[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
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I WOULD CALL THE SESSION TO ORDER FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2022.
NEXT WE'LL DO ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, DEAR COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL, SALVO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, CUSTOMER MCKINSEY, MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND WELL AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE STATES OF AMERICA.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD.
[5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS ]
HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS.I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
THE FIRST ONE, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO SIGN UP FOR THE HAY HUDDLE NEWSLETTER.
THIS CAN BE FOUND AT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN ALSO VIEW ARCHIVES FROM THE HAY HUDDLE NEWSLETTER IT'S PUBLISHED TO EVERY TWO WEEKS ON TUESDAYS.
MY SECOND ONE IS JUST TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMP PLAN PROCESS.
WE HAVE AN ONLINE SURVEY AND A LITTLE BLURB SAYS, HAVE YOU EVER HAD IDEAS ABOUT HOW, HOW DOES SHE DEVELOP LAND AND SET PRIORITIES? DO YOU HAVE A VISION FOR THE CITY'S LONG RANGE FUTURE NOW IS YOUR BEST CHANCE TO PUT YOUR THOUGHTS INTO ACTION THROUGH HADOW SOAR 2040, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.
YOUR INPUT WILL HELP PRESERVE HUDDLES HERITAGE AND VALUES WHILE ALSO IDENTIFYING STRATEGIES TO ENHANCE LOCAL QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND WE DO HAVE THAT SURVEY, UH, THROUGHOUT SOCIAL MEDIA ON FACEBOOK, ALSO ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE, AS PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ALSO HAVE A DOWNTOWN HUDDLE SURVEY.
IT SAYS, IN ADDITION TO THE CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING DEVELOPED, WE ALSO WANT YOUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWN HADOW AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS AND EVOLVES.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR HUDDLE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS TO HELP DETERMINE HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD SHAPE AND SUPPORT DOWNTOWN.
SO THERE IS A SEPARATE SURVEY FOR THE DOWNTOWN PORTION AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.
THE NEXT COMMENT I WANT TO SHARE IS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT JOB OPENINGS WITH THE CITY OF HADOW.
I'D ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, ANYONE TO GO ONLINE AND, AND, UH, I'LL JUST SHARE SOME OF THE POSITIONS WE HAVE OPEN CURRENTLY ANIMAL CONTROL, OFFICER BUILDING, INSPECTOR, CITY, SECRETARY CO COMPLIANCE, OFFICER ENGINEER, FIELD SERVICES, MANAGER, GROUNDSKEEPER IT SECURITY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, POLICE OFFICER, PROJECT ENGINEER, AND A SENIOR MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS.
I ENCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS TO APPLY AND TO JOIN TEAM HUDDLE.
UH, THE FIFTH COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT, UH, THERE'S NOW AN ONLINE FORUM FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO MAKE UTILITY PAYMENTS VIA BANK DRAFT AUTOMATICALLY.
AND THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO PAYING VIA CREDIT CARD WITH THE CREDIT CARD FEE.
AND LASTLY, I WANTED TO GIVE COUNSEL AN UPDATE ON THE CONS COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN, THE STATUS AND TIMELINE THERE, HAVING A FEW DELAYS ON THE CITY SIDE, DUE TO THE PRIORITY OF HIRING SOME KEY LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN LATE SUMMER, UM, AND PROVIDING THE REQUESTED INFORMATION ON JOB DUTIES TO OUR CONSULTANT, THE EMPLOYEE AND SUPERVISOR QUESTIONNAIRES WERE FILLED OUT LATER, UH, IN LATE NOVEMBER AND EARLY DECEMBER.
AND AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK, UM, CURRENT, UM, CITY MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL BE MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND WE WILL BE REQUESTING TO EXPEDITE THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS.
UH, CURRENTLY WE ARE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE A DRAFT OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, EARLY TO MID FEBRUARY, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING MAKING A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL MARCH, HOWEVER, AFTER MEETING WITH THEM NEXT WEEK, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS.
WE KNOW IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL ON TO THE CITY.
UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOSE COMMENTS.
[6. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]
NEXT WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.DO YOU HAVE ANY THERE? UM, I HAVE A QUICK ONE.
THOSE THAT CAME OUT TO THE GLENWOOD HOA, POLAR BEAR PLUNGE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT RAISED SOME DIAPERS, SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAME OUT AND GLENWOOD HOA FOR HOSTING THAT EVENT.
UM, AND ALSO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE GALA WILL BE HELD ON THE 15TH.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT, I BELIEVE TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE.
I THINK THEY MAY BE, THEY'LL PROBABLY TAKE THEM UNTIL TOMORROW.
I THINK THEIR AD SAID THAT THEY WOULD END TODAY.
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YOU GET THEM IN ON FRIDAY, THEY WON'T BE TOO, TOO UPSET.UM, SO THAT THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO, OR HOW TO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I HAD ALREADY DONE A DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME RIDE ALONG, BUT THE ASSISTANT CHIEF AND CHIEF INVITED ME A FEW WEEKS AGO TO COME OUT AND DO ANOTHER RIDE ALONG.
THEY SAID, UM, COME CHECK OUT HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND JUST MEET SOME OF THE NEW GUYS.
AND SO I, I TOOK THEM UP ON IT AND GOT TO GO OUT ACTUALLY ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.
AND, UM, MY GOODNESS, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, ALL OF JUST HOW DIFFERENT IT IS AND HOW IMPRESSIVE IT IS, THE WORK THAT THEY DO WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR EMS IS, UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FIREWORKS ORDINANCE AND IT PROMPTED THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN A BURN BAN.
WHY ARE WE STILL UNDER AN ORDINANCE IN CITY? AND SO, UH, WE, THERE WERE A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A REMINDER OF HOW HARD THE HOLIDAYS ARE FOR A LOT PEOPLE.
AND IT CAN BE REALLY DEPRESSING TIME.
AND THE PRIORITY OF CALLS THAT TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER A FIREWORK IS, YOU KNOW, FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND, UM, THE BIG DRUG BUST THAT HAPPENED HAPPENED ACTUALLY WITH THE OFFICER THAT I WAS RIDING ALONG WITH THAT NIGHT.
AND IT WAS A LITTLE TERRIFYING, BUT AGAIN, I'M REALLY AMAZING AND IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THE COORDINATION BETWEEN OUR OFFICERS AND THE OTHER EMERGENCY SERVICES ENTITIES THAT WE PARTNER WITH ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS OPEN TO ALL THE PUBLIC IN THE CITY OF HADOW AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON HAS GONE AND DONE THEM AS WELL.
AND, UM, I REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO GO OUT AND DO A RIDE ALONG.
THEY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A GREAT WAY FOR US TO FOSTER GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT FACES AND NAMES TO EACH OTHER.
AND SO AGAIN, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT EXPERIENCE AND I'M THANKFUL THAT I WAS INVITED TO ATTEND AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF ITEMS REALLY QUICK.
SO ONE, UM, SO, UH, I SAW A COUNCIL MEMBER VRL SALVOS POSTS, I THINK TODAY OR YESTERDAY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ABOUT IN THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY HEALTH SERVICES DISTRICT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR VACCINATIONS AND THAT, AND, UM, NOTICE THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN HUDDLE IT'S KIND OF ROUND ROCK AND TAYLOR, BUT NOT HOW-TO.
AND SO, UM, I WAS TALKING WITH OUR FORMER BOARD MEMBER, UH, TERRENCE OWENS AND HE, UH, REQUESTED TO GET WITH, UM, MATT AND WITH OUR CURRENT BOARD MEMBER BOB, UM, TO KIND OF DO A DOWNLOAD ON WHAT HE WAS WORKING WITH.
CAUSE A LOT OF WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO IS TO GET MORE THINGS IN HADOW.
AND SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT GOING AND WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES AND HUDDLE FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS OR CITIZENS DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, JUST HAD A QUESTION ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CITY.
AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ISAAC ON THIS.
I WANTED TO LET THIS REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL KNOW AND ASK FOR A POSSIBLE, UM, ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT AND TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, MOVING THE CURRENT GENERATOR, THAT'S HERE AT CITY HALL OVER TO THE PD, ORDERING ANOTHER GENERATOR, A BIGGER ONE THAT CAN HANDLE A BIGGER LOAD HERE.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WINTERIZING OUR PUMPS OUT OF THE WELL FIELD.
AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET AN OFFICIAL UPDATE FROM STAFF SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO COUNCIL ON KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, UM, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MOVE FORWARD, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.
NEXT WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL, LIAISON REPORTS.
ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEETINGS TO THE HOLIDAYS? UH, THERE WAS A P AND Z.
I ATTENDED PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ITEM.
IT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR SENIOR HOUSING IS GOING TO BE COMING.
SO THEY, UH, THEY DISCUSS THAT AND I CAN ADD MORE COLOR TO THAT, WHATEVER ASHLEY CAN'T, WHICH I'M SURE SHE CAN COVER EVERYTHING.
UM, UH, BUT I WAS THERE AND WAS ABLE TO HEAR THAT A FULL PRESENTATION P AND Z.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS A PRETTY UNEVENTFUL MEETING.
OH, AND I DID HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS REALLY FALLS UNDER LIAISON, BUT SO MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND THE PRO TIM MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT AND THE BOARD OF THE SCHOOL BOARD REGULARLY, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET, UH, MAYBE AN UPDATE PERIODICALLY ON THAT KIND OF ON YOUR ANYTHING THAT THE, THE COUNCIL WOULD I LIKE TO KNOW FROM THOSE OR HAVE MET WITH THEM ONCE? OKAY, WELL, LET'S DO THIS.
LET'S HAVE A, ANOTHER DEAL ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS GETTING OUTSIDE OF LIAISON, BUT, UM, YEAH.
[7. PUBLIC COMMENT]
COMMENT, ONE COMMENT, UH, FROM, OR ONE PERSON TO SPEAK ON THAT.[00:10:07]
GOOD EVENING.UM, ASIDE FROM WHAT I CAME HERE TO SAY, UH, THE INVOCATION HAS BEEN MISSED PAST FEW MEETINGS.
SO WITH SEVEN OF YOU, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE SPIRITUAL INSTITUTIONS AND SEE IF THEY COME LATE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO START, YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? OKAY.
UM, MY NAME IS NICOLE CALDERON.
UM, MY APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING NOTES WHILE I SPEAK, BUT I CONTACT AS APPRECIATED AS WELL.
I CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING.
UM, JUST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I PREFER TO WATCH THESE MEETINGS FROM THE COMFORT OF MY HOME ON MY OWN TIME TO BE, UM, TO COME HERE TO SPEAK IS TO EXERCISE MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TO BRING ATTENTION TO WHAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT MATTERS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THAT MUST NOT GO UNSPOKEN ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
THE PEOPLE ARE ABOVE THE OFFICE, ABOVE THE CITY MANAGER.
AND IN MY OPINION, THE SECRETARY SHOULD REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND NOT THE PIO.
IT'S THE DUTY OF THE CITIZENS TO HOLD ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE.
AND YOU AS A GOVERNMENT BODY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS GOOD OR BAD, OR THE PLATFORM THAT SOMEONE CHOOSES COUNCIL SPEAKS OF CENTURY.
YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH DOING THE JOB OR BEING CENSORED BY THE PEOPLE, UM, IN PERSON OR SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED OUT, THEN YOU DO THE JOB WITH INTELLECT AND NOT EMOTION REGARDING MY COMMENTS.
LAST WEEK SPECIFICALLY, WHEN I ASKED PETER OF WHY HE ASKED YOU THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS NOT IN MY NOTES.
WHEN I WALKED UP HERE, I SURPRISED MYSELF TO THAT.
I SAID IT, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T TAKE IT BACK IF I COULD CAUSE I WASN'T WRONG.
AND FRANKLY ONLY IN THAT SEAT ON A TECHNICALITY ANYWAY, WHAT WAS IN MY NOTES THAT I FAILED TO MENTION AND WOULD LIKE TO ADD REGARDING PLACE THREE POTENTIAL ABUSE OF OFFICE IS THAT IN THE PAST, THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET BY THIS BODY THAT WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE MADE INQUIRIES AND HOW THE CHARTER APPLIES TO CIRCUMSTANCE.
LEGAL HAS RESPONDED WITH AN OPINION.
I REQUESTED THE DOCUMENTS AND LEGAL MEMOS AND IT'S NOT IN THERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A LEGAL MENU MEMO, BE RELEASED REGARDING THE MUNICIPAL ASPECT OF THE ALLEGATIONS, OR IF NECESSARY TO INVESTIGATE THE COUNCIL LAUNCH A THREE 16 INVESTIGATION, THE TRANSPARENCY TO THE PEOPLE ON THIS MATTER COMES AT A HIGH EXPENSE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTATION AND IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
IF THE APPROPRIATE AVENUE FOR ANSWERS IS THROUGH THE ETHICS COMMITTEE, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I WILL FILE A FORMAL COMPLAINT.
OTHERWISE I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERS.
MA'AM UM, DOTTIE POINT OF FACT, FOR THAT, SINCE WE CAN TALK ON THAT, UM, THERE WAS A LEGAL MEMO THAT WAS DRAFTED REGARDING THE MUNICIPAL SIDE OF THAT.
UM, CAN WE RELEASE THAT? I HAD ASKED YOU GUYS THAT VIA EMAIL ONCE IT WAS SENT TO US AND I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE ON 1231.
AND IF YOU, IF COUNCIL WOULD, UM, HAS NO OBJECTION TO BASING THAT OFF OF THAT AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY SECRETARY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT TAKES A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE JUST REMIND COUNCIL.
THAT WAS THE EMAIL THAT CAME TO US ON 1231, UM, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THAT.
AND UM, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING RELEASED.
I'VE GOT AN AGENDA ITEM DOWN THAT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT RELEASING THE INFORMATION REGARDING THAT FOR JANUARY 20TH.
IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH RELEASING IT TONIGHT? WELL, IT'S AN ACTIONABLE ITEM.
WE DON'T NEED AN AGENDA ITEM FOR IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT JUST ON THE PERSONAL, LIKE STAYED ON THE AGENDA.
THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ITEMS 8 1 8 2 8 3 4.
UM, I'VE JUST GOT THINGS ON 9, 6, 3 ITEMS ON NINE, SIX.
YOU WANT THEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
AND GO BACK TO THAT ITEM BECAUSE THERE'S ONE OBJECTION, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE OBJECTED TO RELEASING THAT.
MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTING CITY MANAGER.
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MY NAME IS JAMES WEAVER AND I LIVE IN HOTMAIL.I WILL REVISIT THE PRUDENT PERSON RULE.
UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, THIS WAS A LEGAL PRINCIPLE IS USED TO REGULATE CHOICES BEING MADE BY FINANCIAL MANAGERS, SUCH AS Y'ALL IN THE REALM OF FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.
THE PRUDENT PERSON RULE ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT WHEN A PERSON HAS GIVEN DISCRETIONARY CONTROL OVER ANOTHER PERSON'S ASSETS, THEY MUST MAKE INVESTMENTS AND TAKE ACTIONS THAT THAT PERSON OF REASONABLE INTELLIGENCE DISCRETION AND PRUDENCE COULD BE EXPECTED TO MAKE.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH COUNSEL BEFORE, ARE YOU A PRUDENT COUNCILPERSON WITH THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY? WILL THE COMMUNITY ATTEST TO YOUR GOOD CHARACTER? GIVEN OUR CITY'S HISTORY OF FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, HAVE YOU DEMONSTRATED SOUND FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY? WE HERE OWN FINANCES.
CAN THE COMMUNITY BE REASSURED THAT THEY CAN TRUST YOU TO DO RIGHT? AND ALL BUSINESS DEALINGS ON THEIR BEHALF? DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS PRUDENT TO CONSIDER A PROPOSAL AS AN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.6, THE TAXPAYER MONEY BE USED TO SPONSOR A TABLE AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ANNUAL GALA.
THE TAXPAYERS OF HUTTOE ARE HURTING DUE TO THIS ECONOMIC DOWNTURN WITH INCREASING INFLATION RATES, PRODUCT SHORTAGES AND CONTINUING PANDEMIC.
THEY ARE BURDENED WITH THE EVER-INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES PRIMARILY DUE TO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THE HUT DOSE ISD.
THEY ARE EXPECTED TO DO THE WORK OF SEVERAL EMPLOYEES DUE TO SHORTAGES OF WORKERS.
THEY HAVE TO FIGHT OUTRAGEOUS TRAFFIC AND CONSTRUCTION CONGESTION.
ALL OF THIS IS COMPOUNDED BY THE CITY.
HAVING INSUFFICIENT FUNDS TO FULLY PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS ROAD REPAIRS.
DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO SPONSOR TABLES AT A GALA FOR ALL YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE CONSIDERING MAYBE CONSIDERING ATTENDING THIS SCHOLAR? I WOULD SAY NO.
THEN YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT THE CITY TO PAY YOUR WAY EITHER.
MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ACTING CITY MANAGER.
MY NAME IS DANA AND I LIVE AT 100 ADRIANNE.
I READ THE AGENDA FOR 9.6 FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
AND I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON THE LIMB HERE AND POSSIBLY COULD BE WRONG.
BUT AS COUNCILPERSON BILLY RAIL SLAVA FOLLOW WANTING HERETO, TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR HER TO HAVE A NIGHT OUT THE SAME TAXPAYERS THAT ARE HAVING TROUBLE, KEEPING FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES, KEEPING LIGHTS AND WATER ON FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE TAXES.
SO THEY DON'T LOSE THEIR HOMES.
IS THIS WHO MANDY WANTS TO PAY FOR HER FUN? ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL.
LAST NIGHT I HAD A RESIDENT WALKED INTO OUR WEDNESDAY SERMON DISCUSSION.
HE ASKED FOR PRAYERS BECAUSE HIS LANDLORD WAS RAISING HIS RENT BY 20% AND HE IS FACING EVICTION.
HE DID NOT KNOW THAT HIS LANDLORD IS EXPECTING A MAJOR PROPERTY TAX INCREASE.
WE PRAYED WITH HIM THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND HOUSING, FIND HOUSE HE CAN AFFORD EVERY PENNY COUNTS TO KEEP US OUR CITY BUDGET AND TAX BURDEN UNDER CONTROL.
WE HAVE LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY NOT TO OVERSPEND THE BUDGET CUTS THIS LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY PAINFUL.
LET'S NOT START BACK DOWN ON THAT ROAD.
THAT BRINGS US TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE NINE SIX IF AHEAD OF THE CONSENT.
I'LL SECOND OBJECT TO THAT IN A SECONDED.
ALL RIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON HAVING NINE, SIX MOVED UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER DAN THORTON, COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY MAY HAVE HER 10 TANNER ROSE COUNCIL MEMBER, MANDY WILLOWDALE.
I MIRAMAX SNYDER COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON, AS REMEMBER ROBIN SAID I, MY MATHS, RIGHT.
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TO MOVE IT UP TO NOT TO NOT MOVE IT UP.[8. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
SO THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE ITEMS 8 1 8 2 8 3 8 4 8 5 8 6 8 7 8 8 AND EIGHT NINE.
