* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. DO [00:00:01] YOU WANT ME TO TEXT? I FORGOT MY HELMET. [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] TEXT MARTY. HE'S ALREADY ON IT. ALL RIGHT. SIX O'CLOCK. WE'D RATHER HIM. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2022 TO ORDER. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. HERE. COUNCIL CLERK HERE. MAYOR SNYDER'S. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER OR MAYOR PROTE GORDON. COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR HERE. RIGHT. BRINGS US TO ITEM [3.1 Personal Financial Disclosure Statements (Legal)] THREE ONE, PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE STATEMENTS. WE STAND DOWN HERE GOING UPSTAIRS. UPSTAIRS. ALL RIGHT. WE MOVE UPSTAIRS AT 6 0 1. SO WHAT I DID IS PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE THAT THIS, AND EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH CHAPTER 1 71, THE LOCAL CODE, THE FASCINATE. AND IT'S WHEN UM, WE A LOCAL PUBLIC OFFICIAL, WHICH INCLUDES COUNCIL, WHETHER YOU COLLECTIVE OR APPOINTED, PAID OR UNPAID. AND THEN, UM, ANYBODY FOR EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE ASIDE THAT ADVISORY. SO THAT WOULD BE PLAIN ZONE COMMISSION. AND SO WE HAVE THE FORM THAT YOU FILL OUT AND HAVE THIS CHAPTER 1 71 CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU OWN 10% OR MORE OF A VOTING STOCK OF A BUSINESS ENTITY, 10% OR 15,000, MORE OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF BUSINESS ENTITY. OR YOU RECEIVE FUNDS THAT ARE 10% INCOME FOR THE EVEN. YEAH. YOU ALSO HAVE A PROPERTY, THE EQUITY OF PROPERTY'S ONE FIVE $2,005. I DID GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE UM, , UM, THE RELATIVES AND WE CALL, SO RELATIVES COMMENTS CHARGE FOR CHAPTER 1 71. FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE IS UM, THE RELATIVE WITHIN THE FIRST DEGREE OF SANITY, WHICH IS BLOOD RELATIVE, YOUR DAUGHTER OR SON, UM, OR AFFINITY, WHICH IS YOUR SON-IN-LAW, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR INTERESTS ARE LOOKING LONGER CHART EITHER BLOOD RELATIVES OR, AND YOU KNOW THAT UM, YOU HAVE THE SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST. YOU GO ON THE WHERE THE TEST, WHETHER IT HAS SPECIAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT, IT'S UM, SOMETHING THAT MAKES BE REAL PART THAT GO UP, GO DOWN SOME SORT FORESEEABLE, UM, IMPACT ON WITH THIS CONSENT. WHERE IS THAT ONE OUT? CAUSE I REMEMBER ONE TIME WE HAD TO FILL SOMETHING OUT IN ACTION. IS THERE A A DOCUMENT FOR THAT OR WE DEVELOPED A COMFORT OF INTEREST FORM. WE'VE ALSO ADDED TO THE FORM A STATEMENT AT THE BOTTOM. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUSINESS ENTITIES, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY 10 10 OR YOU THE TEST IN CHAPTER ONE HAS YOU CAN THESE DISCLOSE THAT ON. AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THAT YOU'RE A NONPROFIT BOARD AND THE NONPROFIT BOARD COMES AT SEA AND PASS FOR SOMETHING. A LOT OF TIMES COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I REPRESENTED LIKE TO DISCLOSE THEIR UM, RELATIONSHIP TO THAT NON-PROFIT FUND FORM MAKE PART OF THE PUBLIC. AND UM, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO DECISION WHETHER IT'S TO GET LAND YOUR BRAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW IF YOU DON'T, UM, COMPLY WITH UH, 1 71 PLACE, HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THE NEXT ONE IS CHAPTER 1 76, SOMETHING THAT UM, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO. BUT UM, AND THEN IF YOU DO HAVE TO FILL OUT THE CHAPTER 1 76 STATEMENT FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, FORM ON CITIES THAT HAVE THE WEBSITE, HAVE TO POST IT ON THE WEBSITE. SO 1 76 APPLIES TO ANY WRITTEN CONTRACT FOR SALE OR PURCHASE PROPERTY GOODS, PERSONAL