10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments. (City Council)

[10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments. (City Council)]

>> MAYOR SNYDER. >> NAY.

ITEM 10.1, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMAYFLYS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPS RIGHTSES AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIASONS AND

APPOINTMENTS. >> WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY APPLICATIONS OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS.

WE'RE STILL SEEKING APPLICATIONS FOR THE PARKS BOARD.

I THINK WE HAVE TWO OPENINGS FOR THE PARKS BOARD STILL.

WE HAVE I THINK THREE OPENINGS FOR ADA.

IS THAT CORRECT? ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, I THINK WE HAVE 5, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK IF WE HAVE ANY OTHERS.

DNI HAS ONE, OKAY. JUST FYI IF EVERYONE IS INTERESTED IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY, GO TO THE CITY'S

WEBSITE AND APPLY. >> FIVE ON BZA?

>> YEAH. FEED SOME HELP THERE.

>> THAT CAN HOLD UP PROJECTS. >> YEAH, THEY CAN'T MEET.

[10.2. Consideration and possible action regarding traffic plan and possible opening of Main Street access to Durango Farms Subdivision. (Matt Wojnowski)]

ALL RIGHT. NO OTHER ACTION, WE'LL MOVE TO 150.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING TRAFFIC PLAN AND POSSIBLE OPENING OF MAIN STREET ACCESS TO DURANGO FARMS SUBDIVISION.

I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. WOULD YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND THEN SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW AND THEN -- NOW? OKAY.

FIRST WE HAVE ROB PEAK. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT WILL GO TO YELLOW AND AT RED YOUR TIME IS UP. COUNCIL MAY ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY INTERACT.

>> OKAY. I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND THE CONCERN, AGAIN, IS MAIN STREET TO UNLOCK THE GAIT AT MAIN STREET. WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE, THERE WERE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT IT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL DOING THE BUILDOUT IN DURANGO FARMS. COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON YOU WENT TO THE POINT TO ALMOST GUARANTEE CONTRADICTION TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH WHILE BUILDING WAS GONE ON. NOW THE CONCERN IS STAFF OPENING IT UP WITH ENHANCED POLICE MONITORING, BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THREE YEARS.

FOR THREE YEARS, THE STAFF HAS HAD A CHANCE TO PLAN AND PUT MITT GAUSSIAN IN PLACE SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE PROBE AS TOO WHY THE MITIGATION CAN'T GET DONE.

THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW FROM OUR CITY STAR,

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ARE THERE SOME RELIGIOUS OBJECTS TO TRAFFIC MITIGATIONS? OR ARE STOP SIGNS PROHIBITIVELY COSTLY? MY PREFERENCE IS THAT TRAFFIC MITIGATION IS IN PLACE BEFORE YOU OPEN UP MAIN STREET TO THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH.

SEEMS TO BE THE MOST REASONABLE ONE WOULD BE FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, ROB. >> JACOB, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MATT? >> MAJOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M HERE BEFORE YOU ABOUT THE JUNE 2ND COUNCIL MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE BARRICADES.

THE CITY RECEIVES CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS WHO WANTED TO OPEN THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN DONE ON THE HOMES THERE.

WE DID REMOVE THE BARRICADES, HOWEVER, GATED WITH A LOCK SO THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULD ACCESS TO AREA.

STAFF DID MEET, MYSELF, THE POLICE CHIEF AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND DISCUSSED IT AND I THINK WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS WOULD BE, WE FELT IT WOULD BE BEST TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR 60, 90 DAYS AND THEN MAKE CHANGES TO THE AREA. I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE DID SEE TRAFFIC -- IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL SOONER THAN THE 90 DAYS, I CERTAINLY WOULD OR IF THERE'S ACTION WE CAN TAKE IMMEDIATELY WE WOULD DO THAT IF THERE ARE TRAFFIC CONCERNS REGARDING THAT. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED WHAT IS ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT MEAN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THAT JUST MEANS INCREASED PATROL OFFICERS NIGHT AND DAY IN THE AREA. ALSO MONITORING THEIR SPEED VIA RADAR. ALSO WITH THE TRAFFIC TRAY LORE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS, WHICH ALSO CAN GIVE US TRAFFIC COUNTS IN THE AREA ONCE IT'S BACK UP.

THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION OF THIS AREA REGARDING THE TRAFFIC.

HOPE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I ALSO HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HERE AND POLICE CHIEF AS WELL WHO CAN HELP ANSWER ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS. >> WE'LL LET THE OTHER PUBLIC

COMMENT GO FIRST. >> JACOB, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR AFTER COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

>> ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS WAS ONCE WE OPEN THIS UP AND SOME OF THE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, IS THERE A SEPARATE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OR DO THEY COME OFF THERE ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION

BEGINS. >> WE KNOW PER ORDINANCE ALREADY WHERE THE READWAY SHOULD AVOID FRONT STREET, WEST STREET, MAIN STREET AND EAST STREET AND ALSO FM 1660 NORTH TO U.S. 79.

THAT'S WHERE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS ON THE TRUCK

TRAFFIC THAT'S PROHIBITED. >> BASED ON THAT, THEY CAN'T GET THERE AT ALL. EITHER THEY COME IN -- I'M SORRY IF I'M SPEAK OUT OF TURN BUT BASED ON THAT THEY COME THROUGH OLD TOWN OR MAJOR AND THAT PUTS THEMOR AND THAT PUTS THEYOR AND THAT PUTS THEM ON 1660.

>> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME NORTH AND DOWN 1660 IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I THINK IT'S LEMER TO 1660 AND DOWN ASK SUPPOSED TO BE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT, CHIEF?

>> TRAFFIC IS DESIGNATED TO COME IN JUST AS YOU STATED, THEY COME FROM LEMMER LUKE AND COME DOWN 1660 SOUTH AND WE HAVE REGULAR PATROLS. IN FACT, MYSELF AND THE LIEUTENANT WERE OUT A FEW DAYS AGO JUST MONITORING AND ANY TIME WE CATCH A VEHICLE THAT WE BELIEVE MAY BE IN THE AREA WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION OR NO PERMISSIBLE PURPOSE TO MAKE DELIVERIES, WE WILL MONITOR OR FOLLOW THOSE VEHICLES AND IF THEY DO THE PASS THROUGH FROM LEMMER TO 79, WE WILL MAKE THE TRAFFIC STOPS. WE HAVE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE SEE THEM COMING IN SOUTH FROM LEMMER LOOP AND THEY TURN INTO DURANGO FARMS. THAT'S THE DESIGNATED LOCATION

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THAT WE HAVE SEEN. >> DO WE STILL CURRENTLY ONLY

HAVE ONE TRAFFIC TRAILER? >> YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT INVESTING IN A SECOND BECAUSE, AGAIN, WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE DEMAND TO GET DATA ON WHAT LOCATIONS ARE IN NEED OF OR OUR PAIN POINTS, WE WANT TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.

>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY KNOCK AGAINST YOU OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT THERE ARE SO MANY CONSTRUCTION AREAS GOING ON.

I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF SKEAN CALLS FROM JUST ABOUT EVERY CORNER OF HUTTOCALLS FROM CORNER OF HUTTO SO WHEN I SAY I KNEE THE NEED IS SO GREAT AND WIDE, IT SOUNDS GREAT IN THEORY BUT I DON'T KNOW IN PRACTICALITY IF OLD TOWN AND MAIN STREET IN PARTICULAR WOULD GET THAT SOLE ATTENTION.

THAT'S A LOT TO PUT ON YOU GUYS AND YOUR DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THAT ESPECIALLY ONLY HAVING ONE TRAFFIC TRAILER, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, EMORY FARMS HAVE ISSUES, OLD TOWN HAS ISSUES AND THOSE ARE JUST ONES I KNOW ABOUT.

ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT SOUNDS FANTASTIC BUT I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN I SAY

THAT. >> NO, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE FEELING THE PAIN AND PUBLIC WORKS IS FEELING THE PAIN AND THE CITY IS FEELING THE STRAIN OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THE DEDICATED TRAFFIC DIVISION AND THAT WOULD BE THEIR SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS, HANDLING THAT, SO OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE WORKING PATROL CAN HANDLE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING FROM CALL TO CALL AT THIS POINT. WE'LL HAVE TO STAY ON THAT.

THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, OUR COMMAND STAFF, WE'RE OUT DOING THE SAME THING, WORKING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, INCREASING

VISIBILITY. >> I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I JUST DON'T WANT THE CITY TO THEN PUT A NEGATIVE LIGHT ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE Y'ALL AREN'T DOING THE ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

>> SO DURING THE BEFORE WE COME TO COUNCIL WE MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND DISCUSS THE AGENDA ITEMS AND I BROUGHT UP THIS THING ABOUT THE STOP SIGNS AND PUTTING THEM IN AND UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT I WAS EXPLAINED, WE HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND IF THE ROAD IS CLOSED YOU CAN'T DO THE STUDY.

IF THE ROAD IS CLOSED YOU DON'T NEED A STOP SIGN SO IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG KIND OF THING AND THERE ARE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO PUTTING A STOP SIGN SO THAT'S WHY THE CITY STAFF IS ASKING FOR THE 90 DAYS TO DO THAT. I UNDERSTAND SOME RESIDENTS ARE FRUSTRATED THAT IT'S NOT ALREADY IN PLACE BUT THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATIVE REASONS WHY WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

THE ONE OPTION THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY IS IF MAYBE WE CAN PUT A YIELD SIGN BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE STUDY, SO THAT MAYBE COULD BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THE 90 DAYS, BUT I'M NOT SURE. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT

THAT. >> YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

THAT'S ONE THAT MR. WAYNE WATTS WOULD BE A DIGITI MASUBJECT MATT

ON MORE THAN I AM. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST IS ON THIS VOTE I DO HAVE MY RECUSAL AFFIDAVIT IF COUNCIL BELIEVES I WAS RECUSE MYSELF. DURANGO FARMS IS WHAT BROUGHT ME INTO CITY HALL. I DID TALK TO DOTTIE.

THERE'S NO LEGAL REASON I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT ARE VERY DEEP CONCERN FOR ME.

OLD TOWN IS A VERY QUIET COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC. THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.

THE ROAD CONDITION IS HIDEOUS. THE ENTRANCE COMING INTO MAIN IS

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OBSCURE. EAST WOULD BE EASIER.

AT THE YOON MEETING, I BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT UNTIL WE HAD MITIGATION TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, THAT WE WOULDN'T APPROVEJ OPENINGAPPROVEJOPENING THEAPPRO OPENING THE GATES. THE LOCKS WERE UP AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS WATCHED OUT MY KITCHEN WINDOW TRUCKS GO THROUGH YARDS AND CULVERTS LOST ON HOW TO GET TO DURANGO ONCE THEY FIND OUT THAT'S OPEN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE BUS STOPS AND I DON'T WANT TO NOT LOOK AT THE IMPACT OUR NUM NEIGHBORS IN DURANGO AR EXPERIENCING.

I DON'T WANT TO GET ON 1660 EITHER.

THEY'RE OBEYING THE STOP SIGNS WE HAVE BUT WE DON'T HAVE STOP SIGNS ON MAIN OR EAST. BUSES COME IN AND PRETTY MUCH BLOCK THE WHOLE ROAD SO THAT'S MY CONCERN BUT I UNDERSTAND WITH SCHOOL STARTING, BUSES NEED TO GET THROUGH, PICK UP THOSE CHILDREN, GET THEM TO MIDDLE SCHOOL AND NOT TO DIGRESS WHICH I AM DOING AND WE START TEARING UP LEMMER AND 1660, THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A WHOLE OTHER MESS. WHILE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND THE SPEEDS AND EVERYTHING COMING THROUGH OLD TOWN, I STILL THINK WE NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I ASKED, WHEN WE TALK LATER ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE, DURANGO FARMS SPEASEDLY DID A TIA BUT NO ONE HAS SEEN IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS EVALUATED AND SOME OF THIS PROBABLY FELL UNDER THEIR RESPONSIBILITY ANYWAY AS A DEVELOPER.

I'M CORN AND I WANT TO ASK COUNCIL IF Y'ALL THINK I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE, I WILL ABSOLUTELY RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE SINCE I'M JUST A BLOCK AWAY FROM MAIN STREET AND EAST AND I'M SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT I FEEL LIKE WHEN IT CAME TO US THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, IT WAS DOWN THE ROAD NOT WE'RE COMING DOWN IN TWO MONTHS AND PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH.

I STOOD AT THAT PODIUM AND SAID UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN OR GET STOP SIGNS, THIS SHOULDN'T BE OPEN, SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. AND DOES EVERYBODY FEEL I'M OKAY

TO VOTE? >> I'M FINE.

>> TO ME THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS ALWAYS A PERSONAL DECISION THAT YOU MAKE AFTER A CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. I WOULDN'T BRING IT UP TO LET THE COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION FOR YOU.

IF THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD.

IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOOD, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CITY FOR

THE COUNCIL. >> WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO FEEL LIKE I HAVE A PERSONAL INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA AND I

WILL RECUSE MYSELF. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS FROM YOU, CHIEF. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR MATT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

MATT, DID THE ISD ASK FOR THIS TO BE OPENED?

>> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THE ISD.

THEY WERE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

>> OKAY. >> AND THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION, WAS IT CITIZEN REQUEST TO OPEN IT OR MA PARTNER

REQUEST. >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, CITIZEN.

>> OKAY. AND JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT ROBIN SAID OR COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON.

THOSE ROADS ARE SO BAD, THEY'RE GOING TO DETERIORATE, THEY NEEDED TO BE DONE TWO YEARS AGO IF NOT MORE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PUT IN THE STOP SIGN, BUT TO KIND OF DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, WHY WOULD WE DO A STUDY WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE A FORTH BUILT.

IS THAT LIKEURTH BUILT. IS THAT LIKE A WASTE OF MONEY WHEN A THIRD OR A FOURTH IS COMPLETE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ATTORNEY ON THAT.

COULD A STOOP SIGN NOT BE PUT UP OUTSIDE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE

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EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT A STUDY?

>> ACCORDING TO THE UNIFORM MANUAL ON TRAFFIC DEVICES YOU SHOULD PERFORM A STUDY BEFORE YOU PUT UP A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE AND ISAAC CAN ANSWER THAT, TOO.

>> YOU USUALLY WANT AN ASSESSMENT BY AN ENGINEER, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE THE ADVICE IS APPROPRIATE AND NOT CAUSING OTHER PROBLEMS. IF THE CITY CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT AND PUT SOMETHING UP AND THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, NOT TO PRACTICE LAW, BUT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE SOME LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I THINK IF THE COUNCIL WOULD ALLOW US A LITTLE MORE TIME, MAYBE WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THE TRAFFIC IMPACTING THE OLD TON AREA WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SORT OF MITIGATION DEVICES TO PUT UP. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. EARP BY I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS RIGHT HERE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH DELAYING THIS.

>> I CONCUR. >> I WAS ALSO GOING TO SUGGEST THAT OPTION THAT COUNCIL JUST TABLE IT.

IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR A WHILE. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT IT SHOULD BE OPEN IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST TRAFFIC FLOW ONCE IT'S OPEN. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO JUST HAVE THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.

>> CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THE ORDINANCE OR I CAN LOOK ENTITY AS WELL IF TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED ON MAIN STREET? IT WAS CONFUSING WHEN YOU SAID THE ROADS FRCHLT A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S TIME TO CONNECT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, THESE RESIDENTS NEED MORE THAN ONE WAY IN AND OUT.

I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK IN GETTING A TRAFFIC STUDY ON TRAFFIC PATTERNS BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.

SO, OF COURSE, THAT ALSO DOES TAKE RESOURCES FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT ALSO DOES GIVE OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES BETTER ACCESS TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE CITY TAXES, THEY'RE PAYING FOR SERVICES AND THEY TAKE TWO MORE MINUTES TO GET TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO UP 1660 AND MAGER LANE TO GET UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY COULD POSSIBLY GO UP SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN IT UP.

I THINK IT'S A HAPPY MEDIUM WHAT THE CITY STAFF HAS DON'T BRINGING A HAPPY IMMEMEDIUM WIT MAIN AND NOT EAST STREET SO IF WE COULD GET CLARIFICATION OF WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE ORDINANCE

THERE. >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED BUT IF THEY HAVE A DESTINATION THEY'RE GOING TO.

LET'S SAY 1660 NORTH, TRUCKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON THERE BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE DUMP OR HAVE A DESIGNATION, THEY CAN USE IT SO THAT'S THE THE ORDINANCE.

>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> SO WHEN IS THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS OPEN BECAUSE OF THE OTHER INTERSECTION CONTRADICTION OR WAS IT JUST TO A CERTAIN

DENSITY? >> I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY TRIGGER. COUNCIL TOOK THE ACTION ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO HAVE THEM CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION

TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH. >> WE CLOSED IT BECAUSE IT

WOULDN'T START. >> I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR UP HERE ON THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE MI WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEA UP HERE ON THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG THING WHERE WE CAN'T PUT UP STOP SIGNS OR WE COULD BY IT'S ADVISED NOT TO WITHOUT DOING A TRAFFIC PLAN AND WE CAN'T DO A TRAFFIC PLAN WITHOUT THEM BEING OPEN. I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I SAW THE PLAN. NO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO OPEN IT UP BUT NOW I NEED UNDERSTAND THE WHY.

TO MAKE A TRAFFIC PLAN YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO SEE IF STOP SIGNS ARE NEEDED SO I GET THAT. FOR ME, I DON'T SEE A BEFRIEND OF OPENING ONE STREET. IF YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN THEM, YOU NEED TO HE THEM BOTH BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU WILL GET THE

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TRUE, ACCURATE REAL WORLD USAGE. IF YOU OPEN ONE, IT WOULD BE THROWN OFF. YOU WOULD HAVE DOIBL THE TRAFFIC GOING ON ONE STREET SO IN MY OPINION IF WE VOTE TO OPEN THEM UP, MY VOTE WOULD BE TO OPEN UP BOTH SO WE CAN HAVE A IN MY OPIN THEM UP, MY VOTE WOULD BE TO OPEN UP BOTH SO WE CAN HAVE A TRY, CLEA, CLEARU, CLEAE, CLEAR I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF A DOWNSIDE TO OPENING IT UP TO SEE WHAT TAKES PLACE.

IF IT'S A NIGHTMARE, WE COULD LOCK IT UP AGAIN.

IF WE DO 90 DAYS AND SEE NOTHING BUT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC AND THEY'RE ABUSING IT AND THERE'S NO WAY THE POLICE CA HANDLE IT AND MAINTAIN IT, WE DO ANOTHER VOTE AND SATE ALREADY, THIS DIDN'T WORK SO THAT COULD BE ONE WAY TO GET AN ACCURATE COUNT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. THE ENTRANCE, RIGHT NO UH THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF DURANGO FARMS IS ON MAKER, CORRECT?WAY IS ON MAKER, CORRECT? THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SECOND ENTRANCE INTO DURANGO

FARMS BETWEEN MAGER AND LEMMER. >> I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECT ENTRANCE TO THE APARTMENTS, NOT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION. I THOUGHT YOU GOT TO THE APARTMENT COME PLUCKS THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE PUD. >> I'M SEEING NO, IT'S NOT.

THE ONLY ENTRANCE ON 1660 IS MAGER AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE

PLANNED. >> I THATH THERE WAS A SECOND

ONEFUL >> YEAH, ITHOUGHT THERE WAS A S

ONE. >> YEAH, I DID, TOO.

THAT WOULD RELIEVE A LOT OF PRESSURE OFF OF THE OTHERS.

THAT WAS KIND OF MY BIGGEST QUESTION THERE, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT SECOND ENCHANCE? BECAUSE I KNOW I SAW ONE AT SOME

POINT. >> I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP RELATED TO THIS.

WITH SCHOOL STARTING NEXT WEEK, MY WIFE TEACHES AT COTTONWOOD CREEK ELEMENTARY. IF YOU DON'T OPEN THESE STREETS, THE ONLY WAY ANYONE CAN GET TO THAT SCHOOL IS GO 1660 AND LEMMER AND ADD MUCH WORSE TRAFFIC FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO CAN ONLY GO ON LEMMER. IF WE OPEN THE STREETS, THEY COULD GET TO THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL WHICH WOULD HELP, I WOULD THINK, FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.

>> IF IT WAS ME AND THAT WAS MY CHOICE I WOULD TURN RIGHT AT MAGER AND CUT THROUGH OLD TOWN ON HUTTO STREET AND GET THERE THAT WAY RATHER THAN DEALING WITH LEMMER.

