Jul 21, 2022 City Council

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

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>> IT IS 7:00 PM. I CALL THE CITY COUNCILMAN FOR THURSDAY, JULY 21, 2022, TO ORDER.

WE WILL START WITH ROLL CALL.

INVOCATION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, PLEASE RISE.

>> OUR BELOVED FATHER IN HEAVEN WE ARE GRATEFUL TO BE GATHERED HERE THIS EVENING AND THIS BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AND DEDICATED TO THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY WHICH WE HAVE TOGETHER HERE TOGETHER, TO CARRY OUT THE WORK OF THE GOVERNMENT WITHIN THE CITY. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THIS WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO LEAD OURSELVES AND BE ABLE TO HAVE A FREE GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT THAT IS OPEN TO EVERYONE, A GOVERNMENT THAT IS MINDFUL OF EVERY PERSON WITHIN THE CITY.

WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS US, THAT WE HAVE A SPIRIT TO ATTEND AND GUIDE US IN OUR DECISIONS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO BE WISE AND CONSIDERATE AND DELIBERATIONS AND THE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE, WE ARE MINDFUL OF THE DROUGHT THAT IS HAPPENING, NOT ONLY THIS AREA BUT MANY AREAS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

WE ASK YOU TO BLESS US WITH RAIN AND MOISTURE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND OUR CITIZENS AND TO BE ABLE TO GROW CROPS AND THINGS THAT WE NEED.

WE ASK YOU TO ALSO BLESS THOSE THAT ARE IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS WHEREVER THEY MAY BE THROUGHOUT OUR GOVERNMENT, OVER THE NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL. WE ASK YOU TO TEMPER FEELINGS, THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO BE PATIENT WITH EACH OTHER AND UNDERSTANDING, SEEK TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE WONDERFUL NATION WE HAVE, THAT ENABLES US TO DO THAT. WE ASK FOR ALL OF THESE BLESSINGS IN THE NAME OFOUR SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN . >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG; I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE,TEXAS, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE .

[5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]

>> NEXT BRINGS US TO CITY MANAGER COMMENTS.

CITY MANAGER TURNER. >> THANK YOU.

MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL IN PUBLIC.

THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN ADHERING TO THE WATER RESTRICTIONS. HE CERTAINLY HAS TAKEN THE EDGE OFF OF SOME OF THE WATER USES. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED DURING THIS TIME. ALSO, A NUMBER OF YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE BY NOW THAT THE RIVER AUTHORITY IN EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAS HAD A LEAK AT THEIR PLANT.

AND ASKING SOME SEVERE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE CITY OF TAYLOR, WE GET SOME WATER FROM TAYLOR, SO WE IN HUTTO ARE REMODELING OUR CITIZENS ABOUT OUR EXISTING RESTRICTIONS AND ASKING FOR ADHERENCE SO WE COULDN'T HELP OUR NEIGHBORS OUT DURING THIS TIME. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A EXCITING EVENT COMING UP THIS WEEKEND, THE COKE FEST COUNTRY MUSIC FESTIVAL AT THE PARK.

IT WILL BE THE FIFTH AND SIXTH. GATES OPEN AT 4 O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY THE FIFTH. AND AT 3 O'CLOCK SATURDAY THE SIXTH. YOU ALL KNOW EVEN BETTER THAN I DO THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE SO, WE ASK THAT YOU COME OUT AND BE PREPARED TO ENJOY IT AND HAVE A

[6. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS. GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT. HEARING ON, GO ON TO ITEM 6.2.

CITY COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. >> MAYOR, HAVE ONE.

I MET WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION THIS PAST WEEK. WE MET AT THE WILLIAMSON MUSEUM IN GEORGETOWN, THEY HAVE A PROJECT GOING ON RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO WRITE A NEW HISTORY OF HUTTO ACCUMBENS OF HISTORY. WE MET THERE TO GET SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN COMPILE INFORMATION, DO SOME RESEARCH, I MENTIONED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOME GRANTS AND GETTING SOME ASSISTANCE WITH GRANT WRITING.

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I HAVE SOME THINGS AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE PROGRESS.> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS?

>> YES I HAVE ONE FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, YESTERDAY THEY REELECTED THE CHAIR FOR THE ADVISORY BOARD AND KATIE WEISS, WAS REELECTED TO VICE CHAIR.HEY DISCUSSED SOME PARKS BOND THAT WAS APPROVED FROM PID THEY ASKED THE CFO, ANGIE, SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MONEY.

ALSO JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD STILL. IF YOU LIKE TO APPLY TO THAT, PLEASE DO SO. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT UPDATING THE FEE SCHEDULE AT ADAM OR DANE PARK PARTICULARLY, THE DEPOSIT PORTION OF IT. THAT IS THE UPDATE FROM PARKS

ADVISORY. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? >> THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MET LAST WEEK. THEY COVERED SEVERAL ITEMS. ONE ITEM THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH, WAS HANDICAPPED PARKING.

THERE IS HANDICAP PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF CITY HALL.

ESPECIALLY LIKE ON A WEEKEND, ON A SATURDAY, THAT'S QUITE A DISTANCE FOR SOMEONE TO HAVE TO PARK AND MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE DOORS. THEY WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT AND I SAID IS SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO ASK THE ADA TASK FORCE TO PUT ON THEIR PLATES. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO PURSUE I JUST DISCUSSED THIS WITH CITY MANAGER TURNER YESTERDAY.

JUST SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK INTO AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP IS, NUMEROUS PEOPLE I GUESS, THEY SEE CITY HALL AND ARE LOOKING FOR A LIBRARY THEY DON'T SEE THE SIGN THAT SAYS THERE IS A LIBRARY HERE AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BETTER SIGNAGE.

THEY LOOKED INTO MOVING THE OLD LIBRARY SIGN FROM THE OLD LIBRARY SITE AND THAT'S NOT REALLY FEASIBLE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS. IT'S NOT AS CHEAP AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AND IT DOESN'T FIT THE SIGN LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CAR VERY WELL AND SO THEY'RE ASKING WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT A SIGN OF THE BUILDING INDICATE WHERE THE LIBRARY IS. AND SO, ANOTHER THING THEY LIKE THE CITY TO LOOK INTO. AND ALSO, THERE IS A SIGN ON 79TH TO GO TO THE LIBRARY, THAT SIGN SHOULD BE MOVED.

THAT IS ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT.

AND THEN, THEY LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET AND WAS GOING FORWARD TO COUNSEL, A DIFFERENCE OF LEAVE OF $47,000.

THAT MONEY WAS FOR CHANGE OF POSITION FROM LIBRARY ASSISTANT TO FULL LIBRARIAN AND WAS RAISES FOR STAFF.

THE BOARD WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GIVING THE LIBRARY AND I WANTED TO PASS ON TO COUNSEL. I TOLD HIM I WOULD PASS ON.

DISCUSS WITH CITY MANAGER TURNER OBVIOUSLY, WE DISCUSSED HAVING A CONVERSATION AND BENEFIT STUDY.

THINGS LIKE RAISES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GO INTO THAT.

AND CHANGING POSITIONS I BELIEVE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER THE INPUT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REASON THEY HAD GETTING INTO ALL OF IT WHEN WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT COVERS.

I THINK THAT IS ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER LIAISON REPORTS? A QUICK ONE FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE. THEY WANTED TO INVITE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO AUGUST 2, FOR A DEMONSTRATION OF THE CLUSTER DUCT SYSTEM. THEY'RE HAVING SOMEONE COME IN FROM NEW YORK. THE KIND OF SHOW REAL WORLD, HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS SO THAT IF IT WORKS AS WELL AS THAT BIG IT WILL BE, THEY WANT TO PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL FORMALLY.

IF YOU WANT, IF THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE, WE CAN PUT OUT A

POSSIBLE NOTICE. >> AND A TIME.

>> 6 PM. >> AND THAT IS TUESDAY?

>> YES, SIR. >> I WOULD SAY PUT OUT A

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[7. PUBLIC COMMENT]

>> ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THAT? ALL RIGHT, GOING TO PUBLIC

[8. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6 AND 8.7. ANY DISCUSSION OR ACTION ON ANY

OF THESE ITEMS? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT MORE OR LESS, I DON'T NEED TO PULL IT I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON 8.2. THE TSTC -- WE WORKED ON THAT, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS ON HERE.

IT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN A PROCESS OF THE MAKING AND I'M REALLYEXCITED , I THINK YOU WILL ACT AS A GREAT SPRINGBOARD TO REALLY GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE ISD, SET THE STAGE FOR OTHER ENTITIES TO JOIN US IN THAT.

AND WORKING TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY, WE WILL SEE SOME JOINT MEETINGS COME OUT OF THIS WITH BOTH TSTC AND ISD.

I'M EXCITED TO GET THIS TIED UP.

>> WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE SEVEN CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

AND A SECOND. >> SECOND IF I CAN MAKE TWO MINOR AMENDMENTS. CORRECTIONS TO TWO OF THE MEETING MINUTES. ON APRIL 7 MEETING, ITEM 10.6, AND OTHER JUNE 16 MEETING, ITEM 10.3.

BOTH OF THOSE WERE NOT UNANIMOUS VOTES, BUT THERE WAS NO RECORDING OF TYPICALLY, WE RECORD WHO YOU KNOW, WHO THE VOTERS WERE IF IT IS NOT UNANIMOUS.

THOSE WERE NOT RECORDED IN THE MINUTES.

THESE TWO.ND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY BE RECORDED. I WATCHED THE VIDEO AND BOTH HAPPEN TO BE MAYOR SNYDER. IF WE CAN MAKE THE UPDATE I

WOULD LIKE TO SECOND. >> BOTH 6-1 VOTES?

>> SAID FIVE ÃONE BUT DIDN'T SAY WHO THE ONE WAS AND THE OTHER ONE SAID SIX ÃONE. AND AGAIN, DID NOT SAY WHO.

>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE FROM THE AMENDMENT?

>> I AM. >> WE HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.

WITH UPDATE ON REVISION ON APRIL 7 FOR THE MINUTES ITEM 10.6 TO BE UPDATED TO 6-1 BUT WITH MAYOR SNYDER DISSENTING, AND JUNE 16 MINUTES ITEM 10.3, UPDATED TO BE 5-1 VOTE WITH THE MAYOR DISSENTING. ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ITEMS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[9.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.]

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. NEXT ITEM 9.1.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, RE-APPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS, AND AREA

GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.>> MAYOR, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE INTERVIEWED ALEX RAMIREZ. TO SERVE ON THE PARKS BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO AS A NOMINATING COMMITTEE, INCLUDING THE CHAIR, UNANIMOUSLY PUT FORTH HIS NAME TO SERVE ON THE PARKS BOARD.

>> MOTION. >> ALEX RAMIREZ, YES.

>> SECOND. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD HE IS A VERY PARTICULAR PASSION FOR SEEING US GET A BETTER.

[INAUDIBLE] IN THE PARK SYSTEM SOMEWHERE.

I THINK HE WOULD LIKE TO HELP THE PARK BOARD TO WORK ON.

>> FANTASTIC.OTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. NOMINATING ALEX RAMIREZ TO THE PARKS BOARD. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON

THE MOTION? >> ALSO, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOTED THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING HE BE NOMINATED TO REPLACE THE POSITION THAT WAS HELD BY ROSE MCMILLAN. I BELIEVE THAT WAS SEAT SIX ON

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WOULD ENABLE HIM TO THAT TERM. >> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?

>> YES. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, NOT NECESSARILY NOMINATION BUT ASKING THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE IF MAYBE, NEXT TIME THEY MEET, NOT NECESSARILY SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS BUT MAYBE, START TO LOOK AT, NO LOVE THE BOARDS WE HAVE A LOT OF REPEAT PEOPLE. MAYBE STARTED TO KIND OF LOOK AT POTENTIALLY ASKING SOME OF THOSE TO MAYBE JUST SERVE ON ONE BOARD, AND I CAN GIVE THEM RELIEF SO THEY ARE NOT HAVING THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS A MONTH. IT MAY OPEN UP FOR THE SPOTS FOR OTHER CITIZENS WHO WANT TO BE ENGAGED BUT THEY GET ONLINE AND SAY IT IS ALREADY FULL AND THEY STOP THERE.

MIGHT JUST BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION, I WANTED TO SEE

WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT. >> WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION IN A RECENT PATH ABOUT THAT.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT AND KIND OF THE DESIRE, ESPECIALLY THE UPDATE WE UST DID WITH COUNSEL PARTICLES WILL BE SAFER FOR THE ONLY PERSON SERVING ON ONE BOARD OR COMMISSION.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT. I HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE, I COMPILED A LIST OF ALL APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVED IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS. THERE IS NONE THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR A BOARD OR COMMISSION WERE SOMEONE SERVING ON A BOARD WE CAN REPLACE.

I LOOKED AT THAT TO SEE IF IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY ALREADY.

JUST HOPING WE CAN GET MORE APPLICATIONS IN AND START DOING

THAT. >> OUT ALSO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO APPLY EVEN IF THE BOARD IS FULL.

BECAUSE WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE WEATHER COUNSELING PEOPLE WHO DROP OFF FOR VARIOUS REASONS. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN AND WE KEEP THE APPLICATIONS ON FILE.

AND SO, IF YOU APPLY FOR THE BOARD THAT IS FULL TODAY THREE

MONTHS NOW IT MIGHT NOT BE. >> WE CURRENTLY ARE SHORT PEOPLE FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

AND THEY CANNOT EVEN MEET QUORUM.F YOU WANT TO SERVE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY, START THERE.

GET YOU INVOLVED IN IT DOES NOT MEET FREQUENTLY, ONLY AS NEEDED. WHAT WE NEED PEOPLE SO PLEASE

APPLY. >> AND THAT IS ONE THAT REQUIRES RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

WE DID HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT CAME IN FOR THAT ONE BUT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO INTERVIEW THEM BUT WE NEED TO FILL THOSE UP.

>> ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR 9.1? HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON

[9.2. Hutto Economic Development Corporation ICSC Conference Presentation (Cheney Gamboa)]

MEETING. >> DOES NOT COOK OR WORK OR DO I NEED TO TELL YOU NEXT SLIDE? EXCELLENT, THANK YOU.

HI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THE ICSC CONFERENCE BACK IN MAY, 22ND TO THE 24TH.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW, ICSC STANDS FOR INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF SHOPPING CENTERS.

SO THIS WAS A HUGE CONVENTION OF EVERYONE INVOLVED IN RETAIL FROM SITE DEVELOPERS, ALL THE WAY TO THE END USERS, REAL ESTATE FIRMS AND ALL OF IT. JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT. LET'S SEE.

IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS. OKAY PERFECT! THIS IS OUR BOOTH. YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THAT GENTLEMAN THERE. OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR BOOTH LOOK LIKE AND THIS WAS OUR FIRST TIME HAVING A BOOTH AT ICSC, SO VERY EXCITING.

WE DID HAVE VARIOUS MATERIALS AND SWAG, I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE, ONE OF OUR TAKE AWAY ITEMS. WITH INFORMATION ABOUT HUTTO. IN ATTENDANCE WAS BOB FARLEY, MYSELF, SEAN LUCAS, WHO ALSO SERVES ON THE BOARD AS THE TREASURER, AND THEN PEDRO GIMENEZ FROM THE CITY.

WONDERFUL TO HAVE, HE GOT SOME GREAT FOOTAGE OF WE CAN USE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS ANY OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO HAVE THAT SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO HAVE HIM THERE TO HELP OUT. THE LITTLE LAPTOP YOU SEE BOB STANDING IN FRONT OF WAS ACTUALLY HOW WE SCANNED IN BADGES FOR ANYONE THAT VISITED OUR BOOTH AND SO, WERE ABLE TO

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IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION! [LAUGHTER] I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHAT PUT TOGETHER. THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE RETAIL COACH, WHO IS ONE OF OUR VENDORS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE RETAIL TRADE AREA SO, NOT SURE YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THIS, IT IS A LOT IN VERY SMALL SO I THINK, DO WE HAVE COPIES WE CAN GIVE TO COUNSEL IF THEY WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK? AWESOME. IT JUST KINDA GOES OVER SOME OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME, SHOWS RETAIL TRADE AREA KIND OF WHERE CUSTOMERS ARE COMING FROM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW FAR OUT PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TO HUTTO TO SHOP AND DINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BASICALLY TO COME SPEND THEIR MONEY! AND A SNAPSHOT OF THE CURRENT RETAIL TRADE MARKET.

SOME OF THE BRANDS ARE ALREADY HERE AND A ROUGH LOCATION OF WHERE THEY ARE. AND THEN, BUT RIGHT SHOWS HUTTO LOCATION. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE UNDER THE 130 CORRIDOR AND INTO AUSTIN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

JUST TO GIVE THEM AN IDEA BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHERE HUTTO IS BUT IN A SETTING WITH THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND THEY MIGHT KNOW AUSTIN OR MAYBE WE MIGHT REFERENCE DALLAS OR HOUSTON OR SAN ANTONIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GIVE THEM A BETTER FRAME OF REFERENCE.

BOOTH REVIEW. THESE WERE BOOTH OF OTHER CITIES IN ATTENDANCE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE INVESTMENT THAT THESE OTHER CITIES ARE MAKING IN THIS CONFERENCE. JUST SOME OF THE, THE DETAIL AND THE SIZE OF THE BOOTH AND THE TYPES OF VISUALS THAT WERE THERE, JUST KINDA WANTED TO SHOW YOU, BRING BACK SOME OF THAT SO YOU'D HAVE IT AS A POINT OF REFERENCE AS WELL.

AND THEN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE RETAIL IN ATTENDANCE THAT BOB THOUGHT WAS MOST IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

AND THEN, FOR US, SOME OF THE KEY DEVELOPERS AND ATTENDEES THAT WERE THERE WITH THE ENDEAVOR GROUP, JAIL AND -- ENDEAVOR AND JLL DO COMMERCIAL ND -- COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. I HAD TO GO TO MY NOTES BECAUSE IT'S A LOT. A LOT OF SUCCESSES, A GOOD THING TO HAVE! SUCCESS IS FOR US FOR THIS CONVENTION WERE, IT WAS OUR BIG MARKETING LAUNCH.

WE REDID OUR LOGO AND THAT'S IT THERE YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE IT ON MY SHIRT AS WELL. ONE OF THE SHIRTS WE WERE TO THE CONVENTION. THIS WAS OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PRESENCE AT SUCH A LARGE SHOWING.

WE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT MEETINGS AND FOLLOW-UP WITH EVERYONE, THIS HOTEL GROUP QUITE INTERESTED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH AND ENDEAVOR AS WELL.

OUT OF THIS, WE ALSO HAD THREE RESTAURANT OPPORTUNITIES I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED UP ON. AND ARE STILL PROGRESSING OR STILL IN COMMUNICATION AS WELL AS IN ENTERTAINMENT AND MOVIE THEATER CONCEPT. SOME OTHER SUCCESSES ARE JUST IDEA SHARING, WHEN WE WERE WALKING AROUND HER PEOPLE COMING TO OUR BOOTH OR FROM SOME OF THE APPOINTMENTS WE HAD, JUST CLEANING IDEAS. NOT JUST FOR THE EDC BUT ALSO FOR OUR CITY AND COMMUNITY. THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT SUCCESS AS WELL AS WELL AS CONNECTIONS THAT YOU MAKE.

YOU GET THE VALUABLE FACE TIME WITH THESE KEY ORGANIZATIONS AND DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE TO HUTTO.

WE DO HAVE THE SMALL TOWN BUSINESS FEEL WHERE WE CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LOCATE HERE.

WE WANTED TO BE MORE THAN JUST, THERE'S A COOL NAME ON A BUILDING AND FUN FOR US.E WANT IT TO BE THE RIGHT FIT.

WE WANT OUR CITIZENS TO BE HAPPY, WANT IT TO BE A GOOD MATCH FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FACE VALUE.

IT WAS GREAT TO START BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AS WELL.

NOTES FOR NEXT YEAR. AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME ATTENDING AND HAVING A BOOTH.

ANOTHER BOB HAS GONE TO THIS IN THE PAST.

BUT THE THREE OF US, IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME AND WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THINGS FOR NEXT YEAR WHEN WE ATTEND.

SOME OF THAT REVOLVES AROUND PLANNING.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A SINGLE POINT PERSON IN CHARGE OF KIND OF ALL THE DETAILS OF IT.

GETTING REGISTRATION AND BADGE ACCESS.

OUR HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS, AIRFARE, ALL OF THAT SO IT IS ALL AS COHESIVE AS POSSIBLE AND JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO

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ALSO, TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TARGETING, THIS YEAR FELT LIKE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT REACTIVE AGAIN, BEING A FIRST TIME, NOT 100 PERCENT SURE WHAT TO EXPECT SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY MOVING FORWARD TO BE MORE TARGETED NO APPROACH.

MEETING HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ATTEND. SO NOW WE CAN SAY OKAY, WE HAD LAST YEARS LIST. CHANCES ARE PRETTY GOOD MOST FOLKS WILL PROBABLY COME AGAIN. WHO DO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GO TALK TO? WHAT CAN WE LEARN ABOUT THESE ORGANIZATIONS, TO HELP US MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONES WE FEEL LIKE OUR WORTH THE EXTRA EFFORT. THAT WILL BE HELPFUL WITH OUR PLANNING. MARKETING, SO, THE TO GO INFORMATION OR SHOULD YOU, THE MAP IS A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.

A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THEIR AND IT IS JUST A SINGLE SHEET.

THAT IS A LOT TO HAVE IT IS FRONT AND BACK BUT IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION SO WE FLICKED AS AN OPPORTUNITY HIGHLIGHT KEY THINGS, BOLDFACE FOR KEY AREAS OR LANDMARKS LIKE THE TESLA PLANT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO THAT, TO THE NEW SAMSUNG PLAN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW CLOSE THAT IS, SO JUST REALLY HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THOSE KEY LANDMARKS AND DISTANCE TO MAJOR CITIES LIKE I MENTIONED WE WERE TALKING TO PEOPLE, WE HAD TO REFERENCE LARGER CITIES AROUND US. HAVING INFORMATION TO GO SO IS NOT FORGOT WHEN THEY SIT DOWN TO GO THROUGH ALL THEIR STUFF AND LIKE YEAH, HUTTO LET ME LOOK THAT UP ON THE MAP.

THEY WILL HAVE IT RIGHT HERE AND SAY, IF THIS CLOSE TO THIS MAJOR CITY. WE FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR FOLKS AS WELL. AND MAYBE DOING MORE OF A HIGH-LEVEL OVERVIEW RATHER THAN SO MUCH DETAILED INFORMATION, THERE IS A LOT OF NUMBERS ON THEIR AND STATS SO SOME OF IT WE FEEL WE CAN SHIFT TO OUR WEBSITE AND MAYBE DO CODES FOR MORE INFORMATION, HERE YOU GO AND DRIVE THE TRAFFIC TO THE WEBSITE. ALSO, HAVING SOME KIND OF APPOINTMENT REQUEST SOFTWARE, AN EXAMPLE IS MICROSOFT BOOKING. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS USED IT BUT IT'S BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE IN REAL TIME, TO REQUEST APARTMENTS WITH ANY STAFF AUTHORIZED TO HAVE THE MEETINGS. AND THEN THAT WAY, IT UPDATES IN REAL TIME AND YOU CAN PUT IN LIKE AVAILABILITY YOU CAN CHANGE IT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR TIME AND THEN AGAIN, THE PLANNING PIECE OF THAT IS THAT YOU CAN SET UP THE MEETINGS IN ADVANCE SO YOU GOT YOUR CALENDAR ALREADY TO GO. AND THEN ALSO, USING THE NOTES FEATURE. THE LITTLE BADGE SCANS GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN NOTES. I THINK WE CAN BE BETTER ABOUT PUTTING THE NOTES AND SO WHEN WE GO BACK TO REVIEW, WE KNOW, THAT WAS THAT PERSON AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS REAL QUICK.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE IT IS A VERY VERY BUSY BUSY TIME. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, IT'S HARD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH EACH ONE. THE NOTES WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. OUR BOOTH SIZE AND LOCATION, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT TALKED AND YOU CAN REALLY TELL FROM THE PICTURE IN THE PRESENTATION BUT OUR BOOTH SIZE WAS 10 BY 10 WHICH IS A STANDARD BOOTH SIZE KIDS IN THE DOOR BUT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ABOUT GETTING A CORNER LOCATION OR EXPANDING IT TO A 10 BY 20 TO HAVE MORE SPACE AND HAVE A HEAVIER PRESENCE, AS PEOPLE COME BY.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE WELCOME GIFTS FOR NEW BUSINESSES THAT DO LOCATE IN HUTTO CITIZEN ANNUAL CONVENTION, WE CAN KEEP A LIST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT LOCATE HERE, AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN ICSC WE CAN GO BY AND THANK THEM FOR LOCATING HERE AND KIND OF AGAIN, WILL THAT RELATION SHIP ANOTHER TOUCH POINT FOR US.

CURRENT AVAILABILITY. I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING PEOPLE WERE ASKING A LOT. WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND WHERE.

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE DETAILS READILY AVAILABLE.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE BUT IT WAS ASKED SO MANY TIMES THAT THERE WILL BE HELPFUL TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN PRINT ON THAT TO GO INFORMATION SO, WHATEVER LAND AVAILABLE, COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL, EXEC THAT SO THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY SEE, THEY'VE GOT X AMOUNT OF ACRES IT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR MY FIRM OR MY END-USERS THAT I WORK WITH. ATTENDANCE.

WE ARE SUPER HAPPY WITH THE TEAM THAT WE HAD, I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB. BUT, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY HAVE A MEMBER OF CHAMBER STAFF ATTEND AS WELL. THERE WERE OTHER CHAMBERS IN ATTENDANCE AND I JUST THINK WILL BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF HOW WE TREAT OUR BUSINESSES ONCE THEY ARE HERE.

AND I THINK THEY'LL JUST BRING ANOTHER LEVEL EXPERTISE AND THE

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YOU CAN SEE WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE, YOU CAN REQUEST APPOINTMENTS USUALLY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY MOVING FORWARD TO REALLY LEVERAGE THOSE TOOLS AND RESOURCES AND YOU CAN MARKET YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THERE. AND KIND OF DO SOME OF THAT PRE- WORK ON THEIR EXISTING EXHIBITOR WEBSITE.