PROPERTY OR SERVICES. SO ANYTHING CONTRACT OR SKILLED OR UNSKILLED LABOR AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. SO THE VENDOR FILES THE CONFLICT'S, QUESTIONING IF THE VENDOR HAS BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CITY AND EMPLOYMENT OR OTHER [00:05:01] BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OFFICER OFFICER'S FAMILY. SO IF YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, UM, UM, AND THAT FAMILY MEMBER RECEIVES TAXABLE INCOME AND IT'S MORE THAN $2,500 RECEIVING 12 TIMES, YOU WOULD FILE REQUEST ALSO, UM, IF THE VENDOR HAS GIVEN AN OFFICER OF OFFICER'S FAMILY MEMBER ONE OR MORE, ITS TOTAL, UH, A HUNDRED DOLLARS PRECEDING 12 MONTHS OR HAS A FAMILY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OFFICER. SO YOU'RE, BUT THERE'S SORT OF EXCEPTIONS. IF THE UM, FAMILY RELATIONSHIP IS UM, IT'S UM, IN THE CLOSE FAMILY RELATIONSHIP THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THE CHAPTER 1, 7 6. SO, UM, AND IF YOU AWARE OF CHAPTER 1 76 BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITHIN SEVEN DAYS AT THE TIME YOU BECOME AWARE YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE UPDATE. SO IF THIS APPLIES TO UM, THE COUNCIL THAT ELECTED OR APPOINTED, IT APPLIES TO UM, SOMEBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE VENDOR, THEY COLLEAGUES STATEMENT AND THEN THE VENDORS HAVE TO FILE THEIR CONFLICT OF INTEREST. SO 1 76 IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH STAFF SITUATION DO ARISE THAT WE FINE GETS ONCE BECAUSE THEY EVERYTHING FILE THE WEBSITE. SO IF YOU OUR LAY LAWYER THAT SEEN FIVE, YOU SHOULD FILE IT WITHIN . IF YOU DON'T, UM, DO THAT AND FAIL CLASS EIGHT EIGHT. THE MISDEMEANOR DEPENDING ON THE FOR THE VALIDITY OF THE CONTRACT. IS IT SO THAT THE UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, THE UM, ELECTED APPOINT AND STAFF MEMBERS THAT DEAL WITH THESE CENTERS ARE OR UM, SUBSTANCE ACCOUNTS, A FEW OTHERS. PROPERTY ACQUIRED WITH PUBLIC FUNDS. IF A PUBLIC SERVANT HAS A LEGAL APPLICABLE INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE FOUND AFFIDAVIT WITH THE CITY 10 DAYS BEFORE THE DAY PROPERTY IS ACQUIRED. SO FIVE, THE PUBLIC SERVANT, THE PERSON IS ELECTED, APPOINTED, EMPLOYED, OR DESIGNATED EVEN IF NOT YET QUALIFIED FOR HAVING INCENTIVE TO DO THIS OFFICE. SO IT COULD BE A CANDIDATE NOMINATE OR ELECTED ELECTION PUBLIC OFFICE OR AN OFFICER. SO PUBLIC FUNDS OR FUNDS COLLECTED INCLUDE SEVEN SUGGESTS THAT THE PUBLIC SERVANTS REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE HER INTEREST IN THE PROPERTIES AND DOING THE PROPERTIES TO BE ACQUIRED BY SEPARATE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, PUBLIC SERVANTS NOT. SO THERE'S NOT A FULL LOT OF CASES ON THIS RETURN GENERAL OPINIONS. BUT UM, WANTED BE AWARE THAT UM, WHEN PROPERTY IS BEING ACQUIRED, IF WE'RE DOING SAME KIND EFFORT WHEN SOMEBODY NOT GET ELECTED THESE AND IT'S LIMITED TO REAL. SO THE BIG ONE THAT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS CHAPTER 1 45 DISCLOSURE CITY POPUL A HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE. SO THE LAW IN CHAPTER 1 75 ONLY APPLIES CITIES WITH THE POPULATION OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND OF AND THEY FILE HAVE TO TAKE THE UM, EFS PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT THAT IS UM, ON THE TEXAS ETHICS MISSION WEBSITE AND IT DOES HAVE INSTRUCTIONS THAT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FOR THIS PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT WHAT'S DEVELOPED FOR STATE OFFICER UNDER CHAPTER 5 72 OF THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY IT TALKS ABOUT ITS ONLY APPLIES TO STATE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILY. SO WHEN THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO MAKE CS THE