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SEND IT TO MIKE.[Planning and Zoning]
WE WON'T GO TO, UH, I WILL CALL THIS SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, TUESDAY, MAY 3RD, 2022 TO ORDER IT 7:00 PM.AND WE'LL START OFF WITH ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER CLARK PRESENT COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE.
COMMISSIONER LEE HERE, COMMISSIONER SHORT FAGER HERE.
COMMISSIONER BOYER, PRESENT COMMISSIONER, LAWYER, AND MYSELF COMMISSIONER HUDSON, ALL PRESENT.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE TIMER OR NO.
ALL RIGHT, SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ THIS SINCE WE DO HAVE A FEW MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE, WHICH IS THE NEW, UH, COMMENTS ON ANY SUBJECT, WHETHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE MUST BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL.
ACCORDINGLY CONCERNS, COMPLAINTS, AND ASSERTIONS OF CHARACTER REGARDING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING ANY CITIZENS, STAFF MEMBERS, CITY, BOARD, OR COMMISSION MEMBER OR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL NOT BE RAISED IN PUBLIC FORUM, BUT SHOULD IT BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY AND PRIVATELY WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES THESE RULES WILL HAVE THEIR SPEAKING TIME ENDED IMMEDIATELY.
ANY PERSON, INCLUDING PERSONS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ACTS IN AN INAPPROPRIATE AND DISRUPTIVE MANNER MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS WITH THAT SAID, ANYONE WHO SIGNS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SO, AND BETTY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THEY COULD SPELL OUT A PART OVER HERE.
IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK NO ONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU HAVE ONE, BUT THAT'S ON A SPECIFIC ITEM.
UH, ALSO BE AWARE THAT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CAN NOT BE RESPONDED TO FROM THE DIOCESE WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEMS, ITEM 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING.
MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON MARCH 1ST, 2022.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CORRECTIONS, OR CONCERNS? THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 1ST, 2022 AS PRESENTED SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THEN I WILL CALL THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF THEM ITEMS FOUR, TWO AND 43 HAVE BEEN TABLED ITEM FOUR, FOUR, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING ORDINANCE REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE KNOWN AS VILLAGE AT HOW-TO STATION PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, 30.59, FIVE ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF CR 1 38.
THE LAND USE PROPOSAL IS ATTACHED AND DETACHED MULTIFAMILY USES GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS A REQUEST.
AS YOU MENTIONED, 31 ACRE PARCEL IT'S SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED SOUTHEAST LOOP OFF OF COUNTY ROAD, 1 38.
IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ONE.
IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN 2019 AS PART OF THE 119 ACRE RIVERWALK SOUTH ANNEXATION.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AS PART OF THE SOUNDSCAPE SUBDIVISION.
HOWEVER, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP RIGHT AWAY DIVIDED THE TRACT INTO THE TWO PARCELS THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP.
AND SO THE PART WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SMALL TRIANGLE TRIANGLE.
ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THEY ARE SEEKING A REZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY.
IT IS TO PROVIDE UP TO 300 ATTACHED AND DETACHED UNITS.
THESE WOULD BE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM CONFIGURATIONS, THE TWO BEDROOM AND THE THREE BEDROOM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE DETACHED INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
AND THE ONE BEDROOM HOMES WOULD BE DUPLEX STYLE.
THEY HAVE A SHARED COMMUNITY SPACE, A LEASING OFFICE ONSITE IT'S GATED IT VERY MUCH FUNCTIONS AS A MULTI, A TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY STYLE UNITS.
UH, THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
IT IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT MEET OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS MAY BE MADE.
ALL OF THE HOMES ARE SINGLE STORY, AND THEY WILL INCLUDE A PRIVATE OUTDOOR PATIO
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AND BACKYARD.SO THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN AND TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS.
THE ONE BEDROOM, THE TWO BEDROOM AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
THERE ARE, UM, GARAGES AND STORAGE ALSO PROPOSED THIS.
THERE ARE SOME IMAGES IN YOUR PACKET.
THESE ARE SOME TYPICAL IMAGES OF HOW THE STRUCTURES WILL LOOK.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE ATTACHED.
SO THE DUPLEX STYLE UNIT DETACHED, UM, THEY DID PROPOSE AMENITIES AND THE ORIGINAL PUB, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKET DID, THERE WAS ONLY ONE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS TO NAIL DOWN THE AMENITIES.
THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF AND CONFIRMED THE AMENITIES ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE YOU THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE THOSE.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH.
THOSE AMENITIES CHOICES, A COMMUNITY POOL AND SPA, BARBECUE AREAS, DOG PARK, OPEN AREAS, A COMMUNITY CENTER, FITNESS CARWASH, CAR CHARGING STATIONS, PET WASH, AREA, TRASH COMPACTORS, AND THEN THEY WILL ALL AGAIN HAVE INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES AND PRIVATE FENCED YARDS.
SO THESE, THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO FUTURE LAND USE MAP THROUGH THIS AREA, IDENTIFIES THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL AND MID DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USE THE PROPOSED USE OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE AREA.
WE DID NOTIFY 13 PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES CONCERNING THE REZONING.
UM, THERE'S I WON'T READ ALL THIS, BUT THE PUD CRITERIA STIPULATES, WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN REQUESTING THESE REQUESTS, THIS APPLICATION DOES OUR MEET ART DOES MEET OUR POTTERY CRITERIA AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, THE CONDITION OF THESE AMENITIES THAT THEY HAVE AGREED TO WITH THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU AS WELL.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB SUMMARIZING THAT I ALMOST DON'T NEED TO BE HERE.
WHICH ONE ADVANCES, THERE WE GO.
UM, SO I'M BRIAN FRIEL WITH THE EMPIRE GROUP, UH, LOCATED AT SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA.
UM, AND AS YOU, AS YOU INTRO, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE VILLAGE COMMUNITY CONCEPT AND BRINGING THAT TO THE CITY OF HUDDLE.
WE HAVE COMPLETED TWO OF THESE COMMUNITIES IN THE ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA AREA.
WE HAVE SIX OTHERS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND LEASE UP RIGHT NOW, UM, AND 25 ADDITIONAL COMMUNITIES IN BOTH INSIDE ARIZONA AND OUTSIDE THAT WE HAVE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF ENTITLEMENTS.
UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN MSPS THAT WE THINK ARE A GOOD FIT FOR THAT PRODUCT.
IN ADDITION TO PHOENIX, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE AUSTIN AREA AND IN PARTICULAR, THE CITY OF HUDDLE, WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD, A GOOD FIT, AND THIS SITE WAS A GOOD FIT.
UM, AS A, THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL, JUST TO ORIENT YOU TO THE SITE AS, UM, AUTUMN, VERY COGENTLY, UH, DESCRIBED THERE'S A, THE SITE IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST LOOP.
UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, JUST ELABORATE ON WHAT, WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID.
UM, THESE ARE, THIS IS A, UH, A HYBRID HOUSING CONCEPT.
IT'S A HYBRID BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY EXPERIENCE AND A MULTIFAMILY EXPERIENCE.
UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH HOW TO ALREADY THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT DISSIMILAR TO THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY, UH, UH, TAKEN A LOOK AT, UM, AS, AS DISCUSSED THERE, SINGLE STORY, DETACHED COTTAGE STYLE HOMES IN A HIGHLY AMENITIZED GATED COMMUNITY, UM, THE AMENITIES AS DISCUSSED AND AS WE'VE CLARIFIED, THESE, THOSE AMENITIES LISTED THOSE 100% WILL BE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE WHAT WE'VE PUT IN ALL OF THEM.
THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, BUT ALL OF THOSE LISTED WILL IN FACT BE, BE A PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE, A FITNESS CENTER, A RESORT STYLE POOL, AND SPA.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ELECTRIC CAR CHARGING STATIONS, CARWASH STATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS, UH, SOME OF THE AMENITIES, UM, THAT WERE LISTED THERE, YOU KNOW, BARBECUE GRILLS, GAS, FIRE PITS.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN AREAS.
THAT'LL HAVE THINGS LIKE BOCCE BALL COURTS, UH, BAG TOSS, GENERAL OPEN, OPEN GREEN SPACE FOR A SEATING GATHERING, ET CETERA.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, WE'RE WE HAVE A VERY DOG FRIENDLY, UH, COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE, UH, OUR, OUR CURRENT, UH, COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE OVER 50% DOG OWNERS.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A VERY POPULAR, UH, SUBSET OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WE HAVE A DEDICATED DOG PARK AND DOG GROOMING STATION THAT GETS A LOT OF USE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, ALL THE, ALL THE UNITS HAVE INDIVIDUAL BACKYARDS,
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UH, FENCED IN BACKYARDS AND DOGGY DOORS, THAT'S SORT OF MORE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY EXPERIENCE.UM, AND THEN MORE OF THE MULTIFAMILY EXPERIENCES, THE FACT THAT THESE ARE FULLY MAINTENANCE FREE, WE HAVE ONSITE MAINTENANCE, UM, AND ONSITE LEASING.
AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF NOT ONLY LANDSCAPE OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SPACES, UM, AND MAINTENANCE OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, UH, COMMUNITY BUILDINGS, UH, ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, PRIVATE BUILDINGS INSIDE AND OUT AS WELL.
UM, SO A LOT OF THIS JUST ENDS UP BEING MORE OF A LIFESTYLE CHOICE THAT OUR RESIDENTS CHOOSE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THEM WILL HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS.
UM, A LOT OF THEM COULD BUY A HOME, BUT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THIS BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST WHO OUR RESIDENTS ARE.
UM, A LOT OF SINGLE PROFESSIONALS, UH, YOU KNOW, DUAL INCOME COUPLES, YOUNGER FAMILIES.
WE GENERALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF KIDS.
UM, SIZE OF THE UNIT IS SOMEWHAT DICTATE DICTATES THAT, BUT, UM, ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, WE'LL HAVE, UH, LIKE I SAID, EMPTY NESTERS, UH, SOME SENIORS PRE SENIORS, UM, AS MENTIONED A LOT OF PET OWNERS AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE A LITTLE MORE MATURE RUNNER BASE, GENERALLY AVERAGE, OVER 35 YEARS OF AGE.
UM, A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE HIGHER INCOME AVERAGE OVER OVER 70,000 AS A, AS A, AS A HOUSEHOLD.
UM, AND, AND A LITTLE MORE STABLE RUNNER BASE.
OUR AVERAGE IS OVER 28 MONTHS ON OUR CURRENT RENTERS.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL RE UP MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
UM, THE, THE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, THE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM AS MENTIONED THE TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS ARE FREESTANDING, UH, DETACHED STYLE HOMES.
THE, UH, ONE BEDROOMS ARE DUPLEXES.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RENTS, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE OF A PREMIUM RENT PRODUCT.
WE GENERALLY GET 20% OR, OR MORE THAN A TYPICAL CLASS, A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SO AGAIN, MORE TO THIS LIFE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE HERE, THEY'RE PAYING A PREMIUM BECAUSE OF THE, THE VALUE IT OFFERS.
I'LL JUST KIND OF BREEZE THROUGH THESE.
UM, SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER, ONE OF THE ONES IN PHOENIX THAT WE COMPLETED.
AND THEN JUST A FEW PICTURES OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE AMENITIES, THE FIRE PIT, UH, BARBECUE GRILL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POOL AND THEN THE FITNESS CENTER.
THIS IS JUST SORT OF A REITERATION OF THE, UH, THE AMENITIES.
UH, ONE THING ON THE TRASH COMPACTOR THAT THAT'S ON INSIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO OFFER ALSO IS A, IS VALET TRASH PICKUP.
SO THE TRASH COMPACTOR IS THERE, BUT THE RESIDENTS, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ACCESS IT.
THEY DON'T USE IT AS A PART OF OUR, UH, SERVICE.
UM, WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT COMES BY AND PICKS IT UP ON A REGULAR BASIS AND DISPOSES OF ALL THE TRASH.
AND I THINK I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CRYSTAL HARRIS.
WHO'S TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I'M CRYSTAL HARRIS WITH BGE, AND I WILL BE CONTINUING THE REST OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR, OUR PROJECT.
UM, THINK WE PRETTY MUCH COVERED EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GENERAL SITE PLAN.
UM, ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT IS THAT, OH, SOUTHEAST LOOP, THERE'S GOING TO BE A 10 USE 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH THAT WILL BE PROPOSED AS PART OF THAT STREET CROSS SECTION THAT WE'LL BE TYING INTO, UM, THAT RIGHT AWAY HAS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
THERE IS A COUNTY ROAD, 1 38 THAT HAS A PROPOSED EXTENSION THAT RIGHT AWAY HAS ALSO ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED.
AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT IS AN EXPANSION OF COUNTY ROAD, 1 38, THAT WE WILL BE DEDICATING AND ALSO CONNECTING TO PROPOSE SIDEWALKS THERE.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WE'VE HAD COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY ON THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR DECELERATION LANE OFF OF SOUTHEAST LOOP INTO THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE WILL CONTINUE THAT COORDINATION WITH THEM ON THAT OR LANDSCAPING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A MINIMUM OF 20% LANDSCAPED GREEN SPACE PROVIDED.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL OFFER TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY NINE, THREE INCH CALIBER TREES THROUGH TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY NINE, TWO INCH CALIBER TREES, AND THEN OVER 3,303 GALLON SHRUBS.
SO, UM, AS YOU SAW IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, ALL OF THE LOCATIONS OF THE TREES AND SHRUBS ARE CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE, BUT WE'LL BE NAILED DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THERE WILL BE FENCING PROVIDED ONSITE, BOTH PRIVACY FOR THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTS BACKYARDS, AND THEN ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, UM, OVERALL SITE DESIGN, ADDRESSING THE, UM, THERE'LL BE SEPARATE NUMBERS PROVIDED FOR EACH OF THE UNITS FOR ADDRESSING, UM, IT WILL BE A GATED COMMUNITY.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, PARKING WILL EITHER MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES.
AND OVER A HUNDRED OF THOSE SPACES WILL BE GARAGE WITH STORAGE.
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ABOUT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL BRING THOSE UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THIS DOS CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:16 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT.
AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:16 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS, DISCUSSION THIS.
UM, MY FIRST ONE IS I KNOW THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS NOT THERE TODAY, BUT MY, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS WAS I WOULD REALLY WANT THE LEASING OFFICE TO BE OFF OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
AND THAT YOUR SECONDARY EXCESS IS OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
UM, BECAUSE IF I LOOK AT THIS AS A LONG-TERM PLAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BACK DOOR.
AND SO YOU SHOULDN'T PLAN THE DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE CURRENT ONE ROAD VERSUS THE OTHER, UM, BECAUSE AS YOU HAVE THIS WHOLE THING BUILT OUT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, I MEAN, IT'S BEING BUILT.
UM, SO I THINK THE MORE FORWARD-LOOKING WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS AS SWITCHING THAT I DO THINK THIS IS A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT WE NEED IN HOW-TO IT'S IT'S, UM, AND IT'S ON A GOOD SPOT AND IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T CHANGE THE AESTHETIC BECAUSE IT'S STAYING ONE, ONE, UM, ONE STORY HOMES THAT DON'T LOOK JUST LIKE A MULTI-FAMILY AND IT PROVIDES THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN APARTMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY AND WITH THE SOUTHEAST LOOP DISSECTING THAT SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE, I THINK, ON THAT, BUT THAT'S MY ONE BIG CONCERN THAT I HAD, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, WHEN SOUTH GATE ORIGINALLY CAME TO COUNCIL, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A EXIT ON THE 1 38.
SO THEN I NOTICED THAT ALL THIS IS KIND OF CUTTING RIGHT THROUGH WHERE THAT EXIT IS GOING TO BE OFF OF 1 38.
SO IS SOUTH GATE GONNA LOSE THAT ACCESS POINT UNTIL THE SOUTH LOOP HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY BUILT? UM, DO YOU WANT TO ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS AND THEN I COULD ANSWER, AND THEN MY OTHER ONE IS, SO YOU'LL ASK ABOUT THE TRIP.
WELL, THIS ONE MIGHT BE FOR THEM.
UM, SO YOU SAID YOU'RE WORKING ON A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE, WITH, UM, THE COUNTY.
SO TRAVIS COUNTY IS CURRENTLY BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THAT SAME STREET, 1 38.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING, ARE Y'ALL WORKING WITH TRAVIS COUNTY ALSO SINCE YOU'RE ON THAT LINE OR IS IT JUST WILLIAMSON COUNTY TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON? SORRY, THAT YOU'RE FINE.
UM, SO YOU WERE PRIMARILY WORKING WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY ON JUST ANY PROPOSED DECELERATION LANE IN PARTICULAR.
UM, BUT WE CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO TRAVIS COUNTY TO COORDINATE WITH THEM.
THERE'S THERE'S TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES BUILT THROUGH TRAVIS COUNTY ON THAT ROAD ONCE OFFICIALLY OPEN.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ANY DAY NOW.
I PREFER THESE OVER REGULAR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
I JUST AM TRAFFIC-WISE RIGHT NOW UNTIL THAT ROAD'S BUILT, MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL WILLIAMSON RIGHT THERE.
WHAT, I THINK IT'S ONE ENCOUNTER WHO HAS JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY OVER 1 38.
THAT'S WHAT THE T I'D GO THROUGH.
UM, THE ETJ HAS A COUPLE FOR TRAVIS ON OURS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 1 38, BUT THE MAJORITY OF 1 38 IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY, BUT YEAH.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND, AND, AND I NOTE ON THE TRAFFIC PART THAT YOU SAID, I, I KNOW IN THEIR PRESENTATION, THEY MENTIONED THAT 2023 WAS WHEN A PORTION OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WILL OPEN.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S STILL ACCURATE.
AT LEAST AT LEAST THE ONE INITIAL PHASE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT'S, THAT'S TWO DIRECTIONAL.
SO IN REALITY, YOU WILL ALREADY HAVE THAT NEW ROAD THAT SHOULD HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC AND SHOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE, THE NORTHERN SECTION.
UM, I'VE HEARD THAT THE TIMELINE'S KIND OF BEEN PUSHED BACK.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ON MORE THINGS BEING BUILT ON 1 38 RIGHT NOW, BUT ALL OF THAT, IT WAS THE SAME WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HESITANT WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
DOES ANYBODY FROM THE CITY, DO YOU GUYS KNOW IF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP TIMELINE HAS SLIPPED OR WHEN THAT SECTION MIGHT BE OPEN? I DO NOT HAVE THAT TIMING, PAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT ONE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT
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PORTION.CAUSE I'M ASSUMING FOR YOUR GUYS' DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, YOU IT'LL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE YOU'D BE ABLE TO EVEN OPEN THE FIRST RESIDENCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
JUST THE RUNWAY ON THE, ON THE UNITS.
I MEAN, YEAH, PROBABLY MORE LIKE 18 MONTHS, I'D SAY TO, UM, TO PROBABLY FIRST A TRAUNCH OF LEASING AND W W WE'LL GENERALLY BUILD AND LEASE OUT, UM, UH, MAYBE ABOUT HALF OF IT AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE BACK HALF IS BEING BUILT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR RUNWAY MIGHT COINCIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT THAT ROAD IS, BUT OUR, THE RUNWAY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT STARTING PROBABLY WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE LIKELY COINCIDE GIVEN THE LEAD TIME WE NEED.
