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S FOR THURSDAY, APRIL 6TH, 2023 TO ORDER ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER SEVEN.
GORDON COUNCILMAN MCKENZIE COUNCIL EVERY
[3.1. Emory Farms Arch Concept Plan Update (Matt Rector)]
FARMS ARCH CONCEPT PLAN UPDATE.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, SO I'M GONNA DO A QUICK INTRODUCTION AND THEN I'M GONNA PAN IT OFF TO THE STUDIO 1619 TEAM.
UH, SO AS YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE AWARE THAN I AM, THIS PROJECT HAS KIND OF BEEN ONGOING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, AND, UM, I BELIEVE BACK IN 21, LATE 21, EARLY 22, SOMETIME IN THAT TIMEFRAME, UH, A CONCEPT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU AND, UH, A GENERAL COST ESTIMATE.
AND, UM, WE'VE ASKED SI, STUDIO 1619 TO COME IN AND TRY TO UPDATE THAT AND GIVE US SOME BETTER OPTIONS.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JONATHAN AND BRETT FROM CITY OF 1619.
AND THEY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH KIND OF THEIR PROCESS, UH, WHAT KIND OF CONCEPTS THEY'VE COME UP WITH, AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE WITH THAT.
WHO'S ON THE, UH, CLIP GROUP? HI, EVENING MAYOR.
UH, MY NAME'S JONATHAN WAGNER.
AS MATT SAID, UH, MY PRINCIPAL WAS STUDIO 1619, UH, ALSO HERE AS PRINCE BAKER'S MANAGING PRINCIPAL FOR THE FIRM.
UH, AND, AND AS MATT, UH, MATT MENTIONED, UH, SO WE WERE BROUGHT ON, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ACTING AT THAT TIME, CITY ENGINEER.
WE HAD BEEN, UH, WHO WAS WITH GARBER, YOU KNOW, UM, AND HE WAS, UH, BROUGHT US ON TO EXPLORE THESE OPTIONS.
UM, I GUESS SEVERAL OF YOU ARE INTIMATELY AWARE OF, UM, THE ISSUE AT EMORY FARMS, UH, SPECIFICALLY AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND SO OVER, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF WEEKS, UH, WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM WHAT OPTIONS MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE, UH, AND JUST CAME TODAY.
UH, BASICALLY AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHOLE PROCESS WENT THROUGH, UH, WITH A SERIES OF CONCEPTS THAT WE THINK COULD HELP ADDRESS, UM, COULD HELP ADDRESS THE ISSUES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY ALL FOUR OF 'EM HAVE COST IMPLICATIONS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK DRIVERS, WHICH IS THE MAIN ISSUE AT HAND HERE, UM, YOU'RE DEALING WITH BEHAVIOR THAT IS KIND OF UNPREDICTABLE OR CAN BE UNPREDICTABLE.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE TRY, UH, THROUGH SOME OF THESE EXPLORATORY CONCEPTS, UH, IT MAY NOT SOLVE THE BEHAVIOR COMPLETELY.
SO I THINK THAT'S, WE WANT TO JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL CONCEPTS, SO THEY'RE FLEXIBLE IN NATURE.
UH, IF THERE ARE THINGS OR CONCEPTS THAT, OR DISCUSSION POINTS OR FEEDBACK, WE CAN EXPLORE THOSE WITH, WITH MATT AND HIS TEAM.
SO THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDES.
UM, SO WE JUST WENT THROUGH KIND OF AN OVERVIEW, UH, OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OUT THERE, UH, AND THEN GO INTO BASICALLY FOUR STRATEGIES.
SO, SO, UH, AGAIN, MANY OF YOU ARE LIKELY AWARE OF, UH, THE CONDITION OUT THERE.
SO AT SCHNEIDER, UH, IS BASICALLY THE, THE THREE-WAY INTERSECTION OF ALLIANCE SCHNEIDER AND EMORY FARMS, UH, WHERE THE, UH, WESTERN INDUSTRY, UH, DRIVEWAY EXITS INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.
UH, THAT ROUNDABOUT WAS INSTALLED, ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO REROUTE LARGE TRUCKS OUT OF WESTERN INDUSTRY'S PARKING LOT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, HOWEVER, DUE TO THE SIZE THAT IT WAS INSTALLED, IT'S REALLY NOT MANEUVERABLE.
IT'S NOT MANEUVERABLE FOR LARGE TRUCKS.
AND SO THEY REALLY TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS TO CUT STRAIGHT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY'RE MOUNTING THE CURB ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, UM, OR ACTUALLY HUGE RUTS.
I ACTUALLY JUST DROVE OUT THERE JUST TO GET MY EYES ON ONE LAST TIME.
UH, AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING THAT MOVEMENT, THEY'RE CUTTING ACROSS, BASICALLY GOING AGAINST TRAFFIC SOUTHBOUND ON ALLIANCE.
SO THE WHOLE INTERSECTION KIND OF JUST NEEDS, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD LOOK.
UM, AND THEY'RE REALLY JUST HAVING A HARD TIME KIND OF USING THE ROUNDABOUT AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED BASED ON THE SIZE.
UM, AND HERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF YOU.
YEAH, THERE'S CURRENT VIEWS THERE.
UH, IF YOU'RE ALL, IF NO ONE'S FAMILIAR WITH IT THERE.
UM, SO NEXT, UM, SO WE LOOKED AT BASICALLY FOUR STRATEGIES, UM, TO HELP INFLUENCE, UH, DRIVERS, UH, TO KIND OF AVOID GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL.
WE WENT WITH A FULL SPAN GATEWAY, UH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTS THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, RECOMMENDED TO US THAT WE WANTED TO EXPLORE.
WE WENT WITH A NARROWED WIDTH, UH, COLUMN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND
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GATEWAY, WHICH BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST BROUGHT THINGS DOWN, KIND OF MADE THINGS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.UM, IT'S BOTH A, BOTH A VISUAL AND A, UM, SIZE DETERRENT.
UH, THE THIRD CONCEPT BEING A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE WITH A SINGLE COLUMN WITH A SIGN THAT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE OF EMERY FARMS. UH, AND THEN POTENTIALLY, AND, YOU KNOW, THE MOST COSTLY, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S THE ACTUAL ENLARGEMENT OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UH, AND THE RELOCATION OF THE HIPPO.
SO IT'S A FULLY MOUNTABLE CURVE.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE ITEMS. I, I'LL PAUSE JUST RIGHT HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS NEEDED BEFORE WE GO INTO THE ACTUAL DESIGN STRATEGIES.
