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[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 19TH, 2023 TO ORDER, START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON.[3.1. Presentation of Alternate Delivery Options for expansion of the South Wastewater Treatment Plant (WWTP) by Garver]
PRESENTATION OF ALTERNATE DELIVERY OPTIONS FOR EXPANSION OF THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.ALL RIGHT, UH, MAYOR COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
UH, THE CONTEXT OF THIS IS, UH, AN, AN ITEM THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA LATER TONIGHT.
INITIATING DESIGN ON THE SOUTHWEST WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AS I'VE SPOKEN WITH YOU ABOUT CERTAIN, SORRY, THIS IS THE HIGHEST PROFILE LEVEL ONE PRIORITY FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, UH, IS TO GET EXPANSION UNDERWAY AT THAT PLANT TO CAPTURE THE GROWTH THAT WE SEE COMING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEAR WINDOW.
UM, PART OF THAT IS DELIVERING THE PROJECT IN A, A TIMELY WAY AND A WAY THAT MANAGES RISK, UH, TO, TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE CITY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE DELIVERY METHOD THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A HARD BID PROCESS THAT, UH, BUYS THE CITY OF SOME SECURITY AND, AND COST CERTAINTY AND HAS SOME OTHER ADVANTAGES THAT I'LL GO THROUGH IN THIS PRESENTATION.
YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT TO COVER WITH THE PCI PRESENTATION, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT PLEASE STOP YOU IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL AND LABOR MARKET VOLATILITY IS STILL A REALITY FOR CENTRAL TEXAS CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF REGIONAL GROWTH DRIVEN BY BOTH MUNICIPAL PROJECTS AND, UH, LOCAL INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, UH, THAT HAS LED TO BACKUPS IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN THAT WELL REALLY SUPPLY CHAIN BACKUPS HAVE CLASHED WITH THAT DEMAND TO DRIVE UP MATERIAL COSTS A LOT.
AND THE MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITIES, LIKE THE CITY OF HU, ARE COMPETING FOR THE SAME, UH, BOTH SKILLED AND UNSATED UNSKILLED LABOR POOLS THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND LARGE INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS ARE COMPETING FOR IN THE CON CONDUCT IN THE CONSTRUCTION SECTOR.
SO, AS THAT LEADS TO, UH, SOME OF THE VOLATILITY AND PRICES THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THESE, UH, ENR CONSTRUCTION, INDS SOURCED FROM THE CONSUMER PRICE, UH, INDEX, UH, WHICH IS PUBLISHED BY THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO COSTS ARE VERY HIGH AND MOST, MOST IMPORTANTLY, VERY UNPREDICTABLE.
UM, SO WHAT COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY MEANS IS THAT IT, IT ENGAGES CONTRACTORS EARLY IN THE PROJECT TO INFORM, UH, THE DESIGN AND THE BIDDING PROCESS.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A HARD BID PROCESS WHERE YOU BRING ON A CONTRACTOR, ACTUALLY DURING THE DESIGN PHASE, THAT CONTRACTOR KNOWS THE MARKET, THEY KNOW THE LABOR AVAILABILITY, THEY KNOW WHAT OTHER BIG PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING IN THE REGION, UH, AND THEY KNOW HOW TO BUILD A PROJECT.
THEY CAN SIT DOWN WITH YOU AS THE DESIGNER AND AT THE TABLE AND HELP INFORM THOSE DESIGN DECISIONS THEY MADE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THEN THEY, AS A CONTRACTOR, ACT ALMOST IN A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CAPACITY TO HELP OVERSEE THE BIDDING PROCESS.
SO, UH, IT'S A QUALIFICATIONS BASED SELECTION OF THE CONTRACTOR EARLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE.
UM, THE, IT PROVIDES THE ABILITY FOR THE OWNER TO TRANSFER YOUR RISK THROUGH COST ASSURANCE.
UH, GMP STANDS FOR GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY EACH OF THOSE DESIGN PHASE.
THE CONTRACTOR DOES THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY THINK THE COST WILL BE AT THAT POINT.
THEY PUT TOGETHER THE GMP AND THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO LOCK IN THAT PRICE AND KNOW THAT, THAT EVEN AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH DESIGN, THAT'S THE PRICE THAT I'M GONNA PAY FOR THIS PLANT AND IT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE.
THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE AT RISK PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PIECE COMES FROM.
AND SO, UM, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN IT BECOMES THE CONTRACTOR'S RESPONSIBILITY AT THAT POINT TO MAINTAIN THAT COST AND MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS THERE, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S, IT'S THEIR SKIN IN THE GAME.
UM, A CONSTRUCT, A CONTRACTOR WILL PROVIDE PRE-CONSTRUCTION FOR SERVICES.
THEY'LL LOOK AT DESIGN AND SCHEDULE OPTIMIZATION.
THEY'LL PERFORM CONSTRUCTIVE CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEWS, UH, EARLY MO O COORDINATION THAT STANDS FOR MAINTENANCE OF OPERATIONS, UH, MAINTENANCE OF PLANT OPERATIONS, A OPO, AND HELP DEFINE SOME THE UNKNOWNS.
UM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CM R HELPS MANAGE THE TIMING AND STRATEGY BEHIND BIDDING BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE MARKET AS A CONTRACTOR.
THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, DELIVERY METHODS, UH, THAT ARE GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE 2269.
UH, DESIGN BID BUILD IS THE MOST TRADITIONAL THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
CMAR IS, UH, THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS COLLABORATIVE DELIVERY.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, YOU, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAVE PROBABLY HEARD OF, LIKE DESIGN BILL AND PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BILL.
SO FOCUSING IN ON SMAR, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE PURSUE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE SOUTH PLANT, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE SEPARATE CONTRACTS WITH, WITH THE ENGINEER AND WITH THE CONTRACTOR, AND THAT THAT TRIAD WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO DESIGN PROCESS TO, TO OPTIMIZE THE PROJECT.
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UH, DESIGN IS PERFORMED IN PARALLEL WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANNING AND ESTIMATING.SO THERE'S, THE CONTRACTOR IS, IS CONSTANTLY PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THAT DESIGN.
AND THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS UPON MUTUAL CONTRACT PRICE AGREEMENT.
SO ONCE YOU GET A PRICE THAT YOU, LIKE, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT ACTUALLY BEGINS.
WE LOCK IN THAT, THAT, UM, THAT GMP THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.
THAT'S BASICALLY LIKE YOUR BID.
SO THIS IS ALL RATHER THAN DESIGNING THE WHOLE THING TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THEN GOING AFTER BID AND THEN BEING SURPRISED ON BID DAY AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT COMES TO, SO, UM, RULES ARE GOVERNED BY TEXAS STATE LAW.
UM, UH, WE ARE ALLOWED TO USE A ONE OR TWO-STEP PROCESS.
WE LIKE THE TWO-STEP PROCESS WHERE YOU FIRST PRE-QUALIFY A LIST OF CONTRACTORS THROUGH AN RFQ.
IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE AN ENGINEERING RFQ THAT GOES OUT ON THE STREETS TO SELECT AN ENGINEER.
AND THEN WE, UH, GO THROUGH, ONCE WE HAVE A PRE-SELECTED LIST, WE ISSUE AN RFP REQUEST, REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, AND THEY PROVIDE THEIR PRICING INFORMATION AND THEN YOU MAKE A FINAL SELECTION.
THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON SELF PERFORMANCE.
WE LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY DO PUT SOME KIND OF CAP ON SELF PERFORMANCE JUST TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SOME SKIN IN THE GAME ON THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER'S SIDE.
AND T W DB IS, IS IS OPEN TO FINANCING THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS WITH LOW INTEREST LEVELS.
UH, C A CAN ACCELERATE SCHEDULE BY IDENTIFYING EARLY PROCUREMENT ITEMS, ADDING COST CERTAINTY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS SORT OF THE TRADI, SORT OF THE TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID BUILD SCHEDULE, UH, CONCEPTUAL SCHEDULE FOR THE SOUTH PLANT SPECIFICALLY.
WE'RE SHOWING DESIGN KICKING OFF HERE IN JANUARY, MOVING THROUGH FINAL DESIGN PERMITTING, REGULATORY REVIEW, BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION.
I'VE GOT THAT KIND OF THE ARROW OUT TO THE RIGHT.
UM, AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ORANGE BOX THERE IS, THAT'S THE BID DATE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU OPEN THOSE BIDS AND SEE, AND, AND EVERYBODY KIND OF GETS, YOU KNOW, HOLDS THEIR BREATH AND CROSSES THEIR FINGERS AND GETS THAT BID IN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH.
SO, SO RATHER THAN HAVING THAT SURPRISE THERE, WE BRING THAT CONTRACTOR ON BOARD EARLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.
SO WE WOULD START PROCURING THEM, UH, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY HAVE THEM COME ON BOARD RIGHT AROUND THE TIME WE'RE FINISHING THAT 30% DESIGN PACKAGE, WHICH WE'RE CONSIDERING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THEN THEY WOULD BE WITH US THE ENTIRE WAY THROUGH FINAL DESIGN, UH, ISSUING THOSE GMPS AT, AT 30, 60 AND AND A HUNDRED PERCENT PLAN SET.
AND THEN WHENEVER THE CITY, UH, ELECTS TO TAKE THE O OPTION TO, TO LOCK IN THAT GMP, ESTABLISH THAT CONTRACT PRICE, WE'LL KNOW IT SOMETIME BACK IN DURING THE DESIGN PHASE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE DESIGN IS SPENT.
THAT CONTRACTOR GOES TO WORK PACKAGING OUT THOSE BIDS, YOU KNOW, OPTIMIZING WHAT SUPPLIERS, YOU KNOW, CAN PROVIDE WHICH PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, UH, MANAGING LONG LEADS, TIME ITEMS. YOU MENTIONED ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT EARLIER, THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.
TRANSFORMERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, MAKING SURE THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE PROCUREMENTS GO OUT EARLY.
SO WE GET THOSE PIECES IN ON TIME TO MANAGE RISK OUT HERE IN CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS CHART IS REALLY SHOWING THE DIFFERENCE IS I'M SHOWING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANCED IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THAT SEPARATE BIDDING PHASE.
WHAT THIS ISN'T SHOWING HERE IS THAT THIS ARROW RIGHT HERE ON THE END, THE LENGTH OF THAT ARROW REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW FAR AHEAD OF THE GAME WE GET WITH ORDERING THIS EQUIPMENT AND, AND, AND HAVING THAT CONTRACTOR READY TO GO.
HOW DO WE GET STARTED WITH COLLABORATIVE DUAL DELIVERY FOR THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN? UM, FIRST THE, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT WE, WE DEVELOP AND ADVERTISE THE RFQ.
THAT'S STEP ONE FOR THE C A CONTRACTORS IN PARALLEL WITH THE 30% DESIGN.
SO WE'RE STARTING 30% DESIGN IN PARALLEL TO THAT.
WE ADVERTISE FOR THAT CM A R UH, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALL THE BIG NAMES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO, TO HEAR ABOUT IN, IN, IN PLANT PROJECTS.
THE, THE CONTRACTORS THAT CAN BUILD THESE SOPHISTICATED PLANTS ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD ALSO COME OUT FOR C R.
IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE THING CUZ UH, IT, IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO, TO MAN MANAGE AND BALANCE THEIR RISK TOO.
UM, SO AFTER WE, UH, IN, IN PARALLEL WITH THAT PROCUREMENT PROCESS, WE WOULD WANT TO PREPARE THE, THE CONTRACTS LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR CMAR.
YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DONE A CMAR PROJECT BEFORE, SO WE WOULD WANNA WORK WITH THE LEGAL, UH, YOUR, YOUR COUNCIL TO DEVELOP THOSE CONTRACTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AIRTIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INDUSTRY STANDARDS THAT WE CAN USE AS A STARTING POINT FOR THOSE.
BUT, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE ENGINEER SUPPORTS THE CITY AND INTERVIEWING AND SELECTING THAT CM A R, MAKING SURE WE GET A GOOD, GOOD ONE ON BOARD.
THEY ENTER INTO A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND BEGIN, UH, PROVIDING THEIR PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AT 30% THROUGH FINAL DESIGN.
AND THAT'S, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS KIND OF A PRIMER ON WHAT SM R IS UNTIL YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING MORE ABOUT IT.
UM, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SOUTH PLANT AND IT'S A GREAT OPTION FOR LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE CURRENT BIDDING ENVIRONMENT.
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VERY, UH, DIFFICULT TO PREDICT.AND, UM, THE BEST PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, AT THE TABLE FOR THAT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE BIDDING AT THOSE JOBS DAY IN, DAY OUT.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF MY TALK.
ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS, GETTING THINGS MOVING FASTER, IS THERE A MONETARY INCENTIVE FOR DOING THAT AS WE BLOCK A PRICING OR ANYTHING ELSE? SINCE THEY'RE BRINGING A ON AT 30%, 60 AND 90, IS THERE ANY MONETARY INCENTIVE FOR THE CITY? THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVE IS MORE IN THE PRICE CERTAINTY.
I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU THAT'S GONNA BE ANY CHEAPER.
UM, IT WILL HELP BREAK SOME OF THE, THE PACKAGING OF BIDS THAT CAN OCCUR WHEN CONTRACTORS ARE RUSHED IN A 30 OR 45 DAY WINDOW TO PUT A BID PACKAGE TOGETHER.
AND SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND SOME EFFICIENCIES THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING CONSTRUCTABILITY FEEDBACK DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS SO WE CAN FIND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF UNREALIZED SAVINGS.
BUT, UM, YOU ARE PAYING ANOTHER ENTITY TO, TO BE AT THE TABLE DURING DESIGN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FEE FOR THEM.
AND, UH, BUT THE, THE PRICE CERTAINTY IS HUGE BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS YOU, YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST.
SO YOU'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR ONE THING AND THEN FINDING OUT A BID DATA.
IT'S 40% MORE AND THEN, AND THEN SCRAMBLING TO TRY TO FIND FINANCING AND MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU'RE AT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE, YOU GET YOUR LOANS IN PLACE, FINANCING LOCKED IN, AND THEN YOU'RE READY TO GO OUT THE GATES FOR CONSTRUCTION.
IS THAT A GUARANTEE IN TERMS OF, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S LOCKED IN AT THAT POINT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE AND AS CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO UP AND YOU'RE WAITING THAT EXTRA TIME, IS THAT MONEY THAT WE'VE BLOCKED IN THAT WE'VE BUDGETED? IS THAT A GUARANTEE? THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT, THAT'S THE AT RISK PART.