THEY WILL COME THROUGH OLD TOWN >> SO THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO HAVE THE STREETS OPEN. BY YOUR OWN LOGIC THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE SAME STREETS SO WHY NOT OPEN THEM? WITH ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT, HIT THEM WITH FINES AND THEY WILL

STOP IT. >> YOU CHANGE BEHAVIOR.

THE TRAFFIC SCRUBBINGS PEOPLE ARE USED TOCONSTRUCTION PEOPLE ARE USED TO GOING A PARTICULAR WAY NOW AND THEY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. JUST BECAUSE YOU CHANGE IT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY WERE GOING.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO THE PATTERN THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED I WOULD THINK ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET A FINE FOR GOING A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.

>> ANOTHER SUGGESTION IS HEARING THE COUNCIL IS MAYBE AN INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY OF ONLY 30 DAYS AND GET RESULTS QUICKER THAN THE ENTIRE 90 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO PUT UP THE RECOMMENDED SIGNS AND THERE'S NO REASON A CONTINUED TRAFFIC STUDY COULD CONTINUE AFTER THE FACT IF THE 90 DAYS SEEMS TOO LONG TO COUNCIL.

>> WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT? >> IT WOULD BE USING EXITING

CITY RESOURCES. >> FOR ME, THERE'S TOO MUCH LACK OF CLARITY ON DURANGO AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND A LOT OF US UP HERE ARE CONFUSED.

MY UNDERSTANDING THE THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PUD AND A SECOND ENTRANCE BY THE APARTMENTS SO THERE WOULD BE

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CONNECTIVITY FOR THE FURTHER NORTH PORTION SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AND THEN FOR US TO PUT THIS ON THE POLICE OFFICERS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF SCHOOL, HOW MUCH ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET? I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY NOT AS MUCH. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS STRETCHED REALLY THIN THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

I THINK THIS SHOULD COME BACK IN A MONTH, TABLE IT FOR NOW, WE CAN GET A BETTER PICTURE AS FOR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

DID THAT TIA EVER SURFACE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO PAY FOR, SHOULD PAY FOR? AND WE COULD REVISIT AND OPEN IT UP.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. THERE'S A LOT OF WE DON'T KNOW

GOING ON RIGHT NOW. >> THE ONE POINT ABOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTING, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THAT ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS OF THE SCHOOL YEAR I SEE HPD PULLING LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE ON EXCHANGE PULLING OVER THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND YOU'RE GOING TO MISS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY HELPING WITH THAT TASK AS EVERYBODY GETS USED TO THE SCHOOL YEAR AGAIN SO I THINK DELAYING IT UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER PROBABLY MAKES SOME SENSE. THE T IA DOES EXIST.

IIA DOES EXIST. I REMEMBER READING IT AS A CITIZEN TRYING TO FOLLOW THIS PROJECT.

I THOUGHT THEY SHORTCHANGED A LOT ON OLD TOWN.

THAT'S A CUT THROUGH POINT THAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE TO GET THERE TO AVOID 1660 COMPLETELY AND GET INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT DIDN'T GET TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I THINK IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO ONLY OPEN ONE STREET AT A TIME. IN A WAY, IT'S BETTER AT THIS POINT. IF YOU ONLY OPEN ONE STREET AND FORCE MORE TRAFFIC TO IT IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO WHAT THE FINAL TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE LIKE IF YOU HAVE BOTH STREETS OPEN. YOU LOOK AT ONE AT A TIME, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IF WE DO THIS IS NOT TO REQUIRE IT TO COME BACK TO US FOR A VOTE TO RECLOSE IT. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S HANDS THAT IF THEY SEE A SAFETY ISSUE ONCE WE'VE REOPENED IT, THEY CAN CLOSE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO US BUT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST WAIT F. WE OPEN IT AND THERE'S A BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF ACCIDENTS AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HAVING TROUBLETHE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TROUBLE MAKING AN IMPACT, THEY CAN JUST CLOSE IT AND WE CAN GET THAT LOOKED AT BEFORE WE REOPEN IT. AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, THE REASON WE WENT TO PERMANENT BARRIERS IS BECAUSE ANYTHING TEMPORARY, THEY WERE DRIVING AROUND, DRIVE ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THERE WAS NO RESPECT FOR AN EFFORT TO STOP THEM UNLESS IT PHYSICALLY STOPPED THEM FROM GOING THROUGH.

AS SOON AS WE OPEN THAT BACK UP, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW QUICKLY SOMEBODY FIGURES OUT THAT THEY CAN SAVE FIVE MINUTES GOING THAT WAY AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START GOING THAT WAY.

THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING TO DRIVE THE WAY THEY HAVE ALWAYS DRIVEN ONCE THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAVE TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE TIME UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS LIKE ENFORCEMENT OR A FEW OF THEM GET TICKETS, MAYBE THEY WILL STOOP IT AFTER THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN COUNT ON CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE IF THESE ARE JUST REOPENED AT THIS POINT.

>>JUST REOPENED AT THIS POINT. >> CAN I MOTION TO HAVE THIS

TABLED? >> IF YOU WILL LET ME HAVE A FEW

COMMENTS FIRST. >> OF COURSE, SURE.

>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO FOLLOW THE HUTTO EXPECTATIONS HERE.

THE ITEM CAME UP JUNE 2ND AND THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON DIRECTING STAFF TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE BARE YOURS AND BRING BACK A PLAN BY JULY 21ST FOR OLD TOWN TO MITIGATE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AMENDED THE MOTION TO NOT OPEN UNTIL A LOCK BOX WAS INSTALLED SO I READ THIS AND IT'S LIKE A LET DOWN OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE ITEM CAME UP FOR COUNCIL TWO MONTHS AGO AND WE SAID, HEY, BY UNANIMOUS VOTE, DON'T OPEN IT UP UNTIL THERE'S A MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE. TWO MONTHS LATER, WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS, WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY DO A MITIGATION PLAN UNTIL WE OPEN IT UP, WHAT I'M NOT THE PROPOSSESSIONAL, I THINK WE

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WOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS JUNE SECOND.

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE SAID BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP, DO A STUDY AND ALL THAT.

INSTEAD WE LOST TWO MONTHS OF TIME AND WE'RE A MEET BINGED BUT WE'RE TWO MONTHSEHIND BUT WE'RE TWO MONTHS BEHIND AND NOW WE'RE TOLD WE NEED 30 TO 90 DAYS TO DO A STUDY AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE THE MITIGATION STANDARD.

IT DISAPPOINTS ME BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT MAKES A LOT OF CITIZENS UPSET. THEY FEEL LIKE SIDEWALKS TAKE TWO YEARS, A DRAINAGE DIGITING TAKES ONE YEAR AFTER ITS TORE UP AND THOUSAND WE'RE GOING WE NEED ANOTHER 30 TO 90 DAYS SO IT FRUSTRATES ME AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT UP A STONE, I KNOW THERE ARE LAWS TO FOLLOW BUT I WISH I HAD KNOWN THAT TWO MONTHS AGO.

POLICE CAN'T CONTROL THE NO TRUCKS.

EVERY TIME YOU PARK A POLICE CAR AT EMORY FARMS THEY DON'T GO THROUGH BUT WHEN THERE'S NOT A CAR PARKED THERE, THEY GO THROUGH. THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO BUILD THIS BARRIER, IT WAS BUDGETED LIKE 11 MONTHS AGO AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. UNTIL THE CITY CAN SHOW ME THAT WHEN WE BUDGET SOMETHING AND WE GIVE DEADLINES IT GETS FOLLOWED I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF OPENING ANYTHING UP BECAUSE IF THE IDEA IS WE'LL OPEN IT UP AND MAKE CHANGES AS WE NEED IT, THERE'S A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH, SOME ARE MOVING OR GIVING UP.

THE COUNCIL TOOK THE EXTRAORDINARY STEP SAYING JUST PUT JERSEY BARRIERS TO BLOCK IT AND EVEN THEN TRUCKS WENT AROUND IT AND I DON'T WANT TO PAY A POLICE OFFICER TO SIT OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE. THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE $80,000 A YEAR FIX FOR SOMETHING WE CAN JUST LEAVE CLOSED.

THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT FIRST RESPONDERS NOT MAKING IT THERE.

THERE'S A LOCK BOX. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN DRIVE THE EXCHANGE TO LIVE OAK, LIVE OAK UP TO WHOEVER ROAD. THEY HAVE LOCK BOXES SO THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT GOING AROUND. WE DO HAVE A TIA.

IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I READ IT.

WHEN THIS FIRST CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, I VOTED NO ALL THE WAY THROUGH BECAUSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING NO ONE HAD A CLEAR PATH OR A PLAN OF HOW YOU TAKE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH DENSITY AND THROW IT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO SPEAK OF TO SUPPORT THAT AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE AND WORK AND TO DATE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SUCCESS AND I DO FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THERE.

IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TWO OR THREE OPTIONS TO GET IN AND OUT, BY I WOULD SAY DON'T GET MAD AT ME FOR VOTING NO ON THIS, GET MAD AT THE CITY FOR NOT COMING UP WITH MEASURES TO MITIGATE THIS FASTER. SO THAT'S JUST MY THING.

I WOULD LIKE THIS THING FIXED TWO MONTHS AGO.

ACTUALLY, TWO YEARS AGO, WE SAID THEN IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE AS A COUNCIL, SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ONE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOT TRUCK TRAFFIC AND LAST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE FINES FOR A TRUCK CANNOT EXCEED $250 SO THE PENALTY FOR A TRUCK DRIVING IS MINUSCULE AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO ABOVE IT BY LAW WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE NOT IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING ON 1660 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT TRUCK IS ALLOWED TO GO, WHICH ISN'T AND IF YOU GIVE THEM A TICKET, IT'S $250 AND THOSE GUYS, THEY DON'T SEEM TO CARE. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DO YOU STILL WANT TO TABLE? >> YES, PLEASE.

>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY TO TABLE -- YOU KNOW WHAT? JACOB.

I APOLOGIZE. I SKIPPED PEOPLE BEFORE, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JACOB AND I LIVE ON EAST STREET IN THE NEW DURANGO FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PROFOUND TO ADD TO WHAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN VERY ENLIGHTNING HEARING THE DISCUSSION AND THE FACTORS THAT YOU ARE ALL CONSIDERING, BUT I'M JUST HERE REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBORS AND I TALKED TO MANY OF THEM AND WE ALL, OF COURSE, FEEL A LITTLE INCONVENIENCED BY THE GATE AND WOULD LIKE IT OPEN FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. IT JUST TAKES LONGER TO GO AROUND 1660 WHEN WE COULD CUT THROUGH.

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I FOR ONE COMPUTE DOWNTOWN EVERY DAY SO THAT WOULD SAVE ME A FEW MINUTES AND I THINK OLD TOWN IS LOVELY AND I WOULD LIKE TO FEEL MORE CONNECTED TO IT AND MY WIFE AND I WALK AROUND IN THERE OFTEN AND THE GATE JUST FEELS A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT THAT'S REALLY IT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE ALL DEALING WITH A LOT OF FACTORS OF SAFETY AND OTHER THINGS WITH THIS ISSUE, SO I JUST WANTED TO REPRESENT MY NEIGHBORS IN THIS SITUATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU

COMING OUT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL

MEMBER KINSE TO TABLE ITEM 10.2. >> UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN

SEPTEMBER. >> UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN

SEPTEMBER WHICH IS? >> THE 15TH.

>> UNTIL 9/15. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 10.2.

>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR, APPROVING 10.2.

DO YOU MIND SPECIFICALLY SAYING SINCE IT'S KIND OF VAGUE WHAT THE ITEM IS WHAT EXACTLY YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE DONE?

>> ARE YOU WANTING TO OPEN ONE STREET, BOTH STREETS?

>> I'M OKAY WITH AS IS OPENING THE WIN STREET BUT I WOULD SEPTEMBER AN AMENDMENT TO OPENING THE SECOND ONE, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO DO IT AS-IS OPENING MAIN STREET, AT LEAST ONE ENTRANCE. OH.

SO WHAT'S YOUR MOTION? >> AS IT, AS STATED, OPENING

MAIN STREET. >> OPENING MAIN STREET.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

ANY OTHER ATTEMPTS? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN MAIN AND EAST STREETS WITH A CON TING GEE THAT WE CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THAT THIS COUNCIL RECEIVES A REPORT BY THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER ON THAT STUDY SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT IN

THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. >> SO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN UP MAIN AND EAST STREET WITH THE STIPULATION THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BEING PERFORMED AND BROUGHT BACK BY SEPTEMBER 15TH?

>> YEP. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT?

>> I WILL SECOND. >> OKAY.

CAN WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION?

>> CAN I HEAR WHAT IT IS? [LAUGHTER]

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT ABOUT GIVING THE POWER TO THE CITY MANAGER THE ABILITY TO RECLOSE IT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO US IF THEY FIND THERE'S AN ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY IF IT PASSED, YOU

KNOW. >> I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME CRITERIA AS TO WHAT'S THE TRIGGER.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRIGGER WOULD BE OF WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THE CITY STAFF TO WANT TO CLOSE IT.

IS IT NUMBER OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS? IS IT NUMBER OF TRICK TRAFFIC GOINGCK TRAFFIC GOUCK TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE? I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE CRITERIA.

I LIKE THE IDEA BUT I WANT MORE CLARITY ON IT.

>> JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS VISIT WITH THE ENGINEERING STAFF AND CHIEF TO DEVELOP THAT CRITERIA TO COME BACK TO YOU. I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE BUT I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THEIR INPUT BEFORE I GIVE YOU A DES FIN SIEVE DIRECTION ON WHAT WOULD TRIGGER A CLOSURE OF THE ROAD.

OBVIOUSLY I HAVE HEARD COUNCIL'S CONCERNS, SO.

>> SO ARE YOU ACCEPTING THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT?

>> I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS IS WHAT TO TAKE ACTION BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OR NOT AND WHAT YOU COULD DO IS ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO DEVELOP THE CRITERIA, SHARE IT WITH THE COUNCIL AND THEN IMPLEMENT IT UNLESS THERE WAS AN OBJECT FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER AND IT WOULD BE PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA.

JUST A SUGGESTION. >> THAT COULD WORK.

>> SO DEVELOP THE CRITERIA, E-MAIL IT TO US AND SAY HERE'S THE PLAN, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN WITH IT, AND IF THERE ARE

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CONCERNS, IT WOULD BE ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA? AND IF NOT, YOU WOULD IMPLEMENT IT?

>> YEAH, MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK THAT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH STAFF, STILL GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION AND GIVES EVERYONE THE ASSURANCE THAT IS IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THE CRITERIA, THEN IT WILL BE RIGHT BACK BEFORE

COUNCIL. >> OKAY.

YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. THAT AMENDMENT WITH THAT PROVISION. THAT'S FINE.

THE REASON I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS IS JUST A WHEEL CHICKEN AND EGG THING. HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE UNLESS WE HAVE TRAFFIC GOING THERE TO SEE WHAT IT IS AND WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE A DECISION TO REVERSE IT.

>> WE CAN ALWAYS DRIVE OVER TO EMORY FARMS AND SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE, HAVE IT MITIGATED AND THERE'S REAL WORLD EXAMPLES. I ALSO WOULD SAY THAT -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ONE OFF 137.

NOT LEGENDS OF HUTTO. WITH THE SIDEWALKS.

>> LAKE SIDE. >> LAKE SIDE ESTATES, THEY COULD GIVE YOU PRETTY GOOD FEEDBACK ON CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BARRELLING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME OF THEM NARROW STREETS,

VERY POORLY LIT. >> SO THE MOTION IS TO OPEN UP MAIN AND EAST STREET WITH A TRAFFIC BEING DONE BY 9/15 AND MAY YOU'RE PROTEM YOU'RE OKAY WITH STIPULATION THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL PROVIDE US SOME CRITERIA ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR HIM TO CLOSE IT DURING THAT PERIOD.

SOUND RIGHT? >> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT CONSUL

MEMBER KOLAR? >> MAY I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT VOTING? WHO DETERMINES WHEN THE GATES OPEN? DOES THE TRAFFIC STUDY START WHEN THE GATES OPEN?

>> STAFF WILL FUNDAMENTALLY COME TOGETHER WHEN IT OPENS BUT WE WANT TO START GATHERING INFORMATION AND DATA IMMEDIATELY, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNT EARTHS AND THE THINGS IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR THAT TOERS AND THE THINGS IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN SO ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMUNICATED TOGETHER AND WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH COUNCIL TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE ROADS ARE READY TO BE OPENED AND WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE

MOTION? >> AGAIN, IT JUST SOUND LIKE WE NEED TO TABLE THIS. EVERY UP HERE HAS A CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT STAFF HAS TO COME BACK WITH.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND PERSONALLY I THINK MA PARTNERS, WE SHOULD GO BACK AND SEE IF THEY SHOULD PAY A PORTION OF THIS OR BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ATE.

I WOULD RATHER NOT PIT TT UT TH HUTTO'S BILL.

IT ALL SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE CLEAR FIEING EATS NEEDS VERSUS TRYING

TO PIECE TOGETHER THIS MOTION. >> FOR ME THE REASON I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE TABLING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD FAR TOO LONG. WE NEED TO JUST MAKE A DECISION AND DO THE STUDY, TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF IT'S REALLY AS BAD AS WE FEAR TOO SEE HOW BAD IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE.

THE ONLY WAY WE WILL FIND OUT HOW BADS IS I IS IIS ISS T IS I GET IT. I'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING ALL OVER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THROUGH HUTTO TOWN SQUARE.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE NOT USED TO SEEING THAT IN SO IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

IT'S NOT A PERMANENT DECISION, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT CHANGE.

IF WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE, WE CAN REVERSE COURSE IF IT ALL FALLS APART BY THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO TELL IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE OR NOT, JUST TO DO IT AND SEE WHAT IT IS AND REVISIT.

>> I WENT TO LOOK AT THIS AS KICKING THE CAN BY THE ROAD AT LEAST BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WE SET THE DIRECTION, GAVE A DEADLINE, NOTHING HAPPENS SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S NOT ME KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S GOVERNMENT.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD I DID FIND THE TIA.

>> OH, GOOD. >> SO I CAN SEND IT TO STAFF AND

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THEY CAN FORWARD IT OUT. SO INCLUDED IN THAT UNDER THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, IT DOES HAVE ITEMS INCLUDING GOING INTO OLD TOWN GOING THROUGH MAIN STREET THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED SO IT'S A THOUSAND PAGES SO I DIDN'T READ THROUGH IT JUST NOW BUT I DID NOTICE ON THE MAP THE SEVERAL INTERSECTION THAT IS WERE IDENTIFIED, THOSE WERE TWO.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE.

PLEASE KALE THE VOTE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY?

>> NAY. >> MAYOR PROTEM GORDON?

NEE. MOTION FAILS 3-3.

>> SO I WOULD LIKE TOO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK A PLAN WITHIN THE NEXT MEETING.

>> MOTION BY TUNE SILL MEMBER THORNTON, EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND ISSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. IS IT SAFE TO SUM IT UP LEAVE THINGS AS-IS BUT BRING A PLAN BACK FOR MITIGATION STRATEGIES BY SEPTEMBER 15TH? ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION?

>> YEAH. WHAT'S GOING JOB DIFFERENT IN SIX WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS THAN WHAT WE HEARD TODAY? YOU CAN'T DO A MITIGATION PLAN UNLESS THE STREETS ARE OPEN.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE US? >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT

SEPTEMBER 15TH. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT STRATEGIES I CAN VISIT WITH STAFF ABOUT BUT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS THE ROADS WON'T BE OPEN UNTIL AFTER SEPTEMBER 15TH, SO THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE, YOU'RE GIVING ME TIME IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALL SATISFIED WITH THE STRATEGY THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYING TO DETERMINE IF THE TRAFFIC IS SAFE OR NOT.

THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE A SAFE SOLUTION TO OPEN THE GATES AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS WE CAN WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ENTRANCES ASIDE, THERE ARE SEVERAL STRATEGIES STAFF CAN BRING TO YOU AND THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I CAN SEE, WE OPEN NOW AND WE BRING BACK WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO CLOSE THE GATES, EFFECTIVELY THE MOTION YOU WERE MAKING AND THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR NOW SEEMS TO BE EFFECTIVELY DO ALL THAT AT ONE TIME BUT LEAVE THE GATES CLOSED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 15TH

>> SO BY SEPTEMBER 15TH WE SHOULD HEAR WHAT YOUR PLAN IS IF WE SAY OKAY, IF YARE GOING TO OPEN, HERE'S WHAT OUR PLAN IS

FOR OPENING. >> CORRECT.

>> AND IT COULD BE WE'RE GOING TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, DO THIS, LOOK AT THE TIA, THAT KIND OF STIFF.

