* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL [00:00:01] RIGHT. IT'S SIX O'CLOCK. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 5TH, 2023 TO ORDER. START WITH ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON? HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. HERE. MAYOR SNYDERS? HERE. MAYOR POT GORDON? HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE. HERE. CUSTOMER HERE. ALL RIGHT. MOVE [3.1. City Council Protocols Review (Legal)] ON TO CITY, OTHER BUSINESS 3.1. CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS REVIEW. MAYOR COUNCIL, I BELIEVE THAT YOU GOT A COPY OF THE PROTOCOLS. I HAVE NOT REALLY PREPARED ANYTHING, BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE SECTION THAT WE'RE STILL, UM, WAITING TO DO, WHETHER THE ATTORNEY ATTORNEY IS GONNA PUT IN A REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR AN OPINION ON FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE. SO THAT'S STILL, UM, PENDING. AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WANTS TO GO SECTION BY ON THE POLICY SPECIFIC CHANGES. ONE MOMENT. YEAH. SECTION BY SECTION. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A BETTER IDEA? ALL SECTION ONE. ANY POTENTIAL CHANGES SECTION? UM, I HAD JUST A COUPLE. THERE WERE MORE, I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO ITEMS UNDER A OR MAYOR ITEMS NINE AND 12 SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE KIND OF THE SAME THING, OR AT LEAST THEY COULD BE COMBINED INTO ONE. YEAH, I HAVE THAT AS CONFLICTING CUZ IN ONE SPOT THE MAYOR CAN APPOINT COUNCILS ON COMMITTEES. ANOTHER ONE THEY CAN RECOMMEND. YEAH. SO I HAVE A NOTE TO LIKE TAKE OUT 12. OKAY. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. DO I HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT ONE? WE STILL ONE 11. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT. I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO IT, BUT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS CONVERSATION SO I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT PENDING OUR PROTOCOLS SPECIAL. PERSONALLY, I THINK THERE'S BENEFIT OF DOING IT IN THAT I THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE MAYOR HAS A LOT BETTER FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING FROM CONSENT OR KIND OF WHAT ORDER THINGS MAY NEED TO GO IN THAN STAFF. MAYBE. I THINK THAT'S SOME GOOD INPUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW. I WAS GONNA SAY WE CAN DO IT ON THE, THE BOARD, BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA ON THE BOARD UNTIL POST. SO THAT'S KINDA GREAT. I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE MAIN YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WELL BECAUSE THOSE MEETINGS YOU SAID THEY WERE USUALLY PRETTY QUICK. RIGHT? ABOUT A HALF HOUR. WE USUALLY SPENT ABOUT 10, MAYBE 15 MINUTES ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN, UM, I USED THE REST TIME FOR MY 1 0 1. THE ISSUE WHEN THAT WAS THAT OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLOWED TO ATTEND TIME TO RECALL THAT CONVERSATION AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT WRONG WITH THAT. IS IT ONLY FOR THE MAYOR OR IS IT, WAS IT MORE OF A, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO ATTEND AND WOULD HAVE THAT? NO, I THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN GO TO ANYTHING. PROBABLY HAD IS WE HAD A MAJORITY OR POSSIBLE QUO OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANTED TO ATTEND, WHICH SIMILAR COST. WE'D HAVE TO POST A MEETING, TALK ABOUT A MEETING. I THINK THAT THAT OPTION SHOULD BE THERE. MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY JUST UNDERNEATH ROLL MAYOR. YEAH. IN, UH, SECTION TWO, UM, A, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AT THE END, THIS SAYS THIS REVIEW SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE POSTING REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEXT. SO MEANS THAT UNLESS ATTENDED BY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO I GUESS THAT KIND OF ASSUMED THAT AT SOME 0.1 OR MORE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY ATTEND, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE ANY FOR ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ATTEND. IT'S MORE OF A, I THINK IT WAS JUST MORE THE OPTION TOO. AND THEN CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS TOLD THAT THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED. YEAH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IN THAT CONVERSATION THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ESSENTIALLY BARRED BECAUSE THE SO CITY MANAGER NOW. SO, SO THE MAIN PURPOSE IN THIS MEETING IS KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO PRIORITIZE DOES THIS GO IN THIS MEETING? DOES IT GET KICKED TO THE NEXT MEETING? IS THIS AGENDA TOO BIG FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING? UM, WHAT ITEMS MAKE SENSE ON CONSENT? WHAT THINGS SHOULD DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE PULLED? IS THAT THE KIND OF STUFF THAT TYPICALLY [00:05:01] YOU DO IN THIS KIND OF A PREP MEETING? I THINK THE, IF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MEETING ACTUALLY IS AND IF IT IS WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, WHICH IS MORE OPERATIONAL THAN IT'S, THAN IT'S USING THE MAYOR, IF YOU WILL, AS A, AS A COUNSELOR. IT'S LIKE, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE PREPARED, WHAT WE PROPOSED WE'RE ABOUT TO SEND OUT TO DRAFT FORM. DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUES? THE WAY THAT IT WAS FUNCTIONALLY WORKING WAS WE WERE GOING LINE ITEM BY LINE, ITEM BY LINE I AND EXPLAINING KIND OF LIKE WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IN YOUR ONE-ON-ONES, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF COUNSEL. BUT HE WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE THAT WOULD SEE AND, AND, AND HAVE THOSE EX EXPLANATIONS MADE. AND THEN IF HE SAW SOMETHING THAT HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT OR WHATEVER, IT WOULD GET MOVED. SO I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GOAL AND WHAT THE DESIRE IS OF THE, OF THE AGENDA SETTING MEETING. IF IT'S JUST OPERATIONAL THAT'S, THAT WE CAN KNOCK OUT REALLY QUICK BECAUSE I CAN JUST, WE, WE HAVE THE DRAFT PREPARED USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAY AND THEN I CAN JUST SEND THE DRAFT OR HE CAN COME IN EITHER WAY AND THEN HE CAN SAY YES, YES, YES NO, WHATEVER. AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE THE FINAL DRAFT GOES OUT TO COUNSEL. