* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] RIGHT. IT'S SEVEN [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] O'CLOCK WE'LL CALL THE MEETING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 17TH, 2022. TO ORDER WE'LL START WITH LOCAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCIL, OR MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL, SALVO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY HOLLAND, MAYOR SCHNEIDER'S HERE. NEXT WE'LL HAVE INDICATION, UH, TONIGHT LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. SO PLEASE STAND. WE'D PRAY WITH ME, OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL TO BE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT IN THIS ASSEMBLED BODY TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF OUR GREEK COMMUNITY OF HUDDLE. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN SELECTED BY THE CITIZENS TO, UM, SERVE ON THIS GOVERNING BODY. THE CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE, UM, HUDDLE THEIR HOME FOR EMPLOYMENT. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THOSE WHO MAKE THIS MEETING POSSIBLE. WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS GREAT NATION THAT WE LIVE IN THE OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO GOVERN OURSELVES TO WORSHIP HOW WE CHOOSE TO GOVERN HOW WE CHOOSE AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS GREAT ENDEAVOR. WE ARE MINDFUL THAT NOT EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE ALSO MINDFUL. UM, THAT WAR IS RAGING, ESPECIALLY IN THE UKRAINE. AND WE PRAY FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UM, WHO ARE IN HARM'S WAY, ESPECIALLY THE INNOCENCE THAT THEY MAY BE PROTECTED IF IT BE ACCORDING TO THE WILL, UH, THAT OUR NATIONAL LEADERS AND THE WORLD LEADERS MAY SEEK TO RESOLVE THEIR DISPUTES, UM, IN A MORE PEACEFUL WAY, AND THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THE DISPUTE THAT'S HAPPENING. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT THE ONLY AREA OF CONFLICT, AND WE PRAY FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING IN ANY WAY. WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO BE WISE IN OUR DECISIONS THIS EVENING, THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, LISTEN WITH OUR EARS AND WITH OUR HEARTS, AND THEN MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WE THINK WE WILL MAKE FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUDDLE. AND WE ASK FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS SAY IN THE VISIBLE WE HAVE CITY MANAGER [5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] COMMENTS. I REMEMBER THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUCCESSFUL EVENT OF PEDAL TRUCK. UH, THANKS TO MATT WITH STARSKY, WHOSE IDEA IT WAS TO THE MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM FOR GETTING THE WORD OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE FIRE ESD AND PUBLIC WORKS FOR BRINGING THE EQUIPMENT. IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT, A LOT OF KIDS AND US OLDER FOLKS OUT THERE TOO, BUT IT WAS REALLY GREAT. UM, ALSO JUST A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE COUNCIL. THERE WAS A MEET AND GREET FOR THE POLICE CHIEF SEMIFINALISTS MONDAY, THE 21ST IN THE LOBBY HERE AT CITY HALL FROM FOUR 30 TO SIX 30. AND THERE IS A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ROUND TABLE, MARCH 24TH, I BELIEVE FROM EIGHT 30 TO NINE 30 IN THE MORNING AT THE TEXAN CAFE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANKS SIR. NEXT WE HAVE THE PROCLAMATION [6. PROCLAMATION - Women's History Month] WE'LL BE JOINED BY THE DNI COMMISSION NUMBERS. SO WE HAVE BRIAN THOMPSON. BARLEY'S A PA RIGHT GHETTO ALONG WITH OUR, UH, LIAISON CUSTOMER MCKINSEY. SO THE FIELDS, THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PROCLAMATION FOR THE CITY OF HEDO TEXAS FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, 2022 RAZ AMERICAN WOMEN FROM ALL RACES CLASSES AND ETHNICITIES HAVE MADE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ECONOMIC, CULTURAL, SPIRITUAL, AND POLITICAL LIFE THAT STRENGTHENED OUR NATION OFTEN IN THE FACE OF DISCRIMINATION AND HARDSHIP AND REZ, COURAGEOUS WOMEN HAVE MARCHED FOR AND WON THE RIGHT TO VOTE CAMPAIGNED AGAINST INJUSTICE AND SHATTERED BARRIERS, EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OLD PEOPLE AND RAZ AMERICAN WOMEN HAVE PLAYED AND CONTINUE TO PLAY CRITICAL ECONOMIC, CULTURAL, AND SOCIAL ROLES IN EVERY SPHERE OF THE LIFE OF OUR NATION BY CONSTITUTING, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE LABOR FORCE WORKING INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE HOME. WHEREAS THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL PROCLAMATION OF WOMEN'S HISTORY WEEK WAS DECLARED IN THE UNITED STATES IN 1980 AND AUTHORIZED BY THE U S U S CONGRESS A YEAR LATER. AND WHEREAS IN 1987, THIS WEEK WAS EXPANDED TO WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH TO CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF WOMEN FROM ALL RACES CLASSES AND ETHNICITIES. AND WHEREAS FAR TOO OFTEN, THE HEROIC EFFORTS OF WOMEN HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED OR UNDERVALUED, [00:05:01] AND THEIR STORIES HAVE GONE UNTOLD PARTICULARLY AMONG DEMANDS OF WOMEN FROM DIVERSE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE STRENGTHENED AMERICA ACROSS EVERY GENERATION. WHEREAS THE CITY OF HADOW IS STRENGTHENED AND ENRICHED BY THE CONTRIBUTION OF WOMEN IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUDDLE REJECTS ANY DISCRIMINATION THROUGH ITS VALUES, POLICIES AND PRACTICES. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUDDLE HAS MADE DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION OF ALL GROUPS, A PRIORITY AND SUPPORTS THE CONTINUED WORK OF THE CITY'S DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION TO RAISE AWARENESS AND PROMOTE A COMMUNITY THAT EMBRACES ALL OF ITS CITIZENS. NOW, THEREFORE, I MIGHT SNYDER A MAYOR OF THE CITY OF HUDDLE DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH, 2022 AS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH IN THE CITY OF HUDDLE, THE CITY MAKES HIS PROCLAMATION TO CELEBRATE WOMEN AND TO AFFIRM DESI'S COMMITMENT TO PROTECT AND SERVE EVERYONE WHO RESIDES IN IT WORKS IN IT OR VISITS THE CITY OF HUDDLE WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION AND ITS BELIEF IN THE DIGNITY, EQUALITY, AND RIGHTS OF ALL PEOPLE PROCLAIM THE 17TH DAY OF MARCH, 2022 TO FOLLOW THE WOMEN'S PROCLAMATION. UM, I WAS ASKED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT KIND OF ABOUT MY PERSONAL HISTORY AND KIND OF HOW THIS, UM, AFFECTED ME AND HOW I HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT, UM, OF A, OF A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW, I WENT TO AN ALL WOMEN'S COLLEGE. UM, I SPENT FOUR YEARS IN SPARTANBURG, SOUTH CAROLINA, CONGRESS COLLEGE, UM, AND THAT OFFERED ME A LOT OF REALLY UNIQUE, UM, SITUATIONS, UM, AND ESPECIALLY WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH AND THIS PROCLAMATION, UM, IN PARTICULAR REALLY MEANS A LOT TO ME. UM, AND JUST, UH, I WAS ASKED IF I WOULD SHARE KIND OF A BRIEF STORY. SO WE DID, UM, A REALLY NEAT EVENT. IT WAS CALLED THE HIGH HEEL HUNDRED AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT WAS, IS TO ILLUSTRATE THE DIFFERENCE IN, UM, DISPARITIES THAT WOMEN GO THROUGH. SO WE'RE ALL RUNNING THE SAME HUNDRED METER DASH, BUT WE'RE DOING IT IN HEELS. SO IN ESSENCE, THE WOMEN AND MEN HAD TO WEAR HEELS AND I WILL SAY WE HAD TROUBLE FINDING HEELS AND SOME OF THOSE SIZES. SO WE KIND OF, UM, ACQUIESCED AND SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL HOLD SOME OF THOSE. WE CAN'T FIND THE SHOE SIZES. WE'RE GOING TO JUST RUN IN SHOWER SHOES, BUT EITHER WAY, THE, THE END RESULT WAS THE SAME THAT WE ARE STILL RUNNING THE SAME RACE, BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS, UM, WOMEN HAVE TO DO THE WORK A LITTLE HARDER AND SOMETIMES US GETTING THERE. UM, WE HAVE TO OVERCOME CERTAIN HURDLES AND OBSTACLES. UM, SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO SHARE THAT STORY WITH YOU GUYS. UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO DO, UM, FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A WOMEN'S GROUP HERE IN HADOW IT'S THE HEAD OF WOMEN'S ALLIANCE. UM, AND THEY'RE A GREAT GROUP THEY'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING ON THEIR ANNUAL, I'M LOOKING AT VIRTUAL THIS YEAR. THIS IS THEIR THIRD YEAR DOING IT. IT IS THE 5K. UM, SO YOU CAN WALK, RUN BIKE, UM, BUT IT'S A GREAT FUNDRAISER AND ALL OF THE FUNDS DO GO RIGHT BACK TO OUR HADOW STUDENTS. ALL OF THE MONEY DOES GO BACK TO, UM, SCHOLARSHIPS FOR HOW-TO STUDENTS. SO IT'S A GREAT, GREAT WAY TO GET INVOLVED AND TO SUPPORT, UM, THE HUDDLE WOMEN'S ALLIANCE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE CITY [7. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS] COUNCIL COMMENTS, GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. UH, SO THE DNI, UH, COMMISSION CHAIR ASKED ME ALSO TO SAY SOME WORDS REAL QUICK ABOUT WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. SO I DID PREPARE SOMETHING VERY QUICK, BUT, UM, THIS MONTH SERVES AS AN INTERNATIONAL REMINDER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PROMOTING WOMEN'S EQUALITY AND DIGNITY AND EMBRACING FEMININE GENIUS THAT SETS US APART. IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE AN EDUCATED WOMAN WITH A VOICE TO MAKE CHANGE VOICES, THE FREEDOM TO VOTE, AND THE INCREDIBLE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH REMINDS ME BOTH OF THE SACRIFICES MADE IN ORDER FOR ME AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DIOCESE TO HAVE THESE PRIVILEGES AND OF THE TERRIBLE INJUSTICES, STILL PREVALENT IN MUCH OF THE WORLD. I ASKED CITIZENS AND HERETO TO JOIN ME IN CELEBRATING THE STRONG WOMEN IN YOUR LIVES, OUR MOTHERS, OUR DAUGHTERS, OR SISTERS OF WHOLE NATION. UM, SO THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE DNI COMMISSION FOR THIS PROCLAMATION TODAY AND FOR COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY FOR OUR LIAISON. SO THANK YOU. UM, ALSO JUST SINCE WE'RE ON THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS, UM, I WANT TO SAY A HARDY CONGRATULATIONS TO HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT, LIEUTENANT BOMER WHO RETIRED THIS PAST WEEK OR, AND AFTER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, HE IS DEFINITELY AN INSPIRATION AND NOT A LOT OF OUR OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO MAKE IT THAT LONG. AND SO I'M, I'M REALLY PROUD OF OUR OFFICERS AND, AND, UH, LIEUTENANT BOMBERS LEADERSHIP AND PERSEVERANCE IN THE FACE OF A LOT OF CHANGE THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR CITY. UM, HE'S [00:10:01] BEEN A CONSTANT FOR A LOT OF OUR NEW OFFICERS AND, UM, I'M WISHING HIM THE BEST IN HIS FUTURE ENDEAVORS IN RETIREMENT. UH, WE ALSO HAD A GREAT TIME AT THE TOUCH OF TREK EVENT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE CITY FOR HOSTING THAT I KNOW IT WAS, UH, A QUICK PUT TOGETHER. UM, AND A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE EXCITED ABOUT DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, UM, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN DESCEND UPON CITY HALL AND GET REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WATER TRUCKS AND OUR BACKTRACKS. AND, UM, OF COURSE OUR FIRE TRUCKS AND POLICE CARS AND, UM, AND THEN ALL OF OUR STAFF THAT WAS OUT THERE AS WELL AS AL AND DISPOSAL THAT CAME WITH THEIR TRUCKS, UM, KIDS LOVE TRUCKS, SO THE PARENTS, AND IT WAS JUST A BEAUTIFUL DAY WEATHER-WISE AND, UM, A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY SHOWING WITH A LOT OF, A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE THERE. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYBODY PARTICIPATING AND THE STAFF FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER SO QUICKLY FOR SPRING BREAK. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? I HAVE ONE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UM, FOR HIS FRIDAY LETTERS. I THINK IT PROVIDES COUNSEL WITH REALLY VITAL INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT MAYBE WE'RE, WE DON'T REALLY REALIZE THAT WE'RE MISSING. AND THEN, UM, IN THIS WEEK IN PARTICULAR, HE ACTUALLY ADDED A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE WEBSITE OR MAKE THEM MORE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND THAT WAS, UM, THE PERMIT INFORMATION. AND THEN ALSO THE FOURTH QUARTER, UM, REPORTS FROM THE ISD ON GROWTH AND PROJECTED GROWTH WITHIN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OVER THE YEARS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE I FOUND IT VERY INFORMATIVE, UM, ON THE PERMIT SIDE AND WHAT WE DID ON, YOU KNOW, IN 2021. AND THEN ALSO SEEING THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, JUST HAVING TO MANAGE AFTER THE APPROVAL OF ALL THE ROOFTOPS THAT ARE COMING IN. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THINK, UM, STOP RECORDING, COORDINATING MY INTERVIEW WITH COMMUNITY IMPACT TODAY. UM, IT WAS, IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE SELECTED TO REPRESENT DOWNTOWN HADOW AND ITS HISTORY IN THIS, UM, ARTICLE THAT'S BEING PUT TOGETHER BY CARSON AND IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE, INCLUDE, UM, PFLUGERVILLE AND ROUND ROCKS, DOWNTOWN DISTRICTS. AND, UM, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, I REALLY ENJOY DISCUSSING THE HISTORY AND SHARING THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO GROW IT AND BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND, UM, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HIGHLIGHTING DOWNTOWN AREA AND GETTING, UH, PEOPLE INTERESTED IN WANTING TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT ARTICLE IN APRIL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, ALISON CARSON AND ALSO STACY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? UM, I JUST WANT TO PUT TWO EVENTS OUT THERE. IT'S ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE HAWAIIAN ALLIANCE. THAT'S HAPPENING APRIL 30TH. THAT'S A 5K THAT YOU CAN JOIN 'EM ONLINE. UM, THERE'S ALSO ON MARCH 21ST, THE CHRIS KELLY FUNDRAISER AT RIO GRANDE AND THAT EVENING. SO I BELIEVE IT'S 20% OF THE PROCEEDS ARE GOING TO THE CHRIS KELLY FOUNDATION. UM, THIS WAS A HEAD OF POLICE OFFICER THAT WAS KILLED IN LINE OF ACTION OR AT LINE OF DUTY. THAT'S THE CORRECT WAY TO SAY IT. UM, AND ALSO MARCH 26TH IS, UM, CASINO NIGHT. SO THE HUDDLE ATHLETIC BOOSTER CLUB IS PUTTING THIS ON. IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN FEBRUARY, BUT WITH ALL THE HEIGHTENED COVID NUMBERS, IT GOT MOVED TO MARCH 26. SO WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE, UM, HOW DO ATHLETICS AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? UH, YEAH, ME OR I'VE GOT A COMMENT OR YOU JUST GONNA HAVE A STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO READ AS PART OF MY COMMENTS TODAY, UM, AT THE MARCH 3RD, 2022 CITY COUNCIL MEETING THERE SNYDER MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION REGARDING ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT BY FORMER HADOW CITY MANAGER, OTIS JONES PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED IN 2020 BY A VAN EMPLOYED REPORTER WITH KSAN WAS FINALLY ABLE TO BE LEASED AS DIRECTED BY THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE INFORMATION WAS IN THE FORM OF A NOTICE AND DEMAND LETTER, ALLEGING MISCONDUCT WRITTEN BY THE ALLEGED VICTIM'S ATTORNEY AND SENT TO THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY, MIKE SHAUGHNESSY DATED NOVEMBER 13TH, 2019, IN ORDER TO ENSURE FULL TRANSPARENCY. I FEEL COMPELLED TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC AFTER THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING REGARDING THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEFORE ME, THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2019, A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS CALLED FOR NOVEMBER 16TH, 2019 IN RESPONSE OF THE CITY BEING NOTIFIED OF THE OBLIGATIONS TO ENABLE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY. THE CITY ATTORNEY DID NOT SHARE THE DETAILS OR THE SEVERITY OF THE ALLEGATIONS MADE AGAINST THE CITY MANAGER AT THIS MEETING, APPARENTLY INTENTIONALLY WITHHOLDING CRUCIAL INFORMATION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION WAS INITIATED IMMEDIATELY UPON NOTIFICATION OF THE ALLEGATIONS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ALLEGATIONS WERE SUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE. IT APPEARED TO THE CITY'S HR DIRECTOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WERE JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS INVESTIGATION DURING THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD FIVE DAYS LATER ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2019, THE C COUNSEL WAS PROVIDED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THIS INTERNAL INVESTIGATION, INCLUDING A DETAILED REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING BACKUP MATERIAL AND SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT THE REPORT WAS BASED UPON. IT WAS ONLY THEN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WAS MADE AWARE OF THE SEVERITY OF THE ALLEGATIONS [00:15:01] AGAINST OTIS JONES, WHICH WERE THEN, WHICH WERE DETAILED IN THE NOVEMBER 13TH LETTER. THEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SNYDER WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND DID NOT ATTEND THIS MEETING. THE COUNCIL ELECTED TO RESPOND IN THE WAY IT DID THE ALLEGATIONS BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL RELIED ON THE ADVICE OF THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY AND MAKING ITS DECISIONS ON WHAT RESPONSE WAS NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE ADVICE OF THE BEN CITY ATTORNEY ADVICE, WHICH WE ARE NOW SEEKING COMPENSATION FOR IN COURT UPON EXITING EXECUTIVE SESSION, THE C COUNCIL VOTED TO ENDOMETRIAL AND CONTRACT WITHOUT DECLARING ITS TERMINATION FOR CAUSE ENTERED INTO A SEPARATION AGREEMENT AND ENDED HIS EMPLOYMENT EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST, 2019 DUE WEEKS LATER, THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING ENOUGH DISCOMFORT AS TO THE INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED INTERNALLY AUTHORIZED A SECOND INVESTIGATION OF THE ALLEGATIONS THIS TIME TO BE DONE BY AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR. HOWEVER, LOOKING BACK TODAY, THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR WAS SELECTED BY THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY. THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR PRESENTED THE FINDINGS OF HER INVESTIGATION TO THE COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2019 IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, ALSO IN ATTENDANCE WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY AND AN ATTORNEY ASSIGNED BY THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE IN INTERGOVERNMENTAL RISK POOL WHO HAD BEEN ASSIGNED TO REPRESENT THE CITY IN THE EVENT LITIGATION AFTER THIS INFORMATION WAS REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED ITEM 11 M ON THAT AGENDA WITH READ CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE CITY MANAGER'S CONTRACT. DURING THAT ITEM, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAD THE AUTHORITY TO PROPOSE ANY ACTION ON THE STATUS OF THE C MANAGER'S EMPLOYMENT, INCLUDING A MOTION TO RESCIND THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT OR TO MODIFY THE SEPARATION TO BE FOR CAUSE OR TO ACCEPT THE DECISION MADE AT THE PRIOR MEETING, BASED ON THE INFORMATION KNOWN TO US AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NO ACTION TO ALTER THE PRIOR ACTION. INSTEAD, THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS SNYDER MOTION TO PLACE THE CITY MANAGER ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE WITH PAY THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2019. THIS WAS SECONDED BY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER TANTAROS ROSE AND THE ITEM PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. AT THE END OF LAST WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING, I REQUESTED AN ITEM TO BE PLACED ON TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CONTENTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED INTO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN NOVEMBER, IN DECEMBER, 2019. THESE TWO INVESTIGATION REPORTS CONTAINED VALUABLE CONTEXT AND DETAIL INTO WHAT THE COUNCIL HEARD ON NOVEMBER 21ST AND DECEMBER 19TH, 2019 REGARDING THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE ALLEGATIONS AND WHICH PROMPT THE COUNCIL DID NOT RESCIND THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT AND FIRE THE CITY MANAGER FOR CAUSE. BUT TO INSTEAD PUT HIM ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, WE RELIED ON THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY AND HIS RECOMMENDED INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR TO PROVIDE US WITH CANDIDATE EVIDENCE REGARDING THE MATTER THAT INFORMATION IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD BEFORE US TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS. THERE WAS A LOT BACK THEN THAT WE WERE NOT TOLD ABOUT WHAT WE COULD AND COULDN'T DO WITH OUR NEW ATTORNEYS. WE HAVE DISCOVERED THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A GREAT DEAL, MORE AUTHORITY THAN WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD AT THE TIME. AND WE NOW INTEND TO USE IT TO KEEP THE CITY PROSPEROUS AND GROWING. IF WE WERE TOLD BY THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY THAT THE INTERNAL INVESTIGATION REVEAL PROOF OF MISCONDUCT, I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST THE NO CAUSE SEPARATION AGREEMENT. IF THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATORS REPORT SHOWED EVIDENCE, SUPPORTING THE ALLEGATIONS, I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO FIRE THE CITY MANAGER FOR CAUSE, AND I WOULD'VE MADE THE MOTION. AND IF NO ONE ELSE HAD MY ACTIONS AND DECISIONS IN THIS REGARD WERE MADE RELYING ON THE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION GATHERED IN THE INVESTIGATIONS AND PROVIDED BY THE THEN CITY ATTORNEY, THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR, THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL RISK POOL ATTORNEY AND THE CITY HR DIRECTOR COULD THE CITY COUNCIL HAD BEEN GIVEN BAD OR LIMITED ADVICE REGARDING THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US WITH REGARD TO ACTIONS WE COULD HAVE TAKEN IN HINDSIGHT, THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY YES, BASED ON ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED ABOUT THE TIME AND HOW THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY MISLED US IN OTHER THINGS. BUT DID I BELIEVE THAT WE WERE BEING MANIPULATED AT THE TIME? NO, I MADE THE BEST DECISIONS I COULD WITH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME. I TRUSTED OUR APPOINTED ATTORNEYS AND I BELIEVE THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE THEY LET US DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S DO COUNCIL MEMBERS LEFT. OKAY, THANKS. WE'LL GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. UH, SO THIS LAST WEEK, UH, THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, UM, THIS LAST WEEKEND, THEY ACTUALLY WENT ON A TOUR OF ALL OF OUR PARKS WITH OUR PARK SUPERVISOR, MR. JEFF WHITE. AND, UM, AS THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THEM, MAKING SURE THAT THE PRIORITIES THEY'RE BRINGING TO COUNCIL FOR MAINTENANCE REPAIR AND NEW ADDITIONS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEEING OUT THERE. AND SO, UM, THEY ALL GOT TO DRIVE AROUND TOGETHER AND GO PARK TO PARK. SO THAT WAS REALLY GREAT. UM, THEY HAD GREAT IDEAS AND THE, THEY MET THIS LAST WEEK ON WEDNESDAY AND CONTINUED WITH FORWARD WITH CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL FOR, FOR TO FINISH OFF THIS BUDGET SEASON AND THEN OUR NEXT BUDGET SEASON AS IT'S COMING UP FORWARD. UM, AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THERE. UM, AND SOME SURPRISE, FUN, COOL THINGS COMING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. SO GOOD PARKS MEETING. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FROM THE HISTORICAL PRES HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION. UM, I SAID BEFORE THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THE HISTORY OF HOW-TO AND WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE MORE UPDATES TO THIS POINT. UM, I DID GET AN [00:20:01] UPDATE TODAY AND WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO RESIGNATIONS ON THE WRITING COMMITTEE AND BECAUSE OF COVID AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON, IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO COORDINATE. UM, THERE ARE CHAPTERS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON NOW. UM, THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM AND THEY ARE STILL, UM, WORKING TO GET THIS TOGETHER. AND, UM, IF ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT'S LISTENING THAT LOVES HISTORY AND LOVES TO WRITE. UM, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO MYSELF AND, UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THAT. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL UPDATE ON THE, UM, DIVERSITY INCLUSION COMMISSION, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. SO I'VE BEEN WORKING HOME PROCLAMATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, BUT THEY, UH, APPROVED THEIR BANNER, UM, WHICH I THINK YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GONNA, LIKE WHENEVER YOU SEE IT, UM, THEY PUT SO MUCH THOUGHT AND EFFORT INTO THAT. UM, IF YOU GO BACK AND TO, OR WATCH ANY DNI MEETING, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THAT'D BE THE ONE. UM, IT JUST, IT WAS JUST A GENUINE, UM, GREAT MEETING, A LOT OF WORK. UM, IT JUST WAS VERY, JUST, IT WAS JUST REALLY EXCITING TO BE THERE AT THE MEETING AND SEEING THE PROGRESS THAT THEY'RE MAKING, UM, AND LEAPS AND BOUNDS. AND SO THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING TO US WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL FOR SPEAKERS AND TRAIN. UM, AND THERE IS AN AGENDA ITEM THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY MOVE UP, UM, AS THOSE COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE HERE. UM, SO 11.5, WHENEVER WE, UM, AFTER WE APPROVED CONSENT, IF WE CAN MOVE UP 11.5, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT ONE FOR EDC. WE MET, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME ECONOMIC DEALS COMING. I KNOW THERE'S FOR WANTING UPDATES. I CAN'T SHARE MORE THAN WE TALKED ABOUT SOME DEALS COMING OUR WAY. SO HOPEFULLY WE GET TO ENOUGH. SO SOON WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST ON ANOTHER BOARD, WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MEETING. WE HAVE, UH, FOUR MEMBERS, MATT SELBY, UH, TOM COMA, MARCUS COLEMAN, AND DONNA JONES. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, THEY BRING ALL DIFFERENT, UM, EXPERIENCE LEVELS FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, UH, TO THE BOARD. UM, WE STARTED ON AN OBJECTIVE AND WE AGREED TO AN OBJECTIVE. SO I'LL IT OUT WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL IT'S OBJECTIVE OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO MAKE AN ACTION PLAN TO AID THE CITIZENS OF HOW-TO IN THE EVENT OF A NATURAL DISASTER OR MCI MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT IN THE CITY OF HUTTOE. THIS COMMITTEE IS TO FORMULATE A PLAN AND OVERSEE ITS IMPLEMENTATION. THE PLAN WAS FOLLOW ALL STATE AND OTHER LAWS AND BE WITHIN FEMA GUIDELINES TO HELP THE CITY RESIDENTS TO BETTER COPE WITH THE EMERGENCY. THIS EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN HAS TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE TO ALL RESIDENTS OF HADOW AND ADMINIS ADMINISTERED. EQUALLY. WE STARTED ON THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS COMMUNICATION. SO THAT IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENS LIKE WE HAD A YEAR AGO, UM, THE GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, GET IT TO WHERE OUR POLICE AND FIRE ARE WORKING ON WITH POLICE AND FIRE SHOULD BE WORKING ON. AND SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO AS THE REST OF THE POPULATION WHO HELPS EACH OTHER? WE CAN'T ALL 30,000 DEPEND ON THE CITY TO HANDLE THAT. AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON COMMUNICATION, SOME IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, OR, UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW, HAM RADIOS WERE STILL AROUND, BUT HAM RADIOS, THEY BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE CELL PHONES AND THEY OPERATE COMPLETELY OFF ANY EMERGENCY CHANNEL. SO THEY DON'T INTERFERE WITH THAT. THEY CAME UP WITH A 30, 60, 90 DAY ACTION PLAN ON THE COMMUNICATION. UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR MORE MEMBERS TO ADD INTO THIS. UM, SOME OTHER IDEAS FOR A CITY MAP, UM, IN CASE ENTIRE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS WENT DOWN AND YOU COULDN'T GET ONLINE. UM, HOW DO WE KNOW GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES? LIKE IN TERMS OF WE HAD TO SHUT OFF FOR WATER DUE TO SOME CONTAMINATION THAT HAPPENED, UM, WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE DO THEN? SO IF YOU'VE ANY INTEREST IN THIS WHATSOEVER AND GETTING TO BE A PART OF THIS, PLEASE APPLY. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE MEETING ON TUESDAYS. OUR NEXT MEETING IS, OH, THEY'RE GONNA BE AT ME, THAT'S COMING UP. AND I APOLOGIZE. OH, NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 29TH AT 6:30 PM. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. OKAY. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE BUT A PUBLIC COMMENT. [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] I DIDN'T GET ANY, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM HERE. WE DID RECEIVE ONE ONLINE. WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE IT. CAROLYN KAYDEN HAD ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS RECEIVED YOUR COMMENT. SO IT HAS BEEN RECEIVED WITH THAT LOOP. DO CONSENT AGENDA. [9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] WE HAVE ITEMS 9 1 9 2 9 3 9 4 9 5 AND NINE SIX UPPER CONSIDERATION. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM 9.6 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE. THERE WAS NO OBJECTIONS TO REMOVING NINE, SIX. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK TO REMOVE ITEM NINE TWO, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE 9 1 9 3 9 4 9 5 OR I GUESS DISAPPROVE THE MOTION [00:25:01] BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. SECONDLY, BY A COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLIN APPROVING ITEMS 9 1 9 3 9 4 9 5 IS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. HI COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. I TELL SOME MEMBER MCKINSEY. I HELD A NUMBER OF OTHER RURAL SOUTH HILL BY MAYOR SNYDER. MAYOR PRO TEM JORDAN MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. WE HAVE OUT OF NINE TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION OUR DASH 2022 DASH 11. OKAY. AHEAD OF THAT. OKAY. NO OBJECTIONS. THERE WE GO TO ITEM 11, [12.5. Presentation and possible action regarding diversity and inclusion training. (Council Member Kinsey)] FIVE PRESENTATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION TRAINING. UM, I'VE MR. BRIAN THOMPSON IS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. HE HAD SOME, SOME WORDS THAT HE WANTED TO SHARE WITH US. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE FLOOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS ITEM UP. UM, I HAVE WITH ME AS WELL, UM, COUNCIL OR COMMISSION MEMBER, UM, UH, PRIETTO. SHE IS, UM, A COMPANY OF ME TODAY, UM, TO GIVE YOU ALL A, KIND OF AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, I THINK WHEN THIS COMMISSION WAS FORMED, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, UM, NOT CHARGED TO US, BUT ASKED OF US WAS TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS THAT WE COULD, UM, PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL ON WAYS TO BETTER POSITION OURSELVES, UM, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION. UM, I WOULDN'T SAY SENSITIVE, BUT MORE COGNIZANT OF DIVERSITY INCLUSION WITHIN THE CITY. AND WE WANTED TO DO THAT THIS EVENING, UM, AS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY STATED, UM, WE'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, REGARDING OUR, OUR BANNER THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN USE AT DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. UM, IN AND AROUND THE CITY, WE'VE ALSO WORKED ON, UM, PARTNERING WITH THE CITY STAFF TO CREATE, UM, A SURVEY THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY GO OUT THIS SPRING. UM, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN DOING TRAININGS EVERY EVERY MONTH AND THESE TRAININGS HAVE BEEN FREE TRAININGS THAT WE FOUND ON OUR OWN. UM, JUST WAITING FOR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL ON A SET NUMBER OF FUNDS THAT WE CAN LOOK TO, UM, PURCHASE, UM, PAY TRAINING. AND SO, UM, THAT'S JUST BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION HAVE TAKEN ON OURSELVES JUST TO, YOU KNOW, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE EDUCATED, BUT ALSO TO, UM, TO, TO BETTER, TO BETTER SERVE THE CITIZENS OF HUTTOE BY, BY, UM, UM, PARTICIPATING IN FREE TRAINING. AND ONE OF THE FREE TRAININGS THAT WE HAD, UM, THAT WE ARE HERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS THE TRAINING DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION IN THE WORKPLACE OFFERED BY, UM, JIM CO TAKA. I WAS MESSED UP HER LAST NAME. TOKAJI, UH, E S S E C BUSINESS SCHOOL. UM, THIS IS A TRAINING THAT WE DID LAST MONTH. UM, GRACIE HAS THE LINK THAT SHE CAN PROVIDE TO, TO COUNSEL, BUT THIS WAS A GREAT TRAINING THAT WE DID THAT REALLY FOCUSED IN ON DIVERSITY INCLUSION IN THE WORKPLACE. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN'T COVER ALL OF THE ASPECTS WITHIN DIVERSITY INCLUSION IN THE WORKPLACE, BUT IT DID PROVIDE SOME VERY KEY INSIGHTS THAT EACH, UM, COMMISSION MEMBER WAS ABLE TO SHARE AT OUR LAST MEETING. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THAT MEETING AS, UM, THERE WERE SOME GREAT INSIGHTS SHARED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER PRIETTO, COMMISSIONER WALKER, COMMISSIONER SPOONS, UH, COMMISSIONER CHEN AND MYSELF. UM, AND, AND REALLY, IT WAS JUST A GREAT CONVERSATION, A VERY, UM, EYE-OPENING CONVERSATION AS EACH OF US LEARN DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SHARE WITH EACH OTHER, BUT ALSO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, REALLY OPENED UP THE DOORS FOR US TO SHARE OUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES. AND I THINK THAT WAS REALLY THE BEAUTY THAT CAME FROM, FROM US TAKING THIS TRAINING. ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO LEAVE YOU ALL WITH BEFORE, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THIS TRAINING IS, UM, A LITTLE SNIPPET OF THE TRAINING, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF INCLUSION. UM, AND IT SAYS IN ORDER TO LEVERAGE DIVERSITY IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH EACH INDIVIDUAL CAN BRING ALL OF THEIR CHARACTERISTICS. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE TRAINING GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT INCLUSION DIVERSITY, BUT REALLY ANOTHER POINT THAT I REALLY LIKED WAS THE KEY TO CREATING AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT IS THROUGH CHANGING MENTALITIES FROM CATEGORICAL TO INDIVIDUAL AND TO SEE ALL THE POTENTIAL IN EACH PERSON. UM, I REALLY LIKED THAT BECAUSE I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THIS COUNCIL, UM, REALLY KIND OF EMBODIES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, FROM SHIFTING OUR MENTALITY AS, AS HUTTOE FROM CATEGORICAL TO, OR SORRY, FROM, FROM CATEGORICAL TO INDIVIDUALS, REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THE BENEFITS OF, OF EACH PERSON WITHIN HADOW. I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE, THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TH TH TH THE TENSIONS THAT WE DO HAVE, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S WRONG. SOMETIMES. I FEEL LIKE, YEAH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE, COULD BE, UM, UM, DONE DIFFERENTLY. BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY SHIFTING THAT MINDSET HERE IN HUDDLE FROM BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, CATEGORICAL TO REALLY FOCUSING IN ON THE INDIVIDUAL. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FROM EACH ONE OF YOU. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WHEN YOU TAKE THIS TRAINING, IF YOU CHOOSE TO TICKET, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT POINT, [00:30:01] UM, ESPECIALLY, OR AT LEAST COMING FROM ME, BUT, UM, I'M SURE ALL OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR POINTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL SO INCLINED, PLEASE JOIN US AT ONE OF OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS, AND WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, BUT THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR COMMISSION. UM, IT REALLY DOES MEAN A LOT. WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T COVER EVERYTHING IN OUR COMMISSION, BUT WE REALLY DO TRY. AND I THINK THAT EFFORT, THAT, THAT GOAL THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP TRYING IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES NOT ONLY OUR COMMISSION STRONG, BUT MAKES OUR CITY COUNCIL STRONG AND IN TURN MAKES OUR COMMUNITY STRONG. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. UM, AND, UM, AGAIN, GRACIE HAS THE LINK TO THE TRAINING AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, PLEASE JOIN US AT OUR MEETINGS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT ONE. SO BRIAN, THAT TRAINING, IS IT ONE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE TAKEN LIKE IN PERSON AS A GROUP? LIKE WE WOULD ALL TAKE IT TOGETHER OR IS IT JUST LIKE ONLINE KIND OF SELF-PACED WE TAKE IT INDIVIDUALLY? YEAH, IT'S ONLINE. IT'S, IT'S, SELF-PACED, IT'S FREE. UM, AND, UM, I BELIEVE IT TAKES NO MORE THAN PROBABLY I'D SAY THREE TO FOUR DAYS. UM, IF YOU'RE KIND OF PACING YOURSELF AT, AT, AT DOING IT, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN KNOCK IT OUT IN AN ENTIRE DAY, BUT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT, BRIAN. UM, THIS IS AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE UP THE MANTLE, ALIGN SOME FREE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING AND, UM, EDUCATION AS WE GET THE COMMISSION GOING FORWARD. UM, SO, SO AS TO NOT BE PERFORMATIVE THAT WE JUST TAKE THE TRAINEES EIGHT, WE TOOK IT AND THEN DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. UM, WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOR OF AMBIENT A STEP FURTHER WITH THE COUNCIL OF, HEY, TRY TO TAKE IT BY A CERTAIN DATE AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN JOIN YOU GUYS AND DO LIKE A WORKSHOP WITH DNI AND TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE HOW WE CAN APPLY IT TO THE CITY. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AS A COMMISSION. UM, I THINK AS BEING A RECOMMENDING BODY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, HEY, TAKE THE TRAINING. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS AGAIN, CHOOSE TO DO THAT, UH, WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ALL ON, ON, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT WORKSHOP. I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD APPRECIATE IT. UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUTTING A FACE TO A NAME AND NOT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, BUT HEY, THIS IS ACTUALLY COUNSELING AND RESET. AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GAINED FROM THE TRAINING, WHAT WE GAINED FROM THE TRAINING AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO SYNC UP AND DO THAT, THAT WORKSHOP. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT, UM, TO TAKE A FORWARD WITH THAT, JUST SO THAT WITH LIKE OUR OTHER COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, WE TAKE THEIR ADVICE AND IF WE ADOPT IT AND WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT, WE, THEN WE'RE DOING THAT TO THEN IMPLEMENT IT INTO THE COMMUNITY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION OR IN POLICY AS I WANT US TO DO THE SAME WITH WHAT Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING TO US AND, AND REALLY MAKE SURE WE IMPLEMENTED AND TAKE SERIOUSLY. UM, SO I WOULD ASK IF COUNCIL MCKINSEY COULD WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON, YOU KNOW, BRINGING BACK SOME, SOME DATES FOR A WORKSHOP THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER, EITHER ON A THURSDAY BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING OR AT ONE OF Y'ALL'S MEETINGS, THAT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. WE'LL SYNC UP WITH THE COUNCILMAN MCKINSEY AND REPORT BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. IF I COULD ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU WERE Y'ALL WERE WAITING ON COUNCIL TO APPROVE FUNDS, HAVE YOU ALL IDENTIFIED TRAINING THAT WOULD REQUIRE FUNDS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON TO DISCUSS A PARTICULAR TRAINING AND THEN APPROVE THE FUNDS TO MOVE FORWARD? YES. SO, UM, WE DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM TO COME BACK TO OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS NEXT MONTH, UM, ON THE THIRD TUESDAY OF NEXT MONTH TO COME BACK WITH ONE TO TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, PER EACH COUNCIL MEMBER COMMISSION MEMBER, UM, FROM THERE, WE WILL DECIDE ON WHICH TRAINING TO TAKE, AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK, I GUESS, THROUGH COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY, UM, ON WHICH TRAINING WE SELECTED, WHY AND HOW MUCH IT WILL COST. OKAY. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH WE HAVE. I KNOW WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR IT, RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THOSE OPTIONS WILL HELP OUT TO KIND OF GIVE US A BALLPARK ON HOW MUCH FUNDING WE SHOULD UTILIZE FOR THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT GUYS. WE'RE COMING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TITLE NINE TO CONSIDERATION [9.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2022-017 authorizing the City to continue its membership with the Atmos Cities Steering Committee to protect the interests of the City of Hutto and protect the interests of the customers of Atmos Energy Corporation, Mid-Tex Division residing and conducting business within the City limits. (Second reading)] POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION OUR DASH 2022 DASH 0 1 7, AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO CONTINUE ITS MEMBERSHIP WITH THE ATMOS CITIES STEERING COMMITTEE TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF HOW-TO AND PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CUSTOMERS OF ATMOS ENERGY COMPANY, MID TEXT DIVISION RESIDING, AND CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. I'LL ASK THAT THIS BE PULLED, UM, BECAUSE I GENERALLY DO NOT, UM, DO NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF ANY KIND OF LOBBYING MONEY BEING SPENT THIS TAXPAYER. AND SO ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS A SEPARATE VOTE ON THIS ITEM. SO WHEN THIS CAME UP LAST YEAR, UM, ON THE DIOCESE WAS LIKE MY FIRST NOTES. AND I HAD MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SEE HOW IT WENT FOR THIS YEAR. AND THEN, UM, WHEN IT CAME BACK UP ON THE DYES FOR US TO LOOK AT, SEE WHAT BENEFITS WERE BROUGHT TO THE CITY WITH THIS MEMBERSHIP, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WITHOUT MOST? WE DO HAVE THE ATTORNEY THOMAS MERCATO, BUT HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. IF YOU'D WANT TO HEAR HIM SPEAK TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE DURING THE YEAR, WE WOULD ASK TO HAVE THIS POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING. I, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO, I REMEMBER HE SPOKE LAST YEAR TO US. AND [00:35:01] AGAIN, THAT WAS MY QUALIFIER FOR IF WE WENT FORWARD AND NEXT YEAR, UM, JUST TO SEE HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY HELPED THE RESIDENTS, UM, SINCE IT IS A SMALL COST, BUT IT'S LITTLE COST AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO TABLE IT UNTIL MR. MERCADO COULD BE HERE. ANY OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL, RIGHT. HEARING NONE. IF WE CAN JUST PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. I MEAN, MR. MERCADO CAN MAKE IT ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES ITEM NINE, SIX MAYOR COUNCIL. WOULD YOU MIND MOVING THIS AGENDA ITEM TILL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION? I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, SO THAT WE'LL MOVE THAT UNTIL AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON. ITEM 10, ONE CONSIDERATION [10.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-001 for the proposed Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning request for the property known as NorthStar Hutto Planned Unit Development (PUD), 11.74 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Exchange Boulevard. The land use proposal is active adult 55+ multi-family use. (Second Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin).] AND SELECTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER OH DASH 2022 DASH 0 0 1 FOR THE PROPOSED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD ZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS NORTH STAR HADOW PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PUD 11.7, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. THE LAND USE PROPOSAL IS ACTIVE ADULT 55 AND OVER MULTI-FAMILY USE GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME'S JUSTIN WALKER, I'M CHOCOLATE VENTURES, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS, UM, THIS POTENTIAL ACTIVE ADULT, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UH, PROJECT. THIS FRED ON AN EXCHANGE IS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF RECAP, UH, LAST TIME WE MET, THERE WAS INTEREST IN KNOWING MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ACTIVE ADULT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. SO, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A LIST THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF RUN DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT. UM, SO, SO NUMBER ONE REALLY IS NOT SO MUCH A CONSTRUCTION OR DESIGN, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT THAT WE WOULD INCORPORATE AS PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT MORE, UH, MARKETING, UH, IN BRANDING, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ITEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WILL BE CALLED NAMED BRANDON NORTHSTAR HADOW, UM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEAL THAT WE RECENTLY DEVELOPED IN GEORGETOWN, UM, WHICH WAS ALSO AN ACTIVE ADULT DEAL, UM, CALLED NORTHSTAR GEORGETOWN. SO WE WOULD INTEND FOR THE WHOLE DEAL AND EVERY OTHER, YOU KNOW, FUTURE SUBSEQUENT ACTIVITY THAT WE, WE DEVELOPED WHEREVER IT IS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BRANDED CONSISTENTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL TEND TO CALL THIS NORTHSTAR HADOW, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S THE 10 ITEMS THAT ARE IN OUR PACKET LIST OF 10 ITEMS, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT'S PAGE 89, IF ANYONE ELSE'S, WASN'T QUITE SURE WHERE IT'S AT, BUT I FOUND IT. SO THAT, THAT WAS NUMBER ONE ON THAT LIST. UM, NUMBER TWO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT LAST TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, BEING AN ACTIVE ADULT, 55 AND UP NO DEVELOPMENT ELEVATORS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT HAVING TO GO UP AND DOWN STAIRS CONSTANTLY TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS FLOORS TWO AND THREE. UM, IT WILL BE A THREE STORY DEAL. UM, SO EACH BUILDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL HAVE AN ELEVATOR AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MINDFUL OF WHERE THOSE ELEVATORS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDINGS. WE TRY TO MAKE THEM MOST PROXIMATE TO ALL THE UNITS AS A WHOLE. SO, UM, IN THIS INSTANCE THERE'LL BE IN THE CENTER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FROM A WALKING DISTANCE STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS CLOSE AS IT CAN BE TO EACH UNIT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. IT'S A BIG DISTINGUISHING FACTOR. UM, NUMBER THREE IS THAT BATHROOMS. SO WE DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT STRUCTURAL BLOCKING ON THE WALLS TO ALLOW FOR GRAB BARS, NOT ALL THE RESIDENTS PREFER TO HAVE THOSE, BUT YOU NEED THE BLOCKING IN THE WALLS TO ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MOUNT THEM LATER ON, IF THEY'RE SO REQUESTED. SO WE'LL GO AND BUY A LOT OF THOSE GRAB BARS AND WE'LL KEEP THEM IN STOCK. AND TO THE EXTENT THE REQUESTS WE'VE GOT THEM, WE CAN INSTALL THEM QUICKLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE RESIDENTS. SO, UM, THAT'S EVERY UNIT WOULD HAVE THAT BLOCK, RIGHT. SO ANYONE WHO ASKS WORK AND GET IT CORRECT. SO TYP TYPICALLY IT'S AROUND, YOU KNOW, BATHTUB, SHOWER, ENCLOSURES, TOILETS, EVERYWHERE. YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT TAKE ONE. SO WHEN I SAY, AND THEN WHEN I SAY BLOCKING, IT'S LIKE A TWO-BY-SIX STRUCTURAL MEMBER IN THE, IN THE WALL BEHIND THE DRYWALL OR THE TILE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT COULD BE NOT INTO, YOU KNOW, SAFELY, UM, LET'S SEE. NUMBER CAN I SURE. SO SINCE YOU'RE MAKING US OVER 55 AND NOT FOR SOMETIME A FUTURE RAGGED, MULTI-FAMILY WHY NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT ALL THE BARS AND STUFF IN AND HAVE IT SET UP. WHY WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO THEN? SO THE ONLY REASON I'M NOT IS BECAUSE NON-RESIDENTS WANT THEM SOME PREFER NOT TO HAVE THEM. SO WE'LL PUT THEM IN SOME UNITS, NOT ALL OF THEM, THEY HAVE THE ADA OR ASSESSABLE UNITS WE'LL HAVE THEM THE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM, BUT EVERY UNIT IS SET UP SO THAT THEY CAN BE MOUNTED. AND WE, LIKE I SAID, WE KEEP THEM IN STOCK, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK BACK OF THE HOUSE KIND OF DEAL SO THAT IF THEY REQUEST THEM, WE CAN CONSOLE THEM WITHIN, YOU KNOW, DAY BECAUSE WE GOT THEM. SO THAT THAT PERSON MOVES OUT A NEW PERSON IS, AND IT DOESN'T WANT IT. THEN YOU TAKE IT OUT AND REPAIR. YOU COULD CORRECT. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE MOUNTED IN TILE, IF YOU WERE TO PULL THEM OFF THE TILE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME TOWEL WORK, BUT IT'S RELATIVELY LOW IMPACT. IF YOU'RE TO PULL THEM OFF. UH, NUMBER FOUR, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE SHOWERS. [00:40:01] SO, YOU KNOW, ONE CONSIDERATION IS, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT OF THE BLIP AS YOU WALK INTO THE SHOWER. UM, SO WE PUT IN ALL THE PROFILE, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOWER PAN. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, STANDARD MIGHT BE THREE OR FOUR INCHES. THESE MIGHT BE CLOSER TO TWO OR MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT A LITTLE BIT LESS. SO THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION THAT WE INCORPORATE INTO THE DESIGN, JUST FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND THE AGE OF OUR RESIDENTS, NUMBER FIVE IS KIND OF THE OUTDOOR AMENITY POOL AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, HEATED, HOT TUB AND SPA OUTSIDE. THAT'S A REALLY BIG, UM, YOU KNOW, FEATURE THAT EVERYONE LOVES THESE THEM EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE AT NIGHT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN GEORGETOWN WE HAD THE THING RUNNING PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY LONG. UM, IT WAS USED MOST FREQUENTLY IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS. SO, UM, SO WE WILL HAVE A HOT TUB, YOU KNOW, THE RAILINGS USED TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE POOL AND THE HOT TUB. UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE NEED TO BE KIND OF BOLSTERED. THEY'RE LARGER, LONGER, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T JUST TERMINATE, RIGHT. AS YOU GO INTO THE POOL THAT YOU CAN WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO THE POOL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE HOLDING ONTO A RAIL. SO WE'VE GOT YOU NO LONGER, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED, UM, NO RAILINGS AND GRAB BARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THE POOL. AND THE, AND, UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE, NUMBER FIVE IS THE, UH, THE POOL LIFT APPARATUS. SO WE'VE GOT THAT, IT'S THE ADA COMPLIANT, UM, YOU KNOW, APPARATUS THAT IF SOMEBODY IS NOT ABLE TO WALK DOWNSTAIRS INTO THE POOL AND YOU'VE GOT THIS BASICALLY LIFT THE BULLET THEM UP AND LOWER THEM DOWN THE POOL. SO WE'VE GOT THAT AS WELL. AND THAT'S REQUIRED TO KNOW POOLS GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? IS THAT IT MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT ADA IS THAT WHEN YOU BUILD LIKE A HOTEL, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A HOTEL IN A HOTEL, I'M NOT SURE UNLESS YOU HAVE LIKE A CLUB OR SOMETHING. UM, BUT IF IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ANY WAY YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT GOING FORWARD, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE HOTELS. I'M NOT SURE ON THE, JUST A STANDARD CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY DEAL, BUT I KNOW JUST BEING, I'M A 55 DEALS, GEORGETOWN, AT LEAST, AND WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT. UM, SO IT WAS AN EXTRA, OR I HAD TO, I CAN ANSWER THIS REPORT, UH, MR. MAYOR, JUST FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE, IT DEPENDS ON LOCAL CODE. IN OUR MIND, THE CODE IS IRRELEVANT HERE. IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED REGARDLESS FOR THE PROPERTY, TO YOUR POINT, IF IT IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT REQUIRED ALREADY BY CODE, BY FEDERAL CODE. EVEN IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DEPENDING ON LOCAL CODE, BUT IT'S KIND OF AN ISSUE IN THAT. IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, THAT WITH OUR ATTENTIVE OFFICES AS A, IT NEEDS TO BE PLUS LIKE WE'VE GOT, UM, JUST NORTH OF YOU AND KIND OF NORTHEAST OF YOU, THERE'S TWO MULTIFAMILY UNITS GOING IN. I'M PRETTY SURE BOTH, BOTH HAVE SWIMMING POOLS. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SWIMMING POOLS THAT WILL BE ACCESSED ONLY BY THE RESIDENTS. THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC. SO THEY WOULDN'T, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS, THIS, AND ERIC YOURS WON'T BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EITHER. IT'S OPEN FOR ONLY FOR RESIDENTS FIT THAT QUALIFICATION OF PUBLIC POOL. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. UM, NUMBER SIX. SO ASSESSABLE SIDEWALK PATHWAYS. SO OUR AMENITY BUILDING WHERE KIND OF THE CLUBHOUSE IS GOING TO BE IT'LL WILL BE ELEVATED. UM, SO THE POOL AND OUTDOOR AMENITY AREAS KIND OF SUNKEN DOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, RAMPS, ASSESSABLE, UM, PATHWAYS, YOU KNOW, LEADING FROM THE ELEVATED AREAS DOWN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POOL AREA AND THE YOGA LAWN AND THE GARDEN AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK FOR CODE, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM GOING BOTH WAYS. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO OR THREE. UM, SO THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF, FROM WHEREVER YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, VERY EASILY. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO KIND OF TRAVERSE, YOU KNOW, STEPS NECESSARILY. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE OUTDOOR AMENITY AREA, UM, FEATURE PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL FEATURE A RESIDENT GARDEN AREA AT A TIME AND STILL FORM OUR RESIDENTS WILL FORM KIND OF GARDEN CLUBS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND KIND OF MAINTAIN IT. SO, UM, THAT'S A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THERE'S A YOGA AND FITNESS LAWN. SO, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR PROGRAMMING WE'LL HAVE A THIRD-PARTY, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATOR COME IN THAT KIND OF LEADS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALL OF OUR AMENITIES ARE NOT A MANY SITES FOR PROGRAMMING. UM, SO COOKING CLASSES, FITNESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE THEY DO. UM, THEY DO LIKE ALL THE TRIVIA NIGHT STUFF, CASINO NIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL THE, ALL THE FUN STUFF, FLOWER ARRANGING CLASSES. UM, SO THAT, THAT YOGA LAWN WILL BE USED FOR KIND OF THE FITNESS YOGA, UM, YOU KNOW, AREA IN PROGRAMMING. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DOG PARK, THE DOG PARKS, A HUGE, A HUGE THING THAT YOU'D SEE THOSE IN MAYBE CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY DEALS, BUT IN THESE WE'D BE REALLY TRY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. AND I MEAN, EVERYBODY, I THINK IT WAS 75% OF OUR RESIDENTS AT GEORGETOWN HAVE HAD DOGS. UM, SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY, UM, UTILIZED HEAVILY. AND SO WE REALLY TRY TO PUT AN EMPHASIS ON, ON A DOG PARK, UM, NUMBER EIGHT. SO THIS HAS TO DO WITH SECURITY. UM, OUR RESIDENTS ARE ALWAYS VERY CONCERNED, UM, WITH SECURITY, SO FULLY GATED, 24 7 KEY CARD ACCESS. UM, WE'VE GOT FIVE ENTRY AND TALKING OF ALL THE [00:45:01] COMMUNITY AREAS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SECURE AND THAT OUR RESIDENTS FEEL SAFE WHEN WE'RE THERE. AND THEN 10, THIS KINDA HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF UNITS AND THE LAYOUTS AND THE UNIT MIX. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE ANY STUDIOS, UM, AS PART OF OUR MIX. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING LARGER UNITS. UM, SO NONE OF OUR UNITS WILL BE THE KIND OF THAT STUDIO, YOU KNOW, LAYOUT WHERE YOU JUST HAVE ONE BIG ROOM AND A KITCHEN. ESSENTIALLY, WE WILL HAVE JUST ONE BEDROOMS AND TWO BEDROOMS. SO THE ONE BEDROOMS, UM, WE'LL HAVE DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, BEDROOMS. SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE CONVENTIONAL DEALS THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT THESE DAYS, THE DMS KEEP GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER, AND YOU, THESE EFFICIENCY OR STUDIO UNITS THAT ARE UNDER 700 SQUARE FEET, 600 SQUARE FEET SOMETIMES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, THIS UNIT MIX IS REALLY KIND OF GEARED TOUR TOWARD OUR RESIDENTS AND THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND THEIR WANTS AND THEIR NEEDS OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, MORE SPACE. SO THAT WOULD CONCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE LIST KIND OF FROM A CONSTRUCTION DESIGN STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LIST BELOW, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DID LIST, UM, WE'RE POINTING OUT, I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME OF OUR OPERATIONAL FEATURES AND AMENITIES. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT A THIRD-PARTY PROGRAMMING COMPANY THAT COMES IN TO THE HANDLES KIND OF ALL OF THE PROGRAMMING, GENERALLY FROM ALL THE CLASSES, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EVENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN, I THINK THAT THE EXISTING DEAL, UM, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT'S DOWN THE STREET. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK, I BELIEVE WITH THE CITY A LOT, UM, TO HOLD EVENTS. UM, SO WE WOULD INTEND TO DO THE SAME THING AND OFFER OUR SPACES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS FOR, FOR THE SENIORS. UM, NUMBER TWO ON THE KIND OF THE AMENITIES AND OPERATIONAL FEATURES LIST IS A CONCIERGE. SO AS PART OF OUR STAFF, WE HAVE A DEDICATED CONCIERGE, UM, THAT'S THERE TO, YOU KNOW, ASSIST OUR RESIDENTS WITH KIND OF EVERYTHING, UM, ANYTHING THEY MIGHT NEED. SO A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MOVING IN, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR CABLE AND INTERNET SET UP. THAT'S A BIG ONE, UM, TRANSPORTATION RESERVATIONS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED A RIDE SOMEWHERE UNTIL SET UP, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION TO WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING IN COORDINATION, JUST REALLY ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT REALLY ANYTHING THEY, THIS IS KIND OF THEIR PERSON TO GO TO. AND THAT PERSON IS DEDICATED TO BE THERE TO REALLY HELP THEM WITH WHATEVER THEY NEED. SO THAT'S SPECIFIC AND A SPECIAL, UM, ITEM THAT WE MAKE SURE TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR PROGRAMMING AND OUR OPERATIONS TO, UH, CATER TO, YOU KNOW, THIS DEMOGRAPHIC. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, JUST AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, MOVING COORDINATION AND ASSISTANCE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE DOWNSIZING AND SO THEY NEED HELP MOVING AND COORDINATING, YOU KNOW, THE MOVE. CAUSE I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF TIMES, I MEAN, IT'S A LIFE CHANGING EVENT THAT COULD BE COMING FROM A HOUSE AND DOWNSIZING INTO AN APARTMENT OR RELOCATING FROM LONG WAYS AWAY. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A IT'S IMPORTANT TIME AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO EVERYTHING FROM SETTING UP THE MOVERS, UM, WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GET UNLOADING, THEY DO SPACE PLANNING. SO THEY'LL GO IN AND THEY'LL LOOK AT THEIR FURNITURE THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR HOUSE OR WHEREVER THEY'RE LIVING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS CAN GO HERE OR THERE, SO THEY KIND OF WILL HELP YOU WITH WHATEVER YOU NEED. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO MOVING AND RELOCATING. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF THE LIST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOW YOU AND TELL YOU ABOUT, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. JUSTIN, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, UM, HARDWARE, ET CETERA, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, AND THE ACTUAL UNITS, UH, UNDERSTAND AN ADA COMPLIANCE SPACES. YOU ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY ADA REQUIRED, UM, COMMODES OR THE TALLER ONES. WILL THAT BE SIMILAR TO THE HANDLEBARS? LIKE IT'S A LOT HARDER TO, YOU KNOW, A TALLER TOILET BROUGHT IN, BUT JUST AS SOMEONE THAT HAS ARTHRITIS SINCE AGE 16, LIKE THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CONCERN OF MINE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL BE CHANGING IN YOUR BUILDING MATERIAL. I DON'T THINK THAT WE WILL ADD ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR LEGAL ACCESSIBILITY. AND THE REASON IS AGAINST WITH THE GRAB BAR ISSUE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WE HAVE TO WEIGH. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TEND TO LOOK AT THE CODE ACCESSIBILITY CODE AS WELL. WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THIS EVERYWHERE? THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE. DON'T LIKE THOSE THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A FRONT APPROACH FOR A WHEELCHAIR PERSON TO A SINK, YOU HAVE TO KNOCK OUT THE CABINETS UNDERNEATH AND YOU HAVE A KNEE ON THE PANEL INSTEAD. SO YOU LOSE THAT CABINET SPACE. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE THE POSITION THAT, WELL, THAT'S A VALUE ADD EVERY UNIT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE TWO CABINETS. SO WE HAVE TO WEIGH SORT OF ENHANCING ACCESSIBILITY AGAINST THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS AN ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY. SO NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WILL BE IN VARYING DEGREES OF, OF NEED OF ACCESSIBILITY, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM WANT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO I DON'T THINK TO THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE, COUNCILMAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD ADD THOSE AGAIN, JUST AS A PREFERENCE ISSUE. WE WILL HAVE THE MINUTE REQUIRED ANTSY UNITS PER CODE, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT. I RUN TO THAT PROBLEM EVERY TIME I MOVE. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY AWESOME THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE THAT THEY'RE NECESSARY. AND THEN YOU REMOVE IT IF NECESSARY. I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS THE HYBRID MODEL OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE PRESENTING HERE AS A PRODUCT, UM, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THIS, [00:50:01] UM, DEMOGRAPHIC. YEAH. AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA MATERIAL DESIGN HAS TO GO INTO THAT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AN EASY ONE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND THAT, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN. IT PREPS THE FACILITY FOR FUTURE USE, AND WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO GO EITHER DIRECTION BASED ON RESIDENTS, DEMANDS THE NEEDS, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO, UM, ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE LISTED HERE. SO WHAT WOULD THE STEPH NUMBERS BE ON, UH, YOU DAILY BASIS IN, IS THERE, IS SOME OF THAT 24 HOURS A DAY, OR IS IT BETWEEN EIGHT AND SIX OR IT'S TYPICAL BUSINESS HOURS? SO, I MEAN, JEFF, WOULD IT BE THERE FROM EIGHT TILL FIVE OR EIGHT TIL SIX. OKAY, PERFECT. WE'VE MET OF THE MANAGER. UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE IN THE SYSTEM MANAGER, UH, WHICH MANY CONVENTION DEALS HAVE A MANAGER AND ASSISTANT MANAGER, BUT WE'VE GOT A MANAGER AND TWO LEASING HER THREE LEASING. IN SOME INSTANCES, UH, PEOPLE GOTTA HANDLE, YOU KNOW, LEASING, MOVE IN COORDINATION. UM, AND THEN WE'VE HAD OUR MAINTENANCE PEOPLE OUTSIDE. AND THEN THE CONCIERGE THAT MENTIONED, I GUESS FOR COMPARISON SAKE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE PROBABLY TWO MORE PEOPLE THAN ATTRITION. WE HAVE AN EXTRA MAINTENANCE PERSON AND THE CONCIERGE IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT A TRADITIONAL MARKET RADIO WOULD HAVE. SO I STILL HAVE A CONCERN. UM, THIS IS GREAT. THE, THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, BUT IN TWO YEARS, YOU'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF IT IF YOU SELL IT. AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS WILL CONTINUE, THAT THERE WILL BE A CONCIERGE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THIS WILL HAPPEN. THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALMOST 55. SO IF I WERE TO LIVE IN THIS PLACE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HANDLE BY MY TOILET, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, LOSE MY SINK. SO, UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ONCE YOU SELL IT, UH, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY. SO NO ON THAT, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, FOR, UM, REFERENCE ON OUR GEORGETOWN GEORGETOWN DEAL, WE HAVE SOLD THAT, BUT WE SOLD IT TO CAPITAL SENIOR HOUSING OUT OF WASHINGTON, DC. THEY'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST CONVINCED INSTITUTIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, SENIOR HOUSING OPERATORS AND OWNERS IN THE COUNTRY. SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF GROUPS THAT WE WOULD TRANSPLANT TRANSACT WITH, AND THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THESE TYPES OF DEALS. UM, I'D ALSO SAY THE LEAGUE, THE LEASES, AND I THINK WE TOUCHED ON THIS LAST TIME, THE LEASES THAT WE SIGNED DO HAVE AN ADDENDUM IN THEM TO SAY THAT THIS IS A 55 DEAL OR 50 11 UP AN OLDER DEAL. AND, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO BE IF YOU BOUGHT OR ARE OLDER. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS, SHOULD BE, WE FEEL AS AN ASSURANCE, THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A 55 ACTIVE ADULT DEAL BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR ONCE YOU START SIGNING THOSE LEASES, IN ORDER FOR IT TO CONVERT, YOU WOULD BE IN BREACH OF THAT FAIR HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, STATUTE, IF YOU WERE TO START, YOU KNOW, NOT ABIDE TO THE 80%. AND SO IN ORDER TO, I GUESS, CONVERT IT, YOU'D HAVE TO LET ALL THE LEASES ROLL. DOES HE ROW, AND THEN START LEASING IT UP AND CHANGE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PROGRAMMING AND EVERYTHING. SO I THINK THE, AFTER WE SELL IT, THE, UH, CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING IS VERY, VERY LOW JUST FROM THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY DETRIMENTAL TO LET IT GO TO ZERO. AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE RESIDENTS AREN'T INTERESTED? AND I THINK, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT LAST TIME SIGNING SHORT-TERM LEASES MANY, WANT TO SIGN 18 MONTH, TWO YEAR, THREE YEAR LEASES. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET EVERYONE. AND I THINK GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT LAST TIME TO CONTINUE TO SEND MONTH, MONTH LEASES TO KIND OF GET AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FINDING THE LOOPHOLE. I THINK IT'D BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I JUST, FROM THE RESISTANCE OF THE RESIDENTS SAYING I'LL SIGN MONTH TO MONTH LEASES, I MEAN, THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, ASSURANCES THAT THEY WILL HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. THIS IS THEIR HOME. AND WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEE TWO YEARS, A LOT OF TIMES FOR 18 MONTHS. SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK ONCE YOU START OPERATING THIS THING AS, AS AN ACTIVE ADULT DEAL, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO KIND OF UNWIND IT AND GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. HOW LONG DOES IT SAY ANYTHING, BUT SINCE YOU REFERRED TO ME, I THINK THAT IS I'M TRYING TO BE VERY BLIGHT. I THINK BY SAYING IT'S VERY, IT'S SO HARD TO UNWIND WHEN YOU GUYS SELL THIS INTO A YEAR AND THEN IN TWO OR THREE YEARS, IT SELLS TO SOMEBODY ELSE. IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THAT, AND YOU THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE RESISTANCE, NOT GOING TO MONTH TO MONTH, ALL YOU DO IS JUST YOU DON'T RENEW THE LEASE AND YOU JUST TELL PEOPLE IT'S ONLY A MONTH, A MONTH AND THEN AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO TO. THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, BUT TO GO MONTH TO MONTH. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET ALL 300 UNITS OR 80% OF THEM ALL ON MONTH AND MONTH AFTER TWO YEARS, AND THEY'RE ALL PAYING A RETURN, THEN YOU EITHER WITH A 30 DAY NOTICE, I'M SURE YOU CAN SAY, HEY, YOU'RE DONE WITH THE MONTH A MONTH OR WITH A 30 DAY NOTICE, BECAUSE THIS IS TYPICAL, UH, TRUCK LANGUAGE FOR THE STATE. THEN YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN PRICE AMOUNT. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO IT. AND UNTIL WE JUST HEARD EARLIER, YOU GUYS HEARD IT ABOUT TRUST AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH TRUST OF PEOPLE. AND SO I'M GOING TO POST SOMETHING TO YOU ALL. WOULD YOU TRUST US IF WE JUST SAID, GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT WITH THE VERY ENTITIES YOU WANT AND WE'LL BE OKAY WITH IT. DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO SIGN ANYTHING [00:55:01] FROM THE CITY AND GIVE YOU A PERMIT? BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO THE SAME THING TO TRUST THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO, BUT YET YOU WANT THE CITY TO GIVE YOU THE PERMIT, GIVE YOU THE ASSURANCES SO YOU CAN GO SELL THIS. BUT I PERSONALLY STILL DON'T HAVE ANY ASSURANCES THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO ANY ONE OF HER 55 THAT THEY MOVE IN HERE. THEY'RE GOING TO, THIS IS GOING TO STAY AT 55 AND OVER, BUT, UH, TAILSPINS IN WRITING. I DON'T TRUST ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S IN WRITING. AND EVEN THEN WE HAVE STUFF IN WRITING. WE HAVE A LITIGATION ATTORNEY HERE FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE STUFF IN WRITING AND WE HAVE TO USE HIM REGULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL DON'T FOLLOW THAT. IT'S IN WRITING. SO YOU GUYS ARE NICE, GUYS. I KNOW YOU'RE IN A PICKLE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SELL IT. AND WHEN YOU SELL IT ON THE MARKET, IF YOU SELL IT AS A SENIOR HOUSING, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT CAP RATE WOULD BE MY GUESS THEN WHEN YOU SELL IT AS A MARKET, RIGHT? AND SO YOU SELL IT WITHOUT A RESTRICTION, IT'D BE LIKE SELLING A GAS STATION OR SELLING A PIECE OF LAND RESTRICTED AGAINST GAS. THERE'S LESS BUYERS FOR THAT. BUT IF YOU SELL IT RESTRICTION FREE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S WORTH MORE. IT MAY TRADE 25 OR 50 BASIS POINTS HIGHER. SO I GET IT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UM, I HAVE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, NOT, NOT INVESTORS OR BANKERS OR, UM, DEVELOPERS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE OFFERING. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE DO NEED THE HOUSING. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE A WAY TO KEEP IT. I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AS WELL, AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE THAN THE MAYOR. EITHER WAY. THIS IS LESS DENSITY, EITHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS DENSITY. SO IF WE LET IT GO MAINSTREAM MARKET COMMERCIAL VALUE, WHICH IS IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE 55 PLUS EITHER WAY, THE CITIZENS OF HUDDLE AT LEAST WOULD HAVE THE LESS DENSITY, NICER BUILDINGS, PRIVATE GARAGES, OVERALL, A MUCH NICER DESIGN, A MUCH NICER BUILD. CAN WE 100% GUARANTEE WHEN YOU SELL IT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FLIP IT? NO, WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST THE OPTION FOR THOSE 55 PLUS RESIDENTS. AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY OPTION IS TRAILS AT CARMEL CREEK AND OF THOSE 48 UNITS ONLY 12 ARE FAIR MARKET VALUE. SO THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF HOW TO CITIZENS THAT HAVE ACCESSIBILITY IN THE 55 PLUS, UM, AGE RANGE IS ZERO ESSENTIALLY. UM, SO I KNOW WE CAN'T NECESSARILY 100% PUT IT IN WRITING THAT YOU'RE NEVER EVER GOING TO SELL IT OR THIS PERSON THAT YOU SELL IT TO. I FEEL AT LEAST COMFORTABLE WITH TRYING TO GIVE THE PEOPLE OF HOW TO THE OPTION THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, AT LEAST THIS IS A BETTER BUILDING, BETTER DESIGN, LESS DENSITY. SO AT THE END, ARE WE REALLY LEFT WITH A WORST PRODUCT FOR OUR CITIZENS? AND IN MY OPINION, IT'S NO I AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. I MEAN, I THINK WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF, IF YOU'RE AS DEVIOUS IS AS THE MAYOR SUGGESTED THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE, UM, WE'VE GOT A BETTER PRODUCT. WE'VE GOT, WE GOT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ELEVATORS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ELEVATORS. OTHERWISE THEY ARE COMPLETELY SET UP FOR OVER 55. UM, I THINK THAT YOUR WORST CASE SCENARIO OVER 55 WOULD FLOCK TO IT BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH IS BUILT INTO IT. SO TO ME, IT IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER TO ME. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, LIKE CRYSTAL SAID, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY SAID, IT'S, IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT. IT'S A HIGHER PRODUCT. WE'RE NOT, I DON'T, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE NOT LOSING A SINGLE THING AND APPROVING THIS. WE ARE ONLY GAINING IN MY OPINION. UM, I THINK SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY SAID THAT TWO WEEKS AGO WAS THAT, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO DID IT. UM, BUT I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOSING? WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THESE BENEFITS BUILT IN, YOU'RE BUILDING THEM IN. UM, AND IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IT'S JUST AN, A BENEFIT. SO IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A BETTER PRODUCT AND WE'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO TRUST YOU AND AT SOME LEVEL, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO PUT THIS DOWN IN THE PID TO, YOU KNOW, SO IT IS IN WRITING AT LEAST THAT YOU WILL BE GUARANTEED THAT YOU WILL PUT ALL THESE THINGS IN THAT YOU WON'T, YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE BLOCKING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE FULL PROFILE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE SHOWER THING, WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THESE THINGS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STILL DO THOSE, WHICH WOULD BE A SUB-NET SUBSTANTIAL COST TO YOU IF YOU WEREN'T GONNA MARKET IT OR 55. SO TO ME, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S, I THINK, UH, A GREAT DEAL FOR HOW-TO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, KENZIE AND GORDON ON THIS ONE AS WELL. I I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF YOUR PROJECT SINCE WE HEARD ABOUT IT. AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO LIST OUT WITHIN THE PUD, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING ADDITIONALLY, AND WE'RE SEEING VERY CLEAR EXAMPLES. UM, PRIVATE ENTITIES ARE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH FAIR WITH THEIR PROJECTS. I MEAN, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT A BUSINESS SELLS THEIR BUSINESS TO. UM, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT A HOMEOWNER DOES, UM, WITHIN THEIR HOME. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR PRODUCT, THIS INVENTORY DOWN THE LINE, AFTER YOU CREATE THIS FOR US, WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ORDINANCE. WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE, WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS US TO HAVE CONTROL OVER. AND FROM, FROM THOSE PERSPECTIVES, Y'ALL ARE BRINGING US A BETTER PRODUCT, UM, WITH LOWER DENSITY. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT AS OUR GROWTH RATE IS AT 8%, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. AND HEDO SO THANK YOU FOR A LOWER DENSITY OPTION. UM, AS WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT AND CATCH UP ON THE CRAZY ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS WE NEED TO BE DOING, AND THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION [01:00:01] THAT WE ARE BEHIND ON THAT'S OUR PROBLEM AS A CITY, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. HOWEVER, YOU WERE BRINGING US SOME SOLUTIONS TO LOWER THAT HIGH DENSITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED FROM OUR DEVELOPING PARTNERS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I AM GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE OF THIS FLOOD. SECOND, MICHIGAN BY COUNCIL MEMBER, VILLAREAL SALVO, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY, APPROVING TEN ONE AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON A MOTION. WELL, HE DIDN'T GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO COME AND KIND OF CUT THAT OFF A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK I MAY HAVE MAYBE THE ONE YOU WERE REFERRING TO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHO MADE THOSE STATEMENTS. THAT SOUNDS SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID. SO I AM IN AGREEMENT ON THOSE, THOSE ASPECTS. I DO SEE THE RISK THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PULLED BACK AND, AND WE COULD LOSE THAT HOUSING IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT WOULD BE NOT A GREAT THING OVERALL FOR THE CITY, BUT I STILL THINK THE APARTMENTS ARE, ARE WORTH THAT RISK. AT THIS POINT. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO COMPLETELY RESOLVE OUR NEED FOR SENIOR HOUSING FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF KEEP THIS IN MIND AND TRY TO FIND US SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WE CAN LOCK IN GUARANTEED SENIOR HOUSING IN THE FUTURE ON SOME PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME THAT WE KNOW IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE. WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE THERE. IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO GET SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE THAT KIND OF REALLY GUARANTEES THAT NOTHING CAN TAKE THAT AWAY ON ANOTHER PROJECT, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW. JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, UM, FOR DOTTY, IF THERE IS THERE, W DO YOU, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THINGS THAT MIGHT HELP US JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE UNCERTAINTY THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO THE SEIZURE INDIVIDUALS AND, AND, AND MOVING FORWARD? I MEAN, I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GOES FROM ONE OWNER TO ANOTHER OWNER, YOU SORT OF, YOU KIND OF START OVER, BUT WOULD THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ADDED? WELL, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEIR LEASES ARE GOING TO HAVE THE 80 20, UH, FAIR HOUSING REQUIREMENT. AND YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON YOUR, UM, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT THE LEASES MUST CONTAIN THAT PROVISION. SO THAT WOULD RUN WITH THE ORDINANCE. IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING? SO THEN YOU COULD AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REFLECT WHAT THEIR PRACTICES OKAY. WOULD THAT NEED TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR MOTION? CORRECT. OKAY. I DO LIKE SOME KIND OF IDEA LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY, CAUSE IT'S ONLY 14 DIFFERENT. SO WHETHER YOU GIVE US 300 OR 286, WHETHER THE NUMBER IS, UM, MORE INTO CERTAINTY AND THEN I AM INTO UNCERTAINTY. AND SO I'D ALMOST WONDER IF INSTEAD OF AN 80 20 PROVISION, IT COULD BE LIKE A 95, 5 PROVISION. I MEAN, IF IT'S GOING TO BE OVER 55, LET'S MAKE IT OVER 55, YOU WANT TO TIE IT TO A STANDARD THAT'S RECOGNIZED. AND THAT 80 20 IS THE FAIR HOUSING ACT STANDARDS RECOGNIZE THAT'S RECOGNIZED ANY CONCERNS WITH DOING THAT, MAKING THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. I, I, I THINK THAT THAT EFFECTIVELY, I MEAN, I'D NEED TO CONFIRM IT. I, I THINK THAT EFFECT THAT EFFECTIVELY ACTS AS A DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO AVOID HERE, BUT RESTRICTION, IT'S JUST AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE TO. AGAIN, DURING OUR OWNERSHIP, WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS AS AN ACTIVE ADULT PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE AS AN EQUITABLE PROJECT THAT DOESN'T SCARE US. WELL, THAT'S A COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE NO MATTER WHAT, SO THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. OKAY. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. BECAUSE AS SOON AS HE STARTED PILING, THAT WAS LIKE, HERE WE GO AGAIN, A COMMITMENT MADE AND NOT ABLE TO PUT IT IN WRITING. SO AT LEAST WE'VE GOT SOMETHING. SO THAT GUARANTEES US FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU ALL OWN IT. WELL, IT'LL BE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WHOEVER OWNS THE STRUCTURE HAS TO OFFER A LEASE WITH THAT PROVISION IN THERE. AND IT WOULD BE ALL IN OUR OWNERSHIP. I WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT AN ATTORNEY AS WELL AS TO LIKE A FAIR HOUSING. IF WE'RE RUNNING A FOUL OF ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM A PERSPECTIVE, THAT'D BE THE ONLY, ONLY CAVEAT. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS, AND I'M SORRY TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO POSTPONE THIS ONCE AGAIN, GIVE US A COPY OF YOUR LEASE. WE'LL PUT IN THE ORDINANCE EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS IN THE LEASE. AND SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING IS THE LEASE THAT YOU'RE OFFERING. IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM TO REFERENCE IT IN THE ORDINANCE. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT ZERO PROBLEM WITH US HAVING AN OBLIGATION OPERATORS, DECK BUILT TO PUT THAT LEASE AMENDMENT IN THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT AGAIN, FROM A CONTROL ANOTHER OWNER IN 30 YEARS. AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR PUDDLE AGAIN IN 30 YEARS, I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT, BUT WE HAVE ZERO ISSUE FOR US HAVING AT LEAST AMENDMENT FOR OUR ENTIRE TIME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S SPENT TO PUT IN WRITING ZERO ISSUE WITH THAT, FOR US TO MAINTAIN [01:05:01] THAT AS THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, IT CAN BE AMENDED. SO IT'S AT SUCH TIME IN THE FUTURE, THE UNDER WANTS TO APPROACH THE CITY WITH THE APPLICATION TO AMEND IT, TO REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION. HE CAN DO THAT. AND CIRCUMSTANCES MAY CHANGE WITHIN THE CITY WHERE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SENIOR HOUSING THERE. THEY DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, WHICH ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS SET, IT'S SET IN STONE. IT WILL BE IN THE ORDINANCE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT MAY BE AMENDED. YEAH, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT, I WOULDN'T NEED TO TALK TO OUR LENDER. THAT WOULD BE A CHANGE IN THE USE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THEIR COLLATERAL. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I COULD AGREE TO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LENDER WHO HAS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO TABLE THAT I WOULD NEED TO GET OUR LENDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO AS WE CHANGE THEIR COLLATERAL. THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE AGAIN, CONSIDERATION. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. WELL, YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THEIR COLLATERAL CAUSE YOU'RE INTENDING TO OFFER THESE, YOUR COLLATERAL WITH THESE LEASES, YOU'VE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOUR LENDER. 100%. WE ARE THAT THE ISSUE IS AGAIN FROM AN FTAC INSURED BANK, THEY'RE LENDING ON A PROJECT THAT HAS CERTAIN ZONING AND IF THE WORLD ENDS AND THEY HAD TO STEP IN AND TAKE OVER, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOMETHING HAPPENS, IT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF WHAT THE EXISTING COLLATERAL ALLOWS AND WHAT IT WOULD THEN ALLOW. AND AGAIN, IT'S A FULL RECOURSE LOAN. SO I, I JUST, I, I NEED TO JUST CHECK WITH THEM BEFORE WE AGREE TO SOMETHING THAT I'VE GOT LEGITIMATE, PERSONAL LIABILITY TO NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE SEEING A COPY OF THAT LEASE. IT'S A STANDARD FEDERAL AGENDA. OKAY. AND TO THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THAT'S ASSUMING SOMEONE DOESN'T CALL THE VOTE AND WE JUST VOTE WITH THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE THAT. I FORGOT THE, UH, WE HAD THAT DEVELOPER OVER BY YOU THAT WAS SENT A BUNCH OF STUFF AND WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND ANNEX ATLANTA AND ZONED IT. AND, UH, WE CUT THROUGH THAT, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. I'VE HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE NO ISSUE WITH MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT, BUT THEN I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT TO WAIT TO TALK TO THE LENDERS. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST NEED TO TALK TO OUR LENDER TO CONFIRM THAT THEY HAVE NEW ISSUE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY AND I'M SUBJECT TO THAT. SO I JUST NEED TO GET THEIR SIGN OFF ON A CHANGE LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN, I HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO OFFER UP WITHOUT THEIR CONSIDERATION. AND HE HAD TO CHECK THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST PUTTING YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT IN THE ORDINANCE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT. YES. I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WRITING FROM YET WRITING FROM THEM THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE THEIR SIGN OFF. GOTCHA. ARE YOU SAYING RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY? WE'RE NOT TALKING A DEED RESTRICTION. WE'RE JUST TALKING. THIS IS NOT A DEED RESTRICT. CORRECT? BUT THAT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT, THAT LEASE ENDED UP BEING A REQUIREMENT. IT REQUIRES THAT THE PROJECT BE AT LEAST 80% TO 55 AND UP, WHICH IS IN EFFECT A DEED RESTRICTION. YOU TOLD US THAT YOU, I MEAN, WE ARE. YEAH, BUT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO OWN THIS MAYBE BY ONE YEAR AFTER YOU BUILD IT. AND SO LIKE, MY CONCERN HAS NEVER BEEN YOU ALL, MY CONCERN HAS BEEN THE PEOPLE YOU SELL IT TO. AND THE MARKET'S HOT NOW FOR OVER 55, BUT THAT MAY CHANGE IN FIVE YEARS. AND I'D SAY THIS, IF, IF YOUR LENDER DOESN'T SAY THAT, DOES IT TAKE AND DO THAT FOR ME? JUST COME BACK AND SAY, YOU GONNA DO A MULTI-FAMILY WITH ELEVATORS, WITH EXTRA PATHWAYS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF. AND THEN I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING SNOWED. AND THEN YOU'RE TO SEE AT LEAST ONE GUY, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS PROBABLY BEEN SUPPORTING US. YOU'LL SEE ME SUPPORT IT. CAUSE THEN I CAN GO TO PEOPLE AND GO, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A MULTI-FAMILY WITH SOME OVER 55 AMENITIES THAT YOU CAN GO INTO INSTEAD OF THE REVERSE. I JUST LIKE YOU'RE SELLING ME SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NOT TRUE WHEN IT'S ALL, IT'S MEETS SOME MARKETING THINGS TO JUST TELL US IT'S A MULTIFAMILY DEAL. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THINGS IN THERE FOR, UM, ADA, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND A BLOCK. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IN HERE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AS BEING EXTRA. I JUST SEE IT AS BEING, IT'S JUST WORDS ON A PAPER. SO IF YOU COME IN, JUST SAY, IT'S MULTIFAMILY, WE HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE A LIFT, A PICKLEBALL COURT, AND WE'RE GOING TO TARGET THE OVER 55 MARKET. BUT POTENTIALLY 20 YEAR OLDS MAY LIVE IN. CAUSE THEY LIKE PICKLEBALL TOO. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE, UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANYTHING IN WRITING. I FEEL LIKE THEN THE ONLY THING THAT GETS ME IS CONSTANT OVER 55, OVER 55, BUT YET NOT WANTING TO PUT ANYTHING IN WRITING IS WHAT REALLY MAKES ME ME PERSONALLY ABOUT CUDDLE. AND I'M PROBABLY THE MOST DISTRUSTFUL PERSON UP HERE. WE TALKED ALL THE TIME. SHE EXPLAINED THAT YOUR FEDERAL MANDATE IS 80 20 FOR WHAT THIS IS. SO REGARDLESS OF, AND THEN WE HAD THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION LAST TIME THAT WHEN Y'ALL SELL IT TO ANOTHER OWNER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE ALL. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAYOR SAID WITH, YOU KNOW, MOVE EVERYBODY DOWN TO MONTH TO MONTH AND SLOWLY GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THERE AND THEN REDO THE WHOLE, UM, FINANCING AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY, ET CETERA. BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE ADDITIONALLY THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. I THINK THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS SUPERSEDED BY FEDERAL MANDATE. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? DOTTY WITH 80 20, THE ORDINANCE IS NOT SUPERSEDED BY THE FEDERAL MANDATE. THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE THE, [01:10:01] THE, UM, FAIR HOUSING, 80 20 PROVISION IN IT. IT'S, IT'S BEEN TOUTED AS THE LAND USE PROPOSED AS AN ACTIVE ADULT, 55 PLUS A MULTIFAMILY USE, WHICH LEADS PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE 80 20. AND THEY'RE EVEN SAYING IN THEIR LEASES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ADDENDUM WITH THE 80 20. SO IF YOU WANT YOUR ORDINANCE TO REFLECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE LEASE, THAT YOU COULD ADD THAT TO IT. IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE PROPOSAL AS IS, YOU CAN, THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THAT YOU'VE MADE. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT BEFORE YOU PROCEEDED FURTHER, BUT THIS IS A PUTT. SO THEY CAN ALSO COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH THE LEASE AMENDMENT AND BY THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. RIGHT? THAT WHAT I WOULD ENVISION IS JUST A PROVISION SAYING LISA'S SHALL BE OFFERED WITH A DENIM AND JUST USE THE WORDING ON THE AGENDA SO THAT IT WOULD JUST BE A SENTENCE IN THERE. MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH THE LANGUAGE YOU JUST SAID. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT PALATABLE, THEY CAN COME BACK AND REQUEST THE CHANGE. IF THAT CHANGES ANOTHER TO BEGIN WITH, THERE'S NO INCENTIVE TO COME BACK AND REQUEST THE CHANGE TO ADD IT. AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO COME BACK AND REQUEST TO CHANGE, TO EDIT, IT WON'T HAPPEN. SO WE PUT IT IN AND IF IT CAN'T BE, AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY, IT REALLY CAN'T BE IN, THEN TELL US WHY. AND THEN WE CAN RECONSIDER, RIGHT? AND THE REASON I'M PUTTING THIS I'M MAKING THIS MOTION IS I DO. I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL, SALVO, THAT GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OF OUR PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, EXCEPT FOR WHEN PRIVATE ENTERPRISE COMES AND ASK OUR VARIANCES TO RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT. THAT'S WHERE SUP'S, THAT'S WHERE PUD IS. AND ALL THOSE, IF YOU GUYS REZONED BY RIGHT, AND FOLLOWED EVERY ORDINANCE, YOU WOULDN'T BE STANDING IN FRONT OF US AND GETTING HASSLED BY OVER 55 LANGUAGE. BUT THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT HAS SET UP THE WAY WE RUN EVERYTHING, THAT'S HOW WE PROTECT IT ALL. AND SO WHILE I DO AGREE, PRIVATE BUSINESS HAS GROWN, RIGHT, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE THEIR OWN RIGHT TO DO IT WITHOUT DRINKERS OF OUR RULES AND WITHOUT SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH YOU ALL DO ASK FOR A FEW. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THIS. AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND TELL US WHY IT DOESN'T WORK. IT NEEDED DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT ADDING IN. SO IT WOULD SAY THE, UH, THE PROVISION WOULD SAY, THE LEAST SHALL CONTAIN THE 80, 20 FAIR HOUSING ADDENDUM, WHICH IS WHAT IT WILL CONTAIN THE 80, 20 FAIR HOUSING, LISA DENIM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT? SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO AMEND. SO IF THE MAKER OF THE MAIN MOTION, MANDY AND CRYSTAL WANT TO JUST ACCEPT, YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN VOTE ON THE SAME THING. YOU JUST WANT TO ACCEPT, OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT? AND THEN THAT FIRST I'M FINE WITH ACCEPTING IT. AND THEN I'M COMING BACK. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE AND THAT'S THE PROCESS YOU'D DO. SO IF IT PASSES TONIGHT WITH A VOTE, YOU GO TO YOUR LENDERS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY'S REQUIRING. AND IF THEY MET, YOU GOT THE DEAL, YOU GOT THE DEAL AND YOU HAVE HEARTBURN AND COME BACK. THAT'S THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF IT PASSES TONIGHT? OKAY. YOU PROBABLY GOT MY VOTE. CAUSE I SEE THREE GUYS SWEATING. SO THAT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE FIGURED OUT A SOLUTION HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS NOW TO APPROVE 10.1 IS PRESENTED WITH AN ADDITION OF BULLIES SHALL CONTAIN AN 80, 20 FAIR HOUSING LEASE ADDENDUM THAT BOTH THE MOTION MAKER AND THE SECOND AGREE TO CORRECT? YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE REAL SALVO MAYOR PRO TEM BORDEN COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. HI, HOW'S THE MEMBER HOLLAND. THAT WAS A MEMBER SUTTON I COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY MAYOR SNYDER SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH THE LENDER. THANK YOU. SURE. IT'D BE FINE. I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. LAST, THE LAST MEETING AND TONIGHT AND WISH WE COULD HAVE MAYBE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT A LITTLE SOONER FOR Y'ALL. AND TO ME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMITTED, ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY. SO, AND WE TOOK THE, YOU KNOW, ADVICE AND WORDS VERY SERIOUSLY. AND SHOULD WE DO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT? HOW I THINK WE WILL, WE WILL BE AWARE OF WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. I THINK WE SHOWED OUR COMMITMENT TO BE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE COUNCIL AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S OPERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, THAT BRINGS STUDY 11 [12.