* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK. SO WITH THAT, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING [Planning and Zoning] OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 6TH TO ORDER. FIRST IS A ROLL CALL. ALL RIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE A NEW MEMBER. WELCOME TO JIM MORRIS. THANK YOU. AND I SEE THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SCHWART FEER, AND COMMISSIONER BOYER AND COMMISSIONER LAWYER HERE. COMMISSIONER BOYER IS ABSENT. AND COMMISSIONER MEYER AND MYSELF, COMMISSIONER ODDSSON. SO THAT MEANS WE ARE MISSING COMMISSIONER LEE AND COMMISSIONER BOYER TAKING NOTES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO NOT, BUT I DO NEED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, BUT INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF. THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN HAD NOT BEEN PICKED UP, SO THERE WAS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION. WE WILL RENO THAT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT ONE. I, ANYWAY. OKAY. UM, WHICH IS GOOD. BUT THAT DID OCCUR. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ITEM THAT WILL BE RE NOTICED FOR THE JANUARY 3RD MEETING AND WHICH ITEM? IT'S NOT ONLY IN INTERNET. OKAY. IT'S A P UD AMENDMENT THAT YOU SAW IN AUGUST FOR THE MARRIOTT. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER MAJOR AMENDMENT. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN MOVING ON FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, WE MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA ITEMS 4.1. RICK, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO PULL UP ITEMS 4 6 4 5 4 4 AND FOUR THREE IN FRONT OF ITEM FOUR, TWO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING? FOUR, TWO TO THE BACK. ALL RIGHT, THEN, UH, IF I NEED A SECOND, SECOND, WE'VE GOT A SECOND. AND, UH, ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION THEN CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OBJECTION? SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. ALL RIGHT, THEN 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2022. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER MEETING AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, LAWYER, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. RECUSE. I WASN'T HERE AT THE MEETING. IS THAT, UH, IS THAT LEGIT? THAT'S FINE. WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. OKAY. WANNA MAKE SURE? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. FOUR ZERO WITH MORRIS RECUSED. OKAY. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4.3, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AN ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 10.60 9.4 0.1, LAND DEDICATION, 10.60 9.5 0.3 FEE INSTEAD OF PARKLAND DEDICATION, 10.60 9.6 0.2 USABILITY, AND 10.60 9.6 0.5 ACCESS OF THE HUDDLE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO UPDATE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND FEES RELATED TO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. [00:05:05] GOOD EVENING, JEFF. WHITE PARK SUPERINTENDENT. WE ARE BACK AGAIN. UH, THIS ITEM WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER. WE'VE TAKEN SOME YOUR INPUT ALONG WITH INPUT FROM LEGAL AS WELL AS CITY ADMINISTRATION. AND THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU. SO THE, LET ME GET MY GLASSES. HANG ON. UH, THE INTENT IS OBVIOUSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS ENOUGH PARKLAND TO MEET THE RECREATIONAL NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS. THEIR CURRENT PARKLAND ORDINANCE, ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, WAS FIRST ADOPTED IN 1998, REVISED IN 2002, AND REVISED AGAIN IN 2007. SO THE PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD WANTED TO REEXAMINE THE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH MARKET CONDITIONS AND GROWTH SINCE WE'VE HAD, SINCE 2007. UM, PARKLAND DEDICATION IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENT IMPOSED ON SUBDIVISION DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS MANDATING THAT THEY DEDICATE LAND OR PAY THE FEE OF, UM, THESE DEDICATIONS ARE MEANT TO PROVIDING A NEW AND IMPROVING PARK FACILITY WITHOUT BURDENING EXISTING CITY RESIDENTS. DR. JOHN CROMPTON FROM TEXAS A AND M IS THE BE ALL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT. UM, HE IS THE FAMOUS FOR CREATING THE CRITERIA THAT WE USE FOR THE FEES ASSESSMENT, AND WE WON'T GET INTO THAT DAY. BUT JUST FYI, HE'S, I FOUND THIS QUOTE INTERESTING FROM HIM. IT SAYS, PARKLAND DEDICATION IS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR REDUCING TAXES, PROVIDING POLITICAL CENTRALITY, AND CONTRIBUTING ON HOW FAST GROWING CITIES INVEST IN PARKS AND GREEN SPACES. HOWEVER, IT REMAINS A SUBSTANTIALLY UNDERAPPRECIATED, UNDERUTILIZED OPPORTUNITIES IN CITIES IN TEXAS AND BEYOND. HE SAID THAT NOTED THAT MANY US CITIES DON'T EVEN HAVE A PARKLAND ORDINANCE. SO WE ARE WAY AHEAD OF A LOT OF CITIES, UH, IN THIS AREA. SO SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE PARKLAND, I THINK WE COVERED THIS LAST TIME, BUT IT WAS FIRST INSTITUTE, FIRST IN, UH, ENACTED IN 1919 IN MONTANA, AND THEN IT'S HAD ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT RULED IN, IN 1984, UH, IN A MATTER WITH THE DEVELOPER IN THE CITY OF COLLEGE STATION. SO I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE CURRENT RED LINE VERSION, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S ALL RED. SO, UM, THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED DOCUMENT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET, THE PROPOSED, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'LL GO OVER TODAY. UH, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SECTIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT. SO THE OVERVIEW TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, BASICALLY WHY WE CHARGE THIS, UH, HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY THIS. AND KIND OF GOING FROM THAT POINT, SUBDIVIDED DEVELOPER, UM, MUST PROVIDE PARKLAND OR PAY THE FEE IN LIEU OF THE PROPORTION OF LAND MUST MEET THE PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS IF RECOMMENDED BY THE HUDDLE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONFORM OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION LAND REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH OUR MOST CO MOST RECENT AND ADOPTED PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS IS A NEW COMPONENT OF IT. I THINK IT SUM SUMS UP WHAT WE HAD AT A OUR, AT WHAT OUR CONVERSATION ENDED UP BEING AT OUR LAST MEETING. UM, IT'S CALLED THE PARKLAND DEDICATION PLAN. AND IT BASICALLY IS THREE PARTS. THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, MEETS THE LAND REQUIREMENTS, WHICH SHALL BE 15 ACRES. NUMBER TWO IS THE PROPOSED PARKLAND SHALL MEET, UM, IN GUIDELINES WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND THEN LASTLY, IT MUST BE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED BY THE PARKS RECREATION DIRECTOR AT OR DESIGNED AGENTS AT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND APPROVED BY THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD AT THE PRELIMINARY STA PRELIMINARY SITE DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS HOW WE LANDED ON THE 15 ACRES. THIS IS FROM OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MATCH PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2020. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS SURVEY RESPONDENTS WHAT SIZE PARKS DO YOU WANT? AND OVERWHELMINGLY, THE ANSWERS WAS 15 OR GREATER. AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY FEEL LIKE WE COULD JUSTIFY, UM, A 200 ACRE PARK FOR DEVELOPMENT COMING IN. UH, BUT WE THOUGHT 15 ACRES MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE SUITABLE. THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARK ASSOCIATION RECOMMENDS 9.9 ACRES FOR PARKLAND PER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS. BASED ON OUR 30,855 [00:10:02] POPULATION, WE HAVE, WE NEED 305 ACRES OF PARKLAND. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 165. SO JUST MORE JUSTIFICATION WHILE WE RAISE THE MINIMUM FROM THREE TO 15 ARE PROPOSING RAISING THE, UH, THE PARKLAND, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION, LAND REQUIREMENTS. SO SUBADVISOR DEVELOPER WITH MUST CONTRIBUTE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THIS IS IN RELATION TO THOSE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS. SO MY MATH IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKY HERE, BUT WE'LL KIND OF WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT. SO, 4,356 SQUARE FEET IN AN ACRE, UM, 15 ACRE MINIMUM TIMES 4,350. 43,560 IS 653,400 SQUARE FEET. DIVIDE THAT BY THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF PARKLAND IS 653 HOMES. SO ANY HOMES GREATER THAN A DWELLING UNIT OF 653 HAVE TO GO ABOVE THE 15 ACRE MINIMUM. OKAY, GOOD. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT ONE. UH, IF THE AREA IS REPLANTED, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF LOT INCREASES OR DECREASES, THEY MUST, WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THE LAND ELIGIBILITY FOR THE PROPOSED PARK LAND, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 15 ACRES, UM, MUST MEET IN, UH, MUST MEET THE GUIDELINES OR OUTLINE IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS, UM, MUST BE CONDITION APPROVED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION PORT. AND CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT ONE SLIDE? YES. IS THERE GONNA BE A, UM, FOR A PERCENTAGE AFTER THE THOUSAND? ARE WE, IS IT JUST, THEY JUST HAVE TO PUT IN SO MUCH MORE? SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY DWELLINGS THERE ARE THAT WILL BE MULTIPLIED OUT. UH, SO YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS MM-HMM. MULTIPLIED BY, UM, THE THOUSAND, THE THOUSAND. AND THEN MULTIPLIED THAT, UM, HANG ON, LEMME MAKE SURE MY MATH RIGHT. YOU GOT ME FOR LOOP. OKAY. SO ANYTHING ABOVE 653 HOMES, THEY HAVE TO PAY OR THEY HAVE TO DONATE MORE. AND IT'S A PERCENTAGE, IT'S BASED OFF OF THIS, IT'S BASED ON THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. OKAY. SO IF IT'S 700 HOMES, 700 TIMES 4,000, 350, 560 DIVIDED BY A THOUSAND, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF ACRES. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. YES. OKAY. THANKS. I ACTUALLY HAVE A, A QUESTION. WHAT IF WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO'S PUTTING IN LARGER LOTS, SO THEY'RE CONSUMING UP A LOT OF LAND, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PUTTING A LOT OF HOUSES ON THAT LAND, QUARTER ACRE, HALF ACRE, LOTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THIS GOING TO, IS THERE A PROVISION TO ADJUST FOR THAT OR NO, NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR MODEL. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEN? THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD GO BACK TO LEGAL AND SEE HOW, I THINK IT'S COMPLY. THERE'S LESS PEOPLE, SO IT'S PER HOUSEHOLD. SO SINCE THERE'S LESS PEOPLE, THEN THE PARKLAND WOULD BE LESS THE PER THE, THE FEE APPLICABLE IS, CAN BE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE LAND. OKAY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH. WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO LEGAL AND SEE IF THERE'S A PROVISION THAT THEY CAN ADD IN THERE. YEAH, I, I WOULD BE, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IN, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, RICK? YES, SURE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A DEVELOPER PUT HALF ACRE LOTS IN TOWN? HASN'T HAPPENED. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S DEFINITELY A, AN INTERESTING QUESTION. BUT SOMEBODY'S COMING IN TOWN LIKE DURANGO FARMS, THEY'RE GONNA PUT EIGHT HOUSES TO THE ACRE. EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE MAKING QUARTER ACRE LOTS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE MONEY. RIGHT, RIGHT. I'M, I'M JUST THINKING SOMEONE WHO'S TAKING UP THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS WHAT IF YOUR MOTIVATION IS PRESERVING LAND WOODLAND OR, OR FARMLAND, IF THERE'S ONLY A FINITE AMOUNT THAT HU HAS JURISDICTION ON, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOCKED IN. RIGHT? SO THERE'S A FINITE AMOUNT OF LAND. HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE OF THAT DO YOU WANT TO BE PARK SPACE? SO SOMEONE'S COMING IN AND MAKING EXTREME EXAMPLE, A 10 ACRE LOT. NOW YOU'VE LOST 10 ACRES. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PARKLAND BECAUSE IT'S NOW RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. AGAIN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A END OF THE SPECTRUM TYPE OF THING. AND I'M HIGHLY UNLIKELY. BUT THAT'S MY POSITION IS THOUGH, DO WE WANT TO AS A MOTIVATION JUST TO CREATE IT PER RESIDENT OR IS IT [00:15:01] TAKEN CARE OF LAND PRESERVING IT WITHIN THE HUDDLE JURISDICTION? RIGHT. AND, AND THE LAND PIECE IS, WHAT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IS LEGALLY ALLOWED PER PERSON, YOU KNOW, BASED ON RESIDENTS, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS. GOT IT. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL BEEN APPROVED AND EVERYTHING BACK IN 1984. UNDERSTOOD. I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A PROVISION FOR LARGE LAND USERS AND JUST THAT'S A QUESTION. IT DOESN'T NEED AN, DOESN'T NEED AN ANSWER TONIGHT OR ANYTHING. AND I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANNA HOLD THIS UP. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE DRAFTED INTO THIS, UM, INTO THIS ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER, IT'S GONNA BE INTO THIS PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK TO, TO LEGAL AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE. BUT HONESTLY, I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE USING QUARTER ACRE, HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE LOTS OR, OR BIGGER. THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA PAY THE FEE AND LET US BUILD A PARK WHERE WE WANT IT. EXACTLY. I MEAN, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, THEY'RE JUST GONNA PAY THE FEE. THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING. YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE FEE AND, AND THE FEE'S GONNA BE THE SAME NO MATTER HOW BIG THE LOT IS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PER HOUSE. DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A 10 ACRE LOT, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN 10 OF 'EM, YOU'RE GONNA PAY THAT FEE. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE BASING IT ON NUMBER OF PEOPLE, NOT THE SIZE OF LAND. YEAH. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, AGAIN, I'M NEW IN THIS, I DON'T MEAN TO STOP ANY PROCESS THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW. NO. YOU GOOD? I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW A WRENCH IN THE WORLD. NO, THESE ARE, IT'S JUST A PERSPECTIVE. AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING HAS TO DO IN THIS TYPE, THIS CURRENT PROVISION. IT'S, IT'S JUST A PERSPECTIVE I HAD. IT'S A, IT'S A VALID ARGUMENT AND A VALID TAKE BECAUSE IN, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NEITHER, WE'RE LAND RICHLY UNDER, WE'RE NOT LAND RICH OR WE'RE NOT CASH RICH, YOU KNOW? AND SO IDEALLY WHEN THIS GETS, IF THIS GETS ADOPTED AS PRESENTED OR SOME MODIFICATIONS OF IT, WE WILL BE LAND RICH, SO TO SPEAK, OR WE'LL BE CASH RICH. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SWING THE SCALE BACK IN OUR DIRECTION. AND WHEN YOU REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, MOST OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A, A DEVELOPER COMING IN, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU THEIR, THEIR OLD STALE REFERENCES, BUT IT'S STILL A REFERENCE. WHEN GLENWOOD SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT BACK IN 2004, WE DIDN'T HAVE EITHER, WE DIDN'T HAVE A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PROGRAM TO FOLLOW MM-HMM. OR PEOPLE THAT WERE IN POWER AT THE TIME DIDN'T CARE. BUT THERE'S 670 HOUSES IN GLENWOOD. WE HAVE EIGHT, SEVEN ACRES FOR A SPLASH PAD THAT THEY BUILD. I MEAN, THEY PUT THE SPLASH PAD ON IT. THE CITY DIDN'T DO IT. THEY JUST GIVE US THE LAND AND SAY, GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO WITH IT. THEY BUILT A SPLASH PAD. THEY PUT A PAVILION, BUT IT'S AT 0.87 ACRES. UH, CARMEL CREEK, THEY WANTED TO GIVE US SOME LAND THAT WAS FLOOD PLAIN. NOW WE WILL NOT TAKE FLOOD PLAIN IN MOST CASES, BUT CARMEL CREEK WE DID BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A TRAIL SYSTEM. MM-HMM. . SO THE TRAIL SYSTEM CAN GET WASHED UP, NO BIG DEAL. IT'S NOT GONNA HURT ANYTHING. BUT IT CONNECTS TWO TRAILS AND IT'S PART OF OUR CONNECTIVITY WITH THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY TRAILS. SO MOST OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, WITH DEVELOPERS, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO SNEAK IS THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO SNEAK IN LAND THAT THEY CAN'T BUILD ON MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THAT. SO MOST OF THEM ARE GONNA PAY THE FEE PER HOUSE, AND THEN WE CAN GO OUT AND PURCHASE LAND AND GET THE PARK THAT WE NEED. THANK YOU. AND, UH, QUESTION ON NUMBER OF HOUSES. HOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK WITH, UH, LET'S SAY LARGE MULTI-FAMILY? SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT IN A THOUSAND UNITS OF APARTMENTS. IT'S STILL PER, PER YEAR, PER DWELLING. THEY'RE GONNA THISS. OKAY. SO THEY'RE GONNA PAY A, A FEE PER DWELLING. SO ONCE THEY HIT THAT 650 COMPLEX, THEY'RE PAYING 1500 TIMES. OKAY. I THINK THEIR FEE IS 6 75 RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE. OKAY. DEAL CHAIR, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO CAN WE FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN GET TO PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BACK AND FORTH? SORRY. JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE FORGOTTEN. THANK YOU. SO THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS LAST TIME WE WERE HERE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF LAND WE COULD ACCEPT AND WHAT KIND OF LAND THAT, UM, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO WE, WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS WE BREAKING BROKE THAT DOWN INTO TWO CATEGORIES. THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, ACCEPTED CONDITIONALLY. THIS IS DETENTION PONDS, RETENTION PONDS, DRAINAGE WAYS, PRIVATE GOLF COURSES, MINI CENTERS, GOLF COURSE, PRIVATE COMMUNITY IN MINI CENTERS, GOLF COURSES, COUNTRY FOBS OR SIMILAR FACILITIES. WE DIDN'T ACCEPT LAND IN THIS CONDITION. WE WOULDN'T HAVE HUDDLE LAKE PARK. WE WOULDN'T PROBABLY HAVE FRITZ PARK. UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF WHERE WE SAID, OKAY, WE MAY REVIEW THIS AS AN OPTION. WHAT WE NEVER WILL ACCEPT IS RIGHT [00:20:01] AWAY IRRIGATION DITCHES, WETLANDS, LAND FOR HAS GAS RIGHTS ON IT. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT KIND OF BROKE THOSE INTO TWO CATEGORIES. IT GIVES US AN OUT, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO THIS GREAT PROPERTY THAT, UH, HAS THIS NATURAL FEATURE ON IT, BUT IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND WE'RE LIKE, UH, NO. BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES US AN OUT TO, TO DO THAT. UH, 10.609, 5.2 UNITY. I DON'T THINK NOTHING CHANGED IN THIS ONE OTHER THAN IT GOT MOVED AROUND. USABILITY PARKLAND MUST BE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, UNLESS WE AGREE TO IT IN THAT PARKLAND DEDICATION. SO IN THAT EARLY ON, SO THAT KIND OF GIVES US AN OUT HERE. WE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, WE'LL TAKE FLOOD PLAIN LAND IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA BASED ON THE PARKLAND DEDICATION. 15 ACRES CONFORMS THROUGH THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, OUR CONFORMS TO PARKS MASTER PLAN, AND IS APPROVED BY THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD. UH, SHAPE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CHANGED ON THIS ONE OTHER THAN JUST KIND OF MOVED AROUND TO A DIFFERENT SPOT IN THE ORDER. SAME WITH LOCATION, UH, AND ACCESS TOPOGRAPHY, I DON'T BELIEVE CHANGED. THE IMPROVEMENTS BY PARK SITE DID CHANGE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY. THE LAST SENTENCE THERE, ALL ACCESS POINTS MUST COMPLY WITH STANDARDS OUTLINING THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT. WE HAVE A POTENTIAL ISSUE WITH AN ACCESS POINT OVER IN A SUBDIVISION. NOW THAT IS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE OR ACCESSIBLE THROUGH AN ADA. AND SO GOING FORWARD, THIS WILL BE IN THERE AS WELL AS THE ALL BRIDGES MUST BE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. SO THAT GIVES US ANOTHER SET OF EYES TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ANY BRIDGES, PATHWAYS, LARGE SPANS WILL BE COVERED THROUGH THEIR SUPERVISION AND THEIR, THEIR KNOWLEDGE. THEY'RE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN THAN I AM. SO THOSE ARE SOME MAJOR CHANGES RELATED TO THAT PARK IMPROVEMENT BY SITE. THE FEE IN LIEU OF, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE DID ESTABLISH THAT THE LAST SENTENCE THERE AND THE 10.60 9.6, THE FEE IN LIEU OF PARKLAND SHALL BE SET BY ORDINANCE BASED ON THE METHODOLOGY. METHODOLOGY, SORRY. ESTABLISH IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND THAT'S GOING BACK TO THAT CROMPTON METHODOLOGY WHERE HE USES, UM, A COMBINATION OF DWELLINGS, PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD, WHAT AN AVERAGE ACRE COST, UM, AND WHAT IT COSTS FOR A, FOR A NEW PARK TO BE PUT IN THAT AREA. AND SO WE HAVE THAT METHODOLOGY CURRENTLY IN OUR 2020 MASTER PLAN. BUT WE'VE ENGAGED WITH THE FIRM TO REDO THAT BECAUSE A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE 2019 IN OUR AREA. WE'VE HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN NEXT DOOR WE HAVE, IT SAYS 2019 TO 2020. WE'VE HAD SAMSUNG TESLA BOTH ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'RE COMING HERE, WHICH WE'LL HAVE SOME RAMIFICATIONS TO THE PRICES OF LAND HERE. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THEM TO LOOK AT THAT AS, UH, WE GO FORWARD. SO THAT SHOULD, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT SHOULD HAVE THAT, UM, AT A FUTURE DATE. SORRY, PARKLAND DEDICATION OR FI REQUIRES BEFORE PLAT RECORDING. THIS JUST KIND OF REASSURES US THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO TRACK DOWN CHECKS OR PEOPLE AFTER THE PLATE'S ALREADY BEEN RECORDED. WE KNOW THAT LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS GENERAL WARRANTY. THIS IS SOMETHING LEGAL REQUESTED THAT WE PUT IN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLEAN UP THIS LANGUAGE OF HOW THE LAND IS ACCEPTED, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO ACCEPT THE LAND THAT IS CLEAR FREE OF ANY TITLE ISSUES AND THERE'S NO TAXES OR ANYTHING ON IT. JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE BUYING A HOUSE, YOU WOULD DO THE SAME PROCESS OR LAND. THIS IS A NEW SECTION BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD FROM HERE IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION. OKAY, WE'RE HAVE MONEY. WHAT ARE WE, HOW CAN WE SPEND IT? WHERE CAN WE, WHERE'S THE DIVIDING LINE ON? THANK YOU. ON WHAT WE CAN SPEND IT ON. SO HERE, THIS NEW COMPONENT CLEARLY STATES THAT THIS MONEY COLLECTED SHALL BE EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR IMPROVEMENT OF EXISTING AND FUTURE PARKS. AND FOR THE ACQUISITION OF FUTURE, UH, FUTURE OR ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR FUTURE PARKS, IT CANNOT, SHALL NOT BE USED FOR MAINTAINING OF OPERATING PUBLIC PARK LAND, OF PARK FACILITIES. SO WHATEVER, SOME DISCUSSIONS LAST TIME ON WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE USED FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT THAT QUALIFIES FOR. [00:25:01] AND IF, IF WE'RE REPLACING PARK BENCHES, IS THAT A PARK IMPROVEMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IN OUR GENERAL FINE. SO THIS HOPEFULLY KIND OF CLEARS UP SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN HOW WE CAN USE THIS FUNDS. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. WELL THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:25 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE HAVE ONE WE DO QUESTION. UM, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM SO, UH, VIDEO CAN CAPTURE YOU . AND IS THE MASK THING ON THE VIDEO? THAT'S FINE. MASK IS FINE. IT UP DOESN'T MATTER TODAY. OKAY. THERE'S NOT ANYONE SIX FEET AROUND. I'M BEEN SNIFFLING ALL DAY AND COUGHING A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT TOOK SOME, UH, SOME NICE TEA. UM, HOW DO, MY NAME'S JULIO. UH, JULIO TORRES. I'VE BEEN HERE IN JUTO SINCE MID-APRIL. NOT THAT LONG. UM, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN IMPROVING THE TOWN THAT I LIVE IN. SO MIGHT AS WELL SHOW UP. UH, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION. UM, THIS IS FOR ME PERSONALLY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT RELATED TO BIKE LANES OR ANY CYCLING WITHIN PARKS. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I FIGURE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE IT AS WELL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE OR IS THAT, UM, LIKE OUR, OUR BIKE LANES AND PARKS ONE IN THE SAME OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT BIKE LANES ON LIKE HIGHWAY 79 AND FRONT STREET 1660 OR ON A BIKE TRAIL HIKING CAN BIKE TRAILS MORE SPECIFICALLY? IS THAT BE PARKS? OKAY. AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE COVERED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AS TO WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PARTICULAR PARK. AND I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT ON THAT. OKAY. UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY HAS A MASTER PLAN ALSO. OKAY. UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A 20 YEAR MASTER PLAN. OKAY. WITHIN 20 YEARS YOU'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET ON A BICYCLE IN HU AND GO TO ROUND ROCK. SHE PARKED TOWARDS TOWN LOUISVILLE. OKAY. UH, TAYLOR AND NOT CROSS OVER ANY MAJOR HIGHWAYS. NICE. SO WE ARE WORKING ALL THAT INTO OUR MASTER PLAN. IT, IT TAKES TIME. HAVE BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL. OKAY. CONNECT TO THE, OKAY. COOL. UH, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND HELP WITH PARTS, PUT YOUR NAME IN THE HEAD TO COME ON THE PARKS BOARD. OKAY. WE, IS THAT, UH, MY CONDITION? PERRY SARD CHAIR OF, HE'S THE YEAH. CHAIR OF THE PARKS BOARD RECRUITING FOR THE PARKS BOARD. THAT YEAH, OF COURSE. ROOTING FOR YOU. UM, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT HEALTHY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU LIVE IN HOOD? UM, JUST SOUTH OF HERE. UM, NEAR LEGENDS OF HUDDLE PARK BY, WHAT'S IT? CHRIS KELLY IN 1660 SORT OF. OKAY. YEAH. REAL CLOSE TO LEGENDS OF HUDDLE PARK. UH, SO I LIKE THE PARK, BUT YOU KNOW, I WANNA SEE MORE OF IT. UH, I WANNA SEE MORE BIKE BIKE TRAILS CUZ I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A COOL HOBBY THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE COULD GET INTO, BUT IT'S DANGEROUS. I'LL TELL YOU THAT FROM EXPERIENCE . UM, SO ANYTHING TO GET SAFE BIKE TRAILS IS, IS WHAT I'M AFTER. COOL. WELL, THANK YOU GUYS. YOU BET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOBODY'S GONNA PLUG THE COMP PLAN THAT'S COMING UP TO ASK FOR MORE INPUT. I'LL DO IT LATER. WE'LL TALK. THEY'LL TALK. WE GOT A NEW MEMBER. YEP. RECRUITING. YEP. ALL RIGHT. UH, SO ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:29 PM AND OPENING IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DIETS. SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, SO IF WE HAVE THE OPTION FOR THESE SUBDIVISIONS TO OPT OUT AND JUST PAY A FEE, IS THERE GONNA BE A LIMIT OF HOW MANY WITHIN A CERTAIN PARAMETER CAN OPT OUT OF IT? SO IF FOUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE BUILDING RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND ALL FOUR OF THEM DECIDE TO NOT HAVE A PARK THAT'S FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S KIND OF A PARAMETER SET ON THAT ASPECT. THERE IS NO PARAMETER SET. IT'S EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION IF THEY HAVE, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEIR SITUATION IS. SO IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING, UH, JE LAND, WE USE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE [00:30:01] THE NAME FLOOD CITY, RIGHT? AND JICA HAS, UH, NO FLOOD PLATE AND WANTS TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSES AS SHE CAN. WELL, WE CAN'T STIPULATE YOU HAVE TO DONATE 15 ACRES. YOU CAN EITHER, IF YOU HAVE THE LAND REQUIREMENTS AND YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO MEET THOSE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE THAT CON, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ACCEPT THAT. IF NOT, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE LOSING THE FEES IN LUA. SO IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE FOR JERICHO LANDS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, EACH GO EACH NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FLOOD PLAIN OR ANY LAND THAT THEY DON'T WANT AND WILLING TO EN MEET THE CRITERIA, THEN WE COULD ACCEPT THAT IS PARKLAND IF THE PARKS WHERE CHOOSES. SO, YEAH. SO LIKE I SAID, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA SWING THE OTHER WAY. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CASH RICH RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE NOT LAND RICH, SO WE'RE GONNA SWING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY CASH RICH OR WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY LAND RICH, WHICH IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE EITHER WAY, BUT RIGHT. IT'S JUST, UH, NOW THAT LAND'S MORE EXPENSIVE IF YOU'RE JUST GETTING FEE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF FEES. AND THEN WE HAVE HOUSES ON TOP OF HOUSES AND ALL THE PARKS END UP BEING IN THE SAME SPOT IN TOWN. PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME WANTING TO DRIVE ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW, IF WE KEEP BUILDING ALL THE PARKS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA STOP BEING USED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO THAT JUST MAKES, THAT'S THAT. I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN, IS US GETTING STUCK WITH ALL THE LAND BEING IN THE SAME SPOTS. UM, THIS MAY BE OUTSIDE AND PROBABLY IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS ORDINANCE, BUT WHAT ARE THE FEES? WHO SETS THE FEES AND WHERE IS THAT THE FEES ARE SET BY COUNCIL UHHUH. UM, SO THE CURRENT FEES ARE $800. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT FEES. THERE'S A FEE IN LIEU OF LAND AND THERE'S A PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE. RIGHT. THE PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE RIGHT NOW IS $500. THE FEE IN LIEU OF LAND FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IS $300. SO THAT MAKES IT $800 PER DWELLING. THE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING IS 175, SO IT MAKES IT 6 75 PER DWELLING. OKAY. SO IF WE'LL USE JERICH LAND AGAIN, SO SHE HAS 500 HOUSES COMING IN, A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO WE TAKE 500 TIMES 500 HOUSES TIMES $800, AND THAT WOULD BE THEIR AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING FEES. SO AS MARKET PRICES INCREASED FOR LAND, AS AS JERICHO COUNCIL HAS TO REVISIT THAT EACH TIME TO ADJUST THOSE FEES. CORRECT? WE CAN, WE CAN. IT IS GONNA BE A PART OF THE FEE PROCESS IF WE WANT TO. NOW THE LANGUAGE IN THIS, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT WE PLAN ON REVISITING EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. IT'S BEEN SINCE 2009 NOW. SO AS HUDDLE CONTINUES TO GROW, AS WE EXPAND OUR ETJ AND CITY LIMITS, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO BE PROACTIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH, UH, WHERE WE SHOULD BE ON PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT. WHEN L UH, YOU KNOW, JARAS WAS POINT IS THAT IF YOU MAKE THE FEES PROHIBITIVE, IT'S BETTER. IF IT'S CHEAPER TO BUY IN, YOU KNOW, TO NOT DO THE, IN LIEU OF FEES, THEN THEY'LL, THEN THEY'LL, SO THE FEES , YEAH, THE FEES WILL GO UP. UM, BASED ON THE, THE COMPTON MYTHOLOGY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THAT'S WHERE WE TAKE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS, PRICE PER ACRE, ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE HAVING. OUR, OUR ARCHITECT FIRM DO THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT PURVIEW TO THIS BOARD, THAT COUNCIL SETS THE FEES. I APOLOGIZE FOR BRINGING THAT UP. NO, NO, YOU, YOU'RE FINE. IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO HAVE. CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT AROUND, AT, AT VARIOUS ENTITIES IN THIS AREA? UH, AUSTIN IN THE AMERICAN STATES BEEN BACK ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO. I READ AN ARTICLE THEY WERE GOING, RIGHT NOW AUSTIN'S PER HOUSE FEE IS $5,800 A HOUSE. YEAH. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE OR TRYING TO ADJUST THAT TO WHERE IT'S GONNA GO CLOSER TO 10 GRAND A HOUSE. YEAH. SO YOU GOTTA REALIZE THAT, OKAY, YOUR QUESTION WAS VALID, BUT THE DEVELOPER'S NOT PAYING THAT MONEY. THE PERSON WHO'S BUYING THE HOUSE IS PAYING THAT MONEY, SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA TACK IT ON THERE. THAT'S TRUE. RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH IT FIRST, BUT WHEN THEY SELL THE HOUSE, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT BACK. THAT'S TRUE. YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND BUILD A HOUSE, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE. THEY'RE JUST GONNA CHARGE THE, THE HOMEOWNER UNDERSTOOD FOR IT. GOOD POINT. SO, UH, I HAVE A KIND OF PROCEDURAL QUESTION. AS FAR AS THE, THE DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY SIT DOWN AND THEY COME UP WITH AN APPROVED PARKS PLAN. WE'RE GONNA GET A PIECE OF LAND DONATED OR WE'RE GONNA GET FEES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. HOWEVER IT WORKS OUT WHEN THAT COMES TO US, THE, THE PRELIMINARY [00:35:01] PLAT, IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF NOTATION? IS THERE GONNA BE SOME SORT OF CHECKED BOX SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT YES, THEY DID TAKE THAT STEP QUESTION TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN WITH THE PLAINTIFFS, HAVE THEY COME TO THE PARK COURT TO GET THEIR RIGHT AND, AND THE PROCEDURAL QUESTION IS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO AT THAT POINT? RIGHT? SO IF WE SEE SOMETHING COME IN FRONT OF US, DO WE NEED TO ASK THE QUESTION, HAVE THEY BEEN TO PARKS BOARD OR IS THAT JUST GONNA BE A STAFF NOTE OR SOMETHING IN THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE CAN ADD THAT AS A STAFF NOTE IN THE AGENDA ITEM? UH, WE DON'T REALLY GET A LOT OF PARKLAND DEDICATION. WE GET, UM, PARKLAND FEE AND LOU PAID PRIOR TO FINAL PLA RECORDATION. OKAY. SO WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION COMPLETENESS CHECKLIST RIGHT NOW. OKAY. IS THEY HAVE TO MEET IF THEY WANNA DEDICATE ANYTHING AND FIND OUT IF IT'S EVEN GOING TO BE ACCEPTED. AND WE'RE USUALLY TRYING TO DO THAT AROUND THE ZONING TIMEFRAME. OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE ZONING IT, WE KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE MASTER PLAN, WE KNOW IF THEY WANT TO GIVE UP ACREAGE AND WE CAN HAVE THEM ZONE IT ALL DAY LONG AND PLAN FOR IT. BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE WANT IT AS PARKLAND. I THINK PERRY'S ARE, SORRY, CHAIRMANS OF ARTS. UM, POINT EARLIER ON, WHEN DO WE WANT FLOOD PLAIN IF IT CONNECTS A TRAIL CONNECTIVITY? YEAH. I THINK WE MIGHT, IF IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. THERE'S ALSO TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD ONE THAT IT'S JUST FLOOD PLAN AND IT'S NOT USABLE AND WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT WE GOT IT ANYWAY. RIGHT. YEAH. I I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW IT'S GOING TO FALL INTO OUR PROCESS SO THAT, LIKE SHE SAID, WHEN THEY GO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION SO THEY CAN GET THE PROCESS STARTED, THAT'S PART OF THE CHECKLIST. RIGHT. HERE'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. YOU GOTTA COME BEFORE THE PARK BOARD FOR THIS. YOU GOTTA COME BEFORE THE BZ FOR THIS. SO THEY'VE ALREADY HIT US AND IT SHOULD BE IN THEIR PACKET. OKAY. WHEN THEY COME TO YOU, IT SAYS, OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THIS TAKEN CARE OF ON THE CHECKLIST CONDITIONALLY. YEAH. BECAUSE THE REASON I'M ASKING IS WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, UM, CHECKPOINTS FOR P AND Z ONE, IF THEY ARE DEDICATING LAND, WE HAVE TO SEE THAT BEFORE THE PRELIMINARY. IF THEY'RE DOING FEES, WE HAVE TO SEE IT PRIOR TO FINAL, SO. CORRECT. SO I'M JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY SKIPPING PARKS. NO, IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE DON'T SKIP PARKS WE MAY HAVE PREVIOUSLY. UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD AN IMPERFECT PROCESS. OKAY. THERE ARE TIMES THAT, THAT WE'VE, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK BOTH OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN SURPRISED WITH A GIFT OF LAND THAT WE WERE NOT EXPECTING. UM, HOW EVER. UM, I THINK GOING FORWARD WITH HOW OUR APPLICATIONS READ, WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IT'S PART OF THE COMPLETENESS CHECK. AND WITH STATE LAW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT COMPLETE APPLICATION, WE WON'T ACCEPT IT. OKAY. SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOWS MINUTES OR SOMETHING SAYING, HEY, WE'RE DEDICATING THIS PROPERTY AND PARK SAID YES, THEN WE CAN'T HAVE IT. THE OTHER OPTION IS FEE AND LU. AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR THEM TO WORK OUT THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A FEE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WORK OUT DIRECTLY OKAY. WITH JEFF. SO THEY KNOW THAT AMOUNT. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT HERE? SURE. I WANNA MAKE SURE, GOING BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER LAWYER'S POINT. SO AT 800 DWELLING DIVISION MM-HMM. TIMES A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET DIVIDED BY 43,560 SQUARE FEET IN ACRE WOULD RESULT IN 18.36 ACRE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE, RSI WAS MAYBE OUR BIGGEST DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THAT ONE IS. ABOUT 1300. YEAH. SO THAT ONE MAY HAVE TO MEET THE, SO HOW MANY HOMES DID YOU DO ON THAT ONE? SO I DID 800. OKAY. SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF HOMES TIMES A THOUSAND FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. AND THAT TOTAL DIVIDED BY 4,000, 43,560. SO IF THAT'S A SUBDIVISION JERICH LAND, UM, DECIDED TO NOT DONATE THE 18 POINT SOMETHING ACRES OF LAND, THEIR FEES WOULD BE $640,000. AND YOU CANNOT BUY 18 ACRES IN HUDDLE RIGHT NOW AT THAT PRICE. CUZ I JUST WENT AND LOOKED ONLINE. SO, CUZ YOU KNOW, I'M DOING MY RESEARCH WHILE WE'RE TALKING . UM, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WITH ALL THIS COMES INTO, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WHERE IF WE'RE TRYING TO SPACE OUT THE LAND IN PARKS, DO WE NEED TO ASSESS FEES? DO WE NEED TO ASSESS LOCATIONS? AND I I DON'T KNOW. I I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MISSING LINK RIGHT NOW. JEFF, DIDN'T WE JUST GO OFF ON THE FEES WE NO, THAT TAKES CITY COUNCIL. WE PROPOSED. WE'LL MAKE A, AFTER [00:40:01] THIS GETS ADOPTED. OKAY. THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THE SECOND PART, WHICH IS FEES. OKAY. UM, YEAH, TO WE, I MEAN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN HAS FUTURE SITES, SITES AND LAND THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EITHER CONVEYED TO US TO COMPLETE A TRAIL OR A FUTURE HOME FOR A REC CENTER OR A FUTURE HOME FOR SPORTS FIELD COMPLEX. SO THEY'VE OUTLINED THOSE, THAT'S WHAT WE USE AS OUR GUIDING TOOL TO DO THAT. AND TYPICALLY IF THE DEVELOPER IS, HAS PROPERTY IN THAT AREA, THEY'LL SAY, HEY, THIS MEETS YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT IT'S IN THERE. YEAH. I'M I'M THINKING THAT, UH, POSSIBLY WE MIGHT WANT TO INCLUDE A NOTE, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. CORRECT. BUT INCLUDE A NOTE TO COUNCIL SAYING STRONGLY ENCOURAGE REVISITING PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. FEES. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE, I JUST THINK THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN GET 18 ACRES RIGHT. FOR 640,000. WELL, AND I, MY MY BIGGER ONE WAS THINKING A BUNCH OF THE SMALLER LOTS COMING, LIKE THE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA GIVE UP 15 ACRES IF THEY DON'T GOT A HUNDRED ACRES VERSUS, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE ONES WHO, THE THOUSAND, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE OKAY WITH GIVING UP EIGHT 18 ACRES, BUT THE, THE SMALLER ONES THAT ALREADY ARE STRAPPED FOR SPACE, I CAN SEE THEM NOT WANTING TO PLAY THE GAME. AND IF WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF 'EM PILED IN ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHERE MY STRESS IS AT. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. IF WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE 15 ACRE MINIMUM, IF WE WANNA GO DOWN TO 10, WE WANNA GO TO EIGHT, GO TO FIVE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR, I FEEL YOU GUYS COULD RECOMMEND. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE I FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE 15 ACRES FROM, I LIKE THE 15 ACRES, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A A A SLIDING SCALE. ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE DOING A SLIDING SCALE GOING ABOVE. WHY ARE WE NOT DOING A SLIDING BELOW? WELL IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE TOO EASY THEN FOR 649 HOUSES TO COME IN ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEY GET TO SLIDE DOWN OR 200 OR WHATEVER. SO THEY GET TO KEEP SLIDING DOWN. THE CITY NEEDS BIGGER PARKS, WE NEED MORE PARK LAND, JUST THAT IN WITH OTHER SMALL ONES. AND WE START BUYING PARK LAND AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE 305 ACRES WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, BY THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES MM-HMM. , I'M JUST, MOST OF THEM AREN'T GONNA WANNA PARK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. BUT THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS, SO LIKE I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT OVER IN THE GLENWOOD AREA RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT 1, 2, 3 APARTMENT COMPLEXES COMING IN AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE PRIVATE PARKS. YOU HAVE GLENWOODS LITTLE SPLASH PAD AND THEN, UM, ASPEN HEIGHTS IS BUILDING A LITTLE RETENTION POND TYPE PARK. AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A COUPLE LITTLE POCKET PARKS. BUT THAT LITTLE AREA I JUST, I'M, THERE'S, THERE'S THE SCHOOLS THAT'S, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARK AREA OVER THERE AND SO HMM. THERE'S, YEAH. HOW BIG IS THAT ONE, JEFF? 60 ACRES. OH YEAH. I FORGET ABOUT THAT DOWN THERE. AND THEN JEFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE FEE IN LIEU OF PARKLAND CANNOT, CAN GO FROM ALSO BUYING LAND FOR PARKS, BUT ALSO THE IMPROVEMENT OF PARKS. SO AS THAT MASTER PLAN IS DEVELOPED, THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES WHERE STAFF WILL BE NEGOTIATING WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT WE WILL SAY, HEY, THIS FALLS INTO OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN AND WE HAD SHOWN THAT WE WANT THIS TRAIL OR THIS PARK OR CONNECTIVITY THERE. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME IN FOR ZONING AND OTHER THINGS, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE MASTER PLANS MM-HMM. . SO WE WILL STILL HAVE THE ABILITY, UM, THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BECAUSE JEFF ALSO GETS TO SEE THAT, THAT WE CAN THEN NEGOTIATE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM FOUR PARKS. THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF GOT PART OF IT FOR, UM, THE CARMEL CREEK DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT THAT WAS A NEGOTIATING POINT OF YEAH, WE DO WANT THAT TO CONNECT CUZ YOU CAN GET UNDER 79 OVER THERE AND HOW COOL IS THAT? AND SO WE'VE CONTINUED THAT UP THROUGH SOME OTHER SUBDIVISIONS NOW. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. WE'RE NEVER GONNA END UP WITH ABSOLUTELY. GET A RIGHT WAY. THIS IS, I JUST LIKE PARKS JUST TO KEEP I KNOW. JUST TO KEEP A POINT. SO GOING BACK TO THE, THE, UH, THE SLIDE HERE. SO WE NEEDED, WE HAVE 103 HUNDRED, WE NEED 305 ACRES AND WE HAVE 165, SO THAT MEANS 140 ACRES. SO IF WE KEPT OUR MINIMAL ACRES THAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS THREE, THAT WOULD MEAN WE NEED 46 MORE SUBDIVISIONS TO DONATE US THREE ACRES TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. NOT COUNTING [00:45:01] THE FACT THAT THOSE 46 SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOW ADDING TO THAT POPULATION IN TOTAL. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOW OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA BE 70,000. SO WE'RE NEVER GONNA PLAY KETCHUP WITH, IN MY ESTIMATION, WITH THREE TO FIVE ACRES. RIGHT. GOTCHA. YEAH. AND WHEN WE DISCUSSED IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF THE CALCULUS MM-HMM. WHERE WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CATCH UP AT THE VERY LEAST AND WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT WITH ANYTHING LESS THAN 15 ACRES. WE, WE DID ADD THIS CONTINGENCY IN THERE TOO, AND THE SECOND SENTENCE THERE SAYS INELIGIBLE LAND MAY BE DEDICATED FOR PARKLAND BUT NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO IF THEY DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN IT, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND IT CONNECTS TO A TRAIL AND IT'S FLOOD PLAIN LAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAKES SENSE FOR US TO TAKE IT, THEN WE WILL TAKE AN AD TO OUR TOTAL AND THEY STILL GET THE FEE, THEY STILL PAY THE FEES. IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARD THEIR LAND OR THEIR FEES. I LIKE THAT. SO WE DO, WE, WE'VE KIND OF BUILT IT WHERE WE HAVE SOME OUTS. IS IT THE PERFECT ONE? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON A LOT BETTER PATH THAN WE WERE FROM THE LAST ONE OR CURRENT ONE FROM 2007. MM-HMM. . YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. JEFF, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WHAT, WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE INCREASED FEE? UM, WE, WE CAN GIVE YOU A I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME. YEAH. BUT, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS BASED ON, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'LL GO BACK AND THE CROMPTON METHODOLOGY WAS WHAT WE'LL USE FOR THE FEE BASED ON THIS PROPOSAL HERE. SO WHAT I, THE NUMBER I GIVE YOU MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE OR MAY BE ACCURATE MAY BE WAY OFF. SO I CAN GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE FINAL NUMBER. AND THE NUMBER PROPOSED, I BELIEVE WAS GOING UP TO CURRENTLY WE HAVE $800 COMBINED FEES IN LIEU OF AND PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA GO TO $1,500 TO BE SOMEWHERE IN RELATION TO WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE CHARGING. I ANTICIPATE THAT BEING HIGHER BECAUSE NOW IF WE'RE HAVING IT RECALCULATED, THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AVERAGE CELL OF AN ACRE OF LAND. AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT MARKET VALUE FOR AN ACRE OF LAND IS. . IT DEPENDS ON WHAT AREA OF PU YOU'RE LOOKING. YEAH. , I CAN TELL YOU A COUPLE DIFFERENT ONES. SO, UM, THEY'LL TAKE IN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND TAKE ALSO INTO CONSIDERATION HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO BUILD A PARK ON THAT LAND. AND THEY HAVE CERTAIN FORMULAS THAT THEY USE FOR, YOU KNOW, RESTROOM, PARKING LOT, PLAYGROUND, WALKING TRACK, BASKETBALL COURT, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD THINGS YOU SEE IN MOST PARK PARK BENCHES IN THE PARK AMENITIES. THEY TAKE ALL THAT CALCULATE TOGETHER AND DIVIDE THAT OUT TO SOME FORMULA THAT THEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO, BUT THEY COME, THAT'S WHERE THEY COME UP WITH THE PER FEE. SO I ANTICIPATE THAT FEE BEING AT LEAST $1,500 IF NOT, IF NOT HIGHER, BUT THAT I HAVEN'T GOT THE ASSESSMENT BACK YET. SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PRESUME, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THAT BACK? JUST SO THAT I CAN PAY ATTENTION ? UM, THE GOAL FOR THAT TO HAVE THE, THE GOAL, IT'S BY END THIS YEAR TO HAVE THAT BACK MORE REALISTICALLY, IT'D PROBABLY BE IN MID-JANUARY. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE FEE PORTION, LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD JUST, THAT WOULD COME, THAT WOULD NOT COME BACK FOR THIS BOARD. YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO PARKS AND REC PARKS ADVISORY BOARD FIRST BECAUSE IT'S A PARKS FEE MM-HMM. AND WE LOOK AT ANY OTHER FEES THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST MAY OR NOT. THEN COUNCIL ADJUST THAT ORDER AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEY'RE EXACTLY THE FEE. RIGHT. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE MAY BE IMPACT FEES WE NEED TO ADJUST. THERE MAY BE LIBRARY FINE FEES, WE NEED TO REINSTITUTE OR WHATEVER. AND SO IT'S, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT AS A, AS A WHOLE CITY ENTITY VERSUS JUST ONE THING IN OUR SILO. YES. YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF A COLLABORATION WITH EVERYONE. WELL THEN I DEFINITELY WANNA GET TO 15 ACRES ON BOARD ASAP. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE DIAS? OKAY. THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.3. I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE. UM, WHICH ONE IS THIS? 4.3. 4.3 AS UM, PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, LAWYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. SHORT FIGURE. IS THIS JUST A, IS THIS A APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL? UH, [00:50:01] THIS IS ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL. THIS YEAH. AND CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE. SO YES. RECOMMENDED WE CAN TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN, UM, JEFF, I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH. DECEMBER 15TH. YES. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO IT. AWESOME. 10. DO I NEED TO REWORD MY MOTION? NO. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS A CHANGE TO UDC YOUR BODY OVERSEES THAT, THAT'S WHY IT WAS PRESENTED. BUT THEN WE RE RECOMMEND, EXCUSE ME, RECOMMEND ADOPTION BY COUNCIL. OKAY. SO ANY, IT WAS THE BOARD MEMBER JIM MORRIS THAT SECONDED IT ACTUALLY, HE HE BEAT ME TO IT. ? YEAH. TO IT. YEAH. I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T SEE HIS. YEAH, BUT YOU SAW ME. YOU CAN'T SEE HIM, BUT I'M HERE. I, UH, I, UH, CONFIRMED HE BEAT ME TO IT. YEP. IAND. CORRECT. . ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, THEN CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. MOVING ON TO THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE. MOVING ON TO ITEM 4.4, CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MINOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION OF PETE'S CAJUN SEAFOOD FOOD TRUCK TO BE LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 2 0 9 FARLEY STREET. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO THIS ITEM IS FOR A FOOD TRUCK TO BE, UM, WITHIN HU'S HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE MINOR MODIFICATION, UM, FROM THIS BOARD, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UM, THIS REQUEST SEEKS TO GAIN APPROVAL TO OPERATE PETE'S CAJUN SEAFOOD AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND FARLEY STREET PROPERTIES, UM, BEING LEASED TO OTHER FOOD TRUCKS WITH ACTIVE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROVIDED THEIR CONSENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO CUSTOMER DRIVE UP SERVICE OR CUSTOMER PARKING, UM, SHALL OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THE ORDINANCE, UM, LIMITS HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ANY MOBILE FOOD VENDOR BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 8:00 PM HERE WE HAVE A LOCATION MAP. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, PETE'S CA UH, SEAFOOD TRUCK WOULD BE LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UH, PANINI TRUCK THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A IMAGE OF THE FOOD TRUCK. AS THIS REQUEST MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS ADOPTED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MINOR MODIFICATION. UM, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE AND THE OWNER IS HERE AS WELL. UM, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS. UM, WE DO THE MINOR MODIFICATIONS PER BUSINESS PER TRUCK THAT GOES IN THERE NOT FOR THE ACTUAL SITE. IS THAT BEST PRACTICE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON IN THE AREA WHERE YOU APPROVE INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS OR DO YOU APPROVE A SITE FOR LIKE A FOOD TRUCK COURT? SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS. UM, WITH THE WAY THAT THE CODE READS RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD DO IT BY TRUCK AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WAS ENVISIONED. I DON'T THINK AT THE TIME THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN ORIGINALLY, IT WAS THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOOD TRUCK COURTS THE WAY THAT WE DO. MM-HMM. , ONE THING WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IS POTENTIALLY DOING A P U D TO DO SOMETHING SPECIFIC WHILE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NEXT YEAR OF REWRITING THE UDC SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE THINGS. ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IS THAT IF WE KNOW THIS IS A WELL OPERATED FOOD TRUCK COURT, DO WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN EVERY FOOD TRUCK? EXACTLY. I WILL SAY ON THIS ONE, NO. THERE MAY BE ANOTHER FOOD TRUCK COURT IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. SUS, IF THEY ARE NOT WELL MAINTAINED, YOU CAN PULL THOSE, YOU CANNOT PULL A P U D EASILY. RIGHT. YOU'VE THEN GRANTED ZONING. SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE GIVE AND TAKES. I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT MORE. OKAY. WE KNOW THAT THIS ONE FUNCTIONS REALLY WELL. WE HAVE A GREAT OWNER, THEY'RE VERY MOTIVATED, THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE THAT, SO WE CAN'T MAKE RULES JUST FOR WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. WE HAVE TO MAKE IT FOR, UM, THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY. SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST, WE DO MINOR MODIFICATIONS FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, SECOND QUESTION WAS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN VERY EARLY THIS YEAR OR LATE LAST YEAR, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S TIED TO THE SITE OR TIED TO THE TRUCK? IT IS TIED TO THE TRUCK BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE PRIOR MINOR MODIFICATION, PROBABLY ONE OR TWO AGO, DID HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THEY HAD REQUESTED. AND [00:55:01] WE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE ON 79, THAT'S FINE. MM-HMM. , UM, HOWEVER, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE HAD ASKED FOR THAT SAME THING, YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT FAIR. YOU AS A BOARD, SORRY, NOT JUST YOU SPECIFICALLY. RIGHT. , UM, WANTED TO MAKE THAT FAIR FOR EVERYBODY. WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE HOURS APPEAR TO BE WORKING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WE MAY CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE, UM, CERTAINLY, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPEDING ANYBODY. AND WE DO KNOW THERE ARE STILL RESIDENCES DOWNTOWN THAT WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS INTO A LATE NIGHT. EXACTLY. UM, POSSIBLE USE THAT WOULD DISTURB ANYBODY ELSE. SO I THINK THE HOURS STAND AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HOURS AS WRITTEN. I JUST REMEMBER THAT WE, WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING THAT AND WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN EIGHT O'CLOCK IS AWFULLY EARLY DURING THE SUMMER. MM-HMM. NOW IT'S REALLY LATE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BED. , IT'S MIDNIGHT . IT'S, IT'S PAST MY BEDTIME. OKAY. THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS I HAD. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.4 A MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 4.4 AS PRESENTED. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, SHORT FIGURE, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. MOVING ON TO 4.5 CONSIDERATION, IMPOSSIBLE. ACTION ON THE MINOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION OF 67. KITCHEN FOOD TRUCK TO BE LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 2 0 9 FARLEY STREET. THIS ITEM IS FOR ANOTHER FOOD TRUCK TO BE LOCATED AT THE SAME SPOT. UM, AS IT WAS JUST MENTIONED, UM, THIS FOOD TRUCK WOULD BE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, NEEDING A MINOR MODIFICATION. UM, THE REQUEST IS TO SEEK, UM, APPROVAL TO OPERATE 67 KITCHEN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND FARLEY STREET AND 67 KITCHEN WOULD BE A ASIAN FOOD TRUCK. UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY BEING LEASED TO OTHER FOOD TRUCKS WITH ACTIVE MINOR MODIFICATIONS. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROVIDED THEIR CONSENT WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS, UM, NOT TO DRIVE UP, AND THAT CUSTOMER PARKING, UM, WILL NOT OCCUR ON, ON SITE. UH, THE ORDINANCE AGAIN, LIMITS THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION IS 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM HERE IS THE LOCATION MAP, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT 67 KITCHEN IS JUST SOUTH OF PETE'S CA SEAFOOD AND THERE'S A IMAGE OF THE TRUCK. AND WITH THAT AS, UM, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS MEET THE UDC, UH, STAFF, MEN'S APPROVAL OF THIS MINOR MODIFICATION, UH, ONE COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. IT WAS ASIAN. I KEPT READING THE PICTURE AS AGAIN DANG , AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. . WHAT? OH, OVER HERE, . YES. I KEPT READING THAT AS AGAIN, I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T SEE THAT AT ALL. . THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. IT'S ASIA. OKAY. THAT IT WASN'T JUST ME , IT'S JUST THE SAME PICTURE. SO IT'S SAYING AGAIN. EXACTLY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY DISCUSSION, COMMENT, OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.5. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, 4.5 AS IT IS PRESENTED. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, LAWYER, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. SO EXCITING. NEXT IS 4.6 CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ON THE 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING CALENDAR. ALL RIGHT. WITH THE END OF THE YEAR COMING UP, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE NEEDED TO HAVE A NEW CALENDAR FOR OUR, UM, SUBMITTAL SCHEDULED AND INCLUDING THE DATES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOLKS. UM, THE P AND Z MEETINGS WILL STILL BE ON THE SEC OR THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT TO Y'ALL JULY AND OCTOBER. UM, JULY 4TH IS OF COURSE, INDEPENDENCE DAY BEING THE FIRST TUESDAY THE CITY WAS GONNA BE CLOSED, SO WE MOVED IT TO THE NEXT TUESDAY, AND THEN IN OCTOBER, THAT FIRST TUESDAY WOULD BE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, SO WE MOVED IT TO THE NEXT TUESDAY. THANK [01:00:01] YOU FOR MOVING THE NATIONAL LIGHT OUT ONE. APPRECIATE THAT. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH, UH, MEETING ALMOST MID-MONTH ON THOSE TWO MONTHS? NO ISSUES FOR ME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THE POSSIBLE ACTION WOULD THEN BE TO APPROVE THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WE MIGHT NEED TWO MEETINGS IF THAT WERE TO CHANGE WHEN, SO IF THAT CHANGES, THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH BIGGER CONVERSATION. OKAY. UM, AND WE WILL COME BACK WITH A FULL PROPOSAL OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE CERTAINLY THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S APPOINTED THAT WE'VE GOTTA GET CONSENSUS. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA LOSE MEMBERS. UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT WE'RE STAYING AT A CONSISTENT LEVEL OF WORK REQUIRED. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA HAVE A MEETING FOR A 30 MINUTE PLAT WHEN THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN DO OTHERWISE. AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE, UH, RIGHT NOW WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF IN HOUSE BECAUSE HAVING JOHN AND I THEN HAVE TO MANAGE TWO SCHEDULES FOR TWO SEPARATE P AND ZS, THAT MEANS LIKE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WOULD BE, I WOULD TAKE ONE MEAL SCHEDULE. HE WOULD TAKE ONE, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. UM, WHERE RIGHT NOW WE CAN KIND OF WORK IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER ON THE AGENDA. UM, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING PRETTY WELL. SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE DISCUSSIONS. BUT IF WE STAY AT THE SAME LEVEL OR WE PICK UP, OR ONCE WE START GETTING IN THE UDC AND WE SEE THAT THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE WORK SESSIONS OUTSIDE OF IT, WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. ZERO SURPRISES. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS A SECOND MEETING, SORRY, GO. UH, AS FAR AS A SECOND MEETING PER MONTH, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT JULY AND UH, OCTOBER? THAT I'M HONESTLY NOT SURE OF. WE MAY JUST START HAVING THEM AS, AS NEEDED AND SEE IF WE REALLY NEED THEM. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT MAY ALSO NEED THIS ROOM. AND SO THAT'S WHERE LOOKING AT THE CHARTER, IF THE CHARTER SAID WHAT DAYS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE MEETINGS OR IF IT'S JUST THE UDC, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE IMPLICATIONS ON IF WE ACTUALLY NEED CHARTER OR UDC CHANGES. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CHARTER AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT GOT TAKEN OUT. I THINK IT'S JUST IN OUR CODE. OKAY. BUT WE CERTAINLY NEED MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, BREAKING ANY OF OUR OWN RULES. YES. COMMISSION MORRIS, UM, I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL USES WORKSHOPS TO KIND OF GET SOME WORK DONE IN THE BACKGROUND. IS, IS THAT TYPE OF MEETING AVAILABLE FOR P AND Z TO SO THAT WE TO AVOID HAVING TO GO TO MORE THAN ONE MEETING A MONTH WHEN A LOAD SEEMS TO BE TEMPORARILY HEAVIER THAN NORMAL? I'M JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A VIABLE THING OR IF EVEN POSSIBLE LEGALLY. NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. WE CERTAINLY HAVE, I'VE BEEN IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE ACTUALLY RUN WITH LIKE AN ALL DAY WORKSHOP TO LOOK AT THOSE LONG KIND OF FOCUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, HEY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS OUR WORK PLAN FOR THE YEAR. MOSTLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH LONG RANGE PLANS AND UDC REWRITES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT MAY ACTUALLY SUFFICE. BUT WE ALSO THEN CAN'T SURPRISE YOU CUZ IT WOULD BE A FULL DAY RIGHT. WITH US. UM, YOU'RE WELCOME. I KNOW IT'D BE SO MUCH FUN. WE WOULD FEED YOU . UM, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS. I KNOW I HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED IN CITIES WHERE YOU DO HAVE A WORK SESSION AND THEN P AND Z, UM, ESPECIALLY TO TALK ABOUT A CONSENT AGENDA OR OTHER THINGS. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT WE CAN FIT IN CUZ CERTAINLY I DON'T WANNA HAVE A MEETING TO HAVE A MEETING OR A MEETING PRIOR TO THE MEETING. LET'S JUST MOVE THE MEETING FORWARD IF WE REALLY KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SUPER LONG AGENDA. CUZ A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHEN WE'RE GETTING TO THAT. MM-HMM . AND DON'T TAKE THAT AS A VOTE FOR ME AGAINST 2, 2, 2, 2 MONTHS CUZ MY SCHEDULE'S A LOT MORE FLEXIBLE. BUT I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST THAT. I WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'LL COME BACK. JUST COMPROMISE FOR OTHERS AS WELL. YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS. CERTAINLY AS WE SEE THE WORKLOAD OR ONCE WE GET IN, ONCE THE COMP PLAN IS DONE JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME AND Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THAT AND WE'RE DONE WITH THAT AND WE GO INTO THE RFQ FOR THE UM, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE, THEN I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESTART THOSE. CUZ RIGHT NOW OUR WORKLOAD HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT LESS SO WE'RE NOT GETTING OUTTA HERE AT MIDNIGHT. IF WE START GETTING OUTTA HERE REALLY LATE, WE'RE GONNA I KNOW. KNOCK ON SOMETHING. SORRY GUYS. UM, IF WE START GETTING OUTTA HERE AND IT CONTINUALLY GETS LATER AND OUR AGENDA IS GETTING LONGER, THEN I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE'LL SAY, OKAY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA START CALLING SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE, MORE THINGS DONE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME SO WE CAN ALL GO HOME TO OUR FAMILIES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED AND WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION ON TWICE A MONTH OR SPECIAL CALLED OR WORK SESSIONS AS NEEDED. YES. IN THE FUTURE. [01:05:01] ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.6. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2023 CALENDAR. AS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS OR WORKSHOPS AT SOME POINT. I WILL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MEYER RECOMMENDING OR APPROVING THE 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING CALENDAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO COMMISSIONERS. IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PUBLICLY THANK JOHN FOR TAKING THIS ON IF YOU HADN'T YET MET HIM. HE'S ONLY BEEN BACK FOR A FEW MONTHS. UM, AND WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE HIM. I'M LUCKY TO HAVE HIM. LET'S JUST BE REAL . UM, SO HE ACTUALLY TOOK THAT ON CUZ I JUST SAID, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING KIND OF MENTIONED IT IN PASSING AND HE CAME TO ME, HE WAS LIKE, HEY, IT'S THE END OF THE YEAR. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THAT DONE. AND I WAS LIKE, THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO THIS. SO, UM, IT ACTUALLY NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND THE REST OF IT, THAT'S WAS ALL HIM MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE SQUARED AWAY FOR THE YEAR. SO I JUST WANNA PUBLICLY THANK HIM FOR THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO 4.2. CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING IMPOSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE HU INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AT 5 73. CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD, HODO HIGH SCHOOL, 76.135 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. UDC 10.40 7.5 REQUIRED PARKING 10.40 5.9 AND ROOF MOUNTED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT 10.40 6.6 0.8. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD. ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. UM, YOU MAY RECALL I THINK THE MAJORITY OF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD OR AT LEAST AT CITY COUNCIL WHEN ANOTHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CAME FORWARD. THE CITY HAS AN EXISTING ILA OR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH OUR HU INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. OTHERWISE I'LL JUST REFER TO THEM AS THE IS D UH, TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROCESS WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPING. THEY DO HAVE CONCERNS NOT JUST ABOUT SPENDING TAXPAYERS MONEY BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TO DO THAT JUST LIKE WE DO, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT SAFETY. SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT THEY WILL ASK FOR, LIKE REDUCTIONS IN LANDSCAPING. UM, AND THIS IS A SITE THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL FAIRLY AWARE WITH BECAUSE, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD TO DO A SIMILAR ITEM FOR THE STADIUM. SO THAT SAID, THIS MEETS WITH THE CURRENT ILA. I WILL PUT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE A PENDING, UM, CONFIRMED MEETING WITH THE ISD FOR JANUARY 11TH. SO WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT AMENDING THAT ILA THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY OUTPACES THAT PROCESS. SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS BEFORE YOU SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO HELP THEM WITH THAT MODERNIZATION PROJECT. UM, AND GET THIS UP AND RUNNING SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE PERMIT SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE WORK ON THE SUMMER, UM, WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE STUDENTS ON CAMPUS IN THOSE AREAS. UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, OF COURSE IT'S HEAD INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, THE CURRENT LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE WHOLE HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS. YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE PARKING COUNT. UM, THEY DO HAVE A REDUCTION IN THEIR PARKING, HOWEVER, THEY ARE ALMOST BEATING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. I THINK IT'S A REDUCTION OF 31 SPACES. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING THOSE SPACES TO SITE. THEY NEEDED FIVE SPACES FOR UM, I THINK THEY NEEDED CLOSE TO 2000 SPACES FOR THE STADIUM ALONE. SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT UTILIZING NOT JUST SPACES ON THEIR SITE BUT ALSO ON THE ADJACENT NADIAN JOHNSON. AND IF NECESSARY, AS WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN OTHER LARGER EVENTS, YOU CAN ALSO BUS PEOPLE IN. AND UM, LUCKILY FOR US, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT ALSO RUNS ITS OWN, UM, TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO THEY HAVE THAT AT HAND THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ALSO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. UM, AND THEY CAN COORDINATE THAT AMONGST THEM WITHIN THEIR OWN GROUP. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND UM, WORK WITH ON A SEPARATE CONTRACT. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S A, UH, TENTATIVE FUTURE EXPANSION WITHIN THERE. YOU SEE THE MAIN SCHOOL AND THEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE BUILDING ADDITIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING. UM, THAT'S THE COLOR IN THAT HIPPO ORANGE COLOR UP THERE. AND HERE YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE PARKING ADJACENCY. SO THEY REALLY CALLED OUT WHERE THEY ARE, WHERE THE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT A LOT MORE PARKING EVEN MORE THAN JUST NOT HAVING THAT 31 SPACES. AND SO FOR THE ROOF PLAN ADDITIONS AND THEN SOME OF THE VIEW ANGLES, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I DID GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THIS IN HERE. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRING ANYWAY. AND CERTAINLY BEING ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND NOT VISIBLE FROM CHRIS KELLY STAFF REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS PORTION. AND ALSO WITH THE HOUSE BILL ON MATERIALS, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE IT A QUALITY [01:10:01] PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO ANYWAY. AND WE CERTAINLY WEREN'T GOING TO SAY, WELL IT HAS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MACING CUZ WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS OF THE LAW THAT WE CANNOT ASK FOR THAT ANYMORE, UM, WITHIN WHAT WE HAVE. AND THEN HERE YOU GO. THIS I THINK IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGER DISCUSSION AND UM, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING. SO PART OF THIS AGAIN, IS THAT, UM, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE LANDSCAPING. SOME OF THAT'S IN THOSE PARKING AREAS. UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE MEETING ABOUT THEIR 15% AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IN CASE YOU NEED MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. UM, SO THE UDC REQUIRES THE 15%, UM, OF TWO LARGE TREES AND FOUR SHRUBS AND THAT'S FOR EVERY 500 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES. AND ONE THING THAT WE HAVE HEARD CONTINUOUSLY IS THAT SOMETIMES TREES AND OTHER THINGS CAN PRESENT, UM, A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THEM AND IT'S ALSO A REALLY EXPENSIVE FOR THEM. AND SO ONE THING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PLANT 30%, THAT'S THE REQUEST IS THE PLANT 30% OF THE REQUIRED TREES. AND I DO KNOW THAT THEY HAD WATCHED THE PRIOR P AND Z MEETINGS AND COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS AGREED TO LAST TIME. MM-HMM. . SO THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSED THAT TO, AT AN ATTEMPT TO MEET THE THINGS THAT P AND Z AND COUNCIL HAD SAID WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM PREVIOUSLY. SO IT IS A REDUCTION IN 245 TREES. BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE PLANTING ADDITIONAL THAT THEY HAD AGREED TO ALONG THE UP RAIL LINE THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO. YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT COLOR. THAT'S THE BLUE CIRCLES ON THE NORTH, UM, NORTH SIDE OF THIS MAP. AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE PARKING LOT SCREENING FROM 74 TO 25. HOWEVER YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN, THEY ARE STILL PLANTING TREES AND THEY ARE STILL MAKING SOME BUFFERING WHERE IT WOULD BE SAFE, BUT THEY STILL MAINTAIN THOSE, UM, LINES OF VISIBILITY. SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, UM, OF THIS PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. AND WE DID GET ONE RESPONSE IN A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT IT WAS ALSO IN FAVOR. AND I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE A PRINTOUT OF THAT AT YOUR FROM JOHN BYRON? YEAH, WELL THAT'S HIM EVAN. SORRY, IT'S FROM EVAN. BRYAN. WOW. YES. STAFF DID NOT, THE STAFF ONLY STAFFED, RECOMMEND SUPER BOWL. HOW ABOUT EVAN? BRIAN? YES, WE DID GET A RECEIVE A COMMENT BY EMAIL FROM EVAN BRYAN. SO YOU DO HAVE THAT. UM, YEAH, JOHN WAS NICE ENOUGH TO PRINT THAT OUT FOR US. UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ISD HERE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THEIR ARCHITECTS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, THEY DID TAKE TIME. THEY DID WATCH THOSE MEETINGS. THEY DID LOOK AT WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF AND WHAT COUNSEL HAD BEEN CONCERNED WITH. AND THEY'RE, UM, ATTEMPTING TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS WITH THIS REQUEST. ALL RIGHT. WELL THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:12 PM AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HELLO? UM, MAYBE I'M NOT SEEING THIS IMAGE AS WELL AS I COULD, BUT I SEE A SCHOOL WITH NO BIKE LANES. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT UPSETS ME BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE AND THAT WASN'T FUN. AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STUDENTS HAVE OPTIONS TO GET TO SCHOOL THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, RELYING ON CARS. UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE KIDS CAN'T REALLY DRIVE. UH, AND HAVING A BIKE LANE MAKES IT A LITTLE SAFER FOR, UH, KIDS GETTING TO SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF CARS INVOLVED. UM, THAT'S MY BIG QUESTION IS ARE THERE BIKE LANES? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SEEING BECAUSE I'M BLIND OR ARE THEY NOT THERE? SO I'LL JUMP IN JUST FROM THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT DOES INDICATE THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS. AND SO THIS LOCATION HAS SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ALONG CHRIS KELLY, UM, ALONG, CAN'T THINK OF THE OTHER NAME THAT GOES NEXT TO NADINE JOHNSON. CARL STERN. CARL STERN. SO YOU CAN TAKE, YOU COULD GO ON WALK OR RIDE A BIKE ALONG THE SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY FROM OKAY. FROM ONE 30 TO THE HIGH SCHOOL TO NADINE JOHNSON INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THERE. OKAY. UM, AND IS RIDING A BICYCLE ON A SIDEWALK LIKE A, A DISTRICT THING? CAUSE I'VE HEARD RUMORS ABOUT IT, UH, FOR AUSTIN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT'S, THERE ARE CROSSING GUARDS THAT DISTRICT EMPLOYEES DURING THE HIGH TIMES THAT ARE AT 79 AND OVER B NADINE JOHNSON AND AT THE BUS LOOP THAT STOPS TRAFFIC AND THEY STOP IT FOR THE, THE STUDENTS THAT ARE RIDING THEIR BIKES ALSO. OKAY. UM, BUT RIDING THE BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK IS OKAY. THAT'S FINE. HERE? MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . OKAY. I'VE HEARD OTHERWISE IN OTHER PLACES, SO I DON'T KNOW. I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT COOL. SO SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS AROUND [01:15:01] THE WHOLE, IT'S AROUND THE PERIMETER STREETS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS INSIDE THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE. UM, THERE, I'M NOT SURE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ADDED SOME WITH THE NEW ENTRANCE, IS THAT CORRECT, GARRETT? UM, WE HAVE ADDED A FEW HERE AND THERE. OKAY. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS PARKING. THERE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE KINDS OF TRAFFIC. OKAY. WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY? OKAY. AND ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS IMAGE ON HIGHWAY 79 IS THAT I SEE THE LITTLE BLUE DOTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TREES. WHAT IS BETWEEN THE TREES AND THE ROAD? THAT IS THE RAILROAD. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND THEN IS THERE ANY WAY FOR PEDESTRIANS TO GET ALONG HIGHWAY 79 ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SCHOOL? YOU CAN GO UP CHRIS ON THE SIDE AT THE SIDEWALK AND YOU CAN CROSS AT THE MAIN, THE MAIN LIGHT AT 79, CHRIS KELLY, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT GOES ON THE EAST SIDE AND CROSSES OVER. BUT THERE, UNION PACIFIC DOES NOT WANT ANY OTHER ACCESS POINTS FOR SAFETY REASONS. OKAY. AND THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS OR BIKE PATHS OR ANYTHING PARALLEL TO THE TRACKS AND 79. OKAY. SO NO, YOU CAN CROSS EITHER SIDE OF 79. YOU CAN CROSS, BUT YOU CAN'T GO ALONG THE HIGHWAY. OKAY. YOU CAN ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THE HOME DEPOT SIDE, THERE'S SIDEWALKS BUT THERE'S NOT ON YEAH, THERE'S A FEW. THEY'RE HIT AND MISS. THEY'RE NOT CONTINUOUS. YEAH. MM-HMM. , BUT NOT ON, NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79. RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE ALTERNATIVES TO, UH, TRANSPORTATION BESIDES JUST VEHICLES. UM, BUT IF THERE ARE GONNA BE SIDEWALKS THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE THE, THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN WITH THE PARKS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. ONCE THEY CAN GET SOME MORE LAND THAT THAT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO CONNECT TO MAKE IT, UM, EASIER OKAY. FOR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO GOTCHA. TO BIKE IN. OKAY. I DO SEE A LOT OF STUDENTS BIKING IN THOUGH. UM, ESPECIALLY DOWN THAT SIDEWALK ON CHRIS KELLY. YEAH. COMING FROM THE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOODS MM-HMM. , THAT'S, YEAH. WHERE I LIVE AND I SEE A LOT OF KIDS BIKING AROUND AND YEAH. UH, YOU KNOW, I GO EXTRA SLOW CUZ OF WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH, BUT, UM, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN IS, UH, A GREAT CONCERN. MM-HMM. OTHER, OTHER VIABLE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:17 PM AND OPENING UP FOR DISCUSSION FROM THE DIAS. I, SO I'LL JUMP IN SINCE GET IT. IT'S BEEN THE STADIUM. IT'S BEEN THE NINTH GRADE CENTER. SO, UM, I DO COMMEND THAT THEY WATCH THE VIDEOS, THEY DID THE 30% REDUCTION. I DO DISAGREE THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INTERLOCAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE ELIMINATED ALL SHRUBS ON THE PROPERTY AND SHRUBS ARE ONLY ELIMINATED AT THE MAIN ENTRANCES. AND IN THE PARKING LOTS, WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE THAT THEY COULD PUT SHRUBS ALONG WITH THOSE TREES. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY MEETING THE INTERLOCAL AT THIS TIME. UM, BUT I DO DON'T, I DON'T TAKE A FENCE THAT WE'VE REDUCED IT TO THE 30% THAT WE KIND OF INDICATED WAS OUR THRESHOLD AT ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS. UM, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS THEY COULD ADD TO INCREASE IT. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING BUDGETS AND I KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING HOW MUCH, UH, WHAT IS THE MASTER PLAN ON THIS RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU'RE ADDING TO THE BUILDING? THE MICROPHONE? UH, IT VARIES. UH, RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE ADDING. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE, DUE TO BUDGET CUTS AND THE, UH, NEED TO FULLY, UM, FUND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL PROJECT, WE HAVE REDUCED THE SCOPE A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS STILL KIND OF THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD WITH APOLOGIZE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL BOND MONEY COMING UP, UH, POTENTIALLY IN MAY OR PERHAPS NOVEMBER. SO IT'S KIND OF A, A VISION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROJECT. SO I THINK WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH MIGHT ACTUALLY BE LESS THAN MAYBE 70,000 MIGHT BE ON THE HIGH SIDE FOR WHAT'S ACTUALLY REMAINING IN THE PROJECT OF THE CURRENT STATE. OKAY. AND, UM, THE AREAS THAT WERE IN FILLING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS THERE MM-HMM. , I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, IS THAT OUTSIDE OF THE CAFETERIA WHERE THERE'S TREES AND IT'S A LITTLE PLAZA AREA? OR IS THAT NO, UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SECTION BETWEEN THE PACK AND THE TWO STORY CLASSROOM, UH, BUILDING THAT WAS ADDED SHORTLY AFTER THE, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WAS PUT TOGETHER. [01:20:01] AND THEN WE ARE INFILLING NEXT TO THE BAND HALL. UH, THERE IS, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ADDING THE ORCHESTRA EDITION AND THEN WE'RE RENOVATING WITH THE INTERIOR PORTION OF THAT BUILDING. OKAY. AND THEN, SO I JUMPED OFF TREES. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING A LOT OF PARKING ON HERE. UM, I LIVE RIGHT BY THIS. I HAVE TO DRIVE ACROSS CHRIS KELLY EVERY DAY TO GO TO NADINE JOHNSON. AND I HATE THE TRAFFIC THERE. AND WE'RE ADDING HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS THAT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL STUDENTS TO PARK THERE. AND ARE WE DOING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONLY LETTING PEOPLE OUT, BASICALLY TWO EXITS OUT OF THIS FACILITY, AND WE HAVE, WHAT, 2000 PARKING SPOTS COMING OUT OF TWO SPOTS. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE'RE DOING THIS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE CIRCULATION AT THE SAME TIME, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE HIGH TIMES AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING AND FOUR O'CLOCK WHEN THE HIGH SCHOOLERS GET OUT. IS THAT PART OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS MOVING FORWARD? DO WE KNOW, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE I S D AND WITH HENRIE GIDEON, HE DID SAY THAT THERE IS, THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS BEING PERFORMED. I DON'T HAVE THEM AT THIS POINT FOR THIS, UM, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST A COPY AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND MOVE THROUGH THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS. THIS IS JUST TO GET THEM APPROVED TO EVEN TRY TO SUBMIT FOR A SITE PLAN. RIGHT. SO, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY YEAH, WE'RE ADDING THAT MANY. I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WOULD WEIRD TRIP THE TRIGGERS OR FOR THE TRIP GENERATION THAT WOULD BE, UM, ALLOCATED. AND WE ALSO HAVE MARK WILLY HERE WITH THE ISD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARK WILLY. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES PLANNING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR THE DISTRICT. JUST KIND OF ANSWER YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, UH, MR. SCHWART FIGURE IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE 200 ADDITIONALS, UH, PARKING SPACES DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA HAVE 200 ADDITIONAL STUDENT DRIVERS. UM, THERE ARE STILL REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET AT, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL IN ORDER TO DRIVE TO CAMPUS. SO THE ADDITION OF PARKING SPACES IS REALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVENTS, THE LARGE EVENTS AND FOOTBALL GAMES THAT WE HAD. UH, BUT THAT WON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THERE WOULD BE A, UH, MORE OF AN IMPACT FOR TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING. YEAH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S MORE FOR THE EVENTS, BUT IT TAKES 20 MINUTES TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF NADINE JOHNSON TO CHRIS KELLY. CERTAINLY BECAUSE ALL OF THE BUSES AND THE STUDENTS ARE ALL COMING OUT ON THAT SOUTH SIDE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY PLACE THAT THE STUDENTS ARE COMING OUT OF THERE. IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS ADDITIONAL PARKING, YES, IT'S FOR THE STADIUM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE IT AT SOME POINT. YOUR STUDENT POPULATION IS EXPLODING. WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THERE. WE KNOW THAT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER GETS BUILT OUT AS A NEW HIGH SCHOOL. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS IN THIS DISTRICT WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS. THIS CAMPUS IS LANDLOCKED AND WE HAVE MINOR, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TWO MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THIS FACILITY. YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE TRAFFIC PADDING GOING THROUGH WHERE THE HIPPO IS IN THAT MAIN SECTION, IN THAT CIRCLE AREA, AND THAT'S BASICALLY BEEN BLOCKED OFF NOW. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY THROWING EVERYBODY OFF CHRIS KELLY OR DOWN BETWEEN THE HIGH SCHOOL AND NADINE JOHNSON, WHICH SEEMS TO BE, UM, IN MY OPINION, NOT A WISE DECISION RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS HUGE POPULATION GOING OUT OF TWO PINCH POINTS. THE FACT THAT IT'S ALSO NEXT TO THE NADINE JOHNSON AND YOU'VE GOT STUDENTS HAVING TO CROSS OVER AND WALK ACROSS. IT SEEMS TO BE A SAFETY CONCERN IN MY OPINION. SO I'M RECOMMENDING WE NEED SOMETHING DONE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THE DISTRICT ALSO THROUGH THIS PLAN. AND I THINK I READ THROUGH THE, YOUR NOTES, GARRETT, THAT IT SAID THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOME ISSUES WITH THE CIRCULATION AND STUFF THAT YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU COME IN, YOU GOT THAT NICE SWOOP THAT GOES BACK TO THE STADIUM, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE HARD 90 TURNS. WE'RE JUST GONNA BE CONGESTING THE SITE AND IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING NOW, IT, I WOULD RATHER LESS PARKING AND MORE INTERESTING ABILITY TO GET PEOPLE OUTTA THE SITE. SO THOSE ARE MY QUICK QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. UM, BUT I STILL GOING BACK TO THE TREES, UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ALL THE SHRUBS BROUGHT BACK AT ALL THE PERIMETER AREAS THAT ARE NOT AT THE PARKING LOTS AND TREES AND LANDSCAPE ISLANDS. I DON'T SEE THE REASON WE, WE WENT AWAY FROM THAT WITH THE OTHER SITE WAS FOR BAND PRACTICE. CORRECT. AND I ASSUME IS WELL TO BE BAND PRACTICE IN THIS PROPOSED PARKING LOT? NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AFFECTING ANYWHERE WHERE THE BAND MAY BE PRACTICING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN EAST SIDE OF THE STADIUM THERE, UH, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE THE BAND ACTUALLY LINES UP FOR PRACTICE. WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE IS MORE BASIC SUPPORT FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT FOR THE HOME SIDE OF THE MAJOR EVENTS FROM FOOTBALL, UH, BASICALLY THE FOOTBALL EVENTS. UM, SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT WHERE STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY USING IT ON DAY TO DAY BASIS. OKAY. THEN YEAH, I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE WITHOUT PROVIDING A TREE WITHIN EVERY LANDSCAPED ISLAND. UM, PARDON ME, MR. [01:25:01] MEYER, IF I MAY ADDRESS THAT. UH, THE REASON WE REMOVED, UH, TREES AND ISLANDS FROM WITHIN THE, UH, THE PARKING AREAS, UH, ONE IS LINE OF SIGHT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO TRACK AND MONITOR STUDENTS AND STUDENT ACTIVITY IN THE PARKING LOTS, UH, BEFORE SCHOOL, DURING SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL IN DIFFERENT EVENTS. AS IS, AS WAS THE CASE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN OUR SAFETY OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO TRACK AND MONITOR STUDENTS WHO WERE AT A, AT, AT AN EVENT AT THE STADIUM WITH MALLIN INTENT. AND SO HAD IT, HAD THERE BEEN TREES IN THOSE PARKING AREAS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFICULT TO TRACK THEIR MOVEMENT ACROSS THE CAMPUS. SO, UH, IT IS, IT IS OUR PRACTICE OF REMOVING TREES FROM WITHIN PARKING AREAS IN ORDER TO MONITOR, UH, STUDENT, UH, BEHAVIOR, UH, AND ANY, ANYBODY THAT MAY COME ONTO A CAMPUS WITH, WITH MALLON PEN. UH, SO IT IS, IT IS A BIG SAFETY FACTOR FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR, UH, LINE OF SIGHT IS UNOBSTRUCTED, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING EVENTS, BEFORE SCHOOL, AFTER SCHOOL, SO WE CAN MONITOR THAT, UH, ACTIVITY. THAT'S WHY WE'VE MOVED OF THE TREES TO THE PERIMETER AREAS, UH, OF THOSE PARKING SPACES AND OUT ALONGSIDE THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS PLAN THOUGH, SHOWS THAT YOU ARE STILL PUTTING STUFF IN THE ISLANDS. SO THAT STATEMENT'S INCORRECT BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE, ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN, UM, WAS THIS 10, 15, 10 ISLANDS THAT ARE INCLUDING TREES. SO ARE YOU TAKING THOSE ALL OUT TOTALLY. OR ARE THERE STILL SPECIFIC ISLANDS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN TREES FOR? UM, I'M GONNA SAY THE COLON GOING INTO THE STADIUM, WHICH TRAVERSES THE SITE. YOU'VE GOT TREES. I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, HERE, HERE THAT YEAH, THE WHOLE OLDER ISLAND, WHOLE OTHER AREA. UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I THINK THE PROPOSED TREES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING PROVIDE YOU THAT LINE OF SIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE A HIGH CANOPY. UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY SHADE TREES FOR THAT, FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY? YES, SIR. OKAY. WE HAVE CAMERAS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. WE HAVE CAMERAS, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE STADIUM. UH, THAT WAS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE PERPETRATORS, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. UH, THROUGH, IN THEIR MOVEMENT WE WERE ABLE TO GO FROM CAMERA VIEW TO CAMERA VIEW TO CAMERA VIEW TO WATCH THEIR, THEIR ACTIVITY AND TO BE ABLE TO PIECE TOGETHER THEIR MOVEMENTS AND, AND GOING REALLY QUICKLY BACK TO THE ISLANDS DISCUSSION. UM, YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT WE ARE, WE'VE REMOVED QUITE A FEW ISLANDS FROM THIS ACTUAL PROPOSAL, AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES. SO THOSE ARE EFFECTIVELY THE ISLANDS AND TREES THAT WE ARE MOVING FROM THE SPACE WHERE WE HAVE LEFT THEM ARE IN AREAS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SHAPE THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN STILL PROVIDING THAT SECURITY FEATURE THAT THE DISTRICT HAS PROVIDED. SO LONG TERM, THEY WILL BE THAT PROMENADE THAT YOU SEE COMING FROM THE STADIUM TO KIND OF CONNECT TO PORTIONS OF THE PARKING LOT TO CREATE THAT GRAND APPROACH. SO WHEN WE CAN PUT THEM IN THERE TO MAKE THEM AS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE SPACE ITSELF, WE ARE ADDING THEM IN THERE, BUT TO HAVE THEM IN AT EVERY 10 SPOTS AS PER THAT YOU DO SEE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE AVOIDED IN THIS PROCESS. SO THEN THE, THAT PROMENADE THAT GOES UP THERE, UM, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK FROM WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE STADIUM MM-HMM. , ARE THERE TREES THERE? I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY PUT TREES IN THERE. UH, YOU MEAN AS FAR AS THE STADIUM PROJECT OR THEIR CURRENT YEAH. STARTED AS THE STADIUM PROJECT. THE INTENT WAS THAT FOR IT TO BE THERE AS, AS PART OF THE STADIUM PROJECT, THE DESIGNERS WHO ARE PART OF THAT PROJECT NOW WORK AT OUR FIRM AND HAVE CONTINUED THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED HERE IN THIS UVC OR THIS AS SPECIFIC AS PERMIT. SO ARE THERE TREES THERE EXISTING RIGHT NOW OR NOT? THEY'RE NOT, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO PUT TREES THERE. I'M SORRY, ALONG THE PROMENADE COMING FORWARD. SO YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND YOU CONTINUE STRAIGHT DOWN, UH, THOSE ISLANDS BASICALLY FLANK IT. I THOUGHT THE INTENT FROM THE ORIGINAL STADIUM PROJECT WAS TO HAVE TREE LINED ON EACH SIDE. THERE ARE, THERE ARE, YES. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, MY QUESTION IS GONNA GET AWAY FROM THE TREES JUST FOR A SECOND, AND I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE SIGHT LINES, VIEW ANGLES. UM, WHAT HEIGHT ARE WE LOOKING AT STARTING THAT VIEW ANGLE? IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR. ARE WE TALKING THREE FEET, FIVE FEET, SEVEN FEET? OH, YOU MEAN FROM THE ROAD, AT THE STREET OF THE ROAD? IT'S TYPICALLY ABOUT FIVE FEET OR SO. FIVE AND A HALF FEET EYE LEVEL OF A, OF A STANDARD PERSON. OKAY. I THINK THE WAY OUR CODE SAYS IT IS THE AVERAGE SIZE PERSON. SO I USUALLY JUST GO OUT AND STAND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES AND LOOK. AND IF I CAN'T SEE IT, WE'RE USUALLY, YEAH, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. THE AVERAGE, LIKE I CAN DO IT . OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I WASN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR HOW, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT A THREE FOOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE BUSHES, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A THREE FOOT HEIGHT AND ARE WE MEASURING FROM THERE THE STANDARD TYPE? IT WOULD BE USED PRETTY MUCH FIVE AND A HALF FEET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DID LIKE YOUR CLARITY OF YOUR ONLY SCREENING, THE NEW PARTS, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO SCREEN THAT BIG UNIT THAT'S ALREADY UP THERE, KURT. I WOULD LOVE TO SCREEN THE OLD PARTS AS WELL. WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. [01:30:01] , . UH, NEXT IS THE TREES AND THE BUSHES. NOW THAT THE BREAK FROM TREES AND BUSHES IS OVER, UM, I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THE 70% REDUCTION, UH, AND, AND REMOVAL OF THE BUSHES. IF, AND I BELIEVE WE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IF WE INCREASE THE CALIBER SIZE OF THE TREES, IF WE GET MORE MATURE TREES ON SITE THAT ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE SHADE AND THE COVERAGE AND EVERYTHING. AND WITH THE, UH, THE SECURITY, THE SAFETY CONCERNS, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY HAVING BUSHES WITHIN, WITHIN THE, UH, INTERIOR OF THE SITE? PROBABLY NOT THE BEST IDEA, BUT I'M ABSOLUTELY OKAY WITH IT IF WE CAN INCREASE THE CALIPER SIZE OF THE TREES AND GET MORE MATURE TREES ON THE SITE. SO, UH, POINT OF CLARITY, UH, THE GREEN TREES, IF IT WASN'T CLEAR, ACTUALLY CONSTITUTE THE 30% THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THE BLUE TREES ARE THE A HUNDRED CALIBER INCHES THAT WE INHERITED AS PART OF THE STADIUM PROJECT. RIGHT. SO THE A HUNDRED CALIBER TREES ARE, THERE ARE 33 OF THEM BECAUSE WE ARE USING THREE INCHES AS OUR BASE CPER. RIGHT. UH, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR THE PLANNING ITS OWN DEPARTMENT THAT SHOWS THAT DOWN TO A 25 NUMBER, NUMBER OF 25 TREES, BECAUSE IT'S A FOUR CALIBER INCHES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. UM, WE HAVE BASICALLY MAINTAINED THE SAME SPACING THAT WE ARE SHOWING IN THE CURRENT GRAPHIC. WHERE WE ACTUALLY TOOK THE TREES FROM WAS THAT CLUSTER THAT WE HAD PROVIDED AT THE CORNER OF 79 AND CHRIS KELLY AND DISTRIBUTED A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO IT STILL HAS THE SAME DISTRIBUTION AS YOU MOVE AROUND THE PROPERTY OVER TO FRONT STREET. UH, BUT IT IS NOW 25 OF THE BLUE TREES. AND THE GREEN TREES HAVE BEEN FILLED WHERE, WHERE THERE WERE GAPS BEFORE. SO WE DO HAVE THAT EXHIBIT READY AND PREPARED. IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. WE CAN CERTAINLY GO IN THAT DIRECTION IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, UH, AFTER TALKING WITH YOU LAST MONTH ABOUT THE BUSHES AND SECURITY AND SAFETY, IT MAKES SENSE NOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE IN THE INTERIOR PRIOR TO THAT REALLY WASN'T EXPLAINED. BUT AS A COMPROMISE, A GIVE AND TAKE, IF WE CAN INCREASE THE CALIPER SIZE OF THE TREES, THEN WE'RE STILL GETTING GREEN WITHOUT COMPROMISING SAFETY SECURITY. DO YOU HAVE A, A SECURITY REVIEW? DO YOU HAVE A SECURITY PLAN THAT YOU REVIEW IN TANDEM WITH THIS? THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE JUST A QUESTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. QUESTIONS ARE, SO WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO THE CONCERN IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE DUE TO THE TREES. IS THERE A SECURITY PLAN THAT YOU HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR SECURITY DEPARTMENT REVIEWS TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY WE PLACE A TREE HERE. DOES THAT BLOCK VISIBILITY FROM THIS STANDPOINT OR SO ON SO FORTH? NO. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PARTICULAR PLAN IN PLACE. IT'S A PRACTICE. IT'S A, UH, BEST PRACTICE THAT WE USE WHEN WE CONSIDER WHAT OUR, OUR PARKING SPACES AND CAMPUSES ARE GONNA BE. LIKE. WE, WE HAVE REVIEW WITH OUR SAFETY OFFICERS. WE D DETERMINE WHERE THE CAMERAS WILL BE ON THE, ON THE BUILDING ON UH, LIGHT STRUCTURES OR WHAT HAVE YOU IN THE PARKING LOT TO DISCUSS TO MAKE SURE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ADEQUATE LINE OF SIGHT, BUT TO SAY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRITTEN IN PLACE, I DON'T THINK SO. BUT THERE IS DISCUSSION. SO WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THE COMPANY I WORK FOR, WE PROVIDE AN ACTUAL SECURITY PLAN THAT SHOWS EVERY VIEW ANGLE OF EVERY CAMERA AND WE COMPARE THAT TO OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS, DO YOU KNOW IF THESE PLACED TREES EVEN COMPLY OR ADEQUATELY PLACED BASED OFF YOUR SECURITY CAMERAS TODAY? WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED THAT. UH, OKAY. THAT, THAT, THAT VIEW. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO NOW. YEAH. UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT PROCESS, UH, UH, FOR WITH OUR, UH, IT CONSULTANTS. THEY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR US AND THOSE VIEWS, BUT WE HAVE NOT PLANNED ONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SCOPE. AND IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT'S NOT DICTATING THE TREE PLACEMENT PER SE. IT'S A TOTAL AMOUNT. IT'S A TOTAL. AND IF IT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS, THE U STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS TREE COULD MOVE THERE. IF THEY CAN GIVE US A REASON OKAY. OF, HEY, WE'VE SINCE REVIEWED THAT AND WE NEED TO MOVE THAT TREE AS LONG AS IT'S STILL STAYING WITHIN THAT 30% AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A TREE AND A GOOD REASON FOR WHY WE CAN ALWAYS PUT THAT INTO THE U MY TURN . OKAY. SO I'M GONNA GO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY CUZ Y'ALL ALL TALKED ABOUT THE TREES AND I LOVE Y'ALL FOR THAT. UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE ALONG CHRIS KELLY. THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NOT A, THE, UM, FENCE STOPS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL. THERE'S NOT A FENCE ALL THE WAY TO 79, CORRECT. DOWN CHRIS KELLY. OH, IF IT'S ON CHRIS KELLY OR IS THERE, THERE IS A FENCE ALONG THE, UH, [01:35:01] BETWEEN CHRIS KELLY AND THE CAMPUS PARKING AREA, UH, UP TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE. RIGHT? THE FRONT ENTRANCE. YEAH. SO MY CONCERN IS I HAVE SEEN SOME PEOPLE GET A LITTLE TESTY DURING EVENTS AND POPPING CURBS AND JUMPING AND I'M, I'M AFRAID WITH US EXPANDING ALL THAT PARKING ALONG CHRIS KELLY AND THERE NOT BEING A FENCE THERE THAT SOMEONE COULD GET A LITTLE TESTY AND TRY TO JUMP THAT CURB HIT A TREE. CAUSE SOME DAN, YOU KNOW, COULD DO ANY. AND SO HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT FENCING OFF THAT ENTIRE, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT PARKING LOT THERE, FENCING OFF THAT ENTIRE SPACE JUST TO KIND OF PREVENT CURB JUMPING IN LIEU OF THE SHRUBS. WE COULD DO AN AMER STAR FENCE TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF A SCREENING. MM-HMM. , I MEAN THE STANDARD THOUGH IS A ROD IRON AT THE DISTRICT FOR THAT CAMPUS. IS IT? MM-HMM. . SO IT'S GONNA BE TRANSPARENT. I'M JUST, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT SOMEONE TRYING TO JUMP THAT CURB AND WELL THERE IS A, A DITCH OF, UH, THAT IS RUNS ALONG THAT WE, UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS WHO DRIVE A LOT OF BIG TRUCKS WHO WANNA TRY TO BEAT THOSE THINGS, IS KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOK, LOOK AT THE FRONT OF SONIC. UH, YEAH. WELL THE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THE TREES THERE THAT ARE GONNA BE ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THAT SPACE WOULD ACT AS A DETERRENT. WHAT'S THEIR SPACE? YEAH. I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE IS YOU'RE, SINCE YOU'RE REDUCING YOUR TREE COUNT, YOU HAVE QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH TREE. MM-HMM. AND WHAT'S THE ING IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD? CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TREES EVERY FOUR TO FIVE PARKING SPOTS, PARKING SPOTS ABOUT NINE FEET. AND IF YOU CAN FIT FOUR TO FIVE CARS IN BETWEEN THERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE FIT A VEHICLE THROUGH THERE. AND I CAN JUST SEE, WELL THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO MONITOR. AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN ALREADY TO, SO IT'S JUST A THOUGHT PROCESS TO, TO, I'M JUST, THAT'S MY BIGGEST WORRY IS IS THAT RIGHT THERE. UM, IF I'M PARKED ON THAT ROAD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS KID COMES OUT AND A BIG TRUCK AND HITS MY LITTLE CAR SURE. CUZ HE DID NOT WANNA WAIT IN LINE. I LOVE OUR TEENAGERS AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE SPACES IN THE FRONT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CAMPUS WOULD BE DESIGNATED AS, UH, STUDENT PARKING. OUR STUDENT PARKING HAS, UH, HISTORICALLY BEEN ON THE EAST SIDE. RIGHT. UH, WE HAVE PLANS ON INSTALLING, UH, GUARD SHACKS, SO TO SPEAK, TO MONITOR STUDENTS IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT TO HAVE A MORE CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, UH, FOR OUR STUDENT DRIVERS AND TO, UH, CONTROL THEIR IN, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE AS MUCH STUDENT PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE CAMPUS AS WE WOULD ANTICIPATE AT THIS POINT DURING SCHOOL HOURS. CORRECT. BUT, BUT WHAT ABOUT EVENTS? YEAH. IS MORE WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. AND I'M NOT EVEN JUST TALKING ABOUT STUDENTS. I MEAN, I KNOW PARENTS WHO GET A LITTLE TESTY AND DON'T WANNA WAIT IN THAT LONG LINE BECAUSE THEIR KID MADE THEM MAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY JUST WANNA GET HOME. SURE. UM, I GOT A FOUR BY FOUR. RIGHT. I GOT A FOUR BY FOUR. I CAN JUMP THAT CUR. I MEAN, I DRIVE A JEEP, I COULD GET OVER, I COULD TAKE IT AND DO IT. NO PROBLEM. SO YOU ALSO HAVE ALL THOSE HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE FACING CHRIS KELLY MM-HMM. . AND THE POINT OF SHRUBS IS TO PROVIDE SCREENING AND MM-HMM. , I CAN UNDERSTAND, I STILL CAN'T GET A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD ON THE SHRUBS INTERNALLY, BUT ALONG CHRIS KELLY, I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE SECURITY WISE PROVIDING SCREENING, SHRUB SCREENING ALONG CHRIS KELLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THOSE CARS ADDED, ADDED PARKS WITH ALL OF THOSE HEADLIGHTS SHINING STRAIGHT INTO CHRIS KELLY MM-HMM. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS HAD A BUFFER, BUT MINUS THE, THE TEACHER PARKING. BUT THAT'S USUALLY DURING THE DAY. I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE THE EVENTS, BUT, UM, AND IT, IT DOES, IT DOES CAUSE A PROBLEM. YOU'RE RIGHT. WITH THE HEADLIGHTS AND STUFF, WHEN THEY TURN THEIR LIGHTS ON, IF YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT THERE, IT, IT BLINDS YOU. UM, AND I CAN SEE IT CAUSING AN ISSUE WITH PEDESTRIANS WALKING AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST, WELL THAT'S MY LITTLE, I NO, I GET IT. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. MAY HAVE A NAIVE QUESTION HERE WAS WHY CAN'T YOU ADD MORE DRIVEWAYS? I MEAN, ON THE, ON THE UH, EAST SIDE YOU'VE GOT TWO POINTS OF EGRESS, BUT ON THE WEST SIDE THERE'S REALLY JUST ONE AND YOU HAVE MORE PARKING. I DON'T BELIEVE TECHO WOULD ALLOW IT. OKAY. THAT'D THE X NUMBER OF FEET, LINEAR FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION. UNDERSTOOD. IT WAS NAIVE. QUESTION . IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, WE COULD MOVE IT SLIGHTLY CLOSER, BUT WE COULDN'T NECESSARILY CREATE THE SEPARATION WE REALLY WANT TO. UNDERSTOOD. I HEAR THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IT'S A TEXT DOT REGULATION. WE CAN'T REGULATION. [01:40:03] I'M JUST THINKING, I MEAN, WHEN THE MEDIAN WAS PUT IN IS WHEN HUO CHANGED FROM BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND COME OUT OF THAT MAIN ENTRANCE BOTH WAYS. YEAH. AND SO AT THAT POINT, ALL THE PART, ALL THE TRAFFIC WAS WHICH INTEREST ENTRANCE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE MAIN, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OFF THE FRONT. YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT AND RIGHT. OH RIGHT. MEDIA BOUND, JUST RIGHT HIM RIGHT OUT MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . I MEAN, I DON'T MIND THAT. IT'S ONLY A RIDE OUT. TRUST ME. YEAH. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I ALMOST GOT T-BONED WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL THERE, BUT, UM, I JUST, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT LONG STRETCH RIGHT THERE OF THE NEW POTENTIAL PARKING. I LIKE IT. BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE KURT, I A QUESTION FOR YOU. MM-HMM. , HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU, OKAY. SO THE HOUSE BILL, HAVE YOU HEARD THE ARGUMENT OF AESTHETIC METHOD BEING CONSIDERED ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION? I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GRABBING, GRASPING FOR STRAWS. I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD TAKE THE ARGUMENT TO ANOTHER CITY AND GET OUT OF ART ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION. I DON'T THINK I'VE USED HOUSE BILL PLENTY OF TIMES, BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT FOR ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION. I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD ANY PROJECTS LATELY WHERE I'VE HAD TO GO AND DEFEND ARTICULATION. OKAY. UH, I MEAN THE LAST ONES THAT I, I'D SAY I HAD TO DO WAS IN MUELLER. UM, WHICH HAD ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR ARTICULATION IN THAT, IN THEIR, I GUESS THEIR PUT THAT THEY HAD. UM, AND YOU HAD TO GO BEFORE THEIR BOARD BEFORE TO GET IT APPROVED. UM, NONE OF THE SCHOOLS I'VE WORKED WITH, WE'VE EVER HAD TO DEFEND THAT. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T TAKE THIS OFFENSE TO WHAT UH, GARRETT HAS IN THERE. I KNOW LUGER'S GONNA DO THEIR BEST AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A FLAT FACADE. MM-HMM. . SO, OKAY. WE HAVE HAD THAT PUSHBACK AS A STAFF AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE IBC THAT WE HAVE TO STAND OUT REALLY. OKAY. WE HAVE, BUT AGAIN, I MEAN IT'S USUALLY CUZ WE HAVE A HUNDRED OR 200 FOOT DISTANCE, BUT TYPICALLY YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH BUILDING MOVEMENT THAT IT'S OKAY. OKAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ASKS TONIGHT. UM, I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE'S NO SHRUBS AT ALL. UM, I CAN SORT OF GET ON BOARD WITH SECURITY. UM, BUT MY CONCERN AND, AND WHAT SCARES ME IS, IS THE REDUCTION REALLY SECURITY OR IS IT COST DRIVEN? UM, AND THEN THAT'S JUST YOUR, YOU'RE OUT. WHAT SCARES ME IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE BOX, OPENING THAT UP WITHOUT A TCO AND THEN THAT GETS DENIED. UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT THERE TONIGHT, THERE'S NO LIGHTS ON. IT'S DARK, THERE'S NO LIGHTS ON IN FRONT OF THE STADIUM. SO I KNOW THERE'S SAFETY, YOU KNOW, PUSHING SAFETY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S NOT PRIORITY. UM, UH, CHAIR, I'M OKAY WITH AN INCREASE IN THE CALIBER INCHES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. SO PER THE, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PROCEDURES THAT THEY HAD TO FOLLOW. WAS THERE A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING ON THIS HELD WITH THE CITY? UM, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER. OKAY. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF OUR PACKET, UH, OUR COMPLETENESS CHECK FOR THESE, LET ME GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. AS FAR AS REDUCING THE PARKS, I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THAT EITHER. I KNOW CURRENTLY WE'RE HAVING MAJOR ISSUES WITH PEOPLE PARKING, STUDENTS PARKING, UH, WITHIN COUNTRY ESTATES, UH, THERE'S BEEN POSTS ON FACEBOOK, UH, FROM PEOPLE PARKING ON CITY STREETS CUZ THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING. UM, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL COME FOR THESE EVENTS. UH, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO PLACE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO MEET THE ADDITIONAL 31. UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, PLEASE. SO YOU'RE ASKING DID WE IN INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SPACES BY 31 DESPITE HAVING SIX, SEVERAL HUNDRED ADDITIONAL SHUTTLE SPACES TO COME IN FOR AN EVENT AND, AND YOU JUST ARGUED THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE WEST SIDE, AND YOU WANT US TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN IS NOT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING? MY CONCERN IS THERE'S NO SCREENING IS FOR THE, THE HEADLIGHTS. OKAY. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH PARKING. I THINK THAT AS WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE EVENTS, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME BOAT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING. AND SO I'D RATHER CAPTURE THE ADDITIONAL 31 PARKS TODAY THAN LATER. [01:45:05] AND THAT'S MY OPINION. IS THERE A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS SITE ALREADY DEVELOPED? NOT GREAT TO DETAIL YET. UM, WE ARE JUST NOW WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT ON POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE BOND PACKAGES RELATED TO HOW ADDITIONAL PROGRAM COULD BE ADDED TO THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. I MEAN, WE KNOW, WE KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE A SIX A GYMNASIUM THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INCREASED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. CORRECT. SO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE, THE LOGICAL LOCATION IS EITHER YOU GETTING RID OF THE PRACTICE FIELD AND PRESENTED OR YOU'RE BUILDING IT IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING GYMNASIUMS, WHICH THEN TAKES OUT ALL THAT PARKING. AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, OFF OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT PARKING IS MM-HMM. , DO YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT'S GOING TO REDUCE PARKING IN THE FUTURE FOR THESE ADDITIONAL FACILITIES THAT THE DISTRICT DEFINITELY NEEDS? NEEDS. AND DO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT NOW BEFORE WE'RE MAKING APPROVAL TO REDUCE BELOW WHAT THE UDC SAYS AND THEN FIND OUT IN A FEW YEARS YOU'RE GONNA ADD IN A BRAND NEW COMPETITION GYM AND THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING GYM'S GONNA BE GONE. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A CONCRETE DISCUSSION. THERE ARE SCENARIOS THAT WOULD, UH, PLACE BUILDINGS AND SITUATIONS THAT WOULD PRODUCE PARKING. RIGHT. AND I THINK YOUR SKETCH ON THE NEXT PAGE EVEN SHOWED THAT LOCATION. THAT'S VKS. I WANNA SAY YOU HAD ONE THAT SHOWED IT BEING IN FRONT OF THE POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION IN FRONT OF THE COMPETITION, JIM, THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS, THAT IS A ROUGH, VERY ROUGH CONVERSATION OF WHERE THAT COULD GO. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GUARANTEED TO GO IN THAT LOCATION. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF SENSE IN PUTTING IT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED. OKAY. UM, SO THEN OFF OF COMMISSIONER MEYER'S COMMENTS ABOUT PARKING. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES ON SITE TO THE NORTH OF THE STADIUM FOR PARKING THAT COULD BE EXPANDED TO ENCAPSULATE AT LEAST THOSE 31 SPOTS, IF NOT POTENTIALLY EXPAND LARGER IN THE FUTURE? THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER AND ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE DO RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE EXPANDING IN THE FUTURE OF THIS CAMPUS AND REDUCING NUMBER OF PARKING POINTS AT THAT POINT TO WHERE WE FALL BACK BELOW THE 2000, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE-LITIGATE THIS QUESTION IN THE, UH, NEXT PACKAGE. ARE WE NOT SURE. WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR IT. SO IF WE APPROVED REDUCING, AND I'M TALKING TO COMMISSIONER MEYER BELOW THE 30, THE 31 SPOTS BELOW WHAT IT IS THERE, WE KNOW THE DISTRICT HAS, UM, THEIR OWN BUS SERVICE. IS THERE A WAY TO REQUIRE AS PART OF THIS, THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF WRITTEN AGREEMENT OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE BUS SERVICES TO ADDRESS THE CAPACITY BEING BELOW THE UDC? I THINK YOU COULD DO IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. OKAY. I KNOW THAT IT WAS KIND OF EXPLAINED WITHIN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT THEY WILL, SO I THINK IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO IT, THEN CERTAINLY YOU COULD CONDITION THAT CUZ THEY'LL BE USING THEIR PARKING KNI, DEAN JOHNSON. AND THEN THEY SHOWED HOW THE AREA WITH ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS THAT THEY CAN BUS FROM, AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS MY THOUGHT OF IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE A COMPETITION GYM. WE DON'T, WE LOSE, UM, UH, 150 SPOTS. WE'RE NOT GONNA HIT THE 2000 AT THAT POINT. YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THE SAME THING. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHUTTLE SOMEWHERE. UM, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THAT? WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF SOMETHING THAT'S WRITTEN DOWN IN, IN PART OF THIS, THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IF THEY'RE GONNA GET REDUCTION IN PARKING BELOW THE UDC REQUIREMENTS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WITH THIS ILA THAT WE COULD JUST CONDITION IT. BUT WHEN WE'RE GOING FORWARD, THE NEXT ILA THAT WOULD THEN BE THEN, UM, ISD AND COUNCIL APPROVED AND WE'RE AMENDING IT. THAT'D BE SOMETHING, THAT'D BE ONE OF THOSE DETAILS THAT WE START TO WORK OUT. AND I REALLY THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF THE AMENDED ILA THAT'S UPCOMING IS TO REALLY IRON OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS. SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT? WHAT DO WE NOT WANT? SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH GRAY AREA SO WE CAN SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND KIND OF GIVE OUT THE FORMULA AND THEN WE MOVE AHEAD. BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S THOSE CONCERNS, I'M TAKING NOTES. SO I KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK OUT IN THE ILA. OKAY. ONCE YOU HIT THIS NUMBER OR THIS THRESHOLD, IT'S A BUSING AND THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO SEE. MM-HMM. . SO DOES THE SHUTTLING OR THE BUSING NOT HAVE TO OCCUR IF THE 31 PARKS ARE ADDED OR IS THAT STILL IN? WE, WE OFFER A SHUTTLE SERVICE TO HELP ALLEVIATE, UH, OVERCROWDING. WE'RE, AND WHEN WE EXPERIENCE THIS, UH, POTENTIAL FOR OVERCROWDING AND TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, IT HAPPENS ABOUT FIVE TIMES A YEAR. [01:50:01] WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE TO SIX HOME FOOTBALL GAMES OF MAGNITUDE. UH, AND YOUR GRADUATION, UH, THOSE ARE YOUR SIX TO SEVEN EVENTS. THEY'RE GONNA CARRY OUR HEAVIEST, UH, ATTENDANCE LOADS. AND WHENEVER WE FORECAST THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR US TO HAVE PROBLEMS, UH, WE MOBILIZE AND WE TALK TO OUR TRANSPORTATION PART, UH, DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE DRIVERS AVAILABLE, UH, TO BE ON CALL, UH, TO OPERATE THOSE SHUTTLES. AND, UH, WE, UM, GET THOSE QUEUED UP, UH, IN, IN, IN PREPARATION FOR THAT EVENT. UH, WE DID THE SAME, UH, WHEN THE, UH, CONCERT EVENT WAS GOING ON, UH, DOWN, UM, CO FEST COKE FEST. OKAY. WE, WE MOBILIZED OUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEPART TO HELP ASSIST WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE IT DID COINCIDE WITH THE A FOOTBALL GAME. AND SO WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, OUR PATRONS WERE GONNA GET TO AND FROM THE STADIUM IN A SAFE MANNER AND TO TRY TO HELP REDUCE AS MUCH, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE GIVEN, UH, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT IN INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS. UH, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY MINDFUL OF AND THAT WE'RE WILLING AND READY TO DO. UH, AND WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM IN OUR, UH, INCIDENT ACTION COMMAND PLANS TO, TO DO THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN IF THEY'RE PROVIDED, THE SHUTTING WILL STILL OCCUR? ABSOLUTELY. YES. OUR, OUR SHUTTLING IS THERE AS A, AS A MEANS TO MEET REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT THE CITY REQUESTS, UH, AND, AND TO MAKE SURE PATRONS GET TO AND FROM THE GAME SAFELY. I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE STADIUM CAN HOLD WHAT, 5,010? 10,000 AND WE HAVE 2000 SPOTS. IT'S GONNA NEED A SHUTTLE SERVICE. WELL, NOT 2000 REDUCING IT MM-HMM. BY 31. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK WE NEED EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPOT. WE ABSOLUTELY CAN. SO EVEN JUST BY MEETING THE UDC. YEAH. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S STILL A FIFTH OF WHAT POTENTIAL PARKING COULD IF EVERY SINGLE PERSON DROVE SEPARATE. YEAH. AND FURTHERMORE, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 1600 OR SO BETWEEN THIS AND NA JOHNSON THAT THIS DISTRICT IS SUCCESSFULLY USING ON GAME DAYS, UH, USING THAT SHUTTLE SERVICE AS WELL, I SAY. RIGHT. AND JUST SIMPLE MATH, IF IT'S 10,000, THAT MEANS THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE PER CAR. YEAH. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. . AND WE'RE WANTING THIS TO EVENTUALLY BECOME A STADIUM THAT WE WANNA HAVE A LOT OF PLAYOFF GAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IS THE SHUTTLE SERVICE GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE EVENTS ALSO? YES, MA'AM. SEVEN EVENTS GO TO NINE TO 10. 10 TO 11. DID YOU GUYS HAVE TO USE THE SHUTTLE FOR THE PLAYOFF GAMES YOU JUST HAD? WE HAVEN'T. WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SEVEN PLAYOFF GAMES, UH, THIS WITHIN THE PAST THREE WEEKS. UH, AND WE HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED A NEED FOR THAT. WE'VE BEEN READY IF, IF NEEDED, BUT, UH, WE HAVEN'T NEEDED THEM. HOW BIG WERE THOSE PLAYOFF GAME? UH, LIKE ASS ATTENDANCE. TWO ASS TWO, THREE ASS. WE'VE HAD SOME FOUR ASS FIVE A'S AND SOME SIX A'S OKAY. A MONTH. THEY WERE GRASS ACTIVE. COMMISSIONER CREW. KURT'S QUESTION ABOUT THERE BEING A MASTER PLAN AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER WAS NO. UH, A MASTER PLAN FOR THE THE RENOVATIONS. YES, SIR. SITE IN GENERAL. WE HAVE ONE, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT FUNDED. SO IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF US TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT. BUT HAVE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDING ON A COMPETITION GYM? YES. WILL IT IMPACT SOME OF THE PARKING? YES. WELL, WITHOUT GOING INTO THE MINUTIA, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT A MASTER PLAN FOR THAT SITE? I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN, I LOVE ALL THE QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING AND A LOT OF THIS IS OUTSIDE OF MY EXPERIENCE, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL REALLY GOOD POINTS AND GOOD QUESTIONS AND I LIKE THAT. CAUSE IT MAKES ALL MAKES SENSE. BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN A MASTER PLAN? UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT IS. IS THAT SOMETHING WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR IS IT TAKING LONGER? BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE TO, TO ME THAT SEEM TO ME WOULD BE BETTER, NOT BETTER, BUT WOULD, UH, COULD BE ADDRESSED IN A FORMAL MASTER PLAN FOR THAT SITE. IS THAT AGAIN, IS THAT ME BEING NAIVE HERE? I I FEEL LIKE IF WE DID A MASTER PLAN, IT WOULD CHANGE EVERY MM-HMM. SIX WEEKS. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS A PART OF THE BOND, UM, COMMITTEE THAT, THAT MR WELL, WELL WILL BE, UH, AND THE TEAM PUT TOGETHER. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I LEARNED, UM, DURING THAT SEVEN WEEKS OF BEING A PART OF THAT, UM, THAT I HAD NO IDEA. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE MASTER PLANS, BUT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THEM. UM, BUT I THINK CAN US BRINGING QUESTIONS TO Y'ALL CAN HELP WITH NOT ONLY THIS PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE, THE PIPELINE THAT THERE, THERE ARE. AND, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, [01:55:01] UH, I CAN'T SPEAK HOLISTICALLY ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE PRIOR TO MY COMING INTO THIS POSITION. UM, I CAME IN AT THE LATER PARTS OF THE COMPLETION OF THE STADIUM THAT'S BEEN IN QUESTION. SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT TOOK PLACE OR DIDN'T TAKE PLACE. WHAT I CAN ASSURE YOU NOW THAT AS A DISTRICT, WE WANT TO BE, UH, COMPLIANT. WE WANT TO BE, UH, GOOD STEWARDS AND PARTNERS WITH THE CITY MOVING FORWARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HIT 17,000 STUDENTS AND ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS LOAD ON OUR, ON OUR STREETS, ON OUR FACILITIES, ON OUR PLANS. AND SO WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. AND SO, UM, IF THERE, IF THERE WERE EVER, EVER ANY THOUGHTS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT APPROVAL, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO REASSURE YOU THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. UM, EVERY, EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS CREATES A DELAY IN OUR, OUR FINISH LINE AND THAT IMPACTS KIDS. AND SO RIGHT NOW, THESE PROJECTS ARE SCHEDULED TO FINISH AT A CERTAIN DAY THAT WOULD MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF LEARNING AND STUDENT LEARNING IN THE BUILDING. SO IF, IF YOU REQUIRE US TO GO BACK AND ADD 31 SPACES, WE'LL DO IT. WE, WE'LL DO IT. IF, IF IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE COST ON OUR DISTRICT SIDE AND THE TAXPAYERS, WE'LL DO IT TO MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS. WE WILL, WE WANT BE GOOD STEWARDS AND WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS GETTING, GETTING APPROVAL IN IS IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER POSSIBLE SO WE CAN, WE CAN MEET THE DEADLINE BECAUSE IT IMPACTS STUDENT LEARNING AND, AND DISPLACING KIDS IN THE BUILDING AND, UH, UH, HAVING ACCESS TO THESE SPACES. SO, UM, I I WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS. UH, I KNOW WE HAVE A CONVERSATION COMING UP IN JANUARY TO DISCUSS THE ILA AND TO REVAMP IT AND TO RESHAPE IT. AND I, I'M HOPING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN, UH, A MANNER OF, UH, COLLEGIALITY AND PROFESSIONALISM AND, AND BEING GOOD STEWARDS BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, UH, SAME TAXPAYERS AND THE SAME STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE WANNA DO THE VERY BEST FOR THEM. UH, SO WHILE I WASN'T A PART OF WHAT HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DISTRICT ON THAT. WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, ARE ARE GOOD REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY OF HUDDLE, NOT JUST OUR IS D AND NOT JUST YOU AS YOUR OWN ENTITY. SO I CAN ASSURE YOU, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO, UH, YOU WANT US TO, TO VISIT, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT CURRENT PARKING LOT, UH, ALONG FRONT STREET WHERE WE WOULD ADD SOME NO'S IN PARKING THAT WOULD FACE FRONT, FRONT STREET, UH, IF NECESSARY, UH, TO MEET THAT. BUT BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE MAN, WE'RE 16 OR 31 SPACES AWAY FROM THE REQUIREMENT AND ARE, HAVE THE CAPACITY TO RUN SHUTTLES, UH, THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE HUNDREDS OF, UH, VISITORS AND NOT JUST 31. WE FELT LIKE WE, WE WOULD PRESENT THIS AND, AND THAT THE SHUTTLE SERVICE WOULD MEET ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND WE CAN ADD THEM IN. AND ACTUALLY, YOU JUST TOUCHED ON A QUESTION I HAD. UH, IF THE HANGUP IS 31 SPACES, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD ADD 31 SPACES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE EAST PARKING LOT FACING FRONT FAIRLY EASILY. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A FREE YES. BUT, BUT FAIRLY EASILY ALSO COMES WITH A, A PRICE TAG. EXACTLY. UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PINCH POINT FOR US. WE'RE ON A BUDGET AND WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR IN 2019, WE CAN'T BUY THAT WITH THIS BUDGET ANYMORE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR PLANNING AS WE'VE HAD TO. AND SO AGAIN, WE WANNA BE GOOD STEWARDS AND WE WANNA SPEND EVERY AMOUNT, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE CAN ON STUDENT LEARNING INSIDE THE BUILDING. BUT IF, IF WE'RE REQUIRED TO SPEND MORE OUTSIDE, THEN THAT, THAT BECOMES THE, THE PINCH POINT. RIGHT. AND I'M SAYING IF THE, IF THE LINCHPIN OF THIS IS 31 SPACES, YOU'VE GOT SPACE TO DO 31 SPACES, CORRECT? FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC UTILITIES RUNNING THROUGH THERE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT I KNOW OF AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD PREVENT US. THERE ARE UTILITY LINES RUNNING. IF THERE IS A PE YOU COULD TYPICALLY PARK IN THEM TOO. YOU CAN PUT PARK SPACE ON. SO I'M GONNA GO THE OPPOSITE OF YOU IS OKAY. AND, AND TO BE, TO BE FAIR, RIGHT, LIKE WE THROW 31 SPOTS OVER ON THE VISITORS SIDE, IT IS NOT SERVING THE POPULATION THAT NEEDS IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING ON THE VISITORS SIDE OF THE STADIUM. THAT 31 SPOTS IS WASTED. THE 31 SPOTS WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE HOME SIDE. AND NOW WE'RE LANDLOCKED AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM. MY, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME, I, THOSE 31 SPOTS I DON'T CARE ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE VISITORS SIDE THAT'S NEVER USED. SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO ADD THE 31 SPOTS ON THE VISITORS SIDE. TO BE HONEST, I'D [02:00:01] RATHER USE THE MONEY FOR THAT AND PUT IN THE SHRUBS AROUND THE PERIMETER AND HAVE, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE HAVE HERE IN HU IS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE PARKS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACES. WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL SITE THAT IS BASICALLY BEAR OF TREES AND I UNDERSTAND SECURITY, BUT WE HAVE CAMERAS, WE HAVE SEPTE, WE CAN LOOK AT EVERYTHING. WE CAN USE ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN TO PROVIDE OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY. LET'S USE THE MONEY AND PUT TREES IN. I WOULD RATHER APPROVE THE SCREENING AND THE REDUCTION OF THE PARKING, BUT REALLY STICKING ON THE SHRUBS IF WE NEED TO BRING MORE GREEN SPACE BACK TO THE SITE. MY MY POINT WAS IF THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE IT TO BE REJECTED BECAUSE OF 31 PARKING SPACES, WE DO HAVE SPACE FOR IT. AND THE UDC DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE VISITOR OR HOME. NO, BUT IT MEET, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS, WE ALSO ARE INTERPRETING THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SCHOOL SITE. WE ALSO ARE COGNIZANT OF THAT. WE DON'T WANNA JUST PUT PARKING SPOTS ON THE, ON THE LOT JUST TO HAVE 'EM THERE WHEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE UTILIZED. AND THE VISITORS SIDE OF THE STADIUM AND THE BASEBALL AREA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE USED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE PARKING LOT THAT IS DOWN BY NADINE JOHNSON IS GREAT FOR DROPOFF FOR KIDS IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT IT IS RARELY USED FOR EVENTS UNTIL EVERYTHING ELSE IS OVERFLOWED. SO TO ME, ADDING ADDITIONAL SPOTS OVER THERE IS BENEFITING SEVEN TIMES A YEAR. I WOULD RATHER SEE THE MONEY SPENT ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. CUZ IF WE PUT MORE PARKING ON THE VISITOR'S SIDE, YOU CAN'T ACCESS HOMESIDE FROM VISITOR'S SIDE. SO THEY'RE WALKING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BASEBALL STADIUM TO GET TO THE HOMESIDE. OUR CHALLENGE WITH PARKING AT HOME EVENTS, OUR FOOTBALL GAMES IS ON THE HOME SIDE. YEAH. I WOULDN'T WANNA WASTE MONEY PUTTING MORE PARKING OVER THERE THAN, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE GRADUATION, THAT LOT ON THE EAST SIDE WAS PACKED, ABSOLUTELY PACKED. PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK WHERE THERE'S A PARKING SPACE AND RATHER USING A SHUTTLE, THEY'D RATHER BE CLOSER. YEP. I'D RATHER USE A SHUTTLE. I DON'T KNOW. MY NEIGHBORS WALK TO THE GAMES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC. SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THERE NEEDS TO BE SHRUBS. I'M ON THAT BOAT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IT ALONG CHRIS KELLY. YEAH. EVEN IF WE DON'T, EVEN IF WE DON'T DO A FENCE ALONG CHRIS KELLY, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAFETY ISSUES WITH SHRUBS, BUT OUT ON THE OUTSIDE PARAMETER, IS THERE AS BIG A SAFETY ISSUE PUTTING SHRUBS OUT THERE ALONG CHRIS KELLY IN THE PARKING LOT UP AGAINST CHRIS KELLY TO KIND OF BE ANOTHER MORE OF A BUFFER THAN JUST THE TREES. I WOULDN'T SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE A BIG, UH, SAFETY, UM, INHIBITOR OR, OR, OR OR FACTOR. UH, THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT SHRUBBERY IS WITHIN THE CONFINES WHERE STUDENT, UH, MOVEMENT TAKES PLACE. ABSOLUTELY. BUT IT, AND IF YOU'VE GOT SHORT SHRUBS OUT ALONG CHRIS KELLY THAT ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, PRETTY HIGH MAYBE YEAH, A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT, THEN I, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MAKE MY FENCE ISSUE BE NONEXISTENT. , IT'S A MINIMUM GALLON THAT THEY HAVE TO PLANT. AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. AND IT'S IN THERE, CHRIS KELLY, AND THEN AT, AT THE RAILROAD. BECAUSE HONESTLY, IF I'M AT A GAME AND I'M LOOKING UP THAT WAY, ALL YOU SEE IS BEARING GRASS ALL THE WAY UP AT, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SCOREBOARD AT LEAST WOULD GIVE US SOME CONTEXT. IT WOULD MAKE THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE, I'LL CALL IT HOMEY, OF HAVING SOME GREENERY BEHIND THERE, WHICH THAT AREA SPACE IS USED FOR WHAT DISCUS SHOT PUT AND THAT'S IT. YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT I WOULD ASK, I MEAN, IF WE PUT SHRUBS THERE AT THE TREE LINES AND AT THE UNION PACIFIC, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SOUND BARRIER ALSO A LITTLE BIT TO BUFFER A LITTLE BIT OF THE RAILROAD, WHICH WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET RID OF, BUT YEAH. WELL, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER, I I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ALONG CHRIS KELLY, BUT TO ASK TO GO UP ABOVE, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE RAILROAD, UM, RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THAT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW ARE WE GONNA WATER THOSE? YEAH. HOW ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN THOSE? AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING IN SHRUBS THAT KEEP DYING AND YOU'RE HAVING GONNA KEEP REPLACING THAT, THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE. AND I DON'T MEAN TO DOWNPLAY IT, I AGAIN, BUT ALL THE TREES ARE GONNA HAVE A IRRIGATION RING AROUND THE, THE IRRIGATION. AN IRRIGATION RING BECAUSE THE TREES THAT WE, THE, THE, THE SPECIES OF TREE THAT, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LINE OUT THERE FOR THE IRRIGATION. THE COST TO ADD HEADS TO GO TO SOME BUSHES IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S [02:05:01] AN IRRIGATION PLAN FOR THE, FOR FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE TREES. IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THEM WITH, UH, THE RINGS, UH, UNTIL THEY BECOME ESTABLISHED. COMMISSIONER MEYER, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING? I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING IN THE INNER LOCAL THAT REQUIRE IRRIGATION SPEAKS. I WONDER IF IT SPEAKS TO TIM IRRIGATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. SCENARIOS ARE VERY PLAUSIBLE FROM A DISTRICT STANDPOINT. SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING FROM AN IRRIGATION STANDPOINT OUT THERE. I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED OUT IN THE ILA. I'VE PASSED THAT OVER. THAT SAYS THAT IT WILL BE, I MEAN IF THERE ALREADY, IF THERE ISER IRRIGATION OUT THERE, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE. YEAH. IT SEEMS IRRIGATION WOULD BE REQUIRED. IRRIGATION, IRRIGATION SYSTEM BE OPERATING TO THE ILA IRRIGATION SYSTEM WILL HAVE A BRAIN OF FRUIT. SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR TERMINATE YOUR DEFINITION OF A WATER ING AROUND A TREE IS. TO ME, THAT'S A LOOP OF DRIP IRRIGATION AROUND THE TREE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE BAGS THAT ARE FILLED WITH WATER AND THAT EXIST AROUND THE TREE. AND OVER TIME THEY DO DRIP IRRIGATE UNTIL THE BAG IS EMPTY AND WE GO BACK AND REFILL THE BAG. ATHLETIC AND HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TO HAVE IRRIGATION. THE WAY IT, IT SPEAKS TO, IT SAYS, YEAH, IT'S IRRIGATE PLAY AND ATHLETIC FIELDS AND HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS AS DETERMINED BY THE DISTRICT. THIS MAY NOT BE A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. OKAY. PRETTY LOW TRAFFIC. UNLESS, UNLESS YOU COUNT TRAINS. SO YOU'RE, BUT THE, THE SIDEWALK ALONG CHRIS KELLY IS A HIGH TRAFFIC. SO THAT WILL HAVE IRRIGATION OUT DOWN THAT BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND CHRIS KELLY. SO IT CAN HAVE TRUCKS THAT'S VERY LIKELY TO HAVE IRRIGATION. IT WOULD LIKELY BE TYING INTO IRRIGATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALREADY KIND OF PRESENT IN THAT GENERAL AREA. OKAY. MEAN THERE IS AN IRRIGATION LINE RUNNING. IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT, THAT INTERMEDIATE GREEN TREE LINE THAT RUNS EAST WEST, JUST NORTH OF THE STADIUM, THERE'S AN IRRIGATION LINE THAT RUNS THERE. PLAN WEST FROM THAT POINT. SO TO ACTUALLY FEED THE FIELDS THAT ARE THERE, ONE WE'RE KEEPING AND SLIGHTLY MOVING, THE OTHER ONE WE'RE GETTING RID OF, THOSE ARE IRRIGATED. SO THERE IS A SYSTEM OUT THERE, WHETHER IT IS ACTUALLY EXTENDED OUT TO 79, I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ON THE PLANS. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SINCE I LOOKED THOSE, WELL, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE CHRIS KELLY SIDE. SO IF WE CAN PUT SHRUBS, THAT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GET ACCESS TO THAN IT WOULD BE IN 71. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE ENTRANCE, THE, THE ENTRANCE IN FRONT OF THE PACK ALL THE WAY, IF NOT FURTHER DOWN. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE WHOLE, WHEREVER THERE'S NOT A FENCE LINE, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE PARKING GOING SOUTH THERE TOO, I WOULD SAY. SAY YEAH. YEAH. AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A FENCE, I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST SO ALONG THE PARKING LOT MM-HMM. ALONG THE PARKING LOT, I UNDERSTAND THAT PUTTING IT UP AGAINST THE FENCE CAN CAUSE AN ISSUE. BUT, UM, IF THERE'S NOT A FENCE ADDING IN SHRUBS, SO THE ISSUE I HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE A CALCULATION OF WHAT THE ACTUAL SURE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY'VE MITIGATED AND SAID ZERO OF. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S 3000 PLANTS. IF IT'S 500 PLANTS, WE DON'T HAVE A BASIS TO GO OFF OF TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PLANS. CAN WE BE, CAN WE JUST REQUIRE IT AS A PERIMETER SCREENING? UH, WE CAN DICTATE MAYBE SHRUB SIZE AND THEN YEAH. CAN YOU EITHER GO WITH THE UDC STANDARD, WHICH IS THREE GALLONS OR A TWO FOOT HEIGHT MINIMUM. OKAY. UM, AND THEN NUMBER WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST SO THAT WE CAN SAY AS FAR AS GET SIZE YEAH. SIZE AND A NUMBER OF JUST SAY NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE BASED ON THE UDC. AND, BUT WE WOULD NEED COMING TO REVIEW OR AT LEAST GOING TO COUNSEL, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE HOW MANY YOU THINK WOULD FIT OVER THERE. JUST BECAUSE IF WE JUST SAY PERIMETER, THAT COULD MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO ON. AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE THE MARRIOTT PROJECT THAT HAS A SCREENING. WE HAVE A TREE AND IS IT TWO SHRUBS ON EITHER ONE, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TREE? IS THAT WHAT WE HAD? UH, WE HAD, WE HAD TWO SHRUBS IN BETWEEN THE TREES AND THE TREES WERE SPACED 50 FEET APART IF, BUT THEY WERE, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO YEAH. USE THIS AS A, IF I COULD REFERENCE THE, THE LATEST APPROVAL, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, WAS FOR THE PARKING LOT PROJECT AT NINTH GRADE. AT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER. MM-HMM. , UH, WE DESIGNED AND PRESENTED, UH, A PARKING LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE NORTH OF THE, THE CURRENT PARKING LOT. AND, UH, TO ADD TREES AND LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT. AND THE SHRUBS WOULD, UH, FORM A PERIMETER AROUND THAT ENTIRE PARKING SPACE. AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, UH, WITH THIS, UM, COULD WE GET YOUR APPROVAL TO, TO IDENTIFY THAT WE WILL PUT SHRUBS ALONG THAT WEST SIDE OF THAT WESTERN, UH, PARKING LOT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THEY WOULD ALLOW FOR [02:10:01] THAT PERIMETER. I MEAN, I WONDER IF WE DO TWO PER PARKING SPACE FACING, SO SIX WAIT, , TWO PER, SO TWO PER PARKING SPACE, PARKING SPOTS, OR TWO PER NOT TOTAL PARKING SPACE. NO, PER PARKING SPACE FACING CHRIS KELLY. OKAY. CORRECT. A BUDDING CHRIS KELLY. YES. SO EACH PARKING SPACE WOULD GET TWO SHRUBS. YOU HAVE NINE FEET, YEAH. WIDTH MM-HMM. . SO ONE PER FOUR AND A HALF, FOUR AND HALF FEET. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A CONTINUOUS HEDGE AT THAT POINT. THAT'S RIGHT. SCREENING. YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THE SHRUBS IS TO CREATE A CONTINUOUS HEDGE BETWEEN THE TREES. UNDERSTOOD. OR RIGHT NEXT TO THE TREES. MM-HMM. , SORRY TO ASK DUMB QUESTIONS. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. UM, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH REGULATIONS YOU'VE, UH, ARE, ARE DIRECTIONS YOU HAVE PROVIDED FOR OTHER PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS? I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT WE'VE GIVEN REAL DIRECTION ON WAS THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, WHICH WE REQUIRED AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER TO HAVE THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS. AND I WOULD SAY IT'S CASE BY CASE, AND IT DOESN'T AB BUT A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED ROAD SUCH AS CHRIS KELLY. MM-HMM. CURRENTLY DOES NOT. THAT IS CORRECT. AND I MEAN, LIKE YOU HAD IT AT, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AM I, AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THEN THAT BUSHES, SHRUBS ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE REDUCED TO ZERO? SEE, I, THAT'S WHERE I DISAGREE. I MEAN, YOU GET OVER TO FRONT STREET, THERE'S NOTHING, AND I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SAY AS MUCH AS WE'RE PUTTING OVER OR WOULD RECOMMEND ON CHRIS KELLY, BUT I'D SAY BETWEEN EACH TREE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST A SHRUB OR SOMETHING. BUT ALONG FRONT STREET IS NOT A PART OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTION SITE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY TOUCHING RIGHT NOW, THE PART THAT WE'RE TOUCHING IS WHAT'S INDICATED IN THAT THAT RED, BUT YOU'RE HAVING TO PUT TREES TO MITIGATE THE DEFICIENCY FROM THE STADIUM PROJECT. SO YOU'RE PUTTING ADDITIONAL TREES ACROSS THE SITE. I'M SAYING IT'S THE SAME THING AS WE'RE MITIGATING AN ISSUE OF, OKAY, WE COULD REQUIRE SHRUBS AROUND ALL THE PARKING SPOTS HERE, OR WE COULD HAVE YOU RELOCATE THEM ELSEWHERE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM ALL CLUSTERED AT ONE AREA. AND IN THE END, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY A RESIDENT A FEW MONTHS AGO, IS THAT, UM, WAS IT, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF IT WAS ON THE, ON THE STADIUM OR IF IT WAS ON THE NINTH GRADE CENTER, IS THAT HU IS LACKING OF GREEN SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FARMLAND AND PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS SET IN PLACE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BRINGING ADDITIONAL GREEN TREES, SHRUBS, LANDSCAPING, INTO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE NOT A BARREN COMMUNITY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT IS, YOU KNOW, IS ALWAYS, I'M NOT TRYING TO THINK OF CORRECT TERM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING AND BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPECTING THE WISHES OF ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THAT THEY WANT ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACES. THEY DON'T WANT A SITE THAT IS BARREN. AND SO WHEN WE GOT THE STADIUM, IT WAS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT THAT WE GOT THE SITE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LIMITING FACTORS AND THE BUDGET WAS WON AND IT WAS, OKAY, WELL WE CAN'T DO IT NOW, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUSH IT TO THE NEXT PROJECT. YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET ISSUES WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS NOW ANYWAYS, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN YOU'VE GOTTA CUT SQUARE FOOTAGE OUT OF THE BUILDING OR YOU REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HIT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, BUT THE LANDSCAPING IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS VERY EASILY CUT OUT OF PROJECT. AND THAT IS NOT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS WANT US TO DO. THEY WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE MAINTAINING THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR LANDSCAPING. AND SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS OF NOT MEETING THE UDC AND WE'RE GIVING YOU A CONCESSION OF 70%. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SET UP WITH THE, THE NINTH GRADE CENTER OF, HEY, THIS IS A BAR. WE THINK IT'S FAIR ENOUGH NOT HAVING TO DO THE FULL REQUIREMENT. WE'RE GONNA TAKE 70% OFF. YOU GOT 30%, BUT IT WAS 30% OF BOTH THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS. AND THIS ONE'S COMING IN AND SAYING, WE'RE TAKE 30% AND WE'RE DOING 0% OF THE SHRUBS. AND SO I STRUGGLE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'LL AGREE ON SAFETY. WE DON'T WANT THE SHRUBS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOTS. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE 'EM IN THE ISLANDS. TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT ON SCHOOL SITE. BUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE REDUCED IT TO ZERO AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CALCULATING THE 30% AND THEN REALLOCATING ON SITE BECAUSE WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SITE HERE THAT HAS PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE THAT CAN HAVE TREES, CAN HAVE SHRUBS. HOW DO WE PUT THOSE SOMEWHERE THAT'LL BE IMPACTFUL TO OUR COMMUNITY [02:15:01] AND HELP LIVEN UP THE SITE SO THAT IT'S NOT BARREN? SO KIND OF GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE NUMBERS, UM, THE REDUCTION IS 245 TREES. AND IT'S, UH, TWO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE UDC IT SHOULD BE TWO LARGE TREES AND FOUR SHRUBS. SO IF THEY'RE REDUCING IT BY 245 TREES, THAT'S 490 SHRUBS. IF WE WERE TO GO 30% ON THE SHRUBS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 150 SHRUBS. OKAY. SO IF WE IMPLEMENTED 150 SHRUBS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF OUR ZONES OF CONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD, IF YOU CAN GET 150 SHRUBS TO, HONESTLY, TO LIVEN UP THE CHRIS KELLY SIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, WE KNOW WE WANT IT TO LOOK GREAT. YOU KNOW, THE BACKSIDE I'LL, IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND ALONG EXISTING IRRIGATION LINES, I'D BE FINE WITH THAT. SO IF, SO ALONG CHRIS KELLY, WHICH IS THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT NEW PARKING, PARKING AREA MM-HMM. , UH, MAYBE EVEN WRAP THAT PARKING AREA BETWEEN THAT PARKING AREA AND THE, AND THE, AND THAT, THAT PRACTICE FIELD MM-HMM. IF, IF IT DOESN'T PRESENT A SECURITY SAFETY ISSUE. CORRECT. THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR WE WOULD WANT OR MISS WITH THE TREES THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT AREA THERE, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO ALLOW, UH, ACCESS FROM THE PARKING SPACE TO THE FIELD. RIGHT. WE DON'T WANNA BLOCK, RIGHT. UH, THE, THE MOVEMENT, UH, RIGHT. SO IF WE SPREAD SOME OUT, BUT WE DO WANNA RESTRICT ACCESS FROM THE PARKING SPACE TO CHRIS KELLY. TO CHRIS KELLY. YEAH. I I HAVE FULL FAITH IN 1619 AND BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND IMPLEMENT IT IN THEIR PLANS. I THINK IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO THE 30% REDUCTION IN, OR THE 70% REDUCTION IN TREES, 70% IN THE SHRUBS, WHICH GIVES US THE 150 SHRUBS PLUS WHATEVER THIS NUMBER IS FOR TREES AND LET THEM LOCATE WHERE IT'S BEST. I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE OTHER PROJECT WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO LOCATE ALL THE TREES TOGETHER AND THEY WERE JUST GONNA DIE OUT WHEN THEY HAD SO MUCH IN THERE. SO I UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT'S GONNA PUT IT IN A WISE SPOT. LET'S LET BRETT AND BRAD TAKE THEIR BIT AND PUT 'EM WHERE THEY KNOW IT NEEDS TO GO. COMMISSIONER SQUARE FIGURE, THERE'S 84 PARKS ALONG CHRIS KELLY. IT'D BE 168 SHRUBS IF WE DID THE TWO PER PARKING STALL. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE CLOSE TO THE ONE 50. RIGHT. UM, I WOULD PREFER THEM BE ON CHRIS KELLY TO BLOCK VISIBILITY FROM THE HEADLIGHTS. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THERE. BUT I ALSO LIKE TO PREFACE THAT THERE IS NO PRECEDENCE. IT'S CASE BY CASE, SITE BY SITE. SO WE GAVE 30%, WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE 30% ON THIS SITE JUST BECAUSE WE GAVE 30% ON THE OTHER SITE. MM-HMM. , IT'S ALL CASE BY CASE. THIS IS LITERALLY THE HEART OF HU I MEAN, THIS IS SMACK DAB YEAH. IN THE MIDDLE OF HUTTO. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S HUGE RE'S REDUCTION ON EVERYTHING, EVERY ASPECT. IT CAME IN WITH ZERO SHRUBS LIKE THAT. I, I, I CAN'T GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THAT, BUT I, I, I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE. THERE'S NO PRECEDENT CASE BY CASE. SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO SAY 170 SHRUBS, THAT'LL, THAT'LL GIVE TWO PER SPACE ALONG CHRIS KELLY, IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM. , IS THAT 68? IS THAT FROM THIS POINT? IT'S JUST FROM THE ADDITIONAL OKAY. PARKS 2 45. YEAH. FROM THE ADD THE NEW, THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE. RIGHT. YEAH. CAUSE MY BIGGEST THING WAS IS I WAS, IF YOU GO TO LIKE LOWE'S, THEY USE BUSHES AS A BUFFER. UM, ALONG, UH, ED SCHMIDT RIGHT THERE, SOME OF THEM GOT RIPPED OUT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED YET OR NOT, BUT, UM, YOU TAKE THIS, BUT THEY'VE HAD 'EM AS A BUFFER AND IT KIND OF HIDES THEIR MERCHANDISE, BUT IT ALSO JUST MAKES IT LOOK PRETTIER ALONG THAT ROAD. AND, AND IT'S A LIGHT DETERRENT AND IT'S, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE CAN GO ALL THE WAY FROM WHERE THE FENCE STARTS AS FAR DOWN AS POSSIBLE, CLEANLY, UM, AND SAFELY FOR THE EVERYBODY, THAT'S MY GOAL MORE THAN ANYTHING. WELL, LET'S, LET'S KIND OF HIT THIS POINT BY POINT THEN. MM-HMM. ON, ON THE PARKING. ARE WE OKAY WITH NOT NOT HAVING THE 31 AND AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT'S WHAT SHUTTLES WILL BE USED AS NEEDED. ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM. , PERSONALLY I AM, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN ABOUT IT. AND SO I FEEL WHEN THEY COME TO US WITH THE NEXT PROJECT MM-HMM. , THAT THEY WILL HAVE MORE ANSWERS FOR PARKING IF THEY DO NEED TO TAKE AWAY PARKING BECAUSE YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD HOW BIG OF A CONCERN IT IS. SO PERSONALLY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY. SO [02:20:01] ON THE PARKING, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THE REDUCTION, UH, OF 31 WITH THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL, CONDITION FOR APPROVAL THAT SHUTTLES WILL BE USED IF REQUIRED. 25. COOL. ALL RIGHT. UH, TREES. ARE WE GOOD WITH THE REDUCTION IN TREES? UH, I PERSONALLY LIKE REDUCTION IN TREES AND INCREASE IN CALIPER. CORRECT? I, I'M OKAY PERSONALLY IF WE DO THE REDUCTION OF 70% MM-HMM. , BUT AN INCREASE IN CPER INCH. OKAY. WELL AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN. THEY'RE AT THREE INCH CS INSTEAD INSTEAD OF TWO AND A HALF. TWO AND A HALF. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT INCREASING IT TO FOUR. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, I BELIEVE THE ILA INDICATES TWO AND A HALF INCH CS WE WERE PRESENTING THREE. AND THEN FOR THE 100 C INCHES THAT WE INHERITED FROM THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, WE HAD PLANNED FOR 33 TREES. BUT NOW I HEAR YOU SAYING, AND THAT WOULD MAKE, THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE BLUE TREES, RIGHT? THAT INSTEAD OF THREE INCHES, THEY WILL BE FOUR INCHES, WHICH WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD BE 25 4 INCH CALIBER TREES TO MEET THE 100 INCH CALIBER OF 33 3 INCH TREES. IT WOULD BE 25 4 INCH TREES, WHICH ARE GONNA BE MORE MATURE AND PROVIDE A BETTER APPEARANCE. I LIKE THAT IDEA. I'M GONNA SAY IT'S PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME PERIOD. CUZ WE'RE STILL, WE'RE TWO YEARS OUT OF THE STORM, WE LOST A LOT OF TREES. A LOT OF THE FARMS ARE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE TWO AND A HALF TO THREE WITH REPLACEMENTS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T, WHEN WE GET TO LARGER ONES, WE'RE THEN GONNA BE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO EVEN GET THEM? SO A MINIMUM OF THREE INCH SEEMS FAIR. NOW IF THEY CAN GO ABOVE THAT, GREAT. COULD WE DO PERIMETER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY FOUR INCH MORE MATURE TREES? THAT'S THE FACE OF, BUT THAT IS A LOT OF TREES. THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A HUGE REDUCTION. THAT IS TRUE. I MEAN, THINK, I MEAN WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM THE WORLD BY REDUCING THIS BY 70%, BUT THOSE TREES HAVE THE IRRIGATION. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD INCREASE THAT FOUR INCHES. SO THE BUT I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED. YOU WOULDN'T WANT THOSE TREES TO BE HIGHER. EACH DEVELOPER YOU'RE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD MY BRAIN, MY BRAIN'S NO, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE FINE. I'M SORRY, , BUT I WOULD SAY YOU'RE RIGHT. I WOULD, IT'S ENTRANCE OF HUDDLE. YES. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE. WE'RE GIVING THE WORLD ON THIS REDUCTION. WE DO FOUR INCH CALIPER ALONG CHRIS KELLY. THEY'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THE REST. RIGHT? THREE INCH MM-HMM. . RIGHT. THEY DO THE PERIMETER SHRUBS. I DON'T LIKE REDUCING PARKS, BUT GIVE AND GIVE, GIVE AND GET A LITTLE BIT. BUT SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THAT? FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY? THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT IS INCREASED TO FOUR INCH. EVERYTHING ELSE IS AS PROPOSED THREE INCH TO INCLUDE, TO INCLUDE THE KETCHUP TREES FROM THE STADIUM. THREE INCH FOR KETCHUP TREES. RIGHT. THE THREE INCH FOR THE KETCHUP TREES. SO COUNTING THE NUMBER OF TREES ON THAT CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD. UH, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 20 TREES CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN, IN THE, THE DIAGRAM. MM-HMM. AT THREE INCHES, AT 60 CALIBER INCHES. WE INCREASED TO FOUR INCH CALIBER TREES. PUTS US AT 15, UH, 15 TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY. I DON'T THINK IT'S A REDUCTION IN TREES. IT'S AN INCREASE OF 24 CALIBER INCHES FOR THOSE 20 TREES THAT ARE ALREADY PROPOSED. IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR. I DON'T THINK IT'S CPER INCHES TO C INCHES. THIS SOUNDS GOTTEN AWAY FROM INCREASING EACH OF THOSE TREES. I'M 16, 16 PERIMETER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY. UH, AND THEN THE DARKER GREEN ONES, THE DARKER GREEN ARE EXISTING. THAT'S AN EXISTING OKAY. I'M SORRY THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ONES MISTAKE. UH, MY MISTAKE. YOU'RE FINE. OKAY. SO THE 16 TREES WOULD GO FROM ALONG CHRIS KELLY, THAT OUR TWO BE PLANTED WOULD THEN WELL INCREASE FROM THREE TO FOUR, WOULD BE INCREASED FROM THREE TO FOUR. ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? ARE WE, OKAY? SO THEY, YOU'RE SAYING WE APPROVE THIS, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PLANT THE TREES AS SHOWN AS PROPOSED. SO IF WE INCREASE THIS REQUIREMENT OF FOUR INCHES, THEY COULD THEN JUST NOT PLANT ANY TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND NOT HAVE TO EVEN COMPLY WITH THE FOUR INCH CPER. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I I DON'T, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I HEARD IT. UH, WE, WELL I WE NEED TO HAVE IT MAYBE WRITTEN DOWN. 16 TREES ARE REQUIRED ALONG CHRIS KELLY FOR SCREENING AT FOUR INCH CPER. YES. I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THIS APPROVAL IS PROVIDING A REDUCTION. IT DOESN'T LOCK YOU INTO A LAYOUT. [02:25:01] SO YOU COULD REVISE YOUR PARKING LAYOUT, WHICH REVISES YOU TREE LAYOUT. RIGHT. WHICH THEN NOT SAYING THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT BASICALLY SOMEBODY COULD BE LIKE, OH, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE THESE OVER HERE, NOT PUT 'EM ALONG. CHRIS KELLY NOW WE DON'T HAVE TO DO FOUR INCH, WE CAN DO THREE INCH. WE STILL GOT THE ACCOUNT. YEAH. AND WE'RE NOT SAYING IT, BUT THAT IS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SPECIFIC AND IT'S LOCKED IN. I GET IT. I I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA OPERATE LIKE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK US TO PUT IN FOUR INCH CAS ALONG CHRIS KELLY, THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM ALONG. CHRIS KELLY, I'M NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA CIRCUMVENT A, A PRESENTATION WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE A, A JUSTIFICATION WHY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. I'M OKAY WITH SAYING 16 TREES PART OF THE HEDGE TO BE PLANTED ON CHRIS. CHRIS KELLY. AND THOSE TREES ARE FOUR INCHES. SO YOU GET ORANGE CALIBER. SO YOU GET TO MAKE THEM, IT'S PART NOT ALL ONE 60. SAY THAT AGAIN. IT'S PART OF THE SHRUBS. NOT ALL ONE 60 THAT YOU CALCULATED ON AT THE 30%. THE SHRUBS ARE JUST ALONG CHRIS KELLY. SO YEAH, WE RIGHT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GO POINT BY POINT WITH THE TREES. OKAY. SO IF, IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THE TREES, LET'S TALK SHRUBS. WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT. IM, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE. ESPECIALLY CUZ THERE'S ALREADY GONNA BE IRRIGATION IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM. . SO FOR THOSE, IT'S A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED YEP. STREET. YEAH. I HAVE MATURE TREES. YEP. ALONG CHRIS KELLY. YEAH. ER, SCHWAR. YES. I'M IN AGREEMENT. FOUR INCH ALONG CHRIS KELLY. 16. 16 TREES. YOU SAID THREE INCH REMAINING. HOW MANY REMAINING ON THE REST OF THE SIDE? THE REST, THE SITE WOULD BE THREE INCHES. SO WE, WE WOULD APPROVE THE, WE NEED A NUMBER WRITTEN THERE. WELL, WE WOULD APPROVE THE 30% REDUCTION. IT'S JUST, OR THE 70% REDUCTION RIGHT OUT OF THE 30%. 16 IS FOUR INCH, THE REST OF 'EM ARE THREE INCH. EXACTLY. SPECIFICALLY SCREENING LONG. YEAH. I'M WRITING IT DOWN TOO. WE'LL FIGURE THIS ONE OUT. NOT CONFUSING AT ALL. ANGEL, WE GET TO THE MOTION. JUST WAIT, , IT'S GONNA HAVE TO AND THEN I BET OUR STUFF DOESN'T EVEN JIVE RIGHT NOW. SHRUBS. ALL RIGHT. NOW SHRUBS. I AM, I AM GOING TO ASK, ARE WE OKAY WITH 170 SHRUBS ALONG BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND CHRIS KELLY AND FORGET THE REST. OR DO WE WANT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND PUTTING SOME SHRUBS ALONG ALONG THE, UH, BACKSIDE OF THE SCOREBOARD OR MINIMUM CHRIS KELLY, BUT BARE MINIMUM I'M THINKING CHRIS KELLY. CORRECT. I WOULD AGREE. OKAY. NOW DO WE WANT TO GO MORE THAN JUST ALONG CHRIS KELLY? SHOULD IT BE ALL STREET FACING PARKING STALLS? SO THEN YOU HIT FRONT STREET? UH, I, I WOULD ASK THAT WE WAIT AND, AND CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, FUTURE SCOPES OF WORK MAY IMPACT THAT. OKAY. I WOULD HATE TO YEAH. SPEND TIME AND MONEY AND IRRIGATION TREES FOR THAT IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND THEN HAVE TO RIP IT OUT AT, RIP IT OUT LATER. RIGHT. YEAH. I, I MEAN COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE AT GRADUATION SUCH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. THAT PARKING AREA, I THINK THE ENTRANCE NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND IMPROVED. THAT'S JUST ME. I'M NOT ON THE, ON THE SCHOOL BOARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. JUST GOING IN THERE AND, AND MAKING USE OF THE FACILITY. I SEE A NEED FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE AND I WOULD HATE TO PUT PLANTS IN TO RIP 'EM UP. AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE POINT THAT YOU MADE IS EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS IS THE FLAGSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY. PEOPLE COMING INTO HUDDLE ALONG HIGHWAY 79 AT THAT INTERSECTION, SEE THAT CAMPUS MM-HMM. THAT IS THE FLAGSHIP OF, OF THE COMMUNITY AS THEY CONTINUE DRIVING EASTWARD. SO WE WANT AS MUCH ATTENTION PLACED AT THAT SIDE, UH, TO, TO GIVE IT THE BEST FACADE POSSIBLE MM-HMM. IN OUR SCOPE OF WORK AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S THE EXTENT OF THIS PROJECT IN THE HIGH SCHOOL MODERNIZATION. KEEPING THAT IN MIND THAT THIS IS THE KEY PART. THIS IS A HISTORICAL FLAGSHIP OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF IT SO AS TO APPROVE AND, UH, AND TO UM, ENSURE THAT PARENTS AND STUDENTS OF, OF, UH, THE PARENTS OF STUDENTS THAT, THAT WILL ATTEND THIS HIGH SCHOOL TO THE NORTH WILL GET JUST AS MUCH ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTED WITH AND, AND AS WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THERE. SO IF, UM, IF WE IDENTIFIED 170 SHRUBS TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE CHRIS KELLY AND, UH, AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO WRAP AROUND A LITTLE BIT, UH, THAT WESTERN PARKING LOT, UH, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT. I MEAN, MOST DEFINITELY. HOW MANY DID YOU SAY WE NEEDED TO GO ALONG THERE? I THINK [02:30:01] IT'S 1 68. 1 68. YEAH. 1 68. SO ONE 70. SO IF WE SAY ONE 70 OR 1 75, THAT GIVES AN EXTRA FIVE TO SEVEN MM-HMM. POTENTIALLY, IF YOU WANTED TO WRAP IT AROUND, IF YOU FOUND ANOTHER PLACE THAT YOU THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX SHRUBS WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT. UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS AREA COULD BE A LANDSCAPE FEATURE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT THAT LITTLE DENSE POPULATION OF TREES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE TAKING AWAY SOME OF YOUR, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE TO DO AS MANY THREE CALIBER TREES. AND SO THAT LITTLE AREA, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT IN A FEW MORE SHRUBS. WE JUST DECIDED THAT WE WERE DOING THE SAME NUMBER OF THREE CALIBER INCHES TREES. DID WE? I THOUGHT WE WERE. IT'S ALL THE SAME TREES THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE FROM A QUANTITY STANDPOINT. WE'RE JUST INCREASING THE ONES ON CHRIS FOUR INCHES. THE NUMBER OF TREES WOULD BE THE SAME. OH. AS WHAT'S SHOWING. OKAY. I MIS I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE TREES RIGHT ALONG THAT PARKING LOT. YEAH. BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND CHRIS KELLY WOULD BE BIGGER. YEAH. SO THE TREE TREE COUNT WOULD STAY THE SAME. SO COMMISSIONER MEER, WERE YOU MAKING REFERENCE TO THAT UH, THE POND NORTHWEST CORNER? YES. THAT THAT CLUSTER OF THREE INCH TREES, THAT'S A CLUSTER OF THREE INCH TREES AND MAYBE ADD SOME SHRUBBERY THERE. YEAH. MAYBE ADD ADDITIONAL SHRUBBERY SOMETHING KIND. SOMETHING KIND OF LIKE HOW THEY HAVE IT ON ONE 30 S AT EACH, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSE IT'S A FOCAL AT THE INTERSECTION. RIGHT. SOMETHING NICE LOOKING. NICE PLACE FOR A HIPPO. SO COULD WE INCREASE IT JUST TO EVEN'S ONE FROM THE SCHOOL? I THINK YOU WERE NO, THE POINT, WELL, 200 TO ADD ADDITIONAL 20 OR SO SHRUBS AT THAT CORNER WITH THAT BEING THE FOCAL POINT OF THAT INTERSECTION. MY CAN, CAN SHRUBS BE OTHER THAN JUST SHRUBS? YOU CAN DO CRATE MYRTLES. WELL, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE TREE DENSITY THERE, THE SHRUBS AREN'T GOING TO GET LIGHT AFTER THREE YEARS. SO, SO THEY'RE GONNA END UP DYING OUT. KIND OF LIKE A, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOUR MASTER PLAN IS AND IT, IT'S NOT IN OUR SCOPE TO BE ABLE TO REVEAL TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT'S NOT FUNDED. HOWEVER, THERE IS, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION AND DESIGN DISCUSSION ABOUT AT THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY BEING SOME TYPE OF, UH, ARCHITECTURAL VISUAL FEATURE, WHETHER IT BE SILOS OR UH, UH, A MARQUEE OF SOMETHING THAT ADDS UH, VISUAL EFFECT IN OUR, IN IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THERE IS ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION UP THERE. SO I WOULD WANT, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, TO PLAN FOR THAT LATER. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE PLANT TREES THERE NOW AND SHRUBS THERE NOW AND THEN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE THE FLUGER IN THEIR DESIGN TEAM PRESENTS THIS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT IS APPROVED, THEN I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND REMOVE OR RELOCATE THAT WERE THERE ANYWAYS. THERE'S THERE USED OR USED TO BE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S STILL THERE, THE STATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP SIGNS MM-HMM. MM-HMM. FROM MY DAY. UH, YEAH. I GUESS A CAVEAT TO THAT THOUGH IS IF IT DOESN'T GET FUNDED SURE. THEN WE'RE PREPARED AND 20 SHRUBS TO PULL UP 20 SHRUBS. I COULD DO IT ON A SATURDAY SO IT WOULDN'T BE, BUT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TREES ALREADY PROPOSING TO GO TO THERE. I THINK THAT IT'S THE TREES THAT ARE MORE MARKS CONCERN THAN THE SHRUBS. UM RIGHT. WE WOULD LIKE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE TREE PLACEMENT IN THAT ONE PARTICULAR AREA. THOSE TREES COULD BE REDISTRIBUTED IN THAT GENERAL LOCATION. BUT I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE SOME SORT OF PROMINENT ARCHITECTURAL SIGNAGE THERE THAT TIES TO THE CAMPUS ITSELF WITH THE CO-OPS THAT ARE GOING DOWN THAT ARE DOWN THE STREET TO CREATE A UNIFIED LANGUAGE ON 79. YEAH. AND SO MARK'S TALKING MORE ABOUT THE TREES THAN ANY SHRUBS THAT WOULD BE GOING IN THAT JOB. RIGHT. AND IF, AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT SCALE, THOSE TREES ARE ABOUT 15 FEET WIDE AS FAR AS THE CANOPY GOES. THAT'S NOT A MATURE TREE. WELL THESE ARE ONLY GONNA BE FOUR TO FIVE FEET WIDE. BUT TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK WE ONLY CAN DICTATE OR TRY TO PUT INTO THIS OF WHAT WE WANT ON CHRIS KELLY, THE AMOUNT AND THE SIZE. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE STILL LEAVING IT UP TO THEM TO DO THE DESIGN, COME UP WITH THE LOCATIONS. THE REST OF 'EM WE'RE, IT'S THE SIZE AND LETTING THEM FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY GO ON CAMPUS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR REDUCTION. RIGHT. WHETHER IT'S IN THAT CORNER OR THEY COME UP WITH A FEATURE OR THEY THROW IT ALL OVER INTO THE, UH, SHOT PUT DISCUS, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER THEY PUT IT. OUR, OUR, FOR US IT'S REALLY, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE CHRIS KELLY TO BE NICE. RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE GONNA SET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AT CHRIS KELLY FOR THE LANDSCAPING AND THE REST OF THE REDUCTION IS WHERE IT FITS ON SITE TO MEET THE DISTRICT'S GOALS THAT THEY HAVE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN 1 71 75, 200 SHRUB REQUIREMENT. I I THINK ONE 70 IS WELL THE BARE MINIMUM. [02:35:01] RIGHT. WHICH THEN ONLY GIVES THEM TWO EXTRA SHRUBS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING. SURE. TO, TO, TO GO ALONG CHRIS KELLY. IT'S 168 SHRUBS. SO THEN WHENEVER WE SAY WE ONLY NEED TWO MORE SHRUBS, WE COULD, WE COULD INCREASE THE GALLON SIZE. THAT'S TRUE. SO YOU, IT'S LIKE INCREASING THE, THE CALIPER SIZE. RIGHT. INSTEAD OF A THREE, YOU GO TO A FIVE, GO TO A FIVE GALLON INSTEAD OF TWO, YOU GO TO THREE. RIGHT. UM, BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA SPACE 'EM OUT THE SAME DISTANCE AND SO THEY'LL SPACE 'EM, BUT THEY'D BE WIDER. RIGHT. SO YOU'LL YOU'LL CAPTURE THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA SPACE 'EM PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME CUZ THEY'RE EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA GROW OUT TO BE THE SAME SIZE REGARDLESS IF YOU PUT A THREE OR FIVE INCH IN THERE. SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TWO SHRUBS EVERY UH, PARKING SPOT, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S A THREE OR FIVE, THERE ARE GONNA BE TWO SHRUBS EVERY PARKING SPOT. RIGHT. YOU WOULD JUST, YOU WOULD CAPTURE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. THE LARGER THE SHRUB. YEAH. THE, THE RADIUS WOULD BE WIDER. MM-HMM. . SO THE IMPACT WOULD BE MORE OF A HEDGE. BUT LIKE WHEN I PLANT SHRUBS IN MY YARD, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE AS BIG AS FIVE FEET. SO I'M GONNA SPACE 'EM REGARDLESS OF IF I BOUGHT A $5 ONE OR A, I MEAN A FIVE GALLON ONE OR A 10 GALLON ONE, I'M GONNA SPACE 'EM OUT FIVE FEET APART REGARDLESS, BECAUSE I KNOW MATURITY-WISE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA, AND SO MA SO I'M THINKING LONG TERM, YES. I WOULD RATHER HAVE 'EM BIGGER UPFRONT MM-HMM. , BUT AT THE, AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE GONNA GROW. AND SO MY BIGGER THING WOULD BE HAVING EXTRA SHRUBS THAT THEY COULD PUT BY THE STADIUM SIGN OR AROUND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU KNOW, AROUND UM OKAY. SAFETY WISE, JUST HAVING A FEW EXTRA BUT STILL SAFETY WISE, BUT STILL REQUIRING A FEW EXTRA THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITH IN ANOTHER AREA TO MAKE IT LIKE ANOTHER AESTHETICALLY PLEASING LOCATION. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING INCREASE THE TOTAL COUNT, DICTATE ONE 60 ALONG THE PERIMETER OF CHRIS CALLIE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO JUST PLACE WHEREVER THEY WANT TO AT WILL THEY, THEY COULD PLACE THE OTHER 40 RIGHT ALONG CHRIS KELLY AS WELL. YEAH. RIGHT. OR SOMEWHERE INTERIOR PROPERTY OR COULD OR IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER SPOT WHERE IT WOULD LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND BE A SAFETY IT NOT BE A SAFETY ISSUE AND AN IRRIGATION ISSUE THAT THEY PLACE 'EM IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, THE 1 68 THAT HAVE TO BE ALONG, EXCUSE ME, ALONG CHRIS KELLY AND THEN HAVING A SET NUMBER OUTSIDE OF THAT. SO MAY I ASK YEAH. WE TOTALLY WANT TO HELP AND, AND UM, ABIDE BY THE REQUEST TO, UM, IMPLEMENT THOSE SHRUBS AND, AND THE FOUR INCH CALIPERS ALONG CHRIS KELLY. COULD WE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DEFINE AND AND UNDERSTAND WHERE ELSE THE REMAINING COULD GO, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL DESIGN. THERE'S, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE MM-HMM. THE COUNCIL AGAIN FOR ANOTHER APPROVAL, UH, FOR A NEXT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO IF WE, IF WE STUCK WITH THE CHRIS KELLY AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR PART TO DRESS UP THAT NORTHWEST SIDE OF THAT, THAT THAT FACILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU OUR WORD, WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF WE CAN MAINTAIN THE FLEXIBILITY TO PUT THEM IN WHERE WE THINK WILL BE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR OUR CAMPUS, OUR STUDENTS, THE SAFETY AND SUCH, AND THAT WE CAN KEEP THEM ALIVE. CUZ I DON'T WANNA PUT 'EM IN AND THEN THEY DIE AFTER A YEAR BECAUSE OF WHATEVER, A HARSH COLD SNAP OR BECAUSE OF LACK OF WATER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT THIS, THIS CONS, THIS SITE HERE IS GONNA BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR ABOUT THE NEXT 18 MONTHS IF NOT LONGER. AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR US TO, TO TALK ABOUT AND TO ENVISION WHEN WE'RE GOING AND WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'LL PUT 'EM IN AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR 170 SHRUBS AND, AND WHATEVER GALLON CAPACITY WE'RE GONNA COMPLY, WE WOULD JUST ASK FLEXIBILITY AS TO WHEN AND WHERE AND HOW WE PUT THEM OTHER THAN ALON CHRIS KELLY BECAUSE THAT ENTIRE NORTH SIDE IS, IS ABOUT TO BE TORN UP AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE SPOT WHERE EVERYTHING IS MOBILIZED FROM THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, THE LAY DOWN YARD, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS GOING TO BE RESTRUCTURED IN TERMS OF MOVING LARGE AMOUNTS OF EARTH. AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT FOOTPRINT PUT DOWN, THEN WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER AND IF YOU WANT TO, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO BRING YOU OUT AND SAY, HEY LISTEN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN REAL TIME RATHER THAN ON A, ON A DRAWING. HEY, COME OUT AND, AND SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE, UH, GOOD STEWARDS, WE WANNA WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU. UH, AND, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO [02:40:01] MAINTAIN THAT FLEXIBILITY TO HA MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AT A, AT A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING WITH THE, BUT JUST HOW, HOW MANY KIND OF PUTTING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE 168 ALONG CHRIS KELLY, BUT DO WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE 200 SHRUBS AGAIN, THE OTHER WHAT, 38 SHRUBS YOU GET TO YOU, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT MM-HMM. , I I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU WANNA PUT 'EM WHERE THEY WOULD, BUT IT GIVES US AN EXTRA 38 SHRUBS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY GO ONTO THE SITE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALL GONNA BE TORN UP. I MEAN THE PARKING LOTS YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE DOING A LOT. AND SO I COMPLETELY GET THAT IT'S ALL GONNA BE RIPPED UP. AND SO IF, IF WE'RE ALREADY RIPPING IT UP AND WE CAN THROW AN EXTRA, UM, IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PRACTICE FIELD OR SOMETHING AND JUST PUT A FEW MORE SHRUBS BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, OR IF, IF WE'RE ALREADY TEARING UP THE PARKING LOT TO ADD MORE PARKING SPACES OVER BY THE TENNIS COURTS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE THROW IN AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM OVER THE, THAT'S WHERE, SO I WAS BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT FLEXIBLE ON THOSE EXTRAS, BUT GIVING US AN EXTRA NUMBER SO THAT WE DO HAVE A FUTURE OF MORE SHRUBS GOING IN. SO TO 32. 32, 32. BUT YES, BUT WE WERE WITH IT. WE WERE, YEAH. SO BASICALLY THE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 'EM AS LOOKING AT THIS MAP AS BLUE SHRUBS. THEY OWE US, THEY, THEY OWE A SHRUBS. YES. THE 32 SHRUBS WOULD BE BLUE SHRUBS. AND THAT IS WHERE THE NEXT TIME YOU COME, YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THESE ARE THE BLUE SHRUBS WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, CHAIR HUDSON. I LIKE IT. WHAT WAS THE TOTAL COUNT THAT YOU, YOU HAD FOR THE SHRUBS? DIDN'T YOU? DID A, YOU DID A QUICK, UH, QUICK, QUICK MATH WAS, UH, 2 92 90 S WHAT'S REQUIRED? UH, I'M SORRY, FOUR 90 WAS THE REDUCTION. UH, LET'S SEE, THAT'S, IF WE GO TO 30%, UH, THAT WAS THE REDUCTION. SO, UH, LET'S SEE. MAN, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE'RE READY FOR IT, BUT ALMOST WE REDUCE THE 30% DICTATE 1 68 ALONG CHRIS KELLY. SO WHAT'S THE REDUCTION NUMBER TO, UH, I'M, I HAD IT. WHAT YOU COULD DO IS JUST SAY 30% IF YOU WANT, GO AHEAD AND REDUCE EVERYTHING. AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH 30%. WE CAN JUST 30% ALL THE WAY THE TREES AND THE TRUCKS. 30, 30%. AND THEN WE WILL FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN WE GET TO SITE PLAN LANDSCAPING. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT NUMBER FIGURED OUT FOR THIS ITEM. UM, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO DO THE MATH, MAKE SURE IT'S GOOD. WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET AN UPDATED PLAN PRIOR TO COUNCIL, IF THAT'S THE CASE. OKAY. I GUESS THE CONCERN IS IT IS A 30% LESS THAN 1 68. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY WE NEED AT LEAST THE 1 68. AND THEN THE REMAINDER HAS TO MEET THAT 30% I THINK COMMISSION. THAT'S, I GUESS LET YOU I WELL, YEAH. UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO LIKE A MOTION, WHAT I WANTED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MATERIALS, UM, AND WE HAVE NO DICTATION OVER THAT. I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A PLAY AS A TAXPAYER. UM, IT IRKS ME TO KNOW THAT THE STADIUM HAS MATERIAL THAT CAME FROM SWITZERLAND, THE SWISS PEARL FACADE. SO PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT YET. WE ARE NOT USING SWISS BRA. THANK YOU . THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO SAY. SO I'M GOOD NOW. SO I HAVE A MOTION. UH, IT'S GONNA BE LONG. GOOD LUCK. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE. GIVE GIMME ONE SEC. LET ME, LET ME JUST DO A MATH CHECK HERE. UH, 2 45. OKAY, SO IT'S THREE 50 COMES OUT TO 1 0 5, BUT ON THE CHART IT SAYS 1 25 4, THAT'S A 30% REDUCTION IS ONE 20. WELL, FROM 2.5, 2 45. OKAY. SO I SEE A 30% FULL, FULL AMOUNT WOULD BE THREE 50. OKAY. 1400 BUSHES FULL AMOUNT. OKAY. SO 30% THE TREES, HUH? I WAS DOING THE TREES. I'M SORRY. YEAH. OKAY. SO BUSHES THAT COMES TO FOUR 20. I'M OKAY WITH THE REDUCTION IN 30% AND WE DICTATE 1 68 AS SCREENING ALONG CHRIS KELLY. YEAH. UNLESS MY MATH IS WAY OFF. JUST GOING BACK TO THIS BEING, I MEAN, THIS IS SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF HUDDLE. I THINK EVERYONE DRIVES PAST THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY. I JUST, I DON'T, UGH, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD LOOK AT PEOPLE IN THE FACE AND TELL THEM THAT I GAVE THEM A 90% REDUCTION FOR SHRUBS WHEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT CITIZEN COME OUT AND SPEAK TO IT. UM, RIGHT. WE'VE, WE WE'RE REDUCING 30% ON TREES AND WE'RE SAYING ONE 70 IS SET AND THEN THE NUMBER OVER THAT WOULD BE WHENEVER THEY WANT WOULD BE BLUE. THE SAME WHERE YOU WOULD FIGURE OUT, BUT THE REMAINING TWO 50 WOULD BE BLUE. YEAH. TRUBS IS A LOT OF SHRUBS. IT'S, IT'S A BIG SITE. IT IS A BIG SITE. IT'S [02:45:01] A VERY LARGE SITE. IT IS A BIG SITE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IRRIGATION WISE WHERE, WHERE THEY WOULD GO. ALL RIGHT. I, I UNDERSTAND. I'M, I'M DONE WITH MY MATH PART AND, AND, AND JUST, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF A CITIZEN, BUT THIS IS AN EXISTING FACILITY. IT, ALL OF OUR NEW BUILDS ARE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WOULD, AND, AND IT, I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS IS AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT IS BEING DRASTICALLY IMPROVED, UH, WITH, WITH LANDSCAPING. UH, 400 SHRUBS IS A LOT OF SHRUBS. AND THEN I WOULD ASK THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT THE COST OF THOSE SHRUBS AS COMPARED TO USING THAT, UH, USING THOSE FINANCES IN, IN EDUCATING CHILDREN. UH, THERE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND SO WE WANT TO FOCUS EVERY BIT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN ON STUDENT INSTRUCTION AND STUDENT LEARNING. THAT'S OUR GOAL. THAT'S OUR BUSINESS. AND WE WANT TO MEET TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, UH, THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE, AND THE COMMITTEE. UM, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER AND CONSIDER THAT 400 SHRUBS ON THIS SITE IS A LOT CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF USE AND, AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO THAT TO, TO THAT, TO THAT SPACE. VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COME IN, UH, COMING IN ACROSS THAT NORTHERN ROAD BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS IN THE FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING UNLESS IT'S DURING A GAME. SO THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS INVOLVED. UM, I I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, THAT YOU KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR VERY BEST TO MEET, TO AGAIN, TO MEET THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE REQUIREMENTS AS, AS A PARTNER IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT TO, TO MAN TO DEFINE 400 SHRUBS AT AN EXISTING CAMPUS THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND THEN TO ALL OF A SUDDEN ASK THE, THIS AMOUNT OF SHRUBS. THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG ASK. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STUDENT INSTRUCTION. I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. AND, AND, AND CAN SUPPORT THE REQUEST ALONG CHRIS KELLY AND THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN POSSIBLY AROUND THOSE, THOSE NEW ADDITIONAL PARKING AREAS AND POSSIBLY ALONG THAT NORTH ROAD BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS AND THE HOMESIDE. BUT TO SAY ALL ALONG THE, THE, THE RAILROAD PART OF IT, THAT'S A BIG ASK FOR A, A, A FACILITY OR A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND HAS HAD NEVER, HAS NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE'RE GONNA BE WILLING TO MEET WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU REQUEST THAT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE, THAT WOULD BE OUR ARGUMENT. AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT EVEN AN ARGUMENT. THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR, OUR DISCUSSION POINT. SO 20% IS 280 SHRUBS, WHICH WOULD BE 110 ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL SHRUBS TO WHAT'S ON CHRIS KELLY TO STILL AN 80% REDUCTION. WE'RE DOING THE CALCULATION, WHICH IS NOT RIGHT. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. SO WE'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS OFF OF WHAT WE THINK IS RIGHT. I'M, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. WE NEED TO PUSH IT BACK. I THINK I HAVE A WAY TO DO IT WHERE THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT. IT'S PART OF OUR MOTION. AND THEY'LL, THEY GET, FIGURE OUT THE MATH. IF IT'S 150, THAT'S 30%. IF IT'S 200, THAT'S 30%. LET THEM DO THAT. LET'S NOT DICTATE WHAT THAT 30% IS AND FIND OUT THAT WE ARE HIGH OR WE ARE WAY LOW. SO I HAVE A MOTION, IF WE HAVE NO MORE DISCUSSION, , UM, I, I HAVE, CUZ THIS BUGS ME. I I HAVE NO CHILDREN. AND THE ARGUMENT OR THE POSITION OF WE COULD DO THIS OR WE COULD EDUCATE CHILDREN. I'M JUST GONNA SAY HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON THE STADIUM AND HOW MUCH EDUCATION WAS NOT GIVEN TO STUDENTS BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT DOESN'T ENTER INTO THE CALCULUS. WE'RE TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES IN MY OPINION. AND IF IT'S ALL ABOUT EDUCATION, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A STADIUM. SO I'M GONNA DEFEND THEM REAL QUICK CUZ THE BOND VOTERS APPROVED A STADIUM AND A DOLLAR VALUE. SO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY SAID WE WANT THE STADIUM. NOW I, I DO DISAGREE WITH THE WAY HE PHRASED IT. THERE'S BOND MONEY THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR PROJECTS, IT'S FOR BUILDING FACILITIES. PLANTS ARE PART OF THE FACILITIES. AS THEY'RE DOING THIS THOUGH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMATIC SPACES THAT ARE NEEDED BY OUR STUDENTS. SO WE'RE TALKING A BAND AREA. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BLACK BOX THEATER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORMING ART CENTER. THOSE ARE BENEFITING OUR STUDENTS. YES. AND SO WHAT THE WAY IT PHRASED IS I'M DEFENDING HIM BECAUSE IT, THE WAY HE'S SAYING IT CAME OFF, MAYBE NOT HOW WE WOULD'VE LIKED TO HEAR IT, BUT IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING STUFF FOR THE STUDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE STADIUM, BECAUSE WE [02:50:01] ARE SIX A NOW, WE HAVE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS OR WILL HAVE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE HOW MANY ATHLETES THAT USE IT. WE HAVE FOOTBALL, WE HAVE DANCE, WE HAVE CHEER. SO I'M GETTING ON THEIR HORSE REAL QUICK OF OKAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT GO THERE. AND MINE IS, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. THE STADIUM DOES NOT EQUAL EDUCATING KIDS. IF IT DID, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED. BUT IT BUT THAT BOND WAS THAT BOND FOR THAT SPECIFIC THING. EXACTLY. THAT'S MY POINT. THIS BOND, THIS BOND THAT THEIR WORK, THE, THE MONEY THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THE BOND THAT GOES TOWARDS THE BUILDING WHERE EDUCATION IS HAPPENING AND THE LANDSCAPING. CORRECT. BUT THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO GET. AND SO I AGREE WITH, WITH UM, YES. COMMISSIONER KIRK KURT YES. ON THAT ONE. SORRY, KURT . NO, MY MY THING IS DON'T CONFLATE THE TWO ISSUES. RIGHT. KEEP 'EM SEPARATE. THAT'S JUST ME. AND HE IS, I MEAN HE, HE, YEAH. YES. NO, AND AND I GET, I GET YOUR POINT. UM, AND I DO, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL, UH, WHEN I WAS DOING THE, THE BOND FOR THIS DISTRICT GOING FORWARD, I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE DISTRICT WHO ARE VERY UPSET BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BONDS AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND NOW THEY'RE SPENDING MORE. BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE NEXT GENERATION THAT IS GONNA BE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY IN OUR CITY AND MM-HMM. , I WOULD RATHER LOSE A FEW SHRUBS AND HAVE ONE MORE TEXTBOOK OR ONE MORE, YOU KNOW, CHROMEBOOK OR WHATEVER TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT BEING DISCUSSED HERE. NO, THAT'S MY POINT. WELL, BUT IT IS NOT, NOT REALLY. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEFUNDING TEACHERS TO PUT IN SHRUBS. THEY, THEY HAVE A BUDGET. THEY HAVE BONDS. THE BONDS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT TO CONSTRUCT AND LANDSCAPE. BUT WE'RE PROVIDING IT'S CONSTRUCT LANDSCAPE. IT'S STILL APART. IT IS THE DESK, IT IS THE TEXTBOOKS. EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IS GOING INTO THIS PROJECT. EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING IS PART OF THAT BOND. LIKE DOWN TO THE TEXTBOOK, DOWN TO THE HOURS THAT TEACHER IS GONNA PUT INTO THAT CLASSROOM, DOWN TO THE STUDENT WHO IS GONNA NEED AN EXTRA PENCIL BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF A PENCIL. EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR GOES TO, IF THAT'S THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT. SO DON'T WE WANT TO PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH THE MOST DOLLARS POSSIBLE AND JUST BUILD A GREAT CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING AND BE DONE WITH IT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MENTALLY, THAT IS NOT THE BEST IDEA FOR ANYBODY. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO NOT 490 SHRUBS OR 420 SHRUBS IN AN AREA WHERE WE'RE ALREADY SITTING HERE HAVING A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT 180 SHRUBS. I, I WOULD RATHER FIGHT FOR LESS SHRUBS IN ANOTHER TEXTBOOK, TO BE QUITE HONEST. OKAY. I KNOW, I KNOW I'M GOING AGAINST MY NORMAL THING ABOUT MY TREES, BUT, UM, I SEE WHERE HE'S COMING FROM AS FAR AS DOLLAR TO DOLLAR. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA CLARIFY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOND FUNDS, WHICH IS DEDICATED TO BUILDING FACILITIES. IT'S NOT TEACHER SALARIES. THAT'S A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM. SURE. SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMATIC SPACES THAT TEACH STUDENTS, WHETHER IT'S AN OUTDOOR ATHLETIC FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THESE ARE SPACES THAT OUR STUDENTS GO INTO. NOW, DO THE STUDENTS USE OUTDOOR SPACES, WHICH THE LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO BE AROUND? YES. SO GETTING RID OF ALL THE LANDSCAPING. RIDICULOUS. DOING A GREAT BUILDING. I WOULD NOT HAVE A JOB. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THERE , BUT WE'VE GOT THE TASK TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION ON IT. I THINK THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THIS AND MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL FEEL CONFIDENT GOES TO THE COUNCIL. AND BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR HAVING, HAVING THIS OPEN DIALOGUE. I, I'M, I'M GRATEFUL ON BEHALF OF HUDDLE IS D TO MOVE PAST WHATEVER ISSUES HAVE EXISTED PREVIOUS TO, TO MY BEING IN THIS POSITION OR, OR PREVIOUS PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. I WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, TO BE COLLABORATIVE AND, UH, TO, TO MEET AT A, AT A GOOD, UM, COMPROMISE. SO I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AS WELL. WE WANT IT TO BE LIKE THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE MAJOR [02:55:01] DECISIONS. ABSOLUTELY. THEY ARE. WE WANT TO BE HERE TO PRESENT AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO ARGUE FOR KIDS. MM-HMM. AND, AND WHATEVER THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, WHETHER IT'S A PENCIL, A CHAIR, A SPACE, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. MM-HMM. , IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO BENEFIT THE INSTRUCTION OF KIDS. AND TO THINK ABOUT HAVING TO PUT IN THAT NUMBER OF SHRUBS JUST DOES, I I, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME JUSTIFYING THAT, JUST AS YOU WOULD HAVE A TOUGH TIME JUSTIFYING WHY THERE WAS A REDUCTION. SO I TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THEN? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. TAKE IT AWAY. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE DEFINITION OF SCREENING ON THE ROOFTOP FOR ONLY THE NEW PORTIONS OF CONSTRUCTION AND NOT THE EXISTING FACILITY. TWO, THAT WE APPROVE THE PARKING COUNT TO BE SH AT 1969 SHORT, 31 SHORT OF THE 2000. AND LASTLY, TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 185 SHRUBS, OR 30%, WHICHEVER IS LARGER OF FIVE GALLON SHRUBS TO BE LOCATED ALONG CHRIS KELLY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE SHRUBS WITH A MINIMUM OF 16 FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY WITH THE REMAINDER BALANCE OF THE THREE INCH TREES TO HIT THE REDUCTION TO 30% TO BE LOCATED AROUND THE REST OF THE SITE. , I DON'T EVEN NEED TO TRY , SO I GOT IT. SO MY, SO MY SECOND AND THEN WE, OH, OKAY. SORRY. SO DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE CAN, NOW WE CAN DISCUSS THE MOTION. OKAY. SO IF THE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE, THE 1400 AND THEN THE 30% IS THE FOUR 20 AND WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHERE TO PUT 200 SHRUBS. THAT'S WHERE MY, THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS ON, ON THEIR BEHALF. SO THE WAY I WAS FIGURING 185 SHRUBS, THE MAJORITY'S GONNA BE ALONG CHRIS KELLY. RIGHT. BUT IF THAT 30% REDUCTION IS LARGER THAN 85% OR 185 AND IT'S 200, THEY'RE PROVIDING 200 SHRUBS. BUT THE MAJORITY WOULD BE AROUND CUZ KELLY, AND THEY CAN LOCATE THE REST OF THEM AS THEY SEE FIT ACROSS THE SITE. CAN WE, WHAT IF IT IS THE 420? HUH? WHAT IF IT IS THE 420 IS THE FULL HUNDRED PERCENT OR NO, NO, NO. IS IT 30%? 30% IS FOUR 20, THEN THEY HAVE TO, THAT'S WHERE MY MAXIMUM, THAT'S WHERE MY, IT JUST IS, ITS AN OVERALL REDUCTION. BUT LIKE HE SAID, IF HE PERCENT, SO HE THROWS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 200 SHRUBS ALONG THE, THE LINEUP BY THE RAILROAD TRACKS. BUT THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN. WE'RE NOT THAT, WE'RE NOT DICTATING THAT PLACEMENT. WE ARE ONLY DIC DICTATING CHRIS KELLY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DIC. BUT I'M SAYING IF, BECAUSE NOW HE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT ANOTHER HUNDRED OR 300 SHRUBS AND HE PUTS ALONG, THEN IT'S JUST LIKE LOWE'S WHERE ALL OF THEM DIED OUT AND WE'RE NOW, WE HAVE NO SHRUBS. THE CITY HAS TO KEEP THEM UP TO A CERTAIN STANDARD AND THEY HAVE TO REPLACE ANYTHING THAT DIES. THAT IS A CITY FAULT. I WOULD LIKE TO REWORD IT TO WHERE IT'S A, A REDUCTION TO 30%, BUT WE DICTATE THE 1 68 ALONG CHRIS KELLY AT FIVE GALLONS. OKAY. NOT THE GREATER OR JUST WE REDUCE IT TO 30% AND THEN WE DICTATE 168 AT FIVE GALLONS ALONG CHRIS KELLY AND THE OTHERS COMING. THE UDC THE OTHERS CAN BE. YEAH, WE JUST DICTATE THE 1 68 ALONG CHRIS KELLY, WHATEVER IS A, IF IT GOES ABOVE WITH THE 30%, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAN IT PER UDC WHEREVER ELSE ON THE SITE. BUT IF 30, 30%, BUT WHAT IF 30% IS 500 SHRUBS? IT IS 30% WILL ONLY BE THE, THE LANDSCAPING PORTION THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR ANYTHING FOR A SITE PLAN IS NOT GONNA BE FOR THE ENTIRE SITE FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. IT'S ONLY GONNA BE FOR THE SITES THAT THEY ARE CHANGING. OKAY. SO, SO I SEE, SO YOU'RE SAYING HERE'S THE THEN NOT THAT'S YOURS IS A SAFETY NET BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S 500 SQUARE FEET PER ONE TRUCK PER 500 SQUARE FEET I THINK IS WHAT I SAW IN 500 LINEAR. YEAH. 500 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPING REQUIRED. RIGHT. SO THIS SITE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING REQUIRED. IT HAS VEHICULAR PARKING LOT AND SCREENING REQUIRED BUT NOT LANDSCAPED AREAS. RIGHT. SO IF WE GO BY THE LANDSCAPED AREAS, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE 20 SHRUBS MM-HMM. . RIGHT? [03:00:01] I MEAN, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, SO WE WANT TO, WE'RE SAYING 185 OR 30% IF THEY'VE CALCULATED MORE LANDSCAPING AREAS THAN I'M ANTICIPATING, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING THE PLAY FIELD. RIGHT. THE LANDSCAPED AREAS ARE AROUND THE BUILDING, WHICH DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE SHS PER THE INTERLOCAL. SO TO ME THE 180 5 IS HOW MANY THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE MINIMUM MM-HMM. . OKAY. THE 30% ACTUALLY NOW THAT I READ MORE INTO, IT'S PROBABLY LESS WHAT'S IN, UH, STUDIO 16 NINETEENS LETTER. I'M ASSUMING THAT IS LESS THAN WHAT WE'VE CALCULATED ISN'T. RIGHT. AND IT'S LIKE 20 AT MOST. OKAY. SO 185 IS REALLY WE WANT, WE COULD GET RID OF THE 30% BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY DOESN'T APPLY AT ALL. AND SO WHAT WAS YOUR WORDING FOR THE, FOR THAT PORTION OF THE MOTION TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 185 SHRUBS AT FIVE GALLONS ALONG CHRIS KELLY WITH A MINIMUM. WELL, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO REVISE WITH A MINIMUM OF 160 LOCATED. I DON'T WANT TO DICTATE, I WANNA SAY 185 THERE AND LET THEM SAY, HEY, WE WERE ABLE TO FIT AND MAKE SURE THEY WOULDN'T DIE 150. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE NOW 25 EXTRA SHRUBS THAT THEY HAVE LOCATED STRATEGICALLY ELSEWHERE ON CAMPUS. AND IT WAS TO PROVIDE A MAJORITY ALONG CHRIS KELLY. SO SAY THE MAJORITY ALONG CHRIS KELLY TO PROVIDE A BUFFER, A FENCE BUFFER. I FEEL, I I DON'T WANNA SAY MAJORITY. I FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO VAGUE. MM-HMM. , I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO, I, WHAT IF WE DID TWO PER ADDITIONAL PARKING STALL? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO GRAY. I JUST THINK IF, IF I'M READING CODE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT IS, WHERE THE WIGGLE ROOM IS. SO IF WE DID TWO SHRUBS PER PARKING ADJACENT TO CHRIS KELLY, MINIMUM FIVE GALLONS, AND THEN BASED OFF WHAT'S SHOWN HERE, THAT'S 168. AND IF THIS CHANGES TO A HUNDRED TO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, IF IT'S CAPTURED IN THE 30%, THEN IT'S FREE GAME. WELL WE, WE DON'T EVEN PLACE A NUMBER ON THE SHRUBS. WE SAY TWO PER PARKING SPACE ADJACENT TO CHRIS KELLY. IF THEY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES, THAT'S FOUR SHRUBS. IF THEY HAVE 200, THAT'S 400 SHRUBS END OF STORY. BUT THEY WILL HAVE TWO PER SPACE ADJACENT TO CHRIS KELLY. NOW OUR MATH WITH THE PRESENTED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ENDS UP BEING 168. CUZ THERE'S WHAT, UH, 80, 84 SPACES. I DIDN'T COUNT THEM. HE COUNTED. YEAH. YEAH. WILL THIS MEAN SITE DESIGN STANDARDS? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MUNIA, DO WE? I'M FINE WITH TWO PERK PARKING SPOT. IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 185. RIGHT. WE AT LEAST GET THAT. BUT I HOW DO, HOW DO WE WORD? I MEAN AT THAT POINT, DO WE JUST DO 200 AND WE JUST DICTATE WELL, IF IT'S 160, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 40 EXTRA SHRUBS. THAT SEEMS LIKE OVERKILL TO ME BECAUSE WHERE ARE THEY GOING? I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THIS PLAN. YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF SHRUBS. THEN YOU'RE JUST GONNA PLOP 'EM IN PLACES, MAN. I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE I KNOW, BUT I HAVE ACRE, TWO ACRE SITES THAT HAVE CRAZY SHRUB REQUIREMENTS. IT'S NOT, NOT DOABLE, BUT IT'S ALSO A DIFFERENT SAFETY CONCERN. SO YOU'RE COMMERCIAL. I AGREE. I AGREE. I STILL THINK, AND THEN WE JUST DO THE, I STILL THINK A HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE TWO PER SPOT, THAT'S GONNA GIVE US AN EXTRA 15 THAT THEY CAN CREATE A COUPLE NICE BEDS SOMEWHERE THAT OR ELSEWHERE ON WITH THE TREES AND JUST LET THEM COME UP WITH A GOOD DESIGN. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I LIKE IT. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. DO I HAVE TO REPEAT IT? ? UM, JUST THAT PART ACTUALLY COULD YOU, COULD YOU GO THROUGH IT AGAIN? UH, RE REASON I ASK IS THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT THAT I MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. I GOT THREE POINTS. FIRST POINT PROOF SCREENING OF THE ROOFTOP [03:05:01] AT NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY 0.2 APPROVED PARKING COUNT TO BE AT 1969 REDUCED BELOW THE 2000 REQUIREMENT. POINT THREE, WHICH IS TWO POINTS WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 185 SHRUBS PROVIDING TWO SHRUBS PER PARKING STALL ALONG CHRIS KELLY WITH A MINIMUM OF 16 FOUR INCH CALPER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY. AND THE REMAINING BALANCE TO THE 30% REDUCTION TO BE THREE INCH TREES PROVIDED ALONG THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE. FIVE GALLON OH AND FIVE GALLONS FOR THE DISRUPTS. YES. YES. UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THE PARKING IS SHUTTLE WILL BE USED IF, UH, IF NEEDED THE REDUCTION OF 1969 PARKS WITH SHUTTLE PROVIDED. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DICTATE THAT THE SHUTTLE PROVIDED IF REQUIRED SHUTTLE IF NECESSARY. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAY WE'VE GOT THE SHUTTLE BUILT IN AND IF WE REDUCE IT FURTHER IN THE FUTURE, YOU GUYS KNOW IT'S SHUTTLE TIME. WELL, WE EVEN HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE UPCOMING EVENT, UH, THIS, THIS COMING SATURDAY, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS REQUESTED USE OF OUR PARKING SPACES, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE DOWNTOWN FESTIVITIES. AND SO WE'VE EVEN HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR MM-HMM. , UH, TO, TO AID AND ASSIST. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR EVENTS, WE KNOW THAT THERE, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES OR, OR THERE COULD BE EVENTS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TO BE, UH, TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D, TO AMEND THE MOTION TO THE FOLLOWING , I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVE ROOFTOP SCREENING OF THE NEW FACILITY ONLY TO APPROVE THE PARKING COUNT REDUCTION TO 1969 WITH A STIPULATION THAT SHUTTLES SHALL BE PROVIDED IF NECESSARY. THREE, TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF A HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE FIVE GALLON SHRUBS LOCATED ALONG CHRIS KELLY WITH OR WITH TWO PER PARKING SPOT AND THE REMAINDER RELOCATED ON SITE. PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 16 FOUR INCH CALIPER TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE REDUCTION TO 30% OF TREES AT THREE INCH CALIPER ALONG THE REST OF THE SITE. AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT? I LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. . OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MO SHOW? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. YES. ALL RIGHT. THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSE. SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. THIS IS WHAT I DO. I'M AN ARCHITECT. , MY BROTHERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR DISCUSSION. VERY MORE TIME. NICE TO MEET YOU. MEET. THANK YOU, RICK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD PLEASURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK VERY MUCH. DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS, FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. YEP. THERE WE GO. AND TICKETS, RIGHT? ? UH, JUST KIDDING, JUST KIDDING. OFFICIALLY FOR THE RECORD. JUST FOR THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT. THOUGH I REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE THING FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE GOING TO START DOING. UM, JUST BY DEFAULT WHEN WE GET TO JANUARY, UH, KNOWING THAT WE DID NOT MAKE A QUORUM AND WE DID HAVE PLATS THAT WERE STATUTORILY APPROVED, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START DOING A CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK AS WE START LOOKING AT TWO MEETINGS, I THINK IF WE DO A CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE PLATS THAT ARE GONNA BE STATUTORY APPROVED BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE BY LAW, UM, WE CAN START PLACING SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PULL IT, IT'LL RUN. JUST LIKE COUNSEL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN PULL THAT ITEM. UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT WILL HELP SPEED UP SOME OF THE, UM, DISCUSSIONS AND WE'LL JUST HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OR IF THERE'S A PLA WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT, WE WILL HAVE IT. UM, WE COULD HAVE THAT OFF CONSENT IF THERE'S TOO MANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. IF IT'S NOT READY, YOU KNOW, US, WE DON'T NORMALLY PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE LIKE WOULD NOT BE ON THE CONSENT PORTION. IT'S REALLY JUST GONNA BE THE PLATS THAT HAVE TO GET APPROVED ANYWAY. WE CAN GET THOSE IN AND OUT OF THE WAY. THOSE, UM, DEVELOPERS OR, UM, ENGINEERS CAN GO AHEAD AND LEAVE AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE OTHER BULK OF THE MEETING [03:10:02] ABOUT ALL I HAD FOR YOU. YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, AS, AS LONG AS IT'S JUST STUFF ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT WOULD BE STATUTORILY APPROVED, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. MOST BOARDS DO AND COMMISSIONS HAVE A CONSENT AND YOU CAN PULL AN ITEM OFF JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT. RIGHT. AND THEN YEAH. BUT YEAH, AND IF THERE'S ANY, I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE A U OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON, ON. NO. YOU KNOW. NO, NO. WE WOULD HAVE TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ANYWAY SO IT COULDN'T GO ON CONSENT. BUT YEAH. AND IF THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY GREAT AT FINDING LITTLE ISSUES. YEAH. ON THE PLAS BEING PULLING THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE WHENEVER IT COMES IN, JUST SENDING IT BACK, GOING, HEY, I SAW ALL THESE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN ANGEL SENDS US A REMINDER, SHE CAN BE LIKE, HEY, BY THE WAY, THESE WERE UPDATED. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT THE CONSENT CAN GO THROUGH WITHOUT, AND IT CAN EVEN JUST BE NOTES ON THE CONSENT OF, HEY, I NOTICED THIS ON A NOTE. YOU KNOW, 5.1, THERE WAS A TYPO IN THIS NOTE. CAN WE JUST ADD THAT TO YEAH, IT WOULDN'T DEFER. YEAH. OR PROLONG ANYTHING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL YOU GOT. I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION NOW. OH, I'M OUT. I'M OUT. I'M OUT. NO HAPPY HOLIDAYS. NO. UM, SO YEAH, WE DO HAVE, IF YOU DID NOT, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE UM, BUZZ ON FACEBOOK, WE DO HAVE AN EVENT DOWNTOWN ON SATURDAY AND THAT WILL ALSO BE OUR FINAL TENT EVENT FOR THE COMP PLAN. UM, SO COME OUT IF YOU CAN'T, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A NICE DAY. YES SIR. WHAT'S A TENT EVENT ON? SO FOR THE TENT EVENT, IT'S JUST US TABLING FOR THE, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE'LL HAVE TABLES, WE'LL HAVE, UM, PROBABLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. I'LL HAVE TWO OF THE SUB-CONSULTANTS THERE. I'LL BE THERE FOR MOST OF THE DAY. UM, EITHER VOLUNTEERING OR IN THAT BOOTH. NEED VOLUNTEERS. WE REALLY DON'T. IT'S REALLY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, WE LUCKILY GOT A GREAT SPACE OVER BY HENRIETTA, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT WAY THAT WE BOOKEND BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY STARTED THE LAST TIME WE HAD, UM, A HOLIDAY EVENT. SO I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT WAY TO KIND OF END THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD AND YOU WILL BE SEEING CHAPTERS SOON. UM, AND THEN WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD IN JANUARY ON ACTUAL DISCUSSION OF THE FULL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT'S THE BIG PART. UM, AND THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO REALLY FUN, BUT IT'S MORE SO ABOUT THE COMP PLAN CUZ WE ARE THERE. THAT'S SO EXCITING. RIGHT. YEARS AND YEARS IN THE MAKING. I KNOW. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, THEN WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT 10:12 PM I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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