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU ALL STILL HAVE THAT WEEKEND TO SEE IT TOO. AND THEN WE CAN STILL MAKE CHANGES UP UNTIL MONDAY. SO IT, IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GOAL AND THE DESIRE IS FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL ON ON SETTING THE AGENDA. REALLY. LIKE I USED TO KEEP A RECORD OF ALL THE THINGS AND SO WE SIT IN AND YEAH, WE'LL HAVE THAT READY BY THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY. FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY COME UP. OKAY, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. WELL WE'LL HAVE IT READY LIKE THE NEXT ONE. WELL THEN I KEEP TRACK. THIS IS THREE DIFFERENT TIMES WE PUSH. IT'S LIKE IF THEN SAY THE LEGAL'S NOT READY OR ENGINEERING'S NOT READY AND I'M LIKE, WELL THEN BRING IT UP ON THE AGENDA AND LET THEM EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE NOT READY BECAUSE WE KEEP PUSHING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. YEAH. AND SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE THAT OCCASION, HEY THIS IS AN ITEM HERE THAT WE COULD MOVE TO CONSENT. THAT WAS MORE WITH WARREN. I DON'T, HERE I WOULD PROBABLY SPEND MORE TIME GOING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S READY TO BE IN CONSENT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER, IF IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN AN ITEM, THEN I IMAGINE EVERYBODY HERE, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE SEEN IT. AND SO THEN I TRY TO PULL IT OUT. THAT'S CONSENT. UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I LIKE THAT WHERE IT IS. ESPECIALLY, THERE'S A GATEKEEPER ON COUNCIL THAT IS KEEPING TRACK OF HERE'S THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF WE'RE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL IS EXPECTING THIS ON THIS DATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAID TWO MONTHS AGO AND IT'S NOT HERE. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT? WHAT'S GOING ON? AND YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT THAT I REALLY LIKE THAT. CAUSE THEN THAT'S CAUSE I GOT STOPPED ALL THIS THE PAST PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS. I, I DON'T EVEN TAKE THE CALENDAR WITH ME ANYMORE. I DON'T, I DON'T TRACK ITEMS. PEOPLE SAY THEY WANTED AGENDA AN ITEM. I USED TO WRITE IT DOWN, MAKE SURE IT WAS ON THERE. THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN SOMEONE WILL SAY, WELL, BUT IT SHOULD BE WORDED DIFFERENTLY. WE'LL KNOW IF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL MEMBER SAID EXACTLY LIKE THIS, THEN THAT'S ON THEM. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A CHANGE. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE ON THAT. I DON'T MAKE CHANGES TO PEOPLE'S AGENDA ITEMS. IF YOU WORD IT WRONG, THAT'S ON YOU AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. BECAUSE IF I START CHANGING OR IF THE CITY MANAGER STARTS CHANGING OR STAFF STARTS CHANGING, YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA AGAINST ME. IT'S GOTTA BE YOUR EMAIL SAID WHATEVER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ON YOU. AND SO WE DID HAVE HAD A COUPLE ISSUES LIKE THAT WHERE I'VE REFUSED TO MAKE CHANGES OR I'VE PUSHED STAFF TO NOT WORD IT, UH, A MORE ELOQUENTLY WAY. IT IT IS WHAT IT IS. NOW WE HAVE ALSO EMAILED A COUNCIL MEMBER LIKE, HEY, UM, THIS IS REALLY LONG AGENDA. UH, DO WE NEED TO HAVE TWO OR CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN CUT OUT AND WE KNOW WE SAID WE, WE WOULD HAVE LIKE YOUR ITEM ON LIKE JANUARY 5TH. AND SO I'VE EMAILED, I THINK I'VE EMAILED YOU AND CUSTOMER WERE SETTING BEFORE ABOUT, DO YOU MIND IF THIS GETS PUSHED BECAUSE OUR MEETING, LIKE THIS MEETING HERE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. YEAH. I WOULD START PUSHING STUFF LIKE UM, OUR REVIEW OF LAST YEAR'S THINGS AND I WOULD THINGS THAT I WOULD PUT ON THERE AND I WOULD REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE. DO YOU MIND IF WE PUSH THESE AND KIND OF KEEP THE MEETING DOWN? BUT WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT UNDER THE MEETING THINGS SAYS ANY TWO MEMBERS MAY PLACE IT AN AGENDA, BUT IT HAS TO BE NO LATER THAN TUESDAY. BUT WE, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN AWAY WITH THAT. CAUSE I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF ITEMS GIVEN AFTER TUESDAY. OR DOES THAT NOT APPLY TO THE CITY MANAGER OR THE MAYOR OR WHATEVER ADDING ITEMS? IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY. IT JUST SAYS TWO MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. ONE OR TWO. ROOM TWO STILL ONE. OH, OKAY. I DID HAVE A CHANGE THE ROLE OF MAYOR PROTON WERE UH, AT THE SELECTED AT THE FIRST REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING EACH REGULAR CITY COUNCIL ELECTION. I DON'T REMEMBER THE VERBIAGE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT HAS TO CHANGE, I BELIEVE TO. YEAH, I HAD A NOTE HERE. OR RUNOFF. YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHARTER. IS THAT A CHARTER AGENDA? IT'S A CHARTER PROVISION RIGHT NOW. [00:10:01] THE CHARTER AND COULD CHANGE THE CHARTER, I THINK HAVE TO KEEP THAT. OH YEAH. IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAD ON SECTION ONE. ANY OTHERS? SECTION TWO. I DID HAVE THAT ABOUT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I HAD A COMMENT TO TRY TO GET TO GO TO ONE. RIGHT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT. WELL AS LONG AS YOU'RE SETTING THE AGENDA THING ON FRIDAY, I THINK THAT IS FINE BECAUSE THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD 20 ITEMS THAT GOT ADDED BY. DID I HAVE AN ISSUE OF MAKING THAT ONE WHERE WE, WHERE ARE WE AT MEETINGS, RIGHT? OR YEAH, SECTION TWO A A OKAY. THIRD PARAGRAPH. SO ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN REQUEST AN ITEM. MM-HMM. . AND THEN WE'LL KEEP THE DEADLINE ON TUESDAY. SO THE DRAFT AGENDA IS READY BY WEDNESDAY FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT MAKE IT PUNTED OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE TIME. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THE DRAFT AGENDA THEN WITH ALL THE BACKUP MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE FINALIZED BETWEEN WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY. THAT'S WHEN IT WILL GO OUT TO COUNCIL. THEN ON MONDAY WE'LL MAKE ANY FINAL CHANGES FOR THE FINAL POSTING. BETTER PROTOCOL THAT EVERYONE PLANS TO FOLLOW. HAVING ONE ITEM. NO, NO, NO. I WAS HAVING THE DEADLINE OF TUESDAY THE WEEK BEFORE. UNLESS THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE THAT. I THINK THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. WE'VE HAD SOME EMERGENCY ITEMS THAT MAY HAVE TO COME UP, BUT LIKE THIS AGENDA HERE WAS NOT SO THIS ONE WAS, THERE WAS AMENDED ON A SATURDAY, CORRECT? YEAH. THERE WAS AN NOT AMENDED ON A SATURDAY. YEAH. OR HOLIDAY WEEKENDS SAYING WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE PROTOCOL THAT THEN SHOULD BE TWO, HONESTLY. 