AND I'LL REMIND COUNCIL THAT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY PULL ANY ITEMS THAT WE WANT, OR IF THERE'S GENERAL COMMENTS THAT WE WISH TO MAKE ON ANY OF THE ITEMS AS A GROUP.
UH, WE CAN ALSO ENTERTAIN THOSE, UH, OR EMOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL EIGHT, SIX, ANY OBJECTIONS TO 0.86? NO.
UM, I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT 8.9.
UM, JUST SOME OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT PROCEDURE FOR TAKING CLAIMS WHEN BOARD MEMBERS FOR REMOVAL, I'LL BE COMING BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE COUNCIL PROTOCOL.
SO I SHOW THEM THAT TO GET FORGOTTEN ABOUT, OKAY, I NEED, I ALSO HAD A COMMENT ABOUT EIGHT, NINE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE BODY OF IT, BUT THE, THE, UH, THE SUMMARY PAGE DOESN'T MATCH THE BODY.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO JUST REMOVE IT CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
IT'S THE CONTENTS PAGE DOES DOESN'T MATCH ALL THE CHANGES WE MADE.
WE COULD, WE COULD, WE CAN DO THAT.
OR WE CAN, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK FOR STAFF TO, UH, FORMAT IT, JUST FORMAT CORRECTLY ALSO.
SO, SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO APPROVE WITH THE UPDATE THAT WE JUST MAKE THE CONTENTS PAGE MATCH.
IS THAT A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WITHOUT AMENDMENT TIGHTENING? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON APPROVING ITEMS 8 1 8 2 8 3 8 4 8 5 8 7 8 8 AND EIGHT NINE WITH AN AMENDMENT OF ON EIGHT NINE FOR STAFF TO CORRECT ANY FORMATTING ERRORS.
SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER, VILLAREAL, SALVO, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, HEARING NONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MANDELA DOWN CELL PHONE THAT'S WHENEVER DAN THORTON COUNCIL MEMBER OF BOARDING.
I PRETEND SANTA ROSE COUNCIL MEMBER ROBYN SUTTON BY COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY, MAYOR MIKE SNYDER BY MOTION PASSES, SEVEN ZERO.
[8.6 Consideration and possible action on approval of the 2022 Holiday Calendar. (Irene Talioaga) ]
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT, SIX CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVAL OF THE 2022 HOLIDAY CALENDAR.SO MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS IS SINCE JUNETEENTH WAS RECENTLY LISTED AS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
UM, THE HOLIDAYS ARE CURRENTLY LISTED IN THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK OR A PERSONNEL POLICY SO EVER EVERY YEAR.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THOSE HOLIDAYS.
UM, JUNETEENTH WAS ADDED IN THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE ADDED TO BE A COUNCIL DECISION.
WE DID A POLL NEAR NEIGHBORING CITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING ABOUT JUNETEENTH ROUND ROCK, UH, DID APPROVE IT TO BE OBSERVED JUNE 20TH.
UH, CEDAR PARK IT'S ON THEIR AGENDA TO BE APPROVED IN JANUARY.
TAYLOR DID APPROVE IT AND GEORGETOWN HAS NOT YET APPROVED IT.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S IF IT'S ON THEIR AGENDA, UM, IRENE WOULD BE THE ONE PRESENTING THIS ITEM SHE'S UNABLE TO BE HERE.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO IT IS ON THAT PARTICULAR HOLIDAY COUNCIL COME TO DECIDE THIS EVENING OR LATER IF THEY WANT TO ADD JUNETEENTH TO THE LIST OF CITY APPROVED HOLIDAYS OR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OR JUST LEAVE IT AS IS THEY CAN DO IT TONIGHT OR DO IT IN A, IN A, ANOTHER MEETING AS WELL.
SO YEAH, FOR ME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO ADD THAT TO OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
SO CAN WE, DO I MAKE A MOTION DOTTIE FOR THAT NOW? YEAH.
YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE EIGHT, SIX WITH THE AMENDMENT OF ADDING JUNETEENTH AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO PICK WHAT DAY YOU WENT TO CELEBRATE THAT.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO, UH, YOU COULD EITHER HAVE IT ON THE DAY.
I MEAN, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST LIKELY WHOEVER, IF IT'S ON A HOLIDAY, JUST DO IT AS WE DO OTHER HOLIDAYS THAT LAND ON A WEEKEND, THE FRIDAY BEFORE, MONDAY AFTER, DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY IT IS, IT'S A WEDNESDAY.
BUT IT WON'T ALWAYS BE ONE THING.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE HOLIDAY CALENDAR WITH THE AMENDMENT TO ADD JUNETEENTH AS A CITY RECOGNIZED HOLIDAY FOR, UM, JUNE 19TH AND THE SURROUNDING DATES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOTTIE, WHAT THE WORDING WOULD BE
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FOR THAT, BECAUSE IF IT FALLS ON A SUNDAY, SO THAT'S FINE.SO IT'D BE A MONDAY EFFECTIVE, UM, JUNE 20TH, 2022 SECOND.
AND SO WITH THAT, THE REASON I LIKE THE MONDAY IS WHEN I, SO I WROTE THIS DOWN TO SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP AS WELL.
UM, FEDERAL HOLIDAYS THAT FALL ON A WEEKEND, UM, THE KIND OF RULE OF THUMB IS IT, IS IT GOES TO THE NEXT CLOSEST WEEKDAY.
AND SO I ASSUME, BECAUSE IT WAS A SUNDAY, MONDAY WOULD BE THE DATE, BUT, UM, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST NOT DO IT AS A REGULAR DEAL, BUT I'D ALMOST LIKE TO AMEND THIS, TO SAY THAT GOING FORWARD, THAT IT WILL NOW BE CELEBRATED THAT WAY.
SO THAT EACH YEAR WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP AND AMEND IT FOR THAT.
AND SINCE WE'RE DOING THE PERSONNEL POLICY UPDATE, WE CAN ALSO UPDATE THAT AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON.
SECOND BY MAYOR SNYDER APPROVING EIGHT, SIX IS PRESENTED WITH THE AMENDMENT OF ADDING JUNETEENTH AS A RECOGNIZED, UM, HOLIDAY TO FOLLOW FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT WORKS RIGHT.
ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ALL.
COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON, COUNCIL MEMBER MANDELA, DANCEHALL SNYDER, AND SOME MEMBER PETER GORDON MAYOR PRO TEM TANNER ROSE COUNCIL MEMBER DAN THORN PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
[9.1 Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, Area Government appointments, Advisory Committees and City of Hutto’s representative on the Central Texas Clean Air Coalition (CAC). ]
NEXT.THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NINE, ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS, AND TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL AIDAN'S AREA, GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS, ADVISORY COMMITTEES, AND CITY OF HUDDLES REPRESENTATIVE ON THE CENTRAL TEXAS CLEAN AIR COALITION.
YOU WANT TO GO? YOU WANT ME TO GO? I'D RATHER YOU GO.
I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A BETTER LIST OF IT.
YEAH, I GOT THE RIDE, BUT I'VE GOT THE LIST HERE.
UH, SO, UH, YEAH, THE NEW, UH, NOMINATING COMMITTEE MET FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, MYSELF AND MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE, UM, HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH FOUR DIFFERENT CANDIDATES.
UH, WE INVOLVED THE CHAIRS OF ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEY PARTICIPATED AND IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD MEETING.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE SEVERAL NOMINATIONS THAT WE'D LIKE TO POST TO THE FULL COUNCIL TONIGHT.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO NOMINATE EDDIE RISTRETTO TO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, ROBIN BELL, TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, GINA CHIN TO THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION AND MARCUS COLEMAN TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD AND TO THE EMERGENCY PREPARATION TASK FORCE.
I DIDN'T GET ALL THOSE WRITTEN DOWN ALL THE WAY.
UM, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING FOR, WE'VE GOT EDDIE.
HOW DO YOU SAY HIS LAST NAME? UM, IT'S SPELLED R E S T R E P O.
AND HE WAS TO WHICH BOARD PARKS PARKS ROBYN BOARD WAS TO WHICH BOARD ROBIN BELL BELL WAY OFF ON THAT WAS LIBRARY LIBRARY, GINA CHIN TO THE DIVERSION.
I MARCUS COLEMAN TO LIBRARY, LIBRARY AND EMERGENCY PREP AND EMERGENCY PREP.
SECOND, A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCILOR THORTON.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT.
COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBYN SUTTON.
I MAY HAVE PRETEND TANTAROS AS A MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY, I, AS A MEMBER OF MANDY MAYOR MIKE SNYDER, COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORTON, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
[9.2 Presentation on the review and update to the City's personnel policy. (Irene Talioaga) ]
HAVE ITEM NINE, TWO PRESENTATION ON THE REVIEW AND UPDATE TO THE CITY'S PERSONNEL POLICY COUNSEL.ALSO BE HANDLING THIS ONE WITH IRENE'S, UH, ABSENCE.
UM, WE DO KNOW THERE IS A NEED TO UPDATE THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, THE PERSONNEL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
THE LAST, UM, ONE I BELIEVE WAS 2016 OR 15.
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UH, WE DO HAVE A TEAM THAT HAS STARTED TO REVIEW THIS.SO THE PLAN IS THAT ALL STAFF ARE AWARE THAT WE'LL BE MAKING CHANGES AND REVISIONS TO THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, AND THERE'LL BE, UM, THEY'RE INVITED TO BRING ANY CHANGES THEY WOULD THINK WOULD HELP THEM IMPROVE THEIR WORK, ESPECIALLY DIRECTORS, THE PRIMARY TEAM THAT THAT'S REVIEWING THE POLICIES AS THE HR DIRECTOR, UH, MYSELF, UH, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND OUR ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
UH, WE ARE REVIEWING OTHER CITIES, EMPLOYEE POLICIES, BEST PRACTICES, UPDATES BASED ON CHANGES IN STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
UH, AFTER OUR REVISIONS, WE'LL HAVE DEFINITELY HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THEIR TEAM REVIEW IT FOR LEGALITIES AND THEN OUR CITY MANAGER REVIEW IT AND BRING IT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
THERE WAS KIND OF A TIMETABLE OR A TIMELINE, UM, BASED ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS IN THE, AND THE GOALS OR TARGET DEADLINES TO GET THOSE COMPLETED AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, THE SECTIONS REGARDING EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, TRAINING AND LEAVE ADMINISTRATION AT THE END OF APRIL, UH, THE SECTIONS REGARDING EMPLOYMENT, WAGE AND SALARY, PAYROLL AND COMPENSATION, THE END OF JUNE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AND SAFETY AND HEALTH, UH, SECTIONS AND THE END OF AUGUST STANDARDS OF CONDUCT, EMPLOYEE COMMUNICATIONS, EMPLOYEE DISCIPLINE, TRANSFERS, AND SEPARATIONS.
UM, I DO KNOW THERE IS THE, UH, COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ON PERSONNEL POLICIES, POLICIES AS WELL.
AND WE CAN GIVE THOSE TO THEM.
UH, AT THOSE TIMES WHEN THOSE SECTIONS ARE THROUGH, UM, THERE, THERE COULD BE KIND OF TWO TRAINS OF THOUGHTS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED.
IT COULD BE PASSED IN CHUNKS AT THOSE TIMES, OR WE COULD WAIT TILL THE VERY END AND HAVE IT ALL APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME WITH SOME, UH, NOTICE TO THE EMPLOYEES.
UH, I WOULD SUGGEST 30 DAYS OUT THAT THESE WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE AS THEY'RE PASSED EITHER IN CHUNKS OR THE ENTIRE HANDBOOK.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROCESS OR TIMELINE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? SO IT'S JUST A PREFERENCE.
I'D PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE IT IN CHUNKS.
I THINK THAT WAY EVERYONE, YOUR GUYS'S MIND WILL BE FRESH AS TO WHY THAT THOUGHT PROCESS WAS HOW YOU GOT TO THAT ANSWER.
AND AS WELL AS FOR US TO DIGEST KIND OF THOSE SMALLER BLOCKS AND INCREMENTS, THAT'D BE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE IS TO DO PASSING IT IN THE CHUNKS.
UM, AND, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, DID HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD INPUT FROM WHEN WE MET.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO KIND OF DO A CHUNK AND THEN GIVE TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, OR IF YOU JUST KIND OF WANT TO SEE OUR NOTES IN GENERAL, UM, WHAT WOULD BE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? UM, I WELCOME ANY INPUT FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY THE SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL.
I THINK BEFOREHAND WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL THAN AFTER WE'RE PINKING REVISIONS.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A FINISHED PRODUCT, THEN WE SAY, WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THESE 30 THINGS THAT WE FOUND IN OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THEN JUST PUT ALL OF IT ON TOP OF YOU AT ONCE.
AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEND WHATEVER THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK ARE AS SOON AS YOU WANT.
SO NOW YOU KIND OF KNOW THE TIMELINE, THE ONES WHO WE'RE TARGETING AND WHAT AREA.
SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU GUYS AS WELL, TIME TO SEND INFORMATION TO US.
SO MAD I SAY THIS AT ALL RESPECT.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE STARTED ON THIS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A YEAR LONG PROCESS TO REVIEW THE PERSONNEL POLICY.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW GET THIS KNOCKED OUT IN A WEEKEND, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY TO SPEED IT UP? BECAUSE IF THERE WAS A NEED TO CHANGE, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S LIKE ON PAGE THREE, THE MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND GIVE BENEFITS OR ANYTHING TO ANY CITY EMPLOYEE THAT THE MAYOR FEELS LIKE THEY CAN JUST HAVE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT RIGHT IS EVEN POSSIBLE ILLEGAL, BUT THERE'S JUST A LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT EMMY GO THROUGH THERE.
I WASN'T THINKING, READING IT, THAT THERE WAS A MAJOR, I'M NOT AN HR PERSON, BUT THERE'S NOT A MAJOR REWRITE.
BUT WHEN I DO SEE SEPTEMBER, I DO KIND OF GO LIKE, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY GOVERNMENT SLOW AND I'M LIKE, MAN, SEPTEMBER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY, CAUSE THERE MAY BE.
MY, MY FEAR IS, IS THAT W LIKE WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE COMPENSATION PLAN, WE TRIED PASSING A BUDGET AND WE WERE BEING ADVISED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
THEN LET'S NOT GIVE ANY RAISES NECESSARILY TO SAY IT.
YES, WE THINK THEY'RE UNDER PAID.
BUT WAIT UNTIL THE COMPENSATION PLAN, POTENTIALLY WE MAY GO TO YOUR PERSONNEL POLICY AND FIND OUT THESE ARE THERE'S BUDGETARY, UH, TYPE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FIX.
AND SO THEN WE'D BE PASSING A BUDGET AND MY MIND WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE IMPLICATIONS THAT MAY BE COMING.
SO MAYBE IF THERE'S A WAY TO KIND OF HAVE IT WRAPPED UP BY JUNE OR JULY TO WHERE THEN ANY BENEFITS OR THINGS LIKE THAT,
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WE CAN, UM, INCORPORATE INTO OUR BUDGET.AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT AMENDING IT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO GET THROUGH AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
AND I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT HAD IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND THERE'S NO REASON WHY, UH, A FEW POLICIES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
COULDN'T BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL EARLIER THAN ON THE TIMELINE.
UM, MARY YOU'RE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH MYSELF AND I'M PLACE THREE.
WHAT KIND OF DEADLINE SHOULD WE SET FOR OURSELVES TO GIVE THOSE OVER TO STAFF FOR US TO MEET AND MAKE WE CAN HAMMER THROUGH.
SO STAFF WILL HAVE WHAT WE SEE AS MOST IMPORTANT, LIKE THOSE BIG ISSUES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LET'S SAY WE MEET, UH, HERE ONCE, ONCE THIS MONTH AND ONCE NEXT MONTH AND HAVEN'T WRAPPED UP, WE JUST GET IT DONE THAT WAY.
WE, THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SEE AS AN ISSUE.
AND THEN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH AND SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST PICKING UP ON STUFF THAT EITHER COUNCIL HAS RESPONSIBILITIES IN THAT ROUTE, REALLY IN MY, IN OUR OPINION, I GUESS WE SHOULDN'T BE IN.
AND THEN THE MAYOR HAS RESPONSIBILITIES THAT REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF SCARY KNOWING WHAT, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS I PICKED UP ON, BUT I, I WOULD SAY I CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU GUYS.
WE COULD FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I THINK THE SOONER WE GET IT DONE, THE BETTER FOR STAFF, I JUST WANT TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO A TIMELINE, BUT ARE ALSO OURSELVES.
I'D WANT TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE ELECTION, BECAUSE IT COULD, EVERYTHING WE SAY COULD COMPLETELY CHANGE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE NINE TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY? ALL RIGHT.
[9.3 Consideration and possible action on potential agreements regarding various subdivision drainage ditches. (Councilmember Villarreal Salvo) ]
ITEM NINE, THREE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON POTENTIAL AGREEMENTS REGARDING VARIOUS SUBDIVISION DRAINAGE, DITCHES COUNCIL MEMBER, VILLAREAL, SALVO.UH, SO THIS IS JUST, UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, OR A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE POPPED UP THAT WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE INFORMATION ON, ON JOURNEYS DITCHES THAT WE AS A CITY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINING.
SO I'D ASKED OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM TO KIND OF DO A INVESTIGATION RESEARCH TO, SO WE HAVE IT ON OUR RADAR AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES AND COST ASSOCIATED.
AND SO I BELIEVE WADE HAS INFORMATION FOR US KIND OF EARLY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT EVEN EIGHT O'CLOCK.
I KNOW WE'RE ON A, ON A GOOD PATH, A GOOD MORNING, GOOD EVENING.
UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT, UM, MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, UM, PARCELS THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING.
SO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND, AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO CATALOG THOSE PARCELS.
UM, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE GRAPHIC IS UP ON THE SCREEN IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF WHERE THOSE PARCELS LANDED AS WE, AS WE KIND OF MAP THESE OUT.
UM, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAS ANY PARCEL THAT EITHER WAS OWNED BY THE CITY, OR THERE WAS A RESPONSIBILITY, UH, IDENTIFIED DURING THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, EITHER A PLAT NOTE, UH, PLANT NOTES OR ANY KIND OF OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT AT IDENTIFIED THE CITY AS HAVING MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THERE WAS A TOTAL OF ABOUT A NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT TOTALED UP ABOUT 120 ACRES.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, THOSE ARE KIND OF CONGREGATED IN CERTAIN AREAS.
UM, AND SO IF I CAN GO TO THE SLIDE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS WITHIN TOWN, THE SPECIFIC SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THOSE PARCELS WERE LOCATED.
UM, AND SO YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, THERE ARE 11 SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN TOWN HAVE HAD ONE OR MORE PARCELS WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION THAT REQUIRED MAINTENANCE BY THE CITY.
WHEN WE TRIED TO CATALOG THESE, UH, IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, PONDS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE PRIMARILY DETENTION.