I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND THEN, SOME OF THE KEY LEARNINGS AND CONSIDERATIONS FOR HUTTO. THESE CAME FROM CONVERSATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUPLE OF DAYS, AS WELL AS EDUCATION SESSIONS.

SO THEY HAD SESSIONS RUNNING BOTH DAYS.

IT WAS BACK TO BACK. KIND OF ALL DAY LONG AND THERE WERE GENERAL EDUCATION, THEY WERE OPEN SO WE ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THOSE. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CLIFF NOTES FROM THE SESSIONS. SUSTAINABILITY WAS A COMMON THEME IN SEVERAL OF THE SESSIONS.

A COUPLE OF THE KEY TAKEAWAYS I THINK FOR HUTTO, ARE GOING TO BE, HOW ARE WE PLANNING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR OUR PARKING NEEDS, BOTH FOR OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, AS WELL AS CUSTOMERS. SO, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. AND THEN ALSO, HAVING A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. THAT WAS A WHOLE SESSION AROUND HAVING A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND THEY SHARED THAT FOR A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS, THAT IS SOMETHING THEY CONSIDER WHEN DECIDING WHERE TO LOCATE. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND KIND OF FRESHEN UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN PLACE WHEN AN ORGANIZATIONS GOES TO SEEK THAT OUT, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO TELL THEM WHAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW AND WHAT WE THINK IS A GOOD PLAN OF ACTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT LOCATING HERE AS WELL. PARKING DEVELOPMENT.

IN ADDITION TO THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THEY TALKED ABOUT, AND IS KIND OF GOES INTO SHOPPING EVOLUTION AS WELL. SO, COVID HAS DEFINITELY CHANGED THE RETAIL INDUSTRY AND HOW PEOPLE SHOP, AND KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE SPEED AT WHICH THEY WANT THEIR STUFF.

WHETHER IT IS FOOD, CLOTHES, YOU KNOW, AUTO PART, WHATEVER IT IS. THE SAME ONE THAT THEY WANT THEIR INFORMATION, THEY WANT THEIR STUFF AND THEY WANT IT NOW. WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING IS TRENDS THAT STOREFRONTS ARE DECREASING SO YOU'LL SEE SMALLER FOOTPRINTS FOR STORES AND RETAIL LOCATIONS.

BUT YOU MAY NEED TO PLAN FOR MORE PICKUP PARKING SPOTS.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO HAVE MORE 10 TO 15 MINUTE PARKING? THEY ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT RIDESHARE. SO, HOW DOES THAT PULL INTO THE RETAIL AREAS THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR, DOES IT MEAN WE HAVE A DROP IN PICKUP ZONE FOR THAT?DESIGNATED OR SPECIFIC PARKING FOR THAT. A LOT OF CONSUMER BEHAVIOR TRENDS THAT WERE SHARED FOR THAT.

FOR MIXED USE, THIS WAS AN INTERESTING ONE.

AND THE EXPERTS THAT WERE ON THE PANEL FOR THIS SESSION SHARED THAT WHAT THEY ARE SEEING IS A STRONG PREFERENCE FOR NO RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO, WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU KEEP THE SEPARATE BECAUSE IT CAN LEAD TO A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES, I'M TALKING A LOT ABOUT PARKING BUT IT SEEMS TO TOUCH EVERY PART OF THE RETAIL EXPERIENCE. IT JUST CAUSES SOME ISSUES WITH PARKING AVAILABILITY FOR RESIDENTS VERSUS EMPLOYEES VERSUS CUSTOMERS. SO, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE AND ANOTHER REASON IS WHEN YOU HAVE RETAIL DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL IT IS, YOU MAY BE SHRINKING YOUR END USER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS A SMOKE SHOP ON THE FIRST FLOOR, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO LIVE ABOVE A SMOKE SHOP OR IF YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, A PINBALL OUTLET OR SOMETHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WILL WANT TO LISTEN TO PENN BALLS UNTIL SEVEN OR 8:00 AT NIGHT OR WHATEVER HOW LONG THEY ARE OPEN. IT SHRINKS AVAILABLE POPULATION TO RESIDE IN THOSE BUILDINGS AND IMPACTS THE RETAIL ASPECT IN THE SAME WAY. IF I PEOPLE ABOVE ME, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO ADHERE TO RULES, X, Y, AND Z WHERE I WOULDN'T IF I WAS JUST IN A RETAIL AREA BY MYSELF OR WITH OTHER RETAILERS.

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AND THEN I TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THIS SHOPPING EVOLUTION.

THE CONNECTION PIECE, THAT WAS REALLY RELEVANT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GOT OUR DOWNTOWN FOCUS AND CO-OP AND HOW DO WE CONNECT THOSE AND OTHERS WANT TO COME HOW DO WE CONNECT THEM BEST WE CAN TO WHATEVER OTHER AREAS MIGHT BE OF INTEREST AROUND THERE. WHETHER IT BE CLOSE TO A PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WALK ABILITY AND MAJOR SHOPPING AREAS IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST. THIS ALSO KIND OF GOES OVER INTO THE SHOPPING EVOLUTION. PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AND PARK THEIR CAR ONE TIME AND WALKED TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. NOT GOING TO THIS SHOP, GO BACK TO MY CAR, DRIVE OVER HERE, GET IN, GO OVER HERE.

IF THINGS ARE IN WALKING DISTANCE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY BE WALKABLE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO -- THAT IS THE OVERVIEW AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU AND I THINK WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. I HAVE SEAN AND BOB HERE TO BACK ME UP, SO HIT ME WITH YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL?

OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING? >> THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, REALLY FORMATIVE AND IS REALLY GOOD TO HEAR.

A LOT OF TIMES THE MAYOR IS A DISADVANTAGE FOR LIAISON REPORTS TO REALLY BE ABLE TO REPORT A LOT BACK SO IT'S REALLY AWESOME TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE EDC AND DIRECTIONS YOU GUYS ARE RESEARCHING.

I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.

DO WE REALLY HAVE A LETTER SAY? BECAUSE LIKE TESLA, LUCID MOTORS, THEY ALL KIND OF DO THEIR OWN DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHEN THEY ARE CHOOSING TO PUT IN CHARGING STATIONS,

>> I'M NOT SURE THE CITY VERSUS THE CARMAKER BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE EV CHARGING STATION COMPANIES IN ATTENDANCE. THEY HAVE VERY SET UPS AND PROCESSES WHO OWNS IT, DO YOU LEASE IT, WHAT TYPE IS IT, IS THAT FAST OR SLOW CHARGE? A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL AS WELL.

BUT TESLA I THINK IS UNIQUE, THERE KIND OF LIKE THE APPLE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THEY MAKE THEIR OWN STUFF, IT FITS THEIR STUFF AND THAT'S IT BUT THERE ARE UNIVERSAL.

THE CITY DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES, WE WANT TO PUT EV HERE AND I WILL DIVERT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SAY YES, FOR PARKING OR NO FOR PARKING BUT THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT DO, THAT'S THEIR WHOLE

JOB. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO SPECIAL LIKE YOU SAID, TESLA UNIT A SPECIAL DOCTOR.

NOT EVEN NECESSARILY JUST COMPLETELY EV VEHICLES BUT EVEN, THE JEEP SAHARA NOW HAS AN ELECTRIC VERSION, THERE ARE SO MANY CARS TRYING TO GET INTO THE PIERCE SILVERADO NOW CAN BE. THEY ARE REALLY TRYING, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO BREAK INTO THAT SO MAYBE LOOKING AT THESE THIRD PARTIES AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN FIND SOMEONE THAT HAS THE ADAPTERS ARE HOW WELL DO THEY REALLY KEEP UP WITH THAT AND NEW TECHNOLOGY WERE MAYBE ONE DAY THEY WOULD JUST MAKE A UNIVERSAL ONE THAT WILL FIT FOR EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE GOES INTO PLANNING ON THAT BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW MY SPECIFIC THOUGHTS ON THAT IN

GENERAL. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU. I KNOW SHE DON'T TELL EVERYBODY BUT I WANT TO SAY, YOU WILL ONE OF THE PRIMARY PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THE LOGO AND SOME OF THAT.

WHEN I SAW IT I WAS LIKE, YOU ALWAYS KNOW YOU GOT IT.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON EDC, SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO, ACTUALLY BEFORE I THINK NOVEMBER, ONE THING I WAS HOPING TO GET OUT OF IT WAS SOME PEOPLE FROM EDC WILL GO AND POTENTIALLY PEOPLE FROM CITY COUNCIL WILL GO AND THE EDC WOULD WORK ON THE BUSINESS ACQUISITION OR BRINGING PEOPLE HERE. BUT THEN MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD WORK ON ORDINANCE AND THINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT HELPS BRING A COMPANY HERE, WHAT KEEPS THE COMPANY, WHAT ARE ROADBLOCKS. BECAUSE SOMETIMES CITIES THINK THEY ARE DOING A GOOD THING BY REQUIRING RESIDENTIAL AND ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL. WHEN IT DOESN'T TAKE OFF LIKE YOU SAID TO CO-OP, YOU START SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO DEVELOPERS AND RETAILERS, THEY START TO REALIZE, MAYBE THE REASON IT IS NOT GOING SO WELL IS BECAUSE WE ARE PUSHING SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT.

SO HOW DO WE TAKE THEIR INPUT, TAKE THE CITIZENS INPUT, AND

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AS TO COMPLETELY AWAY. BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT ANYBODY FROM SEAN AND CHENEY, I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK OR KIND OF A YOU KNOW, A CHANGE IN OUTLOOK BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I MAY HAVE SAID. SO I DIDN'T GO THERE WE MET BEFORE AND THEN WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT ICSC INTO YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION. WANTED TO BE FROM NEW PEOPLES EYES AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL COULD LOOK AT A COUNCIL MEMBER GOING NEXT YEAR, TO DO THE SAME THING, TO KIND OF BE THERE, SEE SOME THINGS EVEN WITH THE CHAMBER, BUT ALSO IN A WAY, JUST TO TALK AND MEET PEOPLE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE BETTER. A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S AMAZING, THE SIGN CAN BRING BUSINESS TO YOUR CITY AND IS REALLY NOT, IT'S JUST A CERTAIN WAY THEY WANT IT.

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I WOULD SAY THAT EDUCATION SESSIONS, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS WHERE I GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I WANTED TO BRING BACK WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL MAKE.

SO THOSE EDUCATION SESSIONS I THINK WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER WONDERFUL BENEFITS OF GOING AND NETWORKING AND TALKING ABOUT CITIES AND

[9.3. Presentation of Fiscal Year 2023 Proposed Budget (Angie Rios)]

>> THANKS. THIS BRINGS US TO ITEM 9.3.

PRESENTATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2023 PROPOSED BUDGET.

ANGIE RIOS WITH THE BUDGET UPDATE AND FIVE-YEAR CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PRESENTATION.

3. (ANGIE RIOS) A. BUDGET UPDATE B. 5-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PRESENTATION I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER WE WOULD BE DONE BY 7:30 PM AND WE ARE A LITTLE BEHIND. THAT SOMETHING BIG YOU'RE

PASSING THERE. >> THE FIRST AM HANDING OUT.

[INAUDIBLE] DOCUMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED, THERE WAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN THE BACK. YOU HAD A LOT OF PROJECTS IN IT AND CAPITAL CAN PLAY A BIG PART IN THE NUMBERS IN YOUR BUDGET.

WE FOUGHT TO FOCUS TONIGHT ON THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT NOW, CRITICAL OR URGENT. APPROVE THE START OF THE MASTER PLAN THROUGH WATER AND WASTEWATER SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND IS THE COMPANIES HAVE WORKED THROUGH THOSE PLANS THEY'VE IDENTIFIED SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON NOW AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THEY FINISHED THE PLANS.

IN NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME.

A LOT OF THIS IS COMING FROM THEM.

THERE WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION AREAS THAT THE TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL TO THE CITY THAT WILL GO THROUGH ALSO. WE WILL GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN THE PROJECT TO YOU BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.

AND LAY IT ALL OUT FOR YOU WOULD THINK THERE ARE BIG NUMBERS ON HERE AND THAT IS WHY WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE AS WE GO FORWARD BECAUSE IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE NEEDED.

WE NEED TO DO THESE. IT IS NOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES. THIS LIST IS JUST THE CRITICAL THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT RIGHT NOW.

ANGELA, CAN YOU PUT THE WATER WANT TO START? HANDED OFF TO WADE AND LET HIM.

>> THANK YOU, ANGIE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS AS ANGIE MENTIONED, THIS LIST OF PROJECTS WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH A NUMBER OF FOLKS AND REALLY, IT IS KIND OF PRIORITY NEEDS PROJECT LIST. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY

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ESPECIALLY ON THE UTILITIES. THOSE ARE THE FOLKS OUT THERE EVERY DAY, MAKING SURE THE WATER FLOWS AND FLUSH THE TOILET AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, ROADS ARE OPEN.

I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE FOLKS FOR HELPING POLICE TOGETHER.I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE THE PROJECT NEEDS IDENTIFIED HERE, REALLY ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN OUR OPINION, TO NOT ONLY MAINTAIN OUR EXISTING SYSTEM BUT ALSO STRENGTHEN THE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SOME VULNERABILITIES RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF JUST CAPACITY AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME VIABILITY REQUIREMENTS AND PERMIT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PLANNING FOR AND IMPLEMENTING PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE STRONGEST SYSTEM WE HAVE AND CONTINUE TO SERVE THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS NEW DEVELOPMENT AS IT COMES IN. THESE PROJECTS REALLY ARE, I'LL CHARACTERIZE THEM AS SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT WATER, WASTEWATER AND TRANSPORTATION IN EVERY CATEGORY, THAT IS THE FOCUS OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE SYSTEM? SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MAY TOUCH OR BE IN AND AROUND DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.

I GUESS EXCEPTION MIGHT BE THE MEGA SITE, THERE SOME STUFF OUT THERE THAT WE ARE GOING HAVE TO DO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE THE AREA. BUT THESE PROJECTS BY AND LARGE, ARE SEPARATE AND APART FROM ANY DEVELOPER DRIVEN PROJECTS THAT MAY BE EXTENDING UTILITIES OUT TO A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH. WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THOSE UNDER THE PROCESS, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS TO IMPLEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUND THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT THESE ARE REALLY MORE I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS.

AS ANGIE MENTIONED, -- ARE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP AND REFINE THE MASTER PLAN AND THOSE PLANS WILL COME TO YOU I BELIEVE IN OCTOBER THAN THE FINAL VERSION SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER. FROM THAT LIST, LIKELY, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT GET ADDED TO THE CIP PLAN AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF AS A CONSENSUS EVERYONE AGREES WE NEED TO GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY OR VERY SOON ON THESE PROJECTS. AND SO, WE WANT TO GO TO THOSE WITH YOU TONIGHT. AND AS WE DO SO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE SO STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I'M GOING TO JUST GO DOWN THE LIST HERE. YOU GOT THE MAP ON THE SCREEN.

WE HAVE GOT A LIST OF PROJECTS. WE TRIED TO DO WE WERE LISTING THESE OUT AS SOME LEVEL OF PRIORITY TO EACH OF THEM.

AND SO, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CONVEY THERE.

THE COMMENT OF LIMITED THAT TRIED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

WE DIDN'T COLORCODE IT BUT THREE CATEGORIES.

WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, MAYBE IT'S FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT ON THE ROADWAY SYSTEM OR MAYBE A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS OR A KEY CRITICAL ELEMENT THESE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO MOVE ON QUICKLY. SOME OF THOSE IN THE CATEGORY ARE ALREADY IN DESIGN. TRYING TO GET THEM TO CONSTRUCTION AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT BUT OTHER PROJECTS, WE NEED TO MOVE INTO DESIGN MAYBE HASN'T STARTED YET BUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET GOING. VERY SOON IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. SOME OF THESE ARE OTHERS THAT WE NEED TO GET STARTED THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THUS, THE BREAKDOWN THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WE TRY TO IDENTIFY THOSE BY THE NUMBERING SYSTEM ON THE

INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. >> WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE KEY, INTERIM ORDER CIP POINTS, THOUGH THE LIFT

STATIONS? >> YES, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. ON THE WATER MAP, IF IT'S YELLOW IT'S A POINT LOCATION WHETHER TO PUMP STATION OR TANK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF IT IS BLUE ON THE MAP IT'S A PIPE. TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE KIND OF JUMP INTO SOME OF THE PROJECTS? SO, THE FIRST PRODUCT ON THE LIST, THE FIRST TWO PROJECTS LISTED HERE, IS A PRODUCT THAT IS UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW, NEARING FINAL DESIGN.

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THOSE ARE PUMP STATION IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

THE FIRST ONE, FRAMES WHICH IS, AT THE FRAMES WHICH SITE 3349 AND 79, SECOND ONE IS -- I WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT WATER FOR THE WELLS OUT AT SHILOH, TO COME INTO THE 16 INCH LINE, OVER DISTANCE INTO THE TANK THERE, AND RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN PUSH THROUGH THE PIPE.

BASED ON THE PUMPS THAT ARE IN THEIR CURRENTLY.

IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A KNOCK ON THE PUMPS BUT, WE CANNOT DELIVER, WE CANNOT MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THE PIPE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL PUMPING PERMITS. THAT IS REALLY THE BASIS FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS, SOME KEY ELEMENTS IN THE NEW PUMPING STATION, THE -- STATION FOR EXAMPLE IS A BOOSTER PUMP STATION. HALFWAY DOWN THE LINE TO THE FRAMES WHICH TANK. AND REALLY, THE REASON FOR THE PROJECT IS TO MAXIMIZE THAT EXISTING LINE FACILITY TO FRAME SWITCH. AND SO FOR THE FIRST PROJECT, SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS, FRAME SWITCH PUMP STATION, SOME TANK IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL, VALVE IMPROVEMENTS.

THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE REALLY COMPANION PROJECTS.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE BID AS SEPARATE PROJECTS, JUST AS THE ECONOMY WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT OPTIONS ON, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO COMBINE THESE TWO TO GET A BETTER POTENTIAL PRICE AND LARGER CONTRACTORS.

OUR GOAL IS TO GET THOSE TWO PROJECTS OUT TO BID THIS YEAR.

AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND REALLY, THESE, THE OTHER DRIVER FOR THE PROJECTS IS WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IN PLACE, ALONG WITH SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, THAT WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO DEVELOP DIFFERENT PRESSURE PLANS WITHIN THE SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW WE BASICALLY OPERATING ON ONE PLANE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE TANKS ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND WERE GETTING WATER FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AT DIFFERENT PRESSURE. TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THE SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE, TO SOLIDIFY THE VIABILITY OF THAT SYSTEM, WE NEED THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN PLACE.

THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE REALLY PROJECT ONE INTO, THE FRAME SWITCH AND -- PUMP STATION PROJECTS ARE COMPANION PROJECTS AND REALLY, TOP PRIORITY. BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE FEEDS

FROM THAT. >> HOW FAR IN DESIGN ARE THEY?

>> THEY ARE BETWEEN 60 AND 90 PERCENT.

>> WAS BUDGETED THIS YEAR? >> WHAT DID YOU SAY?

>> WAS THE DESIGN BUDGETED THIS YOUR PART OF THE PROJECTED

NUMBERS? >> OUT OF THE CURRENT BUDGET.

>> THESE WERE IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WE KICKED OFF ABOUT A

YEAR OR SO AGO RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THEY WERE PART OF THE -- AM SORRY.HE 2019 BOND ISSUED FOR WATER WASTE WATER IMPROVEMENTS, THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND WHEN YOU WILL SEE IN WASTEWATER WAS PLANNED IN THE BONDS THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PAYING FOR THE DESIGN.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT PROJECT, THE FIRST YEAR WERE COMPANIONS I GUESS THIS IS A COUSIN TO IT.

PROJECT NUMBER THREE IS A NEW GROUND STORAGE TANK AT FRAME SWITCH. WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PUMP IMPROVEMENTS TO DELIVER MORE WATER TO FRAME SWITCH, THE ADDITION OF A NEW GROUND STORAGE TANK THERE WILL HELP PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THEY ARE, HELP FEED THE ELEVATED TANKS, ADDITIONAL CAPACITY INTO THE SYSTEM AND PROVIDE SOME LIABILITY AS WELL. THIS IS FOR A NEW GROUND STORAGE TANK AT THE FRAME SWITCH LOCATION.

>> IS THE 3.5 MGD, IS THAT THE EXPANDED NUMBER?

>> YES. >> IS CURRENTLY GROUND SOURCE TANK THERE, HE JUST PROPOSED TO MAKE IT BIGGER?

>> LIKE HALF THAT SIZE. >> OKAY.

>> IS THIS INTENDED TO KIND OF BRIDGE THE PEAKS WHERE WE CAN KEEP PUMPING THE TANK FULL AND IF WE START HITTING PEAK DEMAND, WE COULD PUMP MORE WATER FROM THERE AND NOT AS

MUCH THROUGH THE PIPELINE. >> RIGHT.

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THE GROUND STORAGE -- >> WERE TALK ABOUT AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY BUT THIS IS SERVING SOME OF THE SAME PURPOSE WITH A DIFFERENT STRATEGY, RIGHT?

>> YES LOCALIZED STORES THAT WILL PUMP INTO THE TANK TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL AND PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> ONE THING UNDERSTOOD THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A DAILY STORAGE KIND OF THING -- BECAUSE IT IS TREATED WATER.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ARE WE KEEPING THE OLD TANK AND JUST ADDING TO IT OR REPLACING IT?

>> THIS ONE WILL REPLACE THAT TANK.

THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO REUSE THE TANK BUT --

>> WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REPURPOSE.

>> THE NEXT PROJECT, THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS REALLY, WERE RELATED TO EITHER FEEDING WATER INTO FRAME SWITCH, OR MAINTAINING WATER IN THE TANK, THE NEXT PROJECT IS SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE THAT WOULD PROVIDE A MEANS FOR US TO IMPROVE OUR EMERGENCY CONNECTION WITH JONAH AND FEED THE NORTHWEST TANK, NOT ONLY SOME VALVING OR PIPING BUT VALVE THERE TO MAKE THE INTERCONNECT FUNCTION MUCH BETTER.

RIGHT NOW IT JUST FEEDS INTO THE FRAME SWITCH AND FEED THE TANK. THIS WOULD IMPROVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBTAIN EMERGENCY AND SUPPLEMENTAL WATER.

>> THE NEXT ONE IS A COMPANION PROJECT WHICH IS, THERE ARE MINOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDED ON THE SYSTEM AS WELL.

REALLY, IN ESSENCE ONE PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THE NEXT PROJECT ON THE LIST IS PRODUCT NUMBER 16.

THIS IS A CRITICAL PROJECT, FOR A NUMBER REASONS.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A PRODUCT ON A CONSTRUCTION ALONG HIGHWAY 79, AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE PROJECT ALONG 79 BASICALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79 FROM ROUGHLY WHERE -- HITS 79 W. TO JUST WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 132. THIS SEGMENT IS BASICALLY, THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND IT IS A 42 INCH LINE THAT WOULD PICK UP AT THE END OF THE 30 INCH LINE AND CONNECT BACK TO THE FACILITY THERE AT FRAME SWITCH.

AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE LINE, AND SOME OTHER VALVES, THAT ALLOWS US TO MAXIMIZE THE FLOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79 AND ALSO ALLOWS US TO MOVE TOWARDS CREATING THAT SEPARATE

PRESSURE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN. >> IS A ADDITIONAL WATER LINE OR IS IT MAKING THE CURRENT ONE THERE LARGER?

>> THIS IS A BRAND-NEW WATERLINE.

RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE IS A GAP. THE LINE CONNECTS THERE, FRAME SWITCH IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THE MAP BUT, I WENT THE WRONG WAY. IT GOES ACROSS 79 AND IT TIES INTO THE LINE THAT RUNS DOWN. THIS LINE WOULD PICK UP AT THE END OF THAT. GO EAST BACK TOWARD FRAME SWITCH AND HAVE A NEW CONNECTION THERE AT THE FACILITY OF FRAME SWITCH. THE OTHER LINE WOULD STILL STAY ACTIVE, THIS WOULD JUST BE A NEW LINE.

THE OTHER CRITICAL ITEM RELATED TO THIS IS THAT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER TO THE MEGA SITE AND WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS COMING UP BUT THIS PROJECT IS A KEY LINK IN THE

DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. >> WE ALREADY OWN THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY THERE? >> FOR THE MAJORITY OF THAT, YES. IT IS THE EDC MEGA SITE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY THAT -- WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT

OPPORTUNITY FOR EASEMENT. >> WHICH I MIGHT SAY, DUE TO SOME CRAFTY LANGUAGE BY EDC, AT NO COST TO THE CITY AND WE DID

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GET THAT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY MOVING ON, THE NEXT ONE IS PROJECT NUMBER SIX. THIS ONE RUNS ALONG COUNTY ROAD 132, BASICALLY FROM HIGHWAY 79. JOE CONNECTED 30 INCH LINE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. AROUND SOUTH AND CONNECT TO CALL STERN SOUTH OF COTTONWOOD SUBDIVISION.

AGAIN, THIS IS A KEY PRODUCT IN THE THIS REALLY PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT LINK TO THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

ESPECIALLY THE INCOMING DISTRIBUTION SIDE OF THINGS, NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STRONG SERVICE THAT BUT ALSO ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ONGOING IN THE AREA AS WELL AS A WESTERN LEG IF YOU WILL FOR WATER SERVICE.

>> THERE LIKE FOUR DOTS ON THE PICTURE FOR THAT ONE, W6 AT THE BOTTOM OF 132. IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON? IS IT JUST NOTATING THE FRONT -- THE 30 INCH?

>> I WAS LOOKING AT THE DETAIL.

I THINK WITHOUT SHOWING AS WE PULLED THE LINES FROM THE WATER MODEL. THAT MAY BE JUST BOTH SEGMENTS OF ONE. IT RUNS FROM 79 DOWN TO WHERE CARL STERN COMES OUT. OKAY, MOVING ON NUMBER SEVEN.

THIS IS A BRAND-NEW LINE. I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE 42 INCH LINE LONG 79, THIS LINE HERE THIS 24 INCH, THE PRIMARY PIPE FOR THE NEW 890 ELEVATION PRESSURE PLAN THAT WOULD FEED INTO THE NORTHWEST TANK. THIS LINE WOULD RUN ALONG THE LOOP FROM 79 OVER TWO AT SMITH OR JUST TO THE SIDE.