SO KIND OF DOVETAILING ONTO THAT.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR CONCEPT I'LL SAY OF WHAT IS THE BACKSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY? IS IT, IS THE FRONT SIDE ON 1 38 OR IS THE FRONT SIDE ON, ON THE FRONT OF THE, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT, COMMISSIONER CLARK.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
I MEAN, LIKE W WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE OUT THERE, I'M OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 38 AND YOU KNOW, THAT THE LOOPS NOT THERE.
SO I THINK OUR INITIAL, UH, MINDSET WAS TO, TO DESIGN THE FRONT OF IT ON 1 38, BUT YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT AND IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO SHIFT THAT, UM, TO FLIP THAT OVER.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT, YEAH, THAT IS GOING TO BE FAR MORE SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC ON THAT SIDE.
AND, AND THAT WOULD MORE APPROPRIATELY BE THE FRONT.
AND, UM, THE ONLY REASON WE ORIENTED TO THAT ROAD THAT ORIENTS, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT THROUGH, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT A WATER LINES RUNNING UNDER THAT.
SO IT WORKS KIND OF PERFECTLY.
WE COULD JUST SORT OF FLIP-FLOP THAT ORIENTATION.
UM, I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 1 38, THERE ARE, MAY NOT SOUTHEAST LOOP YET.
WHAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION DRIVE.
CAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW, THEY, FOR ALL THESE APARTMENTS, THEY'RE JUST COMING IN ON THAT TORE UP AREA, BUT I'M JUST, SO I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMING IN ON 1 38 FOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OR YES.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS OURS, I WOULD ASSUME 1 38 NOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, W WE HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR SELLER AND WHO'S, YOU KNOW, WAS THE OWNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTH.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING OUR SITE TO CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE WHILE WE'RE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF WORKING TOGETHER, UM, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO MY EXPECTATION IS, YOU KNOW, OUR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WOULD PRIMARILY CONTINUE OFF OF 1 38.
UM, I THINK THAT BRINGS UP A SMALL WORRY FOR ME TO JUST MAKE SURE, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S WAY DOWN THE LINE, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE WEST VERSUS FROM 1 37 TO THE EAST, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE VERY SHORT CURVES THERE.
AND AS I WAS INFORMED EARLIER BY A RESIDENT THERE'S ACCIDENTS ON THOSE CURVES OFTEN, AND WE DON'T WANT TO TRY TO SEND CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE, SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ADDED AS WELL.
CAUSE YOU GOT LIKE THREE 90 DEGREE TURNS.
I THINK FROM A NATURAL I'VE DRIVEN THAT TOO.
AND, UH, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I TH I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO STIPULATE IT AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY MAKE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, EVERYONE AWARE THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IS, IS RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY, UM, NATURE INTO THAT SITE, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE OR LEFT.
I WAS LIKE, NOPE, THAT'S WRONG.
UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ON SOUTHEAST LOOP SINCE WE'RE ON IT.
I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS FOR SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT RIGHT OF WAY FOOTAGE IS ACTUALLY BEEN ALLOWED BETWEEN YOU AND SOUTH GATE RIGHT NOW? IS IT THE FULL 440 FEET FOR THE ULTIMATE OUT? WE WERE TOLD 380.
I HAVE A CONVERSATION THE COUNTY SOMETIME BECAUSE THEY KEEP GIVING DIFFERENT NUMBERS TO EVERYBODY, BUT I MEAN, IT'S STILL CLOSER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
SO I THINK IT'LL STILL BE ADEQUATE.
AND YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT TIMING EARLIER TOO.
AND THEY SAID FOR, UM, THE COMPLETION IT'S EXPECTED TO BE THE BEGINNING OF 2023 FOR OUR PORTION OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
I'M NOT SURE I'M ON 1 38, BUT SO THEY WOULD BE DONE WITH THAT ROAD BEFORE THEY OPENED.
SO DEFINITELY I THINK THEY'RE FLIPPED NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE CONSTRUCTION ISSUES TOO.
SO BACK TO MY QUESTION TO Y'ALL ABOUT THE SOUTH GATE, UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY SEPARATE.
AND SO ONCE THAT ROADWAYS, THEN THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE ANYMORE.
THE SOUTH GATE ENTRANCE, UH, THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT THE DAY, BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT PORTION, SO THEY HAD A SECOND SECONDARY ENTRANCE GOTCHA.
FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, BUT IT SHOULD ALL BE DONE BY THE TIME THAT THIS COMES IN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION COMMENTS.
UM, ONE QUESTION ABOUT, I KNOW YOU HAD FENCING IN THERE, WHICH IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
SO I KNOW THE DIAGRAM YOU HAD IS JUST A PRELIMINARY, IT'S NOT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WITH THE POND OVER THERE ON THE, ON THE KIND OF THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, UM,
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I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN AREA AS WELL.WILL YOUR BORDER FENCE ACTUALLY BE AGAINST THE HOUSING OR WILL IT BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND AREA? W WE WOULD, UH, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO HAVE, THERE WOULD BE FENCING AROUND THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES NOW, LIKE THE FENCING IN THAT AREA WE'RE TARGETING WE'RE.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT, BUT LIKE CONCEPTUALLY, I THINK MAYBE VIEW FENCING, THERE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NICE AMENITY FEATURE AND AN OPEN SPACE THERE.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN AS FAR AS THINKING WHETHER WE'D FENCE IN THAT OPEN SPACE AS WELL, OR LEAVE THAT JUST OPEN.
UM, IF, IF, IF THERE WAS A PREFERENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW YOU WANTED THAT TO LOOK, WE COULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT, BUT HADN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT THESE TO BE TH THE YARDS NEED TO BE GATED FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT FOR THEIR PETS AND OTHER THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL FENCING IS AN OPTION AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
CAUSE I KNOW IT'S, IT'S ALSO SHOWN AS AN OPEN SPACE AND HOPEFULLY IT WON'T JUST BE FLOOD AREA THAT IT'S USABLE OPEN SPACE.
SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO AS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COME AROUND THE AREA, IT COULD BE A NICE OPEN AREA, AS LONG AS IT'S ACCESSIBLE SOMEHOW TO, YEAH.
I MEAN, WE WERE PLANNING ON, AGAIN, LANDSCAPE HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED, BUT THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY A COUPLE ACCESS POINTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE GET TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT, AND THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE INTERCONNECTED PATHWAYS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT EITHER.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL ALL BE IN THERE SO THEY CAN GET TO THEIR UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR WAY AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO PUT SOME SORT OF A PATHWAY THROUGH THAT OR TO THE EXTENT WE CAN MAYBE JUST GET PEOPLE OUT THERE.
SO OUR D OUR IDEA IS DEFINITELY TO HAVE IT BE USABLE AND NOT JUST SOMETHING YOU'LL LOOK AT, UM, SOME OF THAT WILL BE DICTATED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE, WHAT WE FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T FROM BEING OUT THERE.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT A PORTION THAT IS NOT USABLE, IT'S LIKE A WALKING PATH OR SOMETHING.
AND WELL MAINTAINED AND WELL MAINTAIN LIKE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
AND MAYBE SOME BENCHES AROUND IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, AND, AND YEAH.
AND WE'LL HAVE OBVIOUSLY DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLANS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WE'VE DONE AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND IT'S, UH, IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND, UM, IF THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY FEELS WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE SORTA OPEN.
UM, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE FENCE IT IN AND MAKE IT A COMMUNITY AMENITY.
AND EVEN IF IT'S, LIKE YOU SAID, THE VIEWABLE FENCING THAT JUST HAS OPENINGS FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT COMPLETELY PRIVATE ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, THEN I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO USE IT, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AS, AS AN AMENITY FEATURE AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WASTED SPACE OR JUST, YOU KNOW, A NICE AESTHETIC WE'D LIKE TO USE.
AND THEN I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION ON SIDEWALKS.
UM, I KNOW YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, SO THE EAST, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY ROAD 1 38 EXTENSION IS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, PAST POTENTIALLY WHEN THIS IS EVEN BUILT.
SO I'M ASSUMING THERE WON'T BE ANY SIDEWALK BUILT ON THAT EAST PORTION.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE COUNTY ON, ON THE TIMING THERE.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO BUILD A PARALLEL SIDEWALK TO SOMETHING THAT WILL GET BUILT IN THE FUTURE, BUT YEAH.
SO WE'LL COORDINATE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE CONNECTIVITY AROUND THE PERIMETER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE ITEM AS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUEST TO FLIP THE MAIN ENTRANCE, TO BE OFF OF THE FUTURE SOUTH EAST LOOP RIGHT AWAY WITH, UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WON WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE CONDITION OF ADDING THE AMENITIES PROVIDED LISTED BY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND THE SIDEWALKS TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE WITH, UH, UH, WALKABILITY AROUND THE RETENTION POND TO BE DETERMINED AT FINAL PLANNING.
I HAVE A MOTION STAFF NEED TO ASK ANY, SORRY.
UM, WALKABILITY AROUND THE RETENTION PLAN, OUR PLANNING THE BETTER TO DO IT.
SITE PLAN, TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW WE CAN WE DO A SITE PLAN SITE PLAN.
THEN I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ON ITEM 0.4, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
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CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 2 0 1 FM 1660 NORTH TO ALLOW A MEDICAL OFFICE CHIROPRACTOR AND ASSOCIATED PARKING.SO YOU ALL MAY KNOW THIS AS BLESSED THIS NEST.
IT IS AN EXISTING RETAIL BOUTIQUE.
UH, IT IS THAT FOR SALE AND OUR, UM, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS SUP TO PUT HER CHIROPRACTOR PRACTICE IN AS WELL AS CREATE A LIVE WORK UNIT IN THE STRUCTURE OF SUP IS REQUIRED FOR MEDICAL OFFICES IN THE OLD TOWN FOR TRANSITION DISTRICT.
THE OLD TOWN FOR TRANSITION DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR, UM, A MIXTURE OF RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL AND LIVE WORK UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS FOR.
UM, THIS IS JUST A LOOK AT THE ADJACENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, THE SITE THERE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THE TRUE, THE TEAL COLOR IS THE HISTORIC ZONING.
AND THEN THE OT 40 AND THE DARK BLUE SURROUNDS THIS PROPERTY.
JUST AN ARIEL TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE OF WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN THERE'S THE VACANT LOT TO THE WEST.
UM, THERE'S, ON-STREET PARKING ALONG FARLEY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, 16, 60 TO THE EAST.
THEY PROPOSE TO REMODEL THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME TO ALLOW FOR HER OFFICE, UH, ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES OR ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN SITE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING PERMITS WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED.
SO THIS FIRST PORTION IS FOR THE USE, AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UM, REFINE ANYTHING THAT SHE PLANS TO DO INSIDE OR OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
WE SENT NOTICES TO 71 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSES.
AND, UM, TO DATE, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SUP FOR THE MEDICAL OFFICE USE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:32 PM.
AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UH, RIGHT THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:32 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DYESS.
THE ONE I WANTED TO ASK WAS, SORRY, IT SAID SOMEWHERE IN THE VERBIAGE ABOUT AN ADDITION OF A GARAGE, UM, WHERE EXACTLY WILL THAT BE LOCATED IN COMPARISON TO THE PROPERTY? AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE A SITE PLAN SHOWING WHERE THAT WILL BE, UM, THAT WE'VE JUST KIND OF TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT.
UH, THANK AFTER SHE GETS THIS DONE.
SHE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH US SOME ADDITIONAL TO GO THROUGH, UM, THE HBC.
SO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A LOT OF SPACE ON THE SITE, THERE'S AN EXISTING LITTLE STRUCTURE BACK THERE.
MAYBE THAT ONE IS TAKEN DOWN AND THE GARAGE IS AND REPLACE IT THAT, BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT NAILED DOWN YET WITH HER.
I CAN ANSWER IN MORE DETAIL, UH, TO APPEASE YOU.
SO, UM, IT'S BEEN HIGHLY RECOMMENDED TO ME BY MENTORS TO MAKE SURE I CAN GET IN AND OUT OF MY PROPERTY WITHOUT PEOPLE SEEING ME, MY PATIENTS DO KNOW MY CAR AND THEY DO KNOW EVEN WHEN I'M AT HEB, WHICH IS FINE, BUT HOW THOUGH IS GROWING AND I DO NEED TO PROTECT MYSELF.
UM, ALSO THERE'S OLD TOWN DAYS AND THE CRAWFISH AND THEN THE CHRISTMAS.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE PRIVATE PARKING ON MY PROPERTY.
ONCE IT CLOSES WILL BE AN INACCESSIBLE TO ME.
AND I BELIEVE THE BACK AREA IS AN ALLEYWAY WHERE I CAN'T PARK, BUT WE CAN, ANYONE CAN DRIVE ON IT.
SO WHERE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS AT RIGHT NOW, AUTUMN WAS RIGHT.
I WOULD EITHER IMPROVE IT OR REPLACE IT WITH A GARAGE HAVING BACK ENTRANCE SO THAT I COULD HAVE PRIVACY AND ACCESSIBILITY.
UM, AND I THINK THE REASON I ASKED IS I KNOW THE ALLEY RIGHT NOW AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I DON'T THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH, FROM EAST STREET ALL THE WAY TO 1660.
CAUSE I, I BELIEVE IS, UM, TERRY'S PROPERTY, BUT IT DOES BACK UP INTO THE NEW PARKING.
MY DRIVABILITY WOULD STOP AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY LINE AND I UNDERSTAND IT MAY EVEN NEED TO BE IMPROVED ON MY DIME, NOT THE CITIES, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN DOING ANYWAY, JUST BECAUSE IT DOES GET MUDDY BACK THERE, BUT I WOULDN'T DRIVE IT THROUGH THE PARKING.
I CAN'T, MOST OF THE TIME SOMEONE'S PARKED IN THAT SPOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW EXACTLY SO, AND THAT'S NOT MY PURPOSE.
MY PURPOSE IS JUST FOR SAFETY, SECURITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE FUTURE CHILDREN
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NEED SOMETHING AND NOT BE ABLE TO LEAVE TO GO TO THE STORE ON THE, ON THE ONE DAY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MURPHY'S LAW IS.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I GOT A COUPLE CLARIFICATION, NOT QUITE SURE LOOKING THROUGH THE APPLICATION, NOT QUITE SURE WHAT SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO ENTAIL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE ZONING OF THIS, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO GET A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I'M REPLACING OR UPGRADING THE SHED.
IS THAT THE BUILDING? UM, THIS ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT, COULD YOU BACK UP A COUPLE SLIDES? I FEEL LIKE I COULD.
SO YES, LOOKING AT THIS, UM, IF YOU WILL APPEASE ME IF I LIKE TO USE THIS EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A HARRY POTTER WAND AND JUST SIMPLY TOOK THAT BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND STRETCHED IT OUT, THAT WOULD GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO HAVE MY OFFICE AND MY WORK SPACE, THE SHED, YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE IT.
IT WOULD BE JUST LEFT TO HAVE THAT CAR IT'S.
I MEAN, MAYBE I COULD SELL IT, BUT IT'S NOTHING I WOULD EVEN WANT TO IMPROVE AND BE COMFORTABLE PUTTING PATIENTS IN.
I WOULD JUST WANT TO, UM, MIRROR IMAGE AND MIMIC THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TO BEAUTIFY IT AND THEN HAVE A SEPARATE, SAFE AREA FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN, UH, LOWERING THE ORIGINAL CARRIAGE HOUSE.
I'M I'M USED TO CARRIAGE HOUSE BEING A SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO DID YOU SAY LOWERING IT? YEAH.
IT SAID LOWERING THE ORIGINAL CARRIAGE HOUSE TO ALLOW EASIER ACCESS FOR PATIENTS.
BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS.
SO IF, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE SHED IS JUST LEFT OVER THE BUILDING BEHIND THAT IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
AND THAT WAS MY I'VE RECONFIRMED.
I'VE PLAYED ARCHITECT MANY TIMES, SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO DO THAT, BUT AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHED WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE OFFICE.
AND THEN IN TANDEM WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSES IS THE GARAGE AND MY PRIVATE ACCESS.
AND THEN THE FENCING IS JUST GOING TO BE IN THE BACKSIDE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE FRONT SIDE, ALONG FARLEY STREET OR ALONG 1660.
I WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT NOT JUST IN THE BACK, BUT ALONG 16, 60 AND FARLEY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE.
HONESTLY, IT ALLOWS ME MORE YARD SPACE AND WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN DEMAND AND THE PANDEMIC AND THE WARS, I WOULD LIKE A GARDEN.
I UNDERSTOOD AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET CONCEPTS OF THIS.
UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE FENCING ALL THE WAY AROUND FOR THE EVENTS AND STUFF TO KIND OF, ESPECIALLY SINCE PART OF THAT WILL BE PRIVATE PROPERTY TO HAVE YES.
AND I'M SINGLE AND I'M A PUBLIC FIGURE.
AND I DON'T LIKE TO TELL LIES.
SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THAT I'M ALONE.
AND I WOULD LIKE, UM, SOME SERIOUS SECURITY FENCING.
SO MY ONLY QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAY FINANCIAL IMPACT IT'S LEFT ALONE, BUT IT W IT'S GOING FROM A RETAIL SPACE THAT GENERATED SALES TAX REVENUE TO A SERVICE BASED INDUSTRY PRODUCT THAT DOES NOT.
SO THERE IS A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY.
MY QUESTION IS ARM WITH YOUR, WHEN YOU HAVE CLIENTS COME IN AND STUFF, DO YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO, I AT OTHER CHIROPRACTORS, THEY SAID, I'M SELL LIKE, YOU KNOW, PILLOWS OR FREE, OR, YOU KNOW, A ROLLABLE FREEZABLE, YOU KNOW, PRODUCT OR SOME OTHER HERBAL STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY RETAIL PORTION OF YOUR BUSINESS AT THAT LOCATION THAT MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF THAT LOSS OF TAX REVENUE? NO, THERE WILL NOT BE.
I ACTUALLY HANG MY HAT ON THE SIMPLICITY OF MY BUSINESS.
AND IT'S WHAT MY PATIENTS KNOW ME FOR.
I HAVE OVER 1400 FIVE-STAR GOOGLE REVIEWS AND IT'S BECAUSE I'M A STRAIGHT SHOOTER.
I'M EDUCATED IN THEM, BUT I DON'T TURN A PROFIT ON THAT.
I JUST RECOMMEND THAT'S A VALID POINT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT, BUT IF I MAY HAVE A REBUTTAL TO THAT, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT VERY RARE AND BEAUTIFUL WONDERFULLY LOCATED PROPERTY IS FOR SALE IS DUE TO THE INFLATION.
AND THE FACT THAT BUSINESSES ARE LOWERING THEIR, THEIR INCOME, THE ANYTHING THAT IS FROM SELF CARE TO NOT A NECESSITY, IT'S NOT GROCERIES.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY SEE THE CELLS PROFITS FROM THAT RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FENCING.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I STARTED THINKING AFTER YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT BE VERY PRIVATE.
UM, YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON DOING LIKE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE FRONT OF IT.
ARE YOU, IS IT GOING TO BE AN OPEN GATED? LIKE WE'LL GO TO THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE THAT HAS NOT FOR US TO DECIDE, SO
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THAT'S FINE.I'LL REMEMBER MY BOOKS AND GIVE YOU PICTURES.
THAT COMPLETELY, IT'S NOT FOR US TO DO.
WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TODAY.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WILL MOVE THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 2 0 1 FM 1660 NORTH TO ALLOW A MEDICAL OFFICE CHIROPRACTOR AND ASSOCIATED PARKING.
ANY, UH, SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOYER AND A SECOND BY MYSELF, WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO MOVE FOUR POINT 13 UP TO THE NEXT ITEM.
WE'LL WILL ALLOW FOR SOME SHUFFLING OF PAPER HERE.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MOVING FOUR POINT 13 TO THE NEXT ITEM? SO FOUR POINT 13, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HUDDLE CROSSING REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT PHASE FOUR, SECTIONS 15 AND 1630 7.2, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, 118 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LOTS LOCATED OFF OF CARL STERN DRIVE.
SO COMMISSIONER, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, A REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SECTION 15, A FEW MONTHS AGO, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS TO THE EAST OF THAT.
UH, THIS IS PART OF THE HEDO CROSSING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THAT POD.
SO THIS USE IS PERMITTED PER THE ZONING.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS 104 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FOUR RENT UNITS ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, AND THEN 130 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FOR RENT ON SIX COMMON LOTS.
THE ORIGINAL TIA CONSIDERED THIS AREA COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE CHANGE IN USE WAS A DECREASE IN 35%.
SO NO IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS, NOTHING IN ADDITION IS REQUIRED.
WATER AND WASTEWATER IS ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE PROJECT AS WELL, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS AND THE UPSIZING OF THE PROJECT THAT THEY DID.
AND THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS AGAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OF THE PLAN.
THIS IS THE SITE AND I INCLUDED OUR NEWSPAPER MAP.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A UPSIDE DOWN HORSESHOE, UM, BEHIND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON CHRIS KELLY AND THEN ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD.
AND THEN THE SITE THAT WE DEALT WITH A FEW MONTHS AGO, IT'S JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT UNITS AS WELL.
WE DID SEND NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR OF THAT WAS PASSED OUT AT THE DIOCESE.
UH, THE PROPOSED REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAN DOES MEET OUR APPLICABLE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND THE PUD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS AND I THINK THAT THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE NO PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
THEN WITH THAT, SINCE THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:44 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 44 AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I JUST HAD A QUICK STREET QUESTION.
SO ON THE ONE DIAGRAM, UM, IT SHOWS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIAGRAM THAT IS, THERE'S THE DIFFERENT STREETS.
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SILO DRIVE AND STEINER DRIVE TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ARE ACTUALLY ONLY ABOUT 160 FEET APART.AND THEY GOING TO, UM, ALLEVIATE THAT ISSUE IN THE FUTURE TO SPACE OUT THE ENTRANCES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
SO IT'S NOT IN ONE OF THESE, BUT IT'S IN THE PACKET SOMEWHERE, WHICH I REMEMBER THE ACTUAL PAGE.
I KNOW WE'VE SLIPPED TO LIKE THE END OF THE PACKET AND THEN I HAVE TO FIND IT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER? NOPE.
SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION WHILE I'M FINDING IT.
IT'S A SHEET FIVE OF THE CIVIL DRAWINGS AND IT SHOWS BOTH THE SILO DRIVE AND DON'T SEE THE OTHER NAME THAT COMES UP BY DIAMOND HITCH ALL THE WAY UP.
AND IT'S 160 FEET BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTRANCES.
SO PAGE 1 72 OF THE POCKET, I CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT.
AND SO WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SORRY.
SO THE QUESTION IS, I'M JUST LOOKING AT SPACING OF DRIVES BECAUSE, SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE ACCESS ROAD FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO THE EAST OF THIS, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING TWO MORE DRIVEWAYS, BOTH BY DRIVE AND, UM, WHATEVER, WHAT DID I SAY? THE OTHER ONE WAS STEINER DRIVE.
SO WE HAVE THOSE SPACED OUT VERY CLOSELY, 162 FEET BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
AND, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE MEASUREMENT, BUT PRETTY CLOSE TO THE ACCESS DRIVE, MAYBE ABOUT 200 FEET.
UM, HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT IMPACT THAT COULD BE BY HAVING SO MANY ACCESS POINTS SO CLOSELY CLUSTERED TOGETHER? I CAN SAY THAT STAFF HAS NOT ANALYZED THE IMPACT OF THAT DRIVEWAY.
THAT ONE DRIVEWAY IS GOING INTO.
UM, THE ONE TO THE WEST IS GOING INTO THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THERE'LL BE ON THE LITTLE PODS.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN OF HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK AND HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO FUNCTION, BUT NO, THAT DID NOT COME UP IN THE REVIEW.
AND I KNOW THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT, SO THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A FINAL PLAT AT SOME POINT THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
AND TYPICALLY THEY'LL COME BACK WITH A SPECIFIC SET OF LOTS THAT ARE FINAL PLANTED.
HERE'S THE DRIVEWAY DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IS FOR 35 FEET OR 35 MILES AN HOUR.
YOU DRIVE ONE, YOUR DRIVEWAY, THOSE ARE ACTUAL STREETS THOUGH.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE STRAIGHT.
AND SO IT DON'T DEPEND ON THERE'S SOME SPACING REQUIRED FOR STRUCTURES AND DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THOSE STREETS, BUT NOT FROM STREETS TO STREETS.
DO WE KNOW IF THESE ALIGN WITH THE SENIOR CENTER? I THINK THE COMMUNITY THAT'S CROSSED THAT HAS THE TWO DRIVES GREG'S HERE.
I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR THE TWO STREETS ENTERING, UH, THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN.
UH, CARL STERN HAS A MEDIAN AND ONE OF THE STREETS IS THAT A MEDIAN OPENING AND THAT'S ALIGNED WITH IT, THE SENIOR HOUSING, AND THEN THE, UH, ONE TO THE EAST, UH, THE STREET TO THE EAST IS A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY THAT HELPED CLARIFY THAT.
UM, UH, I BELIEVE THE MIDDLE ONE IS STEINER AND THE LEFT ONE IS A SILO SILO.
UH, AND SO JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY, I KNOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND BASED ON THE DIAGRAM THERE, THEY'RE SHOWING HOUSING AND CERTAIN PLACES ON THE, ON THE SAME DIAGRAM, BUT SOME OF THE BLOCKS LIKE GIGI, H H I AND JJ ARE NOT, UM, PLOTTED OUT WITH ANYTHING THAT COME WITH A FUTURE PLAN OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT USE? THOSE ARE THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY LOTS, THAT'LL HAVE BULK MULTI-FAMILY DIFFERENT UNITS.
AND SO WE'LL SEE THEM WITH THE SITE PLAN.
IS THAT THE BIG LOTS? THERE'S 600.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY PLANNED FOR MULTIFAMILY.
THEY'RE PLANNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY FOR
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RENT, LIKE ATTACHED.THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE PRESENTED.
AND SO THEY'LL COME IN PROBABLY A LOT BY LOT OR A GROUP WITH A SITE PLAN.
THEY'LL HAVE TO FINAL PLAT THEM FIRST OF COURSE, BUT THEN THEY'LL COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN, SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO, AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAG UP WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT SO THERE IS NO PLAN FOR, BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS SET UP, I MEAN, FOR THE FRONT THREE GIGI III AND JJ, I MEAN, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY HAVING A SMALL AREA THAT IS AT THE MOST 170 FEET BACK, THAT THEN GOES TO A ROAD GOING ACROSS.
SO THOSE THREE LOTS ARE, ARE PERFECTLY SET UP FOR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING BESIDES MULTI-FAMILY.
SO IS THAT THE INTENT OF THE FRONTAGE? LOTS, THAT'S NOT BEEN EXPRESSED TO US AS THE INTENT NOW IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO US THAT THEY WANT TO DO THE 104 SINGLE FAMILY ON INDIVIDUAL.
THERE OBVIOUSLY COULD BE SOME CHANGES POTENTIALLY AS THEY GO THROUGH AND FINAL PLAT, THIS, THAT, THAT INTENT, UM, GETS CHANGED.
AND THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FORTUNATE FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THAT'S NOT BEEN EXPRESSED TO US AT THIS TIME.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE IF POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD NEED TO BRING THOSE CHANGES TO FINAL PLAT, CORRECT? YES.
IF THEY WANTED TO REVISE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU'D SEE THAT AGAIN AS WELL.
SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND REVISE BLOCK, GG, LOT, ONE AND BLOCK
AND YOU WON'T SEE IT AGAIN, IF IT'S IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION, WE WOULD GET IT THROUGH SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND ADDRESS IT THROUGH STAFF.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON LOT GG ONE AND 17, IT BASICALLY SAYS IN THE NOTES THAT'S AMENITY AND OPEN SPACE, LOTS.
AND I WAS HOPING YOU COULD COME UP AND RESPOND TO THAT.
THE LOT 17, I THINK IS KIND OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT'S BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS LAST TWO MONTHS AGO IS DEVELOPMENT OF THESE AND THIS SECTION AND LA ONE GG IS RIGHT ALONG THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
SO IS THAT A OPEN SPACE OR IS IT AN AMENITY AND WHAT IS IT CONSIDERING BETWEEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND ALL OF THESE RENTAL UNITS THAT, UM, AND I LIVE IN THIS AREA, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T, I THINK THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD.
AND IF YOU HAVE A OPEN SPACE RIGHT THERE, AND YOU'RE RENTING THIS OUT, UH, IS THAT THE BEST LOCATION WITH FAMILIES TAKING OVER THESE UNITS? UM, THAT IS, UM, AN OPEN SPACE LOT, AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE THE, UH, PROPOSES THE AMENITY CENTER.
AND, UM, SO THAT'LL, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF AMENITIES.
THERE'S A DOG PARK IN THE, UH, IN THE BACKSIDE, BUT THAT PARTICULAR LOT WILL BE A, YOU KNOW, GATED POOL AND FITNESS CENTER AND AMENITY CENTER.
IT, UH, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS KIND OF NEBULOUS OF WHAT COULD BE THERE.
UM, AND JUST WANTING TO MENTION THE, UM, THE COMMON LOTS, UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SEE TO HAVE HOUSES FACE, OPEN SPACE, NOT JUST STREETS AND FOR THAT REASON, SINCE THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ALL LOTS FRONT ON A STREET, UH, WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH SITE PLANS FOR THOSE COMMON LOTS, UM, FOR THESE HOUSES TO FACE OPEN SPACE, LOTS.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSES BEING SO CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THIS TIME IT APPEARS THAT WE EVEN GOT CLOSER ON, UM, I THINK IT'S GG 18 THROUGH 32.
UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE STRUCTURES WILL BE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THAT BACKSIDE? UM, I DON'T, BUT IT, THEY WILL COMPLY WITH, THERE'S SOME EASEMENTS GOING THROUGH THERE AND THERE'LL BE COMPLYING WITH ALL SETBACKS.
YOU GUYS DONE A NOISE STUDY, UM, OF DECIBELS FROM THOSE LOTS AND SEE IF YOU EVEN EXCEED THE CITY ORDINANCE LEVELS FOR SOUND WITH THE TRAINS GOING THROUGH, BECAUSE I IMAGINE THAT THAT COULD CAUSE ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY COME THROUGH AT LIKE THREE IN THE MORNING AND EVERYONE ON THERE CAN'T SLEEP.
UM, AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE SETTING UP FOR A, A
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CAVALCADE OF COMPLAINTS FROM EVERYONE THAT LIVES THERE FOR IMMORAL COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH LEGALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET A SILENT, UM, TRAIN THROUGH HADOW FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST COMPLAINTS OF WHY I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WAS HAPPY BEFORE AND WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE, UH, THE, UH, THE STORAGE UNITS THERE, WHICH WERE GOING TO BE LIKE A TWO-STORY BUFFER ALL ALONG UNION PACIFIC, AND THEN THAT GOT KILLED.
AND NOW YOU'RE PUTTING HOMES THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO BE A DETRIMENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
SO JUST AS WE ASKED FOR SIGHT LINES AND STUFF, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE, THE NOISE LEVEL DECIBELS ARE COMING FROM.
I, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
WELL, I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
YOU TOUCHED ON SOME, YOU TOUCHED ON SOME, UM, EIGHT APRIL, 2019.
UM, THIS CAME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND IT WAS PRESENTED AS COMMERCIAL BEING ALONG THE UNION CIVIC RAILROAD.
WHAT CHANGED? COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN APRIL 20, 19 3 YEARS IN ONE MONTH AGO, BEING COMMERCIAL ALONG PACIFIC RAILROAD TO NOW IT IS HOUSES AND RENTAL UNITS.
WHAT CHANGED? UM, THESE WERE ALL PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE PUD THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHY THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO HOUSES? WHAT WAS THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS IN THAT? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OWNER, BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE, UH, VIABILITY OF COMMERCIAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSTRAINED ON NORTH SIDE OF CARL STERN BECAUSE OF THE, AT GRADE RAILROAD CROSSING AT, UH, CHRIS KELLY AT, UH, 79.
AND, UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, COMMERCIAL BROKERS TRYING THEIR HARDEST.
WE'D BE GETTING FAR GREATER, UH, SALES PER SQUARE FOOT, UH, WITH COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, AND THE WHAT, WHAT HAS CHANGED IF YOU WILL, IS THE MARKET.
UH, NEXT QUESTION IS ON A BLOCK GG THE NORTH BLOCK, GG, NOT THE SELF, THE LOT 34.
THAT ONE, UH, LOTS 18 THROUGH 32.
AND SOME OTHERS ARE ACTUALLY OVER A WASTEWATER EASEMENT.
THAT WASTEWATER EASEMENT IS NOT USED.
IT WAS ANTICIPATED AND IT WILL BE VACATED BEFORE FINAL PLAT.
IT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WASTEWATER LINE THERE.
UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRAIN, UM, UNION PACIFIC TRAINS ARE 15 TO 16 FEET IN HEIGHT.
WE HAVE 26 TRAINS GOING THROUGH A DAY BY LAST COUNT AND OVER 50 MILES AN HOUR, OR AT APPROXIMATELY 50 MILES AN HOUR.
THE HORN NEEDS TO SOUND NO MORE THAN 20 SECONDS BEFORE THE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS 1500 FEET FROM THE CROSSING AT CHRIS KELLY.
A TRAIN HORN IS BETWEEN 96 AND 130 DECIBELS.
SO HE'S SIX FOOT TALL FENCE IS GOING TO PROVIDE NO ZERO NOISE MITIGATION AT LESS THAN 200 FEET FROM THE RAILROAD.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF NOISE MITIGATION ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE? IF ANY, I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE PLAN, UM, COMPLIES WITH ALL HUD REQUIREMENTS AND THE SUBDIVISION TO REQUIRE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE, IT WAS A BAD PUB THAT WAS CREATED, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO STICK HERE.
I KNOW LEGALLY WE CAN'T STOP IT, BUT WE CAN HOPEFULLY BRING TO LIGHT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NEGATIVE FOR THE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP THEM DECIMAL TRAIN HORN, 30 FEET, 40 FEET OFF YOUR BACK FENCE, 26 TIMES A DAY IS GOING TO LEAD TO SLEEP, SLEEP DEPRIVATION.
SO IF THERE ARE NO MITIGATING FACTORS WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THIS, THOSE, THAT BURDEN IS NOW ASSUMED BY THE CITY WITH THE NOISE COMPLAINTS.
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I THINK TO ME, IT APPEARS AS IF LEGALLY YOU'RE ENTITLED DO THIS.SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY EXTRA STEPS TO MITIGATE FUTURE PROBLEMS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE BUILDING A HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF A CLIFF.
YOU CAN DO IT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA.
LET ME JUMP OFF AND JUST ASK HER A QUESTION FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I GUESS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT OTHER PLANS DID YOU HAVE? DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER WAYS WHERE YOU WOULD PROVIDED THE GREEN SPACE AS A BUFFER ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INSTEAD OF LINING ALL THE HOUSES UP THERE WERE THERE OTHER SITE PLANS THAT WERE FEASIBLE THAT WOULD HAVE PROTECTED THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING HERE FROM THE SOUND BY PROVIDING THE GREEN SPACE, PROVIDING YOUR AMENITY CENTER BACK THERE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE USED PROVIDING THE DOG PARK ALONG THERE THAT YOU PUT TREES, AND NOW YOU HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE TRAINS AND ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE'S GOING TO BE GOING THERE.
DID YOU GUYS DO OTHER FEASIBILITY STUDIES? WE DID FEASIBILITY STUDIES.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, STREET SECTIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THE STREETS HAVE A SEPARATE SIDEWALKS AND TREE STREET TREES PLANTED, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE ARE REQUIRED IN HOW TO, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUIRED IN THIS PUD.
AND, UH, WE, WE WERE ONE OF, I'LL JUST SAY AN EARLY PIONEER, I THINK IN, IN HADOW IN TERMS OF, OF, UM, HAVING THIS, UH, STREET TREES IS AS A AMENITY MAKING THESE STREETS USABLE, SEPARATED SIDEWALKS FOR, UM, FOR FOLKS TO USE.
I THINK THE TREES DO PROVIDE, UH, CERTAIN MITIGATION FOR THE, UM, FOR NOISE.
AND, UM, ALSO THE, WELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S THE STREET TREES ARE A TREMENDOUS, UM, ASSET TO THIS AND THERE'S, UH, QUITE A VARIETY OF OPEN, OH, UH, EXCUSE ME, AMENITIZED OPEN SPACES.
UM, WITHIN THIS BOTH SIDES OF THE, UH, CARAMEL CREEK, UH, CARAMEL CAREER COULD BE LEFT, UM, NATURALIZE AND WITH, UH, UH, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE CROSSING.
SO PEOPLE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOP AROUND.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF AMENITIES, A NUMBER OF PRO, UH, EXCUSE ME, UM, POCKET PARKS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE AN, A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ON THE, ON THE TRAINS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS, UH, HAVE A CONTINUOUS, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THROUGHOUT CARMEL CREEK, BOTH NORTH OF CARL STERN AND SOUTH CARL STERN THAT WE THINK ADDS VALUE TO THE CITY OF, OF HOW TO, I THINK YOUR BIGGEST THING IS GOING TO BE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE TURNOVER RATE ALONG THAT BACK LINE RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO LIVE THERE LONG TERM.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT? I THINK THAT HAVING LESS, MAYBE LESS POCKET PARKS AND HAVING MORE GREEN SPACE WITH TREES BETWEEN WOULD PROBABLY KEEP YOUR RESIDENTS LONG LONG-TERM, BUT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I JUST CAN'T SEE ANYBODY STAYING THERE.
LONG-TERM WITH THE ABANDONMENT OF THAT 25 FOOT WASTEWATER LINE EASEMENT, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT HOPS COVE FLIP THE, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS AND HOPS COVE.
SO THE ROAD IS CLOSER TO THE RAILROAD, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR STREET TREES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT OF A BUFFER, AND IT PROVIDES YOU PROBABLY ANOTHER, WHAT DOES THAT 140 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RAILROAD 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH DOING THAT ON BLOCK GG LOT 16 THROUGH THREE, YOU HAVE HOPS ROAD THAT ACTUALLY HUGS THE, UH, THE RAILROAD, BUT WHEN IT CROSSES THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, FOR SOME REASON, THEY FLIP AND YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL UP AGAINST A RAILROAD AND HOPS COVE, UM, INTERIOR OF THE LOT UNDERSTOOD.