AND SO THEY, IN 30% DESIGN, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, UNKNOWNS DECREASE OVER THE DESIGN PHASE.
SO YOUR, YOUR GMP AT 30% IS GONNA HAVE SOME FLUFF IN IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO COVER THEMSELVES FOR UNKNOWNS.
AS YOU WORK WITH THEM THROUGH DESIGN, IDENTIFY COST SAVINGS, THAT BEGINS TO TAPER DOWN TO WHAT THE REAL COST OF THE PROJECT IS AND THE CITY CAN ELECT TO LOCK THAT PRICE IN WHEN AT EACH OF THOSE MAJOR MILESTONE DELIVERABLES.
SO WE CAN'T AGREE TO LOCK THOSE IN AT THE MILESTONES.
IF WE COME BACK IN 30% AND YOU LIKE THE PRICE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE THAT.
UM, BUT, AND THEN THE, THE CONTRACTOR, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY, THAT'S MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.
BUT IF, IF COSTS ESCALATE, THEN THAT'S AT THEIR RISK A AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING AT THE CITY'S RISK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, DEAN, THANKS.
[3.2. Presentation and possible action of the draft Pavement Assessment and Management Plan by Roadway Asset Services (RAS)]
THREE, TWO PRESENTATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF THE DRAFT PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT AND MANAGEMENT PLAN BY ROADWAY ASSET SERVICES.MY NAME IS SCOTT GORDON, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ROADWAY ASSET SERVICES.
SO PAT, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING OR WAIT BEFORE WE START? UM, JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HIRED, UM, RS UH, IN THE FALL, I GUESS LATE SUMMER TO DO THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENTS.
SCOTT, HIS GROUP HAVE, UM, COLLECTED THE DATA.
THEY RUN SOME ANALYSIS AND WANT TO GO THROUGH THEIR DRAFT, UM, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT.
GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS COUNSEL ON, ON THOUGHTS GOING FORWARD.
SO SCOTT, YOU WANT OKAY, JUMP RIGHT IN.
HOW DO I ADVANCE BY YOU? DOES THIS ADVANCE THIS OR DO I NEED TO SET IT? YES, NO, YOU SHOULD BE FIRED.
IS THERE A WAY TO GET UP THERE? YES, THERE IS.
THAT WAY I WON'T BE TWISTING, UM, IN LITTLE TIME.
I'M GONNA GO, GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED HERE WITH THAT AS WE'RE SETTING THAT UP.
UM, WE ARE HIRED TO COME IN AND EVALUATE.
I'M WANT TO GIVE YOU KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF THE EQUIPMENT WE USE, SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE USE TO EVALUATE THE PAYMENTS.
NOW I WANT TO KIND OF GET QUICKLY TO SOME OF THE RESULTS SO WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO JUST SOME QUICK DEFINITIONS.
CENTERLINE MILES, THAT SEEMS OBVIOUS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE LENGTH OF THE ROADWAY.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY LANES WE HAVE.
UH, RESIDENTIAL FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, IT'S ALL MEASURED CENTERLINE MILES LENGTH.
YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY 143 CENTERLINE MILES IN HU THAT WE EVALUATED JUST SO WE CAN FIND THAT TEST MILES.
IF THAT GETS THROWN AROUND, UH, THAT'S HOW MANY MILES WE DROVE IN EVALUATING THE LANES.
SO IF IT'S A MULTI-LANE HIGHWAY, WE'RE GONNA DRIVE IT BOTH DIRECTIONS, SO THAT'LL BE DOUBLE THE CENTER LINE.
BUT MOST RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WE ONLY DRIVE ONE DIRECTION.
UM, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MILEAGE WE HAVE.
SO IF TEST MILES GETS THROWN OUT AND THEN IF THEY THROW OUT A LANE MILE, IT'S BASICALLY
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12 FEET WIDE BY 5,280 FEET IN LENGTH IS YOUR LANE MILE BY DEFINITION.UH, PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX, THE PCI VALUES, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, THAT IS THE STANDARDIZED VALUATION, UH, INDICES THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
UH, IT LOOKS AT PAVEMENT CRACKING DISTRESS TYPES EVALUATES THE SEVERITY OF THE DISTRESS AND DEDUCTS VALUES STARTING AT A HUNDRED AND GOES DOWN.
SO THE LOWER THE SCORE OF THE WORSE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION IS, UH, THAT'S THE SKIN SCALES SHOWING OVER THERE ON THE RIGHT IS BASICALLY WHAT A S T M 64 33 BREAKS DOWN AS FAR AS THE CATEGORIES OF THE PCI SCORE.
UH, IF WE THROW AROUND PRESERVATION, THAT'S BASICALLY A LIGHTWEIGHT COST, UH, OF MAINTENANCE TREATMENT.
IT CAN EXTEND THE SERVICE LIFE.
IT'S A VERY CHEAP OPTION, BASICALLY LIKE PAINTING YOUR HOUSE.
UH, IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO LAST A VERY LONG TIME, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, BUT IT CAN EXTEND THE LIFE OF IT AT A VERY CHEAP COST.
THERE'S SOME THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE S D M D 64 33 IS THE NATIONAL GUIDELINE STANDARDS.
THIS TELLS US HOW TO MEASURE, HOW TO EVALUATE, HOW TO CALCULATE THIS PCI SCORE.
OKAY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT AND THE THEORIES OF IT, BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE DETERIORATION OF THE ROADWAY OVER TIME.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THE Y SCALE IS THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY.
SO THAT'S OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION.
SO IF YOU WATCH THIS, UH, MAIN BLACK CURVE GOING DOWN THROUGH HERE, IF WE WERE TO LEAVE A ROAD ALONE AND NOT APPLY ANY MAINTENANCE, THAT'S THE TYPICAL DETERIORATION.
AND IN MOST NETWORKS, THIS TIMELINE'S GONNA BE ABOUT 40 YEARS.
THAT'S WHERE THAT ROAD'S GONNA START FALLING APART.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA WANT TO DRIVE DOWN IT CAUSE IT'S GONNA TEAR UP THEIR SUSPENSION IN THEIR VEHICLES.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A TYPICAL LIFE OF A CURVE.
THE THEORY IS IF YOU APPLY PRESERVATION UP TOP, YOU CAN DO IT MUCH CHEAPER AT AROUND $3 50 CENTS A SQUARE YARD FOR SURFACE SEALS OF MAINTENANCE THAT'LL LAST A LONG, A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
YOU CAN APPLY ADDITIONAL AT SOME POINT YOU MAY NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE AN OVERLAY OR A LITTLE BIT THICKER TYPE OF TREATMENT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE BOUNCING THE CONDITION ALONG AND YOU'RE EXTENDING THE SERVICE LIFE AT A CHEAPER COST.
IF YOU LET IT DETERIORATE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO RECONSTRUCTION OR MAJOR OVERLAYS, YOU'RE MORE LIKE $20 A SQUARE YARD.
SO IT'S AN EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER COST TO GET BACK UP TO THAT ORIGINAL CONDITION.
SO THE THEORY AND PAYMENT MANAGEMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON A LITTLE BIT LATER IS PRESERVATION.