>> WHAT EXACTLY WILL THAT DO FOR US?

>> BY RUNNING THE LINE AND HAVING THE OTHER 801 PRESSURE PLAN AND EVOLVING, IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THOSE TANKS OF DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE FLOATING ON SIMILAR ELEVATIONS. AND SO, BY HAVING THAT AT A HIGHER POINT, IT ALLOWS US TO DEVELOP HIGHER PRESSURES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN. THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE HISTORIC KIND OF LOW-END PRESSURE AND THEN, -- IS OPERATING ON SMALLER LINES AND JUST NOT A VERY STRONG SYSTEM OVER THERE. THIS ALLOWS THAT PRESSURE PLANE TO MORE OR LESS PICK UP THE WHOLE AREA NORTH OF 79, AND FLOAT OFF THAT TANK VERSUS HAVING TO TRY AND FEED EVERYTHING, PUSHING IT FROM THE FRAME SWITCH.

>> MORE FOR PRESSURE REASON, NOT FOR SUPPLY OF WATER, IS

THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> IS REALLY BOTH.

THE HIGHER PRESSURE IN THE TANK ALLOWS YOU TO FEED THE AREA ON A MUCH MORE CONSISTENT BASIS. THE HIGHER THE PRESSURE, THE

MORE FLOW. >> THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, WE GET UP TO THE POINT WHERE GET INTO THE FAR CORNER OF THE CCN FOR HUTTO I LOOK AT THE COST AND FOR $20 MILLION, IS THERE NOT A SIMPLER WAY TO GET THE PRESSURE WE NEED AND THE BIT OF WATER THROUGH AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING WITH, JONAH TO WHOLESALE WATER VERSUS, THERE IS NOT MUCH LEFT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. IF WE SPENT $20 MILLION TO PROVIDE APARTMENTS ON ED SCHMIDT, THERE HAS TO BE A CHEAPER WAY TO BRING THE LAST BIT OF WATER.

OTHERWISE, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE WAY TO GET THE LAST LITTLE BIT OF WATER UP THERE WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PROVIDER NORTH, THE POTENTIALLY IT'S EASIER TO WORK IN AGREEMENT

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I DON'T KNOW THE DEBT SERVICE IS ON $20 MILLION BUT MY GUESS IS THAT IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE WATER.

THAT IS JUST ONE THING I NOTICED.

WE GET TO EXTREMITIES OF THE CITY.

>> WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW BACK UP FOR SOME BETTER EXPLANATION. AND GET SOME OF THE DESCRIPTIONS BUT CERTAINLY CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.

>> IS A MORE THE SIZE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT SIZE, TO GET THE PRESSURE PLANE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE? OR IS FIRST COST AND MAYBE MAKING THE SMALLER PIPE NOT A 36, BUT 30 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T HOW MUCH IT REALLY AFFECTS THE PRICE BUT --

>> WELL, -- >> THE SIZE IS RELATED MORE TO THE PRESSURE PLANE OR THE NEED OR IS THE NEED THE 36 INCH?

>> THE SIZES DRIVEN BY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED THROUGH IT AND HOW MUCH, THAT ALSO RELATES TO HOW MUCH FRICTION IS IN THE PIPES. THE SMALLER THE PIPE, THE MORE FRICTION YOU HAVE, AND THE LESS YOU CAN PUSH THROUGH SO.

>>. [INAUDIBLE] WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THIS AREA. BECAUSE THESE ARE PERIMETER PROJECTS WERE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS AND THIS IS DEFINITELY AN AREA WHERE TRYING TO OPTIMIZE LITTLE MORE, REALLY LOOKING ELEVATIONS TO SEE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO EXPAND 890, TO GET THE PRESSURE WHERE WE NEED THEM TO BE.

WHICH COULD IMPACT THE SIZE OF THE LINE.

WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DOWNSIZE THAT.

I WILL SAY, IF THE AREA ISN'T THAT BIG THEN WE MAY NOT NEED TO EXPAND THAT AND WE CAN LOOK AT POTENTIALLY GETTING WATER FROM OTHER OPTIONS I THINK THAT ARE BEING IRONED OUT.

>> I SAY THIS WITH CAVEAT. I LIVE RIGHT BY THERE AND ANOTHER IS A WATER PRESSURE ISSUE.

BRINKER HEADS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS POP UP, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY. IT'S JUST THE PRESSURE.

I REALIZE THE ISSUE, I JUST THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE EASY ANSWER IS ALWAYS THE LUXURY AND IF WE RESTRAINED YOU AND SAID, YOU'VE GOT $2 MILLION TO FIGURE IT OUT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE VERSUS SPEND WHATEVER YOU WANT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE DOING THAT BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIND $200 WORTH OF STUFF AND AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. WE HAVE TO FIGURE ALL OF THE NEEDS, BUT THEN SOMEHOW, NOT -- SOME OF IT WE HAVE TO BAND-AID UNTIL WE GET THROUGH LIKE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

>> RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE INVESTIGATING THE EXTENT OF THE PRESSURE ISSUES, THERE IS KIND OF A HIGHER ELEVATION AREA BUT IS NOT THE WHOLE AREA NORTH OF 79 CELESTE WE ARE TRYING TO OPTIMIZE BECAUSE IF IT IS THE WHOLE AREA AS WE ARE LOOKING AT IT, THEN IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE THE CADILLAC OPTION TO HAVE -- GOING THERE. BECAUSE IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE ANY OTHER OPTIONS IF THE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY DEMAND BUT IF WE CAN LIMIT, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME OPTIONS THERE.

AGAIN, THIS KIND OF SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS, SOMETHING WE SAW AS AN ISSUE BUT STILL WORKING THROUGH THE ANALYSIS.

>> ISN'T THIS ALSO TO HELP UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HAVE -- IS CREATING A BYPASS BECAUSE NORMALLY CAN PROBABLY PUSH WATER THROUGH OLD TOWN BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT CAN'T HANDLE PRESSURE ALSO KNOW WE HAVE TO CREATE SEPARATE PRESSURE PLANE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OLD TOWN SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

AT LEAST THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> YEAH, THERE SOME OLDER SMALLER PIPELINES IN THE AREA THAT BASICALLY, WE USE EXISTING TRANSMISSION TO GO AROUND AND THEN BLEED DOWN TO THE AREA OF THE SYSTEM TO REDUCE PRESSURE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO FIX THAT AND PART OF WHY THE PRESSURE PLANE WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO EXPAND IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE TANK IS QUITE A BIT OF CAPACITY.

TRYING TO BALANCE HOW MANY CONNECTIONS WE CAN ADD TO THE TANK VERSUS THE EXISTING TANKS BEFORE WE HAVE TO HAVE STORAGE IN 801, I THINK IT'S KIND OF ALL OF THE BALANCING ACT OF

WHERE THE PROJECTS GO. >> ALSO WE DON'T USE THE TANK.

>> RIGHT, YOU HAVE EXISTING CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN ADD MORE CONNECTIONS FROM THE REQUIREMENT.

>> RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS A ANOTHER CCN.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE?

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AND AGAIN, THESE ARE THE SCOPE AND EXTENT OF THE PROJECTS, THEY ARE HIGH-LEVEL. ANNA STEPHANIE SAID, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO REFINE RESPONSE AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT PROJECT NUMBER EIGHT, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT BASICALLY, IF WE ARE TO EXPAND OUR WELLFIELD, THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER, WHETHER IT'S FROM -- OR ANOTHER PROVIDED TO THE EAST. THIS PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE BASICALLY A PARALLEL 16 INCH LINE TO THE HEART OF TEXAS LINE. TO FEED THE SYSTEM.

WE ARE TALKING ALMOST 5 MILES OF PIPELINE.

I WILL SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS AGAIN, HIGH-LEVEL, SOMETHING AS WE START TO REFINE THINGS, WE CAN DILUTE AND ENDED THINK WE HAVE MORE CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY NEEDED, WE ARE TALKING ADDITIONAL SERVICE PROVIDERS, OTHER OPTIONS IN ADDITION TO EXPANDING THE WELLFIELD THIS IS A PROJECT THAT KEEPS COMING UP ON THE LIST.

I WILL SAY THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THERE IS A DEFINITE LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN PUSH THROUGH THE 16 INCH LINE OUT THERE NOW.

AND SO, THIS WOULD IN ESSENCE, DOUBLE THE CAPACITY TO DELIVER WATER FROM THE EXISTING WELLFIELD OR ANOTHER PROVIDER IN THE AREA. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THIS IS, WAIT A MINUTE. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER PROVIDER READY TO GO THAT WE NEED TO TAP INTO IN ANTICIPATION OF ANOTHER PERSON OR ANOTHER LINE 30 MILES AWAY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> W 13 IS ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT? IF WE DRILL MORE WELLS DOWN

THERE, THIS WILL BE NEEDED. >> YES.

>> REALLY, THE QUESTION IS, EIGHT AND 13 GO TOGETHER.

BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN DO 13 UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE EIGHT.

THERE'S NO POINT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> YES.ND THEN -- EVEN WITH 13, PART OF THAT, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE EIGHT, LUCAS STILL HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AND WITH PUMP IMPROVEMENTS, WE COULD BASICALLY DELIVER MORE WATER. BUT THOSE ARE LOOSELY RELATED.

>> THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE LOOKING AT SPENDING TO BRING YOUR OWN ADDITIONAL WATER BETWEEN LINES AND PUMPS AND ALL THE STUFF HERE? BECAUSE IF WE START TO GET INTO THE 20 OR $30 MILLION RANGE, MAKES YOU START WONDERING, IS THERE NOT SOMEBODY, PIPELINE COMING THROUGH THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN WHERE THE COST MAY BE DRAMATICALLY LESS. I KNOW IT'S A DEBATE ON THE COUNCIL, I'M NOT ONE THAT WE HAVE TO BE THE SOLE DRIVER OF THE WATER AND OTHER THINGS A LOOK AT MORE AS A REGIONAL, WHERE WE CAN OWN SOME GET SOME FROM THIS PERSON AND SOME FROM THAT. NOW LOOK AT THE SIGNS ON THE WALL. WHATEVER IS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE, I LOOK AT THE CITY AS WE HAVE ONE OBLIGATION, TO PROVIDE WATER. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER TO HUTTO OWN WELLS AND PUMPS AND PIPELINES.

OFTEN PEOPLE CARE AS LONG AS IT'S THE CHEAPEST WATER, IT IS CLEAN AND DOESN'T MAKE THEM SICK AND IT IS NEVER YOU KNOW, NOT COMING OUT THE TOP. THAT WOULD HELP ME BECAUSE I STRUGGLED WITH THIS FRAMING A AND ALL THE STUFF BECAUSE IT SEEMS SO EXPENSIVE TO DO. WHEN -- WRAPPED AROUND TO THE SOUTH, ROUND ROCK TO THE WEST, A NEW PIPELINE WITH CEDAR PARK.

IF WE WORK REGIONALLY WITH OTHER PEOPLE, IS THERE NOT A

CHEAPER WAY? >> IF I COULD, WE ARE EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS RIGHT NOW.

I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW, SHORT OF ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS, WE DO HAVE CERTAIN ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THE WELLFIELD THAT WE CAN IMPROVE. THIS IS SLANTED TOWARDS THAT.

IF ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY COMES ALONG THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER ENTITIES, WE CERTAINLY CAN PIVOT AND LOOK AT WHAT MAKES THE BEST SENSE. BUT WE'VE GOT TO PLAN FOR SOMETHING TODAY. WE KNOW WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENT SO RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE SIT THIS WE ARE SAYING, WE

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IN THIS ONE, WERE LIKE ANY OF THESE OTHERS, FIRST STEP IS TO REALLY DEFINE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE DO ON THIS PROJECT, AND THE WELLFIELD PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO DO PERIMETER WORK TO DEFINE WHAT THAT IS AND COME UP WITH BETTER COST.

BUT, SHORT OF ANOTHER OPTION BEING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE SAYING WE NEED TO PURSUE.

WE NEED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH. >> IF I MAY, WHAT I THINK MIGHT HELP ALL OF US ON COUNCIL AS WELL, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS TO GET ANY OTHER WATER SO YOU HAVE TO PLAN WITH WHAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN GET SOMETHING BETTER I AGREE, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD LOWER COST, THAT'S THE GOAL BUT I THINK WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE, A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS ARE INDEPENDENT OF WHERE WE GET THE WATER FROM. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING OF PROJECTS YOU KNOW W1, 316, ALL OF THESE, WHETHER YOU HAVE JONAH OR AN AGREEMENT WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY, WE HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM AND SOME PIPES TO THE MEGA SITE, THROUGH THIS DOWN HERE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU GET THE WATER FROM.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING I THINK THERE WILL BE VERY INTERESTING.

AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LARGE NUMBER HELPS THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THERE IS A SAMANTHA SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE GROWTH WE HAVE IN THE TOWN. THAT IS ONE COST.

THE SECONDARY COST IS HOW TO GET THE WATER THEN TO MEET THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE BUILT.OULD COME FROM TEXAS, SOME OTHER WATER AUTHORITY IF THERE IS ONE TO GET.

THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

THAT IS A SECOND LINE OTTOMAN DOOR ON THE BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW THIS MIGHT BE WHERE WE GO BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET OF THE WATER BUT AT LEAST IF WE DO THAT WITH THE PUBLIC I THINK IT MAY HELP AT A HIGH LEVEL TO SAY THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE, INTERNAL IMPROVEMENT VERSUS GETTING WATER WHEREVER THAT

SOURCE MAY BE. >> AND THUS A GOOD, WE CAN

MAKE THAT DISTINCTION. >> ARE LASTING AND WILL SHOW THIS OUT THERE. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE BRINGING THE WATER LINE AND GOING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1660. AND DOWN THAT WAY I'LL BE SHOCKED IF THEY WERE NOT ON WELL WATER AND JONAH IS LOW ON WATER THEN THERE IS TWO PEOPLE TO THE BOTH THE WATER AND IF WE HAVE CAPACITY AND PERMITS EAST, IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH TWO OTHER ENTITIES AND SAY WE LIKE TO BUILD X AMOUNT OF GALLON NAME GALLON PER DAY WATER LINE, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP FUND IT.

BECAUSE GOING FROM A 16 TO 24 IS PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR COMPARED TO THE FIRST TIME. IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A LINE, WHY NOT TAKE IT DOWN 132 AND THEN DOWN SOME OF THE ROAD.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE WE'RE STAYING IN HUTTO CCN AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO IS TO GET THE GUYS ALL IN A ROOM AND TALK LIKE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER.'LL CARE WHO OWNS THE LAND, IT COULD BE ANYBODY COULD OWN IT, AS LONG AS IT IS CHEAP. I THINK WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CLARK ASSANGE, TO DIVIDE THE NECESSARY, HAVE TO HAVE FROM DISTRIBUTION BECAUSE WE HAVE AT ONCE.IN THEM NEED TO HAVE IN TERM OF SOME REGIONAL AGREEMENT.

THEN OF THE COUNCIL WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

WE CAN PUSH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT AN AGREEMENT REGIONALLY OR SAY IS ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO GO -- WE MAY BE A WATER PROVIDER AGAIN.

>> MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, IF I MIGHT.

YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME POTENTIALLY LARGE WATER PROVIDERS.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE DEMAND FOR MORE WATER IS RIGHT HERE, SO WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING QUICKLY.

WE ARE NOT LIMITING IT TO ONE PARTICULAR OPTION.

WE ARE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME ENTITIES OF WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO BUY INTO THAT SO, A LOT OF THESE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE SPENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHICH IS WHAT I HEAR YOU ALL SAYING TOO. WE ARE SUCH A CRITICAL POINT NOW, THAT WE ARE ALMOST LOOKING AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF YOU WILL. DOES NOT A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT BUT I CANNOT THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY, LESS COSTLY AND QUICKER, WE DEFINITELY WILL BRING THAT TO YOU.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH

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AND SO YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THINKING IF WE CAN INVEST MONEY IN A SYSTEM THAT WE KNOW WE CAN CONTROL, I THINK THIS KIND OF BEEN OUR BIG BENEFIT OVER THE WHOLE TIME, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED. WHEN WE HAD THE BIG SNOW EVENT WAS, WE WERE ONE OF THE LAST CITIES STILL SUPPLYING WATER IN THE AREA, EVERYONE'S KIND OF SHUT DOWN, STOPPED AND HUTTO WAS, THE LAST ONE ONLINE. BEFORE WE WENT OFF-LINE THEN WE WILL ORDER THE FIRST BACK UP. WE WERE ONLY OUT OF POWER FOR SEVEN DAYS AT MY HOUSE BUT OUT OF WATER I THINK A DAY AND 1/2.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS BECAUSE WE CONTROLLED THE SYSTEM, WE WERE IN CHARGE, WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING, WE GOT IN THERE AND YOU KNOW, WE MADE IT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE IT WAS OURS. AND SO THAT'S WHY I REALLY LIKE SEEING, PUTTING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE ARE LESS RELIANT ON OTHERS. DOING WHAT WE CAN LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, TO SEE IF WE CAN'T CONNECT AND GET SOME REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM BUT LOOKING AT ALL THE WAYS WE CAN DO THAT I THINK IT'S GREAT. BUT I REALLY PERSONALLY FAVOR DOING WHAT WE CAN TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM WE'VE GOT SO IS

WITHIN OUR CONTROL. >> CORRECTLY FEMORAL BUT THE OTHER THING IS, WE PROBABLY NEED TO FUND THE DESIGN OF SOME PREJUDICE BECAUSE WE CANNOT JUST STOP AND NOT DO THAT AND HOPE WE CAN COME UP WITH A WATER CONTRACT IN THE NEXT YEAR AND 1/2 BECAUSE WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND HALF OR TWO YEARS TO START SOME OF THIS, WE WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE IF WE DON'T GET THOSE CONTRACTS. THERE WE CAN END UP HAVING MORE TO PAY FOR THE WATER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A CHOICE.

WERE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO BALANCE THE COST FOR CITIZENS AND SO, IF WE DESIGN THE PROJECT, WE WOULD KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS WE WANT TO BUILD A ONCE WE HAVE THAT.

SO FUNDING A DESIGN ALSO HELPS US, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THE COST IS WHEN WE ARE NEGOTIATING WITH THOSE PROVIDERS, WAS THE BEST THING. THEY WILL CHARGE US THIS MUCH MONEY BUT WE CAN DO THIS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING WHAT WOULD IT COST THE CITIZENS.

THE ONLY WAY TO ANALYZE SOME OF THAT IS REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL TAKE TO DIG WELLS UP AT THE LINES IN.

IF NOT NECESSARILY A WAISTED COST TO DO THE DESIGN WALL AND NEGOTIATOR HAVE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.

>> PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE CURRENTLY, I GOT ESTIMATES RECENTLY ON A STORM SYSTEM, AND I KNOW WE MAY NOT HAVE THE EXACT, BUT THE DESIGN OF A 16 INCH LINE, ANOTHER REALLY SMART PEOPLE THAT CAN LOOK AT THAT AND GO, YOU WANT ECZEMA WE KNOW WHAT THE CONSISTENCY OF THE SOIL IS, IF WE ARE HITTING ROCK AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE WILL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE. BE CAREFUL SPENDING MILLIONS TO DESIGN SOMETHING AS BACKUP FOR FREE DON'T GET AGREEMENT.

A YEAR AGO I WAS TELLING ISAAC TODAY, WE HAD THE EXACT SAME DISCUSSION ALMOST A YEAR AGO. AND IF YOU LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED IN THE CITY FOR A YEAR.

AND WE KEEP GETTING CLOSER TO THIS POINT WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT AND IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SAY WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, TO THE POINT OF MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, ARLEN BROOKE AND WE WERE IN THEIR SHOES SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE REGIONAL SOLUTIONS BECAUSE OUR LUNG GOT FIXED EASY BUT A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO WAS DOWN FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS AND WE DAMN NEAR RAN OUT OF WATER COMPLETELY.

AND SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS EXACTLY BUT I KNOW THAT IT SEEMS LIKE FOR ME, SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE, THE IDEA HAS ALWAYS BEEN, BUILD AN ENTIRE SYSTEM, DON'T WORK WITH PEOPLE AND WE KEEP PUSHING THINGS OFF AND IT'S NOT YOU GUYS, YOU WEREN'T HERE A YEAR OR TWO AGO BUT WE KEEP DOING THAT TO WHERE WE WOULD OWN IT, OWN IT, OWN IT AND WILL BE FORCED TO OWN IT JUST BECAUSE A YEAR AND 1/2 AGO HAD OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND WE NEVER FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM AND THEY'VE GONE THEIR OWN WAY SO IF SOMEONE CAN TELL ME WITH THE COST OF THE WATER IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE IT WAS $10 A THOUSAND GALLONS, WE JUST REDUCE THE WATER RATES BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD WE HAD A GREAT PLAN IN PLACE LAST FALL AND IT IS SO GREAT THAT WITH IMPACT FEES, WE CAN REDUCE RATES AND NOW, WHAT I FEEL HAPPEN IN SIX MONTHS, WE WILL BE PUTTING RATES UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY

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IT'S JUST CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE, OTHER THAN MEETING TO MEETING, THE

PROJECT OR BUDGET. >> THE RATE STUDY HAD THE PROJECT IN A BECAUSE DCS ALREADY HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO DO THIS AND WAS PLANNING FOR A LOT OF THAT AND SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG BUT WAS ALREADY FIGURED INTO THE RATE PLAN.

>> YOU SAY ALL THIS WITHOUT RATE INCREASES?

>> I DON'T KNOW ALL OF IT, SOME OF THE MEGA-SITE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT PART WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON.

AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THERE. WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT IN THE RATE STUDY BUT I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO GO TO OUR RATEPAYERS. BUT A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS I THINK WERE IN THAT PLAN.> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, COME BACK TO AGAIN ON THIS, TRY TO IDENTIFY THE PROJECT IN THE STUDY. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

TWO THINGS. DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION BUT ALSO, WHAT WAS IN THE PRIOR STUDY, AT LEAST AT A HIGH LEVEL, SOME OF THE COSTS ARE TO ACCOUNT FOR.

>> I DO GET CONFUSED BECAUSE LESTER I WAS LOOKING BACK.

WE DO LIKE $6.8 MILLION BEFORE DISTRIBUTION TO INCREASE PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN, I STARTED HEARING ALL OF THIS AND I'M GOING, WOULD THAT 6.8 MILLION GO? AND WHAT WAS THAT PRESSURE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE NEW PROJECTS DEALT WITH MORE PRESSURE AND DID WE NOT DO IT RIGHT? AND WE TOOK INFORMATION FROM DCS BUT DISTRUST OF THE INFORMATION SO MUCH THAT WE HIRED ANOTHER FIRM THAT CAME UP WITH DIFFERENT ANSWERS AND DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHATEVER INFORMATION IS, AT SOME POINT WE'LL HAVE TO BELIEVE IN IT AND WORK OUT A PATH BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT CHANGES, NOT MONTHLY BUT IT DOES CHANGE SIGNIFICANT LIKE WE ARE NOT TALKING TO ASR WELLS. THAT WAS A BIG DEBATE LAST YEAR. SUBSIDY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT WITH ANOTHER ABOVEGROUND WELL OR SOMETHING BUT SOMEHOW, IT WILL BE HELPFUL WHAT WE ARE REALLY APPROVED OR WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE RATE STUDY SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE PREPARED FOR LIKE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A BATH WITH CLEAN WATER, HERE'S WHAT IT WILL COST YOU. AS RIGHT NOW I SEE $100 MILLION

AND I THINK MY GOD. >> IF I MAY SAY SOMETHING.

I THINK A YEAR FROM NOW PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WATER.

I'VE BEEN UP HERE, TWO YEARS AND THIS IS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE. EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMES AND PRESENTS, IT'S WE NEED TO DO IT NOW, WE NEED TO DO IT NOW AND HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE THESE PLANS, A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THE PLANS.

NOT ONLY WITH DCS BUT NOW, AND WE HAVE THIS AND YET, HERE WE ARE STILL WANTING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE SOMEBODY THINKS THERE'S A BETTER WAY.

AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE RATES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, HOW THEY WANT RATES TO GO UP PLEASE DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME THERE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY TELL DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN, WE CAN SUPPLY YOU WITH WATER WASTEWATER SO SAYING WE WILL DO THE DEAL WITH YOU BUT NOT, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO PROVIDING YOU WATER WASTEWATER.

WHEN I HEAR THIS, I GET A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION BECAUSE WE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS, WE HAVE HEARD IT, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MINOR MANY. DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE? BSOLUTELY. DO I AGREE THAT WOULD RATHER US BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT, ACTUALLY.

DO I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD WORK WITH REGIONAL PARTNERS AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER? ABSOLUTELY BUT RIGHT NOW, WE BEHIND THE BARREL.

WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE MAKE THE DECISION AND DO SOMETHING, OR WE ARE LETTING EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THE TOWN DOWN. SO I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND AGAIN, KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, SAY GO DO THIS, GO DO THAT AND DISREGARD ALL THE WORK AND DEDICATION THAT IS COMMITTED TO MAKING THE PLAN. AND SAY IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, GO DO BETTER. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK EVERYONE HAS DONE ON THIS AND I JUST HAD TO GET THAT OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> NOT A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THE SYSTEM IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SOME OF THE I KNOW IS COVID, IT'S HARD TO GET EQUIPMENT AND PEOPLE AND PARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I MEAN, SOME OF THE PROJECTS TAKE SEVERAL YEARS AND SO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM THAT LONG AND

THEY'RE STILL NOT. >> RIGHT, AND SOMETIMES IT IS

COUNSEL FAULT AS WELL. >> LIKE I SAID, COVID ALSO

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>> I KNOW. >> WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT

WE HAVE NOW, NOT THEORETICAL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMPARISON THINK WILL BE USEFUL FOR US BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THE PLAN PUT IN PLACE A YEAR AGOPHA SAID AT THE END OF THIS PHASE WITH THE PROJECTS DONE THIS IS WHAT YOUR CAPACITY WILL BE, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR RATES AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

THAT'S WHAT THE COST OF WATER WILL BE.

JUST TO AT LEAST HAVE THE DATA OF, THESE ARE THE NEW PROJECTS WE HAVE IN THE TIMEFRAME, THIS IS WHAT WE DRAW FROM THE PLAN THIS IS WHAT WE ADDED AND MODIFIED IN THIS WITH CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM WILL BE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND SEND US THE CAPACITY SO THUS THE COST.

