May 12, 2023 Work Session

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]

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ALL SIX O'CLOCK.

WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, MAY 4TH, 2023 TO ORDER.

START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL.

MEMBER SUTTON.

MEMBER THORNTON HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK.

HERE.

MAYOR SCHNEIDER'S.

HERE.

MAYOR GORDON.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER KENZIE.

HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR.

UH, SHE WAS, SHE TEXTED THAT SHE WAS CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC, BUT SHE'S ON WAY.

ALL RIGHT.

MAY I BRING S ITEM THREE ONE REVIEW

[3.1. Review and discuss the proposed Veteran's Memorial in Adam Orgain Park including but not limited to design, location, and funding options (Jeff White) ]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL.

WANNA GIVE YOU A QUICK TIMELINE OF THIS.

UH, KELLY HERNANDEZ IS, IS HERE WITH COMMISSIONER BOWLS OFFICE.

OH, THERE SHE IS.

SHE'S, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT MOVE, UM, AND SHE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

UH, SO IN 2 21 DECEMBER, 2021, COMMISSIONER BOWLS APPROACHED PARKS BOARD ABOUT MEMORIAL AND THE DIRECTION WAS THE COUNTY WAS GONNA TAKE THE LEAVE IN THE PROJECT PRESENT BACK TO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD.

AND THEN IN AUGUST OF 2022, THE COUNTY REQUESTED THE PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT TAKE THE LEAVE ON THE PROJECT.

UH, FIRST SOME INTERNAL MEETINGS.

IN OCTOBER, THE PARKS BOARD AGREED TO FORM A VETERANS PANEL THAT CONSISTED OF PERRY SARD, EDCO, UH, ALEX RAMIREZ, BOBBY VASQUEZ, TIM THOMPSON, BASICALLY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD THAT WERE VETERANS AND AMERICAN LEGION, THE PANEL MAP REVIEW OPTIONS, DESIGN LOCATIONS.

AND THEN FEBRUARY, 2023, WE KIND OF NARROWED IT DOWN TO THREE OPTIONS IN THREE LOCATIONS.

AND THEN WE PRESENTED OUR CHOICES TO THE PARKS BOARD IN MARCH.

AND THEN SOON THE PARKS BOARD APPROVED THOSE FIRST CHOICE AND FIRST LOCATION.

THEN WE WENT TO COMMISSIONER BO'S OFFICE AND THEY APPROVED THE INITIAL DESIGN AS WELL AS THE LOCATION.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TIMELINE? CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER? OKAY, SIR.

SO THE THREE DESIGN CHOICES, NOT NECESSARILY, THESE WERE OUR INSPIRATION PIECES.

THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE FINAL DESIGN OR WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA LOOK SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

THE FIRST CHOICE WAS THE EAGLE STATUE ON THE LEFT, THE COLUMNS WITH THE BASE.

THE SECOND OPTION WAS THE STA STANDALONE STONE OR GLASS VETERANS WAR.

AND THE THIRD OPTION WAS THE, JUST A FLAG MARINE.

THE BRANCHES OF THE, UH, SERVICES LOCATIONS ENDED UP BEING, THERE WERE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, ADAM OR GAME PARK WIN FOOTBALL FIELD AND HUDDLE LUTHERAN CEMETERY.

SO AT AOR GAME PARK, AS YOU SEE, THE LITTLE RED CIRCLE IN BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE PAVILION IS THE FUR DESTINATION FOR THE PANEL.

THE SECOND OPTION, UH, WAS NEAR WIND FOOTBALL FIELD BECAUSE THAT FIELD IS NAMED AFTER TRAYVON WYNN TAAN WIND, SORRY, UH, WHO WAS, UH, KILLED IN ACTION AND PLAYED ON THAT FIELD WAS FROM .

SO SOME, THERE'S SOME VERY VALID REASONS TO CONSIDER THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS NOT A CITY PROPERTY, IT WAS THE HUDDLE LUTHERAN CEMETERY, UM, AS A VIABLE OPTION.

SO IN ORDER FOR THIS PROJECT TO, TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD, UM, JUST GIVE YOU SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE.

WILLIAMSON COUNTY, WE'RE PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT A REIMBURSEMENT OF FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND KELLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT NOW? OR YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL THEY HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, SO THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

THAT, UH, WE WOULD ACTUALLY REIMBURSE AFTER THE WORK IS DONE SO THAT THERE'S AN EXCELLENT FINISHED PRODUCT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WILL, AND THAT'S SAYING POTENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT GETS US FROM US DOING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE POTENTIALLY BECOMES A, WE'LL, TWO ADDITIONAL VOTES? YEAH.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET IT VOTED ON THAT PENDING? WELL, I MEAN, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS WE'VE GOT IT SOLIDIFIED HERE, AND THEN IT'LL GO ON THE AGENDA AND THEN IT CAN BE APPROVED AT THE COUNTY, AND THEN WE CAN THEN COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION AND BE REIMBURSED.

OKAY.

WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? HOW MUCH? 1 MILLION THOUSAND HUNDRED.

SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR POTENTIAL PARTNERS IS WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

ANOTHER ONE IS THE AMERICAN LEGION, WHO IS STEP STEPPED UP AND SAID THEY WILL PROVIDE A LIST

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UH, AND THEN OUR STAFF IS, WILL, WILL WORK WITH BOTH GROUPS ON A FINAL DESIGN BASED ON FUNDING AVAILABILITY.

SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS, ONE, IS COUNCIL SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT? TWO, DO YOU LIKE THE DESIGN INSPIRATION THAT WE'RE USING? DO YOU LIKE THE LOCATION, WHICH, UM, WITH SUPPORT AND THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING WITH THE COUNTY POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES? UH, PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT FUND IS OUR PRIMARY ONE BECAUSE WE COULD GET REIMBURSED TO THE COUNTY THAT AS WELL AS THE WINSTON COUNTY FUNDING.

AND THE NEXT STEP IS TO FINALIZE DESIGN AND INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT TO COUNCIL.

SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM AMERICAN LEGION, WINSTON COUNTY, AND OUR PARK BOARD HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GO WITH ONE, THE, THE OPTION THREE WITH THE FLAGS, THE, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T GET FLAGS CHANGED OUT, THEY GET TATTERED, THEY LOOK BAD, GOT AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE THING.