EARLY ON CHIEF TREATMENTS, EXTENSIVE SERVICE LIFE IS A MUCH CHEAPER OPTION THAN LETTING IT FALL APART AND REACTING AND HAVING TO REBUILD IT.
OKAY, UH, THIS IS JUST QUICK ON SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT USED TO EVALUATE.
THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART EQUIPMENT THAT WE RUN.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT LASER CRACK MEASURING SYSTEM.
THIS IS LASERS POINTING DOWN ON THE PAVEMENT, GIVING US READINGS OF CRACK WIDTHS, DEPTH LINKS, UH, THAT ALLOWS US TO AUTOMATE THE MEASUREMENT, TAKE AWAY A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY.
THIS IS NOT PEOPLE OUT WITH OUR OPINION LOOKING AT THE ROAD.
WE'RE ACTUALLY MEASURING THE DISTRESSES AND RUNNING IT THROUGH THE CALCULATION.
WE ALSO GET IMAGERY FROM THIS, UH, TWO CAMERAS.
SO WE GET A STEREO IMAGERY AND THAT ALLOWS US TO VALIDATE.
WE CAN USE SOME AI TO PICK UP POTHOLES, PATCHING BRICK IN LAYS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY IN HOW WE EVALUATE THE INFORMATION COMING OUT OF THIS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL GPS ANTENNAS THAT GIVE US LOCATION.
WE'RE TRACKING IT WITH THE DMI AND WE HAVE AN INERTIAL MEASURING UNIT THAT TELLS US LOCATION THAT FURTHER REFINES SOME OF THE ACCURACY OF OUR LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE A 360 CAMERA ON TOP, WE CALL IT LADYBUG 360.
UH, THAT GIVES US BASICALLY FIVE IMAGES AROUND THE VAN.
WE UTILIZE THAT IF WE WANT TO EXTRACT ASSETS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
CURB AND GUTTER SIGNS, SIDEWALKS, ADA RAMPS, STRIPING, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO WE CAN COME THROUGH AND EXTRACT SOME OF THAT.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THE BASE, BUT YOU'VE GOT THAT IMAGERY NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT INFORMATION IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AT A LATER TIME, WE CAN EXTRACT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
WE'VE ALSO GOT A PROFILER UP FRONT THAT'S MEASURING RU DEPTHS AND THAT'S ALSO GIVEN US A RIDE QUALITY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL ROUGHNESS INDEX NUMBER IN THE DATABASE THAT WILL TELL YOU THE SMOOTHNESS OF THE RIDE QUALITY OF THAT ROAD.
UH, IT'S SOMEWHAT RELATIVE BECAUSE WHEN YOU SLOW IT DOWN IN SLOWER SPEEDS, THOSE NUMBERS CAN JUMP AROUND QUITE A BIT.
UH, WE HAVE OUR OWN PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE THAT WE EVALUATE WITH, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A QC SCREEN THAT WE USE TO CHECK ALL THE DISTRESSES WE MEASURED.
I HAVE ENGINEERS GOING THROUGH EVALUATING THIS.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT DISPLAYS RUTTING WIDER.
THAT THAT LADDER IS IF YOU WILL, THE DEEPER THE RIGHT.
SO IT'S EASY TO VISUALIZE AND CHECK THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT THE SENSORS.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS VIEWED FROM THAT LADYBUG CAMERA UP FRONT.
THAT IS BASICALLY THE DRIVER'S PERSPECTIVE.
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SO THAT'S HOW, HOW WE CAN LOOK AND SEE THE STRESS HERE AND ARE WE PICKING UP HERE WITH OUR LASERS.SO THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THE QC PROCESS OF HOW WE GO THROUGH AND CHECK ACCURACY.
ANOTHER LEVEL WAS I CAME IN AND VISITED UH, LATE THIS SUMMER AND, AND WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE ROADWAYS TO SEE UH, WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IN THE ROAD, UH, ALLOWS ME TO KIND OF DO A QC WALK WITH YOUR STAFF.
YOUR GENTLEMAN OVER HERE WENT WITH THE ROAD WITH ME AND WE LOOKED AT THE MEASUREMENTS.
WAS IT MATCHING UP? WERE THEY THINGS WE NEEDED TO GO BACK IN AND MODIFY AND HOW WE WERE LOOKING AT SENSITIVITY OF SOME OF THE DISTRESSES ALLOWS US TO CORRECT SOME THINGS BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE, YOUR OVERALL NETWORK.
AND THEN WE CAN ALSO KIND OF DOUBLE CHECK SOME OF YOUR HISTORICAL MEASUREMENTS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE, WE GATHERED QUALITY OF WHAT WE PUT INTO IT AND HOW WE CHECK IT.
NOW LET'S LOOK AT SOME RESULTS.
SO IF WE LOOK AT HOW WE MEASURE THIS OUT, BASED ON THE CATEGORIES THAT THE UH A S T M GIVES US, YOU CAN SEE THE GOOD CATEGORY.
THIS PERCENTAGE NUMBER IS BASED ON YOUR TOTAL AREA.
SO A FOUR-LANE ROAD A MILE LENGTH IS GONNA BE A BIGGER AREA THAN A RESIDENTIAL STREET FOR THE SAME LENGTH.
OKAY, SO THIS CALCULATION PERCENTAGE WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS PERCENT OF YOUR PAVEMENT SURFACE.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOME GREAT NUMBERS RIGHT HERE.
YOUR AVERAGE PCI IS 81, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS TYPICALLY AROUND 60 TO 65.
UH, PROBABLY WHAT I'M SEEING IN MOST TOWNS YOUR SIZE IN TEXAS WE'RE UP AROUND 70, 80 ONE'S PRETTY RARE.
YOU GUYS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
COUPLE THINGS THIS IS TELLING ME JUST QUICKLY LOOKING AT THIS, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NEWER ROADS THAT ARE RANKED UP PRETTY GOOD CONDITION.
SO THAT'S THING TO LOOK FOR IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL GET INTO THAT WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD PAVEMENT IN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF.
UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME ROADS WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF HERE.
THIS IS TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET PAST THE VERY POOR TYPICALLY INTO UH, RECONSTRUCTION OR MAJOR OVERLAYS.
WE CALL THAT BACKLOG BASICALLY BELOW THIS.
THIS IS GONNA TAKE A LOT OF C I P MONEY TO REBUILD YOUR ROAD.
UH, WE LOOK AT THAT AS KIND OF BACKLOGS THAT MAY NOT BE IN YOUR TYPICAL MAINTENANCE UH, BUDGET, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF.
YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY LOW NUMBERS.
USUALLY WE'RE LOOKING HEALTHY TO BE LESS THAN 10%.
SO YOU'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THERE.
UH, SO ALL IN ALL THIS ONE JUST TO KINDA SHOW THE MILEAGE, SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO PICTURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT YOU'VE GOT 62 MILES AND, AND GOOD UH, PRETTY MUCH 60 MILES IN SATISFACTORY.
SO OUT THOSE 143 MILES GOT A MAJORITY OF YOURS IN, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE THERE AS IT SHOWS GRAPHICALLY.
NOW WHEN WE LOOK IN THE MAPS, THESE ARE THE MAPS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, WE CAN PLOT OUT THE CONDITION INDEX OF EACH STREET COLOR CODE IT BASED UPON THE LEGEND UP HERE OF THIS GOOD, VERY GOOD FAIRPORT, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO YOU CAN SEE OVERALL, SO PROBABLY NOT TOO SURPRISING, MOST OF THE REDS FALLING DOWN IN, IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE YEAR, WHICH I SUSPECT IS THE OLDER PART OF TOWN.