PONDS COULD ALSO INCLUDE SOME NATURAL AREAS ALONG CREEKS, UM, WET PONDS, PONDS THAT HOLD WATER.
A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S NOT ALL AREAS THAT ARE MOWED ALL THE TIME.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT IS AREAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THAT TOTAL, UH, IT'S ABOUT 120 ACRES ROUGHLY, UM, YOU KNOW, A GOOD BIT OF THAT IS POND AREA.
UH, NOT ALL OF THAT AREA IS REQUIRED TO BE MOWED, BUT, BUT A GOOD PORTION IS.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THE, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ARE PRIMARILY KIND OF DRIVE A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, THE CREEK BAND CREEK SIDE OF STATES ENCLAVE AT BRUSHY CREEK AND THE PARK AT BRUSHY CREEK, UH, THOSE FOUR SUBDIVISIONS, PRIMARILY THE, THOSE NUMBERS, THAT'S ABOUT HALF OF THAT TOTAL.
AND MOST OF THOSE ARE LARGE, UM, EITHER CREEK, UM, FORTUNES OR DETENTION AREAS, UH, THAT HAVE SOME PARK AMENITIES AS WELL.
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OF THAT AREA IS FULLY MAINTAINED, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS AND WHERE THEY WERE, UM, THE OTHER CATEGORY ON THEIR DITCHES.UH, THE BULK OF THOSE ARE IN THE LEGENDS OF HOW TO, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ACREAGE THAT'S LISTED.
UM, THOSE ARE VARIOUS PARCELS.
SOME OF THEM ARE A UTILITY SITES.
SOME OF THEM ARE LIFT STATION SITES, SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.
UM, SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEGENDS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, ORIGINALLY THOSE, THE, THE DRAINAGE DITCHES IN THE DETENTION PONDS AND THE SUBDIVISION, UM, WERE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY TOOK OWNER OWNERSHIP OF THAT, UM, BACK EARLIER LAST YEAR.
UM, AND IN OCTOBER, UM, THE CITY CREWS, UM, WENT OUT AND DID THE FIRST KIND OF ROUND OF MAINTENANCE, MOWING WEED, EATING, UM, ALL THE DITCHES AND PONDS, UH, IN THAT AREA, BASICALLY ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AND A HALF WORK WITH WORK, UH, FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE CREWS.
UM, THOSE AREAS, A LOT OF THE DITCHES ARE, UM, AND, UH, DIFFICULT TO REACH AREAS.
UM, THERE, UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE, HAVE SOME EROSION, UH, IN THOSE AREAS.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, UM, HAD STARTED WORK WAS THE HERRERA LANE DITCH, WHICH IS THE PORTION FROM HERRERA LANE TO THE DETENTION POND.
UM, THAT WORK, UM, HAS BEEN PAUSED.
AND, UM, THE DESIGN IS IN PROCESS TO, UH, HAVE A MORE, UM, ARMORED CHANNEL THERE AND PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS AND WORK WITH THE HOMEOWNER THERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE FENCES AND THE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA.
AND SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, GOALS MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE, UM, CATALOG THAT WE HAVE OF MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY IS, IS DEVELOPING GOALS FOR MAINTAINING THOSE AREAS.
AND SO, UH, WORKING WITH OUR MAINTENANCE CREWS, YOU KNOW, OR LOOKING TO DO IS, UH, MAINTAIN THE DITCHES, UH, DURING THE HIGH GROWING SEASON, TYPICALLY DURING THE SUMMER AND SPRING, UM, EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON ACTUAL CONDITIONS.
IF WE HAVE A DRY SPELL, IF WE HAVE A LOT OF RAIN AND THEN THE, UH, DETENTION POND AREAS, AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, UM, THE MISCELLANEOUS FACILITIES, WE ALREADY, UH, MAINTAIN THOSE BIWEEKLY, UM, AT A MINIMUM, THAT'S AN INSPECTION AND THEN ADDRESS THE ISSUES AS THEY ARE.
SO, UM, OUR STAFF HAS HAD MINE AND STAFF ARE LOOKING AT, UM, WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF EXISTING STAFF, EXISTING CONTRACTS WE HAVE FOR MOWING AND MAINTENANCE AND TRY AND IDENTIFY WHERE WE HAVE GAPS AND, AND COME BACK WITH A PLAN TO IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE, TO MEET THE GOALS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? WHAT DETERMINES IF A POND IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD WATER OR NOT? UM, IT WOULD BE BASED UPON THE DESIGN THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR, WHAT IF ONE WAS SUPPOSED TO HOLD WATER AND IT, NOW ISN'T HOLDING WATER ANYMORE ON ROUNDS AND GOT THAT, LIKE THE ONE BEHIND MY HOUSE.
AND I DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT HOLDS WATER, BUT THERE'S LIKE PLUMBING FOR IT, I GUESS BEFORE I MOVED IN THERE, IT HASN'T HELD WATER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT I GUESS, LIKE I CAN WALK THROUGH THERE WHEN IT DRIES OUT.
AND THERE'S THE OLD, LIKE PVC PIPE AND THE PUMP FOR THE, FOR, I GUESS, A FOUNTAIN OR WHATEVER.
BUT I KNOW LIKE AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES, I KNOW AREN'T PROBABLY DESIGNED TO HOLD WATER.
THEY'RE PURELY JUST DRAINAGE PONDS THAT JUST COLLECT IT ALL AND THEN RUN OUT TO WHEREVER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO RUN OUT, WHICH LIKE THE ONE BEHIND MY HOUSE, THERE'S ONLY A VERY SMALL LEVEL AND IT RUNS DOWN TO ANOTHER ONE THAT THEN RUNS INTO LIKE THE BRUSHY CREEK, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME LIKE, WHY DOESN'T IT HOLD WATER ANYMORE? PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN THERE A LOT LONGER THAN I HAVE, CAUSE IT USED TO.
AND I'M LIKE, I, I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER IT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T OR WHY OR WHY IT DOESN'T.
SO, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC ONE AND WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
I MEAN, IT MAY, IT MAY BE JUST FRANKLY, A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
TYPICALLY IF, IF UPON WAS, IT WAS INTENDED TO HOLD WATER AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED TO YOU THAT LINER OR SOME OTHER, THE OUTFALL OR SOME STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT ALLOWING IT TO FUNCTION AS DESIGNED.
THIS WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS EVEN SUPPOSED TO.
AND I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DETENTION POND.
UM, DANA LIVELY IS PROBABLY A GOOD PERSON POINT PERSON.
THAT IS A LOT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SHE'S, UM, KIND OF THE RIVERWALK HOA PERSON, UM, OUR BOARD MEMBER.
AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF OUR HOA MEETINGS WE'VE GONE ROUND ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REGULAR POND OR DETENTION POND.
THERE'S NEVER ANY WATER IN IT.
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AND WHEN THE SUBDIVISION WAS FIRST BEING BUILT, I MEAN, THAT WAS A MAJOR ATTRACTION.YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG BEAUTIFUL POND AND THEN NOW IT'S COMPLETELY.
AND IT'S COMPLETELY BONE DRY AND IT HAS BEEN EVER SINCE.
SO I KNOW WE'VE GONE ROUNDS ABOUT IT.
SO I KNOW THEY IN THE LIVELINESS, A LOT OF THE HISTORY BEHIND THAT SHE MIGHT BE A GOOD POINT PERSON FOR YOU.
I DID WANT TO ADD THAT I'D ASKED STAFF, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE OR UPCOMING SUBDIVISIONS WHERE WE WOULD BE NEEDING TO TAKE CARE OF DRAINAGE IN THE FUTURE? AND THEY SAID, NO, AT THIS TIME THERE ARE ANY OTHER ONES COMING UP IN THE FUTURE, SAY IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS, THE CITY WOULD NEED TO TAKE OVER.
SO WE DID FIND THAT OUT AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN.
W DO YOU KNOW D ARE YOU ALL ANTICIPATING AND COMING BACK WITH A, LIKE A BUDGETARY AND MOWING PLAN PRIOR TO THE START OF SPRING, UM, TOUR WHERE EVERYBODY'S PREPARED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I GUESS, LIKE MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH GRASS AND STUFF THAT IS THE INTENT YEAH.
ASSIST TO HAVE A PLAN MOVING FORWARD AS WE GET INTO THE GROWING SEASON.
AND THEN, I GUESS THEN YOU'LL LOOK, YOU GUYS WILL LOOK TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO BE HIRING SOMEONE TO MOW IT, WHETHER IT'S INTERNALLY OR EXTERNALLY.
AND THEN THIS IS PROBABLY A LEGAL QUESTION, BUT, UM, I KNOW, LIKE IN, IN LEGENDS OF HUDDLE, ONE OF THE REASONS I VOTED TO TAKE THOSE DITCHES ON IS BECAUSE WATER THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THEN GOES THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT COMES OUT ON THE OTHER END TO A HADOW A DETENTION POND.
AND SO TO ME, IT SEEMED LIKE SOME OF THE WEAR AND TEAR EROSION IS MAYBE NOT THOSE NEIGHBORS ALL THE WAY, BUT THAT LEADS ME TO IF, PROBABLY CAN'T SEE ON THIS PICTURE.
BUT IF YOU GO TO, I THINK THE ONE THAT'S AFTER THIS, OR BEFORE THIS, UM, THAT'S GOT THE COLOR CODED OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU CAN SEE THERE.
SO YEAH, AT THE BOTTOM PART OF SAY, EMORY FARMS, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THERE'S A EIGHT ACRE, 8.6 ACRE DETENTION POND.
I THINK IT'S LIKE A DRY POND, BUT THERE'S DETENTION CHANNELS THAT RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE ALL TAKEN WATER FROM THE NORTH END OF, OF THE CITY OR THE TJ.
AND SO THEN I, MY QUESTION LEGALLY IS, IS IF OVER THE NEXT 30 OR 40 YEARS, IF ALL THIS WATER IS NOT NECESSARILY GENERATED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEN LIKE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IT'S COLLECTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THEN IT RUNS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO A CITY OWNED FACILITY ON THE OTHER SIDE, AT SOME POINT, WILL THE CITY BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEAR AND TEAR ON THOSE DITCHES? OR, AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, AND I'M LOOKING AT, LIKE FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOT TO MAYBE FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN NEIGHBORHOODS TO WHERE EVERYBODY CONTROLS THEIR OWN WATER.
BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE ALSO, I THINK ON HOW TO PARK IS THAT YOU HAVE, SOMEHOW WE DESIGNED THIS TO WHERE WE'RE RUNNING DRAINAGE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, BUT THEN I THINK WE ENDED UP STICKING IT ON THE HOA TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH I THINK GETS US INTO A PICKLE TO WHERE THEY CAN'T AFFORD, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN WORK THAT'S MAYBE BEING CAUSED BY, YOU KNOW, 20,000 HOMES ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE DEVELOPED A CITY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PLAN FOR THIS IS.
AND MAYBE LEGALLY, YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK AND TELL US THAT WE NEED TO START PREP IN HOA, IS THAT YOU'RE ON THE HOOK OR WE AS A CITY NEED TO START PREPPING FOR, WE'RE GOING TO BE ON A HOOK.
YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT, LET ME TAKE A STAB.
AND THEN YOU'LL CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, TYPICALLY SPEAKING THE ANSWERS OF MAINTAINING THOSE COMMON AREAS OR DRAINAGE, DITCHES OR STREETS, AND THAT SORT OF THING IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AT THIS POINT IS WE MAY WANT TO TALK WITH COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, HOW DRAINAGE AREAS ARE HANDLED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
TYPICALLY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF WHEN THEY MAKE A DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE, UH, DESIGNED, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE WATER THAT COMES IN AND, AND AS WELL AS THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF DRAINS THAT COMES FROM THE ROOFTOPS.
UH, AND I SAY, THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO SPEND THE TIME TO DO THAT BECAUSE SETTING A PRECEDENT OF, AND YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THIS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA TAKE IT TO THE EXTREME SETTING.
THE PRECEDENT OF THE CITY HANDLING DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PERHAPS STAFF CAN TALK WITH THE COUNCIL ABOUT HOW, UH, UH, DRAIN THESE STRUCTURES ARE, UH, PLANNED FOR.
AND, UH, UM, HOW THE FLOW OF DRAINAGE IS, IS GOING TO BE HANDLED AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HANDLED THROUGH THE CITY.
NO, I THINK THAT THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN QUESTIONING SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IS IT SEEMS LIKE AS A CITY
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WE'RE OPERATING UNDER A DIFFERENT DRAINAGE CRITERIA THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.IT SAYS, OUR CODE SAYS, WE'RE FOLLOWING ROUND ROCK ATLAS 14.
BUT EVERY TIME, LIKE IN MY DAY JOB, WE DEVELOP IN ROUND ROCK.
WE PUT IN MASSIVE DETENTION FACILITIES, BUT EVERY TIME SOMEONE DEVELOPS IN HADOW, THEY SHEET FLOW IT TO THE NEARBY CREEK.
AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WHO NEVER FLOODING ISSUES IN THEIR HOMES ARE NOW HAVING FLOODING ISSUES.
AND WE JUST SAY, WELL, IT'S RAINING MORE.
AND PART OF ME IS WONDERING, IS IT RAIN MORE MAYBE? OR IS IT ALSO MORE IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S BEING APPLIED ELSEWHERE? AND SO I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, OLYMPIC SIZE, DETENTION, PONDS EVERYWHERE, BUT ALL OF OUR AUSTIN GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK, THEY'RE BUILDING THEM.
AND THEN YOU SEE US AND YOU GO DOWN 6 85 AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANY OF THE TENSION PONDS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE.
THEY JUST SEEM TO FLOW RIGHT INTO THE CREEK.
UM, AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S A COST PROHIBITIVE.
IT'S JUST, IS IT COST-PROHIBITIVE, IS IT A CITY ISSUE I GUESS, OR IS IT A INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD COST-PROHIBITIVE ISSUE? AND WE, AS A GROUP PROBABLY OUGHT TO START THINKING IN TERMS OF ISSUES NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
AND SO YEAH, ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE, I THINK IS, UM, YEAH, I THINK IF WE TAKE IT AT KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT LEVEL AND TALK ABOUT, UH, PURPOSES AND POLICIES AND, AND, UH, WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND THE PURPOSES FOR THAT, THEN THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE SOME POLICY DECISIONS.
SO THE LAST ONE, THE LAST QUESTION I GOT IS SO ON THIS, UH, DESIGN PROCESS FOR THE, I FORGOT WHAT THE DITCH IS, THE ONE THAT WE STARTED IN SEPTEMBER OR CARERRA.
SO I KNOW IT'S LIKE AN INPATIENT THING, BUT SINCE WE, WE TORE IT ALL UP IN SEPTEMBER AND WE MET WARREN HAD US MEET OUT THERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT OCTOBER, DO WE NEED TO PICK A DIFFERENT DESIGN FIRM OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF GET THAT GOING? BECAUSE I'VE NEVER DESIGNED ONE, AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M AN ENGINEER, BUT WE THINK AFTER FOUR MONTHS SOMEONE COULD, I MEAN, SOMEONE COULD GET THAT THING DESIGNED AND WE COULD GET CONCRETE GOING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OVERWORKED OR, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO'S DOING IT, BUT, UM, OR IT MIGHT JUST BE AN, YOU CAN JUST SAY YOU'VE BEEN INPATIENT.
SAY THAT TO NO, I W WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A FIRM NOW THAT IN DOING THAT WORK, UM, THEY ARE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM OR TASK ORDER WITH THEM.
UM, AND THAT WORK, UM, WILL BEGIN IN EARNEST.
I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING SOME PRELIMINARY WORK SURVEY SHOULD BEGIN VERY SOON AND THE DESIGN SHOULD BE, UM, TURNED OUT SOON, PADMA.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, AND I JUST, UH, I JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO ADD THAT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE HOMEOWNER THERE AND KATHLEEN WHO WAS, UH, UH, WHO'S BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING FOR US TO START WORK, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DID, WE DID DO SOME, I GUESS, DIGGING AND TRY TO, UH, START WORKING SEPTEMBER.
BUT, UM, I STARTED IN NOVEMBER, I CAME IN AND STARTED TO LOOK AT THINGS, BUT WE DO HAVE A FARM, LIKE WADE SAID NOW, AND I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH KATHLEEN TRYING TO KEEP HER POSTED ON, ON, UH, ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN STATUS, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THE SURVEYOR OUT THERE SHORTLY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO.
AND THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW, UM, IT USUALLY TAKES ABOUT TWO, TWO TO THREE MONTHS AFTER THE SURVEY'S DONE, BUT SHE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS.
SO ONCE WE GET THE SURVEY DONE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME UP WITH COST ESTIMATES TO SEE, UH, HOW MUCH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BUDGETED, AND IF THAT'S GOING TO FALL IN OUR BUDGET OR NOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, BUT I THINK THIS KIND OF GOES TO SOMETHING THAT, AND THIS IS NOT ON PADMA OR, OR WADE, UM, BY ANY MEASURE, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE DEALS WHERE WE STARTED.
WE DUG THE WHOLE DITCH UP IN SEPTEMBER, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DESIGN WORK DONE BY MAYBE APRIL.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL MOVE INTO SOME SORT OF BIDDING, WHICH WILL TAKE FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
AND SO IF WE'RE LUCKY THAT IT LITERALLY A YEAR, AND WE ACTUALLY APPROVED A DESIGN AND MONEY FOR THIS OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND SO, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THEM, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU'LL SEE SOME CITIZENS GETTING VERY FRUSTRATED TO WHERE THEY WANT TO SEE US.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ON YOU EITHER, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, BUT, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE I KNOW IT TAKES TIME, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO SPEED IT UP, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TALKING, SOMETHING DUG UP FOR A YEAR, UM, PEOPLE STARTING TO LOSE FAITH IN AND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IS YOU GUYS ARE NEW.
AND SO THEY'RE REALLY LOSING FAITH IN THE OLD PEOPLE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO SHOULDER THE BURDEN, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT, UM, YEAH.
AND THANK YOU ALSO FOR, FOR REGULARLY, UM, UH, KEEPING IN CONTACT WITH THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE.
OH, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SPEED IT UP.
UH, I SPOKE TO HER A COUPLE OF TIMES AND, UH, SHE COMMUNICATE,
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OH, YES, SURE.I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HER THROUGH TEXT MESSAGES, AS WELL AS ON THE PHONE CALL, TRYING TO KEEP HER POSTED.
UM, UH, I, I DO TELL HER THANKS FOR THE PATIENTS, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UH, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT OPTIONS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, GOING TOO QUICK, WE MAY MISS SOMETHING, BUT, UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK IT'S THAT FINE LINE WHERE WE, UH, WE SPEED IT UP, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS AND, AND DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY THE FIRST TIME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? THANKS GUYS FOR TAKING THAT ON.
