9.6. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-043 amending Chapter 18, Article 18.02, Division 1 of the Code of Ordinances to update the rules and regulations related to City Parks. (Jeff White)

[9.6. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-043 amending Chapter 18, Article 18.02, Division 1 of the Code of Ordinances to update the rules and regulations related to City Parks. (Jeff White)]

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. ITEMS 9.6.

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO.

O-2022-043 AMENDING CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE 18.02, DIVISION 1 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO UPDATE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS RELATED TO CITY PARKS. GOOD EVENING.

CHRIS GOOD EVENING, JEFF WHITE, PARK SUPERINTENDENT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS ITEM.

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[INAUDIBLE] GENERALLY, I HAVE QUESTIONS.

WHEN WE SAW THE -- [INAUDIBLE] BEING PULLED OFF AS A DEFINED PARK IT MADE SENSE. BUT THEN SAUL HOUSE WAS ON THERE AND IT'S REALLY NOT A PARK IS IT? IT MADE ME WONDER IS IT A PARK OR?

>> THE OPERATIONS OF THAT HAVE BEEN RUNNING PREVIOUS YEARS BY THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. I DON'T THINK IT IS ZONED AS A PARK LAND BUT THIS KIND OF WHAT I SUPPOSE.

THE MOVE WAS THE RENTAL FACILITY.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE MOVING THAT NO LONGER USING IT.

>> OKAY NO LONGER -- THEN SECTION 18.02 PROHIBITED ITEMS. I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE BASED ON THE CHANGES DEALS WITH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. IT IS UNLAWFUL AND CLASS C MISDEMEANOR IF YOU CONSUME ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE OR POSSESS OPEN CONTAINER. THAT CONTAINS ANY AMOUNT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS WITHIN 25 FEET OF THE ROADWAY IN A PUBLIC PARK.

THEN CONFUSED IS, THE VERY NEXT LINE SAYS, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE PROHIBITED, ANY AND ALL ORGANIZED USE ACTIVITIES OR PROGRAMS ON THE PROPERTY BUT THEN AN EVENT YOU WISH TO SELL THEM YET TO MEET ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES REQUIREMENTS GET SPECIAL PERMIT. I DON'T KNOW IF WITH ONE THING YOU CANNOT DO IT AT ALL AND SENT TO SAYING YOU CAN'T BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME YOU GOT TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT SEEMS THAT WE COULD COMBINE ONE AND TWO AND JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM UNLESS THERE IS A PERMIT OR SOMETHING FOR THE CITY.

JUST SEEMED LIKE, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO MAKE CHANGES.

THEN, THE GLASS CONTAINERS. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FACETIOUS WHEN I SAY THIS BUT IS CONSIDERED A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.'M NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME LIKE THAT SO I DON'T HOW BAD IT IS.

FOR ANYONE POSSESSING EXHIBITING USING AND DISPOSING OF GLASS CONTAINERS AND IT IS ALL PARKS AND CITY LIMITS AND CITY FACILITIES. THINK THE INTENTION IS BEER BUT THEN I START THINKING, LET'S SAY I'M OUT THERE 10:45 PM BEFORE CLOSING AND THE COPS SAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? I NOTICED A TOPO CHICO IN THE FRONT CAR.

THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT IS EXHIBITING, I WAS NOT CARRYING IT BUT IT DID POSSESS IT. AM I GOING TO GET CHARGE FOR THIS MISDEMEANOR BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENT IS YOU DON'T WANT ME DRINKING BUDWEISER IN THE PARK BUT IF EVER TOPO CHICO OR SOMETHING ELSE, CAN YOU BE CHARGED WITH THE CRIME AND I DON'T HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME IN AND GO, I DIDN'T KNOW AND I'M NOT SAYING POLICE ARE OVERZEALOUS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BUT IF YOU HAD WHEN THEY TASTE SORRY BUDDY, THAT'S A CLASS C FOR EVERY BOTTLE IF A NUCLEAR PEERS OR BRING THAT UP AS I THINK. THEN I THINK I HAVE -- THE CONFETTI, SAME THING HERE. THE CONFETTI GLITTER PARTY FAVORS ARE PROHIBITED IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

FOR ANY PERSON TO POSSESS OR UTILIZE CONFETTI, WATER BALLOONS OR PARTY FAVORS. AND SO PEOPLE DOING AGENDA REVEAL PARTY AT THE PARK HAVE THE TRASH IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AND I DON'T KNOW, SOME OTHER OVERZEALOUS CITIZEN SAYS, TRANSFER THE CALL THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE A JAR OF GLITTER IN YOUR CAR. TO WHAT EXTENT IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN? BECAUSE I CAN SEE LATER ON, SOMEONE DIDN'T GET CHARGE BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY MESSED UP THE PARK. SO I JUST BRING THAT UP.

THEN, WE TOOK THE ALL YOUTH ASSOCIATION SHALL REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR COST OF MARBLE DESK PAINT AND TOPPING USED.

>> MAYOR, WE HAVE SEPARATE GROUP WITH THE YOUTH BASEBALL ASSOCIATION. THAT'S WHY THAT'S NO LONGER IN

THERE. >> LET'S SAY THAT AGREEMENT -- WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TO CHARGE THE NEXT PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT NORMAL DUST IS BY BRINGING UP AS IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE POSSIBLY TAKING SOMETHING UP FOR A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT. BUT BY TAKING IT OUT BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT AND HAVE IT IN THERE.

WE MIGHT FORGET LATER ON TO PUT IT IN, SADIE THIRD AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING THEN LAST COMMENT, WAVING THE FEES, HE USED TO SAY THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE MAY WAIVE ALL OR A PORTION OF THE FEE WHEN APPROPRIATE AS WE STRUCK IT ALL. IT MADE ME THINK WE STRUCK IT ALL, WE AS A COUNSEL, MIGHT WAIVER REIMBURSE AND FORGOT HOW

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IT WENT DOWN BUT DO WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO WAIVE THE FEE FOR PARTICULAR EVENT? IF WE DO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN THE POLICY.F WE DON'T, WE WANT TO SAY TO LEAVE IT TO REIMBURSEMENT IN THE FUTURE.

I THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE A TOPIC.

I DON'T HOW WE SOLVE THAT BEFORE.

SORRY, WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING. >> I HAVE A COUPLE ONE WAS UNDER THE CONFETTI GLITTER THING.

LITERALLY, I WOULD SAY FOUR BIRTHDAYS OR FIVE BIRTHDAYS I HAD TAKEN THE KIDS TO PARKS AND WE HAD A PIC1ATA THAT WAS ONLY FILLED WITH CANDY, NO GLITTER OR ANYTHING THAT IS HARD TO PICK UP AND YOU PICK UP ALL YOUR TRASH AFTERWARDS.

NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU LITTERED TRASH.

I GET SAYING NO CONFETTI, GLITTER OR ANY OF THAT BUT, YOU COULD EVEN GO BY A PIC1ATA AT WALMART OR HEB THAT HAS STRINGS THE KIDS GET TO PULL AND IT DROPS THE CANDY.

I THINK THAT IS LIKE REALLY AGGRESSIVE TO SAY.

I GET WORKABLE IS BECAUSE INTO THE PLASTIC LEFT BEHIND TO GET THE CONFETTI AND SILLY STRINGB& BIODEGRADABLE THAT WOULD GO WAY WAY WHEN IT RUNS BUT IF WE WANT TO KEEP IT OFF BECAUSE THAT CAN BE CONFUSING BUT JUST PIC1ATA I IN GENERAL, I WOULD SAY IT CANNOT BE FILLED WITH THOSE THINGS BUT NOT THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE THEM AT ALL BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMON THING.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS PROHIBITED USE OF WATER FEATURES, PONDS, CREEKS, LAKES AND ANY RECREATIONAL SWIMMING.

I GET THAT BUT WE AS A CITY EVENT AT BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER DID WATER SAFETY WITH KAYAKS IN THE WATER FEATURE, IN MAY. TECHNICALLY, THE CITY ITSELF, THIS WAS NOT CHANGES COMMIT A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT CAME OUT INCLUDING MY CHILDREN ON THE WATER SANCTIONED BY THE CITY. I'M CURIOUS WHERE WE ARE ON THAT AND TO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE IS NOT AN EXCEPTION TO THAT AND WE DID AS A EVENT ON MEMORIAL DAY

WEEKEND. >> GOOD POINT.

>> ONE QUESTION. >> ALSO WANTED TO PULL THIS SPECIFICALLY ON THE CLASS C MISDEMEANOR FOR PIC1ATA.

I GET IT, THE GLITTER AND SILLY STRING AND ALL OF THAT.

I ALSO GET THAT SOME PEOPLE DO NOT CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES.

MY QUESTION IS, SOMEONE RENTS A FACILITY OR DO THEY JUST, TO GO TO THE PARK THEY JUST DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

UNLESS THEY ARE LIKE THE PAVILION, MY ACCURATE ON THAT?

>> WE HAVE A RENTAL MECHANISM IN PLACE BUT IF THERE'S NO RENTAL IT IS FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

>> HOW WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE THIS TO THE PUBLIC? AND THEN, I GUESS IS TRICKY. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD FEEL ENFORCING SOMEBODY NOT HAVING A PIC1ATA.

OR I GET THE GLITTER AND CONFETTI ON -- OR THE CANONS THAT THEY SHOOT OUT. SO, HOW, LET'S SAY WE GO THROUGH WITH THIS. HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE CITIZENS AND LET THEM KNOW IT IS ENFORCEABLE? AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT, I DON'T APPEAR TO ME, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HARSH AND YOU COMPARING IT TO ALSO, PEOPLE DOING BURNOUTS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE --

>> IN REGARDS TO COMMUNICATING THAT TO THE PUBLIC THEIR COMMUTE AFTER WE PUT OUT AS WELL AS SIGNAGE AT THE PAVILION TYPICALLY WHERE THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND WE CAN MAKE IT PART OF THE RENTAL AGREEMENT. TO PROHIBIT THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. THE REASON PIC1ATA AS IS AND THERE IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR OUR PARKS, THE CREW CLEANING UP AFTERWARDS. SPECIFICALLY PINELLAS.

NOTHING JUST JUMPING OUT OF BUT THAT'S WHY.

>> BUT THEY DO A RENTAL AGREEMENT.

IS THERE A DEPOSITOR SOMETHING FOR CLEANUP?

>> THERE IS. >> OR CAN THEY BE FINED IF

THEY DON'T CLEAN UP? >> THERE'S A $200 DEPOSIT THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUT UP OUR STAFF GOES AND CHECKS IT BEFORE AND AFTER. IT'S REALLY NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING IT, IT IS THE PEOPLE COMING OUT THERE AND HAVING AN EVENT IN THE PARK, OPEN SPACE WHICH WE WANT PEOPLE TO DO, BUT THEY ARE LEAVING A MESS AND THERE'S NO RECOURSE FOR US FOR SOMEONE THAT JUST SHOWS UP IN THE PARK.

>> SINCE THE FEES ONLY $200 FOR A MISDEMEANOR NUMBER IN HERE AND YOUR DEPOSIT IS $200, I CAN UNDERSTAND HAVING GENERICALLY, BUT IF YOU PAY TO RENT THE THING AND WENT TO THE

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PROPER PERMITTING, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE STUFF IF YOU CLEAN IT UP. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T GET THE DEPOSIT BACK. YOU'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. IT IS JUST THE $200 FINE ESSENTIALLY. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE TWO DO NOT LOVE THE CITIZENS NOT DO SOMETHING BUT STILL REIMBURSE THE CREW FOR CLEANING.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, FOLLOW-UP. >> SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LITTER, IS A LITTER ORDINANCE NOT -- BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT CATCHING PEOPLE IN THE ACT OF DRAWING THE STUFF ON THE GROUND PETER COMING OUT LATER AND SEEING THE MESS.

IF YOU WERE TO CATCH SOMEONE AND THEY DID NOT CLEAN UP, COULD WE ISSUE A CITATION FOR LITTERING IN THE PARKWAY THEN

CALL IT A DAY. >> I WILL DEFER TO THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO ISSUE CITATIONS. I HAVE CONNOR HERE TO ANSWER SUCH QUESTIONS. [LAUGHTER]

>> GOOD EVENING I'M CONNOR, LIEUTENANT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF CLASS C MISDEMEANORS?

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE BUSTED UP A PIC1ATA WITH CONFETTI AROUND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S LITTERING.

IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT THAT I SEE JUST ON THE PARTY AND HE LEAVES TRASH BEHIND AND CALL THE POLICE AND YOU GUYS TAKE HIS PLATE AND TRACK HIM DOWN. COULDN'T HE JUST GET A CITATION FOR LITTERING? ON A NORMAL CLASS THAT IS.

I DON'T KNOW. >> THERE WOULD ALSO BE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. GENERALLY SPEAKING, CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, NOT TO EXCEED $500 FINE, HAS TO BE WITNESSED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO TAKE ACTION. THIS TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, MINOR OFFENSES.

THE OFFENSE $500, IT CAN BE DROPPED DOWN TO 200.

IF THE JUDGE THINK IT'S TOO MUCH YOU CAN DROP IT.

LIKE THE ROUNDABOUT YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER.

IT IS ONE DOLLAR. SO THERE IS A BUNCH OF DISCRETION. ON THE POLICE AND THE JUDGE LEVEL FOR VIOLATIONS IN THE CITY ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. >> MY QUESTION WAS THE VERY FIRST SECTION ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION.

IT SAYS THE PARKS ARE CLOSED FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6:00 A.M.. BUT TRAILS ARE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY. SEVEN WILL TRAILS RUN THROUGH PARKS. I THINK IT'S WEIRD TO ME PEOPLE CAN BE IN THE PARK AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT ON THE TRAIL IT'S OKAY AT 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING? DO WE ENFORCE THAT? IT SEEMED KIND OF DIDN'T REALLY

MATCH UP TO ME. >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADJUST HERE. IT'S WHAT WAS IN THE POLICY BEFORE HAND. I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHY IT WAS THERE BUT I CAN SPECULATE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF EARLY MORNING WALKERS BEFORE SIX A AND THAT LIKE TO GET IN THERE AND USE THE TRAILS FOR RUNNING OR FITNESS AND IT GIVES THEM AN

OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >> THE ONE I'M THINKING OF GOES THROUGH CREEKSIDE AND UNDER 79.

>> IT IS VAGUE WHETHER IT'S IN A PARK OR NOT.

>> IN THE CREEKS EXTENSION, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S A TRAIL INSIDE OF A PARK, WHICH ONE -- SOMEONE ON THE TRAIL,

I'M JOGGING! >> A THING IF THEY'RE MAKING

NOISE -- >> IS IT SAFE TO SAY OTHER COMMENTS AND NOT TAKE ACTION TONIGHT?

>> I THINK WE LIKE TO COME BACK.

ON THE PIC1ATA TOPIC, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY UNINTENTIONAL, SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. IF YOU HAVE IS PIC1ATA IS ARE CULTURALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THEIR PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY, THEY EXPECTED PIC1ATA THERE.

IF THEY CANNOT RENT A PARK AND HAVE A PIC1ATA IT BECOMES UNINTENTIONALLY DISCRIMINATORY ISSUE.

I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TRY AND MAKE IT WORK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS BUT TO SAY NO PIC1ATA IS JUST DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE BEST ANSWER TO ME.

WE HAVE TO TRY TO WORK ON THAT LITTLE BIT.

AS FAR AS THE PAYMENT FOR THE TRUCK FOR THE FIELD, IT MAKES SENSE TO LEAVE IT AND SAY UNLESS ADDRESSED SEPARATELY RENTAL AGREEMENT. -- IF YOU DON'T THEN IT FALLS UNDER THE ORDINANCE EVERYONE IS COVERED.

AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED WHAT'S PROHIBITED

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YOU CAN HAVE A QR CODE POINTING TO THE ORDINANCE SO YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU NEED. IT WOULD BE MUCH TO POST THE WHOLE THING ON EVERY PAVILION AND EVERY PARK BUT MAYBE WE CAN HIGHLIGHT AND TELL PEOPLE THE FULL ORDINANCE IS HERE IF YOU WANT TO CHECK EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO.

>> I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

THE CITY OF HUTTO DOES NOT HAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER LAW.

ON THE BOOKS. YOU COULD HAVE A GLASS OF WINE AND BE WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN. WILL HAVE AN ORDINANCE PREVENTING IT OR DOESN'T IN CERTAIN AREAS BUT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON CONNECTING THE PARKS AND EVERYTHING AND MOBILITY AND WE ALMOST HAVE A PARK THAT MIGHT BE A PARK AT THE CO-OP, JUST CURIOUS HOW WE'LL HANDLE THAT.

BRITAIN WOULD HAVE A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT THE PARKS. I THINK IT'S TRUSTED SOME WILL JUST READ THE POLICY, -- CITY HALL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A GLOBAL -- UNLESS YOUR AN ESTABLISHMENT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUTTO. I AM JUST KIND OF CURIOUS HOW WE RECONCILE THOSE TWO DICHOTOMIES.

>> THIS WHEN THAT MIGHT BE WORTH A SIGN.

NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, A SPECIFIC PERMIT OR SOMETHING

LIKE THAT. >> ANY OF THE DISCUSSION FOR

COUNSEL? >> I THINK A LOT OF PLACES I KNOW WE HAVE RENTED FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, HAVE VERY SIMILAR RULES. MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM AS FAR AS CONFETTI AND THINGS.

I KNOW WE ARE FOCUSING ON PIC1ATA.

BUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE LISTED, WITH THE GLITTER AND CONFETTI EGGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

NO MATTER HOW GOOD OF A JOB YOU DO BESIDES BRINGING A VACUUM, EVEN THEN YOU WOULD DEFINITELY MISS SOME PIECES.

I DEFINITELY HEAR WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PIC1ATA SPECIFICALLY. THINK OVERALL, WHAT THAT SPECIFIC NUMBERS TALKING ABOUT IS PRETTY COMMON AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IF YOU'RE RENTING A PLACE, HALF THE TIME THEY DESIGNATE THE TAPE YOU CAN USE TO PUT THINGS UP AND HANG THINGS. SO I JUST, I THINK PIC1ATA AS W CAN READJUST BUT I THINK A LOT OF OTHER STUFF IS ACTUALLY PRETTY COMMON. IF YOU RENTED THINGS IN THE PAST, IT'S REALLY HARD TO ENFORCE THOSE, ESPECIALLY ON A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED BASIS. BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT RENTING IT THEY WOULD NOT OF SEEN A RENTAL AGREEMENT AND THEY DO NOT KNOW THEY CAN'T USE THAT. SO THAT MAY BE KIND OF HARD TO REALLY ENFORCE OUTBREAK OF THE INTENT BEHIND TRYING TO KEEP THE PARK CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL. AND HONESTLY, TOTALLY AGREE OFFICES ARE NOT OVERZEALOUS BUT FOR SOME AND SINCE WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, ARE OVERZEALOUS IN THEIR FESTIVITIES THERE COULD BE RECOURSE THE CITY DOES HAVE. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A BALANCE OF SOME SORT OF FINER OFFENSE AND ALONG THAT LINE OF LITTERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CONFETTI, I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD OF A JOB YOU DO YOUR NEVER GETTING IT UP.

YOU WILL BE INTENTIONALLY LITTERING BUT, THE PARK FOR THE TRAILS KIND OF, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THAT BECAUSE AT THE PARK YOU TEND TO LATER.

THE PARK IS WHERE PEOPLE GATHER, CONGREGATE AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AND HAVE NOT WELCOME ACTIVITY.

I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO HUTTO LAKE PARK.

WHICH HAS BEEN KNOWN TO NOT HAVE VERY GOOD LITTERING ACTIVITIES. THE POLICE FREQUENT THE AREA.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THE MAIN SPIRIT IS MORE OR LESS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ACTIVELY MOVING AND YES, THEY CAN BE THERE AND EXERCISING, JOGGING AND RUNNING BUT I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN EFFORT TO TRY AND KEEP LOITERING OUT OF THE PARKS. AT LEAST THAT IS HOW I TOOK THAT. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT ANGLE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LITERALLY LINE BY LINE. YOU CANNOT BE IN THE PARK OR THE TRAIL AND I THINK THE INITIAL INTENT AND SPIRIT IS MORE FOR THE MOVEMENT TO BE HAPPENING.

MAYBE IT IS JUST SEMANTICS AND REVISION LANGUAGE CLEANUP.

I THINK THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET UP. THINK THERE COULD BE REALLY EASY VERBIAGE CHANGES ARE TO CAPTURE THE SPIRIT AND ALSO, THE LITERAL MEANING AS

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WELL. >> BUILD YOU UP THERE.

CITY MANAGER. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP. THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSING AND MAKING IT CLEAR TO STAFF.

AND LEGAL WHAT TYPES OF CHANGES YOU WANT TO LOOK AT, IT'S VERY MUCH A PART OF THE PROCESS. UNDERSTAND I THINK THE PARKS BOARD DID SEE THIS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND STAFF MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WE DISCUSSED THAT AND GIVE FEEDBACK. A COUPLE OF ITEMS I WANTED TO ADD FOR CLARIFICATION, MAYOR ASKED ABOUT CLASS.

MY EXPERIENCE THE GRASS IS NOT ABOUT ALCOHOLS ABOUT SAFETY BECAUSE GLASS GETS BROKEN, THEN IT TURNS TO THE GRASS WHERE KIDS PLAY IN THE CUT THEIR FEET AND LEGS, VERY -- THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE OTHER ITEMS YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT IS A VALID POINT IN BEING CULTURALLY SENSITIVE STARTING ITEMS THAT SHOW UP IN A PARTICULAR TYPE OF ACTIVITIES.

AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, PARKS, YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE LITERATE AT THE SAME TIME YOUR BATTLES AND SOMEWHAT THINGS ARE BIODEGRADABLE VERSUS NOT. GLITTER IS CERTAINLY NOT BIODEGRADABLE. I THINK I STILL HAVE SOME GLITTER FOR MY DAUGHTER'S 15TH BIRTHDAY STUCK ON ME SOMEWHERE.

AND THAT WAS YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO.

IT IS CERTAINLY NOT BIODEGRADABLE BUT A LOT OF CONFETTI EGGS, CONFETTI IN THEM THE BIGGEST ISSUE I'D SEEN IN THE PAST WITH THE PIC1ATA SPECIFICALLY, IS THE CANDY NOT GETTING ALL PICKED UP. IT USUALLY HAS PLASTIC WRAPPERS, IT ATTRACTS ANTS. THAT IS USUALLY THE BIGGER ISSUE, NOT SO MUCH THE PIECES OF THE PIC1ATA THAT DON'T GET PICKED UP BECAUSE IS A RELATIVELY EASY TO MANAGE.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK ON THIS AND WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS.

>> THANK YOU SIR. IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNSEL, I WOULD LIKE TO DO 10.1 WITH JEFF AND 10.2.

BEFORE WE HIT THE BUDGET, EMERGENCY PREPARED TASK FORCE.

THEN GO TO 10.3 SINCE THAT MAY BE WHERE WE ARE WAY DOWN ON

[10.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-042 repealing Chapter 18, Article 18.02, Division 2, of the Code of Ordinances, After-School Recreation Program Standards of Care, in its entirety; adopting standards of care for the City's for its recreation programs for elementary-age children; and providing for: Findings of Fact, Enactment, Repealer, Severability, Effective Date, and Proper Notice & Meeting. (Jeff White)]

TIME. WITH THAT WE WANT TO ITEM 10.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2022-042 REPEALING CHAPTER 18, ARTICLE 18.02, DIVISION 2, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AFTER-SCHOOL RECREATION PROGRAM STANDARDS OF CARE, IN ITS ENTIRETY; ADOPTING STANDARDS OF CARE FOR THE CITY'S FOR ITS RECREATION PROGRAMS FOR ELEMENTARY-AGE CHILDREN; AND PROVIDING FOR: FINDINGS OF FACT, ENACTMENT, REPEALER, SEVERABILITY, EFFECTIVE DATE,

AND PROPER NOTICE & MEETING. >> WAS AGAIN GOOD EVENING, PARK SUPERINTENDENT. AS YOU KNOW, PARKS AND RECREATION PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN HUTTO GOAL IS TO BRING SMILES TO FACES THROUGH PLAY AND WHEN WE DO THAT IS THROUGH SCHOOL TIME CAMP. THE TEXAS HUMAN RESOURCES CODE ALLOWS YOUTH PROGRAMS OPERATED BY MUNICIPALITIES TO OPT OUT OF THE STATE CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

THEY MUST ADOPT THE STANDARDS OF CARE BY ORDINANCE AFTER PUBLIC HEARING. THUS WE ARE HERE TO DO TONIGHT.

THE STANDARD SHALL INCLUDE STAFF AND RACIAL QUALIFICATIONS, FACILITY HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS MONITORING ENFORCEMENT, INFORMING PARENTS WERE NOT B TAKE CARE AND WE CANNOT ADVERTISE AS SUCH. WE BEEN OPERATING SUMMER CAMPS AND OTHER SCHOOL PROGRAMS IS 2006.

THE PARKS WERE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE STANDARDS OF CARE AT THE AUGUST 11, MEETING. THIS CALLS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.

IS IT OKAY THAT WE OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? HEARING NONE, WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 8:58 PM, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? REGARDING THE DAYCARE TERMINOLOGY CHANGES FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO.

IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? SEEING NO ONE.

DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK AS A CITIZEN? WE ARE CLOSING IN THIS AT 8:58 PM AND WE OPEN UP TO CITY

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COUNCIL. >> MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE IF YOU KNOW, WE GET TO POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IS THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, INSTEAD OF JUST THE AGREEMENT AGAIN. IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES AND YOU JUST CHANGE THE DATES, IS THAT THE CASE? OR IS IT YOU KNOW WE MADE CHANGES AND NOW WE DON'T KNOW

WHICH ONES? >> ARE MINOR CHANGES THIS ONE.

REALLY REGARDING HOW RELATED TO THE KIDS BEING PICKED UP BECAUSE HE USED TO BE HAD TO PROVIDE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW HAVE A CARD SCANNING SYSTEMS WERE PARENTS SCAN IN AND OUT.

WE WANT TO UPDATE THAT AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR PROCEDURES.

ON HOW KIDS ARE IN THE NEW MEDICINE DURING THAT TIME, UPDATING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. SOME OF THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED TO HHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO JUST MINOR UPDATES TO

THE STANDARDS OF CARE. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

COUNSEL? >> TO DEVIATE FROM CHAPTER 746, THIS IS THE COMPLETE -- WILL NOT BE FOLLOWING THAT CHAPTER. IN THE PAST HAVE WE BEEN

FOLLOWING THAT? >> NO, WE ADOPTED OUR OWN STANDARDS. AND THESE HAD TO BE ADOPTED

ANNUALLY BY THE BODY. >> I THINK MY BIGGEST ONE I HAD WAS ON THE SANITATION ASPECT.

IT TALKS ABOUT LIGHTING, VENTILATION, WATER, DRINKING WATER, GARBAGE REMOVAL. BUT AS FAR AS ACTUAL SANITATION ESPECIALLY KIND OF, NOT EVEN NECESSARILY ADDS COVID BUT COMING OFF OF COVID. AS FAR STANDARDS FOR SOLUTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE OR WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY USED TO CLEAN EQUIPMENT OR CLEAN WHAT THEY

ARE USING? >> THE PROGRAMS OPERATED THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THEY PROVIDE THE SERVICE AT THE CAMP THEY CLEAN THE FACILITIES AT THE END OF THE

DAY. >> GOTCHA.

>> OUT IN THE FUTURE YOU ALL DID THAT TO SPECIFY.

WE HAVEN'T AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I WAS THERE.

SO IF A CITIZEN WANTS TO KNOW, TO GET THE CONFIDENCE, I SEND MY KIDS TO SCHOOL I'M OKAY WITH HOW THEY CLEAN AND STUFF.

THEY ARE RUNNING THIS SO, I'M GIVING THEM MORE --

>> TO TYPICALLY ADVERTISE WITH THE CAMP WILL BE IN IT, THIS

YEAR WAS NADINE JOHNSON. >> I'M JUST SAYING IN THE

FUTURE. >> WE CAN ADD THAT.

>> TO THE POINT OF COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY, I DON'T NECESSARILY WAS TO THE ISP BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER GROUP. BUT IF YOU DO MAYBE SOMETHING THAT SANITATION. ESPECIALLY OUT OF COVID SOME PEOPLE HAVE AN EXPECTATION EVERY WILL GO TO THE MOVIE THEATER TO CLEANING. WE SAY IT'S A BEST PRACTICE WE PUT IN THEIR PUT YOU MORE AT EASE THEN THE BASEBALL THING.

THEN IT CAN BE UPON THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOLLOW THROUGH THE EXPECTATIONS

PEOPLE HAVE. >> YES OR WE CAN ADD THAT.

>> ONCE AGAIN, NEED A MINIMUM STANDARDS.

THESE ARE JUST REQUIRED. >> IN THE FUTURE I'D LIKE TO SEE BECAUSE I KNOW THIS WILL BE AN ANNUAL UPDATE.

THIS BEING THE BASIS AND THE FIRST, THE START OF THE STANDARDS OF CARE PROCEDURE THE CITY HAS.

IT'S GREAT. PAGE 117 OF THE PACKET THERE IS PROGRAMMING, THEY WILL PROVIDE ACTIVITIES.

I THINK WILL BE GREAT IN THE NEXT YEAR TO WORK WITH MAYBE THE ADA TASK FORCE, WORKING WITH CHILDREN THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ABILITIES, WHETHER IT IS PHYSICAL, MENTAL, SOCIAL, ABILITIES, JUST SO THAT THE CITY CAN MAKE THE SOME PROGRAM MORE INCLUSIVE THE CAMP COUNSELORS ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE TOOLS AND WE ARE TO INCLUDE THEM.

THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION.

JUST MOVING FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR, IT WILL BE GREAT TO WORK WITH THE ADA TASK FORCE TO MAKE IT BETTER.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AWESOME JOB.

THE ONE TO 15 RATIOS ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT THEY GET IF THEY GO TO A NORMAL SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM THAT IS PUT ON BY HHS.

THE RATIO FOR THAT IS 1 TO 26. SO GOOD JOB FOR YOU GUYS AND HAVING MORE STAFF AND MY ONLY OTHER THING I THINK THAT MAYBE

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MIGHT BE WORDING WOULD BE THE MEDICATIONS FOR THE EMERGENCY MEDICATIONS. IT IS SELF CARRY, PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THE EMERGENCY ALLOCATIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WITH PERSON AT ALL TIMES. I THINK MAYBE JUST THE WAY IT IS WORDED I WOULD NOT LIKE MY SIX ROLE TO CARRY ON THE EPIPEN OR THEIR INHALER, SOMETIMES IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY'RE VERY FORGETFUL. WHERE DID YOU PUT YOUR WATER BOTTLE? I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A WORDING THING AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE CARRYING ON EMERGENCY MEDICATION.

THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST AID BAG THAT GOES WITH THEM

WHEREVER THEY GO. >> IS AT SECTION A?

>> IT WAS ON SECTION C. SAYS IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO SELF INSULIN, ASTHMA, AND A LOT OF SELF CARRY MEDICATIONS.

I THINK YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE CHILD BUT WITH AN ADULT, RELEASED IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA IN THE GYM IT'S ACCESSIBLE.

NOT LOCKED IN A CABIN IN THE OFFICE.

>> WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A LOCKBOX THAT WE CARRIED WITH US.NE WENT OFF SITE WE CARRIED WITH US AND WHEN WE WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT WAS IN THERE BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE OLDER KIDS FEEL MORE CALM TABLE CARRYING, THAT GIVES US THE OPTION TO DO THAT.

IF AN 11-YEAR-OLD IS USED USING THE INHALER FOR MANY YEARS THEY

CAN DO THAT. >> DEFINITELY.

BUT MY FORGETFUL SIX-YEAR-OLD, --

>> WOULD IT BE THE WAY TO FIX IS ADD SOMETHING ABOUT WITH, IT EVEN SAYS WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM A PARENT.

IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR CHILD CARRYING IT BUT THEN THE 12-YEAR-OLD, THAT'S COVERED.

>> TYPICALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICINE, OUR RULE IS, IF IT HAS TO BE ADMINISTERED DURING A SET TIME, WE CAN ADMINISTER IT, AND IT SAYS TWICE A DAY. YOU CAN DO IT BEFORE YOU DROP THEM OFF YOU CAN DO IT AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.

IF THEY ARE FOLLOWING A MEAL OR LATER AND IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO ADMINISTER THAT AND WE KEEP A LOG.

WE HAVE KIDS THAT HAVE HAD ASTHMA WITH ALSO EPI-PENS AND A LOT OF ALLERGIES. WE ARE PREPARED.

>> I DO HAVE ONE OF THE QUESTION.

I KNOW AT THE SCHOOLS, THE NURSE HAS A LOG WHEN YOU GIVE PILLS. YOU CAN GIVE WHATEVER NUMBER THEY DO ACCOUNT OF THE PARENT SIGNS AND THE NURSE SIGNS AND IS THE LOG. BUT HERE IT SAYS, WANTED A SUPPLY EVERY DAY, EACH DAY. THAT SEEMS LIKE -- VERY FREQUENTLY A LOT OF KIDS MAY NOT GET MEDICATION THE DAY BECAUSE HE TRY TO GET KIDS OUT THE DOOR AND THEY SAY ALL I FORGOT THE PILL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE OF IMAGINING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE KIDS NAME AND THE TIME THE DATES GIVEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ONE MORE STEP OF HAVING A LOG.

>> WE DO HAVE A LOG. WE DON'T HAVE A NURSE ON STAFF SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SEASONAL SUMMER STAFF TO DO THAT. WE HAVE THIS IN HERE IS A PRECAUTION FOR THOSE SITUATIONS THAT DO ARISE BUT IN ALL ACTUALITY, WE WOULD RATHER THE PARENT DO WITH THE MEDICINE IF

POSSIBLE. >> I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF BOY SCOUT CAMP LIKE A PHARMACY.

THOSE KIDS ARE THERE FOR LIKE A WEEK WITHOUT COMING HOME.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF, IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY DIFFERENT MEDICINES ARE GIVEN AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

BUT WE WAS HAD TO HAVE SOMEONE TRAINED TO BE THERE.

DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE TRAINED? I DON'T KNOW BUT A NURSE PRACTITIONER, WE HAD TO GO TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS I WANT TO SAY, AND THERE WAS A TRAINING PROGRAM.

IS THERE ANY TRAINING THE CITY? LIKE OF A PERSON DID HAVE, I CAN'T SAY THE WORD, BUT THEY HAVE AN ALLERGIC REACTION OR SOMETHING. SAY THEY HAVE THAT, AND DO WHAT WE ARE PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO USE IT EPIPEN, THAT WOULD KNOW

HOW TO DO IT? >> OUR STAFF COMPLETES A THOROUGH FIRST AID SAFETY CPR CLASS.

AND THEY SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHT THOSE INCIDENTS WHERE THEY DO THAT. THIS YEAR, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. WE HAD 200, GIVE OR TAKE 220 DIFFERENT KIDS PARTICIPATING SUMMER CAMP.

744 OVERALL PARTICIPANTS. WE HAD ONE CHILD THAT HAD TO HAVE MEDICINE LODGE WHEN HE CAME TO THE CAMP.

IT IS NOT OFTEN WE HAVE TO DO IT.

THIS IS LIKE I SAID TO KIND OF GIVE US DIRECTION ON HOW TO

HANDLE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

UNDER NUMBER SIX, SUSPECTED ABUSE.

IT IS A PROGRAM EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE A INFORMATION RELATED TO CHILD ABUSE IDENTIFICATION PREVENTION AND HOW TO REPORT SUSPECTED AB I DO LOOK UNDER ADMIRAL ITEM

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11. I WAS WONDERING, HOW ARE THEY TRAINED AND HOW TO REPORT THAT AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS?

>> GREAT QUESTION. THERE ARE TWO MECHANISMS. THIS YEAR WE DID A GOOGLE FORM SO TO SPEAK.

THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH AND READ AND TAKE A TEST ON IT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE MATERIALS THEY HAD TO DO.

THEN BEFORE THE CAMP STARTS, WE HAD THAT FOR SCHOOL AND CAMP GO OVER TRAINING DURING THAT WE BRING THEM IN.

WE HIT EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE GOOGLE FORM AND

THAT'S ONE. >> IN PERSON AND ONLINE SO WE HAVE A RECORD THERE WERE GIVEN INFORMATION AND DID PASS THE TEST RELATED TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

>> I'M INVOLVED IN A BOY SCOUTS OF A COUNSELOR HAVE TO RECERTIFY EVERY TWO YEARS. THE LAST TWO YEARS IS AN ONLINE TRAINING I GO THROUGH. RENEW EVERY YEAR.

I WAS HOPING THERE WAS SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN HANDING A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAYING READ THIS.

SOUNDS LIKE IT IS A HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE A TEST AND THEN GET IT IN PERSON SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

>> AND AS THESE PROBLEMS PERSIST OR A POP-UP WE HAVE DIFFERENT, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM THOSE ARE REITERATED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

WE ARE SEEING YOU KNOW THE BATHROOM NOT BEING CLEAN.

MAKE SURE THEY ARE CLEANED OR THE TRASH IS TAKEN OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THROUGHOUT

THE YEAR TOO. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

ACTION FOR THE ITEM? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED IN 10 A AND TO DISPENSE OF THE SECOND

READING. >> WE WILL MAKE THAT TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. MOTION AND A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. IF HHS ISN'T COMING OUT NOT DOING INSPECTIONS, WHO DOES? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT POPS UP AT THESE DIFFERENT, AT THE LOCATION? OR, DOES IT BE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND SELF INSPECTION OR SELF-REPORT OR ANYTHING? TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE

BEING FOLLOWED? >> TALK ABOUT STANDARDS OF CARE? WE TYPICALLY DO AN ANNUAL REPORT, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES THAT WE DOCUMENT THAT. WE ADDRESS THAT.

IT'S GETTING DONE THROUGH STAFF, PARENTS.

PARENTS WILL GET A COPY OF THIS.ND REPOST IT ON THE

WEBSITE. >> LET'S SAY JEFF DOES A HORRIBLE JOB AT RUNNING THE DAY CAMP.

HOW DO KNOW JEFF IS DOING A GOOD OR BAD JOB?

IN FOLLOWING THE RULES? >> BECAUSE THEY COME OUT AND CHECK CHILD CARE PROVIDER DID NOT CHECK THEMSELVES.

DF PS DOES IT. >> IF YOU INVESTIGATE YOURSELF AND GIVE US REPORT IT WILL BE A GOOD REPORT RIGHT? SOMETHING JUST TO LOOK AT MAYBE I DON'T KNOW SUMMER FROM A TRUCK AND COME DOWN AND JUST YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE JUST MAKE

SURE THAT -- >> THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH HR. WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT MECHANISMS AND WAYS TO COMMUNICATE.

THROUGH TEXT, EMAIL, APPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

HR IS VERY PRESENT IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.

WE GET TO KNOW THEM AND THEY MAKE TRIPS OVER THERE.

THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. [INAUDIBLE] A MOTION AND SECOND. APPROVING THIS ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED. CAN I OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WE ASK STAFF TO APPROVE THIS WITH AN ADDITION UNDER THE SANITIZING, I FORGOT WHAT IS CALLED.

THE CLEANING THING WE ADDED THAT THERE IS A SANITIZING SECTION AND WE HAVE SOME SORT OF SANITIZING STANDARDS.

THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY WHOEVER, I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO WORD THAT. COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY HAS EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE SHE IS DEALT WITH THE STUFF I THINK REGULARLY. MAYBE SHE CAN HELP.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH SOMETHING? > PERSONALLY, THREE-STEP, SOAP AND WATER, REGULAR WATER, SOLUTION.

USUALLY SPRAY BOTTLE IS FINE. >> OKAY.

>> WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE YOU WANT ME TO ADD?

>> JUST TO ADD A SANITATION PROCEDURE.

>> SHE BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT.

SOMETHING THAT HAS THE PROGRAM HOPEFULLY GROWS, WE CAN ENCOMPASS MORE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

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THEY ARE BOTH OKAY WITH -- MAYBE BRING IT BACK TO THE SECOND READING THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE ONE GOOD LUCK AND GO OKAY.

MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITION OF SANITIZING PROCESS SECTION.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE SECOND READING OR WAIT FOR IT TO COME BACK?

WITH THE NEW LANGUAGE? >> I THINK WE CAN LET IT PASS.

>> IS THAT A MOTION? >> YES.

>> MOTION, SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. DISPENSING OF THE SECOND READING. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THIS IS BECAUSE I LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL -- [INAUDIBLE] NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[10.2. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance 2022-044 for the Revised Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning ordinance request for the property known as 411, 421, 431 and 441 Ed Schmidt Boulevard Planned Unit Development (PUD), 4.30 acres, more or less, of land, Lots 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Emory Farms Commercial Subdivision, located on Ed Schmidt Boulevard. (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey)]

JEFF. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 10.2. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE 2022-044 FOR THE REVISED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD) ZONING ORDINANCE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 4-1-1 421, 431 AND 441 ED SCHMIDT BOULEVARD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD), 4.30 ACRES, MORE OR LESS, OF LAND, LOTS 2, 3, 4 AND 5 OF THE EMORY FARMS COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ON ED SCHMIDT BOULEVARD.

>> GETTING NEW MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THE OTHER BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ABOUT 4.3 ACRES, ON THE WEST SIDE OF ED SCHMIDT, SOUTH OF THE EMORY FARMS STREET CUT THROUGH.

THIS IS AN OLDER PLOT AND DEVELOPMENT PLOTTED IN 2007.

YOU MAY RECALL, SOME OF YOU ON COUNSEL, THERE IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2019. THIS IS USUALLY DONE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. FOR THE HOTEL.

IT EXPIRED, SAME APPLICANT CAME FORWARD WITH A PUD THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND ASKED FOR A FOUR-STORY HOTEL THAT LEFT THE HEIGHT OF 35 FEET. YOU CAN'T REALLY GET A FOUR-STORY HOTEL AND 35 FEET. WITH THAT, WE ACTUALLY ARE REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT, IT'S A LITTLE REDUNDANT TO DO SUP IN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOP IT WE REMOVING A BECAUSE NO ONE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT BUT WITH THAT, THIS IS GOING TO INCLUDE IN THE ELEVATIONS, A FOUR-STORY HOTEL. DOES INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO 62 FEET, THE VERY TOP OF THOSE.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE SO MUCH EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION OF COUNSEL THIS ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TABLED THIS TWICE FOR THE DEVELOPER MUCH THE CREDIT, BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE TO REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT COUNSEL HAD SAID THE FIRST TIME THIS CAME THROUGH.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'VE CHANGED, YOU WILL SEE THE BOTTOM ELEVATIONS THE WEST ELEVATION.

THIS HAS NO HABITABLE SPACES OR ROOMS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE WINDOWS TOWARDS THE EMORY FARMS RESIDENCE.

THAT WAS A REALLY BIG POINT WHEN IT CAME THROUGH AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNSEL.

I WANT TO POINT THAT WE DID GET THAT.

THIS IS THE AREA WITH SITE LAYOUT.

WE MOVED THIS NORTHERNMOST DRIVEWAY THEY WILL COME THROUGH THE JOINT ACCESS. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE THE STREET IS SO CONSTRAINED WHEN OTHERS A LOT OF TRAFFIC OVER THERE, WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE NOW IS THIS, ANOTHER THING THEY CHANGE FROM THE FIRST TIME THEY WENT TO P&Z. NOW PRESENTED TO IT COUNSEL AND RECOMMENDED. HERE YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A JOINT ACCESS. BROUGHT THIS TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND THEN THERE WILL BE THIS ACCESS POINT AS WELL.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE BACK HERE, WE MAINTAIN A MUCH LARGER SETBACK.

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WHEN THE THINGS THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN PARKING BUT THIS ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO REMOVE ALL PARKING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT AND GIVES ABOUT 62 FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE FENCE LINE AND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. WE REALLY TRYING TO INCREASE THAT WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT PUD IN 2019.

>> WAS ON THE LOT TO THE NORTH?

>> NOTHING ON THE INTERMEDIATE LOT BUT THERE IS A DAYCARE OVER

THERE. >> OKAY.

I KNOW WHERE IT IS. >> DOWN HERE THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THESE THAT YOU CAN GET OUT HERE BUT YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE VERY MUCH PERPENDICULAR TO ED SCHMIDT SIMILAR TO THE OTHER HOTEL TO THE SOUTH.

WITH THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A PUD WE HAVE SOME PROPOSAL ITEMS WE NEED TO GO OVER. AGAIN, THEY ASK YOU SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THIS IS TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THIS WOULD ALLOW JUST LOTS FOUR AND FIVE TO HAVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 62.

BUT IT IS JUST FOR LIVABLE. 62 FEET TO THE VERY TOP OF THAT, THE OTHER LOTS WILL REMAIN AT A 35 FOOT MAXIMUM.

PARKING FOR LODGING HAS BEEN DECREASED TO ONE SPACE PER UNIT TO ALLOW FOR THE COMPLETE REDUCTION OF THE PARKING ON THE ADJACENCY SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

AND THE 62 FOOT DISTANCE, THE SITE PLAN WAS ALTERED.

PLANNING AND ZONING KICK THIS BACK AND WE WORKED TO GET SOMETHING TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL.

THE SPACING BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAYS, THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION VARIANCE IT WAS APPROVED FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, THERE IS STILL A LITTLE BIT OF CLOSENESS BETWEEN SOME OF THESE. WE WANT THEM TO LINE UP.

AND ALSO, THIS ONE THEY DID REMOVE SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS TO LINE UP AND START PLANNING OUT THE ROADWAY.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JUNE 7. AND AGAIN, IT WAS TABLED AND THEN AGAIN. WE ARE NOW BE HERE BEFORE YOU.

WE DID HAVE THREE IN OPPOSITION AND TWO IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST. BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT TO THIS POINT AND IT WAS TABLED AND REVISED SO MANY TIMES, THIS DOES MEET THE CRITERIA OF A PUD. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT ANY SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL CULTURAL RECREATIONAL OR AESTHETIC VALUE.

AND IT ALSO CONTROLS EXTERNAL EFFECTS ON NEARBY LAND USES.

WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS.

AGAIN, THREE IN FAVOR AND TWO IN OPPOSITION.

HERE IS A PUBLIC NOTICE MAP, 75 PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTICED BUT WE GOT FIVE BACK. WITH THAT, PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNSEL, WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.

HEARING NO OBJECTIONS WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:22 PM, SEPTEMBER 1. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK REGARDING THE PUD ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THIS? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:22 PM AND

OPRAH FOR COUNSEL DISCUSSION. >> THIS ORIGINALLY CAME, I WAS ACTUALLY ON PLANNING AND ZONING.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUGHT FOR SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE ORIGINALLY, THE LOT THAT THEY HAD A GOING EAST WEST, AND I SAID EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK IN ON EVERYONE'S BACKYARD AND REFORMS. SO AT THE TIME, AT P&Z WE SAID LOOK, THE ONLY WAY THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED WOULD BE ROTATED WE GET RID OF ALL THE WINDOWS EXCEPT THE NEED FOR FIRE RULES IN THE STAIRWELL ON THE END. I'M GLAD THE DEVELOPERS WERE ABLE TO WORK AND P&Z WAS ABLE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND GET IT DONE AND BRING IT TO US. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD THING. AND GETTING RID OF THE PARKING ALONG THE FENCE LINE SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY BACKING UP TO THE FENCE AND THEN THE DOGS BARKING.

I'M REALLY PROUD OF SEEING THIS CHANGE.

AND EVEN THE POOL ON THE SIDE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE, EVEN AFTER ACTIVITIES THAT PEOPLE IN THE HOTEL WOULD BE DOING IS AS FAR AWAY FROM THE RESIDENCE AS YOU CAN. I THINK YOU COULD HAVING HOTEL THIS CLOSE WOULD BE THAT YOU CAN MINIMIZE IMPACT IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. A REALLY GOOD JOB.

[02:20:02]

>> OVERALL, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE PARKING IS NOT BUTTING UP THERE THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN THE BUILDING.

DO WE KNOW THE NAME OR THE TYPE OF HOTEL?

>> EVER PRESENTED FOR THE DEVELOPER IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE. I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL SHOW IN

FAIRFIELD BY MARRIOTT. >> MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN, IS SOMETHING THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD WRITTEN AND HAD TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS LIKE LIGHT POLLUTION.

AND FOR SAFETY REASONS, IT'S A HOTEL, IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE BIG BRIGHT LIGHTS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW DOES IT WORK IF THERE IS NO PARKING IN THE BACK. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT ILLICIT ACTIVITY GOING ON BEHIND THE HOTEL.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE KNOW THE BEDROOM WINDOWS FACE THAT WAY AND IT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. BRIGHT LIGHTS AND THEY WILL NOT BE A WAY TO TURN THOSE OFF. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DEALT WITH THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST. IF THEY HAD SOME REMEDY OR HELP WE COULD OFFER FOR LIGHT POLLUTION IS ONE THING THE DEVELOPER LOOKED AT THE INCREASE THE BUFFER YARD TO THE LARGEST WE HAD AND MORE LIVE OAKS AND LARGER TREE SPECIES BACK THERE IN THE BUFFER YARD, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AT THE SAME TIME THEIR PLANS THAT REQUIRE THE SITE PLAN HAVE TO HAVE A 30 PERCENT SHIELDING AND WE REQUIRE -- AT THE PROPERTY LINE. WHILE IT WILL CHANGE AND YOU HAVE A GLOW IT SHOULD NOT BE SHINING INTO ANYBODY'S WINDOWS.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AND ALSO REVIEWING FOR AFTER IT'S BUILT. IT IS SOMETHING WE TAKE SERIOUSLY AND AS PART OF THIS. IT'S CONCEPTUAL.

WHATEVER WE END UP GOING THROUGH, THAT'S ONE OF THE SHEETS STAFF WILL HAVE TO REVIEW.

>> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> I WANT TO THANK, I TALKED TO -- MULTIPLE TIMES REGARDING THIS.

AND SO, I APPRECIATE HIS WORK TO GO BACK WITH MARRIOTT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK.

I KNOW IT WAS NOT AS EASY AS JUST -- WE ALSO TALKED EXTENSIVELY THE OVERALL TRAFFIC FLOW SO HE CAME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION. THERE WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE TREES AND BUFFERING. IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT, NO ONE IS COMING UP NECESSARY SPEAKING OPPOSITION AND THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT THIS HOTEL TO HAVE A CHOICE BUT MOSTLY PRAGMATIC PEOPLE BACK THERE, THEY BECOME PRETTY SUPPORTIVE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS A GOOD COMBINATION OF WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING THE BEST OF A COMMERCIAL SITUATION THAT THEY ALL KNOW IT COULD BE A WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN HOTEL. IT COULD BE A RESTAURANT THAT CLOSES AT 230 IN THE MORNING. I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND EVERYTHING. A LOT OF MEETINGS, AND A LOT OF WORK. THANK YOU.

>> WAS THE VOTE UNANIMOUS AT P&Z?

>> I BELIEVE AT THE TIME IT CAME BACK AT THE VERY END IT WAS. BECAUSE IT WAS TABLED THE FIRST TIME. THEN THE SECOND TIME GETTING CLOSE TO POTENTIAL DENIAL. THERE WE HAVE JUST RECORDED ONCE AND IT WAS ONE THAT DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING FORWARD JUST BECAUSE I'D BEEN THERE FOR THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION.

WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND REALLY HAVING TO BE A PARTNER IN THIS, WITH BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF HAS BEEN INVALUABLE. BECAUSE I DO THINK WE HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT. I BELIEVE AT THE END IT WAS UNANIMOUS. ANOTHER WE HAD I BELIEVE TWO

THAT WERE ABSENT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? .

NONE, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I APPROVE AS PRESENTED. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM,

SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. ANYMORE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. >> CAN WE DISPENSER THE SECOND READING? I WAS GOING TO AFFECT IT WOULD

-- >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION?

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HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

[11.3. Emergency Preparedness Task Force Report and Presentation on ClusterDuck.]

>> BRINGS US TO 11.3. EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE REPORT AND PRESENTATION ON CLUSTER DUCK.

>> THE REST OF THE MEETING IS A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.

MY NAME IS TOM, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TASK FORCE WORKING ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME BEFORE HERE, SOME HAVEN'T. I WILL DO A QUICK OVERVIEW FOR YOUR TIME BECAUS LONG EVENING.

WE HAVE TOO SO WE WILL DO OUR BEST.

THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE IS RUNNING A PLAN FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO. WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE MASSACHUSETTS MODEL FOR TEMPLATE.

WHICH IS USED BY DALLAS, HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO.

WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT PLAN TO WRITE A PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO, HAD DEAL WITH AN EMERGENCY DISASTER.

DISASTERS CAN BE EITHER MAN-MADE OR NATURAL DISASTERS.

THEY ENCOMPASS A LOT OF STUFF. THE PLAN IS BASICALLY, ENOUGH SAID THIS BEFORE IN THESE MEETINGS.

IT IS TO GIVE YOU A PLAYBOOK, TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH DISASTERS AND HOW TO OPEN SHELTERS AND WHAT TO DO WITH PEOPLE. NOT ONLY DO YOU NEED SHELTERS, YOU ALSO NEED STAGING AREAS FOR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IN SCHOOL YOUR PARENTS NOT TO GO TO THE SITE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS.

WHAT THEN TO GO TO AN AUXILIARY PLACE SO THAT THEY ARE REMOVED FROM THE SITUATION, DON'T ENCUMBER WHATEVER GOING ON WITH POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO DO THEIR JOB.

AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A STAGING AREA TO DEAL WITH THEM ON A SEPARATE BASIS AND REALLY ASSIGN PEOPLE TO THEM SO YOU CAN DEAL WITH THEIR PROBLEMS, THEIR CONCERNS AND WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PRESENT TIME. SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE, SKIPPING AHEAD, I APOLOGIZE. GIVE ME A SECOND.

SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE DEALT WITH IN MY GROUP IS VERY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IS COMMUNICATION.

HOW DO WE GET, AND WE WILL GO OVER HOW WE WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT OF AS WE SPOKE TO WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND HAVE THE COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE COME IN. THEIR SUGGESTION IS AND WE AGREE, IS TO USE HAND RADIOS, TO GIVE PROBABLY EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND RADIO. THE CITY MANAGERS HAND RADIOS AND PEOPLE WE DESIGNATE TO DECIDE IN THIS PROGRAM.

SHE'S THE HAND RADIOS, WILL HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED BY THE FCC. IT IS A $40 COST.

EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE WILL PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET. WE ALSO ALREADY HAVE BEEN OFFERED FUNDING. WHICH I HAVE A LOT OF COMMITMENT HERE, WHICH WE DIDN'T SOLICIT TO THE OFFICE FOR $2000. FROM THE HUTTO RESOURCE CENTER.

ONE OF THE MEMBERS SIT ON OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY WILL GIVE US $2000 TO START THE PROGRAM.

IT WILL COST NOTHING IF COUNSEL ACCEPTS AND MONEY CAN BE ADMINISTERED ANYWAY THAT THE MATTERS AND COUNCILS WANT TO DO IT. WE SERVE AT YOUR DISCRETION HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS BUT THINK THE FUND SHOULD BE TAKEN WE SHOULD BUY THE RADIOS TO DECIDE. POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT DON'T NEED THE RADIOS. THEY ARE ALREADY THE RADIOS IN THEIR PATROL CARS AND FIRE TRUCKS.

THEY CAN BE PROGRAMMED WITH FREQUENCIES, THERE ARE TOWERS UP TO UTILIZE THE RADIOS. THE RADIOS CAN GO OVER LONG DISTANCE. IT IS AN AUXILIARY FREQUENCY THAT YOU GUYS CAN USE TO MANAGE ONE OF THESE EVENTS.

AND NOT BE ENCUMBERED UPON A 9-1-1 SYSTEM.

THAT IS ONE. THE OTHER THING IS, HOW DO WE GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC? FACEBOOK IS A GREAT IDEA BUT MIKE POINTED OUT THE LAST MEETING AND WITH THE CLUSTER DUCK PEOPLE.

PUT SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK AND THERE ARE 100 RESPONSES AND WHAT YOU PUT OUT IS PUSHED UP TO WHERE NO ONE CAN SEE WHAT HUTTO 'S RESPONSE WILL BE TO THE PROGRAM AND WHEN WE CAN PUT THE PUBLIC IN THE SITUATIONS AND GIVE PUBLIC INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM US. AND TO THAT I'LL PASS IT OVER TO MATT, HE WILL GO OVER THE CLUSTER DUCK STUFF.

>> BEFORE YOU GO, CAN YOU GUYS GIVE JUST A LITTLE BRIEF

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OVERVIEW FOR QUALIFICATIONS. I THINK WOULD HELP SOME OF WHAT EACH OF YOUR EXPERIENCE LEVEL IS.

IF IT WAS LIKE ME UP THERE -- >> WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE

TALKING TO US? >> MY NAME IS THOMAS -- VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER FOR MANY YEARS IN NEW YORK STATE.

-- 40 YEARS. MY EMT NUMBER IN NEW YORK STATE IS THREE ZEROS IN FRONT OF IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA HOW OLD I AM.

WORKED WITH THE FIRST PARAMEDICS EVER TO BE PUT OUT OF THE CLASS.LET'S SEE. I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL FOR LOCAL 2507 WHICH IS THE UNION WHERE WE WORKED ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, WHICH IS ON AND BLESSES AND PICS FACILITIES, AND 9/11 RESCUE WORKER. HAVE ACCOMMODATION FROM THAT, SHELTER MANAGER FOR RED CROSS DISASTER ACTION TEAM.

FEMA ISO 1000 CERTIFIED. WHICH IS LOGISTICALLY, HOW TO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO ACTIVATE FEMA IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY.

THINKING I BELIEVE ALL SHOULD TAKE SOME STATES IS REQUIRED.

RETIRED NEW YORK CITY OFFICER. AND LIFESAVING METAL WINNER FOR NEW YORK CITY. BUT ON THE COVER OF EVERY MAJOR NEWSPAPER AT LEAST ONCE. -- THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE JUST. I SAT WITH THE CITY MANY TIMES TO DO THIS FOR THE CITY OF NEW YORK.

I'M NOW A RESIDENT OF HUTTO. GIVEN OUR LAST FREE THAT PUT US IN SUCH TURMOIL, INSTEAD OF WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR OUR SYSTEMS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS THE HELP THEY NEED IN A DISASTER. WE ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU TOOLS AND PLAYBOOK TO DO THAT. I'VE NEVER STOOD UP BEFORE Y'ALL MY NAME IS MATTHEW. I SAW SOME IS POSTED THERE WAS THE MAN'S POST BUT THE TASK FORCE, THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. I'VE BEEN IN PUBLIC SERVICE 18 YEARS, GOING ON THE 18TH YOU KNOW STARTING OF THE VOLUNTEER OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL NOW A LIEUTENANT WITH THE DEPARTMENT.

SEVEN YEARS FULL-TIME. AS MANY CERTIFICATIONS FROM ADVANCED FIREFIGHTER, VINCENT SPECTOR, THE LIST GOES ON.

A BUNCH OF FEMA CERTIFICATIONS. ALSO HELD POSITION OF ASSISTANT CHIEF FOR COPELAND FIRE DEPARTMENT A COUPLE OF YEARS.

I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TOM AND WE REACHED OUT TO THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS AND GET A HOLD OF SOMEBODY WHO INTRODUCED US TO CLUSTER DUCK.

I DID MY RESEARCH FOUND THESE PEOPLE OUT OF NEW YORK THAT DEVELOP -- THEY DEVELOP THESE SYSTEMS AND THESE ARE JUST THE HANDHELD ONES BUT THEY DEVELOPED THESE TO BASICALLY MAKE COMMUNICATIONS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS, A LITTLE MELTED, IT SAT IN MY TRUCK AND TEXAS HEAT MELTED AND IT STILL WORKS. THEY DEVELOP THIS SIZE AND ALSO HAVE A SOLAR POWERED UNIT WHICH IS WHAT THEY RECOMMEND FOR THE CITY. BASICALLY, WHAT IT DOES IS IT CREATES A NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEY FEED OFF OF EACH OTHER. SO, THE CITY OR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THE PORTAL, AT THE TIME, CAN PUSH OUT A MESSAGE, CAN PUSH OUT A FORM AND PEOPLE CAN GO ONTO THE WI-FI ON THEIR PHONE, TABLET, COMPUTER, WHATEVER YOU CAN GAIN ACCESS WITH AND IT HAS A SCREEN. CLICK ON RIGHT NOW I THINK IT IS CALLED HUTTO DUCK IS WHAT THE TEST KIT IS.

THE FORM WILL OPEN UP YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, GOES BACK TO THE PORTAL AND GET INFORMATION BACK TO THE CITY.

IT GIVES BACK TO THE MEMBERS OF AN EEOC AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT CAN BE CUSTOMIZED TO PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING WE WANT. THEY GIVE US A CITY -- THEY THINK THE CITY OVERVIEW AND SAID TO GET STARTED TO GET THE BEST COVERAGE WHICH WAS 95 PERCENT OF THE CITY LIMITS OF HUTTO, WOULD BE ABOUT 30 SOLAR POWERED UNITS.

THOSE ARE ROUGHLY 500 APIECE. AND THEY ARE LOW MAINTENANCE.