>> THAT IS CORRECT AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ASK TO BE CONSIDERED IS IF WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 15TH THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE FOR US TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE THAT

DATE. >> OF COURSE.

>> YOU CAN ALWAYS UNDER PROMISE AND OVER DELIVER.

>> SO I WILL AMEND TO BRINGING IT BACK BY THE 15TH.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY OF HUTTO IS BUT IN A LOT OF MAI ANIES PAL THEY, YOUMUNICIPAL TH DO A TRAFFIC STUDY UNTIL SCHOOL STARS AND IF WE HAVE A TIA, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO DO IT WE MAY HAVE STOP SIGNS UP NEXT WEEKEND IF IT SAYS.

I DON'T KNOW, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I LOOKED AT IT.

THE MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON, SECONDED BY KINSEY WAS TO LEAVE THINGS AS-IS AND HAVE THE CITY MANAGER COME BACK WITH A MITIGATION PLAN NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 15TH.

SOUND RIGHT? OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR PROTEM GOURD DON. >> AYE.

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>> MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT WAS JUST THE ROAD WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO THE BUDGET.

[10.3. Discuss and receive the proposed budget for fiscal year 2022-2023 in accordance with Section 8.02 of the Hutto City Charter. (Angie Rios)]

NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.3. DISCUSS AND RECEIVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 IN AACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 8.02 OF THE HUTTOCCORDANCE WITH SECT OF THE HUTTO CITY CHARTER.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE 2023 PROPOSED BUDGET.

THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW CHANGES FROM THE DRAFT ON JULY 7TH.

I'M NOT PLANNING TOO SPEND A TON OF TIME GOING THROUGH THIS.

THE TOTAL PROPOSED BUDGET IS $73 MILLION.

GENERAL FUND AT 24 SO MORE REVENUE THAN LAST YEAR CAUSING THAT TO GO UP. YOUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOUR EYE TILT FUNDS, THEY'RE ALSO UP FOR REVENUE, IMPACT FEES, CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE CDC, EDC BUDGET THERE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE EDC BOARD SO WE HAVE NOW INCLUDED IT IN HERE. THE LGCS, THIS IS WHERE THE LEGAL FEES ARE GOING. THE PIDS, WE HAVE GONE FROM THREE TO SIX PIDS SO THAT'S JUST MORE PIDS THAT WE HAVE AND THE TIRZ WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT REVENUE.

YOUR PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX IS THE BIG ONE.

THIS BUDGET DOES NOT REFLECT THE CERTIFIED ROLES FROM THE APPRAISING DISTRICT AND THE TAX APPRAISING DISTLS FROM THE APPRAISING DISTRICT AND THE TAX CALCULATION.

THAT RELEASED THE ROLLS BUT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR OFFICE TO DO THE CALCULATIONS AND THOSE WERE NOT COMPLETE UNTIL EARLY THIS WEEK. SO THAT IS NOT REFLECTED IN HERE IN THE NUMBERS YOU SEE. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO THIS IS STILL USING THE SAME CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IN THE LAST DRAFT THAT YOU SAW.

SO SALES TAX HAS BEEN GROWING TO GET CLOSER TO THAT NUMBER.

>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS BUT ARE THEY GOING TO GET BETTER OR WORSE? DO YOU KNOW THAT YET?

>> BETTER, OF COURSE. >> ARE YOU WAITING TO TELL US THAT NUMBER IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR CAN YOU RECEIL THAT

NUMBER TONIGHT? >> I WILL SAVE IT.

I DID AN EXCELLENT JOB STIMING IT ESTIMATING IT FOR THE SO.

IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

AND YOUR GENERAL GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURES.

THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE MAJOR CHANGE IN THIS BUDGET DRAFT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THAT IS THE EMPLOYEE INSURANCE, HEALTH INSURANCE, DENTAL, VISION, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. PERSONNEL SERVICES WAS AT 51%.

IT'S AT 50% NOW AFTER THAT CHANGE IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT HERE. UTILITY REVENUES, NOTHING HAS CHANGED HERE SINCE THE DRAFT THAT YOU SAW BEFORE, ALL OF THIS IS STILL THE SAME. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE IN THE PERSONNEL HERE DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THE INSURANCE ON THAT.

THIS BUDGET ALSO DOES NOT REFLECT ANY CHANGES IN ANY KIND OF DEBT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE BIGGEST NUMBER HERE, AND THEN YOUR CONTRACTED SERVICES ARE YOUR PAYMENTS TO BRA TO MANAGE THE PLANTS AND TAYLOR FOR THE WATER.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HR HAS BEEN HEARING FOR THE LAST YEAR AS THEY DID EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH EMPLOYEES, EVERY SINGLE EXIT INTERVIEW, 100% OF THEM, EVERY EMPLOYEE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF THE INSURANCE, THE PLANS WE HAD, IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE.

IT'S TALKED ABOUT BY THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STILL HERE

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AND SO THE INSURANCE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

SO IT'S BEEN VERY HIGH ON THE MINDS OF HR, OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE FINANCE TO TAKE A BIG LOOK AT THAT.

SO THIS YEAR WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS FOR A BROKER, WE CAME BACK AND SELECTED HUB INTERNATIONAL.

HUB INTERNATIONAL IS A LARGE COMPANY.

THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, THEY HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES IN THE AREA USE THEM SO THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, TOO, AND HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK FOR THAT.

THEY WERE ABLE TO GET MORE BIDS ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE THAN WE HAVE SEEN IN YEARS WHICH IS NICE TO HAVE THAT OPTION AND NOT JUST MORE BIDS BUT EVEN BETTER INSURANCE PRODUCTS.

THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THOSE INSURANCE COMPANIES JUST FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD SO THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THEN IF YOU WILL REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING IN CONSENT THERE WAS AN ITEM TO CREATE A BENEFIT TRUST, WHICH I HAD NEVER HEARD OF PERSONALLY IN ALL THE TIME I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS, CREATING THAT SAVED 1.7% ON THE INSURANCE SO EVEN SOMETHING AS SMALL AS THAT THAT THEY HAD US DO MADE A DIFFERENCE. WE TALKED TO HUB, WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING TO SEE WHAT THE BEST OPTIONS WERE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE SWITCHING INSURANCE COMPANIES BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN EPO IN THE EYE DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.

WE WILL PROVIDE AN HMO, EPO AND A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN AND THE STUDY WILL PLAY 100% SO WE'RE APPLYING THE SAME COST ACROSS THE BOARD F. THE EMPLOYEE WANTS TO BE ON THE EPO, I THINK IT'S $40 A MONTH TO GO UP TO THAT PLAN APPLYING THE SAME AMOUNT FOR EMPLOYEES ACRPPLYING THE SA EMPLOYESAME AMAPPLYING THE SAME EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE BOARD THERE.

THE CITY WILL PAY I THINK 30% A DEPENDANT.

THIS TIME WE WILL GET VISION AND DENTAL AS WELL.

WE WILL HAVE TWO OPTIONS THERE. WE HAVE ALWAYS PAID EMPLOYEE ONLY COVERAGE IN THE DENTAL AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT BUT BECAUSE THE HMO OPTION IS SO VERY LOW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE SOME TO DEPENDANT COVERAGE ALSO ON DENTAL SO WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN. FOR THIS PLAN, THE VISION RATE IS VERY LOW SO WE WILL PAY 100% SO EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE LEARNS, THE $50,000, LONG TERM DISABILITY, MEDICAL, DENTAL, AND VISION. SO WE'RE DOING THIS TO TRY TO MAKE OURSELVES COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET, WE WANT TO RETAIN AND ATTRACT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE SALARY.

IT'S ABOUT THE BENEFITS. THEY NEED THOSE BENEFITS BUT THEY NEED THEM TO BE COST EFFECTIVE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET, HOW HIGH INFLATION IS AND GAS AND RENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS. HUB DID COMPARE WITH SOME OF THE COME PET TORS IN THE AREA. WE MADE THAT DECISION TO WHAT WE CAN FUND SO THE CITY HAS ALWAYS PAID FOR THE EMPLOYEE LIFE INSURANCE AND LONG TERM DISABILITY SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. WE WILL OFFER FSA THIS YEAR WHICH WE HAVE NEVER DONE. THE FLEX SPENDING ACCOUNTS WHICH ARE HUGELY IMPORTANT FOR EMPLOYEES OR DEPENDENT CARE AND ALSO A BETTER EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THE ONES NOW OFFER VERY LITTLE OPTIONS TO THE EMPLOYEES.

THIS ONE WOULD PROVIDE MUCH, MUCH MORE.

ALSO BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET, IT'S BEEN THERE THIS WHOLE TIME, WE HAD THE 3% COLA AND A 3% MERIT BUILT IN THERE.

WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE COULD DO BEFORE WE PUT THOSE NUMBERS OUT. WHEN WE ADDED ALL THIS IN, THERE'S NOW MORE MONEY ON THE BOTTOM LINE SO IT CAME IN LESS

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THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED BECAUSE HUB WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND DO MORE FOR US SO IT'S VERY EXCITING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND DOING THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HONOR THOSE WISHES AND DO WHAT WE CAN FOR THEM BECAUSE RETENTION IS AN ISSUE AND BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED IN EVERY EXIT INTERVIEW IN THE LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE BIG CHANGE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE BUDGET AND WHAT'S CONTRIBUTED TO THAT CHANGE ON THE BOTTOM LINE, JUST ADDING ALL THESE CHANGES. WE HAVE IT OUT THERE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND AT THE NEXT MEETING WE PRESENT THE CERTIFIED ROLLS AND YOU WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE AND VOTE ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND THEN WE'LL SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET AT THE NEXT MEETING WHICH THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER AND THE FIRST RATEING OF THE BUDGET ON SEPTEMBER 15TH. THE SECOND READING OF THE BUDGET AND THE VOTE TO ADOPT THE TAX RATE.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANGIE, VISITING DOWNTOWN AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. THIS HAS COME TO THE EDC A COUPLE OF TIMES TO HELP THEM OUT DOWN THERE AND THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION. MY QUESTION FOR MR. TURNER WAS WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO SHOW THAT WE'RE THERE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. THE COMP PLAN HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS OUT THERE, INCLUDING A FACADE GRANT FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE IF WE COULD ADD A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET TO COVER THE LIGHTING DOWNTOWN OF 15,000 AND ALSO COVER THE LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE, AGAIN, ON THE SIDEWALKS WE'RE HAVING TRIP ISSUES WITH TREE ROOTS AND THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL LINE ITEM OF $22,000. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

I KNOW THAT THE LIGHTS WILL BE GOING UP PROBABLY IN OCTOBER FOR THE HOLIDAYS ANY WAY AND THEY USUALLY STAY UP UNTIL FEBRUARY.

WHAT THE BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT LIGHTING STAYS UP YEAR ROUND SO IT BRINGS THE FOCUS TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. I'M SNOT SNOT SURE HOW THAT WIL BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING. THEY HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING.

A LOT OF THEM ARE DOING BETTER NOW BY JUST TO SHOW THEM AS A CITY WE DO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES, THEY'RE NOT ALOWN OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN LITTLE BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT LINE ITEM ADDED INTO

THIS BUDGET CYCLE. >> THE BUDGET IS NOT FINAL UNTIL YOU ADOPT IT ON THE 15TH AND IT CAN BE CHANGED WHILE YOU ADOPT

IT WHICH YOU DID LAST YEAR, SO. >> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT AS A COUNCIL BECAUSE TO ME, THE BUDGET IS EXTREMELY VAGUE.

THE EMORY FARMS ENTRY WAY TO STOP TRUCKS, IS THAT IN THE

BUDGET? >> IT'S NOT, IT'S IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET. IT CAN BE CARRIED FORWARD IF YOU

SO DIRECT. >> RIGHT, SO THE BUDGET WE GOT, HOW WOULD I KNOW WHAT IS AND ISN'T IN THERE.

WITHOUT DETAILS LIKE THAT, FOR INSTANCE, I'M PERSONALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING LIGHTS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, PUTTING LIGHTS UP ONLY AFFECTS TWO BUSINESSES BECAUSE WHEN IT'S DARK, ONLY TWO ARE OPEN, THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES, THE CHIROPRACTOR, IT'S ALL CLOSED WHEN IT'S DARK.

LANDSCAPING I WOULD BE OKAY WITH BUT LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE BUDGET I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE REASON I LIKE ALL THE DETAIL IS BECAUSE I CAN GO BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND GO WHAT DID WE BUDGET FOR? LIKE TWO YEARS AGO EVERYBODY WAS UP SATE BECAUSE THE PARKS LOOKED TERRIBLE. WE HAD 1.3 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR PARKS THAT WAS NOT SPENT. THAT'S NOT ON ME, WE SET THE DIRECTION AND FUNDED THAT DIRECTION AND IT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND SO WE HAD A PERIOD WHERE WE FUND A LOT OF PROJECTS AND NOTHING GOT DONE SO NOW WE HAVE JAMES HERE TO TAKE THE NEXT RUN AT IT SO TO SAY SO WITHOUT THE

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LEVEL OF DETAIL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GRADE A CITY MANAGER COMING BACK BECAUSE IF IT'S VAGUE, ALL YOU WOULD HEAR IS THAT WAS NOT BUDGETS OR HOW DID THIS GET DONE? THAT WAS BUDGETED SO WHEN I FIRST GOT ON TUNE SILL THAT'S HOW WE RAN THE CITY. A VAGUE BUDGETSILL THAT'S HOW WE RAN THE CITY. A VAGUE BUDGET WITH NO DETAILS.

THERE WAS NO DETAIL UNTIL WE RAN OUT OF MONEY AS A CITY AND WE REALIZED MAYBE WE NEED MORE DETAIL AND OVERSIGHT.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE REVERTING BACK.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE TAX RATE IS SO I'M BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A BUDGET. IS IT RAISING PEOPLE'S TAX BILLS? LOWERING THEIR TAX BILLS? KEEPING IT THE SAME? I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ANSWER.

>> IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THAT YET, THAT INFORMATION FOR THE TAXES AND THIS IS JUST THE MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU TO ACCEPT THIS FOR POSTING. THIS IS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LEGALLY POST IT SO MANY DAYS BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS. I CAN PROVIDE LISTS OF THE PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR YOU IF THAT HELPS OR

WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE. >> I'M NOT BEING FUNNY.

EVERY OTHER YEAR WE WOULD VOTE ON A RATE NOT TO EXCEED THIS RATE AS WE FINISHED ON. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER BEEN ASKED TO APPROVE THE BUDGET WHEN I DON'T KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE CITIZEN. WE MAY SAY THIS IS A GREAT BUDGET, WE DO IT AND WE HAD A 14% INCREASE ON PEOPLE.

OOPS I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I VOTED. >> YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON THE

BUDGET. >> THIS IS LIKE A FORMALITY.

>> I HEAR YOU, BUT THINGS TEND TO STEAM ROLL VERY QUICKLY SO YOU VOTE YES ON THIS AND, OKAY, SECOND READING, ANY QUESTIONS?

NO, IT'S DONE AND THEN OH. >> YOU WILL SET THE TAX RATE THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S UP TO YOU TO SET THE TAX RATE WHICH WE'LL BE ASKING YOU TO DO AT THE NEXT MEETING

>> AFTER WE MADE A VOTE ON THE BUDGET?

>> WE'RE VOTING TOO ACCEPT THE BUDGET NOT TO APPROVE IT.

>> JUST TO ACCEPT IT FOR POSTING ON THE WEBSITE AND FOR PUBLIC

INSPECTION. >> HERE'S THE BUDGET.

SUBJECT TO CHANGE. ALWAYS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

>> IT'S SEMANTICS TO ME. >> IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR YOU ALL TO GET A DOCUMENT THAT YOU ACCEPT AS TO APPROVING.

ACCEPTING IS THAT YOU ACCEPTED SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DELIVERED TO YOU. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. MAYOR AND ANGIE I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO, BUT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE ASKED YOU ALL FOR BUDGET GUIDELINES IN WHICH TO DEVELOP THE BUDGET AND I WAS EXPECTING SEVEN TO TEN OF THOSE AND WE GOT 30 TO 40. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T COME BACK AND SAY YEP, IT'S WITHIN THESE GUIDELINES.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE, THOUGH, WE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO TRY TO DO THE BUDGET WITH AN ESSENCE WHERE A TAXPAYER WHO WAS IN THE COMMUNITY TYPICALLY WOULD NOT PAY ANYMORE TAXES FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT BECAUSE, AS A? NGIE SAID, THEY JUST GOT NGIE SAID, THEY JUST GOT THE VALUES AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTY FOR TAX RATES AND THAT'S NOT HERE, AS SHE MENTIONED. WHAT WE HAVE DONE, THOUGH, IS LOOKED AT THIS AND WORKED TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE A TAXPAYER WHO HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY WOULDN'T PAY ANYMORE NEXT YEAR THAN WHAT THEY PAY THE CURRENT YEAR.

WE THINK WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

>> SO WE'RE PUSHING FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE GOAL

HERE IS NO NEW REVENUE. >> RIGHT, THE INCREASE YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS BUDGET IN THE ADD VE LORE YUM TAX IS REALLY DUE TO NEW TAXES. BASED TON PRELIMINARY RATE I HAVE CALCULATED, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ADDED IN, JUST AN INCREASE

ON THE NEW PROPERTIES. >> AND SHE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO NEED SOME TIME TO -- ONCE YOU CRUNCH THE NUMBERS YOU WANT TO LOOK OVER AND MULL OVER IT BUT MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE NOT SAYING

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THIS BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PULL ANY KIND OF FAST ONE ON THE COUNCIL OR SMOG LIKEOMETHING LI WE UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO DO A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET AND THE RATES NEED TO SUPPORT IT IN A MANNER THAT YOU SAID YOU WISHED.

A NUMBER OF YOU SAID YOU NEED TO GIVE THAT TO US SEPARATELY.

THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO STATE AT THAT RATE AND WE THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DELIVER THAT TO YOU.

WE THINK THIS BUDGET WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THAT.

>> I THINK A LIST OF PROJECTS, I THINK WE HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST TAX BURDEN FOR A 3 BEDROOM TWO BATH 1300-SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, IF YOU KEEP THE HIGH BURDEN THE SAME, WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, LAKE SIDE ESTATES, THERE'S $600,000 MORE AN ALLOCATED TO SIDEWALKS.

IF YOU HAVE A BROAD NUMBER AND YOU SAY OH, I THATH WE WERE GETTING SIDEWALKS. NO, WE SPENT IT ON THIS.

LAST YEAR, THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WANTED OFFICE FURNITURE.

THERE ARE OFFICES FILLED WITH OFFICE FURNITURE DOWNTOWN JUST STACKED UP. WHEN I SAW A $15,000 LINE ITEM ON OFFICE FURNITURE. I SAID WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BUY? IT WAS JUST A PLACE HOLDER. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAD $50,000 IN SMALL TOOLS AND SKIMMED. WHAT ARE YOU BUYING THERE? STUFFEQUIPMENT. WHAT ARE YOU BUYING THERE? STUFF BREAKS. WELL, WHEN IT BREAKS COME FORWARD BECAUSE THE BUDGETS I'M USED TO, WE KNOW WHAT OUR MAINTENANCE EXPENSE IS YEAR OVER YEAR, YOU ALLOCATE FOR THAT.

YOU HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE DAY CAMP, YOU ALLOCATE MONEY TO THAT IF WE'RE JUST OUT THROWING PLACE HOLDERS, WHEN NOTHING GETS DONE, WHICH WE HAD HAPPEN A YEAR AGO, IT'S A LOT TOUGHER TO ME TO HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN I DON'T KNOW.

>> MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, YOU SIEVEED MORE DETAILED PAGES THAN THIS. IRECEIVED MORE DETAILED PAGES THAN THIS. I STARTED TO BRING MY BOX DOWN WITH MY NOTEBOOKS AND SPREADSHEETS BUT I SAID NO, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING, WE PROBABLY WON'T NEED IT BUT REMEMBER YOU DO HAVE DETAILED PAGES THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU EARLIER AND THOSE PAGES ARE LINE ITEMS AND THEY HAVE EXPLANATIONS.

>> THEY'RE NOT DROP BOX. >> AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO,

RIGHT? >> THE LINE ITEM IS IN THE DROP

BOX. >> WHAT DID WE GET TODAY?

>> TRANSPORTATION AND WASTEWATER.

>> THE PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT'S BONDING.

>> IF WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC, WHATEVER THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND SELL TO THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON. YES, DEFINITELY.

>> I WON'T BELABOR THIS BUT THERE ARE DETAILED PAGES.