WE, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS AND THAT THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE DEVELOPED.
UH, NEXT QUESTION, UM, BLOCK GG 30, UM, LOT 34.
UM, I'M SEEING THE LOTS AT 31 FOOT WIDTH.
ALL THE, ALL THE, ALL THE HOMES WITHIN THIS SUBDIVISION ARE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FREESTANDING, THEY'RE NOT, THERE ARE NO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ALL THAT.
IN FACT, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IS NOT A PERMITTED USE WITHIN THIS AREA OF THE PUD.
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AT 42 FOOT WIDTH.UH, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, LET'S SEE, ALONG STORES DRIVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I'M SEEING THEM AT 42 FIT 42 FEET WIDE.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE ALSO ATTACHED.
THEY'RE NOT FREESTANDING ALL, ALL THE HOMES IN THIS, IN THIS SUBMITTAL ART ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES.
SO, UM, MAYBE THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE INTO THE WEEDS, BUT ARE THOSE 31 FOOT LOTS GOING TO HAVE GARAGES? THE, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF BOTH ALLIE MOST, UH, UH, COMBINATION OF FRONT-LOADED HOMES, UH, COMPLY WITH THE PUD AND ALLIE LEADED HOMES.
THESE ARE THE LOTS BACKING UP TO THE RAILROAD.
SO WILL THEY HAVE GARAGES OR NO, THEY WILL HAVE GARAGES.
SO SINGLE CAR, I'M ASSUMING AT 31 FEET, UM, A 18 FOOT WIDE GARAGE IS GOING TO EAT UP ALL BUT 13 FEET OF THAT LOT.
SO I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE CAR GARAGE.
THE, THERE ARE VERY ROBUST, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT ARE PART OF THIS PUD AND ALL OF THOSE PUD REQUIREMENTS MUST BE COMPLIED WITH INCLUDING GARAGE.
THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON GARAGES.
SO ARE MOST OF THESE HOUSES ALONG THAT LINE GOING TO BE TWO STORY ATTACHED HOMES.
UM, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF ONE STORY AND TWO STORY HOMES, A VARIETY OF TWO BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, FOUR BEDROOM.
AND SO IT'S, THERE'S QUITE A DIVERSITY OF RAY OF ONE AND TWO STORY AND DIFFERENT MIX OF BEDROOMS. AND WE CAN'T ASK TO HAVE MORE SOUNDPROOF MATERIAL USE.
CAN WE, IT'S NOT PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION.
UM, THE HOUSES THAT ARE BACKING UP ON SOURS STOWERS, WHATEVER THAT BACKUP TO THE RETAIL, UM, TO THE, WHAT IS IT POPEYE'S AND WENDY'S AND STUFF.
WHAT IS, IS THERE A SETBACK FROM THE ROAD TO THEIR FENCE AND WHAT IS THAT? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE PUD THAT HAS A SEPARATION FROM COMMERCIAL USE TO S TO RESIDENTIAL USE.
AND, UM, I HAVE MY PEDO DOCUMENT OVER THERE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT, UH, WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT THE SETBACK, UM, IN ADDITION TO A SIX FOOT SCREEN WALL, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SETBACK IS, BUT IT COMPLIES WITH THE PUD.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
WHAT IS, WELL, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE RAILROAD.
WHAT YOU HAVE A MAINSTREAM WALL ON THE RAILROAD SIDE, OR IS IT JUST WOOD FENCE UP THERE? IT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED AND WE'RE STILL STUDYING THAT.
UM, IT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T BE MAINSTREAM.
SO THE HEIGHT AS YOU GUYS ARE EVALUATING, IT COULD BE A TALLER MASONRY WALL THAT WOULD MITIGATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
IN FACT, IN 12 FOOT, MAYBE I WAS THINKING MOPAC, THEY'VE GOT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THEM UP ON EVERYBODY'S BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE, THE PRECAST FENCES THAT ARE 10 FEET TALL TO BE, YOU KNOW, BLOCK THE SOUND THAT WOULD MITIGATE A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS.
IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF ELEMENT IN THAT FENCE THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT.
WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE DON'T IMMEDIATELY REGRET THAT THEY MOVED TO HUDDLE.
AND THEN TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE HUDDLE IS BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT TOWN AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO SOUR THERE OF HUDDLE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT EVERY PERSON THAT MOVES IN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE INITIAL FOR HOW THOUGH, AND THAT WOULD BE TRAGIC.
AND SO I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP US DO THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RENT THEM OUT.
IT WAS THERE A SITE PLAN CONSTRAINT FROM PREVENTING THE HOPS CO FROM RUNNING ADJACENT OR PARALLEL WITH THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THE RAILROAD IS, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUNNING ADJACENT ON BLOCK GG LOT 17 ALONG 16 THROUGH THREE.
AND THEN AS SOON AS IT CROSSES THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, IT DROPS.
I CAN PULL UP FLOODPLAIN MAPS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS DECIDED TO DROP IT AND SWITCH THE ROAD IN
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THE RESIDENTIAL.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BACKGROUND ON THAT THIS IS NOT BUILT YET.
IS THERE A REASON THAT CAN'T BE FIXED AND CHANGED NOW WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL TONIGHT AND IT COMPLIES WITH ALL SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND THE PUD.
WELL, I THINK IF YOU COULD AT LEAST DO THAT TALLER MASONRY WALL, THAT WOULD AT LEAST BE SOMETHING.
SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GOING IN CIRCLES ON THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK STAFF OVER THERE, WE'RE MAKING THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS.
CAN WE NOT ADD A STIPULATION THAT THERE HAS TO BE A SPECIFIC BARRIER BETWEEN HOUSING AND THE RAILROAD? MY UNDERSTANDING OF STATE LAW IS NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU'LL REVIEW A SUBDIVISION POT IS IF IT, UM, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IT TO YOUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OR YOUR UDC, THAT'S BASED ON LOT SIZES AND THE REST.
THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY STIPULATE ON A PLOT IF IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF IT MEETS THE SETBACKS OR, UM, LOT SIZES AND IT MEETS THE ZONING CRITERIA, THEN, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
CAUSE I'VE, I'VE PULLED UP THE PUTT AND I'M TRYING TO READ IT, BUT I'M ONLY AT PAGE EIGHT OF 131.
HURRY UP, HE'D READ THIS THING.
READ FAST ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS EVER A BUFFER FENCING THOUGHT OF THAT.
THE, THERE PUD MIRRORS, THE UDC VERY CLOSELY IN SOME AREAS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING ON THE, AND I THINK A LONG TIME AGO IT WAS ORIGINALLY SOLD.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL ZONE.
AND SO IT WASN'T, AND THAT WAS A MISTAKE ON THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE THAT DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO, AS WE FOUND IN MANY THINGS IN THIS TOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST ASKING YOU JUST TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND HELP US WITH THIS.
IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, GOOD QUESTION.
WOULD YOU HAVE A MASONRY FENCE BETWEEN YOUR, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR IS THAT NOT REQUIRED? IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
THE ENCORE EASEMENT IS ACTUALLY AN ASSET.
WE BELIEVE 70 FEET WIDE, BUT ON THE, ON THE, WHERE HOPS GOES AND FLIP-FLOPS IN THOSE HOUSES BACK UP TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN PUT THE COMPLEX.
WHAT IS THAT FENCE? IS THAT JUST THEIR FENCE? IS IT THE RESIDENTS HAVE A WOOD FENCE? UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS, BUT WE DO HAVE A TEAM, A TEAM OF DESIGNERS THAT ARE WORKING IN THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
I MEAN, I THINK, AND I'M, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT I'M GOING BACK TO SOME OF OUR OTHER ISSUES OF SIGHT LINES INTO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THESE ARE RENTAL UNITS, BUT HOW CLOSE ARE THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BALCONIES TO THESE UNITS? AND IS THAT GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL? UM, YEAH.
AND THEN I GUESS, SO THE PUD HAS THE MASONRY FENCE, AND I'M GONNA ASSUME, AS YOU SAID, IT'S BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND UNION PACIFIC.
AND AS IT GOES ACROSS, WHERE DOES IT END THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET.
AND, AND LOTS OF PRODUCT IN Y'ALL'S DEVELOPMENT IS VERY BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I KNOW THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL MAKE A NICE QUALITY PRODUCT.
I JUST, I JUST WANT TO HELP MITIGATE THE SOUND BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
UH, I DO HAVE A ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE TIAA.
UM, SO I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR WHAT, UH, VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THE ROAD, ESPECIALLY CARL IS DESIGNED FOR, IS IT FOR THE PEAK HOURS OR IS IT FOR THE TOTAL VOLUME AVERAGE? I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER ABOUT YOUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY BECAUSE I'M SEEING, YEAH, EXACTLY.
I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, PM PEAK HOUR EXIT, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, BFR WEST VFR EAST, A TOTAL INCREASE, ET CETERA.
AND IT'S LISTING A TOTAL DECREASE, BUT FROM WHAT I, WHAT I'VE WITNESSED MYSELF AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER RESIDENTS IS CARL STERN CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC NOW UNDERSTOOD THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
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TRUST I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I HAVE TO TRUST THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT DID THE STUDY.I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU KNEW THE METHODOLOGY OF IT, IS IT AVERAGE OR IS IT PEAK? WASN'T SURE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THEY COUNTED FOR THAT.
THIS WAS BEGUN, BECOME THE MAIN LOOP TO GET TO ONE 30 AND THAT EVERYBODY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMING STRAIGHT ACROSS INSTEAD OF GOING TO 79, I JUST THINK IT WAS DONE WRONG.
SO THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO ASK THIS, JUST TO VERIFY, UM, SO I KNOW THE EAST OF THIS FRONTS, THE ACCESS ROAD TO COMMERCIAL, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE ALSO PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED IS THE COMMERCIAL ALONG, UM, THE MAIN ROAD.
SO THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY ACCESS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS ROAD AND THE HOMES.
IS IT COMPLETELY SEPARATED? THERE WILL BE, IT WILL BE ACCESS THE, SO THERE'LL BE AN ACCESS FROM CHRIS KELLY ON A DRIVEWAY CONNECTING WITH A STREET, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FINAL PLAN.
IS IT JUST THAT ONE PLOW SHARE PASS THAT'S AT THE NORTH.
SO THAT AT THE NORTH THERE THERE'S ONE STREET PLOW SHARE PASS.
IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE CONNECTED POTENTIALLY? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO DIAMOND HITCH DRIVE INTO TO CONNECT TO HOURS DRIVE? YEAH.
SO THAT'LL CONNECT TO THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS ROAD AND TO, YEAH, EXACTLY.
WE WANT TO DO ENSURE GOOD, UM, ACCESSIBILITY AND, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS THERE'S THREE POINTS OF ACCESS INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO OTHERWISE, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS, THEN WE'LL BE JUST A FENCE LINE FOR THE BACK OF THE RESIDENCES.
AND THEN WILL THERE BE ANYTHING ELSE THERE IS THERE? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH MOST OF THE PET.
IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS? YOU MEAN? UM, SO BETWEEN, I DON'T TH THAT ROAD DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A NAME OR I WOULD CALL IT SOMETHING, WHATEVER THE ROAD IS BEHIND, LIKE POPEYE'S AND EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.
I KEEP CALLING IT COMMERCIAL ACCESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, THERE'S NO ROAD IT'S GOING PARALLEL TO CRITICALLY.
SO THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS, AND THEN YOU HAVE WHATEVER GAP AND WHATEVER THE SETBACK IS.
AND THEN THE FENCES FOR THE RESIDENCES, CORRECT? YES.
SO IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THERE WILL THERE, IS THERE A LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR SOME KIND OF SIDEWALK OR MULTI-USE PATH ALONG THERE TO ACTUALLY CONNECT THE RESIDENCES INTO THE COMMERCIAL SECTION? WE, UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS, BUT THE REASON THAT CONNECTION IS THERE IS TO PROMOTE CONNECTIVITY AND REDUCE CAR TRAFFIC AND PROMOTE PEOPLE WALKING TO BOTH THE COMMERCIAL USES AND, UH, CHRIS KELLY.
SO THAT IS YEAH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CARAMEL CREEK.
UM, WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THERE ON CHRIS KELLY, THERE'S THE MASONRY WALL FENCE, AND THEN THERE'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT BUFFER OF GRASS, A SIDEWALK, AND ANOTHER FOUR FEET.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME BUFFER ZONE AT THE BACK OF THAT ROAD THAT GOES NORTH SOUTH BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THAT MASONRY FENCE? IS THERE ALSO GOING TO BE A GRASS BUFFER ZONE WITH A SIDEWALK THERE, OR IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE THE BACK OF THE WALL? IT IS TOO EARLY FOR ME TO TELL.
I'M NOT, UM, AFFORDING THE QUESTION IT'S JUST TOO EARLY, WHERE WE'RE IN THE XY PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK BASED ON THE SITE PLANS THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THAT BACKAGE ROAD, BUT IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BACK OF THE ROAD.
SO I DON'T SEE ON THIS, THAT THERE WOULD BE ROOM FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT COMMERCIAL ACCESS ROAD.
SO THE WAY I SEE THIS PLAY NOW IS THERE WOULD BE A MASONRY WALL, MAYBE TWO TO FOUR FEET ROAD SIDEWALK.
AND I COULD, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH THE SITE PLANS THAT THEY'RE ALL BUILDING THEIR SIDEWALK ON THAT ONE SIDE, WE REQUIRE THAT.
AS LONG AS SOMEWHERE WE CAN NOTE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO SITE PLANS, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, I MEAN, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT CONNECTIVITY ON PLUSHER PASS AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BETWEEN THAT ONE ACCESS AND NOW 12 BUSINESSES ALONG THERE, UM, AND I ALREADY DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALONG, UM, NOT CROSSTALK, SORRY, CHRIS KELLY.
THERE IS, THERE IS, IS ONE LONG CRESCO WE'VE INSTALLED, BUT STILL, IF WE DON'T HAVE ONE, AT LEAST THROUGH THE REAR TO THE BACK, THAT'S KIND OF DEFEATING
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THE CONNECTIVITY THAT THE POET IS TALKING ABOUT.SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S STILL SOME KIND OF CONNECTIVITY THERE, THERE WILL BE CONNECTIVITY.
AGAIN, IT'S THE COMMERCIAL FACES CARLOS, UH, CHRIS KELLY.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK RUNNING ALONG THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR THE PUD.
UM, SO THE IDEAS HAVE SIDEWALKS CONNECTING WITH THAT SIDEWALK AS WELL.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WELL THEN I WILL MOVE THAT MEETING THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS PUT FORTH IN THE PUD THAT THIS ITEM 4.313 BE APPROVED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION COMMENT ON MOTION? I HAVE ONE, I AM RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS BECAUSE LEGALLY IT IS APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR HUDDLE.
AND IF I HAD A LEGAL BASIS TO DISAPPROVE IT, I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT.
I JUST, I JUST, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE QUESTION TO ASK, AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN READING THE PUD AND I'M SURE CITY STAFF HAS READ THE PUD LIKE A THOUSAND TIMES COMPARED TO THIS.
UM, BUT I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO ACTUAL ANYTHING THAT WE CAN USE BASED ON THE PUB THAT WAS APPROVED EIGHT YEARS AGO, UM, THAT JUST GROUPED THIS INTO BLOCKS OF DEVELOPMENT VERSUS ACTUAL DEFINED DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN USE FROM THAT TO ENFORCE ANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
NOT THAT I'VE SEEN IN A PAG, IT DIDN'T COVER SOME OF THE WHAT'S COMING FORWARD NOW, BUT THE USES WERE ALL ALLOWED AND CONTEMPLATED.
SO THAT'S HER WAY GET INTO THIS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ECHO YOUR SAME COMMENT, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENT THEN? WELL, I WANT TO SAY, I DO HOPE THAT THEY WILL PUT THE LARGE MASONRY WALL TO AT LEAST MITIGATE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
UM, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO SO THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO SO, SO WE HOPE THEY WILL, RIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO.
UH, THAT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHWART FINGER.
NEXT ITEM IS 4.6, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE IRONWOOD 117.6, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 79 FROM COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SLASH BUSINESS PARK.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 79 ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION.
UH, YOU MAY KNOW IT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CALLED THE CHANG TRACK.
UH, IT'S, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2012.
IT'S A NON ANNEXATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ANNEXATION.
AND WITH THAT ANNEXATION, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION IS TRIGGERED BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
SO THIS IS A TWO-PART PROCESS TO A THREE-PART PROCESS AT CITY COUNCIL.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION, UM, WOULD ALLOW FOR IT TO BE, UM, BUSINESS PARK INDUSTRIAL.
AND RIGHT NOW IT EXISTS IS A HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL THE ORANGE IN THE NORTHERN PORTION.
AND IN COMMERCIAL, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO A, UM, INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK.
AGAIN, JUST LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
THERE'S FLOODPLAIN GOING THROUGH THE SITE.
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UH, AND THEN THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT SHOWS YOU THE ADJACENT ZONING.THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NORTH OF SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD IS THE TITAN INNOVATION PARK.
THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING JUST TO THE NORTH IS ALSO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
IT WAS JUST BROUGHT IN ANNEX SINGLE FAMILY ONE.
AND SO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY A SINGLE FAMILY USES.
UM, WE DID LOOK AT THE FUTURE LAND USE.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS QUITE A FEW CONSTRAINTS FOR ACCESS ON THE 79.
AND SO THIS PARTICULAR USE ALLOWS THE SITE TO BE USED AT A MUCH HIGHER RATIO LEVEL.
IF YOU WILL, FOR JOBS AND POTENTIAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY, THEN SAY, UM, MORE RESIDENTIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL HAS NOT BEEN A VIABLE USE IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ACCESS FROM TEXTILE IT ON 79 FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL, UM, NEGATIVE NECESSARILY TO MOST OF THE SITES.
THERE IS A SMALL PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL MEAN EMORY FARMSTEAD IN THE NORTHEAST.
WE DO HAVE BUFFER YARDS AND SCREENING IN PLACE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AND PAID CAREFUL ATTENTION TO, UM, WE, THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING THROUGH AS A CITY, THIS ARE, UM, SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST PROCESS, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALL HEARD ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN THAT IS HOLDING UP SOME PROJECTS.
THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT DOES HAVE THAT SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST IN THE PIPELINE, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT BEEN APPROVED.
AND SO WE HAVE NEGOTIATED A MUNICIPAL SERVICE PLAN THAT IF THEY DO GET TO THE ANNEXATION POINT, THE CITY IS NOT ON THE HOOK FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER AS OF YET.
AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE USE.
AND SO IF YOU HEAR FROM OTHER FOLKS THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD, THAT IS WHY THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE USES.
UM, THE SIDE AND ITS CONDITIONS ARE SUITED FOR INAPPROPRIATE, WE BELIEVE.
UM, THERE IS SOME, UH, EXISTING FLOOD PLAIN ON THE SITE.
THERE ARE, WE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE NEIGHBORS THAT THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS AND THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BEING INCREASED.
ONE THING ABOUT NOT WITH THIS FLUME PER SE, BUT ONCE THIS PROJECT GETS UNDER DESIGN, THEY DO HAVE TO MEET ALL OF OUR DESIGN CRITERIA.
AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE DRAINAGE CRITERIA THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET AND THE ENGINEERING THAT WILL BE UNDERTAKEN WILL ACTUALLY COULD POSSIBLY IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORS, UM, SITUATION.
AND IT WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, LAND USE CHANGE DOES ADDRESS A COMMUNITY NEED FOR JOBS AND DAYTIME POPULATION.
THERE ARE NO IDENTIFY AS SCENIC OR NATURAL OR HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE THREATENED.
UH, THE LAND TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THE HIGHWAY ACCESS HAS LIMITED.
THE SIDE IS THE LEGAL BUILDING LAW.
IT CAN BE SUBDIVIDED INTO THE FUTURE, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO ANALYZE FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION.
WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FLUME FROM THE HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK.
THE APPLICANTS ARE THERE HERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION, THE, UM, ITEM FOLLOWING THIS AS THE ZONING.
SO I THINK, UM, AMANDA, DID YOU WANT TO DO THE PRESENTATION WITH THE FLUME OR THE ZONING? UM, ACTUALLY I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, UH, MR. ROGERS, UH, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AFTER HER PRESENTATION? OKAY.
HOWEVER, YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE BOTH OF THEM.
I'M WITH KIMBERLY HORN HERE REPRESENTING A COMPANY CALLED IRONWOOD.
UM, TONIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REQUEST FOR A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND AS ZONING, UH, AS AUTUMN AUTONOMOUS RD ALLUDED TO.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IRONWOOD.
UM, SO THIS IS A COMPANY BASED OUT OF DALLAS.
THEY HAVE SINCE EXPANDED INTO ALL OVER TEXAS AND PARTICULARLY IN CENTRAL TEXAS.
UM, SO WHAT THEY DEVELOP ARE SPECULATIVE, UM, UH, BUSINESS PARK AND WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS.
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE AN END-USER RIGHT NOW.
AND SO IT REALLY ALLOWS FOR IT TO BE SORT OF VITAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN HADOW.
SO BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES CAN COME QUICKLY MOVED, MOVE INTO HADOW AND USE THIS FACILITY.
SO THIS IS A LOCATION MAP, UM, AS AUTOMOTIVE MENTIONED, IT'S, UM, ALONG 79, UM, JUST EAST OF ONE 30 STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30.
UM, THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A DEVELOPMENT FOR A BUSINESS PARK, UM, WAREHOUSE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
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SO THE REASONS, UM, THERE ARE A FEW REASONS WHY THIS IS A REALLY APPROPRIATE SITE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.SO IF YOU LOOK OUT ON SORT OF MORE OF A REGIONAL SCALE, THIS SITE IS, UM, IS SITUATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT MAKES IT IDEAL, UM, FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30, WHICH WILL BE ONE OF OUR PRIMARY ACCESS POINTS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GET, UH, GOODS IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY, BUT ALSO THE CONNECTIVITY AND PROXIMITY TO AGE 35, 79 AND 40, UH, 45, UM, ON A MORE LOCAL SCALE, THE, UM, TRANSPORT THE SITE IS SITUATED IN HERETO IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT REALLY FITS NICELY AS WELL.
UM, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY OF ONE 30, UM, JUST IN BEING ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, NONE OF OUR TRUCKS WILL BE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE CITY OF HOW-TO TO ACCESS THIS SITE.
WE EXPECT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC, IF NOT ALL OF IT TO BE COMING DIRECTLY FROM ONE 30, UM, AND FROM THE WEST OF HEDO.
SO IN ADDITION TO THIS BEING SORT OF IDEAL FROM A TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC, UM, PERSPECTIVE, IT ALSO FITS IN WITH THE EXISTING FABRIC OF THE EXISTING USES IN THE AREA.
UH, SO JUST TO THE NORTH, THERE'S ALREADY WAREHOUSING, UM, INDUSTRIAL AND TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS ALSO WAREHOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THE REQUEST IS FROM HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK.
SO AS YOU'LL SEE, THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS ALSO INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARKS.
SO IT FLOWS VERY NICELY WITH THOSE USES TO THE NORTH, UM, TO THE EAST IS, UM, PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND IT'S PREDOMINANTLY UNDEVELOPED.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A YMC THERE NOW.
UM, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH AND WEST IS
UM, AND OF COURSE WHEN WE COME IN FOR OUR SITE AND DESIGN THE SITE, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, UM, BOTH IN TERMS OF THE VISUAL AESTHETICS AND ALSO NOISE.
UM, AND THEN THE CITY OF HUDDLE ALSO HAS, UM, SCREENING AND COMPATIBILITY, UM, PROVISIONS IN THE CODE CURRENTLY THAT WILL CERTAINLY BE COMPLYING WITH IT AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE REQUESTED.
WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING A, UM, A REZONING IN ANNEXATION.
SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE ANNEXATION IS, UM, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING TO BE, UM, QUITE LARGE FOR THE CITY OF HADOW, UM, BY ANNEXING, UH, BY ANNEXING INTO THE CITY, A LOT OF THOSE DOLLARS WILL GO INTO THE COFFERS OF THE CITY OF HEDO.
SO THAT INCLUDES PROPERTY TAXES.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN A $200 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES ON THIS AREA, UM, INVENTORY TAX AND, AND POSSIBLE SALES TAX, DEPENDING ON WHO ACTUALLY OCCUPIES THIS FACILITY.
SO THE ZONING REQUEST IS, UM, IS FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, IS, IS THE, THE ZONING REQUEST.
SO I'M WORKING CLOSELY WITH BOB FARLEY, WHO'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF HIDALGO TO UNDERSTAND, UM, SORT OF THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES OF THE CITY OF HADOW.
AND HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, AN ECONOMICS BENEFIT STUDY FOR US.
UM, SO IT'S EXPECTED THAT OVER, OVER THE SPAN OF 10 YEARS, UM, THE NET BENEFITS TO HUDDLE WILL BE OVER $16 MILLION, UM, THAT COMES ALONG WITH, UM, JOBS AND SALARIES.
AND I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE, UM, WITH REGARDS TO ECONOMIC BENEFITS IS THERE ARE MASSIVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THESE TYPES OF USERS ARE USUALLY EXTREMELY LIGHT USERS ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO VERY LITTLE WATER IS USED IN THESE FACILITIES.
VERY LITTLE WASTEWATER IS NEEDED FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
UM, VERY LOW TRAFFIC WILL BE GENERATED, UM, BY THIS TYPES OF FACILITIES, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CURRENTLY, WHICH IS MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST GENERATORS OF TRAFFIC.
UM, I WOULD SAY ADDITIONALLY, UM, LOTS OF, LOTS OF PROPERTY TAXES CONTRIBUTED TO HUDDLE ISD WHERE THERE'LL BE NO ADDITIONAL STUDENTS BE, UM, BEING GENERATED FROM THIS TYPE OF USE.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE AND OUR, UH, AND THE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE FROM IRONWOOD HERE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
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THANK YOU MUCH.UM, SO I DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, MR. STEVE ROGERS.
SO I REPRESENT ALAMO HUDDLE, MINI STORAGE LIMITED, A LIMITED PARTNERSHIP THAT OWNS A SELF STORAGE FACILITY, JUST ADJACENT TO THIS TRACKS ACROSS THE DRAINAGE DITCH.
UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WE'D THE LIMITED PARTNERSHIP PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2005.
UM, APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF OUR PROPERTY IS ENCUMBERED BY A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, WHICH IS IN THE FEMA FLOOD PLAIN AT THAT TIME.
NO OTHER PART OF OUR PROPERTY WAS IN THE THEME OF FLOOD PLAIN ON THE MAP THERE WHERE THE YELLOW TRON YELLOW BLOCK THAT SAYS SITE OURS IS JUST ABOVE AND TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DRAINAGE AND HE'S BEEN GOING DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY AND THROUGH, UH, THE IRONWOOD PROPERTY.
SO OVER THE YEARS, DEVELOPMENT UPSTREAM INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, INCREASING WATER FLOW IN THAT EASEMENT, UH, WHEN COUNTY ROAD 1 0 8 WAS DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT A LITTLE BIT ACROSS THE WAY IS INNOVATION BOULEVARD, A CULVERT, A DRAINAGE WAS ADDED UNDERNEATH THE STREET, BRINGING WATER FROM THE WEST SIDE OF, UH, INNOVATION BOULEVARD.
SO IT INCREASED THE WATER FLOW, UH, IN THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
WHEN WE REFINANCED OUR MORTGAGE IN 2017, WE FOUND THAT THE FEMA FLOOD PLAIN HAD BEEN REVISED AND A PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY WAS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT HAD NOT BEEN IN THERE BEFORE.
SO THAT CAUSES, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE AND EXPENSE ON OUR PART.
UM, WHENEVER WE HAVE TO CLEAN THAT DITCH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING TAXES ON IT.
IT'S A $10,000 INVESTMENT TO, TO CLEAN IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DEVELOP IT OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
SO IT JUST FELT COMPELLED TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN WITH 117 ACRES OF INCREASED IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE IT'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET TO THE CITY OF HUDDLE, TAXES, JOBS, UM, ALL THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT IT'S ALSO HAS A HIGH POTENTIAL OF BRINGING A LOT MORE WATER INTO THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT, WHICH COULD AFFECT, AGAIN, OUR PROPERTY, OUR FUTURE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING WHAT'S CURRENTLY PARKING AREA INTO ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL STORAGE BUILDINGS, PUTTING OUR CUSTOMER GOODS IN DANGER, INCREASING COSTS OF FLOOD INSURANCE.
I DID SEE ONE SMALL LITTLE PARAGRAPH IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT SAID, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT MAY, UM, MAY AID THE POSSIBILITY OF INCREASING OR, OR MITIGATING DRAIN AND JOHN, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
I HOPE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT US.
AND WITH THAT, THIS DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:38 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM? YES, MA'AM JUST HAVE HER FILL OUT THE CARD.
UM, MY NAME IS ELAINE PROUT AND I LIVE IN EMERY FARMS AND THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THIS GOING IN, WE GOING BACK TO 2017 WHEN TITAN STARTED, WE'VE HAD NOTHING BUT ISSUES.
IT'S BEEN TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE RESIDENTS THE ENTIRE TIME.
ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WERE PROMISED NEVER HAPPENED.
WE DON'T HAVE THE BERM THAT WE WERE TOLD.
WE WOULD GET TO BE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
SO I'M NOT REAL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THAT STUFF.
UH, THE TRACTOR TRAILER, TRAFFIC DAILY THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, MY CONCERN IS CONSTRUCTION.
TRAFFIC WILL NOW BE COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY WILL USE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE SHORTCUT BECAUSE THAT'S A DIRECTION.
GOOGLE TAKES THEM GOING TO INNOVATION BOULEVARD IN ALLIANCE.
AND I KNOW THE CITY HAS SENT STUFF INTO GOOGLE TO SAY, PLEASE DON'T BRING THEM THAT WAY, BUT IT'S NOT WORKING.
I MEAN, I HAVE DUMP TRUCKS COMING THROUGH BEFORE 7:00 AM ON A SATURDAY MORNING, WAKING ME UP.
AM I HEADBOARDS 30 FEET FROM THE ROAD? SO THERE IS A CONCERN OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DEALT WITH.
UM, THE FACT THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT SHOWED ENTRANCES OFF OF ALLIANCE BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A VERY SMALL ROAD.
IT'S BARELY ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO CARS TO PASS.
NOW, WHAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN NURSE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING ON THAT ROAD AND TRUCKS.
UM, AND I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT MOST TRAFFIC COMING FROM ONE 30 AND STUFF WILL NOT COME THAT WAY.
FROM WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED PAST THREE YEARS, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN THAT AT ALL.
AND SINCE NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW NOW COMING THROUGH EMORY FARMS, SINCE THAT ROUNDABOUT OPENED, IS THERE A PLAN TO DEAL WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE NON-STOP TRAFFIC ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT, I HAVE CAMERAS AND I CAN LOOK THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, WE'RE GETTING NO POLICE PRESENCE AND OF LATE WE'VE HAD TRACTOR TRAILERS SPENDING THE NIGHT ON EMORY FARMS THAT THEY'RE PARKING THERE OVERNIGHT.
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UP BEHIND HIM AND HE LEFT AND THEY LEFT THE TRUCK THERE.AND I KNOW THERE'S A CITY ORDINANCE THAT DOES PREVENT THAT, BUT IT'S NOTHING BEING DONE ABOUT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT THING EVER GETS GOING, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC? WE HAVE NO STOP SIGNS ON EMORY FARMS AVENUE.
THERE'S NOTHING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, NO TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.
WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SOUND BARRIERS.
AND I GUESS LIKE A AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST ONE AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT.
UH, IF I COULD, COULD I ASK YOU TO FILL OUT A, A CARD JUST FOR OUR RECORD KEEPING THANKS.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AT 8:41 PM AND OPENING IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE.
SO DO WE KNOW WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A PLAN TO WIDEN ALLIANCE BOULEVARD AND UPGRADE THAT FOR THIS TRAFFIC COMING INTO THIS SPACE, SINCE RIGHT NOW IT'S AGRICULTURAL LAND.
ALLIANCE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN THEY COME IN FOR PLATTING.
AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND THEM UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A MINOR COLLECTOR THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO CITY STANDARDS AS WELL.
SO ON THAT 1 0 8 ROAD, ALL THE WAY TO ALLIANCE, THERE'S A ROAD THAT'LL GO ACROSS THERE.
UM, THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN, I DON'T BELIEVE ADDRESSES THE WAY WE WILL REQUIRE IT TO BE CONSTRUCTED, BUT THAT'S, WE'RE NOT AT THAT PHASE YET OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, THE NEXT QUESTION, DO WE KNOW IF, WHERE WE ARE ON THE, THE ENTRANCE MITIGATION THROUGH EMORY FARMS AT THE ROUNDABOUT WITH THE GATE? I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL SOON.
UM, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY, OUTSIDE OF THIS TEAM, IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT.
CAUSE I THINK THE LAST TIME IT WAS HEARD WAS LAST YEAR SOMETIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT SO THAT THE RESIDENT KNOWS THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DONE WITH EMORY FARMS IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO FIX THAT.
MY LAST THING THAT I HAD WAS, UH, I KNOW THEY WANT TO ZONE THE WHOLE THING.
MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT PRECLUDE HAVING THEM, SINCE THEY'RE DOING BUILD-OUTS SUIT FOR AREA HAVING ANY SLIVER OF COMMERCIAL ALONG ALLIANCE BOULEVARD, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START HAVING ALL THOSE PEOPLE WORKING THERE, NOT HAVING TO DRIVE IMMEDIATELY ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN, TURN ON CHRIS KELLY TO GET OVER TO ANY OR OTHER INTERSECTIONS FOR FAST FOOD OR SOMETHING THERE, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A STARBUCKS THERE, THERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY.
AND IT'S ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD AT LEAST MIRROR COMMERCIAL ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DOES THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ALLOW THAT, OR WE NOW FOREVER CLOSE THAT BY CHANGING THIS, IF WE BRING IT IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, IT'S VERY LIMITED.
AND SO IT WOULDN'T ALLOW THE TYPICAL RETAIL OFFICE USES OR RESTAURANT AND KIND OF SPEAKING TO THAT POINT, UM, SUPPOSEDLY, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE YMC, THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE AND IT WOULD MAKE SOME LOGICAL SENSE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALLIANCE ALONG THERE.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D BE, UM, AMENABLE TO ADDING SOME SUPPORT COMMERCIAL TO THERE.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN AMEND IF THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT CHANGE, THEN IT WOULD BE A STIPULATION THAT WITHIN, BEFORE TO DO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS SPLIT INTO ESSENTIALLY TWO PARTS.
SO ONE IS THE ANNEXATION AND ONE IS THE ZONING CHANGE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND THE MO SORRY.
SO TONIGHT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AMENDMENT, THIS ITEM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A SECOND ITEM FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING.
SO FOR, FOR PO, UH, 4.6, COULD WE APPROVE THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL? YOU COULD, IF YOU WERE TALKING TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE, I MEAN, YOU CAN
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DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU ALSO BRING IN THE APPLICANT ON THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS UNIT.UM, SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE TWO FLUMP FLUMP USES ON THE SAME SITE? YES.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, ESSENTIALLY, ESSENTIALLY.
TAKING THE STRIP ALONG ALIGNING BOULEVARD.
THE REST OF IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR COMMERCIAL OR MULTI-FAMILY OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT TO GIVE UP WHAT THE ONE DRIVABILITY PIECE THAT'S ALREADY CONNECTED TO ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH LOWE'S AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND JUST THROW THAT AWAY FOR COMMERCIAL, I THINK WOULD BE A BAD IDEA FOR THE CITY.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT APPLICANT, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET, BUILD OUT OR, AND STILL GET HIGH REVENUE.
AND IT PROBABLY MIGHT EVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT ALSO MIGHT HELP ON THE TRAFFIC PART FOR THE 18 WHEELERS AND SUCH TO NOT GO THROUGH MY FARMS WITH THAT ONE, SLIVER BEING COMMERCIAL VERSUS MORE INDUSTRIAL TO HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING FROM THAT DIRECTION ANYWAYS, FOR THEM TO GET TO THAT PART OF THE SITE.
SO THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
AND TRADITIONALLY THAT WOULD BE A BUFFER OF SORTS, RIGHT.
BETWEEN EMORY FARMS AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE.
IF THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, A CONVENIENCE STORE IN BETWEEN SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL USE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE.
WE'RE VERY AWARE OF THE DESIRE AND HOW TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
AND I THINK AN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE DID KIND OF COMB THE LLI LAND USE AS I DO.
I DO BELIEVE THAT RETAIL IS ALLOWED AND THERE ARE SOME, IS THERE SOME COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED AND PERMITTED AN LLI.
SO WE, YOU CAN DO A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND YOU CAN DO A PRINT SHOP.
YOU CANNOT DO A RESTAURANT AND YOU CAN'T DO A RETAIL STORE AND YOU CAN'T DO, UM, PERSONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE SHOPS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE WITH OFFICE AND THINGS THAT MAY BE SORT OF A BUFFER THAT DOES EXIST IN THE LA DISTRICT.
UM, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WHICH HAS BEEN, HAD A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME AT THIS POINT, AND THE SELLER, MR. CHANG HAS TRIED TO SELL IT TO THE HEBS OF THE WORLD AND TO, UH, TO RETAIL.
BUT THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S ZERO WAY TO GET AN ACCESS POINT OFF OF 79.
AND SO IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANY SORT OF VIABLE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT, UM, ALONG, YOU KNOW, LIKE LET'S SAY AT THE HARD CORNER OF, OF 79, UM, IT'S JUST NOT DOABLE FROM A ACCESS PERSPECTIVE.
AND IF YOU GO LOOK AT IT, IT'S JUST A BIG, GIANT DEBT.
UM, SO THE CHALLENGE IS THERE ARE VERY CLEAR, I THINK THE IDEA OF, OF PUTTING SOMETHING FURTHER NORTH, UM, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS TRULY A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE INTERMINGLING TRUCK TRAFFIC WITH, UM, COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO.
SO IT WOULD REALLY HAVE TO INCREASE THE CURB CUTS.
UM, CAUSE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND RETAIL TRAFFIC GOING INTO THE SAME, UM, UH, CURB CUT, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE.
