[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] [00:00:06] ALL RIGHT. AT 7:01, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE SESSION ORDER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, APRIL SEVEN, 2022. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON HERE. COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO HERE. COUNCILMEMBER GORDON HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY HERE. COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND HERE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER'S HERE. NEXT WILL BE LED AN INVOCATION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. SHE'LL PLEASE. YOU JOIN ME IN PRAYER, OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY WHICH WE HAVE TO MEET TONIGHT IN A CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY WHICH WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN. THOSE OF US WHO ARE HERE IN THE DIOCESE TO SERVE, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE TRUST THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE PUT IN US AND AT THIS TIME IN OUR LIVES TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THIS GREAT CITY. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO WORK HERE AND THOSE THAT ARE THE EMPLOYEES HERE THAT ARE CARRYING OUT THE WORK OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO IMPROVE OUR CITY AND TO MAKE THIS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY THAT WE LIVE IN AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE ALL OF OURS TO PARTICIPATE IN GOVERNMENT, IN WHATEVER WAY THAT WE THAT WE ARE ABLE AND THAT WE ARE WILLING. WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS SPIRIT TO BLESS US TONIGHT, THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS. WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US WITH DISCERNMENT AND WITH PATIENCE, AND THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE CLEARLY THE THINGS THAT THAT WE DESIRE AND THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO VOTE OUR CONSCIENCES AND AND DO THE THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT. WE ARE MINDFUL OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO DON'T ENJOY THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY, WHO ARE STRUGGLING AND WHO ARE RAVAGED EITHER BY WAR OR OTHER ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. WE ARE MINDFUL OF THEM AND WE PRAY FOR THEM AS WELL. AND WE ASK FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF OUR SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS LOTTERY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS STATE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. [5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. CITY MANAGER TURNER. YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR. AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME DISRUPTIONS IN OUR INTERNET SERVICES DUE TO A CUT IN THE CABLE LINE. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BROADCAST, ALTHOUGH WE WILL BE ABLE TO RECORD AND AIR IT LATER. WE ALSO HAVE NO EMAIL, WHICH ACTUALLY MAY BE A BLESSING IN SOME WAYS. JUST A REMINDER FOR THOSE OF US WHO ABSOLUTELY LOVE FOOD, HUDDLE, CRAWFISH FESTIVAL, APRIL THE NINTH IN DOWNTOWN HUDDLE, WE HAVE A CIVILITY TRAINING HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON APRIL THE 13TH. YOU MUST REGISTER TO BE A PART OF THAT. IT GOES FROM 9:00 TO 1:00, AND ON APRIL THE 15TH AND APRIL THE 16TH, THE HUDDLE, POP UP, POP UP IS IN DOWNTOWN HUDDLE. FOR THOSE WHO LOVE TO DO EASTER EGG HUNTS AND I HAVE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY, OUR NEWEST EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO IS IN THE CHAMBERS. SHE COMES TO US FROM PREVIOUSLY BEING CITY CLERK IN SAN JACINTO, CALIFORNIA. SHE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN BUSINESS FROM WALDEN UNIVERSITY. SHE HAS SEVERAL CITY EXCUSE ME, MUNICIPAL CLERK CERTIFICATIONS IN CALIFORNIA AND NATIONALLY. AND SHE IS WORKING ON HER MUNICIPAL CLERK CERTIFICATION FOR FOR HUDDLE FOR TEXAS. WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT ANGELA WALTON IS OUR NEW CITY SECRETARY. AND WELCOME TO TEAM HUDDLE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AWESOME. WELCOME, ANGELA. WE'RE EXCITED. IT'S PERMANENT. THANK YOU. DOUBLE CLICK AND YOU GET THE IDEA. JUST IN CASE YOU NEED IT. DON'T GO DOWN THERE. WE JUST. CAN. GOT A COUPLE OF PROCLAMATIONS. THANK YOU. SO I CALL IT THE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY. [6.1. National Public Safety Telecommunicator Week — April 10 through 16] CHIEF STEWART. SORRY. HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD, GOOD. LOT UP, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TONIGHT TO RECOGNIZE [00:05:01] NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATOR WEEK. AND YOU SEE, I'VE GOT A FEW FRIENDS WITH ME HERE FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OUR DISPATCH CENTER. YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, WORKING WITH DISPATCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIG DEAL TO ME. YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS, THEY HAVE SUCH A TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY DO SUCH A GOOD JOB UNDER UNDER VERY STRESSFUL CONDITIONS. IN FACT, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THEIR JOB IS MORE STRESSFUL THAN A POLICE OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS, THEY SERVE 14 VARIOUS ENTITIES THROUGHOUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE FULL AND PART TIME FIRE CONSTABLES, COUNTY AND DISTRICT ATTORNEY, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND EMS. LAST YEAR ALONE, OVER 397 CALLS, 337,000 CALLS CAME IN TO THEIR CENTER. 307,000 OF THOSE WERE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, OVER 50,000 FOR FIRE, AND ABOUT 39,000 FOR EMS. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE AMY SWANSEA COME UP. SHE'S AN OPERATIONS DIVISION MANAGER AND HAS BEEN WITH THEM FOR 24 YEARS NOW. WELCOME IF YOU ALL. EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME UP HERE. YEAH, EVERYBODY IS SERVING A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATIONS WEEK, APRIL 10TH TO THE 16TH, 2022, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. SO WHEREAS EMERGENCIES CAN OCCUR AT ANY TIME THAT REQUIRE POLICE, FIRE OR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. AND. WHEREAS, WHEN AN EMERGENCY OCCURS, THE PROMPT RESPONSE OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL PERSONNEL IS CRITICAL TO THE PROTECTION OF LIFE AND THE PRESERVATION OF PROPERTY. AND. WHEREAS, THE SAFETY OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IS DEPENDENT UPON THE QUALITY OF ACCURATE, ACCURATE OF INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM CITIZENS WHO CALL OUR WILLIAMSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER. AND. WHEREAS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS ARE THE FIRST AND MOST CRITICAL CONTACT OUR CITIZENS HAVE, OUR CITIZENS HAVE WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND. WHEREAS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS ARE THE SINGLE VITAL LINK FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS BY MONITORING THEIR ACTIVITIES, BY RADIO, PROVIDING THEM INFORMATION AND ENSURING THEIR SAFETY. AND. WHEREAS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS OF THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY HAVE CONTRIBUTED SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE APPREHENSION OF CRIMINALS, SUPPRESSION OF FIRES AND TREATMENT OF PATIENTS. AND. WHEREAS, EACH OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS HAVE EXHIBITED COMPASSION, UNDERSTANDING AND PROFESSIONALISM DURING THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR JOB IN THE PAST YEAR. THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY OF HUTTO AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY DECLARED THE WEEK OF APRIL 10TH TO 16TH 2022 TO BE NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATIONS WEEK IN HONOR OF OUR MEN AND WOMEN WHOSE DILIGENCE AND PROFESSIONALISM KEEP OUR COUNTRY CITIZENS AND FIRST RESPONDERS SAFE, WITNESSED BY MY HAND AND A SEAL OF THE CITY OF HUTTO THE SEVENTH DAY OF APRIL 20, 22. ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO. IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT YOU ALL ARE UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY CALL 911 AND AND REALIZE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING ELSE, CHIEF? NO, SIR. NO. ALL RIGHT. YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET IT BACK HERE? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ONE OTHER PROCLAMATION. [6.2. Sexual Assault Awareness Month - April 2022] I MAYOR MIKE SNYDER, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS A MAYOR OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 2022 AS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH. WHEREAS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IS A TIME TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE PREVALENCE OF THE WIDESPREAD, DEVASTATING ABUSE OF POWER ONE THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE OF EVERY AGE RACE, SEX, GENDER IDENTITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUND AND RELIGION. AND. RAZ RAPE, SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT ARE HARMFUL WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, [00:10:03] WITH ONE IN FIVE WOMEN AND ONE IN 67 MEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE. AND. WHEREAS, CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE PREVENTION MUST BE A PRIORITY TO CONFRONT THE REALITY THAT ONE IN SIX LITTLE BOYS AND ONE IN FOUR LITTLE GIRLS WILL EXPERIENCE SEXUAL ASSAULT BEFORE TURNING 18 YEARS OF AGE. AND. WHEREAS, ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES, ONE IN FIVE WOMEN AND ONE IN 16 MEN ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED DURING THEIR COLLEGE YEARS. AND. WHEREAS, 2022 MARKS THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH, AND THIS YEAR'S CAMPAIGN THEME BEING, WE CAN BUILD SAFE ONLINE SPACES TOGETHER JOINTLY. WE CAN PUBLICLY SUPPORT VICTIMS, SHARE EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT ASSAULT AND ONLINE HARASSMENT, AND TAKE A STRONG STANCE AGAINST VICTIM BLAMING COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN ONLINE SPACES. NOW, THEREFORE, I MIKE SNYDER, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 2022 AS SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WE JOIN FREEDOM HOUSE AS A HELP SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT BY SUPPORTING THE ERADICATION OF SEXUAL ASSAULT THROUGH IMPROVING VICTIM SAFETY AND HOLDING PERPETRATORS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AGAINST MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND TESTIMONY WHERE I'VE WITNESSED MY HAND AND ASSAIL THE CITY ON THE SEVENTH DAY OF APRIL 2022. I THINK YOU HAVE TO SIGN THAT ONE. OKAY. NEXT UP BRINGS US TO CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS. COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL SEVEN ONE GENERAL COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK ALL OUR CLAUSSEN DISPOSAL FOR PROVIDING DUMPSTERS TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS OUT AFTER THE RECENT STORM AND TORNADO, AND THANK THEM FOR WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, TO EMPTY THE DUMPSTERS AND REPLACE THEM REPEATEDLY AND REALLY HELP PEOPLE OUT WHO WERE NEEDING A PLACE TO GET RID OF THEIR DEBRIS SAVED A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS SOME MONEY IN THAT PROCESS AND DIDN'T COST THE CITY ANYTHING. IT WAS VERY GENEROUS OF THEM AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT HUTTO DURING THE STORMS ON MARCH 24TH WERE NOT HIT AS MAJORLY AS ROUND ROCK WAS. HOWEVER, THERE WAS A LOT OF DAMAGE TO HOMES ALONG THE PATH OF THE TORNADO. AND TALKING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER THE NIGHT OF THE TORNADOES AND THEN THE NEXT DAY, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF HIM. AND MR. BRIAN BORCHERS, WHO'S A COMMUNITY MEMBER, WORKING PRETTY DILIGENTLY AND QUICKLY TO ESTABLISH HUTTO CARES. SO FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAD DAMAGE TO YOUR HOME, SHINGLES, ROOFS, THE FENCE LINES, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AND ARE NEEDING HELP FINANCIALLY. HUD CARES HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND IS TAKING APPLICATIONS IN A FEW WEEKS. THIS IS BEING THANKFULLY. PUT TOGETHER THROUGH ROUND ROCK CARES. THEY'RE ASSISTING US THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THE BACK END. BUT ALL THE MONEY IS BEING RAISED FOR HUTTO SPECIFICALLY. AND SO I'M JUST VERY THANKFUL TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER FOR SEEING A NEED FOR THAT AND GETTING IT OFF THE GROUND FOR US. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD OUR FIRST FARMERS MARKET THIS PAST WEDNESDAY YESTERDAY. IT WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL. FIRST FARMERS MARKET OUT THERE WITH FARMER GEORGE HOSTING IT. IT'LL BE EVERY WEDNESDAY. THERE WERE A LOT OF VENDORS FROM ALL OVER THE REGION AND IT WAS A REALLY NICE TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER. BUY THINGS, SELL THINGS AND JUST ENJOY DOWNTOWN. HUTTO. Q THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT CITY MANAGER TURNER ALREADY SAID ABOUT THE CRAWFISH FESTIVAL THE SATURDAY. 10 TO 6. WE SOLD OUT EARLY LAST YEAR AND IT'S A GREAT EVENT. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE. THAT WAS KIND OF THE FIRST EVENT, KIND OF AFTER THE BIG COVID SPIKE THAT I REMEMBER GOING TO. SO I EXPECT THE CROWD TO BE BIGGER. SO I HOPE THAT THE CHAMBER IS READY AND I HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? [00:15:03] YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I ENJOYED GOING OUT TO THE FARMERS MARKET YESTERDAY. I WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT I GOT SOME GREAT SPINACH AND SOME GREAT ONIONS. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE THE ASPARAGUS, BUT NOW I KNOW I NEED TO GET OFF EARLIER TO GET DOWN THERE EARLIER TO GET THAT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS, MAYOR, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE AGENDA. IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT COMING UP? THAT'S FINE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN UPDATE FROM STAFF ON THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE. ASK THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME TO GO AHEAD AND SELL IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS AT THIS TIME. IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE PROBABLY DEPRECIATING AS WE'VE SAT AND WAITED ON THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE AN UPDATE ON THE SENIOR CENTER THAT WE WERE WORKING ON. MAYOR, I THINK YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR CAMPAIGN LETTER THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A SENIOR CENTER, SO I'D LIKE THE COUNCIL TO BE BRIEFED ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. AND I THINK. THE OTHER THING. AND I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. THE SPEED LIMIT THERE ON SCHMITT. I KNOW WE WANT TO DO A STUDY ALL THE WAY UP TO LINEAR LOOP AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY HAS CONTROL OVER THAT AREA IN FRONT OF LOWE'S AND HOME DEPOT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT SPEED LIMIT. MAYBE THAT'S SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IN THE SHORT TERM BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT STUDY ALL THE WAY TO LIMMER SO WE CAN MAKE THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFE FOR THOSE COMING IN SOUTHBOUND INTO TOWN AND FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET FROM LOST TO HOME DEPOT. THANK YOU. REMINDED ME OF AN ITEM I'D LIKE TO FORGOT TO ASK ABOUT. ITEM ON IMPACT FEES, PLEASE, TO GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHEN THAT FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH RECENT DEVELOPMENTS ARE UNDER THAT AND WHICH DEVELOPMENTS ARE STILL UNDER THE OLD FEE SCHEDULE. AND I SPOKE WITH CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS EARLIER. SO HE'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS AFTERNOON AT 4:00, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL MET JUST OFF E STREET. THERE'S SOME PICTURES UP HERE. WE HAD A PROCLAMATION FOR APRIL BEING CHILD ABUSE AWARENESS MONTH. THERE'LL BE A PINWHEEL DISPLAY. EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO GO DOWN, BRING THEIR CHILDREN, SEE THE DISPLAY, TAKE A PINWHEEL, KIND OF ENJOY THE WEATHER. THAT'D BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY THIS WEEKEND WITH THE CRAWFISH FESTIVAL FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO SEE OUR INVOLVEMENT. AN IMPORTANT AWARENESS ITEM SUCH AS THIS. SIR. ANY OTHER PICTURES OR. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. THAT'S IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN TO CITY COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. [7. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS] HAVE ANY AIDES ON REPORTS FROM MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT, GARY? NONE. I DID HAVE ONE FOR THE EDC WE'VE LATELY BEEN MEETING. I THINK IT FEELS LIKE ALMOST EVERY 72 HOURS WE'RE MEETING. WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN THE CITY. WE'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT SOME MORE OF THIS AS IT'S COMING UP. SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE. I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, OUR PROJECT RD PROJECT E PROJECT, ACROPOLIS PIPELINE PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MEGA SITE. A DOWNTOWN TOURISM INCENTIVE. AND AS THESE PROJECTS BECOME MORE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM THEN THINGS THAT YOU HEAR IN THE PUBLIC. MOST OF THAT IS RUMORS YOU'LL KNOW BECAUSE WHEN IT'S TRUE, BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE WE'RE EXCITED. WE ALSO HAD OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, BOB FARLEY. THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BACK AT WHAT THEY CALL AN ICC EVENT. IT'S CHANGED THE NAMES. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT STANDS FOR. INNOVATING COMMERCE. SERVING COMMUNITIES USED TO BE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF SHOPPING CENTERS. SO BOB WENT TO THAT IN DALLAS, THE RED RIVER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FINDING AND IT WAS GREAT, WAS ACTUALLY A GREAT MEETING LAST NIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO WAS THERE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP. WE MET WITH SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT RETAIL CONSULTING GROUPS. [00:20:06] OUR BIG PUSH IS TO BRING RETAIL INTO THE CITY, AND IDC'S REALLY TAKEN A PUSH TO GET THIS DONE. BOB REPORTED. THERE'S ALREADY THREE MAKING PLANS TO COME TO HUDDLE IN THE NEXT WEEK, WHETHER IT BE SPECIAL TO SPECIALTY RETAILERS, ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANTS. SO THERE'S THE OLD ADAGE THAT COMMERCIAL FOLLOWS ROOFTOPS. WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WE HAVE A TON OF ROOFTOPS AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THE COMMERCIAL START TO COME. SO THERE'D BE MORE OF THOSE COME COME UP IN FRONT OF US. WE ALSO HAD ONE LAST ISSUE, A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGAL ISSUE. I THINK THE TERM IS THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME SELF DEALING BY A BANK THAT WE AS AN EDC HAD HIRED FOR BUSINESS LOANS. AND SO WE HAD A BIG MEETING ON THAT. A LOT OF IT FOR THE FIRST TIME HAS BEEN PUBLIC. WE WERE TRYING TO GET RECORDS OUT OF BCCL AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THE RECORDS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT. SO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT, BUT THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP TO EDC. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHANCES OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, I INVITE YOU TO GO TO AN EDC MEETING. WOULD BE A LOT OF TIME IN THE BACK, BUT WHEN YOU COME OUT, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS YOU'RE HEARING THE PROJECTS. WE'RE WORKING ON THE INCENTIVES. YOU'RE HEARING A VERY STRATEGIC APPROACH TO HOW WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THOSE TAX BASE, DIVERSIFY IT, BUT NOT DO IT AT A DETRIMENT TO THE CITY. SO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO GO TO AN EDC MEETING AND THEY'RE PUBLISHED THE SAME WAY THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE GO TO WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS ART ANDERSON. MR. ANDERSON, YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. WHEN YOU START, THE LIGHT WILL TURN GREEN. WHEN YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT TO GO TO YELLOW, AND THEN WHEN THE TIME'S UP, IT'LL TURN RED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ART ANDERSON, 2728 NORTH HARWOOD AND DALLAS, REPRESENTING BROOKLYN'S PARTNERS AS THE DEVELOPER OF THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION. KARI COBB, WHO'S HERE AND I WERE INFORMED LAST WEEK THAT THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE PHASE FIVE STREETS WOULD BE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT. THE PURPOSE OF MY PRESENTATION IS TO CORRECT WHAT I THINK IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORY OF THE STREETS IN THE SUBDIVISION PHASES WANTED TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY. THEY WERE BUILT AND THEY WERE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY. MAINTENANCE BOND FOR TWO YEARS WAS POSTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY. AFTER THAT, THE CITY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT PORTIONS OF THOSE STREETS, THE STREET PAVEMENTS. WHEN PHASE THREE CAME IN FOR ACCEPTANCE, THE CITY DIRECTED THE CONTRACTOR TO HAVE A GEOTECH REPORT PREPARED IN A CONSTRUCTION PAVEMENT CONSTRUCTION PLAN PRESENTED TO THE CITY ENGINEER. ALL OF THAT WAS DONE. THERE WERE MEETINGS BETWEEN THE CITY ENGINEER, THE GEOTECH, THE CONTRACTOR, AND BASICALLY A PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN THE CITY WENT RADIO SILENT. THERE WERE CRICKETS FOR MONTHS WHEN IT BECAME CLOSER TO THE MAY 20, 21 DEADLINE FOR THE MAINTENANCE BOND. OUR CLIENT, WHO'D BEEN SHUT OUT OF ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, WAS ASKED NOT TO ATTEND, MADE SEVERAL COURTESY INQUIRIES TO THE CITY. MOST OF THOSE BY EMAIL SAYING, BY THE WAY, YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS DEADLINE'S COMING UP. CRICKETS. NOT A WORD. CITY LED THAT MAINTENANCE BOND TIME PERIOD EXPIRE. NEVER RECEIVED A GOOD REASON AS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED. IT APPEARS TO US THAT AT THIS POINT, PHASE FIVE IS BEING HELD HOSTAGE BECAUSE OF CONCERN ABOUT PHASES ONE AND TWO. LEGALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT EACH PHASE STANDS ON ITS OWN. THE MERITS STAND ON ITS OWN. IN THIS CASE, FIVE PHASE FIVE, YOUR CITY STAFF, THE ENGINEERS ALL AGREE THAT THE STREET MAKES THAT THE STREETS MEET ALL CITY REQUIREMENTS, AND TWO SETS OF BORING TESTS WERE DONE AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES IN PHASE FIVE. A TOTAL OF TEN BOARDS. ALL TEN BOARDS MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, YET WE STILL CANNOT GET PHASE FIVE EXCEPT AT AN APPROVED BY THE CITY. WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO GO AHEAD AND PERFORM. IT HAS A MINISTERIAL OBLIGATION AT THIS POINT THAT IF IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY, IT NEEDS TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY. WE'RE ASKING THAT THE CITY GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT PHASE FIVE A.S.A.P. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FINAL PART. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN GET BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO EACH DAY THAT THIS ACCEPTANCE GETS PUT OFF DAMAGES OUR CLIENT AND I'VE ALREADY LET THE [00:25:03] CITY ATTORNEY KNOW THAT. SO THERE'S NO NOT NOT HIDING BEHIND THE BALL. THANK YOU. THANKS, SIR. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU ALL ARE ON THE AGENDA FOR ITEM 14 FOUR. WE'LL START AT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OH, THAT'S EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES, SIR. SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO 14 FOUR, THERE MAY BE A PUBLIC PART OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. CLEVER TOO. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU GOT SOMEBODY WAVING OUT THERE? OH, BONDS. YOU JUST WANT PUBLIC COMMENT ON BONDS OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT ITEM? OH, COME ON. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO NEXT WE HAVE JACKIE CORMIER. I SAY THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. READY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL. I WOULD LIKE TO USE MY TIME TONIGHT TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT COLLABORATION IN WORKING WITH OTHERS IS A GOOD THING. THAT WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKING FOR PARTNERS TO HELP US ACHIEVE THE GOALS ESTABLISHED BY OUR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, THIS NOTION SHOULD NEVER REPLACE THE IDEA THAT YOU ARE CHARGED WITH TO PROTECT THE CITIZEN TAXPAYER WITH DILIGENCE AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. RECENTLY, ACCUSATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST OUR CURRENT MAYOR, CLAIMING THAT HE HAS COST THE TAXPAYERS MILLIONS AND THAT HE HAS NOT REACHED OUT OR REFUSED TO MEET WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS WHO SEEK TO DO BUSINESS IN HUTTO. WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THIS? I ASK. IS THE MAYOR PUTTING THE RESIDENT TAXPAYER FIRST, OR IS HE BEING APPROACHED BY AN OUTSIDE INTEREST THAT DOESN'T WANT TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE? NO ONE CARES ABOUT AN ENDORSEMENT DURING ELECTION SEASON FROM ANY POLITICIAN OR GROUP OUTSIDE OF HUTTO IF THERE IS NO FOLLOW THROUGH ON PROMISES MADE TO VOTERS WITHIN SIGHT OF OUR CITY. IN 2018, VOTERS PASSED THREE BOND PROPOSITIONS PROPOSITION A, WHICH ALLOCATED 70 MILLION FOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION IN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, SPECIFICALLY FOR 1660. IN LIMMER, 1668, 79, 1660. AT FRONT STREET, 71% OF VOTERS PASSED PROPOSITION A. PROPOSITION B RECEIVED 70% OF VOTER APPROVAL AND DEDICATED FUNDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMUNICATION CENTER FOR HOW TO POLICE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES, INCLUDING FUNDING FOR PLANNING, DESIGNING, CONSTRUCTION, REPAIRING, REPLACING, EQUIPPING AND IMPROVING THE FACILITY. PROPOSITION C CALLED FOR $50 MILLION IN PARKS PROJECTS AND WAS PASSED BY VOTERS WITH A 61% APPROVAL. LATELY, THERE HAS BEEN CALLS FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MOVE ON TO FORGET THE PAST AND LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE. WELL, THAT SOUNDS WELL AND GOOD, AND WE WANT TO DO THAT, BUT NOT BEFORE WE HAVE HAD A DECENT EXPLANATION INTO WHY THIS HAPPENED. WHERE IS THE BOND MONEY THAT THE VOTERS AND I HAVE VOTED FOR? WHY ARE WE STILL HAVING PROBLEMS AT THESE INTERSECTIONS? WHERE ARE THE $50 MILLION IN PARK IMPROVEMENTS? I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PLAN FOR A POLICE COMMUNICATION FACILITY THAT WAS APPROVED FOUR YEARS AGO. WHY? I URGE YOU AS COUNCIL TO KEEP WORKING TOGETHER OR BY YOURSELF, MR. MAYOR, IF YOU MUST, TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. PLEASE KEEP FILING THE LAWSUITS. KEEP STANDING UP FOR THE TAXPAYER. PLEASE REALIZE THAT THE PRINCIPLE OF THINGS ARE STILL IMPORTANT TO THE MAJORITY OF US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. [9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] IF ITEMS 91929394955 AND NINE SIX, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEYS, SHOULD WE MOVE NINE SIX AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION AFTER WE HAVE A BRIEFING FROM YOU ON THIS? THEY THINK. THE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS PUT ON IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS, WE COULD SET IT ASIDE. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS ITEM, SO I DON'T. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YES, NO, I APPRECIATE IT. SO BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ACTION THAT WE COULD SHARE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IF THE IF THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NINE SIX. A SECOND. IF THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE POLLED, THEN WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT. 9192939495. SO MOVED A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON SECOND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS REVISED. ANY DISCUSSION ON A MOTION? [00:30:03] HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I. MAYOR SCHNEIDER, I. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. LISTEN PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM NINE SIX. [9.6. Consideration and possible action approving a Resolution of the City Council of the City Of Hutto, Texas authorizing the Kassab Law Firm to take all appropriate legal action to assert claims against McGinnis Lochridge, Partner Michael A. Shaunessy, Partner Bill Bingham, and others as necessary to recover damages resulting from their wrongdoing in the course of providing the City of Hutto with legal services; authorizing the Interim City Manager to enter into and execute the Joint Contingent Fee Engagement Agreement so that it may be submitted for approval by the Texas Attorney General’s Office. The public notice required under Texas Local Government Code Section 2254.1036 is attached hereto and incorporated by reference as Exhibit "A". (Legal)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION APPROVING A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, AUTHORIZING A KASSAB LAW FIRM TO TAKE ALL APPROPRIATE LEGAL ACTION TO ASSERT CLAIMS AGAINST MCGINNIS, LOCKRIDGE PARTNER MICHAEL A SHAUGHNESSY PARTNER BILL BINGHAM AND OTHERS AS NECESSARY TO RECOVER DAMAGES RESULTING FROM THEIR WRONGDOING. IN THE COURSE OF PROVIDING THE CITY OF HUTTO WITH LEGAL SERVICES, AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AND EXECUTE THE JOINT CONTINGENT FEE ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT. SO SO THAT IT MAY BE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL BY THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. THE PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIRED UNDER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 22541036 IS ATTACHED HERE TO IN A CORPORATE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE AS EXHIBIT A BEING. THE REASON I ASKED TO PULL THIS. I'LL JUST START WITH WHAT THE NOTES I HAVE. THERE WERE SOME BEEN DISCUSSION ON THE DAIS. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO GET INTO LITIGATION? WHY ARE WE SUING? WE NEED TO MOVE ON. AND SO I WANTED TO, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WHY I FEEL THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT, THAT AS A CITY COUNCIL, AS A CITY, WE TAKE A STAND ON THESE TWO PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR LAW FIRM. ONE OF THEM IS ON THE DATE OF. SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2017, OUR CITY MANAGER HAD BEEN IN OFFICE ROUGHLY MAYBE 1011 MONTHS OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME. WAS JUST BEFORE THEN. BY ALL ACCOUNTS WAS DOING GREAT, PROMOTED UP. AND THEN SHE BROUGHT UP CONCERNS AND WAS QUICKLY PUSHED OUT THE DOOR. SHE SENT A LETTER. HER ATTORNEY SENT A LETTER TO OUR ATTORNEYS, THE CITY ATTORNEYS, BINGHAM AND SHAUGHNESSY. AND I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT THE ONE ONE CONCERN THEY HAD WAS THE CITY MANAGER IS MAKING AGREEMENTS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL KNOWLEDGE IN EXCESS OF THE $50,000 ALLOWED BY THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. THIS IS IN 2017. THIS IS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. SHE HAD A CONCERN THAT CITY MANAGERS MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL KNOWLEDGE IN EXCESS OF THE $50,000 ALLOWED BY TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. AGAIN, 2017. THERE IS A CONCERN THE CITY MANAGER IS PAYING IN EXCESS OF COUNCIL APPROVED AMOUNTS. I MEAN, THIS COULD REALLY COULD HAVE COME OUT LAST WEEK AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME THING. THERE WAS A CONCERN SHE RAISED RAISED THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDED INCOMPLETE INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, CAUSING THEM TO AUTHORIZE A PURCHASE PRICE IN EXCESS OF FAIR MARKET VALUE. THAT WAS OUR WATER SYSTEM THAT WAS APPRAISED AT 43 MILLION, AND WE PURCHASED IT FOR 60 MILLION BECAUSE THE INFORMATION WAS HIDDEN FROM US. THERE WAS A CONCERN SHE BROUGHT UP THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS CREATING A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT BY DISCUSSING CONFIDENTIAL CONVERSATIONS THAT WAS HAD WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. AND THOSE CLAIMS WERE BY HER BROUGHT IN 2017. ME PERSONALLY THAT NEVER MADE IT TO A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. AND I HOPE THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEYS NOW, IF AN EX-EMPLOYEE EVER BRINGS CLAIMS LIKE THAT, WE AT LEAST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD THINK, SINCE THE CITY ATTORNEYS REPRESENT A CITY TO DISCUSS THESE TYPE OF ITEMS. IN THE BACK OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. AFTER THAT, MY CUSTOMER, GORE AND I, WERE ON THE COUNCIL TOGETHER. WE HAD A HUGE TO DO BECAUSE THEY WERE REFUSING TO GIVE US RECORDS UPON REQUEST, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. WE HAD A SAN ANTONIO MEETING WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT ITEMS WITH PERFECT GAME, AND I WAS TOLD BY THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME THAT NO AGREEMENTS HAD BEEN SIGNED. BUT BEFORE THEY DO GET SIGNED, THEY WILL COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. THAT WAS IN JUNE. IT TURNED OUT LATER THESE AGREEMENTS HAD ALREADY BEEN SIGNED, A DEAL HAD ALREADY BEEN INKED AND DONE IN MAY. BUT WE WERE BEING TOLD IN PUBLIC OUR CITY ATTORNEYS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE CITY, THEY SAT THERE QUIET AND THEY DID NOTHING. AND IN MY OPINION, IF YOU NO WRONGDOING AND YOU DO NOTHING, YOU'RE JUST AS GUILTY. ON JULY THREE, 2019, WE CAME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAD ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT DOCUMENTS BEING SIGNED. WE WERE ASSURED NO DOCUMENTS HAD BEEN SIGNED YET ON PERFECT GAME. AND SO THE ATTORNEYS AGAIN SAT QUIET WHILE UNBEKNOWNST TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE DEAL HAD ALREADY BEEN STRUCK, AS IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE THE BEST DEAL ALREADY DONE. THE CITY COUNCIL NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. [00:35:02] I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE. CHAPTER 116.011. IF YOU LOOK THAT UP, YOU CANNOT SETTLE WITH AN EMPLOYEE OR ANYBODY WITH AN AMOUNT OVER $30,000. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE HAD OVER 17 SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS MADE WITH EMPLOYEES, MANY OF THEM WOMEN, FOR NOT ALL THE REASONS WE KNOW AT THIS POINT, ALL DONE BEHIND THE BACKS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS WAS SIGNED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO HAS NO RIGHT TO PAY SOMEONE $47,000 TO BE QUIET AND GO AWAY. SO IN MY MIND, THEY ARE BREAKING THEIR FIDUCIARY DUTY. THEY'RE BREAKING WHATEVER LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES THEY HAVE. THEY'VE GIVEN ALL OF THAT UP. BASICALLY IT WAS HUSH MONEY. AND SO OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AT THAT TIME PARTICIPATED IN A HUSH MONEY SCHEME TO KEEP WHAT I WOULD CALL VICTIMS THAT WERE EMPLOYEES OF OUR CITY QUIET. THE LAST THING THAT CAME UP RECENTLY IS WHEN YOU DO AN AGREEMENT, A LEGAL AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENTS I SIGN AT THE END OF A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE VOTE ON THEM. I SIGN THAT AGREEMENT. THERE'S A THING CALLED SLIP SHEETING. IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THEY KNOWINGLY PARTICIPATED IN AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SIGNED IN SLIP CHEATED SIGNATURE PAGES FROM ANOTHER AGREEMENT TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS NEVER EVEN VOTED ON. AND SO BY DOING ACTS LIKE THAT, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. AND AS LONG AS IT TAKES. THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO HAVE PAID MILLIONS IN DAMAGES, IN LAWSUITS AND REPUTATION, AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO WORK HERE BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN. AND THE ONE THING WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL IS TO PUT POLITICS ASIDE, STAND IN UNITY FOR THE TAXPAYERS, FOR THE VICTIMS OF ALL THE CRIMES THAT HAVE HAPPENED. AND HOPEFULLY WE PASS THIS BECAUSE WE ALREADY PASSED THIS IN NOVEMBER OF 21. AND ALL THIS IS IS A CHANGE THAT THE AG HAS ASKED US, A MODIFICATION. AND FOR US TO CHANGE OUR VOTES NOW, I THINK IS I DON'T THINK IT SETS A GOOD STANDARD FOR WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING FOR THE TAXPAYER. BUT THAT'S WHY I SAID TO BE PULLED. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ME WANT TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE. IN OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, GEORGE. SO I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH GOING FORWARD WITH IT, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKED BY A FEW PEOPLE WHY DID IT TAKE US SO LONG WITH ALL THE LITIGATION WE'VE BEEN DOING TO GO AFTER OUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEYS, WHY WEREN'T THEY ONE OF THE FIRST SUITS THAT WE DID IF WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS MALPRACTISE GOING ON? WELL, I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THE CONCERN WAS THE ISSUE OF BREADTH IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WASN'T AWARE OF THOSE ISSUES UNTIL YOU HAD A NEW CITY ATTORNEY. AND THEN THAT NEW CITY ATTORNEY HAD CERTAIN FIRES THAT WERE IMMEDIATELY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN AS THOSE KIND OF PEELING THE ONION, SO TO SPEAK, AS THEY START PULLING UP THE ONION, THEY FIND HERE THERE'S AN ISSUE. NOW HERE THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE. NOW WE FIND A COURSE OR CONDUCT. I MEAN, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE MAYOR DID NOT DISCUSS, WHICH HAS BEEN ALREADY LITIGATED IN THE CITY'S FAVOR TO THE TUNE OF OVER $4 MILLION IN THE CITY'S FAVOR IS THE LEGACY CONTRACT, WHERE THE LEGACY PARTICIPANTS WERE ABLE TO GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS OF THE PUBLIC AND NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT IN VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THAT'S THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE'VE FOUND IN WOLVERINE. IT'S THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE FOUND IN PRESTON HOLLOW CAPITAL. AND THOSE BEHAVIORS HAVE BEEN CLEARLY DEFINED BY THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL AS BEING ILLEGAL. SO ONCE YOU START SEEING A PATTERN, IT TAKES THAT PATTERN TO TO START TO WARRANT PUBLIC MONEY TO BE RISKED OR ASSESSED. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ONE ISSUE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE, TWO ISSUES. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING. BUT WHEN YOU START SEEING IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CONTRACTS THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED THIS WAY. AND SO THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, THE PART OF TRYING TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION, FINDING THAT IT WARRANTED THAT ACTION AND THEN COME FORWARD WITH WITH THE LAWSUIT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, GEORGE. I THINK ANOTHER ASPECT OF THAT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE WERE DEFENDANTS IN MOST OF THOSE EARLY CASES IN THAT TIME PERIOD. AND SO WE WERE NOT CHOOSING TO ENGAGE IN SOME OF THAT LITIGATION. IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE WE WERE BROUGHT INTO IT BY PEOPLE SUING THE CITY. YEAH, THE FIRST LITIGATION BY WAS THE CITY OF HUTTO VERSUS WOLVERINE WAS BROUGHT WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AND WAS BUT THAT WAS STILL UNDER THE OLD ATTORNEYS I'M TALKING ABOUT. AFTER WE SWITCHED ATTORNEYS, OKAY. WE DIDN'T START INITIATING LAWSUITS WITH PEOPLE. THEY INITIATED THEM WITH THE CITY. [00:40:02] NO. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, IN THE PRESENT ALONE ISSUE, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ABOUT TWO MONTHS OF TRYING TO FIND OPTIONS OF WHICH WERE ALL REJECTED IN ORDER TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT WITHOUT LEGAL INTERVENTION. AND THEN THEY SUED US FOR IT. AND THEN THEY BROUGHT AND THAT WAS A CONTRACT DIRECTLY WITH COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH THEY THEY EXTENDED AND BROUGHT THE CITY INTO IT AS WELL. AND IN ABOUT THREE DAYS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL THAT TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT WILL EXPIRE. AND WE WON IN THE MAGISTRATE BEFORE THE DISTRICT JUDGE IN AUSTIN, BEFORE THE THREE JUDGE PANEL OF JUSTICES IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS. SO I THINK THAT THAT CASE IS GOING TO BE FINALLY DEAD. AND IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BRING OTHER CASES, THERE'S A DEFENSE CALLED ARREST ADJUDICATOR THAT ALLOWED THAT BARS THEM FROM BRINGING FUTURE CLAIMS BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM ALL AT ONCE. AND SO THAT IS THE PRINCIPLE THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH NOW THAT WE'LL NEED TO GO TO AT LEAST AN APPELLATE COURT IN ORDER TO TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT DEFENSE WILL BE VALIDATED FOR US TO TO NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRECEDENT HOLLOW'S ISSUES. THANK YOU. GEORGE, I HAVE A QUESTION. WITH ALL THE LAWSUITS AND STUFF THAT YOU'VE JUST NAMED, ALL OF THOSE ARE FOOTED THE BILL BY TML, CORRECT? NO, NO, MA'AM. THE HTML DOES NOT TAKE CASES WHERE YOU ARE AN AFFIRMATIVE. YOU'RE SEEKING AFFIRMATIVE RELIEF. THEY TAKE CASES THAT ARE DEFENSE RELATED. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER IMPORTANCE OF THIS LAWSUIT WITH REGARDS TO THE LEGAL MALPRACTISE, IS THAT THE THE DAMAGES ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING TO PAY THESE ATTORNEYS FEES FOR CONTRACTS OF WHICH SHOULD NOT HAVE EVER BEEN APPROVED BY YOUR FORMER COUNSEL, ARE DAMAGES OF WHICH YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RECOVER WITH A SUCCESSFUL JUDGMENT IN THE MALPRACTISE CASE AND THE DECLARATORY JUDGMENT MATTERS, ATTORNEY'S FEES ARE RECOVERABLE. AND SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO SHOW THE THE BAD ACTS OF THE OTHER PARTY, THAT THE ATTORNEY THAT THE JUDGE WILL AWARD ATTORNEY'S FEES IN THOSE CASES AND THEN BE ABLE TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR THOSE COSTS. SO THERE'S THERE'S A NUMBER OF MECHANISMS BY WHICH THESE FUNDS WILL BE REIMBURSED OR REPAID WITH SUCCESS IN THE LITIGATION, AS WELL AS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN IS WE AVOIDED AN OBLIGATION TO PAY A $12.5 MILLION LOAN IN RETURN. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S YOU'RE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE 12 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS UP MINUS WHATEVER YOU'VE PAID FOR LITIGATION. AND SO AS LONG AS THAT STANDS, THE CITY OF HUTTO WILL BE IN THE BLACK, NOT IN THE RED FROM ITS LITIGATION. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS ONE IS CONTINGENCY FEE ONLY. SO IT'S NOT TML PAID. IT'S NOT. WELL I THINK IT'S $10 I THINK WAS THE AGENCY. YEAH. THAT WAS, THAT WAS FOR THE, THE FLAT RATE PORTION. BUT, BUT YES, THIS, THIS CONTRACT NOW IS CREATED AND IN THE LAW THEY CALL IT A CONTRACT OF ADHESION. IT'S THAT IT HAS TO BE THE WAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS THE CONTRACT HAS TO BE. AND IF IT'S IF ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CONTRACT WITH THE STATE LAW REQUIRES, THEN THEY WILL NOT APPROVE THE AGREEMENT. AND SO IT YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL THING IS THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE A FORM AGREEMENT AND JUST ISSUED THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TRY TO MAKE THE ISSUE. BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD NOW SO THAT THAT CONTINGENCY FEE AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE ALL COSTS AND EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE LITIGATION. ANY DEPOSITION COSTS, EXPERT WITNESSES WILL BE REQUIRED AND THEY WILL HAVE FEES. AND THOSE COSTS ARE ALL COVERED BY THE LAW FIRM BECAUSE THEY HAVE REVIEWED YOUR CASE AND FIND IT WORTHY OF INVESTING THOSE WHICH CAN BE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, SIX FIGURES OF FUNDS ULTIMATELY AT THE END TO RECOVER. AND THE PETITION DOES INDICATE WHICH IS THE HIGHEST PART, THAT THEY ARE SEEKING MORE THAN $1 MILLION, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST. YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO PLEAD FOR DAMAGES IN THIS CASE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. OTHERWISE, THE MOTION WILL BE IN ORDER. MAYOR, I MOVED TO ACCEPT ITEM 9.6 AS PRESENTED. A SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO APPROVING NINE SIX IS PRESENTED IN THE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HARRY NUNN. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I. MAYOR SNYDER I COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER HARLAN. I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. [00:45:02] COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM TEN ONE CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON [10.1. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-010 for the Specific Use Permit for the property known as Hutto ISD 9th Grade Center on FM 1660 to allow a parking lot with reduced landscaping (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022. DASH 2010 FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS A HUTTO ISD NINTH GRADE CENTER ON FM 1660 TO ALLOW A PARKING LOT WITH REDUCED LANDSCAPING. HELLO, ASHLEY. AT EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STATED FOR THE ISD. SO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED BY BOTH PARTIES, BOTH THE CITY AND THE ISD IN 2019, AND IT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE ISD FOR SCHOOL SITE SELECTION, LAYOUT, LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS SITE'S ACTUALLY 159 ACRES, SO IT'S GETTING DEVELOPED IN PIECES. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW STEPS ON THAT. SO TONIGHT IS TWO PARKING LOTS. THE FIRST INCLUDES 288 SPACES OFF OF DESTINY LANE, AND THE SECOND IS GOING TO BE 156 SPACES. IT'S CLOSER TO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, SO WE CAN SHOW YOU BOTH OF THOSE. YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M HERE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE OVER ON THE SIDE. SO THE FIRST ONE, 288, WE HAVE SOME OF WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF TREES AND SHRUBS REQUIRED. THIS 288 PARKING LOT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO ALSO DOUBLE AS THE MARCHING BAND PRACTICE. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THOSE INTERNAL. TREES OR ANYTHING. YOU DON'T WANT TO. YOU JUST. ISLANDS. YEP. SO THIS IS WHAT NORMALLY WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO WE KIND OF MOCK THAT UP FOR YOU. AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING ACTUALLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THIS. THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING. SORRY, P AND Z ACTUALLY DID JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT PORTION. FOR THE 156 SPACE PARKING LOT FOR THE 15% SITE LANDSCAPE AREA. THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO DO THE PERIMETER. BUT THEN THIS ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A FEW MORE SPACES UP THERE. SO WE DID SEND THE PUBLIC NOTICES TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 600 FEET. WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. SO TO GET INTO THE MOTION, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE A MOTION UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE SEP WITH REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL TREES AND SHRUBS BY 70%. THAT JUST KEEPS IT REALLY SIMPLE SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR WHEN THE SITE PLANS COME IN. SO THE DESTINEE LANE, THE OTHERWISE MARCHING BAND PARKING LOT, IS GOING TO HAVE 31 TREES AND 122 SHRUBS AND THE PYGMY LANE LOT, THE SMALLER OF THE TWO IS 19 TREES AND 87 SHRUBS. SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. THEY CERTAINLY WORKED HARD ON THIS ONE. AND WE DO HAVE AN APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE ISD, ANY QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL FOR ASHLEY. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SHOULD BE APPROXIMATELY REQUIRED IS THE 64 LARGE TREE. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING 50. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DOWN 14 TREES AND THEN 291. IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IN SHRUBS, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING 209, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY LOSING 82 SHRUBS. SO 14 TREES AND 82 SHRUBS IS ACTUALLY THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. THE MAJORITY OF IT REALLY IS THAT WE JUST GET THE PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE NORMALLY GOING TO SEE ON ANY OF THE ISD SITES. IT ALSO BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING OUT THIS ALSO HELPS SAVE THEM A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS IRRIGATION BECAUSE RUNNING THAT IRRIGATION TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS WHEN THE REST OF THE SITE ISN'T BUILT OUT IS ALSO VERY COSTLY AND MOVE TO IMPROVE IS PRESENTED. THIS DOES HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC PUBLIC. HELLO. THERE WAS ONLY QUESTION I HAD, SO I GOT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MATH. IF I ADD THE TWO TOGETHER, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO 168 TREES AND REMOVE NET DOWN TO 40. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A IT'S A 70%, 128 LESS TREES. AND THEN GET BACK TO THE NUMBERS FOUR, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO 697 SHRUBS AND THAT GETS BUMPED DOWN TO A TOTAL OF 209, WHICH IS ROUGHLY IF I DO THAT, LIKE 490 SOMETHING LESS SHRUBS. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE GONE FROM COMING UP AND ASKING FOR NO LANDSCAPE. SO WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. SO I APPRECIATE I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS A CALIPER? THE TREE ARE THESE THREE INCH? BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WHAT P AND Z HAS DONE IS THEY'VE SAID YOU CAN HAVE LESS TREES, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GO WITH A FOUR OR FIVE INCH CALIPER TO GET THEM STARTED OR STILL BE THE THREE INCH. I CANNOT SEE THAT SCREEN. I'LL BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY ON HERE. I'M NOT SURE ON THE ACTUAL SIZE. [00:50:02] OUR CODE REQUIRES 2 TO 3 INCHES AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE OF THE PLANTING ISSUES AFTER THE FREEZE, IT'S STILL HARD TO SOURCE TREES. THEY'LL MEET THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE WASN'T GOOD. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE DISCUSSION OF LET'S BUMP THAT CALIPER UP. THAT WAS FOR, I THINK THE OTHER SUPS THAT WERE COMING THROUGH ARE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS BECAUSE THE TREE COUNT WAS SO MUCH LESS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR LESS TREES AND INCHES. IN THIS, WE FEEL THAT THE 70% REDUCTION WORKS AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A LOT MORE TREES AND SHRUBS. SO THE STANDARD IS, OKAY, ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PART, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND THIS WAS NOT A QUICK ITEM. THEY DISCUSSED IT A LOT AND WENT BACK AND FORTH AND TALKED ABOUT THINGS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH WAS JUST HOW THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITH WITH THE ISD, BUT ALSO REALLY TRYING TO BUMP UP THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAN EVEN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. I DID TALK TO A MEMBER OF P AND Z SINCE THAT MEETING, AND HE DOES KIND OF SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN PLANNING FOR OTHER ISD'S IN THE AREA WHERE HE IS BUSINESS KIND OF WORKS WITH WITH IDS AND DOES THEIR LANDSCAPING IN THAT. AND HE HAD POINTED OUT THAT WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES. AND SO THIS PROPOSAL OF 70% IS ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ARE KIND OF LIKE RECOMMENDING. I THINK THERE'S SOMETIMES I THINK ON COUNCIL, THERE'S SOMETIMES THIS ASSUMPTION THAT WE'RE REDUCING IT LIKE A TON AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS. BUT IF WE'RE KIND OF STARTING AT A HIGHER POINT THAN MAYBE OTHERS, THEN WHEN WE'RE DROPPING DOWN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DROPPING DOWN MORE. BUT THE WAY HE EXPLAINED IT, HE SAID, YEAH, THIS THIS PROPOSAL HERE THAT THEY APPROVED IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH WHAT A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE ASKING FOR, KIND OF BY DEFAULT. SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. THAT REALLY HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WITH WHERE OUR CODE IS RIGHT NOW IN OUR LANDSCAPING SIDE. I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. WE WE ARE VERY LANDSCAPE HEAVY AND WE'VE EVEN BACKED OFF SOME OF WHAT WE WERE ABOUT IN 2015, 2016. BUT CERTAINLY WE WERE SEEING ON SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL SITES AND SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL SITES COMING IN, THERE WERE SO MANY TREES THAT THE TREES WEREN'T HEALTHY AT THAT POINT. SO WE'VE BACKED OFF A LITTLE BIT. BUT POINT TAKEN, WE CERTAINLY STILL REQUIRE A LOT. AND THE SECONDARY USE OF THESE PARKING LOTS FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, VEHICULAR TRAINING, CONTINUING EDUCATION PROGRAM ON MOTORCYCLE SAFETY, MARCHING BAND PRACTICE. I MEAN. YEAH. I THINK THAT THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR A REDUCTION. IN THIS CASE. RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO PUBLIC HEARING? HERE AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:54 P.M.. BUT WE WILL INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK. TO COME UP. WE'LL KEEP THE SAME THREE MINUTE. THIS WOULD BE BRIEF. MY NAME IS NICOLE CALDERON, A RESIDENT OF HUTTO. AND IN REGARDS TO THIS REQUEST, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST REQUEST THAT THE ESTE HAS COME UP TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL USE ON LANDSCAPING AND GOING BACK TO THOSE PAST OF HAVING A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. ONE OF OUR GOALS WAS TO HAVE A TREE CANOPY, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT WE'RE HEAVIER THAN OTHER CITIES, IS THAT WE'RE A CITY DEVELOPING FARMLAND. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPE TO START WITH. SO IF WE'RE COMPARING WHAT WE REQUIRE TO OTHER CITIES, WE NEED TO WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS UNIQUE FOR US. THIS PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE BLACKTOP, IT'S GOING TO BE LARGE, IT'S GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF HEAT AND IT'S GOING TO BE ESPECIALLY HEAVY OR ESPECIALLY HOT FOR BAND PRACTICING THERE AS WELL. AND THE SCIENCE OF TREES, REDUCING THE TEMPERATURE, IMPROVING AIR QUALITY, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BENEFIT. AND IF SOMEBODY IS TAKING A MOTORCYCLE SAFETY COURSE, MAYBE THEY SHOULD PRACTICE STAYING AWAY FROM THE TREES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INSTEAD SEE THE COUNCIL, MAYBE TABLE THIS ITEM AND GO BACK TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE ISD TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOUR STANDARDS ARE TOO HIGH OR IF YOU'RE JUST READY AND ANXIOUS TO APPROVE IT. AND ADVOCATES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I SEE NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL END THE PUBLIC SESSION AT 7:56 P.M.. THEN. NOW WE CAN OPEN IT BACK UP TO DISCUSSION OR. ACTION. ASHLEY, CAN WE SEE THE PICTURES AGAIN? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE IN THE PACKET. I DON'T SEE THE PICTURES WITH THE GREEN SPACE. [00:55:02] YEAH. THE ONES THAT YOU ADDED. I JUST WANT TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. SO THIS WOULD BE WHAT'S TYPICALLY GOING TO BE REQUIRED BASED ON OUR LANDSCAPING OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING THAN THE PERIMETER. AND THIS IS A. IT'S ABOUT. THAT'S PROBABLY ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'LL SEE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THE INTERNAL LANDSCAPING BECAUSE THE FUNCTION AND THE DUAL FUNCTION OF THAT PARKING LOT. RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT I'M SORRY, THIS PARTICULAR PARKING LOT, WHICH IS IT GOING TO BE USED FOR? THIS ONE IS NOT. THE BAND PARKING LOT IS THE ONE MOSTLY THAT WOULD BE FOR THE MOTORCYCLE SAFETY AND FIRE. THIS ONE IS CLOSER DOWN TO WHERE THE FIRE STATION COULD GO. COUNCIL MEMBER. SUTTON. SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS ISN'T THE PARKING LOT THAT THE BAND WILL UTILIZE? THIS IS NOT. SO IF IT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE THEN, WHICH PARKING LOT IS THIS? IT'S THE SAME PARKING LOT, BUT THERE ARE MORE TREES. THIS IS THE GO ALL THE WAY AROUND SO THAT YOU'LL ACTUALLY GET A LOT MORE TREES THAN BASED ON THESE OTHER NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE. SO 31 TREES AND THE 19 TREES. OKAY. CAN YOU LOOK TO THE OTHER? ANGELA, DID YOU PUT THE OTHER TEN ONE SLIDES IN HERE? I APPRECIATE THAT, JEN, BECAUSE. THAT'S LIKE WE'VE TALKED BEFORE. I FEEL LIKE I'M ALWAYS DEBATING ABOUT A TREE. RIGHT. AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD THE THE ISLANDS AND HAVING ISSUES LIKE THAT. I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WE CAN'T DO LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THE PERIMETER TO WHERE IT DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY OF THE BAND. IT DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY OF THE BUTTER CYCLES JUST AS A GOOD FAITH AND SO. SURE. SO LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK REAL FAST. I'M JENN HENDERSON WITH HENDERSON PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS. I'M THE APPLICANT ON THIS SITE. WE DO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ABOUT THESE. WE CAN JUST SKIP ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF IT. AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE CAME TO P AND Z, THAT'S WHAT ASHLEY HAD TO SHOW YOU WAS THE THE TREES THAT WE WERE WE WERE GOING TO GO WITH, THEN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END. SO THIS IS WHAT WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT P AND Z. WE HEARD WHAT THE WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID. WE LISTENED TO THEM. SO THEN WE CHANGED. AND NOW WE'VE GOT PERIMETER TREES ALL THE WAY AROUND, ALONG WITH SHRUBS AT THE FRONT. IT'S REALLY HARD TO SHOW SHRUBS AND TREES ON THE SAME PLAN. SO WE JUST SHOWED THE TREES ON HERE, BUT THERE WILL BE SHRUBS ALL THE WAY AROUND AS WELL, JUST BASED ON WHAT P AND Z SAID. I LIKE THAT. FOR ME, I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AND THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THIS FARMLAND THAT WE'VE GOT. IT IS IS TRUE. WE'VE WE'VE GOT NO TREES. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S BEEN KIND OF HARD TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS THE SAME. IT'S JUST FLAT AND BARE. SO. I'M OF THE NOTION THAT WE NEED MORE TREES TO BE BUILT, WHETHER IT'S IN THE PARKS OR THE SCHOOL GROUNDS, HAVE A LOT OF SPACE. IT IS MAYBE IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY AFFORDABLE TO PUT THOSE TREES IN, BUT. WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT CREATING THIS TREE CANOPY. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE, IT'S JUST FOR THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO I'M I'M A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PICTURE THAT THAT YOU'RE SHOWING RATHER THAN. THE ONE JUST ON ONE SIDE. NOW FROM THESE WHICH CAN WE DETERMINE WHICH ARE TREES AND WHICH ARE SHRUBS? ALL OF THE BIG GREEN CIRCLES ARE TREES. WE DID NOT SHOW THE SHRUBS ON THIS ONE. IF WE DID, IT WOULD JUST BE LONG ONES AND IT WOULD BE REALLY TOUGH TO UNDERSTAND. BECOMES MORE CERTAIN NOW. SO IT'S DESTINY LANE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MARCHING BAND. THIS IS THE BIGGER ONE, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS KIND OF ACROSS AN UP IS WHERE THE TRACK IS AND AND KIND OF DOWN TO THE LEFT IS WHERE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS. RIGHT. THEY NEED A LOT OF ROOM. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MARCHING WITH THE KIDS, SO I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND I UNDERSTAND. SO THE PROXIMITY OF THESE TREES TO EACH OTHER IS NOT GOING TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GROW AND BE HEALTHY. YES, WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON OUR TEAM THAT PUT THOSE TOGETHER. [01:00:01] IT WAS MUCH TOO BIG TO LEAVE ALL OF THEIR LOGO AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE DID ENGAGE CASCADE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TO ENSURE THAT THEY WILL SURVIVE. THE DISTRICT DOES HAVE A PLANTING GUIDELINE THAT'S A LOT MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE CITY HAS. THE DISTRICT WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TREES CAN LIVE WITHOUT BEING WATERED OR IRRIGATED SO THEIR TREE LIST IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. AND IN OUR LANDSCAPE, ARCHITECT DID ABIDE BY THAT. RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ENTERTAIN. I'D ALREADY MOVED TO A PREVIOUS PRESENTED. POSTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO. PROVING TEN ONE HAS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A SECOND SECTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THANKS FOR WORKING WITH ME AND Z. AND THEN I APPRECIATE ANOTHER A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF P AND Z THAT ARE HERE. THANKS FOR HELPING PUSH SOME THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND FIGURING OUT A SOLUTION. SO IT'S BETTER THAT WAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST ANOTHER DISCUSSION AND WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. HI. COUNCIL MEMBER. GORDON I. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, I. COUNCIL MEMBER. SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER. KINSEY I. MAYOR SCHNEIDER, I PASSED THIS SEVEN ZERO AND YOU CAN DISPENSE ON THE SECOND READING OF THIS ITEM IF YOU WANT. MOST READING BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY DISPENSING OF THE SECOND READING, TAKE A SECOND. WE SAID IT SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. YOU NEED DISCUSSION ON THAT? HARRY NUNN, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I. BOSTON PASSES SEVEN ZERO. GOOD LOOKING OUT WHOEVER IS AT YOU, CHRIS. THANKS, CHRIS. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM TEN TO CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE [10.2. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-011 for the proposed Hutto Landing Planned Unit Development (PUD), 31.9 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Exchange Boulevard (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022, DASH 011 FOR THE PROPOSED SHUTTLE LANDING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HUD 31.9 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. MAYOR, BEFORE WE BEGIN DISCUSSION ON THIS, I HAVE FILED AN AFFIDAVIT INTENDING TO ABSTAIN FROM DISCUSSING AND VOTING ON THIS ITEM. MY PERSONAL PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN, I THINK, 150 FEET OF THIS PROPERTY, AND I'VE BEEN ADVISED THAT I NEED TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE OF HOW CLOSE MY HOME IS TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS SITE HAS IT'S ACTUALLY JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. IT'S SURROUNDED BY OTHER MULTI FAMILY AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH. AND THEN THERE'S THIS RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS ALSO ZONED MULTIFAMILY, I THINK, BACK IN 2006 OR SO. SO ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN EXISTING AS MULTIFAMILY AND JUST NOT YET DEVELOPED. SO THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT IS TO REZONE FROM MULTIFAMILY TO PWD FOR MULTIFAMILY. AND TRULY THE REASONING IS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPE CRITERIA OF THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE. THERE ARE MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT BE MADE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT IS CONCEPTUAL AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING ONCE IT HITS THE GROUND. THE DEVELOPMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY IN CONSTRUCTING THEIR PORTION OF THE EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK. THE COLLECTOR IS SHOWN ON THE CITY'S MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AND THEN ALSO THEY ARE PROVIDING AMENITIES, INCLUDING A POOL, SPORTS FIELD OR A COURT SPORTS COURT DOG PARK AND AN INTERNAL TRAIL. SO WE GO THROUGH ESSENTIALLY AND IT'S JUST A REWRITING OF THE LANDSCAPE PORTION. SO THEY ARE PROPOSING ONE LARGE TREE PER 500 SQUARE FEET. AND SORRY, THAT'S THE UDC SECTION. WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF. LET ME GET TO THIS OTHER ONE. THE 25 FOOT WIDE PLANTING AREA TO NATIVE TALL TREES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MEDIUM LEVEL BUFFER YARD BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THERE'S NO BUILDING WITHIN THE 50 FEET OF THAT NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN FROM P AND Z. THIS ITEM ACTUALLY WAS TABLED BY P AND Z TO FURTHER LOOK AT THAT BUFFER YARD AND FILL FOR BUILDING FOUNDATION ON THE PROPERTY MAY NOT EXCEED TEN FEET FROM THE EXISTING GRADE, SO [01:05:02] WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THOSE BUILDINGS BUILT UP SO THAT THEY WOULD BE A HIGHER GRADE THAN THOSE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AS WELL. SO HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE NUMBER OF TREES THEY ARE STILL PROPOSING. SO EVEN WITH THE STANDARDS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, THERE ARE STILL QUITE A NUMBER OF TREES. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'VE TRIED TO ANGLE THESE BUILDINGS AT THE TOP. SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY GETTING THAT FULL VIEW INTO ANYONE'S EXISTING YARD. AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE BUFFER YARD AND THEN ALSO THAT 50 FOOT. HERE ON THE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER UP OF THE BUFFER YARD THAN THE OPEN SPACE THAT THEY'RE USING TO BUFFER THOSE BUILDINGS FROM THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY SITE. AND THEN HERE THEY ALSO GAVE US A RENDERING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THAT THIRD FLOOR WITH THE DISTANCE REQUIRED AND THEN THE TREES IN THAT BUFFER YARD TO THOSE EXISTING HOMES ADJACENT. WE DO HAVE AN APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE. THEY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU. IF WE COULD SWITCH TO THAT AND I WILL BRING THEM UP BECAUSE THEY ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS. WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL, I THINK 10 TO 12. WE HAD TO NOTICE THIS TWICE BECAUSE THE TABLING, SOME OF THEM WERE DUPLICATES. BUT WE DO HAVE RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION TO THE MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALREADY ZONED MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS STRICTLY TO LOOK AT THE PLANTING CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN THE UDC. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SWITCH THAT, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL. WE CAN DO THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN RATHER THEY MAKE THEIR FULL PRESENTATION AND WE CAN HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AMANDA BROWN. I'M WITH KINLEY HORN, REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER OF THIS SITE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. THIS IS THE LOCATION. IT'S A LONG EXCHANGE. IT'S ON EXCHANGE BOULEVARD, JUST NORTH OF 79. THIS IS THE EXISTING CURRENT ZONING MAP. THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY. IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO SOME OF THE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. EVERY ONE OF THOSE LETTERS THAT HAD A CONTACT INFORMATION, I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS. AND GENERALLY IT'S THEY DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THIS IS ALREADY MULTIFAMILY. AND I THINK THE HUD IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT THAT I'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT IN A LITTLE BIT IS GOING TO SHOW THAT ULTIMATELY THE HUD THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GOING TO BE A BETTER DEVELOPMENT THAN IT WOULD UNDER CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS. SO AS ASHLEY ALREADY MENTIONED, THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN. WE HAVE NOT ENGINEERED THIS SITE. SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, BUT GENERALLY THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN IS AS OF NOW. A FEW THINGS THAT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT. YOU CAN SEE OUR DRAINAGE FACILITIES THERE TO THE FAR SOUTH IS THE FUTURE EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK BOULEVARD. THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING THAT AT A COST OF ABOUT $4 MILLION. LOTS OF OPEN SPACES PROVIDED AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES. THERE'S A RESORT STYLE POOL. THERE'S GOING TO BE SPORTS COURTS AND SPORTS FIELDS, OPEN SPACE AND A INNER NETWORK TO TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE SITE. AND I THINK THE MAIN THING THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THESE ARE THE TREES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE WANT LOTS OF TREES THAT'S GOOD FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOOD FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AND WE WANT TO SHADE AND PLANT TREES ALL OVER THE SITE AS WELL. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PHASES THAT SHOWS WHAT A CODE COMPLIANT TREE PLANTING EXHIBIT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TREE PLANTINGS ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER AND IN SOME CASES OVERLAPPING. THIS IS TRULY AN ISSUE JUST FOR THE HEALTH OF THE TREES. A LOT OF THESE WON'T SURVIVE. ADDITIONALLY, MANY OF THEM WILL JUST NOT GROW TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. ONE OF THE PRIORITIES OF OUR DEVELOPMENT IS TO PROVIDE SOME MEANINGFUL OPEN SPACE, SO KIND OF CLEARED SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO THROW A BALL. AND THAT'S ALSO NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE CURRENT TREE PLANTINGS REQUIREMENTS. SO. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS PUTT IS REALLY SORT OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANUP TO PROVIDE A MORE REASONABLE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENT FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. WE ARE IN NO WAY TRYING TO HAVE MORE UNITS OR MORE BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT REQUIRE THE 20% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE COMPLYING WITH THAT. IT'S REALLY JUST TO RECALIBRATE THE TREE PLANTINGS, TO ALIGN A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE HEALTH OF THE TREES. AS ASHLEY MENTIONED, WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY BROUGHT UP SOME CONCERNS AND ULTIMATELY OUR ITEM WAS POSTPONED. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. SO THE CODE MODIFICATION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS TO THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, BUT [01:10:03] WE'VE ADDED SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS POD AND WILL RUN WITH THE LAND. SO THE FIRST IS WE ARE CODIFYING THE AMENITIES AS REQUIREMENTS. SO THE POOLS, THE TRAILS, THE SPORTS COURTS WILL ALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE HUD. AND I THINK AT THIS POINT I'M JUST GOING TO GO TO THIS EXHIBIT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO THE COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. SO WE INCREASED THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM 20 FEET TO 25 FEET. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AND THIS IS PER CODE, THE TREE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT'S REQUIRED ALREADY PER CODE. SO CODES WILL BE HEAVILY SCREENED. ADDITIONALLY, WE PUT IN IN THE POD A 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT REQUIRES THAT ANY BUILDING WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT SETBACK COULD NOT BE MORE THAN TWO STOREYS. THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. WE GOT ON A CALL WITH THE ARCHITECT AND HE EXPLAINED THAT THAT'S THAT IS THEIR STANDARD PRACTICE IS WHEN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY NEARBY IS TO ORIENT THE BUILDING SORT OF KITTY CORNER TO THE TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. SO THERE'S NOT LIKE A BIG WALL OF IMPOSING OF IMPOSING BUILDING THERE. SO THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY DONE. WE ALSO COMMISSIONED A SITE EXHIBIT. REALLY THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION IS TO PROVIDE DISTANCE AND TO PROVIDE SCREENING. SO WE'LL BE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING ALL ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE. ADDITIONALLY, THE NEAREST BUILDING TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS 95 FEET. SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS IN MIND, THERE WON'T BE ANY ABILITY FOR ANYBODY FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO BE LOOKING INTO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH YARD. SO PROJECT BENEFITS AGAIN. THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION IS A VERY BIG DEAL FOR THIS SITE OF $4 MILLION INVESTMENT. THIS IS PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED HOUSING DIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND TRULY, GENUINELY IMPROVED OPEN SPACE BOTH FOR US, FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, AND I THINK ALSO FOR THE GREATER HEALTH OF HUTTON'S TREE CANOPY. AND ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SITE ALREADY BEING ZONED MULTIFAMILY. THIS WILL BE A MUCH BETTER DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. OUR ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER ARE ALSO ALL HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU, AMANDA. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:14 P.M.. ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THIS POD? SEE. THEN WE WERE CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 814. AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL. I HAVE A FEW. PROBABLY AMANDA. AND ACTUALLY YOU CAN PROBABLY HELP. SO HOW FAR OFF ARE YOU ON THE LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO JUST STICKING WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING VERSUS NEEDING THE PUD. THE REDUCTION IS BY ABOUT HALF. AND THEN I NOTICED IN THE DESIGN, IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE CONTIGUOUS? COMPLEX BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THERE'S TWO SEPARATE LEASING OFFICES. CORRECT. YEAH. IT'LL BE ONE CONTIGUOUS COMMUNITY, BUT IT'LL BE IN TWO PHASES. OKAY. SO WILL THE SECOND LEASING OFFICE REMAIN ONCE THE SECOND PHASE IS COMPLETE, OR WITH THAT OTHER LEASE OFFICE THEN BE TURNED INTO MORE UNITS? I BELIEVE BOTH OF THE LEASING OFFICES WILL REMAIN. OKAY. AND THEN I UNDERSTAND WHY THE MULTISTORY DWELLING BY THE FURTHEST NORTH LEASING OFFICE IS TWO STOREYS, BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THAT AMOUNT OF FEET BUFFER FROM THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ALSO HAS A TWO STOREY BUILDING AS WELL. SO I WAS JUST ASKING FOR A CLARIFICATION ON WHY THAT ONE TOWARDS THE SOUTH ALSO HAS THAT. IS IT FOR THE SAME REASON? BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE. SORRY. I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. SO THE LEASING OFFICE. LET ME SEE. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SOUTH MOST SOUTH LEASING OFFICE, KIND OF OFF TO THE LEFT, THERE'S ANOTHER MULTI STOREY DWELLING. IT'S A TWO STOREY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UP ON THIS PERIMETER. NO, MA'AM. FURTHER SOUTH. OKAY. SO NOT THE I CAN GET UP AND CHAINS SO. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW IT DID THAT. THIS IS A LEASING OFFICE. THIS ONE IS LABELED AS A TWO STORY. OKAY. WHY? [01:15:01] WHY? DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT ONE IS A TWO STORY? YES, THAT'S. SO WE DO HAVE SOME TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AS WELL. AND ARE THESE GOING TO BE MORE IN A TOWNHOME TYPE? CORRECT. SO THE ONES ESSENTIALLY FACING EXCHANGE ARE GOING TO BE MORE OF A TOWNHOME LOOK. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND THEN IT SAYS TRAIL SYSTEM OR DOG PARK IS ONE OF THE AMENITIES. THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UP AGAINST. IS THERE EXISTING FENCES AND LIKE THE TREES, IS IT GOING TO BE KIND OF UP AGAINST THE FENCE LINE? CORRECT. THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE AND THEN THE TREES WILL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FENCE LINE WITHIN THAT 20 TO 25 FOOT BUFFER. AND THEN THE TRAIL WILL THEN BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TREES CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY, NOT THE EXISTING HOMES PROPERTY THEY GET RIGHT OUT. I THINK I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. AGAIN, THIS SITE STILL HASN'T BEEN TOTALLY DESIGNED. WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO NOT HAVING THE TRAIL IN THAT AREA IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH. I MEAN, I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE TRAIL. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I LIVE THERE AND MY FENCE LINE WAS BACK THERE, WHAT I WOULD I OR WOULD I NOT WANT A TRAIL SYSTEM RIGHT THERE. I CAN SEE PLUSES AND MINUSES DEPENDING. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOU WERE IMAGINING THERE. IF A TRAIL IS THERE, IT WILL BE FENCE PLANTINGS TRAIL. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND THEN WHAT KIND OF PRICE POINTS ARE YOU GUYS FORECASTING FOR THIS AREA? SO WHAT TYPE OF KIND OF WORK OR SALARY RANGE ARE YOU KIND OF FORECASTING? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PHONE A FRIEND ON THAT ONE. OKAY. AND THAT'S. I MEAN, THAT'S YOU. PRICE POINT. DO WHAT? PRICE POINT. PRICE POINT. HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN KRULL WITH MAVERICK DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE DEVELOPER OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SO SALARY RANGE WAS THAT KIND OF THE QUESTION. SO PRICE POINT, WHAT WOULD THE RENT ESSENTIALLY BE? AND PRICE POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN REALLY DEEP, FAR INTO KIND OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF EXACTLY WHO WE THINK THE TENANT BASE IS GOING TO BE. OBVIOUSLY, TENANTS ON THE MEGA SITE, SAMSUNG, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT MORE FAMILIES HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE UNMARRIED RESIDENCE. SO PRICE POINT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I COULD PULL A NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 1600 DOLLARS RANGE IS KIND OF WOULD BE THE AVERAGE. YES, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE DOLLAR 80 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. MY BRAIN THINKS IN DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT. SO DOLLAR, 80 ISH A SQUARE FOOT. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE AROUND WHO YOU'RE EXACTLY GOING TO BE MARKETING TO, WHAT KIND OF TENANTS ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE LIVING HERE. AND THEN AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING AND THEN WHAT KIND OF PRICE POINTS DIVERSITY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AS WELL? SURE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT QUESTION IS COMING FROM. AND THEN I THINK THAT MIGHT BE I'LL HAVE FOR YOU, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY COVERED PARKING HERE? YEAH. SO ALMOST ALL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS HAS TUCK UNDER GARAGES WHERE IT'S DIRECT ACCESS, DRIVE INTO THE GARAGE AND WALK INTO YOUR UNIT. SO ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST STORY ON MOST OF THESE IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, IF NOT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. RIGHT? SO SECOND SO PRETTY MUCH THE SECOND AND THIRD STORY ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY WHERE THE DWELLINGS ARE. CORRECT. AND THERE'S 686 UNITS TOTAL. THERE SHOULD BE 353 AND 308. SO THAT'D BE SIX. I THINK I READ THAT IT WAS LIKE 686. I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET. I READ IT, IT SHOULD BE SIX 6161. IS THAT MAXING OUT YOUR PER ACRE ALLOWANCE? IT IS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOVE THE THE TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING DENSITY BY WAY OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, KIND OF IN CONCERT WITH THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION TO GO A LITTLE BIT ABOVE I GUESS IT'S 20 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UP TO 353 UNITS. AND THEN IT'S CONFORMS WITH TYPICAL DENSITY FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING ON THE ON THE NORTHERN PIECE. SO IN YOUR OPINION, DO YOU THINK THAT IS WHY YOU NEED THE HUD? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING ABOVE THE ALLOWED DENSITY AND NOT JUST THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT? NO. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE HUD THAT RELATES TO THE DENSITY. YEAH. THERE'S A PART ALLOWS FOR THAT. CORRECT. NO. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE POT ABOUT THAT. I THINK IN GENERAL JUST ALLOWS YOU TO, IN SOME INSTANCES, WRITE YOUR OWN RULES FOR DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE UDC. AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU WRITE, YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING TO REWRITE THE LANDSCAPE PART OF OUR UDC. EXACTLY. THE ONLY THINGS IN THE PUB THAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT ARE MODIFICATION TO THE LANDSCAPE CODES AND THEN THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS THE AMENITIES. [01:20:01] GOTCHA. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING ABOVE THE TYPICAL ZONING AND DENSITY OF MULTIFAMILY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING OVER THAT. THERE IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT THAT WAS DONE 2021, MID 2021 WITH THE OVERALL FORMER DEVELOPER THAT WITH THE EXTENSION OF LIVE OAK, THERE WAS A DENSITY BONUS GRANTED BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THE CODE HAD NOT CHANGED AND BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING RIGHT OF WAY AND BUILDING THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION OR A PORTION OF THAT, THEY DO GET SOME OF THAT DENSITY BACK. THEY GET TO CLAIM SOME OF THAT ACREAGE FOR THEIR DENSITY. SO ACTUALLY ACRE, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT IF YOU'RE INCLUDING THE ACREAGE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GIVING UP TO CREATE THAT RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD AT THIS TIME. I HAVE A COUPLE. SO ON THIS PLAN. WHEN YOU SAY THE BUILDINGS ARE ROTATED AND THEN IS THAT DOES THAT MEAN THE PORCHES OR THE PATIOS ARE FACING INTERNAL, NOT EXTERNAL? CORRECT. AND THEN THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE ONES THAT ARE THE FURTHEST NORTH. SO PEOPLE WON'T BE SITTING ON THEIR PATIO LOOKING INTO. SO THERE MAY THERE MAY BE SOME OUTDOOR AREAS ON THE UNITS ALONG THE FACADES, BUT NOT AT THE CORNER. AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. SO THE INSURANCE. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THE ENTRANCE TO THESE UNITS, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S GARAGES THAT THEY GO IN, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE, IT'S NOT REALLY A TOWNHOME ON THE TWO STORIES OR ARE THEY JUST INDIVIDUAL UNITS ACROSS? FOR THE FOR THE TWO STOREY BUILDINGS. YEAH. YEAH. SO THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS THAT RUN LENGTHWISE DOWN THE BUILDING. SO THE ACTUAL WALKING ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON THE FLIP SIDE COMING IN AND THEN THEIR PATIO WILL BE OVERLOOKING THE PARKING LOT. FOUR FOR THE TWO STOREY BUILDING. YES AND NO. THE ENTRANCE IS IS ALL GOING TO COME OFF OF WHERE YOU SEE THE PAVING. AND SO IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A PATIO OR A BALCONY, IT IS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT BUILDING. A TWO STOREY THE TWO STOREY BUILDINGS. SO UNTIL THE TREES GET MATURE ENOUGH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A VIEW INTO THE HOUSES. I COULDN'T. I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I'D HAVE TO I'D HAVE TO SCALE IT AND SEE EXACTLY HOW FAR AWAY THAT IS. I MEAN. THE IT'S 30, 40, 50 FEET. WELL, THE. ARE YOU. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 2 TO 3 TOWNHOMES HERE? YEAH. CORRECT. OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE? I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE THAT YOU FIRST TOUCHED ON. THE ONES THAT THE ANGLE. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE SECOND STOREY BALCONIES? I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THE DESIGN YET. TYPICALLY WE WOULD NOT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I MEAN, IF IF, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE DID, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT OF A PERSON PLUS ROUGHLY 12 FEET IS KIND OF. YOU KNOW, WOULD BE THEIR VANTAGE POINT, BUT. I WOULD HIGHLY DOUBT THAT WE WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN PUTTING THOSE PUTTING BALCONIES ON THE SECOND FLOOR BACK THERE. THAT TYPICALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR A SINGLE UNIT THAT'S KIND OF SPACED OUT LENGTHWISE. AND THEN WHAT WILL THERE BE? STUDIO, APARTMENT, APARTMENTS, TWO BEDROOM TWO. BATH THREE, BEDROOM THREE. I MEAN, WHAT IS A MIX OF OF ALL OF THOSE? HMM. I'M JUST MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVACY OF THE RESIDENTS NORTH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, ALTHOUGH I'M OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION ZONE SO FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT I'M ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, WHICH MAY NOT BE TO MY BENEFIT IF I ANGER SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S LIFE. SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS COMING IN WITH MULTIFAMILY. OF HAVING I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS STREET HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SEE INTO THEIR YARDS THE FACT THAT THOSE ONES CLOSEST THAT HAVE A VIEW ARE TWO STORY, THEN IT'S THE SAME AS A TWO STORY HOUSE BEHIND YOU IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT A THIRD STORY THAT'S GOT AN ANGLE DOWN INTO YOUR YARD, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. ON THE PRIVACY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN HAVING A THREE STORY. I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE MOVED THE THREE STOREY BUILDINGS MUCH FURTHER AWAY THAN YOU HAVE TO BY CODE. AND THEN I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT THE WAY THAT THE TREES ARE SET UP WHERE IT'S NOT EVEN JUST A SINGLE LINE, IT'S KIND OF STAGGERED SO THAT IT GETS BETTER COVERAGE OR PRIVACY. IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A PRIVACY SCREEN THAN A TREE. GAP, TREE GAP KIND OF THING. SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE THINGS HERE TO MITIGATE THAT. AND IF WE TURN THIS DOWN, SOMEBODY CAN COME IN TOMORROW AND TRY TO BUILD THREE STOREY [01:25:05] BUILDINGS RIGHT UP AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN TO THAT PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT. AND THAT HAPPENED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EXCHANGE IN THIS IN THE SAME AREA HERE. AND NOBODY HAD ANY SAY IN PROVING OR REJECTING ONCE THEY CAME IN WITH A STANDARD MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. SO WE GET THE BENEFIT OF YOU GUYS GIVING EXTRA PRIVACY HERE. IF WE DON'T TAKE IT, THE NEXT PERSON COMING IN HERE MIGHT BRING IN SOMETHING MUCH WORSE FOR PRIVACY, AND WE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE IF I DON'T, THE NEXT THING THAT COMES IN HERE IS GOING TO BE LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EXCHANGE AND NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE BEHIND THEIR HOUSES. AMANDA, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO BE CODIFYING THE AMENITIES. I THINK THAT'S REALLY NICE THAT THAT'LL BE FOR SURE INCLUDED BECAUSE THE AMENITIES DO LOOK REALLY FAVORABLE TO JUST THE ESTHETICS OF THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY ALONG THAT LINE. BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK LIKE I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL THAT Y'ALL ARE MAKING A VERY NICE PRODUCT HERE ON THE EXTERNAL. I KNOW WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT ALL INITIAL EARLY ON THOUGHTS ARE FOR LIKE THE EXTERNAL FENCE LINES THAT WOULD BE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL OR ON THE EXTERNAL EXCHANGE LIVE OAK AREAS. IS IT GOING TO BE MASONRY IN REALLY NICE LOOKING OR GOING WOODEN? HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT YET? SO WE WE WERE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING THAT WITH ALL OF OUR DESIGN CONSULTANTS, ARCHITECTS, I GUESS, MONDAY. SO THERE'S EXISTING WOOD FENCE ON ALL THE BACKS OF ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. YOU KNOW, OUR TYPICAL IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WOULD BE TO DO LIKE A SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE, YOU KNOW, THE THE MASONRY FENCE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED IT FOR A TIME ALONG THAT THAT BACK OF THAT SINGLE FAMILY. YOU KNOW, THE HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG LIVE OAK. OUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE KIND OF THE THE WHAT IS SHOWN AS DETENTION, YOU KNOW, BE BE MOVING WATER FEATURES AND HAVE SOME SORT OF SOME SORT OF MOVEMENT IN THERE. SO THERE'S SOME ATTRACTIVENESS TO DRIVING ALONG LIVE OAK AND IN AND PUTTING ANY SORT OF REALLY SIGNIFICANT KIND OF BULKY FENCING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD POTENTIALLY TAKE AWAY KIND OF FROM THAT VIEW, THE WROUGHT IRON SOUNDS REALLY NICE IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO THE WATER FEATURES. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO. SO THAT I GUESS IS THE LEADER IN THE CLUBHOUSE AT THE MOMENT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. JUST SEEM LIKE A REALLY NICE CONCEPTUAL THAT YOU WERE GOING WITH. AND TO COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY'S QUESTIONS EARLIER, SHE WAS ASKING MORE SO ABOUT WHO IS THE TARGET BUYER, IS IT WORKFORCE HOUSING? IS THAT THE LEVEL YOU ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO ATTRACT OR IS THIS ANOTHER OPTION FOR. INSTEAD OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT STILL THE SAME PRICING. HONESTLY, IT'S IT'S ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF PERCEIVE AS THE PROSPECTIVE TENANT BASE HERE IS KIND OF ALL OF THE ABOVE. I MEAN, THERE'S A SMATTERING OF OF DIFFERENT INCOME RANGES, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN. THIS SOUNDS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE PARK. SORRY, THE THE GARAGES ON THAT BASE LEVEL. THERE ARE A LOT OF APARTMENTS LIKE THIS, LIKE ON MOE PARK AND AND THEY'RE REALLY NICE AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GREAT OPTIONS AND AMENITIES FOR. AND THOSE ARE LIKE. YOUNG ADULTS THAT ARE SURE GOING IN THERE OR YOUNG FAMILIES. SO I LIKE HEARING THAT THEY'D ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING GARAGE THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THEIR LIVING. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT, IT BECOMES MORE OF A HOME AND WE GET PEOPLE THAT TAKE BETTER CARE OF IT AND THAT SORT OF TENANT BASES WHO WE WANT AS RENTERS AND WHO I IMAGINE HER TO WANT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. CAN YOU GUYS POINT WHERE YOU WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STONE FENCE? I KNOW TYPICALLY WE CAN'T DICTATE BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT THEN I ALSO KNOW THAT IN PUDS, WHEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL DOING IS DICTATING THINGS. SO I WAS THINKING WHERE WE ALL GET ALONG LIVE OAK, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE A STONE FENCE WITH THE WATER. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARIES AND ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY ALONG EXCHANGE? NOT ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY ALONG EXCHANGE. IT WAS AN IDEA THAT WAS TOYED WITH ON ON SOME OF THE SECTIONS OF THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY. THERE YOU GO. AND IT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THAT THAT CAME UP. AND IN LIEU OF THAT, WE DECIDED THAT EXTRA DISTANCE AWAY FOR ANYTHING OVER TWO STORIES [01:30:03] AND AND SOME AMOUNT OF DISTANCE TO KIND OF REORIENT AND REPLACE THOSE. THE TWO STORY TOWNHOME BUILDINGS WAS A BETTER SOLUTION THAN A MASONRY FENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF SEE OVER THE ANOTHER COMMENT, WHICH I THINK ONLY COMES FROM OREGON. AND I WERE THE ONLY ONES HERE WHEN WE DID THIS DENSITY SWAP. AND I THINK ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK, MY GOD, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THINGS MORE DENSE. THE WAY I REMEMBER IT IS THAT WE. LOOK, I VOTED NO ON THIS AND THAT. I THOUGHT WE WERE UNREASONABLY ASKING YOU ALL TO BUILD A BIGGER, WIDER LIVE OAK WITH BIGGER, WIDER SIDEWALKS THAN WHAT ANYBODY ELSE HAD DONE. RIGHT. BUT BUILDING IT AS WIDE AS WE DID AND THEN FORCING YOU TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT OF WAY TO HAVE THE SIDEWALKS IT ENDED UP TAKING AWAY FROM THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO WHERE HAD WE JUST DONE A REGULAR ROAD? YOU WOULD HAVE HAD X AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS. IT WOULD HAVE FIT IN THE PLAN. BUT ONCE WE HAD YOU OVERSIZE EVERYTHING, THEN IT CAUSED AN ISSUE WITH MITCHELL THAT WE'VE HE WAS NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF BUILDING THE GIANT ROAD, HIS SPEED OF WIDEST ROAD COMING THROUGH THERE. HE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS DENSITY. AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE REALLY DONE IS JUST SAID. AND IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S. PRINCIPAL. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY GOT IT. I MEAN, THEY GOT A BONUS. BUT WHEN WE SAY BONUS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE BONUS. IT REALLY IS THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING THE PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE PROPERTY THAT YOU GAVE UP THAT IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT A NORMAL STREET WOULD HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE THE MOBILITY PLAN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCREDIT THEM FOR THAT DENSITY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. BUT YOU STILL GET YOUR DENSITY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO FURTHER PUNISH THEM BY SAYING WE WANT ALL THE ACRES FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THOSE GREAT SIDEWALKS. AND NOW YOU DON'T EVEN GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GET ON THE DENSITY WHEN YOU WERE DOING YOUR. I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE'LL TRADE YOU BACK. WELL, THIS IS EXACTLY SO THIS IS THE EXACT DEAL. WE HAD ANOTHER HOMEBUILDER COME UP AND THEY WANTED TO GIVE US A RIDE AWAY. AND I SAID, WELL, WHO'S BUILDING THE ROAD? AND THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, LIKE YOU GUYS WOULD. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, WE'VE GOT OTHER DEVELOPERS. THEY GAVE US A RIDE AWAY. THEY PUT THE ROAD IN THERE, PUTTING THE SIDEWALKS IN, AND I WAS LIKE, FAIR IS FAIR. NOW YOU GOT TO DO THE SAME THING. THERE YOU GO. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN BACK, BUT SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. SURE. I WOULD ASK THAT AT A FUTURE MEETING IN A MONTH OR SO, MAYBE WE HAVE A COUNCIL ITEM TO LOOK AT HIRING A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT OUR UDC, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ACTUALLY HAS TIME WITH LANDSCAPING BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE. NOW FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP HAVING ITEMS ON LANDSCAPING, AND SO WHEN I SEE WHAT IS BY CODE SHOULD BE HERE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND SO I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN YOU WITH EVERYTHING YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH AND REWRITE A CODE. BUT IF WE MAYBE AS A COUNCIL TALK ABOUT MAYBE HIRING SOMEONE TO COME IN. ISN'T FRIESEN NICHOLLS ALREADY DOING THE EDC? YES. WELL, WE HAVE NOT HIRED ANYBODY FOR THE UDC, BUT I DID WANT TO REMIND YOU, IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE OF THE COMP PLAN IN FISCAL YEAR 2122, I DID ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING SO THAT WHEN THE COMP PLAN IS DONE, WE COULD GO INTO A CODE AUDIT. SO WE WILL DO THAT AND WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT. I JUST WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE COMP PLAN WAS DONE. OKAY. SO THAT MIGHT THAT BULK OF MONEY IS STILL THERE. YOU MAY JUST TRANSFER IT INTO THE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN SHOULD PROBABLY BE DONE BY SEPTEMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEND ALL OF THAT IN SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. GOTCHA. THAT'LL WORK. ANY OTHER. WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. LISTEN BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO. THE PERUVIAN TEND TO IS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. SPOKEN BY MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? AND THIS IS FIRST READING, SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND. NO. YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING AS WELL. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLANDE. I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I. MAYOR SNYDER. I. COUNCILMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. MOTION PASSES SIX. OH, I JUST REMEMBERED WHY YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS AN OPTION TO DISPENSE A THE SECOND READING SHOULD ANYBODY CHOOSE. RIGHT HERE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TEN THREE CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING [10.3. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-012 for a Future Land Use Map (FLUM) revision for the property known as the Waymaker Stromberg Tract, 390 acres, more or less, of land, from Agricultural/Open Space to Mid-Density Residential and Commercial, located south of CR 132 (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022. DASH 2012 FOR A FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE HAYMAKER STROMBERG TRACT 390 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE TO MID [01:35:03] DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, LOCATED SOUTH OF S.R. 132. I'LL WAIT FOR JUST A MINUTE SO WE CAN GET THIS. WE HAVE VERY PRETTY MAPS ON THIS OTHER ONE. THAT'S GOOD. YOU PRESS F FIVE. YOU PRESS THAT ACTIVE? BIG SCREEN THING YOU DO. OH, NO. I'LL GET INTO THIS ONE. SO YOU MAY ACTUALLY RECALL THIS ONE CAME TO YOU IN MARCH FOR AN INTRODUCTION BEFORE YOU WENT BACK TO P AND Z WITH THIS. SO YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A LOT OF THIS IN A PRESENTATION IN MARCH. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK TO PE AND BY THE END OF FEBRUARY WE WENT BACK TO P AND Z AND THIS WAS A REVISION TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT P AND Z SAW. SO WITH THIS 390 ACRES THAT WAS ANNEXED IN 2019 AND IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS, IT'S JUST ZONED BASICALLY OPEN SPACE, AGRICULTURE, IT'S THAT BIG GREEN SWATH THAT WE HAVE ON THE EAST SIDE. AND SO THE DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR FUTURE LANDS MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH THEY CAN DO. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE. EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD WANT TO RESIGN. IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THEY ARE MAKING SPACE FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AT THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ON THIS NORTH SIDE AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL. THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A SCHOOL SITE IN THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD END UP TALKING TO THE ISD ABOUT AND WHAT THEIR GROWTH PLANS ARE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. AND SO WITH THAT AND WITH THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE AND SAID, YES, WE CAN MAKE SPACE FOR THIS, AND SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING TO YOU TONIGHT WITH HERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERNAL OF THE LOT LAYOUTS BUT WE'RE COMING TO YOU WITH MORE SO IS JUST WE CAN MAKE SPACE FOR THIS WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE SERVICING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A LARGE SITE AND THESE ARE SO MANY THAT WILL BE COMING INTO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THIS SPACE. BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY UNDER REVIEW AND REVISION. SO WITH THAT, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE STAFF AND P AND Z REQUEST APPROVAL OF THIS FEATURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN THE UDC FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. WE COULD SEE NO REASON WITH THAT REVISION, ESPECIALLY WITH HOW HARD THE APPLICANT HAD WORKED FROM THAT FIRST CONDITION TO THE SECOND. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT OF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION. SO THIS IS WHEN IT'S OKAY WITH COUNSEL OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR OPEN UP FIRST COUNCIL COMMENT. SO WE'LL START THE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:39 P.M.. CERTAINLY ONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. AND THIS ORDINANCE. SEE NO ONE. WE WERE CLOSE. PUBLIC COMMENT. 839. AND OPEN IT UP TO CITY COUNCIL COMMENT. SO DID IT. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DEBATE. HOW MUCH OF A HOW MUCH OF A PAIN IS IT TO HAVE SOMEONE COME UP AND JUST KIND OF. IN A HYPOTHETICAL, LIKE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORD, BUT IT JUST KIND OF THROWING SOMETHING OUT. WE'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING TO THEN HEAR OUR COMMENTS AND THEN GO BACK TO THE PROCESS. IS THAT SPEED IT UP ANY OR IS IT BETTER FOR YOU ALL TO WORK ON STUFF AND THEN BRING IT UP AND THEN US SHOOT PARTS DOWN AND THEN IT GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD OR I THINK FOR SOMETIMES IT CAN HELP. I THINK IN THIS ONE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT AWKWARD BECAUSE THEY'D ALREADY SUBMITTED A FORMALLY I THINK IF IT'S DONE PRIOR TO A FORMAL PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL BEFORE THEY SUBMIT AND THEY PAY ALL THE FEES TO STAFF, IT CAN WORK BECAUSE THEN STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER CAN HEAR THE THEORIES. BUT USUALLY ONCE YOU'RE IN THE ACTUAL PROCESS AND YOU'VE BEEN TO Z AND BEEN TABLED, YOU WOULDN'T COME TO COUNCIL AND SHOW THEM THE NEW STUFF BEFORE YOU STARTED. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON THIS ONE, BUT IT DIDN'T SLOW US DOWN, SO. WE'RE GOOD. AND THE SECOND RENDITION ACTUALLY IS THEY REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT STAFF'S COMMENTS WERE. THEY LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE. AND SO WHAT YOU SAW AT THAT FIRST PRESENTATION AND THEN WHAT WENT BACK TO P AND Z IS THIS AND THIS WORKS. THIS IS A MUCH BETTER LAYOUT. THERE'S MORE COMMERCIAL INTERIOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT JUST HOMES. THEY'RE CREATING A COMMUNITY. SO IT WORKS A LOT BETTER. SO ASHLEY, YOU SAID THAT THEY ARE HAVING CONVERSATION OR THERE WILL BE A CONVERSATION [01:40:03] WITH ISD RELATED TO THIS. IF THAT WERE NOT TO BE THE CASE THAT THIS WAS A SCHOOL, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WOULD THAT JUST BE FILLED IN WITH HOUSES OR. CORRECT. YEAH, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY. SO BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY SCHOOLS CAN GO ANYWHERE, WE WOULD PREFER THEM NOT TO BE ON THOSE LARGER COMMERCIAL CORNERS. CERTAINLY, WE DON'T WANT THE KIDS WALKING IN THOSE LARGER COMMERCIAL CORNERS ANYMORE. SO IF IT'S INTERIOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULDN'T THEN PUT ANOTHER COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER USE. WE WOULD TRY TO DO EITHER SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT LOWER DENSITY OR POTENTIALLY EVEN HIGHER DENSITY JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE HOUSING PRICES AND THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. IF IT CAN'T BE A SCHOOL SITE, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OR QUASI SINGLE FAMILY, MAYBE SOME TOWNHOMES TO GET MORE THAT MISSING MIDDLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT WHAT IS. I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS THE ACREAGE FOR FOR PARKLAND. PARKLAND, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO THAT YET. PARKLAND IS GOING TO COME WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE ZONING AND THEN TO THE PLOTTING OF IT. WE DON'T ACTUALLY PUT PARKLAND ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE JUST ASSUME, LIKE WITH ONE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAD BEFORE TONIGHT, IT'S 20% OF OPEN SPACE. SO IF THERE IS A PARK OR TRAIL THAT WE DO NOT HAVE IN THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN, THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS DURING THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON THAT PLAN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE. SO IF THIS IS 390 ACRES AND. WE'RE LOOKING AT 24. I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE UTC SPECIFIC. I KNOW ON A PRIOR ON THE MULTIFAMILY, IT'S 20%. I THINK SINGLE FAMILY IS ABOUT THAT AND THEN THEY HAVE GREEN LINK REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE OPEN OR JUST LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. CERTAINLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING MAYBE A PHD ON THIS, I THINK WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE AND SAY MAYBE YOU CAN GET A SMALLER LOT, BUT WE HAVE SOME REALLY BIG COMMUNAL OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT THE HOA WILL BE TAKING CARE OF. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS ONCE WE GET PAST. YES, THE IDEA OF THIS USE IS ALLOWED. SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP. WE'RE ABOUT AN A OUT OF THE ALPHABET ON WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH BETWEEN ZONING AND PLOTTING AND THE REST OF IT TO BE ABLE TO FINALLY GET OFF THE GROUND. BUT WE WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. 75 ACRES. RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE IN A DEVELOPMENT THIS SIZE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT NOT BE ONE OF THE LATTER THINGS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GOING IN HERE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THEY YOU KNOW, THEY YOU CAN TOUCH THE SIDE FENCE FROM THE HOUSE AND THERE'S THERE'S NO SPACE. SO PEOPLE PEOPLE NEED SOME SPACE. REALLY? UNDERSTOOD. WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT DURING ZONING. I GUESS KIND OF RELATED TO THAT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'LL BE A FEE IN LIEU OF PARK SPACE. LAND IS GETTING INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT FEE? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. I THINK THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED A FEW YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY CAME BACK, BUT CERTAINLY I CAN CHECK WITH STEPH WHEN I GET BACK TO THE BACK AND SEE. BUT WE COULD ALWAYS BRING THAT FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO. I THINK WE GOT MY TEAM. SO OF COURSE NOT PROMISING OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK. NO, BUT I THINK I THINK WE NEED AN AGENDA ITEM ON THAT TO BRING THAT BACK, TO MAKE SURE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN AND THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO GIVE US PARKLAND, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US MONEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GIVING US ENOUGH MONEY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACQUIRE PARKLAND TO INCREASE THE PARK SPACE IN THE CITY. YEAH, I AGREE. AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT THAT FEE GOING TO THE PARKS FOUNDATION OR DOES IT GO TO THE CITY? MAYBE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE BRING THAT UP TO SEE WHO CONTROLS THOSE FUNDS. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. ACTION ITEMS FROM COUNCIL. ACTUALLY, NO, THIS IS JUST THE FLOOD. BUT DO YOU KNOW, ARE THEY TRYING TO DO LIKE SF ONE, SF TWO? THEY REALLY COULD DO A WHOLE MYRIAD OF THINGS. BUT I'M REALLY HOPING WHAT WE SEE IN THE FUTURE IS MAYBE SOME MORE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS SO WE CAN GET SOME HIGHER AND BETTER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. CERTAINLY WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO THE KIND OF THAT LAST FRONTIER OF THE CITY OF HUTTO ON THAT EAST SIDE, I THINK WE COULD REALLY DO SOME INTERESTING THINGS HERE. YOU COULD DO SF ONE. SF TWO AS OF TWO IS OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY. BUT IF WE WERE TO DO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN GET A MYRIAD OF THOSE DENSITIES AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO GET THE HOPEFULLY GET THEN SAY OC GREAT. YOU HAVE SMALLER LOTS MORE OPEN SPACE OFF SITE THAT'S ACTUALLY USABLE. SO YOU'RE NOT JUST GETTING THOSE GREEN LINKS, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING PLACES WHERE [01:45:01] PEOPLE CAN GO AND GATHER. I THINK YOU CAN GET A DIFFERENT QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CODIFY. MAYBE WE JUST LEAVE IT IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. BUT CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL. WE NEED THAT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LARGER EMPLOYERS COMING IN IN THE VICINITY. GOTCHA. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S FUN, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING FOR COMMERCIAL LIKE B1, B2, LIKE DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF FLOOR PLAN FOR THOSE? I HAVE NOT HEARD ON THAT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT AS A STAFF AND THEN BRING THAT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IS, OF COURSE, ON THAT SOUTHEAST LOOP. I THINK YOU CAN GO A LOT HIGHER INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL, BUT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO OTHER HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE A MORE WALKABLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, NOT AS MANY DRIVE THRUS, THINGS LIKE THAT, A LITTLE BIT LOWER INTENSITY JUST TO KIND OF BLEND IN WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WITH THOSE SURROUNDING USES. SO YOU DON'T END UP WITH PEOPLE HAVING DRIVE THRUS IN THEIR BACKYARDS. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE ESRD QUESTION. IS THAT ONE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KIND OF. PLAN TO DONATE, OR IS THIS AGAIN ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE SCHOOL AND THEN THEY MARK UP THE LAND FOR THE ISD, SO IT'S OUT OF REACH. I HAVE NOT HEARD WE HAVE NOT STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS YET. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO RESTART THE EVERY 6 TO 8 WEEKS MEETINGS WITH THE ISD SO THAT THE ISD IS AWARE OF THIS ONE. BUT WE JUST WANT TO START HAVING THOSE MEETINGS. AND SO WHEN WE NEED TO, WE CAN PULL IN THE DEVELOPER AND THAT'S TO BE MORE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE ISD. I TRY TO STAY OUT OF INFLUENCING, BUT CERTAINLY A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN GET THE DONATIONS, YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF TRADE OFF THERE BECAUSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, FOR THE MOST PART, OR EVEN MIDDLE SCHOOLS, CAN ACTUALLY RAISE YOUR HOME PRICE. SO DEVELOPERS SOMETIMES LIKE THAT. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO PLANT THOSE SEEDS. ASHLEY. SIR, I RAISED MY HAND EARLIER. I TOTALLY FORGOT WHERE I WAS. SO KNOWING THAT THIS THE STROMBERG SITE AND REMEMBERING WHEN HOLDEN JAMIE WERE HERE LAST TIME AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT REALLY WANTING TO MAKE THIS AN APPEALING SITE FOR THE WORKERS THAT ARE MADE AT SAMSUNG AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING SATELLITE BUSINESSES THAT COME IN. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN THIS EARLY PLANNING STAGE TO PARTNER WITH CAPE COD AND CITY OF TAYLOR ON AN EXTENSION OF CARTS NOW FOR TRANSPORTATION, THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THAT THEY HAVE. WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I JUST THINK WITH 132 WHERE IT IS AND KNOWING THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE CARTS NOW PRETTY. SOLIDIFIED IN TAYLOR THAT MIGHT BE A NICE AMENITY TO TO GET STARTED ON IN THE CITY THIS WOULD BE A PLACE TO TO START IT OUT FIRST, THEN MAYBE MORE ANTERIORLY BUT. WE CAN CERTAINLY WRITE THAT DOWN WITH THE AND WE DO HAVE ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS REPRESENTATIVES IS HERE, SO THEY'RE LISTENING AS WELL. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT INTO THE THE NOTES ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. THAT WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF ONE IS SO DESERVED FOR THIS. I MOVED TO ACCEPT ITEM 10.3 IS PRESENTED. A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER OF VILLARREAL SALVO. APPROVED IN TEN THREE IS PRESENTED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MOTION? KERRY NONE IS CALLED THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I. MAYOR SNYDER I. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND, I. RUSSIAN PASSED A70. IF YOU'D LIKE. THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO WAVE A SECOND READING ON THIS ONE. ANYBODY WISH TO DO THAT? I MOVED YOUR WAY. THE SECOND READING ON ITEM 10.3. SECOND. PUSHED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY SECTOR BY COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. ESPECIALLY IN THIS SECOND READING. AUDIENCE MEMBER 2020 2012 ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? REGARDING THE MOTION. GARY NAIRN, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. REMEMBER GORDON, I. COUNCIL MEMBER. VILLARREAL SALVO I. MAYOR SNYDER I. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. I. MAYOR PRO TEM. THORNTON I. PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. I GUESS WE'LL GIVE YOU A BREAK FOR A MINUTE, HUH? YES, PLEASE. ITEM TEN FOR ITS NEXT CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER [10.4. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-013 amending the budget for the fiscal year of October 1, 2021 through September 30, 2022, by appropriating and setting aside the necessary funds for additional expenditures, in accordance with existing statutory requirements; finding municipal purposes; providing for a severability clause; and providing for an effective date. (First Reading) (Angie Rios)] OH 2020 2-013 AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OF OCTOBER 1ST, 2021 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 2022. [01:50:01] BY APPROPRIATING AND SETTING ASIDE THE NECESSARY FUNDS FOR ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXISTING STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, FINDING MUNICIPAL PURPOSES, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. LOVE, ANGIE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO BEFORE YOU HAVE A SET OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THE BIGGEST PART OF THESE AMENDMENTS IS TO MOVE SOME FUNDS AROUND FOR ENGINEERING, BUT ALSO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR ENGINEERING COSTS. WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO FILL ENGINEERING POSITIONS AND AS SUCH HAVE HAD TO CONTRACT OUT SOME OF THAT WORK. AND SO THAT'S COSTING A LITTLE MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED. SO THE FIRST WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS TO MOVE THOSE SALARIES INTO AN AREA WHERE WE CAN USE THE SALARIES THAT WERE BUDGETED FOR THOSE POSITIONS AND THEN TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL HALF MILLION DOLLARS, ACTUALLY 575 ROUGHLY FOR ENGINEERING COST IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO IN THE UTILITY FUND, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE SAME TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT WHERE WE'LL MOVE ONE OF THE ENGINEERING POSITIONS WAS BUDGETED THERE AND THOSE ENGINEERING COSTS THAT ARE RELATED TO WATER AND WASTEWATER, WE DO CHARGE TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY FUND. SO WE'RE MOVING THAT SALARY OVER AND THEN REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL $365,000 IN THAT FUND. I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, THERE WAS A LITTLE OVER 1.1 MILLION LEFT ON THE BOTTOM LINE. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT ALL THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS I BROUGHT TO YOU, THEY WOULD TOTAL 9.80. BUT IN MY MIND, IN MY OPINION, 700,000. THAT'S ACTUALLY MONEY THAT WASN'T SPENT IN LAST YEAR AND WE CARRIED THAT FORWARD. IT'S THE COMP PLAN AND POLICE CARS. SO REALLY WE'VE ONLY BUDGETED TO 80, IN MY OPINION OF THE 1.1. SO EVEN ADDING THIS 575 IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE STILL HAVE NOT APPROPRIATED ALL THE 1.1 THAT WOULD THAT WAS LEFT ON THAT BOTTOM LINE WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET. SO WE ARE HOWEVER ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 100 AND WE CAN SEE ALMOST 200,000 DOWN ON THE BOTTOM LINE TO ADD THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM BACK FOR, WELL, ACTUALLY 100,000 BACK TO FOR THE CITY TO DO THE SUMMER PROGRAM AGAIN. SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR STAFFING TO HIRE CAMP COUNSELORS AND FOR ALL OF THE SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS AND TO PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD BE AN ADD TO THE BUDGET. IF WE DO ALL OF THAT AND WE GET ALL THE KIDS IN THAT, WE WANT TO ACTUALLY BE A NET ZERO BECAUSE ALL OF THE FEES COLLECTED FROM THE KIDS ENROLLED WILL OFFSET ALL OF THOSE COSTS. BUT FOR NOW, TO GET IT STARTED, WE NEED 100,000 BUDGET INCREASE TO GO AHEAD AND START HIRING EMPLOYEES AND SO THAT JEFF CAN START BOOKING SOME OF THE EXCURSIONS THEY WOULD TAKE AND TRYING TO DO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AND SECURING TRANSPORTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE IS A THIRD ITEM IN THERE TO JUST BUT IT'S JUST A CLASS OF SOME SALARIES IN THERE. SO THAT'S NOT A CHANGE, AN INCREASE TO THE BUDGET. IT'S JUST MOVING THEM FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER WHERE WE HAD THE FILL SERVICES MANAGER BUDGET. THAT POSITION SAT EMPTY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE WE FILLED IT. SO WE'VE HAD TO HIRE A CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR A LITTLE HIGHER COST THAN WE HAD BUDGETED IN THE BUDGET. SO WE'RE JUST MOVING THAT OVER TO COVER THAT FOR FOR THIS YEAR. AS DISCUSSING THE UTILITY FUND. WE'RE JUST ADDING SOME MORE ENGINEERING COSTS, MOVING THOSE AROUND AND ADDING THAT IN THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE FUND, WE'RE ADDING A FEW. I DID NOT I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE HAD SIGNED ANOTHER CONTRACT TO REVIEW THOSE IMPACT FEES AGAIN. AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN UPDATE TO IT BASED ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE HAD THAT NEEDS. SO IT NEEDS SOME UPDATES IN THERE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS IN THE UTILITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, WHERE WE DO STILL ACTUALLY HAVE BOND MONEY AVAILABLE TO BE SPENT. AND IT'S ALLOCATED TO THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS YOU SEE LISTED HERE. SO THE ONE THE HIGHWAY 79 DISTRIBUTION LINE HAS BEEN AWARDED FOR CONSTRUCTION EARLIER IN THE YEAR. WE AWARDED THAT THIS, BUT THIS IS TO ADD THE ACTUAL DESIGN. I WASN'T AWARE OF HOW MUCH OF THE DESIGN WAS STILL LEFT. AND THEN THE OTHER THREE ONES, THE FINAL PAYMENT ON THE LAKESIDE LIFT STATION AND THEN THE GLENWOOD INTERCEPTOR AND THE TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION PUMPING PROJECTS ARE IN DESIGN. THOSE CONTRACTS WERE ACTUALLY AWARDED IN 2019 AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THOSE. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A STOP AND START ON THAT, BUT THIS WILL PICK THAT UP AND FINISH THOSE. AND LIKE I SAY, THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THERE IN THE BOND FUND. SO. COOL. THANK YOU, ANGIE. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. SO THIS IS THE LAST PAYMENT ON THE LAKESIDE LIVE STATION, CORRECT? IT IS. IT JUST UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET. THERE WAS A HOLDUP ON FINISHING THAT PROJECT, VEGETATION AND STUFF, I BELIEVE. SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE FINAL PAYMENT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. SO IT WASN'T BUDGETED BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO FINISH THAT LAST YEAR, BUT WE DIDN'T. ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION. I REMEMBER FROM THE FORENSIC AUDIT, IT SEEMED TO ME. [01:55:02] WE HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, THE SUMMER PROGRAM, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME THE FEES WERE GOING STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL REVENUE. SOME OF THE FEES THAT COME IN, WILL THEY GO BACK TO THAT LINE TO OFFSET THAT COST OR WERE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO GO INTO REVENUE? THEY HAVE TO. RIGHT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE WILL END UP BEING A NET TO THE GENERAL FUND AS A NET ZERO WHEN YOU TAKE THE REVENUE AND THEN YOU TAKE THE EXPENDITURES THAT THAT WERE PROJECTING FOR THAT. IS THERE A WAY TO DO SOME SORT OF. SOME SORT OF SUBGROUP TO ME, I GUESS. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE PROGRAM IS EVEN WORTH DOING? I MEAN, LIKE RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS REALLY GREAT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A PROGRAM AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THE COST WILL COME CLOSE TO COVENANT. BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IN A YEAR OR TWO WE'RE NOT SPENDING 150,000 AND ONLY BRINGING IN, SAY, 25,000? IF WE CAN DO WHAT YOU CAN REQUEST TO HAVE DONE FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS HAVE THEM COME BACK TO YOU AT THE END OF EACH SEASON OF THAT AND PRESENT WE CAN AFTER WE'VE PAID ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND ALL THE COST. AND WHEN WE'VE COLLECTED ALL THE FEES, WE CAN PRESENT THAT TO YOU. I CAN ALONG WITH THEM, I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL OF THE COST IN THE REVENUES IN THAT SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. YEAH, THE REVENUES ARE TRACKED IN AN ACCOUNT THAT IS FOR PARKS. I MEAN, IT IS A PARKS REVENUE LINE. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN THE DETAIL. YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY DIFFERENT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY REVENUE STREAMS WE HAVE COME INTO THE PARKS. IT CAN'T BE THAT MUCH, RIGHT. NOT RIGHT. NO. WE HAVE SOME LIKE FACILITY RENTALS AND THINGS RIGHT NOW. NOT A LOT IN THERE, BUT THAT'S COOL. THAT'LL WORK. YES. SO THERE'S 7,361,000, AT LEAST IN THE CAPITAL, THE UTILITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. THERE IS. HOW MUCH TOTAL IS THERE? A LITTLE UNDER 14 MILLION. OC. IS ALL OF IT ALLOCATED TO SOMETHING? SOME OF IT IS TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. OKAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH TO START THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PUMPING BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PIECES OF THAT ONE. SO I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH TO DO THAT. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL DEBT TO DO GLENWOOD AND TO FINISH THE TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION PUMPING. AND SO THIS 7 MILLION, 7.3 MILLION IS SITTING IN THE BANK. IT'S SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. GOOD TO KNOW. AND THAT'S BEEN CONFIRMED, OF COURSE, BECAUSE WE HAD BOND AUDIO. WE CAN I CAN SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY. IT'S GREAT TO KNOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EMOTIONS. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GLAD TO SEE THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM COMING BACK. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT WHEN SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE COMING BACK AND THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR WITH PEOPLE GOING BACK TO WORK AND NOT BEING AT HOME OVER THE SUMMER, IT'S GOING TO HELP PEOPLE OUT WITH WITH WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO SPEND, SPEND, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF THEIR DAYS OR CERTAIN WEEKS OR WHATEVER IT IS. HOWEVER, IF YOU WORK THAT OUT, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF FLEXIBLE AND PEOPLE KIND OF USE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS, CHOOSE DIFFERENT WEEKS AND DO IT. AND SO IT'S A IT'S A HELPFUL PROGRAM FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT BREAK EVEN ON IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE HARD TO PREDICT THE DEMAND AND EVERYTHING. BUT WE'LL LEARN FROM THIS YEAR, GO FORWARD FROM THERE. AND IT'S IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE OUT THERE. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY RELISHES SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON ENGINEERING, BUT THE GROWTH WAS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB MARKET. AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THIS CITY THAT. I MEAN, WE NEEDED TO UPGRADE THE ENGINEERING WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO IT'S COSTING MONEY. AND THAT'S JUST IT IS A TOUGH, TOUGH MARKET FOR ENGINEERS. I MEAN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE HAVING THAT TROUBLE. AND YOUR KIDS TO ENGINEERING THOSE. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. TO COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON'S POINT ABOUT THE RECREATION SUMMER PROGRAM. I KNOW THIS ISN'T IN YOUR PURVIEW, BUT COULD NOT NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IF YOU'RE NOT READY. BUT MAYBE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE IT FLESHED OUT, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT AND JUST KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE INSTITUTING FOR THIS YEAR. BUT I'M SURE YOU ALREADY HAVE AN IDEA SINCE YOU ASKED FOR MONEY. YOU READY TO GO? JEFF IS READY. RIGHT UP. NICE EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCILOR JEFF WHITE, PARK SUPERINTENDENT. AS YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECREATION PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR WAYS WE DO THAT IS THROUGH OUR PARK KIDS SUMMER PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS. I GO BACK TO 2006. I'M LOOKING AT COUNCILMEMBER HAALAND PROBABLY CAN TESTIFY. IT GOES BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT. AND SO THIS PROGRAM HAS TOUCHED SO MANY KIDS LIVES. IT'S PROVIDED PARENTS JUST A SAFE PLACE FOR THEIR KIDS TO BE. WE UTILIZE OUR INDEPENDENCE, OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH ISD TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION AND A SITE AND NO CHARGE FOR THE SITE. THE TRANSPORTATION IS A FEE, BUT AT GAS PRICES, WE'RE GETTING A GOOD DEAL RIGHT NOW. WE PROVIDE FIELD TRIPS, GUEST SPEAKERS, LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES. [02:00:02] IT'S OPEN FOR KIDS 5 TO 12. SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PARENTS TO TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR KIDS THIS SUMMER. JUST 5 TO 12, JUST 5 TO 12. BUT WE ARE LOOKING OBVIOUSLY TO BE HIRING FOR THAT. SO WE'RE HIRING A COUPLE OF CAMP DIRECTORS AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF CAMP COUNSELORS TO TO TO WORK THAT WE HAVE A RATIO THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OF 15 CHILDREN PER ONE STAFF. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT. AND WE OPERATE THE CAMP FROM, LIKE I SAID, 7 TO 6 DURING THE DAY. THAT'S AWESOME. THANKS, JEFF. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. JEFF, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO CAP ENROLLMENT AT? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO INTERNALLY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW OPTIONS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY AROUND 74 PEOPLE THAT WOULD GIVE US A GOOD NUMBER TO TO TO SHOOT FOUR PREVIOUS YEARS. IN 2000, UP TO 2018, WE HAD 50 AND IN 2019, WE TOOK ON 100 KIDS. I WAS GOING TO SAY SO THANK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HIT IT REALLY, REALLY FAST. I'M SURE WE WILL. AND MY SCHOOL, WE JUST OPENED IT UP JUST TO EXISTING FAMILIES AND IT WAS FULL. WITHIN THE WEEK WE USUALLY SEND OUT FLIERS AND EVERYTHING TO ROUND ROCK IZED. WE DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT THIS YEAR. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. YEAH, OUR SPOTS FEEL LIKE THAT. SO I WISH YOU GUYS LUCK. YEAH. THE CAMP OPERATE FROM JUNE 6TH TO AUGUST 12TH, AND LIKE I SAID, WE RELY HEAVILY ON OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE ISD TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE TRANSPORTATIONS FOR FIELD TRIPS, BECAUSE WE'LL GO ALL ACROSS AUSTIN AREA TO LET THE KIDS EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE UNIQUE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR. DRIVING DISTANCES. THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. YEAH, THANKS. WE HAD THEM ALL TEED UP AND READY FOR YOU. BUT OTHER QUESTIONS. IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. HEREIN? NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON. I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT 10.4 PRESENTED IN A SECOND. I DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO BE THE FIRST ONE SAYING I'M GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY. SORRY. CANCEL TONIGHT'S EPISODE EARLIER, AS I SAY IT. IT'S GOING TO COME OUT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MAKE COMES FROM GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO APPROVING ITEM TEN FOR THE ORDINANCE HAS PRESENTED ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM. KERRY NUNN PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. MAYOR SCHNEIDER, I WAS A MEMBER OF VILLARREAL SALVO. I WISH TO THE SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER. IS THIS ONE THAT CAN BE. WE CAN. NOPE. BECAUSE OF BUDGET, RIGHT? THE BIGGEST ITEM TEN FIVE CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON [10.5. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-009 approving a Specific Use Permit for the property known as Hippo Café, 109 East Front Street, to allow a drive-thru window and approach. (Second Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020 2009 APPROVING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS HIPPO CAFE 109 EAST FRONT STREET TO ALLOW A DRIVE THRU WINDOW AND APPROACH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A MINUTE OR TWO. THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY REQUESTED TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TONIGHT. WE WILL BE COMING BACK ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SITES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW YOU WITH THE CONDITIONS AT THE LAST READING, HOW THAT DRIVE THRU WOULD WORK. SO THEY JUST NEEDED A LITTLE ADDITIONAL TIME TO LOOK AT THE SITE. OKAY. WE'LL TABLE THAT. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM TEN SIX CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER [10.6. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-001 for the proposed Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning request for the property known as NorthStar Hutto Planned Unit Development (PUD), 11.74 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Exchange Boulevard. The land use proposal is active adult 55+ multi-family use. (Second Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin).] 2022, DASH 2001 FOR THE PROPOSED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HUD ZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS NORTHSTAR HUD, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HUD 11.74 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF EXCHANGE BOULEVARD. THE LAND USE PROPOSALS ACTIVE ADULT 55 PLUS MULTIFAMILY USE. SO THIS ONE YOU HAVE HEARD FROM A FEW TIMES AT THE LAST, I BELIEVE AT THE MARCH 17TH MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED. THE APPLICANT IS BACK BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD SAID AS A BOARD TO OR COUNSEL TO PLEASE COME BACK IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AS IT WAS APPROVED. THERE WAS A LETTER IN YOUR DROPBOX TODAY AS PART OF THAT AS KIND OF THEIR RESPONSE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO THEM AT THIS POINT. EVENING, MR. MAYOR, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO WHEN WE WERE LAST TOGETHER ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS LEASING REQUIREMENT GOING INTO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, AND IT WAS APPROVED. THE ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED WITH THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. [02:05:02] BUT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS GO BACK AND SPEAK WITH YOUR LENDER PREDOMINANTLY AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN CAN AGREE TO. SO WE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THEM. FIRST, A PHONE CALL IN AN IN PERSON. AND BASICALLY THEY LOOK AT IT LIKE WE THOUGHT THEY MIGHT, WHICH IS IT'S A USE RESTRICTION. SO THEY SAID NO. AND I THINK THEY SPOKE WITH THEIR APPRAISER THAT THEY USED AND THEY KIND OF CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THEY LOOKED AT IT AS A USE RESTRICTION RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY MADE A LOAN ON OUT OF THE GATE. SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE TO. BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE STILL ON BOARD WITH INCORPORATING ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AS PART OF THE POD. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. AND WE'RE JUST AT THIS POINT TO OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY, AND ASK THAT YOU GUYS TAKE A VOTE ON THE PUD WITHOUT THE THE THE USE RESTRICTION OR THE LEASING REQUIREMENT RATHER. BUT IT IS OUR INTENT, AGAIN, TO OPERATE THIS DEAL AS A 55 PLUS ACTIVE ADULT COMPLEX. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED EITHER. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE WE'VE JUST KICKED OFF THE ROAD. THE ROAD WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO WE'RE KIND OF THE THIRD PIECE IN THAT OVERALL HUDL LANDING. SO WE'VE PUT UP A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY TO DO THAT ROAD AS WELL. THE ACTUAL LAND, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS LAND THAT WE ACQUIRED. SO WE'RE CONVEYING THAT LAND AS WELL IN ORDER TO GET THAT ROAD DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL. BUT OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT JUST KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, THE LENDERS JUST SAID YOU CAN'T DO IT. YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A USE RESTRICTION. WE MADE A LOAN ON LAND THAT IS ZONED MULTIFAMILY AND THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A DETRACTION TO OR DEGRADATION TO VALUE IF THIS WERE TO BE KIND OF IMPOSED. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE OUR OUR PLANS AT ALL RELATIVE TO WHAT WE WILL BUILD AND WHAT WE WILL OPERATE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING BACK. I APPRECIATE IT. AND YOU GUYS REALLY PUTTING THE GOOD FAITH EFFORT IN THERE AND REALLY TRYING. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE OF TIMES AND PRETTY TOUGH QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE SPIRIT AND THE SENTIMENT HAS BEEN THERE. AND I FEEL LIKE ALMOST ALL OF OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS YOU GUYS FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH AND KIND OF IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON OR EXCUSE ME, PRO TEM THORNTON'S COMMENTS EARLIER. I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS A FANTASTIC PRODUCT. IT ANSWERS A LOT OF NEEDS FOR HOW TO WIN THE DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING. AND IF WE LET IT GO, JUST A COMMERCIAL RATE, WHAT COULD BE THERE INSTEAD? IS GOING TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY. IT MAY NOT LOOK QUITE AS NICE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF ARE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON A LOT OF THOSE UPGRADES FOR THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS, THE ELEVATORS. SO FOR ME, THE 55 PLUS OR THE ACTIVE FAMILY, WHILE I KNOW YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT IN PERPETUITY, FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN. AS YOU'VE STATED SEVERAL TIMES, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HARD AND NOT FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL FOR THAT INSTITUTION TO CHANGE IT FROM 55 PLUS TO THAT COMMERCIAL RATE. AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND TO COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY'S POINT, I MEAN, REGARDLESS OF THE 55 AND OVER STIPULATION IN PERPETUITY, WE'RE GETTING A REALLY GREAT MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX IS GOING TO HAVE ELEVATORS, WHICH IS NOT NORMAL FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. YOU'RE DOING STRUCTURAL BLOCKING, LOW PROFILE SHOWERS, HEATED HOT TUB AND SPA, WHICH IS SUPER NICE FOR THE ELDERLY COMMUNITY. AND THOSE OF US THAT HAVE ARTHRITIS, ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK PATHWAYS, AMENITY AREAS, THE DETACHED GARAGES, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT THAT Y'ALL ARE PUTTING IN THAT'S EXTRA AND BONUS AND OVER THE BASIC NEEDS OF A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY POPULAR OPTION FOR THIS DEMOGRAPHIC. SO I'M VERY HAPPY WITH IT. AND AGAIN, YOU ALL DID WORK REALLY HARD BY COMING TO COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES AND WORKING WITH OUR ATTORNEYS AND WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO STILL TRY TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. AND YOU ALL TOOK ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T ALWAYS LIKE THE MOST FRIENDLY OF QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU WORKED WITH IT. AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF GOOD DEVELOPERS WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH AND HOW TO. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL AND JUST ECHO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL [02:10:03] SALVO AND COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY SAID. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT AND DONE DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME UP THERE ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. I THINK THIS IS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR US MOVING FORWARD AS A CITY THAT WE HAVE A VISION FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN APARTMENTS BEING MARKETED TO 55 PLUS, SO THAT WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN AND PITCH THESE PROJECTS, THEY KNOW WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF A GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL STAY AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING YOU COULD AT THIS POINT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. WELL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THIS. ANY TIME A PERSON COMES UP AND SAYS THINGS VERBALLY BUT CAN'T FIND A WAY TO PUT IT IN WRITING. YOU HEARD THE BEGINNING. THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH ATTORNEYS IN THE PAST, VERBAL NESS. JUST I JUST CAN NEVER GET BEHIND VERBAL. IT'S ONLY 14 MORE MINUTES IF YOU DON'T GO. SENIOR HOUSING. SO THE ARGUMENT THAT WE DRAMATICALLY HELP OUT WITH OUR DENSITY, WE'RE TALKING 14 DIFFERENT UNITS. MOST OF THE STUFF THAT MEMBERS HAD TALKED ABOUT, THE LOW PROFILE AND ALL THAT, YOU GUYS COULDN'T EVEN COMMIT TO PUTTING CERTAIN THINGS IN BECAUSE YOU WERE AFRAID OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND. ME PERSONALLY PUTTING BLOCKS BEHIND THE WALL TO HELP WITH THINGS. I DON'T SEE THAT AS SOME MAJOR VALUE ADD ON THAT ALMOST ANY OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX COULDN'T DO IF THEY WANT TO GET RENTS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A DEGRADATION DEGRADATION IN VALUE TO YOUR LENDER. I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE MARKETED WHEN YOU SELL IT AS A MULTIFAMILY AND NOT AS A SENIOR HOUSING. SO AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A MARKETING ISSUE FOR YOU AND A FINANCIAL ISSUE. AND FOR ME, I JUST CANNOT, BASED ON WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN MY SHORT TIME IN HUTTO, I CANNOT I JUST CAN'T GET BEHIND ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN IN STONE. AND SO I DO HOPE THAT EVERYTHING WORKS OUT. I DO HOPE THAT IT STAYS 55 FOREVER BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED IT. I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE RENTS TO OUR PERSON ON FIXED INCOME THAT 67 YEARS OLD COULD SOMEHOW STAY IN A PLACE THAT. THE RENTS ARE GOING TO BE DRAMATICALLY RISING, BUT. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING BACK. JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS BY DEFINITION LEGALLY ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 80% HAS TO BE WITHIN THAT AGE RANGE UNLESS FOR WHATEVER REASON, UNFORESEEN TO YOU ALL. AT THIS MOMENT, A FUTURE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY DECIDES TO REMOVE ALL OF THE RENTERS AND START FROM SCRATCH WITH THE DEEDS AND EVERYTHING AGAIN. RIGHT? SO, SO LONG AS THERE'S A LEASE IN PLACE THAT HAS THAT ADDENDUM, WHICH IT WILL HAVE WHILE WE'RE OPERATING IT. SO FROM THAT, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IT'S 80% OR BETTER. SO SOMEBODY, IF THEY WANTED TO CONVERT IT, WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN TO ZERO AND THEN START ALL OVER. AND AT THAT POINT, THEIR BRANDING AND MARKETING, IT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER PRESUMABLY ILLEGAL. THEY WOULD LOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DO THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST 14 UNITS. IT'S ALL OF THOSE UPGRADES, THE ELEVATORS, THE OUTSIDE. WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING WAY MORE THAN WELL INTO THE SEVEN FIGURES, MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD SPEND OTHERWISE IF WE WERE DOING PROBABLY TWO OR $3 MILLION TO BE TO BE HONEST, AS IF IT WAS COST EFFECTIVE, EVERYBODY WOULD DO IT. RIGHT. ALL THE STRUCTURAL ASSETS, YOU'VE GOT TO YOU HAVE TO BUILD A DIFFERENT PRODUCT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE AND CATER TO THIS PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC. AND WE'RE DOING JUST THAT. AND THE TRAILS AT CARMEL CARMEL CREEK DO HAVE THE SLIDING SKILLS FOR THOSE SENIORS ON THE LOWER INCOME OR ON A FIXED INCOME. I BELIEVE THERE'S A ROUGHLY IN THE HIGH FORTIES THERE, AND ONLY 12 OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY RESERVED FOR COMMERCIAL. SO MOST OF THOSE PRESENT THERE ARE ON THE SLIDING SCALE. SO THE WAITLIST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I KNOW IS OVER TWO YEARS LONG FOR COMMERCIAL RATE PRICE FOR THOSE AGE RANGES. SO I THINK THAT THE NEED IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE THERE AND FILL THAT NICHE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10.6 AS PRESENTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO. APPROVING TEN SIX IS PRESENTED. IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. I DIDN'T GET IT. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THIS PRODUCT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR THE AREA AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY SEEING IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK. BUT PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I MAYOR SCHNEIDER, NEI MAYOR PRO [02:15:03] TEM THORNTON I. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE. THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 11 ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION [11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2022-033 approving the Transportation Impact Fee Credit and Developer Participation Agreement between the City of Hutto and MA Durango Farms, LLC, in the amount of $1,017,080.00; and authorizing the Interim City Manager to execute the agreement. (Matt Wojnowski, Legal)] 2022, DASH 033, APPROVING THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE CREDIT AND DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND INMA DURANGO FARMS, LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,017,080 AND AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. MATT. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD. COUNSEL THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR A TRANSPORTATION BACK FEE CREDIT TO DURANGO FARMS FOR A LITTLE OVER $1,000,000. THEY'LL BE BUILDING A PROJECT THAT WISHES IN OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND THIS IS A CREDIT TO THEIR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DURANGO FARMS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. YEAH. I JUST WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THEIR IS IT THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING OR WHAT IS WHAT IS THE WORK THEY'RE DOING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR CREDIT FOR? YEAH. SO THEY'RE ALONG 1660 MEGA LANE ADDING THE TURN LANE. OKAY. AND THEY TURNED THAT IN LIKE IT WAS A THREE WAY INTERSECTION. THEY'VE TURNED IT INTO A FOUR WAY, SO I THINK THEY HAD TO WIDEN IT TO. IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING? I CAN'T QUITE RECALL. YEAH. ON PAGE 211 OF THE PACKET HAS THE PROJECT THEY WERE DOING OC. I THINK I REMEMBER THIS JUST BEING PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION. NOT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR. A CREDIT. BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG ISSUE AS TO HOW THEY WERE GOING TO GET SO MANY PEOPLE IN WITH THAT ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF 1660. IT WAS JUST MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND IT. EXACTLY. AND IT WAS THERE WERE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPACTED. I MEAN, ALL TOWN STREETS AND WE ALL AGREE, THEY KIND OF SHOULD HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING MORE OF THAT WORK. SO I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TO US IS THAT WAS JUST PART OF THE DEAL TO GET THE DEAL DONE WITHOUT THE CREDIT. WITH THE PIT. WITH THE PIT? YEAH. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE I'D ALMOST HAVE TO GO BACK AND SPEND THE TIME. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PIT FUNDING ABOUT US, I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER SPENDING TIME TO GO BACK AND LOOK. BUT I ALMOST REMEMBER THAT BEING ONE OF THE, QUOTE, COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT BY DOING THIS THERE'S GOING TO BE AN UPGRADE TO TAKE A THREE WAY SIGNAL TO A FOUR WAY OR A TWO WAY TO FOUR WAY, HOWEVER IT WENT. AND SO I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED THAT SOMEHOW THEY GET ALL THEIR DEVELOPMENT MONEY BACK. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IF I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 211, IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS INCORRECT. ALL THE PORTION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IS FOR THAT SECOND ENTRANCE THAT WE ASKED FOR. YEAH. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE FURTHER ON THE RIGHT OF THE PAGE. THAT'S WHERE THE FOUR WAY INTERSECTION IS. THEY'RE NOT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THAT, BUT THEY ARE ADDING A BIG CELL LANE AND A TURN INTO THE SECOND. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? AM I READING THAT RIGHT? YES, I THINK SO. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE FOR THE THE MULTIFAMILY AREA. YEAH. AREA ENTRANCES, 1660. MM HMM. YEAH. YEAH. THEY WERE GOING TO I REMEMBER THEM. JUDD WELLMAN WITH H.R. GREEN HERE REPRESENTING MA PARTNERS. SO THE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE IMPACT FEES BEING IN PLACE. AND SO THE DEVELOPER HAS PAID FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS JUST NOT HAVING TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES ON TOP OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVEN'T BEEN DONE YET. NO, THEY'RE NOT COMPLETE YET, BUT THEY ARE PAYING FOR THEM. YOU SAID THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR. I'M SORRY. THEY'VE CONTRACTED FOR THE ENGINEERING WORK AND THE DESIGN. THE WORK. THE DESIGN WORK IS ALMOST COMPLETE AND PERMITTED. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE AND PERMITTED, THEN THEY WILL PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS TOTALING ROUGHLY $1.3 MILLION AND THE IMPACT FEES WOULD THEN BE PAID ON TOP OF THAT 1.3 MILLION. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A CREDIT OF THE IMPACT FEES. IT'S PAYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IN LIEU OF PAYING THE IMPACT FEES AND THEN THE IMPACT FEES BEING USED TO PAY THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY DON'T GET DOUBLE DIPPED IN THAT PROCESS. [02:20:06] SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE ONE ENTRANCE THAT WE HAVE TO DURANGO WAS BASICALLY ALREADY THERE BECAUSE IT WAS THE MAJOR 1660 INTERSECTION. THEY HAD TO PUT IT IN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. SO. THAT'S A GIVEN. THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. THE TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING INTO THAT COMMUNITY IS GOING TO IMPACT A LOT OF OTHER ROADS. AND AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO GO BACK AND FIND THIS MEETING, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS. WAS IT WADE THAT WAS HERE? DWAYNE WADE YEAH. SAYING THAT YES WE'LL DO THAT JUST DECELERATION AND THE TURN LANE BECAUSE I WAS ARGUING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL THESE PEOPLE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT WITH ONE ENTRANCE UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN OLD TOWN TO OPEN UP EAST AND MAIN. SO I AND THAT'S CORRECT SO BASICALLY. THE WAY I SEE IT IS Y'ALL HAVE REALLY AT THIS POINT HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA AS PART OF THE IMPACT ANALYSIS. I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. SO NOW YOU WANT A CREDIT TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING. THAT IS, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS BRINGING TO IMPACT THAT AREA? NO, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY OUT OF POCKET. THE ROUGHLY $1.3 MILLION TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION. SO THOSE COMMITMENTS TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION, WHICH WAS PART OF THE TIA, WHICH WAS TRAFFIC ALSO UP AND DOWN OR 1660, WHICH WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TRAFFIC OF WHAT DURANGO FARMS IS CONTRIBUTING. THEY'RE PAYING 100% OF THE COST TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE WERE THERE WERE DOCUMENTED IN THE APPROVED TIA, SO ROUGHLY $1.3 MILLION. SO THAT WAS COMMITTED TO PRIOR TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE RESOLUTION COMING FORWARD. AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE MOVED TO SUBSEQUENT PLATS, THERE'S ROUGHLY $1,000,000 OF IMPACT FEES THAT WOULD BE ASSESSED TO THE PROJECT FOR THOSE SAME IMPROVEMENTS. SO THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING CASH UP FRONT TO BUILD THE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS START OF THE DESIGN WITH H AND TB. THOSE ARE NEARLY COMPLETED, SHOULD BE COMPLETED, START CONSTRUCTION HOPEFULLY IN JUNE. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S BUILT, THERE'S NO REIMBURSEMENT OF ANY OF THOSE FUNDS. SO THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR A REIMBURSEMENT OF FUNDS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THOSE FEES. CORRECT, BECAUSE THE IMPACT FEES ARE IDENTIFIED FOR THE CIP PROGRAM. AND ONE OF THE COMPONENTS IN THAT CIP PROGRAM INCLUDES THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 1662 MAJOR LANE. WHICH THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR OUT OF POCKET. AND SO ALL THOSE COMMITMENTS WERE DONE BEFORE THE ROADWAY TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE STUDY WAS DONE AND IMPLEMENTED. SO THE ORIGINAL PLATS WERE RECORDED, THE PHASE ONE PLAT WAS RECORDED. AND THEN WHEN WE GOT INTO THE PHASE TWO PLAT, THAT'S WHEN THE DISCUSSION CAME UP ABOUT THE CITY HAD SUBSEQUENTLY ADOPTED THESE IMPACT FEES, BUT THE DEVELOPER HAD ALREADY COMMITTED TO PAY 100% OF THOSE COSTS, WHICH WAS MORE THAN THE IMPACT THE AMOUNT. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ASSESSED. WASN'T THIS THE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE TIRE NEVER DID GET DONE? AND WE HAD ASKED SAM AND WE WERE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS AND WE ASKED FOR THE TIRE. AND THEN IT TURNED OUT THAT IT NEVER GOT REVIEWED. I REMEMBER ACTUALLY SAYING, I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT. KIM LANGHORNE DID A TIRE ON THIS PROJECT AND IT WAS SUBMITTED AND REVIEWED. BE CAREFUL THERE, BECAUSE I'M ALMOST POSITIVE WE HAD A WE HAD A BAD RUN WHERE WE HAD A CITY ENGINEER THAT DIDN'T ANSWER EMAILS. YOU HEARD THE GUY BEFORE. YEAH, ABOUT BROOKLYN. SO WE HAD A RASH OF NO ONE ANSWERING EMAILS AND REVIEWING ANYTHING, TELLING US LIKE WHERE YOU'RE AT THAT, OH YEAH, IT'S ALL BEEN CHECKED. AND SO I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT TIRE AND AFTER A MONTH IT TURNED OUT WE HADN'T ACTUALLY REVIEWED IT YET, BUT WE WERE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF APPROVING EVERYTHING AND YEAH, ALL THE IMPROVEMENT. WASN'T IT FUNCTIONAL? YEAH, I FORGET WHO'S WHO. BOB'S COUNTERPART IS WIDER. DAVID? YEAH. I'M SORRY. THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN TODAY, SO THEY ASKED ME TO COME IN AND. BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ONES TO STAND UP THERE AND YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT AND YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT. AND EVERY CONCERN DO IT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THEN WHEN THEY START DOING THINGS, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT WE ASK THEM TO DO OR THAT THEY SAID THEY DO. AND SO THEN WE HAVE TO THREATEN THEM WITH CLOSING DOWN LIKE WE HAVE BARRICADES BLOCKING ONE ROAD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T STOP THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THERE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT BATTLE TO WHERE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET THEM TO DO ANYTHING IS TO LITERALLY FORCE THEM TO DO SOMETHING. AND. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S IT'S BEEN A MESS. [02:25:02] WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSES THAT RIPPING DOWN ALL THE TREES. THEY TOLD THE PEOPLE THEY WOULDN'T CUT DOWN. THEY'VE GOT DRAINAGE THINGS THEY SAY THEY'RE WORKING ON. AND I MEAN, IT JUST I KNOW WE'RE TALKING TRAFFIC HERE, BUT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO SIT WITH AND GO BACK HISTORICALLY TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND AND MADE AND WHAT STAFF WAS ABLE TO DO. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE OPERATING CURRENTLY ON SOME HYPOTHETICALS. AND HE SAID, SHE SAID AND WE'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND DISCUSS IT ALL NIGHT RATHER THAN GET IT TO A DECISION. NO, I AGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE IT TWO WEEKS UNTIL WE CAN GET THE FACTS TOGETHER WHEN THE IMPACT THESE WERE. IF REINSTATED. AND TO LOOK AT THE TIRE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OBJECTIONS FROM COUNCIL TO TABLE. NO, I HAVE NO OBJECTION, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE A CLEAR ANSWER WHEN. WHEN IT'S BROUGHT BACK FROM STAFF AS TO WHY THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE REALLY CONFUSED UP HERE, BUT STAFF ISN'T. AND SO I'D LIKE TO KIND OF HAVE A MORE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF ON. YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT. AND HELP US UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE MISSING SOMETHING. MAYBE SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, SIR. SURE. BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION 2020 203 FOR [11.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2022-034 prohibiting and condemning sexual assault and sexual harassment; prohibiting the nonreporting of sexual assault and sexual harassment; requiring training and providing an effective date (Mayor Snyder, Legal)] PROHIBITING AND CONDEMNING SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT. PROHIBITING THE NON-REPORTING OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT. REQUIRING, EXCUSE ME, REQUIRING TRAINING AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS. MICHELLE STEWART. HI. GOOD EVENING. IT'S INCREDIBLE TO SEE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE DAIS WHO HAVE MADE ACCUSATORY COMMENTS IMPLYING THAT THERE IS MISOGYNISTIC BEHAVIOR BY OTHERS ON COUNCIL. YET THESE SAME PEOPLE HAVE YET TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT SHOWING THEIR SOLIDARITY TO OUR CURRENT AND FORMER CITY STAFF WHO WERE ASSAULTED AND HARASSED BY THE PERSON PUT IN PLACE IN THE POSITION TO LEAD THEM BY VOTING TODAY TO PROHIBIT AND CONDEMN SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, ALONG WITH PROHIBITING THE NON-REPORTING OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT. ADDITIONALLY, REQUIRING TRAINING YOU WILL SHOW NOT ONLY YOUR SOLIDARITY FOR THE VICTIMS, BUT YOUR ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR FROM OCCURRING AGAIN BY ANYONE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. THESE TYPES OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE IN MOST WORKPLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BOTH BY LARGE EMPLOYERS AND SMALL. SO THE CITY OF HUTTLE SHOULD BE NO EXCEPTION. I HOPE THAT EVEN IN THIS CAMPAIGN SEASON WE CAN GET PAST POLITICAL NONSENSE AND DO THE RIGHT THING TODAY BY VOTING TO IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS HAPPENED TO OUR CITY STAFF. I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT TOOK THIS LONG FOR IT TO BE ON THE DAIS. WE HAVE THE DESIRE TO HEAL, HUDDLE, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT STEP TODAY BY VOTING TO AMEND THIS AND IMPLEMENT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I AGREE THAT THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING. I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT DURING COUNSEL PROTOCOLS SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. AS A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, I KNOW THE RAMIFICATIONS OF IT AND WHAT IT DOES TO LIVES AND LIVES AROUND YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I DO STAND IN SOLIDARITY BEHIND THE VICTIMS. I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO MAKE MY STATEMENTS ON THESE MATTERS. I DO 100% SUPPORT THAT AS A COUNCIL THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE THIS TRAINING. THIS IS THE PROHIBITING AND REQUIRED TRAINING ON THIS ITEM. DURING THAT TIME. PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPENED. THERE WAS ALSO HORRIFIC BULLYING AND INTIMIDATION AND THREATENING GOING ON AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME EITHER THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THESE WALLS. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ALSO PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT AS AS KNOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS DYAS AND ALSO CITY STAFF AND DIRECTORS AND IMPLEMENT IT ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE I THINK THE HARASSMENT AND THE BULLYING AND THE INTIMIDATION HAS CROSSED BOTH LINES FROM THE DIOCESE TO CITY STAFF AND AND AND AND REVERSE. I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALSO AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT ITEM. WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY START IMPLEMENTING SOME SORT OF [02:30:02] ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN THOSE ACTIONS ARE PROVEN. OR LIKE IT'S MENTIONED, IF YOU IT'S AN OVERSIGHT AND YOU DON'T ACTUALLY REPORT IT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSEQUENCES. I THINK ACROSS THE LINE, ANY TYPE OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, ASSAULT, BULLYING, INTIMIDATION AND THREATENING OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE DAIS OR ON STAFF IS SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED. NO MATTER WHO'S DOING IT. TO ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER SENTENCE. REALLY BEAUTIFUL NARRATIVE. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT WITH THOSE. I DEFINITELY THINK THIS IS IS A GREAT RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A STANCE ON. AS MISS STEWART MENTIONED, THIS IS NORMAL FOR THE COURSE. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS YEARS AGO AFTER THE ALLEGATIONS WERE MADE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE. I AGREE WITH YOU ALSO ON BULLYING AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON THINGS LIKE THAT. WHY THERE'S NO COMMENT FROM SOME OF US UP HERE IS SOME OF US I WAS A VICTIM IN 2016 OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND IT'S SOMETHING I'M STILL IN THERAPY FOR AND SOMETHING I STILL DEAL WITH. AND SO THIS WAS A VERY WHEN ALL THIS CAME BACK OUT, IT WAS A PERSONAL CHOICE NOT TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA IN SUCH A WAY. AND I ALSO WASN'T HERE WITH THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW THE ALLEGED VICTIMS. I DON'T KNOW THE PERPETRATORS. I DON'T KNOW THE STORY. AND SO WHATEVER MY OPINION MAY HAVE BEEN, ALSO WITHOUT ANY REPORTS THAT WERE FILED. ANYTHING I HAD TO SAY WOULD HAVE BEEN. I THINK. NON CONSEQUENTIAL. AND JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT I WENT THROUGH, HAD ANYBODY TRIED TO MAKE AN ASSERTION ON WHAT HAPPENED TO ME THAT EVENING? IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL AND OUGHT TO JUST UPSET ME MORE. AND SO JUST PUTTING MYSELF IN THAT STANDPOINT, THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING. BUT I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS AND I THINK IT'S VERY FITTING THAT IT'S COMING DURING SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH AND CHILD ABUSE AND CHILD ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH AS WELL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON SUGGESTION OF INCLUDING. THE BULLEEN. TO THIS AS WELL. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE INTENDING. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A SCHEDULED STABILITY TRAINING NEXT WEEK THAT CITY MANAGER TURNER MENTIONED, AND I KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THAT. I WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TRAINING ON WEDNESDAY. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN DO MORE OF AN IN-DEPTH AND LOOK FOR TRAINING THAT REALLY KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS WHAT WAS EXPERIENCED HERE IN CITY HALL DURING THOSE YEARS AND THE TRAUMA IT CAUSED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND THE DAMAGES THAT WE'RE STILL RECOVERING FROM BECAUSE. TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORDS. IT'S NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME. AND I THINK IT IN THE STATE OF PROFESSIONALISM AND CIVILITY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A REALLY IN-DEPTH TRAINING FOR EVERYONE ON THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO. WAS THAT A SECOND AMENDMENT? YEAH. SO I AGREE ABOUT THE BULLYING PART. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A RIGHT, RIGHT WAY TO PUT IT IN THERE, BECAUSE THE WHOLE RESOLUTION IS ABOUT SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ASSAULT. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO INCORPORATE BULLYING IN OUR PERSONNEL POLICIES. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP. AND AND TO YOUR POINT, MS.. STEWART, ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN EARLIER IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO DO THESE TYPE OF CRIMES SEEM TO KNOW THE LEGAL SYSTEM BETTER THAN THE LEGAL SYSTEM. AND SO THEY USE THE LEGAL SYSTEM, IN MY OPINION, TO THEIR BENEFIT TO DRAG OUT AND ANY POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD HAPPEN IN MY MIND TO TRY TO WAIT OUT ANYBODY THAT WOULD HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. AND SO IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT A COURT I DON'T REMEMBER THE COURT, DISTRICT JUDGE, APPELLATE JUDGE, SOME SOME ATTORNEY LOST A CASE ON JANUARY 25TH. AND THEN ON JANUARY 25TH, A COURT RULED YOU HAVE TO RELEASE BASICALLY A LETTER THAT MANY OF US KNEW ABOUT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, BUT HAD BEEN HELD UP IN LITIGATION THE WHOLE TIME. SO WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. SO YOU REALLY COULDN'T GET INTO WHY WE SHOULD CONDEMN SEXUAL ASSAULT? BECAUSE WE'RE BEING SUED FEDERALLY, BECAUSE POTENTIALLY THE SAME THING. [02:35:04] SO WHEN I READ WHEN I SEE THIS AGAIN, I THINK BULLYING IS IMPORTANT TO ADD IN THERE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE BULLY. BUT THIS TO ME THIS MAY TAKE AWAY ADDING BULLYING IN MAY TAKE AWAY FROM. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING A CHILD ABUSE RESOLUTION, BUT THEN YOU ADD IN OTHER THINGS TO KIND OF TAKE AWAY THE FOCUS OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE RESOLUTION WAS. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. I CAN SEE THAT. MAYBE ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE SPECIFICALLY DO, THE BULLYING, A SEPARATE RESOLUTION ON THAT REQUIRING THE TRAINING WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, I WOULD ASSUME, AT ANOTHER MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS MAYBE REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT, BUT THEN ADD AN AGENDA ITEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT AND REASON. I KNOW BULLYING IS IMPORTANT. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. OH IS BECAUSE EVERY TIME RACHEL COMES UP HERE AND TALKS ABOUT MADELINE AND SANDBOX. IT ALWAYS REALLY TOUCHED ME BECAUSE YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY BULLYING TO THE POINT TO WHERE. IT REALLY AFFECTS THEM. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WE NEED TO ALSO HAVE IN TERMS OF WORKPLACE AND THE COMMUNITY. BUT MR. TURNER, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT IN 12.9, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT THERE IS NEVER A WRONG TIME TO BRING UP CODIFYING LIKE SEXUAL HARASSMENT, THINGS LIKE THIS AND MISCONDUCT. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC SITUATION DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULDN'T EXIST IN OUR RESOLUTIONS OR PERSONNEL HANDBOOK. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC INSTANCE TO BRING IT UP. THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS IS YOU SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL COMFORTABLE. AND AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT OF WHY BULLYING CAME TO MIND IS THERE ARE OFTENTIMES PEOPLE THAT ARE BULLIED TO NOT SAY ANYTHING AND TO NOT REPORT ON SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. AND AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE STATEMENT THAT I HOPE THAT FIRST. I THINK THIS IS IT'S IT'S IT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR WHAT'S. OCCURRED. I UNDERSTAND THE THE LEGALITY PART, BUT I HOPE THAT THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO AND THE FORMER EMPLOYEES THAT WERE AFFECTED, THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF RESOLUTION FOR THEM AND HEALING, AND THAT THE THE COUNCIL HAS LEARNED FROM THIS THAT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE. AND WE NOW CAN PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO WHERE PEOPLE PEOPLE CAN HAVE A VOICE AND AND ACTION CAN BE TAKEN. THAT PART IS LONG OVERDUE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LAST WORD. WHEREAS STATEMENT IT SAYS BASICALLY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT SUCH CONDUCT OF ANY ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER. SO THIS IS JUST MORE FOR CLARIFICATION, I GUESS. SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT IT TO EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER, OR I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THE LANGUAGE THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE CLEANED UP JUST FOR. REPORTING PURPOSES, THE ACTUAL TEETH OF THIS, WHERE AND HOW DO I ACTUALLY REPORT IT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE, OBVIOUSLY. SO THE ACTUAL TEETH OF THE RESOLUTION THERE. SO ACCORDING TO THIS, I WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IT TO ALL SEVEN OF US AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL. SO FOR ME, I DON'T I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION OR HOW WE CAN CLEAN THAT UP. GEORGE, ANY IDEAS? YES. CAN KINSEY UNDER THE OPEN MEETING THAT 5.074 PERSONNEL DOES INCLUDE A COMPLAINT AGAINST. AND SO ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS MAKE A REQUEST TO PUT. WHATEVER. COUNCIL MEMBER. TO SEE THAT PLAY OUT. AND THAT WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU. BUT THE COUNCIL MEMBER REFUSES THAT. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO, I WANT. AND DID YOU HAVE THAT? SO I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH. AS WELL AS TO THE CITY MANAGER, SUCH AS THE MANAGER. [02:40:03] TO. LOST A LOT OF. WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO AND YOU TRY TO MAKE A SEPARATION THAT. PERPETRATOR IN THE LETTERS. YOU PICK THEM DURING THE INVESTIGATION AND THE CLEARANCE OF THOSE. AND SO THE MANAGER WILL HAVE THAT OBLIGATION TO. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BEING IMPORTANT TO HELP. BUT IF HE CAN DO THE THINGS NECESSARY, THE REMEDIAL ACTION IS NECESSARY IN THE LAW. THE CHARTER ALSO PROVIDES. OKAY. SO WOULD THIS PROVIDE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY IF THERE'S A STAFF MEMBER THAT'S BEEN SEXUALLY HARASSED OR ASSAULTED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO LET THE CITY MANAGER KNOW, AND THEN IT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION OR LET A COUNCIL MEMBER KNOW. AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BODY AND THE CITY MANAGERS. THAT WOULD. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK HERE? THAT'S MORE MY QUESTION. LIKE HOW WOULD THE ACTUAL REPORTING PROCESS GO? THIS IS WHERE I'M READING THIS IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT, ETC. WOULD BE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, IN ESSENCE, BY AN ELECTRIC OFFICIAL OR ONE OF YOUR APPOINTED OFFICIALS. CITY MANAGER. OF COURSE. YEAH. SO IN THOSE CASES, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD NEED TO. BUT THE CITY MANAGER NOW AND DISALLOWS THAT TO REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR WHATEVER FORMAT. I THINK IMPLICITLY THERE'S A LEVEL OF. WHAT WOULD WE DO IN THE EVENT THAT THE PERPETRATOR WAS THE CITY MANAGER? THE COUNCIL HAS OVERSIGHT OVER THE CITY MANAGER. ALSO, TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WILL DO IS ASK. AND I KNOW, LIKE SAID, WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATORY TEAM THAT DOES. I NEED TO SAY THIS. IF YOU GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOLKS. AND. I CAN'T REALLY IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENED HERE. HOW? IT IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO ME AS A PROFESSIONAL. IT IS. POOR. FINE. I IF I HAD ANY WAY TO TELL YOU, YOU JUST DO THIS AND IT'LL NEVER, EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. I WOULD HAVE TO. SHARE THAT WITH YOU. I THINK WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY IS SAYING SOMETHING, REPORTING IT. AND IT'S BEING LOOKED INTO. BY THE SAME TOKEN, ARGUE THAT. I WANT TO KEEP MY WORDS CAREFULLY SO I START GOING ASTRAY. YOU CAN ARGUE THAT. THOSE SOME OF THOSE ACTIONS HAPPEN, BUT. SOME OF THE PROCESSES WERE JADED OR MANIPULATED OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THE WRITING OF THIS SAID THAT IT'S BROADENED THIS REPORT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL, OF COURSE, AND. I CAN'T SAY TO YOU THAT SOMETHING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WILL NEVER, EVER HAPPEN TO ME. OR AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN. LIKE THAT A LOT THAT YOU CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF THIS STUFF HAPPENED. I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THIS TRAINING. MY CURRENT EMPLOYER HAS REQUIRED THIS FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED THERE OVER 20 YEARS AND EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING AND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE, HOW THE REPORTING IS DONE. I MEAN, WE'RE GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER. HERE'S WHERE YOU REPORT IT. HERE'S THE WEBSITE YOU CAN GO TO. IT'S AN I MEAN, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I'M HOPING THAT IN 12 SIX, WHEN THAT EVENTUALLY COMES BACK TO US FOR ACTION, THAT WE CAN REALLY OUTLINE THE SPECIFICS OF OF THE HOW BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. I THINK I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE WE OKAY? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE BULLYING PART. WE OC KEEPING THAT SEPARATE. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT SEPARATE AND MAYBE HAVE ITS OWN RESOLUTION ON THAT. YEAH. WELL AS PART OF THIS, THIS IS UNUSUAL STEP. I'M GOING TO READ THE RESOLUTION. I'M GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP WAS ONE OF THE VICTIMS REACHED [02:45:05] OUT AND SAID, UNTIL YOU YOU ALL AS A CITY PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGED WHAT HAPPENED, THEN YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. AND SO I THINK IF WE JUST PASS THIS AND DON'T READ IT, THAT POTENTIALLY IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. SO PENDING THE APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL, THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF TEXAS PROHIBITING AND CONDEMNING SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, PROHIBITING THE NON REPORTING OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, REQUIRING TRAINING AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MAYOR, I JUST HAVE A POINT OF INQUIRY. COULD WE VOTE ON IT AND PASS IT AND THEN GO AHEAD AND READ IT WITH THAT? WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE? I'D LIKE TO PASS THIS AND I AGREE AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE PASSED, BUT GO AHEAD. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR. THEN I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION AH, 2020 203 FOR A SECOND. BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO APPROVING 11 TWO HAS PRESENTED ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HARRY NUNN, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLANDE I MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I MAYOR SNYDER I COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I PASS PASS SEVEN ZERO. RIGHT. SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS, PROHIBITING AND CONDEMNING SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, PROHIBITING THE NON REPORTING OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, REQUIRING TRAINING AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WHEREAS. SEXUAL HARASSMENT. SEXUAL ASSAULT. AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ARE HARMFUL WITHIN A WORKING ENVIRONMENT. AND. WHEREAS, ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ARE ENTITLED TO A WORKPLACE FREE OF UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATION OR HARASSMENT BY MANAGEMENT, SUPERVISORS, COWORKERS, CITIZENS AND VENDORS. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY PROHIBITS EMPLOYMENT DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RACE, RELIGION, COLOR, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN, AGE, DISABILITY, MARITAL STATUS, VETERAN STATUS, CITIZENSHIP, GENETIC INFORMATION, OR ANY OTHER CHARACTERISTIC PROTECTED BY LAW. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY'S PERSONNEL POLICIES PROHIBIT AND REQUIRE REPORTING OF SUCH CONDUCT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY PROHIBITS SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS FROM DATING ANY SUBORDINATE BECAUSE SUCH RELATIONSHIPS CAN BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE WORK ENVIRONMENT, CREATE A CONFLICT OR THE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND LEAD TO CHARGES OF FAVORITISM, DISCRIMINATION AND CLAIMS OF DIRECT OR INDIRECT SEXUAL HARASSMENT. AND. WHEREAS, PAST ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS MAY HAVE FAILED TO REPORT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO ERADICATE SUCH CONDUCT FROM THE WORKPLACE. AND. WHEREAS, THE CITY COUNCIL DESIRES TO TO CONDEMN AND PROHIBIT SUCH CONDUCT FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS AND REQUIRE THE REPORTING OF SUCH CONDUCT OF ANY ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER. NOW. THEREFORE, IT BE RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS. THAT SECTION WON THE FIGHT AND SET FORTH IN RECITALS OF THIS RESOLUTION ARE HEREBY FOUND TO BE TRUE AND CORRECT, AND ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND ARE INCORPORATED INTO THE BODY OF THIS RESOLUTION AS IT FULLY SET FORTH HERE IN SECTION TWO. THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY CONDEMNS SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN THE WORKPLACE AND BY ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS, AND REQUIRES A REPORTING OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN THE WORKPLACE AND BY ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS. SECTION THREE THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL REQUIRE TRAINING AND THE PREVENTION AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS. AND THE CITY MANAGER SHALL REQUIRE TRAINING IN THE PREVENTION AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. AND SECTION FOUR OF THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY FINDS AND DECLARES THAT WRITTEN NOTICE OF THE DATE, OUR PLACE AND SUBJECT TO THE MEETING AT WHICH THIS RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED, WAS POSTED, AND THAT SUCH MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS REQUIRED BY LAW AT ALL TIMES, DURING WHICH THIS RESOLUTION AND THE SUBJECT MATTER HEREOF WERE DISCUSSED, CONSIDERED AND FORMALLY ACTED UPON ALL AS REQUIRED BY THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHAPTER 551 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AS AMENDED. AND THIS RESOLUTION, SECTION FIVE OF THIS RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY FROM AND AFTER ITS PASSAGE. [02:50:02] RIGHT NEXT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 THREE, CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON [11.3. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-035 supporting the proposed Low-Income Housing Tax Credit project by the Harvest Ridge at Brushy Creek, LP on a tract of land zoned Multi-Family (MF) Zoning District. (Ashley Lumpkin)] RESOLUTION NUMBER ART 2020 2-035 SUPPORTING THE PROPOSED LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECT BY THE HARVEST RIDGE AT BRUSHY CREEK LP ON UNATTRACTIVE LAND ZONED MULTIFAMILY MF ZONING DISTRICT. WELCOME BACK, ASHLEY. SO. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS SOMETHING SORRY. I HAVE TYPOS ON THAT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. WE ACTUALLY SAW ONE LAST APRIL IN 2021 AND THAT ONE WAS APPROVED. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN 2020, RIGHT AT THE START OF COVID THAT WE HAD HERE AS WELL. SO JUST TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, THIS IS THE SITE. IT'S APR 17, SORRY, 13.7 ACRES. AND IT'S GOT ABOUT 14 TO 20 UNITS AN ACRE, I THINK IT WAS TO 76 AT THE LAST COUNT BETWEEN ALL THE SITES. SO THEY ARE WITHIN THEIR UTC ALLOWANCES. THIS IS A SITE THAT IS TRYING TO GO COMPLETELY BY THE BOOK. SO THERE IS A LOT OF LANDSCAPING ON HERE AND THEY'RE MAKING THAT WORK AND IT WAS ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY BACK IN 2021 AND IT IS DIRECTLY NORTH OF FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND THAT LITTLE NOTCH ON THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER IS THE SECOND FIRE STATION. SO WITH THAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS A ESSENTIALLY A RESOLUTION OF NO OPPOSITION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE REQUIRES FOR THESE PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THEN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK FOR SOME OF THE FAMILIES WITHIN HUTTO THAT NEED THAT HOUSING AND AT THAT LEVEL SO THAT WE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO HOUSE THE FIREFIGHTERS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE TEACHERS AND SOME OF THE THOSE THAT ARE RIGHT AT THE MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW. WE DO HAVE THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE AND I WILL LET THEM GET IN THEIR PRESENTATION CAN CERTAINLY I AM NOT IN THE LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT BUSINESS, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER EXPLAIN THAT PORTION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ANDREW SINNOTT WITH ZIMMERMAN PROPERTIES ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER APPLICANT HARVEST RIDGE OF BRUSHY CREEK LP. AS ASHLEY SAID, THIS IS THE SAME RESOLUTION THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPER ON THE TRACT OF LAND ON THE WEST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 137 THE NARROWS RECEIVED A YEAR AGO. AND SO THIS FINANCING THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE STATE IS FOR HOUSING, TAX CREDITS AND PRIVATE ACTIVITY BONDS. OUR OTHER SITE, WHICH IS SOUTH WEST OF WHAT YOU SEE OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION, OUR OTHER SITE RECEIVED AN AWARD OF 9% HOUSING TAX CREDITS, JUST A DIFFERENT FORM OF TAX CREDITS, BUT ALL GOES TO THE SAME TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT 60% OF AREA, MEDIAN AREA, MEDIAN INCOME AND BELOW. SO RENTS WOULD RANGE FROM $950 A MONTH FOR ONE BEDROOM TO ABOUT 1500 DOLLARS A MONTH FOR A THREE BEDROOM. AND THE FOLKS INCOMES WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 30. I THINK I WROTE DOWN 35,000, 40,000 A YEAR FOR A ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD TO ABOUT 75,000 A YEAR FOR A SIX PERSON HOUSEHOLD. SO, YEAH, IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION. AND WITH THIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEEK THE THE 4% HOUSING TAX CREDITS AND PRIVATE ACTIVITY BONDS. I AM A HUGE PROPONENT OF SECTION 42 HOUSING. I THINK IT DOES A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING NEED THAT WE'RE REALLY MISSING HERE. AND HOW DO THE TAX CREDITS AND HOW YOU KEEP THE MONEY IN A SECTION 42 BUILDING IS IT'S A VERY NICE TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX OR MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX. AND SO IT'S NOT IN THE PAST WHEN YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE MISTOOK IT FOR SECTION EIGHT, WHICH IT IS NOT. YOU CAN'T HELP WITH. THE IRS CLASSIFIES IT AS. BUT MY CONCERN MY ONLY CONCERN IS 1660 IS THERE. WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE SELECTION OF THIS SITE? I WOULD DEFER TO SANDY WATSON. SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS SITE FOR MUCH LONGER THAN I HAVE. HI, GUYS. I KNOW YOU HAVE SEEN ME MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS. JUST TO REFRESH YOU GUYS ON 1660, IT WAS A TECH START ISSUE. WE COULDN'T GAIN ACCESS ON THAT CORNER. SO WE ENDED UP REZONING THE SOUTH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER RIGHT THERE. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE REASON. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. I REMEMBER NOW. THANK YOU, SANDY. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I COULD ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS? THIS IS JUST A COMPONENT TO OUR APPLICATION FOR THE 4% TAX CREDIT. [02:55:02] SO THE GOVERNOR HAD WAIVED THIS AT ONE POINT DURING COVID. WE'RE REALLY JUST ANTICIPATING THAT HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO REINSTATE THAT. SO WHILE IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME. YOU KNOW THE QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SOME NO OBJECTIONS WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:57 P.M. IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. THIS RESOLUTION. SEE, NO ONE WILL CLOSE. THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:57 P.M.. OPEN IT BACK UP TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR ACTION. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS. OBVIOUSLY OF BENEFIT TO A COMMUNITY. WE'VE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THE INCOMES ARE THE THE THE HOUSING RATES ARE JUST SKYROCKETING. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE. SO I THINK THAT HAVING HAVING THIS OPTION FOR THEM IS IS A WORTHY CAUSE. I REALIZE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS JUST SORT OF A PAPER THAT YOU TAKE THEN TO THE STATE TO APPLY. SO. I WOULD BE COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. THANK YOU, MRS. HOLLAND. I HAVE TO APPROVE 11 THREE IS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND APPROVING 1103 IS PRESENTED. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER PROJECTS WITH THE 9% COMPETITIVE HOUSE TAX, HOUSING TAX CREDIT, THOSE WERE APPROVED BY THE STATE. YES, WE WON THAT AWARD THIS THIS LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE OUR PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS RIGHT NOW. BUT WE'RE KIND OF HELD UP WITH THE CITY RIGHT NOW AND SOME ENGINEERING AND OTHER PLANNING INTERNALLY. PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE ALSO APPROVED BY THE STATE. OR DO YOU FORESEE ANY YOU KNOW, IT'S I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT. I'M WISHFUL THINKING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE RIGHT NOW. THE DEMAND FOR PRIVATE ACTIVITY, BOND VOLUME CAP IS PRETTY MUCH UNPRECEDENTED RIGHT NOW. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW. STATE OF TEXAS GETS ABOUT $3 BILLION IN PRIVATE ACTIVITY, BONDS ALLOCATED AMONG INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, SINGLE FAMILY MORTGAGE REVENUE BONDS AND THEN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S PRETTY OVERSUBSCRIBED. THE PRIVATE ACTIVITY BOND. SO WE'RE UNSURE WHEN OR IF WE WILL HOPEFULLY GET APPROVED. BUT WE'RE OPTIMISTIC. WE'RE WORKING WITH TDK AS THE ISSUER FOR THE PRIVATE ACTIVITY BONDS. SO IT COULD BE LATER THIS YEAR. IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE NOT SURE YET. SO I GUESS RELATED TO THAT, THE 9% ONE I THINK IT TOOK YOU GUYS TWO TRIES TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY SCORED COMPETITIVELY AND I THINK YOU GUYS FINISHED SECOND THE FIRST YEAR, IF I REMEMBER THAT. RIGHT. YOU WERE LIKE NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST. THANKS, DAN, FOR REMINDING ME. YES, WE LOST THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THEN YOU GOT TO LOOK RIGHT. YOU GOT IT RIGHT. YES, WE DID. SO THE 4%. I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE? IS IT LOTTERY? IS IT. YES, IT IS A LOTTERY. IT IS A LOTTERY. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LUCK OF THE DRAW THERE, LITERALLY. AND AGAIN, THE ALLOCATIONS JUST THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO GO AROUND THIS YEAR YET. WE'RE WAITING FOR A COLLAPSE, POSSIBLY IN AUGUST. BUT THIS THIS RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION WILL, I THINK IT'S VALID FOR A YEAR. YES. SO I WON'T BE BACK UP HERE ASKING YOU FOR ANOTHER ONE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR. AND WE'LL GO BACK INTO THIS NEXT LOTTERY DRAWING IF WE HAVE TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, KNOWING HOW COMPETITIVE THESE ARE IN EVERY CITY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO HUTTO. WELL, AND THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ASHLEY, ESPECIALLY, WHO HAS BEEN HERE WITH ME FROM DAY ONE. WHEN I WALKED IN IN 2019. THE CITY'S BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING SHE HAS DONE, EVEN THROUGH COVID AND THE FEED, NOT ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND GET THE VOTE. SHE SHE SAVED THE DAY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU GUYS BEING SUPPORTIVE AND HOPEFULLY WE DO GET THIS ONE ON THE GROUND FOR YOU GUYS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. SO IF THIS COMES TO FRUITION, EVERYTHING GOES GREAT. YOU GUYS WIN THE LOTTERY. WHAT IS I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE AND BUILD OUT AND MONEY AND FUNDING AND [03:00:03] HOW ALL THAT GOES. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FOR THE HUTTO CITIZENS WHEN THEY WOULD ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY HAVE THE PRODUCT? YOU KNOW, THE GESTATION PERIOD KIND OF VARIES RIGHT NOW WITH CONSTRUCTION. AND SO ONCE WE WERE LET'S SAY THAT WE WERE TO GET THIS ALLOCATION THIS YEAR, ONCE THE BOND RESERVATION HAPPENS, YOU'RE ON A CLOCK, A SIX MONTH CLOCK TO CLOSE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY WITH THE CITY, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY HICCUPS THERE. NO SLOWDOWNS, PLANS IN PRETTY MUCH BAKED. EVERYTHING IS COOKED. AND IF THEY SAY, HERE YOU GO, WE'VE GOT SIX MONTHS TO CLOSE IT. AND SO THAT'S TIME CRITICAL. AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHOVEL READY, I'D SAY 12 TO 14 MONTHS. IF. IF ALL GOES WELL. THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON A MOTION TO APPROVE? HEARING, THEN PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. I REMEMBER KINSEY. I SNYDER. I COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO. I COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. HI. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US UP TO ITEM 11 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON [11.4. Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2022-017 authorizing the City to continue its membership with the Atmos Cities Steering Committee to protect the interests of the City of Hutto and protect the interests of the customers of Atmos Energy Corporation, Mid-Tex Division residing and conducting business within the City limits (Legal)] RESOLUTION ART 2020 2017 AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO CONTINUE ITS MEMBERSHIP WITH THE UTMOST CITY STEERING COMMITTEE TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY OF HUTTO AND PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE CUSTOMERS OF ATMOS ENERGY CORPORATION MID TEXT DIVISION RESIDING AND CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SUSANNA. I THINK WE WERE WAITING BECAUSE STACEY, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ADM IS MR. RICARDO. SHE'S TRYING TO. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE ITEM IS UP AND I'M GOING TO. I'M. ARE YOU READY? OKAY. THOMAS, YOU ARE ON. YOU ARE? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS PARK. I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF LLOYD GOSSELIN. LINCOLN. I SERVE AS OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE ATMOS CITY STEERING COMMITTEE. THE COALITION IS COMPRISED OF 181 CITIES THAT ARE SERVED BY ATMOSPHERE. EACH YEAR, THE ORGANIZATION APPROVES A BUDGET AND AN ASSESSMENT FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD CONTINUE THAT MEMBERSHIP AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO PAY THE ASSESSMENT FOR 2022. THOMAS. HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN. OKAY, SO LAST YEAR, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS ON THE DAIS, I HAD WANTED TO. HEAR WHAT THE ROI WAS FOR US THIS FISCAL YEAR. CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE US A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT OUR MEMBERSHIP HAS COVERED FOR THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO THE PAST FISCAL YEAR? SURE, I'VE NOT DONE LIKE A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR RETURN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN AND SOME OF THE VALUE THAT WE'VE BROUGHT. SO IN 2021 AND INTO 2022, WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN A NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES. NUMBER ONE, WE WERE INVOLVED IN LAST YEAR'S PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE RATE REVIEW MECHANISM, THE MANY EXPEDITED RATE CASE THAT THE LEGISLATURE ALLOWS ATMOS TO FILE EVERY SPRING. THEY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR 31.4 MILLION. THROUGH OUR EFFORTS, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT TO 22.78 MILLION. SO THERE WAS A SAVINGS OF ABOUT $78 MILLION. MOREOVER, CITIES PAY LESS THAN ANY OTHER GROUP OF ATMOS CUSTOMERS. SO THOSE CITIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZATION, THEIR BUSINESSES, AND THEIR OWN ACCOUNTS AND THEIR RESIDENTS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES PAY LESS THAN THE CITY OF DALLAS. THEY PAY LESS THAN ANY OF THE ATM CITIES, AND THEY PAY LESS THAN ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE CRIP OR IN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN OFFER. JUST THIS PAST WEEK AT THE SPA THERE 2022 OREM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 102.4 MILLION, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS ABOUT OVER THREE TIMES WHAT THEY ASKED FOR LAST YEAR. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE OF $5.64 EVERY MONTH TO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. [03:05:01] IF IT'S APPROVED, IF WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT BY EVEN A DOLLAR, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SAVING EVERY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IN YOUR COMMUNITY, SAVING, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR EVERY MONTH ON THEIR GAS BILL, WHICH FAR EXCEEDS THE COST OF PARTICIPATION. WE'VE JUST BEGUN TO LOOK AT THAT FILING AND CONDUCT DISCOVERY. WE WERE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE GAS SECURITIZATION DOCKET. THE LEGISLATURE ALLOWED GAS UTILITIES ACROSS THE STATE TO COLLECT THE INCREMENTAL COSTS THAT THEY INCURRED DURING WINTER STORM URI. STATEWIDE, THAT AMOUNTED TO $3.4 BILLION EXCUSE ME, $3.5 BILLION. THE LEGISLATURE DIRECTED THAT ALL GAS UTILITY CUSTOMERS ACROSS THE STATE WILL PICK UP THE TAB FOR ALL UTILITIES ACROSS THE STATE. WE WERE ABLE, THROUGH OUR PARTICIPATION, TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT BY $100 MILLION AND THEY SETTLED AT 3.4 BILLION. THE ALLOCATION IS APPROVED. SO WHILE I'M NOT THRILLED TO TELL YOU THAT GAS UTILITY CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR WINTER STORM URI FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS OR SO, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE BROUGHT $100 MILLION OF VALUE TO UTILITY CUSTOMERS STATEWIDE BECAUSE OF OUR EFFORTS AND OURS ALONE. WE WERE ACTIVE IN THE 87TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION AS WELL, THAT WE HAD A RECORD NUMBER OF GAS UTILITY BILLS BECAUSE OF OUR STORM, URI, AND WE WERE ABLE TO INFLUENCE A NUMBER OF THEM. AND THEN FINALLY, THE RAILROAD COMMISSION, AS A RESULT OF LEGISLATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE 87.5 SESSION, HAS HAD TWO RULEMAKING PROJECTS, ONE DEALING WITH IDENTIFICATION OF CRITICAL GAS LOAD, AND THE OTHER ONE ADDRESSING METHODS TO ENSURE RELIABLE GAS SUPPLY. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND FILED COMMENTS AND INDEED ON THE IDENTIFICATION OF A CRITICAL GAS LOAD PROJECT OR EXCUSE ME, RULEMAKING. THE COMMISSION ADOPTED A NUMBER OF OUR COMMENTS. SO THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ACTIVITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS YEAR, HAVING TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, IF YOU LIKE. SO EARLIER YOU HAD SAID AS A MEMBER CITY, OUR RESIDENTS ARE OR WERE PAYING LESS. HOW MUCH LESS? JUST THE OTHER DAY WHEN THEY FILED WHEN THEY FILED THEIR RMB, THEY PROVIDED ME WITH SOME DATA. I'VE GOT THAT HERE. JUST GIVE ME ONE BRIEF MOMENT. SO IF YOU COMPARE HFC CITIES TO THOSE CITIES THAT HAVE THE GAS RELIABILITY INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM OR QUIP OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, 2018 TO 2021, THOSE INCREASES HAVE BEEN COMPANYWIDE 341 MILLION. THE RMB TOTALS ARE THREE 18.4. SO AND SO THAT'S A SAVINGS OF 20.2 MILLION ROUGHLY. EXCUSE ME, 22 MILLION. EXCUSE ME, ROUGHLY. BUT OUR STARTING POINT WAS ALREADY LOWER. THE RATE DIFFERENTIAL, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME 1/2. YEAH. SO FOR FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, THE 8 P.M. GRIP CUSTOMER IS PAYING ABOUT $1.16 PER MONTH HIGHER THAN OUR OUR GROUP ACCESS CITIES. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE NOW FOR THOSE CITIES. AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD THAT WILL THAT AMOUNT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS OR A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPENDING ON WHETHER RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER USES MORE OR LESS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE FIGURE THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE FOR AN AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER. PAID PER MONTH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS AN ATMOS GAS CUSTOMER, MY BILL TRIPLED IN JANUARY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. WELL, THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO INCREASES IN THE PRICE OF NATURAL GAS. THEY HAVE NOT HAD A BASE RATE CHANGE SINCE WELL, SINCE NOVEMBER. THAT'S WHEN THE 2021 RRM WENT INTO EFFECT. THIS YEAR IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT OCCURS. THEY HAVE DELAYED IT THE LAST TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF COVID. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR SOMEONE ON CITY STAFF WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR CITY THAT'S ON GAS? WE'D HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. HUH? YEAH. [03:10:01] SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS SO WE'RE WE'RE BEING EXPECTED TO PAY $0.05 PER CAPITA, BUT IS THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN IN WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE GAS? DO WE KNOW FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, OR ARE THEY GAS OR ARE THEY ELECTRIC? OR IS IT A MIX? I FEEL LIKE IT'S MOSTLY ELECTRIC. ANYBODY KNOW? NO, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SHAKE UP A LITTLE BIT. SO I LOOK AT THIS STUFF KIND OF LIKE THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY AT MOST IS GOING TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY EACH YEAR, KNOWING THEY'RE GOING TO GET BEAT BACK SOME EACH YEAR. AND SO GRADUALLY OVER TIME, THEY'LL ASK FOR FIVE. WE THOUGHT WE GOT A WIN BECAUSE WE GOT PUSH THEM BACK A DOLLAR AND THEY GO UP FOUR AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR THEY THREE MORE. AND SO TO ME IT HELPS DRIVE UP COSTS. I HAVEN'T SUPPORTED TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING. BEFORE PLAYING ON NOW. AND IF HE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET ATMOS TO RELOCATE A LINE ALONG LIVE OAK, MAYBE HE'D HAVE ME. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTO PAYING. BUT SINCE WE CAN'T EVEN GET THAT TO HAPPEN, AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT LAST YEAR, THERE'S SOME KIND OF BENEFIT THAT WE'RE IN IF OUR AREA, WE'RE NOT INVOLVED. LIKE I DON'T REMEMBER TAYLOR AND SOME OTHER CITIES BEING INVOLVED IN THIS. WE STILL GET THE BENEFIT WHEN THEY BEAT BACK THE VAST MAJORITY. SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH, BUT IT'S A PRINCIPLE. I THINK LAST YEAR THE MAJORITY OF US WERE NOT IN FAVOR, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE ROI WAS. YEAH, I DON'T. I'M NOT A FAN. SO DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T PARTICIPATE? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL PAY THOSE WHO HAVE GAS MADE. COUNSELOR? EXCUSE ME. AND YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, BEN. I'M FINE. IT'S NOT CLEAR WITHOUT A QUESTION FOR ME. IT'S A QUESTION FOR ANYBODY THAT CAN ANSWER IT. WELL, IF I MAY, I CAN TELL YOU ONE OUTCOME IS YOU WOULD BE NO LONGER ON THE RMB AND YOU WOULD BE ON GRIP, WHICH MEANS YOUR THE AMOUNT THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS AND THE CITY'S ACCOUNTS. THE CITY HAS GAS ACCOUNTS WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY. SIMPLY BY MOVING. SIMPLY BY NOT PARTICIPATING THE DOLLAR 16 HIGHER. HOW MUCH HIGHER? I THINK HE SAID A DOLLAR 16. OKAY. FOUR AGAIN, FOR AN AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS. I'M LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I THINK THE OTHER THING WE LOSE IS WE'D HAVE TO DO OUR OWN LOBBYING TO OUR STATE REPS FOR GAS ISSUES, WHICH IS FINE. AND LET ME ALSO, IF I MAY, MENTIONED AND I'M WELL FAMILIAR WITH THE IDEA OF TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING. AND AND I DON'T INTEND TO GET INTO THAT DEBATE HERE TONIGHT. BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR ADVOCACY IS FOR TWO THINGS RELIABLY GAS, UTILITY SERVICE AND REASONABLE RATES. SO THE THE CRITICISM THAT I'VE ALWAYS HEARD AGAINST TAXPAYER FUNDED LOBBYING WAS THAT THAT THERE WAS THIS NOTION THAT CERTAIN CITIES ARE ADVOCATING FOR ITEMS THAT MAY NOT BE OR MAY BE AT ODDS WITH THE CITIZENS OR BE HIGHER OR WOULD IMPOSE HIGHER COST UPON TAXPAYERS. AND SO ONE THING I WOULD JUST MAKE VERY CLEAR TO YOU ALL IS OUR ADVOCACY IS 100% TOWARDS RELIABLE SERVICE AND LOWER REASONABLE RATES. SINCE CERTAIN WE DID HAVE ENERGY GAS DURING URI. I DID, BUT I PAY MORE FOR IT NOW. I'M JUST KIDDING. I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL. MR. MAYOR? YES, SIR. I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE GET A LIST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS AND SEE IF WE CAN PROVIDE SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTION SO YOU CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION. YEAH, I AGREE. OKAY. I'M TABLING THIS FOR ANOTHER MEETING. NO OBJECTIONS. WRITE THOSE IN EMAIL. PLEASE HAVE US ALL EMAIL. EMAIL QUESTIONS. YES. THAT BRINGS US UP TO ITEM 1201. OH, SURE. AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK, I HAD A REQUEST TO MOVE 1206 AND 1207. [03:15:05] NOW, I'M SORRY, SORRY. 1204 AND 12 0504 12 FIVE. OKAY. SO BREAK 14 MINUTES, START BACK UP AT 1030. OKAY, WE'RE. ALL RIGHT. 1031 BACK FROM A SHORT RECESS THERE. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO MOVE UP ITEMS 1204 TO 1205 IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. ITEM 12 FOUR DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON TRANSITIONING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FROM CITY [12.4. Discuss and consider action on transitioning Executive Director from city employee to HEDC employee (Mike Arismendez)] EMPLOYEE TO EDC EMPLOYEE. MR.. MR. CHAIRMAN. MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR PURPOSES OF RECORDING. MY NAME IS MIKE SPANISH. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. I WANT TO THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR. IT'S BEEN A IT'S BEEN A BLAST. IT'S BEEN FUN. OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY, VERY ACTIVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON. AND I THINK IT'S EVIDENT BY THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS WE'VE HAD TO HAVE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AS WE'RE MOVING GOING FORWARD, WE SEEM TO HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE TRANSITIONS GOING ON WITH CONTRACTS THAT ARE DUE. WE GOT A DUE DATE ON THEM, A DATE THAT WE'VE GOT TO FINISH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO RENEW THE OPTIONS AND ALL THESE THINGS WE'RE HAVING TO DO. SO IT'S BEEN EVIDENT IN THE LAST PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS WE'VE HAD IN A MONTH IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE VERY ACTIVE. WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON. SO FOR THAT, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU, LET YOU KNOW THAT BOB IS DOING A GREAT JOB. I THINK WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT BOARD. SO I DO WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON FINDING THAT. I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A REPLACEMENT, SO WE HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL CONTINUE TO FIND QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROVIDE A DIVERSITY TO THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE VARIOUS INDUSTRIES THAT WE THINK THAT CAN STRENGTHEN THE BOARD. AND SO WE HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN THAT. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT ITEM. I THINK IT'S 12.4. I WANTED TO KNOW THAT ALSO 12.5 IS KIND OF INCORPORATED IN THIS DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION. SO YOU MAY SEE ME KIND OF FLOATING IN AND OUT OF BOTH OF THEM, BUT JUST KIND OF SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A SMOOTH TRANSITION. I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS THAT THE EDC CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT WALKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY. AND WHEN I MEAN CITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, THE CITY MANAGER, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE CITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. IT DOES US NO GOOD TO BEGIN TO START TALKING TO ENTITIES ABOUT A TERS OR ANY TYPE OF TAX INCENTIVES, BECAUSE THAT'S GOT TO BE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE'VE HAD TO HAVE THAT HAND IN HAND RELATIONSHIP, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WE BEGIN TO START TRANSITIONING TO THE BOARD EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND. I'M GOING TO TURN MESSED UP HERE THAT WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS THE ABILITY FOR US TO BRING THE EDC DIRECTOR BACK UNDER THE EDC BOARD FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT AWARE FROM THE PUBLIC. YEARS AGO, THE EDC HAD A ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THROUGH SOME HISTORY THAT TOOK PLACE, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO. BUT THE CITY TOOK THE DIRECTOR UNDER THEIR WINGS, PUT THEM UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CITY MANAGER, AND HE'S BEEN IN THAT CAPACITY EVER SINCE. AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A VERY STRONG BOARD NOW. WE HAVE A EXCELLENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, AS EVIDENT BY THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. AND SO I BEGAN TO START HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH A FEW OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR OF SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT BRINGING THE EDC DIRECTOR BACK UNDER THE BOARD. A PART OF WHAT WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT IS ADDITIONAL STAFF, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT BOB IS JUST GETTING RUN OVER AND HE'S RELYING ON CITY STAFF TO DO SOME OF THE WORK FOR EDC. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE CITY STAFF HAVE OTHER THINGS ON THEIR PLATE. THEY'VE GOT TO DO PLANNING, THEY'VE GOT TO DO WATER, THEY'VE GOT TO DO PIO. THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT IT'S ALREADY ENCOMPASSED IN THEIR JOB DUTIES. AND WE'RE ASKING THEM, CAN YOU CARVE OUT A LITTLE TIME TO DO SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO HIRE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF PERSON FOR BOB TO BE ABLE TO HELP US DO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OF COURSE, WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF SAMSUNG, OUR VOLUME HAS INCREASED. WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT PRIOR TO SAMSUNG BEING ANNOUNCED IN TAYLOR, PEOPLE WERE WALKING AROUND KICKING THE TIRES ON THAT VEHICLE, KICKING THE CAR, KICKING THE TIRES ON THE CAR, AND NOW THEY'RE LINING UP TO BUY THE CAR. [03:20:02] AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE THE MONDAY AFTER WE GOT BACK AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT, BOB, THE PHONE JUST KIND OF WENT OFF. I MEAN, IT JUST WENT OFF. IT WENT CRAZY. AND SO THAT IS A TESTAMENT AS TO EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT. THE COMPANIES, THE ENTITIES ARE LOOKING AT WITH THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO HELP DECREASE THAT BY ASKING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL HELP. NOW, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS. CONTINUE TO HAVE AUTONOMY WITH THE EDC. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT WALKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I CAN TELL YOU THAT ISAAC HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING HELP WITH US. HE'S ALLOWED BOB TO DO HIS JOB. HE'S ALLOWED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO IN THE COURSE OF BUSINESS WITH THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP ESTABLISHED WITH OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO I TELL YOU, FOR THAT, I DO TAKE MY HATS OFF TO ISAAC AND SAY HE'S BEEN EXCELLENT IN THAT. BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO EMBARK TO SEARCH FOR ANOTHER CITY MANAGER. AND WITHOUT BRINGING UP EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HIRE A CITY MANAGER OR THAT YOU HIRE CITY MANAGER. THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE WAY WE WERE BEFORE. AND THAT'S THE FEAR THAT I HAVE, AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THE AUTONOMY OF KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THE DIRECTOR SHOULD LOOK AT LONG TERM. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM GAIN. PROVIDING THAT PLAN IS LIKE A IT'S LIKE A GAME, FOOTBALL GAME. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN BEFORE WE STEP OUT. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE MAY SHIFT AND PIVOT THROUGH THE WHOLE COURSE OF THIS WHOLE GAME, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG GAME, WORKING WITH THE CITY, WHOEVER'S THERE, BUT WORKING WITH THEM, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD IS THE ONES KIND OF SETTING THAT DIRECTION OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT WE WANT TO SEEK OUT, THE SECTORS WE WANT TO FIND. AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS HANDING US THE ABILITY TO TURN AND GO OUT AND DO THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE THE AUTONOMY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I MENTIONED THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF EXPERIENCE ON OUR BOARD, WHICH I AGAIN, I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SEEK THAT OUT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BANKER. WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS A COMMISSIONER, A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE. BUT THAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS OWNERS, WE'VE GOT A MARKETING PERSON, THEY'VE GOT ME THAT'S KIND OF JUST RIDING THE SHIP AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO OFF THE RAILS. SO WE'VE GOT A GREAT VARIETY. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO ONE THING I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT THE AUTONOMY IS ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THAT WE'VE ALREADY INSTITUTED A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCE THAT I THINK CAN ONLY BE STRENGTHENED AND MORE. YOU ALLOWED FOR ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS TO BE ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WHICH SERVES AS MAYOR SNYDER HE'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD, WHICH IS GOOD. AND I HAVE INVITED EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE HERE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEETING, IF WE GO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, I INVITE YOU TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK THE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE THAT THE COUNCIL WAS NOT AWARE OF OR KIND OF JUST TURNED A BLIND EYE TO. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. THAT'S THE REASON I'M TALKING ABOUT OPEN TRANSPARENCY, WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU SIT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXECUTIVE SESSION AND YOU HEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXECUTIVE SESSIONS AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS PROJECTS, THE INCENTIVES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE AT THE END, THOSE INCENTIVES ARE GOING TO COME TO YOU. IT DOES TWO THINGS. ONE, IT MAKES YOU WELL VERSED WHEN WE GET THERE TO THE COUNCIL SIDE. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE DIRECTION THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS MOVING AND GOING TOWARDS. I TELL YOU THAT THE FINAL DISPOSITION LIES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WILL POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN IF WE BECOME OUR OWN ENTITY WITH OUR OWN DEVELOPED DIRECTOR. ALL I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT IF WE ARE NOT DOING WHAT YOU EXPECT US TO DO, IF WE'RE GOING OFF THE RAILS, THEN I WOULD TELL YOU, ASK ME TO RESIGN AND I WILL RESIGN. REPLACE ME, REPLACE THE BOARD. BECAUSE THAT'S THE AUTONOMY THAT THAT'S THE DISPOSITION THAT YOU HAVE. THE COUNCIL HAS FINAL SAY. SO ON ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE THAT WE BRING, ANY PROJECT THAT WE BRING LIES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ALL DAY. WE'LL DO THE WORK. BUT WE CANNOT PUT ANYBODY IN IF THE TERM DOESN'T GO THROUGH AS AN EXAMPLE. WE CAN'T PUT ANYBODY IN IF WE TURN AROUND AND TRY TO OFFER 5050 INCENTIVES. THAT'S BASED ON THE COUNCIL. WE GET SALES TAX IS HOW WE'RE FUNDED. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT OFFERS PROPERTY TAX INCENTIVES. [03:25:01] THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND RECOMMEND IT. SO WHEN YOU COME IN AND TALK ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS. THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO IT, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING. SO I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THAT IS THE CASE. I DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FROM THE COUNCIL. ONE OF THEM IS TO ALLOW ME TO COME BEFORE YOU QUARTERLY AND PRESENT TO THIS COUNCIL WHERE WE'RE AT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND PROVIDE A REPORT TO YOU. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST MAYBE EXPANDING COUNCIL PARTICIPATION BY APPOINTING ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER TO BE ON THE BOARD AT ALL TIMES. AND ANOTHER THING, WE HAD A RECENT INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE WHICH KIND OF SPURRED MY THOUGHT ON THIS IS MAYBE WE NEED CREATE A POSITION FOR THE SUPERINTENDENT OF HISD TO ALSO SERVE AS AN EX-OFFICIO MEMBER ON THE EDC BOARD THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE 313 AGREEMENTS THAT COULD HAPPEN FROM AN INCENTIVE, TAX INCENTIVE FROM THE SCHOOL SIDE. SO WHEN THEY TAKE IT BACK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, WELL, GUESS WHAT? NOW THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY TALK IN FULL FORCE ABOUT WHAT IT IS. THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN AN NDA AND THEY CAN MAYBE SEEK TO PROVIDE THAT ALSO FOR THEIR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS OF AN NDA. AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THAT. I WAS ASKED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER TO PROVIDE SOME DIFFERENT DATA ON SOME VARIOUS CITIES AND WHAT THEY DO, WHO THEY REPORT TO AND THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SETUP. YOU SEE IN HERE, I PROVIDED YOU WITH VARIOUS CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT ARE EITHER LARGER THAN WE ARE ALMOST THE SAME SIZE OR SMALLER THAN WE ARE. AND I CAN TELL YOU, IT PRETTY MUCH GOES 5050. SO WE'LL ANSWER DIRECTLY THE CITY MANAGER, SOME ANSWER TO A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND AGAIN, WALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER. SO I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THIS AND I'M PROVIDING IT. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THIS IS STILL A DECISION THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE HERE IN HUTTO OF HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS. BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AND TRYING TO FIND A CITY, THAT'S GOT TO GUIDE US TO THAT PATH. I'M TELLING YOU, WHAT I FOUND IS THAT PRETTY MUCH 5050, THE HIGHER UP YOU GO INTO 60, 70,000, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO FIND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT STAND ALONE WITH ITS OWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. BUT OUR SIZE, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THIS. SO WHAT'S MY ASK? MY ASK IS TO THE COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO GO BACK AND CREATE JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, MARKETING MANAGER, COORDINATOR, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, CREATE THAT, THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND BRING IT BACK TO THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN LOOK FOR A TRANSITION DATE OF HAVING BOB UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BEGIN IN JUNE ONE AND THEN ALLOW HIM TO BE ABLE TO START INTERVIEWING AND HIRING SOME HELP. THE ONE THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST A YEAR THAT BOB HAS BEEN HERE, HE HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS SIMPLY DEALING WITH THE MEGA-SITE AND IT CALLS IT INQUIRIES COMING IN. HE'S JUST RECENTLY NOW BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND START DOING RECRUITMENT AND ACTUALLY SEEKING AND GOING OUT AND TRYING TO FIND COMPANIES TO COME IN. SO FOR ABOUT A YEAR, HE'S KIND OF BEEN PLAYING DEFENSE AND NOW WE'RE GOING ON THE OFFENSE. THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE WORK, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THOSE VOLUME OF CALLS AND WORK TO INCREASE. AND SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HE'S GOING TO NEED SOME HELP IN THAT SO THAT WE'RE RELYING ON JUST OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT'S GOING TO RELIEVE CITY STAFF TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. WE'LL STILL RELY ON THEM ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED, BUT WE'LL KNOW THAT THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE AT EDC WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE. BOB IS EXTREMELY BUSY. BOB NEEDS HELP. THE SOONER THE BETTER. HIRING SOMEBODY TAKES A LOT OF TIME. WE HAVE A VERY EXPERIENCED H.R. PERSON WITH THE CITY WHO JUST DID AN EXTREMELY CAPABLE JOB OF RUNNING A POLICE CHIEF. YOU KNOW, SEARCH THROUGH THE CITY, INTERVIEW, PROCESS EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT PERSON TO REALLY DO A LOT OF THE WORK HELPING TO BRING IN. I MEAN, WE NEED BOB TO TO WE NEED THE BOARD. WE NEED BOB TO GIVE INPUT INTO WHAT THEY NEED IN THE POSITION. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT LED BY THE CITY HR PERSON INSTEAD OF LED BY BOB. AND I AGREE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A PART OF THE CITY SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE. WE WOULD SEEK THE HR DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO HELP POST THE POSITION, MAKE SURE THE JOBS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THAT POSITION, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL STATE LAWS. AND WE WOULD SEEK OUT THE HR DIRECTOR TO HELP US OUT THROUGH OUR CITY SERVICES AGREEMENT. AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE 1ST. I WOULD RATHER START THAT HIRING PROCESS AS SOON AS WE CAN. [03:30:04] AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY TRANSITION? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SUGGESTION A TRANSITION ON THE BUDGET BOUNDARY OF OCTOBER 1ST WOULD WOULD SOMETHING LIKE WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK OF TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY SOONER AND THEN TRANSITIONING BOTH EMPLOYEES ON OCTOBER 1ST? AND I THINK THAT I'M SORRY, I THINK ISAAC WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. MR. MAYOR, WHEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS, IF I COULD, JUST IN GENERAL, AND I THINK THAT'LL PROBABLY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, FIRST OF ALL. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT I'VE REALLY APPRECIATED WORKING WITH BOB. HE'S A VERY SEASONED, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. VERY RESPONSIBLE, AND I APPRECIATED THAT. MR. MENDEZ WE HAD A TALK FAIRLY EARLY ON WHEN I GOT HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HIM. HE'S DOING A WONDERFUL JOB FOR YOU. I LIKE THE WAY HE THINKS. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND I'LL SAY THE SAME THING AND HE'S SAYING BASICALLY THE SAME THING HE TOLD ME. THEN I'LL TELL HIM THE SAME THING THAT THAT I TOLD HIM. AT THAT TIME I HAVE WORKED NOT ONLY SEEN OR SURVEYED, I HAVE WORKED WITH OBVIOUSLY WITH MR. THOMAS AND TAYLOR THAT YOU SAW THERE. I'VE WORKED WITH THE DIRECTOR REPORTING TO ME, I THINK THIS IS ABOUT MY THIRD ONE IS REPORTED TO ME. I'VE WORKED WITH REPORTING TO BOARDS ALL THE WAY BACK AND. THE LATE NINETIES IN MCKINNEY WHERE THEY WERE REPORTED TO BOARDS AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BOTH WAYS AND IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE PEOPLE, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE OVERSIGHT PROVIDED BY THE COUNCIL. EITHER WAY, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ONES HAVE WORKED SEAMLESSLY BETWEEN THE COUNCIL HAVING ESTABLISHED THE GOALS, THE EDC HAVING GOALS, THE STAFF AND THE EDC STAFF WORKING TOGETHER. I AM VERY PRO GETTING BOB SOME HELP YESTERDAY AND I DIDN'T HADN'T SEEN THIS TIMELINE BUT I WOULD JUST SAY. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO LEAVE IT REPORTING TO THE CITY UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, BECAUSE, ONE, IT'S NOT BROKE RIGHT NOW. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I REALLY DO. BUT IT'S PRETTY EASY TO LET SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING THEIR JOB KNOWS HOW TO DO THEIR JOB, TO LET THEM DO IT AND TO COACH THEM AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN THEIR WAY. AND I'M NOT HERE TO GET ANYBODY'S WAY. SO ALLOW BOB TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT PROVIDE HIM SOME SUPPORT SO YOU CAN EXPAND HIS BANDWIDTH FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. THE AMOUNT OF TIME STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND IN PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RELATED THINGS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE ADDITION OF ONE PERSON FOR BOB. THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PARTICIPATE. I'M HOPEFUL THEY'LL PARTICIPATE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO PARTICIPATE WITH VARIOUS PLANNING PROCESSES. STILL, THEY WILL STILL NEED SUPPORT FROM OUR MEDIA PEOPLE AND COMMUNICATIONS FOLKS, HOPEFULLY NOT AS MUCH. THERE WILL BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES, I THINK, TO COMMUNICATE MORE WITH BUSINESSES WHO ARE ALREADY HERE AND HELP WITH THAT RETENTION AND EXPANSION ON THAT. ALSO, MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A BACKUP FOR BOB IN CASE OF SUCCESSION ISSUES, IF THAT'S THAT'S NEEDED. I KNOW HUTTLE IS CONSTANTLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A REPEAT OF THE PAST, AND THERE'S LEGITIMACY IN THAT. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MY EXPERIENCE IS IN THE PROFESSION. WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN HUTTO IS AN ANOMALY. I DON'T THINK. I KNOW I'M NOT SEEN. ANYTHING AS EGREGIOUS TO THIS LEVEL. PERIOD. I DARE SAY THAT PROBABLY MR. MENDEZ, ALTHOUGH HE'S PROBABLY SEEING SOME ANOMALIES, PROBABLY HAS NOT SEEN THAT EITHER. I WOULD CAUTION THE COUNCIL TO. YOU DO KIND OF WANT TO PLAN FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO TO GUIDE HOW YOU ACT AND INTERACT WITH YOUR OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION THAT'S WORKING. BUT YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU HAD ONE THAT WASN'T WORKING. IF I WAS GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT MANAGER, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER NOT BRINGING THAT BAGGAGE INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP. I RESPECT WHAT MR. ESMOND HAS IS SAYING. WE JUST DISAGREE ON THAT ONE POINT. HUDDLES GOT A LOT OF THINGS COMING. A LOT OF THINGS GOING. WE REALLY NEED, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TO UNDERGIRD THE CURRENT DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES SO THAT THE INFORMATION FLOW WORKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, SO THAT THE SO THAT THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS IN PLACE, SO THAT AS THIS INCREASES, BECAUSE I THINK WE BOTH AGREE THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IS GOING TO INCREASE. [03:35:02] AND I'M HOPEFUL AND PRAYERFUL THAT AS YOU ALL DO YOUR COMP PLAN, YOU IDENTIFY ANOTHER AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER SO THAT THIS IS NOT THE END ALL, CURE ALL, THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. AND THAT YOU DEVELOP SYSTEMS, YOU DEVELOP MORE STAFF OVER TIME SO THAT YOU CAN HANDLE IT IN A BETTER IN A BETTER VEIN THAN EVEN WHAT WE CAN DO NOW. SO MERRIMAN IS THE COUNSEL. I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT. I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN HIRING PEOPLE AND CERTAINLY THE STAFF CAN HELP WITH THAT. WE'LL HAVE TO HELP WITH THAT NO MATTER WHERE THE POSITION REPORTS DO. I BELIEVE AND AS YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THE POLICE CHIEF HIRING PROCESS, WHETHER THIS REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER THAT YOU SEE ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, IT'S NOT A DECISION TO ME IN MY ROOM SAYING, OH, THIS IS THE PERSON. IT WASN'T AT ALL, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY I DO THINGS. GRANTED, SOMEBODY ELSE COMING IN HERE MAY DO IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WILL INVOLVE BOARD MEMBERS. IT WILL INVOLVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IT WILL INVOLVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE THAT REMAINS EVEN AFTER I LEAVE. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BE QUIET NOW, BUT I JUST WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE NOT MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT NOW, MAKE IT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, HAVE US WORK ON IT JOINTLY TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THE PROS AND CONS OF IT. ALLOW YOUR NEW MANAGER, YOUR NEW COUNCIL AND THE EDC BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON THAT DISCUSSION. QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL. MR. MAYOR. BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, THERE'S A COUPLE POINTS I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT. SURE. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A DICHOTOMY THAT GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF SELECTING OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS LOOKED AT THE WAY THAT THIS PROCESS WORKS, AND THEY'VE DEFINED A DISTINCTION IS THAT THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND SO IF THE CITY MANAGER UNDER THE CHARTER SELECTS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE BOARD, THEN YOU HAVE A A APPARENT CONFLICT. NOW THERE'S WAYS TO GET AROUND THAT BY POLICY OR PROCEDURE, IS THAT IF THERE'S A PERSON THAT THE CITY MANAGER FINDS THAT BEFORE HE'S THAT PERSON IS EMPLOYED, FOR INSTANCE, THE BOARD CAN BE CONSENT TO THAT APPOINTMENT. AND THEN BOTH OF THEM HAVE AGREED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PERSON. BUT THEN IN THE BACK DOOR, BECAUSE OF A QUARTER CENTURY OF DEALING WITH THIS, UNFORTUNATELY, THEN THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES IN SOME PARTS WHERE YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE LOYAL TO HIS EMPLOYER AND THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, TURN LEFT AND THE BOARD SAYS, TURN RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT I SAY, YOU'RE FIRED. WELL, IF HE IF HE GETS FIRED, THEN THE BOARD LOSES THAT PERSON. AND SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT REALLY HAVE THE CONTROL OVER THAT IS YOU. BECAUSE YOU GET TO PICK THE CITY MANAGER, YOU GET TO PICK PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD NEVER SELECT ANOTHER CITY MANAGER THAT WOULD ABUSE HIS POWER THE WAY THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED AND THAT YOU ARE NOT SURROUNDED WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE ONE PERSON'S SIDE OVER THE ANOTHER BY PROFESSIONALS, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF OUR ETHICAL CODES. AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S KIND OF A 5050 BOARD THAT THE CHAIR SHOWED YOU IS THAT EACH ORGANIZATION CAN FIND THEIR OWN WAY BECAUSE EVERY CITY HAS ITS OWN PERSONALITY. BUT WHEN WHEN YOU HAVE THESE SHARED EMPLOYEES ALSO, IF THERE IS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT COMPLAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT COMES THROUGH BOTH. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS CONSIDERED AN INDEPENDENT AND DISTINCT EMPLOYER FROM THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THAT IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CLAIMS THAT UNDER UNDER STATE LAW AND FEDERAL LAW THAT REQUIRE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES. AND SO IF SOMEBODY IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, YOU HAVE 100 EMPLOYEES, SAY IF SOMEBODY IS EMPLOYED WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE. WELL, THE LAWS ARE GOING TO APPLY DIFFERENTLY BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION AND THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO A 100 PERSON GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. AND SO THE WAY THAT THE EMPLOYMENT LAWS WORK AND SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT APPLY TO THIS DECISION. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF THOSE. SO YOU HAVE THAT KNOWING CHOICE. MR. TURNER. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS VERY, VERY CAREFULLY. I WALKED INTO A KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN ONE TIME. [03:40:03] THEY HAD A SIGN ON THE WALL THAT SAYS, WE HAVE A DEAL WITH THE BANK. THEY DON'T FRIED CHICKEN AND WE DON'T CASH CHECKS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE NOTICED IN THIS ORGANIZATION IS THAT THE ROLES AND BOUNDARIES HAVE SOMETIMES BEEN. WALKED OVER. SUPERSEDED. I AM YOUR MANAGER. IF I'M GOING TO DO A HIGHER. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND ME, AND IF I'M ABOUT TO MAKE A MISTAKE, SOMEBODY PLEASE SAY SOMETHING. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE ATTORNEY'S ROLE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS A MANAGER COUNCIL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DISCUSSION AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT UNLESS I'M ABOUT TO CROSS A LEGAL LINE. IF YOU WOULD LET US HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I FELT AS THOUGH. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN OPINION AND THAT'S NICE. EVERYBODY DOES. BUT DON'T FRIED CHICKEN. MARY, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS I AGREE WITH. YOUR CITY MANAGER, ISAAC TURNER, THAT THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICES TO BE USED NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL WE DO. WE FIGHT A CHICKEN. WE DON'T CASH THE CHECKS. CHECKS ARE BEING CASHED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICES. SO WE KNOW OUR ROLE. BUT THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS AND I'M NOT SURE IF A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW BOB WAS HIRED, BUT WE WENT OUT THROUGH SDR AND WE PUT A POSTING OUT THERE AND WE CAME IN AND THEY WENT THROUGH, NARROWED IT DOWN AND WENT THROUGH IT ALL. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT WORKED WAS THAT AT THE TIME THE CHAIRMAN, STEVEN HARRIS, MYSELF, AND THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER, SHAUN LUCAS, WERE ASKED TO HELP WARREN. HUT, HUT! MARKER! SELECT OR GIVE INPUT ON THE SELECTION OF THE NEXT EDC DIRECTOR. SO WE CAME IN AND WE INTERVIEWED A FEW CANDIDATES. BOB STOOD OUT ABOVE THEM ALL. BUT THE FINAL DECISION BELONGED TO THE FORMER CITY MANAGER. WE SIMPLY PROVIDED INPUT. OKAY. SO TO SAY THAT THE EDC SELECTED BOB WAS NOT CORRECT. THE ADC ASSISTED AND PROVIDED INPUT TO THIS FORMER CITY MANAGER. HE MADE THE SELECTION. AND WHY? BECAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, THE CITY MANAGER HIRES THE ADC DIRECTOR. NOW. I AGREE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND. THE CITY MANAGER IS CORRECT. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT GEORGE IS THE COUNCIL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HE IS CORRECT IN THE FACT THAT THE BOARD IS INDEPENDENT AS A SEPARATE CORPORATION FROM THE CITY. AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY, IF WE HAVE STAFF, IS TO ADMINISTER EMPLOYEE POLICIES TO THAT INDIVIDUAL. NOW, WE MAY SIMPLY ADOPT WHAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US AND WE'LL DO THAT. BUT AGAIN, PROVIDING THE CITY SERVICES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES. AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AND HE'S CORRECT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING AS SUCH AN EGREGIOUS LEVEL AS IT WAS HAD BEFORE WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT WAS HERE THAT DID EVERYTHING. WE AGREE WITH THAT. IN MY TIME IN CITY GOVERNMENT, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I HOPE THAT THAT IS AN ANOMALY. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I WANT TO RISK THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD. AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, THEN THE EDC CAN TURN AROUND AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. IF IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT HAS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR UNDER HIS AUSPICE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY ANSWER TO THE CITY, NOT US. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUDGET AND AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT HE WANTED TO WAIT TILL THE BUDGET. THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ONE, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE REASONING WAITING FOR BUDGET. THE MONEY IS FUNDED OUT OF EDC AS A PASS THROUGH MONEY GOING THROUGH THE CITY TO PAY FOR FOR BOB'S SALARY. IT'S PASSED THROUGH. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'S NOT BEING USED TO TO PROP UP THE BUDGET IS THE REASON WE WANT TO WAIT FOR BUDGET. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE AT ALL. WHICH LEADS ME BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POINT WAS IT'S A PASS THROUGH, SO I DON'T SEE WHAT WHAT THE POINT OF WAITING FOR THE BUDGET CYCLE IS. [03:45:02] THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS WE WILL START THE BUDGET CYCLE. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE BUDGET CYCLE ENDS IN SEPTEMBER OF 22 FOR THE OCTOBER ONE START DATE. IF YOU CAN GUARANTEE ME THAT ISAAC WILL BE HERE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, THEN I'M OKAY WAITING FOR THE BUDGET. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT GUARANTEE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. AND TRUST ME, IF I IF YOU TRY AND CAME TO ME THE NEXT DAY AND SAID, HEY, WE DECIDED AND ISAAC ACCEPTED, HE'S GOING TO BE OUR CITY MANAGER, I'LL SAY, OKAY, ALL BETS ARE OFF. I'LL PULL IT OFF THE TABLE. BECAUSE I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT HE'S TELLING ME. HE'S DONE NOTHING BUT SHOW ME EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS SAID. I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THAT. BUT THAT'S NOT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A LINEAGE OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHO THAT IS. THE STORY THAT THAT GEORGE GAVE OR COUNSEL GEORGE HAD GAVE IS CORRECT. IF IF THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, TURN LEFT AND WE'RE TELLING HIM TO TURN RIGHT. WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO? AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ON THE EDC AND THAT I'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH ALSO. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S DO THIS. JUST BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. CAN I ASK FOR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT MR. FARLEY IN A WEIRD SPOT, SO YOU MAY RESPECTFULLY DECLINE. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? AND BY THE WAY IN A LOT OF A LOT OF OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO PUT I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE IN A KIND OF A WEIRD PREDICAMENT. I KNOW. SURE YOU CAN YOU CAN DECLINE. AND I WILL NOT BE I'LL TRY TO BE AS DIPLOMATIC AS I CAN BE, BUT I GUESS THE ISSUE REALLY IS SHORT TERM. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. SO THE SHORT TERM PRIORITY CLEARLY IS HAS BEEN STATED IS LET'S GET SOME MORE HELP. JUST LIKE ENGINEERING HAS A LOT ON THEIR PLATE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS A LOT ON THEIR PLATE. YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY WE'VE BECOME THE HOT SPOT IN THE AUSTIN MARKET AND WE DON'T WANT TO FUMBLE OUR OPPORTUNITIES. I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING QUALITY PROJECTS NOW, THE LIKES OF WHICH WE'VE NEVER SEEN AS A COMMUNITY, AND IT TAKES A LOT OF HARD WORK AND COMMITMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE THINGS INTO THE END ZONE AS WELL AS SOME SHORT TERM WORK. THE LONG GAME IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ABOUT FOCUS, SO IT DOESN'T MUCH MATTER IF YOU'RE HUTTO OR HILLWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS OF ATTRACTING AND SUSTAINING LONG TERM GROWTH. YOU GET UP EVERY DAY AND YOU WORK EVERY DAY ON THAT SUBJECT, AND THE MORE LASER LOCKED YOU ARE AND THE MORE BEADED YOU ARE AND YOUR FOCUS, THE BETTER YOU DO. AND I THINK A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND GETTING THINGS BACK IN EDC IS TO HAVE THAT LOCKSTEP. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WE JUST DO CHICKEN AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE OF DAYS WE THROW IN THE CRISPY RECIPE, BUT WE DON'T DO MUCH MORE THAN THAT. AND I THINK WE'RE BETTER SERVED AS A COMMUNITY IF WE TAKE THAT FOCUS, NOT WHILE I'M HERE AND NOT NECESSARILY EVEN WHILE YOU'RE HERE, BUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, ETC., WHEN WE'VE BUILT OUT THE MEGA-SITE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL LAND, WHEN THIS HAS BECOME THE EPICENTER OF A LOT OF HIGH TECH WORK THAT'S GOING TO GO ON IN THE AUSTIN METRO AREA. SO THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO GET US THERE ULTIMATELY IS TO HAVE THE FOCUS AND THE STAFF ASSOCIATED WITH THE EDC IN ONE PLACE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S MY SPEECH. MR. CHAIR, HOW DOES THE REST OF YOUR BOARD FEEL ABOUT THIS DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN OUR BOARD MEETING, AND THE ONLY THING THAT I ASKED THEM AT THAT TIME WAS A A CONSENSUS AGREEMENT THAT I COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO PRESENT THIS PLAN. AND AND I'M HERE. AND SO THE CONSENSUS WAS THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. WHAT IS THE RUSH, OTHER THAN YOUR CONCERN WITH AN INCOMING NEW CITY MANAGER? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE STILL MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR IF IT'S OCTOBER 1ST. SO TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCOMING CITY MANAGER, I WOULD THINK THE CONCERN WOULD BE MORE. THE CITY COUNCIL WON'T SUPPORT THE MOVE TO MOVE BOB UNDER YOU. AND THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE DECISION IS THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP AND I'M GOING TO HIT THE POLITICAL SIDE. WE HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP THAT I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION THEY WILL GO. AND SO THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION BASED IN MAY ON THAT. [03:50:04] I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING BACK AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR FINAL APPROVAL BY THE BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE LAST MEETING IN APRIL. SO THAT THAT DECISION CAN BE MADE BY THIS CURRENT SITTING CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO. THIS IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO WE HAVE SOME TIME CONSTRAINTS. KIND OF LIKE ALL THOSE MEETINGS WE'VE BEEN HAVING. WE HAVE THESE TIME CONSTRAINTS AND DATE CONSTRAINTS. IT'S THE SAME KIND OF SELF-IMPOSED TIME CONSTRAINTS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AND IT MAY SOUND LIKE TANNER NOW, BUT I DON'T LIKE HAVING MY HAND PUT TO THE FIRE AND HAVE A DECISION LIKE NOW ON SOMETHING. I SEE THE BENEFIT AND I SEE HOW IT WOULD WORK. I RESPECT MR. TURNER AND HE SEEMS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT JUST WAITING AND LETTING THINGS JELL. THIS IS AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU AND MR. FARLEY AND MR. TURNER. I'M LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO THINK, WHAT THE RIGHT DECISION IS AT THIS POINT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO FRY CHICKEN NOW. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF URGENCY. IT HAS TO HAPPEN NOW. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. IF WE DID BRING SOMEBODY IN WHICH WE REALLY NEED TO DO, AND I BELIEVE THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO START RECRUITING SOMEBODY LIKE LIKE ISAAC SAID YESTERDAY TO GET HELP. HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW OUTSIDE OF A DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND A DIFFERENT CITY MANAGER? IN ITS CURRENT STRUCTURE OR IN A CHAIN STRUCTURE? WELL, IT. IS YOUR FEAR THAT IF WE WAIT UNTIL THE BUDGET'S DONE AND RESPECT MR. TURNER'S POSITION ON THIS. ARE YOU THAT AFRAID THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GO SO TOPSY TURVY YOU'LL NEVER GET THE DIRECTOR UNDERNEATH THE EDC? WELL, I THINK THAT AGAIN, AS I STATED, IF THE COUNCIL CAN ASSURE ME THAT, YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER TURNER WILL BE HERE BEGINNING OCTOBER ONE, I THINK IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SAY, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S JUST WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER ONE. HE COULD ALSO GET HIT BY A BUS TOMORROW. OH, YEAH, EXACTLY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I THINK I THINK THAT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT I BEGAN TO BEGIN TO START HAVING THE DISCUSSION BACK IN DECEMBER, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT HAVING PLACED ON THE MARCH AGENDAS. AND WE MISSED THAT DEADLINE. THAT I HAD SELF IMPOSED. I GET THAT. BUT WE MISSED THAT DEADLINE AND SO NOW WE'RE PUSHING IT EVEN FURTHER. I WAS HOPING FOR A MAY ONE START DATE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A START DATE EVENTUALLY. THERE'S GOT TO BE ONE. AND WHETHER WE SAY JUNE ONE, OCTOBER ONE, THERE'S GOT TO BE A START DATE. BUT AGAIN, THIS CITY MANAGER IS SAYING, LET'S WAIT FOR THE BUDGET. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I HAVE NOT I DON'T HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD REASON TO WAIT FOR THE BUDGET. I STILL HAVE NOT HEARD A GOOD REASON. AND SO AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THAT. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR CFO BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SHE HAS SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF I CAN. THE CHAIRMAN STATED THAT THEY PAY 100% ABOVE SALARY AND THAT IS INCORRECT. SO IT'S NOT A PASS THROUGH. THERE IS PART OF IT. THEY PAY A PORTION ABOVE SALARY. SO NOT ALL OF IT AT THE MOMENT. THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THIS. I MEAN, LET ME DO THIS. WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME THING. SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT. I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER THAT WE'RE OVERALL VERY IMPRESSED WITH. WE HAVE A CHAIRMAN. WE'RE OVERALL VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE FEAR THAT AND MIKE KNOWS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS AND I, I CHERISH MIKE TO THE FULLEST AND THAT WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS. THE FEAR THAT MIKE HAS, THAT ISAAC MAY LEAVE. WELL, I'VE GOT THE SAME FEAR THAT MIKE CAN'T GUARANTEE ME HE'LL BE HERE OCTOBER 1ST. SO WE MAKE ALL THESE MOVES, WE PUT BOB UNDER MIKE, HE QUITS, AND THEN WE GET A CHAIRMAN THAT MAYBE ISN'T AS GOOD. AND WHO DOES THIS PERSON ANSWER TO? AND SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT BOILS DOWN TO, I'VE GOT SOME NOTES. WHO HERE, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WHO WILL STAFF IF WE DO IT MIKE'S WAY? THE CHAIRMAN WHO WILL STAFF ANSWER TO TO MIKE, TO THE VICE CHAIR, TO THE TREASURER, TO THE SECRETARY, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE EQUAL. AND SO WE HAVEN'T WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR EDC. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO'S GOING TO. CAN I AS A MEMBER SAY, HEY, I WANT YOU TO GO DO THIS, BOB? AND THEN WHAT IF MIKE SAYS, WELL, NO, I REALLY WANT YOU TO DO THIS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO MASTERS NOW BOB HAS SEVEN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ON THE EDC ALL THE TIME AND I HOPE THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH ME. SO THAT'S A QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT THEN. RIGHT NOW I GET BLAMED FOR A WALMART AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NOT HAPPENING 20 YEARS AGO IN HUTTO. [03:55:01] AND SO WHO DO WE BLAME IF WE MAKE THIS MOVE? WHO DO WE BLAME FOR NOT HAVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? DO WE BLAME BOB? DO WE BLAME THE CHAIRMAN? DO WE BLAME THE ENTIRE EDC? BECAUSE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE MAKE THE MOVE AND IN SIX MONTHS DEVELOPMENT DRIES UP, DOES THAT MEAN THIS COUNCIL HAS TO COMPLETELY REPLACE THE WHOLE BOARD OR DO WE SAY IT'S IT'S A BOB ISSUE? AND SO AT LEAST WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE'RE ALL MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER REGULARLY AND WE CAN SHARE OUR CONCERNS WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND THE CITY MANAGER IS IN AN ADVISORY ROLE. SO THAT'S A QUESTION. I GET THIS DEAL ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER AND I HOPE THE WORLD REALIZES IF WE HIRE A CITY MANAGER AND THEY DON'T WORK OUT. LIKE I SAID TO THE CITY MANAGER, I HOPE WE NEVER MAKE THE DECISION OF WHERE WHEN YOU FIGURE IT OUT, IT DIDN'T WORK. IT'S A BAD MOVE. AFTER TWO MONTHS, YOU DON'T STAY AROUND FOR THREE YEARS, YOU JUST FIX IT. AND SO I THINK WE'VE ALL LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS AS A CITY. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT POLICIES AND THINGS IN PLACE TO WHERE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE. SNIFF OUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. THE BIGGER ISSUE IS ONE OF THE THINGS. SO TO ME, THIS IS AN OVERALL CONTROL ISSUE. RIGHT NOW THEY JUST EDC JUST DEALING WITH SALES TAX, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A TERS OVER $1,000,000,000 DEVELOPMENT AND USING A PORTION OF THAT FOR THE EDC TO GO OUT AND FUND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. SO AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE ABOUT TO POTENTIALLY GIVE UP SOME OF OUR AUTHORITY OF TEN, 20, 30, $50 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE WORK TO A WHOLE NOTHER BOARD. NOW, WE GIVE THE PARKS BOARD $1,000,000 TO DECIDE ON THINGS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE READY TO KNOW THAT IF WE MOVE ALL THIS AROUND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING SOME BIG TIME MOVES BEING MADE IN THE CITY, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST MOVE BECAUSE THERE'S BENEFITS TO THIS BEING DONE IN EDC BECAUSE THERE'S NOT WE DON'T HAVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LAST TWO POINTS ARE. I GUESS IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO I SAID PREVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HOLD ANYBODY ACCOUNTABLE IF THE IF THEY'RE EMPLOYED BY THE EDC BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SPENDING, LET'S SAY WE DON'T HAVE BOB, THE NEXT GUY BOB TO GOES ON A ROAD TRIP. WHO ARE WE HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS? ARE WE AGAIN? WE HOLD THE CHAIRMAN BECAUSE THE CHAIRMAN IS GOING TO SAY, HEY, I'M JUST ONE OF SIX PEOPLE. WELL, THEN WE'VE GOT TO MAYBE REPLACE A WHOLE BOARD DUE TO A SUPER BOWL VISIT OR SOMETHING. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS WE'RE WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION BASED ON A HYPOTHETICAL CHANGE IN A CITY MANAGER. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CITY MANAGER, HE OR SHE IS GOING TO FEEL LIKE IF THEY COME INTO A CITY AND NO, WE PUSH THROUGH A CHANGE RIGHT BEFORE WE HIRED THEM. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE DIDN'T EVEN TRUST OURSELVES TO HIRE THE PERSON. SO WE MADE A MOVE WHERE I'D RATHER HAVE THE PERSON COME IN. AND THEN IF BOB SAYS, HEY, YOU GUYS HIRED A BAD PERSON, MAYBE BOB WOULD BE THE GUY. WE GO, WELL, THIS IS THE WRONG CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT ISAAC DOES GREAT IS WHEN WE WHEN WE, THE THREE OF US SIT ON SOME MEETINGS. ISAAC DIDN'T EVEN COME INTO THE MEETING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE KNOWS WE'RE MEETING. AND SO WE'LL MEET. AND SO HE LITERALLY IS LETTING PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY DO. AND SO IF OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER HAS TO BE ON EVERY SINGLE MEETING, I THINK WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM AS A COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE KIND OF MICROMANAGING WHEN THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE PERSON THAT STRUGGLING. BUT I BRING THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE EARLY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY GOT TO WAIT ULTIMATELY FOR A CITY MANAGER AND GET THEIR VIEW. OTHERWISE, WE START OFF ALREADY ON THE WRONG FOOT. BUT I THINK I SHARED MOST OF THOSE AT THE ADC, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING NEW. BUT MAYOR, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, I COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU ONE ANSWER ON THREE OF THE QUESTIONS. WHO DO YOU BLAME AND WHO DO YOU HOLD ACCOUNTABLE? YOU HOLD THE BOARD ACCOUNTABLE. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I STATED. THE COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY. AND SO IF BOB IS GOING OFF AND GOING ON SUPERBOWL TRIP, THAT'S GOING TO COST THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION $10,000 AND THE COUNCIL FINDS OUT WHO THEY HOLD ACCOUNTABLE. THEY HOLD THE BOARD BECAUSE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THAT TRIP, WHICH MEANS THAT NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR BECAUSE WE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. SO WE HAVE TO THEN PULL SEVEN PEOPLE, FIND SEVEN NEW QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO PUT ON THE BOARD. IF IT WAS SO EGREGIOUS, WE COULDN'T LIVE WITH IT. IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE EXTENT OF IT, IF THAT'S HOW EGREGIOUS IT IS, THEN YES, I WOULD SAY YES, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONES BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THE CITY, BY THE CITIZENS, BY THE VOTING PUBLIC. I MEAN, THE COUNCIL HAS MEETING Y'ALL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUDGET ALLOCATIONS AND WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS. AND THE I MEAN, YOU HAVE SOMEONE ON YOUR EDC THAT IS I LOVE THIS ABOUT HER. SHE ISN'T A PENNY COUNTER AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED AND AND HAS TO BE ANSWERED FOR. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR NOMINATING TO THE CORPORATION. [04:00:03] IT'S THE WAY I SEE IT IN BOTH BOTH HANDS. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIRING THE CITY MANAGER. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR APPOINTING THE MEMBERS OF THE CORPORATION. IT'S A GREAT RESPONSE. NEITHER OF THOSE ENTITIES ARE FAILING IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF OVERSIGHT, OF MANAGEMENT, OF ANSWERING THEIR DUTIES AS OUTLINED IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. THE ONUS IS ON THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON THE DIAS AND REMOVE THEM OR OR SOMETHING ELSE. I SEE THAT IF IF THERE'S THERE'S NOT A ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HERE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE VERY MUCH SO MISSING HERE WHICH IS WE ARE WE'VE JUST ENGAGED AS GR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR CITY MANAGER SEARCH IF WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO MOVE BOB UNDER THE EDC, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT READY TO DO IT TODAY, WHY CAN'T WE ADD THAT AS A STIPULATION IN THE CONTRACT OF WHOMEVER WE HIRE AND WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM DURING THE HIRING PROCESS TO SAY THIS MOVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED ON IT, BUT WE WANTED TO WAIT TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HALL TEAM, HODO STAFF IS ALL ON BOARD AND EVERYTHING IS ACCOUNTED FOR. DI'S EYES ARE DOTTED, THESE ARE CROSSED AND WE HAVE THAT CODIFIED GOING FORWARD. THAT WAY IT REMOVES ANY SENSE OF QUANDARY OF WHO MIGHT BE THE CITY MANAGER IN OCTOBER. AND THEN IT ALSO DOESN'T PUT THE ONUS ON THE IMMEDIACY OF US PUTTING BOB OVER THERE. RIGHT NOW, YOU START, I UNDERSTAND, WHERE CITY MANAGER TURNER WAS COMING FROM WITH THE CONCERN THAT THE THE TEAM IS IS STARTING TO MELD TOGETHER RIGHT NOW IN CITY HALL AND FUNCTIONING VERY NICELY TOGETHER AND BEING ABLE TO ANTICIPATE EACH OTHER'S STEPS AND MOTIONS. AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT ARE ALL OF THE PIECES? AND IT CAN BE A LOT FOR US TO JUST TO MAKE THIS MOVE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT IS A BIT OF A CONTROL THING, BUT IF WE CAN ANTICIPATE IT AND CREATE SOME PARAMETERS AS WE GO FORWARD LEGALLY. CHRISTIAN, IS THAT SOMETHING IN THE SGR SEARCH THAT WE CAN SAY WE WANT TO MAKE THIS MOVE OF THIS POSITION OVER TO THE EDC? IS THAT SOMETHING I'M JUST HYPOTHETICALLY ASKING? IS THAT A THING WE CAN LEGALLY PUT IN WITH A CITY MANAGER TO PROHIBIT HIM FROM TERMINATING OR. NO, I MEAN, SAYING THAT I THINK IT'S STILL THE SAME AS MOVING BOB TODAY, PUTTING IT IN A CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT. IT'S IT'S MAKING A DECISION FOR THE CITY MANAGER. THERE'S ANY REASON TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE ALWAYS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO DO ANYTHING. AND SO WE CAN HIRE A GUY AND SAY THEY'RE STAYING WITH YOU. AND THEN WE COULD TURN AROUND TWO WEEKS LATER AND GO, I WOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND. AND I GUESS I MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING. MAYBE THAT JUST OPENS OUR MINDS TO THINKING OF OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE HESITATION FROM OUR CHAIRMAN IS COMING FROM OF HOW DO I ENSURE THIS GOING FORWARD? BUT ALSO ON THE CITY MANAGERS PART OF WE'RE WORKING REALLY GOOD AS A TEAM AND I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THAT RIGHT NOW AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING SAID. LET ME SUGGEST A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE ARE SOME REASONS OTHER THAN THE BUDGET THERE IS PUTTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. A TEAM BUILDING, AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OCCURRING, ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL COULD DO IS TO AND YOU CAN PUT THIS IN THE BROCHURE, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A LEGAL ISSUE, BUT IF I'M OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WAS DETERMINED ALREADY TO MOVE THE POSITION. YOU CERTAINLY COULD. INDICATE THAT IN THE BROCHURE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE REAL OVERT. IT COULD BE THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A PORTION IN THERE TALKS ABOUT WE HAVE A FOR B, AND YOU COULD SAY THAT IT'S THE COUNCIL'S INTENT TO HAVE THAT REPORT TO THE BOARD. ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO DO IN THIS, WHAT WE COULD DO IS WORK ON BRINGING YOU SOMETHING THAT HAS THE PROS AND CONS. AND IF IT WERE TO OCCUR IN TERMS OF A TRANSITION, HOW THAT MIGHT OCCUR, BECAUSE YOU COULD DO IT JUST IN A VOTE. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES IS THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THAT THAT HAS TO OCCUR IN TERMS OF IF IT WERE TO REPORT TO THE BOARD, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? HOW WOULD THE REPORTING STRUCTURE WORK? WHAT WOULD BE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY? HOW WITH THOSE ENTITIES WORK? WHAT WOULD CHANGE WITH THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CLEARLY DEFINED? CUSTOMER. GORDON KINSEY. I'M, I'M, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF ULTIMATELY HAVING BOB REPORT UNDER THE EDC. [04:05:04] I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT. THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT. I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE HAVE TO RUSH TO THAT AND GET IT DONE NOW, BUT I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF HAVING THAT EVENTUALLY HAPPEN. AND I'M MORE ABOUT LET'S BE PLANFUL ABOUT IT. LET'S YOU KNOW, I LIKED WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID. IF IT'S NOT BROKE RIGHT NOW, DON'T FIX IT. AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD STUFF KIND OF HAPPENING. AND I KNOW WHEN I'VE EXPERIENCED JOB CHANGES WITHIN MY OWN ORGANIZATION AND IT'S DISRUPTIVE WHEN YOU CHANGE TO A NEW MANAGER OR CHANGE TO A NEW DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER, IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DISRUPTIVE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I THINK THAT IT'S IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO DO IT. I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT WE NEED TO RUSH TO IT RIGHT NOW. KINSEY I JUST BEEN KIND OF I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY. I THINK THERE'S JUST. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST A LOT TO CONSIDER HERE. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS MADE ON ON ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. HOWEVER, I KIND OF. HONESTLY, I KIND OF. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. EDC, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE LASER FOCUS. WE TALK ABOUT IT PRETTY FREQUENTLY, HOW THERE'S SO MUCH ON CITY MANAGER'S PLATE STAFF'S PLAY, WHICH I KNOW THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY TAKE THINGS OFF OF STAFF'S PLATE, BUT THAT LASER FOCUS AND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. AND HUTTO IS IN SUCH A SWEET SPOT. WAITING ANOTHER SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS. I MEAN, THE LADY THAT PRESENTED EVEN KIND OF HINTED AT A COLLAPSE HAPPENING IN AUGUST AND KIND OF LAUGHED. SO I, I THINK THAT THERE IS ALSO MAYBE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL AND PLANFUL ABOUT IT. SO WAITING THREE MONTHS IS WHAT, QUITE THREE MONTHS, ALMOST THREE MONTHS AS CHAIRMAN IS PRESENTING FOR IT TO TAKE PLACE IN JUNE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY TOO FAST OF A TIMELINE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF WE WAIT SIX MONTHS, WHICH WOULD BE BUDGET CYCLE, THEN THAT MAY. THAT WE MAY HAVE ENDED UP PASSING UP ON A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES AND CHANGES IN WAYS THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THE EDC RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO HAVE THAT LASER FOCUS. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST A LOT, A LOT TO CONSIDER AND I RESPECT ALL ALL PARTIES AND POSITIONS HERE. TODAY. I DEFINITELY THINK WE HAVE 12.4 AND 12.5. SO I MEAN, 12.5, I THINK WE ALL HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN AGREEMENT OF SO. EITHER WAY, I THINK 12.5 NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW. AND I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN MUDDLED ON WHICH AGENDA ITEM AND WHAT TIMELINE ARE WE DOING, WHAT AT THIS POINT? OKAY. WELL, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION KIND OF BACK AND FORTH ON BOTH. SO, I MEAN, FOR ME AND JUST WITH WITH MR. FARLEY'S EXPERIENCE, I PERSONALLY AM GOING TO SIDE WITH WANTING TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER. MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, BEFORE YOU FINISH, I HAVE THREE LEGAL POINTS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP TO THE COUNCIL, IF I MAY. NUMBER ONE IS THAT ALL PROJECTS, SO THE $50 MILLION, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, ALL OF THOSE HAVE TO BE APPROVED ULTIMATELY BY THE CITY COUNCIL. EVERY PROJECT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO HOW THAT $50 BILLION IS SPENT EVERY TIME IT'S SPENT WILL BE ULTIMATELY A DECISION OF THE COUNCIL. NUMBER TWO, 501.73 A OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS THAT ALL EXPENDITURES OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. THAT'S DONE IN TWO WAYS. WE DO A PRESET BUDGET WITH THE ANTICIPATED COSTS SUCH AS SALARIES AND THOSE THINGS, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETS, WE ALLOCATE, SAY, 500,000 TO BUDGET TO PROJECTS, AND THEN THOSE PROJECTS HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO EVERY PENNY HAS TO BE ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS BECAUSE IT'S TAX DOLLARS. AND THEN THIRD IS THE STRUGGLE THAT YOU'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTROL LEGISLATIVE IT'S CALLED LEGISLATIVE RESTRAINT. YOU'RE TRYING TO DISGUISE OR DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN KEEP FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN MAKE THIS DECISION NOW AND IN MAY, ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO FLIP IT, AND IN JULY THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION TO FLIP IT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOUR DECISIONS DO NOT CONTROL THE DECISIONS OF THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, EVEN OF THE SAME COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND SO THAT'S BEEN YOUR STRUGGLE, IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A LEGISLATIVE RESTRAINT WHEN THE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. FOR ME, IT'S NOT LEGISLATIVE RESTRAINT. I JUST JERKED BOB AROUND BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH COMES FROM. SO I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT'S UP HERE THAT'S HAD EXPERIENCE WITH EDC BEING. [04:10:05] SEPARATE FOR THE BOARD. RIGHT. AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE COUNCIL CONTINUED TO MAKE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS. AND I THINK DURING THAT TIME WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AS MEMBERS OF THE EDC. THE TIMING IS JUST TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF A CITY MANAGER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR HISTORY IS GOING TO. HOW THAT'S GOING TO REFLECT ON WHO THE TYPE OF CANDIDATE THAT THAT COMES HERE. YOU KNOW, TO ME, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS. AND I GUESS I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I LEARNED THAT BOB'S BEEN DOING EVERYTHING AND NOT NOT THAT STAFF HASN'T BEEN DOING. SOME OF THE SOME OF THE WORK. BUT YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH. IT'S IT'S BEEN HIS SHOW. AND SO MY YOU KNOW, THEN I'M I'M SITTING HERE GOING, WELL, MAYBE WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE MONEY AND GET HIM SOME HELP NOW AND THEN WE. LET THINGS GO A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION. YOU KNOW, THE EDC BEFORE AND IT WAS JUST AN A, IT WASN'T AN A AND A B, THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THERE WAS THREE STAFF MEMBERS. AND SO NOW I'M THINKING, SO THEN WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR EVEN THIS FIRST EMPLOYEE? AND THEN WHEN THE NEXT EMPLOYEE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THAT HOW THAT WAS PAID FOR AND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE OFFICE. YOU KNOW, EDC WAS COMPLETELY IN ANOTHER ANOTHER AREA. SO THERE'S I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND. TEAM MANAGER TURNER'S DESIRE TO WAIT FOR BUDGET. BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP. BOB'S CIRCUMSTANCE OF THERE'S A LOT GOING ON OUT THERE AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GRAB A HOLD OF SOMETHING. BUT I'M I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HELP. AND WE KNOW WE KNOW THAT FINANCE AND PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS ARE ALL JUST THERE. IT'S UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS IN WORK. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M EVEN GIVING A RESOLUTION TO THIS, BUT IT IS. IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING IN MY MIND, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE GET HIM SOME HELP AND LET US KIND OF PROGRESS ALONG THE WAY, WE'VE BEEN FOR A BIT AND KIND OF SEE. IF IF THAT COULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE HARDSHIP AND THE HOWEVER LONG, THE HOURS THAT HE'S HAVING TO WORK, IF THAT WOULD HELP OUT. IT'S IT'S AN OPTION TO THROW OUT THERE. AND AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, BOB DOES NEED TO HELP. AND OF COURSE, THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ABOUT HIRING AN ATC MANAGER, WHICH WOULD BE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE SETUP OF FINDING AN HR COMMITTEE TO HIRE THAT PERSON AND THEN HAVE BOB SIT IN TO HELP US OUT AND ASK FOR HIS INPUT. IT'S GOING TO BE IN REVERSE OF HOW WE HIRE BOB BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS EMPLOYEE BELONGS TO THE CORPORATION. AND SO THAT IS THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OF IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION I THINK I HAD EARLIER ABOUT, WELL, WHY CAN'T BOB JUST SIMPLY HIRE THE PERSON? WELL, IF BOB DOESN'T MOVE, THEN BOB DOES NOT WORK FOR THE CORPORATION. HE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR DOING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BUT THE LEGALITIES OF IT IS THAT HE STILL WORKS FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, ANSWERING TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO WE WOULD SEEK HIS ADVICE. OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO, BECAUSE HE'S ONE THAT CAN BE WORKING WITH THIS PERSON, BUT THE CORPORATION HAS TO DO THE HIRING. IF BOB IS UNDER THE CORPORATION, THEN HE HAS NOW BEEN TASKED TO DO ALL OF THAT AND HE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE THAT PERSON, NOT US, BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE THAT PERSON AND HE WOULD HIRE THE PERSON THAT HE REALLY WANTS BECAUSE HE'S DOING THE INTERVIEWING. HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HE NEEDS TO. HE'S DOING ALL THAT. AND SO AND SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AND CONSIDER ALSO AN ORIENT. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY ADDITIONAL WORK FOR ME. I'M THE CHAIR AND I'M GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO STEP IN AND ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS [04:15:01] AND DO WORK WITH BOB. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE'S UNDER US AS AN ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, MAYOR, I MEAN, WHO DOES HE REPORT TO? IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY MANAGER HAS SEVEN BOSSES. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS GOING TO HAVE SEVEN BOSSES. IT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE. I MEAN, YOU HAVE IT NOW. SO IT'S NOTHING NEW THAT WE'RE CREATING. IT'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S IN PLACE, AND WE JUST SIMPLY FOLLOW THAT. WHEN THAT SLOWED HIM DOWN TO WHERE YOU MAY, HE MAY WANT TO DO SOMETHING. YOU GOT SEVEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS WHERE I LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT ANSWER CAN PROBABLY BE HAD BY YOUR CITY MANAGER BECAUSE HE GETS THE SAME QUESTION. HAVING SEVEN BOSSES IS NOT SLOW HIM DOWN. HE GETS THE SAME QUESTION. HE HAS ASSISTANTS, BUT WELL, HE GOT SEVEN BOXES, THOUGH HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SYSTEMS. DON'T ANSWER THE CITY MANAGER OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY MANAGER HANDS US TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A VISION UNTIL EXECUTED AND FOR YOUR BOARD TO HAVE A VISION AND THEN IT'S EXECUTED. AND I AGREE. AND AGAIN, THAT GOES WITH THE WHOLE TEAM MELD. I COMPLETELY AGREE 100%. I DON'T SEE BOB BEING UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. I MEAN, THE ECONOMIC DONOR CORPORATION FOR THAT TEAM FAILED NOT TO HAPPEN. IT HAS TO HAPPEN EITHER WAY, WHETHER HE'S UNDER THE CITY MANAGER OR UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THAT TEAM MELD HAS TO HAPPEN EITHER WAY. I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S NOT EVEN A IT'S NOT EVEN A TALKING POINT. IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION, BECAUSE THE WAY I SEE IT IS THAT BOB WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT NO MATTER WHAT AS FAR AS HOUSING, IF WE WOULD EXPECT HIM TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THE CITY HALL. AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WE WOULD AGAIN DO THAT, IF THAT'S THE PART OF THE CITY SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE SEND OUT, THAT WE HAVE A CITY SERVICE AGREEMENT NOW. SO WE CAN JUST EXTEND THAT OUT TO THAT. RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? 12 FOUR. DO WE NEED TO? YEAH. I MEAN, I WAS I WAS KIND OF ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE CITY MANAGER CHANGES. I ACTUALLY IN 2017, THE CITY MANAGER HAD RECENTLY CHANGED. THE CITY COUNCIL HAD LARGELY CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR, A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE THAT. AND THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE DIRECTION EDC WAS GOING IN. WITH THE EXTERNAL RUNNING AS AN EXTERNAL BODY, THEY WIPED THE EDC BOARD, THEY BROUGHT IN A NEW BOARD. I WAS ONE OF THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS WITH THE DIRECTION OF WE'RE GETTING RID OF ALL THE STAFF AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT IN-HOUSE. I AGREE. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. WE DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT TO BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH. WE WANT TO PICK A DIRECTION AND GO. THERE WERE ISSUES. THERE WERE ISSUES FOR SURE. I THINK THEY WERE SPENDING I MEAN, THEY HAD A LOT OF STAFF MEMBERS. WE HAD A LOT LESS SALES TAX THEN. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO PAY FOR STAFF AND RENTING AN OFFICE BUILDING. OH YEAH, YOU'RE RENTING OFFICE SPACE. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAVEL GOING ON AND ICC PERFECTLY LEGIT. THERE WERE TRIPS TO ALASKA AND NEW YORK AND STUFF THAT IT'S HARDER TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BRING BACK TO HUTTO ON SOME OF THOSE TRIPS. AND SO I DON'T. KNOW EXACTLY HOW JUSTIFIED ALL THAT WAS, BUT THE PICTURE THAT WAS PORTRAYED WAS THESE GUYS ARE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING. I AGREE. AND SO IT COMES DOWN TO COUNCIL AND EDC NEEDING TO BE IN LOCKSTEP, NEEDING TO BE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION SO THAT YOU DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE EITHER REAL OR PERCEIVED DISAGREEMENTS THAT COME UP. I AGREE. ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED THAT YOU PRESENTED WAS SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO TO PREVENT THAT, OF HAVING MORE COMMUNICATION, OF HAVING MORE PARTICIPATION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO SEE US WALK DOWN THAT PATH FURTHER AND AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT WORKS THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GOING DOWN THIS PATH. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY TO JUMP. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. AND I AGREE BECAUSE I THINK THAT A PART OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT THE COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE WAS BY PLACING A COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. TO ME, THAT WAS A GREAT MOVE. IT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. AND I AGREE. MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER STEP FORWARD BY PLACING ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, EX-OFFICIO MEMBER, TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT ALSO WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT WHOLE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE GOVERNING BODIES MELDING TOGETHER FROM A CITY STANDPOINT AS A WHOLE. SO, YOU KNOW, I AGREE IS THAT IT'S THE MATTER OF HAVING THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE. IT'S WHAT WILL KEEP THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR HONEST AND WHAT WILL KEEP THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD HONEST. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I GOT A RAISE WHEN I WENT FROM BOARD MEMBER TO THE CHAIRMAN. SO THEY PAID ME THREE TIMES WHAT THEY WERE PAYING ME BEFORE. SO, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES ZERO IS STILL ZERO. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I VALUE THAT. I WONDER, ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MAKE SOME OF THAT MORE DURABLE SO THAT [04:20:02] WHEN PEOPLE CHANGE, THOSE POLICIES DON'T CHANGE, THEY'RE THERE? I MEAN, ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN ADD TO THE BYLAWS BECAUSE THE BYLAWS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY BOTH YOUR BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL. CORRECT. AND THEN IT'S MUCH HARDER TO CHANGE THAT IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN FLESH THAT OUT IN THIS PERIOD AND TRY AND GET THAT SETTLED. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE ALL THAT READY TO GO, THEN WE CAN THEN WE CAN PROCEED. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO PROCEED THAT QUICKLY RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED ON 12 FIVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. AND I AGREE BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO INSTITUTE IS THE ABILITY FOR US TO GO BACK AND ALWAYS REVIEW THE BYLAWS. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS ELECTION CAN CHANGE THE PERSONALITY OF A BYLAW BASED ON WHO GETS INTO OFFICE. SO IT COULD BE LAXED, IT COULD BE STRENGTHENED. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IF YOU WANT TO SPEND A DOLLAR, YOU COME FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SAY, HEY, JUST, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT YOUR BUDGET, WILL APPROVE IT. WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SUBJECT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS THE PERSONALITY OF THAT BYLAW. RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE BYLAWS THAT WE HAVE ARE GOOD. CAN THEY BE STRENGTHENED? I'M SURE THEY CAN. AND THAT MAY BE A REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY, OKAY, WHERE CAN WE STRENGTHEN THIS UP? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID INSTITUTE FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD WAS A TRAVEL POLICY, AND WE PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWED THE CITY POLICY. AND SO WE KNOW NOW THAT IF THERE'S ANY TRAVEL GOING TO BE DONE, IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD. THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT. THEY HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING IT ON. AND SO WE HAVE MIMICKED THE POLICY THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE. IT WAS A GOOD POLICY. AND SO, YEAH, WE NEED TO ALWAYS BE REVIEWING OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FROM THE EDC BOARD LEVEL. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE'S GOING TO BE YOU TALK ABOUT THE TURNOVER AND CHANGE THE COUNCIL, FIVE OF US WILL STILL BE UP HERE. CORRECT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK I DON'T THINK THE THE CULTURE OF THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY TO NOT SUPPORT THIS CHANGE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AND WHILE I AGREE, BUT IF I HAVE A43 VOTE NOW, A22 VOTE SWITCH COULD CHANGE IT TO THREE FOUR. I JUST I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHAT WE RUN UP AGAINST ON ELECTION TIME. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS I NEEDED TO TELL YOU AND THAT I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, BOTH MIKE AND I AGREE, WHICHEVER WAY YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE IT WORKS. I AGREE. NUMBER TWO. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE VISIONING, THE VISION, THE GOALS OF THE COUNCIL, THE VISION, THE GOALS OF THE EDC, YOU REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE SHIP AND IT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO LAST BEYOND THE CURRENT PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING SITTING HERE. AND IF YOU DO THOSE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM THE SAME WAY YOU ALL DID AND YOU YOU'RE OPEN ABOUT IT, YOU DISCUSS ABOUT IT, YOU ALL SHARE WHAT YOUR VALUES ARE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND THAT'S THE THING THAT THAT WILL LAST. THAT'S THE THING THAT WILL GUIDE THE SHIP. AND UNTIL IT GETS TO ITS DESTINATION. YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE SOMEONE'S ATTITUDE OR SOMEONE'S BEHAVIOR. EXCUSE ME. SOMEONE'S THE CORE OF WHAT'S IN THEIR SOUL. YOU CAN TRY TO INFLUENCE THEIR BEHAVIOR WITH LEGISLATION, BUT IT'S REALLY THE GOALS AND THINGS THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT HUDL STANDS FOR. THOSE WILL MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT THE EDC STANDS FOR AND THOSE HAVE TO BE CORRELATED AND THEY HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. AND THAT'S REALLY THE STRONG SUIT. WHAT'S SAID? ALL RIGHT. BUT, SIR, ACTION. AND WE WANT TO. SO WE'RE JUST DOING THIS ON 12 FOUR OR IT'S JUST 12 FOR. SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE POSITION OVER TO THE EDC. THEY CAN MAKE THAT. OTHERWISE WE CAN TAKE NO ACTION AND MOVE ON TO 12 FIVE. SO, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TABLE ITEM 12.4. AND THE OBJECTIONS TO THAT FROM COUNCIL. RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO 12 FIVE DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE CREATION OF EDC [12.5. Discuss and consider action on the creation of EDC Manager position (Mike Arismendez)] MANAGER POSITION. I TOLD MIKE BEFORE ABOUT THE CHAIRMAN ACTUALLY SURPRISED SOMETHING GOT LOST WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE SAID WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS POSITION UNTIL THEY CAME UP WITH A JOB DESCRIPTION. AND THEN. HERE IT IS, APRIL. RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU EVEN NEED A PERSON. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU NEED AUTHORIZATION TO DO A JOB DESCRIPTION, BECAUSE I THINK ONCE THERE'S A JOB DESCRIPTION, I THINK WE'VE WE DIDN'T SAY VOTE ON IT TO ADD IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IF I HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT, IT WAS. AND AGAIN, MARY COUNCIL MIKE HUSBAND IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD CHAIR. I THINK THE REASON WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP IS BECAUSE THAT POSITION WAS ZERO FUNDED. SO THERE IS NO SALARY IN THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HIRE A EDC MARKETING SPECIALIST. THE POSITION WE HAD BEFORE WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTION AS TO WHAT [04:25:01] WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS ON BOARD WITH FUNDING IT ACCORDINGLY, SO THAT WHEN WE BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU, WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE EDC BOARD APPROVED, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE FUNDED AT. IT'S A SALARY. WE CAN FIGURE ALL THE BENEFITS FROM THAT AND THEN FROM THERE WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU A FULL JOB DESCRIPTION, SALARY RANGE, WHAT THE BENEFITS WOULD BE AND WHAT IT WOULD COST THE EDC BOARD. CURRENTLY THAT BUDGET IS AT ZERO AND IT WAS ZEROED OUT IN THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT WE WOULD ZERO IT OUT SO THAT WE COULD GET THE BUDGET THROUGH TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, BUT THAT WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE. I WAS ANTICIPATING SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING NOW AT IT PROBABLY NINE MONTHS. BUT WE KNEW INITIALLY WE WERE GOING TO NEED SOME HELP FOR BOB. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SPECIALIST TO BE IN A SUPPORT ROLE OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR KIND OF A MORE JUNIOR PROFESSIONAL TO GROW INTO SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT THE POTENTIAL TO BE A REPLACEMENT DOWN THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR THAT JUNIOR PROFESSIONAL THAT CAN MOVE INTO THAT. I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONVERSATION THAT AMANDA AND I HAD WAS THAT HE'S LIKE, MIKE, I THINK YOU NEED ONE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU MAY NEED TO. AND AND I DON'T I DON'T I MEAN, I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. I THINK WE ARE TO THAT POINT. AND THAT THIRD ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE A SPECIALIST. BUT AGAIN, WHICH MAY SOUND COUNTERINTUITIVE, WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STEPPING INTO IT AND KNOW WE HAVE THE FUNDING. I KNOW THAT OUR SALES TAX IS WAY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE WERE PROJECTING FOR THE YEAR. SO WE'RE WAY OVER THAT. SO WE HAVE THE SALES TAX MONEY COMING IN. I KNOW WE CAN FUND THAT MARKETING POSITION. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO FUND THE SPECIALIST POSITION, WHICH WILL BE MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE POSITION? YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY I WANT TO BE ABLE TO STAND HERE TODAY, SAY, YES, WE DO. BUT HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW WE CAN FUND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND FUND A MARKETING POSITION, BUT ADDING THAT THIRD ONE IS STILL YET TO BE SEEN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SALES TAXES ARE STABILIZED AND THEY'RE NOT SIMPLY A SPIKE UP THAT'S GOING TO TURN ON AND HAVE A DIP DOWN. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OF THAT. YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR EDC BOARD CHAIR, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH HIM. AND AND ULTIMATELY I THINK A LOT OF THE INPUT ON WHAT IS NEEDED WOULD BE WITH THE DIRECTOR AND I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT TO HAVE A ROLE AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT. AND IT'S WHERE DO YOU START AT? AGAIN, THE SUCCESSION ISSUE IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS. SO THAT IF. IF THERE'S AN EXTENDED ILLNESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY TO STEP RIGHT INTO THE ROLE. LET US GET INTO THE WEEDS THERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MAYBE EVEN TALK ABOUT STAFFING FOR TWO OR THREE YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING. WE CAN WORK ON THAT, BUT WITH BOB AND THAT SORT OF THING AND NOT DECIDE THAT HERE, THE DRAFT THAT YOU SEE WAS A DRAFT THAT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF. BUT IT IT SAYS DRAFT ON THEIR REAL BIG I THINK IT READ LETTERS AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO IT AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A MULTIPLE SET OF SKILLS THAT CAN OPERATE AT THIS LEVEL, BUT CAN IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP OR MOPPED UP, OR THEY'LL DO THAT TOO. SO LET ME CHAT IF WE COULD CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE BACK AND CHAT ABOUT IT. I'M ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT. IT NEED TO HAVE HAPPENED YESTERDAY. YEAH. AND LET US JUST WORK ON IT TOGETHER AND BUT MAINLY WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CHAT WITH BOB TOO, AND SOME OTHER STAFF MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM STAFF. TWO PEOPLE ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE THE WORLD'S PROBLEM FOR THEM, BUT IT IS GOING TO GIVE MORE BANDWIDTH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE CRITICAL THINGS. AND THEY STILL NEED STAFF SUPPORT, A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM OTHER STAFF PEOPLE. SO CAN WE SET CAN WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT NOW TO SET A TARGET DATE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN TAKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON TO ENABLE THIS POSITION. BUT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT YOU GIVE YOUR APPROVAL TO FOR US TO START DEVELOPING THE POSITION, WE'LL HAVE TO COME TO YOU WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, OBVIOUSLY. BUT AS MR. EDMONDS SAYS, WE'LL HAVE TO COME TO YOU WITH SPECIFICS FOR THE JOB. JUST TELL US TO GO. YES, LET'S GO GET IT DONE. AND WE CAN WE CAN WORK ON THAT. BECAUSE FROM YOUR QUESTION, SIR. YES, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT YOU GO, YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL IT'LL BE ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE CAN GET MOVING ON THIS. NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY THERE ARE SOME THINGS HAPPENING NOW AND WE'LL WE'LL START MOVING ON IT. WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AT A TIME WHEN WE HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND MORE DETAILS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN MORE WORK WON'T BE HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES. THAT'S GOT TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. [04:30:01] SO YOU DON'T REALLY NEED ACTION FROM US TONIGHT. I WOULD APPRECIATE AND I THINK HE WOULD ALSO FOR YOU TO SAY, YES, WE WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. OKAY. SO I GUESS THAT WAS MY ONLY CONFUSION IS I DON'T I WOULD THINK WE JUST WOULD DO IT AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD BRING UP AND GO, HEY, WE ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A POSITION. HERE'S A DESCRIPTION BECAUSE. BUT IF YOU WANT ACTION TO SAY, GO MAKE A DESCRIPTION SO WE CAN COME BACK AND PROVE IT LATER. I THINK THAT'S EASY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S IN DISAGREEMENT, BUT I WOULD NEVER WAIT ON ACTION TO COME UP WITH THE JOB DESCRIPTION. I JUST GO AHEAD AND START GETTING THAT GOING AND THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP AND WE COULD START THE HIRING PROCESS, YOU KNOW. AND WE DO WE DO HAVE THE DRAFT THAT YOU RECEIVED. I GUESS THERE'S STILL SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IS IF WE'RE MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION, IS THIS PERSON GOING TO BE UNDER THE EDC CORPORATION OR GOING TO BE ANSWERING TO BOB UNDER THE CITY? AND IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN WE HAVE TO, OF COURSE, BRING THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TO YOU TO DO THAT. BUT IF THIS PERSON IS GOING TO BE UNDER THE EDC CORPORATION, WE HAVE TO GATHER OURSELVES TO BE ABLE TO START THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AGAIN, WORKING WITH BOB TO FOR THAT, BECAUSE THIS PERSON WILL BE AN EDC EMPLOYEE. SO LIKE I TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. SINCE JUST A QUESTION. MY WISH IF IF EVERYBODY VOTED THAT WAY WAS THEY WOULD BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. THEY'D WORK UNDER BOB. BOB WOULD BE ON A COMMITTEE. A HIRING COMMITTEE WITH. THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR AND WHOEVER THE TREASURY SECRETARY IN A PROCESS, JUST LIKE YOU WERE PICKING A CITY MANAGER OR YOU'RE PICKING A POLICE CHIEF, AND THEY WOULD PICK IT. AND I'M NOT KNOCKING BOB. BOB KNOWS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BOB KNOWS HIRING. AND SO IF BOB'S GREAT AT HIRING AND GREAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY UNUSUAL. THEREBY WOULD BE GREAT EVERYTHING. SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE IRENE DO HER THING BECAUSE THAT'S HER SPECIALTY. SHE'S GOT BOB THERE. SHE'S GOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THE BOARD ALL WORKING TOGETHER. THEY PICK SOMEBODY THEY WORK ON THERE. BOB, BOB ANSWERS TO THE CITY MANAGER. AND WE WE WERE MAD BECAUSE THE STONE HILL SHOPPING CENTER DIDN'T COME TO HUTTO. THEN WE CAN HOLD THE CITY MANAGER ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WIPE THE WHOLE BOARD JUST BECAUSE WE LOST A DEAL. I'D RATHER I'D RATHER KNOCK THE CITY MANAGER AND BEAT HIM UP IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR SOMETHING. WELL, AND AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, IRENE WOULD ALWAYS BE IN THE HIRING PROCESS BECAUSE THE CORPORATION DOES NOT HAVE AN HR DEPARTMENT, JUST LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINEERING. WE HAVE TO CONTRACT THAT OUT OR END TO A CITY SERVICE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, IRENE WOULD ALWAYS BE INVOLVED IN THAT. SO WHY COULD WE NOT THEY WORK ON THIS JOB DESCRIPTION AND EVERYTHING. AND THIS PERSON IS HIRED AND IT'S IT'S A CITY EMPLOYEE. AND IF AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT WE DECIDE, THEN WE MOVE TOGETHER. THEY BOTH GO RIGHT OVER TO EDC. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF IS THAT I HAVEN'T HAD. I DON'T THINK MR. MENDES OR THE BOARD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THE STRUCTURE ON HOW WE HIRED THE POLICE CHIEF. IT'S SOMETHING I'VE FOUND OVER THE YEARS AS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO DO IT AND INVOLVE A LOT OF PEOPLE. IF YOU ALL JUST SAY THIS POSITION IS OKAY, LET US TALK ABOUT IT, LET US WORK ON IT. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF MR. MENDEZ OR THE BOARD HAS SOME DISAGREEMENT WITH. WHATEVER I COME UP WITH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WE COME UP WITH AND WE ARE 90% OF IT. WE JUST GOT THIS 1%. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. BUT LET US TALK ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT I THINK MIGHT ALLEVIATE A NUMBER OF HIS CONCERNS ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY HIRES THE PERSON AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO LET US CHAT ABOUT IT, PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. NOW, I DON'T MIND THE CONVERSATION. THE ONLY THING THAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THE STAFF UNDER THE EDC WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD THE AUTONOMY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO SETTLE FOR WHAT I CAN GET, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE AUTONOMOUS. YOU WILL HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO OPERATE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE OPERATING NOW AS LONG AS I'M HERE. AND WHILE I MIGHT GET FIRED TOMORROW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER'S JOB WAS GOOD FOR 72 HOURS. YEAH, WELL, I'M SURE THAT GIVE ME A FEW MORE DAYS, BUT WE'VE GOT A WEEKEND COMING UP, SO WE'RE NOT MEETING OR DON'T BE. WELL. LET'S TALK AND THEN LET'S LET LET'S TALK AND LET'S COME BACK. AND I THINK I CAN ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS FOR AT LEAST THE IMMEDIATE AND I'M ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION. I'M ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT, IF YOU JUST TELL US TO GO AHEAD AND I LIKE SOMETHING FORMAL SO THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT YOUR FORMAL INVITATION FOR LET US CHAT. AND I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS BOB SERVES THE BOARD. I SERVED THE BOARD. I SERVED MR. MENDEZ. SO LET'S LET US TALK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THERE. [04:35:02] AND SO THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. IF WE'RE WE'RE WAY IN THE WEEDS, IF THIS IS ONLY A BUDGET AMENDMENT ANTICIPATION REQUEST, BECAUSE IF IT'S A BUDGET AMENDMENT, ANTICIPATION REQUESTS THAT BOARD THAT THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND ALL THOSE THINGS OR THINGS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO DECIDE. IF IF YOU'RE IF IT'S GOING TO BE A CITY EMPLOYEE, THEN IT'S THIS IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE POINTS I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT FROM THE PROCEDURE THAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW AS TO AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO FILL THIS POSITION. AND SO IF IT'S A CITY EMPLOYEE, IT GOES THIS WAY. NOW, PRACTICALLY THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY WORK THE SAME WAY, BUT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE BOARD'S POWER. YOURS IS EITHER GOING TO BE MUCH MORE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION OF A CREATION OF A POSITION OR OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS GOING TO DO THAT, AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO APPROVE THE BUDGET. SO I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU MUCH, BUT HERE'S WHERE I DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY, WHOEVER COMES UP TO THE JOB DESCRIPTION, BECAUSE IF THE EDC COMES UP, THE JOB DESCRIPTION COMES UP TO US WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND WE SAY, NO, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. BASED ON THAT JOB DESCRIPTION, WE WANT THE JOB DESCRIPTION TO BE X, Y, Z, AND WE'LL PAY THAT THEN. THAT'S ALWAYS GETTING TO THE STREAMLINE. TO ME, IT'S SOMETIMES YOU JUST ASK THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE DECISION, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND THEN. THE BOARD WOULD COME BACK, MAKE THE JOB DESCRIPTION WITH PAY THAT THEY COME BACK AND SAY, YOU WANTED THIS. THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS, AND THEN WE APPROVE IT. SO EITHER WAY, IN MY MIND, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SAY IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND THE PAY. IT'S JUST REALLY HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ANSWER TO AND LET'S BE HONEST, WHO'S GETTING FIRED WHEN WE DON'T GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DONE OR WHO'S GETTING YANKED OFF THE BOARD? AND I KNOW IT'S EASY TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO WIPE A BOARD, BUT GOOD GOD, EVERY TIME YOU PULL SOMEBODY OFF OF A BOARD, THEY'RE FRIENDS WITH SOMEBODY. FACEBOOK GOES IN UPROAR, AND IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO MAKE A CHANGE WITH THE CITY MANAGER DOING IT BECAUSE CITY MANAGERS DON'T CARE ABOUT FACEBOOK, WHEREAS SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS, ALL WE CARE ABOUT IS FACEBOOK AND WHO'S GETTING THE HITS AND THE LIKES. AND SO EVERY TIME IF I GO TO PUT YOU RIGHT NOW AND YANK YOU OFF TONIGHT AND MAKE A MOTION, FACEBOOK LIGHTS UP. RIGHT? BUT IF BOB GETS FIRED TOMORROW BY ISAAC, FACEBOOK KEEPS ON MOVING ON AND THEY DON'T TURN ON EXTRA SERVERS. YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY FAIR THAT THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT I SEE IT IN. BUT YEAH, I DON'T 100% AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT BEING A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, WHEN THE PUBLIC WAS UP IN UPROAR ABOUT A DECISION THAT I MADE, I SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE. AND WHY? AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR THE VOTES. RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU GOT AN UPROAR OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A DECISION THE CITY MANAGER MADE, THEN THE CITY MANAGER DOES SUFFER FROM THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ABOUT POSITION OR DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE A POSITION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER AND THE EDC CHAIR TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A JOB DESCRIPTION AND ANY RELATED BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND BRING THAT BACK TO US AT THE SOONEST POSSIBLE. CAN YOU GUYS DO THAT IN TWO WEEKS? I WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT WE'LL DO IT AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. MAY I GUARANTEE YOU, IF I'M NOT REACTIVE ENOUGH, YOUR CHAIR WILL TELL YOU THAT'S HOW THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. BYE BYE. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER HOLLAND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT, HARRY NUNN, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER, HOLLAND MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. MAYOR SCHNEIDER, I WAS A MEMBER OF VILLARREAL SALVO I. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. PASS THE SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THANKS, MIKE. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE BACK ONLINE. YOU DO HAVE WI FI. WE HAVE BEEN LIVE STREAMING FOR THE PAST HOUR. IF THERE'S NO. HI, EVERYBODY. NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE LEFT. ANGIE IS GOING TO BE HERE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. BUT WAIT, IS NOT. IS IT OKAY IF WE GO TO ITEM 12 THREE? THAT WAY TO GO. YEAH. WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR 12 ONE. SO IF YOU WANT TO FILE ONE, WE DON'T. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO OBJECTION GOING TO 12 THREE. [12.3. Update on the Hutto Arterial (CR132 Overpass) project. (Wade Benton)] ALL RIGHT. 12 THREE. UPDATE ON THE HUTTO ARTERIAL C.R. 132 OVERPASS PROJECT. SO WAIT. YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR HOURS? 5 HOURS, SIR. SO I HOPE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE US, LIKE, A TWO MINUTE THING AND THEN GO HOME. [04:40:01] WE CAN. WE CAN KEEP IT SHORT AND BRIEF. I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE. I JUST WANTED TO REQUEST TO BRING AN UPDATE TO YOU ON THE COUNTY ROAD 132 PROJECT. IT'S YOU'VE HEARD IT AS PROJECT CALLED VARIOUS NAMES, BUT HUTTO ARTERIALS ONE OF THEM THE COUNTY ROAD 132 OVERPASS IS ANOTHER. THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT ORIGINALLY WAS ENVISIONED BY THE COUNTY AS PART OF THEIR PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH TEXAS TO BASICALLY PROVIDE A FUTURE ALTERNATIVE 1660 ROUTE ON THE EAST SIDE OF HUTTO. BACK IN 2018 OR SO, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY HAD SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS ON KIND OF PARTNERING ON THE PROJECT, AND THE CITY HAD COMMITTED TO DEVELOP AND CONSTRUCT THE MIDDLE SEGMENT. AND THE COUNTY WOULD WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SEGMENTS. SO THE MIDDLE SEGMENT RUNS FROM JUST NORTH OF 79 AT LIMMER, GOING SOUTH ACROSS 79 TO 132 AND 199, WHERE THOSE KIND OF INTERACT RIGHT THERE. SO BACK IN 2019, I BELIEVE IT WAS A DESIGN CONSULTANT WAS SELECTED, THAT DESIGN PROCEEDED AND ORIGINALLY THE, THE ALIGNMENT WAS ALONG THE EXISTING COUNTY ROAD 132 CORRIDOR. AS THAT DESIGN GOT UNDERWAY WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GOING ON NORTH OF 79 THERE. THAT ALIGNMENT SHIFTED A COUPLE OF TIMES. A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT. ONE, THERE'S AN EXISTING UP CELL PHONE TOWER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT INTERSECTION OF 79 AND 132. THAT IS WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE. AND SO THE ROADWAY WAS ADJUSTED TO AVOID THAT INTERACTION SINCE THAT TIME. AND THE OTHER FACTOR GOING INTO THIS WAS THE PERFECT GAME DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES GOING ON THERE AND SOME OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE LINES. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT UP. SO THE THE GRAPHIC AND THIS IS AN OLD GRAPHIC, BUT IT JUST SHOWS THE THREE SEGMENTS OF THE KIND OF OVERALL AND VISION PROJECT OF 132, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE LONG TERM INTENT IS THAT THIS WOULD BE THE KIND OF THE NEW ROUTE OF 1660 AND THE EXISTING FM 1660 WOULD BE TAKEN OFF SYSTEM AND BASICALLY BECOME CITY ROADWAY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. SO THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT AS SHOWN ON HERE WAS BASICALLY ALONG THE EXISTING ROADWAY. IT DID SHIFT OVER BECAUSE OF THE THE UP TOWER THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE. AND SO THE TOP GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE THERE WAS THE SLIGHT SHIFT TO THE EAST. I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT THE DESIGN TEAM HAD WAS THAT CREATED SOME BASICALLY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND SOME SOME AREAS THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE. AND SO THAT THE LATEST CONCEPT IS ABOUT 1000 FEET EAST OF KENNEDY ROAD. 132. AND SO THE PROJECT WAS PUT ON HOLD BACK IN EARLY 2020. WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SEGMENTS, THE IS CONTINUING TO PROGRESS THEIR DESIGN. CITY STAFF HAS BEEN COOPERATING AND COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF AS DEVELOPMENTS COME IN, MAKING SURE THAT ALIGNMENT IS IS UNDERSTOOD AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IS BEING DEDICATED FOR THAT FOR THAT ROUTE. AND SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE CONTINUING TO GO ON. THE COUNTY IS BASICALLY IN THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SEGMENTS THERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THE NORTH END. THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT WITH SOME DEVELOPERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER PROCESS RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK ONCE THOSE GET RESOLVED, THAT ALIGNMENT WILL START TO GEL AND HARDEN DOWN THROUGH THERE. SO WHAT I'M BRINGING TO YOU, THIS IS BACKGROUND, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO NEEDS TO GET STARTED AGAIN. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR HUTTO, IN MY OPINION, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE, MOBILITY, OBVIOUSLY, FOR THE AREA, BUT IT'S IT'S RIGHT IN THE CORE OF KIND OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY THAT'S THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW AND IS BEING CONTEMPLATED. [04:45:01] AND SO I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT THAT SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO MY ASK IS THAT THAT YOU GIVE STAFF THE GREEN LIGHT TO TO STEP BACK, TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING PROJECT, THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT, MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHETHER IT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT IS OR IF THERE'S REASONS FOR THAT ALIGNMENT TO MOVE AND COME BACK WITH YOU WITH A CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ON WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO TAKE TO MOVE FORWARD, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THE TIME FRAME WITH THAT, AND THEN HAVE A GAME PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD AND OBVIOUSLY THE FUNDING ASPECT. AND SO WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THE NORTH AND SOUTH SEGMENTS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AS AS DEVELOPMENTS COME IN THE COUNTY CURRENTLY. AND TALKING TO THEIR STAFF AND SOME OF THEIR FOLKS DOES NOT HAVE THE THE FUNDING IN PLACE TO BUILD THAT THOSE SEGMENTS AT THIS MOMENT THEY DO HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN SO THEY'RE CONTINUING FORWARD WITH THAT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION IS BASICALLY BEING REQUESTED AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN TO DEVELOP OR TO DONATE THAT RIGHT AWAY AS THEY COME IN. SO OUR ASK IS TO MOVE FORWARD AND COME BACK WITH YOU, TO YOU WITH A WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. SO I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, COUNCIL. WAIT, WAIT. I TALKED THIS AFTERNOON. I WOULD JUST SAY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S SOME FUNDING TO TEXT DOT. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW TO EXPLAIN IT EASILY, BUT THERE'S MONEY THAT TEXAS WILL GIVE BASED ON HOW MANY MILES AND HOW MANY TRIPS ARE USED ON THE ROAD ONCE IT'S BUILT TO REIMBURSE. AND SO WHATEVER WE GOT TO DO TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY WITH THE COUNTY. AND SO IT MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR TEXAS TO DO A DEAL WITH US, BUT IF WE CAN SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT FUNDING, AT LEAST FOR THE FUTURE, TO GET REIMBURSED, THAT'D BE GREAT. OTHERWISE I DON'T REALLY DOESN'T HAVE AN AX. WE CAN'T REALLY ACT ON IT. I GUESS ALL WE DO IS OBJECT. THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO PROCEED WITH A MUCH NEEDED BRIDGE. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE NEED I MEAN, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO THIS. I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE NON WATER WASTEWATER PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE CITY FOR THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT DONE. MM HMM. LET'S GO. RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY WE DIDN'T KEEP YOU HERE ANOTHER 20 OR 30 MINUTES ON THAT. SORRY. WELL, THIS IS IMPORTANT, SO THANK YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT, WADE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS ITEM 12 TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING DEVELOPMENT [12.2. Discussion and possible action regarding Development Services Credit Card Fees (Angie Rios)] SERVICES, CREDIT CARD FEES. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. IT'S A NEW DAY. LET HER BRING UP MY SLIDES REALLY QUICK. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CREDIT CARD FEES AT MY LAST FINANCIAL PRESENTATION AND REQUESTED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO I'M BRINGING THIS KIND OF BACK TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. SO YOU CAN SEE FOR THE CURRENT YEAR THIS WE WEREN'T COLLECTING BY THE TIME WE GOT EVERYTHING IMPLEMENTED AND SET UP AND NOTIFIED CUSTOMERS AND ALL THAT. WE REALLY DID NOT START CHARGING THE CREDIT CARD FEES IN OCTOBER BECAUSE IT DID TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO SET UP. SO FOR THE MONTHS OF NOVEMBER THROUGH FEBRUARY, THESE WERE THE WHAT WE WERE CHARGED BY THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY AND THEN WHAT THE TRANSACTIONS WERE AND WHAT WE WERE CHARGED. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE KIND OF EFFECTIVE RATE WAS EACH MONTH, THAT ONE MONTH THERE WHERE WE DID 1,000,005 AND THIS IS JUST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO MILLION FIVE OF PERMITS THROUGH CREDIT CARD BASED ON THE TYPES OF CREDIT CARDS THEY USE, THE AMOUNT OF THE TRANSACTIONS THERE'S IT'S A VERY CONVOLUTED PROCESS. WHEN THEY CHARGE YOU FOR THESE, THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF FEES THAT GO INTO IT. WE WE'VE LEARNED A LOT GOING THROUGH THIS. SO IF THEY USE LIKE A REWARDS CARD, IT CHARGES AS MORE FEES THAN IF YOU JUST USE A REGULAR CREDIT CARD OR DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS BUILT INTO THIS. BUT YOU CAN SEE JUST FOR THAT ONE MONTH, $45,000 ON THAT 1.5 MILLION. SO. SO FOR THOSE MONTHS WE WERE CHARGED HERE IN THE FIRST COLUMN AND THEN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO COLLECT FROM OUR CUSTOMERS THERE IN THE SECOND. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL. THE 2% COVERS ABOUT 73% IN MOST MONTHS. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE ABNORMALLY LARGE OR UNUSUAL CHARGES, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO 1,000,005, WE'RE GOING TO ONLY COLLECT AROUND 64%, PROBABLY ON AVERAGE ON THOSE. [04:50:06] IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, I WE DID CALL AROUND, TALK TO SOME OTHER CITIES. THE ONLY OTHER CITY. TAYLOR CHARGES A CHARGE OF $2 PER TRANSACTION. JUST A FLAT CHARGE. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO COVERING MUCH OF ANYTHING. $2. AND THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN CHOSE TO TACKLE THIS BY INCREASING THEIR APPLICATION FEES TO COVER CREDIT CARD FEES. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY CONVOLUTED WAY AND DIFFICULT TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE REALLY COVERING THAT FEE WHEN YOU DO IT THAT WAY. WE'LL TELL YOU THE OTHER CITIES WHERE WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE WERE DOING AND ALL SAID THEY WERE VERY THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT CHARGING ALL OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS CREDIT CARD FEES. AND WE'RE VERY CURIOUS. SO HOW IT WAS PROGRESSIVE IN THAT WE'RE WE'RE AHEAD OF THE PACK ON THAT WHEN WE FIGURED THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL COLLECTING 73%. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO ON THE DEVELOPERS, WE COULD INCREASE IT TWO AND A HALF TO 3% AND HAVE THAT SET JUST FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING AWAY WITH THE CREDIT CARD FEES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TALKING TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THE SMALLER BUILDERS AND A LOT OF THE ONE OFF PERMITS THAT DO LIKE TO GO ONLINE AND DO THAT. AND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO DO ONE TO PULL ONE FOR A WATER SOFTENER OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY'RE DOING. IF YOU'VE GOT TO DO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE FENCE PERMITS HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ONE OFFS. IT WORKS REALLY WELL FOR THOSE SMALLER CONTRACTORS. THE BIGGER DEVELOPERS, THE BUILDERS ARE GOING TO SEND SOMEBODY WITH A STACK OF CHECKS TO US. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. NOW, WHEN THEY DID IT FOR THIS ONE MONTH AND DID ALL THESE CREDIT CARDS AND THEN THE OTHER MONTHS, THEY'RE SENDING IN CHECKS TO US. SO THEY HAVE THAT OPTION. THAT OPTION EXISTS. IT'S THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE CREDIT CARD FEE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO. NO ONE HAS TO PAY THE CREDIT CARD FEE. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY CAN STILL SEND IN A CHECK, COME IN PERSON HOWEVER THEY WANT TO DO IT. SO THAT OPTION IS STILL THERE. WE DO FIND THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER MONTHS USING IT ARE SMALLER CONTRACTORS AND AND ONE OFF PERMIT KIND OF THINGS. SO I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOUR DECISION. BUT THAT WOULD BE I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, I WOULDN'T DO AWAY WITH IT, BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO INCREASE IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING OUR FEES ON THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHANCE THAT IN A MONTH THEY GET BUSY, THEY DECIDE TO HIT US WITH ANOTHER MILLION, MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. I WILL TELL YOU, THAT WASN'T THE FIRST. AND THEN THIS YEAR WHEN WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT. BUT IN PRIOR FISCAL YEAR, THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT LARGE OF A CHARGE ON IN A MONTH. SO WE HAD THAT AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES DURING FISCAL YEAR 2021. SO PAY FOR HALF AN EMPLOYEE JUST THAT ONE DEAL. SIR. ANGIE, I KNOW YOU'LL. YOU'LL LOOK OUT AT THE SURROUNDING TOWNS. BUT WHAT ABOUT TOWNS THAT ARE IN A GROWTH RATE LIKE 8% THAT WE'RE IN, THAT ARE HAVING AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT? WELL, IF YOU DON'T THINK PFLUGERVILLE AND TAYLOR AND SOME OF THEM AREN'T RIGHT NOW IN GEORGETOWN, THEY DEFINITELY ARE. AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, SOME OF THEM, TOO. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY GEORGETOWN CHANGED THEIRS. BUT. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF BEING WILLING TO LIKE, SAY, ALL THE OTHERS ASKED, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? BECAUSE WE'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO THIS? SO I THINK THIS IS A COST THAT HAS BEEN GOING UP. WE DID ALSO LEARN THAT THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY THAT IS PROVIDING THE SERVICES ALL BEGINNING APRIL 1ST, ALL OF THEIR FEES INCREASED 0.08%. SO IT'S JUST AND WE DON'T GET A SAY IN THAT. THEY JUST SEND US A LETTER AND THEY GO, CONGRATULATIONS IN APRIL, YOUR FEES ARE GOING UP. SO YOU SAID ABOUT THE BIGGER BUILDERS SENDING A STACK OF CHECKS, BUT OUR SMALLER BUILDERS ARE STILL DOING THE CREDIT CARD. I DON'T WANT TO SOME OF THE SMALLER BUILDERS ARE OR SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DO HAVE I CAN SEE YOU CAN SEE THAT WE STILL DID, YOU KNOW, THREE OR $400,000 IN NOVEMBER AND JANUARY OF CREDIT CARD FEES, CHARGES, TRANSACTIONS. SO WE STILL DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE. BUT BUT YOUR BIG LENDERS ARE MERITAGE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER HOMEBUILDERS IN THE AREA, THAT'S WHO HIT US. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY LIKE THAT HIT US IN DECEMBER WITH A LOT OF THEM. THEY IN MOST MONTHS WILL SEND. A RUNNER, THEY'LL JUST SEND HIM IN THE MAIL SACK, SECOND CHECKS. SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THEIR CONVENIENCE, PERIOD. THAT'S WHAT I CALL A CONVENIENCE FEE. HERE'S A LOOK AT IT AMONG, I THINK, A DIFFERENT GRAPH PAGE. BUT FOR NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE ATE $23,000 IN FOUR MONTHS. AND SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OVER A PERIOD OF A YEAR, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT'S A FULL [04:55:04] SALARY, BUT THAT'S A FINANCIAL PERSON TO HELP WITH THE CHECK CASHING AND WHETHER YOU'RE BIG OR SMALL. IN MY MIND, IF YOU COME IN WITH AN AMERICAN EXPRESS, WHY DO YOU GET TO EARN POINTS? OR IT'S ANOTHER SOMEBODY IN THE BUILDING IN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S JUST CONTINUED. WHEREVER YOU WANT THAT PERSON TO BE, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE EARNING POINTS AND WE'RE SACRIFICING SOME OTHER SERVICE WHERE THEY CAN ALWAYS BRING A CHECK IN. SO I SEE NO REASON WE CAN'T GO LIKE 3% AND THEN LOOK AT IT. AND IF WE'RE STILL WAY OFF, THEN WE CAN COME BACK. SINCE THERE'S A NEW PRICE INCREASE, IT TOOK EFFECT. WE CAN COME BACK AND BUMP IT TO FOUR OR GO FROM THERE. BUT AND THIS IS IT, OF COURSE, THIS IS SET IN THE FEE ORDINANCE. SO WHAT I WOULD NEED TO DO IS JUST THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO, JUST INSTRUCTIONS. I'LL BRING THE FEE ORDINANCE, MAKE THAT CHANGE AND BRING THAT BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. I MEAN, I JUST THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS TO OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS, IF THEY'RE USING A CREDIT CARD, THEN IT SHOULD BE THE SAME FOR THE DEVELOPERS. SHOULDN'T IT BE ON OUR DIME? YEAH. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. PAYING ITS WAY AND PAYING FOR ITSELF. YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR FOR, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT, BUT WE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE COVERING WHATEVER THE COST IS, IS, IN MY OPINION, AND PASSING THAT ON AND HOW TO LEAD THE WAY. AND THE OTHER CITIES CAN LOOK TO US. ALL RIGHT, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO. RAISE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE'S CREDIT CARD FEES TO 3%. SECOND. BY CUSTOMER SUTTON SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY SEEKING FIRST NAME. I WAS LIKE, WAS IT? COME ON. ALL RIGHT. RAISING THE FEE FOR DEVELOPMENT. LOTS OF PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THE 3%. BETTER CREDIT CARD FEES. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? AND WILL THAT COVER INCLUDING THAT NEW LITTLE BUMP THE CREDIT CARD COMPANIES HAVE JUST ANNOUNCED? WELL. RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLARREAL SALVO I. MAYOR PRO TEM THORNTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON I. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I. SNYDER I. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SET THAT REVIEWING THE AGENDA. AND THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER ITEM THAT I'M REQUIRED TO BE HERE FOR, WHICH IS WHETHER THE BOARD NEEDS TO DISCUSS THE MCGINNISS LITIGATION. IF THAT IS NOT NECESSARY TONIGHT, THEN I WAS GOING TO ASK TO BE EXCUSED. BECAUSE THAT WAS ONLY PUT ON IN THE EVENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. I THINK WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT. NO, I'M GOOD. HI, GEORGE. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. NIGHT. IT'S MIDNIGHT. I GOT TO GO. ALL RIGHT. BRAESIDE IN 12 SIX. [12.6. Discussion regarding bonding capacityand future debt issuances of the City of Hutto or the Hutto Economic Development Corporation (Jim Sabonis, Angie Rios)] DISCUSSION REGARDING BONDING CAPACITY AND FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. OR THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. WE GOT A DEAL. ANGIE GOT GOOD NEWS. JIM AND I GOT A DEAL. OH, YOU'VE ONLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. I GOT TO GET THAT OUT OF MY EMAIL. WHY DO YOU HAVE IT? PLEASE. AND WE WORKED GEORGE OUT. HE USUALLY LIKES TO STAY ALL THE WAY TILL THE END. I WISH I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT 3 HOURS AGO. SO I CAN BE ON HIS INVOICE. YES. OKAY. CHRISTIAN. WHAT I SAY TO 230. OKAY. I WAS GUESSING, TOO. I TOLD YOU IT MIGHT BE A RECORD. OH, NO. AFTER FOUR ONE NIGHT. AND START THINKING WE'RE OUT OF THE WOODS. WE'RE NOT DONE YET. RIGHT? TANNER JUST DROVE STRAIGHT TO WORK. I'M GOING DO IT. WELL, JIM, I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TELL US. TALK TO US ABOUT. WE'RE LOOKING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS JIM SEVERANCE. [05:00:02] I'M THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR. I WORK FOR HILLTOP SECURITIES. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT GIVING THE PRESENTATION I WAS GOING TO GIVE YESTERDAY. TONIGHT. BUT I'VE GOT SOME GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS IS. THIS IS A POSITIVE PRESENTATION. CITI'S NEVER BEEN IN A STRONGER FINANCIAL CONDITION. YOU'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT DEBT CAPACITY WITHOUT RAISING TAXES. IT'S EXCITING PRESENTATION AND THE GOOD NEWS. THE BAD NEWS, MY WIFE JUST TEXTED ME, SAID, DON'T GO HOME TONIGHT. YOU DISRUPT MY SLEEP AND GET A HOTEL. SO SO WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT LATER. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. MORE SALES TAX REVENUE. SO WHEN WE DID THIS, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS RUNNING NUMBERS. WE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH ANGIE AND ISAAC TALKING ABOUT THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CONDITION, ABOUT THE DEBT THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE FOR ISSUING DEBT AND AND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SLIDES. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY, BECAUSE THIS PROVIDES ALL THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CONDITION. NOW, SOME SOME OF MARKET INFORMATION. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE GREAT NEWS ABOUT YOUR SITUATION. AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT TONIGHT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT WAS THE PAST, BUT AS YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, I'D LIKE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT FUTURE CITIES AND EXCELLENT FINANCIAL CONDITION. THE PREVIEW I GAVE THE MAYOR PRIOR TO THE MEETING WAS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS AND SHE'S BEEN DILIGENTLY GATHERING INFORMATION, WORKING WITH ISAAC. WE'VE BEEN ON NEGATIVE OUTLOOK BY THE RATING AGENCIES AND WITH THE DISCLOSURE WE DID ABOUT LITIGATION THAT CAUGHT THEIR ATTENTION AND THEY'VE DONE AN INTENSIVE REVIEW AND I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE RESULT OF THAT REVIEW WAS WE'RE NO LONGER A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK, WE'RE ON STABLE OUTLOOK. THEY REMOVED IT AND IT'S A VERY POSITIVE RATING REPORT AND WE'LL FORWARD YOU COPIES OF IT. AND THAT REPORT, WE MAINTAIN OUR DOUBLE A-MINUS RATING, BUT THEY'VE INDICATED TO ME THAT EVERY FACTOR THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE LOOK AT US CURRENTLY, WOULD YOU RATE US HIGHER? ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THEY LOOK AT IS CONSISTENCY AND TIME FRAME OVER. THEY INDICATE TO ME THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY COULD DO, NO POLICY, NO PROCEDURE DIFFERENTLY THAT WOULD GIVE IT A HIGHER CREDIT. YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING BEST PRACTICE IN OUR INDUSTRY AND THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE GET A HIGHER RATING. SO I CONGRATULATE YOU AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO TO TELL YOU YOUR STAFF HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, 2019, WHEN THEY HAD A DIFFICULT FINANCIAL YEAR, USE A COUNCIL. WE PUT SOME VERY TOOK ACTIONS TO RIGHTSIZE THE GOVERNMENT, PUT POLICIES AND PRACTICES IN PLACE. AS A RESULT, 2020, YOU HAD A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE STATISTICS. BUT I'M GOING TO KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS. SO LET'S GET TO THE KEY POINTS. IT'S A GREAT YEAR. YOUR TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE. THIS CURRENT YEAR'S 2,000,800,000, YOU GREW BY 644,030% OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THIS YEAR, THIS CALENDAR YEAR ENDING IN DECEMBER, YOU HAD 691,000 OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, APPROXIMATELY 8691 MILLION RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, 2000. YOU HAD ANOTHER 70 OR 80 MILLION OF COMMERCIAL PERMITS, AS I INDICATED. WE HAVE A VERY POSITIVE RATING REPORT ANTICIPATING HIGHER RATING GOING FORWARD. THAT WAS JUST RELEASED ON MARCH 31ST. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT CAPACITY, I SOMETIMES DO A PRESENTATION. WHAT LEGALLY CAN YOU ISSUE DEBT? WHAT DOES THE MARKET. BUT THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR. AND OUR PLAN IS NO TAX RATE INCREASE AND YOUR INTEREST IN SEEKING DEBT. WE'VE LOOKED AT 25 YEAR DEBT ISSUES WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOUBLE-A MINUS TAX AND INTEREST RATES. WE HAD 50 BASIS POINTS AS A BUFFER. THE MARKET'S MOVES TREMENDOUSLY AND WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL CONTINUE MOVING. AND WE'VE PUT SOME SCENARIOS OF FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS OF TAXABLE VALUE GROWTH. WE PUT A CONSERVATIVE CASE IN A BASE CASE. OUR BASE CASE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. AND AND WE'LL USE THOSE. AND AND AS THE SUMMARY INDICATES HERE, OUR MOST ULTRA CONSERVATIVE CASE, WE CAN ISSUE $38,570,000 OF DEBT, NO TAX RATE INCREASE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. OUR BASE CASE, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I CONSIDER A CONSERVATIVE THING THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT, IT LOOKS AT 55,775,000 AFTER TAKING THE COST OF ISSUANCE AND UNDERWRITERS DISCOUNT FUNDS, ABOUT $54,910,000 OF PROJECTS. [05:05:05] HOW DO WE GET THERE? AGAIN, I INDICATED THAT HOW LOW IS AA MINUS SOME HIGH MEDIUM INVESTMENT GRADE CREDIT. BESIDES THAT, INTEREST RATE CREDIT IS A POSITIVE REPORT. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IS IN THE REPORT, THIS IS AN EXCERPT, SOME OF THE KEY POINTS IN THE REPORT. AND WHEN YOU WRITE THIS, YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS. AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN CONTROL IS POSITIVE. IT'S CONSIDERED VERY STRONG. THEY INDICATED THAT OUR ECONOMY IS GROWING DRAMATICALLY. AND NOT ONLY IS IT GROWING, IT'S DIVERSIFIED. ONE THING TO INDICATE IN THE REPORT IS THAT THAT OUR TOP TEN TAXPAYERS ARE LESS THAN 6% OF OUR VALUE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE'VE GOT A WIDE VARIETY OF OF TAXPAYERS HERE. ALSO, THEY INDICATED THAT WE'VE HAD A RETURN TO FINANCIAL BUDGET. AND TO GIVE YOU A FEEL IN 2018, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE ENDED THE YEAR WITH 20% OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSES FOR THAT YEAR IN CASH BALANCE. WE MOVE FORWARD TO 2019. WE DIPPED DOWN TO 6.9%. IN FACT, AT THE END OF THAT YEAR, IF WE HAD ANOTHER OPERATING LOSS, WE WOULD HAVE NEGATIVE FUNDS IN THE BANK, BUT QUICK ACTIONS ADJUSTMENTS IN THE BUDGET. IN ONE YEAR WE WENT BACK TO 26.5% AND WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING ANTICIPATING THAT THE AUDIT SHOWS AN INCREASE AND IT WILL INCREASE ABOVE THAT. SO WITH DRAMATIC ACTIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO RETURN TO OUR PREVIOUS LEVEL AND CONTINUED CONTROL OF EXPENSES AND POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE EXCEED WHERE WE WERE AT THAT TIME. WE LOOK AT OUR DEBT SITUATION. THEY INDICATE VERY WEAK DEBT PROFILE. I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVE A NUMBER OF TRIPLE-A CITIES AND OTHER HIGH RATE CITIES THAT HAVE WEAK DEBT PROFILES TO COMPONENTS OF DEBT PROFILE ONES, OUR DIRECT DEBT. WE HAVE OURSELVES AND OUR OVERLAPPING DEBT THAT WE HAVE OF THE OVERLAPPING JURISDICTIONS IN TEXAS. SCHOOL DISTRICTS ISSUE DEBT TO FORM TAXES. IN OKLAHOMA, THEY DO SALES TAXES. SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A DISADVANTAGE AROUND THE COUNTRY WHEN THEY COMPARE US TO OTHER CITIES BECAUSE NOT EVERY STATE USES ADD MORE TAXES FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT BEING SAID, AND WE'LL GET TO THIS IN A MINUTE, THAT WE HAVE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 6% OF OUR TAXABLE ASSESSED VALUE AND AD DEBT OUTSTANDING, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY IS UTILITY DEBT. IN FACT, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT UTILITY DEBT. WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THE UTILITY DEBT, WE HAVE UNDER 2% OF OUR VALUE IN ACTUAL AD VALOREM TAX FOR DEBT. THE MEDIAN FOR GROWTH CITIES THAT OUR SIZE IN TEXAS IS 3.5%. SO WE REALLY HAVE A VERY MODERATE AMOUNT OF DEBT. BUT WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, THEY LOOK AT THE OVERALL TAX BURDEN. SO WHAT CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR RATINGS? THREE THINGS. ONE IS CONSISTENCY OF OF OPERATIONS, MAINTAINING OUR CASH BALANCES. AND AND THEY INDICATE THE DEBT PROFILE, THOUGH WE'VE DONE SOME EXTENSIVE STUDIES WITH HIGH RATED CREDITS IN THE LAST YEAR. AND IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT HIGH RATED CREDITS GENERALLY HAVE SIGNIFICANT DEBT. THEY'RE GROWING, THEY HAVE POSITIVE FINANCIALS. THE OF ALL THE CRITERIA, THE TWO THAT ARE IMPORTANT ARE THE TWO THAT WE'VE MADE. THE BIGGEST SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN IS CONSISTENT OPERATIONAL CASH FLOW POSITIVES, BEING ABLE TO BUDGET AND MEET OUR BUDGETS OR EXCEED IT AND MAINTAINING CASH BALANCES. I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TAKING ACTIONS TO PUT SOME OF THE POLICIES IN PLACE IS WHEN DIFFICULT TIMES COME. COVID WAS AN EXAMPLE THEY LOOKED AT DID A CITY ANTICIPATED? WERE THEY ABLE TO RIGHTSIZE THEIR BUDGET? DID THEY HAVE CASH? WE DID THOSE THINGS. WHAT HAPPENS TO GO DOWN? IT'S THE SAME THING THEY'VE TOLD US BEFORE. AND WHAT THEY TELL EVERYONE ELSE IS IF WE IF WE GO THROUGH OTHER NEGATIVE OPERATING BUDGETS, WE CAN'T MANAGE OUR FUNDS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE RATED AS HIGH AS WE GO FORWARD. THIS IS A DEBT THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING. AND AGAIN, I WANTED TO PUT THIS IN PLACE TO SHOW YOU THAT. THAT WE HAVE ABOUT $181 MILLION OF DEBT OUTSTANDING. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VAST MAJORITY IS SELF-SUPPORTED WATER, SEWER, 126 MILLION. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN STATE OF TEXAS ITSELF, IT'S IT'S UNIQUE TO WHERE YOU ARE IN THE STATE AND HOW YOUR YOUR DEBT IS STRUCTURED HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS. IT'S COSTLY TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER AND AND YOU REFLECT THAT COST. BUT WHEN YOU DELETE THAT OUT, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT $55 MILLION OF ABNORMAL DEBT. AND AGAIN, IT'S UNDER 2% OF OUR VALUE. IT'S A PRETTY MODERATE NUMBER. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AD VALOREM DEBT. I WANT TO SAY THAT THE ONLY DEBT ISSUE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND I'LL BRING THIS UP IS SINCE 2019, WAS A REFUNDING IN 2020. IN THE MIDST OF OUR NEGATIVE OUTLOOK AND THE CHALLENGES WE ARE FACING, BOTH STRATEGICALLY [05:10:04] AND AND FROM LITIGATION, WE WENT FORWARD AND WE REFUNDED EXISTING DEBT. WE SAVED THE CITY $2,700,000. I CONGRATULATE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY TOOK ACTIONS. THEY WERE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT A STRATEGIC PLAN IN THE MIDST OF RECOVERY. THEY WERE ABLE TO MEET THEIR THEIR THEIR PLAN AND EXCEED IT. AND SO THAT WAS A BIG SIGNIFICANCE. SO THE CITY HASN'T ISSUED A DEBT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO MEETINGS. I'VE HEARD WHAT PEOPLE SAID, WHAT PEOPLE SAID EARLIER TONIGHT. AND AND AGAIN, IT IS REFLECTIVE OF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DEBT OUTSTANDING. WHAT DO WE HAVE AUTHORIZED? WE HAVE THE ELECTION OF 2018, 125 MILLION WAS AUTHORIZED. YOU ISSUED 25 MILLION. WE HAVE 100 MILLION LEFT TO BE AUTHORIZED, 53 MILLION FOR ROADS, 41 MILLION FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND 5 MILLION FOR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM. WE HAD AN OLD 1972 BOND ELECTION. THERE'S SOME RESIDUAL 13,000 SALES ON THE BOOKS I THINK YOU'RE BUYING. COUNCIL WILL TELL YOU THAT THE AG WOULD SAY THAT STALE AUTHORIZATION IS OVER TEN YEARS OLD AND WE HAVEN'T ISSUED AGAINST IT. PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR AUTHORIZATION. ONE THING WE MAY THINK ABOUT IS JUST PASSING A RESOLUTION, DELETING IT FROM YOUR BALANCE SHEET. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE USED. BUT WE HAD DEBATE. WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST REMAINING. BUT WE'VE GOT TREMENDOUS CAPACITY. SO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT OUR DEBT STRUCTURE IS. AND DEBT STRUCTURE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE A DECLINING STRUCTURE. DECLINING STRUCTURE GIVES US TIME BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE GROWTH, BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE TAIL END AND SAY, WHERE DO WE HAVE CAPACITY IN THIS PROCESS? AND SO IN GENERAL, THIS IS A GOOD STRUCTURE BECAUSE OVER TIME OUR DEBT DECLINES AND AS WE ISSUE OVER TIME, WE'LL FILL IN THOSE BLANK SPACES. WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BULGE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT THE ONE THING I MENTIONED, THE REFUNDING EARLIER AND THE REASON I WANT TO MENTION REFUNDING IS WHEN WE DID THE REFUNDING AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF AT THAT TIME, THE THE SAVINGS WAS FOCUSED ON THOSE FOUR YEARS, MANY YEARS AGO THAT THAT WAS ISSUED AND THEY PUT IN THOSE HIGHER PAYMENTS. THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. AND THE ANTICIPATION NOW IS THAT WITHOUT ANY ACTIONS, THE CITY WOULD GROW AND BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT EASILY. BUT THE REFUNDING NOT ONLY WAS TO SAVE MONEY, BUT STRATEGICALLY DONE, AND THE SAVINGS TO REDUCE THOSE 2.7 MILLION WAS PRIMARILY SPREAD OVER THOSE FOUR YEARS. SO BIG KEY FOR US IS WHAT YOUR CAPACITY IS. WHERE ARE WE RIGHT NOW IN VALUE AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GROW? SO I PUT THESE STATISTICS TOGETHER, KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT'S TAKING PLACE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE HAD SOME JUMPS IN GROWTH. WE AND LAST YEAR WAS A SIGNIFICANT YEAR OF 30.8%. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR THREE YEAR AVERAGE, WE'RE AT 332 MILLION ON AN AVERAGE ANNUAL BASIS ON FIVE YEARS OF ABOUT 283. WE TOOK ALSO IN THE FACTOR THAT WE HAD THE THE THE 670 MILLION VALUE. SO WE SAID, WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE? I'LL ALSO INDICATE THAT. AND SHE GAVE US INDICATION THAT YEAR TO DATE WE'RE ABOUT 15% BELOW 21 AND BUILDING PERMITS, IT COULD BE SEASONAL, IT COULD BE CATCH UP, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO WE KIND OF MADE LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS AND HOW WE'D ACTUALLY DO THIS. AND SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TO KIND OF PUT LIKE REALLY WHAT I CALL MY BASE CASE AND, AND, AND IN A CONSERVATIVE CASE AND THE CURVE, SAY SAYS ECONOMY FALTERS. WE REALLY JUST ABSORB SOME OF THE PERMITS THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE LIMITED GROWTH GOING FORWARD. AND WE GROW ON AVERAGE ABOUT $300 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. OUR OUR BASE CASE SHOWS US GROWING IT ABOUT $528 MILLION ANNUALLY OVER BASIS. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM A PERCENTAGE WE DROP FROM 30 TO 24, 17, 13, 11. IT'S ACTUALLY STILL FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S TAKING PLACE. WE SHOW A REEVALUATION OF EXISTING VALUE BY 1% AND OUR CONSERVATIVE CASE PER YEAR AT 1.5% PER YEAR. BUT TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT COMBINING BOTH WHAT'S TAKING PLACE AND INTERPRETING WHAT WE KNOW TOOK PLACE IN 21 AND GOING FORWARD IN GENERAL, I THINK THESE ARE BOTH CONSERVATIVE WITH A CONSERVATIVE CASE BEING HYPER CONSERVATIVE. NEXT THING YOU DO IS WE LOOKED AT TAX RATES BECAUSE OUR TAX VERY IMPORTANT AND AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THE 2021 AND 22 YEARS, OUR TAX RATES ACTUALLY DECLINED OVER THAT TIME FRAME. AND WHAT'S REALLY DECLINED IS YOUR IN TAX RATE. [05:15:02] SO I'VE TALKED TO ANGIE AND ISAAC ABOUT THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT 2020, WE HAD A 23% TAX RATE. WE HAVE AN ISSUE DEBT. OUR VALUE IS GROWN, SO WE GO DOWN BECAUSE OUR DENOMINATOR IS BIGGER. A NUMERATOR IS CONSTANT AND WE'VE GONE DOWN NOW AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE DOWN. YOU CAN SEE ABOUT $0.08. YOU ALSO GO DOWN IN MORE VALUE IN YOUR TAX RATE. AND I ANTICIPATE GOING FORWARD THAT YOUR TAX RATE WILL DECLINE AS YOU AS YOU CONTINUE TO GROW. WE HAVE LIMITATIONS LEGISLATIVELY NOW PUT IN PLACE. BUT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE THINKING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY AT THE STATUTORY. SO WE LOOK AT CAPACITY. A KEY ASSUMPTION IS THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN 15.6 CENTS GOING FORWARD. SO BASED ON THAT, WE RUN A SCENARIOS AND WELL, LET ME GO TO INTEREST RATES. GIVE YOU A QUICK FEEL ON INTEREST RATES. INTEREST RATES ARE INTERESTING. THEY'VE MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE THAT'S MOST COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AT YOU, LOOK AT THE FOURTH COLUMN FROM THE LEFT, WHICH IS THE BOND BUYER INDEX. IT LOOKS AT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT ARE ISSUED AND GIVES YOU A FEEL NOT EXACTLY WHERE RATES ARE, BUT WHAT MOVEMENT AND RATES HAVE BEEN. AND OUR INDEX LAST WEEK WAS A 2.73 AND THE LOW WAS 202, PRETTY CLOSE TO ABOUT THE TIME WE DID THE REFUNDING. AND OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, RATES HAVE GONE UP. BUT IT'S INTERESTING DISCUSSION IN THE FIRM BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL REALLY LOW. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LAST TEN YEARS, CURRENT RATES ARE LOWER THAN ABOUT 77% AT THE TIME THEY WERE THE LAST TEN YEARS. BUT WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO GO UP AND THAT'S WHY WE BUFFERED IT BY 50%. ONE THING THAT'S WORKING TO OUR ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE'RE SEEING 25 YEAR DEBT, AND MOST OF THE MOVEMENT IN INTEREST RATES HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE FRONT END. IF YOU LOOK AT JANUARY THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY AND YOU LOOK AT THE ONE YEAR YIELD, IT WAS SLIGHTLY UNDER 1%. IT'S ACTUALLY, AS OF LAST WEEK, JUMPED TO APPROXIMATELY 123 BASIS POINTS WITH A TOTAL SPREAD BETWEEN A ONE YEAR AND A 25 YEAR MATURITY RIGHT NOW IS SLIGHTLY UNDER 1%. SO IT'S ALMOST A FLAT YIELD CURVE AND SOME DISCUSSION, IT MIGHT GO INVERTED. BUT WHAT'S WHAT HELPS IS WELL, INTEREST RATES HAVE COME ON ON THE FRONT SIDE, JUST LIKE A HOME MORTGAGE. MOST OF OUR PRINCIPAL, WHEN WE DO DEBT SERVICE, WILL BE TOWARDS THE END. IT'S NOT BEEN GONE UP AS MUCH. AND NOT ONLY WELL, RATES GONE UP. IT'S FASCINATING TO ME BECAUSE AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF SALES OVER THIS YEAR, A REALLY VERY ACTIVE MARKET WITH MOVEMENT AND RATES. AND WE'VE HAD MORE BIDDERS THAN EVER. YOU KNOW, I LEARNED EARLY IN MY CAREER FROM MY MENTOR THAT TOLD ME WHEN INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP, INVESTORS SHY AWAY FROM CREDIT RISKS. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN NATION AND YOU'RE THINKING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT AREA THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO DO BETTER AND WHO IS GOING TO DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE IN THE RATINGS IN TEXAS CITY? SO WE'VE SEEN MORE BIDDERS AND BIDDERS. WE'VE IN MY ENTIRE CAREER, I DIDN'T KNOW WE'RE OUT THERE COMING TO BID ON OUR BONDS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE UNDERSTANDING OF INTEREST RATE RISK. BUT OUR TEXAS CITIES AND THE OF CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATIVE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT VERY STRONG. THEY LOOK AT AND THINK WE CAN PURCHASE THAT AND WE HAVE SAFETY AND CREDIT AND POTENTIAL CAPITAL GAIN AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN OUR HIGHER RATINGS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY COMING IN INTO THE MARKETPLACE. SO. IN SUMMARY, WE RAN TWO SCENARIOS MAINTAINING YOUR CURRENT IGNIS TAX RATE. WE DID THE FOUR YEARS OF PROJECTED GROWTH. ONE, WE AVERAGED JUST 10% GROWTH A YEAR. ONE, WE AVERAGED ABOUT 16.8% CONSERVATIVE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY. BUT SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORKING POSITION WE RAN. 25 YEAR DEBT ISSUES. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE FIRST 25 YEARS OF MY CAREER, I DON'T THINK I EVER DID A BOND ISSUE OVER 20 YEARS. IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I'VE DONE MORE 30 YEAR BOND ISSUES WITH RATES BEING FLAT, WITH THE EXPECTATION I RATES ARE GOING UP. MANY CLIENTS HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LOW, FLAT CURVE BY PUSHING DEBT OUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE YOUR INTEREST RATE AND YOU EMBED LOWER DEBT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. SO I DIDN'T DO 30 YEARS. WE DID 25 YEARS. IN THIS CASE, WE WRAP AROUND YOUR EXISTING DEBT AND GET INTO FOCUS ON WHAT THE TAX RATE IMPACT WOULD BE. WE USED CURRENT RATES. A DOUBLE AA PLUS 50 BASIS POINTS. AND THE REASON WE PICKED THAT IS THAT TYPICALLY PART OF MAINTAINING YOUR TAX RATE MIGHT SAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO THROUGH A BUDGET AND ISSUE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO OUR FIRST LEVY ON OUR NEW DEBT ISSUE WOULD BE NEXT YEAR. THAT GIVES US ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MONTHS. [05:20:02] AND TO GIVE YOU A FEEL RIGHT NOW IN THE FORWARD MARKET, THE SPREAD AND ARBITRAGE IS ABOUT 7 TO 10 BASIS POINTS A MONTH IS WHAT THEY WERE QUOTING FOR FOR PURCHASES. THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED IN MARKET. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE SEE RATES GOING AND GETTING BACK TO THAT CONCEPT THAT IN AGGREGATE WE THINK OVER THIS CONSERVATIVE GROWTH OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'RE 35 TO ABOUT 54 MILLION NOW. ONE THING I'LL ADD AND I DIDN'T PUT IN HERE AND I DIDN'T PUT IT HERE BECAUSE I. I DIDN'T WANT TO ACTUALLY GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ON THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT. OTHER GROWTH CITIES WOULD ACTUALLY SAY ONE MORE WAY YOU LOOK AT CAPACITY IS WHAT TAX RATE ARE WE TRYING TO MANAGE OR TRY TO MANAGE OUR TAX RATE ALONE OR WE TRY TO LOOK AT OUR OVERALL TAX RATE. SO EARLY THIS WEEK, I HAVE A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT'S. EXPLODING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PACK THEM. AND WE ADDED ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS, REALIZING THAT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON HOW MUCH THEY CAN GROW THEIR BUDGET BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE. AND WE TRIED TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THE GROWTH WAS AND ACTUALLY BOTH LOOKED AT WHAT THEIR THEIR TAX VALUE WAS. BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEIR MENU IF THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE INCREASE IN APPLETON TAX LEVY AND SAW HOW THEIR TAX RATE DECLINES. AND AGAIN WE DID INCLUDE THIS THIS BUT MY EXPECTATION IS THAT YOUR RATE WOULD DECLINE AND SOME CITIES MIGHT SAY OUR CAPACITY WOULD BE IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AN OVERALL TAX RATE, WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT AND MOVE IT TO INNES DURING THAT TIME FRAME. BUT AND THAT BEING SAID THAT IF YOU WERE TO GO UP A $0.01 AND THAT AREA WOULDN'T BE A $0.01 INCREASE IN YOUR TAX RATE, IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU GO TO THIS BUDGET CHAIR OUR TAX RATE GOES DOWN $0.03. YOU COULD GO UP $0.01 AND YOU'RE IN FOR NEXT YEAR AND YOU GO DOWN $0.02 OVERALL. $0.01 WOULD ADD ABOUT $11 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO IN SUMMARY, I WANT TO GO BACK TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE THIS IS NOT THE PAST. THIS IS THE PRESENT. THE CITY HAS NEVER BEEN IN BETTER FINANCIAL CONDITION, VERY THOROUGH, PROBABLY THE MOST THOROUGH REVIEW I'VE EVER BEEN UNDER A HIGH RATE OF CREDIT THAT'S BEEN UNDER A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK. IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT WE'RE IN THE BEST FINANCIAL CONDITION WE'VE EVER BEEN IN. THEY'RE EXPECTED THAT THE TREND JUST CONTINUES WITH NO CHANGES. WE'LL HAVE HIGHER RATINGS. THEY APPRECIATE THE MANAGEMENT, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE. THE GROWTH IS TAKING PLACE AND UNDER CONSERVATIVE ASSUMPTIONS IN OUR CURRENT RATE, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CAPACITY. I'LL ALSO INDICATE THAT ISSUING THIS DEBT WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON YOUR RATING. IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT YOUR TAX RATE OR THE BURDEN TO THE CITIZENS. IT'S CONSISTENT WHERE IT IS, AND IT'S EXPECTED THAT FAST GROWING COMMUNITIES ISSUED DEBT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THEIR COMMUNITY. SO IT'S THE MOST POSITIVE STORY, I THINK BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AND IT'S EXCITING TO BE HERE TO SEE HOW FAR THE CITY HAS COME AND HOW FAR YOUR VISION AND DIRECTION HAVE MOVED THEM. SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY FORMAL COMMENTS AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS. POSITIVE COMMENTS COUNCIL. WE'LL START WITH ONE. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY THIS IS JUST MY VIEW. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH KEEPING THE RATE STEADY BECAUSE AS VALUATIONS GO UP WHILE THE TAX RATE STAYS STEADY, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAX RATE AS I AM ABOUT THE ACTUAL TAX BILL. AND SO IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO GO OUT AND TELL PEOPLE, HEY, WE KEPT YOUR TAX RATE THE SAME, BUT WE KNOW THAT ACTUALLY YOU MAY BE PAYING $100 MORE EACH YEAR IN TAXES. SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO BORROW MONEY AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE VALUES INCREASING, WHATEVER YOU PUT ON IT, I WOULD SAY 10% A YEAR SINCE SOME OF US ARE. I THINK I HAVE $160,000 IN VALUE OF MY HOUSE ROLLING OVER NEXT YEAR. BUT THERE'S A WAY TO DO A 10% INCREASE AND THEN BE ABLE TO COMPUTE HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW TO WHERE THE RATE DROPS FROM 15, SIX AND 15 FOR WHATEVER IT IS, TO WHERE WE CAN TAKE ON THE BONDING CAPACITY AS A GROUP, BUT ALSO NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, KEEP RAISING. THE TAX BILL? NO, AND I THINK WE CAN AND WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE THAT. THIS WAS TO SAY, WHAT IS OUR CAPACITY WITHOUT A TAX RATE INCREASE? AND I THINK PROBABLY A MORE REALISTIC. IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY WOULD ISSUE THIS MUCH THAT CAN BUILD EVERY ROAD IN THE CITY AT ONE TIME OR JUST ENGAGE IN THOSE MANY CONTRACTS. AND AND SO WELL, WE DID IT OVER A TIME FRAME. MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE A YEAR BY YEAR PROCESS BOTH WHAT IS MANAGEABLE FOR THE [05:25:02] PROJECTS AND A YEAR BY YEAR. LOOK AT WHERE ARE WE REALLY GOING? MY EXPECTATION IS WE'RE GOING TO GROW MORE OF THAT IN VALUE. AND AND AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOUR REQUEST IS. AND WE WE COULD PUT A PLAN IN PLACE THAT WOULD SAY THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, WE GO DOWN $0.03 IN TAX RATE, BUT WE FUND THESE MANY PROJECTS AND WE CAN RUN THOSE SCENARIOS TO AS YOU GO FORWARD, AT LEAST THEN THE COUNCIL COULD VOTE THAT. WHAT LEVEL ARE WE ABLE TO STOMACH? AND I DO THINK AS YOU GO THROUGH BUDGET AND THIS PROCESS, YOU'LL HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE ABOUT YOUR OPERATING TAX RATE BESIDES YOUR OWN. AND LOOK AT WHAT'S TAKING PLACE OVERALL. AND WE CAN GET DO VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS BASED ON PROPOSED PROJECT PACKAGES THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD AND FUND AT THIS TIME. YEAH. I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME BOAT. I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CONSERVATIVE IN THE GROWTH ESTIMATES BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HELP US. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN SPEND IN A GIVEN YEAR. AND SO IF WE COME OUT OF ONE YEAR AND FIND OUT, WELL, GEE, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE GONE A LITTLE FURTHER, THEN WE CAN DO THAT IN THE VERY NEXT YEAR. IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO WAIT A VERY LONG TIME DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT BECAUSE WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERY EVERY PERIOD OF LOAN GROWTH IS ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY RECESSION, IT'S ALWAYS FOLLOWED BY HOUSING MARKET COLLAPSE. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO COME IF WE GET TOO AGGRESSIVE. TO AGGRESSIVELY OPTIMISTIC WE'RE GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE. AND SO I APPRECIATED BEING CONSERVATIVE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. I DON'T I JUST WANT US TO I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE BABY STEPS, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, GO OUT TOO FAR. WELL, ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN, I LIKE BABY STEPS. AND AGAIN, LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. I DID INCLUDE THIS IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT A COMMON THING I'D RECOMMEND TO CLIENTS THAT WE SEE A LOT OF THEM ACTUALLY USE AS A PRACTICE IS AS YOU GO THROUGH BUDGET, WE START A PROCESS, DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR PROJECTS AND ABOUT THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO YOU'LL START GETTING SOME OF YOUR PRELIMINARY ASSESSED VALUES. I EXPECT THEY'LL BE HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED, BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME NUMBERS IN. AND A COMMON THING THAT WE SEE TAKE PLACE IS START TO PROCESS, BASE IT ON. EXPECTED NUMBERS JUST AS YOU DO YOUR BUDGET. BUT JULY 25TH IS THE DAY THEY CERTIFY VALUES. WITH THOSE VALUES, WE HAVE ACTUALLY THREE OR FOUR MORE MONTHS OF BUILDING PERMITS, AND YOU HAVE A GOOD FEEL FOR TAKING INSURANCE. SO YOU YOU HAVE A BETTER A REALLY GOOD VISION OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AND SIZE YOUR ISSUE THAT TIME AND THAT COMES UP TO THE SCENARIO YOU TALKED ABOUT MAY OR WERE THEN MY EXPECTATION WOULD BE IF YOU DECIDE GO FOR THE 20 OR. $30 MILLION. I'M JUST USING THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT BASED ON ACTUAL VALUE FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THAT'S FIXED. AND A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT'S TO TAKE PLACE THE PREVIOUS YEAR CAN BE STRUCTURED TO BE FUNDED. BE RESTRUCTURE TO ALLOW FOR A REDUCTION IN TAXES TO OFFSET ESCALATING VALUES IF YOU CHOOSE TO. AND AND TO GIVE YOU CAPACITY FOR THE FUTURE IS THAT THAT'S HOW WE WOULD TAKE THAT. SO WE HAVE CERTAINTY FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A YEAR BY YEAR RELOOK. LOOK AT WHAT'S TAKING PLACE ONCE YOU UNDERTAKE THIS PROCESS AND AS YOU SAID, ONE YEAR WE MIGHT GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER SO WE CAN ACCELERATE WHAT OUR PROGRAM IS. THE YEAR IT SLOWS DOWN, WE SLOWED DOWN ON THAT PROCESS. THE QUESTIONS. A MAN IS STABLE AND THEY LIKE WHAT WE DID IN MY STABLE ON A VERY POSITIVE UPWARD TREND AGAIN. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO ANALYSTS AND THEY WERE VERY COMPLIMENTARY TO YOUR STAFF AND THE VOLUME AND MATERIALS AND THEIR EXPERTIZE, THE QUICK TURNAROUND. AND THEY INDICATED TO ME THAT STATISTICALLY WE'RE A HIGH RATE OF CREDIT, BUT IT'S KIND OF A STEPPING STONE. WE TAKE THE NEGATIVE OFF, WE'RE GOING TO GET A POSITIVE OUTLOOK. WE'LL LOOK AT UPGRADES WITH EVERYTHING JUST BEING EXACTLY THE TRAJECTORY WE ARE RIGHT NOW. IT'S VERY OUTSTANDING TO SEE THAT WE'VE GONE THAT FAR. AND I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THE ACTIONS YOU'VE TAKEN, FOR THE HARD WORK YOU'VE DONE. SO JIM, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO LOOKING AT OUR THE AD VALOREM TAX RATES GRAPH THAT YOU PRESENTED OVER FROM 2012 TO NOW IN 2020, OBVIOUSLY THE INDEX WAS THE HIGHEST. MM HMM. WE'D SEEN BEFORE AND HUTTO. AND THEN WE SAW IT GO DOWN. DURING THIS TIME PERIOD. THAT WAS RIGHT AFTER COVID HIT. AND THEN WE LOST A LOT OF STAFF HERE. [05:30:03] AND SO WE JUST WEREN'T DOING MUCH HERE IN THE CITY LEVEL IN TERMS OF OVERHEAD. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS. OTHER CITIES THAT YOU WORK WITH, DID THEY SEE A SIMILAR DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY ON THE INS WITH THEIR DEBT THAT HAD BEEN ISSUED? OR WAS WHAT WAS IT THAT WAS SO SPECIFIC THAT WE DID THAT WAS. BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IS A COMBINATION OF THREE THINGS. 2019 WAS THE DIFFICULT YEAR FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD TO 2020. YOU PUT A BUDGET IN PLACE BASED ON 2019 PARAMETERS THAT RIGHTSIZE THE GOVERNMENT. BUT IN SPITE OF COVID, OUR VALUES WENT UP AND OUR SALES TAX INCREASED. SO THERE'S A COMBINED EFFECT THERE OF INCREASED REVENUES WITH DECREASED BUDGET AND VERY CONSERVATIVE BUDGET. SO THAT THAT THAT'S ONE ASPECT. AND THEN THAT'S WHY YOUR RATE YOU SEE ADDRESS WILL YOU KNOW I'LL TELL YOU IT'S RARE THAT YOU SEE SOMEONE GO DOWN AS MUCH AS YOU DID, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF INTENSE MANAGEMENT OF COST CONTROLS, ZERO BASED BUDGETING AND IN CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING GOING FORWARD. THEN SECONDLY, YOU KNOW, AS I INDICATED, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CITY. I WAS BROUGHT ON TO HELP GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN MAY OF 20, BUT NO NEW DEBT WAS ISSUED FROM 19 FOUR. SO YOUR DEBT WAS IN PLACE. YOUR VALUE GOES UP JUST MATHEMATICALLY FROM A FINANCIAL CALCULATION. OUR TAX RATE GOES DOWN FOR THAT PROCESS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WOULD THINK THAT AS YOU GET TO A MORE NORMAL TIME. THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MANAGE YOUR YOUR EYES TAX RATE BASED ON WHAT YOU NEED TO FUND. AND I EXPECT AS WE GROW AND BECOME A BIGGER CITY, OUR RATE WILL CONTINUE TO GO DOWN. I THINK I MIGHT BE WRONG IN THAT, BUT I THINK HIS SALES TAX NEVER MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF OUR LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS. YOUR RATE OVER THEM, THAT'S TOO SWEET. BUT I THINK PROBABLY TELL US TO WHY WE DIDN'T, WHY THAT'S WHAT HELPED OUR NEST RATE DROP WAS THE MISAPPROPRIATION OF MILLIONS TO WHERE WE COULDN'T PUT A GUN TO OUR HEAD. WE COULDN'T ISSUE DEBT AT THAT POINT. SO I THINK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS WHEN THE AV GROWS AND YOU DON'T ISSUE DEBT, THE RATE DROPS. IF THE AV GROWS AND YOU ISSUE ENOUGH DEBT TO KEEP THE RATE THE SAME. SO I LOOK AT THIS AND I GO, WE WOULD HAVE ISSUED DEBT HAD WE LEGALLY HAD THE ABILITY TO ISSUE. WHEREAS NOW I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE POINT. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID BECAUSE I THINK. WHY I SAID WE DRAW SAND, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF EVERYONE'S MIND WHAT TOOK PLACE BEFORE. BUT ALL THE ACTION YOU'VE TAKEN PUT YOU IN A POSITION TO THINK DIFFERENTLY. YOU STILL WANT TO BE USE A TYPE MANAGEMENT. YOU DO COST CONTROLS, THINK WISELY OF DOLLARS YOU SPEND. BUT THE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD IS, SAY, PROVIDE SERVICES THAT YOU CHOOSE. SO IT'S NOT MARKET ACCEPTED IT'LL DO IT COST EFFECTIVELY BUT BUT AGAIN SPECIFICALLY IT WAS. A COMBINATION OF THE CITY'S ACTIONS TO REDUCE SPENDING AND LIMIT ITS DEBT ISSUANCE TO DO THE REFUNDING AND AND THEN CONTINUE COBRA GROWTH. YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING AS WE WENT THROUGH COVID AND. AND WORKING AROUND THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE CITIES THAT THEY THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED IN CERTAIN TYPES OF MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, AIRPORTS OR CONVENTION CENTERS. SO OUR AVERAGE GREW MIGHT NOT GROW AS FAST AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD GROW IF WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR SALES TAX ACTUALLY DID REALLY WELL, TOO. AND SO TO ME. THE CITY WAS UNIQUE. I MEAN, ITS ECONOMIC ENGINE IS POWERFUL IN IT. IT OVERWHELMED KOBE. ALL RIGHT. KURT COBAIN. I LIKE THAT. THANKS, JIM. YOU WERE ALL SENT THE RATING AGENCIES REPORT AND I THINK IT WAS IN THE DROPBOX, IS THAT CORRECT? WE PUT IT WE SENT IT TO THEM IN THERE. THE RATING REPORT THAT I SENT EARLIER, THE DO WE PUT IT IN THEIR DROPBOX? DROPBOX. IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN PUT THIS PRESENTATION ON OUR FINANCIAL PART OF OUR WEBSITE TO. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 1207 DISCUSSION OF MANDATORY SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR [12.7. Discussion of mandatory Sexual Harassment Training with City Attorney for City Council and City Staff by June 1, 2022 (Mayor Snyder, Legal)] CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF BY JUNE 1ST, 2022. [05:35:04] THIS. YOU GOT SOMETHING WE CAN WE CAN SCHEDULE TO HAVE SET UP IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. EIGHT WEEKS. I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A. SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME. LIKE A THREE HOUR TRAINING. A TWO HOUR TRAINING. HOW? HOW COMPREHENSIVE DO YOU WANT THIS TRAINING TO BE? BUT WE CAN. SO IS THIS INTENDED TO BE A TRAINING THAT WE ALL DO TOGETHER IN A MEETING, OR IS IT JUST LIKE INDIVIDUAL TRAINING THAT'S OVER? YOU KNOW, LIKE A, LIKE A WEBINAR KIND OF THING. LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS THE COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE. WE CAN SET IT UP AS A WEBINAR AND YOU'RE JUST TUNING IN FOR THE TRAINING, OR WE CAN SCHEDULE IT AS AN OPEN MEETING AND WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. WE CAN ALSO JUST RECORD THE PRESENTATION WITH A VOICEOVER AND YOU CAN WATCH IT AT YOUR LEISURE. SO THIS IS ENTIRELY YOUR DIRECTION. FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF PERFORMATIVE ACTION TO WHERE I DON'T WANT TO SEE AN A VOICEOVER. PEOPLE ARE AT HOME DRINKING A MARGARITA, WATCHING SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING. I MEAN, IT'S A SERIOUS THING. AND SO I THINK TO SHOW SERIOUSNESS, I THINK YOU NEED TO WE NEED TO ALL GET TOGETHER, PLAN A TIME, AND THEN GO THROUGH IT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A 30 MINUTE WEBINAR THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY GIVEN. IT'S JUST MY OPINION. WE'RE NOT GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE THAT IT PROBABLY. IT NEEDS. IT'S ONE THING. MAYBE NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER WE CAN DO SUPPLEMENTS, BUT. UM. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? I THINK AN OPEN MEETING IS A GOOD IDEA, MAKES IT PUBLIC. IT ALSO GIVES MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND KIND OF RECEIVE THE TRAINING AT THE SAME TIME, IF THEY SO CHOOSE. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST A KNOW. I DON'T I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE QUICKEST THING. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS COMPREHENSIVE AND IS IS REAL. IT'S NOT JUST, LET'S GET IN AND GET OUT. IT'S LET'S SPEND THE TIME AND DO THE WORK. CHECK THE BOX. YEAH, RIGHT. THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BEFORE IS YOU JUST DO SOMETHING JUST TO CHECK THE BOX. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE BULLYING TRAINING. IF WE COULD DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. DO WE HAVE A PREFERRED DATE OR TIME FRAME FOR THE TRAINING? OR DO WE COORDINATE THAT WITH. WELL, I GOT IN TROUBLE ONE TIME WHEN I THREW OUT A DATE. BUT I WOULD SAY, JUST PICK A COUPLE OF DATES, SEND THEM EVERYBODY. AND WE CAN TELL YOU. BECAUSE IT'S TOUGH TO GET SEVEN PEOPLE PLUS CITY STAFF AND MAYBE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO IF WE JUST DO A COUPLE OF DATES AND THE MOST OF US CAN MAKE IT, THEN WE CAN JUST PICK THAT AND CALL THE DATE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DO A SECOND OR A FOURTH THURSDAY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING NORMALLY, BUT IT'S STILL A THURSDAY AND IT'S. HOW LONG IS THIS TRAINING? IT WAS A SIX, EIGHT HOUR COURSE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 90 MINUTES TO 2 HOURS. IT COULD BE SHORTER, BUT I HAVEN'T PUT IT TOGETHER. BUT THAT WAY IT ALLOWS FOR QUESTIONS, ANSWERS AND SOME MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION. SO BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET REAL INTO THE WEEDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE A THURSDAY EITHER. I JUST THOUGHT THAT TODAY THAT WE'RE KIND OF TRAINED THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR ME, IF WE SHOT FOR AN OFF WEEK ON A THURSDAY, THAT IF WE DID THAT, WE COULD AT LEAST THEN GET OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSION PEOPLE TO COME. YOU CAN ALSO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC TO WHERE THAT WAY WE MAY GET YOU GUYS CHARGES PER PERSON. YOU JUST BECAUSE YOUR FIRM IS DOING IT RIGHT. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COMPENSATION ARRANGEMENT IS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY JUST ONE PERSON. PROBABLY ONE PERSON HOURLY. DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? I'LL JUST PICK A THURSDAY AND. AND YOU'RE SAYING WE WANTED IT DONE FOR JUNE 1ST, SO. WELL, I PICKED THAT BECAUSE I FIGURE WE. I MEAN, IF WE SAY, WELL, AS SOON AS YOU CAN, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE, HEY, IT'S SEPTEMBER, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SHOWING THE IMPORTANCE TO IT. YEAH, ME. IN THE OTHER DISCUSSION ON 12 SEVEN. MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST ASK THAT THAT BE COORDINATED THROUGH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE SO WE MAKE SURE IT GETS POSTED. JUST SO THEY'RE AWARE. I KNOW. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I WILL DO THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 12 EIGHT DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEVELOPING A [12.8. Discussion and possible action on developing a policy regarding noncompliance of reporting of workplace harassment by City Councilmembers (Mayor Snyder)] POLICY REGARDING NONCOMPLIANCE OF REPORTING OF WORKPLACE HARASSMENT BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT CAME TO ME FROM AN EX COUNCIL MEMBER. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S LEGALLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE ABOUT [05:40:02] THERE'S PEOPLE ELECTED, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAY AND DO, BUT UNLESS THEY BREAK THE CHARTER, WE'RE LIMITED AS A COUNCIL. BUT ONE OF THE. ONE OF THE FEELINGS OF THIS PARTICULAR PERSON WAS THAT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS REPORTED. IN OTHER COUNTRIES, MEMBERS JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY. AND WE MAY NOT BETTER DO ANYTHING TODAY. IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ELECTION. BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IN OUR CHARTER THAT IF YOU'RE FOUND GUILTY BY WHATEVER FIVE PEOPLE THE OF THE COUNCIL THAT. YOU'RE FAILING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN BE VOTED OFF BY COUNCIL, LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A MALFEASANCE SUBCATEGORY. BUT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THAT COUNCIL WOULD ACT ON VERSUS IT GOING TO LIKE THE ETHICS BOARD. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, IT COULD BE I GUESS IT COULD BE IF IT WENT TO THE ETHICS BOARD AND ETHICS BOARD FOUND A COUNCIL MEMBER GUILTY OF DOING IT. RIGHT NOW YOU'RE FOUND GUILTY BY ETHICS BOARD. BUT THERE'S REALLY NO PUNISHMENT. IT'S JUST. RIGHT. BUT THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION THAT, HEY, THE ETHICS BOARD HAS FOUND YOU GUILTY. REVIEW THE STUFF IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, AND THEN THE COUNCIL MAY COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, BY A VOTE OF 5 TO 2, YOU'VE BEEN REMOVED OR 5 TO 1. YOU'VE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL DUE TO. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO TODAY, BUT IT'S A CONVERSATION WE HAVE TODAY, TOO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL JUST A RESOLUTION, RIGHT? YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE IDEAL WAY WOULD BE TO HAVE A CHARTER PROVISION, BUT WE HAVE THREE YEARS SO WE CAN OPEN UP THE CHARTER IN THE CHARTER WHENEVER WE CAN DO IT EARLY. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE. WE CAN PUT IN THESE RULES IN OUR PROTOCOLS, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO CONSEQUENCE IF YOU BREAK THEM. SO WHAT'S THE IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE FROM A NON REPORTING PERSPECTIVE BUT ALSO BEING THE ONE IN VIOLATION. SO THEN WE GOT IN A LITTLE DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S OBJECTIVE AND WHAT'S OBJECTIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THE LANGUAGE AND THE POLICY WAS EMBARRASSMENT WAS ONE OF THE WORDS USED. WELL, WHAT'S AN EMBARRASSED? WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? WHAT'S APPROPRIATE? WHAT'S NOT PROFESSIONAL? WHAT'S X, Y, Z? AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS FROM A LEGALITY THING, IF WE'RE. ELECTED BY ALL OF THE CITIZENS. AND WE. REMOVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE. BE ABLE TO DO THAT. OR ELECTED AND THEN. US FIVE OR SO OR TO VOTE TO KICK THEM OUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL YOU DO HAVE THAT IN YOUR CHARTER ALREADY. IT'S JUST YOU DON'T HAVE IT'S A FIVE VOTE, FIVE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES, AN EXPRESS PROHIBITION OF THE CHARTER. AND SO THERE'S NOT AN EXPRESS PROHIBITION IN THE CHARTER RELATING TO THIS. AND SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER AMENDMENT. BUT IF YOU BUILD THAT IN, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A MECHANISM BY WHICH YOU CAN REMOVE A COUNCIL WITH AN AFFIRMATIVE OF FIVE MEMBERS. IT USED TO BE THREATENED. YOU USED TO SIT DOWN, AND THE FIRST THING THEY WENT OVER WAS HOW YOU COULD GET FIVE VOTED. BUT THERE'S REALLY UNLESS YOU'RE CONVICTED OF LIKE MALFEASANCE, IT'S. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MALFEASANCE, YOU HAVE TO BE CONVICTED OF SOMETHING VERY SERIOUSLY AND THEN YOU THEN YOU CAN GET VOTED OFF, BUT YOU CAN DO A LOT OF BAD STUFF UP TO THAT POINT AND LITERALLY. BUT IT WAS JUST MORE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AT A SUMMER RETREAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TO WHERE? BECAUSE THE CHARTER SOLUTION, YOU CAN'T AMEND YOUR CHARTER EARLIER THAN EVERY TWO YEARS. AND SO SINCE WE JUST WENT THROUGH A CHARTER AMENDMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST UNTIL PROBABLY MAY 20, 23. BUT THERE'S THE OTHER OPTION OF ETHICS BOARD AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TEETH, BUT IT IS STILL KIND OF A A AN EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT MALFEASANCE WHEN IT HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE ETHICS BOARD AND. THESE ARE THESE ARE CITIZENS THAT ARE SITTING ON THE ETHICS BOARD. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRAINING THEY HAVE FOR REALLY AN ETHICS COMMISSION, I DON'T THINK MEETS VERY OFTEN. SO I KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP. AND THEN AFTER I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE OF ETHICS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST SAT THERE AND SORT OF AND JUST MOVED ON. BUT CHRISTIAN, HAVE YOU WITH ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU ALL REPRESENT, HAVE EXPERIENCED DEVELOPING ANY KIND OF POLICIES OR SOMETHING RELATED TO? THIS ACTION ITEM OR IT'S NOT AN ACTION? WELL, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CONTEXT OF NON-REPORTING OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, BUT A LOT OF [05:45:01] CITIES DO HAVE A MORE, I GUESS, ROBUST ETHICS ORDINANCE. YOU DO HAVE AN ETHICS ORDINANCE IN PLACE, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT AS COMPREHENSIVE AS THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO GET ADDITIONAL TRAINING. AND SO IT IS KIND OF A MORE STANDALONE, SEPARATE SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES CAN TURN A LITTLE POLITICAL BECAUSE ALL THE ETHICS COMPLAINT SOMETIMES GET FILED AROUND ELECTION SEASON. AND SO THERE ARE SOME FAIL SAFES. THEN YOU CAN BUILD INTO THAT WHERE A COMPLAINT CAN'T BE FILED WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME FROM THE ELECTION. AND SO THERE'S WAYS TO KIND OF MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE KIND OF A A REDO OF THE ETHICS ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW. MORE OF AN ENFORCEABLE MECHANISM. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE OF OUR EFFORTS ON BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF. I THINK THE ETHICS COMMISSION IS HONESTLY SKIPPED OVER IN MORE CASES THAN ONE. AND BEING ON THE ETHICS COMMISSION FOR OVER A YEAR, I RECEIVED ZERO TRAINING OTHER THAN JUST THE NORMAL TOMA AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO ZERO TRAINING WAS GIVEN. AND I KNOW AS OF LATE SOME TRAINING PROBABLY IS IN ORDER. I KNOW I'VE SEEN SOME THINGS FROM ETHICS COMMISSIONERS THAT CURRENTLY SERVE THAT MAYBE AREN'T ETHICAL OR NON BIASED AND MAYBE AREN'T THE GREATEST THINGS, ESPECIALLY TO BE COMING FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES. SO DEFINITELY THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE. RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 12 NINE DISCUSSION ON WORKPLACE HARASSMENT POLICIES AND [12.9. Discussion on Workplace Harassment policies and procedures (Interim City Manager Turner)] PROCEDURES. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF I COULD. I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT CIVILITY TONIGHT AND BULLYING TONIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY THIS EVENING. WOULD YOU ALLOW US TO TAKE THIS BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT REWORKING THIS A LITTLE BIT? WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU WAS WHAT WE WERE COMMITTED TO IN TERMS OF TRAINING CITYWIDE TO MAKE IT REQUIRED AND MANDATORY. SO WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING TO THIS BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID TONIGHT, BUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, DIVERSITY, IT NEEDS TO BE DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION. CUSTOMER SERVICE NEEDS TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. WE JUST FEEL LET US TAKE IT BACK AND GIVE US WE MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE IT NEXT MEETING, BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS TO COME BACK AND JUST TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. SO WE HAD HAD A DISCUSSION AND. IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD IN SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I BROUGHT UP IN OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REPORTING PROCEDURES AND THE PROTECTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES AND THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCEDURES? SO WHAT I. I TOOK A LOOK AGAIN AT THE BRIEFLY AT THE POLICIES. AND WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS WHAT HAPPENS IF WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WHAT DONE IS THERE THE PROCEDURES IN THERE? AND I THINK WE COULD DO LIKE CHRISTIAN SAID, WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON THAT. OKAY. SO SO DO YOU JUST WANT A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE PROCEDURES? WELL, AT A DIFFERENT TIME, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT AS A PROJECT. THAT'S KIND OF A MAJOR PROJECT. I CAN SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE PROJECT IS THAT IRENE WILL HAVE. AND THEN IF YOU WANT IT ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT LET US COME BACK TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT THIS SECTION FIRST. I THINK YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GO AND LOOK AT YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND THAT'S A PRETTY MAJOR TASK. I CAN'T ASK HER TO DO THAT NEXT MONTH WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT SHE'S DOING, BUT I CAN PUT THAT AS ONE OF THE ASSIGNMENTS. AFTER I TALK WITH HER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE SHE SEES IT LIKE I SAID. OKAY. SO I'M JUST I'M GOING TO ASK THE MAYOR TO JUST PUT IT IN HIS LIST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM SO WE DON'T TOTALLY LOSE IT. BUT I'M GOING TO TRUST IN YOU TO GO AHEAD AND AND WALK US THROUGH THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET BACK TO THAT AT SOME POINT TO THE WORKPLACE HARASSMENT POLICIES. WHAT HE'S WANTING IS THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S REPORTED? WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE? WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT'S REPORTED? HOW DO YOU PROTECT EMPLOYEES FROM RETALIATION, HOW YOU INVESTIGATE IT PROPERLY AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT RUN TO THE ACCUSER AND TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED? RIGHT. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE SAW THAT WERE VERY QUESTIONABLE WITH THE WAY THINGS WERE HANDLED IN THE PAST, KIND OF LIKE THE SOP, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THAT. WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT? YEAH, I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL AND THINK THAT MAYBE WE CAN COPY AND PASTE THAT INTO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BECAUSE THAT'S COME UP A FEW TIMES WITH DISCUSSIONS ON IF WE HAVE A COMPLAINT IS FOR BEING A PART OF THAT COMMITTEE AND YOU GET A COMPLAINT, WHO DOES THE COMPLAINT GO TO? HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT? WHAT DO WE. YOU CAN'T TELL SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO IT'D BE INTERESTING. I THINK IT MIGHT BE A REALLY EASY COPY AND PASTE HOPEFULLY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S 105. [13. EXECUTIVE SESSION] ALL RIGHT. WELL, HEADING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE HAVE ITEM 13 ONE RECEIVED LEGAL [05:50:02] ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551071 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUEST. ITEM THERE'S NOTHING ON 13 ONE UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON HOW WE READ IT. SORRY. 13 TWO WE SEEK LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 RELATING TO THE PRIOR EXPENDITURE OF CITY LONG TERM DEBT PROCEEDS, FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES OF THE CITY OF HUTTO OR THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND ANY RELATED ACTION BY THE CITY IN RESPONSE THERETO. ITEM 13 THREE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087 AND 551.072. REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN AND AROUND THE MEGA SITE AND CONSIDERATION AND CONVEYANCE OF ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENTS CONVEYING THE OPTION TO PURCHASE REAL PROPERTY AGREEMENTS TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 13 FOUR RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 AND DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087 TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO BUSINESS PROSPECTS, INCLUDING DELIBERATIONS REGARDING THE PURCHASE, SALE, EXCHANGE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551072. AND LASTLY, ITEM 13 FIVE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS IN A BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION. TIMES 107. WE GOT AN UPSTAIRS. DOWNSTAIRS. UPSTAIRS, THERE. DID YOU GUYS MEET TREY? FRIDAY, APRIL 8TH. FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH LINE ITEM 14 ONE. [14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] NO ACTION WAS TAKEN, BY THE WAY. RUN OUT OF 14 ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5519071 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUEST, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY NEGATIVE. 14 TO CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071. RELATING TO THE PRIOR EXPENDITURE OF CITI LONG TERM DEBT PROCEEDS IN ANY RELATED ACTION BY THE CITY IN RESPONSE THERETO. BART. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BART FOWLER WITH MCCALL, PARKHURST AND HORTON. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO SERVE YOU ALL AS BOND COUNSEL. YOU MAY REMEMBER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE AUDIT REPORT FROM THE AUDITORS THAT WERE LOOKING INTO THE EXPENDITURES OF SOME OF YOUR BOND PROCEEDS. YOU ASKED ME TO PRESENT THAT REPORT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND GET THEIR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW YOU MIGHT MOVE FORWARD IN ISSUING ADDITIONAL DEBT. BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THERE WAS A VOTE AUTHORIZATION FROM 2018 WITH THE BOND PROPOSITION FOR SOME STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT REQUIRED THREE STREETS TO BE WORKED ON FIRST BEFORE YOU'D SPEND THAT MONEY ON ANYTHING ELSE. THERE'S ALSO A VOTE OF PROPOSITION FOR PARKS AND THOSE STREETS AND PARK PROPOSITIONS WERE ISSUED, I BELIEVE, IN 2019 FOR A BOND ISSUANCE THAT THE EXPENDITURES OF THOSE COULDN'T BE TRACKED PROPERLY. THE AUDITING FIRM WENT THROUGH THAT TO DETERMINE HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT, AND WE'RE ABLE TO TIE MOST OF THAT BACK TO A PROPER EXPENDITURE, EXCEPT FOR A FEW, SAY A FEW, ABOUT HALF MILLION DOLLARS THEY COULDN'T LOCATE. THAT WAS THE INFORMATION IN THAT AUDIT REPORT THAT I PRESENTED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. BECAUSE OF SOME OF THOSE FINDINGS, WE WEREN'T AT THAT TIME CONFIDENT THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WOULD EVER SIGN OFF ON YOU ISSUING ADDITIONAL DEBT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IN THE PRIOR MISAPPROPRIATION, INAPPROPRIATE EXPENDITURES. I VISIT WITH HIM TWICE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. THE FIRST TIME WAS TO GET THEM UP TO DATE AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO THEM DURING THAT WEEK BETWEEN MY PHONE CALLS WITH THEM. THEY HAD A HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE FINDINGS AND THAT AUDIT REPORT AND SEE HOW THEY THOUGHT YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ISSUING DEBT IN THE FUTURE. THE SECOND CONVERSATION WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE AND VERY POSITIVE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAME BACK AND DECIDED THAT THEY WERE NOT IN A POSITION TO PROHIBIT YOU FROM ISSUING DEBT FOR MOST PURPOSES. REVENUE DEBT, SORT OF CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. VOTER PROPOSITIONS THAT WEREN'T IN QUESTION WOULD BE FINE. THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE IN A POSITION TO PUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS OR REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATIONS ON THOSE. HOWEVER, THE ONE PROPOSITION IN PARTICULAR THAT DOES STILL CALL CAUSE SOME CONCERNS IS THE STREET AND ROAD PROPOSITION FROM 2018. THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS PRIMARILY RELATED TO THE EXPENDITURE OF PROCEEDS FROM THAT BOND ISSUANCE THAT YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER WERE SPENT ON PURCHASING LAND THAT WAS ARGUABLY FOR [05:55:01] DRAINAGE, BUT WAS DEFINITELY NOT FOR ONE OF THOSE THREE PRIMARY STREET PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE PROPOSITION. BECAUSE OF THAT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS AND THEY AREN'T ABLE TO SIGN OFF ON ISSUING ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT FROM THAT VOTER PROPOSITION YET. WHEN THE TIME COMES AND YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THEM AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT. THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT PROBABLY ARE PREMATURE TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE SOME IDEAS, SOME THINGS WE CAN GO TO THEM TO DISCUSS TO POSSIBLY ALLOW YOU TO ISSUE DEBT FROM THAT PROPOSITION. BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIGN OFF AND APPROVE ANY DEBT FROM THAT ISSUED FROM THAT STREET PROPOSITION. THE LAND ACQUISITION, WE'VE TALKED THIS IN OPEN SESSION AS WELL. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY UNRAVEL THAT AND GET THAT MONEY BACK AND THEN SPEND IT APPROPRIATELY PURSUANT TO THE BOND PROPOSITIONS ABOUT PROPOSITION THAT IS STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND BEING HANDLED BY YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AND LITIGATING TEAM, THAT'S NOT COMPLETE YET. THE TIMING ON THAT IS CERTAINLY IN QUESTION. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE SOONER THAN LATER. BUT SINCE IT DOES INVOLVE SOME COURT PROCEEDINGS, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT WILL BE. BUT WHEN THAT CAN BE UNRAVELED, YOU GET THAT MONEY BACK, YOU SPEND IT APPROPRIATELY. AT THAT POINT, THIS ISSUE SHOULD GO AWAY AND SHOULD HAVE THAT FREEDOM AND FLEXIBILITY TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL DEBT FROM THAT STREET PROPOSITION. THE PART PROPOSITION APPEARS TO BE JUST FINE. IF YOU WANT TO ISSUE ADDITIONAL PARK MONEY, THAT WOULD NOT BE A CONCERN. SO WE REALLY ARE NOW DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS SIGNED OFF ON YOU, ISSUING ANY DEBT THAT YOU NEED FOR ANY AUTHORIZED PURPOSE. BUT FOR THE STREET PROPOSITION FROM 2018, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE THAT YOU NEED ISSUE DEBT FROM TO GET YOUR STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT GOING. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT ONE IS STILL TIED UP WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE PAST ISSUES AND PAST ACTIONS BY CITY STAFF THAT ARE NO LONGER HERE, CERTAINLY. SO IT'S NOT A PERFECT ANSWER, BUT IT IS SOME GOOD NEWS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO AT LEAST CLEAR THE REMAINING PIECES THAT OPEN UP SOME FLEXIBILITY TO FINANCE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE STREET PROPOSITION IS STILL UNDER FURTHER REVIEW AND WILL REQUIRE MORE WORK BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE DEBT FROM THAT PROPOSITION. THAT'S A LONG WINDED WAY OF SAYING WE'VE NARROWED DOWN OUR PROBLEMS TO ONE SPECIFIC ISSUE. UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST PRESSING ONE THAT'S PRESENTED PRESENTING THE CITY RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE US TO. ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ELSE? I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. I KIND OF EXPLAIN MORE HOW OUR CONVERSATIONS WENT. I WILL SAY THIS DOES GO UP. I MENTIONED TO A FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE DIVISION CHIEF OF THE PUBLIC FINANCE DIVISION. SHE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT SHE WAS ASKED BY HER SUPERIORS HOW THIS SITUATION LIKE THIS HAD BEEN DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, IF THEY'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, HOW THE AG HAS RESPONDED TO IT. SHE'S BEEN AT THE PUBLIC FINANCE DIVISION PROBABLY 25 YEARS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHE USED TO WORK WITH WERE THERE FOR 20 TO 25 YEARS BEFORE THEN, AND SHE WAS RELYING ON HER DECADES OF EXPERIENCE. AND THE ANSWERS SHE HAD TO GIVE HER SUPERIORS WAS SHE'S NEVER SEEN ANYTHING OR HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. SO IT IS AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE. UNUSUAL SITUATION. CASE OF FIRST IMPRESSION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO THAT'S ONE REASON THIS IS TAKING SO MUCH TIME. IT'S ONE REASON THAT THEY'RE BEING SO DELIBERATE WITH IT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY TO DRAW FROM TO REALLY DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER TONIGHT, ABOUT YESTERDAY, I SUPPOSE, ABOUT HOW THIS IS AN ANOMALY. IT'S A SITUATION DEALING WITH IT JUST SHOULDN'T COME UP AND PROBABLY WON'T COME UP FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT IS UNIQUE, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT AND IT DOES CREATE SOME CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVEN'T DEALT WITH IT BEFORE. BUT THEY'VE SHOWN EXTREME WILLINGNESS TO TRY AND HELP YOU SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD AND I'M CONFIDENT THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO DO SO. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS JUST YET. SO, SO FAR FROM THE TIME THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE YOU DIRECTION TO HIT, GO, LIKE GO GET GO SEE IF WE CAN SELL SELL SOME BONDS. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE IN WEEKS WISE FOR YOU TO GO DO THAT AND GET AN ANSWER FROM THE TIME? WAS IT IN FEBRUARY? I THINK WHEN I WAS HERE LAST OR MAYBE IN EARLY MARCH, WE FINALLY GOT THE ANSWER. I GOT PRELIMINARY ANSWERS LAST FRIDAY. IT WAS I'M SORRY, FRIDAY, A WEEK AGO, LAST FRIDAY, WHEN I FINALLY GOT THE FINAL CONFIRMATION THAT SHE TALKED TO HER SUPERIORS AND GOT GOT THAT. SO I HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE DATE WAS IN FEBRUARY WHEN I WAS HERE. EIGHT WEEKS, PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WILL SAY IT OFTENTIMES IT COULD BE SHORTER THAN THAT. BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S PUBLIC FINANCE DIVISION EXTREMELY SHORT STAFF. NOW, THEY'VE LOST SEVERAL ATTORNEYS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. AND DURING THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY, THEIR ATTENTION WAS GIVEN TOWARDS APPROVING DEBT ISSUANCES. AND SO ANY QUESTIONS LIKE THIS THAT COME UP, THEY CERTAINLY PUT THEM IN A LINE. WE HAD TO WAIT OUR TURN. SO 6 TO 8 WEEKS IS WHAT IT TOOK THIS TIME. IF THEY HAD A NORMAL STAFF AND NORMAL WORKLOAD, I'D SAY WE CAN GET ANSWERED IN THREE OR [06:00:06] FOUR WEEKS. WE'RE JUST NOT DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. SO 6 TO 8 WEEKS IS PROBABLY REALISTIC. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT SOME STAFF HAD JUST ROLLED OFF LIKE IT WAS LIKE TWO OF THEM, HOW LONG IT WAS THREE OF THEIR ATTORNEYS THAT LEFT LESS THAN A MONTH AGO, I BELIEVE. AND THEY LOST A COUPLE OF OTHERS LAST LAST FALL. I FORGET THE EXACT DATE, BUT THEY HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ATTORNEYS THAT ARE TOTAL AND WITH FIVE OF THEM BEING BRAND NEW AND THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FILL SOME OF THE POSITIONS THEY HAVE LESS THAN A FULL STAFF RIGHT NOW OF ATTORNEYS. THEY'RE VERY SHORT STAFFED AND STRETCHED VERY THIN. SO IT TOOK ME OF THOSE 6 TO 8 WEEKS, PROBABLY. FOUR OF THEM WERE JUST TRYING TO GET ON THEIR CALENDAR. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE GATE BEFORE THAT SIX, EIGHT WEEKS WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO WAIT FOR THE BOND AUDIT TO COME BACK. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE YOU HAD ACTUAL EVIDENCE TO TO PRESENT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. YES. I HAD MY FIRST CONVERSATION WITH HIM LAST SUMMER. I CAN REMEMBER IS JULY OR AUGUST. BUT IT WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO WHEN WE REALIZED SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE HAPPENING. PROBABLY BY THE TIME YOU GOT THE INFORMATION, WE'RE CONSIDERING HIRING THE AUDITING FIRM TO COME IN AND WE'RE WORKING ON DISCLOSURE. I KNOW, RELATED TO THE LITIGATION WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BONDS. SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE COMING OUT A WENT AHEAD AND GAVE THEM SOME NOTICE. WE WERE WORKING ON THAT. THESE ARE THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO THEY'VE KNOWN FOR SOME TIME THAT THESE ISSUES WERE OUT THERE, BUT I HAD TO HAVE THAT REPORT FROM THE AUDIT TO ACTUALLY SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE HERE'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE DISCOVERED. IT VALIDATES EVERYTHING THAT WE THOUGHT. THE NUMBERS AREN'T AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN. AND SO HOW CAN WE WORK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER WITHOUT THE AUDIT REPORT THEN? I REALLY WASN'T IN A POSITION TO GET ANY ANSWER FROM THEM BECAUSE WE WERE JUST DEALING WITH THEORETICAL NOTIONS AS OPPOSED TO THOSE HARD FACTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE FROM THE AUDIT. SO IT'S ASKING YOU THIS QUESTIONS EARLIER BECAUSE I MADE A REQUEST ON MARCH 18TH FOR AN AGENDA ITEM FOR AN AUDIT OF OUR MOST RECENT BONDS. AND THEN LEANN HUDDLESTON, OUR INTERIM CFO IN JUNE, WAS THAT WAS WHEN SHE GAVE US THE NOTICE OF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BONDS. AND IT TOOK US. EIGHT, EIGHT MONTHS TO DO A BOND AUDIT. EXCUSE ME? SIX MONTHS TO DO A BOND AUDIT AND THEN GET THE REPORT BACK AND THEN ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT WITH YOU. SO I'M JUST LIKE, THAT'S SIX MONTHS OF TIME WITH THE PEOPLE IN LIVE OAK, THE RESIDENTS ASKING ABOUT OUR ROADS OF US, JUST KIND OF TWIRLING OUR THUMBS AND NOT DOING ANY ACTION FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT GETTING IT ON AN AGENDA. SO JUST KNOWING THAT THEY LOST THREE ATTORNEYS JUST A MONTH AGO, WE COULD HAVE EVEN HAD THAT INFORMATION FASTER IF IT HAD BEEN DONE IN THE FALL. SO I'M JUST IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SURE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN'T SURE. AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT EXACT TIMING OF THAT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION TOGETHER SO THE AUDITORS COULD WORK ON IT. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SHORTENED. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME STAFF TURNOVER HERE AS WELL, BUT I DON'T DOUBT YOUR TIMING. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LOT THAT WENT INTO IT. THANK YOU. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG THE AUDIT TOOK, BUT IT WASN'T IT WASN'T A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THAT. I GAVE IT ABOUT TWO MONTHS, IS WHAT? YEAH. IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. SO YOU USED TO WORK IN AG'S OFFICE. THEY'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION AND TURN IT OVER TO THEIR PUBLIC CORRUPTION UNIT? OR HOW DO YOU. HOW DO YOU MESS UP A BOND SO BAD THAT NO ONE'S EVER SEEN SOMETHING QUITE LIKE IT AND WE STILL CAN'T SELL? BRODY BONDS. IS THERE SOMEONE WE NEED TO BE TURNING THIS OVER TO? TO WHERE THEY. THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ROLE ON THIS SORT OF THING. ONCE THE BONDS ARE ISSUED, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEIR THEIR REVIEW STOPS. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS YOU STILL HAVE AUTHORIZATION REMAINING FROM THE VOTER PROPOSITION THAT HAS SOME PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW HAS PROBLEMS. AND THERE WERE SOME CERTIFICATIONS GIVEN BY THE CITY TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT WE KNOW WERE INACCURATE OR KNOW NOW OR WERE WERE NOT NOT RESPECTED. IT'S PART OF THE WAY TO PUT IT. AT THE TIME THEY WERE GIVEN, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ACCURATE. PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT JUST DIDN'T. SO BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA AUTHORIZATION WE HAVE, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS SET UP TO ENFORCE ANY OF THIS IS BY PUTTING THE BRAKES ON FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCES. THEY'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO LOOK BACK WHETHER THAT'S A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A TAXPAYER COULD BRING SUIT. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE, BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE STOPS KIND OF AT THE CLOSING, UNLESS THEY HAVE A SITUATION LIKE LIKE THIS WHERE THERE'S STILL REMAINING AUTHORIZATION FROM A VOTER PROPOSITION THAT THEY COULD WANT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION IN PLACE TO ENSURE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT WHEN WE GOT THE THE AUDIT BACK, DIDN'T WE INSTRUCTOR OR ATTORNEYS TO TAKE WHATEVER NECESSARY LEGAL ACTION AS A RESULT OF THAT? [06:05:01] YES. I CAN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MANY TIMES I'VE DONE THAT. YEAH. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE DID AN AUDIT, WE TURNED IT OVER TO OUR ATTORNEYS TO TURN IT OVER TO WHOEVER THEY NEEDED TO. SO WHERE DO YOU DID THAT? SURE. I DO REMEMBER THAT BEING PART OF A MOTION, I THINK IT WAS IN FEBRUARY, AROUND THE TIME OF THAT AUDIT BEING PRESENTED, WHO THOSE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES ARE. I MEAN, I CAN GET WITH CHRIS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT AGAIN, A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR IT COULD BE A CITIZEN TAXPAYER BROUGHT SUIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AT LEAST MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ENFORCEMENT ARM ONCE BONDS ARE ISSUED TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPES OF THINGS. TONIGHT. YOU NEED US. IT'S THE PROMOTION, RIGHT? WE CAN'T SELL ROBOTS NOW IF WE WANTED TO. FROM THAT VOTER PROPOSITION. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. BUT IF WE WANTED TO. IF WE WANTED TO. HAVE YOU KEEP ENGAGING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIGURE THIS OUT, YOU NEED ACTION FROM US. OR CAN YOU JUST DO THAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN CONTINUE TO DO. AND YOU'VE ALREADY GIVE ME DIRECTION TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND CERTAINLY INCOMPLETE. I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, WE'VE RECEIVED IN CONFIRMATION AND GOTTEN SOME GOOD ANSWERS, BUT THERE STILL IS ONE PIECE THAT HAS NOT ANSWERED YET. SO I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DIRECTED ME TO DO IN THE PAST, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AND WORKING WITH THEM TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP. I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME PLAN IN PLACE ABOUT WHAT YOUR NEXT DEBT ISSUANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE SO I CAN TAKE TO THEM INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH A HYPOTHETICAL AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO AND WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME. SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND CITY STAFF TO COME UP WITH THAT SCHEDULE AND WE CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT YOUR PROJECTS MAY LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE NEXT THING I WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE BACK TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO AND WE NEED TO GET STARTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET THEM THERE. AND I WILL SAY THE ANSWER AT THE END OF DAY COULD END UP BEING THAT YOU HAVE TO UNRAVEL THAT LAND ACQUISITION BEFORE YOU CAN ACCESS THAT PROPOSITION MONEY ANY FURTHER. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS NOT GIVEN ME THAT AS A AS A IS WHERE THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LAND. BUT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY MAY WANT YOU TO UNRAVEL THAT LAND PURCHASE, GET THAT MONEY BACK AND SPEND IT APPROPRIATELY BEFORE THEY WANT YOU TO ACCESS THE REST OF THAT PROPOSITION, BECAUSE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT THING THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED, AND THAT COULD BE THE ANSWER AT THE END OF THE DAY TO ME, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. BUT AGAIN, THE TIMING MAY BE IN YOUR FAVOR AT SOME POINT, AND IF THAT GETS DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY, THEN THIS WOULD PROBABLY GO AWAY. BUT THAT'S WORST CASE. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD PRESENT TO WORK THROUGH WITH AG. THERE ARE. THEY'D HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THEM AND THEY CAN SAY NO, THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. BUT YES, THERE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER. ANYTHING ELSE FOR 14 TO. ISAAC. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING OUT OF US. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU STAYING THIS LATE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THIS SO THAT WHOEVER WATCHES THIS IN THE COMING DAYS WILL HAVE THIS TO REFERENCE AS FAR AS WHAT OUR SITUATION IS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I WAS TELLING YOU, WE KEEP LEAVING THESE MEETINGS AND IT KEEPS BEING. SO SOMEHOW NOT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WE CANNOT GO OUT. THE REASON WE'RE NOT DOING ROAD PROJECTS RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE BONDING CAPACITY DUE TO BEING HELD UP. AND SOMEHOW THE MESSAGE LEAVES HERE, LIKE I HEAR IT IN THE EXECUTIVE, WE TALK HERE AND WE GET OUT ON THE STREET AND IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MESSAGE. AND SO. I APPRECIATE YOU STAYING LATE. I SECOND THAT BECAUSE EVENTUALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT TIL YOU COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT SOONER THAN LATER. BUT AGAIN, I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET A QUICK ANSWER. BUT THIS THIS MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. I THINK WE OWE YOU AN EARLY AGENDA ITEM IN A FUTURE MEETING. I'LL TAKE IT. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD TRIP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE 14 THREE CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION. RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 AND DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 501.087 TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO BUSINESS PROSPECTS, INCLUDING DELIBERATIONS REGARDING THE PURCHASE, SALE, EXCHANGE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5.1072. SPIKE LEE, YOU'RE GETTING BACK TO US ON AN ITEM. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION ON THAT. RIGHT. SO MAYBE A SPECIAL MEETING. LAST WE HAVE OUT OF 14 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5510711 RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS IN THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION. [06:10:01] SO EVERYTHING THERE. I'LL TRY IT IF I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE. SO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE IMPROVEMENTS OF PHASE FIVE CONTINGENT UPON THE REPAIR OF SECTIONS ONE AND TWO FOR THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION. AND POSSIBLY THREE AND POSSIBLY THREE IF THERE'S ISSUES OF THREE OR CASH PAYMENT OF. WAS IT 3.6 MILLION PLUS 20%? I THINK WE WERE JUST SO RIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN JUST ASK. YEAH. CONDITIONALLY ACCEPT SECTION FIVE. IF ONE AND TWO ARE REPAIRED AS WELL AS SECTION THREE, IF THERE'S ANY DEFECTS. BUT ALSO AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE RESOLUTION DRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDING FOR THE CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE AND REPAIR, AND ALSO AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE DEMAND ON THE DEVELOPER BROOKLYN PARTNERS LTD, CORNERSTONE SITE SERVICES, LLC, AND THE SURETY AS PROVIDED IN THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND. YEAH. THAT THAT SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. IS THAT. WHAT WAS THAT? THAT. THAT INCLUDE THE 20% WE TALK. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GAVE AN EXECUTIVE LESSON BY CUSTOMER GORDON. SECTOR BY CUSTOMER VILLARREAL SALVO. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL SAY AS TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE BROOKLYN SUBDIVISION, WE WERE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET YOUR ROADS FIXED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT TEAR YOUR CAR UP ON A BRAND NEW ROAD THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT, LET'S CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER HOLLAND I MAYOR PRO TEM I COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON I MAYOR SNYDER I COUNCIL MEMBER. VILLARREAL SALVO. HI COUNCIL MEMBER. SUTTON I. THIS IS SEVEN ZERO. NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. WITHDREW THIS MEETING AT 2:35 A.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.