SO I WOULD LOOK FOR AN OPTION THAT YOU PUT IT IN AND IS ALWAYS GONNA LOOK GOOD.

UH, MAYBE YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND CLEAN IT OR GET ON TOP OF IT OR SOMETHING, BUT, BUT FUNCTIONALLY IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE HONOR THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE AND NOT DEPENDENT ON, UH, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S OPTION THREE, RIGHT? UH, I DID, I, I ORIGINALLY HAD LIKED THE IDEA OF THE FLAGS BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS ALL, BUT WHEN WE GOT DOWN TO ACTUALLY DISCUSSING IT, THE OPTION ONE IS THE ONE THAT I LIKE THE BEST BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY, UH, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY MAINTENANCE, REALLY KEEP IT CLEAN, GO OUT AND PRESSURE WASH IT.

IF IT GETS MOLD ON IT.

UM, REQUIRE LIGHTING, WATCH YOUR BAR LIGHTING, YEAH.

ELECTRIC.

AND YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND TAKE 'EM DOWN, PUT 'EM BACK UP.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE LIGHTING, THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN EVERY DAY.

THEN WHEN IT GETS HALF, NINE, HALF, HALF STAFFED, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOWER ALL OF THEM, THE HALF STAFF.

UH, BUT I LIKE THAT OPTION, THAT FIRST OPTION, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE NAMES OF HUDDLE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE, UH, BEEN KILLED IN ACTION, UH, TO BE PUT ON IT.

AND FOR THE LOCATION, I I, I REALLY LIKE THE ADAM ORDAIN LOCATION FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, IT'S, UH, THE BACKDROP FOR THAT IS THAT, UH, POND WITH THE FOUNTAINS AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S QUIET, PEACEFUL PLACE.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

UH, I MEAN THERE OF COURSE WHEN THERE IS AN ACTIVITY, YOU CAN STILL GO OUT THERE, BUT, UH, ON A NORMAL EVERYDAY BASIS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT JUST WANTS TO GO OUT THERE ON MEMORIAL DAY OR JUST TO GO OUT THERE AND SIT AND THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD PEACEFUL PORTION OF, WE TALKED ABOUT SHARING IN THINGS FROM COUNTY, AND YOU GUYS MIGHT NOT HAVE AN EXACT DOLLAR NOTE, BUT WHAT IS KIND OF THE ESTIMATED OVERALL COST OF THIS PROJECT? IF WE WERE TO GO WITH OPTION ONE, PLACE ONE? EVERYTHING, EVERYONE ESSENTIALLY.

YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

WE, WE'VE HAD INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH JUST ONE VENDOR.

OF COURSE WE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SOLICIT MULTIPLE BIDS FROM FOR PROCUREMENT PURPOSES, BUT THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WAS A GOOD TARGET NUMBER TO, TO BUDGET AROUND.

SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S GOOD, IT'S APPROVED TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT THEN ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT GONNA COST US ANYTHING.

WE JUST HAVE TO USE THE PARK, DEVELOP PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT TO FRONT TO FRONT IT.

UH, AND EVEN IF IT DID GO A LITTLE BIT OVER WITH THE PARKLAND, IT'S STILL NOT COMING OUT OF BUDGET.

IT'S STILL NOT COMING OUT OF BOND MONEY.

IT'S STILL NOT COMING OUT OF ANYTHING.

WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO A GOOD JOB WITH IT.

BACK TO THE PICTURES OF, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE FIRST OPTION BEST TOO.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO FLY THE PILLARS, THE EAGLE, TYING IT TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.

UH, AND WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT, THERE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, FIVE BRANCHES OF SERVICE NOW.

SO WE CAN PUT, WE CAN COMBINE ON ONE SIDE, TWO OF THEM, WHICH WOULD BE SMALLER, WHICH WOULD BE THE COAST GUARD AND THE SPACE FORCE.

AND THEN THE OTHER THREE SIDES WOULD'VE THE MARINES IN THE ARMY AND THE AIR FORCE.

AND WE COULD, WE CAN DESIGN IT ANY WAY WE WANT TO.

UH, ACTUALLY WHAT GOES ON.

AND, BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA.

THE MARINE CORPS REALLY TO BREAK NAVY.

MY PARENTS WERE NAVY WATCH OUT.

I KNOW A FEW JAR HEADS TAKE EXCEPTION OF THAT.

I'M MARRIED TO.

YEAH.

SO WHAT'S OUR PLAN? WE WE BUILD THIS, WE APPROVE IT, WE BUILD IT AND THEN, RIGHT.

WE'D HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE YOU APPROVE, I MEAN AFTER IT'S BUILT, LIKE DO WE HAVE, AND WHAT I'M GOING WITH THIS IS IF WE JUST BUILD A MONUMENT,

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DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER TYPE OF THINGS LIKE FOR VETERANS DAY, MEMORIAL DAY? BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING BIGGER LIKE, HEY, WE WANT THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE GO TO, THEN I THINK WE ALMOST NEED TO BE THINKING THE HUNDRED THOUSAND IS A PART OF AN OVERALL LIKE SCHEMATIC TO WHERE YOU MAYBE HAVE THE FIRST OPTION, BUT YOU HAVE MORE TO IT IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, IN TERMS OF PATHWAYS PARK, EVEN IF IT'S NOT BUILT TODAY, BUT WAY IT SPAN IT MAYBE THE, WHEREAS WE GO, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO GO WHERE IT WAS AT BECAUSE IT IS SCALABLE.

WE CAN'T ADD TO, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN HAVE, I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THE SIZE OF KYLE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WENT DOWN THERE FOR THE, FOR THE BETTER THING.

IT IT WAS AMAZING.

IT, IT WAS, YEAH.

BUT THAT'S LIKE A 10 MILLION PROJECT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.

, I THINK WE CAN GET THERE EVENTUALLY, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS WOULD BE ONE WAY OF, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I'D EVEN WANT ANYTHING AS GRAND A SCALE AND, AND ALL ENCOMPASSING LIKE THAT ONE WAS, I, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE GO IN EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET MORE DIFFERENT.