NO, I JUST WOULD'VE MADE UP BETWEEN FROM 79 UP TO LIKE ALMOST A LITTLE EQUIVALENT TO WHERE THE YMCA IS.
I DON'T THINK COMMERCIALLY VIABLE PAST YMCAS.
I'M NOT SEEING PAST THE YMCAS FROM THE YMCA THROUGH TO 79 AND I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER IT'S 50 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET FROM, FROM OFF OF, OFF OF ALLIANCE BOULEVARD TO, TO THE WEST THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS IF IT WAS ZONED IN CARVED OUT THAT WAY, COULD THEY STILL THEN COME BACK? IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED AND THEY COULDN'T DO IT THAT THEN IT COULD BE INDUSTRIAL IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, LIKE THEY COULD ASK FOR A REZONING OF THAT ACREAGE BACK, YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOT TO A, IF HE, IF THEY WERE APPROVED, UH, AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, YES.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE WHOLE THING AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE NOTHING THAT PRECLUDED THEM FROM REQUESTING THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS DEVELOPER GIVEN.
I THINK THEY WANT TO UTILIZE THE ENTIRE SITE FOR BUSINESS PARK AND THAT IS PART OF THEIR, THEIR PLAN.
AND THEY'RE PUSHING THIS FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO A MUNICIPAL PLAN QUITE HONESTLY, THAT DIDN'T HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING.
SO I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH IS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY USE THAT COULD, COULD FUNCTION.
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THE MSP CHALLENGE IS A HUGE PIECE.SO CAN YOU ANSWER THEIR QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE FLOOD PLAIN? SURE.
UM, SO I GUESS FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE, UM, ANY OF THE ADDED IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S, UM, ADDED TO THIS SITE WILL BE DETAINED ONSITE.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY INCREASE IN FLOWS ANYWHERE ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN OR ON ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, UM, AND THAT'S STATE LAW.
SO THAT, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE HERE AND, AND IN MANY CASES, AND IN MOST CASES, UM, IT TYPICALLY IMPROVES DRAINAGE OF THE AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE THOSE TYPES OF FACILITIES THERE.
UM, THE CITY OF HADOW, UM, RECENTLY UPDATED, UH, I BELIEVE THE LAST SPEAKER KIND OF BROUGHT, BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, UH, NEW DATA, NEW RAINFALL DATA WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF HUDDLE KNOWN AS ATLAS 14, WHICH BASICALLY REQUIRES THAT THERE IS AN INCREASE IN DETENTION, UM, UH, FOR ANY SORT OF DETENTION PONDS IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO THERE IS A FLOOD PLAIN ON THE SITE.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT ON THE MAP THERE, UH, WE'LL BE COMPLYING WITH ANY AND ALL REGULATIONS THAT COME WITH THAT, UM, WILL ADDITIONALLY BEING, BE DOING FLOOD, UH, FLOOD PLAIN STUDY AND, UM, DRAINAGE MODELING WILL ALL BE DONE IN CONCURRENT WITH THE SITE PLAN.
SO WOULD YOUR, AND THEN THAT'LL COME, SORRY.
THAT'LL COME WITH THE SITE PLAN, NOT CORRECT THIS PORTION AND WE HAVE THE ENGINEER TOO, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD CLAYTON.
UM, SO W CAUSE, CAUSE WHAT HE WAS MENTIONING IS WHEN OTHERS HAVE BUILT IN THEIR KIND OF DRAINING INTO THAT, THAT, UM, FLOODPLAIN.
AND SO IT'S MAKING IT A MORE SUBSTANTIAL FLOOD PLAIN.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I GUESS MY CONCERN FOR THEM IS, IS, IS IF YOU'RE KIND OF UTILIZING THAT ALSO, LIKE WHERE DO YOU PLAN ON DOING YOUR DETENTION PONDS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE CLOSE TO THE FLOOD PLAIN? ARE THEY GOING TO PULL AWAY FROM THE FLOOD PLAIN? UM, JUST TO KIND OF HELP THEIR BUSINESS OUT THAT'S BEEN HERE.
UH, TYPICALLY FLOOD PLAIN DRAINAGE FACILITIES ARE LOCATED JUST WHERE THE SITE NATURALLY DRAINS.
UM, WE HAVE NOT EVEN STARTED TO ENGINEER THE SITE.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY ON THIS SITE.
DO KNOW THAT NO INCREASE IN FLOWS WILL BE, WILL HAPPEN ON THIS SITE AT ALL.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A COLLECTOR BEING ADDED THROUGH HERE.
UM, WOULD THE LOCATION OF THAT BE FURTHER TO THE SOUTH THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE INNOVATION BOULEVARD CONNECTOR TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT THEN EXTENDS OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL BEHIND LIKE STARBUCKS? IS THAT WHERE THE COLLECTOR WILL GO OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT LOCATION, THE REQUIRED ONE THAT YOU SAID THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO? WE DON'T HAVE THE, I, THE IDEAL LOCATION, UH, THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN JUST HAS ESSENTIALLY A DASHED LINE GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY COLLECTOR SOMEWHERE, BUT IT'S IN THERE AND IT'S ON THE LOWER SORT OF SOUTHERN PORTION.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND CROSSING THAT IT'LL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN IT'S DESIGNED.
SO I, I'M GOING TO BRING UP THIS THOUGHT BASED ON THE COMP PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST FOR HEDO AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT THE OTHER THOUGHT WITH THIS IS WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH.
THIS IS, THIS IS LITERALLY THE FRONT DOOR TO HEDO IN A WAY WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DRIVING IN FROM 79 OR ONE 30, AND THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S SEEING.
AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, UM, IS INDUSTRIAL REALLY THE BEST USE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WHEN WE FIRST ENTER THE CITY.
AND, AND I'M SAYING THAT IN THE SENSE OF WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST, UM, SECTION OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WORKS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO COULD HAVE THAT COLLECTOR ROAD LITERALLY CONNECT THE ACCESS ROAD OVER TO LIKE BEHIND STARBUCKS THERE.
AND THEN YOU COULD PUT COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH OF THERE BETWEEN 79 AND THAT NEW COLLECTOR ROAD THERE'D BE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE FLOODING YOU'D HAVE TO ALLEVIATE, BUT THERE IS STILL CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO CONNECTIVITY SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION MAYBE FOR DISCUSSION IS WHAT DO WE IDEALLY WANT TO SEE AS KIND OF A FRONT DOOR AREA FROM WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING THROUGH? YEAH.
I, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT, LOOKING AT THIS AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE, UM,
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A VERY, VERY ROBUST LANDSCAPE ALONG 79, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE HAVING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FOUR-INCH CALIPER TREES PLANTED AND HAVING A VERY CLEAR VISUAL AND VISUAL BUFFER BETWEEN HIGHWAY 79 AND THIS COMMERCIAL PARK OR THIS, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARK AND POSSIBLY DOING THE SAME, A LONG ALLIANCE AND A LONG INNOVATION.SO FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE AREA.
AND THEN YOU GO INSIDE OF THIS AND IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT DRIVING PAST THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD ON THE, WHEN WE START CONSIDERING SITE PLANNING.
BUT THAT, THAT DEFINITELY CROSSED MY MIND.
AND I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT LIGHTS, UM, NOT LIKE STREETLIGHTS.
SO LIKE, UM, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, SORRY, MY BRAIN.
UM, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE USING THE ACCESS POINT FROM ONE 30 COMING OVER TO INNOVATION AND THEN REACHING TO YOUR, ARE Y'ALL PLANNING ON HELPING WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT GOING IN THERE, OR WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR, BUT IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF WARRANT THAT THAT MEETS WARRANTS IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE, WE WOULD LOVE THAT.
UM, SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONTRIBUTE OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND ANY SORT OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IS REALLY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF BOTH THE GREATER HOW-TO AND ALSO US.
SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE PARTNERS WITH YOU GUYS ON, ON THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
SO ANY FURTHER COMMENT, QUESTION DISCUSSION.
SO I WANT TO BRING BACK UP, UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE OF CAR TRAFFIC VERSUS 18 WHEELER TYPE TRAFFIC.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, THERE'S A PLACE IN AUSTIN THAT HAS THE SAME KIND OF SITE AND THEY HAVE PUT A MUSEUM, AN ART MUSEUM IN THERE.
AND SO IT IS A LOT OF CAR TRAFFIC.
AND SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CAR TRAFFIC VERSUS COMMERCIAL CAR TRAFFIC? TH THE DIFFERENCE IS, UM, JUST THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLES.
SO IF THERE'S LIKE 18 WHEELERS COMING INTO THIS SITE, WE DON'T WANT THOSE CO-MINGLING WITH, UM, NORMAL VEHICLES, BUT LIKE THE SITE IN AUSTIN HAS HIM COMMINGLING BECAUSE OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING ON, LIKE WHAT TENANTS HAVE COME INTO THE SITE OR SO THEY ARE COMMINGLING AT THAT SPECIFIC SITE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWED, IT'S JUST A GENERAL SORT OF INDUSTRY STANDARD AND PRACTICE THAT IS, IS TYPICALLY THE, THE IDEAL WAY TO DO IT.
BUT THE ISSUE COMES IS THE WATER WASTEWATER, IF WE PUT COMMERCIAL IN WE'RE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO JUST FORGET THAT GOOD JOB.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.6, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON MOTION, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES.
NEXT ITEM IS 4.7, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE IRON WORD, IRON WOOD TRACT, 117.6, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 79 FROM ETJ TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE SECOND PORTION TO THIS REQUEST.
AGAIN, IT'S IN THE ETJ RIGHT NOW, AND YOU ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE FLUME.
SO NOW YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
UM, THIS AGAIN IS A RECAP OF THE ADJACENT ZONING AND USES.
AND WE DID NOTIFY 53 PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 63 FEET.
WE RECEIVED THE ONE IN OPPOSITION, THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE FROM THE ALMOST ORANGE, AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
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REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:00 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DAYAS.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, I'M JUST GOING TO BRING UP THE SAME COMMENT.
I SAID IN THE LAST ONE, I MEAN, AND THIS MIGHT JUST BE ME, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF GOING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BASED ON WHAT IS BEING BUILT AND THE CONCEPT LOOKS AMAZING, BUT THERE'S A REASON WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IT WAS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THE ENTRANCE TO YOUR CITY.
YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TON OF TRAFFIC IN, AND NOW WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED ULTIMATELY THREE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS THAT, THAT WERE NOT EVEN NECESSARILY THERE WHENEVER WE FIRST CONSIDERED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ACCESS.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THE THING OUT AGAIN TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON IT, OF WHY WE'RE CONVERTING ALL OF THIS TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WHEN IT IS TRULY THE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR CITY, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO LIMOR LOOP, UM, AND POTENTIALLY FURTHER AT SOME POINT, EVEN MORE THAN THAT, UM, WE HAVE A TON OF INDUSTRIAL GOING FURTHER DOWN 79, PROBABLY AT SOME POINT ALL THE WAY FROM, FROM 1660, ALL THE WAY TO TAYLOR IS GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL ALL THE WAY.
IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY, INDUSTRIAL EVERYTHING.
SO I GET THE CONCEPT OF POTENTIALLY DOING THAT FOR A PORTION OF THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT, I'M GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS W WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING UP SOON, WE ARE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND IMPROVING THEM, WHICH WE DO STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO STOP AND BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A MASTER PLAN AND DECIDE IF THIS IS TRULY WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THAT MASTER PLAN, OR IF WE NEED TO RETHINK IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING OTHER USES THAT WOULD WORK WITH, SO HERE'S A QUESTION THAT I THINK MIGHT BE RELEVANT.
THE LAND TO THE WEST OF INNOVATION HAS NOT BEEN ANNEXED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
EXCEPT FOR THE, UM, THE ORANGE HAS BEEN ANNEXED IN IS MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? SO THE ESSENTIALLY THREE PO THREE PARCELS SOUTH OF THAT ARE NOT ZONED ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ANNEXED.
SO IF WE WERE NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EITHER, NO.
SO IT'LL START THE US PRESENTING.
SO I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS AS LONG AS WE'RE KIND OF SHARING THAT SAME VISION OF, YES, WE DO WANT SOMETHING AT THE ENTRANCE TO HUDDLE ASIDE FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND THAT MAY BE THE PLACE TO ADDRESS IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS BECAUSE I'VE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COMMENTS WE GOT BACK, I MEAN, NOBODY'S REALLY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT RIGHT HERE SPECIFICALLY, BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS OF THE VISUALS OF HEADACHES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING WITH HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW IT FLOWS.
AND I MEAN, I GET THAT THOSE OTHER THREE PARCELS ARE THERE, BUT THOSE ARE ALSO LITERALLY ON THE ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO THOSE DON'T WORK AS WELL FOR COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THERE'S LIMITED ACCESS, BUT, BUT LITERALLY THIS PROPERTY HAS TONS OF ACCESS.
I KNOW THERE'S NOT DIRECT 79 ACCESS, BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF ACCESS.
NO, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS BASED ON WHAT IS ACROSS HIGHWAY 79 ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG NATURAL AREA THERE AROUND THE DRAINAGE.
AND IT WOULD, TO ME, IT WOULD FEEL VERY TIED IN IF WE'VE GOT A NATURAL AREA WITH TREES AND OPEN SPACE AND THEN A BUNCH OF TREES ON THE NORTH SIDE AND, OH, HEY, YEAH, THERE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THERE.
SO I THINK IT TIES IN VERY WELL AS OPPOSED TO NATURAL AND IF WE CAN AND IF WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF IT, THEN I SHOULD BE AT THE SITE PLANS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, CAUSE 79, CAUSE IT'S WHEN THEY'D MADE ALL THAT ROAD CHANGE AND THEN THEY DUG DOWN ONE 30 AND YOU CREATED THIS SEPARATION WHERE YOU CAN'T GET IN.
AND OUT OF THAT, LIKE A NORMAL COMMERCIAL, LIKE A LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE A DESTINATION COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
CAUSE CONVENIENCE HAS TO HAVE A FULL ACCESS POINT DIRECTLY ON THE, ON THE SITE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE FULL, DIRECT, FULL ACCESS ON 79, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF TEXTILE GRANT THAT THERE AT ALLIANCE BOULEVARD,
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YOU WON'T GET A CONVENIENCE BASED.IT HAD TO BE A DESTINATION WHICH COULD BEGIN WHICH CON WHICH COULD COME.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, I'D LOVE YOUR IDEA OF THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LANDSCAPED WELL, AND IT HAS THE VISUAL LIKE ENTRANCE LOOK AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT BUFFERED IN THAT SENSE.
AND THEN I KNOW THE BUILDINGS FROM WHAT WE SAW.
I MEAN, THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO MAKE AMAZINGLY GOOD LOOKING BUILDINGS, WHICH I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO.
BUT AS LONG AS THERE IS SOME KIND OF BUFFER THERE THAT WORKS.
I MEAN, AT MINIMUM, BUT MY OTHER THOUGHT IS I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT STILL FITS WITH THE PLAN OF WHAT HEAD OF NEEDS.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD THAT WHAT COMES NEXT? NO, I GET IT WELL.
AND IF IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, COULD WE CONSIDER TALKING? CAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, OFFICE SPACE, MAYBE MAKING THAT FRONT PART, BE MORE OFFICE LOOKING AND THEN KIND OF DO THE LITTLE BIT BIGGER BEHIND IT OR, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
I KIND OF VERIFY THAT THESE ARE ALL, I DON'T WANT YOU TO EVER GET IN A SITUATION WHERE A STAFF GIVES YOU A HUDDLE CROSSING MOMENT.
UM, WE CAN TALK, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, BUT THEY ALL WILL COME UP AT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PHASE AND YOU ALL WILL NOT SEE THEM.
THEY WILL MEET OUR, IF THERE'S ZONE STRAIGHT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THEY'LL MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO EVER CREATE THAT SITUATION WHERE YOU THINK WE DISCUSSED SOMETHING AND, AND WE FAILED TO GET THAT FOR YOU.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IF YOU RESOUND RECOMMEND REZONING THEM TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THEY'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO MEET ALL THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS.
AND, AND SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WHILE WE CAN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THEM AND ASK THEM, THEY CAN SAY, NO, I JUST WANT TO, RIGHT.
AMANDA'S TEAM HAS BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT PRODUCTS IN THE PAST.
AND SO, AND I KNOW YOU LOVE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH US.
AND SO JUST THE CONVERSATION IS JUST HAVING AN OPEN DIALOGUE.
CAUSE I KNOW YOU, YOU ARE GREAT AT TAKING THINGS BACK IN AND REALLY CARING WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
ABSOLUTELY I'M TAKING GOOD NOTES AND WE'RE DEFINITELY TAKING ALL THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY THE LANDSCAPING AND THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF.
THESE, I MEAN, TODAY YOU GO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE BUILDINGS AND THEY LOOK, THEY'RE VERY CLASSY.
THEY LOOK LIKE OFFICES AND WE CERTAINLY WILL BUILD THIS TO ACCOMMODATE OFFICES THAT MAY VERY WELL BE WHO IS OCCUPIES THESE BUILDINGS.
AND WE DEFINITELY WANT IT TO LOOK NICE.
UM, AND CERTAINLY, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL.
OUR INDUSTRIAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS PRETTY INTENSE.
THEY'LL MOST LIKELY COME HERE FOR A VARIANCE.
THAT WAS ABOUT AS MULTIFAMILY 15% AND THEY CAN DO 50% FEE IN LIEU.
WE'VE SEEN THAT ONCE WITH TITANS.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MEET IT.
SO WE'LL SEE IN A LITTLE BIT, I HOPE NOT, BUT NO, I MEAN, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER LAURIER, WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
I MEAN, THAT'S EVEN A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL, CAUSE I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ANOTHER THING WAS, UM, CO UM, CO-WORKING SPACE OR REMOTE WORKING SPACE TYPE OF THING.
SO I MEAN, IF EVEN IF THE FRONT EDGE COULD BE LIKE THE NICE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THEN LIKE SOME TYPE OF MID, MID RANGE OFFICE SPACE FOR LIKE COWORKING SPACE, BECAUSE THEN YOU DO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO COMMERCIAL NEXT DOOR FOR, FOR QUICK ACCESS WALKING OR WHATEVER FOR FOOD AND SHOPPING AND EVERYTHING.
UM, AND I KNOW WE HAS, AS A AUTUMN MENTIONED, WE CAN'T REALLY DICTATE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT IDEALLY JUST BASED ON WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE WANTING, WE WOULD JUST RECOMMEND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, KIND OF IN A STAGE OF WHERE YOU START WITH THE NICE, THE NICE LOOK AND THEN MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LOWER RANGE, UM, USE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ACTUAL INDUSTRIAL SEMI-TRUCK BAY INDUSTRIAL BEHIND IT.
AND I THINK THIS SITE IS OF A SIZE THAT ALLOW, I MEAN, THE INTENT IS FOR ALL OF THE LOADING TO BE INTERNAL.
SO NONE OF THE LOADING WILL BE FACING, UM, UH, ALLIANCE OR, OR 79 AS OF NOW.
AND WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE SITE, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET ALL THE LOADING TO BE INTERNAL.
SO IT'S NOT VISUALLY, I'M SEEING FROM ONE 30 OR FROM 79 AND KIND OF ON, I KNOW THIS ISN'T EXACT AGENDA ITEM, BUT FOR THE SITE PLANNING, UM, I THINK THERE ARE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO THE NORTH AND NOT MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES THERE, I THINK WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING TO THE NORTH INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DESIGN OF THIS SITE MUCH APPRECIATED.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM,
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THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I MOVED THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL HIGH SECOND.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES.
