10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.

[10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENT AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS, AND AREA

GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.>> THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE MET THIS PAST WEEK WE INTERVIEWED TWO CANDIDATES FOR APPOINTMENT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH THEIR NAMES.

AS NOMINEES FOR THE FOLLOWING. JIM MORRIS, TO BE APPOINTED TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

SEAT NUMBER TWO. JIM MORRIS ALSO TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION SEAT NUMBER FOUR.

ASHLEY LARA, TO BE APPOINTED TO THE ADA TASK FORCE.

SEAT NUMBER FOUR. WE ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE A REAPPOINTMENT OF RICK HUDSON TO THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS

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COMMISSION. HE IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS A MEMBER AND APPOINTMENT IS DUE. THERE WILL BE A CURRENCY.

WHERE HE IS CURRENTLY SITTING. RIGHT THERE.

>> WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HIS LAST NAME?

>> LARA. >> -- ASHLEY TO THE ADA BOARD SEAT NUMBER FOUR AND A REAPPOINTMENT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE THE APPLICATION STILL GOING IN? ARE THE APPLICATIONS STILL GOING INTO THE DROP BOXES WHERE EVERYONE IS APPLYING TO ALL THE COUNCIL CAN SEE THE APPLICATIONS?

>> I HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. >> WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME

BACKGROUND IF YOU'D LIKE. >> IT WAS A QUESTION I JUST

HAD. >> ONE OF THEM I DID NOT SEE ACTUALLY COMING BUT JIM IS HERE.

HE SERVED ON -- AND BUILDING AND STANDARDS.

HAS A MASTERS DEGREE IN, SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

ANY OTHER BUSINESS ON ITEM 10.1?

>> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 10.2, PRESENTATION AND

[10.2. Presentation and acceptance of the financial and investment report for the quarter ending June 30, 2022. (Angie Rios)]

ACCEPTANCE OF THE FINANCIAL AND INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE

QUARTER ENDING JUNE 30, 2022. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ANGIE RIOS, CFO.

I WON'T SPEND A TON OF TIME DURING JUNE FINANCIALS PRESENTATION WE ARE HALFWAY THROUGH AUGUST.

WE DO HAVE THE FINANCIALS IN THE PACKET, THEY WERE INCLUDED.

THROUGH THE END OF JUNE, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE THIRD QUARTER THAT REVENUES ARE STRONG FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH WOULD BE EXPECTED WITH THE STRONG SALES TAX WE ARE STILL SEEING AND OF COURSE, BUILDING PERMITS ARE STILL GOING STRONG. WE ARE ACTUALLY OVERBUDGET FROM WHERE WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE AT THIS POINT IN THE AIR.

THAT IS A GOOD STRONG PLACE TO BE.

EXPENDITURES ARE UNDER BUDGET, MAJORITIES THAT IS DUE TO CONTINUED UNFILLED POSITIONS AND OUR INABILITY TO FIND THE TALENT TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. IT'S JUST BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR THE YEAR. BECAUSE THAT IS MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE EXPENDITURE, WHY IT IS LOW.

UTILITY FUND, YOU WILL SEE, IT IS VERY REFLECTIVE OF THE GROWTH TWISTING IN THE COMMUNITY REVENUES THROUGH JUNE, ACTUALLY AT 80 -- 87 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET.

THOSE ARE CONTINUING TO SHOW INCREASES AND NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS AND CONTINUE GOING STRONG.

ON THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT, EXPENSES A RATE OF 75 PERCENT FOR THE YEAR. SOME OF THAT, WE ARE SEEN IN THE UTILITY FUND IS EXTREME INCREASE IN COST OF CHEMICALS, TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM AND WELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE OF THAT INCREASE, IS DRIVING SOME OF THAT BUT ALSO THE GROWTH IS REQUIRING US TO DO A LITTLE MORE MAINTENANCE.

I'VE HAD SOME ISSUES HERE DURING THE SUMMER.

WHEN THE GROUND DRIES UP AND PIPES GET TIGHT AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BUT NOT TREMENDOUS BUT WE HAVE SEEN A LARGE INCREASE. THAT IS REALLY ALL.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME.

LIST OF QUESTIONS. OF ALL THE DETAIL IN THE PACKET THAT BREAKS DOWN BY THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THE UTILITY FUND.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MY ONLY REQUEST TO BE THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

JUST FOR READABILITY, HE SAID 87 PERCENT BUT ANOTHER YOU HAVE

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THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE LABEL SAY 87 PERCENT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE ON THE DIFFERENT COLUMNS, JUST SO IT IS READABLE TO ANYONE HAVING TO DO COMPLEX MATH.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING EASY, I CAN DEFINITELY DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM

[Items 10.3 & 10.4]

COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, ANGIE.

WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 10.3, FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET PRESENTATION.

>> IF I MAY. I WOULD ASK ITEMS 10.3 AND 10.4 BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME STUDENT DISCUSSION AROUND THE BUDGET, TAX RATE AND CIP BASICALLY ALL TOGETHER AT THE

SAME TIME. >> WE WILL OPEN AT 10.4 AS WELL DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION AT 2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

>> WILL START WITH TAXES BECAUSE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS WE GO THROUGH AND TALK ABOUT THE HE BUDGET.

WE WILL START GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT RATES TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. THE NO NEW REVENUE HERE IS A RATE THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE, ALL OF IT TOGETHER FROM THE SAME PROPERTIES THAT WERE ON THE ROLE LAST YEAR. BETTER THERE THIS YEAR.

LOOKING AT THOSE TWO, WHAT RATE WOULD IT TAKE TO GENERATE THAT SAME REVENUE? THE PROPERTY VALUES USED, THEY ARE A SNAPSHOT. A MOMENT IN TIME.

FROM THE CERTIFIED ROLES ISSUED IN JULY FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THAT'S AT THAT MOMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE BUT THE VALUES ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. THERE ARE STILL THINGS UNDER REVIEW THAT PROTESTED NOT HAVE NOT BEEN FAILED TO APPEAR SOMETIMES YOUR COURT CASES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE THE VALUES EARLIER. AT THIS ONE MOMENT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. WITH THOSE VALUES.

KNOW THAT THEY CONSTANTLY CHANGING THING FOR THE CALCULATIONS THAT WE LOOK AT, THAT'S WHAT WE USE.

THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE CONTAINS TWO PIECES.

IT TAKES THE DEBT SERVICE AND -- AND LOOKS AT THEM SEPARATELY TO COME UP WITH THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

THE FIRST PIECE IS WHAT THEY CALL THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

IT'S JUST LOOKING AT THE MNO. TAX REVENUE IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR FOR OPERATIONS OF THINGS WE USE FOR DAY-TO-DAY SALARIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THEN AS THE THREE AND HALF PERCENT ONTO THAT RATE. THEN YOU HAVE INS, DEBT RATE.

THAT RATE IS WHATEVER PAYMENTS WE HAVE ON DEBT NEXT YEAR DIVIDED BY PROPERTY VALUES TO COME UP WITH THAT RATE.

THAT'S WHAT THE RATE WILL BE, THOSE TWO ARE ADDED TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

THE REALLY EXISTS IN THIS MNO PC INS IS WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE TO COVER THE DEBT. THEN ADDED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEN THE LEGISLATURE READ TO THE CALCULATIONS AND CHANGED THE NAMES OF SOME OF THIS, THE ADDED THIS UNUSED INCREMENT RATE. IF YOU DO NOT USE ALL THE REVENUE GROWTH IN A YEAR THEN YOU CAN ANK THAT AND USE AS LONG AS YOU STAY UNDER THE AVERAGE OF THREE AND HALF PERCENT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

WE DO HAVE A SMALL PIECE OF THAT FROM PRIOR YEAR.

THAT IS ALSO BEING ADDED SO WILL BE A VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THE UNUSED INCREMENT. HERE ARE THE RATES AS THE STANDARD AND APPEAR START WITH THE CURRENT RATE THEN YOU GOT NO NEW REVENUE, TWO OPTIONS WITH THE $44 MILLION DEBT THAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE LAST MEETING AND THEN, $37 MILLION DEBT PIECE THAT WE'VE TAKEN SOME OF THE WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT IN A BIT. THEN THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THE TWO PIECES THEN VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THE INCREMENT ADDED TO IT. YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN THE VOTER APPROVAL AND VOTER APPROVAL WITH UNUSED INCREMENT.

NOT HUGE CHANGES, THE INCREMENT WAS VERY SMALL.

YOU GOT $0.46, -- THE UNUSED INCREMENT FROM THE PRIOR YEAR WAS VERY SMALL. THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKEN THESE RATES AND THE RATES, THE VALUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S HOW SOME OF THIS IS SHIFTING.

YOU CAN SEE IN 2021 HOMESTEAD VALUES, HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES

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WERE 55 PERCENT OF TOTAL TAXABLE VALUE.

NONE HOMESTEAD 0 PERCENT. THIS YEAR, AS VALUES HAVE INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY CAN SEE THE SHIFT IN THE PIE CHART AND THE HOMESTEAD VALUES ADULT ONLY 48 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL TAXABLE, WHILE THE NON-HOMESTEAD UP TO 29 PERCENT UP TO THE MULTIFAMILY INCREASE COMMERCIAL INCREASE, EVERYTHING HAS AN INCREASE IN VALUE BUT THE SHIFT IN THE PROPORTION OF WHAT IS MAKING UP THE VALUE IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

THAT IS IMPORTANT AS WE GO TO THE CALCULATIONS BECAUSE WHO'S PICKING UP, WHERE IS THE BURDEN FALLING AND SHIFTING IN THIS HERE. YOU WILL SEE THAT AS WE GO TO THE NEXT TABLES. WE WILL START WITH A RESIDENT WITH HOMESTEAD. I SELECTED NUMEROUS, TESTED NUMEROUS RESIDENTS, THIS IS JUST ONE THAT WE PICKED, IT IS AN ACTUAL RESIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE VALUE FROM LAST YEAR, THE 2021. WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGES BUT BECAUSE IT REALLY SKEWS LOOKING AT THAT IN TOTAL BECAUSE OF THE SHIFT IN THE PROPERTIES COMING ON.

SOME OF WHAT'S BEING ADDED INTO AN AVERAGE OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH HOMESTEAD MAY BE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT HOMESTEADED LAST YEAR BUT THIS YEAR BUT THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE ROLE SO THEY WERE IN THE OTHER COLUMNS AND BEING MOVED SO IT BEGINS TO KIND OF THROW OFF THOSE AVERAGES.

WE WENT THROUGH AND TESTED A NUMBER OF HOMES AND FROM WHAT WE COULD, WHAT WE FOUND, EVERY RATE, ALL THE OPTIONS GIVEN, WILL BE A REDUCTION TO MOST HOMEOWNERS WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. AND I SAY MOST BECAUSE IF YOU'RE VALUE WHEN IT WAS OVER 10 PERCENT, WHICH YOU CAN, IF YOU DID IMPROVEMENTS OR EDIT ON SOME KIND OF ADD-ON, A POOL OR SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR HOME, IT CAN EDIT VALUE PLUS A 10 PERCENT AND IF THAT'S HAPPENED ON THOSE PROPERTIES, THEN THEY WILL LIKELY BE PAYING THE TAXES.

BUT FOR MILLION DOLLAR HOMES DOWN TO 200,000 OF HOMES WE TESTED EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN AND ALL CAME UP SHOWING DECREASES IN THE TAX RATE. AND THE AMOUNT THAT WILL BE TAXED, THAT THEY WOULD PAY IN TAX.

NOW RESIDENTIAL THAT IS NOT HOMESTEADED, SINCE THEY CAN GO UP IN VALUE, WHAT OF THE MARKET VALUE IS ON THAT HOME, YOU CAN SEE LIKE THIS ONE THAT WE HAVE SELECTED FROM 200-4300 57.

THAT'S A REALLY BIG INCREASE. WE WENT TO THE PRAISAL ROLES AND PICKED UP NUMEROUS PROPERTIES AND TESTED THEM AND THEY ALL CAME OUT WITH THIS BECAUSE YOU E SEEING LARGE INCREASES IN THE HOME VALUES THAT DON'T HAVE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BECAUSE THEY ABSORB THE ENTIRE THING.ON THIS WHEN ONE FROM 242 TO 357. THE TAXES GO UP A LITTLE BIT NO MATTER WHAT OPTION IS SELECTED. AND BACK TO THE PIE CHART, IS EVIDENCE ARE GETTING A BIGGER, THE VALUE BECOMING BIGGER IN THE PIECE OF THE PIE. IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE RESIDENCE WITHOUT A HOMESTEAD WOULD BE PAYING MORE TAXES.

>> YOU SHOULD ALSO CLARIFY THOSE AND NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENCE. THEY COULD BE INVESTMENT PROPERTIES OR OTHER STUFF, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. THEY'RE JUST NOT HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. BUT WHAT THAT COULD MEAN IF YOU ARE AWARE, BUT IN THE FIRST YEAR OF OWNING A HOME YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

IF YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOME IN 2021, AND 2022 DOES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE HOMESTEAD. IT WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE UNTIL 2023. THAT'S WHY IS IT COULD BE, IT IS A MIX OF BOTH. PROBABLY A LOT OF INVESTMENT PROPERTY, MOSTLY BUT THERE ARE SOME HOMEOWNERS IN THEIR.

THAT IS WHERE THEY WILL SHIFT NEXT YEAR INTO THE OTHER

CATEGORY. >> EVEN IF THEY ARE INVESTMENT PROPERTY, THE COST GETS PASSED ON TO THE TENANTS WHO ARE RESIDENTS WHETHER HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT.

>> WERE RESIDENCE AND VOTERS. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS BUT IF A RESIDENT WAS IN THE CITY TO HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON THE FIRST HOUSE, THEY SELL AND BUY NEW HOME, CAN THEY TRANSFER THE EXEMPTION TO THE NEW HOUSE

OR DO THEY HAVE TO START OVER? >> YOU HAVE TO APPLY AGAIN

FROM A NEW PROPERTY. >> IS BY THE PROPERTY NOT

OWNER. >> CORRECT.

ANOTHER PIECE IS THE MULTIFAMILY.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE BIGGEST MULTIFAMILY UNIT THAT'S ON THE BOOKS. ACCORDING TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE THEIR VALUE WENT FROM 40 MILLION LAST YEAR TO 57 MILLION THIS YEAR.

THAT'S A BIG JUMP. HOWEVER, WITH A LARGE

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MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX, THAT HAS SEVERAL HUNDRED APARTMENTS IN IT, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON HOW SOME OF THIS GET SPREAD.

SOME OF THE SMALLER COMPLEXES OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE LESS VALUE, LESS TAX, LESS PEOPLE TO SPREAD ACROSS THIS ONE HAPPENED TO BE THE LARGEST ONE SO, BUT IT IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ALL OF THEM. IF YOU MEMBER THE CHART, MULTIFAMILY WENT FROM 60 MILLION 230 MILLION.

THE VALUE OF ALL MULTIFAMILY DOUBLED ESSENTIALLY FOR THIS YEAR. SO AGAIN, THEY'LL PICK UP A BIGGER PIECE OF THE TAXES GOING FORWARD.

>> DO WE KNOW HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE?

>> I DON'T. WHEN I LOOKED IT UP, LET'S SEE.

>> I KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS. >> IT IS SEVERAL HUNDRED.

BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. >> THERE TWO COMPLEXES IN THE CITY AND THEY ARE EACH ABOUT 300.

>> OVER $60,000 DIVIDED BY 300 PEOPLE ROUGHLY SPENT OVER 12

MONTHS. >> 600.

600 UNITS. >> EACH UNIT, --

>> ONE. THAT IS IF YOU GO AGGRESSIVE.

IF YOU PICK MEDIUM -- >> $20 A MONTH.

>> IS 2000 ALL BY 300 DIVIDED BY 12.

$20 A MONTH. >> COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.HIS IS JUST ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, LAND, ALL OF THAT.

COMMERCIAL IS MUCH MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT PIECES.

YOU HAVE THE BUILDING AND THE LAND AND YOU HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THE PERSONAL PROPERTY. SO ALL OF THE THINGS IN THE BUILDING AND THEN, THOSE THAT ARE RETAIL YOU HAVE THE INVENTORY. THOSE ALL ARE LISTED IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE ROLE, THEY ARE ALSO SEPARATELY THEY'RE ALL TAXED AT THE SAME RATE BUT DO ACCOUNTABILITY IF YOU ROLL ALL THE COMMERCIAL TOGETHER, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE THE PICK APART THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND LOOK AT ALL THAT.

YOUR HOME DEPOT, CAR DEALERSHIPS, THINGS WITH INVENTORY WILL HAVE THAT, PLUS THE BUILDINGS, PLUS IF THEY HAVE PERSONAL PROPERTY DESKS AND EQUIPMENT FOR REPAIRS OR WHATEVER, THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS JUST ONE AGAIN, ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WE PICKED OFF OF THE LIST AND YOU CAN SEE THE TAX GOES DOWN BUT THE OTHER OPTIONS ARE TAX GOES UP.HAT'S FAIRLY REFLECTIVE OF MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL AGAIN, BECAUSE HE SO INCREASING MOST OF THE VALUES ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALSO. JUST LIKE HOMES, ALL THE VALUES HAVE BEEN INCREASING. FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT RATES, WE LIFTED THE TOTAL TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANT AND JUST IN THE MNO, WHAT WE ARE REALLY FOCUSING ON IS THIS ILL GO TO THE GENERAL FUND AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.

THE DIFFERENT NO NEW REVENUE RATES YOU CAN SEE IT REALLY DOES NOT ADD THAT MUCH. BECAUSE WHERE THE MNO RATE IS GOING TO FROM LESTER SO DOESN'T ADD AUTHORS MORE NEW PROPERTIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL GET TAXED AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET A LITTLE INCREASE BUT NOT A LOT. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE AND THIS IS THE INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR FROM 2022 AND THE DIFFERENCE COLUMN. AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, 75 PERCENT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NO NEW REVENUE AND WATER APPROVAL, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OVER A MILLION, AROUND A MILLION FOR. AND THEN VOTER APPROVAL ITSELF, A MILLION NINE AND THEN THE INCREMENT 2.1. IT'S GOT THE, THE MNO IN THE VOTER APPROVAL CORRECTLY SHE'S THE ONE THAT IS SET AND WITH 3 1/2, THAT'S WHY THESE ARE THE SAME IN EACH OF THE COLUMNS.

YOUR DEBT WILL CHANGE BUT THAT WON'T.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP AND BOTTOM MOVING FORWARD. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT. THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING.

THIS IS A LIST OF ROADS AND DRAINAGE, THIS IS STILL STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ISSUE THE DEBT AT THE 40, $44 MILLION.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS PROPERTIES ARE SHOWING AN ORANGE UP HERE ARE THE LIVE OAK, LAKESIDE, SIDEWALKS AND

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199 PIT RULE PULLS OUT AND PIT IS OUT IN THE GENERAL FUND HOWEVER, THE GENERAL FUND HAS COVERED NEARLY $3 MILLION, DESIGN COST FOR THE 1660 ROADS AND WOULD LIKE TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND FOR THAT. WE WOULD LEAVE THE TOTAL THE SAME BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT, IT'S CLOSE IN EXCHANGING THOSE OUT.

THIS IS STILL STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

37 THAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE OPTION IS AGAIN, TO PULL OUT THE SAME ITEMS BUT THEN TO ALSO REDUCE SOME DESIGN COST AND TRY TO PAY FOR THOSE SOME OTHER WAY IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE PULLED OUT 7 MILLION OF THOSE ON, OF THE DESIGN COST ON SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS. ONE COMPLETELY THERE HAD 132 THAT WAS A TOTAL DESIGN COST. AND THEN, THE MEGA SITE, SOME PULLED UP. AS YOU SAW ON THE LAST SLIDE, YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST TAX RATE WOULD ONLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL $2.1 MILLION. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO COVER DESIGN AND ALL THE PROJECTS.

AND THIS DEBT IS A TWO-YEAR DEBT 91 YOUR DEBT.

WE DON'T INTEND YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND YEAR THERE IS NO INTENTION TO COME BACK IN A YEAR AND ISSUE MORE.

THE INTENTION IS TO ISSUE THE 44 MILLION AND DO THIS OVER TWO YEARS WORK TO THE PROJECTS, THE 1660 PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AT THE MEGA SITE THAT'S NEEDED AND THEN, EVEN SOME OF THESE SMALLER IMPROVEMENTS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT INNOVATION AND -- AND ED SCHMIDT SAFETY THINGS, THOSE THINGS TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

WHERE THE WASTEWATER CO, ONE YEAR AT A TIME THIS ONE IS NOT.

>> IF WE ARE OVER TWO YEARS WHY WOULD WE OR HOW WOULD WE BE ABLE TO COLLECT THE INS PORTION OF THE DEBT A YEAR EARLY?

>> BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO ISSUE THE DEBT IN

SEPTEMBER. >> WILL GO TO ISSUE IT ALL JUST NOT GOING TO SPEND IT ALL IN THE FIRST YEAR.

>> RIGHT. AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEBT AND HAVE A JOB TO SPEND IN CERTAIN INCREMENTS OF FIVE PERCENT BY SIX MONTHS AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT BY 18 MONTHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT. ESPECIALLY TWO OF THE 1616 PROJECT ARE GETTING READY TO GO OUT FOR BID AND CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. THE TOTAL BUDGET CURRENTLY, IS 75 MILLION. FEELING DIFFERENCE WITH THIS ONE IS A HAS A VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH UNUSED INCREMENT.

SO THE TOP RIGHT. IT'S ADDED AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND. WE PUT THAT RATE AND THAT THE 474, THE MAXIMUM. IT'S BEEN PUT INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO HELP OFFSET SOME ENGINEERING COST.

FOR SOME OF THE ROAD PROJECTS AND OTHER THINGS.

IT CAN BE REALLOCATED TO OTHER PROJECTS FOR PERSONNEL, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD DESIRE.

FOR NOW THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE PLACED THAT.

>> IF I MIGHT, FOR THE RECORD JAMES ARP, CITY MANAGER.AN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS THE MAXIMUM RATE AND THEN THE ASSOCIATED BUDGETING RULES FOR CITIES ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL DOLLARS HAVE TO BE BUDGETED.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE RATES, THE DIFFERENCE, WHICHEVER ONE OF THESE RATES THAT YOU CHOOSE, REMEMBER THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN IT DOES THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THAT MNO WILL BE WHAT THAT TACKED ONTO.

WHEN IT DOES OCCUR GLACIER. IF IT IS $0.30 OR $0.27, NEXT YEAR THAT 3 1/2 WILL BE THERE. AT THE TOP REAR ANOTHER $0.32, IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE THAT RATE, WE WILL CHOOSE A DIFFERENT RATE.F YOU WERE TO CHOOSE THE NO NEW REVENUE AND NOT THE VOTER APPROVAL IT WOULD TAKE OVER FIVE YEARS AT THREE AND HALF PERCENT EACH YEAR TO GET BACK TO THE 32 CENTS.

THAT RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE RECOMMEND THAT WITH THE GROWING CITY AS FAST AS WE ARE GROWING, THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

WE CAN DO THAT WE HAVE SHOWN, WITHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS WITH HOMESTEAD HAVE A TAX EFFECT ON THEM THEY ALSO

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HAVE RATE REDUCTION TAXES. IT GETS US THE EXTRA REVENUE SO THAT WE CAN WORK ON, WE'VE GOT A PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT OUT THAT I'M SURE WILL COME BACK AND TELL US WE NEED TO DO WORK ON ROADS AND SO FUNDING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT TO FINISH OTHER PROJECTS, TO DO THINGS THAT COME ALONG IS REGROWING. IN THE MEANTIME EACH YEAR THAT YOU DON'T, WE'RE NOT AT THE RATE, IN FIVE YEARS YOU WILL BE FORFEITING I GUESS IS MAYBE THE RIGHT WORD, $15 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE. BEFORE YOU GET BACK TO THAT

RATE. >> THE UNUSED INCREMENT CAN CARRY BACK MULTIPLE YEARS. IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT

NEXT YEAR. >> AND USED INCREMENT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE LEGISLATURE WAS SET TO EXPIRE AFTER THREE YEARS OR FOUR. SO IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MUCH LONGER BECAUSE WHEN THEY REDID AND CHANGED EVERYTHING TO THE NO NEW REVENUE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS TORN AND SO DOES HAVE A SENSE OF PROVISION ON IT FOR 2024 AND 2025.

[INAUDIBLE] >> IT WILL STILL BE THERE NEXT

YEAR. >> I BELIEVE IT WILL STILL BE

THERE NEXT YEAR. >> CORRECT THE LEGISLATORS WILL BE IN SESSION IN THE SPRING.

>> THE OTHER, MAYOR AND COUNCIL IF I MAY, THE OTHER COMPONENT OF THIS IS, THIS IS NOT ANY ACTION THAT COUNSEL WOULD BE TAKING TONIGHT WOULD BE THE DEFINITIVE ACTION.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GIVE YOU THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL ADOPTION OVER WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ARRIVE AT THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT OPTIONS AT STAFF ARE PUTTING BEFORE YOU AND THE LAST COMPONENT I WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE FOR ANGIE SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND RETREAD IT IS, CITIES HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET WHICH MEANS, IF WE HAVE REVENUE COMING IN, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ASSOCIATED EXPENDITURE FOR THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND THAT IS WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT THE DOLLARS INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BECAUSE THERE ARE A ONE YEAR EXPENDITURE AND THE MONEY IS THEN AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR FOR LOOKING OUT FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES. EITHER AGAIN FOR ADDITIONAL CIP PROJECTS, OR FOR OTHER ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE THE PRIORITY OF

THIS COMMUNITY. >> THE DEFINITION IS KIND OF UP FOR, IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE NEGATIVE ON THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU WOULD BE USING FUND BALANCE, YOU WILL SHOW THAT IS REVENUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH REVENUES TO COVER THE EXPENDITURES. WHAT YOU OFTEN SEE IN UTILITY FUND IS PARTICULARLY IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND SAID THERE MAY STILL BE DOLLARS LEFT ON THE BOTTOM LINE.

NOT USUALLY BUT -- JUST TO GO BACK THROUGH WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR NOW BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THESE FTES AND THERE, WILL HAVE A THREE PERCENT COLA AND THREE PERCENT MERIT. MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT IN BOTH UTILITY FUND AND GENERAL FUND, IT IS VERY HEAVY UTILITY TECHNICIANS, PARKS DEPARTMENT, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, BUILDING INSPECTOR, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY SHOWN YOU. >> BEFORE YOU GO PAST THIS PAGE, NOR THE POLICE CHIEF PUT IN FOR US TO TRY TO GET THE MATCHING FUNDS FROM THE NATIONAL POLICE DEAL.