DO YOU HAVE COST ASSOCIA DAVID? WE DO.
SO, SO, UH, MOVING INTO THE DESIGN STRATEGY.
SO THE FIRST ONE, AS I MENTIONED, WAS FULL SPANN GATEWAY.
UH, THIS WOULD BRING IN SOME OF THAT MATERIALITY FROM THE EXISTING SCIENCE, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, ONE THING I NOTICED THAT ON THE EAST SIDE AT THAT ENTRY, THERE'S A NO TRUCK SIGN, UH, BUT THERE'S NOT ON THIS SIDE.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WOULD RECOMMEND.
THAT MIGHT BE A $20 TRIP TO HOME DEPOT.
YOU CAN JUST GO PUT THOSE OUT.
MIGHT BE THE QUICKEST THING WE COULD DO, UM, IN THE MEANTIME.
UH, BUT, UH, SO ONE THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERATE OF WITH THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, YOU REALLY CAN'T RESTRICT HEIGHT TO A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, LEVEL TO RESTRICT YOUR FEDEX TRUCKS AND UPS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE CAN TRY TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES, RIGHT? FIRE, FIRE TRUCKS.
UH, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE, THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT CLEARANCE, UH, TO EFFECTIVELY DETER TRAFFIC, UH, WITHOUT LIMITING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE USABILITY OF CITY SERVICES.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY STANDARD HEIGHT THOUGH, RIGHT? THE FEDEX ARE LIKE 14.6 FEET, RIGHT? SOMETHING AROUND ABOUT, EXACTLY.
BUT THERE'S, IT'S NOT A LOT OF, IT'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, YOU KNOW, FOR A, FOR A TRUCK OR FOR A, YOU KNOW, WESTERN, UH, INDUSTRY'S TRUCK.
SO IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE EXPLORED FURTHER.
UM, BUT THIS REALLY JUST SERVES AS A VISUAL DETERRENT MORE THAN ANYTHING AT ITS CURRENT HEIGHT.
UH, WHICH MAY BE ENOUGH, FRANKLY.
IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT THERE'S A CUTOFF.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO IN THIS WAY.
UH, AND IT FORCES THEM TO KIND OF CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR, UM, OR WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK SO.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THIS IS A VERY COSTLY, UH, ITEM.
WE'RE SPANNING, YOU KNOW, WELL OVER 50 FEET, UH, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG STRUCTURE NEEDED.
UH, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME LARGE COLUMNS, SOME LARGE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, THERE'S VERY LIMITED OPEN SPACE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, UH, FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS AND THAT STRUCTURAL MEMBER.
UH, WE'D ALSO HAVE TO KIND OF REROUTE THE SIDEWALK, THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS THAT'S THERE IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE COLUMN PLACEMENTS.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A WATERWAY, WHICH YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IN THE FRONT OF THE IMAGE.
UH, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A WATER COURSE JUST HAPPENING THERE AS WE'D WANT.
MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T INHIBIT, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO THE PLACEMENT OF THAT HAS TO BE VERY CRITICAL.
UH, AND THEN, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT REALLY DOESN'T DETER LARGE VEHICLES FROM DRIVING THROUGH IT UNLESS WE CAN FIND THAT SWEET SPOT WITH THE HEIGHT, UH, WHATEVER'S ALLOWABLE WITHIN THE CITY OF RESTRICTIONS.
QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PRICING HERE SHORTLY.
DO THE SIGNS HAVE TO GO ON THE ORDER ITSELF? NO, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
I'M JUST THINKING, I THINK IF LIKE RESIDENTS AND VISUAL APPEAL, LIKE I PERSONALLY PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE THIS.
AND THESE ARE CONCEPTS AND IDEAS THAT WILL BE EXPLORED AS THE DESIGN PHASE FURTHERS.
THOSE COULD BE SET SEPARATELY AND EVEN SET FORWARD, UM, CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION.
I LIKE THE, THAT'S THE BEST OPTION TO RELOCATE, TO HIT THOSE THAT'S NOT, SORRY, SAW THE, I SAW.
UH, SO THE SECOND OPTION, UH, IS A, UH, REDUCED WIDTH, UH, LANE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE.
UM, SO THIS REALLY JUST THE PROS OF THIS WOULD BE PUSHING THE CURB OUT TO MINIMIZE THE PAVEMENT WIDTH TO ABOUT 22 FEET.
UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN ATTRACTIVE DETERRENT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT TRUCKS ARE LEAVING WESTERN.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THE PARKING LOT OR THAT DRIVEWAY, THEY'RE MAKING A TURN TURNING MOVEMENT THAT THIS MAY NOT ALLOW THEM TO GET AS WIDE AS THEY NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN REFORMS IS VERY WIDE.
UM, SO THIS, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT THAT TURNING MOVEMENT.
UH, IT ALSO CREATES THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES ON BOTH SIDES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LAST CONCEPT WHERE IT'S VERY LIMITED.
UH, AND IT'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, STRONG
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ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UH, IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY STILL CONFLICT WITH THE WATERWAY, UM, AND BACKYARDS AND FRONT YARDS POTENTIALLY.
WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE PROPERTY LINES ARE HAPPENING AND, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY IRRIGATION THAT'S IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
IT WOULD BE CHEAPER THAN OPTION ONE, BUT STILL IS COST PROHIBITIVE FOR A SPAN OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED EARLY ON WAS, WHY DIDN'T WE BRING IT, THE, THE SIGN CLOSER TO THE ROUNDABOUT? AND THE REASON WE CAN'T IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, UNDERGROUND, UM, THE CULVERT THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.
THE, THE FOOTINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THESE LARGE SIGNS WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE CURRENT CULVERTS WERE THERE AND SORT OF THAT DRAINAGE WAY.
SO WE HAD TO PUSH THE SIGN BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE, WHICH MAKES IT ALMOST NICK TO THOSE HOUSES.
SO THOSE HOUSES WOULDN'T SEE THESE GIANT COLUMNS OUTSIDE THEIR, THEIR HOUSE.
AND SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD TO PUSH IT BACK TO GET THE, TO CLEAR FOR THE FOOTING CLEARANCE UNDERNEATH THOSE AS A CULVERTS SITTING INTER INTERSECT WITH EACH OTHER.
LET'S SORT OF SEE THAT COHORT HAPPENING HERE, HERE, THAT'S THE CENTER LINE OF THAT COHORT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO PUSH IT BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT WAS THE IDEA BEFORE WAS LIKE, CAN WE BRING THIS FORWARD? AND WE'RE LIKE, REALLY CAN'T.