2 0 2 MEMBERS. TWO MEMBERS SUPPORTING AN AGENDA ITEM. ANYBODY ELSE IT FILLS OUT THERE? I DUNNO THAT IT MATTERS. I'VE BEEN ON RECORD SAYING THAT I'LL SECOND ANYBODY'S ITEM. SO THAT'S ME. YOU GOT TWO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. YEAH, WELL I MEAN THIS, THIS IS GONNA CHANGE ANYWAY SO I'M OKAY KEEPING OUT. YOU AS WELL. I'LL MAKE A MARK HERE. I THINK THE PURPOSE WAS TO, TO JUST PREVENT EVERYONE FROM, JUST PREVENT, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONCEPT ON, I GUESS I'M GUESSING THAT'S FINE. PROBABLY PUT ON THERE AT SOME POINT FOR A REASON TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A, I MEAN, I GUESS IF YOU FIGURE IF THERE'S TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I HAD AN ITEM REMOVED AND AN ITEM ADDED AFTER THE DRAFT CAME OUT OVER A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, SO THAT, WELL I GOT MARKED UP, WE CAN COME BACK AND VOTE ON THAT. UM, THERE'S A PART WHERE THE, UH, LET'S SEE IN, OH, IN PARAGRAPH TWO, CAN WE GO AFTER THAT ONE? SO THERE'S A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THE REVIEW, UH, MAY BE WAIVED BY THE MAYOR OR PRESIDING OFFICER. I'M GUESSING THAT'S JUST LIKE HOW MUCH SHOULD TALK ABOUT, OR IT'S A SMALL AGENDA. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT IT'S GETTING AT? I USE IT TO READ, TO WAIVE THE REVIEWS AFTER WE HAD THAT ONE COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH LIKE I'M JUST NOT GONNA DO 'EM UNTIL WE DECIDE STRUCTURALLY, BUT WE WANNA SEE OUT OF THEM. YEAH. SUSAN, THIS THIS SEEM TO BE MORE LIKE A, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS IS NOT A PERMANENT WAIVER, BUT I JUST WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE KNEW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS SENTENCE WAS? AVAILABLE COUNTRY. I'M NOT SURE. IEM OUTSIDE COUNTRY. I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WASN'T IT? WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? THE LAST TIME WE HAD A REVIEW MEETING, I THINK I WAS IN MEXICO. YES. AND WE STILL HAD IT THEN. UM, ALL I HAVE WAS A NOTE ON TWO E PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS. WE'RE SETTING ASIDE TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO AFFORD A PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THIS TIME MAY BE EXTENDED OR ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE PERMITTED FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, OTHER POINTS DURING THE MEETING. SO I'VE TAKEN THAT TO MEAN THAT THE THREE MINUTES IS THE THREE MINUTES. WE CAN'T EXTEND THE THREE MINUTES ON JUST A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO GET MORE TIME ON AN ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY'S READING IT THE SAME WAY. [00:15:02] OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THOUGHT THIS MEANT THIS TIMING. THE TIME SET ASIDE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT MAY BE EXTENDED OR ADDITIONAL TIME MAY BE PERMITTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. LIKE WE SET ASIDE A SPECIFIC TIME AT THE FIRST OF THE MEETING, BUT WE COULD DESIGNATE INITIAL TIME TO MAYBE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE COME IN AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM 'EM. MM-HMM. IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT THAT'S HOW I READ IT. SO INSTEAD OF SAYING THIS TIME, DO YOU WANNA SAY PUBLIC COMMENT MAY BE EXTENDED RIGHT NOW? PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU JUST GET THREE MINUTES. I, WELL I THINK ONE THING THAT SOME COUNCILS AND AND THAT I'VE SEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES IS THEY'LL SAY THERE'S 30 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH. AND IF, IF THERE'S A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEAK. AND WE DON'T DO THAT. WE DON'T, WE'VE NEVER. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S APPLYING TO IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A A 30 MINUTE COMMENT PERIOD. AND AFTER THAT'S DONE, STRIKE . I HAVE AN ISSUE JUST STRIKING HIM. AN ISSUE STRIKING BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE SET ASIDE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT. SO IF IT GOES AN HOUR, IF IT GOES AN HOUR AND A HALF, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE JUST BACK. SO WE DON'T NEED TO EXTEND THE TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LIMITED TIME. BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU MAY SAY AT OTHER POINTS DURING THE MEETING, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WANTING TO TALK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM, THEN YOU SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THAT ITEM MORE. IF WE HAVE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ONE THEY'RE CARING ABOUT, THEY'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT THEN TO SAY, HEY, THEY'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, LET'S MOVE INTO THAT SO WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER TO GET SOME OTHER PEOPLE HOME THAT WANNA TALK ABOUT OTHER STUFF. AND THEN GENERAL COMMENTS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMIT. THAT'S TWO PARAGRAPHS DOWN. ADDRESSES THAT OH YEAH. WHERE IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS, UHHUH, AND THAT TALKS ABOUT WHERE THEY SIGN UP TO TALK WHEN WE REACH THE AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK THIS IS MORE ABOUT JUST THE GENERAL, JUST THE NOT CAPPING IT AS A, A SET TIME. YEAH. OKAY. I AGREE TO STRIKE THAT. MY NEXT COMMENTS TWO E DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY BEFORE TWO? I'M SORRY. I UM, I JUST HAVE 'EM BACK ON TWO C. IT SAYS WORK SESSIONS ARE NOT HOWEVER REGULARLY, BUT WE DO THAT NOW. SO, UH, TWO PARAGRAPHS ABOVE THE, JUST TAKE OUT THAT SENTENCE. I WOULD SAY. YEAH, IT SAYS THE WORK SESSION LOCATION TIMES MAY VARY. LET GET RID OF THE, OUR NUMBER YOUR WAY IN. JUST TAKE OUT WORK. JUST SO DEGREE WORK SESSIONS. WORK SESSION LOCATIONS AND TIMES MAY VARY. OKAY. YEAH. JUST HAVE THE SENTENCE, ALL WORK SESSION, THE AGENDAS ARE POST COMPLIANCE AND THAT'S THE ONLY SENTENCE FOR THAT. OKAY. AND THEN ON C PUBLIC COMMENTS, IT SAYS FOUR BY TELEPHONE NEVER AFTER. UH, UH, SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN SAYS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL SPEAKING PERSON FOUR BY TELEPHONE. THAT'S BECAUSE OF COVID. YEAH, I THINK CAUSE OF COVID. THAT WAS TWO E THIRD OR FOURTH PARAGRAPH. UM, SECOND. I HAD ONE THING ON THAT TOO. THE REQUIRED SIGN IN FORM WILL BE PROVIDED SIGN FORMS PROVIDED AT THE MEETING LOCATION MUST BE TURNED IN PRIOR TO THE MEETINGS BEING EVER ENFORCED. THAT NO, WE'VE NEVER ENFORCED THAT. AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING. SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT THOSE COMMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL ARE PUT IN WITH THE MEETING. THE PERSON, THE PERSON SPOKE OR THEIR, WHAT THEY ENTIRELY SAID. UM, NO. WHENEVER WE GET LIKE THE WRITTEN EMAILS AND ANGELA PRINTS 'EM OUT FOR US AND WE READ IT, IT'S LIKE AN EMAIL JUST PUT THEIR NAME IN THAT SHE WANTS TO POST 'EM. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. BUT HE'S, HE'S ASKING IF IT SHOULD BE THE DIALOGUE OF WHAT THEY SAID OR JUST THEIR NAME THAT THEY SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. WELL THEY WERE THERE IN PERSON. WELL I LOOK AT IT AS IF YOU WERE THERE IN PERSON. IT'S VIDEO RECORDED WITH YOUR NAME WHAT SAID WHAT YOU SAID. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY A WRITTEN ONE CUZ THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T COME. MM-HMM. , THERE'RE A SINGLE PARENT. THEY CAN'T BE UP HERE WITH CHILDREN. THERE IS A HUNDRED PEOPLE TALKING AND THEY JUST WANT TO SUBMIT AN EMAIL TO MAKE SURE THEIR VOICE IS HEARD. I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY THEY CAN'T GO AND PACK THE MEETING MINUTE TACTIC AFTER THE FACT. THANK. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THE WRITTEN, ADDING THE WRITTEN COMMENTS, ADDING THE WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE MEETING MINUTES OF THAT MEETING. [00:20:01] SO HERE'S A, HERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE THE VIDEO IS NOT AN OFFICIAL RECORD. RIGHT. AND IT SAYS THAT, I THINK IN HERE I REREAD IT, IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL RECORD. THE OFFICIAL RECORD IS THE WRITTEN MINUTES. AND WE DO NOT PUT VERBATIM, IF SOMEBODY COMES UP AND SPEAKS IN THE MEETING, WE DON'T PUT THOSE IN THE MEETING. AND EVERY EMAIL COMMENT YOU WANT IN THERE AT MM-HMM. , AT LEAST WITH THE THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN SEE THEM AND KNOW THAT THAT PERSON EXISTS. WHEREAS WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SEND COMMENTS IN CLAIMING IT BE OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE TO THEN PUT SOMETHING IN. YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PETER GORDON SAID. WE GOTTA PUT IT IN THE RECORD AND THEN HE'S GONNA GO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW PETER. THAT'S OUR RULES. YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S JUST BEEN SEVERAL COMMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVEN'T COME AND SAID THEM IN PERSON NECESSARILY, BUT LIKE WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ADD TO THE RECORD. SO, I MEAN, EITHER WAY YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO AND YEAH. SEE WHAT SOMEONE SAID VERSUS YEAH. NOT NECESSARILY LIKE THE FULL EMAIL OR WRITTEN COMMENT, BUT MAYBE JUST THE NAME, THE NAME OF THE SUBJECT AND THE SUBJECT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE, OR NOT EVEN THE SUBJECT, JUST THE NAME. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW TOO, IT'S LIKE ABC GOT GOT UP AND DID PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO THEN, AND WE CAN SAY WRITTEN RICK HUDSON. I THINK WE USED TO DO THAT. WE USED TO LIST WHO GAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL DO. DO WE STILL LIST AT LEAST THE NAMES? MM-HMM. BECAUSE THE WRITTEN COMMENT, I WRITE WRITTEN COMMENTS. YEAH. OH, YOU, SO YOU ALREADY DID EVIDENCE. BUT IF YOU WANT THE ACTUAL SUBMITTED COMMENT ATTACHED TO, THERE'S A PLACE ON THE WEBSITE THAT HAS OTHER, I CAN, THAT'S WHY I USUALLY PUT DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED AFTER I CAN PUT IT THERE OR I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT. JUST ATTACH IT TO THE MINUTES. YEAH. WELL THE PROBLEM IS LIKE IF YOU DO THAT THOUGH, YOU WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED FOR HER TO TRANSCRIPT OF PEOPLE SAYING VIDEO FORM. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIED TO THE OFFICIAL RECORDS. I THINK WE JUST DO THE NAME AND SAY IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT YET THE PUBLIC CAN'T READ THE COMMENT. THEY COULD IF THEY DO A FREEDOM. SO THE OTHER THING IS IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS IT TO BE READ, THEY CAN ARRANGE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO COMMENT. CAUSE WE DON'T, AFTER THEM, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN READ SOMEBODY ELSE'S COMMENT AND SAY, IF THEY'VE ASKED ME TO READ IT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE AND THEY GIVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA ADD NAME OF EMAILED, I THINK COMMENTS NOW FROM LAST THOUGH. SO WE'RE GONNA ADD NAME OF EMAIL COMMENTS TO, UH, AGENDA MINUTES. CAN WE SAY WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MINUTES WILL BE RECORDED WITH THE PERSON'S NAME? I'LL DO IT THAT WAY. OR JUST, JUST RECORDED. I JUST SAY NAME. OKAY. ANYONE GOT ANYTHING BEFORE I, SO AS FAR AS THE YIELDING TIME, ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU WANNA GET RID OF YIELDING TIME OR EXTENDING TIME? MM-HMM. JUST SAYING THAT THE OFFICER SHALL NOT BE OBLIGATED TO RECOGNIZE THE SPEAKER FOR A SECOND. SOMETIMES PEOPLE YIELD THEIR TIME DURING OH NO. CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN HERE TOO. YEAH. THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF . IT DOES DIDN'T SAY HERE THAT A PUBLIC PERSON CAN READ A COMMENT, A LETTER FROM ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN AVAIL, ALLOW THREE MINUTES TO READ THE LETTER. SO THAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WHAT'S NEXT COME IN AND I, RIGHT NOW ALL PROCLAMATIONS NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR. WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT. I DUNNO IF THEY GOTTA BE APPROVED, UH, BY THE MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS IN THERE. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE SINCE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO READS THE PROCLAMATION AND THAT PUTS IT AS OFFICIAL THAT YOU SAID THE PROCLAMATION, THEN THEREFORE YOU SHOULD APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OTHERWISE PEOPLE COULD JUST WRITE A PROCLAMATION AND GO, HERE YOU GO MIKE. YOU GO READ THAT ENOUGH . I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. BUT I THINK I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM ON ANY OF THEM READING, BUT IS THERE ANY TIMES THAT LIKE, YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU KNOW, SHE'S LIAISON FOR DNI. THEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE TONIGHT THEY HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, LIKE MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER MCKENZIE SHOULD, SHOULD DO THIS. I MEAN, DO YOU EVER FEEL THAT WAY TO WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, MAYBE, OR YOU'RE JUST LIKE, OKAY, I'LL JUST TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS. NO, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD SOMETIMES YOU WANNA LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST GIVE IT TO ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER. WE HAD A PROCLAMATION FOR A CITIZEN, UM, THAT, [00:25:01] UM, MAYOR PUT GORDON HAD A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH AND, BUT IT WASN'T HELD AT CITY HALL. MM-HMM. . WHAT WE HAD HAPPENED A YEAR OR SO AGO WAS WE STARTED HAVING REQUESTS FOR A LOT OF PROCLAMATIONS. I'D CALL IT PANING A LITTLE BIT. IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW BECAUSE IT'S A BLACK HISTORY MELT, MARTIN LUTHER KING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS ALL OF A SUDDEN, TH THIS IS A NICE PERSON OUT HERE, I'M GONNA GET, I'M GONNA DO A PROCLAMATION FOR THEM. AND SO WE TALKED THEN WITH WARREN ABOUT POSSIBLY HAVING SOME KIND OF PROTOCOL FOR WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERS A PROCLAMATION AND WHEN YOU DO IT, BECAUSE SOME OF 'EM YOU CAN DO, OR WE'VE EVEN JAMES AND I THINK HAVE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT THEY DID IN KYLE. SOMETIMES PROCLAMATIONS CAN BE HAD AT CITY HALL. THERE WAS ONE WE DID RIGHT ANGELA? THAT THEY CAME EARLY. SHE YEAH, SHE WANTED, YEAH, CAME AT FIVE O'CLOCK. YEAH. SHE WANTED A PROCLAMATION AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL IT WASN'T, MAYBE NOT SOMETHING FOR A PUBLIC MATTER, BUT, UM, SHE WANTED ONE, WE CAN DO IT. THEN SHE SHOWED UP, TOOK A PICTURE, GOT IT DONE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE'VE TALKED, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME SORT OF PROCESS CUZ IT COULD BE ABUSED IN POINT TO WHERE, UM, THEY JUST GET IT DONE FOR RANDOM. BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE HELD MORE FOR LIKE SPECIAL TYPE EVENTS IF THEY'RE GONNA BE AT A PUBLIC MEETING, IF IT'S A BUSINESS, IF WE'RE CLAIMING THEY'VE BEEN OPEN FIVE YEARS AND A CELEBRATION TO ME, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YOU'RE CELEBRATING IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WARRANT'S COMING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING EITHER. BUT I JUST PUT THAT AS MAYBE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA ASK TONIGHT IS ON AGENDA ITEMS TO ACTUALLY US TALK ABOUT THAT ELSE ON TWO TWO M I THINK ALL OF US HAVE BROKEN THIS ACCORDING TO THE WAY I READ IT. IN MY LITERAL SENSE, YOU CAN'T DO A TEXT MESSAGE, AN EMAIL, A SOCIAL MEDIA POST OR ANY KIND OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGING DURING A MEETING. WELL, I'VE GOTTEN MESSAGES FROM THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE ABOUT, HEY, CAN YOU MOVE THIS ITEM? OR CAN YOU DO THIS? AND I TEXT BACK. UM, AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE PROTOCOLS TO FOLLOW, THEN IN MY MIND, FIRST THING I THINK WE TAKE THIS OUT AND IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE PHONE TEXTING YOUR FAMILY OR WHATEVER INSTEAD OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS FOR US TO POLICE THAT. I THINK IT IS. WELL, WE'VE ALSO HAD PROBLEMS WHERE THE THING DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE DROPBOX. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISPUTE THE WHOLE MEETING AND I'M TEXTING DAVID SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO GET THIS EMAIL IS NOT UP. OR I, I CAN'T LOG INTO THE TEXT. DAVID AND I TEXTED ANGELA, CAN YOU TURN THE AC DOWN? YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING HOT IN HERE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. SO I'M SORRY, THINK ANY OF THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS. BUT YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, WE HAVE OUR COMPUTERS IN FRONT OF US. I GOOGLE THINGS. UM, SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING OTHER THINGS, BUT TECHNOLOGY ALL THE TIME. ANYTHING ELSE ON TWO? ANYTHING ON THREE? UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE VIOLATION OF PROTOCOLS. ACTUALLY. LET'S TWO. CORRECT. YEAH. SO, UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA THAT WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE PASSED SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT RESOLUTIONS THIS YEAR ON, UM, SOME VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS. AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE AS A COUNCIL WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO HOW DISCIPLINARY ACTION SHOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TAKE PLACE. UM, WE'VE PASSED, UM, HARASSMENT, UH, RESOLUTIONS. WE'VE PASSED CYBER BULLYING AND BULLYING RESOLUTIONS, AND YET WE DON'T AS A COUNCIL HAVE ANY DIRECTION IN ORDER TO HOLD A COUNCIL MEMBER ACCOUNTABLE IN OUR PROTOCOLS. YOU CAN PASS THE SENSOR. WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME LEGAL DIRECTION AS TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION. OPEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY BULLY SOMEBODY SOCIAL MEDIA OR ENGAGES IN OTHERS BULLYING SOMEBODY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, HOLD THAT COUNCIL PERSON ACCOUNTABLE? WHAT TYPE OF, ASSUMING I'M JUST, I'M THROWING IT OUT AS A CONVERSATION. SURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER [00:30:01] COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY AVENUES IN THE CITY, WE CAN USE OUR COUNCIL COMMENT, WE CAN USE FACEBOOK, WE CAN USE HOMETOWN, WE CAN USE TWITTER OR WHATEVER. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND REPRESENT HUK AS A TEAM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF JUST A CENSURE WORKS. I MEAN, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE A LINE WHERE, OKAY, YOU DO IT ONCE YOU GET CENSURED, DO YOU DO IT TWICE, YOU GET CENSURED, DO IT THREE TIMES, THEN WHAT? YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION ON HOW AS A COUNCIL, WE REPRESENT THE CITY OF HUK IN A MATURE AND RESPECTFUL WAY. WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IF THE CURRENT POLICY IS CENSURING AND THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SINCE WE'RE OPENING UP TO OTHER PEOPLE, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE TO KIND OF START THE CONVERSATION LINE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT, HONESTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE PROFESSIONALS AND WE HAVE TO ACT IN A MATURE MANNER AND NOT ATTACK EACH OTHER. HEY, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. YOU KNOW, WE TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE TO PROTECT AND SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS. UM, WE DON'T TAKE AN OATH THAT WE'RE GONNA GO ONLINE AND ATTACK EACH OTHER. WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER. UM, I JUST, I, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE A WORK SESSION INDIVIDUALLY, LIKE A INDIVIDUAL WORK SESSION, IS HOW DO WE HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE IF WE ARE ACTING OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDELINES OF COUNCIL PROTOCOLS. I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA OPEN IT UP AS SOMETHING THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, HU NEEDS TO BREAK UP WITH FACEBOOK AND THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD PROFESSIONALLY AS REPRESENTATIVES AND LEADERS OF THE CITY OF, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I HAVE NO SUGGESTIONS. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO DOTTY. UM, WHAT SHE CAN SUGGEST OR CITY MANAGER IRV ON WHAT HE SUGGEST OR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY SUGGEST. UM, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, I BELIEVE, AND I KNOW I'LL BE ATTACKED TOMORROW. UM, I JUST BELIEVE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS JUST IMMATURE AND UNPROFESSIONAL. I THINK CITY MANAGER I AND DAVI ARE HERE FOR, TO DO WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, I THINK THERE'S OTHER PROBLEMS WE DO AS A COUNCIL. WE THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM. SO WE SAY CITY MANAGER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? HE'S, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM. I THINK WE AS A CITY AS A WHOLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FACEBOOK IN GENERAL OUTSIDE THIS ISSUE. AND SO RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR DOTTY OR THE CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH ANY KIND OF LANGUAGE UNLESS WE TELL 'EM THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE IT TO SAY. CAN YOU WORD IT LEGALLY? AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE TEND TO RELY ON THEM TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR US WHEN WE NEED TO BE THE, WE DIRECT THEM WHAT TO DO. AND THAT IS WHY I SAID THIS PROBABLY SHOULD BE A SEPARATE WORK SESSION. OR WE ALL GO HOME AND WE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE AND WE COME BACK AND WE GIVE THEM DIRECTION. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING THEM TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE. SO THERE IS A PROCESS OUTLINED IN HERE. SO IF, IF ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL FEELS THAT A, THAT FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER HAS VIOLATED THE PROTOCOLS OR IN THE WORDING HERE CAUSES EMBARRASSMENT OR NEW DISCRETION, THE CITY, THEN THERE IS A PROCESS OUTLINED. THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD REQUEST AN AGENDA ITEM AND LIKE SAY I DID SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS BREAKING THE PROTOCOL. SO YOU COULD REQUEST AN AGENDA ITEM, BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING AND OUTLINE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COUNCILMAN GORDON IS, IS YOU KNOW, DONE SOMETHING AND I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNLESS I REQUEST THAT IT'S IN PUBLIC. AND THEN THAT'D BE MY DECISION. WE COULD EITHER GO IN EXEC OR WE COULD GO IN PUBLIC. YOU WOULD LAY OUT YOUR CASE AS TO WHY YOU FELT I BROKE THE PROTOCOLS. I WOULD LAY OUT MY CASE AS TO WHY I FEEL I DIDN'T, WE WOULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION AS A WHOLE COUNSEL. THE WHOLE COUNSEL WOULD DECIDE AND THEN WE'D EITHER DO 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR. SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS? SO I, I WOULDN'T REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON THE RESOLUTIONS THAT HAVE HAVE BEEN PASSED AND BEEN ADOPTED BY THIS BODY. SO WE PASS VERY SPECIFIC RESOLUTIONS ON SEXUAL HARASSMENT. HARASSMENT. WE'VE PASSED [00:35:01] VERY SPECIFIC, UM, RESOLUTIONS ON BULLYING AND CYBERBULLYING. SO I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GO INTO THAT FURTHER BECAUSE MAYBE MY UNDERSTANDINGS LIKE SHOULDN'T JUST BE THAT WE GO FOR AN ETHICS VIOLATION, IT HAS TO GO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IT'S A WORK SESSION. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS A BODY, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK THAT THE CONVERSATION WE HAVING LAST TIME WITH PROTOCOLS AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS WAS THAT WORDING OF THAT CAUSES EMBARRASSMENT OR DISGRACE. HOW DO YOU DEFINE EMBARRASSMENT? WHY DEFINE EMBARRASSMENT? WAS THAT A DISGRACE TO YOU? AND THAT'S THE GRAY AREA OF WHAT IS AN EMBARRASSING SITUATION? WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER DISGRACEFUL? SOME PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO I THINK THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF SAYING THAT CAUSES EMBARRASSMENT OR DISGRACE, THAT'S WHEN WE START LISTING THOSE THINGS AT THE RESOLUTIONS. INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING EMBARRASSMENT OR DISGRACE. CYBER BULLYING, BULLYING, SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDERNEATH OR LIKE INAPPROPRIATE. INAPPROPRIATE. YEAH, INAPPROPRIATE. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINION APPROPRIATE, INAPPROPRIATE. BUT I MEAN IF THINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY IF APP, IF THAT PROTOCOL IS BROKEN, THEN IT'S PROBABLY CLEAR THAT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT THAT'S MORE THE GRAY AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT THE PROCESS. I THINK WHAT PETER'S SAYING ABOUT THE PROCESS'S VERY ACCURATE AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO HANDLE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST WHAT QUALIFIES AS A VIOLATION IS VERY VAGUE AS FAR AS EMBARRASSMENT OR WHAT DO I FIND APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE. SO IF WE'RE PASSING RESOLUTIONS WHERE WE'RE HOLDING STAFF ACCOUNTABLE FOR X, Y, AND Z AND WE'RE PASSING THESE RESOLUTIONS, THEN MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE WHAT THAT IS HAD SOME EITHER SENTENCES THERE OR BULLYING POINTS THERE OR WHATEVER COMS, WHATEVER WAY TO LAY IT OUT. THAT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, WHAT YOU'RE MAYBE TRYING TO SAY SAD IN LANGUAGE FOR FROM THE BULLYING AND CYBER BULLYING AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT, UM, RESOLUTIONS PASS AND HER IN HER ALL IN HARASSMENT. GENERAL. GENERAL, YEAH. AND ALL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HARASSMENT I GUESS CAN BE INAPPROPRIATE. YEAH. AND I WOULD, I, THE ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND THIS, ONCE YOU OPEN IT UP TO THAT, WHEN IT GOES TO ANY OF THOSE THINGS FOR THAT PERSON, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS OFFENSIVE TO YOU THAT HAD CAUSED EMBARRASSMENT TO YOU. SO WE DO A CENSURE ON IT WAS SOMETHING ROBIN SAID. OKAY. SO THEN SHE GOES, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT OPEN. YOU WERE EMBARRASSED BY IT. NOW THEY, THE PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE, AND, AND I KNOW THE TRANSPARENCY THING, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO THEY THEN GET A SAFE SPACE TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE TO WORK THROUGH IT NOT BEING JUDGED FROM EVERYONE ELSE BEFORE YOU COME OUT AND SAY WHAT IT IS. THAT ALMOST CREATES LIKE AN INTIMIDATION LEVEL. MM-HMM. DEPENDING ON WHO'S BEING CHARGED VERSUS WHO'S DOING THE, THE OFFEND BEING OFFENDED. NOW IT COULD BE ABUSED THE OTHER WAY TOO. I'M NOT NO, I WAS GONNA SAY IT COULD BE THE OTHER WAY. YEAH. I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAID AND SO YOU'RE CYBERBULLYING ME OR THAT WAS SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SO THEN I JUST PUT UM, I JUST PUT UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION BECAUSE OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF MAYOR SNYDER AND THEN, WELL NOW IT COULD BE NOTHING TO MOST PEOPLE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER CUZ NOW IT'S IN THE RECORD WE'VE MADE AN AGENDA ITEM. RIGHT. WELL THAT WOULD BE IN EITHER CASE AND YOU COULD DISCUSS AN EXECUTIVE AND THEN COME OUT AND HAVE TO GIVE A REPORT ON WHAT OCCURRED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WOULD STILL GIVE THE O THE PERSON TO HAVE THEIR COMMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE WHATEVER COMMENT THEY WANTED TO SAY IN THE PUBLIC. EITHER PARTY COULD SAY THAT AT THAT POINT. WELL THEY BROADLY THEY COULD BROADLY WORD IT INTO LIKE THE CAPTION. RIGHT. AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR IN VIOLATION OF, UM, COUNCIL PROTOCOLS TOWARDS MAYOR. YEAH. INSTEAD OF GOING SO I'M SURE, BUT YEAH, PRIVACY, I'M SURE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY SENSITIVE TO THOSE THINGS. SO THEY WOULDN'T SAY OR HOPE , THEY WOULDN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE ALL. ANYTHING ELSE ON GOT SIX MINUTES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL, UH, FOUR, FOUR C WAS PENDING THAT AG OPINION, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , MY NEXT WAS FIVE. YES, [00:40:01] I HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? MY, MY BIG THING IS WE SIGNED AS AN EDC BOARD, NDA, AGREEANCE. I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ALSO ALSO HAVE TO SIGN THAT STUFF AND THAT WE TIGHTEN DOWN NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT WE TIGHTEN DOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A TENDENCY OR IT COULD BE A TENDENCY IN THE FUTURE FOR OTHER COUNCILS OR WHATEVER, TO RUSH TO WHO BROADCASTS IT ON WHATEVER PLATFORM THEY WANT TO PUBLICLY FIRST CAN, CAN BE DONE AFTER THE P THE THE INFORMATION OFFICE HAS RELEASED THE INFORMATION, THE EDC, WE WOULD NOT POST ANYTHING UNTIL WE'VE BEEN RELEASED ON THOSE NDA REQUIREMENTS. SO IF YOU HAVE THE NDA REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE YOU COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT STUFF, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE PUBLIC, HAVING SOMETHING PUBLIC AND THEN SHINING A SUPER LIGHT ON IT TO THEN BE LIKE AS A, AS A POLITICAL TOOL IS FINE, BUT IT NEEDS TO OCCUR AFTER THE CITY PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE HAS RELEASED THE INFORMATION, THEN YOU WANT TO EITHER TAG THEIR POST THAT CAME FROM THEM OR WRITE YOUR OWN AND THEN MENTION THAT, OH THE CITY JUST DID THIS. WE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED ON AT THAT POINT. SO WE HAVE ONE TIME AND IT'S NOT WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN POST IT FIRST TO GET PERCEIVED CREDIT WHEN WE ALL WORKED ON WHATEVER IT WAS. THAT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING. AND IT'S NOT A STAMP ON INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WORKS ALL DAY, SOMEONE ELSE WORKS THING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME. BUT IF WE KNOW THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PIA IS GONNA DOING A A MONDAY RELEASE EVERY MONDAY AND WE KNOW WHAT, AND WE GET PREVIEW OF THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN WE KNOW THAT'S GONNA GO ONLINE AT FIVE O'CLOCK, AT 5:00 PM ON MONDAY, THEN YOU CAN POST WHATEVER YOU WANT RELATED TO UH, ANY OF THAT STUFF AFTER 5:00 PM MONDAY AND THEN, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LINK TO THE, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE AND, AND I THINK IF WE DID STUFF LIKE THAT THEN THERE'S NOT ANY AMBIGUITY OR PEOPLE THINKING THAT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF HAPPENED JUST TO KIND OF THROW IT OUT THERE. SO GOT US ALL ON FACEBOOK, SOMEBODY THOUGHT THERE WAS INSIDER INFORMATION OF STUFF. THERE WASN'T, BUT YOU HAD THIS WHOLE THING AND THEN IT BECAME KIND OF A THING. WELL IF WE'D HAVE WAITED FOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE TO RELEASE THE STUFF, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A COMPLETELY NON-ISSUE REMOVED AS A PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE OF THAT. AND I DON'T SEE HOW THAT INFRINGES ON ANY COUNCIL PERSON DOING THAT AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CHANGE AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION GOES. JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE A SET TIME, YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA COME. THEN THAT WOULD ALSO TRAIN THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, HEY, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY GONNA HEAR FROM THE MAYOR EVERY MONDAY AT 6:00 PM OR TUESDAY I, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. JUST BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT THE, THIS PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE THAT HELPS COUNCIL, IT ALSO HELPS WHEN WE'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE. I'M A BIG THING ABOUT PUTTING THINGS IN PROCESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT ANY DYNAMICS OF ANY CURRENT COUNCILMAN BECAUSE MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE READ IT, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A COUNCIL WHERE VERY, VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN POSTING STUFF. OR WE COULD HAVE WHERE WE'VE GOT FIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL TRYING TO POST THAT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO SEE A CLEANUP. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU RANDALL ON THIS ONE. I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER THAT WE HIRED AND WE'RE COMPETENT IN AND WE HAVE A PIO THAT IS AMAZING AND WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO EMPOWER THEM, NOT CUT THEM OFF. AND I, I MEAN THERE'S THINGS THAT I WANNA EMPOWER OUR CITY HALL. I WANNA GET FAITH BACK IN OUR CITY HALL. I WANT TO GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, TIME TO HEAL AND GROW. AND IF WE GO OUT AND WE ACT AS THE SPEAKER OF THE CITY OF HUK, WE, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE SAYING WE KNOW MORE AND WE ARE NOT GONNA TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED TO DO THEIR JOB. THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS. OH, WE'VE GOT ONE MINUTE. I'LL JUST SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ME. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE PLAYING GAMES. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ME. I, I'D REMIND EVERYBODY TWO THINGS. ONE, UM, LATER ON IN THIS, INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO POSITIVELY PROMOTE THE CITY AND SHARE INFORMATION ON THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA SITES. IT'S ON OUR PROTOCOLS TO SHARE. IF WE'RE GOING TO DEPEND ON WAYS FOR THE PIO, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I'VE WAITED ON IN THE PAST, NOT JUST WITH THIS PIANO OR IN OTHERS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMETIMES AWESOME BUSINESS GENERAL REPORTS IT BEFORE THE CITY DOES IT. SOMETIMES COMMUNITY IMPACTS REPORT IT CUZ THEY'RE THERE RIGHT THEN AND THINGS COME OUT LATER THAT NIGHT. SO I'M ALWAYS GONNA BE A PERSON TO WHERE, UM, IF IT'S A BIG ECONOMIC DEAL, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT A LOT OF CITIES DO IS THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PRESS RELEASE SET UP READY TO GO TO WHERE WHEN IT'S PASSED IT'S HANDED OVER TO THE MEDIA PERSON. THEY DON'T WAIT TWO OR THREE DAYS. RIGHT. THEN THAT, AND ONCE AGAIN IT STILL COMES BY FROM WHEN THE PIO DOES IT AND EVEN SAYS IN GENERAL SHOULD BE REFERRED TO IN, SO IS IT [00:45:01] ON ME OR IS IT, OR IS THERE A PROCESS OUTSIDE OF ME THAT NEEDS TO GO A LITTLE QUICKER? BECAUSE THEN THAT'S WHAT WE TIGHTEN UP. BUT WE STILL THEN CAN SAY WE'RE GONNA WAIT'S PROCESS WITHIN YOUR'RE ENCOURAGED TO MAKE THEM GET FASTER IF YOU WANT TO POST QUICKER. RIGHT? SO IF IF YOU, IF WE, IF IF YOU MAKE IT WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, I WANNA BE ABLE TO POST JUST LIKE THAT, THEN WE START PUTTING THE PROTOCOL THAT, HEY, WHEN YOU COME TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, WE EXPECT STAFF TO ALSO ALREADY HAVE THE PIA READY TO GO AS PART OF AGENDA DOCUMENT. THIS IS JUST HOW WE HANDLE RIGHT. ISN'T THE DOCUMENT THAT TELLS STAFF HOW WE WANT THINGS TO HAPPEN. AND TO ME, THAT'S ON THEM THEN. RIGHT? SO THE WAY WE WE SAY IS WE DON'T WANT COUNSEL ANNOUNCING STUFF BEFORE THE, IT COMES FROM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, RIGHT? THEN YOU WANT IT TO, TO BE QUICKER. SO YOU SAY, OKAY, NOW WHAT PROTOCOLS AM I GONNA CHANGE SO THAT THE, THE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION COMES OUT THE DAY I VOTE ON IT. OH, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. LIKE, AND THEN THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THEN IT'S STILL COMING DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY FIRST. AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY, THEY WAITED A WEEK AND IT'S ON KICK SAYING NEWS BECAUSE WE HAD THINGS THAT THE LAWSUITS WERE, THERE WERE 17 LAWSUITS HIDDEN. AND IF THE CITY, YOU'RE GIVEN ALL THE POWER TO GOVERNMENT NOT TO, TO BE THE ONES WHO SHARE INFORMATION AND WE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN ONLY SHARE INFORMATION IF THE GOVERNMENT FIRST PRINTS IT OUT AND GIVES US THE OKAY TO DO IT. I'M, I'M JUST NEVER GONNA BE OKAY WITH THAT. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO BACK UP TO THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS IF YOU READ THE GOVERNMENT, MIKE, BUT WHAT, WHAT ABOUT, NO, I T WHAT ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME HERE? WHAT IF THEY WANNA CONTROL THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR OPENING? WHAT IF THEY WANNA CONTROL WHEN IT GETS ANNOUNCED? WHAT IF THEY WANNA DO THAT? NOT AN OBJECTIVE SOURCE. THERE ARE THINGS, ESPECIALLY HALF THE LAWSUIT, THE LAWSUIT LAWSUIT WINS GET ANNOUNCED, BUT THE SETBACKS DON'T. THAT IS A LITTLE MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, IN MY OPINION. WELL I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND AFTER THE FIRST SENTENCE, THE PUT HAS ALLOWED BY LAW BECAUSE IN ORDER NON-DISCLOSURE CAN'T, AND IF YOUR IN A MEETING AND SOMETHING'S VOTED ON, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR BASIC FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO COMMENT ON IT IN THIS LAST SENTENCE. IN ADDITION, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY STATE LAW CHECK TO ENSURE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WE, UM, I WOULD JUST OMIT THAT AND REFER TO THE ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD USE THE ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE DISCUSSION THREAD AND JUST REVISE THAT. IF THAT'S OKAY. YOUR HONOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE THIS AND EITHER, I DUNNO WHAT THE PROCESS IS, HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION TO FINISH IT UP. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SERVE AS A MODEL OF LEADERSHIP AND CIVILITY TO THE COMMUNITY INSPIRE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. SO IF YOU WANT THE GATEKEEPERS, IF YOU HAVE FURTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANNA, YOU CAN SEND TO ME NEXT. YEAH, THAT'S, SO WE WILL ADJOURN 6 48. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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