SO CAN YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING SET UP TO WHERE YOU CAN SHOW LIKE, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO HAVE, IF WE ALL SAY OPTION ONE, THAT OPTION ONE, BUT THEN WHAT YOU SEE LIKE A FUTURE PHASING? CAUSE WHAT WE TEND TO DO AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, IS PUT SIDEWALKS IN AND WE SEE THIS HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK, AND THEN 10 YEARS LATER WE'RE DIGGING UP THOSE SIDEWALKS AND MOVE IT OVER.

AND I'D HATE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO IT AND THEN COME BACK AND EVERYBODY GO IN FIVE YEARS, HEY, WE GOT A BETTER IDEA.

LET'S TEAR THIS OUT, MOVE IT, REDO EVERYTHING.

BUT IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO JUST DO IT LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND HAVE DIFFERENT PHASES.

SO WHAT, WHAT OUR, OUR PLAN WAS IS IF THIS IS THE INSPIRATION PIECE, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF DESIGN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT WE WOULD, UH, IN THE PROJECT BID, SEE ABOUT ADDING A BIGGER CONCRETE AREA, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A, IT'S GONNA BE STONE.

IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVY, HEAVY, HEAVY PIECE.

AND SO IT'D HAVE TO HAVE PROPER FOOTING ON THERE.

UH, JUST WE DON'T WANT TO SINK OR ANY DAMAGE.

SO IN THAT AREA, YOU WOULD EXPAND THAT CIRCLE OR THAT SQUARE TO HAVE A WALKWAY UP, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER AREAS AS FAR AS LIKE LIGHTING.

WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING LIGHTING, MORE SEATING AND ANY OTHER OPTIONS OR EVENTS IN THE FUTURE.

FOR SURE.

AND THIS WAS OUR FIRST OF OUR MINI PHASES FOR THIS PROJECT.

I LIKE, I NEED THE CONCRETE SLAB, BUT THEN THE LIGHTING IN THERE MM-HMM.

IN THE SLOT ITSELF.

AND THEN SLOWLY ADD, NOT GONNA BE THE CENTER.

I'M ALSO THINKING LIT UP.

YEAH.

I'M ALSO THINKING ON, ON MEMORIAL DAY.

I KNOW THAT THE AMERICAN LEGIONS, UH, IN ROUND ROCK, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HUK, I HAVEN'T BEEN YET, BUT I KNOW IN ROUND ROCK THEY ALWAYS DO A CEREMONY OUT BY THE, BY THE GUNS ON GEORGE, UH, VE JOHN'S CHAPTER, GEORGE JOHN'S HIT ON GEORGETOWN STREET.

WHERE ARE WE DOING A CEREMONY AT SUNSET BLOCK PARTY, THIS MEMORIAL DAY ON THE FRIDAY 20.

WE COULD POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING OUT AT, I MEAN, ONCE THIS THING IS BUILT, UH, CUZ IT'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT OVERNIGHT, BUT ONCE IT'S BUILT, WE COULD POSSIBLY PARTNER WITH AMERICAN LEGION TO DO A CEREMONY OUT THERE ON MEMORIAL DAY.

UNDERSTAND NOT NECESSARILY VETERANS DAY, BECAUSE THIS IS A MEMORIAL.

AND, AND WE'RE NOT MEMORIALIZING VETERANS.

WE'RE MEMORIALIZING PEOPLE WHO NEVER MADE IT .

I MIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF WHERE THE CONCEPT CAME FROM.

UM, COMMISSIONER BOWLES, THERE WAS OTHER, UH, CITIES IN HIS PRECINCT THAT HAD THINGS JUST LIKE THIS, AND THEY WERE DOING IT FOR MEMORIAL DAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS CONCEPT CAME FROM.

HE WANTED SOMETHING IN HU AND HIS ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS KNOWING AT A MORE GAME PARK AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AREA IT IS.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF VISIBILITY AT TIMES, BUT THEN AT TI SO IT, IT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN RECOGNIZE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

BUT THEN SECONDLY, IT'S ALSO A PLACE WHERE IT'S SOMEWHAT QUIET.

LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED, THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY GO AND SIT AND TRULY REFLECT IF THEY WANTED TO.

AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE THE CONCEPT CAME FROM.

AND WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PLACES, UH, WE LOOKED AT POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LIBRARY AND THAT GRASS AREA UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THAT WE DON'T OWN THAT, UH, THAT BELONGS TO DEVELOPERS.

MM-HMM.

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SO WE KIND OF SQUASHED THAT IDEA.

WE LOOKED AT POSSIBILITY OF INCORPORATING THIS MEMORIAL WITH THE FRITZ PARK REMAKE.

UH, BUT AGAIN, FRITZ PARK IS GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH A, A WELL USED PARK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND.

AND IT MIGHT, I'M NOT GONNA SAY INTIMIDATING CAUSE I'M, I KNOW I'M INTIMIDATED BY CROWDS, BUT IT'S NOT THE PEACEFUL PLACE.

IT'S NOT THE PEACEFUL PLACE THAT, THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S LOST A LOVED ONE, UH, WOULD GO TO, OR, YOU KNOW, OR SOMEBODY THAT SERVED AND REMEMBERS PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT HOME FROM HIS UNIT WOULD GO TO, TO BE QUIET AND PEACEFUL.

THAT'S WHY.

OR DAVE PARK, IN REGARDS TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL TO RELEASE THE HUNDRED THOUSAND OR WHATEVER.

LET'S SAY IT GOES TO A LITTLE BIT OF OVERRUN.

WE'D HAVE TO MAYBE TAKE ANOTHER 25,000 OUTTA THE PARKLAND FEES, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE BASKETBALL LIGHTS.

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AND THIS, DEPENDING ON WHICH DESIGN FEATURE WE GO, HOW CUSTOM WE WANT IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT COULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO JUST DO THE DESIGN WORK AS FAR AS THE STONE, GETTING IT CUT, GETTING IT SHAPED.

YOU GET EVERYTHING GREAT.

RIGHT? IT COULD TAKE LONGER THAN THAT.

WE'RE WAITING NOW, SEVEN, EIGHT.