AS THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN ASSUMING WE DON'T

GET THAT? >> YES.

AND EVEN IF WE GOT THAT WE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 25 PERCENT CHIEF? AM I CORRECT ON THE GRANT FOR THE FIRST YEAR? WE STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 25 PERCENT OF SALARIES IN THE FIRST YEAR, EVEN IF WE DO RECEIVE THE GRANT. AND WE WOULD STILL NEED TO OUTFIT THEM AND GIVE THEM THE UNIFORM AND SUPPLIES.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GOING AFTER THE NETWORK FULLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE

BUDGETING FOR IT. >> YES.

THOSE ARE THERE AND FULLY FUNDED.

THOSE THREE OFFICERS, IF WE GET THERE GRANT MONEY THAT'S A WINDFALL TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT CAN BE USED.

AS A SELLER WILL STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 24 PERCENT OF SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND IT IS THAT 100 AND -- CAN'T REMEMBER BUT THERE IS A FOR EACH YEAR. AND THEN EACH YEAR WILL GROW SO NEXT YOU KNOW FORGOT IT FOR THE NEXT YEAR WILL BE 25 PERCENT AND THEN 50 PERCENT, AND SO ON, UNTIL WE CAN GET WHERE WE ARE PAYING 100 PERCENT OF THAT. AND THEN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE LARGER ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, -- SOME

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IMPROVEMENTS TO COUNTY ROAD 199 IN FRONT STREET TO TRY TO GET THAT INTO BETTER SHAPE. BRIDGE REPAIRS AT FRITZ PARK.

TENNIS COURT LIGHT REPLACEMENT I BELIEVE IT FRITZ PARK ALSO.

COMPOSITION AND STAFFING STUDY AND FACILITY MAINTENANCE STUDY.

IT IS MORE THAN MAINTENANCE, YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT THE REPLACEMENT OR EXPANSION OF THE BUILDINGS ALSO WHEN THEY MAY BE OUTGROWN OR WHEN THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE REPLACED BUT ALSO TO HELP US PREPARE FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THINGS LIKE AIR CONDITIONERS AND IF WE NEED TO REPLACE THE ROOF OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE THE LARGER DOLLARS.

AND WE DO HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR MOWING THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT.

IT IS IN THERE THAT'S A $200,000 ITEM.

THEN MOWING OF THE PARKS IS ALSO A $250,000 ITEM THAT YOU WILL SEE, THOSE ARE SOME LARGER EXPENDITURES BUT THEY WILL BE ONGOING FOR NOW UNLESS WE DECIDE TO REPLACE THEM WITH STAFF. THE BUDGET CALENDAR RIGHT NOW THE NEXT MEETING WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AND FRUSTRATING TO ADOPT POSSIBLY THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF THAT. THEN IN THE 15TH THE SECOND READING OF THE BUDGET AND SECOND READING OF THE TAX RATE.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE TAX RATE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE ITEM. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT. >> WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT ORGANIZED AND START WITH COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON AND WORK

YOUR WAY AROUND. >> ON THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THERE IS POSSIBLE ACTION IS THERE SOMETHING WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT?

>> IT WOULD REALLY BE DECIDING THAT IN THE ISSUANCE AND THE RESOLUTION OF THE DEBT, NOT NECESSARILY HERE.

UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS A GROUP, YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON JUST PUBLICLY TO DECIDE ON THE CAPITAL

IMPROVEMENT PLAN ITEMS. >> I LIKE TO MODIFY.

[INAUDIBLE] TO INCLUDE THE DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALKS.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT THAT IN?

>> NOT NECESSARILY BOND BUT THE PLAN AT LEAST.

>> OKAY. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE COST FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE DON'T GIVE YOUR OWN NUMBERS. IT IS ROUGHLY 5 MILLION.

$5 MILLION PROJECT. IT WOULD EITHER NEED TO BE SPREAD OUT OVER TIME FOR THE GENERAL FUND TO DO THAT OR WE

COULD INCLUDE IT. >> RIGHT LEG HAVE IN THE

GENERAL FUND, IS THAT CORRECT? >> ALL WE HAVE IS THE, TO REPAVE IT. WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL, THE INTENT WAS TO COME THROUGH AND DO.

>> INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH OVERLAY FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS VERSUS MILLIONS.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING MILLION VERSUS A FEW MILLION.

THE DIFFERENCE IS MUCH CLOSER AND IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME TO SPEND THE MILLION THAT HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO ALL THOSE WE GET AROUND TO THE DRAINAGE I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE WHOLE THING AT THIS POINT. AND WHETHER THAT MEANS IT IS THIS YOUR HOUSE TO WHITTIER THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO CIP THAT SETS WE WILL DO IN THE PROJECT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WHERE IT FITS AND HOW WE FUND IT.

AS FAR AS MY CONCERN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN ADD UPGRADING THE PHONE SYSTEMS FROM THE GM THREE TO THE GM FIVE. WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO TRANSITION TO A MICROSOFT TEAMS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PHONES SO THEY WOULDN'T BE -- WILL BE ON YOUR PHONE FOR A NAP AND MODERNIZE THE WAY ALL THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT.

BUT WE HAVE TO UPGRADE THE MICROSOFT LICENSING TO DO THAT.

>> WITH A FULL AND RESULTS FROM ARE WE DOING A STUDY?

>> WE ARE DOING A MASTER PLAN. AND YES, IT WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE, WHICH INCLUDE A MASTER PLAN AND WE JUST BEGAN THERE FOR IT.

SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN THE NOVEMBER TIME.

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>> WITHIN US DOING THAT WHICH WILL BE GREAT A DEATH RATTLE AT THE STUDY TELL US WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.

AND THEN WE CAN STILL DISCUSS AND CHANGE AT THAT TIME IF WE

DON'T LIKE THE RESULTS. >> THE INTENT IS TO BRING THE STUDY BACK TO COUNSEL AND SHOW YOU WILL HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION,

DEVELOPING HOW TO IMPLEMENT. >> MILLER CONCERN WAS IF WE WAIT FOR THAT FOR THIS ONE THING THAT IT WOULD BE BUDGETED AND WE HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE YEAR, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT

THAT ONE. >> I KNOW THAT WE NEED IT

SOUNDS GOOD BUT -- >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ANY OTHER ITEMS? >> NO.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM? >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILMEMBER THORTON, IT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND COMMUNICATED AND RESIDENTS ON THE STREET KIND OF ARE AWARE WHAT'S GOING ON WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US KNOW THAT WE ARE CLOSER TO WHAT IT WOULD BE TO DOING THAT, I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT WAYS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT. MAYBE A PHASED APPROACH OR WE JUST KIND OF WORK OUR WAY EAST AND KIND OF KEEP GOING AND IF IT TAKES A COUPLE YEARS TO GET IT DONE OR THREE YEARS TO GET IT DONE MAYBE THAT'S AWAY. I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT UNDERGROUND STORM DRAIN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF SO WE CAN START BRANCHING OFF. THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO POSSIBLY ADD WOULD BE SOMETHING AT -- WE HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. ROUGHLY A YEAR AND HALF AGO THE STUDY WAS DONE AND IT WAS WARRANTED TO HAVE A SIGNAL THERE. AND SO I'D LIKE US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAYBE BUMP UP INTO THE SCHEDULE AND GET IT DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. AND THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON PARTICIPATING IN A FUNDING EVENT. I DON'T KNOW.

THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING. >> OTHER ITEMS?

>> NO. >> COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY?

>> I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING I WANT TO ADD.

JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THE PROPOSED TAX RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I KNOW THAT JUST WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH, IT WAS GOING TO BE A STRETCH.

THERE'S GOING TO BE BOND MONEY AND ISSUANCE.

THERE IS NO WE CAN AFFORD TO FUND ALL THE PROJECTS, AND OTHER WE ARE POTENTIALLY ADDING ON ADDITIONAL, WHICH LIVE OAK I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SHOWN, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTED SO I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT YES, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BUDGET SO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I DO JUST, IF WE ADDING THINGS TO THIS THAT WEREN'T EVEN THERE AND NOW MORE TO THE BOTTOM DOLLAR, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO FOR GEO BONDS AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH THE MORE AGGRESSIVE TAX RATE.

I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T DECIDED ON HOW AGGRESSIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WILL GET THERE IN THE TYPE OF PROJECTS AND THE TIMELINESS THAT WE WANT THE PROJECTS DONE STAYING AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. FOR MYSELF, I REALLY DECIDED ON HOW AGGRESSIVE THAT I THINK IS, THAT I WANT TO DO.

BUT I DIFFERENTLY YOUR STAFF SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE AGGRESSIVE RATE AND POTENTIALLY ADDING ON ANOTHER 4 MILLION, $5 MILLION. AT THIS POINT I THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.

I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS THAT AND THANK YOU, STAFF, THE PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND BREAKING IT DOWN AND INTO DIGESTIBLE NUMBERS AND REAL EXAMPLES, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT AND TAKING TIME TO BRING THAT BACK AND WHAT WE ASKED FOR. IT'S JUST A LOT TO DIGEST AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE GOING ON IN THE CITY. THERE'S JUST A MUCH WORK ON EVERY SINGLE CORNER. OF COURSE I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MY TAX BILL GOING UP. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST QUALITY OF LIFE IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE SAY WE WANTED.

YOU KNOW FOR OUR CITIZENS I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT AND IF IT GOES UP, $20 IN APARTMENT OR YOU KNOW, 220 FOR THOSE ABOUT HOMESTEAD. FOR YEARS IT WILL BE DIVIDED BY 12, FOR ME, I AM LEANING TOWARD THE MORE AGGRESSIVE RATE JUST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET ALL THESE THINGS DONE.

PEOPLE WANT TO SEE PROGRESS AND THAT HAS A $.

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THE LONGER WE WAIT THE MORE AND MORE IT GOES UP.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> COUNCILMEMBER?

>> FOR LIVE OAK STREET, I GUESS, THERE IS A MILLION AND THEN POTENTIAL 5 MILLION. YOU KNOW TO EITHER REPAVE OR 5 MILLION DO EVERYTHING DRAINAGE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE "IN DEPTH" OF THE PROJECT.

ARE WE STILL HAVING ISSUES WITH -- WITH THE NATURAL GAS LINE, IS THAT WITHHOLDING IS BACK AND OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A FUNDING ISSUE NOT A NUMBERS THING. AND THAT IS JUST SOMETHING KIND OF HOLDING US BACK FROM DOING LIVE OAK OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN KIND OF WORK ON LIVE OAK LIKE THE NEW PARTS AND CONNECTING THE CITY AND NOT NECESSARILY THE PART THAT IS IN SHAMBLES AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF WEIGHT ON.

WE WORK AROUND THAT FROM 1662 YOU KNOW WHATEVER THE BORDER

IS. >> ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE AT MIST PORTION THERE, HAVE AGREED TO IMPROVE FOR PLACES A SECTION WEST OF 1660, WE HAVE A ROUGH TIMEFRAME FROM THEM, THEY'VE NOT STARTED THAT WORK YET.

BUT IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THEY WOULD BEGIN SOON, WERE TRYING TO GET A SPECIFIC DATE BUT THE LIMITS OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BASICALLY WEST OF 1660. SO, IN TERMS OF CONSTRAINT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR SCHEDULE BUT WE HAVE BEEN

WAITING ON A NUMBER OF MONTHS. >> I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK THEM DOWN OR SOMETHING. IT'S LIKE YOUR FEEL FROM THEM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU A SOLID ANSWER BUT WHAT ARE YOU FEELING? AS TO HOW WE CAN GET UP ON THE

LIST. >> THEY INDICATED THAT THEY BEGAN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THERE'S REPLACEMENT.

AS SOON AS YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE, WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE. BUT AT LEAST WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO INDICATE THAT THEY ARE

GEARING UP. >> THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

I COULD BE IN FAVOR OF DOING ALL OF LIVE OAK IF -- IS GOING TO GET THE JOB AND THEN OF COURSE, WE COME IN AFTERWARDS.

I THINK ANGIE, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND QUESTION.IF WE SPLIT THIS UP WITH, IS IT 34 MILLION AND THEN.

>> 37 AND 44. >> IF WE DO 37, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK POTENTIALLY NEXT YEAR WITH THE DIFFERENCE THE 10 MILLION DIFFERENCE. AND DO A SECOND BOND ISSUANCE.

>> DETERMINE HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR THOSE DESIGN COSTS SOMEHOW.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ISSUE IT. THE 7 MILLION THIS BEING PULLED OUT, WE HAVE TO BE FUNDED ELSEWHERE.

>> OKAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, MY FAVORITE DOING THE FULL OUT OF THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOK LIKE IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT, IF WE DID BREAK IT UP AGAINST THE PROCESS OF COMING BACK TO COUNSEL OR IF IT'S A SECOND ONE.

>> SAID THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY ON SOME OF THE MEGA-SITE ITEMS, FOR THE EDC TO POSSIBLY HELP.

AND I WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM. AND THEN THE DEVELOPERS THERE THAT COME IN, MAY BE REIMBURSED MIST ON THE ROAD BUT WE DO HAVE ANY OF THAT WORK OUT YET BUT IF THOSE MONIES COME BACK THEY CAN

BE USED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. >> TO THE MEGA-SITE IMPROVEMENTS ALSO BE REIMBURSED?

>> YES. WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF REIMBURSEMENT, CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH AND THEN, IF THERE IS A TIRZ CREATED THAT COULD HELP IN THAT ALSO.E DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS IN PLACE YET

TO SAY IT'S JUST POTENTIAL.>> COUNCILMEMBER?

>> YES, I'M SORRY. >> I BELIEVE EVERY PROJECT IS NEEDED ON THIS LIST. THE PROBLEM I HAVE BEEN HAVING IS THAT I BEEN TRYING TO THINK OF AN ANALOGY AND ALL COULD THINK OF IS IF THEY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING TO BUILD IT, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE BUT I KNEW I WANTED

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THE HOUSE. WHEN I GO AHEAD AND BORROW THE HALF MILLION DOLLARS TODAY, KNOWING THAT I WOULD THEN BORROW IT START PAYING JUINTERE AS I FIND A LOT AND DO HER THING IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. I SAID THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE JUST BORROW BONDS FOR 15 MILLION THIS YEAR.

SINCE THUS WE ARE BUDGETING THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE NEXT YEAR. AND THE NEXT YEAR WE DO ANOTHER -- 30 MILLION THE NEXT YEAR AND 21 MILLION THE NEXT YEAR.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM PART OF OUR PILLAR AND FINANCIAL STABILITY TO BORROW TWO YEARS WORTH OF MONEY TODAY BECAUSE THE INTEREST AND DEBT SERVICE COST ON THAT ALONE, IS A YEARS WORTH OF SIDEWALK AND IMPROVEMENTS.

WE WON'T EVEN GET TO USE BECAUSE WE WILL SPEND OVER MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT SERVICE.

THAT BENEFITS NOBODY. I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THAT PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE US TO DO, I DON'T KNOW THE BEST TIME TO DO THIS BUT WE HAVE A CIP LIST. WHERE WE SEE CAN'T GET EVERYBODY THINGS TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR BUT THE COUNCIL REALLY NOTHING HAS TAKEN A STEP TO PRIORITIZE WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST. AND I'M NOT SAYING STAFF IS WRONG WHAT THEY SAY BUT IF YOU PICK AND CHOOSE, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT ELECTED PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WILL GET KILLED FOR FOR NOT GETTING DONE AND WHAT YOU'LL GET A PAT ON THE BACK FOR. WHAT I WOULD LIKE THIS TO DO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WILL WE GET TO STARTED TO PASS THINGS, WE HAD ON THE PROJECT. LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING THINGS AND WE WERE TOLD THEY WOULD GET OUT AND NOT ON THE LIST THIS YEAR WHICH TELLS ME WE PROBABLY NEED FORMAL ACTION SO WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THINGS ADDED ON. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NOT ON HERE, BUT THE SUBURBAN, AND OF THE ORDER PRIORITIZED BUT -- THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRAFFIC GOES UP ED SCHMIDT, TAKES A RIGHT AND THEN LEFT ON 1660. APPROVING ONE DOES NOT FIX THE BOTTLENECK. AT SOME POINT, THAT WILL HAVE THE LIST, IF IT HAS TOO MUCH MORE IT WILL CONFLICT WITH LOWE'S. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT DID NOT GET DONE. I KNOW THE GUY THAT TOLD US SHE COULD DO IT IS NO LONGER WITH US.

THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A REALLY EASY FIX AND NAMES, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT AGAIN, AND SOME KIND OF GAIT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO OPEN UP AN 18 WHEELER -- ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE STOP ALL OF THE BUSINESS. I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT PUTTING MONEY, YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE ME I DON'T REMEMBER THE HOUSE OVER BY THE WASTEWATER PLANT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHARITIES THAT USE IT.

SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MONEY IN THEIR OR MAYBE LOOK AT DEMO MONEY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT DID BACK IN THE 70S.

ONLY NOW, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT. IF SOMETHING WERE JUST THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE AT SOME POINT IF WERE GOING TO KEEP IT AN ASSET OR NOT BEFORE BECOMES UNINHABITABLE.

>> IS AT THE ONE -- >> I THINK -- AMERICAN LEGION.

I THINK OPERATES OUT OF THERE. THEY DO RETIREMENT THERE.

THOSE ARE COUPLE OF THINGS ALONG WITH THE LIVE OAK.

WE NEED TO GET IT ON PAPER, WE NEED TO GET PRIORITIZED AND READ TO SET IT INTO WORK. PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. AND THEN WE KNOW TO VOTE ON THE EXCHANGE SIGNAL. I'M NOT AS MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THAT. NOT THAT I'M NOT IN FOR SAFETY BUT THE DEVELOPER BUILDS THE DEVELOPMENT AND REMAKE THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS. IF YOU LIKE WHEN A SCHOOL BUILDS A SCHOOL ON A MAIN ROAD, THEY SHOULD FUNDING THE CROSSWALKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. IT GOES WITH THAT.

ONLY BECAUSE THERE ROUGHLY 4 TIMES OUR SIZE.

THOSE ARE THINGS I'M HOPING WE CAN VOTE ON OTHER COUNSEL.

SO THAT WE GIVE STAFF MORE DIRECT, MORE DIRECTION, MORE DIRECT DIRECTION AND MAY BE PRIORITIZING.

I KNOW THIS IS MORE REPULSIVE THING BUT I COULD COMPLETELY BE MISLEADING THIS. I THINK I'M MISSED -- WHEN IT I LOVE-- WE ARE BUDGETING $424,000 FOR COURT SERVICES.

IF I READ IT RIGHT WE ARE ONLY EXPECTING 17,000 IN REVENUE.

I'M NOT EXPECTING THE REVENUE FROM THE COURT SYSTEM SHOULD

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EQUALLY THE EXPENSES. BUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MUNICIPAL COURT FUND, TRUANCY COURT FUND, COURT TECHNOLOGY FUND, SECURITY FUND, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TICKET MONEY

GOES. >> IS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

UNDER GENERAL FUND, THE LINE THAT IS FINDS IS 308,000 IS THE

BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. >> OKAY THAT'S ALL, IS IT JUST ALL COURT OR LIKE THE WATER BILL?

>> NO JUST ALL COURT. >> OKAY SO THAT'S NOT AS BAD.

NOT THAT I WANTED INCREASE. >> OTHER FUNDS YOU'RE SEEING ARE RESTRICTED BY STATE LAW. THEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THINGS LIKE WHAT THE TITLE IS PEER JURY, SECURITY, TRUANCY

AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> OKAY.

THEN THERE WAS THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.

IN 2021, READ PROCEEDS FROM BOND ISSUANCE AT ROUGHLY 8.9 MILLION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REFUNDED IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. NOTHING PROPOSED FOR 2023.

PART OF ME WAS SAYING IF YOU'RE NOT AN INCREASE, AT SOME POINT PROBABLY, DO WE NOT PUT THAT IN THERE AT SOME POINT?

>> WHAT'S AUTHORIZED. THE GAO REPORT HAS NOT BEEN.

>> THE GENERAL FUND ON THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL GENERAL EXPENSES. ROUGHLY ABOUT 1/4 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE. EACH OF THE LAST THREE YEARS,

THEN WE WERE 2,000,058. >> ABERNATHY COLA AND MERIT DOLLARS SITTING IN THE LINE ITEMS. THERE WE RELOCATED TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS FOR THE

FINAL BUDGET. >> YOU GUYS ANSWERED MY QUESTION I THINK I SAW 7 MILLION.

OR SOMETHING AND I WAS LIKE MY GOD.

>> IT INCREASED BY TWO. CHRIS JUST MORE OF A HOLDING, OKAY. THAT EXPLAINS.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE IF IS THERE A 3.45 MILLION IN ENGINEERING PROTECTION SERVICES WHERE APPARENTLY HAVE A CRAZY IDEA. I WILL NOT SAY IT TONIGHT.

BUT AT SOME POINT, I PHOTOGRAPHED THE FIGURE WAY BECAUSE THE NUMBER IS GROWING SUBSTANTIALLY.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE EASIEST THING TO DO.

I'M NOT KNOCKING CONSULTANTS BUT IS THE EASY BUTTON, HIRE MORE CONSULTANTS, NOT THE POINT -- WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEYS IN ENGINEERING IS TO ENOUGH MONEY. LAST YEAR WE GOT TO THREE AND HALF MILLION WITH THE ATTORNEYS WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING. I'M NOTICING ENGINEERS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING BUT AS WE RAMP UP TO THREE AND HALF MILLION IT MAKES ME WANT TO START SCRUTINIZING, STOP SCRUTINIZING THE $300,000 BILL AND MOVED TO THE BIG STUFF.

AND THEN, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS JUST A GENERAL COMMENT.

LOOKS OUR PERCENTAGE OF SALES AND USE TAXES IS GOING UP AS OVERALL REVENUES. IT HAS BEEN TRENDING IN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE. WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD SIGN FOR HEALTHY CITY AND WE ARE RELYING LESS AS A PERCENT OF REVENUES ON PROPERTY TAXES. THINK YOUR FIRST SLIDE SHOWED THAT HOMESTEAD HAS GONE DOWN. THE LAST THING IS WITH THE RATE, EVERYONE KNOWS I AM A HUGE NO NEW REVENUE PERSON THIS IS A UNIQUE YEAR AND THAT IS LIKE A PERFECT STORM OF HOW TO DRIVE SOMETHING SO LOW, YOU CAN'T -- OUT AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT THIS YEAR. I TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT THIS.

BUT I DO SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE CATCH UP.

ONE THING ABOUT IT BEFORE I DIDN'T WANT TO SACRIFICE TO BORROW THE MONEY. BUT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE THAN WHAT THE CITY CAN SHOW THEY WILL SPEND IN ONE YEAR ON SALES. BECAUSE I THINK THE MOST PRUDENT FINANCIAL STABILITY WAY OF DOING THINGS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND 15 MILLION, BORROW 16.

COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE A BETTER PLAN YOU SPEND 20 MILLION THEN BORROW 21. I'M JUST SAYING YOU'LL NEVER GET BEHIND BORROWING TWO OR THREE OF THEM YEARS IT WAS ON RATHER SAVE THE DEBT SERVICE AND USE IT FOR SIDEWALK.

YOU COULD BUILD A COUPLE OF SWING SETS, PRETTY NICE SWING SETS WITH THAT. I KNOW IT'S EASIER TO DO IT ALL, WITH TRADITIONAL COST TO THE DEBT SERVICE COSTS.

BUT THAT IS NOT AS MUCH AS THE DEBT SERVICE.

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THE LAST THING I'LL SAY THAT I'M DONE.

I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD GROUNDSWELL THE MONEY WE HAVE COMING IN BECAUSE WITH THE GROWTH WE HAVE AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF IMPACT. EVERY HOUSE BUILT THAT WAS PLANTED 18 MONTHS GENERATES 14,000 EITHER IN WASTEWATER, OR 4000 AND TRAFFIC FEES. AND SO IF I BUILD A THOUSAND HOMES THING IS FOR MILLION DOLLARS IN TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEES COMING IN FOR MULTIPLE KIDS ASSUMING THEY SELL BONDS AND THEN, BETWEEN ALL THAT AND JUST REGULAR REVENUE, I KINDA FEEL LIKE 14 MILLION A YEAR, IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO KICK OFF PROJECT WILL USE SOME -- TO MAKE THE FIRST DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO PROVE IT BECAUSE WERE ABOUT TO REALLY GO INTO CONSTRUCTION.

BUT I THINK EVERYONE IS HAPPY. N THE FLIPSIDE IF WE DO 34 MILLION, WE COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE HAVE ONE INTERSECTION UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WHEN FINISHED.

SOMEONE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE UPSET.

I THINK IT IS BETTER TO UNDER PROMISE AND OVER DELIVER THEN IT IS TO OVERPROMISE. THIS KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

NO OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL WE GET TO CIP WE CAN TAKE WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT TO ADD AND TAKE A VOTE, THEN WE CAN COME OUT LATER AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRIORITIZE PUPILS USES.

>> I WILL SAY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THAT IS BASED ON WHEN THE FEE WAS ADOPTED IN THE PLOTTING THAT OCCURRED IN PLACES YOU REINSTATED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, THAT WAS LAST YEAR. REINSTATED THAT I BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH. MAYBE THERE'S MONEY COMING.

I NEED TO TALK TO ASHLEY. THEN AGAIN, WHEN WE CHANGE THE IMPACT FEES, I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLY THIS FISCAL YEAR BEFORE HE REALLY STARTED SEEING THOSE HOMES BEING PAID ON HOMES BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH THAT WAS ALREADY PLOTTED UNDER THE OLDER RATES. SOME OF THAT IS STILL, IT DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN. JUST BECAUSE YOU PROVE THIS TODAY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY START PAYING FOR ITSELF.

IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES VERY LOW BUT RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SEEING A LOT ON THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE RECORD, JAMES ARP, CITY MANAGER. I WILL NEVER INTERRUPT A CITY

MANAGER. >> OVER TO ASK THE MAYOR STATEMENTS ABOUT PAY-AS-YOU-GO CONCEPT.

I UNDERSTAND. BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO ASK, FOR THE CFO AND ALL OF THEM TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENTIAL COST ANALYSIS, BECAUSE WE LOOK AT IT, IT IS NOT ABOUT ONE YEAR IS LOOKING AT YOUR ISSUING A DEBT FOR 30 YEARS.

