* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IT'S [00:00:01] ONLY A MATTER OF TIME MUSIC. MM-HMM. , ARE WE GOING? ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SEVEN O'CLOCK. [Planning and Zoning] SO LET US CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JULY 11TH, 2023 TO ORDER AT 7:00 PM DINNER. AND FIRST ITEM IS ROLL CALL. AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER STEWART HERE. WELCOME ABOARD FIRST MEETING. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MOORE MORRIS. HERE, PRESIDENT, UH, WE HAVE VICE CHAIR LEE HERE. WE HAVE MYSELF, COMMISSIONER HUDSON, UH, COMMISSIONER BOYER PRESENT. AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER LAWYER PRESENT, AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WORTZ PRESENT FIRST MEETING. WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU. GLAD TO BE HERE. UH, NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP. IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY, HAVE A, UH, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON. OKAY. WELL, WE LIKE TO KEEP, UH, RECORD OF NAMES FOR THE MINUTES, BUT YEAH. HE'LL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM, WE, UH, GENERALLY LIKE TO KEEP YOU TO THREE MINUTES. SOMETIMES THE TIMER DOESN'T WORK, SO WE KIND OF WING IT. . OKAY. THIS WORK. HEAR ME? THIS WORKS. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, HELLO EVERYONE AND GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS BRUCE ANDERSON. I'VE LIVED IN THE GLENWOOD SECTION OF HUTTO FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS WITH MY WIFE NANCY. IN APRIL OF 2022, I JOINED THE LIBRARY BOARD TO BE INVOLVED WITH HUT CITY GOVERNMENT. AND AS AN AVID READER, I THOUGHT THAT BEING ON THE BOARD WOULD BE A GREAT FIT. I SOON FOUND OUT THAT THOUGH THE CURRENT LIBRARY IS AN ADEQUATE FACILITY, A PASSION GREW IN ME OVER THE PAST YEAR TO WORK TOWARDS AND DO WHAT I COULD TO HAVE A NEW STANDALONE ART LIBRARY BUILDING TO REPRESENT HU'S COMMITMENT TO EDUCATION, COMMUNITY GATHERINGS, AND BUSINESS MEETING ROOM NEEDS. I WOULD BE REMISS KIND OF AT THIS TIME, NOT TO MENTION OUR FOUR GRANDCHILDREN THAT ALSO LIVE IN HUDU, AND HOW THE NEW FACILITY WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE A PLACE TO BE PROUD OF ON THEIR EDUCATIONAL JOURNEY. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CITIZEN'S COMMENT TONIGHT, MAINLY DUE TO TWO THINGS. FIRST, BEING INVOLVED WITH THE TWO CITIZENS INVITED BUDGET EXPLORATORY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD THIS SPRING TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT DECISIONS. AND SECOND, MY RESEARCH AND VISITATION WITHIN THE PAST MONTH TO LIBRARY MANAGERS AND DI DIRECTORS IN THE SURROUNDING CITIES OF CEDAR PARK, GEORGETOWN, PFLUGERVILLE, BROWN ROCK, AND TAYLOR TO HELP EXPAND MY LIBRARY BOARD EDUCATIONAL COMMITMENT. SO JUST IN CLOSING, I HOPE THAT MY COMMENTS TONIGHT WILL INITIATE THE PLANNING AND DESIGN PHASE OF A NEW LIBRARY SO WE CAN BEGIN THE FIRST STEPS BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SURE. AND NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE WILL MOVE RIGHT ON TO AGENDA ITEMS. UH, ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION, IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING HELD ON JUNE 6TH, 2023. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UM, NOTE THAT MY NAME IS MISSPELLED AGAIN. OH, . AND ALSO MEMBER IS MISSPELLED ON THERE. IT SAYS M E O M O E O M O E. YEP. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OMISSIONS. ALL RIGHT. AND SINCE THAT IS ON THE FRONT PAGE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND SIGN THE BACK PAGE ON THAT ONE. OKAY. CAN I RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE SINCE I WASN'T HERE? UH, I WILL LET YOU AND TONY BOTH [00:05:01] RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS VOTE. THANK YOU. SINCE YOU WEREN'T HERE. THANK YOU. SO THERE WILL ONLY BE FIVE VOTES ON THIS ONE. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM, UH, JUNE 6TH, 2023, AS WRITTEN WITH THE ERROR CORRECTION TYPOS AS NOTED. YOU WANT TO SECOND INSTEAD? SINCE JERICA MADE THE MOTION, JERICA MADE THE MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY. I SECOND. OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR. OKAY. WHAT? I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MOR, UH, COMMISSIONER LAWYER, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO WITH TWO ABSTAIN, RECUSED, NOT ABSTAINED. NEXT IS ITEM 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE SPECIAL CALLED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING HELD ON MAY 16TH, 2023. UH, THAT IS, I THINK YOU'RE READING THE MEETING NOTES FROM I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M READING THE MINUTES. . THANK YOU. ALSO MAKING NOTES ON THE MINUTES. , IT'S ONE OF THOSE DAYS, THE TWO OLD GUYS, RIGHT? COFFEE, TWO OLD GUYS. DRINK SOME MORE. THOSE MORE GO JUICE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN. HOW ABOUT CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING CALENDAR. OKAY, HERE WE GO. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST STREAMLINING OUR PROCESSES A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE DID HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE BILL COME OUT IN THE LEGISLATURE TO, UM, KIND OF REFINE AND CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE SO LOVINGLY CALLED THE SHOT CLOCK BILL WITH 33, UM, 67. NOW, THERE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S NOW REFERENCED ON YOUR CALENDAR. UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS THE SUBMITTAL DATES WILL STAY THE SAME ON THE ZONING AND THE PLATS, UM, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT TO WHERE SUBMITTALS OR RESUBMITTAL, APOLOGIZE, RESUBMITTAL ARE ONLY ACCEPTED MONDAYS UNTIL NOON. UM, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL WHEN THINGS ARE COMING IN. AND CERTAINLY THEN THAT WILL HELP US ALSO PLAN THINGS FOR THE AGENDAS, BECAUSE AS THE AGENDA PACKET STATE, WE NEED ITEMS OR RESUBMITTAL SUBMITTED AT LEAST 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND SO AT LEAST THEN THIS FORCES EVERYBODY TO AT LEAST MEET. IF YOU MEET THAT MONDAY DEADLINE, THEN YOU'VE MET THE DEADLINE TO HAVE THAT IN IN TIME. UM, AND WE WILL BE DOING THIS FOR SITE PLANS AS WELL, THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE ALL SUBMITTALS ESSENTIALLY MONDAYS BY NOON. UM, BUT THE ONES THAT REALLY AFFECT YOU BECAUSE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS OR OTHER STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, IT'LL BE THOSE SUBMITTAL DATES THAT ARE IN THE PACKET ALREADY THAT ARE INDICATED IN THE, UM, DIFFERENT COLORS. I THINK FOR ZONING IT'S YELLOW, UM, OR IT'S USUALLY, I THINK IT'S YELLOW. IT'S THE MONDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THEN, UM, RESUBMITTAL BY MONDAY NOON, AND THAT CAN BE ANY MONDAY AT NOON. UM, BUT THAT ALSO GIVES STAFF WITH HOW BUSY WE ARE, THE ABILITY JUST TO KNOW IT'S AN ALL HANDS ON DECK SITUATION ON MONDAYS, BUT THEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONLY WHAT CAME IN ON THAT MONDAY TO REVIEW THAT WEEK AND TRY TO SPEED UP THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. SO JUST LOOKING FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE CALENDARS. I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. MM-HMM. , UH, FOR OCTOBER. YEAH, IT IS, UH, THE SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL DATE AND THE MEETING DATE ON THE SAME DAY, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. YES. SOMETIMES WE LIKE PUNISHING OURSELVES, . IT'S, IT'S TRULY, IT'S JUST WHEN IT'S NECESSARY. AND THAT WAS ALSO DONE, UM, JOHN HAD NOTICED WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID, DID THESE, IT'S, UM, TO REMOVE THE CONFLICT WITH, UM, THE NIGHT OUT, THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ALSO ON THEIR HOA BOARDS. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN BOTH AND DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO, UM, DO HALF OVER THERE AND THEN COME OVER HERE FOR A MEETING REALLY QUICK AND THEN RUN BACK HOME. SO, PERFECT. WE'VE MOVED THOSE SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE SCHEDULES. JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAY THE NEW RULE IS THAT THE MILLS ARE ANY MONDAY AT NOON, OBVIOUSLY FOR WHEN THAT WILL BE ON THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING, IT CAN OBVIOUSLY NOT BE THE ONE THE NEXT DAY. CORRECT. UM, SO HOW FAR IN ADVANCE ON THAT MONDAY AT NOON BEFORE IT CAN ACTUALLY BE ON THE AGENDA THEN 10 DAYS PRIOR. 10 DAYS? MM-HMM. . OKAY. YEAH, THAT, SO THE 10 DAY PRIOR WON'T CHANGE, BUT AT LEAST THIS WAY, IF THEY COME IN ON A MONDAY AT NOON, IT'LL BE AS LONG. IT'S NOT THE DAY BEFORE. WE'RE PRETTY SURE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 4.2, THEN? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CALENDAR AS PRESENTED. SECOND. [00:10:05] ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOYER. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. NEXT IS ITEM 4.3, AND I AM READING FROM THE RIGHT AGENDA. NOW, . THERE YOU GO. CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 32 50 LIMMER LOOP TO ALLOW OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY USE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, THIS ADDRESS MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE FAMILIAR IF YOU WERE HERE ON THE COMMISSION AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR. UM, YOU SAW A S U P FOR THIS SITE. SO THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS GENERAL BUSINESS ARE B2, AND THIS SITE IS HOME TO CHRYSLER ROCK CHURCH, UM, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 2020. HERE WE HAVE OUR ZONING MAP AND YOU CAN SEE THE ADJACENT ZONINGS AND USES TO THE WEST AND EAST. WE BOTH HAVE B2 AND VACANT TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH. IT'S SF ONE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S HU SQUARE. THE APPLICANT IS WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO USE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO ADD ONTO AN ALREADY EXISTING OUTDOOR GYM AND WORKOUT CENTER. THE ORIGINAL S U P WENT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 AND WAS APPROVED AT COUNCIL IN MARCH OF 20 20 20 20, 20 22. THANK YOU. . THE EXISTING S U P PROPOSED, UM, UTILIZING TWO METAL CONTAINER STRUCTURES, UM, FOR EQUIPMENT STORAGE AND A COVERED WALKWAY WITH AN OUTDOOR SURFACE FOR THE WORKOUT AREA. SO WITH THIS NEW S U P, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO ADD A SHARED WORKSPACE CONTAINER, UH, POLE BARN, UH, WHERE THE MEMBERS CAN GATHER BEFORE AND AFTER CLASS. UM, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ADD AN ELECTRIC METER FOR COLD TUB SAUNA FOR THE MEMBERS. THE APPLICANT HAS A SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT IN THE ROUND ROCK E TJ AND THE S U P IS REQUIRED FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY IN THE B2 ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CODE FOUR. UM, THE S U P, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT ARE LINED OUT FOR THIS, UM, ZONING FOR THE USE AND WHAT IT, THE ZONING ADJACENT TO IS. SO THAT'S SECTION 10.30 7.3, 2.3 OF THE U D C. UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS IN ACTIVITY AREA MUST BE A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE BOUNDARY OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. UM, THE EXISTING PARKING LOT'S ABOUT 195 FEET AND THE, UM, SITE FOR THE WORKOUT AREA IS ABOUT 140 FEET. AND THEN MORE CONDITIONS, UM, THAT ARE WITHIN THE CODE. UM, TALK ABOUT, UM, SCREENING, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, AND TO NO LOUD NOISE TO KEEP THAT NOISE. UM, DOWN HERE WE HAVE A SITE LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE, THE CHURCH AND THE STAR SHOWS THE LOCATION, UM, OF WHERE THE SITE IS FOR THE WORKOUT. TAKING YOU BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, THE, UH, SITE PLAN IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. AND THAT PICTURE IS THAT ROUND ROCK LOCATION. THIS IS THE PROPOSED, SO THE, UM, WHITE, UM, RECTANGLES ARE THE EXISTING CONTAINERS IN THAT GREEN WITH THAT WHITE IS THE EXISTING WORKOUT AREA. SO THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THAT LAST S S U P. SO WITH THIS NEW ONE, UH, THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT YOU CAN SEE IS WANTING THOSE TWO NEW, UM, CONTAINERS IN ORANGE, UH, A YELLOW BEING THE ELECTRIC METER PURPLE, THE SAUNA, UH, TUB AREA, AND THEN THAT BLUE BEING THE POLE BARN. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE, UM, CONTAINER AND GRASS AREA ALONG WITH THE SAUNAS, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT DOING THAT MORE NOW. THE POLE BARN IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT STAFF THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BETTER TO BRING EVERYTHING FORWARD AT ONCE INSTEAD OF DOING IT, YOU KNOW, PIECE BY PIECE AND HAVING TO COME BACK HERE IS A EXAM OR NOT. THE EXAMPLE, HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE SITE IN HU AND THERE'S ANOTHER ANGLE OF THAT SITE, THE LETTER OF INTENT. SO THE APPLICANT'S JUST SAY STATING WHAT HE WANTS TO, UM, ADD TO THE SITE, UM, FOR THE MEMBERS, AND THEN JUST IT'LL HELP THE SUCCESS OF THE, THE SMALL BUSINESS STAFF NOTICED 84 ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT FALL WITHIN THAT 600 FOOT BUFFER. AND TO DATE, STAFF HAD [00:15:01] RECEIVED, UH, TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. YOU HAVE BOTH OF THOSE STAFF ALSO RECEIVED ANOTHER RESPONSE, UM, WITH A CITIZEN WANTING JUST SOME CLARIFICATION. UM, STAFF RESPONDED BUT THEN NEVER GOT A RESPONSE BACK. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ALL OF THE S U P WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. UM, HERE WE HAVE LISTED OUT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS, UM, NO PARKING ON THE GRASS. KEEP THOSE LOUD NOISES DOWN AND, AND THEN, UM, THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE WORKOUT WILL BE. NOW THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THIS BOARD WITH THE FIRST ONE, SO WE KEPT THOSE THE SAME. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. ISN'T THIS A PUBLIC HEARING TOO? IS IT A PUBLIC HEARING? YES. IS A PUBLIC YES. THEN LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:16 PM AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FROM THE PUBLIC? RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:16 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE DIOCESE. OKAY. SO MY FIRST QUESTION, SO THAT LAST CONDITION, THERE MUST BE LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH MM-HMM. WITH THIS EXPANSION, BASED ON THE MEASUREMENT OF WHERE IT'S AT, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT IT, THE ADDITION OF THE POLE BARN WILL STILL STAY BEHIND THE FRONT LINE OF THE CHURCH. IS THAT THE CASE? BASED ON MEASUREMENTS? BECAUSE IS, THIS FIGURE IS ACTUALLY NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE BASED ON WHERE IT'S REALLY LOCATED FROM THE PICTURES, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE MORE SOUTH OF WHERE THE PICTORIAL IS, SO RIGHT. THE POLE BARN WOULD EVENTUALLY BE IN FRONT OF THAT FRONT PLANE OF THE CHURCH. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IT STILL IS BEHIND LIKE, I GUESS THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PARKING LOT. YEAH. WHERE THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST SAYING, I MEAN, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE PUTTING THE VERBIAGE IN THERE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE MEETING THAT CONDITION. SO WE MIGHT WANT TO RESTATE THAT CONDITION. YEAH. THE FOURTH BULLET THEN LET'S, IF WE COULD, DURING A RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU CAN CHANGE THAT VERBIAGE IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE WILL UPDATE THAT AS WELL ON OUR END. OKAY. I THINK THAT'D BE THE, WE CAN DO THAT. EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT. UM, SO, SO TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME FIRST, UH, UH, IS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES SO FAR WITH HAVING ENOUGH SPOTS FOR PEOPLE TO PARK? BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY, I DIDN'T COUNT, BUT THERE'S MAYBE ONLY LIKE 30 PARKING SPOTS FOR THE CHURCH CURRENTLY, AND I'M SURE YOUR PROGRAM HAS GROWN IMMENSELY. SO HAVE YOU HAD ANY ISSUES WITH PARKING AT ALL? NEVER. NO. LIKE, UH, I THINK WHAT'S OUR, LIKE 26 SPACES, I, I BELIEVE MM-HMM. , SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK LAST TIME I COUNTED, WE PRETTY MUCH JUST USED THE ONES RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY GET MAYBE FIVE AT OUR BUSIEST TIME, WHICH IS LIKE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM. . SO OUR BUSIEST TIME IS LIKE 6 36, 6 TO SEVEN. AND, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY 10 SPOTS OKAY. BEING TAKEN. SO THERE'S LIKE 15, 16 OVER. BASICALLY IT'S, THOSE SPACES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN IS MORE FOR LIKE OUR MEMBERS TO CONGREGATE. UM, ONE, WE WANNA TRY TO SELL APPAREL, UM, TO OUR MEMBERS, LIKE OUR SHIRTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND WE ALSO HAVE LIKE A SUPPLEMENT CUZ WE DO A LOT, UM, WITH LIKE MORE HEALTH AND WELLNESS. AND SO IT'S REALLY MORE WE'RE TRYING TO SOFTEN OUR LOOK WHERE IT'S NOT JUST A GYM BECAUSE WE WE'RE REALLY HEALTH AND WELLNESS. SO NOW IT'S LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHAIRS IN THERE, SOME, YOU KNOW, TABLES WHERE THEY COULD SIT AND SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN HAVE LIKE, PERSONAL TRAINING THAT'S NOT SO INTIMIDATING CUZ LIKE IN THOSE OTHER CONTAINERS IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT GUYS SWEATING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND WE DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OLDER PEOPLE AND YOUNGER PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T WANNA BE AROUND SO MANY, UH, PEOPLE I GUESS. SO A LITTLE MORE INTIMATE AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE, UH, OTHER CONTAINERS ARE GONNA BE. NO, PERFECT. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, AT LEAST FOR NOW IS IF WE'RE ADDING A COLD TUB AND A SAUNA, WHAT TYPE OF ENCLOSURE IS GONNA BE AROUND THAT FOR SAFETY? SO, YEAH, SO BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE IS ONE THAT CONTAINER IS GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE IN BETWEEN THE TWO CONTAINERS. SO THE ONE CONTAINER THAT WE WANNA GET IS 20 FOOT. AND SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE A WHOLE WALL AND THEN WE WOULD JUST PUT A, A FENCE UP, LIKE A CHAIN LINK FENCE TO, TO KEEP IT IN LOCKED. AND ONLY THE, WELL, YEAH, IT MIGHT NOT BE CHAIN LINK, I GUESS IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE NICER CUZ THE, THE CHURCH HAS TO LIKE APPROVE IT TOO. SO THEY WANNA MAKE SURE IT LIKE, LOOKS AESTHETICALLY, UH, PLEASING. SO, AND ACTUALLY WHO WILL PROBABLY PUT IT IN IS, UH, BUILDERS FOR CHRIST. SO OKAY. THAT'S LIKE AN ORGANIZATION THAT BUILT THE CHURCH, SO. OKAY. UM, I WOULD JUST [00:20:01] SAY AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PROBABLY TRY TO DICTATE A LITTLE BIT WHAT THAT FENCING SHOULD BE. I'M JUST THINKING FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND ESPECIALLY EVEN ON SUNDAY AS CHURCH IS HAPPENING, LITERALLY NEXT DOOR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE KIDS RUNNING OUT THERE PLAYING BASKETBALL AND STUFF AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OOH, POOL. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADEQUATELY STATED SOMEHOW. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S GONNA BE A 12 FOOT GAP. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FENCE TWO 12 FOOT PIECES. YEAH. CUZ THAT'S THE ONLY SPACE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT. ART'S, THE COLD PUNCHES THEMSELVES COVERED UP. YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY ALL COME COVERED THE COLD TUBS AND THE SAUNAS WILL ALL HAVE LO LOCKS ON THEM AS WELL, BUT WE OKAY. OKAY. WE STILL DON'T WANT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MESSING WITH IT. YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'LL BE HIDDEN. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT IS. OKAY. SO I REMEMBER THIS COMING UP THE FIRST TIME AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WAS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS WORRIED IF ANYTHING WAS FACING THERE. NO. SO IT'S TOWARDS THEIR HOUSE. IT'S ALL IN FRONT. SO YOU ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO THERE RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD BARELY O YOU CAN'T, SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE US, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN SEE HER HOUSE CUZ THE TREES ARE, HAVE GROWN AND EVERYTHING. SO IT'S ALL IN FRONT SO SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF IT. WELL THE, THE NEXT ONE THAT THE, THE PROPOSED NEW CONTAINERS THAT ARE ORANGE ARE FACING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION IS WHAT I'M LIKE YOUR GRASS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONTAINERS ARE L-SHAPED TOWARDS THE SUBDIVISION SIDE. YEAH. NOT TOWARDS THE CHURCH SIDE. YEAH. SO, AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS MORE, CUZ I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY Y'ALL WORKED WITH HER ON, SO HER WHERE, WHERE THE RED ARROW IS, THAT'S HER HOUSE. MM-HMM. . I JUST, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, IS THERE A REASON IT'S FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION? UM, ACTUALLY BECAUSE THAT WHOLE FIELD, UM, CHRYSLER ROCK OWNS AS WELL AND WE ACTUALLY JUST CUT ALL THAT GRASS TODAY AND IF YOU WERE GONNA SIT OUT THERE, IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT NATURE AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT FACING THAT WAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU WERE GONNA SIT OUT ON THE, ON THE TURF, YOU WOULD, YOU COULD LOOK AT NATURE RATHER THAN JUST LOOKING AT THE CHURCH AND IS IT JE YES. AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT DESIGN AND WHY THE INTENT THERE. SO WE LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO THE GYM WHERE WE HAVE MUSIC GOING ON AND PLAYING, THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A CO-WORKING SHARED SPACE. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE LOUD MUSIC AND SPEAKERS ANYWAYS. IT WOULDN'T BE DIRECTED. WE WOULDN'T HAVE MUSIC POINTING OUT. SO THAT WAS JUST THE DESIGN. IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, CAN WE CHOOSE TO LOOK AT LIMMER LOOP, LOOK AT CHRIST THE ROCK, OR AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE SUPER INVOLVED WITH NATURE AND HOW IT AFFECTS US, JUST EVEN ON A LEVEL WHERE IT'S VERY LIKE A POCKET. RIGHT. LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND UM, SO WE'RE SUPER INTENTIONAL WITH THAT, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SOME NATURE, SOME TREES, UM, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. OKAY. I JUST, YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING THAT BE FOR PRIVATE LESSONS AND STUFF, SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO OH YEAH, YEAH. LIKE I'M TALKING LIKE A ONE-ON-ONE PERSON MORE, MORE LIKE, NO, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE MUSIC OR NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. CONVERS ALL THE MUSIC. THERE WON'T BE MUSIC IN THERE. ALL THE MUSIC IS IS IN THERE. OKAY. THAT'S MORE WHAT I REMEMBER, MIDNIGHT. AND THAT'LL BE WHAT WE HAVE TO LONGEST GONE AFTER MIDNIGHT. YEAH. WHEN WE , YOU KNOW, THAT 2:00 AM YEAH. IS THAT, YEAH. UM, KIND KIND OF AN ADD ON TO THAT. WE DID LOOK AT THE LIGHTING FOR THE ORIGINAL TWO, THE WHITE CONTAINERS. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT ANY SORT OF LIGHTING ON THE ORANGE CONTAINERS AT THIS POINT? LIGHTING, RIGHT? YEAH. LIKE OUTDOOR LIGHTS. YES. THERE WILL BE OUTDOOR LIGHTS ON THEM. SO WE HAVE MOTION SENSORS THAT COME ON. OKAY. UH, WHEN IT GETS DARK. AND THEN TO BE HONEST, UH, CTS LIGHTS LIGHT UP THAT WHOLE YEAH. AREA. I MEAN THEY'RE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE POLES RIGHT THERE. YES, EXACTLY. BUT, UH, NO, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, WE HAVE SOLAR LIGHTS THAT WE MOUNT ONTO THEM. SO THERE, I THINK THERE'S THREE OUTDOOR LIGHTS THAT LIGHT UP THE FIELD THERE JUST IN CASE. CUZ WE, WE NEED IT DURING THE WINTER BECAUSE IT GETS DARK AT LIKE FIVE OR FIVE 30. SO YEAH, YOU WILL, WE'LL HAVE THEM ABOVE THERE. SO, BUT IT WON'T BE PROTRUDING OUT? NO, NO, THEY JUST GO STRAIGHT DOWN. COOL. SO THEY'RE LITERALLY ON THE CONTAINER AND THEY WOULD SHOOT, SHOOT STRAIGHT DOWN. SO THERE'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE, ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOVE THE, UH, PURPLE AND THEN PROBABLY TWO, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY A 20 FOOTER. UH, PROBABLY TWO WILL DO THAT WHOLE, UH, SECOND GREEN TURF AREA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE ELECTRICAL. UM, SO WE, WE CONTACTED, UM, ENCORE MM-HMM. . AND SO ENCORE I THINK IS COMING OUT. WE HAVE A, UH, A REP ALREADY AND I THINK HE'S GONNA COME OUT NEXT WEEK AND GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE COULD DO, WHETHER WE PUT IN A NEW METER OR IF WE COULD GO THROUGH THE CHURCH. I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY, MY THING, BUT WE, WE PROPOSED IT AS PUTTING A NEW METER OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, JUST SO WE COULD SEPARATE IT FROM THE CHURCH AND I DON'T, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM, UM, EXTRA MONEY OR WHATEVER. WELL, THAT, THAT IS KIND OF WHERE MY MIND WAS GOING [00:25:01] IS IF THERE'S A NEW METER, DO WE NEED AN ACTUAL ADDRESS FOR THIS FACILITY THEN FOR BILLING? SO I, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT I CALLED FOR OUR ROUND ROCK LOCATION. MM-HMM. . UM, AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE ADDRESS FOR THERE. I JUST CALLED WHATEVER WILCO'S, UM, UM, ADDRESSING I GUESS IT IT WAS AND THEY JUST, THEY GAVE IT TO ME RIGHT OVER THE PHONE. OKAY. SO I GOT NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. OKAY. I, I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE SOME SORT OF COMPLICATION BECAUSE