AND THEY ARE MOUNTED ONLY THE HIGHEST PORTIONS OF THE CITY.

THERE IS NOT MUCH TO TALK ABOUT THESE GUYS AND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE, IT'S A DASHBOARD, PEOPLE SEND MESSAGES IN IT CAN GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN.

IF NOT WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND YOU TEXT YOU AND YOU TEXT YOU.

IT IS A ONE-WAY DEAL BUT PD CAN HAVE IT PULLED UP IN THE CARS IF THEY NEED TO. AND EEOC CAN HAVE A PERSON DESIGNATED TO WATCH THAT FEED AND STUFF GOING IN AND OUT KIND

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OF TAKE THE LABOR OFF OF FIRE AND EMS WHEREAS THEY DON'T NEED 9-1-1 HELP. THEY JUST NEED, I NEED TO KNOW FOR A WARRANT OR A COOLING PLACE, I NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO GO FOR POWER, SHELTER, ALMOST GOT HIT BY A TORNADO.

CAN YOU DIRECT THAT AND GET MEDICINE, THINGS LIKE THAT TO

THEM AS WELL. >> THE THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE SYSTEM IS, IT IS DEPENDENT ON NOTHING BUT ITSELF.

SO, IF INTERNET GOES DOWN, NO POWER --

>> CAN YOU READ INTO MICROPHONE?

>> ORIGINAL GOES DOWN AND THERE'S NO POWER AND THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, THESE THINGS WERE RUN OFF BATTERY FOR WEEKS.

THEY HAVE BEEN USED ALREADY IN PUERTO RICO WHEN THEY LOST THEIR ENTIRE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY WERE WORKING VERY WELL THERE I THINK INDIA IN REMOTE LOCATIONS WHEN THEY'VE HAD A TORNADO OR PROBLEMS. DISSECTING THINGS ON, THEIR TESTED PRODUCTS BUT THEY WORK OFF OF NOTHING.

SO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY. EVERYTHING WAS DOWN.

ANY PERSON HUTTO CAN BRING UP THE PHONE, GO TO THEIR WI-FI NETWORK, CLICK ON THAT AND THEY ARE POKED IN AND LOCKED ON PIT MANAGER AND PEOPLE OF THE CITY CAN PUT WHAT HUTTO WANTS TO KNOW AND INFORMATION. IT IS PRETTY MUCH ONLY A ONE-WAY SYSTEM BUT WE CAN SET UP TO COMMANDEER A PROBLEM, GIVE US THE ADDRESS WE CAN COME OVER AND DO WELLNESS CHECKS ON PEOPLE. SO THERE IS A FREEZE AND I CANNOT TURN OFF MY WATER. IT WILL TAKE ALL THE WEIGHT OF THE 9-1-1 SYSTEM AND HAVING POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS TO THE WORK, WE CAN GET VOLUNTEERS THAT WE CAN DESIGNATE AND GOTTEN HELP PEOPLE AND TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF OF FIRE AND POLICE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT, THEY WORK BY THEMSELVES.

WHAT IS IT A WEEK IN THE BATTERY POWER?

>> A WEEK ON THE BATTERY POWER AND SOLAR POWERED SO -- IT IS A WEEK IF THERE'S OVERCAST FOR A WHOLE WEEK THERE WILL STILL FUNCTION. THE GREAT PART ABOUT IT, IF ONE GOES DOWN IT WILL TELL US. WE CAN ALSO PUT PORTABLE UNITS OF FIRE TRUCKS AND POLICE CARS. WHEN THE POLICE GO OUT THEY CAN SET ONE UP AND YOUR CONNECTION TO BRING YOUR NETWORK BACK UP AGAIN. THE COUNSELOR GIVES GPS STATUS OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING. SO YOU LOOK IN THE THE NETWORK FOR $500 EACH. THIS GIVES US OUR OWN LOCAL AREA NETWORK FOR THE PEOPOF.

EVERYONE USES PHONE AND FACEBOOK BUT WHAT IF INTERNET GOES DOWN? IT PROVES THAT COMMUNICATION BECOMES A IG PROBLEM. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ALWAYS WORK FOR US, IT'S BEEN USED IN DISASTER AREAS AND WHAT IS DESIGNED FOR. THAT WILL HELP THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO STAY CONNECTED TO US. WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM ACCURATE INFORMATION WHAT TO DO, WHERE SHELTERS ARE.

WHERE TO GET WATER, HOW THEY CAN OBTAIN HELP FROM US, STAY IN CONTACT AND YOU'LL FEEL SO ISOLATED AND ALONE.

IT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THAT. >> AND ONE MORE THING.

WE DID HAVE THE CEO COME DOWN AND WE RAN A NETWORK FROM CITY HALL, TO THE PD AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE MAP, ABLE TO SEND MESSAGES ALL AWAY FROM THE PD BACK TO THEIR ONE REPRESENTATIVE HERE AT CITY HALL AND SEE THEM COME UP ON THE BOARD. THEY DO NETWORK TOGETHER AND MESH TOGETHER AND AS THE NETWORK GROWS, IT MAKES IT STRONGER. ONE DROPS OUT, THE OTHER ONES AROUND IT WILL COME IN AND TRY TO FILL THE VOID UNTIL THAT ONE CAN BE BROUGHT BACK UP ONLINE OR THE PORTABLE UNITS IN LIKE POLICE AND FIRE TRUCKS GET OUT THERE AND GET THEM STAGED OUT

THERE. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I REMEMBER WAS, WHAT BROUGHT THIS ALL ON WAS THE EMPHASIS ON THE TASK FORCE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE A REPEAT IN TERMS OF NO COMMUNICATION. NO PHONES, NO POWER AND WHAT HAPPENED IF THAT HAPPENED FOR AN EXTENDED TIME.

I THINK THE BEST WAY OF BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXPLAIN IT IS, IF YOU GO TO HOTEL THE FIRST TIME YOU GO TO GET ON THE INTERNET, YOU GO TO WI-FI AND IT COMES YOU HAVE TO PUT THE HOTEL NUMBER IN. THIS WOULD WORK JUST LIKE THAT.

THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY OFF THE GRID, I THINK IS INTERESTING. THEN THE DASHBOARD, THE INTERESTING PART WAS WHEN THEY HAD THE EXHIBIT, IT'S ALL -- YOU CAN HAVE A COMMAND CENTER IN A SEVERE WEATHER, YOU WOULD KNOW SOMETHING HAPPENED BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU START SEEING CLUSTER DUCK SAY ALL AROUND GLENWOOD, YOU KNOW RIGHT AWAY THE CALLS WILL COME IN OR COMMUNICATIONS MAY BE DUMB BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REPORTING BACK AND THEY GOT LIKE COMEDIES BECAUSE THAT WHOLE THING WHERE POP DUCK,

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BABY DUCK, HAVE ALL THE TERMINOLOGY WAS CATCHY IS, THE ONE THING COMMISSION THE TASK FORCE HAD IT FIGURED I THINK EXACTLY IS HOW TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC WHERE INSTEAD OF GOING TO, ONE OF THE ISSUES WE ADDRESSED DURING THE ICE STORM, SOMEONE WAS GETTING INFORMATION FROM GOOGLE BECAUSE IT WAS AN OLDER GENTLEMAN US AND HOW ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION? HE SAID I GOOGLE IT. I SAID THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY. THE NEXT-DOOR WAS ONE AND THEIR PEOPLE NEXT-DOOR THAT DON'T KNOW THEY GO TO FACEBOOK, THEY SAY THE POST GETS PUSHED DOWN QUICKLY AND SO, THE CITY HAS A WEBSITE BUT THE CITY IS DOWN SO I THINK THIS KIND OF SOLVES, THE CITY CAN ADDRESS IT, PUT MESSAGES, WE HAD A TRAIN DERAILMENT. AND WHATEVER, DON'T GO OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF CHEMICALS. PEOPLE CAN SEE SMOKE OR SOMETHING AND AFTER TIME -- LAST THING, THE TASK FORCE.

WITH THIS MORNING THEY'RE GOING TO BUY STUFF I SAID HOLD ON, THIS WILL GO TO COUNSEL COUNSEL MUST BE WILLING TO TAKE THE MONEY, THERE'S A PROCESS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS.

YOU CANNOT JUST BUY IT SO THAT'S WHAT WAS WITH THE PRESENTATION THEY WANTED TO SHOW WHERE THEY'D GONE TO, WHAT THE PLAN IS THE NEXT STEP ASSUMING COUNSEL WANTS TO PROCEED. THEN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO KIND OF BRING WHAT THEY BEEN DOING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE

IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON THE AGENDA YET, WE ALSO FOUND OUT SOME NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME KIND OF FUNDING FOR TORNADO SIRENS.

WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE TIME AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION LOOK INTO THE ALSO TRY AND FIND SOME FUNDING.

I THINK THAT BETTER THAN 50 PERCENT PAID FOR BY DIFFERENT FUNDING DOING UNIQUE FUNDING. TO GET TORNADO SIRENS FOR HUTTO SO WE CAN EITHER ADD ON TO THE SYSTEM AND ADDED TO THE SYSTEM.

THIS WAY WE CAN BETTER PROTECT OUR PEOPLE IN THE EVENT OF A TORNADO WE SAW THIS YEAR. WHETHER TO USE THE MONEY FOR THE -- HOW WE PROCEED WITH THAT, I'LL GIVE THE MANAGER THE LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE $2000. WE ALSO MEETING GO WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY ON THE 13TH. THEY ARE COMING DOWN AND WILL TAKE THE CLASSES TO GET CERTIFIED YOU HAVE TO BE FCC CERTIFIED WHICH IS NOT A BIG DEAL.

IT'S NOT THAT HARD. EVEN IF WE DID ISSUE THE RADIO TO THE COUNCIL, YOU GUYS COULD LISTEN IN ON IT AND ALSO HAS A BUILT-IN WEATHER BAND FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK ILLNESS FCC CERTIFIED AND HAVE A RADIO NUMBER THAT THEY THINK BECOMES LEGAL AT THAT POINT EVEN AN EMERGENCY. WILLIAMSON COUNTY BACKUP AND MOST COUNTY BACKUPS ARE FOR TO USE HAND RADIO IS A SECONDARY THING. TO HELP IN EMERGENCIES, SEARCHES AND OTHER THINGS. WE WOULD JUST BE GOING PART OF THE SYSTEM. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE FOR THAT. WE WOULD JUST BE ADDING ON TO THE SYSTEM BY GETTING THAT TRAINING AND USING THE SYSTEM

ALSO. >> QUESTION, IF WE ARE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND, IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD -- SHOW UP AND PAY AND

GET CERTIFIED? >> WILL BE HERE.

ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IS WILLING.

>> ATTENDING THE MEETINGS IS FINE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND, GET THE TRAINING PAY FOR IT AND GET

CERTIFIED AT THE MEETING? >> YES, YOU ARE ALL WELCOME ALWAYS. IF ANYONE WANTS TO WATCH ENTIRE CLUSTER DUCK PRESENTATION, I SHOT THAT IN 4K BUT I DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD THING, A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION THEY PUT ON.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON.

WE COULD SEND THAT TO THE COUNCIL.

IT IS A LITTLE BIG RIGHT NOW BUT.

>> LIKE THERE'S A VENDOR THAT HAS KIND OF PRIORITIZED THE CLUSTER DUCK HARDWARE BUT ALSO LIKE THAT CLUSTER DUCK ITSELF IS OPEN SOURCE, OPEN PROJECT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A SPENDER. IF THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS WE ARE NOT OUT.OU CAN ACTUALLY BUY CERTAIN MICROCONTROLLERS AND RADIOS AND PUT A SYSTEM TOGETHER DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF, GET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS LITTLE ABOUT IT TAKES A LOT OF SKILL I CAN PUT ONE OF THESE TOGETHER QUICKLY.

YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO BUILD A SYSTEM OURSELVES IF WE HAD TO. NOT THAT IT IS THE PREFERRED WAY TO DO IT IS GREAT TO HAVE HER VENDOR WITH THE PRODUCT BUT I LIKE THAT AS FAR AS RELIABILITY AND LOOKING FORWARD. JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.

>> I THINK EVENTUALLY CLUSTER DUCK IS GOING WITH SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS. TO GO FURTHER WHEN THEY BUILD ONTO IT. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT

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THESE GUYS THEY TOLD US BUT THEY WON I THINK $500,000 REWARD FROM IBM DISTRACTOR COMPANY.

THIS IS A PRETTY CUTTING EDGE STUFF.

AGAIN, OPEN SOURCE ANYONE CAN BUILD OR USE IT.

IT'S A PRETTY INTERESTING CONCEPT BUT WILL KNOW HOW TO GET ONTO WI-FI. WE DO IT EVERY DAY.

SO TO TEACH RESIDENTS, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO EVERYONE HAS A CELL PHONE, EVERYONE CAN CLICK ON THAT AND GET THE INFORMATION FROM YOU. AND IT GIVES YOU OPENING PAGE AND IT'S BASICALLY A -- SERVICE BUT US PUSHING INFORMATION OUT THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY OF HUTTO WITHOUT BEING FILTERED THROUGH SOME OTHER YOU KNOW, LIKE PLATFORM WHICH IS A

GOOD WAY TO PUT THAT. >> I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE 13TH. THE MEETING WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THE GENTLEMAN ABOUT THE TRAINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I TALKED TO HIM ACTUALLY ON THE PHONE TODAY.

AND HE'S GOING TO COME DOWN OR ONE OF HIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL COME DOWN, TELL US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO BASICALLY TAKE US IN AND WALK US THROUGH STEP-BY-STEP TO BECOME PART OF THEIR GROUP. YOU MENTIONED TO ME THAT THERE IS A GOOD HANDFUL OF MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN HUTTO AND THE SURROUNDING AREA OF HUTTO. SO, HE'S EXCITED TO HAVE US JOIN THAT GROUP AND THEY DO TRAININGS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. AND OF COURSE, THEY SPIN UP IN ANY TIME WITH AN EMERGENCY THE SEVERE WEATHER AND STUFF ROLLING -- DURING THE FREEZE I WAS ON DUTY AND OUR RADIOS WENT COMPLETELY DOWN. I DON'T MEDICATION BECAUSE MY DEPARTMENT RADIOS ARE NOT PROGRAMMED WITH THE HAND RADIO STUFF YET. BASED ON FOUR WERE READY GOING AND THEY WERE FIELDING CALLS AND TAKING CALLS AND GETTING RESOURCES DISPATCHED TO OTHER AREAS SO WE HAD CALLS COMING IN EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY CELL PHONE SERVICE ORIENTED LIKE THAT AND WE WERE STILL GOING SO THEY WERE THE BACKBONE

TO THAT. >> AND WAS THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY SYSTEM, YOU CAN EVEN MAKE SYSTEMS IF YOU HAVE TWO.

BUT THE COST OF THE RADIOS ARE BETWEEN ANYWHERE FROM FOR DECENT RADIO YOU LOOKING AT $60 WITH TWO BATTERIES AND A CLIP.

TO MAY BE THE TOP-OF-THE-LINE WITH MORE WATERPROOF LITTLE BETTER MAYBE $100. THE $2000 WILL GO A LONG WAY IN THE SITUATION. FOR US.

WE HAVE NOTHING NOW. IT WILL GIVE US SOMETHING.

IF WE DECIDE WE NEED MORE LATER WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

I THINK AS MUCH AS THEY WILL BE USED IN AN EMERGENCY, I THINK IT'S A PERFECT SOLUTION TO HAVE A BACKUP.

THEN YOU CAN GET ALL YOUR BUSINESS DONE THROUGH AUXILIARY TO BEING IN THE 9-1-1 SYSTEM. YOU CAN STILL TALK TO THEM

ALSO. >> TOO QUICKLY HOW YOU TEST TO

THE RADIOS. >> YOU WANT?

>> IT WAS YOUR RADIO. >> WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE $60 RADIO AND READ IT UNDERWATER FOR A WHILE AND IT STILL WORKS TO THIS DAY. SO, ARE THEY THE BEST THING WE COULD BUY? MILITARY STUFF? NO. BUT WE ARE NOT SPENDING $2000 PER RADIO. FOR AS MUCH AS WE ZEEZ I THINK A 60 OR $100 RADIO IS FINE FOR US.

FOR OUR NEEDS AND IT HELPS US. AND AGAIN, WE AS A COUNTY THEIR TRAILERS THAT THEY CAN BRING IN TO HELP US.

AND TO BE PART OF THE NETWORK AND THEIR TOWERS ALREADY UP

THAT UTILIZE THE STUFF. >> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM, THANK YOU FOR GOING TO THE PROCESS IN RESEARCHING AND ABOVE ALL THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME FOR THE CITIZENS. I'M CURIOUS, ONE THANKSGIVING UP TO ME HAVE YOU COLLABORATED WITH STAFF AT ALL ON THIS? HAS THE CITY BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THIS, I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATIONAL KIND OF PARTS BUT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO WILL HAVE THE RADIOS? AND WHO WILL BE 24 -- A LOT OF QUESTIONS I KNOW IT'S A GREAT THING.

THE CITY MANAGER IS REQUESTING FOR A NEW FULL-TIME POSITION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WITHIN THE CITY.

I'M CURIOUS HAVE YOU ALL MET WITH STAFF OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND WORK TOGETHER ON THIS?

>> CHIEF OF POLICE WAS AT THE CLUSTER DUCK PRESENTATION AND VERY IMPRESSED BY WHAT IT CAN DO.

THE RADIO STUFF, THERE RADIOS WORK ON THIS NETWORK.

THEY REALLY WOULD'VE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AS FAR AS THAT GOES. WE ARE RUNNING A PLAN.

OUR PLAN IS AUXILIARY TO WHAT THEY DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EVER DICTATE TO THEM HOW THEY

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OPERATE, THAT IS THEIR DOMAIN. I'LL GET TO THE POINT.

YES, WE TALKED TO THEM. THE FREQUENCIES WE WILL USE OUR AUXILIARY TEARS. THERE SHOULD BE NO OVERLAP.

THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN WE ARE WRITING UP, SHOULD DESIGNATE WHO IS IN CHARGE THROUGHOUT THE BASIS WITH SYSTEMS AND EVERYTHING FOLLOWING THAT TEMPLATE.

THAT WILL ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND IT WILL BE IN WRITING. IT WILL GO TO COUNSEL FIRST.

>> YOU GO TO PUT STAFF FIRST? >> STAFF WILL BE INVOLVED AT THE SAME TIME. CRACKS WRITING THE PROCESS AS

WELL? >> IF THEY WANT TO BE.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ON THIS?

>> NOT PREVIOUSLY, NO. >> THAT WAS ALL.

I'M NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE PROGRAM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> IF THEY WANT TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND BE PART OF THE PROCESS WE WELCOME THEM. ANY INPUT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS THERE MAKING A DRAFT -- TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER. THE IDEA WAS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE.

THEN INCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER AND FROM THERE, COME INSIDE FOR NEXT STEPS. NOT SO MUCH OF THEIR GOING TO DO THEIR THING AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE A ROAD TASK FORCE PRODUCE MORE FIRST IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM AND THEN THE GOAL WAS, HOW DO YOU FIX THE PROBLEM AND COMMUNICATED WITH THE CITY MANAGER. WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THAT PART.

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE LIKE FIVE PAGES INTO THE MANUAL

SOMETHING. >> YES IS A 200 PAGE MANUAL.

WE CAUGHT A LOT OF IT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THAT BIG OF A CITY BUT WHEN YOU READ EVERYBODY ELSE'S EMERGENCY PLAN, THE BIG CITIES ARE ALL WORKING WITH THE SAME MASSACHUSETTS TEMPLATE THAT IS EVERYBODY UP. WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT SYSTEMATICALLY. AS MANAGERS FOR FISCAL STUFF LIKE THE AMOUNT OF MILEAGE OF THE ENTIRE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHICH IS -- WAS A PLAN AS WRITTEN, IT GOES TO THEM AND THEN WE COLLABORATE AND GET THEIR STUFF.

IT DEFINITELY GOES TO US FOR APPROVAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM, NEEDED TO DESIGNATE SOMEONE THAT HAS TO DO AUXILIARY STUFF AND LIAISON WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WAS ALL PART OF THE PLAN, IT WILL BE WHERE WE ALL SIT DOWN AND USE DECIDE WHO YOU WANT WEAR.

IF YOU STEP ONTO A FOOTBALL FIELD, YOU WANT TO PLAY BACK.

THAT'S ALL IT IS. AGAIN, WHAT TO TELL YOU, WILL NEVER STEP ON PEATY OR FIRE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THING TO DO. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THEIR VISION WHEN THEY WALK INTO AN EMERGENCY OR TORNADO OR WHATEVER, THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE INCIDENT.

THE STUFF WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH IS AUXILIARY TO THAT.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH PEOPLE IN THE OUTLYING AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE POWER FOR A WEEK? HOW TO GET MEDICINE OR FOOD OR FEMA, HOW DO WE GET THEM SHELTER? IT'S ALL AUXILIARY TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF OF THEM BECAUSE POWER GOES OUT, POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE AT EVERY INTERSECTION DIRECTING TRAFFIC.

WE FIRE OR TRAIN DERAILMENT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.

THE BEST THE PUBLIC IS BEING DEALT WITH AUXILIARY BIOS.

IN THE CITY TO DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS SO AS NOT OVERWHELMING TO THEM. EVERYTHING WORKS GREAT.

YOU GET MUTUAL AID FROM EVERYBODY ELSE.

BUT INSTEAD WITH THE PHRASE WE LEARN WHEN THE WHOLE STATE GOES DOWN, WHAT DO YOU DO? IT'S A GAME BOOK.

IS IT PERFECT FOR EVERYTHING? NO BUT IT WILL GIVE YOU ROADMAP

WHAT TO GIVE. >> THAT IS HAVE A COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. THINK IT'S AN AWESOME TASK FORCE AND MAYBE JUST WANT TO PLANT THE SEED WITH US AS COUNSEL. FORESEE IS POSSIBLY CONVERTING THIS OVER INTO A PERMANENT BOARD. I WILL PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPENING EVENTUALLY WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK YOU ARE DOING HAS MORE OF A PERMANENCE TO IT.

AND KIND OF A LONG TERM WHAT WE ARE DOING ESPECIALLY AS EMERGENCY SERVICES MANAGER THAT STAFF NEEDS.

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT AS I WAS LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS.

MAYBE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER DOWN THE ROAD.

QUESTION TASK FORCE IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY AND

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THEN END. >> THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF YOU CAN DO.> -- THERE LIKE FOUR ON THE TASK FORCE.

FCC CHANNELS GOING ON AND I JUST WROTE A COUPLE OF NOTES.

I GOT THE GIST OF IT. LOOK AT REAL TECHNICAL ESPECIALLY WITH THE PEOPLE COMING IN.

>> QUICK QUESTION. HAVE THESE HANDHELDS AND THERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ARE THEY NUMBERED OR DID HAVE

GPS? >> NUMBERED, GPS AND PERMANENT LOCATIONS. WHEREVER WE WORK WITH THE CLUSTER DUCK PEOPLE TO PUT THEM OUT THERE, IF THEY GET STOLEN, WE CAN TRACK THEM. IF ONE GOES DOWN THE SYSTEM, YOU CAN BRING IT UP ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN AND THE SHOW IS LIVE, THEY ARE CHECKING IN, WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE REALLY A FUNCTION IF ONE HAS PROBLEMS IT WILL TELL US RIGHT AWAY.

OFFER $500 UNIT WHICH WORKS WELL BUT THE FACT THAT THEY BEEN TESTED IN PUERTO RICO WHEN THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE WENT DOWN, THEY WORK PERFECTLY. STILL WORKING.

ALSO IN REMOTE AREAS OF INDIA THEY WORK PERFECTLY.

WE WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE US TO IMPLEMENT THEM HERE WHICH WILL BE COOL FOR US. BUT ANYBODY AROUND US THAT WANT TO JOIN, CITIES AND TOWNS CAN JOIN OUR NETWORK AND WE MAKE IT BIGGER AND BIGGER. HE GIVES PEOPLE THE SECURITY BLANKET OF SAFETY THAT WE CAN ALWAYS TALK TO THEM AND THEY CAN ALWAYS TALK TO US. AND GET AN IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHICH IS INVALUABLE.

>> I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO YOU SHOT BECAUSE I'M NOT VERY TECH SAVVY PERSON. KIND OF IMAGINE THIS COMING UP ON THE BOARD AND FOR ME IT'S ALL ABSTRACT.

I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO SEE IT IN MOTION WORKING.

I WOULD PERSONALLY BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE VIDEO.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU THE DRIVE WITH THE WHOLE VIDEO ON IT.

>> SHOT IN 4K WHICH MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DOWN ROAD BUT I HAVE A DRIVE WITH IT ON IT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BORROW IT AND WATCH THE PRESENTATION.

YOU GET EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

>> WE CAN GET IT TO JAMES AND JAMES CAN FIGURE A WAY TO KEEP A COPY HERE SO MORE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT.

>> IS A 4K VIDEO, I'M SORRY. YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW BIG THOSE

AREN'T TO GO TO USE IT. >> HE SAID THERE 500 EACH AND WE NEED 15 SO TOTAL COST OF 11,000.

>> 500 EACH AND THE MAP THEY LAID OUT FOR US THAT I SENT TO THEM. I CAN ALSO GET THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL. SO HE CAN DISPERSE IT OUT.

I WENT ON THE WEBSITE AND FOUND THE MAP OF THE CITY.

SENT IT TO THEM AND SAID DO YOUR MAGIC.

THEY STARTED MEASURING THINGS AND TO COVER THE FIRST WHAT WE WILL CALL STAGE I, 30 UNITS. SO IT WAS --

>> ABOUT 15,000. >> OB TO COVER 95 PERCENT GIVE OR TAKE OF THE CITY LIMITS. BUT WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT OTHER RESIDENCES STILL HAVE HUTTO ADDRESS BUT LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. TAKEN IN STAGES.

THE GUYS THAT RECOMMENDED IMPLEMENTING STAGES, THEY KEEP BUILDING AND BUILDING UNDER THE NETWORK AND MAYBE THE SURROUNDING CITIES WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND START BUILDING THEIR NETWORK AND CONNECTING TO OURS.

THESE GUYS ANSWER EVERY QUESTION I'VE HAD.

I CAN HAVE THESE ANSWERS IN OUR THEY'RE WILLING TO COME DOWN IF WE PROCEED LATER ON WITH THIS. COME DOWN AND NOT ONLY SET UP THE NETWORK, HELP TRAIN PEOPLE COME HELP TRAIN PEOPLE HOW TO FIX ISSUES WITH THEM IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG.

AND THEN ONE OF THE FIRST MAJOR CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE LIKE A AGREEMENT TO COME IN AND SERVICE THEM AND THINGS THAT THEY APPEAR ONE OF THE GUYS LIVES IN HOUSTON, THE RESTAURANT NEW YORK SOME SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE UNITED

STATES. >> ESSENTIALLY, THAT THE COST OF ALL THE UNITS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WOULD THEN

HAVE HANDOUTS. >> THE INDIVIDUALS WITH A HANDHELD WOULD BE THE AMATEUR STUFF.

THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.

STILL ALL THE SAME PURPOSE, BUT EVERYONE, EVERY CITIZEN CAN USE EVERY CITIZEN THE OTHER WOULD BE JUST THE KEY PLAYERS IN THE

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GAME TO COMMUNICATE AND GET RESOURCES TO AND FROM.

BUT THESE COULD ALSO BE DEPLOYED TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAVE A UNIT GO DOWN YOU WANT TO SET UP A LOCAL AREA NETWORK AROUND THE SITE.

OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND YOU CAN DO THAT, THEN FROM THE POLICE STATION THEY CAN ALSO PUT OUT INFORMATION FROM THERE.

-- ALSO, WE CAN PUSH OUT INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND GIVE THE MOST ACCURATE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT THEM TO HAVE.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE NOT KEEPING PEOPLE IN THE DARK.

YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO HOPEFULLY EITHER EVACUATE OR SURVIVE IN THESE SITUATIONS AND IS COMING RIGHT FROM US. IT IS NOT ABLE TO BE HACKED AND IT WORKS WELL IN SITUATIONS. IT ALLOWS US AND THE POLICE OR FIRE TO DECIDE WHO SENT MESSAGES, IT ALLOWS TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE IS ACCURATE AND COMING FROM US.

AND YOU MISSED THE PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH, THINGS THAT HAPPEN. IT IS KIND OF A WAY FOR HUTTO TO KEEP INFORMED OF THE PUBLIC WITHOUT LARGE EXPENSE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GOES ON WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> WE SEE THE VIDEO HE TOOK IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

AND FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GET A HOLD OF ONE OF US.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANKS GUYS.

>> THANKS FOR HEARING US OUT, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

>> NO ITEM 10.3. >> CAN I ASK FOR A RECESS?

>> SURE. >> WILL COME BACK IN NINE

MINUTES AT 10:15 PM.>> 10:18 P RECESS.

[10.3. Consideration of a public hearing and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-045 approving and adopting a budget for the City of Hutto for the Fiscal Year beginning October 1, 2022 and ending September 30, 2023. (First Reading) (Angie Rios)]

LET'S START WITH 10.3, CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NO. O-2022-045 APPROVING AND ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2022 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER

30, 2023. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ANGIE RIOS, CFO. I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO GO OVER.

TOTAL BUDGET AS IT STANDS TODAY.

YOU GOT 83 MILLION TOTAL. YOU CAN SEE THE ONLY CHANGES BEEN IN THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT WE DID ONLY CHANGES MADE IN THE GENERAL FUND, ARE WHAT WE CALL BUDGET CARRYOVERS, ENCUMBRANCES THAT HAVE OCCURRED, BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSEL. THOSE ITEMS HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT COMPLETELY THIS YEAR. WE WILL ROLL THE FUNDS OVER THE NEXT YEAR. THE GENERATOR AS WE ALL KNOW, THE BIG DINNER FOR THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN ON ORDER FOR MONTHS FOR THE COMP PLAN IS NOT COMPLETE.

WE ARE STARTING THE SIDEWALK PHASE 1. -- THE GATE THERE.

WE HAVE SOME VEHICLES IN ORDER THAT HAVE BEEN FOR MONTHS.

THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE BIDDING SOME TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS AND OF COURSE IT MASTER PLAN IS UNDERWAY.

$2.9 MILLION OF ROLLOVER UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

>> AND THE STREETS PROJECT, THAT THE ANTICIPATED REPAIRS WE WILL NEED BASED ON THE SURVEY WE ARE DOING OR WHAT IS THAT

FOR? >> A COMBINATION.

IT'S MONEY FOR THE STREET DEPARTMENT WILL GET STARTED ON 199 AND FRONT STREET. WE KNEW THAT WE WERE MOVING OUT FROM THE BONDING. IT HAD BEEN ON THE LIST BUT WE KNOW IF YOU DRIVE THAT LIKE I DO EVERY DAY YOU KNOW IT IS IN BAD SHAPE AND GETTING WORSE DAILY.