YOU ALSO HAVE WHAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR BUDGET, AND THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR BUDGET THAT WERE REQUESTED, YOU HAVE THAT DETAIL AND YOU DURN CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THAT TO GO OVER THAT WITH YOU BY WE THOUGHT IF WE PROVIDED IT TO YOU AND YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS,WE PROV HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE COULD GET THAT. I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU WE HAVE ABOUT A REAM OF PAGES IN THE DROP BOX SO YOU HAVE THAT

DETAIL. >> I'M LOOKING IN TODAY'S DROP

BOX AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. >> THEY WERE GIVEN TO YOU BACK

IN JULY. >> SO WHAT FOULEDER DO I NEED TO

LOOK IN? >> I SEND THEM TO ANGELA.

MAYBE SHE CAN TELL YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT

FOLDER IT'S IN. >> SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER? I REMEMBER SOME DETAILS BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN TWO NEW PICNIC TABLES AND

REHAB THE PAVILION. >> JULY 7TH.

>> HERE IT IS. >> A LIST FROM THE QUESTIONS

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WITHIN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT I HANDED OUT TO YOU IN PRINT, THERE WAS LIST OF THE PERSONNEL REQUESTED AND WHAT WAS FUNDED, A LIST OF THE CAPITAL REQUESTED AND FUNDED AND A LIST OF CHANGES REQUESTED IN AND WHAT WAS FUNDED.

>> AND I ATTEMPTED TO BRIEF YOU ON THAT.

IF I DIDN'T SAY IT IN THE MANNER THAT COMMUNICATED, BUT I ALSO KNOW YOU ALL HAVE OTHER OCCUPATION THAT IS YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON SO THAT MAY HAVE BEENS THAT IS YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON SO THAT MAY HAVE YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON SO THAT MAY HAVE YOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON SO THAT MAY HAVE BYOU SPEND MOST OF YOUR TIME ON SO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PAST YOU A LITTLE BIT BUT

WE HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL. >> AND THERE'S NO INTENT TO JUST SAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING SAID THAT I'M NOT PRESENTING ANYTHING THAT'S VAGUE.

>> NO, NO, IT'S THE 2023 BUDGET DETAIL ON 7/07.

WE WENT THROUGH IT AND WE WENT THROUGH IT WHEN WE SAT IN WITH

INDIVIDUALS. >> I DON'T MEAN TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I'M WANTING TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF INFORMATION TO THE VOTERS TO WHERE WHEN WE GET A BUDGET APPROVED THEN THEY WILL ASK, WHAT WAS IN THAT.

IT WAS IN A DROP BOX. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SHARE THIS OR NOT. THERE'S A LACK OF DETAIL THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON IN HUTTO, THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEIR TAXES ARE GOING UP OR DOWN, WHAT'S IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW LEGALLY IF I SHARE THE WRONG DOCUMENT I'M ON THE FIRING SQUAD SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY SHARE THIS STUFF SO I DON'T WORRY ABOUT GETTING VOTED OFF.

>> AND THE JULY 7TH ONE THERE IS ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SEE. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE MID-JULY OR SOME TIME OF THAT MEETING WHICH DOES HAVE THE LIST OF ALL THE REQUESTS AND WHAT WAS FUNDED FROM PERSONNEL AND ALL OF THAT.

ALL THE DOLLARS FOR GENERAL FUND, THE UTILITY FUND.

THAT HAS BEEN UP ON THE WEB PAGE SO FOR TRANSPARENCY THAT'S BEEN POSTED AND THIS ONE WOULD GET POSTED TOMORROW AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, I APOLOGIZE, THE TIMING OF THIS IS NOT GOOD.

I WOULD YOU SHOULDLY BRING BACK -- WHEN THIS CAME TO YOU IT WOULD HAVE THE TAX RATE OF IT BUT THIS MEETING BEING SO EARLY IN THE MONTH AND THE CERTIFIED ROLLS DUE BY LAW THE 25TH OF JULY. THEY GOT THOSE OUT AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE CALCULATION, THIS IS A LOT SO ALREADY CITIES AND SCHOOLS AND MUDS AND PIDS SO WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE SO WE HAVE TO RATE OUR TURN IN THAT, TOO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY WHICH IS WHY WE JUST HAD SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK. UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE MEETING THIS EARLY IN THE MONTH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET IT IN THERE.

>> THE CHALLENGE WITH A BUDGET DOCUMENT IS IT'S VOLUMES YOU AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO APPROACH THAT.

ONE OF THE WAYS I MENTIONED THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS GROUP HAS DONE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR WEBSITE, THERE ARE MORE DETAILED PAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT THIS BUDGET.

THE STAFF, AND I JUST TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER, HE INDICATED THAT IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR MEMBERS OF COUNSEL THAT WANT TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SET UPWANT TO HAVE MORE DISCE WOULD BE WILTHAT WANT TO HAVE M DISCUSSIONS HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SET UP TIMES.

I HAVE PRESENTED BUDGET INFORMATION TO COMMUNITY GROUPS AND HO ARKS. IT'S NOT OFTEN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL INTERESTED BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING OVER WITH YOU HERE. OTHERWISE IF WE TRY TO DO THAT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THE CIP AND THE GORY DETAILS, THE LINE ITEM DETAILS OF THE BUDGET BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, IF YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME OF THAT, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.

>> I DID RECALL GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN THAT JULY BUDGET. I ASKED CITY MANAGER TURNER MULTIPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THINGS THAT MADE IT, WHAT DIDN'T MAKE IT AND WHAT WENT INTO THAT SO WE HAD A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ONE ON ONE.

MAYBE THE COUNCIL HASN'T CAUGHT EVERYTHING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SAME DETAILED BUDGET WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO UPDATE IT PUT OUT AS WELL, THE UPDATED VERSION, BECAUSE SINCE THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED I'M SURE SOME OF THOSE EYE TEEPS HAVE MOVED IN OR OUTITEMS HAVE MOVED IN OR OUT OF PLAN SINCE THEN.

WHEN WE CAN GET THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

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>> WE'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS OUT >> BUT GETTING IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS GREAT AS WELL IF WE CAN DO THAT.

AS FAR AS THE PERSONNEL GOES, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO GET SOME CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC ON WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE NEW STUDY AND ARE WE INCLUDING THE STAFFING IN THAT

AS WELL? >> THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO -- >> I KNOW IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ON THE BUDGET BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO COMMUNICATE THE TIME LINE ON

THAT. >> IT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, THE STAFFING SURVEY AND TO DO A FULL COMPENSATION AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND PUT THE PROPOSAL OUT FOR BIDS FOR THE COMPENSATION STUDY RIGHT NOW.

BY THE TIME WE GET THOSE IN, EVALUATE THEM, IT WILL BE OCTOBER BEFORE WE BRING ANYTHING BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, ASSUMING THAT IT STAYS IN THE BUDGET, BY WE CAN GET GOING ON THAT FASTER. AS SOON AS OCTOBER 1ST GETS HERE

WE'RE READY TO GO. >> MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IS SOME OF THE REQUESTS WENT INTO THE BUDGET REQUESTS AND ARE BEING PUSHED BACK TO SAY WE NEED TO DO THE STUDY, WE NEED TO GET BETTER ANSWERS ON SOME OF THESE BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND SO JUST FOR CLARITY FOR THE EMPLOYEE'S SAKE, THE DEPARTMENT'S SAKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT TIME LINE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE HAVE CLARITY ON WHEN THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE MADE FOR MODIFYING THE BUDGET IN THE

FUTURE. >> JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR FOR THE COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST COMPLETED A SALARY SURVEY, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT SURVEY. I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CONFESS THERE AND THERE ARE SOME EMPLOYEES AND MANAGERS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES AND THEIR PAY AND THEY WANT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS NOW SORT OF THING.

WHAT I SAID IS LOOK AT A SALARY STUDY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 SO GET ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IDENTIFIED, GIVE THEM TO THE CONSULTANT THAT'S LOOKING AT THE SALARY AND BENEFIT SURVEY AND THEY CAN TAKE LOOK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.

PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE ARE SOME EMPLOYEES WHO WORK AT CITY HALL THAT YOU HEAR MORE ABOUT AND EMPLOYEES WORKING IN THE STREETS AND WATER AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT ACCESS SO EVERYBODY GETS UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA. THE OTHER THING THAT ANGIE WAS TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR, YOU HAVE IN YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET A SALARIES AND BENEFITS STUDY AND A SEPARATE STAFFING STUDY SO THERE ARE TWO STUDIES THAT WILL PUT YOURSELF AND YOUR CITY MANAGER IN A POSITION TO ASSESS WHAT IS BEING PAID AND ALSO THE

STAFFING LEVELS OF THE CITY. >> SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, MY NAME IS MISSPELLED IN THE THING SO IF WE COULD GET THAT FIXED BEFORE IT'S PUT OUT, THAT WOULD

BE GREAT. >> YES, SIR.

I APOLOGIZE. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT.

VERY IMPORTANT. >> THERE ARE TWO LS.

ONE L. >> EVERY TIME.

>> EVERY TIME. ANGIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. I APPRECIATE YOU.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IT'S WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT KNEW BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE WORKING WITH NUMBER THAT IS HAVE YET TO COME TO YOU SO I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN I GUESS AS FAR AS GUIDANCE, IF WE ARE WANTING SOME CLEARIFICATION OR TO ADD ANYTHING, WE SHOULDARIFIO ADD ANYTHING, WE SHOULD MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER?

>> OR WE CAN MEET TOGETHER. >> I DON'T WANT TO GO

INDIVIDUALLY TONIGHT >> I HAVE MET WITH EACH OF MY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE.

>> I WILL COMMUNICATE WITH JAMES TO GET TO YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY AND WORKING HARD ON THIS AND CRUNCHING ALL THE NUMBERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BUTLY

GET WITH JAMES. >> I HAVE A FINANCIAL ANALYST DOING ALL THE WORK IN THE BACKGROUND ON THE TWO THOUSAND LINES OF DATA. HOST DOING ALL THE HEAVY

LIFTING. >> THANK YOU FOR REVAMPING THE INSURANCE AND LEADING THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT

BUT WE'RE GET THERING. >> ING THIS.

>> WE'RE WORKING. >> WE'RE.

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>> WE'RR. >> WE'RE.

>> WE'RE WORKING ON IT. I THINK THE STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT IT CAN'T ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE BUT, YES.

>> I HAVE AN OVERARCHING QUESTION IS MS. IRENE STILL

HERE? >> YES.

>> SHE'S HIDING. I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION FOR YOU. I COULDN'T SEE HER.

I HAVE JUST AN OVERARCHING QUESTION.

I KNOW WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT TRYING TO HIRE PEOPLE AND THAT A LOOT OF THE WELLS WERE RUNNING DRY AND THAT EQUATED TO US PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

WITH US HAVING SEVERAL MORE POSITIONS POSTED, HAVE YOU SEEN AN UP TICK IN GENERAL FROM HR IN THESE POSITIONS WE'RETICK IN GE THESE POSITIONS WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL? WHAT'S YOUR OVERALL FORECAST OVER THE LAST MONTH OR TWO?

>> AS FAR AS VACANCIES IN GENERAL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. WE HAVE ONE IN INTERIM BUT WE HAVE VACANCIES BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HIRING CONSULTANTS AND WE HAVE POSTED ALL OF OUR POSITIONS.

WE HAVE, I THINK, THE HISTORY OF THE SMALLEST NUMBER OF VACANCY LISTINGS AND FIVE OF THEM ARE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO FILL ALL OF OUR VACANCIES.

IF THIS BENEFITS MEDICAL AND INSURANCE WILL BE APPROVED, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU EVEN US T EMPLOYEES, THE WORK FORCE ARE HOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE ONE THAT WILL REALLY GET OTHER VACANCIES, EVEN THE FUTURE VACANCIES TO FILL THEM AS FAST AS WE CAN BECAUSE LIKE ANGIE SAID, EVERY EXIT INTERVIEW, BEFORE THEY EVEN ASK HOW MUCH IT PAYS, THEY ASK ABOUT BENEFITS SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT BENEFITS IS REALLY ONE BIG ONE, LARGER THAN HOW MUCH THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO MAKE OR WHAT'S THE COMPENSATION ON THE TABLE? WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH LARGER CITIES LIKE ROUND ROCK SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE BETTER BENEFITS AND AS FAR AS THE PAY IS CONCERNED LIKE WHAT ANGIE AND OUR INTERIM MANAGER SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A PHASE TWO MARKET STUDY, THE FULL COMPENSATION PACKAGE AND HOPEFULLY NOT JUST COUNCIL BUT EMPLOYEES IN GENERAL WILL BE VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS, NOT LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONES.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HERE WERE PLEASED ABOUT IT.

MR. TURNER IS RIGHT, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING SUPERVISORS, ASKING FOR A SECOND LOOK.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WERE NOT REALLY TRUTHFULLY STUDIED BECAUSE OF HOW THE INFORMATION WAS COMPLETED.

THE DATA WAS NOT PROVIDED TO US, BUT WE WERE NOT PART OF THAT WHEN IT WAS UNDER NEGOTIATIONS. THANKFULLY, IT WAS BEFORE OUR

TIME. >> SO JUST KIND OF OVERALL

HOPEFULLY WE CAN -- >> NOT NECESSARILY MORE APPLICANTS BUT WE HAVE THE SAME NUMBER, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER FOR EVERY POSITION BUT WE HAVE QUALITY APPLICANTS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. JUST TODAY ALONE, ONE OF OUR POSITIONS HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.

WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT MOVED HERE FROM THE AREA OF HOUSTON, I BELIEVE, AND HE HAS A LOT OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, NOT SOMEBODY THAT HAS JUST STARTED IN THEIR CAREER.

>> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE'RE IN A BETTER POSITION RELATIVE TO OUR VACANCIES AS YOUR HR DIRECTOR HAS MENTIONED. WE'RE GETTING BETTER QUAIL FIED APPLICANTS, THE VACANCIESFIED APPLICANTS, LFIED APPLICANTS, FIED APPLICANTS, THE VACANCIES ARE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ARE H HAVE RETURNED TO HUTTO WHO WERE FORMER EMPLOYEES.

THE IDEA IS TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE THAT WHILE IT MAY NOT BE THE HIGHEST PAID OR HIGHEST THIS, COMBINED, IT'S A VERY

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ATTRACTIVE PACKAGE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT CAN BE LIKE A FAMILY FOR THEM AND THAT THEY CAN DEVOTE A CAREER TO THE CITY OF HUTTO AND CAN THEIR FAMILIES AND ALSO CAN ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE HUTTO COMMUNITY. IT'S MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. THE WAY BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED HERE HAS HELPED THAT, SO IT'S MOVING SLOWLY AND I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU WILL KICK IT IN HIGH GEAR IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS BUT WE HAVE GOOD, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.

THEY CHALLENGED THEIR CONSERVATIVE MANAGER WHEN A PARTICULAR SALARY POSITION NEEDS TO BE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE EMPLOYEE'S QUALIFICATIONS. I HAD ONE OF THOSE AT 5:59 TODAY THAT A CERTAIN PERSON BROUGHT TO ME SO IF THE SYSTEM IS WORKING,

IT CAN BE BETTER. >> I WILL NOT BOTHER YOUR LUNCH BREAK ANYMORE SINCE THIS IS YOUR LAST EVENING BY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE DAYS IT'S ABOUT BUSINESS.

WE DON'T JUST LET THE REQUESTS SIT ON OUR DESKS AND IT'S VERY TRUE THAT AT THE LAST SECOND, WHEN I SEE MR. TURNER AT THE OFFICE, THINGS ARE MOVING AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE FOR SOMEONE WHO USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO, HE SAID I WANT TO GO BACK HOME. HE WAS FROM A DIRECTOR TO A LOWER POSITION, SO THAT MEANS A LOT TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR, MAYBE YEAR AND A HALF, MOVING THE CITY IN A

POSITIVE DIRECTION. >> GOOD, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ARE A HUGE CHUNK SO IF WE FILL SOME OF THOSE VACANCIES.

>> YEAH. HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THAT. WE'RE TRYING OTHER WAYS AND MEANS NOT TO USE THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS.

>> AND THE PD HAS REMAINED ABOUT THE SAME?

>> IT'S STILL KIND OF A CHALLENGE THERE.

HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET BETTER. IT'S NOT AS DIFFICULT.

WE DO HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER THAT CAME BACK WHO USED TO WORK

FOR US, SO THAT'S GOOD. >> AWESOME.

THANK YOU, MS. IRENE. >> THINK.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK OFF MEETING ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT ENGINEERING. IT'S $2 MILLION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ENGINEERING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BUT I CAN SEE A FOCUS COMING UP ON ENGINEERING THAT YOU START THROWING $2 MILLION AT SOMETHING, SOMETHING HAS TO BE ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED AND SO THERE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS I HAVE THROWN OUT THAT EVERYBODY IS VERY POLITE AND THEY LISTEN AND MAYBE IT'S THE DUMBEST IDEA BUT LIKE THIS BUDGET, WE HAVE AIL HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS SINCE JILL BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME SO I WONDER HOCHE OF OUR STUFF HAS CHANGED BUT ENGINEER IS A BIG WIN, LIKE ABOUT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WE CAN TALK LATER ABOUT THAT.

>> SPEAKING OF, WHERE IS THAT IN THE BUDGET?

I CAN SEE ATTORNEY FEES. >> FOR ENGINEERING?

>> NO, FOR ATTORNEYS FEES. FOR ME, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWO SEPARATE LINE ITEMS, ONE FOR EVERYDAY COSTS TO HAVE THEM HERE, AGENDA SETTING, ALL OF THAT STUFF AND THEN TO HAVE ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON LITIGATION.

>> I CAN TELL YOU -- >> IT'S ON PAGE 90 AND PAGE 17 OF THE BUDGET PACKET. THERE'S LIKE A LEGAL AREA.

>> WHERE WE USED TO HAVE AN INTERNAL.

>> IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. >> SO THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF FROM REVIEWING CONTRACTS AND AGENDAS, IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND IN NONDEPARTMENTAL SO THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE IS 100% THE ATTORNEYS. SO ON PAGE 21 OF THE BUDGET HERE, MY PAGE 21. I'M NOT SURE WHAT COPY YOU HAVE BUT IN NONDEPARTMENTAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THAT'S

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YOUR DAY-TO-DAY. THE $750,000 THAT IS BUDGETS IN THE LGC IS FOR THE LITIGATION THAT THE CITY IS IN RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT'S VERY CONFUSING FOR AN EVERYDAY CITIZEN AS WELL.

SO NONDEPARTMENTAL IS WHERE LEGAL IS HOUSED?

>> YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELATED TO ANY ONE DEPARTMENT AND THAT LEGAL THAT'S THERE IS WHEN WE HAD AN ATTORNEY WORKING FOR THE CITY AS AN EMPLOYEE SO IT MAKES MORE SINCE TO BE THERE SO IT DIDN'T AFFECT ANY OTHER BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S NOTARYLATED TO CITY MANAGER OR FINANCE ORLAO CITY MANAGERRLATED TO CITY MANAGEELATED TO CITY MANAGER OR FINANCE OR

ANY OTHERS. >> SO NOTHING SELLS IN THAT

NONDEPART LEA? >> THAT 375 ISM?

>> THAEN? >> THAT?

>> THAA? >> THAL?

>> THAT 375 IS 100% LEGAL. >> THE OTHER LEGAL BECAUSE IT'S RELATED TO THE LGC TO COT UPON WOODT WO WN WWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THERE'S A HOPE, DEPENDING ON HOW THE LAWSUITING TURN OUT THAT WE MIGHT RECOUP SOME OF THAT BUT I RECOUP SOME OF THAT BUT IF NOT, IT'S THERE. THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE LGC PAID

FOR BY THE GENERAL FUND. >> SO LITIGATION THE LGC?

>> YEAH, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM IN THE LGC.

>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. >> SURE.

THAT WAS BEING CHARGED BEFORE I GOT HERE BUT THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CODING A LOT OF THAT.

I KNOW YOU HAD THAT QUESTION BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT'S GOING.

IT HELPS US TRACK IT, TOO, TO KEEP IT SEPARATE OVER THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. OTHER DISCUSSION?

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS BUDGET TO PUBLISH FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION ON THE POSTING

ON THE CITY WEBSITE. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> MOTIONED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AND YOU WANT THIS BUDGET AS

PRESENTED POSTED ON THE WEBSITE? >> WITH THE CORRECTION FOR THE

MISSPELLINGS? >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE.

CLARK. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. AYE.

GORDON. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. SUTTON.

MAYOR SNYDER. >> NAY.

