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ALL RIGHT.[Planning and Zoning]
UM, OKAY.I HAVE 7 0 2, SO IT IS SEVEN OH TWO.
UH, I WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022 TO ORDER FIRST IS ROLL CALL AND WE HAVE, OH, LET'S SEE.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER LEE HERE, COMMISSIONER BOYER, COMMISSIONER MEYER HERE AND MYSELF COMMISSIONER HUDSON.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE MISSING COMMISSIONER SHORT FAGER, COMMISSIONER HUTCHINGS AND COMMISSIONER, LAWYER MAKING NOTES.
AND NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL? YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO JUST, UM, FOR THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT EARLIER.
IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I'VE GOT YOUR CONTACT INFO, SO WE'LL COVER IT.
UH, I'M WITH NEXT LINE COMMUNICATIONS.
WE ARE A BROADBAND COMPANY LOCATED IN TEXAS, TEXAS.
UM, WE ARE MAKING OUR WAY DOWN TO THIS NECK OF THE WOODS, UM, OR SEVERAL OTHER STATES AS WELL, BUT PRIMARILY GOT STARTED UP THERE IN THE NORTH CENTRAL PART OF TEXAS.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE VIBRATING OUT SMALLER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE AUSTIN LOOP.
UM, ONE OF THEM TAYLOR GEORGETOWN, WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS, UM, BUILDING OUT THEIR PROJECTS, LARGER SUBDIVISIONS IN USE, BUT I WANT TO COME AND INTRODUCE MYSELF.
SO WE A NAME WE CROSS PATHS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT ALSO, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE THAT YOU'RE IN NEED OF A BETTER BROADBAND PROVIDER OF ANY THAT YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE HERE.
UM, THAT INCLUDES COOPERATIVES BECAUSE, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOW BRINGING A FIBER OPTION WITH THEIR ELECTRIC.
UM, AND THEN TO GIVE YOU SOME, I GUESS, PERSPECTIVE ON KIND OF SOME UNIQUE DIFFERENCES WITH US VERSUS LIKE SOME OF THE LARGER PROVIDERS SUCH AS 18 T OR SPECTRUM.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TEXAS BASED LOCAL, IF AN END-USER, WHETHER THAT BE COMMERCIAL OR A HOMEOWNER CALLS IN AND THEY NEED THIS SERVICE OR CALL CENTER, THEY CALL INTO OUR HEADS AND HANDS OFFICE.
AND I TALKED TO HER FIRSTHAND HERE IN TEXAS, AND WE HAVE OUR SATELLITE CREWS, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY LIVE IN THE VARIOUS TOWNS THAT WE HAVE MAJOR PROVIDERS IN.
UM, THE CLOSEST ONE TO HERE WILL BE SILEO.
SO IT'S NOT THAT FAR, UM, TO GET SERVICE WITHIN 24 HOURS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE ARE TEXAS BASED AND OUR OWNER BILL IS THE CEO.
HE IS THERE IN THE OFFICE EVERY DAY.
UM, WE ARE LARGELY GETTING INVOLVED IN THE FULL SCHOOLS, UM, VIBURNUM SCHOOL.
AND THEN WITHIN THOSE, UM, SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UH, TO BRING THEM BETTER SERVICE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE RURAL, UH, WIRELESS, WHICH IS WHERE THEY GOT THEIR FOOTPRINT.
UM, SO OUR TOWER NETWORK IS VERY, VERY ROBUST.
IF YOU HAVE A VERY RURAL AREA, KIND OF LIKE THE EAST SIDE OF ODOT, UM, WE CAN PITCH THEM OUR WHOLE, IT LOOKS LIKE A TELEPHONE POLE, UM, AND STILL BRING FIBER TO THAT AREA.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT HERE CONSIDERING PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE FROM A DARK FIBER STANDPOINT, BUT KEEP IN MIND.
SO ANYWAYS, UM, I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE MYSELF AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE INTERACTING A LOT MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, UM, OR IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO SEEK, COME TO THE CITY, WE ARE ALREADY COMING, UM, WE'RE ART OFF AND CAF FUNDED.
SO, UM, WE'RE BRINGING A LOT OF THOSE RESOURCES TO RURAL COMMUNITIES.
UM, ASHLEY HAS MY EMAIL AND MY CONTACT AT THOSE
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THAT HAVE EUGENIE PLAY THREE JOBS, AND I CAN PASS THAT AROUND TO, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS IF YOU'D LIKE, OR AT LEAST I'LL INCLUDE IT IN THE MINUTES FOR THE MINUTES.AND ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEMS, ITEM 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 2ND, 2022.
COULDN'T GET IT TO ANGIE BECAUSE SHE'S ON VACATION.
UM, ON 4.6 IN THE MINUTES, YOU'VE GOT MOTION PASSED EYES TO ZERO.
NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO TO ZERO.
AND IT WAS FOUR, CORRECT? YES.
UM, AND IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN BRING THAT FORWARD OR I CAN CALL YOU WHEN IT'S READY TO SIGN AN UPDATED BLOOD, RATHER BRING IT BACK TO P AND Z AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO YEAH, IT'S GOT TO GET TO FOUR NAYS.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, ON THE, UH, MINUTES? ALL RIGHT.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE CITY OF PARDOT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO THIS YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET, IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UM, I CAN BRING THE PACKET UP IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER EACH INDIVIDUAL.
I DID NOT PUT IT IN HERE JUST BECAUSE ONCE WE SHRINK IT DOWN TO THE SIZE, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.
UM, BUT REALLY BACKING UP THE CHARTER REQUIRES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
SINCE WE HAVE NOT CONSISTENTLY HAD A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
I THINK THIS IS LIKELY RICK, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ONE BEFORE AND YEARS PASSED BY.
NO, IT HASN'T BEEN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS CLEARLY WITH COVID AND SOME OTHER THINGS, UM, CERTAIN THINGS GOT PUSHED ASIDE, BUT WITH THIS ONE, IT ACTUALLY IS A MORE ROBUST, IT'S NOT JUST A LIST.
WE HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS LISTED OUT.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY CHANGES TO THE PRIORITIZATION, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AND THIS RECOMMENDATION WILL STILL GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
BUT AS PART OF THE CHARTER, WE HAVE TO BRING THIS TO YOU.
WELL, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, COMMENTS, IF YOU WILL, ON, UH, SOME OF THESE, AND I GUESS I'LL JUST GET STARTED, UM, T NINE, THAT IS THE FOURTH ONE.
UM, LIVE OAK PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION, ONLY $1 MILLION THROUGH 20, 27.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, UH, NOT THIS PAST COUNCIL LAST WEEK, BUT THE ONE PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD BEEN DISCUSSED AT THROWING A NUMBER AROUND SOMEWHERE AROUND 4 MILLION.
I WILL HAVE ANGIE CLARIFY THAT WHEN IT GOES TO, UM, COUNSEL CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
I DO REMEMBER A HIGHER NUMBER.
ARE THESE COSTS OPCS? ARE THEY JUST, I DO NOT.
I THINK, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST THE PROBABLE AT THIS POINT.
SO YEAH, SOME OF THEM, THOSE FIRST FOUR, WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER NUMBER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE DESIGN AND WE'RE ABOUT TO LET, UM, BUT ON THE REST OF THEM, I THINK WE'RE DOING MORE OF LIKE, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IT SHOULD BE, BUT CERTAINLY I WILL CHECK ON T NINE FOR THE LIBO.
CAUSE I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN ONE.
IT WAS 4 MILLION, BUT, UH, NEXT IS A T4, UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BRIDGE OVER BRUSHY CREEK, CORRECT? IT DOES NOT.
AT THAT POINT, IT SHOULD NO LONGER BE CITY LIMITS.
UM, OUR ETJ KIND OF STOPS RIGHT AT THE BRIDGE.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY TECH STOCK, BUT I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME CONVERSATION BECAUSE, UM, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS ENDING AT 1 37 THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME UPDATES, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THAT BRIDGE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MATCH LINE IS.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT I THINK ON SOME OF THE MAPS, THERE WAS, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MATCH LINE.
UM, BUT WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU IF IT'S NOT, SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE PACKET.
SO ON THE SAME T4, I JUST, THIS IS PROBABLY EASIER
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THAN SAYING NUMBERS.UM, FOR, FOR THE AMOUNT, IS THIS GOING TO ADDRESS THE FULL DRAINAGE ISSUES? ADD THE ACTUAL CENTER TURN LANE THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, ET CETERA.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, IT'S GOING TO BE THE FULL RECONSTRUCTION, BUT THEN ALSO USING SOME OF THE TIF FUNDS FOR WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT WE HAD GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS BETWEEN 1660 AND 1 37.
SO THERE'LL BE THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN 1 37, UM, IT IS QUITE BUMPY AND AFTER THE SNOW AND THE ICE, AND SO IT ONLY GOT WORSE, IT WAS ALREADY IN A LITTLE BIT OF FOR REPAIR.
SO WE WILL BE MAKING ALL THOSE CHANGES.
BUT YES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WOULD ADD THE SIDEWALKS, THE DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE PAYING INTO AND WE WOULD GET MORE CONNECTIVITY IN THE DRAINAGE.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, I'M ASSUMING THAT'LL AFFECT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AS WELL? HAS THERE BEEN ANY MENTIONED AT SOME POINT WITH GROWTH OF ACTUALLY HAVING SOME KIND OF SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? THERE MAY HAVE TO BE, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT ANY TIME RECENTLY.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH UP DRIVEWAYS.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP JUST BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A CROSSING GUARD AT THAT ENTRY.
AND THEN ALSO AT 1660, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY JUST, WE'RE STUCK ON WARRANTS.
UM, IF MEMORY SERVES THE COST ON THIS, IT'S PROJECTED AT 31 MILLION IN 2019 OR 2020, IS THIS 50% INCREASE IN COST ACCURATE.
SO IT COSTS US AN EXTRA $15 MILLION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN FOUR YEARS.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING MOST OF THE TIME, THE CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL OF THE PRICES I KNOW FOR SOME OF THE COUNTY PROJECTS, THEY'VE GONE UP $20 MILLION.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN, JUST SOURCING THE MATERIALS AND ALSO WHEN YOU'RE IN A BOOM, JUST, I MEAN, AS YOU'VE SEEN, I THINK WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND TRYING TO ALLOW, UM, CONCRETE POURS TO HAPPEN AT ALL TIMES OF NIGHT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SCHEDULING ISSUES THAT IF YOU'RE ONLY POURING BETWEEN SEVEN AND SEVEN, YOU CAN'T FIT IT.
EVERYTHING YOU CAN'T FIT EVERYTHING IN.
SO A LOT OF THIS REALLY IS JUST THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST MAKING SURE THAT OUR DESIGNS ARE ON POINT.
I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE MEGA SITE.
OBVIOUSLY THE PRIVILEGES ANNOUNCEMENT IS HUGE, BUT THAT'S ALSO RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, SO, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO ON T SIX, UM, I KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS SHOWING OUT THAT, BUT THAT IS THE TOTAL COST FOR A FIVE LANE BRIDGE WITH THE COMPANY RAMPS AND ALL OF THAT.
AT ONE POINT IT WAS DISCUSSED AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION CITY COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK CITY STAFF AS WELL ABOUT POTENTIALLY PARSING THAT OUT AND PUSHING A POTENTIAL TWO LANE BRIDGE OR THREE LANE BRIDGE FOR NOW EARLIER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THE FIRST ONE IS NOT, WHAT WAS IT? 20, 26, I BELIEVE.
I LOST COUNT OF WHERE THAT WAS 20.
SO FIRST BUILD UP POTENTIALLY 20, 25 FOR 8 MILLION.
MOST LIKELY 2026 FOR THE 17 MILLION WILL BE WHEN THE ACTUAL BRIDGE IS BUILT.
UM, ONE THIS, IN MY OPINION, THIS NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED SOONER BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE NO WAY TO CROSS THE TRACKS UNLESS WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UM, FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH IS ONLY ONE, ONE DIRECTION.
SO IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED MUCH HIGHER, BUT ALSO WOULD THERE BE ANY ISSUE WITH TRYING TO ACTUALLY, LIKE I SAID, JUST PUT A SINGLE BRIDGE FOR NOW, POTENTIALLY EVEN THREE LANE BRIDGE, GET RID OF ALL THE NICE LANDSCAPING THAT WAS ADDING LIKE 4 MILLION EXTRA DOLLARS TO IT BEFORE JUST PUT A FUNCTIONAL BRIDGE IN.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, UM, WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT AN ACCOMPANYING BRIDGES NEEDED.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS TO MOVE THAT UP.
AND THEN CERTAINLY IF COUNCIL DECIDES THEN TO VALUE ENGINEER OR HOPEFULLY WHAT WE WOULD GET AS A VERY PRETTY BRIDGE, BUT MAYBE, UM, LESS LANDSCAPING, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I THINK YOU'D STILL WANT TO PUT IN THE IRRIGATION AND THE REST OF IT.
SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO BRING THAT BACK LATER.
UM, MAYBE JUST NOT HAVE IT LIVE OR ACTIVE, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE FINALIZATIONS IN THAT PLAN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD AT LEAST THE BASE STRUCTURES FOR THE BRIDGE AS WIDE AS THEY WERE REQUIRED FOR THE ULTIMATE BUILD-OUT AND THEN ONLY PUT IN THE LANES THAT WERE NEEDED.
UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S BEEN A HUGE CONVERSATION ON STAFF AS WELL, BUT YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE MOTION TO COUNCIL TO MOVE T SIX UP TO A HIGHER PRIORITY.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT PROLOGIS AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMPANIES ALL AROUND THE INTERSECTION, AND FORTUNATELY WE HAD ANOTHER DEADLY ACCIDENT THERE IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO WE JUST HAD A FATAL ACCIDENT WHAT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
AND I THINK ALSO POTENTIALLY IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, LIKE WE SAID, PUSH THE COST UP SOONER, POTENTIALLY EVEN 20, 24
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TO START THE ACTUAL BELT BECAUSE THE DESIGN IN REALITY, THE DESIGN HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE MULTIPLE TIMES.I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT OVER $3 MILLION JUST ON DESIGN WORK FOR THIS.
AND SO IT SHOULD BE FULLY DESIGNED AT THIS POINT.
SO WE CAN DO, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TWEAKS.
TWEAKS OF COURSE, WHICH DON'T TAKE MUCH, SOMEBODY COULD EASILY START GETTING BID THE BIDS OUT AND CONSTRUCTION STARTS SOONER.
SO IN MY VIEW, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PUSHED TO A PRIORITY ONE AND POTENTIALLY ALSO PUSH A SECTION OF IT SOONER.
DEFINITELY KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TOP FOUR HAVE TO BE THE TOP FOUR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE BOND SITUATION, BUT THOSE COULD BE LEVEL.
YEAH, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE TO MOVE
SORRY, NOT BOND FUNDS, BUT NUMBER FIVE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON T 13? THAT WAS T 6 0 2 6.
AND THAT IS FROM S UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IS FROM 1660 SOUTH TO 1 32.
SO THAT IS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF 1 99 OR NOT.
IT SHOULD BE IT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S IN DISREPAIR RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IS IT WAS MORE OF A MILL AND OVERLAY PROJECT THAN ANYTHING.
SO KIND OF SIMILAR TO THAT FIRST PHASE OF 1 37, GET IT FIXED, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE ON IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FURTHER ENGINEER THE ENTIRE AREA.
CAUSE I THINK AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, 1 99 INTO TWO 90 DEGREE TURNS IS A LOT OF FUN.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN OVER THERE, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DRIFT AN ALL WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE THROUGH THOSE CURVES.
I'M NOT SURPRISED BY THIS ADMISSION.
SO, SO ON THE, SO ON THAT SAME 1, 1 99, UM, THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT THAT IS TIED TO THIS SHOW THAT EVENTUALLY WILL BE A COLLECTOR WITH THREE LANES, UM, WITH THE COST OF 1.7 MILLION.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY ALLOCATING 2 46, UM, WITH NOTHING ADDITIONAL ALL THE WAY THROUGH FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS OR SO.
SO IS THERE NO PLAN AT ALL TO WORK ON WIDENING THAT WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT GROWTH IN THE NEXT SIX YEARS THERE LIKELY WILL BE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE DEVELOPER.
AND SO THEY WOULD BE ACTUALLY IMPROVING AND UPGRADING THAT ROADWAY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE CITY TO DO IT.
UM, I'M SURE MOST OF US HAVE HEARD COUNSEL SAY IT VERY FREQUENTLY AND OFTEN AND LOUD THAT DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
AND SO AS WE HAVE THOSE USERS COMING IN ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT THEY WILL HAVE GIVE UP RIGHT AWAY AND POTENTIALLY UPGRADE, OR THOSE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE COULD PAY FOR.
AND BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE URBANO PROJECT.
MOST OF YOUR, I BELIEVE WE'RE STILL ON OUR, WE'RE ACTUALLY ON P AND Z WHEN THAT GOT APPROVED.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT ONE THAT'LL BE COMING FORWARD.
AND THEN THE ADJACENT TEITELMAN TRACT, UM, THAT THEN IS JUST WEST OF THE 1 32 CROSSING.
AND SO THAT WHOLE AREA, IS IT GOING TO BE UP FOR DEVELOPMENT? SO I THINK WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE THE AREA CHANGE AS A WHOLE, JUST NOT ON THE CITY'S CIP BUDGET.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT THOUGH, IT'LL BE PART OF THE IMPACT FEE.
SO THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T BE FORCED TO DIRECTLY WIDEN THE ROADS THEMSELVES.
THEY'LL JUST BE FORCED BASED ON TRAFFIC GENERATION TO PAY THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE WOULD THEN USE TO BUILD IT OUT.
SO WHAT YOU'VE MAY HAVE SEEN RECENTLY, I BELIEVE WITH DURANGO'S THEY ACTUALLY CAME BACK IN WITH A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE CREDIT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE WORK IT'S SOMETHING SOMEWHERE THAT WE SHOULD BE SEEING ON THE LANDING.
IT'S JUST WHICH ONE THEY CHOOSE.
AND IT MIGHT BE THAT JUST MOVING ONCE AND GETTING ALL OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES AND GETTING A DESIGNED TOGETHER IS THE BEST.
OR IT MAY JUST BE THAT EACH DEVELOPER'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL TAKE CARE OF MY LANE EXPANSION AND MY SIDEWALKS.
AND THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED AT THIS TIME.
BUT WHEN WE SEE THIS NEXT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE.
AND YOU CAN EVEN SEE ON SOME OF THESE LIKE, UM, FIRMED UP T FIVE THAT'S ON THERE JUST BETWEEN 1 37 AND THEN THE 1 32 OVERPASS, UM, DIG DUG WAS ACTUALLY, UM, RE LET'S SEE, DIG DUG CONTRACT WAS ACCEPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE TWO MEETINGS AGO.
AND SO THE LAKESIDE SIDEWALK, SORORITY CURTAIN.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON HERE THAT STAFF IS ALREADY PRACTICALLY WORKING ON, OBVIOUSLY LIKE SIDE, I THINK THAT HAS A 10 TO 12 YEAR HISTORY BEHIND IT.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT DIG DOUG GOT THE CONTRACT FOR THAT.
SO THERE ARE THINGS ON HERE THAT YOU'LL SEE DIRT MOVING VERY SOON ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE MILL AND OVERLAY AND SOME OF THE OTHER SMALLER THINGS THAT WE CAN KNOCK OFF THE LIST.
UM, AS PART OF THE 1 99, SINCE IT'S CONNECTED TO FRONT STREET, I KNOW WE HAVE THE WEIRD SETUP RIGHT NOW WHERE CITI HAS A PORTION AND THEN IN FRONT OF JRS
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IS THE COUNTY AND THEN BACK TO THE CITY.SO THE CITY PORTION OF FRENCH STREET, IS THERE ANY ACTUAL PLAN? CAUSE IN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY, THERE WAS 1.1, 5 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR THAT.
IS THERE ANY PLAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT IT WILL BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY FIX THAT ROAD? OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL URBANA COMES IN TO RECONFIGURE THE INTERSECTION OR WAIT UNTIL THE ACTUAL BUSINESSES COME IN? I THINK FOR SOME OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING US.
I KNOW WITH HOW NOW WE HAVE A, AN AMAZING NEW CITY MANAGER WHO DOES THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND MORE PROACTIVELY.
AND FORWARD-THINKING, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT EVEN ON A SMALL AREA THAT MAY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THOUGHT TO STILL BE IN THE COUNTY, THAT'S ALL BEEN ANNEXED.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CITY OF HIGH-DOSE ROADWAY AT THIS POINT.
AND WITH THE STATE LAW CHANGES, WHEN YOU ANNEX, YOU'RE NOT ANNEXED INTO THE HALFWAY THROUGH ANNEX IN THE FULL WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE A STREET, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING, BUT THIS ONE LITTLE BIT, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING SOME OF THOSE BEST PRACTICES ROLLOUT, UM, FROM STAFF SINCE NOW WE HAVE SUPPORT TO DO A LOT MORE OF THAT.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WHOLE IT'S A WHOLE SEGMENT RIGHT NOW, 1 99 DIFFERENT STREET AND 1 99 DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE MILLED AND OVERLAID.
BUT FRENCH STREET IS ACTUALLY THE WORST OF THE TWO AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THE CITY STAFF PUBLIC WORKS, KEEPS GOING OUT THERE AND FILLING POTHOLES PROBABLY EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING TO FIX THAT AS WELL AS THE BRIDGE, UM, WITH THE CROSSWALK THAT IS ACTUALLY FLOODING WHENEVER WE HAVE LARGE RAINS.
AND SO THE, THE UNDERPASS, THE PEDESTRIAN PORTION, SO THAT'S BUILT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO IT'S MEANT TO UNFORTUNATELY, FLOOD, WHICH SOUNDS AWFUL WHEN I SEE THEM, I'M LIKE, WELL, IT'S BEEN THE FLOOD, BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, ABSOLUTELY.
I KNEW THAT THEY'D BEEN LOOKING AT IT.
I KNOW THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO RAISE THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD POINT.
AND I BELIEVE A PORTION OF FRONT SHEET WAS ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF THE 16, 60 SOUTH IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE UP FURTHER UP ON THE LIST.
IT WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE DOWN.
SO 1660 SOUTH AT 79 BECAUSE IT PUT THE TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE GRADE EVEN OUT, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF IT.
UM, AND EVEN 16, 60 SOUTH WILL BE WIDENED AT THAT PART.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME REALLY GOOD CHANGES, HOPEFULLY FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
I KNOW I COME THROUGH IT SEVERAL TIMES A DAY AND IT IS A BEAR TO GET THROUGH.
UM, AND I EVEN SAW OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS STUCK TRYING TO GET ACROSS WITH A TRACTOR AND, UH, SOME OF THEIR EQUIPMENT TODAY.
AND YOU HAVE ONE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE THAT ENDS UP BLOCKING ALL OF FRENCH STREET BECAUSE JUST THE LENGTH OF THEIR VEHICLE.
UM, AND SO, YEAH, I THINK YOU'LL START TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE BASED ON WHAT THEIR PRIORITIZATION ALREADY WAS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON
I MEAN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND PULL IT UP FROM A THREE TO A TWO MINIMUM? I MEAN IT'S ONLY 246 OR WHERE MY 2, 2 42 46.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL PROJECT AND WE GET A BIG BENEFIT OUT OF IT.
BUMPING THAT UP TO A TIER TWO.
YEAH, IT IS KIND OF LOW-HANGING FRUIT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THE RESERVE FUND THAT WILL COVER THAT.
LET'S UH, LET'S BUMP THAT ONE UP TO TIER TWO.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON THE CIP LIST.
WHEN IS THE NEXT DRAINAGE STUDY AND TRANSPORTATION STUDY DO DRAINAGE.
SO LET'S SEE WHERE WATER AND WASTEWATER IS UNDER RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK BACK AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU, BUT I CAN SEND THAT OUT TO ALL COMMISSION AND MOBILITY, MASTER PLANNER, TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DUMPED THE MOBILITY OF MASTER PLAN IN 2018 BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO IMPACT FEES.
YOU'RE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO DO THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON THAT IN 2023.
I KNOW I HAVE GOTTEN SOME EMAILS FROM ENGINEERS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO GO OUT FOR AN RFQ? WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE DEAL AT THE SAME TIME RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BEAUTIFUL HEDO SOAR 20, 40 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES IN THERE.
SO WE KIND OF WANT TO GET THAT DONE.
AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND USES, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY LAST WEEK TO GO OVER OUR LINES BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE'RE THIS WAY AND THE COUNTIES THIS WAY.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LINKING UP WITH ALL OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, NOT JUST WILLIAMSON, BUT ALSO TO THE SOUTH.
SO TRAVIS COUNTY PFLUGERVILLE GEORGETOWN, WHAT TAYLOR'S DOING, WHAT ROUND ROCK HAS GOING ON IN THEIR PLAN AND IN THEIR ETJ.
SO ON SOME OF THAT, I THINK ONCE WE GET THAT FIGURED OUT, THAT WILL DEFINITELY HELP PUSH THAT MASTER MODE OR THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN FORWARD OR WHEREVER WE END UP CALLING IT TO BE ABLE TO REDO THOSE IMPACT FEES DRAINAGE.
I HAVE NO IDEA I'LL GET THAT, THAT BE IN THE CIP ON THE PROJECTION, LIKE, HEY, PART
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OF THE CIP FOR 2027 IS COMP PLAN.THAT'S WHEN IT'S DUE, PUT IT IN THE SITE.
YOU EVER SEEN A COMP PLAN ON A CIP? IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH LEGAL AND SEE HOW THE FUNDING WOULD WORK, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THESE ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
AND YOU'RE USUALLY LOOKING AT BOND FUNDING OR GENERAL, UM, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING ON LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
USUALLY THAT'S JUST PULLING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND RFQ AND WE WANT TO GO FAR BEHIND ON OUR STUDIES AND WE'RE GETTING THERE AND ALL OF THIS STUFF FOR SO MANY YEARS SPEAK POSITIVELY ABOUT OUR DIRECTION CATCHING UP.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US NOT FALL BEHIND AGAIN, IF IT'S ON THE CIP LIST YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND YOU CAN SEE IT GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER IN.