IT'S NOT HELPING IT. THEY WILL GET AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON THAT. THEN TALKING ANOTHER SMALL PROJECT AT -- AND 132. THEY SAY THE ROAD IS DETERIORATING BADLY WHERE THE BUSES ARE COMING THROUGH.

GETTING STARTED ON THOSE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT, IF IT'S ONLY 30 DAYS OF THE YEAR LAST IN THE FISCAL YEAR WOULD KNOW THEY WILL FINISH IN TIME. WILL ROLL THOSE, THEN BECAUSE WE DID HAVE PROJECTS WITH SOME MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR THEY DID NOT GET USED LIKE FOR CARL STERN SO WE ARE REALLY NOT IN ANTICIPATION OF NEEDING IT AFTER THE PAYMENT ASSESSMENT COMES BACK. WE DO EXPECT THAT WE WILL NEED

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TO DO SOME WORK WHEN WE GET THOSE RESULTS.

THIS WILL HELP GET STARTED. WE DON'T KNOW, WE'VE NO IDEA WHAT IT WILL PRESENT THE WILL MONEY TO GET GOING.

ESPECIALLY IF THERE PRODUCTS THAT FOLKS CAN DO THAT WE WILL NEED TO NECESSARILY BID OUT. WE DON'T KNOW THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF IT SO UNTIL WE GET THAT BACK.

AND THEN COMP THE CITY MANAGER HAS REQUESTED SOME ITEMS HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE BUDGET.

THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MANAGER.

OBVIOUSLY, AFTER THE LAST PRESENTATION YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED. VICTIM ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. REGULATORY COMPLIANCE MANAGER IN PUBLIC WORKS TO HELP WITH REGULATORY FILING.

AND DIFFERENT AGENCIES. KEEPING UP WITH ALL THAT.

MANAGEMENT ANALYST WOULD BE IN THE CITY MANAGERS OFFICE.

AND THEN, AS PART OF THAT WE WOULD REDUCE THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGERS SALARY WHERE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THE BUDGET IS HIGHER THAN WHAT HE'S ANTICIPATING HE WOULD NEED FOR THE POSITION. WE WOULD REDUCE THAT TO OFFSET WHAT HE LIKE TO ADD. WE HAVE AN HR GENERALIST AND THEN, INCLUDED WAS A CAPCOG TRANSIT STUDY BUT AFTER THE CITY MANAGERS MET WITH THEM, HE LIKED TO PULL THAT FOR NEXT YEAR FROM THE BUDGET. AND THEN OF COURSE THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY COUNSEL.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP, -- CITY MANAGER! THANK YOU, HUTTO.

[LAUGHTER] THE VICTIMS ASSISTANT COORDINATOR IS A POSITION THAT I AM, WHAT THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.

BUT THAT IS A POSITION WE CAN GRANT FUND AT LEAST PARTIALLY.

THE ISSUE IS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ASK FOR THE GRANT UNTIL THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

IT'S SOMETHING I WANT YOU ALL TO CONSIDER POTENTIALLY TO AUTHORIZE BUT IF YOU DON'T AUTHORIZE IT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, I INTEND TO ASK THE CHIEF TO WRITE THE GRANT.

AND IF WE RECEIVE THE GRANT FUNDING FOR IT, WOULD COME BACK TO COUNSEL TO ASK YOU TO AUTHORIZE AT THAT TIME.

>> THE QUESTION OF THE SCOPE. DOES THAT CARRY THROUGH TO WHEN SOMETHING REACHES THE COURT SYSTEM ALL THE WAY THROUGH OR JUST KIND OF THE INITIAL INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE?

>> VICTIMS ASSISTANCE COORDINATOR.

THEY ARE DOING IS ACTUALLY, THEY ARE THERE TO HELP SUPPORT THE VICTIMS OF CRIME. SO, THEY ARE THERE FOR THE WHOLE ASPECT OF THAT. I'VE HAD VICTIM SERVICES COORDINATORS EVEN AT TRIAL TO HELP SUPPORT THE VICTIMS. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT PLUGGING THE MEN WITH THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM WHICH IT IS.

BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT SUPPORT AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED NATIONALLY WITH POLICING, THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF THE VICTIMS AND OF THE POLICE THEMSELVES IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT.

AS A COMMUNITY WHEN YOU MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING

THAT ISSUE. >> I'VE SEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES IN THE PASTURE OF PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY COULD HAVE USED THAT SUPPORT. AND I JUST SOMEONE RECENTLY OF SOMEBODY WHO IS DEALING WITH AN ISSUE THAT WENT TO THE COURT SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY ARE KIND OF, THERE'S NOBODY TO ANSWER THEM FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE.

THAT WOULD BE THIS PERSONS ROLE SO IT'S SOMETHING I CAN REALLY

SEE. >> COUNSEL COULD ALWAYS CHOOSE TO FUND IT AND THEN WE CAN STILL GRANT AND WE COULD OFFSET THE EXPENSES OR ANY NUMBER OF THINGS BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IS WHAT THE INTENT WOULD BE.

TO WRITE THE GRANT, JUST THE GRANT OPEN AT A PARTICULAR TIME OF YEAR AND THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY OPEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> WHAT IS A POTENTIAL OF THE

GRANT FUNDING? >> I MEAN, IT ALL DEPENDS BUT USUALLY IT IS 100 PERCENT THE FIRST YEAR AND IT IS A STEP DOWN, BUT THAT IS USUALLY CAPPED AT A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT MAY BE 100 PERCENT OF YOUR SALARY IS LOW ENOUGH.

BUT IF YOUR SALARY IS HIGHER OR COST BENEFITS ARE HIGHER THAN THE CITY MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT IS OVER THE.

>> PERFECT. >> THE SAME THING ON THE COPS GRANT ENOUGH YOU MEMBER THE PRESENTATION.

WHILE WE WERE APPLYING FOR THAT THERE STILL WOULD BE A GOOD PIECE OF THAT. EVEN IF WE ARE AWARDED WE HAVE

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TO PAY FOR THOSE. >> QUESTION POTENTIAL DUTIES OF MANAGEMENT ANALYST. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THEM DOING?

>> WHAT MANAGEMENT ANALYST DO, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY, YOUNG, MPA STUDENTS OR GRADUATE STUDENTS, THEY ARE HIGHER LEVEL THEN IN TURN. BUT THEY ARE NOT HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL IN THE ORGANIZATION TO BE MANAGING OTHER PEOPLE YET.

THEY ARE TYPICALLY PUT ON STRIKE FORCES.

THEY DON'T USUALLY WORK INDEPENDENTLY.

THEY USUALLY PUT INTO STRIKE FORCES TO GO INTO THE ORGANIZATION AND TO WORK, EMBED THEMSELVES IN HR TO WORK ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT THEY MUST DEFINE US TO WORK ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT. THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST ALSO IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I AM LOOKING AT REINVIGORATE THE CITIZENS UNIVERSITY, WHATEVER HUTTO BRANDS AS.

LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

I WOULD HAVE THE MANAGEMENT ANALYST BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD THING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING TO GET EXPERIENCE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION AND SEE HOW EVERYTHING WORKS.

THEY WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND IS BASICALLY A PIPELINE FOR FUTURE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS OR CITY

ADMINISTRATORS. >> OKAY.

I DON'T WANT TO MAYBE STEAL THE MAYOR'S THUNDER BUT THE MAYOR AND I TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT THE VALUE OF HAVING A PROJECT MANAGER. ON THE STAFF.

I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROJECT MANAGING ALL OF THESE ROAD PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT GOING ON MAKING SURE THEY ARE HAPPENING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDERED ABOUT OR THAT YOU SEE FROM THE ENGINEERING SERVICES SIDE OR HAVE YOU SEE THAT --

>> IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE AND WE USUALLY WORK ON PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR A DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME BUT NOT BE THE PROJECT MANAGER. I SEE THIS HAPPENING IN ENGINEERING. AND FRANKLY, MORE THAN LIKELY I'LL BE ASKING COUNSEL TO AUTHORIZE ME TO REACTIVATE THE STAFF CITY ENGINEER WHO WILL PROJECT MANAGE THOSE.

AND OPEN UP THAT POSITION START BUILDING SOMEWHAT OF A PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM BECAUSE IT IS EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU SEE ENGINEER AND SUBDUING. THE ENGINEERS HAVE THE BENCH DEPTH TO BE ABLE TO DO OTHER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE A CITY THE SIZE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO HAVE SURVEYORS AND RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION PEOPLES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS PLUS THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND SO ON

AND SO FORTH. >> GREAT.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. >> OKAY.

>> I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION.

>> WE WILL START WITH -- >> COULD I START?

>> YES. >> IF THAT'S OKAY?

>> WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I THINK PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO

SPEAK. >> LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 10:30 P.M. ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE BUDGET, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE JIM MORRIS.

COME ON UP. >> FIRST OFF, I AM JIM MORRIS.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2008. MY WIFE WAS A RESIDENT HERE BEFORE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE AND BEING UP HERE. WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SERVICE UP HERE.

AND THE CITIZENS HAVE COME UP TO ALSO PARTICIPATE.

THIS WAS SOMETHING I WROTE ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

MAYBE A LITTLE MORE. MAY NOT BE AS PRESSING AS NOW AS IT WAS BACK THEN BUT, I WANTED TO EXPAND ON THIS QUOTE NEW BUDGET DEBT. TO ENSURE THE I'M UNDERSTANDING. THERE IS 10 MILLION, 30 MILLION, 60 MILLION IN NEW DEBT.

THAT'S OVER 30 YEARS. 30 YEARS TO REPAY.

NOT SURE THE URGENCY TO ACQUIRE MORE NEW DEBT, JUST NOW, WHEN WE WERE WAITING WHEN YOU'RE IN A NEW 30 YEAR NOTE.

IT DOESN'T FEEL TOO EXTREME. I'M NOT A FINANCIAL PERSON BUT THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM MY MORTGAGES, MY CAR LOANS AND THINGS LIKE THIS. AND I KNOW IN CONJUNCTION WITH

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THE CITY OF HUTTO BEING BEHIND 3 TO 5 YEARS OR LONGER MULTIPLE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, WHY NOT USE WHAT WE HAVE NOW SEVEN TO $12 MILLION, NOT SURE THE EXACT FIGURE.

BUT USE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND PRIORITIZE ON PRIORITY ITEMS. NOT ALL OF THEM.

I'M NOT ANTI-PARK BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADS AND THINGS AND SAFETY AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

IN MY OPINION THE CITY HAS HAD A REALLY GOOD ONE TO TWO YEARS OF SOLID QUOTE CATCH UP REGARDING STABILIZING COUNSEL, REVIEWING PAST MISTAKES, WHY NOT STAND THIS COURSE FOR ONE MORE YEAR LETTING THE FOUNDATION CURE SO TO SPEAK, FOR ONE MORE YEAR BEFORE BUILDING ON THOSE SUCCESSES WITH NEW, LARGE, LONG-TERM DEBT.

THEN WE CAN WORK ON INTEGRATING AND IMPLEMENTING WHAT I'M CALLING THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN. WHICH A THING IS BETTER DESCRIBED AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE. MY UNDERSTANDING SHOULD BE READY FOR COUNSEL REVIEW BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER. WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS.

AND EXPERIENCES. BEEN ON THE JOB LESS THAN FOUR WEEKS MY UNDERSTANDING. WITHOUT BROADER AND DETAILED INSIGHT AND DIRECTION ON THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

A WISE MAN, A QUOTE, WISE MEN SEEK WISE COUNSEL.

AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST NOW ON STAFF.

BUT HE IS ONE OF MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ADVISED TO COUNSEL AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THESE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF, THAT WE HAVE ARE WORKING FOR THE BETTERMENT OF HUTTO CITIZENS.

BUT, WE STILL HAVE A COMPANY HAS A PLAN.

SOMEONE SAID THAT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE CITY OF HUTTO COMPLETED APPROXIMATELY TWO PROJECTS PER YEAR.

THE CURRENT, I'M SAYING WISHLIST, NOT TO BE DISPARAGING BUT JUST THE WISH LIST THAT WE HAVE A THINK HALF A DOZEN TO MAYBE MORE THAN A DOZEN PROJECTS SLATED FOR NEXT YEAR.

IS THIS PLAUSIBLE AND/OR DOABLE AND OR WISE IN THIS ONE YEAR? IN MY OPINION IT SEEMS PRUDENT TO LEVERAGE CITY COUNCIL NEW SUCCESSES AND METHODOLOGY AND EXPAND DEBT SLOWLY OR AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THE CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF HUTTO CANNOT AFFORD MORE TAXES. WE ARE ALREADY TAXED.

TO THE LIMIT. I PREFER WE WAIT ON ONLY KNEW LARGE LONG DEBT. I PREFER WEIGHT ON ANY NEW LARGE LONG-TERM DEBT. PLEASE, CONFIRM OR CLARIFY ANY POINT OVER AND ABOVE HERE. IF THERE IS A MISTAKE OR NEED EXPANSION ON IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE COMMENTS.

OR ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> ANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 10:35 PM, OPEN UP TO COUNSEL COMMENT. I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER --

>> I HAVE CREATED A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION BECAUSE I'M KIND OF A PERSON THAT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF ON FACEBOOK. I TYPICALLY DON'T RESPOND THAT WAY I BELIEVE IT SHOULD COME FROM THE DAIS IN THIS WAY TRY TO GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION. YOU CAN GO TO FULL SCREEN ON THAT. THANK YOU.

I REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER GETTING DETAILS FROM THE TRUTH IN TAXATION PEOPLE.

LOOKING AT SOME OF MY OWN STUFF, LOOKING AT WHAT HADN'T BEEN PUT ON FACEBOOK AND CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING UP AND HEARING. CUT THROUGH HOW I SEE IT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHERE WE SHOULD BE, I THINK AFTER TO HAVE EVEN A -- ABOUT THIS A DAY OR TWO AGO.

LET ME START, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE FIRST ONE SAYS, YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT HOMESTEAD AND NON-HOMESTEAD. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN HUTTO IS 10,107, ACCORDING TO THE LARRY -- THE

APPRAISAL DISTRICT. >> ASSESSORS OFFICE.

>> THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES IS 7036.

CURRENTLY 3071 NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES.

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I REACHED OUT TO THEM AND I ASKED, COULD THEY DO A LITTLE MORE DEEP DIVE ANALYSIS THAN JUST THOSE NUMBERS? ONE THING THEY CAME BACK WITH WAS, 1700 PROPERTIES OF THE 3000, HAVE NOT APPLIED FOR HOMESTEAD BUT ELIGIBLE FOR HOMESTEAD. SO I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE NOT HOMESTEAD BUT ELIGIBLE, YOU NEED TO DO IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO HELP THE TAX RATE OF CITIZENS.

I SAID THE MOST PEOPLE CAN GET DONE.

I WANTED TO SHARE THE NUMBER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS. IF WE CAN GO TO NEXT SLIDE.

ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE TO GIVE THE BASE NUMBER OF ACTUAL HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES. ABOUT 70 PERCENT OF ALL RESIDENTS. THIS YEAR NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE ADOPT, I SET THE MAX AS PART OF THE APPROVAL DEBT THAT WE VOTED ON AND APPROVED WAS JUST TO START THE DISCUSSION POINT.

IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN VOTED. PEOPLE SAID WE ADOPTED THE RATE, WE DID NOT. WE JUST SAID THIS IS THE LINE IN THE SAND IT COULD BE THIS OR LOWER.

AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN. EVEN IF YOU ADOPTED THAT RATE, 70 PERCENT OF ALL RESIDENTS WOULD GET A TAX CUT FROM LAST YEAR. WE CITY BILL WOULD GO DOWN.

IN ADDITION, IF THE OTHER 1732 PROPERTIES APPLIED FOR THE SAME HOMESTEAD THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS GETTING TAX BREAK JUMPS UP TO 87 PERCENT OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES IN HUTTO TODAY.

EVEN IF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT AS ADOPTED, WE CANNOT PREVENT INCREASE IN TAXES FOR THE OTHER 13 PERCENT. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, THEY WILL PAY AN INCREASE. HOW DO WE HELP RENTERS AND OTHER NON- HOMESTEAD RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT CERTAIN AFFLUENT PEOPLE ARE NOT THE WHOLE RESIDENCE.

I DO, AND I UNDERSTAND. I KIND OF WANT TO EXPLAIN SOME THINGS THAT ARE TRUTHS THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR BUT THEY ARE STILL TRUTHS. RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE A SET PRICE TO MAXIMIZE THE PROFIT BY THAT LANDLORD COMMENTS BASED ON DEMAND. THEY DO CONSIDER SOME CLOSE LIKE WHAT THE LANDLORD IS PLAYING FOR THE MORTGAGE, BUT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE INSURANCE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY INSURED, WHILE THEY PROBABLY HAVE DEBT.WHAT THE TAXES ARE AND HOW MUCH REPAIR WORK THEY MAY NEED ON THE PROPERTY IN THE NEXT YEAR. BUT DEMAND IS A MAJOR DRIVER.

NO MATTER WHAT WE SET THE RATE TO, THE MARKET HAS ALREADY SET THE RENTAL RATES FOR ALL OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

BECAUSE ALL OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAD AN UNPRECEDENTED 50 PERCENT EVALUATIONS AND PROPERTY.

THERE IS WAY MORE DEMAND FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES THEN THERE IS SUPPLY. WE KNOW THIS.

BECAUSE OF COVID SLOWING DOWN, CONSTRUCTION DELAYS AND EVERYTHING. YES, I UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT AND YOU SAY LOWER THE TAXES, BECAUSE IT WILL SAVE MY RENT RATE. THAT WON'T CHANGE.

WE SHOULD GO TO ZERO, YOUR RENT WILL STILL GO UP BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE MARKET HAS BEEN SET.

SO HOW DO WE FIX THAT? FOR EXAMPLE, FOR PUBLICITY RENEW THEIR ONE-YEAR RATE AND IN JUNE AND SO IS SAID THAT THEIR BILL WENT UP $400 A MONTH.

THE TAX RATE WE WOULD ADOPT WOULD BE ABOUT TWO TO $300 FOR THAT HOUSE FOR THE YEAR.HAT $400 A MONTH ISN'T BECAUSE OF THAT TAX RATE WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DEBT MARKET DEMAND.

IF THAT HAPPENS, MATTER WHAT RATE WE SET I THINK RENTAL RATES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SET AND NOW THEY WILL BE STABILIZING BECAUSE AS INFLATION GOES UP, THE COST OF BORROWING GOES UP WHICH MEANS WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUES NEXT YEAR WHICH MEANS, THE MARKET RENTAL RATES WILL STABILIZE PROBABLY OVER AFTER THIS ONE YEAR UNPRECEDENTED CHANGE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO IN THE CITY AND I WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE HAVE DONE HELP IS ON THE WAY. ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT IS IF WE INCREASE SUPPLY, THAT WILL RELIEVE SOME OF THE DEMAND PRESSURE WHICH IS THE MAIN DRIVER OF RENTAL COST.

IN HUTTO, WE NEED TO CREATE COMPETITION IN THE MARKET WHICH WILL HELP LOWER RENTAL RATES WE HAVE LESS -- EVERY OTHER SURROUNDING CITY IS ALSO BUILDING A RENTAL PROPERTY AS FAST AS THEY CAN BECAUSE COMPETITION AND MARKETPLACE DRIVES INVESTOR DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY ARE INVESTING IN RENTAL COMMUNITIES AS IT DROPS WILL FLATTEN THE RATES WE WANT TO THE HUGE CHANGES. IT IS A, ONE OF THE SIX COMMITTEES COMING THAT DETACHED RENTAL HOMES, THERE'S ONE NORTH OF FARLEY, ANOTHER ONE LIKE THAT THERE IS ONE COMING OFF OF -- ACROSS FROM HEB THIS SIDE, A SENIOR APARTMENT PROPERTY OVER

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55. WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS A CITY WITH P&Z AND COUNSEL ADOPTING AND APPROVING THOSE PROJECTS COMING ATOP THE RENTAL DEMAND.

WHICH WILL BE THE GREATEST HELP IN LOWERING RENTAL COST.

ONCE AGAIN LIKE I SAID, DUE TO INCREASING RATES OVER 22 AND 23 WILL CREATE DOWN PRESENT BECAUSE IT COST MORE TO BUY NEW PROPERTY I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY VALUES NEXT YEAR APPRAISAL VALUE WILL REMAIN FLAT OR SLIGHTLY DECREASED.

WHICH WOULD THEN IN THEORY, REDUCE TAXES ON RENTALS BECAUSE THE REAL RATE WENT DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HOMESTEAD.

THERE ALREADY AT THE MAX. THAT WOULD COME DOWN.

LASTLY, HUTTO IS STILL GROWING WHICH MEANS, WITH CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING EACH OR WE WILL CONTINUE TO REDUCE TAXES JUST LIKE WE DID THIS YEAR FOR THE MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS.

THE MATTER WHICH WILL WE ADOPT OVER 70 PERCENT ARE GETTING TAX CUTS. NO MATTER WHAT RATE, A PERCENTAGE OR MAGNITUDE OF THE REDUCTION IS WHAT WE ARE DEBATING TONIGHT. ALSO REMEMBER IF YOU ARE SENIOR AND HOMESTEADED, YOUR CITY TAX NEVER GOES UP UNLESS YOU DO IMPROVEMENT. IN THIS IMPROVEMENT CHANGE THAT WILL BE TAXED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FREEZE.

WHEN THEY ADOPTED A FREEZE IN 2019 AND THEY DID THE 60,000 ADOPTION TO BRING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TAX RATE, THEY WERE FROZEN AT THAT PRICE. IN THE NEXT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT JUST HIT 65 AND HIT THE RATE MADE 30,000 FOR THEM.

THEN THE CAP IS PERMANENTLY IN PLACE AS OF LAST YEAR.

THAT IS HOW WHAT WE'VE DONE TO HELP SENIORS ON THAT SIDE.

THIS IS NOT A TIME. THERE IS CURRENTLY NO WAY TO KNOW I ASK, HOW MANY OF THAT 13 PERCENT, WHICH IS 1339, THAT HAVE NOT HAD A HOMESTEAD AND ELIGIBLE.

OUR RENTERS VERSUS SHORT-TERM RENTERS, RENTALS, VERSUS MAYBE SOMEONE BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR A FAMILY MEMBER LETTING THEM LIVE THERE, WHO KNOWS. WE CAN'T GUESS.

IT IS ABOUT 1300 THAT COULD ALL BE RENTALS OR JUST SOME NUMBER LESS THAN THAT. THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO SHOW WAS THE TAX RATE PROPOSED OF EVERY CITY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. I SAW SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK SHOWING ROUND ROCK SHOWING THE LOWEST TAXES SHOWING EVERYONE HIGHER. THEY WERE SHOWING LESTER'S RATE BUT ONLY THEIR NEW RATE. RIGHT DATA CAN BE MANIPULATED TO TELL A STORY AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE.

WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.

HE WANTED TO SHOW THE LET'S GO BACK.

THE BLUE IS WHAT THE TAX RATES WERE IN A RACE RUNNING CITY LAST YEAR. THE LAST FOUR I DID SEE DIFFERENT ANALYSIS OF DIFFERENT TAX RATES WE CAN ADOPT IN HUTTO IS A STEPPED ON THE MAX POSSIBLE RATE IS WHAT WE ADOPTED TO PUT IN THE PAPER. WE COULD GO TO JUST THE VOTER APPROVED RATE AND THIS WAS ASSUMING WITH THE, THE $44 MILLION BOND, RIGHT? WE COULD GO DOWN TO LIKE IT 4495 OR NO NEW REVENUE RATE. WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW IS HOW MUCH EACH CITY WENT TO THEIR NEW RATE PROPOSED AND THEN IN THE GRAY AS A PERCENT CUT IN THE RATE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, AT ANY RATE THAT HUTTO DROPS, WE ARE A LOSS LEADER IN GENERATING MORE TAX CUTS THAN ANY OTHER SURROUNDING CITY, TAYLORS WENT DOWN TO 15 BUT ONCE WE ADOPT ANY RATE, FROM 4495, $0.45 OR LOWER, WE ARE THE LOWEST, THE GREATEST TAX CUT IN ALL OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

AS A PERCENTAGE OF TRADE FROM LESTER THIS YEAR FOR RATES.

TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING AND WE ARE BEING GREEDY AND TAKING MONEY FROM CITIZENS, IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. WE ARE GIVING THE LARGEST REDUCTION OF ANYONE IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY BASED ON THESE NUMBERS. DEPENDING ON WHERE WE FALL.

WE ARE FOR SURE A BIGGER PERCENTAGE THAN PFLUGERVILLE, CEDAR PARK, LEANDER, GEORGETOWN AND DEPENDING ON WHERE WE GO, WE MAY GET AHEAD OF TAYLOR AND ROUND ROCK, POSSIBLY.

NOW IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

THE NEXT IMPORTANT THING TO NOTICE, IS THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE OF A HOME IN DIFFERENT TOWNS BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY ARETE, BUT A RATE DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

FOR EXAMPLE, I OWN A HOUSE IN HUTTO.

THE AVERAGE HOME IS 400,000, FORTIN $17,000 ACCORDING TO THE

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CURRENT RATE FOR THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE.

IT MAY NOT BE THE TAX RATE BASED ON THE HOMESTEAD OR WHATEVER. THE AVERAGE HOME.

I USE THAT RATE AND SAID OKAY, WHAT WOULD THAT GIVE A RELATIVE TAXING RATE IF YOU ARE LIVING IN ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES BECAUSE THE HOUSE WILL COST MORE OR LESS BASED ON RELATIVE TO HUTTO. FOR EXAMPLE HYPOTHETICALLY IF A HOME IS 200,000 IN HUTTO AND 400,000 AND ROUND ROCK, THE TAX RATE IS HALF OF OURS, -- IF WE'RE 50 CENT IN THERE AT $0.25 YOU'RE PAYING THE SOUND AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WE SCALE THAT ACROSS THE CITIES.

IF WE LOOK AT THAT, ROUND ROCK IS $0.44 BASED ON THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE. PFLUGERVILLE $0.54, CEDAR PARK $0.57, LEANDER $0.60, TAYLOR $0.56 BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER THAN US, THAT'S WHY THERE RATE WENT DOWN RELATIVELY.

GEORGETOWN WOULD BE $0.48 BASED ON THE HOME VALUE PRICES AVERAGE OF $540,000 I THINK. THEN I SHOWED HUTTO.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE I'M DOING RELATIVE RATE COMPARED TO HUTTO.

THAT'S WORSE IS A 47, 47 AND 4220 WHICH IS NO NEW REVENUE RATE. AS YOU CAN SEE, AT ANY OF THESE NUMBERS, EXCEPT FOR ROUND ROCK, WHICH IS KIND OF AN OUTLIER BECAUSE OF THE LARGE, HUGE YOU KNOW, THEIR $550 MILLION A YEAR BUDGET WITH MASSIVE DELL, -- SALES TAX.

TO COMPARE RATES TO OURS, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE THEY ARE SO LARGE. BUT EVEN IF YOU SEE THAT, AND YOU CAN SEE OUR TAX RATE RELATIVE TO EVERY OTHER TOWN IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS COMPARABLE OR LOWER.

WE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST OR SECOND-HIGHEST.

WE ARE TECHNICALLY THE SECOND LOWEST IN EVERY SLIDE AND EVERY OPTION WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. WENT TO SCALE BASED ON HOW MUCH ACTUALLY COSTS TO LIVE IN HUTTO.

I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE NUMBER AND MAKES IT REAL AND WHAT THE TRUTH IS WHEN WE LOOK AT TAXATION RATES. AND WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PAY WHERE YOU LIVE. IF WE COULD GO A COUPLE OF SLIDES. NOW THE NEXT THING, I HAD DISCUSSED WITH COUNSEL. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING, I SAID YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO IN ONE -- OR DO MULTIPLE TAKEDOWNS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS LIKE THE MAYOR PROPOSED. I SAID I AM FOR WHICH EVERYONE BUT CAN WE GET A DIFFERENTIAL COST ANALYSIS, IF ANYONE REMEMBERS THAT'S REST AT THE LAST MEETING.

STAFF WENT AND WORKED WITH BOND COUNSEL AND PROVIDED THE INFORMATION. SO, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN DOING PIECEMEAL OVER THREE YEARS AND NOT TAKING THE LARGE CHARGES DOWN VERSUS DOING IT ALL AT ONCE, IT WILL COST THE CITY OF HUTTO $4.1 MILLION MORE TO DO IT PIECEMEAL.

GRANTED, THAT'S OVER 25 YEARS. BUT TO SAY THAT ONE WAY IS CHEAPER THAN THE OTHER, IT IS. AND IT WAS THE RATE WE INITIALLY PROPOSED AND ADOPTED AT THE LAST MEETING.

I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SAY, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? ARE YOU JUST GOING AGAINST ONE OF THE PERSONAL COUNSEL BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THEM? NO I'M NOT. I'M LOOKING AT DATA AND SAYING WHAT'S GOING TO SAVE THE OVERALL CITIZENS OF HUTTO THE MOST MONEY OVER THE TIME OF THE CITY THAT WILL EXIST? LONG PAST MY POLITICAL CAREER JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

IF I CAN ADOPT A RATE AND SAY I SAVED MORE MONEY IN THE SHORT TERM TO COST MORE MONEY TO THE CITY OF HUTTO.

WHAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER? IT SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN ONE OR THE OTHER.

BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT BLACK-AND-WHITE, ONE'S RIGHT, ONES WRONG.

AS A BLENDED GRAY. WANT TO GIVE THE FULL PICTURE SO WE HAVE A REAL DISCUSSION. NEXT SLIDE.KAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. OPTION NUMBER ONE $44 MILLION ISSUED NOW, PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST 69 MILLION OVER 25 YEARS. OPTION NUMBER TWO WOULD BE 15.3 MILLION FOLLOWED BY 15.3 FOLLOWED BY 13.4.

$73.8 MILLION OVER 27 YEARS BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING TWO MORE YEARS. YOU DON'T TAKE THE NEXT CHART OUT A COUPLE YEARS LATER. OPTION TWO DOES CROSS FOR MILLION MORE THAN ACTUAL. OPTION TWO IS -- ONCE AGAIN I'M ALSO FAIR TO ALL SIDES. I WANT PEOPLE TO THINK I'M JUST BEATING ON ONE PERSON TRYING TO BE VERY CLEAR BECAUSE MY INTEGRITY WAS CALLED OUT IN QUESTION BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I DON'T FEEL THAT IT IS CORRECT.

BASED ON THE COST, OPTION TWO WILL COST 160,000 MORE EACH YEAR IN ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE BECAUSE THIS CAME FROM THE BOND

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COUNSEL LOOKING AT WHAT INTEREST RATES WILL DO IN THE NEXT YEAR THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD.

