* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] RIGHT AT SEVEN [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] O'CLOCK WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MAY 19TH, 2022. TO ORDER, WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUTTON MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER, MCKINSEY, COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER. NEXT WE HAVE THE, IS THERE ANYBODY FOR IMPLICATION? NOPE. ALRIGHT, NEXT, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE LEGIONS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. RIGHT? THAT BRINGS US UP TO [5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] CITY MANAGER, COMMENTS, C MAJOR TURNER, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENTS. SATURDAY MAY THE 21ST IS HUDDLE MARKET DAYS AND DOWNTOWN HUDDLE. UM, THIS IS A NEW EVENT IT'LL BE HOSTED EVERY THIRD SATURDAY HELD EVERY THIRD SATURDAY AT 200 EAST STREET FROM 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM. THE, UH, CITY OF HUDDLE IS HELPING TO HOST THE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY AT FRITZ PARK. FRIDAY, MAY THE 27TH. IT, THE VAN IS FROM SIX TO 9:00 PM. PLEASE BRING COOLERS CHAIRS, BUT NO GLASS THERE'LL BE LIVE MUSIC VENDORS AND CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES ON MONDAY MAY THE 30TH CITY FACILITIES WILL BE CLOSED FOR MEMORIAL DAY IN HONOR OF THE NATIONS FALLING. UH, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO BE CAREFUL AND SAFE AS THEY TRAVEL AND CELEBRATE THAT, THAT HOLIDAY JUNE, THE FIRST, THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE FUTURE OF THE DOWNTOWN, THERE WILL BE A DOWNTOWN DESIGN RODEO, WHICH WILL BE IN THEIR ACTIVE WAY TO HELP DESIGN THE FUTURE OF HUDDLE. DOWNTOWN. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO JOIN THESE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS. THE FIRST ONE WAS STARTED 10:00 AM THE SECOND ONE AT 2:00 PM ON THE FIRST. AND THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME PRESENTATIONS AT 5:00 PM AT CITY HALL AND AN OPEN HOUSE AT SIX O'CLOCK. AND FINALLY, THE HUDDLE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION WILL BE JUNE 18TH, FROM 1230 TO 6:00 PM AT THE ATOM OR GAME PARK. AND, UH, CHIEF YARBROUGH WILL BE THE GUEST SPEAKER. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. ALL RIGHT, NEXT STEP BRINGS US TO PROCLAMATIONS. YES, SIR. OKAY. WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS THIS WEEK WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC [6.1. Public Works Week 2022] WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT ARE HERE. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP, THERE'S A LOT, YOU ALL GO THROUGH AND I DON'T THINK VERY MANY PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO. SO THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING PUBLIC WORK WORKS PROFESSIONALS FROM MAY 19TH, 2022. WHEREAS THE GOVERNMENT OF HADOW TEXAS CELEBRATES PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS WHO FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND SERVICES THAT ARE A VITAL IMPORTANCE TO SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF HOW-TO. AND WHEREAS THESE INFRASTRUCTURES FACILITIES AND SERVICES COULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS AND THE ENGINEERS MANAGERS AND THE EMPLOYEES AT ALL LEVELS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REBUILDING, IMPROVING AND PROTECTING OUR CITY'S WATER SUPPLY, WATER TREATMENT, WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES ESSENTIAL FOR OUR CITIZENS. AND WHEREAS IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THE CITIZENS, CIVIC LEADERS AND CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF HOW TO, TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE AND MAINTAIN ONGOING INTEREST AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS. FIRST RESPONDERS AND PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAMS AND THE RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS THE YEAR 2022 MARKS THE 62ND ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION. THE CANADIAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION. SO NOW THEREFORE I, MIKE SNYDER THE MAYOR [00:05:01] OF HUTTOE TEXAS TO HERE BY DESIGNATE THE WEEK MAY 15TH TO MAY 21ST, 2022 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK. AND I URGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN WITH THE CITY OF HUDDLE IN ACTIVITIES, EVENTS, AND CEREMONIES DESIGNED TO PAY TRIBUTE TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, AND EMPLOYEES, AND TO RECOGNIZE THE SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION THEY MAKE TO PROTECTING OUR NATIONAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. WELL, I CAN SAY IS IF THERE'S A WATER BREAK, ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY THAT HAPPENS WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE IS WORKING THEIR EIGHT TO FIVE JOB AND THEY COME HOME AND THEY'RE DONE, AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG OUT ON THE ROADS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GET INVOLVED AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE HOME AND THEY HAVE TO GO WORK AND THEY HAVE TO GO WORK IN A HUNDRED DEGREE HEAT, AND THEY HAVE TO PUT THE TIME IN. AND SO IT'S NOT EASY, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, IT'S NOT EASY FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT BECAUSE EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANTS IT DONE LIKE YESTERDAY, BUT IT'S COMPLICATED STUFF. SO, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO, YOU GO THROUGH AND, AND ALL THAT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. PICTURE NOW. I NEED TO BE TALLER. OKAY. 1, 2, 3. THANK YOU. UM, THE MEMBERS [6.2. National Police Week 2022] OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS AN OFFICIAL PROCLAMATION. SO PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NATIONAL POLICE SUITE FOR 2022, WHEREAS THERE ARE MORE THAN 800,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SERVING IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING THE DEDICATED MEMBERS OF THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHEREAS SINCE THE FIRST RECORDED DEATH IN 1786, MORE THAN 25,767 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE AND BEEN KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY, INCLUDING ONE MEMBER OF THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHEREAS THE NAMES OF THESE DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS ARE ENGRAVED ON THE WALLS OF THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL IN WASHINGTON, DC, WHEREAS 617 NEW NAMES OF FALLEN HEROES ARE BEING ADDED TO THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS MEMORIAL THIS SPRING, INCLUDING 470 OFFICERS KILLED IN 2021 ALONE, AND 147 OFFICERS KILLED IN PREVIOUS YEARS. WHEREAS THE SERVICE AND SACRIFICE OF ALL OFFICERS KILLED IN LINE OF DUTY WILL BE HONORED DURING THE NATIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. MEMORIAL FUNDS, 35TH, I'M SORRY, 34TH CANDLELIGHT VIGIL ON THE EVENING OF MAY 13TH, 2022. WHEREAS THE CANDLELIGHT VIGIL IS PART OF THE NATIONAL POLICE WEEK, WHICH WILL BE OBSERVED THIS YEAR, MAY 11TH THROUGH MAY 17TH. AND WHEREAS MAY 15TH IS DESIGNATED AS PEACE OFFICER'S MEMORIAL DAY IN HONOR, OF ALL FALLEN HEROES AND THEIR FAMILIES AND US FLAGS SHOULD BE FLOWN AT HALF STAFF. SO THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. THE CITY OF HUDDLE OBSERVED MAY 11TH AND MAY 17TH, 2022 AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IN THE CITY OF HADOW AND PUBLICLY SALUTES THE SERVICE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN THE COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION. NO. SO I KNOW CHIEFS PROBABLY GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYBODY CAN, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, OR DON'T APPRECIATE IN YOUR MINDS, WHAT OUR POLICE DO, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, YOU SHOULD GO DO A RIDE ALONE. THE LAST ONE THAT I DID, THERE WAS A, PROBABLY A FIVE FOOT A RATTLESNAKE, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT GOING, SOMEONE'S GOT TO GRAB THAT. AND IF IT WAS ME, I'D WALK THE OTHER WAY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT WAS MIDNIGHT AND SOMEONE HAS TO GO AND GET THE SNAKE. AND SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE THING OF WHAT THEY DO TO WHERE, WHEN YOU'RE AFRAID OF SOMETHING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, YOU CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY HAVE TO SUIT UP AND THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN AND PUT THEIR LIVES IN DANGER. AND AS I FREQUENTLY SAY, [00:10:01] THEY CONSTANTLY PUT THEIR FAMILY SECOND TO PUT YOUR FAMILY FIRST. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS WEEK IS, IS VERY SPECIAL. I SIMPLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, IT IS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. AND I LOOK, AND I SEE CHRIS KELLY'S NAME UP THERE, AND THAT'S JUST, UH, A REMINDER OF THE COMMITMENT THAT WE AS OFFICERS HAVE FOR THE, OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S, IT'S AN HONOR, IT'S IT. AND WE'RE PROUD TO DO WHAT WE DO, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMMUNITY THAT ACCEPTS US AND APPRECIATES AND VALUES AS THE WAY THEY DO DO SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. READY? 1, 2, 3. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, [7. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)] WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS AND I WAS REMINDED BY, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON THAT PRIOR TO SEVEN ONE BEING DONE, UM, WE HAVE IT IN OUR CHARTER THAT WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK. SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL MOVE 7 1 2 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, TWO GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE ONE, UM, I WENT TO EXPRESS CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES WHO LOST THREE YOUNG LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHANDLER AND 1660. IT WASN'T TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION AND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS. AND, UM, BEFORE THAT THERE WAS A MEETING WITH TXDOT AND IT WAS ON THEIR RADAR AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A PRIORITY FOR THEM. UM, I ALSO EXPRESSED CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES OF THE INJURED VICTIMS. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE INJURED TOO. UM, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, UM, IN AN UPDATE THAT WE RECEIVED THAT TXDOT IS MOVING THIS LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION UP, UM, IN THEIR PRIORITIES AND IT WAS ALREADY IN DESIGN PHASE SO THAT WE CAN SEE A LIGHT GO IN THERE, UM, WITHIN SIX TO NINE MONTHS. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SAVE SOME LIVES DURING THIS TIME OR ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE TEAM THAT REACHED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, AS BRIDGING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH TXDOT FOR THE CITY OF HADOW AND, UM, THAT WE GET TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS AND, AND OTHER PROJECTS. YES, I HAVE ONE. UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE MAYOR AND THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE TO, UM, TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. UM, THIS PAST WEEK, UM, AS A NATION, WE STILL CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH, UM, RACIAL INEQUALITIES AND TRAGEDIES THAT HAPPEN IN BOTH BUFFALO, NEW YORK, AND THEN LAGUNA WOODS, CALIFORNIA. UM, SO IF WE CAN JUST, UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE CAN JUST ALL JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN, UNFORTUNATELY, CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU GUYS. UM, UM, IN, IN LIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY IN LIGHT IN THAT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO, UM, MENTION WHAT COUNCIL NOT COUNCIL, SORRY, CITY MANAGER TURNER SAID ON THE JUNETEENTH EVENT WILL BE HAPPENING ON JUNE 18TH AT 1230 TO SIX AT ADAM OR GAIN PARK. UM, THEY ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS. UM, SO THERE'S A SIGN UP GENIUS LINK. UM, SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY CAN'T WORK THE WHOLE DAY, THEY NEED HELP SETTING UP, CLOSING DOWN, WRAPPING UP. SO IT WOULD BE, UM, A REALLY EVENT, UM, ESPECIALLY TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT HOW-TO CITIZENS OUT THERE TO SUPPORT. UM, I WILL BE THERE I'M PART OF THE HELPING TO SET UP. SO I HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR FACES [00:15:01] THERE. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER AWARENESS MONTH AS WELL. UM, AND I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN MY LIAISON REPORT. UM, AND I DID ALSO WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE THAT, UM, I HAVE A TRIP PLANNED TO SOUTH CAROLINA FOR, UM, MY UNIVERSITY REUNION, BUT GO BACK TO MY ALMA MATER. SO I WILL BE ABSENT AT THE JUNE 2ND MEETING. THAT WAS ALL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED ME TO BE UP HERE AND TO BE A SERVANT, UM, TO SERVE THE CITY OF HUDDLE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, I'M GOING TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP HUDDLE GROW AND BE THE PLACE THAT NEEDS TO BE AND, UM, AND DO SO IN AN HONORABLE WAY. I ALSO WANT TO THINK MY OPPONENT FOR THE CAMPAIGN THAT WE RAN AGAINST EACH OTHER, UM, IDA WEAVER, UM, AND ALSO WANT TO THANK, UH, MY FAMILY FOR SUPPORTING ME DURING THIS TIME. AND MY WIFE TAKE THE KIDS IN THE TIME TO, TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO I'VE GOT AN ITEM I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA COMING UP. I'LL UH, I'LL SHOOT THE LANGUAGE OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO THIS PAST, I GUESS, HAS BEEN SINCE FIRST PART OF MAY, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS, I GUESS, SOME WOULD CALL IT DISTURBING REGARDING, UM, SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SPENT A LOT OF LEGAL DOLLARS ON IT. SO LIKE AN ITEM, UH, ENTITLED CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE IBCA BARBECUE. COOK-OFF THE MAYOR'S INVOLVEMENT AND THE PROCESS RELATED TO INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES AND LEGAL MEMORANDUM FROM, AND INCLUDING THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, AND A CD ATTORNEY, AND TWO POSSIBLE INTERFERENCE WITH ADMINISTRATION, ALLEGED INTERACTION WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ALLEGED INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND TO RELEASE, UH, ALL OF THE INFORMATION COMPLETELY UNREDACTED. SO I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS THAT, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE SURE IT'S WORD SMITH TO BE LEGAL. WE'LL START OFF THE NEW SESSION. I WILL BE ABSENT FOR THAT MEETING. I JUST WAS WONDERING, UM, WHAT IS YOUR END GOAL WITH THAT DEBATE? THE ITEM? OKAY. I JUST ASKING FOR A PURPOSE OR A REASON. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR PUBLIC INFORMATION, A HUNDRED PERCENT. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO, UNLESS THERE'S NO OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE ON TO CITY COUNCIL, LIAISON REPORTS. I GUESS I'LL GO TO THIS. SOMEONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING. UM, JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, UM, THE DNI HAS SCHEDULED, UM, APART FROM THEIR REGULARLY CALLED MEETING, WHICH IS THE THIRD TUESDAY. THEY HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED ON JUNE 7TH AT 5:00 PM. UM, THEY DID FORM A WEBSITE SUBCOMMITTEE TO HOPEFULLY GET THEM A LANDING PAGE FOR, UM, THE DNI. THEY DO HAVE QUITE A FEW, UM, PROCLAMATIONS AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, OVER THEIR PAST YEAR. SO WHILE WE NECESSARILY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PROCLAMATION FOR ASIAN AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER AWARENESS, WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS A CITY AND WE DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SO WE KIND OF ARE NOT, WE, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A KIND OF GENERAL AREA FOR ALL OF THOSE PROCLAMATIONS, UM, TO, TO BE HOUSED. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. UM, THEY ALSO PASSED, UM, SORT OF A, A CODE OF ETHICS FOR THEMSELVES. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL HOPEFULLY SOON. UM, AND I THINK IT WAS REALLY A GREAT DISCUSSION THAT SURROUNDED, UM, KIND OF A CITY CODE OF ETHICS, UM, AND NOT JUST FOR THEM TO FOLLOW, BUT JUST ANYONE THAT SERVES ON A BOARD OR A COMMISSION AND KIND OF HOW WE HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL EXPECTATIONS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME FOR THOSE ON, UM, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. SO HOPEFULLY WE SEE THAT, UM, SOON. UM, AND THEN THEY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THEIR RESEARCH THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO FOR FINDING TRAININGS. UM, AS FAR AS DNI GOES AND TRYING TO MAKE IT, UM, WITH A THOUSAND DOLLAR BUDGET THAT WE GAVE THEM THIS LAST BUDGET CYCLE, UM, MOST SPEAKERS WILL NOT COME FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. UM, SO THEY'RE KIND OF TRYING TO FIND THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY, UM, TO EITHER DO IT WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY AND DO SOMETHING SMALLER THIS TIME. AND MAYBE WE CAN DO A BIGGER, WIDER COMMUNITY EVENT, UM, AND HAVE A SPEAKER COME IN, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD COST A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN JUST THE THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO I'M JUST BRINGING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THAT WAS ALL. [00:20:01] THANK YOU. ANY OTHER LEAS ON REPORTS? WE HAVE A QUICK UPDATE TO EDC. UH, THERE'LL BE A, UH, THERE'S A CONVENTION ICSE THAT STARTS, UH, MONDAY MORNING. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AS WELL AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I BELIEVE WE'LL BE IN LAS VEGAS. UH, WE HAVE A FULL SLATE ALREADY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO LOOK AT HADOW, UH, FOR, UM, COMING TO HADOW AND BUILDING BUSINESSES IN HADOW THEN, UH, BOB FARLEY, OUR DIRECTOR HAS TIME FOR, SO THAT'S A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT, UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING, THE GROWTH IS COMING. SO THERE'LL BE DOING THAT AND I'M EXCITED FOR THE UPDATE FOR THAT TO COME BACK. AND THEN ALSO MAY 26 AND INVITE EVERYBODY FROM THE COUNCIL. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON HAS ALREADY RSVP, BUT WHEN MAY 26, UM, THE EDC IS, UM, INVITED THE ENTIRE COMMERCIAL BROKER NETWORK IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN METRO AREA TO COME TO HUTTOE. MANY OF THEM ARE JUST NOW LEARNING HOW TO SPELL HADOW AND HAVING NEVER BEEN HERE. SO WE'RE INVITING THEM TO HADOW SO THAT WE CAN TELL THEM OUR STORY. WE CAN TELL THEM THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE COMING. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMERCIAL BROKERS, WHAT, WHAT IS STOPPING THEM FROM BRINGING IN WHATEVER ACADEMY SPORTS? WHAT DOES ACADEMY SPORTS WANT IN A CITY WHERE THEY LOOKING FOR? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HUDDLE CAN WORK ON? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CAN'T, WHETHER IT BE NON THE POPULATION, THE NOT, NOT THE RIGHT DEMOGRAPHIC, WHATEVER IT IS. SO TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A Q AND A, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR ANYBODY FROM THE COUNCIL THAT CAN ATTEND, BE ABLE TO HEAR IT STRAIGHT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WAY MAYBE WE CAN ALL AS A CITY, GET BETTER EDUCATED ON WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ALL LOOKING FOR, BUT THAT'D BE AN 11. I THINK LUNCH IS 1115 ON THE 26TH AT RIO. AND THEN FROM A COST STANDPOINT, UM, AUSTIN TITLE COMPANY IS PAYING FOR IT. SO FROM THE CITY TAXPAYER STANDPOINT, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SPENDING MONEY, UH, OF SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR US. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE ADC. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, THAT BRINGS US [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS. FIRST. WE HAVE RICK HUDSON EVENING MAYOR, UH, RICK HUDSON, 1207, RHONDA COVE. UH, TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, A IDEA OR A SUGGESTION THAT I HAVE FOR CONSOLE LIAISONS, UH, WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY PUT FORWARD TO PUT COUNCIL LIAISONS ON ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, PART OF THE INTENT WAS TO ROTATE COUNCIL MEMBERS THROUGH SO THAT THEY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THEY ARE LIAISON IN. UM, THAT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED. WE'VE HAD REPLACEMENTS AS PEOPLE LEAVE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BUT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND AS EITHER A COUNCIL PROTOCOL OR SOME SORT OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE THAT THE FIRST SESSION IN JUNE OR JULY IN THE EVENT OF A RUNOFF COUNCIL MEMBERS ROTATE EVERY YEAR. THAT WAY WE DO GET THE CHANGEOVER COUNCIL DOES GET A CHANCE TO GET ON THESE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND SEE WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. AS I SAID, JUST A SUGGESTION. THAT'S ALL. THANKS. THANKS SIR. GREAT. NEXT WE HAVE JAMES WEAVER. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I WAS LIKE, MY NAME IS JAMES WEAVER. I'M PRESIDENT OF HUDDLE. COMMUNITY. WATCH PERSONALITIES SHOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF MUTUAL RESPECT MONEY AND BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND THE CITY MANAGER. THERE'S NO, I IN TEAM, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE PLAYING FROM THE SAME BOOK, POLITICKING GRANDSTANDING, AND SELF-PROMOTION DO NOT BELONG ON THE DAYAS INDIVIDUAL. COUNCIL MEMBERS MUST NOT ENGAGE IN BACK CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS, LEAKING WEAK EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSIONS SHOULD NOT, AND MUST NOT BE TOLERATED. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND MUST RULE RESIDENTS. FIRST COUNCIL, THEN THE CITY MANAGER, IF A RESIDENT COMMISSIONED BOARD MEMBER, CONTRACTOR, ET CETERA, WANTS TO SPEAK WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD TAKE NOTES. DATE, TIME, NAME, SUBJECT MATTER AND PROMISE NOTHING. EXCEPT THE ISSUE WILL BE RAISED WITH THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITY. COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT ADVISE THE PERSON TO EMAIL THE CITY MANAGER. AND IF THE ISSUE CONCERNS [00:25:01] AN AGENDA ITEM, UH, YOU MIGHT ALSO, UH, ADVISE A PERSON TO MAKE AN AGENDA. ITEM COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBERS MUST NOT USE SERP, THE AUTHORITY OF COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER BY TRYING TO ADDRESS CITY ISSUES THEMSELVES, OR BY DIRECTING STAFF DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL CAN BE REPORTED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IN COUNCIL COMMENTS OR ON AN AGENDA ITEM. DURING COUNCIL MEETING DISCUSSION, A COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD RESPECTFULLY STATE POSITION LISTEN, RESPECTIVELY TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE AND GO TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. THEY SHOULD NOT PICK APART SIMPLE ISSUES OR MICROMANAGED CITY MANAGER DECISIONS. COUNCIL TIME SHOULD BE CONSERVED, BE AWARE OF PETTY ARGUMENTATION OR HARASSING OF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH EYE-ROLLING SIZE AND HAND GESTURES, RESPECT THE AGENDA ITEMS PLACED BY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DO NOT ATTACK OR GANG UP ON FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS DO NOT BRING UP UNRELATED OFF AGENDA TOPICS THAT DISTRACTS FROM THE AGENDA ITEM BEING ADDRESSED. RESPECT YOUR CITY ATTORNEYS DO NOT REQUEST COUNSEL OPINIONS DURING OPEN SESSION THAT HAS BEEN DONE. MANY OF THESE PROCEDURAL ITEMS WERE DRILLED INTO MY HEAD. AS I PROGRESSED IN MY CAREER WHERE I HAD TO BRIEF BOARDS OF DIRECTORS AND AGENCY BOARDS, I SPOTLIGHT THESE ISSUES NOT TO ELICIT EXCUSES, FINGER POINTING OR EXPLANATIONS, BUT TO BRING TO LIGHT THE CONCERNS THAT HCW VOLUNTEERS HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME WHILE I WAS OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WITH MY WIFE AND WE HEARD A LOT, UM, I'M NOT EVEN GETTING INTO THE MAJORITY OF THEM. I'M JUST HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS. I CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS QUITE INTERESTING THE OTHER DAY, CONSIDER EPHESIANS FOUR, THREE, MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO KEEP THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT THROUGH THE BOND OF PEACE. SO EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. RIGHT. THAT'D BE THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL GO BACK TO [7. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS (Part 2 of 2)] ITEM SEVEN, ONE ELECTION OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM. I BELIEVE THE WAY WE DECIDED TO DO IT LAST TIME IS WE START WITH PLACE ONE, GO AROUND WITH A, UM, A RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU, SO HAVE ONE, A REASON WHY YOU RECOMMEND A PERSON AND THEN WE'LL GO AROUND AND TAKE A VOTE SOUND, RIGHT? UM, NOT QUITE, YOU CAN JUST OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A NOMINATION CAN EAT. NOT EVERY PERSON IS REQUIRED TO MAKE A NOMINATION. SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A NOMINATION, THEY CAN, BUT YOU DON'T GO PERSON BY PERSON. YOU JUST OPEN IT UP FOR THE FLOOR ANYWAY. OKAY. THEN WE CAN OPEN UP THE ZOOM. YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MAYOR PRO TEM. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. PETER GORDON, MR. PETER WARDEN IS DEFINITELY OF ALL OF US. I WOULD ARGUE THE MOST WELL-VERSED IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. AND THAT IS HONESTLY THE MAIN JOB OF THE PROTIME I FEEL IS TO BE THE PRESIDING OFFICER IN THE MAYOR'S ABSENCE. UM, AND I TRULY FEEL THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON HAS SHOWN THAT HE KNOWS ROBERT'S RULES. UM, AND HE DEFINITELY HAS, UM, THE KIND OF GREGARIOUSNESS TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE MEETING AND KEEP IT GOING EFFICIENTLY. UM, AND I'VE TRULY ENJOYED SERVING WITH HIM. UM, AND I REALLY RESPECT ALL OF THE RESEARCH AND TIME THAT HE PUTS INTO, UM, LEARNING ALL OF THOSE RULES AND REMINDING US OF THOSE RULES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. PETER GORDON. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UM, CURRENT MAYOR PRO TEM, DAN THORTON. I HAVE MANY REASONS I'LL STICK WITH JUST A COUPLE. UM, I THINK THAT ONE THING OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM HIS JOB IS TO TAKE OVER FOR THE MAYOR. AND SO I THINK FROM THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC, THE PERSON OUGHT TO HAVE, UM, RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK, UH, DAN HAS THAT DAN DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE, UM, SHENANIGANS, IF YOU WILL, ON FACEBOOK. HE, IF HE DOES ANSWER A QUESTION GETS PRETTY MUCH JUST A QUICK STATEMENT, THAT'S IT. HE'S NOT PLAYING THE GAMES IN THERE. I KNOW THAT I WAS TALKING TO COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON THERE'S CONCERNS THAT DAN MAY BE A PUPPET FOR FACEBOOK AND DAN, THE WAY THAT THE MAYOR VOTES. UM, BUT I'D REMIND EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT MOST OF US VOTE. MOST OF OUR [00:30:01] DECISIONS ARE SEVEN OH, KGS 61, VERY RARELY A FIVE, TWO. SO IF ANYTHING WOULD BE CRITICIZED FOR ALWAYS VOTING THE SAME, PROBABLY CAUSE WE DEBATE AN ITEM UNTIL WE ALL AGREE. UM, DAN HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. HE SERVED ON MANY BOARDS. UM, HE SERVED ON OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS, H Y BSA, UH, BEING ONE OF THEM, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. UM, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONCERN BY SOME IN THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, THE VOTE IS ALREADY BEEN SET FOR THIS, THAT IT'S ALREADY PREDETERMINED, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC, UM, VOTES SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN THEN SEE THE ACTUAL PROCESS BEING HASHED OUT. UM, SO, UM, THE LAST THING I WOULD ADD IS WHEN TO SHOW THE LEVEL OF RESPECT THAT DAN HAS IN THE, UM, IN A COMMUNITY, WHEN HE WAS, HE'S PROBABLY THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW THAT WAS IN A THREE-WAY RACE, UM, FOR OFFICE AND CAME OUT OF IT WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE VOTES. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO RAN AGAINST HIM. I THINK THAT'S A SIGN OF ALL THE INVOLVEMENT DAN'S HAD. SO WITH THAT, AND THE LAST THING I'D SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT DAN'S DONE ANYTHING WRONG. UM, HE DOESN'T GET INTO THE BACK RAIN. HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG THAT I KNOW OF ON THE COUNCIL OVER THE PAST, WHATEVER, IT'S BEEN FOUR MONTHS. UM, SO I LIKE TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID. SO I'D LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR YOU, MAYOR. YOU SAID THAT I TOLD YOU THAT DAN WAS A, WHAT WAS THE WORDING YOU USED THAT DAN WAS A PUPPET FOR FACEBOOK? NO, I DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T SAY YOU SAID THAT. OKAY. THAT WAS SOME PEOPLE. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANT IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I TOOK IT. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY SOME OTHER PEOPLE TOOK IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, DID YOU MEAN ME OR WERE YOU JUST, I THINK SO TO BE FAIR, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND THE CONVERSATION WAS YOU FELT THAT, THAT DAN IS SCARED OF AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE COMMUNITY. AND BASED ON THAT, THAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, YOU ALREADY HAD THE VOTES AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ALREADY WANTS YOU TO DO IT. AND SO IT'S A COMPLETE MIS-CHARACTERIZED MIS-CHARACTERIZATION OF OUR, OF OUR CONVERSATION, COMPLETE MIS-CHARACTERIZATION POINT OF ORDER, COUNSEL, COUNSEL EXPECTATIONS. NUMBER ONE POINT THAT WILL TAKE HIM, OF COURSE NOT. SO END OF INQUIRY, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MIS-CHARACTERIZATION OF OUR CONVERSATION? I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT UP HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THIS BICKERING AND TH WHATEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL UP HERE, YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL UP YOUR, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT VOTING FOR ME, FOR MAYOR PRO TEM. SO YOU ALSO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A SOUND LIKE, AT LEAST THIS IS THE WAY I'M TAKING IT IS THAT I WENT AROUND AND BROKE AND BROKE QUORUM AND DID A WALK IN QUORUM. AND I STARTED TALKING TO EVERYONE AND TELLING THEM TO VOTE FOR ME. I DID NOT ASK A SINGLE PERSON UP HERE TO VOTE FOR ME FROM ANGRY PROTEST. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE DOING UP HERE, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPLETELY TRYING TO MISCHARACTERIZE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE MADE TO YOU IN PRIVATE. AND YOU'RE TRYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY FUNNY. SO I APOLOGIZE. I WASN'T TRYING TO DO ANYTHING. YOU ASKED A QUESTION IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SAID HE WAS A PUPPET, AND I CLARIFY THAT IT WASN'T A PUPPET. YOU SAID THAT HE WAS AFRAID OF A PERSON AND HE ALWAYS VOTES MY WAY. AND THAT I MOSTLY THAT EITHER I, YOU SAID THE MAJORITY OF OUR CONVERSATION, POINT OF ORDER, ARE WE ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO THE ATTORNEY? THIS IS, THIS IS INCREDIBLE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? CAN I APPEAL? SO YES, YOU CAN. YES. YOU CAN APPEAL. WE'VE GOT A VOTE. HE JUST CALLED THE BOAT. YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING, I GUESS WHAT AN I AND A NAMINGS? UM, NO. THAT'S UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, I BELIEVE THAT WE PASSED. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO SAY THE MEMBER'S NAME OF WHO WE'RE VOTING FOR. SO IT'S NOT AN A, THE SECOND I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE NOMINATION. I APOLOGIZE. SO WHEN I IS FOR THE APPEAL, SO, SO THE PROPER PROCEDURE IS THE CHAIR WOULD SAY, IS THE SHELL THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR STAND? AND I VOTE MEANS YES. IT MEANS THAT HIS DECISION STANDS TO STOP. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON FROM SPEAKING A NEVO MEANS THAT SHE CAN PROCEED TO SPEAK. SO WE KNOW, BUT PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLA. NAH, I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON DAWSON MEMBER SUTTON, I COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE NA MAYOR SNYDER. [00:35:01] SO YOU CAN CONTINUE SPEAKING. NOW THE NAYS MEAN THAT YOU CAN SPEAK. OH, THANK YOU. YOU THOUGHT IT WAS BACKWARDS? I THOUGHT IT WAS BACKWARDS. NO, I JUST, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CALL THE POINT OF ORDER THAT THIS ISN'T, I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE BOAT. WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE AGENDA ITEM AND WE'RE A, JUST NUMBER ONE, JUST, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING RESPECTFULLY. WE'RE NOT FOCUSING, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PERSON AND WE'RE NOT THINKING BEFORE WE SPEAK. I MEAN, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE DISCUSSING THE ELECTION OF THE MAYOR? PRO TEM? ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? YEAH. I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, UH, MAYOR AND IT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING FROM THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I HAD, UH, AND YOU, I INVITE YOU TO CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT. UM, BUT THE ONE THING THAT YOU TOLD ME WAS, UH, THAT YOU DID NOT WANT A BLANK SHOW UP HERE ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO AVOID THAT. AND THAT'S WHY YOU WANTED ME TO SUPPORT THE MAYOR PRO TEMP. I NEVER SAID NO. I NEVER SAID SUPPORT THE MAYOR PRO TEM, WHAT I WALKED UP TO YOU. AND I SAID, UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU AND DAN ARE THE TWO MOST EXPERIENCED THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID I MAKE THE MOTION TO CALL FOR VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. ANY, UH, SO YOU WANT TO CALL THE VOTE? ALL RIGHT. I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT NOMINATED PEER LAST TIME, THREE MONTHS AGO, AND IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST DAN AT WHATSOEVER. I JUST FEEL LIKE PRESIDING OFFICER WISE AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO SPEAK AND SPEAK ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES, UM, WITH CONVICTION. I, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A BAD THING. THANK YOU, DAN. UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I DID IT FOR PETER LAST TIME. UM, I STILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE WHAT I SAID LAST TIME. AND IT'S THE SAME THING THAT I'M SAYING NOW. UM, THE MAIN ROLE OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS TO BE THE PRESIDING OFFICER. AND I FEEL LIKE PETER HONESTLY HAS THE MOST COUNCIL EXPERIENCE AND IT SHOWED US TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT HE KNOWS THE CORRECT, UM, WAY TO RUN THE MEETING. THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, DAN, THIS IS A PERSONAL EITHER, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS UP HERE IS NOT PERSONAL CUSTOMER SUTTON. SO WE CALL THE VOTE. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION? CAUSE WE'RE WE CALLED THE VOTE AND NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING. SO I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, SORRY, YOU ASKED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S WHY. NO, BUT SHE CALLED THE VOTE SO FURTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING, OKAY. DO YOU WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO YOU WANT TO HOLD? OKAY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER, SUTTON, COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON, CUSTOMER, OR MAYOR PRO TEM THORTON, COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, COUNCIL MEMBER CLERK, COUNCIL MEMBER, PETER GORDON. THEY WERE SNYDER IS THORTON COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON THAT'S MEMBER KINSEY COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER, KOHLER COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. ALL RIGHT, BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO TWO COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN GORDON WILL NOW BE KNOWN AS MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. NO, ACTUALLY THAT'S INCORRECT. WE HAVE TO NOW CALL A VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM AND THAT'S THE CONFIRMATION. SO PLEASE CALL IT A VOTE TO CONFIRM HIM CALCIUM. EVERY KENZIE I ASKED, REMEMBER COLOR, I MAY HAVE A CUSTOMER MEMBER, THORNTON COUNCIL MEMBER, GORDON SCHNEIDER HELSEL MEMBER CLARK NELSON MEMBER SAID HI. ALRIGHT, ZERO MOTION PASSES. NOW YOU ARE MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT, [9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM IS 9 1 9 2 9 3 9 4 9 5 9 6 AND NINE SEVEN MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT 9 6, 9 7. IF WE COULD HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT FROM STAFF ON THESE TWO ITEMS, I DON'T WANT THEM PULLED FROM THE AGENDA OR CONSENT AGENDA. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME BRIEF INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT THESE ARE ABOUT ERIC COUNCIL, NOT ONE ELSE CASE THE CITY MANAGER ON A NINE, SIX AND NINE SEVEN. THESE ARE GAS FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS. UM, BOTH OF THESE COMPANIES CAME FORWARD TO CITY STAFF WANTING TO WORK, UH, IN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUDDLE. UH, WE VISITED WITH THEM AND THEY LET US KNOW ABOUT THEIR INTENT TO, TO GUESSWORK, UH, WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO, UH, WE DID HAVE LEGAL DROPPED UP FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, [00:40:01] WHICH BOTH COMPANIES REVIEWED AS WELL FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, UM, AT AN, IN AN APRIL 1ST, UH, FRIDAY LETTER TO THE COUNCIL, WE INFORMED THEM THAT THEY HAD VISITED WITH US AND WANTED TO HAVE A GRA GAS FRANCHISE WITH THE CITY. AGAIN, GAS FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, UH, DO HAVE A 5% OF THE COMPANY'S GROSS REVENUE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS ATMOS, UH, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT GAS FRANCHISE. THEY HAVE ONE, UH, THE ENDING DATE OF THESE AGREEMENTS IS ALSO 2040, THE SAME AS ATMOS AS WELL. UM, LEASE COMPANIES, THEY DO HAVE AGREEMENT OR PENDING AGREEMENTS, I GUESS, WITH DEVELOPERS TO DO WORK IN THEIR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENTS. AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH COMPANIES HERE PRESENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM AS WELL. THAT'S MY BRIEF PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON ITEMS 9 1 9 2 9 3 9 4 9 5 9 6 OR NINE SEVEN. I'LL JUST SHARE WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL. SO ON ITEMS 9, 6, 9, 7, I DID SPECIFICALLY ASK THE CITY MANAGER, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SO THIS FRANCHISE FEE IS, UH, IT'S EVERY YEAR. IT'S AN ANNUAL FEE THAT MONEY THAT THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO GET YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR THIS. AND WE WOULD NOT BE GIVING UP ANY EASEMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED LATER. SO THOSE WERE THE TWO CONCERNS I HAD ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THESE ITEMS? MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED SECOND. WHAT'S YOUR BY COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE SNYDER BY HOW'S THE MEMORY KENZIE. I REMEMBER SETTING MAYO, PRETEND GORDON. I REMEMBER CLARK. I REMEMBER KOHLER. I ALSO REMEMBER THORNTON MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. [10.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution R-2022-045 approving the Second Amendment to the Management Agreement with the YMCA of Greater Williamson County; authorizing the Interim City Manager to execute the Agreement. (Angie Rios)] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 10, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION OUR DASH 2022 DASH 0 4 5 APPROVING THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE Y YMCA OF GREATER WILLIAMSON COUNTY AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, THIS IS, UH, MANY OF THE AGREEMENT. THERE WAS A LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, UH, WITH Y YMCA, THE, THE BUILDING IS THE CITIES AND THEY HAD OFFERED TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS. AND WE HAVE, UH, PROVIDED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY LISTED IN THE AGREEMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE REPAIRS. THERE TWO THAT, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET, UH, DUE TO DELAYS. AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION TO THE END OF THIS YEAR TO GET THOSE REPAIRS COMPLETED. UH, MYSELF AND TWO OTHER STAFF DID GO TO THE YMCA TO SEE THE REPAIRS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE ONE THAT WAS STILL PENDING. SO, UM, WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT. WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF YMCAS HERE AS WELL. WE'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS WE GOT AN UPDATED, UH, EMAIL, UM, FOR MY QUESTION, WHEN I TALKED WITH CITY MANAGER, ISAAC, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, THE ONE REPAIR THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE YET IS FOR THE, THE CEILING. UM, AND I SAID THERE WAS MOLD MITIGATION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. UM, IS THERE ANY CONCERN UNTIL IT'S REPAIRED FOR THE AREA FOR SAFETY TO THE RESIDENTS? UH, WELL, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WAS THERE AND THERE IS A, A ROOM THAT HAD WATER DAMAGE. IT'S BASICALLY INSIDE A WALL. AND, UH, I DUNNO IF IT'S COMING FROM OUTSIDE OR UNDERNEATH THE GROUND. UM, I DON'T, THERE'S NOT ANY IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THAT, BUT, UM, COLBY OR EITHER ONE OF THEM LIKE TO EXPOUND ON THAT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY POTENTIAL IMMEDIATE NEED. YEAH. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING NOW THAT SOME OF THE REASON FOR THE DELAY, UM, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MOLD IN THERE, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO LINE THE CONTRACTOR TO REMOVE THE OUTSIDE, UM, AND THEN TAKE THE INSIDE THEN TO BE INSPECTED BY THE ENGINEERS AND TO DO THE, ANY REMEDIATION, IF IT'S NEEDED AND TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE GOT TO LINE THEM UP LIKE DOMINOES FALL, OR WE GOT HOW PART OF THE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE EXPOSED AND WHEN YOU EXPOSE THE WALL, WE WANT TO EXPEDITE IT. AND JUST THE NATURE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'VE LED UP TO NOW AND HAVING A CONTRACTOR BASICALLY ON STANDBY THROUGH THEM. WHAT WE PERCEIVE TO THE, THE TWO TO FOUR WEEK PIECE, UM, IS WHAT [00:45:01] CAUSED THE DELAY. NOW, THE CONTRACTORS HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THEY WOULD BE THERE AND NOW WE'VE MOVED INTO SCHOOLS OR OUT. SO ALL THE REMEDIATION COMPANIES ARE PERFORMING SCHOOLWORK THROUGH THE SUMMER, WHICH IS THEIR PEAK SEASON. SO WE'RE LINING THEM UP TO BEGIN IN AUGUST AND SEE THIS WORK TAKING PLACE IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, BUT WE HAVEN'T OPENED UP THE WALL. SO THERE IS NO IMMEDIATE CONCERN. THANK YOU, SIR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. HOW LONG HAVE WE KNOWN ABOUT THE LEAK TH THE LEAKS BEEN ONGOING FOR A WHILE? THIS WAS, UM, CONSTANT CONVERSATION OR NOT CONSTANT CONSISTENT CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE, THE CITY AND THE Y. UM, BUT UNTIL THE RECENT AMENDMENT, UM, LAST YEAR, IT WAS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PERFORM THE WORK AND THE WORK HAD NOT BEEN DONE. THAT'S WHY WE, THE AGREEMENT WAS RESTATED LAST YEAR AND THE MONEY WAS TRANSFERRED THAT WE OFFERED TO TAKE ON THE CAPITAL REPAIRS IN THE BUILDING FROM THAT DAY FORWARD. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOT EMOTIONAL BE IN ORDER, I'M GOING TO ACCEPT A 10. ONE HAS PRESENTED SECOND QUESTION BY A MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, APPROVING TEN ONE AS PRESENTED ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. I ALSO REMEMBER CLARK MAYOR PUT TIM GORDON TELL SOME MEMBER SETTING. THAT'S A MEMBER KOHLER. I ALSO REMEMBER KINSEY. I CAST MEMBER THORTON BY PUSHING PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. EXCELLENT. MOVE ON TO [10.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-046 amending the City Council Protocol Policy to establish and clarify procedures for appointments, reappointments and/or removals of members of City boards, committees, and commissions. (Councilmember Peter Gordon, Councilmember Krystal Kinsey)] ITEM 10 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2022 DASH 0 4 6, AMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL POLICY TO ESTABLISH AND CLARIFY PROCEDURES FOR APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS OF MEMBERS OF CITY BOARDS, COMMITTEES, AND COMMISSIONS. SO THIS WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE, AND, AND, AND MY, UH, ITEM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE LEAD ON IT? YOU WANT ME TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT WE WERE DOING? SO, UM, WE HAD NOTICED IN OUR PROTOCOLS WHEN WE HAD SET UP THE PROTOCOLS, THAT WE WENT INTO SOME VERY DETAILED PROCEDURES FOR HOW TO APPOINT PEOPLE AND GET PEOPLE ADDED TO BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, BUT WE NEGLECTED TO POINT OUT A PROCESS FOR REMOVAL OR WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY RESIGNS, UM, PRIOR TO THE END OF THEIR TERM AND KIND OF HOW THAT WORKS. AND SO, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY ASKED, UM, OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. SO I THINK WE HAD ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN THAT WE REVIEWED AND LOOKED OVER. UM, IT KIND OF TOOK THE BEST BITS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE BEST OUT OF THEM AND INCORPORATED THEM INTO HERE. SO IT'S FOUND IN THE PROTOCOLS, THAT'S IN THE PACKET, UH, STARTING ON PAGE 1 30, 3 OF THE PACKET, AND IT GOES THROUGH PAGE 1 34. IT'S ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, IN WELL, UNDERLINED IN A TALLIX. UM, AND SO BASICALLY SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HAD WERE ONE, UM, TO, UM, HAVING PREFERENCE THAT PEOPLE SERVE ON ONE BOARD OR COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE AT A TIME, UM, BUT NOT HAVE IT BE A REQUIREMENT. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE KIND OF HARD TO FILL. AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT A HARD REQUIREMENT OR MAKE THAT AS A SUGGESTION. UM, IF THEY'RE ALTERNATE MEMBERS GIVING THEM FIRST PREFERENCE OF BEING A REGULAR MEMBER, IF THEY SO CHOOSE, UM, REAPPOINTMENTS, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT NOT REQUIRING THEM TO FILL OUT A NEW APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND LEAVING IT UP TO THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE ON WHETHER THEY WANTED TO RE-INTERVIEW THAT INDIVIDUAL OR NOT. UM, AND SO NOT HAVING THAT A HARD REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A NEW APPLICATION ON FILE. UM, THE NEXT ITEM WAS, AND THIS IS ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO MODIFY. UM, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST RECOMMEND THAT WE MODIFY AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. UM, INSTEAD OF SAYING IN NUMBER 13, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, UM, HE ASKED IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE HIM THE AUTHORITY TO DELEGATE IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, IF HE WANTED TO. AND THAT WOULD GIVE HIM A MORE FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT. UM, YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE HAVING THE STAFF LIAISONS PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND SO, UM, THAT WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, IF COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY IS, UM, HE HAD THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND THEN, UH, THE REMOVALS, UM, THE, THE THREE MAIN WAYS TO REMOVE WOULD BE ONE ABSENCES. UM, IF ABSENCES FALL BELOW 75% WITHIN A ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD, THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL. IT WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT FINAL DETERMINATION. UM, THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE TO JUST, IF ONE MEMBER OF COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOMMEND A REMOVAL, THEY CAN DO THAT. AND IF THERE'S A VOTE OF AT LEAST FOUR MEMBERS, UM, AND THEN THE THIRD WAY, WHICH SEVERAL CITIES DID IS ALLOW THE BOARD OF COMMISSION. IF THEY RECOMMENDED THE REMOVAL OF ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS TO ALLOW [00:50:01] THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TAKE THAT AS A VOTE, HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON IT IN THEIR BOARDER COMMISSION, AND THEN FORMALLY SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT FINAL, UM, DECISION, UM, AND THEN JUST CLARIFYING FOR VACANCIES AND MAKING SURE THAT NONE OF THIS VIOLATES ANY KIND OF STATE LAW OR THE CHARTER, IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICT, JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THOSE WOULD OVERRIDE. SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER RECOMMENDED CHANGES OR MODIFICATIONS TO. SO I HAD TO, UM, ONE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE 75%, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHEN YOU ONLY MEET THREE TIMES AND THEY DON'T KNOW, AND PEOPLE FORGET BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T, I MEAN, YOU COULD MISS ONE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE BELOW YOUR WHOLE BOARD COULD BE BELOW A 75% THRESHOLD. SO IS IT, IF THE MEETING GETS CANCELED, THEY GET CREDIT THAT, THAT TECHNICALLY THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP, BUT THEY WERE STILL THERE. UM, CAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO HANDLE ANY OF THAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, NOT THAT WE'RE PENALIZING ANYONE, BUT IF SOMEONE'S BEING REMOVED FOR ABSENCES, I WONDER IF THERE IS ANY, THEY HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY CAN APPLY TO BE ON SOMETHING ELSE OR, YOU KNOW, OR IF WE, IF PEOPLE ARE JUST VOTING OFF, YOU KNOW, I GUESS COUNCIL COULD JUST CHANGE THEIR MIND OR, YOU KNOW, LET THEM, OR TAKEN AN ADVISEMENT THEMSELVES. OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE LANGUAGE TO HANDLE THAT? UM, THAT, THAT WAS JUST MY TWO, MY TWO THOUGHTS. UM, SO ON YOUR FIRST ONE, THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WOULD BE ABSENCES FROM A PLAN MEETING WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT THEN, THEN THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP. RIGHT? SO IF YOU'VE GOT A ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT THE ENTIRE MEETING IS CANCELED BECAUSE THERE'S EITHER NO ACTION TO TAKE OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, THAT OUR THINKING WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE PENALIZED. NOBODY WOULD BE PENALIZED FOR THAT ONE. IT WOULD JUST BE, IF THERE'S A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, THEY WERE EXPECTED TO BE THERE AND THEY, THEY WEREN'T THERE. WELL, YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, DO YOU COUNT THE ONES THAT WERE CANCELED AS A ROLLING 12 MONTHS NUMBER? SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S ONLY BOARD ADJUSTMENT. YOU HAVE ONE TECHNICALLY SCHEDULED EVERY 12 MONTHS, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY CANCELED THE MAY ONE AND THE JUNE ONE NOW. SO IF THEN THEY MISS YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE PUT THOSE TWO ACCOUNT AS TWO MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED. SO THE REASON WHY WE, SORRY, DARDY, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD FOR, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS SPECIFIC PROCEDURES FOR REMOVAL. SO THEY'LL FALL UNDER, UM, NUMBER FOUR. SO IT'S A REMOVAL AFTER A WRITTEN CAUSE WRITTEN CHARGE AND A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT'S BY STATE STATE, THAT'S UNDER THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 11 0 0 8. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO THE INVESTIGATION OF A PNC MEMBER. I THINK IT FALLS UNDER FOUR. YEAH. AND P AND Z SAYS SAME PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UM, JUST TO FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT, THAT'S WHY WE PICKED A PERCENTAGE. SO LIKE ETHICS COMMISSION, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MEET, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE TALKED ABOUT, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TURNED IN, THE ETHICS DON'T MEET REGULARLY, UM, BY THE ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE TO MEET ONCE A YEAR. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY DON'T MEET ON A REGULAR RECURRING SCHEDULED BASIS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH A PERCENTAGE BECAUSE IF YOU SERVE ON A BOARD LIKE THAT, UM, OR MAYBE ZBA, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY WHERE THEY DON'T MEET VERY FREQUENTLY, YOUR ABSENCES, THERE ARE MUCH MORE AGREGIOUS AND MISSED AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY WELL PLANNED OUT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP GOING WITH MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MISS TWO MEETINGS OR ONE MEETING, WE DIDN'T PICK A NUMBER. AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH A PERCENTAGE. SO NO MATTER HOW OFTEN YOUR BOARD MEETS AS LONG AS YOU'RE THERE FOR TWO THIRDS. SO IF YOU MEET THREE TIMES, TWO THIRDS, THEN YOU'RE GOOD. SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH A PERCENTAGE VERSUS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL NUMBER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. RIGHT. BUT MY POINT WAS LIKE, IF YOU MEET THREE TIMES, YOU MEET FLINT. YOU MISS, ONCE YOU'RE UNDER THE 75% THRESHOLD, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. BUT ALL THAT, THIS DOES IS HAVING AN AGENDA ITEM. IT DOESN'T REMOVE YOU. SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO ARGUE YOUR CASE. YOU HAVE A CHANCE FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE CONSIDERED. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG A DEAL. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THAT'D BE FINE IF WE WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I MEAN, I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO TOO COMPLICATED, BUT YOU KNOW, HAVING CAVEAT THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF BOARDS MEET ONCE A YEAR, THIS DOESN'T APPLY OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO KIND OF GET OTHER IDEAS OF, OF HOW WE COULD DO IT OR HOW WE COULD WORD IT. SO, UM, KIND OF WITH CUSTOMER THORTON, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A LOT OF THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY ARGUED BEFORE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LOT OF THIS PERSONALLY BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYBODY SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WHETHER YOU COULD BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MEETINGS AND YOU CAN BE REMOVED, [00:55:01] YOU CAN BE REMOVED JUST BECAUSE OF A VOTE. AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. SO WHETHER IT BE 75% OR WHETHER PERCENT IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, YOU CAN BE REMOVED. SO TINNITUS SAYS SHALL BE, THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT TO YOUR POINT. I MEAN, I JUST PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE. WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW INCIDENCES AS OF THE LAST, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL OF QUOTE-ON-QUOTE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING ACCUSED OF INVESTIGATIONS OR TOMA VIOLATIONS. UM, IF THAT BORDER COMMISSION GETS MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE TOGETHER, THEN HOW DO THEY SUBMIT IT? HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT IT? UM, IT'S REALLY, I THINK THAT THIS GIVES A REALLY, REALLY NICE, UM, ORDER. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. UM, IT REALLY, I THINK GIVES THE BOARD AND COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AUTONOMY WITH THEIR OWN MEMBERS AND THEIR OWN WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW AS A BORDER COMMISSION WHO TO REACH OUT TO, HOW DO I GO ABOUT IT IF I PERSONALLY, OR I FEEL LIKE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE SOMEONE REMOVED, HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT IT? DO THEY APPROACH JUST THEIR LIAISON? DO THEY JUST APPROACH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE? WHO SHOULD THEY APPROACH? HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT THAT? SO I THINK THAT THE REASON WHY THIS IS VERY NECESSARY IS IN THE VERY RECENT HISTORY OF HOW TO, WE'VE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS VERY SPECIFIC ITEM. SO MAYBE IT IS . UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT REALLY COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT GUIDING LIGHT GETTING OVER SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THE PAST 12 MONTHS. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, GORDON AND KENZIE FOR BRINGING THIS. UM, I THINK THIS IS NEEDED TO CLARIFY, UM, UH, UH, THE REMOVAL OF, UH, UH, MEMBERS, UH, OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, BUT I GUESS I DO HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHO, UM, WHO ENFORCES IT, IF A PERSON IS, UM, DOES FALL BELOW THE 75%, WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF THAT IS THAT, UM, SOMEONE FROM CITY STAFF AND THEN THEY PASS IT ON TO CITY MANAGER, TURNER, AND THEN HE REPORTS TO US, UM, I GUESS WHAT IS THE, WHO'S THE ENFORCER? SO I BELIEVE IT READS THAT THE CHAIR SHALL PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE SECRET CITY, SECRETARY OF THE DATES AND REASONS IF KNOWN OF THE MEMBER'S ABSENCES, THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REMOVAL OF THE MEMBER. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ORDER. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. SO WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, UM, BRICK ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS, UM, AND, UM, HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AFTER IVF ELECTION, MAYBE THAT EVERYBODY SHIFTS TO A DIFFERENT LIAISON ROLE. UM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF PROBABLY NOT THE AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. YEAH. IT'S NOT. SO IT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE WE PROBABLY SHOULD DISCUSS AND DECIDE HOW WE WOULD ROTATE AT THANK YOU, DOTTIE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY IN THERE. NO, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE PASSED ON HOW WE I'LL BE APPOINTED, BUT ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS, QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CHANGING TO THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL POLICY, IF NOT AS A, I DON'T KNOW IF A MOTION IS IN ORDER, IF WE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, THERE WAS A CHANGE MAYOR PRO TEM WANTED, WELL, I'LL START US OFF THIS WAY. SO I'LL PROPOSE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE TEND TO WITH AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGE UNDER ITEM 13, CHANGING THE WORDING FROM CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND THEN IF THERE'S A, AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BUYER BY MAYOR TEM GORDON SECTOR BY CUSTOMER MCKINSEY, APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER S 2022 DASH 0 4 6 AS PRESENTED WITH THE REVISION IN NUMBER 13 OF CITY SECRETARY, GOING TO CITY MANAGER SOUND RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SO, UM, DID YOU WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE ABSENCES SECTION THAT ALSO SPECIFIES CITY SECRETARY VERSUS CITY MANAGER, UM, ISAAC, WERE, YOU DIDN'T SEEM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT WHEN WE TALKED, IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE ORIENTATION WAS KIND OF A MORE, [01:00:01] A BIGGER ISSUE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP RIGHT HERE. NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. I MAY A SCHNEIDER, SOME AUTHORITY. I MAY I'LL PRETEND GORDON. I HAVE SOME MEMBER KENZIE. I GOT SOME MEMBER CLARK. HI COUNCIL MEMBER COLA, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE [11.1. Hold a public hearing and consider action for the proposed Future Land Use Map revision request for the property known as the Ironwood Tract, 117.64 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Highway 79, from Commercial and High Density Residential to Light Industrial/Business Park. (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] HAVE ITEM 11 ONE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION FOR THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP REVISION REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE IRONWOOD TRACT 117.6, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 79, UH, FROM COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS PARK. ANY OF YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. OKAY, THANKS. I APOLOGIZE. MR. CITY MANAGER, I TURNED AROUND IT WAS GONE AND I THOUGHT, OH, THAT'S COOL. YOU ALREADY GOT IT. NOPE. YOU'RE NOT THE REASON. SO THIS IS EXISTING ETJ. THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN LIEU OF ANNEXATION IN MARCH OF 2012, THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEY WERE REQUESTING ANNEXATION PER THAT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWS THAT THIS IS MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, IT IS RESTRICTED ON THE LIMITATIONS ALONG US 79. SO IT REALLY ISN'T AROUND TO GO TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE U S 79. UM, SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS COME IN, THEY ARE LOOKING AT CHANGING THIS OVER TO INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A BUSINESS PARK AND WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CRITERIA, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. THIS IS OUR LARGEST EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR. UM, THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE DOES NOT HAVE A POTENTIAL, A NEGATIVELY IMPACTED JASON'S LAND USES. AND WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF RESIDENTIAL AND EMORY FARMS, UH, TO THE SITE OF THE NORTH EAST, BUT NOW WITH THE BUFFERING AND THE CHANGES WITHIN EDC CODE THAT WE'D MADE AFTER THE TITAN DEVELOPMENT HAD GONE IN WITH THE BAY DOORS, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED THOSE, UM, BUFFERS AND SETBACKS GREATLY. AND THEN THE APPLICANTS HAVE AGREED TO A MUNICIPAL SERVICE PLAN THAT DOES NOT GUARANTEE CITY WATER OR WASTEWATER SERVICES AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THE SER SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST IS STILL IN REVIEW AND THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. SO WITH THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT. SO, OKAY. THE COUNCIL, BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO DISCUSSION, WE'LL START THE OPEN PUMP, THE PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:03 PM. WAS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, ITEM, RAISE YOUR HAND, COME FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 0 3 AND OPEN IT UP TO CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION. SO THE ONLY CAUSE THIS CAME TO P AND Z, I THINK, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF, UH, MAY AND, UH, THE ONLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S 11 1 11, 2 OR 11 THREE. UM, BUT ON ONE OF THEM, WE HAD THE, THE REQUEST ABOUT THE TREES ALONG 79. SO IT WON'T JUST LOOK LIKE A BUSINESS PARK. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WHERE THAT PART GOT ADDED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT ON ANY OF THE THREE. UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY, THEY WOULD HAVE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS UP AGAIN, ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY ANYWAY. SO IT WOULD JUST BE WITHIN THAT ZONING CATEGORY. OKAY. LET ME MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL COVERED, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, NOT SMALL COLLECTOR ROAD THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE WEST, THAT SMALL MINOR COLLECTOR, THEY WILL BE ALSO DEVELOPING THAT ROADWAY. THERE IS ONE CHANNEL, THE MASTER OR THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN. UM, ONCE WE GET INTO THE SITE PORTIONS OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE IF IT'S TRULY NECESSARY, OR IF THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE USING 79 CARS TO HAVE A DUPLICATE ROADWAY BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE OTHERWISE, A CAMPUS MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO WE'LL BE REVIEWING THAT AS WELL. WE DO LIKE TO, UH, GO FORWARD WITH, BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN, BUT IF IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY OR DEPENDING ON HOW THIS SITE DEVELOPS, IT MAY NOT BE A NECESSARY ROADWAY. [01:05:01] GOTCHA. I JUST THINK WITH ALL THAT DEVELOPING MAYBE AT THE TIME. IT MAY NOT BE, BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND THE WHOLE REGIONAL SCOPE, JUST BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE REALLY UP TO SNYDER BOULEVARD IS THAT EAST WEST UNTIL 79. AND THEN WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES WITH THE FLOODPLAIN OR DRAINAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S ANOTHER, SO A QUESTION ON THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTHEAST, BUT THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDES, THERE ARE THOSE CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY, IT'S MORE SO THAT WHEN SOME OF THEM ARE ANNEXED, I THINK THAT'S JUST LIKE A HOLDING PATTERN, BUT MOST OF IT'S ALL DEVELOPED AS ETJ INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES. I'M THE ONE TO THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY RV MINI STORAGE, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTIAL USES. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY LISTED AS EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS THAT IT'S ALL, IT WAS ALL ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE INDUSTRIAL ALONG THERE. I THINK JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY USE ALREADY WAS AT THE TIME. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE EXTENDING THAT BUSINESS PARK, UM, FOR THEIR, OKAY. I JUST KNOW WHEN I SAW THE SAME SHADING, I WAS LIKE, IT'D BE REALLY WEIRD TO HAVE TO BUFFER WITH THE RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS ON LAND. THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL, SO, OKAY. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE THEN. THAT'S OKAY. NO, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO DEFINITELY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT EMORY FARMS TO THE NORTHEAST, BECAUSE THERE IS THAT SMALL PORTION, UM, MS. B'S HERE. SO IT'S A DRAINAGE POND, BUT OF COURSE THERE'S STILL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING, ANY OTHER ITEMS WISE? THE EMOTIONAL BEING ORDER ITEM ALONE. ONE HAS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER. THORTONS SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON APPROVING 11. ONE HAS PRESENTED DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAY I APPROACH HIM GORDON? I TELL SOME OF HER KOHLER. I ALSO REMEMBER CLARK. I REMEMBER THORTON. KELSEY. REMEMBER SUTTON. I ALSO REMEMBER KINSEY. AYE, AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. DOES ANYONE WISH TO WAIVE [11.1. (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-024 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13 (Legal)] THE SECOND READING THAT MOVED MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON WAVING THE SECOND READING ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. SNYDER. I ALSO REMEMBER KENZIE. I ASKED HIM OVER, SAID, HI, APRIL TIM GORDON. I ALSO REMEMBER CLARK. I TELL SOMEONE THE KOHLER COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, AYE, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. WE HAVE [11.2. Hold a public hearing and consider action on Ordinance No. O-2022-025 approving the proposed annexation request for the Ironwood tract, approximately 117.64 acres, more or less, of land, described as being out of the Martin Strouse Survey, Abstract No. 587, in Williamson County, Texas and to establish base zoning as General Commercial (B- 2) located off of Highway 79. (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ITEM 11 TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER OH DASH 2022 DASH 0 2 5. APPROVING THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION REQUEST FOR THE IRONWOOD TRACT, APPROXIMATELY 117.6, FOUR ACRES. MORE OR LESS OF LAND DESCRIBED AS BEING OUT OF THE MARTIN STRAUSS SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 5 8, 7 IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS, AND TO ESTABLISH BASE ZONING AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL B2 LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 79. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF THE THREE SEPARATE TRACKS THAT, UM, TOTAL UP TO JUST OVER 117 ACRES, JUST TO GO OVER REALLY QUICK. THE STATE STATUTE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED TO CITY STAFF. THE PUBLIC NOTICES ARE POSTED THE NEWSPAPER AND SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE NOTIFIED. AND THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE READING TONIGHT, UM, WITH THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ANNEXATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL A LITTLE BIT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:09 PM. THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON A SENSATION, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE WE WERE CLOSED, UH, CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 0 9 AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL. I MOVED TO ACCEPT 11 TO AS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER PROVING 11 TWO IS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. [01:10:01] COUNCIL MEMBER, KOHLER COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON. I MAY HAVE PRETEND GORDON MAYOR SNYDER HOW SOME MEMBER OF CLARK HOUSE MEMBERS SAID HI, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. DOES ANYONE [11.2. (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-025 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13 (Legal)] WISH TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING OF THAT ORDINANCE? SO MOVE MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, ASHLEY, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME OR NOT, BUT I DID JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DID HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. AND THE MAIN COMPLAINT WAS BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE AND WITH THIS WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET BETTER DRAINAGE. SO THAT ONE IN OPPOSITION IT'S ACTUALLY, WE SHOULD, THEY SHOULD BE ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF. AND IN MAKING THAT FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUE BETTER, CORRECT WHAT STATE LAW THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT OFFSITE. OKAY. AND THAT A PERSON THAT DID SUBMIT THAT LETTER WAS AT P AND Z AND THEY, THEY HAD THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, THEY SEEMED PLEASED AT THE WORK THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE WITH WATER RETENTION ONSITE. SO AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE AS A MEMBER OF COLOR COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, I MAY HAVE PUT TIM GORDON TELL SOME MEMBER OF KINSEY. I MADE HER SNYDER MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. [11.3. Hold a public hearing and consider action for the zoning change request for the property known as the Ironwood Tract, 117.64 acres, more or less, of land, located off of Highway 79, from (ETJ) to LI (Light Industrial). (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 11, THREE, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION FOR ZONING FOR THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE IRONWOOD TRACT, 117.6, FOUR ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF OF HIGHWAY 79 FROM ETJ TO L I LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT JUST TO POINT OUT, UM, I KNOW THAT THE WAY THAT IT READS ON HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION, WE ARE TECHNICALLY REZONING IT FROM B2 NOW, BUT WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT THAT'S GOING TO PASS. SO WE STILL HAVE TO, UM, ALWAYS NOTICED THIS AS ETJ TO A DIFFERENT ANNEXATION SO WE CAN GET THEM ALL IN THE SAME. SO IF YOU SEE THAT, IT'S NOT REALLY A TYPE OF, IT'S JUST TECHNICALITIES ON THIS ONE. SO AGAIN, IT'S THE 117 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79. UM, WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND THE ANNEXATION. NOW WE WERE AT THE ZONING. UM, SO IT'S VACANT OR UNDEVELOPED ON THE WEST. THERE ARE, IT IS KIND OF THE SF ONE INDUSTRIAL USES, BUT THEY WERE OLDER HOUSES THAT ARE ALL THE INDUSTRIAL USES. NOW. UM, NORTH SAME, WE'VE GOT THOSE OLDER, UH, MINI STORAGE PLACES. EAST IS A PUD. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. AND THEN THE SF ONE RESIDENTIAL FOR EMERY FARMS AND THEN SOUTH IS U S 79. SO WITH THAT, WE DID NOTIFY 53 PROPERTY PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT 600 FEET, WE DID GET BACK TO, WE HAD ONE IN EMORY FARMS, AND THEN WE HAD THAT, UM, THE OWNERS TO THE NORTH THAT HAD CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND JUST THE TRAFFIC IN GENERAL IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN SOME OF THEM WERE ALSO ABOUT THE TRAFFIC WITHIN EMERY FARMS. IF THERE COULD BE, UM, SOMETHING DONE TO DO SOME TRAFFIC CALMING IN THAT AREA, UM, WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. THEY DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU AS WELL, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING TO THE CITY. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL. WE'LL DO THE PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY A PUBLIC HEARING, GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON IT, FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE AND A GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME'S AMANDA BROWN. I'M WITH KIMBERLY HORN. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER, UM, IRONWOOD. OH, GOT IT. SORRY. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IRONWOOD. SO THEY DEVELOP, UM, UM, BUSINESS PARK, INDUSTRIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY'RE BASED OUT OF DALLAS AND HAVE STARTED TO EXPAND ALL OVER TEXAS, PARTICULARLY IN, IN OUR NECK OF THE WOODS. THEY'VE GOT QUITE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS AROUND HERE. THEY ARE A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPER. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS BASICALLY THEY COME IN AND, UM, PUT DOWN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR BUSINESSES AND SMALL BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO QUICKLY OCCUPY. AND SO THERE'S NOT, UM, AN INTENT IN MIND AT THIS POINT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES WITH THAT IS THAT THESE, THESE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY MUCH MORE, MORE BEAUTIFUL THEY'RE LANDSCAPED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE MARKETABLE AND THEY HAVE TO BE NICER TO THE GUYS NEXT DOOR IN ORDER TO, UM, GET, UH, GET MORE TENANTS TOWARDS, TO LEASE IN THEIR BUILDING. SO THIS IS SITE LOCATION MAP. UM, THE PROPERTIES LOOK LOCATED AT ONE 30 AND 79. UM, AND IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, AGAIN, IS TO ALLOW A FORM AMENDMENT ANNEXATION AND REZONING TO ALLOW FOR AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK [01:15:01] TYPE WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A, AN IDEAL LOCATION, BOTH FOR THE CITY OF HADOW AND FOR US FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. UH, THE FIRST REASON IS THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. UM, THIS PROPERTY ON A MORE REGIONAL SCALE, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED RIGHT ALONG ONE 30, WHICH IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR, UM, FOR, FOR TEXAS AS A WHOLE. AND THERE'S ALSO GOOD PROXIMITY TO ICE, 35 THROUGH 79 AND 45, UH, ON A MORE SORT OF LOCAL LEVEL. THIS SITE IS SITUATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, UH, ADJACENT TO ONE 30. AND SO IT'S OUR, OUR, OUR EXPECTATION THAT MUCH OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, IF NOT ALL OF THE TRUCK, TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING FROM ONE 30 AND NOT GOING THROUGH THE CENTER OF TOWN, UM, ACTUALLY ALREADY KIND OF NICELY COVERED THIS. SO IN ADDITION TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT OF THIS, UM, IT REALLY DOES FIT IN WITH THE EXISTING FABRIC OF THE USES AROUND IT. SO TO THE NORTH IT'S WAREHOUSE AND INDUSTRIAL, PRIMARILY TO THE, UM, WEST IT'S UNDEVELOPED, UM, AND TO THE SOUTH IS 79 AND THEN ONE 30 THERE AS WELL. UM, SO THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, UH, HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, AND THERE'S, UM, A SMALL CORNER OF IT, UH, THAT IS ADJACENT TO, UM, A FUTURE LAND USE OF SINGLE FAMILY. BUT AGAIN, WE'LL BE ABSOLUTELY BEING VERY RESPECTFUL OF THAT. NOT ONLY COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THE SETBACKS, THE CITY OF HADOW HAS, BUT ALSO JUST BEING CONSCIOUS OF THAT WHEN WE'RE PLANNING DOING OUR, UH, PHOTOMETRICS PLAN AND, UM, AND NOISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO THE NORTH IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK DESIGNATION. SO IT REALLY, IT DOES ALSO FIT IN WITH THE FABRIC OF THE EXISTING, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THIS IS, UH, A MAP OF THE EXISTING ZONING. SO TO THE NORTH, I WAS GOING TO BE SURE AND CLARIFY THAT AS WELL. SO IT IS OWN SINGLE FAMILY, BUT TO JUST OBVIOUSLY INDUSTRIAL USERS, THERE'S SELF STORAGE, THERE'S AN RV STORAGE THERE AS WELL TO THE NORTH OF THAT IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE ANNEXED THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT. UM, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY OF HADOW ARE GOING TO BE, UM, QUITE GREAT WITH THIS. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE ANNEXATION IS THAT THOSE DOLLARS WILL THEN GO INTO THE COFFERS OF THE CITY OF HUDDLE FOR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL IMPROVEMENTS, ANYTHING, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, WITH THESE TYPES OF USERS, UM, THEY GENERATE PROPERTY TAX. THIS WILL BE AROUND A $222 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT INTO THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WILL GENERATE PROPERTY TAXES BASED ON THAT NEW ASSESSMENT, UM, INVENTORY TAX, POTENTIAL SALES TAX. OBVIOUSLY THAT DEPENDS ON WHO ACTUALLY ENDS UP OCCUPYING THE BUILDING. UM, BUT, BUT WE EXPECT A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH BOB FARLEY, UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OF THE CITY OF HADOW WHO'S HERE TONIGHT. UM, JUST TO KIND OF BE IN TOUCH WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN LINE WITH THE GOALS OF, OF HADOW. UM, AND HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT THIS ECONOMIC ANALYSIS TOGETHER FOR US, UM, THE ANALYSIS BASICALLY, AND EASIER TO SPEAK TO IT AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, BUT OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD, THE NET BENEFITS IN TOLEDO IS OVER ALMOST 7 MILLION, $17 MILLION. UM, THAT'S AN ADDITION TO JOBS, UM, AND AGAIN, AS I'VE ALREADY STATED, THE INVESTMENT WILL BE AROUND $222 MILLION. THAT'S JUST AN ESTIMATE, BUT, UM, THAT'S, UH, WE'LL GENERATE THE PROPERTY, TEXAS. I THINK ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION ABOUT THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THERE'S ALSO, UH, VERY LITTLE TOLL ON THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION, THESE TYPES OF USERS AND BUILDINGS TYPICALLY GENERATE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC THAN A HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY WOULD, OR A BUSY COMMERCIAL WOULD AS WELL. UH, THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE VERY LOW USERS OF BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE, UM, HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, NO SCHOOL CHILDREN WILL BE GENERATED FROM THIS AS WELL. UM, AND, UM, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. UM, IN CLOSING, I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT, UM, AS SOME OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, THE, THE VIABILITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS REALLY DEPENDENT ON A VERY TIGHT TIMELINE, UM, AND JUST TO KIND OF DRIVE THAT HOME. UM, AND I THINK ASHLEY MENTIONED THIS, UH, IN ORDER TO BE ON TONIGHT'S HEARING, UH, WE NEEDED TO AGREE TO A MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT DIDN'T OBLIGATE THE CITY TO GIVE US WATER AND WASTEWATER. UM, WE WERE WILLING TO DO THAT, TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS HEARING TONIGHT, UM, AT, AT PRETTY GREAT RISK. UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF EMPHASIZE OUR TIGHT TIMELINE, UM, WE'VE HAD, UM, ALMOST [01:20:01] NO NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION. UM, WE GOT UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'VE RECEIVED STAFF. SO WE VERY RESPECTFULLY AND HUMBLY, UH, REQUEST TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING OF THIS SONY CASE AS WELL. UM, AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT A WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE. UM, WE'VE GOT THE ENGINEER HERE, THERE'S A BOB RICE FROM THE DEVELOPERS HERE AS WELL. SO WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, AMANDA. I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:20 PM. IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE ZONING CHANGE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SO NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8 21, AN OPEN UP DISCUSSION TO THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MS. BROWN FOR BRINGING THE TEAM, THE WHOLE TEAM. UM, I HAVE, UH, I THINK IT'S MORE JUST THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT, AND THEN YOU KIND OF CORROBORATE WHAT I READ. SO WE'LL ALLIANCE BOULEVARD BE WIDENED. WE HAVEN'T NAILED THAT DOWN YET. TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WILL ABSOLUTELY COME WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO, THESE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY GENERATE SEMI-TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND WE ARE ALL ALIGNED WITH WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WORKS FOR US, UM, AND FOR THE CITY OF HUTTOE. SO, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AT THE SITE PLAN, WE WILL BE DOING A TIA, UM, AND ALSO PAYING TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES. SO, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT, UM, ISSUE BEING ACTUALLY MADE BETTER, HOPEFULLY. UM, DO YOU GUYS FORESEE, THERE'S ALSO ENCUMBERED BY A LOT OF FLOODPLAIN IF THAT'S ACCURATE. UM, SO DO YOU FORESEE THE NEED FOR ANY VARIANCES OR DO YOU PLAN TO GO WITH THE RIPARIAN SETBACKS? YEAH, WE PLAN TO COMPLY FULLY WITH ALL THE RIGHT PARENTS AT BAGS, FLOOD PLAIN SETBACKS. WE WILL BE DOING A DRAINAGE STUDY AND MODELING FOR THAT FLOOD PLAIN TO MAKE SURE IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. AWESOME. AND THEN, UM, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT, WHO DOES IRONWOOD TARGET AS TENANTS? UM, GOOD QUESTION. UH, THEY TARGET FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES. UM, A COUPLE OF, UM, THE TENANTS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, JUST SORT OF IN THE TEXAS REGION. UM, GM HAS ONE OF THEIR, THEIR TENANTS AND ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES, UM, RESTORATION HARDWARE IS ONE OF THEIR TENANTS IN THEIR FACILITIES. UM, AND IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, BUT ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS NEEDS SOME SORT OF STORAGE, UM, LOTS OF BUSINESSES THESE DAYS WITH, UM, UH, THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE SORT OF STOCKING UP ON THEIR GOODS SO THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY GET THEM TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. UM, AND SO LOTS OF CUSTOMERS LIKE THAT. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN MARKETING TOO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP ON M P AND Z WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, MOST OF IT'S GOING TO BE ON INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN COME IN ON LANCE BECAUSE WITH THE YMCA AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL, WE HOPE SOMEDAY, YOU KNOW, UH, SOUTH OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT ZONED FOR THAT THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO COME INTO THAT AREA WITH THEIR TRUCKS. SO THEY PRIMARILY COME FROM INNOVATION, UM, TURNING IN OFF OF THE ACCESS ROAD FROM ONE 30. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE SHE KIND OF SHOWED THAT GREEN ARROWS, RIGHT. I JUST, WHENEVER I READ SOMETHING AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING RECOMMENDED, I ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE TO BRING IT UP, CAUSE THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS THAT ALLIANCE BOULEVARD IS GOING TO BE WIDENED. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THAT MAY STILL BE FLEXIBLE, BUT I ALWAYS JUST LIKE THAT TO BE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT AND IS THAT WAY THE PUBLIC CAN KIND OF KNOW ALSO THE PLANS AND MAYBE WE WON'T NEED IT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT THE TIA AND THE IMPACT FEES WILL BE COMING FROM THAT. AND THAT, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. THAT'S GOOD AGAIN. YEAH. I THINK THIS PROJECT MAKES SENSE WITH TITAN, UM, INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH AND IT KIND OF FLOWING DOWN CLOSER TO A 79. I KNOW ORIGINALLY IT WAS ZONED FOR MULTI, A HIGH DENSITY, UM, FAMILY. UM, BUT SOUTH OF 79 OF COURSE IS THE BIG APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THAT WAY TOO. SO IT BRINGS SOME DIVERSITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, BRINGING, UM, THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW, BUT THE SKY'S THE LIMIT KIND OF WHAT THAT, UM, WITH THE PLAYERS THAT CAN COME TO HADOW, UM, AND, AND DO BUSINESS HERE. AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT IT IS, UM, A TEXAS BASED BUSINESS AND ALSO THAT, UM, THE BUSINESS THAT THE COMPANY'S, UM, BUILDING, UM, A SITE RIGHT NOW IN PFLUGERVILLE, IT'S JUST OFF OF ONE 30 AS WELL, KIND OF ACROSS FROM COMMUNITY IMPACT, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF ONE 30. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IT WELL. UM, [01:25:01] THAT PFLUGERVILLE HAS APPROVED THAT AND IT MAKES SENSE TRAFFIC WISE, UM, AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. THANK YOU. OUR DISCUSSION, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE. 11.3 IS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE SECONDED BY COUNSELOR KHULLAR APPROVING 11 THREE IS PRESENTED ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. YURI, NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE AYE. MAYOR TIM GORDON, MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON. I TELL SOME MEMBER CLARK TELL SOMEONE MERCOLA. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO, MOVED [11.3. (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-026 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13 (Legal)] AWAY WITH A SECOND READING. SECOND POSITION BY COUNCILMEMBER THORTON, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER CLERK WAVING THE SECOND READING. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE VERY NONE? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMAN WITH GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON MAYOR SCHNEIDER COUNCIL MEMBER CLERK CUSTOMER SAID, AYE, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. THAT BRINGS US TO [11.4. Hold a public hearing and consider action for UDC Amendment, amending the Code of Ordinances (2020 Edition, as amended), Chapter 4 Section 10.403.3 Lot Dimensions and Area and 10.406.3 Single household detached and two to four household residence design to amend requirements for garage door width and to add language for residential alleys. (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ITEM 11 FOR HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION FOR UDC AMENDMENT AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES 2020 ADDITION AS AMENDED CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 10 DOT 4, 0 3 DOT THREE LOT DIMENSIONS AND AREA AND 10 DOT 4, 0 6 DOT THREE, SINGLE HOUSEHOLD DETACHED AND TWO TO FOUR HOUSEHOLD RESIDENTS DESIGN TO AMEND REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGE DOOR WIDTH, AND TO ADD LANGUAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL ALLEYS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES. WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPERS COME FORWARD AND SAY THE GARAGE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO LIMIT THE APPEARANCE OF ALL THE GARAGES ON THE STREETSCAPE, BUT THEN WE DID NOT THEN CHANGE IT TO ALSO THEN REQUIRE ALLEYS ON THOSE SMALLER LOTS. SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO FIX SOME OF THOSE THAT JUST WEREN'T WORKING. AND WE WERE STARTING TO GET A LOT OF MORE VARIANCES. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODD CODE THAT IT SAYS THE GARAGE DOOR AND UP TO FOUR FEET OF THE SURROUND COUNTS AGAINST THE 50% THAT THE GARAGE AND THAT SURROUND CAN TAKE UP. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT SOMETHING IN HERE AT ONE OF THOSE MEATS AND ONE OF THEM DOESN'T. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CAN GET A HOUSE THAT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY WITH THE GARAGE FRONT. IT DOESN'T LIMIT WHAT THE GARAGE LOOKS LIKE. WE'RE GETTING FORWARD-FACING GARAGES ON MOST OF IT, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE SMALLER WATTS. SO FOR A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT REALLY STARTED TO GET TO BE ONE OF THOSE IS 51% AND ONE OF THEM IS, UM, 50.5. SO ONE OF THEM MATHEMATICALLY GETS THROUGH AND WITH THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY COME DOWN TO AS, I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE GETTING INTO INCHES AND BRICK DEPTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, AND IT STILL DID NOT MINIMIZE THE LOOK OF THE FRONT, UM, GARAGE. THE OTHER PART THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE WERE HEARING FROM IS IN THIS SF ONE VILLAGE AND AN SF ONE ZERO LOT LINE, YOU CAN DO THE 45 FOOT LOTS, BUT WE HAD NEVER ACTUALLY SAID AS A COMMUNITY WITHIN THE UDC, THAT THOSE SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS THAT WERE THAT SMALL NEED TO BE ALLEY LOADED. AND THE REASON THEY HAVE TO BE ALLEY LOADED IS BECAUSE ONCE YOU GOT INTO THAT 50% ROLL ON THE GARAGE DOOR, YOU COULDN'T MAKE THE HOUSE WORK ON A 45 FOOT LOT. SO SOME OF IT WAS JUST MATH, BUT BECAUSE PLATTING, YOU HAVE TO ONLY GO WITH WHAT RULES YOU HAVE. YOU CAN'T, WE CAN TELL THEM YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE BUILDING THE HOME, BUT WE COULD NOT MAKE THEM DO ALLEYS. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN HERE IS JUST CLARIFY THAT IF YOU HAVE A 45 FOOT LOT OR LESS, PUT IT PUT AN ALLEY ON IT, CAUSE THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE CODE, BUT IT WAS JUST, IT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY FULLY STATED. SO THE ONLY OTHER PORTION WE'RE TAKING OUT IS THAT IT'S, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT THAT UP TO FOUR FEET OF THE SURROUND, AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO COUNT THE GARAGE DOOR. SO THE HOUSES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUILDERS WITH THIS MARKET, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO SPECIAL. UM, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GIVE A SPECIAL PLANS, GO BACK AND REDESIGN ANYTHING. THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING IS THEY WERE HAVING TO GO BACK AND LOOK SCOUR THROUGH ALL OF THEIR PLANS TO SEE IF THEY COULD COME UP WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK HERE. AND WE WEREN'T REALLY SEEING THAT WE WERE GETTING THAT MUCH DIFFERENT OF A PRODUCT THAN WHAT OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WERE GETTING. THE ONE THING WE ARE STILL KEEPING IS THAT PROJECTION. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THOSE SNOUT HOUSES. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT PROJECTION ROLL THE SIX FEET. SO WE STILL WANT TO KEEP THAT, BUT IT'S JUST, WE ONLY WANT TO COUNT THE GARAGE DOOR, NOT THE GARAGE DOOR AND UP TO FOUR FEET OF THIS AROUND. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE DID GET APPROVAL, UM, FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM P AND Z AND, UM, STAFF ALSO, ALL RIGHT, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC HEARING, [01:30:01] FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:30 PM. IF THERE WAS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO THE UDC AMENDMENT, LET'S SEE NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT EIGHT 30 AND OPEN UP TO CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION. ACTUALLY I HAVE A QUESTION. DOES THE ESD HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ALL OF THE ALLEY LOADED? AND I KNOW THAT LIKE THE, THE LENGTH AND THE WIDTH OF THOSE ROADS AND THE ALLEY LOADING, IS THERE ANY CONCERN FROM THE ESU? NOT THAT WE'VE HEARD MAINLY BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THOSE FRONT FACING STREETS THAT HAVE THAT USUALLY SUFFICE FOR THEIR, UM, FIRE LANES. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WITH THE QUESTION OR NOT THE QUESTION, I'M SORRY, THE IMAGE ABOUT THIS, THE THIRD DOOR OR THE THIRD. UM, IF YOU HAVE A, BASICALLY THE PICTURE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IS THERE ANYTHING BEING CHANGED THERE? OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CODE. THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT READS OUT OF THE CODE. IT'S STILL ONE THAT RECENTLY, SO YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT, SO IF YOU HAVE THE TWO CAR AND THEN A THIRD, I DON'T HAVE TO OKAY. DETERMINE THE UP TO FOUR FEET OF SURROUND AND THE BRICK DEPTH ON THE SIDE TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE, THEY CAN GET THEIR HOUSES APPROVED. GOTCHA. AND THEN, AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, SO WHENEVER THEY'RE ALLEY LOADED, WILL IT STILL HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE OR WE HAVE THOSE DETACHED, LIKE WE SEE IN BROOKLYN'S EITHER. OKAY. OKAY. SO MY ONE QUESTION WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DRAMATICALLY GET MORE ALLEY LOADED THINGS IN THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT. MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE ALSO HANDLING, YOU KNOW, ALLEYS ARE ONE WAY, UM, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IN BROOKLYN'S WHERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE PARK, THEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GO, YOU CAN ONLY GO ONE DIRECTION AND TWO CARS, AND THEN YOU GOT BACK UP. AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO NOW MAKE WHERE ALLEYS BECOME MUCH MORE COMMON IN THE CITY, HAVE WE ALSO ADDRESSED HANDLING SOME THE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ALLIE ONE WAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? UH, WE CERTAINLY WILL NEED TO, I THINK ON THIS ONE WITH ALLEYS IN THE COST OF LAND, WE MAY NOT BE SEEING AS MANY 45 FOOT LOTS. IF YOU HAVE TO DO CONCRETE ON THE FRONT AND CONCRETE ON THE BACK. UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT DOES EAT INTO THEIR, UM, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET PER LOT, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO DO BASICALLY TWO STREETS. ONE OF THEM IS MUCH SMALLER. UM, BUT IF THEY DO COME IN, THEN YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START GOING OVER AS, AS HOW ARE WE GOING TO LOAD THE ALLEYS? HOW DO WE MAKE THAT WORK? UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PLOTTED, IT'S 45 FEET, THIS WON'T, THIS WON'T REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK AND REPLY AND GET INTO ALLEYS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO FIT HOMES ON THOSE LOTS, BUT JUST MOVING FORWARD. BUT WE'VE GOT PROBABLY 6,000 PAPER LOTS. SO IF WE START TO SEE MORE ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THIS IS JUST TO GET US THROUGH TO THAT UDC, UM, REWRITE. SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING AS FAR AS DENSITIES AND WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE LAND USES. AND THEN I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO WHENEVER THEY DO THE ALLEYS, ARE THOSE CONSIDERED PRIVATE ROADS? SO THEY, THE HOA OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OR WOULD THE CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ALLEYWAY AS WELL? TYPICALLY THOSE ARE PUBLIC. WE DON'T DO PRIVATE STREETS IN THE CITY PER THE UDC. OKAY. ADAM WAS LIKE THIS ASSAY TO LOOK IT AWAY, TO NOT DO ANY MORE ALLIE PRODUCT. THE PEOPLE IN THE BROOKLYN'S I READ ON THERE SEVERAL TIMES, MOST OF THEM ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE ALLEY. UM, EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE PARKING ON THE STREET. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT AVAILABLE PARKING SPOT ON THE STREET. AND THEN THE FEW PEOPLE THAT DO PARK IN ALLEYS, THEY ALL SEEM TO BE PARKING PARALLEL IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS REALLY NOT DEEP ENOUGH TO HOLD A CAR. IT BARELY HOLDS THE WIDTH OF A VEHICLE. AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS WAS THAT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO BUILD HOMES WITH GARAGES ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEY CAN'T QUITE MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND SO I'D ALMOST LIKE US TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME WAY TO ALLOW THE 45 FOOT LOTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO FALL INTO UDC CODE, BUT SOMEHOW NOT TO DO THE ALLEYS, NOT JUST FOR, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE WORKING THE WAY PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WOULD. BUT ALSO TO CALCIUM MCKINSEY'S POINT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE 50% MORE ROADWAY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MAIN ROAD THAT EVERYBODY WOULD USE IF IT WAS A REGULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN WE HAVE AN ALLEY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE REPAIRS AND UPKEEP TO. AND SO IF NO, ONE'S GOING TO USE THE ALLEYS, THE WAY THEY'RE INTENDED, ALMOST FELT LIKE WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT NOT EVEN HAVING THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT. I THINK IT'S MORE OF A FAD. AND THEN IT GOES AWAY. IT WILL BE STUCK WITH A TON OF HOMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE STREET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF COUNCIL HAS SEEN THE BROOKLYNS, BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF STREET PARKING AND ALL OF THEM. AND THEN THE BROOKLYN'S, IF YOU'RE NOT PARKING THE GARAGE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF IS A TWO CAR GARAGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PARK IN THEM, [01:35:01] REGARDLESS IF THEY'RE FRONT LOADED OR BACK LOADED, YOU'RE JUST NOT PARKING IN THEM. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING I TALKED TO WARREN ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO TO WHERE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE UDC, THE WHOLE THING TO ME SEEMS ALMOST LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE. I THINK PEOPLE DON'T PARK IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE GARAGE JUST DON'T FIT THE VEHICLES WE DRIVE TODAY. AND THAT'S JUST NOT, THE F150 IS A, A GOOD MEDIUM SIZED SUV DOESN'T FIT IN A GARAGE. AND SO PEOPLE HAVE GARAGES THAT YOU CAN'T PARK VEHICLES IN. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S HIT QUITE HERE, BUT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS OUT IN THE METRO AREA WHERE THEY MAKE IT, WHERE YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE CITY STREET OVERNIGHT ON. SO I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS, HOW ARE WE GETTING, UM, ALL THIS TO HAPPEN? SO I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL LIKE AN AMENDMENT TODAY THAT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT ALMOST MAKES MORE OF THE PROBLEM HAPPEN. WHEREAS MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE SOME THINGS NOW AND THEN LOOK AT IT FURTHER DURING, UH, OVERALL UDC REWRITE, BUT WE ALL SEE ISSUES WITH ALLIE HOLMES. HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM IN CEDAR PARK. I DON'T, I'VE NEVER OWNED A ALLEY LOADED HOME, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT IN CEDAR PARK. UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARILY OUT OF WHAT KIND OF THE REGION IS DOING AND DIVERSITY OF THE HIGHWAY, THE HOUSES LOOK AND ARE. I, I DON'T KNOW. AND, UM, AND ASHLEY AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION OR YOUR EXPERIENCE, I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES DO WITH THESE KINDS OF LOTS OR ARE WE KIND OF OUT IN LEFT FIELD? SO IT'S KIND OF A GIVE AND TAKE. THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPERS OUT THERE WHO REALLY LIKED THE ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT, BECAUSE YOU GET THAT MORE, YOU GET A MORE NARROW LOT, YOU GET A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD LOOK TO IT. IT DOES REDUCE IT TO GETS THE INTENT OF REDUCING, UM, ALL THE ELEVATIONS HAVING THAT GARAGE FRONT. AND SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE UDC WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN IN 2012. UM, BUT WE NEVER ACTUALLY REQUIRED IT ON THOSE SMALLER LOTS. AND IT'S USUALLY IN THE SMALLER LOTS THAT WE'RE SEEING THE ISSUE OF A 16 FOOT GARAGE DOOR UP TO A 20 FOOT GARAGE SURROUND YOU CAN'T FIT THE HOUSE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT WORK. UM, AND THEN YOU COULD DO A SINGLE CAR GARAGE, BUT DO WE REALLY WANT THAT WE ARE STILL SOMEWHAT OF A COMMUTING COMMUNITY. SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CARS ON THE STREETS. SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS MOVING FORWARD. BUT ONE THING THAT WE WERE CONSISTENTLY HEARING IS THE UP TO FOUR FEET AND COUNTING ALL OF THIS EXTRA SPACE TOWARDS THEM. AND THEN WE PUT IN THE 45 FOOT JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS THE INTENT THE ENTIRE TIME. UM, BUT I'LL TELL YOU LATELY, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A LOT OF ALLIE PRODUCT COMING IN UNLESS IT'S KIND OF A SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT OR, UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW, BUT THEY WERE REALLY, THEY WERE WITHIN PUD. SO WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT WITH A SPECIFIC PRODUCT TYPE FOR THAT. SO THERE WERE MORE OF ATTACHED UNITS AND TOWNHOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YEAH. OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, IF YOU TOOK OUT THE, WHERE YOU TOOK OUT THE FOUR-FOOT AROUND THE GARAGE, BUT YOU DON'T REQUIRE 40 ALLEYS HAVING TO BE ON 45, WOULD THAT ALLOW PRETTY MUCH THEN THAT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER, WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THEY WANT TO BE, BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW ANY 45 TO BE THERE. SO I WONDER IF THE ONLY CHANGE NEEDS TO BE IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ALL 40 FIVES HAVE TO BE ALLEY LOADED THAT I THINK THAT'S THE ONE. CAUSE THEN YOU GET, YOU ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO BRING A DIVERSITY OF PRODUCT AND IT'S NOT FORCING BY OUR DECISION, JUST ALLEYS, WHICH I THINK IS THE ONE ISSUE THAT GETS TO THE MAYOR'S POINT. YEAH. YOU COULD CERTAINLY CONDITION THAT. WE CAN JUST STRIKE THAT PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. WE'LL JUST TAKE OUT THE GARAGE AROUND. I THINK IT'S A STEP. I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING MORE IN TOWARDS, I'VE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT OF WHATEVER THE DEVELOPER WANTS. UM, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES ALWAYS HEARD IS THERE'S TOO MANY 45 AND 40 FOOT LOTS. WE NEED TO GO TO 50 AND 55. AND SO I DON'T MIND DOING A BANDAID FOR THE CURRENT SMALL LOTS, BUT WE ALSO HAD BIG DISCUSSIONS ON, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE 40 AND 45. AND SO PART OF ME IS THINKING, DO WE NOT TRY TO FIGURE A WAY TO TAKE THE EXISTING 6,000 LOTS AND MAKE THOSE DOABLE SO THAT EVERY DEVELOPER DOESN'T COME UP FOR AN AMENDMENT OR TRY TO DO A PUNCH JUST TO GET AROUND IT. BUT THEN GOING FORWARD, WHEN NEW DIVISION SUBDIVISIONS ARE MADE, WE DON'T DO A 45 OR WE DON'T DO A 40, WE JUST 50 IS IT? WE DON'T ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT BASICALLY THAT WE CAN DICTATE WHAT WE WANT. IF WE WANT WIDER STREETS, WE CAN GET WIDER STREETS. IF WE WANT LONGER DRIVEWAYS, I CAN EMORY FARMS. EVERYBODY HAS EITHER ADDED AN ADDITION TO THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH I THINK IS VIOLATING THE IMPERVIOUS RATIOS OF THE HOUSE. BUT THEY ADD ON A WIDTH OR THEY'RE ALL WEARING OUT THE GRASS BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO FIT MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THE DOORS. SO I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS GO IN. SO TO ME, THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST CHANCE WHERE WE CAN START AS THINGS COME UP, WE JUST DECIDED AS A COUNCIL, DO WE WANT ANY MORE 40 AND 45 FOOT LOTS? HOW DO WE WANT THEM TO BE? SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP, BUT I'D ALMOST RATHER [01:40:01] SEE JUST NO MORE ALLEY PRODUCT. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. MY ONLY THING IS THOUGH, HOW DO WE GET AROUND? WE STILL HAVE LOTS OF ETJ LAND AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE ETJ AND THEN HAVE THEY'VE DONE THEIR BUSINESS PLAN COMING IN AS A 45. AND THEY COULD JUST STAY AS A MUD OUT THERE. NOT SURE I FOLLOWED IT. I MEAN, ALL THE 40 FIVES WE'VE HAD COME IN HAVE COME IN OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COME IN HAS COME IN FROM THE TJ. AND SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE, IF YOU SET A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT, THEN YOUR DEVELOPER'S GOING TO HAVE TO THINK, WELL, 50, MAYBE THE MINIMUM, BUT I'M GETTING SEWER AND WATER VERSUS 45. I GUESS THERE'S A CHANCE THAT SOMEONE MAY SAY THAT IF YOU WON'T LET ME HAVE A 45 FOOT LOTS, I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO STAY IN THE ETJ AND BE A PUD. BUT I THINK ON ISSUES LIKE THAT, THEY CAN STILL COME TOWARDS TO US. WE CAN STILL DISCUSS IT. WE CAN HAVE, IF IT'S A FANTASTIC DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN STILL MAKE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, DIFFERENT DESIGN CRITERIA. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN OVERALL DEAL. WE JUST HAD A PROBLEM WITH, I MEAN, WE HAD THIS ONE DEVELOPER COME IN, I THINK LIKE 60% OF THE HOMES WERE 40 FOOT LOTS WHEN THEY FIRST PROPOSED IT. UM, AND NOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE PUSHING TOWARDS MORE 50 AND 60. AND I THINK EVEN SOME 75 SLOTS, BUT I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S A DISCUSSION FOR THE COUNCIL. WHAT DO WE WANT? BECAUSE WHATEVER CHANGE WE MAKE PEOPLE, WE WILL HAVE NOT A 4,000 LOTS COME IN ON THIS CHANGE BEFORE WE SEE IT AGAIN. YEAH. I THINK, UM, WITH THE ALLEY LOADED, YOU TEND TO SEE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY NARROW IN LOTS TENNESSEE SMALLER HOMES. SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE AS LARGE A TAX BASE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT EXTRA ROADWAY TO TAKE CARE OF WITH A BUNCH OF SMALLER HOMES THAT AREN'T PAYING AS MUCH TO THE CITY FOR THAT MAINTENANCE AS LARGER HOMES WOULD. UM, AND THEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE ETJ, IF YOU TELL THEM THEY CAN'T COME IN, IF THEY WANT THE REALLY SMALL LOT SIZE, IT'S KINDA HARD TO GO WITH A MUD ON SMALL HOUSES THAT ARE GOING AFTER A BUDGET MARKET. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HUGE PROPERTY TAX HIT FOR THE, FOR THE MUD TAXES ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S GONNA, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT SELL INITIALLY, BUT ONCE PEOPLE FIGURE OUT THAT THEY'RE GETTING HIT WITH A CRAZY PROPERTY TAX BILL TO LIVE THERE, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK OUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DISCUSS THIS SOME MORE. AND WHEN WE GET TO THE UDC REWRITE, WE NEED TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS THERE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY. SO MY THOUGHTS WERE, I HAD TWO THOUGHTS ON IT. ONE WAS FOR ME, IF IT'S GOING TO BE ALLEY LOADED, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA FOR THE DRIVEWAY BEHIND THE HOUSE. AS WE MAKE IN THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT, WE REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST ENOUGH DEPTH TO BE ABLE TO PARK A CAR WITHOUT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. AND ALL THAT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE MY STRONG PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT SAME REQUIREMENT. IF THEY'VE GOT ALLEY LOAD, I WOULD, I WOULD PUSH FOR THAT REALLY HARD. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT ELIMINATING 45 FOOT, LOTS BUT GREATLY RESTRICTING THEM IN OUR CITY. BECAUSE LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST IN OUR CITY TO WHERE WE COULD PRETTY MUCH SAY IT'S 50, 55 AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND I THINK THEY'LL STILL COME IN. UM, AND WE COULD LIMIT THOSE WHERE I, I TEND TO BE OKAY WITH 45, BUT LOTS IS IN THESE LARGE COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU'VE GOT A MIXTURE OF 45 AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 50 FOOT LOTS, AND YOU'VE GOT 65 FOOT LOTS. AND IT'S KIND OF THIS WAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST KIND OF MOVE UP AND STAY IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT BY THEIR STARTER HOME AND THEN BUY ANOTHER BIGGER HOME. THAT'S STILL IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALL 45, BUT THAT WOULD JUST, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE THAT WHEN WE STARTED OUT, HOW DO I START IT OUT? PRETTY MUCH, ALMOST EVERY LOT WITH 60 WAS LIKE A STANDARD. AND THEN WE'VE SEEN A SHRINKING DOWN AND YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY LIKED THE LARGER LOTS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE READY TO GO FROM HERE BECAUSE WE DO A LOT AT YA. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS LET'S STRIKE THIS PORTION FOR NOW. WE CAN REVISIT THIS THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE AND ALL OF OUR HOUSING TYPES, BUT KEEP THIS SECTION. SO WE WOULD STRIKE THE TEN FOUR OH THREE, BUT WE WOULD KEEP 4 0 6 FOR NOW. AND THAT WOULD BE UP FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION ON ALLEYS, NOT ALLEYS 45, NOT 40 FIVES. WHAT DO WE WANT THAT MIX TO LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU SAY STRIKE 4 0 3 WHAT'S OH, SORRY, 4 0 1 OUT OF THIS. WE WOULD JUST STRIKE, SORRY, THERE WE GO. UM, WE WOULD JUST STRIKE THIS PORTION FOR NOW. AND THAT WOULD BE FOR A FUTURE DISCUSSION THAT REQUIRING A 45 FOOT, LOTS TO ALL HAVE BE ALLEY LOADED. AND THEN WE WOULD STILL DO THIS PORTION BECAUSE IT DOES SATISFY A GREAT NEED. I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX. I [01:45:01] MEAN, WE'RE IN NONE OF, WE CAN'T EVER SAY YES TO A VARIANCE AND WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO EVERY SINGLE ONE. UM, SO THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 50.3 AND IT GETS THROUGH AND YOU HAVE A 50.8 AND IT DOESN'T, AND WE'RE DOWN TO MEASURING BRICK DEPTH ON HOUSES FOR ALL THE MASTER PLAN REVIEWS. SO FOR THAT, I WOULD SAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THIS PORTION, BUT WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE ALLEYS. CAUSE I'M HEARING YOU, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE COMP PLAN THAT WE'LL BE GOING OVER, LAND USES AND MIXES AND ALL OF THAT IS THIS SOMETHING IT'D BE BETTER TO BRING BACK TO US WITH THOSE CHANGES OR TRY TO DO IT NOW AND DO A SECOND READING ONE SENTENCE SO WE CAN STRIKE THAT, PASS IT TONIGHT, POTENTIALLY, AND THEN JUST WAIT AND HAVE THE FINALIZED VERSION OF TODAY. I JUST TAKE OUT THAT OTHER PORTION OF THE SECOND READING, TAKE OUT THIS SENTENCE, TAKE THAT OUT OF THE ORDINANCE COMPLETELY, UM, THAT LAST RED LINE, AND THEN WE'LL ONLY DO THE GARAGE PORTION, BUT I CAN CHANGE THAT ORDINANCE FOR YOU BY THE SECOND. YEAH, I'M GOOD AT THAT. CAUSE I'D ALMOST LIKE TO, IT COULD BE A LONG MEETING, BUT ALMOST LIKE TO BRING UP OR INTRODUCE AN ASSET PEOPLE FROM THE BROOKLYN'S TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT DO THEY FEEL LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO REAR LOADING GARAGES AND THINGS TO WHERE MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY OFF FOR WEAR OFF. MAYBE THEY LOVE IT. UM, BUT THEN BE ABLE TO GET INPUT. NOT ENOUGH. IT'S A SECOND READING NOW. IT'S IMPORTANT IF PEOPLE WANT THAT BACK IN, UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT LIKE A RUSH BY SOME DEVELOPER TO HURRY UP AND GET A BUNCH OF REAR LOADING NOW. OKAY. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN DO REAR OR ALLEY ON A 45 FOOT LOT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STAFF WAS SAYING IS THAT IF THE INTENT IN THE UDC SINCE 2012 WAS TO NOT HAVE A LOT OF GARAGE FACADES ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE 45 FOOT LOTS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELOADED. UM, BUT IF WE STRIKE THAT SENTENCE, THEN WE'RE NOT REQUIRING IT. SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE MAYOR PRO TEMPS POINT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REAR LOADING, YOU NEED TO HAVE A LONGER DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT WOULD NOT BE HERE. WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO OPEN UP A DIFFERENT SECTION. AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE. I WAS GOING TO SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT IT'S ON A SEPARATE, YEAH, IT'S, I'M SORRY. IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE CHART UNDERNEATH THIS ONE IN THE UDC. UM, IT WOULD BE THE SETBACKS. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR GARAGE OR ALLEY LOADED PRODUCT. AND WE COULD DO THAT SIMPLE AND I CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IN THE MEANTIME. UM, BUT CERTAINLY IF BROOKLYN'S DOESN'T WANT TO COME HERE, UM, WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE REST OF IT AND TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MIXTURES, WE COULD CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THE HOA, REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS AND SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY LIKED THE PRODUCT THAT THEY BOUGHT INTO AND HOW THAT WORKS FOR THEM. UM, AND REACH OUT TO THEM THAT WAY AND ACTUALLY KIND OF TRY TO BRING THEM INTO THE COMP PLAN AND THE MIX OF HOUSING, UM, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE FOR THE CITY OF THE FUTURE. SO, SO I AGREE, UM, MARY PER TIME, GORDON, WITH YOUR SUGGESTION, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO REAR LOAD, YOU, YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A CAR, BUT I SUSPECT THAT IF HE WENT TO A DEVELOPER AND YOU SAID WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT. AND THAT'S THE RULE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AS INTERESTED IN ALLEY LOAD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO A LOT MORE FRONT-LOADED INSTEAD, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM MUCH MORE LAND TO GET THERE AND I'D BE OKAY. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. SO I THINK WE WOULD POTENTIALLY SHUT DOWN SOME OF THIS ALLEY LOAD STUFF, JUST WITH THAT CHANGED EVEN. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE EARTH HERE OF, OF THE BROOKLYN'S AND YOU CAN'T PUT A BICYCLE ON SOME OF THESE DRIVEWAYS IN THE BACK. I MEAN, THEY ARE, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY VIRTUALLY BECAUSE OF THESE DETACHED GARAGES AND ALL THE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE STREET. SO I WILL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 10 DOT 4 0 6 DOT THREE, AS PRESENTED AND NOT ACCEPT THE OTHER AMENDMENT MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON APPROVING THE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 10.40 6.3. THAT CORRECT? YES, WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLERK. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SO WE'RE APPROVING 4 0 6 0.3 AND NOT 4 0 3 0.3. OR DO I HAVE THAT BACKWARDS? WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS PORTION THAT SAYS 45 FOOT, LOTS HAVE TO HAVE RELOADING GARAGES, BUT WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS, OR THE AREA, INCLUDING THE GARAGE DOOR AND UP TO FOUR FEET. SO 4 0 6 0.3 STAYS THE CHANGE STAYS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? VERY NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SAID I COUNCIL THORTON MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON KELSON MEMBER KINSEY MAYOR SCHNEIDER COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK KOHLER MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. [01:50:02] DOES ANYBODY [11.4. (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-027 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13 (Legal)] WANT TO WAVE THE SECOND READING MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, ESPECIALLY THE SECOND READING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE WAVING OF THE SECOND READING, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLERK, MAYOR TIM GORDON NELSON MEMBER SUTTON. I TELL SOME MEMBER COLA. I TELL SOME MEMBER KENZIE I NEAR SNYDER PASS MEMBER THORTON. HI, MOTION PASSES. SIX ONE. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE [11.5. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-015 amending Article 14.03, Noise, of the Code of Ordinances to establish regulations for permits for concrete installation during non-construction hours. (First Reading) (Ashley Lumpkin)] ADAM 11 FIVE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER OH DASH 2022 DASH 0 1 5 AMENDING ARTICLE 14.03. NOISE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ESTABLISH REGULATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR CONCRETE INSTALLATION DURING NON-CONSTRUCTION HOURS. OKAY. SO THIS ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I THINK WE'VE MADE ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED OR AT LEAST THE CLARIFICATIONS. I KNOW WE HAD ONE MORE CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET TODAY. UM, FROM BRIAN DIRECTLY WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THESE CHANGES, UM, PRETTY MUCH REDEFINING HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SO THAT, UM, AN APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US HOW LONG THIS IS GOING TO TAKE THEM. AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND DO A BACK AND FORTH TO SEE WHAT THEIR PLAN IS GOING TO BE. UM, THEY WILL NEED TO CONTACT BOTH. THEY'LL HAVE TO CONTACT STAFF AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE, 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE PORES. WE'RE STILL LEAVING IN THAT 600 FOOT. SO YOU HAVE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU STILL HAVE TO NOTIFY, YOU STILL HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD WITH THAT PORTION. UM, BUT THEN ALSO IF YOU'RE IN ONE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AND YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE YOU. GO AHEAD AND POUR, GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR WORK DONE. UM, AND SO WE DO STILL PUT IN THAT 10 DAY TIME KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT YOU NEED TO SUBMIT. YOU NEED TO GIVE US 10 DAYS. WE CAN'T, WE'VE USED TO GET THESE IN 24, SOMETIMES LESS HOURS PRIOR TO A POOR REQUEST. UM, AND THEN IF IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE WITH COMPLETE, WE'RE GOOD. IF I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS CAUGHT LEAVE BY THE MAYOR, THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING I BELIEVE YOU ALL GOT AN UPDATED STAFF REPORT. IT ACTUALLY SAID IF IT TOOK OVER 10 DAYS, IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY READS AUTOMATICALLY DENIED. WE DO WANT THAT TO BE AUTOMATICALLY DENIED. IF WE'RE HAVING GOING BACK AND FORTH. THE ONE COMMENT THAT I RECEIVED IS THAT, UM, LET ME GET TO IT HERE. UM, IF IT'S DENIED, THEN THEY CAN'T COME BACK FOR 30 DAYS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE COMMENTS BECAUSE IF WE SEE COMMENTS AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS EASY THING TO FIX. CAN YOU AGREE TO THIS? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DENY THE PERMIT. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT, NOT JUST NOPE. AND YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR 30 DAYS. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE THE INTENT. WE STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, UM, OUR OUTSIDE PARTNERS AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING PROCESS. UM, THE REST OF IT PRETTY MUCH IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING GENERALLY IN THE AREA, AS FAR AS LIGHTING AND NOISE AND THE REST OF IT. AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THEIR STAGING PLANS. SO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT LINING UP BEHIND THE HOMES, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THEN, YEAH, SO THEY HAVE A SOUND ENLITE MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WILL THERE'LL BE TURNING INTO US. AND FOR THE REST OF IT, THERE'S CONTACT INFORMATION. NOW SOMETIMES WE'RE MISSING THAT INFORMATION ON SITE. SO AT LEAST IF WE'RE GETTING OUT THERE, WE'RE AWARE THAT CHIEF IS AWARE, UM, PRIOR TO THAT, AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE ALSO AWARE. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I KNOW WE HAVE A SPEAKER. YES. IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN GO BACK FOR DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. FIRST UP, WE HAVE RYAN BIRD. GOOD EVENING, SIR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S EARLY? IT, WEREN'T SORRY. UM, NO, UH, ASHLEY AND I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY. UM, SHE COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WERE, WAS CONCERNING TO US, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT STEP FORWARD FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO GET THINGS ADDRESSED IN YOUR CITY FASTER AND PRODUCTS DELIVERED ON TIME AND WITH A HIGH QUALITY. THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT. SO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. SO I HAD A COUPLE, SO IT SAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE HOS AND ALL THAT. THAT IS BY LETTER. IS THAT CORRECT? OR SOMETHING TO WHERE THEY GET IT? UM, IT ALSO SAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE PD. COULD THAT BE EMAILED? DOES THAT HAVE TO BE LETTER A GOOD ONE TO, YEAH. CAUSE TO ME, I WOULD THINK IF THERE ARE NOTIFYING US, I WOULD EX I WOULD ACCEPT AN EMAIL AS WRITTEN AS LONG AS IT GOES TO TWO OF US AND [01:55:01] WE CAN SEE, AND IT COULD GO TO COMMAND STAFF BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF REDUNDANCY IN THERE. SO LIKELY, UM, IT DOES SAY IN HERE, AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET TO THE APPROPRIATE PAGE ON HERE. UM, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERMIT TO BE ISSUED. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SAY, HERE'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR IT. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, DO THE SOP IS CREATE THIS DOCUMENT, LET THEM KNOW WHICH EMAILS SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS IT. UM, BECAUSE CERTAINLY IF I WAS OUT OF TOWN, I DON'T WANT IT JUST TO GO MISSING. UM, AND THEN HIT THAT 10 DAY MARK. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY SECOND QUESTION WAS IF THAT HAPPENS AND THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE WHERE AN EMAIL GETS LOST AND WE DON'T TAKE ACTION AND THEN IT GETS DENIED. I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK IN A MONTH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THE EMAIL OR DIDN'T ACT ON IT ONE WEEK BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIRM UP THAT PROCESS. THIS IS JUST LETTING US KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE GOING TO BE. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE TO CREATE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY COME IN, SUBMIT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE NOW, UM, THAT WITH THAT 48 HOUR POOR AND HOW LONG THIS IS. AND SO THAT PD, IF THEY ARE GETTING CALLS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED, THIS IS WHEN IT WAS APPROVED. AND THEN ALSO THIS IS WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO POUR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. I SAID, I'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ONE QUESTION THAT I READ IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT HAD TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT HERE, HAD TO DO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION WORK 10, I THINK IT, THAT CHANGE ABOUT COLLECTIVELY CONSTRUCTION HOURS IN A MANNER THAT THE SOUND THERE FROM CREATES NOISE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. ROD GOT CONFUSED. IS IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU COULDN'T DO ANY EXCAVATION, DEMOLITION, ALTERATION REPAIR WORK ON ANYTHING BETWEEN THESE HOURS THAT EXCEEDED DECIBEL LEVELS. BUT THEN I GOT CONFUSED AS THE END WHERE IT SAYS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE IS AUTHORIZED UNDER ONE OF WORDING OR SOMETHING IS A LITTLE BIT OFF BECAUSE I GET THE INTENT. I'M SAYING WHEN I READ THAT IT'S IT SAYS, SO THE HOURS AND IT'S MEASURED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SECTION B, IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN 600 FEET, OR IF IT'S WITHIN 600 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AREA CHURCH, HOSPITAL MOTEL, BUT THEN EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF URGENT NECESSITY IN INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE, AND THEN ONLY SO BECAUSE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE WILL NEVER BE A PUBLIC SAFETY, UNLESS LIKE SOMEONE HAD TO, SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE ROAD COLLAPSED AND YOU HAD TO FIX IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND WE, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE DOING THAT OVERNIGHT. UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK PUT INTO THAT ONE. SO, UM, SO INSTEAD OF, AND THEN ONLY I THINK, OR WOULD WORK BETTER THAN THOSE THREE WORDS JUST STRIKE AND THEN ONLY, AND WE COULD PUT, OR FOR THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE AS AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS OTHER SECTION. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER THEM BEFORE THEY DID CONCRETE FURTHER DOWN WITH OUR AUTHORIZED, THEN IT COULD ONLY HAPPEN THROUGH THOSE TIMES. AND THE SOUND HAD TO BE YEAH, CORRECT DEVELOPMENTS TYPICALLY NOT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, I THINK. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO ANYBODY, UM, MY ONLY QUESTION IS THERE A, A FEE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING STAFF TIME TO DO THIS AND STUFF. UM, SO IS THERE, IS THERE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT? I HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT A FEE BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SEPARATE FEE ORDINANCE, BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS TO BOTH, UM, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, TURNER, AS WELL AS CFO RIOS. AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT FEES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT, NOT ONLY ARE WE BEING CHARGED BY THIRD-PARTY, BUT WHAT, W WHAT'S IT ACTUALLY COSTING THE ACTUAL COST OF IT? SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT IF WE SEE KIND OF LIKE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, SUBMITTALS FOR ALL THE HOME PLANS, IF WE SEE THAT IT'S REALLY STARTING TO TAKE UP SOME STAFF TIME THAT ABSOLUTELY, I THINK THERE WILL BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE APPLIED TO THAT, JUST SO THAT WE CAN RECOUP SOME OF OUR STAFF TIME MOTION TO APPROVE 11.5 WITH THE AMENDMENT OF STRIKING, THEN ONLY IN, AND THEN ONLY PUTTING THE WORD OR INSTEAD LISTEN BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY CUSTOMER CLERK APPROVING THE ORDINANCE. OH, DASH 2022 DASH 0 1 5 WITH THE AMENDMENT IN 14.0303 STRIKING AND THEN ONLY IN ADDING, OR DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT IN PARAGRAPH 10 PARAGRAPH? 10 OF 14.0 3.03 [02:00:01] B 10 V 10. YUP. YUP. YUP. UH, NO, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S ACTUALLY ONE, A ONE B. THEN WHEN YOU SEE IN TWO, I MISSED, UH, JUST 10. YEAH. I JUST HAVEN'T LIKE, OH, THE B IS UNDER TWO. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. HI COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER. I ALSO REMEMBER CLARK COUNCILMAN WITH THE WOMAN NUMBER SEVEN. I REMEMBER KINSEY I MAYOR SNYDER. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO MOTION TO WAIVE THE SECOND [11.5. (a) Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-015 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13 (Legal)] READING MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE WAVING A SECOND READING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. I BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, KOHLER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. TELL SOME MEMBER KENZIE I NEAR SNYDER. I TELL SOME MEMBER SET. HOW'S IT GOING WITH JORDAN? I TELL SOME MEMBER CLARK NELSON NUMBER KOHLER MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. RIGHT. THAT BRINGS [11.6. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-028 establishing an Outside Agency Funding Advisory Committee; and providing for related matters. (City Council)] US UP TITLE 11, SIX CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER OH DASH 2022 DASH 0 2 8. ESTABLISHING AN OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND PROVIDING FOR MATTERS. I FORGOT WHO WAS TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS ON THE COUNCIL. I SUGGEST I MADE THE SUGGESTION. I READ THROUGH THE ITEM. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S WHAT IS SUGGESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM, SO FOR THIS YEAR IT WOULD BE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUTTON COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AND COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY WOULD BE THE COMMITTEE AND THE NEXT YEAR IT WOULD BE MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER COLA, AND MYSELF WOULD BE THE COMMITTEE NEXT YEAR. UM, SWITCH BACK AND FORTH OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE, UH, BOARDING COMMISSION NOMINATING COMMITTEE IS. SO IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW IT OPERATES. SO I GUESS IT WILL BE UP TO YOU THREE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND HOPEFULLY MINIMIZE THE, THE BURDEN ON THE CITY STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. RIGHT. LET'S DO THE IDEAS FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE TO KIND OF DO THE LEG WORK, DO ALL THAT, THEN BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR US TO FORMALLY RIGHT. AND BRING A RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN, CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. OKAY. DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, I WOULD ASSUME. YES, I LIKE IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. IT'S NICE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO WOULD THAT COMMITTEE BE PART OF, UM, COMPILING, UM, THE APPLICATIONS AND GETTING THEM OUT AND IDENTIFYING THE NON-PROFITS OR THAT WOULD WE JUST QUALIFIED? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK OUT WITH THE CITY MANAGER. IT'S KIND OF IT'S UNDEFINED. SO YOU GUYS DEFINE IT. YOU GET TO DEFINE HOW IT WORKS THIS YEAR. WELL, YEAH, WE'LL DISCUSS IT, BUT I WOULD SAY FOR TRANSPARENCY, I'D RATHER STAFF BRING WHAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY FILL OUT THEIR APPLICATIONS, THEY BRING A PACKET. WE GO THROUGH THAT, JUST LIKE PEOPLE THAT ASK FOR THE NOMINATING COMMITTEES, THEY GO APPLY. THEY SUBMIT YOUR, YOU GET TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH THOSE APPLICATIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT BOARDS, SAME KIND OF THING. SO W THERE THERE'S NO, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR QUID QUO PRO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I GUESS, W WHAT STAFF PLANNING ON BRINGING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO US AT SOME POINT, OR YES, WE WERE, WE'RE WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROCESS. IN FACT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA, BUT, UM, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER THE PROCESS INSTEAD, I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. IT'S UP TO YOU. HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT? UM, SO WE WOULD BE HA WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE PROCESS, STILL INTENDING FOR STAFF TO SEND OUT THE APPLICATIONS, EVERYTHING, TO COME BACK IN TO CITY HALL, TO STAFF AS IT HAS IN THE PAST. AND THEN IF YOU WANT STAFF TO SIT ON THE COMMITTEE WITH YOU, WE WOULD APPOINT IF WE COULD HAVE SOME STAFF MEMBERS WORK WITH THE COUNCIL TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW THOSE. SO, YEAH, I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING THIS PASS ON A FIRST READING, BUT THEN GOING OVER WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PASSING THAT, AND THEN INCORPORATING THAT INTO THIS FOR A SECOND READING, BECAUSE WHAT I'D HATE TO HAVE, WE'RE TALKING OVER SIX FIGURES INSIDE. I'D HATE TO HAVE NOT JUST YOU THREE, BUT ANY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS BE TASKED WITH HOW WE'RE GOING TO DOLE OUT SIX FIGURES, BECAUSE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY SAY, WE DON'T WANT STAFF INVOLVEMENT AT ALL. AND WE TELL THE CITY MANAGER, WE DON'T WANT YOU INVOLVED IN, I'D RATHER HAVE A NON, [02:05:02] YOU KNOW, MY ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT YOU POLITICIZE THE NONPROFIT SECTOR AND WITH STAFF IN THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY POLITICAL REASONS TO DO ANYTHING, BUT SO THAT STAFF RECOMMEND THE PROCESS TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL TO APPROVE. AND THEN THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN GO OUT AND IMPLEMENT THE PROCESS. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT HE SAID, BUT HE SAID IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. SORRY. I WAS LOOKING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. THAT WAS GOOD. AND PART OF THAT WAS JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. CAUSE I THINK WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND TYPICAL SCHEDULE, BUT WE DO HAVE IT SCHEDULED. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AND IT IS ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA. SO WE WILL BE SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT THAT. EITHER QUESTIONS OR ACTION FOR THIS ITEM. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11.6 AS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY A MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, APPROVING 11, SIX, PRESENTED ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. SNYDER. I TELL US A MEMBER KOHLER. HI COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. HOW'S A MEMBER THORTON. HEY, PRETEND GORDON. HOW'S A MEMBER. CLARK WILSON MEMBER SAID HI, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. DOES ANYONE WISH TO DISPENSE WITH A SECOND READING HEARING? NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 12, ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLY MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UM, WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO YOUR PROCESS AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL ALSO ESTABLISH THIS COMMITTEE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY HAS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. OKAY. NOPE. SOUNDS GOOD. I WAS ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD PASS THE, IF THIS PASSES, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THIS ONE PASS AFTER IT AND FORMALIZE IT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 12, ONE [12.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT, REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISON IN AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. I HAVE SOMETHING, SIR. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMOVE MANDY SALVO FROM THE COTTONWOOD L G C MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, REMOVING MANDY COUNSEL, MANDY VILLAREAL, SALVO FROM THE, WHAT WAS THAT COTTONWOOD COTTONWOOD LDC. IT WAS SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION. SO PER OUR PROTOCOLS APPOINTMENTS TO LGC IS ALSO GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. UM, AND THEY GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS AS THE OTHER BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS. DO WE NOT WANT TO FOLLOW THAT PROCESS AND GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE? OR DO WE WANT TO JUST, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR PROTOCOL, SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO CONSCIOUSLY BYPASS THAT AND NOT HAVE IT GO THROUGH THERE, OR IF WE JUST WANT TO DO IT TONIGHT OR IF WE CAN, WE PROBABLY SHOULD STICK WITH THE PROTOCOL. I MEAN, BUT FOR THE PROTOCOL SAYS WE CAN REMOVE PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH NOMINEE COMMITTEE SO WE COULD DO THAT REMOVAL. BUT THEN I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO PROPOSE TO PUT SOMEBODY BACK ON TONIGHT. I THINK THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCESS. WHERE'S THAT AT? BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE, WHEN WE APPOINTED PEOPLE, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. WE DID IT UP HERE. YEAH. IT'S IN A, WELL WHAT TEND TO, YEAH. SO, OKAY. LET ME, LET'S SEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO COUNCIL PROTOCOL, BUT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN ITS OWN RESOLUTION. WOULD IT NOT? WELL POSSIBLY. SO CAUSE IF THAT OVERRIDES IT, SO IT SAYS, UM, STARTING AN F ON PAGE 1 32 PROCESS RE-APPOINTMENT TO CITY BOARD COMMISSION COMMITTEE, EDC LGC TERS OR TASK FORCE. SO WE DID INCLUDE ALL THOSE IN THAT PROCESS. UM, IS THERE A SEPARATE PROCESS FOR THE LDCS TO WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE DONE A SPECIFIC WAY? I MEAN, IS THAT ONE, MAYBE WE COULD ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THAT'S ONE WHERE STATE LAW OVERRIDES THIS AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW A DIFFERENT PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PROCESS. [02:10:03] YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THOSE BYLAWS IN FRONT OF ME, SO I, I CAN'T SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I THINK EITHER WAY WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMOVAL TONIGHT AND THEN FIGURE OUT FROM THE, UH, YEAH. AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, DO WE HAVE AN LGC MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING? WELL, THERE WOULD STILL, AS LONG AS TWO PEOPLE ARE THERE, IT'LL BE FINE. SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR MADE BY COUNSELOR CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNSELOR SUTTON, ANY DISCUSSION, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE FOR TIM GORDON. I AND HEAR SNYDER. AWESOME AUTHORITY. I ALSO REMEMBER SUTTON. I CALL SOME NUMBER OF KINSEY. I TELL SOME NUMBER CLARK. HI, HOW'S THE NUMBER KOHLER BUSH AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO. AND THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WILL BE INTERVIEWING TWO INDIVIDUALS, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK FOR HOSPITAL APPOINTMENTS TO OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THAT ONE? WELL, SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE LGC, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN HAVING COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE LDCS AND WITH THE LEGAL ISSUES. I THINK IT STILL MAKES SENSE TO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE LTCS PERSONALLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THE, EXACTLY THE SAME PROCESS. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS THAT OR SOMETHING. YEAH, PRETTY QUICKLY, BECAUSE WE ARE DOWN, UP DOWN A PERSON ON THAT RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY THE SAME THING WITH THE TOURIST BOARD. RIGHT? WELL, THE TOURIST HAS BEEN OPEN AND WE HAVEN'T HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE CHURCH SPORTS WE'VE HAD THAT OPEN. AND ACTUALLY, UM, SINCE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT DEFINED THAT THE FIRST TOURIST BOARD, THE SEATS ARE ACTUALLY ASSIGNED, SOME OF THEM ARE ASSIGNED BY THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THEM ARE ASSIGNED BY THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT EVEN ALL OUR PROCESSES. RIGHT. BUT I, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF GETTING FROM, IF WE HAVE IT IN OUR PROCESS THAT THE TOURIST BOARD NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. I, WELL, I GUESS WE COULD, OH YEAH. INCLUDE THE, YOU KNOW, WELL, PEOPLE CAN APPLY FOR THE TOURIST BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE LGC, BUT SO DOTTY, THE LDC DOES HAVE ITS OWN BYLAWS AND IT HAS A PROCESS OUTLINED IN THERE FOR APPOINTMENTS. CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE IT'S APPOINTMENT JUST BY COUNCIL, BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO, BUT I WOULD WANT TO VERIFY THAT IT'S IN, SO IT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT GO TO A NOMINATING COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL OF A WHOLE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UM, LET'S SAY TO COME UP ON THE NEXT MEETING, I WAS GOING TO RECALL TEN TWO AND JUST FIX IT RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN ALSO COVER YOURSELVES BY, UM, LOOKING AT YOUR PROTOCOLS AND WAVING THE, TAKING A VOTE ON WAVING THAT PARTICULAR PROTOCOL. IF IT DID APPLY THAT YOU HAD TO USE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO RECALL. 10 TO SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO BRING BACK UP 10 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION AND RESOLUTION NUMBER ART ASH, 2022 DASH 0 4 6, AMENDING THE CITY COUNSELOR PROTOCOL POLICY TO ESTABLISH AND CLARIFY PROCEDURES FOR APPOINTMENTS REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS OF MEMBERS OF CITY BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS. SO MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE PROTOCOLS IN SECTION ONE F N G TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO LGC LDCS IN, IN THOSE TWO SECTIONS ANYWHERE IT SAYS LGC TO REMOVE THOSE JUST LGC OR TOURISTS AS WELL. I THINK I'M OKAY WITH HER STILL. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT DC. YEAH. I, I THINK THE WAY THE TOURS HAS BEEN DONE, I THINK IT STILL FITS. OKAY. SO THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS. YOU SAID IN ONE F ONE G REMOVE ALL. LET'S SEE, LET ME MAKE SURE I'VE GOT, SO ONE F IS PROCESS FOR APPOINTMENT YEAH, THAT SAYS A B I GOT REMEMBERED. I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE A G AND THEN B, C, B, AND H. [02:15:01] YEP. AND FIX THOSE TWO SHOULD BE AN I AND CORRECT. ANY MISS NUMBERING AND MISS LETTERING THAT WAS SET CALLED DOTTIE SCRIBNER'S ERRORS. YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO IN ONE F AND G TO REMOVE THE LGC REFERENCES, THAT SOUND RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. I A MEMBER OF CLARK MAYOR SNYDER. I MAYOR PUT TIM GORDON. I HAVE SOME MEMBER KENZIE. I GOT SOME NUMBER OF KOHLER. I HAVE SOME MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ARE WE GOING BACK TO ITEM 12 ONE? YEAH. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SERVE A MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, I WOULD NOMINATE YOU TO BE ON THE COTTONWOOD LGC. SO I'M ON RIVER CREEK. IS THAT ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY BETTER BECAUSE A LOT OF THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE THE EXACT SAME LEGAL ISSUE. AND A LOT OF THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN JOINT MEETINGS AS WELL. RIGHT. AND THE ONE PROBLEM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS IF WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON SAME LEGAL ISSUE, GIVEN TWO DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, I THINK THAT COMPLICATES, WHEREAS YOU HAVE ONE PERSON, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. SO IT COMES, REMEMBER THORTON YOU'RE ON BOTH AND PUT ME ON BOTH AND IT WOULD KEEP THEM ALL THE SAME. YES. ALL THREE WOULD BE THE SAME TO BOTH BOTH. OH, ALL THREE OF THEM. TWO WOULD BE THE THREE MEMBERS WOULD BE THE SAME. YES. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. THAT, SO THE MOTION IS TO MAKE MAYOR PRETEND GORDON MOVING TO THE COTTONWOOD. LGC DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE CUSTOMER RICOLA. I REMEMBER CLARK. REMEMBER I REMEMBER SAID I REMEMBER THORTON. NO SCHNEIDER MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. I HAD ONE OTHER THING ON THAT. UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM OR CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT, WELL, I GUESS IT DOES SIN CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS. SO NOW THAT WE'VE HAD CHANGEOVER, SHOULD WE KIND OF MAYBE ADDRESS THAT IN WHICH BOARDS ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A LIAISON RIGHT NOW OR LET THOSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT TOOK OVER THOSE SEATS, WHAT THEIR PREDECESSOR WAS THE LIAISON FOR? SO THEY'RE AT LEAST AWARE. OKAY. WELL, I HAVE ONLY BEEN THE LIAISON FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD FOR ONE MEETING. SO I'D RATHER NOT ROTATE RIGHT AWAY. UM, I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIA RAIL SALVO WAS LIAISON FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. SO THAT ONE WOULD BE OPEN RIGHT NOW AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN SPEAK FOR THEIR ROLES. I I'VE BEEN ON P AND Z FOR THREE YEARS. I'VE BEEN WILLING TO MOVE. NO ONE ELSE WANTED TO DO IT. SO, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF I I'D BE HAPPY TO ROTATE, I'D BE VERY HAPPY TO ROTATE BECAUSE THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I WANTED WAS SO THAT I CAN KIND OF ROTATE AROUND AND LEARN NEW THINGS AND GET INVOLVED A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND SO I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH MOVING IF SOMEBODY ELSE'S WILLING TO, BUT I DON'T. CAN WE DO IT TONIGHT? IS THAT, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH, SHOULD WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT, I MEAN, CAUSE I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD, NOT JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MORE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAN THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND UM, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER. LIKE PETER, I'D LOVE TO BE ON PNC, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT, RICK. UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT, I KNOW A LOT ABOUT HPC BECAUSE YOU KNOW, UM, I'M A LOVER OF HER HISTORY. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK SO THAT WE DON'T GET STAGNANT IN HAVING THE SAME PERSON ON THE SAME BOARD OR COMMISSION THE ENTIRE TIME. HOW DOES THAT WORK? I THINK THE WHOLE, UM, LIAISON THING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND KIND OF COME UP WITH ITS OWN PROTOCOLS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SECTION OF IT AT THE VERY END OF OUR PROTOCOLS. THERE IS MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND REVAMP IT AND THEN MAYBE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE POSSIBLY ABOUT ROTATING AND HOW THAT HAPPENS [02:20:01] AND WHEN FLUSHING IT OUT. I THINK MY INTENT WAS JUST TO MORE OR LESS SINCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LIAISON. SO LIKE PARKS RIGHT NOW DOESN'T HAVE A LIAISON. SO I DEFINITELY THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT REORGANIZING AND HOW WE CAN ALL MOVE AROUND. BUT JUST SO OF THE PEOPLE THAT KIND OF JUST GOT ON, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE UP PARKS OR EVEN AN EXISTING, THERE WERE SOME WILLING TO TAKE UP PARKS. OKAY. I JUST NOMINATE MYSELF. I JUST DON'T WANT A BOARD TO NOT HAVE A LIAISON OR NOT HAVE SOMEONE PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. LISTEN BY COUNCIL MEMBER, SECONDED BY CONSUMER CLARK APPOINTING CUSTOMER KOHLER TO THE PLAYS ON POSITION. THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, ALL I WOULD SAY IS, IS WE TWO NEW MEMBERS, CUSTOMER AUTHORITY AND BEING NEW TO HIS BOARD. THEN I WOULD SAY, WE DO THIS. AND THEN I'D PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION TO JUST CUSTOMER SUTTON, GO TO P AND Z. AND THEN CUSTOMER GORDON, GORDON CAN FIGURE OUT WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BE A LIAISON. AND THERE WAS AN UP BOARD. WE CAN DO A SWAP AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON OUR PROTOCOLS LATER FOR IT. BUT ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE LIAISON APPOINTMENT COMES CUSTOMER COOLER, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE, TELL US A MEMBER KINSEY ALSO MEMBER KOHLER, COUNCIL MEMBER JORDAN PUT TIM GORDON NEAR SNYDER, WHO WAS A MEMBER CLARK THAT'S A MEMBER SAID HI, AND YOU KNOW, PERRY, RIGHT? YUP. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LIAISON, BUT AS FAR AS CAP COG, GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THEN THE CLEAN AIR COALITION AS WELL. SO WHAT IS THIS MANDY HUMBLE? YES, SHE WAS SO, UM, OH GOSH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ACRONYM STANDS FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT THOSE IT'S LIKE THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT KEPT CALLING CAL COG. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT STANDS FOR, BUT THE CLEAN AIR COALITION. UM, AND THEN CAP COGS. THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE. ALL RIGHT. SO IF SOMEONE WANT TO SERVE ON A CLEAN AIR COALITION ONCE A MONTH, ALL RIGHT HERE, NOLAN I'LL APPOINT COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON TO THESE LIAISON SPOT FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A SECOND. FOR THAT SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT APPOINTMENT, HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, I TELL SOME OF THE CLARK MR. SNYDER. I WAS A MEMBER BOARD. I'M SORRY. MAYBE FOR TIM GORDON, SOME NUMBER THORTON NUMBER POLAR. I ALSO REMEMBER KINSEY. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO AS MAYOR PRO TEM HAVE A, I GUESS, DID YOU HAVE A BOARD THAT STRIKES YOUR FANCY RIGHT NOW? OR DO YOU WANT TO GIVE IT A MEETING AND DO HBC IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE NZ? THAT WORKS. OKAY. YEP. I'LL SECOND. THAT, THAT WAS EMOTION, RIGHT? SURE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. SECOND BY MAYOR SNYDER, APPOINTING MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, THE HPC AS LIAISON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE NELSON NUMBER KOHLER NELSON NUMBER. I MAY PULL TIM GORDON NEAR SNYDER. REMEMBER CLARK WHAT'S THE NUMBER SAID, AYE, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO WITH ALL THESE, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN, UM, ANGELA, WE CAN SEE WHO ALL'S ON, WHAT? AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S A HOLE AND WE CAN REVISIT IT IF THERE'S A SECOND BOARD OR SOMETHING. SOMEONE WANTS TO BE A LIAISON TO, YEAH. I'D JUST LIKE TO CONFIRM WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE FOR CAP COCK AND THE CLEAN AIR COALITION. I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP PEOPLE TO KNOW IF THEY, IF THEY CAN MAKE THAT WORK WITH THEIR SCHEDULE OR NOT. CAUSE THERE ARE DURING THE, I THINK THEY'RE DURING THE DAY THEY'RE AT LIKE 1130 OR 1230. THEY'RE LIKE LUNCHTIME MEETING. OKAY. CAN WE CAN AUSTIN I'M CITY MANAGER TO GET THAT INPUT COURSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON 12 ONE? ALL RIGHT. MOVING [12.2. Consideration and possible action to direct staff to amend the TIRZ 2 Project and Financing Plan. (Legal)] [02:25:01] ON ITEM 12 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF, TO AMEND THE TERS TO PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. SO, SO YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THAT THE TERS TO, UH, PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN WAS PROPOSED AND IT CONSISTED OF THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ON PAGE 2 64 OF YOUR PACKET, YOU HAVE THE MAP OF THE TOUR'S BOUNDARY. AND WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING IS TO USE TERS TWO TO AMEND THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. AND ONE OF THE POSSIBLE USES WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN A HIGH-END COMMERCIAL AND WITH A MAJOR, UM, ANCHOR AND IN SOME OF THE PARCELS. SO TO BE ABLE TO USE THE TERMS AS A VEHICLE POTENTIALLY, UM, AMEND THE BOUNDARIES, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH A NEW PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN AND AMEND THE BOUNDARIES IN WHAT WAY? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE PROPERTY SOUTH OF 79 ON THAT MAP, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM HAS APARTMENTS ON IT AND I'M NOT SURE THE OTHER IS VACANT, BUT YOU, WHEN YOU CREATE THE TURDS PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN, YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE VACANT LAND THAT YOU WANT TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT OCCUR ON. UH, AND THE REASON I ASKED I KIND OF THOUGHT IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BECAUSE THE IT'S THE, UH, URBANA IS THE ONE THAT WE'LL BE BUILDING, UM, SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT PROPERTIES THERE. WE HAD SPECIFICALLY ASKED THEM IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN AT HERS. AND THEY SAID, YES. AND IN FACT, I THINK WE DID SOME KIND OF AN OFFICIAL VOTE HERE, OR THEY AMENDED THEIR DA. THEY SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN, AND THEY'RE THE ONES SOUTH OF 79 TO THE EAST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN THAT BACKWARDS, BUT WE'LL UM, IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE CAN LEAVE THEM IN THERE. OKAY. I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I REMEMBER IT. YEAH. SO I'D ALMOST, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I'D ALMOST LIKE TO SEE TWO SEPARATE TOWARDS IS BECAUSE THAT TERS, WE TALKED ABOUT USING IT TO FUND THE BRIDGE, THE OVERPASS, AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOURS WITH THE MEGA SITE AND ALL THAT TO BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING TO HELP WITH WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE MAY WANT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EASIER TO SEPARATE THEM UP AND HAVE TWO OR THREE TOURS AS TO WHERE WE SAY 75% OF TOURS, ONE THAT SAYS BRIDGE OVERPASS IS GOING BACK TO THAT, BUT THEN WE MAY ONLY WENT 25% OF THIS OTHER TOURS COMING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE JUST ONE GIANT TOURS THAT YOU CAN HAVE ALL DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, OR IF IT'S BETTER TO HAVE KIND LIKE AN LGC TO WHERE IF ONE OF THEM HAS A PROBLEM, LISA, AND WE CAN BE INSULATED FROM COMPARTMENTALIZE IT. YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. Y YOU SAID MEGA SITE, BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MEGA SITE? I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY HERE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING, NO, IT'S JUST AS, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH TOURISM, PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE DOING INCLUDES THE NORTH SIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD, WE WERE TALKING ON EDC THAT POTENTIALLY THE NORTH SIDE NEXT TO COVERT THAT TERM FOR THE GROCERY STORE AND CALLED SHOPPING CENTER. AND OTHER THINGS WOULD THEN GO TO HELP FUND INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE, COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THIS OVERPASS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN COMBINE ALL THAT, BUT THEN SEPARATE DIFFERENT RATES THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING AND SPENDING INSIDE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ONES THERE, A THIRD ONE COMING. I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKED THE IDEA OF COMPARTMENTALIZING IT THAT WAY, WHAT THAT TERM COLLECTS CAN GO FOR THE 1 32 BRIDGE OR THE MEGASITE WE NEED MONEY FOR WASTEWATER. AND SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A, AN ISSUE OF, WELL, THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT. WELL, THIS PROJECT KEEPS GETTING PUSHED OFF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I KIND OF LIKE THAT IDEA A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. AND LAKESIDE ESTATES IS BECAUSE EVERY YEAR WE FIND SOME BETTER USE FOR THE MONEY. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU MAKE UP THINGS SPECIFICALLY FOR USE, AT LEAST YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT JUST FROM A, I THINK YOU HEAR US, WE DON'T NEED AN ACTION ON THIS. RIGHT. YOU JUST KIND OF HEAR THAT. SO WE WANTED SOME DIRECTIONS SO THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK, UM, THE AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE SPORTS HEALTH DISTRICT. AND THEN WHAT I'M HEARING COUNSEL SAY TO, UM, BRING BACK, UM, UH, POTENTIAL USE OF TERMS IS IN OTHER AREAS, THAT'S GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY BASED ON THE AREA. IS THAT KIND OF, CAN WE DO THAT LIKE PUTTERS ONE, TWO AND THREE? SO WE DO HAVE THE CO-OP TERS [02:30:01] IS YOUR FIRST ONE. THIS ONE WAS FOR THE SPORTS HEALTH DISTRICT. SO IT'S WHAT STAFF'S LOOKING FOR IS THE GO AHEAD TO START ANALYZING ALL OF THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT AND NOT TO BE FACETIOUS HERE, BUT SINCE TOURS TO EVERYTHING ELSE WE DID IN 2019 AND 2018 WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY. IS IT BETTER TO JUST COMPLETELY DO AWAY WITH TOURISTS TOO, AND JUST REDO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THAT SO THAT WE CAN BE ASSURED THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE CORRECTLY OR HAVE YOU GUYS ALREADY REVIEWED, AND THIS WAS DONE CORRECTLY, RIGHT? YOU'RE THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED CORRECTLY. THE PROJECT PLAN WAS NEVER FINALIZED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO IN ORDER TO AMEND IT AND, UM, PUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT IN THERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR SEVEN DAYS AND A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE PUBLIC. SO IS THERE A RESTRICTION, LIKE IT SOUNDED LIKE WERE YOU SUGGESTING, BREAKING UP TOURS TO, AND THE MULTIPLE TOURS, BUT WOULD WE BE, WOULD WE THEN BE RESTRICTED ON WHERE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE PAID FOR, FROM EACH TERRORS? AND SO COULD THAT KIND OF BOX US IN SOMEWHERE? WE DON'T WANT BE THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WOULD WANT TO ANALYZE. SO IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITHOUT, UM, LOOKING AT ALL THE ANALYSIS AND REMEMBER, UM, TURDS MONEY CAN BE SPENT OUTSIDE THE TERS, AS LONG AS IT BENEFITS THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE TOURIST. SO POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN, WHO'S GOING TO USE THE DIFFERENT TRACKS AND THEN WHAT THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE MIGHT BE FROM THEIR INCREMENT TOWARDS A PROJECT. I ALSO THINK THAT OVERPASSES VERY EXPENSIVE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT CUTTING DOWN THE SIZE AND LIMITING THE PROPERTY THAT WE KIND OF TARGET AT THAT IS GOING TO COVER IT ALL. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CALCULATION. YEAH, NO, I AGREE. YEAH. THE TECH, THE BILL FOR THE WASTEWATER AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS GOING TO BE MAYBE NOT AS MUCH, BUT PRETTY STEEP AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME, WE NEED A MOTION, A MOTION, AND A SECOND AND YOUR DIRECTION. SO WHAT DO YOU WANT A MOTION THAT WE WANT YOU TO GO BRING US BACK. SOME CALCULATIONS, MOVE, MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF, TO AMEND THE TERMS TO PROJECT AND FINANCE IMPLANT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORTON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER. KHULLAR DIRECTING STAFF TO AMEND THE TOURIST TO PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER, I COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK THORTON PUTS HIM GORDON. NOW SOME MEMBERS SAID, I ASKED A MEMBER KINSEY MAYOR SNYDER, LIKE PUSHING PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT, NEXT, [13. EXECUTIVE SESSION] WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL. WE JUST PULL ITEM 13, FIVE AND 13, SIX OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO, WELL, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEYS FIRST AND GET THEIR OPINIONS ON WHAT THESE ARE ABOUT PRIOR TO DISCUSSING ON PUBLIC. RIGHT? I AGREE. SO WE HAVE A, I'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME ROBERT'S RULES INFORMATION HERE. SO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. THAT I'M MAKING. I GUESS I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO PULL THOSE OUT THEN. YEAH. YOU ASKED IF THERE WAS NO OBJECTION AND THERE IS. SO IF YOU WANT US TO CALL THEM OUT, YOU'D NEED TO MOTION BY MAYOR SNYDER TO PULL ITEM 13, FIVE AND 13, SIX OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT IT SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY WE'VE HANDLED SOME OF THESE IN THE PAST. HE HASN'T SAY, I THINK LAST MEETING, WE, WE MOVED EVERYTHING UP, TRIED TO MOVE IT UP TO THE FRONT, TO GET TO IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S A MOTION AND SECONDED TO ITEM 13, FIVE AND 13, SIX OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. I'M SORRY. NAY. TELL SOMEONE MEMBER HOLLAND. I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. WAS A MEMBER OF THORTON. I MAY HAVE A TIM GORDON MAYOR SNYDER COUNCIL MEMBER SAID [02:35:01] NINE. ALSO REMEMBER CLARK MOTION FAILS TWO TO FIVE. SO WE WILL ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:35 PM FOR 13, ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, $1 0 7, 1 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS, ITEM 13 TO RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 8 7 AND FIVE FIVE ONE.ZERO SEVEN TWO REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN AND AROUND THE MEGA SITE AND CONSIDERATION AND CONVEYANCE OF ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENTS, CONVEYING OPTION TO PURCHASE REAL PROPERTY AGREEMENTS TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ITEM 13, THREE, DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, OR DUTIES OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 4 PERSONNEL MATTERS. ITEM 13, FOUR RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN. ONE RELATING TO BROOKLYN'S PARTNERS, LTD VERSUS CITY OF HUDDLE CALLS. NUMBER OF 22 DASH 0 5 0 0 DASH C 4 2 5 PENDING IN THE 425TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS ITEM 13, FIVE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE RELATING TO RELEASING MCGINNIS. LOCKRIDGE MEMORANDUMS REGARDING THE HIRING OF LARRY GONZALES AS A CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY DATED MARCH 4TH, TWO OF THEM, SIX, TWO OF THEM, APRIL 1ST, JULY 30TH, 2019 AND EXECUTED ENGAGEMENT LETTER, MARCH 6TH, 2019, ITEM 13, SIX RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO WAVING THE ATTORNEY, CLIENT ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT PRIVILEGE RELATING TO EMAILS DATED NOVEMBER 9TH AND 17TH, 2021 FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAREAL, SALVO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND FINALLY, ITEM SEVEN, RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE AND DELIBERATE REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 8 7 TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO BUSINESS PROSPECTS, INCLUDING DELIBERATIONS REGARDING THE PURCHASE SALE EXCHANGE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE 50 ONE.ZERO SEVEN TWO. THE TIME IS 9 38, RIGHT? IT'S 1122 OR BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN [14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] ITEM 14, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN, ONE RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, BUT 10 POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS DO WANT LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT DURING THE DISCUSSION, THIS ITEM, I SAID INAPPROPRIATE THING TO COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. I WAS INSINUATING THAT SHE WAS EXCITED AND WHAT OUR SELF LIKE PEANUT PANTS IN TERMS OF, UM, CONDUCT TOWARDS ME AND WHETHER I THINK IT'S TOWARDS ME OR NOT. IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO TALK TO SOMEONE THAT WAY. AND SO I APOLOGIZE BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO APOLOGIZE IN PUBLIC, TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE MAYOR. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL AND NOT SAY THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. WAS THERE ANY ACTION ANYBODY HAD FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE HEARING NONE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RELEASE AN E O C COMPLAINT FILED BY JAMES BRYSON. SECOND BY CHANCE. SECOND, MY REASONING FOR RELEASING THIS IS BASED ON PRECEDENT. WE ALWAYS RELEASE THE STUFF I KNOW IN MY NAME'S ON IT. AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE, MY NAME IS NOT ON IT. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET IT OUT THERE SO THAT THE, UH, RUMOR MILL DOESN'T WORK. THAT IT'S ANOTHER ONE AGAINST ME. NO DISCUSSION ON EMOTION. YOU JUST HAD A CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT ANYWAY. YES. YEAH. IT'S TREAD, IT'S UNDER OUR DISCUSSION. IT WAS A POTENTIAL CLAIM. SO YOU CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT. UM, YOU CAN. OKAY. I THINK IT'S JUST CONSISTENT [02:40:01] WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE TO JUST RELEASE IT. NOT MAKE PEOPLE WAIT TO REQUEST THINGS THAT WE CAN RELEASE. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S WE RELEASE IT SO THAT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S NOT THE MAYOR. WE RELEASE IT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT WHAT AN INQUIRY, IT'S A RIGHT THING TO DO TO RELEASE. JUST RELEASE IT BEFORE IT'S ASKED BY THE PUBLIC. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, IT'S ALREADY A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON EMOTION HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. I ALSO REMEMBER THORTON. TIM GORDON, CHELSEA MEMBER KINSEY MASH SNYDER. REMEMBER CLARK KOHLER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. WE HAVE ITEM 14 TO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 DASH ZERO SEVEN. ONE RELATING TO BROOKLYN'S PARTNERS LIMITED VERSUS THE CITY OF HADOW CAUSE NUMBER 22 DASH 0 5 0 0 DASH PENDING IN THE 425TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. AND DOES MAYOR COUNCIL THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED, BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THE COURT DID ENTER THE ORDER OF NONSUIT WITH PREJUDICE AGAINST THE PLAINTIFF. CAN YOU, UH, PUT THAT LIKE LAYMAN TERMS? SO THE PLAINTIFF SUED THE CITY AND ANY CLAIM THAT HE MADE IN THAT COMPLAINT BECAUSE HE NON-SUITED, WHICH MEANS HE WITHDREW THE SUIT BEFORE HE WANTED TO PROSECUTE IT. UM, THAT, THAT ALL THOSE CLAIMS HAVE BEEN DISMISSED, BUT ALSO IN HIS MOTION FOR NON-SUIT. HE ASKED FOR THE ORDER TO BE WITH PREJUDICE AND WITH PREJUDICE MEANS IT CAN'T BE FILED, FILED IF HE HAD MERELY NON-SUITED IT, THE CLAIMS COULD BE REFILED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS THIS DIATOM 14 THREE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE AND DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO EIGHT SEVEN TO DELIBERATE THE OFFER OF A FINANCIAL OR OTHER INCENTIVE TO BUSINESS PROSPECTS, INCLUDING DELIBERATIONS REGARDING THE PURCHASE SALE EXCHANGE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN TWO. LEAVE THERE'S ANYTHING THERE WAS THERE. NO, NOPE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 14 FOR CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 5 5 1 DASH 0 7 1 RELATING TO RELEASING MCGINNIS. LOCKRIDGE MEMORANDUMS REGARDING THE HIRING OF LARRY GONZALES AS A CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY DATED MARCH 4TH, TWO OF THEM, SIX, TWO OF THEM, APRIL 1ST AND JULY 30TH, 2019 AND EXECUTED ENGAGEMENT LETTER MARCH 6TH, 2019. SO, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S REALLY NO ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE HERE. AND THAT IF A PERSON WERE TO ASK FOR THIS INFORMATION, IT COULD BE, IT WOULD BE RELEASED ANYWAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RELEASE ALL THE DOCUMENTS LISTED IN 14 FOR UNREDACTED TO THE PUBLIC. I'LL SECOND THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT THE ISSUE OR THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THESE MEMORANDUMS ARE ALSO PART OF THE, UH, MALPRACTICE LAWSUIT THAT WE HAVE FILED AGAINST MCGINNIS. AND LOCKRIDGE, I WOULD JUST LIKE IT TO BE KNOWN THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT A CLIENT ATTORNEY WORK PRIVILEGE, BUT, UM, PEOPLE TO BE SENSITIVE BECAUSE IT CAN POTENTIALLY BE FOR US OR AGAINST US, UM, IN THE MALPRACTICE SUIT THAT IS STILL UNDERWAY. UM, AND FOR ME, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT POINTED WHY THIS IS BEING RELEASED. NOW AT THIS POINT, I HONESTLY HAD NOT HEARD OF THIS GUY AND THESE MEMORANDUMS ARE OVER THREE YEARS OLD. SO THIS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A MORE POINTED ATTACK AND DOESN'T REALLY BRING ANY POSITIVES TO HOW TO, BUT COULD POTENTIALLY ACTUALLY HURT US. UM, IF WE PUT THIS OUT BEFORE THE MALPRACTICE SUIT. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S PRIVILEGED TO COUNSEL ONLY. SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO, TO BE OUT THERE, BUT I, AGAIN, I'M, I'M FOR WORKING FOR HADOW AND HOW WE MOVE, HOW TO FORWARD. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA. UM, POINTING [02:45:01] OUT JUST THESE VERY SPECIFIC MEMORANDUMS FROM OVER THREE YEARS AGO WHEN THE SLEW OF MALPRACTICE AND OTHER MEMORANDUMS ARE A PLETHORA. SO JUST THESE, THESE PARTICULAR ONES FROM THIS PARTICULAR, MR. LARRY GONZALEZ, TO ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. UM, SO PUBLIC TAKE THAT A GRAIN OF SALT, WHAT YOU WILL, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE DID THE, UM, THE ITEM I READ FROM A LETTER, ANOTHER MEMORANDUM. UM, SO I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS, I DON'T SEE WHERE SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE, THIS CAN ACTUALLY HURT THE CITY BECAUSE NO ONE TODAY CAN CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO. AND SO IN MY MIND, THE PUBLIC ALWAYS WANTS TO KNOW, WHY DO YOU DO THIS? WHY ARE YOU GUYS GOING OUT TO THIS? WHY ARE YOU SUING THIS ATTORNEY WHERE HERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHEN YOU READ IT? THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST MAKING UP REASONS TO SUE PEOPLE. THERE'S ACTUALLY REASONS BEHIND IT. WELL, AGAIN, IT SEEMS VERY POINTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR PERSON'S MEMORANDUMS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP AND OVER THREE YEARS OLD. UM, SO TO ME, AGAIN, IT SEEMS TO BE A MUCH MORE POINTED PERSONAL ATTACK AND DOESN'T ACTUALLY BRING ANY POSITIVES FOR HEDO AND WHY IT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA. UM, IN MY OPINION IS NOT STREAMLINING OR HELPING. UM, IT'S, IT'S IN NO WAY MOVING FORWARD OR HEALING HOW-TO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM ON THE MOTION? I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD IS, UH, POINTING OUT SOME OF THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST SOMETIMES. AND THIS IS A LOT OF THE THINGS RELATED TO THE MALPRACTICE ARE VERY COMPLICATED, VERY CONVOLUTED, VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT OUT THIS AS ONE PIECE, THAT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL AGREEMENT. IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT THAT, THAT, UH, I BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED THE WAY THAT IT HAPPENED. AND IT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO WAS ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHO THEN TURNED RIGHT AROUND AND MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY RIGHT AFTER LEAVING OFFICE. I THINK IT'S AN ITEM OF PUBLIC INTEREST. UM, FORMER LAWMAKERS LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING WITH THE BODY. THEY JUST LEFT IS A, IS AN ITEM THAT COMES UP AS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN, UH, REPEATEDLY. UM, SO I SEE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S DOCUMENTS THAT ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET. AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE DON'T JUST RELEASE IT. I MEAN, THEY CAN GET IT. UM, AND ONE THING ABOUT HEALING IS AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO STOP LICKING THE WOUND. I WAS GOING TO SAY, PICKING THE SCAB, CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP BLEEDING AND IT JUST DIDN'T, BUT YES, IT'S, IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. THERE'S NO WORK CLIENT, I THINK, LEVERAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, IF IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, DO WE NEED TO VOTE FOR IT? DO YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO GO? WELL, THERE'S A, UH, I GUESS AN INFERENCE THAT, BECAUSE IT RELATED TO YOUR FORMER ATTORNEYS, YOU IN ORDER TO MAKE A CLEAR, JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE BOAT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ALSO REMEMBER SUTTON. I ALSO REMEMBER KOHLER TELL SOME MEMBER KENZIE MAYOR SNYDER WITH THORTON MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ACTUALLY OF ITEM 14, FIVE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION FIVE, FIVE, ONE.ZERO SEVEN ONE RELATING TO WAVING THE ATTORNEY, CLIENT ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT PRIVILEGE RELATING TO EMAILS DATED NOVEMBER 9TH AND 17TH, 2021 FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER OF VILLAREAL SALVO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND AGAIN, SINCE I ASKED FOR THE SIGN AND BE ON THE AGENDA, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO RELEASE THESE EMAILS. UNREDACTED. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION ON EMOTION? YEAH, I'LL START US OFF. SO I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST IN PRINCIPLE RELEASING INFORMATION RELATED TO A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER. SO, UM, VIA RAIL SALVOS, UM, THE WHOLE THING WITH THE QUESTIONING OF WHETHER SHE COULD RECEIVE PAY WHILE SHE WAS ON CITY COUNCIL, WHILE STILL EMPLOYED AT TSTC. UM, I DO HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT RELEASING LIMITED INFORMATION, UH, WHICH COULD, AND PROBABLY WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. WE ALSO HAVE A CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THAT WE ARE WAITING ON, [02:50:01] UM, ON THIS SUBJECT, UH, TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS ABOUT WHETHER COUNCIL PAY CONSTITUTES, UM, YOU KNOW, PAY IN THE QUESTION. SO, UH, FOR ME, I WOULD BE AGAINST RELEASING THIS AT THIS POINT. UM, ONCE WE GET THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION BACK AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, THEN MY, MY MOTION AT THAT TIME WOULD BE TO RELEASE EVERY SINGLE EMAIL THAT'S RELATED TO THIS, NOT JUST THESE TWO, BUT, BUT RELEASE EVERYTHING, BUT THEN ALSO TO WAIT UNTIL THE AG OPINION COMES BACK. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THIS ONE. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WAITING FOR THE AG OPINION, UM, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF COUNCIL TIME ON THIS AGENDA ITEMS, MONTHS AND MONTHS, WE SENT IT TO THE AG FOR AN OPINION, RELEASE EVERYTHING THAT TRANSPIRED BETWEEN, UM, FORMER COUNSEL AND MEMORABILIA AL SALVO, AND THE ATTORNEYS JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING THE FULL PICTURE BECAUSE THE FULL PICTURE IS ACTUALLY FULL TRANSPARENCY. YOU CAN'T RELEASE TWO EMAILS AND COLLEGE TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S NOT THE FULL PICTURE. THAT IS A SMALL SNIPPET. THEY LONG MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, UM, IN MULTIPLE MEMOS FROM OUR ATTORNEYS ON THIS EXACT SUBJECT. UM, SO IT WOULD, IN MY OPINION, DEFINITELY BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. SO POINT OF INFORMATION, UM, YOU TWO SEEM TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF EMAILS THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. SO WHAT IS THE FULL CONTEXT? WHAT IS THIS OTHER INFORMATION? I ONLY KNOW ABOUT THESE TWO EMAILS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OTHER EMAILS ON THIS TOPIC. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE REFERRING TO A WHOLE SLEW OF EMAILS AND MEMOS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN. THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO EMAILS BECAUSE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT CAME IN AND THESE WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT PERTAIN TO THAT TOPIC. THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I ASKED THIS TO BE ON HERE BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER. I'M SURE THAT CHRISTIAN ANSWERED THOSE AS WELL. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THAT MAYOR PRO TEMPS POINT WAS A POINT OF, WAS IT A CLARIFICATION? SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS DIRECTED AT EITHER MYSELF OR MY, UM, MERE PRO TEAMS, UH, GORDON, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO DISCUSS RESPECTFULLY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM, WE ALL ARE AWARE, MANDY HAS SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THERE HAS BEEN LONG-GOING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN HER AND THE ATTORNEYS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO SAY, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS SAID ON A RECORDING AND EXECUTIVE WHEN SHE WAS STILL A COUNCIL MEMBER. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO SAY SINCE IT WAS BACK IN EXECUTIVE, BUT WE ALL ARE AWARE THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE EMAILS. WE ALL GOT MULTIPLE MEMOS ABOUT THIS. UM, AND WE ONLY SEE MANDY'S RESPONSES. WE NEVER SEE CHRISTIAN'S RESPONSES. LIKE IN WHAT THESE TWO PARTICULAR THINGS ARE SAYING. IT'S ONLY HER SIDE OF YOU. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. CHRISTIAN USUALLY JUST IGNORES EMAILS FROM US. THERE'S ALWAYS A RESPONSE AND THOSE ARE NOT, HIS RESPONSES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT EMAIL. SO I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A RESPONSE FROM CHRISTIAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS RESPONSE WAS, BUT I KNOW THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE JUST IGNORED TWO EMAILS FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOT HAD A RESPONSE. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND SNIPPETS. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH AMENDING THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE FULL EMAIL THREADS FOR BOTH OF THOSE TWO EMAILS? I WOULD. THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. THAT IS EXACTLY I WANT, OH, I WROTE IT DOWN, RELEASE EVERYTHING FROM COUNSEL, NEVER VILLAREAL SALVO, AND OUR ATTORNEYS DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE THAT GOT PUT TO THE AG OPINION. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FULL PICTURE AND FULL TRANSPARENCY IS OUT THERE. NOT A VERY SMALL SNIPPET. THAT IS ALMOST WORD FOR WORD WHAT I SAID. SO I'M 100% AMENABLE TO THAT AT THE CORRECT TIME AND PLACE AND THE MEMOS TO THAT WE RECEIVED. I, AND I THINK WE'VE RELEASED THOSE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD AS A REFRESHER. I THINK WE RELEASED ALL THE MEMOS, I BELIEVE. AND THE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RESPONSE FROM CHRISTIAN TO A COUNCIL MEMBER SALVO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE EMAIL CHAIN THAT WAS REDACTED. SO NEVER RESPONDED. HE RESPONDED WITH THE MEMOS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, WELL, I, I HAVE A QUESTION JUST, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW STUFF YOU TOLD US THIS MORNING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALSO CALL YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BUT IF SHE WROTE AN EMAIL AND THEN CALLED LIKE, WOULD WE EVEN HAVE A RECORD OF THAT? AND NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE AGS OPINION AND THEN RELEASE EVERYTHING. AND THEN ALSO WHAT THE AG OPINION IS THIS COUNCIL MAY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION BASED ON WHAT THAT FINDING IS. AND WE WOULD RELEASE THAT AS WELL. AND WE RELEASE IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME WHERE EVERYONE WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID OR DID NOT TAKE ACTION AND WHAT THAT ACTION WAS AND WHY. AND YOU RELEASE IT ALL AT ONE POINT. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THAT. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S NOT GIVING A FULL PICTURE. AND I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE FULL PICTURE. I JUST GOT UP HERE TODAY, BUT JUST, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME STANDARD [02:55:01] WE'VE APPLIED ON ANY OTHER, REALLY SOME INFORMATION WE'VE RELEASED ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AT A GIVEN POINT IN TIME. AND WE HAVEN'T WAITED. WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR ALL OF OUR LAWSUITS TO BE DONE BEFORE WE RELEASE INFORMATION. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE WE ARE RELEASING INFORMATION AND THERE ARE STILL THINGS ONGOING. WE CAN JUST RELEASE AN EOC COMPLAINT THAT HASN'T BEEN HANDLED YET. WE RELEASED A DEMAND LETTER THAT HASN'T BEEN HANDLED YET AT THE LAST MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE STANDARD IS DIFFERENT HERE. I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE ONE IS SOMEONE FILED A PUBLIC, UH, FILED A LAWSUIT AND DID A FILING. AND WE'RE JUST RELEASING THAT, THAT LAWSUIT THAT WE GOT, ANYBODY COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME THING. UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH WAITING FOR THE AG OPINION. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE PUSH TO SENT IT TO THE AIG WAS BECAUSE SOME INDIVIDUALS DID NOT AGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION, OUR ATTORNEY'S OPINION OF THE SITUATION WITH A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, VILLAREAL SALVO. SO I'M NOT SURE THE MOTIVATION OF THIS, TO BE HONEST, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE LAST ITEM. UM, THE TIMING OF IT, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT HAS TO COME OUT. UM, UM, BUT I I'M JUST, I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT WHY DON'T WE WAIT TILL WE HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE BECAUSE THIS, THESE TWO EMAILS DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAD PHONE CALLS. WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE PICTURE. IF THE AG SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK, THEY HAVE AN OPINION. WE HAVE TO RULE THAT YES, THIS MONEY IS OWED TO US. THEN WE DEAL WITH IT. THEN THESE TWO EMAILS HONESTLY, ARE GUARANTEED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AND PART OF CHARACTER ACCESS A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION IN MY OPINION. OKAY. SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY, THAT WE NEED TO FULL PICTURE. THE PROBLEM IS EVERY EMAIL AS PART OF THIS HAS BEEN RELEASED EXCEPT FOR THESE TWO. SO THE ARGUMENT IN MY MIND THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE PICTURE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MISSING. THERE'S TWO PIECES OF THE PUZZLE LEFT. WE'VE RELEASED. WE HAD A VOTE, WE RELEASED ALL THE LEGAL MEMORANDUMS. WE'VE RELEASED ALL THE EMAILS EXCEPT FOR TWO. AND I THINK THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF A, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING. THE REASON WE WENT TO THE AIG WAS BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID MONEY IS OWED THAT WASN'T, THAT IS A FALSE, DID YOU SAY THAT MONEY WAS OUT CITY ATTORNEY LEGAL MEMORANDUMS THAT I REMEMBER IT WAS T N O NO, NO. I THINK THE MEMORANDUM SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I THINK BASED ON PRIOR, UH, TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS THAT, UM, THE MONEY TO THAT YOU CANNOT PAY A COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN THEY HAVE ARE PAYING WITH STATE FUNDS AND THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DID NOT MEET THOSE EXCEPTIONS. SO WITH THAT, I THINK THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHO DISAGREED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. IT WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER, A PLACE THREE DISAGREED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND SO WE GOT A LEGAL OPINION, HIS SALARY AND COMPENSATION, THE RIGHT THING. AND THE MEANTIME THE PERSON GOES OUT, I'M A LIAR. OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIARS BECAUSE MONEY IS NOT OWED WHEN WE WERE TOLD MONEY WAS OWED. AND SO THE EMAILS, IT'S FUNNY THAT THERE'S A CHAIN OF EMAILS THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. WE NEED TO RELEASE THE WHOLE PICTURE. EVERYTHING'S BEEN RELEASED TWO. AND SO IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE CHAIN THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO, SORRY, POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE. AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED ALL THE INFORMATION EXCEPT FOR TWO, THERE'S BEEN A PUBLIC REQUEST. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS COMPLETELY REDACTED BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES WERE NOT DONE. AND SO IN MY MIND, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IF MY NAME'S ON SOMETHING, THE FIRST THING WE DO IS RUN OUT HERE AS FAST AS WE CAN AND TRY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE'S A GROUP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T WANT TO RELEASE IT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RELEASE IT, I SAY, VOTE, JUST VOTE. NO. AND THEN THE PUBLIC CAN SEE FOR, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY IN SOME INSTANCES, AND THEN WE THROW THAT AROUND. AND THEN AS SOON AS PEOPLE WANT INFORMATION, WE START VOTING NOT TO RELEASE IT. SO IN MY MIND, IT'S EASY. YOU GET A VOTE. YES OR NO. AND WE MOVE ON. IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE AIG. I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS ALREADY PUTTING MONEY TO THE SIDE [03:00:01] OF NOT TAKING A SALARY BECAUSE THERE'S THIS PENDING THING. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING NEW, IT'S NOT A POLITICAL THING. IT IS MORE OF A PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION AND THEY'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THESE TWO. AND SO, SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO MISSING, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CHAINS AND APPARENTLY HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE'S ONLY TWO AND THAT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN RELEASED ON YOUR SAME THOUGHT TRAIN. YOU'RE KIND OF CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO I WASN'T THE ONE THAT SAID THAT THAT WAS COUNCILMEMBER THORTON SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER EMAILS. SO YOU'D HAVE TO DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO HIM. ME, I KNOW 100%, ALL THE EMAILS THAT WERE SENT. I KNOW IN THE BACK, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, I KNOW THE FIGHT THAT HAPPENED. WHY FOR SOME REASON, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. UM, SO I, YEAH, I KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO, BUT I, YEAH, I'M JUST CONCERNED YOU, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE ATTORNEYS HAD, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT LOOK, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TALKING ABOUT RELEASING THESE TWO EMAILS, JUST SUCH A DEEPER ISSUE. BUT LET ME JUST SAY THAT IF THERE WAS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN CHRISTIAN AND MANDY, THAT'S A VERBAL CONVERSATION. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU RELEASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE, WELL, I HEARD THIS AND CHRISTIAN SAID, WELL, I SAID THAT, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO RELEASE THERE. SO CONFINE YOUR COMMENT TO, IS THERE OTHER EMAILS BESIDE THESE TWO, IF YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK WE'LL RESEARCH AND PUT ALL THE EMAILS IN A PACKET TOGETHER. SO YOU CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED IN THE FORM OF EMAILS, BECAUSE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NEW AND THEN ARE THESE THE ONLY TWO LEFT, WHICH IS REALLY THE ISSUE HERE. HAVE WE RELEASED EVERYTHING? AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM IS MIGHT IT'S BEEN MY ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE, THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN JUST TWO EMAILS ON THIS SUBJECT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT IF I'M WRONG, THEN, THEN I WANT THAT. I WANT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I JUST HEARD FROM THE MAYOR WHO HE SAID THAT THERE ARE OTHER EMAILS ON IT AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN RELEASED. I DON'T REMEMBER RELEASING ANY OTHER EMAILS ON THIS SUBJECT, BUT THE MAYOR JUST SAID THEY WERE RELEASED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FALL WITHIN THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE. YEAH. SEE, I DON'T ANYWAY. AND I'LL BE LOOKING FOR, OF COUNSEL. I, BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRIOR MEMORANDUMS THAT HAVE BEEN BEEN RELEASED. I W I DO NOT FEEL CONFIDENT IN MAKING A DECISION, UM, ON THIS MATTER. SO I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A PACKAGE OF WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED AND HOW THE, THESE TWO EMAILS FIT INTO THE PUZZLE, OR, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WORKS IN WITH EVERYTHING. UM, JUST FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW UP HERE AND ALSO THE PUBLIC. SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I SEE. I, I'M CURIOUS, AND I, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AND I ARE BOTH CONFUSED BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHERE THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO QUESTION THAT SHE DIDN'T OWE THE MONEY BECAUSE THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION OVERRIDES THE CHARTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARGUED IN OUR BRIEF TO THE AIG. WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN WHAT THOSE PRIOR AIG OPINIONS HAD SAID. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THOSE RECORDINGS? BECAUSE I, I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKEAWAY FROM THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WALKED OUT. SHE DOESN'T OWE IT, THAT THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS. SHE GOT A LETTER FROM TSTC. SHE GOT CLEARANCE FROM YOU GUYS BEFORE SHE TOOK THE, THAT, THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE A CONFLICT. AND IF THAT'S NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION, THEN WE ALL NEED TO KNOW THAT, THAT IT WASN'T ACCURATE INFORMATION. YOU CAN, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE TAPES, EVEN THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THOSE TAPES, YOU CAN, THOSE ARE YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION TAPES. YOU'D SIMPLY CALL ANGELA AND ARRANGE A TIME TO GO LISTEN TO WHATEVER TAPES YOU WANT TO RIGHT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT AS WELL. THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE WALKED AWAY WITH. THAT WAS THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT. AND THEN MY QUESTION TO YOU, DOTTY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU OR WITH CHRISTIAN. DID SHE COME TO YOU WITH THE QUESTION? IS THERE GOING TO BE A CONFLICT IF I TAKE THIS JOB AND WHAT WAS THE ADVICE GIVEN TO HER? UH, I BELIEVE SHE ASKED CHRISTIAN ON THE WAY TO THE BATHROOM, DURING A COUNCIL MEETING AND HE RES AND IT WAS THAT EXACT THING. IS THERE A CONFLICT? AND OF COURSE THERE'S NO CONFLICT BECAUSE REMEMBER YOU HAD YOUR CHAPTER 1 71 TRAINING. THERE'S NO CONFLICT THAT [03:05:01] THE QUESTION WAS NEVER ASKED AND CHRISTIAN DID NOT RESEARCH FURTHER. WELL, WHAT ABOUT IF SHE GETS PAID? SHOULD SHE ACCEPT THE PAY OR NOT? THAT WAS NEVER ASKED, IS THAT YOUR JOB AS THE ATTORNEY TO CATCH THAT, IF SHE BRINGS IT UP AND BRINGS UP THE CONSTITUTION AND SAYS, HEY, IS THIS AN ISSUE? AND THEN NO, NO, YOU'RE NOT. IT WAS LATER ON. IT WAS LATER ON. SO THERE THERE'S A TIMELINE, THE ISSUE WHO ACTUALLY CAUGHT THE PROBLEM, WAS IT THE COUNCIL MEMBER OR WAS IT OUR LEGAL? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. YES. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. IT WASN'T SO ANONYMOUS. YEAH, IT WAS, THIS HAS BEEN A SUBJECT FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. IT'S BEEN MONTHS ON MONTHS ON MONTHS OF, SHE WAS COMPLETELY TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT, COMPLETELY TRYING TO GO TO OUR ATTORNEYS, ASK FOR IT ONCE AGAIN, YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO RELEASE THIS WILL BRING THEM BACK. WHATEVER HER MOTIVES WERE, YOU KNOW, THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. IF YOU WANT ALL THAT, WE CAN PUT THAT DOWN AND BRING THAT BACK. AND YOU CAN BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHEN AND WHAT SHE SAID WHEN THE ATTORNEYS COMMUNICATED WITH HER. AND WHEN, UM, THE WHOLE EVERYTHING IN A PACKET. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, HONESTLY, WE'VE WASTED SO MUCH COUNCIL TIME ON THIS ONE, ITEM THAT EVEN IF IT COMES BACK, THE AG OPINION THAT SHE DOES, OH, IT IS $2,500. I'M SURE YOU AS ATTORNEYS, US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVERYTHING ELSE, I SPENT WAY MORE THAN $2,500 AND JUST OUR TIME AND EFFORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE VOTED ON THIS THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO GO TO THE AIG, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING WAS WORDED CORRECTLY. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PLEASE LET THAT BE THE END, ALL BE ALL. LET'S JUST GET THE AG OPINION AND THIS CAN STOP BEING ON THE AGENDA UNTIL WE GET THAT. SO THE EMOTIONAL A TABLE CUSTOMER AUTHORITY IS TO RELEASE THESE TWO, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WANTED ALL THE ITEMS. ARE YOU OKAY WITH AN AMENDMENT TO JUST ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS TO HAVE IT RELEASED NOW I'M OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY. BUT WHAT HER AMENDMENT WAS AT THE TIME IN PLACE THAT IT MAKES SENSE, WHICH HOLD ON. IT WAS EMOTIONAL OF MINE. SECOND BY CUSTOMER THORTON. I'VE ASKED IF HE'S OKAY WITH A CHANGE OF THAT. AND SO NOW THAT HE IS, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS. WE CAN OPEN UP TO A VOTE. SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO AMEND THAT, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOUR, YOUR AMENDMENT IS TO RELEASE IT TONIGHT. IT'S A RELEASE EVERYTHING. YEAH. EVERYTHING. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE PICTURE. SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT IN IT, WE'RE NOT PICKING CERTAIN THINGS. MINE WAS AFTER THE G OPINION AS WELL. THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY POINT. IS HER AMENDMENT G OPINION. SO WHEN HE SAID YES, I WAS JUST SAYING IT WASN'T RELEASED TONIGHT. IT WAS TO WAIT FOR THE AG OPINION. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU THAT'S. YEAH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST ON MY EMOTION. NOW. WE CAN, NOW WE CAN ADD AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION. WE CAN VOTE ON THE MOTION. YOU HAVE A CALLED THE VOTE, VOTE CALLED A VOTE. PLEASE. COULD WE WAIT, PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE. THE MOTION IS TO RELEASE ALL EMAILS, MEMORANDUMS, WHATEVER, RELATING TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. AND I JUST REMEMBER ALL COME OUT AT THE SAME TIME. NOT THAT THESE TWO COME OUT TONIGHT. SURE. THEY COME OUT AT THE SAME TIME. MEANING TONIGHT, CORRECT? NO, LISTEN, THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE OF THESE VOTES, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT POSTED A DEMAND LETTER AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. OKAY. THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION, SIR. WE'RE ASKING YOU WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. UM, WHENEVER, WHENEVER THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER GETS THEM ALL COMPILED AND RELEASES THEM, I, I GUESS THAT'S. WHEN CAN YOU GUYS, CAN YOU HAVE IT DONE BY TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, OR IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY WANT A TIME. I THINK YOU'RE BEING A LITTLE FACETIOUS AT THIS POINT. I'M ASKING, ARE YOU WANTING IT TO BE RELEASED AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET IT TOGETHER? OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR IT TO BE RELEASED WHEN THE, WE GATHER EVERYTHING, PUT IT IN A PACKET. CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER'S REQUESTS. I WANT TO LOOK AT IT ALL BEFORE. I KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING ON. SO, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR. WE JUST COMPILE IT ALL, BRING IT BACK AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SEQUENCE OF WHO SAID WHAT AND WHEN. OKAY. SO IF WE TABLED IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW WE DON'T WANT IT JUST TO KEEP COMING UP. IF WE TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING, JUNE 7TH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TABLE IT. I THINK WE SAY WE'LL PUT THE PACKET TOGETHER AND THE AG OPINION AS PART OF THAT PACKET. SO WHEN YOU GET THE AG OPINION PART, WE, WE VOTE TONIGHT. THEY WILL RELEASE EVERYTHING WITH THE AG OPINION AS PART OF THAT PACKET. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT EVERYONE'S UP HERE HAS SAID I'M NOT INTO WIND FOR THE AG OPINION, BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO PENDING OPINIONS, THEY ARE WORKING ON SOME FROM AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. AND SO SOME OF THEM THEY'RE WORKING OUT FROM 2019. I MEAN, WE HAVE NO POWER. AND SO AGAIN, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT? [03:10:01] HOW TO IT IS A MATTER OF $2,500. WE HAVE SPENT HOURS ON HOURS ON HOURS, OVER MONTHS AND STAFF TIME AND ATTORNEY TIME. SO CAN WE PLEASE WAIT FOR THE AG OPINION AND LET THAT BE ITS FINAL RESTING PLACE CALLED A VOTE? WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO NOT DO THAT SO WE CAN VOTE ON HIS AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO A NEW ONE, THEN YOU CAN, SO PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. PLEASE RESTATE THE MOTION BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR ON THIS. YES. OKAY. THE EMOTIONS ARE RELEASED. EVERYTHING CAN EVER BE ATTORNEYS WHENEVER THE ATTORNEYS. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. WHENEVER THE ATTORNEYS HAVE A COMPILED. SO YOUR MOTION IS TO ASK THE ATTORNEYS TO COMPILE THE INFORMATION ONCE IT'S COMPILED RELEASE, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ACTION FROM US ALL AT ONCE. ALL AT ONCE AWAY, NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION. OKAY. ONCE IT'S ALL ONE BIG PACKET, NOT GIBBLE AND DRIVABLE OUT, BUT OKAY. IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT YOUR, THE MOTION YOU'RE MAKING IS WE RELEASE EVERYTHING THAT'S COMPILED TOGETHER WITHOUT THE AG OPINION IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. COUNCIL MEMBER, SUTTON, NY ALSO MEMBER CLARK. WELL, SOMEONE RICOLA NELSON WITH ORDINARY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON COUNCIL MEMBER, KENZIE MAYOR SNYDER. I OCEAN FAILS TWO TO FIVE. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO MAKE THE MOTION TO DIRECT THE ATTORNEYS, TO COMPILE ALL THE INFORMATION REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR TARGET COUNCIL MEMBER, BILLER RAIL, SALVOS, THAT ISSUE WITH THIS EMPLOYMENT, ALONG WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION AND THAT WHOLE PACKET IS RELEASED TOGETHER SO THAT ALL THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. WE HAVE IT ALL DONE. PERIOD. DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? YES. SECOND, BUT WE'LL DO A SEARCH. WE'LL GET ALL THE INFORMATION. WE'LL COMPILE IT. AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE AG OPINION, WE'LL RELEASE IT WITH THAT. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MOTION? OKAY. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. HI THERE. SNYDER COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE. I HAVE SOME MEMBER SETTING. I HAVE SOME MEMBER KOHLER. I TELL SOMEONE WITH JORDAN MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, AYE, MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE BRINGING UP? UM, I WOULD LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE A BRIEF SUMMARY OF ALL THE LAWSUITS THAT THE CITY OF HOW-TO IS IN. UM, AND THE COST OF THOSE ASSOCIATED THAT THE CITY OF HETERO TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR TO AGENDA ITEM A BRIEF ON THE LAWSUITS THAT HUDDLE IS INVOLVED IN. AND WHAT NOW, AND OF THOSE, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING MOST ASSOCIATED WITH TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING. DO YOU WANT LIKE AN ACTION ITEM ON THAT TO WHERE NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ACTION ITEM JUST TO A BRIEFER, AN UPDATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK HAVING THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE ONES THAT THE HADOW TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR IS IMPORTANT. OKAY. RELATED TO THAT SIMILAR, I WAS GOING TO EMAIL TO SEE IF WE CAN'T ADD, UM, KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE THE FINANCIALS, MAYBE A QUARTERLY, UH, ATTORNEY FEE UPDATE FROM THE ATTORNEYS PRESENTING WHAT WE'RE IN, HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S AN ONGOING THING. SO WE DON'T LOOK AT A BIG PILE AND SAY, AH, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW? SO THAT KIND OF, WELL, YOUR SUMMARY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I'LL SEND AN EMAIL WITH THAT, WANTING TO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITIZENS WHEN WE'RE IN THESE LEGAL SITUATIONS, WHERE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? CAUSE I THINK AS A CITY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH AND WHERE IT'S GOING. OKAY. I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT IF YOU WANT AN ITEM, [03:15:01] I'LL WRITE IT DOWN. I'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS ON THERE A SECOND EVERYBODY'S ITEMS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS WHY WE WANT THE ITEM THAT'LL BE FOR WHEN THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. I ALSO WANT TO GET AN ITEM OUT, UM, TO FIND OUT FROM CITY STAFF, UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO SOMEHOW, UH, USE IN THE UDC, EITHER UTILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT TO INCLUDE FIBER AS A REQUIREMENT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING FORWARD. SO EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE IT TODAY, THEY ALREADY GOT THE LINES IN. THEN WE'RE FUTURE-PROOFED. THAT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME LIKE IN JULY. NO, NO RUSH. THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH TIME. RIGHT? ISAAC, LET'S SEE CITY STAFF, UDC, UTILITY REQUIREMENTS REQUIRING CYBER IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. MAYOR FOR THE AGENDA ITEM THAT I REQUESTED. UM, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GET IT THAT QUICKLY, BUT I WOULD PREFER FOR IT NOT TO BE THE JUNE 2ND MEETING SINCE I WILL NOT BE PRESENT FOR THAT MEETING. AND IT'S AGENDA ITEM THAT I ASKED FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'D BE 17, 6, 18 AT THE EARLIEST, BUT YES, SOMEWHAT SOON. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? RIGHT. HEARING NONE. WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 1201. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.