[10.4. Presentation and possible action on a Capital Improvement Financing Plan (Angie Rios)]

MOTION PASSES 6-1. >> AS PART OF THIS, ALL OF THE CAPITAL THAT WE LOOKED AT AND TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THAT IS NOT REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET AS OF NOW, POSSIBLY TO CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE NEXT PRESENTATION BUT WE DO WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT WADE HAS PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION, ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD LAST WEEK BUT IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THOSE TRANSPORTATION, WATER, AND WASTE WATER PROJECTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU NOW, WE'RE GOING TO THE CIP ON THAT RIGHT

NOW. >> THIS IS 10.4?

>> IT'S BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WOULD FUND IT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT FOR WADE, HE CAN ANSWER THEM.

>> DO YOU HAVE A TIME LINE ON WHEN THEY WILL VOTE ON THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE OR WHATEVER THE TAX RATE IS?

>> ON THE 18TH. >> AND DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING? AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO CALL IT BY

AUGUST 11TH? >> NO, IT HAS TO BE CALLED WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS. YOU HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> LET'S CHECK THAT PART OF IT. BUT ARE WE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO

DO THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE

THE TAXES IF WE DON'T HAVE TO. >> ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU SAID AT

THE BEGINNING? >> RIGHT NOW IT HAS ESSENTIALLY A NO NEW REVENUE RATE IN IT BUT SINCE COUNCIL HAS NOT FORMALLY

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SEEN THE NUMBERS, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO BRING TO THIS

MEETING. >> OKAY, AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT LEEWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CERTIFIED ROLLS YET.

>> RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT ON THE 25TH .

>> YOU CAN HAVE THE HEARINGS >> IT'S MY PREFERENCE EVEN IF WE

DON'T LEGALLY HAVE TO. >> WE JUST NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND THE DATE TO TAKE ACTION.

>> SO AS WE LEAD INTO 10.4, WE HAVE THE FA TO TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL, HOW TO FINANCE IT BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO START OUT ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REMAINING ON THE PROJECTS BEFORE WE GET INTO FINANCING.

>> I THOUGHT IN THE E-MAIL IT RECOMMENDED THE LAKE SIDE SIDEWALKS COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND BUT THEY WERE PUT IN THE

CIP. >> THEY RE ALREADY IN THE PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GOT THAT INFORMATION OUT TO YOU.

I WOULD ASK THAT THOSE FUNDS STILL STAY IN THERE BECAUSE IN THE 21 AUDIT, THE GENERAL FUND HAD COVERED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DESIGN ON THE 1660 ROAD PROJECTS SO WE YELLED JUST CHANGE THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS TO BE FOR THOSE ROAD PROJECTS. THAT WAS AT 9:30/21 A /30/21 ANE THAT WAS AT 9:30/21 A INCURED RED MORE FEES.

AND THE 975 IS IN THIS BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

>> IF WE WERE JUST GOING TO BE ABLE TO MILL AND OVERLAY LIFE OAK THAT WAS A RELATIVELY SMALL EXPENDITURE WAITING TO DO THE FULL BUILDOUT IN THE FUTURE. I WOULD RATHER US DO THE WHOLE IMPORTANT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A MILLION PAVING IT.

MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO SWAP THAT OUT FOR THE FULL LIVE OAK

BUILD. >> WITH ON STREET PARKING OR

JUST DRAINAGE? >> THE PARKING TO ME IS OPTIONAL. THE DRAINAGE IS THE IMPORTANT

PART. >> FOR ME, IT'S DRAINAGE AND THE

ROAD. >> WE COULD LOOK AT ADDING ENHANCING EVEN MORE OF ON STREET PARKING AND OTHER THINGS.

OTHERWISE WE SPEND TALL MONEY ON ONE ROAD AND WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYBODY ELSE WE LIVE ON THE WRONG ROAD.

>> THE MAIN STREET PARKING IS NOT A PERCENTAGE.

>> BUT THAT SIDEWALK MONEY. >> YEAH.

>> I GUESS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD A CIP IN HUTTO.

AS SAD AS THAT IS TO SAY. I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, I WAS TELLING ISAAC, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN AFFORD A CIP IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO GET A SECOND OR THIRD JOB.

WE'LL HAVE TO EARN OUR PAY BY PRIORITIZING WHAT WE WANT DONE, HOW WE WANT IT DONE AND THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO SAY HOW MUCH WE WANT TO ALLOCATE EACH YEAR. WE CAN'T JUST DAY LET'S DO $50 MILLION IN PROJECTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRAG US OUT OF HERE BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME THINGS AND I'M LOOKING LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE EDC ROADS, THEY AGREED TO PUT THE ROADS IN FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THE EDC HAS THEIR OWN BUDGET AND PILE OF MONEY SO IF DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO PAY FOR DEVELOPMENT, PART OF ME IS THINKING WHY WOULD THE CITIZENS INCUR AN INCREASE IN THEIR TAX BILL FOR A DEVELOPMENT DEAL THAT THE EDC DID WHEN THE EDC WILL HAVE THEIR OWN POT OF MONEY AND THEIR OWN BONDING CAPACITY. SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WHILE IT'S GOOD TO BE ON THE CIP PLAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS WE WANT, THE SCOPE OF THOSE PROJECTS AND WHEN WE EXPECT THEM TO GET DONE BECAUSE I'M NOT KNOCKING THE SYSTEM HERE BUT WE HAVE HAD MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE BUDGETS.

ONE STARTS THIS YEAR, ONE NEXT YEAR AND THEN ONE AFTER THAT.

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF EMPTY PROMISES FOR PEOPLE THAT IN 2025 IT SHOULD BE DONE. WHER SIDEWALKS COME IN? I DON'T KNOW, THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TO GO AFTER THE WHEEL THING AT ONCE

>>. THESE ARE THE CRITICAL PROJECTS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ATTACK ALL OF THEM, IN PHASES BUT GOING AFTER IT. THERE ARE MANY MORE ROADS WE COULD DO AND OTHER PROJECTS OUT THERE AND TRANSPORTATION AND DRAINAGE BUT THESE ARE WHAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THESE SO QUICKLY. THE 1660 PROJECTS WERE VOTED ON AND APPROVED BEFORE MOST OF US WERE HERE.

WE CAN'T SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT.

CHOSE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN BY WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND THOSE WILL BE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE GOING FORWARD.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LINGERING AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE RATE STUDY, THE FAS, THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS AND ARE SURE THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THESE THINGS AND A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS INCLUDING THE PLAN EXPANSION, THEY DID HAVE IT GOING TO FOUR, WAS IN THE RATE STUDY. IT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND THEY KNEW IT. IT WAS BUILT INTO THAT.

THE CUSTOMERS WERE GOING TO COME, THE GROWTH ANTICIPATED, WE DID A MODERATE GROWTH METHOD SO THE CUSTOMERS COULD PAY FOR THAT SO THOSE PROJECTS WITH BUILD INTO A LOT OF THAT RATE STUDY.

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE, BUT THEN THE OTHER THING WITH THE EDC IS WE ARE WORKING TO, AS THE EDC BOARD DIRECTED, CREATE A TIRZ OUT THERE TO CREATE THE TAXES TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT THAT IS YOU

SEE FOR THE MEGA SITE. >> MR. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT.

WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY HEARD THE COMMENTS MADE.

ANGIE SITS IN ON ALL THE EDC MEETINGS, AS YOU KNOW.

WE ARE AWARE THERE ARE SOME FUNDING STRATEGY THAT IS WILL IMPACT THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE.

MIGHT I SUGGEST YOU ALLOW YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TO GO THROUGH THE FINANCING STRATEGIES AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS THIS HAS ON RATE PAYERS OR TAXPAYERS.

WE THINK WE DEVELOPED THIS UNDER THE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA YOU WANT TO HAVE. SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY WHETHER OR NOT THE EDC DECIDES TO PAY FOR CASH ON SOME OF THE ROADS ON THE A MEGA SITES AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A TIRZ SET UP, DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION, THE ARPA FUNDS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS SO WE UNDERSTAND IF THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW MUCH YOU GO OUT FOR BONDS, BUT THE PROJECTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE ON THE UTILITY SIDE CAME FROM YOU'RE MASTER PLANNING FOLKS AS WELL AS OUR FOLKS AND THE ROAD PROJECTS CAME FROM THE ENGINEERING PEOPLE. I WILL SAY THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHALLENGING EXPERIENCES RELATIVE TO CIP PROJECTS, BOTH IN TERMS OF FINANCING AND ACTUALLY GETTING THE CONTRADICTION ON THE ROAD THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL COMING OUT OF AND STILL HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS.

YOU HAVE A GROWING COMMUNITY WITH GROWING DEMANDS AND I DON'T MEAN TO PIT ANY UNDUE PRESSURE ON JAMES.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE HIM OUT TO DINNER OR SOMETHING AFTER I MAKE THIS STATEMENT, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T USE YOUR PAST TO DICTATE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS OUGHT TO BE OF YOUR STAFF. IT OUGHT NOT TO HAVE HAPPENED LIKE IT HAPPENED. IT TAUGHT NOT TO HAVE BEEN DONE LIKE IT WAS DONE. WE BELIEVE WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DONE. ALLOW, AS YOU SAID, TOO HAVE THE RESOURCES BUT TO HOLD THE STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TOO GET IT DONE AND THAT'S THE NEXT STEP THAT WE, AS A HUTTO COMMUNITY, HAVE GOT TO GET MORE IN THAT CYCLE AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE BUMPS ALONG THE ROAD, NO QUESTION. SOME GROWTH PROBLEMS, NO QUESTION, BUT YOU HAVE THE STAFF IN PLACE AND WE'RE TRYING TO STRUCTURE. THAT'S WHY THE CIP DOCUMENT IS THERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE DETAILS BUT FOCUS SOMEWHAT ON THE HIGHER LEVEL TO

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EH FOCUS ON THE CIP COMPONENT. IF YOU DON'T MOVE QUICKLY ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, YOU WILL HAVE SOME DIRE CHALLENGES WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR ON YOUR UTILITY C COMPONENTS.

SO HEAR THE FINANCIAL PRESENTATION AND THEN CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE BOTH IN TERMS OF BEING CONSERVATIVE ON IT AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO FINANCE WHAT'S NEEDED IS INCORPORATED TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WITHIN THAT.

>> THE ONLY REASON I BRING UP PRIORITIZING PROJECTS IS BECAUSE THERE'S A HESITANCY I HAVE ON THIS T 8 MEGA SITE NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL. PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED BUT THAT'S RATED AS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND THINKING OF ALL THE THINGS THAT'S RATED NUMBER ONE, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT'S A GOOD USE OF $8.3 MILLION WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S EVEN, LAST I CHECKED, EFB CLOSED ON LAND OVER THERE. WE HAVEEVEN CLOSED ON LAND OVER THERE. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ABLE TO USE T 7. I HEARD THERE WAS A DEAL THAT MAYBE THE FETCHED WOULD WANT A SECOND ROAD SO I'M HEARING MAYBES EQUAL PRIORITY ONES AND THESE ARE $8 MILLION DECISIONS SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING FROM A KIN SILL COUNCIL STANDPOINT F SAYING THE IDEA IS WE NEED TO BUCK UP AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO HANDLE $60 MILLION IN ROAD PROJECTS IN THREE YEARS, WE NEED TO HAVE A HEART TO HEART CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THEIR TAXES. I HAVE NEVER SEEN EVERYBODY BORROW $60 MILLION AND GO I WON'T COST YOU A PENNY.

>> THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD, THAT'S WHAT I READ, THAT'S WHAT I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT.

THIS IS ALL WITH NO TAX INCREASE TO THE CITIZENS.

>> TAX RATE >> TAX INCREASE, NOT TAX RATE.

I THINK WE'RE SCARING OURSELVES BEFORE WE HEAR WHAT THE REAL

ANSWER IS. >> I ONLY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE SHE OFFERED TO TALK ABOUT CIP PROJECTS BUT IT'S MY

UNDERSTANDING -- >> SO WHEN I'M STILL STANDING HERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING. I'M A CITIZEN IN THIS TUNE, TOO, AND I SEE SOME OF THIS AND I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF IT AND YOU HAD A POLL ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE, MAYOR, ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES WERE AND I BELIEVE ROADS WERE MENTIONED

NUMEROUS TIMES. >> YEAH, WE HAVE BEEN PROMISING LEMMER LOOP AND 1660 TO BE BUILT AND AT SOME POINT I'M GOING TO RUN OUT OF EXCUSED TO TELL PEOPLE.

>> IT'S NOT BEEN PART OF A CIP PLAN THAT'S BEEN FUNDED.

>> IT'S BEEN FUNDED EACH YEAR. >> WHAT YOU CAN DO ON THAT ONE, AS SOON AS I LEAVE, YOU CAN BLAME THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

>> TOMORROW. >> IT'S NOT ALL YOU.

THAT'S WHY I'M OFFERING TO HELP OUT WITH RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION.

I HAVE A SHOVEL. WHATEVER IT TAKES.

>> WE'RE NEARING THE FINAL PIECE, WE SAW SOME E-MAILS TODAY

TO MOVE IT FORWARD. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION OUT THERE THAT ALL THESE CIP PROJECTS WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SETS FOR THE WATER, WASTE WATER AND ROADS. PRIORITIES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN PRIORITY ONE YOU HAVE TO DO, PRIORITY TWO YOU MAY HAVE TO DO AND PRIORITY THREE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE DONE, IT'S JUST THE ORDER.

>> RIGHT. >> THE MIGHT HAVE TO DO, THEY'RE NOT ON THE LIST. AND I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE THE HAVE TO DOS AND THE LIST OF HERE'S WHAT WE CUT OUT. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE THAT.

>> MAYOR PROTEM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT TEM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NORMALLY YOU HAVE A FIVE YEAR LIST OF PROJECTS THAT YOU PICK AND CHOOSE BUT IF WE WAITED UNTIL THE NOVEMBER TIME LINE THAT THE PLASTER PLAN IS DONE AND YOU GOT THROUGH YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION GROUP AND THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT REPORT WAS DONE.

IF WE WAITED UNTIL THEN BEFORE YOU COULD KICK OFF SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS, YOU WOULD BE INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

YOU WOULD BE INTO THE NEXT YEAR WITH A UTILITY SYSTEM THAT WOULD

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HAVE PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE NOT ONLY STAYING UP AT TIGHT BUT SWEATING ALL THROUGH THE DAY THINKING SOMETHING IS GOING TO BREAK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO PUSH THROUGH THE SYSTEM OR HAVE THE PRESSURE, ETC., ETC. I ASKED FOR TO TELL US WHAT THE IMMEDIATELY NEEDED PROJECTS WERE.

YOU HAD A PRESENTATION FROM FREES, NICHOLS AND GARVER AND THE GRAPH SHOWED AN ALARMINGLY CLOSE TO WHAT OUR CAPACITIES ARE PARTICULARLY ON THE WATER SIDE AND IN A FEW YEARS ON THE WASTE WATER SIDE. SO WHAT I ASKED TO DO, I SAID LOOK, PULL OUT WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE IMMEDIATELY.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SEE, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL.

THE REST OF THE EYE TIMES, YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL YOUR MASTER PLAN IS FINISHED SO WE WENT AND GRABBED PROJECTS BEFORE THEY WERE COMPLETED DURING THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE IF WE WAIT UNTIL THEY GET DONE YOU WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THEM BEFORE YOU NEED THE SERVICES FROM THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE IDENTIFIED THESE AS.

IN MY MIND, I IDENTIFIED THEM AS IMMEDIATELY NEEDED, URGENTLY NEEDED AND WE NEED TO GET SOME THINGS STARTED, FOR EXAMPLE T WASTEWATER PLANT BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG TO DO IT.

IF WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION NEXT YEAR, NEXT SUMMER AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE SOME DIRE CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET WATER TO SERVICING PEOPLE AND AS A PROFESSIONAL, I WOULD HAVE NE CLACKED MY DUTIES NOT TO RAISE THE ALARM, RING THE BELL, BRING YOU A PLAN ANDNEGLECTED MY DUTIE THE ALARM, RING THE BELL, BRING YOU A PLAN AND BRING YOU A PLAN TOO FINANCE IT. THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL CIP PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE ONE IN THREE TO FOUR YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THE BOND LEA IN A FEW YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CIP PLAN IN A LONG TIME SO WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THE FLY SO WE WON'T RUN INTO A DISASTER. PEOPLE, STAFF, IF I'M SAYING ANY

OF THIS WRONG, PLEASE. >> AND THE CIP WOULD BE ITS OWN PROCESS NORMALLY. WE WILL BEGIN TO DO THAT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT. I'LL WORK WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT REGULARLY AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT AND WE'LL TRULY CREATE

THAT PLAN >> IT WILL GET EASIER AFTER YOU HAVE IT FOR A WHILE. YOU HAVE THE BASE PLAN FROM LAST YEAR, UPDATE THAT AND CARRY IT OUT AND THE DETAILS WILL BE THERE AND PLEASE REMEMBER ON THESE PROJECTS, YOU HAVE THE SUMMARIES AND INDIVIDUAL PAGES WITH PICTURES SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU A VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF DETAIL AND IT WILL GET BETTER

AS WE GO ALONG. >> CAN I ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION OPT ONON THE TAX RATE? ARE YOU SAYING THE NO NEW

REVENUE WILL COME DOWN -- >> THE NO NEW REVENUE IS MACED ONEDBEDAEDSED ON MNO.

THEY ARE TOGETHER [INAUDIBLE] >> WHEN YOU HAVE NEW PROPERTIES AND SOME PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'RE PAYING MORE, THAT INCARP RATES ALL OF THAT. THE OTHER THINGORPORATES ALL OF THAT. THE OTHER THING WE HAVE IS THE SA SALES TAX THAT'S BEING APPLIED,

TOO. >> I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO BORROW. I THINK I READ THE RATE WON'T INCREASE BUT IF IT'S NO TAX MONEY RAISED OUT OF PEOPLE, THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING, SO CAN WE JUST GO TO 10.4?

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITEM WE'RE ON. >> WE HAVE ANDRE FROM HILLTOP SECURITIES HERE AND HE HAS PRESENTED COPIES OF THE PRESENTATION FOR Y'ALL BUT I WILL LET HIM TAKE OVER AND GO

THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU. >> LET ME ANUANCE THE ITEM BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING. 10.4, PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FINANCING PLAN.

>> ALL RIGHT, WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO FOR THE CITY WAS TO PREPARE A PLAN OF FINANCE FOR ROAD TRANSPORTATION, WATER AND

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SEWER IMPROOICHLTS. YOU SHOULD HAVEPROVEMENTS.

YOU SHOULD HAVE A HANDOUT SO YOU CAN FOLLOW SOME OF THE DETAILS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO ASK A QUESTION THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, STOOP ME. I WANT TO MAKE THIS AS INTERACTIVE AS POSSIBLE AND ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

OKAY OKAY. WE PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT'S COMPRISED OF TWO DEBT OBLIGATIONS.

ONE IS A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FOR TRANSPORTATION ROADS, STREETS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YOU HAVE VOTING THERE'D FOR THAT AND THE SECOND IS A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS. THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AT $43,800,000 AND CHANGE. AND THEN WE HAVE $51.6 MILLION NET OF ARPA MONEY FOR WATER AND SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDES 15 THROUGH 18 OF YOUR HANDOUT, YOU HAVE THOSE DETAILS. WE DO HAVE BONDS AND CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. YOU HAVE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS THAT WERE VOTED. THE PLAN OUTLINES AND AMORTIZATION FOR THE BONDS AND ALSO THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. THE GO BOND IS NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE. THE WAY THIS PLAN WAS MODELED WAS TO STAY WITHIN THAT RATE FOR 2023 AND THEN WITH SOME GROWTH, THAT'S TANGIBLE BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE FROM PLANNING. THAT RATE SHOULD STAY FLAT OR DIMINISH A LITTLE BIT. THE CITY IS EXPERIENCING TREMENDOUS GROWTH, AS YOU KNOW. THIS IS BASED ON INFORMATION FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE 37% GROWTH IN TAX BASE VALUE THAT CAN BE APPLIED FOR THE REPAYMENT OF EXISTING BONDS AND THIS UPCOMING BOND FOR ROAD AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. THE CONSERVATIVE GROWTH WE HAVE HERE IS BASED ON INFORMATION FROM PLANNING PLUS A HAIRCUT.

BY A HAIRCUT I MEAN WE SHAVED OFF SO IF PLANNING SAID WE'RE GOING TO GROW 10% BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN PERMITS, WE PUT IN 5. THE BUDGETS TRUE INTEREST COST IS 3.93%. THE INTEREST RATE HAVES NOT GONE UP ALTHOUGH THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS INCREASED.

ON THE COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES.