SEE, I THINK WE'RE ON SEVEN MONTHS JUST TO GET A HEADSTONE FROM A FATHER-IN-LAW'S GRAVE.

AND IT'S PAID FOR, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE, THEY SAID BETWEEN SIX AND NINE MONTHS JUST TO GET A LITTLE HEADSTONE.

SO IT, IT PROBABLY GONNA TAKE CLOSE TO A YEAR TO GET THIS THING BUILT.

SO THE SOONER WE START, THE SOONER WE CAN GET IT GOING.

MY, UM, I LOVE THE LOCATION.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT.

UM, MY CONCERN IS WE JUST SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH DIRECTORS OF CHAOS.

THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND IS A HUGE EVENT WE GET, AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, I MEAN, WOULD WE TIE SOMETHING IN WITH THEM FOR A MEMORIAL DAY EVENT? OR, I'M, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT IS, UM, IT COULD BE PEACEFUL ON MONDAY.

MAYBE EVERYTHING PA EVERYTHING'S PACKED UP AND GONE BY THEN.

THAT WAS THAT THE AGREEMENT, WE'RE ABLE TO TELL THEM WE HAVE AN EVENT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND THEN IF WE GIVE THEM ENOUGH NOTICE, THEN THEY WON'T BOOK ANYTHING.

AND MOST OF THE TIMES, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, ROUND ROCK AMERICAN LEGION USUALLY HOLDS THEIRS AT ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

SO IF THEY, EVEN IF THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING ON THE WHOLE WEEKEND AND NEEDED THE EVENING, YOU KNOW, WE'D STILL BE, ANY KIND OF CEREMONY WOULD BE DONE WITH BY ABOUT 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK.

MAYBE THIS IDEA, JUST THROWING OUT THERE TO FIND OUT IF THE J OTC PROGRAM WOULD SOMETHING WHAT THE J OTC PROGRAM WITH THE I F P.

SO, SO CAN I ASK GRUMPY MEN QUESTIONS? GO BACK TO THE, THE PICTURES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I, THE, THE FIRST OPTION TO ME IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BETTER, NICER, MORE RESPECTFUL, UM, MONUMENTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT I'VE, I'VE SEEN CONSTRUCTED FOR, FOR THESE TYPES OF, OF THINGS.

I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT LOTS OF THEM.

MM-HMM.

, THERE'S SOME OTHERS WITH THE DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COLUMNS THAT MAY BE BIGGER AND WHATNOT.

BUT I REALLY LIKE THAT IT PRESENTS THOUGH AS LIKE A MASUM.

AND IF YOU GO AND DROP THAT IN A PARK LIKE ADAM ORGA AT BRUSHY CREEK, SO ON AND SO FORTH, UM, YOU RUN GRAFFITI RISK.

UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF EVENTS WITH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM NOT OUR COMMUNITY OUT THERE ALL AROUND IT ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A, A SECTION OF THE PARK THAT'S ACTUALLY LIKE CORDONED OFF TO WHERE YOU MAINTAIN THE RESPECT ALL THE TIME? OR IS IT ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT JUST KIND OF IS IN THE WAY WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE A COUNTRY MUSIC CONCERT OUT THERE OR SOMETHING? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

THERE IS A BY THE, BY THAT PAVILION THAT'S NOT USED.

THERE IS A FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY GO THERE.

UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE PUT IT CLOSER TO THE BANKS OF THE BRUSH OF BRUSHY CREEK ITSELF.

LIKE I'M TOWARDS, NO, I'M SO CLOSE TO WHERE IT GETS IN THE FLOOD PLANT.

RIGHT.

NOT SO CLOSE TO WHERE COULD GET ERODED AND ACTUALLY FALL IN, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S AWAY FROM.

MM-HMM.

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SO, SO FOR ME, UM, AND WE CAN LOCK THAT GATE TOO DURING EVENT, RIGHT.

SINCE I, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M POINTING, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.

THE, IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS IN MY MIND LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL GOAL IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REFERENCED THE ONE IN KYLE AND YOU KNOW, I TOOK Y'ALL TO GO SEE THAT ON PURPOSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE SAME TYPE OF CONVERSATIONS.

IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY WANT FOR THIS TO BE FOR NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY A MEMORIAL, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A MEMORIAL WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S NAMES FOR THE COUNTY OVER HERE, FOR THEM OVER THERE.

SO, SO IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T JUST THAT.

AND THEN THAT COMMUNITY ELECTED TO GO WITH WHAT WE WANT, LIKE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENGAGE AND BE EDUCATED AND ALSO RESPECT AND HONOR THOSE THAT HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES.

AND THEY NAMED IT HEROES BECAUSE THEY INCLUDED FIRST RESPONDERS AND OTHER THINGS TOO.

UM, SO, SO THAT PART WAS, WAS DESIGNED WITH THE INTENT OF ENGAGING CONVERSATION AREAS OF CONTEMPLATION AND REFLECTION.

IT WAS, IT WAS PURPOSELY PROGRAMMED AND EARLY ON, UH, MUCH TO TO, TO KELLY'S CHA.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I SAID I WOULD WANT TO USE THE MONEY TO,

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BECAUSE, BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST OF MANY PHASES.

WELL, YOU NEED TO GO AND, AND DO AN ACTUAL PLAN OF WHAT YOU WANT THE FINAL PRODUCT TO BE.

BY THE TIME YOU BUILD OUT EVERYTHING FIRST, THEN THIS MAY BE THE FIRST THING THAT GETS BUILT.

BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE IS THAT YOU, YOU WANT TO, YOU GOTTA HAVE IT GRADED PROPERLY.

YOU GOTTA HAVE THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER AND THE ELECTRICAL CONDUITS WHERE THEY NEED TO RUN.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.

RATHER THAN JUST, WELL, WE'LL PUT THIS HERE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY, WELL NOW WE WANT TO DO SOME SEATING LATER.

AND OKAY, WELL WHERE'S THE SEATING NEED TO GO? WELL, IT WON'T WORK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GRADE IT THE RIGHT WAY, THO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO THIS TO ME, LIKE THAT THING LOOKS LIKE THAT BELONGS MORE IN THE CEMETERY THAN IT WOULD AT A PARK, UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING IT THE CENTER OF A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF LEAD YOU THROUGH SOME SORT OF A, OF A, OF A PATH, UM, OF CONTEMPLATION.

SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT VANDALISM IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T CITE IT CORRECTLY OR IT BEING DISRESPECTED IF WE DON'T CITE IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEOPLE.

UM, INTENTIONALLY OR NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO, YOU KNOW, DAMAGE IT JUST ON PURPOSE.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE DRINKING ALCOHOL ON THE SAME PLACE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T MAKE GREAT DECISIONS.

UM, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH, WITH WHAT YOU AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT COMMISSIONER BOLT'S OFFICE IS NOT GONNA GIVE US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PLAN.

THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US, I TOTALLY GET TO BILL.

TOTALLY GET THAT.

AND YEAH, WE CAN, I'M WITH THE JAMES ON THIS.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT MY THING, I, I CAN'T SEE, JUST BUILD ONE, NO OFFENSE HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT YOU PLAN ON ONE, WE'RE GONNA UP PROBABLY SPENDING MORE MONEY LATER ON MOVING IT SOMETHING.

AND SO I THINK IF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS SOMETHING BIGGER, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE MONEY FOR PLANNING AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK.

WE, WE KNOW THE COUNTY APPROVES IT AND WE SAY, LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS GRACIOUS GIFT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT BIGGER.

AND WE MAY HAVE TO SPEND, I HATE TO SAY 50, 60,000 CUZ I DON'T LIKE CONSULTANTS.

JUST DO IT.

BUT YOU GOTTA SPEND THE MONEY, DO IT.

RIGHT.

AND THEN WE CAN KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA PHASE IT ALL.

I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT VANDALISM BECAUSE WHEREVER YOU PUT IT, YOU'RE EITHER GONNA LOCK IT UP SO NO ONE CAN SEE IT OR DO WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO.

OR YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE THAT RISK.

AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO, AS THE CITY, BE PREPARED TO FIX THINGS.

AND THIS IS A PRETTY, THIS TOWN OF POLICE IT ON ITS OWN.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE'S AN EVENT AND SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, BEING STUPID, YOU MAY HAVE POLICED TAKEN CARE OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN DISRESPECTED PLACE.

I MEAN, IF YOU GOT LIKE A GATE AND STUFF AROUND IT, YOU THINK OF ALL THE OTHER MEMORIALS OUT THERE.

THIS SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'LL HAVE AN EMPLOYEE EVERY MORNING AT 8:00 AM UNLOCK IT EVERY NIGHT AT NINE, LOCK IT BACK UP.

AND SO, UM, PEOPLE WHO WANNA ANALYZE ARE GONNA DO IT.

BUT YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, WHENEVER WE WERE DESIGNING THE HEROES MEMORIAL AND KYLE, THE, THE DECISION WAS NOT TO LOCK IT UP WAS TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

BUT IT'S HIGH VISIBILITY.

IT'S, IT'S LIT ALL NOT LONG.

VERY WELL THROUGHOUT.

THROUGHOUT RIGHT.

SO THE RISK OF THE, AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF MATERIAL, I THINK I WANT TO SAY JEFF, THAT WAS PURPOSELY CHOSEN.

THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS THE, THE OFF CHANCE OF SPRAY PAINT OR WHATEVER IT WAS, MATERIALS THAT LENT THEMSELVES TO BEING ABLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT FIRE WASHED AND CLEANED, THAT STUFF CLEANED OFF.

YEAH.

UM, NOW THERE WAS SOME COMPONENTS OF IT, NOT BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMPONENTS ON THAT BACK WALL WERE LIKE SPECIAL ORDERED AND, AND VERY UNIQUE.

BUT, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT SPECIFIC DESIGN IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE NEATEST MOST, UM, MOST TASTEFUL, UM, TYPE MEMORIALS.

IT JUST FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE A MOSS TYPE FEEL.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, KIND OF ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF IT.

BUT MAYBE YOU LEVERAGE THAT.

MAYBE YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE IT HAS LIKE LITTLE COMPARTMENTS IN IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD PUT ME MEMENTOS OR SOMETHING INSIDE OF THE COMPARTMENTS OR SOMETHING.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I LIKE THE WAY THAT THAT LOOKS.

AND THEN IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH AN OVERALL PLAN OF WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT QUIET, REFLECTIVE SPACE, THAT'S ONE THING.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH IT, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DONE, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

AND SO, AND WHEN WE HAD, WHEN UNBELIEV BUDDY OUT HERE, HERE, THERE'S FROM THE TRAFFIC, BUT UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAD ORIGINALLY KIND OF BROUGHT IT UP AS THE PARK ADVISORY, UH, COUNCIL PERSON, YOU HAD SAID THAT THE THOUGHT WAS POSSIBLY LOOKING AT IT ON THE WATER FEATURE OVER HERE OFF TO THE SIDE OF CITY HALL, SO THAT YOU HAD TO QUIET WITH THE WATER.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ALREADY BUILT AND HAVE THIS WITH THAT THERE.

AND THEN IF YOU DID THAT, BECAUSE IT IS CITY HALL RIGHT THERE, IT'S NOT GONNA GET VANDALIZED.

IT IS A PRIVATE THING.

I DON'T KNOW.

I BUT WE DON'T OWN THE LAND.

WE CAN'T PUT, YEAH.

SO, SO PERRY DID POINT OUT THAT WE DON'T OWN THE LANDING.

JUST SO HAPPENS THOUGH THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING A LOT WITH THE CO-OP FOLKS AND WE HAVE THEM UP FOR IT.

IF NOT, NOT THAT WE WOULD CHANGE ANYTHING,

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YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIT.

IT'S THERE.

MAYBE, MAYBE YOU DO THE FLAGS, MAYBE YOU DON'T.

I I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT I COULD TALK TO THOSE GUYS AND GET THEM TO, YOU KNOW, GRAB AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PLACE IT THERE.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO TRY.

LET'S DO THIS.

I NEED TO RUSH THIS LONG.

WE'VE GOT 20 MINUTES.