ZERO NEXT ITEM, 4.8 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED GOAL OF PHASE TWO FINAL PLAT 34.17, THREE ACRES.
152 RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED ON FM 16, 60 SOUTH.
THE GOAL OF PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 190 ACRES AND INCLUDES 576 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, 15 OPEN SPATES LOTS AND ONE A MINUTE.
THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN MAY OF 2021 AND IT WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.
THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED IN MAY OF 2021 AS WELL.
ZBA GRANTED A VARIANCE CONCERNING THE RIPARIAN SETBACK FOR COTTONWOOD CREEK AND BRUSHY CREEK FOR THIS PLAT ON DECEMBER 1ST, THIS PHASE TWO INCLUDES 148 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FOR OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, LOTS.
THIS IS HARD TO SEE, BUT JUST FOR, UM, THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
THE FULL PLAT, THE PLAT, UM, DOES HAVE A PLENTITUDE OF OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
AND SO WE ARE AS A STAFF RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS PLAT BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING CONCERNING DRAINAGE AND STREET DESIGN.
UM, AND I HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER EXTRAORDINARY ON BORROW FORM GARVER HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM HAND PAT WOMACK, UM, HE HAS BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO STAY FOR THE MEETING, IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP OR IF YOU'D LIKE SOME OTHER CLARIFICATION FOR SOME OF THESE COMMENTS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
UM, I HAVE A GENERAL PROCEDURAL QUESTION ON THIS.
IF A REQUEST COMES FORWARD WITH THIS LEVEL OF INCOMPLETENESS OR INCORRECTNESS, DOES THE SHOT CLOCK START THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? UH, THE WAIVER TO THE, UM, 30 DAY APPROVAL HAS NOT BEEN FINED AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS FOLLOWING.
AND SO WE'RE FORCED TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO RESUBMIT.
I HAVE TO RESUBMIT AND RESTART A NEW SHOT CLOCK.
JUST PROCEDURAL WASN'T WASN'T QUITE SURE ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? UM, I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ENGINEER LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.
I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE GARAGES LATER ON IN, IN THE, IN THE MEETING.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, IF WE DENY THIS AND THEN PASS THE GARAGE, UM, CHANGE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY TO WHATEVER THAT CHANGES.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? UH, NO, THEY WOULD ALREADY BEEN PRELIMINARY PLOTTED, SO THEY'RE VESTED.
SO THEY WILL BE COMING BACK TO US FOR VARIANTS.
THIS IS REALLY A CIRCUMSTANCE WELL, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND BRING YOU FORWARD A PLAT TO APPROVE, BUT WE CANNOT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.
UH, YEAH, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT, BUT JUST FALL, I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE PLANNING TO ADDRESS THE, THE OPEN SPACE ISSUES? BECAUSE I KNOW WE IDENTIFIED AT SOME OTHER POINT THAT THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PHASES, THERE'S REALLY VERY MINIMAL PARKS OR OPEN SPACES BESIDES THAT ONE LARGE ONE TO THE EAST.
UM, SO, UM, I'M ASSUMING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PART OF THE REVIEW WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THEY, UM, GOT APPROVED.
THEY NEGOTIATED SOME OF THEIR OPEN SPACE AND SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT.
SO WHAT THEY HAVE MEETS THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED.
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OKAY.THERE WERE CHIEFS, LET'S PUT IT ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE 4.8.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CLARK TO DENY AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING A DENIAL, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION IS APPROVED SEVEN ZERO.
THE NEXT ITEM IS 4.9 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED GOAL OF PHASE THREE FINAL PLAT 21.8, THREE EIGHT ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND, 131 RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED ON FM 16, 60 SOUTH.
SO THIS AGAIN IS PART OF THE GOAL OF PROPERTY.
UM, THIS PHASE THREE INCLUDES THE 126 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FIVE OPEN SPACE DRAINAGE, LOTS.
THIS IS A LOOK OF THAT CEDAR FORK ROAD AS THE NORTH BOUNDARY TO THIS ONE THAT MEETS TO FM 1660.
AGAIN, THIS ONE HAS A VARIETY OF OUTSTANDING COMMENTS AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS PLAT AS WELL.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FOURTH BULLET.
SO STREET CORNERS THAT INTERSECTION SHOULD HAVE A 15 FOOT RADIUS, MULTIPLE CORNERS ON THIS FINAL PLAT HAVE A 12.5 RADIUS CURIOUS, HAS THAT CHANGED RECENTLY? IT HAS NOT CHANGED.
THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ACTUALLY PROVIDES A RANGE.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE CITY ENGINEERS HAVE DECIDED THAT WE NEED TO USE THE HIGHER OF THAT RANGE, THE BETTER OF THAT RANGE.
AND THAT IS WHY, UM, AND IT MAY BE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH APPLICANT, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO USE THE, THE HIGHER OF THE TWO.
SO THE 12.5 DOES FALL WITHIN THE RANGE, BUT THE CITY ENGINEER IS RECOMMENDING WE NOT USE THAT LOWER NUMBER.
I WAS CURIOUS WHY THEY WOULD PUT 12.5 IF THE STANDARD IS 15, RIGHT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON 4.9, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVED THAT WE DENIED BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOYER TO DENY 4.9 AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHORT FAILURE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AGAIN, I VOTE ON THIS ONE IS TO DENY.
SO I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES.
SEVEN ZERO BRINGS US TO 4.1, FOUR POINT 10 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED COTTONWOOD CREEK PHASE FIVE FINAL PLAT 60.78, FIVE ACRES.
146, RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED SOUTH OF CR 1 32 AND NORTH OF FM 1660 SOUTH.
SO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PLAT IS PART OF THE COTTONWOOD CREEK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED.
IT CONTAINS 987 SINGLE FAMILY LOGS TO AMENITY LOTS 22 OPEN SPACE, LOTS.
UM, PHASES ONE THROUGH FOUR HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
FINAL PLOT IN THIS PHASE, FIVE CONTAINS 142 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS, ONE AMENITY LOT AND THREE OPEN SPACE, LOTS PHASE SIX IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
AND THEN SEVEN THROUGH EIGHT REMAINED TO BE FINAL PLOTTED.
THIS IS, UM, LOOK AT THE FINAL PLAT.
WE DO HAVE A VARIETY OF, UH, OUTSTANDING CONDITIONS ON
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THIS PLOT AS WELL.ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS BEING THAT THIS PROPOSED FINAL PLAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MATCH THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT VANTAGE DRIVE TO THE NORTH, UM, DID WAS THE ROAD THAT CONNECTED TO, UM, TO THE EAST.
AND NOW THEY HAVE CHANGED THAT TO CARNEGIE DRIVE AND CARNEGIE DRIVE IS VERY CLOSE TO, UM, FUTURE RIGHT AWAY.
THEY ALSO HAVE THIS OPEN SPACE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A FEATURE RIGHT AWAY.
SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.
WE'VE RELAYED THOSE TO THE ENGINEER AND WE DO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
AND AGAIN, A QUESTION THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED CORRECTLY ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, UM, HAD VANTAGE VANTAGE DRIVE IN CARNEGIE OR DO NOT MATCH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PER THIS VINYL PLOT DOES NOT MATCH.
AND SO THEY EITHER NEED TO REVISE THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT OR MATCH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND I THINK IN SOME INSTANCES IT COULD BE A WIGGLE, A CHANGE OF A LOT IS FINE, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, CARNEGIE IS MUCH CLOSER TO THAT NEW PROPOSED ROAD THAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE.
YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
IT'S THE SAME APPLICANT AS THE PREVIOUS TWO PLOTS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON FOUR POINT 10, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, UM, THIS AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CLARK, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
UH, THEN AS A REMINDER AND I VOTE IS TO DENY I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES.
NEXT ITEM IS FOUR POINT 11 CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED COTTONWOOD CREEK PHASE SIX FINAL PLAT 36.373 ACRES OF LAND MORE OR LESS 123, RESIDENTIAL, LOTS LOCATED SOUTH OF CR 1 32 AND NORTH OF FM 1660 SOUTH.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PLANT HAS TO DO WITH THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
AGAIN, UM, THIS PHASE SIX CONTAINS 120 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS AND THREE OPEN SPACE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A LOOK AT THE PROPOSED PLAT, HAVE A VARIETY OF OUTSTANDING COMMENTS THAT HAD BEEN UNADDRESSED AT THIS TIME.
AND WE DO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS PLOT AS WELL.
UH, QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A COUNT OF HOW MANY BULLETS THAT IS? 25.
YEAH, I, CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK AGAIN, PROCEDURAL QUESTION? SURE.
WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE OF THESE COMING THROUGH WHERE WE'RE HAVING THIS ISSUE.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THESE ACTUALLY WERE PUSHED OVER FROM APRIL SINCE WE COULD NOT HAVE THE APRIL MEETING.
IS THERE A REASON WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE OF THESE WITH THE COMMENTS AREN'T ADDRESSED ONLY SEEING THIS HAPPEN WITH ONE PARTICULAR ENGINEER FROM ONE PARTICULAR FIRMS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S ONLY BEEN ONE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION COMMENT? UM, FOUR POINT 11, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO I HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY COMMISSIONER BOYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEE, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.
AGAIN, REMINDER AND I VOTE IS TO DENY.
I WILL CALL THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NEXT IS FOUR POINT 12 CONSIDERATION.
IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED URBANA AT COTTONWOOD CREEK PRELIMINARY PLAT 43.5, TWO ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND, ONE MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL LOT, AND ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED OFF OF CR 1 99.
UH, SO THIS IS THE ARBANA SITE AND I BELIEVE YOU ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
THERE WAS A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT APPROVED LAST SEPTEMBER FOR THIS, AND IT'S A MULTIFAMILY AND A COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
IT INCLUDES 310 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH THE BASE ZONING AND MULTIFAMILY ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND THEN 10.2 ACRES OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL
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ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE.THERE'S RIGHT-AWAY DEDICATION FOR THE FRONT STREET EXPANSION THAT MATCHES OUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND FRONT STREET IS PROJECT A 55.
IT'S A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADWAY.
IT'S 44 FEET OF PAVEMENT WITH WITHIN A 69 FOOT OF RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO THEIR PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT DIVIDES THIS PROPERTY INTO THE TWO LOTS, THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE COMMERCIAL PORTION, AND THEN PROVIDES DEDICATES RIGHT AWAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT IN YOUR PACKET WHERE THE COMMERCIAL, THE LOT ONE BLOCK A AND THEN LOT TWO BLOCK IS THE MULTI-FAMILY.
THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON THIS ONE IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
WE SENT NOTICES TO OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT.
WHAT'S THE CONDITION THAT THE TIA CALLS PARTICIPATION DETERMINATION WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE FINALIZED PRIOR TO THE FINAL PLAT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I KNOW IT'S GOING TO WAIT UNTIL IT GOES TO SITE PLAN, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN NOT OFF OF 16, 60, AND TURN RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION FOR THEIR TRAFFIC FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEY HAVE TO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FURTHER ON THAT THEY HAVE TO GO OUT TO, UM, SO YOUR 1 99, WELL, 1 32 TO CR 1 99.
WELL, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE OVER ALL THOUGH, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS I LIVE OVER 1 99 AND THAT ROAD IS COMPLETE GARBAGE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FROM TWO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED VERY SOON, HOW WE'RE GOING TO START FIXING THOSE ROADWAYS BEFORE WE START GETTING MORE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON THEM.
SO JUST FOR THE, UM, COMMISSIONS BENEFIT THAT HAS COME UP AT COUNCIL PRIOR FOR 1 99 IN THAT 1 32 PORTION.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT ALSO CAME UP AT THE PUD APPROVAL THAT THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE WOULD LIKELY BE THAT EATON, UM, EAST TWICE PORTION OF FRONT STREET, BECAUSE IT WOULD GO RIGHT INTO THEIR SITE.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T FURTHER COMPLICATE ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN FURTHER SOUTH OF THAT.
OR THEY COULD TAKE 1 32, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT DEPENDING ON TIMING OF STREET CONSTRUCTION AND THE REST ON THAT, HOW THAT LOOKS, IT MAY HAVE TO COME FROM THE SOUTH BECAUSE GETTING OVER THAT RAIL LINE IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT IN THE MORNING.
UM, IS THERE ANY, WHEN THEY START THAT REGARDLESS, UM, ARE WE ABLE TO DO THE PAINTING STRIPES LIKE THEY DID ON THE GYM CAGE INTERSECTION FOR THE 1660, UNTIL WE CAN DO THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS? I WOULD HOPE SOME OF THAT'S USUALLY JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING IN THE PROJECT SCOPE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
OH, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN ON FRONT STREET, I'M JUST WANTING TO CLARIFY, THEY'RE ONLY IMPROVING FRENCH STREET IN FRONT OF THEIR SPECIFIC PLAT.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUILDING IT OUT TO THE PLAT THAT'S TO THE EAST, CORRECT? THEY WOULDN'T, THEY'D ONLY BE IMPROVING IT, UM, ON THEIR PORTION AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE CAN, UH, REQUEST OF THEM.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
I MEAN THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WILL STILL HAVE TO USE EITHER 1 32 TO 1 99, OR WE'LL HAVE TO USE FRENCH STREET FROM 1660, CORRECT.
AND 16, 60, I BELIEVE IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT COUNCIL, UH, COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH PORTION OF 16, 60, AND THEN THROUGH, SEE IT'S JUST A RIGHT TURN.
UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST STRAIGHT INTO THE SITE.
SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AT COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING, THERE'S NO PLAN RIGHT NOW FOR FRENCH STREET OR 1 99, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
UM, I CAN CERTAINLY, IF I CAN GET AN UPDATE FROM THE ENGINEERING OR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM, I CAN SEND OUT A, UM, JUST AN UPDATE TO THE COMMISSION.
I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANYTHING ON THE CA NOW I KNOW THAT IT, UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BECAUSE OF IT, BUT, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED INTERNALLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WELL ALSO, AND I KNOW THIS, SORRY, THIS IS WAY OFF OF SCOPE, BUT I KNOW WE'VE ALSO TALKED AT SOME POINT ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS TO THE SOUTH ABOUT WORKING WITH THEM, THAT ONCE THEY ARE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION TO ACTUALLY HELP FIX WHAT THEY'VE PARTIALLY CAUSED, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE PROOF LIVING THERE THAT THEY HAVE CAUSED NUMEROUS ISSUES THEMSELVES WITH THEIR OWN CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS.
UM, SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK ON IN THE FUTURE FOR LIKE AT LEAST 1 99 AND 1 32 AFTER STORE IT BACK TO THE CONDITION IT WAS AT, AT LEAST I CAN CERTAINLY PASS UP THAT CONCERN ONTO THE PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS.
BEFORE THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
I AGREE, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN SOME PLACES, THE ROADS, NOT EVEN WIDE ENOUGH FOR A CAR WITHOUT GOING INTO A POT HOLE, THE ROAD BEING GONE.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING UP 16, 60, WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? ARE THEY GOING DOWN CARLOS STIR? LIKE, IS THAT THE PLAN
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CARLSON? HONESTLY NOT SURE.UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR PLOTS OF WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH.
THEY TYPICALLY LOOK AT IT DURING THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID SCHOOL ZONES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION SPECTERS, AND EVERYBODY WHO RUNS THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THEY LOOK AT A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF HOW WHAT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO GET THEM IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE, KNOWING THAT THERE'S THOSE BIG TRUCKS INVOLVED.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
CAUSE BOTH REAL OPTIONS WOULD BE EITHER YOU'RE GOING BY FARLEY OR YOU'RE GOING BY THE HIGH SCHOOL IN WHICH WOULD BE WORSE.
SO BOTH WAYS HAVE SCHOOL ZONES, THAT'S MORE WHAT I WAS KIND OF LIKE, HMM.
DO WE HAVE A TCP REQUIREMENT FOR PRE-CON OR WHATNOT? THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN.
IS THAT GONNA BE ADDRESSED WHEN THE STAGE REVIEW AND DURING THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN? OKAY.
THEY'LL GO OVER THE WHOLE THING AND SEE WHICH WAY YOU CAN COME IN, AVOID THIS AREA, AVOID THAT AREA, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CAPTURED.
UM, SO A COUPLE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, I AM GLAD THAT THEY HAVE NOW ADDED THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE WEST AND THE SOUTH, WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POD REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S GOOD THAT THEY'VE ADDED THAT.
UM, I AM CURIOUS WHY THE VERBIAGE HAS REMOVED.
THAT'S USUALLY STANDARD ABOUT, UM, SIDEWALKS ON FRONTING STREETS.
UM, SO FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, BASED ON THE LACK OF THAT NOTE, THERE IS NO PLAN TO, TO ADD SIDEWALK ALONG THE WEST OR THE SOUTH.
UM, AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT I WAS TOLD THAT BASED ON THE SPEEDS OF THOSE ROADS, THAT SIDEWALKS AREN'T NECESSARILY ADVISED, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SPEEDS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDUCED SOON WITH ADDITIONAL STOP SIGNS AND LIGHTS AND STUFF.
SO IS THERE A REASON THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ADDING SIDEWALKS TO THE NO SIDEWALKS ARE STILL REQUIRED AND SITE PLAN PHASE? UM, OKAY.
CAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS READING THROUGH IT SPECIFICALLY REMOVED AS ONE OF THE NOTES.
AND I KNOW BECAUSE I REMOVED IT FROM, FROM, FROM THE ACTUAL PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE NOTES NOT INCLUDED, IT'S NOT INCLUDED AS A NOTE, THIS PARTICULAR.
IT'S PROBABLY HONESTLY A NOTE THAT WAS MISSED ON THE INCLUSION.
YOU CAN ADD IT BACK OR YOU CAN MAKE IT A CONDITION BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS ON PURPOSE.
THIS PARTICULAR GROUP HAS NOT WORKED HERE IN THE CITY OR YEAH, I'M JUST MAKING, I'M JUST MAKING SURE.
CAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE STILL BATTLING A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT AREN'T LISTENING TO THAT SAME REQUIREMENT, BRIAN, I THINK I MISSED THE FIRST PART.
NOTE EIGHT SAYS SIDEWALKS SO WE CAN SHOW IT ON BOTH SIDES OF ALL STREETS WITHIN INBOUNDING, THE SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
SO NORMALLY THERE'S A NOTE NINE THAT SAYS IT WILL BE ON ALL FRONTING STREETS, FRONTING STREET, THE MEANING IN THIS CASE 1 9, 9 FRONT STREET AND UM, WELL, 1 99 IN FRONT STREET.
SO TH THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THIS, THIS, THESE PLAT NOTES, MAKE IT A CONDITION.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I HAVE A LOT OF PASSION FOR THIS CAUSE I LIVE TO THE SOUTH OF HERE.
UM, ALSO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNOW AT THE MOMENT THAT THEY HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK TO THE EAST AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S PROBABLY REASONS FOR WHATEVER EASEMENTS OR WHATEVER.
UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM ENSURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY ADD SOME TYPE OF MULTI-USE PATH ON THAT SIDE? AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THIS IS IT ORIGINALLY WAS GOING TO BE A PRIVATE FENCED PROPERTY, MEANING YOU CAN'T PEDESTRIANS CAN'T PASS THROUGH IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH.