THIS MODEL FOR THIS PARTICULAR OBLIGATION, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE CIP, JUST THIS OBLIGATION DOES NOT EXPECT TO HAVE A UTILITY RATE INCREASE FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

JUST FOR THIS OBLIGATION. AND THE BUDGETS INTEREST RATE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE SET DIFFERENT FROM THE CO, WE HAVE A 3.99%, AGAIN, DIGITI TO CHANGEDIFFERENT FROM THE CO, WEA 3.99%, AGAIN, DIGITI TO CHANGE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CO, WE HAVE A 3.99%, AGAIN, DIGITI TO CHANSUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME. THE BONDS, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY.

YOU GOT A LOT OF BIDS BACK THEN IN A TURBULENT MARKET, WE GOT IT DONE AT A GOOD RATE SO WE BELIEVE THIS CAN BE DONE IN THE SAME MANNER. YOU HAVE A GO POND, A CERTIFICATE AMORTIZED IN THE SAME MORN AND WHOEVER GIVES YOU THE LOWEST INTEREST COST WINS, SIMPLE AS THAT.

THIS WOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TEXAS AG OFFICE.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THE BOONED COUNSELLOR IS HERE TONIGHT TOND COUNSELLOR IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. WE ARE RATED AT AN AA MINUS.

NOT LONG AGO THE CITY HAS AN AA MINUS NEGATIVE OUT LOOK.

RECENTLY IT WAS REVISED TO STABLE.

WITH THAT I DID HOMEWORK HERE AND WITH THAT RATING, WHICH IS A HIGH INVESTMENT RATE RATING, STABLE OUT LOOK, WE DON'T NEED TO GO FOR A SECOND RATING, WE CAN SELL BOTH OBLIGATIONS WITH

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AN S&P RATING AT DOUBLE MINUS. IT TALKS ABOUT THE CITY AND HOW IT HAS COME FORWARD SINCE WE HAD SOME TURBULENCE HERE IN HUTTO.

THE STRUCTURE OF THE DEBT SERVICE, WE STRUCTURE THIS SO WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE WANT TO ACHIEVE A TAX RATE OF 15.61¢ IN THE MODEL AND THE YOU TILT DEBT AS WELL SO IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT DAY ONE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO RAISE RATES OR RAISE TAX RATES FOR THAT.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

HERE'S THE SCALE OF THE CREDIT RAIDING IN SLIDE NUMBER FIVE.

THE CITY OF HUTTO, AGAIN, IS AN AA MINUS RATED CITY BY STANDARD AND POOR'S AND OUR OUT LOOK HAS CHANGED FROM NEGATIVE TO STABLE RECENTLY. I PUT HERE SOME OF THE OPINIONS FROM AS&P. THE RATING WITH THE EXPECTATION OF POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THE LAST YEAR WERE CITED IN THERE AND FISCAL MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND POLICIES.

WE DO HAVE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT BUT ERG IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. A CHANGE IN OUT LOOK IS OBVIOUSLY A POSITIVE THING. THIS IS GETTING INTO THE NUMBERS, INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT IN SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN.

WE SHOWED YOU, COUNCIL, ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS HOW THESE BONDS WOULD LOOK FROM A SOURCES AND USES STANDPOINT.

SOURCES MEANING THE AMOUNT BORROWED WHICH IS THE PAR AMOUNT OF THE BOND OR CERTIFICATE AND THE USES OF FUNDSMENT ON THE BOND, THE BUDGET WOULD SAY OKAY WE HAVE 44 MILLION AND WE WOULD FINANCE 43.8 MILLION IN PRONTOS AND THE REMAINDER PAYS THE BOND UNDERPRONTOS AND THE REMAINDER THE BOND UNDER [INAUDIBLE] LOOKING AT THE TOTALS, WE HAVE 96.9 MILLION TO FINANCE 95.4 AMOUNT OF PROJECTS PLUS THE UNDERWRITER AND FINANCING COSTS. I'M GOING TO SKIP SLIDE EIGHT AND REFER TO THAT AS WE GO THROUGH QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS BUT THAT'S JUST THE MATHEMATICAL PROOF OF HOW WE GOT TO THE 15.61

SET SERVICE TAX RATE TARGET. >> THE COUNCIL ALLOWED ME TO SPEND TIME ADDRESSING THEM ON SLIDE EIGHT.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND JUST GO OVER THOSE NUMBERS IN PURPLE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHANGE FROM BEFORE TO NOW.

I'M GLAD YOU DID THAT BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID OF DOING THAT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THAT THING AS WELL AS YOU DO.

>> OKAY, ON THIS SLIDE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK YOUR FISCAL YEAR 2022 TAXABLE ASSESS EVALUATION AT $2.8 BILLION AND WE'RE STILL IN FISCAL YEAR 22, WE HAD ALMOST $4 MILLION WORTH OF DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. THE TAX RATE LEVIED LAST YEAR WAS 15.61. WHAT WE CHANGED WAS THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 2023 WE GOT REVISED INFORMATION FROM WILLIAMSON CAN'T APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND THEY PLUGGED IN A 3.$8 BILLION TAX LEA ASSESS EVALUATION NUMBER IN THERE WHICH REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 37% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.

OUR EXISTING SET DEFENSE PAYMENTS ARE 4.1 MILLION IF YOU LOOK AT COLL CLAM D AND THE UPCOMING PAYMENTUMN D AND THE UPCOMING PAYMENT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR WILL BE 1.9 MILLION.

THE COUNTY IS APPLYING EXCESS TAXES SO WE HAVE A NET INCLUDING THE BONDS PRODUCING A 15.60 TAX RATE.

>> SO IF IT STAYS THE SAME AS THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR AND NEXT YEAR AND MY HOUSE GOES UP 150% BECAUSE I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY MY TAXABLE VALUE OF MY HOME WILL GO UP 10% NEXT YEAR BECAUSE I HAVE LIKE FIVE OR SIX YEARS OF ROLLOVER COMING, HOW CAN MY VALUE GO UP 10%, THE DEBT RATE PAY AT 15.60 BUT I DON'T PAY A

BIT MORE IN TAXES? >> WE WERE TEALED EARLIER NO TAX BILL INCREASE AND NO TAX RATE INCREASE.

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IF THE TAX RATE STAYS THE SAME, IT'S HIKE IF I COULD HAVE IN OUR INVESTMENT POLICY THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT TAX RATES, WE CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT TAX BILLS, I THINK IT SIMPLIFIES THINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE PUT OUT THERE YOU CAN DO AIM THIS STUFF WITHOUT YOUR TAX RATE GOING UP AND THEN WHEN THE BILLS GO UP ABLAME THE ASSESSMENTS BY WE KNEE WHAT THE ASSESSMENTS WERE TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE VOTED FOR THE TAX RATE SO THAT'S WHERE I

SAID THIS IS A TAX INCREASE. >> WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT M

AND O. >> IF IT GOES DOWN, THERE'S NO

INCREASE. >> THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO RUN CITY HALL WITH AN MNO RATE LIKE THAT.

>> THEY SAY THEY CAN. >> THERE'S NO WAY.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO STARVE. >> I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION, I LOVE THIS STUFF. WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS THAT WE ARE SAYING, MR. MAYOR, THAT THE SHIFT IS GOING TO BE MORE TO THE DEBT ANT LESS TO THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, SO BUT THAT NET, THERE WON'T BE MORE FOR YOUR AVERAGE TAXPAYER WHO WON'T PAY MORE THIS UPCOMING YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.

THE PROOF IN THE PUDDING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND ANGIE IS CLEARLY SAYING THEY GOT THE NUMBERS, THE VALUES ON THE 25TH AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS.

WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS INITIALLY AS WE REPAIRED THE BUDGET, USED OUR EXPERIENCE AND MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.

RATHER THAN TRYING TO RUSH HER AND FINANCE AND SAY YOU HAVE TO GET ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS HERE TONIGHT.

WE WANT TO ALLOW FINANCE, HER AND HER PEOPLE, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT NUMBERS AND GO BACK THROUGH THEM AND CHECK THEM. JUST LOOK AT THEM OVERNIGHT AND NOT JUST RUSH THEM BUT OUR COMMITMENT TO YOU IS THAT WE HAVE CALCULATIONS WHERE THERE WON'T BE MORE PAYMENT FOR YOUR AVERAGE TAXPAYER WHO LIVES IN HUTTO.

THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES, I GRANT YOU THAT, BUT BASICALLY NO NET REVENUE INCREASE AND THE BURDEN IS SHIFTING SO THAT DEBT SERVICE IS GOING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND THE ONM IS COVERED BY BY THE GROWTH IN THE VALUES AND YOU'RE GETTING A LOT MORE IN

TERMS OF SALES TAX. >> NO NEW REVENUE IS ONLY ABOUT THE PROPERTIES ON THE ROLL LAST YEAR SO THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF IT. THE NO NOW REV NIGH IS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE. IT DOESN'T DIRECT THE 500 MILLION, THOSE WILL GET TAXED ON THAT.

THAT'S FOR YOU AND YOU. >> THERE ARE 2080 HOME THAT IS JOINED THE TAX ROLLS. THE AVERAGE IS $400,000, THEY PAY $1,700 IN TAXES. IT'S LIKE 3.6 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE. WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE GOING TO SKEET THE MNO 0 RAISE THE INS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S GOING TO BE AN EVEN STEVEN, THE MNO CAN ONLY RAISE BY 3% A YEAR.

I WOULD RATHER SEE THINGS LIKE SALES TAX REVENUECAN ONLY RAISE I WOULD RATHER SEE THINGS LIKE SALES TAMNO CAN ONLY RAISE BY 3.

I WOULD RATHER SEE THINGS LIKE SALES TAYEAR.

I WOULD RATHER SEE THINGS LIKE SALES TAX REVENUE BOND.

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>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING MORE SALES TAX TO THAT PROPERTY TAX AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING, THAT THAT NUMBER IS KNOCKING 0.06 OR 0.07 OFF A RATE OR MORE THAT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE SO HIGH WHERE THAT COULD FLIP IN A COUPLE OF YEARS DEPENDING ON WHAT A RECESSION MEANS OR WHAT THAT BRINGS TO US OR THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF IT. THAT DRIVES IT DOWN MORE THAN NORMAL SO FACTOR THIS NO NEW REV KNEW AND THIS IS WHAT YOU GET AND YOU ALSO HAVE TOO ADD IN THE SALES TAX.

>> THAT'S WHY IT DROPPED 8¢ LAST YEAR.

>> RIGHT. >> IN LOOKING AT THIS AND AS YOUR INTERIM MANAGER, WE LISTENED TO THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU IDEALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS IN.

WE THEN LOOKED AT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND IN TERMS OF THE VALUES AND THE SALES TAXES.

I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU JUST IN LOOKING AT THE FUTURE FOR THIS, I AM ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BECAUSE UNLESS WE BOTCHED SOMETHING UP MAJOR, THIS WHOLE PICTURE IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT TWO YEARS FROM NOW. UNLESS WE MESS UP SOME OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THESE ARE ALREADY CONSERVATIVE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

WE OUGHT NOT BE IN A SITUATION, MR. MAYOR WHERE, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TOO KEEP THE RATES ON THE ONM KEEP THE RATES ON THE ONM SIDE AS THEY ARE. YES, WE APPRECIATE MORE RESOURCES ON STAFF BUT SOME OF US ON STAFF ARE QUITE CONSERVATIVE, TOO, AND I THINK WE'RE IN A VERY GOOD SPOT AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD PROJECTION AND HUTTO OUGHT TO BE BLOWING THE WALLS IN TERMS OF ADDING THE TAX EVALUATIONS NEW DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE GOING TO TO HAVE AND SAMSUNG IS GOING AND BLOWING ANG IS GOING AND BLOWING AND FORECASTING MORE.

THAT IS IMPACTING US ALREADY. THERE'S NOTHING BUT UPSIDE FOR US ON THIS. EVEN IF THE OVERALL ECONOMY SLOWS DOWN, WE'RE IN A HIGH GROWTH AREA SO WE'RE INSULATED FROM SOME OF THAT. I'M GETTING TOO PHILOSOPHICAL BUT I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD CONSERVATIVE PROJECTION AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE TWO TO THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ARE GOING TO BE WAY HIGHER THAN THOSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.

AND SHE WILL GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH

THE DATA. >> HERE'S ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE, JAMES, AND ISAAC, TOO, BUT HE'S LEAVING BUT ONE THING, BEFORE I CAN VOTE FOR $45 MILLION, I'LL BE HONEST, WHATEVER WE'RE TOLD TONIGHT IS SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING OF IF THIS GROWTH COMES, WE SHOULD BE GETTING LOTS OF IMPACT FEES BECAUSE WE INSTITUTE A $4,000 PER HOME AND BUSINESS AND WHERE IS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR? HOW MANY MILLIONS ARE WE EXPECTED TO GET WITH THAT GROWTH? WHAT ABOUT THE PID? WE HAVE DONE SIX PIDS AND EACH OF THEM IS MONEY THAT'S KICKED IN, WHERE IS THAT COMING INTO AND I SAW THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF $44 MILLION IS THE NUMBER. I WOULD HATE TO BORROW $44 MILLION, IT NOT BE CALLABLE FOR 7 OR 10 YEARS AND THEN WE GO WE HAVE $63 MILLION, WHY DID WE HAVE SO MUCH AND WE SAY WHY DID WE SELL A BINGE OF DATE SO WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE COMING? IF IT DOESN'T COME IN, WE DON'T HAVE GROWTH.

AND THIS IS FOR GO. WOVEN WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THE BRIDGE DESIGN? WHEN THE BRIDTHE BRIDGE DESIGN? IF IT TAKES A YEAR TO DEVELOP 1660, WHY WOULD WE SPEND MILLIONS ON A BRIDGE IF IT'S NOT BUILT UNTIL 2025? I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO DO THIS. THE EASIEST IS ASK FA HOW MUCH CAN WE BORROW? OKAY, LET'S GO BORROW THIS MUCH.

WE HAVE MILLIONS IN IMPACT AND PID FEES COMING IN.

I HAVE YET TO EVER SEE ANY PROJECTIONS AND THEN THE EDC HAS A $60 MILLION CONTRACT ON A PIECE OF LAND.

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WHEN THAT COMES IN, THEY WILL WANT TO BUILD OR BUY SOMETHING WITH IT. SO WE CAN USE ALL THAT.

>> SO YOU'RE SAYING $44 MILLION FOR ROADS, YOU GO OUT FOR THE BONDS, GET AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT MUCH YOU DON'T TAKE THAT OUT ON DAY ONE. YOU DON'T BOAR ROADWAY THAT 44 DMRRS MILLION ON DAY ONE. YOU BORROW IT AS YOU NEED IT AND AS THE NEXT PROJECT IS READY TO GO AND IT NEEDS FUNDING YOU TAKE

THAT OUT, RIGHT? >> NO, THIS IS GETTING A HOME EQUITY LINE FOR $100,000, I'M BUILDING A PULL IN THREE YEARS

BUT I WANT ALL THE MONEY TODAY. >> WE FEED TO BE WORK ON IT AND HAVE THE CASH ON HAND. FOR THE 132 OVERPASS RIGHT NOW

IS JUST THE DESIGN. >> BUT YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THAT

MONEY WHEN YOU NEED IT. >> NO, WE'RE GOING TO VERB THE

$40 MILLION RIGHT NOW. >> SO LET ME SAY WE'RE TAKING DOWN THE MONEY WHEN WE NEED IT, YES, AND WE'RE SAYING WE NEED IT

NOW. >> OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING IT. THE REASON YOU'RE TAKING IT ALL NOW IS BECAUSE YOU NEED IT ALL NOW.

>> YES >> SO YOU WILL SEE ON HERE THAT

IF. >> SO YOU WILL SEE ON HERE THAT IF YOU LOOK ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS, YOU WILL SEE ZERO NEXT TO SOME OF THEM AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT FUNDING IS NOT NEEDED NOW OR FOR THE WASTEWATER YOU SEE MONEY FOR DESIGN BUT NOTHING FOR CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS ARE NOT NEEDED NOW. THAT'S THE REASON THE MAYOR

SAID. >> BUT MAYOR'S ISSUE, WE HAVE SOME OF THEM THAT ARE ZERO, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN TODAY AND YOU ALLOCATED $44 MILLION TO DO THAT, YOU STILL CAN'T BUILD IT SO WHAT'S THE DEBT RATE GOING TO BE WHEN WE HAVE TO ISSUE THE

BONDS TO GO BUILD IT. >> THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD DESIGN ALL THIS STUFF IN THE NEXT YEAR AND SO AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT VERY POSITIVELY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ENGINEERED ONE INTERSECTION IN A YEAR-AND-A-HALF.

WE WANT ALL THIS DONE TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $1.9 MILLION IN CARRY COSTS OUR FIRST YEAR, SO $2 MILLION JUST SITTING ON THE MONEY IN THE BANK WHILE WE WORK THROUGH AND BID OUT THIS DESIGN AND BID OUT THAT DESIGN AND WORK ON THIS AND THEN IF IT TAKES TWO YEARS OF DESIGN, WHICH I IMAGINE IF IT TAKES A YEAR-AND-A-HALF TO DO AN INTERSECTION, NOW YOU HAVE SPENT TWO MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE COST BEFORE YOU GET TO ROLL AND LAY ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. WHY WOULDN'T YOU SELL $10 MILLION NOW. I UNDERSTAND IT COSTS MORE TO ISSUE BUT MY GUESS IS THE COST OF THE INTEREST WILL FAR EXCEED THE COST OF ISSUANCE AND THEN NEXT YEAR, OKAY, NOW WE HAVE THE BRIDGE DESIGNED OR THIS INTERSECTION.

THEN WE NEED $8 MILLION AND THEN WE SELL ANOTHER TRANCHE.

WE HAVE THE PILLAR THAT SAYS GROW RESPONSIBLY IN SUSTAINABILITY. I THINK TO GO AND PULL OUT $40

MILLION >> WE HAVE ALREADY VETTED THOSE FIRMS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE READY.

IT WON'T TAKE AS LONG AS YOU THINK AND THE FIRST THREE ON THE LIST, WE'RE FULLY FUNDING THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED OF THE BOND. SOME OF THE MONEY IS FOR THAT.

THESE WILL GET GOING QUICKER. >> CAN WE MOVE SOME ENGINEERS AROUND AND GET SOMEONE TO FINISH IT? LAST WE HEARD, 1660 SOUTH AND 79 WILL NOT EVEN BE ENGINEERED

UNTIL NEXT YEAR. >> IT'S NOT THE ENGINEERING OR ON THEM, IT'S MORE TO DO WITH THE RAILROAD AND THAT.

THAT'S NOT US SLOWING THAT DOWN. >> AND IS THE ISSUE THERE THAT WE NEED TO FULLY FUND THOSE PROJECTS BEFORE WE COULD FULLY FUND THE OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF FIXING THINGS WITH THE

AG. >> THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED.

YOU HAVE TO DO THOSE PROJECTS. WE'LL FUND THOSE, PUT THE MONEY

TO THE SIDE. >> AND THAT'S OUR FIX FOR BEING IN TROUBLE FOR THE CITY NOT DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.

>> YES. >> SO WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND THE SUM NOW TO, ONCE AGAIN, FIX PREVIOUS MISTAKES.

>> SO THE WINS I WOULD REQUEST ARE THE MEGA SITE EXPENSES.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE CITY TO PUT FORWARD FOR SOMETHING THAT WE THINK MAY BE FUNDED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

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IF YOU TOLD ME WE HAD TO PUT UP $5 MILLION TO GET STARTED AND WE GET THE TIRZ AND THE EDC GOING ON THAT AND COME BACK AND

COLLECT MORE. >> WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO THAT WITH THE FA AND WE WILL BE MEETING WITH THE EDC BOARD TO SEE IF WE CAN'T SET UP AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOCATE SAILS TAX THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. WE WOULD CREATE A PLAN TO COVER THE DEBT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TIRZ GOES DOWN AS THE TIRZ KICKS

IN TO COVER THAT DEBT. >> THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PART OF

THE DEBT HERE >> BUT WE NEED THE CITY TO ISSUE THE BONDS BECAUSE THE EDC HAS A LOWER BOND RATING THAN THE CITY SO IF WE USE THE CITY TO DO THE BONDING AND PLEDGE THE EDC FUNDS TO BACK FILL IT YOU'RE FINE BUT WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THE CITY FUND THAT. OTHERWISE YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY FOR INTEREST THAN YOU HAVE TO.

>> THE EDC IS NOT THE SAME RATING AND BECAUSE IT'S A SALES TAX, IT'S DIFFERENT ISSUING THAT BOND.

THIS IS A BETTER WAY AND LOWER COST.