[9.4 Consideration and possible action regarding the Certificate of Occupancy/Temporary Certificate of Occupancy process with a focus on the Hutto ISD facilities but not limited to only those for discussion. (MPT Rose) ]
WE HAVE ITEM NINE FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THIS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY PROCESS WITH A FOCUS ON THE HUDDLE, ISE FACILITIES, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ONLY THOSE FOR DISCUSSION MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE.SO I THINK THE ONLY THING I WANTED HERE WAS JUST REGARDING LIKE AN ORDINANCE UPDATE AROUND ADDING IN THE POSSIBLE PUNISHMENTS THAT MIMICKED WHAT AUSTIN DID, BUT MAYBE I WAS SUPPOSED TO SEND THAT OUT.
AND I DIDN'T, SO MAYBE THAT'S ON ME.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE, I DIDN'T SEE THE ORDINANCE UPDATE PIECE.
AND THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY PIECE THAT I NEEDED.
I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, BUT SO I GUESS WE CAN JUST TABLE THIS UNTIL I CAN GET THAT IN THERE AND GET THE, LIKE AN ORDINANCE UPDATE OR MODIFICATION.
THAT WAS REALLY ALL I HAD LEFT.
HOW I REMEMBER THIS ENDING WAS THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION.
I THINK, UM, CHRISTIAN SAID THAT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SYSTEM WOULD APPLY TO LIKE A $500 A DAY.
BUT I THINK THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS TRYING TO GET A DISCUSSION ON, DO WE OPERATE MORE LIKE, UM, HOW WAS AUSTIN, RIGHT? WHERE WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY IN REVOKING OF, YEAH, YOU COULD LOSE LIKE PUR YOU COULD LOSE LIKE INSPECTION PRIVILEGES FOR LIKE 45 OR 90 DAYS IF YOU WERE LIKE A REPEAT OFFENDER, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE OF A PUNISHMENT THAN THE MONEY, BUT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ON ME TO SEND THAT.
SO MAYBE I MAYBE NEED TO SEND THAT TO CHRISTIAN IN COUNCIL.
AND IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT US, NOT AS A NECESSARILY, HOW DO I S D MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT GOT THE CONVERSATION GOING, BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOT LIMITED TO ONLY THOSE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING IN GENERAL, IF ANYBODY OPENS UP A BUSINESS AND VIOLATES, LIKE, CHANGING THE WHOLE ORDINANCE FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
OR COVERED SATISFACTION AREA, I GUESS, WHATEVER AREA THE CITY AND ASHLEY'S TEAM COVERS, IT WOULD COVER THAT, THAT WHOLE AREA.
SO, AND IF WE CAN TRY TO HAVE THAT ON THE FIRST ONE IN FEBRUARY, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE IT THERE.
I'LL FIND THE WORDING AND ORDINANCE ORDINANCE ON, UH, ON CEO, UH, VIOLATIONS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON NINE FOUR? ALL RIGHT.
THEN ITEM NINE, FIVE CONSIDERATION
[9.5 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-004 approving the First Amendment to the Chapter 380 Economic Development Agreement between the City of Hutto and CB TIBP Investments, LLC ]
AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 4.APPROVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CHAPTER THREE 80 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUDDLE AND CB T I B P INVESTMENTS, LLC.
YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT THAT STANDS FOR CRACKER BARREL.
SO LOOKING AT IT, I ASSUME THEY WERE FINE WITH THE DOUBLE PAYMENT YEAR ONE, AND THEN JUST THE 45% EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT, I'M ASSUMING THEY WERE GOOD WITH THOSE TERMS. THEY'D BEEN CONTACTED, BUT THEY, THEY HAVEN'T CONFIRMED WHETHER THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT OR NOT.
SO HEARD OTHERWISE WE TABLING, IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM YET, THEN I GUESS IT'S REALLY ON THEM TO RESPOND BACK FIRST.
I WOULD POSTPONE UNTIL WE GET CONFIRMATION.
WELL, LET'S JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO US THAT WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THIS AGREEMENT, LET'S SAY, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS FOR A TEN-YEAR DEAL TO GET 45% OF THE AD VALOREM TAXES THAT BRIGHT, CALM, PAID REIMBURSED, BUT DUE TO, UH, I GUESS TELL ME IF I'M WRONG AND DUE TO THE WAY THAT THE COUNTY ASSESSES PROPERTY, WHEN THEY DO IT.
AND WHEN TAX BILLS GO OUT, YEAR ONE, THERE WAS NO ASSESSMENT FOR TAXES.
AND SO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, SAY, X AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS SHORTENED BY A YEAR.
AND I THINK COUNCIL'S KIND OF THOUGHT WAS INSTEAD OF EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUES RISE IN THE 10TH YEAR BEING SO MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAT WE WOULD JUST DO A DOUBLE PAYMENT 90% ON THE FIRST YEAR THAT THEY
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ACTUALLY HAD AN ASSESSMENT AND THEN GO BACK TO 45, THE REST SO THAT EVERYTHING STAYS THE WAY IT WAS.UM, WHAT WOULD BE AN UNINTENDED, UH, DEAL? IS THAT SAFE? ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, SO THEY DON'T LOSE A YEAR BASICALLY.
WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MORE MONEY FOR THE CITIZENS.
IT'S JUST A, I THINK THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY THAT WAS AN 11 YEAR DEAL AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TEN-YEAR DEAL TOO.
SO THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL TABLE IT INDEFINITELY AND JUST HAVE STAFF BRING IT BACK WHEN WE'VE, I GUESS, GOT AN ANSWER.
[9.6 Discussion and possible action to consider a Chamber of Commerce Annual Gala table sponsorship. (Council Member Villareal Salvo) ]
OKAY.THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NINE, SIX DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CONSIDER A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, ANNUAL GALA TABLE SPONSORSHIP.
NICOLE, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE OR AFTER OUR DISCUSSION? OKAY.
DON'T LET ME FORGET BECAUSE I'M LIABLE TO FORGET CAUSE REMEMBER SILVA.
SO, UM, THIS PAST WEEK TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD INDICATED INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THIS ON THE DIET.
SO THAT'S WHY THE REQUEST CAME IN.
I ALREADY HAVE A TICKET I'M GOING, BUT, UM, THIS IS TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE DAYAS WITH EVERYBODY, SINCE THERE WERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND IT, WE ONLY GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE CHAMBER ABOUT TWO DAYS AGO REGARDING OUR MEMBERSHIP LEVEL WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS INFORMATION GOT ADDED TO THE PACKET AT THE, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO.
UM, CAUSE I KNOW THAT THEIR QUESTION WAS, DO WE GET IT TICKETS OR IS THERE A TABLE WITH OUR MEMBERSHIP THAT WE PAID FOR? UM, AND SO THE INFORMATION IS HERE IN THE PACKET LISTED OUT AND UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S ON HERE FOR DISCUSSION THAT'S IT? DOES ANYBODY WANT TO DISCUSS, LET ME GO FIRST.
THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS A MEMBERSHIP OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE, UM, MISSION TO PROMOTE BUSINESSES.
UM, THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT A BIG BUSINESS, UM, AND HOW DOE OUR CHAMBER BASICALLY SAID, HOLD MY BEER.
AND SOME OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP FORMED A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE AND THOSE MEMBERS HAVE SUEDE CITY ELECTIONS, ISD ELECTIONS, AND BOND ELECTIONS, BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND TO SPEAK IN THE ELEPHANT OF THE ROOM, TIM JORDAN, BEING THEIR DIRECTOR AFTER HIS SHADY PAST AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, A FORMER EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EDC, I'M A PRINCIPLE PERSON IN THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THAT IT GOING TO THAT IS IN THE GALA IS IN VERY POOR TASTE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DEFINITELY PROMOTES POLITICAL CAREERS.
SO I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.
IMAGINE THIS YOU'RE IN A BAD RELATIONSHIP, YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUT OF IT.
AND THIS RELATIONSHIP WAS, UM, INCLUDED VERBAL ABUSE, EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION, PHYSICAL IMPROPRIETIES, AND AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, HEALING AND GROWING STRONGER, YOUR EX CHOOSES TO HOST A PARTY AND INVITES YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU BRING A BIG GIFT THAT YOU PARTIALLY PAID FOR.
UM, WOULD YOU GO, OR WOULD YOU DECLINE ON THE MATTER OF PRINCIPLE AND IN MY OPINION, ANYBODY THAT GOES TO THAT IS A GARBAGE HUMAN.
THAT IS ALL THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CAN FIND YOUR COMMENTS TO THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, UM, OF WHAT THE MONEY IS BEING PAID FOR.
WHEN YOU EXPEND TAXPAYER MONEY, IT HAS TO BE FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
YOU CAN'T, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ANY KIND OF, UM, OUTSIDE INFLUENCES OR SPEAK TO ANY KIND OF OUTSIDE INFLUENCE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CONFINE YOUR COMMENTS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO USE PUBLIC TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THIS CHAMBER EVENT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ARE WE GOING TO GO AROUND OR JUST SPEAK? WHOEVER WANTS IT GORDON.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IF WE WERE DOING THE USUAL PROCESS OR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, UH, PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, HOSTING A TABLE AT THE EVENT
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OF THE CITY HAS DONE IT IN THE PAST.WE DIDN'T DO IT LAST YEAR, BUT WE'VE DONE IT IN YEARS BEFORE.
THIS IS KIND OF A STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR CITIES TO, TO HOST TABLES AT CHAMBER EVENTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
HE'S BEEN A CITY MANAGER IN OTHER PLACES.
THIS IS AN UNCOMMON THING FOR CITIES TO HAVE TABLES THAT CHAMBER OF ANSWER IS THIS KIND OF COMMON UNCOMMON, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
IT IS NOT AN UNUSUAL, UH, FOR THE CITY TO SPONSOR TABLES OR REIMBURSE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE SEATS.
THEY, THE THOUGHT BEING THAT THE CHAMBER PROVIDES SERVICES FOR THE GOOD OF THE CITY, THE, UH, VISIBILITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, IS, UH, A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY.
UH, SOMETIMES EVEN STAFF HAVE GONE SIMPLY TO MAKE SURE THEY MAKE CONTACT WITH BUSINESS LEADERS AND PEOPLE KNOW WHO THE STAFF MEMBERS ARE, THE POLICE CHIEF.
AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE, WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE CHIEF, BUT THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL, BUT THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'VE ALREADY PURCHASED MY TICKETS.
I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, UM, SO THAT I CAN GET A FREE SEAT AT A TABLE I'M ALREADY GOING SEPARATE FROM THIS.
UM, BUT I, I DO FEEL THAT IT DOES SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE ARE, UM, UH, HEALING, THIS RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'VE GOT BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY, UH, THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE CHAMBER AND SUPPORT OF OUR BUILDING, OUR RELATIONSHIP.
I THINK IN MY OPINION, UM, HOSTING A TABLE, SENDS A MESSAGE TO OUR BUSINESS LEADERS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE KIND OF HAVE THEIR BACK AS WELL.
UM, SO I THINK IT DOES SEND A MESSAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, $1,500 IN OUR MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BREAK THE BANK ON THAT.
I THINK THE, THE TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE BENEFITS THAT WE GET FROM IT ARE WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
UM, SO I, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY SEE SOME BENEFIT OF ALLOWING CITY STAFF, UH, TO GO AND TO PARTICIPATE AND TO GET TO KNOW, UM, COMMUNITY LEADERS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW CITY STAFFS.
IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
SO PERSONALLY I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
I, I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'D BE BENEFICIAL.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE NINE, SIX INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN WE GO BACK FOR THOSE ITEMS. OBJECTION.
I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HEAR AT LEAST AROUND ROBIN OF EVERYONE'S GENERAL OPINIONS.
AND THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT MOTION IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE ONLY BECAUSE WE GOT AN EMAIL IT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THINGS.
UM, THE EMAIL FROM COUNSEL THAT WE RECEIVED, THAT WE SHOULD POSSIBLY ENGAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION IN THE BACK FIRST, I WOULD, I WOULD STEP IN THAT, RIGHT.
IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CAN BE, YEAH, SO, I MEAN, I GUESS I JUST I'M AWARE OF THE EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT AT ALL WITH WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PUBLIC, UM, PREVIOUS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THEY HAD THIS SAME TOPIC THAT THEY DISCUSSED IN THE EDC MAYOR.
SNYDER'S A MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
HE WAS PRESENT AND PARTICIPATED IN THAT DISCUSSION AND VOTED ON THAT, UM, THAT PROPOSAL WITH THE EDC.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I MEAN, IF EVERYONE WANTS TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT, JUST TO CLARIFY, I GUESS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT, THE EMAIL RECEIVED, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS, UM, AT ALL RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD BE BRINGING UP ANY OF THOSE TOPICS TO THIS.
SO, I MEAN, AND AS I CAUTION COUNSEL, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE IN SPENDING THE TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
THAT'S YOUR SHOULD BE YOUR LEGAL FOCUS.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM WITH THE REST OF EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE BACK? I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND JOEL, YOUR SECOND, SECOND.
COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY MAY A PERSON TANNER TANTAROS COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORTON, COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON, MAYOR MIKE SNYDER, COUNCIL MEMBER, MANDY COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THE LEGAL, THE LEGAL PREDICAMENT.
PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PUT THIS CITY IN.
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DO THAT, YOU GOT THE EMAIL FROM COUNSEL AND YOU DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING IN IT.TO ME IS PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE CITY AND ON THE COUNCIL.
BUT, UH, FOR THE RECORD I DID, I DIDN'T SAY THAT I DISAGREED WITH ANYTHING IN THE MEMO AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING ON THAT MEMO, BUT AT THE TIME.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM NINE, SIX? ARE WE NOT DOING ROUND TABLE? OUR COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON? I THOUGHT IT WAS THEN I THINK IT'S.
WHO DO YOU WANT ME TO PICK NAMES CONSTANTLY? UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOME OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CHOOSE A DIFFERENT DOOR AS LEADERS.
WE NEED TO START HEALING THAT RELATIONSHIP, MENDING, THAT RELATIONSHIP.
UM, THE CHAMBER IS NOT JUST ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
WE HAVE OVER 300 BUSINESSES THAT ARE A PART OF THE CHAMBER.
UM, EVERYONE HERE LIKES TO SAY SHOP SMALL, EVERYONE HERE LIKES TO SAY, BUSINESSES NEED TO COME TO HOW TO EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
BUT WHEN A SEEMINGLY POSITIVE INTERACTION CAN TAKE PLACE BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL OTHER BUSINESSES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE JUST SO MANY NEW PEOPLE COMING TO HUDDLE EVERY DAY THAT AREN'T TAINTED BY THOSE THINGS.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY TWO FACED TO SAY SHOPS SMALL AND SUPPORT BUSINESSES, BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE DON'T SUPPORT THE CHAMBER.
THAT'S THERE TO SUPPORT THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.
UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY, UM, TAKE ON THAT.
UM, SO AGAIN, I, I REALLY THINK THIS CONVERSATION REALLY JUST NEEDS TO BE ABOUT THE CHAMBER AS A WHOLE, UM, AND US SUPPORTING THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S WHO THEY LOOK TO WHENEVER THEY'RE COMING TO HUDDLE, HOW DO THEY NAVIGATE THE CITY? HOW DO THEY NAVIGATE THOSE THINGS? SO US SUPPORTING THAT I THINK IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CHOOSE THE DOOR OF, OF POSITIVITY AND HEALING PERSONALLY.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT GETTING MYSELF IN SOME SORT OF PREDICAMENT, BUT SO IT WAS THE LINE I'VE LIVED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
SO, UM, I CAN'T SAY A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT, BUT I'LL JUST SAY, UM, IN MY OPINION, IF THEY WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO EXTEND POSITIVITY AND ALL THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY COULDN'T JUST DONATE A TABLE.
UM, THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY COULDN'T GIVE A TABLE IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS ALREADY GETTING PAID AND HAS TICKETS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY WANT TO EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH, WHY THEY WOULDN'T JUST DONATE A TABLE TO US, I'VE SAID THEY'RE A 5 0 1, 3 C.
THEY SHOULD'VE COME DURING OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING.
IF THEY WANTED FUNDING FOR THAT, I DON'T SEE A BENEFIT TO PAYING FOR THIS.
I HAVE YET TO FIND A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER AS A BUSINESS THAT CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT, WHAT BENEFITS THEY REALLY GET, UNLESS YOU SIT AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN.
AND SO IN MY MIND, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY COULD JUST DONATE A TABLE FOR US OR FOR THE CITY THAT PEOPLE COULD GO TO.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THIS.
IF WE RAFFLED OFF THE TICKETS AND PAIRS, OR DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WENT AND IT WASN'T FOR US, BUT IF IT'S FREE TO THE MEMBERS OF US TO GO, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE MEAN TOWARDS EXECUTIVE STAFF, BUT EXECUTIVE STAFF AT THE CITY MAKES MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY $125 TICKET, UM, KNOWING THEIR, KNOWING THEIR PAY SCALES THAT THEY CAN AFFORD A TICKET ON THEIR OWN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD, SHOULD FUND THAT AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT BEFORE I GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE.
SO I WANT TO SAY UPFRONT, THE REASON I STUCK INTO, UM, THE MAYORS, UM, YOU KNOW, DESIRE TO TAKE IT INTO THE BACK, UM, BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AND THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US.
UM, BUT THEN HEARING DOTTIE SAY, RIGHT NOW THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO FOCUS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD EXPEND THE MONEY, UM, TO, UH, HOST A TABLE.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL AND I UNDERSTAND THE PAST HISTORY AND I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE SAID IS THAT AT SOME POINT WE CAN'T KEEP, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, PICKING THE SAME WOUND AND, UM, LOOK MAKING THE CITY OF HADOW.
AND I, AND I KINDA THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY IN EVERY STATEMENT I MAKE, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT HADOW? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT HADOW TO SAY WE'RE PISSED OFF, EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE ABOUT THIS SITUATION THAT HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO IN THIS CURRENT SITUATION.
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WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE OUR TOYS AND GO HOME BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE A REPUTATION WE NEED TO HEAL, AND I'M NOT SAYING WHAT HAPPENED WAS RIGHT.I'M NOT SAYING WHAT HAPPENED WAS WRONG.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROTON RHODES, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S STUFF WE PROBABLY STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOUSAND DOLLARS ON JUST A SIMPLE REQUEST FOR EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES WITHIN COUNCIL AND STAFF COUNCIL.
YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UM, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WITH, UM, MY CONCERN FOR THE REPUTATION OF HOW-TO IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND IN THE STATE AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOOKING AT HADOW TO COME HERE AND GROW US, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THIS, UM, ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHAMBER IS, IS JUVENILE.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND, UM, HOST A TABLE AND START MENDING THAT RELATIONSHIP POINT OF INQUIRY.
SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, WHAT IS THE REPUTATION OF HADOW AT THE STATE COUNTY AND BUSINESS LEVELS? SINCE YOU MENTIONED WHAT THE REPUTATION IS, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND IF PEOPLE LOOK AT US AND WANTING TO COME HERE, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A JOB, LET'S SAY, AS A CITY MANAGER, AND YOU LOOK AT OUR COUNCIL POINT OF ORDER, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE CHAMBER'S RELATIONSHIP OR OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, NOT WHAT THE CITY MANAGER I'M ASKING PERTAINING TO THIS ITEM, WHAT THE REPUTATION IS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT QUALITY TALENT.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO COME TO THE CITY? I CAN S I'M ASKING ABOUT THE CITY'S REPUTATION TO THE STATE, THE COUNTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU JUST MENTIONED, NOT ABOUT BRINGING TALENT, OTHER STUFF I'M ASKING WHAT YOU'VE HEARD THAT THE REPUTATION IS SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, RIGHT? ONE OF THE ORDER, THE ONE OF ORDER, THE W THE REPUTATION, THE CITY IS NOT THE AGENDA ITEM.
THE AGENDA ITEM IS SPONSORING A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ANNUAL GALA TABLE.
AND SO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY CUSTOMER SAT IN REGARDING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON? SO I THINK RELATIONSHIPS ARE TWO-WAY DEALS, NOT ONE WAY WE HAVE RENEWED OUR MEMBERSHIP.
SO WE ARE STILL A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO KEEP SENDING THE CHAMBER MONEY TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THE CHAMBER.
W WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO? WHAT, WHY IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP PONYING UP MORE MONEY, MORE TAXPAYER MONEY TO THE CHAMBER? THE EDC WILL BE THERE.
UM, I ASSUME THAT THEY HAVE INVITED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO'S THERE.
AND SO THE PERSON IN THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEALING WITH BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN WILL BE THERE.
I JUST DON'T SEE THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF SPENDING MONEY ON A TABLE AT THIS POINT.
AND I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO DISCUSS THE LEGAL COUNSEL.
BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THERE WAS A POINT BROUGHT UP ABOUT WHY WAS THAT OKAY WITH EDC WHILE THE EDC IS NOT INVOLVED IN THAT LAWSUIT.
AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT WE WOULD.
KELSEY MEMBER, VILLAREAL, SALVO.
UM, I'M ALL ABOUT RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING.
UM, BUT I'M NOT FOR, UM, SPENDING THE TAXPAYER MONEY ON THIS SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A MEMBERSHIP.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST DO THE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THAT MEMBERSHIP LEVEL.
SO, UM, I'M GLAD THAT OUR EDC IS GOING, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR MONEY TO OPERATE WITH AS A, LIKE IT'S SEPARATE FROM US.
UM, SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON IT.
SO WHAT I GOT FROM THIS CITY ATTORNEY WAS IT NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND SO I HAVEN'T HEARD WHAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSES AND CUSTOMER RECITE, AND YOU BROUGHT UP MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND SO RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSONALLY THAT'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
IF IT WAS BUILDING PARK BENCHES, FIXING DRAINAGE, DITCHES ENGINEERING, I SEE PUBLIC PURPOSE WITH THOSE TAX DOLLARS.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON A LITTLE BIT THAT WE DID A MEMBERSHIP.
THERE WAS NO DEBATE ABOUT THAT.
UM, THAT LOTS OF BUSINESSES ARE DOING THAT, UH, TO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON'S POINT.
THE EDC ACTUALLY HAS MONEY, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE STATUTORY RE UH, UH, ALLOWANCE, BUT A CERTAIN PART OF THEIR BUDGET IS ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR BASICALLY ADVERTISING, SPONSORING THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN EDC BECAUSE THEY OPERATE ON A DIFFERENT SET OF LAWS AND RULES.
WHEREAS THE CITY, YOU GOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
UM, I GET THE REPUTATION TO HEAL.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT.
UM, BUT SO I'M GOING TO READ SOMETHING, UH, THAT THE ATTORNEY SAID
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IS THAT, SO WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE EDC, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NAMED WITNESSES, THE JONES VS.CITY OF HADOW LAWSUIT PENDING IN THE FEDERAL COURT, MR. JONES, IN THIS LAWSUIT, AND WITH THE SUPPORT FROM TESTIMONY OF MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER HAS CHARACTERIZED STATEMENTS AND ACTIONS BY THE HUDDLE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING MADE WITH THE INTENT TO INTIMIDATE AND THREATEN WITNESSES IN THE FEDERAL COURT PROCEEDING.
IN ORDER TO INFLUENCE THOSE WITNESSES AGAINST TESTIFYING ON MARCH 9TH, 2021, MARK LANE, THE UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE PRESIDING OVER THE CASE ISSUED AN ORDER INVOLVING ALLEGATIONS OF WITNESS TAMPERING STATING HE DOES NOT TAKE THE ALLEGATIONS OF WITNESS INTIMIDATION LIGHTLY.
AND HE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED BOTH SIDES TO MEET AND CONFER REGARDING THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE NAME PARTIES AND THE UNDERLYING WITNESSES, SUCH ATTEMPTS TO CONFER HAVE NOT RESOLVED THE DISPUTE, WHICH REMAINS AT CURRENT ALLEGATION IN THE LAWSUIT UPON ADVICE OF OUR LEAGUE LITIGATION COUNSEL, I'M GOING TO REALLY PUSH THAT.
WE POSTPONE ANY MATTER INVOLVING THIS UNTIL AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH DELIBERATE AND SEEK THE ADVICE OF ITS LITIGATION COUNSEL, TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT FURTHER ACCUSED OF ATTEMPTING TO INFLUENCE WITNESSES IN A FEDERAL COURT PROCEEDINGS FROM TESTIFYING.
THAT WAS MY REASON FOR ASKING FOR IT TO GO TO EXECUTIVE, BECAUSE WHEN I HAVE LITIGATION COUNSEL OR CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS GOING AND DOING SOMETHING, SOMETIMES I, I DISAGREE.
BUT THEN OTHER TIMES WHEN WE'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUITS, THAT I, I TAKE THEIR ADVICE.
SO, SO POINT OF ORDER, UM, WHAT YOU JUST READ, YOU LEFT OUT A KEY PORTION OF THAT.
AND YOU SAID THIS IMPLYING THAT THE EMAIL IS IN REGARDS TO THIS ACTION.
I E THAT THE EMAIL IS IN REGARDS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO HOST A TABLE.
I'M AFRAID THAT I'M AFRAID THAT MEMBER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL NOT TAKEN.
YOU CAN DO A POINT OF INQUIRY, AND I CAN MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT I'LL APPEAL YOUR DECISION SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO SPEAK.
SO DO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING AGAIN? WE'VE DONE THIS WRONG BEFORE.
SO YOU'D LIKE TO, IT'S NOT SUPER MAJORITY IS NOT SUPER MAJORITY AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES HIS DECISION TO STOP ME FROM SPEAKING STAND? AND I VOTE MEANS THAT I HAVE TO STOP SPEAKING AND I CAN'T SPEAK ANYMORE.
IN THIS A NAVY VOTE MEANS THAT WE OVERRULE HIS DECISION.
I CAN CONTINUE TO SPEAK JUST TO LET EVERYONE'S AWARE OF HOW WE'RE VOTING ON THIS AND ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND ABLE TO DISCUSS CORRECT.
I'M GOING TO VOTE BECAUSE HE OFFERED YOU ANOTHER PATH TO GET THE ANSWER THAT YOU WANT IT, YOU CAN VOTE.
I'M MAKING A COMMENT, UM, BEFORE WE VOTE.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO GO THE WAY YOU WOULD GO HIDE IT YOU'D VOTE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER, ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORNTON, COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY MAY HAVE HER 10, 10 ROWS BY COUNCIL MEMBER.
MANDIBULA DANCEHALL MAYOR MIRAMAX SNYDER.
PETER GORDON TELLS REMEMBER, ROBINSON PROMOTION FILES FOR THREE OR THREE, FOUR.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT ONE KEY WORD THAT YOU USED WHEN YOU WERE READING THAT EMAIL, WHERE YOU SAID INVOLVING THIS, AND THAT GIVES THE IMPRESSION TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL SAYING WE CAN'T DISCUSS THIS ITEM IN PUBLIC, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE EMAIL SAID MORE RESPOND.
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK FREELY ON THIS ITEM DUE TO THIS.
AND SO THERE ARE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE'S DISCUSSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DUE TO LEGAL COUNSEL.
I AM UNABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY I FEEL THE WAY I FEEL.
AND SO THAT IS WHY I READ EXACTLY WHAT THE, I WOULD SAY.
WOULD YOU NOT AGREE, LIKE ALMOST VERBATIM WHAT WAS SENT TO US? AND SO I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ALMOST.
I TOOK OUT A NAME AND PUT MEMBERS, UM, AND SO WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS ON SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T SPEAK FREELY DUE TO, DUE TO, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS BY OUR LITIGATION COUNSEL.
AND SO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU ARE EITHER THE POINT OF INQUIRY.
DID YOU DISCUSS FREELY WHEN EDC DECIDED? NO, BECAUSE AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID, UM, THIS IS A DIFFERENT MATTER AS CUSTOMER THORNTON SAID,
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THE ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE EDC.THE ISSUE IS WITH THE CITY AND IT WITH THE CITY OR WITH THE INDIVIDUALS, IT IS WITH THE CITY I'VE BEEN CRE.
UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS MORE OF A PERSONAL ISSUE.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF LEGAL COUNSEL, MAYOR COUNCIL, IT IS NOT A PERSONAL ISSUE.
THERE WAS A CAUTIONARY EMAIL SENT BY YOUR LITIGATION COUNSEL, NOT TO DISCUSS THIS TONIGHT.
I HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU ONLY LIMIT YOUR DISCUSSION TO, DO YOU WANT TO SPEND THE TAXPAYER MONEY ON BUYING THE TABLE? YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING BECAUSE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE ISSUE OF SPENDING MONEY ON A TABLE.
THAT'S WHY JUST THE ISSUE OF WHY WE GOT THE EMAIL TO, WITH, TO BRING IN ALL THE INDIVIDUAL.
THE EMAIL WAS CAUTIONARY NOT TO BE MENTIONING ANY OF THIS STUFF.
SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL BE ADULTS AND DISCUSS WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE A TABLE AT THE CHAMBER AND NOT DISCUSS INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED WITH THE CHAMBER INDIVIDUAL IS INVOLVED ON THE COUNCIL.
SO I THINK JUST AS A WHOLE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
LET ME ASK THE QUESTION YOU THINK WITH THIS LAWSUIT AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, YOU THINK I COULD GO TO THE GALA AND IT NOT CAUSE ISSUES.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, NOT A PROPER QUESTION FOR YOU TO BE ASKING.
SO I HAVE COSTS AND YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SAID THIS LIMIT YOUR DISCUSSION TO WHAT IS THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON A TABLE AT THIS EVENT.
LET'S GO BACK AROUND AND THAT START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AND JUST GIVE WHAT YOU THINK IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND THEN WE'LL SAY WHAT WE ALL THINK IT IS.
AND THAT WAY WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE IS THAT FAIR? CAN I JUST CALL IT A VOTE? THERE'S NO MOTION.
IT'S A MOTION TO DENY THE AGENDA ITEM SECOND.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MOTION TO DENY THE, YEAH.
LIKE DENY THE BUDGET TONIGHT AT THE TABLE.
SO DENY THE SPONSORSHIP OF THE TAPE.
WHO MADE THE MOTION? I DIDN'T HEAR THE MOST SHARE APPROACH IN ROWS.
WHICH PROBABLY GETS ME IN TROUBLE, BUT IT IS THAT'S SECOND.
AND BY MAYOR SNYDER AND ALL STARCH, I DON'T SEE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO BASED ON CITY ATTORNEYS, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
AND SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
HI, THAT IS YOU ARE DENYING THE TYPE OF SPONSORSHIP.
SO WHEN I VOTE MEANS YOU DENY IS TO DENY THE SPONSORSHIP.
SO IF YOU VOTE, AYE, YOU'RE DENYING THE SPONSORSHIP.
COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORN, COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY MAYER PER TIM TANTAROS COUNCIL MEMBER.
COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON, COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON, NO MOTION PASSES.
[10.1 Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-001 for the proposed Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning request for the property known as NorthStar Hutto Planned Unit Development (PUD), 11.74 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Exchange Boulevard. The land use proposal is active adult 55+ multi-family use. (Ashley Lumpkin) ]
WE HAVE ITEM 10, ONE CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER OH DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 1 FOR THEIR PROPOSED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD ZONING REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS NORTHSTAR HADOW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD 11.7, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD.THE LAND USE PROPOSALS, ACTIVE ADULT 55.
PLUS MULTI-FAMILY USE, AS YOU STATED, THIS IS A REZONING IT'S GOING FROM MULTI-FAMILY TO MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, WITH A PUD IT'S JUST OVER 11 ACRES.
IT'S GOING TO BE FOR LARGE CLASS A BUILDINGS, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THREE STORIES.
EACH THIS SITE IS HEAVILY CONSTRAINED WITH EASEMENTS FOR DRAINAGE.
YOU'VE GOT 50 ON THE WEST, 40 ON THE SOUTH AND 30 ON THE EAST.
SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR A FEW MINOR MODIFICATIONS.
UH, THE MAIN DEVIATIONS ARE GOING TO BE THE BUILDING LENGTH INSTEAD OF 200 IS GOING TO BE 260.
THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ELEVATORS AND TO BE ABLE TO PLACE THOSE WITHIN BUILDINGS AND UTILIZE THOSE EASILY.
THEY'LL NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA LENGTH WITHIN THAT BUILDING.
UM, THE MINIMUM BUILDING ROOF PITCH WILL BE FOUR 12 INSTEAD OF SIX 12.
YOU'LL SEE, IN A SUBSEQUENT SLIDE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, IT ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROOF PITCHES, OR WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENCY IN THAT.
UM, THEY WILL ALLOW FOR 30% MASONRY AS YOU KNOW, STATE LAWS CHANGED.
THIS IS A GOOD ONE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET 30% MASONRY AND THEN THE VEHICLE USE AREAS
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OR PARKING LOTS.UM, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SCREENED BY AN EIGHT FOOT DEEP LANDSCAPE AREA OR SIX FOOT STAINED OR THE SCREEN FENCE.
SO THEY HAVE ADDED THE SCREEN OPTION.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IT'S SOUTH OF THE FUTURE LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
SO REALLY JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POST OFFICE.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE LOOK OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST ONE LONG BUILDING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN DIFFERENT SHAPES TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE ONE ELEVATOR.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE AGAIN, UM, JUST THE LOOK OF THAT WITH THE DIFFERENT ROOF PITCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE FELT THAT THIS WAS APPROPRIATE WITHIN THAT PUD PROPOSAL.
HERE'S ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT BUILDING.
UH, ONE OF THE REQUESTS IS TO MODIFY THE LANDSCAPING.
WE UNDERSTAND AS A STAFF, THAT MULTIFAMILY HAS A LOT OF LANDSCAPING REQUIRED.
UM, YOU'LL SEE, IN THE PROPOSAL FROM P AND Z TO ACTUALLY MODIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I'LL GET INTO THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, SO WE ONLY GOT ONE COMMENT BACK AFTER 600 FEET AND IT WAS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, IT MEETS THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOR ANY PUD.
AND THE MAIN REQUEST IS THAT WE WANTED TO ALLOW FOR THAT INCREASED DENSITY TO 234 UNITS ON SITE AND THAT INSTEAD OF THE TREES BEING REDUCED AND BY NUMBER, UM, TO ALLOW THAT AS THREE INCHES PER 500 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF THEY COULD GET A BIGGER TREE, THEY CAN DO THAT AND WORK BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T PUT THE TREES WITHIN THOSE DRAINAGES MINUTES.
WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT WITH THAT, UM, STAFF IN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:31 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS REZONING REQUEST? SEE NOLAN, WE'LL CLOSE IT AT 8:31 PM.
I BELIEVE MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE IS NEXT.
I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION IN, MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE DO THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DICTATE BUILDING MATERIALS OR OUTLOOK.
BUT IF THEY GO FROM A PUD, CAN WE THEN ADD SOME STUFF IN, BECAUSE IT'S A PUD THEN CAN WE ADD SOME REQUIREMENTS IN AND DOTTIE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE STATE LAW ACTUALLY, UH, NOLDE OR VOIDED ANY ORDINANCE.
SO WE JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING A BETTER LOOKING BUILDING, BUT IT'S, IT'S VOLUNTARY ON THEIR PART.
AND WE THINK THE MCKINLEY FOR THAT, WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT.
ROOFING IS ROOFING CONSIDERED PART OF THAT.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO LIKE, CAUSE IT, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS AS LIKE WE'RE HAVING ALL THESE ROOF ISSUES.
CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WIND AND HADOW, IS THERE A WAY TO START REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PUT LIKE ARCHITECTURAL STUFF ON AS OPPOSED TO LIKE BASIC THREE TAB? ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO IT AS PART OF THIS OR NO, I DON'T RUN NECESSARILY SAYING IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS ONE, BUT FOR LIKE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND STUFF REQUIRING LIKE ARCHITECTURAL WORK, AS OPPOSED TO LIKE BASIC THREE TAB, I THINK WE CAN, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT IN ONE OF THE ICC CODES, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO REQUIRE IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE STATE LAW READS.
AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THE IBC BECAUSE MULTI-FAMILY IS UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, NOT THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.
I DON'T THINK, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT HERE, BUT COULD YOU CHECK THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE HAVING ISSUES WITH STUFF, NOT BEING PUT ON.
AND SO I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO GET, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO START REQUIRING PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
LIKE IF THEY WANT PIDS OR OTHER THINGS TO START REQUIRING IT AS PART OF THAT, TO, TO UPGRADE THE ROOFING MATERIALS, BUT JUST MORE GENERAL QUESTIONS.
SO WAS ONE ANSWER ON THAT? THAT WAS ALL I HAD, THAT'S IT? YEP.
COUNCIL MEMBER SATIN, CUSTOMER THORTON.
SO JU JUST TO GET SOME THINGS OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, MAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THERE WERE DEFINITELY A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EXCHANGE THAT MET ALL ZONING AND DIDN'T NEED ANY EXTRA APPROVALS FROM CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO NEVER EVEN CAME BEFORE US.
SO THIS ONE THEY'RE ASKING FOR CHANGES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE US.
THIS AREA HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ZONED MULTI-FAMILY SINCE ABOUT 2006, INCLUDING THAT ONE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
UM, BUT THIS ONE, THEY ARE GOING FOR A PD CAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T HAVE A SENIOR CLASSIFICATION IN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BEING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAND, UM, OR OTHERWISE CALLED A LANDING IN THE WEST SIDE OF THAT STREET BECAUSE OF LIVE OUT, GOING THROUGH, WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE DENSITY AND THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT THEY NEEDED FOR THE, UM, ELEVATOR AREAS.
AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING LIVE OAK.
THEIR PORTION OF LIVE OAK HAS PART OF THIS.
AND SO THE TWO LOTS ALONG EXCHANGE ARE BASICALLY, I ASSUME, RESERVED FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE A MAP AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE.
