[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
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THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY HAVE AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES.
THAT'S ABOUT I ASK HER BEFORE.
YEAH, THIS IS OUR CALLED COMBINED.
AND THIS IS A OPINION ON, SO WHAT
[3.1. Personal Financial Disclosure Statements (Legal)]
I DID IS PRESENT AND OVERVIEW OF DISCLOSURE LARGE, THAT THIS, AND EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR, CHAPTER 1 71 WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE FILE, CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND WHEN, UM, A PUBLIC, PUBLIC OFFICIAL, WHICH INCLUDES THE COUNCIL, WHETHER YOU'RE ELECTED OR APPOINTED, PAID.AND THEN, UM, ANYBODY FOR EXERCISES, RESPONSIBILITIES, THE ASIDE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN EXAMPLE.
AND SO WE HAVE THE FORM THAT YOU FILL OUT IN CATALYST CHAPTER 1 71, CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
YOU OWN 10% OR MORE OF A VOTING STOCK OF A BUSINESS ENTITY.
MORE OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF BUSINESS ENTITY.
OR YOU RECEIVE FUNDS THAT ARE EXCEED 10% OF INCOME FOR THE YEAR.
YOU ALSO HAVE A INTEREST IN PROPERTY, THE EQUITY AND PROPERTY.
I DID GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE, UM, THE RELATIVE REMEMBER.
SO THE RELATIVES, UH, ON PART FOUR, CHAPTER 1 71 FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE IS, UM, THE RELATIVE WITHIN THE FIRST DEGREE OF GUI, WHICH IS THE BLOOD RELATIVE, YOUR DAUGHTER OR SON, UM, OR AFFINITY, WHICH IS YOUR SON-IN-LAW, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR INTERESTS ARE WITHIN
EITHER BLOOD RELATIVES OR RELATIVE.
AND YOU KNOW THAT, UM, YOU HAVE THE SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST.
YOU GO ON THE, FOR THE TEST, WHETHER IT HAS A SPECIAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
SO IT'S UM, SOMETHING THAT MAKES REAL PROPERTY VALUE GO UP, GO DOWN SOME SORT FORESEEABLE, UM, IMPACT ON WITH THIS, WHERE IS THAT ONE AT? BECAUSE I REMEMBER ONE TIME WE HAD TO FILL SOMETHING OUT, AN ACTION.
IS THERE A, A DOCUMENT FOR THAT OR WE DEVELOPED A COMPETENT INTEREST FORM.
WE'VE ALSO ADDED TO THE FORM A STATEMENT AT THE BOTTOM.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BUSINESS ENTITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY 10% OR YOU THE TEST AND THE CHAPTER 1 71 USING CAN ALWAYS DISCLOSE THAT ON FORM.
AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THAT YOU'RE ON A NONPROFIT BOARD AND THE NONPROFIT BOARD COMES SIT, SEE AND ASK FOR SOMETHING.
A LOT OF TIMES, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I'VE REPRESENTED LIKE THE DISCLOSE THEIR, UM, RELATIONSHIP TO THEM, NONPROFIT FUND FORM MADE PART OF THE REFERENCE, THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW THAT, UM, THEY'RE NOT PRIVATE DECISION WHETHER IT'S SHOULD OR GRANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW IF YOU DON'T, UM, COMPLY WITH UH, 1 71, KEEP THAT.
THE NEXT ONE IS CHAPTER 1 76, SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
BUT UM, AND THEN IF YOU DO HAVE TO FILL OUT THE CHAPTER 1 76 STATEMENT
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FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, FORM, UH, CITIES THAT HAVE A WEBSITE HAVE TO POST IT ON THE WEBSITE.SO 1 76 APPLIES TO ANY WRITTEN CONTRACT FOR SALE PURCHASE, PROPERTY GOODS, PERSONAL PROPERTY OR SERVICES.