YOU HAVE 30 YEARS PAID TODAY ALL AT ONCE, YOU HAVE THE CAPITAL AND YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT COST IN DIFFERENT AMOUNT AND A GUARANTEE, THE TIMES AT THE GROCERY STORE THREE TIMES VERSUS SAM'S ONCE IS A DIFFERENT PRICE.

AND YES, YOU MAY PAY MORE IT SEEMS TO GO BUT YOU ARE SET FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THERE A DIFFERENTIAL COST.

BUT THE COMPLEX PART OF THIS IS, WHAT ARE INTEREST RATES GOING TO BE WHEN YOU COME BACK IN A YEAR SAYING THAT? BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, THE COST FOR ONE YEAR, VERSUS A YEAR LATER IN ISSUE WITH DIFFERENCE IN DEBT, YOU WILL BE PAYING A DIFFERENTIAL COST OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE IN YOUR WAY IF WE LOOK AT IT TO THE TOTAL COST OF THE CITY OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS. MAYBE YOU'RE LIKE I DON'T CARE SAVES MONEY BUT I LOOK AT IT AS THE OVERALL TAX BURDEN FOR EVERYONE THAT WILL LIVE HERE, PROBABLY THE REST OF OUR LIVES OF 30 YEARS. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIFFERENTIAL COST. WHICHEVER IS A BETTER PRICE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO WITH. BUT JUST TO THROW AN IDEA, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS YOU HAVE THE DATA BEHIND IT.

I WILL REFER BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER NOW BUT THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SEE FOR THE ANALYSIS TO BE DONE.

>> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE OF HER LAST MEETING THAT THE INTEREST RATE CHANGES -- I WILL GO ON RECORD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT THIS TIME NESTOR, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANTICIPATION REDUCTION RATES.

IF I GO TO BORROW MONEY BASED ON WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? IF THAT'S THE CASE, LESS BORROW THE FULL MAXIMUM AND BORROW THE FULL 60 MILLION AND MAYBE THROW A COUPLE MORE ON IT.

BECAUSE IF WE ARE SURE RATES WOULD GO UP WE SHOULD PLAY THAT GAME IN MY MIND IT IS A PILLAR OF FINANCIAL STABILITY.

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THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO BORROW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO JUST LIKE YOU WOULD AT YOUR HOUSE.

MOST PEOPLE I DON'T THINK GET A NEW CREDIT CARD, MAX OUT, THE FIRST MONTH BECAUSE $20,000, ZERO PERCENT JUST FOR YOUR I WILL MAX OUT TODAY. I THINK I'LL BUY STUFF LATER.

PAY AS YOU GO, IF THINGS COME UP IT GIVES US PLENTY OF FINANCIAL -- IS GIVES A SILLY ABILITY TO FIND MORE MONEY SHOULD WE NEED TO. BUT THE DIFFERENCE -- I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HERE 30 YEARS.

RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS AFFORDABILITY.

IT IS ONLY $20 MORE FOR AN APARTMENT THIS YEAR BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS IS -- ONCE BORROW THE MONEY, THAT IS $20 THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR WHEN THE VALUE GOES

UP IT COULD CAUSE $22. >> IT WON'T.

BECAUSE HERE'S THE CONCEPT OF WHAT HAPPENED.

WE ARE IN A GROWTH TOWN. SAY 20 PERCENT MORE PEOPLE COME IN BUT WE DON'T ISSUE MORE DEBT.

BY DEFINITION, HAVE A LARGER, LOOK AT THE CONCEPT OF THIS.

TODAY, THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE WE HAVE TO BUILD A BRIDGE.

AND IT COSTS $100. EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. YOU WILL PAY $50, I WILL PAY $50. BUT THEN NEXT YEAR, PETER AND CRYSTAL AND KIMBERLY AND DAN COME WE ADDED FIVE MORE PEOPLE.

LET'S MAKE IT EASY THERE ARE EIGHT PEOPLE NOW.

PAID A SET OF 50 WE DIVIDE 100 BY 8 PEOPLE.

NOW EVERYONE IS PAYING $20. $10.

YOU STILL HAVE THE DEBT BUT THEN THE DEBT RATE WENT DOWN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE THAT STAYED HERE BECAUSE THE POPULATION GROWTH. THE ONLY REASON IT WOULD GO UP IS IF MORE PEOPLE LEFT AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN.

IT IS EVERYBODY ROWING THE BOAT TOGETHER.

BUT WE CONTROL WHAT THE VALUES ARE.

I'M SAYING IF YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE TO SHARE THE BURDEN, IT WILL GO DOWN AND WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE COMMERCIAL GROWTH, WE WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE MOVING HERE, WE KNOW THAT'S A FACT.

YOU CONCEPT ABOUT THE CREDIT CARD CONCEPT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT FINANCE.

>> I CANNOT SAY THINGS WITHOUT LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I CANNOT SAY FOR A FACT -- ANYONE THAT LIVED HERE IN 2008 A BELIEVE, WE BUILT INTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THE FACT WAS THAT THE GROWTH WAS COMING TO BUILD THE SCHOOL.

BUT THE REAL FACT WAS, DUE TO THE RECESSION THAT GOT OUT OF CONTROL, THE GROWTH STALLED AND PRICES WENT DOWN.

KEEP IN MIND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE HOMESTEAD HOMEOWNERS GET SUCH A DEGREE AS TO THE POTENTIAL FOR DECREASE IS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL GREW SO MUCH.

WHAT TO DO COMMERCIAL DROPS 25 PERCENT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE HAD A MAJOR RECESSION. THE FEDS SCREWED UP, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DO IT RIGHT ALL THE TIME.

THEY MUST'VE COME OUT PROPERTY VALUES DROPPED 24 PERCENT PUBERTAL HOMESTEAD PROPERTY, MOST HAVE FIVE YEARS OF GROWTH BUILT IN. WE WILL STILL GET A 10 PERCENT VALUE THE COMMERCIAL DROPPED 25 PERCENT, COUNCILMEMBER THORTON BROUGHT THIS UP. THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE PAYING A LOT MORE BECAUSE THIS SEVEN-POINT BUMP GOING TO COMMERCIAL. NOW IT SWINGS BACK AND HOMEOWNERS PICK UP THE BIGGER TAB.

>> THERE IS NO CRYSTAL BALL. I JUST CAN'T SAY WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.

IF THE GROWTH HAPPENS, THAT'S GREAT! MAYOR PRO TEM AND I TALK ALL THE TIME.

WHAT IF WE HAD A MAJOR RECESSION NEXT YEAR?

>>, EVEN IF WE DO, THE CHIPS ACT ALREADY PASSED AND WAS SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT.THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

THAT GROWTH IS COMING. REGARDLESS OF WHAT NATIONALLY, YOU'RE RIGHT WOULD HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HEADED BUT I DON'T THINK WITH TESLA AND SAMSUNG AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, THAT WILL BE THE SITUATION.

NOR SHALL MAKE NO DECISION ASSUMING THE NEGATIVE VALUE WHEN WE ARE TALKING THE DIFFERENCE.

I'M JUST SAYING THE COST ANALYSIS.

LET THE NUMBER SAY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK HUTTO IS IN THE PLACES TODAY BECAUSE NO ONE PREPARED FOR THE GROWTH. AND GRANTED, WE COULDN'T ACCESS BONDS ILLUSTRIOUS BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL SITUATION.

AND SO, AFTER THE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.

WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND THAT WE'VE GOT TO MOVE QUICK.

THE WAY TO DO THAT IS HAVE THE FUNDS ACCESSIBLE FOR CITY

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MANAGER EARP AND STAFF. PEOPLE WANT TO SEE MOVEMENT.

I BELIEVE THE TABLE COMPLAINT IS TRAFFIC AND ROADS, THAT I SEE. AND WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN, WHAT WILL THEY DO WITH IT? YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN? I MEAN, SO, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND I THINK YOU ARE CRYSTAL BOLLING.

THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE SIDES.

MAYBE WHICHEVER. BUT AS A LONG-TIME CITIZEN, I CANNOT SIT HERE AND SAY LET'S JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

THAT CAN HAS BEEN DOWN THE ROAD 15 YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COMMENT. I BELIEVE STEPH IS IN A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER SO WE CAN SEE IT CLEARLY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND AS FOR CIP PROJECTS I'M STILL NOT REALLY CLEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT.

IF YOU'RE WANTING US TO DO IT TONIGHT, GO THROUGH EACH ONE AND PRIORITIZE THEM OURSELVES OR AS A COUNSEL.

I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVE IS ON THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF THEM ARE URGENT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, QUALITY OF LIFE PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK THEY'RE ALL PRETTY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.>> THE ONLY TENSES THAT HOW DO WE ADDED A $4 MILLION LIVE OAK PROJECT? IT IS AS A COUNSEL BECAUSE NO OFFENSE TO COUNCILMEMBER THORTON, IT JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED OR WANT SOMETHING OR SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS SOMETHING. I THINK AS A BODY, ONE IS A $4 MILLION DECISION WE PUT ON THERE.

FOR THE GROWING FAMILY HAVE TO MAKE PRIORITIES BECAUSE HAD THE CITY MANAGER KNOW -- WHICH THREE DO YOU WANT? THE CITY MANAGER PICS AND THE OTHER WILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. IN MY MIND, TO HELP DIRECT BUT THIS IS A PRIORITY THAT WE WANT THE ROAD PROJECTS COME AND IF YOU CAN KNOCK THEM ALL OUT NEXT YEAR IT'S GREAT.

BUT FOR KANT, WHICH PROJECT DO WE NOT DO NEXT YEAR? BECAUSE AS A LACK OF PERSONNEL AND LACK OF, WADE WILL DO ALL THE WORK HIMSELF IT'S ALL CONSULTANT.

IF YOU DON'T PRIORITIZE, THAT'S WHAT GOT US IN PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SAYING KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

I PROPOSE INTO FULLY FEDERAL STEPH IS PRESENTING TO SPEND NEXT YEAR AND THAT'S IT, NO KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, NOT DOING A PROJECT, LET'S ADD MORE PROJECTS AND BORROW MORE MONEY NEXT YEAR. WHEN IT'S READY TO BE BARRED.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> YOU'RE JUST PROPOSING FOR NEXT YEAR ANOTHER SET OF CIP PROJECTS.

>> MCP PART IS BECAUSE THEY WON'T GET DONE WHEN YOU'RE JUST BECAUSE A CAP PROJECT AGAIN GIVE US IS OLD BUT 14.86 MILLION IS EXPECTED TO BE EXPENDED NEXT YEAR.

ALL I'M PROPOSING IS, HAVE SIMILARLY MOCOA TO BOND 16 MILLION THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S A STURDY MONEY BUT IT MAY BE 25 OR 35. THE NEXT YEAR YOU BOND OUT WHAT YOU CAN PHYSICALLY DO BECAUSE THEY MAKE IT INTO THIS, THERE IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -- ALMOST 20 PROJECTS.

WE'VE STRUGGLED TO GET THE SAME THREE PROJECTS TWO YEARS IN A ROW UP AND RUNNING. IT TOOK US A YEAR JUST TO DO DRAINAGE DITCH AND SO, I'M NOT CONFIDENT WE CAN GET 20 PROJECTS OUT TO CONSULTANTS GET THEM ALL BID OUT AND THESE PEOPLE ARE SURVEYING, ALTHOUGH I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING IN ONE YEAR. YOU FIND WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO. CITY MANAGER IS TO BE FOR THE JOB AND WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA IN 46 MONTHS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HE MAY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IDEA ON THE CAP PLAN HE WANTS. THEN WE COME BACK HE CAN ALWAYS BORROW MORE MONEY JUST CAN'T PAY IT BACK.

ONCE YOU BORROW AND BONDED, I THINK YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT SEVEN YEARS. IT IS A SEVEN-YEAR ISSUE, NEXT YEAR WE CAN ALWAYS BORROW MORE OR WE MAY HAVE SO MUCH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE MAY ALSO HAVE THINGS LIKE EDC, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THE EDC AGREED TO BUILD THE ROAD. EDC HAS ITS OWN COMEDY OF MILLIONS. THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN ROAD BUT WE ARE FINDING THAT ROAD AND MAYBE THEY PASS BACK, WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT DONE. THAT'S ONLY A SUGGESTION.

NO KICKING THE CAN, NO FULLY FUNDING EVERYTHING STEPH SAYS TO DO. THE ONLY COMPLAINT I'VE EVER

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HAD AN IN PROJECT -- OUTSIDE OF THAT I JUST WANT TO BORROW THE

MONEY TODAY, THAT'S ALL. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT RANDALL SUGGESTED BECAUSE THE COST ISSUE DEBT, CLICK CLOSE THE DEBT, THE DEBT SERVICE, WE DO KNOW INTEREST RATES WILL BE, BUT USUALLY, WHENEVER YOU GO TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU DON'T JUST TAKE OUT 50,000 AT A TIME.

THE HOUSE YOU WANT TO BUILD, MOST PEOPLE YOU GO FOR A CONSTRUCTION LOAN WITH THE TOTAL COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

YOU DON'T GO FOR A LOAN -- ALL AT A BATHROOM, THIS, YOU DO NOT NEED A HOUSE IN PIECES. TYPICALLY DO THE WHOLE CONSTRUCTION LOAN FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NECESSARILY KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. UNDER THERE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WAY, CAN WE ISSUE DEBT, CAN WE NOT ISSUE DEBT? IS NOT THIS IS SO THAT WE BEEN TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF BLOCKS IN THE WAY THAT WE WILL BE WANTED TO GET THE PROJECT STUMBLED CAN PHYSICALLY AFFORD TO DO DESIGN. I MEAN TWO YEARS AGO WE ARE LAYING OFF FORTYSOMETHING STAFF MEMBERS.

THE MONEY WASN'T THERE, ONE ISSUE IS THERE WE HAVEN'T REALLY WANTED TO DO THE PROJECT THE PROJECT IS FOR FULL STEAM AHEAD. NOW THAT WE ARE IN MUCH BETTER FOOTING AND GROUNDING, ALL THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE A FEELING WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER SUCCESS RATE.

FOR ALL OF US UP HERE FEEL MORE IMPORTANT, ALL OF US LIKE WE ARE GETTING UPDATES THAT WE BEEN ASKING FOR SO I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BE COME ON WITH THE PAST TO HAUNT US AND BE AFRAID TO PULL THE TRIGGER. WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND, WE'VE LOST OVER THREE YEARS OF IMPROVEMENTS BUT COUNSEL KEPT APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS. WE ARE, IT IS IN DIRE STRAITS AND EVERY SINGLE STAFF MEMBER THAT'S COME UP TO TALK TO US HAS TOLD US THAT. WHETHER IT IS ROADS, WATER, WE PASSED ALL THE TRIGGERS FOR WASTEWATER.

I MEAN, I JUST DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE REALLY UP HERE, REALLY ARGUING ABOUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT. >> I WAS JUST REMINDED THAT IF WE DESIGN THE PROJECT AND IT IS COMPLETE IN FEBRUARY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING AFTER THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY.

HE HAD TO WAIT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE CANNOT FUND THE PROJECT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.E CAN COMPLETE THE DESIGN THAT HAVE TO SIT ON IT A WHILE.

>> FASTEST DESIGN EVER SEEN DENNIS SIX MONTHS.

>> BUT I DON'T WANT TO PLAN A FAILURE.

>> IS LIKE BEFORE WADE GOT HERE A CITY ENGINEER SAID WE GOING TO KNOCK OUT THE IMPROVEMENT.

LIKE FEBRUARY OR MARCH WILL BE DONE BY THE SCHOOL YEAR AND I SAID THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET THAT DONE.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONE IS SIX MONTHS AND HE ASSURED US, THIS IS TWO YEARS AGO, AND I KNOW UNTIL EITHER CERTAIN THINGS TO BUILD A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS FIVE MONTHS.

THE DESIGNING OF IT IS ALMOST AS MUCH AND THUS FOR THE ONE THAT THEY DO REGULARLY. THESE ARE A LOT MORE COMPLEX WE HAVE TO DO DRAINAGE STUDIES AND RIGHT-OF-WAY, UTILITY RELOCATIONS. I'M SAYING IF YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY 40 MILLION, AND WE COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW WHAT WILL WE DO IF WE ARE STILL DESIGNING THE PROJECT? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU GUYS DID 40 MILLION SO WHY IS THIS ROAD NOT DONE YET? KNOWLES AND 65, THAT THE PUT THE FOOTINGS IN THREE MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF LIGHT BULBS. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, IT ISN'T AS EASY AS HITTING THE EASY BUTTON AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S THREE MONTHS THESE PROJECTS ARE INTENSE.

AND IT IS A COUNCIL DECISION, ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAYING.

IT IS WAY PAST DUE. I AM JUST ASKING WE HAD A COUPLE OF PROJECTS. AT SOME POINT WE COMPARE TIMES WHAT WE WANT IN CASE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS NOT ABLE HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEED WE CAN SELL BONDS.

WE JUST WE HAVE A GOOD PATH TOWARD IT.

OWN DOING IS TEMPERING PEOPLES EXPECTATIONS.

YOU CAN ALWAYS OVERDELIVER. BUT IF YOU PROMISE US WHAT HAPPENED WITH LIVE OAK RIGHT? WE PROMISED SOMETHING, THEM WE

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HAD TO COME BACK AND SAY WE CAN'T DO IT QUITE YET.

THAT IS IT FAIR TO THOSE PEOPLE.

>> WE NEVER LET THE CITY MANAGER SAY HIS PIECE.

>> MAYOR, COUNCIL, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANT TO ADDRESS RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.

THE FIRST IS ADDED TO OR SUBTRACTED FROM THE CIP.

YOU AS A BODY, HAVE A WATER, WASTEWATER AND MASTER PLANS I HAVE BEEN BEING PROVIDED AND PUT TOGETHER YET TO BE FINALIZED AND PRESENTED. YOUR CIP THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR ROADS, WATER, WASTEWATER TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, ONE OF THOSE FINAL PRESENTATIONS ARE MADE. THIS WAS THEIR BEST GUESS OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE CRITICAL, AS FAR AS ANNISTON BUT HAVE NOT BEEN VETTED OR GIVEN DIRECTION BY THE COUNCIL AS TO WHICH ONES WE MIGHT WANT TO PRIORITIZE AFTER HAVING RECEIVED ALL OF THE DATA. THAT IS THE FIRST THING TO KEEP IN MIND CONTEXTUALLY. THE SECOND THING TO KEEP IN MIND CONTEXTUALLY IS THE WAY THAT THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT I AM ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IS THE CITY MANAGER MADE A PRESENTATION WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET WAS FROM STAFF WHICH INCLUDED EXPENDITURES FOR CIP AND POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUANCE.

THEN THE COUNCIL IN PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT, AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK OR TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO AND FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND PROPOSED CIP LIST.

HOWEVER, THE POINT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN MAKING IS THAT THAT IS A CORPORATE DECISION WHICH IS TRUE, THE WAY I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN THE PAST. EACH ADDITION OR SUBTRACTION IS TYPICALLY DO MY COUNCIL ACTION TO DIRECT STAFF SO WE KNOW TO REMOVE THINGS FROM OR ADD THINGS TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET BEFORE WE GET TO FINAL ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET.

SO, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT I KEEP HEARING BEING SPOKEN ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I DO BELIEVE COUNCIL AND STAFF NEED TO DO TOGETHER. THERE WILL BE SOMETHING I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE DONE SOMETIME IN THE FALL OR EARLY SPRING.

THAT WAY IT COULD LEAD INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE.

WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AS FAR AS I KNOW, A GRANULAR LEVEL STRATEGIC PLAN, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL AND STAFF HAVE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO PRIORITIZE AND SAY, THIS IS A LIST OF THINGS.

WHENEVER YOU DO A BOND SUCH AS THIS THAT IS FOR TRANSPORTATION, WHICH ONLY HAVE A LIST AND WE CERTAINLY WILL PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE ITEMS ARE AVAILABLE TO GO.

WHAT I WOULD END UP DOING IF I WERE GIVING, HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION, IF THERE ARE DOLLARS AVAILABLE AND THE PROJECT, I.E.

POTENTIALLY THE EDC OR DEVELOPER MIGHT END UP PICKING UP WOULD COME OFF THE TABLE. THAT WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE ANOTHER CIP THAT WAS DOWN THE LINE, UP AND TO GET THAT WERE KICKED OFF AND STARTED IN ITS PLACE.

THAT IS HOW THE CIP PROCESS WORKS EFFECTIVELY ONCE YOU GET INTO THE HIERARCHY OF WHAT GOES WELL.

THERE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THAT. YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT PROJECT THAT YOU COULD FUND WITH WHATEVER DOLLARS MIGHT BE FREED UP. COUNCIL TONIGHT, ONLY HAS TO DECIDE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AND BELIEVE ON TWO THINGS EFFECTIVELY. ONE IS TO PUBLICLY STATE WHAT THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE IS THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE CONSIDERING BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT FINALLY ADOPT THAT UNTIL THE NEXT PHASE WHICH WILL, WHICH IS THE OTHER THING OR THERE ARE THREE THINGS YET TO DECIDE. WHICH PROCESS WE ARE GOING TO CHOOSE TO FOLLOW AND I MAY PIVOT TO DADDY ON THAT TO LET HER DISCUSS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STATE LAW REQUIRES FOR ADOPTION AND WITH THE CITY CHARTER REQUIRES FOR ADOPTION. THAT IS A DECISION THE COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE TODAY. THE LAST THING THE COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, IS THE AMOUNT OF THE GEO BONDS BECAUSE TONIGHT IS LAST NIGHT I'M AWARE OF I BELIEVE I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT EVERYONE SHAKING THEIR HEADS, THIS IS THE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO SET IT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS WITH THE TAX RATE CALCULATION IS THAT THE COUNCIL THEN HAS TO ADOPT NEXT MEETING.

TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOU A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT COST OF SCENARIOS, COUNCIL HAVE TO PICK A NUMBER THAT WILL GIVE DIRECTION TO THE BOND COUNSEL AND FA TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF GOING OUT TO SELL THE BONDS. BECAUSE THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE VOTERS TO THE 2018 VOTER REFERENDUM.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'M AWARE OF THAT COUNSEL HAS TO DECIDE TONIGHT AND THEN ANY ADDITIONS AND SUBTRACTIONS TO THE BUDGET

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THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED THAT ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE BOND ISSUANCE DOLLAR AMOUNT. IF YOU HAVE ASKED FOR AN ITEM, PRODUCE DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH THE COST PROPOSAL WHATEVER THE ITEM IS AND THEN THAT WAY AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, YOU WILL SEE EACH ITEM THAT YOU REQUESTED THE ASSOCIATE EXPECTED DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT IT WILL COST TO DO SO, THEN YOU CAN DECIDE FROM THERE WHETHER YOU NOT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE APPROVED BUDGET AND REDUCE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES POOL TO FUND THE CERTAIN THINGS OR IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO INCLUDE THE MORE YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES.

>> MAXIMUM TAX RATE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STATE AND CHART A PATH ON ADOPTION.

AND THEN, WE CAN ALSO HAVE A FOURTH ITEM.

THE PROJECTS WE WILL FIRST HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ESTIMATED COSTS WE CAN LOOK AT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING PROGRESSES SPECIFIC DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE ON THE TAX RATE AND THE PATH FORWARD OR IN THE RESOLUTIONS.

THE ONLY THING THAT YOU NEED TO BE CONSIDERING ON THIS 10.3 OR 10.4 OUR ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE TO THE BUDGET FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH DOLLARS AMOUNT FOR. AND THEN TO DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE

RESOLUTION. >> HERE'S WHAT I JUST LEARNED.

WE NEED TO LET YOU SPEAK FIRST. BECAUSE WE CAN SAY 20 OR 25 MINUTES OF BACK-AND-FORTH. [LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD! THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, SPEAK.> THANK YOU, MAYOR

PRO TEM. >> I HAVE A FEW ITEMS FOR ONE, COME BACK TO SOMETHING FROM 20 MINUTES WE MENTIONED ENGINEERING SERVICES. WE HAVE TROUBLE STEPPING INTERNALLY GETTING WORK DONE AND END UP GOING TOTALLY CONSULTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO GET WORK DONE AS FAR AS WORK GOES, I THINK THIS MEETS WITH THE MAYOR IS LOOKING FOR, JUST TO FIGURE WHAT THE LONG-TERM STRATEGY IS.

WITH RELATION TO ENGINEERING SERVICES.

HOW DO WE TRY TO MOVE SOME OR ALL OF IT IN-HOUSE.

IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL IN HOUSE WITH THE CITY THE SIZE WITH DIFFERENT PROJECTS THERE ARE A LOT OF SPECIALIZED THINGS BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF HOW TO GET THE COST UNDER CONTROL LONGER-TERM AND WITH THE ENGINEERING JOB MARKET THE WAY IT IS. AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY BUT WE CAN HAVE A PLAN OF HOW WE WILL GET THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE MORE UNDER CONTROL.

>> YES SIR. >> AS FAR AS THE COST OF THE DEBT I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THE COST OF DEBT ISSUANCE IS SOMEWHAT UNRELATED TO THE AMOUNT OF DEBT. BECAUSE ASSORTED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT ARE THE SAME WHETHER IT'S 10, 20 OR 30 MILLION. I THINK A LOT OF IT IS SOMEWHAT

INDEPENDENT OF THE SIZE. >> WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THAT IS AND THEN, HAVE THAT IS SOMETHING IN MIND FOR WHAT IT WILL COST TO DO A DEBT ISSUANCE THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN, THE DIFFERENCE IN DEBT SERVICE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR A LARGER AMOUNT OF DEBT THIS YEAR, WHICH IF WE HAVE A SMALLER AMOUNT AND SAVE THAT AND SEE HOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. IF WE ARE SAYING EVERYTHING IN MAY THIS YEAR AND 2 MILLION NEXT YEAR, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE CAN AT LEAST GET A BALLPARK ON THAT TONIGHT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER, I THINK WE CAN CALL UP A CONSULTANT TO ADVISE YOU ON THAT. SPECIFICALLY.

>> JIM CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT, THAT I DO FEEL WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS WHAT IT DOES TO THE TAX RATE. IF YOU LOWER THE INS PIECE THIS YEAR, YOU ENSURE THE GREATEST ISSUE 10 MILLION AND NOW THE DEBT PIECE IS $0.11 PER NEXT YEAR YOU WANT TO ISSUE MORE DEBT AND NOW THE DEBT PIECES $0.15.

YOU HAVE TO GO UP ON THE TAX RATE.