UH, PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN LONGER.
UM, WE DID BREAK THIS DOWN AND THIS IS ALL A DATABASE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO YOUR STAFF.
UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA PRODUCE A FINAL REPORT WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH ALL OF THIS AND HERE IN SHORT TERM.
BUT THIS GIVES YOU THE MILEAGE BREAKDOWN HAS SHOWED IN THE GRAPH AND ALSO PERCENT OF THOSE MILES AND HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN.
THAT PERCENTAGE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE WITH THE AREAS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE, WE CAN DIVE DOWN INTO, UH, THE DATABASE IN YOUR GIS AND LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL ROAD SEGMENTS AND SEE WHAT THE EACH INDIVIDUAL SCORE IS.
ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE COLOR CODING.
SO A LOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION TO GO IN THERE AND START LOOKING AT HOW DO WE RANK THE ROADS.
NOW WHEN WE START GETTING INTO TO MAINTENANCE AND REHAB PLAN OPTIONS, WE BASICALLY MET WITH YOUR STAFF, WENT THROUGH WHAT OPTIONS WERE AVAILABLE.
THESE ARE THE BASIC MAINTENANCE THINGS OF CRACK SEAL, MICRO TWO INCH OVERLAY.
AND THEN, THEN YOU GET INTO A FULL UH, REBUILD.
AND SO WE BUILT THE TABLE BASICALLY LOOKING AT THESE TYPES OF OPTIONS WITH SOME PATCHING ISOLATED REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND WE ASSIGN IT TO A PCI RANGE OF WHERE THAT TREATMENT WOULD BE APPLIED.
WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOPED AN ASSOCIATED COST BASED UPON SOME BID NUMBERS THAT YOUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US.
AND WE WENT THROUGH AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS WERE GETTING FROM BIDS, UH, FOR THE VARIOUS TREATMENTS.
THAT UNIT COST IN THE MODELS THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IS APPLIED TO THE OVERALL AREA OF EACH SEGMENT.
THAT'S HOW WE GET THE COST OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT IMPACT POINTS, WHICH IS HOW MUCH ARE WE GONNA IMPROVE THAT ROADWAY WITH
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PARTICULAR MAINTENANCE.SOME OF THESE PREVENTIVE METHODS AS YOU SEE ONLY IS GONNA IMPROVE THAT PCI OF 10 20 POINTS YOU GET DOWN HERE WHERE YOU'RE DOING STRUCTURAL REPAIRS.
WHEN IT SAYS FIXED, THAT MEANS IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO 95 NO MATTER WHAT THE PREVIOUS CONDITION WAS ON SOME OF THE PRESERVATION, DEPENDING ON THE PREVIOUS CONDITION, IT MAY ONLY IMPROVE 10 OR 20 POINTS.
SO THAT WAS THE BASIS OF SETTING UP THE MODELS.
WHEN WE GET INTO RUNNING PRIORITIZATION, I KIND OF WANTED TO DEFINE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
HOW DO WE PICK PARTICULAR ROADS? YOU CAN DO A BASE PRIORITIZATION WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT EITHER I'M PICKING THE WORST ROADS AND I'M GONNA START TREATING THOSE OR I'M LOOKING AT THE REALLY GOOD ROADS AND I WANNA DO PRESERVATION ON THEM.
THERE'S ALWAYS METHODS OF GOING THROUGH A PRIORITIZATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO REALLY BREAK THIS DOWN AND DEVELOP.
WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS, IS WHAT WE CALL THE FINANCIAL OPTIMIZATION WHERE WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE YOUR BUDGET.
AND THAT MEANS WE MAY NOT BE PICKING THE WORST ROADS FIRST AND THAT'S VERY HARD FOR SOME RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ROAD IS FALLING APART, WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING IT? CUZ IT MAKES MORE FINANCIAL SENSE TO GO TAKE CARE OF ALL THESE THAT ARE IN BETTER SHAPE BEFORE THEY DETERIORATE.
THIS IS A BACKLOG, WE'LL COME BACK AND GET TO IT, BUT IT'S NOT CRITICAL RIGHT NOW.
AND I'LL ILLUSTRATE THAT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN PRIORITIZE ON.
PCI CONDITION OF THE ROAD IS THE NUMBER ONE THAT WE'RE USING IN AS MODELING.
WE CAN ALSO BREAK IT DOWN BASED ON CLASSIFICATION OF THE ROAD.
MOST OF YOUR ROADS ARE ASPHALT.
SO REALLY THE TYPE DOESN'T CHANGE.
WE COULD LOOK AT STRENGTH THE ROAD BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE SUBGRADE IS DOING.
YOU SUBGRADE HERE IS FAIRLY UNIFORM SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE THERE.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY FOCUS ON IS HOW DO WE LOOK AT AND CLASSIFY ROADS AS BEING CRITICAL.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW WE BREAK THAT DOWN.
WE CALL IT NEEDIER ANALYSIS, BUT IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT'S MOST CRITICAL AND WHERE WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
SO I SHOWED YOU THE TABLE A FEW MINUTES AGO OF HOW WE ASSIGN UNIT COST TO EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES.
SO THIS IS CRACK CEILING, IT'S A DOLLAR SQUARE YARD.
THIS IS SOME FORM OF SURFACE SEAL THAT'S $4 SQUARE YARD.
THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO MICRO SEALS, $7 INTO OVERLAYS AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO BIG RECONSTRUCTION DOLLARS HERE.
SO WE ASSIGN IT BASED ON THAT CATEGORY.
BUT LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, I CAN THEN LOOK AT WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENCE IF I WERE TO LET A ROAD IN THIS CATEGORY SLIP TO THE NEXT CATEGORY.
SO YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW WE START PRIORITIZING BASED ON THE FACT THAT I'M GONNA LOOK AT CRITICAL ROADS, WHICH ARE IN THE GOLD BARS, MEANING IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO THEY'RE GONNA DETERIORATE TO THAT NEXT WORST LEVEL AND WE'RE GONNA ABSORB THAT DELTA COST.
SO THEN YOU CAN START PRIORITIZING WHICH ROADS WE NEED TO LOOK AT FIRST.
SO THE FIRST PRIORITY WOULD BE THE ONES IN THIS GOLD BAR UNDER VERY POOR BECAUSE IF I DON'T TREAT THOSE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, IT'S GONNA COST ME 32 PLUS 48 TO DO THE TREATMENT.
OKAY? SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S FIRST, SECOND, THIRD PRIORITY.
SO THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH PRIORITIES ARE UP HERE IN THE PRESERVATION MODE WHERE IF WE LET THOSE GO, IT'S GONNA COST US THIS ADDITIONAL DELTA TO TREAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE MODEL IS SET UP TO GO THROUGH AND PICK ROADS OF HOW WE WANT TO TREAT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE MAXIMIZING THE MONEY THAT'S SPENT.
ANOTHER QUICK EXAMPLE, UH, THIS ROAD WAS IN UH, 71.
THESE ARE NOT YOUR ROADS, THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES, BUT THIS WAS A 71.
IN OUR SITUATION OF THE MODEL, IT WOULD REQUIRE SURFACE SEAL AT $5 A YARD.