AND THESE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE INTEREST RATE INCREASES AS WELL I MUST ADD.

WHAT I THOUGHT OF. AFTER WE TALKED MORE, I THINK THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE SLIDE ONE MORE THING.

I BELIEVE WE COULD SET AN OVERALL RATE OF 44.94 CENTS.

WHICH IS A 16.4 PERCENT TAX RATE FOR THE CITY.

WHICH WILL BE LARGEST IN ALL OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

THAT RATE PLACES US WITH THE SECOND LOWEST EQUIVALENT TAX RATE BEHIND ONLY ROUND ROCK. WHEN THE COST OF HOUSING IS ACCOUNTED FOR. IN ADDITION, AT THAT RATE WE CLEARLY ISSUED 37 MILLION ROAD DEBT WHILE PROTECTING HER RATE AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE. ECAUSE OF HOW WE CAN FINANCE IT. I'VE ALSO DONE ADDITIONAL CALCULATIONS OF THE CURRENT DEBT ISSUE IS THAT WE THINK WE CAN GET FOR EVERY $7 MILLION, APPROXIMATELY AND THAT WE TAKE ON THAT IS ONE PENNY. I WOULD PROPOSE WE LOOK AT $30 MILLION IN ROAD DEBT AND BE AT THE BASICALLY, $0.44 INSTEAD OF 44.9. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE CFO AND BOND COUNSEL GET THE NUMBER. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO I THINK IS THE RIGHT ANSWER. THE 30TH OF MAKES SINCE WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST $30 MILLION IN PROJECTS WILL BE DONE IN THE NEXT 24 MONTHS. AND WE DO KNOW THE INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP IN THE NEXT YEAR.

TAKING THE 30 MILLION DOWN NOW GUESSES AT THIS 30 MILLION WOULD GET UPSET LIKE BASICALLY $0.44.

WHICH WOULD BE EVEN LARGER CUT THAN WHAT I PRESENTED HERE AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO IN THE CITY. THE LAST THING I WANT IS, WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER WHO SAID, I AM GOING TO USE THIS MORNING, IT WILL GET SPENT. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW THE FULL COST WE'VE SEEN CONCRETE AND ASPHALT AND EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP. WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS LOCALLY, AND JUST $24 MILLION BUDGET AND WITH OUR UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE TO COVER ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WILL HIT.

AND YES, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER DISCUSSIONS AT THE EDC CAN PAY FOR SOME THINGS I THINK WE CAN TOO.

BUT GUESS WHAT? REALLY HAVE THE MONEY FOR CLOSE ON DEALS AND SELL SOME STUFF THAT WE CURRENTLY, WE ARE LAND RICH AND MONEY POOR. ANTICIPATE THOSE WILL HAPPEN BUT YOU DON'T KNOW. AND SO, I KNOW WE CAN HAVE THIS MORNING TO BE ABLE TO DO STUFF AND THEN THAT WILL GIVE FLEXIBILITY LATER ON AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE MONEY THAT CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON ROADS THAT WE CAN TAKE DOWN.

THE UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE, IF THEN WE SEE THAT WE COME UNDER BUDGET, THINGS ARE GOOD, RATES ARE GOOD FINANCIALLY WE DON'T HIT A MAJOR RECESSION, WOULD HAVE A HUGE PULLBACK IN PROPERTY VALUES NEXT YEAR. GUESS WHAT? THE UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE WE HAVE NOW WE CAN DO PARK IMPROVEMENTS WERE NEEDED FOR THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR ANY PROJECT. THESE CAN ONLY BE USED FOR ROADS. IF WE KNOW WE'VE READ PROJECTS, WHICH WE DO, WE 14 IDENTIFIED. THE CONCEPT WAS TAKE DOWN THE

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DEBT NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW INTEREST RATES WILL GO UP, MOST LIKELY EVEN BOND COUNSEL HAS SAID IT SHOULD GO UP ABOUT ONE PERCENT I THINK IN THE OTHER SIDE IT SHOWED A AT LEAST HALF A PERCENT INCREASE OVER THE YEAR THAT YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT DOWN SAVE THE ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE HAVE THE OTHER STUFF. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

KIND OF KICKS OFF THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE GO BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU MY THINKING AND WHERE I'M COMING AT WITH NUMBERS AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

THAT'S WHY WANTED TO GO FIRST. JUST BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE PROPOSAL AND PUT IN PERSPECTIVE.

BUT NOW I'M DONE, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> WHO WAS TO GO NEXT?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL I APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID GO BACK AND LOOKED AT SPLITTING UP THE DATA THINK ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS IN THAT IS THAT IT CAN SAVE US $1 MILLION THIS YEAR.

AND YES, DOES POTENTIALLY COST MORE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU SPLIT IT UP AT SOME OF THE SLITS WERE RECEIVED OTHER SPLITS AND SOME WERE ONLY A $2 MILLION DIFFERENCE OVER THE TERM, NOT FOR MILLION DOLLARS TO THEIR DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS.

AND GET A DOUGHNUT COSTING US MUCH LONG-TERM BUT THEY STILL SAY MR. MILLION ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND BEING ABLE TO REDUCE -- ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE MORE FOR THE SAME OVERALL TAX RATE.

WHICH IS A GOOD THING. AS FAR AS USING RESERVE FUND BALANCE FOR ROAD PROJECTS IF WE NEED TO, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IS REIMBURSING RESERVE FUNDS.

WE COULD ALWAYS REIMBURSE FOR FUTURE BOND ISSUANCE AND HAVE THE MONEY FREE UP TO BE UNENCUMBERED AGAIN IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO IN THE FUTURE.

IF WE UNDER BONDED RIGHT NOW WE COULD OVER BOND TO MAKE UP FOR IT NEXT TIME AROUND IF WE WERE TO DO SO SO IT IS AN OPTION.

AS FAR AS A 1700 HOMES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND TOOK THE 1700 HOMES AND CONVERTED THEM, I THINK THEY WOULD ALSO GET A TAX CUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WEARS A VERY SMALL CUT FOR EACH OF THE 7000 HOMES RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TAKE 1700 HOMES, PAYING A LARGE TAX INCREASE THIS YEAR, THAT TAX INCREASE COMES OFF THE ROLES IF YOU CONVERT THEM ALL TO HOMESTEAD, THEN IN THAT CASE, THE HOMESTEAD HOMES ARE ACTUALLY PROBABLY SEE MAY BE A SLIGHT INCREASE IN TAXES. VERY MINOR BUT I THINK THE MATH WOULD BE A PROBLEM THERE BECAUSE YOU BE TAKING 1700 HOMES AT A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS APIECE WITH TAX INCREASE AND TURNING THEM INTO HOMESTEAD HOMES.

TO THAT MATH OF CONVERTING WOULD NOT REALLY WORK OUT IN FAVOR AT THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE NO NEW REVENUE IT PROBABLY STILL WOULD BUT THE OTHER THING WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU INCREASE PRESSURE OF THE TAX DIFFERENCE BEING MADE UP BY THOSE 1300 HOMES AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND SO THEY SEE THE INCREASE IN THAT CASE. I AGREE 1700 PEOPLE SHOULD GET HOMESTEAD PROTECTION. BUT IF THAT WERE TO JUST CONVERT RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD MAKE YOU READ US A SITUATION

WORSE. >> THAT POINT THE 1700 HOMES MAJORITY BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T HAVE, 1600 NEW HOMES, AND BECAUSE OF THE NEW LAW YOU COULD FILE FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THE DAY THAT YOU CLOSE YOUR HOUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT THE YEAR. BUT TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE, THERE 1600 PROPERTIES ADDED TO THE ROLLS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE INCLUDED AS, THEY MERELY BOUGHT THEM AS INVESTMENT PROPERTIES OR IF THEY JUST BOUGHT THEM THAT YEAR, WHICH MEANS IT'S KIND OF SEMANTICS ON THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] >> I'M JUST SAYING ALL WE CAN DO IS GO WITH DID YOU HAVE AN COST BASED ON THE REGION.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I GET. THE REASON I SAY 30 IS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE RATE YOU ORIGINALLY PROPOSED SO I WANTED

TO GO BACK. >> I PROPOSE A COUPLE BEFORE THAT SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

>> I'LL JUST POINT OUT THE RATE DOESN'T KICK IN FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED.

I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW THAT WORKED BUT IF YOU REQUEST HOMESTEAD TODAY FOR CLOSE IN YOUR HOME SEPTEMBER 1 AND REQUEST HOMESTEAD, YOU GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2023 AND IN 2024, IS WHEN YOU SEE IT FIRST. THERE'S A BIT OF A DELAY.

>> FOR THOSE PEOPLE WE TALKING POTENTIAL COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS DIFFERENCE IN THE TAX BILL BASED ON THE RANGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS STILL PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO THINK ABOUT. TRYING TO THINK, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE MORE THING. WHAT WAS THE SOURCE FOR THE HOME VALUES FOR THE VARIOUS CITIES?

>> I GOT THEM OFF FROM ZILLOW. ONCE AGAIN, IT MAY NOT BE -- IF YOU'RE USING ONE PLACE TO GET EVERYTHING FOR EVERYPLACE, THEN, IT'S NOT BEYOND THE REALM WHEN YOU SEE WE'VE HAD 50 PERCENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY WENT UP.

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>> BUT NOT OFFICIAL NUMBER SO THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A HORRIBLY INACCURATE SWAG BUT IT'S A SWAG BASED ON --

>> FOR SOMETHING BETTER THAN JUST USING RATES.

JUST BASE RATES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONCEPT OF PRICES. NO ONE WILL ARGUE WITH YOU THAT YOU THINK A HOUSE IN CEDAR PARK COST MORE THE -- QUICKLY THINK HOW TO CLOSE THE GAP A LITTLE BIT.

IT ISN'T ONE-FOR-ONE BUT PROBABLY CLOSER THAN IT WAS BEFORE. WE DON'T HAVE HARD DATA.

>> BUT I JUST WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING.

IT KIND OF GIVES THE PICTURE. >> OKAY I WILL GIVE UP THE FLOOR. IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPOSAL MAYBE WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO IS PROPOSING WHAT. YOU ARE PROPOSING .44964 WITH -- AM SORRY.> I THINK WE CAN GET BY WITH 30.

WHICH WOULD I THINK, REDUCE THAT TO 44 OR LIKE 43.98 OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER ON IT. NORMALLY IT IS SEVEN.

VERY $7 MILLION YOU REDUCE YOU GO DOWN.

>> OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. >> THAT NUMBERS BASED ON 37.

>> I CAN SPEAK NEXT -- LET'S START WITH THIS.

I WANT TO BE THE PERSONS HOME. BUT THEY LIVE IN ROUND ROCK.

$694,000 HOUSE. THAT HOUSE LAST YEAR THEY PAID $1699 IN TAXES. THE PROPOSED TAXES THIS YEAR WILL BE 1610, $700,000 HOUSE. MY HOUSE, WHICH IS $505,000, IT IS 500,000, THAT TAXES 1730 THIS YEAR SO IT'S ALREADY $40 MORE THAN THE $700,000 HOUSE IN ROUND ROCK.

AND THE PROPOSED WHICH IS THE HIGHEST IN 1697, SOMEWHERE LESS

THAN THAT. >> EXACTLY PROVES RATIO IF YOU WILL BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. JUST WHILE YOU'RE TALKING.

THEY ARE AFFECTED IS 44 WE ARE CURRENTLY AT, 47.

SO YES, OF COURSE IT ROUND ROCK ONCE WE DO THE SCALE I JUST SAID, THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS ON THEIR VALUE OF HOME BECAUSE THEY COST MORE BUT IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE RATE, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS MAKING. ROUND ROCK SHOULD BE LESS AND IT DOES SHOW THAT. SORRY.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOUR RATE SCALING. I DON'T KNOW YOUR METHODOLOGY TO REPEAT MY POINT BEING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 500 AND $700,000 HOUSE IS 35 PERCENT OR SOMETHING.

YOU CAN GO PURCHASE A 35 PERCENT HIGHER HOUSE IN ROUND ROCK AND PAY LESS TAXES, AGAIN, I'M NOT FOLLOWING I DO THIS BUT WE TALKED ABOUT OTHER PHILOSOPHIES AND ECONOMICS.

I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE BUT COMPARING OTHER CITIES IS GREAT ON SOME THINGS. YOU'RE RIGHT, RATES MEAN ONE THING BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT.

>> AND THEY HAVE A HOMESTEAD HOUSE THEY'VE OWNED FOR 20 YEARS THAT HASN'T APPRECIATED UP.

>> HOW LONG HOMESTEAD HAS BEEN THE HOUSE, COULD BE 10 OR 15

YEARS. >> I HEAR YOU.

>> WE TALKED A LOT. THE BIGGEST FRUSTRATIONS, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T TALK TO STAFF.

AND WHAT I TOLD YOU MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATION WAS.

>> WE TALK TO STAFF. >> PEOPLE THINK I TALKED TO

STAFF. >> AND I DON'T TALK TO STAFF.

I TRY TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE FROM STAFF, I LIKE TO GET I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO DO BUSINESS AND TALK TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. BUT I WOULD LIKE A LIST OF 2021 PROPERTIES THAT WERE USED IN THE FORMULATION OF 2022.

A LIST OF PROPERTIES THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT SHOULD BE ABLE GIVE THE DATA. IT WILL BE AVAILABLE IN OCTOBER BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR US. THE REASON IS, I WAS TELLING RANDALL, ACTUALLY LEARNED HOW TO DO A WORKSHEET FOR HOW YOU FIGURE IT TAXES A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED WAS THAT THE TAXES, THE TAX VALUE WENT UP 1.2 BILLION YEAR-OVER-YEAR ON THE SAME MARKET AND SO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NO NEW REVENUE HERE'S HOW YOU LOOK AT TAXES IN MY OPINION, AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT.

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ANYTHING ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE IS A TAX INCREASE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU GET MORE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET IS A TAX INCREASE. HERE'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT.

LASHER THEY TOOK A SNAPSHOT OF THE CITY AND IT WAS LET'S SAY 1000 PROPERTIES ARE GENERATED A MILLION IN TAXES TO THE CITY.

THIS YEAR THEY TAKE THE SAME PROPERTIES, AND THEY LOOK AND SAY WHAT RATE WE HAD TO CHARGE TO GET THE SAME MILLION DOLLARS? THAT ANSWER IS NO NEW REVENUE.

IF YOU GET, MAYOR PRO TEM IN MY MIND IF YOU GET A MILLION AND ONE VALUE OF INCREASED TAXES ON EVERYBODY.

ONE DOLLAR DIVIDED BY EVERYBODY AND IT'S NO NEW REVENUE.

THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT WHILE NO NEW REVENUE SOUNDS HORRIBLE AND IT'S DIFFERENT FOR A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, IT'S BECAUSE MOST OF THEM JUST TO THE MAX VOTER RATE AND THEY JUST BLAME IT ON THEIR VALUES WENT UP. THE BIGGEST FEAR, AND I WOULD SAY YOU PROVE MY POINT, IS THAT IF VALUES DROP.

RIGHT NOW THE BIG THING THAT SWUNG THIS, IS THAT YOUR COMMERCIAL, INVESTMENT PROPERTY, NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ACCOUNTED FOR A GIGANTIC INCREASE.

THERE IS A RENTAL HOUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSED CITY TAXES ALONE HAVE GONE UP $4000 IN ONE YEAR.

I AGREE MARKET DEMAND SOME OF IT BUT AS AN OWNER RENTAL HOMES, WHEN I TALKED TO LARRY HE OWNS A RENTAL HOME.

HOW DO YOU PASS THAT $4000 ONTO SOMEBODY? I CAN TELL YOU IT'S GOING UP IN RENT AND IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY $350. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PROBLEM IS, AND THEN, SORRY -- HE BOARDED UP AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IN A MEETING WE HAD, THE BIGGEST FEAR IS THAT IF YOU TAKE BIG DEBT INCREASE NOW AND YOU GIVE 70 PERCENT OF PEOPLE A TAX CUT THAT'S GREAT. THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR, OR ANY YEAR GOING FORWARD THAT WE DON'T GROW THE PROPERTY VALUES BY A MINIMUM OF 10 PERCENT.

IT REVERSES. YOU GOT TWO LINES SET FOR YEARS, EIGHT PERCENT INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES, MAYOR PRO TEM RENTAL HOUSE IN MY HOME VEATCH GOT THE SAME TAX INCREASE. LAST YEAR IT SEPARATED SOME AND SO THE MAYOR PRO TEM ATE SOME MONEY AND I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF TAX CUT. THIS YEAR WENT LIKE THIS.

AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M ABLE TO GET HUGE TAX INCREASE BUT EVENTUALLY THE LINES WILL COME BACK DOWN BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME OUR HOUSES WILL NOT KEEP GOING UP 10, 15, 20 PERCENT A YEAR BECAUSE THE LAW OF NUMBERS, IT ENDS.

AND WHEN THE ENDS AND THE RENTAL INVESTMENT PROPERTY COMMERCIAL START GETTING TAX CUTS EVERY YEAR, WILL START GETTING TAX INCREASES. LITERALLY THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IF WE WENT ZERO NEXT YEAR, NO INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE, ARE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WILL CAUSE A TAX BILL INCREASE TO 70 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. STRICTLY BECAUSE THE LINES ARE COMING BACK DOWN AND WE KNOW A THING ABOUT NUMBERS, THEY ALWAYS COME OUT SO WE HAVE -- ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS WE DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE TODAY BECAUSE NEXT YEAR IF WE ARE DOING THE BUDGET AND WE HAVE A FIVE PERCENT INCREASE IN TAXES WE CAN'T BLAME POPPY VALUES WENT UP BECAUSE IT WENT DOWN.

SO THEN THAT'S WHAT POLITICIANS AND TEXANS AMID DOING TENURE TRACK IS WHEN IT BECAUSE VALUES WENT UP.

WE DO THIS WRONG RIGHT NOW I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM YOU PASS NO NEW REVENUE 70 PERCENT OF PEOPLE GETS A $250 MORE AND 30 PERCENT OF PEOPLE PAY MORE. IF YOU RAISE IT UP AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT 48 OR 44, WHATEVER IT IS, I MAKE IT 100 MORE PER THE PERSON WE RAISED WE ARE TAKING MORE FROM THEM THIS YEAR. THEY WILL GET THE LAST LAUGH NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER, WHENEVER THE VALUES GO UNDER 10 PERCENT. GOD FORBID THEY GO DOWN 10 PERCENT, THAT'S A NIGHTMARE SITUATION BECAUSE WE JUST TAKEN A DEBT BOMB THAT IS HIDDEN IN THIS LITTLE BUBBLE AND NEXT YEAR WHEN THE VALUES DROP, THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST ALL COUNSEL TO JUST GO THROUGH, AND YOU DID A GREAT JOB SHE'S GOT THE PAPERWORK, YOU FILL IT OUT AND YOU CHANGE SOME VALUES AND TREATED LIKE IT'S ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU'LL SEE ALL THE SUDDEN, THINGS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. HALF $1 MILLION IN VALUE FOR THIS YEAR'S CALCULATIONS IS ONE NICKEL IN THE TAX RATE.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE NEW, WE ARE PREDICTING WE WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN I WILL ADD TO THE TAX ROLL.

SO WE CAN LOWER THE RATE BECAUSE WE ARE SHARING WITH PEOPLE. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A 10 PERCENT GROWTH, OF NEW PROPERTY COMING IN TO HUTTO, THEN THAT

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WOULD COUNTERACT THAT. >> I WOULD DISAGREE BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO KNOW NEW REVENUE IT TAKES OUT OVER 65 EXEMPTIONS, DISABILITY EXEMPTIONS AND 10 PERCENT GROWTH, TAKES A COMPLETELY OUT OF THE PORTFOLIO.

IT'S A SNAPSHOT OF THE SAME PROPERTIES LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR EXACT SAME PROPERTIES.

EVEN IF THEY BUILD A $14 BILLION DEAL, IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SNAPSHOT. THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT WILL GO HAYWIRE BECAUSE YOU JUST DRAMATICALLY INCREASED VALUES.

SO YOU'VE GOT THAT SO THERE'S THAT, AGAIN, I AGREE WITH PEOPLE ON THINGS, IS JUST THIS IS A WEIRD YEAR AND IF I'M ABLE TO GET $250 BACK ON NO GET 200 IT'S A $50 INCREASE IN TAXES BECAUSE NO NEW REVENUE IS TO BRING IN THE CITY THE EXACT SAME REVENUE. I DON'T MEAN THIS IN ANY, I DON'T MEAN THIS IN ANY DISRESPECT.

BUT WE DO HAVE A PERSON WHO HAS EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE, BUT HE IS NEW AT IN THE CITY TO. TAKE A LOT AND SAY THIS GUY WILL GET ALL THIS DONE AND IT WILL BE GREAT.

WHAT IF IT DOESN'T? AND SO, YOU GOT A HUGE ISSUE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS SUPPORT SOMEONE.

I'VE HAD EMPLOYEES BEFORE THEY WERE EXTREMELY EXCITED AND SOMETIMES THEY FAIL BECAUSE THEY WERE SO EXCITED THEY WERE GOING LIKE THIS AND I DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING DONE AND SOMETHING DROPPED. UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES SOMETHING DROPS. WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

THE LAST THING, FOR THIS WHOLE THING OF GOT A BUDGET THING LATER ON BUT RESEARCHING THIS, THINK WE HAVE TO USE THE MONEY IN THREE YEARS. WE CANNOT GO OUT AND BORROW, BOND OUT 45 BILLION OF SORRY 45 MILLION.

SOMETHING HAPPENED IN YEAR 45 WE START GETTING INTO IRS REPORTING ISSUES. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT BORROWING AT THREE AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT

LOOKS LIKE. >> YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO

THAT. >> WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, HUTTO HAS DONE EVERYTHING YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.

[LAUGHTER] BUT THERE IS ALSO, I BROUGHT THE ARGUMENT UP BEFORE. IF THIS IS SUCH A SMOKING HOT BANGING DEAL TO BORROW MONEY TODAY, ONE AT RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES BY $25 AND BAR THE WHOLE REST? BECAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT OF RATES ARE GOING UP, WERE GOING TO SAVE MONEY, THEN I'M GOING WHY YOU ONLY BORROWING 44? BORROW THE WHOLE 52 OR WHATEVER, BORROW IT ALL AND TELL ME THAT EVERY HOMESTEADER SHARING IN THE PAIN, ALL GETTING A $25 INCREASE IN TAXES BUT WE WILL SAY TO YOU, 8,000,000,025 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT'S A BETTER ARGUMENT SO BORROWING MONEY TO SAVE MONEY, I'VE NEVER BEEN A PROPONENT.

THOSE THAT KNOW ME WELL KNOW THAT I DON'T BORROW MONEY ALTHOUGH I DO OWE SOME. I JUST AGREE WITH A LOT THAT YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS TAX RATE THING.

AND THEN QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A GREAT TOOL TO LOOK AT, IT'S ONE GAUGE OF MANY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE DATA BEHIND IT ALL. I'VE GOT THINGS IN THE BUDGET THAT I THINK WILL CLEAR MY POINT OUT BETTER WOMEN GO TO THE BUDGET VERY QUICKLY. I DO APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING ALL

THAT TOGETHER. >> YOUR NO NEW REVENUE --

>> I AM A MAN OF MY WORD, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT.

WE DID SIT AND I SAID, BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS, I THINK IF WE BOND 20 MILLION IN BONDS, THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WISH I COULD GO BACK AND CHANGE IT BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THE NEW BUDGET THAT CAME OUT, I THINK I GOT THE SURPLUS -- $17 MILLION MAY BE.

I WAS LIKE, WE ARE GENERATING SOME CASH.

THAT MADE ME THINK OF WE ARE 17 MILLION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. I THOUGHT, WHEN I GET THROUGH THIS, IF YOU ALLOW ME I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THAT ONE REAL QUICK.

WE'VE GOT, I WAS GOING TO BE A SMART ALEC BUT THE MEETINGS GOING WELL ENOUGH. I HAD THIS BIG MARKER.

I WAS GOING TO SHOW IT BUT EVERYBODY, WE ARE GETTING ALONG SO WELL I DO WANT TO START ANYTHING.

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HERE'S WHAT I FIGURED. BASED ON THE LATEST THINGS, FISCAL YEAR 2023, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 14,860,000 IN PROJECTS. BASED ON SURPLUS, I FEEL THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE ALMOST A 30 PERCENT RESERVE AND WE CAN TAKE ALL THE SURPLUS, BUT IN THE LOCKBOX OR WHATEVER THE AGE HE WANTS FOR THE TOP THREE PROJECTS.

BY DOING THAT, WE FREE UP 5.6 MILLION IN BOND MONEY THIS

YEAR. >> CAN ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? I WAS IN A STUDENT THAT THE AG REQUIRED THAT THE FIRST TRANCHE FROM THE BOND MONEY HAD TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE PROJECT. CAN WE USE GENERAL FUND MONEY? I WAS ASKING THE CITY MANAGER. [LAUGHTER]

>> THE AG HAS INDICATED THAT BEFORE WE CAN WORK ON ANY OTHER ROAD PROJECTS, WE HAVE TO FUND THE FIRST THREE READ NAMED FOR THE BOND. RECENT REVIEWS BOND MONEY FOR THESE NAMED PROJECTS PLUS WHATEVER ELSE AFTER.

AND SO, THE MONEY WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE, DOES IT HAVE TO COME FROM BOND FUNDS? OR CAN WE SAY, WE GOT A BUNCH OF EXTRA MONEY OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE SPENT OUT OF THE BOND?

>> ACCORDING TO, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK BUT BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE PROPOSITION THAT SAID THE MONEY WOULD FUND THESE PROJECTS, THE AG IS LOOKING FOR US TO DO THOSE WITH THE BOND.

>> I THINK OF WHAT IT WAS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THOSE THREE PROJECTS BEFORE YOU CAN USE ANYMORE BOND MONEY FOR

OTHER PROJECTS. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE

UNDERSTOOD. >> HERE'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.

IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ALL IN THAT, DO THREE PROJECTS BEFORE YOU DO A NICKEL MORE. BUT IF YOU TAKE THE MONEY, PUT IT IN A LOCKBOX ASIDE AND GO LOOK AT THE PROJECTS, 15 MILLION WERE PRETTY 15 MILLION TO THE SIDE.

THEN YOU CAN SPEND MONEY ON LIVE OAK BECAUSE HYPOTHETICALLY, WE GOT 25 MILLION IN BONDS.

BUT THE 15 MILLION FOR THE THREE ROAD PROJECTS AND START ENGINEERING YOUR OTHER MONEY FOR LIVE OAK AND THEN YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT THIS MORNING SET ASIDE.

HE DIDN'T HAVE TO PHYSICALLY COMPLETE ALL THREE BUT ASSUMING

-- >> THAT'S WHEN TRYING TO FIND OUT. IS THAT MONEY SET ASIDE, CAN YOU BE GENERAL FUND MONEY OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE BOND MONEY?

THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> WE HAVE THE WILDCARD OF THE GENERAL FUND MONEY IF WE NEED TO DO A PARK OR WHATEVER.

IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ROADS READ -- USE ROAD

MONEY. >> WE CAN USE GENERAL REVENUE

MONEY BACK ON THE ROAD MONEY. >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

THAT WE COULD USE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY PAYING BACK THE MONEY THAT WAS SPENT.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE COULD USE GENERAL FUND, HOW MUCH DO HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND? CAN WE PAY IT BACK NOW? THE ANSWER WAS NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY IT OFF SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER BOND ISSUANCE TO PAY THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE

COULD USE GENERAL FUND MONEY. >> POTENTIALLY WE HAD THE 7 MILLION WE WOULD BASICALLY, TAKE THAT 7 MILLION AND PUT IT

BACK INTO THE BOND. >> YOU CAN DO THAT --

>> BONDS BELOW 7 MILLION. AND WE WOULD TAKE THE GENERAL FUND MONEY AND PUT INTO THE BOND.

>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

>> LET ME FINISH THIS UP. HUMOR ME WITH WE CAN ASK WHERE THE MONEY. THEN YOU KNOCK OUT THE THREE PROJECTS, 5.6 MILLION THIS YEAR.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. THAT LEAVES 9.236 MILLION, WE STILL GOTTA DO. THEN I STILL THINK THE EDC, WHILE THERE MAY BE LAND RICH AND CASH POOR, THEY DO HAVE $2 MILLION IN MONEY THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR.

WE HAVE 1,000,000 1/2 THIS YEAR THE BUDGET IS JUST SITTING AT THE BOTTOM. THAT CAN FUND DEBT IN AND OF ITSELF AND REIMBURSE THE CITY. IF WE COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT, WE TELL THEM LOOK, WE NEED YOU GUYS TO FUND THE ROAD, YOU SAID YOU'D BUILD IN YOUR ECONOMIC BILL.

THE COUSIN OF THE 2.99 MILLION OUT THIS YEAR WHICH LEAVES US WITH 6,000,002 ENGINE 46,000. AND THEN I THINK WE START ENGINEERING THE 132 OVERPASS BUT THE MEGA SITE, WHICH IS I'D BE SHOCKED NOBODY SAID ANYTHING WILL HAPPEN THERE.

WE HAVE THE TIRZ, 1.7 MILLION NEXT YEAR WILL GO TOWARDS BRIDGE DESIGN. AND 4.5 MILLION IS WHAT WE

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NEEDED. IF YOU GET ONE MORE YEAR THERE IS 30 MILLION THAT'S ASKED BUT BECAUSE WE'VE ESCROWED THE MONEY FOR THE TOP THREE PROJECTS, WE TAKE 4.9 MILLION OUT OF THAT AND WE ARE AT 20 MILLION LEFT.

THE EDC NOW HAS THE AGREEMENT AND SO THE CITY IS BONDED MONEY HOWEVER THEY HAVE TO DO IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T AFFECT INS, EDC IS PAYING FOR THE DEBT. THAT NEXT 15 MILLION, NOW TIRZ IS UP AND RUNNING AND BONDED. -3.1 MILLION OF THE PAY THAT 7 MILLION. LITERALLY, FOR A HALF-MILLION NEXT YEAR, 7 MILLION THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND 5.5 IN 2025.

IF YOU ASK FOR THE MONEY FOR THE TOP THREE PROJECTS TODAY, THE EDC PAYS FOR THE ROAD THEY PROMISED TO BUILD AND THE -- THIS IS ACTIVELY BEING PERMITTED, AND BEING PURCHASED.

THAT PAYS FOR THAT. AND THE LAST PART OF THIS IS, SURPLUS WENT FROM, THIS IS CRAZY.

A CASH COW RIGHT NOW AND HUTTO. WE FINISHED 2022, 20 WHEN WE FINISHED WITH 9.5 MILLION TOTAL FUND BALANCE.

THEN AFTER RESERVES WE HAD 6.6 MILLION.