AND I DO KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THIS MORNING THERE WAS A MEETING AND, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER, JAMES EARP WAS IN THERE AND HE HAD ACTUALLY SAID, OKAY, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THIS, UM, WHERE ARE THESE PLANS? WATER WASTEWATER IS SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED, UM, JUST BECAUSE THOSE IMPACT FEES AND OUR GROWTH RATES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF CIRCULATING.
UM, WE JUST NEED TO SEE WHERE THAT WINDS UP.
BUT I, MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN 2023 IS THE GOAL WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROVED FIRST.
SO THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN THAT RIGHT NOW DOES NOT MATCH WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING FORWARD WITH IN THE COMP PLAN, EVEN AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH THEM, WHAT THEIR STREETS LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALL KIND OF FEEDS BACK TO WHAT IS THE OVERALL VISION FOR THE CITY, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ASK IF THERE IS A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T PUT MASTER PLANNING IN THE CIP.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING LIKE THE COMP PLAN WAS WHAT $340,000, 900, 500.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THERE.
THAT'S IN THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT YOU NEED TO SPEND ON THIS AND WE DO NEED TO DO IT.
AND PERHAPS, MAYBE IT'S JUST ON THOSE PR ON THE LONG RANGE PLANS THAT REALLY FEED BACK INTO HOW WE'RE DOING THE CIP.
UM, I'VE TRUTHFULLY, IN MY YEARS, I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN THOSE INCLUDED ON THE CIP CAUSE IT'S JUST UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THEM IF YOU HAVE IMPACT FEES AND THE REST.
UM, AND THAT MAY BE WHERE WE GO, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY ASK THE QUESTION, UM, AND GET YOU SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
CAUSE I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS ON A CIP LIST SO THAT IT IS ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR THERE'S AND POTENTIALLY AS YOU'RE ASKING THEM, I MEAN, SINCE IT'S ULTIMATELY A SPREADSHEET, EVEN IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVEN A PROJECT NUMBER, EVEN IF IT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE, SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE FYI'S ON HERE, POTENTIALLY EVEN JUST NOTING WHICH FYS AND JUST PUTTING A NOTE THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS THE MOBILITY PLAN WILL BE THIS DATE.
AND THE WASTEWATER PLAN WILL BE THIS DATE.
JUST SO THAT WAY, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THESE, YOU HAVE AN IDEA.
UM, I DO HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN.
UM, ONCE WE ARE AT A POINT TO MAKE A MOTION, I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT ONE OF JUST, HEY, CAN WE JUST REFERENCE WHAT YEARS IF WE'RE DOING A FIVE-YEAR CIP REFERENCE, WHAT YEARS WE'RE EXPECTING TO DO A MASTER PLAN? AND I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, COMMISSIONER, REALLY, IF IT'S EVEN JUST AN ASTERISK OF HATE, THESE THINGS MAY CHANGE BECAUSE WE WILL BE DOING A NEW MASTER PLAN IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
MAYBE THAT'S WHEN I THINK IT'S UNDERSTOOD, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK WE SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT AND TRUST BUILDING.
UM, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE, UH, FEE STUDIES, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE WASTE, WATER WASTEWATER FEES? UM, IT COULD TYPICALLY THOSE ARE TIED DIRECTLY TO YOUR MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE BY STATE LAW EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHERE, I'M HOW, LIKE WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT MAYBE WE HAVE NOT ALWAYS ADHERED TO IN THE PAST.
I THINK WITH WHO WE HAVE AT THE HELM BETWEEN COUNCIL, AS WELL AS OUR CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE HELD TO THAT STANDARD.
AND I DON'T THINK HE WOULD SEE THAT LAPSE AGAIN, BUT WE'LL MAKE THE NOTE WE CAN ALWAYS ASK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY END UP BEING PART OF THE FINAL BUDGET.
I KNOW, UM, ANGIE RIOS, OUR CFO HAS ALSO BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS WE'RE GOING TO END UP WORKING ON A STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO I THINK SOME OF THESE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO BE REITERATED OF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH.
AND LIKE A STRATEGIC PLAN REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT THE CIP AS MUCH AS MASTER PLANS, WATER, WASTEWATER, ET CETERA.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO NEXT PAGE WASTEWATER.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? MAYBE JUST ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF ITEMS TO ADD.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EARLIER, MEAGER, MAYBE IF WE CAN ADD A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD MAJOR LANE IMPROVEMENTS, THE CIP LIST.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC STELLAR WASTE TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING?
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UH, AND YOU CAN, YOU GUYS CAN TALK WITH THESE SHOOT THESE DOWN, UM, EXCHANGE IN 79 IS ALWAYS INSANE.AND WITH LIVE OAK, ALL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT COMING UP THERE.
SO CURRENTLY IT'S A, IT'S A ONE RIGHT.
ONE LEFT LEFT STACKS, JUST ALL THE WAY BACK LIVE OAK.
I FEEL LIKE MAYBE ADD TO THE CIP LIST TWO LEFTS, TWO REITS, IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION.
WOULD THAT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC STUDY FIRST TO EVALUATE THAT INTERSECTION? OH, I SEE.
SINCE IT IS, UH, SINCE IT IS A US HIGHWAY CITY, YOU HAVE TO DO A TIA FOR TXDOT 79 IMPROVEMENTS LIKELY, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD SO MANY MEETINGS WITH CHECK STOCK RECENTLY THAT I WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THEIR MASTER PLANS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE GROWTH RATE THAT EASTERN WILLIAMSON COUNTY, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED THAT THIS IS NOT ALREADY ON THEIR WORK PLAN TO PROVE THAT INTERSECTION, THAT EXCHANGE, WOULD THEY IMPROVE EXCHANGE PORTION? WOULD THAT BEING THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY THEY WOULD NOT.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF ONE OF THOSE JOINT EFFORTS.
SO DAVID, DID YOU SAY TWO LOVE AND ONE, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT HE SAID? WELL, WE'LL GO TO LAST TWO RIGHTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S POTENTIAL, TO BE HONEST FOR, FOR COST-SAVING YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED ADDITIONAL, RIGHT.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIGHTS, PRETTY FLEET FREE FLOWING, BUT THE MAJOR PROBLEM IS THE LEFT.
THAT'S BEEN A HUGE ISSUE I COULD SEE IN THE FAR FUTURE THAT TWO RIDES ME NOT HELPFUL SINCE YOU'RE FEEDING A TON OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY SINCE NOBODY'S GOING TO GO NORTH PAST THE SCHOOL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO 20 MILE AN HOUR AROUND SOME WEIRD LOOPS THAT WILL, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME DOWN.
BUT ALSO A NOTE WITH THAT THOUGH.
SO WITH LIVE OAK EXTENSION COMING, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER EXIT TO THE WEST.
SO SOME TRAFFIC WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LIVE OAK ALL THE WAY OUT TO EDGE MAT AND EVENTUALLY ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO I JUST CAN'T HELP, BUT IT'S THE LEFT THAT'S BACKING UP TO THE LEFT.
SO IT WOULD BE TAKING THE RIGHT.
THE RIGHTS MIGHT NOT BE A, YEAH, I AGREE THEN.
I WOULD THINK WE NEED TWO LEFTS AT SOME POINT, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH ADDING THAT.
UH, I WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH ADDING A TWO LEFT ONE, RIGHT IMPROVEMENT.
JUST, UM, I WOULD SAY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AS EXCHANGE IN 79.
UM, BECAUSE I'M USING MY COMPUTER FOR THIS.
I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP, BUT I CANNOT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN ABOUT THAT STREET, ULTIMATELY, BECAUSE EXCHANGE IS SUCH A WIDE RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK THERE, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET A BETTER, I MEAN THE STREET NEEDS TO BE REDONE ANYWAY, JUST FOR EXCHANGE, JUST WITH HOW BUMPY IT IS.
AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME FAILURES UNDERNEATH, SO IT REALLY NEEDS A FULL REHAB, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER MASTER PLANS OF WHAT DOES THAT FULL REHAB LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY SIDEWALKS, HOW LARGE ARE THE SIDEWALKS AND WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP CONNECTIVITY, NOT JUST FOR VEHICLES, BUT THEN ALSO FOR ALL THE STUDENTS.
CAUSE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, UM, EVEN AT THE END OF LIVE OAK RIGHT NOW, KIDS ARE WALKING IN THE STREET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONNECTIVITY.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE THAT BETTER? BUT THEN ALSO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS MASSIVE RIGHT OF WAY, GOING INTO A 20 MILE AN HOUR PRIVATE DRIVE, ESSENTIALLY FOR TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT BETTER? SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LONG-TERM PLANS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, NOT JUST FOR THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC, BUT CERTAINLY FOR THE NORTHBOUND AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW DURANGO AND THE REST OF THEM, IF THEY'RE GOING WHICHEVER SCHOOL THEY END UP GOING TO, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING OVER TO THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL, THERE'S GOING TO BE CUT THROUGH, THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE BUSES BECAUSE SOME OF THESE KIDS STILL HAVE TO GET BUSED OVER.
I FORGET HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE GOING IN THERE? 600 PLUS IS IT 600? I BELIEVE SO.
BETWEEN CAUSE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS PLUS AHS AND THEN PLUS WHATEVER ENDS UP HAPPENING ON THE CO-OP SIDE, BECAUSE THE CO-OP STILL ALSO HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY OVER HERE.
NOW, GRANTED, A LOT OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED IN A TIA IT'S ALREADY BEEN THOUGHT OF WITH THE ABILITY OF MASTER PLAN, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT, UM, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS FOR EXCHANGE, I WOULD SAY PUT THAT IN WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST, AND WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, IT WAS 1 32 SIGNAL.
DID WE, DO WE WANT TO MOVE THAT UP TO A ONE OR SOME KIND OF IMPROVEMENT? I TH MY PROPOSAL WAS MOVING IT UP TO PRIORITY ONE, JUST PUTTING IT RIGHT BELOW THE REQUIRED ONES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE OVERPASS OPTION BECAUSE THE STOPLIGHT IS GOING TO DO NOTHING.
I MEAN, WE, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.
I MEAN, IN REALITY IT NEEDS AN OVERPASS.
THE CHALLENGES THE DESIGN HAS SWITCHED SO MANY TIMES THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW IS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE A STOPLIGHT THAT THEN FEEDS TO THE RE TO THE ACTUAL BRIDGE, OR IF IT WILL ACTUALLY BE RAMPS.
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DESIGNS FLOATING AROUND AND I'VE SEEN HIM THIS WAY, THIS WAY AND THIS WAY, I MEAN, KIND OF HAVE A SPAGHETTI MAP LIKE THE HURRICANE.DO WE KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY A STOPLIGHT THAT FEEDS TO A FEEDER ROAD TO 1 32 ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A JUG HANDLE, BUT I THINK ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING ONE WAY.
I THINK WE MAY HAVE IT GO THE OPPOSITE WAY AT THIS POINT.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN FULL CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
THE LAST TIME I SAW THEM, IT WAS STILL COMING ACROSS ON THE COVERT SIDE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KNOW, FRONT STREET WAS GOING TO DIP DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S KIND OF NOTED IN ONE OF THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN MAPS THAT WE HAD.
AND I THINK WE'RE SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING TO WHAT THE OVERALL VISION WAS IN 2018.
UM, CERTAINLY I THINK IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, WHEN I SEE THESE THINGS START TO COME UP TO SHOW THE DESIGNS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INCLUDE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, AT LEAST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF LIKE, HEY, THIS IS COMING TO COUNCIL, GO WATCH THIS MEETING.
EVEN IF WE DON'T MAKE THE PRESENTATION DIRECTLY HERE, COULD WE ADD SOMETHING ON TO T SIX WHERE THAT'S THE BRIDGE WHERE IF THE BRIDGE ISN'T MOVED UP OR WHATEVER, THEN AS AN ALTERNATE, WE RECOMMEND PUTTING A STOPLIGHT.
SO KIND OF AN EITHER OR, YOU KNOW, EITHER GET TO WORK ON THE BRIDGE OR PUT A STOPLIGHT IN.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF, I KNOW THAT THIS, I MEAN, CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES A MINUTE TO BUILD A FULL OVERPASS AND GET THE UPA APPROVALS AND THE REST OF IT.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN WORK ON WITH TXDOT OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT A SAFER INTERSECTION AND CROSSING? UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, UH, LIKE, UH, IN THE MEANTIME OR A STOP GAP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, YES, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT FROM A FISCAL STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE GOING TO DROP A MILLION AND A HALF ON STOPLIGHTS JUST TO RIP THEM OUT TWO YEARS LATER, THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE.
AND I I'M, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TXDOT HAS PLANNED BECAUSE IF THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING FUNDED ON THEIR ROADWAY, THEN SOME OF THAT FUNDING WOULDN'T COME THROUGH HERE.
I BELIEVE IT ONLY DOES IF WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE A LITTLE BIT AND BRING IT IN SOONER.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL WORTH AN ASK AND THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE THINGS OF THE MASS AND THINGS.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT, I THINK A NINE MONTH LEAD TIME ON SOME OF THE STRUCTURES FOR ANY LIGHTS.
BUT IF AT, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING POTENTIAL ROADBLOCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I'M ALWAYS LIKE, WELL, IF WE CAN'T SOURCE THEM OURSELVES, WHAT WE HAVE ON COMING OUT, CAN WE USE THAT ONE OVER ON THIS AREA WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FLOODING ISSUE AND IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE GATES INSTALLED ALL THE TIME.
UM, CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP PD.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT, IF WE CAN STILL DO SOME OF THAT, JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT IT IN DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T REUSE IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ALL THE TIME.
SO I MOVE THAT ONE TO ONE KIND OF OVERPASS WORK, TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICHEVER KIND OF EITHER, OR I WOULD SAY EITHER OR, AND I MEAN JUST, WE WANT THIS ONE MOVED UP AND IN THE MEANTIME, BEFORE THE OVERPASS IN WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN, THAT'S HOW I THINK I WOULD PHRASE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON FUNDING ON IT.
NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A LIGHT ABSOLUTELY.
UH, EDGE MINT LIMOR LOOP, RIGHT? TURN LANES.
SO THE EDGE MITT SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS IS ON HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING OUT OF, UM, WELL IT'S FISCAL YEAR 2024.
SO WE HAVE SOME OF THE URGENT NEEDS SATISFIED IN FISCAL YEAR 2020 WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND SHERMAN.
THE CIP THAT'S THE VERY LAST ONE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT ONE HAS A PRIORITY LEVEL OF THREE THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE MOVED SOONER ON THAT SAME MEASUREMENT ONE.
CAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DOES THAT ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE FROM 79 TO LIMIT LOOP? IS THAT WHAT THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS IS COVERING OR WAS IT EXTENDED FOR A SMALL PORTION? I BELIEVE SO.
BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL BECAUSE ARE THE MO THE SIGNS FOR SPEED VARY SO GREATLY, AND THEN YOU HAVE COMPETING WHERE IF YOU CAN HIT IT, RIGHT.
I'M PROOF OF THIS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET FROM THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT, ALL THE WAY INTO THE LOWEST PARKING LOT.
I DID NOT SUGGEST IT UNLESS YOU'RE ON A SUNDAY MORNING.
WE DO HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND LAYS ON A P AND Z.
IF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
CAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK, UM, ACTUALLY CHIEFS THERE DID A STUDY IN THAT AREA BEFORE, AND SHE ALSO LEADS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LOVER.
SO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE SOMETHING THAT I'M PUSHING IS AS WELL AS WHAT CAN WE DO AT 1 32 TO PROVIDE EXTRA SAFETY.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON TO ADD A ROW ONCE TOO MANY
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WAY MORE THAN THAT.SO, UM, I LOVE THE SKY LAW HEARING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND STUART ACTUALLY THEY DID 79 IN GENERAL CAN DO WITH DIFFERENTIAL, UH, ALL THE SPEED LIMITS, FIFTY FIVE FORTY FIVE AND BOOM, YOUR PHONE.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HE MADE AND THEN ALSO TO CAMERAS.
SO, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU THEN IS THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE TAG OF, UH, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION THAT CANNOT INCLUDE THE LIVE OAK AND EMERY FARMS LIGHT.
THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU CAN FIT THAT INTO, IS THAT SIGNAL ACTUALLY BEING COVERED BY THE DEVELOPER FOR EMORY FARMS SIGNAL WAS THAT IT WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN IT BASED ON THEIR TIA OR WOULD ALSO THEN BE COVERED BY THE TIF AND ALL OF THOSE WOULD HAVE IT TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE.
SO NOT THE WHOLE THING, JUST NOT JUST THEIR PROPORTIONALITY, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE MONEY FOR OUR PORTION, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS, THIS LOOKS WAY TOO LOW FOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT ENTIRE FROM 79 FORD OR FROM 70 TO LIMMER THREE, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S NEARLY ENOUGH FOR WIDENING IMPROVEMENTS, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, A RIGHT TURN LANE AT LIMMER AND LIGHTS.
IT JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S ENOUGH TO ME.
WELL, THEY'RE PUTTING BRIGHT TURN, RIGHT? TURN LANES.
WHAT DOES THAT ED SCHMIDT AND 1660, AND THEN A $7 MILLION PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT, AND THAT'S ALSO HAS WETLANDS, I ASSUME, I BELIEVE.
NO, THAT AMOUNT DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE FOR ANY KIND OF WIDENING.
I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S COVERED ON THIS, WHICH IS ALSO A PROBLEM BECAUSE RIGHT.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME IS, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS OUT HERE AND YET THERE'S STILL NO PLAN TO EVEN TRY TO LOOK AT WIDENING OR EVEN START PAYING FOR WIDENING OF REGIMENT.
THAT'S SO WHEN WE ADD ED SCHMIDT, SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC, I MEAN IT CAN ANALYSIS.
I THINK IT CAN BE UNDER THE SAME ONE, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE, WE NEED TO, YOU PROBABLY RECOMMEND THE AMOUNT TO BE HIGHER BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, I MEAN, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIVERTERS AT ONE POINT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THESE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
SO WE'VE PUT IN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START PUTTING MIDDLE DIVERTERS, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING AT LOWE'S HOME DEPOT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO FIGURE THOUGH IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, THAT PRIORITY THREE, ISN'T A LOW PRIORITY.
IT'S JUST THAT THIS HAS TO BE FUNDED AND PUT INTO DESIGN IN EARLY 20, 23.
SO WE HAVE SIX MONTHS UNTIL EARLY 2020, OR AT LEAST UNTIL 2023.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE PRIORITY THREE MATES STILL WORK.
IF YOU WANT TO THEN SAY, I WANT THE DESIGN CAPACITY, THE DESIGN TO INCLUDE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH WIDENING? ARE WE GOING TO PUT IN PORK CHOPS OR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CENTER LANE TO MAKE IT MORE SAFE? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE JUST NEED TO WHOEVER'S ON THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN, ADVISORY COMMITTEE NEEDS TO PUSH FOR THE EDGE STUFF BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTAL LONG EDGE MINT.
WE SAID, WE'VE GOT CONCERNS OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC SPEEDS, ACCESSIBILITY, WIDENING TURN LANES, ET CETERA.
AND IF ALL THAT'S CAPTURED IN THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH SHOULD BE 20, 23, MAYBE HOPEFULLY, WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS, IT HAS TO BE.
AND THEN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN HAS TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE WE HAVE AN IMPACT FEED TIED TO IT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TWO.
SO IF THAT'S ALL TIED INTO THAT MASTER MOBILITY PLAN, THEN I THINK WE'VE GOT A CAPTURED AND WE'VE ALSO GOT THE SCOPE OF WHAT PROJECTS NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED RATHER THAN US TRYING TO REACH BACK INTO THE MEMORY AND SAY, HEY, MAKE SURE THIS GETS ON THE CIP AS THIS PRIORITY.
AND IF YOU SEE SOME OF THIS LIST REALLY DOES MIRROR WHAT'S IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW.
AND I KNOW YOU WERE ON THAT BECAUSE I HAD JUST STARTED.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, HI, HOW ARE YOU? AND IT WAS A VERY QUICK PROCESS, BUT WE DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD LIST OF NOT ONLY CONNECTIVITY PROJECTS, BUT ROADWAY PROJECTS, WHAT WE WANT THOSE ROADWAYS TO LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE WIDTH AND THE SIDEWALKS AND THE TREE LOANS AND THE REST.
UM, SO A LOT OF THIS WAS TAKEN AND KIND OF STARTED THERE BECAUSE WE HAD DONE SOME OF THE PRE-WORK.
WE JUST HADN'T DONE THE WORK, WORK ON THE DESIGN AND ACTUALLY MOVING THE DIRT.
SO I THINK WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
THIS IS JUST REALLY, WHAT'S THE MOST, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY TO GET US TO
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THIS EARLY 20, 23 IN DESIGN.SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.
SO MY OPINION, THIS IS JUST FROM WHERE I'M SITTING, I'M LOOKING AT, LET'S GET THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN ON HERE, AS YOU KNOW, HEY, WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN 2023 PERIOD.
AND I THINK THAT WILL CAPTURE ALL OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON EDGE BECAUSE THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF STUFF THAT WE NEED TO DO ON THERE.
SO AS PART OF THIS, DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND ANY SPECIFICS? W WHAT I HAD THOUGHT IN MY VERBIAGE WAS JUST RECOMMEND ADDING EXTENSIVE IMPROVEMENTS AND INCREASED FUNDING TO INCLUDE SOME WIDENING TRAFFIC SIGNALS, RESTRICTED MOVEMENTS, ET CETERA.
DO WE ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS FAR AS SIGNAL LOCATIONS OR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND WE'RE KIND OF DUPLICATING EFFORT.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT HERE, THERE'S SOMEBODY CAPTURING THE ISSUES FOR THE MASTER MOBILITY, FOR SURE.
I'M SURE ASHLEY HAS THAT IN SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE IN HER 5 BILLION NOTES ON HER DESK.
YOU GUYS, EVERY TIME YOU GUYS SAY SOMETHING, I MEAN, I THINK THE COMMENTS ARE SO ON POINT, IT'S KINDA LIKE, HEY, THAT'D BE GREAT.
POST-IT NOTE, THERE'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS OF JUST SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING.
I MEAN, PD MENTIONED SOMETHING OF MEETING CROSSING GATES BECAUSE 1 37 FLOODS AND WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO SHUT IT DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS LIKE, WELL, THEN IF WE HAD THESE GATES MOVED AND THEN WE COULD DO THIS.
AND SO JUST REMEMBERING, I MEAN, THERE'S, I HAVE POACHED ALL, IT'S LIKE A FIEND IN MY OFFICE.
IT'S A LITTLE BAD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY.
I DO REMEMBER THAT ONE POST-IT NOTE OR THAT ONE CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, LIEUTENANT JONES HAPPENED TO HAVE WITH ME SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND MENTIONED IN PASSING OF JUST, OKAY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, SO WHATEVER WE CAN COME UP WITH AS FAR AS A RECOMMENDATION, AND I SAY, WE HAVE JUST BECAUSE OF THE BOARD, BUT WHAT YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH AS A RECOMMENDATION, CERTAINLY THAT WILL GO TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEN I'LL TYPE THOSE UP TONIGHT AND GIVE THEM OVER TO THE CFO ANGEL RIOS, AND THEN ALSO WADE BENTON, SO THAT WE CAN GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION FOR YOU IN THE MEANTIME BEFORE COUNCIL, BUT THEN ALSO GET SOMETHING THAT CAPTURES THE ESSENCE HERE.
SO YOU HAD, I THINK YOU HAD SOME REALLY GOOD VERBIAGE ON THERE, BUT THEN LET'S JUST CALL IT.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO SPECIFICS THEN IS TO BOOST INCREASE FUNDING FOR T 10, RIGHT? I MEAN, CAUSE IT MAY NOT EVEN BE CHANGING THEIR PRIORITY CAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY QUICK PRIORITY.
BUT IT COULD BE, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THIS FUNDING IS BOOSTED SO THAT WE COULD ALSO ENSURE THAT THE WIDENING AND THE SAFETY MEASURES AND THE REST THAT WE'VE BEEN NOTICING, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN STUCK IN EDGE MEANT GOING NORTH AND MAYBE CLARIFY FROM LIMMER 2 79.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, THOSE ARE GREAT.
CLARIFICATION'S I THINK THAT'S THIS RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THE MOST FUN WE'VE EVER HAD.
SO I'M TYPING, I'M TYPING A LOT.
SO, SO AGAIN, DO WE WANT TO ADD SOME SPECIFIC CENTER? YOU MENTIONED THE RIGHT TURN LANES OR DO WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO THAT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE FUNDING, THAT'LL BE ENOUGH IF WE ADD THE VERBIAGE FROM LIMMER 2 79 AND THAT WILL BE CAPTURED, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I, I KIND OF, I KIND OF AM GOING, LET'S THROW SOME SPECIFICS IN THERE.
AND I THINK THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT AS IF, AND I'M ASSUMING, AND ASHLEY CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PROVIDE, ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOCUMENTED LIKE EITHER IN THE ACTUAL COUNCIL PACKET? SO MY IDEA WAS TO AT LEAST GET THE RECOMMENDATION SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO ANY RECOMMENDATION.
MY IDEA WOULD BE, ALTHOUGH THIS ISN'T MY ITEM AND MY THING THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL, THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD GO IN THERE.
AND SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU SEND ME WHATEVER YOUR NOTES ARE AND THIS, AND WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SAID.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY I KNOW THAT WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAT IN HERE.
SHE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THIS ON THE UPDATES.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS, THAT'S WHY I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IMPORTANT.
IF IT'S ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED IN THE ACTUAL COUNCIL PACKET, THEN IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO PUT SPECIFICS.