POPULATION 7,001 TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT THEN UM, [00:10:01] SEE WE'RE VERY MUCH AGAINST CITY CENTER THOUSAND POPULATION AND FILE THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE. SO, UM, RATHER THAN I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 45, UM, THAT SET OUT THAT, AND REALLY THE ISSUE WAS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE CITY UNDER HALF HUNDRED THOUSAND VISA FORM AND TO GIVE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION, I BELIEVE IT SENT IT. SO, UM, A PROPOSAL TO GET THEM COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD ASKED FOR AN ATTORNEY GENERAL TREATMENT. AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE. THE SECOND ISSUE IS UM, IF YOU CAN USE THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT, DO YOU WANT TO OR DO YOU WANT TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN? I THINK THAT PART OF OUR ARGUMENT, UM, IT GETS TO THE REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS THAT WE UM, AS A HOME RURAL CITY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP A PERSONAL AL STATEMENT AND DECIDE WHAT OFFICERS, WHETHER OR ELECTED ARE APPOINTED OR CITY DEPARTMENT ABLE TO APPLY IT TO AND THAT THE CITY COULD BE ABLE TO APPLY IT TO AND IT'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE. SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES OF THE REQUEST TO GO. YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT A CITY CAN'T DO IT BY ITSELF. IT JUST SAYS THAT THE LAW BE REQUIRES OF UNDER US. RIGHT? RIGHT. CITY THAT WORD ONLY AND THERE'S A LOT OF EMPHASIS IN THE TESTIMONY ONLY REQUIRES, ONLY REQUIRES IT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR OWN REQUIREMENT ON TOP OF THAT. IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY CITIES UNDER A THOUSAND ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT. IT SAYS IT'S ONLY REQUIRED OVER BUT ONLY COULD BE LIKE, LIKE YOU CAN'T RUN FOR OFFICE, ONLY PEOPLE OVER 25 CAN RUN FOR HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE. SO YOU COULDN'T SAY WELL I COULD ELECT SOMEONE WHO'S UNDER 25 OR A GO CITY KNOW BECAUSE ONLY IS NO, BUT I SAY ONLY YOU HAVE ONLY 25 CAN RUN FOR REP. THEY CAN SAY THAT BUT THEY CAN'T TELL US THAT WE CAN'T SAY UNDER 25 COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT THE APPEAL, HERE'S MY QUESTION, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING IS THAT'S ALL THE ISSUE. IT WAS THAT WE REFERENCED CHAPTER 1 45 IN OUR ORDINANCE. SO HYPOTHETICALLY WE'D SAY CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU REDO EVERY ONE OF THESE SHEETS? PLAGIARIZE 'EM CHANGE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FONT, BUT WE WANT THE EXACT SAME FORMS, THE EXACT SAME POLICY AND WE'LL CALL IT CHAPTER ONE OF THE HUDDLE, WHATEVER. WE'RE PAST THAT THEN THAT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL IS WHAT I HEAR. OR JUST SAY EXCLUDING 1 45 0 0 1 THAT HAS A RESTRICTION, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS ONLY REQUIRED OVER HUNDRED THOUSAND, RIGHT? WE'RE REQUIRING IT FOR OUR CITY PERIOD. RIGHT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ALMOST AN EASIER FIX IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ABIDE BY THIS THEN INSTEAD OF GOING TO AT ROUTE, WHICH I MIND AT A CUZ I LIKE TO SEE HUDDLE IN THE BOOKS, BUT THE KEY IS, IS YOU JUST CHANGE THE FORM AND LIKE DAN SAID, YOU JUST SAY INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING ALL CHAPTER 1 45, YOU SAY ALL CHAPTER 1 45 MINUS CHAPTER 1 45 LEVEL ONE. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN CUZ THE WHOLE INTENT FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME WAS TO GET US TO FOLLOW WHAT THE BIGGER CITY'S FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU CAN'T HIDE ANYTHING TYPE THING. AND SO THE IDEA WAS WE BEEN ATTACH IT TO 1 45 SO AS THE STATE CHANGED THEN IT AUTOMAT YOU CHANGE TOO. BUT THEN IF THAT CAUSE AN ISSUE, THEN I THINK THE EASIEST THING IS YOU JUST TAKE OUT THAT ONE REFERENCE THEN THAT WAY UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DEVELOP A FORM AND MAINTAIN A FORM AND ALL THAT GOES WITH THAT. WE'RE JUST USING PERFORMANCE FREE CAUSE IT'S A PAIN TO FILL OUT. WELL THE OTHER THING TOO IS IN YOUR ETHICS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS TEST THAT OUT, LOOK AT UNDER YOUR POLICY YOU REALLY WANNA JUST REQUIRE FLOW SETS, DIFFICULT CANDIDATES AND APPOINTEES AND PRIVATE FINANCIAL AND OTHER INTERESTS AND MATTERS TEXAS DECISION. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS IT'S BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY LAWS ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE ANYWAY AND FORMS TO FILL OUT SHOULD YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL FORM AND IF YOU CHOOSE WHAT SORTS OF PRIVATE FINANCIAL MATTERS YOU WANNA REQUIRE DISCLOSURE OF AND THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT APPLY TO WILL WE WANNA APPLY TO CANADA 20 PER OFFICE? YOU WANNA APPLY INTO ONLY BOARDS THAT HAVE UM, A UM, NON ADVISORY BOARDS. SO [00:15:01] I THINK THE QUESTION OF WHO TO APPLY TO IS, IS VALID. WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DIG INTO. UM, I THINK THE QUESTION OF WHAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOUGH, WE'RE GETTING TO HAVING TO DO A, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH ON WHETHER IT'S OKAY TO ASK FOR A CERTAIN PIECE OF INFORMATION OR NOT. AND IF THE STATE'S ALREADY DONE ALL THAT, IT HAS A QUANTUM AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T, I DON'T THAT OUT IT TAKES FOREVER. BUT EITHER WE, I THINK IF IT USES STATE FORM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK DEVELOPMENT, TO ME THAT'S NOT A GREAT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AS A FINANCIAL, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? A FINANCIAL WORK? YEAH, ANYTHING THAT'S FINANCIAL THERE THAT'S NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THIS. THIS IS GOT, IF YOU OWN A HOUSE THAT'S A PAGE. IF YOU OWE MONEY ON THE HOUSE, THAT'S A PAGE THAT TELLS YOU BANKS. I MEAN PEOPLE HAVE TO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR BANKS, YOUR STOCKS, YOUR BROKERAGE, UM, YOUR KIDS, UH, ANY CUSTODIAL ACCOUNTS, I MEAN TO WHERE IF YOU GET AROUND THAT YOU'LL GET AROUND IT AND AT THAT POINT YOU COULD JUST BE BUYING, UM, WHICH THIS WHOLE THING IS BASED ON PEOPLE GETTING HONEST ANYWAY. BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS LIE AND WAIT FOR PERCENT AMOUNT AT WHAT YOU PAY 500 BUCKS OR SOMETHING IN THE CITY FOR VIOLATION. THE ONLY TIME I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE LAST TIME I LOOKED WAS CRITICAL APPEAR REALLY I, IT SOUNDED ME. I RIGHT, BUT IT YOU'RE DEPENDENT CHILD SO IT'S SOMETHING INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, UM, MARRIED, UM, UM, UM, WELL I GOT YOU. LIKE UH, YEAH THAT'S SO TELLS ME IS SOMEBODY 18? RIGHT. AND THE ONLY REASON, LIKE I WAS THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT PUSHED THAT. THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT WAS I DIDN'T WANT BE QUITE HONEST THE LEADER OF THE CITY PUTTING ASSETS IN A KIDS' NAME BECAUSE AS WEIRD THINGS WERE HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE EVER FOUND OUT THAT EIGHT YEAR OLD KID DID A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT, IT'D COME BACK. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA KNOW ABOUT, UM, A MOTHER-IN-LAW'S COUSIN OR NEPHEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THAT POINT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FINANCIAL, THE THE, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOUR UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST ONE COMES IN. YEAH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING A PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT WHETHER WE USE THIS OR DEVELOP OUR OWN. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I GUESS WHERE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IS, IS ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. IT DOES HAVE A SECTION, I THINK IT IS KIND OF REPETITIVE. THERE'S UM, CRAIG . BUT UM, IT DOES ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY PRIVATE FINANCIAL OR INTERESTS AFFECTING THE CITY AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS OR THEY MAY BE INTIMIDATED TO APPLY COMING UPON THIS QUESTION. AND I THINK IT IS ASKED MAYBE TWICE ON I'LL HAVE TO UM, PULL IT UP WITH AN APPLICATION. SO IT'S LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO INTIMIDATE AND PUSH PEOPLE AWAY FROM WANTING TO CERTAINLY, UM, ON OUR BOARD COMMISSIONS WITH WITH, WITH THIS RIGHT HERE, WHICH I'M ALL FOR, BUT THERE'S KIND OF OTHER SIDES THINK OUTSIDE OF US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND UH, CITY, CITY MANAGER, THINGS LIKE THAT. . BUT JUST THAT'S KIND MY SECOND. I COULD SEE TC REQUIRED TO CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT UM, WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IF THEY GET INTO STEERING DECISION MAKING ON WHETHER IT BE CONTRACTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND I THINK THEY NEED TO. AND THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS ANYBODY WHO CAN SWAY CAN WALK INTO A COUNCIL AND SAY YOU GUYS'S REALLY OUGHT TO GO WITH COMPANY A, WHO I WANNA KNOW. DO THEY HAVE ANY FINANCIAL THINGS MOTIVATING THEM? EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE OTHER BOARD, I DON'T MIND PZ, I'M A LITTLE ON FENCE ABOUT BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU GET INTO PLANNING AND THEY DO SERVE AS AN ADVISORY BOARD AND WE DO TAKE A LOT OF WHAT THEY SAY AND GO, WELL THEY SAY THAT, BUT AGAIN, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WOULD COVER THAT. AND SO IT IS ADVISORY, NOT DECISION MAKING. UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, OUR PZ BOARD IS NOT MADE UP OF PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE ACTIVELY WORKING IN OUR CITY, BUT OTHER CITIES HAVE PNC BOARDS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND [00:20:01] MULTIPLE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE DRAFTING AND DRAWING AND, AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ALL THE BUSINESS. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE KEEPING TRACK AND EXCLUDING AND EXCUSING EACH OTHER. UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE AS WE GET MORE MATURE THE CITY, UM, EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME ON PNC NOW WE HAVE PROJECT MANAGER, A CIVIL ENGINEER, I THINK WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT'S ON THERE. WE HAVE REAL ESTATE. AND UM, EVEN ON THE, SEE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WE HAD A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT JOIN AND ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS AND I FELT GOOD ABOUT 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT JOINING WAS THAT POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND THEY REPRESENT PEOPLE. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEN AFTER LIKE NINE MONTHS THEY LEFT CUZ TOO MUCH ACTIVITY. BUT UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT INTIMIDATES PEOPLE. I GUESS MAYBE JUST THAT GUESS HAVING THE INFORMATION WITH OUR PACKET MAYBE. YEAH, HAVING LIKE AN EXTRA PAGE THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF A BLANKET STATEMENT. SOME PEOPLE MAY JUST BE LIKE, OH I DON'T MM-HMM . BUT ONCE THEY START, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE APPOINTED THEY START SHORT SERVING, THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH BABY. OR IF THEY GO THROUGH A TRAINING LIKE NEXT THURSDAY, THEN THEY'RE MORE AWARE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH WOW. BUT THEN THEY CAN SEPARATE IT RIGHT? THEN THEY'RE KNOWABLE BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEIR INFORMATION AFTER PEOPLE TO SEE, I CAN SEE SOME PEOPLE WHO I, I DON'T WANNA DISCLOSE ALL THAT. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO I'M WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T SERVE ON A, A DECISION MAKING BOARD. AND SO IF A PERSON SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'LL ONLY SERVE IF I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THAT, THEN TO ME THE RED FLAG GOES UP AND THAT'S IMMEDIATE. LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WON AND THAT'S GREAT AND SO WE MAY LOSE SOME GOOD CANDIDATES BUT I THINK ALSO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR BOARD AS THEY GROW, I THINK IN A LOT OF INDUSTRIES YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE ALL THAT STUFF ANYWAY. AND SO FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S SECOND NATURE. BUT LIKE EVEN OUR EDC NOW WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL BANKER WHILE THAT BANK WAS INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS WITH THEM COMING, I'D WANNA KNOW THAT CUZ POTENTIALLY THEY'RE THE LENDER. UM, TRYING TO THINK OF WHO ELSE WE HAVE ON THERE THAT I KNOW ITS NOT AS BAD AS IT ONCE WAS, BUT WHO ELSE THAT WOULD BE IN THERE? PERSON WHO RUNS A COMPANY THAT COULD ALWAYS EXPAND HERE. THEY'RE ON THERE CONSTRUCTION, BUT I THINK WE REPLACE MOST OF IT WITH THE ORDINANCE. JUST SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN YOU SEE, I THINK PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THEM ON WORK IS TRYING TO GET IT TO BE CHANGE AND LET THEM REQUIRED THEMSELVES AND WE HAVE TO THE NICELY ASKED. YEAH, YEAH. HOW THAT DISCUSSION TO SAY ANYTHING I THAT FOR ME IT WAS JUST ANYTHING. ALSO IT'S LINES WHERE ALL TERM FUNDS YOU LIKE THE MARCH 15TH, UNLESS IT OCCURS BEFORE THE ELECTION. FOR ME IT WAS LIKE HOW IS IT DUE BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT WAS VERY, SO THERE WERE OTHER PARTS OF IT THAT WERE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH FOR ME ABOUT THE DISCLOSURE. FOR ME, THEY NOW WOULD TURN ME OFF DISCUSSION TODAY'S DAY AND AGE AND IDENTITY THAT BECAUSE MAKE UP MY INFORMATION AND I KNOW THEY CAN REDACT IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT FOR ME THE KID'S INFORMATION IS MY BIGGEST KIND OF STICKLER POINT FOR ME. UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THE ACTUAL FORM ITSELF, IT WAS UM, JUST THE FINAL LINE OF WHEN IT WAS DUE AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF WOULD BE, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT MADE REHA, IT WAS VERY BROKEN. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I SAY. I AM OKAY WITH INDEPENDENT CHILD THAT IF YOU HAD TO WRITE LIKE DEPENDENT CHILD ONE, INDEPENDENT CHILD, TWO DEPENDENT THREE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THE NAMES BECAUSE IF YOU FIND OUT ONE OF MY KIDS OWNS PROPERTY OR A BUSINESS AND IS INVOLVED IN BUSINESS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, THE NAME OF IT DOESN'T MATTER. ALL THE MATTERS IS THAT ONE OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY AND I DIDN'T DISCLOSE IT. SO I I COULD, IF WE REDO IT, I COULD TOTALLY SEE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT LIKE WHATEVER, LIKE RIGHT OUT, YOU KNOW, A WHATEVER OF A DEPENDENT CHILD WHO JUST REQUIRED YEAH THAT YOU OR OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WHEN I TOOK, I