CAUSE IF NOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERY COSTLY, BUT ALSO INTERRUPTING THAT BRANDISH CHANNEL.
UH, OPTION THREE, UH, AGAIN, IS, IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE, UM, OPTION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY FUNCTIONAL.
WE THINK THAT THIS ALSO REDUCES THE WIDTH.
UH, IT'S AGAIN, A VERY STRONG VISUAL DETERRENT TO MAKING MOVEMENTS.
UM, IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE AVAILABLE SPACE.
UH, IT'S LEAVING KIND OF THE EDGES AS IS.
AND WE'RE JUST CARVING OUT THE CENTRAL SPACE OF EMORY FARMS, UH, TO MATCH THE MEDIUM THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO YOU GET THIS MIRRORED EFFECT, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THEN THAT SIGN COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, MATCH THE FLAVOR OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
UM, THAT APPARENT REDUCTION IN WIDTH, AGAIN WOULD DETER, YOU KNOW, APPEAR TO DETER TRUCKS FROM TRAVELING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, REALLY THE ONLY CON WITH THIS ONE, ASIDE FROM SOME COST FOR THE SIGN PIECE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE MAINTENANCE OF ANY LANDSCAPE THAT'S IN THERE.
UM, YOU MIGHT ALSO SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, VERY DETERMINED TRUCK DRIVERS DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND THEN YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS JUST DRIVING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION.
BUT I THINK SOME, YOU KNOW, WELL PLACED BOULDERS MIGHT BE A GOOD DETER FOR THAT TOO.
I, THERE IT WAS CLOSED AND JUST TO BE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
UNLESS THERE'S AN HOA OR POA ASSOCIATE WAY.
SO THAT MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSA, IT IS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION POINT I THINK BETWEEN THE HOA, IF THAT'S
ATTRACTIVE FOR IF I LIVED IN EMORY FARM.
AND IT KEEPS THE HIPPO THERE AND KEEPS THE KIND OF THE CONCEPT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT BIG HIPPO WOULD BE A BIG DETERRENT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO IS ACTUALLY ON, ON ON NUMBER FOUR, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, ACTUALLY RELOCATING THE HIPPO.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANNA EXPLORE ALREADY, UH, AS PART OF NUMBER THREE, UH, BECAUSE IT KIND OF GIVES IT A PLACE.
UH, WHEREAS NOW THE HIPPO IS KIND OF JUST OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ROUNDABOUT AND IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN NICE SWORD, UH, TO HAVE THESE BALLARD SURROUNDING IT.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS ALLOWS IT KIND OF THIS PLACE TO LIVE THE HABITAT ALSO THE HIPPO WAS REMOVED, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THEM TO DRIVE OVER OVER IT AND WE COULD MAKE THAT A FULLY MOUNTABLE ROUNDABOUT ESSENTIALLY.
SO YOU SAID THAT A FEW TIMES, IF THE IDEA IS STOP TRUCKS USING SOMETHING AND YOU, AND COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THEN PUT MALLABLE CURVES AND THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE OVER BECAUSE IT ALLOWS 'EM TO TURN AROUND, IT ALLOWS 'EM TO TURN AROUND WHEN THEY REALIZE THEY CAN'T GO THAT WAY, THEY CAN TURN AROUND.
SO THEN WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY JUST KEEP GOING OR THEY TURN DOWN ON A LINE BOULEVARD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO DO THAT.
SO BY MOVING THE HIPPO, THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO TURN AROUND ANDT GO THIS WAY, BALLARDS OUT OF THE CENTER AS WELL, AND MAKE IT TRULY LIKE MORE OF A MOUNTABLE ROUNDABOUT.
SO WHEN THE TRUCKS DO COME OUT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO OVER IT AND JUST KEEP GOING STRAIGHT VERSUS TURNING INTO EMORY FARMS. RIGHT.
OR THEY JUST MOUNT IT AND DRIVE INTO EMORY FARMS. I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE WIDTH BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPE MEDIAN, THE LANDSCAPE MEDIA.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO DOWN.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS IT SEEMS NARROWER AND BECAUSE IT SEEMS NARROWER, THAT MAKES PEOPLE NOT WANT TO GO DOWN IT.
NARROWER BECAUSE THE MIDDLE IS NOW FILLED WITH, BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT.
THERE'S THE IDEA THAT IT, IT LOOKS NARROWER.
AND SO JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS TIGHTER, I WON'T DRIVE DOWN THERE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH ON ME.
SO I'M LIKE, DO YOU REALLY DETER?
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BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SIGNS LITTERED GOING WESTBOUND IN AND TRUCKS KEEP GOING WESTBOUND INTO THIS.AND SO THEY KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T, CUZ THERE'S PLENTY OF SIGNS AND THEY DON'T TURN AROUND.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT BASICAL, WE CAN'T NOW BECAUSE THE DOLLS AND THE HIP ARE IN THE WAY.
SO THERE ISN'T ANOTHER CHOICE THAT'S HARD TO WELL NO, YOU CAN, YOU CAN COMPLETE TURN AROUND THE WAY IT'S SET UP TODAY.
YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT THROUGH AND NOT EVEN HARDLY TURN BECAUSE, UH, ROUNDABOUT IS ACTUALLY PUT, IT'S OFFSET ALL CENTER TO WHERE CORRECT.
IT'S, I LOOK AT IT LIKE IT'S, WE PUT AROUNDABOUT IN, BUT WE DID IT IN A WAY NOT TO DETER TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT TO SAY THAT WE DID IT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND WITH THIS ACTUAL CONCEPT, WE, WE WERE SHOWING A PROPOSED, IF YOU FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE LAST TWO, ALL I'M SUPPOSED IS IF WE PUT A BUNCH OF MOUNTABLE CURBS, YOU CAN SKI.
WHAT DETERS THEM IS THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY BLEW AN AXLE CUZ THEY HIT A BOULDER.
THEY, THEY HAVE NOW JUST TAKEN OFF THE SIDE OF THE TRAILER BECAUSE IT'S TOO TIGHT.
BUT THERE'S A VIDEO WHERE THE GUY, THE PEOPLE KEEP DRIVING INTO A BRIDGE CONSTANTLY AND IT'S TOO LOW AND THAT DOESN'T DETER THEM.
THERE'S STILL PEOPLE HITTING IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S EVEN A WAY TO DETER PEOPLE FROM DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT, WELL, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS GOING ON THE TOLL ROAD.
SOME, SOME PEOPLE BLOW THROUGH THOSE LANES AT 60 MILES AN HOUR BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IT LOOKS NARROW.