HOW DOES THAT, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IT WILL BE CHANGING THE RATES DRAMATICALLY OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL.

WE DROPPED ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PROJECTS IN THAT PLAN FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE AND REPLACE IT WITH SOME OTHER.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COST CHANGES.

>> IN THE SHORT TERM YES WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS.

WHICH ONES WERE IN THE RATE STUDY PLAN OR NOT.

WHICH ONES ARE NEW ONES. I DON'T KNOW THAT IN THE SHORT TIME WE CAN HAVE THAT FULL ANALYSIS AGAIN THE WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE THE RATE STUDY AGAIN.

WHAT IS IT SCHEDULED? SO THE NEXT YEAR.

>> BUT YOU CAN TELL US WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM WILL BE WHEN THE PROJECTS ARE DONE. I UNDERSTAND WE ARE GOING TO DO A RATE STUDY BECAUSE WE ARE IN IMMEDIATELY BUT -- THAT TELLS US A LOT RIGHT THEY ARE. WE CAN SEE WHAT THE OLD RATE STUDY AND HAVE AN IDEA, IF WE ARE IN FOR A SURPRISE OR NOT.

>> ALL THE OTHER AGREEMENTS WE HAVE WITH JONAH, TAYLOR, WHATEVER DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY, WITH THOSE ACTUALLY COST US? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HELP THESE LARGER NUMBERS BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SWALLOW IF WE REALIZE THAT NOT NECESSARILY COMPLETELY OFF OF TAYLOR AND JOHN ORDER BUT IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO SWALLOW IF WE SAY, WILL SHORTEN THOSE CONTRACTS WE DON'T NEED THEM AS MUCH OR YOU KNOW TAKING AS MUCH FROM THEM, SO THAT WILL LESSEN THAT BY MILLION SO WHEN WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU DON'T NEED TO FIND A LINE ITEM SO I

JUST WONDERED IF WE KNEW. >> WILL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE CERTAINLY CAN GIVE YOU THE RATES FOR ENTITY. WHAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.

>> CAN I JUST ASK THAT WE GET THE CITY COUNCIL GET THE JONAH MANVILLE AND TAYLOR CONTRACTS IN THE DROP BOXES?

>> JUST TAKE THE CONTRACT AND LOOK AT THEM SO WE HAVE THEM FOR REFERENCE. THAT WAY NO NEED TO DO AN ANALYSIS, WE CAN READ THE CONTRACT OURSELVES.

>> JUST ANOTHER POINT, AS KIND OF MY PERSONAL OPINION AND HEARING EVERYONE UP HERE, SOME PEOPLE APPEAR, NO AROUND THIS TIME LAST YEAR I TENDED TO DECIDE OR TO SIDE WITH THE MAYOR AND I'M STILL MOSTLY KIND OF WITH HIM LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL SOLUTION, HOW WE CAN GET THESE OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT AUSTIN DOES, EVERYONE RELIES INTIMATELY ON THE OTHER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF HUTTO IS AT THE POINT YET WHERE WE CAN HAVE A FULLY SUSTAINABLE SYSTEM.

SO I TEND TO SIDE WITH THE MAYOR ON THAT FACT.

HOWEVER, I DO HERE COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND NOW A YEAR LATER, I LIVE THE IDEA OF GOING FOR THESE AGREEMENTS AND THINGS THAT HE IS SUGGESTING BUT AGREEMENTS AREN'T SURE THINGS AND DOES TAKE MONTHS AND MONTHS. AND SO IF THE AGREEMENT ENDS UP FALLING SHORT WE CANNOT SEE TERMS, THEN THERE WE ARE WITH NO WATER AND NO DESIGN AND PROCESS.

I'M REALLY, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

IF YOU LOOK MAYBE WE CAN DO IT INTERMITTENT.

IS THAT THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE? I MEAN AGREEMENTS TYPICALLY BESIDES TOM, WHICH I KNOW THEY TAKE A LOT OF TIME, DON'T NECESSARILY COST US MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND EITHER WAY, THE DESIGN WOULD BE IN PROCESS.

IF THE AGREEMENT FALLS THROUGH THE DESIGN IS STILL GOING.

I THINK WE CAN ESSENTIALLY DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH STAFF.

OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NECESSARILY ONE OF THE OTHER BUT WE CAN KIND OF TRY BOTH INTENDED TO BE GONE FOR THE AGREEMENT AND SAYING, THIS IS WHERE THE NEED IS THIS IS WHERE YOUR NEED IS BUT ALSO, GO AHEAD AND PLAN FOR THE DESIGN BECAUSE THE DESIGN IS A SURE THING.

AGREEMENTS WOULD BE THE CHEAPER ESSENTIALLY MAYBE EASIER WAY TO GO BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE RED TAPE PEOPLE IN THE BUCKET AND IT JUST TAKES LONGER TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE AGREEMENTS.

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I JUST THINK THERE WILL BE A TRAVESTY.

>> I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY AGREEMENT WOULD BE THE CHEAPER ROUTE. IT MIGHT NOT BE.

>> MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JUST TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE SO THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE SAME LENS. PART OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HAS BEEN MENTIONED IS IMPROVE THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN UTILIZE MORE OF THE CAPACITY, THE SUPPLY THAT WE ARE READY HAVE CONTRACTED, ANOTHER PART IS TO IMMEDIATELY GET ADDITIONAL VOLUME OF WATER SO THAT WE ARE NOT SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF WHAT WE CAN CONSERVE AND WHAT WE ARE CONTRACTED TO.

WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

WHAT SOME OF WHAT YOU LOOKING AT HERE, IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM BUT JUST IN TERMS OF MAYBE 2025 OR SOMETHING, ANOTHER 16 INCH PIPE SOME OF THIS IS JUST TO GIVE US A FEW MORE MILLION GALLONS A DAY SO THAT WE CAN GET TO 2025.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COMMUNITY OUGHT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WILL GET WATER FROM FOR THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS. WHEN YOU TALK IN TERMS OF HUTTO LOOKING AT HAVING COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROL OF THEIR OWN SYSTEM, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AT ALL.

WE ARE READY ARE TAKING WATER FROM DIFFERENT PLACES DOWN.

AND YOU CAN, HEART OF TEXAS YES HUTTO OWES UP BUT WE ARE REALLY TAKING WATER FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES NOW THAT WILL LIKELY CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE. YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS FOR LONGER TERM WATER WITH MAJOR, SHORT AND LONGER TERM WATER LEADS WITH MAJOR COMPANIES AND WE CANNOT DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THIS SIGNED NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS THAT I TAKE SERIOUSLY SO WE CAN OPENLY DISCUSS THAT. BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARTICIPATING WITH LARGER VOLUME WATER SUPPLIERS ARE GOING ON AND WILL GO ON WE TAKE SOME ACTION ON THESE, THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO GO ON BECAUSE HUTTO IS MORE WATER IN THE FUTURE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER, AND KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN WE GOT THE LATEST MASTER PLANS AND HAD THOSE AGREED TO, -- THEY GOT ALL THE INFORMATION FROM DCS. SO THAT LOOK OF THE PROJECTS, LOOK AT THE MODELING THAT DCS DID, USE YOUR OWN MODELING FOR THE RESPECTIVE FIRMS TO EITHER VERIFY THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR MODIFIED. ALSO, REMEMBER THAT SOMEHOW, IN LATE 2021, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION OR LACK OF TRANSMISSION OF INFORMATION REGARDING THE VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WAS OCCURRING IN HUTTO.

AND SO, THAT LED IN EARLY 2022 FOR US DETERMINING THAT WE ARE NOT REAL SURE WHAT AND HOW WE CAN SERVE WHICH IS WHY WE GOT INTO THE MASTER PLAN PIECE. NEXT, REMEMBER THAT THE MASTER PLAN, THIS PORTION OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS NOT DUE TO AN ESSENCE, UNTIL OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.

AND IF WE'D WAITED THAT LONG, BEFORE WE PRESENTED YOU WITH ANYTHING AND THEN PRESENTED YOU WITH FULL FIVE YEAR OR 10 YEAR MASTER PLAN, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN SO FAR BEHIND THE CURVE IS A COMMUNITY THAT WE AREN'T SURE IF WE COULD PROVIDE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR EVEN NEXT YEAR FOR THE END OF NEXT YEAR. SO WHAT WE DID WAS TELL THE MASTER PLAN PEOPLE LOOK, WE KNOW YOU ARE DOING A WONDERFUL MASTER PLAN, VERIFYING, VALIDATING AND MODELING, THAT SORT OF THING BELIEVE CRITICAL NEEDS RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE IN, PULL THAT PIECE OUT, GIVE US EVERYTHING YOU GOT TO PULL THE PIECE OUT RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN TAKE THAT PART TO COUNSEL. SO IN THE DOCUMENTATION, IT IS 2 TO 3 YEARS NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS, NOT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THEY WILL COME BACK WITH THE LONGER-TERM NEEDS AND ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.

BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO PARTICULARLY ON THE UTILITY SIDE IS GETTIS PAST SOME POINT WHERE WE CAN FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE SHOULD BE BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. I RECOGNIZE OBVIOUS THAT A LOT OF THE WASTEWATER IS AT PLAN EXPANSION THOSE THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO, TO PLAN FOR AND DO SO THAT IS IN HERE AND AN EXCEPTION OF WHAT I JUST SAID.

I LOVE THE WASTEWATER SIDE IS TO GET THE SYSTEM UP TO STANDARD, THE VOLUMES WE NEED SO WE CAN DO THE NEXT FEW

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE COMMENT I MADE EARLIER.

I THINK EVEN IF WE DID EVERY SINGLE THING ON THIS LIST, I DON'T VIEW THAT IS US GOING AT IT ALONE.

BECAUSE IF ONE THIRD OF THE CITIZENS GET THERE WATER FROM JONAH AND ONE THIRD FROM PORTO AND ONE THIRD FROM MANVILLE.

WITH MAJORITY OF CITIZENS TO GET THEIR WATER FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND SO, MY THINKING AND FEELING IS, THE MORE WE CAN SOLIDIFY THIS PIECE HERE AND THE LESS WATER THIS SYSTEM HAS TO DRAW FROM MANVILLE AND JONAH, THE MORE STABLE THE SYSTEMS WILL BE TO SUPPORT THOSE OTHER CITIZENS. THUS JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHT.

>> AND AS YOU SAW FROM THE PRESS RELEASE, JONAH AND TAYLOR GET THE WATER FROM BRA. HUTTO IS NOT HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH BRA. AND SOME OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE LARGER WATER PROVIDERS. ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND, WE WANT TO DO THE BEST, MOST EFFICIENT WAY.

WE ARE NOT TELLING YOU HUTTO HAS GOT TO OWN THIS OR THAT, NOT AT ALL. WHAT WE ARE TELLING YOU THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF URGENCY AND CRITICAL COMPONENTS THAT WE NEED TO GET TO PLANNING IF IN THE MIDDLE OF PLANNING, WE WORK OUT A DEAL WITH SOMEBODY THAT WILL BUILD A HUMONGOUS PIPELINE TO SERVE WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WHICH WE ARE ONE OF THE SMALLER PLAYERS IN IT. AND WE CAN TAG ALONG TO THAT, WILL BECOMING RUNNING TALKING TO YOU AND GLADLY LOOKING AT THAT. WE DON'T HAVE RATES, AND I WAS COMING AT THE TELUS RATES RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY BUILDING LARGER PIPELINES.

THERE ARE ENTITIES LOOKING TO DO THAT, I THINK THEY ARE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THAT BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF SAYING HERE'S A DEAL THIS IS HOW MUCH WE WILL CHARGE YOU, THIS IS WHAT -- ALTHOUGH WE ARE ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION IN THE

SHORT AND MIDTERM. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL MOVE DOWN THE LIST.

THE NEXT PROJECT ON HERE, PROJECT NINE, IS REALLY A CONTINUATION. THIS IS NO SURPRISE BUT JUST SHOWING ON THE DETAILED BREAKOUT, A CONTINUATION IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. ABOUT CURRENT WORK GOING ON WITH THE MASTER PLAN. THAT IS REALLY WHAT THAT IS ABOUT. THE NEXT PROJECT, 10, IS IMPROVEMENTS TO PORTION OF THE MEGA SITE.

PRIMARILY, IT IS A NEW WATER LINE THAT WOULD CONNECT TO THE FRAME SWITCH SITE AND BASICALLY, COME DOWN 3349 AND WILL ULTIMATELY BE THE SPINE ROAD TO THE LARGER MEGA SITE.

THIS INITIAL PHASE 1 PICKS UP THE MAJORITY OF THE LINE WORK THAT WOULD CUT THROUGH PROJECT ACROPOLIS.

AND ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT TITAN HAS ACQUIRED.

AND THEN ALSO, A STRETCH ON THE WEST SIDE FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING CONTEMPLATED ON THAT WESTERN SIDE OF THE OVERALL MEGA SITE. THIS IS PRIMARILY, VARIOUS SIZES. 24, 20 TO 16 AS IT GOES EAST TO WEST ACROSS THE LARGER MEGA SITE.

IT IS STRICTLY TO SERVE THAT AREA AND TO BE THE PRIMARY WATER DISTRIBUTION LINE TO FEED THE OVERALL AREA.

AS FOLKS COME IN AND DEVELOP, IT IS OBVIOUSLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CONNECT BUT AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER ON SOME OF THAT AS WELL. AND SO WE'VE HAD INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAMS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXPEDITE THOSE PROJECTS AND MOVE THEM ALONG QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

IT COULD INCLUDE POTENTIALLY PARTNERING WITH DEVELOPERS FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? PROJECT 11 IS AT THE FAR END OF THE SOUTHERN END OF OUR SYSTEM ALONG 1660. THIS ONE IS A LINE THAT WOULD BASICALLY RUN LONG 1660. ULTIMATELY, THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT WE HAVE HERE ON THE LIST AS WELL, PROJECT 12.

A NEW ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. SOME OF THE EARLY WORK, THAT

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AND ALSO HELP SUPPORT THE GROWTH THAT HAS CONTINUED TO COMMAND ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE CITY SERVICE SYSTEM.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 13, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL WELLS ALL MOVE ON IF ANYONE HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT. 14 IS SOME ADDITIONAL SYSTEM INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND AROUND THE MEGA SITE AREA AND REALLY, THIS IS TAKING A LINE SOUTH FROM THAT 30 INCH LINE I TALKED ABOUT THE KIND OF RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH ALONG 132.

AND CONNECT ONTO 1660 TWO REALLY MAKE THAT.

THE RIGHT OF THE SYSTEM IS COUNTERCLOCKWISE.

IT COMES IN AND GOES AROUND TO THE SOUTHERN END, SO THIS REALLY PROVIDES BETTER INTERCONNECTIVITY, BETTER PRESSURE SERVICE ACROSS THE WHOLE SERVICE AREA SOUTHEAST.

THEN THE LAST PROJECT HERE ON THE LIST IS PHASE 2 OF THE MEGA SITE WATERLINES THAT IS 15 UP THERE REALLY, THE REMAINDER OF THE ANTICIPATED DISTRIBUTION LINES THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH THE MAIN TRANSPORTATION CORE DOORS ANTICIPATED TO BE THE MEGA SITE. IT WILL BASICALLY PROVIDE THE SPINE SYSTEM FOR WATER SERVICE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA.

QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT IS THE LAST PROJECT ON THE WATER SIDE. IF THERE ARE NONE, I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT GROUP, ANGELA, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE

WASTEWATER MAP. >> HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THAT. FOR THE IMMEDIATE NOW 2022.

IS THAT THEY ARE AND BUDGETED? ABOUT 3 MILLION.

2019. AND OF THAT, THE NEXT START IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THE 34. ARE YOU GOING TO BE PRIORITIZING JUST THE ONES? IS THAT WHAT YOU WILL PUT IN THE PROPOSED CAP BUDGET PLAN? [INAUDIBLE]

>> SO YOUR GOAL IS TO DO ALL OF THE NUMBER ONES IN THE BUDGET CYCLE. [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. ONE WAS NOT TRAGIC THIS YEAR IS ONE, TWO AND THREE IS THE ORDER.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DO ALL OF IT.

[INAUDIBLE] >> MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, ANOTHER LOOK THE RIGHT HAND CORNER AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE BIG NUMBERS AND YEAR-BY-YEAR BIG NUMBERS, BUT PLEASE, ALLOW US TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THE FOURTH, WILL HAVE YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND WILL BE ABLE TO GET INTO MORE SPECIFICS ON SOME FUNDING STRATEGIES.

WE MET WITH THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR TODAY, WE JUST WERE NOT ABLE TO PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER FOR THIS MEETING.

BUT I UNDERSTAND. DID THE SAME THING.

>> OKAY, LET'S JUMP INTO THIS NEXT LIST.

THE NEXT LIST, ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE AND JUST GLANCING AT THE MAP, IN ESSENCE, THE AREA KIND OF EASTER 1660 AND SOUTH OF 79 IS KIND OF HOW IT SHAKES OUT ON THE MAP AND REALLY, NO SURPRISE THERE.

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THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROJECTS ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE THAT ARE CRITICAL PROJECTS, KEY PROJECTS.

BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF HAVE RISEN TO THE TOP IN TERMS OF KIND OF BASIC SYSTEM CAPACITY WITH THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN SOME OF THE CORE COLLECTION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. WE WILL JUST KIND OF JUMP RIGHT IN. THE FIRST PROJECT ON THE LIST, THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN.

RIGHT NOW, BY -- THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO WRAPPING THE DESIGN AFTER THE NINE PERCENT RANGE WE ARE WORKING ON ACQUIRING EASEMENTS, WE HAVE THREE PARCELS THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE ALSO COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY ON MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT PERMITS IN HAND AND COORDINATED EFFORTS ON WHERE WE CROSSED THE SOUTHEAST LOOP PROJECT. WE KEEP YOU PERMITS UPDATED AND TRYING TO WRAP THIS PROJECT UP AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, AND GET THE PROJECT ONLY THIS PROJECT IS A CRITICAL PRODUCT FROM AN OVERALL SYSTEM STANDPOINT. THE OVERALL GOAL OF THE PROJECT, THE COMPONENT IS TO TAKE OUT OF COMMISSION, AND EXISTING GLENWOOD LIFT STATION AND ITS MAIN THAT TIES INTO THE -- THE LARGEST MOST SIGNIFICANT LIFT STATION AND ARTERY BASICALLY IN THE EXISTING WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM.

THAT IS A PROJECT THAT RUNS MORE OR LESS KIND OF ALONG BRUSHY CREEK ACROSS 1660 DOWN TO THE PLANT.

THIS GLENWOOD LIFT STATION PUMP SINCE THE AS WELL AS ANOTHER LIFT STATIONS IN THE AREA OF THE SMALLER ONES.

BUT WITH THIS PROJECT, WOULD TAKE THE LIFT STATION OFF-LINE BY CONSTRUCTING A LARGE INTERCEPTOR.

FROM THE LOCATION OF THE GLENWOOD LIFT STATION SITE.

SOUTH, FEBRUARY 16, 1960, ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF 1660 AND DOWN INTO THE TRACK FOR THE SOUTH TREATMENT PLAN IS.

AND ALLOW THAT, NUMBER ONE LIFT STATION COME OFF LUMBER TO ALLEVIATE THE MAIN THAT IS CARRYING A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN RIGHT NOW. ON THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. ONE IS A NEW LIFT STATION AT THE SOUTH PLANT.

WHERE THE GRAVITY LINE COMES DOWN AT THE PLANT, IT WOULD PICK UP AND PUT INTO THE TOP OF THE TREATMENT PLANT.

THERE IS ANOTHER LIFT STATION THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE CENTRAL PLANT. THE PURPOSE OF THAT LIFT STATION IS TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING FOREST LAND INTO, THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH FROM THE CENTRAL PLANT DOWN TO LYNNWOOD, THAT WAS ALREADY TAKEN OFF-LINE ON A PAST PROJECT AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT TO BALANCE FLOWS BETWEEN THE CENTRAL AND SOUTH PLANT PRIMARILY ON THAT PORTION.

>> THIS WILL FINALLY CONNECT THE TWO PLANTS?

>> LOOSELY. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DIRECT FLOW BUT IT ALLOWS SOME OF THE HANDLING TO MOVE DOWN TO THE SOUTH PLANT AND IT FREES UP SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY AT THE CENTRAL PLANT AND THE SOUTH PLANT TO OPTIMIZE THE SYSTEM BETTER. THIS AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS BEEN A DESIGN FOR A WHILE THIS IS A CRITICAL PROJECT TO GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE DESIGN IS FUNDED, THE CONSTRUCTION IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR SUPPORT ON AND WE ARE PUSHING TO GET THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THIS YEAR. QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE?

>> THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO USE A GRAVITY LINE.

WHENEVER THEY PRESENT TO BE KIND OF DISCUSSED GRAVITY WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO, WAS THAT THE BEST VERSION, WAS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE AND READIES THE GRAVITY LINES AND THIS IS ONE THAT IS PART OF THE DESIGN THEY ARE DESIGNING IT WITH GRAVITY.

>> YES. AND WHAT IT DOES, IT TAKES OUT OF COMMISSION, EXISTING LIFT STATION.

BUT MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT NOW, THE FLOOD ACROSS THE SOUTH PLANT IS PUMPED TO THE SOUTH PLANT.

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IT ALLOWS US BASICALLY, TO CARRY THE ADDITIONAL FLOWS THAT WE KNOW COMING OFF THROUGH THE INTERCEPTOR THAT FEEDS INTO -- IN A FREEZER CAPACITY. TO EXTEND THE LINE FOR THE

SYSTEM. >> IF WE DO NOTHING WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP MAINTAINING THE PUMPING WE ARE DOING THAT MAKE

IT A FORCED MAINE? >> FOR?

>> FOR THE PROJECT. IF WE DO NOTHING AND WE JUST SAY, KEEP IT RUNNING, KEEP WHATEVER THE PRESSURE IS ON IT, JUST KEEP IT GOING. IS IT JUST A MAINTENANCE ISSUE?

>> NO, IT'S A SYSTEM CAPACITY ISSUE.

IT IS A MAINTENANCE ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT THE LIVE STATION LOCATED PUMP STATION HAS A LIMITED LIFE FOR THE PUMPS OR WHATEVER. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT A FINITE CAPACITY IN THE AREA THAT FEEDS THE SOUTH PLANT AND A BIG CHUNK OF THAT IS WAS BEING PUSHED THROUGH THE FORCED MAINE SYSTEM. SO THIS PROJECT ALLEVIATES A LOT OF THAT FLOW THAT IS ENTERING INTO THE FORCED MAINE DOWNSTREAM OF THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION.

THAT FREES UP SOME CAPACITY THAT WE KNOW, DEVELOPMENT EITHER APPROVED UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT GIVES US, THE TOP END OF THE CURVE I GUESS WITH THE OPERATING POINT FOR THE LIFT STATION. IT GIVES US SOME CAPACITY.

>> I THINK IF I REMEMBER, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE WERE GIVEN THE GRAPH ON THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT WAS GOING,

IT WAS REDLINING AS FAR AS -- >> IS REALLY MORE TO THE TREATMENT CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM.

THIS IS REALLY A CONVEYANCE ISSUE, AND BY CONSTRUCTING THIS INTERCEPTOR THAT ALLOWS THE FLOWS GOING TO THE PLANT AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO EXPAND THE PLANT OR AS YOU SAID, OUR FLOWS ARE INCHING UP TOWARDS THAT LIMIT. WE'VE GOT TO EXPAND THE PLANT AND VERY SOON ON THE NEXT FEW ITEMS HERE.

BUT TO GET THE WATER TO THE PLANT, WE GOTTA HAVE THIS PROJECT. COME ON UP.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MY NAME IS -- I'M THE WASTEWATER GUY. THERE IS AN INTERESTING ELEMENT TO THIS PROJECT WHERE, SHOWING THE GLENWOOD INTERCEPTOR ON THE MAP HERE, THAT ACTUALLY DRAINS A WHOLE AREA TO THE NORTH OF IT. AND AT THE LIFT STATION, CURRENTLY PUMPS TO BACK UP NORTH TO THE CENTRAL PLANT OFF OF 79. THAT PLANT IS VERY SMALL, IT'S GOT A PERMANENT CAPACITY .99 MGD.

WE ARE REALLY FLIPPING THE SCRIPT ON THE SYSTEM AND DECOMMISSIONING THAT LIFT STATION AND ON THE GRAVITY LINE WILL TAKE IT DOWN TO THE SOUTH PLANT WHERE WE HAVE MUCH MORE AVAILABLE PERMIT CAPACITY TO EXPAND THE PLANT.

AND THEN, LIFT STATION, AT THE CENTRAL PLANT QUERIES THE SAME PIPELINE INSTEAD OF POPPING UP -- INSTEAD OF PUMPING UP NORTH TO THE CENTRAL PLANT WILL USE THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE AND STILL THE PUMP STATION THE OTHER SIDE AND PUMP SOUTH.

AND THEN WHEN THAT FLOW HITS WHERE THE LIFT STATION USED TO BE, NOW IT'S A GRAVITY LINE COLLECTS THE HIGH SOLID CONTENT LIQUIDS. AND THEN IT CAN VISIT DOWN TO THE SOUTH PLANT FOR FURTHER TREATMENT.

BASICALLY JUST RELIEVING THE CENTRAL PLANT AND FLIPPING IT AND SENDING US OUT BY GRAVITY SO YOUR ACHIEVING A FEW OBJECTIVES THERE USING ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND PUTTING FLOW OR YOU HAVE CAPACITY. DOES THAT HELP?

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE IS, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS ONE OUT TO BID THIS FALL.

WE REALLY COUNTER MORE IN RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION MODE THEN FINAL DESIGN WRAP UP. THE NEXT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST, THE NEXT FEW PROJECTS HERE ARE RELATED TO THE SOUTH PLANT. THE FIRST ONE ON HERE IS THE

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REALLY WHAT THIS IS, COUNCILWOMAN KINSEY WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND TRIGGERS ON DESIGN AND EXPANSION, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REEVALUATE AND REWRITE THE EXISTING PLANT AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO, WOULD ALLOW US TO BUMP UP OUR PERMITTED CAPACITY FROM 2 MILLION TO 2.3, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT IT BUYS US TIME.