SO THAT WAY, WHEN WE'RE READING IT A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW STARTING THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN CAN BE LIKE, OH, WELL, BACK WHEN YOU DID, I CERTAINLY CAN'T SAY THAT IT WOULD BE NECESSARILY IN THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE I'M NOT WRITING A STAFF REPORT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY, IF IT'S A PLANNING AND ZONING ITEM OR A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ITEM, WHAT GOES FORWARD IS ACTUALLY YOUR RECOMMENDATION VERBATIM IN COUNCIL AND HASH IT.
I COULD CERTAINLY WRITE A MEMO TO BOTH WADE AND ANGIE AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED AT P AND Z FOR THE CIP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF BRING TOGETHER ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CERTAINLY IT'S THIS IS RECORDED.
HOPEFULLY I REALLY HOPE I GOT IT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, I THINK I GOT IT RIGHT.
UM, IF I DON'T HAVE ANGEL I'M LOST AND I WILL FULLY ADMIT THAT SHE IS AN ANGEL.
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I'M A LITTLE FLYING BLIND TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IT IS BEING RECORDED.UM, YEAH, BUT CERTAINLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THE CIP GROUP.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MAKING THE LISTS, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THE FILE, BUT THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS HURT.
SO WE'VE GOT RIGHT TURN AT, UH, LIMMER WE'VE GOT WHICH DIRECTION I WOULD S I THINK, RIGHT.
I THINK THE ONLY RIGHT TURN LANE IS TRAVELING SOUTHBOUND.
SO THREE OF THE INNER TURN LANE.
THAT'S THE SAME, YOU KNOW, ALSO A, UH, ALSO A EASTBOUND.
WELL TECHNICALLY EVERY LEG THEN.
AND THEN INVESTIGATE, UM, WHO IS COVERING THE SIGNAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT LIVE OAK SLASH YEAH.
MAKE SURE OUR PROPORTION IS FUNDED.
A WIDENING OF, UH, EDGE MINT AND, UH, TRAFFIC MITIGATION ON EDGE MINT.
WE HAD THAT WIDENING TRAFFIC SIGNALS, RESTRICTED MOVEMENTS, RESTRICTED MOVEMENTS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SPECIFICS CAUSE IT'S TOO EARLY.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A TON OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT SAID THEY'RE GOING IN, BUT THEY'RE STILL YEARS FROM, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN, BUT CERTAINLY WE KNOW LIVE OAK IS GOING TO GO IN.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING THIS.
SO WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T CREATE ANOTHER HOME DEPOT LOAD SITUATION AT EMORY FARMS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY CREATED A SITUATION.
I DO NOT WANT TO PUT MORE ON THEM.
UM, EVEN KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SAFE CROSSING.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE EVENTUALLY RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.
UM, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITHIN THAT DESIGN.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, ALSO JUST, I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON ANY OF THESE THAT WE START SEEING COMING FORWARD FOR DESIGN OR ANYTHING.
I'LL CERTAINLY KEEP YOU GUYS A PRICE BECAUSE YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THE CIP.
WASTEWATER, DO WE, DO WE WANT TO BE MORE CLEAR WITH THE MAYOR LANE AND EXCHANGE, SEE OUR 1 99 REPAIRS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S MILL AND OVERLAY OR THE, THE 1 99.
MY QUESTION WAS, HEY, ARE WE COVERING THE LENGTH? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SIMPLE MILL AND OVERLAY.
THAT'S A BASE LEVEL OF REPAIR FUNCTIONALITY, STOP GAP AS WELL.
UM, I IMAGINE THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS LISTED IN THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE WITH THE NUMBER OF HOUSES, CONNECTIVITY, TO HOPEFULLY THE BRIDGE CONNECTIVITY TO HOPEFULLY A REDIRECTED 16, 60, THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A BIGGER ROAD.
AND IDEALLY IT WAS 1 99, THE DEVELOPERS TO THE NORTH PART OF WHAT ASHLEY WAS SAYING EARLIER, PART OF THEIR BUILD-OUT IS THEY SHOULD BE ADDING LIKE CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALK, ALL OF THAT.
SO IF IT'S ALREADY MELD AND OVERLAID, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONE FINISHING THAT OUT THEN.
AND EXAMINING IT IN ARE STILL ACTUALLY HATES ME BECAUSE I BRING IT UP EVERY TIME.
WE'RE STILL ASKED ME THE QUESTION OF MARRIAGE AND ARE TO THE SOUTH STILL.
DON'T THINK THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING ANY OF THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE REQUIRED TO.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY WILL ON SOME OF IT BECAUSE OF WHEN THEY DEVELOPED.
I MEAN, CAUSE I KNOW FOR SOME OF THEM, ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN AND THERE WASN'T A STAFF COMMENT AT THAT TIME, I THINK, I THINK CROSS CREEK GAVE UP RIGHT AWAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I BELIEVE THEY GAVE UP RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO IMPROVE IT.
I THINK THE SAME THING FOR LAMAR, BECAUSE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY POTTED IN 2006, THEY GAVE UP RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO IMPROVE IT.
I THINK, UM, SIMILARLY WITH THE JRS BUILDING OR WHATEVER THAT WAS FOR MY, I THINK IT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS JARIS, BUT IT MAY NOT BE THEM ANYMORE.
I CERTAINLY THINK AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE NOW SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS YOUR PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IMPROVED.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE SOME CHANGES THERE, BUT YES, COMMISSIONER, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK WHAT THEY GAVE UP WAS MORE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAN THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK EVEN WITHIN THERE, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE PEDS, BUT I DON'T, I MEAN, GRANTED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS COVERED IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS FAR AS THE EXCHANGE, WE'RE REALLY KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF TXDOT ON 79, ON 79 IN EXCHANGE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET VERY SPECIFIC ON THAT ASIDE FROM WHAT WE ALREADY SAID, TWO LEFT ONE, RIGHT?
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YEAH.CAUSE YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET STUCK OVER THERE PRETTY EASILY.
WOULD YOU WANT TO BE SPECIFIC THOUGH, TO SAY WHERE YOU WANT THE EXCHANGE BOUNDARIES TO BE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FROM LIMMER ALL THE WAY TO 79? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FROM WHAT'S THAT NORTHERN WEST STREET? UM, HOLLSTROM I BELIEVE, I THINK IT'S HOLSTROM.
SO DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FROM THERE OR THE SOUTH END OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SOMETHING? OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EXCHANGE LOOKED AT IF YOU WANTED SPECIFICS? I THINK WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION.
UH, INTERSECTION DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS A ROUGH ROAD RIGHT THERE FROM HOLSTROM TO, TO THE SCHOOL AREA.
ALMOST WONDERING INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, MILL AND OVERLAY OF EXCHANGE TO WHAT WAS THAT FIRST ROAD METCALF? I MEAN, I HAVEN'T DRIVEN PAST METCALF, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD IT IS, BUT MAYBE PAST METCALF, YOU GET THIS MASSIVE DIP, RIGHT.
WHEN YOU GO INTO THE SCHOOL, YOU CAN SEE GROOVES IN THE PAVEMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO SHOULD WE SUGGEST MAYBE A STUDY ON THE REST OF THE ROADWAY? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO NO STOPS EITHER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PRETTY WELL JUST DRIVE THE WHOLE ROAD ONLY TO THE SCHOOL WITH EVER STOPPING ALL SWAPS.
I KNOW PART OF THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE, UM, THAT WILL END UP BEING BETTER ONCE THE FULL WELL, YEAH.
LIVE OAK IS GOING TO COME IN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU'LL ALREADY SEE IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LIVE OAK.
THERE IS, UM, NORTH FOREST I BELIEVE IS THAT SITE PLAN.
SO WE ARE GOING TO START GETTING THE SIDEWALKS IN JUST BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE COMING IN.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME A SIDEWALK DOESN'T FIX EVERYTHING.
I MEAN THAT ROADWAY TO YOUR CAR.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF BOUNCING A LITTLE BIT.
SO EXCHANGE PEDESTRIAN, CONNECTIVITY, EXCHANGE, POTENTIAL MILL AND OVERLAY, I WOULD SAY, UH, EXCHANGE STUDY THE SAME STUDY FOR ANYBODY EVEN DO PARENTHESES OF, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY, REHAB, WHETHER IT'S REHAB.
I DON'T KNOW IF MELLON OVERLAY WOULD FIX THAT ONE.
JUST WHEN YOU START GETTING THE BUMPS, THAT'S USUALLY, YEAH.
IT'S USUALLY WATER LEAKAGE SOMEWHERE AT SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO ALSO MAKE SURE YOU'LL SEE THE BIG MANHOLE COVERS.
SO CLEARLY THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE.
SO IF WE NEED TO GET IN THERE AND FIX IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FIXING IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT, UM, SERVICE OR IF THOSE ARE STARTING TO IMPACT SERVICE.
I THINK OUR PUBLIC WORKS GUYS ARE SO WONDERFUL.
I THINK THAT THEY WOULD ALREADY KNOW, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BROUGHT INTO THAT FOLD AS WELL ON ANY REHAB OVER THERE SO THAT WE'RE NOT HURTING OUR SYSTEM.
AND W I MEAN, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT ESD GETTING IN ON THIS.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR ESD HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE, UM, I THINK WITH ERIC, WE HAVE ACTUALLY COME MADE HUGE STRIDES BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ESD, UM, FROM WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE.
AND SO I REALLY ENJOY BEING ABLE TO GET WITH THEM IN THE ROOM AND JUST SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN AND THE REST OF IT.
THEY ALSO HAVE A SAY BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR A LOT OF STUFF, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET AROUND.
UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'S EVERYTHING ON THE RADIO.
I HAVE STREETS AND THE TURNS AND THE REST.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO WE'RE, WE'LL CERTAINLY CONTINUALLY DO THAT AND I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO WORK WITH AT ESD.
THEY'RE REALLY WONDERFUL HUMANS.
SO WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON TRAFFIC? WE WANT TO KIND OF FOLLOW SUIT WITH YOUR LANE IS DONE MEAGER LINE ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S NEEDED.
AH, SO YOU MENTIONED MAKER LANE A WHILE AGO.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DETAILS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK MEAGER LANE IS STILL KIND OF OPEN THOUGH, BECAUSE DURANGO IS NOT VERY COMPLETED THAT THEY'RE TALKING MY, MY IDEAS AND SO MUCH ABOUT THE WEST END OF MAKER LANE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE LIGHT IS NOW IT'S ABOUT THE EAST END, WHICH IS JUST DESTROYED AND IT'S AT THAT WEIRD INTERSECTION AND IT DOES ON THE TRUCK.
IT DOES THE CURVE AROUND AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK, SORRY, ONE MORE MINUTE.
UM, I THINK THE CURVE THAT KIND OF LEADS UP TO, UH, FROM THE SCHOOL UP TO LIMOR LOOP.
I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS A MILL AND OVERLAY BECAUSE WE DON'T, WELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT PAVEMENT LITERALLY SLIDING OFF.
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YOU JUST WANT TO LIKE SCOOP IT BACK.IT'S LIKE ICING ON A HOT DAY AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S A MESS.
I'M SEEING STUFF ABOUT PEOPLE DOING VIGILANTE POTHOLES AND FILLING A MAN OR VIGILANT VIGILANTE, POTHOLE FILLING YEAH.
IT'S TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
BUT I DO NOTE, THIS IS ONE THAT CAME UP EARLIER.
I DO KNOW IT'S ON THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UM, ON HIS RADAR BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW CAME UP AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS LIKE, IT'S JUST KIND OF SLIDING OFF TO THE SIDE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW TODAY.
SO I THINK A MILL AND OVERLAY IS PROBABLY A PATCHETT QUICK FIX, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE, HEY, ARE WE PUTTING IN A TARGET? AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE COUNCIL MEMBER SET.
AND DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD AS WELL.
I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT COMING IN TO THAT AREA, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A GIS STUDY OF ALL OF OUR ROOMS. AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WHERE WE NEED TO DO THE WORK FIRST, WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THOSE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF ALL OF OUR ROADS AND CAN START FIGURING OUT WHICH ONES NEED TO BE FIXED FIRST.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT WRITTEN FROM BACK.
BECAUSE I WAS AT THE SAME NIGHT AS THE DIG DUNK CONTRACT FOR THE LAKESIDE.
CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A PAVEMENT SOMETHING CAUSE THERE WAS A LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER CONTRACT I THINK, FOR THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY.
I WAS LIKE, THERE WAS A TON OF LIKE, AND THEN I JUST GOT EXCITED CAUSE I WAS LIKE, DOUG, DOUG IS AMAZING.
SO THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT ONCE WE KNOW THAT I THINK YOU'LL SEE MORE PRIORITIZATION.
IT MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO BE A LONG-TERM CIP.
IT MAY JUST BE MAINTENANCE THAT THAT PUBLIC WORKS GROUP CAN TAKE CARE OF.
THANK AND THAT, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION THOUGH, IS IF THAT'S COMING BACK IN OCTOBER, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO CIP.
THAT'S POTENTIALLY BIGGER VERSUS WHAT CAN JUST BE DONE BY PUBLIC WORKS.
SO SOME OF THOSE COULD BE DONE ON THE CIP, BUT SOME OF THESE MAY JUST BE KIND OF GENERAL.
AND SO IT MAY NOT BE THAT WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD IF THERE'S THE BUDGET TO DO THEM, OR YOU MAY SEE THAT THE BUDGET CHANGES IN A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY SAY, HEY, NONE ON THE CIP.
BUT THIS CAME BACK ON A PAVEMENT IMPROVEMENT SCORE OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO THIS.
SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO RECOMMEND MEAGER BUT CONTINGENT ON THE PAVEMENT STUDY? I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA.
DOES THAT SOUND, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? HEY, IF THEY MISS THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD MISS THAT IF YOU'RE, WELL, IF YOU DON'T ARRIVE AT IT, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
YOU COULD SAY, WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS ONE MOVED UP OR AT LEAST PUT ON THE LIST BASED ON WHAT THE PAYMENT ASSESSMENT COMES BACK AS, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A STREET THAT'S, I MEAN, MAYBE IT REALLY IS TRULY 1 99 AND 1 37 ARE JUST THAT MUCH WORSE PAYMENT SECTIONS THAN MAKER.
UM, AND CERTAIN, BUT MAYORS ALSO AN OVERFLOW FROM 79 AND IT IS A DECENT EAST WEST STREET.
UM, SO CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE WORST CASE THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PLANNED, OR MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD PLANNED.
UM, CERTAINLY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY WHEELHOUSE FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS GUYS, BUT I KNOW IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED CROSS STREETS.
UH, SO LET'S SEE, IT'S GOING TO BE FROM, WHAT IS IT? CLERK? IS IT CLARK OR CAROL? CAUSE IT GOES IT'S I GUESS IT'S PAST CAROL ASK HER THERE'S A GROVES.
OKAY, NOW CLERK'S KATE'S KATE'S TOO.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE MAIN, I THINK THE WORST PART IS 1 32 AND 1 36.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY ALL THE WAY TO LIMOR THOUGH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT PASSES OVER 1 32, RIGHT.
AND THEN 1 32, THE WAY UP TO LIMMER I, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MILL AND OVERLAY THAT PORTION, BUT THERE'S ALMOST NO POINT BECAUSE IT'S STILL VERY OPEN AND THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT THERE AT THE MOMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE ANY PURPOSE.
I WOULD MAYBE I WOULD SAY STOP AT 1 32.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, 1 32 IS KIND OF, IT'S ALSO CRAPPY.
SO YOU ADD 1 30, 2 WITH MAYER AND I'M NOT OVER THERE.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE TRAVELING EAST ON MAKER.
DO YOU TAKE A LEFT ON 1 32 TO GET TO LOOP LEHMER OR DO YOU TRAVEL 1 36? NO, GENERALLY GO UP TO LIMOR BECAUSE 1 36, 1 32
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IS JUST 1 32.THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT THAT IS ONCE THE BRIDGES ARE ACTUALLY GET PUT OVER IS MEAGER EVENING AND STILL GONNA CONNECT THERE.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING A MILL AND OVERLAY IS A HATCHET IT'S ABANDONED TODAY.
THE BAND-AID AND THEN IT PAID.
I'M THINKING MAKER'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LESS THAN 1 99 AS FAR AS COST GOES FOR A MILL AND OVERLAY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT COULD BE.
I MEAN, IT REALLY COULD BE, I THINK TOO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SENTENCE POINT, IF WE HAVE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT COULD COME IN THAT MAY BE IN THE PIPELINE, UM, IN 1 32 COMES OVER.
IF THE JUG HANDLE DOESN'T GO TOWARDS THE EAST, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY KIND OF THOUGHT OF, I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST PLAN I SAW AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT COME THROUGH THE WEST THAT COULD ALSO THEN CHANGE MAKER CAUSE WE COULD CHANGE PART OF MAKER.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE DESIGN PORTION THAT YOU CAN SAY CODY MILL AND OVERLAY, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, IT'LL BE LOOPED INTO THE COUNTY ROAD, 1 32 THAT'S PRIORITY REQUESTED TO BE PRIORITY ONE, NOT PRIORITY TO THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I WOULD STILL PUT THE REQUEST IN.
UM, BUT I DO AGREE THE 1 32, I THINK INTERCHANGE IS GOING TO CHANGE A LOT.
SO MAYBE THAT IS THE ONLY THING I KNOW THE LAST LARGE PROJECT THAT WE ALL KNOW I'M GOING TO REFER TO, BUT NOT SAY BY NAME OVER THERE, PART OF MAKER WAS GOING TO BE CLOSED BECAUSE IT KIND OF, ONE PART GOES NORTH ONE PART JUST KEEPS GOING EAST.
SO THAT'S STILL AN OPTION I BELIEVE AS WELL IS JUST TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE ROADWAY THAT ISN'T FUNCTIONING ANYMORE.
AND JUST CANCEL THAT OFF THAT RIGHT THERE.
IS IT ALREADY ABANDONED? YEAH, I THINK HE WOULD STILL TALK TO IT'S STILL SHOWS ON.
SO YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY LET'S, LET'S INCLUDE A MILL AND OVERLAY ON MAGER.
FROM KATE'S TO, TO LIMMER AND SUBJECT TO PAYMENTS STUDY.
UM, SO SOME MORE TRAFFIC QUESTIONS.
UM, SO FOR THE MAIN ONES THAT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A MILLION YEARS, IT FEELS LIKE, UM, SO FOR, FOR T1 AND SORRY, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED UP SOME OF THE LATEST PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED.
I KNOW AT ONE POINT IN SEPTEMBER, 2021, THEY OFFICIALLY MOVED THE RIGHT TURN LANE ON 79.
UM, AND WE SPENT AN EXTRA, I DON'T REMEMBER $500,000 FROM THE TO REMOVE IT.
UM, ARE WE FINALLY AT THE STAGE WHERE, SORRY, LET ME FIGURE OUT WHAT MY QUESTION WAS THERE.
SO THE AMOUNT THAT THE 541,000, UM, IS THAT ACTUALLY FOR BUILD-OUT OR IS IT FOR MORE DESIGN WORK? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT DESIGN THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I BELIEVE SOME OF THAT WAS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION OR UM, AND THEN FOR EASEMENT ACQUISITION, I, THE LAST MEETING I WAS IN, I THOUGHT THAT THE DESIGN WAS PRETTY FINALIZED.
I KNOW HAVING WEIGHED ON STAFF HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING SOME OF THESE PUSHED FORWARD A LITTLE BIT FASTER, UM, WITH HOW HE WORKS AND THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MATCHING FUNDS THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR AT LIMOR NODE.
I BELIEVE THAT MATCHING, UH, UH, 79 AND 16, 60, 79, 16, 60, I BELIEVE ONLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE THE CHRISSY GRANT WITH TXDOT, I THOUGHT WE HAD MATCHING ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE AS WELL, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN ON THAT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IF IT ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR MONEY.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD EVER SHOW MATCHING FUNDS.
IT WOULD JUST HELP REDUCE THE BILL AT THE END CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE.
AND AS PART OF THAT SAME INTERSECTION ON, AND SORRY, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE PLANS.
THERE ARE SIDEWALKS INCLUDED IN THAT BUILD-OUT OR IS IT JUST THE ROADWAY? I BELIEVE THERE ARE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTIVITY.
I THINK THERE HAD TO BE, I BELIEVE SO THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD CALL INTO QUESTION AND FROM MY MEMORY WOULD BE 1660 SOUTH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS THE RIGHT.
UM, YOU HAVE TO CRUSH YOU P RIGHT OF WAY.
TYPICALLY THEY DON'T WANT YOU ADDING A SIDEWALK TO CROSS.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN IMAGINE THAT MAY NOT, BUT UM, IF I SEE PLANS, I CAN CERTAINLY THROW THOSE, UM, ONLINE AND SHAREPOINT I'M OVER TO THE GROUP.
NOW I WAS JUST WONDERING WITH THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, AND NOT EVEN THE TRACK PORTION, BUT THE PART THAT'S FRONTING DOWNTOWN.
CAUSE AT THE MOMENT WE HAVE NO SIDEWALK ON THE PORTION FRONTING DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE AS PART OF EVENTS AND CONNECTIVITY AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE.
SO IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE WORK TO EXTEND AND WIDEN THE ROAD,
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HOPEFULLY THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDING THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL DEFINITELY CHECK.IT MAY JUST BE AT THAT INTERSECTION WHERE THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO, UM, JURIS ANY FURTHER NORTH ON 1660, BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOTHING AROUND YOU.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO WIDEN THE ROAD AND ACTION AND ADD AN EXTRA LANE, THAT LANE IS GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY BACK TO FARLEY STREET.
SO SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY WIDENING IT, THEY CAN ALREADY PUT A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE EXTENT, BUT I WILL DOUBLE-CHECK I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WITH THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
CAUSE WE HAVE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS, UM, THAT WERE PRODUCED AS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN RODEO.
UM, AND I WILL DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE I KNOW ON THOSE, I DID SEE SIDEWALKS INCLUDED ON HOW WE WOULD FIT THOSE IN.
AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH SIMPLE CITY AND ENGINEERING TO SAY HOW MUCH RIGHT AWAY WE ACTUALLY HAD BECAUSE WE WERE BASING IT ON WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I KNOW WADE WAS LIKE, OOH, THAT LOOKS AMAZING.
HOWEVER, YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS IN MIND AS WELL.
AND SO THEY REVISED SOME OF THOSE, BUT I BELIEVE EVEN WITH REVISIONS, WE STILL SHOWED SIDEWALKS ON THAT ULTIMATE OF BUILD-OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT HUGE KIND OF TRIANGULAR TRAPEZOIDAL LOOKING THING OFF AT EAST STREET.
I SEEM TO REMEMBER THOSE LAST WEEK AT CAMP AT THE COUNCIL.
I WAS LIKE, I KNOW I'VE SEEN THEM RECENTLY COUNSEL PRESENTATION LAST WEEK.
I THINK I SAW IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
NO, I THINK WE DID BECAUSE IT HAD THE SIDEWALKS AND THE INTERN INTERIOR OR WHATEVER THEY WERE CALLING IT AND MAKER-SPACE AND SOME OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN, UM, REALLY MAKING HENRIETTA ON EAST STREET OF FOCAL POINT, BUT AGAIN ON 1660 ADDING IN THE CONNECTIVITY AND ADDING IN THE SIDEWALKS AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THE TEXTILE IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT THERE ON 1660 AT 79.
UM, CAUSE I KNOW THAT THE DESIGN CONSULTANTS HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH ENGINEERING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WE HAVE TO PLAY WITH BEFORE THEY STARTED, UM, GIVING US REALLY PRETTY PLANS THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ENACT THE PROJECT.
WE DON'T WANT JUST PRETTY PLANS THAT WE CAN'T DO.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S FUNCTIONAL THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE HAPPEN.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO T3, SO THE OTHER 16, 60 AT 79 SHOULD EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE INTERSECTION THAT YOU GO THROUGH EVERY DAY? UM, SO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IN 2019 HAD A LOT OF ISSUES, UM, THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ADDRESSING FRONT STREET AT ALL.
IT WAS ONLY ADDRESSING THE MAIN INTERSECTION.
I, UNLESS I HAVE MISSED IT, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY NEW RELEASE PLANS AT ALL.
AND I KNOW THEY'RE STILL IN WORK BECAUSE OF, UH, UNION PACIFIC AND, AND THEIR PORTION.
BUT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL DESIGN PLANS ARE THEIR UPDATED DESIGN PLANS.
AND HOW IS IT ACTUALLY ADDRESSING FRENCH STREET? BECAUSE THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE PUT SOME TYPE OF SIGNALIZED.
I THOUGHT WE HAD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT PROJECT ACTUALLY EXTENDS SOUTH ALMOST THROUGH THE VALERO PROJECT TO AUSTIN AS FAR AS THE WIDENING.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS SPACE FOR SIGNALIZATION OR SOMETHING.
I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT.
I'M LIKE, CAN WE JUST KIND OF DO AROUND LIKE MAKE ONE OF THEM ONE WAY AUSTIN, THE OTHER WAY.
UM, I'VE BROUGHT THAT UP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO, UM, SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT LOOK BETTER AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T EVER HAPPEN, BUT SOME, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES ON HOW DO YOU MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S THAT CLOSE OTHER CITIES? I MEAN, I, UM, WAS IN MACALLAN AND THEY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR STREET TO FRONT STREET AND IT FUNCTIONS.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SMALLER CITIES HAVE THEM.
AND SO HOW DO WE MAKE OURS FUNCTION JUST AS WELL AND NOT MAKE IT A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE FOR THOSE MORNING COMMUTES OR ANY OTHER TIME OF THE DAY.
BUT, UM, COMMISSIONER LEE, LET ME LOOK AND CHECK WITH WADE IN THE MORNING, UM, AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING.
CAUSE IF WE HAVE IT, IT WOULD HAVE, I THINK, GONE TO COUNCIL LAST MONTH OR SO.
CAUSE I KNOW HE DID AN UPDATE ON THE 1660S, UM, ON THOSE PROJECTS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THOSE, I BELIEVE EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SO.