SOME PEOPLE GET UP THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I GOTTA GO LIKE 15 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH THERE.
AND IF YOU DRIVE EVERY DAY, YOU GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
YOU GET A LITTLE FASTER, A LITTLE FASTER.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
YOU JUST DRIVE RIGHT THROUGH IT.
I'M NOT AGAINST SPIN THE HIP, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE MAKE IT ALL MATT, WE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST MAKE IT JUST AN ASPHALT.
AND NOT HAVE A MAKE KNEES EASIER FOR 'EM.
AND THEN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FINALLY, WE SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY AND THEN THERE'S STILL TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THERE.
I THINK YOU, IF THAT'S THE POINT AND THE HIPPO GETS RELOCATED AND THIS JUST BECOMES FLAT ASPHALT, YOU REMOVED THE ROOM BACK COMPLETELY, ESSENTIALLY.
OR THIS, YOU KNOW, COULD IT BECOME A FOUR-WAY STOP AT THAT TIME? YOU KNOW, STOP SIGN MM-HMM
BUT YOU KNOW, FRANKLY JUST THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AS IT WAS CURRENTLY DESIGNED JUST WASN'T BIG ENOUGH TO FACILITATE THE MOVEMENT AS IT WAS DESIGNED.
UM, AND THIS LAST CONCEPT WOULD EXPAND THAT TO 90 FEET CLEAR, UH, WHICH WOULD HELP FACILITATE THAT MOVEMENT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IT'S BY FAR THE MOST COSTLY OPTION.
JUST CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF DEMO.
WE'RE ALSO ENCROACHING INTO, UM, WESTERN INDUSTRY'S PROPERTY WITH THIS.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED WITH THEM.
UM, YEAH, SO YOU HAVE MORE PROPERTY THERE THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER SIDE SIDE AND SO THAT IT'D BE TOUGHER TO KIND OF ADD A CULVERT ON THE YEAST AS WELL.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIRECTION WE CAN GO.
I THINK A FOUR WEEKS STOP MAKES SOME SENSE AND THE BENEFIT YOU GET IS EVERY DIRECTION APPROACHING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SIGN THERE WHERE SOMEBODY HAS TO STOP.
THEY HAVE TO SEE A SIGN SAYING YOU CAN'T TURN THAT WAY.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO INTENTIONALLY GO PAST IT.
THEY CAN'T, OH IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.
IT WAS, YOU'RE AT A STOP SIGN.
THE SIGN SAYS DON'T GO THAT WAY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE STRIPING ON THE GROUND LIKE WE'RE SHOWING HERE TOO.
THE STRIPING ALSO HELPS HOW TO DICTATE THE PATH OF TRAVEL TOO.
SO WHETHER YOU KEEP THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU JUST RE STRIPE, YOU KNOW, WITH A MEDIAN OR SOME SORT, THERE'S SOME OTHER VISUAL DETERRENT, UH, A LANE DIET THAT WE, IT WILL, THAT IT ALSO HELPS THE STRIPING ON THE GROUND, THE TRUCK DRIVER REALIZING, OH I CAN'T GO THIS WAY.
I IT, THE ARROWS POINTING ME THIS WAY.
UH, CUZ THE CURRENT ENGINE DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
DOES THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC DEVICES ON THE GROUND CAN ALSO HELP WITH FLOW OF TRAFFIC TOO.
YOU GUYS HAVE AN AERIAL AT THE PARK.
LIKE HOW MUCH DOES, HOW MUCH DOES THE WESTERN INDUSTRY'S PARKING LOT HIGH INTO OTHER PARKING LOTS? SO DID YOU JUST CLOSED OFF THE ACCESS? WE DON'T INDUSTRIES.
I DIDN'T ZOOM THAT MAP ON THERE, BUT IF WE CAN PULL UP THE PEOPLE MAP, IS IT WEIRD TO YOU GUYS TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY LIKE, LIKE THAT ON A ROUNDABOUT? IT IS AWKWARD.
ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING OFFSET LIKE IT IS.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE TO DRIVE PAST KIND OF THE, THE MORE FINISHED SIDES OF THE BUILDING WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S POTENTIALLY PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT.
IT'S NOT AS, IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD THEY GO THAT WAY THOUGH.
WE'LL IF YOU CLOSE DOWN THAT ENTRANCE, THAT EXIT THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE IF YOU CLOSE THAT DOWN THEN DO YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE PEOPLE LIKE, WELL THIS IS A PAIN, I CAN'T MAKE THE TURN DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THEN IF THEY EVENTUALLY GO, THIS IS RIDICULOUS, I HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND TO A SHARP TURN, COME BACK IN.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT IT TEED UP ALMOST TO WHERE I JUST CUT THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I TAKE A QUICK RIDE, I'M RIGHT AT THE LOADING DOCKS.
THE OTHER THING WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE KIND OF ZOOM OUT THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH CONSIDERING IS THAT IF YOU GO SOUTHBOUND ON ALLIANCE, IT'S JUST A RIGHT TURN ONLY ONTO 79.
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WESTBOUND OR I'M SORRY EASTBOUND ON 79, THEY NEED TO, OR OFTEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH EMORY TO UM, THE CROSS STREET AND THEN ARE ABLE TO TURN UH, AT 79 ON THE LEFT.SO YEAH, SEE YEAH, IN ALLIANCE I THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING.
THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER INDUSTRIAL PARK.
WERE YOUR CURSORS THERE ALL THE WAY SOUTH AS INDUSTRIAL? YES, EXACTLY.
LIKE WHAT, THREE OR 4 MILLION AND THERE'LL BE A ROAD GOING ACROSS THAT 1 0 8 PER PEONS.
THIS THIS DECISION POINT ALLIANCE IS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT'S RIGHT ON THE, SO YOU, IN ORDER TO GO EASTBOUND TRUCK DRIVERS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS WAY CAUSE IT'S THEIR GLASS OF PATH OF EAST RESISTANCE TO GO WEST, UH, TO GO EASTBOUND 79 AND THAT'S THE TRUCK ROUTE ONE 19 AS OPPOSED TO COMING DOWN TO THIS POINT AND THEN DOWN.
ONE NINETEENS THE TRUCK ROUTE.
SO YOU GO UP RIGHT ONE 19 TO LIME ROAD, THEN YOU GO RIGHT ON LIME AND THEN YOU GO NORTH ON 1660.
SO WE HAVE THE TRUCK ROUTE GOING RIGHT BY ONLY THEN SAY, CAN I JUST MAKE A QUICK SURE.