BEFORE THAT FULL TRIGGER IS PULLED ON WHAT WE HAVE TO BE ACTIVELY UNDER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, TO STAY WITHIN THE PERMIT LIMITS. REALLY IT'S MORE ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS, FOR THE PLANT ITSELF EXPANSION WILL TAKE SOME TIME. THE FACILITY WORK WILL DO.

THIS ALLOWS US TO STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

AND IF A LOW COST, CHEAP WAY TO GET THERE.

WE ARE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING JUST BASICALLY GOING THROUGH TCP TO DO THE PERMIT AND SAY NO YOUR PERMITTED 2.3 INSTEAD OF TWO MGD. BECAUSE THE PERSON THROUGH THE SYSTEM BUT IT GIVES US ADDITIONAL PERMIT CAPACITY.

CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE IT QUICKLY?

>> BEST 45,000 SPENT. >> OKAY.

CAN YOU DO THAT TO THE NORTH PLANT?

[LAUGHTER] >> JUST GET IT TO ONE.

>> A COUPLE HUNDRED OR SOMETHING?

>> WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT. SO, TUGGING ON TO THAT, THE NEXT PROJECT, PROJECT THREE IS RELATED TO THE ULTRAVIOLET, THE DISINFECTION SYSTEM THAT IS IN PLACE AT THE SOUTH PLANT.

THE EXISTING SYSTEM AS YOU KNOW BRA OPERATES OUR PLANS.

THE EXISTING SYSTEM, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN. THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THESE IN OPERATION IN THE COUNTRY AND SO, PARTS ARE DIFFICULT WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IS A HIGH RATE OF FAILURE ON SOME OF THESE UNITS AND SO, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OVER THE LAST YEAR TO REPLACE THESE, KEEP THEM IN STOCK AND IT'S BECOMING AN ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT IF ENOUGH THOSE FAIL AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT WE CAN TREAT IS DIMINISHED SIGNIFICANTLY.

THIS IS A RISK OF POTENTIALLY, EXCEEDING ALL PERMIT LEVELS.

WITHOUT THE FULL DISINFECTION CAPABILITY, WE ARE AT RISK.

WE ARE AT A SPOT WHERE WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

WE LOOK AT OPTIONS HERE WHAT WE CAN DO TO UPGRADE THE SYSTEM.

TO KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE WITH TC Q AND AT THE SAME TIME ANOTHER DAY PLANT EXPANSION ON THE HORIZON SO, WE DON'T IMPROVE IN OUR WORK TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE CAN DO TO ALLEVIATE AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE. THE PROJECT ASSISTED HERE IS TO IMPLEMENT A NEW UV SYSTEM. THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN BE SET UP WITHOUT MODIFICATION TO EXISTING PLANT ON THE OFF-LINE TYPE OF THING.

CONSTRUCTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHEN THE PLANT IS EXPANDED WE ARE NOT HAVING TO COME BACK AND EVALUATE AND REDO THAT PIECE OF IT. THAT IS THE DISINFECTION MODEL FOR THE PLANT AND THE WAY IT OPERATES.

THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS BUILD SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TEAR UP IN A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE. THE CONCEPT DEVELOPED IS TO SET THAT UP KIND OF ON AND OFF-LINE BASIS.

THAT CAN BE EXPANDED AS A PLANT HAS EXPANDED.

WE ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING THAT IN TERMS OF EVALUATING THE TECHNOLOGY, DOING SOME FIELD VISITS TO TRY AND GET THE PROJECT MOVING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN SO WE CAN GET IN PLACE AND MITIGATE THE RISK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> WHEN DID WE START USING THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM?

DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN -- >> THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE WHEN THE PLANT WAS CONSTRUCTED AND IT IS NOT UNIQUE TYPE OF SYSTEM. THE LAMPS ARE IN THE CHANNEL AND THE WATER COMES THROUGH AND THE UV LIGHT DISINFECTION.

THE CHALLENGES OF THAT PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY, IT'S JUST NOT, IS NOT VERY HEARTY WITH TEMPERATURES AND EVERYTHING. THEY ARE HAVING A SIGNIFICANT

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>> I JUST WONDERED, PUTTING 1.5 MILLION ON THE HORIZON SOMETIME SOON, KIND OF SYSTEM IS NOT REALLY WORKING.

>> THIS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY THAT STILL UTILIZING ULTRAVIOLET, BUT IT'S A MUCH MORE ROBUST, ALMOST PLUG-AND-PLAY TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT CAN EASILY BE EXPANDED WHEN AS NEEDED WITHOUT WHOLESALE STRUCTURAL CHANGES.

>> NOT REPLACING IT JUST KIND OF UPGRADING TECHNOLOGY.

>> YES MA'AM. UPGRADING THE TECHNOLOGY AND

I'M SORRY? >> I HAVE AN IPHONE FIVE.

THAT'S WHAT -- >> SOMEWHAT.

I THINK THE POINT TO REMEMBER, IN THE PLANT EXPANSIONS NOLOGY WILL TEAR THE OLD WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AND DEMOLISH THAT AND BUILD A NEW PLANT. IT IS NOT A RENOVATION TYPE THING LIKE THAT. YOU WILL USE A LOT OF COMPONENTS OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW AND EXPAND, THE WAY THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS REALLY WONDERFUL GET A CHANCE TO GO OUT ON A TOUR BACK WHEN IT WAS COOLER --

>> WILL PASS ON THE TOUR. >> ANYHOW WE GOT A CHANCE TO TOUR AND THE WAY THEY WILL BILL THIS IS SO THAT IT CAN BE UTILIZED EVEN WITH PLAN EXPANSION AND EXPANDED UPON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE TREATMENT PROCESS.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK IS UV SYSTEM NOT USED IN THE CENTRAL

PLANT? >> IS A DIFFERENT TYPE.

DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY. >> IS THE UPGRADED VERSION, IS THAT LESS DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN AND MORE WIDELY USED?

>> DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT?

>> SO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SWITCHING FROM WAS CALLED THE -- IT'S DISINFECTION IS TAUGHT IS GENERATED AND SO, CURRENT SYSTEM IS A MICROSYSTEM VESSEL IN THE VARIOUS SYSTEM ISSUES WITH. AND IS KIND BECOMING OBSOLETE IN THE INDUSTRY AND ACTUALLY THE CITY DOWN TO BE ONE OF THE LAST TWO SYSTEMS INTERACTIVE IN THE UNITED STATES.

BECOMING A LOT OF A BIG PROBLEM TO DISCUSS SERVICE TECHNICIAN PARTS, AND SO WE SWITCHING TECHNOLOGY MORE ON THE UPSWING, IT'S CALLED A CLOSED VESSEL REACTIVE SYSTEM.

ESSENTIALLY A CLOSED PIPE AND ALL OF THE UV EMITTER TUBES ON THE INTERIOR OF THIS PIPE AND WATER FLOWS THROUGH AND AROUND AND THROUGH THESE BULBS OF LIGHT THAT ATTACK ALL THE NASTY STUFF IN THE WATER AND CLEAN UP IN THE NICE THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS IN A CLOSED SYSTEM IN A PIPE, RATHER THAN OPEN CHANNELS, IT IS SUPER EASY MODULAR SUPER EASY TO EXPAND, YOU CAN JUST LIKE AT A PARALLEL PIPE OR AT A COUPLE OF WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO. TO SERVICE THEM THE OPERATORS CAN JUST OPEN THE OUTSIDE OF THE REACTOR AND PULL THE BULB OUT, CLEAN IT OFF, STICK IT BACK IN AND THEY'RE OFF TO THE RACES. IT IS A MUCH MORE ROBUST SYSTEM

AND IT'S SUPER EASY TO EXPAND. >> FROM THE OUTSIDE AND MOVING

TO COOKING FROM THE INSIDE OUT. >> SORT OF.

>> HOW DOES THE COST ON THIS COMPARE TO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT -- IS DOING WHERE THEY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY

WHEN THEY FILTER? >> THIS IS A DISINFECTION TECHNOLOGY NOT FILTRATION. YOU STILL NEED A DISINFECTION STEP AFTER FILTRATION TO MEET THE TC Q REQUIREMENTS BEFORE IT HITS THE BODY A LOT OF SYSTEMS ARE PAIRED WITH EITHER A SYSTEM LIKE WE HAVE A CENTRAL OR UV SYSTEM TO DISINFECT THE WATER.

>> I SENT YOU A MEMO THAT WAS A COMMUNICATION -- I'M SORRY

NEVERMIND. >> ALONG THOSE LINES, IS THERE EVALUATING FACILITY AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THEM AT THE CENTRAL PLANT AND PROVIDE MORE OF A ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BY UTILIZING SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY.

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BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, FILTRATION VERSUS DISINFECTION. YOU STILL HAVE TO DISINFECT, EVEN IF YOU FILTER. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, CENTRAL

PLANT FOR EXAMPLE. >> IS NOT QUICK AND FILTER TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS THERE IS NO BACTERIA IN IT.

>> NOT THAT PARTICULAR TYPE, NO.

[INAUDIBLE] >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DISINFECTION? OKAY, I WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. AND REALLY, SO W-4, THE FIRST STEP IN THE SOUTH PLANT EXPANSION.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE BREAKDOWN KIND OF THE COST BY YEAR AND SOME THINGS WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS AS ANGIE MENTIONED EARLIER, IDENTIFY THE AREAS WE NEED TO MOVE OUT ON INITIALLY AND THIS IS WHERE WE FEEL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE OUT ON THE DESIGN, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN PORTION OF THE PLANT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THE WHOLE DESIGN PROCESS AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS ARE LENGTHY AND SO, WE WANT TO TRY AND ACCELERATE THAT IS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT MORE THAN THAT 30 PERCENT DESIGN PERIMETER DESIGN PHASE IS VERY CRITICAL ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT KIND OF FURTHER THE SCOPE AND REFINE WAS THERE BUT REALLY, GET A BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT THE COSTS ARE, SOME CONSTRAINTS, THAT OUT SOME IDEAS IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGIES, WHAT MAKES SENSE, WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND TRY TO REFUND THE PROJECT SO THAT WE HIT THE DESIGN FINAL DESIGN, IT'S MORE OF A, WE HAD TO GET FROM THIS POINT TO THE END WHERE WE ARE GOING VERSUS REFINING A COUPLE OF TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS OR FINE-TUNING THINGS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

AND REALLY, THAT'S THE CASE ON EVERY PROJECT ENGINEERING PROJECT, PRELIMINARY PHASE IS CRITICAL IN REFINING THE SCOPE, REFINING THE PROCESS AND ON THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DOLLARS INVOLVED THIS IS A KEY PRODUCT THAT WE REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE OUT ON SO THIS IS, MOST EVERY OTHER PROJECT ON THE LIST INCLUDES SOME CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS THIS DOES IT'S A DESIGN NUMBER SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE BIG ITEM IN FOR DESIGN WE BROKE IT UP INTO A COUPLE OF PIECES.

>> WHO DOES THE DESIGN WORK? >> I'M SORRY.

>> WHAT COMPANY DOES THE DESIGN WORK?

>> WE HAVE NOT -- >> THIS ONE, I'LL JUMP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST BUT PROJECT NUMBER FIVE, IS A FINAL DESIGN FOR THAT SO YOU CAN TELL ON THE BREAKDOWN OF THE DOLLARS, THE TIMELINE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY -- WERE LOOKING TO ACCELERATE THE DESIGN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

WE NEED TO GET THE PLANT UP AND RUNNING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

SO, WE ARE PUSHING TO HAVE AN ACCELERATED SCHEDULE FOR BOTH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DESIGN. THAT TAKES CARE OF PROJECT FOUR AND FIVE. IN TERMS OF DESIGN.

>> THAT WILL COVER THE ADDITIONAL 70 PERCENT.

>> YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> YOU'RE LOOKING A FINAL DESIGN DONE FUNDED BY FISCAL YEAR 2023, WHEN WITH THE DESIGN BE COMPLETE?

>> I THINK 12 MONTH DESIGN. >> PROBABLY SOMETIME IN 24? WHEN WOULD IT BE DONE? WHEN WE HAVE THE DESIGNS COMPLETE -- BUT PAY FOR IT AND 23.

>> IT IS A YEAR TIMEFRAME, ROUGHLY.

AND CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME OF 18 OR 24 MONTHS.

WE ARE TALKING YOU KNOW, 30 TO 36 MONTHS TO HAVE THAT FULLY

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AND AGAIN, THESE ARE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS.

AS IAN AND HIS TEAM COMPLETELY MASTER PLAN, THERE ALSO DO FACILITIES AS WELL SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE REFINED SOME DURING THE PRIMARY DESIGN PHASE.

AND WE CAN START TO DIAL IN TIGHTER ON THOSE DOLLARS BUT THOSE PROJECTS THAT I JUST SAID ARE ALL RELATED.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW LONG WE ANTICIPATE TO USE 2.3 TO 6 BECAUSE I'D HATE TO BE, I WOULD HATE TO BE SUPER RICH AND UTILITY FUND POOR BECAUSE WE HAVE MASSIVE QUANTITIES OR AVAILABLE CAPACITY BUT THEN WE HAVE A SLOWDOWN OR BECAUSE WE ARE PLANNING ON GROWTH 15 YEARS AWAY SO BUILD IT TODAY AND PART OF ME IS GOING, HOW DOES IT LOOK FINANCIALLY? IS IT SMARTER TO GO TO 4 MILLION TODAY AND EIGHT OR NINE YEARS, KICKOFF ANOTHER? OR SMART TO JUST DO IT TODAY AND PAY AN ELEVATED COST FOR THE NEXT, BECAUSE WE DID THAT, WITH THE WATER WE SAID THE GROWTH IS COMING, EVERYONE FREAKED OUT AND SO WE NEED WATER, WE CAN HAVE TOO MUCH SO WE BOUGHT A SYSTEM AND FOR 10 YEARS WE KIND OF CHOKED ON THE HIGH COST OF THAT AND WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING AFFORDABLE.

I DO HAVE A LITTLE FEAR THAT IF WE BUILD TOO MUCH WASTEWATER CAPACITY ONCE, DO WE STRUGGLE TO AFFORD FOR THE NEXT 10 OR 15 YEARS WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE GROWTH TO CATCH UP, AND THEN YOU KNOW 20/40, WHEN WE MOVED US WHEN IT BECOMES PORTABLE.

>> OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER TO BUILD IT TODAY.

-- SOME OF THE SYSTEMS, TO REBUILD THE HOUSE OF OUR DREAMS TODAY, OR CONTINUE TO GROW HYPOTHETICALLY, LIKE THE ECONOMY JUST STOPPED AND HASN'T STOPPED AND CHECKED SLOWDOWN WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF CAPACITY. I KNOW GEORGETOWN IS DOING THE SAME THING. HAVE MASSIVE CAPACITY THING THEY'RE PUTTING IN. PFLUGERVILLE HAS MASSIVE CAPACITY. EVERYONE IS RAMPING UP.

>> PART OF WHAT IS DRIVING THIS, AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN LOOKING AT PROJECTIONS, AND TIMINGS, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE TIMING OF THE PLANT BY THE TIME WE DESIGN AND BUILD IT YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GO TO THE NEXT PHASE. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUSH THE SIX MGD, MAINLY FOR TIME AND LOOKING AT WHAT IS ALREADY COMING RIGHT NOW AND APPROVED AND WHAT WE SEE ON THE HORIZON, FROM A TIMEFRAME TO DESIGN PERMIT AND BUILD THE PROJECT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE 35, CONTINUALLY WORKING ON THE ROAD VERSUS CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE COST-BENEFIT TO GO OUT TO SIX VERSUS THE FOUR. I THINK THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURAL EFFICIENCIES, SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT CAN BE EXPANDED AND I THINK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT THEY CAN LOOK AT THE DESIGN TO SEE IF THERE IS SOME MODULAR PORTIONS THAT COULD BE PHASED IF NEEDED TO AND TRY TO MITIGATE SOME THINGS

WE TALKED ABOUT. >> MR. MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD.

IAN, IF YOU COULD ALL DRAFT A MEMO THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THE RATIONALE TO GO FROM 2.3 TO 6 MILLION, AND WHY THAT IS MORE ADVISABLE THAN 4 MILLION AND YOU CAN HAVE THE DOCUMENT IN YOUR HAND AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

>> AND IF 6-120 MILLION, 4 MILLION IS LIKE 80 MILLION, IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD IF IT'S LIKE HALF-PRICE AND YOU SAY IT WILL COST AN EXTRA $10 MILLION, THEN I LOOK AT IT AND GO DESIGN 4 MILLION, START AT CONSTRUCTION AND THEN WE GET DONE AND OPEN UP MAKE AN ENGINEERING FIRM HAPPY BECAUSE WE WILL AWARD THEM ANOTHER CONTRACT AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T KNOW THE INPUTS.

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IF YOU SAVE MONEY ON EXPONENTIALLY GETS CHEAPER IS IT LIKE LAYING THE LINE THE GROUND, PENNIES DIFFERENT OR COMPLETELY SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I DON'T KNOW.

>> WE CAN GET YOU SOME INFORMATION.

>> I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAKING SURE IT'S OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER TO BUY THE BEER QUANDARY BUT IF WE ARE BITING OFF MORE WE CAN INCREMENTED BACK A LITTLE BIT.

>> I THINK WE BEEN PLAYING CATCH UP LONG ENOUGH.

WE ALREADY KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE BEHIND WELL BUILT THAT THING AND I JUST HATE THE THOUGHT OF STEPPING OVER DOLLARS TO PICK UP A DIME. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE NUMBERS TOO BUT I PREDICT THAT BUILDING THE FOUR MGD EXPANSION VERSUS SIX MGD EXPANSION IS NOT GOING TO SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE NUMBERS BUT MY GUESS IS YOU WON'T SAVE,

BUT WE WILL SEE. >> FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT SAVING THE MONEY IT'S MORE HOW FAST WE ACTUALLY SPEND IT BITING OFF MORE THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY CHEW, IT'S ALWAYS CHEAPER TO BUY AT COSTCO BUT WE CAN AFFORD THAT BIG BUNDLE OF SOAP TO BE MY GO TO WALMART PAY A LITTLE MORE BUT I CAN AFFORD EIGHT DOLLARS

VERSUS 16. >> IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, LET US COME BACK TO YOU WITH FINANCING.

I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I AM A BUDGET TO MYSELF.

LET US COME BACK WITH YOU ON THE ISSUE OF WHY A FOUR MGD VERSUS A SIX MGD, LET US SHARE WITH YOU THE RATIONALE OF WHAT THE NEED IS AND WHAT SOME OF THE GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS ARE AND GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS TO TALK ABOUT THAT RATIONALE.

AND WE WILL COME BACK TO TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AFFORDABILITY

AND FINANCING. >> DATA FOR ME IS EVERYTHING.

WITHOUT KNOWING THAT, I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 100 OTAY 25 MILLION OR SO AND UTILITY DEBT. LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS TRIPLING THAT TO 350 MILLION IN DEBT. BEFORE WE TRIPLE THE DEBT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND TELL PEOPLE, THIS IS ACTUALLY GOOD MOVE. IF WE SAY WE VOTED FOR THIS BECAUSE NO OFFENSE BUT, THE STAFF MEMBER SAID IT WAS A GREAT DEAL AND REGENCY BACKUP ON IT.

HALF $1 MILLION NOT A BIG DEAL BUT 100 OR 200 MILLION, I KNOW EVERYBODY GETS FRUSTRATED WITH HER BECAUSE I GET TIED ON THINGS. WHAT KIND OF PAPER USING AND IS THAT THE BEST, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A MAJOR COST-OF-LIVING ISSUE AND IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO JUST DESIGN AND GO BUT THEN I ALSO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRAINED WITH HERE'S YOUR PARAMETERS, THE FIX ISSUE THAT WE GET INNOVATIVE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WE NEVER THOUGHT OF BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO SPEND 200 MILLION THINK MAYBE CAN ONLY HAVE 75 FIX ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH $80 MILLION, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE VERSUS GO DESIGN STUFF AND WILL PAY FOR IT.

JUST AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE DATA IT HELPS ME REST AT NIGHT THAT WE DID OUR BEST. NOT SAYING THAT --

>> UNDERSTAND. >> IT HELPS GIVE THE CITIZEN CONFIDENCE THAT WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REPRESENTING THEM AND WE ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

CHRIS PART OF YOUR OVERSIGHT RESPONSIBILITY, OR UNDERSTOOD.

>> IT IS LIKE WE TALKED TODAY ABOUT THE WATER SYSTEM.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING, SOMEONE SAID THIS IS A GREAT DEAL AND THEY SAID, IT WAS ON A CONSENT AGENDA SO THEN WE CAME BACK LATER AND SAID, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.

TOOK COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO THE

PEOPLE WITH. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> DID WE GO OVER PROJECT NINE?

>> I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT.

>> SORRY. >> JUMPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE. BUT YES WILL GO DOWN THE LIST I WILL JUMP BACK UP THE LIST OF PROJECTS SEVEN.

RICHES, THE NEXT THREE SEVEN, EIGHT AND NINE ARE RELATED TO THE MEGA SITE. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WOULD INVOLVE A GRAVITY INTERCEPTOR ALONG COUNTY ROAD 132, WILL PICK UP ON THE SOUTH WEST SIDE OF THE MEGA SITE, PICK UP FLOWS FOR THE AREA AND DIRECTED SOUTH TOWARDS EXISTING INTERCEPT ON

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I'M GOING TO KIND OF LUMP ALL OF THESE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED. SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE IN ESSENCE, EIGHT IS AN EXPANSION OR BASICALLY, A PARALLEL LINE TO EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF THE EXISTING COTTONWOOD CREEK INTERCEPTOR TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL FLOWS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

THE INTERSECTION WAS SIZED TO PICK UP SOME AREAS UP THERE AND SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE MEGA SITE.

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO TAKE THE FLOW THAT DIRECTION AND SOUTH OF THE PLANT. VERSUS TRYING TO GO DOWN FUTURE SOUTHEAST LOOP TO THE PLANT, DIRECT THE FLOWS, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT EXISTING INTERCEPTOR ON THE LOWER END OF THE COTTONWOOD CREEK BASIN NEEDS TO BE UP SIZED.

AS FOR THE INITIAL FLOWS ON SOME AREAS WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE INITIAL PHASES THAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING, THIS PROJECT EIGHT IS ONE THAT IS NOT IMMEDIATE DAY ONE BUT NEEDS TO BE ONLINE FAIRLY SOON. PROJECT SEVEN IS CRITICAL, THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING LINE THERE NOW.

WE NEED THAT LINE TO PICK UP THE SERVICE FROM THE MEGA SITE AREA, PROJECT THEY WOULD PROVIDE PHASE 2 OF THE PROJECT FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO PICK UP DEVELOPMENT AS IT OCCURS ON THE MEGA SITE. PROJECT NINE IS A SEGMENT OF GRAVITY LINE THAT WOULD RUN SOUTH ALONG FM 3349 TO A NEW LIFT STATION THEY WOULD PICK UP THE FLOW AND PUMP IT BACK TO THE EXISTING OR THE NEW GRAVITY LINE THAT WOULD BE ALONG COUNTY ROAD 132. WE ARE ANTICIPATING SIZING THOSE FACILITIES TO SERVE THE LARGER AREA.

AND SERVE KIND OF BE EXPANDABLE TO SERVE THE ULTIMATE SERVICE AREA WHICH WOULD PICK UP AREAS NORTH OF 79 AS WELL.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND IDENTIFIED ULTIMATE SIZING AND SOME STAGES THERE, THOSE FACILITIES, THE LIFT STATION CAN BE SIZED TO BE PHASED IN. WELL THAT IS ADDITIONAL PUMPS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. THIS PROJECT COST ASSUMES THAT THERE IS AN INITIAL PHASE BUT THE FACILITIES ARE BUILT SUCH THAT ADDITIONAL PUMPS CAN BE ADDED AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO OCCUR. I WENT THROUGH A LOT THERE REAL QUICK BUT MAKE SURE THE QUESTIONS STOP.

>> IS A REASON WHY 08 IS NOT A GRAVITY LINE?

>> EIGHT IS A GRAVITY LINE. SEVEN AND EIGHT BASICALLY COMING FROM WHERE -- COME TOGETHER.

>> IS PORTION OF SEVEN GRAVITY LINE AS WELL?

>> SEVEN AND EIGHT ARE GRAVITY LINES.

>> THE ENTIRE? >> YES ALL OF SEVEN AND ALL OF

EIGHT. >> BUT ONLY HALF OF NINE?

>> CORRECT. >> THE ONLY PART OF GRAVITY AND ON IS BASICALLY FROM THE SOUTHERN END OF THE EDC PROPERTY, SOUTH TO THE PROPOSED WASTEWATER PLANT.

IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OF THE MEGA SITE WOULD BE SERVED BY GRAVITY SEWER LINE. IT WOULD DRAIN TO THE NEW PUMP STATION THEN PUMP IT BACK INTO THE GRAVITY LINE.

>> AND THAT ALLEVIATES US NEEDING MORE LIFT STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

>> YES WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S THERE.

THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENERALLY DRAINS KIND OF SOUTHEAST, AND SO WE TRIED TO TAKE THINGS SOUTH AND A LITTLE SOUTHWEST. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUMP STATION IN THERE SOMEWHERE. TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER

AND SIZE. >> QUESTIONS ON THOSE THREE?

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TALKING ABOUT THE GLENWOOD PROJECT.

IT WOULD ELIMINATE AS A PROJECT GOES WEST, THE PROJECT START TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT AND IT GOES BACK WEST.

THIS PROJECT LISTED HERE IS, EVEN THOUGH IDENTIFIED HIS FACE FOR THE FIRST SEGMENT THE MOST DOWNSTREAM SEGMENT IF YOU WILL OF THE PROJECT. IT INCLUDES A LARGE 42 INCH WASTEWATER LINE, A NEW PUMP STATION WITHIN FEET IN THE WASTEWATER PLANT, THIS IS A COST PARTICIPATION PROJECT THAT IS BASED ON THIS PROJECT IS GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN, THE FINAL DESIGN STAGE CITY STAFF AND CONSULTANTS HAVE BEEN REVIEWING THE PROJECTS, AND WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INSPECTION SIDE AND ONCE THOSE PROJECTS ARE CONSTRUCTED THE CITY WOULD OWN AND MAINTAIN NOT FACILITY BUT THIS IS THE FIRST SEGMENT OF A KEY FIGURE LONG-TERM PRODUCT THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT AND THIS WILL BE IDENTIFIED MORE IN THE MASTER PLAN EFFORT THERE IS PERIMETER DESIGN THAT'S BEEN DONE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ON THAT ROUTE, CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THAT PROJECT AS ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENTS COME ONLINE AND LOOK TO CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS TO EXTEND THE PROJECT BUT THIS SUMMER HERE'S A PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY COMMITTED TO.