SO I'LL SEE WHEN THAT HAPPENED IN THAT CAN SEND YOU A LINK, DEFINITELY.
BUT PART OF THAT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS OUR OPPORTUNITY NOW, AS WE'RE SENDING THIS LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IF THEY HAVE NOT INCLUDED SOMETHING, I HIGHLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUDING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT DESIGN MUST INCLUDE SOME KIND OF SIGNALIZATION OR MOVEMENT RESTRICTION AT FRONT STREET OR THAT INTERSECTION WILL FAIL.
SO DO WE NEED TO TRY TO INCLUDE THAT AS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION FOR T3? OR CAN WE JUST WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR BACK? MINE IS INCLUDED, BUT YEAH.
AND I THINK BUDGET WISE, IT IS, I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING PLENTY OF MONEY ON THIS INTERSECTION, BUT LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE RECOMMENDATION WISE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED.
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SO JUST A SUGGESTION FROM STAFF.DO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION OR DO WE JUST WANT TO WAIT AND SEE IF THEY ALREADY HAVE IT IN THE DESIGN? I THINK ON, ON THIS, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE WORST THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED ON THE DESIGN, THEY SAY, GREAT, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
AND IF NOT, AT LEAST THEY KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE A BEST PRACTICE.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE ALL OF THE PLATS COMING FORWARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE AREA.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS IS WHY THE CIP COMES TO P AND Z IS YOU REALLY ARE THAT FIRST RECOMMENDING OR SOMETIMES APPROVING BODY ON DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK SAY IT AND IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR THAT'S AMAZING.
AND IF IT HASN'T AND IT MAKES COUNCIL MAYBE TWEAK SOME THINGS ALL THE BETTER.
I SAY INCLUDE, INCLUDE FRONT ON IT ON T3.
ANYTHING ELSE ON TRAFFIC? HOLD ON.
I READ THROUGH THE TRAFFIC SO MANY TIMES.
UM, I DID ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON THE MEGA SITE STUFF, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO MESS WITH IT.
CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON WITH MEGA SIDE THAT WE HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT.
I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION IS SOMEBODY CAN'T ANSWER IT WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT A NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL, THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS IT RIGHT NOW, EAST WEST TO SEE OUR 1 32 IS FOR THE ENTIRE MEGA SITE.
IS THERE ACTUALLY A PLAN TO ADD ANOTHER US 79 CONNECTION FOR THE MEGA SITE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN 33 49 AND 1 32? NO, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY ON OUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE JUST DID THIS, I THINK ON THURSDAY WITH THE COUNTY AND SOME OTHERS MOSTLY BECAUSE 1 32 OVERPASS AND THEN THERE WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE OVERPASS FOR THE SOUTHEAST SLEEP ON THE 33 49 SIDE.
YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT SHUTTING DOWN THE REST OF THOSE.
AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE REQUEST OF UPP.
THEY REALLY DON'T WANT ANY MORE CROSSINGS NOR DO WE.
IT'S NOT THE SAFEST AND THE USERS DON'T REALLY WANT THEM.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE INTERNAL STREETS TO THAT OVERALL MEGA SITE ON HOW THEY COULD BETTER TRAVERSE TO COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AS WELL AS GETTING OVER TO 33 49 OR WHAT WILL BE THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN ALSO I'M SORRY, THE ONE EAST WEST PORTION OF 1 32, CAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE CONFUSING.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE EAST WEST PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32 TO THEN BE ABLE TO GET TO THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF 1 32.
UM, SO THE LAST MAPS I SHALL SAW WERE MORE FOR THE LARGEST DEPTH OF THAT MEGA SITE PROPERTY ON THAT EAST END, THAT THERE MAY BE A COLLECTOR OR MAJOR COLLECTOR, MINOR ARTERIAL, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR BETTER TRAVERSING TO THE SITES THAT WE DON'T HAVE LANDLOCKED PARCELS.
UM, AND IT WOULD, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I KNOW ORIGINALLY THERE WAS A CONNECTION I THINK HALFWAY THROUGH OVER THAT UPC RAILROAD, BUT I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN OUT, UM, BASED ON THE MAGNESITE AND SOME OF THE USERS.
I DO SEEM TO REMEMBER SOME PLANS, IDEAS, ET CETERA, FOR THAT AREA WHERE THEY DID HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP FROM THE PROPOSED SOUTHEAST LOOP UP IN, BUT IT DID NOT TOUCH 79.
I THINK AT THIS POINT EVERYBODY'S JUST TRYING TO GO OVER NOT, AND I WAS JUST MAKING SURE, BECAUSE I MEAN, BETWEEN, I'M NEVER SPENDING $25 MILLION ON MEGA SITE ROADWAYS, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE CONNECTING.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE EDC IS KIND OF HAN SHOWING A HAN SHOWING THE MEGA SITE, UH, ROADS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN SHARE, I KNOW WITH SOME OF THE USERS, I THINK ON SOME OF OUR THINGS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK WITH BOB IN THE MORNING, UM, AND WAIT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN SHARE WITH YOU ON THAT.
CAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN HAS ONLY BEEN INTERNAL SO THAT WE HAVE REALLY GOOD CONNECTIVITY JUST WITH THE DEPTH OF THE SITE.
ONCE YOU GET CLOSER TO THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF 1 32, I MEAN THE SITES ARE VAST, BUT THEY'RE NOT SO MUCH SO THAT YOU COULDN'T JUST SELL TO ONE USER.
I THINK FURTHER ON THE EAST SIDE THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE USERS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED, UM, ACCESS THAT'S SHARED THROUGH THERE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A PUBLIC STREET.
IT COULD BE THAT THAT IS DONE THROUGH A TOURIST DISTRICT.
OTHER THINGS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TIF EDC IS INVOLVED.
SO THEY COULD ALSO PUT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME WITH COUNCIL, UM, AND THROUGH THREE 80 AND INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN MY LAST ONE, SORRY, MY LAST ONE FOR TRAFFIC, UM, IS, IS KIND OF RELATED TO T FIVE WITH THE LAKESIDE ESTATE SIDEWALKS.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID THE CONTRACT'S ALREADY BEING DONE FOR THAT AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY BIG THING IS WITH CONNECTIVITY.
UM, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE EXCITED STATES.
I KNOW THAT WAS BECAUSE OF SOME OLD PROMISES AND THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET DONE, BUT WHY ARE WE NOT ADDRESSING IN THE CIP OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT DOESN'T
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PLUS OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND AREAS AND PLACES THAT ARE COMPLETELY LACKING CONNECTION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CIP OR DO WE JUST WAIT UNTIL THE MOBILITY PLAN? I WOULD SAY BECAUSE OF WHERE THE MOBILITY PLAN IS, WHAT WE'RE, I THINK IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DISCUSSIONS, IT'S MORE WORD FOCUSING ON WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON WHY WE WENT OUT FOR BONDS, THINGS LIKE THAT.SO THIS IS JUST REALLY THE, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO GET DONE RIGHT NOW? ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES, I THINK EVENTUALLY, ESPECIALLY SEEING WHERE IT COUNCIL'S GOING AND WHERE THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING.
UM, ALSO WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING MORE ON, UM, THE REALLY FUN CONNECTIVITY PROJECTS, I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF WE START LOOKING AT ALL THE FUN CONNECTIVITY PROJECTS, SO WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON HOW TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
WELL, WE KNOW WE HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY A BIGGER CONCERN.
I DON'T, THIS CIPS ARE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO EVERY YEAR.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, YOU GET ANOTHER SHOT AT THIS EVERY YEAR.
UM, CONCEIVABLY, THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD BE RUNNING THESE CIPS.
I THINK NOW WITH ANGIE ON BOARD AND HER INVOLVEMENT IN THE CIP AND KIND OF SHEPHERDING THIS PROJECT THROUGH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE OF, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS A BEST PRACTICE.
THIS IS HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE WITH THE BUDGET.
IT CAN'T BE A WISHLIST LIKE PRIOR ITEMS. THAT WAS A GREAT CIP.
IT WASN'T REALLY, SO LET'S ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING TOGETHER LIKE THIS.
UM, I THINK, CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A CIP, I THINK THIS IN-DEPTH SINCE FOUR YEARS AGO, I THINK WHEN WE HAD, UM, PROBABLY MATT RECTOR WAS THE ENGINEER I THINK IS THE LAST TIME YOU'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE CIP AND IT WAS AT THIS, UM, THIS LEVEL OF WAS IT 18 OR 19, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 18 OR 19.
IF HE WAS HERE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN 18.
CAUSE I KNOW HE PRESENTED WHEN I FIRST STARTED, HE WAS PRESENTING AT COUNCIL AND SOME OTHERS AND WE HAD A PRETTY IN-DEPTH CIP.
AND SINCE THEN WE REALLY HAVEN'T.
SO I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SOME CHANGES THERE CERTAINLY IT'S UM, IT IS A MAIN FOCUS THAT YOU'LL SEE AT THE C PACK MEETING.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE THERE JUST WANT TO ATTEND FOR FUN.
UM, CONNECTIVITY IS A REALLY BIG ISSUE IN THERE.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND HOW DO WE MAKE THE COMMUNITY CONNECT AS ONE, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THIS MASSIVE EAST WEST BARRIER BETWEEN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDES OF TOWN.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS REGARDING YOUR GROWTH SCENARIOS, CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS A MODERATE GROWTH SCENARIO VERSUS AN AGGRESSIVE GROWTH SCENARIO? WE MIGHT'VE BLOWN BOTH OF THEM OUT OF THE WATER AT THIS POINT.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE 2 MILLION WELL, LOOKING AT A WW OH SIX, THE BOTTOM ONE SAYS AGGRESSIVE GROWTH SCENARIO.
THE SECOND, THE SECOND ONE WWO TWO IS MODERATE GROWTH SCENARIO.
SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY POTENTIAL CONNECTIONS WE'RE HAVING OR PROJECTING, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS MODERATE VERSUS AGGRESSIVE GROWTH? BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST AGGRESSIVE GROWTH.
WE'VE BEEN AGGRESSIVE FOR FEW YEARS NOW.
SO YEAH, I WILL DEFINITELY SAY IN THE WATER WASTE MONSTERS MASTER PLANS, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO GET WORKSHOP TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 15TH.
UM, AND THEN IT WILL BE GOING TO COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO CERTAINLY THE WORKSHOPS ARE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU DON'T GET TO SPEAK OF YOUR PART, NOT PART OF COUNCIL OR THE STAFF PRESENTING, BUT IT'S STILL REALLY GOOD INFORMATION JUST TO KIND OF HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH AND SHOWING THEM HOW WE HAVE BEEN GROWING AND THAT'S INFORMATION COMING OUT OF MY SIDE OF THE, UM, OF THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, THAT THERE WAS A, THIS, THIS, I THINK YOU CAN SUSTAIN THIS, WHICH IS THE MODERATE.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE TRACK OF, OH MY GOODNESS.
IF YOU KEEP GOING ON THE SAME PATH YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS AS AGGRESSIVE, UM, MOST PLACES CAN NOT MAINTAIN THAT AGGRESSIVE TRACK, BUT WE STILL WANT TO PLAN FOR IT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SEEN SOME FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE GROWTH HERE, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE SO IS THE MODERATE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MAY SEE IN THE EXISTING BUDGET, NOT THE ONE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND SPOKEN ABOUT SO MUCH, IS IT 2021 WAS AN ANOMALY THAT WE HAD SO MANY SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS COMING UP.
UM, WE KNEW IN THAT TIMEFRAME THAT WE WERE, I WAS EXPECTING WITH, UM, ANGIE RIOS, THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR 2020 NUMBERS AFTER SEEING WHAT WE DID IN AUGUST.
WE WERE AT OUR 2020 NUMBERS OR I MEAN, WE'RE ALMOST RIGHT IN LINE.
SO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED.
I MEAN, EVEN FOR MY STAFF, WE'RE LIKE, IT DOESN'T STOP THERE.
JUST NOT STOPPING BECAUSE WE WENT FROM
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550 FOR SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS, I THINK IN 2019 TO 821 IN 2020.AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S A BIG YEAR TO OVER A THOUSAND LAST YEAR.
AND NOW WE'RE TRACKING MORE LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK TO THAT 800 RANGE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS MODERATE, WHICH IS STILL FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE.
I MEAN, WE'RE GROWING STILL AT AN EIGHT TO 10% GROWTH RATE, WHICH IS WITH OUR LEAN OR UNDERSTAFFED LEVELS.
THAT'S A LOT FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO TAKE ON ALL AT ALL TIMES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S ALMOST UNSUSTAINABLE AND WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT LET'S GO FOR THE MODERATE BECAUSE MODERATE IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET US WHERE WE NEED TO DO.
I'M THINKING MODERATE IS PROBABLY IN MY MIND IS PROBABLY THREE TO 5%.
UM, NO, I THINK IT WAS STILL HIGHER THAN THAT.
I THINK IT MAY HAVE STILL BEEN SIX TO EIGHT AND I THINK WE WERE STILL A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
I KNOW THAT THAT IS GOING TO GET, BUT UM, STAY APPRISED OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COUNCIL JENISE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS GOING TO, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE, WHICH I HAVE IT HERE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP ON THE 15TH OR COUNCIL ON THE 15TH ON 1 0 6.
THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT THE, IT IS.
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOW THIS, BUT I DO HAVE A DRAFT OF, UM, THE WORKSHOP FOR SEPTEMBER 15TH AND IT IS ONLY THE WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN.
AND WE ARE LIVE STREAMING THOSE AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
BUT I DO REMEMBER EVEN THE CONSULTANTS WERE LIKE, THAT'S A VERY AGGRESSIVE GROWTH RATE.
AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
BUT WE KNEW THAT WE WERE SLOWING DOWN A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS THE AGGRESSIVE WAS EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE.
10 TO 15% MODERATE WAS STILL KIND OF THE CLIP THAT WE'RE GOING AT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND SO ON AND THAT ALL DEFINITELY NEEDS.
WE NEED TO START PLANNING IT AT THE SAME COST, 39, 40 MILLION A YEAR, A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS NOW.
THAT'S, WE'LL CALL IT A 120 MIL.
SO YEAH, I MEAN THAT THAT'S BIG.
IT'S GOT TO HAPPEN OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, TCEQ IS GOING TO ABSOLUTELY MURDER US.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S AGGRESSIVE.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT TCQ DOES HAVE THOSE PERMITS IN ALREADY.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PLANNING FOR.
SO ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT BE LISTED OUT IN HERE, TCQ, WE DO HAVE THE APPROVALS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE DESIGN.
SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL COME OUT IN THAT WAY AT WATER WASTE, WATER MASTER PLAN AND APPROVAL IS X AMOUNT OF MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO IN AND ACTUALLY SHOW DESIGNS IN THE REST.
BUT WE HAVE HAD THOSE IN WITH TCQ CAUSE TCQ CAN BE A LOT TO GET THROUGH ANYWAY.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO KIND OF YOUR PRE-APPROVALS AND THE REST OF THE EXPIRATION DATE ON THOSE YEARS.
CAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT EXPIRING IN TIMES.
OH MAN, IT'S A 40 MILLION A YEARS WHAT'S NEEDED.
THAT'S CRAZY THAT NONE OF THE, I MEAN, SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE HAD TO PUT IN THEIR PORTIONS, BUT IT'S CRAZY THAT NONE OF THIS COSTS WAS REDUCED BY WHAT DEVELOPERS HAVE HAD TO INCLUDE.
WE WEREN'T CHARGING THOSE FIELDS FOR WE'VE NOW TO IMPACT THESE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
SO ANYTHING ON THE PRICES ON THE WASTEWATER, MINE WAS JUST WHY 40 MILLION A YEAR.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT ANSWER.
THAT'S JUST A, A PLUGIN NUMBER.
DO YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IT'S 40 MILLION A YEAR JUST TO PLUG IN.
I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
GOD, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IN PLANNING, MY BUDGET IS SO SMALL COMPARED TO ABOUT PUBLIC WORK STAFF.
AND SO THERE ARE DAYS WHERE I SEE THIS AND I'M JUST LIKE, THIS IS JUST, THAT'S A LOT.
IT'S THE CITY MANAGER, WELCOME TO OUR HOOD.
UH, IT SHOULD BE, MAYBE I'M NOT HEARING YOU TEST.
MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD, JAMES, OUR CITY MANAGER OF HOW TO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THE REASON THAT THEY ESTABLISHED THE 40 MILLION IS THAT WAS
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THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS ABLE TO BE ISSUED IN DEBT.IF WE WERE TO MAXIMIZE THE INS PORTION OF THE DEBT RATE AND MAINTAINING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO ESSENTIALLY $40 MILLION AT A TIME.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, WELL YOU CAN ALWAYS RAISE THE INS PORTION OF THE TAX RATE AND ISSUE MORE DEBT.
UM, BUT THERE IS A, A VERY FINE BALANCING ACT THAT HAS TO GO ON WHENEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH DEBT YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY AS A CITY, HOW OFTEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT FOR NEW DEBT ISSUANCES AND HOW, UH, AGGRESSIVE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON MAKING THOSE DEBT PAYMENTS.
UNLIKE OUR TRADITIONAL MORTGAGES AND CAR LOANS THAT MOST OF US ARE USED TO OPERATING WITH THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ISSUE DEBT, THAT THAT CAN BE STRUCTURED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK IF YOU EQUATE IT TO LIKE MAYBE A MORTGAGE YOU COULD HAVE IN ESSENCE, THE 30 YEAR FIXED PAYMENT, OR YOU COULD HAVE A VARIABLE FIVE-YEAR ARM THAT HAS AN INTEREST RATE TODAY AND YOU PAY MORE MONEY UP FRONT, IT'S GOT BALLOON PAYMENTS.
YOU CAN DO THAT IN DEBT STRUCTURES TOO.
SO THE 43 40 $4 MILLION WAS HOW MUCH THE BOND COUNCIL, THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR AND OUR FINANCE STAFF FELT WE COULD ISSUE REASONABLY, UM, WITH THE 0.1, FIVE, SIX O INS RATE.
NOW COUNCIL THEN LATER ELECTED TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT THIS YEAR.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE FUTURE, YOUR CIP DOLLARS, UH, UH, EFFECTIVELY CHANGE.
QUICK QUESTION SINCE I'VE GOT HERE, UM, THAT, THAT 120 MILLION THEN IS THAT ESSENTIALLY THE TOTAL PRICE TAG FOR THIS, UH, A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT UPGRADE? DOES IT EXTEND BEYOND 44 OR ARE WE LOOKING AT, WE'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE BEYOND 20, 26? WELL, THE $120, SHOULDN'T BE JUST FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT UPGRADE.
UM, YOU CERTAINLY WILL BE DOING ANOTHER EXPANSION ON THE HILLS OF THE ONE FOR 20, 26.
UM, TO PUT IT MORE INTO PERSPECTIVE, UM, I JUST HAD BUILT A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND A NEW UPGRADE, UH, IN MY PREVIOUS CITY.
AND, UH, IT WAS A ONE AND A HALF MGD EXPANSION ON A THREE MGD PLANT, BUT WE ALSO BUILT THE HEADWORKS, WHICH IS THE FRONT PART OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHERE THAT GETS ALL THE WASTEWATER INTO THE BASINS FOR TREATMENT.
WE BUILT THAT AND THE RECEIVING LINES FOR 9 MILLION GALLONS.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR, OUR FORWARD-THINKING RIGHT.
AND THAT CAME AT A PRICE TAG OF ABOUT 32 OR $33 MILLION.
AND THAT IS LITERALLY, I THINK THEY JUST CHRISTEN THAT AND CUT THE RIBBON ON IT, LIKE WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR SO.
BECAUSE UNTIL WE'RE COMPLETELY BUILT OUT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP WITH THE WASTEWATER STUFF.
SO YOUR WASTEWATER PLAN, I THINK, HAS US GOING UP TO A 12 TO 15 MGD? UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER.
I'M PLAYING A LITTLE LOOSE ON THE MATH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE CURRENT PLANT EXPANDABLE OR IS THIS MONEY FOR AN ADDITIONAL PLAN? WE ARE EXPANDABLE.
SO TODAY'S TECHNOLOGIES ARE USUALLY BUILT WHERE AS LONG AS THE FRONT END OF THE, UH, OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CAN HANDLE THE FLOWS.
I EAT THE HEADWORKS, WHICH IS THE TERM I JUST USED.
YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ADD ADDITIONAL TREATMENT TRAINS, UH, TO THE PLANT.
IT'S I WOULDN'T CALL IT COMPLETELY MODULAR.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE, BUT IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY THE WAY THAT IT WORKS.
SO YOU ADD ADDITIONAL TREATMENT TRAINS, SO YOU CAN HANDLE MORE VOLUME, BUT THEN USUALLY TCEQ THEN REQUIRES, OH, WELL NOW YOU NEED TO BE TREATING FOR PHOSPHORUS AND YOU WEREN'T DOING THAT BEFORE, OR MAYBE THEY CHANGE YOUR PERMIT A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO IN A WAY THEY ARE MODULAR AND EXPANDABLE, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY ONE-TO-ONE.
ANYTHING ELSE ON WASTEWATER? WELL, LET'S MOVE ON TO WATER.
ANYTHING ON WATER? UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING, UH, LET'S SEE, I THINK IT'S, UH, W NINE, UH, SORRY.
W 10 AND W 15, THE MEGASITE WATERLINES.
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OR NOT? THESE, I BELIEVE ARE JUST OUR COSTS.UM, IF THERE IS ANY PARTICIPATION, IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THIS, BUT NOT INCLUDED ON THE CIP AS MY UNDERSTANDING.
CAUSE I KNOW THERE, INCLUDING WE WE'VE GOT MEGA SITE ROAD PROJECTS, BUT EDCS INJECTING INTO THAT AND WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE WATER, I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS POINT IT IS, UNLESS IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO OUTPACE US FOR A PROJECT.
UM, I CAN CERTAINLY DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE IF BOB HAD THAT SAME.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, I THINK THE PRIORITIES AND THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES LOOK PRETTY SOLID.
UM, THE ONE THING I DON'T SEE ON HERE AT ALL IS THE, UH, BRACKISH WATER TREATMENT.
UH, NO IT WASN'T BRACKISH WATER TREATMENT.
WHAT WAS IT? UH, THE ACTUAL TERM, THE INJECTION WELLS INJECTING INTO THE AQUIFER.
I THINK THERE'S AN UPDATE IN THE WATER MASTER PLAN FOR THAT.
IT'S THE CHAIR AGAIN, JAMES, OUR CITY MANAGER, UH, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ASR, AQUIFER, STORAGE AND RECOVERY.
UM, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A STRATEGY THAT WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH.
WE'RE JUST EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT RISKS WITH ASR HERE.
UH, MOST NOTABLY YOU DON'T OWN THE RIGHTS TO THE WATER ONCE THEY'RE IN THE GROUND BECAUSE THERE'S NO GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO CONTROL WITHDRAWALS.
SO THAT IS A STRATEGY THAT WE'RE PURSUING TO, TO HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN THE OVERALL PORTFOLIO.
BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AGREED THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE WHY IT'S NOT HERE THEN.
SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON WATER? ALL RIGHT.
WELL THEN WE HAVE MADE A BUNCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS, ONLY SEVEN TO MY ACCOUNT.
HOW MANY ARE YOU COUNTED ON? I HAVE SEVEN RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO YOU ARE 1 99 TO TWO MAJOR EXCHANGE, SEVEN, JUST PUT THE NUMBERS ON MINE INSTEAD OF THE ROADS.
DO WE NEED TO LIST THESE IN THE MOTION THAT WE MAKE? WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND IF YOU WANT TO SEND THAT TO ME, I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD SEND THAT TO ME.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON AT LEAST THOSE OVERARCHING PROJECT NAMES OR NUMBERS THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT.
AND THEN IF I CAN ALSO HAVE YOUR LIST, CAUSE I CAN MAKE THAT MEMO FOR THE FULL RECORD.
AND WE DID IT VERY SLOWLY THEN AND EVERYBODY CAN CHIME IN IF THERE'S SOMETHING I MISSED.
UM, AND YEAH, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.2.
I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE CIP TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, PROPOSE MOVING T SIX UP TO PRIORITY ONE DUE TO SAFETY ISSUES OF NEEDED OVERPASS PLUS PROPOSED BUILDING OUT INITIAL SMALL ROADWAY BRIDGE, UM, SOONER, POTENTIALLY 20, 24 FOLLOWED BY ACCOMPANYING BRIDGE LATER AS REQUIRED SUGGEST ADDING A SIGNAL OR OTHER FIXED IMMEDIATELY.
SO THAT'S 1 30, 2 NUMBER TWO PROPOSE MOVING TEETH 13 UP TO PRIORITY TWO DUE TO THE SMALL COST AMOUNT OF A BIG BENEFIT TO FIX BAD ROADWAY.
MAKE SURE IT INCLUDES THE ENTIRE SPACE SEGMENT.
CAUSE THAT'S FRONT STREET, FRONT STREET FRONT, CERTAINLY FROM FRONT STREET.
A NUMBER THREE PROPOSE EDITION OF INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS FOR EXCHANGE BOULEVARD IN U S 79, SUGGESTING AT MINIMUM TWO LESS THAN ONE, RIGHT ALONG WITH RECOMMENDATION OF FULL TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED FROM US 79 TO THE SCHOOL ABOUT IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, REHABILITATION OF ROADWAY, POTENTIAL ADDITION OF SIGNALS, ET CETERA.
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ELSE FOR THAT ONE? OKAY.UM, ADDING EXTENSIVE IMPROVEMENTS AND INCREASING FUNDING TO INCLUDE SOME WIDENING TRAFFIC SIGNALS, RESTRICTED MOVEMENTS AND OTHER SAFETY MEASURES ALONG THE ENTIRE SEGMENT FROM US 79 TILL LIMOR LOOP SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE ADDING RIGHT TURN LANE AT EACH LEG OF LIMMER LOOP AND INVESTIGATE WHO COVERS THE COST OF THE SIGNAL AT LIVE OAK.
SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT IS EDGE IN CASE LIKE A WHERE'S WALDO HERE.
WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 1, 2, 4, 5 PROPOSED MILL AND OVERLAY OF MEAGER LANE BETWEEN KATE'S WAY IN LIMOR LOOP DEPENDENT ON RESULTS OF GIS PAVEMENT STUDY PRIORITIZATION.
COMMISSIONER LEE, WHAT WAS THE SECOND STREET? WAS IT 1 32 FOR THAT ONE? YEAH.
WE DECIDED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO LEHMER NUMBER SIX, NUMBER SIX, PROPOSE IN T3 THAT THE DESIGN INCLUDES REQUIREMENT FOR SIGNALIZATION AT FRENCH STREET AS PART OF LARGER PROJECT IN COORDINATE SIGNALIZATION WITH US 79.
AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, UM, ADD REFERENCES TO WHICH YEARS WILL BE ALLOCATED TO SPECIFIC MASTER PLAN UPDATES.
SHOULD I PUT DEPENDENT ON LEGAL OR SHOULD DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT YOU NEEDED TO ADD LEGAL ABOUT.
I WILL STILL BE ASKING LEGAL STUFF, SO WE'LL JUST, OKAY.
AND WE'LL GET YOU CLARIFICATION ON THAT, ON IF WE CAN.
AND MY QUESTION WAS MORE SO AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, UM, FROM CHAIRPERSON, HUDSON, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE SO ASKING, CAN A MASTER PLAN BE FUNDED OR SHOULD BE FUNDING BE SHOWN ON A CIP.
UM, BUT THEN TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER LEE, IT WAS ALSO THEN ADD AN ASTERISK OF MAYBE THIS IS COMBINED TO THE 2018.
IF THIS IMPROVEMENT IS OCCURRING, THAT IS BASED ON THE 2018 MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, JUST TO GIVE SOME FOOTNOTE REFERENCES ON WHERE WE ARE COMING UP WITH THAT DESIGN OR THE PRIORITIZATION.
SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION UNLESS I MISSED SOMETHING.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR, LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO, MOVING ON TO 4.3 DISCUSSION ON AMENDING SECTIONS, 10.60 9.4 0.1, LAND DEDICATION, 10.6 A 9.5 0.3 FEE INSTEAD OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, 10.60 9.6 0.2 USABILITY AND 10.6 AND 9.6 0.5 ACCESS TO UPDATE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND FEES RELATED TO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE, DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS.
GOOD EVENING, UH, FOR THE RECORD, SAY, UH, JEFF WHITE PARK SUPERINTENDENT.
AND, UH, WITH ME HERE IS PERRY SFR WHO JOINED US SHORTLY.
UM, WANT TO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION ONLY ITEM RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS FOR REALLY OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE HAVE TWO COMPONENTS OF THAT, THE LAND AND THE FEES.
SO WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THAT.
SO WHAT ARE PARKLAND FEES? THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ORDINANCE IS COMPRISED OF THREE ELEMENTS.
THE LAND REQUIREMENT, THE FEE IN LIEU OF ALTERNATE TO LAND REQUIREMENT AND THE PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE.
BASICALLY THE COVER COST OF TRANSFORMING YOUR LAND INTO A PARK, A DEVELOPMENT FEES OR GROWING SUPPORT PARK IMPROVEMENTS OR ADDITIONAL MANATEES.
UH, THE LAND IS GREAT, BUT IT COSTS MONEY TO BUILD PARKS.
UH, THE END OF A FEE IS REALLY A LAND INTO IN THE DEVELOPER.
DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD TRACT OF LAND AND THEY PAY THE FEES OR IF THEY DON'T MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, THEY PAY THE FEES, UH, TYPICALLY ASKED TO ACCEPT, UH, UNACCEPTABLE LAND OR LAND THEY CAN'T DEVELOP.
SO SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE PARKLAND, THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING PART IS THE FIRST PARKLAND ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN THE STATE OF MONTANA IN 1919 FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING
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THE PUBLIC COMFORT, WELFARE AND SAFETY, THE SUCH PLAT AND SURVEY MOST SHOW AT LEAST ONE NIGHT OF THE PLANET AREAS EXCLUSIVE OF STREETS IS FOREVER DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC FOR PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS.SO JUST IN CASE YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT RULED IN 1984, THAT WE ARE LOUD TO CHARGE THIS FEE AS WELL AS THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
SO ONE OF OUR CURRENT FEES, UH, CURRENT FEES FOR PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT IS 500 FOR RESIDENTIAL 800 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL 300 FOR, UM, THE PARKLAND LIEU OF DEDICATION FOR 300 FOR RESIDENTIAL, 1 75 FOR MULTIFAMILY.
SO HERE'S SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND KIND OF WHERE WE COMPARE QUICK QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHEN YOU SAY NON-RESIDENTIAL UNIT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES OR IS THERE A PORTION OF, UH, COMMERCIAL RATE? YEAH, WE CAN CHARGE THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCIES IN THE LANGUAGE RELATED TO WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CHARGE RELATED TO THAT.
'CAUSE I WAS KIND OF THINKING THAT IN THE SENSE OF INDUSTRIAL, WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL GOING IN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW TO SAY THAT IF WE HAVE SO MANY ACREAGES OF INDUSTRIAL GOING IN THEIR REQUIREMENT TO HAVE PARKLAND AND IS THEIR FEE WOULD BE THAT THEN MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING, BUT WASN'T IT PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
WHAT KIND OF GET INTO OH, SO THAT FEE IS OKAY, RIGHT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IT MAY BE A SINGLE ENTITY ON, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, BUT THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO PAY WHAT A HUNDRED TIMES.
SO SEE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, UH, THAT WE COLLECTED DATA FROM.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF AUSTIN KIND OF THROWS EVERYTHING OUT OF WHACK.
SO YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM AVERAGES WITH AUSTIN AND WITHOUT AUSTIN, THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIALS.
WE ARE DEFINITELY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST RIGHT THERE, BUDA.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS US APPROXIMATELY COST BECAUSE LIKE WE SAID, ON THE ROADS, IT WAS 50% HIGHER OVER FOUR YEARS.
SO THIS, THIS PRICE IS GOING UP EVERY DAY.
SO BASICALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, WHAT WE CONSIDER THREE TO FIVE ACRE PARK, UH, IT WAS GOING TO COST US $597,000 GIVE OR TAKE, UH, DOC PARK, UH, IS ABOUT 500,000 AS WELL.
NOW, CLUES ARCHITECTURE, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT AMENITIES THAT GO INTO THE PARKING LOT RESTROOMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO EVEN SOME OF OUR SMALLER PARKS COST US A HALF, A MILLION DOLLARS.
ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THIS, UM, I KNOW WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING TREE, UM, FEES IN LIEU OF TREES, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE COST OF IRRIGATING, THESE TREES.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS CAPTURED ON THESE FEES? HEY, IT'S GOING TO COST US, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OF IRRIGATION OR WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FIVE YEARS OF IRRIGATION AS PART OF THAT FEE, OR IS THAT NOT INCLUDED AT ALL? THAT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED THIS BECAUSE MA MAINTENANCE OF THESE PARKS WE'VE SEEN HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH COVID THE PANDEMIC AND FUNDING.
AND I THINK CAPTURING SOME METHOD TO ENSURE THAT THAT DOESN'T BECOME A PROBLEM WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE IRRIGATION IN A PUBLIC PARK OR AN HOA AREA IN A PUBLIC PARK.
IF, IF THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND IRRIGATION COSTS, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE LACK OF, WAS IT EARLY THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR WHERE WE HAD VOLUNTEERS SAYING WE'LL POUR MULCH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT.
IF WE CAN CAPTURE THAT INTO OUR FEE SYSTEM IN SOME WAY, PERRIER SHAPE, LIKE NOPE.
THAT'S TO CHECK IN HERE BASICALLY WHAT THESE, WHAT THESE FEES ARE IS FOR PARK ACQUISITION.
SO ANY MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD COME INTO THESE PARKS AFTERWARDS THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD DO.
I CAN GIVE YOU A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE IN GLENWOOD, THEY GAVE LESS THAN AN ACRE OF LAND AND PUT A SPLASH PAD IN CITY TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THAT.
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SO BASICALLY IT'S JUST PARK ACQUISITION.THAT'S WHAT THESE FEES ARE TO COVER.
IF THEY HAVE DECENT LAND AND IF IT FITS OUR NEEDS, WE CAN ACCEPT SOME LAND IN LIEU OF THE FULL FEE, SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED AT CARMEL CREEK, WHERE THEY HAVE A TRAIL THAT LINKS UP WITH TWO TRAILS IT'S FLOODPLAIN, BUT WE NEEDED THAT TO COMPLETE A TRAIL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
SO WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND BY THE WAY, AUSTIN'S FIXING TO REALLY SKEW THE THING, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO $11,000 A HOUSE.
I HAVE THE ARTICLE RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT SERIOUSLY, $11,000 LEAVING OFTEN, WHICH MEANS THAT THE HOMEOWNER'S GOING TO PAY THAT.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT PARK ACQUISITION, ANYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT NOW BECOMES PART OF THE PARKS, RECREATION BUDGET.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY WE CAN GO TO A DEVELOPER AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY $1,500 PER ROOFTOP TO LET US PURCHASE SOME PARKLAND.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HIT YOU UP FOR AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO IRRIGATE THE TREES.
NO, I, I WAS, I WAS LOOKING AT MORE LIKE, OKAY, IT'S, LET'S CALL IT $800 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT MAINTENANCE, IRRIGATION, MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, PER FOR THAT SIZE IS GOING TO COST THIS MUCH.
I THINK YOU'RE GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS.
I THINK IF WE JUST DO A ROOFTOP, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR FEE.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN A THOUSAND HOUSES, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR THOSE THOUSAND HOUSES BY PHASE.
UH, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT COMES UP, THAT ALL COMES INTO BUDGET AND OKAY.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE PARKS GETTING INTO A, A MONEY CRUNCH, RIGHT? LIKE WE'VE SEEN VERY RECENTLY, BUT DON'T FORGET.
THIS IS A PARK ACQUISITION FEE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MONEY.
THAT'S FLOWING INTO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO TAKE CARE OF CURRENT PARKS.
COULD BE TO EXPAND A CURRENT PARK.
IT COULD BE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN A CURRENT ARC, BUT PRIMARILY IT'S FOR PARK ACT PARKLAND ACQUISITION.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
SO HERE'S A SLIDE THAT SAYS KIND OF WHAT OUR CURRENT FEES ARE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE THREE HUNDRED AND ONE SEVENTY FIVE, UM, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, THE 500 FOR PARKLAND.
AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A, TO GO UP TO 900, UM, FOR THE, IN LIEU OF FEE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, 600 FOR THE PARKLAND.
SO INSTEAD OF 800, IT GOES TO 1500.
AND THEN SO THE SINGLE FAMILY GOES FROM 6 75 TO A THOUSAND.
LIKE I SAID, THAT KIND OF CORRELATES TO WHERE WE WERE ON THAT PREVIOUS CHART OF THE AVERAGES WITHOUT US AROUND OR BEING AROUND 1500.
SO CURRENTLY A 500 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WOULD PAY $400,000 IN PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE, A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT OR TOWNHOUSE.
SO WHATEVER IS CATEGORIZED AS LABELED, AS ZONED AS MULTI-FAMILY BY 202,500, UH, THE PROPOSED FEES, THAT NUMBER WOULD GO UP TO 700,000 OR 50,000 AND $300,000.
SO YOU JUST SEE THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT OF 500 HOME DEVELOPMENT COULD POTENTIALLY FUND A NEW PARK FOR ITSELF.
AND THE, YEAH, THIS IS 60 TO 70% INCREASE, WHICH SHOULD HELP WITH ACQUISITION AND THAT MAINTENANCE.
SO WHAT ARE THE MA THERE'S A COUPLE OF MAJOR CHANGES.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY GOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE FLOOD PLAIN LAND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE AREA THAT THEY TENDS TO BE DONATED OR ZONED AS PARKLAND.
AND IN THE CASE OF CHROME OR CREEK THAT IS FLOODPLAIN LAND, AND THAT DID HELP US ULTIMATELY BE ABLE TO CONNECT INTO THE WILCO TRAIL.
SO IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT SOMETIMES WE GET ASKED TO TAKE PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT ON OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN.
DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY ISSUES AND JUST KIND OF OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
UH, AND WE'LL, IT TAKES A YEAR TO DEVELOP IT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF ASKING, WE'RE ASKING, UH, TO ELIMINATE THE FLOOD PLAIN AS WELL AS THE SECOND PART IS THE PRIVATE PARKS.
UH, SOMETIMES DEVELOPERS WANT TO SEE IF CREDIT FOR HOA PARKS THAT NOT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY CAN USE.
AND SO WE'D RATHER NOT DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.
UH, THE FEE OF, IN LIEU OF WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE ADDITIONAL OFFI PAYMENTS MUST BE USED FOR THE ACQUISITION OF FUTURE PARK
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LAND OR PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS.I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE, BUT IT'S KIND OF VAGUE.
IT'S LIKE ONE PLACE, BUT NOT ANOTHER ONE.
SO IT'D BE NICE TO JUST CLEAN IT UP.
UH, THE REALLY THE ONE THING THAT WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON IS THIS NEXT ONE.
UH, SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE FEES IN LIEU OF DEDICATION REQUIRE THAT WE TAKE NO LESS THAN 15 ACRES AND PARKS BOARD.
THIS WAS PRESENTED AT PARKS BOARD TWICE.
WE WENT OVER IT TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT MINDS, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIALOGUES HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
AND THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT THEY KIND OF LANDED ON.
NOW, WHY DID WE LAND ON THAT NUMBER? UM, WE TOOK OUR SURVEY RESULTS FOR OUR MOST RECENT PARKS MASTER PLAN.
AND IF YOU ON HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT, 41% OF THE RESPONSE SAY THEY WANT THE LARGE 200 ACRE PARK.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A 200 ACRE PARK.
BEN HADOW, THAT IS A GARRY PARK, OH, SETTLERS PARK, THOSE THINGS, UH, 72%.
SO THEY WANTED A 25 ACRE PARK THAT IS FRITZ PARK AT A MORE GAIN, KIND OF IT BEEN ON A BIGGER SCALE THAT, AND 45% SAID THEY WANTED A 15 ACRE APART MORE.
SO WE LOOKED AT THIS NUMBER AND SAID, OKAY, AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE RESPONDERS WANTED 15 ACRES OR MORE IN THEIR PARKLAND.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE NRPA NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDS ROUGHLY 9.9 ACRES PER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
SO I'LL LOOK TODAY BASED ON OUR CENSUS POPULATION OF 30,000 8 55, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT ACCURATE AS WE WOULD ALL SHAKE OUR HEADS, BUT WE NEED 305 ACRES.
SO EVEN AT THAT LOW POPULATION AMOUNT, WE ARE STILL HALFWAY TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO EVEN IF WE ACCOUNT FOR, BECAUSE THIS LIST DOESN'T INCLUDE THE CARMEL CREEK TRAIL, WHICH IS, IS THAT PARKLAND OR NOT? SO LET'S THROW THAT IN THERE AND, OR THE RIVERWALK SPORTS COMPLEX, WHICH BELONGED TO THE CITY.
SO EVEN AT THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 40 ACRES.
WE'RE STILL A HUNDRED ACRES BEHIND ON OUR 30,000 8 55 POPULATION.
SO I KNOW THAT ONE'S PARKS BOARD HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THAT AND WE'D APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE ON THAT.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
WELL, I LIKED THE 15 ACRES AS A MINIMUM BECAUSE THIS IS A CITY PARK.
THIS ISN'T A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.
THIS ISN'T AN HOA PARK OR A PLAYGROUND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY IN THE CITY CAN SHOW UP TO ONE OF THESE PARKS.
AND I THINK 15 ACRES AS A BARE MINIMUM IS NOT A BAD WAY TO GO.
I PERSONALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BUMP IT TO 25, BUT IF PARKS, IF PARKS IS ALL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOOD WITH 15, ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO 15.
I, I TAKE THEIR, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATION BETTER THAN MY SWAG.
SO JUST TO, SORRY, I'M MIGHT BE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT I'M LEARNING WHAT THIS NOW WITH ALL THE FEES AS I'M LEARNING FROM YOU GUYS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE ULTIMATELY SAYING HERE IS THIS FEE.
AND LOU, YOU'RE SAYING THAT AFTER THE CALCULATION, IF IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN 15 ACRES, THAT IT WILL REQUIRE THEM TO PAY A FEE THAT WE DON'T WANT A PROPERTY THAT'S LESS THAN 15 ACRES BECAUSE BASED ON THE CITIZENS, THEY DON'T WANT PARKS LESS THAN THAT.
LET ME, LET ME TWEAK MY RESPONSE.
SO IF THEY HAVE PROPER, IF THE DEVELOPER COMES IN HAS PROPERTY, THAT IT CONNECTS TO A EXISTING TRAIL OR A BIG, GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S IN A FLOOD PLAIN OR NOT, AND WE CAN WORK AROUND IT, WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SEE IF WE CAN TAKE THAT.
IF THEY JUST GIVE US THIS CORNER LAND, THEY CAN'T DEVELOP THAT'S IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PURPOSE FOR IT.
DOESN'T HAVE A LONG RANGE PLAN.
THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE ACCOMMODATION TO PROVIDE THE 15 ACRES THAT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN OR PAY THE IN LIEU A FEE.
AND WITH THAT EXPLANATION, I WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE AT LEAST 15 ACRES.
I WOULD ALMOST SAY MORE, BUT I MEAN, 15 WORKS.
UM, THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND TOO, IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, BUT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT NOT, IS NOT HAPPENING WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
AND SO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TRUMPS ANYTHING WE AGREE UPON HERE.
SO IF IT'S A DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT THEY ONLY GIVE US FIVE ACRES, WE HAVE TO, I'VE CHECKED A DOUBLE-CHECK TO TRIPLE CHECK.
WE HAVE TO HEAR TO THAT LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT.
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AS WE GROW AND DEVELOP THAT NOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS, SO HAPPENING IN THE ETJ AND THEY'RE COMING INTO THE CITY LIMITS.YOU KNOW, BUT THAT REQUIRES A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, CORRECT.
SO, UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS AND, UH, YEAH, I GET IT.
SO LIKE SHE MENTIONED ONE FROM WHAT WAS IT? COTTON BROOK FROM 2006.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME PARKLAND FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM 15 YEARS AGO.
SO, UH, THE OTHER CHANGE, THE LAST CHANGE THAT WE RECOMMENDED WAS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, JUST KIND OF ELIMINATING THE FLOOD PLAIN ISSUE ISSUANCE AND TRYING TO GET THE BETTER PARKLAND IF WE CAN, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND I DO HAVE PARIS OF ART WHO IS OUR PARKS BOARD CHAIR HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GIVING YOU FURTHER EXAMPLES.
UH, I'VE GOT ONE COMMENT AND ONE QUESTION, UM, THE COMMENT ON 10.6 AND 9.6 0.5, UH, THAT ONE IS IMPROVEMENTS WRONG.
ONE, UH, THAT ONE IS HERE WE GO, UH, CONVENIENT PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR ACCESS TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE MUST BE PROVIDED IN AREAS OF PARKLAND, NOT FRONTING A PUBLIC STREET ACCIDENTS, ACCESS BY FREQUENT GREEN LINKS OR PUBLIC PATHS MUST BE PROVIDED.
BUT RIGHT ABOVE THAT ONE, IT SAYS MUST FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET WITH A RESIDENTIAL LANE OR GREATER CLASSIFICATION TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
CAN WE GET RID OF THAT TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE WE ALREADY HAVE PROVISIONS IN HERE SAYING YOU WILL PUT IT WITH ACCESS TO A STREET OR A GREEN LINK OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE DEVELOPERS WIGGLE ROOM TO SAY, EH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY HOUSES.
LOOK, YOU CAN ACCESS IT THROUGH THIS LITTLE PARK, UH, THIS LITTLE SIDEWALK, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO ACCESS THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO REWORD THAT OR WORDSMITH IT, OR IF I'M JUST OFF IN LEFT FIELD, OUR TRACTOR APPROVAL, IF, IF CAN'T COMPLY OR YEAH.
SO SOME OR SOME SORT OF OTHER CHECK RATHER THAN JUST TO THE MAXIMUM, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE BECAUSE JEFF, I THINK WITH SOME OF THIS, I MEAN THE ONLY TIME THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD A SITUATION LIKE THIS MAY BE IN CROSS CREEK WITH THAT LARGER, UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE DIRECT CONNECTION TO CARL STERN TO THE SOUTH THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A SINGLE LOADED STREET IN CROSS CREEK PROVIDES THAT CONNECTIVITY, BUT WE DID ATTEMPT TO MAKE SOME TRAILHEADS OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE POTENTIALLY JUST REWORKING THAT.
CAUSE IF WE COME INTO THOSE SITUATIONS, I THINK AT LEAST WE CAN, THAT'S A ONE-OFF WE WANTED THAT PROPERTY WE'D WANT THAT.
BUT LIKE, I'M ALSO THINKING MUSTANG CREEK.
I WOULD NOT JUST GIVE THE OUT HOW, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE PARK SURROUNDED BY HOUSES AND MUSTANG CREEK? HMM.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
I WILL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AND WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION EITHER CHANGE IT OR WORSE, ADMIT THAT OR WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
UH, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, KIND OF DIRECTED AT PERRY, I GUESS, HAS, HAS THE PARKS BOARD TALKED ABOUT NATURE PRESERVES OR NATURE TRAILS? YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE, I'M, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LONG BRUSHING CREEK, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HIKE TRAILS AND BIKE TRAILS.
SO BY DEFINITION, I THINK THAT WOULD INCLUDE NATURE TRAILS, RIGHT.
SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE NOT PROVIDING, UH, IRRIGATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
NEARLY I ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR OR SO ABOUT, UH, PLACING CERTAIN LIKE LITTLE PLAQUES, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE, LIKE SPECIFIC TYPE OF TREES OR VEGETATION, OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE A KENNY FORT HAVING KIND OF SOMETHING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT USED TO BE HERE OR HOW HAS IT HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT TO HUDDLE? WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT AS FOR AN ACTUAL NATURE TRAIL? NO.
UM, AS FAR AS LIKE NATURE PRESERVE WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING IS
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DOWN ALONG THE CREEK BY ADAM OR GAIN PARK, THAT'S GORGEOUS, BUT THE, OUR PARK ONLY COVERS THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.CAN WE SOMEHOW LOOK TO CAPTURE THE SELF SIDE OF IT AS A PARK OR A NATURE PRESERVE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? UH, YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT IT ULTIMATELY, UH, I MEAN, IT'S FLOODPLAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO BEEN THINGS RAISED ABOUT BLACK LAND, THE BLACK LAND PRAIRIE AREA, UH, TRYING TO KEEP THAT IN ITS NATURAL STATE WITH WILD FLOWERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK IS AN AWESOME IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GO THAT MUCH, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ON THE RADAR.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS, IS, IS THAT EVEN ON YOUR GUYS'S RADAR AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IT'S FORMING UP.
AND IF I COULD INTERJECT SOMETHING I KNOW WITH, UM, CHAIRPERSON SUB-ARC FOR THE PARKS BOARD AND THEN ALSO BEING ON THE COMP PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEN SOME OTHER COMP PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEES ON THIS BOARD, THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE AT THAT NEXT PAC MEETING ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WILL ALSO SHOW THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE TRAILS.
WE MAY WANT TO AMENITIZE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AT THAT NEXT MEETING IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE TOES OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, BUT CERTAINLY WANT TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OVERARCHING DESIRE OF THE CITY.
SO CERTAINLY THAT INPUT WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED THERE AT THAT POINT, IF WE WANT TO BEEF THAT UP AND THEN MIMIC THAT BACK IN A PARKS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I THINK OUR FOCUS FOR THIS LAST YEAR HAS BEEN REALLY TRYING TO JUST DEAL WITH ANY SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PARKS.
AND SO I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF OFTEN NUMBER ONE FOR US.
WE'RE KIND OF OFF TOPIC, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO AS FAR AS FUTURE TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'VE GOT A STILL FEW ITEMS TO CLEAN UP AND ADDRESS.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF WENT DOWN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF TWO OR THREE YEARS.
IT HAS HINDERED, UH, AT LEAST, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING, UH, LOSING PEOPLE WHICH HIT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, VERY HARD, VERY, UH, LOSING JEFF FOR TWO YEARS, WHICH MEANT THAT WE'VE PRETTY MUCH LOST OUR, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT LOST THEIR BUDGET.
UH, SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE FALLEN AND WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT THE SHIP, SO TO SPEAK AND GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK.
AND MY THING WITH, UH, WITH THE UDC HERE IS WE'RE NOT WRITING IT FOR TODAY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE PARKS.
AND IF WE START LOOKING AHEAD AT WHAT KIND OF PARKS, HOW DO WE WANT OUR PARKS TO SHAPE UP? WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU GOT SOMEBODY COMING IN TODAY.
WE DON'T WANT THEM BUILDING AND PLANNING BECAUSE ONCE THEY START THE PROCESS, THEY START THE PROCESS ON WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS TODAY.
THEY DON'T START THE PROCESS ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BOOKS TOMORROW.
SO WE HAVE TO GET THIS MOVING SO THAT, AND WE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY COMING IN AND A WEEK FROM NOW CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW, RIGHT? OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW OR A MONTH FROM NOW, WE ALL KNOW HOW FAST THE CITY MOVES.
SOMETIMES IT CAN MOVE INCREDIBLY SWIFT AND SOMETIMES IT CAN JUST TAKE ITS SWEET TIME.
SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT, UH, CHAIRS THAT I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY LAST UPDATED, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WAS ON MY TO-DO LIST TO GET DONE.
THERE WAS THREE PRIORITIES AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM TO TRY TO AT LEAST HAVE A HEALTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AND SEE WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS AND STAFF WEIGH IN AND SEE IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR IF WE'RE WAY OFF, OR WE NEED TO REEVALUATE WHERE WE ARE.