LET'S SEE HOW IF YOU CLOSE DOWN THE, THE DRIVE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY BY UH, WESTERN INDUSTRIES, THEN YOU MOVE IN ALL THE TRUCKS.
YOU OVER FARMS CO THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN YOU, SO THEN IF YOU HAD TO GO TO ALL THOSE BACK BUILDINGS AGAIN THAT'S JUST PICKED ON ONE GROUP THOUGH.
BUT YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME IN OFF OF INNOVATION BECAUSE IF YOU COME IN OFF EMORY FARMS, YOU THEN HAVE TO GO TO NEW TECHNOLOGY BOULEVARD AND THEN WORK YOUR WAY IN.
AND THE OTHER THING I'M HEARING YOU SAID THERE WAS NO EASTBOUND SIGNAGE SAYING TO TRUCKS.
SO I MEAN I HAD, I HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION WHEN I WAS DIRECTOR IN A NEARBY CITY, WHICH REMAINED NAMELESS.
UM, WHERE THEY WANTED TO RESTRICT TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT NOBODY PUT ANY SIGNS UP.
AND SO THEY WERE TRYING TO GO OUT AND TICKET THESE TRUCK DRIVERS.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY ADVANCED WARNING.
SO I THINK NOT ONLY COULD WE DO THE DESIGN STUFF, BUT I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A SIGNAGE AND AND ENFORCEMENT ASPECT TO TRYING TO REDUCE THIS.
WHERE WE PARTNER WITH PD, WE PUT SOME SIGNS UP AND WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU CATCH TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THERE, WE'RE GONNA TICKET 'EM UNTIL THESE GUYS START SPREADING WORK TO EACH OTHER.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN ONLY MAKE THE FEE A CERTAIN AMOUNT CAUSE THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT WITH THE JUDGE A REALLY HIGH FEE.
IT'S LIKE, WAS SOMETHING STUPID LOW? LIKE YEAH.
WHAT WAS IT DOTTY 25 OR 50 BUCKS OR SOMETHING TO FOR DRIVING A NO TRUCK ZONE.
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS SO LOW THAT I HAD THE IDEA, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE IT LIKE A DOLLAR SO THAT THEN THEY WOULD PAY IT AND GET THE POINTS AND THEN IT WITHOUT KNOWING IT, THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR LICENSE FOR DRIVING BECAUSE THEY GOT TOO MANY POINTS.
BUT IT'S, IS THAT ALREADY DESIGNATED THIS ROADWAY AND AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY DESIGNATED AS A NOREX ZONE? YES.
AS STATE LAW YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT FEE.
SO WE CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ENFORCE IT POLICE WISE.
UM, WOULD, WOULD MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RED LIGHT AT INNOVATION AND LIMBER IMPROVE THE DECISION TO NOT GO THAT WAY? NOT TO NOT TO GO EMORY FARMS. THEY'D GO UP THE OTHER WAY.
SO THEY'D HAVE A RED LIGHT ACCESS TO TURN.
CUZ I MEAN CHARTERS BY NATURE TO GO THE, WELL I'M JUST NOT USED TO THE, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT, BUT THE ROAD GOES, SO YOU GOT INNOVATION ON THE FAR LEFT AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY NORTH.
THE, IT'S A NIGHTMARE INTERSECTION TO WHERE UH, YEAH, YOU CAN'T HARDLY PULL OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE TO SIT FOR FOREVER AND IF YOU'RE AN 18 WHEELER, FORGET ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE AN ATTRACTIVE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
I THINK YOUR QUESTION THERE IS, IT'S A GOOD ONE.
HOW DO THEY ACCESS THE SITE? YEAH.
MAYBE IT'S WORTH JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THAT.
UM, THAT INDUSTRIAL GROUP, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT QUAD AND SAYING, LOOK, HERE'S THE DEAL BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM WITH FOUR BUILDINGS.
I SEE THIS A PROBLEM WITH THE 2 MILLION THAT'S COMING INTO THE NORTH, THE 2 MILLION TO THE SOUTH.
AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE AN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY ACRES THAT IS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, AND THE PEOPLE DOWN THERE, ONE TRUCK IS REALLY LIKE A HUNDRED OF THEM.
THEY GOT LIKE DOORBELL CAMERAS AND IT AND YOU JUST LIKE, IT WAS ONE TRUCK, YOU KNOW, ONE TRUCK AND ONE DAY IT'S NOT THAT BAD.
BUT IF IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY FOR YEARS.
WELL THE OTHER THING, JUST TO PUT IT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE IS THE EVENTUAL
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CONNECTION OF LIVE OAK TO HENRY FARMS. MM-HMM.AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE OF A THIS IS ROUTE.
MM-HMM
BUT IT'S GOING TO EXTEND UP TO HERE.
AND SO GONNA GET A LIGHT THERE SO THEY'LL ABLE MAKE THE LEFT ONTO THAT SCHMIDT AS WELL.
MUCH EASIER THAN THAT CAN TODAY.
SO IT MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
THAT'S WHY I'M MANAGING OPTION THREE.
DEPEND IF THE IDEA IS TO HAVE LIVE OAK VIA THROUGH ROAD TO ONE 30, EVENTUALLY NARROWING IT DOWN TO ONE LANE ALMOST CREATES A BOTTLENECK.
CUZ I ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC TWO THREE, I THINK THAT'S 30, RIGHT? THE LANDSCAPE MEDIAN THREE.
YEAH, THIS ONE'S TWO BOTTLENECKS.
WELL THE PLAN IS, SO, SO THE PLAN IS THEN TO HAVE THAT THOROUGHFARE THROUGH EMORY FARMS BECOME A MAJOR EAST WEST CORRIDOR TO ONE 30.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE PLAN, MATTHEW.
BECAUSE YOU RUN INTO PARALLEL ROAD TO 79, STRAIGHT TO ONE 30.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW, I LOOK AT THEM.
IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I'M SORRY GO AHEAD.
THAT'S BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, THIS, THIS WIDTH OF HOW THIS IS, IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW IT'S IN LAKESIDE STATES WITH CATS DRIVE.
IT'S MEANT TO BE AN ARTILLERY AND IT'S ANOTHER EAST WESTBOUND, WHICH HA UNFORTUNATELY LACKS A LOT OF EASTBOUND ROADWAYS.
AND SO KAZ IS THE SAME EXACT THING.
SO KAZ IS GONNA END UP BEING, AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR ONE 30 THOROUGHFARE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO 6 85 MM-HMM
SO I MEAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM.