THIS IS A COST PARTICIPATION ITEM.

I WILL NOTE THAT, AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO FUND THOSE FROM IMPACT FEES AND SOME OTHER CREDITS VERSUS WRITING A FULL CHECK.

THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.

WE CAN HAVE MORE DETAIL WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU.

WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE RADAR BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE, CRITICAL FOR THE PROJECT AND ONE THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED WITH SOME DEVELOPMENT TEAMS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THAT FURTHER TO GET THE LINE IN PLACE.

>> OF PROJECTS, THERE IS A MUD DOWN THE AREA OF BRUSHY CREEK.

>> THERE ARE TWO DEVELOPMENTS BASICALLY DRIVING THE PROJECT AND AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH THE CITY.

RELATED TO THE FUNDING AND REIMBURSEMENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THESE BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT? THE LIST IN FRONT OF YOU KNOW THE SCREEN IS A COMPILATION OF TRANSPORTATION AND SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE VARYING IN SIZE THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY COUNSEL, ONGOING PROJECTS OR OTHER PROJECTS IDENTIFIED AS KEY MOBILITY PROJECTS IN HUTTO. IF I COULD, WE GO DOWN THE LIST. THE FIRST THREE PROJECTS I THINK YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FM 1660, THE PROJECTS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN AND PROVIDING A NUMBER OF UPDATES ON THAT.

I JUMPED OTHER PROJECTS UNLESS ANYONE HAS A QUESTION THE DESIGN IS FUNDED, SHOWN ON THE WORKSHEET IS CONSTRUCTION

DOLLARS. >> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.

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THIS FALL, RIGHT? >> YES.

RIGHT NOW IT IS RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION.

WE STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF PARCELS WE ARE TRYING TO FINALIZE AND/OR THE EASEMENTS. THUS GOING TO DRIVE THE SCHEDULE IF WE CAN WRAP THIS UP QUICKLY TO STAY ON TRACK ALL

BIDDING FOR THE PROJECT. >> NORTH HAS --

>> I'M SURPRISED YOU'RE STILL RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THAT.

WHAT IS THIS, THE FOURTH BUDGET? WE'VE BEEN TALKING RIGHT-OF-WAY OVER THERE FOR FOUR YEARS IN A ROW AND SOME OF THE COUNCIL CAN HELP ME MAKE A PHONE CALL IF WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING A HOLD OF SOMEONE.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU ALL OUT BECAUSE I'M AFRAID, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IN APRIL.

>> AM HAPPY TO SHARE THE DETAILS OF THOSE WITH YOU.

>> WASN'T PART OF IT THAT WE FOUND A WATERLINE WHERE WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS AND SOME OTHER THINGS?

>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY ON THAT PROJECT.

SOME UTILITY ITEMS. ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED BUT YES. THE NORTH PROJECT IS SET TO BID IN OCTOBER. I HAVE A CALL WITH TXDOT.

I THINK IT WILL BE OCTOBER. AND REALLY, THAT'S JUST FITTING INTO THEIR BIDDING CYCLE. THE SOUTH PROJECT REALLY IS THE SCHEDULE THERE IS DRIVEN BY THE RAILROAD AND THE AGREEMENT WITH THE RAILROAD AND TXDOT. WE HAVE ONE PARCEL ON THAT PROJECT AND WE ARE WAITING FOLLOW APPROVAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT AND WE CAN START NEGOTIATION WITH THE LANDOWNER. THE SCHEDULE IS OUT.

2024 IS THE SCHEDULE TO GET THAT PROJECT.

AND IS BEING DRIVEN AGAIN, WITH -- WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

>> WILL PROJECT YOU SAID WE CAN GUARANTEE TO HAVE ASPHALT LAND CONSTRUCTION IN TWO OR THREE MONTHS I LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL SOMEONE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE AGAIN WE ARE ALL NEW BUT THOSE OF THE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS ON THE PROJECTS, PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE A LANE STRIPING OR CURB GET PUT IN, SOMETHING JUST TO KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING.

>> THIS IS MORE FOR ANGIE. WHAT HAVE BEEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YOU HAVE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT MAYBE JUST SOME NUMBERS ON WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT TOWARDS SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BEEN SNOWBALLING.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT IT FEELS, WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND SO I GUESS, WHAT IS BEEN INVESTED OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS.

TO GET US TO THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE NOW, IT IS --

>> WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. >> THAT WILL BE GREAT.

JUST TO GIVE US PERSPECTIVE OR MYSELF PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT HAS

BEEN ALLOCATED AND INVESTED. >> I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

>> OKAY. >> DID THEY EVER COME THROUGH WITH THE -- SOME FEES FOR THE RAILROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT

THAT WE WERE ABLE TO -- >> THERE WERE SOME FEDERAL

DOLLARS WE GOT. >> TALKING ABOUT THE GRANT?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

DID THAT EVER PAN OUT?>> YES, AND AT THE GATE IS 1.4 MILLION OR A LITTLE OVER THAT. TXDOT AND FEDERAL REAL AUTHORITY TO FINALIZE THE AGREEMENT BUT THERE HAS BEEN AN INITIAL AGREEMENT TO AGREE. THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE FINAL ACTUAL AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT FOR THE 1660 IN A SECTION PROJECT. WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, IS THAT IT IS HEADED TOWARDS A RESOLUTION. WE WILL SEE WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH TXDOT AND THE RAILROAD ON DESIGN REVIEWS OF THE PLANS.

AND CONTINUING TO PUSH THAT FORWARD.

FRANKLY, THE REVIEW TIMES FOR THE RAILROAD AND GETTING AGREEMENT IN PLACE IS DRIVING THE SCHEDULE.

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>> IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGETARY NUMBERS AS RECEIVING THAT 1.4 MILLION? OR IS THAT NOT REFLECTED?

>> THESE COSTS ARE STRAIGHT. THEY DON'T SHOW THAT.

AND YOU WOULD SHOW THAT ON HER BALANCE SHEET.

>> IT'S NOT GUARANTEED FUNDING BUT.

>> THE 1.4 HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED.

THAT IS THE DOLLARS. >> HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT, GET APPROVED, THE AGREEMENT TO BE APPROVED BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY

-- >> 2024.

>> OKAY. NEXT PROJECT, WHEN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF TIMES AS WELL.

THIS PROJECT, LIVE OAK STREET, THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO YOU, WE WERE -- THE BID, THE WAY THE PROJECT WAS SET UP, WAS GOING TO OVERLAY CERTAIN DEPTH THAT FRANKLY THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH ASPHALT OUT THERE. AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE, BASICALLY GOING TO DO FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION ON THE ROAD. WE ARE STILL ATTEMPTING TO GET -- TO REPLACE THE OVERLYING WEST OF 6060.

DON'T HAVE A FIRM DATE YET ON THAT BUT THEY COMMITTED TO DO THAT. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. AND REALLY, THE COST OF ASPHALT HAS JUST GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. AND SO, I TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT THE BUDGET TO LAY OUT WHAT WE THINK IT WILL COST.

BUT, THIS IS ONE THAT WE WANT TO PUSH FORWARD AND GET BUILT.

THE WAY IT WAS BID AND WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS FEASIBLE AND FRANKLY, THE WITH THE AMOUNT OF BASE REPAIR AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO OCCUR OUT THERE, WE NEED TO JUST DO IT RIGHT AND

BUILD THE STREET. >> WE AUTHORIZED AND TRY TO THINK 300 GRAND FOR THE OVERLAY FOR THIS YEAR.

WOULD THAT MONEY BE ABLE TO BE PUT FORWARD INTO NEXT?

>> YES, WE WILL BE ROLLING THAT FORWARD TO HELP WITH THE PROJECT. AND THEN WE ARE BUDGETING FUNDS. I HAVE BUDGET FUNDS INTO THE NEXT, 23. ASSUMING IT STAYS AROUND -- WE WOULD BE HERE ANOTHER YEAR WAITING FOR -- WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. ONE MORE THING.

>> ANOTHER ONE SOME PEOPLE IN LIVE OAK ARE LOSING THEIR MIND.

I FEEL LIKE THREE YEARS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MOVING GAS LINES

AND I'M LIKE -- >> AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET.

>> WE HAVE LIKE A LOBBY GROUP OR SOMETHING.

WE CAN'T LEVERAGE THAT LOBBY GROUP TO HELP OLD-LINE RELOCATED BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE, IT IS SO OLD THAT THE GAS METER WON'T EVEN GO TO HIS

HOUSE. >> IT'S LIKE RIGGED UP IT SCARES ME WITH THE NATURAL GAS LINE.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY. THE PROJECT THAT UNFORTUNATELY WAS PROMISED IN SUMMER OF 2019, WAS THAT THEY WOULD REDO THE STREET, REDO THE DRAINAGE, PUT SIDEWALKS IN.

THE PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE IS JUST RECONSTRUCTING THE STREET, NOT CHANGING DRAINAGE, NO SIDEWALK.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I'M NOT SURE IT'S A WISE USE OF MONEY. SORRY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS COUGH IS ABOUT. JUST BECAUSE WE'VE TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT OLD TOWN WATERLINES ARE TOO SMALL.

THEY CAN'T WITHSTAND MORE PRESSURE COMING THROUGH THEM.

IF WE GO IN AND DO ALL THE WORK ON THE ROAD AND THEN LATER WE GO IN TO DO THE WATERLINES, WERE GOING TO TEAR UP THE WORK.

>> THE SEGMENT FOR LIVE OAK, WE COMPLETED THE WATERLINES.

THOSE OF ALL BUT COMPLETE, SERVICE CONNECTIONS AND ALL THAT IS COMPLETE. NOW WE NEED TO REPAVE THE ROAD.

>> IF YOU DROVE DOWN A LITTLE WHILE -- THAT'S WHERE.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL OF THAT IS DONE AND I THINK MAYBE WE COULD POSSIBLY DO PART OF THE OTHER LIVE OAK.

>> YEAH, WE CAN MOVE OUT ON PART OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE HAVE TWO BID THE PAVEMENT ON AGAIN

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IF YOU WANT TO BREAK IT UP, WE CAN BREAK IT UP AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. I THINK YOU WILL GET BETTER SCALE IF YOU DO THE WHOLE THING BUT IT'S REALLY KIND OF YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT ON HOW LONG OF LAG THEY WILL CONTINUE TO WRITE IF THEY CAN GET TO IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE THE PROJECT, BUT IF WE WANT TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PARTNER THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO

BREAK IT UP. >> AND I THINK LEGALLY WE CAN.

I DO THINK LEGALLY WE CAN DO A ROAD PROJECT UNTIL T1, T2 AND T3 ARE DONE. WE HAVE THE BOND ISSUE FIXED.

>> WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR THAT OUT OF THE BOND SO YES, YOU

CAN. >> WE ARE NOT BUT THEN HOW DO WE PAY FOR T1, T2 AND T3 SINCE WE SPENT THE MONEY?

>> IT WAS ONLY FOR DESIGN ANYWAY YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO ISSUE MORE MONEY ON THE CONSTRUCTION.

>> I'M NOT EXPLAINING RIGHT. LET'S SAY THEY FINISHED A WAY TO GOOD NEWS, T1, T2 AND T3 ARE COMPLETELY DESIGN.

WE CAN'T SELL BONDS TO FUND THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE STOP A BOND ISSUE. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU WOULD WANT TO SPEND MONEY IN OTHER ROAD PROJECTS UNTIL WE DO THE ONES WE HAVE TO DO, TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE -- ACCESS THE BIGGER PART OF MONEY. WE CAN GET THE BIGGER BOND MONEY UNTIL WE FIGURE THESE OUT OR PAY THE MONEY BACK.

ACTUALLY, ALL BOND ATTORNEY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE AG OFFICE AND WE BELIEVE WE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS ALL THE MONEY.

SO, HE WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT HE IS VERY CONFIDENT AND WE DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE WORKED EVERYTHING OUT

WITH THE AG OFFICE. >> THAT WAS PLANNED BEWARE SOME KIND OF ESCROW, MAKE THE AG COMFORTABLE.

>> WE ARE WORKING WITH WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE ON THAT. THEY HAVE AGREED I BELIEVE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE CHANGE AND MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP AND ALL OF THAT AND THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, TO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A LITTLE EXTRA BUT HE WILL BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT BETTER. HE IS VERY CONFIDENT WE WILL BE ABLE TO. THAT'S PART OF WHY WE ARE BRINGING THIS TO YOU RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE HE DOES FEEL CONFIDENT

IN THAT. >> ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE A NEW LIVE OAK. WE FINISHED DESIGN AND PAID FOR DESIGN ON THE BUILD WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND PARKING IN EVERYTHING. WITH THIS, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE DOES THAT BASICALLY THROW AWAY THE ENTIRE DESIGN? OR CAN IT STILL BE ADDED ON LATER IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN STILL COME IF WE WANT TO DEFUND IT IT SHOULD, CAN WE DO THAT OR ARE WE BASICALLY THROWING IT?

>> IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO WHOLESALE, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. THIS DESIGN ASSUMES YOU'RE GETTING THE DITCHES AND UNDERGROUND STORM SEWER, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IN SOME PARKING HERE AND THERE WITH SOME LOCALIZED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO COME BACK IN AND DO UNDERGROUND STORM SYSTEM

WITHOUT TEARING UP THE ROAD. >> YEAH THIS IS JUST REPAVING

IT DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WHAT IF YOU GUYS CAME BACK WITH THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD AND THE DRAINAGE AND NOT THE ON STREET PARKING? YOU CAN ALWAYS PAVE OVER IT LATER.

>> WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK. WE CAN UPDATE THE SCOPE AND

COST TO TRY TO DO JUST THAT. >> IS THAT RIGHT NOW? IF YOU REBUILD THE ROAD, AND YOU HAVE THE DRAINAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PIPING BUT IF YOU DID ALL THAT YOU COULD COME BACK LATER AND ADD ON STREET PARKING AND SIDEWALKS RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE STORM WATERLINES AND ALL THAT, YOU CAN -- QUICKLY COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH A PHASING SOLUTION THAT CAN GET YOU THERE.

YOU WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND REEVALUATE THE DESIGN AND MAKE SOME APPLICATION STUFF TO FACILITATE THAT BUT YOU CAN

COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. >> BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THOUGHTS BEHIND THIS IS PUTTING LIVE OAK, THAT WOULD BE THE SPINE OR THE BACKBONE THAT THE REST OF THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FEED OFF OF.

DO LIVE OAK FIRST, GET THE STORM DRAIN, THEN DOING EAST STREET AND WEST STREET AND MAIN STREET, BRANCHING OUT IT BUILDS OFF OF THAT. THAT BACKBONE.

>> WE CAN REGROUP, WE CAN LOOK AT OPTIONS AND GET BACK TO YOU.

BUT THIS AS PRESENTED IS, IF I GET LIVE OAK BACK, GET SOLID

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>> I CAN START DRIVING.> MORE THAN 10 MILES AN HOUR.

>> IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT IT COST TO PUT IN THE SEWERS AND SIDEWALKS. WE CAN SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES

ARE. >> OKAY.

WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME OPTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? OKAY, THE NEXT TWO ON THE LIST ARE RELATED TO THE MEGA SITE AND THESE ARE PROJECTS SEVEN AND EIGHT.

THEY ARE BASICALLY, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE EAST WEST SPINE ROAD I'LL CALL IT THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE AT THE MEGA SITE, COME UP WITH 3349 GOING WEST, AND THEN HAVING ANOTHER SEGMENT, THAT WOULD THEN TURN SOUTH AND CONNECT TO COUNTY ROAD 132. THIS ROADWAY WOULD BE A DIVIDED ROADWAY, TWO LANES EACH DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER MEDIAN. WATERLINES TO ACCOMMODATE TRUCKS AND OTHER TYPE OF FACILITIES.

NO ON STREET PARKING, A WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WIDER LANES DIVIDED ROADWAY, TO ALLOW FOR MEDIAN BREAKS AND INTERSECTIONS AND PROVIDE SAFETY AND MOBILITY IN THE AREA.

IDEALLY, NOT IDEALLY BUT THIS ROAD WOULD ULTIMATELY CONTINUE ON TO THE WEST, SO PRODUCT NUMBER SEVEN WOULD ULTIMATELY CONTINUE ON, THIS IS THE FIRST -- ROUGHLY THE FIRST HALF OF THE PROJECT, THAT WILL BE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE IN THE MEGA SITE OFF OF 3349 THE PROJECT, ABOUT TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION ON 3349 WHICH IS SEGMENT THREE OF THE SOUTHEAST WITH THE COUNTY PROJECT, WILL INCLUDE A MEDIAN BREAK, IF YOU WILL.

AN INTERSECTION, WERE SHOWN THE ROADWAY SO THAT IS THE ONLY CROSSOVER PLANNED ON THAT SEGMENT BETWEEN 79 AND COUNTY ROAD 132. THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE ROAD LOCATED THERE. I BELIEVE THAT HAD LARGELY BEEN A RESULT OF SOME DISCUSSION WITH CITY AND WITH EDC AND OTHERS. THAT IS OUR SUGGESTED ROUTE FOR THE ROAD AND OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA, THERE MAY BE SOME TWEAKS BUT GENERALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE THE APPROXIMATE AREA. AND THEN, PROJECT EIGHT, NORTH-SOUTH CONNECTION INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.

THE MEGA SITE AREA. IT WOULD BE THE SAME ROADWAY SECTION. THE DIVIDED ROADWAY.

>> AND HOW MUCH OF THIS FUNDING WOULD BE FROM LIKE -- WERE TALKING POTENTIAL TIRZ AND STUFF SO FUNDING COULD BE --

>> TO GET STARTED EVEN IF WE CREATE THAT TIRZ, THE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT AND THE COMPANIES ARE THERE.

THE OTHER THING WE ARE EXPLORING IS HOW THE EDC CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THE DEBT YOU KNOW THE PAYMENTS ALONG THE WAY. IN THE BEGINNING UNTIL THE TIRZ KICKS AND WILL EXPLORE THAT USING THAT.

>> OKAY ONCE IT KICKS AND CAN IT REIMBURSE SOME OF THOSE

EXPENSES THAT THE CITY TOOK ON? >> WE HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT.

IT DEPENDS. WE JUST GET A START OF THE

PROJECT. >> PROJECTS WITHIN THE TIRZ IT'S EASY TO SAY, HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH OF SOME OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS CAN BE PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THE TIRZ? LIKE JUST RESEMBLE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND IF THE TIRZ IS POTENTIALLY USING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE UPGRADE --

>> IT HAS TO BE -- >> IS NOT JUST A SERVICE THEN?

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>> IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA. >> BUT WE CANNOT GET IMPACT --

>> I THINK THERE IS A VARIATION OF THAT.

I THINK THAT TIRZ CAN HELP PAY FOR PART OF THE UPGRADE TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT IN ORDER TO USE THE WASTEWATER PLANT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE CAPACITY FOR YOUR PEOPLE. AND SO, YOU'RE ABLE TO, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW WE BASICALLY LEVERAGE EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING TO SOLVE OR TRY TO SOLVE A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES IN THE CITY, THUS, ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER THEM TALKING ABOUT. YOU CAN'T BUILD A ROAD LIKE T10, BUT ANYTHING THAT FLOWS THROUGH WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A WATER LINE THROUGH AND PROVIDE WATER THAT FLOWED THROUGH, THERE'S A CHANCE A PORTION CAN BE USED FOR TIRZ.

>> UNTIL SOMETHING DEVELOPS. IF YOU HAVE A INVESTMENT OUT THERE THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TAX GOING TO THAT. HELP FUND A LOT OF THINGS.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH T7, MOVING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

THE T8, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IS PRIVATE LAND.

THERE IS NOTHING. >> IF WE START TAKING THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY NOW. >> I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR

THAT. >> IF WE START NOW ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEN BY THE TIME WE NEED IT WILL HAVE HER

WRAPPED UP. >> YOU CAN START EARLY ENOUGH.

>> WE JUST BEGAN THE DISCUSSION ON THE TIRZ FOR THE MEGA SITE AREA. WILL START TO EVALUATE THE COST AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS BECAUSE THE OTHER THING LATER ON DOWN THE LIST TO THE PROJECTS, A VERY BIG WOULD BE CONSIDERED ON TIRZ TWO AND THREE AND HOW WE CAN WORK SOME OF THAT IN THERE. WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF THINGS. WE JUST STARTED THAT.

>> I KIND OF AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR BECAUSE I'M NOT ON THE EDC, I'M NOT A SMITE WITH ALL THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WHERE IT IS IN NEGOTIATIONS BUT IT DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE, T7 WOULD DEFINITELY GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AS FAR AS ACCESSIBILITY.

AND ALSO, THE T8 THING MIGHT BE NICE TO WAIT UNTIL SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE THERE TO HELP PAY FOR.

SO THE QUESTION IF WE CAN GET REIMBURSED THERE, AND THE POTENTIAL $8 MILLION COULD GO TO ACTUALLY, FUNDING LIVE OAK THE RIGHT WAY AND FUNDING LIKE PROMISED 10 YEARS AGO.

IT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM FIXING THE LEGACY ISSUES THAT CONTINUE YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND WHAT IS A NEED VERSUS THE WANT, T7 IS DEFINITELY IN NEED. I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AND MORE THAN WILLING TO ADMIT THAT, T8 KIND OF SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A WANT. I FEEL WE NEED TO COME THROUGH ESPECIALLY FOR SOME LEGACY ISSUES THAT HUTTO HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH FOR YEARS. THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS.

>> LET ME SAY I AGREE WITH LEGACY PROJECTS.

ON THOSE PROJECTS, T7 IS, PROVIDES A CONNECTION FOR 33 48 AND THE LOOP. THIS PROVIDES CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH. FRANKLY, AS THE AREA DEVELOPS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE USERS THAT ARE EITHER ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT OR PURCHASE PROPERTY OR, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO COUNTY ROAD 132 IS CRITICAL TO DRIVING DEVELOPMENT ON THE REST OF THE PARCEL. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT T8 IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS T7, IN THE SENSE THAT IT IMPROVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MOBILITY NUMBER ONE, BUT ALSO OPENS UP OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AND TOWARD THE WEST SIDE OF THE MEGA SITE.

THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE WAY IN AND OUT.

>> I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WANTING TO DRIVE DEVELOPMENT AND HUGE ECONOMIC BENEFITS THERE DEFINITELY. BUT DO YOU ALSO THINK MAYBE, WE NEED TO START COMING THROUGH ON THE PROMISES AND WE BEEN COLLECTING FUNDS FROM THE TAXPAYERS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. FOR LAKESIDE AND THE 2019 BONDS, LIVE OAK WAS NOT NAMED PROJECT BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE BIG SELLING POINT TO THE PROJECT.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

>> ACTUALLY WASN'T SELLING POINT BECAUSE IT WASN'T SOLD

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>> TO THE CITIZENS, THEY DEFINITELY THINK THEY GOT

DUPED. >> THEY WERE PRESENTED UNTIL 2019. THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THE

TIMELINE THERE. >> I'VE NOT SEEN T8 BEFORE BUT I KIND OF AGREE WHERE UNLESS A FIRE MARSHAL SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE TWO WAYS IN AND OUT, TO ME, I DON'T WANT TO BE WATER RICH AND RED WHICH EITHER I DON'T WANT TO BEHIND.

IF WE BUILD A BUNCH OF ROADS AND SAY, WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME.

I THINK T7 IS ALREADY CONTRACTUALLY, WE HAVE TO, BASED ON SELLING THE LAND THAT THE EDC DID, T8 TO ME IS LIKE A NICE TO HAVE, SOMETHING HAPPENS DOWN THAT WAY THEN IT'S LIKE NOW WE NEED IT. BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS FROM A PARTY STANDPOINT THAT ARE ABOVE.

THAT IS ALL ASSUMING THE FIRE MARSHAL DOESN'T SAY WHOEVER

WOULD DICTATE THE TWO WAYS. >> IF YOU TALK ABOUT CITY BUDGET, ABSOLUTE. IF YOU TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL TIRZ PROJECT, IT'S A LOT EASIER.

WE CAN SAY GO AHEAD WITH IT. >> OKAY.

>> WILL BE INTERESTING TO HEAR CITIZEN INPUT ON THAT.

I GET THAT THERE A LOT OF SIDES TO IT AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS VERSUS WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN PROMISED AND PAYING TAXES ON FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED CITIZEN INPUT IF IT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE TAXING AUTHORITY OF THE TIRZ.

IT WILL BE NO DIFFERENT THAN DEVELOPER SAYING I'M BUILDING A ROAD OVER HERE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

CAN WE BUILD YOUR ROAD WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS, THAT PART --

>> WE WOULD NOT DEVELOP IT THEY WOULD DEVELOP THEMSELVES.

EVENTUALLY WHILE WE WAIT FOR THOSE THAT NEED T7, DEFINITELY, THAT'S THERE. THEY CAN START PUTTING INTO THE TIRZ TO POTENTIALLY FUND THE OTHER --

>> DOING GOOD, ALMOST DONE. >> LET'S JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE.

PROJECT NUMBER FOUR. ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT I THINK YOU BEEN ON YOUR LIST FOR A WHILE.

THIS PROJECT WAS INITIALLY SCOPED, WE RE-SCOPE THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AND ARE UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW ALONG 137 AND 1660.

AS CURRENTLY SCOPED, THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS TO BOTH 1660 AND 137 AND THE INTERSECTION ITSELF, A RIGHT TURN LANE ON 1660 SOUTHBOUND 137.

INCLUDING TURN LANES AT 137 ONTO 6060 AND THEN, UPGRADES TO THAT LIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOURTH WHICH IS THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE.

THE BULK OF THE MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE ON 137.

IT WOULD BE WIDENED FROM ITS EXISTING CONFIGURATION TO A THREE LANE ROADWAY WHICH IS IN THE CITIES MASTER PLAN.

IN EACH DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE.

AND SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE STRETCH.