SO ANYTHING, UH, CONTRACT SKILLED OR UNSKILLED LABOR AS WELL AS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
SO THE VENDOR FILES THE CONFLICT OF VENDORS QUESTIONNAIRE IF THE VENDOR HAS A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CITY AND EMPLOYMENT OR OTHER BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OFFICER OFFICER'S FAMILY.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, UM, AND THAT FAMILY MEMBER RECEIVES TAXABLE INCOME, THAT'S MORE THAN $2,500 RECEIVING 12 TIME, YOU WOULD FILE THE REQUEST HERE ALSO, UM, IF, IF THE VENDOR HAS GIVEN AN OFFICER, AN OFFICER'S FAMILY MEMBER, ONE OR MORE HITS TOTAL, UH, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IN THE PRECEDING 12 MONTHS OR HAS A FAMILY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OFFICER.
SO YOU'RE, BUT THERE'S SOME OF EXCEPTIONS.
IF THE UM, FAMILY RELATIONSHIP IS UM, IT'S UM, IN A CLOSE FAMILY RELATIONSHIP, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTION TO THE CHAPTER 1 76.
SO, UM, AND IF YOU BECOME AWARE OF CHAPTER 1 76, UH, BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITHIN SEVEN DAYS OF THE TIME BECOME AWARE PHILADELPHIA.
SO IF THIS APPLIES TO UM, CITY COUNCIL, THE NEGLECTED OR APPOINTED IT APPLIES TO UM, SOMEBODY IN THE CITY THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE VENDOR THEN CO STATEMENT AND HAVE TO FILE THEIR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SO 1 76 IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK ON WHILE WE STAFF ON SITUATION DO ARRIVE.
WE, BECAUSE THEY ARE EVERYTHING.
SO OUR LAWYER THAT WE SHOULD FILE IT WITHIN SEVEN DAYS.
IF YOU DON'T UM, DO THAT AND FAIL, THEN IT'S EITHER CLASS EIGHT C MISDEMEANOR FOR THE VALIDITY OF THE CONTRACT.
BOTH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, UM, ELECTED APPOINT AND STAFF MEMBERS THAT DEAL WITH THESE CENTERS OR UM, SUBSTANCE TO ACCOUNTS, A FEW OTHERS.
PROPERTY ACQUIRED WITH PUBLIC FUNDS.
IF A PUBLIC SERVANT HAS A LEGAL APPLICABLE INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO FILE AN AFFIDAVIT WITH THE CITY 10 DAYS BEFORE THE DAY THE PROPERTY'S ACQUIRED.
SO BY THE PUBLIC SERVANT, THE PERSON WHO'S LEFTED APPOINTED, EMPLOYED OR DESIGNATED, EVEN IF NOT YET QUALIFIED FOR HAVING ASSUMED TO ASSAULTED.
SO IT COULD BE CANDIDATE TO NOMINATE OR ELECTED ELECTION PUBLIC OFFICE OR AN OFFICER IN THE GO.
SO PUBLIC FUNDS OR FUNDS ARE COLLECTED ON CRUDE GO.
IT SUGGESTS THAT THE PUBLIC SERVANTS REQUIRED TO CLOSE OR INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY DOING THE PROPERTIES TO BE ACQUIRED BY SEPARATE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY ENTITY.
THE PUBLIC SERVINGS NOT, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CASES ON THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS.
BUT UM, WANTED BE AWARE THAT UM, WHEN PROPERTY IS BEING ACQUIRED, IF WHERE THERE'S ANY KIND EFFORT, ONE SOMEBODY NOT GET ELECTED REQUIRED AND IT'S LIMITED TO REAL PROFIT.
SO THE BIG ONE THAT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS CHAPTER 1 45 AND UNTIL DISCLOSURE CITY HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE SO ALL IN CHAPTER 1 75 ONLY APPLIES STUDENTS CITY FOR THE POPULATION OF THE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF AND THEY FILE.
I HAVE TAKE AFFIDAVIT UM, PFS PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT THAT IS UM, ON THE TEXAS ETHICS MISSION WEBSITE
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AND IT DOES HAVE INSTRUCTIONS THAT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, UH, OR THIS UH, PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT WAS DEVELOPED FOR STATE OFFICERS UNDER CHAPTER 5 72 OF THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT.AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY TALKS ABOUT ITS ONLY APPLIES TO THE STATE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILY.