ARE THE HOUSES ON THE SAME FARMS BOULEVARD HERE? ARE THEY ALL SIDE YARDED OR ANY OF THEM TAKING DIRECT ACCESS? THEY'RE ALL SIDE YARDED.
IT WAS DESIGNED, IN MY OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE AN ARTERIAL ROOM.
THE WIDTH, THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN THAT WAS DONE IN 2018 SHOWS IT AS A MAJOR ARTERIAL THROUGH THE CITY.
WELL THEN FRANKLY, PROBABLY YOUR BEST BENEFIT OR YOUR BEST BET IS TO DO THAT AND TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE INTO A REAL ROUNDABOUT.
WHICH WOULD MEAN TAKING OVER ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY MOVING POWER LINES AND DOING EVERYTHING TO WHERE IT NARROWS AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION THERE.
THAT IF, IF IT IS REALLY MEANT FOR THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEN THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR BEST BET.
AND AND TO MAYOR'S POINT, YEAH.
NARROWING IT DOWN WE'LL WE, WE'LL BOTTLENECK IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT.
YOU'RE TRYING TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
AND IF THEY SLOW DOWN ON THEIR APPROACH INTO AN ACTUAL ROUNDABOUT, NOT A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO BE MERGING AND THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND ALL THE THINGS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE ADDRESSED RIGHT THERE IN THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LONG TERM.
SO WHAT IF YOU DID THE LAST ONE WE WERE JUST ON, YOU TOOK OUT THE ROUNDABOUT MM-HMM.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO SOUTH.
AND YOU DON'T MAKE THAT, YOU DON'T MAKE A, THE ABILITY TO GO NORTH.
YOU CLOSE DOWN THE DRIVE FOR WESTERN INDUSTRIES AND THAT WAY YOU HAVE, IF YOU CAN CLOSE DOWN THAT TRAFFIC YEAH.
IF YOU CAN CLOSE DOWN THAT DRIVE, I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
YOU'RE THE CITY, RIGHT? NO, THE DRIVE'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO THAT, TO THAT ACCESS POINT.
CAUSE THEY BUILT THEIR ENTIRE, WE BE THE ONLY CITY THAT HAD NEVER CLOSED A DRIVE OR PUT A MEDIAN UP.
I MEAN I HAVE USUALLY WHENEVER YOU CLOSE ONE, YOU OFFER ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION'S GOTTA BE, BUT I CLOSE THAT DRIVE DOWN.
I DO TWO MEDIANS, TAKE OUT THE RUNABOUT, MAKE IT MORE OF LIKE A ROAD WHERE ALLIANCE COMES INTO IT.
CARS CAN MAKE A RIGHT, CARS CAN MAKE A LEFT, BUT IF YOUR TRACTOR TRAILER, IT IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO WHERE THE TRUCK TURN WON'T MAKE IT EITHER WAY.
UM, THE, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT YOU'LL END UP WITH IS WHEN ALLIANCE BECOMES MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED AND IT WILL THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT TRYING TO GET INTO THAT INTERSECTION TO GO EAST OR WEST BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, IT'LL BE LIKE A T EFFECTIVELY AT THAT POINT.
SO THIS ONE WILL BACK UP WHILE THIS CROSS TRAFFIC IS DOING ITS THING.
AND YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO GO THAT WAY WHEN LIVE OAK HAS A LIGHT AND THEY CAN CUT INTO THE BACKSIDE TO GET TO EVO AND SOME OTHER YEAH.
ONCE EVOS UP ALLIANCE IS GONNA BE KEPT WAY MORE DRIVEN THAN IT IS TODAY.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT UP THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD BE AT THAT INTERSECTION UNLESS YOU LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TAKING ALLIANCE UP AND DOWN.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY, YOU DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT YOU DRIVING NORTH AND MOVING ALL TRAFFIC
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NORTH AND THEN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN DOWN BACK SOUTH YOU'RE GOING DOWN 79, YOU SEE ALL THESE APARTMENTS HERE, MIKE, ALL OF EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE WILL TAKE LIVE OAK RIGHT HERE OFF OF EXCHANGE.THEY'LL CUT ACROSS, GO THROUGH MEMORY FARMS AND GO DOWN THERE TO GET TO ALL THAT SCHOO SHOPPING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A TURN AND COME UP TO, TO 79 AND GO PAST HOME DEPOT AND ALL THAT.
LIKE FOR EVERYONE THAT'S IN HEK AND LIKE WHERE DAN LIVES AND STUFF, THEY'RE GONNA GET HER CUT OVER AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING.
HE GETS AT ONE 30 TO GET OUT OF TOWN.
I DON'T, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT MANY APARTMENTS THAT THAT'S NOT, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS SEE YOUR RIGHT NOW COMMUNITY AND 10 YEARS FROM NOW YEAH.
WE CAN STUDY THE CORRIDOR AND LOOK AT IT COMPLETE.
I MEAN THAT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR SCOPE.
OBVIOUSLY THEIR SCOPE WAS COME UP WITH A SOLUTION BASED OFF OF THE IDEA OF A, OF A DRUG UM, DETERRENT SYSTEM.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR AND DETERMINE LIKE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN LONG TERM.
BUT I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET US OFF TRACK.
I WAS JUST THINKING I WASN'T CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THIS WAS MEANT TO BE A, A THOROUGHFARE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE IT MAKES, IT MAKES KEEPING TRUCKS OFF THAT ROAD LOCK MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP SOMETHING PRETTY.
AND WE DID BASICALLY ARRIVE AT THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING REASONABLY, UH, TO THE POINT OF MAKING A BARRIER THAT THE TRUCKS CAN'T GET UNDER BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU CLEAR A LADDER TRUCK PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE CAN GO TOO.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE MESSY IMPROVEMENTS BACK THERE? THE FARMS, THE TREES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? FARM IS ACTUALLY AN
SO I WENT AND LOOKED AND DOUBLE CHECKED AND IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THERE.
IT'S JUST COULD COULD THEY DO MORE? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SCREENING SCREEN ON THE, FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER? YEAH.
YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE OF THE BERM RIGHT THERE AT THE SMALL TREES.
IT'S NOT YEAH YOU'RE ABLE TO, THAT'S A BURN THAT'S THERE.
ABLE WHEN I PARK AT, WHEN I PARKED AT IT, CLOSE THAT DRIVEWAY, I MEAN IT, IT FACILITATES THAT REALLY WELL.
BUT IT RISE IS ABOUT YEAH FOUR FEET AND GOES BACK.
THAT'D BE SHOCKED IF YOU DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALL THE APARTMENTS, THE MATTER OF ALLIANCE BEING USED, IT WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING 20, 30,000 CARS.