CAUSE WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT.
WE WANT DEVELOPMENT TO PAY FOR OUR PARKS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FALL BEHIND FALL FURTHER BEHIND ON PARKS, I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY AT 50% WITH LOW BALLING ARE OUR NUMBERS.
WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED REGULATORY HELP TO BEEF THAT UP.
SO NO, DEFINITELY A GREAT DISCUSSION.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, AND THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
SO FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU REMOVED BOTH THE HOA PORTION AND THE FLOODPLAIN PORTION BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY THINGS THROUGH HERE THAT I'VE BEEN BANGING MY HEAD, WONDERING WHY THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE US FLOODPLAIN AND WE'RE ACCEPTING IT.
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WHICH IS DEDICATION PROPOSAL.SO IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, SORRY, IT WAS A SEPARATE ONE FROM IN THERE.
ASHLEY, UM, IS THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD RIGHT NOW APPROVING THE PARKLAND REQUESTS AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AFTER P AND Z APPROVES THE REST OF THE PLAT OR HOW HAS THE APPROVAL WORKING CAUSE AFTER, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE PROCESS CAUSE WE APPROVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT PART OF THAT AS A PARKLAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE PARKS BOARD APPROVES IT BEFORE OR AFTER THAT, OR IF YOU GUYS DO A BIT OF IT AND THEN IDEAL SITUATION, PARKS BOARD HAS A FIRST, FIRST BITE AT THE APPLE, SO TO SPEAK, THAT'S NOT BEEN HAPPENING.
WE'VE BEEN, HAD TO RETROACTIVELY APPROVE LAND THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN OBLIGATED TO TAKE SUCH AS THE COTTON MUSTANG CREEK AND THINGS LIKE THAT WERE WRITTEN IN A PIT.
AND WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PATH SHOULD BE US THEN.
'CAUSE WE COULD S WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT THE LAND.
AND THAT HELPS THEY'VE ALREADY COME TO YOU.
AND YOU SAY, WELL, EXACTLY TO ME.
AND THAT HELPS US IF WE, IF WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON OUR PAPER THAT SAYS, PARKS BOARD SAYS THIS, I MEAN, NOT PARKS BOARD, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN,
I THINK MUSTANG IS THE BEST REPRESENTATION OF THAT.
OR HE WOULD SEE THAT A NOTE WAS THEN PUT ON A PLAT.
ALTHOUGH STAFF SAID TO TAKE IT OFF, THEN THEY PUT IT BACK ON, ON AN UPDATE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, WE NOW HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS IN OUR PLANNING APPLICATION THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE FORM THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.
GOSH, WHEN JEFF WAS HERE IN 2018 AND NOW WE'VE GOT IT, UM, IN YOUR TWO YEAR HIATUS, LET'S CALL IT.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER GO TO THE PARKS AND WORK WITH JEFF DIRECTLY TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK OUR FEES ARE GOING TO BE.
SO THEN EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND CERTAINLY IF IT'S GOING TO BE A DEDICATION, IT'S GOING TO GO TO PARKS FIRST.
UM, NOT ONLY TO FOLLOW THE UDC, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOOD PRACTICE TO NOT SURPRISE THE GROUP, THAT'S GOING TO BE ACCEPTING PART OF IT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, FROM ANYTHING THAT CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE ANYBODY'S RECOMMENDATION, I AGREE THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN THING.
HOWEVER, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES WHEN THE PARKS BOARD AND THE P AND Z PAGE AND SAY, HEY, WE AGREE WITH THE PARKS BOARD AND YOU TAKE IT TO THE CITY AND THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, LIKE, IF WE'RE ALREADY DISCUSSING HOW WE WANT TO REWRITE THIS, I MEAN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING HELPFUL TO PUT IN THE VERBIAGE THAT THE PROCESS IS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AFTER STAFF REVIEWS IT AND THEY DO THEIR PORTION AND ACTUALLY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT GETS INVOLVED WITH JEFF THAT SOMEWHERE IN HERE, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT THE PROCESS IS THAT THE PARKS BOARD REVIEWS THE POTENTIAL PARKLAND.
AND IT MIGHT BE AN AMOUNT, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE ONLY DEDICATING OR IF IT'S ALL GOING TO BE A FEE IN LIEU, THEN NO BIG DEAL.
BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEDICATE PROBABLY OVER THAT 15 ACRES, POTENTIALLY PARKS BOARD SHOULD REVIEW IT FIRST AND YOUR CYCLE.
THEN IT COMES TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND SAYS, HEY, HERE'S PARK'S BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAD OUR RECOMMENDATION GOES TO CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO MAYBE ADD THAT IN VERBIAGE.
SO PART OF OUR PROCESS NOW THAT WE DO KEEP OUT OF THE PACKET IN CASE WE NEED TO UPDATE IT, AS FAR AS THE SHOT CLOCK BILL COMES TO MIND IS A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY WE DON'T KEEP IN THE UDC.
UH, BUT OUR PROCESSES OUTSIDE OF THAT, WITHIN THAT, UM, SUBDIVISION PACKET.
SO ALL OF OUR FINAL PLOTS, EVERYTHING HAS THIS IN IT THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PARKS GROUP.
SO NOT ONLY THEIR COMMISSION, BUT ALSO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO FINALIZE THAT PAPERWORK AS A PART OF A COMPLETE SUBMITTAL.
SO THAT WE'RE THEN MEETING SHOT CLOCK BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WITH SHOT CLOCK, WE ONLY HAVE SO LONG THAT WE HAVE ONCE IT'S IN, WE HAVE ABOUT 30 DAYS AND IT TRULY IS A SHOT CLOCK THAT UNLESS THEY'RE CHECKING OFF THE BOX FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PROCESS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN THE MONTH BECAUSE P AND Z MEETS THE WEEK BEFORE TYPICALLY THE PARKS BOARD WOULD MEET.
SO WHERE THIS TUESDAY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A TUESDAY.
UM, SO NEXT WEDNESDAY IS YOUR MEETING ON THE 14TH.
SO THAT'S WHERE IN THE TIMING OF WHEN WE WOULD HAVE A PLOT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO WE KEEP THAT OUTSIDE OF IT SO THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT GROUP PRIOR TO EVEN SUBMITTING.
AND IT'S PART OF THAT COMPLETE APPLICATION.
IT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS LIKE TIA AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED ALL THAT INFORMATION UP FRONT.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT CHECKING THE BOX FOR THE ALTERNATIVE PROCESS, THEN WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
THAT BRINGS UP AN IDEA AS FAR AS BOARD TIMING, BECAUSE I KNOW P AND Z, WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF BE IN FRONT OF AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT BOTH OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATES, COULD WE MOVE PARKS TO SAVE THE LAST WEEKEND OF THE MONTH PRIOR THAT WAY THEY'VE GOT THEIR STUFF TO US.
AND IT, IT JUST FLOWS MUCH LIKE THE PACKETS ARE SUPPOSED
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TO FLOW.THAT'S HOW WE ESSENTIALLY DO IT.
NOW WE JUST BACK IT UP INTERNALLY.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, BECAUSE MOST OF OUR P AND Z THINGS WERE OUT A MONTH FROM COUNCIL.
SO THINGS ON TONIGHT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON NEXT THURSDAY ON THE 15TH AGENDA.
WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN THOSE OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST HITTING EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, I THINK WITH WHERE WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THIS BOARD AND THEN HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE'RE HAVING COMING IN THAT WAS PROBABLY GONNA END UP BEING WORKSHOPS AND, UM, FOCUS GROUPS, AND THEN ALSO POTENTIALLY TWO MEETINGS A MONTH JUST SO THAT WE CAN SPLIT UP THAT WORK.
UM, CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE IN DEPTH WORK AND LATER MEETINGS.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE DO IT ALL INTERNALLY.
I KNOW I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE PARKS BOARD, BUT I AM GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE PARKS CHAIRS HERE.
TYPICALLY IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF HAVING A SPECIAL CALL MEETING FOR THINGS LIKE FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS OR SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE, UH, OUR COMMUNITY IS LUCKY TO HAVE OUR PARKS BOARD BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST AS BIG AS ADVOCATES FOR OUR PARKS AS I AM.
SO THEY'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL OR SOMETHING YOU NEED A LITTLE BIGGER THAN YOU ARE.
I HAVE TWO PARKS BOARD MEMBERS HERE TODAY.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY SHAKE THEIR HEADS.
SO 609 DOT FIVE DOT FIVE IMPROVEMENTS BY PARK SITE.
I GOTTA REMEMBER WHERE THAT WAS.
OH, SO IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS NEXT TO THE PARTS SITE, KIRBY, GUTTER STREETS, SIDEWALKS, BRIDGES NECESSARY.
HOW DOES THAT APPLY IF IT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND HOMES? LIKE A LOT OF THEM ARE NOW, DOES THAT JUST MEAN THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING TO IT? I THINK IT'S A CASE BY CASE SCENARIO.
UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF ACCESS WE'RE ASKING FOR, BECAUSE TYPICALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARK THAT'S EVEN GOING TO BE IN BEHIND A SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING AND ACCESS.
SO TYPICALLY IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME FORMS OF THAT.
UH, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE FLOODWAY ANYMORE, HOPEFULLY.
SO WE DO WHAT PROPER DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF.
AND SO WE WANT, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT AND THEN NEED TO KEEP COMING BACK TO GLENWOOD.
BUT GLENWOOD IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR A BARK.
THAT IS WAY IN THE BACK OF THE, I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T GET FURTHER OFF OF 16, 60, YEAH.
IN OUR SPLASH PAD, YOU KNOW, AND I'M PRETTY POSITIVE THAT I COULD PROBABLY STAND IN FRONT OF HOME DEPOT AND ASK A THOUSAND PEOPLE GOING IN.
IF THEY KNOW WHERE THE GLENWOOD SPLASH PAD IS.
AND UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY LIVE IN GLENWOOD, YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND I'D PROBABLY SAY THAT 25% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD DO NOT KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SPLASH PAD THAT WAS ALREADY SO, OR MAY NOT KNOW IT'S A CITY PARK.
THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR IS WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A CITY.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY CONTACT ME AND ASK ME WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT FIXING THE HOURS.
AND I, AND I KEEP TELLING THEM, THAT'S THE CITY.
HERE'S, HERE'S JEFF WHITE'S NUMBER.
GIVE HIM A CALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT US.
AND IF WE CAN AVOID THAT KIND OF SITUATION.
AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY UNUSUAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME IN THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT KIND OF PARKLAND THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE CITY.
UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT PARKS, LIKE ROUND ROCK HAS OLD SETTLERS PARK, THAT'S 439 ACRES.
UH, I'M PRETTY POSITIVE THAT I COULD PROBABLY GO TO THE CENTER OF TOWN AND ASK THEM IF THEY KNOW WHERE OLD SETTLERS IS AND THERE'LL BE ABLE TO GO RIGHT TO IT BECAUSE IT'S HUGE.
UH, AND I WAS PART OF THAT AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK PARKS AND RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKS IN HUTTOE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING EVENTUALLY GET TO THAT SIZE TO WHERE IT WOULD BE A MEETING PLACE FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, FRITZ PARK, PERFECT EXAMPLE.
IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, YOU CAN GET THERE PRETTY MUCH IN FIVE TO 10 MINUTES FROM JUST ABOUT ANY PLACE IN TOWN.
UNLESS THERE'S A TRAIN OR AN ACCIDENT.
SO GETTING 15 ACRES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, LIMOR LOOP AND DURANGO FARMS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, TWO STREETS TAKE A LEFT, GO TAKE A RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN.
YOU KNOW, SO BASICALLY FOR MOST DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO BE THE FEE.
AND THE FEE IS NOT A BAD THING.
THE FEE, I AGREE, IT'S NOT A BUDGET ITEM.
SO IT KINDA CARRIES OVER YEAR TO YEAR AND IT GIVES US THE OPTION TO APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE.
AND IF THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DO WANT THAT WE CAN GO AND USE THOSE FUNDS TO ALLOCATE
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THAT.AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT TAPPING INTO BOND FUNDS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE KINDA USE THAT MONEY, UM, CAREFULLY THE CITY CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
I KNOW THAT UNIT HAVE MORE SMALLER PARKS THAN WHICH I THINK THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR THE 15 ACRE CHANGE NOW, WHICH IS ALMOST WHY I ALMOST AGREED WITH YOU.
WE SHOULD ALMOST RAISE IT EVEN HIGHER.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU GUYS A LOT MORE LEEWAY TO DECIDE LIKE, HEY, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS GIGANTIC PARK.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM FEES TO DO IT.
HOWEVER, AND LIKE JEFF SAID, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT IS IT NOW? 800 A ROOFTOP DONE.
SO TAKE THAT, TAKE THAT $800 FEET AND TAKE YOUR CALCULATOR OUT AND FIGURE OUT 670 HOUSES, TIMES 800.
HOW MUCH MONEY IS THAT? WELL, HALF A MILLION, HALF A MILLION.
THEY GAVE US 0.8, SEVEN ACRES AND BUILT A $50,000 SPLASH PAD.
IF IT EVEN COSTS THAT MUCH BACK IN 2004.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THEY WOULD'VE PAID FOR HOUSEHOLD.
YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY GIVE US A LAND, AT LEAST GIVE US LAND THAT'S WORTH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING PER.
AND THAT'S WHY, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TO GET THIS RECONFIGURED AND REWRITTEN.
SO WE DO WHAT'S FOR THE BEST BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE HAVING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
SO FOR USABILITY, WHICH IS 609.6 0.2, UM, ONE STATEMENT IN THERE SAYS THAT ALL PARKLAND MUST HAVE ELECTRICITY AND WATER AVAILABLE TO IT PAID BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL PARKLAND, UM, NO MATTER WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE, ON THE ROADWAY BEHIND THE HOMES, WHATEVER THAT, ALL OF THAT, THE DEVELOPER MUST PROVIDE ELECTRICITY AND WATER, SHE MUST HAVE.
I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD PAVILIONS OR RESTROOMS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE A SOURCE FOR THAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE, UH, UH, WATER RELY ON RUN THROUGH THERE OR STUBBED OUT OR ELECTRICAL.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING TO THAT.
AND WE'D HAVE TO RUN THE BOARD FOR THE ELECTRICITY, BUT AT LEAST IT'S THERE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE CAN TAP.
SO THAT REALLY WHAT THEY CAN'T DO TRADITIONALLY IS I CAN'T SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU, THIS IS OUR DEVELOPMENT OVER HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS LAND WAY OVER HERE THAT WE OWN THAT THAT MEETS YOUR PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE DON'T ALLOW THAT MISMATCH.
AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S KINDA PROHIBITS THEM TO SAY THIS LAND DOESN'T HAVE WATER OR ELECTRICAL, SO WE DON'T TAKE NO.
AND THAT'S, I, THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT.
LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS WE'RE HOLDING DEVELOPERS ACCOUNTABLE TO ALL OF THIS, UM, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM, UH, 6.5, UM, AND I AGREE, WE, YOU CAN REWORK THE VERBIAGE ABOUT THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL, HOWEVER THAT WORKS.
BUT THE NEXT STATEMENT TALKS ABOUT FREQUENT CONNECTIONS AS PART OF, IF IT DOESN'T ABUT AGAINST A ROADWAY, UM, THAT HOW DOES IT SAY CONVENIENT PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR ACCESS TO PARKS MUST BE PROVIDED.
NERI IS A PARKLAND, NOT FRONTING PUBLIC STREET ACCESS BY FREQUENT GREENLINKS OR PUBLIC PATHS MUST BE PROVIDED.
I, AND I MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO IN-DEPTH WITH THIS, BUT I DON'T LIKE GIVING LEEWAY TO THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, SO I FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC OF A MINIMUM OF 20 HOMES OR SOMETHING BETWEEN ACCESS OR SOMETHING, JUST TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME AMAZING CAPABILITY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE CONNECTION.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN CROSS CREEK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I LIVE AND THAT'S WHERE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THEY DID DO A DECENT JOB OF ABOUT EVERY, PROBABLY 15 TO 18 HOMES.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY ONLY PUT A SIDEWALK ON SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THEM, THEY JUST HAVE THE ROCKY GREENWAY AND YOU CAN'T ACCESS.
SO HAVING SOMETHING IN THE VERBIAGE TO MAKE SURE AND ENSURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING ADEQUATE ACCESS FROM THE NEAREST ROADWAY, I THINK WOULD BE A HUGE WIN.
WHAT ABOUT ADA ACCESS? SO THEIR ACCESS POINTS ON, ON THAT, THAT LITTLE PARAGRAPH, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT ALL ACTIONS, FEDERAL LAW.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE ADA WOULD HAVE TO MEAN THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS ADEQUATE ACCESS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN 48 HOMES TO BE ABLE TO GET A HALF A MILE DOWN, TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN.
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ADA ACCESS POINTS OUT OF EIGHT.WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN UP THAT VERBIAGE WHEN WE BRING IT BACK.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST TO HELP BENEFIT YOU GUYS AND MAKE SURE DEVELOPERS ARE ON TRACK OF, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AWAY AND SAY FREQUENT IS THIS FAR, IT'S THIS FAR.
UM, AND THEN MY LAST ONE IS, UH, POINT THE NOT ELIGIBLE, WHICH IS NOT PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAD, BUT IF I CAN FIND IT NOW, THE LAST PAGE.
SO THE LAND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT DETENTION PONDS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A FEW RECENTLY THAT ARE TRYING TO PUT THEIR PARKLAND AS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TERMS THEY'RE USING IT, BUT THEY ARE TECHNICALLY DRAINAGE AREAS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO USE AS PARKWAYS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION MAYBE FOR STAFF IS WHAT STAGE IS THAT ASSESSED TO DETERMINE IF IT IS ACTUALLY PARKLAND? GREAT QUESTION.
WELL, WE LOOK EACH OTHER, UH, I WOULD ASSUME IT IS, UH, DURING THE INITIAL PLANNING WE HAVE THE BIG GUY.
UH, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD, JAMES, OUR CITY MANAGER.
UM, THE ANSWER SHOULD BE NOT, I HAVEN'T GOT TO SPEAK WITH THE PARKS BOARD YET.
I HOPE YOU ALL INVITE ME DOWN SO WE CAN TALK SO WE CAN TALK AND WE CAN KIND OF GET ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT EVERYONE'S TRYING TO DO.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE I WOULD WORD THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT AND IN KIND OF A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.
AND THAT IS, UM, WE BASICALLY WANT REGIONAL PARKS OR WE WANT PARKS THAT ARE, UM, A PART OF THE OVERALL PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT TIE INTO THE OVERALL VISION OF THE CITY.
OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING IT.
SO THAT MEANS IT DEFAULTS TO FEE IN LIEU.
SO IF THEY COME UP AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO DONATE THIS LAND.
THAT'S IN THE FLOODWAY OR THAT'S A DRAINAGE DITCH OR WHATEVER ELSE THE ANSWER IS, NO, THE HOA WILL OWN A MAINTAIN THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE FEE IN LIEU, UNLESS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF BEING WELL, IT'S MY WORD TO SAY REGIONAL.
SO Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT ACREAGE AND ALL THAT, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REALLY AFTER IS YOU WANT A PARK.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO IT, WHICH IS A REGIONAL PARK.
AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ACCEPTING THE TERMS WE TYPICALLY USE ARE POCKET PARKS, BUT IT'S GENERALLY PARKS THAT ARE REALLY JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
JUST SO Y'ALL ALL KNOW I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME IN KYLE.
UM, AND ALL THE DEVELOPERS BASICALLY START KIND OF THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? EVERYTHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY, THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN IT FOR BUSINESS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UM, YOU, WELL, EVERY DEVELOPER AT THIS POINT IN TIME COMING FORWARD IN THIS CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AMENITIZED PARKS IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET TO RE, TO HAVE PEOPLE COME AND BUY HOMES IN THEIR SUBDIVISION.
SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THE CITY TO BE ACCEPTING ANY TYPE OF PARK THAT IS AN AMENITIZED PARK FOR BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO JUST LIVE AROUND IT.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE FEES IN LIEU OF DEDICATION.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES, WHICH IS THE OTHER HALF OF THE FEE.
AND THEN FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE TO PAY THE FEE, THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD RISE TO THE LEVEL OF THE PARKS BOARD SET OF SATISFACTION OF SAYING, WE WILL ACCEPT THIS IN LIEU.
UM, AND I'LL TALK TO THE PARKS BOARD MORE ABOUT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE WATERWAYS AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, Y'ALL PROBABLY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT IN THERE BECAUSE IF, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING REALLY COOL, LIKE LAKE HUTTOE OR WHATEVER THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DEDICATE, AND YOU'D BE LIKE, NAH, WE ACTUALLY DO KIND OF WANT THAT.
BUT THEN YOUR CODE SAYS YOU CAN'T TAKE IT.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE AFTER IS YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT LAND THAT IS NOT OTHERWISE USEFUL OR IS OTHERWISE NOT.
UH, UM, YOU CAN'T, UH, UH, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? NOT ENGAGE, BUT YOU CAN'T INTERACT WITH THE LAND REALLY.
NOW THAT SAID EVEN STILL SWAMPY LAND, UH, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY WOODED WOODS, EVEN THOSE AREAS THAT YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY ENGAGE WITH, JUST HAVING THE BUFFER, THE OPEN SPACE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT'S WHY ULTIMATELY YOU, YOU LEAVE IT TO THE PARKS BOARD TO DECIDE, TO ACCEPT AND LOU, OTHERWISE THE PLANNING AND ZONING IS THIS IS ESSENTIALLY APPROVING THE PLATS WITH THE FEES.
AND IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH THAT SIMPLE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR PROCESS QUESTION, IT'S, YOU'RE PAYING THE FEES UNLESS YOU GO TO PARKS, BOARD AND PARKS BOARD SAYS, THEY'LL ACCEPT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN LIEU OF THE FEE.
DOES THAT HELP COMPLETELY THAT SOUND GOOD? YEAH.
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TRY TO GET IT ON MY CALENDAR FOR ME.IF YOU WOULD ORCHESTRATE YOUR VIEW.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THIS IS NOT EXACTLY HOW MY LIFE WORKS.
I'M GOING TO HEAD TO THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT SEEING Y'ALL TONIGHT, BUT THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING ME.
I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS PRETTY SOLID.
LIKE I SAID, THIS, THIS LANGUAGE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 15, 20 YEARS.
WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
BUT IF, UH, IF WE WANT TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE AT IT AND CONSOLIDATE IT AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT AS WELL TOO.
NO, I THINK I, AND I, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT CITY MANAGER JUST SAID MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK WITH DISCUSSIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT WELL, AND I THINK THE, THE BIG THING, LIKE HE SAID IS, IS FIGURING OUT HOW TO CAUSE OUR BIGGEST THINGS WE'VE SEEN FOR OUR REFERENCE.
AND YOU GUYS CHIME IN TOO, IS, IS THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO HAVE THAT UNIQUE VERBIAGE TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A RETENTION BASIN, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A LOWER LYING AREA, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO USE IT AS, AS THAT.
UM, AND THEN NOT HAVING ACCESS TO IT.
SO THAT FROM OUR VIEW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT.
SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT AS YOU'RE REWRITING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I MISSED.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, HE KIND OF BROUGHT UP LIKE THE WETLANDS AND HEAVILY, HEAVILY WOODED AREAS AND YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE VALID, UH, BUFFERS BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS BUFFERS BETWEEN AREAS, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR PARKS, NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR PARKS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE BLACK LAND PRAIRIE PRESERVATION, THAT KIND OF THING MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INTEGRATE.
BUT I'M ABSOLUTELY IN AGREEMENT IF YOU KNOW, UH, HOW-TO GRAND, A STATES COMES IN NEXT YEAR AND SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU 80 ACRES OF, UH, UH, BLACK LAND PRAIRIE PRESERVE, PRESERVE.
IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY MEET THE CRITERIA HERE, THEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD APPROVAL OR FEE AND LU.
IT'S THE END LOO, UNLESS YOU CAN GET PARKS TO BUY, TO BUY OFF, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
ACTUALLY, NOT THAT THAT'S A WRONG TERM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEY WANT TO GIVE ME A HUNDRED BUCKS A HOUSE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEW CAR, BUT, BUT FROM MY VIEW, I THINK THE FEES MAKES SENSE TOO.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE MORE COMPETITIVE.
WE'RE MORE COMPETITIVE, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED.
AND UM, I MEAN, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY STILL FAR AWAY FROM SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER, SO WE'RE STILL COMPETITIVE, BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING ENOUGH FUNDS IN TO BE ABLE TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, SO THE RECENT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THE RECENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DID FOR FRITZ PARK, HUDDLE, LAKE PARK AND, UH, HUDDLE, COMMUNITY PARK LIGHTING, WE USE THE PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR THAT.
AND THAT WAS ROUGHLY RIGHT AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THAT MONEY.
SO WE CHOSE TO SPEND THAT ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS THOUGHT IT WAS A WISE INVESTMENT.
IT KIND OF FALLS IN LINE WITH, UH, UH, MY TERMS OF CIP.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND THIS CAME WITH A 25 YEAR WARRANTY.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO BRAINER FOR US.
IT WAS GREAT AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, LOOK TODAY AND PEOPLE ARE DEFINITELY USING THE COURT BECAUSE I CAN TRACK HOW MANY HOURS THEY'RE USING IT.
AND WE'RE LEARNING STUFF TOO, THAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
SO COMMUNITY PARK, UH, WE HAD A YOUNG YOUNG MAN, HOW DO I SUPPOSE STUDENT THAT CAME TO US AND SAID THAT, UH, WHERE HE OUT BY HUDDLE LAKE PARK, THEY CAN'T PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE FALL AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK.
RIGHT? BECAUSE IT STARTS, SOMETIMES YOU GET INTO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK.
SO RIGHT NOW HOW TO LIKE PARK COMMUNITY PARK AND FRITZ PARK I'LL HAVE LIGHTS AND NOT YET, NOT YET FOR ITS PART, BUT THEN THEY WILL GET IT CREEKSIDE.