UM, THEY'RE KIND OF TWO LOTS OVER HERE.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, WE JUST GOT COMMERCIAL OF ALONG THAT STREET AND HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND
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VIBE REALLY WELL WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, OFFICE SPACE.WE ACTUALLY HAVE, I BELIEVE, UM, A PROJECT UNDER SHOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOON.
UM, SO IT'LL BE KIND OF A SINGLE STORY OFFICE COMPLEX.
GOT SOME OF OUR VIVID AVILA RAIL.
SO, UM, HAVE THEY ALREADY GOTTEN TO THE PART WHERE WE WILL NEED IT TO DO LIKE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND DO WE HAVE THE CALCULATED LAKE TIFS FIGURED OUT? UM, OR THIS ONE, THERE WAS A SEPARATE AND DOTTIE I'M GOING TO PROBABLY NEED YOUR HELP ON THIS.
THERE WAS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE WHEN IT WAS PART OF THE LANDING WITH THE PRIOR OWNER.
AND SO I, THERE WAS A, I JUST KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE PROVIDING US WITH THAT LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
SO A LOT OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS THAT LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOME SENIOR OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WE'LL IN THE PROXIMITY TO THE CO-OP, ESPECIALLY FOR SENIOR RIGHT HERE, I THINK IS REALLY GREAT.
UH, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY OPTIONS THE CITIES MAY BE CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF A CROSSWALK OVER TO THE, TO LIVE OAK RIGHT THERE, CONNECTING OVER TO THE CO-OP? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A CROSSWALK.
I KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS DISCUSSED IT AS PART OF THE CO-OP SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT.
HONESTLY, EVEN WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE EXCHANGE, IT'S A VERY WIDE ROADWAY, SO I I'M ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEEDING ALONG THERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY OVER THERE, WE'LL LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY IN KIND OF DOING ON STREET ANGLED, PARKING, UM, OVER BY WHAT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE FLICK SITE.
SO WE'VE LOOKED AT A FEW OF THOSE THINGS AND MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO, UM, LOOK AT REDOING THAT WHOLE STREET, BUT CERTAINLY I KNOW THAT, UM, PADMA AND WAITER IN THERE IN THE AUDIENCE STILL.
SO, UM, FOR SENIOR HOUSING SPECIFICALLY, OR APARTMENT COMPLEXES, DO WE HAVE CODE, UM, REQUIREMENTS ON HOW, WHAT BASE NEEDS ARE FOR THAT VERSUS LIKE AN IRREGULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX IN TERMS OF LIKE ACCESSIBILITY, WE DON'T WITHIN OUR UDC, WE DO NOT HAVE A SENIOR SECTION.
IS THAT A THING? UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A THING IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT ZONING CATEGORY WITHIN OUR UDC AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FORWARD JUST SO WE CAN STILL LIVE, WORK, PLAY, AND HEAD OUT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK WITH THE TEAM OF DEVELOPERS, THAT'S ON THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO SO THEY KNOW THEIR MARKET REALLY WELL.
I ASKED THAT LIKE WITH A BACKGROUND WITH OTHER PROJECTS, COULD WE GET A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS ARE, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO THEM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING Y'ALL WANT TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT THE PROJECT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS? SURE.
I'M THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER I'VE GOT JUSTIN WALKER IS ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PRINCIPALS AS WELL AS BOB MUELLER, CHIEF ARCHITECT.
UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, THANK YOU TO THE P Z COMMITTEE WHO GOT US TO THE COUNCIL.
STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB ADVISING US, UM, A BRIEF ASIDE.
I DO A GREAT DEAL OF CONSTRUCTION IN AUSTIN AND WE'VE GOT PROBABLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN PRODUCTS WE HAVE PLANNED IN LIBERTY HILL AND HUDDLE HAS BEEN WITHOUT A DOUBT, THE BEST ONE TO WORK WITH.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE CITY STAFF, UM, TO SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE TAKE GREAT CARE IN WORRYING ABOUT HOW PROGRAMMING IMPACTS US BECAUSE, UM, THAT IMPACTS HOW WE CAN LEASE THE PROPERTY.
SO SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES WE JUST COMPLETED AND SOLD A PROPERTY IN GEORGETOWN, IT'S CALLED IT'S ACTUALLY UNDER THE SAME, UM, PROPERTY NAME OR SIMILAR PROPERTY NAME.
IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF 14, 16 WESTINGHOUSE.
IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, UM, YOU'LL SEE IT, IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING, LARGE BRICK AND, AND PSEUDO MASONRY STRUCTURE.
WE'VE GOT GREAT REVIEWS FROM IT.
SO WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE POTENTIALLY A COUPLE OTHERS TO THE SOUTH OF AUSTIN AND MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR ONE OF THE LIBERTY HILL PROPERTIES TO HAVE THE SAME THING.
THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING FRANKLY FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT, POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES TO AGE RESTRICTED, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A MARKET GAP THAT WE FEEL EXISTS IN MANY OF THE SUBURBS OF AUSTIN.
AND HOW DO WE SEEM LIKE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT THAT HERE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE CITY? SO I WOULD SAY THAT WHILE WE HAVE REALLY JUST ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY, IT'S VERY RECENT.
IT'S IN GEORGETOWN WHERE WE HAD TO COMPETE WITH THE LIKES OF SUN CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO REPEAT THAT SUCCESS HERE IN HADOW AND BRING THAT SORT OF BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY HERE.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US.
CAUSE, UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT THERE IS A, A MARKET GAP HERE FOR OUR SENIOR LIVING OPTIONS AND UM, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, IT, AND I'M HEARING THAT ALL HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, I'M REALLY PUMPED ABOUT IT AND CAN'T WAIT TO BE 55.
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I HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL REALIZES THAT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE REALLY IS AN INTERSECTION OF INTEREST FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE HERE.YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DEVELOPERS, WE'RE LOOKING TO SELL A PROPERTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SELL A PROPERTY THAT ISN'T NICE THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE AMENITIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE GREAT PROMO PROGRAMMING OR IS IT OPERATIONALLY MANAGED EFFECTIVELY.
SO OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO MAKE THOSE EFFICIENT AND GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I THINK PROBABLY MEETS THE PUBLIC'S INTENT HERE AS WELL.
SO I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS HERE.
ONE IS THAT YOU HAD TO DEVELOP IT AND SELL IT.
AND SO ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE, WE HAD A GROUP OF SENIOR CITIZENS STARTUP, UH, STARTED A GROUP AND THEY CALL IT SENIOR WATCH.
AND THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE WAS, UH, THE COST OF LIVING IN HUDDLE WAS TOO HIGH AND THE TAXES WERE OUT OF CONTROL.
AND SO LUCKILY THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME PASSED SOMETHING TO BASICALLY CAP THEIR TAXES.
BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
UM, IF YOU CALL IT SENIOR HOUSING AREA IN HADOW, IS THAT THEY'RE STILL GETTING PRICED OUT.
UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OUR RENT GOES UP SAY EVERY YEAR IT GOES UP A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY IS GOING UP $10 A MONTH.
AND SO WHERE THEY HAD A BIG CUSHION EVERY YEAR, IT GOES DOWN TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO MOVE.
AND SO I REALLY DON'T SEE A FIX HERE FOR THAT TO WHERE IF YOU COULD BUILD A REALLY NICE PRODUCT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW IT HELPS THE SENIOR POPULATION BECAUSE WHILE THE CITY COUNCIL THE, OF HADOW HAS WORKED HARD TO REDUCE THE TAX BURDEN, UM, I WOULD SAY NO OTHER ENTITY HAS IN OUR AREA.
AND SO TAXES KEEP GOING UP AND UP AND UP.
AND SO YOU MAY BUILD A $50 MILLION DEVELOPMENT TODAY, NEXT YEAR, IT APPRAISES AT 70 MILLION.
AND SO TAXES GO UP, THEN YOU GUYS HAVE SOLD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT SENIORS, THE NEW GROUP, THEY DON'T CAUSE THERE MAY BE ON WALL STREET AND THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY.
SO THEY JACK UP RENT $150 A MONTH.
THE NEXT YEAR IT GOES TO 90 MILLION, THEY DO IT ANOTHER 150 AND THEN ALL THE SENIORS HAVE TO MOVE OUT AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SENIORS THAT CAN MOVE IN.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT FIXED TO THAT.
UM, I REMEMBER TALKING TO THE PEOPLE YOU BOUGHT THE LAND FROM MITCHELL ABOUT, UM, HOW I WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN TO HAVE SENIOR HOUSING THAT ACTUALLY COULD HOUSE SENIORS IN THERE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO MOVE IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
SO I'D SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT CONCERNS IS NOT NECESSARILY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO MAKE MONEY.
I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS I KNOW THAT, UH, MATERIALS ARE, ARE NOT ABLE TO BE REQUIRED.
UM, BUILDING MATERIALS BY MUNICIPALITIES, DO THE STATE LAW, BUT IT'S A VOLUNTARY DEAL ON YOUR GUYS'S PART, BUT IT'S ALSO A VOLUNTARY PART ON OUR PART TO APPROVE ANY CHANGES TO ANYTHING.
AND SO I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PART OF THE PUD TO WHERE YOU ALL VOLUNTARILY AGREE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
AND IN RETURN, THE CITY VOLUNTARILY DOES THINGS BECAUSE WE GET AROUND TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM AT SOME POINT, AND HE'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME.
AND SO I LOOK AT IT AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GIVE VARIANCES TO BILLING MATERIALS AND ALL THESE THINGS, BUT THEN I'M NOT SEEING, UH, INCREASED BENEFIT FOR THE CITY.
AND YES, THERE IS A TEMPORARY BENEFIT FOR SENIOR HOUSING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IN THREE YEARS, MOST OF THEM WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT BECAUSE OF LAND VALUES AROUND HERE ARE SKYROCKETING.
UM, SO I LIKE TO SEE US WORK SOMEWHERE, SOME WAY TO DO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT.
WE'VE DONE IT WITH OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT ASKED FOR VARIANCES.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT THAT I'M AGAINST YOUR GUYS' PROJECT AT ALL, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT I THINK SENIORS WILL EVEN TAKE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO LIVE IN PLACES.
IF MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THEM IN A FUTURE.
AND MAYBE THE REST OF THE ENTITIES WILL FIGURE OUT THAT THEY'RE TAXING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND THEY'LL COME AROUND AND REALIZATION AND IT WON'T MATTER, BUT SEE, MAKE SURE I DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MORE OF A, A GEOGRAPHICAL ISSUE WITH US, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL ARE COGNIZANT OF THE IMPACT THAT WE MAKE DECISIONS ON OUR SENIOR POPULATION.
BUT SO MR. MAYOR, WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR APPROVAL, I'LL JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, I THINK TO, I THINK WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
UM, OUR REQUESTS HERE FOR THE PUD IS ALMOST ENTIRELY WITHIN THE UDC.
THEY'RE VERY, YOU KNOW, AS ASHLEY OUTLINED, IT'S VERY MINIMAL WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY ASKING FOR THE CITY TO GIVE UP ANYTHING NECESSARILY, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ASKING FOR ANY SORT OF INCENTIVES.
AND IN FACT, WE ARE PARTY TO THE CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT TO IMPROVE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FORM OF THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION AND DRAINAGE TO IMPROVE CITY IMPROVEMENTS.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE ALREADY MAKING THE BEST FAITH EFFORT THAT WE CAN FOR THE MOST PART TO HELP THE CITY OF HIDALGO GROW IN A RESPONSIBLE
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WAY AND HELP YOUR, YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.BUT I THINK THAT YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GREAT POINTS AND I THINK THAT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ADDRESSED.
WE SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS, THOSE ARE ADDRESSED AND OUR CONCERN FOR, FOR LEASING AND OPERATING THE PROPERTY.
I DO SAY SELL, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT TOMORROW, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A WORLD IN WHICH WE MAY DECIDE TO KEEP IT.
BUT AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING IS ALSO A NICHE MARKET, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T MARKET RATE, THERE ISN'T AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF DEMAND AS THERE IS FOR MARKET RATE IN MUCH OF THE REST OF THE AUSTIN METROPLEX.
SO WE DO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF COSTS.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OPERATIONAL COSTS.
SOME OF THAT DOES PLAY INTO OUR REQUESTS FOR THE PANEL THOUGH.
AGAIN, WE'RE ALMOST ENTIRELY WITHIN THE UDCA, UM, REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT SAID, WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE HERE TO JUST PLOP SOMETHING DOWN, LEASE IT UP AND SELL IT.
UM, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LEASE IT QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE DON'T KEEP RATES COMPETITIVE, WE, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE A BETTER VALUE FOR RESIDENTS HERE THAN PFLUGERVILLE OR ROUND ROCK OR NORTH AUSTIN, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LEASE IT.
AND SO TO THAT DEGREE, WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT, THAT'S MY JOB CHIEFLY AS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING OUR COSTS DOWN SO THAT WE CAN KEEP RENT RATES DOWN SO THAT WE CAN DELIVER A PRODUCT THAT BOTH THE PUBLIC WANTS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND FEELS GOOD ABOUT, BUT THAT WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WE LIVE AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE EVERYONE'S INTERESTS ALIGN.
UM, UM, SO I, UH, AFTER HEARING THE PRESENTATION AT P AND Z, I REACHED OUT THESE GUYS HADN'T MET WITH THEM AND GOT A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THIS PROJECT, A REALLY, REALLY NICE PROJECT.
I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE ON USING A LOT OF AMENITIES FOR THE SENIORS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DID FIND OUT IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY RENT RESTRICTED, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE MARKET RATE, UM, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, EVEN A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE WE NEED, UM, AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING WITHIN OUR CITY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE CAN'T OFFER IT, I'M SURE WE CAN CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE OTHER DEVELOPERS TO OFFER THAT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THIS LAND MITCHELL, UH, TO PROVIDE AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, BUT THAT, UM, ULTIMATE, UH, PID AND PROPOSAL WAS REJECTED BY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, SO WE HAVE THIS, UM, AS A REPLACEMENT, I THINK THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WOULD GO THERE, JUST DEVELOPING OFF THE STREET.
UM, SO I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT AND ALSO REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'RE ON THE HOOK TO, UM, AT LEAST GET LIVE OAK MOST OF THE WAY TO EDGE MINT, WHICH IS I THINK A GOOD THING.
SO, UH, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PRODUCT AND I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MCKINSEY.
UM, JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID ABOUT, UM, TRAILS OR CALMER CREEK CARAMEL CREEK, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER 55 PLUS COMMUNITY WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S 46 OR 48 UNITS THAT ARE INSIDE OF THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY ARE ON A TWO YEAR WAIT LIST AND OF THOSE 46 OR 48.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER.
ONLY 12 OF THOSE ARE OUR MARKET VALUE.
THE OTHER 30 ODD, OUR SLIDING SCALE INCOME BASED.
UM, JUST SO THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT.
UM, BUT WITH THEIR TWO YEAR WAIT LIST, UM, THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, AND MY MOTHER WAS LOOKING TO MOVE TO HOW-TO.
SHE DOESN'T QUALIFY TO, YOU KNOW, SHE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY, SO SHE HAS TO PAY MARKET VALUE, WHICH IS FINE, NO PROBLEM.
BUT THE WAITLIST FOR THOSE MARKET VALUE IS OVER TWO YEARS.
SO I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS A SOMETHING THAT HOW TO REALLY CAN IN NEEDS.
I MEAN, THE WAIT LIST IS TWO YEARS FOR THE MARKET VALUE, UM, BECAUSE ONLY 12 OF THOSE UNITS CAN BE RENTED OUT AT MARKET VALUE.
UM, SHE ENDED UP PURCHASING A HOME AND WHICHEVER ELSE, BUT BECAUSE THE WAIT LIST WAS SO LONG.
SO I THINK THAT THERE DEFINITELY IS A, A HUGE NEED AND I DO DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN OF MONEY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE A SLIDING SCALE AND INCOME-BASED, UM, BUT JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I KNOW FOR A FACT, IF WE CAN HAVE A TWO YEAR WAIT LISTING, THIS IS DEFINITELY A NEED THAT WE NEED NOW.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE ABOUT A COMPLETION TIMELINE, WE'RE HOPING TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER, WE'RE HOPING JUNE OR JULY, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY PREDICATED ON PET APPROVAL AS WELL AS OUR BUILDING PERMIT SUBMISSION.
UH, I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH FINAL PLAT RECORDATION.
WE'VE HAD, UM, PRELIMINARY PLAT RECORDATION.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A, ROUGHLY 16 TO 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD FROM GROUNDBREAKING IN WE'LL CALL IT JULY 1ST.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S PREDICATED ON, OF COURSE THIS, THIS AGENDA BEING APPROVED.
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OUR TIMELINE.UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WILL BE ANY PRE-LEASING IF THAT HELPS YOU OUT.
I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL RUSH TO GET CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED, UM, JUST FROM EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MORE WE CAN REDUCE COSTS, THE LOWER WE CAN OFFER RENTS AT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT ASHLEY HAD SPOKE ABOUT THERE BEING MAYBE SOME P AND Z CONCERNS ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT CAME OUT OF P AND Z THAT YOU RECOLLECT? NO.
AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS, ASHLEY AND AN AUTUMN HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH AND THEY SPOKE ABOUT IT, BUT THE P AND Z COMMITTEE ACTUALLY FLAGGED THE ONE THING THAT WAS, THAT WAS SORT OF A SERIOUS CONCERN FOR US.
AND THAT IS THE TREES, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT, DO I HAVE THE POWER TO CLICK THIS? YOU HAVE THE, UH, IF YOU GO TO, I WENT WAY PAST WAY PAST.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR TREES ARE BUNCHED UP.
AND THIS REPRESENTS, I THINK, A LITTLE OVER 50% OF WHAT THE CITY'S UDC REQUIRES.
THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS WE HAD TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL FOR BUD PERIOD.
THERE IS SIMPLY NO WAY, GIVEN THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY ON THE PROPERTY, THE EASEMENTS REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC DRAINAGE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T PLACE TREES OR LANDSCAPING IN THE EASEMENTS PER THE CITY'S UDC TO COME UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT YOU GUYS ASKED FOR.
UM, AND OF COURSE WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE THE TREES THAT ARE THERE TO THE GREATEST DEGREE THAT WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND IT.
IT'S LIKE A TETRIS PUZZLE, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T NEW TO YOU GUYS.
WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIT THE DRAINAGE FOR THE BUILDINGS, GET TO THE DENSITY.
WE NEED TO MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION WORK AND THEN FIT ALL THE LANDSCAPING IN.
IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT THE TREE CANOPY THAT HERE THAT, UM, OUR ARCHITECT, BOB NEWMAN, OR CIVIL ENGINEERS PUT TOGETHER, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.
AND I THINK THAT WHILE WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THIS WORK BARELY OR MARGINALLY FROM AN INITIAL CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME LONG-TERM CONCERNS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THE TREES.
SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE ACTUALLY SUGGESTED TO US MODIFYING IT IN THE MANNER THAT ASHLEY SPOKE ABOUT WHERE WE TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALIBER OF TREE VERSUS THE NUMBER OF TREES THEMSELVES, WHICH GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE THE SITE AROUND, PRESERVE SOME OF THE LARGER TREES THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
AND THEN WHICH HELPS US REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NEWLY PLANTED TREES.
SO THAT WAS REALLY PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT CAME OUT OF THE P AND Z COMMITTEE.
AND I, AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW GREAT P AND Z WAS WORKING IN AUSTIN AND EVEN LIBERTY HILL WHERE EVERYTHING'S JUST AN OBSTACLE.
IT WAS THE P AND Z COMMISSIONS SUGGESTION THAT REALLY HELPED US GET THERE WHERE THEY SUGGESTED, WELL, LET'S, LET'S, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN THE POD AND MODIFY THIS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK BETTER AND CREATE SOME LONGTERM VIABILITY FOR THE TREES IN THE PROPERTY.
YOU MADE ME THINK OF ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO THIS SITE PLAN IS, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT.
THE ONLY CHANGES AT THIS POINT, MR. MAYOR MIGHT BE G YOU KNOW, REJIGGERING, IF YOU WILL, THE TREES JUST BASED ON, IF WE THINK WE CAN SAVE SOME MORE OF THE INDIGENOUS TREES TO REDUCE THE NEWLY PLANTED TREES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW THAT THE OTHER ISSUE, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP, AND THIS IS WHAT PROMPTED BNCS SUGGESTION ON THIS.
IT'S NOT EVEN THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO PLANTING TREES IT'S THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY HARD TIME SOURCING THEM RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, TO TRY AND FIND TREES FROM NURSERIES THAT ARE MATURE OR OVER TWO OR THREE INCHES IS, IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
AND I CAN'T HOLD UP THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T SOURCE A COUPLE OF THREE OR FOUR INCH SAPLINGS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE P AND Z COMMISSION SUGGESTION REALLY HELPED US HERE.
BUT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR ASIDE FROM THAT? NO, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY OTHER CHANGES.
AS LONG AS WHENEVER YOU SAID, HEY, WE'LL REJIGGER SOME STUFF AROUND, IT MADE ME THINK WHAT WE SEE TODAY.
AND SO ASHLEY, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS AS IT IS, AND NOW WE'RE GOING BY APPROVING THE TOTAL OF CALIPER, LET'S SAY, UM, LET'S SAY THEY FIND 140, A COUPLE 40 INCH COPPER TREES AND PLANTING A CORNER.
I MEAN, IT, AT WHAT POINT CAN A PERSON MANIPULATE THIS TO WHERE WE'RE LIKE, W WE HAVE REGRETS LATER ON, BUT YET WE WANT TO WORK WITH THEM.
AND MAKE SURE THAT, I MEAN, IS THERE A, IS THERE A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH TO WEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING TO WHERE THEY CAN'T DO? LIKE, THEY FIND A DEAL ON A BUNCH OF EIGHT INCH TREES AND THEY MONARCH SITTING AND GET IT OVER WITH, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HONESTLY WORK WITH THE WAY THAT SITE, THIS IS, IT'S GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM TO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS IN THEIR PVD TO SHOW US WHAT THE SITE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
UM, CERTAINLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS, YES, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF CALIPER INCH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE STILL OUR SITE REQUIREMENTS, OUR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPREAD THEM OUT, UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE OTHER INSTANCES.
THIS WAS REALLY JUST THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WE REQUIRE IN OUR UDC RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS PARKING LOT SCREENING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE ABLE TO BUNCH UP A FEW 40 INCHES AND CALL IT A DAY.
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ME THROUGH WHAT THE VEHICULAR CHANGES ARE IN THE PARKING WITH THE, UM, THE FENCE OPTION? AND THEN IT SAYS, SCREENED PARKING CAN WITH EIGHT FOOT LANDSCAPING, CAN YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, SURE.SO THE, EITHER YOU CAN DO THE EIGHT OR EIGHT FOOT LANDSCAPE AREA, OR YOU CAN DO A SCREEN FOR THE MAJORITY OF IT THAT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE EIGHT FEET OF DEPTH.
UM, SO WE DID WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT, AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'VE GOT A 50, A 40 AND A 30, UM, DRAINAGE EASTMAN AROUND THE SITE.
WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT, KNOWING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT BUFFER, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT TREES INSIDE THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
SO THE SCREEN IS LIKE A WALL, A FENCE.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO, UM, A SOLID WOOD FENCE, SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AROUND TOWN.
SO HEARING ABOUT THE TREE ISSUES, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT RON HANSON SLAM WAS SCHMITZ CREEK, ALL THE SAPLINGS OVER THE PAST FOUR GENERATIONS, THE TREES THAT THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING, THAT AMANDA BROWNS, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE SCHMIDT.
SO IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL THAT WE COULD OFFER THOSE BABY TREES TO YOU GUYS? UM, SINCE THEY'RE NATIVE AND THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HISTORICAL, LIKE THE, THE HANSON'S HAD BEEN HERE FOR SO MANY.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET THEM IN TOUCH WITH THAT WITH OLIVER AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE MAY HAVE SOME TREES.
I KNOW FOR THAT SITE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PRESERVING, WHICH IS WHY THEY SHIFTED THE ROADWAY JUST SLIGHTLY TO PRESERVE THAT ALL THE ONES THAT MR. HANSON JUST PLANTED LIKE A YEAR AGO THAT ARE BABIES AND OKAY.
ANYWAY, I CAN CERTAINLY PASS ON INFORMATION IF, IF THEY MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT MAY ACTUALLY END UP BEING MORE EXPENSIVE, JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT TO DIG A MOVE ON IT.
BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE CAN THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX ON THE CURIOUS, SO ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE LEASES AND ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE MARKETED VALUE, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 10? ONE, IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE.
TEN ONE HAS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL SALVO SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY, IMPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER ODESSA 2022 DASH 3 0 0.
ONE HAS PRESENTED ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, MANDY COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORN COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON, MAYOR PRO TEM TANNER ROSE COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON I COUNCIL MEMBER CRYSTAL KINSEY MAYOR MIKE SNYDER, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
[11.1 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2021-184 authorizing the Mayor to execute an Interlocal Agreement with Williamson County, Texas for a waterline relocation and appropriating funds. (Legal) ]
NEXT, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11, ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2021 DASH 1 8 4.AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS FRAY, WATERLINE RELOCATION, AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS.
UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
YOU HAVE THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS, UM, THE PROCESS OF, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION TO RELOCATE COUNTY ROAD 4 0 4, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE SAMSUNG DEVELOPMENT IN THE PARKWAY, PROPERTY ACQUISITION RELATED TO THAT, UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING HADOW WATERLINE, UM, ALONG COUNTY ROAD 4 0 4 THAT RUNS EAST WEST, UM, SINCE THE ROAD IS BEING RELOCATED, UH, AND THAT EXISTING WATER LINE IS IN EXISTING RIGHT AWAY.
UH, THAT WATERLINE IS GOING TO BE RELOCATED AS PART OF THAT LARGER COUNTY PROJECT, UH, TO BE LOCATED IN THE NEW, UH, RIGHT AWAY FOR COUNTY ROAD 4 0 4, UM, IN THE AGREEMENT, UH, THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESIGN PERMITTING, BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATERLINE.
UM, AND THE INTENT IS THAT THAT WATERLINE WOULD BE BUILT AS PART OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT WORK IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
UH, THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT UNDER THIS CURRENT, UNDER THE ILA WOULD BE TO, UH, TO REVIEW THE PLANS AND SPECS, WHICH WE HAVE DONE DCS, UH, HAS BEEN THE CONSULTANT THAT'S BEEN REVIEWING THOSE PLANS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UM, AND SO WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY'S ENGINEER ON THAT PROJECT, UH, THE CITY ALSO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INSPECTION AND TESTING OF THE WATER LINE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT, UM, ONCE THOSE, ONCE THE LINE HAS, UM, BASICALLY PASSED ALL THE TESTING AND
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INSPECTION, UH, THAT IT WOULD THEN BE DEEMED, UM, COMPLETE AND THAT, UM, THEN IT WOULD TURN OVER TO THE CITY FOR, UH, OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE.UM, THE CITY'S ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, BASICALLY THE REIMBURSEMENT BURST COSTS FOR THE RELOCATION, UM, SINCE THE WATER LINES IN AN EXISTING RIGHT AWAY, UH, THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO, TO MOVE THAT LINE, UM, AS PART OF THAT COUNTY PROJECT.
SO THE PAYBACK SCHEDULE ON THAT IS, UM, A 10 YEAR PERIOD, UH, THAT WOULD COMMENCE, UM, BASICALLY 30 DAYS, UH, ONCE THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AND COMPLETE.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS AND IT'S 2.8 MILLION OVER THE 10 YEARS PLUS THE 150,000 FOR THE DESIGN, RIGHT? FOR ROUGHLY $3 MILLION.
I THINK YOUR FIRST, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME CUSTOMER WITH ORTON QUESTIONS, CUSTOMER THE, IS THE TEN-YEAR REIMBURSEMENT PERIOD.
IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD, WOULD YOU SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STRUCTURE THESE DEALS IN A LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UH, THAT'S BEEN THAT'S THE, UM, THE OFFER THAT WAS MADE BY THE COUNTY AND, OR AGREED UPON BY THE COUNTY, UM, UM, KNOWING OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL STATUS IS, IS THAT TENABLE FOR US, DO YOU THINK? OR I GUESS IF ANGIE WERE HERE, SO, SO THIS IS CLOSELY COORDINATED WITH ANGIE, SO SHE'S FULLY AWARE OF THE COMMITMENT THERE AND, UM, FOR HER WITH EVERYTHING.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ASKED FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
THAT, THOSE ARE MY ONLY TWO QUESTIONS.
SO STACY JUST SLEPT, BUT WASN'T THIS PART OF AN OVERALL DEAL TO WHERE WE WERE GOING TO RELOCATE THIS, A CITY WAS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS.
THE COUNTY HAD ARPA FUNDS AND IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE A BIGGER DEAL.
AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE WATERLINES A HUNDRED PERCENT ON US, WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS PART OF AN OVERALL BIGGER DEAL, OR AM I CONFUSED? NO.
TH THERE IS AN OVERALL PROJECT THAT THE, THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THIS AGREEMENT THOUGH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE WATERLINE PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
THE OVERALL PROJECT, THERE IS A ANOTHER INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO TRY TO FINALIZE, TO COME BACK, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE WASTEWATER AND THE ARPA FUNDING.
UM, WE'VE NOT GOTTEN THAT TO A POINT TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO COUNCIL THAT EITHER, RIGHT? SO IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, WE WERE GOING TO SPEND 3 MILLION, THE INNER LOCAL, IT COULD GO WITH THE OTHER LOCAL COULD GO AWAY.
AND THEN THE MONEY THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE, SOME OF THAT ONE TO PAY FOR THIS ONE, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING TO ME? THEY ALL GOT TO BE AT THE SAME TIME, OR ARE THEY, WE ARE, I MEAN, THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THIS COST.
WHETHER THE SOUTHEAST LOOP PROJECT HAPPENS OR NOT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE AN EXISTING WATER LINE AND THE COUNTIES RIGHT AWAY, THEY ARE RELOCATING THE ROAD.
WE ARE OBLIGATED TO EITHER ABANDON THAT LINE OR MOVE IT.
THAT IS THE LINE THAT WE NEED TO SERVE OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO WE'VE, UH, UM, I MEAN THE COUNTY HAS ABANDONED THE LINE, BUT, OR AVANDIA IN THE ROAD, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR BENDING THE ROAD, WE NOW PAY $3 MILLION.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IF THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, IF YOU APPROVE THIS 3 MILLION EXPENDITURE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU X AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS OTHER DEAL THAT WE WOULD JUST DO IT TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE TO PAY 3 MILLION BECAUSE YOU'RE PROMISING US AS CARROT OVER HERE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE CARROT WHENEVER WE DO THIS.
OTHERWISE, I MEAN, IF I WAS A COUNTY, I'D SAY, WELL, MONEY DRIED UP, SORRY, BUT YOU ALREADY AGREED TO THIS ONE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE WITHIN MOVING THE ROAD, THAT TRIGGERS US HAVING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE ELSE'S DEVELOPMENT IS NOW HURTING HOW TO BUY $3 MILLION WHEN THEY TOLD US THAT WOULD GET TAKEN CARE OF THROUGH THIS OTHER WAY.
THIS IS ALL AN IN ON YOU, BUT FOR ME, THIS IS ONE OF THE DEALS WHERE I WANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, BUT THEN I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THE IDEA ISN'T FULLY HERE, ONLY HALF OF IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT CUSTOMER GORDON.
AND ALSO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MINE TOO.
WHY IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MOVE A WATERLINE? IF THEY'RE CHOOSING TO MOVE A ROAD, UM, THAT STATE LAW LEGALLY, LEGALLY, IT'S THERE, UM, UH, UH, PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING US TO PUT THE WATER LINE IN.
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THEN WHEN THEY DECIDE TO MOVE IT, WE HAVE TO RELOCATE IT AT OUR EXPENSE.IF THE WATER LINE WAS IN AN EXISTING EASEMENT DEDICATED TO THE CITY, THEN THEY WOULD THEN NEED, THEY WOULD THEN BE OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THAT LINE.
AND IN THIS AREA, WE ARE USING THEIR RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE EXISTING LINE.
AND SO THEN BACK TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, THE MAYOR'S POINT, SO WE PAY FOR THIS, WE AGREE TO PAY FOR IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE, I MEAN, AGAIN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME FORWARD? DO, IS IT STILL IN THE WORKS? ARE WE, IS THE, IS THERE ANY URGENCY TO THIS WHERE WE COULDN'T WAIT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING OR TWO AND DO BOTH, UM, AGREEMENTS TOGETHER TH THE URGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT? UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT THE WATER LINE AND THE ROAD NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED TO MEET THE SAMSUNG DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE.
AND SO THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY BID THE PROJECT ARE AWAITING TO AWARD THE PROJECT, UM, AND THEY NEED THIS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO, TO RELOCATE THAT WATER LINE, THE, THE OTHER FUNDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, ARE ONGOING.
WE HAVE SOME DRAFT AGREEMENTS THAT THE CITY IS REVIEWING AND THE COUNTY IS REVIEWING, AND THOSE SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR, FOR THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, AS WELL AS ARPA FUNDS AND THE USE OF THE FUTURE CORRIDOR FOR WASTEWATER CITY, WASTEWATER SERVICE.
I MEAN, BASICALLY KNOWING ALL THIS, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP OUR NEIGHBORS, IF IT'S GOING TO HOLD UP SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN HOLD THE, THE COUNTY SEAT TO THE FIRE IF WE NEED TO, WHATEVER.
SORRY, HOW DO YOU THINK THERE'S A WAY TO HOLD THE HOLD THE COUNTY TO PERSONALLY SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T AGREED TO ATTORNEYS ARE PRETTY SMART AND THEY CAN, WELL, BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS, BEFORE I VOTED THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND GO, OKAY, CITY ATTORNEY, HOW DO WE DO THIS IN CHEER? CHRISTIAN GOES, WELL, YOU CAN'T, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS APPROVED THE DEAL.
NOW YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT.
IS THERE A WAY TO, TO APPROVE THIS AND THEN MAKE THE COUNTY REIMBURSED THIS LATER THROUGH SOME OTHER AGREEMENT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM TO, I'M SORRY, WHERE'S THE, IT SAYS THAT WE'RE, UM, WHICH APPROPRIATING, SO WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? SORRY, GENERAL FUND, BUT IS IT COMING TO THE GENERAL FUND BOND MONEY? LIKE WHERE IS IT PROPERTY TAXES, SALE? LIKE, WHERE'S THE FUNDING FROM LIKE MY GUESTS, SINCE IT'S RELATED TO UTILITIES IS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF UTILITIES, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT.
SO WHEN TO PASS SOMETHING, WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
SO I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND APPROVING THIS UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND POSSIBLY ADDING SOMETHING TO THE AGREEMENT, UM, FOR THE RIGHT OF REIMBURSEMENT WITH THE OTHER FUNDS TO, IF I MAY, WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN ON THE RABBIT CHILD, CUSTOMER MCKINSEY, I THINK YOU'RE NEXT.
UM, SOMETHING DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT TO ME ABOUT THIS.
LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, KIND OF BIGGER, BROADER PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY AND I DON'T WANT TO BE A BAD NEIGHBOR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY'VE KNOWN THE SAMSUNG DEADLINE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNTY'S ALREADY HAD THIS IN DESIGN AND THEN, OH, HEY, HOW DO, BY THE WAY, HERE'S A $3 MILLION BILL NEIGHBOR TO ME THAT JUST IS, SEEMS A LITTLE WRONG, A LITTLE FISHY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A, A WAY TO GET A GET AROUND THAT THOUGH.
CAUSE IT'S, IF IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S OUR UTILITIES IN THEIR PROPERTY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT GOSH, IT JUST REALLY DOESN'T FEEL VERY, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD FEELING TO MAYBE JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
THE COMMENT WAS ABOUT THE FUNDING, THE FIRST PAYMENT FOR THIS, UH, THIS IS AN ANNUAL INSTALLMENT.
THAT 30TH DAY AFTER THE CITY OF FLIGHT 23.
SO WHICH, WHICH YOU'VE NOT YET DEVELOPED THAT BUDGET NOR APPROVE THAT BUDGET.
SO THESE AREN'T FUNDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A $300,000, UH, OR WATERY GOES BACK UP IF WE GOT PAID 300,000 PROBABLY.
I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY, BUT IT'S LIKE WE LOWER THE WATER
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RATES, BUT WHEN THE GUY DID HIS CALCULATIONS, DID HE KNOW THERE WAS A $300,000 A MONTH PAYMENT THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SAME FUND THAT WE USE TO REDUCE IT? I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.WE REDUCED, WE JUST NOW ADDED A $300,000, 10 YEAR PAYMENT PAYMENT ON TOP OF IT.
SO IT'S LIKE, DID WE JUST SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT? CAUSE WE DIDN'T FORECAST IT.
AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT.
IT JUST DOESN'T, I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, I DID CONFIRM WITH ANGIE THAT IT IS COMING OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND AND THAT THE DOLLARS ARE THERE.
THEY HAVE TO BE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S JUST FOR FY 23.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHEN THE FIRST PAYMENT.
YEAH, NO, I THINK THE FIRST PAYMENT THINK WE'RE READING THIS WRONG.
THE WAY I READ IT IS THE FIRST PAYMENT IS $150,000.
THAT'S DESIGN WORK THAT WE'RE DO.
UM, NO ONE, NO PAYMENT WILL BE MADE ON THIS SECTION UNTIL THE WATERLINE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.
AND THEN THE CITY SHALL REMIT THE FIRST ANNUAL PAYMENT, NOT LATER THAN THE 30TH DAY AFTER THE DATE OF ACCEPTANCE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THE 150,000 IS DUE SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT ACCEPTANCE TIME TOO.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN 300, BUT UM, AND W IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PROTECTS US? SO THEY'RE BIDDING IT OUT AT 2.9 MILLION.