SO WHEN THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO MAKE CITIES WITH POPULATION HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH THEM, UM, CITIES, WE VERY MUCH AGAINST CITY THOUSAND POPULATION HAVE FILED THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE.
SO, UM, RATHER THAN I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 45, UM, THAT'S SET OUT IN THE STATUTE.
AND REALLY THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, A CITY UNDER ENOUGH HUNDRED THOUSAND LOSE FORM.
AND WE DID THE CURRENT GENERAL TAKEN BELIEVE IT SET SO, UM, A PROPOSED ONE TO GIVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ASK FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL TREATMENT.
AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST ISSUE.
THE SECOND ISSUE IS UM, IF WE CAN USE THIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT, DO YOU WANT TO OR DO YOU WANT TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN? I THINK THAT IN PART OF OUR ARGUMENT, UM, IT GETS TO TO THE REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS THAT WE UM, AS A HOMELESS CITY TO BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP A PERSONAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND DECIDE WHAT OFFICE, WHETHER ELECTED ARE APPOINTED FOR CITY DEPARTMENT CITY BE ABLE TO APPLY IT TO AND THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY IT TO AND RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES OF THE REQUEST TO BE TO, YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT A CITY CAN'T DO IT BY ITSELF.
IT JUST SAYS THAT THE LAW ONLY REQUIRES ABOVE HUNDRED
THAT WORD ONLY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF EMPHASIS IN THE TESTIMONY ONLY REQUIRES, ONLY REQUIRES.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR OWN REQUIREMENT ON TOP OF THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY CITIES UNDER A THOUSAND ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT.
IT SAYS IT'S ONLY REQUIRED OVER BUT ONLY COULD BE LIKE, LIKE YOU CAN'T RUN FOR OFFICE.
ONLY PEOPLE OVER 25 CAN RUN FOR A HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE.
SO YOU COULDN'T SAY WELL I COULD ELECT SOMEONE WHO'S UNDER 25 FOR CITY NO BECAUSE ONLY IS NO, BUT I SAY ONLY YOU HAVE ONLY 25 RUN FOR REP.
THEY CAN SAY THAT BUT THEY CAN'T TELL US THAT.
WE CAN'T SAY UNDER 25 90% COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHAT THE EQUIVALENT, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS I SAW THE ISSUE.
IT WAS THAT WE REFERENCED CHAPTER 1 45 IN OUR ORDINANCE.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY WE SAY CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU REDO EVERY ONE OF THESE SHEETS? PLAGIARIZE 'EM CHANGE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FONT, BUT WE WANT THE EXACT SAME FORMS, THE EXACT SAME POLICY AND WE'LL CALL IT CHAPTER ONE OF THE HUDDLE WHATEVER WE PASS THAT THEN THAT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL IS WHAT I HEAR.
OR JUST SAY EXCLUDING 1 45 AND ZERO ONE THAT HAS A PRESCRIPTION, YOU KNOW THAT SAYS ONLY REQUIRED OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, RIGHT.
WE'RE REQUIRING IT FOR OUR CITY PERIOD.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ALMOST AN EASIER FIX IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ABIDE BY THIS THEN INSTEAD OF GOING TO HE ROUTE, WHICH I DON'T MIND GOING PUT THE HE CUZ I LIKE TO SEE HOW IN THE BOOKS.
BUT IF THE KEY IS IS YOU JUST CHANGED THE FORM AND LIKE DAN SAID, YOU CAN SAY INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING ALL CHAPTER 1 45, YOU SAY ALL CHAPTER 1 45 MINUS CHAPTER 1 45 LEVEL ONE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN CUZ THE WHOLE INTENT FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME WAS TO GET US TO FOLLOW WHAT THE BIGGER CITY'S FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU CAN'T HIDE ANYTHING TYPE THING.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS WE WOULD ATTACH IT TO 1 45 SO THAT AS THE STATE CHANGED THEN IT ALL AUTOMAT CHANGE TOO.