DID THEY GET LIGHTS? WE HAVE HUDDLE LAKE, UH, HUDDLE, LAKE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY, AND FRITZ WOULD BE FIRST.
SO THEY'RE ALL GETTING LIGHTS.
THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE CITIZENS.
RIGHT? WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE UP SOFT POLLY AND CARL STERN
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OVER BY NAVY AND JOHNSON AND THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THAT AREA, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY PARK, THEY WANTED A BATHROOM KIDS PLAYING BASKETBALL AND THEY'D GO TO THE BATHROOM.SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PLAN AND GETTING THE MATERIALS, READY TO BUILD A BATHROOM AT COMMUNITY PARK SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO THERE AND ENJOY IT AND NOT HAVE TO RUSH HOME TO REALLY, YEAH.
I'M GOING TO STAY SAY SOMETHING.
THAT IS WHAT I INTERPRETED AS A FACT, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA FIND, UH, UNTRUE.
HOW DO A COMMUNITY PARK IS ONE OF OUR MOST USED PARKS.
IF YOU GO OVER THERE 80 FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
SO IF YOU GO THERE AT ANY DAY, THERE'S PEOPLE THERE.
IF YOU GO AND YOU'LL SEE BOTTLE CAP LIDS ALL OVER THE PLACE FROM WATER BOTTLES.
AND, UH, THERE'S USUALLY PEOPLE OUT THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL OR PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND OR HANGING OUT AT THE PAVILION ALL THE TIMES A DAY.
SO IT'S NOT THOUGHT OF AS FRITZ OR ADAM OR GAME, OR TYPICALLY WE'RE A LARGE GROUP GATHERS, BUT THIS POCKET PARK IS VERY POPULAR AMONG OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT LIVE THERE.
I DO JUST WANT TO ASK RANDOM QUESTIONS SINCE I THINK WE MIGHT BE RECORDING IT, UM, FOR THE CITIZENS AND EVERYTHING.
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY OF CITIZENS HAVE SPECIFIC REQUESTS FOR PARKS THAT THEY GET THEM SUBMITTED, THAT THE BEST WAY A CITIZEN CAN GET THEIR IDEAS FOR THINGS IS TO COME TO A MEETING AND DO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE'LL BE IN THE PARKS TOO.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY COME HERE AND SEE US AND I'LL DO SURVEYS.
AND I MET MY PART WE'RE WE'RE WE ALL REPRESENT, UH, A PARK AND SO WE'LL DO SURVEYS WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE.
WHERE'S MY PARKS, GLEN WOULD SPLASH PAD, BUT LET'S SO YOU JUST EDUCATE PEOPLE WHERE IT'S AT OTHER STUFF.
I CAN'T BE TRAVELING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, GUYS, WE APPRECIATE IT.
THIS WILL COME BACK FOR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS TIME IS JUST THE, ALL RIGHT.
SO YOU WILL SEE THIS AGAIN, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE VERY SOON.
PARKS ARE FUN TO TALK ABOUT, RIGHT? NO, THEY ARE FUN STUFF.
SO WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.5 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE POST EMORY.
HOW ABOUT 4.4? HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED NORTH TOWN COMMONS, LOTS 2, 3, 4 BLOCK, A PRELIMINARY PLAT 2.8, SIX, FOUR ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND THREE COMMERCIAL, LOTS LOCATED ON FM 16, 60 SOUTH.
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ONLY AS YOU KNOW, OUR PRELIMINARY PLATS WITH OUR CYCLES.
WE NEED TO JUST GET THAT PUBLIC HEARING OUT OF THE WAY WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY.
I THINK WE HAD ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THEY WERE JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER HERE.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE PLOT, THE NEXT TIME IT COME, WHEN IT ACTUALLY COMES BACK FOR APPROVAL, IT REALLY IS JUST KIND OF RECONFIGURATION OF THREE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
IT'S NOT A HUGE CHANGE THAT USERS AREN'T CHANGING.
IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.
BEFORE WE GET ALL THE COMMENTS BACK.
SO THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT, UH, 9 39.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 39 AND NO ACTION IS REQUIRED ON THIS.
SO NOW WE'LL GO TO 4.5, 4.0 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED EMORY CROSSING PHASE FOUR FINAL PLAT 30.96, NINE ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED NORTH OF LIMOR LOOP BETWEEN EDGEMONT BOULEVARD AND FM 1660 NORTH.
SO THIS IS A PROPOSED FINAL PLAT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS PART OF THAT EMORY OR WHAT WE FORMERLY CALLED RSI.
SO IT IS THE MIDWAY POINT BETWEEN EDGE MED AND 1660.
AND THIS DOES INCLUDE A LARGE PIECE OF THAT ROADWAY OF THAT EAST WEST CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY OVER TO FN 1660.
SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO IS NOW ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN IT, I WOULD VERY MUCH SUGGEST YOU GO DRIVE IT.
IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS EVEN JUST TWO YEARS AGO OVER THERE.
SO WITH THIS ONE, IT IS A FINAL PLOT WITH 77 SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS 16 TOWNHOME WATTS, AND 60 CONDOMINIUM, LOTS AT FOUR ALLEY LOTS, AND THEN FOUR LANDSCAPE LOTS AND THE DRAINAGE LOT.
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THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NICE ONES WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MIX OF LOT SIZES.SO YOU'VE GOT THE SINGLE FAMILY ALL THE WAY TO THE CONDO.
UM, AND THIS IS ZONED FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING MATCHES THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO WITHOUT I DO HAVE THE TWO SLIDES, YOU ALSO HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A, ANOTHER TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN HERE FOR TRAFFIC CALMING, AND THIS DOES FOLLOW EVERYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED IN THAT PUD.
CAUSE I KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME WENT ROUND AND ROUND ON THIS ONE AS DID COUNSEL, UM, ON THOSE TRAFFIC CIRCLES AND THE REST AND, AND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU DON'T GET TO PLAN OUT A FULL MILE WIDTH OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY, I'M KIND OF GOING TO GEEK OUT ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD AND ALL THE APPLICABLE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
UM, I THINK FINAL PLAT IS FINE, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LIMIT ACCESS OR CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ONTO 1660 UNTIL WE, THE CITY AT LEAST HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH 1660.
SO THERE A WAY WE CAN DO THAT, NOT ON THIS FINAL PLAT, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF 1660, SO THEY ARE AWARE AS THEIR OWN ENTITY, BUT WE CANNOT FORCE THE HAND WITH A FINAL PLOT.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AT THE TIME THAT THE PRELIM WAS APPROVED AND THE PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED, THIS ALL MET, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE TRAFFIC IMPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
AND THE DENSITY IS NOT CHANGING.
I THINK OTHER THINGS AROUND THERE POTENTIALLY HAVE, BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS 1660 NORTH AT LIMRA LOOP, THEN ALSO ED SCHMIDT THAT HAS BEEN VASTLY IMPROVED SINCE THAT FIRST PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WE KNEW IT WAS IN THE PROCESS, BUT IT WAS NOT THE SAME ROADWAY THAT IT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE POTENTIAL LIMOR LOOP EDGE SUMMIT THAT EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, THIS PROJECT IS A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
SO THERE WILL BE OTHER FUNDS THAT WERE RENEGOTIATED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUND.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR AND A FEW OTHERS, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE FULL VOTE.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS THE INTENTION AT LEAST TO DISCUSSION THAT THOSE FUNDS, OR AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THEY WANT APPLIED TO THAT INTERSECTION OF LIMBER.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF HOMES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SEE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY CONDITION THIS BASED ON WHAT AN OUTSIDE ENTITY WOULD DO.
IT'S JUST, THAT WAS MY INITIAL CONCERN.
WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT CONNECTING, ESSENTIALLY ED SCHMIDT TO 1660 IS THE TRAFFIC AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE.
SOMETIMES IT TRULY IS THE ROOFTOPS HAVE TO GET THERE BEFORE AND EVERYBODY, SO THEY GET TO 1660, AND WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO ALSO, ONCE THIS GOES IN, THIS IS ALSO ABOUT A HALF MILE NORTH OR MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE NORTH OF LIMMER.
SO THIS COULD ACTUALLY OFFSET SOME OF THAT LIMOR TRAFFIC AS WELL.
NO, NOT TILL THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, NOT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON NO.
YEAH, IT WON'T CHANGE REALLY ON THE FM 1660 SIDE.
BUT IF YOU'RE LIVING OVER IN ASHTON, WHAT'S THE ASHTON PROJECT.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, WHAT'S IT CALLED COTTON SOMETHING ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE A LEFT AND GET THROUGH THE RSI DEVELOPMENT AND GET OVER THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO DOWN LIMMER OR HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP OFFSET SOME OF IT, OBVIOUSLY STREETS ARE NOT BUILT OVERNIGHT, SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A MINUTE.
BUT, UM, I THINK WITH THAT EAST-WEST CONNECTION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER ITEMS WHEN THAT PLANTING IT DEVELOPMENT AND PIT AND THE REST OF IT CAME THROUGH IS THIS REALLY IS AN OFFSET TO TRY TO GET ENOUGH PEOPLE OFF NECESSARY.
UM, AND I THINK AS WE SEE EVERYTHING AROUND, LIMOR STARTING TO DEVELOP MORE.
YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY SEE SOME MORE TRAFFIC IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
ANYWAY, WE CAN REMOVE ALL THE TEMPORARY PUE DOCUMENT NUMBER CALL-OUTS, UH, PRIOR TO RECREATION.
USUALLY IF IT'S A TEMPORARY, WE TRY TO LEAVE THEM ON BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE GUARANTEE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.
ONCE WE KNOW THEY'RE REMOVED, THEY COME OFF THE DOCUMENT PRIOR RECREATION.
SO THEN INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM ADD GOD, I'M SO SORRY.
INSTEAD OF ADDING THEM, HAVING THEM ADD THIS, CAN IT JUST BE A CHECKLIST ITEM THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE TEMPORARY PEEWEE PRIOR TO THAT RECREATION? SO, YEAH, LET ME GET, LET ME GO BACK ONE.
SO ON THIS, WHAT WOULD WE WOULD END UP SEEING, UM, TYPICALLY THIS IS GOING TO BE WRITTEN IN, ON THE PLOT WHEN IT'S RECORDED.
SO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TEMPORARY TO GET TO THE RECREATION, WE HAVE TO SEE THAT DOCUMENT.
IT HAS TO BE RECORDED AND WE HAVE TO PUT THE DOCUMENT NUMBER IN THERE W THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UP UNTIL THEY KNOW THAT THEIR POTS APPROVED ALMOST ALREADY WORKING ON IT, EVEN FOR TEMPORARY, EVEN TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS, THEY GET RECORDED
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JUST SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS COME IN, THIS PLAN WILL END UP GOING INTO THAT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET.AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THERE'S EASEMENTS, EVEN IF TEMPORARY, UM, THE LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A, A LAYERING ISSUE, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT, ONE A BLOCK GG, EMORY CROSSING, PHASE THREE, DOCUMENT NUMBER MISSING THAT'S ON SHEET ONE TO FIVE.
SO IT EITHER NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR THAT THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE HANDWRITTEN IN THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN PLAT NOTE 10 SAYS, WASTEWATER WILL BE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CITY OF HADOW AFTER THE APPROPRIATE WASTEWATER SYSTEMS ARE INSTALLED TO THE SITE.
SO HAVE THEY BONDED FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS OR THEY ALREADY CONSTRUCTED FOR THE MAJORITY OF THESE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS FLOWS INTO THAT MAIN RSI LINE.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND THEY SHOULD BE FINE.
CAUSE ENGINEERING HAD CLEARED ALL COMMENTS, SO THEY SHOULD BE FULLY DONE WITH EVERYTHING.
UM, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER EXTENSIONS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AT FINAL PLAT RECREATION TO EITHER POST BOND FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
OR THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND CONSTRUCT, THEY'LL GET ACCEPTED, GO TO COUNCIL.
AND THEN WE RECORD THE PLOT AFTER THAT.
CAN WE, CAN WE ADD THAT AS A STIPULATION TO THE APPROVAL THAT THEY COULD BE APPROVED SO LONG AS IT'S BONDED APPROPRIATELY BONDED? OR, OR IS THAT JUST PER UDC? JUST PER UDC THEN IT'S SO ENGINEERING DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
THEY SHOULD BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING EITHER HAS TO BE BUILT OR BONDED PRIOR TO PLAT RECREATION, BECAUSE IN, AND THAT'S PART OF STATE LAW THAT YOU CAN'T RECORD ANYTHING, UNLESS THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE, THEY'RE PAID FOR FULLY OR CONSTRUCTED FULLY UNACCEPTED.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO AN FYI GO FOR IT.
WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT'S PART OF UDC, THEN WE HAVE THAT CHECKLIST ITEM THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE BONDS PRIOR TO LIBRARY.
PART OF THE RECREATION PACKET THAT, UM, YVETTE WILL GO THROUGH IS IT'S EITHER, DID YOU BOND OR DID YOU BUILD AND WHERE'S THE ACCEPTANCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I REALIZE I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKING THAT QUESTION ON THE LEAST, AND WHEN I APPLIED OUTSIDE OF HOW DO I HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT? UM, DON'T LIKE THE TEMPORARY PEEWEES ON THE PLANET, BUT, UH, YEAH.
SO THEN JUST THAT LOT, ONE A BLOCK GG, EMORY CROSSING PHASE THREE, CALL-OUT THE LINE, WAIT IS REALLY LIGHT IT'S RIGHT HERE.
IT'S NOT EVEN PULLING UP WHEN YOU, SO WHEN IT GETS REPORTED IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PULL UP.
I CAN GET THEM TO CHANGE THAT.
ANY OTHERS JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS PHASE FOUR.
UM, HOW MANY PHASES DO THEY HAVE FOR THE EMORY CROSSING? IS THERE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE STILL NOT FINAL, BUT YES.
UM, I BELIEVE IN THIS ONE, I THOUGHT WE HAD EIGHT PHASES.
UM, I WOULD SAY, LET ME CHECK, BUT SINCE IT'S MY COMPUTER HOOKED UP TO, IF I CHECK, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A MINUTE TO GO BACK THROUGH, BUT YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A LARGE SUBDIVISION AND WE STARTED ON THE WEST SIDE AND WE'RE JUST MOVING FURTHER EAST, BUT EVERYTHING OFF OF THAT, UM, RIGHT OF WAY PORTION, KIND OF BACK ON THIS, THERE ARE MORE SECTIONS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT, RIGHT.
OF WAY PORTION THAT HEADS TO THE EAST ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES, NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF A PARKLAND BACK TOWARDS HEDO PARK AND THEN A CONNECTION DIRECTLY INTO HUTTOE PARK THAT WILL THEN ALLOW ALSO EVERYBODY IN HADOW PARK TO FLOW NORTH THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO UTILIZE THAT EAST-WEST STREET, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT REALLY WILL HELP WITH THE NINTH GRADE CENTER BY HAVING EAST WEST CONNECTION AND HADOW PARK HAVING ANOTHER EXIT.
I HOPE, I MEAN THE NINTH GRADE CENTER IS SERVING THE CITY, NOT JUST, BUT ONLY THE NINTH GRADERS IN THIS CITY FOR NOW.
THERE WAS A THOUSAND TO THEIR LAST SCHOOL.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF, SO YEAH, DEFINITELY.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS ISD IS ALSO LOOKING AT IT.
I MEAN, THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
AND I THINK THIS IS A TIME WHERE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING SEAMLESSLY WITH US, WITH OUR MASTER PLANNING AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON ON THEIR ISD SITE.
UM, AND SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WAITING FOR SOME OF THIS.
CAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER THE ISD SITE MUSTANG AND THIS PROJECT, WE'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER WITH THAT WASTEWATER LINE.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DOMINOES THAT HAD TO FALL ALL AT THE RIGHT TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT PART OF THIS IS GOING TO BE.
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YEP.AND MAYBE JUST, MAYBE THIS'LL TRIGGER TEXTS DOT LIKES AND SIDEWALKS.
THEY RARELY DO SIDEWALKS ALL IN TEXAS, THE EXPLORATION ON THE TEMPORARY, SORRY, I'M ALL OVER.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENT.
TYPICALLY WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING ON ANY OF THESE IS ONCE IT GETS RECORDED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE RECORDED PLAT THAT'LL EVEN GO INTO LIKE THE CONDO SITE PLAN.
AND THEN IF THAT GETS TO BE REMOVED AT THAT POINT, THEY WILL GIVE US DOCUMENTATION THAT BEEN REMOVED.
UM, ONCE THAT RELEASE IS RECORDED, THE COUNTY TYPICALLY WILL ALSO REFERENCE THAT WITH THE PLATTE RECREATION.
SO YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE RELEASE, UM, WHEN YOU SEE THEM A LOT.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO AS A TEMP, P WE ON THE PLAT, THAT'S JUST AN INSURANCE FOR THE CITY, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET SOMETHING.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT YOU SEE ON SOME OF THEM, OR, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OFFSITE AND YOU NEED TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE IMPEDING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE WHAT, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCES WITH TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.
SO WHENEVER I GET A SITE AND I'M LOOKING AT A PLAT AND I SEE TEMPORARY, I'M LIKE, OH, SHOOT, IS THAT STILL EXISTING? IS IT NONEXISTING? WHEREAS YOU CAN HAVE IT BE RECORDED, RUN WITH THE LAND.
AND IT COULD JUST BE A CHECKLIST ITEM THAT THEY PROVIDE AT TIME OF RECREATION AND THEY CAN'T RECORD UNTIL THEY PROVIDE IT.
INSTEAD OF ADDING THE TEMPORARY EASEMENTS THAT EVENTUALLY GO AWAY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A PLAT THAT HAS ALL THESE CALL-OUTS THAT? YEAH, NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, WE'RE WE COULD DO IT EITHER WAY RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST MAKE THEM DO IT ON APPLIED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ALL THE STAFFING LEVELS TO, UNLESS WE WERE TO DO THIS HAS TO BE CALLED FOR, UM, PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT RECREATION AND THEN DO IT SEPARATE, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO TRACK IT WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR THE SITE PLAN, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL THAT ITEM IN THERE.
THEY DON'T ALWAYS SHOW IT ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
AND SO THIS IS HOW WE DO IT ESSENTIALLY IS JUST ONCE THE SITE PLAN COMES IN FOR ANYTHING OR ANY OTHER SITE FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION OR TEMPORARY PUE, WE SEE THAT IT'S MARKED OUT AND THEN WE KNOW THE SITE PLAN AROUND IT, OR THAT HAS TO BE A SECOND PHASE OR THEN ME THAT YOU CAN SIGHT POINT OVER THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY RELEASED THAT.
IT MAKES SENSE A LITTLE, YEAH.
ON OUR SITE, IT'S EASIER FOR THE TRACKING IF WE SHOW IT ON THE PLOT BECAUSE THE PLOT HAS TO THEN GET, UM, THE RECORDED PLOT HAS TO BE PUT IN EVERY SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION.
AND TYPICALLY YOU'RE NOT GETTING HIM RELEASED THAT QUICK.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM PUT IT ON THE PLATTE THAT COULD PROVIDE THE SEPARATE DOCUMENT AND THEN THEY HAVE TO NOTE IT ON THEIR SITE PLAN C THEY WOULD, BUT THEY'D ALSO BEEN, HAVE TO GRAPHICALLY SHOW IT ON A SITE PLAN.
AND THEN IF IT'S ACTUALLY CAUGHT, BECAUSE DURING THE SITE PLAN, WE, A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T GET FULL DEEDS OR EASEMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE JUST LIKE, JUST PUT IT ON THE PLOT AT LEAST THEN WE KNOW IT EXISTS.
AND THEN TITLE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL CALL LATER AND THEY'LL BE LIKE, ONCE IT ACTUALLY SELLS, LIKE, IS THIS, AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY GONE.
OR THE COUNTY'S BEEN GREAT ON ACTUALLY KIND OF REFERENCING THE RELEASE DOCUMENTS WITH THAT PLOT.
SO TYPICALLY IF YOU PULL THE PLAT OR ENTITLES PULLING ANYTHING, THEY'LL ALSO GET THE RELEASE RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON 4.5, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT WITH THE ADDITION OF FILLING OUT THE DOCUMENT NUMBER FOR LOT ONE A BLOCK GG EMORY CROSSING PHASE THREE ON SHEET ONE OF FIVE SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MEYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NEXT IS ITEM 4.6 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HERITAGE MILL NORTH PRELIMINARY PLAT 88.2, FOUR ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND 388, LOTS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FM 16, 60 EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1 63.
SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLOT.
THIS IS, UM, KIND OF PART ONE OF TWO PARTS.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT THIS ONE CAME IN AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT IT HAS THE SOUTHEAST LOOP BISECTING IT.
SO THE FINAL PLOTS ARE GOING TO COME IN
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AS NORTH AND SOUTH.AND THIS IS 367, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, 10 OPEN SPACE LODZ AND AMENITY CENTER, AND THEN 20 OPEN SPACE OR GREEN LINK CLOTS.
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS ONE IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN APPROVED MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT AND NOT ONLY HAS THE CITY'S, UM, APPROVAL ON THESE, BUT WE ALSO STILL HAVE TO GET WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
SO ONE THING WITH THIS ONE, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY DONE.
THERE WERE A FEW LITTLE MINOR ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT THE APPLICANTS BEEN PROVIDED.
MOST OF IT WAS LABELING AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS CALL-OUT IS THERE.
I'M NOT GONNA PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA IF IT'S A MASSIVE THING.
BUT ONE THING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING AHEAD OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
SO I DID PUT THE PROVISION IN THERE THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THIS PLAT THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY COMES BACK WITH AND WE SHARE OUR COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.
SO IF IT'S INCREASING DENSITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALSO FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
IF IT'S A SMALL NOTE, CAUSE SOMETIMES WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND CITY NOTES DIFFER SLIGHTLY.
WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THAT THIS ONE'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THE CITY'S WASTEWATER.
EVENTUALLY THAT WAS PART OF THAT MUD DOCUMENT.
SO WE KIND OF TAKE A LEAD BASED ON OUR INTER-LOCAL AGREEMENT OR, UM, HOUSE BILL 1445 AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE COUNTY'S MAINTAINING IT.
SO WE HAVE TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THEM.
I'M SORRY, THE COUNTY'S MAINTAINING THE STREETS AND SUCH THE CITY WILL STILL BE MAINTAINING THE WASTEWATER LINES, BUT WE HAVE TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALSO HAVE THAT RESPECT ON, UM, WHAT THEY NEED AS PART OF THE PLOT, BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY DEFINING WHAT THIS UNIVERSE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THIS FINAL PLOT.
UM, WITH THAT, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING AUTHORITY TO EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT, I DID PUT THE MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT PAPERWORK IN THIS FOR YOU.
UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING, WHAT WE GO OVER IN THE PACKET IS ANY FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAD A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER LOT TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, DESPITE THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE MAINTAINING THOSE STREETS.
ESSENTIALLY THOSE ARE COUNTY STREETS.
WE KNOW THAT THIS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO DURING THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT HEARING, UM, WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT WAS REQUESTED AND PROVIDED WITHIN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO THERE.
SO OTHER THAN, UM, ANY COMMENTS RECEIVED AFTER P AND Z APPROVAL THAT WERE, UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT SUBSTANTIAL, THOSE WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS FINAL PLOT PRIOR TO RECREATION.
AND, UM, THAT THERE ARE ANY OF THE OUTSTANDING ENGINEERING COMMENTS ARE SATISFIED, BUT AGAIN, THOSE WAS MORE LABELING AND CLEANUP ITEMS. SO WITH THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR THE LABELING, CAUSE THIS IS JUST DOING THE REVIEW.
I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY MESSY PLAT.
UM, THERE'S SOME DRAFTING ERRORS, UM, LABELS OVER CALL-OUTS IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY PICKED UP WHERE ALL THESE DRAFTING ERRORS PULL OUT THE LABELS.
A LOT OF IT IS JUST, HEY, PULL THIS OFF RELABEL THIS, MAKE SURE THAT THIS ONE'S CALLED OUT, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS ALL CLEANED UP.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THIS ONE TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY US TAKING CARE OF IT.
WILLIAMSON COUNTY ALSO HAS THE REVIEW.
SO THEY'RE HAVING, I MEAN, I FEEL FOR THIS ENGINEER, THEY'RE HAVING TO UPDATE IT ON TWO DIFFERENT SIDES AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HAVING TWO JURISDICTIONS COME AT YOU WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMMENTS.
UM, I WILL SAY WE WORK REALLY WELL.
UM, CAMMIE FITZGERALD IS THE PLANNER ON STAFF OR WILCO.
SHE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON AND PLANNER.
UM, AND NOT ONLY BECAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH HER IN A FORMER JURISDICTION, BUT SHE'S REALLY THOROUGH AND SHE SHARES THOSE COMMENTS WITH US.
SO WE TRY TO MAKE IT AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, DO A AND WELL THERE'S BEEN COUNTY IS SAYING DOOBIE.
WE TRY TO MEET UP AND SAY, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY.
AND SO WE TAKE A BACKSEAT TO SOME OF THOSE PLOT NOTES, JUST KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US MAINTAINING THOSE, UM, OR EVEN SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE WE DO HAVE TO TAKE A SECOND.
I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE, HEY, WE DID THIS GREAT SUBDIVISION NOW GO TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO, UM, A LOT OF IT WAS JUST LABELING AND THINGS THAT WE'VE CAUGHT THEIR JURISDICTION CAUGHT OR JUST WAITING TO SEE THE FINAL SHAKE HAVEN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET.
UM, I BELIEVE THE LAST ONE I SAW, MOST OF THEM HAD BEEN CLEANED UP.
I THINK ENGINEERING HAD TWO MORE, TWO OR THREE MORE THINGS TODAY THIS MORNING AS OF THIS MORNING THAT THEY HAD TO DO QUICK CLEAN.