ALONG THE WHOLE STRETCH FROM 1660 S. TO BRUSHY CREEK.

AND SO, IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ONGOING NOW WITH THE DRIVEWAYS, PART OF THE TIA ON THE PROJECT, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF LANES REQUIRED FOR TURN LANES AND SO FORTH.HE PROJECT ACCOMMODATES THOSE. AND WOULD ALSO IMPROVE THE OVERALL DRAINAGE SITUATION, IT IS ANTICIPATED THIS WOULD NOT BE A ENCLOSED -- ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BE POCKETS OF THAT, TO UTILIZE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OUT THERE ACTUALLY AN OPEN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. BUT TO WIDEN THE ROAD, IMPROVE SAFETY ALONG THE STRETCH AND IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE, ESPECIALLY ON THE LOWER END OF THAT.

>> ON THAT ONE ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, ALL OF THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WERE PAID BY THE NARROWS AND I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON THE CORNER WAS

IT ACROSS THE STREET? >> NO.

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THE FUNDING, ANGIE, I THINK WILL HAVE MORE SUPPORTING INFORMATION ON THOSE WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT.

THEN IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE PARTIALLY FUNDED, WHAT SOME OF THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE BUT TO YOUR POINT, THOSE PROJECTS HAVE IMPACT FEES THAT THEY ARE

PAYING. >> ON THAT ONE, I CAN'T TELL WHERE THE RED LINE ENDS. DOES THAT COVER THE BRIDGE

THERE? >> NO, IT STOPS SHORT OF THE BRIDGE. JUST BASICALLY SOUTH OF THE ENTRANCE. BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BRIDGE.

>> I'M SURE ANGIE KNOWS THIS BUT IT'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE HAVE MONEY BUDGETED IN THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD ON THIS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS AN

OVERLAY. >> OKAY.

HE KNEW IT WASN'T GOING TO COVER THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE

IT WAS A SMALLER PROJECT. >> RIGHT, WHAT THIS IS GOING INTO WILL REQUIRE -- TO FINISH THE PROJECT.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES BUT I DON'T KNOW AT THIS MOMENT. I HAVE TO GET WITH ASHLEY TO

GET THE NUMBERS AND TAKE A LOOK.>> AND THE TIMING OF THOSE FEES TOO. A LOT OF TIMES IT IS UP IN THE AIR BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN SOMEONE WILL MOVE FORWARD OR

NOT. >> I WILL GET WITH HER ON THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AND TALK WITH HER ON THAT TO SEE WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN. BECAUSE AS OF NOW WE DON'T, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. WE WILL LOOK AT THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOW ALL OF THAT WITH WASTE WOOD AND EVERYTHING BUT BETWEEN IMPACT FEES, THERE IS MUD DONE HERE LIKE $2 MILLION, IT SEEMS LIKE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AS BIG OF A HILL TO CLIMB IF WE KNOW BETWEEN THE PID MONEY, THE MUD MONEY, IMPACT FEES COMING IN. YOU PUT THAT ALL IN SOME OF THIS LOOK LIKE A $7 MILLION PROBLEM BUT MIGHT BE A 2 MILLION OR $3 MILLION PROBLEM. BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS LAST

NAME WAS JOE SOMETHING. >> AT LAKESIDE.

>> WE SHOOK HIM DOWN TO 2 MILLION TO PUT TOWARDS US BUT

DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE. >> I THINK IT WAS A LAKESIDE

MUD. >> CHECK INTO THAT.

>> OKAY. >> ALL THE COUNTY ROADS ARE WE DOING PROJECTS, ARE WE NOW GOING TO OWN THEM OFFICIALLY?

AND WILL WE RENAME IS -- >> WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

RIGHT HERE. >> CAN BE ANNEXED THE NARROWS

ON THE OTHER SIDE? >> THEY'VE ALL BEEN ANNEXED IN. TO YOUR POINT, RENAME AT SOME POINT WILL BE PERFECT BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT IS UNDER.

>> WE KNOW IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM, BUT THE SECTION BETWEEN WHERE WE STOPPED AT THE BRIDGE AND THEN, WHERE THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WILL END AT 137, HAVE WE HEARD, IS A COUNTY GOING TO BE IMPROVING THAT SECTION OF 137 TO IMPROVE

CONDUCTIVITY THERE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, I'M NOT

AWARE. >> THAT WILL BE A BIG BOTTLENECK. WE WILL HAVE THIS NICE ROAD AND THEN IT WILL BE THIS, GOING TO GO DOWN AND IT WILL HIT THE LOOP. TRAFFIC IS REALLY GOING TO EXPAND THERE WAS A FINISH PHASE 1.

>> I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AGAIN FOR SOUTHEAST LOOP BUT I REMEMBER THERE BEING SECTIONS THAT WERE ELEVATED OVER THE ROADWAY SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A SECTION THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE OVER. I BELIEVE THERE SECTIONS OF THE LOOP THAT YOU HAVE -- AT HAVE TO GO BACK AND RELOOK AT IT.

I REMEMBER THERE BEING SECTIONS BUT I DON'T KNOW.

IT JUST MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO NOTE OR LOOK AT FURTHER.

>> THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. >> OKAY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NEXT PROJECT IS FIVE.

LAKESIDE ESTATE SIDEWALKS. WE ARE SHOWING HERE IS BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OF WHAT WE BEGAN THIS YEAR, WHICH IS AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION FOR SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. THERE WAS A PLAN DEVELOPED A

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THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT PROJECT WENT OUT TO BID.

WE WILL ACTUALLY COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MEETING FOR AWARD OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, THE CONTINUATION OF THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME I WOULD SAY A THREE YEAR TIMEFRAME, TO BUILD OUT THE REMAINING SIDEWALKS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE OVERALL PLAN.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ASSUMED AN ANNUAL AMOUNT.

FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT OUT ENOUGH IT IS SOMETHING WE DO OFFER THE GENERAL FUND OR IF YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE THAT YOU KNOW BOND AND DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT BROKEN OUT AS A ANNUAL ALLOCATION THAT WE

WOULD TAKE CARE OF OVER TIME. >> IT COULD BE FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. NOT WITH THE DEBT BUT IF YOU WANTED TO EXPEDITE THAT IT CAN BE ROLLED IN.

-- THAT THE COUNCIL DECISION TO MAKE.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO EXPEDITE IT BUT THE ISSUE IS THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE ALL PROJECTS WILL BE SO MUCH DEBT ISSUED OR ATTEMPTED TO BE ISSUED THAT I JUST DON'T HOW WE COULD DO EVERYTHING AT

ONCE. >> AND ALSO HAD A BROKEN OUT THIS WAY. NUMBER ONE, THAT WAS I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENT. AND SO WE TRY TO KEEP THAT OPTION TO TRY TO BREAK IT OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND AGAIN, SOME SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS BUT TRYING TO A POINT WHERE HOPEFULLY IT CAN BE FUNDED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND REALLY, THAT WILL DEPEND EACH OR HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE PER YEAR AND ACCELERATE -- WE HAVE SET UP

THIS WAY. >> AND THE AMOUNT SHOWN HERE, WE CONTINUE AND WHAT WE PLANNED, AS OF NOW IT'S THERE.

>> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF LAKESIDE OR EVERYONE THAT LIVES THERE BUT SOME OF US HAD A MEETING WITH WADE IN A COUPLE OF THE OTHER GUYS, AND I WOULD SAY FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE HAPPY TO BE GETTING SOME MOVEMENT. KIND OF IS NOT A LITTLE BIT SLOWER APPROACH AND BEING ABLE TO USE A GENERAL FUND OF THINK IS VERY, THEY SEE IT IN A POSITIVE WAY.

ON THINK THEY WILL NECESSARILY BE UPSET IF IS NOT COMPLETED 2023. I THINK THEY ARE VERY ACCEPTING OF THE PHASED PROJECT. AND JUST EXCITED TO BE GETTING THEM. I DO THINK IS NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO OUT -- IT'S MY OPINION ON TALK TO EVERYBODY BUT FROM THE ONES I'VE HEARD FROM.

>> ONE THING I LIKE TO KNOW FROM BOND COUNSEL.

IF WE ASSUME THAT IT WILL BE TODAY, SAY A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION. IF YOU BONDED AND THE ONLY COST YOU 3 MILLION BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL PRICE YOU BONDED, AND DO IT TODAY THEN PAY MILLION TOWARDS IT OVER THREE YEARS, HOW MUCH INTEREST DID YOU PAY? LET'S SAY IT IS 100 GROUND OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER CAME BACK VERSUS EACH YEAR, THE PRICE GOES UP FOR CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THE HIGH INFLATION MARKET.

YOU MAY SPEND MORE BUDGETING THIS WAY THAN IF YOU JUST ISSUE THE BOND AND PAID IT OVER THREE YEARS.

>> I'M KIND OF WITH I'M WITH -- WITH THE CITY NEEDS IS A HOLY THINK THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE SHOULD GO OUT FOR BOND MONEY FOR. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

THANK YOU GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

WRITING OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW.

YOU WANT TO BUY THE BIGGER PACK ALL IT WAS BECAUSE IS CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN BUT SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE BIGGER, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

>> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST BE HAPPY, JUST SEEING A SIDEWALK, I THINK PEOPLE SAY MY GOD IT'S MOVING! IF YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO KNOCK AT LAKESIDE THIS YEAR THE NEXT YEAR THIS AND NEXT YEAR THAT, AGAIN, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE BUDGET CYCLE SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE MAKE SURE WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE INCREASED CONSTRUCTION COST BUT THE PROBLEM IS, EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE IS GOING UP. THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE MONEY WITH INFLATION IS TO KNOCK IT ALL OUT TODAY.

BUT WE CANCEL SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO GET SKIPPED AND THUS

THE DIFFICULT PART WE ARE IN. >> I THINK THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS, THE CONSTRUCTION SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE ARE ALL

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PROGRESS. >> AND THE DRAINAGE TONIGHT WE'LL GET STARTED ON THAT AND NEXT MEETING THE SIDEWALKS AND WILL GET STARTED ON THOSE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE

ARE MOVING FORWARD. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT BELIEVE IT UNTIL THEY SEE IT.

>> AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

THEY VOTED FOR THESE BONDS IN 2018 FOR THE PROJECTS.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. WE GET IT.

I UNDERSTAND. >> AND YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE NOT NITPICKING EVERYTHING AND APPROVING MORE PROJECTS. WE ARE ALL KIND OF WORKING

TOWARD THIS. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF THESE BUILT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. PROJECT SIX IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS AND YOU JUST MENTIONED.

THIS COULD BE CALLED A NUMBER OF THINGS.

COUNTY ROAD 132 OVERPASS, HUTTO ARTERIAL, THE NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL THAT IS A THREE-PHASE PROJECT OR THREE SEGMENTS, NORTH AND SOUTH SEGMENT OR DEVELOPED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND THE CITY HAS THE MIDDLE SEGMENT WHICH IS FROM THE LOOP DOWN TO COUNTY ROAD 199, 132. THE INTERSECTION DOWN THERE.

HIS IS A SIX LANE ROADWAY. IT IS THE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE AN OVERPASS, OVER THE RAILROAD AND 79.

THEN INCLUDE A TIE-IN TO 79 ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THE CONCEPT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WAS THE TECHNICAL TERM IS JUG HANDLE. TO CONNECT BACK TO 79.

THIS PROJECT OBVIOUSLY IS A MAJOR PROJECT.

AND IT IS ONE THAT IS FRANKLY, WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA FOR TRAFFIC IN THE SENSE THAT IN THE SHORT TERM, AS THE AREA CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, AT LEAST SOUTH ESPECIALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, IT ALLOWS ANOTHER CONNECTION TO 79 VERSUS TWO LANE COUNTY ROAD THAT IS, HAS BAD SIGHT DISTANCE ON 79 AND WERE PEOPLE TRYING TO GO DOWN FRONT STREET TO GET TO THE 1660 AND ALL THAT.

LONG TERM, THIS WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY. AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP THEIR SEGMENTS, ULTIMATELY, THIS WOULD BE A NORTH-SOUTH CORRIDOR FROM CHANDLER ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1660 AND BRUSHY CREEK. THIS PROJECT ALSO FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT ALONG THE MEGA SITE IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. AND I KNOW IT'S A BIG PROJECT BUT ONE THAT WE, IT HAS BEEN DORMANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AT A MINIMUM WITH THE DESIGN TO GET THAT IN PLACE AND WORK TOWARDS GETTING THE PROJECT BUILT. AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

>> TWO QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH OF THE TIMELINE IS FUNDING VERSUS HOW LONG DO YOU THINK WILL TAKE THE PROJECT TO GET DONE? IS OPPORTUNITY IF FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE EARLIER SOMEHOW THAT IT COULD BE

ACCELERATED? >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE PROJECT IN MY OPINION, IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION AND GETTING APPROVALS WITH THE RAILROAD AND TXDOT AND GETTING AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. IT WILL TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION BUT THERE WILL BE SOME, IT'S GOING TO BE A, SINCE RIGHT NOW IT'S SET UP AS A LOCALLY FUNDED PROJECT, THAT WILL SPEED THE PERMITTING AGREEMENT PROCESS UP BUT THERE IS STILL BE SOME PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT WILL BE ADDED TO THE PROJECT IS DEALING WITH THE ROAD AND TXDOT AND THOSE TYPE

OF THINGS. >> MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS AT THAT AREA RECENTLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE DATA SUPPORTS THAT GOING UP AND I JUST KNOW THAT I'M HEARING ABOUT ACCIDENTS MORE OFTEN AND THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING IT'S GETTING MORE DANGEROUS THERE.

ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY THERE? WORKING WITH TXDOT AND I THINK

MAYBE -- >> I THINK THERE IS.

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OVERPASS. >> FIVE YOU SHALL NOT POPULATION WILL BE BIGGER. WE BELIEVE.

IT WILL BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE ACCIDENTS.

NOT A GOOD FEELING. NOT A GOOD FEELING TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PUT IN A LIGHT AND THEN RIP OUT AND PUT IN OVERPASS BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE MIGHT DIE THERE.

>> THE CHALLENGE, AT THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL, UNION PACIFIC HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH THEIR LIMITATIONS ON EXISTING CROSSINGS AND EXPAND THOSE.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO LOOK AT THERE.

BUT IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE TIME, AT LEAST TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION IF THAT IS A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS LONG 79 THAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE IMPLEMENTED. WORKING ON SAFETY MEASURES,

THAT TYPE OF THING. >> MAYBE DROPPED THE SPEED LIMIT FROM 65 TO SOMETHING SAFER.

WE TALKED ONCE ABOUT THE DESIGN.

IF I REMEMBER, WE HAD ONE DESIGN THAT WAS 60 PERCENT COMPLETE. THEN WE HAD A CITY MANAGER WANTED TO MOVE IT OVER 50 FEET FOR -- IS THERE WAY TO GO BACK TO THE WINDOW HE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR? HOPE YOU'RE NOT TELL ME THAT EXPIRED AND WE HAD TO GO BACK.

>> NO, I WOULD -- REALITY IS THAT THE ALIGNMENT YOU REFERRED TO IS NOT VIABLE, BASED ON WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE AREA.

LOTS CHANGED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

THAT DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT GOING ON UP THERE IN THE MEGA SITE AND ADJACENT. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT WE WILL END UP BACK TO KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED I THINK. THE ORIGINAL PRODUCT ALONG 132

AND NOT OFFSET TO THE EAST. >> WE CAN UTILIZE, WE HAD THE INITIAL PLAN AND PLAN B. CAN WE GO BACK TO PLAN A? WE SAY THAT'S NO LONGER VIABLE TOO?

>> AND SAMMY ALIGNMENT WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO COUNTY ROAD 132.

THERE IS SOME INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT I THINK CAN BE SALVAGED. SOME OF THE SURVEY SOME GEO TAX AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THAT WERE PERFORMED IN AND AROUND THE AREA THAT COULD BE USED WISE.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME COMPONENTS OF THAT THAT ARE NOT

VIABLE. >> WHAT IS A DESIGN -- IF WE SPENT 2 MILLION ON DESIGN WHAT IS THAT?

>> I THINK THAT WAS THE CONTRACT AMOUNT.

I DON'T THINK YOU SPENT -- >> STARTED PICKING OUT WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT. --

>> THEY HAVE DONE SOME CONCEPTUAL AESTHETICS AND SOME OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THE BRIDGE.

BUT THE ACTUAL ROADWAY, THAT LOCATION IS NOT A VIABLE

OPTION. >> WE HAVE 60 PERCENT -- WHICH HAVE SCHEMATICS AND ELEVATIONS. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I'M ALMOST POSITIVE WE WERE AGAIN, THE WAY WE WERE MOVING MANY RUNNING 2019, THERE'S NO TELLING.

I WOULD ALMOST BET MONEY THAT WE WERE TOLD BY PRESENTATION THAT IT'S ALMOST DONE AND NOW WE ARE AT THE POINT LIKE MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SAID, WHAT KIND OF CHEESE DO YOU WANT AND HOW DO YOU WANT THE BRICK TO LOOK ON THE OUTSIDE? THERE IS A $2 MILLION PACKAGE AND A MILLION . WE KEPT ASKING WHY WE BUILDING A BRIDGE AND NOWHERE? AT THAT POINT THEY DIDN'T EVEN TELL US WAS AN ARTERIAL ROAD.

THEY JUST SHRUGGED THEIR SHOULDERS AND SAID IT'S A BRIDGE. AND WE'RE LIKE WHY WOULD YOU BUILD A BRIDGE HERE? THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WOULD COME LATER A WHOLE ROAD PLAN NORTH AND SOUTH AND NOT TO FIND OUT THAT I WILL FIND OUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, JUST TO PLANS, HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE NORTH SIDE, EITHER HUTTO, EDC, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT-OF-WAY OUGHT TO BE REALLY

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THERE COULD BE -- IT WILL TAKE US PROBABLY TWO YEARS TO DESIGN

THE BRIDGE. >> SIGN THAT AND GET THE

AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. >> THE DESIGN WILL NOT TAKE TWO YEARS BUT THE AGREEMENTS AND THE PROCESS.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME EFFORT AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME WORK ON AESTHETICS AND I CAN PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF THAT UTILIZE. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT PLANS BUT I DON'T, I WOULD NOT SAY THE INFORMATION IS NECESSARILY VIABLE AND IN THE LOCATION WHERE --

>> I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH PUT INTO THIS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS CRAZY HOW MUCH MONEY THEY ARE SPENDING ON AND WANTED TO PUT UP A WELCOME TO HUTTO SIGN WHEN IT'S LIKE A MILE AND 1/2 INTO HUTTO ALREADY FROM THE EAST.

THERE WERE THINGS THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE BUT I'M NOT FOR SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY TRYING TO MAKE A BRIDGE BE PRETTY.AKE IT FUNCTIONAL. AND IF WE CAN AFFORD TO MAKE IT PRETTY THEN OKAY. BUT IF WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS WERE PUSHING OUT BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TAKING A BRIDGE PRETTY, WE ARE DOING IT WRONG.

>> AT THAT PRICE TAG IT WILL HAVE TO BE BOND MONEY.

>> GOOD NEWS IS, SOMETHING WE DIDN'T WASTE OUR MONEY DISHONORING THE BRIDGE. BAD NEWS IS, WE WILL GO WITH

STEP ONE. >> THE NEXT PROJECT ON THE LIST IS PROJECT 13. THIS ONE IS I GUESS IN THE SAME VEIN AS LIVE OAK. KIND OF A RECONSTRUCTION OF A VERY POOR SECTION OF ROAD. THIS IS THE CURVE, THE 90 DEGREES CURVE. ALL SEGMENT FRANKLY FROM COUNTY ROAD 132 TO THE WEST NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED.

IT IS STILL YOU KNOW THE OLD COUNTY ROAD.

BUT THAT AREA RIGHT THERE AT 199 THE WAY IT SET UP IS REALLY, GEARED MORE TOWARDS THE GENERAL FUND TYPE OF PROJECT VERSUS SOMETHING -- THIS IS ONE THAT WE WILL COME BEFORE YOU NEXT MEETING WITH A CONTRACT WITH PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT PLAN.

OUT OF THE PLAN THEY WILL DEVELOP FOR THE ASSESSMENT, A PLAN FOR PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE AND MORE.

WE KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE WORST STRETCHES OF PAYMENT, TO TRY AND STABILIZE IT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO RECONSTRUCT A SEGMENT OF IT AROUND THE CORNER.

THE TRYING TO AT LEAST EXTEND THE LIFE OF WOOD OUT THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL WE HAVE THE PLAN IN PLACE OVERALL FOR THE CITY BUT ALSO, LITTLE MORE DUE DILIGENCE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DEVELOP AND FUND THE PROJECT TO BUILD THAT SEGMENT OF ROAD BETWEEN 132 OVER TO FRONT STREET AND 1660.

IN MY OPINION IT'S A LONG TERMS PROJECT THIS IS IMMEDIATE.

SCOPE TO BE MORE OF A GENERAL FUND TYPE.

QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> MALA QUESTION, I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT THERE WAS GOING TO BE FUNDING PUT THROUGH TO DO A FRONT STREET EXTENSION WITH THE RETAIL SPACE THERE ALONG THAT.

>> I BELIEVE THAT IS STILL THE PLAN.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT DO WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS VERSUS THE OVERLAY OF THIS SO IT MATCHES

UP. >> WILL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM ON THE TIMING. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEIR

CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME IS. >> OKAY.

AND THEN, I KNOW WE ARE WAITING ON THE T-3 BUT WHEN IT'S GOING FORWARD, IS IT ALSO TO HANDLE -- RIGHT NOW I FEEL BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY SAID THE TRYING TO GET INTO THE 1660 N. AND MAKE A TURN. AND IF WE COULD DO SOME PAINTING LIKE WE DID AT THE GYM CAGE ENGINES AND THEY DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HAVE THAT AS A PART OF THAT GETS DONE IN LIKE A MONTH.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID THE OTHER DISSECTION BUT I DON'T

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BUT I MEAN, -- >> WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AREA OFFICE ABOUT DOING JUST THAT IN THE INTERIM.

I NEED TO FOLLOW-UP TO SEE BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT, I'LL SEE IF IT'S STILL ON THEIR RADAR AND WHEN WE LARGER INCLUDE ADDITIONAL SIGNING AND STRIPING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. TRY TO IMPROVE THAT AS BEST WE

CAN. >> THE NEXT PROJECT IS A DRAINAGE PROJECT. IT IS CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS, GENERALLY FROM FRONT STREET TO CARL STERN, INCLUDING SOME THIS PRODUCT WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2018 DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ONLY MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO, IN YOUR PLAN BUT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD ON.

WE HAVEN'T SHOWN FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

BUT THIS IS ONE THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON.

TRYING TO SEE WHERE IT FALLS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN AND PROPOSING TO START IN FISCAL YEAR 24 BUT AGAIN, SUBJECT TO INPUT. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE

PROJECT. >> IS THAT ONE GENERAL FUND? OR ARE WE THINKING GENERAL FUND?

>> POSSIBLY. YOU COULD SET UP AND HAVE DESIGN ONE YEAR AND CONSTRUCTION THE NEXT YEAR IF YOU LIKE OR HOWEVER THAT WORKS OUT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ON PAPER FOR NUMBER OF YEARS. WE ARE PROPOSING MOVING FORWARD. RELATED TO THAT IS THE NEXT PROJECT, PROJECT 14. WE ARE RECOMMENDING A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN UPDATE. A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT, BASICALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 24/25. THE LAST ONE WAS DONE IN 2018.

IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER UPDATE. THERE ARE SOME KIND OF SMALLER LOCALIZED PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED.

SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE 2018 PLAN HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. BUT IT IS TIME, THE CITY IS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN. THERE ARE NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS. THAT IS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

THE NEXT -- >> IT SEEMS A LITTLE WEIRD THAT IF WE NEED AN UPDATE WE ARE WAITING ANOTHER COUPLE OF

YEARS. >> WE CAN PUSH THAT FORWARD.

>> THE NEWS ISN'T GOING TO GET BETTER WAITING TWO YEARS LONGER TO DO IT. I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT MAYBE, MAYBE NOT NEXT YEAR BUT EVEN IF IT IS 24 INSTEAD OF 25.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO PUSH OUT THAT FAR.

WE ARE READY DO FOR IT TO BE UPDATED.

>> THANK YOU. >> PROJECT 11 IS A SAFETY PROJECT. THIS IS PROPOSED TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT -- AND INNOVATION. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE PART OF THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD AND A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION AND SIGHTLINES.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING IMPLEMENTATION OF A TRAFFIC

SIGNAL AT THIS INTERSECTION. >> YOU HAVE IT PUSHED OUT TO 24. MY QUESTION IS, AS ADDITIONAL PROJECTS COME IN TWO INNOVATION TITAN BUSINESS PARK WE GET TRAFFIC, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET PULLED IN AND PAID FOR AS A TRAFFIC MITIGATION AT THE INTERSECTION? IT WOULD FURTHER ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO TURN THEIR WRIST IS GOING TO ED SCHMIDT, COMING DOWN AND GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO STOP AND I'M CURIOUS IF MAYBE THAT HELPS.

YOU CAN SAY TRUCKS HERE, THE SIGNAGE OF THE INTERSECTION,

KILLS TWO ISSUES IN THE TOWN. >> ABSOLUTELY.

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT BY USING THAT

FUNDING. >> I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE PLANNED AND COMING IN, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH IN FEES AND DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIRST MOST IF NOT ALL OF IT.

>> I AGREE. --

>> WE HAVE ONE MORE PROJECT. PROJECT 10 IS ON ED SCHMIDT.

WE HAVE INITIATED A TRAFFIC OR SPEED STUDY ON ED SCHMIDT.

FROM 79 BUT AS PART OF THE SCOPE FILLED TO HIGH-LEVEL CONCEPTUAL ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT SEGMENT. AND SO, THIS PROJECT IS REALLY IN ANTICIPATION OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY. AND SO, THE SCOPE, I THINK THERE'S A HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE WILL BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REQUIRE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE MEDIAN OR THE SIGNAGE AND DELINEATIONS OUT THERE. ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, -- LONG A STRETCH THE AREA CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, LIVE OAK IS EXTENDED.

SO THIS PROJECT WOULD LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPLEMENT THE

SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. >> WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE WHEN LIVE OAK IS EXTENDED WILL END UP WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE

INTERSECTION? >> I WOULD SAY YES.