SO UNLESS THEY HAD SOME TYPE OF MULTI-USE PATH TO THE EAST, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO WAY FOR THE 1600 RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE WITHIN THAT PUD, NOT ON THE PLAT, UM, THAT WE WOULD WORK OUT DURING SITE PLANNING.
CAUSE WE CAN HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THERE.
CAUSE I REMEMBER AT THE PD, I BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ADDED IT TO THE VERBIAGE.
UM, AND THEN CONFIRM THAT, IS THERE ONLY ONE RESIDENTIAL ACCESS POINT NOW TO THE SOUTH? IS THERE NO LONGER AN ACCESS POINT TO THE NORTH BECAUSE THEY SEE THERE'S THE COMMERCIAL ACCESS POINT, BUT THERE PREVIOUSLY WAS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL ACCESS POINT IN THAT LITTLE KIND OF TOP BOOT AREA, BUT IT'S NO LONGER SHOWING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE KNOWING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ORIGINALLY THERE WAS ANOTHER ACCESS POINT RIGHT HERE.
AND I KNOW LIMITING ALL OF THIS TO JUST ONE ACCESS POINT ACROSS FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN HERE
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IS GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES.SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, WAS THERE A REASON THAT WAS REMOVED BECAUSE OF ENGINEERING COMMENTS OR IF IT WAS JUST AN OVERLOOK? POTENTIALLY.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REASON THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHOUT A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT.
ANYWAY, IT MAY BE THAT EXACTLY.
THEN I'M JUST, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS, THAT IT'S ADDRESSED SOMEHOW.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST, SORRY, THE LAST NOTE I HAVE IS DRAINAGE.
SO LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE DIAGRAM, UM, THAT THEY IS PART OF THE PACKET.
UM, MOST OF THE DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO THE SOUTH, UM, WHICH IS ALL GOING TO GO INTO 1 99, UM, AREA, UH, RIGHT NOW 1 99 HAS NO CAPABILITY OF HOLDING ANY RUNOFF AND WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO THE SOUTH, THEY HAVE NOT BUILT UP ANY OF THE RESIDENCES.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN HIGH ENOUGH AT THE MOMENT FOR CURRENT CONDITIONS.
SO IS, IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AS PART OF 1 99 OR WITHIN THEIR OWN BOUNDARY.
SO, UM, I'M SEEING, I'M SEEING RETENTION FIVE, I'M SEEING TWO, UH, TWO PONDS, ONE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, ONE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
YEAH, THE TWO RETENTION PONDS.
SO THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DO AN ONSITE, WHICH WILL LOOK NICE THROUGH THE FENCING ON THAT ALONE.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT.
UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON FOUR POINT 12.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM FOUR POINT 12 WITH THE ADDITIONS OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITION THAT TIA COST'S PARTICIPATION DETERMINATION WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT AND THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT NOTE IS ADDED BACK TO ENSURE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE ADDED ALONG ALL FRONTING STREETS.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SEVEN ZERO, NEXT ITEM FOUR POINT 14, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE POST HEIGHTENED INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK PHASE TWO LUMINARY PLANT REVISION NUMBER 2 46 0.649 ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND THREE INDUSTRIAL LOTS LOCATED SOUTH OF LIMOR LOOP AND INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND COMMISSIONER.
SO THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING TO MEET OUR PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS.
NO ACTIONISTS REQUESTED AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:38 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:38 PM.
NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.
AND FINALLY WE HAVE FOUR POINT 15, EXCUSE ME, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR UDC AMENDMENT AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
2020 ADDITION AS AMENDED CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 10.40 6.3, SINGLE HOUSEHOLD DETACHED AND TWO TO FOUR HOUSEHOLD RESIDENCE DESIGN TO AMEND REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGE ROLL WITH AND TO ADD LANGUAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL ALLEYS.
COULD YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS, UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT WITH THOSE 45 FOOT LOTS.
UM, SO WE ALLOW 45 FOOT LOTS ANYWHERE IN THE CITY BY RIGHT.
UM, BUT IT'S ONLY INFERRED IN THE CODE THAT THOSE REALLY NEED TO BE ALLEY LOADED.
AND SO ONCE YOU PLOT THOSE 45 FOOT BLOCKS, YOU CAN NO LONGER ACTUALLY FIT A HOME THAT MEETS THE UDC REQUIREMENTS ON THAT LOT.
SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF VARIANCES.
A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THE PDS COME THROUGH.
I KNOW MOST OF YOU WERE ON THIS COMMISSION.
UM, WHEN LAMAR CAME BACK THROUGH ON THEIR COTTONWOOD CREEK PUD TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES CAUSE THEY EVEN HAD SMALLER, LOTS THAN THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT AS A STAFF INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES, LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANTED.
SO, UM, ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE, UM, SO ADDING A BULLET POINT TO THE SECTION, A LOT DIMENSIONS JUST AS A MOVING FORWARD, SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS THAT ARE 45 FOOT, 45 FEET OR LESS SHALL HAVE REAR LOADING GARAGES.
AND THAT JUST GETS RID OF THAT REQUIREMENT AT 50 FOOT GARAGE
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FRONTAGE.UM, AND IT'S VERY CLEAR FOR WHAT WE WANT.
WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE REWRITING THE UDC, BUT AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IT DOES GET IT CLEAR.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST SAY, BUT WE CAN'T HOLD THEM TO ON THAT PLATTING PROCESS.
UM, COMMISSIONER LEE, I THINK I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION EARLIER.
THIS MEANS THAT WE CAN'T MAKE ANYBODY REPLAT WITH A 45 FOOT LOT, BUT THAT 50 FOOT THAT I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND, WE'LL STILL, UM, APPLY.
SO WE WON'T HAVE VARIANCES OR AS MANY VARIANCES ON THOSE LOTS.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION FROM BEFORE.
WE WON'T MAKE ANYBODY REPLAT TO MEET THAT 45 FOOT LOT REQUIREMENT NOW.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GARAGE FRONTAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO.
SO, SO, SO ULTIMATELY JUST THOSE LIKE COUPLE THAT ARE KIND OF THE, IN BETWEEN RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD STILL JUST HAVE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE.
NO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD, BUY, RIGHT? IF THIS GOES THROUGH ALL THE WAY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO END UP GETTING ALMOST 600 VARIANCES AND THAT'S FUN, BUT NO, THANK YOU.
IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING I'M IT.
WE HAVE 16 ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD WITHOUT HAVING CBA HAVE TO MEET, UM, CONSTANTLY.
SO THE OTHER PORTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE FROM THE CODE ON THE FRONT LOADING GARAGES, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS A FRONT LOADING GARAGE OR THE AREA, INCLUDING THE GARAGE DOOR IN FOUR FEET OR UP TO FOUR FEET AROUND THE GARAGE DOOR, WHICHEVER IS WIDER MAY OCCUPY NO MORE THAN 50%.
NOW THERE IS A PORTION IN THE CODE THAT ACTUALLY SAYS PART OF THE, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WHEN THIS UDC WAS WRITTEN IS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GARAGES FACING THE STREET.
WELL, 50 FOOT, 50% DIDN'T CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE GARAGES.
WE DIDN'T GET ANY DIFFERENT LOOKING HOMES.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING A LOT OF THE J SWAIN GARAGES.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING ACTUALLY IS THE, THERE IS SOME CONFUSION, I THINK, ON THE BUILDERS SIDE.
AND THEN THERE'S, IT GETS INTO ARBITRARINESS WITH THE STAFF ON THE REVIEW BECAUSE WELL, THIS PART ISN'T REALLY COVERED, AND THIS IS PART OF THE FOREFOOT OR UP TO THE FOREFOOT.
SO WHAT REALLY COUNTS FOR THIS? UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, THIS DIAGRAM IN THERE.
SO YOU KIND OF KNOW ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MEASURING, BUT IF THEY HAVE A FRONT PORCH ELEMENT THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM PART OF THAT FOUR FEET POTENTIALLY.
SO SOME HOUSES CAN MEET SOME DON'T MEET, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE THAT MEETS AND ONE THAT DOES IT.
SO ONE OF THESE MEETS AND ONE OF THEM DOESN'T AND THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE.
I THINK ONE IS 50 POINT 11% AND IT HAS TO BE 50%.
SO 50.1%, NOT EVEN ROUNDED, WE'LL GET THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT TO BE DENIED.
AND THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT, WHICH VISUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ALMOST A, JUST AS WIDE GARAGE WITH, EVEN WITH THAT FRONT PORCH ELEMENT, THAT ONE PASSES.
SO FOR THIS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY A 16 FOOT GARAGE DOOR.
WE'LL MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR THE BUILDERS.
WE'LL GET RID OF THAT UP TO FOUR FEET.
IT REALLY GETS US ALIGNED WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS KIND OF DOING.
NOT THAT WE WANT TO BE EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT CERTAINLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSING CRUNCHES THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IN THE RISING COSTS, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ASK EACH DEVELOPER, YOU NEED TO BE A LOT MORE CREATIVE.
IF WE WANTED TO ALLEY LOADED, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR HIGHLY LOADED, THEY CAN MAKE THOSE PRODUCTS AND THEY HAVE THAT USUALLY IN THERE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THOSE PLANS ALREADY MADE, BUT TRYING TO RECREATE ONE OF THESE HOMES JUST TO MAKE IT FIT INTO THE HEADER, UDC REQUIREMENTS IS DIFFICULT AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE TO GO BACK OUT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REALLY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF HOMES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR EACH PLAT SECTION.
UM, SO THEY START TO REALLY GET INTO THAT CRUNCH OF HOW MANY ELEVATIONS DO WE HAVE TO HAVE? HOW MANY HOMES DO WE HAVE TO OFFER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, STAY AWAY FROM THE VARIANCES.
AND BECAUSE WE WERE NOT CLEAR IN THE CODE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT ALLEY LOADED, LOTS ON THIS 45 SETS ACTUALLY TAKES CARE OF A LOT OF THOSE VARIANCES.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
IS IT GOING TO, UM, WELL FIRST I GUESS WE NEED TO, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THIS REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:44 PM.
IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:44 PM AND OPENING IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DYESS.
SO DOES THIS CHANGE THE VARIANT OF THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AT ANY POINT? OKAY.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET RED.
THERE'S A SIX FOOT PROTRUSION PORTION AND WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S STILL REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO YOU DON'T WANT WHAT PEOPLE WOULD CALL SNOUT HOUSES.
YOU DON'T WANT THE GARAGES TO COME OUT 12, 18 FEET IN FRONT, UNLESS THERE'S SOME REALLY STYLIZED ARCHITECTURE, THEY'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NARROW CONDOS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THROUGH A PUD.
UM, THIS STILL MAINTAINS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE BACK FURTHER, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS HUGE THING BECAUSE REALLY YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
AND IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH ANY OF THE COMMUNITIES HERE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY, I'M NOT SEEING A DECREASE IN THE VISUALS ON GARAGES, RIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T DOING THAT BECAUSE MY HOUSE HAS THAT NIGHT.
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UM, WITH THIS CHANGE FOR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BUNCH OF DEVELOPERS THAT WERE ABOUT TO COME UP TO 600 LOTS.YOU JUST SAID, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SWITCH TO THIS OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK OUT WITH A NEW DESIGN OR SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO WITH MOST OF THEIR, I THINK MOST OF THEIR CURRENT FOUR POINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE AT THAT POINT.
SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANS THAT THEY HAD ON DECK THAT THEY HAD PLANNED AND THAT THEY WERE ALREADY BUILDING WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, SO THE VERBIAGE YOU HAD SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS OF OTHER WITH 45 FOOT OR LESS, UM, BASED ON THE TABLE ABOUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANYTHING LESS THAN 45 FOOT ANYMORE.
CORRECT? WE DON'T, BUT WE DO IN PUD SOME OF THE TIME.
SO I WANTED TO JUST LEAVE THAT IN AS THE, OR LESS THAN ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE OR LESS EVER ALLOWED.
UM, WE WOULD COVER IT IN A PD, BUT THAT PD THEN ALSO SAYS, IF IT'S NOT COVERED AS PD, YOU HAVE TO FALL BACK TO THE UDC.
SO JUST AS A SAFE MEASURE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS GOT THAT COVERED, THAT IF WE'RE DOING REALLY SMALL LOTS, WE'D RATHER SEE THAT GARAGE IN THE BACK OR ARE SEPARATED OR SOMETHING.
I WAS JUST VERIFYING THAT AT LEAST IN THE UDC, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANYTHING LESS THAN 45 FOOT, CORRECT.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT, UM, IT WAS REALLY JUST A, KIND OF A FAIL SAFE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DIDN'T CATCH IT A PD FOR SOME REASON, UM, THAT IT WOULD FALL BACK TO THAT ONE.
BUT HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO LOOK AT SOME AREAS MAYBE I GUESS, WITH A PUD OR SOMETHING WE COULD, IT HAVING A TINY HOMES EVER BECOMES A THING IN THIS AREA.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AT LEAST CONTEMPLATE EITHER IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING UP, BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENCE OF HOUSING CHOICES OR, UM, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING IN THE UDC REWRITE THAT'LL COME AFTER THE COMP PLAN.
WELL, SO, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TINY HOMES TOO, THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS, I MEAN, IF YOU TRULY HAVING TINY HOMES, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE ON A TINY HOME.
AND IN REALITY, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A ONE-CAR GARAGE, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FOCUS OF THE TINY HOME.
MOST LIKELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE PARKING ON THE STREET.
SO I MEAN, I, I, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SOMETHING MIGHT COME UP.
BUT I THINK AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A HUGE ISSUE.
NOT AS MUCH RIGHT NOW AT TINY HOMES, WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE CITY.
LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPREHENSION OF THEM, TINY HOMES, TINY HOMES THAT CAN BE ON A 45 FOOT LOT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PET.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD LOOK WEIRD, BUT I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE, SO QUESTION I HAD, CAUSE WE SAW IT EARLIER TONIGHT, A 30, 31 FOOT WIDE LOT THEY'RE ATTACHED.
WHAT DO THEY FALL UNDER? IT WAS THE PUD, RIGHT? WELL, THAT ONE IS CORRECT.
SO SOME OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY DONE UNDER PD, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ATTACHED PROJECTS.
AND THERE IS SOME PORTIONS OF THE UDC.
I DO NOT REMEMBER THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND THAT ACTUALLY TALKED TO TWO TO FOUR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
AND THEY HAVE LESS OF THAT GARAGE.
I THINK THIS IS ONLY FOR ONE AND TWO, I THINK.
UM, BUT THERE IS A SEPARATE SECTION, BUT A LOT OF TIMES WE ACTUALLY OPENED IT UP TO MORE GARAGES.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE ATTACHED, UM, OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE OFFSET LIKE ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS ON A LOT THAT NARROW AND YES THEY ARE ATTACHED OR THE GARAGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ALLEY LOADED FROM THE BACK.
SOME OF THAT PRODUCT WILL LIKELY BE ALLEY LOADED FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.
AND THEN SOME OF THAT WILL BE FRONT-LOADED AND THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT.
BUT A LOT OF THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID AS ALLEY LOADED OR THEY'RE DOING SEPARATE GARAGES AND THEY'RE MIXING THEM IN A LOT MORE LIKE THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED PRODUCT WHERE YOU GET THAT MIX OF LOOKS WITHIN THE PRODUCT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND WATCHES ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR ALL GARAGES ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR ALL PRODUCT TYPES EITHER.
SO IT COULD BE THAT THEY JUST ACHIEVED THEIR PARKING WITH THE DRIVEWAY SPACE.
I WAS JUST, SINCE WE SAW A 31 FOOT LOT, I'M LIKE, HOW WOULD THAT ONE WORK? YEAH.
SOME OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE ALLEY LOADED.
SOME OF THEM, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK IF YOU PUT YOUR IN AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR HOME ABOVE THAT.
AND A LOT OF THOSE PRODUCTS YOU'LL SEE SOMETIMES TOO, THEY'LL SPLIT THE LOT LINE WITH THE GARAGE.
SO THE GARAGE IS A CO GARAGE, IF YOU WILL, BUT IT'S GOT THE, BUT THEY USE THAT SPACE.
AND SO IT'S NOT QUITE SO INTRUSIVE.
MY MOM LIVES IN ONE OF THOSE, NOT IN THE GARAGE.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON A FOUR POINT 15, THEN I WILL CONSIDER A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE UDC AMENDMENT REGARDING CODE ORDINANCE CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 10, 4 0 6 DOT THREE.
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BY COMMISSIONER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER.UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO STAFF.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MAKES SENSE CHANGES, BUT I'M WAY HAPPY TO APPROVE.
WITH THAT, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NEXT IS AGENDA ITEM FIVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DIRECTOR REPORT.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH FOR YOU TONIGHT.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS SHORT SINCE WE ARE ALMOST AT THE 10:00 PM HOUR.
UM, WE WILL, I WILL BE SENDING OUT JUST SOME NOTIFICATION IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP YET, GO TO THE HEY HEDO NEWSLETTER AND GET SIGNED UP FOR THAT BECAUSE WE WILL BE HAVING A DOWNTOWN PLAN KIND OF CHARRETTE HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON JUNE 1ST.
IT IS MOSTLY GOING TO BE DURING THE DAY, BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
SO JUST WANTING TO GET THAT ON YOUR RADAR NOW, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A MONTH OUT, BUT I WILL BE SENDING OUT AN EMAIL AND IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO GOING OUT AND HEY, HOW DO I, IF IT HASN'T ALREADY, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU.
CAN I ADD ONE THING EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, REP I AM ON, UM, THE 20, 40 COMP PLAN EDC REP.
AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT WE DID, UM, SOME VISION STATEMENT CORRECTIONS WITH THE TEAM ABOUT, UH, KIND OF SETTING THOSE SPOKES OF A WHEEL OF WHAT THE HIGH LEVEL VISION, UH, PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE CITY.
UM, THAT THEN YOU CAN, THEN ONCE THOSE GET AGREED UPON, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, I THINK SOMETIME IN JUNE, UM, FOR THE THEM TO INCORPORATE THE FEEDBACK GIVEN BY THE COMMITTEE AND THEN FROM THAT WAS WHERE WE'LL START TO SENDING OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
HEY, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE VISION STATEMENT OF THE CITY.
AND THEN WHAT, UM, THOSE ACTION PLANS ARE GOING TO BE BASED ON ACTIONABLE TO GET TO THAT 3, 5, 10, 20 YEAR VISION OF THAT, OF THAT.
AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIKE THE, WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT WE GOT TO GET THE THEM TO INCORPORATE WHAT THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT, HIS FEEDBACK, STOLE MY THUNDER.
UM, AND DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT, UH, THIS IS YOUR LAST YES.
CAUSE I'LL BE ON VACATION IN JUNE AND THEN MY TERM IS UP JUNE 30TH.
SO THIS IS MY FINAL P AND Z AFTER FOUR YEARS.
SO EVERYBODY, SO AFTER JUNE, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE NEW ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
AT YOUR SERVICE, YOU'VE BROUGHT A LOT OF GOOD INSIGHT AND VALUE.
GOOD WORKING WITH, UH, WITH MR. CLARK HERE.
UH, NOTHING FURTHER THEN LET US ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 9:53 PM.