TOOK HER OFF AND THEN MY SON TURNED 18. I WAS LIKE I SAY WORRY ABOUT HE'S GONE. WELL AS PART AS THE CONFLICT WITH AN OFFICIAL, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE KID WHO OWNS IT, IT'S THE ONE DOING BUSINESS SERVE ANOTHER KID. CAUSE WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T HELP IF IT'S, OH WELL MY BROTHER ONCE IT I, SO I CAN DO THIS, THIS YOU, THAT'S STILL ALL THE SAME POWER. BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE DATES. IF THE DATES ARE SET UP, I, IT'S CONFUSING EVEN ON THE UH, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LIKE 30 DATES BEFORE 15 [00:25:01] SEVEN UNLESS YOU'RE NOT RUNNING. AND THEN SO WE MADE THAT MORE STREAMLINED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT WORK. THE CITY SECRETARY HAS TO COLLECT THEM ALL AND THEN WHAT YOU'VE DONE, SEND THEM OUT TO THE EMPOWER COUNCIL AND POST 'EM ON THE WEBSITE. WELL THESE DON'T GET POST PUBLIC. THESE ARE, YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE A REQUEST, WHICH I'D LIKE TO HAVE 'EM JUST BE PUT ON THE WEBSITE. WELL NO YOU WOULDN'T PUT OUT EVERY STOCK YOU OWN. THAT'S NOT EVEN STATE LAW. THEY DON'T DO THIS IS ALWAYS, AND THERE'S LAWS THAT SAYS HOW BLISS IS HANDLED. CAN'T FINANCE IS ALWAYS, I'M TALKING THIS, SO IF YOU OWN STOCK YOU CAN PUT LESS THAN A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED TO 4 99, 5 TO A THOUSAND. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW LIKE I OWN PACK OLD STOCK. WOULD IT NOT BE IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT I OWN SAY 5,000 SHARES BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I GOT THIS HOT THING I'M RUNNING TO DDC, THEY GOT A CRACKER BARREL HERE, EVERYBODY CAN GO. YOU SHOULD BE EXCLUDING YOURSELF. YOU OWN A SIGNIFICANT STAKE. IT'S FIVE OR 10%. YOU DON'T OWN 10% CRACK. NO, I'M SAYING YOU'RE GOING ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I'M TALKING PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, BUT WHETHER ONE ADDITIONAL STORE OPENS ISN'T GONNA AFFECT THE STARBUCKS. SORRY. SO WHAT I HEAR IS THAT WE'VE TRY TO WEWORK WITH THE LUNCH BASED ON THE COMMENT, MAKE SURE WE GET THE FINDING CORRECT. C SECRETARY IS LONGER THAT'S GONNA BE CONNECTIONS LEDGE AND MAKING SORT OF LY AWARE OF CAUSE WE OPINION HE AND I KNOW IT'S FIND TOO AND ASK. I DON'T, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD ASK EXECUTIVE LOOK OVER D I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST TO LIMIT THE, LIKE DOES HE MAKE IT MORE LIKE AND I MY PEOPLE PARKS? YEAH. SO THAT, I MEAN ONE JUST LAST THING ON THE SOCK AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETIMES, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'M SUPPOSED SPLIT SO TWICE THIS YEAR. SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO ADD A HUNDRED, SPLIT IT AND SPLIT IT AGAIN. SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, FOR ME, WHO'S NOT A FINANCIAL PERSON TO KNOW OKAY, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THAT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S MORE, IF YOU'RE OFF BY A HUNDRED TO 200, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE 200,000 AND YOU HAVE 20,000 AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY A 15 MILLION PERSON, THEN I, I THINK ALL MISTAKES MADE YOU GO TO TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSIONER OR EVEN TO OUR ETHICS BOARD. I THINK HONEST MISTAKES, ACCIDENTAL, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA FRY ANYBODY OVER IT, BUT IF IT'S A, I THINK WE KNOW WHEN THAT HAPPENS. BUT UM, I GUESS WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT. WE'LL AJOUR THIS, GO THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN FINISH UP THE SUSPENSION WHEN WE HAVE THE OTHER PARTS. SO DURING IT 6 32. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.