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments] ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS, [01:15:01] AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. UH, SO MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO JUST DO THEM ALL AS ONE VOTE OR SEPARATED THEM BY BOARD OR LET'S TRY ONE VOTE. AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO A LOT OF NAMES, BUT JUST PULL THEM OUT. OKAY. SO, UM, FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS TASK FORCE, UM, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE REAPPOINTED FOR THAT ONE. THERE ARE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT I REACHED OUT TO WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE REAPPOINTED. ONE'S MOVED OUT OF HOW-TO AND UH, ONE CAN'T MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO THE, UH, UH, TO THIS TASK FORCE. SO WE'D LIKE TO REAPPOINT FIVE OF THE SEVEN, WHICH WOULD CREATE TWO OPENINGS. UM, THOSE NAMES ARE ANDREW IN GRAZIA, DINA, WILCOTT JANE WRINKLE, SIDNEY JOHNSON AND JUSTIN SHEPHERD. CAUSE I ADJUSTING SYDNEY, SYDNEY JOHNSON, AND I GOT ANDREW AND GARCIA WHO IS NEXT UP THAT ALL RIGHT, JANE WRINKLE. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD, UM, THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, NOMINATE SUZANNE CAULFIELD AND BRUCE ANDERSON TO FILL THOSE TWO VACANCIES, BRUCE ANDERSON, RIGHT? FOR THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE. WE'D LIKE TO NOMINATE PETE PALUMBO, NO RELATION. I DON'T THINK, IS IT A PA, L OR P O L L P. UM, AND THAT WAS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. AND THEN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, UM, THERE WAS A VACANCY CREATED, UM, WHEN A MEMBER MOVED OUT OF THE CITY. AND SO WE'D LIKE TO NOMINATE PARIS OF ART TO GIVE SOME, A PARKS BOARD REPRESENTATION THERE. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION, UH, MOSTLY BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON SECOND BY APRIL PRO THORTON, NOMINATING ANGIO GRAZIA JANE WINCO, JUSTIN SHEPPARD, CINDY JOHNSON AND DANA WILCOTT TO THE COMMUNICATIONS BOARD, SUSAN CAULFIELD, BRUCE ANDERSON TO LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD PEOPLE AND BOW TO THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS BOARD AND PERRY SAVARA TO THE COMP 2040, UH, COMMITTEE. IS THAT CANADIANS? IS THAT RIGHT NAME? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE NAMES DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. THAT'S A MEMBER KENZIE. I REMEMBER HOLLAND MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCIL MEMBER VILLA REAL SALVO. HI. NOW SOME MEMBERS SAID HI, SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 [12.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-025 authorizing the City Manager to enter into an agreement for police overtime assignment services by Off Duty Management (Police Chief Jim Stuart)] TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER ARTIST'S 2022 DASH 0 2 5 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR POLICE OVERTIME ASSIGNMENT SERVICES BY OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT. GOOD EVENING, CHIEF GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY INTRODUCE JEFF MARTIN REAL QUICK. HERE HE IS WITH OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT. IT'S A 32 YEAR LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONAL. AND FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN WITH OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT. WE MET EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, TO, TO DISCUSS THIS PROGRAM BY OFF-DUTY. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WE ARE REQUIRED FROM TIME TO OR REQUEST IT FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, TO WORK ASSIGNMENTS THAT ARE NOT FOR THE CITY OF HODO. SO IT MIGHT BE TXDOT OR A FUNERAL ESCORT, OR MAYBE WORKING FOR A HOTEL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND MY CONCERN FOR THE OFFICERS IS WHEN THEY'RE ON THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY'RE NOT WORKING DIRECTLY FOR THE CITY OF A HUDDLE, THEY MAY NOT BE COVERED IF THEY ARE KILLED OR INJURED, UH, AN INCIDENT AND SORT OF THE OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, UH, THEY PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR THE OFFICER FOR THAT. IT IS NO COST TO THE CITY FOR THIS. THEY, THE BILLING FOR THESE OUTSIDE VENDORS HAS DONE THEIR OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT. THEY CHARGE A SMALL FEE TO THE VENDOR OFF DUTY MANAGEMENT MIXERS THAT THE OFFICER GETS PAID BY THE NEXT WEEK. AND THAT IF THERE'S A USE FOR THE CAR THAT IT'S PAID BACK TO THE CITY AND TAKING CARE OF THAT WAY AS A CLIENT, WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO USE OUR SOFTWARE TO MANAGE CITY OVERTIME AS WELL. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD, UH, BUT FOR THE OFFICERS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF IS ONE OF THE PRIME THINGS I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT IS THEIR SAFETY AND TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COVERED IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPENS TO THEM WHILE THEY'RE OUT WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FOR THE CITY OF HOW-TO AND THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY ON DUTY. WE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SERVICE. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM TALKING WITH CITY MANAGER TURNER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT AS, UM, A RESOURCE FROM YOUR TIME WITH IN ROUND ROCK, SERVING WITH THEM IS THAT'S WHERE YOUR EXPOSURE IS. IS THAT, UH, YEAH, MY RESOURCE, UH, RIGHT BACK HERE, AS YOU MAY RECOGNIZE HER AS THE CHIEF ROBLEDO ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR A LONG TIME WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A CHIEF OF POLICE WITH PFLUGERVILLE AND A MENTOR, UH, FOR MY, FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND SOMEBODY WHOSE ADVICE AND OPINION, I RESPECT GREATLY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING A RESOURCE LIKE THIS TO OUR OFFICERS. UM, I THINK AS WE'RE GROWING, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER AS WE LEARN FROM OUR NEIGHBORS. SO I'M READING OVER THE POLICY [01:20:01] AND HOW IT WILL BE WORKING, KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT REPLACING A JOB FUNCTION OF SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GREAT, BUT IT'S ENHANCING AND IT'LL ALLOW FOR THEM TO DO MORE IN THEIR CAPACITY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TAKE CARE OF OUR GUYS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THESE OFF DUTY JOB ASSIGNMENTS. SO I THINK THIS IS GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THIS SERVICE. I HAD A QUESTION. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY FOR THIS. THAT IS CORRECT. SO THE, THE COST WOULD BE KIND OF ROLLED UP IN WHATEVER CONTRACTS THEY HELPED THE OFFICERS ARRANGE FOR OFF DUTY. THAT IS HOW IT'S PAID FOR. SO I SUCK AT THE APPRECIATION FOR, UH, PUTTING THIS IN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A PERFECT TIMING IN A WAY, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A BENEFIT FOR SERGEANT KELLY ON MONDAY AND HE WAS ACTUALLY KILLED WHILE OFF DUTY HELPING OUT ON ACCIDENT. AND SO YOU THINK A LOT OF TIMES OFFICERS DIE IN THE LINE OF DUTY WEARING THE UNIFORM, BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T BECAUSE WHEN I SEE AN ACCIDENT OR TRAVEL, THEY TEND TO REACT AND GO IN. AND SO IF THEY'RE OFF DUTY AND THEY'RE NOT PRODUCTIVE, AND THIS IS A WAY TO PROTECT THEM, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU. YEAH. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ACTION FROM ANYBODY AND THEY HAVE TO APPROVE 11 TWO IS PRESENTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL SLO A SECOND. SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, PROVEN 11 TWO IS PRESENTED ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, ERIE NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAY I PRETEND THORNTON COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. HELSON NUMBER SEVEN. I HELSEL MEMBER KINSEY MAYOR SNYDER. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLA ROSSATO ELSA MEMBER HOLLAND. I WHAT'S YOUR PASS THE SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. THANKS SIR. RIGHT NEXT THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11, THREE [12.3. Update on Downtown projects (Bob Farley, Kristi Robich)] UPDATE ON DOWNTOWN PROJECTS GOING ON BOB AND CHRISTIE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY. UM, SO THIS ITEM IS, UM, A VERY SPECIFIC REQUESTS FOR SOME DOWNTIME NOTIFICATION EFFORTS THAT CAME ABOUT AT OUR RE-ESTABLISHED DOWNTOWN ROUND TABLES, EXCUSE ME, BUSINESS ROUND TABLES. UM, WE KICKED OFF DECEMBER AND WE WILL HOST ANOTHER ONE AS WAS ANNOUNCED, UM, NEXT THURSDAY. SO THESE REQUESTS ARE COMING DIRECTLY FROM INPUT FROM THE BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS DOWNTOWN. UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY PRESENTED ON MONDAY TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FOR SOME, UM, BEAUTIFICATION REQUESTS AS WELL. SO, UH, TONIGHT THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS WE ARE ASKING FOR, UM, ARE FOR DOWNTOWN POLE BANNERS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE COLORFUL BANNERS THAT ARE ALONG THE BOLDEN EASTERN FARLEY STREETS. AND THEN, UM, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SIX TRASH CANS OR TRASH RECEPTACLES, UM, AS I BEGIN TO NEED TO GROW, THAT'S SOMETHING KIND OF SMALLER, BUT, UM, JUST AS FAR AS BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS ARE CONCERNED, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN COVER A GREAT DEAL. SO NO MOLLY COMMENT FROM THE EDC NAREN COUNCIL IS THAT WE DID MEET ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY NIGHT. UM, IT'S AN ACTION ITEM AND AREA THAT WE WANT TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME AND EFFORT ON. WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY ACTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THESE UNTIL WE GOT A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL WANTED TO DO AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SORT OF BIG PICTURE OF ALL OF THIS LOOK LIKE FROM Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT EDC IS ACUTELY AWARE OF AND WANTS TO CONTINUE TO TAKE, TAKE SOME POSITION ON GOING FORWARD. ONCE WE GET PAST THIS SORT OF INITIAL DISCUSSIONS, WHAT WERE THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH EDC ON THESE ITEMS? ONLY THAT WE DO THINGS THAT ARE SCALABLE, UM, AS AN EASY BOARD AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST ADDRESS ONE ISSUE AND THEN GO AWAY FROM IT AND IGNORE OTHER ASPECTS. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE KIND OF BUNDLE ALL OF THESE INITIATIVES INTO A STRATEGY THAT HAS A BIGGER IMPACT ON OUR COMPETITIVENESS AS A COMMUNITY. SO, UM, WAS THERE ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE EDC ON THE CITY OR THAT YOU SEE PARTNERING ON ANY OF THESE BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS OR ENHANCEMENTS WHERE THE DOWNTOWN? NO. I MEAN, JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS, AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACHIEVE TOGETHER. OKAY. SO CERTAINLY NOT AN EDC. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS WE TEND TO MAKE CHANGES ALMOST LIKE A, A REACTIONARY TO WHERE SOMEONE ASKS FOR SOMETHING AND WE'RE DOING IT, BUT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING TO HELP THE BUSINESSES? AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS THE ROI ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP THE BUSINESSES IS A TRASHCAN ANSWER. IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY'S AGAINST PUTTING TRASH CANS DOWN THERE, BUT WE WANTED A BIGGER DISCUSSION ON WHAT CAN WE ACTUALLY DO AS EITHER AN EDC OR A CITY THAT ACTUALLY HELPS THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE TEND TO DO THINGS LIKE POTENTIALLY, UH, PUT SOME POLE BANNERS UP, BISECTS, TRASH CANS, AND THEN GO OKAY WITH JOEL. NOW, NOW WE'RE BACK ON TO SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO THE EDC IS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DRAMATICALLY BIGGER. [01:25:01] UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, GOING INTO 11, FOUR, TALKED ABOUT SOME OPTIONS THERE TO WHERE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE REALLY, UM, REALLY DO SOMETHING BIG FOR THE CITY AND THE BUSINESSES? SO NOW ALL OF THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE, SO WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON, IT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UM, WAS, UM, THE TREE LIGHTS THAT WERE REMOVED. I KNOW THAT WAS REQUESTED. UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR A STATUS ON THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, SPECIFIC PARKING SPECIFICALLY FOR HIPAA PHARMACY, AS FAR AS DURING THEIR BUSINESS HOURS, WHEN THERE'S THINGS GOING ON LIKE THAT, OR MAYBE GETTING AHEAD OF IT, BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DID GET QUOTES ON PUTTING THE LIGHTS BACK UP AND WHAT THAT WOULD COST TO MAINTAIN IT. SO DO WE, UH, YES. AND ACTUALLY THAT SPECIFIC ITEM IS WHAT WE HAD REQUESTED FROM THE EDC ON MONDAY WAS SPECIFIC, UM, LIGHTING. SO THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE QUOTES, UM, FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 32 TREES THAT WOULD STAY UP YEAR ROUND VERSUS JUST DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND THEN AS WELL AS THE, OVER THE STREET LIGHTING ON EAST STREET. SO, UM, ALL THAT INFORMATION IS IN YOUR PACKET AND THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED FROM THE EDC ON MONDAY. UM, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO, UM, HIPPO PHARMACY AND THE OWNER, I DID SPEAK WITH HIM TODAY ACTUALLY. UM, AND JUST LET HIM KNOW ABOUT THE UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WAS A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN AND THE POTENTIAL TO REALLY, UM, GIVE HIS INPUT AT THE DOWNTOWN OR THE ROUND TABLE NEXT WEEK. AND THEN IN THE FOCUS GROUP THAT WILL BE HELD ON MARCH THE 30TH. UM, SO I THINK JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, IN HIS BENEFIT TO KIND OF GIVE HIS INPUT ON THE PARKING FOR THE OVERALL PLAN, RIGHT. AND, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE EXCITING TO SEE, UM, THE PLAN COME OUT AND WE CAN REALLY FORM A VISION AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. AND I HAVE SOME GREAT IDEAS COMING FORWARD ON THE NEXT ACTION ITEM ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO TO CREATE MORE OF A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND FUTURE BUSINESS OWNERS. SO, UM, I LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME MOVEMENT. SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING TONIGHT AT US, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING OR, I MEAN, UM, WE WERE ASKING, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR BANNERS AND, UM, AND THE TRASH CANS, UM, AND THAT TOTAL AMOUNT WAS ON YOUR AGENDA. ITEM REPORT IS $9,800. SO SIX, UH, TRASH CANS ARE AT $800 PER RECEPTACLE, UM, WHICH WAS 4,800. AND THEN FOR THE LIGHT BANNERS, IT'S, UM, 5,000, WHICH INCLUDES 44 BANNERS. AND THAT'S TWO ROTATIONS BASICALLY ARE TWO SEASONS OF BANNERS. AND WHAT DID THE BANNER SAY? SO THEN WHAT DO THE BANNER SAY? I MEAN, SO THAT HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED. ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN COMP THE DESIGN AND THEY WOULD BE EVERGREEN. SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING TO GET HAVE, UM, THEY WOULDN'T BE LIKE HOLIDAY SPECIFIC. IT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE SIMILAR TO MAYBE LIKE DOWNTOWN ROUND ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE COULD USE YEAR ROUND. OKAY. THE DISCUSSION ON MONDAY NIGHT WITH THE EDC REGARDING THE TREE LIGHTING, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT WAS HELD IN EXECUTIVE AND NOT IN PUBLIC? UM, I DON'T RECALL IT BEING ANYTHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN PUBLIC SESSION. SO I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT AS A, AS AN EXECUTIVE ITEM, I THINK THAT'S HOW THE CHAIRMAN SAW IT. SO IT IS, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, FOR SOMEONE TO TALK IN THE VEIN OF TRANSPARENCY, UH, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH TREE LIGHTING AND, UM, WELL, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ANYTHING DIRECTLY SPECIFIC TO THE TREE LIGHTING, JUST CURIOUS, CAUSE USUALLY EXECUTIVES WITH OUR LEGAL TEAMS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHY IT WAS AN EXECUTIVE TO BEGIN WITH. SO THE MANAGER, WELL, IF I MAY, I, I WAS, I WAS THERE, I COULD DISCUSS WHAT WAS SAID IF THAT'S OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, WITH REGARDS TO THE CONTENT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER THE 5 0 5 1 5 2 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS THE PROVISION BY WHICH THE, UM, THE D A DETERMINATION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THESE PARTICULAR PURCHASES FALL WITHIN A PERMISSIBLE USE OF FUNDS FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THAT REQUIRES THE APPLICATION OF LAW, WHICH REQUIRES ME TO SPEAK WITH MY CLIENT IN PRIVATE TO MAINTAIN THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. AND SO IF, IF THE, IF THE, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF, IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON, UM, UH, STREET SIGNS, BUT YOU CAN'T SHOW THAT THAT STREET SIGN IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO EITHER PROVIDE DATES FOR PARKS AND THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES OF WHICH WE HAVE PARK POWERS UNDER 1 52 OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS UNDER CHAPTER ONE TO THREE, THEN THAT, THAT, UM, THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS IS IMPERMISSIBLE UNDER STATE LAW. AND SO EVERY TIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT USE OF FUNDS, WE HAVE TO FIND A BOX THAT ALLOWS US TO SPEND IT IN THAT WAY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IS WORKING WITH THE DEFINED UP BOX SO THAT WE CAN DO IT. WE WERE TRYING TO FIND, I MEAN, IS IT FAIR TO SAY WE WERE TRYING TO FIND FOR LACK OF A BETTER PERMANENT ROI FOR HAVING THE LIGHTS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IF WE PAID $35,000 A YEAR FOR LIGHTS, CAN WE SOMEHOW SHOW [01:30:01] SALES GOING UP SOMEWHERE, UH, CROWDS GATHERING SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC YES. TO DETERMINE. YEAH. SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IS IT REASONABLE FOR THE BOARD TO FIND THAT THIS EXPENDITURE IS GOING TO PROVIDE GROWTH TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT IN, IN YOUR CITY? AND SO IF, IF THEY MEET THAT TEST WHERE I TH KNOW I CAN DEFEND THAT, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT. UM, IS THERE, UH, SO THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY, W THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE AND NOT, UM, AN ACTION SINCE MS. ROBERTS HAS ASKED US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ACTION ITEM ON THIS TONIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS AN UPDATE. UM, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN INPUT, WE CAN HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, APPROVING THINGS, BUT IS THIS GOING TO BE ED C FUNDS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED FOR THIS GEORGE? OR IS IT GOING TO BE CITY FUNDS? WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY $9,800. AND SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL ACTION TO APPROVE. AND UNDER YOUR POLICIES UNDER $50,000 CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER. AND SO THIS IS, WE HAVE POLICIES OR NOT, BUT OKAY, WELL, OUR SENIOR EDITOR IS WAVING THING. DOESN'T WORK, OH, SORRY. IT'S NOT POSTED FOR THIS SO WE COULD BRING IT BACK ON CONSENT. SO IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR ACTION, DEPENDING ON THE STATUS OF YOUR POSSIBLE. NO, MA'AM, I'M NOT GOING TO SOMEONE THAT WAS ONE OF MY PEERS. MAYBE I'LL TRY TO INTERRUPT THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT SO WELL, BUT I WILL NOT INTERRUPT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SORRY. NO, I ENJOY THIS ACTUALLY, UM, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE, UH, DOWNTOWN AND ACTUALLY TWO PROCESSES, ONE OF THE ROUND TABLES, AND THEN TO THE COMP PLAN COMPONENT, AND TRYING TO LET THAT PLAY OUT, BUT TRYING TO INSERT SOME PIECES INTO THAT, I THINK IT'S CAUSED SOME CHALLENGES ON HOW WE DO IT. UM, UH, AND THEN HAVING THE VARIOUS GROUPS, HAVING THEIR DISCUSSIONS HAD JUST CAUSED SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING TO THE POINT OF, UH, AN ENTITY SAYING, YES, WE'LL FUND IT OR NO, WE WON'T FUND IT. AND SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF JUST PLAYING OUT IN THE PUBLIC HERE. UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, 9, 8 90 $800 CAN BE DONE A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP IN THERE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE, I THINK THERE'S KIND OF A PLAN IN PLACE, BUT YET THERE'S NOT MY BIG THING TO SHARE WITH YOU OR TO SUGGEST TO YOU OR REINFORCE WITH YOU THAT THERE IS A VISION THAT GETS ESTABLISHED. IF THERE'S SOME LOW-HANGING FRUIT TO GRAB IN THE MEANTIME, THAT'S FINE. BUT THE MAJOR THING IS TO GET A VISION BECAUSE THE VISION NOT ONLY WILL HELP YOU DETERMINE HOW YOU PARTICIPATE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, WOULD HELP BE PERSONS WHO ALREADY INVESTED IN DOWNTOWN DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DOWN THERE YET, UH, DETERMINE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. LET YOU HAVE A VISION THAT'S 10 TO 20 YEARS. THAT'S THE MOST CRITICAL PIECE, THE $9,800 FOR THE, UH, BANNERS AND THE TRASH CANS. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC AND EXPENDITURE, BUT IT'S NOT TREMENDOUSLY SIGNIFICANT. UH, THE LIGHTING, I WILL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE LIGHTING COSTS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN I ANTICIPATED. UM, UH, THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHY, UH, BUT, BUT, UH, JUST RESPECT, I WANT TO RESPECT THE PROCESS THAT WAS IN PLACE TO KIND OF LET THAT PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND, AND NOT SURE ABOUT JUST BEING, GIVEN THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SAID THAT YOU HAD MADE, UH, AND STILL TRYING TO RESPECT THE OTHER PROCESSES THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE. RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR THIS. SO IT DOES HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VISIONING. AND IF WE, AS A COUNCIL, AGREE THAT INVESTING IN THE DOWNTOWN IS PROFITABLE AND ROI CAPACITY FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND THE S YOU KNOW, BETTER FOR OUR TAX BASE, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD AMONGST THE COUNCIL IS, UM, DO WE WANT TO PUT EFFORTS IN BEAUTIFYING AND SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY ON OUR DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIGGER QUESTION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY STAFF IN THE EDC CAN MOVE FROM THAT. BUT UNLESS WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION UP HERE AND FIND AGREEMENT AMONGST THE SEVEN OF US ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE, HOW MUCH OF INVESTMENT THAT IS, AND WHAT DOES THAT ROI LOOK LIKE OF THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENT, THEN WE'RE ALL JUST TOTALLY IN OUR FINGERS AND WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO, TO MAKE A DECISION. MEANWHILE, BUSINESSES WHO THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARY FOR THE GROWTH OF THEIR BUSINESS, BOTTOM LINE ARE WAITING FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION AND GOVERNMENT ALREADY MOVES SLOW ENOUGH. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO EITHER BE A CONVERSATION ON THE NEXT AGENDA, SINCE THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE, UM, OR WE NEED TO HAVE A JOINT [01:35:01] EDC CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS WITH STAFF INVOLVEMENT. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST, DISJOINTEDLY TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE EDC NEEDS TO HAVE ROI AS A DETERMINATION. THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT SPEND THIS MONEY. WE CAN SPEND IT IF WE WANT TO OR NOT. WE SHOULD OBVIOUSLY BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING AND WHAT IMPACT IT HAS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT. LIKE THE EDC DOES BECAUSE OF THE RULES OF THEIR OPERATION. UM, SO WE'RE FREE TO DO THINGS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE FREE TO DO THINGS. WE'RE NOT, THAT'S WHY WE WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHO WE SHOULD DO EACH PIECE OF IT. UM, I THINK, I THINK TO A SIGNATURE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING ON THE LONG-TERM VISION, BUT THE IDEA WAS FIND SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT. I CAN'T FORESEE US THINKING, OH MY GOD, WHY DID WE PUT TRASH CANS DOWNTOWN? YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MISTAKE, BUT HE'S NOT SURE TRASH CANS DOWNTOWN IS FINE PUTTING SOME BOUNDARIES DOWNTOWN. OKAY. UM, W IF THE EXPENSE OF THE LIGHTS IS THAT MUCH OF YOU, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S WORTH IT OR NOT. I KNOW PEOPLE WANT IT, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DOES IT ACTUALLY COST THAT THAT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT? UM, BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE US FIND THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE DONE HERE WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, AND JUST BRING THAT BACK AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GET THAT APPROVED, UH, IN A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, AND THEN CONTINUE TO HAVE THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH EDC, THE MORE STRATEGIC THINGS, THE LONGTERM VISION, EVERYTHING ELSE. YEAH. AND JUST TO KEEP US ON THINGS SINCE IT'S REALLY ABOUT A BIT ON DOWNTOWN PROJECTS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING ON EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING, WE PROBABLY NEED TO SAY FOR AN FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. SO I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. UM, CHRISTINE, SO THESE REQUESTS FOR THE TRASH CANS AND THE BANNERS DID THAT COME FROM THE ROUND TABLE THAT WE HELD WITH US BUSINESSES, IS THAT FEEDBACK THAT YOU GUYS GOT? YES, THIS IS ALL DIRECT INPUT DIRECTLY FROM THAT, UM, KICKOFF, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FORUM IN DECEMBER. UM, AND IT'S, AGAIN, I WANNA EXTEND THE INVITATION TO EVERYONE HERE, UM, NEXT THURSDAY, AND IT'S ACTUALLY NINE 30 TO 10 30 AT THE TEXAN, UM, TO ATTEND AND REALLY GET TO SPEAK WITH THOSE BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, AND HERE'S SOME, UM, HOPEFULLY SOME REALLY EXCITING UPDATES THAT WE'LL HAVE AT THE TIME. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE UPDATE FROM THE DOWNTOWN PROJECTS? JUST A SMALL, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR YOU WANT THE, UM, TRASH CANS AND THE BANNERS NINE TO 800 BUCKS BROUGHT BACK TO YOUR MEETING NEXT WEEK AND NOT NECESSARILY THE LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S A BIT MORE POSSIBLE. YEAH, I THINK I KNOW IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COST OF THE LIGHTS. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. IT'S PART OF THE IT'S 17,481 FOR, OKAY. THREE OPTIONS FOR LIONS. CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CHRISTY CAN GO OVER THERE REAL QUICK IF YOU'D LIKE TO. SURE. UM, SO THERE'S THREE QUOTES, UM, IN THE PACKET. UM, SO, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ORDERS ARE IN, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT THE TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS $8,365 AND 73 CENTS. THAT WOULD BE THE OVERHEAD STREET LIGHTS. SO OVER EAST STREET, AND THESE ARE PERMANENT LIGHTS. IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, FOR THE HOLIDAYS, WE HAVE THEM UP FOR A MONTH AND A HALF OR SO. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LIGHTING. SO, UM, THESE ARE QUITE A BIT MORE, UM, EXPENSIVE AND THE COMBINATION AND MAINTENANCE AND INSTALL AND ALL OF THAT, UM, IS A BIT DIFFERENT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT IS THE TOTAL WOULD BE $17,491 95 CENTS. UM, NOW THOSE ARE ALL THE TREE LIGHTINGS. SO THAT'S ALL THE TREES ALONG FARLEY STREET THAT ARE NORMALLY WRAPPED AND DURING THE HOLIDAYS, AND THAT WOULD BE YEAR ROUND AND AGAIN, DIFFERENT TYPE OF BULB AND LIGHT. UM, SO AGAIN, QUITE A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS ACTUALLY, UM, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE ON THE ROOF LIGHTS. WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, THOSE WHITE LED LIGHTS ALONG THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UM, ALONG EAST, ALONG THE 110 BLOCKS OF EAST STREET. SO THIS WILL KIND OF LUMP INTO THESE PIECES AS JUST THE QUARTERLY MAINTENANCE PACKAGE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS JUST ONE YEAR. THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY LIKE AN AGREEMENT FOR TWO OR THREE. THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT ONE YEAR WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE ROOF LIGHTS ARE THOSE, UM, ALREADY MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. WE DO NOT MAINTAIN THEM. WE ARE CON CONTRACT AND ALL, YES. OKAY. I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS SINCE WE HAVE THE ROUND TABLE COMING UP, WE COULD DISCUSS WITH THE RESIDENTS, WOULD THEY RATHER, YOU KNOW, OR THE BUSINESS OWNERS, IS IT, YOU KNOW, FROM, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, AND THIS IS THE BUDGET WE HAVE FOR THIS. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE LIGHTS FIRST JUST BEING ACROSS THE STREETS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE TREES AND AT THAT POINT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR DO WE GO OUT WITH THE TREE? I, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO THINK, CAN WE DO SOMETHING AND NOT EVERYTHING YOU COULD ASK THAT THE ITEMS BE PRIORITIZED BY THE GROUP THERE AND MAKE IT BRING BACK THAT PRIORITIZATION OF ALL OF THEM? THE, YEAH. OKAY. IT'S OUR ONLY DOWNTOWN. [01:40:01] SO I THINK THAT, UM, AND IT'S NOT VERY BIG. UM, SO I, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE DOWN THERE THAT WOULD NOT BE THRILLED TO HAVE THOSE LIGHTS AT A MINIMUM, THE LIGHTS THAT OUTLINED THE TOP OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH OFTENTIMES ARE NOT COMPLETELY MAINTAINED. AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE SWAG HERE AND THERE AND YOU KNOW, THAT, TO ME, THAT'S A NEGATIVE IMAGE ON TO THE CITY. SO IF WE CAN DO THAT AND THEY'D BE MAINTAINED, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT DOING THAT. AND, AND ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTS KIND OF WOULD BE, WOULD BE EXTRA, BUT IT, IT IS A HUGE, VISIBLE, AS PEOPLE ARE FLYING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, THEY SEE IT AND THEY GO, OH, WHAT IS THAT COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, THE LIGHTING FOR THE DOWNTOWN IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE FOR THE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE AND JUST THE, UM, HAVING A DOWNTOWN. SO I'M DEFINITELY ALL FOR, IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS FOR THE SEVENTH MEETING ON THE SEVENTH, WE WANT TO SEE ALL THREE, THE BANNERS, THE TRASHCAN, AND THE LIGHTING. AND IT'LL BE GREAT ON THE 24TH, IF YOU GUYS COULD, PRIOR TO IT PRIORITIZE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE IT FOR THE MEETING ON THE SEVENTH. RIGHT NOW, I KNOW, UM, IN THINKING ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY CAUSE OF ROUND TABLES COMING UP, ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP WERE WHAT SIGNAGE TO SAY, WELCOME TO HISTORIC DOWNTOWN HOW-TO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT KIND OF THING. SHOULD WE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE STUFF COME BACK ON THE SEVENTH, BUT ALSO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS, IF THIS WERE, THIS IS YOUR WISHLIST AND WHAT WE CAN DO, DO YOU WANT THE SIGNS COMING IN? DO YOU WANT THE BANNERS? DO YOU WANT, I MEAN, WE NEED THE TRASH CANS. UM, SO I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, MAYBE THIS ISN'T MAYBE THE RIGHT FORUM FOR IT, BUT MAYBE GET SINCE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THAT ROUND TABLE MIGHT MAYBE KIND OF GET FROM THEM WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT WE CAN RE REALISTICALLY BUDGET. BUT I DO BELIEVE THE LIGHTS ARE IMPORTANT. I THINK I HAVE TO ADJUST THIS IF THE SIGNAGE ISSUE AND COORDINATING IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AESTHETICALLY APPEALING, IT'S VISIBLY APPROPRIATE, UH, THE DIRECTIONAL, WHETHER YOU DO A WAYFINDING, THAT SORT OF THING, THAT'S A WHOLE BIGGER BASKET OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A DISCUSSION WITH THE ROUND TABLE, BUT ALSO AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE BIGGEST THINGS THAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'LL LOOK AT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? WHERE ARE YOU TRYING TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY HALL COMPLEX OR THE CO-OP AREA AND THE DOWNTOWN. AND IT CAN ENVISION THAT AND HELP MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S NEEDS TO BE SIGNED COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TWO THERE IS, OR THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT DISTINGUISHED WOULD BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE SIGNAGE YOU HAVE HERE AND THERE THAT'S ALL WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PLANNED OUT. UM, SO IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN. AND THEN THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT THE SIGNAGE, UH, THE BANNER, EXCUSE ME, IN THE TRASH CANS AND THE THREE OPTIONS FOR LIGHTING, UM, THAT, THAT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU, UH, WITH THE PRIORITIZATION FROM THE ROUND TABLE. THAT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU ON THE SEVEN. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT WE'LL GO TO ITEM 11 FOR DISCUSSION [12.4. Discussion and possible action to create a Business Board (Mayor Snyder)] AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO CREATE A BUSINESS BOARD. THIS IS MORE OF A, A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO IN TALKING A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS REALLY MY IDEA. AND TALKING TO PAST CITY MANAGER HUTMARKER AND A CITY MANAGER TURNER, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES WE SPEND OUR TIME UP HERE AS A GOVERNMENT BODY, TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR BUSINESSES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT WAS COULD YOU NOT HAVE, UH, I THINK THE MAJOR CALLED IT A BUSINESS ALLIANCE, DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, COUNCIL MEMBER, FIELD, REAL SALVO CALLED IT A BUSINESS ALLIANCE. I THINK YOU CALLED IT A BUSINESS BOARD. I JUST, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT THE IDEA BEING THAT MAYBE THE CITY ORGANIZE IT AND THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED WITH IT. IT'S A SEPARATE, ALMOST LIKE A SEPARATE ENTITY, BUT INSTEAD OF US UP HERE FIGURING OUT, DO WE DO LIGHTS OVERHEAD? DID WE DO THIS? DO WE DO THAT? WHAT'S A TRASHCAN GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT COLOR DO WE WANT THIS? THE DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE IS A ONE THAT MAKES THAT DECISION. THE CITY CAN FUND THAT GROUP WITH MONEY. AND ALSO WE CAN WORK AS A LONG-TERM GOAL WAS TO HAVE AN ART DISTRICT THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE ZONE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE CITY. IT STILL FALLS UNDER THE HPC, BUT IN THAT, UM, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RULES. LIKE THEY CAN HAVE OUTDOOR MUSIC, THEY CAN HAVE WHERE YOU CAN BUY A DRINK AT ONE RESTAURANT AND WALK TO ANOTHER. THEY CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT. WHEREAS EVERY TIME A BUSINESS COMES IN TO DO THAT, THEY'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE HPC. THEN THEY GOT TO CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL. THEN WE'VE GOT SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT. AND THEY KIND OF COME UP WITH THE RULES THAT THEY THINK THEY NEED TO LIVE BY, TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THEN WE, AS A COUNCIL COULD THEN DEBATE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THOSE RULES. AND SO [01:45:01] I'M JUST MORE LOOKING INSTEAD OF GOVERNMENT TELLING BUSINESS, THIS IS CUSTOMER SALVO. IT SAID SEVERAL TIMES, INSTEAD OF GOVERNMENT TELLING BUSINESSES WHAT TO DO, I'M PROPOSING LITERALLY GOVERNMENT HELPED THE BUSINESSES GET TOGETHER, GET ORGANIZED. AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE BUILDING OWNERS, THEY CAN MAKE UP THEIR OWN RULES, BRING THEM TO CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN IMPLEMENT A CHANGE THAT AFFECTS WHETHER IT BE STREET FARLEY. WE WANT MAIN STREET, IF IT SHOULD GO OVER THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA FOR DISCUSSION COMPLETELY OPEN TO ANY THOUGHTS. I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT WITH A BUSINESS TELLING US WHAT THEY NEED FROM US. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A CITY COMMITTEE OR A CITY COMMISSION. UM, THIS PAST WEEK I WAS ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY WITH A MEMBER OF THE CHAMBER BOARD AND THEN SOME CITY STAFF, UM, FOR THE DIRECTION ACTUALLY OF YOU MAYOR. UM, YOU WENT TO THERE, THE CHAMBER MEETING ABOUT A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY. AND, UH, THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY RICH IN CONVERSATION ABOUT AS THE CITY OF HIGH-DOSE AND GROWING WITH NEW BUSINESSES, NEW INDUSTRIES COMING HERE, THE CHAMBER ALSO NEEDS TO BE GROWING IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT BUSINESS NEEDS. FOR EXAMPLE, ALL OF OUR, UM, INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES OVER AT INNOVATION PARK. UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN JOINING THE CHAMBER AS IT IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ANSWER THEIR NEEDS AS INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS, BUT THEY WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN AN INDUSTRIAL ALLIANCE, INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS ALLIANCE, SAME THING FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A VERY SPECIFIC DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND THE CHAMBER IS OPEN TO CREATING THOSE COMMITTEES AND PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY CHRISTIANE ON STAFF HAD A LOT OF RESOURCES TO PASS OVER TO THE CHAMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH ON THE CITY SIDE TO BE, UM, FROM A STAFF SIDE TO BE MONITORING AND AN ADDITIONAL COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS TAKING THAT INPUT. WHEREAS IF WE HAD THE CHAMBER REALLY LEAD WHERE THEY DO WELL WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND, UM, HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE AND FOSTER IT, SAME THING WITH THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES, UM, AND THEN HAVE A LIAISON THAT WORKS WITH OUR CITY STAFF, UM, WHICH THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO BE THAT LIAISON, UM, THROUGH THE CHAMBER. AND THEN THE CHAMBER IS ALSO OFFERED TO HAVE A CITY STAFF MEMBER TO BE AT THEIR BOARD MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS TO BE LIAISON ON THE CITY SIDE. AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL WHEN NECESSARY, IF THERE IS POLICY THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT TOGETHER OR A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING FOR THE EDC TO CONSIDER, UM, THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH OUR STAFF TO PUT THAT ON THESE SPECIFIC AGENDAS. UM, SO I JUST THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY FOR US TO HAVE THAT COLLABORATION EFFORT WITH THE CHAMBER, WHICH, WHICH I THINK WAS A GREAT IDEA OF THE MAYOR TO, TO ASK FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, AND SO THE CHAMBER IS LOOKING TO JOIN US WITH THESE QUARTERLY, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE QUARTERLY ROUND TABLES, UM, IN ABOUT A YEAR, YOU KNOW, GETTING STUFF OFF THE GROUND. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER A DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE AND, UM, AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS ALLIANCE. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT AS WE'VE BEEN EXPANDING THERE'S THERE'S NEEDS FOR THOSE THINGS AND THE CHAMBER IS ALREADY THERE AND CAN DO IT WELL. UM, AND THEY THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO STAY WITHIN OUR CAPACITY AND LET THEM COME TO US WHEN IT NEEDED. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. UH, I NEED A LIGHT, UM, I DON'T HA I DON'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN OBJECTION WITH THE CHAMBER SORT OF, UM, BEING THE SPEARHEAD OF ALL OF THAT, BUT I WOULD BE A BIT CONCERNED THAT THEY WOULD NOT JUST FOCUS ON THEIR MEMBERS AS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SITTING ON THAT ALLIANCE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THAT AREN'T MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER AND THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE SMART TO HAVE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT ALL BUSINESSES ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY, UM, HEAL SOME OF THE FRACTURED RELATIONSHIP, UM, THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE BUSINESSES WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO BE A MEMBER. BUT I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL THAT THAT DOESN'T CONTINUE THAT FRACTURE. OKAY. YEAH. I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT AND A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THEM. YEAH. MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CHAMBER HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE, BUT THEY DON'T DRIVE THIS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND YOU KIND OF LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, MAYBE DRAW A BOUNDARY AROUND IT. AND WE KIND OF CREATE SOME KIND OF A ZONE OR SOMETHING. THEN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS LEADERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE. THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN PRESIDENT AND WHATEVER. AND THEN THE CHAMBER IS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE [01:50:01] BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT MISSION, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY FOCUSED MISSION ON JUST WHAT THEY NEED DOWNTOWN. AND SO MAYBE THE, WE JUST TURN IT OVER TO THEM CAUSE I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, I THINK WHAT SAID IS THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I KINDA THINK THERE'S LESS BENEFIT OF HAVING THE CITY APPOINTED BOARD AND MORE OF, WE ENCOURAGE THE BUSINESS LEADERS TO CREATE THEIR OWN ALLIANCE. AND THEN WE ARE A PARTNER, THE CHAMBER'S A PARTNER AND WE HELP THEM. AND IF THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO COME TO THE EDC. AND THEN THEY CAN RUN THEIR OWN THING. AND WE'RE WE'RE RESOURCES. IT'S NOT WHAT WAS MY, SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'D LIKE TO THE CHAMBER TO FACILITATE THESE GROUPS, BUT NOT RESTRICT THE MEMBERSHIP IN THESE GROUPS AND ENCOURAGE ANYBODY IN THESE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S GEOGRAPHICAL OR INDUSTRY, IF IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL GROUP, SAY EVERYBODY IN THE INDUSTRIAL SPACE, YOU CAN BE PART OF THIS, WHETHER YOU'RE A CHAMBER MEMBER OR NOT, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF HELP MAKE IT, BRING IT INTO EXISTENCE. UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA RESTRICT IT AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MARK IT AND TRY AND INCREASE YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO UPSET HIM AND MAKE HIM DO WORK FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S WORKED FOR THE HUDDLE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND AS A CITY, WE DON'T WANT TO BE RESTRICTIVE. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF CAN WORK OUT A LITTLE BIT OF A BALANCE WHERE THEY'RE WILLING TO EXPAND BEYOND JUST NUMBERS AND MAKE THEM WORK. AND, AND, AND TALKING TO THE SYMANTEC, THE REASON I'M PROPOSING TWO DIFFERENT, THIS IS DOWNTOWN GEORGETOWN. THE DOWNTOWN IS RUN BY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND THE GEORGETOWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE DOWNTOWN ROUND ROCK IS RUN BY A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION THAN THE ROUND ROCK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. AND SO WHEN I START SEEING CITIES DO THINGS SUCCESSFULLY, I STARTED LOOKING BACK AND GOING, HELLO, HOW'S MY WARRANTS HAD THE CHAMBER. I ACTUALLY HAVE TALKED TO A DREAM IN TERMS OF, WITH ONE OF YOU ALL WANT TO BE ON THIS. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE. MY PLAN IS NOT IN TALKING TO THE CITY MAJOR. IT'S NOT FOR THIS TO BE A COUNCIL APPOINTED CAUSE COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS TURN INTO POLITICS, AND THEN YOU'RE PICKING FRIENDS OR SOMEONE WHO HELPED YOU. THIS IS LITERALLY TO START SOMETHING TO GET GOING. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COULDN'T HAVE 15 PEOPLE OR EIGHT PEOPLE THAT IS, NEEDS TO BE UP. IN MY OPINION, TO THE PEOPLE IN DOWNTOWN WHO RUN THE BUSINESSES WHO DETERMINED THEIR OWN RULES. IT IS JUST MORE FOR THIS EIGHT TO FACILITATE IT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I REALLY WANT NO CITY INVOLVEMENT IN IT WHATSOEVER BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS TO GET THE CITY OUT AND NO OFFENSE TO ISAAC AND HIS STAFF. IT, YOU PUT ONE CITY PERSON ON THAT BOARD AND IT WILL START SLOWLY CREEP INTO, WELL, THE CITY, THIS AND THE CITY. THAT THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IT CAN'T BE THE CHAMBER IS WHEN HE STARTED COMING UP. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE LIGHTS BE DONE BY THIS ORGANIZATION. SO THAT THEN WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE DRIPPING OR THE LIGHTS ARE OUT OF THE TREES, AREN'T DONE, THE CALLS WILL COME TO CITY HALL. THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE IS TAKEN CARE OF THAT. IT'S THEIR BUSINESSES OUT THERE. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SEE IT EVERY DAY THEY CAN MEET, THEY CAN DO THE CONTRACTS, THEY CAN DO ALL OF THAT. IT REALLY, IN A WAY, IT TAKES A LOT OF, A LOT OF RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE CITY, FROM A STAFFING STANDPOINT. AND THEN THAT WAY, BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLAIN, BUT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH. BUT IF YOU KIND OF GIVE THEM THE START AND HELP THEM ALONG THEN THE BUSINESSES THERE ARE MORE CREATIVE THAN CITY GOVERNMENT IS THERE. THEY'RE MORE VESTED INTO IT. AND SO THAT'S MY WHOLE THING IS AGAIN, NO CITY INVOLVEMENT. UM, THE CHAMBER SITS ON IT. UM, THEY'RE BRINGING RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. HEY, WE WOULD LIKE SOME FUNDING FROM THE CITY TO DO A DOWNTOWN SANTA. UM, I FORGOT WHAT THE EDC WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SANTA CLAUSE DOWNTOWN ON FRIDAY, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS DURING THE CHRISTMAS TIME. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GOVERNMENT DETERMINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AS WELL AS IF YOU HAD THE ACTUAL BUSINESS PEOPLE MEETING AND COMING UP. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT, IT'S MORE LIKE IT'S NOT TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY IT'S AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. UH, IF I COULD JUST, JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOT OF THE LARGER CITIES AND HOW IS NONE OF THOSE CITIES HAVE A MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION, WHICH DOES A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND HOW THOUGH WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT AND ASSOCIATION OR ALLIANCE OR WHEREVER YOU WANT TO CALL. IT COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. AND WITH THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE OTHER ENTITIES THAT COULD HELP PROVIDE THEM SOME SUPPORT WHEN THEY NEEDED IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WANTED TO CREATE IN OUR PAINTED DISTRICT, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU NOT HAVE JUST THE MEMBERS SIT AROUND AND SAY, THESE ARE GOING TO BE RULES OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT THEY COULD SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED FROM THE NAME, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEEN BUILT AND SUCH THAT, UH, YOUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOLKS CAN PULL. SOME THINGS THAT THEY KNOW IS THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN PLACE THAT DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DISTRICT MAY WANT TO DO. THE OUTDOOR MUSIC. YOU TAKE THE BEVERAGE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, THAT SORT OF THING. AND THEY HAVE THOSE RULES AREN'T SET UP THAT ARE LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE. SO THERE'S SOME ASSISTANCE THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, BUT I THINK WE COULD, SELF-DETERMINATION PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS AND WHO ARE IN DOWNTOWN, UH, EVERY DAY IS A WONDERFUL THING TO HAPPEN. UH, GETTING THOSE FOLKS TO PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN ESTABLISHING THE VISION OF VMI KEEPS SAYING, IF THE VISION IS GOOD AND FOLLOWED, YOU WON'T HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL IN PROXIMITY TO YOUR FAMILY. YES, SIR. THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, ASSOCIATION ALLIANCE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA TO CALL IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I DID HAVE SOMETHING, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE, UM, I'M TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. SO WE DON'T WANT CITY [01:55:01] INVOLVEMENT. WE DON'T WANT CHAMBER INVOLVEMENT. AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY? YEAH. I NEVER SAID WE DIDN'T WANT CHAMBER INVOLVEMENT. WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THEY OPERATE ON THEIR OWN AND THE CITY'S NOT INVOLVED. THEY'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY ENTITY. SO HOW DO WE, UM, COLLABORATE WITH THEM? HOW DO WE HELP THEM ORGANIZE? HOW DO WE HELP THEM COME TOGETHER AND DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND GUIDE THEM. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I, I, I, I WAS LOOKING AT MORE AS A TASK FORCE SO THAT IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S KIND OF THE CITIES ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THEN WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER BROUGHT UP THE CHAMBER BEING INVOLVED IN IT, I MEAN, I REALLY THINK IT'S OPPORTUNITY, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO DRIVE IT? WELL, ONE WAY TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE CHAMBER COULD BE AN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION OR DIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO CALL THEM COMMITTEES OR WHERE THE CHAMBERS GOING TO CALL THEM. BUT FOR MEMBERS, THERE ARE MEMBERS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF FOCUS OR UNIQUE AREAS OF FOCUS. WHAT RULE COULD BE A DOWNTOWN, OR THAT COULD JUST BE A DOWNTOWN ASSOCIATION ALLIANCE BOARD THAT WOULD BE FORMED THAT COULD PARTNER WITH CHAMBER OR SOMETHING. CERTAINLY THE CITY COULD BE THERE TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SOMEBODY THAT OFF THAT WILL NOT BE THE FIRST APPOINTED MEMBERS SETTING UP THE MEETINGS AND NOT IN PERSON THEY'RE GOING TO EAT, OR IT COULD BE A PERSON WHO COULD SAY, UH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SET UP A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, UM, THEY KNOW WHAT, UH, STANDARDS ARE FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL GET THE IDEA OF WHAT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO DO FROM THE MEMBERSHIP OF THAT COUNTDOWN GROUP. THAT'S THE, OF THE DOWNTOWN, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE? I WOULD SAY, AS THAT GROUP IS TALKING, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A FUTURE VISION. WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? BUT THEY'RE THERE. THEY CAN TAKE THE LEADERSHIP, THEY CAN TAKE OWNERSHIP AND BRING THEM TO A CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY, CERTAINLY THEY WANT TO CREATE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OR SOME KIND OF DISTRICT, SO YOU CAN TELL THEM, OKAY, THESE ARE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS YOU NEED TO HAVE IN PLACE. I COULD RUN THAT VIBE. SO THEN WHEN THAT COMES TO THE COUNCIL IS FROM THAT GROUP. AND THEY SAID, WE WORK WITH CITY STAFF, AND THESE ARE THE WAY THESE THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING, ET CETERA. THERE IS NOTHING MORE WONDERFUL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WELL, THERE'S SOMETHING, ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL THINGS THAT YOU CAN HAVE IS TO HAVE A CHAMBER EVENT THAT INVOLVES A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES, NOT EVERY BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE A MEMBER OF CHAMBER, BUT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE PART OF THE CHAMBER THAT WHEN THEY GET TOGETHER, THEY GET THE CHANCE TO MEET EACH OTHER, FIND EACH OTHER'S TOP WITH US AND MAYBE DO A LITTLE BUSINESS TOGETHER, BUT CELEBRATE THE SUCCESS OF . WELL, TO THAT POINT, DO YOU MANAGE YOUR RETURNER? UM, THE CHAMBER HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN DOING THAT. UM, EVERY EVENT THEY'VE PUT ON FOR THE PAST, LIKE THREE MONTHS IS AN OPENED EVERY BUSINESS IN OHIO, UM, OR THAT DOES BUSINESS IN HOW-TO AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS. LIKE THEY DID A SPEED NETWORKING EVENT OVER AT UTEC AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO PARTICIPATE. UM, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THAT US MAKING THE DETERMINATION FOR THIS GROUP JUST SOLELY AS A BODY AND NOT INCLUDING, UM, THEIR BOARD OR THE DOWNTOWN STASIS, I THINK IT'S VERY TIMELY WITH THE ROUND-TABLE HAPPENING NEXT WEEK ON THURSDAY FOR THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE PREVIOUS ROUND TABLE, UH, ON THE 10TH IN DECEMBER. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A GREAT CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE, UM, WITH CHRISTIE AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, AT THE TECHS AND NEXT WEEK, AND SEE THERE WAS INTEREST, ARE THEY GOING TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT INTEREST AND WANT TO DO AN ALLIANCE? AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE BUY-IN FROM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER AND, UM, AND CHRISTIE HAS ALREADY PROVIDED THEM WITH THE INFORMATION NEEDED AND THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO CREATE ALLIANCES, LIKE ARE DONE IN AUSTIN AND ROUND ROCK, ET CETERA. SO, UM, I DEFINITELY THINK FURTHER CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION IS, IS MEREDITH. I JUST, I JUST WANT TO SHOW THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE FOR THEM. THEY'VE BEEN NEGLECTED, I THINK FOR THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS AND KIND OF SUFFERING ALONE. THIS IS WHAT THEY FEEL THAT, UM, ATTENTION HASN'T BEEN GIVEN TO THEM. SO I REALLY THINK, UH, STEPPING IN AND THE ROUND TABLE STARTING UP IS GREAT. AND, UM, JUST REALLY SHOWING WE'RE COMMITTED TO THEIR SUCCESS BECAUSE THEIR SUCCESS IS OUR SUCCESS IN THE LONG RUN. NO, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY COULD DO FOR THIS WHOLE BUBBLE THOUGHT IS TO KIND OF CONTACT SOME OF THE CITIES THAT MAYBE ARE AROUND US OR THAT HAVE, THAT ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE OF US. UM, AND I'M SURE THAT CHRISSY HAS NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU MY WORK, BUT HAS CONTACTS WITH THESE OTHER CITIES AND SAY, HOW DO YOU ALL FUNCTION? I MEAN, AND, AND KIND OF, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIKE SIZES. AND THEN YOU CAN START PIGGYBACKING OFF OF ONE ANOTHER AND CALL AND ASK, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR BEST PRACTICE FOR, YOU KNOW, BRINGING XYZ TOGETHER. IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE EVEN SOME OF THE CONFERENCES THAT ARE ATTENDED, MAYBE EVEN HAS THAT KIND OF INFORMATION THAT IS DISCUSSED. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, THE LAST PART I SHOULD, [02:00:01] UH, I'M GONNA GET IN TROUBLE IF I DON'T MENTION THIS. THE OTHER PART THAT I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE ARE THE ACTUAL LAND OWNERS. SO THERE'S JIM SMITH, THERE'S JOSH RICHARDS. UM, THERE'S GAVE HIM MIKE SANCHEZ. THERE IS PHELAN. ELLISON IS GRACIE MATTHEWS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO OWN MY GUESS IS THEY PROBABLY OWN A LITTLE OVER THREE FOURTHS OF THE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SO IT'S GREAT TO TALK TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SET THE RATES THEY'LL PAY THE TAXES. AND FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK ON EAST STREET, IF YOU HAD TALKED TO JOSH, HE LIVES IN TAYLOR. THE REASON HE BOUGHT THE TWO LOTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST STREET IS BECAUSE HE ONLY WANTS BUILDINGS THAT ARE ERECTED. LIKE THEY WERE BACK WHEN THE BILLIONS WERE THERE. AND SO HE HAS PURPOSELY BOUGHT LAND TO STOP ANYBODY FROM COMING IN AND CHANGING DOWNTOWN. SO THEIR VOICES, I THINK ARE IMPORTANT IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SETTING UP, UM, AND NOT THAT STAFF HAS TO BE THERE FOR THIS, BUT IN TERMS OF A POSTING, BUT MAYBE A SATURDAY WORKSHOP SOMETIME IN NEXT MONTH TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN BECAUSE MOST OF THESE BUSINESS OWNERS TO REALLY TALK, A LOT OF THEM ARE WORKING DURING THE DAY, UM, AT THEIR BUSINESS, BUT TRY TO FIND A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A WORKSHOP IN HERE TO KIND OF GET THEM ALL TOGETHER AND AT LEAST TALK IN TERMS OF A BIGGER PICTURE. WHAT DOES SOMETHING LIKE THIS LOOK LIKE IT MAY NOT WORK AT ALL. IT MAY BE TOO MANY DIVIDED, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME SINCE FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE ON MOST OF DOWNTOWN, BUT THEN IN THEIR TENANTS AND THEY CAN PRETTY QUICKLY COME UP. THE LAST THING IS A LOT OF THE REASON THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES IS NOT PART OF THE CHAMBER HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT THE CHAMBER HAS. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT. AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL RECENTLY, ALL THE ELECTRICITY COMES OUT OF ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE STREET, BUT NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE IN, IN A CHAMBER. AND SO THEY SEE EXTREMELY HIGH ELECTRIC BILL BECAUSE ALL THE UTILITIES, WATER AND ELECTRIC COME FROM THEM AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BAD PARTNERS, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TENTS AND STUFF THAT BLOCK THEIR BUSINESS VIEW. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE, NOT TO COMPETE AGAINST THE CHAMBER, BUT TO HAVE A VOICE IN DEALING WITH THE CHAMBER TO SAY, HEY, WHEN YOU GUYS HOLD X EVENT ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, ISN'T IT SHUTS DOWN. I CAN'T, I CAN'T HAVE ANY BITE MY PHARMACY, MY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE BUSINESSES FAIL ON THE FLIP SIDE. THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES WHO DO EXTREMELY WELL. AND SO HOW DO YOU BLEND ALL THAT TOGETHER TO WHAT IS NOT A WINNER AND A LOSER, BUT THERE'S ALL WINNERS. AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY ALL WANT TO DO IS JUST BE ABLE TO TALK, SHARE ALL THE CONCERNS WITH EVERYBODY TOGETHER AT A BOARD, JUST LIKE OUR OTHER BOARDS DO, AND THEN COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE SOME CHANGES WITH YOUR ORDINANCES. WHAT'S YOUR FEE SCHEDULE, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL, MAYBE TRY TO SET SOMETHING UP IN, UM, APRIL IS PROBABLY TOO SOON, BUT, UM, MAYBE APRIL OR MAY JUST TO TRY TO GET US ALL TOGETHER. MR. MAYOR MEN'S COUNCIL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE FOLKS THAT ARE ASSISTING WITH THE COMP PLAN TO BE A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. IS THAT GOING TO BE A LONGER TERM ISSUE? AND IT PLAYS RIGHT INTO THAT. UM, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS ON THIS. SO I THINK FOR, AT THE ROUND TABLE ASK IF THEY, IF THEY WANT IT, I THINK THAT'S THE EASIEST THING TO ASK YOU, JUST ASK, DO THEY WANT, DO THEY WANT THAT? IT'S ONE THING TO SAY AT A ROUND TABLE, A BOARD SOUNDS GREAT, BUT THEN THE ACTUAL TIME COMMITMENT. AND HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE ON MOST OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS EVERYONE LOVES THE IDEA AND IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC, BUT THE ACTUAL TIES OR ROAD, WE HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT IN THE TIME AND DO THE WORK. UM, AND THEN I ALSO WONDER WITH CREATING POSSIBLY WHETHER IT'S US DIRECTING, NOT DIRECTING, WHATEVER IT MAY END UP LOOKING AT, IS IT JUST GOING TO END UP BEING PERFORMATIVE? WE HAVE ROUND TABLES, WE HAVE THE CHAMBER, WE HAVE A COMP 40, WE HAVE THE EDC PLAN. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE DUPLICATING A LOT OF EFFORTS BY STAFF AND DUPLICATING A LOT OF EFFORTS OF THESE BUSINESSES, UM, AND REALLY WASTING SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES WHEN THERE ARE ALREADY A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES FOR THEM TO VOICE CONCERNS, UM, COMPLAINTS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NECESSARILY A BAD IDEA IN DOWNTOWN IS A GREAT PLACE TO START TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT IT TOGETHER FOR DOWNTOWN ALLIANCE. UM, AND I JUST THINK THIS ITEM, AND THEN THE ONE BEFORE IT, ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO SET THE VISION. ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT. ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL, ASKING FOR FUNDS TO GET THESE THINGS DONE, THAT THEY'RE PRIORITIZING. SO, AND THAT HAPPENED SO MANY TIMES THAT PEOPLE COME UP HERE TO PRESENT TO US. IF IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR VISION, OR THEY FEEL ALL THIS WORK AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE GREAT IDEAS AND THEY SPEND HOURS STORMING AND THEN THEY COME HERE, LIKE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IS THAT WE'LL BE ENVISIONED. SO I REALLY THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL AND THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND JUST THIS ITEM AND THEN THE ONE BEFORE IT. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S EDC, UM, AND STAFF AND COUNCIL TO START WITH, THEN THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT TO ME, FOR US TO HAVE A WORK SESSION, TO MAKE THAT, THAT VISION AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT IS WHEN WE STARTED INVITING THE OTHER PLAYERS TO THE TABLE, THE OWNERS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE CHAMBER, ET CETERA. AND IF THIS IS A BOARD THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER BOARD WE'RE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY TRY TO FACILITATE OR BRING TOGETHER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT ULTIMATELY JUST A DUPLICATION OF A ROUND TABLE OR JUST THE DUPLICATION OF THE COMP 40 OR SOMETHING. LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS, THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF ME LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS TO ME, IT'S KIND OF SOUNDING A LITTLE BIT LIKE DUPLICATING [02:05:01] EFFORTS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK THROUGH IT AND WE HAVE A CLEAR VISION. SO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, A WORK SESSION WITH US, EDC AND STAFF, I THINK WOULD BE KIND OF REALLY THE FIRST STEP IN MY EYES. OKAY. SHOULD IT BE THE FIRST STEP? AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE. OH, JUST AN FYI. CHRISTIE IS ON OUR STATE, ON THE STATE BOARD FOR DOWNTOWN, UM, ALLIANCES. RIGHT. CHRISTIE. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. BUT, UM, SO SHE DOES TALK WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER STATES, WHICH IS AWESOME THAT WE HAVE THAT RESOURCE, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD INCLUDE THE LANDOWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN ROUND TABLES ALREADY DONE SWEET. UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A GREAT FORUM FOR AGAIN, ALL THOSE VOICES TO COME TOGETHER BEFORE WE SET THE VISION AS A COUNCIL WITH THE EDC AND THE STAFF ON WHAT'S POSSIBLE. SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU IN THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION IF, IF YOU'RE INCLUDING THE LANDOWNERS, BUT NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE'RE, THIS GROUP IS CREATING THE VISION, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FEEL? ARE THEY, ARE THE BUSINESS OWNERS NOT GOING TO FEEL KIND OF LIKE YOU'RE SITTING ART VISION FOR WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, MY BUSINESS. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, WE DO FOR THE CITIZENS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ELECTED UP HERE. AND THAT'S, I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG OR WE DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THEM. I HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF INCLUDING THEM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY WILL BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FUNDS TO APPROVE SET VISION, WHETHER IT ALIGNS WITH THEIRS OR NOT. ANY OF THOSE IDEAS THAT COME OUT OF THIS BOARD WOULD ESSENTIALLY END UP RIGHT THERE. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAID NOT TO INCLUDE THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE INITIAL INITIAL WORK SESSION ISSUE, A WORK SESSION. AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WORK SESSION. OKAY. RIGHT. THE, THE WORK SESSION OF THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING THE VISION FOR THEM, BUT MAYBE WAIT. AND JUST LIKE THE COMMUNITY HAS INVITED TO ALL OF OUR WORK SESSIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND COMP 40 EVERYONE IS INVITED TO THOSE. THEY'RE INVITED TO CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSIONS AT EVERY TURN. SO I MEAN MORE THAN THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT IF THEY WANT IT TO COME TO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEY WOULD BE EXCLUDED OR BARD ACCESS TO THE WORK SESSION. IT'S NOT THAT AT ALL. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU START COMING OUT WITH SIX AND SEVEN, VERY DIFFERENT GROUPS AND ENTITIES, THEN IT GETS VERY CLOUDED IN THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF, OF WORK. AND IT BEING PRODUCTIVE WORK SESSION. I THINK THE CHANCES BECOME MUCH MORE SLIM. THE MORE PLAYERS YOU ADD AND WORK PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO SPEAK, IT CAN DEFINITELY BECOME MUCH MORE CLOUDED AND NOT NECESSARILY STREAMLINED. THE SUCCESS WE SAW AT THE WORKSHOP IS A COUNCIL THAT WE DID WITH THE VISIONING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CASTING A BROAD SCOPE OF THAT VISION FOR THE WHOLE CITY. YEAH. ALL CITIZENS, SORRY, CITY MANAGER. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOME THINGS IN PLACE THAT ARE HELPING YOU. THE QUESTION YOU'RE REALLY ASKING, IS THERE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN DO BEFORE WE FIRMLY ESTABLISHED A VISION OR IS THAT VISION DOESN'T HAPPEN QUICK ENOUGH FOR US, THAT PLAN IS GOING TO HELP YOU TO DEFINE WHAT THE COMMUNITY IN THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE BIKE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING, SECOND THING YOU DO DO VISIONING FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOU TYPICALLY SUPPOSED TO DO IT AT 50,000 FEET, NOT 20,000 AND NOT ON THE GROUND, WHETHER OR NOT THE DOWNTOWN WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY GRINCH FROM ONE BUSINESS TO THE OTHER. LET THEM TELL YOU THAT. ALTHOUGH YOU PROBABLY KNOW, LIKE, SURE, I'LL LET THEM TELL YOU THAT I LET THEM HAVE THAT PIECE. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S DOWN ON THE GROUND, YOURS IS UP HERE. OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THOSE ELEMENTS. AND SOME OF YOU MAY BE RIGHT. SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME THINGS IN PLACE TO LET THOSE HAPPEN. THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO IN BETWEEN NOW? AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT BASE IN PLACE AND THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME THINGS, YES, YOU ABSOLUTELY DON'T DUPLICATE GROUPS. AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH IS PART OF MY THOUGHT IN LISTENING TO YOU ABOUT HAVING THAT ENTITY, THAT IS A SPECIFIC AREA, A SPECIFIC IMPACT, HAVING THOSE FOLKS, HAVING SIGNIFICANT VOICE IN LEADING AND JUSTIN AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, THEY ALREADY SHOULD BE. I'M PRETTY SURE THEY ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE MATH PLAN. SO THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE MEANTIME THAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT TO DO FOR THEM, THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT IT ALL HAS TO COME BACK HERE ALL ANYWAY. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER, THAT'S A LIAISON, NOT A MEMBER OR LIAISON, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION AND YOU SHOOT OR NOT. YOU HAVE A COUNSELOR, THAT'S A GLAZER, NOT THE SAME ANXIETY AS YOU HAVE WITH YOUR FOURTH. COMMISSION'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROLE TO BE KIND OF A OBSERVER SHARING INFORMATION FROM THAT, COMING BACK TO THIS GROUP SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS. YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE JOINT MEETINGS AS YOU DECIDE TO HAVE THOSE OR THE COUNCIL, UH, PARTICIPATE IN CERTAIN VISIONING PROCESSES THAT ARE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTUALLY CAN HAVE A TEAM THAT SORT OF BRINGS UP. YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN APPROACH THIS. LET ME SUGGEST THIS YOU'VE GOT ESTABLISHED. AND THAT'S MY EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA. UH, YOUR DUBLIN SERVICES DIRECTOR [02:10:01] WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL HELPING YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST. YOU HAVE A VERY VIBRANT DOWNTOWN. UH, YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT CHRISTY IS HERE. SHE'S ALREADY GOT SOME OTHER CONNECTION. VERY GOOD CONNECTIONS. LET US TAKE WHAT YOU SAID. WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU THIS SPECIFIC THING. YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, LET US TAKE THE REST OF THAT AND KIND OF SORT THROUGH THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH IT. YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH, NO, THAT WORKS. I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSSION AND GET STARTED AND GET MOVING BECAUSE, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM? UM, MAY I THINK THAT THERE DOES NEED TO BE, UM, A WORK SESSION? I THINK THE LAST ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A WORK SESSION, AND NOW THIS ITEM, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A WORK SESSION. SO I THINK WE CAN JUST DO A WORKSHOP. WE JUST NEED TO DO THE WORK SESSION WITH US EDC AND STAFF. SO MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, IS KIND OF WHAT COMES FROM HOLLAND SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY OR ANYBODY IN DOWNTOWN IF YOU GET THE EDC, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE SOUTH TOGETHER, BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE RUNNING THE BUSINESS DOWN THERE AND NONE OF US OWN THE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE. AND SO UNTIL YOU INCLUDE THOSE PEOPLE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WRONG WITH SOME OTHER BOARDS WE'VE DONE IS WE STARTED DOING THINGS AND WE KIND OF LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAYS WE'RE SETTING THE VISION FOR ONE STREET OR TWO STREETS. AND REALLY AS THE CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE MORE UP HIGH GENERAL RULES TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. I THINK WE GOT TO HAVE THEIR VOICE, OTHERWISE WE'LL MEET. AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE'LL COME BACK AROUND AND MEET WITH THEM AND THEY MAY TELL US WE HIT A HOME RUN OR THEY MAY LOOK AT IT AND GO, YOU GUYS ARE WAY OFF BASE. WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS ABC. AND YOU'RE GOING, I HAD NO IDEA. UM, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH NOT THAT STAFF CAN'T COME. NOT THAT THEY CAN'T BE INVITED AND NOT THAT DDC CAN'T BE INVITED AND ALMOST RATHER TO FLIP IT AND GO IT'S WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE BUILDING, THE LAND OWNERS, AND THEN STAFF IS THE CITY MANAGERS MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVING COME IN ON A SATURDAY, OR IF THEY IMMEDIATELY WANT MEET FRIDAY NIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WANT TO MEET BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL BUSY, BUT I'D RATHER INVITE IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND SAID AND TYPICAL WORKSHOP AND PUBLIC HOMES, THE PUBLIC'S NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. THEY'RE JUST THERE TO LISTEN TO US TALK, AND THIS SHOULD BE MORE OF US LISTENING TO THEM TALK, UM, AND THEN THEM DOING IT. SO I'D LIKE TO TRY THAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, AT LEAST WE JUST WASTED OUR, YOU KNOW, SEVEN OF OUR TIME AND A BUSINESS PEOPLE, THEY WILL LOOK AT IT AS A WASTE, WHEREAS WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO THE CITY EDC. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF WORK SESSION. CAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT A VISION, BUT NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT THE VISION IS AND ULTIMATELY WE APPROVE THE VISION. SO IT NEEDS SOME SORT OF CONVERSATION. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. YOU MEAN LIKE A CONTINUATION OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE GOING FURTHER, LIKE THE NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE HAD RECOMMENDED ANYWAY, WAS THE NEXT STEPS OF IT. CAN YOU PLEASE LET US TAKE? YEAH. YEAH. SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS BEING ANSWERED WHEN WE GET THE COMP 40 BACK AND THE PLAN FOR THAT, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO DRIVE THE VISION SHORT TERM EVEN. RIGHT. SO ARE WE JUST DUPLICATING? I THINK SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. OKAY. NO. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ITEM? ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO EXECUTIVE SESSION [12. EXECUTIVE SESSION] BEFORE I READ EVERYTHING, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS 12, SIX, AND 12 SEVEN TO THE PUBLIC AND OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT SIX MONTHS. SO I'M SIX AND 12 SEVEN. SO I'LL, I'LL DO THIS. I MAKE A MOTION TO PULL ITEMS 12, SIX, AND 12 SEVEN OUT FROM EXECUTIVE AND HAVE DISCUSSION IN. HELLO. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IS THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIOR TO DISCUSSING PUBLIC? WELL, THE, UM, ITEMS THEMSELVES ARE JUST, UM, CONSIDERING WHETHER TO WAIVE ANY, UM, ATTORNEY, CLIENT PRIVILEGES IN RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC, THOSE REPORTS. AND, UM, THE DISCUSSION WILL JUST REVOLVE AROUND IF THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING YOU WOULD WANT TO REDACT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LEGAL QUESTION THAT YOU DO HAVE THE LAST TIME LEGAL REP ASKED US TO GO IN THE BACK. WE TOOK A BOAT INSIDE, DO IT OUT FRONT. AND SO I'M CONTINUING THAT PROCESS. I BELIEVE GEORGE WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT RECOMMENDED I GO TO THE BACK. SO IN CONTINUING THAT, THAT NEW PRECEDENT, I FIGURED THIS ONE HERE WOULD BE GEORGE RECOMMENDED TO GO TO THE BACK. NOW, LET ME JUST MAKE IT CLEAR. GEORGE IS NOT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY. NOPE. AND WHAT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY IS TELLING YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING IS WHETHER TO RELEASE THE FULL REPORT AS IT IS, OR WHETHER THREE BACKS, CERTAIN ITEMS. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, YOU CAN EITHER ASK THEM IN A PUBLIC OR YOU CAN ASK THEM IN THE BACK. IT'S THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, ON BEHALF OF ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS, I FELT COMPELLED TO, UM, IF I COULD, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T YET MADE THE, THERE HADN'T BEEN A SECOND EVEN HAD THE DISCUSSION OUT FRONT. SO FIRST IF THERE'S NO SECOND, [02:15:01] IT CAN DIE. IF THERE IS A SECOND, THEN WE CAN HAVE A VOTE TO KEEP IT OUT HERE, GO IN BACK. WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS IT AFTER WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND DISCUSS IT CORRECTLY. CORRECT? YEAH. 13, SIX AND SEVEN. I HEARD A SECOND. RIGHT. DID I? OKAY, SO THAT'S, I THINK I HAVE A DUTY AS YOUR LITIGATION COUNSEL IN KATE, THE 12.6 HAS CERTAIN RISKS RELATED TO THE JONES VS. CITY OF AUTO CASE AND 12.7 HAS CERTAIN RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH, BUT THE LONG, UH, LONGHORN CASE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, MCGUINNESS LOCKRIDGE, UM, LEGAL MALPRACTICE CASES PENDING, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH REGARD TO WHAT THOSE RISKS ARE, SO THAT YOU THEN ANY OTHER FACTUAL DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE IT IN OPEN SESSION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT FOR YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT IT IN OPEN SESSION. NOPE. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MOTION, HERE'S WHY I MAKE THIS MOTION. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN REPORTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FILED AND HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND SO IN MY MIND, UM, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO AND TO GO TO LITIGATION IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS, BUT THEY CAN ASK IN DISCOVERY FOR THE REPORTS AND THEY GET THE REPORTS UNREDACTED. I JUST USE THIS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT REDACTING, CERTAIN ITEMS IN THE PUBLIC, UM, MAINLY NAMES AND THAT'S IT. AND SO THE REST OF THE ACTION TO WHATEVER'S IN THERE TO ME, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, NO ONE CAN CHANGE HISTORY. AND THAT'S WHY I JUST ASSUME HOW THE DISCUSSION OUT HERE KNOWING I'M MAY MAKE GEORGE'S JOB HARDER, THESE JOB HARDER, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, MR. MAYOR, IF I, MY, UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO JUMP IN THIS AT ALL. I DO HAVE A REQUEST FROM MY TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. BECAUSE IF THEY TAKE INFORMATION, I WOULD JUST, THE MOTION, A MOTION IS WHETHER TO DISCUSS IS IN THE OPEN. NOW, IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE OPEN AT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY FEELS IT CAN'T BE DISCUSSED IN THE OPEN. I WILL ADVISE YOU IMMEDIATELY, AS YOU WILL KNOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE'S GOING TO SAY. HOW CAN I, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, EMPLOYEE AND FORMER EMPLOYEES NAMES IN THESE REPORTS, MY RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER BACK THERE OR IN THE OPEN, IT'S GOING TO BE TO REDACT THOSE AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DID IN THE LETTER THAT WAS RELEASED. SO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WEREN'T TAKEN FOR THE PRIOR LETTER THAT WAS RELEASED. NO, IT WAS NOT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS VERY INAPPROPRIATE AND UNPROFESSIONAL FOR THE CITY TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN WITH CURRENT STAFF MEMBERS, STILL BEING HERE, NOT FREE FOR CITY LEGAL TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN WITH CURRENT STAFF MEMBERS THAT WE DID NOT PROTECT BY REDACTING THAT BEFORE IT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THE WAY IT DID. SO HOLD ON, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE ITEM. OKAY. WE KEEP DISCUSSING THE ITEM. THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM. THE DISCUSSION SHOULD ONLY BE CENTERED ON, DO WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS IN THE PUBLIC OR IN THE BAG? I'M JUST KEEP GETTING OFF SUBJECT. SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION DID HE HAD ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE DISCUSS THIS IN A PUBLIC OR IN THE BACK? OKAY. THINK THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW THIS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING VERY MUCH STRONGLY TOLD THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY PUT THE CITY IN A, IN A BAD PLACE IN TO POTENTIAL LAWSUITS. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS BAD CHOICE FOR THE CITY. YOU'VE HAD TO PUT US IN ANY KIND OF IMPLICATION. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF WHIPLASH OF WHEN WE LISTENED TO TOWNSVILLE. UM, AS FAR AS ATTORNEYS GO AND WHEN WE DON'T. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY ANY PRECEDENT THAT IT HAS BEEN SET BECAUSE IT KIND OF GOES FOR THE, WHAT THE ATTORNEYS WANT. AND THEN SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, WELL, THEY ADVISE US, WE ACTUALLY LIKE THE DECISIONS. I KNOW FLASH FROM WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT. ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT AND SORT OF MINE. YEAH. THIS IS FOR AN I VOTE IS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC. A NAVY BOAT IS TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. NO, THAT'S AN NUMBER HOLLAND. MAYOR PUT SOME THORTON. REMEMBER GORD, I'M SORRY. YOU SIT IN A MITCH SNYDER. ALSO REMEMBER VILLA REAL SALVO. I WAS A MEMBER SAID, NO. ALL RIGHT. MOTION FAILS. THERE'S TWO TO FIVE. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF READING TO DO ONE OR TWO EXECUTIVES. THEY HEAR SOMETHING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU EXECUTIVE SESSION? WE HAVE ITEM 12, ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5, 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 5 5 1 DASH 0 8 7 AND 5 5 1 0 7 2 REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN AND AROUND THE MEGA SITE AND CONSIDERATION AND CONVEYANCE OF ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENTS CONTAIN OPTION TO PURCHASE REAL PROPERTY AGREEMENTS TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I 12 TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 501.071 IN CONNECTION WITH LONGHORN TITLE V PRESTON HOLLOW CORPORATION, LLC AT ALL. AND HE DIDN'T LAMSON COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PRECEDENT HOLLER, COUPLE LLC V NEVINE ASSET MANAGEMENT, LLC [02:20:01] PENDING IN THE US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. IN CONNECTION WITH NON-PARTY DISCOVERY MATTERS. I HAVE ALL THREE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, $1 0 7, 1 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS, ITEM 12, FOUR RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE RELATING TO THE AMENDED AND RESTATED UTILITY SERVICE AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HOW-TO TEXAS AND JONO WATER SPECIALTY. I'M SORRY, SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT ITEM 12, FIVE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 0 7 1 RELATING TO AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN RELATION TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH OTHER ENTITIES, ITEM 12, SIX RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO WAVING THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC WITH CERTAIN REDUCTIONS. THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY SHEILA GLADSTONE AND A CITY OF HUDDLE INTO PROPORT. THE CITY MANAGER MISCONDUCT IN 2019 ITEM TOLD SEVEN RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TOUCH THIS LOCAL GUARD CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO WAVING THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC WITH CERTAIN REDACTIONS. THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY JUDY OSBORNE AND MCGUINNESS LOCKRIDGE BRIDGE INTO PURPORTED CITY MAJOR MISCONDUCT IN 2017. AND FINALLY, ITEM 12, RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS AND THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION. THE TIME IS NINE 40 AND WILL WE BE GOING UPSTAIRS OR IN UPSTAIRS? ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. IT'S 1207. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION ELECTION WAS TAKEN NEXT. [14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] WE'LL MOVE ON IF IT'S OKAY. I'LL RECALL. ITEM NINE, SIX CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER OUR DASH 2022 DASH 0 2 3. ACCEPTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION, SECTION FIVE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I HAD GOTTEN A REPORT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT CONCERNING, UM, ALL OF THIS RATES IN THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION, UH, PHASES ONE AND TWO, UH, STILL CONTINUE TO FAIL. THE DEVELOPER AND CONTRACTOR DID NOT COME AND REPAIR THOSE ROADS AS REQUESTED IN THE RESOLUTION AT A COUPLE OF PROVED, UH, IN APPROVING PHASE THREE PHASE THREE ROADS HAVE SOME MINIMAL MATERIAL, BUT AS, UM, THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED, BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN BETTER CONSTRUCTIVE AND NOT FLAWED LIKE PHASES ONE AND TWO, BUT, UH, SECTION FOUR HAS NOT HELD UP, UM, AND HAS NOT BEEN ACCEPTED. AND, UM, IT'S DUE TO OTHER REASONS MAY NOT BE BECAUSE AT THE TIME, UM, PHASE FOUR AND PHASE FIVE WERE, UM, BEING CONSTRUCTED, THEY PUT MORE, UM, SUB-GRADE AND ASPHALT ON THE ROADS TO MAKE SURE THEY WOULDN'T FAIL. SO BEFORE MY RECOMMENDATION, BEFORE YOU CONSIDER ACCEPTING PHASE FIVE ROADS THAT YOU DO ADDITIONAL FOR TESTING AND THE DEVELOPER HAD GIVEN YOU A REPORT BY, UM, SECOND, UH, UH, GEO-TECH COMPANY, ECS, SOUTHWEST THAT, UH, RECOMMENDS THIS ADDITIONAL BOARD TESTING, JUST SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU ACCEPT PHASE FIVE, THAT THE ROADS WON'T HAVE THESE SAME FAILURES IN THE PREVIOUS PHASES. THEY'VE MOVED ON THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD AN AMENDMENT THAT THE BUILDER PAY FOR THE TESTING, THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER. YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON YOUR MOTION. SO YOU DON'T WANT THE GEO-TECH COMPANY TO THE TESTING YOU WANT. WE WANT GEO TECH THAT YOU JUST WANT DEVELOPER TO PAY GEO-TECH RECORDS. YES. I WANT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THE GEO-TECH BORING AS OUTLINED IN THE GEO-TECH REPORT. YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE SAME COMPANY OR THE SAME GEO-TECH COMPANY. YES MA'AM. IS THERE A SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR SHUTTER? SECOND SECOND BY THAT COUNCIL GORDON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? VERY NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. THAT WAS A MEMBER KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON, GORDON. AND YOUR SNYDER. HOW SOME MEMBER VILLA SALVO. CAUSE NUMBER SEVEN, I MOTION PASSED THE SEVEN ZERO. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. IF I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT, WE'RE ON TO 13 ONE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANYTHING. DO I NEED TO READ IT? UM, NO, THERE'S NO ACTION ON A 13, 1 13 [02:25:01] TO 13, THREE. OKAY. 13 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE RELATING TO THE AMENDED AND RESTATED UTILITY SERVICE AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HEDO TEXAS AND JONAH WATER, SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT. SO MAYOR, I MOVED TO RATIFY THE JUNE 18TH AGREEMENT WITH, UM, JONAH WATER. AND IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE NEEDED TO ADD TO THAT RATIFY THE AGREEMENT AND, AND PUT THAT RATIFICATION IN A RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY DRAFTED TO AUTHORIZE THE INTERIM, UH, CITY MANAGER TO, UM, EXECUTE, TAKE TO, UH, AS EVIDENCE OF THE RATIFICATION AND BRING BACK ANY AMENDMENTS THAT MAY BE NECESSARY. THAT, THAT RESOLUTION THAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU. GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR TO RATIFY THE AMENDED RESTATED UTILITY SERVICE AGREEMENT DATED JUNE 18TH, 2018. AND FOR THIS ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER TO ALSO BRING BACK ANY AMENDMENTS THAT HE MAY DEEM NECESSARY. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER. VILLEREAL SALVO A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. ERIE, NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. HI. I WAS A NUMBER OF WARDEN THAT WAS NUMBER HOLLAND THOUSAND MEMBER SAID, HI, HOW'S THE NUMBER KENZIE BY MAYOR SCHNEIDER MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. JUST WANT TO, JOHN IS WATCHING. I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR PATIENCE WHILE WE FIGURE THAT OUT. ITEM 13, FIVE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO AUTHORIZING CITY STAFF TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY IN RELATION TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH OTHER ENTITIES, MAYBE THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT ONE. UM, I MOTION TO ALLOW, UM, THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS DESIGNEES TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY BY CUSTOMER MCKINSEY TO HAVE A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, CAN I SAY A PERUVIAN 13, FIVE AS PRESENTED, BUT INSTEAD OF CITY STAFF, IT'S INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND THIS DESIGNATED THAT'S GREAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE I MEMBER HOLLAND, I MAY OR PRETEND THORNTON NELSON NUMBER BORDEN, SCHNEIDER, WHO WAS A MEMBER OF THE REAL SOLO. SOME NUMBER SAID I SHOULD PASS THIS SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. WE HAVE ITEM 13, SIX CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO WAVING THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASING THE PUBLIC WITH CERTAIN REDACTIONS. THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY SHEILA GLADSTONE AND THE CITY OF HADOW AND PURPORTED CITY MANAGER MISCONDUCT IN 2019. SO MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO WAIVE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY SHEILA GLADSTONE AND THE CITY OF PEDO INTO REPORTED CITY MANAGER MISCONDUCT IN 2019, REDACTING THE NAMES, TITLES, AND OTHER IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OF ALL CURRENT AND FORMER CITY EMPLOYEES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FORMER CITY MANAGER OTIS JOBS JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR THIS INFORMATION. SO IT WOULD BE COMING OUT WHETHER WE TAKE THIS SECTION OR NOT. WELL, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST WOULD REQUIRE US TO WRITE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, LIKE WE DID BEFORE TO SEE WHAT WOULD, UM, BE CONSISTENT AND BE REDACTED. AND THE MOTION IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT ATTORNEY GENERAL RULINGS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. RIGHT? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT. UM, UM, THIS IS A HARD DECISION AND, UM, I JUST, MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL THE VICTIMS AND THOSE VIEW THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WENT THROUGH THIS. IT WAS UNFAIR AND I JUST HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T CAUSE ANY DISTRESS IN YOUR LIFE, UM, BY US MAKING THE DECISION TO RELEASE THESE DOCUMENTS. BUT I DO THINK IT'LL ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND, UH, MAYBE HELP ALLEVIATE, UM, SOME OF THE STRESSES THAT HAVE BEEN HANGING, HANGING OVER THE CITY OR [02:30:01] FOR SEVERAL YEARS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, I ALSO REMEMBER VILLA ROSALBA NEAR SNYDER. THAT WAS A MEMBER OF GORDON MAY HAVE WRITTEN THORNTON. I REMEMBER HOLLAND I COUNCIL NUMBER KINSEY, AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ACTUALLY WE HAVE ITEM 13, SEVEN CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO MATING THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC WITH CERTAIN REDUCTIONS. THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY JUDY OSBORNE. AND AGAIN, IT'S LOCKRIDGE AND DO PURPORTED CITY MANAGER MISCONDUCT IN 2017. I CAN DO THIS ONE AGAIN. THINK SO. A MAYOR, I MOVED TO WAIVE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, THE RESULTS OF THE TWO INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY JUDY OSBORNE AND THE GUINNESS LOCK BRIDGE INTO PURPORTED CITY MANAGER MISCONDUCT IN 2017, REDACTING THE NAMES, TITLES, AND OTHER IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OF CURRENT AND FORMER CITY EMPLOYEES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FORMER CITY MANAGER, OLDEST JUMPS MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MCKINSEY. IT SHOULD BE NOTED LIKE THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR THIS INFORMATION. AND LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, UM, IT'S JUST RELATION, I GUESS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. I NEAR SNYDER. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE RUSS ELBOW THAT WAS REMEMBER SETTING. I NEVER PUT 10 THORTON GORDON PLUS DRIFT IS THAT SEVEN THANKS. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13, EIGHT CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT THAT WE ALREADY DID THAT. SO BEFORE WE GO, WHAT DO YOU DO THAT THERE'S NO ACTION NECESSARY, RIGHT? NO ACTION. NINE SIX. ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, JUST A COUPLE OF AGENDA ITEMS, I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER IF SOMEONE COULD JUST SECOND, UM, AN EMAIL, IF YOU WANT. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE AT THE NEXT MEETING, OR MAYBE THE MEETING AFTER THAT, UM, A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACCEPTANCE AND ACTION ON A RESOLUTION. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT I GOT TO SAY THIS, BUT IT DEALS WITH ACKNOWLEDGING THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN THE CITY OVER THE PERIOD OF 2017 TO I'M GOING TO SAY NOW AND HOW THEY WERE AND HOW THOSE ISSUES WERE ISSUES WERE HANDLED. AND ISAAC, I CAN TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN WRONG AND UM, HOW WE HANDLE THEM AS A CITY, NOT NECESSARILY COUNCIL, BUT AS A CITY, I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE. SO AN ITEM ON THAT, AN ITEM TO AN AGENDA ITEM THAT, UM, WE WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WE UNDERGO A SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING, BOTH AS A CITY STAFF AND AS A CITY COUNCIL. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TRAINING DONE BY JUNE 1ST, AN ITEM FOR THAT. AND THAT WAS FOR WHO WAS CITY COUNCIL AND ALL STAFF. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, AND THESE ARE REQUESTS MADE BY A VICTIMS. THE LAST ONE IS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THIS IN ORDER TO SPEND ORDINANCE TEMPORARILY BEFORE A CHARTER AMENDMENT, BUT, UM, SOME KIND OF ACTION TO WHERE, IF YOU'RE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU HEAR ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR SEXUAL ASSAULT, OR YOU SEE IT AND YOU DO NOTHING AND YOU DON'T REPORT IT, YOU CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AS A FORM OF MALFEASANCE OR WHATEVER THE WORDING HAS GOT TO BE BECAUSE WE HAD THAT REPORTED BEFORE AND PEOPLE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. THEN YOU CAN BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE. YOU'RE FOUND TO HAVE NOT REPORTED SOMETHING AS SERIOUS AS THAT. SO THOSE THREE ITEMS I CAN GIVE YOU MORE. UM, ISAAC GOT IT IN A CLEAN BITE WISHES A SECOND. UM, PLEASE JUST LET THE CITY MANAGER KNOW IF NOT IN THAT VEIN, I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE REQUEST. YES, SIR. FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING AND INFORM US ON WHAT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE EMPLOYEES TO REPORT WORKPLACE HARASSMENT. AND IF THERE ARE SUFFICIENT PROCEDURES TO PROTECT THE EMPLOYEES REPORTING, UH, ANY INCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED AND WE HAVE ALL THE RIGHT THINGS IN PLACE TO ALLOW THAT PROCESS TO WORK THE WAY IT SHOULD YOU THINK IF WE PUT A DATE BY THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, SO YOU MADE YOUR TURN IT, THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THREE MEETINGS BECAUSE I KNOW THE APRIL 7TH IS LIKE THAT. SO WE'LL DO MAY. UM, THANK YOU. FIVE, FIVE. I'LL SECOND THAT, SO WE ALREADY GOT THAT ONE DONE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE ADJOURN? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL ADJOURN THIS [02:35:01] MEETING AT 12:23 AM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.