IT WOULD BE WARRANTED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, THANK

YOU. >> JUST TO WRAP ALL OF THIS UP, AT THE NEXT MEETING WILL COME BACK WITH THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND BOND COUNSEL. DURING A PRESENTATION ON PROPOSED FUNDING FOR THESE PROJECTS.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT YOUR COMMENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS FROM TONIGHT ALSO. IN HOPES THAT YOU WILL GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE FOR SOME OF THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

THAT WILL BE THE PLAN. >> DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING FINAL NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY TO MOST ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF

WHAT THE PROPERTY TAX. >> IS A CERTIFIED ROLE IS DUE TO US BY MONDAY THE 25TH, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW DICTATES.

WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION. UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THE TIMING OF WHEN EVERYTHING IS DUE INTO THE PACKET, FOR THAT MEETING, IT WON'T BE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT EVENING BUT I SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT THAT NIGHT.

IT WON'T BE REFLECTED IN THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE PROBABLY.

THAT'S THE PLAN, WILL ALSO PRESENT THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

WHICH WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT WE HOPE TO ISSUE SOME OF THE DEBT. SO WE WILL BE TRYING TO ROLL SOME OF THE IT'S THE BUDGET ALREADY.

YOU KNOW WITH SOME ANTICIPATION OF THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, AS WE DO THE TAX RATE CALCULATION, KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON THE DEBT AT THE NEXT MEETING COULD IMPACT SOME OF THAT IF WE DO ROAD BONDS.

BECAUSE OF TAX SUPPORTED. WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE MADE THEY WILL IMPACT THE BUDGET. WE WILL COME BACK NEXT MEETING AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME WHAT INFORMATION YOU NEED, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL. THE CITY MANAGER OR MYSELF AND

WE WILL PROVIDE WHAT YOU NEED. >> THANK YOU.

[10. Executive Session]

BEFORE WE START THAT IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS I LIKE TO PULL OUT 10.4 AND 10.5 INTO THE OPEN.

>> UNCOMFORTABLE TEMPLATE FOR BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE 10.5 STAY IN EXECUTIVE. IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS IT OUT HERE AFTER WE HAVE A DISCUSSION IN EXECUTIVE, I AM FINE WITH THAT.

BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE ANY DETAILS OF WHAT THIS IS

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EXECUTIVE. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL HAVE, WE NEED A SECOND FOR A VOTE.

TAKING 10.4 AND 10.5 OUT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO PULL

10.4 AND 10.5 OUT OF EXECUTIVE. >> CAN WE DO IT SEPARATE THOUGH? I AM FINE WITH 10.4.

>> SAYS TEMPLATE FOR SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE MAYOR,

DOES HE HAVE THE RIGHT? >> YET.

>> HE COULD JUST DECLARE? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE A SECOND TO PULL

OUT TEMPLATE FIVE? >> I WILL SECOND.

>> MOTION HAS CHANGED TO JUST 10.5?

>> I HAVE THE RIGHT TO PULL OUT 10.42.

SO 10.4 AND 10.5. >> I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WAS THE MOTION? >> 10.4 AND 10.5 OUT.

MOTION BY MAYOR SNYDER, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION FAILS. THREE ÃFOUR.

WE WILL JUST PULL ITEM 10.4 OUT.

DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 REGARDING A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AGAINST THE MAYOR UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, SECTION 2(N), VIOLATIONS OF PROTOCOLS.

>> WE WILL TRY THIS AGAIN. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT I WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AS COUNCIL REGARDING UNANIMOUSLY PASSED PROTOCOLS ALSO SPECIFIC RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE ALSO UNANIMOUSLY VOTED ON AND APPROVAL.

ALL OF US HERE KNOW THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE IN EXECUTIVE AND THEN, THERE WAS ALSO A FOLLOW-UP COMMENT WITH AN APOLOGY WHICH I DID APPRECIATE. BUT THE COMMENT THAT WAS REPEATED OUT HERE WAS FAR MORE HUMILIATING AND EMBARRASSING THAN THE ONE THAT WAS MADE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I WANTED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

THE TOPIC OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BY THE MAYOR IN A VERY, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORD. IN A FASHION THAT WAS SOMETHING NOT TO BE TOLERATED THAT IF ANY OF US DO NOT DISCUSS IT, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEONE COULD LOSE THEIR SEAT ON COUNSEL, THAT IS HOW EXTREME THIS RESOLUTION PASSAGE WAS.

THE SAME NIGHT THAT THE COMMENTS WERE MADE, THERE WAS ALSO SOME BEHAVIOR TOWARDS NOW MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, REGARDING THE NOMINATION VOTING THAT IN MY OPINION, WAS PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. AND THIS IS MY OPINION.

IT WAS BORDERLINE HARASSMENT BASED ON CRITERIA.

THE QUESTION I WAS FACED WITH, I KNOW BY PURSUING THIS, WITH THE DELEGATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA WILL GIVE ME.

I'M NOT ONE THAT BACKS DOWN OUT OF FEAR.

SO BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE POSITION OF THE COUNSELORS TAKE ON THE RESOLUTIONS AND PROTOCOLS, THAT NO MATTER WHO IS IN VIOLATION, NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT WITHOUT FEAR OF RETALIATION. WHICH LEADS US TO 10.5.

I WILL CONTINUE THIS DANCE. I WILL CONTINUE TO CALL IT WHAT IT IS. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO START PUTTING TEETH BEHIND WHAT WE SAY WE ARE GOING TO DO AND

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AND WE NEED TO START DETERMINING WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.

AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, I ASK THAT WE ALL DO THIS IN A RESPECTFUL WAY, FOLLOWING ALL THE EXPECTATIONS THAT AGAIN, WE UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO HOLD AND FOLLOW.

>> ARBERY THAT THEY WERE INAPPROPRIATE.

AND THE WAY IT WAS SAID BACK THERE DURING A COUNCIL MEETING, DURING EXECUTIVE AMONG OTHER COUNSEL PEOPLE, AND THAT IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR AND SAID, IN SPECIFICITY AGAIN VERSUS JUST A BLANKET APOLOGY, NOT NECESSARILY ADDING ANOTHER ELEMENT OF SHAME TO IT, SEEMED TO ALMOST BE A MOCKERY.

THEN I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THE MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN, JUST THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS GOING ABOUT WITH MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON.

I FEEL STRONGLY VIOLATES OUR COUNCIL EXPECTATIONS.

I FULLY AGREE. >> 01 COMMENT ABOUT THE INTERACTION WITH MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AND I PEERED AT NO POINT DID ANYBODY INTERRUPT EACH OTHER, NOBODY RAISED THEIR VOICE, I MADE A STATEMENT AS I REMEMBER THE MAYOR PRO TEM CITY THERE IS A MISCHARACTERIZATION I ASKED WHICH PART.

ONE COUNCILMEMBER CALL THE ROLL WILL BREAKING FOR RESPECT AND POINT OF ORDER AND WE STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT.

TO HIT ME WITH A MISCHARACTERIZATION, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW I NECESSARILY SAID THOSE THINGS AS I REMEMBER THEM INCORRECTLY.

THE PROCESS OF EVEN DISCUSSING IT GOT SHUT DOWN.

AND SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

AS FAR AS HE APOLOGY, I MEAN, I GET IT.

NO ONE IS HAPPY WITH THE WAY APOLOGIZED IF I DIDN'T APOLOGIZE IF I DID NOT APOLOGIZE A CERTAIN WAY, I WILL STILL BE HERE. I MADE A DEROGATORY COMMENT, I WILL NOT DISMISS OR EXCUSE THAT.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT WHEN I TRIED UP TO BRING UP THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT OVERALL, WE NEED A MORE GLOBAL WAY OF HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OF THE LAST TWO OR THREE MINUTES HAS BEEN DIFFERENT. IT DOESN'T EXCUSE ME MAKING A DEROGATORY COMMENT. BUT I MEAN, I APOLOGIZE AND I'M HERE TO SAMSARA DID NOT APOLOGIZE IN A MANNER THAT DIDN'T MAKE PEOPLE, THEY THOUGHT I WAS MAKING A MOCKERY OF IT. IF YOU THOUGHT I CAME OUT HERE TO SAY THAT WHAT I SAID, THAT WAS SOMEHOW MAKING LIGHT OF IT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I COME OUT IN THREE YEARS AND APOLOGIZED ABOUT ANYTHING? I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER DONE THAT BEFORE SO I WAS TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO SAY. >> I CAN ADDRESS THE SECOND ISSUE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP BETWEEN ME AND THE MAYOR.

AT THE TIME, THAT NIGHT I WAS PRETTY TAKEN BACK BY WHAT HAD BEEN SAID. I FELT LIKE IT WAS A GROSS MISCHARACTERIZATION OF A PRIVATE CONVERSATION THE MAYOR NIGHT HAD A WEEK OR SO PRIOR. I FELT THE COMMENTS WERE BREAKING SEVERAL EXPECTATIONS THAT COMMENTS WERE MADE WERE ACCUSATORY TOWARD ME. THAT'S HOW I TOOK THOSE.

I FELT LIKE THE STATEMENTS WERE MADE FOCUSED MORE ON THE PERSON RATHER THAN THE PROBLEM. FOCUSING MORE ON THINGS THAT I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SAID VERSUS THE PROCESS OF NOMINATING THE MAYOR PRO TEM, I FELT IT WAS BACK CHANNELING BECAUSE WE HAD A PRIVATE CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMETHING IF ULTA GOT TWISTED

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I HAVE SINCE MOVED ON. I'M GOOD! THE MAYOR AND I HAVE REALLY NOT SAT DOWN AND DISCUSSED IT.

MAYBE THE FUTURE WE CAN. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS A NEED TO REHASH WHAT HAPPENED. I'M GOOD.

I THINK THE MAYOR AND I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

AS MARY AND MAYOR PRO TEM, THE COUNCIL VOTED TO ASSIGN US TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE CO-OP.

I THINK WE HAD A GREAT MEETING AND WE WORKED WELL TOGETHER.

I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WELL TOGETHER.

I THINK SOME OF THE STRENGTH THAT HE HAS HER WEAKNESSES OF MINE AND VICE VERSA. I THINK WE CAN KIND OF UTILIZE THE FOR THE CITY. I AM GOOD.

>> I THINK OVERALL THE COUNCIL HAS COME REALLY FAR IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. I REALLY THINK WITH THE PARTICLES, WITH RETREATS, SOME PATIENCE BY THE CITY MANAGER.

WE HAVE COME REALLY FAR. I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, OR MAYBE SOME THINGS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. WILL HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE SPETHIS. I THINK THAT NIGHT WAS VERY CHARGED. IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY EMOTIONAL NIGHT, IF YOU WILL. I THINK BRINGING THAT IN AND HIGHLIGHTING THOSE TWO THINGS IN THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, AND REALLY BRINGING THIS FORWARD IS NOT NECESSARILY TO BE UGLY OR -- IT IS SIMPLY WANTING TO MAKE SURE THE PATTERN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE AND A SAYING THAT YES, WE HAVE THESE EXPECTATIONS OF OURSELVES, AND THEN NOT FOLLOWING THEM, THAT IT DOES GET CALLED OUT.

I THINK IT IS, IT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY FROM YOUR PEERS AND OTHER MEMBERS. THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

IN GENERAL, I FEEL GOOD GOT CALLED OUT, EVEN IN THE MOMENT IT GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS VIOLATING THE PROTOCOL.

AND THAT'S HOW I FELT A LOT OF US, MAJORITY OF US FELT APPEAR.

THE OTHER ISSUE, IT IS NOT SOLELY JUST ABOUT THE APOLOGY, IT'S THAT THE DEROGATORY STATEMENT WAS EVEN MADE.

IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION DURING A MEETING, AND THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE JUST IS NOT OKAY. AND YES, IT IS DEFINITELY A PERSONAL, COULD THE APOLOGY BUT BETTER OR WORSE? THAT'S NOT REALLY HERE NOR THERE.

I DO THINK IS NECESSARY THERE COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON WANTED THIS UP IS JUST HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE FOR THINGS WE SAID WERE IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE OUTLINED AND IF WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THEM, THEN THEY NEED TO BE CALLED OUT.

AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR IS ALL FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND I THINK IT IS MORE OR LESS WHY THIS NEEDED TO BE A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD, TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THESE SERIOUSLY. AGAIN, I THINK IS ANOTHER REASON WHY IT WAS PUT INTO EXECUTIVE.

IT WASN'T TO FURTHER SHAME OR BE UGLY OR TO CONTINUE THE ARGUMENT BUT JUST TO SAY, THESE THINGS HAPPEN, AGAINST THEIR

EXPECTATIONS AND IT'S NOT OKAY. >> CAN I SAY ONE THING? THIS WAS MY FIRST NIGHT ON COUNCIL AND I WAS SHOCKED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WHATEVER HAPPENED.

BUT I FELT LIKE MY ONLY OPINION, LIKE I SAID WAS NOT A PARTY, I WAS NOT THE OFFENDER BUT JUST BEING THERE WAS THAT THE ONLY ISSUE, SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN BUT ONCE IT DID, YOU DON'T REPEAT THE EXACT WORDS SAID IN THE PUBLIC.

YOU CAN APOLOGIZE BUT YOU DON'T REPEAT.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE DOING IT TWICE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAD SERIOUS ISSUES WITH.

NOT THAT THE OTHER WASN'T A PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH BUT THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE FORWARD BUT THEN IT'S LIKE YOU RIPPED THE BANDAGE OFF AND OPENED THE WIND AGAIN. ONE HOUR AFTER WE RESULTED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. YOU COULD'VE JUST SAID I DID SOMETHING AND I APOLOGIZE. IF OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW AND YOU WANT TO PROBABLY TELL THEM, THAT'S ON YOU BUT I DON'T THINK YOU REPEAT THE NEGATIVE THING THAT HAPPENED IN THE HEAT OF A MOMENT DURING DISCUSSION BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

WE ARE HUMAN, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT MULTIPLE TIMES.

I THINK THAT THE ISSUE HAD WITH THE SITUATION.

I THINK SINCE THAT ONE NIGHT, IS THE ONLY MOMENT I'VE EVER SEEN A PROBLEM SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

I THINK WE'VE GOT BETTER EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

I JUST WANTED PUT IT BEHIND US AND MOVE ON.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH. IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AND

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>> I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND TO ME, IT REALLY WAS THE PUBLIC, THAT WAS THE HARDEST ONE TO TAKE.

BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD RESOLVED IT.

BUT AGAIN, FOR ME IT IS HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? I THINK THINGS HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD, WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WELL. THE POINT OF ORDER ACTUALLY CALLED ON EXPECTATIONS DURING THE SITUATION TO DRAW ATTENTION WITH EXPECTATIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO DRAG YOU INTO IT AS IF THERE WAS A RIFT BETWEEN YOU GUYS BUT JUST AN EXAMPLE OF BEHAVIOR THAT WE WERE WITNESSING AND EXPERIENCING THE VIOLATIONS OF ALL THE THINGS WE SAY WE STAND BEHIND.

AND THAT IS INTEGRITY. WE STAND BEHIND WHAT WE SAY AND WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND WHAT WE AGREED TO.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY CONSEQUENCES.

I JUST THOUGHT, LET'S JUST HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

I'M FINE WITH IT OUT HERE ARE BACK THERE.UT MOVING FORWARD, HOW WE HANDLE THIS IN THE FUTURE? ARE WE JUST GOING TO IGNORE EVERYTHING AND LET THINGS GO THE WAY THEY WERE SIX MONTHS AGO? OR JUST REALLY YOU KNOW, ADHERE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS FAR AS PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATION ON THE DAIS AND PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY. THAT WAS THAT.

I JUST REALLY WANT US ALL TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE PERSON AND THEN CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER PERSON.

THEN VIOLATING SO LET'S JUST ALL GET OUT.

>> IS THERE MORE ON THE ITEM? SORRY, YOU JUST HAVE TO YELL IT

UP. >> YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO MISS ME RAISING MY HAND. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY.

LET ME COMPLEMENT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

FOR BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IN THE MANNER THAT YOU HAD IT TIGHT. I KNOW IT WAS NOT AN EASY DISCUSSION AND YOU HANDLED IT WELL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS, I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN HONORABLE JOB WITH THAT. I WILL SAY SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO IN YOUR NEW MANAGER GETS IN PLACE, YOU WILL KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO SCHEDULE SOME TIME FOR A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. WE WERE NOT QUITE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT IT'S PROBABLY PAST TIME FOR A CHECKUP AND HAVING A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. THAT WAY CONNECTION WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS UNDER COURT ROOM, COMPLEMENT CELLS FOR THE PROGRESS YOU MAY BUT ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO WHERE YOU WANT TO BE AND WHAT THINGS YOU WANT TO IMPROVE ON.

SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU WHEN YOU GET THERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BUT YOU MOVED A LONG WAY AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU GOT A LOT OF CHALLENGES AND YOU KNOW, WE SPENT LIKE THREE HOURS OR SOMETHING ON THE CIP TONIGHT. WHICH WAS NOT AS LONG AS I, LONGER THAN I WANTED TO SPEND ON IT BUT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON THAT. YOU KNOW, $300 MILLION, WHETHER YOU CUT IT TO 250 WHATEVER WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND TIME AND FOCUS ON THAT. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY AND REMOVING TO DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WANTED TO COMPLEMENT YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. IF THE COUNCIL COULD TAKE JUST A MINUTE AND READ PAGE 274 OF THE PACKET.

I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO TALK ABOUT 10.5 OUT

IN THE PUBLIC. >> I THINK WE ALL VOTED

AGAINST. >> AGAINST THE MOTION TABLE 10.4 AND 10.5 OUT. I'M JUST ASKING IF EVERYONE COULD READ THAT PARTICULAR -- BECAUSE I PLAN TO MAKE A MOTION TO PULL JUST 10.5 OUT, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT ONE.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 2M? >> I THINK IT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE REVIEWING.

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>> OBJECTION. >> IF THERE IS NO SECOND IT

WILL DIE. >> SECOND.

>> I FEEL IT WAS PROBABLY PUT IN EXECUTIVE FOR A REASON.

NOBODY ELSE APPEAR BESIDES THE MAYOR KNOWS WHAT THE REASON IS.

I FEEL GIVES A SMART MOVE TO MOVE IT TO EXECUTIVE AND KEEP IT THAT WAY. IF IT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEN WE CAN COME BACK NEXT MEETING.

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING?> SURE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEM IS ABOUT BUT I THINK IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2M, I'M GUESSING IT SAYS 074 BUT I'M GUESSING IS 071 TO CONSULT WITH ATTORNEY. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT CHANGES TO THIS PARAGRAPH OR --

>> HAVE NO LEGAL QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHY I THINK AT SOME POINT, PEOPLE HAVE TO TRUST. I CAN SAY THIS, IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME I MAKE THE COMING TO THE PUBLIC, IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU THINK IT IS GOING DIFFERENT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK IT WILL BE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT'S FINE. BUT IT IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ON HERE. THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE ALL THE TIME, IF THE ATTORNEY PUT SOMETHING SOMEWHERE I JUST --

BUT. >> WHO PUT THIS ON HERE?

WHO ADDED THIS? >> A CONVERSATION BASED ON THE

PREVIOUS MEETING. >> BUT WHO REQUESTED IT TO BE

ON HERE? >> ONE OF THE TALKING POINTS I HAD, THIS IS WHAT WAS PUT ON HERE AND I LEFT IT.

>> TALKING POINTS ON MY ITEM THAT HAD THE TYPO WAS WRONG SO

WE HAD TO BRING MY ITEM BACK. >> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

YOUR ITEM. >> AT THE TIME IT DID.

>> I WOULD RATHER LEAVE IT IN EXECUTIVE.

IT'S ALREADY COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING.

>> I'LL JUST TELL YOU, I HAVE NO QUALMS AT ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC AFTER I'VE HEARD IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WAS ABOUT.

>> IT IS ABOUT PARAGRAPH M. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE GO BACK THERE I WANT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BECAUSE IS ABOUT PARAGRAPH M. AND SO, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS PARAGRAPH THAT WARRANTS US GOING BACK TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION OF CHRISTIAN.WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS BEING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF IT IS NOT LEGAL?

>> IT IS NOT FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND THERE IS NONE.

IF WE JUST TALK ABOUT CHANGING PARAGRAPH M, PROPOSED CHANGES, AND THERE IS NO LEGAL QUESTIONS, THERE IS NO BASIS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO TALK GENERALLY ABOUT THIS

PARAGRAPH. >> GIULIETTI WAS REQUESTED TO REPORT ON THE AGENDA, WAS THE REASONING BEHIND WHITE NEEDED TO GO ON THE AGENDA? AND IF NOT, WHY IS IT ON THE

AGENDA? >> IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AS A TYPO. YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS A TYPO LAST MEETING. CORRECT? AND SO I THINK MAYBE IT JUST GOT CARRIED OVER.

I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU CAN ADVISE US.

>> WHO REQUESTED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA?

>> BASED ON A CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST MEETING, DOTTIE PUT THE ITEM ON HERE AS AN INSTANCE OF SOMETHING I HAD SAID, AND

HAD BROUGHT UP. >> WE CAN GO BACK AND WATCH

THE TAPE. >> YOU ARE TALKING IN CIRCLES.

>> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TRUST ME.

IF SOMEONE HAS A LEGAL THING THAT WE GO BACK BUT IF NOT WE HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHT TO GO BACK THERE.

I DON'T HAVE A LEGAL THING. >> YOU CAN'T CHANGE AGENDA.

>> YOU CAN ALWAYS PULL IT UP HERE.

>> THE SUBJECT MATTER IS ON THE AGENDA.>> TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER TECHNICALITY. WE HAD TO HAVE, WE HAD TO POSTPONE IT BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERNEATH THE WRONG LETTER.

SO THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION, WOULDN'T IT HAVE TO BE REPOSTED ON THE SAME TECHNICALITY THAT LAST TIME? THE WRONG LETTER FOR THE WRONG

NUMBER? >> I THINK THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. LAST TIME WE WERE REFERENCING A COMPLETE DIFFERENT PARAGRAPH. WHERE THIS IS ON THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PUBLICLY OPPOSED TO 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE.

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>> AND I HAVE A VOTE? >> YES.

>> MOTION IS TO BRING 10.5 OUT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM?

>> I DON'T SEE HOW THIS ISN'T THE SAME BOAT WE HAD BEFORE.

YOUR RENEWAL YOU COULD PULL TEMPLATE FOR OUT AUTOMATICALLY WITH NO VOTE. THEN YOU MADE IT BOTH EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE AN IT WAS VOTED DOWN.

>> I'LL JUST RESEND THAT. I'M TRYING TO GET IN BEFORE MIDNIGHT. I WILL JUST RESEND IT.

WE WILL GO BACK TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IT IS 11:05 PM1. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SEC. 551.071 RELATED TO PENDING LITIGATION, PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS. 2. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.087 AND 551.072 REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS IN AND AROUND THE MEGASITE AND CONSIDERATION AND CONVEYANCE OF ASSIGNMENT AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENTS CONVEYING OPTION TO PURCHASE REAL PROPERTY AGREEMENTS TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 3. EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS: CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE - CITY MANAGER, INTERIM CITY MANAGER. 5.

DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.074 RELATING TO COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, SECTION 2(M), USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA

DURING THE MEETING. >> THAT WHAT IS 071.

>> ITEM 6. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS IN BROOKLANDS SUBDIVISION; INCLUDING POTENTIAL LITIGATION FOR REPAIR OF CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS.

THE >> IS 5:59 AM WE ARE BACK EXECUTIVE SESSION, NO ACTION

[11. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]

-- USE OF DIGITAL MEDIA DURING A MEETING.

>> DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOM VOTE TO PULL IT BACK?

IS IT L IN? >> OKAY.

>> AFTER THE LAST MEETING, LAST WEEK, ONE POINT I READ THIS OUT SOME PEOPLE REACHED OUT AND ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THAT FROM A CITY COUNCIL STANDPOINT, WE HAVE THIS IN HERE. SOME PEOPLE RESIST THAT WE CAN'T BE TYPING, WE CANNOT USE OUR PHONES, SEND EMAILS AND OBVIOUSLY IN SOCIAL MEDIA. WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT AS I AM TALKING, IF THE MAYOR PRO TEM IS TYPING ON THE COMPUTER AND STUFF, PEOPLE MAY ASSUME BY SAYING THAT, THAT HE IS SENDING TEXT MESSAGES OR EMAILS OR SOMETHING.

SO WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT AND BRING THIS BACK UP TO HAVE IT ADJUSTED BUT THAT WAS MY POINT IN BRINGING IT UP.

PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT, NOT THE USUAL PEOPLE THAT REACH OUT ABOUT THINGS, JUST PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC.

THAT IS ALL THIS IS ABOUT. >> I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

NOW UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS, I JUST, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE AND NOT ASSUME IF WE ARE TYPING ON THE COMPUTER THAT WE ARE SENDING EMAILS OR TEXT MESSAGES OR POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. CERTAINLY, IF THEY SEE SOMETHING POST, POP UP ON MY COUNCIL FACEBOOK PAGE.

BUT I USE IT FOR NOTES AND REMINDERS OF SOMETHING COMES UP DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING. LIKE WHEN THE MAYOR SAID HE WANTED TO INVITE US ALL TO THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS THING.

I PULLED UP THE REMINDER AND SET A REMINDER IN MY CALENDAR SO I WOULD NOT FORGET. THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

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BUT YOU KNOW, I GUESS JUST, WE ASKED THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE THAT WE MAY NOT BE DOING WHAT YOU THINK WE ARE DOING ON THE

COMPUTER IF WE ARE TYPING. >> I JUST DON'T WANT A PIA REQUEST EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE.

BECAUSE AT SOME POINT FOR THE ORDINANCE.

>> MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING IT UP TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF ADJUSTING IT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM 11.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SEC. 551.071 RELATED TO PENDING LITIGATION, PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS.

ANYTHING THERE? 11.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT SECTION 551.074, PERSONNEL MATTERS: CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT, DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE - CITY MANAGER, INTERIM CITY MANAGER. ANYTHING THERE?

>> WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THE DATES.

>> NO. 11.3, ANYTHING THERE, DO I NEED TO READ THAT? WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING, UNLESS THERE ARE NO OTHER MEANS.

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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.