LET'S HAVE AN ITEM TO CONTINUE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BECAUSE IF WE DO PIVOT, THEN WHAT'S THE BIGGER GRAND SCHEME GONNA BE? AND THEN WILL THAT ALL FIT? AND SO MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN GET, WELL IF WE PIVOT THAT'S, THAT'S SIDE, THAT WOULD BE IT WITH SOME BENCHES, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH SOME PLANNING FROM NOT WHO'S THAT GROUP? I DON'T LIKE VIR BURN BURN, SOMEONE DIFFERENT.

BUT SOMEONE THAT CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT A COUPLE ESTIMATES TO WHERE IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AND THEN DON'T, SO JEFF, A FEW, A FEW DESIGN FIRMS TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY DESIGNING SOME MORE.

I DON'T, THAT'S COULD BE CHALLENGING FOR IN TWO WEEKS.

JUST, I MEAN, NOT MAKE THE FOUR WEEKS.

I MEAN, FIRST WE DO THIS FIRST.

I DON'T WANNA RUSH SOMETHING AND THEN WE, WE'LL, WE'LL ASPIRE TO DO THE ONE IN MAY, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE CONFIDENT BY THE FIRST ONE IN.

WE DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE DESIGN.

I'M JUST LOOKING FOR AN IDEA.

COST TO GET SOMEONE TO DESIGN IT.

OKAY.

AND FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO TIMELINE TO IT.

UH, THE MONEY IS THERE.

HE'S, WE'RE WE'RE, HE'S OFFERED TO FUND IT TO THAT FOR THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

HE'D LIKE IT TO BE DONE WHILE HE'S STILL IN OFFICE.

THE, I'M PICKING UP PACE AROUND HERE.

THE BIGGEST THING REALLY IS THAT IT IS NOT ON THE CONCEPT OF IT, BUT AN ACTUAL PRODUCT.

YES.

SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS JUST TO CLARIFY HOW IT WORKS.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY, LIKE PUT IN A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THEN THE COUNTY WOULD REIMBURSE.

RIGHT? SO I GUESS JUST FOR BUDGET COMING UP, WE NEED TO I GUESS HAVE THAT AS LIKE A LINE ITEM OF THAT.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY.

OKAY.

UH, YOU GUYS

[3.2. Review and discuss the potential relocation of the Hutto Independent School District Train Depot, including but not limited to location, usage, and funding options (Jeff White)]

SO HENRY IS HERE WITH THE SCHOOL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

WE'LL GO TO OUR PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.

SO IT IS THE THIRD OLDEST TRAINED DEPOT IN HU TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

UM, IT'S CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE SCHOOL AND IT'S CORNER OF TAYLOR AND COLLEGE IN JANUARY.

I MAKE IT ALSO THE THIRD NEWEST ONE.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE , UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REQUESTED.

THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD DISCUSSED THIS, UH, DEPOT ON PUTTING IN A PARK IN JANUARY AND APRIL.

UH, THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED THREE POTENTIAL PLACES AND RANKED THEM.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE, THE NEW PARKLAND AT LIBERTY AND EAST, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE PETERSON GARDEN AT MAINE.

AND METCALF.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SOME MAPS OF POTENTIALLY WHERE THEY WOULD GO.

UM, TWO OF THESE THREE ARE NOT CITY PROPERTY, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

UH, SO WE ARE SEEKING IF, ONCE AGAIN, IF COUNCIL WANTS SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UH, LOCATION.

UM, WE OBVIOUSLY WITH SUPPORT WE COME TO INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SUCH A FUNDING SOURCES AND THERE'S COULD BE SOME GRANTS OR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.

NEXT STEP IS TO FILE THOSE LOCATION, BUDGET, PURPOSE.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA BE DOING WITH THIS? IF WE TAKE AN I AND, UH, IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL IN THE CITY IN SCHOOL THAT IS HEAD TO SIDE SHOWS A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE LIGHT.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE PLEASE? LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS THE PARKS BOARD OR HPC OR STAFF, WHAT DO THEY THINK THIS IS GONNA BE FOR? WHERE THEY ENVISION, WHAT IS IT GONNA COST TO RELOCATE IT? DOES IT NEED TO BE UPDATED IN CODE? I THINK IT HAS ASBESTOS THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE MAJOR RE IT'S, WELL, I, NO, I'M NOT.

NO, I KNOW IT IS, IT DOES, IT DOES.

WHAT I'D LIKE IS THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHEN WE'RE BEING PRESENTED WITH THIS STUFF, ALMOST LIKE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THEN YOU GUYS, I MEAN, THE FIRST THING YOU KNOW I'M GONNA ASK IS, WELL, HOW MUCH, BECAUSE IF WE JUST SAY, YES, YOU COME BACK, WE JUST SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KNOW SOME OF THAT BEFORE WE CAN PROBABLY MAKE A DECISION.

AND ALSO WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE IS NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

WE'RE NOT TAKING THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

YEAH.

THE ONE THAT YOU SEE IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE THAT COMES OFF TO THE FRONT THAT WAS AN ADDITION PROBABLY BEFORE THE DISTRICT BOUGHT IT.

BUT THE TALLER STRUCTURE AND THAT ROOF LINE IS THE, UH, 1940S THEREABOUTS.

UH, DE UH, TO ANSWER THE ABATEMENT, UH, THIS, THIS CONVERSATION ACTUALLY GOES BACK SEVERAL YEARS.

THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION APPROACHED THE DISTRICT WHEN

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AND AT THAT TIME, THEY REQUESTED, UH, CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD OF CONVEYING IT TO THE CITY.

UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT MIGHT HOUSE ARTIFACTS THAT ARE HISTORIAN MR. FOWLER OWNS AND MIGHT BE TURNED INTO A MUSEUM.

THE DISTRICT'S ON THE HOOK FOR THE ABATEMENT.

SO WE OWN THE SHINGLES AND THE SIDING, WHICH ARE HOT, AND WE WOULD ABATE AND PREP IT FOR IT TO BE MOVED AND THEN DEMO THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.

UH, WE, WE, WE AS A DISTRICT WILL WANT TO GET RID OF IT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.

IT'S DECLARED SURPLUS.

BUT IF THE CITY HAD AN INTEREST BECAUSE OF STATUTE STATUTES, Y'ALL COULD BE A A, AN ENTITY THAT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THROUGH AN IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT COULD CONVEY TO THE CITY.