BUT THEN IF THAT CAUSED AN ISSUE THEN I THINK THE EASIEST THING IS YOU JUST TAKE OUT THAT ONE REFERENCE THEN THAT WAY.
UM, YEAH AND THEN WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DEVELOPMENT FORM AND MAINTAIN A FORM AND ALL THAT GOES WITH THAT.
WE'RE JUST USING THE PERFORMANCE FREE AND IT'S UP CAUSE IT'S A PAIN TO FILL OUT.
WELL THE OTHER THING TOO IS IN YOUR UM, ETHICS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS LOOK AT UNDER YOUR POLICY IF YOU REALLY WANNA JUST REQUIRE DISCLOSURE OF SETS OF DIFFERENT CANDIDATES AND APPOINTEES AND PRIVATE FINANCIAL AND OTHER INTEREST AND MATTERS OF TEXAS.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS BECAUSE WE HAVE
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SO MANY LAWS ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE ANYWAY AND FORMS TO FILL OUT, SHOULD YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FORM AND IF THE CHOOSE FORM, WHAT SORTS OF PRIVATE FINANCIAL MATTERS DO YOU WANNA REQUIRE DISCLOSURE AND THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT APPLY IT TO, WILL WANNA APPLY IT TO CANADA 25 PER OFFICE? DO YOU WANT APPLY EM TO ONLY BOARDS THAT HAVE A UM, ADVISORY POINTS? I THINK THE QUESTION WE APPLY TO IS, IS ABOUT ONE WE REALLY NEED TO DIG INTO.UM, I THINK THE QUESTION OF WHAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOUGH, WE'RE GETTING INTO HAVING TO DO WHAT, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH ON WHETHER IT'S OKAY TO ASK FOR A CERTAIN PIECE OF INFORMATION OR NOT.
AND IF IT STATE'S ALREADY DONE ALL THAT AND HAS A FORM AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T, I DON'T WANT OPINION NOT IT TAKES FOREVER.
BUT EITHER WE, I I THINK IF IT USE THE STATE FORM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK DEVELOP FORM TO ME THAT'S NOT A GREAT THING.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I'LL BE HONEST NAIA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AS A FINANCIAL, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? A FINANCIAL WORK.
ANYTHING THAT'S FINANCIALLY NOTICED THAT'S NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IN THIS.
I MEAN THIS IS GOT, IF YOU OWN A HOUSE THAT'S A PAGE.
IF YOU OWE MONEY ON A HOUSE, THAT'S A PAGE THAT TELLS YOU BANKS, I MEAN PEOPLE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR BANKS, YOUR STOCKS, YOUR BROKERAGE, UM, YOUR KIDS, UH, ANY CUSTODIAL ACCOUNTS, I MEAN TO WHERE IF YOU DID AROUND THAT YOU'LL GET AROUND IN AT THAT POINT YOU COULD JUST BE LYING.
UM, WHICH THIS WHOLE THING IS BASED ON PEOPLE GETTING HONEST KITCHEN.
YOU CAN ALWAYS LIE AND WAIT FOR SENDING AMOUNT.
SOMEBODY PAY 500 BUCKS OR SOMETHING IN THE CITY.
THE VIOLATION I DIDN'T SEE THERE LAST TIME I LOOKED WAS CRYPTOCURRENCY IT ON BEHALF.
SO IT'S SOMETHING INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, UM, MARRIED, UM, CHILDREN, UH, UM OH I GOTCHA.
LIKE, UH, YEAH, THAT'S SO A DEPENDENT CHILD'S ME IS SOMEBODY 18.
AND THE ONLY REASON, LIKE I WAS ONLY PEOPLE THAT PUSHED THAT.
THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT WAS I DIDN'T WANT TO BE QUITE HONEST THE LEADER OF THE CITY PUTTING ASSETS IN A KID'S NAME BECAUSE AS WEIRD THINGS ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE EVER FOUND OUT THAT AN EIGHT YEAR OLD KID DID A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT, IT'D COME BACK THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER GONNA KNOW ABOUT.
UM, A MOTHER-IN-LAW'S COUSIN OR A NEPHEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THAT POINT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FINANCIAL, THE THE, THE OTHER, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHERE YOUR UH, THOUGHT THE UH, CONFLICT VENTURES ONE COMES IN.
HAVING A PERSONAL FINANCIAL EVENT WHETHER WE USE THIS OR DEVELOP OUR OWN.
I GUESS WHERE WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IS, IS ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
IT DOES HAVE A SECTION, I THINK IT IS KIND OF REPETITIVE.
THERE'S, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAN, BUT UM, IT DOES ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY PRIVATE FINANCIAL OR INTERESTS AFFECTING THE CITY AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS OR THEY MAY BE INTIMIDATED TO APPLY COMING UPON THIS QUESTION.
AND I THINK IT IS ASKING MAYBE TWICE ON THE, I'LL HAVE TO, UM, PULL IT UP WITH AN APPLICATION.
SO IT'S LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO INTIMIDATE AND, AND PUSH PEOPLE AWAY FROM WANTING TO CERTAINLY, UM, ON OUR BOARD DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH, WITH THIS RIGHT HERE, WHICH I'M ALL FOR, BUT THERE'S KIND OF OTHER SIDES THINK OUTSIDE OF US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND UH, CITY, CITY MANAGER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
JUST, THAT'S KIND OF MY PERSPECTIVE.
I COULD SEE TC BEING REQUIRED TO CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT UM, WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY GET INTO STEERING DECISION MAKING ON WHETHER IT BE CONTRACTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN I THINK THEY NEED TO.
AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF, BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS ANYBODY WHO CAN SWAY AND WALK INTO A COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU GUYS REALLY OUGHT TO GO WITH COMPANY A.
WELL, I WANNA KNOW, DO THEY HAVE ANY FINANCIAL THINGS MOTIVATING THEM? EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE HAVE BOARD, I DON'T MIND P AND Z I'M A LITTLE ON THE FENCE ABOUT BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU GET INTO PLANNING AND THEY DO SERVE AS AN ADVISORY BOARD AND WE DO TAKE A LOT OF WHAT THEY SAY AND GO, WELL THEY SAY THAT AND BUT AGAIN, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WOULD COVER THAT.
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UH, AND SO IT IS ADVISORY, NOT DECISION MAKING.UM, PLANNING WE DON'T HAVE, UM, OUR PNC BOARD IS NOT MADE UP OF PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE ACTIVELY WORKING IN OUR CITY.
BUT OTHER CITIES HAVE PNC BOARDS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE CIVIL ENGINEERS THAT ARE ON THERE, MULTIPLE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE DRAFTING AND GROWING AND, AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ALL THE BUSINESS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE KEEPING TRACK AND EXCLUDING AND EXCUSING EACH OTHER.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT POINT.
BUT I DO FEEL LIKE AS WE GET MORE MA MATURE CITY, UM, EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE, AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEING SOME ON PNC NOW WE HAVE PROJECT MANAGER, A CIVIL ENGINEER.
I THINK WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT'S ON THERE.
WE HAVE REAL ESTATE, REAL ESTATE.
UM, EVEN ON THE C ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, WE HAD A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT JOIN IN ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS AND I FELT GOOD ABOUT 'EM BECAUSE THEIR CONCERN ABOUT JOINING WAS THAT POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND THEY REPRESENT PEOPLE.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEN AFTER LIKE NINE MONTHS THEY LEFT CUZ IT TOO MUCH ACTIVITY.
BUT UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT INTIMIDATES PEOPLE.
I MAYBE JUST, UH, JUST HAVING THE INFORMATION WITH OUR PACKET MAYBE.
HAVING LIKE AN EXTRA PAGE THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF A BLANKET STATEMENT.
CAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY JUST BE LIKE, OH NO I DON'T.