AND WHEN WE DID OUR WASTEWATER LINE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, I SWEAR TO GOD, THE CONTRACTOR CAME BACK TWICE AND SAID THERE WAS A STORY.
REMEMBER STACY THAT THEY WANTED TO COME BACK AND WE KIND OF SAID, THERE'S NO MORE CHANGE ORDERS.
SO WHAT STOPS US FROM THIS GETTING, CAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THE BIDDING, THE CITY DIDN'T RIGHT.
AND SO WE DIDN'T REVIEW THE BID.
AND SO SOMEONE ELSE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A VESTED INTEREST DID ALL THE REVIEW.
AND SO WHAT STOPS THIS GOING FROM A CHANGE ORDER FROM 2.9 TO SAY 4.5 MILLION WE'RE NOT PROTECTED I CAN READ IN HERE.
IS THERE PROTECTIONS DOTTIE TO THAT? OR BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU WERE PADMA WITH, LOOKED AT IT, REVIEWED THE BIDS AND SAID, HEY, WE RECOMMEND THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THEY'RE LEGITIMATE.
WHAT KIND OF PROTECTIONS WE HAVE DOTTED THAT THE WAY IT READS IS THAT OUR OBLIGATION IS THE 2 MILLION 8 97, 6 39 IN THE, FOR THE 10 EQUAL PAYMENTS.
IT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR ANY, UH, OVERDRAW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ANY INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT OR DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT.
WE JUST PAY THAT IN THE 10 INSTALLMENTS.
SO THE COUNTY WOULD PICK UP THE OVERAGE OR SAMSUNG OR WHOEVER, RIGHT? AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A PROVISION THAT THEY ADDED ON PAYMENTS FROM CURRENT REVENUES.
ANY PAYMENTS REQUIRED TO BE MADE BY ANY PARTY IS PAID FROM CURRENT REVENUES OR OTHER FUNDS LAWFULLY AVAILABLE TO THE PARTY FOR SUCH PURPOSE.
SO THAT IF WE DO GET THE, UH, OTHER ILE AGREEMENT FOR THE OTHER FUNDING, WE CAN NOT USE THE UTILITY AND, AND USE THE OTHER FUNDING.
WAIT, DO YOU KNOW, ARE WE UNDERNEATH KIND OF A SHOT CLOCK ON THIS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THIS TONIGHT.
IS THERE SOME PIECES TO THIS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER TONIGHT, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT THEY, THEY BROUGHT TO US BACK IN OCTOBER AND WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET IT MOVING FOR.
THEN WE'VE WORKED OUT, WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH, WITH THEIR COUNSEL AND, AND STAFF.
UM, SO THEY ARE UNDER A BIT UNDER THAT AGAIN, I DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE WE HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE.
SO TAYLOR GOT SAMSUNG, COUNTY'S DOING ALL THE BIDDING AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WE'RE FLOODED WITH THE BILL THAT REALLY STINKS.
I MEAN, CONSIDERING THE COUNTY WANTS WASTEWATER CONNECTIONS WITH US.
AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THEM.
CAN THAT BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM ON THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS IN TERMS OF LOWERING THE COST ON, UM, THE CONNECTIONS THEY'RE WANTING FROM US WITH OUR WASTEWATER? AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS WITH THE COUNTY.
AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX THAT WE CAN IN THE BIGGER SCHEME OF THE, THIS HUGE PICTURE THAT I KNOW TAYLOR HAS MONEY, THEY NEED WATER, WE HAVE A WASTEWATER PLANT, WE HAVE WATER.
UM, THERE'S A WATER LINE THAT HAS TO GET MOVED AND THERE'S ALL THESE PLAYERS AND THIS ISN'T JUST THE ONE OPTION.
AND, UM, I I'M SURE THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON SOME OF THAT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY HAS PRESENTED.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE STRONG, ARMED BY THEM FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE PUZZLE, UM, BEFORE WE SIGN IT OFF, IF I COULD ADD, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEAL WAS
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IS THAT WE WOULD, THERE WAS A BIGGER, BROADER PICTURE OF A DEAL POINT THAT WE WERE SHOWN IN.THIS SEEMS TO BE A PIECE OF IT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL BEING NEGOTIATED.
AND SO, UH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ON WHAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE TOLD WAS THE DEAL POINTS.
SO DONNIE, WHAT WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YOU RECOMMENDED THE, TO DELAY IT TO TABLE THIS, AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I'D SAID TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE, BUT AFTER LOOKING AT I HAD THE, REMEMBER THIS WAS ON THE LAST AGENDA AND THEN THE COUNTY ASKED US TO PULL IT.
AND I LOOKED AT THE OLD AGREEMENT VERSUS THE NEW ONE AND THAT, UH, PROVISION WAS ADDED ABOUT THE FUNDING.
AND WHEN WE START THE PAYMENTS AND THE WAY IT READS IS YOU'RE NOT, THAT'S THE 10 EQUAL INSTALLMENTS ON THAT AMOUNT THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
SO IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT AND WE CAN USE OTHER FUNDS IF THEY COME IN FROM THE PART B OF THIS DEAL, CORRECT.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR, IT WAS SUCH A HURRY.
WHY DID THEY PULL IT? WHY DID THEY PULL IT THE LAST TIME? LAST TIME IT WAS, WE ASKED THEM, WHEN DO WE START PAYING? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TRIGGER DATE FOR LOOK LIKE YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT YOU STARTED PAYING IMMEDIATELY.
AND THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE INTO, UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY ACCEPTED THE WATERLINE TO START THE PAYMENTS.
I MEAN, IT'S TECHNICALLY THEIR PROPERTY.
SO CAN WE SAY NOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THAT'S THE THING IS WHAT'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING OTHERS TRY IT, BUT IT'S IN THERE RIGHT AWAY.
IT'S IN THERE, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN OVER WATERLINE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CUT OFF WATER TO THE ENTIRE CITY OF HADOW.
SO SOMETHING TELLS ME IF WE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK.
AND SINCE THEY PROMISED US A 10, $10 MILLION, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS A NUMBER.
THEY PROMISE US THAT HAVE A BIGGER THING.
I THINK BY TABLE AND NEST, AND THAT LETS HIM KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN DOING IT, BUT THERE WAS A WHOLE DEAL.
AND THE COMMISSIONER TOLD US WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
AND SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CARROT TO KIND OF GET US ALL GOING OTHERWISE.
WELL, I MAY, IF I COULD, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL POINTS, AS YOU MENTIONED TO THE DEAL ARE STILL ON THE TABLE AND THEY'RE STILL, UH, THE $10 MILLION ARPA FUNDS.
THIS, I MEAN, ON THE CURRENT PATH, WE WILL HAVE CITY WE'LL HAVE THREE ILS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
ONE YOU PASSED BACK A MONTH OR SO AGO RELATED TO RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION.
UH, THAT WAS ON TWO PARCELS, ALSO INCLUDED, UM, SOME ADJUSTMENTS OF UTILITIES AT THE WATER TOWER SITE.
THE THIRD PIECE IS THE, UH, THE DEDICATION OR THE ADDRESSING THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE, FOR THE FULL LOOP FOR PHASE THREE, $10 MILLION ARPA FUNDS, THE WASTEWATER USE WITHIN THAT EASEMENT, UM, WITH PROVISIONS, UH, OUTSIDE OF KIND OF NORMAL USE.
SO THOSE TALKING POINTS, THOSE DEAL POINTS ARE STILL OUT THERE AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE DETAILS, BUT THEY'RE IN SEPARATE AGREEMENTS AT THE CURRENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT ISAAC HAS TO SAY ON THIS.
LIKE PUT ME ON A SPOT THEY'RE REAL.
UH, I HAVE WORKED A NUMBER OF RELATIONSHIPS PROJECTS WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN FIVE YEARS IN THE MAKING.
SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN SHORTER.
UH, I'VE NOT RUN INTO A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY THAT I PREVIOUSLY WORKED WITH ONCE THE AGREEMENTS OR APPROVED, OR THAT WAS AN ISSUE.
MY CONCERN WITH HUDDLE AND I DID MEET WITH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER BOYLES, UH, YESTERDAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT, JUST MAKING MY ROUNDS, MEETING WITH PEOPLE AND, AND WAS AWARE OF SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, TALKING WITH STAFF OVERALL.
UH, MY CONCERN ON HUDDLE'S BEHALF IS SECURING LONG-TERM WATER, RIGHT? AND UTILIZING WASTEWATER AS AN ISSUE TO UNDERSTAND, BUT UTILIZING THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE WHY THEY DO OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND CAN DEMAND, TECHNICALLY THAT'D BE VACATED ON THE OTHER HAND.
NO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CUT US OFF FROM WATER.
$3 MILLION IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD, OF COURSE, THE, THE LOOP AND THE WASTEWATER, BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER WATER LINE ISSUE WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE THE UPPER HAND, IF YOU WILL, THAT I'M HOPING.
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THIS IS MY FOURTH DAY, BUT I'M HOPING THAT, UH, WE CAN USE THAT TO, UH, UH, POSSIBLY SECURE SOME ADDITIONAL WATER RIGHTS FOR HUDDLE, LONG STORY SHORT, UH, UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S GLOOM AND DOOM AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WITH WHAT I KNOW FOR TODAY HERE IS LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE THE BIG CARROT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FOR HUDDLE, MAYBE AT THAT, UH, THIRD DEAL THAT WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED YET, BUT SHOULD BE WORKING.
IT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR SAMSUNG, FOR TAYLOR.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THERE RIGHT AWAY, PRETTY SOON THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN YOUR RIGHT AWAY.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, MAYOR, I KNOW THESE CONVERSATIONS STARTED BACK IN JULY AND YOU WERE A PART OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE DEAL POINTS, AS WADE MENTIONED, ARE STILL BEING DISCUSSED.
AND AS A WEEK PRIOR TO CHRISTMAS, WE STILL WERE GETTING POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
THE CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL HAPPENING, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FUNDING AND TO THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I THINK PART OF THE REASON TOO, IS WE HAD CHRISTMAS BREAK AND THAT SLOWED SOME THINGS DOWN AS WELL, BUT EVERYTHING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL HAPPENING ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM THAT YOU HAVE MORE INTERRUPTED.
UM, NO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, MOVING PARTS.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY HAS REALLY DONE A WHOLE LOT FOR US IN THE FEW YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE AND NOW THEY GET ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY AND THEN THEY KIND OF, UM, COME UP HERE AND WANT US TO PAY FOR THIS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE EARNING, I MEAN, THEY GO AROUND AND FLAUNT, THE JUDGE AND THE COMMISSIONER GO AROUND AND FLINT, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE ALL EARNING AND HOW GREAT OF ALL THIS IS.
AND THEN, UM, THEY SHOW UP HERE AND WANT US TO DO THIS.
AND SO IT'S, UH, FOR ME, YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE EARNING AND THAT THERE'LL BE WHATEVER.
THEN THEY JUST KIND OF STICK US WITH A BILL, WHICH I GET, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW OR WHATEVER THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR ME, I'VE BEEN BURNED IN THE PAST DOING STUFF.
SO IT'S LIKE, YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS.
AND THEN WHAT'S REALLY THE COMMISSIONER'S GOAL AND GIVING US THE ARPA MONEY AND NOT JUST FUNNELING MORE TO TAYLOR TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THERE IS ALL NICE AND SHINY FOR SAMSUNG.
AND WE JUST KIND OF GET, HEY, WE'LL DO THIS FOR YOU.
AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, OR SOMETHING CHANGES ON THE COUNTY SIDE.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE STUCK FOOTING THE BILL AND, AND WE'RE JUST LEFT THERE WITH, WITH NOTHING WHICH I GET BY LAW WE'RE STILL REQUIRED TO DO, BUT IT'D BE NICE WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THIS TO, TO HELP US OUT WITH SOME OF ALL THAT GREAT MONEY THEY'RE EARNING WHEN WE'RE KIND OF JUST LEFT HERE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.
SO, AND IF I'M PUTTING ON A SHOT CLOCK, AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, I'LL JUST VOTE.
NO, BECAUSE IF ANYONE TELLS ME I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, I'LL JUST VOTE NO IN PRINCIPLE AND BE LIKE, I'M OUT.
SO IF THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT, YOU JUST GET A NO VOTE FOR ME AND THEN THE COUNTY, AND WE CAN JUST FIGURE IT OUT AT SOME OTHER POINT.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL AT SUCH TIME THAT THE THIRD PART OF THE DEAL COMES UP, UM, FROM THE COUNTY.
I'LL SECOND THAT, UM, I LIKE CONNECTING IT TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT'S MISSING AND IT UNDERSTAND THIS AS A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNTY.
THAT DEAL IS A PRIORITY FOR US.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE QUICKLY.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY ABOUT PERIODS AT ALL IN OPPOSED.
IT'S JUST A CONCERN THAT ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY, I COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON, I COUNCIL MEMBER MANDY BY MIRAMAX SNIDER COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON, MAYOR PRO TEM TANTAROS COUNCIL MEMBER, DAN THORTON MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
WAS THAT IT FOR YOU? YOU DONE GOT YOU UP BEFORE 10.
[11.2 Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-005 accepting the dedication of approximately 3.4 acres of parkland, more particularly described as Lot 26, Block A, DURANGO FARMS PHASE 1, a subdivision in Williamson County, Texas, according to the map or plat thereof recorded in Document No. 2020131845, Official Public Records of Williamson County, Texas, pursuant to the Second Amended and Restated Development Agreement between the City of Hutto and MA Durango Farms, LLC. ]
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 5.ACCEPTING THE DEDICATION OF APPROXIMATELY 3.4 ACRES OF PARKLAND.
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 26 BLOCK A DURANGO FARMS PHASE ONE, A SUBDIVISION IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, ACCORDING TO THE MAP OR PLAT THEREOF RECORDED IN DOCUMENT NUMBER 20 21 3 1-845-OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS PURSUANT TO THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HADOW AND M AND A DURANGO FARMS, LLC.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO APPROVE 11 TWO IS PRESENTED OUTSIDE MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER,
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VILLAREAL, SALVO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUTTON APPROVED YOUR COUNSEL.I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING TO THAT MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR, TO SIGN THE DEED THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
IF YOU JUST APPROVE IT AS IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT I ALWAYS LIKED TO HAVE IT THE MOTION TO OH, OKAY.
DID WE EVER FIGURE OUT IF, UM, THE MONEY COMING FROM THE PID CAN BE USED OUTSIDE OF THE PIT, BUT THIS IS INSIDE THE PIT BOUNDARY SO WE CAN USE SOME OF THAT FUNDING FOR THE PARK, CORRECT? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, MAKE SURE.
YOU KNOW, JUST GOT YOU ON EMOTION.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY YOU MADE THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VILLEREAL SILVA MADE THE MOTION CUSTOMER SENTENCE, SECOND EVENT.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED DECIDED ANY LONG RANGE PLANS, BUT NOW THAT IT'S OFFICIALLY DEDICATED AS PARKLAND, DO WE HAVE A SHORT TERM PLAN FOR MAINTAINING THIS PROPERTY? AND WE CONSIDERED THAT AT ALL YET? NO, BECAUSE WE WILL ENTERTAIN IT.
UM, COULD WE, SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING, COULD WE MAYBE SEE THIS GO TO PARKS ADVISORY BOARD NEXT WEEK? UM, FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE 3.4 ACRES AND, UM, TALK WITH THEM ABOUT NAMING, UM, AND THEN MAINTENANCE PROPOSALS FOR COUNCIL AT THE NEXT MEETING OR NEXT MONTH OR WHATEVER.
Y'ALL THINK THE TIMELINE COULD BE.
WE HAVE A NEW PARK SUPERINTENDENT COMING ON BOARD AND SO WHITE JACQUELINE.
BACK TO THE MOTION AT HAND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ACCEPTING THE DEDICATION AS PARKLAND HEARING? NONE POLICE CALLED THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER ROBINSON.
I MAY HAVE PRETEND TANTAROS BY COUNCIL MEMBER, CRYSTAL KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER, MANDY .
HI MAYOR MIKE SNYDER, COUNCIL MEMBER DAN THORNTON, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
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RIGHT.THAT BRINGS US TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE ITEM 12, ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
ONE RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS, ITEM 12 TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 AND DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 5 5 1 DASH 0 8 7 TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT PROJECT.
ACROPOLIS 12 THREE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
ONE RELATING TO THE CREATION OF THE HARVEST FARMS, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT ITEM 12 FOR DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN FOUR PERSONNEL MATTERS THE DUTIES OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I WAS ASKED BY THE DEVELOPER TO TABLE ITEM 12, THREE.
WE'LL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER JUST WANTED, UH, TO TAKE NO ACTION ON IT.
THEN WE'LL GO BACK THERE AT 9 28.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
YOU COULD JUST, UM, TAKE ACTION UNDER THE 13.3.
THEN I'LL GO IN ON HARVEST FARM.
SO AT 9:28 PM, WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, FIGHT THEM 12 1 12, 2 AND 12 FOUR.
WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE ITEM 13, ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE PER UH, SORRY.
LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
ONE RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LIGA REQUESTS, MAYOR COUNCIL THERE'S NO ACTION NECESSARY.
THERE WE'LL GO TO 13 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 AND DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE FIVE FIVE, ONE.ZERO EIGHT SEVEN TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO A BUSINESS PROSPECT PROJECT ACROPOLIS.
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I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ACTIONARY EITHER.RIGHT NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 13, THREE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO THE CREATION OF THE HARVEST FARMS, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT.
NO COUNSEL, THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY WANTED ME TO RELAY TO COUNSEL THAT THEY'RE REGROUPING INTERNALLY WITH THE WALTHER FAMILY, THE LANDOWNERS, FOLLOWING THE HOLIDAYS AND WORKING TO ASSEMBLE THE WASTEWATER SCR ENGINEERING FOR INFORMATION THAT'S OUTSTANDING.
AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL NOT TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO READ THAT IN THE RECORD, SINCE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S LACKING ON THIS PROJECT AND THERE ADDITIONAL LAND IS CAUSING AN ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER ANALYSIS.
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 13 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO THE DUTIES OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
I JUST WANT TO PART OF WHAT WE WENT OVER.
UM, AS YOU WERE THE OUTGOING INTERIM ACTING CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING IN LIKE A BUILDING ON FIRE.
WE ASKED YOU TO COME IN AND HANDLE THINGS, UH, WHILE WE, UH, RIGHT DURING ALL YOUR VACATION TO AND HOLIDAYS, RIGHT.
WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO DO THINGS.
SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID AND PUTTING UP WITH US.
YOU STILL HERE, IT'S NOT GOING WELL.
AT LEAST I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING AWAY.
I SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT ISAAC.
I SAID, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK OUT TO THE NEW YEAR, BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL, ANY OTHER ITEMS, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 10:21 PM ON JANUARY SIX.