REMEMBER THE VOTER APPROVAL, THEY ARE SEPARATE SO LOOK AT THE MNO PIECE BUT THEN WHATEVER WE NEED FOR THE DEBT, THAT'S WHAT IT WILL BE. IF IT'S $0.10 OR $0.12, $0.15, THAT WILL GET ADDED IMPUTED THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IN ORDER TO FUND THAT WERE IN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU WILL BE LOWERING YOUR REVENUE AVAILABLE TO DO A $2 MILLION WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY PUT AN END TO THE GENERAL FUND AND MAKE IT GO AWAY IF YOU HAVE THE TAKE THAT BACK. BECAUSE YOUR DEBT RATE DOES GO UP. BALANCING THAT IS RELATIVE TO

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SOME OF THIS. I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN

MIND. >> HASN'T HAPPEN IF THIS GOES NEXT YEAR AND WE TAKE ON ADDITIONAL SAFETY 10 MILLION THIS YEAR AND THE RATE GOES UP A NICKEL.

IF WE DID 20 MILLION WILL GO UP $0.10.

A NICKEL THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR THE CITY GROWS.

AND WE TAKE ON 10 MILLION. NO GUARANTEE IT WOULD GO UP ANOTHER NICKEL IN MICHAEL 4 1/2 CENTS OR FOUR CENTS WHEREAS WE GO UP $0.10. SOUND LIKE IF YOU BOARD MORE MONEY TO YOUR GUARANTEE YOU WON'T HAVE AN INCREASING RATE

NEXT YEAR. >> BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE

ISSUING MORE DEBT NEXT YEAR. >> DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT YOU BAR THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR IF YOU DEBT SERVICE DIVIDED BY YOUR -- AND THE PEOPLE SO IS JUST A FUNCTION OF NUMBERS.

>> MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I CAN ADD TO THINK ADDITIONAL TO THE CONVERSATION IS THE REASON THAT I BELIEVE ANGIE IS SAYING WE CAN GUARANTEE IT WOULD BE THERE, IS BECAUSE OF ALREADY CONQUERED HOW MUCH DEBT YOU CAN GET TO KEEP THE TAX RATE EXACTLY THE SAME WITH THE DATA THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NEXT YEAR THEY DON'T KNOW. IF WE DON'T DO THE $0.15 THIS YEAR WE DO SOMETHING LESS. WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO NEXT WITH ALL THE VARIABLES YOU JUST MENTIONED, COULD RESULT IN A NUMBER THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE HIGHER THAN 15.

>> IF WE DO IT ALL TODAY IT COULD GO UP NEXT ARE ALSO.

>> IF THE AV SHRINKS. >> RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A

MATH PROBLEM. >> OR PEOPLE DECIDE LET'S GO

ANOTHER $4 MILLION. >> RIGHT.

>> ISSUANCE COST. >> GENERAL BALLPARK, FIXED COMPONENT OF ISSUANCE AND DECLINED SKILL IS LARGER BUT IN GENERAL ISSUANCE COST NOT REALLY A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT.

I DID SOME QUICK MATH AND I $43 MILLION, IT CALLS FOR PROFESSIONALS ABOUT 1.5 PERCENT AND AS THE BOND MARKET, BOND SIZE WAS DOWN, IT MIGHT INCREASE TO TWO PERCENT OF THAT. IT IS A MINOR COMPONENT ESPECIALLY YOU CAN BORROW -- MY EXPERIENCE, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA, MORE IMPORTANT, TO OTHER ISSUES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF PROJECTS, WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MY BIT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT TO GET A FIXED COST AND TAKE TWO YEARS TO SPEND IT.

I THINK THE FOLLOW-UP ON THE IDEA WHAT CAN YOU FUND, YOU ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, -- SOME PROJECTS IT MIGHT SCOPE OVER ONE YEAR BUT THE BID WOULD BE PRICE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL NOT TO LOOK AT JUST HOW MONEY SPENT BUT HOW THE BIDS ARE DONE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND WHEN YOU BID A PROJECT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD $500,000 HOME, YOU WANT TO BID OUT GET THE FIXED COST AND MOVE FORWARD.

I THINK THE ADDITIONAL ASPECT, I WILL SAY WHEN IT COMES TO INTEREST RATES, GENERALLY HAVE A BELIEF THAT IN MY CAREER, WE DON'T ISSUE DEBT BECAUSE OF INDUSTRIES WE TAKE INTEREST RATES INTO CONSIDERATION. I WILL SAY EARLY THIS YEAR THERE'S A BIG MOVE TO TRY TO PUSH PEOPLE TO RECOMMEND IF THEY DO SOMETHING, THEY HAVE A PLAN.

IT WAS BETTER TO DO EARLY BECAUSE YOU SAW INDICATION RATES WERE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I NEVER BELIEVE YOU SHOULD ISSUE DEBT -- AND LAST THING TO TALK ABOUT AND WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A DIRECT ISSUE BEING DISCUSSED PRIOR TO WHEN IT CAME TO THE PODIUM.

WE MANAGED TAX RATE MANAGEMENT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND ALL COMMUNITIES BECAUSE MY BELIEF IS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONSISTENT PHILOSOPHY AND STRATEGY FOR TAX RATE NOT TO GO DOWN AND GO UP. -- BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. WHETHER YOU ISSUE 40 MILLION OR 30 MILLION, OR 50 MILLION AS INDICATED, WHAT WE COULD DO IS,

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AND IS VERY COMMON. WE WOULD FRONTLOAD PRINCIPAL TO HIT A TARGET TAX RATE. THE THOUGHT IS THAT OUR HIGHEST TAX RATE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL WILL FUND THE CAPITOL PROGRAM OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. TRY TO THINK THROUGH A CONSISTENT PHILOSOPHY BOTH ON A MULTI-PROGRAM ON A RATE THAT IS CONSISTENT AND NOT TO LET IT GO DOWN IF WE HAVEN'T FUNDED ALL THE PROJECTS AND A BIG ARETHA DOESN'T HAVE TO GO UP, I GOT EXPONENTIALLY GROWING COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE EXPLODED AND THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO NEW CITY HALL OR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. MAYBE 20 OR $30 MILLION, THEY HAVE NOT GOT READY, -- WE'VE DONE SOME SHORT-TERM NOTES TO FUND LONG-TERM PROJECTS. TO GET THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR TAX RATE. WHEN YOU COME BACK AND FUND THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM RATES ARE RESET TO GIVE YOU CAPACITY. OR IN THE ANALYSIS OF THINK EVENTUALLY, REFER TO YOUR COMMUNITY WE HAVE SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GROWN A LITTLE EARLIER IN THE CYCLE AND YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OVER FIVE YEARS.MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT 15.6 PERCENT TAX RATE AND BRING IT DOWN TO 12. BUT TO DO IT IN A STRUCTURED WAY YEAR BY YEAR, BRING IT DOWN BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE MAINTAIN ABILITY TO ISSUE AND FUND THE PROJECT.

WE ARE IN THE THIRD YEAR RIGHT NOW IN A PERIOD OF TIME WILL FUND THE PROJECTS AND WE BRING A TAX WRITE DOWN AND AMOUNTS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND SO THE POINT I'M SAYING IS THAT BESIDES ACTUALLY, I DON'T YOU THINK YOU PICK A DOLLAR AMOUNT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DRIVE IT DOWN TO JUST ADJUST THE PRINCIPAL TO COME TO A TARGET RATE BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THE TAX RATE DOWN, WHAT WE WANTED TO BE, TWO THINGS HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. YOU LIMIT THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN FUND. OR YOU HAVE TO GO UP IN THE TAX RATE. -- THE TAX RATE WENT FROM 18 TO 12 TO SEVEN CENTS. EVERY YEAR I GET A CALL FROM SENIOR STAFF SAYING HOW MUCH THE DEBT CAPACITY BASED ON VALUE. AND I WILL SHOW THEM THEY GREW 20 PERCENT THE CAPACITY WENT UP 15 PERCENT AND ASKED ME WHY.

THE RATE WENT DOWN. TO ME, WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY CAN MAKE A PROGRAM WORK WITHIN REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS WITH YOUR GOAL AND YOUR TAX RATE.

AND WE PROVIDE THE INFORMATION BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE

STAFF. >> QUESTIONS? NO OBJECTIONS, CAN WE HEAR FROM DOTTIE ON THE ADOPTION OF THE RATE? AND THEN WE CAN --

>> THAT THEY LATER AGENDA ITEM.

>> WHEN WE GET TO THE RESOLUTION I HAVE THE INFORMATION. [INAUDIBLE]

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON DOING THE 44 MILLION NOW WERE BREAKING IT UP INTO PIECES? HOW WOULD, -- HAVE YOU SEEN IT DONE THAT BEFORE? IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE RIGHT WAY TO APPROACH THIS

WOULD BE? >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I'VE SEEN IT IN MULTIPLE WAYS. I'VE SEEN EFFECTIVELY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE IS THE VOTERS TO AUTHORIZE A SET AMOUNT AND THEN FOR CHARGES OF BONDS TO BE DONE AS THE INS RATE IS ABLE TO ABSORB IT, AND THE PROJECTS ABLE TO BE ABLE TO ROLL THAT.

AN EXAMPLE OF A ROAD PROJECT WITH FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN

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ROADS, COUNSEL WANTED TO TAKE A POSITION WHERE THE IMPACT TO THE INS TAX RATE WOULD BE MINIMIZED, THEY DECIDE TO SPREAD THE NUMBER OF ROAD PROJECTS OUT OVER TIME.

INSTEAD OF DOING ALL FIVE, SIX OR SEVEN IN THE BEGINNING AND FRONT LOADING AND ISSUING ALL THE DEBT, THEY DID ONE ROAD AND THEN WAITED A YEAR AND THAT KICKED OFF ANOTHER ONE, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT IS A STRATEGY.

ANOTHER STRATEGY HAS BEEN JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THAT WHICH IS WHERE YOU SAY WE WILL ISSUE ALL OF THE DEBT, KING OF ALL THE PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME. AND THEN IN THAT CASE YOU TAKE ALL THE MONEY DOWN, YOU DO THE ISSUANCE, MAINTAIN YOUR INS RATE AND BEGIN ALL THE PROJECTS.

SO I WOULD SAY, ALL THE STRATEGIES ON THE TABLE ARE POSSIBLE. IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE BODY DECIDING TIMING OF PROJECTS AND OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN THE INS RATE AND IMPLICATION OF THOSE VARIOUS DIFFERENT DECISIONS WHETHER YOU ARE FOR ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR THE OTHER. BECAUSE EACH OF THEM HAVE THEIR MERITS. IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF THE POLITIC BODY AND GUESS WHERE YOU BELIEVE THE BEST PATH FORWARD IS AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, THE STRATEGIC PLAN NOT BEING CURRENTLY IN PLACE, IS A SIGNIFICANT HINDRANCE.

FOR MY ABILITY TO ADVISE YOU WHICH IS MY ROLE.

MY ABILITY TO ADVISE YOU IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED BECAUSE IT WAS THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEN TO THE COMPANY ALSO PLANS BEING DONE, THE MASTER PLANS ARE BEING DONE ARE YET TO BE DELIVERED. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO TELL YOU WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU ASKED MY RECOMMENDATION WHAT I WILL SAY IS THIS.'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PRESSURE PUT ON TO COMMUNITIES UNDER HIGH-GROWTH AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE HAVE 15 MILLION, 30 MILLION OR 42 MILLION, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL THIS COMMUNITY, THE PROJECTS ARE THERE. IT'S A MATTER WHETHER WE WILL DO THEM IN COMPONENTS OR WHETHER WE WILL HAVE THINGS ALL MOVING AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS, OR IF WE WILL TRY TO SPREAD THINGS OUT YOU KNOW, AS THEY CAN KICK OFF.

TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, NOT ALL THE DOLLARS COULD BE SPENT IN YEAR ONE.

I DON'T DISAGREE WET NOT ALL DOGS CAN BE SPENT IN YOUR ONE BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT COULD KICK OFF AND GET MOSTLY DONE IN A YEAR, YOU STILL WANT SPEND ALL THE DOLLARS, TRADITIONALLY, I MORE CONSERVATIVE IN THE SENSE THAT IF I GO OUT AND DO A CONTRACT, THEN I HAVE THE DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THE CONTRACT IN HAND RATHER THAN A PORTION I WILL EXPECT TO FUND FROM THIS YEAR AND THEN ANOTHER PORTION FROM THE FOLLOWING YEAR. BUT THAT ALSO CAN BE DONE SO IT REALLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY AND --

>> YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

SOMETHING YOU AND I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY WHERE IF YOU'VE GOT A COMPANY THAT WANTS TO DO A PROJECT AND GETTING IT FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT IF THEY ARE NOT SECURE THAT THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THE PROJECT FULLY FUNDED, THAT MAY CAUSE SOME HESITATION ON THEIR PART BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO COST 20 MILLION AND WE BONDED OUT TURN MILLION OF IT, YOU KNOW WILL COST 20 MILLION BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE WILL BOND A ANOTHER 10 MILLION, SOME ISSUES WITH BIDDING PROCESS IN SECURING PEOPLE FOR

THESE PROJECTS. >> MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE TO MAKE SURE I GET THAT TITLE RIGHT. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR CITIES TO DIVIDE THE BUDGETED DOLLARS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS BECAUSE PROJECTS EXTEND OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.

BUT YES, IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT YOU'RE PARTIALLY FUNDING AND THERE IS NO BOND FUNDS HAVE TO BE FULLY BUDGETED FOR.

IN THE PARTICULAR CASE. IF EVERY PROJECT NOT NECESSARILY BEING FUNDED BY THE BOND BY THE ION ASIDE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, YOU CAN SPLIT THAT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS BUT I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL QUITE AWARE THAT EACH YEAR IS SUBJECT TO APPROPRIATIONS. IF THERE IS A CONTRACT IN PLACE, THOSE FOLKS WOULD EXPECT TO BE PAID AND THE COUNCIL, IS PROBABLY MORE A LEGAL QUESTION BUT IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO NOT APPROPRIATE IT WOULD BE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES TO THE CONTRACTOR. IF I'M A CONTRACTOR OR BE MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT MY PROJECT IS FULLY FUNDED IS WHAT

I WOULD ASSUME. >> NO MATTER WHAT COUNSEL DECIDES ON THE BOND, YOU WILL NEED TO FUND 100 PERCENT OF THE 1660 PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THAT PROPOSITION AND WE DO HAVE TO FUND THOSE COMPLETELY BEFORE WE

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FUND OTHER PROJECTS. >> WAS THE TOTAL?

>> ABOUT 11. LOOKS 11 1/2.

>> WE KNOW FOR A FACT, 11 1/2 HAS TO GET FUNDED AND THEN TO DO THE OTHER PROJECTS, THIS IS THE EXHAUSTIVE LIST.

THIS IS JUST THE ESSENTIAL STUFF.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY AM LIKE LET'S GO WITH THE 40 MILLION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT COVERS THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF THE ESSENTIAL PROJECTS WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST THAT WILL BE COMING. WE JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT TO HAVE THEM DO LASER THINGS OVER ALL THE STREETS IN THE CITY.

HOSE WILL COME BACK WITH OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY MAY BE JUST AS CRITICAL THAT HAVE TO GET ADDED. AT LEAST FOR TONIGHT, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO ADOPT THE FURTHEST ONE DOWN AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK FURTHER UP WITH A LARGER DISCUSSION WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BUT TO HANDCUFF YOURSELF TONIGHT BEFORE WE CAN EVEN GET TO THE ADOPTED RATE LATER, I THINK

WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED. >> AND PARTICULARLY ON THOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH TXDOT, THEY BEEN VERY CLEAR, DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE PROJECT.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD A CLARIFICATION THAT IS CONTRACTUAL AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

SO THAT YOU HAVE THE FUNDS IN HAND BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BID.

BEFORE THEY WILL ACTUALLY PUT IN MOTION TO BID.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. QUESTION OR TWO OF THE PROJECTS FORWARD WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY ISSUE AT LEAST -- OR TXDOT IS

GOING TO NOT LETTUCE. >> FOR THE CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS BECAUSE THESE ARE PRODUCTS OF A PARTNER WITH TXDOT THAT WILL BE LOCALLY LED AND THEREFORE WE HAVE THE DOLLARS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

NOT EVERY PROJECT THAT YOU DO HAS THE OTHER THINGS I DESCRIBE TO APPLY TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT AREN'T TXDOT AGREEMENTS.

>> A KIND OF CONCEPT I WAS TALKING TO THINK BACK WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS HERE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY WERE DELAYING SO LONG IS BECAUSE WE HADN'T COMMITTED TO DO WORK INTO THEIR BASICALLY SAYING, WE WILL DO IF YOU'RE GOING TO -- THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR US BECAUSE -- THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY BECAUSE WE WERE WILLING TO COMMIT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WERE WILLING TO DO AND CORRECT ME FROM WRONG BUT WE HAVE TO SIGN A FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT ON THE PROJECTS IT SAYS -- AS PART OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> CORRECT. AS YOU MAY RECALL WE ARE WAITING ON THE FINAL DOCUMENT FOR THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT, THEY WERE AGREEMENTS ONE IS FOR THE -- AND.

[INAUDIBLE] AS PART OF THAT, AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS A FUNDING SCHEDULE THAT SHOWS WHO IS PAYING FOR WHAT AND IN THESE CASES, THIS IS A 100 PERCENT FUNDED.

PART OF THE AGREEMENT SPELLS OUT WHO PAYS FOR WHAT.

IF THIS WAS A, THERE WAS OF THE DOLLARS INVOLVED AND WE HAD A PORTION OF THE PROJECT, AND TXDOT WAS GOING TO LET THE PROJECT ON OUR BEHALF WE WOULD WRITE THEM A CHECK UP FRONT FOR OUR PART. IN THIS CASE, THE AGREEMENT IS SET UP TO WHERE WE WOULD LET THE PROJECT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WITH CORPORATION WITH TXDOT AND MANAGE THE PROJECT OURSELVES. WE ARE NOT WRITING THEM A CHECK. WE NEED TO HAVE FUNDS ON HAND.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.

>> 1660 S. AND 79. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT IS TO FINISH DESIGN THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

>> YES. >> WE FINISH THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. CONCEIVABLY, THAT $3 MILLION PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY KEEP BUDGETED NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT

WOULD BE READY. >> THE DESIGN WON'T START

UNLESS YOU HAVE -- >> THAT'S TRUE.

>> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE SINCE IT IS HUTTO FUNDED ON THE DESIGN, THEY WON'T ALLOW CONSTRUCTION.

>> WITHOUT SIGNING THE AGREEMENT, WE COULDN'T SIGN --

>> I THINK ON THIS PROJECT IS MORE THAT IT WAS ON THE BALLOT.

AND SO, WE HAVE TO FIND THE ONES ON THE BALLOT BEFORE FUNDING THE OTHER PROJECTS. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER TXDOT REQUIRES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL REQUIRES THAT WE FULLY FUND

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THESE THE CITY PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED WERE FUNDED AND THEN

USE THE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS. >> AND THEN BOND COUNSEL ADVISORY YOU GO AHEAD AND ISSUE, FUND THAT PUT THE MONEY TO THE SIDE SO THAT WE CAN SAY WE PAID YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND RESPOND AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE OTHERS TO WHERE THE ISSUES WE'VE ALREADY HAD.

>> I KEEP SAYING THAT I'M DONE, I APOLOGIZE.

IT DAWNED ON ME IN THE MUSTANG HAD TO FOLLOW THE CHARTER.

THE CHARTER SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 20 PERCENT RESERVE.

WHILE WE DID RUN OUT OF MONEY TWO YEARS AGO, THE CITY MANAGER THAT WERE AT 65 PERCENT OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AND REALLY WERE 65 PERCENT, INSTEAD OF 20 WE ARE ALMOST THREE AND HALF TIMES. WE HAVE LIKE 7.8 MILLION OR

SOMETHING ABOVE AND BEYOND. >> I THINK IT IS 10.

IT SAYS 10 PERCENT CONTINGENCY FUND IN THE CHARTER.

>> THE FISCAL BUDGET POLICY SAYS 20.

>> SEVEN OR 8 MILLION ABOVE. GOT WHERE HISTORICALLY WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING, YOU ARE THE BUDGET OF 20 PERCENT THEN ONE YEAR WE DROP DOWN TO ZERO TIME WE BUILT IT BACK TO 65 PERCENT SO THERE'S ALSO THIS GIANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THE CITY MANAGER DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT IF YOU ISSUED DEBT AND RUN IT DOWN TO 20 PERCENT -- I THINK ON THE FLIPSIDE, IF YOU IN ISSUE A BUNCH OF DEBT CAN USE OF THE BANK ACCOUNT AND SOME OF THE DEBT AND SLOWLY BRING ONE DOWN AND NOT ISSUE AS

MUCH. >> THAT'S RIGHT THINK YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE LIVE OAK PROJECT. DO USE THE FUND BALANCE THERE FOR THAT VERSUS PUTTING IT BACK INTO, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE WHERE YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND REMEMBER, THAT YOUR COST WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP.

MOST LIKELY YEAR-OVER-YEAR BECAUSE THE BIGGEST COST IS PERSONNEL. IF YOU CONTINUE TO ADD PEOPLE AND DO THAT, THE 20 PERCENT NUMBER GETS BIGGER EVERY YEAR.

YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN ALL THE WAY HERE THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NEXT YEAR WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXTRA MONEY THAT'S FALLING TO THE BOTTOM LINE AND NOW YOU ARE BACK UNDER THAT.

THERE IS LITTLE QUESTION YOU PROBABLY WANT TO KEEP IN THERE BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

>> MAYOR AND TRANSFER THE LISTING WOULD ADD TO THAT IS CASH FLOWS FOR CITY ARE EXTREMELY APPOINTMENT.

HAVING HEALTHY FUND BALANCE IS MORE IMPORTANT, THERE'S MORE IMPORTANCE TO THE HEALTHY FUND BALANCE MORE THAN JUST WHAT IT MIGHT DO FOR YOUR BOND RATINGS WERE YOU'RE FEELING THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE IN THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES THAT YOU HAVE.

BECAUSE MOST CITIES RECEIVE THE BULK OF THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AT ONE POINT IN TIME OF THE YEAR, THAT THE CASH FLOW IN THE MIRROR EXPENDING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS ALL YEAR LONG OFF OF THAT MONEY. SO, YOU WANT TO HAVE A HEALTHY, AND ANOTHER 65 PERCENT OF THE NUMBER.

BUT YOU DO WHATEVER HEALTHY FUND BALANCE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF CASH FLOW. SALES TAX DOES COME IN REGULARLY AND FEES DO COME IN REGULARLY WITH THE PROPERTY TAX IS A ONE TIME OF THE YEAR SO AT MANY TIMES IF YOU DRAW DOWN YOUR RESERVES TOO LOW, YOU COULD ACTUALLY BE DIPPING INTO RESERVES TO GET THROUGH TO THE NEXT CASH INFLUX.

>> CAN I REQUEST A 10 MINUTE RECESS? WE HAD JUST BEEN GIVEN A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR TAX RATE, FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR PROCESS, THE AMOUNT OF GEO BONDS, CAN I JUST ASK FOR A 10

MINUTE BREAK TO PROCESS? >> WE WILL RECESS AT 9:13 PM

AND COME BACK IN >> ALL RIGHT. 9:33 PM, BACK FROM RECESS.

IF WE CAN BACK UP, IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON 10.3 FISCAL YEAR 2023 BUDGET? IF NOT, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE BACK TO 10.4, DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION 2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. I THINK PUT WHAT WE WANT STAFF

TO BRING BACK. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THE

MAX-8 UNDER 10.3. >> THAT'S A RESOLUTION.

>> THAT'S JUST PRESENTATION. 10.4 TALKED ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER, ASKING STAFF TO BRING BACK COMMON ACTUALLY PUT THEM ON. TO COME BACK FOR THE CAP PLAN.

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THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD THEN ADOPT WHAT WE WANT ON THE PLAN.

WE DISCUSSED PROJECTS. >> YOU HAVE TO PROVE NOT TO

EXCEED AMOUNT. >> ARE WE JUST GOING TO THROW OUT THE IDEAS TONIGHT? AND THEN TAKE THE ACTUAL VOTE

TO PUT THEM ON A LATER DATE. >> YES.

>>. >> TEMPLATE FOR DISCUSS ACTION 2023 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE'RE NOT TALKING TAX RATE JUST THE CAP PLAN. IT SOUNDED LIKE FOR THE CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDATION, NOT TO NECESSARILY PUT THINGS ON THE CAP PLAN, JUST TO SAY, CONSUMERS GIVEN THE ESTIMATE OF DRAINAGE. SO WE CAN COME BACK THE NEXT MEETING BASED ON THE INFORMATION, YAY OR NAY.

>> ALLEN THICKE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE TONIGHT WE WILL COMMIT TO A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT. THEN THE PROJECTS COULDN'T BE

TAKEN RATION. >> I WOULD DISAGREE OULD DISAGREE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PART HAS A PROJECTS IF YOU SET A NOT TO O EXCEED RATE USED ON UNTIL THE MANAGER WHAT PRODUCTS TO DO AND ORDER TO DO THEM IN. OU SAID HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO DO PROJECTS.E STARTED TO COME BACK TO SAY, WE WANT -- AND DO WE WANT LIVE OAK?

OR 199 NUMBER FOUR? >> I DO BELIEVE WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE PRIORITY LIST.

THAT STAFF HAS ALL PUT TOGETHER.

THOSE PROJECTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRIORITIZED.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE. >> SUDDENLY HE WAS TO DE-PRIORITIZE BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK VERSUS WHAT WE ASKED THE STAFF AND ENGINEERING SERVICES TO SAY WHAT WAS CRITICAL.

>> STAFF PRESENTED THEIR LIST, WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THAT.E HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IT. WE HAVE NOT SAID YES, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THE WAY THIS IS NOW, LIVE OAK IS GETTING. [INAUDIBLE] AND SO, THAT'S THE CASE I'M COMPLETELY FINE WE CAN KEEP GOING DOWN.

IF WE HAVE ADOPTED THIS YOU CANNOT GET DRAINAGE FOR LIVE OAK. THAT'S OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE

IT'S NOT WAS STAFF PRESENTED. >> IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP, BOTH SIDES ARE ACCURATE BUT I HAD TO SEPARATE THEM IN ORDER TO BUILD AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. IF YOU DECIDE TONIGHT, TO DIRECT HEAD 43 $44 MILLION BOND FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, A CERTAIN COMPONENT OF THAT WILL 100 PERCENT BE USED FOR THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE BOND AUTHORIZATION.

WHICH WORTHY -- 1660, 1660, 79 S. AND NORTH.

