* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. COOL. [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. I SHOW THAT IT IS 7 0 3. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL CALL THIS SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR FEBRUARY 1ST, 2022 TO ORDER AT 7:03 PM. ROLL CALL. UH, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE A RANDALL CLARK PRESENT. DAVID MEYER, NOT PRESENT JERRICK, A LAWYER PRESENT BRIAN LEE PRESENT COURT, KIRK. WOW. WHAT SHOULD THAT ONE HURT? SHORT FIGURE PRESENT AND MYSELF RICK HUDSON SUSANNA. AND I MISS SUZANNE. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP. WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW I DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FOR ITEM 4.3. IS THAT WHEN YOU, UH, FOR MS. GINA CHIN. OKAY, PERFECT. UH, ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. THEN WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO AGENDA ITEM 4.1 CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 4TH, 2022. AND WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST HAD A SMALL QUESTION. SO FOR FOUR, THREE, UM, I KNOW IT WASN'T PART OF THE MOTION THAT WE MADE, BUT, UM, I KNOW PART OF THE CITY AGREEMENT WHEN WE HAD HAD THE DISCUSSION HAD THE STIPULATION, UH, ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD WITHIN THAT FOR FIVE YEARS. UM, BUT APPARENTLY THAT WAS PART OF A SEPARATE CITY AGREEMENT IN MARCH OF 2020. UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ENSURE THAT AS A NOTE THAT'S ADDED TO THE MINUTES? SO THAT WAY, WHEN WE REALLY LOOK AT THEM IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL, WE'LL NOTE ABOUT THAT AGREEMENT. CERTAINLY WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. UM, WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGE AND THEN I'LL CALL YOU AND WE HAVE A READY FOR A SIGNATURE. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED WITH THE PROVISION THAT COMMISSIONER MADE. RIGHT. SECOND. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITION AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER. OH, THAT WAS BOYER. ALRIGHT, MESSING UP. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENT QUESTION DISCUSSION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO, NEXT ITEM 4.2 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE MOST SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 2 0 8 WEST AUSTIN AVENUE AND 2 0 1 WEST FRONT STREET TO ALLOW A WAREHOUSE USE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, THIS REQUEST. UM, YOU ALSO HAVE IT LATER ON IN YOUR AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR REPLANT, IT'S A 0.6, THREE ACRE PARCEL. IT'S MADE UP OF SEVERAL LOTS IN AN ALLEYWAY IN THE OLD TOWN ADDITION, I HAD ZONED SPECIAL DISTRICT A IT'S IN THE OLD TOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL. SO THE REPLANTING IT SO THAT THEY CAN BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROJECT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, BUT THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS STRICTLY FOR A WAREHOUSE USE IN THE SPECIAL DISTRICT. THEY ARE PROPOSING TO 12,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SHOWROOM AND WAREHOUSE. THEY HAVE PROVIDED A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. IT'S STILL QUITE A WAYS OFF. IT'S NOT GONE THROUGH OUR SITE PLAN PROCESS OR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, BUT THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP TO SEE IF THEY CAN EVEN DO THE USE. UM, SO THEY DO HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE FOR THAT. THIS IS THE AREA THEY DO HAVE FRONTAGE ON WEST FRONT STREET AND UH, AUSTIN AVENUE. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE JUST EAST OF THE POLICE STATION. THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SHOWS ACCESS ON TO AUSTIN AND TO FRONT. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL STILL VERY PRELIMINARY. WE HAVE TO RUN IT THROUGH FIRE LANES AND LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED, BUT CONCEPTUALLY, THIS IS THE SIZE AND SOME OF THE PARKING AREAS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, [00:05:03] WE SENT OUT NOTIFICATION TO 69 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DID RECEIVE ONE BACK IN FAVOR. WE DO HAVE A, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH THE CONDITION. OF COURSE, THAT HPC MUST GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FIRST. UH, THE APPLICANTS MUST MEET ALL THE SITE DESIGN CRITERIA. ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY IS PERMITTED OFF OF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE. CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO CURB CUTS EXISTING. UM, THE REPLAT OF THE PROPERTY IS APPROVED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE SITE PLAN PERMIT ISSUANCE. AND THERE SHOULD BE NO OPEN STORAGE ON THE LOT. THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE TO, OKAY, THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:08 PM. AND I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE THE ONE IN FAVOR, BUT DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, WELL HEARING NONE, I WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:09 PM AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE. WELL, MY FIRST THOUGHT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP TRUCKS OFF OF AUSTIN AVENUE BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT I SEE, AND THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN, UM, TO STARTING OUT BECAUSE THAT STREET'S NOT HANDLED FOR THAT. UM, AND WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE ON THAT STREET, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH WITH TRAFFIC COMING FROM US AN AVENUE FOR SOMETHING ELSE WE APPROVED LAST MONTH. UM, AND SO I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ON EVEN HOW THIS DRIVEWAY IS CONSTRUCTED. HOW'S THIS NOT GONNA, EVEN IF IT'S ACCIDENTAL, HAVE LOTS OF TRUCKS GETTING OUT ONTO WEST AUSTIN AVENUE. SO THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT ADDRESSED. AND I'D LIKE TO DOVETAIL ON THAT. ONCE THEY GET ON TO AUSTIN, THEY HAVE ONE PLACE TO GO. SURE. AND THAT'S 1660 SOUTH OF THE TRACKS THAT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE FOR A BIG RIG OR MERGE INTO TRAFFIC. AND IT MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION TO ASK THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE, THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THEY, THEY ANTICIPATE. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE MORE OF A LOCAL OR IF IT'S GOING TO BE LARGER TRUCKS. UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS REKHA KEEPERS. UM, I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. I'M THE OWNER OF KEEPERS, LAND PLANNING AND PERMITTING, UM, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS. THIS IS THE OWNER OWNS AN APPLIANCE COMPANY, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LARGE TRUCKS. UM, BUT SINCE THERE IS FURNITURE ON BOTH STREETS, I KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO BE VISIBLE MAINLY IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING FRONTAGE ON AUSTIN AVENUE. UM, BUT OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON SAFETY PROTOCOLS. AND OF COURSE, SO HE ISN'T, HE IS A LOCAL, UM, HE LIVES IN HADOW AND JUST WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING CLOSER, UM, FOR HIS COMPANY. SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TYPE OF VEHICLES OR TRUCKS, I THINK, I THINK THE CONCERN WAS JUST BASED ON, I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW. WE'RE REALLY ONLY APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. BUT WITH THIS PLAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS BASED ON THE FLOW. IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FULL-SIZE SEMI-TRUCKS IN HERE, UM, SPACED ON TURNING RADIUSES AND EVERYTHING, THEY WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO USE AUSTIN AVENUE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND THAT CAN CAUSE SOME ISSUES JUST BASED ON HOW THAT ROADS CURRENTLY SET UP AND HOW THERE REALLY IS ONLY ONE ADEQUATE EXIT OFF ONTO 1660, BECAUSE THE OTHER, THE OTHER ROAD, UM, IS, IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH TRACKS. SO, YEAH. UM, SO THE QUESTION PROBABLY IS MORE LIKE, IS LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU FEEL WOULD BE LIKE FULL SEMI-TRUCKS OR VERSUS LOCAL DELIVERY, SMALLER TRUCKS YOU ALL KIND OF ARE SEEING, OH, I WAS SAYING KIND OF LIKE A U HAUL, YOU KNOW, SIZE TRUCK, WHEN YOU THINK OF LIKE THE SMALLER DELIVERY TRUCKS. YES. THAT IS THE NORM FOR, UM, HIS COMPANY. HE DOESN'T OWN ANY SEMIS ARE 18 DEALERS WHATSOEVER. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. OKAY. BUT IF IT'S AN APPLIANCE, UH, STORAGE WHERE I'M ASSUMING HE'S GETTING DELIVERIES FROM LARGER, SO HOW ARE THEY DELIVERING THOSE? LET ME CLARIFY. SO THEY, THEY REPAIR APPLIANCES. YES. YEAH. SO IT'S MORE OF, THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PARTS [00:10:01] IN THEIR VEHICLE OR IN THEIR TRUCKS, BUT THEY DON'T, UM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DELIVER APPLIANCES. GOT IT. SO THE MOST DELIVERIES WOULD POSSIBLY BE LOCAL TO RETURN TO CUSTOMERS. OKAY. THAT CHANGES A LOT WITH SMALLER, SMALLER BOX VANS INSTEAD OF 40 FOOT TRAILERS. YEAH, EXACTLY. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT DRIVEWAYS. I KNOW ONE OF OUR STIPULATIONS WAS ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY OFF OF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE, WHICH IS PERFECT. SO THE SITE PLAN HAS WHAT IT'S LABELED AS A PRIVATE ROAD TO THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE WEST. RIGHT. SO THAT PRIVATE ROAD, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S ACTUALLY THE ACCESS POINT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY. IT IS. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF IT, IT LOOKS TO BE CROSSING THIS PROPERTY LINE. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL ALL HAVE TO GET SQUARED AWAY WITH THE SITE PLAN. UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME, SOME, UM, MINGLING OF ROADS IN THAT AREA. SO WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE, YEAH. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD STILL GET IN, EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO COME OFF AUSTIN AVENUE OR SOMETHING. DEFINITELY NOT GONNA LET THEM TAKE AWAY. I GUESS WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT. DEFINITELY NOT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, SO REAL QUICK THING ON BARRIERS OR, UM, FENCING. AND THIS IS PROBABLY FUTURE ONCE SITE PLANS COME IN, BUT JUST ENSURING THERE'S SOME TYPE OF BARRIER FENCING ALONG AUSTIN AVENUE, UM, IN BETWEEN THE ACTUAL ACCESS POINTS, JUST TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VISUAL BREAK SURE. WHERE THERE'S THAT EXISTING CURB THAT, BUT ALSO JUST ALONG THE WHOLE BACK, CAUSE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL THAT WILL BE FRONTING THE STREET WITH POTENTIAL, SOMETHING ELSE BEHIND IT. I'M PRETTY SURE RIGHT NOW COMMERCIAL IS ACTUALLY TO THE SOUTH OF THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE, SOME SORT OF SCREENING, SCREENING SCREENING. YES. THOSE SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PARKING LOT. GOT IT. RIGHT. AND ALL OF THE STORAGE OF THE APPLIANCES AND PARTS AND EVERYTHING WILL ALL BE INSIDE THE WAREHOUSE. THERE WON'T BE ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE. YES MA'AM THAT'S CORRECT. YES. AND I THINK THIS IS A NEEDED THING TO HAVE LOCAL REPAIR OF APPLIANCES WITH THE CITY AND THAT'D BE A GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD THING. IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE IN HOW-TO TODAY. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S A HEDO RESIDENT. THAT'S CORINNE HIS BUSINESS HERE, WHICH IS AWESOME. THAT'S A GOOD THING. I WILL TELL HIM. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY FURTHER COMMENT, QUESTION DISCUSSION. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ARE THEY GOING TO BE, AS HE REPAIRS IT, IS HE GOING TO BE CAPTURING FREON OR ANYTHING FROM UNITS AND THEN HAVE THE POTENTIAL THAT THAT'S LEAKING OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE? SO ALL THE APPLIANCES ARE GOING TO BE REPAIRED IN PEOPLE'S HOMES. UM, HE'S WANTING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICES SO THAT HE CAN RENT THAT SPACE OUT TO LOCAL BUSINESSES. OKAY. AND IF HE HAS LIKE APPLIANCES THAT PEOPLE BRING INTO HIM THAT THEY REPAIR AND THEN THE PEOPLE NEVER COME TO PICK THEM UP, THEN HE'LL PROBABLY SELL THOSE. I KNOW I JUST SOLD A COMMERCIAL APPLIANCE PLACE IN FLORENCE LAST YEAR IN WE HAD TO GET RID OF A LOT OF STUFF. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, UNTIL HE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROTOCOLS OF DISPOSING OF ANY TYPE OF CHEMICALS THE RIGHT WAY. SO. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT HPC MUST GRANT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. FIRST THAT APPLICANT MUST MEET ALL SITE DESIGN CRITERIA THAT ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY WILL BE OFF WEST AUSTIN AVENUE AND THAT THE REPLAT IS APPROVED AND RECORDED PRIOR TO THE SITE PLAN, PERMIT ISSUANCE AND NO OPEN STORAGE OF ANY MATERIAL. ALL RIGHT. AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK WITH, UH, THE INCLUSION OF THE STAFF NOTES FOR THE AGENDA ITEM REPORT AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER. ANY FURTHER QUESTION, COMMENT OR DISCUSSION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE [00:15:01] ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. NOW LET'S DO ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 32 50 LIMOR LOOP TO ALLOW OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY USE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE LOCATION. IT'S 32 50 LIMRA LOOP IT'S CHRIST THE ROCK CHURCH. UM, JUST NORTH OF LIMOR LOOP, JUST WEST OF 1660. AND SO THE STAR LOCATION ON THE AERIAL IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE USE. THE APPLICANT IS, UM, WORKING WITH THE CHURCH TO REQUEST, UM, AN OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY. AND SO THE OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY, THEY UTILIZE, UM, METAL CONEXES FOR CONTAINERS. AND THEN THEY PUT DOWN, UM, IN OUTDOOR CARPET AREA AND IT'S BASICALLY A STORAGE FACILITY. THEN THEY HAVE CLASSES, UM, AND THEY PUT IT ALL BACK AWAY. UH, SO IT'S A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, THE CHURCH, IF IT WAS JUST THE CHURCH'S PROJECT, THEY COULD HAVE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THE PORTABLE UNIT, BUT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED. SO IT HAS TO COME IN WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RECREATION. UH, THEY HAVE A SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT AND ROUND ROCK AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME CONDITIONS, UM, THAT STAFF FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT ON TO THIS. THEY ARE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY THAN A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE STILL PRETTY CLOSE. AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS ARE STILL FAIR, UH, TO PUT THAT ON THERE ABOUT THEIR OPERATING HOURS AND THEN CERT PROHIBITING CERTAIN LOUD NOISES. AND THEN, UM, JUST, UM, I WANTED TO MOVE IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AS WELL, BUT THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN WHERE THEY HAVE THE GREEN BOX. IT'S JUST A IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LINE TO THE CHURCH. AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN ANOTHER SLIDE, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IF THEY PUSH THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK SO THAT THEY'RE EVEN WITH THE PARKING LOT. AND SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH PARKING ON THE GRASS OR CROSSING OVER THAT. I THINK THAT WAS A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION. UH, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THEIR FACILITY IN ROUND ROCK TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. UH, WE DID SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO 82 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET. WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES AND OPPOSITION. AND YOU HAD THOSE IN YOUR PACKET. UM, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SUP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE STIPULATE, THE HOURS, THE HOURS PER THE UDC OR NINE TO NINE, THIS BODY COULD ADJUST THAT THEY SEE FIT. UH, NO PARKING ON THE GRASS CAN NOT HAVE LOUD SPEAKERS OR EQUIPMENT THAT EMITS AUDIBLE SIGNAL SIGNALS SUCH AS BEEPS, BUZZERS, AND BELLS. THAT WOULD BE AUDIBLE OFF THE SITE AND TO PUSH IT BACK LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH FURTHER NORTH. SO IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE GRASS CROSSING. UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND I KNOW THAT THEY CAN ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:21 PM. MR. HUDSON, I BELIEVE YOU ALSO HAVE A, YES, I DO HAVE A CARD. UH, SO THAT IS, UH, MS. GINA CHEN. UH, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO HONESTLY, MY CONCERNS, THIS IS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND SO ME AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE A LITTLE CONCERNED JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE CONCERNED ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE HOUR. SO I'M VERY HAPPY THAT IT'S NINE TO NINE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST WORRIED TO BE LIKE FIVE IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND WE'D FEEL GUILTY WHILE WE WERE SITTING IN OUR BEDS DOING NOTHING AND THEY'RE WORKING OUT. UM, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE LACK OF LOUD SPEAKERS. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE LOCATION CHANGE EFFECTS IS, DOES THAT MAKE IT FARTHER FROM OUR, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOU. IT JUST MAKES IT WORK BETTER ON THE SIDE. I THINK WITH, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA AFFECT THE NOISE. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT THING. I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT MY DOGS BARKING ALL DAY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING AND THEN I AM LOSING MY MIND. SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT ON THIS. THANK YOU CERTAINLY. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. DID ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SPEED? AND SINCE I DON'T HAVE A CARD FOR YOU, CAN I GET YOUR NAME, SIR? [00:20:01] YEAH. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS . I'M THE OWNER OF WHO WOULD BE THAT FITNESS FACILITY. SO, UH, JUST, UH, UH, ADDRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. ONE, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING LOUDSPEAKERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, WE'D BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. OBVIOUSLY. I DON'T WANT YOU HERE IN NOISE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE VERY, UH, LIKE A SMALL NICHED FACILITY. IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF CHILDREN, SO WE'RE NOT LIKE GOING TO BE BLASTING MUSIC OR ANYTHING. YES. WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE MUSIC HERE AND THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE CONTAINED. SO THE NEIGHBORS WON'T HEAR IT. I CAN DEF AND IF YOU EVER DID JUST COME ON OVER AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUME OR WHATEVER IS, UH, LOW ENOUGH SO THAT YOU DON'T HEAR IT. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY PROMISE THAT YOU HAVE MY WORD. UM, THE ONLY SMALL THING THAT I NOTICED ON THERE NINE TO 9:00 PM, WE DON'T EVEN STAY THAT LATE. BUT, UM, THE THING IS WE DO SOMETIMES RUN PERSONAL TRAINING, UH, LIKE EARLY MORNING. I MIGHT HAVE CLIENTS AT LIKE, NOT 5:00 AM. I THINK THE EARLIEST I DO AT 6:00 AM, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PLAYING MUSIC. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING. IT'S, UM, EVERYTHING'S SOLAR TOO, SO THAT THEY, THEY ALREADY COME THERE LIKE, UM, THE, UH, BOXES THEY'RE CALLED LIKE MOBILE GYMS AND THEY JUST HAVE THESE HUGE OVERHEAD DOORS THAT OPEN UP AND THEN WE CAN WHEEL OUR LITTLE EQUIPMENT OUT AND THEN PUT IT RIGHT BACK IN THERE. UM, YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. UM, I WAS TALKING WITH THE PASTOR AS WELL. IF THE CONCERN IS LIKE NOISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LIKE WE COULD ALSO GO IN FRONT OF THOSE POWER LINES AS WELL, WHICH HE IS FINE WITH CLOSER TO THE STREET WHERE NOBODY'S GOING TO HEAR US. UM, SO WE'RE FINE WITH EITHER. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, I'M NOT SURE IF HE, HE PREFERS THAT HE EITHER WAY, BUT, UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE NOISE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR IT, BUT, UH, ESPECIALLY A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY, THERE'S, THAT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE OR OUR LOCATION IS THERE. WE'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK, UH, 40 YARDS AWAY AND NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HEAR US, SO WE'RE EVEN CLOSER TO IT, BUT THAT'S IT. IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ASK, ANSWER THEM FOR YOU. RIGHT. UH, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:25 PM AND OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE DIET. DO WE KNOW? I SEE, UM, THE TWO PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED, UM, OBJECTIONS, IT JUST SAYS I OBJECT. THERE'S NO REASON OR ANY CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE OR ANYTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. UM, THE SECOND WOULD BE, UM, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DOES THIS, DOES IT WORK FOR THEM? IF WE HOLD THE 9:00 AM FIXED TIME? LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE IT WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE PRODUCT? UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AS A BODY AS IF WE'RE EVEN GOING TO ALLOW A CHANGE IN THE TIME AND IF WE'RE NOT, THEN ARE THEY OKAY WITH THAT? OR ARE THEY GOING TO WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST? SO TO ADD ONTO THAT COMMENT, UM, MOST OUTDOOR RECREATION PLACES DO START AT FIVE OR 6:00 AM EVERYONE THAT I'VE SEEN. UM, SO WHERE EXACTLY IS THE 9:00 AM RULE? IS IT IT'S IN OUR UDC? SO I PROVIDED IT. THIS IS WHAT OUTDOOR RECREATION CONDITION, IF IT'S WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO I JUST PROVIDED IT FOR YOU TO HAVE A STARTING POINT AND A DISCUSSION. DOES IT WORK? IS IT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KEEP, BUT IT'S IN OUR UDC? SO MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW FOR A FACT THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT MEET ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES AT 6:00 AM. SO, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OR YARDS OF A RESIDENTIAL. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS FOR THAT, BUT MAYBE THERE ARE, I, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE THEY, IS THAT A VIOLATION OF UDC OR IS IT BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY ON ESTABLISHED PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE, I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE A STRUCTURE AND THEY DIDN'T ASK, RIGHT. THE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE TRUE PORTABLE ONES THAT THEY SET UP A TABLE AND SOME KNOTS, AND THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY STRUCTURE. SO I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW, NO, THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S LITERALLY SOMEBODY PULLS THEIR EQUIPMENT OUT OF THEIR VEHICLE AND GOES RIGHT. BUT MY POINT IS THAT THOSE ARE THERE AT 6:00 AM. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ADJUST THIS TO ALLOW STARTING AT 6:00 AM, BUT FOR THAT, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS LOCATION BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'LL PROPOSE LOCATION TO MOVE IT FURTHER BACK TO LINE WITH THE BUILDING FRONTAGE AND TO LINE UP WITH THE PARKING, MAKE SENSE. BUT IF WE'RE MOVING IT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENCES, [00:25:01] THEN MAKING THE TIME EARLIER MIGHT NOT WORK ANYMORE. SO YOU STILL GET ABOUT 160 FEET EVEN WITH THE MOVE, EVEN WITH THE NEW LOCATION. OKAY. AND REALLY THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED BASED ON THEIR SETUP, THEIR ACTUAL MODULAR BUILDINGS ARE BLOCKING THE SOUND BECAUSE THE BACKS WERE ACTUALLY TO ALL THEIR RESIDENCES AND PROVIDING THEIR OWN BUFFER. YEAH. JUST THOUGHTS. I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE ZBA TO GET THE, THE CHANGE OF THE NINE, IF THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE UDC? NO. THE UDC ACTUALLY HAS THE STIPULATION FOR CLOSERS AND 100. SO I PUT IT IN AS GUIDELINES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT. THESE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT YOU CAN USE. YOU CAN TAKE ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS AWAY OR ADD SOME ADDITIONAL, THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT FOR YOU ALL. I THINK HE WANTS TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AGAIN. IS THAT OKAY? HE WANTS TO COME BACK UP AND SPEAK AGAIN. IS THAT OKAY? OH YEAH. QUESTION QUESTIONS FOR THE D FROM THE DEVELOPER. WHY NOT? ACTUALLY, I'M JUST, I'M JUST JIM SCRATCHY. I GO BY SKI. I'M THE PASTOR. SO I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. THANKS. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY DON'T PREFER PEOPLE TO PARK ON OUR GRASS. UH, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PARKING LOT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOURS, THE ONLY TIME, IT MAY RUN INTO A LITTLE BIT ISSUE OF AN ISSUE FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT, WHICH I DON'T REALLY THINK IT IS, IS ON THURSDAY MORNINGS WHEN WE RUN OUR MOMMY AND ME PROGRAM. UH, BUT NICK AND TRACY ARE SO GOOD. ANYBODY WHO'S GONNA COME, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PARK IN OUR PARKING LOT. CAUSE THAT'D BE MY OTHER CONCERN FOR LIKE YOUR HOUSING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK ON THE GRASS, BE ROLLING IN AND PUTTING THEIR HEADLIGHTS, YOUR HOUSE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT. THAT'S WHY WE THINK THAT FIELD IS SO GOOD. UH, IT'S A LOT OF SPACE THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE. AND TO BE HONEST, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON OUR SIDE, LIKE WE'RE A CHURCHES IN OUR SIDE OF THE CITY OVER THERE THAT THERE'S NOTHING FOR LIKE FAMILIES AND EXERCISE AND THINGS. AND THESE GUYS ARE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GONNA LET THEM BE NEAR OUR CHURCH, THEY'RE PHENOMENAL WITH KIDS, PHENOMENAL WITH FAMILY THINGS, UH, FAMILY WORKOUTS, UH, WE'RE IN THE WORKS OF, OF TRYING TO GET THIS THING THROUGH. SO WE CAN DO A CAMP FOR THE COMMUNITY WITH FITNESS AND STUFF FOR THE SUMMER. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THE TABLE TO JUST, WE BELIEVE BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIDS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, CAUSE WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO COME AND THE KIDS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO AFTER SCHOOL. UH, THEIR PROGRAMS AFTER SCHOOL ARE GREAT, UH, WITH KIDS. SO I DON'T, I APPRECIATE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE. YOU KNOW, I THINK OF LIKE A, AND I DON'T MEAN TO MINIMIZE NICK WHAT NICK AND TRACY ARE DOING CAMP GLADIATOR. UH, THEY DON'T HAVE NOISE AND STUFF OUT THERE IN THE MORNING EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE GRUNTING AND THROWING UP. RIGHT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE REALLY RESPECTFUL CAUSE WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. WE TRY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO THANKS FOR, FOR HEARING TO HEAR FROM ME NOW WITH THE 6:00 AM START, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT SOME SORT OF STIPULATION ON THERE ABOUT LIGHTING BECAUSE IF IT'S 6:00 AM IN JANUARY, THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 6:00 AM IN JULY. AND I WOULD NOT WANT SOME HALOGEN LIGHTS LIGHTING UP THE FIELD AND SHINING IN MY BACK WINDOWS, UM, TO THE PHOTO TO SEE THE OTHER FACILITY. AND DO YOU MIND COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT YOUR LIGHTING AND KIND OF POINTING TO THAT SO WE CAN SEE IT, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED REALLY ANY LIGHTING WE DO HAVE TO, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY LIT UP. SO HE HAS, UM, THE POLE PARKING LOT HAS THE BIG LIGHTS IN IT AND THEY'RE ON THE BUILDING. SO IT'S OUR TWO SMALL LIGHTS. THERE'S ONLY TWO SMALL THAT JUST KIND OF SHUTTING ON THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN THERE'S SOLAR LIGHTS THAT ARE INSIDE THE CONTAINER THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE. UM, SO YEAH, AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING IT'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THOSE OUTSIDE LIGHTS, CAUSE THERE WILL EVEN MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALREADY LIT UP IF, UH, IF YOU DRIVE BY THE CHURCH AT NIGHT, IT'S, IT'S ALL LIT UP ALREADY. SO THEY'RE MORE OF A PORCH LIGHT TO THEM. YEAH. OH YEAH. IT'S I MEAN, THEY'RE LITERALLY THIS BIG AND THEY'RE JUST RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EACH CONTAINER. THERE'S TWO OF THEM AND THAT'S IT. AND IT DOESN'T LIGHT UP ANYTHING PAST THAT LITTLE TURF, BUT ONCE ALL OF THAT LIGHTING AND ANYTHING IS GOING TO BE FACING THE FACING, WON'T BE FACING THE HOUSES ANYWAYS. IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE FACING THE STREET. SO THE BACKUP WILL ONLY BE FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. EVEN IF YOU DID PLAY MUSIC, IT'S ALREADY BEING BLOCKED BY THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE. CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE SHOOTING FOR THE FRONT, [00:30:01] BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T PLAY LOUD MUSIC TO BEGIN WITH. IT'S LIKE LITTLE KIDS, SO YOU GOTTA BE TALKING TO THEM. IF WE'RE PLAYING LOUD, BAILEY'S LIKE THE KIDS AREN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SOME MIGHT PLAY A LITTLE COUNTRY MUSIC HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. SO WHAT ARE THOUGHTS ABOUT 6:00 AM? AND THEN WHAT ABOUT END TIME? WHAT IS YOUR END TIME? USUALLY WE'RE DONE AT SEVEN. UM, RIGHT NOW WE DO RUN A, UM, A YOGA CLASS AT, UH, UM, AND IT CHANGES TIMES CAUSE IT'S, IT GOES OFF OF A SUNSET. SO IT'S CALLED LIKE SUNSET YOGA ONCE A WEEK, BUT THERE'S NO MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND UH, RIGHT NOW SHE'S DOING, I THINK LIKE SIX 30 TO SEVEN 30 OR SEVEN 30 TO LIKE 7 45. AND THAT'S IT. THE ONLY THING WE WOULD DO LIKE IN THE MORNING IS WE DO LIKE OUR PERSONAL TRAINING. WE DON'T EVEN PLAY MUSIC BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE SUMMER OF PEOPLE'S WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB ANYBODY LIKE THAT. IT'S VERY CALM WHEN WE, WE, WE GO, BUT I WOULD SAY 6:00 AM TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE SAFE NINE, BUT I'M EIGHT O'CLOCK IS TYPICALLY, WE'RE ALWAYS, EVEN WITH PEOPLE AFTER CLASS, IF THEY'RE TALKING OR SOMETHING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GONE BY EIGHT. SO EVEN IN THE SUMMERTIME. OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WELL IT'S A FAMILY GYM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WE GOT FAMILIES LIKE I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING LATE NIGHT CLASSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO EVEN IF SOMEBODY WANTED SOMETHING THERE, WE TELL THEM NO WE'RE GOING TO BE HOME BY WITH OUR FAMILY AT SEVEN, EIGHT O'CLOCK SO, BUT YEAH, WE'RE DONE WE'RE RIGHT NOW. OUR LATEST IS SEVEN OTHER THAN THE LADY ONCE A WEEK DOES YOGA SIX 30 TO SEVEN 30, BUT THERE'S NO MUSIC OR ANYTHING FOR THAT EITHER. OKAY. SO I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OBJECTIONS, UH, WITHOUT ANY REAL RATIONALE BEHIND IT, BUT MS. CHEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF A SUNRISE TO SUNSET 6:00 AM TO PROBABLY 8:00 PM. NOW IT PUTS YOU ON THE SPOT IF DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. THAT'S FINE. IT WAS JUST, WE WERE JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW AND YOUR IT'S YOUR HOUSE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PERSONAL TRAINING IS FINE. LIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT WON'T BE NOISY. UM, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE LIGHTS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN TOO. AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIGHTS THERE NOW, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD TO THAT. SO THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE EIGHT O'CLOCK WILL BE FINE. I'M NOT TOTALLY BELIEVING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR IT THOUGH, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS SO CLOSE TO ME THAT IF THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF KIDS SCREAMING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST SOUND LIKE AN OLD LADY SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN MY KIDS WERE THE ONES SCREAMING, I WAS FINE WITH IT AND NOW I'M OLD AND NOW I'M LIKE, I DON'T WANT KIDS SCREAMING. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING. LIKE I THINK, I THINK THAT TIME IS FINE AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR LAND, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE HOW RECEPTIVE THEY'RE BEING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THIS IN THIS AREA, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS THERE IN SCHOOL STARTS, THEY DROP OFF AT SEVEN 10. SO IT'S NOT, I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF NAME, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE MOVING AT THAT TIME NOW, GRANTED NOT IN THE SUMMER, BUT, UM, UM, SO THAT'S MY, MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN STIPULATE HOURS, THEY CAN BE A FULL CLASS. IT HAS TO BE A ONE-ON-ONE OR PERSONAL AFTER, TILL A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE NUMBER OR SOMETHING, OR IS THAT TOO RESTRICTIVE? PROBABLY. I THINK THAT'D PROBABLY BE TOO RESTRICTIVE. YEAH. IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO MANAGE. YEAH. SO WHEN Y'ALL PLAN ON DOING THE SUMMER CAMP, WHAT TIME ARE Y'ALL WANTING TO START? THAT CHILDREN'S STUFF IN THE, IN THE SUMMER IT'S GOTTA BE, UH, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE IT GETS WAY TOO HOT. SO WE, UH, LAST SUMMER WE DID, UH, I THINK 10:00 AM AND, UH, IT JUST GOES FOR LIKE TWO HOURS, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR KIDS SUMMER CAMP IS, BUT WORST CASE I CAN MAYBE SEEN GETTING IT MOVE TILL NINE, BUT KIDS AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE BY 9:00 AM IN THE SUMMER. SO YEAH. 10:00 AM TO NOON IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR AND IT WORKED OUT FINE. OKAY. MAYBE WE DO NINE 30, BUT YEAH. [00:35:01] YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? NO, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ON SUNDAY AND WE ONLY IN ON SATURDAY IT WOULD JUST BE, UH, RIGHT NOW WE DO EIGHT TO 10 OR EIGHT TO 11. I'M SORRY, EIGHT TO 11 ON SATURDAY. IT'S HONESTLY ONLY LIKE THREE, FOUR HOURS A DAY THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE THERE. BUT BASICALLY WE'LL, UH, TYPICALLY DO, UH, SOMETHING AT LIKE SIX, TWICE A WEEK IS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE DO EITHER EIGHT 30 OR NINE, 15 IN THE MORNING. AND THEN WE COME BACK, UH, AFTER SCHOOL THREE TILL ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, WE DO NOTHING IN THE, ON FRIDAYS, IN THE EVENING AND NOTHING ON SUNDAYS. UM, I HAVE ONE, YOU HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO. SO YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE AN OPERATION WHEN THE CHURCH IS OPEN. YEAH. SO WE, WE ARE, WE SAY THAT AGAIN. YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE AN OPERATION. NO, NO. WHEN THE CHURCH RUN, WHEN THEY HAVE, WHEN THEY HAVE SERVICE, WE WON'T BE RUNNING ANYTHING. RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE OPEN, THE CHURCH'S OPEN AS WELL. YEAH. LIKE I THINK HE GETS THERE AT LIKE 5:00 AM. OKAY. WELL I'M IMAGINING THESE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF RESTROOM FACILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE, WE, UM, NICK AND I ANSWER THAT. YEAH. I DO HAVE A RESTROOM AT THAT ONE. I HA I IT'S A PORT-A-POTTY PORT-A-POTTY THAT IS JUST ON THE SIDE OF IT. SO THEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. YEAH. SO, SO WHEN HE FIRST APPROACHED US ABOUT THIS, I DIDN'T WANT A PORT-A-POTTY ON OUR PROPERTY. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS ALL OF OUR BUILDING IS KEYLESS. SO HE'LL ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A KEY, HE'LL BE ABLE TO SWIPE IN. IF THERE'S SO MANY CARS, ONE OF OUR CONCERNS ARE WE DON'T WANNA RUN POWER OUT THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO SEWAGE OUT THERE OR A PUMP PLUMBING OUT THERE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THIS REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE AS A PASTOR YESTERDAY. I REALLY LIKE PEOPLE COMING IN OUR BUILDING, UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M BIASED, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT BUILDING AND WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO PART OF THE DEAL IS, AND I, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT, THIS IS GOING TO SOUND HORRIBLE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A PORT-A-POTTY FITS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OF EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUR CHURCH. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING. AND AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURES GO, WE'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT TOO. THEY'RE GOING TO PAINT THEM TO LOOK LIKE THE DESIGN WITH OUR CHURCH AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT, I KNOW IT'S CRAZY. I WAS JOKING WITH ASHLEY. LIKE YOU GUYS TALK TO US THROUGH THE WHOLE BUILD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT SOMETHING UGLY UP THERE. UM, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND USE IT. SO THERE'LL BE FULL ACCESS TO OUR BUILDING, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BILLY, I DON'T WANT HIM BACK IN THE WEEDS, MAN. THERE'S RATTLESNAKES BACK THERE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED THAT. NO. WELL, WHILE YOU'RE UP, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, SO BASED ON THEM TALKING ABOUT THIS, I WOULD HOPEFULLY THINK THAT THIS WOULD GROW BECAUSE IT SHOULD, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE. AND SO WITH YOUR CURRENT 29 PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PARKING LOT, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR PARKING GROWTH WITH YOUR CURRENT SETUP? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THE TRANSMISSION LINES OUT FRONT, AND IF THIS IS NOW GOING TO BE TO THE WEST, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPACE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING IF NEEDED FOR BOTH THE CHURCH AND FOR THE IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. CAN WE REMOVE TREES? HMM. IT'S A SORE SPOT. I'M SORRY. IT'S A SORE SPOT. A SORE SPOT. UM, NO, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS ACTUALLY, UH, WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO IT'S A GOOD, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU IN THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS ON OUR LEADERS. YEAH. CAUSE MY BIG THOUGHT WAS JUST, I MEAN THE PLACEMENT SOUNDS GOOD. UBER PEOPLE FROM YOUR HOUSE TO IF ONLY TO FAR AWAY, BUT MY THOUGHT IS IF WE DO MOVE IT BACK WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, THEN YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU CAN ALMOST EVEN LIKE DUPLICATE YOUR CURRENT PARKING LOT TO THE WEST, SO YOU SHOULD BE GOOD. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM. GOOD. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON FOUR, THREE. SO I MAKE A MOTION AND LET ME SEE IF I CAPTURED EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SEP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, MAY OPERATE ONLY BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND 8:00 PM. UM, NO ADDITIONAL EXTERNAL LIGHTING POINTED TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE DURING EVENING HOURS, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WON'T, BUT, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, NO PARKING ON THE GRASS, UM, CANNOT HAVE LOUDSPEAKERS OR EQUIPMENT THAT EMITS AUDIBLE SIGNALS SUCH AS BEEPS, BUZZERS OR BELLS. THERE WILL BE AUDIBLE OFF THE SITE. UH, AND MUSIC SHOULD BE KEPT [00:40:01] TO A LEVEL THAT CAN NOT BE TOO LOUD FOR RESIDENTS. UM, AND THEN RELOCATE BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH, EVEN WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. I SECOND THAT, ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK WITH THE STAFF NOTES AND ADJUSTMENTS, ADDITIONS, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMENT QUESTIONS. UM, THE ONLY QUESTION IS JUST FOR THE, I GUESS, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY GOING AWAY FROM THE UDC, WE DIDN'T NEED TO GIVE THEM THE EXTRA HOUR TO NINE SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE BY EIGHT. WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT. WHAT ELSE HAD TO HAVE A CLARIFICATION? UM, DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT TO BE SIX TO NINE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY? YES, YES, YES. WAS IT SIX TO NINE OR SIX TO EIGHT? SO THEY HAVE TIME SO THAT NOT IN VIOLATION, IF THEY'RE STILL ON SITE HAVING TO CLEAN UP FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE PEOPLE WATCHING MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. YOU COULD HAVE A LATE SUNSET, THE SUNSET YOGA WITH THE LATE SUMMER IN JULY THAT COULD HIT VERY EASILY HIT EIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, AND ARE, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT AMENDMENT? AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. NEXT IS ITEM FOUR, FOUR, WHICH HAS BEEN PULLED BY THE APPLICANT. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.5 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR PROPOSED HUDDLE LANDING, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, 31.9 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS THE LANDING PUD. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTI-FAMILY AND I KNOW THAT THE, UH, YOU RECEIVED A LOT OF OPPOSITION AND ALL OF THE OPPOSITION STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S MULTIFAMILY. AND UNFORTUNATELY I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR IN THE NOTICE, UM, I THINK, BUT THEY ARE RE REQUESTING THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO ADDRESS LANDSCAPING ISSUES THAT THEY CANNOT MEET IN THE MULTI-FAMILY DESIGN STANDARDS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR ANYONE THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY REZONING, IT IS ALREADY ZONED MULTI-FAMILY. CAN YOU ALSO GIVE THE DATE THAT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED AS MULTIFAMILY? DO WE HAVE THAT? YEAH, IT GOES BACK TO 2006 ON THE IT'S NOT ON A 1983 ZONING MAP. UM, ACTUALLY THIS AREA OF THE CITY IS NOT EVEN ON THE 1980 REZONING MAP. UM, BUT IT IS ON THE 2006 ZONING MAP AND IT'S SHOWN AS OUR TWO, WHICH WAS OUR MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AT THAT TIME. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE. UH, IT'S NORTH OF A RECENT PUD. WE SAW A MONTH OR SO AGO, JUST NORTH OF THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION. UH, IT'S ABOUT 32 ACRES AND IT'S BEEN PRELIMINARY PLANTED. THE, AS I SAID, THE PUD IS TO ADDRESS LANDSCAPING CRITERIA FOR THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. UH, THE SITE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE YOU, IT IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE. SO MINOR MODIFICATIONS MAY BE MADE AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE OTHER PARTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DEDICATING AND CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF LIVE OAK. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE AMENITIES, INCLUDING A POOL AND THREE OF THE FOLLOWING BEING EXERCISE STATIONS, SPORTS COURTS, SPORTS FIELDS, AND A DOG PARK. SO THIS IS SMALL AND IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TREES AND SHRUBS. SO OUR CURRENT MULTIFAMILY REQUIREMENT IS 20% OF THE SITE. AND THAT 20% YOU DIVIDE BY 500 TIMES TWO. AND THAT'S HOW MANY LARGE TREES YOU GET. AND THEN YOU TIMES FOUR AND THAT'S HOW MANY SHRUBS. SO THIS SITE, THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'VE SHOWN, UH, THERE'S 527 TREES SHOWN. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO OVER A THOUSAND TREES ON THIS SITE. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT IN HALF, THEY HAVE ALSO PROPOSED TO REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING. SO WHERE YOU RE WE REQUIRE A NINE 18 PARKING ISLAND AT THE END OF EVERY 10 SPACES AND AT THE END. AND SO THEY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE MORE THAN 10 SPACES IN A ROW. AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE THAT OUT. THEY HAVE ALSO REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING FOR THE PARKING LOT, AND INSTEAD OF ONE LARGE TREE FOR 30 FEET, IT WOULD BE 60 FEET. UM, AND SO, AND THEN THE STRIKE THROUGHS ARE THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY THROAT REQUIREMENTS. SO [00:45:01] THEY'RE BASICALLY REDUCING THE LANDSCAPING WITH THE PUTT, AND THEN THEY'VE GIVEN US A COMMITMENT FOR SOME AMENITIES. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. AGAIN, THEY HAVE 453 LARGE TREES SHOWN AND THEN THE 148 SMALL TREES. THOSE ARE STILL TWO TO ONE RATIO. SO YOU CAN STILL USE THOSE. AND THEN OVER A THOUSAND SHRUBS AND THEY'VE GOT, UM, THE POOL SHOWN AND SOME INTERNAL WALKWAYS. UM, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DRAINAGE ON THIS SIDE. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, IF DONE WELL, CAN BE SOME PRETTY NICE OPEN SPACE WITH THOSE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS. UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED. WE SEND OUT THE NOTIFICATIONS TO ALL THE OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET. WE DID, UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE SEVEN IN OPPOSITION AND ONE IN FAVOR, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ONES I HANDED OUT THAT CAME IN LATER AFTER THE PACKET. UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE POD REQUESTS MEETS THE POD CRITERIA AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE HUDDLE LANDING PUD AS PRESENTED. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AND THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION, UM, TO SHOW YOU, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET THAT PRESENTATION PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? CERTAINLY LET ME JUST ONE SECOND. I HAVE THIS IS MY THING. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN. I'M WITH KIMLEY-HORN REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER OF THIS SITE. UM, WE ARE, UM, PROPOSING IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE LOCATED ON EXCHANGE BOULEVARD JUST NORTH OF 79. UM, THIS IS AN EXISTING ZONING MAP. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT AUTUMN HAS ALREADY MADE. UM, PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTI-FAMILY AND WITH THIS POD, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE USE, ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE DENSITY WE INTEND TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, UM, REQUIREMENTS. UM, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THE LANDSCAPING CODE. UM, AS AGAIN, THIS IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN AS AUTUMN MARTY SHOWED, YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEM RUNNING INTERNALLY, THE OPEN, UM, WE'VE GOT SPORTS FIELDS, PROPOSED DOG PARKS, WE'VE GOT A RESORT STYLE POOL. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AMPLE LANDSCAPING AND AMPLE OPEN SPACE. SO THIS IS, UM, AN EXHIBIT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO SHOW, UM, WHAT A CODE COMPLIANT TREE PLANTING PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, TO KIND OF BETTER EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS MODIFICATION, AS YOU CAN SEE THE TREES ARE, AND THIS IS JUST ONE PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT I WANTED TO ZOOM IN. SO YOU COULD REALLY KIND OF SEE IT, UM, HOW OVERCROWDED THEY ARE CRAMMED UP AGAINST BUILDINGS AND AGAINST EACH OTHER. AND IN SOME CASES REALLY JUST OVERLAPPING, UM, AS AUDIT, AUTUMN HAD MENTIONED, THERE'S A 20% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY THAT AT ALL. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CRAM IN MORE BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT'LL STILL BE 20%. UM, THIS PLAN ESSENTIALLY CREATES A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY JUST THE HEALTH OF THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS. UM, THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE SHORT SHADE TREES TO GROW TO MATURITY, UM, AND PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL SORT OF TREE CANOPY TO PROVIDE SHADE. UM, AND WHEN THEY'RE CROWDED LIKE THIS, THEY REALLY CAN'T GROW TO FULL MATURITY. ADDITIONALLY, SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE OVERLAPPING WON'T SURVIVE, UM, ALSO WITH THE SHRUBBERY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UNDER THOSE TREES WILL ALSO BE CROWDED AND WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO SUN DUE TO THE OVERCROWDING AS WELL. I THINK THE SECOND ISSUE IS WE REALLY WANT TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL UNENCUMBERED OPEN SPACE. SO WE HAVE SPORTS FIELD PROPOSED FOR SOCCER MATCHES. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE TO BE ABLE TO THROW A BALL AND RUN AROUND AND PLAY, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TREES JUST EVERYWHERE. SO WE CAN BUILD THIS AND THIS IS SORT OF PLAN B. UM, BUT IT, IT IS OUR PREFERENCE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PUD, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH WILL HAVE AMPLE TREES AND SHADING AND OPEN SPACE, UM, POD PROVISIONS, GENERALLY SPEAKING A MODIFICATION TO THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND, UH, PROVIDING COMMUNITY BENEFITS, SPORTS FIELDS, SPORTS COURTS, UM, THERE'S A DOG PARK, UM, POOL, UM, AND EXERCISE STATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, THERE ARE MANY PROJECT BENEFITS WITH THIS PROJECT, THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION THAT AUTUMN HAD MENTIONED HOUSING OPTIONS. AND I THINK ABOVE ALL JUST IMPROVED OPEN SPACE, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. AND I ALSO JUST THINK FOR THE GENERAL HEALTH OF HUDDLES TREE CANOPY, [00:50:02] UM, WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND OUR ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WE HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 PM. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 PM AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ON THE DIETS. I KNOW I'VE PROBABLY ASKED THIS BEFORE. I KNOW IN THE CODE, WE ALLOW COMMERCIAL THAT WE CAN TAKE A PARKLAND FEE IN LIEU OF REDUCING THE LANDSCAPING SO WE CAN HELP OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THIS THAT IS SIMILAR? IS IT POSSIBLE? IS THERE ANY WAY BECAUSE I APPRECIATE REDUCING, BUT THE AMENITIES THEY'RE BRINGING IS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS ONLY, NOT EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN HOW-TO AND, YOU KNOW, AS GREEN SPACE IS IMPORTANT AND HAVING TREES AND ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLINESS, I'D LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUT IN OTHER WAYS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN DO THAT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING, EVEN IF WE CAN'T REQUEST, IS THAT, IS THERE A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST A IT'S OR IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET TO THAT, TO BE HONEST, UM, WE HAVE THAT PROVISION FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NOW. AND SO YOU CAN PAY FEE AND LIEU FOR UP TO 50%. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT RECENTLY, BUT TO BE HONEST, OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY THERE'S TOO MANY, THERE ARE IT'S TOO GREAT. AND SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT ADJUSTING THE CODE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SITES ON 1 37 THAT ARE MEETING THE CODE SIMPLY FOR TIME CONSTRAINTS. AND IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO GO. AND SO I, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE IT ONCE OR TWICE AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, IS IT REALLY AN ISSUE? BUT IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE. AND WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ACTUAL CODE DOCUMENT. AND I THINK THAT WE COULD LOOK AT OUR CODE DOCUMENT AND PUT IN SOME SORT OF FEE IN LIEU OPTION AS WELL. SO IF IT WAS A SITE CONSTRAINT, THEY CAME UP WITH A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TREES REQUIRED. UM, SO MAYBE IT'S A, A MIXTURE OF THE TWO, BUT I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, UM, THE ONE PER 500 REALLY MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE. AND IT, IT SEEMS MORE FAIR SINCE I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IN THE 20, 40 COMP PLAN SPECIFICALLY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD WITH NOW ON AT LEAST GETTING THAT BROUGHT BACK UP HERE? CAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT NEEDS TO COME TO US AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND LET'S GET MOVING ON THAT BECAUSE I, THIS IS MO WE'VE HAD THIS COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES. YES. AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY LONGER ON IT. IT START PULLING OTHER CITIES AND, AND WORKING THAT BACK INTO OUR WORK PLAN, UH, POTENTIALLY GETTING IT DONE PRIOR TO THAT OR GETTING IT DONE WITH THAT LARGER UDC AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE. BUT YEAH, HAVING SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN TREE ISSUES SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS ON HOW TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, PLANTING TOO MANY TREES, NOT ENOUGH TREES, TREE FEES, ET CETERA. SO I THINK IF WE CAN CODIFY THAT AND PUT THAT INTO THE UDC, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC, THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO GO TO EVEN PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN BEING COMPLETED. YES. THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A COMP PLAN THING. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A TREE CANOPY THING THAT WE WANT, BUT WE ALSO WANT THEM TO BE HEALTHY. SO I'M POINTING TO MANY AS ALSO NOT GOING TO BE HEALTHY FOR THE TREES. SO I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING REASONABLE TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION. YEAH. OKAY. DIDN'T WE HAVE A MEETING NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE WE DID SIZE OF THE TREE. YES, YES. CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THIS AND JUST GET SOME BIGGER TREES TO BEGIN? WELL, AND I THINK PART OF THAT, IT'S, IT SOUNDS GOOD. AND IT'S WORKABLE SOLUTION, I THINK, BUT A LOT OF IT IS A SOURCING ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AND SOURCING A LARGER TREE IS OFTEN HARDER THAN SOURCING THE SMALLER TREE. SO FINDING A SIX INCH CALIPER LIVE OAK TREE, IT'S GOING TO DIE IN A YEAR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SURVIVE THE WINTER STORM. AND SO THEN THOSE ARE GOING TO KEEP GETTING REPLACED WITH ANOTHER SIX INCH TREE VERSUS GETTING A HEARTIER TREE UPFRONT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH. WELL, THE SMALLER TREES ARE ACTUALLY EASIER TO TAKE, SO YOU CAN SPEAK WITH LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND USUALLY THE SMALLER CALIPER, THERE'S A KIND OF A HIT OR MISS SORT OF THE LARGER TREES ARE HARDER TO GET US. YEAH. I JUST KNOW A LOT OF TREES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO ME. THEY ALL DIED. ALL THE SMALL ONES DIED SO [00:55:01] WELL THEY, AND THEY COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, I, I THINK THAT THE EVENT THAT WE HAD, AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO THAT EVENT WASN'T YEAH, YEAH. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PLANTED AND THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE IN AND THE TYPE OF IRRIGATIONS THAT THE ROOTS AREN'T DEEPER, THE TYPE OF SPECIES. YEAH. UH, WE, WE DID HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. YES. AWESOME. I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON IT. SO YEAH. MY NAME IS JASON NABI. I'M WITH AURA DESIGN GROUP, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM. UH, BUT YEAH, WE, UH, THE, THE LARGER TREES ARE, ARE, ARE NICE. UM, THEY ARE FROM A SOURCING STANDPOINT, UH, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, UH, THE NURSERIES ARE VERY SHORT STOCK IN THE LARGER TREES BECAUSE ALL THEIR INVENTORY GOT WIPED OUT WITH THE FREEZE. UM, I THINK THE CURRENT CODE, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE SIZING IN MY OPINION IS, IS, IS CORRECT. UH, THREE AND FOUR INCH TREES, OR ARE GOOD SIZED TREES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED. UM, AND WHEN THEY GO IN, THEY CAN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET THOSE, UH, BNB CONTAINER. UH, SO THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF THOSE WHEN YOU START TO GET TO SIX INCH, UH, MATERIAL, A LOT OF THAT'S CONTAINER GROWN, UM, AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND IT STARTS TO GET REALLY EXPENSIVE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK YOUR CODES WRITTEN FROM A TERESA STANDPOINT CORRECTLY, SO WHAT SIZE CALIBER ARE THOSE TREES YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE CODE? UH, COMPLIANT. I THINK THEY'RE THINKER FOR THE FOUR INCH. YEAH. WHICH IS GOING BACK TO THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT OTHER PROJECT WAS TWO INCH CALIPER TREE. SO THESE ARE TWICE AS LARGE. YEAH. AND IF YOU GET THE SMALLER ONES, I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE ON THAT ONE, RIGHT. IT WAS DOUBLE THE NUMBER, BUT SMALLER THE TREE, UH, TO GIVE THEM THAT OPTION. UH, SOME TREES THAT YOU GET A SMALLER, THEY DO HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING ESTABLISHED, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. UH, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON MAINTENANCE, UH, HOW MUCH FERTILIZER GETS PUT DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, WATERING SCHEDULES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOUR INCH IS A GOOD, HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN THE LARGE AND SMALL. UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT NURSERIES ARE, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR ARE GOING TO START COMING BACK ONLINE TO GET THAT SIZE MATERIAL. SO IS THERE GOING TO BE A WATERING SYSTEM THAT'S INSTALLED AROUND ALL OF THE AREAS WHERE THE TREES ARE CORRECT? EACH, EACH, EACH TREE WILL GET TWO BUBBLERS PER TREE IRRIGATIONS REQUIRED. OKAY. THE SIDE AND JUST TO CLARIFY, TOO. SO WE, UM, WE HAVE SMALL TREES AND LARGE TREES, AND SO THE LARGE TREES ARE YOUR HEART OF YOUR SPECIES AND YOUR LIVE OAKS AND YOUR TYPICALS. AND THOSE ARE THE FOUR-INCH. AND IF YOU REPLACE THOSE, IT'S MORE OF AN ORNAMENTAL TREE. SO THOSE CAN BE SMALLER CALIPER. UM, AND THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE YOU CAN'T REPLACE A FOUR-INCH LIVE OAK WITH A TWO INCH LIVE OAK. SO YOU WOULD RE REPLACE IT WITH TWO SMALLER CREPE, MYRTLE TYPE TREES, ORNAMENTAL TREES THAT WOULD SEE. YEAH. I THINK MY HESITATION ON THIS ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DEVELOPER HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO 50%. WE HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE THAT CAME AND WE WOULDN'T LET THEM GO DOWN TO 50%, YOU KNOW, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND, AND I DIDN'T GET TO SHOW YOU THE PRESENTATION. THEY WERE, WE WERE RECOMMENDING, THEY GO DOWN TO ABOUT 20%. SO IT WAS, WE MIGHT EXHIBIT, BUT THE HIGH SCHOOL STADIUM WENT TO THE COUNCIL AND DIDN'T, THEY INCREASE IT TO ROUGHLY 70% OF THE REQUIREMENT, I THINK, IN CALIPER INCHES. BUT THEN THEY ADDED ANOTHER 20% BASED OFF OF WHAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED, BUT, AND IF IT WAS ACROSS OTHER SITES, NOT JUST EFFECTING THAT ONE, IT WAS KIND OF BRINGING BACK A PLAN OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE REST OF THIS, WHICH GOES BACK TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODE. YEAH. INSTITUTIONAL IS 15% OF THE SITE. AND, AND ONE THING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, READING THE CODE TO, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO IMPLEMENT, UH, ORNAMENTAL TREES AS A REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, ONE ORNAMENTAL IN ONE SMALL TREE PER X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING A VARIETY ON THE SITE IS REALLY THE GOAL. UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, BIG BLOCKS THAT EITHER DO REALLY GOOD OR REALLY, REALLY BAD. UH, SO JUST GETTING A VARIETY OF NOT ONLY FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, BUT, UH, UH, A MATURITY STANDPOINT AND GROWTH. RIGHT. I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE TO SHADE TREES, [01:00:01] YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND OF THEM ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S NO GRASS IN 10 YEARS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING LIVING UNDERNEATH THAT CANOPY ANYMORE. IT'S ALL JUST DIRT. YEAH. SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS. THE MINUTE WE DUG INTO THE CODE IS YOU REALLY START TO HAVE EROSION PROBLEMS, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET GRASS ESTABLISHED, LOSING DIRT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO, FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY ON SORT OF A SITE THIS BIG, UH, THAT THAT'S A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UH, TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH. SO MY COMMENT IS NOT A NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT AGAINST MULTI-FAMILY OR WHATEVER, BUT BEING IN THE PUB VERSUS NOT, IS THERE, LIKE THEY CAN GO TO FOUR FLIGHTS IS IT THREE IN THE PUD FOR HYDE TO NO THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE UDC, EXCEPT FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT. JUST THESE THINGS. THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING. AND WE, IT NEVER CAME INTO FORTUNE, BUT WHEN WE HAD DONE, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD A HOTEL THAT WAS GOING TO COME ON A SITE AND WE LOOKED AT HAVING IT ORIENTATED, SUCH THAT THE STAIRWELLS WERE FACING THE RESIDENTS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE IMMEDIATELY LOOKING OVER THEIR BACKYARDS. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND THIS IS NOT, I KNOW WE'RE NOT FOR A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT AS AN IDEA. IF THERE'S A WAY TO ORIENTATE A COUPLE OF THESE THAT ARE AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY OF THE NEIGHBORS TO REDUCE THE ABILITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE APARTMENTS, JUST LOOKING RIGHT OVER INTO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE ALREADY HAVE HOMES, UM, FOR THEIR PRIVACY. UM, THAT'S JUST, UH, I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A THOUGHT FROM A TREE. NO, JUST FROM THE BUILDING, THE NORTH SIDE, THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE TWO, THAT THE ONE THAT'S ANGLED. NO, THOSE LOOK LIKE PARKING. OH NO. IT'S THAT ONE. THOSE ARE BUILT AND TOWNHOMES. OH, THOSE ARE, YEAH. BUT THOSE ARE GONNA BE GROUND LEVEL. LIKE THERE'D BE NO DIFFERENT THAN A TWO STORY HOUSE. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I WAS LOOKING AT MORE OF THIS ONE. THAT'S WHERE YOUR MOUSE IS. AND THEN THE CATTY-CORNER ONE THAT WOULD BE LOOKING OUT. NOPE. NOT THAT ONE THAT ONE'S ORIENTATED FINE TO THAT ONE TO THE RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THOSE TWO ARE DRIVING WITH MY FINGERS. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I WAS, I WAS KINDA CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD GIVE LIKE UNDUE VIEW INTO RESIDENTIAL NEXT. AND SO, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT AT A SITE PLAN TODAY. THIS IS JUST, AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP NOW, EARLY IN THE CAR, LIKE THAT IDEA, BECAUSE I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BUFFER ZONE ESTABLISHED THERE THAT HAS FULL PLANTING THAT GOES ACROSS THAT, AS IT GROWS, PROVIDES THAT ADDITIONAL SHADE AND SCREENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'D LIKE TO, IF WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT ADDS SOME STIPULATIONS ABOUT REQUIRING THAT BUFFER ZONE BEING DEVELOPED AND MAINTAIN THEIR, SO YOU COULD ADD TO THE PUD, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE BE A CERTAIN DEPTH OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER WHERE THERE'S RESIDENCE, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, 20 FEET, 30 FEET, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW FIT. UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT WHEN THEY WORKED THE SITE PLAN OUT, THEY CAN TWEAK THINGS TO MAKE THAT WORK. THEY HAVE THAT FOR A LOT OF THAT ADJACENCY BECAUSE OF THEIR DRAINAGE WAY AREAS. SO THAT MIGHT BE, UM, AN IDEA FOR A RECOMMENDATION. AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THE PUD. SO THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE PUB THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING. AND YOU CAN ASK FOR SOMETHING AS WELL IN RETURN. SO, UM, I TOLD HER THE BUILDING'S SUPPOSED TO BE 35 FEET. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. 30, 35 IS OUR MAXIMUM AND THE TOWNHOMES. AGAIN, THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE SINGLE FAMILY ARE ONLY TWO STORIES. AND THEN THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS ARE ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY. IT KIND OF HARD TO TELL IN THIS SCALE, BUT NOT FROM HERE TO HERE, IT'S THIS CORNER, IT'S THIS AREA RIGHT. WHERE I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST 26 FEET. CAUSE THE, YEAH, THE DRIVE AISLE, RIGHT. WE GOT LIKE 40. SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. IT'S REALLY CLOSE. AND IT'S ANGLED SUCH THAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY SEEING AND THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT'S TOUCHING RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT WOULD BE IF WE CAN DO SOME STIPULATION AND IF Y'ALL CAN THINK ABOUT THAT PART OF YOUR DESIGN. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SO PART OF THAT SCREENING THOUGH, SO ITEM THREE TO TWO IN THE PUD IS TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICULAR USE AREAS. SHE'LL BE SCREENED FROM ALL RIGHT OF WAYS BY A CONTINUOUS LANDSCAPE, RIGHT. AND NOT TO BE, NOT TO BE LESS THAN 10 FOOT DEEP. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS BETWEEN WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVE, I'LL HAND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS OTHER LOCATIONS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SO WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER TYPE OF SCREENING SUCH AS A MASONRY FENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE [01:05:01] AS WELL? WELL, DEFINITELY MEET ANY SORT OF FENCING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED PER THE UDC. I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WE'RE PROPOSING ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND. SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A MASONRY FENCE. UM, I BELIEVE IT DEPENDS IF IT'S PARKLAND IT'S WELL, AND SO, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MASONRY, BUT MASONRY WOULD SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO STILL HAVE THAT SCREENING BEYOND JUST THE TREES. CAUSE IF THERE'S REALLY ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR 10 FOOT IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, UM, THEN I MEAN, WHAT MR. SCHWARTZ FIGURE WAS SAYING, I MEAN, BY PUTTING MORE TREES THERE, IT COULD GIVE IT MORE OF A NATURAL BUFFER ALONG THE EDGES. IF WE'RE REALLY ONLY REQUIRING 10 FEET AND THEN A POTENTIAL SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU HAVE A TWO-STORY HOUSE BEHIND A SIX FOOT FENCE, IT DOES ZERO TO BLOCK ANY KIND OF SITE. SO IF YOU HAVE A TWO-STORY HOUSE BEHIND THIS, A BUDDING, A 35 FOOT, THREE STORY BUILDING OVER HERE, YOU'RE EASILY GOING TO BE SEEING EACH OTHER'S PLACE. SO, UM, HAVING THAT FENCE ALONG WITH SOME KIND OF TREES COULD BE A GOOD BENEFIT. I WOULD IMAGINE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE FENCING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS INTO THE PLACE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE FENCING ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE, A WALKING PATH AND STUFF THAT I SAW. UM, YEAH. WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE AN IRON VINCE? THAT'S JUST SEE-THROUGH OR IS IT GOING TO BE, YEAH, I THINK HE'S TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE THAN JUST THE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE ALSO NOT JUST THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE NORTH, SO TO THE WEST IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE PRELIMINARY PLANTED A FEW MONTHS AGO. UM, THAT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE RESIDENCES AND ET CETERA. AND SO SAME THING. I MEAN, WE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, EVEN THAT BUILDING FURTHEST TO THE WEST, SAME THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF BUFFER THERE FOR, FOR VISUALS. THAT'S NOT LIKE, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED NOT JUST A LITTLE IRON FENCE, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE OR SOMETHING. SO THE PROPERTY ADJACENT IS SCHMITZ CREEK AND AMANDA DID THAT ONE AS WELL. AND THERE'S AS WELL IS A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE PROPOSED ON THEIR SITE, ON THE WESTERN BORDER. AND THEN THE NORTHERN PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE WOOD FENCES. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLEAR UP. IF YOU WANTED THEM TO DO AN ADDITIONAL FENCE DEFENSE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OR BECAUSE THERE ARE OFFENSES ALONG THERE ALREADY, UM, OR IF IT WAS REALLY MAKING THAT DISTANCE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. YEAH. THAT THAT'S, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW INTERNAL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY ALREADY DO SHARED FENCING, WHICH IS A BLESSING AND A CURSE. SO IF WE'RE DOING THAT FOR DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY ALSO SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACCOUNT THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH AS THE, THE FENCING THAT'S NEEDED, AND THEN THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS NO FENCING, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE MAINTENANCE HAS TO BE THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALREADY TO THE NORTH. UM, WHEREAS OBVIOUSLY DETERIORATION IS STILL GOING TO HAPPEN FROM THE IRRIGATION, ET CETERA, FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. AND I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, I KNOW THIS IS LIKE MORE CONSTRUCTION, BUT Y'ALL, AREN'T PLANNING ON LIKE BUILDING UP HIGHER, LIKE MAKING YOUR AREA HIGHER THAN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM, CAUSE THERE'S LIKE AN APARTMENT HAPPENING RIGHT BY MY HOUSE AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS THEY'RE GETTING FLOODED BECAUSE THEY BUILT THAT PROPERTY UP HIGHER. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. LIKE, ARE WE FILLING IN THE LANE? RIGHT? THE SITES WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED ENGINEERING THE SITE AT THIS POINT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THOSE ANSWERS. DWAYNE SHOP IS HERE. DO YOU KNOW LIKE PRELIMINARILY, IF THERE'LL BE ANY SUBSTANCE, UH, DWAYNE CHAPLAIN, CAN WE HORN? WE, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T ENGINEERED THE SITE YET, BUT OUR INTENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BLOCK ANY DRAINAGE, ALL THE CONVEYANCE. WE'LL STILL GO THROUGH THIS ALL DRAINS FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. SO, UM, YEAH, THERE WON'T BE ANY, ANY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE ANY ADVERSE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON, UM, ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO I WAS JUST MORE WORRIED ABOUT BUILDING, EVEN JUST BUILDING YOUR BUILDINGS UP TO HAVE IT DRAIN DOWN INTO THAT AREA. WOULD YOU MAKE THIS AREA TALLER, THE NORTH AREA TALLER? SO IT WOULD DRAIN TO YOUR DRAINAGE AREAS, MAKING YOUR BUILDINGS EVEN TALLER TO THOSE HOUSES RIGHT BEHIND THERE. I KNOW IT'LL, IT'LL BE ON GRADE UP. THAT'D BE THOSE, THOSE ELEVATIONS UP THERE WILL SIT PRETTY CLOSE TO PRETTY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THE LAST ONE, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT FOR SITE PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PUD. IS THERE GOING TO BE A CONSTRUCTION ROAD [01:10:01] OFF WHERE LIVE OAK IS BEING? SO THERE'LL BE COMING IN OFF OF AN EXTENSION FROM SAY CHRIS KELLY AND COMING OVER. CAUSE IT'S ALL CONSTRUCTION AND NOT AFFECTING THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY DRIVING ON EXCHANGE. UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT'S HAVE, Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT. IF LIVE OAK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S PASSABLE, THEY MAY COME THROUGH THERE DOWN CHRIS KELLY OR, UM, OVER ON THAT SIDE OR IT MAY BE OR EDGE AT THAT POINT, BUT IT MAY BE THROUGH EXCHANGE JUST LIKE THE OTHER, UM, AHS, CAUSE IT'S A FULL PUBLIC STREET AND IT'S PRETTY WIDE. AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH PERFORM LIKE HS WHERE THE STREETS. I MEAN, I DRIVE THAT ALMOST EVERYDAY NOW AND IT'S KEPT REALLY CLEAN AND THEY'VE, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN IT IS AN INFILL. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THESE NEXT TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THIS SITE AND THE ONE DIRECTLY WEST OF THAT WE'LL WORK IT OUT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ALL KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE SAME ENGINEERS AND THINGS. I THINK THEY'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT. OKAY, THAT'LL BE, UM, PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY. AND THE ONE THAT I HAD WAS KIND OF REGARDING TRAFFIC, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR LEASING OFFICE IS GOING TO BE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. UM, WHICH OF COURSE THAT'S WHERE THE DELIVERY VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE COMING THROUGH THE MOVING VEHICLES WHEN IT'S MOVING DAY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO THAT IS GOING TO PUSH TRAFFIC INTO YOUR SITE FURTHER NORTH ON EXCHANGE, CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THERE, HAS IT BEEN LOOKED AT, I GUESS, OF HAVING THE LEASING OFFICE ENTRANCE IN THE SAY SOUTH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT STACKING UP ON EXCHANGE? NO, NOT SO MUCH STACKING, JUST VOLUME VOLUME. SO IF, IF WE'VE GOT, IF WE'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FEDEX, AMAZON, ET CETERA, ROLLING INTO THE LEASING OFFICE ENTRANCE PLUS THAT'S WHERE THE MOVING VANS ARE COMING IN. THEN THAT'S A LOT OF VOLUME OF LARGER TRAFFIC, VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION OR POSSIBILITY OF CONSIDERATION OF PUTTING THE LEASING OFFICE IN THE SOUTH. SO YOU'RE COMING OFF OF WESTLINE OAK STREET, LIVE OAK AS OPPOSED TO EXCHANGE. I THINK, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AS, AS, AS WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION TIMING OF LIVE OAK AND COORDINATING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT AND LOOK INTO IT. THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS ABOUT THAT IS IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THAT AROUND, UM, THEY MIGHT END UP PUTTING ANOTHER APARTMENT IN THAT SPOT. ANOTHER THREE STORY IN THAT SPOT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYWHERE ELSE BESIDES MOVING ANOTHER BUILDING. RIGHT. IT WOULD HAVE TO MOVE A THREE-STORY BUILDING OVER TO THAT. AND SO THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER, THREE-STORY CLOSE TO CLOSER TO THEIR RESIDENTS. AND I LIKED THAT IT'S AT LEAST THE SMALLER BUILDINGS ON THE MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY IS UP CLOSER. SO I GET WHERE YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D WANT A THREE STORY BUILDING NEXT TO ME. WELL, MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD HABIT DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE THIS HAPPENED AND THEY HAD THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WAS TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THEN YOU HAD TO DO A SIGHT LINE FROM THE BALCONIES AND YOUR TREE LINE WAS BASICALLY SET SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOOK TO THE BACK PEOPLE BACK PEOPLE'S YARDS. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING A 70 FOOT BUFFER ZONE WITH LANDSCAPE GOING HERE BEFORE YOU'D HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. AND I MEAN, CONSIDERING WE'RE LOOKING SCHEMATICALLY, LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOUR CARS PULLING UP TO SOMEBODY'S BACK FENCE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS, PEOPLE COME AND GO AT ALL TIMES THE DISRUPTION TO THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE ALONG THAT SIDE IS A CONCERN. AND THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BIGGER BUFFER THERE TO MAINTAIN THAT PRIVACY. AND WITH, I THINK WITH THE BIGGER BUFFER THAT WOULD MITIGATE THE, THE SIGHTLINE PART OF IT. CORRECT. BUT IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO MITIGATE THE LARGER VOLUME BREADTH, THE BUFFER THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR TREES. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO RE YOU KNOW, HAVE TO EAT IF WE GO TO THE 50% THAT GIVES THEM MORE AREA TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE SPORT FIELD AND THE TREE LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT POSSIBLE ORIENTATION TO BUILDINGS DIFFERENTLY, ET CETERA. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR THE TIME BEING MY SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO TABLE THAT TO A DATE SPECIFIC? UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS THAT A LANDSCAPING POSSIBLY MASONRY BUFFER YARD, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN WORK OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THIS. UM, DO YOU WANT TO SAY, GET THIS DONE RE NOTICED AND GET IT BACK BY MARCH [01:15:01] YOUR STAFF AND BEING AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE BY MARCH? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THEN MY FRIENDS, I THINK IT'S MORE OF, CAN WE GET THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD TABLED SOME THINGS TO MARCH. IS THAT GOING TO OVERWHELM THE MARCH SCHEDULE WITH MARCH NEXT MONTH? I'LL BE FINE. SEVEN HOURS. THAT'S FINE. THAT'D BE GOOD. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND EXPRESS THEM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THEM AND WE CAN CERTAINLY KIND OF WRITE THEM UP, BUT IF THAT'S THE REQUEST, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S FENCING, ORIENTING THE BUILDINGS, CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT MORE ENHANCED, BUFFERING AND SCREENING, AND THEN CONSIDERING A RELOCATION OF THE LEASING, OR DO WE NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT? I THINK IT WAS MORE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION AS WELL, NOT JUST WHERE THE LEASING NECESSARILY COMES IN, BUT THINK OF WHERE THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE ADJACENT TO. YEAH, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET AWAY FROM SOMEONE'S BACK FENCE, WHICH WHOEVER LIVES ON THAT CORNER IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH, YOU KNOW, DELIVERY TRUCKS COMING IN CONSTANTLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND HELP THEM TO, UM, WITH THE AHS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET, WE CAN GIVE THEM THOSE LOCATIONS. SO IT IT'LL BE BETTER TO LINE UP THOSE DRIVEWAYS. YES. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WILL THEY BE BRINGING A NEW, UM, POD PROPOSAL TO THE NEXT MEETING, OR WILL WE BE, WILL STAFF BE PRESENTING WHAT THEY SUGGEST THE CHANGES? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL HAVE AN AMENDED AGREEMENT FOR YOU THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THESE CONCERNS, BUT I'D RATHER ALWAYS HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME BACK WITH WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THE SITE TO MAKE IT WORK. AND THEN WE'LL REVIEW THAT BASED ON, UM, THE UDC AND OUR PUB REQUIREMENTS. SO ONE SMALL ADDITIONAL NOTE I'D LIKE TO ADD THEN, UM, FOR THREE.ONE, TALKING ABOUT AMENITIES RIGHT NOW, IT STATES A POOL AND THREE OTHER AMENITIES FROM THE LIST. UM, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN STATED THE SAME WAY IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY VERBIAGE WAS, THINGS WERE NOT ACTUALLY BUILT. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS COULD BE JUST A SPORTS FIELD BEING A LARGE GRASS AREA AND THE SMALL TRAIL SYSTEM BEING SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY PART OF IT. SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE REWORDED TO ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT THE DOG PARK OR THE SPORTS COURTS OR ANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY FOR SURE BUILT AS PART OF THE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME SORT OF OPTION OF LISTS? YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT. SO A POOL, IT WOULD BE A POOL AND A DOG PARK AND A TRAIL SYSTEM AND, OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTION, COMMENT, DISCUSSION, UH, REAL QUICK, ASHLEY, YOU SAID THIS WAS PRELIMINARY POTTED, BUT NOT FINAL PLATTED, RIGHT? I WANT TO SAY THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS A FINAL IT'S NOT BEEN RECORDED. OKAY. THERE IS A FINAL PLAT APPROVED, NOT RECORDING. YOU ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVED FINAL CLAP. YES. IT'S ALL BEEN RECORDED. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. CAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER THINGS SUCH AS DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BASED ON THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN VERSUS WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M ASSUMING THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. SO JUST THE FINAL AS THE FINAL CLASS CAME TO US ALREADY. YEAH. OKAY. THE DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENTS COME THROUGH WITH THE SITE PLAN TYPICALLY, UNLESS YOU'RE DOING SOME SORT OF SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT DRIVEWAY. ALIGNMENT'S NOT ALWAYS SHOWN ON PLATTS. OKAY. SO WE ADDRESS THEM WITH SITE PLAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHORE, FAGER TO TABLE UNTIL MARCH P AND Z. IS IT MARCH 1ST? YES, SIR. OKAY. MARCH 1ST. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING UNTIL MARCH 1ST, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS TABLED SIX ZERO. NEXT IS ITEM 4.6 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED SANTA MARIA REPLAT 0.6, FIVE, THREE ACRES. MORE OR LESS OF LAND, ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED AT 2 0 8 WEST AUSTIN AVENUE AND 2 0 1 WEST FRONT STREET, UH, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. THE NEXT THREE PLATS ARE JUST PUBLIC HEARINGS PER OUR REQUIREMENTS. AND SO NO ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN. AND THESE ARE JUST DRAFT PLAIDS. SO READY FOR ACTION. OKAY. SO JUST A [01:20:01] REALLY QUICK QUESTION. THE PLATS IN THE PACKET ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE MAY BE SEEING OUT WHAT FOR THEIR CLOTHES. THEY ARE THEIR INITIAL, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE FINAL PRODUCT CRACKS. THE TRACKS ARE CHANGING PRELIMINARY. NO, THERE THERE'S SOME MIDDLES. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WARM, YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL, BUT THEY'RE ALL IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT READY TO BE APPROVED YET. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON 4.6 AT 8:24 PM. NO, THIS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE SHOULD LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL WE COME UP, UM, OUR, WE ARE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS AND REPLANTS, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE ONCE THEY GET READY TO SCHEDULE THEM FOR A MEETING THAT'S NOT SIX MONTHS, SIX WEEKS OUT. AND SO THIS IS A, AN APPROACH WE'RE DOING. UH, WE DON'T NEED TO LEAVE IT OPEN. WE JUST NEED TO HOLD IT AND CLOSE IT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. THIS IS AN ADDITION TO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN STABLE. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 PM AND THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON 4.6 AT THIS TIME. ITEM 4.7 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED ON THE PROPOSED HUDDLE, NARROWS LOTS, TWO A AND TWO B BEING A REPLANT OF LOT, TWO 20.2, 800 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND ONE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT IN ONE COMMERCIAL LOC LOCATED OFF OF CR 1 37. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. JUST A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 PM. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE. I WILL CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:25 PM AND NO ACTION IS TAKEN 4.8 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED URBANA AT COTTONWOOD CREEK PRELIMINARY PLAT 43.5, TWO ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, ONE MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED OFF OF CR 1 99. AND AGAIN, JUST A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AND THIS ONE IS NOT FULLY READY AT ALL. AUDIT. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:26 PM. AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING? NONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:26 PM. NEW ACTION. UM, REAL QUICK, UM, ON THAT ONE, I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S NOWHERE NEAR CLOSE. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE HAD WENT THROUGH WITH THIS WHEN THEY PREVIOUSLY CAME THROUGH. SO SHOULD I JUST EMAIL THOSE TO YOU? OKAY. AND THAT WILL MOVE US TO ITEM FIVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DIRECTOR REPORT. I HAVE NOTHING. UM, WE WILL BRING SOME OF THESE BACK IN MARCH AND THEN WE WILL, UM, YOU'LL BE HEARING MORE FROM US ON THE LANDSCAPING STUFF CAUSE WE HEARD THE COMMENTS TONIGHT. SO WE'LL START WORKING ON THAT. IT WON'T BE IN MARCH. I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT. UM, BUT WE WILL START LOOKING INTO THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WE'VE NOTICED SOME ISSUES. I THINK WE NOTICED ON INDUSTRIAL, UM, WE'VE BEEN NOTICING ON MULTIFAMILY AS WELL. SO WE'LL START TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND STARTING TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS. HONESTLY, IT PROBABLY WILL JUST BE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN WE HAVE A SHORTER MEETING THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF HASH IT OUT, TALK IT OUT. UM, CERTAINLY I THINK WE HAVE SOME IN THIS GROUP THAT ARE VASTLY MORE QUALIFIED AND UNDERSTAND TREES A LOT MORE. UM, SO WE'LL BE RELYING ON SOME OF THAT IN SOME OF OUR INTERNAL EXPERTISE AS WELL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU AND ALL I HAVE JUST REMINDER, GET YOUR STOMA RECERTIFICATION OR CERTIFICATION DONE JUST TO VERIFY, IS IT AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT? YES, IT IS BECAUSE FOR SOME OF US THAT STARTED IN JULY, WE GOT IT IN JULY. IT'S NEVER TOO EARLY TO DO IT. OH, I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT IN JULY. I'M ON ALL ON SO MANY THAT I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, JANUARY I DO IT. OKAY. I WAS JUST SAYING TO GET A NEW ONE IN JULY AS WELL. SO I WAS JUST SEEING IF IT WAS A CALENDAR YEAR FIREMEN OR BEFORE EVERY MEETING. OH YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. REFRESH YOUR MIND. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, UH, THERE BEING NOTHING ELSE, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE P AND Z AT 8:28 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.