UM, I'VE GOT A HYDROLOGY QUESTION.
LET'S SEE WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU NOW.
SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT PAGES 10 AND 11.
ON PAGE 10, YOU SEE THE WATER FLOWING GENERALLY SOUTH OR EAST.
AND IT MAGICALLY CHANGES FROM A EASTERN FLOW TO A NORTHERN SLOPE.
THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OF THAT
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BECAUSE OF GRADING.THAT'S CHANGING FLOW DIRECTION.
IT'S ON THE MAY HER PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE FLOW OF WATER ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, THAT ISN'T YOURS, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S ILLEGAL.
ONLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADVERSE IMPACT.
WOULD IT BE AGAINST STATE LAW, BUT IF IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF IT WAS SHEEP FLOWING ACROSS AND INSTEAD THEY'RE GOING TO CHANNELIZE IT.
SO EVERYTHING GENERALLY FLOWS NORTH INTO 1660, WHERE IT WOULD BE CAPTURED THAT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED.
I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT MY EMAIL CAUSE I KNOW PAT SENT AN EMAIL.
THAT, THAT ONE WAS JUST IMMEDIATE RED FLAG FOR ME, LIKE, OKAY, THE WATER'S GOING FROM ESSENTIALLY NORTH TO SOUTH ACROSS THE MAY HER PROPERTY.
AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLETELY DO A ONE ON IT, HOW IT'S NOT YOUR PROPERTY.
AND I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, EVEN IF IT'S A 90 DEGREE CHANGE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, TO ME, THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS.
ONE OF JUST A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, I CAN GET THAT BACK TO AND JUST DO IT AS PRIOR TO RECREATION.
UM, IS THE WAY I WOULD SAY I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN THE COMMENTS THAT HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT.
SO I KNOW ENGINEERING'S LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT IS, UM, ANY POTENTIAL INCREASED PEAK FLOWS AND WHAT IT DOES, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY IT'S, IT'S FLOWING SOUTH OR EAST AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD, BUT THAT MAY HER PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE IN CIRCLING.
AND THAT ALSO, THAT MAY JUST BE WHERE THEY PUT THAT LABEL AND IT'S NOT TRULY AFFECTING, BUT GENERALLY IT'S FLOWING EAST TO WEST OR WEST TO EAST, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO MOSTLY FOR THE SOUTH, BUT NOT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S MORE A LABELING ISSUE ON THIS, BUT I'LL GET CLARIFICATION, BUT YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN'T, THAT WOULD BE AGAINST STATE LAW.
THAT'S A RED FLAG FOR ME, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE TWO THAT ARE LISTED, UM, WE CAN AT LEAST GET CLARIFICATION FROM OUR ENGINEERS AND THEN AS WELL WILCO ENGINEERS.
IF WE COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
UM, SO I KNOW THIS IS IN THE ETJ, RIGHT.
AND IT'S KIND OF REMAINED IN THE ETJ, CORRECT.
SO IS THAT THE REASON WHY THEY'RE BEING ALLOWED TO HAVE 40 FOOT LOTS? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE PART OF IT WAS PART OF THE ALLOWANCES THAT WERE DONE IN THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT CONSENT AGREEMENT.
SO BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY PRE AGREED TO THEY CAN'T WELL IN PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANNEX.
AND SO PART OF THE BACK AND FORTH, IF YOU'RE DOING MUNICIPAL UTILITY AGREEMENT IS I WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE COUNTY, BUT I ALSO NEED TO DO THIS.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN GET SOME CAUSE THE COUNTY WOULD ALLOW A 40 FOOT LOT? SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT.
CAN I STILL MAINTAIN SOME OF WHAT I HAVE BY RIGHT IN THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO STILL, UM, DO THESE THINGS, THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY YESTERDAY WAS REALLY JUST A FINANCING MECHANISM, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE CITY'S APPROVAL WITH THAT.
AND SO THE TRADE-OFF FOR THAT IS THEN WE ARE GETTING SOME TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.
WE ARE GETTING THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.
WE ARE GETTING MORE, UM, CUSTOMERS ON THAT SYSTEM TO HELP FUND THAT SYSTEM EVEN FURTHER.
SO THERE'S TRADE OFFS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A MIX OF 40 FOOT I KNOW ON THIS PLOT, UM, THERE'S A MIX OF FIFTIES AND SOME OTHERS AS WELL, BUT YET FOR THE MOST PART ON THIS ONE, IF YOU RECALL IN THAT PRELIMINARY, WE DO HAVE A DECENT MIX OF USES.
IT'S NOT JUST ALL FORTIES, WHICH WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SMALLER LOTS, BUT WE DID GET SOME LARGER.
SO ON YOUR FIRST SLIDE, THAT 80% OF THEM WERE 40 FOOT LOTS.
THERE'S A, WELL, YEAH, ON THIS ONE, THERE'S A LARGE PORTION AND SOME OF THAT IS ALSO DIFFERENT, I BELIEVE, BUT YES, THE SOUTH PORTION IS MORE BECAUSE THIS ONE'S KIND OF SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO ROADWAYS AND THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY IN THERE GOING SOUTH OF THAT, BACK TO THE, UM, BRUSHY CREEK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FEEL.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
A LOT OF THIS IS COMING IN PRETTY DENSE, BUT IT HAS A FEW MORE, I WOULD SAY MULTIPLE MORE FIFTIES.
SIMILAR QUESTION I HAD FOR WHEN THE SOUTH WIND CAME UP BEFORE, UM, ARE THEY ALLOCATING ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AT THE FULL 440 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
ARE THEY GOING TO DO THERE WAIT FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY FINAL PLAT? SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAD THAT FIVE-YEAR
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CLAUSE IN THERE IT'LL FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHAT THEY DID FOR THE RIGHT.BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS GOING IN, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THIS WILL BE THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
IT WON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF GHOSTING OVER POTENTIAL TOWNHOMES OR ANYTHING.
THEY'VE UM, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD AND WORKING ALSO BECAUSE IT HAS A WILLIAMSON COUNTY PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD AT GOING BACK AND FORTH AND WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT THERE YET, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT.
BUT WE KNOW WITH HOW QUICKLY THIS IS ALL DEVELOPING THERE.
UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS GOING TO BE THERE IN AN ADVANCED, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S BEING COVERED.
CAUSE WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THE SOUTH PORTION BEFORE THEY WERE A LITTLE IFFY BACK AND FORTH ABOUT NOT ALLOWING THE SPACE.
SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED, UM, BECAUSE ON THEIR PLAN, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ADEQUATE SPACE RIGHT NOW FOR IT.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY ARE MAKING SURE THEY'RE DOING THAT BEFORE WE GET TO ANY KIND OF FINAL BLAB.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST MORE OF A KIND OF QUESTION.
SO PAGE 77 OF OUR PACKET, I BELIEVE HAS THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH I KNOW AS I'VE HAVE SAID ON P AND Z NOW FOR OVER A YEAR, I'VE REALIZED CONCEPT PLANS REALLY MEAN NOTHING ANYMORE.
UM, AND THEY'RE NOT BINDING AT ALL, BUT IT DID SHOW COMMERCIAL SLASH MULTI-FAMILY, UM, AND A LARGE PORTION FRONTING THE, UM, SOUTHEAST LOOP, WHICH HAS NOW ALL BEEN REPLACED WITH ONLY MULTI-FAMILY.
SO I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE NO ACTUAL PLAN TO PUT ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL ALONG SOUTHEAST LOOP ANYMORE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE, ISN'T GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, I THINK BECAUSE OF WHO THEIR USERS ARE AND THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO EITHER OR IN THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN THAT CONCEPT PLAN THEY CHOSE OR, UM, BUT I KNOW FOR AT LEAST FOR THE, FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING INTERNALLY ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE SHOWING A LOT MORE SO WHERE WE HAVE THAT ZONING CONTROL OR THAT FORESIGHT, I THINK MOVING FORWARD, BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THAT CORRIDOR IS GOING TO BE.
NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED OUT COMMERCIAL ALONG IT.
I THINK IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE SOME OPEN SPACE AND SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT THOSE LARGER INTERSECTIONS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME COMMERCIAL NODES POPPING UP.
SO I'M DEFINITELY EXCITED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THAT AROUND.
I'M SO EXCITED FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS ON WEDNESDAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD ONE WEEK.
ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE THEM CREATE AN OPEN SPACE, UM, TABLE INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM LABEL OPEN SPACE ON EACH? YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE SO SMALL, THEY HAVE THE OPEN SPACE GOING OVER OUR GREEN LINK GOING OVER THE LOT NUMBERS.
MAYBE WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THEM CLEAN ALL OF THAT UP.
I BELIEVE THAT'S AN, UM, AN, A NOTE ALREADY FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE, JUST THE LABEL CLEANUP.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF IT.
AND THEN THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHAT AM I ON PAGE EIGHT OF 11 OF IT? SO THEY HAVE A CALL-OUT FOR PROPOSED 42 INCH OFFSITE INTERCEPTOR AND THEIR PROPOSED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LIFT STATION.
BUT THE LINE WEIGHT SHOWS AS IF IT'S EXISTING.
SO IS THAT EXISTING OR IS THAT ACTUALLY PROPOSED? WILL THEY INSTALL THAT THAT SHOULD BE PROPOSED AND THEY WILL HAVE TO INSTALL IT AS PART OF THE MUD CONSENT AGREEMENT IN LESS, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD GETS THERE FIRST AND THEY INSTALL IT.
SO THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE THE LINE.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ENGINEERS COMMENTS ON OUR SIDE THIS MORNING WAS THE LAST LIKE, HEY, THIS LINE WEIGHT DIDN'T CHANGE.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON 4.6.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.6.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON ITEM 4.6 AS PRESENTED WITH THE COMMENTS AND STAFF NOTES PROVIDED PLUS THE ONE THAT YOU'VE HAD, RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR, HUDSON AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR LEE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THEN I WILL CALL THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
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ALL OPPOSED.SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO, MOVING ON TO 4.7 CONSIDERATION.
IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON BELLIARD SCHMITZ CREEK PRELIMINARY PLAT 30.3, ONE ACRES.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN ONE COMMERCIAL, LOT LOCATED OFF OF EDGE MITT AND FUTURE LIVE OAK EXTENSION.
WE'VE SEEN THIS ONE A LOT RECENTLY.
SO THIS IS THE 2.6 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL LIVE OAK RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND SO YOU SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF MULTIFAMILY, ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE, ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU ALSO SEE THE KIND OF WHERE THEIR DETENTION IS CALLED OUT ON THIS.
UM, AS YOU REMEMBER IN THE PD, PART OF THAT WAS KIND OF, THEY WERE CALLING IT OUT AS AMENITY AND IT'S GONNA LOOK BEAUTIFUL ALONG THIS ROADWAY AND IN THAT SMALLER PIECE OF COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF A LIFE OF EXTENSION AND EDGE MEANT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE JUST A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ON THIS ONE, UM, THAT PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT SUBMITTAL, NOT RECREATION, BUT PRIOR TO COMING IN WITH A FINAL PLOT THAT WE WANT TO SEE ALL LOT BLOCKS ARE UPDATED TO SHOW ALPHANUMERIC CALL-OUT.
SO TYPICALLY WE DO BLOCK A LOT, ONE THAT SORT OF THING.
THESE ARE ALL, UM, I THINK IT WAS A LOT AB AND C AND THEN NOTE TWO WILL BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CORRECT, UM, PUD AND THAT DATE AND UPDATE THE P AND Z APPROVAL NOTE WITH THE CORRECT DATE.
I THINK THEY JUST HAD XS FOR THE DATE.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN AND THEN ALL ENGINEERING LABEL UPDATES WILL BE COMPLETED.
THERE WERE A FEW POND CALL-OUTS AND SOME OTHERS THAT THE WORDING NEEDED TO BE CHANGED.
AND I THINK IT WAS JUST SIX LABELING THINGS.
UM, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT ONE, BUT THIS WAS JUST A PRETTY SIMPLE PLOT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE LOTS.
I KNOW WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE ITEMS WHEN THE PID CAME TO NOVEMBER OF 2021, UM, JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WERE ADDRESSED.
SO WE WERE, AT THAT POINT, WE CHANGED THE ZONING FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO BE ONE INSTEAD OF
IS THAT NOW REFLECTED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT? YES.
UM, I SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE SHOWING B ONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, WE WENT FROM B2B TO BE ONE AGENDA ITEM.
IT'S VERY TINY, BUT I DO REMEMBER I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO AMANDA BROWN SINCE THEN.
AND I WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT B TWO.
CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT USE IS GOING TO OCCUR.
BUT I THINK THERE, WE HAD A TYPO IN THE ORDINANCE, SO WE ACTUALLY SWITCHED OUT A SHEET BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE WAS SIGNED WITH THE, WHEN THE B2 CAME FORWARD FOR P AND Z.
AND THEN WHEN COUNCIL SAID YOU'RE RIGHT, LET'S DO B ONE.
UM, EVERYTHING WAS SIGNED OFF ON WHAT THAT ORIGINAL SHEET IN IT.
SO WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO UPDATE THAT SHEET.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER SMALL THING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BACK THEN WAS ENSURING THE SITE TRIANGLES WERE, UM, CORRECT.
CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD THE ISSUE WHERE THE CHURCH HAD SUBMITTED SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITE TRIANGLES, WHICH THEY ADDRESSED WITH I THINK FENCING.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CHANGED IN ANY, UM, PLANTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED LATER ON.
AND SO WE WILL DEFINITELY SEE THAT TYPE OF DETAIL IN THE FINAL PLOT ONCE THEY KNOW WHERE SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO GO.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN THE SITE PLANS, IT'LL BE REITERATED THERE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THEY ADDRESSED THIS, SORRY.
I WAS JUST BRINGING, MAKING SURE THE NOVEMBER STUFF WAS ADDRESSED THAT THE LIVE OAK BUILD-OUT IS GOING TO BE AT THE FULL FIVE LANE WITH, UM, WHICH IS PARKING AREAS AND BIKE LANES FOR NOW.
AND I THINK I SAW IN THAT ELEVATION, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, CORRECT.
THAT THEY'LL HAVE THE BIKE LANES AND SOMEWHERE ONE OF THESE PAGES THAT WOULD BE IN THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND HOW THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS GOING TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, UM, THE DIFFERENT WIDTHS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THAT PUD THAT WAS SHOWING THE BIKE LANES OR A MULTI-USE TRAIL.
AND THEY WANTED TO MODIFY THE LIVE OAK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING AT ALL ON STREET PARKING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ODD.
IF EVERYTHING ALONG THERE IS MULTIFAMILY AND GATED TO HAVE, THEN ON-STREET PARKING OUTSIDE OF THAT.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT WAS ONE THING THAT ENGINEER WAS LOOKING AT IS DURING THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MODIFY BECAUSE LIVE OAK IS, IT'S NOT LIKE THE LIVE OAK THAT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH THE CITY AREA WITH SOME ON-STREET PARKING, IT WILL PROBABLY FUNCTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THEY, THEY WON'T ACTUALLY HAVE, BECAUSE THE POINT OF THE DISCUSSION THEN WAS THAT THEY WILL CURRENTLY GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT OUT THE FULL FIVE LANE WIDTH.
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THEY'LL JUST RESTRICT IT BY PUTTING THE BIKE LANES IN.AND THE PARKING NOW SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASED ON THE CURRENT USE, THE ON-STREET PARKING MIGHT NOT BE AS BENEFICIAL, BUT THEY WILL STILL BE BUILDING OUT THE FULL FLIGHT.
BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY, I GUESS, LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT HORIZONTAL THING THAT WE GAVE YOU IN THE PUD, SOME OF THAT MAY CHANGE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DESIGNATING AS PARKING AND THE REST, IT WOULD STILL BE THAT FULL BUILDUP.
BUT I THINK IT MAY ACTUALLY FUNCTION BETTER WITHOUT PARKING ON THE STREET.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING INTO THAT OF LIKE, OH, SHOULD WE DO IT? SHOULD WE NOT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS SHOULDN'T SUBSTAIN, I MEAN, IT WILL SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORM, BUT THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE IN COMPLETE CONFORMANCE WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF BEING, JUST BEING DISCUSSED INTERNALLY, BUT NOT SHORTING ON THE FULL CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC WILL NEED THOSE WITS.
CHANGING IT FROM PARKING TO A BIKE LANE IS ESSENTIALLY PAINT IF THEY CONSTRUCTED OUT.
YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH PAINT AND JUST KIND OF STRIPE IT OUT.
LIKE PARKING WITH A BIKE LANE IS PERFECTLY FINE IF IT WORKS IN SOME AREAS AND NOT OTHER AREAS.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY BY THE COMMERCIAL MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT SOME PARKING HERE AND THERE.
SO BEFORE, WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION INTERSECTIONS OR WHEREVER ELSE, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS NICE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE CO-OP.
SO MAYBE IT IS A GOOD, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS THOUGH.
SO SOME OF THAT COULD WORK, BUT AGAIN, THE ABILITY TO JUST UNSTRAP IT AND MAKE IT THE FULL FIVE LANE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN LATER NOW, BY THE TIME THEY BUILD IT, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED THE FULL FIVE LANES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS ON 4.7, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.7.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM FOUR SEVEN WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS AS SHOWN BY STAFF COMMENTS.
I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE-CHAIR LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER.
ANY QUESTIONS I NEED DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
SAME SIGN MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO, NEXT ITEM FIVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
I THINK I'VE SAID IT ENOUGH TIMES.
IF YOU'RE ON C PECK, PLEASE SHOW UP NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, OR IF YOU ARE NOT ON SEAPAK AND YOU'RE JUST INTERESTED, WE DID DO A WORKSHOP LAST THURSDAY WHERE THE GROUP PRESENTED.
AND SO THERE WILL BE, UM, INFORMATION ON THAT ONLINE AND IT HAD SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING OVER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING EVEN THAT CAME UP IN DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT ARE WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES AS A CITY AND THE FIVE? UM, I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY GOOD, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ON SEAPAK PACK TO SEE THAT LIVABILITY.
AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE COMING UP.
SO EVEN BACK TO LIKE THE PARKS DISCUSSION, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF AND SEA PACK HAVE SAID, THIS IS OUR PRIORITY.
UM, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAIN THEME THROUGHOUT THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT AGAIN, IT DID GET WORKSHOP LAST THURSDAY WITH COUNCIL.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE C PACK NEXT WEDNESDAY, AND THEN OTHERWISE WE'VE GOT WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, GETTING WORKSHOP ON THE 15TH, WHICH I THINK THESE ARE GOING TO BE REALLY HELPFUL.
CAUSE WE KIND OF GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO COUNCIL PRIOR TO JUST HAVING TO TALK IN A PUBLIC MEETING AND HALF IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE UDC STUFF, I WANT TO BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT, DIGEST IT, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE IT COMES BACK FOR ACTION.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST SMACK HERE YOU GO MAKE, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING THAT HAS LONGER LASTING EFFECTS ON THE CITY AS A WHOLE LAST WEEK'S WORKSHOP.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A RECORDING ISSUE BECAUSE IT WAS UP IN EXECUTIVE.
UM, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LOADED ONLINE THOUGH.
AND TALKING TO ALISON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE DID PART OF THE PIT STUFF, WE ONLY HAD A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEY WERE LIKE, GO AND I WAS LIKE, LET'S JUST RUN THROUGH THIS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT IRONED OUT SO THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING TRUTH.
EVERYTHING I KNOW WE HAD, I CAN GET CONFIRMATION, BUT YES, IT WAS, THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE IT RECORDED.
I KNOW WE WERE RECORDING BECAUSE ALISON WAS TELLING ME THAT I HAD TO SPEAK UP MORE.
I WAS LIKE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TOLD I'M NOT LOUD.
COUNCIL WAS LIVESTREAMED SIMILAR TO THIS.
IT IS RECORDED AND THEN POSTED.
SEAPAK SEAPAK COMP PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
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THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED, BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE COMPENSATION STUDY THAT WAS ALSO GOING ON AND EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, OH, COMP PLAN.WHY ARE YOU IN THE MONEY? I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, IT'S JUST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY, UM, THINGS I CAN THINK OF.
AND IF YOU HAVE NOT MET OR WE MET JOHN BY ROOM, UM, HE WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST HIRES AFTER I GOT HERE IN HUTTOE, UM, TO THE TEAM AND WITH AUTUMN'S DEPARTURE TO MAINE, JOHN WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO AGREE TO COME HOME.
SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S KIND OF BEEN LIKE GETTING AN OLD FAMILY.
IT'S LIKE TRULY GETTING THE BAND BACK TOGETHER AT THIS POINT.
CAUSE I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES HAVEN'T CHANGED TOO MUCH.
AND SO HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING AND JUST HAVING SOMEBODY THAT ALREADY UNDERSTANDS MY PERSONALITY, THAT I CAN BE LIKE 15 PLACES AT ONCE AND STILL NEED TO FOCUS.
SO THIS IS A SKILL THAT EVERYBODY HAS.
I'M LIKE, CAUSE I'M LIKE THE OCTOPUS IN THE AIR, BUT ALSO I'M FAIRLY FOCUSED.
I THINK ALL STAFF HAS REALLY EXCITED.
UM, I KNOW NOT JUST ME, BUT SPEAKING FOR ALL STAFF, LIKE WE WERE JUST EXCITED.
EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WAS COMING BY.
CAUSE WE PUT YOUR NAME PLATE UP FIRST AND THEY WERE LIKE, JOHN'S COMING BACK.
I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS SO PRECIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE KIND OF LIKE WHEN JEFF CAME BACK, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE OF LIKE, OKAY, WE W WE GOT WHATEVER PEOPLE BACK.
SO IF YOU HAVE NOT YET MET HIM, PLEASE JUST COME SAY HI RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S ALL WE REALLY HAVE.
WE'RE MOVING AND GROOVING AND, UM, IT'S SEPTEMBER NOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO AUGUST.
I KNOW IT HAPPENED, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, I JUST KNOW, KIND OF CAME AND WENT.
I THINK SCHOOL STARTING REALLY MESSED ME.
SO OTHERWISE, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY I HAVE, I THINK THREE PAGES OF NOTES.
IF I COULD HAVE YOUR NOTES, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
UM, AND THEN I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS AND JUST KIND OF DOING A BLIND CARBON TO EVERYBODY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION POINTS TONIGHT THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON.
I'LL GET THOSE FOR YOU AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING GOING BEFORE COUNCIL ON THE 15TH BECAUSE THE EIGHTH IS TOMORROW OR THURSDAY IS SPECIAL, SPECIAL CALLED TOMORROW IS SPECIAL CALLED BASED ON THE BUDGET AND ON THE 15TH.
NO, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THESE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THANKFULLY ALL THANK GOODNESS FOR JAMES ARAB.
CAUSE HE'S NOTES THAT I'VE BEEN ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.
HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE ANY KIND OF GAVE ME THAT LOOK OF LIKE LAST WEEK I WAS THERE FOR MOST OF IT.
AND THEN, BUT NO, THE OTHER ONE, I WAS NOT THERE FOR, THERE WAS, THERE HAVE BEEN, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO TO EVERY OTHER ONE, WHICH YOU GUYS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S A LIFE-CHANGING, UM, IT REALLY, IT TRULY IS.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THE 15TH, ALTHOUGH I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND, UM, THE WATERWAY SPONSORED MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD.
I THINK WITH THE CIP DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD TONIGHT, UM, I WILL SEE NOT LIVE STREAM RECORDED, BUT TYPICALLY POSTED THAT NEXT DAY.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
I PROBABLY WILL STAY FOR THAT JUST BECAUSE WHERE I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN IT.
I THINK, I MEAN, I HAVE TO BE, BUT IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE A GREAT DISCUSSION TO HEAR KIND OF, TO YOUR POINT OF THE 40 MILLION AND HOW DID THAT NUMBER GET? UM, AND WHERE ARE WE IN THAT, THOSE REALLY CRAZY GRAPHS OF, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE, AND THIS IS WHAT OUR GROWTH PROJECTION IS AND WHAT NUMBERS DO WE HAVE TO HIT BECAUSE TC WHO'S GOING TO BE MONITORING AS WELL.
SO THAT WILL ALL HAPPEN NEXT THURSDAY.
AND AGAIN, COMP PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE NEXT WEDNESDAY, THAT'S IT? YEP.
WHICH ONE COMP PLAN? UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE TRYING TO START AT FIVE 30 THIS TIME.
CAUSE I, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT TO GO OVER AND I WANTED TO GET EVERYBODY IN AND OUT IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MEET UPSTAIRS CAUSE I KNOW PARKS IS GOING TO BE GOING TO BE HERE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE UPSTAIRS IN THE EXECUTIVE CONFERENCE ROOM, THE ONE IN THE SILO SIDE.
SO WHERE ARE WE UP IN THAT WAY? YES.
I'M LIKE, WHERE AM I RIGHT NOW? UM, UP IN TOWARDS, IF YOU GO UP THE STAIRS, IT'LL BE DOWN TOWARDS THE RIGHT.
WE'LL HAVE SIGNS AND EVERYTHING.
AT LEAST COME AND JUST, I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST POP BY AND SEE WHAT THE LAND USE MAP LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE'RE.
CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BUST OUT SOME MARKERS AND HAVE SOME REAL FUN.
I BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS.
I'M GOING TO BRING MY PR I'M GOING TO BRING MY LIKE FOUR FOOT PRINT OUT TO NO, IT'S TOTALLY.
AND I WAS JUST LIKE, YES, I WANT ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH THE NEXT COMP PLAN.
AND BY TRICKING THEM, I'M GOING TO BRING LIKE 36 DIFFERENT COLOR MARKERS JUST TO CONFUSE.
THEY WILL HAVE THEM THERE TOO FOR YOUR USE.
I WAS JUST GONNA BRING THE 96 BOX AT CRAYOLA AND GOLD SCHOOL, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.
WELL WITH THAT, I BELIEVE IT IS TIME TO ADJOURN.
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AND WE WILL ADJOURN AT 10 26.