THOSE COMPONENTS ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE FUNDED AND PAID FOR.

THE PARTY WAS A STEP PRESENTED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THOSE ITEMS CAN BE MOVED AROUND, IF YOU HAVE ITEMS LIKE YOU HAVE TONIGHT MENTIONED A POTENTIAL ADDITION OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT, YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT INTO THE NEW FUNDING LIST. IT IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE ON BOTH SIDES THAT SAY THAT YOU BE SITTING IN DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU COULD HAVE THE CAP POTENTIALLY CHANGE WHAT YOU WILL FUND WITH THOSE DOLLARS EXCEPT THOSE WITH THE BOND

AUTHORIZATION. >> THE DECISIONS DON'T HAVE TO TAKE PLACE IN A PEER.> THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOES.

>> THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE BONDS, YES.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU'RE MOVING THE SIDEWALKS TO THE GENERAL FUND AND TAKING THEM OUT OF CIP?

THAT ONE, THANK YOU. >> THE ONES IN ORANGE.

RIGHT NOW LIVE OAK IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BOND AT ALL BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A PAVING, BUT WE HAD AND HE WAS JUST TO REPAVE NOT THE FULL PROJECT. I THINK YOU WOULD ALL AGREE THAT LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS SHOULD BE DONE -- IT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN THE 199 REPAIRS IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THOSE THREE ITEMS WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE $44 MILLION RIGHT NOW. THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

>> WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR NEXT MEETING IF I LOOK AT THE SOONER T1, T2 AND T3 HAVE TO BE 100 PERCENT FUNDED IN THIS YEAR'S BOND WHICH HE SAID WAS 11 MILLION.

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BUT NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IN THIS CHART FOR 2023.

YOU KNOW, LET'S ASSUME WE SAID, WE WILL PUT THE 40 MILLION, 44 MILLION OR WHATEVER TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WILL BE THE NEXT TIME. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WE HAVE TO DO THE 17.4. AND THEN, IF WE WANT TO DO LIVE OAK WAS PHASE 4 MILLION COMMENTS 4 MILLION IN 2023.

IN YOUR POINT HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN SPEND, THAT WOULD BE ONE WHERE YOU WOULD MOVE IT IN AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. IN 2023 AND IN 24 YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE GOT MORE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE OR REDUCED AMOUNTS SO WE DON'T NEED, WE NOT SPENDING 20 MILLION FROM BOND FUNDS IN 2024.

WE ARE SPENDING 24 OR NOW WE KNOW THE EDC HAS SOMETHING IT'S BEEN ABLE TO TAKE OVER ON THE MEGA SITE EASEMENT BECAUSE WE SOLD LAND OR WHATEVER, WE GOT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR WHATEVER SO THE NUMBER IS NOT 40 MILLION SAID I WOULD GET NEXT YEAR, THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE LIST BECAUSE THIS IS ONLY THE CRITICAL ONES THAT HAVE TO BE THERE. SO, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO GET, TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION OF WHAT THE NUMBER NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WITH THE MAYOR PAY-AS-YOU-GO PLAN RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW REALLY IT IS 11+ WE NEED THESE THAT ARE ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE WHICH ARE PROBABLY PUT YOU AT 16 PLUS IF YOU DO LIVE OAK ANOTHER FOR YOU AT 20 MILLION.

I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW, THAT IS NOT KIND OF LOOK THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED HERE. JUST OF THE 40 MILLION ACROSS THE TWO YEARS. MY POINT IS WE COULD PROBABLY DO THE LIVE OAK THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR FIGURE HOW WE WOULD COME UP WITH 3 MILLION DIFFERENCE.

AND SOMETHING ELSE WILL PROBABLY CAN OVER TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES OR OTHER ECONOMIC -- NOW WE HAVE THE 4 MILLION

AVAILABLE. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY POSITION ON THIS IS IT MISUNDERSTOOD.

I'M ALL FOR GETTING THIS DONE THE RIGHT WAY THE FIRST TIME.

THAT WE HAVE THE BASIS PUT IN OR WHAT WE NEED PUT INTO THEN GO INTO THE REST OF OLD TOWN. I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT AGAINST DOING THAT, MY FEELING IS THAT AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS LATER, THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN CHANGE, MORE MOVABLE THAN THOSE TOP PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED NOW. WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION ON ARE WE DOING 40, ARE WE DOING 10? I MEAN I THINK IF THIS IS THE TIME TO CALL FOR A VOTE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. QUICKLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL

RESOLUTION. >> YES.

>> WE ARE DISCUSSING AND POSSIBLY ACTING ON THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WHEN DISCUSSING TAX RATES, JUST DISCUSSING THE CIP PLAN. IF THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS TO PUT A SIGNAL, THEN EXCHANGE FOR CONSIDERATION, I'D ARGUE NOW IS THE TIME TO LET STAFF KNOW THAT WE LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE LIST. AND WE CAN WAIT UNTIL LATER BUT THE ITEM BEFORE US IS TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THIS CONVERSATION WE GET TO THE

RESOLUTION ABOUT -- >> FURTHER DOWN.

>> ALL WE ARE DOING HERE AND WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING IS NOT TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE LIST BUT TO ASK STAFF TO BRING THIS BACK THE COST ESTIMATE OF THE LIVE OAK WITH DRAINAGE, SOMEONE SAID GM THREE TO GM FIVE, THAT ITEM. THAT'S TECHNOLOGY NOT

TRANSPORTATION PEER. >> EXCHANGE SIGNAL, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE COST WISE? THE ED SCHMIDT AND -- INTERSECTION. THE TRUCK WITH THE GATE IN THE BUDGET, CURRENT YEAR BUT NOT THE NEXT YEAR.

AND MONEY TOWARDS SAUL HOUSE. >> THAT ONE IS NOT ROADS AND

DRAINAGE EITHER. >> AND JUST LOOKING FOR CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT TYPE THINGS, NOT ROADS.

>> FOR ME THIS CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AT THAT WAS THIS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE AMENDING THIS IT WAS MY OPPORTUNITY TO ADD.

I THOUGHT WE WERE LITERALLY JUST DISCUSSING WHAT WE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED WITH. NOT, THIS IS A FREE FOR ALL AND IF YOUR IDEAS BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE DURING

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THE AGENDA SETTING MEETING IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR OR HAVE SOMETHING PUT INTO THE ACTUAL PACKET ABOUT THAT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THESE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND HAVING POSSIBLE ACTION, NOT JUST HEY EVERYBODY, THINK OF ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LACKING OR NEEDING SUPPORT WERE FINANCIAL I MEAN ON WHEN AND IF YOU LIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT FEELING CONFIDENT STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THESE PROJECTS AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH ON THEIR PLATE. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE SAYING ACTUALLY, WE LET EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WEIGH-IN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU 10 MORE THINGS TO GO OUT IN PRICE FOR US. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FAIR PEDOPHILIC IS SPEAKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES AND NOT BEING FAIR TO STAFF WHATSOEVER. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT THEY DON'T, THAT WILL FEEL CONFIDENT IN OUR ABILITIES BUT THEN KEEP TACKING ON MORE THINGS AND MORE THINGS, HONESTLY THESE THINGS ARE CRITICAL, NEED TO BE TAKING CARE OF.

THIS IS WHAT I FEEL AT THE AGENDA ITEM WAS.

TO DISCUSS THESE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

IT WAS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE CIP PLEASE BRING IT FORWARD.

>> I THINK FOR T9 IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT ONE IS STILL TALKING ABOUT LIVE OAK ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF REPAIR YOU ARE DOING.> THAT IS FAIR. I DON'T LIKE THIS THE POINT IN TIME TO OPEN IT UP FOR ALL COUNCILMEMBERS TO CONTINUE TO TACK ON HEY GUYS TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS WILL COST AND TELL ME HOW MUCH DESIGN TIME THIS WOULD BE.

I FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT WITH THE AGENDA ITEM IS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE AGENDA ITEM THEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

>> YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE AGENDA ITEM IS JUST TO SEE THE PLAN THEY GAVE US, AND SAY YES OR NO TO THE PLAN WITHOUT

CHANGES. >> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I WILL REPEAT IT.

THESE TEND TO WERE WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AND POSSIBLY CHANGE WHAT WE ALREADY BEING PRESENTED WITH THAT WE HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS, THREE OR FOUR.THAT WAS WHAT WE ERE DISCUSSING. I FEEL WE ARE AT THE FINAL HOUR AND ON R AND ON THE LINE NOW WE SAY WE WANT TO ADD FOUR OR FIVE MORE PROJECTS AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WEIGH-IN.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WITNESSING WHATSOEVER IF YOU WANT TO ADD OTHER ITEMS ON IS COMPLETELY FINE.

BUT FOR ME WE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE CIP LIST FOR 2 TO 3 MONTHS NOW. IF WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES, THAT WAS WHEN WE WOULD SAY WE WANT TO ADD THIS.

FOR ME, YES, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO THE 10 OR 12 LISTED HERE AND I'M FINE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION SO LIVE OAK IS COMPLETELY ON THE TABLE. BUT ALL OF THESE OTHER SUGGESTIONS I FEEL IT IS NOT THE AGENDA ITEM AND IT WAS NOT CLEAR. THAT'S JUST MY STANCE AND I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> CITY ATTORNEY, BASED ON THE WAY THE AGENDA ITEM IS WORDED, ARE WE ABLE TO ADD OR SUBTRACT ITEMS AS PRESENTED?

>> IT IS BROAD AND YES, YOU CAN ADD.

YOU CAN ALSO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK PROJECTS BASED ON

YOUR DISCUSSIONS. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK COST ON THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, -- INTERSECTION CHANGE, IMPROVEMENT TRUCK GET IT AND REFORMS. WALK THROUGH SAUL HOUSE TO SEE IF THERE IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THE LIVE OAK PROJECT TO INCLUDE DRAINAGE.

-- LOOP EXCHANGE. SIGNAL UPGRADE.

I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THE NOTES I HAVE.

>> I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM. WE JUST CONTRACTED OUT THAT THEY WILL DO LASER TRAFFIC STUDY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT THAT THE RESULTS OF THAT MAY BE, TH , THERE WILL BE MONEY THAT NEED TO BE ALLOCATED TO WORK ON THE TOP OF THE LIST.

>> IS THAT A SECOND? >> SECOND WITH AMENDMENT.

>> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST AMENDING TO RECOMMEND TO US, PRIORITIES.

BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO TO SAUL HOUSE AND LOOK AND SAY MY GOSH THE ROOF IS ABOUT TO GO WE NEED TO GET ON TO IT RIGHT AWAY. WHAT YOU SAY IT'S GOT A COUPLE YEARS THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT IN THE PLAN TWO YEARS FROM NOW. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THE PLAN THIS YEAR. AND THINGS LIKE LIVE OAK, IT WILL BE 5 MILLION, MAYBE IT IS A NEXT YEAR PROJECT.

BUT MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE DRAINAGE UP.

IT OPENS UP POSSIBILITIES. I DON'T WANT TO GET

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OVERCOMPLICATED. FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT THEM IF THEY FEEL WE SHOULD REPRIORITIZE ANYTHING BASED ON SOME OF THESE, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

>> I AM OKAY WITH THAT. JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE HOUSE. IT IS AN ASSET YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROOF HIS FIST DAMAGE WITH HAIL, THAT IS AN INSURANCE CLAIM. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS IN

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. >> BUT IF IT'S JUST A 30-YEAR-OLD ROOF IT IS CAPITAL. IT DEPENDS.

LET STAFF LOOK AT IT. >> THE HOUSE WITH INSURANCE

EXAMPLE IS NOT EVEN RELEVANT. >> IF YOU ARE OKAY, THE MOTION MADE, YOU SECONDED WAS FOR THE COST COMING BACK ON POTENTIALLY ADDING -- INTERSECTION, AND REFORMS, SAUL HOUSE WALK-THROUGH, LIVE OAK WITH DRAINAGE, --

>> AND SIDEWALKS. >> MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.

>> WHAT'S THAT?> DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALKS.

>> THE -- LOOP EXCHANGE, SIGNAL UPGRADE.

AND ANY POTENTIAL THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THE PAVING ASSESSMENT. THAT IS JUST FOR STAFF TO BRING

US BACK COST. >> DIDN'T YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ON THE CIP PLAN THAT WE BEEN PRESENTED, IS THIS AN ORDER OF YOUR GUYS PROPOSED CRITICAL LEVEL? HAVE THEY ALREADY BEEN RATED OR NO?

>> I THINK THEY WERE RATED. [INAUDIBLE]

>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT WE TRIED TO INDICATE ON THE LIST HERE, THESE ARE ALL IN SOME SENSE CATCH UP PROJECTS.HE PRIORITY LISTING ONE, TWO, THREE, WAS TO ATTEMPT INDICATE WHAT IS IMMEDIATE RECOMMENDATION IMMEDIATE NEEDS AND OTHERS THAT, NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT BUT MAY BE RIGHT BEHIND THAT.

WHAT WE DID NOT DO THIS TIME AROUND, AND THE FUTURE SE, YOU HAVE A LISTING OF ALL THE TRANSPORTATION, ALL THE WATER PROJECTS. THEY BE BASED ON THE LONG-RANGE PLAN. SINCE WE HAD NOT HAD THOSE UPDATES IN PLACE, WE DID OUR BEST ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE THOUGHT TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME INDICATION THAT MIGHT HELP YOU PRIORITIZE IF HE HAD TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.

>> IN YOUR OPINION, SINCE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS OF STRATEGIC PLANNING, THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, -- IN THAT ORDER.

>> THESE ARE THE TOP PRIORITY PROJECTS.

>> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, THANK YOU.

>> AND THERE WILL BE MORE PROJECTS THAT ARE PARTY WAS THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS DONE. THOSE WILL BE LIKE PHASE 2, CIP, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ANYWAY.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.UST PUTTING THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT AND THERE'S OPENING THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE IT COULD GO 137 YOU KNOW PAVING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, LIVE OAK AND DIFFERENT ROADS, JUST SO MUCH AND TO PUT THAT ON STAFF IS A

LOT. >> ONE THING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER, RELATED TO THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT.

JUST A SUGGESTION. IF YOU WANT TO SET ASIDE A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR PAVEMENT REHABILITATION, THAT IS SOMETHING FRANKLY THAT IS A COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE EVERY YEAR ANYWAY. PART OF THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT PLAN THAT WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION.

PUT TOGETHER A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, A 10 YEAR PLAN TO WEAR ON AN ANNUAL BASIS YOU ARE REASSESSING THAT.

BUT AS A COMMUNITY YOU NEED TO SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF STREETS.

WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THEM IN A CERTAIN LEVEL.

ONE OPTION COULD BE TO PICK A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE FIRST YEAR. BECAUSE A STUDY WILL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

THAT MIGHT BE A PLACEHOLDER THAT THE STUDY THERE MIGHT BE AS A GROUP YOU MIGHT DECIDE THE PROJECT IS TOP OF THE LIST.

WE CAN USE AS A BUDGET SOURCE. JUST A SUGGESTION.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY, HAD TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE I THINK SOMETHING THAT IS THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE CONFUSION WE ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE TALKING

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THROUGH THIS. I WAS DESCRIBING WHAT I'M USED TO IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WHERE THE COUNCIL SEES THE BUDGET PROPOSALS AND HAS OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD TO OR SUBTRACT FROM THE OVERALL BUDGET. AND THAT IS TRUE.

WHETHER THAT BE ITEMS THAT END UP BEING IN THE CIP WERE NOT.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU HAVE A CIP WHICH IS BEYOND A SCOPE OF PROJECTS WELL BEYOND WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT ISSUING DEBT FOR THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.

AND I THINK WHATEVER I SAID THAT YOU CAN ADD TO OR SUBTRACT FUN IT WAS IN THE NOTE IN THE VEIN OF IF WE END UP NOT BEING ABLE TO DO ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, DEVELOPERS PAID FOR SOMETHING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THOSE EXTRA FREE DOLLARS COULD MOVE DOWN TO THE NEXT TIER OF PROJECTS. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO PLAN YET.

I THINK WE MIGHT BE CAUSING SOME THE CONSTERNATION RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE TRYING TO AS A BODY, DECIDE WHAT THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT IS SPECIFICALLY WHILE THE COUNCIL IS ALSO TRYING TO CONSIDER OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED IN A CIP PLAN. SOME OF WHICH ARE CERTAINLY TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED. SO, MY ADVICE WOULD BE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE TRYING TO DIVORCE THE TWO SOMEWHAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

ONCE YOU DECIDE ON THAT, IN THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU KNOW THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LOCKED AND THE REST OF THESE ARE PARTY UNTIL THE COUNSELOR SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO CHANGE THE LIST IN ANY FORM OR FASHION OR WE HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH SAY THE MEGA SITE OR WE DON'T HAVE THE BILL THAT PARTICULAR ROAD AND THE DOLLARS ARE FREED UP AND THEN, WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE WOULD PLUG IN.

I THINK ME ADVOCATING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO HAVE INPUT ON THE BUDGET HAS SOMEWHAT CONFUSED THIS ONLY BECAUSE WHAT IS ON THIS LIST, IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING THE ISSUING DEBT FOR. VERSUS AN ACTUAL TRUE LIVING CIP WHICH IS USUALLY A MUCH BIGGER DOCUMENT THAT'S COMING

IN A FEW MONTHS. >> UNDERSTAND THIS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. THIS AGENDA ITEM THE MONEY WE ARE ALLOCATING, CRITICAL THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BY STAFF AND SAYING THIS IS THE ORDER, THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FOCUS ON. I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT WHEN COUNSEL WAS TO ADD MORE AND ADD ON TO THIS, PLEASE, THAT'S GREAT. ESPECIALLY ONCE WE GET BACK ALL THE RESULTS. ROAD STUDIES AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON SIMULTANEOUSLY. I'M SURE WE ALL WILL HAVE SEVERAL THOUGHTS ON WHAT THINGS SHOULD BE ADDED IN WHAT ORDER AND I THINK WILL BE MUCH MORE FRUITFUL, LIVELY AND PREPARED DISCUSSION THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW.

THAT WAS MY ENTIRE POINT OF WHAT I SAID.

THESE ARE CRITICAL, THESE ARE THE THINGS THE STAFF HAS BEEN SAYING ARE CRITICAL. AND NOW WE ARE THROWING DARTS AT A DARTBOARD AND FURTHERMORE, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS.

THE GENERAL PERCEPTION FROM THE PUBLIC AND MYSELF ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, THERE IS NO INFORMATION, NO BACKGROUND INFORMATION, NO SUMMARY OF REQUEST.

IF THAT WAS TO BE WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT, WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT GOES IN THERE.

SO I CAN COME TO THE TABLE WITH BETTER DISCUSSION POINTS AND BE MORE PREPARED TO USE OUR TIME MORE WISELY WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE UNTIL 2:00 OR 3:00 AM BECAUSE WE ARE THROWING DARTS AT A DARTBOARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON.

>> I THINK THE ITEM IS LISTED SEPARATELY.

I APOLOGIZE IF THERE IS NOT INFORMATION BUT SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN IN FLUX SO MUCH. BECAUSE IS NOT REALLY IN THE BUDGET, THESE ITEMS AREN'T. BECAUSE THHAVEN'T BEEN FU WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FUND THEM THROUGH DEBT, AND ASKED TO DO

THAT. >> RIGHT, IS BEING DILUTED

DOWN NOW. >> IMPLICIT SUPPER-- IS LISTED SEPARATE -- THESE ITEMS WILL PLAY INTO THAT.

>> I UNDERSTAND. WHEN I SAW THE AGENDA ITEM I DID NOT THINK, WHAT IDEAS ARE HAVE TO EXPAND UPON THIS? WHAT OTHER PROJECTS CAN I ADD? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS WHAT WE ARE BEING PRESENTED WITH FOR THREE MONTHS, SO THIS

IS WHAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING. >> I CALL A VOTE.

>> WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION. >> I DO HOPE THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO WE PRIORITIZE BECAUSE THE LAST MEETING, I MENTIONED THE THINGS A GOOD IDEA TO PRIORITIZE.

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ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.

THOSE NOT SLATED UNTIL 2024. THE NEXT PERSON DIES THERE, THEIR DEATH COMES BEHIND OTHER OTHERS POTENTIALLY THAT IT IS ONLY $500,000. MY ONLY INTENT IS AS A COUNSEL WE TALK AND SAY WE HAVE A LIMITED RESOURCE AND WE USE THESE LIMITED RESOURCES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM MAY BE IN THE EYES OF COUNCILMEMBERS OF BIGGER ISSUE TODAY OR SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE A COUNTY ROAD REPAIRS 246,000, THAT IS A THIRD TIER PARTY AND IS SO SMALL THAT PART OF ME SAYS, COULDN'T JUST BE FIRST? I AM JUST ASKING THAT AND WE TALK ABOUT THE SAME PROCESS LAST YEAR.

MULTIPLE MEETINGS WE ADDED AND SUBTRACTED.

WE DID TALK LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW MUCH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CIP PROJECTS PRIORITIZED. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT TO BE ON THE AGENDA WAS HAPPY TO SEE IT ON THERE.

>> THAT IS WE HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.

YOU ARE PART OF THE AGENDA SETTING MEETING.

SO IF YOU WANT YOUR COUNSEL TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU AND YOUR REQUEST AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND YOU WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS WE HAVE AN ADVANTAGE AND YOU COULD HAVE INCLUDED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.E WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT HE MENTIONED THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING. SO JUST AS FOR MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE AND I'M SURE SEVERAL OUT THERE WATCHING, IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE INCLUDED. IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU SEE THE DISCUSSION GOING. THAT IS WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE AND THE ABILITY TO ADD THE DETAILS.

>> NOT TO GIVE TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

I DID NOT REQUEST THE ITEM. >> I DID NOT SAY YOU DID.

>> WHEN I REVIEWED THE ITEM, I DID NOT EVEN SEE THE ITEM.

THE CITY MANAGER GRACIOUSLY READ ME ITEMS OVER THE PHONE AND I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER REGULARLY MEETS WITH US. AND UNLESS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS, OTHER THAN THAT THE SAFETY OF QUESTIONS ON THINGS, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER.

BECAUSE THIS IS TURNED INTO A BIG TRACTOR.

>> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE OPENED UP BUT APPARENTLY WAS ALREADY A THOUGHT PROCESS IN MOTION. KNOWN AS APPEAR EVEN SEE THE AGENDA BEFORE HAND SO I HAVE NO WAY OF READING YOUR MIND.

TO KNOW THAT IS THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO GO.

AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION SEVERAL TIMES ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE VAGUE AND VERY BROAD AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING

AT. >> MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, WE ARE ARGUING AS THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE DOING AS THOUGH WE ARE TRYING TO JAM THINGS INTO THE PLANT TONIGHT AND WE ARE NOT. WE ARE ASKING STAFF TO BRING US BACK ESTIMATES OF WHAT THOSE ARE AND THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON PRIORITIZATION. WE MAY CONTINUE TO ADD TO THAT OVER TIME. THIS IS A PLAN THAT WILL TAKE MONTHS TO PUT TOGETHER. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING REQUESTS AND IN SAYING STAFF, WE WANT YOU LOOK AT THIS BRING BACK THE ESTIMATES. AND THEN TELL US WHAT YOU THINK THE PRIORITY IS AND WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION AS A COUNSEL.

I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE MAKING SUGGESTIONS.

IF WERE TRYING TO JAM IT INTO THE PLAN, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. BUT WE ARE NOT WE ARE JUST

SAYING BRING THIS BACK TO US. >> I DO 100 PERCENT AGREE BUT THIS IS NOT THE TIME WE ARE TRYING TO PASS TO GET THE MONEY WE ARE TRYING, THIS IS NOT THE TIME AND PLACE TO NOW BE DEVELOPING OUR CIP PLAN INTO ADDING THINGS.

I'M FINE WE CAN BRING THIS BACK 100 TIMES.

BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING INTO IT, THESE ARE THE 12 ITEMS AT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AND AMENDING AND CHANGING.

NOT ADDING WHATEVER WE WANT ON TO OTHER PROJECTS.

I KNOW THAT THOSE WILL NOT GET JAMMED INTO THIS RIGHT NOW.

I'M SAY WE COULD HAVE HAD A MUCH BETTER PREPARED MORE FRUITFUL DISCUSSION, HAD EVERYONE KNOWN THAT'S WITH THE AGENDA ITEM WAS ACTUALLY CALLING FOR.

>> IF THE PROCESS WORKS. >> AT THIS POINT IT'S A WASTE OF TIME WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND VOTE ON IT.

>> LET'S DO THIS. -- LET'S HAVE MUTUAL RESPECT.

PLEASE FINISH COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON.

>> THE CIP PLAN, IF WE WERE DOING THINGS WE SHOULD BE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL IN THE FUTURE.

WE WOULD HAVE AN APPROVED CIP PLAN TO BE OPERATED FOR.

WE DON'T COME WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE UNTIL APPROVED.

ALL WE ARE DOING IS SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE PLAN. AND WE ARE NOT ASKING TO FUND

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THEM NECESSARILY OUT OF THIS POTENTIAL BOND ISSUANCE.

>> IT DOES BRING UP AN INTERESTING POINT.

IF YOU WANTED ANYTHING ADDED, BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE REQUIRED BY CHARTER, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH P&Z.

IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE IT ALREADY HERE IT WILL GO TO P&Z BEFORE IT GOES BACK TO US SEPTEMBER 1 WHEN WE DO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. I THINK CRYSTAL IS VERY ON POINT IF THAT'S THE CASE. WE CANNOT REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING TODAY FOR THIS YEAR. IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN DO THIS AND IF WE FIGURE OUT OTHER FUNDING LATER ON, BUT THESE ARE THE 14 ITEMS THAT STAFF HAS SAID NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE HAVE TO GO TO P&Z TO HAVE THEM SIGN OFF ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ADD SOMETHING NEXT WEEK WERE IN TWO WEEKS FROM STAFF.> AFTER P&Z ROSE AND APPROVES A PLAN, COUNSEL CAN CHANGE THE PLAN. AND THE PLAN IS BASICALLY A

RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. >> IS LIKE WHEN WE SET BUDGET AMENDMENTS. THERE IS AN ARGUMENT MADE BY ADMINISTRATION DURING A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES OTHER THAN THE EXACT ITEM THEY WANTED AND WE ARGUED WE WERE DOING A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE CHANGES. YOU DON'T TAKE A VOTE AND THEN WE ARE LOCKED IN AND WE WAIT UNTIL NEXT AUGUST BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE MAY COME UP. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT THING

FOR A WORKSHOP. >> TOTALLY AGREE.

>> IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ASKING STAFF TO BRING BACK COST FOR THE ITEMS?

>> ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A DUE DATE?

TO GET TO THE BUDGET? >> IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE DATE

-- THEN YOU VOTE. >> BUT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO

ALL OF THIS PRIOR TO TRANSFER. >> NO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

I THINK THE CITY MANAGER DRIVES RUN THE CITY, HE WILL SEE SOME OF THE THINGS AND HE WILL PROBABLY BE ACTING ON HIS OWN.

[INAUDIBLE] PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[10.5. Discussion and possible action to direct city staff/city attorney to prepare a resolution/ordinance regarding a November ballot measure for the public vote of bond sales for city improvements including, but not limited to, a municipal pool, a senior community meeting space and Fritz Park Improvements. (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DIRECT CITY STAFF/CITY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION/ORDINANCE REGARDING A NOVEMBER BALLOT MEASURE FOR THE PUBLIC VOTE OF BOND SALES FOR CITY IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, A MUNICIPAL POOL, A SENIOR COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE AND

FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS. >> I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN HAVE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET THAT WILL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW. BEFORE THE DISCUSSION.

>> PER ROBERTS RULES, THE PERSON WHO IS THE ITEM HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU I LIKE TO AT LEAST EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONCEPT IS.

>> THAT THE PURPOSE, RIGHT? OF THE PACKET AND SUBMITTING EVERYTHING AHEAD OF TIME, RIGHT?

>> AGAIN, YOU COME IN WITH ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT NONE OF US HAVE IT. THIS IS KIND OF THE SAME THING ON THE LAST ITEM. AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THIS CONVERSATION HAS COME UP IN THE LAST YEAR.

AGENDA ITEMS, THERE IS AN AGENDA BEHIND THE AGENDA ITEM AND NONE OF US ARE PRIVY TO THAT.

>> MAY I PLEASE PRESENT? I THINK HE DOES TAKE A LOT MORE -- ON SOME ITEMS, WE WILL HAVE ONE COMING UP.

COUNCILMEMBER HAS ALREADY ASKED STAFF TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT.

WE ARE VOTING ON A DOCUMENT THAT A COUNCILMEMBER ASKED FOR.

OKAY? THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M DOING HERE.

WHAT I'M ASKING COUNSEL TO DO IS TO POSSIBLY, DIRECT STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING BACK FOR TURNS ON NOVEMBER ISN'T GOING TO WORK BUT TO TALK ABOUT AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON, DO WE HAVE A BALLOT MEASURE FOR A BIG-TICKET ITEM LIKE -- THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO PUT IN THE PACKET BECAUSE THIS INFORMATION HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO US AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE BALLOT TODAY, JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE I COULD

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SAY, CITY ATTORNEY, CAN YOU PLEASE PREPARE AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE I WOULD TRY TO LIKE THIS RUN THROUGH AND GET THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M DOING.

I'M LITERALLY ASKING FOR DISCUSSION.

I WANT ALL SEVEN PEOPLES OPINIONS ON WHAT DO YOU THINK IN TERMS OF A $4 MILLION IMPROVEMENT TO FRITZ PARK.

IT IS A DECISION WE MAKE IS A GROUP? ANDREW JUST GO DO IT OR DO WE ASK THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A VOTE ON A BIG-TICKET ITEM LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST A BROAD DISCUSSION.

THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO GIVE A THINK IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN 10.4. THIS IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING. WHAT DOES EACH COUNCILMEMBER LIKE IF THERE'S A $5 MILLION PARK IMPROVEMENT SPLASH PADS AND EVERYTHING, HAS A COUNSEL WANT TO SEE THAT GET DONE? BECAUSE WITH THINGS WE'VE APPROVED 50 MILLION IN BUDGETS AND WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING THERE'S 41.5 MILLION THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE COME UP WITH A BIG PROJECT, EVERYBODY, THAT'S NOT THE PARTY WE THINK IT OUGHT TO BE, WE THINK IT OUGHT TO BE THIS.

I'M LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION, HOW DO WE MOVE SOME OF THIS

FORWARD? >> I WILL START.

THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN THE FIRST WORDING IN THE DRAFT.

IT WAS JUST A BALLOT MEASURE, RIGHT? SO I ASKED THE QUESTION. SO I APPRECIATE YOU FILLING ME IN. THIS WAS ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THIS WAS ENOUGH TO GET THE GIST OF WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO I WAS GOOD WITH IT.

MY ONLY THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE OR, THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE, THE ONES ARE LISTED, MUNICIPAL POOL, SENIOR COMMUNITY SPACE, FOR SPARK IMPROVEMENTS.

TO ME IT SEEMS THAT THOSE ALREADY APPROVED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL BALLOT MEASURE THAT WAS DONE IN 2018.

SO, WE HAD A BALLOT MEASURE WE HAD ROUGHLY -- WE HAD 4000 PEOPLE VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT AND 2000 AGAINST FOR THE PARKS BOND. AND SO, THE VOTERS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN PARKS. FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THEM AGAIN, TELLS THE SPECIFICS OF EVERY LITTLE ITEM, I GUESS 5 MILLION IS IN A LITTLE, IT'S A LOT! BUT IN MY OPINION THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE ELECTED US FOR.

WE ARE REPRESENTING A DEMOCRACY.

THE SAVIOR COMFORTABLE SPENDING 50 MILLION IN PARKS AND WE KIND OF MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. IT DOESN'T SAY WE DON'T TAKE THEM, THEIR OPINIONS INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE ASK AND WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE THINKING.

WE DISCUSSED IT WE HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO GO THROUGH THE EXTRA STEP PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT. PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS SUFFICIENT IN MY OPINION. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO

GO BACK. >> CAN I ADD SOMETHING?

>> I WOULD PREFER ALL OF YOU ADD SOMETHING.

>> I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM ON THAT PORTION.

BUT WE HAVE A PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS MADE UP OF CITIZENS. THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT COME UP AND SAY, WE HAVE DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE.

WE HAVE OUR OWN PUBLIC MEETINGS.

WE'VE INVITED PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND AS WE LOVE PARKS AND WE ARE INVITED AND THEY ARE ENTHUSIASTIC FOR THE ONE AREA, THEY COME OUT AND SAY, WE AGREE, THIS IS THE PARTY WHAT WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY ON AND THEY COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.

THEN THEY PRESENT A PROPOSAL TO US THAT CAME FROM THEIR CHAIRMAN. AND THEN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT INVITED TO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN, WE DECIDE AS A REPRESENTATIVE BODY, WHAT WE DO BASED ON THE PARK ADVISORY BOARD, THE COUNCIL LIAISON REPORT WAS, AND WITH THE PRESENTATION IS GIVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT CITY STAFF PRESENTED IN CONJUNCTION WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO A BALLOT MEASURE. THE BALLOT MEASURE WAS GET THE FUNDING READY, NOW USE THE PARK ADVISORY BOARD AND DO THOSE.

OTHERWISE, WHAT WE HAVE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IF WE DON'T USE THEM? I AM A STRONG PROPONENT OF ENGAGED CITIZENS, THE WAY THEY GET ENGAGES EITHER COME HERE AND TALK OR ASK TO GET ON BOARD TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND BRING YOUR WISDOM AND ENTHUSIASM AND STUFF FOR WHATEVER AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE AND IN PARKS WE DO HAVE ONE THAT APPLIES TO SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD SEE IT.

I WILL THE OTHER PEOPLE DISCUSSED BUT THAT IS MY

THOUGHT. >> TO BUILD ON THAT, I AGREE

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WITH THAT ASPECT I THINK THERE ARE MULTIPLE ASPECTS IN PLAY.

ONE IS THAT THERE WERE A SERIES OF PROJECTS USED IN 2018 ON THE BOND. WE NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THOSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD TO THAT IS THAT WE ARE STUCK WITH IT EXACT LIST BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND GIVE STRONG CONSIDERATION IN THE PROCESS.

THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD PASSED A PARKS MASTER PLAN, I THINK IN 2019, AND SO THERE IS A PLAN THAT IS NOT ALL THAT OUTDATED THAT HAS A LOT OF PROJECTS IN IT.

THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD CAN WORK OFF THE PLAN AND PRIORITIZE THE LIST. I THINK THE ONE ISSUE WE ARE IN TROUBLE WITH HERE IS WE HAVE $41 MILLION THAT HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED. WE CAN'T JUST ISSUE THAT BECAUSE REISSUING BASICALLY EVERYTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW TO WORK ON THE ROAD PROJECTS. ANYTHING ISSUE WILL RAISE THAT.

AND SO, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

IF WE CATCH UP ON ROAD PROJECTS OR WE GET AN INFLUX OF TAX DOLLARS WILL RECOVER BOND DOLLARS THAT WERE MISSPENT, THAT WE HAVE MONEY THAT WE CAN PUT TOWARDS THIS.

RIGHT NOW IN A VERY SHORT-TERM WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR THIS.

UNFORTUNATELY. >> BUT GOING BACK TO THE

VOTERS AND ASKING THEM -- >> PARKS ARE THE OTHER COMPONENT OF WHAT THE CITY PROVIDES RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION, WASTEWATER, WE'VE ALREADY HANDLING THE MAIN THINGS BUT SOMETIMES PARKS HAS BEEN PUT ON THE BACK BURNER. I UNDERSTAND BRINGING THIS FORWARD, I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS TO NARROW IT BACK THERE BECAUSE THE VERBIAGE, THE WAY IT WAS WORDED IS BROAD AND INCLUDES ALL THESE THINGS ALREADY. ALSO, THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD IS ACTUALLY WORKING. I'VE ENCOURAGED HIM TO COME UP WITH PRIORITIES LIST.HEY DO ALREADY HAVE A LIST BECAUSE EACH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, THEY HAVE A PARK ASSIGNED TO THEM.

T IS HOW THEY ORGANIZE THEMSELVES.

EACH MEMBER HAS A PARK AND SO I GUESS THEY HAVE A LIST OF 5 TO 10 THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE DONE AT THAT PARK.

HOPEFULLY, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS STARTING TO PRIORITIZE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE DONE AND I HAVE ENCOURAGE THEM TO START THE GAME INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT $41.5 MILLION WHICH IS NOT -- BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTING IN OTHER BIG PROJECTS BUT I'VE ENCOURAGED HIM TO START TAKING BITES AT IT.

NO FRITZ PARK WILL COST $2.5 MILLION, THAT IS DOABLE THAN OTHER PARKS BUT THIS IS A POOL OF MONEY THAT CAN BE USED TOWARDS THAT. WITHOUT TAKING THE WHOLE LUMP SUM OUT, BUT WE ARE STILL INCLUDING PARKS AND IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITY. HAVING THE TAXPAYERS SEE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ASPECT OF THEIR LIFE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT TO COUNCILMEMBER CLARK!, THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS AND BOARD MEMBERS, THEY ARE ACTIVELY PUTTING TOGETHER THIS LIST SO THAT THEY CAN COME TO US AND SAY WE NEED 2.5 MILLION. TO FINISH OUT FRITZ PARK.

I ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM, THERE IS A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED LIKE 95 PERCENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DO Y'ALL REALLY WANT A SPLASH PAD? DO Y'ALL REALLY WANT WHAT'S IN THE PLAN? IF NOT, WE GOT TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT Y'ALL REALLY WANT BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNSEL.

AND SO THEY WILL HAVE THEIR INPUT IN THAT AS WELL.

IT IS KIND OF ALREADY IN THE WORKS, THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD IS LEADING THE WAY, LEAVING THE CAUSE.

ALL THE MEASURES RIGHT HERE ARE INCLUDED IN THE BOND LANGUAGE.

THERE IS NO REASON WHY THESE THINGS COULDN'T GET DONE.

BUT I THINK NOT TAKING A BIG CHUNK BUT PIECES AT A TIME AND I THINK IT'S DOABLE. AND I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE AS

WELL. >> ONE ASPECT THAT MAY BE FALLS THROUGH THE CRACKS, MAYBE DOESN'T, BUT IF THEY'RE LOOKING EACH INDIVIDUAL PARK WE HAVE THAT'S GREAT.

BUT TWO ASPECTS WHERE WE ARE BEHIND IS HEAVY TRAIL CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE CITY AND ALSO, THREE YEARS AGO WE WERE WAY BEHIND ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKLAND WE HAD PER CITIZEN.

WE'VE GROWN A LOT WE'VE ADDED THREE ACRES IN PARKS WE ARE MUCH FURTHER BEHIND THAN THREE YEARS AGO.

AND IT JUST GETS WORSE EVERY DAY AS WE ADD MORE CITIZENS TO THE COMMUNITY. FIGURING OUT HOW TO ACTUALLY EXPAND THE PARK SYSTEM WITH MORE PARKS IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER WHEN TALKING ABOUT LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AS

WELL. >> COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON.

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>> A ONE POINT HPC WAS TALKING AND WORKING WITH THE ISD TO MAKE IT A SENIOR CENTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONVERSATION HAS -- HAVE NOT SEEN IT COME BACK UP.

>> THERE STILL TALK ABOUT THE DON'T HAVE A FIRM PLAN ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IT BUT THE OLD STATION THEY ARE STILL VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING IT. BUT WHERE IT WOULD GO, WHO WOULD PAY FOR MEDIATION IS NECESSARY AND WHAT WAS USED

FOR. >> WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING THE PERFECT SENIOR CENTER KEEPING IT FRITZ PARK.

IT'S IN THE SAME GENERAL VICINITY.

THERE WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THAT. NONE OF THAT WILL BE A VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT ONLY LEAVE WORTHWHILE VENTURE TO SAVE THE DEPOT. AND UTILIZE IT.

THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE REGARDING THE SENIOR CENTER.

THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD. >> COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY.

>> MADE A PRESENTATION FROM THE Y ABOUT THE POOL AND SENIOR COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE HAVE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS NOW THAT WERE NOT HERE WERE NOT ON COUNCIL FOR THE MEETING.

MAYBE A COPY AND PASTE OR REATTACHMENT FOR SOME REFERENCE. PUTTING ALL THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT YOU ARE SAYING, REALLY WOULD HAVE JUST MADE THIS INFORMATION JUST FOR EVERYBODY, THAT EVERYBODY GOES BACK AND DIGS BACK TO THE MARCH MEETING. BECAUSE THAT PACKET -- AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THERE TO BE MORE CLARITY IN THE THINK AS A COUNSEL THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND WE WILL HOLD EACH OTHER'S PEERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR, THAT THAT IS WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING OF EACH OTHER. THAT WAS MY AGREEMENT.

WHERE THE THOUGHT ON THAT WAS, I REMEMBERED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THE POOL AND SENIOR CENTER, AND AGAIN, ROUNDED NUMBER BUT I BELIEVE IT CAME OUT TO BE ABOUT $6000 A SQUARE FOOT. IT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE AND THEN, THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH THE SIZE OF WHAT THAT YMCA COULD THEN HANDLE, THERE WILL BE NO ROOM FOR GROWTH.

THEN THERE WERE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT LED TO A NORTH YMCA AND SOUTH YMCA. THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF OTHER PARAMETERS THAT WENT INTO THAT CONVERSATION AND WHAT I WALKED AWAY WITH FROM THE CONVERSATION, REMEMBERING BACK TO MARCH, IT WAS JUST COST PER SQUARE FOOT AND THE POOL COST PER SQUARE FOOT AND ONLY ABLE TO USE IT THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT FELT PRETTY FAR DOWN IN THE PRIORITY LIST.

NOTHING WOULD BE FANTASTIC, IT WOULD ADD A LOT TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. IT WOULD BE GREAT, IT REALLY WOULD. BUT WHERE WE ARE FINANCIALLY, AND THESE CRITICAL ISSUES WE'VE GOT TO GET MOVING, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.

>> ON THAT NOTE, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AND IT WAS A SURPRISE PRESENTATION. NONE OF US KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I'M NOT TYING THE TWO TOGETHER, IS THAT THE SAME PLAN FOR THIS? OR ARE YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT OR OTHER OPTIONS WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OR JUST STILL THE PLAN FOR THE WHY?

>> HE SAID WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO THE ONLY OTHER PRESENTATION I REMEMBER. IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT

ME. >> MY INTENT WAS THAT WE HAVE 41 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS NOT SPENT.

I DO NOT MIND, AND HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH NOT ONLY THE CITY MANAGER BUT ALSO CITY MANAGER TURNER.

THE ROADS ARE VERY -- WATER, WASTEWATER -- TO SPEND $40 MILLION IN PARKS IS GOING TO INCREASE THE COST OF YOUR TAX BILL. YOU ARE GIVING SOMETHING AWAY.

EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY. IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, -- MY THINKING IS THAT IF YOU ARE DOING BASKETBALL COURT LIGHTS, RESURFACING, TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING, THOSE ARE MINOR THINGS. BUT IF YOU WANT A BIG TICKET ITEM, SOMETHING THAT IS A BIG QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGE, THE ONE THING YOU FEEL ABOUT THE 2018 BOND MEASURE IS THAT I COULDN'T FIND ON ANY OF THE CITY WEBSITES.

BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS $125 MILLION, A $0.10 TAX INCREASE ON THE RATE. THEY WENT UP $0.17, A LOT OF THINGS WERE PROMISED. IN MY MIND IT WAS A FRAUDULENT

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DEAL. THE FIX WAS ALREADY IN.

AND IN A WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE VOTE YES BECAUSE IF YOU LIKED ANYTHING YOU LIKE, WE HAD. SO WHEN I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER IN MY MIND, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT THE COUNCIL WORK WITH THE PARKS OR WHOEVER COME UP WITH A TOP TWO OR THREE AND BRING IT TO THE VOTERS IN TERMS OF YES, THE BALLOT HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED. BUT WORD AND ADVISORY FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, NOT SAYING IT WILL GO UP $0.10 BUT IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A $5 MILLION FRITZ PARK WITH SPLASH PAD AND ALL THIS LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO IT ISD IN BOLD BLOCK LETTERS, THIS WILL RESULT IN A TAX INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY SO MUCH MONEY. DO YOU STILL WANT THIS TO PROCEED? MY GUESS IS THE PUBLIC WILL LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY WHEN THEY SAY WAIT A MINUTE I DIDN'T KNOW WAS GOING TO COST ME $100 A YEAR.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS OVER HERE OR A SCALED DOWN VERSION BECAUSE WE SHOWED PICTURES AND SLIDESHOWS OF THE WORLD AND SAID IT WILL COST YOU $0.10. AND SO THAT IS ALL MY THINKING IS. AS A COUNSEL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO AGREE ON WHERE WE SPENT THE NEXT 5 MILLION? FOR ALL I KNOW I DO NOT WANT MY TAXES TO GO UP.

THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT THINKS THE PUBLIC WOULD NOT MIND SAY, A $40 INCREASE IN TAXES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE REGULAR RATE. IF THEY KNEW THEY WERE GETTING SOMETHING SPECIFIC OUT OF IT LIKE A SENIOR CENTER LET'S SAY, OR THE SPLASH PAD IT FRITZ PARK WITH THE TRAILS CONNECTED THAT WE HAD -- AND SO, DECISIONS LIKE THAT ROADS WILL BE IN THE PRIORITY ROADS WATER AND PRIORITY FOR THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SPEND $40 MILLION? WHEN WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY LESS SPEND $9 MILLION. WE CANNOT DO THIS IN NOVEMBER, WE DIRECT STAFF, GET -- MOST OF THE TIME I'M TELLING THE CITY MANAGER I'M TRYING TO GET THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION TO TELL STAFF AT ALL WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO SAY, THROUGH VOTE HOPEFULLY TONIGHT, THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAN YOU AND THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER WHAT IT WILL COST TO BUILD THE POOL, WHO MANAGES IT? I DON'T CARE.

WHERE IT IS AT, I DON'T CARE. IS IT CHEAPER BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY IN MY MIND? I BELIEVE SO. BUT I LIKE TO SEE THE CITY SIDE OF IT. I WILL LEAVE THE CITY MANAGER TO BE OVER BY THIS COST. WHAT IT WILL COST TO DO THE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAD ON THE SLIDESHOW.

AND WE LOOK AT THAT AND GO, IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, LESS BRING IT TO THE VOTERS AND ASK THEM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH YOUR TAXES GOING UP TO GET THESE TWO THINGS? THEY MAY SAY YES OR NO. IF THEY SAY ANOTHER ONE OF THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, THE PEOPLE SPOKE THEY WANT SMALL BITES, THEY DON'T WANT A BIG ITEM AMOUNT OR THEY MAY SAY JACK MY TAXES UP, I WANT TO POOL, SENIOR CENTER AND I WANT THE FULL WORKS AT FRITZ PARK. TO WHICH I SAID IF THEY BROUGHT THAT WAY WE SHOULD BE COMING UP AND SELLING OF THE BONDS AND GOING THIS WITH THE PUBLIC WANTED.

WHAT WE SOLD THEM WAS VERY VAGUE, BROAD OVER ENCOMPASSING THING. ALL I'M ASKING IS POTENTIALLY, WE DIRECT STAFF, NOW LOOKING AT BRING A RESOLUTION BACK TO HAVE A BIGGER DISCUSSION. THE COST, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND GO FROM THERE. HAVE AN ADVISORY VOTE BY THE PEOPLE. LAST THING I SAY IS, THIS WAS DONE IN 2018. POPULATION IS LIKE DOUBLE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED.

ONE THING ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT TO ANOTHER ENTITY I WON'T NAME, WHEN YOU GROW THAT MUCH IT'S LIKE IF I'M TRYING TO HAVE A BABY OR TRIPLETS CHANGING PRIORITIES IN LIFE AND NOT GOING TO -- THE CITY HAS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED OUR MAKEUP IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. TO GO BACK AND SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT WE VOTED ON IN 2018, WE HAVE TO STICK WITH IT.

I THINK IT IS UPON US JUST LIKE WE REALLY DO OUR COMP PLANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE GO BACK TO SOMETIMES AND SAY WHEN YOU PASS THIS WE WERE GROWING AT SIX PERCENT A YEAR.

NO WE ARE GROWING AT 25 PERCENT A. IS THIS STILL WHAT YOU GUYS WANT OR HAVE THIS COMPLETELY CHANGED? I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, WE ARE UPDATING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF PLANS EVERY YEAR.

BECAUSE WE'VE GROWN SO MUCH. BUT WE KEEP STICKING TO WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD SAY WAS, NOT THE MOST UPFRONT AND TRANSPARENT WAY OF PROPOSITION. WE ARE STICKING TO THAT AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. IF COUNSEL SAYS IT'S A WASTE OF TIME, THAT'S FINE, IT IS A WASTE OF TIME.

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WE HAD A DISCUSSION. IF THE COUNCIL SAYS CITY MANAGER WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS, DO THE BUDGET.

CAN YOU THROW SOMETHING TOGETHER AND LET US SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST SOME

MOVEMENT. >> I DON'T THINK GOING TO A BALLOT MEASURE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

I THINK THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE BONDS WERE IN THE WAY THEY WERE WRITTEN IS BROAD ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN.

IF WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CITIZENS WHO IN 2018 SAID WE WANT AN OUTDOOR POOL, AND IN 2022 THEY SAY I DO NOT WANT AN OUTDOOR POOL, I WANT SOMETHING ELSE, I WANT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE CITIZENS, WE CAN PIVOT AND WORK TO THE PARKS BOARD WE CAN WORK THROUGH COMMUNICATIONS.

PEOPLE HEAR THE CITY AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. I AM REALLY STRUGGLING TO SEE THE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE CITIZENS.

I THINK IT WOULD CAUSE MORE CONFUSION IF WE GO BACK AND PUT THEY ARE SAYING WE'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED 50 MILLION.

YOU AUTHORIZE YOU TO SPEND IT AND THEN WE'RE DEPENDING UPON YOU CITY COUNCIL AND YOU PARKS BOARD, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK WE WANT AND THEY CAN TELL US ABOUT HAVING -- AGAINST THE SUPPORT OF STRUGGLING WITH.

I REALLY DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT.

WHEN EVERYTHING IS ENCOMPASSED ALREADY.

>> DCS RAISING TAXES THE NEXT TWO OR THREE IS TO MAKE SURE

FRITZ PARK GETS DONE? >> WE MAY NOT HAVE TO.

GROWTH COMES IN, CAME BACK TO THE SAME CONCEPT.

IF WE GET ANOTHER 10 PERCENT GROWTH OF PEOPLE BY DEFINITION, YOU COULD TAKE 10 PERCENT MORE DEBT AND KEEP THE SAME RATE EVERYBODY ELSE LIVED THROUGH AND WE CAN DO IT THEN.

THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE PAYING LOTS OF MONEY FOR A 2040 COMP PLAN. WHICH INCLUDES, WHAT DO THE CITIZENS WANT? I DON'T WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS UNTIL WE GET THAT DONE BECAUSE WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE YOUR ANSWER ABOUT HOW WE PIVOT. ONE OF THE THREE BIGGEST THINGS, THE 2040 COMP PLAN IS THEY WANT THE POOL, THIS AND THAT. THEN, WE AS A GOVERNING BODY SAYS, WE KNOW PEOPLE WANT THAT BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF GROWING RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY SO WE WON'T BUILD IT IN 2022. WE LOOK AT THE NEW TAX RULES AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ECONOMY IN 2023.

IF IT MAKES SENSE FINANCIALLY WE CAN DO IT AND WE'VE SETTLED LAWSUITS AND GOT MONEY BACK, NOW WE DO THAT.

BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THE VOTERS FOR THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT THE VOTERS BECAUSE EVEN TO DAN'S POINT, EVEN IF THE VOTER SAID YES, WOULD WE BE DOING GROWING RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY IF I SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS THING.

I WOULD STILL SAY OUR EXPERTISE WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING IS GOING IN THE CITY, THAT THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ELECTED TO THEN TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT WE DO THOSE THINGS THAT WE WERE ELECTED TO GOVERN THE CITY BY, USING THE KNOWLEDGE, KNOWING THEY WANT IT AND WE HAD TO FIGURE THE TIMING.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO THE ROADS BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME.

THE THREE BOND MEASURES WILL LOOK AT THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE -- THE LOWEST WAS -- PEOPLE I THINK KIND OF TOLD US IN 2018 WHERE THE PARTIES ARE. EVERY TIME YOU LOOK AT FACEBOOK I SEE WITH THE PARTIES ARE NOW THAT SCHOOL IS STARTING.

PEOPLE WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED. AND I THINK THAT'S ON TOP OF EVERYBODY'S MIND. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE OUT FROM THE CITIZENS WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE BALLOT MEASURE. THAT IS MY INPUT.