UH, IT IS AT THE LOWER END OF THAT SCALE.
SO IF I CAN GO BACK HERE, 71, I'M IN THIS GOLD AREA.
SO IT IS PRIORITY NUMBER FOUR IN THIS SITUATION.
UH, SO IT, IT'S A FOURTH HIGHEST PRIORITY IN THIS EXAMPLE CUZ IT WOULD FALL.
THIS ONE'S A 48 LOOKS MUCH WORSE.
WORSE CONDITION NEEDS A MILLIN OVERLAY OF $26 A YARD.
BUT AT 48 IT SITS HIGHER UP IN THE SCALE WITH THE OWN.
SO IT'S NOT AS CRITICAL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SITS UP IN THE MID-RANGE OF THIS CATEGORY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO ONCE IT GETS DOWN A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND BECOMES CRITICAL, IT'LL BE SECOND HIGHEST PARTY.
IT'S JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS ROAD LOOKS MUCH WORSE THAN THIS ONE.
BUT THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICAL WHERE IT SITS IN THE SCALE OF DETERIORATION AND FALLING TO A WORSE CONDITION.
SO WHEN WE SET UP THE MODELS AND START RUNNING THOSE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER BUDGET AMOUNTS.
YOUR STAFF KIND OF THREW OUT, THERE'S A PRELIMINARY BUDGET OF ABOUT 500,000 THAT SOMEBODY'S KIND OF THROWN OUT THERE.
WE WANTED TO SEE IF THAT'S REALISTIC OR HOW THAT FITS IN HERE.
SO WE BUILT IN A COUPLE MODELS RANGING FROM 300 UP TO ONE AND A HALF MILLION A YEAR OF SENDING BUDGET.
SO THE LOWER BLUE LINE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOUNDS OF THIS, IS DO NOTHING SCENARIO.
WE DON'T GO OUT AND SPEND ANY MONEY, WE DON'T TOUCH ANY ROADS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE GONNA GO FROM AN 81 DOWN
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BELOW TO A LOW 70.IT'S GONNA DETERIORATE PRETTY QUICKLY.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY WE HAVE AND WE GO FIX EVERY NEED THAT'S OUT THERE, THIS IS YOUR UPPER END, WE'RE GONNA BOUNCE UP ABOVE 90 AND STAY UP IN THAT RANGE.
IT'S NOT REALISTIC, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT, BUT THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE BOUNDS OF THE MODELS.
THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER LINES, THE UH, THE PINK LINE HERE IS KIND OF WHAT WE DESIGNATED AND THROWN OUT AS 500 A YEAR.
IF WE WERE TO SPIN THAT, THE YELLOW DASH LINE IS STEADY STATE.
WE ARE KEEPING THE CONDITION RIGHT AT 80 81 THROUGHOUT THE THE SCENARIO.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN IN THE WORK PLAN, I'VE GOT SOME MAPS I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE OF HOW THAT LOOKS.
UH, WE BREAK IT DOWN PER YEAR OF WHAT, HOW MANY MILES WE'RE GONNA BE TREATING ON EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES.
SO YOU CAN START TO SEE EFFECTIVELY HOW MANY MILES A ROAD THAT WE'RE WE'RE TREATING EACH YEAR AS WE GO THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE PLAN.
NOW, YOUR STAFF HAVE GIVEN ME SOME PLANNED WORK THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER, I BELIEVE IS FUNDED.
MAYBE EITHER CIP P MONEY, UH, SO THERE WAS SOME RECONSTRUCTION SO WE FACTORED THAT IN THERE IN SOME OF THE ANALYSIS, BUT IT WASN'T TAKING AWAY FROM THE ANNUAL BUDGET WE'RE MODELING FOR.
THIS WAS EXTRA WORK THAT WAS THROWN IN.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT KIND OF THE RESULTS OF ALL THE MODELS AND LET'S GET IT INTO SOME KIND OF GRAPH THAT MAYBE MAKES SENSE TO YOU GUYS.
UH, ON THE X AXIS, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON AN ANNUAL BUDGET.
SO THIS IS THE 500,000 WE STARTED WITH.
THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE HUDDLE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, THROWING THAT OUT THERE AT 500, IF WE LET IT DETERIORATE OVER FIVE YEARS, IT'S GONNA DROP TO A 78.
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE STEADY STATE.
IT'S GONNA COST A LITTLE OVER A MILLION A YEAR AND, BUT THAT WILL KEEP OUR PCI RIGHT AT 81.
WE'VE PUT IN ALL THOSE MODELS AND DEVELOPED THIS RED LINE SO THAT ANYTIME YOU WANNA LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, OKAY WE'RE SITTING AT AN 81, WE'RE OKAY TO MAYBE DROP TO 79.
HOW MUCH OF THAT COST US? WELL PROBABLY ABOUT 8,000 THOUSAND A YEAR TO STAY AT THAT POINT.
SO YOU KIND OF START LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF HOW MUCH MONEY PER YEAR YOU WOULD PUT IN MAINTENANCE AND WHAT YOUR RESULT AFTER FIVE YEARS WOULD BE.
AND I RECOMMEND FIVE YEARS AS A MAINTENANCE PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S REALISTIC THAT WE CAN PLAN AHEAD.
YOU START GETTING OUT FURTHER THAN THAT.
WE'RE REALLY MAKING A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE ECONOMY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE WEATHER, HOW FAST THESE ROADS REALLY GONNA DETERIORATE.
WHAT I RECOMMENDED IS DO A FIVE YEAR BUDGET AND LET'S REASSESS IT EVERY YEAR AND KEEP THAT FIVE YEAR ROLLING OUT AND YOU CAN LOOK AHEAD AND SEE HOW YOU'RE BEING AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE DECISIONS.
UH, IF I GO TO ONE MORE SLIDE HERE I'M LOOKING AT BACKLOG.
I'M LOOKING AT THE MILES OF ROAD THAT REQUIRE RECONSTRUCTION.
RIGHT NOW, BASED UPON OUR SURVEY THAT WE JUST DID, WE HAD 1.6% OF YOUR, UH, CENTER LINE MILES REQUIRE RECONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT.
WELL, IF WE SPEND THE 500 THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THERE AS AN ANNUAL BUDGET, THE BACKLOGS ARE GONNA GO UP TO 3.6% AND THESE NUMBERS DON'T INTERSECT.
CAUSE AS I SAID, I, WE THREW IN SOME OF THOSE C I P PROJECTS.
SO THAT THROWS IN IN THAT UPSET PCI JUST BY A FEW POINTS.
BUT BASICALLY YOUR BACKLOG'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.
YOUR PCI IS GONNA SLIP A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT BACKLOG MEETING RECONSTRUCTION'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.
IF WE SPEND A LITTLE OVER A MILLION AND KEEP THE STEADY STATE AT 81 PCI, OUR BACKLOG'S STILL GONNA GROW A LITTLE BIT, UH, 2.5%.
THAT'S BASED ON THOSE ROADS THAT ARE IN THE FAIR.
WE'RE GONNA START SLIPPING DOWN INTO THE FOUR VERY POOR CATEGORIES.
AND THEN TO WRAP IT UP BEFORE QUESTIONS, UH, KIND OF PUT TOGETHER SOME PLANS HERE SHOWING A MAP OF WHAT THAT PLAN WORKS.
THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT THE, UH, SYSTEM PICKED OUT TO GO TREAT.
PROBABLY WILL RECOGNIZE A FEW OF 'EM, BUT I WANT YOU TO GET THE VISUALIZATION OF $500,000.
THIS IS ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO FUND WITH THAT.
AND IF WE GO INTO 24, YOU CAN SEE A FEW OTHER STREETS, DIFFERENT ONES POP UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE GREEN IS CRACK CEILING SURFACE PRESERVATION.
WE'RE DOING A FAIR AMOUNT OF PRESERVATION, WE'RE DOING SOME MICRO SEALS, UH, BY, BY YEAR 25 WE'RE REALLY NOT GETTING INTO ANY MAJOR OVERLAYS OR FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THE MONEY LIMITATION.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT BACKLOG CONTINUES TO GROW.
WE'RE JUST NOT PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY IN A $500,000 BUDGET TO REALLY GO DO THOSE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS.
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BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO YEAR 26, SIMILAR TYPE THING, WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOME PRESERVATION AND SOME SEALS, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OVERLAY OR RECONSTRUCTION IN YEAR.SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF SOME IDEA ABOUT HOW MANY ROADS YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY TREAT BASED ON THAT KIND OF BUDGET.
UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION.
WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS WE CAN WRAP UP THIS WHOLE PROJECT, PUT TOGETHER A FINAL REPORT.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE'LL SEE IS WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE STAFF AND MAYBE FROM COUNCIL HOW WE WANT TO GO.
WE CAN ADJUST SOME OF THESE MODELS, UH, RERUN SOME THINGS IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE WANT TO LOOK AT BEFORE WE PUT THIS INTO A FINAL REPORT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE ARE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF A FEW WEEKS OUT OF GETTING THINGS WRAPPED UP IF EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
ANY QUESTIONS? I WENT THROUGH A LOT AS QUICKLY AS I COULD THERE TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME TIME HERE.
WELL FOR ME IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE DROPPED LIVE OAK OFF OF OUR CIP P SO IT'S NOT IN OUR C I P ANYMORE.
IT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE, AND THOSE ARE OUR MOST, THE OLD TOWN ROADS ARE IN THE WORST CONDITION.
AND I UNDERSTAND AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DID THAT.
UM, I WAS NOT A PROPONENT OR AN ADVOCATE FOR THAT, BUT UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE NEGLECTING A VERY BIG PART OF OUR ROAD SITUATION WITH THE UPCOMING DEVELOPMENT AND UPCOMING UM, UM, ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE CARS ON THOSE ROADS IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
YEAH, IT, IT REALLY DOES BECOME A BALANCING ACT BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR REACTION MODE IS YOU WANT TO GO FIX THE ROADS THAT ARE IN THE WORST SHAPE AND GET THOSE BACK UP TO SOME TYPE OF GOOD OPERATING ADDITION.
AND YOU THINK THAT, WELL SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SOME OF THE NEW AREAS, THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN LET 'EM GO.
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IF YOU TAKE THAT PHILOSOPHY FOR FIVE YEARS, EVEN LESS THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND NEGLECT THEM, THEY'RE ALL GONNA START DETERIORATING DOWN TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE COSTING TWICE AS MUCH TO DO SOMETHING TO 'EM.
THEN IF WE DO SOME PRESERVATION, I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM, BUT THROUGH THIS PLAN, LOOK AT SOME OF 'EM AS PRESERVATION.
I JUST THINK THEY'VE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR, AND IT, AND IT MAY BE THAT STRATEGY YOU LOOK AT THAT MAY JUST HAVE TO BUCKLE UP FOR FIVE YEARS AND, AND TRY TO CATCH UP UNDERSTANDING IT'S NOT THE MOST PHYSICALLY ADVANTAGE, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO BASED ON THE CONDITION OF ROOF.
THAT'S TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE SQUARE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS AND GO, RIGHT.
CAN WE RUN THE MODEL WITH, SO YOU, YOU HAVE 500,000 IN THE MODEL BUT WE HAVE 1 MILLION JUST GOING TO ONE TOTAL REBUILD OF A ROAD.
I MEAN THAT CAN DRAMATICALLY, LIKE TO COUNCIL POINT, THIS LIVE OAK ROAD, WE HAVE MONEY FUNDED THIS YEAR TO COMPLETELY REBUILT THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S OVER A HALF A MILLION.
SO REALLY THE NUMBERS SHOULDN'T BE HALF A MILLION RUNNING THROUGH THE MODEL FUND, DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.
FUNDED IS IT SO THAT THAT'S I BELIEVE SOME OF THE EXTRA PROJECTS WE HAD SHOWN IN THERE.
SO MAYOR TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION, WHAT SCOTT AND HIS GROUP ARE LOOKING AT SOMEWHAT DISCOUNTS, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISCOUNTS, BUT ASSUME SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CIP P LIKE LIVE OAK WILL COME ONLINE, RIGHT? WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON IS, OKAY, THOSE ARE COMING ONLINE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT REALLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT $500,000, THAT'S YOUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT CAPITAL PROJECT BUDGET, IT'S MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
SO IT'S RIGHT, WE'RE STILL GONNA, IT'S STILL GONNA CHANGE THE GRAPH, RIGHT? WHENEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A ROAD THAT IS IT WHATEVER, $80 NEEDS TO BE REBUILT IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING THAT OR LIKE COUNTY ROAD 1 37 THAT'S IN DESIGN PHASE, RIGHT? WHY DIDN'T REBUILD THAT? SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE COME OUT OF THAT OR THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING GOES INTO IT.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IS $500,000 A YEAR AND THE GRAPH HAS US GOING DOWN IF WE DON'T FIX SAY 1 37 AND IT AND IT DETERIORATES, THOSE ARE FACT, THOSE ARE FACTORED IN AND THAT'S WHY THIS LINE DOESN'T INTERSECT WHERE THIS GREEN DASH LINE INTERSECTS, RIGHT? SO BASED ON THE 500,000 YOU'VE GOT A MAINTENANCE BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY WITH THOSE PLANNED PROJECTS, WE ASSUME THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHY THAT PCIS JUMPED UP A POINT BASICALLY ON HALF MILLION ON TOP OF LIKE THE 14 MILLION WE HAD PLANNED THIS YEAR.
MIKE, ONE QUESTION IS, I THOUGHT FROM THIS STUDY THAT WE WERE ALSO GOING TO GET THE SIDEWALK THING BECAUSE AS PART OF THIS MAINTENANCE, UNLESS WE HAVE SIDEWALK
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AS A SEPARATE BUDGET, THAT WE WERE GONNA GET THAT AND KNOW WHICH STREETS WE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SIDEWALKS IN SOME AREAS OF TOWN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SIDEWALKS TO DO THIS AND OTHER AREAS OF TOWN THAT PROBABLY NEED TO GET DEALT WITH.AND SO I WAS CURIOUS, WHEN YOU TYPICALLY ARE SETTING THIS MODEL, ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT SIDEWALK REPAIR OR DOES OR ARE YOU HAVING IT COMPLETELY SEPARATE? AND THEN HOW BAD IS THAT? CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT DATA WAS COLLECTED, BUT I REMEMBER DATA WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.
I THINK WE'RE WE'RE DOING THE SIDEWALKS AS FAR AS THE EVALUATION.