WE ARE ESTIMATED TO FINISH THIS YEAR WILL GO FROM 6.6 MILLION, ESTIMATED TO FINISH THE YEAR UNRESERVED AFTER THE RESERVE IS DONE, 14.47 MILLION. WE ALMOST DOUBLED THAT BALANCE IN THE YEAR. AFTER 20 PERCENT RESERVES WE STILL HAVE ALMOST $15 MILLION JUST SITTING THERE.

IF YOU GO SELL A BUNCH OF DEBT AND GO TO TELL THE VOTERS THAT WHEN THIS COMES OUT IN MARCH AND YOU SAY GUYS, WE ARE 100 WHATEVER PERCENT OF THE RESERVE BALANCE, I'M IMAGINING SOMEONE WILL BE MAD BECAUSE THEY SAY WILL WILL YOU SPEND IT? YOU CAN SAY SPEND IT ON SIDEWALKS BUT THAT'S IN THE CIP. YOU CAN SAY SPEND IT ON PARKS BUT PARKS ARE SITTING ON TO POINT SOMETHING MILLION.E HAVEN'T EVEN SPENT. YOU GO TO THE BUDGET, THERE IS MONEY JUST STUFFED EVERYWHERE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN DONE COME OR SOMETHING JAMES WITH THE ENGINEERING MONEY THAT'S LIKE 7 MILLION? THAT WE DON'T PLAN TO USE BUT WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT LATER.HAT'S THAT CALLED?

>> A TALK ABOUT THE $8 MILLION THAT WAS PROPOSED?

>> IS IS LIKE A MINUTE THAT WE HAD TO HAVE EVERYTHING BUDGETED BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE SOMETHING FOR IT RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT EXTRA MONEY, THAT WAS FROM, IF COUNSEL WERE TO ADOPT ANYTHING OTHER THAN NO NEW REVENUE.

THE NUMBER COULD GO ANYWHERE FROM 0 TO 2.1 MILLION.

>> FUND HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL MILLION JUST SITTING THERE AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ENGINEERING OR SOMETHING LIKE FIVE OR 6 MILLION.

THERE JUST MILLION SITTING EVERYWHERE AND I'M SUGGESTING TO EVERYBODY, I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T WANT TO SLOW IT UP WE HAVEN'T ASKED COUNCILMEMBER OUT, I'M SUPPOSED TO REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY AND IT'S ENGINEERED WE JUST FORGOT TO TELL YOU.

THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST THING, THE MONEY IS THERE, PROJECTS ARE COMPLETELY DESIGN. WE JUST FORGOT TO TELL YOU AND THE PREVIOUS THREE PEOPLE IT'S READY TO GO.IF WE HAD PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THEY WERE ENGINEERED, SHOVEL READY, YOU WOULD SEE DIFFERENT ELEMENT FOR ME BUT WE DON'T.

AND WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET EVERYTHING THEY THINK THEY CAN

DO IN ONE YEAR, WE HAVE IT ALL. >> THE ONLY PROBLEM, I LOVE YOUR PLAN. THE ONLY CHANGE I'M SAYING IS, YOU TOLD ME MANY TIMES, UNTIL THE DEALS CLOSED THE DEVELOPMENT DEAL IS NOT DONE. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY. THE OTHER THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS TALKING ABOUT THE TIRZ.

IT WOULD TAKE TIME BEFORE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT AND THERE'S REVENUE COMING IN. YOU SAID YOU BORROWING JUST A MINUTE THEY WILL PAY BACK BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONEY.

THE ONLY WAY YOU HAVE MONEY THAT YOU ISSUE AGAINST WOULD BE THEY HAVE THE TAX EVALUATIONS. WHAT IF BECAUSE WE GO ON THE RECESSION THEY SLOWED ON THE BILL? YES WE ARE PROVISIONS AND ALL THAT BUT YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT WE NEED THE ROADS NO MATTER WHAT.

MY THINKING IS AND THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD WE WOULD HANDLE IT WITH THE EDC IS, WE ISSUE THE BONDS THAT A BETTER TAX RATE FROM THE CITY THAN WHAT THE EDC CAN DO.

THEN WE USE THE MONEY TO PAY THAT BACK IS AN OBLIGATION FROM, AS AN OBLIGATION WAS WE HAVE THAT RUNNING.

AND THE TIRZ CAN OBLIGATE TO THE CITY OR ONCE WE ROLL IN AND WE GET THE DEVELOPER TO PAY AND THEY GET THE PERCENTAGE BACK OF THE COST OF THE ROAD, AND MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.

TO PLAN ON THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT SET UP YET AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE BUILDINGS WILL PHYSICALLY BE THERE TO TAX.

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THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BUT WE NEED THE ROADS.

>> THE EDC HAS -- THEY HAVE OVER 2 MILLION.

THEY'VE ENOUGH MONEY THAT COMES IN THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT REIMBURSING THE CITY BUT ONLY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON THE MONEY THAT IT TAKES TO BUILD A ROAD.

>> IF NONE OF THE OTHER DEALS GO THROUGH, ARE YOU OKAY WITH

THIS? >> WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE BUT THE DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS, THE EDC IS 2 MILLION A YEAR.

WE ARE USING LIKE 100,000 SO THERE'S LIKE A MILLION TO EVEN IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS PRETTY BIG.

>> YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A BOND TO PAY THERE'S NOT JUST MAGIC MONEY THAT COMES. THAT'S WHY WE ISSUE THE BOND FROM THE CITY AND THE EDC PAYS THE TAX, THE PNI ON THE MONEY.

NEXT YEAR WE GO CALCULATE THE RATE WE ARE ABLE TO SHOW, THIS AMOUNT OF INS IS BEING COVERED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION FROM THE EDC AND COMES OFF THE CITIES REQUIREMENT. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS DEBT YOU'RE TALKING BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. ASSUMING ALL THIS HAPPENED BUT THE CITIZENS NEED THE ROAD. YES I THINK THAT THE EDC WILL BE THE VEHICLE WITH THE TIRZ TO PAY THAT.

IT WILL GET DEVELOPED BUT WHETHER THAT GETS SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF A RECESSION AND THERE IS TIME FRAMES.

IT'S LIKE A DECADE OF, THERE'S TIME BEFORE THE PROVISIONS APPLY. YOU KNOW, WE HELP ALL OF THAT.

TALKED ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

WE HAVE A POWER PLANT GETTING BILLED.

WHAT IF THEY ARE BEHIND IN GETTING THEIR PARTS IN AND THEY DON'T DELAY? THAT DELAYS THE DATA CENTER COMING IN THAT WILL BE ITS DEAL.

YES, I 100 PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT I SEE THAT AS A GENDER TILE THAT YOU PULL ONE OUT AND THE WHOLE THING COLLAPSES. THEN WE GET NOTHING DONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THE BONDING THROUGH THE CITY.

THAT'S WHY SAID THE 30 MILLION. >> I AM SUGGESTING THAT DO THE ROADS, 20 MILLION, EDC HAS AN AGREEMENT.

[INAUDIBLE] ON WITH EDC ROAD BONDS ISSUED BY THE CITY TO AFFECT THE INS -- I DON'T WANT THE TAXPAYER PAYING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL BECAUSE WHEN YOU UP THE -- WHATEVER THE REIMBURSEMENT LOOKS LIKE WITH REMEMBER THAT THE TIRZ IS DIFFERENT FROM EDC. THERE IS ENOUGH, THE WHOLE, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE ROAD OUT THERE.

THE ROADS BUILT TO SUPPORT A 400 ACRE -- ASKED TO BE --

>> KEEP IN MIND OUR BONDING, 44 MILLION IS 1.6 MILLION A

YEAR AND DEBT SERVICE. >> NO, THAT WAS DEBT PLUS

PRINCIPAL. >> 1.2.

YOU CAN DO 44 MILLION FOR 1.2. THE INDICES IN THE HUNT FOR 20 MILLION AND AM SUGGESTING IS THEY HAVE MORE THAN AMPLE CASH

TO REIMBURSE THE CITY. >> WHY ARE YOU ISSUING THE

DEBT THEN? >> BECAUSE THE WAY WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IT, IT AFFECTS, YOU CAN RAISE THIS ON THE TAXPAYER. CRYSTAL FUNDS ARE COMING IN THE ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION, UNDERSTANDING IT I ASKED THE CFO TO CLARIFY THEN THAT WOULD CHANGE WHERE I

INITIATE WOULD BE. >> WE ALREADY KNOW AND IS ONE YEAR WHERE WE WOULD BE AT 80 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE.

>> CAN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS?

>> YES MA'AM, SORRY. >> YOUR ACCOUNTING HAVING A DEBATE OVER IN MY OPINION, WHOSE PLAN IS THE RIGHT PLAN.

AND -- SO, I WANT TO SAY RANDALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. ANOTHER SEVERAL OF US THAT WERE VERY FRUSTRATED AT THE INFORMATION BEEN FLOATING ON FACEBOOK AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T RESPOND TO THAT. AND I DON'T THINK CITY BUSINESS OR FACEBOOK SHOULD BE DISCUSSED FOR SOME IS NOT A SITTING EMPLOYEE. WE ARE SITTING EMPLOYEES BUT ANYWAY, RANDALL, YOU DID WORK. THERE ARE FLAWS OPPORTUNITIES FOR FLAWS YOU WORK. MARY, YOUR PRESENT YOU WORK IN YOUR PLAN. I DON'T SEE YOUR DATA, I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER -- I CAN'T REMEMBER NAMES ANYMORE!

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WE ARE MISSING A HUGE PIECE OF THIS CONVERSATION.

AND THAT IS OUR PROFESSIONAL -- WE DON'T HAVE HER BOND COUNSEL HERE EITHER. WE ARE TAKING THE REINS AND DOING A JOB THAT IS IN OUR JOB. IT IS OUR JOB TO MANAGE THE BUDGET AND DECIDE ON THE PROJECTS AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE. IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING BECAUSE MAYBE I SHOULD'VE WENT AND DID MY OWN PROPOSAL WHAT I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE. I FEEL? TRYING TO BE CONVINCED BY COUNCILMEMBERS WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG. THUS THE BEST WAY TO DO WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD FROM OUR CFO OR CITY MANAGER.

I HAVE ALL FAITH THAT WILL DO AN AMAZING JOB.

ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES IS FORWARD THINKING.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE ROAD PROJECTS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO THE CITIZENS AND YOU SEE IT EVERY DAY, TRAFFIC SUCKS.

TRAFFIC WILL GET WORSE. THE REASON WE ARE IN THE SITUATION WHAT HAPPENED IN 19 AND 20 WAS A BIG PROBLEM.

PEOPLE WEREN'T FORWARD THINKING.

WE ARE NOT THINKING, WE SHOULD BE THINKING WHEN YEAR IN ADVANCE, WE SHOULD BE THINKING FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE.

BECAUSE BY THE TIME -- IT WILL BE FIVE OR SIX YEARS BEFORE AND IF WE DON'T GET ON IT NOW, I THINK THAT IF WE KEEP PROPOSING DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT, WE WILL GET CAUGHT IN THIS CONFUSION. LIKE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT, WHO'S RIGHT? ALL HE KNOWS THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, CAN WE GO BACK FROM 40 MILLION TO 30 MILLION? AFTER WE'VE ALREADY SENT THE NOTICE, I DON'T KNOW.

CAN WE CHANGE THAT BOND AMOUNT? >> I WILL WEIGH IN TO ANSWER A SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE IT IS A PERTINENT QUESTION THAT THE COUNSELOR NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND.

THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND THE BOND COUNSEL BOTH SAID THAT TONIGHT IS LAST NIGHT FOR YOU TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO STAFF. DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO STAFF THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS TO ISSUE THE $43 MILLION.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER, LOWER IT, THEN TONIGHT CELESTE MEANT TO GIVE THE DIRECTION TO STAFF BECAUSE DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE PREPARED AND OUT THE DOOR MONDAY.

>> HOW MUCH ARE WE READY SPENT PREPARING FROM THE LAST

DIRECTION? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

I HAVEN'T SEEN INVOICES YET. >> WE KEEP SENDING THINGS BACK TO BE REDUNDANT TO MAKE A DECISION.

I JUST WANT CLEAR INFORMATION GOING UP.

THE CITY IS A HOLE IN THIS BODY SENDING THE SAME MESSAGE TO THE CITIZENS. THE MESSAGE I WANT TO SEND IS ABSOLUTELY, I WANT OUR TAX RATE TO GO DOWN. DON'T WANT TO PAY MORE IN TAXES. WHEN I SEE THE NUMBERS, WE ARE LOWERING THE TAX RATE. AND YES LIKE YOU SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S NOT A GOOD EXCUSE TO SAY PROPERTY VALUES JUST WENT THROUGH THE ROOF BUT THEY DID.

AND NOW THEY ARE READY STARTING TO COME DOWN.

PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SELL HOUSES AND HAVE TO KEEP DROPPING THE PRICE. WANT TO HANDICAP THE CITY AND STAFF AND BE A ROADBLOCK IN THE GETTING THEIR JOB DONE AND BEING ABLE TO DO WELL AND TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SAY, WE HAVE THE MONEY, THIS PROJECT DESIGN, WE WILL DO IT, CAN YOU COME TO YOUR GAS LINES NOW? WE WILL COME DO IT.

INSTEAD OF CAN YOU COME DO IT AND THEN WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT.

AND I IMAGINE LIKE -- I'M EXHAUSTED RIGHT NOW.

BUT LIKE WE SAID WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE PRESENTATION.

IT IS EASIER TO GET THAT WHEN YOU HAVE MONEY IN HAND.

YOU CAN'T SAY WE ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH FOR THIS AND THIS MUCH FOR THIS. WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS.

CAN YOU BID ON ALL THREE AND WE WILL DECIDE WHICH ONE WE WANT TO DO? INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW THE THREE PROJECTS, WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND THE TOP THREE.

WE HAVE OTHER SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO DEAL WITH.

IN MY MIND, I HEAR A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC.

AND I'VE SPOKE A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY AND THE ROADS. I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT DECISION IS PROBABLY THE WRONG DECISION IS TO SET UP HERE, PRESENT OUR OWN PROPOSALS ON WHAT IT SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE.E CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BUT NOT ARGUE. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS ARE ARGUING. BUT I HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK UP WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. RANDALL DID THIS, AND I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT IT ALL COULD BE FINE AND DANDY AND SPECULATION

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-- I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. NONE OF US DO.

>> THE MATH JUST CAME OUT ALL THE INFORMATION.

I JUST TOOK THE BUDGET NUMBERS WITH THE SAME MANAGER GAVE US FOR CAP AND ADJUST, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK YOU -- I DIDN'T THINK TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST HIS PROJECTS, USING THE 15 MILLION WE HAVE IN RESERVES ABOVE AND BEYOND, I AM WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE WAY AND I THINK THAT BY GIVING THE CITY MANAGER $20 MILLION TO GO ENGINEER AND BUILD 14 MILLION PROJECTS, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. TAKE THE 15 MILLION ABOVE AND BEYOND AND ADD 20 MILLION TO IT, THAT'S $34 MILLION AND GO TO THE 14 MILLION PROJECTS YOU SAID YOU CAN DO THIS YEAR.

AND IF YOU GET UP AHEAD OF THE GAME, DO THE PROJECTS NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR COME BACK AND IF IT DOES COST MORE, I WILL TAKE THE RISK BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID IS 10 YEARS BEFORE WE FILL IT ENDED TO MILLION DOLLAR SAVINGS. NEXT YEAR JAMES COMES TO US IN MARCH AND SAYS, I'M KILLING IT. --

>> WE CANNOT BONDED OUT UNTIL OCTOBER AGAIN.

>> YOUR 60 TO 90 DAYS YOU CANNOT COLLECT INS FOR THE FIRST PAYMENT. TWO PAYMENTS A YEAR.

THE FIRST ONE SALE TAX, AND IT WILL COST YOU HALF $1 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE BUT GUESS WHAT? WE ALREADY HAD THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR IN SALES TAX. I THINK MOST OF TWO OR THREE MONTHS LEFT. THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING.

YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE BUT IF YOU EAT THE WHOLE BAG OF CANDY AND GET SICK, YOU CANNOT

COME BACK FROM THAT. >> HERE IS A POSITION FOR LIGAMENT. I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.

IF WE DISAGREE WITH YOU, OR WE ARE DOING IT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE YOU. WHEN IN FACT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE JUST DON'T AGREE AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS. IT IS NOT PERSONAL.

IT'S BUSINESS, CITIZENS AND WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.

IF I WOULD OPENLY SAY, I DON'T BUY IT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TRUST -- TOMORROW FACEBOOK YOU ARE THE SAVIOR OF HUTTO AND YOU KNOW HOW TO DO EVERYTHING TO RUN THE CITY SO WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE A CITY MANAGER OR CFO WHEN YOU WILL DO IT ALL ANYWAY AND WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO JUST AGREE WITH YOU? AGREEING WITH ONE PERSON AND FOLLOWING ONE PERSON IS HOW WE GOT IN THIS PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S WHAT WE FOUGHT AGAINST.

>> WE'VE DONE A REAL GOOD JOB OF DISAGREEING.

I THINK WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU ARE THE SAVIOR OF HUTTO, YOU ARE THIS. WE START GETTING TO THOSE TYPE OF TERMINOLOGIES THAT'S WHAT GETS PEOPLE LINED UP.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU THINK YOU'RE SMARTER THAN ME BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ENGINEER. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE AND I DON'T. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

AS LONG AS WERE PROFESSIONALLY SAYING, I'M NOT BUYING WHAT YOU ARE SELLING A THING IS COMPLETELY FINE THERE SHOULD BE NO REPERCUSSIONS. WE START GETTING INTO WHO IS A SAVIOR AND WHO'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT GETS PEOPLE WOUND UP.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND I THINK SO FAR WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

>> I THINK WHAT GETS PEOPLE RILED UP SCARING THEM.

THE POST SAYING YOUR TAXES WILL BE GOING UP THERE WILL BE MANAGER TAX INCREASES. THESE PEOPLE ARE SCREWING YOU AND ALL OF THAT. THE PROPAGANDA WAS LED BY YOU.

>> TAXES ARE GOING UP. BECAUSE AGAIN IF YOU GO ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE IT IS A TAX INCREASE.

>> IF YOU GO BY THE NAME OF THE CURRENT TAX RATE IS $0.53.

WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH, WAS ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, $0.42-$0.47. 42 AND 47 CENTS IS LOWER THAN

52. >> IS A TAX RATE DECREASE BUT TAX BILL INCREASE. OVERALL TAX BILL INCREASE.

>> BILLING FOR THE BENEFIT FROM WHAT'S IN FRONT OF SILLY PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT OUR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH A HOMESTEAD. EVERYONE ELSE DOES PAY MORE.

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>> YOU HAVE TO BE AT $0.35 TO KNOW.

>> THEY DON'T PAY AS MUCH MORE AND LOWER RATE.

>> THEY DON'T PAY AS MUCH SO DO YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT OR A LOT? BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR FREQUENTLY IS, HOMESTEADERS ARE GETTING CUT TODAY.

COMMERCIAL IS GOING UP NO MATTER WHAT WE DO BUT HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT THOSE PEOPLES TAXES TO GO UP? DO YOU WANT THE TAXES TO GO UP $200, $300, $400? BECAUSE MINE WAS A 250 DECREASE IN TAX BILL TO 150 AND THEN 50.

AS YOU TAKE MONEY OUT OF MY POCKET THAT COULD HAVE GOT OR ANYBODY'S POCKET, THE NON-HOMESTEADERS ARE GOING UP

EVEN MORE TELLING -- >> I AGREE.

FROM MY STANDPOINT IF I COULD TRY TO GET SOME WORDS IN.

I KNOW THAT I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE FULLY -- THE FULL 44.5 MILLION. I'M WILLING TO DO THE 30 MILLION. I KNOW LAST TIME I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW 30 MILLION ISN'T ENOUGH. I AM WILLING TO GET DOWN TO THAT BECAUSE THE 30 MILLION WILL FUND 11.5 MILLION.

IT WILL FUND THE THREE MAIN TO MAIN PROJECTS FROM 2018.

THERE IS 11.5 MILLION. THE 17.5 MILLION WILL GET THE 2024 BECAUSE IN THREE MONTHS IT WILL BE 2024.

17.5 MILLION WILL GET THOSE OTHER PROJECTS STARTED.

IT WILL GET THE MEGA SITE GROWTH STARTED.

THE OVERPASS, 132 OVERPASS. IT WILL GET THESE THINGS STARTED. THEN THE EDC CAN KICK IN ONCE THESE COMPANIES COME, THEN THEY CAN KICK IN AND YOU KNOW, PAY US BACK THAT INS RATE. I'M FOR -- I CAN LIVE WITH 30 MILLION. AND DOING THE DEBT BECAUSE IT WILL -- PEOPLE WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED.

OKAY? PEOPLE EITHER WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT TAXES OR COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROADS.

WE WILL PROBABLY COMPLAIN ABOUT BOTH.

BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET A RATE DECREASE, OVERALL, AS A SIMPLE EQUATION IT IS, AS YOUR MARKET VALUE INCREASES, YOUR RATE DECREASES. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS MORE MATH INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST THE SIMPLE VERSION. FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND I LIKE TO TALK SIMPLE. RANDALL DID HIS CURRENT NUMBERS HE'S GOOD AT THAT. THAT IS A SIMPLE VERSION.

EVERYBODY CUT TAXES SO THE COUNTY CUT YOUR TAX RATE, ISD HAS CUT YOUR TAX RATE BY TWO CENTS.

THE COUNTY HAS CUT YOUR TAX RATE, THE ISD IS CUT YOUR TAX RATE BECAUSE -- WE ARE PROPOSING A TAX RATE CUT.

OVERALL ACROSS THE BOARD, EVERYBODY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TAX RATE DECREASE. HOWEVER, YOU SEE YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL STILL CONTINUE TO GO UP AS YOUR RATE DECREASES.

WHY IS THAT?MARKET VALUE. OVER THIS YEAR, IT HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN AN EXCEPTIONAL YEAR THAT EVERYBODY IS -- MY PROPERTY WENT UP 56 PERCENT. EVERYBODY'S IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS. AS A CITY, WE CANNOT CONTROL THE MARKET. THE COUNTY CAN'T CONTROL THE MARKET. IT IS ABSOLUTELY A TAX RATE DECREASE. AND WE NEED TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED. WE NEED TO GET THEM FINISHED.

PEOPLE WANT THEIR ROADS FIXED. HUTTO HAS GREAT THINGS COMING TO THIS AREA. AND WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IS THOSE DOLLARS BEING SPENT FOR SOMETHING GOOD.

FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS I'VE LIVED HERE IF PAID LOTS OF MONEY. I DON'T HAVE KIDS IN THE SYSTEM YET. BUT I'M GLADLY PAYING THEM.

I'VE ALSO PAID MY COUNTY AND CITY TAXES.

BUT WITH THE ROSE ARE STILL IN SHAMBLES, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE. BUT I'M OKAY WITH BACKING DOWN OFF OF THE 44.5. I'M OKAY WITH BACKING DOWN TO

DO THAT. >> I GUESS I WILL GO.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND GREAT STATISTICIANS CAN MAKE THE NUMBERS SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT. YOU CAN MAKE ANY GRAPH SAY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY WHATEVER YOU NEEDED TO SAY.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE MISINFORMATION THE OTHER

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COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED IS COMING FROM IS, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS BUT I KNOW I'M BEING QUOTED DIRECTLY, DIDN'T NAME ME BUT I'M BEING QUOTED DIRECTLY IN A MISCONSTRUED, UNTRUE CONTEXT. MAYBE THAT WAS YOU BEING A SMART ALEC TO USE YOUR OWN WORDS.

I'M NOT SURE BUT I KNOW UP HERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE AND HAVE CONDUCIVE RELATIONSHIPS.ND THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING BUT FURTHER STIR THE POT AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU PERSONALLY WANT TO TARGET OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS BACK THAT WE ALL WANT TO WORK TOGETHER. IT IS HURTFUL AND IT IS NOT OKAY. I'M SORRY I DON'T ENGAGE IN FACEBOOK. I PERSONALLY JUST DON'T AND I NEVER HAVE. I DON'T FEEL THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PRESENT MYSELF. AS YOU'VE ALWAYS SAID IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM OR QUESTION, YOU ARE ALWAYS FREE TO COME TO ME AS WELL. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER -- I THINK IT IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

I REALLY DO. WE SET THE HIGHEST.4784.

SO WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SO WE CAN GO ANYWHERE WE WANT UP AND DOWN THE RANGE. IF WE WOULD HAVE SAID AT THE NO NEW REVENUE AT THE PAST MEETING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT GOING UP OR DOWN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO MIDDLE GRAY AREA.

SO THAT WAS WHY THAT WAS SAID. AGAIN I WANT TO CLEAR THAT.

NOT BECAUSE EVERYBODY APPEARS THAT WE ARE GOING 44 MILLION, WE WERE THE HIGHEST THIS AND THAT.

NO, IT WAS TO HAVE THE OPEN DISCUSSION AND NOT LIMIT AND BOX OURSELVES INTO ONE SET NUMBER BEFORE REALLY BEING ABLE TO DISCUSS AND DIGEST EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS A LOT TO UNDERTAKE IN ONE MEETING. ESPECIALLY IN THESE LATE HOURS.

THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE DEEMED CRITICAL BY STAFF.

WHATEVER IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE CIP PROJECTS, IT WASN'T ABOUT READING YOUR MIND. IT WAS SIMPLY BUT THESE WERE THE 12 OR SO THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.

SO AGAIN, IT WAS NOT MEANT AS A STEP TOWARD WHATSOEVER.

IT WAS SIMPLY MEANT AS A, I KNOW WE HAVE THESE 12 ON HER PLATE BUT WE SHOULD LOOK FORWARD AND START ADDING OTHER CIP PROJECTS. WE SHOULD ALL COME TO THE TABLE. THUS I'M ASKING FOR, THE CONSIDERATION. AS AN EQUAL, THAT'S ALL.

WANT TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND COME TO THE TABLE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF FRUITFUL INFORMATION AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE WILL -- THAT'S REALLY HOW IF WE HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE, ALL GENUINELY ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT'S HOW WE WILL DO IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IN ANY WAY, IT WAS ABOUT READING YOUR MIND OR BEING UGLY. IT SIMPLY IS WANTING TO COME AND BE A BETTER COUNCILMEMBER MYSELF FOR THE CITY.

AS FOR THE AMOUNTS, I HEARD A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS, AND I JUST REALLY THINK THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO OKAY ALL OF THESE NEW HOMES. WE HAVE AGREED TO I MEAN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS IN THE LAST 2 TO 3 YEARS.

THUS THE TIMEFRAME WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.

WE HAVE BROUGHT SO MANY HOMES AND SOME COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

AND HOPEFULLY WE SEE THAT SO TO TAKE OFF MORE AND MORE.

EVERYONE THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE, SAID HOW HORRIBLE THE ROADS WERE. TRAFFIC.

TRAGEDIES, HOW OFTEN WE ARE GETTING THOSE KIND OF EMAILS.

AND I DON'T HONESTLY THINK THAT WE CAN SAY WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE NO NEW REVENUE, BUT STILL BE OKAY ALL THESE HOMES, ALL THESE PROJECTS AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE UPFRONT AND WE ARE NOT. AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS REALLY IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE LONG TERM OF THIS TREND WILL COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DO NO NEW REVENUE.

DO I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE WITH THE UNUSED INCREMENT? PROBABLY NOT EITHER AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND PUSH AND PULL. ARE SOME PEOPLE GOING TO GO UP? YES. SOME PEOPLE GO DOWN? YES. BUT OVERLOOK THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS ARE BETTER, IF WE HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, THE CITY AS A WHOLE IS GOING TO LOOK BETTER. FOR ME JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT

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THE NUMBERS AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH AS MY PROPOSAL, I LIKE TO GO WITH WADE'S OF 37 MILLION AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, 75 PERCENT.

NOT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, 75 PERCENT THAT'S .449324. WADE SAID WHAT HE MEANS IS 37 MILLION.

EVERYBODY APPEARS CONGRATULATED WADE, WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB HE'S DONE. I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE TOOLS AND WHAT HE SAID HE NEEDS. AND IF HE DOESN'T PERFORM, THEN THERE'S NO EXCUSE, NO REASON WE GAVE EVERYTHING HE SAID HE NEEDED. IF IS NOT DONE THEN, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT THE FEET OFFOF WHAT STEPH IS SAYING THEY NEED , THE TIME THEY PUT TO PUT THESE PROPOSALS AND DRAFT SO MUCH WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THE HOURS ARE GOING TO ALL THE PLANS AND I JUST CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. PERSONALLY, I WANT TO GIVE WADE WHAT HE SAID HE NEEDS. I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH THE 37 MILLION AT THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, 75 PERCENT WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY JUST ONE UP FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE.OUR OPTIONS, NO NEW REVENUE, THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND.

NOT THE THIRD OR FOURTH. THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELING.

>> MY TURN. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MAYOR KIND OF TALKING WITH ME.I REACHED OUT TO HIM, A WEEK OR SO AGO. HE AND I HAD BEEN TALKING THROUGH THINGS AND WORKING THROUGH THINGS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITIZENS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY STAFF JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS TO GET ALL OF THESE WHAT IF SCENARIOS FOR US AND WHAT IF WE DO 15 MILLION THIS YEAR AND THEN, SO MUCH NEXT YEAR AND WHAT IF WE DO 20 AND 30 AND WHERE THEY ARE AT.

THEY GIVE US ALL THOSE. WHEN I FIRST GOT THOSE, REALLY SCARED ME WHEN I SAW HOW MUCH OVERALL EXTRA WE WOULD BE PAYING IF WE DID IT PIECEMEAL VERSUS JUST ALL AT ONCE, RIGHT? IT RANGED FROM TWO AND HALF MILLION ALL THE WAY TO 4 MILLION EXTRA TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD BE SPENDING IF WE DO IT YOU KNOW, A LITTLE AT A TIME VERSUS THE FULL 44 WE TALKED ABOUT. INITIALLY THAT SCARED ME BUT AS WE TALKED THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILMAN CLARK IS COMING FROM.

IN THE LONG RUN, MAYBE IT IS WORTH GOING AHEAD AND DOING THAT BECAUSE WE CAN SPREAD OUT OVER SO MANY YEARS AND WE WILL HAVE SOME MORE CITIZENS WE CAN SPREAD IT AGAINST.

KIND OF SOFTENED THE BLOW FOR ME LITTLE BIT.

WHEN I REALIZED MAYBE WE CAN GIVE A GREATER TAX BREAK TO THE CITIZENS NOW. AND THAT WE ALL KIND OF SHARING THE OVERALL BURDEN IN THE LONG RUN, MAYBE IT'S WORTH IT.