>> WAIT FOR THIS TO BE FINISHED.

>> THIS COMPETENCY WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD COMES UP BY USING THE KNOWLEDGE I GOT FROM THE COMP PLAN WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THEN, GET INTO THE 23 BUDGET CYCLE. WE GOT THE CITY MANAGER UP TO SPEED, WE SEE WHERE WE ARE AND MOVE FORWARD.

AND HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE MORE GOING ON IN THE CITY.

LET'S TIE UP SOME OF THE PARK MONEY.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW LEGALLY IF WE CAN EVEN ISSUE NEW BONDS BECAUSE OF I THINK WE CAN DO ROADS AND OTHER STUFF BECAUSE -- ARE THAT WE KNOW WE COULD PROBABLY DO PARK BOND ISSUANCE.

>> WE ARE CONFUSION SOMETHING. THE PARK BONDS DID NOT HAVE THE ISSUE IT HAD THE ISSUE SO THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANY ROADS FOR THREE YEARS WAS BECAUSE OF A LEGAL ISSUE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE DOING ANY OTHER MAJOR --

>> THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> MAY I JUST SAY THAT WE HAVE SPENT SEVERAL HOURS TALKING ABOUT TAX RATES AND ROADS AND $40 MILLION TO FIX THE ROADS. AND HEARING LESTER'S PIECEMEAL

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THE ROADS, HE SMELLED THE ROADS.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT AND TELLING THEM THEIR TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT? WHIPLASH. LIKE, WHERE ARE WE AT? I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, I DO BELIEVE THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD SHOULD BE INVOLVED.

I JUST THINK RIGHT NOW IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME, WE HAVE BIGGER THINGS IN OUR PLATES THEN TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO PUT OUT ON BALLOT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED FOR.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE COULD JUST CALL A VOTE AND MOVE ON.

BUT, I AM JUST KIND OF DUMBFOUNDED THAT SOMEHOW, THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT HAS GONE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

>> DIDN'T YOU MAKE A MOTION? >> I HAD A MOTION TO TABLE IT.

>> WHEN A PERSON HAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN SUSPEND IF WE WANT. BUT IF A PERSON HAS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THEY GET TO AT LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM BEFORE SOMEONE TABLES IT.

IT IS ROBERT'S RULES. THERE WAS A TABLE IT CAME RIGHT UP BEFORE A WORD WAS SAID. WE PAUSED ON THAT BECAUSE WE SPOKE ON IT. NOW CAN OPEN THE FLOOR TO A MOTION TO TABLE ANYTHING ELSE, THERE COULD EVEN BE NO ACTION.

YOU CAN ALSO JUST NOT HAVE ACTION.

>> I MAKE THE MOTION TO TABLE THE ITEM.

INDEFINITELY. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. TABLE THIS ITEM INDEFINITELY.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? >> MY ONLY THOUGHT IS, ROBERTS RULES, WHEN YOU TABLE SOMETHING, THE INTENT IS TO PICK IT UP AGAIN. YOU'RE LAYING IT ON THE TABLE WITH THE INTENT TO CONSIDER IT AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER THIS AGAIN.

THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO TABLE IT JUST NO ACTION AND

MOVE ON. >> I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION

TO TABLE. >> WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? THAT WASN'T THAT BAD. JUST A NICE POLITE COUNSEL

[10.6. Public Hearing, Discussion, and Council Instructions to Staff on the Draft Drought Contingency Plan Update (Wayne Watts)]

DISCUSSION. NEXT ONE IS A LITTLE CRAZY.

10.6. PUBLIC HEARING, DISCUSSION, AND COUNCIL INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF ON THE DRAFT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANUPDATE . WAYNE, WE GOT YOU IN BEFORE

MIDNIGHT, CONGRATULATIONS. >> WAYNE WATTS, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN -- WITH PARTICULAR REGARD FOR DOMESTIC WATER USE SANITATION AND ESPECIALLY FIRE PROTECTION.

IN ORDER TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY. WITH WATER SUPPLY EMERGENCIES.

TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE TITLE 30 PART ONE CHAPTER 288 SUBCHAPTER B REQUIRES ALL RETAIL WATER PROVIDERS HAVE A DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBCHAPTER B AND TO UPDATE CONTINGENCY PLANS AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. AS PER THE HUTTO CODE OF ORDINANCES LAST UPDATE OF HUTTO DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN WAS ADOPTED ON APRIL 16, 2015. SINCE THE UPDATE, THE CITY HAS PURCHASED IS THE LARGEST WHOLESALE WATER PROVIDER, THE HEART OF TEXAS WATER SYSTEM. THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS THE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE PURCHASE AND COMPLY WITH THE STATE-MANDATED UPDATE FREQUENCY.

-- WAS SELECTED TO PERFORM THE WORK BASED ON FAMILIARITY WITH THE CITIES WATER SYSTEM. ACQUIRED DURING YOUR ONGOING WORK ON THE HUTTO WATER MASTER PLAN.

WE NEGOTIATED A CONTRACTED SCOPE OF WORK FOR A PRICE BASED ON TIME AND MATERIALS. NOT TO EXCEED $23,000.

WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING JULY 12.

WE AGREED THE DELIVERY DATE OF THE DRAFT CONTINGENCY PLAN WOULD BE ON AUGUST 15. AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO SEEK YOUR INPUT AND DISCUSS THE PLAN WITH YOU AND ADDRESS ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE. ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE MOST OF THE

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PUBLIC IS GONE NOW. SO, WITH THAT I WANT TO HAVE MR. ADAM CONNOR WITH FREEZING NICHOLS, PEOPLE GO THROUGH PRESENTATION.FTER THE PRESENTATION, IF THERE ANY COMMENTS WE LIKE TO HEAR THEM. MR. CONNOR AND I WILL BE AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS THE UPDATE WITH YOU GUYS AND SEEK YOUR INPUT AND INSTRUCTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ADAM? >> MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD EVENING. I'M THRILLED TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL, SHARE THE VISION WE'VE HAD ON POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO YOUR WATER RESTRICTIONS DURING DROUGHT.

IT IS BEEN A VERY COLLABORATIVE APPROACH THAT WE'VE USED WITH STAFF. WITH STAFF MEMBERS FROM OPERATIONS UTILITY MANAGEMENT, COMMUNICATIONS, CONSERVATION PLANNERS, ALL WEIGHED IN ON WHAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE FOUR PILLARS POINTED OUT TONIGHT. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, PERHAPS THE HIPPO IN THE ROOM. THANK GOD FOR TODAY'S RAIN.

TO THE MANAGERS POINT. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE FORESIGHT THAT YOU'VE HAD TO REVISIT WHAT YOU CAN CONTROL IN DROUGHT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ASK OF YOUR CITIZENS DURING A DROUGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL GET STARTED.

I WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON PURPOSE BECAUSE WAYNE KIND OF COVERED THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AND UPDATING YOUR PLAN. JUST THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THIS DROUGHT STAGE WE ARE IN. BUT REALLY I'LL TRY TO DIG INTO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR YOU ALL.O CONSIDER. TODAY JUST A CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL APPROVAL. AS WE MENTIONED, FIREFLY WAS A BIG PART OF WATER OPERATIONS IN GENERAL.

PARTICULARLY IN DROUGHT. WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU ALL GOT YOUR RATING, IT'S ALL PART OF THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY, PART OF REEVALUATING YOUR WATER RESTRICTIONS IS FIGURING OUT WHICH CUSTOMER CLASSES NEED TO BE DOING THEIR FAIR SHARE. AS WELL AS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW EQUIPPED ARE YOU TO HANDLE DROUGHT, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET DEMAND, THERE IS A PICTURE OF LAKE MEAD AND SO, RECENTLY THEY'VE HAD TO REALLY CUT BACK SOME STATE USAGE AND THAT IS ALL TO SAY THAT AN OUNCE OF PREPARATION GOES A LONG WAY AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT HUTTO IS GETTING AHEAD OF THE GAME. ONE OF THE THINGS IS BEEN COMING UP IN QUESTIONS IS, ANYTIME WE DO A DROUGHT PLAN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS IN LINE WITH YOUR WHOLESALERS AS POSSIBLE WHEN YOU HAVE THREE WHOLESALERS IS NOT ALWAYS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. BUT THE MANAGER WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT MAKING SURE WHATEVER WE PROPOSE AND POTENTIALLY APPROVE, IS AS CLOSE TO POSSIBLE AS WILL THE DIFFERENT THREE FLAVORS YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU.

THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR HUTTO COMPARED TO MANDEL, TAYLOR AND JONAS. STAGE ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME.

STAGE II, ALSO THERE IS MANDEL STAYS INVOLUNTARY BUT THE OTHER THREE INCLUDING WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR YOUR WOULD BE A MANDATORY NO MORE THAN TWICE PER WEEK WATERING.

IN STAGE II. THE BIG CHANGE THAT WE RECOMMENDED IS IN STAGE III TO MOVE TO ONCE PER WEEK.

IT IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR MEDIUM TO LARGE CITIES.

AND GROWING COMMUNITIES LIKE YOU ALL.

IT IS ALSO IN LINE WITH WHAT MANVILLE IS IN IN STAGE III.

STAGE IV, YOU CAN SEE OUTDOORS PROHIBITED FOR MOST OF THE UTILITIES AND WE KINDA RECONFIGURED TO HAVE WE HAVE MOVED THE SUSPENSION OF NEW CONNECTIONS TO STAGE V, IT WAS IN STAGE III. IT WAS CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND THE PREVIOUS VERSION. I DON'T KNOW THIS IS YOUR PROTOCOL BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.

IF YOU WANT TO HOLD UNTIL THE END THAT'S FINE.

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JUST A SUMMARY OF KIND OF WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO ACHIEVE AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE IS BALANCING THAT POTENTIALLY COMPETING INTEREST AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS EXPAND GIVING CUSTOMERS OR CITIZENS FLEXIBILITY, AS WELL AS UTILITY AND OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY AS WELL AS BEING A GOOD RESOURCE AND STEWARD OF YOUR RESOURCE WHICH IS YOUR WATER.

THERE IS A RUNDOWN OF I GUESS WHAT MATTERS TO YOU ALL IS WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOUR CITIZENS, THERE IS SOME HAND WATERING CLARIFIED TO BE KIND OF IN STAGES ONE THROUGH THREE ALLOWED AT ANY TIME. I THINK THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST.

WE'VE KIND OF RELAXED THE POOL RULES.

WE THOUGHT IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN AND ADDED SOME VARIANCES AND ALSO, WE HAVE CLARIFIED THE WATER ALLOCATION. SOME NEXT STEPS HERE.

WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS YOURSELVES, INC. COMMENTS THAT WE HEAR THE PLAN IS TO GO TO THE SEPTEMBER 15 COUNCIL MEETING FOR POTENTIAL APPROVAL AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW PLAN.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT ABOUT WHEN DOES IT GO INTO EFFECT? WHEN, WHAT STAGE ARE YOU IN AT THAT TIME OF APPROVAL? IT ALL NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT PEARSON REQUIREMENTS, PROVISIONS, NOT REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING THE EXTRA MILE AND VERY WISE TO DO SO. WE HAVE VARIANT PROCEDURES THE INITIATION AND TERMINATION OF STAGES NEED TO BE CLEARLY OUTLINED. THE MEASURES THAT YOU WILL ASK CITIZENS TO BE FERMENTING AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT HOW YOU WILL ENFORCE THE PLAN. AND ALL THESE SATISFIED IN THE OLD PLAN BECAUSE THEY APPROVED IT AND THE NEW PLAN ALSO SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS. I WILL JUST QUICKLY BREEZED THROUGH THIS. WE NEED TO HAVE DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS SO HERE'S A GRAPH THAT SHOWS YOU THE REST DROUGHT MONITOR SHOWING YOU GO BACK TO 2008 THE DIFFERENCE DROUGHT STAGES IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN PARTICULAR.

YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE 2011 DROUGHT.

YOU CAN SEE STARTING TO FLARE UP IN 2022.

SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE PERCENTAGES HOW MUCH OF THE COUNTY IS IN THESE DIFFERENT, BY AREA IS IN DIFFERENT STAGES COLOR-CODED. ZEROING AND MORE RECENTLY SINCE JULY, YOU CAN SEE IN JULY THAT WE WERE KIND OF ON THE FRINGES OF SEVERE DROUGHT. IN AUGUST WE STARTED EXTREME DROUGHT APPROACHING AND NOW, BEFORE TODAY WE HAD EXCEPTIONAL DROUGHT MOVING IN FROM THE WEST.

JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF PUT YOURSELF IN CONTEXT HERE.

AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDING, I BELIEVE Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR PACKET A REDLINE VERSION OF THE CHANGES WE ARE RECOMMENDING. I WANTED TO START BY, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNEW THIS BUT I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY YOUR COMMUNICATION STAFF IS WORLD-CLASS IN THIS DROUGHT AND ROLLING OUT THE STAGES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

THE TOOLS THAT THEY VIEWS HAVE JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL.

I REALLY BEEN IMPRESSED BY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IN THE PLANET SO WE WANTED TO FORMALIZE THAT THAT WAS WHAT YOU WILL DO. A LITTLE DATED, DIDN'T MENTION SOME OF THESE THINGS SO YELLOW GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO. WE'RE JUST FORMALIZING THAT.

THE TRIGGERS WE'VE KIND OF LOWERED AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND, TO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO GO INTO THE STAGE SOONER IF YOU WANTED TO. EAST OF CITY MANAGER DISCUSSION AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. IT IS SOMETHING WE ADDED.

WE ALSO REDUCE YOUR NUMBER STAGES FROM 6 TO 5. AGAIN, TO TRY AND GET YOU MORE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER THREE UTILITIES, PLANS, NONE OF THEM HAD SIX STAGES.

HERE'S A LOOK AT THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.

YOUR DAILY PRODUCTION NUMBERS. I SHOW THIS SO YOU CAN SEE, I WILL ZOOM IN ON THE PEAK DEMAND SITUATIONS.

SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THESE LINES REPRESENT -- THE LIGHTER LINES HIGHER UP IN THE CHART THERE, SHOW YOU WHEN YOU TRIGGER STAGE WHEN USING THE CURRENT PLAN. YOU CAN SEE PRETTY CLEARLY, STAGE ONE WOULD, ACTUALLY WOULD BE TRIGGERED BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS.

JUST ONE WAY OF SAYING THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE YOU ALL THE ABILITY TO ENTER STAGES WHEN WE THINK IS MORE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. JUST FROM FEEDBACK FROM

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OPERATIONS THAT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IS WHEN THEY START REALLY NEEDING TO REALLY RATCHET UP

RESTRICTIONS.>> JUST A MOMENT OF CLARITY.

I MAY NOT HAVE HEARD YOU SAY IT.

THE LINES OUT THERE THAT SAY STAGE ONE, STAGE II AND STAGE III THAT ARE FATED, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING PLANS AND IN THE

DARK LINES THE PROPOSED PLAN. >> CORRECT.

AND PERCENTAGES ARE BASICALLY COOPERATING PER CAPACITY.

75 TO 85 IS A LITTLE BIT MORE TYPICAL OF WHAT WE SEE IN CITIES THAT USE THAT TYPE OF TRIGGER.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET YOU MORE IN LINE WITH THAT.

THE OTHER THREE WHOLESALERS HAVE, THE TRIGGERS ARE ALL IN DIFFERENT PLACES SO LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ALIGN WITH THEM

HOW THEY GO IN STAGES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION BACK ON THAT. THIS CAN BE TRIGGERED NOT NECESSARILY FROM A DROUGHT BUT IF WE ARE LIKE USING A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER FOR ANOTHER REASON THAT COULD ALSO TRIGGER.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE METEOROLOGICAL OR HYDROLOGIC RELATED.

WE HAVE ADDED THE NUMBER OF TYPES OF TRIGGERS THAT CAN BE USED AS WELL TO GIVE MORE UTILITY FLEXIBILITY.

>> IF WE INCREASE CAPACITY, THESE PROPOSED NUMBERS CHANGE?

>> YES. THEY WERE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT NOT IDENTIFYING WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'RE SUCH A FAST GROWING COMMUNITY. WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD FLEX INTO. BUT WE DEFINE WHAT THE CAPACITY MEANS SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND UTILITY PARTICULARLY KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE.

THIS NEXT GRAPH, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

IT IS REALLY MEANT TO SHOW YOU USING THE NEW TRIGGERS, AND BASED ON YOUR PRODUCTION ON THESE DAYS, GOING BACK TO JUNE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD HAVE TRIGGERED STAGE ONE, TWO OR THREE. WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CONSISTENT AND NOT FLUCTUATING.

-- YOU DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT FIRST TABLE, MR. JAMES EARP DOES WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH ISSUING PRESS RELEASES AND THINGS, GOING TO COUNSEL EVERY MONTH.

THERE'S A WHIPLASH EFFECT TO CUSTOMERS.

WHAT YOU GENERALLY DO IS FILL IN THE GAPS AND MAINTAIN A NET STAGE. WE'VE AMENDED THAT.

HIS LOVE DELIBERATION. OTHER THINGS WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF VARIANCES. WE ADDED A ONCE A WEEK WATERING THAT COULD BE SEEN AS RESTRICTIVE TO YOUR CITIZENS.

WE THOUGHT, LET'S GIVE THEM SOMETHING AND THINK OF MORE COMMON VARIANCES THAT CAN BE REQUESTED.

YOU CAN SEE LIST THAT WE HAVE. WE GOT FORMS THAT THE CITY CAN USE TO GO FROM. ON THE ACTION SIDE OF THINGS, MEASURES WE ARE ASKING CHANGES THE MEASURES, WE CLARIFIED WATERING HOURS AND ADDED SOME HOURS.

WE WOULD THINK THAT MIGHT INCREASE WATER USAGE BUT ACTUALLY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY. IT ACTUALLY COULD SPREAD OUT AND REDUCE THE PEAK.IT IS MORE IN LINE, IT IS A 10 AM CUTTER FOR THE MORNING VERSUS 6:00 A.M..

10 NAME IS MORE COMMON. AGAIN, WE'VE ADDED ONCE PER WEEK IN STAGE III. WE'VE ACTUALLY OPTIMIZE YOUR TWICE PER WEEK STAGE II DAYS SO YOU'RE NOT PEEKING AS MUCH.

THEY'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AGAIN, RELAXED RULES AND AGAIN, HAND WATERING, THAT SHOULD SAY STAGE ONE THROUGH THREE. WE HAD TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN

FOUR AND FIVE. >> THE LAST BULLET, SHOULD SAY WATERING WITH HOSE AND SPRINKLERS?

>> YES, GOOD CATCH. >> I DID NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND

WHAT THAT MEANT. >> THAT IS ALL I HAD FOR YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE HOW INTERACTIVE THIS HAS BEEN. I LIKE SEEING ENGAGED COUNCILMEMBERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF

OR WAYNE? >> I LIKE THE UPDATED CHANGES.

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I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOOD. THE ONLY THING I HAD IS WHEN YOU GO TO STAGE V VERSUS 12,000 GALLONS PER METER UNIT, THAT WOULD FIT PRETTY MUCH ANY FAMILY OF FOUR.

EVEN IF USER RECOMMENDED RATE OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE, THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY DO HAVE MORE PEOPLE. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING IN THE HOUSEHOLD THAT MIGHT BE HARD TO HIT? WHERE AS YOU KNOW, A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, 12,000 GALLONS, NO PROBLEM BUT IF YOU HAVE A LARGER HOME THIS GOT SIX PEOPLE LIVING IN IT, YOU ARE ALREADY GOING ABOVE.

THAT WOULD BE BELOW EVEN THE RECOMMENDED USAGE OF WATER THAT A FAMILY OF SIX WOULD HAVE BASED ON THE US RATE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, WE WANT A NUMBER.

AND IT MAKES SENSE BUT IS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A POLICY WHERE IS MORE GALLONS PER HOUSE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> YES, I WILL TAKE THAT ONE, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, YES, CERTAINLY WE CONSIDER LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THE ISSUE WE ENCOUNTER, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN EACH HOUSEHOLD.

THAT IS NOT USUALLY DATA THAT PEOPLE REPORT IN THE FORM OR FASHION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TRACK.

WE HAD TO GO WITH WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY TRACK AND THEN THERE IS THE REALITY OF HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO ACTUALLY ADMINISTER THAT. WITHOUT CUTOFF VALVES OR SOMETHING THAT ALREADY AUTOMATIC ON THE SYSTEM.

WHEN WE GET TO STAGE V, IF WE EVER GET TO STAGE V, IT IS SERIOUS ENOUGH TO THINK EVERYBODY WILL BE PAYING REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO HOW MUCH WATER THEY ARE USING.

>> THE VAST MAJORITY OF ESSAYS LIKE TWO THIRDS OF THE CITY

OPERATES ON -- >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET 12,000 MAY BE A HOT TUB. HAVE TEENAGE KIDS THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A BILL IS. EVERYONE HAS TO SHOWER THREE TIMES A DAY. WE ARE LIKE 7000 OR 6000.

>> ONE LOAD OF CLOTHES FOR SOCK.

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS US COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE? WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO IS, ONE THING I NOTICED WHEN WE HAD TO FREEZE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WATER SYSTEM THERE ON. THEY WOULD CALL ME AND SAY, I'M ON HUTTO, CAN I DRINK IT? AND I SAY WHERE ARE YOU? YOU ARE NOT ON HUTTO YOU ARE MANVILLE.

AND ANOTHER PERSON NO, YOU ARE ON JONAH.

AT A LONG-TERM GOAL TO TRY AND WORK WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO MAKE IN OUR INSTANCE, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THEY ARE WERE RIGHT IN LINE MAYBE WE COULD DO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT WE CONTROL THE STAGES BASED ON THEM SOMEHOW. BECAUSE THE LIVER GOT THE SET UP NOW, IF NO ONE KNOWS WHO'S ON HUTTO, HUTTO PUT THE THING OUT THEN THE PEOPLE IN MANVILLE ARE PACKING ACHING BECAUSE I CANNOT WATER MY PLANTS WILL DIE AND IT'S LIKE NO, YOU ARE OKAY.

AND SO UNDER KNOW IF THERE'S, THINK A LONG-TERM THING.

I DID MAKE THREE WATER SYSTEMS EQUAL ONE.

AS WE ARE TRYING TO TALK AND COME TO RESOLUTION THAT WHEN HUTTO GOES TO, WHEN TRAN FOCUSES STAGE II SODAS HUTTO.

IF WE WORK IT OUT WHERE WE ARE KIND OF ALL ON THE SAME PLAYBOOK WHEN ONE GOES, WILL GO TOGETHER.

THE OTHER THING I HAD, I BELIEVE IT WAS STAGE IV AND STAGE V. THE CITY COUNCIL SOMEHOW GETS INVOLVED BUT THEN THE CITY MANAGER DISCRETION TO END IT.

I WONDER WAS CITY COUNCIL GOT INVOLVED.

I WOULD RATHER US NOT BE INVOLVED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY OR NOT BE INVOLVED AT ALL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD DO BUT IF WE SAID WE WANTED TO BE IN STAGE IV, OR STAGE V BUT THE CITY MANAGER SAYS NO.

IT SEEMS LIKE -- >> THEN THERE'S A NEW CITY MANAGER. [LAUGHTER]

>> IS A REASON CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN ADDED INTO THE MIX?

>> GENERALLY, FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER.

GENERALLY WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING IS THE STAFF IS USUALLY ONE THAT TRIGGERS THE DECISION BASED OFF OF THE NUMBERS.

IT IS REALLY MATHEMATICAL FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT THEN STAFF PRESENT COUNSEL TO ALERT FOR THE BODY CORPUS.

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THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THE STEP FROM 4 TO 5. SUSPENDS ALL NEW METERS BEING CONNECTED AND IT HAS FAR-REACHING IMPLICATIONS.

MORATORIUM, IS A WHOLE ANOTHER STEP.

GENERALLY, STEP IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT WOULD SAY LET'S DO THAT.HEY WOULD BE THE ONE SAYING WE NEED TO ACT A MORATORIUM AND HERE'S WHY. COUNSEL WOULD TAKE ACTION.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU, IT SHOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER DISCRETION TO REDUCE IT OUT OF STAGE V. BUT TO GO TO STAGE II TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD AND START STAGE II, AND THEN WE PRESENT COUNSEL THIS USUALLY MEANS THE CITY MANAGER

DISCRETION. >> IF COUNSEL AGREES TO GO, COUNSEL SHOULD BE AGREEING. [INAUDIBLE]

>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE, YES.

WE CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST WEIRD BECAUSE IT ALMOST JUST SEEMS WEIRD.

>> SURE. AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A DRAFT DOCUMENT. IT IS FOR FEEDBACK ON PURPOSES TO IDENTIFY THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WHILE I'M SPEAKING I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THIS COMES BACK SEPTEMBER 1 WILL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE SURE IT IS EARLIER IN THE AGENDA. SO THE PUBLIC IS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE FEEDBACK IF THEY SO DESIRE.

>> I HAVE ONE REQUEST THAT WILL MAKE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR FUTURE. BUT THIS IS ONE OF MANY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE NOT UPDATED.

I WOULD LIKE A LIST FROM STAFF OF EVERY SPECIFICATION THAT IS CURRENTLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW SO WE CAN START

FIXING THEM. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU TALK

ABOUT. >> EXAMPLE THIS ONE IS SUPPOSED BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.

WE ARE IN SEVERE DROUGHT AND WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2015 SHOULD BEEN UPDATED IN 2020. OR IF YOU HAD A MAJOR CHANGE, THE WATER SYSTEM. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES WHERE I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN? WE HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE LIFT FROM STAFF, GO THROUGH ANY ONE OF THEM AND SAY, WE GOT 10 THAT ARE CURRENTLY OBSOLETE. OR SUNSET IT AND NEED TO BE UPDATED. AND THEN EXPECT STAFF TO DO THEM ALL IN A MONTH. BUT WE CAN START WORKING ON LIST AND GET US BACK IN STATE COMPLIANCE ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE I'M TIRED. WE DIDN'T EVEN --

>> THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ASKED LEGAL TO GO THROUGH AND DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO BE DONE.

SO WE HAVE THAT IN THE WORKS. >> OKAY.

>> WE CAN UPDATE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY. >> THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING THE DROUGHT PLAN AND CONSERVATION PLAN OUT OF COMPLIANCE. IT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT FUNDING. JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

>> HE MEANS THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WHICH IS USUALLY WHERE YOU GO TO ASK FOR LOWER SUBSIDIZED BOND FUNDS IN

ORDER TO DO PROJECTS. >> CLARIFICATION ON NUMBER FOUR. 133 SAYS, HAND HELD HOSES ALLOWED ANY TIME, -- PEOPLE WITH POTTED PLANTS CANNOT WATER

THOSE? >> THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN MORE DETAIL THERE. IT DOES ALLOW HAND WATERING.