>> SO GETTING AN GROEMENT WITH EDC, WILL WEAGREEMENT WITH EDC, WILL WE BE ABLE TO LOWER THE IMPACT AT INS FOR THAT DEBT?

>> YES. >> IN TIME FOR THIS BUDGET?

>> NO. >> BUT SHE DOESN'T NEED TO.

IN THE FUTURE IT WILL BE EVEN BETTER.

>> I NEED TO SEE ALL THE MATH ON THAT AND DON'T FORGET.

NO NEW REVENUE IS GREAT FOR HOME OWNERS BUT IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS OWNER OR A RENTER IN A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE HOMESTEAD PROTECTION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR TAX WILL GO DOWN, IT WILL GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY NO MATTER WHAT YOU. DO

>> YOU BRING A GREAT POINT. TALKING ABOUT NOR STAR APARTMENTS, THEIR VALUE WENT UP 42% YEAR OVER YEAR.

ALL THE PEOPLE THERE WILL SEE DRAMATIC INCREASES IN THEIR RUNT BECAUSE YOUR VALUE CAN'T GO UP 42% AT THE SAMENT BECAUSE YOUR VALUE CAN'T GO UP 42% AT ENT BECAUSE YOUR VALUE CAN'T GO UP 42% AT THE SAME TAX RATE.

THE INVESTMENT PROPERTY, THE RENTAL PROPERTY, WE WANT TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES BUT IF WE INCREASE THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, WE'RE HURTING THEM WHICH IS WHY A VALUE MEAL AT DAIRY QUEEN IS $12 NOW. WAGES HAVE GONE UP AND OUR TAXES

HAVE GONE UP. >> THE APARTMENTS, IT TAKES ALL

OF THAT -- [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S ROLLED INTO THE OVERALL TOTAL BUT MY HOUSE CAN ONLY GO UP 10%.

MY NEIGHBOR WHOSE HOUSE IS RENTED WENT UP 40%.

THEIR BILL IS PROBABLY STILL GOING UP BECAUSE IT'S 40% HIGHER VALUE. IF YOU AVERAGE TO KEEP MY BILL AND MY NEIGHBOR'S BILL THE SAME, MY GIBILL -- [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> IT WILL GIVE A HOMESTEAD PERSON A LOWER TAX BILL BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IS MADE UP BY THE PEOPLE WHO WENT UP --

>> NO, NO, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

>> YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WALGREENS.

THEIR TAX BILL WENT UP. >> COMMERCIAL DOES NOT HAVE THE LIMITATION OF A 10% TAX BUT RESIDENTIAL DOES, WHETHER IT'S HOMESTEAD OR NOT SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT PART.

>> THAT ONLY APPLIES TOO THE HOMESTEAD.

>> I GUARANTEE YOU IT DOES NOT APPLY TO RENTAL PROPERTY.

>> BUT IT MATTERS ON THE COUNTY. SOME COUNTIES ALSO PUT IN HALF A CENT TOWARDS THE REDUCTION OF THAT RATE.

IT'S A COMPLICATED FIGURE TO MAKE OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TIRZ. ONCE YOU GET ENOUGH INCREMENT STABILIZED IN TIRZ -- [INAUDIBLE] THE MONEY THEY'RE THAT WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPENDED BY THIS BOND, WHICH IS WITHIN THOSE TIRZ BOUNDARIES WILL BE SUBJECT TO REIMBURSEMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN PERIODICALLY DURING THE LIFE OF THE TIRZ UNTIL ALL OF THE PROJECTED INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS ARE COMPLETED AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A FINANCE PLAN THAT

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WILL ALSO SHE THE ORDER IN WHICH PEOPLE GET PAID AND THAT MAY BE, SAY, 40% OF ALL FUNDS COME IN FIRST GO TO THE CITY.

THE OTHER 60% OF ALL FUNDS ARE SPRIT UP THREE WAYS AND THEY GO TO PROPERTIES A, B, AND C UNTIL YOU END UP PAYING THEM BACK THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT THEY ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE TIRZ SO THERE'S LUMP SUM FUNDING THAT WILL ALSO HAVETHERE'S LUMP SUM WILL ALSO HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR

NUMBERS HERE. >> ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES GO UP. FIVE DIFFERENT PLAYS IN HUTTO ARE PAYING MORE THAN LAST YEAR AND WE PASSED NO NEW REVENUE.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE I HAVE EVER SEEN IS A HOMESTEADED HOME OWNER.

ANYTHING THAT'S A FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION WILL PAY MORE IN TAXES BECAUSE THEIR VALUE WENT UP AND THE RATE IS THE SAME.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A 40% INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE AND THE RATES STAY THE SAME OR GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE IT MAKES THE HOME OWNERS STAY THE SAME. THE MATH DOESN'T WORK OUT.

>> THE ONE OTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEBT SERVICES RATE THAT STARTS AT 15.61 IN THE PROPOSED SPREADSHEET, YOUR RACE IS REDUCING AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT RATE IS, THERE WILL BE REDUCTIONS IN RATE OVER TIME IF

THIS IS WHAT FUTURE COUNCILS DO. >> ASSUMING VALUES GO UP.

SAY WE HIT A BAD RECESSION AND WE GET A 20% DROP IN PROPERTY VALUE, THEN THE TAX RATE HAS TO GO UP

>> NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING LESS IN INTEREST EACH YEAR AND THE PRINCIPAL STAYS THE SAME AND THEY'RE ASSUMING THE SAME TAX VALUE GOING FORWARD.

>> IF WE HAVE A 20% DECREATION, THE INS HAS TO GO UP.

SO WHEN PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE, YOUR INS RATE DROPS WITH NO EFFORT BY ELECTED PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T BOAR ROADWAY MORE.

THE BIGGEST JOKE IN CENTRAL TEXAS, I DID YOU GOOD, I LOWER YOUR TAX RATE. WE'LL HAVE A CORRECTION.

EVERYBODY WHO PREACHES I LOWED YOUR RATE WILL HAVE TO RAISE RATES TO TAKE IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PAY THE SAME DEBT SERVICE. THIS PROJECTION IS ALL BASED ON RATES INCREASING OVER TIME AND I'M SURE AT SOME POINT --

>> THERE'S ZERO -- >> SORRY, VALUES INCRIESING.

>> 2024, A 9% INCREASE, AFTER 2026 IT'S 0.

>> THE BIG THING MISSING ON THE CHART IS IT DOESN'T ANTICIPATE ANY FUTURE DEBT. THERE'S GOING TO BE FUTURE DEBT.

AS SOON AS CITY COUNCIL PASSES ANOTHER $50 MILLION IN BONDS,

EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE. >> WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING ENGINEERING AND BARRING A CATAS CATASTROPHIC HICCUP, WE SHOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING IN FROM THE EDC THAT THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT

SPENDING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> AND I AGREE THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'LL BE MUCH BETTER OFF.

>> I LIKE TO BE AS CONSERVATIVE AS WE CAN UNTIL THAT MONEY

COMES. >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT IF WE DON'T MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE WON'T GET TO WHERE THE VISION IS FOR THE MEGA SITE FOR US TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH COMING HERE THAT'S ALREADY HERE AND GROWING HERE. YOU MAY HAVE TO USE THAT M WORD WHICH THEN WOULD THROW A BUNCH OF THINGS OFF BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FIXING WHAT WE'VE GOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE EGG OR THE CHICKEN, WHICHEVER THAT THING IS FIRST BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENTS CLOSE TO WHEN THOSE

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ACTIVITIES ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN. I PUT BOB IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SPOT BECAUSE FOR THOSE OF YOU ON EDC AND HAVE ATTENDED THOSE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE AWARE OF SOME IMMINENT THINGS COMING.

I ASKED BOB IF HE WOULD MAKE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT WHICH HE MAY DEEM TO DO NOW OR NOT NOW. IF WE DON'T START PLANNING FOR THIS SYSTEM SO THAT YOU HAVE TWO WAYS TO INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT AREA, THAT IS BEING FUNDED BY EDC IN ESSENCE AND THAT AREA IS NOT GOING TO DEVELOP LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO OR IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO. WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT THE PEOPLE BRINGING BUSINESSES IN IS MAKE THOSE BUILDINGS OR COMMITMENTS TO GET THE BUSINE BUSINESSES TO COME IN.

>> I'M NOT DISPUTING IT. WE'RE GOING TO LAND CLOSE TO WHAT THIS PLAN IS I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP PUSH OHHINGEN THAT TAX RATE AND THE TAX BILL THAT IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE AND I WILL MAKE YOU JUSTIFY EVERYTHING.

IT'S NOT PERSONAL. I'M NOT TRYING TOO ATTACK ANYONE'S PERSONAL INTEGRITY. I'M JUST REALLY BEING A BULLDOG FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THAT INCLUDES THE BUSINESS OWNERS, PEOPLE WHO RENT IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE THE DIRECT PROPERTY TAX BILL BY THEY GET IMPACTED WHEN THEIR LANDLORD GETS A BIGGER PROPERTY TAX BILL AND THE MARCHING ORDERS FOR JAMES ARE GOING TO BE EXECUTE, EXECUTE, EXECUTE.

YOU CAN GET ALL THIS STUFF DONE IN A YEAR, IT'S GOT TO GET DONE.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> AND I DON'T MIND DROPPING THE M WORD BECAUSE IF AT SOME POINT GROWTH COSTS HOME OWNERS MORE MIN, I WILL DRM, I WILL DROP MO, I WILL DROPN,EY, I WILL DRON A HEARTBEAT.

>> I WANT YOU TO KNOW I 100%, W 1,000% AGREE WITH THAT. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION THAT HUTTO IS IN AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION YOU'RE IN TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

FOR EDC, YOU ARE DRIVING THE TRAIN SO WELL MY CONVERSATIONS TO BOB HAVE BEEN IN PRIVATE BECAUSE I'M JUST ASSISTING WITH WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING. THE THING THAT WILL CAUSE A PROBLEM IS IF WE DON'T DEMONSTRATE THE ABILITY TO PUT THE BASE INFRASTRUCTURE IN IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT AS THE ENTITIES ARE GOING OUT MARKETING AND WANTING TO GET CONTRACTS ON BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES WE DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTABLE PLAN TOO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE IN TIME FOR THEM TO BUILD WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD. THAT'S WHY THE ITEMS ARE ON HERE AND, AGAIN, WE ANTICIPATE THOSE WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE EDC.

>> AND THIS GROWTH IS NOT ASSUMING ANY -- THEY'RE NOT EVEN

LOOKING AT MEGASITE NUMBERS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE'RE GOING TO SET A RATE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE'S TAX BILLS SO I'M GOING TO PUSH AS HARD AS WE CAN TO GET THAT TO BE THE BEST

NUMBER WHILE DOING WHAT WE DO. >> GOD FOR BIBID WE OVER EXCEL SAVE TAX MONEY. THAT WOULDN'T UP SIT ANYONE.

>> IT WOULD IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER.

>> IT'S MUCH, MUCH SMARTER TO GET MONEY BACK INTO THE SYSTEM BUT, AGAIN, NOTHING HAPPENS AT AN ECONOMIC LEVEL WITHOUT SOME LEVEL OF INVESTMENT. ALMOST EVERY CUSTOMER WE HAVE HAS ANOTHER CHOICE AND WE DON'T WANT TO SAY YEAH, WE GOT LOTS OF LAND BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.

NOW'S NOT THE TIME. THOSE PROJECTS HAVE A SHELF LIFE AND ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH THE EDC TO JUST GET AN AGREEMENT TO SAY THEY WILL KICK IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TAXES? AND WE MAY WANT TO RENEGOTIATE AND CHANGE THAT RATE, BUT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY AGREES --

>> LIKE IF THE EDC PASSES A RESOLUTION THAT THEY AGREE TO

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CONTRIBUTE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. >> RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE 250 K A YEAR TOWARDS SALES TAX. WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.

>> INFRASTRUCTURE IS A 501, 103 BY RIGHT FOR THEM TO PAY FOR SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO IDENTIFY THE PROJECT AND IN 60 DAYS, WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON THE PROJECT AND WE WOULD DO A FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND REIMBURSE THE CITY.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE OF AMOUNT WILL

BE UNTIL THE ISSUANCE OCCURS. >> WE THINK IT'S 9 DLSH MILLION, BUT THESE ARE BASED ON BEST ESTIMATES IN TODAY'S$MILLION, BT THESE ARE BASED ON BEST ESTIMATES IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.

>> I UNDERSTAND BUT IF WE GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

CAN WE GET ENOUGH BY SEPTEMBER TO KNOCK THAT DOWN BY A LITTLE

BIT? >> IF WE'RE AT A NO NEW REV NIGH RATE, DO WE EVEN NEED TO DO THAT?

>> [INAUDIBLE] SO THAT AT LEAST THE INTENT IS THERE AND REMEMBER, YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT'S ESTABLISHING THE CRITERIA OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE TWO TIRZES SO THAT'S UNDER WAY SO THERE IS EFFORT AND EDC HAS FUNDED THAT IF I'M REMEMBERING RIGHT SO THERE'S EFFORT AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THEM SETTING UP THE TIRZ AND FUNDING THIS BUT WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE OR SOMETHING. I'M SORRY, JAMES.

>> NO, YOU'RE FINE. >> ANGIE, THE BUDGET IS WAY BETTER PLANNED IN ADVANCE THIS YEAR THAN IN THE PAST.

WE NEED TO GET OUR CIP IN ORDER SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SET A RATE AND APPROVE BONDS UP AGAINST DEADLINES SO IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT DONE.

>> AND DEALING WITH PRIOR COUNCILS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, NOW WE'RE IN A BAD SITUATION THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THESE THINGS IN AN YOU ARE VENT MANNER.

SO, YEAH, IT'S NOT IDEAL BUT THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DO THE RATE, SET THIS AGREEMENT, COLLECT THOSE FUNDS AND APPLY THAT NEXT YEAR TO ADJUST THAT RATE GOING FORWARD AND HAVE THOSE MONIES IN PLACE FROM THE EDC ON THAT.

>> I'M CONFIDENT THAT IF THIS COUNCIL NEEDS THEM TO MEET, THEY HAVE A MEETING 72 HOURS AWAY. THE ONE THING THAT LAWYERS WANT ARE HARD FACTS AND UNTIL WE GET THE FIGURES, UNTIL WE GET THOSE MATERIALS, I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> I'M HAVING TO SPECULATE ON WHAT THE TAX RATE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I'M ASKING FOR EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP GET THAT TAX RATE AS LOW AS WE CAN GET IT.

>> SURE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION OR IF THERE'S ACTION THEY'RE REQUESTING FROM YOU TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO ACTUALLY APPROVING ANY DEBT. THERE'S GOING TO BE NOTICES

AND -- >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> LATER IN THE AGENDA. >> WE'RE ASKING THEM TO AUTHORIZE US TO GO FORWARD TONIGHT.

>> WELL, THAT'S LATER. WE NEED TO STICK TO THE TOPIC.

WE'RE ON THIS RIGHT HERE. >> ANDRE IS LIKE I ONLY GOT TO -- JIM WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE GEARS BUT MAYBE FROM THE BOND COUNCIL, THEY CAN MAYBE COME UP TO EXPLAIN TO US LIKE HOW THE BOND MARKET IS RIGHT NOW, HOW THE RATES ARE PRETTY

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STABLE. THEY'RE NOT SKYROCKETING LIKE OUR MORTGAGE RATES AND EVERYTHING, JUST HOW IT IS FOR MUNICIPALITIES WANTING TO INVEST OR NEEDING TO INVEST.

TH NOT A WANT, THIS IS A NEED, SO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION OR IF WE WANT TO SWITCH GEARS BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S A POSITIVE WITH THE INTEREST RATES PRESENTED BY YOU. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, TOO, TO CLEAR FIE WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A LITTLE EXTRA UNDERSTANDING BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES TO GO FOR BONDS.

>> EVERYTHING ELSE EQUAL F YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT INTEREST COST, COST OF CAPITAL, INTEREST RATES ARE LOW.

IF I WERE TO PRICE THESE BONDS TOMORROW, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT MAYBE A 3.75 INTEREST RATE FIXED FOR 25 YEARS ON BOTH TRANSACTIONS. NOW, A LOT OF THINGS COULD CHANGE BY THE TIME WE GO TO THE MARKET AND WE ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE BOND, BUT INTEREST RATES ARE LOW RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE SAYS THEY HAVE GONE UP, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WENT FROM 1.5 TO 3.5% BUT HISTORICALLY, INTEREST RATES ARE LOW.

YOU WOULD BE PAYING LESS THAN 4%.

I PRICED A NONRATED BOND TODAY AT 4.25%.

YOU'RE AA MINUS RATED. >> SO SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET BETTER 3.75 BECAUSE OF OUR RATING?

>> IF YOU WERE TO PRICE TOMORROW MORNING, YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET 3.75, 3.80, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. EVERYTHING COULD CHANGE IN A DAY BUT COST OF FUNDS IS LOW. I TELL MY CLIENTS DON'T JUST LOOK AT THAT. CONSIDER ATE AS A FACTOR BUT COST OF FUNDS IS JUST ONE THING THAT IF YOU WERE TO BORROW SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT 5%, FOR EXAMPLE, OR LOOKING AT LESS THAN 3.5%. IT'S UNKNOWN.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU HERE IS IF I WANT TO BORROW $44.5 MILLION THIS SUMMER, IT CAN BE DONE AND NOT EXCITE MY EXISTING TAX RATE, IT'S FINE. IF YOU WANT TO BORROW LESS, THAT'S FINE, WE CAN GET THERE BY YOU CAN GET THIS DONE, KEEP THE RATE THE SAME AND THE COST OF CAPITAL RIGHT NOW IS LESS THAN 4% FIXED. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT POLICY AND TAX RATES BUT I'M TELLING YOU

THIS CAN BE DONE THIS WAY. >> YOU KEEP SAYING THAT YOU CAN GET THE TAX RATE NOT TO CHANGE AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TAX RATE. IT MEANS NOTHING TO ME.

THE TAX BILLS. WHATEVER WE DO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT ON PAPER AND PRESIDENT PENCIL, THIS IS HOW MNO IS GOING TO LOOK. WE HAVE TO GROW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IS THERE ENOUGH MONEY FROM THE MAINTENANCE SIDE TO OFFSET THE INS SIDE.

IF YOU PUT THAT ON PAPER AND YOU'RE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S THE ROUTE TO GO, I GET IT BY WHAT I KEEP HEARING IS WE CAN KEEP ALL THIS AND KEEP THE INS RATE THE SAME WHICH TELLS ME TAXES ARE GOING UP OR YOU'RE CUTTING MNO.

AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE AND THE OVERALL RATE IS ALWAYS THE SAME, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN I DON'T HAVE, I JUST FIND THAT WE WOULD BE THE FIRST CITY THAT COULD BORROW $50 MILLION AND NOT HAVE AN EXTRA DOLLAR COMING OUT OF EVERYBODY'S

POCKET. >> YOU'RE TECHNICALLY CORRECT IN A SINCE THAT IF YOUR INS TAX RATE DOESN'T CHANGE BUT THE ASSESSMENT IN PROPERTY GOES UP, THEY PAY MORE IN TAXES, THAT'S A FACT, BUT THE TAX RATE DOESN'T CHANGE.

THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. YOU CAN GET THIS DONE WITH THIS TAX RATE. IF SOMEONE'S HOME VALUE OR BUSINESS VALUE GOES UP, YES, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY MORE IN

TAXES. >> UNLESS THE MNO GOES DOWN.

>> YOU CAN LOWER THE MNO BUT THAT HAS DIFFERENT IMPLICATIONS.

IF YOU HAVE A DEFICIT BUDGET YOU MAY NOT BE AA MINUS ANYMORE.

>> SO I NEED YOU TO SHOW ME 25 YEARS OF WHAT THE INS IS GOING TO BE AND MAKE ANOTHER COLUMN HERE'S THE TAX BILL FOR

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HUTTO ON AN AVERAGE $400,000 HOUSE WITH THE VALUE GOING UP 10% A YEAR. IF THE MARKET GOES CRAZY WE WILL ONLY GET 10% INCREASE BY LAY. IF YOU TAKE THE RATES OUT AND PUT DOLLAR AMOUNTS. IF I SEE IN 2026 TO DOLLARS PAID IS THE SAME AS 2023, I'M DONE, I'M ON BOARD.

I DON'T THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN. I KEEP HEARING IT CAN BY THERE'S DEFICIT ON A BUDGET, WE HAVE TO DO THIS I DON'T WANT TO BORROW $45 MILLION UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN PROVE IT MAKES SENSE TO BORROW ALL 45 MILLION TODAY OR BORROW 5 MILLION TODAY, GET THROUGH ENGINEERING, BORROW MORE AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.