BUT THEN ONCE THEY START, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE APPOINTED AND START INSURANCE SURVEY, THEN THEY'RE LIKE, OH BABY.
OR IF THEY GO THROUGH A TRAINING LIKE NEXT THURSDAY MM-HMM
BUT THEN THEY COULD SEPARATED RIGHT THEN THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEIR INFORMATION AFTER PEOPLE TOO.
SEE I CAN SEE SOME PEOPLE GOING, I I DON'T WANNA DISCLOSE ALL THAT AND EXACTLY, YEAH.
IF I'M WITH IT, I JUST DON'T WANT SERVING ON A, A DECISION MAKING BOARD.
AND SO IF THE PERSON SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'LL ONLY SERVE, SEE IF I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THAT, THEN TO ME THE RED FLAG GOES UP AND THAT'S IMMEDIATE LIKE, HEY, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WON'T AND THAT'S GREAT AND SO WE MAY LOSE SOME GOOD CANDIDATES.
BUT I THINK ALSO THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR BOARDS AS THEY GROW, I THINK IN A LOT OF INDUSTRIES YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE ALL THAT STUFF ANYWAY.
AND SO FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S SECOND NATURE.
BUT LIKE EVEN OUR EDC NOW WE HAVE COMMERCIAL BANKER, WELL THAT BANK WAS INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS WITH THEM COMING.
I'D WANNA KNOW THAT CUZ POTENTIALLY THEY'RE THE LENDER.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHO ELSE WE HAVE ON THERE THAT I KNOW IT NOT AS BAD AS IT ONCE WAS, BUT WHO ELSE THAT WOULD BE IN THERE? PERSON WHO RUNS A COMPANY THAT COULD ALWAYS EXPAND HERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE ON HERE.
I THINK WE COULD FIX MOST OF IT WITH THE ORDINANCE.
JUST SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN EDC I THINK PROBABLY USE WAY TO GET THEM ON THE WORD IS TRYING TO GET IT TO BE CHANGING THE TIES AND WITH THEM REQUIRED TO THEMSELVES, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE S SO NICELY ASK.
HOW ABOUT DISCUSSION? YOU SAID ANYTHING? I THINK THAT FOR ME IT WAS THE LOOKING AT THE PAGE ALSO LINES WERE ALL TERM FUNDS LIKE THE MARCH 15TH, UNLESS IT OCCURS BEFORE THE ELECTION.
FOR ME IT WAS LIKE, HOW WAS IT DUE BEFORE? YOUR KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT WAS VERY, THAT'S DIFFICULT.
SO THERE WERE OTHER PARTS OF IT THAT WERE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH FOR ME ABOUT THE DISCLOSURE.
FOR ME, THEY, THAT WOULD TURN ME OFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN TODAY DAY AND AGE AND IDENTIFY THAT CAUSE MY INFORMATION AND I KNOW THEY CAN REDACT IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR ME, THE KIDS' INFORMATION IS MY BIGGEST KIND OF STICKLER POINT FOR ME.
UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THE ACTUAL FORM ITSELF, IT WAS UM, JUST THE TIMELINE OF WHEN IT WAS DUE AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF WOULD BE HAVING AN ORDINANCE.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT ENGLISH REMATCHED, IT WAS VERY BROKEN.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT SAYING I AM OKAY WITH DEPENDENT CHILD THAT IF YOU HAD TO WRITE LIKE DEPENDENT CHILD ONE, DEPENDENT CHILD TWO DEPENDENT THREE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THE NAMES BECAUSE IF YOU FIND OUT ONE OF MY KIDS OWNS PROPERTY OR A BUSINESS AND IS INVOLVED IN BUSINESS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, THE NAME OF IT DOESN'T MATTER.
ALL THE MATTERS IS THAT ONE OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING BUSINESS IF THE CITY AND I DIDN'T DISCLOSE IT, SO I, I COULD, IF WE REDO IT, I COULD TOTALLY SEE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE TO PUT LIKE WHATEVER, LIKE WRITE OUT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
DAUGHTER A WHATEVER OF A DEPENDENT CHILD JUST REQUIRED.
