[00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. AT 7:00, WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 5TH, 2023, TO ORDER. [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER] THEY START WITH ROLL CALL. COUNCILMEMBER SUTTON. HERE. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. HERE. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. HERE. MAYOR SNYDER IS HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY. HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR HERE ACTUALLY WILL BE LED AN INVOCATION TONIGHT BY ELDER SHARPE FROM THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. IF YOU WILL PLEASE RISE. FATHER WERE SO GRATEFUL FOR THIS DAY, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND ABIDE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY FULL OF FREEDOM. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS AND FOR THE LIBERTIES THAT IT HOLDS. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE CHANCE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BECOME BETTER PEOPLE. AND PLEASE BLESS THAT. WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND STRENGTH THROUGH OTHERS AND THAT WE CAN RELY ON THE AS OUR GUIDE. AND WE LOVE THESE SO MUCH AND WE SAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR SAVIOR. AMEN. AMEN. PLEDGE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ORDER THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. [5.1. Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day Proclamation (Diversity & Inclusion Commission)] LIAISON TO THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION. JOIN ME IN FRONT. JUST IN MY. SMALL. IT'S HARD TO SAY WHO. BEFORE QUITTING WITH. TOMORROW. TOLD COMMISSION MEMBERS THE DIVERSITY INCLUSION COMMISSION WILL COME UP WITH. YOU GUYS STAND WHEREVER YOU WANT TO STAND. DON'T YELL TOO LOUD. SINCE THE PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR DAY ON JANUARY 16, 2023, WHEREAS IN THE SUMMER OF 1963, THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR STOOD ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND SHARED HIS DREAM TO BRING JUSTICE. WHERE THERE IS INJUSTICE, FREEDOM WHERE THERE IS OPPRESSION, PEACE, WHERE THERE IS VIOLENCE AND OPPORTUNITY, WHERE THERE IS POVERTY. WHEREAS THROUGH BUS BOYCOTTS, RESTAURANT SIT DOWNS, FREEDOM RIDES AND MARCHES. THE MOVEMENT THAT DR. KING HELPED LEAD ADVANCE CALLS FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE. WHEREAS DR. KING WAS JAILED DOZENS OF TIMES FOR HIS EFFORTS. YET HIS COMMITMENT TO EQUALITY AND JUSTICE NEVER WAVERED. WHEREAS, PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS TODAY CONTINUE TO RAISE THEIR VOICES AGAINST THE ABUSES OF POWER, HATRED AND DISCRIMINATION THAT DR. KING CHALLENGED AND TO FIGHT FOR EQUALITY AND JUSTICE. WHEREAS, IN 1984, PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN ESTABLISHED A COMMISSION TO ASSIST IN THE FIRST OBSERVANCE OF A FEDERAL LEGAL HOLIDAY HONORING DR. KING ON HIS BIRTHDAY ON JANUARY 18TH. WHEREAS IN 1994, PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON EXPANDED THE MISSION OF THIS HOLIDAY TO BE A NATIONAL DAY OF SERVICE, INTERRACIAL COOPERATION AND YOUTH ANTI VIOLENCE. WHEREAS, DR. KING'S DREAM AND TEACHINGS CONTINUE TO INSPIRE OUR NATION, OUR STATE AND OUR CITY OF HUTTO. AND. WHEREAS, DR. KING'S LEGACY OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO GIVE BACK AND MAKE AN ONGOING COMMITMENT TO SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WHEREAS EACH OF US CAN CONTRIBUTE TO MAKING THE CITY OF HUTTO A COMMUNITY WITH INCREASED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL ITS RESIDENTS. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF HUTTO HAS MADE DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION OF ALL GROUPS A PRIORITY AND SUPPORTS THE CONTINUED WORK OF THE CITY'S DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION TO RAISE AWARENESS AND PROMOTE A COMMUNITY THAT EMBRACES ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS. NOW, THEREFORE, I'M MIKE SNYDER, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF HUTTO DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE A FEDERAL LEGAL HOLIDAY IN JANUARY THAT COMMEMORATES THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. AS A COMMUNITY DAY OF SERVICE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. I ALSO AFFIRM THAT THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO LIVING OUT KING'S LEGACY BY PROTECTING AND SERVING EVERYONE WHO RESIDES IN WORKS IN OR VISITS THE CITY OF HUTTO WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, RESPECTING THE DIGNITY, EQUALITY AND CIVIL RIGHTS OF ALL PEOPLE. [00:05:07] THANK YOU. YOU GUYS, AS A CHAIRMAN OR POLICE, I WANT TO SAY TO KNOW WE WERE REALLY WE WERE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DRAFT OUT A PROCLAMATION FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON OUR COMMISSION'S MIND AND. WELL, IT SHOULD BE. SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. COME ON, TARA. ONE MORE. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM SIX CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. [6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JAMES, OUR CITY MANAGER. CITIZENS, EVERYONE, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I HOPE EVERYONE'S HOLIDAYS ARE FILLED WITH REALLY GOOD THINGS. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD THE CHANCE TO WATCH OUR NEW VIDEO THAT PREVIEWS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND PUSHED OUT, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE THIS YEAR. SO GO AHEAD AND TAKE 3 MINUTES TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN YOU CAN EXPECT ADDITIONAL VIDEOS TO COME OUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE IDEA HERE IS TO HELP THE PUBLIC VISUALIZE AND BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL'S BEEN DISCUSSING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SUCH AS THE MUCH ANTICIPATED IMPROVEMENTS AT 1660 AND LIMMER AND THE POTENTIAL BRIDGE OVER 79 AND 132. IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, IT'S ON THE CIP PART OF OUR WEBSITE. SO IT'S THE HUD DOT GOV FORWARD SLASH SIP CALENDAR UPDATES. JANUARY 18TH WILL BE THE FIRST DAY TO FILE FOR OFFICE FOR OUR MAYOR ELECTIONS. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DATE TO NOTE. AND THEN THE ALL THE PACKET INFORMATION WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN FILING. AND THEN ON JANUARY 19TH, AT OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT THE 6:00 WORK SESSION, WE WILL BE RECEIVING A PRESENTATION ON THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT. THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT LOOKED AT THE CITY'S ROADS AND SIDEWALKS THIS FALL AND THEY'RE GOING TO SHARE THEIR FINDINGS WITH COUNCIL. THE DATA AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS WHICH ROADS AND SIDEWALKS TO PRIORITIZE THE FUND ON AND WORK ON IN THE NEXT YEAR. ALSO THAT NIGHT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE CONCEPT OF SEYMOUR, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. SEYMOUR IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN PROCURE PROJECTS AND MOVE THEM ALONG A LITTLE FASTER ON SOME OF THE MORE COMPLICATED ITEMS. SO WE WANT TO PRESENT THAT FACTUALLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL SO THEY CAN BEGIN TO DIGEST THAT. AND THEN SECONDLY, DURING THE ACTUAL REGULAR MEETING, WE WILL BE RECEIVING THE DRAFT OF THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GUIDE THE CITY THROUGH THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS. IT'S BEEN CALLED SOAR, WHICH STANDS FOR STRENGTHS, OPPORTUNITIES, ACTIONS AND RESULTS. SO KIND OF LIKE SWAT. BUT INSTEAD OF SWATTING, WE'RE SOARING. I GUESS THE THE DRAFT WAS LARGELY FORMED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH THE CLOSE WORK OF THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS AND LOTS OF FEEDBACK. THERE WERE DOZENS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT OVER THE PAST YEAR, INCLUDING SURVEYS AND FOCUS GROUPS, ONLINE FORUMS, THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEN SEVERAL SPECIAL EVENTS WERE HELD WHERE WHERE THE BOOSTS WERE THERE FOR INFORMATION. IN FACT, WE'RE STILL ACCEPTING PUBLIC FEEDBACK BEFORE THE DRAFT GOES TO COUNCIL. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE AND FIND THE DRAFT AND THEN SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE JANUARY 13TH. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THERE WILL BE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION ON JANUARY 19TH ABOUT A MAJOR NEW ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION COMING RIGHT HERE TO HUTTO. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS WITH THE HUTTO EDC FOR SOME TIME AND WE'RE THRILLED TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL NEXT MONTH. EVERYONE SAVE THE DATE FOR WORLD HIPPO DAY. THAT'S ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY THE 15TH. SO ON ON FEBRUARY THE 14TH, WE'RE LOVING OUR LOVERS. [00:10:02] AND ON THE 15TH WE'RE LOVING HIPPOS. DON'T GET THOSE TOO CONFUSED. ARE YOU GOING TO GET YOURSELF IN TROUBLE? ALL RIGHT, SO FROM 4 TO 6 P.M., EVERYONE'S INVITED TO CITY HALL TO CELEBRATE ALL THINGS HIPPO. WE'LL HAVE THE PERFORMANCES, MERCHANDISE, PHOTO OPS AND EVEN A PREMIERE OF A NEW SHORT FILM ABOUT THE HIPPO LEGEND. THEN LASTLY, WE MOVE INTO PROFESSIONAL RECOGNITION AS WE TEND TO HAVE STARTED THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF THE MONTH, I INTRODUCE OUR NEW EMPLOYEES TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS MY WAY OF HELPING THE FOLKS BEGIN TO SEE THE FACES THAT ARE THAT ARE HERE SERVING YOU. AND THIS MONTH, IT'S MY HONOR TO INTRODUCE THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF TEAM HUTTO, AS WELL AS THE STAFF WHO'VE EARNED PROMOTIONS DUE TO THEIR DEDICATION TO TALENT. SO WE'LL START WITH OUR NEWLY HIRED EMPLOYEES. IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE FRONT WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, AND I WILL, I WILL DEFINITELY READ YOUR INTRODUCTORY. SO FIRST WE HAVE HANNAH DURAN. JOINS TEAM HUTTO AS LIBRARY TECHNICIAN. SHE GREW UP IN PFLUGERVILLE BEFORE ATTENDING BROWN UNIVERSITY FOR HER UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE IN AMERICAN STUDIES AND HER FIRST MASTER'S DEGREE TO TEACH MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL ENGLISH. SHE'S NOW WORKING TOWARDS HER MASTER'S DEGREE IN LIBRARY SCIENCES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AND IS THRILLED TO LAUNCH HER LIBRARY CAREER HERE IN HIPPO NATION. WELCOME VERY MUCH, ANNA. YOU CAN STAY UP HERE. WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP ANOTHER ONE. THE SECOND PERSON IS AARON SWINDLER. NO, AARON. WELL, AARON IS IS A VERY BUBBLY CHARACTER. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HIM YET, I THINK YOU'LL ENJOY GETTING TO MEET HIM. AARON JOINS THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AS A CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR. HE'S A PROUD RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. HE BRINGS MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ON CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS. HE CAN'T WAIT TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE RIGHT HERE IN HIS OWN COMMUNITY. YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN HIM BEING THE OTHER GOLF CART RACER FOR. YEAH. ALONG WITH ME AND MY WIFE. AARON WAS DRESSED IN SANTA CLAUS OUTFIT. SO THOSE ARE OUR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT STARTED DURING THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. THANK YOU, HANNAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCE THE PROMOTION OF JEFF WHITE SERVING AS PARKS AND RECREATION SUPERINTENDENT. HE'S BEEN PROMOTED TO DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. HE LIVES HERE IN HUTTO. HE AND HIS WIFE, LISA, HAVE THREE GREAT KIDS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT. HE'S AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE HUTTO COMMUNITY, INCLUDING SERVING IN THE HUTTO LIONS CLUB AND ON THE BOARD OF KEEP HUTTO BEAUTIFUL. JEFF HAS NEARLY TWO DECADES OF PARKS AND RECREATION EXPERIENCE, WHICH CERTAINLY HELPED HIM THROUGH THE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE APPLICATION AND INTERVIEW PROCESS FOR HIS NEW POSITION. HE'S EVEN SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF HIS ASSOCIATION FOR THE STATE, SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING AND CONGRATULATING JEFF FOR HIS PROMOTION. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE PICTURES, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO LOVE THIS PART. ONE, TWO, THREE. MAYOR COUNCIL PUBLIC. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS. [7. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS] SEVEN ONE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. I DO HAVE ONE. I WANT TO SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE. IT WAS A PEACEFUL HOLIDAY SEASON, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF. I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE HAD THAT. THERE IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT I BELIEVE HAS CAUSED SOME ANGST IN OUR TOWN, AND I JUST KIND OF WANT TO ADDRESS THAT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WHEN I FIRST REQUESTED TO REVISIT A DEDICATION PLAQUE ON CITY HALL, I SAID, I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT. SERVES THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO REDEDICATE THIS BUILDING TO EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN IN HUTTO FROM ITS INCEPTION TO ITS. TO THE FUTURE. I ALSO WANT THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THE VOLUNTEERISM AND THEIR TIME. I NEVER INTENDED FOR NAMES TO BE ON THE PLAQUE. I INTENDED FOR THE PLAQUE TO BE A GENERAL APPRECIATION FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER SERVED. PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFYING STATEMENT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SOME INFORMATION THAT WENT OUT THAT [00:15:05] MY INTENTIONS WERE DIFFERENT. SO I LOVE THIS TOWN. I WANT TO BRING HUDDLED TOGETHER. I WANT TO HEAL WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN OVER MANY, MANY YEARS. I WANT THIS BUILDING, AS CONTROVERSIAL AS IT HAS BEEN TO BE A PLACE FOR HOW TO GROW AND TO FACILITATE OUR FUTURE AND EMBODY THE SPIRIT OF THE HIPPO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. I HAVE ONE HAPPY NEW YEAR AS WELL TO EVERYONE. IT IS A BITTERSWEET MOMENT FOR ME. AS I TOLD YOU GUYS BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE WERE GOING TO BE MOVING FROM THE AREA. MY HUSBAND WORKS FOR TESLA. HE GOT OFFERED AN AMAZING JOB OPPORTUNITY, SO WANTED TO COME HERE IN PERSON AND LOOK AT EVERYBODY HERE AND AT HOME, OF COURSE, AND JUST SAY THANK YOU. EFFECTIVE TOMORROW, I WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT RESIGNATION IN WRITING. THE PROPER PROFESSIONAL WAY THAT IT SHOULD BE AND KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THE LAST I HEARD, WHICH WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, A SPECIAL ELECTION COST THE CITY ABOUT $30,000. AND. IN ESSENCE, ME SUBMITTING IT TOMORROW ALLOWS FOR MY SEAT TO BE PUT ON TO THE GENERAL ELECTION. SO WHILE IT WILL BE A SPECIAL ELECTION FOR MY SEAT, IT WILL BE ABLE TO GO ON WITH THE GENERAL ELECTION. SO AS FAR AS CANVASING AND THE POLL WORKERS THAT WORK THERE AND THE EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COST THE TAXPAYERS ANY EXTRA DOLLARS. SO THAT REALLY WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT AND WHY THAT PARTICULAR DATE WAS CHOSEN. IT HAS BEEN. A RIDE, THAT'S FOR SURE. LEARNED A LOT, BUT A LOT OF FANTASTIC PEOPLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT MAKE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAPPEN AND ALL THE GREAT EVENTS THAT HAPPEN IN HUTTO MY FAMILY THAT HAS DEFINITELY SACRIFICED A LOT AND HAD TO KIND OF. LEARN, LEARN HOW TO BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE A LITTLE BIT CAN BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY FOR A SUPPORTIVE HUSBAND. MY FRIENDS WHO MADE THIS HAPPEN, YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOUR VILLAGE, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND THE RESIDENTS, I MEAN, IT WAS FANTASTIC. IT'S BEEN A GREAT RIDE. ONE OF MY BIGGEST THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE HAPPEN WAS RELATIONSHIPS BETTER. ARE THEY 100%? NO. AND IN A CITY THAT WE'RE GROWING SO FAST AND AT THE RATE, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PROBLEMS. BUT I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP WITH TSITSI HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT MENDED. I THINK THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ISD IS IS GETTING BETTER, THAT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER ALSO IS HOPEFULLY GETTING BETTER. AND WHILE I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS ALONE, AS NONE OF US UP HERE ON COUNCIL DO ANYTHING ALONE, ALL OF IT IS A GROUP EFFORT. I JUST GENUINELY WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AND IT WAS SUCH A BITTERSWEET MOMENT. AND I'M GENERAL JUST SO, SO, SO, SO SAD TO BE TO BE GIVING THIS UP. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT, SO I'VE GOT ONE. I DID A I DID A RIDE ALONG. I WON'T SAY WHAT DAY, BUT IT WENT GREAT. AND I LEFT THAT RIDE ALONG A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE COUNCIL, WITH THE CITY IN GENERAL. AND THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE REGULARLY WORKING AND THEY WORK MIDNIGHTS. THEY WORK HOLIDAYS. WHILE WE'RE ENJOYING OUR TIME WITH OUR FAMILY. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT CHRISTMAS, KWANZAA HAD A GREAT HAPPY NEW YEAR AND WAS SAFE. BUT YOU WERE SAFE BECAUSE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WERE GOING AROUND WORKING THAT MIDNIGHT SHIFT, WORKING THAT DAY WHILE YOU WERE ENJOYING YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY. AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE SEVERELY UNDERSTAFFED AND I HOPE COMING UP VERY, VERY SOON, WE SEE SOME CHANGES IN TERMS OF PAY STRUCTURES. WE HAVE NEW OFFICERS THAT ARE COMING UP HERE AND THEY'RE HAPPY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SOME PEOPLE REGARD US AS THE SAFEST CITY IN TEXAS AND WE CAN'T GROW THE WAY WE'RE GROWING IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY OFFICERS THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE DESERVED. AND THEY'RE THE LAST THING I'LL LEAVE WITH IS WE KEEP HEARING REGULARLY THAT, WELL, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOUGH TO GET OFFICERS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THEM A WAGE THAT NONE OF US IN THIS ROOM WOULD WANT TO GIVE UP OUR HOLIDAYS AND NIGHTS AND FAMILY TIME AND PAY OUR LIFE IN DANGER TO GO [00:20:06] BE A COP AND MAKE 60 TO 65000 A YEAR. YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT. AND SO OUR MINDSET HAS GOT TO CHANGE AS A COMMUNITY. AND EITHER WE START FEELING LIKE IT'S OKAY NOT TO BE THE SAFEST CITY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE STAFFING OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START PAYING FOR WHAT WE WANT, WHICH IS HAVING CHRISTMAS EVE IN OUR HOUSE, SNUGGLED UP WITH THE FAMILY. EVERYTHING'S GOING GREAT AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT SOMEONE KICKING THE DOOR IN AND ROBBING US BECAUSE APD IS OUT THERE. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME THINGS IN 2023. I'M GOING TO BE PUSHING THEM PRETTY QUICKLY IN TERMS OF LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT SOME OF THIS BECAUSE I FEEL SORRY WHEN I RIDE WITH THOSE GUYS. I HONESTLY FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. BUT. SO I GOT THERE. I JUST HAD ONE QUICK ITEM THERE. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE BLACK FAMILIES OF HUTTO FOR SPONSORING THIS, THEIR SECOND ANNUAL KWANZAA EVENT. I ATTENDED IT AND I LEARNED A LOT. I HAD NO CLUE WHAT KWANZAA WAS, ZERO GOING IN, AND I CAME AWAY LEARNING A LOT ABOUT WHAT IT IS, THE HISTORY OF IT, WHY IT'S CELEBRATED, HOW LONG IT'S CELEBRATED. IT'S A SEVEN DAY EVENT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND SO IT WAS JUST REALLY NEAT TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, TO MEET A LOT OF HUTTO CITIZENS THAT I NEVER MET BEFORE AND SOME THAT I HAD. AND SO IT WAS PRETTY NEAT TO SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES, SOME NEW FACES. AND SO ALSO THANK HUTTO DISCOVERY METHODIST CHURCH FOR HOSTING IT, THE LOCATION. AND IT WAS IT WAS A NEAT EVENT, SO I WAS GLAD TO BE A PART OF THAT. IT WAS VERY FUN. I LEARNED A LOT, TOO. I GUESS I'LL GO NEXT. I HAVE ONE JUST TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ON MONDAY, JANUARY 9TH. IT'S ACTUALLY LAW ENFORCEMENT APPRECIATION DAY. SO ON THAT DATE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHOW APPRECIATION, DEFINITELY JUST TELL AN OFFICER THANK YOU OR I'M SURE COFFEE WOULD BE GREAT OR ANY THANK YOU AND SUPPORT. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO. I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S CHALLENGING. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE HAVING SOME GROWING PAINS. YOU FEEL THOSE HARD. AND WITH THE MAYOR'S INITIATIVES THIS COMING YEAR THAT HE BRINGS UP, HOPEFULLY THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL CAN SUPPORT YOU AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THAT DATE? MONDAY, JANUARY 9TH. JANUARY 9TH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM SEVEN, TWO CITY COUNCIL LIAISON REPORTS. NEW LEADS ON REPORTS OVER THE HOLIDAYS. SO THE YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL AND THE ADC HAD MET AND APPROVED FUNDING FOR DUE DILIGENCE ON PROJECT. E JUST WANTED TO LET, LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE NEXT DAY THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ALSO MET AND APPROVED EXTENDING THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD BY 60 DAYS TO ALLOW THAT WORK TO TO BE COMPLETED. SO THANK YOU GUYS. YEAH. PROJECT IS A GROCERY STORE ANCHOR SHOPPING THING. ANY OTHER LEADS ON REPORTS, PLANNING AND ZONING MET ON TUESDAY NIGHT. THOSE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. WE GOT TO GET A GLIMPSE OF SAW, WHICH IS EXCITING FOR HUTTO AND I PRAISE STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY PUT INTO THAT. THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK THAT OVERALL THE GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM FROM PLANNING AND ZONING WAS TO ACCEPT THE SAW PROJECT. AND WE'LL HAVE AGAIN, I'LL SPEAK PROBABLY MORE DURING THOSE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEMS ON WHAT CAME FROM THAT MEETING. RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER REPORTS? THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM SEVEN THREE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. I'LL START TAKING BETTER NOTES. SO. ANY AGENDA ITEMS YOU WANT TO HAVE ADDED. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE COMING UP. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MAYBE THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, BUT A DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE, ON GUIDELINES FOR PLAQUES, BUILDING NAMES, PROCLAMATIONS AND OTHER NAMING CONVENTIONS FOR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. AND THE INTENT TO THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION, AN ACTUAL STRUCTURED WAY THAT WE WE START DOING THINGS. POTENTIALLY IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE IT, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. [8. PUBLIC COMMENT] EVERYBODY GETS 3 MINUTES. WHEN YOU START THE LIGHT TURN GREEN, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO GO TO YELLOW AND IT READ YOUR TIME'S UP. [00:25:05] AND I HAVE TWO, 493. SO I'LL JUST MAKE SURE 93 GETS PULLED SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THOSE. AND THEN IT SAYS NO PLAQUE. ARE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK ON THE PLAQUE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO IT IN PUBLIC? COMMENT. COMMENT? YOU SAID ON THE PLAQUE. YEAH, IT SAYS NO PLAQUE ON YOUR THING FOR THE AGENDA ITEM. SO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW IN PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW. PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO FIRST UP, WE HAVE RUDY PEREZ. RUDY PEREZ. HELLO, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CONTINUED WASTE OF MONEY THAT IS BEING SPENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL. A PLAQUE. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY. DID I HEAR THAT THIS PLAQUE WILL COST ALMOST 5000. ROBYN, WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO WASTE CITY TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY ON THIS THAT DO NOT BENEFIT THE HUDDLED TAXPAYER? YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? LAST PLAQUE THAT WAS PUT UP AND WAS REMOVED FROM CITY HALL OF THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER FOR POOR LEADERSHIP OF THIS TOWN. THAT 5000 COULD GO TOWARDS POTHOLES, SIDEWALKS, PARK IMPROVEMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN A PLAQUE. THIS CITY IS A THIS CITY COUNCIL IS A DISAPPOINTMENT. YOU ALL WORRY ABOUT LITTLE THINGS LIKE PLAQUE AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT OUR ROADS, TAX RATES AND BAD LOOKING PARKS AND ALSO BETTER POLICE PAY WOULD WOULD HELP. TWO OF YOU ARE UP FOR REELECTION. KEEP DOING DUMB STUFF AND HUDDLE. AND THE CITIZENS WILL REMEMBER THIS WHILE I'M ON THE SUBJECT. WHEN CAN WE MOVE THE PICTURE OF DOUG GALL, WHO MADE HUDL LOOK BAD? GALL WORKED HARD, AS PETER DID IN THE COVER UP, AND NOT TO MENTION THAT OUR POLICE CHIEF IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN HUDL. THANK YOU, CHIEF YARBOROUGH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. NEXT, WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. [9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS BEFORE WE CALL THEM OUT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 9192 AND NINE SIX TO EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE PUBLICLY TALKING ABOUT THEM. ONE, TWO AND SIX. ONE, TWO AND SIX. HEARING NO OBJECTIONS. THEN WE HAVE ITEMS 93949798999 TEN. BUT FOR. CONSIDERATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NINE EIGHT TO DISCUSS IT IN 95 SEPARATELY. I THOUGHT THERE WERE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON NINE THREE. SO DO YOU NEED TO PULL. OH YEAH. NINE THREE. SO THEN I'D LIKE TO PULL NINE THREE. THANK YOU. ALMOST GOT YELLED AT. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS NINE THREE THEN NINE, FIVE AND NINE SEVEN, WHICH IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS WOULD LEAVE ITEMS 949799 AND 910 FOR CONSIDERATION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 9.4. 9.6. 9.8. 9.9 AND 9.10. AS PRESENTED, NINE SIX WAS ON EXECUTIVE. OH YES. YES. SO JUST NINE. 4999. YEAH. 9.4. 9.8. 9.9. AND 9.10. OKAY. I LIKE TO PULL NINE EIGHT OUT. OKAY. SO JUST 3949929 TEN. WAS 97. ONE THAT WAS ON CONSENT. YES. OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE 9.4, 9.9 AND 9.10 AND NINE. SEVEN AND NINE, SEVEN, NINE. OH, WAIT. I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO COME ALONG. SO YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. SO I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS. 9395. OKAY. AND 9809970. I HAD NINE SEVEN. YEAH, I HAD NINE SEVEN AS WELL. YEAH. YOU DONE THAT. SO THAT WOULD JUST LEAVE. NINE FOUR, NINE SEVEN, NINE, NINE AND NINE, TEN. ALL RIGHT, LET ME DO THIS. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. 9.4. 9.7. 9.9 AND 9.10. YOU HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. LISTEN. BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK IN DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEARING? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CALLER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT BRINGS YOU TO ITEM NINE THREE. [9.3. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-062 of the City of Hutto, Texas, approving a Second Amendment for Solid Waste and Recycling Services between the City of Hutto and Al Clawson Disposal, Inc. to provide for a two-year extension and providing an effective date. (First Reading)(Legal)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER ZERO. [00:30:01] DASH 2022, DASH ZERO SIX. TEXAS APPROVING A SECOND AMENDMENT FOR SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING SERVICES BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND ALCOHOL AND DISPOSAL INC TO PROVIDE FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND FIRST UP, WE HAVE DEBBIE HOLLAND TO SPEAK ON THIS. WHY IS THERE NOT A SECOND READING ON IT? THIS ONE? WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION IT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. DEBBIE HOLLAND, 104 HUTTO STREET. I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO REFLECT ON THE SERVICE THAT ISD HAS JUST ALTCOURSE CLAWSON DISPOSAL HAS PROVIDED TO THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO SINCE, I BELIEVE, 2003. THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED SOLID WASTE COMPANY. ISD HELPED THE CITY OF HUTTO AS WE MOVED INTO THE ERA OF RECYCLING, HELPING TO EDUCATE BOTH CITY EMPLOYEES AND THE CITIZENS RELATED TO HOW AND WHAT WE CAN RECYCLE. THIS IS AN ONGOING TRAINING THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN. TROY AND TONYA, BROTHER AND SISTER. THEIR PARENTS OR WHO STARTED ASD. I THINK OF EVERY ONE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AS FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEY ALWAYS TAKE THE EXTRA STEP TO EDUCATE AND TRAIN THESE EMPLOYEES TO THE BEST THAT THEY CAN BE PROVIDING SAFETY TRAINING AND CERTIFICATIONS TO BETTER ASSIST THESE EMPLOYEES. WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE KNOW IS THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER WORK THIS FAMILY DOES FOR HUTTO AND THE OTHER CITIES THAT THEY SERVE. THE GREAT HUTTO CLEANUP WOULD NOT RUN AS SMOOTHLY AS IT DOES IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE FAMILY AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. A FEW. THE LAST FEW YEARS, CITIZENS BRINGING ITEMS TO THE CLEANUP HAVEN'T HAD TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS TO BE UNLOADED. AC DC EMPLOYEES ARE THERE TO UNLOAD THEIR TRUNKS OR THEIR BACKSEATS OR THEIR TRAILERS, AND THEY, THE CITIZENS, REMAIN SAFELY IN THEIR VEHICLE, WHICH IS AMAZING. AT THE FESTIVALS AND EVENTS THAT ARE HELD AT IN HERE IN HUTTO MANY TIMES, MOST OF THE TIMES YOU'LL SEE ISD EMPLOYEES THERE SCHLEPPING TRASH CANS AROUND AND MAKING SURE THERE'S ALWAYS EMPTY CANS FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR TRASH IN AND THEY JUST GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SERVICE. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S OTHER SOLID WASTE COMPANIES. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH OTHERS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S OTHER COMPANIES THAT DO THAT KIND OF OF OF AN EFFORT. TONYA CLAUSSEN IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR LEANDER, AND SHE'S ALSO SERVED ON THE CHAMBER BOARD FOR HUTTO AND HAS DONE AN AMAZING THING OF OF HELPING BRING A LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM TO THOSE BOARDS. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE JUST FORTUNATE AND BLESSED TO HAVE TROY AND SISTER TONYA DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR WORK. I CAN'T FIND I CAN'T IMAGINE FINDING A MORE HUMBLE AND DEDICATED COMPANY TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT, WE HAVE TROY CLAWSON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. I AM TROY KLAUS AND VICE PRESIDENT OF HDI. AND I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS. JUST BE LIKE 20 YEARS, RIGHT? THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD ANNIVERSARY FOR FOR THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE CREATED HERE. AND I'VE BEEN VERY THANKFUL TO BE PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY SINCE ONE A FOOTBALL. YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENED HERE. AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I PLAYED ON THIS FIELD AGAINST YOU AND YOU BEAT ME BACK IN THOSE DAYS. YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THIS COMMUNITY AND THE GROWTH AND SUCH BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING. AND AND AND I'M GOING TO THANK YOU TOUR. I'M GOING OUT TO ALL MY CITIES. I'VE BEEN COOPED UP SINCE COVID. I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT MUCH TIME. YOU YOU I'VE SEEN HER OUT AND ABOUT, BUT I'VE BEEN BEHIND THE SCENES AND WORKING AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE OUR SLIDES. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE? SO I WANT TO THANK MY TEAMS. I DELIVERED UNINTERRUPTED SERVICE IN THE RAIN, THE FREEZING TEMPERATURES IN A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. THEY WERE HERE EVERY WEEK, EVERY DAY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT. WE TALKED ABOUT ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL. THAT WAS THOSE GUYS. I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE DOCTORS AND NURSES AT WORK THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, BUT SO DID OUR GUYS. [00:35:03] AND THAT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE. OUR TEAMS TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE AND THAT COMES FROM THE FAMILY ASPECT BECAUSE WE LIVE, WORK, PLAY, SHOP IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND WE CALL THIS COMMUNITY HOME. THAT'S ONE OF OUR HAPPY CUSTOMERS. THEY'RE HERE IN HUTTO. HIS NAME IS J.R. HE SENT US ON THE FACEBOOK THE OTHER DAY. HE SAID, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TODAY IN THE FREEZING COLD, YOU KNOW, RETIRED MARINE. WHAT YOU DID TODAY REFLECTS THE DEDICATION OF YOUR CUSTOMERS AND THE ROUGH TIMES. IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY ON THE BACK OF THOSE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH HERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. FORMER MAYOR HOLLAND TALKED ABOUT RECYCLING. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ONGOING THING BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING INTO OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE COMING FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE. NOW THEY HAVE EITHER REALLY, REALLY GOOD RECYCLING PROGRAMS WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO HERE OR THERE. THEY'RE COMING FROM A PLACE THAT NEVER HAD RECYCLING. SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT THINGS IN THE TRUCKS. LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO MAJOR FIRES AT TWO OF THE RECYCLING FACILITIES HERE, THE ONE OUT HERE AT WILKO AND THEN THE ONE DOWN IN BALCONIES DUE TO THINGS BEING PUT INTO THE RECYCLING THAT WERE NOT ACCEPTED. LIKE BATTERIES, THESE BATTERIES CAN'T GO IN. WHEN THEY GET IN THE TRUCK, THEY COMPRESS. IT CAUSES HARM. AND WE HAD TWO MAJOR FIRES THAT WERE RESULTED IN BATTERIES IN THE RECYCLE STREAM. SO WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE IN THERE. COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS KEEP BEAUTIFUL. THAT'S TREMENDOUS. MARJORIE BLAKE IS THE PRESIDENT OVER THERE. THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH OUR TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE CARS, THAT WE KEEP IT SAFE AND THAT WE KEEP THAT CLEANED UP. COKE FEST. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR EVERY COKE FEST. THAT IS A GREAT EVENT. I LOVE COMING OUT. I LOVE THE MUSIC. I WISH WE HAD IT WHERE I LIVED. WE'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH THE CHAMBER. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT PARADES AND THINGS THIS NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING SOME NEW STUFF TO BRING OUT FOR THE PARADES AND I'M REALLY EXCITED AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE. HENRY THE HIPPO. HE'S GOING TO BE HERE ON THE HIPPO DAY. SO WORLD HIP HOP DAY. DEFINITELY BRINGING HIM OUT. AND, OF COURSE, WE PARTNER WITH THE SANDBOX, AND THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT PROGRAM THERE. LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK KRISTEN, OUR NEW MARKETING DIRECTOR, AND SAY HI FOR ALL THE SLIDES. NEXT PERSON, TONYA CLAWSON. SHE'S REALLY AND TRULY THE PERSON THAT KEPT EVERYTHING RUNNING SMOOTHLY IN YOUR TOWN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HER AS WELL. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AS A FORMER MAYOR, FORMER SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU FOR SERVING. THIS IS A GREAT HONOR TO SERVE. AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT DO IT. AND SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE DIDN'T GET THAT APPRECIATION ENOUGH, I FELT LIKE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE PACE, NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE. RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU PULLING THE ITEM SO I CAN SPEAK. AND I WANT TO SAY WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS. WE HAVE A TWO YEAR OPTION ON THE. ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, I'D ASK THAT YOU WOULD GRANT US OR TWO. OPTIONS SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THE GREAT WORK HERE. MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, TROIAN. I'LL ADD SOMETHING TO THAT. MAYOR HOLLAND AND TROY DIDN'T HIT ON. YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY MODEST PEOPLE BECAUSE AT THE EVENTS THAT THEY WORK, WHEN YOU NEED THE TRASH DUMPED, IT'S ACTUALLY. IT'S NOT JUST THEIR EMPLOYEES, IT'S THEM. ALSO, WHEN WE WERE CLEANING UP SHILOH CEMETERY AND QUICKLY WE FILLED UP THE DUMPSTER. I TEXTED TANYA AND I FORGET YOUR HUSBAND'S NAME. ROBERT. MR. ROBERT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. I'M SURE HE DROPPED EVERYTHING. BUT WITHIN LESS THAN AN HOUR, HE WAS BRINGING OUT A NEW CONTAINER OUT TO HUTTO AND NO CHARGE. I MEAN, I OFFERED TO PAY FOR IT AND THEY SAID, NO, WE'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN THE TORNADO HIT AND WE HAD DEBRIS EVERYWHERE. I WAS HERE TO DROP OFF. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY I DON'T HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE EITHER IN THIS, BUT I KNOW OTHER TRASH COMPANIES. YOU'RE JUST A NUMBER ON A SPREADSHEET. AND SO I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COST. I DON'T KNOW IF WE PLAN ON BIDDING OUT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COST BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A COST THAT YOU CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR. WHAT YOU GET WHEN IT COMES BACK TO THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN SO THE SERVICE IS ALMOST PRICELESS. AND SO FOR ME, MY TRASH BILL IS THE LOWEST BILL I HAVE IN THE CITY, BUT THE SERVICE I GET IS EXCEPTIONAL. AND ANY TIME ANYBODY'S EVER SAID, HEY, I THINK I MISSED THE TRASH DAY OR SOMETHING CAN HOW DO I GET RID OF TRASH? I LITERALLY TEXT TONYA AND EVEN HAVE A SERVICE TO WHERE IF YOU FORGET TO PUT YOUR TRASH OUT, THEY'LL COME AROUND AND PICK IT UP AT NO CHARGE. [00:40:07] AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU THAT NO OTHER BIGGER COMPANY WILL DO THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST YOU'RE JUST A NAME ON A SPREADSHEET. YOU JUST A NUMBER. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS DO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT. I GUESS. AH, WITH US THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE. YOU GUYS DON'T LIVE IN HUTTO, BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT BASED ON THE SENIOR EVENTS. MAYOR, I MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT 93 AS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON ACCEPTING NINE THREES PRESENTED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. PRO TEM GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. NEXT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 95 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO EXECUTE SUPPLEMENT O FOUR TO TASK ORDER 2003 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH [9.5. Consideration and possible action to execute Supplement 04 to Task Order (TO) 03 for professional services with HNTB for design modifications to the FM 1660 South and US 79 Project (HNTB Project No. 3) in the amount of $98,157.22.] H AND TBE FOR DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO THE FM 1660 SOUTH AND US 79 PROJECT H AND TBE PROJECT NUMBER THREE IN THE AMOUNT AS LISTED ON THE AGENDA $98,157.22 THAT THE AMOUNT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE IS LESS THAN THAT AT $77,825.63. AND I ASKED THIS BE PULLED BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF THINGS I GET MORE MESSAGES ON AND IT'S THIS INTERSECTION. SO ANY KIND OF UPDATE WE CAN GET IN TERMS OF ANYTHING I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO HEAR. OKAY, MAYOR, COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. QUICK UPDATE ON THIS PROJECT AND A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS ITEM. SO LAST SPRING WE MET WITH TEXTILE REPRESENTATIVES AND U.P. REPRESENTATIVES AND VISITED THE SITE. LOOK THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLANS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING WAS A DISCOVERY THAT THE. THE TRAFFIC POLES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION THERE ON THE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE 1660 NORTH PROJECT, JIM CAGE. THOSE POLLS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE U.P. RIGHT AWAY. AND SO THAT SPAWNED A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS THERE AS WELL BECAUSE THERE SIDEWALK RAMPS. AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM UP WAS TO HAVE SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS AT THE NORTH INTERSECTION. INCLUDE SIGNAL PREEMPTION. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN THE TRAINS COMING LOCKS DOWN THE ARMS IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, IT ALLOWS TRAFFIC TO GO ON 79, BUT NOT THE CROSS STREETS. WELL, SINCE THAT INTERSECTION AT JIM CAGE AND THE 1660 SOUTH, INTERSECTIONS ARE SO CLOSE, THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER. THAT WOULD HAVE DRASTICALLY DELAYED THE NORTH PROJECT. AND SO AFTER DISCUSSION WITH TEXTILE, WE WE MOVE SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS FAR AS THE THE BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE TO THE SOUTH PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE DESIGN EFFORT IS FOR THIS TASK ORDER. THE PEDESTRIAN RAMPS ARE CROSSING SO THAT BECAUSE THE SIGNAL PREEMPTION WAS INCLUDED IN THE SOUTH CONTRACT, IT WAS NOT IN THE NORTH, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR IT AT THE TIME. FAST FORWARD. SO WE HAVE THE NORTH PROJECT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR THE CONTRACT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND AWARD SOUTH PROJECT. WE IN OCTOBER WE RECEIVED ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE FROM THE FEDERAL RAIL AUTHORITY AND WE HAD BEEN DELAYED IN MAKING RIGHT AWAY OFFERS UNTIL THAT CLEARANCE WAS OBTAINED. AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, TRYING TO FINALIZE THAT ON THE ONE PARCEL THAT WE NEED FOR THAT PROJECT. AT&T IS WORKING ON FINALIZING THE 100% DESIGN DOCUMENTS AND THOSE WILL GO TO TECH START FOR THEIR REVIEW IN MARCH. AND SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WE ARE WE'RE RAPIDLY COMING TO A CLOSE. WE ARE GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT BEHOLDEN TO TECH, STATE AND THE FEDERAL RAIL AUTHORITY TO FINALIZE THEIR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO AGENCIES. WE ARE A PARTY. AS A SUBSET TO THAT AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN TECH, STATE AND AND THE RAIL AUTHORITY. AND SO UNTIL THEY FINALIZE THEIR AGREEMENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE PRESSING TO GET THE DESIGN FINALIZED HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, GET THOSE APPROVALS IN HAND, GET THE RIGHT AWAY. ACQUIRED. AND THEN WE'RE BASICALLY WAITING TO GET THE GREEN LIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD ON CONSTRUCTION. SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROCESS WILL WILL MOVE QUICKLY. [00:45:01] BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO DESIGN, LIKE I SAID, SHOULD BE THE SCHEDULE HAS 100% GO INTO TO TEXT UP FOR THE REVIEW IN MARCH. SO IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. WAIT, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. YOU CAN PROBABLY EXPECT. ALL RIGHT, SO YOU WEREN'T HERE. BUT OVER THE PAST, I THINK MAYOR GORE AND I HAVE BEEN HERE EVERY SUMMER. WE TALK ABOUT THIS ROAD INTERSECTION. AND EACH TIME I ALWAYS ASK, AT WHAT POINT CAN THE CITY LET THE FEED STORE KNOW THAT CURRENTLY ALL THEIR PARKING IS IN RIGHT AWAY? AND SO FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, WE'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT LIKE THAT'S OUR PROPERTY. SO IT'S EASY. WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY. WHICH I GET. BUT FROM A BUSINESS OWNER STANDPOINT, THEY'RE NOT IS. IN THE KNOW ON HOW THESE THINGS WORK. AND SO, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE STREET, THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT CITY PROPERTY. SO THIS BEING RIGHT AWAY, WHAT I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY IS IF SOMEBODY I MEAN, I'LL DO IT IF I HAVE TO, BUT IF SOMEONE CAN GO AND TALK TO THEM AND LET THEM START PREPARING THAT, HEY, IN NINE MONTHS YOU'RE LOSING ALL OF YOUR PARKING FOR YOUR BUSINESS. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, LIKE START DOING IT NOW, BECAUSE WHAT WE TEND TO DO IS GOVERNMENT IS WE JUST COME IN JERSEY BARRIER OFF OUR RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S OURS. AND THEN WHILE YOU GUYS WERE USING THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S YOUR PROBLEM. SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO KIND OF LET THEM KNOW. SO ALONG THOSE LINES, WE'VE MET WITH THE OWNER OF THAT BUSINESS. BACK IN THE SUMMER, IT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE. BUT IT WAS MONTHS BACK ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE. AND TO COMMUNICATE, NUMBER ONE, WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS, WHAT THAT MEANT AND WHAT WAS PROPOSED THERE AND WHAT IMPACTS THAT MAY HAVE ON HIS INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE MET WITH THE OWNER. HE CAME TO CITY HALL. WE WALKED THROUGH THE PROJECT. WE HAD THE TV THERE AS WELL. SO WE'VE HAD THAT COMMUNICATION. WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP AND GIVE AN UPDATE, BUT THE PLANS HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE WHAT WE COMMUNICATED TO HIM AT THAT TIME. SO WE HAVE TO SHARE THOSE THINGS WITH US JUST SO WE KNOW, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES UP AND I ALWAYS THINK THIS POOR GUY HERE, ALL RIGHT, PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ME ABOUT QUIET ZONES AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE PROCESS, BUT I KNOW THIS SEEMED TO BE A CENTRAL POINT IN THIS WHOLE QUIET ZONE. THE OLD PEOPLE, OLDER PEOPLE IN HUDDLE, NOT LIKE AGE, BUT LIVED HERE LONGER. RIGHT. THEY LIKED TRAINS, BUT I THINK SOME PEOPLE BOUGHT SOME HOMES AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A TRAIN THAT RAN THROUGH EVERY 15 MINUTES. AND SO THEY'RE WANTING TO KNOW. CAN YOU TELL US SOME OF WHAT THERE IS A PROCESS TO TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S CALLED A QUIET ZONE, MEANING THE TRAINS WON'T HONK THE HORN WHEN THEY COME THROUGH. THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, NOT ONLY FOR THE PHYSICAL CROSSINGS THEMSELVES, BUT THE SPACING OF THEM AND SO FORTH. WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH U.P. ONE WHEN THEY WERE OUT LAST SPRING. THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING AS PART OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE A QUIET ZONE IN THE FUTURE. FOR EXAMPLE, A TALLER CURB AT THE MEDIAN BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVE AISLES ON ONE OF THE CROSSINGS, SOME OF THE WAY THE ARMS COME DOWN ON THE CROSSINGS. BUT THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WON'T QUALIFY AS A QUIET ZONE. SO FOR HUTTO, YOU'VE GOT THE THE 685 CHRIS KELLEY CROSSING, YOU'VE GOT TIM CAGE AND YOU GOT THE OTHER ONES. SO BETWEEN THOSE SPACINGS, ALL THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS HAVE TO BE IN PLACE AND THEN FRANKLY GET GET UP ON BOARD. IT'S NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THE CITY HASN'T LOOKED AT RECENTLY. AND IT WAS IT WAS LOOKED AT PRELIMINARY IN THE PAST. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN VISIT WITH THEM ABOUT. BUT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES JUST BASED ON THE GEOMETRY AND HUTTO AND WHAT WHAT'S THERE. U.P. HAS BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO CROSS CLOSE EXISTING CROSSINGS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE AT 33, 49 AND 79, AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, SOME OF THE EXISTING OR THE OLD FARM CROSSINGS WERE REQUIRED TO BE CLOSED FOR THAT CROSSING TO BE IMPROVED. U.P., FRANKLY, WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE ALL THE CROSSINGS IF THEY COULD. SO AS FAR AS QUIET ZONES GO, IT'S IT'S A IT'S A BIT OF A PROCESS TO GET TO A POINT TO GET THAT APPROVAL. I CAN'T STAND HERE TODAY AND TELL YOU THAT IT'S A NO BRAINER THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. BUT IT IS POTENTIALLY OUT THERE AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THOSE. [00:50:04] IT REALLY THEY LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR, NOT A PARTICULAR CROSSING. SO MAKING SURE THAT CORRIDOR QUALIFIES AS A CHALLENGE AND AND HOW THAT GETS REVIEWED AND APPROVED. SO SO DOES IT MAKE SENSE IF WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT IT TO NOT POUR A CURB TODAY THAT SAY, WE GOT TO DO THIS IN FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE TO RIP OUT A TALL CURB AND AS IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT A TALLER CURB IN TODAY, KNOWING THAT IT'S A POTENTIAL BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THE COST OF THE HIGHER CURB, IT CAN'T BE SO, SO AND SO FOR THIS PROJECT, WE ARE DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS. BUT IN AND OF THEMSELVES THEY WOULDN'T QUALIFY AS REQUIREMENT. MAYOR COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. JAMES ARP CITY MANAGER. SO I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND I DO THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED IN THEIR STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT THEY WANTED TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE BY DOING QUIET ZONES, WE CAN GO DOWN THAT PATH. JUST KNOW IT'S A 3 TO 5 YEAR WINDOW TO DO THIS TYPE OF STUFF. BUT BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS WITH THE RAILROAD AND THEY THEY HAVE NOBODY IN THE WORLD MAKING THEM MOVE ANY FASTER THAN WHAT THEY WANT TO MOVE. SO THAT SAID, YOU COULD DO IMPROVEMENTS NOW IN ANTICIPATION OF MAKING IT QUIET ZONE ELIGIBLE. AND EVEN STILL THE RAIL COMMISSION OR THE U.P. COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE ACTUALLY NEED YOU TO DO THIS OTHER THING, AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEAR ALL THAT STUFF OUT. SO I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN BOTH WAYS. I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN WHERE THE THINGS THAT WE DID WERE PERFECTLY FINE AND WERE ACCEPTED. AND I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN TO WHERE THE THINGS THAT WE DID, THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE ANGLE OF THE OF THE CROSSING AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IN ANOTHER ONE OF THE LITTLE PLATFORM THINGS CALLED THEY HAVE A NAME BUT WHERE WHERE THE ACTUAL LIKE THE TRACKS GO ACROSS. SO IT'S LIKE THE CONCRETE THINGS YOU DRIVE ACROSS. THEY WANT TO ADD ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, WHICH MEANT THAT THE POLES NEEDED TO MOVE OUT. SO THERE WAS ALL THIS EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. BUT I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO PRIORITIZE AND SAY THIS IS A DESIRE WE HAVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THEN WE CAN START THAT PROCESS AND THEN START MOVING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROTOCOLS. THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT I BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT THIS WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR ELECTION AND, YOU KNOW, OUT AT FRAME SWITCH, YOU KNOW, AT THE RAIL CROSSING OUT THERE, THAT'S JOINT I THINK IS ON TAYLOR SIDE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE A MILE AND A HALF CLEAR THE WHOLE WAY. SO IT'S NOT JUST EVEN OUR CROSSINGS AND HUTTO THAT WE HAVE TO GET AGREEMENT WITH, BUT WE'D HAVE TO WORK TO OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST TO TRY TO GET EITHER STUFF IN THE COUNTY. MORE STUFF FROM TAYLOR. TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM NOT BLOW THE HORN AND HUTTO FOR PEOPLE FURTHER DOWN THAT STILL HAVE A CROSSING. SO IT'S A LOGISTICAL CHALLENGE. NOT THAT I DON'T WANT WOULDN'T MIND HAVING IT, BUT IT'S JUST THAT'S ANOTHER CHANNEL THAT'S A CORRIDOR APPROACH THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY LOOK AT. YOU'RE RIGHT. SURE. I'M THINKING MAYOR PRO TEM FROM LIKE 2019. THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE WORKING ON, WASN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP QUITE A ZONES. IT'S KIND OF SHOCKING WE. THAT'S WHY I ASK THE QUESTION IF I WERE AT OK, HOW FAR SOUTH I GET ASKED A LOT TO ON 1660. HOW FAR SOUTH WE'RE REBUILDING IT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO ALMOST TO LIKE GLENWOOD THE ROAD, I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT. BUT SO PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME, HOW FAR ARE WE REBUILDING 1660 DOWN SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE FIXED. DON'T REMEMBER THE CROSS STREET THERE, BUT IT'S A FEW THOUSAND FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION. THERE'S FRONT AND THEN THERE'S AUSTIN EAST. AUSTIN IS THE NEXT ONE DOWN. I THINK IT'S JUST PAST THAT ONE. BEFORE YOU GET TO THE STORAGE BUILDINGS, ASK THE STORAGE. YEAH. SO, POINT OF ORDER. CAN I ASK DOTTIE, ARE WE GETTING AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM IN THIS DISCUSSION? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE INTERSECTION. I JUST WANTED TO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1660 SOUTH AND 79, RIGHT? THE INTERSECTION. AND THAT'S THE PLAN, RIGHT? SO I'M ASKING ABOUT THE PLAN BECAUSE DEPEND ON WHAT HE SAYS. I MAY ASK FOR A CHANGE ORDER TODAY TO WHERE I WANT SOMETHING MORE THAN. OR WOULD THAT BE? I THINK AFTER WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSION WHERE WE GET THE ROAD THING, WHERE THEY'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE ROADS BECAUSE THEY DROVE THAT ROAD TOO, SO THEY WOULD KNOW WHERE THAT BE A PRIORITY ON THAT DESIGN MODIFICATIONS TO THE INTERSECTION. RIGHT? SO I CAN'T TELL YOU IF THERE'S A DESIGN MODIFICATION COUNCIL MEMBER THAT I'M WANTING TO PROPOSE UNTIL I FIRST FIND OUT THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. AND THEN BASED ON THAT, I MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE DESIGN OR MAKE AN OFFER A MOTION TO CHANGE A DESIGN. I AM NOT MAKING ANY ACCUSATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, ASSUMPTIONS. I'M JUST ASKING OUR CITY ATTORNEY, ARE WE STRAYING FROM THE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING IF IF HE'S STILL WANTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS SO HE CAN MAKE IT THE INTERSECTION, HE HE'S WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM. [00:55:04] SO NOT DOWN 1660, BUT JUST THE INTERSECTION. WHAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT? WE'RE REBUILDING PART OF 1660. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW FAR DOWN WE'RE GOING. I'M NOT EXPECTING THIS TO GO DOWN TO FARLEY, BUT ARE WE GOING DOWN THE FRONT STREET, AUSTIN AVENUE? PEOPLE ASK ME, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S PART OF THIS. I MEAN, WE'RE REBUILDING PART OF 1660, ARE WE NOT? A SHORT PORTION. IT'S IT'S IT'S AUSTIN STREET, WHATEVER THAT SECOND STREET IS THERE. I WILL SAY, MAYOR, THAT I KNOW TEXAS HAS A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE AND I BELIEVE WELL, AT ONE POINT THEY HAD TALKED TO US ABOUT ABOUT AN OVERLAY ON 1660 SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TO 137 AND EAST OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS ON THE SCHEDULE. I CAN FOLLOW UP AND REPORT BACK TO YOU. NO, IT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED HOW FAR THIS ONE WAS GOING TO GO. I THINK IT'S KRISTIN. IS YOUR NAME RIGHT? OKAY. I WAS TALKING TO KRISTEN BEFORE, AND SO WE SAID WE COULDN'T START RIGHT AWAY UNTIL ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE. BUT WHAT STOPS US FROM JUST WALKING UP TO A PROPERTY OWNER AND GOING, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO BUY 100 FEET OF DEPTH ALONG THIS PROJECT. I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET 100%, 100% OF EVERYTHING WHEN WE KIND OF ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE NEED? WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND THIS PROJECT, SINCE THERE'S FEDERAL DOLLARS INVOLVED, YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WHICH WHICH WHICH REQUIRES THAT YOU GET ENVIRONMENTAL CLEARANCE BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE AN OFFER TO A PROPERTY OWNER. AND THAT'S IF YOU USE FED MONEY. SO IF WE JUST USE REGULAR MONEY OUT OF GENERAL REVENUE, THEN WE CAN SKIP THAT, EXCEPT IT'S A FEDERAL PROJECT. SO YOU STILL REQUIRE ALL THIS STUFF? YEAH, SO LONG AS MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND OF COURSE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS SO LONG AS YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING FEDERAL FUNDING IN YOUR PROJECT, IT'S PURELY LOCALLY FUNDED. IT'S NOT STATE FUNDED. IT'S NOT FEDERAL FUNDED. IT'S PURELY LOCALLY FUNDED. THE ONLY REASON THAT YOU THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY WAIT TO GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR OFFERS AT THE END SO YOU'RE NOT PROCURING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO NEED. YOU'RE BEING MORE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD GENERALLY GO BUY RIGHT AWAY OR EASEMENTS OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN CONDEMNATION, THEN THERE'S A CERTAIN PARTICULAR PROCESS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR THAT TOO. SO SO SO IT'S A MULTIPRONGED ANSWER, BUT THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU COULD JUST GO BUY LAND. I MEAN, I'VE DONE IT BEFORE IN MY POSITION, JUST WE WENT AND BOUGHT LAND. WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO PUT A ROAD THERE IN THE FUTURE. WE WENT AND BOUGHT THE LAND, YOU KNOW, 120 FOOT. WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE ACTUAL ALIGNMENT LATER. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, ANY TIME YOU INVOLVE THE STATE, THE RAILROAD, OR THE OR THE FEDS, IT COMPLICATES EVERYTHING. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION DOES ALL THREE. BUT WE COULD JUST USE STRAIGHT GENERAL REVENUE MONEY SEPARATE FROM THE PROJECT. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT SEEMS LIKE WE GET TO USUALLY WHENEVER AND I MEAN FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I GET THIS WRONG, BUT USUALLY ONCE $1 OF FEDERAL MONEY COMES INTO A PROJECT, EVERYTHING IN THAT PROJECT HAS TO FOLLOW THE ENTIRETY OF THE FEDERAL PROCUREMENT PROCESS. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE SPLITTING IT OR THIS PART OF IT IS JUST US AND THAT PART OF IT TO THEM, IF THEY PUT $1 IN, YOUR ENTIRE THING HAS TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. OKAY. WELL, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WAITING UNTIL WE'RE FULLY DESIGNED, RIGHT. THEN WE GO TO GET RIGHT AWAY AND WE'RE ADDING 6 TO 9 MONTHS ON SOME CRITICAL PROJECTS THAT IF WE DON'T HURRY AND GET THEM BUILT AND TO TAG ALONG TO WHAT CITY MANAGER SAID, ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR THE SOUTH PROJECT AND THE REASON WHY THERE'S A SEPARATE ONE. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THE DRAFT, THEY WERE ALL THREE TOGETHER BECAUSE THE FEDERAL DOLLARS WERE INVOLVED. THAT TRIGGERED SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. WE IN COOPERATION, WORKING WITH TEXAS, WE SAID LET'S SPLIT THEM UP BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN, THE OTHER TWO DOWN. SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE'S A STANDALONE AGREEMENT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. TWO OTHER QUICK ONES. WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HOW WE'RE TIMING ALL THE ROAD PROJECTS WE'RE DOING IN HUTTO. AND SO WHEN THIS ONE BLOWS UP, I THINK THE LATEST I SAW WAS CONSTRUCTION WOULD START AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. DO WE HAVE A PLAN IN TERMS OF THAT'S GOING ON? WE ALSO HAVE THE SOUTHEAST LOOP. DO WE KNOW LIKE, I GUESS MY FEAR IS, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE TRAPPED ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN TO WHERE THEY CAN'T? GET THROUGH UNLESS YOU TAKE CARL STERN OVER TO 685, WHICH IS ALREADY KIND OF ITS OWN CLUSTER. DO WE HAVE SOME KIND OF STAGING PLAN OR HAVE YOU COORDINATED WITH THE COUNTY? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DOING 1616 137. THE FIRST. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. TO WHICH THEN MAYBE WONDER IF I LIVED IN GLENWOOD, I'D BE AFRAID TO. SO I JUST PRAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. I JUST BRING UP I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COMING UP HERE THAT HOW ARE WE GOING TO LET THE PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH GET TO THE NORTH? [01:00:08] WELL, MAYOR, I THINK I WAS PRETTY MUCH TOLD JUST TEAR UP EVERYTHING ALL AT THE SAME TIME AND GET IT DONE RIGHT. THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY. YOU MAY SAY THAT. ALL I CAN SAY IS, WELL, AT LEAST WE TALKED ABOUT IT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, LET'S JUST DEAL WITH IT FOR SIX MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW. GENERALLY SPEAKING, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME WISDOM TO THAT AS THE PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD. EACH PROJECT THAT THEN COMES FORWARD WITH THEIR TRAFFIC PLAN AS OPPOSED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SURROUNDING CONDITIONS. BUT HOW FAR IS THAT SURROUNDING CONDITION? ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE OTHER QUADRANT OF TOWN? PROBABLY NOT SO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT, IS IF WE HAVE THESE THREE PROJECTS GO IN ORDER, WHAT DO WE ANTICIPATE THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACT TO BE GOING FORWARD? SO. THE LAST ONE, THE COUNTY DOES A GOOD JOB WITH THIS. WITH THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, THEY THROW OUT SOME PERSPECTIVE PLANS, IF YOU WILL, THAT KIND OF HAVE WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE. AND I'LL BE HONEST, THE LAST TIME I SAW THESE PLANS WAS PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO. AND I REMEMBER I WAS TALKING THERE'S LIKE HUGE RETAINING WALLS GOING ON THE SOUTH END OF THE INTERSECTION AND. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SHARE SOMETHING SINCE WE'RE AT 100%, ARE LIKE 90? CAN WE SHARE LIKE WITH THE BIG PRELIMINARY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDS GOT TO BE THAT WITH SO SO PERFECT TIMING OF BRINGING THIS UP. SO STARTING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING CIP UPDATES AT AT THE ONE MEETING A MONTH, EVERY MEETING OR EVERY MONTH. SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WHAT STAGES THEY'RE IN. IF WE HAVE DESIGN CRITERIA, WE'VE MET THE 30% THRESHOLD. WE CAN WE CAN THROW UP A GRAPHIC OF THE 30%. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THE BUDGET SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE'RE IN IMPLEMENTATION FOR THAT BUDGET SOFTWARE ALSO LENDS ITSELF TO HAVING SIP PAGES, WHICH THEN IN TURN IS PLACES WE CAN PARK. THE TYPES OF INFORMATION YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. WHAT ARE THE SCHEMATICS LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED BUILD OUT LOOK LIKE? THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS AS WE AS WE CONTINUE TO COLLECT THEM? SO SO YES, WE CAN'T ON THIS SPECIFIC ONE, WE HAVE 60% TODAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, WE HAVE 60% TODAY. SO WE CAN SHOW WE CAN DISCLOSE WHAT THE 60% LOOKS LIKE. BUT GOING FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE STARTING TO SEE THESE ITEMS COMING REGULARLY TO COUNCIL AT LEAST MONTHLY. ANY ANY MORE OFTEN THAN THAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET REAL UPDATED INFORMATION, BUT AT LEAST THAT'LL SLOW DOWN MY FACEBOOK POSTINGS BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON THE WEBSITE. I CAN JUST WE CAN, AS A CITY, CAN TRAIN EVERYBODY TO JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE THE SCHEMATICS INSTEAD OF. BEES AND BLUE BEAMS. I'M TRYING TO BUILD MORE AND MORE INFORMATION TO WHERE IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND TO INTERACT WITH SO THEY CAN GENERATE THEIR QUESTIONS AND GIVE FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS. WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKING THE PUBLIC TO GIVE US INPUT, BUT THEN IT'S DIFFICULT MANY TIMES TO FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS THE INFORMATION WE'RE ASKING THEM TO INPUT ON. SO. OKAY, COOL. THANKS, [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. SO MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 95 AS PRESENTED AND. WHAT WAS THE UPDATED AMOUNT? YOU SAID 77,000. CAN YOU DO IT AT $77,825.63. OKAY. SO MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK APPROVING NINE FOUR AS PRESENTED AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGE OF $77,825.63. AS LISTED IN THE PACKET, NOT IN THE ITEM NUMBER. ALL SECOND. AND TO CLARIFY, IT'S ITEM NINE FIVE. YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY. NINE FOUR. I GOT TOO MUCH RIDING ON THIS. OK NINE FIVE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON AYE.COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. MOTION PAST THE SEVEN ZERO. LINE SIX IS EXEC. I BELIEVE THAT BRINGS YOU TO ITEM NINE EIGHT. [9.8. Consideration and possible action on the adoption of Ordinance No. O-2023-003 amending Section 10.609, Parkland and open space dedication, of the Hutto Unified Development Code to update the minimum standards related to parkland and open space dedication requirements. (First Reading) (Jeff White) a. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-003 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13. (Legal)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER ZERO DASH 2020 3-003 AMENDING SECTION 10.609 PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATION OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO UPDATE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS RELATED TO PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS. ALL RIGHT. SO I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I WANTED MORE CLARIFICATION. SO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT, I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS MONEY IF PEOPLE START PAYING IN LIEU OF. AND THEN I GOT A RESPONSE ABOUT SOME. [01:05:03] THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR LAND ACQUISITION OF PARKS AND FOR 2023, THE PLANS TO SPEND ABOUT 250,000 FOR LIGHTING AT MEGA FIELDS, 500,000 FOR SOLAR LIGHTING IN THE PARKS, 50,000 FOR WAYFINDING SIGNAGE AND 50,000 FOR CONCRETE TRAIL REPAIRS. HERE'S MY CONCERN. WE JUST PASSED A BUDGET THREE MONTHS AGO. NONE OF THIS WAS DISCUSSED. NONE OF THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET. AND SO I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOT THE IDEA TO SPEND THE MONEY, BUT. I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT WE'RE AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO CHARGE DEVELOPERS TO GIVE US MONEY TO IMPROVE OUR PARKS. BUT I'VE BEEN PUSHING IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR OUR PARKS, AND WE ENDED UP NOT DOING ONE. AND THEN IT STARTED FEELING LIKE A PLAN IS STARTING TO GO. SO IT'S MORE OF A. LIKE A PUBLIC THING. AT SOME POINT, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS AS A COUNCIL WITH WHOMEVER THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE PARKS? BECAUSE LIKE ME PERSONALLY, I HAVEN'T SEEN A PLAN FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN SOLAR LIGHTING. BUT IF I DID A PUBLIC POLL, MY GUESS IS THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND $500,000 ON SOLAR. THEY'D RATHER SPEND 500,000 ON SWING SETS. OTHER TRAILS, OTHER THINGS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT UNTIL WE HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION, THE COUNCIL LIKE US RESERVE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY ON BECAUSE IT THIS MAY BE A GOOD DOWN PAYMENT ON THE $5 MILLION FRITTS PARK THING, BUT AS I SAW THE BUDGET. THERE'S I MAY HAVE THIS WRONG. THERE'S WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START THE YEAR WITH ALMOST 2.1 MILLION IN THE FUND AND FINISH IT WITH 2.4, BARRING ANY NEW CHANGES. SO I WOULD LIKE US WHEN WE'RE TALKING CIP PROJECTS TO START HAVING DISCUSSION COMING UP RATHER SOON. WHAT ARE WE GOING DO WITH 2.4 MILLION? IF WE WANT TO KEEP BANKING IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF THESE PEOPLE START PAYING ALL THIS MONEY, I THINK WE AT LEAST HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS WE CAN TELL THE PUBLIC. THIS IS WHY WE'RE PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO X, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE PASS AN ORDINANCE. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY I PULLED THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN AS A GROUP KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. 2023 I WANT TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN SOME PARKS, AND I'M HOPING THIS FUND HERE SHOULDERS THE BURDEN OF THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THE PARKS CIP PROJECTS, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DELIVERED TO US. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE WE WERE SO FOCUSED ON WATER, WASTEWATER, TRANSPORTATION LAST YEAR. SO OF COURSE WE KNOCKED OUT A GOOD BIT OF THAT. SO I THINK THAT THIS BUDGET CYCLE WE COULD REALLY FOCUS ON PARKS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, WE NEED TO DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY FOR PROJECTS AND SPEND IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S MONEY THERE. IT SHOULDN'T JUST SIT. AND OUR PARKS DEFINITELY NEED A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT. LOVE EXPANDING. WE'RE DOWN ON OUR ACREAGE FOR THE CITY. SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OUT THERE SPENDING TIME AND ENERGY ON SOLAR LIGHTS AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT UP HERE. WE MAY WANT THAT. WE MAY NOT. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCIL. I CAN ASSURE YOU, IF THE ITEM ISN'T BUDGETED, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE THAT WE WILL SPEND. SO WE WILL NOT SPEND IT WITHOUT COMING TO COUNCIL AND ASKING FOR APPROVAL AND AUTHORIZATION AND A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT SAID, THESE TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW ARE THE EXACT TYPES OF THINGS THAT COME OUT OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING INITIATIVE. SO WHENEVER SO REMEMBER THEM. WHENEVER WE GET TO MARCH AND WE'RE DOING STRATEGIC PLANNING, THAT'S WHEN YOU ALL AS A BODY WILL START DECIDING WHAT STAFF NEEDS TO PRIORITIZE OVER WHAT OTHER THINGS. AND IF PARKS IS THE THING THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING, THAT HELPS US AS WE COME AND START DEVELOPING OK WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BRING FOR PROPOSALS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN THE WAY OF PLANNING? IF WE HAVE THE FRITZ PARK AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION ON FRITZ PARK, YOU KNOW, BRING ALL THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL SETTING THE PRIORITIES THAT THEN DRIVES THE STAFF'S REACTION TO TO WHAT THE COUNCIL IS SAYING. IS THERE POLITICAL WILL? THAT'S HOW THE BUDGET PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. SO THAT WAY WE'RE PROPOSING THINGS THAT ARE IN LINE WITH WHAT GOALS YOU ALL WANT TO ACHIEVE. BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM. IF I DO, IF WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW ORDINANCE FOR REVENUE, LET'S CALL THIS A REVENUE ORDINANCE, THEN HOW MUCH? NOWHERE DOES IT SHOW US HOW MUCH WE ANTICIPATE IT TO. GENERATE. AND SO WE CAN MEET ALL WE WANT IN MARCH. BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE ANTICIPATED TO HAVE, THERE'S 2 MILLION SITTING THERE. IF YOU GUYS SAY, LOOK, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE AN EXTRA 3 MILLION THIS NEXT YEAR BUDGETED, THEN WE CAN HAVE IDEAS OF 5 MILLION PROJECTS. BUT IF WE HAVE THIS SAME INFORMATION IN MARCH, WE CAN ONLY REALLY JUSTIFY 2 MILLION IN SPENDING. AND JUST ANY TIME I SEE A FEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO START COLLECTING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE SHOW THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THE FEES. HERE'S SOME OF OUR PLANS. AND I KNOW WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PARKS EMPLOYEE UP UNTIL I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN JEFF STARTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO. [01:10:06] WELL, SO WE'VE ALREADY COME A LONG WAY IN THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOW PRIORITIZING PARKS. SO I JUST BRING THAT UP THAT A LIST OF PLANS, I GUESS I'M ASKING FOR WHAT STAFF THINKS IS IMPORTANT BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK. AND THEN WE CAN THEN DO THAT. AND THEN BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO BRING IN TERMS OF REVENUE, AND THEN WE MAY WANT TO THROW GENERAL REVENUE MONEY IN PROPERTY TAXES, I DON'T KNOW. SO SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT. FOR, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT. WHERE WERE THE CART HAS GOTTEN BEFORE THE HORSE? THIS IS ONE OF THEM. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS, YOU HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING IN TO GET ENTITLED THAT DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE RULE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN ADOPTED, BUT YET YOU DON'T HAVE THE MASTER PLAN IN PLACE AND ACCEPTED THAT WOULD TELL YOU WHAT FEE IS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE COLLECTING. SO THAT WAY YOU'RE IT'S KIND OF HOW YOU SET YOUR IMPACT FEES SO SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY REACTING IN A WAY THAT SURPRISES ME. JUST KNOW THAT I DO KNOW THAT THE MASTER PLAN, THE PARKS PLAN IS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT JEFF HAS ON HIS LIST AND THE PARKS BOARD HAS ON THEIR LIST TO BE TO BE WORKING UPON. BUT THE ORDINANCE THAT IS IS COMING BEFORE YOU ALLOWS US AS DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN AND ENTITLING NOW FOR US TO HAVE A WAY TO COLLECT FEES AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WE CHANGE THAT NUMBER, THAT'S FINE TO MATCH WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE OVER HERE, BUT AT LEAST THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ENTITLED ARE CONTRIBUTING SOMETHING. SURE. SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN IS THE FEE SCHEDULE GOING TO BE COMING BACK? IS IT GOING TO BE ON THE 19TH OR IS IT GOING TO BE IN FEBRUARY? SO IDEALLY, IT WAS IT WILL BE WE'RE LOOKING AT FORECASTING THE 16TH OF FEBRUARY IS THE DAY WE'LL DO THAT AND THE IDEALLY IN FEBRUARY 2ND, IF THIS GETS ADOPTED, WE'LL BRING BACK AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WITH THIS UPDATED LANGUAGE IN IT. AND THEN ON THE 16TH WE'LL HAVE THE PROPOSED FEE ANALYSIS COMPLETED FOR FOR THESE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO. THIS IS DETERMINED AT FINAL PLAT. AS FAR AS WHEN IT'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING, WHATEVER IT GOES, FEES GET SET AT PLAT SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FINAL PLOT. SO THE PLOT, DO THEY SET THE FEE AT THAT POINT IN TIME? AND THEN IF THEY DO PHASING, THEN THE DIFFERENT PHASES COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE DIFFERENT FEES. BUT SO YEAH. SO YES AND NO. IT'S AT PLOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALWAYS JUST FINAL PLOT. OKAY. AND IF THEY DO A RE PLOTTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THEY DO A RE PLOT THEN THE, THEN THE RATES RESET. SO I'M JUST WONDERING. BETWEEN NOW AND. FEBRUARY 16TH BECAUSE WE ALREADY KIND OF LAUGHED AT THE ACTUAL FEE SCHEDULE IN THE AMOUNT ARE WE GOING TO BE BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE I'M NOT TERRIBLY WORRIED COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE HOPPER WAITING TO GET ENTITLED THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN TWO MEETINGS. I'M NOT TERRIBLY WORRIED ABOUT. I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE THREAT. WELL, SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY GET ENTITLED. SURE, POTENTIALLY. BUT EVERYBODY LAST YEAR ALSO. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THINKING OF COUNCIL. WE THOUGHT, OH, WE PASS THIS IMPACT FEES. WHERE ARE ALL THESE IMPACT FEES WHEN IN REALITY ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET HIT WITH THOSE FEES BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, THEY HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING MAY BE A REALLY LARGE LUMP SUM COMING INTO THE PARK LAND. ALL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN THE PIPELINE FOR SOME TIME. SO MORE THAN LIKELY, THESE NEXT COUPLE OF ONES THAT WE SEE OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO MAY NOT EVEN BE CAPTURED IN THIS FEE. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, I GUESS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF ECONOMIC LEVELS WHICH MAY NOT BE HOMES AND THOSE AREN'T YET AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMING OVER THE NEXT YEAR. I THINK THIS IS GREAT. SO UNLESS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED AND TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING. SECOND, CAN WE DO IT ANYWAY, THE SECOND READING IN THE SAME ACTION, OR DO WE HAVE TO DO IT AND THEN DO IT AGAIN AS A SECOND, AS A WAY OF THE SECOND? I WOULD DO IT AND THEN DO AIDS. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY SUTTON COUNCIL MEMBER SETTING APPROVING NINE EIGHT IS PRESENTED. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE., MAYOR SNYDER. AYE., COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE.. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. SEVEN ZERO. AND YOU STILL WISH TO READ THE SECOND READING? I DO, SIR. SECOND WAIVING OF THE SECOND READING BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. [01:15:01] COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. THERE. SNYDER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO. GO BACK TO 93 AND WAIVE THE SECOND READING. NO, BECAUSE IT'S A. IT'S A UTILITY. WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, THEN WE'LL TALK. [10.1. Consideration and possible action to approve Resolution No. R-2023-005, approving the advance funding agreement for an on-system improvement project at FM 1660 South at US 79; and authorizing the City Manager to execute the agreement on behalf of the City of Hutto. (Wade Benton)] WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM TEN. ONE CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER ART 2020 3-005, APPROVING THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR AN ON SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AT FM 1660 SOUTH AT US 79 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. SO I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. SO WITH US JUST PASSING THIS BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE NUMBERS WERE PUTTING IN. IN OUR AGENDA. REPORTS ARE NOT MATCHING UP WITH WHAT WE PUT ON OUR THE CIP PLAN. AND SO IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE CONCERNED. AND LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ON TEN ONE, IT SAID AVAILABLE BUDGET $4.583 MILLION. AND WHEN I GO DOWN 1660 SOUTH AT 79. WE HAVE 3.716. SO WE'RE OFF ABOUT. $800,000. LIKE NOW IT'S HIGHER. THIS IS SAYING THE BUDGET FOR IT'S $800,000 IS HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS. WE JUST PASSED THE BUDGET THREE MONTHS AGO. AND SO THAT GOT ME. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, I GUESS. HOW'D ALL THAT HAPPEN? WELL, THE I THINK FROM WORKING WITH FINANCE, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET ALL THAT SQUARED AWAY. SO THE THE. THE AVAILABLE BUDGET OR WHAT WAS SET UP IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. BUDGET IS IS THE 3.6 OR 3.7 I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID. YEAH. AND REALLY THE WAY THIS IS SET UP. AND I'LL TAKE THE BLAME FOR THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXPENDITURE AS IT'S LISTED IS BASED ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE AGREEMENT. RIGHT. SO WHICH JUST MEANS THAT THAT'S THE MINIMUM I'LL CALL IT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WHAT'S BEEN ACTUALLY SPENT TO DATE IS A LITTLE LESS THAN 1 MILLION ON THIS PROJECT. SO AND THAT INCLUDES DESIGN RIGHT AWAY. COST, TOO, OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION. THE CITY'S PORTION ON CONSTRUCTION. SO WE DO NEED TO CLEAN UP THE DOLLARS ON THIS ONE TO GET THE THE THE BUDGET TO TO MATCH UP. AND WE'LL WORK WITH FINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PRESENTED ACCURATELY. YEAH. WHEN IT COMES TO THE ITEM AGENDA REPORT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. RIGHT. IN MAYOR I'D ACTUALLY ASKED ONE OTHER THING OF OF STAFF AND I POSTED IT ON THE CITY FORM THAT I WANTED US TO START LOOKING AT AS WE GET TO. PROBABLY I'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE NEW BUDGETING SOFTWARE. BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE PROPOSED EXPENDITURE. BUT THEN HOW MUCH OF THAT EXPOSED PASSENGER IS ABOVE OR BELOW? WHAT WAS PART FOR THAT PORTION OF IT? IT'S LIKE, YES, YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT, BUT DID YOU BLOW THROUGH WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND FOR THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME OF DESIGN OR WHATEVER? SO IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'VE GOT 2.8. WE SPENT WE HAVE 1.7 LEFT, BUT WE THINK THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS GOING TO NEED TO. THEN WE'RE 250,000 SHORT, WHEREAS THAT'S NOT KIND OF LIKE THERE'S NO WAY TO SEE THAT FROM HERE. SO THAT WAS THE UPDATE THAT I ASKED ABOUT ON THE. I WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT CLARIFICATION HERE FROM WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE FORM YESTERDAY. 