>> CAN WE PUT PICTURES? I KNOW IT WILL SOUND DUMB BUT HAND HELD HOSES ARE ALLOWED. CAN I PUT LIKE AN ATTACHMENT ON AND USE IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? LIKE YOUR THUMB OR JUST TO TURN ON A DROP THE HOLES IN THE YARD AND COME BACK A FEW HOURS

LATER. >> YOU GOT TO HOLD IT.

YOU HAVE TO STAND THERE. >> IT MUST BE HELD.

>> IF YOU WANT TO STAND OUT FOR TWO HOURS, SURE.

>> DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE TO HANDHOLD IT, OR IS A HANDHELD HOSE MEETING REGULAR GARDEN HOSE.

>> IT NEEDS TO BE HELD BY HAND.

>> MAY BE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.

>> THERE IS A DEFINITION SECTION WE CAN CLARIFY WHAT IT

MEANS. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE EMAILED ME AND MESSAGED ME ASKING WHAT HANDHELD WASN'T GOODIES AND SPRINKLER OUTSIDE. AND I THINK IT MEANS THIS.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT IT MAY MEAN THAT.

JUST RELAX ON THE WATER USAGE. >> I WILL COMMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN A GREAT RESPONSE. I AM AMAZED AT THE RESPONSE WE

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HAVE SEEN FROM PEOPLE. IT IS SIGNIFICANT.

YESTERDAY WAS A 2.7 MILLION GALLONS, TODAY'S A PEAK DAY REPEAT PERIOD FROM 10 O'CLOCK WEDNESDAY UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK THURSDAY, THOSE OF THE MEASUREMENT TIMES FOR DAILY USAGE. TODAY WAS 3.3, THE $600,000 A GALLON DIFFERENCE. THAT'S THE ONE PEAK DAY BUT WE ALSO CHANGING WATERING TIMES. SO THAT WAS SPREAD THE PEAK OUT. IF WE GET IN TROUBLE AT 3-POINTER LEVEL WE START LOSING LEVELS AND IT'S HARD TO KEEP IT. TAKING MEASURES TO TRY AND IMPROVE THAT, LESSEN THE PEAK DAY CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE.

>> ELECTED TO ABOUT THE ALL-ENCOMPASSING COMMUNICATION THAT YOU BROUGHT UP MIKE. I WONDER IF MAYBE A FASTER FIX.

THIS MIGHT BE ON THE WEBSITE BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTIVE MAPS ON THE WEBSITE.

IS THERE ONE THAT WHENEVER WE PUT OUT THESE COMMUNICATIONS, HERE IS A LINK, CLICK AND THE INTERACTIVE MAP.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT CC YOU ARE IN.

I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THIS SO IT MIGHT BE AN EASY LINK URL, I KNOW WHY PAY MY BILL TO. WHAT I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT DON'T, IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE, YOU CLICK IT AND IS THE GIS MAP WE ALREADY HAVE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE ONE ALL-ENCOMPASSING COMMUNICATION AND WE CAN MOVE THAT WAY BUT JUST KIND OF MORE IMMEDIATE, THAT MIGHT BE AN EASIER WAY FOR PEOPLE NOT TO HAVE TO DIG AROUND FOR WHAT DO I HAVE AND I CANNOT FIND THE RIGHT MAP.

>> AND CURRENTLY SAY WHAT STAGE IT IS AND ON THE MAP.

>> THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB PUSHING THINGS OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. ALL THE DIFFERENT FORMS OF SOCIAL MEDIA. AND THEY CAN DO THAT AND AS FAR AS PUSHING THE, THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE INTERACTIVE GIS.

THEY CAN CHECK. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> A QUESTION JAMES.

BACK TO THE WINTER STORM AND IF YOUR WATER WAS GOING TO BE CUT OFF OR NOT, THE COMMUNICATION OR BOIL WATER NOTICES.

THE CITY DOES THE BOIL WATER NOTICES OR IS IT TC Q?

>> NO. >> WHICH ONE DOES IT?

>> TC Q REQUIRES THE BOIL WATER NOTICES BASED ON CERTAIN CRITERIA. BUT IS UTILITY ITSELF WHETHER IT BE A CITY OR WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION OR WHATEVER THAT

DECLARES THE BOIL WATER. >> SO IT IS YOUR DECISION AT

THAT POINT. >> A DECISION IN THE SENSE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE TRIGGERS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED, THE TRIGGERS HAVE BEEN MET TO REQUIRE IT, CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SHOULD 11.3 COME FIRST? ABOUT WHAT THE BOND TOTAL SHOULD BE BEFORE WE SET RATES? OR DO WE JUST WANT TO SET RATES

AND BACK INTO THE BOND? >> THE FIRST WAS JUST A MAX RATE. SO DEPENDING ON WHERE WE VOTE FOR THAT, THAT CAN BE FOR DISCUSSION MAYBE.

>> WE ALL OKAY WITH DOING THE BOND DISCUSSION FIRST AND THEN

RATES? >> THE FIRST WAS JUST CALLING A HEARING ON THE BUDGET. IT IS JUST A CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS REQUIRED.

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-074 calling and setting a public hearing on September 1, 2022, at 7:00 PM on the proposed budget for fiscal year 2022-2023. (Angie Rios)]

>> 11.2 IS THE MAX RATE. >> YES.

>> 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. R-2022-074 CALLING AND SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2022, AT 7:00 PM ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HARRY NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[11.3. Consideration and possible action directing staff to provide notice of intent to issue General Obligation Bonds, Series 2022. (Angie Rios)]

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NEXT ITEM 11.3, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, SERIES 2022. MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF 20 MILLION. SECOND?

AND IT DIES. >> I DO THINK THAT YOU ARE TOO LOW. I WILL MAKE THE SAME MOTION IN

THE AMOUNT OF 30 MILLION. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, DIRECTING STAFF TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2022 IN THE AMOUNT OF 30 MILLION. SECOND? I WILL SECOND. DISCUSSION?

ON THAT MOTION. >> WILL ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.

IS THE INTENT FOR THE ISSUANCE TO BE 30 MILLION OR FOR THE NET PROCEEDS TO BE 30 MILLION? THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> COUNCILMEMBER? >> THE ISSUANCE OF 30 MILLION.

>> I THINK THAT COVERS THE AMOUNT THAT COULD BE SPENT, COVERS ISSUANCE COST AND GIVES A FAIRLY DECENT SIZED KATTY KAY SOME PROJECTS CAN BE ACCELERATED.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> A QUESTION. WHAT DOES IT DO, IF ANYTHING, TO YOUR PLAN? WHAT YOU CURRENTLY PLAN TO DO

43 SO WHAT'S TO DO? >> WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, AFTER HAVE THE NET PROCEEDS FROM THE BONDS, WHICH WILL BE A NUMBER LESS THAN 30, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF ISSUANCE COST AND OTHER THINGS AND PRICING. WHAT WE DO IS START WITH THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO FUND, THAT WILL BE THE LOOP PROJECTS, THE ONES THAT RAN THE 2018 BOND, MY BRAIN IS STARTING TO STOP WORKING. BOND CALL FOR 2018.

THOSE ITEMS WOULD HAVE TO BE FUNDED AND THE MONEY SET ASIDE.

THE REMAINDER WOULD BE THE PROJECTS ON THE LIST, TIER 1.

WE WOULD GO DOWN THE DESIGN DOLLARS.

MATCHED BY WHATEVER DESIGN DOLLARS WE WOULD HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THE BUDGET. FOR THE GENERAL FUND SIDE AND THEN PULL THE TRIGGER AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE COULD FUNCTIONALLY FUND WITH THE REMAINING DOLLARS.

>> DO YOU FEEL ANYTHING WOULD GET PUSHED OUT FROM THE CURRENT PLAN? YOU HAVE TIME LIMITS OF WHAT

YOU THINK YOU CAN DO. >> WHEN I ASKED WADE TO PRODUCE FOR ME, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT HE FELT LIKE IF WE WERE, TO SAY WE COULD EITHER BEGIN THE DESIGN, IT WILL BE DONE WITHIN THE YEAR WE COULD BEGIN CONSTRUCTION AND DECONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE YEAR. THAT'S WHERE THE NEW BOND NUMBER THAT WAS SHOWN BY ANGIE TONIGHT, CAME FROM.

WHICH WAS THE 34 ROUGHLY NUMBER IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

THAT DID LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELTA FOR OTHER POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD DO YEAR TWO.

THAT IS THE NUMBER. IF IT IS LESS THAN THE 34 SOMETHING ALSO BE MOVED OR WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO

FUND IT WITH THE GENERAL FUND. >> HE SAID 34.

I THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS 30? >> ARE PRESENTED 37.

>> SORRY, 37 WAS THE NUMBER. >> FIRST YEAR, YOU CAN SPEND MONEY OUTSIDE OF ONE YEAR. HOW COME AFTER THE FIRST YEAR AND SAYS, MONTH AND 14.86, HEIDI SPEND DOUBLE THAT IN THE

2023 YEAR? >> I WILL ASK WADE TO DEFEND THE MAP BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO PRODUCE THE NUMBERS.

>> CONSTRUCTION STARTS ON A LOT OF THE PROJECTS.

>> AND YOU REMEMBER THE THREE -- THEY HAVE TO BE FULLY FUNDED

FIRST. >> 11 1/2, ALSO 3 MILLION IN THE 37 MILLIONS TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND IF YOU WANTED TO FOR THE COST FOR THE THREE PROJECTS ALREADY PAID.

THEY'VE BEEN COVERING THE DESIGN FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF

YEARS. >> I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES IN

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FRONT OF ME. BUT BASICALLY, TO GET TO THAT NUMBER, WE PULLED OUT THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE SHOWN EARLIER THAT COULD BE FUNDED IN THE GENERAL FUND, SIDEWALKS FOR EXAMPLE. ALSO PULLED OUT SOME OF THE DESIGN COSTS ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL TRY AND GET THE OVERALL NUMBER DOWN. AND ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT EXAMPLE ON THE 1660 PROJECT IN A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT HAD A SHORTER DESIGN DURATION THAT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS IN HAND TO BE ABLE TO WEAR THE PROJECTS.

LATER ON IN THE FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S HOW THE NUMBER WAS ARRIVED. TO THE MANAGERS POINT, IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT COUNSEL WISHES TO MOVE FORWARD

ON, WE CAN ADJUST THE LIST. >> THE NUMBERS 37.

>> TO GO BACK THE 3 MILLION AS PART OF THAT?

>> YES. >> WHERE IS THAT 3 MILLION GOING IF IT REIMBURSES? WILL IT BE IN THE RESERVE?

>> IT WILL FALL TO THE BOTTOM LINE THE GENERAL FUND YEAR TWO.

>> EVERY RESERVE THAT EXCEEDS WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE.

HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSION OF WHERE IT SHOULD BE BUT IT WILL TAKE RESERVE THAT IS ALREADY ON THE HIGH-END AND MAKING HIGHER OR WE COULD DECIDE THAT 3 MILLION WAS ALREADY SPENT AND WE DON'T NEED TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND.

WE COULD REDUCE TO 34, NOT DO THE REIMBURSEMENT AND NOT AFFECT ANYTHING, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WOULD NOT AFFECT THE ABILITY -- THINK -- WAS A MILLION IN THE LEASE WHAT WAS ORANGE.I THINK ANOTHER MILLION WAS THE LIVE OAK WHICH I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING THAT NUMBER BIGGER. THAT RIGHT THERE WILL BE 2 MILLION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND WERE NOT TAKING BOND MONEY FOR THAT.

FOR ME, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE REIMBURSING 3 MILLION BUT WE ALREADY KNOW TO MILLION OF THAT WE ARE READY TO GO FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT PUTTING IT'S THE BOND PROJECT.

IT'S REALLY ONLY A NET OF A MILLION . AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND THE EXTRA MILLION COULD GO TOWARDS LIVE OAK AND WE ARE HALFWAY THERE. TO ME IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO

IT THAT WAY. >> AND THE BUDGET IS A MILLION FOR LIVE OAK. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, WE WANT TO DO THE WHOLE THING AND SO, DO WE TAKE THE MILLION AND NOT USING AND DELAY LIVE OAK A COUPLE OF YEARS? OR GO AHEAD AND WE READY DECREASED THE COST OF THE

STREET JUST BY DELAYING IT. >> WE CAN LEAVE THE THREE IN THERE AND NOT REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND BUT USE IT.

>> I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF REIMBURSING A GENERAL FUND THAT IS THREE AND HALF TIMES WHAT THE CHARTER IS ASKING FOR.

OR WE ARE DOING IS TAKING MORE MONEY FROM PEOPLE AND DROPPING IT TO THE BOTTOM. EVENTUALLY IT IS DIFFICULT TO COME DOWN FROM 65 BUT NEXT YEAR WE HAVE HUNDRED PERCENT FROM OUR RESERVES, WILL HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENT EACH YEAR AS WE

BUILD IT. >> CITY STAFF WILL GROW 14 POSITIONS WHICH MEANS YOUR RATE WILL DROP.

EVEN IF YOU ADDED NOTHING YOU GO SOME 60 FIVE GUYS BUT NOTHING WILL DROP TO 40 PERCENT.

OR 35. >> EACH YEAR, GROWING THROUGH HER PERCENT TAKES IT TO THAT -- OUT IN EVERY YEAR IN THESE POSITIONS AT SOME POINT, YOU ONLY NEED SO MANY ACCOUNTANTS TO HANDLE IT AND YOU CAN ONLY CUT THE GRASS SO MANY TIMES.

>> WE ARE READY HAVE MANAGED PROJECTS THAT WILL COME OFF OF THE GENERAL FUND LINE THAT PART OF THE CIP THAT THE INSURED IS ALREADY AT LEAST 2 MILLION. THAT IF WE HAD THE OTHER POTENTIALLY 2 TO 3 MILLION TO COMPLETE LIVE OAK THE RIGHT WAY, IT WILL BRING DOWN EVEN MORE.

>> THUS IF WE DO LIVE OAK. BOONE MADE THE DECISION EARLIER WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT ON THE CIP LIST.

>> IT IS NUMBER FOUR. >> JUST A REPAVE.

NOT THE FULL THING. >> RIGHT AND THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED. I THINK WAS ORANGE, TO MOVE BACK THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT GO OUT FOR BOND SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD GROW THE RESERVE.

IT'S ALREADY IN THEIR LISTING WERE TAKEN OF THE BOND MONEY AND TAKING THE RESERVE, WOULDN'T REALLY BE GROWING.

>> MOTION IS 30 MILLION IN ISSUANCE MONEY.

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>> MY THOUGHT WERE JUST, WE HAD CITY STAFF, WE HAD CFO, WE HAD -- AND NICHOLS HAD PEOPLE SAY 43 MILLION WAS THE AMOUNT THEY ASKED FOR. I THINK WE DON'T DO THE 30, WE VOTE BUT THE INS, HAVE AN OPTION WHERE YOU CAN GET TOTAL TAX RATE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER AT EVERY DIFFERENT LEVEL. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DECIDE YOU WANT AN INTERSECTION, WE POSSIBLY WANT THE PAVING OF LIVE OAK. WE KNOW THEY WILL BE OTHER ROADS RIGHT NOW THAT WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO GET REPAIRED TO GET OUT AND BID ON THIS YEAR. THEY WON'T BE LARGE BUT WILL START HAVING A FUNDING FOR AT LEAST TO START WITH MAINTENANCE. AND WE MAY HAVE TO KICKSTART THAT THE FIRST PART OF IT LARGER THAN THE OVERALL ONCE YOU GOT INTO THE HABIT OF DOING IT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD -- LIKE WHAT WE DISCUSSED

BEFORE. >> HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THAT BOND -- IT WAS APPROVED 50 MILLION, RIGHT?

>> 70. >> WHAT'S LEFT?

>> WE SHOULD 16 1/2. >> 53 AND HALF?

>> 52 1/2, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> WHAT IS 6 MILLION BETWEEN FRIENDS?

>> BECAUSE. [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS IF YOU HAVE A HOMESTEAD, YOU'RE GETTING A TAX

REDUCTION. >> WE ARE NOT GETTING TO THAT

YET. >> WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE MONEY. THEY HAVE SHOWN THE CITY STAFF IF WE DO A 30 MILLION, THE 43 MILLION, EVERY PERSON AS A HOMESTEAD STILL, PROPERTY TAX GOES DOWN.

SO, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOUR LIKE LET'S DO IT, PIECEMEAL BUT WHATEVER, YOU -- THERE IS NO DEBATE WILL SPEND 43 MILLION BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.

>> THERE IS NO WAY THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND $42

MILLION. >> IS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

>> I DON'T THINK EVEN IN TWO YEARS.WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPEND 5 MILLION IN A YEAR AND 1/2.

>> WE TURN OVER ALL OF OUR STAFF, WE CHANGED THE CITY ENGINEER BROUGHT IN THE NEW CITY MANAGER, NEW CFO.

NEW PROJECT SPACE, BROUGHT IN NEW STAFF TO HANDLE THESE THINGS. TO CLAIM YOU'LL GET THE SAME RESULTS WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE IN CHARGE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

>> BECAUSE IT IS SUPPLY CHAIN. >> RIGHT I WOULD ARGUE THEN THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE MONEY READY TO START PLACING ORDERS NOW BECAUSE THE SUPPLY CHAIN IS GOING TO TAKE LONGER.

I KNOW FOR A FACT IN ANY CAPITALIZATION PROJECT THAT ORDERS HAD TO PUT THE MONEY AHEAD OF TIME TO GET FURTHER ON THE LIST ADD BECAUSE OF HIM PAYING THE BILL, THEY ARE BUMPING ME AHEAD OF SOMEBODY ELSE AND SAYS I WILL PAY 90 DAYS AFTER DELIVERY VERSUS I WILL PAY NET 30 AHEAD OF TIME.

AND WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT, WE MAY BILL TO GET AHEAD IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN AGAINST OTHER CITIES OR OTHER PROJECTS FROM OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY IN HAND TO ISSUE AND PAY IT.

I KNOW THIS IS HAPPENED OBSCENE IN OUR INDUSTRY MY OWN BUDGETING STUFF WHEN CAPITAL STUFF IS COMING OUT SO MONTHLY BUT PAYING UPFRONT, WE CAN PUT YOU IN NINE MONTHS AHEAD.

YOU WILL GET IN NINE MONTHS INSTEAD OF 12 BECAUSE ONCE I RECEIVE THAT I CAN ALLOCATE AS A RECEIVED FUNDING AND IS NO LONGER IN A HOLDING MONEY THING.

FOR COMPANY, YOU GOT THE MONEY TODAY, MONEY TALKS AND ALLOWS YOU TO GET SOME ADVANTAGES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE IN CAPACITY -- A FRIEND OF THE CITY CAN FULLY PAY FOR IT VERSUS THIS ONE THAT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WAIT 60 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MONEY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER PRODUCT FROM ANOTHER CITY THAT CAN PAY ME TODAY AND NOW YOU ARE NOT 60 DAYS OUT, AND I HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS BEFORE I CAN COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU.

I THINK RIGHT NOW, HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT WILL PAY INFINITESIMAL DIVIDENDS AND BE LOWER COST OVER TIME BECAUSE WERE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT, HAVING THAT FINANCIAL ABILITY. CURRENTLY WE HAVE A MOTION FOR 30 MAYBE THIS IS WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THAT.

>> ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE ROADBLOCKS.

TIRED OF HEARING THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE

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IS MONEY. THE FEAR OF THE PAST JUST CANNOT CONTINUE TO HAUNT US. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FEAR IS REAL AND THERE'S TRAUMA AND EVERYBODY LIVED THROUGH IT AND SAW IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, STAFF IS TELLING US THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED. ALL OF THESE ARE CRITICAL AND HAVE BEEN CRITICAL FOR YEARS. OUR HANDS ARE NO LONGER TIED ESSENTIALLY. I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT. I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR

OF THE 30 MILLION. >> I AGREE.

MORE MONEY IS NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE RATED ONE THROUGH THREE BUT IT DOESN'T CATEGORIZE THEM AS IMPORTANT VERSUS LESS IMPORTANT.

THE TOP THREE, 79 -- THOSE THREE ARE 100 PERCENT BUT THE OTHER ONES, REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE TWO OR THREE NEXT TO THE NUMBER, ISAAC SAID THAT THEY ARE EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT IN GETTING DONE. THAT NO ONE IS SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER. SO, WE NEED, IT IS TIME FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE CITY HAS BEEN UNABLE TO FUND BIG PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLAN. WE ARE AT AN INTERESTING CROSSROADS AND THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY.

MOVING FORWARD. AND FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY SEE PROGRESS HAPPENING ON THE ROADS.

WE NEED MORE THAN 30 MILLION. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

MOTION WE ARE VOTING ON?> DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2022 NET ISSUANCE AMOUNT OF 30 MILLION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? >> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

>> ISSUANCE, NOT NET. >> WILL GET LESS THAN 30.

THE ISSUANCE OF 30 MILLION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE INTENT TO ISSUE BONDS SERIES 2022 FOR TOTAL ISSUANCE OF $37 MILLION.

WHICH IS, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY

NEEDED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. DIRECTED STAFF TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $37 MILLION.

SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> I WISH SHE'D GIVE US A CHANCE LET SOMEONE ELSE MAKE A MOTION BEFORE WE HAD TO GO VOTE ON ANOTHER ONE AND PIECEMEAL IT ON 3 MILLION AT A TIME. BUT WHATEVER.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND? >> I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT WE GO WITH THE DEBT ISSUANCE IT WILL KEEP US AT THE SAME RATE FROM PREVIOUS YEAR 15.6 105 OR 15.6046 WOULD YOU BE THERE 34

MILLION DEBT. >> AND AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. THE CHANGE AMOUNT FROM 37 TO

43, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO PIECEMEAL, JUST AMEND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? TO MAKE THE NUMBER 43 INSTEAD OF 37.

HEARING NONE. >> WHAT IS THE --

>> I SAID TO KEEP THE RATE AT THE SAME VALUE WHATEVER THE

NUMBER IS. >> WHATEVER IS A TOUGH ONE FOR

STAFF. >> I SAID .156046 NET RATE,

WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? >> THE TOTAL TAX RATE WOULD BE

.478429. >> I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT INS.

>> TO INCLUDE THE BOND ISSUE IS COST I BELIEVE IS 44

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MILLION. >> 44 EVEN, NOT 44, 200?

>> OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS HERE.

SO -- [INAUDIBLE] >> IS 44 MILLION NOT GOOD

ENOUGH? >> I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT

NUMBER.> 44.1? >> 44.5.

>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> YES.

>> WHAT IS THE NUMBER? >> 44.5.

>> THE TOTAL ISSUANCE. >> YES.

IT WILL NET US THE 43. >> AND KEEP THE INS AT WHAT

WAS PRESENTED. >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE NUMBER GOING TO 44.5? HEARING NONE -- I'M SO SORRY. DOTTIE JUST MENTIONED, IT IS PROBABLY QUESTION FOR THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

DO WE NEED TO STAY IN THE MOTION THAT THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSITION A AUTHORIZATION? I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY --

>> A FROM THE AMENDMENT? >> YES GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL

MOTION. >> PROPOSITION A

AUTHORIZATION. >> TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR

THE PUBLIC. >> WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT 44.5 MILLION OF PROPOSITION A MONEY.

THAT IS JUST THE AMENDMENT. 44.5 MILLION, PROPOSITION A.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> WE WILL VOTE TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT THEN VOTE ON THE MOTION.

OKAY. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

FLOOR IS TO DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2022 FROM PROPOSITION A AND THE AMOUNT OF 44.5 MILLION. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[11.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2022-075 calling and setting up a public hearing on September 8, 2022, at 6:00 PM on the proposed tax rate for fiscal year 2022-2023 and determining the proposed tax rate to be included in the hearing notice. (Angie Rios)]

US TO ITEM 11.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NO. R-2022-075 CALLING AND SETTING UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2022, AT 7:00 PM.

IS THAT SUPPOSED BE SIX? >> SEVEN.

>> WHAT WAS PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC?

IT'S OUT THERE. >> CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON R-2022-075 CALLING AND SETTING UP A PUBLIC HEARING SEPTEMBER 1, 2022 AT 7:00 PM. ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 AND DETERMINING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE HEARING NOTICE.

>> RESOLUTION INCLUDED IN THE PACKET HAS A MAX RATE .478, THAT IS THE MAXIMUM. WHAT IT WILL DO IS ALLOW YOU TO DO ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT JUST NOTHING MORE.

IT IS NOT THE FINAL ADOPTION OF THE RATE, JUST PROPOSING THAT.

IT IS CURRENTLY WITH THE RESOLUTION HAS IN IT.

BUT MORE PORTLY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS TO ADOPT THE RATE. STATE LAW SAYS IF YOU GO, PROPOSE ANYTHING OVER THE NO NEW REVENUE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT ALSO SAYS IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING MUST ADOPT THE RATE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.

UNFORTUNATELY THE CHARTER REQUIRES TWO RINGS OF ANYTHING WITH THE BUDGET AND TAX RATE. WHAT, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS, ONE WORKAROUND WHICH IS WHAT OTHER CITIES ROUND ROCK AND SOME OTHERS AROUND US DO. THAT WOULD BE TO HOLD THE HEARING ON THE FIRST AND THAT WHEN YOU VOTE IN THE FIRST READING, YOUR VOTING TO ADOPT, NOT JUST APPROVED WOULD APPROVE AND ADOPT THE TAX RATE THAT NIGHT.

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WHICH MEANS, THE SECOND READING ON SEPTEMBER 15 WOULD BE TO MEET THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTS BUT NOT BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE RATE FOR ANY REASON. BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE ADOPTED IT ON THE FIRST. THE SECOND OPTION IS TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING SOMETIME SEVEN DAYS OR LESS BEFORE THE 15TH. BETWEEN THE EIGHTH AND THE 14TH YOU CAN HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO THEN DO THE FIRST READING APPROVER RATE, ON THE 15TH ONLY ADOPT THE BUDGET, AND YOU WOULD THEN ADOPT THE RATE THAT NIGHT AND SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE RATE. EVEN FROM THE FIRST READING.

SO, BECAUSE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT TO BE WITHIN THE SEVEN DAYS, WOULD NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE IF YOU DON'T ADOPTED THE FIRST MEETING, THE HEARING ON THE FIRST.