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OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE WHEN ONE OF MY, I TOOK, I TOOK HER OFF AND THEN MY SON TURNED 18.I WAS LIKE, THAT'S ONE WORRY ABOUT HE'S GONE.
WELL, AS FAR AS THE TOPIC WITH AN OFFICIAL, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE KID WHO OWNS IT, IT'S THE ONE DOING THE BUSINESS OR IF ANOTHER KID WHO DOING BUSINESS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T HELP IF IT'S, OH WELL MY BROTHER OWNS IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL ALL THE SAME TOPIC, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE DATES.
IF THE DATES ARE SET UP, I IT'S CONFUSING YOU THAT ON THE BACK, THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LIKE 30 DAYS BEFORE 15 SEVEN UNLESS YOU'RE NOT RUNNING.
AND THEN SO IF WE MADE THAT MORE STREAMLINED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT TO WORK, THE CITY SECRETARY HAS TO COLLECT 'EM ALL AND THEN ONCE YOU'VE DONE SENDS 'EM OUT TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND POST 'EM ON THE WEBSITE.
WELL THESE DON'T GET POACHED FROM PUBLIC.
THESE ARE, YOU HAVE TO DO A QUITE A REQUEST, WHICH I'D LIKE TO HAVE 'EM JUST BE PUT ON THE WEBSITE.
WELL NO, YOU WOULDN'T PUT OUT EVERY STOCK YOU OWN.
THEY DON'T DO THIS IS ALWAYS, AND THERE'S LAWS THAT SAYS HOW THIS IS HANDLED.
FINANCE IS ALWAYS DON'T TALKING THIS.
SO IF YOU OWN STOCK, YOU CAN PUT LESS THAN A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED TO 4 99, 500 TO A THOUSAND.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW LIKE I OWN CRACKER OWN STOCK.
WOULD IT NOT BE IN PORT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT I OWN SAY 5,000 SHARES BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I GOT THIS HOT THING I'M RUNNING TO DDC TO GET A CRACKER BARREL HERE.
YOU SHOULDN'T EXCLUDING YOURSELF, YOU FROM A SIGNIFICANT STATE, IT'S FIVE OR 10%.
NO, I'M SAYING YOU'RE GOING ON CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I'M TALKING PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, BUT WHETHER ONE ADDITIONAL STORE OPENS ISN'T GONNA AFFECT THE STARBUCKS.
SO WHAT I HEAR IS THAT WE WEWORK LUNCH BASED ON THE COMMENT, MAKE SURE WE GET THE TIMING CORRECT, ORDINANCE CITY SECRETARY'S GONNA BE, I STILL THINK WE SHOULD ASK EXECUTIVE I WAS JUST GONNA SAY JUST TO LIMIT IT, THE, LIKE DOES HE MAKE IT MORE LIKE, LIKE I PARKS? YEAH, SO I MEAN ONE OF THOSE JUST LAST THING ON THE SOCK, LOT OF TIMES YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETIMES, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, TESLA SPLIT THIRD TALKING TWICE THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO A HUNDRED SPLIT IT AND SPLIT IT AGAIN.
SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, FOR ME WHO'S NOT A FINANCIAL PERSON TO KNOW OKAY, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT'S MORE IF YOU'RE OFF BY A HUNDRED OR 200, YEAH THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE 200 AND YOU HAVE 20,000 AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY A 15 MILLION PERSON, THEN I, I THINK ALL MISTAKES MADE YOU GO TO TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION OR EVEN TO OUR ETHICS BOARD.
I THINK THEY'RE HONEST MISTAKES, ACCIDENTAL.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BRI ANYBODY OVER IT, BUT IF IT'S A, AND I THINK I KNOW WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT, UM, I GUESS WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
WE'LL ADJOURN THIS, GO THROUGH THAT AND WE CAN FINISH UP THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE OTHER PARTS SOJOURN AT 6 32.