100% AGREE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY NOT TO REHASH THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE BORROWING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS JUST TO HAVE IT SITTING THERE. AND I KNOW THAT EVERY ESTIMATE IS THAT IT'S AN ESTIMATE THAT IT'S LIKE A WAG ESTIMATE AND A SWAG ESTIMATE. AND THERE'S ONE THAT BASED ON. LIKE TO BE BASED ON EVERY DAY THEY'RE DOING COST ESTIMATES. THEY CAN SAY LOOK TO MOBILIZE A GROUP RIGHT NOW COST 50,000. AND SO THEN OUR ESTIMATE OUGHT TO BE 50. BUT IF IT COMES OUT AND WE'RE BUDGETING 20 AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S 50 IN THE INDUSTRY AND YOU GET ALL THIS DONE AND WE END UP A MILLION OR 2 MILLION OFF. BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIAL IT DOWN TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEN I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. THEN YOU OVER ESTIMATE TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE HAPPY IF YOU COME IN UNDER BUDGET. [01:20:04] RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT THEN I GET JUST AS WORKED UP ON UNDER BUDGET BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL THEN WE JUST BROUGHT A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T NEED. SO WHATEVER SOFTWARE WE NEED, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET TO RUN BUDGETS, SO I GET THAT TOO, THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE WELL, HOW WE CAN STILL FUNCTION. BUT SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH. ONE OF THE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE CIP REPORT THAT WILL BE COMING TO COUNCIL IS THE PROJECT NAME, RIGHT? THE DESCRIPTION, WHAT IT WAS BUDGETED FOR, WHAT THE TASK ORDER IS ACTUALLY SET AT. AND THEN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE THOSE DELTAS ARE, AT LEAST ON THE UP FRONT PART. THEN AS WE ACTUALLY EXPEND FUNDS, MAYBE WE DON'T EXPEND EVERYTHING OR WE SPEND LESS OR WE RUN INTO SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW AND THEN WE'VE GOT TO AMEND THINGS. BUT YOU'LL HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT RUN OVER AND YOU'LL HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT GO UNDER, BUT BUT WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE IT AND THE WHOLE PICTURE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SURE IF YOU HAVE MORE PROJECTS RUNNING OVER IN A BAD WAY THAN YOU DO SAVINGS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE ATTEMPT OF DOING THE CIP REPORTS IS NOT JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, BUT ALSO SO AT LEAST THE BASIC INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW TO BE ABLE TO SPOT SOMETHING REALLY QUICK THAT SEEMS OUT OF A LINE YOU CAN DO. WHAT WILL WE INCLUDE? LIKE HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT TO DATE ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM? PROBABLY NOT, BECAUSE THOSE THOSE THOSE THINGS CAN COME IN BIG CHUNKS. BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, ONCE WE GO OUT AND WE SCOPE SOMETHING AND WE SAY, HEY, THE TASK ORDER FOR THIS IS A MILLION BUCKS AND WE BUDGETED 900,000, THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT REAL QUICK BUDGETED 900,000 TASK ORDER 1 MILLION, RIGHT ON THE CIP ON THE SLIDES AND STUFF AS WE UPDATE THEM. SO I HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT AS WELL. AT FIRST I LOOKED AT THE NUMBER AND ALSO KIND OF DID THE EYEBROW RAISE. BUT IF YOU RECALL, WE GET 1.5 MILLION FROM THE CHRISTIE GRANT. SO IF YOU ADD WHAT WE BUDGETED PLUS THE CHRISTIE GRANT FUNDS MINUS THE ROUGHLY 700,000 THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, YOU GET THE NUMBER THERE, THE 4.5. YEAH, WE'RE NOT IN FINANCE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHY THEY'RE SAYING THE AVAILABLE BUDGET IS 4.5. I THINK THAT'S TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE CHRISTIE GRANT FUNDING GOING ON TOP OF WHAT WE APPROVED IN OUR BUDGET AND THEN MINUSES OUT THE 700,000 ROUGHLY THAT'S ALREADY GONE INTO IT WITH DESIGN. SO IF YOU DO THAT, THAT COMES UP WITH ROUGHLY THAT 4.5 NUMBER. SO WE KNOW HOW TO GET THE 4.5 BECAUSE THEY GAVE US SOME MATH ON THAT. BUT I'M GETTING AT IS ON THE FISCAL NOTE PART ON THE SHEET WE PASS IN THE BUDGET. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THIS YEAR YOU SAID WE SPENT 700,000. WE HAVE BUDGETED FISCAL YEAR 2023, 117,000. I'M SAYING I'M SAYING JOB TO DATE. IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOME SENSE. SO WHEN THIS SAYS 3.7 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO SPEND OR THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT WAS. THAT'S THAT IS THE THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT WAS THE CITY'S PORTION FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY. SO TOTAL PORTION. SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING CONFUSED AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING IN THIS YEAR, 117,000 IS WRITTEN IN THIS NUMBER, BUT IN REALITY IT'S 707,000. SO DOES THAT MEAN NEXT YEAR INSTEAD OF 3.1, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE 2.7? OR DOES THAT MEAN IN FISCAL 25 WE DON'T NEED IT? BECAUSE AS WE START AS A COUNCIL, I REALLY DIG IT IN AND BORROWING WHAT WE NEED AS WE GO FORWARD, WHAT I WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOME WAY TO WHERE WHEN WE START PROJECTING THESE THINGS OUT, WE HAVE GOOD, ACCURATE PROJECTIONS BECAUSE TODAY AT 700,000, YOU GUYS MAY COME IN ON A BRIDGE AND SAY IT'S LIKE 12 MILLION OFF. AND WE'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO STOP CONSTRUCTION ON THE BRIDGE. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. NOW, ANY TIME YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT RUN MULTIPLE YEARS, IT JUST GETS COMPLICATED. IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE WE WE HAVE TO APPROPRIATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND THEN THE PROJECTS LIVE LONGER THAN THAT. SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ANNUAL BASIS. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A WINDOW OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT YEAR OR WHAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND THAT YEAR. ALTHOUGH OVERALL WE MIGHT SPEND $5 MILLION, WE MAY ONLY SPEND 300,000 THIS YEAR AND THEN 5 MILLION THIS YEAR, WHATEVER IT IS. SO IT GETS COMPLICATED. WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY OF SHOWING THAT MAYBE WE CAN PUT ON THERE LIKE FISCAL YEAR 20, FISCAL YEAR 21, FISCAL YEAR 22. LIKE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS SPENT EACH FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE TO THE DETAIL OF THE INFORMATION. AND WE DID GET THAT. AND THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT SOME OF WHAT THE MAYOR IS REFERRING TO. BUT MINE WITH THOSE EXACT NUMBERS IS DATED FROM JULY 20TH OF 2022. SO THAT OBVIOUSLY COST OF EVERYTHING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FINANCIALLY AND DIFFERENT. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME NUMBERS FROM JULY, I MEAN ROUGHLY. I'VE DONE SOMETHING. I SHOULDN'T CHANGE THAT DRASTICALLY. I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT DEFINITELY CHANGES ARE TO BE EXPECTED WITH ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. [01:25:03] SO I'M NOT ARTICULATING SOMETHING RIGHT. THIS IS IN A BUDGET THAT WE WE JUST APPROVED. WE JUST APPROVE THIS THREE MONTHS AGO. IT ONLY SAYS 117,000. THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS FROM JULY 20TH OR 2022. OKAY. SO MY POINT BEING, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE NOT SKYROCKETED IN THREE MONTHS. IF ANYTHING, THEY'VE COME DOWN. AND IF WE'VE ALREADY SPENT I'M SURE YOU GUYS DIDN'T SPEND 700,000 IN THE PAST 60 DAYS ON A PROJECT. ALL I'M ASKING IS WE'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS WHEN WE'RE DOING BUDGETS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE RAN OUT OF MONEY AS A CITY ONCE BEFORE, BECAUSE AND I'M NOT SURE WHO'S DOING IT, BUT IF WE HAVE 115,000 OUR BUDGET AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE CLOSER TO A MILLION, I MEAN, WE JUST STARTED THE YEAR. WE HAVE NINE MORE MONTHS. WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 700. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE? IS IT 2 MILLION? IS IT 3 MILLION? AND THANK GOD WE BORROWED MORE MONEY. AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS RIGHT. WE SHOULD HAVE BORROWED MORE MONEY BECAUSE I LOOKED AT 15 MILLION IN PROJECTS AND I SAID, WE NEED LIKE 20, WE SHOULD BE FINE. BUT NOW MAYBE WE NEED NOT 15, 17. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET, IS THE INFORMATION WE GOT WHEN WE'RE NINE MONTHS INTO THE FISCAL YEAR. I GET IT, THE NUMBERS GET FURTHER APART. BUT DANG, I MEAN, WE'RE IN Q1 AND ALREADY. WE HAVE DRASTIC CHANGES, WHICH MAKES ME NOT TRUST THE NUMBERS. WE HAD TO DO THE BUDGET, BUT THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT AS SOMEHOW WE NEED BETTER SOFTWARE, BETTER, I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING THAT WAY. I AND OTHERS CAN TRUST THE NUMBERS AND KNOWING THAT WHEN YOU PUT A MILLION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T COME IN 1,000,001 OR MEAN TWO OR SOMETIMES 2 MILLION, BUT. THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT. I'M JUST PULLING NUMBERS OUT OF THE BUDGET. BUT OH, AND IN THAT IT SHOWS IT GOES TO ORGAN STREET. YOU WERE ASKING BEFORE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, BECAUSE I SAW IT IN THERE. BUT THEN I'D NEVER HEARD WE WERE GOING TO THE GAME BEFORE. ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO WE GET? WE'VE ALREADY BEEN AWARDED THE CHRISTIE GRANT, CORRECT? YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. THE RESOLUTION ARE TO ZERO 20 3-005 APPROVING THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT FOR AN ON SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR 1660 SOUTH AT US 79 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THAT AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. TEM GORDON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM TEN TO CONSIDERATION. [10.2. Consideration and possible action to approve Resolution No. R-2023-006 to award the FM 1660 North at US 79 Operational Improvements Project (CSJ No. 1566-01-017) to the lowest responsive bidder, Aaron Concrete Contractors, in the amount of $637,042.00 and authorizing the City Manager to execute the construction contract with Aaron Concrete Contractors. (Wade Benton).] POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER ART 2020 3006 TO AWARD THE FM 1660 NORTH AT US 79 OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT CCGG NUMBER 1566201017 TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER. AARON CONCRETE CONTRACTORS IN THE AMOUNT OF $637,042 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH AARON CONCRETE CONTRACTORS. SO I HAD A QUESTION ON THIS ONE ORIGINALLY. OBVIOUSLY, THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE WAS 440,000 CAME IN AT 637. MY QUESTION IS, WHEN DID AGENT B PROVIDE THAT ESTIMATE? BECAUSE IF THEY GAVE THAT ESTIMATE IN OCTOBER AND THEN THEY'RE OFF BY 33% THREE MONTHS LATER, THAT'S AN ISSUE. IF THEY PROVIDED THAT ESTIMATE TWO YEARS AGO AND THEN FOR TWO YEARS WE DIDN'T DO THE PROJECT AND NOW WE GET TO 600,000. IT'S A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD ABOUT IT. SO THEIR THEIR ESTIMATE WAS PROVIDED PRIOR TO TO START APPROVING THE LETTING, WHICH WAS BACK IN LATE SUMMER. I WILL SAY TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, THAT AND TEXT JUST RELEASED THE NUMBERS THIS LAST WEEK, WHICH THEY DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS, ENGINEERS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME BEING THE LOW BIDDER ON PROJECTS ARE THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP SOME CRAZY PERCENTAGES. I MEAN I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THERE'S DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES OVER THE LAST 6 TO 9 MONTHS ON A VARIETY OF PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS DISTRICT. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS YOU NOTICED, WE HAD TWO BIDDERS. [01:30:03] OUR CONTRACTOR I'VE HAD WORKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. THEY DO PROJECTS ALL OVER THIS AREA. WE WENT OUT AND BEAT THE BUSHES ON THIS ONE TO GET BIDDERS. WE EXTENDED THE BID DATE TO TRY TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL BIDDERS AS WELL. I WAS FRANKLY DISAPPOINTED. WE ONLY GOT TWO BIDDERS, BUT WE DID AND OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THEM WAS WAS WAY OFF THE MARK. THE OTHER ONE WAS A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT WE HAD ESTIMATED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS GREATER THAN THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE AT THE TIME. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'VE SEEN THIS ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE IN THE LAST YEAR ON PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH. SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I FELT LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD CONTRACTOR FOR THIS PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION FOR AWARD. SO MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT, IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME FOR A SECOND, IS THAT IS THAT IT SHOWS OUR AVAILABLE BUDGET WAS 674,000. SO WAS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU STAFF THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS GOING TO COME IN AT OR IS THAT THE 674 WAS ASSUMING YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A 400,000 FOR THIS PHASE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 200,000 THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON ANOTHER PART OF THE PROJECT THAT NOW WE'RE $200,000 IN THE HOLE FOR THIS ENTIRE PROJECT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I WAS LEADING TO WITH THE MY COMMENTS ON THE FORUM IS THAT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THIS ITEM FOR THAT. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE CLARIFICATION I WANTED AS WELL. RIGHT. WELL, THAT BUDGET WAS BASED ON OUR BEST INFORMATION WE HAD AT THE TIME AND AND THIS PAST SUMMER BASED ON THE CURRENT ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECT. SO. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO BE HAVE SOME SOME BUFFER THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE AT THIS POINT. SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL COMING UNDER BUDGET, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. SO LET ME ASK THIS. WHAT HAVE WE SPENT TO DATE? GOT THAT ANSWER YET? WELL, I JUST MENTIONED THAT WHILE AGO ON THE. WHAT WE SPENT TODAY IS ABOUT $900,000 FOR THIS PROJECT. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS ON THE SOUTH PROJECT. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME FOR THIS ONE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THESE PACKETS, BECAUSE THE BUDGET, AS I SEE IT, WAS $566,610, AGAIN, AS APPROVED THE WEEK BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST. SO WE'RE TALKING THREE MONTHS AGO, 566. YOU'VE GOT THE NUMBERS THAT THEY CAME IN AND SAID X AMOUNT. AND I DON'T EVEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE SPENT TO DATE. AND SO THIS STUFF ALWAYS SCARES ME. WE MAY HAVE SPENT $2 MILLION ON ENGINEERING FOR A $500,000 PROJECT, AND NO ONE CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. THE OTHER THING YOU'RE SAYING THIS COST IS UP. ARE YOU SAYING BECAUSE INFLATION. I'M SAYING BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF ALL THE ACTIVITY IN THE AREA ACROSS THE STATE. I MEAN, THE LATEST NUMBER I SAW ON THE TECH SIDE INCREASE WAS AN 18% INCREASE FOR THEIR UNIT PRICES. AND THEY TRACK THESE ON EVERY PROJECT THAT GETS LED ACROSS THE STATE BY DISTRICT. HERE'S WHAT I GET AGAIN, I GET CONFUSED. EASY. THERE'S A LETTER IN NOVEMBER 18, 2022 THAT I BELIEVE THEY WROTE YOU AND THEY SAID, HEY, HERE'S THE BIDS FOR AARON AND DIRT. THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS AARON. AND THEY SAY THAT THEY ATTRIBUTE THE HIGHER THAN EXPECTED PRICE IS DUE TO THE SMALL QUANTITIES OF WORK RELATED TO ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION AND UNIQUE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM ADJUSTMENTS REQUIRED BY THE PROJECT. SO IS IT BECAUSE OF INFLATION OR BECAUSE OF SOMETHING TO DO WITH A STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT MINOR STORM DRAIN IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS PROJECT. THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL PROJECT FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECT AROUND HERE. THERE ARE SOME SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT. THE MATERIAL COST ON THE SIGNALS ARE VARYING WIDELY. TRAFFIC SIGNAL COST OF. NOT QUITE DOUBLED, BUT THEY'VE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'VE SEEN THAT IN A NUMBER OF AREAS. SO I CAN'T ADDRESS HIS PARTICULAR COMMENTS ON WHAT HE'S ATTRIBUTING IT TO. BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR. OH YEAH. AND I'M TRYING TO STAND H AND TO BE SENDING LETTERS TO THE CITY SAYING, HERE'S WHY THE COSTS ARE HIGHER, BUT THEIR REASONS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY'S REASONS. AND I'M JUST AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE. I'D LIKE THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO MATCH UP, OR YOU JUST COME UP AND SAY H AND TBS LYING TO US OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE CASE IS. [01:35:05] BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A SMALL PROJECT TODAY, BUT WE'RE BUILDING A $40 MILLION BRIDGE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO BE OFF 20 TO 30% ON THAT. SO WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, WHEN I SEE THESE, YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE AND I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I READ UNFORTUNATELY, I READ EVERY PAGE. AND THE REASON IT STUCK TO ME IS. CUSTOMER, CLARK PUT SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE POSSIBLY INFLATION. I WAS LIKE, WELL, NO, IT'S NOT INFLATION. IT'S SOME KIND OF UNIQUE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, WHICH I'M LIKE, HOW UNIQUE IS IT TO BE THAT FAR OFF? BECAUSE WHAT I WAS GETTING AT THEN IS. THE ENGINEERS ENGINEERED THIS THING, AND I WOULD THINK AFTER THEY SURVEYED IT, THEY GOT SOME [INAUDIBLE] BILLS. THEY DID ALL THAT THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE. BY THE TIME WE APPROVED OUR BUDGET, THEY WOULD ALREADY KNOW THERE WAS A UNIQUE ISSUE AS ARE DESIGNING IT AND FOR THE UNIQUE ISSUE TO COME OUT AFTER THEY'VE DESIGNED IT AND AFTER THEY BID IT OUT PUTS US AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO BE I GUESS I DON'T LIKE BEING CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH UNIQUE STORM DRAIN ISSUES THAT I WOULD THINK AN ENGINEER WOULD KNOW WHEN THEY WERE IN THE 30% PHASE OR 60% PHASE OF DESIGNING IT. NOT THAT IT WOULD. IT REAR UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A BID. BUT SO ANYWAY. SOMEHOW, AND I'M SURE THE SOFTWARE WILL HELP THAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT, BUT. AS WE START TALKING $110 MILLION IN PROJECTS. I JUST WANT US TO GET SHARPENED PENCILS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON HOW WE'RE GETTING OUR NUMBERS. AND ALSO WHEN WE I KNOW WHEN YOU DO, IT'S PROBABLY BLIND BIDDING, BUT YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP AND WE GET SOME STUFF, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S A SMALL JOB, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING LOTS OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY PROBABLY SOME GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO GO IMPROVE SOME ROADS IN HUTTO IF THIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY KNOWS THAT THEY WOULD BE A POSSIBLE BIDDER ON THAT, THEN MAYBE WE GET A LOWER PRICE ON THIS BECAUSE NOW THEIR CREWS ARE ALREADY OUT HERE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE. TO GET THE BEST PRICE POSSIBLE. SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A SMALL JOB, IF YOU CAN COMBINE THREE OR FOUR SMALL JOBS, THEN WE MIGHT GET A REASONABLE PRICE ON ALL THREE OF THEM INSTEAD OF WE BID OUT THREE SEPARATE SMALL JOBS. ALL OF THEM COME IN 40% HIGH BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO GET THEIR MARGINS AND THEIR SMALL JOBS RIGHT. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS ON WHEN YOU MAKE THIS STATEMENT ABOUT WHEN YOU SAW THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE SMALL JOB, BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF JOBS IN HUTTO. SO I DON'T. RIGHT. AND TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON ON THE FRAME SWITCH PROJECT AND SHADOW, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. WE BUNDLED THOSE THREE INTO ONE PROJECT. THERE IS A NEED TO GET THIS PROJECT UNDERWAY. AND I WOULD BE LYING TO YOU IF I TOLD YOU I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE NUMBER OF BIDDERS AND WHERE WE ENDED UP ON THE BID COMPARED TO OUR ESTIMATE. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD CONTRACTOR HERE THAT CAN GET THE WORK DONE QUICKLY. THIS CONTRACT IS SET UP BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF IT. IT'S IT'S SOME SIGNAL WORK AND THEN THERE'S SOME A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING WORK FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE. THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT LEAD TIMES ON POLES AND SIGNAL EQUIPMENT. AND SO PART OF THIS CONTRACT IS AN EARLY NOTICE TO PROCEED THAT ALLOWS THE CONTRACTOR TO ORDER THAT EQUIPMENT. AND NO WORK CAN START UNTIL THAT EQUIPMENT'S IN HAND. IT'S PROBABLY A 90 DAY CONSTRUCTION TIME FRAME ONCE THAT MATERIAL IS HERE. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE PROJECT, BUT IT IS ONE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. LAST QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS. DO WE GO BACK AND WE HAVE A PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YES, WE DO. WE HAVE A PROCUREMENT PERSON. YES. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE TWO. THEY GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM LIKE, HEY, DID YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WORK COMPLETELY OR DID YOU? WE SEE SOME MAJOR DISCREPANCIES BECAUSE I KNOW, LIKE WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME AT WORK TOO, WHERE YOU COME IN REALLY LOW, WE GO TO MISS SOMETHING BECAUSE WE GENERALLY KNOW LIKE WHATEVER A SQUARE YARD OF CONCRETE IS GOING TO CAUSE. THE REASON I ASK THAT IS LIKE ONE OF THE ITEMS AND TONY'S GOING TO SHOOT ME. SO I WON'T SAY THE COMPANY NAME, BUT TONY, THE CONDUIT PVC SCHEDULE 43 INCH. SO THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE IS 4300. AARON CAME IN AT 10,300. THE OTHER GROUPS, $150,000. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE'RE SO BUSY. WE'RE JUST GONNA THROW SOME NUMBERS ON THERE. BUT I JUST WANTED DO WE EVER GO BACK AND SAY, GUYS, I MEAN, WE WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU, BUT YOU CAN'T. YOU'VE GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT REALISTIC BECAUSE EITHER HE'S RIGHT OR THE ENGINEER, WHICH WE ALREADY SAID SOMETIME IS OFF OR ARENDT'S OFF, BUT. AND IT'S RIDDLED WITH THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER DO THAT TO KIND OF WORK WITH THEM, ALMOST LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT YOU, BUT WE ALSO WE WANT EVERYTHING TO BE BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE THE SIDEWALK WAS THIS WAY. IT WAS WE HAD ONE REALLY CHEAP AND TWO REALLY FAR OFF. [01:40:01] AND I DO KNOW THAT FROM SMALL JOBS IT WOULD BE NICE TO PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS CHASING THE NEXT BIG JOB. AND TO MOBILIZE FOR A JOB IS GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A MONTH OR TWO. IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR TIME, LIKE BUILD AN OVERPASS IF YOU WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY. YOU KNOW, BUILD, BUILD, LIKE THE SOUTHEAST LOOP. YOU'LL DO THAT CHEAPER. BUT I JUST BRING THAT UP TO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING IT. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. JUST DON'T IT OUT THERE THAT OTHER PRIVATE INDUSTRY DOES THAT ALL THE TIME AND MAYBE THESE GUYS CAN SEE THEIR MISTAKES. YEAH, I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN BIDS REJECTED BEFORE. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT REALITY OR EXPECTATIONS WERE. SO IT CERTAINLY HAPPENS. THERE'S NOT A A SIT DOWN AND NEGOTIATE TYPE BACK AND FORTH ON ON LINE ITEMS BUT THERE CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A NUMEROUS NUMEROUS PROJECTS WHERE THE BIDS HAVE JUST OUTRIGHT BEEN REJECTED AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK OUT AND START AGAIN. YEAH, AND I'M NOT SAYING NEGOTIATE, JUST I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS. YEAH. DO WE GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THE REASON BECAUSE IF THEY ALWAYS MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AND ALWAYS GET REJECTED, WE'RE LOSING A PERSON. BUT THAT'S WHY THEY KNOW, HEY, THE REASON WE DIDN'T GO WITH YOU IS SOME OF YOUR NUMBERS WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 25 TIMES WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. SO MAYBE YOU GUYS GOT A FORMULA WRONG IN YOUR SPREADSHEET, OR MAYBE THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU'RE SURE? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S MORE RELATIONSHIP TYPE STUFF. SURE. NO KNOW. I'LL HEAR ABOUT IT FROM TONY. SO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH, I JUST GENUINELY THINK IT WAS MORE OF A MISTAKE WHENEVER THEY WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. SO AGAIN, IF WE GO BACK TO OUR PROJECT WORKSHEETS FOR THESE PROJECTS, WHENEVER THEY WERE PRESENTED BACK IN JULY, THESE NUMBERS, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, BUT THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAY AND DESIGN. WAS THE 444,000. THE TOTAL PROJECT WAS 1.3. SO THE REMAINING PART, IF THEY ADD, THEY ARE ESTIMATING 511 FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THEN CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES AND THEN MANAGEMENT 3%. SO IF YOU ADD THAT 511, THE 40 AND THE 15, YOU ROUGHLY COME UP WITH A 566. SO I'M WONDERING IF SOMETHING SOMEHOW IS GETTING JUST I THINK WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THE INFORMATION AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT GOT TRANSFERRED OR PUT INTO THE BUDGET OR PACKET. CORRECTLY, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES SHOULD HAVE ROUGHLY BEEN ABOUT 551 AND THEN THIS IS 637. NOW, WHILE THAT IS STILL AN INCREASE, IT'S ABOUT 10% OR ROUGHLY MAYBE TEN, 12%, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH. SO. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. YEAH, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AT PLAY. ONE'S THE ENGINEER ESTIMATE, WHICH IS JUST THE ENGINEER. WE THINK BIDS WILL COME IN AT X. AND THEN THERE'S THE WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR. RIGHT. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE BUDGETED MORE THAN WHAT THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE WAS WE CONSUME BECAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WENT OVER YEARS. SO WE CONSUME MONEY IN THE PAST THAT ISN'T REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. BUT OVERALL, THIS LOOKS TO ME TO BE ABOUT 110,000 OVER BUDGET. SO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. SOMETHING AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT UNTIL WE CAN UNTIL WE CAN GET BETTER WITH THE WAY THAT WE REPORT DATA AND THE WAY THAT WE SEE DATA AND THE WAY THAT WE INTERACT WITH IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET TO THESE THINGS UNTIL UNTIL LIKE THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION GETS ASKED. IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHAT DID WE SPEND IN THE PAST? WELL, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO HEAR THAT YOU ALL WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN A FORMAT THAT IS EASILY DIGESTIBLE, PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE WE WERE ALREADY PLANNING TO DO IT ANYWAY. BUT THAT JUSTIFIES THE PATH THAT WE'RE GOING ON AND LETS US KNOW THIS IS THE TYPE OF DATA THAT COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR. SO LET ME MAYBE ASK YOU THIS WAY. I THINK THIS IS WHERE SOME OF US ARE GETTING CONFUSED, INCLUDING MYSELF. SO WHEN IT SAYS AVAILABLE BUDGET 674,000, THAT'S AVAILABLE BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT. YEAH. CARDLESS OF YEAR REGARDLESS OF BUDGET YEAR. THAT'S HOW MUCH WE WE BUDGETED FOR THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT. AND I THINK A LOT OF US ARE LOOKING AT, WELL, WE ONLY BUDGETED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THIS YEAR AND WE'RE NOT KIND OF WE'RE NOT KIND OF MAKING THAT LINK THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, PROJECTS GO OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. AND SO IF WE COULD SEE AGAIN THAT HERE'S THE HERE'S THE AVAILABLE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, X AMOUNT OF IT WAS SPENT LAST YEAR, HERE'S HOW MUCH BUDGET WE HAVE THIS YEAR AND HERE'S WHERE WE'RE ON TRACK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU MULTIPLE TIMES, IS I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TELL FROM THIS IF WE'RE ON TRACK OR NOT. I JUST I CAN'T TELL THAT. SO WE WILL CERTAINLY START TO INCLUDE BETTER INFORMATION IN THAT REGARD. SO IT'S IT'S MUCH CLEARER. [01:45:02] BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT LOOKS TO BE SLIGHTLY OVERBUDGET OVERALL BY THE TIME YOU INCLUDE WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT UP TO DATE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THEN THERE WILL BE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WILL BE UNDER BUDGET. BUT IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT YOU'VE SPENT AND WHAT YOU'VE BUDGETED IN THE PAST AND THEN HOW ALL THAT NETS OUT, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SEE THAT SO EASILY. SO WE WILL START TO ADDRESS THAT AND GET IT RESOLVED TO WHERE IT'S IN THE DATA THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ALL. SO I ASSUME THAT THIS WILL THEN BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT. THE SEMIANNUAL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME WITH IN MARCH WILL BE ADDING THIS 110,000 TO THAT. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE HOW THE BUDGET WAS ACTUALLY SET UP, BECAUSE IF IT IF IT WAS BUDGETED BY ACTUAL PROJECT AND WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED THE PROJECT, THEN YES, THAT REQUIRES A BUDGET AMENDMENT. YEAH, IT WASN'T I'D LIKE TO GET TO THAT POINT ONE DAY BECAUSE I THINK THE BEST SCORECARD FOR THE TAXPAYER IS. UNDER BUDGET ON TIME, AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, UNDER BUDGET, BUT WE KIND OF DO JUST A BIG LUMP SUM. AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS WE'RE ALWAYS DOING GOOD JOBS AND THEN WE END UP ONE DAY GOING WE NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE GOT MORE PROJECTS. AND SO NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. BUT YEAH, YOUR SOFTWARE, I THINK TO HELP US GET GET IT THERE, WE'RE SAYING BUDGET NUMBERS FROM OCTOBER, BUT MY NUMBERS MATCH THIS JULY 20TH FROM JULY 20TH. NICE AND CLEAR. THOSE NUMBERS THAT GO UP ON THE BUDGET IS FROM JULY 20TH. SO IT'S REALLY NOT JUST IT'S WHEN WE APPROVED IT WAS THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE THE EXACT SAME FROM A MEETING WE HAD IN JULY. SO. I THINK IN THAT FACT AND KIND OF FACTOR IN INFLATION AND ALL THE OTHER COSTS AS WELL. MORE THAN JUST THREE MONTHS. WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE SPENT ALREADY. NO, I'M JUST SAYING THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE JUST APPROVED IN THE BUDGET WERE THE EXACT SAME NUMBERS WE WERE PRESENTED WITH IN JULY. RIGHT. THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN THE ITEM AGENDA REPORT, I THINK IS WHERE SOME OF THE ISSUE IS. BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THE ITEM AGENDA REPORT THAT AVAILABLE BUDGET AND THAT NUMBER WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE APPROVED. I'D HAVE A WHOLE LOT LESS QUESTIONS, BUT WHEN IT'S OFF, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DID THAT BUDGET NUMBER GET INCREASED AND WHERE IS THAT AT AND WHO MADE THAT CHANGE SINCE WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE BECAUSE I THINK THIS 674 ISN'T BY FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, NO, LOOK, IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, I CAN TELL WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IS THAT THEY KEYED IT IN WRONG. THEY KEYED IN WHAT THIS PURCHASE ORDER TASK ORDER IS, PLUS THE EXTRA 37,000. THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING FOR RIGHT AWAY. AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT GOT PUT IN FOR THE AVAILABLE BUDGET RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL BUDGET NUMBER. SO IT JUST GOT PUT INTO THE WRONG PLACE WHEN IT GOT KEYED IN. AND SO THAT'S AND THAT'S WHY NOBODY CAN GET TO THE RIGHT NUMBER. EXACTLY. IT'S BECAUSE IF YOU ADD IF YOU ADD WHAT THIS TASK ORDER IS FOR, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AWARD AND YOU ADD IN THE EXCESS MONEY, THAT SHOULD LEAVE YOU WITH THE OTHER NUMBER, DOES THAT LOOK RIGHT? TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE. GOING BACK HOWEVER MANY YEARS WE GOT TO GO BACK. WHAT WAS THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT? NO, THAT'S NOT. YES, SIR, IT WAS. THAT'S WHEN I SEE LIKE AVAILABLE WHEN I START SEEING, LIKE THE BUDGET OF THE PROJECT. MAYBE IT'S A TERMINOLOGY THING. I'M THINKING, WHAT DID WE WHEN WE FIRST SAID, LET'S GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND DO THIS PROJECT, WHAT WAS THAT BUDGET 1.3, FIVE, FIVE, NINE, TEN AND WHAT HAVE WE SPENT YEAR TO DATE AND WHAT STUFF? BECAUSE THIS SAYS DO I? 20 444,587 AND THAT DATE BEING 720 IS THE LAST ONE THAT I HAVE AN UPDATE ON. IT SAYS 37,000. ONE, AND I THINK THE NUMBER IS FIVE LEFT AND IT'S BASED ON THE MILLION. OR IS THAT BASED ON. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO. THAT'S WHY WE GOT TO GET ALL THIS CLEANED UP TO WHERE IT'S EASIER TO SEE. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH. UNFORTUNATELY, WE STILL DEAL WITH THE PAST ISSUES, SO I GET IT. JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. I APPRECIATE THE FISCAL NOTE PORTION OF THE PACKET, ALTHOUGH IT DOES NEED TO BE CLEANED UP AND BE ERROR FREE. I LIKE THAT THERE'S MORE DETAIL IN THAT AND JUST MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THAT'S GREAT HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE CITY OR HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY OR OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE IN BUDGET WITH WHAT'S BEEN ALLOTTED, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. ON THE PACKET SO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ACTION FOR THIS ITEM. MOTION TO APPROVE. 10.2 IS PRESENTED. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. WE HAVE A SECOND ACCOUNT. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. [01:50:04] MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 11 ONE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-005 APPROVING A [11.1. Conduct a Public Hearing and take possible action on Ordinance No. 2023-005 approving a Revised Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning ordinance request for the property known as 411, 421, 431 and 441 Ed Schmidt Boulevard Planned Unit Development (PUD), 4.30 acres, more or less, of land, Lots 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the Emory Farms Commercial Subdivision, located on Ed Schmidt Boulevard. (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey) a. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-005 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13. (Legal)] REVISED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING ORDINANCE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 411 421 431 AND 441 SCHMITT BOULEVARD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HUD 4.30 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOTS, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE OF THE EMORY FARMS COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION LOCATED ON EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD. THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. HEARING NONE PUBLIC HEARING AT 851. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING. NO ONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 851. GOOD EVENING, ASHLEY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. YOU MAY RECALL THAT YOU SAW THIS BACK IN AUGUST OF 22 BECAUSE THE MINOR MODIFICATION IN THE PUD DOES NOT STATE THAT A SITE LAYOUT SATISFIES A MINOR MODIFICATION OF PART OF THAT PIE. I CAN'T DO THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY. THIS IS WHY IT'S BACK BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. SO YOU MAY RECALL THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL PAD THAT WAS DONE BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2020. IT ALSO INCLUDED THE FOUR STORY HOTEL. HOWEVER, THE HEIGHT WAS THE ISSUE. IT SAID FOUR STORIES, BUT IT STILL MAINTAIN THAT HEIGHT AT 35 FEET. SO WE HAVE REVISED THAT BACK IN AUGUST OF 22. AND NOW WE ARE BACK WITH THIS. THIS IS THE THE ORIGINAL THAT WAS DONE WITH THE SUBMITTAL. AND NOW WE'VE GOT LET ME GET TO IT. OH. WE'VE GOT THE POOL IS MOVING SLIGHTLY AT THIS NORTH END. AND SO THE WAY THAT PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS THIS IS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED AN EIGHT FOOT WALL, NOT JUST A SIX FOOT WALL, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BACK THERE. WE KNOW THAT THE POOL IS MOVING TO THE BACK. THIS INCREASES THE DISTANCE TO JUST OVER 90 FEET AWAY FROM THAT SHARED LINE. SO IT'S STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT YOU HAD SEEN BACK IN AUGUST. SO STILL NO HABITABLE WINDOWS ON THAT BACK SIDE. WE'RE STILL DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IT JUST MOVES THE POOL FROM THE FRONT TO THE REAR. BUT AGAIN, THE BUILDING HAS TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY. AND THEN SO THE EIGHT FOOT WALL AND THEN ALSO THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE, BECAUSE EVEN AT P AND Z ON TUESDAY, THIS HAS ALREADY CHANGED. AND I GOT ANOTHER LAYOUT. SO WE JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK. JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY AS LONG AS IT'S IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT IS IN THE PAD, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLAN. SO THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT IN MY TIME ON P AND Z, WE DEALT WITH THIS A LOT. ORIGINALLY, THE HOTEL WENT NORTH SOUTH WITH ALL THE WINDOWS LOOKING INTO EMERY FARMS AT P AND Z. WE DECLINED IT AT THAT TIME. GOT HIM TO ROTATE THE PROPERTY. SO YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE MOVING THE POOL TO THE BACK. THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. ALSO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE HOURS WHERE THE POOL IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, SO IT'LL IT'LL KEEP IT EVEN QUIETER FOR THE RESIDENTS AND IT KEEPS THE BUILDING EVEN FURTHER AWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE NEW CHANGE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT I'LL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE. I SAW THERE WERE FOUR RESPONSES FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR. IT HAD ANY MORE COME IN SINCE THE PACKET WAS I THINK WE HAVE NOTICED THIS ONE AND NOTICE THIS ONE SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST LIKE, JUST LET THE HOTEL HAPPEN. THAT'S, I THINK, REALLY THE REASON FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE RECOMMENDATION, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BRING THIS BACK BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT CHANGED THE MINOR OR MAJOR LANGUAGE IN THE PUD. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THAT AS A CONDITION OF JUST THIS, AS LONG AS IT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS TO THE LAYOUT SHOWN IN THE PAD. WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S GOING TO BE PERPENDICULAR THE WINDOW ISSUE AND THAT IT'S FURTHER AWAY WITH THE MASONRY WALL AND THEN ALSO LANDSCAPING. WE'RE PRETTY GOOD. IT IT WILL MEET IT'LL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, WHEN WE GOT THE PACKET, P AND Z HADN'T MET YET, WAS IT A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO APPROVE? IT WAS OKAY. AND SO MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED INCLUDES THE EIGHT FOOT WALL, OR DO WE NEED TO ADD IN? THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM P AND Z WAS TO INCLUDE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL, A MASONRY WALL, INSTEAD OF JUST SIX FEET. THEY WANTED TO INCREASE IT AND THEN INCLUDE THAT AS LONG AS THE SITE PLAN SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMS WITH THE LAYOUT AND THE PAD THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT BACK IF ANYTHING CHANGES. RIGHT. SO IF SOMEONE SAYS. WE'D LIKE TO PROVE THIS AS PRESENTED IS AS PRESENTED INCLUDE EIGHT FOOT WALL OR DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN AS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITION OF AN EIGHT FOOT WALL? AND PLEASE ADDED IN JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE THESE WERE SO BACK TO BACK BETWEEN TUESDAY AND THURSDAY IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT YOU SAY WITH THE LAYOUT AS PRESENTED IN THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT. [01:55:03] RIGHT. SO WHEN WE APPROVE WITH THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY SENT A NEW LAYOUT, CORRECT. POTENTIALLY PUTTING THE POOL IN THE CENTER. IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. SO IT WAS JUST OK. I DO HAVE IT, BUT BECAUSE PNC DIDN'T SAY HAVE IT, I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO GET IT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THAT AS WELL RECOMMENDING. BUT IT REALLY IS. IT'S BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO LIKELY BE CHANGES, WHICH IS WHEN YOUR SITE PLANNING CHANGES OCCUR. WE JUST KNOW THAT SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE, IT WILL COMPLY. OKAY. SO WHERE EXACTLY IS THE POOL? IS IT IS IT GOING TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING? CORRECT. SO THIS IS THE OLD LAYOUT THAT WAS IN THAT FORMER. THIS IS WHAT WE HAD WHEN NOT REALLY THE OLD LAYOUT. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. BUT THE POOL ORIGINALLY, THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THIS BACK IN AUGUST, THE POOL WAS UP ON THIS END. WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS JUST MOVED IT TO THE BACK. I THINK THE NEW KIND OF HAD IT HERE, SO IT SHIFTS IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH, BUT IT'S STILL ON THAT WEST SIDE. OKAY. AND DID THE BUILDING MOVE EAST OR DID THEY REPLACE LIKE WAS PARKING THERE WHERE THE BUILDING DID MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER EAST? IT WAS ABOUT 65 FEET AWAY. NOW WE'RE ALMOST TO THE 90. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER, BUT IT WAS FINE BECAUSE THEY HAD NEVER HAD THE PARKING OR ANYTHING REALLY IN THE FRONT. SO THIS STILL COMPLIES. IT'S STILL YOU CAN SEE ON HERE WITH ALL THESE LINES, THERE ARE EASEMENTS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY CALLED OUT. THERE'S BUILDING SETBACKS. WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT IF THEY JUST MOVE ANYTHING ELSE ON SITE, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL EVERY TIME I'M IN. AND ACTUALLY, IS THIS TYPICAL OF A PROJECT FOR THINGS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN AND LIKE THE MOVING PIECES OF THE PUZZLE? OR MAYBE IT'S LIKE A A SOIL OR LAND ISSUE, LIKE MAYBE SHIFTING. SO THEY WANT TO MAYBE KIND OF MOVE IT IN FURTHER OR I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT NORMAL FOR THEM TO KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU WITH ALL OF THESE CHANGES? YES. WOW. ALWAYS. I THINK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE IN THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THEN THEY HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO THAT BOARD. AND THEN THE BOARD LIKE THEIR CHAIN ACTUALLY GETS TO SAY YES OR NO. IT'S MORE MORE TIMES I'VE WORKED ON HOTELS, THERE'S MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO MARRIOTT OR YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO HILTON AND SAY, OKAY, THEY DON'T LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT. BUT IT HAPPENS ON THE MAJORITY OF PROJECTS THAT IF SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING OR A DRIVEWAY SPACE WRONG, YOU'LL HAVE PROJECTS COMPLETELY FLIP OVER. IT'S GOOD. SO IF CHANGES ARE MADE, THERE'S THE THE REAR. PART OF THE HOTEL WILL NOT GET ANY CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS. SO THERE ARE NO HOTELS ON THE WEST SIDE. MY SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE, THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT IS AS LONG AS IT'S STAYING IN THAT DISTANCE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY INFORMING THE POOL, MOVING A LITTLE BIT, SOME PARKING SPACES MOVING AROUND, AS LONG AS IT'S IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THIS, IT'S JUST A DRIVE WHILE THE EIGHT FOOT WALL AND LANDSCAPING, THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE. IF THIS MOVES NOT PERPENDICULAR OR WE'RE NOW PARALLEL, YOU'LL SEE IT AGAIN. AND IS IT LIKE THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT, THAT LOT? THE EIGHT FOOT WALL? YES, IT WOULD BE THE FULL. SO WE DO. SO THE BUFFER YARD STANDARDS, YOU CAN DO A SIX FOOT OR AN EIGHT FOOT WALL ALLOWED BY A CODE. EIGHT FOOT IS ONLY ON COMMERCIAL. AND SO THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ADDING THAT INSTEAD OF JUST DOING A SIX FOOT STANDARD. PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR THAT TO BE INCREASED TO EIGHT FEET. I THINK THERE'S ONE TWO STORY HOME BACK THERE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE SINGLE. STOREY BUT YOU STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM AS WELL FROM, OF COURSE, ANYTHING. BUFFERING IS GOOD. ACTUALLY, IN THE PACKET THERE'S SOME EXHIBITS THAT CALL THIS A TOWN PLACE SUITE MARRIOTT. THAT'S GOING TO GET MAD IF I. WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE THAT WE PASS ANOTHER HURDLE ON A MARRIAGE, SO GO FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AS WELL IN OUR THAT'S WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. AND I DO KNOW IT'S A MARRIOTT BRAND. SO. I THINK YOU'LL BROKEN. I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE TRYING TO MEET EVERYTHING WE ASKED THEM TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 11.1 WITH THE ADDITION OF AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL AND TO ALLOW. TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MINOR CHANGES AS LONG AS IT CONFORMS TO THE MAJORITY CONFORMANCE TO THE CURRENT PWD AS PRESENTED TONIGHT. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. WITHIN THE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THERE, IS THERE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAJORITY OR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE? I DON'T JUST DON'T WANT TO. YOU HAVE 51% COMPLIANCE. BE SEEN AS MEETING A STANDARD BECAUSE YOU SAID MAJORITY. SO. OH, ASHLEY. YES, I SAID MAJORITY. DO I NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING TO SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIALLY WOULD BE A LOT MORE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE THAT FRIENDLY EMOTION AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE TO THE PD PRESENTED TONIGHT. [02:00:02] COUNCIL MEMBER IS OKAY WITH THAT? YES. LATER DISCUSSION ON A MOTION COUNCIL. I DID WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE DID PUT SOME AMENDMENTS TO THIS ORDINANCE IN YOUR DROPBOX TODAY AND WHICH INCLUDES AN ENACTMENT OF ENFORCEMENT CLAUSE AFTER REVIEWING THE CHARTER AND REVIEWING ZONING ORDINANCES AND STATE LAW. THIS PROBABLY WOULD BE TREATED AS AN ORDINANCE THAT CARRIES A PENALTY. SO UNDER OUR CHARTER, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE READINGS AND PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER TWICE. SO UNTIL WE FIX OUR ORDINANCE SECTION, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO FOLLOW THAT PROCEDURE BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T PULL THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING CODE OR VIOLATED THEIR SEO, THEY COULD BE SUBJECT TO A PENALTY OR A FINE. SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? WE CAN'T WAIVE THE SECOND READING OR WE CAN'T DO THE FIRST READING? WE CAN'T WAIVE THE SECOND READING. OKAY. BUT WE DID INCLUDE THAT IN THERE JUST FOR THE REFERENCE TO THE PENALTY. OKAY. CAN'T DO. ASHLEY IS PART OF THE PUTT. IT'S A IT'S A RESTAURANT AS WELL GOING IN THERE AND THE OTHER PARCELS. SO THE OTHER PARCELS ARE JUST STILL COMMERCIAL. THIS WAS REALLY JUST TO DEAL WITH THE LAYOUT. SO IT'S BUT THE OTHER PARCELS, JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, ARE NOT UP TO THAT FOUR STOREY HEIGHT. THOSE WE'RE STILL STAYING WITH THE REGULAR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH I BELIEVE ALLOWS UP TO ABOUT 35 FEET AS THIS DID. AND IT KEPT JUST SAID, IT JUST REFERENCED THE 35 FEET. SO THE OTHER BUILDINGS WOULD ONLY BE A 35 FOOT HEIGHT, BUT ANY COMMERCIAL COULD GO OKAY. IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE.. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. I LOST TRACK. WAS THAT ALL SEVEN? YES, SIR. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 11 TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-006, APPROVING A REVISED PLAN [11.2. Conduct a Public Hearing and take possible action on Ordinance No. 2023-006 approving a Revised Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning ordinance request for the property known as NorthTown Commons Planned Unit Development (PUD), 28.449 acres, more or less, of land located along Limmer Loop east of FM1660 North. (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey) a. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-006 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13. (Legal)] UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD ZONING ORDINANCE REQUESTS FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS NORTHTOWN COMMONS. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT HUD 28.44 AND NINE ACRES, MORE OR LESS. I AM LOCATED ALONG LEMMER LOOP EAST OF FM 1660 NORTH. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM WAS ACTUALLY TABLED AT THE TUESDAY MEETING. IT WAS POSTPONED. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SO THE APPLICANT WAS NOT PRESENT. THUS WE THIS ENDED UP BEING POSTPONED BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. I CAN RUN THROUGH THIS VERY QUICK IF WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO DISCUSS THE AMENDMENT IS JUST FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE PWD. IT WAS TO CLARIFY THE SIZE. THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN MADE IT LOOK LIKE ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS HAD TO BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THE INTENT WAS ONLY THAT DAYCARES COULD BE UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET. NOT THAT ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, JUST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS CAN STILL MATCH THE B ONE DISTRICT, AND THERE'S NO REGULATION ON THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT. ALSO, TO UPDATE THE FENCING STANDARDS TO MEET THE UTC, ALLOW FOR MURALS ON THE BUILDING. THAT WAS A POINT OF DISCUSSION WITH P AND Z THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE MURALS TO BE ABLE TO FACE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO THAT WILL LIKELY BE SOMETHING WHEN WE COME BACK THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING. PROVIDE UP TO 25% OF COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING. SO JUST SECONDARY ANY OF THE I THINK REALLY FOR TONIC IS THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY COOL IDEA TO JUST LET THEM HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ANCILLARY COMMERCIAL ON THEIR USES IF IT WORKS WITH THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. AND THEN ALSO TO REMOVE THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY THAT COULD CONNECT DIRECTLY INTO MAJOR MEADOWS. SO THE ONLY COMMENT THAT WE GOT IN OPPOSITION THAT ACTUALLY GAVE A REASON WAS BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THIS RIGHT OF WAY ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT DIRECTLY CONNECTS INTO MAJOR MEADOWS. AND THAT'S ONE OPPOSITION THAT WE HAD THAT SAID THIS IS WHY THEY STILL WANTED THAT CONNECTION. AND THAT WAS ALSO A POINT OF DISCUSSION WITH P AND Z, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS POSTPONED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE APPLICANT THERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. YOU WILL SEE THIS AGAIN. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GO AHEAD AND HOLD THAT. SO. PERSON WAS IN OPPOSITION OF OBTAINING THE ROAD. THEY WANT A ROAD FROM LIMBER TO GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. CORRECT. AND THE REASON THAT STAFF HAD SAID WE WERE OKAY WITH THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN HOW THIS DOES NOT WORK IN OTHER SITUATIONS. EMERY FARMS BEING A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE THAT YOU TYPICALLY DON'T WANT THE DIRECT CONNECTION, RIGHT? HOWEVER, I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A STUB STREET, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT STUB STREET BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE. DOES THAT JUST BECOME A PARK? DOES WHAT DOES THIS WHAT'S THE CITY'S PLAN FOR THAT? RIGHT OF WAY AFTER THE FACT. BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT ON THIS APPLICANT. IF THAT ROADWAY GOES AWAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS INTERNALLY AND BRING BACK TO YOU AS A PROPOSAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS RIGHT AWAY. HALF OF IT GOES TO THE LANDOWNER ON THE WEST AND HALF GOES TO THE LANDOWNER ON THE EAST. SO ABANDONING THIS RIGHT OF WAY ONLY WOULD AFFECT THIS PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY TEX, TEXAS FIXTURES. [02:05:02] OH, THEY HAVE IT ALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE. WE COULD HAVE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL, HAVE THESE ON EITHER SIDE OR THE CITY COULD SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ABANDON IS RIGHT OF WAY. WE'RE GOING TO USE IT AS EASEMENT MAKE IT INTO A POCKET PARK. THERE ARE OPTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T DECIDE AT A P AND Z LEVEL. I DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. IT WAS MORE, WE NEED TO GO HAVE THOSE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS AND PRESENT SOMETHING TO COUNCIL. SO. RIGHT. SO YOU JUST WANT US TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE? AND THEN YOU WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND ACT FOR THE FIRST READING AND YOU COME BACK TO THE SECOND OR YOU WANT TO JUST A TABLE THIS. JUST POSTPONE IT, PLEASE. THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM P AND Z IS JUST FOR US. SO I WOULD OPEN AND CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REPUBLISH. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 906. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? THANK DO. PARTY WILL COME UP, SIR, AND STATE YOUR NAME. LUCAS MORTON 200 COURT AND DRIVE IN MEGA MEADOWS. I'M JUST. I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REMOVE THAT ROADWAY. CONNECTING MEGA MEADOWS TO LIMBER LOOP. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? LUCAS MORTON. LUCAS MORTON. OKAY. ARTIE. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT OPEN. NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL JUST TABLE THIS AND TELL THE I GUESS THE NEXT MEETING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'LL BE FEBRUARY BECAUSE IT'LL BE PNC. WON'T MEAN TO. OR DO WE WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO OR. I GUESS IT HAS TO GO TO PNC. GO BACK? YEAH. SHE WANTS THE TABLE TILL FEBRUARY 2ND. WELL, NO, IT'LL BE AFTER THAT BECAUSE SHE'S 16. LIKELY COME BACK TO COUNCIL THE SECOND MEETING JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. FIRST TUESDAY IS MY NEXT PNC, THE TABLE OF FEBRUARY 16TH. YES. PLEASE LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN THE WHOLE TIME. YES. GOOD DUTY. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY OBJECTIONS FROM ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. HEARING. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 11 THREE. [11.3. Conduct a Public Hearing and take possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-059 approving the proposed Specific Use Permit for the Hutto Independent School District at 573 Chris Kelley Boulevard (Hutto High School), 76.135 acres, more or less, of land, to allow a reduction in the required landscaping (UDC 10.407.5), required parking (10.405.9) and roof-mounted mechanical equipment (10.406.6.8). (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey) a. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2022-059 to dispense with the second reading pursuant to Hutto City Charter Article 3, Section 3.13. (Legal)] CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER ZERO. DASH 20222059. APPROVING THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AT 573. CHRIS KELLEY BOULEVARD HIGH SCHOOL, 76.135 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND TO ALLOW A REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. UDC 10.40 7.5 REQUIRED PARKING 10.40 5.9 AND ROOF MOUNTED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. 10.406 6.8. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS FROM THE LAST REGULARLY CALLED COUNCIL MEETING IN DECEMBER. WE DO HAVE SOME ANSWERS FOR YOU. I CAN RUN THROUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION AGAIN JUST IN CASE WE HAVE ANYBODY WATCHING THAT WAS NOT AT THAT LAST MEETING OR HADN'T TUNED INTO THIS. THE ISD IS ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR ILA THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE WITH THE CITY. THIS DOES OUTPACE THE REWRITING OF THE ILA THAT WE WILL BE THE CITY WILL BE DOING WITH THE ISD ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY SCHEDULE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE ISD. SO WHAT THEY ARE SEEKING TO DO WITH THAT SAP OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS TO ASK FOR A REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING, THE PARKING AND DEFINING THE ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT SCREENING. AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT LANDSCAPING. SO WE CAN GET INTO THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE JUST IN THE ORANGE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED RIGHT NOW WITH THIS MODERNIZATION. AND THIS IS ALSO THE PARKING LAYOUT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS THAT ITEM AS PART OF THIS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE 31 SPACES DEFICIENT. SO THAT IS PART OF THAT. BUT HERE YOU GO AGAIN WITH THE PARKING ADJACENCY. YOU CAN SEE THE CAMPUS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN HOW MANY CAMPUSES THEY HAVE THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM P AND Z WHEN IT WENT IN JANUARY WAS TO GO AHEAD AND SAY I'M SORRY, WHEN IT WENT IN DECEMBER, THAT THEY WILL BUS IN WHEN IT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT STADIUM. HERE IS THE ROOF PLAN ADDITIONS. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. THIS IS SIMPLY JUST TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SCREEN ALL OF THE EXISTING. IT WOULD JUST BE WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AFFECTING THE BUILDING. AND HERE IS THE LANDSCAPING FROM THE LAST TIME. AND THERE WAS A. OR ACTUALLY STILL IS A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THE BUSHES AND THE TREES ALONG CHRIS KELLY AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION AND THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN IN BLUE THERE'S SEVERAL HERE AND THERE'S A FEW INTERNAL TO THE SITE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ADDED FROM THE CEP WHEN IT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT THEY DID ADD THOSE TO THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN. SAW THE SIX NEW TREES THAT ARE GOING TO GET REPLACED. OH YEAH. THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. IT IS. APOLOGIZE. IT'S ON PAGE 269 OF 309. THANK YOU. WHAT YOU DO? I DON'T KNOW. APPARENTLY, I GOT TO THE END OF IT AND I WAS DONE. JUST SMALL AGAIN. [02:10:01] YEAH, THERE WERE SIX TREES THAT ARE SHOWN IN RED ON THAT IN YOUR PACKET. AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT THE WHAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR. SO THE ISD RESPONDED WITH THAT AND THEY ALSO SHOWED YOU YOUR TRAFFIC PLAN. AND I KNOW THAT YOU, I BELIEVE, WERE PROVIDED A MEMO FROM THE POLICE CHIEF THAT THEY DID HAVE THE CONVERSATION. WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ISD HERE. I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS. SO I WAS GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND I DID DOUBLE CHECK. THE ORDINANCE IS IN THE PACKET FOR SURE. THE ORDINANCE IS IN THE PACKET. ABSOLUTELY. THAT ORDINANCE IS IN THE PACKET. SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONFUSION ON THAT ONE. WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FULLY VETTED FOR YOU. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM, IF YOU HAVE ANY. FOR THE ISD, THEY ARE HERE. SO I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU FIRST. OKAY. SO WE HAD THREE REQUESTS THAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK TO ATTACH TO THIS SOUP. TWO OF THEM PASSED, ONE OF THEM FAILED, 3 TO 4. I FURTHER ASKED AFTER THE FACT, COULD WE DO WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF A TIRE EVER HAVING BEING DONE FOR HOW TO HIGH SCHOOL? FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE ON THAT, WHAT STAFF FOUND OUT AND GIVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? ABSOLUTELY. SO THERE HAS BEEN. I WAS THINKING OF A DIFFERENT I KNEW THAT I HAD SEEN A TIRE. IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE NINTH GRADE CENTER. SO I KNOW THAT I BELIEVE YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE MEMO. THERE WERE EMAILS SENT BY THE ISD TO PRIOR STAFF STARTING IN MARCH OF 2001, AND THEN I BELIEVE THEY ENDED THE CONVERSATION JULY 1ST OF 2001, 2001 OR I'M SORRY, 2021. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS RIGHT NOW. DIDN'T CATCH UP ON THAT. SO IN 2021. SO MARCH OF 2021 TO JULY OF 2021, ASKING FOR A SCOPING MEETING. I AM ALSO AWARE THAT THOSE REQUESTS WERE NEVER RESPONDED TO FROM THAT CITY ENGINEER TO THE ISD'S CREDIT. I WILL SAY THAT EVEN THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING THEY DID REQUEST A SCOPING MEETING AND THAT HAS BEEN SCHEDULED. WE ALWAYS HAVE THOSE LITTLE KIND OF 6 TO 8 WEEK MEETINGS, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SEPARATE. KIND OF LIKE OUR ILA MEETING IS SEPARATE. WE HAVE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS JUST AS THE BULK. SO WE WILL BE SCOPING THAT TO KNOWING EVEN THOUGH IT FAILED AT THAT LAST MOTION STUFF AND THE ISD HAVE STILL AGREED THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON GETTING THAT THE COMPLETED. HOW QUICKLY WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME ON THAT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SCHOOL'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. IT STARTED SECOND SEMESTER. LIKE HOW QUICKLY CAN THEY GET OUT THERE, GET THE DATA ON THE GROUND. ONCE WE HAVE THE SCOPING MEETING, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE WHOMEVER THEY'RE GOING TO HIRE TO PERFORM THAT, AND IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK. YEAH, SO THAT WENT BACK TO MY POINT IS I DON'T IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO OBJECTION TO US ADDING IT AS A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO BE ADDED, WHICH WOULD OCCUR IN 18 MONTHS IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AND THEY'RE IN GOOD FAITH SAYING THEY'RE DOING IT. ADDING THE REQUIREMENT I THINK NOW IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. AND IF THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN IT'S NOT JUST LIP SERVICE, BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS A REQUIREMENT. BUT THE RESULTS COULD POSSIBLY BE SKEWED BECAUSE THIS IS A PLACE THAT THE STADIUM IS RIGHT THERE. AND USUALLY EVENTS LIKE FOOTBALL GAMES HAPPEN IN THE FALL. SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAVE MORE DATA, RIGHT, BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH THAT AREA. WELL, THEY KNOW HOW MANY SEATS IN STADIUM. IT TAKES ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THERE'S I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, THERE'S A MANUAL AND IF YOU HAVE LIKE A C STORE WITH SIX PUMPS OR EIGHT PUMPS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S A TRIP GENERATION THAT GOES TO ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO IT'S ALL DATA DRIVEN TO WHERE YOU TAKE IN SOME INFORMATION. I GET IT. I GET IT. THAT IS VERY ACCURATE INFORMATION. BUT TO. I APPRECIATE BOTH THE CITY AND THE ISD WANTING TO TO DO IT. I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO THE WORK WITHOUT US ASKING FOR FOR IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW. IT'S JUST. SO MY POINT IS, IF SOMEONE SAYS IF SOMEONE WERE TO SAY TO YOU, HEY, I'M GOING TO PAINT THIS COMMON FENCE BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? AND THEY GO, I'M GOING TO DO IT AND I'M GOING TO DO IT BY APRIL. AND YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, SO I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU GET REIMBURSED OR WHATEVER IT IS TILL YOU DO IT BY. YOU SAID YOU CAN DO IT BY APRIL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE CAN ADD A TRIGGER POINT THAT SAYS WITHIN 18 MONTHS IT SHOULD NOT TAKE THEM 18 MONTHS TO DO IT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE JUST ADD IT BECAUSE THIS IS OUR ONE CHANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS DONE. BECAUSE, I MEAN, PRIORITIES COULD CHANGE. A SCHOOL BOARD MOTION FAILED, RIGHT? WE CAN ADD IT NOW. WE'RE HERE NOW. TODAY WE CAN ADD THAT BACK IN TODAY WE HAD WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING LAST TIME, RIGHT. WE DIDN'T IMPROVE ANYTHING. SO I STILL I WOULD LIKE TO I MEAN, IF THE ISD WANTS TO TALK, BUT, YOU KNOW, MY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD [02:15:02] BACK LOOK, TO ADD BACK IN THE REQUIREMENT TO BUY FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, A TIRE IS DONE ON THIS PROPERTY. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTIONS TO APPROVE THIS IS PRESENTED WITH THE END OF THE TIA, COMPLETED BY THE CEO, CORRECT? AND JUST TO GIVE SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, LIKE WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT AND THE ORIGINAL LIKE ENTRANCES ARE THERE. I LIVED HERE IN HUTTO AT THAT TIME, CHRIS KELLEY WAS A TWO LANE ROAD WITH NO DIVIDED MEDIAN. NOT YOU'D BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL ONTO CHRIS KELLY. THE CHRIS KELLY HAS CHANGED THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS. IT WAS A3A HIGH SCHOOL WHEN I MOVED HERE. IT'S A6A HIGH SCHOOL. SO AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE AND THEY AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE HAVE EMAIL DOCUMENTATIONS FOR SINCE APRIL OF 20. IN JULY OF 2021. THEY AGREED IT NEEDED TO BE DONE. THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT ON THEIR OWN AT ANY TIME. SO I FEEL LIKE WE DO NEED TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT. OTHERWISE WE'VE BEEN TOLD IT'LL BE DONE BEFORE AND THEY'VE NEVER DONE ONE. SO THAT'S WHY I WANT REQUIREMENT. HOW WILL THAT IMPACT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ADDING THAT REQUIREMENT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM STARTING THE WORK. THAT'S WHY WE SENT THE CERTIFICATE. RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS TO COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR'S POINT, YOU WANT TO HAVE ACCURATE DATA THAT GOES INTO THE TIA AND HAVING ACTUAL FOOTBALL GAME DATA COLLECTED. WHAT IS THE SCOPE? I MEAN, HOW LONG DO THEY THINK THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO TAKE? IS IT SOMETHING THEY'RE JUST GOING TO FINISH AND DO? 18 MONTHS SO YOU'LL GO THROUGH A FOOTBALL SEASON? OKAY. YEAH. SO I JUST THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THERE'S NO REASON YOU CAN'T GET A FULL TERM BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION IN FALL TERM. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR. I'M FINE WITH REQUIRING IT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. MY SON WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT WENT TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL. IT WAS GREAT BACK THEN. NOW IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO GO THROUGH THERE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT TO THE ISD, WORKING WITH STAFF AND CHIEF YARBOROUGH FOR MEETING AND CLARIFYING WHAT THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES ARE AND MAPPING IT OUT VERY CLEARLY SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. I KNOW IT'S STILL GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AT BEST, ESPECIALLY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M GOOD. SO, YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS ON THE CITY SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE STUFF IN THE TREES BACK IN, GETTING THE TRAFFIC PLAN, REACHING OUT TO THE CHIEF. I SAID PUBLICLY ON THE FORUM, REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THE ISD, WHAT THEY DID WITH THAT COMING BACK AND THEN IDENTIFYING THE TREES, EVERYTHING WE DID. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS ONE STILL NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND I'LL ALSO JUST ADD THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A TIRE AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY AT THE TIME DROPPED THE BALL, NOT NOT BLAMING ANY ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, BUT IT WAS THE CITY'S MISTAKE. AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I WOULD APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDED IN, YOU KNOW, TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS FROM DAY ONE SO THAT EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY. AND THAT'S WHAT HOPEFULLY WE WORK THROUGH WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE AGREEMENTS AND ALL THAT. SURE THING. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN INFINITELY PATIENT SEEING THOSE EMAILS AND KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. I WAS LIKE, OKAY, SO WE NOW HAVE IT ON OUR SIDE THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PERFORM. AND SO IMMEDIATELY MEETINGS WERE SCHEDULED. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT SCOPING DONE. WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO ALSO GET THIS DONE, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT WE AS THE AS THE STAFF, DROP THE BALL ON THAT. SO WITH HAVING HAVING THIS INFORMATION WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION TO DIGEST IT FOR THE FUTURE OF AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW GOING THROUGH THAT AREA, IT'S JAMMED UP DURING THE SCHOOL ZONES, FOOTBALL GAMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE AREA BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL THE SCHOOLS RIGHT THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN ENTRANCES AND EVERYTHING. BUT ONCE ALL IS SAID AND DONE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE SAME ISSUES STILL GOING TO BE PRESENT BECAUSE THE ROADS AREN'T WIDENED RIGHT THERE THAT MAYBE COULD POTENTIALLY FIX SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES. RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST THEM IMPROVING THAT. OF COURSE, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME ISSUES WITH STUDENTS COMING AND GOING, BUT THAT'S LIKE A NORMAL DAY TO DAY THING. THANKFULLY, I MISS IT IN BETWEEN THE ELEMENTARY AND THE HIGH SCHOOL HOURS, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT I GET IT THAT DURING THE ELEMENTARY HOURS IT'S CRAZY AND HECTIC, BUT IT ONLY LASTS SO LONG. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL. IT ONLY LASTS SO LONG. SO ONCE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, IT'S GOING TO STILL BE THE SAME ISSUE. SO WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT? WHAT WAS IT GOING TO TO TELL US? SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE CONSTRUCTION. [02:20:02] OKAY. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE. SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK ON THIS MAP, IF YOU SEE THE LITTLE CIRCLE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, HERE, HERE, YES. YEAH. YOU GO IN THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE HAS BEEN CLOSED BY THE ISD. THEY JUST ARBITRARILY CLOSED IT. SO WHAT A TIRE WOULD SAY. AND THEY CLOSED IT BECAUSE THEY SAID PEOPLE WERE GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR ON CHRIS KELLY AND THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TURNING IN THERE AND IT BACKING UP TO GO. SO WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID HERE RECENTLY IS WE PUT IN A SCHOOL ZONE THAT'S GOING TO GO IN RIGHT THERE ALONG THAT TO LOWER IT TO 25. SO WHEN THE TIRE, THEY'LL KNOW THAT. SO THEY MAY SAY, HEY, BECAUSE IT'S NOW A SLOWER SPEED, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT ENTRANCE CLOSED. OR THEY MAY SAY, YEAH, THE ENTRANCE IS CLOSED. SO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS PUT A DECELERATION LANE IN THERE TO CUE UP CARS TO TURN IN THERE AND MAYBE THEY SAY FOR COMING OUT BECAUSE OF THE SPEED THEY NEED TO HAVE AN ACCELERATION LANE. THAT'S WHAT A TIRE WILL DO AND IT WILL IMPROVE THINGS. BUT WE NEED TO KNOW AND IT ALSO GUIDE FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION WHEN THEY DO THEIR NEXT THING. AND WE KNOW THESE THINGS, THEN WHEN THEY GO TO BID OUT THE WHEN THEY DO EXPAND MORE THE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER THING WE'LL ALREADY HAVE THAT DATA TO KNOW AND IT WILL BE BASED ON A CERTAIN THE ISD WILL PROVIDE. HEY OUR OUR THEY SHOULD PROVIDE IN THIS TIRE WHAT THE MAX BUILD OUT OF THAT HIGH SCHOOL FOR A NUMBER OF STUDENTS IS GOING TO BE MAYBE TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE NINTH GRADERS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, WE'RE ONLY AT SAY, 1500 STUDENTS. RIGHT. BUT WHEN THEY BUILD A SECOND HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY SPLIT, MAYBE THAT NUMBER OVER TIME, BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS OF GROWTH, THEY THINK THAT HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO GET TO 2000. SO THEN THE TIRE WILL MIGHT SAY WHILE YOU'RE AT 4500, YOU ONLY NEED THIS. BUT ONCE YOU ARE GOING TO GROW TO 50 TO 2000, THAT CHANGES YOUR TRIP AMOUNTS COMING IN. YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME OTHER CHANGES WHICH WOULD BE PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS GOING FORWARD. IF THEY GO TO A LARGER SCHOOL, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU HAVE THE DATA. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THE DATA. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO ASK FOR IT. AND LIKE I SAID, IF IT HAD BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO AND THEY KNEW WHAT THEIR. BUILD OUT WOULD HAVE BEEN YOU WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, JUST ATTACH IT TO IT. BUT SINCE IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO IT. OKAY. SO THAT DOES LEAD ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION IS LIKE WE GET THE IDEA BACK. THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. THAT WILL BE A FUTURE CONVERSATION AS TO CITY ISED RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THE TIRE CORRECT. OR IT MAY JUST BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE TOGETHER BETWEEN THE CITY TECH STYLE BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S TECH START ROADWAYS, WE KNOW WE'RE CONSTRAINED ON THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE THE UNION PACIFIC, BUT WE DO STILL HAVE SOME CARL STERN IT'S LIKELY THAT IT'S FULL BUILDOUT, BUT THERE IS ALSO A FRONT STREET. THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT THEY DO ON THE SITE I THINK IS COUNCILMEMBER CLARK STATED THAT MAYBE YOU UTILIZE THINGS ON SITE TO GET EVERYBODY OFF THE STREET. AND THAT'S USUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR SO OFTEN FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE ISD IS THAT WE WANT TO GET EVERYBODY OFF THE STREET SO THAT THEY CAN JUST ROUTE ALL THAT TRAFFIC INTERNALLY. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT CAN COME OUT OF IT. THERE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CAN COME OUT. IT CAN EVEN BE DOWN TO LIGHT TIMING. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS JUST ADD THIS WIDENESS. THERE CAN EVEN BE LIGHT TIMING THAT COMES OUT OF A TIRE. SO I THINK JUST TO HAVE THAT BASE INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFUL FOR US MOVING FORWARD. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE OTHER THING, YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THIS PICTURE, BUT. IF YOU IF YOU CAN DO THAT LIGHT FIXTURE IN THE UPPER PARKING LOT RIGHT UP HERE. YEAH. SO THEY CURRENTLY ALLOW THAT PARKING LOT TO BE THERE AND THEY LET PARENTS PARK THERE AND WALK CHILDREN ACROSS THE STREET TO NADIN JOHNSON, WHICH CREATES A STOP POINT FOR EVERY THAT IS NOT A CONTROLLED THING THAT THEN BACKS UP TRAFFIC ALL THE WAY TO 1660 BECAUSE OF TRYING TO GET THROUGH THERE WITH PEOPLE STOPPING INSTEAD OF THEM GOING THROUGH THE DROP OFF LANE LIKE THEY'RE REQUIRED. SO IT MAY BE THAT THEY BLOCK THAT AND DON'T LET PARENTS DROP IN AND WALK ACROSS THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE DROP OFF LANES ON TWO SIDES OF THE SCHOOL FOR A REASON. RIGHT. SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS WHOLE AREA, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WOULD BE BE SEEN. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'D BE VERY VALUABLE. TO KNOW. I MEAN, MIKE. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH SOME STAFF, OTHERWISE WE WENT AND FIRED THEM. I HAVE ONE REQUEST OUT OF THE ISD. IF YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO A TIA GOING FORWARD AND YOU CAN'T GET SOMEONE AT THE CITY STAFF LEVEL BELOW THE CITY MANAGER TO RESPOND BACK THEN, EITHER CONTACT A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WILL THEN CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER OR CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WE HAD SOME OTHER ISSUE. WE'VE GOT AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'S GOT ROADS CRUMBLING BECAUSE THEY ALL EMAILED ONE GUY WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO HIT REPLY ON AN EMAIL. AND SO NOW WE'RE IN POTENTIAL LITIGATION ON THAT. SO IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GO TO CITY MANAGER IF I HAVE AN ISSUE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I'M NOT GETTING A RESPONSE OUT OF THE PRINCIPAL, I DON'T JUST GO HOME AND GET UPSET. I'D CALL THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, SUPERINTENDENT, I'D CALL THE T.A. I'D KEEP GOING UP UNTIL I GOT MY ISSUE RESOLVED BECAUSE I KNOW CONTRACTUALLY I GOT SOMETHING TO DO. [02:25:01] SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE. WE OBVIOUSLY GOT A LOT OF ISSUES ON OUR SIDE. WE CAN CONTROL SO MUCH. WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER THAT'S MORE ENGAGED NOW THAN WE'VE HAD. PROPERLY ENGAGED SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE BACK IN THE OLD DAYS. SO THE THING ABOUT THE SCOPING, THOUGH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS I READ THE THE INTERLOCAL IS THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MULTI. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE THEIR BEST GUESS OF THE BUILD OUT OF THE PARK CENTER AND THIS AND THAT AND EVERYTHING THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT HAS TO ALL BE IN THERE BECAUSE WHAT I WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE THIS FIGHT EVERY TIME THERE'S AN UPGRADE. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENT I ACTUALLY LIKE IT IS THAT WE DO THAT. THEN WE MAKE PLANS ON FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN YOU DO THE PARK CENTER, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE. WHEN YOU GUYS DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THIS. IF WE ONLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LITTLE BITTY PIECES AND WE PIECEMEAL TOGETHER, IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IN OF THE DAY. WE'RE ALL TRYING TO KEEP THE KIDS SAFE AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. RIGHT. ALL THE DATA TELLS YOU EVERYTHING. YOU CAN, THEN RUN IT THROUGH LIKE A SYNCHRO PROGRAM AND ACTUALLY SHOW IT ALL MODELED OUT HOW EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BACK UP AND NOT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE RUN STOP SIGNS. ALL THAT'S IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE CITY OF HUTTO OPERATE EXTREMELY EFFICIENTLY. AND THE PROBLEM IS IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO LATE ON SOME OF OUR ROADWAYS, BUT WE CAN FIX IT LATER. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT THE TREES AND I APPRECIATE THE MEETING WITH THE CHIEF. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THIS PARTNERSHIP IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING AND YOU'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS IN TERMS OF BACKUPS AND CONGESTION, INSTEAD OF JUST GOING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. HOPEFULLY WE SEE US. NOT WHAT WE CAN'T DO. NOTHING. IT'S WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. LET'S GO MEET WITH THE CITY AND LET'S PARTNER BECAUSE WE END UP CATCHING ALL THE GRIEF ON EVERY BACKUP. AND NO ONE EVER COMPLAINS THAT THE BACKUPS, BECAUSE OF SCHOOL, IT'S ALWAYS YOU NEED MORE COPS TO DO THIS. YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD PEOPLE DO THIS. YOU GUYS NEED TO COME OUT AND WIDEN THE ROAD. AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LIKE 20 YEARS BEHIND ON WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON ROADS. SO ANYTHING WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GUYS BUILD OUT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER. I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER. I MEAN THAT ALONE, IF YOU BUILD THAT WHOLE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I MEAN SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WIDEN 1660 AND LINEAR LOOP. AND MY GUESS IS THE TIRE WILL SAY YOU GUYS ARE PART RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF IT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BULK OF IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ADD, YOU KNOW, 5000 STUDENTS IN THE NORTH END OF TOWN AND US PAY TO GET THEM UP THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT. IF WE BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER IN THE EDGE OF TOWN, WE WOULD ASK THE SAME THING. THE TIRE WOULD BE DONE AND WE'D SAY, THAT INTERSECTION THREE MILES AWAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO. BUT THIS ONE OVER HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ARE YOU'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO MEET BETTER. AND THE LAST THING I'D SAY IS, PLEASE GOD, IF WE CAN WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN AND MEMORIALIZE IT LIKE THE INNER SAYS TO DO SO, THAT THEN WHEN WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL, THE PLANNING DIRECTORS, THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY MANAGER'S NOW A STATE SENATOR, WHATEVER'S GOING ON, WE HAVE IT MEMORIALIZED. SO AT LEAST THE NEXT COUNCIL CAN SAY THEY CAN BE JERKS AND NOT FOLLOW THROUGH. OR THEY CAN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU GUYS MET, YOU FOLLOWED EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT MAKES FOR A LOT BETTER PARTNERSHIPS AND A LOT LESS JUST GRIEF IN GENERAL. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK EVERYBODY HAS DONE AND I THINK THE LANDSCAPING LOOKS GREAT AND I DO HOPE WE. CHANGE OUR LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE SOON. AND I KNOW WE'RE WAITING ON THE COMP PLAN FOR THAT. SO. IF THEY CAME OFF AS MEAN AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, BUT. SO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT FIRST AMENDMENT FIRST. WE HAD A MOTION IN A SECOND CHAIR FOR THAT TIME. I DO NOT BELIEVE SO. THAT'S NOT CONTEMPLATED IN THE ILLINOIS. MEANING GOOD FAITH MOTION WITH AN AMENDMENT. SO IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT. OKAY, YOU APPROVED IT. YOUR MOTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS APPROVED. 11 THREE IS PRESENTED WITH WITH THE MOTION WITH THAT NEW ADDENDUM. YES. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNCIL THORNTON APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER ZERO, DASH 2022, DASH 059 AS PRESENTED WITH THE STIPULATION THE TIRE GETS COMPLETED BEFORE SEO IS WAS ISSUED. ISSUED? WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY OPENED AND CLOSED? DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN FIRST BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? WE GOTTA DO THAT AGAIN. YEAH, LET'S DO THAT THEN. IF WE CAN TAILOR YOUR MOTION. SURE. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 930. PM. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE CITY THAT. WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. [02:30:01] CNN WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SINCE WE'RE ADMITTING THAT IT IS SOMEWHAT A FAULT OF THE CITIES, DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD COST SHARE ON THAT IDEA IN GOOD SPIRIT WITH THE IOWA? NO. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THEY WERE EMAILING A CITY ENGINEER THAT. WASN'T RESPONDING, AND NO ONE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO GO TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGER. AND SO, AGAIN, IF I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A TEACHER, I RESOLVE ALL RESPONSIBILITY AND THEN SAY, WELL, THEY WERE GOING TO PAY FOR IT AT THAT TIME. WHAT CHANGES A YEAR LATER, LIKE WHY? JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GET DONE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ASKING THAT IT CHANGES. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT IF WE'RE PUTTING IT AS A CONTINGENCY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THEIR CEO, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THEN I DON'T. IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT GOOD SPIRIT, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DIFFERENT FROM A DEVELOPER, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE THIS DISCONNECT AND THE FACT THAT COUNCIL ADDS THE STUDENTS. DEVELOPERS ARE FOR PROFIT. THAT'S WHY THERE'S IMPACT FEES. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ISN'T. WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TAX RATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE ISD, WHEN IN FACT A LOT OF THAT IS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE HAVING TO BUILD ALL OF THESE EXTRA CAMPUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND MARY, I KNOW YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PAY. I MEAN, TEACHERS ARE RIGHT THERE AS WELL. AND I'M NOT COMPARING AS FAR AS THE DANGER OF THE LINE OF WORK, BUT AS FAR AS BEING A PUBLIC SERVANT AND WHERE THE PAY IS IN THE DUTY THAT THEY PERFORM, IT'S PRETTY LOW AS WELL AS FAR AS PAY GOES AND TREATMENT. AND IT'S BEEN A MASS EXODUS. SO IF THAT'S OUR REQUIREMENT AND WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DROPPED THE BALL IN SOME WAY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IT 100%. BUT YOU DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S. SOME SORT OF COST SHARING THAT SHOULD GO INTO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY BUDGETED WHENEVER THEY WERE PLANNING THIS PORTION TO TALK ABOUT SCREENS AND LANDSCAPING. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WERE BUDGETING THAT. A TIA WOULD GET THROWN IN THERE JUST WELL, THE TIA SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUDGETED WHEN THE PROJECT WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO AND WE DID COST SHARE SKILLS DOWN ON LIMMER THAT I DON'T THINK WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE A TIA WOULD SOLVE THAT. WE DID COST SHARE AN ISSUE WITH SIDEWALKS AT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SCHOOL NAME AT WHO I THINK IT'S. SWINDELL YES. WENDELL YES, AND ELAINE. SO WE DID THAT. SO IF EVERY TIME THE CITY MAKES A MISTAKE, WE CALL SHARE WITH THE OTHER PERSON, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. BECAUSE NOT THAT YOU'RE I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT PERFECT, YOU'LL MAKE MISTAKES. BUT WE HAD SOME PRETTY BAD ACTORS IN THE CITY, AND WE'RE ALREADY PAYING ENOUGH FOR THAT. AND THEY ARE. FOUR TIMES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP AND BETTERING THAT PARTNERSHIP. SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT TO WORK TO MEND THINGS AND IT MAY COME AT A COST, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THAT MENDING PHASE SO THAT WHENEVER WE DO HAVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THEN IT'S SET IN STONE, THINGS ARE LAID OUT AND THEN THERE MAY NOT BE COST SHARING. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD ARGUE, WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK THE COST SHARING, IF THAT WAS TO COME UP, THAT MAY BE WHAT THE RESULTS OF THE TIA SAYS. WELL, KEEP IN MIND, THERE'S AN LOCAL. NO ONE'S PROVIDED PROOF THAT THEY FILED THE INTERLOCAL. THE INTERLOCAL SAYS YOU MEET WITH THE CITY, YOU WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN, ALL YOUR DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES, AND THAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR IT. NOBODY PROVIDED THAT. SO I THINK. THE MOTION COULD BE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TIRE DONE BEFORE WE EVEN LET YOU START CONSTRUCTION LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD. SO WE'RE I MEAN, IT COULD BE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PASS COUNCIL. RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GIVING IS WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THAT BEFORE THE START. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU DO IT. JUST MAKE SURE IT'S DONE BEFORE YOU'RE DONE BEFORE YOU'RE DONE WITH THE PROJECT AND YOU DON'T. AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THEM TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP IN THE TIRE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. EITHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT ASKING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO SAY. SO THERE'S REALLY NO WE DON'T KNOW. BUT BUT WE WE'RE GIVING THEM PERMISSION TO DO THE PROJECT SO WE CAN'T STOP THIS PROJECT. BASED ON THAT. ALL WE'RE SAYING IS DO IT. BEFORE THE CAR, WE DIDN'T SAY DO THE TIRE AND COMPLETE $14 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS THAT IT COMES UP ON IT. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A TIRE. MY GUESS IS THE NEXT PHASE THAT COMES IN. IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START HITTING ON OK NOW, NOW THAT YOU'RE EXPANDING, WHATEVER YOU'RE EXPANDING, THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO DO SO. SO THEN THE NEXT PROJECT THE CITY CAN COVER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COVER THIS PROJECT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. THE NEXT. NO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DATA RIGHT AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE. SO THEY SAY THE C PAYS FOR IT, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW. NORMALLY I NORMALLY THEY PAY KINSEY ON COST SHARING BETWEEN THE CITY AND NOT NECESSARILY MAYBE A 50, 50, MAYBE 6040. [02:35:02] BUT I MEAN, I WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD AND I'M OKAY WITH THE IDEA BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I WANT THE WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME COST SHARING AND BUT. LET'S SAY YOU MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. MY TURN. SORRY, SIR. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE PATIENT. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO. MY ONLY COMMENTS WERE THAT I VOTED IN FAVOR OF ASKING THE ISP TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY TREES REALLY DIED AND TO BE COMMITTED TO REPLACE THEM. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I SUSPECTED THE NUMBER WOULD BE PRETTY LOW. I'M COUNTING SIX. SO APPRECIATE THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. ALSO, I VOTED IN FAVOR OF ASKING YOU TO GO BACK AND JUST DOUBLE CHECK WITH BOTH PARTIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS WERE GOOD. LOOKS LIKE THEY CAME UP WITH A SLIGHTLY MODIFIED PLAN. AND I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT. THAT WAS AWESOME. I ORIGINALLY VOTED AGAINST TYING THE TIRE TO THIS, BUT NOW I'M IN FAVOR OF IT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DO IT AND YOU'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH STAFF AND IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE THE 18 MONTHS IS DONE ANYWAY. YOU ALREADY DOING IT. AND SO IT'S NOT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN THAT I CAN SEE. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ALREADY WILLING TO DO IT OVER A YEAR AGO AND AGAIN FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THEN, BUT YOUR INTENTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO DO IT. YOU JUST NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO IT. SO I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT A GOOD PLAN AND I'M READY TO VOTE. I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHAT WE WERE DOING, MAN. SORRY. WE STARTED RUNNING AGAIN. NO, NO, NO, NO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN I REMEMBERED. YOU DID. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. PASSES 701 TO WAIVE THE SECOND READING SO MOVED. SECOND QUESTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. WE CAN'T WAIVE THE SECOND READING. THIS IS ANOTHER ZONING ORDINANCE. IT SAYS IT'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, SO IT WILL BRING IT BACK ON CONSENT NEXT TIME. LET THE RECORD SHOW. I TRIED TO GET IT PASSED ON A SECOND READING. OKAY. CAN WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND TAKE A RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES AT 937? CATCH ON THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. RECONVENING FROM RECESS AT 947. [12.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments. (City Council)] NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS ITEM 12 ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, RE APPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. SO, MAYOR, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK AND WE DISCUSSED AND ARE PREPARED TO PUT FORTH NOMINEES FOR TERM BOARD NUMBER TWO THAT NEEDS TO BE FORMED. I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO SEND OUT THAT LIST SO EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT. I THINK YESTERDAY, THE FULL LIST. BUT THE NAMES THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO PUT FORTH ARE MIKE MENDEZ, WHO WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT HE BE NAMED CHAIR. ALSO, AARON CLANCY, MARCUS COLEMAN, KURT SCHWARZENEGGER, MIKE SNYDER, RANDALL CLARK AND DAN THORNTON. AND THESE ARE MADE UP OF MEMBERS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THE CITY COUNCIL, AND ONE MEMBER OF PLANNING AND ZONING. THAT'S MOTION. YES. SECOND MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. THE PLANE CARRIES IS CHAIR. ERIN CLANCY AND MARCUS COLEMAN. HOW DO YOU SAY HIS NAME? CURT SHORT. CURT SHORT FIGURE. MIKE SNYDER. RANDALL CLARK. AND DAN THORNTON TO THE TOURIST BOARD TO. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. MY ONLY DISCUSSION IS SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOTICE POSSIBLE EDC QUORUM EVERY TIME WE MEET. YEAH. YEAH. AND WE DISCUSSED THAT. OK JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THE EDC AND EVERY ONE OF THEIR AGENDAS, THEY NOTICE POSSIBLE FORM OF COUNCIL JUST IN CASE MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOW UP. SO WE FIGURED THAT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF IS AWARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. [02:40:03] JUST HAVE IT AS PART OF THE POSSIBLE EDC QUORUM EVERY TIME. DISCUSSION. PETER, CAN YOU SAY WHO'S FROM WHICH I KNOW MIKE, CDC. OH, SURE. SO MIKE MENDEZ, ERIN CLANCY AND MARCUS KOHLMANN ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE EDC. KURT IS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING. OKAY. AND THEN RANDALL AND MIKE ARE. SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. QUORUM IS QUORUM, RIGHT? EXACTLY. IT IS. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I SAID WE NEED TO NOTICE THE COUNTY NOT BEING PART OF IT. WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT. EDC AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ON IT AND THAT WAS JUST KIND OF OUR POOL. AND THEN OF COURSE, CURT WAS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING. OPTION TWO. SO MUCH. I WANT TO RECOMMEND OTHER PEOPLE. WE CAN DEFINITELY DISCUSS THAT. BUT. YES. WE CAN TALK THROUGH, I GUESS, OUR REASONING BEHIND IT. MY ONLY MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHEN DID YOU ALL MEET? BUSTER WAS THIRSTY. SO THE THIRD. OH, SO. SO THAT'S YOUR OFFICIAL LAST ONE THEN? YEAH, THAT WAS OUR LAST. YEAH. BECAUSE NOW IT SWITCHES OVER, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH, THAT WAS OUR LAST ONE. SO SINCE BY CHANCE WE HAVE THE EDC GENERAL COUNCIL HERE. YEAH. FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A QUORUM OF YOUR COURT WITH DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ON COUNCIL, BUT YOU DON'T DO A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AGENDA EVERY COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING ACTION ON OR CITY COUNCIL ITEM. WHAT WE DO WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AGENDA IS THERE IS A PARAGRAPH AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS OR THE COUNCIL MAY ATTEND IN NUMBERS THAT MAY CONSTITUTE A QUORUM, BUT THAT IF THEY DO, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ACTION TAKEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACTION FOR THAT THAT THAT BOARD. AND SO WE DO GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL QUORUM, LIKE A NOTICE OF POSSIBLE QUORUM, BUT THAT THEIR ACTION IS GOING TO BE TAKEN. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THE TERS MEETINGS BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE DEALING WITH TURGEMAN TERS BUSINESS ONLY AND THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. OKAY. HEARD IN THEIR DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY I COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE.. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. TEM GORDON, AYE.. MOTION PASSES, SEVEN ZERO. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD'VE ASKED IT BEFORE. DID EVERYONE ON THIS LIST, WERE THEY ASKED OR NOTIFIED TO? B, NOT THE COUNCIL, NOT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WEREN'T THERE, BUT ALL THE OTHER. BUT THE OTHER ONES? YES. PETER, YOU TOOK CARE OF THAT, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. YEP. OKAY. THE OTHER, MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T LIKE, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE ACTUALLY LIKE THREE WE HAVE IN CASE SOMEBODY SAID NO. WE HAD SOMEONE SAID, NO WAY, CALL A, B AND C OR PETER DID IT. ANYWAYS, WE JUST KIND OF WERE TALKING TODAY. ALL RIGHTY. INTERACTION FOR 12 ONE. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT WAS IT WAS GREAT TO SERVE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE THIS PAST YEAR. I THINK WE ENJOYED IT, THE THREE OF US, AND SET FORTH SOME PRETTY GOOD STANDARD PRACTICES I THINK REALLY WELL MEETING WITH INCLUDING THE THE CHAIRS OF EACH OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATED PARTICIPATION. SO I THINK IT WENT, YEAH, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST THROW A POST ON THE FORUM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD COMMENTS TO IT AND JUST SAY WHAT WE THOUGHT WENT WELL THIS YEAR SO THAT I KNOW THE MEMBERS TAKING OVER CAN. USE THAT AS THEY WISH OR IGNORE IT OR WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO. I LIKE THAT. SO IT'S 135 NOW, RIGHT? SO FOR NOW. ONE, TWO, THREE. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM 12 TWO PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ACCEPT THE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDING OCTOBER 31ST, 2022. [12.2. Presentation and possible action to accept the financial report for the month ending October 31, 2022 (Christina Bishop)] THE MOST EXCITING TIME. I AGREE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRISTINA BISHOP, ACTING FINANCE DIRECTOR. I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE FINANCIAL AND INVESTMENT REPORT FOR OCTOBER 31ST, 2022. IT IS BRIEF BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST MONTH OF THE YEAR, SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY TO REPORT. FIRST, WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND SNAPSHOT. WE'RE AT 4.2% OF REVENUES, 2.75 OF EXPENDITURES. REALLY ON THE REVENUE SIDE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AD VALOREM TAXES COLLECTED IN OCTOBER. THOSE GET COLLECTED CLOSER TO THE DUE DATES. FRANCHISE FEES IN GENERAL ARE COLLECTED QUARTERLY, SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE. INTEREST IN THIS ENVIRONMENT IS VERY FAVORABLE. WE'VE COLLECTED ALMOST 200% OF OUR BUDGET. AND THEN ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 3% OF EXPENDITURES. [02:45:01] AND PERSONALLY, FOR ME, THE EXPENDITURES ARE ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT PAINFUL TO LOOK AT IN OCTOBER BECAUSE YOU SEE ALL THE HOLES, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ENGINEERING. IF YOU'RE NOT BILLED FOR THINGS UNTIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER THE FACT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY EXPENDITURES THERE. AND THAT'S A BIG HOLE. SAME WITH LEGAL. IF WE GOT OUR BILL IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, I'M SORRY, IT MIGHT NOT BE POSTED IN OCTOBER. SO THE FIRST MONTH IS REALLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO DRAW SOME CONCLUSIONS ON. WE DID HAVE A VERY FAVORABLE MONTH OF SALES TAXES ONCE. ONCE AGAIN, WE EXCEEDED OUR ESTIMATE BY. ALMOST 200,000. SO THAT WAS GOOD TO SEE. AND I KNOW LAST TIME I PRESENTED A FINANCIAL REPORT, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ON HOW OUR BUILDING PERMIT REVENUES ARE LOOKING BECAUSE WE WERE EXPECTING THINGS TO SLOW DOWN OVER PRIOR FISCAL YEARS. WE DID BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY THIS YEAR. SO I PUT TOGETHER A CHART THAT WE CAN USE IN OUR FINANCIAL REPORTS GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK. NOVEMBER WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOW MONTH. SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS TO BACKTRACK, WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS IS FOR THE PRIOR FISCAL YEARS, HOW MUCH OF OUR ACTUAL REVENUES WERE COLLECTED IN THAT PARTICULAR MONTH. AND FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, I LOOKED AT HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET WAS COLLECTED IN THAT. SO IN OCTOBER WE HAD 8%, WHICH WAS KIND OF IN LINE WITH HISTORICAL TRENDS. 3% IS A LITTLE LOW, BUT WE EXPECTED THAT AND WE'RE NOT TERRIBLY ALARMED AT THIS POINT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO MONITOR GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR BUILDING REVENUES. THEN MY FINAL SLIDE IS A SUMMARY. I THINK THE BIGGEST ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER WAS THE ISSUANCE OF THE 2020 TO GO BONDS. WE HAD $25 MILLION IN PROCEEDS. AND THEN AS PART OF THIS, THIS BOND ISSUANCE, WE HAD TO SET ASIDE OUR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO COMPLETE THE FME 1660 PROJECTS BASED ON THE MOST RECENT COST ESTIMATES FROM AGENCY B, WE ARE EXPECTING IT TO COST ABOUT 14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO FINISH THOSE THREE PROJECTS, AND THOSE FUNDS NEED TO BE SET ASIDE. FINALLY, THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ON THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR PREVIOUS 1660S SOFT COSTS. WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO BE TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS. I THINK IT COULD COME IN AT A LITTLE BIT LESS. WE'RE WORKING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHICH COSTS ARE GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE REIMBURSED. AND IF WE DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH THAT REIMBURSEMENT, WE WILL NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION PER OUR FISCAL POLICY. SO THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH TWO SCENARIOS. IF WE DO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND OR IT WILL BE WE'LL HAVE ABOUT $8 MILLION FOR OTHER PROJECTS. IF WE DON'T REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT TEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR OTHER PROJECTS. SO I'M SORRY I WENT THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT QUICKLY. BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO REPORT IN OCTOBER, BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO FIELD QUESTIONS. SO THE ONE I HAVE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDES TO THE SALES TAX? YES, SURE. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD ON AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THE DATA, THE DETAIL OF DATA YOU GET FROM DO YOU JUST GET A FLAT AMOUNT OF THIS IS HOW MUCH WE COLLECTED FOR THAT MONTH? OR DO YOU HAVE IT BROKEN OUT BY WEEKEND OR DATES OR SO AS WE DO FESTIVALS OR WE DO AN EVENT OR YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THAT YOU TALK ABOUT WE HAD PLAYOFF GAMES IN NOVEMBER THAT WERE HOSTED AT HUTTO. I WOULD LIKE TO START SEEING IF WE'RE IF WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DATA TO SEE DO YOU SEE SPIKES IN DATA OR PEOPLE COMING TO COKE FEST AND THEN SPENDING MONEY IN HUTTO AND WE SEE THAT UPTICK BECAUSE AS I LOOK FORWARD OF WHEN WE AS AN EDC LOOKING FOR INCENTIVIZING THINGS, IF YOU DON'T SEE ANY UPTICK OF ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THEN YOU'RE JUST KIND OF THROWING MONEY AWAY VERSUS YOU'RE INCENTIVIZING SOMETHING THAT CREATES GENERATION AND THEN THAT HELPS YOU DECIDE WHICH PROJECTS YOU SHOULD FUND OR WHAT TYPES OF PROJECTS YOU SHOULD FUND GOING FORWARD. IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PARTICULAR OUTCOMES, I MEAN, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU INCENTIVIZE SOME THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, WHICH IS AN INTANGIBLE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT THEN SOMETIMES YOU MAY INCENTIVIZE SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU PUT OUT A LITTLE MONEY BECAUSE YOU EXPECT TO MAKE MONEY FROM, FROM THE PROJECT, YOUR ROI. SO I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY LIKE THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, DOES DOES IT BREAK OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID EAT TREATS ON E STREET OR WHATEVER, DID WE SEE THAT WEEKEND? IT WAS A HUGE SPIKE UP ON THAT SATURDAY OR. SURE. GOOD QUESTION. WE DO HAVE A PRETTY SOPHISTICATED SOFTWARE THAT DOES GIVE US A LOT OF SALES TAX INFORMATION. I'VE PERSONALLY NEVER LOOKED TO SEE IF IT DOES BREAK DOWN BY DATES, WEEKENDS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I USE IT MORE FOR THIS INDUSTRY IS WE'RE COLLECTING THIS MUCH FROM THIS INDUSTRY AND THESE TAX PAYERS. IT IS A VERY SOPHISTICATED SOFTWARE AND I WILL FIND THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BECAUSE THAT IS VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION TO HAVE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DO AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT. [02:50:08] THERE ARE SOME EVENTS YOU DO JUST TO SPEND MONEY AND THERE ARE SOME IF WE THINK WE'RE DOING THIS EVENT AND WE DROP $50,000 TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT THEY GET A MODEST INCREASE IN REVENUE. I SAID IT MAY BE CHEAPER FOR THE CITY JUST TO WRITE CHECKS TO THE BUSINESSES. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU CAN SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY AND MAKE A LITTLE BIT. NOW, SOME THINGS YOU MAKE IT UP AN ENJOYMENT, QUALITY OF LIFE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT'S THE QUALITY. AND THOSE ARE THAT'S A TANGIBLE BENEFIT. THAT ALSO IS A DECISION THAT'S COUNCIL. BUT JUST TO KNOW, HAVE THE DATA BEHIND IT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND THESE ARE THESE AREN'T THE ANSWER NOW BUT THINGS ARE LOOK AT. SO THE SALES TAX ON THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS ESTIMATED AT 7.75. BUT THE BUDGET 7575. AND SO I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE USING EXCEL SPREADSHEETS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MISS KEY. AND THEN PAGE 281 OF THE PACKET I WAS TRYING TO FIND THAT PAGE 21 HAS THE SALES TAX AT 7.615 AS A BUDGET. SO WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT BUDGETED NUMBERS FOR SALES TAX. AND THEN I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PERMIT LICENSE ONE. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LARGE CATEGORY. WE'RE ALREADY DOWN. IF TRENDS CONTINUE, WE'LL BE DOWN LIKE 25%. BUT LOOKING AT LIKE 20, 21 TO 2022, WE'RE AT NINE, THEN 18, TEN, 11. AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT WHEN INTEREST RATES STARTED KICKING UP BECAUSE THEN WE STARTED DROPPING BELOW. AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRENDING LOWER THE WHOLE REST OF THE YEAR. AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND SO I'D LIKE US TO ALMOST HAVE A PLAN THAT POTENTIALLY, IF WE TREND DOWN 25% FOR THE YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, I THINK. I THINK THAT NUMBER WOULD BE LIKE ALMOST 950,000. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT MONEY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR SALARIES. I HOPE NOT. BUT IF WE CAN START PLANNING NOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS CITIES STRUGGLED WITH BEFORE IS WE SAID, WELL, LET'S WAIT A COUPLE OF MORE MONTHS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY. AND THEN YOU ANSWERED ABOUT ENGINEERING. BUT CAN WE NOT FORCE HIM TO SEND A BILL REGULARLY? I DON'T GET PAID BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST PAID LIKE 750,000 ALL AT ONCE. AND TO ME, THAT SEEMS AN AWFUL WAY TO MANAGE MONEY WHEN WHEN THEY NEED A PAYCHECK, THEN THEY SEND US A BILL. BUT I WOULD THINK IT'D BE MONTHLY OR LIKE YOU DON'T GET PAID OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CONTRACT SAYS, BUT. MAYOR COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, JAMES EARP, CITY MANAGER. I GUESS IT DEPENDS. AND I GIVE THIS ANSWER A LOT. I KNOW IT DEPENDS IF IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ENGINEERING THAT'S GOING ON WITH LIKE ENGINEERING ON 1660 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN REQUIRE THAT THEY INVOICE US AT ANY POINT IN TIME. GENERALLY AS THEY EXPENSE WORK THAN THEY INVOICE FOR FOR A MONTH OR THE, OR IF WE HAVE IT SET IN THEIR CONTRACT, YOU WILL PAY A FIXED RATE FOR 30% THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF OF BEING BILLED THE THE 775 NUMBER THAT WAS THE ANNUAL CONTRACT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE FOR THE IN HOUSE ENGINEERING SO THAT NUMBER DOESN'T GO UP OR DOWN. IT WAS IT WAS A SET NUMBER. THEY JUST BUILT IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR SO. RIGHT. BUT SEE SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO SEE THIS MONTHLY BECAUSE WE SAID HEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU FIVE MORE POSITIONS AND YOU'LL ADJUST YOUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ENGINEERING OFFSET BY THAT. WELL WHAT I DON'T WANT AND MY BIGGEST FEAR I THINK I TALKED TO CUSTOMER TALK ABOUT IS WE'RE GOING TO COME LIKE FIVE MONTHS IN AND GO, OH SNAP, WE'RE 100,000 OVER BECAUSE WE USE OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE ENGINEERS MORE THAN WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE, AND WE DIDN'T WIN THEM OFF IN TIME. AND THEN I'M REALLY GOING TO BE I MEAN, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH I WAS LIKE, I'M GETTING NERVOUS HERE. AND SO I'M AFRAID IT WILL GO THROUGH. WE HIRED EVERYBODY. WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERYTHING CHUGGING ALONG, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO SEND US A BILL AND WE'RE GOING TO GO, WE'RE OVER. AND I'M STILL NOT HAPPY THAT WE SPENT $2 MILLION ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LAST YEAR FOR ENGINEERING, BECAUSE IF IF WE KNEW MONTHLY, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE WE HAD A 500,000 BILL FOR SITE PLANS, WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT AND I WOULD HAVE MADE A MOTION TO FIRE THAT COMPANY. AND THEN IF WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WE WERE UP TO 1,000,002 AND CITY ENGINEERING FEES, I WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST GUY GOING, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY HERE, LIKE HIRE SOME PEOPLE. SO IN OUR BUDGET I MEANT TO BRING THE BUDGET WITH ME, BUT OUR ENGINEERING NUMBER ON THERE SEEMS AWFULLY LOW FROM WHAT WE ALL THE STUFF WE HAVE GOING ON. SO YEAH, WE'RE THREE MONTHS IN. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ENGINEERING DOLLARS SPENT SO THAT WE THEN WHEN WE START HAVING THESE SALARIES COME IN. [02:55:02] UM, YEAH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD PEOPLE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A LONG THING. AND I FORGOT WHAT THAT NOTE IS. OH, YEAH. THERE'S 1,000,001, TWO, TWO 746 IN ENGINEERING. AND WE APPROVED FIVE POSITIONS AND WE AGREED ON 1117 TO REDUCE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BY 775,000. SO THAT LEAVES 347,736 TO BE SPENT BY PROFESSIONAL SERVICE ENGINEERS BASED ON THE WAY WE WERE CHEWING THROUGH MONEY LAST YEAR. THREE MONTHS IS UP. THAT MEANS, LIKE IN MY MIND, GARVER IS DOWN TO A COUPLE OF WEEKS. IF WE CONTINUE ON THE BUDGET, WE SAID, BECAUSE YOU ONLY GOT 350,000. AND THEN. THIS IS A WEIRD ONE. THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES YOU GAVE US, THE BUDGET FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WAS 92,000 AND THERE WAS A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET. WE APPROVED FOR REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICES AT 20 GRAND. BUT NOW THE PACKET WE GOT SENT. HAS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AT 112,000. SO IT'S THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. AND SO I'M GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING BACK IN THE OLD DAYS. BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WE HAD A CFO, AND THIS ISN'T YOU. I'M SURE IT'S RECONCILIATION, BUT WE HAD A CFO THAT WOULD COME UP, I SWEAR TO GOD EVERY MONTH AND WOULD TAKE A BUDGET AND SPLIT IT BETWEEN TWO CATEGORIES AND THEN ANOTHER BUDGET, ANOTHER CATEGORY. SHE WOULD COMBINE TWO THINGS AND ME AND THE MAYOR PUT HIM AT THE TIME KEPT SAYING, STOP DOING THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE WANT THE BUDGET TO BE THE EXACT SAME UNTIL THE COUNCIL. MAKES AN AMENDMENT. AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, WE DID A FORENSIC AUDIT AND FOUND OUT THAT SHE MADE LIKE 70 SOMETHING TRANSFERS IN ONE DAY AND WE STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. SO WHEN I SEE THAT, IT'S I'M SURE IT'S NOTHING, BUT IT ALWAYS TRIGGERS ME TO LIKE, HEY, WHY DID WE SPLIT UP A CATEGORY? WHY DO WE COMBINE IT? AND THEN A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONCE UPON A TIME I READ WE HAVE TO REPORT OUR HOT FUND EXPENDITURES TO THE STATE, BUT WE HADN'T DONE IT. WHEN I GO WHEN I WENT ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S BEEN A YEAR OR TWO, WE WENT I WENT ON A SECRETARY OF MAYBE IT'S A STATE OR COMPTROLLER. WE HADN'T REPORTED IT IN OUR BUDGET. WE DON'T HAVE ANY HOT REVENUES COMING IN, AND I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD LAG A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE WOULD BE MAYBE GETTING LIKE SALES TAX, WE'D BE GETTING SAY JULY IS HOT TAXES IN OCTOBER. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE USING HOT MONEY TO FUND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCILMEMBER CLARK IS TALKING ABOUT. AND SO WHEN THERE'S A RECESSION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING UP OR DOWN. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS. PARKS IMPROVEMENT FUND BUDGET AMENDMENT. I'VE GOT NO MONEY BUDGET NOW WE HAVE 15,370. SO IN THAT PARKS IMPROVEMENT. CATEGORY HERE. WE BUDGETED NO EXPENDITURES IN THAT IN THAT DEPARTMENT OR IN THAT CATEGORY. BUT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 15,000. AND SO IT JUST POPPED IN MY MIND. IT'S NOT THAT IT MEANS ANYTHING. IT'S PAGE 287 OF THE PACKET, BUT I'LL SEE IT. AGAIN, 15 GRAND. NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. SURE. SO I CAN SPEAK ON A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS. SO I WILL CHECK IN ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE HOTEL TAX REPORTING. I'LL SEND A STAFF TO MAKE THAT A HIGH PRIORITY. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR HOTELS WHO REMITS MONTHLY. SO ONCE I KNOW WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WITH AS THIS IS THE OCTOBER REPORT, BUT COME NOVEMBER, WE SHOULD SEE THAT ONE HOTEL REMITTING THEIR THEIR FIRST MONTH OF REVENUES. THE OTHER HOTELS IN TOWN REMIT THEM QUARTERLY. IN TERMS OF THE PARKLAND FEES. SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY A RECEIPT THAT GOT DEPOSITED AT A DEVELOPER HAD GIVEN US MONEY FOR A TREE IN LIEU OF FEE. IT WASN'T THE TRADITIONAL PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FEE. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN OCTOBER THAT, YES, WE CAN BUY THE TREES WITH THOSE FUNDS, BUT WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENTS MIDYEAR IN MARCH. YES. OKAY. AND AND AGAIN, FULL DISCLOSURE, I KNOW THAT I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT CITY MANAGERS COME UP WITH, WITH THE BUDGETING AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO MAKE ME REALLY EXCITED FOR ALL THE CHANGES. SO I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. YEAH. AND THEN AND THERE MAY BE A REASON. I KNOW WE HAVE A WELLS FARGO BANK ACCOUNT, WHICH IS OUR OPERATIONAL ACCOUNT THAT BASICALLY I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY FIND ONE THAT AT LEAST GIVES YOU 0.1%, BUT BASICALLY IT EARNS 0%. SO MY QUESTION IS, THOUGH, YOU ONLY TOOK OUT $500,000 OUT OF THAT ACCOUNT OVER THE YEAR. [03:00:06] OVER THE MONTH, BUT WE EARN 0%. SO DO WE NEED TO KEEP 13 MILLION IN THAT ACCOUNT OR CAN WE MOVE 8 MILLION OF IT INTO THE TAX POOL ACCOUNT AND BE GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL INTEREST? AND THEN EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO A MONTHLY BALANCE TRANSFER, AT LEAST YOU EARNED A PERSON SALARY AND INTEREST JUST BECAUSE WE'RE $8 MILLION SITTING AT 3%, THAT'S FREE MONEY THAT WE'RE JUST NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT IS SOMETHING ON THE TO DO LIST IS TO SORT OF SET SOME OUR MINIMUM BALANCE. AND WELLS FARGO, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW JUST BASICALLY NOT EARNING INTEREST, YOU ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD THINK YOU COULD AT LEAST MOVE 8 MILLION OF IT PROBABLY. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE YOUR NEXT UPDATE THAT THAT'S HAPPENED, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WASTE ANY MORE MONTHS OF LOSING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN FOUR MORE MONTHS AND WE'RE PROBABLY STILL AT 13 MILLION IN THAT ACCOUNT. AND THAT'S I CAN ALWAYS MAKE A CONSERVATIVE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND IF YOU FIND OUT LATER THAT YOU CAN GO EVEN FURTHER THAN GREAT, BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUILDING PERMIT REVENUE. SO I'M ASSUMING THIS IS COMBINED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. YES, I BELIEVE. YES, I BELIEVE SO. IS THERE A WAY TO SPLIT IT OUT AND TO LOOK AT THOSE SEPARATE LAYERS THAT DIFFICULT? I LIKE THAT. I MIGHT HAVE TO DEFER TO ASHLEY ON THAT TO SEE IF RESIDENTIAL IS DROPPING, BUT COMMERCIALS STILL STAYING STEADY OR GOING UP AND I'M LESS WORRIED. I SHOULD NOT KNOW THESE NUMBERS. SO FOR THE SUMMER, WE ENDED THE YEAR AT 709, WHICH IS DOWN FROM HOW MANY WE DID IN THE LAST YEAR. IT IS DOWN FROM THAT 851 THAT WE DID THE YEAR PRIOR IN 2020. I THINK WE ENDED AT SEVEN OR NINE FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, IF I BELIEVE YOU'RE GETTING THIS IN YOUR NEXT FRIDAY LETTER ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS I WAS JUST LOOKING AT TODAY, YOU GUYS, I DON'T REMEMBER THESE THINGS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I THINK FOR COMMERCIAL, I THINK THE LAST YEAR WE DID 14 COMMERCIAL PERMITS. THIS YEAR WE'VE DONE 27 OR THAT'S WHAT WE ENDED 2022 WITH AND WE DO GRANTED. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THIS IS BASED ON THE FISCAL YEAR. THE WAY THAT I'M TRACKING PERMITS IS ACTUALLY ON THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO WHEN I'M DOING THE NUMBERS, I HAVE TO GO, OKAY, WE'LL WAIT. LET'S PULL THOSE NUMBERS AND LET'S PULL THESE NUMBERS WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE FISCAL. SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BUSY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE SO MUCH BUSIER ON THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE. SO CERTAINLY I THINK YOU'LL SEE AN UPTICK. THESE ARE JUST THE PERMIT REVENUES, BUT I THINK YOU'LL SEE AN UPTICK IN THE IMPACT FEES AND SITE PLAN FEES AND SOME OF THE PLANNING FEES BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING MORE ZONING AND WE'VE CHANGED THAT IN THE FEE SCHEDULE. BUT YEAH, WE WERE DOWN, I THINK WE DID 851 AND 2020 FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR. WE DID 709 AT THE BY THE END OF 2022 AND THEN LAST YEAR I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER IT, IT WAS IN 82. SO OUR HOUSING NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED BY 60, 70% THEN. HOWEVER, THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECTED. LAST YEAR WAS AN ANOMALY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE EVEN BUDGETED FOR. AS I SAID, DO NOT USE THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE HAVING, BECAUSE WITH COVID, A LOT OF PEOPLE WEREN'T DOING ANY RESALE HOMES. THEY WERE ONLY BUYING NEW. SO I THINK WE SAW THE HUGE UPTICK, BUT THAT'S WHY WE BUDGETED MORE TOWARDS THOSE 2020 NUMBERS PURPOSELY, BECAUSE I SAID I THINK THIS IS JUST AN ANOMALY. I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM TO HAVE THAT MUCH OF AN INCREASE. SO WE WENT BACK ABOUT TO OUR 2020 NUMBERS. SO IF WE LOOK AT IT, IF WE JUST TAKE OUT LAST YEAR, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN THAT NUMBER, BUT NOT BY MUCH BECAUSE OUR COMMERCIAL TICKED UP SO MUCH. IF IT'S POSSIBLE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SPLIT OUT GOING FORWARD, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, SO WE CAN GET THAT GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT'S DROPPING, WHAT'S INCREASING, WHERE THAT'S AT JUST ON THE PERMIT REVENUES. LIKE THIS SLIDE HERE, HAVE IT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND HERE'S HOW MUCH THE INCREASE AND DROP IS CAN WE DO IF WE NEED MULTIFAMILY TO BE GOOD IN MULTIFAMILY IS IN COMMERCIAL. MULTIFAMILY IS IN COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDER THE IRC. SORRY. SO WE CAN RESIDENTIAL UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENCE TO. I THINK IT'D BE USEFUL. I CAN PUT SOME ASTERIX IN THERE JUST SO WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE MULTIFAMILY IS ALWAYS DONE UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CODE BECAUSE OUR POPULATION GROWTH IS NOT SLOWING 60% BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE MULTIFAMILY. SO IT'S STILL IN THE MIDDLE SOMEWHERE. WE'RE DEFINITELY GETTING SOME OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. YEAH, SINCE I MEAN, WE ONLY HAD ONE TRUE APARTMENT COMPLEX WHEN I STARTED IN 2018. FIVE YEARS LATER, I THINK WE'VE GOT SIX ALMOST COMING ONLINE AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE BUILD THE FOUR RENT SINGLE FAMILY THAT WE HAVE COMING. WE'LL GO, WHAT, THREE OF THOSE FOUR? TWO OF THOSE THREE? WOW. BECAUSE IT'S URBANA, SCHMIDT'S CREEK. [03:05:03] UPPER SCHITT'S CREEK IS ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING. AND THEN WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING OVER WITH THE LANDING SITE FOR SMITHS CREEK. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE BELL YARD. WE'VE GOT THOSE TWO. THEN WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER ONES COMING IN OVER OFF THE EDGE. WE HAVE A FEW CONDOS GOING IN AND THE RC OR THE EMERY DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO HAVE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE CALLED HUTTO STATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM COME UP TO THIS MANY, MANY. SO, YEAH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IS MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL PERMIT SIDE RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE GROWTH THIS YEAR. THAT'S WHY I'M NOT AS CONCERNED, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY BIG PROJECTS COMING IN LIKE DALE WALKER AND STROMBERG, THAT JUST HAVEN'T STARTED PLOTTING YET. SO WE'RE FINISHING UP SOME, WE'RE STARTING SOME OTHERS. AND IN THAT MEANTIME, WE'RE REALLY BRINGING UP THOSE COMMERCIAL PERMITS. SO I GUESS MY ASK WOULD BE TO GET THE MULTIFAMILY NUMBER AND TO ALSO GET THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE TIED TO THAT. I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK. OKAY, LET'S DO THAT. OH, YEAH, I'M LOVING THIS BECAUSE YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO BECAUSE THE MORE YOU HAVE THAT, THE MORE YOU CAN EITHER. NO, WE MAY START VOTING NO ON MULTIFAMILY JUST BECAUSE LIKE, WE HAVE LIKE 2100 COMING. WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE. BUT RIGHT NOW, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD FIVE RENTAL COMMUNITIES COMING. I CAN GIVE YOU. FORGET OUR LOT NUMBERS ARE OUR NORMAL. I THINK OUR NUMBERS COMING IN FOR JUST UNIT COUNTS THAT WE KNOW OF ALREADY. I CAN GIVE ALL OF THAT WITH THIS NEXT ONE. IT'LL JUST TAKE ME, LIKE, 20 MINUTES. FOR THREE DAYS, MAYBE THREE DAYS. WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE A FEW HOURS. SO WE HAVE LOTS OF TIME. I KNOW I LIKE TO SEND EMAILS AS I'M LEAVING COUNCIL. I TOLD YOU THAT I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO SEND THAT OUT TONIGHT, THAT YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I DON'T HATE YOU WHEN I ASK THIS. BUT IS THERE A WAY ON OUR MONTHLY WE CAN ALSO GET IMPACT FEE INCOME BECAUSE I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT I FULLY OR THAT WE'VE FULLY GOTTEN AN ACCOUNTING OF OUR IMPACT FEE FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND I KNOW LIKE CITY MANAGER AND I TALKED, I KNOW IT'S COMING, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE NORTH OF LIMBER, WEST OF 132, WERE ALL THEY ALL CAME ON BOARD ALL THROUGH FINAL PLAT AFTER WE ADJUSTED THE IMPACT FEE FEES FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. BASED ON THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, THERE SHOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE MONEY IN THOSE ACCOUNTS THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING. AND SO I'M HOPING WE GET THAT NEXT HERE FAIRLY SOON. IT MAY BE WORTH PUTTING A LITTLE MONEY INTO. I HATE TO USE THE WORD, BUT A FORENSIC AUDIT OF THOSE FEES TO FIND OUT WERE THEY CHARGED. RIGHT. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO DEVELOPERS AND GET MONEY BACK BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT COME TO ONLY HAVE LIKE A MILLION SOME IMPACT FEES. EVEN. I WAS SHOWING THE MATH TO THE CITY MANAGER EVEN UNDER THE OLD. FEE SCHEDULE. WE SHOULD HAVE MUCH, MUCH MORE MONEY. AND SO WE DOUBLED THE FEES AND. BUT IF WE CAN SEE THAT GOING FORWARD, JUST SO WE CAN TRACK ALL THAT STUFF. SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER WITH YOUR BUDGETING, TOO. SO TO CLARIFY, YOU WOULD LIKE SO I HAVE THE UTILITY IMPACT FEES FUND WITH WHAT'S COMING IN EACH MONTH, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ACTUAL FUND BALANCE THERE IS THAT NO, THERE'S TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE. YEAH, THE IMPACT FEE, LIKE ALL THE WASTEWATER WATER AND ROAD IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE I THINK THE BUDGET AT ONE POINT DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROAD IMPACT FEES, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT ON THE BOOKS FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. AND SO SOMEONE SURELY IS PAYING FOR IT BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY THERE'S LIKE FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR FOUR PLATS THAT ALL GOT DONE AFTER WE INSTITUTED THAT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED THOSE ROAD IMPACT FEES. AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO PAY FOR SOME OF OUR IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT MONEY. LIKE THE URBANA, ONE EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THING AND I TALKED TO COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND SAID, IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO PLAT, BUT THIS WILL BE APPROVED AHEAD OF TIME. THAT ONE WAS LIKE $2.1 MILLION AT ONE PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WHERE'S THIS THESE NUMBERS? BECAUSE I WILL CLARIFY I WILL I WILL CONFIRM THIS. BUT I DO BELIEVE THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND IS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES. I WILL CONFIRM THAT. AND THAT'S I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE IT IS IN THE PACKET. WHICH ONE IS IT CALLED? THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND. IT'S PAGE 287 OF 309. CAN WE DO THAT IN LIKE A PARENTHESES, LIKE YOU GUYS, THERE WAS A CHANGE OF THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND. CHANGE NAMES. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. NOW IT'S A PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND ACQUISITION FUND AND THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUND IS THE IMPACT 15. YEAH. AND THEN ON PAGE 288 IS THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE FUND. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER WE COLLECTED 478,000 IN IMPACT FEES. AND THEN I'LL ALSO INCLUDE THE GOING FORWARD INCLUDE THE FUND BALANCES SO WE KNOW WHAT THE BALANCE IS IN THESE FUNDS, NOT JUST WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON YEAR TO DATE TO BE GOOD. [03:10:06] BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE LIKE. WE DID THE PILOT FOR MITCHELL'S PLACE ON EXCHANGE, AND I'D HAD TO GO LOOK AND SEE WHEN WE REDID THAT, BUT WE REDID IT AFTER THE FUN, SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE CHECK. COME IN THERE. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE BUILDING ON THE NORTH END OF 1660 AND 137 AND THERE SHOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHECKS IN ORDER. AND I THINK SIGNIFICANT IS BECAUSE EVERY TIME A COMMERCIAL PERSON COMES IN WITH RETAIL, THE FIRST THING THEY TELL THE EDC IS YOUR IMPACT FEES ARE OUTRAGEOUS. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN FEES. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP ON THAT REPORTING. SO. SO ON THAT NOTE, THE COMMERCIAL USUALLY PAYS THEIR IMPACT FEES AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY A PROJECT. RESIDENTIAL USUALLY PAYS AS THE HOUSES OR CODE. SO IT DOESN'T COME IN JUST A BIG A BIG CHECK. USUALLY IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER TIME AS A AREA CLOSES OUT, THEN, YES, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE. IF YOU WERE EXPECTING 2 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES, YOU WOULD HAVE COLLECTED 2 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES. BUT IF YOU HAVE, SAY, 500 UNITS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE SELLING TEN A MONTH AND YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO RECEIVE TEN IMPACT FEES A MONTH AT IF THEY'RE DOING THE CEO'S. YES, SURE. NO, I'M JUST THINKING OF ALL THE STUFF WE APPROVED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. MOST OF THOSE HAVE NOT YET COMPLETED THEIR SITE PLANNING INTO THE BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH IS, AS OUR CITY MANAGER STATED, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING A LOT OF THAT IS ONCE YOU'RE INTO THE BUILDING, ONCE THEY PAY THEIR PERMIT FEES, IS WHEN WE'RE REALLY COLLECTING A LOT OF THE ANY OF THE IMPACT FEES. SO EVEN ON A SITE PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT WE TREAT MULTIFAMILY AS COMMERCIAL ONCE THEY GET THAT SITE PLAN APPROVED AND THEN THEY GO INTO THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING IT. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE JUST RELEASED THE FEES FOR ONE OF THE LANDING PROJECTS THIS WEEK, SO IT WAS APPROVED A LONG TIME AGO. THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED. THEY'RE GETTING THEIR BUILDING PERMITS APPROVED AND ONCE THEY GET THEIR BUILDING DEPARTMENT APPROVED, THAT'S HOW WE KNOW. WHAT ARE YOUR IMPACT FEES? WHAT WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY COLLECTED LIKE TAKE FIVE TACO COSTS TO PULTE. ALL THOSE GUYS, BASED ON AS MUCH BULKING AS PEOPLE DO AT THE EDC ON STAFF. I'M JUST THINKING THERE SHOULD BE ROAD IMPACT FEES. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S CALCULATED. IT'S AWFUL. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE WORK CLOSELY. MY TEAM WORKS CLOSELY WITH ENGINEERING BECAUSE THEY ASSESS THOSE FEES. MY TEAM THEN COLLECTS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO COLLECT. IT'S MUCH EASIER ON A RESIDENTIAL. WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE COLLECTING. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE IS, I THINK ABOUT 4000 A UNIT. BUT AGAIN, YOU SEE THE SLOWDOWN. SO AS THE CITY MANAGER STATED ON A HOUSE THAT'S JUST ADDED INTO THEIR BUILDING PERMIT FEE, SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING IT. FOR MOST OF THESE, WE'RE GETTING IT ONCE WE GO TO BUILDING PERMIT. BUT YES, TO YOUR POINT, TACO CASA. OTHERS BASED ON THAT FINAL PLOT DATE, SO MIGHTY FINE, HAD A NEWER PLOT. SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES HAD OLDER PLOTS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THAT LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEIR PLOT DATE WAS. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS REQUIRE FINAL PLOTS AND SITE PLANS AND SITE PLANS APPROVED AND BUILDING PERMITS, AND WE KIND OF MOVE THEM ALL TOGETHER SO YOU CAN CONTINUALLY TRACK WHERE YOU WERE ON YOUR IMPACT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS I CAN ADDRESS TODAY. GREAT JOB. WE'LL SEE YOU MONDAY. OH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. EDC. SORRY. YOUR NIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I BRING THIS UP ITEM 12 THREE CONSIDERATION. [12.3. Consideration and possible action on proposed Charter Amendments. (Legal)] POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO ACCEPT THAT FINANCIAL REPORT. MIKE NO. OKAY. MAYOR COUNCIL YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET THE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN RED LINE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. I CAN GO THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME IF YOU LIKE ME TO. WELL, MAYBE I'LL JUST START OFF BY SAYING I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING ANY CHARTER AMENDMENTS THIS YEAR. THE REASON IS BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER TO FOLLOW THE STANDARD PROCESS OF CALLING A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THEM. IF WE DO ANY AMENDMENTS HERE LEGALLY, WE CAN'T FORM A COMMISSION FOR TWO YEARS. AND AND LET ME MENTION, IT WILL BE IT HAS TO BE TWO FULL YEARS. SO TWO YEARS FROM THE MAY 6TH ELECTION, IT'S MAY 2ND. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TWO FULL YEARS. YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT ACTUALLY THREE YEAR. YEAH. OKAY. THEN I'M EVEN MORE IN FAVOR OF NOT DOING THIS ANYTHING AT ALL AND DELAYING IT. AND THESE ARE MOSTLY TECHNICAL CLARIFICATION AMENDMENTS. IT DOESN'T REALLY GET INTO SEE ANYTHING BIG. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE WERE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WAS THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE PAY. BUT WE'VE GOT AN AG OPINION, AG PENDING AG OPINION THAT HOPEFULLY SHOULD CLARIFY AND ANSWER THAT IN THE MEANTIME. SO YEAH, FOR ME, I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST TABLING THIS INDEFINITELY AND FORMING A COMMISSION NEXT YEAR. [03:15:06] I SECOND THE MOTION FOR THAT. YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO NEED TO RUSH ANYTHING HERE RIGHT NOW. AND IF WE JUST PLAN THAT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NEXT YEAR. FORMER COMMITTEE LATE THIS YEAR BASICALLY TO BE READY FOR NEXT YEAR. I THINK THAT SHOULD WORK. WE'VE GOT A GOOD HEAD START FORM. YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL FORM SOMETHING TO MAYBE AUGUST. I MEAN COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DECIDES WHAT GOES ON THE BALLOT, BUT I'D STILL LIKE A COMMITTEE TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, GET ALL THAT INPUT AND THEN DO IT. SOME OF THESE SEEMS, SOME OF THESE ARE SIMPLE. I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, I'D BE OKAY JUST DOING SOME OF THEM AS AMENDMENTS TO THE VOTERS IF WE COULD DO IT. BUT SINCE IT'S GOING TO DELAY BEING ABLE TO DO A COMMITTEE BY THREE YEARS AFTER THAT, LET'S JUST HOLD OFF AND DO A COMMITTEE. THAT'S MY OPINION. WELL, I'M TRYING TO IF I WANT TO DO AN AMENDMENT HERE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, BUT BASED ON THE LEGAL MEMOS ON RESIDENCY, I THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE TO SECTION 3.02. AND THEN I'M STILL KIND OF THE PAY THING. I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE VOTERS THINK ABOUT PAYING US. SO I DON'T REALLY WANT TO WAIT ON THINGS, BUT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS THING AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION ON THINGS. WE JUST DID ONE AND WE'VE FOUND SOME ISSUES. ONE OF THEM NOW WHAT WE FOUND TWO. NOW ONE IS PAY AND BY STATE LAW, OR DO WE GET PAID AND ONE OF THEM IS POTENTIALLY RESIDENCY. AND DO WE TIGHTEN IT UP OR TAKE THAT AWAY? IT'S LIKE ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A CHARTER REVIEW. I THINK SPENDING ALL THE TIME IN A WORK SESSION. WHY PUT OFF SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY KNOW? WE HAVE THINGS WE NEED TO WORK ON. BECAUSE I WANT TO FOLLOW THE WAY THE CHARTER SAYS WE SHOULD DO IT, AND THEN WE WILL BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE OF A FOUR YEAR IF WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE IF WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN TOO. SO THEN WE'RE ALSO IN VIOLATION OF CHARTER FOR HOW FREQUENTLY WE CALL THE CHARTER AMENDMENT COMMITTEE BY STATE LAW. SO THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE SHOULD WAIT AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. WE START TALKING ABOUT FOLLOWING CHARTER THE RIGHT WAY. THE CHARTER GIVES US A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. SO WE DO HAVE OPTIONS. EVERYBODY WAS ALL ABOUT DOING THIS UNTIL I BROUGHT UP. HEY, LET'S BRING TO THE VOTERS. SHOULD SHOULD WE GET PAID? AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT TURNED INTO I DON'T KNOW IF RIGHT NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THIS. AND SO EVERYBODY WAS GUNG HO. WE HAD A WORK SESSION, LET'S GET IT DONE. AND THEN I BLEW IT UP, I GUESS, BY SAYING MAYBE WE OUGHT TO ASK A VOTE OR SHOULD WE EVEN GET PAID? AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANT TO TABLE IT. WELL, SO YOU'RE SAYING EVERYBODY, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS. I'VE NOT WANTED TO DO A CHARTER CHANGE THIS YEAR. I'VE WANTED TO WAIT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SAID MAYBE NOT. MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS LITERAL ON THAT. NOT EVERYBODY. BUT SOMEHOW WE WENT DOWN A PATH HERE AND NOW, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW OUR DISCUSSION IS, LATER IN THE NIGHT, WE FOUND ANOTHER ISSUE IN THE CHARTER. AND I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND LITTLE THINGS THAT POP UP IN THE CHARTER THAT WERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THINGS THAT WE DO. BUT FOR ME, FOR THE VOTE, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO AN AMENDMENT JUST SO THERE'S A RECORD OF VOTE. BECAUSE I THINK, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH ALL THIS AND I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS WANT TO SOME PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE ON, BUT. I WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST DOING THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE WE'RE RUSHING IT, THE TIMELINE. IT'S REALLY WE'RE REALLY PUSHING IT BECAUSE I THINK BY NEXT MEETING OR SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE REALLY LOCKED DOWN AND VERY CLEAR. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT LANGUAGE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT. IT JUST KIND OF SEEMED RUSHED TO ME. BUT I AM ACTUALLY WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS. I'VE CHANGED MY POSITION SINCE OUR WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD. I THINK WHAT LEGAL HAS DONE FOR US HAS MADE IT SUPER CLEAR IT'S CLEAN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY COME UP WITH. I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD ALWAYS KILL IT THEN IF WE DON'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE, RIGHT, THAT THEY THAT THEY BRING TO US OR WE CAN CHANGE IT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP. IF WE IF WE DECIDE AS A COUNCIL NOT TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THESE THINGS ARE IT'S VERY CLEAN. IT'S IT'S IT'S NOT CONFUSING AND IT'S NOT A LAUNDRY LIST OF OF AMENDMENTS THAT ON THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION, CHARTER COMMISSION, IT WAS LIKE 16 INITIATIVES OR BALLOT AMENDMENTS. AND THAT'S JUST A LOT FOR THE VOTER TO TAKE ON, A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST, TO BE INFORMED WELL ON. [03:20:02] BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. JUST BECAUSE I WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST IT, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF TIME WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. BUT NOW I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S SIMPLE, IT'S CLEAN. I THINK IT MIGHT BE FIVE AMENDMENTS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE WORK SESSION, THEY ALSO SAID THAT THERE WAS OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AND DISCUSS, BUT THEY SHOULD COME FROM A CHARTER COMMITTEE. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT AND HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS FOR THAT. SO IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, THEN WE CAN START A CHARTER COMMITTEE IN LIKE AUGUST. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT SO IT'S THE CHARTER BUT WE AT ALL. BUT IF WE IF WE MOVE FORWARD NOW, WE HAVE TO WAIT THREE YEARS BEFORE WE CAN CALL ANOTHER ONE. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IT'S IN STATE LAW. IT SAYS TWO YEARS. IT'S TWO YEARS. WHAT'S THE TWO YEARS IS IN THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION FOR HOME RULE. AND BECAUSE THE CHANGE OF WHEN THE ELECTION WILL OCCUR, THE NEXT ELECTION WOULD THEN NOT BE FULL TWO YEARS, SO THAT YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR. SO IT'S THREE YEARS. IF WE DO IT TONIGHT, AFTER THIS MAY, BEFORE WE COULD CALL ANOTHER CHARTER. YEAH, YOU HAVE A NOVEMBER ELECTION, YOU KNOW, TO SHORTEN UP THAT SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BUT TYPICALLY CHARTER AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR COUNCIL. YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHY I WAS ALWAYS THE STATE LAW ON THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER READING IT AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE TEXAS CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION FOR HOME RULE CHARTERS. AND ACTUALLY IT SAYS FULL CALENDAR YEAR. IT REALLY SPECIFIES IT. YEAH, IT REALLY SHOULD SAY 23 MONTHS OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU JUST COULD DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS BECAUSE YOUR DATE CHANGES YEAR TO YEAR. YEAH. OR, OR MUNICIPAL IF TWO. RIGHT. OR MUNICIPAL ELECTION. YEAH, WHATEVER. THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY WROTE IT THOUGH. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. I'M JUST SAYING IT SHOULD BE. AND YOU WILL. YOUR CHARTER DOES SAY TO THAT YOU SHALL APPOINT THE COMMISSION IN THE FOUR YEARS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF RUN AFOUL OF THAT TOO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE DO THIS NOW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER BECAUSE IT SAYS WE HAVE TO CALL ONE EVERY FOUR YEARS, BUT WE'LL ALL HAVE IN FIVE YEARS WE WOULD HAVE TO MODIFY THAT CHARTER PROVISION MINIMUM, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO TRANSITION AT MINIMUM. BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY NO LATER THAN FOUR YEARS AND WE'D BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT IF WE DO THIS THING NOW BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CALL IT FOR THREE. AND WE DIDN'T DO THE LAST CHARTER COMMISSION TILL TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO WE'D BE FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF FOUR. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LEGALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO WAIT AND WE'LL DO IT IN AUGUST. YOU DO IT, MY THORNTON SAID, WHICH IS YOU ADJUST THE 4 TO 5. AND THEN IF IT FAILS IN THE VOTE AND THE VOTERS SAY, NO, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FIVE YEARS, I WANT TO DO FOUR OR LESS, THEN YOU'RE COUNCIL MEMBER CAR. IT DOESN'T CAUSE NOTHING. IT'S A LITTLE EFFORT TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP. UM. TO ME, IT COSTS A LOT BECAUSE WE'RE CUTTING OUT THE CITIZENS, WE'RE CUTTING OUT THE PROCESS THAT WE SET FORTH IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO INVOLVE THE CITIZENS, WE'RE GOING TO FORM A COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS OUR CONSTITUTION. THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE. IT SHOULD BE A DELIBERATIVE, THOUGHTFUL PROCESS. AGAIN, I FEEL THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT RUSHED. WE DO HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN HERE. BUT TO COUNCILMAN CLARK'S POINT, AT THE END OF THE MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER IN HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE AND LOOK AT AND CONSIDER, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE. WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS LIMITED LIST HERE. SO, YEAH, FOR FOR ME, I'M STILL. I'M STILL. WHAT'S THE RUSH? WHAT IS WHAT IS THE RUSH TO DO ALL THESE? IF WE CAN WAIT A FEW MONTHS FORM A COMMISSION, LET THEM RECOMMEND TO US GIVE THIS TO THEM AS A STARTING POINT TO JUMP OFF POINT AND LET'S. LET'S DO IT RIGHT. IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. SO WHO SAID TABLE ME? SO MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SAID TABLE IT. AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY I SECONDED IT. BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. AND I'M GOING TO OFFER UP AN AMENDMENT TO ADD IN A COMPENSATION CLAUSE AND A 3.0 FOR THAT, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION, EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT OF ALL NECESSARY AND REASONABLE EXPENSES INCURRED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL CITY COUNCIL DUTIES. AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHILE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES, MAY BE PROVIDED CERTAIN BENEFITS. NOW, SCRATCH THAT PART. THE BENEFITS. SO I CAN GIVE THIS TO YOU. BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. I DON'T THINK THAT TYPE OF AN AMENDMENT CAN EVEN BE MADE BECAUSE THIS IS A MOTION TO TABLE. I'M GOING TO MEAN TO NOT TABLE IT. AND TO ADD THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. FOR ROBERT'S RULES. YOU CAN'T. YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE TABLE FIRST. YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE TABLE FIRST. AND THEN IF. THEN I'LL GIVE THE OTHER THING I WANT TO DO SO THAT AT LEAST I CAN VOICE IT. SO WE HAVE THE ISSUE WITH POTENTIAL RESIDENCY, AND I READ UP ON THIS AND CLEARLY A PERSON. [03:25:06] A PERSON NAMED FRANK CORTEZ JR WAS ACCUSED OF NOT LIVING IN HIS DISTRICT IN 2008. HIS HOUSE WAS, IN FACT, ANOTHER DISTRICT. AS A REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT AND THE DEMOCRATS SQUAWKED. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S SIN IS TO REPLACE HIM. BUT HE OWNED A LOT IN THE DISTRICT HE REPRESENTED AND SAID HE INTENDED TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE AND LIVE IN IT. AND HE ACTUALLY GOT MAIL DELIVERED THERE. AND UNDER STATE LAW, THAT WAS ENOUGH. AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY LIVE UNLESS YOU HAVE IT SPELLED OUT IN A CHARTER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY. YOU JUST HAVE TO OWN A LOT AND HAVE MAIL DELIVERED THERE. AND YOU MEET THE THING WHICH MADE ME THINK THAT. POTENTIALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE BEEFED UP SO WELL THAT THE RESIDENCY IN OUR CHARTER, THERE'S NO DEFINITION FOR WHAT IT IS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, CHARTERS, THEY'LL SAY THINGS LIKE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE HAS IT KNOW THEY'LL THEY'LL BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES RESIDENCY. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A FINDING THAT RIGHT. SO BUT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANT TO STUDY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THAT'S YOU DO THAT FROM A CHARTER COMMISSION, THOUGH. YEAH, WELL, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A CHARTER COMMISSION FOR THAT. WE NEED LEGAL REVIEW FOR THAT FOR SURE. BUT REGARDLESS, WE DON'T. WE'RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GERMANE TO THE MOTION. THE MOTION? WELL, THIS IS TRUE. WELL, OKAY, SO I WOULD. SO RELATED TO THE MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT TABLE IT YET. I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW ALL THE DISCUSSION OF EVERYTHING. AND THEN AT THE END, WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE AT LEAST WE CAN MOVE THE BALL FORWARD ON IDENTIFYING POSSIBLE CHANGES, POTENTIALLY ASKING FOR ACTION FROM LEGAL TO DEVELOP THEM, WHETHER IT'S FOR FEBRUARY OR FOR FUTURE CHARTER COMMISSION. WE CAN DECIDE THAT. WELL, THEY'RE RIGHT. SO IT'S SLIGHTLY LATER TONIGHT. SO YOU HAVE TO THEY HAD TO RESCIND IT. WE GOT TO TAKE A VOTE. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. DAN, JUST ALLOW. JUST TO JUST RESCIND THE MOTION TO TABLE FOR NOW. ALLOW THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN WHAT? A POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT. OTHER POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS. BECAUSE THAT'S THE TOPIC IS CHARTER AMENDMENTS. YEAH. AND THEN WE CAN AT LEAST GET THOSE OUT THERE, AND THEN THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT OR WHETHER WE WANT TO TABLE IT AND COME BACK AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GO. BUT I WOULD ARGUE, DAN, THAT WHENEVER YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO I'M SORRY, ROBIN, I'M SORRY. SORRY, GO AHEAD. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CHARTER AND COMING UP WITH IDEAS THAT WE WANT TO BE PART OF IT. AT LEAST I DIDN'T. SO I THINK I MEAN, WE CAN PUT IT ON ANOTHER ITEM ON A SEPARATE AGENDA OR HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE CAN HASH OUT WHAT WE THINK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHARTER COMMISSION ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE AS THEY COME TOGETHER AND WORK ON IT IS WHAT I'M THINKING. WE ALREADY DID THAT. SO YOU HAD A WORK SESSION. WE ALREADY HASHED OUT CHANGE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH WE TALKED ABOUT THIS STUFF. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE STUFF YOU'RE PRESENTING NOW. THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE US MAKE CHANGES ON. I DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE CHANGES. I'M BRINGING UP DISCUSSION POINTS, BUT WE'RE GETTING. WE'RE GETTING BACK. IT WAS. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I HAVE ONE. I HAVE ONE THING THAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. IS IT WITH THE TABLING? YEAH. YES, IT DOES. SO HERE, HERE'S MY POINT. IF IF WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT, IF THE MOTION PASSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT TO, WE HAVE A CHARTER COMMISSION. THIS BODY HERE TODAY DOES NOT NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT IN THE CHARTER, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE THREE SEATS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UP FOR ELECTION. IT MAY BE THE SAME PEOPLE, IT MAY BE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. BUT THOSE COUNCIL WHOEVER SEATED AFTER THE MAY ELECTION, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO CALL A CHARTER COMMISSION IF WE'RE DELAYING IT NOW. NOBODY UP HERE UNTIL THE ELECTION. AND YOU HAVE THAT COUNCIL SEATED AFTER THE MAY ELECTION. THAT IS THE BODY THAT WILL DECIDE AND SET WHAT SHOULD GO INTO THAT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND DISCUSS. AND YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THEN WITH WHOEVER'S UP HERE AT THAT TIME, IF THIS BODY IS GOING TO TABLE. SO I DISAGREE WITH SAYING DISCUSS IT NOW, BECAUSE IF YOU DISCUSS IT NOW AND THEN YOU STILL TABLE IT, WHO CARES? WHAT IF THREE I MEAN, IT'S POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE THREE OF THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT HERE IN JUNE. SO I PARTIALLY IF IF THEY DON'T GET REELECTED, I DON'T REALLY WHO REALLY CARES WHAT THEIR OPINION WAS. SO WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANY MORE ACTION. YEAH. THESE SEATS ARE WHERE EVERYBODY SITTING IN THE SEATS TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. AND THE DECISION RIGHT NOW IS TO TABLE THOUGH PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE OF HOW COUNCIL MEMBERS POTENTIALLY IF THEY'RE HERE OR NOT. YEAH, NO, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TONIGHT TO TABLE, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE CURRENT COUNCIL MAKEUP WOULD WANT TO BE ON THERE BECAUSE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE WHEN IT'S GOING TO GET PICKED UP. IF WE SAY IF IF THE TABLE IN MOTION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A CHARTER COMMISSION AND SAY, AUGUST OR SOMETHING, THEN THIS BODY WILL NOT EXIST IN THE FORM THAT IT IS TODAY [03:30:05] POTENTIALLY. WELL, CRYSTAL WILL BE MOVED, SO FOR SURE IT WON'T EXIST. THE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING IN THESE SEATS WILL THEN MAKE THAT DECISION. RIGHT. AND THEY MAY THE PEOPLE IN THE SEATS MAY DECIDE NOT TO DO A CHARTER COMMISSION MAY DECIDE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND IN THE NEXT IN THE FOLLOWING ELECTION. SO THEY'D HAVE TO NOTE THIS CYCLE, NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CALL ONE WITHIN FOUR YEARS. SO IT EITHER HAS TO GET CALLED NEXT AFTER THIS ELECTION OR AFTER THE ONE IN 25. OKAY. SO LET ME LET ME CLARIFY THE INTENTION OF MY MOTION. THE INTENTION OF MY MOTION WAS TO. TO NOT TO HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO HOLD. TO MAKE ANY CHARTER AMENDMENTS WITH THIS COMING MAY ELECTION. I'M AGAINST THAT FOR THE REASONS THAT I'VE STATED. I'M AGAINST MAKING ANY CHANGES NOW BECAUSE THAT WOULD DELAY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE HASHED OUT. AND SO MY INTENTION ISN'T TO STOP A DISCUSSION ON WHAT CHARTER AMENDMENTS COULD BE DONE. AND SO MAYBE I COULD REWORD MY MOTION TO SAY I, I MAKE A MOTION TO. FORMER. COMMIT TO FORM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION NO LATER THAN X DATE FOR THE INTENTION OF MAKING CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN THE MAY 2024 ELECTION. I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT BETTER? BECAUSE BECAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IT AS A COUNCIL AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, ON OUR OWN OR IF WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO DO IT. BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, THAT'S THEIR ROLE. THEIR ROLE IS TO FIGURE IT OUT AND THEN TO BRING IT TO US. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT WE NEED TO DO THEN AND TAKE OUT THE ABILITY TO DO CHARTER AMENDMENTS. RIGHT. SO. BUT THAT'S YOUR OPINION. THAT'S THAT'S 11A7. RIGHT. BUT SO WHAT'S WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR MOTION TO BE. WE TABLING IT OR. WELL OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO RESCIND IT. HAVE THE DISCUSSION THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION. I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS ANY POSSIBLE CHANGES BECAUSE TO ME, WHAT'S THE POINT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES FOR THIS COMING MAY, THEN WHY HASH THROUGH AND WHY SPEND THE NEXT HOUR GOING THROUGH? WHAT CHANGES TO MAKE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES? RIGHT. SO SO LET'S JUST CALL THE VOTE. I'LL JUST I'LL JUST LEAVE IT. IT'S JUST TO THE TABLE AND DEFINITELY CHARTER AMENDMENTS. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT SAYS AND THAT WE WILL FORM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BY SEPTEMBER ONE OF 2023. I MEAN, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, MY MY, MY HOPE IS THAT WE WILL FORM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND MAKE CHANGES NEXT YEAR. SO I WAS DOING IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE HE'S IN SEPTEMBER. WILL FORM THE FORM THE COMMISSION THIS YEAR. THE 2023 BE FORMED IN 2023 IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THEIR WORK DONE IN PREPARATION FOR 2024. SO THE MOTION IS AMENDED, FRIENDLY OR WHATEVER IS TO TABLE INDEFINITELY AND TO FORM A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION BY SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023. YES, HE. THE TABLE INDEFINITELY MEANS IT JUST GOES AND IT NEVER GETS TO COME BACK. YEAH. FOR ROBERT'S RULES. CORRECT. WELL, TABLE IT TILL AFTER THE ELECTION. SAY, LIKE JUNE 1ST. RIGHT. HOW ABOUT YOUR TABLET? TILL SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2023. THERE WE GO. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I MEAN, BECAUSE INDEFINITELY, TO ME, MEANS IT'S INDEFINITE. IT'S NOT DEFINITE. YOU CAN BRING IT BACK. YES, DEFINITELY. MEAN FOREVER. I CAN. I CAN TABLE THE DATE CERTAIN IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT, THAT'S THE BETTER OR REALLY THE BETTER WORD IS POSTPONE AND NOT TABLE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU USE TABLE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE. SO I RESCIND MY ORIGINAL MOTION AND I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM UNTIL AT LEAST AUGUST 1ST. AUGUST 1ST. I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S BECAUSE ANY RUNOFF ELECTIONS WILL BE DONE BY THEN, 23 AUGUST 1ST. WAS THERE A SECOND? I THINK I'LL SECOND. SO WE'RE POSTPONING AUGUST 1ST, 2023, AND WE'RE TAKING OUT THE FORMER CHARTER. WE'RE JUST POSTPONING. RIGHT. YEAH, BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO. FORM A COMMISSION AT THAT TIME. IF NOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT CHARTER AMENDMENTS, ARE WE STILL BLOCKED BECAUSE NOW WE'RE NOT? [03:35:02] I THINK YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION TO POSTPONE BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE UP ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ON THE POSTPONING HEARING? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON NAY. MAYOR SNYDER? NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, AYE.. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. NAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MOTION PASSES 4 3. [12.4. Discussion of wording on a rededication plaque for Hutto City Hall (Councilmember Sutton)] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12 FOR DISCUSSION OF WORDING ON A REDEDICATION PLAQUE FOR THE HUTTO CITY HALL. SO I HAD MENTIONED THIS AND BROUGHT THIS UP DURING A COUNCIL MEETING. AS AN ITEM I WANTED TO REVISIT BECAUSE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD REGARDING THE DEDICATION PLAQUE, WE DID DISCUSS AS A BODY THAT WE WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD DO TO REPLACE IT. MY THOUGHTS AND YOU KNOW, I SAID IT DURING THE MEETING AND I THINK THE CONFUSION THAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT IS WHY I REQUESTED IF WE MAKE A VERBAL AGENDA ITEM REQUEST THAT WE FOLLOWED UP WITH AN EMAIL AND IT KIND OF ELABORATE ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON IT. MY INTENTIONS AS I SPOKE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WERE THAT WE REDEDICATE THE BUILDING TO ALL THE CITIZENS WHO SERVE PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE, INCLUDING OUR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND MAYBE BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK. IN A CONVERSATION WITH CITY MANAGER OR HE SAID, IT'S BEEN DONE, THE WORK IS DONE, IT'S GOING TO FABRICATION. AND I'M LIKE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. WHAT'S GOING ON? THE PLAQUE. SO AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ON MY PART TO HIM ON WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND HE WENT WITH THE STANDARD OF WHAT A DEDICATION PLAQUE LOOKS LIKE ON CITY HALL. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THIS ISN'T A HILL I'M GOING TO DIE ON BY ANY MEANS. IF I THINK IT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW, START A HEALING PROCESS POTENTIALLY. YOU KNOW, WE ALL SERVE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES AT THE TIMES THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. SOME LIKE US. SOME DON'T LIKE US. SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO BACK FROM THE BEGINNING OF HUTTO, I'M SURE. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T LIKE THAT PERSON OR THAT PERSON. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY SERVE TO THE BEST OF THEIR CAPABILITY, NOT CONDONING ANY PAST BEHAVIOR EITHER, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE MISCONSTRUED, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT THAT I'M CONDONING AND JUST SAYING THE PAST HAPPENED AND IT'S OK. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO UNITE AND CELEBRATE EVERYONE WHO HAS SACRIFICED THEIR TIME AND ENERGY INTO BUILDING HUTTO TO WHAT IT IS TODAY AND THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO COME AFTER US AND CONTINUE MOVING IT FORWARD. SO THAT WAS REALLY MY VISION FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ALL HAVE PUT ANY THOUGHT INTO IT OR IF IT REALLY MATTERS THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW WHAT IS VERY COMMON ON CITY HALLS, A DEDICATION PLAQUE. SO JUST MY THOUGHT AND WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. SO MY STANCE WHEN THE PLAQUE WAS TAKEN DOWN WAS THAT I DIDN'T THINK ANY CITY TAX DOLLARS SHOULD BE SPENT ON IT. AND AT THE TIME, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME EFFORT TO RAISE MONEY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT FAILED. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WENT WRONG THERE. BUT BASICALLY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR IT OUTSIDE OF CITY TAX DOLLARS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TO PUT ON THE PLAQUE. BUT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE CITY SPENDING TAX MONEY TO GO GET A NEW PLAQUE. I WASN'T UP HERE WHEN THAT ORIGINALLY WAS REMOVED OR VOTED. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PUT A PLAQUE UP HERE. I THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOW THE CITIZENS BUILDING. YOU KNOW, AND IF WE WANTED AT SOME POINT TO HAVE A PLAQUE OR SOMETHING, MAYBE YOU'D PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE HIPPO WELCOMING ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC INTO THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING. BUT I WOULDN'T I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT TODAY. SO ON AUGUST 5TH, WE MADE A MOTION. I MADE A MOTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO DESTROY THE PLAQUE, REPLACE IT WITH AN ALUMINUM PLAQUE UPON A DONATION OF $2,121. COUNCIL MEMBER. KINSEY. SECOND, THE MOTION IT PASSED 621. AT THE TIME, COUNCILMEMBER GORDON VOTED AGAINST IT. THE WORDING WAS ON. THE PLAQUE WAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO CHOOSE FROM THE TOP FIVE SUGGESTIONS. AND THEN WE BROUGHT IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I THINK WE DIDN'T LIKE THE ALUMINUM ALUMINUM. [03:40:06] SO THEN WE MADE ANOTHER MOTION. I MADE IT BECAUSE I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE WAS REGULARLY BRINGING IT UP. I JUST WANT IT DONE. BUT I MADE A MOTION THAT A CITY MANAGER. REMOVE THE PLAQUE, DESTROY IT. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON SECOND EMOTION. THE MOTION PASSED 5 TO 2 WITH COUNCILMEMBERS GORDON KINSEY AGAINST AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE MADE A MOTION THAT IF AND WHEN THE FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE, EITHER THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS OR THROUGH DONATIONS, THE REPLACEMENT PLAQUE BE BRONZE QUALITY OR BETTER. AND THEN ON THAT ONE COMES MARY VILLARREAL SALVO. SECOND, THE MOTION, AND IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER THIS THING. FOR ME. I'M KIND OF WITH COUNCILMAN OR THORNTON. I DON'T SEE ANY USE OF TAX DOLLARS. I'M NOT ON THE HILL HUTTO TRAIN THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING THE PEOPLE THAT SAY WE NEED TO HEAL BECAUSE I THINK THE BEST WAY TO HEAL IS TO FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, GET OUR SIDEWALKS, GET OUR ROADS GOING. AND WHEN PEOPLE START NOT WAITING IN TRAFFIC FOR 45 MINUTES TO GET TO AN INTERSECTION, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE PLEASANTLY PEOPLE. AND THE MORE PLEASANT YOU ARE, THE LESS LIKELY YOU ARE TO NEED THINGS. AND SO IF WE WANT TO SPEND $5,000, I'D RATHER SEE SIDEWALKS GO LONG. NADINE JOHNSON ALONG. CARL STERN EVERYBODY HAS TO. KIDS HAVE TO WALK ACROSS CARL STERN AND THEN COME BACK OVER. IT'S A WEIRD ROUTE. I'D RATHER SEE MONEY LIKE THAT. I'D RATHER SEE SOMETHING DONE IN A PARK. THAT, TO ME, SHOWS SOMETHING TO THE CITY. BUT I AM WITH YOU THAT IF WE CAN RAISE THE MONEY, I DON'T MIND HOW PEOPLE. WHY NOT PUT A GO? FUND ME OUT THERE. AND IF THE MONEY COMES IN, THEN LET'S COME UP WITH SOME PHRASES AND PUT IT ON THERE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY? IT WAS LIKE UP TO $700 AT ONE POINT. IT WAS FROM MY LAST MEMORY WAS IT WAS LIKE $700 THAT PEOPLE HAD DONATED. SO WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? DISAPPEARED THE DAY AFTER THE VOTE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL VOTE WAS THE NEW THE OLD PLAQUE WOULDN'T COME DOWN UNTIL THE MONEY HAD BEEN COLLECTED FOR THE NEW PLACE. RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN IT GOT CHANGED TO IT HAS TO BE. WHAT WAS THE UNANIMOUS VOTE? BRONZE OR BRONZE OR BETTER OR WHATEVER, AND THE PLAQUE WAS ALREADY GONE AT THAT POINT. THEN THE THE MOTIVATION FOR COLLECTING THE MONEY WENT AWAY. AND I THINK THAT MAYBE. WHICH TELLS ME THAT THE CITIZENS DON'T REALLY CARE THAT THERE'S A PLAQUE ON THERE. AND TO ME, I DON'T CARE THAT THERE'S NOT A PLAQUE THERE. I WONDER IF ANYBODY FEELS SLIGHTED AS FAR AS LIKE I DONATED TO THIS, I DON'T KNOW. I'M GUESSING. AND THEN YOU CAN'T GET YOUR DONATION BACK IF THEY DON'T. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST WONDER. IT WAS A NON CITIZEN THAT STARTED THE THE THING. HOPEFULLY THEY RETURN THE MONEY BUT YEAH I'M. I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A PLAQUE, AND I DEFINITELY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR USING CITIZEN MONEY TO DO IT. SO. IT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION. REALLY THERE'S NO ACTION. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, ALL WE CAN DO IS DISCUSS. YEAH, I HAVE SOMETHING. YEAH. SO I THOUGHT WE WERE KIND OF JUST GOING DOWN THE LINE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THIS IS. HONESTLY, I THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE. I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR ALMOST EVERY. SO DO YOU GO TO THERE'S SOME SORT OF DEDICATION OR PLAQUE. AND I UNDERSTAND OURS IS EMPTY. AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT POINT AS A COUNCIL. AND UNTIL WE'RE ALL ON THE HEALING TRAIN, MAYBE THAT'S WHEN IT WILL GET REPLACED. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I FEEL LIKE. IT STILL IS A MARK ON THE BUILDING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE OR WASN'T THERE. AND AT SOME POINT, I HOPE IT DOES GET REPLACED. MAYBE IT'S NOT RIGHT THIS MOMENT. BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD NOD AND A VERY GOOD GESTURE AS FAR AS THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE. I REALLY LIKE THAT. AND I LIKE THE IDEA AND THE INTENT BEHIND IT. AND MOST THINGS IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS DO HAVE SOME SORT OF DEDICATION. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF THE LEFT SIDE THAT JUST WANTS TO GLORIFY THIS BUILDING. IT'S IT'S A PRETTY NORMAL ACCEPTED PRACTICE. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT HOPEFULLY, HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO FOR ME, I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT ON THE PLAQUE, LIKE COMING HERE, LIKE THIS AGENDA ITEM COMING HERE AND BEING ON THE AGENDA. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE HARD FOR US TO TRY TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING. SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE LIKE A GREAT WORKSHOP TO KIND OF DISCUSS PRIOR TO BEING ON THE AGENDA. BUT ALSO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR KIND OF GIVING ME THE HISTORY OF THAT, BECAUSE AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, AS SOMEONE. WHO? WHO WAS IT INVOLVED IN, I GUESS, THE TUMULTUOUS DAYS OF HUDDLE PRIOR TO [03:45:01] BECOMING INVOLVED? AS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS IN HUTTO AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PAST. IT IS OUR PAST. WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M WHENEVER I RAN FOR OFFICE, I WAS JUST LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. I'M ALL ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTING, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO WATER, WASTEWATER, TRANSPORTATION, OF COURSE, OUR ROADS, EVERYTHING'S OUT THERE FOR THE EYES TO SEE. THAT WAS WHAT DROVE ME TO THIS POSITION, NOT. FORMER ACTIONS. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THOSE THINGS. LIKE HERE I AM IN THIS POSITION HAVING TO DEAL WITH PAST THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE EXECUTIVE. SO I FEEL LIKE GROWING. IT'S IT'S JUST IT'S NOT NOT RELEVANT. YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, UNLESS THEY REALLY WANT TO DIG INTO THE BACKSTORY OF IT AND WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT, IT'S GREAT. PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT I'M JUST ALL FOR MOVING FORWARD. AND I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, DEDICATING IT NOT TO NECESSARILY TO INDIVIDUALS. AND I'M ON BOARD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY OF JUST MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, NOT RIGHT NOW, WORKSHOPPING IT AND REALLY PINPOINTING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO WITH WITHOUT ALL THE THE BACK HISTORY, ALTHOUGH KNOWING THE ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL BACK IN 2021 IS GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WERE LIKE THREE OR FOUR VOTES. YEAH, IT WAS INTENSE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACTION ON IT. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. ITEM 12 FIVE DISCUSSION OF CITY SPONSORSHIP AT CHAMBER GALA. [12.5. Discussion of City Sponsorship at Chamber Gala (Councilmember Kinsey)] SO I'M GUESSING KIND OF BY WHAT YOU JUST SAID THIS ITEM TO, THEN WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT. BECAUSE THAT WAS DEFINITELY NOT THE DIRECTIVE. THAT WAS ALWAYS IN MY MIND. I WANTED IT ON HERE SO WE COULD ESSENTIALLY APPROVE IF WE WERE GOING TO BE DOING THE CITY SPONSORSHIP OR NOT. IS APPROVAL NEEDED OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN POTENTIAL BUDGETING AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION? YEAH, IT'S THE WAY THAT I COULD INTERPRET. WELL, 12.4 SAYS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. SO SO THAT WORD IS IN THERE. BUT 12 FIVE SAYS DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. HOLD ON. 12 FOUR SAYS DISCUSSION OF WORDING ON A REDEDICATION PLAQUE. LET'S LOOK AT THE SCREEN. OUR PRINTED VERSION IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SAYS AND WHAT'S UP. OH, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. LET'S SEE WHAT IT SAYS. WELL, I'LL BE. I ALWAYS PRINT WHATEVER THE PUBLIC GETS JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ON LINE, TOO. OKAY. BUT THE SPONSORSHIP FOR THIS IS WELL WITHIN MY DISCRETIONARY LIMIT. SO IF IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME, THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS TO IS TO GET A TABLE, THEN I CAN DO THAT WITHOUT Y'ALL SPECIFICALLY DIRECTING ME TO DO IT. I JUST WANT TO RUN US ALL THROUGH THE WHOLE CONVERSATION JUST TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. WHY NOT? IT'D BE FUN. SO. SO, JOY 3 A.M. MIKE I WOULD SAY MY EVOLUTION ON THIS TOPIC IS I'M OK. IF THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO GET A TABLE FOR THE CITY, I'M NOT OKAY WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS GOING ON THE TAXPAYER DIME. I THINK IF THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO GET SOME SEATS OR A TABLE AND BRING SOME OF THE SENIOR STAFF AND AND DO THAT, THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THEY WANT TO GO, THEY CAN BUY A TICKET BECAUSE HONESTLY, IT'S AS MUCH A POLITICAL AND CAMPAIGN EVENT IN A LOT OF CASES AS ANYTHING ELSE. AND THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE CAN'T ATTEND. THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE CAN'T PAY FOR IT OURSELVES IF WE WANT TO DO THAT. EDC FOR JUST HEADS UP. THE EDC HAS SPONSORED AN ENTIRE TABLE, SO I THINK IF A COUNCILMEMBER WANTS TO GO, YOU CAN TALK TO EDC. I THINK THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF MONEY BECAUSE EDC IS THERE TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES AND THINGS THE CITY. EVERY DECISION I MAKE, I ALWAYS THINK, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE TAXPAYER? AND TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS POINT. GOING TO THESE IT'S TYPICALLY. IT'S A VERY POLITICAL THING. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT BENEFITS THE TAXPAYER. AND SO THE CHAMBER WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE CHAMBER. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CHAMBER. THE GALA IS THEIR FUND RAISER. WE DON'T DO THIS FOR OTHER NONPROFITS IN THE CITY WHO DO VERY VALUABLE THINGS. THE CITY MANAGER WILL OR THE IMAGE. [03:50:02] I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES IT. THE OFFICE. SOMEONE LIKE BOUGHT SOMETHING AT THE YMCA TABLE AND INVITED SOME PEOPLE. THAT'S NOT A POLITICAL EVENT. THIS ONE DOES. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THESE BEFORE. THESE ARE MORE AS LIKE ANY OTHER CHAMBER THING. THAT'S. AS FOR THE POLITICS, GO RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION SEASON IN THIS CASE. SO I'M KIND OF WITH COUNCILMAN THORNTON. I HAVE NO ISSUE. I KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE TRIED TO LIMIT PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GO, WHICH I THINK IS A VIOLATION OF THEIR FREEDOMS. BUT WE GET PAID MONEY, WHICH I HAVEN'T BEEN A FAN OF. AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD USE THAT MONEY FOR. TO GO AND DRESS UP NICE, HAVE A GOOD MEAL WITH YOUR OWN MONEY. THAT WAY WE CAN SPEND THE CITY'S MONEY MAYBE HELPING OUT SOMEONE THAT'S IN NEED OF FOOD OR UTILITIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY EVOLVED. I THINK I'VE KIND OF BEEN PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. I'M. I'M RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN THORNTON SAID. I, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME BENEFIT OF HAVING THE CITY SUPPORT THE CHAMBER BY SPONSORING A TABLE. AND IF WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO GO, THEN WE CAN. TALK TO THE EDC OR JUST BY OUR OWN BY OUR OWN SEATS AND JUST GO. I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I ALSO AGREE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR SERVING ON A COUNCIL. THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT. REALLY WE SHOULD BE USING THAT CONVERSATION FOR IF WE WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO. I MEAN, ALL OF THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN. THANKS FOR THOSE GUYS WEIGHED IN. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO. BUT I MEAN, I WOULD BE VERY AMENABLE AS LONG AS THE CITY IN SOME WAY OR FORM HAS A PRESENCE, THEN I WOULD BE VERY MUCH FOR THAT. NOT NECESSARILY. THIS IS A TABLE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS ONLY OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. I REALLY IF AS LONG AS LONG AS THE CITY HAS A TABLE, THEN I AM FINE WITH THAT AVENUE AS WELL. I JUST THINK THAT. HAVING THAT PRESENCE. AND AS FAR AS POLITICKING, I DON'T RECALL THAT I PAID FOR MY OWN TICKET LAST YEAR. I'M SURE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN LOCAL POLITICS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND IT WAS A GREAT FUNDRAISER AND A LOT OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA DONATE BASKETS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF SUPPORTING THEM AND KIND OF IT JUST IS A GREAT OVERALL. COMING TOGETHERNESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT AVENUE TO TO STRENGTHEN THOSE BONDS. SOMETIMES WHEN WE SIT BEHIND THE DAIS AND THEY SIT IN THE CHAMBER, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. BUT WHENEVER YOU MEET PEOPLE AT COMMON GROUND, COMMON EVENTS, YOU BREAK BREAD. IT'S JUST YOU KIND OF START TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PERSON AND YOU GET TO MEET A LOT OF THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. AND I JUST THINK OVERALL, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT EVENT TO. EXPOSE PEOPLE TO. AND IF WE WANT TO DO IT, I'D RATHER DO IT FOR THE CITY. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE, IF THAT'S HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE IN SOME WAY OR FORM THE CITY OF HOW TO PRESENT AT THE CITY OF HATTERAS CHAMBER. PREVENT. CALLER YEAH, I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID. OBVIOUSLY, COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON KIND OF LED THE WAY. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE CITY SHALL SPONSOR A TABLE AT THE AT THE CHAMBER, THE GALA, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SUPPORTING COMMUNITY. SO AND OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THEY WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PAY AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE A GREAT EVENT. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS ARE DIRECTING THE CITY TO GET A TABLE. I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THAT. I'M ON BOARD WITH NO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM. IF THEY IF THE CITY WANTS TO BE PRESENT THERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD. IF THE CITY MATCH FOR ME, IF THE CITY MANAGER DECIDES A NO TICKETS, THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S THAT'S HIS DECISION. IF HE DECIDES FOR TICKETS, IF HE JUST HAS A TABLE, WHATEVER IT IS, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YES. MY INTEREST IS, IS WHAT BUDGETS ARE COMING OUT OF BECAUSE. THESE ARE ONE OF THOSE THINGS. WHETHER WE DO IT THIS YEAR, WHAT I WANT TO SEE IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, I HATE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS ON THESE ITEMS THREE MONTHS INTO A FISCAL YEAR. TO ME, PROPER BUDGETING, EVEN IF IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN A CITY, IS WE'VE ALLOCATED X TO THIS AND Y TO THIS AND Z TO THIS. AND SO IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, WHERE THEN WE'RE NOT SPENDING 30 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BECAUSE IF YOU GO INTO IT AND THEN YOU COME BACK IN MARCH AND WHEN A BUDGET AMENDMENT, THEN IT'S KIND OF COOL, YOU KNOW. NOT WE DIDN'T PLAN GOOD ON THE MONEY. AND SO MAYBE YOU JUST GOT TO DO WITHOUT THE REST OF THE YEAR. [03:55:02] IF IT'S, HEY, THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY THERE. THEN I'M KIND OF WONDERING, WELL, WHY DID WE BUDGET MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS. NOT EARMARKED ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS WHERE I GET INTO THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND HAVING MILLIONS. SO. HOWEVER WE DO IT FOR ME, I GOT AT LEAST TWO MORE YEARS HERE. I JUST LIKE TO SEE BUDGETS LIKE I'M ACCUSTOMED TO AND MY DAY JOB, WE DON'T SPEND TEN BUCKS WITHOUT IT BEING BUDGETED SOMEWHERE AND SO WE ALWAYS SEEM TO FIND MONEY. SO WHATEVER YOU DO. WE DON'T NEED A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR IT. I GUESS IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE THE COUNCILMEMBER SAID. I THINK WE WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE BUDGET CYCLE AND I THINK THE COMMENT WAS MADE OF, WELL, WE'LL SEE IF THAT EVEN COMES UP LIKE IT WAS KIND OF DISMISSED AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MOTION FOR THAT WHENEVER IT'S TIME FOR THE CHAMBER, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT CONVERSATION DID HAPPEN. BUT IT WAS KIND OF PUNTED, IS MY RECOLLECTION. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? AMANDA, DO YOU FEEL PRETTY? NO. ALL RIGHT, ITEM 12 SIX, DISCUSSION OF STATUS OF PASTORS COUNCIL ACTIONS. [12.6. Discussion of Status of Past Year's Council Actions (Mayor Snyder and Mayor Pro Tem Gordon)] I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S RECEIVED A COPY. SO IT BROUGHT THIS ON. I DON'T REMEMBER THE POST I MADE, BUT I MADE A POST AND MAYOR PRO TEM CALLED ME AND I SAID I WAS IRRITATED THAT I FEEL LIKE PARAPHRASING YOU TELL ME WHEN I GO OFF TRACK. BUT I WAS BASICALLY TOLD HIM THAT I FEEL LIKE WE AS A COUNCIL ARE NOT GIVING THE PROPER DIRECTION TO STAFF THAT WE TEND TO GO, WILL YOU GUYS WE'LL APPROVE THIS ON THIS CONTINGENCY. AND ONE OF THEM THAT GOT ME GOING WAS WITH A CONSULTANT CONTRACT APPROVED. SO LONG AS WE GET QUARTERLY REPORTS, WE HAVEN'T GOT A QUARTERLY REPORT SINCE WE APPROVED A CONTRACT AND THAT WAS 1,000,002 AGO. SO THEN AS I STARTED LOOKING BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIND, I WAS LIKE, MAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE I REMEMBER TELLING THE CITY MANAGER, I CANNOT BELIEVE I WOULD HAVE VOTED TO APPROVE A CONTRACT OPEN ENDED AND DANG IT IF I DIDN'T BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET QUARTERLY REPORTS. AND SO I WENT THROUGH AND THE MAYOR PRO TEM WENT THROUGH. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS AND I'M NOT SAYING I CALLED THEM ALL, BUT JUST SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD LIKE SEPTEMBER 1621, WE HAD A FEE SCHEDULE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK AND NEVER DID. WE HAD A PERSONNEL POLICY WITH THE POLICE. WE ALL REMEMBER THAT NIGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BROUGHT BACK, DRAFT PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. THAT WAS ON OCTOBER 21 THAT NEVER CAME. WE WERE GOING TO DO AN INTERNAL AUDIT COMMITTEE. WE EVEN BUDGETED 60,000 FOR IT. THAT NEVER CAME BACK AROUND. WE DID AN WE, WE APPROVED THE ENGINEERING OF AN AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY WELL PROJECT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT NEVER HAPPENED. BUT WE APPROVED IT. WE HAD ALTERING SPEED LIMITS. WE HAD SPANISH CLOSED CAPTIONING AND I'LL BE HONEST, THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL IF THAT'S HAPPENING OR NOT. BUT WE APPROVED THAT. WE HAD AN ITEM TO COME UP ON OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TEMPORARY PROCESS IN REGARD TO VIOLATIONS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGERS AND COUNCIL. YOU CAN VIOLATE THE CODE, BUT THERE'S NO VIOLATION, THERE'S NO PENALTY TO IT. AND THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS MAY HAVE VIOLATED. AND OPENED UP WITHOUT A CEO OR A TKO, BUT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ANYWAY. AND SO WE SAID, LET'S HAVE AN ORDINANCE. LOOK AT THAT. WE WANTED STAFF TO BRING BACK A PRIORITY LIST, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM REGARDING DOWNTOWN PROJECTS AFTER MEETING WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS. THAT WAS IN MARCH OF 22, WHICH YOU CAN UNDERSTAND MY FRUSTRATION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A YEAR. STAFF IS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK ON A BUSINESS BOARD. THAT WAS IN MARCH. WE HAD A RESTROOM AT HUDSON COMMUNITY PARK. WE APPROVED 90, ALMOST 94,000 IN MAY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BATHROOM HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET, BUT WE'RE COMING UP ON 15 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS. AND I'M SURE WE TALK ABOUT COSTS GOING UP. I'M SURE THAT'S CHANGED. WE HAVE THESE ISSUES WITH RIGHT OF WAY ON THE LEMMER LOOP 1660. BUT IN JUNE OF 22 WE DID RIGHT AWAY DONATIONS FROM DURANGO VANTAGE AT HUTTO MERITAGE. AND SO SOMEHOW WE DID ALL THOSE AND STILL HAD RIGHT AWAY ISSUES FOR THOSE SAME PEOPLE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE PROVEN IT NOT HAPPENING. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON IN OCTOBER, WE WANTED TO HAVE A FEATURED ITEM ABOUT RELEASING EXECUTIVE SESSION RECORDINGS. I THINK I'M ON YOUR SIDE NOW. [04:00:01] BUT YEAH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT USE OF CITY HALL BY THE PUBLIC. WHAT WE CAN DO THERE. DISCUSS A PROCESS FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION ONBOARDING. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND WE HAD A RECONCILIATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, I THINK, THAT DEALT WITH. WE'VE PASSED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. WE'RE PAYING OUT MONEY, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD THAT I'VE SEEN A GOOD TRACK OF. WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE AND WHO WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO. THE REQUEST FOR STATUS OF IMPACT FEE COLLECTIONS WAS IN OCTOBER A BREAKDOWN OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH I THINK WE GOT. PARTLY. WE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON TRAFFIC CIRCLES AFTER THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED, AND SO THAT'S BEEN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. WE GOT GOT THAT THIS WEEK. SO. REVIEW OF DEDICATED PARKLAND TO THE CITY. I WANT TO SAY WE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ABOUT LIKE MAYBE NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH PARKLAND WE HAVE OR HOW MUCH IS EARMARKED TO BE DEDICATED MIGHT HAVE BEEN ME BECAUSE I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT PARKLAND HAS BEEN DEDICATED AND WHERE IT'S AT. I JUST KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT CITY PARKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER LAND HAS BEEN DEDICATED AND RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S ON MY LIST. IS COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. REQUEST? YEAH, I THOUGHT. POLICY FOR DEVELOPER FUNDED SPECIAL PROJECT. WE HAD THAT IN SEPTEMBER OF 22. THAT WAS IF WE HAD A IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BECAUSE IT'S GOT YOUR NAME BY IT. IT WAS WE TALKED AFTER THE. RIGHT. YES. AND FRITZ PARK, THERE WAS AN IDEA IN TERMS OF IF WE HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS WHEN THESE COMPANIES COME IN, THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND SPONSOR SOMETHING. IF A COMPANY CAME UP AND SAID, HEY, DO WE HAVE $100,000 PROJECT THAT WE CAN PUT OUR NAME ON? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS FOR THAT. SO DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE? DNI TRAINING SHARED WITH AGGRESSIVE COUNSEL, WHICH WE HAD AN UPDATE LAST WEEK. DISCONTINUE MAYOR'S PARTICIPATION AGENDA MEETINGS. WE WENT OVER THAT. AMENDMENTS NEEDED TO PERSONNEL POLICY. I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT. THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN CHANGED, BUT I THINK WE GOT A MEMO. THIS WEEK THAT THERE WERE POLICIES, CHANGES MADE TO PERSONNEL POLICIES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT UNTIL WE VOTE ON THEM, THEY'RE NOT LEGAL. AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT ON THE MEMO, WHAT TRIGGERED THAT. BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT THE POLICE HAD FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS THERE'S CONSTANT PERSONNEL CHANGES, BUT WE NEVER VOTE ON THEM. DISCUSSION OF ADDING WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY. ADDING A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION FOR THE CITY'S AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM. BECAUSE IN SEPTEMBER WE PASSED THE. I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS. SOME POLICY. WHAT WAS IT IN SUMMER CAMP OR SUMMER CAMP THINGS OR. YEAH. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. INCREASE LIVE RECONSTRUCTION TO INCLUDE DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES. THAT WAS IN AUGUST. THAT'S BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH LIVE OAK. AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THIS BIG BOULEVARD WITH ON STREET PARKING AND DRAINAGE. AND THEN WE KIND OF SCALED IT BACK ONCE UPON A TIME AND SAID, WELL, WHAT IF WE DON'T DO PARKING? BUT THEN WE DO DRAINAGE. AND SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T THAT I KNOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOT A GOOD COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT ANY OF THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND WE WANTED IT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN TWO PHASES WHERE WE COULD DO THIS AMOUNT AND THEN IF WE WANTED TO ADD THE ON STREET PARKING, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL COST WOULD BE THE GREATER ROAD. AND THEN THAT'S OUR FUTURE EXTENSION. SO CAN WE GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THE WORK TO WHERE IF WE WANT TO ADD ON STREET PARKING THREE YEARS FROM NOW. BUT THE PEOPLE ON LIVE OAK, I MEAN THEY'D GIVE THEIR LEFT LEG TO GET THAT ROAD REDONE. IN AUGUST, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING AN UPGRADED PHONE SYSTEM TO THE IT MASTER PLAN. MM HMM. I'LL BE HONEST, I FORGOT THAT WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN. WE SEE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE HAD AUGUST DISCUSS A LIGHT AT LEMMER AND EXCHANGE. WE GOT THAT ONE DONE. THEN WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING A DISCUSSION TO KNOW WHAT DOES IT COST? EDGE SCHMITT AND LINEAR LOOP A SIGNAL SOURCE IMPROVEMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO IT. THE EMORY FARMS TRUCK GATE, WHICH I THINK WE BUDGETED MONEY FOR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE STUCK ON WHAT TO DO. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SCOPED AND IS WITH THE DESIGN TEAM RIGHT NOW. OH, IT IS OK. YEAH. THE THE SPECIFIC WELL, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR UPDATES ON THESE, SO JUST KEEP GOING. YEAH. THE RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT THAT'S COMING NEXT MEETING. AND THEN LASTLY, AUGUST 4TH WE HAD RELEASE OF LITIGATION SUMMARY TO THE PUBLIC. BECAUSE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY HAD HAPPENED. WE COULDN'T REMEMBER. I KNOW I STILL HAD IT AND WE RELEASED IT OUT AND IT WAS PUT ON, ON THE WEBSITE. GO AND CONFIRM THAT IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE. BUT I THINK WE MOTIONED FOR IT. [04:05:02] BUT I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NOT AND I COULD NEVER FIND IT. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK, FIND IT EITHER. YEAH. SO WE GOT THAT. DISCUSS DOWNTOWN CONCERNS. I THINK THAT WAS. FOLLOW UP FROM PREVIOUSLY. AND YOU HAD B-CELL LOAN ISSUES. I WAS JUST A COMMENT. YEAH. I DIDN'T THINK I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS AN ACTION OR JUST MORE OF A COMMENT. AND THEN. YEAH. SO WHAT? HERE'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS ON. THERE WAS A COMMENT. SO ITEM 12 ONE BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2ND 21, WE APPROVED THE H AND TBE MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT, SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER THREE FOR ONGOING ROAD BOND PROJECTS. AND MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE 1,000,002 THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON MONTHLY UPDATES. SO IT SAID QUARTERLY MONTHLY UPDATES AND IT PASSED SEVEN ZERO. AND BECAUSE EVEN AT THAT TIME WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE ROAD PROJECTS DRAG OUT FOR SO LONG. SO MY WHOLE THING TO THE COUNCIL IS WE TEND TO. WELL, OUR CONVERSATION WAS I'M NOT AS TRUSTING. I ALWAYS SAY IT. I'M NOT AS TRUSTING OR TRUST. NOT AT ALL. IN THE MAYOR PRO TEM TRUST MORE. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS ON THE COUNCIL. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO IN 2023 WAS REALLY, LOOK, WHEN WE MAKE SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN WRITING, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY HURTING OURSELVES BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE HAVE A WHOLE YEAR'S WORTH OF ACTION WE TOOK AND NOTHING GOT DONE. AND SO SOME OF IT IS TOUGH. AND SO TO ME, WHAT I'M GOING TO BE SPENDING MORE TIME PUSHING AND I TALKED TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM THAT I WAS GOING TO BE DOING WAS AS WE HAVE ITEMS COME UP AND WE PUT THESE UNCLEAR KIND OF BROAD STIPULATIONS THAT WE DIAL THAT BACK AND GO, LET'S GET THIS IN WRITING SO THAT WE CAN THEN HOLD. WE ONLY GOT ONE EMPLOYEE, CITY MANAGER. AND SO I SEE THIS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. AS WE WERE TALKING, I THINK YESTERDAY, YOU CAN'T HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE IF YOU DON'T GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION BECAUSE THEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU GO, WELL, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU DID. AND HE'S LIKE, YEAH, BUT THESE THREE PEOPLE ARE. SO WHY ARE YOU UPSET? WHY HAD A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING IF WE AS A COUNCIL? GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION AND NOT AMBIGUOUS. THEN THEN WE CAN COME BACK. AND WHEN WE DO VOWS AND GO, YOU'RE DOING GREAT, OR YOU'RE DOING OKAY OR WHATEVER, BUT OPEN TO OTHER COMMENTS. MAYOR PRO TEM I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GIST OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DAY. YEAH, YEAH. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY I CALLED YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF YOU'RE GETTING READY TO. YOU WERE DRAFTING THIS POST. I'M LIKE, DUDE, LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT IN COUNCIL MEETING, NOT FACEBOOK. YEAH, THAT'D BE NICE. SO WE DID. AND IT WAS GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY MANAGER EARP. HE DOES HAVE A PLAN ALREADY IN PLACE TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING WELL, SO. SO EVEN BEFORE THIS, THIS CAME UP AS AS AN ISSUE ONE WHENEVER I STARTED. RIGHT. I WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB. AND THE LAST THING I WANT IS TO BE ASKED TO DELIVER THINGS AND FORGET ABOUT THEM. SO I'VE BEEN TRACKING AND KEEPING NOTES WHENEVER I GET ASKED TO DO SOMETHING. MATT ASSAM. YOU KNOW, TRACKS. KATE TRACKS. DAVID TRACKS. NOW THERE'S MULTIPLE ONES OF US LISTENING. I'VE GOT. WELL, LET ME FLIP OVER. I'LL TELL YOU. TONIGHT, ALONE, I HAVE NINE MORE ITEMS JUST FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT STAGES OR PHASES. BUT. WHAT WHAT I THINK TO THE MAYOR'S POINT SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT REALLY RESONATED WITH ME MOST IS WE STARTED INTERNALLY TRYING TO MANAGE ALL OF THESE VIA DIFFERENT OUTLETS. YOU KNOW, WE TRACKING IT ON EXCEL, WE'RE TRACKING IT ON WORD. WE HAVE IT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. MAYBE. MATT SOME NOTES DON'T MATCH MY NOTES, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO WHENEVER I TOLD YOU ALL THAT I WAS, I WAS LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. THE BUDGETING WAS ONE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE OTHER ONE THAT WE'RE WE'RE ROLLING OUT IS, IS BASICALLY A PROJECT TYPE SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS US TO TRACK THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. SO THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS CALLED REICH IS THE ONE THAT WE WENT AND WE THAT YOU GUYS APPROVED, AUTHORIZED FOR US TO USE. AND THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING WHAT WHAT MY THINKING IS, IS THAT IT'S IF I PUT MYSELF IN YOUR SHOES, YOU ASK FOR AN ITEM, BE IT HERE OR EVEN INFORMALLY, BUT SAY YOU ASK FOR IT HERE AT THE MEETING. AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T KNOW IF A I REMEMBER B I'M NOT STONEWALLING YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE ITEM OR WHATEVER ELSE OR. OR SEE WHETHER IT'S MAKING ANY PROGRESS OR ANY OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY FOR YOU TO KNOW. SO MY THOUGHT WAS, WELL, LET'S BUILD A. [04:10:01] LET'S BUILD A DASHBOARD WHERE I PUT ALL OF THESE ITEMS. AND THAT'S RIGHT. IS WHAT WE'RE USING FOR THAT. LET'S BUILD A DASHBOARD WHERE WE PUT ALL THESE ITEMS AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THAT PUBLIC FACING. SO YOU CAN SEE WE CAN SEE PUBLIC AND SEE. I SUPPOSE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT CAPABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS EITHER. SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT RIGHT AWAY. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE OR AN ACCOUNT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. BUT BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT THEN SAY YOU ASK FOR SOMETHING AND IT DIDN'T CLICK WITH STAFF. LIKE I DIDN'T INTERPRET THAT AS AN ASK. YOU COULD LOOK AT THE LIST AND SIMPLY SAY, HEY, MY THING ISN'T ON THE LIST, WASN'T ON THE LIST AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING YOU ASKED ABOUT. AND AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM YOU ABOUT FOR SOME TIME. AND I CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOUR ITEM IS ON THE LIST, BUT YOU DIDN'T REALLY GIVE ME ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AFTER THE LAST TIME. SO WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO DO IS SOLVE MULTIPLE BIRDS WITH WITH THE SAME TYPE STONE, AND SO TO SPEAK, IS TO LIST NOT ONLY LIST THE ITEMS, BUT ALSO PUT THEM IN A FORMAT WHERE ALL OF YOU CAN SEE THEM TOO. SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALL KIND OF KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE I WILL AND HAVE BEEN PRIORITIZING THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. RIGHT? SO THE CIP REPORT, I'VE PRIORITIZED THAT VERY HIGH, THE IMPACT FEE ANALYSIS I'VE OF PRIORITIZE THAT THE PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL REDOS I'VE PRIORITIZED THAT SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THE SALT HOUSE REPAIRS I HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED I'VE LET THAT DROP BECAUSE I THINK THAT THESE THINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND NEED TO GET DONE FIRST. SO I AM PRIORITIZING. BUT THAT LETS YOU SEE AT THE VERY LEAST, WHO IT'S ASSIGNED TO. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THERE WERE SOME CHANGE TO THE TO THE INFORMATION OR WHATEVER ELSE? THAT'S HOW I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. NOW. THE ITEMS THAT OBVIOUSLY OCCURRED BEFORE I WAS HERE. THAT'S HELPFUL FOR ME BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR X, Y, AND Z AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT OR X, Y, AND Z WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN IT AND IT HASN'T. SO WHAT I'M DOING WITH MY STAFF TIME RIGHT NOW IS DAVID IS SPENDING AN EGREGIOUS AMOUNT OF HIS TIME TRYING TO GET THE CIPS, THE ENGINEERING, THE SEERS AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. SO THEN WE CAN MOVE TO GETTING THEN THE IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE DONE AND HR IS ALREADY WORKING ON THE PERSONNEL POLICY THERE, DEADLINES COMING UP. SO THAT'S A WAY FOR Y'ALL TO SEE THAT THINGS ARE BEING WORKED ON, WHERE THEY'RE AT, KIND OF IN THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF DELIVERY, WHICH THINGS I'VE PRIORITIZED IN CASE I MISREAD THE ROOM. AND MAYBE I'M NOT PRIORITIZING SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BE OVER OTHER THINGS. THAT'S HOW I'M TRYING TO TO MANAGE THIS, BECAUSE IT IS I HAVE OVER 100 AND SOMETHING ITEMS SINCE I STARTED IN AUGUST THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT FORMS OR FASHIONS. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN DELIVERED, SOME OF THEM ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DELIVERY. YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT THAT I DON'T HAVE ON MY LIST, SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. BUT BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, IF I KEEP ADDING NINE OR TEN EVERY TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, TO THE LIST, THE LIST IS GETTING BIGGER AND YOU ALL NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT TOO. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S LIKE 200 OR 300 NOW, YOU KNOW, REQUEST AND WE'VE CLEARED 15 OR WE'VE CLEARED 20. THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF THE PACE OF SOME OF THESE REQUESTS BECAUSE SOME THINGS ARE VERY SIMPLE TO DO. OTHER THINGS REQUIRE LITERALLY LIKE REBUILDING THE WORLD IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND I'M WILLING TO INVEST THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE GOOD MANAGEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED ALL THAT WITH. OVER THREE FOURTHS OF THOSE ITEMS CAME BEFORE YOU GOT HERE. AND THE OTHER ONES, IT'S ONLY BEEN, SAY, 100, 100 DAYS. AND SOME HOLIDAYS DON'T END SO. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE NOTED AS WELL. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT PROGRAM? IT'S CALLED RIGHT W R I K E RIGHT. I'M SORRY W R I K E RIGHT. IT'S LIKE A SAUNA OR MONDAQ.COM OR ANY OF THE OTHER. GENERAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT. IT'S IT'S A BETTER VERSION OF MICROSOFT PLANNER. SO. WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE? UP AND RUNNING LIKE 90 DAYS. LET ME LOOK TO THE GUY THAT'S IN THE HOT SEAT ON THAT THING. ON. YES. YES. DAVID AMSLER, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE MOVING QUITE FAST ON. RIGHT. LUCKILY, KATE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY AWESOME WITH SOFTWARE, SO SHE'S HELPED A LOT WITH THIS. WE ARE READY FROM THE SPREADSHEET THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT IS ALREADY IN REICH, SO WE'VE ALREADY TRANSFERRED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THAT DATA INTO, RIGHT? SO ON YOUR END, WE'RE PRIORITIZING YOU GUYS AND ENGINEERING WHEN IT COMES TO. RIGHT. SO THOSE TWO, I ANTICIPATE TO BE FULLY OPERATIONAL WITHIN 45 TO 60 DAYS. [04:15:10] SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD ON TO REICH ON THIS. WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR ITEMS, WE'RE ABLE TO PULL A REPORT AND WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN YOUR FRIDAY LETTER. WHATEVER COUNCIL DECIDES TO SHOW THIS CONSISTENTLY WHERE THESE ITEMS ARE. AND THEN ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE, WE'RE BUILDING GANTT CHARTS TO SHOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS. AND WE'RE ALL WE'RE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THAT INSIDE OF REICH, AS WELL AS ASSIGN DUE DATES TO STAFF AND OTHER THINGS. SO, SO AWESOME. GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. YEAH, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DOTTY. WHAT IS THE PROPER PROCEDURE OF BRINGING BACK, LIKE, AN ITEM THAT WAS TABLED? SO, LIKE, SAY THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THE TABLING OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, YOU REALLY SHOULD JUST POSTPONE TO A DATE CERTAIN OR. BUT WE'VE TABLED, I MEAN NOT A LOT BUT WE'VE, WE HAVE LIKE A HANDFUL OR MAYBE EVEN TEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. AND WHAT'S A PROPER PROCEDURE TO. ONCE THAT DATE ARRIVES, THEN WHAT KIND OF ACTION DOES COUNCIL HAVE TO TAKE IN ORDER TO GET IT BACK IN FRONT OF US? YOU WOULD TECHNICALLY MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE, BUT IF YOU JUST START WORKING ON THE AGENDA ITEM WITHOUT THAT AND NOBODY RAISES A POINT OF ORDER, YOU JUST MOVE ON. YEAH, JUST LIKE A NEW AGENDA ITEM. I ALWAYS LIKE THE WORD POSTPONE TO A DATE SO THAT THE STAFF WILL KNOW. YOU KNOW, AT THIS MEETING THIS ITEM IS GOING TO COME BACK ON THIS DATE. OR IF YOU POSTPONE INDEFINITELY, IT MEANS IT NEVER COMES BACK. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT ANNOYS ME SO BAD BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND IT'S NOT COUNCIL HERE SPECIFICALLY. IT'S JUST BORED. ANYBODY WHO'S USED IT TRYING TO USE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER TABLING IS GENERALLY FOR WITHIN THE MEETING YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE ITEM AWAY AND BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING. THAT'S USUALLY WHAT TABLING IS AND THEN POSTPONING IS USUALLY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AT A DIFFERENT MEETING. AND THOSE IT'S JUST IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE LITTLE NUANCES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW YOU TYPICALLY USE IT. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT DOTTIE IS SAYING. A MOTION TO TABLE REQUIRES A MOTION TO PULL FROM THE TABLE, WHEREAS A POSTPONEMENT JUST RE ASSIGNS THE ITEM TO THAT DATE AND THEN IT'S BACK ON THE AGENDA AT THAT DATE. AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT JUST YOU KNOW, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE. YEAH, WELL, I KNOW THAT WHENEVER WE WERE DOING THE CITY MANAGER INTERVIEWS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE JUST THE RECEPTION. IT WASN'T EVEN BEFORE WE DID LIKE THE ONE ON ONES AND EVERYTHING. I TALKED TO ALL OF THE CANDIDATES AND I DID TALK TO JAMES BRIEFLY BECAUSE HE WAS I THINK HE WAS ONE OF THE LAST ONES. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT ON TO THE TOPIC. I GUESS BECAUSE I WAS FROM HIS RESUME, HE KIND OF SEEMED LIKE A TECHIE GUY, ORGANIZED AND USED DEVICES AND THINGS. WELL, AND SO I ASKED HIM ABOUT KEEPING TRACK OF OF ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES ON OR WHETHER IT'S FROM RESIDENTS EMAILING US LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? OR EVEN ACTIONS. WE JUST GOT ON THAT TOPIC, ACTIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO AT THE TIME HE EXPLAINED THINGS, HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, YOU NEED WE NEED HOW HE OPERATES IS THAT IT'S ORGANIZED LIKE SOFTWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT KEEPS IT IN TRACK SO YOU DON'T LOSE TRACK OF IT SO THAT WHOEVER IN THE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO ADDRESS A RESIDENCE ISSUE IF, IF WE FORWARDED ON TO HIM. RIGHT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE. SO WE JUST KIND OF SCREWED IT OVER. AND THEN HE SCOOTS IT TO THE STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, AND THEN IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. BUT THEN ALSO, WHENEVER IT COMES TO COUNCIL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAD FAITH IN THAT AND HOW HE EXPLAINED THINGS ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS. AND THEN ALSO JUST, I GUESS, HEARING JUST VERY LITTLE ABOUT THIS RIGHT SYSTEM THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT. AND MAYBE WITHIN THAT, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A FORM LIKE MY SIMPLE THINKING IS LIKE GOOGLE. DOC RIGHT. YOU HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, RIGHT? BUT EVERYBODY, IF WE WANT TO SUBMIT A REQUEST TO HIM, WE HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. HE'S KIND OF LAID OUT, RIGHT? SO HE CAN GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ON AN ITEM THAT ARE A REQUEST FROM US. AND THEN IT CAN OBVIOUSLY BE IN THE QUEUE AND EVERYTHING. HE OBVIOUSLY HAS HIS 100 ALREADY, BUT ONCE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A BETTER SYSTEM THAT WE'RE ALL APPRIZED OF. SO YEAH, SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT. BUT I'VE ALWAYS HAD FAITH IN YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION. [04:20:05] I KNOW IF IT WERE ME, IT'D PROBABLY BE CHAOTIC, BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND JUST MOVING FORWARD. I KNOW IT'S JUST GOING TO GET BETTER AND WE'LL GET A LOT OF WORK DONE AND HOPEFULLY EFFICIENTLY. SO SO ON THE RIGHT PROCESS, DOES IT HAVE THE ABILITY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING SEVERITY OR PRIORITIZATION WHEN SOMEONE EVEN SUBMITS SO THAT IT DIDN'T AUTO? SCHWARTZ BECAUSE I HAVEN'T USED REICH BEFORE, BUT I USE JIRA AND JENKINS FOR SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT IN SCRUM BOARDS AND KANBAN AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO AND OBVIOUSLY GANTT CHARTS IS PART OF THAT. BUT ANYWAYS, SO I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD THING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING INTO THE DETAILS HOW WE CAN USE IT. DID YOU, DID YOU ASK THE QUESTION IF WE CAN DO IT? I MEAN YES. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, WELL I'M SORRY HE WAS, HE WAS SHAKING HIS HEAD SO. YEAH. AND IT WORKS JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER TYPES. AND WE TRIED THREE DIFFERENT ONES, I THINK. I'M PRETTY SURE KATE'S GONE BY NOW, BUT WE WE PILOTED A SAUNA. WE PILOTED MONDAQ.COM. AND ANOTHER ONE, MAYBE. YEAH, AND ROCK IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT REALLY MATCHES THE NEED OF OUR ORGANIZATION THE BEST. AND THEN THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE PURSUED GOING FORWARD AND GETTING SO AND IT ALLOWS US ALL KINDS OF CUSTOMIZATION COUNCIL MEMBER TO WHERE YOU CAN DO MORE THAN JUST HIGH, MEDIUM AND LOW PRIORITY YOU CAN HAVE. TEN DEGREES OF IMPORTANCE IF YOU WANT TO. YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY GET NUANCED ON HOW YOU SET IT UP. BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I DON'T WANT IT TO MAKE IT SO COMPLICATED THAT I'M SPENDING A TON OF STAFF TIME JUST INPUTTING INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM THAT HELPS US STAY ORGANIZED. SO THERE IS A BALANCE THERE, BUT I DO WANT IT TO BE ROBUST ENOUGH, AT THE VERY LEAST, TO WHERE YOU AS A COUNCIL CAN SEE. HERE'S THE LIST OF ITEMS. HERE'S WHAT THINGS HERE'S THE LAST UPDATE ON THIS ONE WAS TWO DAYS AGO, OR THIS ONE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED FOR THREE MONTHS. WHY NOT? YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? [12.7. Discussion and possible action regarding the qualifications of City Council member Place 5 as described in the Hutto Charter section 3.02 and any related action per the charter in accordance with Section 3.06(b)(1) including but not limited to forfeiture of office (Mayor Snyder)] ALL RIGHT. NOW, MOVE ON TO ITEM 12 SEVEN DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE QUALIFICATIONS OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PLACE FIVE AS DESCRIBED IN THE HUTTO CHARTER, SECTION 3.02 AND ANY RELATED ACTION FOR THE CHARTER IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3.0 6B1, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FORFEITURE OF OFFICE. AND I BELIEVE. THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, I WOULD SAY BASED ON. WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. SO WHAT I DO IS ASK A QUESTION AND I'M NOT MEANING BY THIS. AND THEN I'VE ALREADY TOLD JAMES MY THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT I WANT YOU TO ASK HOW. I JUST SAY IF THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU'VE MOVED AND WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE ON THE 20,000 OR WHATEVER THE COST IS. WHEN I WAS TALKING TO JAMES, I SAID, MY ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE COUNCIL THAT DECISIONS GET MADE THAT AFFECT THE COUNCIL OR THAT THE PEOPLE START ASKING QUESTIONS ON. AND THIS GOES TO A COUNCILMEMBER NOT RECEIVING PAY. A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY HAVE A DUAL OFFICE AND QUESTIONS ARE BEING ANSWERED. WE NEED TO GET, IN MY OPINION, TO WHERE WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS UP HERE THAT, HEY, I PLAN IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I'M JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, HEY, I'M PLANNING ON RESIGNING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER AN EXPENSE FOR THE PEOPLE. SO HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. AND THEN WE CAN PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS WE FEEL LIKE THE RESIDENCY ISSUE IS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT TO SAVE MONEY OR WHATEVER, WE THINK THIS IS A CORRECT ACTION AND THEN THE PEOPLE CAN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE BASED ON THAT. BUT THEN, LIKE I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, I DON'T THINK THEY DO A LOT OF TALKING THEN BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE SET A THING. WE AS A CITY COUNCIL DETERMINE THAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THAT A STATE EMPLOYEE CAN CAN SERVE ON COUNCIL. AND BASED ON EVERYTHING WE'VE READ, THEY SHOULD THEY CAN REFUSE PAY. AND IF WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT AS A COUNCIL, THEN I THINK YOU TAKE AWAY A LOT OF THE FIREPOWER OF THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, WHEN WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, THEY FILL THAT VACUUM AND THAT VOID WITH THEIR OWN OPINIONS. WHEREAS IF WE JUST SPEND A TIME UP HERE, WE'RE SO AFRAID THAT. THE MAYOR'S COMING OUT TO ME OR WHATEVER. IT IT IS MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING. YOU TALK ABOUT PROCESSES A LOT. WE FREQUENTLY SEEM LIKE WE'RE JUST MAKING THINGS. SO ALL THIS HERE, THE REASON I PUT THIS UP WAS BECAUSE PEOPLE STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS AND I'M LIKE, WELL, I REMEMBERED WHEN THIS SAME SORT OF THING HAPPENED IN COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON BROUGHT UP ABOUT MAYOR PRO TEM ROSE AT THE TIME, AND I KNEW HE STILL WAS LIVING IN HIS HOUSE AND HAD FURNITURE IN HIS HOUSE. [04:25:03] AND SO I TOLD HER THEN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I WOULDN'T BRING THE ITEM UP ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I THINK MY WORDS WERE YOU'D LOOK DUMB. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO BE MEAN, BUT I SAID I WOULDN'T DO THAT. JUST CALL HIM BECAUSE HE'S FULLY LIVING IN HIS HOUSE. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I THINK THE LISTING AND EVERYTHING, THERE WAS NO FURNITURE. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW AS A MAYOR OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS VIEW IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO. TRIGGER THE DISCUSSION WITHOUT IT BECOMING A BIG STORM. BUT TO ME, THE DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE HAD A MONTH AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO OR WHATEVER, AND NOT TO GET IN YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS, BUT THEN TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE'VE GOT A PLAN, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. WE COULD THEN ALREADY HAVE STARTED A PROCESS OF TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT ANYBODY INTERESTED IN BEING APPOINTED, AND WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN AN ORDERLY TRANSITION. THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR OUT OF THE COUNCIL. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I'M NOT TRYING TO START ANYTHING. I'M TRYING TO. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PARALLELS BETWEEN MY SITUATION AND FORMER PLAY SIX'S SITUATION. I WAS. I ANNOUNCED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING. AND IF IT'S THE SAME EXACT THOUGHT PROCESS THAT YOU'RE TOLD, ROBYN TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND FORCING HER ASKING EXCUSE ME, NOT FORCING, ASKING HER TO REMOVE HER AGENDA ITEM. IN FACT, YOU COULD HAVE JUST CALLED ME AND YOU DIDN'T REMOVE YOUR OWN AGENDA ITEM. IN FACT, YOU BROKE COUNCIL PROTOCOLS OR PUT IT ON ON A SATURDAY OVER A HOLIDAY WEEKEND. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH A MOOT ISSUE, A MOOT POINT AT THIS TIME IN THE DAY AND THE TIME OF THE EVENING. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'LL LET IT BE WHAT IT IS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO EXECUTIVE. WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY A MOOT ISSUE NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THE QUESTION, I GUESS, IS, ARE YOU LIVING IN THE CITY LIMITS OF HUTTO? MY RESIDENCY IS IN. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT LIVING PERSONALLY IN HUTTO. AND SO HERE, HERE COMES IN. THE PROBLEM. LET'S SAY YOU AND I HAD THIS TALK WITH THE CITY MANAGER. YOU'LL FIND I NEVER I NEVER CHANGED. LET'S SAY YOU DON'T PUT IN YOUR RESIGNATION TOMORROW. I HAVE EVERY INTENTION. I KNOW YOU DO. BUT LIKE A RESIGNATION, YOU COULD PUT IT IN TOMORROW. BE DEALING IN THEORETICAL IS WHEN I'M SAYING IT. SO WHY ARE WE EVEN GOING TO GO DOWN THAT PATHWAY? WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO THAT AND IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, DO YOU REALLY THINK I'M GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY I'M GOING TO DO IT AND. 12 HOURS SAY, OOH, GOTCHA, MIKE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO EXPECT IT TO BE RIGHT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. LIKE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WANT TO POINT OUT THEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS DURING THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS AND YOU HAVE THE MEMO FROM THE OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YOUR CHARTER JUST SAYS RESIDENCY. OTHER CHARTERS WILL GO ON AND SAY WHAT CONSTITUTES RESIDENCY. YOU REALLY HAVE NO GUIDANCE AS TO HAVE SOMEBODY FORFEIT THEIR OFFICE BASED ON RESIDENCY UNLESS YOU HAVE A CONCLUSIVE LEGAL DOCUMENT SAYING THERE'S NO HOUSE HERE THAT THIS PERSON OWNS OR KNOW THEY CHANGE THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, OR YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONCLUSIVE LEGAL DOCUMENTS FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. AND SO THEN YOU DEFAULT TO THAT. A TEXAS COURT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A RULING ON THAT. SO I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE LEGAL GUIDANCE THAT WE GAVE YOU AND THAT YOUR CHARTER DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ANY SPECIFICS. AND IF THERE IS A HOUSE OWNED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY, SHE MEETS THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. TOTALLY AGREE. AND THAT'S WHAT FISH. IF A PERSON AND YOU TAKE IT PERSONALLY LIKE IT'S ME VERSUS YOU, THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL. IF IT WAS IF IT WAS TAN OR ROSE AND TAN OR ROSE WAS NOW LIVING IN FLORIDA AND HE HAD A HOUSE HERE, PEOPLE WOULD BE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. IT'S NOT. WE KEEP TAKING THINGS PERSONALLY. IT'S THE ISSUE. AND SO WHAT I KNOW OF RESIGNATION NOTICES ARE, ONE, THEY HAVE TO BE IN WRITING. AND TWO, THEY'RE NOT EFFECTIVE UNTIL EIGHT DAYS FROM THE TIME THEY'RE IN WRITING OR UNTIL THE COUNCIL ACCEPTS IT. A PERSON COULD RESIGN IN WRITING ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH AND RESCIND THE RESIGNATION ON THE SIXTH OF THE MONTH. AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO OPERATE, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO WHERE POTENTIALLY YOU COULD SAY, I GOT YOU AND IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE RESIDENCY, WHICH IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE VERY BEGINNING BASED ON THE GUY IN SAN ANTONIO. I'M JUST SAYING, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS, YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK QUITTING VIA FACEBOOK IS DEFINITELY NOT PROFESSIONAL WHATSOEVER. AND THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE IN PERSON TO FINISH THIS MEETING AND THEN TO SUBMIT IT HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT PRECEDENT TO SET AND TO GIVE THE CITIZENS ESSENTIALLY TWO MONTHS NOTICE. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A BAD PRECEDENT EITHER. [04:30:03] ALL RIGHT. NOW, THERE IS ONE OTHER THING THAT DOES COME UP THAT DOES MENTION IT ALSO HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES ON THE EDC. WE HAD SOME PEOPLE RESIGN AND UNDER RAUL THEY ARE UNDER HOLDOVER UNTIL THEIR A NEW CANDIDATE IS PUT IN. SO EVEN THOUGH SHE'S RESIGNING, IN THEORY, SHE CAN STILL COME TO THE MEETINGS UNTIL THE ELECTION AND A NEW PERSON IS ELECTED. AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM WHAT WAS GIVEN BY. LEGAL. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YOU'RE CORRECT. AND WE SUPPORTED THAT WITH SOME ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN OTHER PEOPLE IF SHE DOES DECIDE THAT SHE'S GOING TO KEEP COMING UP HERE, SHE CAN DO THAT, THAT IT'S A HOLDOVER AS A HOLDOVER. I KNOW THAT'S WRONG, MIKE. YOU GET INTO THESE THINGS AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY AS A COUNSEL, THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE THINGS TO THE PUBLIC. IF YOU WANT TRUST, WE WANT HEALING. WHY DID MOST OF US RUN FOR OFFICE? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TRUST THE PREVIOUS COUNSEL. WE DIDN'T LIKE THEIR ACTIONS. AND ALL I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. I'M SURE AT SOME POINT THEY HAD GOOD REASONS. ALL I'M SAYING IS LET'S JUST COMMUNICATE IT BETTER TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE DOING ALL THEIR THINGS. AND WE HAVE A PLAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT AS A PERSON HOLDING OVER, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? BECAUSE THIS IS UNCHARTED. I MEAN, IT'S I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. THERE HADN'T BEEN A CHANGE. I HOPE EVERYBODY TAKES IT PERSONALLY. MAY I ASK WHAT DOES COMMUNICATE IT TO THE PUBLIC? HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? WHAT IS YOUR ACCEPTABLE MEANS OF COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY. SO LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I THINK A DECISION ON. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THE LEGAL MEMO, THE COUNCIL COULD TONIGHT DETERMINE THAT OUR VIEW OF RESIDENCY IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LAY YOUR HEAD DOWN IN BED IN HUTTO. AND SO, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT ROUTE OR WE WANTED TO ACCEPT A RESIGNATION ON A CERTAIN DATE, MY IDEA OF COMMUNICATION IS WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION UP HERE. WE COMMUNICATE THROUGH A RESOLUTION THAT WE FEEL THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION GIVEN BETWEEN THE LEGAL MEMO AND THE PLANS THAT WE ANTICIPATE, THIS IS THE PATH AND THE RESIGNATIONS EFFECTIVE ON THIS DATE. AND WE VOTE ON IT AND WE MOVE ON. AND THEN I THINK THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO TALK ABOUT? WHAT IS THE FACEBOOK CHATTER ABOUT THE COUNCIL MET? WE TALKED ABOUT IT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEY DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING WE DO. I THINK THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE KEEP MAKING OR DECISIONS KEEP BEING MADE. I TOLD A MANAGER I DIDN'T KNOW AMBERLY OR COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR WASN'T COLLECTING PAY UNTIL LIKE THREE MONTHS AGO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S MAKING THE DECISIONS ON WHO CAN NOT TAKE PAY AND WHY THEY'RE NOT. THERE WAS NO LEGAL MEMO SENT AROUND ABOUT RESIDENCY AND WHAT THAT DEFINITION WAS UNTIL I PUT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. NOW, I HAD THE LEGAL MEMOS GONE OUT AND WE WERE COMMUNICATING ABOUT THIS IS WHAT RESIDENCY IS. WE COULD DRAW OUR OWN CONCLUSIONS AND GO, OKAY, MAKE SENSE. BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND SO DECISIONS, I THINK, KEEP GETTING MADE OR ROUTES WE KEEP GOING DOWN. AND WE'RE NOT ALL INCLUDING AND TO ONE ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE DAIS WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING, SHE SAID, I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH LEGAL TO FIGURE OUT WHEN I SHOULD RESIGN TO AVOID A SPECIAL ELECTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR. SO SHE HAS COMMUNICATED THAT PUBLICLY. AND NOW SHE WE KNEW THAT YOU KNOW, SHE KNOWS THAT THAT DATE IS TOMORROW. AND SO, YOU KNOW, NOW I AGREE. MAYBE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN AN ACTION. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. I DIDN'T KNOW THE DATE. I DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD TO BE TOMORROW. I YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE IT NEEDS TO COME BACK, I GUESS, FROM THE THING. BUT TO SAY THAT IT WASN'T COMMUNICATED, IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM THE DYESS I HEARD THAT I'M GOING TO BE RESIGNING. I HAVEN'T EVEN PUT MY HOUSE ON THE MARKET YET, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO FINISH MY TERM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. TRIGGER A SPECIAL ELECTION DURING A GENERAL LIKE WITHIN A MONTH OF IT, AND WASTING $30,000 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS FOR THE CITY, WHICH I THINK IS ADMIRABLE. AND WHAT I WOULD WANT FOR COUNCILMEMBERS TO ALWAYS TRY TO SAVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT A $4,000 PLAQUE WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND, WHICH IS, I AGREE, NOT SHOULDN'T BE DONE. WELL, THEN WE SHOULDN'T ALSO TRY TO THEN DO SOMETHING TO COST 30,000 FOR AN ELECTION WHEN WE CAN AVOID IT AND LEGALLY. IT BY THE OWN DEFINITIONS, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNEW THAT. I MEAN, SHE DID COMMUNICATE THAT SHE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE. SHE WOULDN'T BE. LIVING IN HUTTO SHE WOULD BE TECHNICALLY RESIDING. THAT'S THE COMMUNICATION PIECE THAT WE'RE MISSING. THAT'S THE PIECE THAT MAKES THE PUBLIC START CHATTERING ABOUT THE PERSONS NOT LIVING HERE. [04:35:02] IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED, THOUGH. I MEAN, IF SHE IF SHE LET'S SAY LET'S SAY LET'S SAY IN NOVEMBER, SHE COULD HAVE RESIGNED IN OCTOBER. SORRY. SORRY. I'M SORRY, MA'AM. I JUST I'M JUST. I'M TRYING TO STAY UP HERE. OKAY. NO, I MEAN. OH, GO. NOT EVERYONE LIVES AND DIES ON FACEBOOK, NOR DO I THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE LIVING IN RELYING ON ALL COMMUNICATION TO GO THROUGH FACEBOOK. NOR DO I BELIEVE A COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE INFLUENCED BY THE ONES THAT ARE CHATTERING. THAT'S ALL. LOOK, IF I SAY MORE OR. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, IF. IF. YOU KNOW, SHE COULD HAVE SAID, OH, THE MOMENT I PUT MY HOUSE IN THE MARKET, I'M GOING TO RESIGN BECAUSE I FEEL THAT WAY. BUT THEN SHE'D STILL WITHHOLD OVER. SHE'D STILL BE SITTING ON COUNCIL IF SHE CHOSE TO, YOU KNOW, TO ATTEND. SO I KNOW YOU JUST COMMUNICATING IT TO THE PUBLIC. TO WHERE? AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, THAT'S WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION. PEOPLE FILL IN THEIR OWN INFORMATION IF YOU'RE LEAVING. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. THE SAME THING OUT OF YOU, AS YOU SAY. LOOK, HERE'S MY PLAN. MY NOT WHEN YOUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET LIKE I'M MOVING, BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO THEN. I JUST THINK WE PASSED A SIMPLE RESOLUTION. I MEAN, I DON'T IT'S WHAT I TALK TO YOU ABOUT WITH COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR THAT I THINK AS A AS A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO BE PASSING RESOLUTIONS THAT THIS IS OUR IF I UNDERSTAND A RESOLUTION, RIGHT. IT'S MORE OF THIS IS OUR STATED VIEWS, THIS IS OUR OPINION OF SOMETHING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO. IF WE WANT TO GOVERN, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. THAT'S WHAT I SEE LACKING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG AT ALL WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHATSOEVER. I JUST WISH YOU WOULD HAVE FELT THAT WAY LAST YEAR BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE THING YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. THIS ALMOST TO A PINPOINT OF THE DAY LAST YEAR. YOUR VIEW IS NOT THE SAME. IT'S EXACT SAME. GREAT. I CAN ATTEST THAT. NO, IT WAS NOT THE SAME. OKAY. WELL, BUT REGARDLESS HERE, YOU STILL LIVED IN HUTTO. HE STILL HAD RESIDENCY. HE PARKED HIS CAR HERE EVERY NIGHT. HIS KIDS STILL WENT TO SCHOOL HERE. YEAH, BUT THE CHARTER DOESN'T DEFINE RESIDENCY. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY. SO WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DETERMINE THAT THIS EVENING, BECAUSE WHAT IS RIGHT NOW IN THE BOOKS IS VERY VAGUE, NOT SPECIFIC. SO ANY AT FAULT IS THERE'S NO AT FAULT OR NO ISSUE WITH WHATEVER IS CONSIDERED HER RESIDENCY OR NOT, WHETHER SHE PAID PROPERTY TAXES IN DECEMBER, WHAT SHE DID, WHETHER HER ID SAYS HER TEXAS, WHICH IS LIKE VERY LIKELY NOT THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO YEAH REGISTRATION CARD THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT IDENTIFY YOU WITH YOUR RESIDENCE RIGHT. I DO THINK OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE SPECIFICS BUT TODAY IT'S THE VERY BROAD. SO THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE DO HAVE TO FIX, WHETHER IT'S RESOLUTION, CHARTER AMENDMENT, THOSE THINGS. SO THIS EVENING, THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH HER RESIDENCY AND SHE I TAKE HER FOR A WORD. I APPRECIATE THE STEPS SHE HAS TAKEN BECAUSE SHE HAVE DONE MORE. PROBABLY. DID SHE DO BUT DID SHE COMMUNICATE? ABSOLUTELY. DID CONCERNED RESIDENTS OF HUTTO REACH OUT TO HER WITH QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS UP HERE FOR PEOPLE, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HUTTO. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY'S RESIDENCY, FEEL FREE TO ASK HER, CALL HER FACEBOOK OR WHATEVER. OR IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I KNOW, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AS WELL. AND I CAN TELL YOU ALL THE INFORMATION OR THE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT I HAVE. SO, YES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, JUST LIKE WE IDENTIFIED THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE SALARY ISSUE. SO NOW WE CAN JUST HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND FIX THE PROBLEM? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY MORE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD. OH, I'M SORRY. NOT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CUTTING YOU TOTALLY OFF, DAN. I MEAN, WE CAN JUST YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING, SO GO AHEAD. WELL, MY MY THING WAS IN THE CHARTER. I THINK THERE IS ONE PIECE THAT DOES MATTER. WE HAVE 18 MONTH RESIDENCY ESTABLISHMENT AND IT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A VOTER, WHICH WOULD IMPLY THAT YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION CARD WOULD HAVE TO STILL BE HUTTO. SO AS LONG AS YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION CARD IS STILL IN TO THAT, I DO BELIEVE WOULD BE A TRIGGERING POINT. AND YOU COULD CORRECT IF I'M WRONG. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX ANYTHING BECAUSE THE VOTER REGISTRATION CARD WOULD. SO AS LONG AS SOMEONE MAINTAIN THEIR VOTER REGISTRATION IN HUTTO, WHICH THEY CAN ONLY DO AS LONG AS THEY HAD A AS A PHYSICAL MAILING ADDRESS TO KEEP THAT VOTER REGISTRATION CARD, [04:40:09] BECAUSE IF THEY SOLD THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE A VALID VOTER REGISTRATION CARD. SO I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY. I DISAGREE THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE OF THE VOTER REGISTRATION CARD, IT HANDLES THAT CURRENTLY. LET'S JUST WE ARE SO WE'RE TALKING CHARTER AMENDMENTS, WHICH YOU GUYS TABLED. NO, I JUST KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ONE. RIGHT. I MEAN, SO THE ITEM IS NOT ABOUT. I KNOW. YEAH, I KNOW. OKAY. OR WE POSTPONED IT, I MEAN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THORNTON. YEAH. AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COULD COME INTO OUR RESIDENCY DEFINITION TO ANYWAY, WHETHER IT'S CHARTER OR NOT, RESIDENCY IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK IT APPLIES. I MEAN, IF YOU APPLY FOR A HOMESTEAD IN A NEW HOME, I THINK THAT MAYBE YOU'VE SWITCHED YOUR RESIDENCY IN THAT CASE. SO THERE'S THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT DIDN'T. I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS ON THE MARKET, THAT WAS THE SAME SITUATION AS LAST YEAR TO ME. I DIDN'T RAISE ANY CONCERNS WHEN I SAW. AND, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST AN INDICATION FROM SOMEBODY ON FACEBOOK, BUT INDICATION IN THE LISTING THAT THE HOUSE IS EMPTY. THEN I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE AS FAR AS I KNEW AT THE TIME, THAT WAS NO LONGER RESIDENCY. I DIDN'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT UNTIL WE GOT THE LEGAL MEMO, WHICH WE CAN GET UNTIL AFTER THE ITEM WAS ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW, IF THAT OPINION WAS DELIVERED SEPARATELY, THAT'S AN ISSUE. THE ISSUE THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, MAYOR, IS AN ONGOING IS AN ISSUE THAT'S HAPPENED A COUPLE OF TIMES WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER HAS GOTTEN A LEGAL OPINION ON SOMETHING AND ACTION WAS TAKEN BASED ON THAT LEGAL OPINION AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WAS NOT INFORMED. OUR LEGAL TEAM DOES NOT WORK FOR INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT WORKS FOR THE CITY. IF A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS SOMETHING, THEY DON'T HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP THAT PRIVATE FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. THE ENTIRE COUNCIL SHOULD ALWAYS BE INFORMED WHEN A LEGAL OPINION IS GIVEN TO ANY COUNCIL MEMBER. SO WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IF THEY IF SOMEBODY WENT TO LEGAL ON A COUNCIL PAY ISSUE, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED. IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND IT'S POTENTIALLY HAPPENED HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DISCUSSIONS WERE WITH THAT, BUT WE NEVER GOT A MEMO AND WE SHOULD HAVE. SO THERE WAS A LEGAL OPINION REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AND WE ASKED HER IF WE COULD BECAUSE IT APPLIED TO HER AND HER LEGAL QUESTION AND WE ASKED HER IF WE COULD SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL AND SHE DIDN'T ALLOW US TO SHARE IT. SO THAT'S THE TACK ON THAT. WHY THAT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? YOU DIDN'T SAY. I DON'T THINK I DON'T REMEMBER. I RESPONDED BACK AND SAID, NO, DON'T SHARE. I HAD BEEN FOLLOW UP AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT EVER HAPPENED, BECAUSE AT THE TIME I THINK YOU WANTED MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND THEN WE NEVER GOT A CLEAR A CLEAR DIRECTION. JUST SO COUNSEL WAS CLEAR, I NEVER RESPONDED AND SAID, NO, DON'T SHARE. THAT WAS NEVER THE CONVERSATION AGAIN. BECAUSE, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S A PRIVATE LEGAL OPINION. IF THAT IF YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU SAY IT DIDN'T. BUT IF THAT HAPPENED, THAT'S A PRIVATE LEGAL OPINION. IF YOU WANT A PRIVATE LEGAL OPINION, GO HIRE A LAWYER OR NOT USE THE CITY'S LAWYER. RIGHT? YEAH, BUT THE TOPIC WAS CITY BIZ WAS RIGHT. SO IF IT'S CITY BUSINESS, THEN THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE RELEVANT. THEN THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ALL KNOW BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL LAWYER FOR OUR CITY BUSINESS. WE HAVE A CITY LAWYER TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, AND WE ARE ONE COUNCIL, NOT SEVEN MEMBERS WITH OUR OWN AGENDAS. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE THESE ITEMS. EVERYBODY GETS NERVOUS WHEN IT'S ON. THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, I WASN'T NERVOUS. WELL, I LEARNED SOME STUFF IS THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT WAS THERE WAS NOT A CLEAR INDICATION THAT COUNCILMEMBER KINSEY HAD LEFT HER RESIDENCE AT THE TIME. SHE ASKED US AND SHE ONLY ASKING ABOUT WHEN IT IS THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE ELECTION. SO IT WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN. AND WHEN I SAID THE WORDS DON'T SHARE, THAT'S PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE ME, BECAUSE I'M SUCH A FACTUAL PERSON. BUT I THINK SHE WANTED MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE IT GOT SHARED WITH COUNCIL. BUT WE'LL TOMORROW I'LL HAVE BEEN SEND IT OUT SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT IT WAS. AND I WOULD JUST SAY GOING FORWARD, ANY TIME SOMEONE ASK A LEGAL QUESTION, I'M NOT. SO YOU GOT TO HAVE A MEMO BUT SHARE THE ANSWER. BECAUSE AGAIN, TO ME THAT'S COMMUNICATION. AND SO YOU START SEEING SOMETHING. BUT AGAIN, TO WHAT CUSTOMER THOUGHT AND SAID, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A RESIDENCY DEFINITION WAS UNTIL THIS WEEK. YEAH. AND I DON'T WE DIDN'T YOU ONCE YOU SAY IT, IT REALLY JUST WENT TO THE SPECIAL ELECTION AND THOSE DATES AND STUFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT WAS JUST KIND OF UNIQUE TO HER. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GOT A DIFFERENT TOPIC. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT. IT IS GOING TO BE ON THE UNIFORM ELECTION DAY AS TO NOT CREATE CONFUSION FOR THE VOTERS WHO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH EARLY VOTING AND SELECTING A BALLOT AND THEN HAVING TO RE GO BACK TO THE LINE AND GO VOTE. [04:45:02] YEAH, LIKE YOU JUST CONFUSION. SO I MEAN, I APPRECIATE IT FROM MY PREDECESSOR AS WELL BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO RUN FOR THIS SEAT AT THE GENERAL ELECTION AS WELL. SO THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. AND SAVING DOLLARS AS WELL. WELL, YOURS THE DIFFERENCE IS YOURS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GENERAL ELECTION REGARDLESS BECAUSE HE WAS UP FOR ELECTION, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A WHOLLY DIFFERENT EVEN TRUE. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RELEASE ALL LEGAL AMENDMENTS, ALL LEGAL MEMOS PERTAINING TO THIS SUBJECT. I THINK THERE'S BEEN THREE OF THEM THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OR TWO EMAILS. ONE HAD SOME AG OPINIONS. AND THEN THIS THIRD ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS OUT THERE. SECOND. SO YOU'RE SAYING AT LEAST TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? MM HMM. YEAH. YEAH. JUST KEY TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO. BUT WE'LL RELEASE THEM ALL. YEAH. ANYTHING PERTAINING TO ITEM 12 SEVEN? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN. WE WARNED BEN. WE RELEASED MEMOS. THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE'LL GO OVER ITEMS NINE ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020 [13. EXECUTIVE SESSION] 3-001 APPROVING PROJECT NQ TO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TYPE B AND A DASH S 64 CR 119 DASH HIGHWAY 79 LP A TEXAS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP IN SUPPORT OF THE TOWN WEST COMMONS COMMERCIAL FACILITIES PROVIDING FOR A CITY OF HUTTO FUNDING AGREEMENT, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ITEM NINE TWO SORRY, DO YOU HAVE TO DO WE HAVE TO LIST THE SPECIFIC? SO WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE ONES FROM. YEAH. SO HE JUST READ THE FIRST ONE, BUT HE DIDN'T SAY 551074 ALONG WITH IT, RIGHT? YEAH. PURSUANT TO 551. WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE. 074 FOR THIS ONE. BECAUSE ZERO SEVEN FOR DELIBERATIONS. REGARDING. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I WAS WRONG. I WAS WRONG. 087087. SORRY. BUT ACTUALLY, YOU COULD TAKE THEM UP BECAUSE WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE WRONG ONE. 414 FOR. YOU COULD TAKE THEM UP UNDER THERE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WITHIN ONE AND NINE TWO. 551087 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS. ITEM NINE TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVING PROJECT V AUTHORIZING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, TYPE B AND SE DROS CINEMAS HUTTO LLC IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF DESTINATION RETAIL IN HUTTO, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 380 SALES TAX GRANT FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS AND THE CORPORATION IN SUPPORT OF THE TOWN WEST COMMONS COMMERCIAL FACILITIES PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087. ITEM NINE SIX CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO ACCEPT THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT ON AN EXECUTED SEPARATION AGREEMENT WITH THE FORMER FORMER CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 55107 FOR DELIBERATIONS REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS, ITEM 13 ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE FOR THAT SEPARATION AGREEMENT. WOULD YOU ADD 551071 TO IT? SURE. AND PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 551071 LITIGATION CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY. AND IT'S REALLY NOT A551074. SO JUST MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. IT'S REALLY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE ON. OKAY, JUST FOR 551071, NOT 551074. CORRECT. SO I THINK I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING AND IT HAPPENS. ALL RIGHT. 13 ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS, PENDING LITIGATION, POTENTIAL LITIGATION, AND CITY COUNCIL LEGAL REQUESTS. ITEM 13 TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 RELATING TO THE SELECTION OF A LAW FIRM TO REPRESENT A CITY AND PERSONNEL MATTERS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO EMPLOYEE APPEALS. ITEM 13 THREE RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 RELATING TO CAUSE NUMBER 20 [04:50:07] 2-02592C368 CITY OF HUTTO, TEXAS COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND RIVER CREEK DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. PLAINTIFFS V MCGUINNESS LOCKRIDGE LLP. WILLIAM H. BINGHAM JR. AND MICHAEL SHAUGHNESSY. DEFENDANTS AND A 368 DISTRICT COURT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. ITEM 13 FOUR RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.087 AND 551072 REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. ITEM 13 FIVE PURSUANT TO 551071 LEGAL CONSULTATION 551072 REAL PROPERTY AND 551087 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO DELIBERATE AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING STRUCTURE AND FUNDING OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. REAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION BY THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. AND FINALLY, ITEM 13 SIX RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL ACQUISITIONS OF REAL ESTATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551071 AND 551072 RELATED TO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AT FM 1660 AND LINEAR LOOP AND TIME IS 12 MIDNIGHT. EARLIER THAN I. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT'S 222. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. GET READY HERE. SO THAT BRINGS US UP TO ITEM 14 ONE. [14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] WAIT, WAIT. FIRST, CAN WE DO THE THREE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ITEM NINE ONE? SO CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 9.19.29.6 AS PRESENTED? YEAH. WE SHOULD ASK CONSENT, RIGHT? I THINK SO. OKAY. ADDENDUM TO THE CONSENT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK APPROVING 9192 AND NINE SIX IS PRESENTED. TO THE SECOND. SECOND. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. GORDON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. SUTTON. AYE. KINSEY. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. MOTION PASSES 7 0. BACK TO 14 ONE WAS THERE ANYTHING ON 14 ONE? NO NECESSARY. 14 TWO. THINK YOU HAVE THAT ONE. THAT WAS YOURS. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S FOR THE. YEAH. MARA, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENGAGE LLOYD GOSLING, LAW FIRM FOR PERSONAL PERSONNEL MATTERS AND PAYABLE FROM FUNDS BUDGETED FOR LEGAL SERVICES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 10,000. AND IT'S GOING TO COME FROM BUDGETED FUNDS AND LEGAL SERVICES. LEGAL SERVICES. BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SECONDED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY AYE. TEM GORDON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE.. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. MOTION PASS THE SEVEN ZERO. I SHOULD BE. SHOULD I BE READING THESE? UM. YES. I NEED TO GO BACK AND READ THAT ONE. ARE WE OKAY? I THINK YOU'RE OKAY. SO ITEM 14 THREE DISCUSSING POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY ON THIS ONE. THERE'S NO ACTION ON 14 THREE. 2014 FOR CONSIDERATION. POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551071 AND DELIBERATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551087 AND 551072 REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATING RELATED TO PENDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. THERE'S NO ACTION ON ANY ACTION. THERE'S NO ACTION. SO IT'S THE OTHER ONE. 14 FIVE. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO BOTH ACQUIRE FUNDS AND EXPEND FUNDS [04:55:09] TO ACQUIRE REAL ESTATE IN CERTAIN REAL ESTATE CONTRACTS CURRENTLY OWNED BY COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. APPROVING A FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO PROVIDE FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 380002B AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS AND EXECUTE THE FUNDING AGREEMENT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO BOTH ACQUIRE FUNDS AND EXPEND FUNDS. TO ACQUIRE REAL ESTATE AND CERTAIN REAL ESTATE CONTRACTS CURRENTLY OWNED BY CONTENT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. APPROVING A FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO PROVIDE FOR AN ECONOMIC. PROGRAM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, SECTION 380. 002B AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS AND EXECUTE THE FUNDING AGREEMENT UP TO $6 MILLION AS LONG AS THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION FUNDS THE BALANCE OF THE ACQUISITION COSTS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. NAY. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON, AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. NAY. MOTION PASSES FIVE TWO. NEXT ITEM 14 SIX CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO LEGAL ADVICE RECEIVED AND DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL ACQUISITIONS OF REAL ESTATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS. 551.071551072. RELATED TO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AT FM 1660 AND LINEAR LOOP. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AT FM 1660 AND LINEAR LOOP, INCLUDING A POSSESSION AND USE AGREEMENT WITHIN THE LIMITS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION HEARING? NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSEY. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE. QUESTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO IN OUR BUSINESS. ANY OTHER BUSINESS HEARING THEN WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 2:28 A.M. ON JANUARY SIX. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.