I THINK THE TRANSIT CONVINCED ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE GLASS IS HALF-FULL, HE'S A GLASS HALF EMPTY AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS RECESSION WILL HOLD.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AND THE LAST THING I WANT IS THAT, FOR US TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE CITIZENS NEXT YEAR THAT WE ARE DOING THIS WITH THE TAX RATE. GOING UP AND DOWN AND PEOPLE GETTING A LOT OF BIG MONEY SAVED HERE AND SPENDING, HAVING TO HAVE A TAX INCREASE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE SAW. I WAS COMING IN TONIGHT THINKING THAT 30 MILLION WAS THE RIGHT NUMBER.

ASSUMING THAT WE HAD TO HAVE 10 MILLION IN BOND MONEY TO SET ASIDE. DID YOU GET THAT ANSWER? SO AGAIN, WE HEARD TWO SCENARIOS.

WE NEED TO FUND THREE PROJECTS FIRST.

WE DON'T HAVE TO FINISH THEM BUT AT LEAST HAVE THE MONEY FUNDED AND SET ASIDE. I HAVE HEARD THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITH GENERAL FUND MONEY INSTEAD OF -- IS THAT NOT THE CASE? WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY USE BOND DOLLARS OR CAN WE TAKE GENERAL FUND MONEY, BUT THAT IN THE BOND ACCOUNT AND THAT COUNTS? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30 OR

20. >> WRIGHT, BUT YOU WILL NEED ALMOST $12 MILLION WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE AN FUND BALANCED TO PUT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE PUT OVER

AND FUNDED. >> I THOUGHT I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY HE THOUGHT WE DO HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY.

>> THAT'S OVER THE YEARS. >> THAT'S AN ESTIMATE FOR 2022. ANDREW ESTIMATED TO ALSO CARRY OVER 2.9 MILLION OF THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

>> WE HAVE A MONTH AGO. 14.4 MILLION IN UNRESERVED, 17.8 MILLION MINUS THE FUND RESERVE.

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14.4 -- >> WHAT ABOUT THE 2.9?

>> 10 MILLION EXTRA FUND BALANCE, -- I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE YOUR BUDGET SAYS 14.472215 RESERVE FUND BALANCE, IT IS ESTIMATED BUT YOU CANNOT BE OFF FOR 5 MILLION IN THE LAST -- WE HAD TO BE CLOSE

ENOUGH -- >> MOST CURRENT BUDGET ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU ONLY HAVE 9.9 MILLION.

>> LOOKING AT THIS. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE END OF THE YEAR. YOUR ESTIMATE 2022, YOU HAVE 14, WYCLIFFE 17.8 MILLION FUND BALANCE.

-3 POINT MILLION AND 20 PERCENT RESERVES.

14.47. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. IT ALSO DOESN'T TAKE INTO

ACCOUNT THE 2.9 MILLION. >> IT DROPS IT DOWN TO 11.

>> THAT WE WANT TO GO TO -- >> THAT'S ASSUMING WE BELIEVE 20 PERCENT IS SUFFICIENT FUND BALANCE.

OUR REQUIRED RESERVE AMOUNT, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY LOW.

IT DOESN'T EVEN MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS.

>> IT DROPS IT DOWN TO 11 AND TO HAVE THE PART 1011 AND IT TAKES EVERYBODY OUT. IF WE WANT TO DO ANY OF THE OTHER, THAT PUTS US AT THE EDGE.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR BOND RATING BECAUSE IT WILL

BE SO MUCH LESS FUNDRAISING. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. FOR TO TAKE THE GENERAL FUND MONEY AND SET ASIDE, THEN WE ARE BARELY MAKING IT BY ON WHAT THE FUND BALANCES AND EXTRA IS AND WE DON'T HER BREATHING

ROOM. >> WHENEVER WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROPOSED TRANSPORTATION DRAINAGE PROJECT, WE ALSO HAD SAID THAT THE COUNTY ROAD 199 REPAIRS WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT POSSIBLY LEGENDS OF HUTTO DRAINAGE CHANNEL WAS GENERAL FUND. SIDEWALKS WERE GENERAL FUND.

SOME OF THOSE OTHER THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED WITH BOND MONEY, WE HAVE USED FROM GENERAL FUND INSTEAD.

>> IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. WE MADE ALMOST 7 MILLION IN ONE

YEAR. >> A LOT OF PROJECTS ARE MORE

THAN ONE PHASE AND -- >> 25 MILLION, 22 MILLION.

WHATEVER -- >> IF WE DID 25 -- WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE BLOW TO THE PROJECTS AND JAMES IS JUST ROCKING IT AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND HE SAYS I'M OUT OF MONEY, I'M NOT WORKING ON THE ROADS. THEN YOU ARE GOOD WITH DOING

THE SECOND ONE NEXT YEAR? >> NO, I'M GOOD DOING IT SIX

MONTHS EARLY. >> IF HE BLOWS OUT OF MONEY I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE BUT IF IT COMES BACK A YEAR FROM NOW, I WANT TO SAY ANYONE IS RIGHT, I'M WILLING TO SAY NEXT YEAR, AT 20 MILLION BUT WE ARE CARRYING SOME STUFF OVER.

WE WILL REVISE THIS AND DOING 17 MILLION BECAUSE I STILL HAVE STUFF FROM LAST YEAR WE ARE WORKING ON.

I WANT TO BE, MAKE NO MISTAKE. I'M NOT TRYING TO HAMSTRING ANYBODY, I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP PROGRESS OF ANYTHING THIS INFORMATION GOES BOTH WAYS. I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP ANYTHING.'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T TERMINATE A PROBLEM.

IN THIS DEBT IS A HOAX. JIM DID NOT SAY IT, STAFF DIDN'T SAY IT. STEPH IS SAYING YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T RUN THEM DOWN I WILL BE SHOCKED IF A BOND PERSON CAME UP AND SAID I THINK YOU GUYS THE BOND INVESTORS WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BORROW 48 MILLION, A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN 20 MILLION AND ONE RESERVES DOWN FROM 100 PERCENT.

AND WE STILL HAVE TWO OR THREE MONTHS OF SALES TAX STILL COMING IN. IF 20 SEEMS LIKE IT'S SHORT, WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY TO GET IT THERE, I DON'T THINK 30 MILLION IS NUMBER BECAUSE WE ARE WAY OVER.E ARE STILL NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ONE OF MY NOTES OC IMPACT FEES ON THE BUDGET WHATSOEVER. ANY GROWTH NEXT YEAR, THERE IS 4000 PER HOUSE THAT GOES. 1000 HOUSES IS $4 MILLION RIGHT THERE. WE ARE ON PACE TO DO 1000

HOMES. >> WILL SEE THAT.

WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO AS THE IMPACT FEES.

WHENEVER WE WENT AND CHANGED IT, JUST NOW FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR THE ONES ARE JUST STARTING TO SEE.

>> IMPACT FEES WOULD BE WATER AND WASTEWATER.

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>> WE HAVE OTHERS AS WELL. >> WHICH WOULD SEE NOTHING.

BUT THE $4000 YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS WATER AND WASTEWATER.

>> NO, WATER AND WASTEWATER IS LIKE 9000 SOMETHING DOLLARS.

THEN THERE IS A 4000 -- UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT SEEING MUCH NOW BECAUSE HOUSES BEING BUILT NOW ARE THE ONES PLOTTED TWO YEARS AGO. THE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT TOMORROW, ARE THE ONES WE PLOTTED YESTERDAY.

TOTAL, THERE IS A 13,000 IMPACT FEE PER HOUSE.

WATER, WASTEWATER AND ROADS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE, WOULD HAVE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEES.

WE HAVE FOUR PIDS, WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY SLOSHING AROUND.

>> AND THESE ARE TO BE USED IN THE PID BECAUSE THEY WERE PAID FROM THE DEBT. DURANGO, COTTONWOOD AND EMORY

ARE ALL RESTRICTED. >> I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WE DID A MUD, TO MILLION DOLLAR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE ANY WAY WE SEE FIT. THAT'S WHY VEST ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION -- MEMBER VOTING ON PROJECTS AT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE TO BE SPENT OUTSIDE OF THE PID DISTRICT.

-- THE OTHER WAS ALSO THE DISTRICT.

WE KEPT APPROVING THEM. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE SAYING NO BUT YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING ME ANY INFORMATION THAT SAYS OTHERWISE. YOU SAY NO AND THE TONGUE ARE VOTED ON SOMETHING AND I READ SOMETHING.

AND WE KEPT SAYING WE WILL DO IT, PUT IT TOWARD THE BRIDGE.

DO NOT PUT IT TOWARDS THE BRIDGE.

IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT, SHOW ME SOMETHING.

BECAUSE JUST TELLING ME DOESN'T HELP ME.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IRRITATED HERE BUT FOR MORE THAN ONE MEETING I HAVE ASKED, PLEASE BREAK DOWN ALL THIS MORNING WE HAVE PENDING WHAT'S COMING SO WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

IMPACT FEES, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THE BUDGET SAYS WE ESTIMATE BASED ON THIS PLOT AND THIS PLAT FILE.

WE ESTIMATE 1.2 MILLION IMPACT FEES FOR TRAFFIC.OT HAVING THAT THE BUDGET TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME FEE COMING IN. ON STUFF THAT WE APPROVED ONE YEAR AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I'M NOT INTO THE WEEDS ON WHAT'S GETTING DONE WHERE BUT I KNOW MOST OF THE STUFF NORTH IS PART OF THAT.

THOSE ARE JUST LITTLE THINGS I THINK WE GET THIS, WE GET THE PART YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND I DON'T MIND FUNDING MORE BUT I DON'T WANT TO BOND A TON WE HAVE, NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT TONIGHT. WE HAVE MILLIONS IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS, JUST SITTING THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO. IT MAKES ME WONDER, THERE'S

MORE MONEY IN HERE. >> I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M WILLING TO GO TO 25. AND MEET THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE BACKUP OF COMING BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAYING WE NEED TO ISSUE MORE AND THIS IS WHERE WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE EXTRA COST WILL BE.

WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, THE AR WITH KETCHUP GIVES US THE MATCH RATE OF -- 30 MILLION IN DEBT IS $0.11.

IF WE TAKE 5 MILLION OFF OF THAT, IT IS ALMOST A PENNY.

IT ALMOST GETS US TO THE NO NEW REVENUE.

>> IF WE BORROWED WHAT I THINK WE GET YOU BY WHEN YOU'RE WITH AND OF EXTRA AND MAX OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT IS A LEGACY ISSUE. THEN I SAID I WOULD GET UP HERE IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT.

MY COGNITION SINCE 20 MILLION. WE ARE A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, I'M ONE OF THE BIGGEST NO NEW REVENUE PROPONENTS OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID I WOULD DO. AND IF IT TAKES TO GET TO 25 MILLION TO ME, THAT IS A HUGE CONCESSION.

FOR THE TAXPAYERS. AND SO, IF I GET BEAT UP BEING NO NEW REVENUE AND WE ARE SLIGHTLY ABOVE, THEN I GET BEAT UP ALL THE TIME. I THINK I LIKE IT SO, SO BE IT.

MY PROMISE IS, IF THE COUNCIL GOES THIS WAY, AND YOU COME BACK AND WADE FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE IN HUTTO BEFORE AND GETS THE STUFF MOVING AND ENGINEERED, WE WILL FIGURE A WAY TO GET THE FIRST BOND PAYMENT PAID SO YOU CAN

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SELL BONDS IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, WHENEVER YOU WANT TO SELL THEM. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE INTEREST RATE BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I REALLY DON'T THINK

THAT WILL HAPPEN. >> WE'VE GOT 15 MILLION WOULD THINK WE CAN SPEND NEXT YEAR. WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH.

>> AND ANY OTHER THING AT 25, ASSUMING THE EDC DEVELOPMENTS WE HOPE HAPPEN, THEY WILL HAVE THE FUNDS.

WE MAY NOT HAVE TO ISSUE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT, EVEN THEN IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE RATE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THEM TO BACK UP THAT COST AND WE WILL KNOW BY THAT TIME IF IT HAPPENS. 25 MILLION WOULD GET HIS PAST WHERE WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THE REALTORS ALSO WERE NO WITH THE RECESSION, RIGHT NOW EVEN THOUGH IT DID VERY CONSERVATIVE ON SALES TAX NUMBERS THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO INCREASE NEXT YEAR WERE THEY NOT. BECAUSE IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND

PEOPLE SAY I'M NOT GOING -- >> MOST OF OUR FOOD IS FAST FOOD. HAVING THAT BOND, THE DIFFERENCE IN CASE THE REVENUE FOR CASH FLOW PURPOSES, LOOKING AT CASH FLOW ACROSS THE AIR. 25 MILLION WILL GET US TO WHERE, THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR AND WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WILL DO BECAUSE THEY MEET EVERY TWO YEARS.

I THINK PROPERTY TAX REFORM WILL BE A CENTRAL TOPIC OF THE STATE LEVEL. THIS GIVES US, JUST GETS US THERE, GETS US THE COURAGE AND THEN, SO.

>> I'M GOOD WITH 25. >> I'M GOOD WITH, WE BLOW TO THE MONEY WITH STUFF ENGINEERED WE ARE READY TO GO BOLD IN OVERPASS 132. WE BOND IT AS SOON AS WE CAN.

DON'T WAIT. WE DON'T WANT TO BE WAITING AROUND. WE WANT TO HEAR THAT WHEN IT'S WAVING. WE ARE ON TRACK TO GET THERE AND WILL MAKE THIS MORNING IN SIX DAYS, 90 DAYS WHATEVER.

WE NEED TO GET GOING ON A NEW BOND.THAT'S FINE.

I'M NOT SOLD ON THE RATE YET. THE 25 MILLION AT THINK MAKES SENSE. I THINK IT IS A GOOD -- IT GETS, IT PREVENTS SLOWING DOWN RIGHT NOW.

>> AND WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THE RATE TONIGHT ANYWAY.

JUST WHERE WE ARE AT THAT'S ALL.

>> WHY WOULD WE GO FROM LIKE 25, WHY WOULD WE PUT IT DOWN LOWER, OBVIOUSLY TO GET LOWER TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT OF IT BUT IF IT GETS CLOSE ENOUGH, WHICH IT GETS EXTREMELY CLOSE, RIGHT? ON THESE COME ON THE TABLE HERE.

THAT $5 MILLION WILL EVENTUALLY GET USED FOR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE UPCOMING PROJECTS. WE ARE PROJECTS COMING UP.

BASED ON THE PAVEMENT STUDY, YOU NAME IT.

THE MAYOR HAS A LIST OF THINGS THAT HE WANTS STAFF TO LOOK INTO TO EVENTUALLY BE PUT IN FUTURE LISTS.

I GUESS, OBVIOUSLY THE DIFFERENCE IS 5 MILLION.>>

BETWEEN 25 AND 30 YOU MEAN? >> YEAH.

AND THE 11.5, WOULD FUND THE THREE PROJECTS AND 17.5, GETS STARTED AND FUND ALL 24. WE DON'T EVEN REALLY HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION NEXT YEAR.

WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO IT.

IN A NEW EVEN IF WE DON'T USE ALL OF THE FUNDS AT THE EDC WHEN IT KICKS IN OR WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE THE PROJECT UPCOMING TO USE 5 MILLION TOWARDS.

AND WE ALSO DO HAVE THE REIMBURSEMENT.

WE HAVE TO REIMBURSE THE CITY, A PORTION OF SOME THINGS THEY PAID OUT OF POCKET. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE TOO.

WITH 30 MILLION, WITH ROTOR APPROVED WITH KETCHUP, IT COMES SUPER CLOSE TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

VERY CLOSE. >> I FEEL LIKE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 30. THE REASON I SAY THAT AGAIN, WE'RE DOING THE STUDY, A ROAD STUDY.TILL VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING ED SCHMIDT FIXED SOONER THAN LATER.

IT IS A SAFETY HAZARD, IT IS AMAZING WE HAVEN'T HAD MORE INCIDENTS THERE. WE ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR CHANDLER IN 1660. THAT WILL COST MONEY YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT EXCHANGE AND LIMBER BY THE SCHOOL AT THINK OF WE

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CAN PARTNER WITH THE IST AND GET IT DONE SOONER THE BETTER ON THAT. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE 30 MILLION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INVEST A LOT OF MONEY, IT WILL GOING TO DESIGN.

THE THREE MAJOR PROJECTS. AND THAT WILL HAVE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.

THAT ARE IMPORTANT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW EARLIER THE WORK SESSION, A PIECE OF IT WAS ABOUT THE CIP IS AND HOW ALL THE MASTER PLANS WILL HOPEFULLY BE COMING TO COUNSEL FOR PRESENTATION AROUND THE NOVEMBER, MORE THAN LIKELY NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME. WE WILL BE HAVING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE FOUND FOR THE CIP IN THE PROCESS OF THAT PLANNING THAT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO THINGS BUBBLING UP. THESE ARE CRITICAL PROJECT

STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD TO US. >> LET ME TRY THIS WAY.

I MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE BOND DEBT ISSUANCE TO 25

MILLION. >> SECOND.

>> IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND WE WOULD NEED A SECOND

VOTE. >> Q TIED TO THE AGENDA ITEM?

>> YES, HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO WORD IT?

>> JUST ADD FOR THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE OUR BOND INSURANCE AMOUNT TO $25 MILLION IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 2023.

>> SECOND THAT. THE ATTEMPT TO BE LOWERING THE

RATE. >>>> I LIKE TO SEE IF WE DO

THE VR OR THE APPROVAL RATE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT TO 30 MILLION.

>> SECOND. >> OKAY.

>> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM, SECOND.

WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT, SECONDED, CHANGING THE AMOUNT TO 30 MILLION. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION FAILS THIS LEAVES THE MOTION AT 25 MILLION ANYONE DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. FOR THE MATTER OF TIME I DON'T HOW PEOPLE WILL BE ON THE BUDGET.

I CAN GIVE CLIFF NOTES IN THREE MINUTES.

THAT'S JUST THIS MEETING. IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST OR IF

YOU WANT TO GO FIRST. >> BEFORE WE GO, I WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR INDULGING THE COUNCIL IN OUR RECONSIDERATION OF WHAT WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO.

I KNOW THIS WILL BE A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU GUYS, PROBABLY OVER THE WEEKEND. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I KNOW IT WAS NOT AN EASY DECISION FOR US TO DO AND MAKE AND WE ARE PUTTING A LOT ON YOU AND STAFF.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

A COUPLE OF KEYNOTES. I LOOKED THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED IT WAS PROVIDING 30.79 PERCENT MORE MONEY THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. OF THAT WAS 2.4 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE RATE FROM NEW PROPERTY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS BUDGET IS ALMOST 2 AND HALF MILLION.

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TO YOUR POINT, ALL NEW PROPERTY WE DID NOT HAVE LAST YEAR.

I WROTE SOME THINGS DOWN ABOUT THE POSITIONS.

JUST MY OPINION, THE VICTIM ASSISTANT COORDINATOR I THINK IS IMPORTANT. AND I'M TORN BECAUSE IT CAN BE A GRANTOR OR NOT BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS, I FORGET HISNAME . CHIEF STEWART WAS TELLING ME THE PROBLEMS THEY WERE HAVING WITH SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I DO REALLY THINK PROJECT MANAGER IS IMPORTANT AND HERE'S WHY.

I DON'T KNOW PROJECT MANAGER NEEDS TO BE THE ENGINEER BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PERSON IS ABLE TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE WHO IS CALLING TXDOT AND HAMMERING THEM FOR WHERE ARE WE AT AND WHOSE MAKING SURE POLLS GET ORDER, MAKING SURE AND UPDATE. NOW THAT THIS IS DONE I'M SORRY, THE UPDATE I GOT FROM 1660 NW., NOW THAT IT IS PERMITTED, WE ARE FILLING OUT PAPERWORK ON THE TXDOT SIDE.

NOW THE CONTRACTOR WILL ORDER THE POLLS.

AND I'M LIKE, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN.

SO MANY TO GET ON THAT, RIGHT? I THINK A PROJECT MANAGER DOES NOT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL PRODUCTS ARE RETURNING EMAILS TO THE ENGINEERS CAN DO WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS ENGINEER, NOT RETURNING -- AND SAYING, JOE SCHMOE CALMLY SAID HE'D BE OUT HERE POURING ASPHALT, WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

THE MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT IS EARLY FOR THAT. AND I HATE GOING BACK IN HISTORY. HE DID HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HIGH-PAYING EXECUTIVE JOBS ONCE UPON A TIME.

I WOULD RATHER SEE YOU GET THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING TO THE ASSISTANT FOR CITY MANAGER WOULD DO.

GOING HIT THIS ISSUE IN THAT ISSUE.

I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF WHAT YOU THINK THE ROLES OF ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER WILL BE.

WE DID TALK ONCE ABOUT WE NEED TO HAVE TWO ACM AND NO ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, WAS THE DIFFERENCE? THE MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS DID SEEM ALMOST LIKE -- THE OTHER QUICK THINGS, I WILL PUT THEM ON PUBLIC REAL QUICK AND WE CAN TALK MORE. FROM THE PARK STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO CUT. BUT I DON'T KNOW I WOULD DO BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS. REASON BEING I HAVE NOT PUT ANY MONEY TO THE PARK. WE HAVE A PARK SUPERINTENDENT, THAT WAS A BIG INCREASE. NO RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT AND DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION BALANCING THE BUDGET. I THINK THERE'S ONLY $35,000 IN PROGRAMMING. TELLING SOMEONE TO IF THERE IS A PLAN, I'M USED TO WHOLE PLAN A WHOLE LIST OF ACTIVITIES AND EVERYTHING WE WILL DO FOR THE YEAR.

THIS IS WHY NEITHER POSITION. I'M 100 PERCENT ON BOARD.

I KNEW THIS POSITION AND COME UP LATER WITH WHAT WE WILL DO.

I ALWAYS STRUGGLED TO DO THAT IS JUST A BAD HABIT I GUESS.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE REST OF THE STAFF WAS JUST QUESTIONS.

THE OTHER THING I THINK I WAS TELLING YOU, I LIKE TO ALSO LOOK AT A BUDGET PERSON. I DO KNOW THE TITLE IS CALLED BUT THE BUDGET IS LIKE 64 PAGES.

IT COULD BE LIKE 3 TO 400 PAGES IF IT WAS LIKE OTHER CITIES.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, UNEARTHING AND YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. AND I'M THINKING SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD YOUR HIGH-POWER PERSON HANDLING THE STUFF BUT IT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY, I THINK WILL MAKE THIS BUDGET PROCESS GO SMOOTHER. BECAUSE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES I SAW TODAY WAS THERE WAS 7000, 7000, 38,000 AND ONE BUDGET AND HAD AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT COST 38,000.

I WAS LOOKING AT IT I HAVE NO PROBLEM AND THE WHOLE PUBLIC SEX HAD NO PROBLEM. WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.

THE BUDGET, THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR -- AND SO WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY. I'M LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ADD HELP TO GET EVEN MORE. AND THEN, JUST SOME THINGS I WANTED TO GET WITH YOU ALL IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PLAN WAS BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IN THE BUDGET. MAKE MILLIONS IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. I THINK YOU OR ANGIE SAID THAT MOVING TO SOME ENGINEERING ON SOME THINGS.

I THINK IT'S A BETTER USE OF MONEY.

WADE DOES A GOOD JOB AT WEIGHT IS AT THE HIGHEST, THE FACT THE HIGHEST, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A HIGH POWER PERSON WE'RE BRINGING IN AND MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE.

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OUTSIDE OF THAT, I JUST GOT NOTES ALL OVER.

I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENTS.

AT ONE PUTTING THE MONEY BUT I LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY OF TALKING TO SOME DOWNTOWN PEOPLE THAT MAY BE A BETTER BANG THAN CHRISTMAS LIGHTS HUNG UP.

NOT THAT IT IS SOMETHING TO DRUG DOWN THERE BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH IT FOR ME. HOW DID I DO?

>> AWESOME. >> IF ONLY IT COULD BE LIKE

THAT EVERY TIME. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. ONE IS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I SEE THREE ADDITIONAL PATROL OFFICERS. WHAT WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION WAS STANDING UP A TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT UNIT.

I DON'T SEE THAT CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY IN HERE.

IS THIS A CHANGE? OR IS IT JUST NOT CALLING OUT

THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT? >> I GET TO CLAIM IGNORANCE, THAT'S A GOOD THING ABOUT BEING THE NEW GUY.

BUT LIEUTENANT IS HERE. ALSO GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN I HEAR THREE FTES PROBABLY FILLING OUT SHIFTS BUT I WILL

LET LT SPEAK. >>.

[INAUDIBLE] >> YES SIR.

>> TRAFFIC UNIT. WE ARE STILL SEEKING THAT DESPERATELY. AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THE FATAL CRASHES HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

MOST OF ALL, WE WANT TO SEE IT STOP BECAUSE OF THE HORRORS WE

HAD TO DEAL WITH ON THAT. >> LIEUTENANT, ARE THESE THREE FTES BEING REQUESTED, FOR SUPPORTING PROPPING UP THE TRAFFIC UNIT? OR FOR OTHER PURPOSES?

>> WE ASKED FOR THREE TRAFFIC UNIT OFFICES AND THROUGH VEHICLES TO GO WITH THEM. AND THE AMOUNT I WAS GETTING FOR THAT, WAS ABOUT 641,000 STARTUP.

FOR THE CARS AND OF COURSE IT WOULD JUST BE --

>> YES, SOUNDS LIKE IT IS FOR PROPPING UP THE TRAFFIC UNIT.

>> OKAY. WE WERE ALSO HOPING THAT FOR THE FUTURE BUT DON'T HAVE IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE

OF THAT OR NOT. >> OKAY, AT SOME POINT TALKED ABOUT SOMEONE TO WRITE GRANTS FOR THE CITY.

YOU HAVE AN EXISTING PERSON? >> I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE THE CHIEF BROUGHT IT UP. THEY WERE APPLYING FOR THE NATIONWIDE GRANT, FORTUNATELY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN-HOUSE THAT IS A GRANT WRITER.

AND SO, SHE IS QUALIFIED TO DO THAT BUT JUST IN GENERAL FOR THE CITY, THERE IS NO EMPLOYEE OR IF THERE IS AN AMOUNT THAT WE MAYBE WANT TO ALLOT, THAT CAN DO THE RESEARCH ON THE GRANT OUT THERE AND CONTRACT THAT OUT TO SAY FIND AS MANY AS YOU CAN, LET'S APPLY FOR THEM. OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS THAT IT GOES THROUGH. THE CITY MANAGER CAN SPEAK TO

THAT BUT -- >> HPC ONCE GRANT WRITERS TOO.

>> MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY -- >> THERE IS GRANT WRITING COMPANIES THAT GO OUT AND WILL WRITE GRANTS AND IF HE IS A PERCENTAGE THEY JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF GRANT MONEY AS PART OF THEIR COST. SO IT IS NO UNFUNDED LIABILITY OF US HAVING STAFF, IS NOT BENEFITS AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ZERO COMING IN SO WE GET A LITTLE BIT LESS OF THAT.

I THINK IS THE BETTER WAY TO GO.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE DIRECT STAFF INSTEAD OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> I JUST WANT TO ASK. WHEN IT COMES TO ADDITIONAL POSITIONS I THINK THE VICTIM SERVICES COORDINATOR MAKES SENSE TO ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS BUT I'M READY TO SAY YES. THAT IS A NEED.

THE OTHER POSITIONS I THINK THERE IS CASES FOR EVERYTHING.

IT INCLUDES HAVING A PROJECT MANAGER, HAVING SOMEONE OVER ENGINEERING, THAT CAN EVEN BE A HABIT OF IT PROJECT MANAGER POSITION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

70 OVERSEEING ALL THE ENGINEERING PROJECTS THAT WE

HAVE GOING ON. >> AND HELPS EVERY PROJECT

MANAGER HAS DONE THE JOB. >> YES NOT REQUIRED BUT CERTAINLY HELPFUL TO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THEIR

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FOLLOWING UP ON. WE HAVE A STAFFING STUDY AND PLAN -- SOME OF THE POSITIONS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY SHOULD FILL THEM RIGHT NOW GET THE STAFFING STUDY DOWN AND SEE WHERE WE SIT AND SEE WHAT THE PRIORITY SHOULD BE WHEN WE GET THAT STUDY, WE CAN STILL MAKE DECISIONS.

AN OFFER TO START ADDING THOSE POSITIONS RIGHT NOW WITH KIND

OF LIMITED INFORMATION. >> WOULD YOU BE OKAY FINDING THEM BUT NOT NAMING THEM? HAVE WE DECIDED? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OR JUST NOT EDIT IN THE

BUDGET? >> I WOULD RATHER NOT ADD SOMETHING TO THE BUDGET WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S FOR.

>> WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE, WITH THE NEEDS FOR STAFFING IS IN CITY HALL, IS THAT GETTING INVOLVED WITH DAY-TO-DAY? IT'S NOT?

I JUST WANTED TO ASK. >> THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE IS, HIRING IS TOUGH. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HIRE THE STAFF AND WE WANTED, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE HAD SUCH A GREAT FUND BALANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS MORNING FOR THE SALARIES AND WE DON'T -- ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK GOING WITH A GRADUATE ASSISTANT POSITION THAT IS, THAT CAN PLUG-IN AND FILL GAPS, IT'S PROBABLY SOMEONE THAT CAN BE HIRED WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO. LIKE IT IS NOT, THE ODDS OF YOU NOT FINDING SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BUILD A RESUME THAT WILL THEN PLUG IN AND HELP US IS PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO GET FILLED. ONE OF THESE OTHER ONES IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO UNFILLED UNFORTUNATELY.

I DOUBT THAT WE WILL FILL THE POSITIONS.

I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO ADD THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEANS THAT YOU TEMPORARILY HIGHER TO A DIFFERENT ROLE AND YOU TAKE A DIFFERENT ONE OFF BECAUSE WE TAKE THE ONE LEAST LIKELY WILL BE ABLE TO HIRE OR SOMETHING AND THEN LOOK AT IT AND THEN IN THE END WILL WE FIND THAT I'M JUST THINKING I THINK IT IS, THAT ROLE IS MORE LIKELY BE FILLED IN OTHERS AND I THINK STAFF NEED SOME HELP. GETTING A POSITION THAT COULD THEN BE A JACK OF ALL TRADES THAT CAN JUMP IN WHEREVER THE CURRENT HIGH-CAPACITY PROBLEM IS GOING IN THE CITY, THE THEY CAN DIRECT THE PERSON TO SAY DO THIS AND BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG WE ARE ENGAGED AND WANT TO LEARN AND WILL BE VERY MOTIVATED PERSON. IT'S LIKE WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR POSITION.

SOMETIMES PASSION WILL GET YOU A LOT FURTHER THAN JUST HAVING KNOWLEDGE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO AWAY IS THE MOST LIKELY TO GET FILLED.