EVERYONE CONCENTRATES ON THE THE TAX RATE BUT THE TAX RATE DOESN'T TELL ANYBODY IF THEIR TAX BILL GOES UP.

YOU MAY GO FROM $1,700 TO $2,400 BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT RIGHT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2046. WHAT THIS SAYS IS YOU ISSUE THE BOND, YOU GROW AND THEN NOTHING CHANGES, NO MORE BONDS, NO GROWTH, NOTHING, IT'S STATIC. THE PURPOSE OF THIS MODEL AND THAT'S WHY I HIGHLIGHTED THE FIRST TAX RATE, IS TO SHOW YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, YOU CAN MAINTAIN THAT TAX RATE.

YOU CAN DO LESS. SAY I WANT TO TARGET 12¢, I CAN RUN THE NUMBERS AGAIN AND TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU CAN BORROW.

I CAN TELL YOU HERE'S THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE IN HUTTO.

>> THE AVERAGE HOME OWNER DOESN'T GIVE A FLIP ABOUT THE INS. WE'RE GETTING WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ON HALF THE STORY HERE. WE'RE FREAKING OUT OTHER HALF OF THE STORY AND I THINK WE NEED THE WHOLE STORY AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT INS WHERE ALL OF US UP HERE CARE ABOUT AND THE HOME OWNERS CARE ABOUT THE FULL TAX RATE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND IS IT REALLY NO NEW REVENUE OR NOT?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME UNTIL NEXT MEETING TO WORK WITH STAFF SO WE CAN PULL IT TOGETHER TO SEE CLEARLY AND CLANLY, HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE TAX BILL AS YOU'REEA WOULD AFFECT THE TAX BILL AS YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY ASKING I CAN GET THAT DONE. THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROPOSAL IS THE EYE TILT PROJECTS WHICH WE DIDN'T EVER TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED AND THOSE PROJECTS ARE BEING PROPOSED THAT NO INCREASE TO THE UTILITY RATES.

SO THOSE ONES ARE SUPER CRITICAL AND IF YOU WOULD GRANT ME THE OPPORTUNITY TOO HAVE UNTIL NEXT MEETING TO COME BACK ON THIS, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE UTILITY PORTION MOVING FORWARD ON THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO RATE IMPACT PROPOSED TO COVER THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE PROJECTS.

>> YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE UTILITY SIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE WATER, WASTE WATER AND 30 SOMETHING MILLION IN IMPACT FEES AND WE HAVE MILLIONS MORE COMING SO I GET ALL THAT.

MY HANG UP HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHEN YOU OPEN UP YOUR STATEMENT IN

MARCH OR APRIL. >> HERE'S MY THING.

IF YOU ASSUME THE AVERAGE HOME OWNER WHO HAS THEIR HOMESTEAD HERE IN HUTTO BECAUSE WE CAN'T COVER ALL THE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A 10% INCREASE SO BY DEFINITION OUR GOAL SHOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO LOWER OUR OVERALL TAX RATE FOR THE CITY BY 10%, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT IF YOU LIVED HERE A YEAR, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE AT 53¢, THAT WOULD MEAN WE NEED TO GET TO 48¢ THIS YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR 10% INCREASE IN THEIR HOME VALUE. SO MY POINT IS ANGIE HAS SPECIFIED HOW MUCH SALES TAX HAS COME IN, IT'S 39% OR 40% OF THE

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REVENUE COMING IN, SO MY GUESS IS WE CAN LOWER THE RATE BY MORE THAN 5¢ AND IF YOU LOWER IT BY MORE THAN 5% IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE 15.6 WAS ON THAT PART OF THE EQUATION.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOWER THE OVERALL RATE BY 5¢.

BASED ON THE SALES TAX REVENUE AND NEW GROWTH THAT CAME IN, WE CAN LOWER THE OVERALL RATE BY MORE THAN 5¢ SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE FIGHTING OVER SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE'RE ONLY TALKING 10% OVER THE AVERAGE PERSON WHICH WOULD BE 5% FROM 53 TOO 48.

IF WE CAN GET THERE, THIS 15.6 DOESN'T MATTER.

YOU'RE LOOKING THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN THE EQUATION NOT THE NUMBER THE HOME OWNER SEES IN THEIR BILL BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE 38¢ AND THE 15.6, THEY SEE THE 53 IS THE.

MY GOAL WOULD BE TO GET TO 48¢. IF WE CAN GET TO 48¢, WE HAVE EXCEEDED AS A COUNCIL. IT'S GREAT IF WE GET BETTER AND COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND INSTEAD OF GOING FROM 53 TO 48¢, 5¢,

THAT'S ALL >> IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

NO NOW REVENUE. >> IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

NO NOW REVENUE DOESN'T WORK. IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

OVERALL, I HAVE NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THE OVERALL TAX RATE AS LONG AS IT'S THE TAX BILL. MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY RAISE YOUR MNO BY LAW 3% A YEAR SO IF WE GO THROUGH AND GET AGGRESSIVE DROPPING THE MNO DRAMATICALLY TO OFF SIT AN INS YOU CAN'T JUST RAISE IT BY 8%, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION. LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE WAY WE DID IT, WE RAISED THE MNO THE 3% MAX. YOU'RE SHAKING KNOW.

I DIDN'T EVEN FINISH THE SENTENCE.

WE RAISED THE MNO THE MAX AMOUNT AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET NO NEW REVENUE BECAUSE THE INS RATE DROPPED FROM NOT BORROWING ANY MONEY AND THE OVERALL MADE IT NO NEW REVENUE SO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BORROW, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE A LEGALLY MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF GAIN IN ONE RATE SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

IF YOU FLIP IT THE OTHER WAY THAT YOU START SETTING US ON A COURSE TO ALL OF A SUDDEN CHIEF SAYS I NEED MORE COPS AND WE'RE GOING I DON'T HAVE ANY, IN FACT, YOU HAVE TO KIT TWO PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DROP THE MNO AGAIN TO PAY FOR THE INS SO IT'S A BIG BALANCING ACT. WE'RE MISSING ONE WHOLE PIECE OF THE PIE OF THE EQUATION. WE HAVE ONE PICTURE, WE'RE

TRYING TO PIECE IT TOGETHER. >> SINCE WE STARTED AT 7:00 AND WE'RE WELL INTO THE MEETING, COULD I ASK YOU ALL TO PROBABLY TAKE A BREAK WHICH MAY BE HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL AND ALLOW THE STAFF TO HUDDLE SO WE CAN JUST CHAT? I THINK A COUPLE OF US HAVE SOME IDEAS IN MIND BUT WE NEED TO TALK TO THE STAFF BEFORE WE THROW IT ON THE FLOOR.

>> ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? START ON PAGE NINE WHEN WE COME BACK?

>> WE'RE BACK AT 11:06. >> THE STAFF AND YOUR CONSULTANTS HAVE HAD ON OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND VISIT AND IN LIGHT OF YOUR DISCUSSION AND RESPECTING THAT YOU'RE BEING REQUESTED TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT SOME OF THE CRITICAL DATA, HERE'S WHAT WE PROPOSE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE COME BACK TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS WITH THE INFORMATION ON THE MNO AND THE OVERALL TAX RATE, THAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE, WHAT WHAT DUALED W DO O DO U DD DO O HOME AND THE EYE TILT PORTION, WE ASK ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE MOTES OF INTENT INTILT PORTION,E

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ASK ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE MOTES OF INTENT IN 11.1.

YOU WILL STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN TWO WEEKS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PROCEED TO NOT PROCEED WITH THAT WITHOUT INCURRING COSTS. THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAS AGREED THAT THEY WOULD DO SOME OF THE PREP WORK AND IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED NOT TO PROCEED AT THAT TIME, THERE WOULD BE NO COST TO THE CITY. HE'S ALSO MADE THAT SAME COMMITMENT FOR THE BOND COUNCIL BY THE BOND COUNCIL WASN'T IN THE ROOM. WE'LL JUST TAKE THAT ANYWAY.

[LAUGHTER] AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE REALLY NEEDING MAKE SHORE WE'RE PROCEEDING ON THE UTILITY SIDE ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTIONS ON THAT WITH SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PROCEED AND MAKE PROGRESS IN THAT TWO WEEK PERIOD. THERE WOULD BE PREP WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WOULD BE BEING DONE BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT TONIGHT.

>> SO DOES THAT IMPACT THE OVERALL TIME LINE?

>> IT WILL SLIGHT, BUT WE THINK THEY CAN RECOVER FROM THAT AND YOU HAVE A NEW MANAGER THAT I THINK WILL BRING SOME EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE AND NEEDS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A LITTLE MORE UP TO SPEED ON THIS ALSO AND SO WE CHATTED BRIEFLY AND CHATTED WITH THE STAFF AND WE THINK THIS WILL WORK.

ANDRE, ARE YOU READY FOR PAGE NINE?

>> WELL, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS AND I'LL RECAP THE TIMING TO ANSWER MR. THORNTON'S QUESTION. ON PAGE NINE, WE DID THIS TO SHOW CASH FLOW FOR THE UTILITY PORTION OF THE PROGRAM.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE UTILITY PORTION IS BUDGETED TO BE ABOUT $52.4 MILLION WORTH OF BONDS.

WHAT COLUMN B IS SHOWING IS YOUR OUTSTANDING OR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE THAT'S CURRENTLY PAID FOR BY THE UTILITY FUND.

COLUMN C, D, AND E IS THE NEW STRUCTURE AND COLUMN F WOULD SHOW YOU THE 2022 CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW WE STAGGERED THE IMPACT OVER THREE YEARS SO YOU GET TO A FIXED DEBT SERVICE IN THIS BUDGET OF ABOUT $10.7 MILLION STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 2025.

RIGHT KNEW THE CITY HAS HAVE THEORY SOURCES IN THE UTILITY FUND TO CASH FLOW THIS BOND WITHOUT ASSUMING ANY GROWTH.

IN ADDITION TO ANY REVENUES FOR CHARGES ON THE UTILITY FUND YOU HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES IN THERE SO THIS IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IF THIS COIN SILL WANTED TO ISSUE $52.5 MILLION WORTH OF BONDS. THE CITY HAS ISSUED THOSE BEFORE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PAID FOR WITH DEBT SERVICE PROPERTY TAX, IT WOULD BE CARRIED BY THE UTILITY FUND.

ONE OF THE THINGS AND WE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY AT LENGTH IS THAT THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS PLAN IS BASED ON EXISTING REVENUE AND SOME MODERATE GROWTH FOR THE GOS AS YOU SAW.

IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE CITY DOES UTILIZE OTHER SOURCES.

THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF USING TIRZ AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS ONE IS FOR A CIP, WE HAVE TO ANNUAL LICE WHAT HAS YOUR TAX PACE? HAVE CYOU GROWN? HAVE YOU NOT GROWN AND DEVELOPMENT, IS DIRT MOVING? IF THOSE ARE ASSUMPTIONS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE USING, WE DON'T GENERALLY RECOMMEND THAT AND FOR UTILITIES.

YOU HAVE RATE STUDIES, AGAIN, TANGIBLE GROWTH PROJECTIONS WOULD CHANGE HA PICTURE SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD BE

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APPROACHING PROGRAMS IN THE FUTURE ASIDE FROM THIS ONE.

AS FAR AS TIMING AND WHERE'S WHERE I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT ON THE PROCESS. WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR TONIGHT IS TWO THINGS, FOR Y'ALL TO GIVE US THE GO AHEAD AND START WORKING ON THE PREPARATION OF ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS AND AN APPROVAL OF INTENT TO ISSUER THE SIEVE CATS OF OBLIGATION. WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING ON THE GO BONDS ASSUMING SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPENING BUT IN TWO WEEKS WE'LL COME BACK AND PRESENT WHAT THE TAX IMPACT WILL BE AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME F THIS COUNCIL DECIDES YOU WANT TO ADJUST IT THEN BUT WE'LL WORK ON EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN JUST TO BE READY EH IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. ON THE UTILITY SIDE THERE'S A NOTICE OF INTENT IN YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.

THERE'S A NOT TO EXCITE AMOUNT FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

THAT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED FOR AT LEAST 46 DAYS SO THOSE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WOULDN'T BE ISSUED IN OCTOBER.

SO IT WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE TRANSACTIONS.

STARTING TOMORROW, I WILL START WORKING AS IF YOU DO A GO BOND.

IF IN TWO WEEKS YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, WE'LL JUST TABLE IT. ON THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, I UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY.

WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU GIVE NOTICE TO BE PUBLISHED ONLINE FOR A POSSIBLE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION IN OCTOBER. THAT'S THE END.

>> EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT ME. >> COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? SO FOR THE TIME LINE OF SEPTEMBER 15TH IS WHEN THE PRICING OF THE BONDS WOULD HAPPEN SO OUR DELAY OF TWO WEEKS OF THE GO DECISION S THAT GOING TO AFFECT THAT, THAT GOING TO AFFECT THAT GOING TO AFFECTI THAT GOING TO AFFECTS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THAT DATE AT

ALL? >> NO, WE'LL TREAT IT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT BUT IF IN TWO WEEKS YOU DON'T DO IT, THERE

WILL BE NO COST INCURRED. >> I THOUGHT AS PART OF THIS WE WERE GOING TO DIRECT TO GET THAT SECOND RATING FROM THE OTHER BONDING, MOOMOODY'S IS THIS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DIRECT AS

WELL? >> NO, THAT COMPONENT WAS TAKEN OUT, THAT'S WHAT HE MENTIONED EARLIER.

THE FIRST VERSION YOU SAW OF THIS HAD GETTING A SECOND RATING FROM FITCH OR MOODY'S AND THAT WAS TAKEN OUT TODAY OHHR

SOMETHING. >> YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS

NECESSARY? >> NO, GIVEN THE STRENGTH OF THE COMMUNITY NOW, THE STABLE OUT LOOK WE HAVE, WE DON'T NEED THE

SECOND RATING. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> IF I HAD KNOWN THAT YESTERDAY, I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT YESTERDAY, THEY WERE WORKING ON THAT.

I WOULD PREFER TO BRIEF YOU ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE HERE, BY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE MOVING, I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION WE CAN GET.

>> WE DISCUSSED THAT AT LIKE 4:00 YESTERDAY AFTERNOON SO THIS HAS BEEN FLUCTUATING DAILY AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THIS.

>> THIS MAY BE SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC.

WHEN WILL THIS COUNCIL SEE PROPOSALS FOR, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HIRE THIS FIRM TO DESIGN THIS WASTE WATER FIRM, THIS FIRM TO DESIGN THIS, WE'RE BORROWING A LOT OF MONEY AND GETTING THAT GOING BUT NOW I'M READY TO START APPROVING THE DESIGN OF A STORAGE TANK, THE ACQUISITION OF PIPE.

I KNOW DRAINAGE PIPE IS LIKE AN MONTH DELAY TO GET ANYTHING

>> SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS OF THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL.

>> YEAH, IF WE GO OUT -- >> IF WE HAVE THIS HUGE AMOUNT THAT WE ISSUE AND WE DON'T USE IT, WE INCUR ALL THIS.

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>> AS LONG AS STAFF IS COMMITTED WHERE WADE IS WORKING MIDNIGHT AND WEEKENDS BRINGING US ALL THESE PROPOSALS, WE WISH THROUGH IT ALL, APPROVESH THROUGH IT ALL,RUSH THROUGH IT ALL, APPROVE ALL THIS MIN AND SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL HERE. THE PUBLIC WILL EXPECT A BARRAGE OF PEOPLE. WHEN WILL WE START EXPECTING

CONTRACTS FOR ENGINEERING? >> I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET A CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL FUNDING, BUT ASSUMING THAT WE GIVE A GREEN LIGHT ON ALL THESE PROJECTS, WE HAVE A LIST GATHERED TOGETHER OF HOW WE WOULD DIVVY UP THOSE PROJECTS AND WE WOULD HOPE TO DIVVY THEM TO YOU IN WAVES.

WE'RE READY TO MOVE OUT, KIND OF HOLDING BACK, WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDING APPROVAL OR THINK WE'RE HEADED IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION AND CAN START NARROWING DOWN THAT LIST OF PROJECTS AND START BRINGING THEM TO YOU IN WAVES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE TO BRING THEM ALL TO YOU AT ONCE, WE'LL START BRINGING THEM TO YOU.

>> WE HAVE 20 SOMETHING MILLION IN OUR UTILITY FUND NOW, RIGHT? WHAT STOPS US FROM ENGINEERING THINGS NOW?

>> THAT'S THE INTENT. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO START IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE TO THE DEBT BECAUSE WITHOUT TO BONDING, WE CAN'T BUILD IT SO IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, WE DON'T WANT TO START THE ENGINEERING BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO START AND THE BOND COULD REIMBURSE THE FUND.

>> THE DEBATE HAS BEEN OVER TRANSPORTATION, NOT NECESSARILY WASTE WATER SO I THINK AT SOME POINT IT WOULDN'T BE TWO MONTHS IF IT'S THAT BIG OF A HURRY, I WOULD THINK SINCE WE HAVE 20 SOMETHING MILLION IN THE UTILITY FUND, WE WOULD BE WORKING TO HAVE ENGINEERING THINGS READY TO GO SO THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL SAYS JUMP, EVERYBODY IS HIKE WE NEED AUTHORITY.

IF IT'S A COUPLE OF MONTHS AWAY, THAT'S GREAT.

>> SO LET ME SHARE WITH YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

REMEMBER THAT THESE PROJECTS COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ENGINEERED SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED, REASSESSED, CHANGED EVEN OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE BOARD BEFORE.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WEREN'T ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME.

THAT'S ONE. NUMBER TWO, IF YOU ALL APPROVE THE NOTICE OF INTENT ON THE CO SIDE, THERE MAY START TO BE SOME PLANNING WORK DONE NOT THIS WEEK BUT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR IN A MONTH THERE MAY BE WORK THAT STARTS TO BE DONE FOR DESIGN AN WE WOULD GO BACK AND REIMBURSE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET THOSE PROJECTS DONE AND WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER TO START PLANNING THEM IF THAT'S YOUR POINT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO ACT LIKE I'M HERE.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO WAIT SO THERE WOULD BE SOME WORK THAT WOULD BE DONE ON THAT AND PLANNING FOR THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS THE WAY THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE DONE AND JAMES, KNEE ME IF I'M SAYING SOMETHING.

>> I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO SAY SOMETHING I CAN KNEE YOU FOR.

>> THERE COUTH TO BSHOULD BE TO PROJECT SCHEDULE -- [INAUDIBLE]

>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GANTT CHARTS.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT BUT NO, I'M NOT GOING TO PRACTICE ENGINEERING TONIGHT. YOU SHOULDN'T BE -- WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE TO DO BETTER AND A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ON HIS SHOULDERS. THE 1256 NEEDS TO BE RIGHT THERE WITH HIM. S NEEDS TO BE RIGHT T WITHT NEEDS TO BE RIGHT THERE WITHA NEEDS TO BE RIGHT THERE WITHF NEEDS TO BE RIGHT THERE

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WITHF NEEDS TO BE RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.

>> WE HAVE A MEETING IN THE MORNING.

>> THAT'S FAST. >> IT'S GOING TO BE TOMORROW

MORNING IN 38 MINUTES, SO. >> WAITING FOR THAT VOTE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION ON THAT PLAN. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE ON 10.4. >> WAS ANY ACTION REQUESTED?

[11.1. Consideration and possible action regarding Resolution No. R-2022-067 authorizing proceeding with the issuance of Certificates of Obligation for water and wastewater projects; directing the publication of notice of intent to issue City of Hutto, Texas Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation; and providing for other matters incident and related to approving and authorizing publication of notice of intention to issue Certificates of Obligation. (Angie Rios)]

>> NO. 11.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2022-067 AUTHORIZING PROCEEDING WITH THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION FOR WATER AND WASTE WATER PROJECTS DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION OF NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION AND PROVIDING OTHER MATTERS INCIDENT AND RELATED TO APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING PUBLICATION OF NOTICE TO OF INTENTION TO ISSUE CERTIFICATES

OF OBLIGATION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> THORNTON, SNYDER.

>> CLARK. >> GORDON.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. >> AYE.

KOLAR. >> AYE.

[11.2. Consideration and possible action directing staff to provide notice of intent to issue General Obligation Bonds, Series 2022. (Angie Rios)]

>> COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. >> NEXT 11.2, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE AGAIN OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2022.

>> WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT YOU MOVE THAT ONE TO THE NEXT

MEETING. >> SO WE MOVE THAT.

NO OBJECTIONS? OKAY.

[12. EXECUTIVE SESSION]