IT'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

UM, INTERNALLY, THERE ARE OFFICES, THOSE ARE SIMPLE STUD WALLS.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE KNOCKED OUT.

SO THERE'S SOME INTERNAL WORK, NON ASBESTOS THAT WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LARGE IT IS.

I BELIEVE IT'S MAYBE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

SO IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE DEPOT.

HENRY DID NONE OF THE, UH, DID NONE OF THE, UM, SHEETROCK PING AS AS NO, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING EXTERNAL.

WE, WE HAVE A STATUTORILY WE'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AN ASBESTOS PLAN IN A DISTRICT.

AND IT'S JUST THE SHINGLES, WHICH ARE THE TYPICAL SHINGLES YOU WOULD'VE SEEN IN THE FORTIES AND FIGURES.

SURE.

SOME OF OUR HOMEOWNERS HAVE 'EM.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE SHEETROCK.

CAUSE SHEETROCK, SOME OF THE SHEETROCK WE CAME OUT OF IT CAME OUT OF ASIA DURING THAT TIME, HAD ASBESTOS.

WELL, WHEN WE BUILT IT, WE BOUGHT IT.

EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THIS, THIS WAS A HOUSE.

MM-HMM.

WHEN IT WAS MOVED HERE.

AND THEN WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, IT WAS GUTTED.

AND WE, WE OH, OKAY.

WE WENT IN AND PUT OUR OWN WALLS AND OFFICES AND UH, AND THERE'S NO HOT, UH, MASK IN THE FLOORING.

THE WINDOWS DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL BY THE WAY.

YEAH.

THOSE, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY SPEND SOME MONEY WORKING WITH A FIRM TO RETHINK AND REDESIGN BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SKIN, UH, OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THERE ARE SOME SLIDING DOORS THAT ARE NON-FUNCTIONAL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, I GUESS LOADING.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, IS THIS ALL YOU NEED OF THE REGISTERS? NOT HISTORICAL TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

OKAY.

THIS WAS THE THIRD AND LAST DEPO.

ACCORDING TO MIKE FELL LISTENING TO HENRY, I'LL GET SMACKED AROUND FOR THIS IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.

ALL THE SIDING HAS TO COME OFF.

THE INSIDE'S BEEN COMPLETELY REDONE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY SAVING? AND IS IT EASIER IF WE WANT TO HAVE THIS BUILDING? CAN WE NOT POTENTIALLY BUILD IT? THE EXACT SAME THING HISTORICALLY, LIKE IT WAS IN THE FORTIES FOR THE SAME PRICE.

BECAUSE IF WE GO SPEND AGAIN, IT'S GONNA COST A FORTUNE TO MOVE THIS.

AND NO ONE THAT WAS HERE IN THE FORTIES WOULD RECOGNIZE IT BECAUSE IT'S GOT ALL NEW SIDING AND IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

AND YOU WALK INTO THE INSIDE AND IT'S NOTHING LIKE IT USED TO BE.

THEN I'D BE SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY TO SAVE WHAT YOU WOULD BE SAVING.

BASICALLY THE, THE, THE, THE SUB-STRUCTURE, THE, THE INTERNALS, UM, THE RAFTERS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

CUZ YOU WOULD BE REPLACING THE SHINGLES AND THE SIDING.

AND THEN, SO JUST SO HAPPENS THAT I WENT THROUGH THIS WITH, UH, A DEPOT AND WE MOVED IT AND WE STARTED OUT WITH JUST, IT WAS GONNA BE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFICES.

AND IT WAS FOR A WHILE.

AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A PUSH TO, UH, RESTORE IT.

AND I'M TO RENOVATE IT.

TO RENOVATE IT.

THOSE ARE DIFFERENT WORDS TO RENOVATE IT.

AND WE STARTED TO RENOVATE IT.

AND THEN THERE WAS A PUSH TO RESTORE IT.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE, THE DEPOT ENDED UP.

AND THAT WENT, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT 50 GRAND TO MOVE IT.

WE GRANTED WE COULD DO SOME SPECIAL THINGS WITH POWER LINES AND STUFF TO GET IT UNDERNEATH AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT, UM, IT WAS ABOUT 50 GRAND TO MOVE IT.

THE ORIGINAL, UM, RENOVATION RAN ABOUT $250,000.

AND THEN THE RESTORATION RAN ABOUT $1.2 MILLION.

AGAIN, WE'RE AT THAT POINT, WE'RE SAVING THE, BUT THAT WAS, WE'RE SAVING THE INSIDE THAT REALLY NO ONE WHO GOES IN WOULD SEE THE HISTORICAL VALUE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING GET RID OF OLD STUFF, BUT NO, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND, AND THAT BUILDING, THAT BUILDING IN PARTICULAR, UH, WAS THE ORIGINAL DEPOT.

IT WASN'T NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE.

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IT HAD LIVED MULTIPLE LIVES BY BEING MOVED OFF TO, TO BE A, A, A RICH MAN'S POOL HOUSE TO, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS.

SO, UM, BUT THAT ONE BASICALLY HAD PRETTY MUCH THE ORIGINAL FLOORING.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, LIKE, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS STILL REMAINED MM-HMM.

.

AND WHENEVER YOU WENT FROM RENOVATION TO RESTORATION, THAT MEANT WE HAD TO ACTUALLY GO AND PROCURE LIKE BARNWOOD FROM 1880 AND WIND AND GLASS FROM 1880.

SO IT WAS COMING OUT OF, UM, GYMNASIUMS OR, UH, CHURCHES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, BEING DEMOLISHED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

SO IT WAS A BIG, UH, ENDEAVOR, BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE.

SO THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT IT.

THIS ONE BEING THE THIRD ONE, YOU KNOW, I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE TO SAY MORE THAN ANYBODY, WHETHER OR NOT IT, IT HAS SIGNIFICANT VALUE, UM, TO, TO TRY TO RESTORE BACK TO A DEPOT OR IF IT'S JUST A STRUCTURE THAT WE WANT TO REPURPOSE FOR A DIFFERENT, FOR A DIFFERENT THING.