SO WHAT WHAT THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE US IS BASICALLY THE DATA ABOUT SIDEWALK GAPS WHERE SIDEWALKS, UH, AND THE DATA IS THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING THE ANALYSIS ON DO WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SLOPE IN EVERY SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK AND DO WE HAVE CRACKS HERE IT IS QUANTIFYING WHERE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS WHERE WE DON'T THEY OR WHAT ARE THEIR DELIVERABLE IS ALL THE IMAGES, THE THE GIS DATA, ALL THE, THE DETAILED BACKGROUND.
UM, WE WANNA DO MORE DEEP DIVE INTO THE SIDEWALK.
WE'VE GOT THE DATA THAT CAN CAN MAKE, RUN THAT ANALYSIS BUT UM, THE CONDITION AND SAYING THIS DOESN'T MEET ADA, THIS DOES, THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR SCOPE.
THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A FOLLOW ON, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION I WANTED TO GO.
BUT, BUT THE DATA IS THERE FOR SIDEWALK IDENTIFYING GAS.
SO, SO IT'S AN INVENTORY GIS DATABASE THAT'LL SHOW THE LOCATIONS OF EVERYTHING AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE A GOOD FAR FOR GENERAL CONDITIONING OF THE SIDEWALK.
BUT, BUT WE HAD NOT FACTORED IN THE COST OF THAT IN THIS PROJECT.
YEAH I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THAT CUZ IF WE SPENT MONEY JUST TO FIND OUT THE SIDEWALK WAS THERE, WE COULD PROBABLY DO ON GOOGLE EARTHS AND GO THROUGH AND GO, WE'RE MISSING A SIDEWALK ON THIS BLOCK WE HAVE ON THIS BLOCK.
BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE UNDERSTANDING THIS SIDEWALK.
THIS SIDEWALK HERE NEEDS TO BE REDONE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE'S MISSING THIS ONE.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO AN ANALYSIS IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT WHAT WE FACTORED IN RIGHT HERE IS THIS, THIS BUDGET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PAVEMENT ONLY.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE A ROAD SEGMENT ADJACENT HAS A POOR SIDEWALK AND WE CAN FACT I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WITH CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK WHERE YOU FACTOR THAT INTO A SCORE SO THAT YOU KNOW OKAY NOT ONLY IS THE ROAD MAP BUT CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK ARE ALL THAT TOO.
THAT PUTS THAT AT A HIGHER PRIORITY POSSIBLE.
SO THERE IS THAT ANALYSIS WE CAN LOOK AT.
WE DID NOT DO THAT IN THIS ROOM.
CAUSE I'M WONDERING IF SOME OF THE YELLOW ROADS MIGHT CHANGE PRIORITY IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SIDEWALKS THERE WERE ADJACENT YEAH.
DATA YOU GOT ON THE SIDEWALKS.
IF WE WANTED TO DO AN ANALYSIS LATER THIS YEAR, WE COULD JUST TAKE THAT DATA AND THEN DETERMINE WHICH SIDEWALKS ARE GOOD, FAIR, OR RIGHT.
IT'S, YEAH, PROBABLY THE BEST WAY, I MEAN SOME OF THE WAYS I'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST IS SIDEWALKS, THERE'S NOT THE NATIONAL STANDARD LIKE THE AST FOR PAYMENTS.
USUALLY YOU'RE LOOKING DO YOU GET DIFFERENTIAL OR YOU GETTING MAJOR CRACKING OF THE SLABS? UH, DO YOU GET A FREE UPHEAVAL ROUTE ISSUE BUT YOU CAN PUT 'EM IN GOOD, FAIR OR POOR.
WE COULD PUT THOSE INTO, I'VE USED IT WHERE IT'S A DEDUCT POINT THAT I ADD INTO THE PCI.
SO IF I'VE GOT A ROAD THAT'S A PCI 50 BUT THE SIDEWALK'S BAD, IT DEDUCTS OR LET'S SAY IT'S POOR DEDUCT 20 POINTS, IT WOULD DROP IT DOWN INTO THAT MORE CRITICAL CATEGORY WHERE IT MIGHT GIVE US, YOU KNOW, REASON TO CHOOSE THAT AS A PROJECT IF WE HAVE THE FUNDING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS IF WE ADD SIDEWALKS TO IT NOW THIS MONEY REQUIREMENT'S GONNA GO UP QUITE A BIT.
I HAVE YOU, SO IF THE KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKE AND THE SIDEWALK IS FAR UP JACKED UP THAT THEY HIT THE CURB ALL OVER BRAKE ARM, DO THEY SEE THE CITY OR THE HOMEOWNER? IT DEPENDS
SO THE FACT THAT HE'S AT LEAST GONNA HAVE A MINIMUM SCORE IN THIS THING, WOULD THAT COUNT? NOTICE WE HAVE TO FACTUALLY LOOK AT IT, DO THE ANALYSIS.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET TO WHERE WE HAVE RELIABILITY ON ANYTHING.
UNLESS YOU HAVE TO REBUILD THE ENTIRE CITY AND THEN KEEP IT BECAUSE AS SOON AS ONE PERSON TRIPPED ON A SIDEWALK THAT SUNK, THAT'S YOUR FIRST NOTICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JUST NO, WE'VE GOT THE CONDITION, WE'VE GOT THE COST.
THOSE ARE CRITICAL FACTORS BUT WE DON'T HAVE KINDA TRAFFIC AND
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HOW CRITICAL A GIVEN, YOU KNOW, STREET THROUGH TOWN IS FOR PEOPLE GETTING TO A SCHOOL OR GETTING TO A CERTAIN PLACE, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN AND OUT OF TOWN.THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE STUDY AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
AND THAT'S A FACTOR IN WHERE WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE DIFFERENT ROUTES.
A ROAD MAYBE IN WORSE SHAPE, BUT IF NOBODY REALLY DRIVES IT, IS IT REALLY THAT CRITICAL TO FIX THAT ROAD BEFORE A ROAD THAT EVERYBODY DRIVES ON.
BUT LIKE A, YOU TALKING LIKE A SERIOUS ROAD, 5,000 CARS ON IT VERSUS A SERIOUS ROAD WITH 50,000 CARS TRAVELING ON IT.
THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
AND MAPLE EXAMPLE, FRONT STREET IS RED AND ISD JUST CHANGING ALL THE TRAFFIC TO TRAVEL ON FRONT STREET.
NOW DO PEOPLE NOT USE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION? AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT'S COMING IN A CERTAIN AREA THEN FOR EXAMPLE 1 32, WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON OVER THERE AND SO THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THAT ROAD IS GONNA CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
SO THERE THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IN THE MODELING, YOU JUST HAVE TO IDENTIFY IT.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
IT'S FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION.
UH, SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT IN THE INFORMATION OF THE EACH ROADWAY AND YOU CAN PUT, YOU KNOW, A RANKING POINT BASED ON IS IT A MAJOR ARTERIAL, MINOR ARTERIAL MAJOR COLLECTOR, MINOR RESIDENTIAL CUL-DE-SAC.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO JUST KIND OF TWEAK THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A WHOLE LOT OF WORK WE CAN JUST KIND YEAH.
YEAH IT'S JUST CHANGING THE FACTOR IN THE UH, BUDGET, UH, ANALYSIS.
WE'LL AJOUR THE MEETING AT 6 46.