[INAUDIBLE] TOTAL WITH BENEFITS.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. BRINGING SOMEONE IN.

AS PART OF PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.

YOU BRING SOMEONE AND THEY WILL STAY AND GROW.

>> THEY CAN FILL A FULL-TIME POSITION OR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> EXACTLY. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER HERE, AND WE HAVE MORE FINANCIAL STABILITY, IT'S GOING TO BE I'M HOPING, IT WILL BE EASIER TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME LIVE, WORK AND PLAY HERE IN HUTTO.

THAT'S JUST -- >> YOU MENTIONED EDC.

>> YES. >> WHAT'S?

>> I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE HIM IN AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO

THE POSITIONS. >> THAT WAS A HUGE DEBATE.

IT WAS -- >> I GOT A LITTLE BLINDSIDED

BY THAT. >> UNKNOWN ABOUT DROPPING THAT

BOMB TONIGHT. >> WE DID SAY BUDGET TIME.

WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE IS, SOME CITIES THE EDC PERSON WORKS FOR THE CITY. SOME CITIES WORK FOR EDC.

WE USED TO HAVE EMPLOYEES WORK FOR THE EDC AND WE HAD A CEO THAT KIND OF BLEW UP THE EDC, TO DO SOMETHING AND BROUGHT EVERYBODY BACK TO THE CITY. LONG STORY FOR LUNCH.

THE THOUGHT PROCESS HAD BEEN TO MOVE THEM BACK SO IT WAS PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY COUNSEL WAS FOR THAT AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK ME AND THE CITY MANAGER WERE NECESSARILY ON BOARD.

AND WANTED TO ADD TO THE BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HURT ALWAYS BEEN WE JUST WANT THE EDC PERSON TO DO THE EDC WORK AND BEFORE WE HAD A CITY MANAGER PERHAPS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT GOT INTO IT SO MUCH, THAT

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WE WEREN'T GETTING ECONOMIC -- IN THE CITY MANAGER WAS JUST -- I DON'T THINK IT'S ON YOU OR ANYTHING, IT'S A WHOLE CONVERSATION. WE SAID WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL NOW. PROBABLY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO VOTE ON AND FIGURE OUT. THEN ADJUST THE EDC BUDGET.

NOW THEY HAVE THE TALES HAD A CYCLE THAT THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS BUDGETED ON THE EDC SIDE. AS AN EXPENSE BUT A EXPENSE TO REIMBURSE THE CITY. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND ANYTHING THAT IS AGAINST WITH THE EDC BOARD DESIRES TO DO. MY ASK WOULD BE TO LET THINGS STAY STABLE THE WAY THEY ARE CURRENTLY.

GIVEN OPPORTUNITY FOR TIME TO PASS TO SEE HOW IT'S WORKING.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK WELL UNDER MY LEADERSHIP THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED YOU TO MOVE IT.

I CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE MAKING DEALS.

I BOUGHT EXPERIENCE MAKING DEALS I THINK OF THE TIME I BEEN HERE I'M NOT MICROMANAGING THINGS.

CERTAINLY, GIVING FEEDBACK AND SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEALS LOOK GOOD, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT INTERCONNECTIVITY WE ARE THINKING ABOUT ROADS AND HOW ALL THE THINGS WORK TOGETHER. I'M REALLY TRYING NOT TO MICROMANAGE ANYTHING IN THE CITY AT ALL.

MY ASK WOULD BE UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING I'M NOT AWARE OF, TO LET IT STAY, GIVE IT TIME TO SEE AND CAST JUDGMENT IF YOU

WANT TO MOVE IT AND MOVE IT. >> WE CAN VOTE ON THAT.

NEXT WEEK. >> YES.

MADE ME THINK OF THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY.

>> I HAD QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA.

I KNOW THAT ANGIE HAS BEEN PRESENTING SINCE JULY.

I PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALREADY IN MY MEETINGS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS ANGIE, HAD 15 OR SO QUESTIONS AND I WAS HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH COUNSEL OR WHOMEVER.

BUT I FEEL LIKE, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I THINK SHE'S PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED ALL OF MY MAJOR QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THE FTES THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

I THINK THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD UP TO WHAT HUTTO WANTS TO BE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE. -- THEY REALLY STRUGGLED FINDING A PURSE FOR BASEBALL AND I THINK THAT RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT FOR PROXY THINK THAT'S KIND OF, MAYBE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. I'M SORRY LET ME GO BACK.

>> THAT'S NOT A CITY FUNCTION. >> IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED. PARKS AND RECREATION, THEY HAVE PERSONNEL 250,000 AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES 50,000.

MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WERE USING PARKS AND REC AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT LABOR FOR RECREATION PROGRAMS SUCH AS BASKETBALL AND EMPIRES AND ETC. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ADD ABOUT 15 QUESTIONS IN A CONVERSATION BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE ALL OF THOSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DUPLICATE AND DO ALL OF IT OUT HERE ON CAMERA.

I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, I WILL DO A FACEBOOK POST.

>> VERY GOOD. I LOVE THAT.

>> OR YOU CAN EMAIL THE CITY MANAGER AND CAN DISTRIBUTE.

>> THERE WE GO! I WAS TRYING TO KEEP OUR FOCUS AT THE 10,000 FOOT VIEW AND REALLY DOING ALL THE HEAVY WORK, NOT NECESSARILY UP HERE SO WE HAVE MEETINGS THAT ARE PRODUCTIVE AND AND ALL OF US COME TO THE TABLE KNOWING AND HAVING OUR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ADDRESSED SO THE MEETINGS ARE NOT STRETCHED OUT FOR HOURS AND HOURS.

AND WE JUST 15 QUESTIONS. THAT'S KIND OF WHY WENT AHEAD AND DID ALL OF THE BACK WORK AND THE BUDGET AND I KNOW ANGIE ASKED US TO FIELD QUESTIONS. SHE'S VERY QUICK ON THE DRAW I THINK SHOULD ALL OF MY ANSWERS BY THE END OF THE DAY.

I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT. >> AND I DO THE SAME.

HAVE A COUPLE OF PAGES WITH. MINE WERE WHY DID THIS ONE

JUMPED SO MUCH AND YOU KNOW. >> LET ME GATHER MY THOUGHTS.

THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET CYCLE. I TALKED WITH THE MAYOR GETTING

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FURTHER DETAIL ON WHERE EXACTLY MONEY IS APPROPRIATED.

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND GENERAL CATEGORY.

EACH HAS KIND OF THROUGH FOUR GENERAL SUBCATEGORIES AND SO IT WOULD BE GREAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAIL WITH THOSE THINGS BUT I KNOW THAT WE MADE LEAPS AND BOUNDS IN THE LAST BUDGET TO HEAR AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER. A LOT OF HARD WORK IS PUT INTO THIS, A LOT OF NUMBERS AND QUESTIONS FROM US.

I APPRECIATE ANGIE AND STAFF THAT HELPS HER AND ASSIST HER AS WELL. AND THE OVERALL ON PAGE 17 OF THE PACKET, IS GOING BACK TO THE JULY REPORT AND IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE JULY NUMBERS.

WE STILL HAVE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER NUMBERS TO COME IN.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE ALL PASSED IT BUT JUST LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, IT SHOWS YOU THE CONSERVATIVE VIEW AND THE TAKE THAT ANGIE AND THE STAFF AND SUPPORT MEMBERS, THAT THEY TAKE ON WITH THE NUMBERS. I DON'T QUESTION -- I HAVE MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I SUBMITTED THEM ON THE DETAILS OF THINGS, WHICH ARE GOING TO GET BETTER AS YEARS MOVE ON.

BUT LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE PRESENTED MONTH AFTER MONTH, IT IS SHOWN THAT SHE USES A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT, WHICH DOES LEAD TO A SURPLUS FOR US WHICH IS ALWAYS, GOOD TO HAVE.

IT IS NOT THAT MONEY IS BEING SPENT WITHOUT CAUSE, IT IS DEFINITELY A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY STAFF INVOLVED WITH THIS AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS. AND MOVING FORWARD, MORE DETAIL WOULD BE GREAT AND MAKING PROGRESS.

AS A CITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

>> WE STILL NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE BUDGET TONIGHT.

>> ON THE ORDINANCE AND APPROVING THE BUDGET.

IF YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES OF WHAT'S SUBMITTED HAVE YOUR

MOTION. >> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.

WE DID THIS ONCE AND I VOTED AGAINST IT AND I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT I'M SAYING THIS BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A LOT AT YOU.

MAYBE WE TAKE A VOTE. IT IS A RISK ON MY PART THAT WE ACCEPT IT LIKE IT IS. WITH THE CHANGES THAT YOU KIND OF KNOW THERE WILL BE THINGS WE HAVE TO DEBATE THE NEXT MEETING. BUT THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE GIVEN HIM AND THEN, THAT WAY WE GET THE FIRST READING KNOWING THAT IF WE DON'T AGREE ON THE SECOND READING THEN I THINK IT GOES IS APPROVED. WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH AMENDMENTS AT THE SECOND ONE IF IT MAKES SENSE.

>> DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO OFFER UP INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS

TONIGHT ON SOME OF THE THINGS? >> SURE, WE CAN.

>> JUST SO WE HAVE LESS TO DO. >> I'M GOOD TO DO WHATEVER.

E CAN DO THAT OR HYBRID. >> I MOVED TO ACCEPT THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED WITH THE REQUESTED BUDGET CHANGES AS LISTED IN THE CITY MANAGERS MEMO.

>> SECOND. >> THEN WE CAN START AMENDING

IF -- >> JUST AS A SEQUENCE OF QUESTION. YOU ADD THESE NUMBERS, COME UP WITH AN AMOUNT. THEN NEXT WEEK WE WILL GET THE NEW -- BASED ON 25 MILLION, YOU'LL COME TO A NUMBER.

AND HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT AND ADOPT THE RATE IF WE HAVEN'T AMENDED OUT THINGS OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE ALMOST ADOPTING THE RATE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS GOING TO

BE BASED ON THE BUDGET. >> IS THE EIGHTH OR THE 15TH?

>> THE 15TH. BECAUSE TWO REGULAR MEETINGS.

>> WE CAN DISCUSS AT THE EIGHTH.

WE DID THAT I THINK A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO.

WE MADE IT AND IT WASN'T BINDER BECAUSE IT WASN'T REGULAR BUT

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THEN WE MADE IT AND STAFF BROUGHT IT BACK AND IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A CONTENT ITEM BECAUSE IT WAS WHAT WE ALREADY VOTED ON. WE CAN DO THAT.

>> BECAUSE THIS COULD CHANGE A PORTION.

WE SAID THE NEW INS TONIGHT WITH THE 25 MILLION VOTE.

THIS WILL CHANGE WHETHER WE ARE WITH CATCH-UP OR VA ARE OR BELOW. OR WHATEVER THAT M&O PIECE IS PEER TO RECORD THE CITY MANAGER.

EFFECTIVELY, WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS.

YOU KNOW ALREADY KNEW THERE WAS ,000 NONAPPROPRIATED, THE INTERMENT CITY MANAGER LEFT OF ME TO EFFECTIVELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. THAT COMPONENT AYS INTO THIS TALLY. THERE WE HAVE THE TWO ITEMS I HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT D THAT WE REDUCE FOR THE BUDGET AND THE ITEM THAT WAS ASKED TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET BY BY THE COUNCIL. WHAT THOSE DO, THOSE IN UPCOMING UP WITH A NET NUMBER. IT WILL BE A NET POSITIVE NUMBER MEANING THE BUDGET GOES UP.

IF THE COUNCIL ADOPTS NOT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO USE THAT TERM. IF YOUR DR. THE IMINO RATE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE E MORE EXPENDITURE WE WOULD HAVE VE TRUE REVENUE.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO REDUCE ANOTHER LINE ITEM ITHDRAW SOME FROM THE FUND BALANCE TO MAKE UP THE DELTA.

IF YOU LOWER THE RATE THIS POTENTIAL FOR THE OTHER CH SWAP -- THIS WOULD CHARGE AGAINST WHATEVER IS REMAINING WHEN I PROPOSED COUNSEL DO IS PURPOSELY MOVE THAT INTO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TODAY. KNOWING FULL WELL YOUR CIP WILL COME IN, YOUR ROAD LIST WILL COME IN AND YOU WILL WANT TO PROGRAM THE DOLLARS, YOU WANT TO ENGINEER THINGS AND WANT TO GET THINGS DONE. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE NOT EVEN A MONTH YET, TWO MORE DAYS AND IT WILL BE A MONTH.

THAT SAID, THE ONE THING, AND IT WAS THE PUBLIC -- SOME OF THE PUBLIC IS STILL HERE. IT'S LIKE THE PUBLIC! HAD BEEN HERE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHOM I'VE TALKED TO, WHETHER IT BE MAYOR SNYDER, MAYOR PRO TEM, COUNCILMEMBERS, PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, STAFF, IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THINGS TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. I HAVE NOT BUILT MY CAREER ON NOT GETTING THINGS DONE IS JUST THE OPPOSITE.

WITH THE $25 MILLION MOVING, POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL PROJECTS COMMAND, YOUR PROJECT LIST WILL NOT GET SHORTER, IT'S GOING TO GET LONGER AND THEIR INFINITELY MORE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE YET. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND LIBRARY AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE QUALITY OF LIFE PROPONENTS. THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE COMING.

I KNOW FULL AND WILL REGARDLESS OF WHAT BUDGET Y'ALL END UP WITH, THIS WILL BE COVERED. IF YOU ADOPT ANY M&O OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH THE NEW INS RATE THERE WILL BE MORE DOLLARS AND IN THE NEXT 3 TO 6 MONTHS, THIS COUNCIL HAVE A PLETHORA OF PROJECT LISTS THEY NEED TO GET IMPLEMENTED. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE STAFF WILL BE SPENDING HIS TIME FOCUSING ON FOR THE NEXT FIVE

YEARS EASILY. >> MOTION, BUDGET AS PRESENTED WITH ADDITIONS. MADE BY MAYOR PRO TEM AND SECONDED. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> WE CAN DO AN AMENDMENT NEXT TIME.

>> I JUST WANT TO DIGEST. >> I WILL DO AN AMENDMENT, TO COME TAKE OUT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MANAGER.

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[INAUDIBLE] THAT'S MY ONLY CHANGE TO THIS.

>> DO WE HAVE TO SECOND THE AMENDMENT?

>> YES. >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. MOTION AND SECOND.

WITH ONE CHANGE TAKING ON EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MANAGER.

WHICH YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT THE 13TH OF SURE.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? HARRY NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE TO THE AMENDMENT TO TAKE THAT POSITION OUT.

ANY OTHER CHANGES? THAT WE WANT TO KNOCK OUT TONIGHT OR WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK?

>> I PREFER TO WAIT. >> HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT ON THE AMENDED BUDGET AS PRESENTED.

[11.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.]

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, RE-APPOINTMENTS AND/OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY

COUNCIL LIAISONS, AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS.>> NOMINATING COMMITTEE DID NOT MEET WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO

PRESENT TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU STAFF FOR STAYING THIS LATE, I'M SORRY. NEXT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11.2.

[11.2. Consideration and possible action regarding acceptance of the Outside Agency Funding Committee recommendations (Kristi Barnes)]

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE OUTSIDE AGENCYFUNDING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS .

>> SORRY. KRISTI IS LIKE WHAT?

IS 90 1 O'CLOCK. >> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL AND

MAYOR. >> THIS FRIDAY.> HAPPY SEPTEMBER 2! THIS YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 2023, STAFF DID RECEIVE 10 ACID AGENCY FUNDING APPLICATIONS.

FROM NINE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.I DID WANT TO SAY THAT THIS YEAR WE DID BASED ON CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION KIND OF CHANGED THE PROCESS AND HOW WE NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC.

WE DID POST ON WEBSITE, WE DID MARKET IT A BIT MORE AND MADE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FROM ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY.

WE ALSO HOSTED A TECHNICAL WORKSHOP, ALSO WITH THE FINANCE STAFF FOR ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE NEEDED.

AND THEN, THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE, COUNCIL MEMBERS CLARK, KINSEY AND SUTTON MET TO DISCUSS THE ATTACHED

RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THIS.

HOW DID THE PROCESS WORK TO THE COUNCIL THINK IS THIS BETTER

THAN INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATIONS? >> I LIKE IT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE YOUR NOTES FROM YOUR COMMITTEE MEETING AND I THINK IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

>> A LITTLE HARD TO WEIGH IN BECAUSE I THINK LESTER STOPPED A GUN OF THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET. ADSHEET.

-- EVERYONE SUBMITTED PACKETS AND LIGHTING SO D ALL F THOSE HUNDREDS OF PAGES, PROBABLY MORE TIMELY TO DO IT THAT WAY AND IN A WAY, K IT'S NOT THAT EITHER PROJECTS ARE MORE OR S DESERVING, SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD NOT TO GET WRAPPED

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IN THE EMOTIONAL ASPECT OF THAT AND HAVING IT JUST IN BLACK AND WHITE PAPER FOR ME MADE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER I THINK KIND OF -- WE CANNOT FUND EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.

IT'S EASIER TO KIND OF WADE THROUGH ALL OF IT ONCE AND COMPARE. IT'S HARD TO DO THAT IF IT'S INDIVIDUALLY PRESENTATIONS. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE AND THE CITY HAS DONE IT THIS WAY SO I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY WELL. IT'S HARD TO COMPARE BECAUSE I WAS NOT ON STAFF LESTER AND IT WASN'T THERE THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN THEY DID THEIR PRESENTATIONS.

HARD FOR ME TO JUDGE REALLY. >> I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION. SO THAT WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.IKE THE QUESTIONS WE WERE HAVING TO DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES, WE COULD HAVE ASKED THE ACTUAL APPLICANT AND THEY WOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM IF WE WERE OR WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THEM. AND THAT IS THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT I WOULD SAY IS TO STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT PRESENTATION. AND ASK QUESTIONS.

>> REALLY THING WITH THAT IS THAT I FEEL IF WE ASK QUESTIONS AND SAY THIS IS WHERE CANNOT FUND YOU IT MAY OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR CAN I AMEND MY APPLICATION? CAN I GO FIX THAT REALLY QUICK? AND IF WE ALLOW FOR ONE WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR ALL. IT MIGHT MAKE A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

THAT'S MY CONCERNED. >> LET'S REVISIT THE PROCESS AGAIN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGES IN JANUARY AND IF WE DO, I THINK WE ARE WAITING TILL THE VERY END TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONCEIVABLY DO THIS NEXT YEAR IN APRIL. AS FOR THE AMOUNT, WHO REVIEWED THESE? COUNSEL DID?

>> YES, -- MYSELF -- >> WE WERE THE NOMINATING

COMMITTEE. >> THE EVEN NUMBERS.

>> THAT WILL SWITCH IN JANUARY.

>> AND THEN THE ODD NUMBERS DID OUTSIDE AGENCY.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING THROUGH IT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WE DID NOT USE IT ALL UP AT ONCE.

BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN COME UP. TO ME IT SEEMS VERY APPROPRIATE TO CONSERVATIVELY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS NOW, WHERE YOU HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE LATER WHERE YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AND WE ARE TAPPED OUT. THE ONLY ONE I'VE EVER STRUGGLED WITH AND I DO EVERY YEAR, AND I DON'T MIND SAYING IT EVEN THOUGH I CATCH FLACK. I VOS THOUGHT THAT HUTTO SHOULD PROVIDE THINGS FOR WELLNESS, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELLNESS TYPE THINGS. I SEE THINGS IN TERMS OF FEEDING PEOPLE, MENTAL HEALTH, SENIOR SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ONE I'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED IS THAT HUTTO EDUCATION FOUNDATION.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK IS NOT OUR SANDBOX TO PLAY IN.

IT IS AN EDUCATION WHEN IT HELPS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.

THEREFORE TIMES OUR SIZE. QUITE HONESTLY, THE GROUP HAS OVER $1 MILLION ENDOWMENT. I DON'T MIND SOME GOING THERE BECAUSE I KNOW IT HELPS BUT, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOESN'T GIVE US MONEY.

FOR THINGS THAT WE ARE HAVING OUR WHEELHOUSE IS KIND OF LOOK ON HER OWN. AND SO, I WOULD RATHER SEE LESS MONEY, LESS MONEY GIVEN OUT FOR FUTURE THINGS THAT COME UP.

OR LIKE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE 5000 THEY WERE PRETTY GOOD BREAKFAST THEY HAVE AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE HUTTO LUTHERAN CHURCH. JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE CAN ALSO TAKE THE UNALLOCATED MONEY, AND WE CAN USE IT ON A NONPROFIT. SOME SORT OF THING AND HUDDLE.

-- >> THAT WAS HOW MUCH THEY REQUESTED THIS IS HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO GIVE OUT.

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. >> I GOTCHA.

>> WE ASSUMED THERE WAS ONLY 145.

IF WE DUMPED A LITTLE MORE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE.

>> OKAY REQUESTED 145. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MONEY COME FROM THE HUTTO EDUCATION FOUNDATION BACK TO -- THE AMERICAN LEGION BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THINGS THERE HELPING VETERANS. AND AGAIN, NOT TAKING FROM THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION, JUST NOT OUR WHEELHOUSE.

>> WE LIKE THE AMERICAN LEGION THING.

WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD SUCCESSFULLY GO THROUGH BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.

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WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WAS BUY LIKE A BOX TRUCK WHICH THEY WEREN'T ABLE AT THAT PRICE. THEY HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY UP FRONT AND THEN RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENT.

IT WAS WAY ABOVE THEIR ANNUAL DONATIONS COMING IN SO WE FIGURED THEY WOULD FAIL ON THAT AND IT WOULDN'T WORK.

THAT WAS IN THE COMMENTS. THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. AND THEN WITH FEEDING 5000, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A ANCILLARY RUN THROUGH THE HUTTO RESOURCE CENTER. HIS MALIK WRIST SPLITTING BETWEEN HRC -- [INAUDIBLE] THEY ARE BUT THEY GET, WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD THE FOOD AND STUFF COMES FROM THE HUTTO RESOURCE CENTER. THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS ON THE OTHER BECAUSE THEY STILL GET THE LION SHARE OF THE

FUNDING. >> THAT MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF LADIES THAT RUN THAT FEEDING THE 5000.

-- AGAIN, IF THEY CANNOT GET THE PROBLEM WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION IS, THEY DON'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET THERE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN -- MAYBE ONCE YOU READ THE REST OF THE MONEY, OTHERWISE THEY WILL NEVER GET THE MONEY BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THEY WILL JUST SAY THEY WANT $50,000 AND WE WILL SAY THAT'S CRAZY WE ARE GIVING YOU 50 GRAND.

>> THEY ARE SAYING THAT A STORAGE PLACE BUT NEEDED TRUCK TO GET STUFF. THEN FOR EXAMPLE IF THEY RENT A STORAGE PLACE AND A COUPLE PLACES IN HUTTO, YOU HAVE FREE USE OF THE TRUCK. THAT'S A BENEFIT OF RENTING.

SO THEY CAN RENT A STORAGE PLACE AND USE A FREE TRUCK TO BRING THE STUFF OVER. AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILL IT BACK UP WITH GAS WHICH WOULD HAVE TO DO EITHER.

WE ARE TRYING TO SAY THERE OTHER WAYS THEY COULD DO WITHOUT HAVING TO BUY A TRUCK BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT SO WE KIND OF ASKED TO REPEAT THAT BACK TO THEM OF THEIR COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HELP EVERYTHING.HAT WAS A BIG DECISION FOR ALL OF US.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU BY TRUCK WHEN YOU ARE GIVING MONEY IN INSTALLMENTS. HIS MALIK THEY'RE GETTING IT ALL UP FRONT. SOMETHING THAT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY MANAGER, IF YOU KNOW, ONCE WE ADOPT THE RATE AND THE BUDGET, THERE MAY BE MORE MONEY THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE.

AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO IT.

MAYBE DO AN EARLY APPLICATION PROCESS OR BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP THEM. BUT WE ARE KIND OF LIMITED ON HOW WE CAN BASED ON THE APPLICATION.

I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST SO TIRED RIGHT NOW.

MY BRAIN IS MUSH. BUT I THINK WE ALL FEEL THAT

WAY. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. IS THE 145,000 THAT THIS GROUP WAS LOOKING TOWARD, WAS IT BASED OFF OF THE CURRENT YEARS BUDGET? FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR BUDGET?

>> SAID THAT IT WAS ALWAYS THE UPCOMING BUDGET.

>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. >> THERE IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT WITH SUPPORTS IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY THINGS.

THAT'S WHY BIG CHUNK OF THAT MONEY IS ALREADY PLEDGED.

>> THE ANIMAL SHELTER -- >> THAT 145 WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT OFF OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

>> THE ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND. >> CORRECT.

IF COUNSEL ADOPTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, THE M&O GOES UP THERE IS A BUDGET TOTAL COLLECTION BECAUSE IS THE TOTAL BUDGET. IF THAT GOES UP, THEN THAT MEANS THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL DOLLARS LEFT UNPROGRAMMED. AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE ANOTHER SLICE OF THE PIE SO TO SPEAK. YOU CAN OPEN UP ANOTHER APPLICATION PERIOD, HE CAN ABOUT THE ONES THAT DIDN'T GET FUNDED. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW I WOULD ASSUME, WHAT THE ORDINANCE --

>> I MEAN, I LOVE TO SEE AMERICAN LEGION COME BACK.

SOME LIKE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF ONE BIG BLACK DUFFEL BAG WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A CARE PACKAGE ESSENTIALLY WITH GOODS.

IT'S KIND OF THEIR ONE BIG EVENT FOR THE YEAR AND THEY HAD SUBMITTED SEVERAL TRUCK PROPOSALS AND THEY RANGE EVERYWHERE FROM 14 TO 25,000. I THINK THAT WAS MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT THEIR BALANCE SHE WAS SHOWING.

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AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW THE RECEIPT THAT IS PAID AND REIMBURSE IT. BUT WE ONLY DO IT QUARTERLY SO THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO PHYSICALLY BUY THE TRUCK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THE RECEIPT.

AND THEN WE CAN ONLY REIMBURSE AND QUARTERS SO I DO HOPE THE AMERICAN LEGION IS LISTENING. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH.

CAN WE DO THAT AND THIS AND IT KIND OF OPEN UP THE WHOLE THING. CAN WE AMEND THE APPLICATION AND IT JUST KIND OF HOW THAT ALL WENT DOWN.

I WOULD LOVE TO REVISIT THAT AND MAYBE HAVE, SEE IF THEY CAN SOMEHOW, REAPPLY. ESPECIALLY SINCE IT TENDS TO BE JUST ONE BIGGER EVENT. KIND OF RENTING A TRUCK OR LEASING, IT JUST MAKES SENSE AND COST EFFICIENCY AND MAINTENANCE OF THE VEHICLE AND STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S THE MAIN REASON IT WAS NOT FUNDED.

BUT NOT FOR LACK OF WANT. THEN AS FAR AS THE CURRENT LEASE MYSELF, I SPENT FEET TO THE OTHERS ON THERE.

I KIND OF LOOKED AT HOW MUCH ARE THEY OUT IN THE COMMUNITY? HOW MUCH ARE THEY TRYING TO DO FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE I HAVE COURSE, I DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE A HANDOUT AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR IT. WE ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET FUNDS TO BUILD A PROGRAM AND EXPAND.

AND I'M MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HELP SOMEBODY THAT IS REALLY TRYING AND PUTTING FORTH EFFORT.

AND SO, FOR ME, I DIDN'T FEEL I SAW AS MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH THE FEEDING THE 5000 AND HUTTO RESOURCE CENTER AND THEY ARE ALREADY SOMEWHAT INTERCONNECTED.

THAT'S WHY FOR ME, THE HRC IS MUCH MORE OUTWARD IN THE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND MUCH MORE WIDESPREAD IN THEIR EFFORT.

THAT'S WHY FOR ME, THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN FUNDING.

AT LEAST FROM MY PERSONAL LENS. >> LOOKING AT THIS I THINK, I LIKE TO SEE AMERICAN LEGION HOPEFULLY COME BACK WITH SOME MORE MANAGEABLE SIZED PROJECTS NEXT YEAR THAT CAN HELP THEM BUILD UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN TAKE.

I THINK I WILL PROPOSE WE ADOPT THIS AS IS.

WITH A CONDITION THAT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD JUST GO RIGHT INTO FULLY FUNDING THE FEEDING THE 5000.

WOULD YOU BE UP TO $10,000 AND I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN 155. I DON'T THINK THE BUDGET DIFFERENCE WILL BE THAT MUCH. I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY COVER ALMOST EVERY CASE POSSIBLE FROM HERE ON.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING IS RECOMMENDED WITH THE ADDITION THAT ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING AVAILABLE ABOVE 145,000 GO INTO UP TO AN ADDITIONAL $10,000.

>> SECOND. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT IF THERE IS MORE THAN WE HAVE ACCESS TO?

>> THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME.

>> OKAY. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH CHANCE OF THAT. 145 TO 155, I DON'T THINK IT'S

GOING TO -- >> WE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AT LEAST.

>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LETTING SOMEBODY REAPPLY THIS YEAR. [INAUDIBLE]

>> WE ARE MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED.

ANYTHING OVER 145,000 GOES TO FEEDING THE 5000 UP TO 10,000.

ANY QUESTION ON THE MOTION? MOTION AND SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. LAST ITEM ON THE REGULAR

[11.4. Consideration and possible action to authorize the creation of an online message board for use by the City Council, in accordance with Texas Open Meetings Act, Section 551.006 or another form of City of Hutto message communication. (Legal)]

AGENDA, 11.4, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CREATION OF AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD FOR USE BY THE CITY COUNCIL, IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, SECTION 551.006 OR ANOTHER FORM OF CITY OF HUTTO MESSAGE COMMUNICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION MODELED AFTER THE CITY OF AUSTIN. TO HAVE AN ONLINE MESSAGE

BOARD. >> I WILL SECOND THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THERE IS AN ASPECT OF IT THAT SAID ANY MEMBER OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY CAN AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PARTICIPATE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SHOULD

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BE GOING TO A STAFF MEMBER AND SAYING, I WANT YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BOARD. I THINK IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE

DIRECTED TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> WE WANT INPUT FROM STAFF WE HAVE TO SAY WE WANT INPUT FROM STAFF.

AND IT IS AT YOUR DISCRETION TO PROVIDE.

IT IS NOT FOR US TO GO TALK TO ASHLEY OR ANDREW OR WHOEVER.

AND PUT THEM UNDER PRESSURE THAT WE ASK THEM FOR SOMETHING.

>> AUSTIN HAS IT IN THERE BECAUSE IF COUNSEL MEMBER

ASSISTANCE. >> DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD JUST

REMOVE IT COMPLETELY THEN? >> LET ME GET WITH THE CITY