SO HOW DID THE CONVERSATION START? IS THE ISD ESSENTIALLY JUST, ARE THEY WANTING TO JUST THEY HAVE TO DEMO IT AND THEY OFFERED IT TO HPC FIRST BEFORE THEY DEMO ESSENTIALLY IS HERE, BUT I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE SITE SO THEY CAN GO FINISH CONSTRUCTION STUFF IN THE NEXT PHASE.

WE, WE DON'T PLAN TO RENOVATE IT.

THE BOARD HAS THREE, THREE OPTIONS.

UH, THE ORIGINAL REASON THAT, THAT THIS EVEN GOT STARTED WAS THE HPC REACHED OUT AND ASKED US, IT WAS BACK BEFORE THE COVID.

AND WE WERE GOING OVER OUR MASTER PLAN OF THE 200 COLLEGE STREET.

AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN THERE TO TRY TO RENOVATE SLOWLY OVER TIME.

AND, UH, THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION IN MIKE FOWLER SAID, HEY, IF Y'ALL ARE GONNA GET RID OF IT, CAN WE HAVE IT? AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION STARTED.

AND UH, AND THEN I TALKED SEVERAL TIMES WITH ASHLEY AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND JEFF AND I KNOW THAT THINGS MOVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OCCUPYING IT.

WE HADN'T FINISHED THE TARGET LONG STORY SHORT.

SO IT, SO IT'S DISPOSE OF IT.

WE CAN DISPOSE OF IT.

UH, IT'S SURPLUS.

SO THEY HAVE TO DECLARE IT AND DISPOSE IT.

UM, IT'LL BE AB EVADED BEFORE IT'S, IT'S DISPOSED OF.

IT CAN BE ABATED AND THEN AUCTIONED.

IT CAN BE SOLD OR WE CAN CONVEY WITH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO ANOTHER ENTITY.

UH, AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT THE DISTRICT GETS SOME BENEFIT, WHICH IS IF IT LANDS ON FAR PROPERTY, THEN OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND OUR TAXPAYERS HAVE SOMETHING THAT CITY FOLLOWS RENOVATE AND TURN IT INTO SOME HERITAGE SIDE.

SO THERE'S A BENEFIT THERE TO THE DISTRICT.

SO IF IT, IF IT WERE TO COME OVER, I COULD SEE, I COULD SEE IT EASILY SERVING AS, UM, SO BACK TO THESE OPTIONS, PARKLAND AT LIBERTY AND E STREET.

SO IF IT GOES TO THAT PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S BEST USE IS PROBABLY SOME FORM OF MUSEUM, HERITAGE MUSEUM HOLDING THE, THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT I KNOW, UH, MIKE TYLER'S NAME HAS BEEN MISSION SEVERAL TIMES, BUT I KNOW THAT HE'S KIND OF HELD ON AND KEPT.

AND THEN HE'S ALSO PASSED SOME THINGS OVER TO THE CITY THAT'S BASICALLY IN STORAGE WITH NOWHERE TO DISPLAY.

I COULD SEE IT BECOMING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CHAMBER.

I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAMBER ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT DO.

PETERSON GARDENS IF IT WERE TO GO THERE.

AND OF COURSE WE DON'T OWN PROPERTY AT TWO OR THREE, BUT IF IT WERE TO GO TO THE PETERSON GARDENS, UM, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT'S BEEN THERE IS TO, IS TO LOOK AT TRANSITIONING THE PETERSON GARDENS INTO A, UM, AN EDUCATIONAL WORKING FARM TYPE THING WHERE THE SCHOOL KIDS CAN COME AND LEARN ABOUT BEES AND LEARN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHICKENS AND LEARN ABOUT STUFF.

AND THEN THAT BUILDING COULD, COULD BE FITTED TO BE LIKE A LECTURE HALL OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE THE OLD PRAIRIE STYLE, UH, UM, SCHOOLHOUSE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO IT COULD BE REPURPOSED THAT WAY.

I, I THINK IT COULD HAVE MULTIPLE LIVES.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RESTORE IT VERSUS RENOVATE IT.

UM, AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESTORE IT, THEN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HUK.

RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE GONNA RENOVATE IT, THEN YOU COULD PROBABLY STILL DO HISTORY OF HUK AND MAKE IT LIKE A LITTLE MUSEUM FOR THAT.

UM, BUT YOU COULD DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING WITH IT WHENEVER YOU GO TO JUST RENOVATE IT.

YEAH.

SO I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD.

WE DON'T HAVE THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT WE DO HAVE THE THIRD STILL, RIGHT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE DEPOT? OH, JUST THE THIRD DEPOT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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.

AND WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY WITHOUT THE TRAIN.

SO, UM, ME LOVING, UM, THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWN AND HOW WE COME TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE AT.

I, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK ABOUT, UM, WHERE I'D LIKE IT TO BE.

UM, I WAS THINKING AT THE PARK, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, AT DURANGO THAT PARK WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE AND TURN IT INTO A SENIOR CENTER.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT PUTTING AT THE GARDEN AND, AND THAT CONCEPT, IT DOESN'T MEAN RESTORING IT TO THIS, TO ITS ORIGINAL, BUT ALSO BRINGING IN THE AGRICULTURAL CON CONCEPT OF HOW WE GOT STARTED AS WELL AND THE TRAIN AND HOW WE ALL CAME HERE AND WE CAN ALL GET EDUCATED.

AND I HOLD BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M NEIGHBORED TO THE GARDEN.

SO .

UM, BUT I JUST THINK THAT, UM, JUST THROWING IT AWAY WOULD DISRESPECT OUR ANCESTORS.

SO TO CARRY ON THAT POINT, THE, THE PETERSON GARDENS OWNED BY A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.

YEAH.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT EITHER DISCUSSION OF THAT BECOMING CITY PROPERTY EITHER FOR OUR PARK OR FOR THIS TYPE OF USES.

AND THEY SEEM VERY OPEN TO THAT POSSIBILITY OF THAT DEPOT MOVING TO THAT PLACE TO BECOME A LECTURE HALL MUSEUM OR RENTAL FACILITY OR TO THERE.

NOW THE PROBLEM IS THE SCHOOL CAN'T GIVE IT TO THE PETERSON GARDEN BECAUSE THAT'S AN IN INDIVIDUAL.

AND SO WE DON'T OWN THAT LAND.