AND I UNDERSTAND PLANNING 10 YEARS OUT, IF YOU'RE PLANNED 10 YEARS OUT, WE BUILD EVERYTHING SIX LANE ROADS BECAUSE 10 YEARS NOW WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT GETS YOU THROUGH.
WELL IF WE PLANT 10 YEARS OUT WE WOULD HAVE ON RAMPS AND ON RAMPS ON THE 30.
IF IT WAS FRACTION OF THE BOX, I DON'T THINK WE WOULDN'T HAVE WE BEEN ALREADY WIDEN ONE 30 SO THEY KIND OF NEED FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH OF THESE OPTIONS THEY SHOULD PURSUE OR IF YOU ARE JUST SATISFIED BUT CONCEPTUAL AND YOU DON'T REALLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD YET.
BUT I THINK WE CAN NARRAT SOME OF WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING INTO IT TO TAKE OUT THE ROUNDABOUT, DO OPTION THREE BUT TAKE OUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN BEFORE WE SYNC MORE MONEY AND MORE COSTS AND LOOKING AT LONG TERM LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SUTTON SAID, WE CAN JUST SEE KIND OF HOW THAT GOES.
HOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, WHAT THE ACTUAL ACTIONS ARE LIKE AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE JUST WIPING THE SLATE CLEAN WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH YOU HAVE TO DO ANYWAYS BUT AT ZERO COST TO ESSENTIALLY TEST IT BUT THEN STILL DOING THE MEDIAN.
JAMES, HE DREW THIS UP PRETTY GOOD.
THIS IS FANCY LITTLE THINGS DOWN THERE
AND YOU GO WELL THAT'S JUST A BIG PERSON'S EDGE.
YEAH, I MEAN THE OTHER OPTION LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS KEEP THAT MEDIAN ON THIS SIDE AND THEN JUST GET RID OF THIS.
IT'S ALTOGETHER AND THEN YOU, YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE THIS MOVEMENT EASIER TO MAKE THIS MOVEMENT STRAIGHT ACROSS TO THEY HAD TO WRITE OUT IF THEY HAD TO WRITE OUT ONLY OUT OF THERE.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT 'EM GOING STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINES.
NO, BUT YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOVEMENT WORDS WELL MOVE IT ALL.
JUST DIDN'T SO THE STRAIGHT WOULD BE SOMETHING STRAIGHT HE YOU OUT 79 BECAUSE IF YOU COULD DO IT STRAIGHT, YOU CAN DO A LIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA GO MAKE, I MEAN THAT'S IT A RIGHT ONLY OUT.
SO YOU'RE, WE HAVE TO QUICKLY GET THE LIGHTED LIMBER AND AND DON'T HAVE TO DISAGREE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THAT CHANGE, THEN WE TOO SAY YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT OUT LINK AND THEN YOU GO UP TO
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TO WHERE THEY CAN INNOVATION BUILT AND THEN YOU DO THE STOP SCIENCE HERE WITH THE SCIENCE.LIKE HOW FAR ORDER DO THAT FACILITY THIS TERM I COST EFFECTIVE WISE THAT MIGHT BE WAY.
AND LASTLY YOU COULD CHANGE THE THE DRIVEWAY TO RIDE OUT RIGHT OUT.
WHEN WE INDUSTRY GETS UPSET WE JUST HAVE TO TELL 'EM THAT, LOOK YOU TRIED IT, IT'S NOT WORKING.
YOU GUYS KNOW WE'RE THIS IS HOW WE DO IT, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND LET YOUR TRUCKS DRIVE AROUND OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO WE SHUT OFF AN ENTIRE ACCESS TO A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS ARE DRIVING THROUGH.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT, THE TRUCKS CAN TURN IN AND GO A NEW TECHNOLOGY WRAP AROUND THAT BUILDING AND THEN BACK IN AND THEN ONCE THEY LEAVE THEY CAN PULL OUT RIGHT.
ONLY AND THEN RIGHT BACK TO INNOVATION.
THEY CAN BRESS BUT I'M JUST SAYING BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT LIGHT AT LIMBER SO WHEN THEY EGRESS I AGREE.
BECAUSE THEN THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT FORCING THEM TO HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT THAT TURN.
SO, UM, IT'S BUDGETED, YOU BUDGETED THE LIGHT.
SO JUST GOT KINDA LIKE THAT OPTION VEST.
MOST AESTHETICALLY WE CAN COME BACK WITH A REFINED, YOU KNOW, THIRD OPTION REFINED AND BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT BACK AND YOU CAN PUT THE HIPPO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE OF THOSE.
I MEAN YOU BUILD THAT COLUMN IN THE EMORY FARMS ONE THE MAPS EMORY FARMS ARCHITECTURE DRAWING.
KEEP THE COLUMN THERE WHERE IT IS PICTURE AND THEN PUT THE HIPPO ON THE OTHER.
YEAH YOU CAN PUT THAT, MOVE THE INFO OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.
YEAH AND THIS, IF WE NIX THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST ALLOWS THIS MOVEMENT MUCH SIMPLER.
THIS GETS PULLED OUT SO YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS TURN AS EASILY OR DETERS THAT JUST DUE TO THE WIDTH.
LIKE A BIG NINE INCH CURVE OR SOMETHING ESSENTIALLY.
AND LIKE WE WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME BOULDERS OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THIS FRONT THAT COULD DISCHARGED THAT AND ALSO HIPPO ALSO.
WE CAN DO A FAMILY OF HIPPOS KNOCK LEGS.
YOU HAVE SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU PULL THE MEDIAN OUT TO WHERE A TRUCK JUST CAN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE I MEAN YOU SEE 'EM ALL THE TIME.
THEY'RE MAKING THESE SHARP TURNS AND YOU'RE LIKE DUDE, AS LONG AS IT'S REASON IT'S SET UP IS SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND WHAT THEY DO, THEY FIGURE IT OUT ABOUT 10 YEARS LONG.
IT'S BEHIND ENOUGH TO WHERE SOMEBODY LEAVING THE UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CAN MAKE THAT MOVEMENT.
SO THAT'S THE DISTANCE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT ONE.
YOU'RE 92, YOU HAVE TRUCK DRIVERS THAT DON'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN ON SITE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WE WERE DOING A SITE VISIT AND A TRUCK CAME IN, HIT A LIGHT STANDER IN THE PARKING LOT, SAID I'M, I'M TOWED.
JUST LEFT HIS TRUCK HIDE CENTERED ON TOP OF A LIGHT STANDER.
THEY DON'T OWN THE TRUCK, THEY DON'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE OWNERSHIP OF IT SO THEREFORE THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR JOB AND THAT'S WHY THEY HOP CURBS AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE AMAZON TRUCKS.
UH, THERE, THERE'S A FEW TEA BY MY HOUSE SEVEN TO NINE EVERY NIGHT.
THERE'S 30 AMAZON TRUCKS IN THERE AND THEY'RE ALL JUST, YOU KNOW, SCRAPES DOWN THE SIDE.
DENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M NOT KNOCKING AMAZON, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY DON'T OWN THE VEHICLES AND THEY'RE JUST DOING A JOB AND THEY'RE CRANKING THROUGH AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DO YOUR BEST TO DETER AND PREVENT AND MAKE IT SO THE PERCEPTION THAT HEY I CAN'T GET THROUGH HERE TO HOPEFULLY TO CREATE THE SAFETY.
AND SO THIS IS GOOD CUZ YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL WESTERN INDUSTRIES THAT THIS DOESN'T STOP IT.
THE NEXT STEP WILL BE JUST UH, LIKE CLOSE THAT OFF SO THEY CAN, THEY GET SOME ABILITY TO, UH, AS I WAS KIND OF DRAWING THIS, I THINK MAKING THIS A
UM, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T PULL THIS FAR ENOUGH WITH THIS CONFIGURATION TO PUT A STOP HERE.
CAUSE IF YOU PUT A STOP BAR BACK HERE YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ASKING FOR ACCIDENTS.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD, BUT YOU COULD IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS RIGHT OUT ONLY RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU COULD DO THIS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR ONLY DIRECTION NOW.
SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER OPTION JUST TO REDUCE THIS WIDTH SO YOU CAN STILL FACILITATE A LEFT ONTO UM, SCHNEIDER.
SO I KNOW WE GOT A LOT OF PEN ALL OVER THIS.
AND ONCE, DON'T YOU GUYS PUT LIKE, I SURE USE LIKE SOME CUT TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATES OR SOMETHING.
BUT THEN KNOW RIGHT AWAY LIKE THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK OR THIS, WE WOULD DO THAT THE SAME TIME ROUND FOR SURE TO VERIFY TOO.
THEN YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU TAKE THAT OUT.
THE WIDTH WOULD BE, OR WHATEVER THAT MEANS YOU NEEDED TO BE IN OR FACILITATED.
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I DECIDED WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE PROGRESSING.SO IF WE WANT TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND NOODLE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE GIVEN THE FEEDBACK AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE REVISED CONCEPTS WITH IMPROV REVISED RISING RISE TOO BASED ON A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MEANING IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE, THE, THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL.
WHAT DOES THAT COST THERE AS PRESENTED? SO THIS ONE, SO THE FIRST OPTION ONE, NOW WE'RE USING A 25% CONTINGENCY AND THIS CONTINGENT COST, BUT LIKE THE DOUBLE SPAN GATEWAY OR WHAT WILL SPAN, BUT THE LARGER WIDTH IS ABOUT $650,000.
SAY THAT AGAIN? RANDALL'S COFFEE.
WHAT?
SO YEAH, SO ABOUT SIX $70,000 FOR OXYGEN.
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S YOU'RE, IT IS A LARGE SPAN.
YOU GOT A SAIL UP THERE OF YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE SECOND ONE'S NOT MUCH BETTER CUZ IT'S STILL, IT'S ABOUT 508,000 BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE A SUPERSTRUCTURE AND COLUMNS IN SUPPORTING THAT IN THE AIR.
MM-HMM
IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE $375,000 FOR LANDSCAPE MEDIAN AND AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THE FULL ROUNDABOUT REDO IS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.
THAT HAS 25% DIGITS DEMO WHEN $4,000.
I KNEW THAT WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE LOW YOU, THAT WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.
THAT'S WHY I WAS PUSHING SO HARD BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, I, I WANNA SEE THIS, I WANNA SEE ABOUT 44, I THINK IT WAS 44 GRAND.
YEAH, YEAH, NO THE, YOU KNOW, SEE AROUND THE ONES TOO.
ALSO THE ONES WE WERE LOOKING AT RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS BUT THAT'D BE A VERY SIMILAR WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT.
IT'S A GOOD COMPARABLE UH, HERE TO THE CO-OP THAT WOULD SPAN THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS BUT THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE $600,000 RANGE WITH THE TIME OF STRUCTURE AND THE STEEL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE SHARED WHERE IT WASN'T PART OF THIS TIME MINUTES PROBABLY GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT I HEARD WAS OPTION THREE BUT WITH A COUPLE OF WITH YES, EXACTLY.
SO IT'LL PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE BUT YOU'RE ALSO DOING TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT, YOU'RE DOING TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL WITH STRIP AND WELL SOME ADDITIONAL CURB AND GUTTER AND SOME OTHER LANDSCAPE SO YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL COME OUT THE REVISED CONCEPT AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET INTO THAT PROBABLY $450,000 RANGE.
I HAD TO GUESS IT'S JUST FOUR TIMES WHAT WE BUDGETED.
YEAH I THINK AGAIN LIKE WE MENTIONED, PUT SOME SIGNS OUT THERE DAY ONE BUT YOU CAN DO THAT TOMORROW.
THAT'S A SIMPLE UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THINGS, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP.
I THINK MAYBE JUST STARTING A CONVERSATION WITH WESTERN INDUSTRIAL AND SAY HEY GUYS, YOU KNOW, BE FORMAL ABOUT IT MAYBE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT NEEDS TO WORK FROM THE COMMUNICATION LEVEL BUT, AND AND ABOUT HALF THAT COST LOOKS LIKE IT'S DEMO.
SO I MEAN THAT WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT TEARING STUFF UP.
SO
THAT'S DEMO MOSTLY FOR THE LANDSCAPE MEDIAN CUZ YOU'RE TAKING THAT SECTION OF ASPHALT OUT.
THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO.
I WOULDN'T WANT US DOING THE FINISHED PRODUCT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I WANT THAT'S BEING DONE BY A CONTRACTOR.
YEAH, JUST NO, YOU'RE THE ONLY ON.
IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH, WE JUST WANTED TO REALLY GIVE YOU ALL THE OPTIONS AND WE STUDIED MULTIPLE OPTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
YOU KNOW, CUZ WHEN WE SAW THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES AND STUFF AS WELL, WE THOUGHT THEY WERE NOT LOW.
A LITTLE LOW BASED ON OUR PRIOR EXPERIENCE.