OH, NOW THE CHURCH IS GETTING TWO DIFFERENT BILLS. TWO, YEAH. I MEAN WE'RE PRETTY TIGHT WITH THE CHURCH, SO YEAH. THE CHURCH ACTUALLY IS, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW YEAH, I KNOW PASTOR SKI KNOWS HOW TO FIND YOU . YEAH. YEAH. PASTOR SKIS MY, MY SON'S GODFATHER. SO , HE KNOWS HOW TO FIND YOU. YEAH, I THINK ON THIS ONE, WHAT IT WOULD END UP BEING, BECAUSE UM, THE CHURCH WAS ONLY PLOTTED AS ONE LOT AS WE WOULD ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE THE SAME ADDRESS, BUT IT WOULD BE KIND OF A AND B. OKAY. OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE CAN WORK OUT DURING PERMITTING ON HOW THE METER IS SET AND THE REST OF IT, WELL THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR GOOGLE. SO FOR GOOGLE WE ACTUALLY, WE PUT UM, LIKE UNIT A I THINK WE HAVE IT OR UNIT ONE. UH, AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OUR SEO GUY SAID IF YOU HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS AS IT, GOOGLE MIGHT LOOK AT YOU AS A FRAUD OR SOMETHING. SO YOU HAVE TO PUT LIKE A UNIT NUMBER ON IT. SO I THINK WE HAVE UNIT, UNIT ONE OR UNIT TWO. IT, IT SAYS IT ON GOOGLE. OKAY. WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT ALL CHECKS OUT CUZ UM, RIGHT NOW THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE 9 1 1 ADDRESSING. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ALL GOOD WITH THEM SO THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED AS WELL AS, UM, FOR THE PERMIT. BECAUSE ON THE METER SOMETIMES WE CAN JUST ASSIGN THE ADDRESS TO THE METER. YEAH. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN KEEP WHATEVER YOU'VE BEEN USING SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. AND THEN WE'LL JUST, WE CAN ASSIGN THE ADDRESS. YEAH. YEAH. WE WANTED TO DO SOLAR, BUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF SCREENS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO TO DO THE SAUNA IS GONNA BE A FORTUNE. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANY MIX UP. I SAY BUREAUCRACY. YEAH. MESS UPS, YOU KNOW. OH, NOW YOU NEED AN ADDRESS AND A MAILBOX AND A, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN WE'RE FINE WITH WHATEVER WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE, SO. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, THE LAST UH, CONCERN I HAVE IS THE POLE BARN. AND SO LIKE, LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER LEE WAS SAYING MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE WORDING SO THAT IT IS NOT FORWARD OF THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY LANE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. THAT WAY IT'S FORWARD OF THE BUILD LINE, BUT IT'S NOT INTO THE PARKING LOT. I THINK PHYSICALLY BASED ON WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT, IT'S GONNA EVEN HAVE TO BE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE THE DROP OFF LANE OF THE CHURCH? YEAH. SO THE ISLAND THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE. YEAH. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FORWARD OF THE ISLAND, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I THINK MEASUREMENT WISE, AND I'M JUST BALL PARKING IT, I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT BASED ON THE MM-HMM. SIZE OF WHAT'S BEING BUILT. SO WE CAN GO TO THE LEFT THERE, ALL THAT. SO LIKE WHERE THE RED SQUARE IS THERE THAT SAYS THE CONTAINERS THAT GOES ALL THE WAY. THE ONLY REASON WHY WE KIND OF PUT IT THERE SO WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT IT TO THE LEFT AND BY THE GREEN, BY THE OKAY. BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM THERE AS WELL. SO IF WE NEED TO PUSH IT BACK NOW THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S OUR DREAM. LIKE THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO THAT IN A FEW YEARS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. AND, UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, SO WHEN THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, TO TUITION, WE CAN UM, EITHER PUT IT TO THE LEFT OR WHATEVER. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEHIND THE POWER LINES AND, AND ALL THAT. SO, BUT IF YOU WANTED, YOU KNOW, AND IT COULD GO. YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT'S IT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM. . SO IN REGARDS TO THAT, UM, WOMAN WHO LIVES AT THE RED ARROW, COULD WE CONSIDER PLANTING TREES TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF YEAH, AND I ACTUALLY KIND OF TALKED TO HER, UM, NOT TOO LONG, LONG AGO CUZ WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HOA RIGHT NOW ON LIKE DOING SOME NATURE TRAILS TOGETHER CUZ THEY HAVE LIKE 26 ACRE BACK. UM, BUT THAT'S THAT MEETING. YEAH. AND UM, SO WHAT REALLY SURPRISING IS THE TREES BEF WHEN WE, WE TALKED TO HER IT WAS STILL WINTER AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE TREES, UH, WEREN'T FULLY GROWN. AND NOW, I MEAN I COULD BARELY SEE HER HOUSE. LIKE THE TREES ARE GETTING PRETTY BIG THERE. SO I THINK MAYBE EVEN ONE MORE YEAR. I DON'T EVEN THINK SHE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING. BUT WE COULD PROBABLY PUT ONE MORE TREE. BUT THAT, BUT IT, SHE, I DON'T THINK SHE CAN SEE OUR CONTAINER. SHE COULD SEE THE CHURCH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING THAT'S ALMOST 200 YARDS AWAY. MM-HMM. , [00:30:01] WHAT ADDRESS ARE YOU REFERRING TO THAT WE USE? NO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS HOUSE, UH, THE ONE IN THE CORNER, UM, I DON'T KNOW HER NAME. BEN? YEAH, THE FIRST HOUSE RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER MM-HMM. . SHE, SHE WAS THE ONE THAT HAD CONCERNS, BUT I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, WE FAR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, WE'VE NEVER, YEAH, I, I MEAN, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE GOING TO HER HOUSE AND HAVING HER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT, WELL I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHICH HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, IT BECAME HER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER IS HER, WHAT SHE TOLD ME WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED HER BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE LIGHTS THAT LIGHT UP CHRIST THE ROCK. THAT'S WHAT SHE DOESN'T LIKE. OKAY. BECAUSE SHE COULD SEE, SHE COULD SEE THE LIGHTS AT NIGHT AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T SHINE TOWARDS HER, BUT IT, YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK OUT IN A DARK AREA INTO A LIGHTED AREA, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY LIGHT. BUT THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE IN THE PARKING LOT OR THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THE ENTRANCE THEY LINE THE, THE ENTRANCE, UH, ROAD I GUESS. BUT THOSE AREN'T OUR LIGHTS. AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE POLE BARN. UH, IS THAT A CONCRETE FLOOR STRUCTURE? NO. OKAY. SO IT IS, IT IS OPEN AROUND, SO ACTUALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS JUST PUT OUTDOOR TURF IN IT. THAT'S HOW, HOW WE'VE LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE THEN UM, IT JUST WATER GOES THROUGH IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TAKING UP ANY OF THAT AND IT'S JUST EASY. TURF IS EASY, I LOVE IT. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT STRUCTURE THEN IF IT'S JUST A POLE BARN? OR WOULD IT BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF A SHED POLE BARN OR JUST I WOULDN'T CONSIDER A SHED. IT DOESN'T USUALLY HAVE WALLS. OKAY. IT'S JUST A, SO IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT STRUCTURE THEN IF A, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THE WAY IT HAS TO BE INSTALLED. YEAH, BUT I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT A SHED. IT WOULD JUST BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. I THINK I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON IT. I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY YOU FAVOR. CUZ I'VE, UH, WE EVEN CALLED SOMEONE AND I ASKED IN TEXAS IS NOT CONSIDERED A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. BUT I ALSO THINK IT DEPENDS ON, RIGHT, LIKE FOR PERMITTING I WOULD SAY YES WE NEED TO PERMIT BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WIND CAN'T PICK IT UP WELL. BUT AS FAR AS PERMANENT, IT'S NOT REALLY A PERMANENT, I MEAN BARNS. RIGHT. YEAH, NO, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. SO KIND OF TRYING TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS TO A NO AND I'M TRYING TO LEARN THAT TOO BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO MULTIPLE, UH, BUILDERS THAT, THAT CUZ THEY COME PREFABRICATED RIGHT. AND THEY JUST, THEY PUT 'EM TOGETHER AND THEY'RE USUALLY IN LIKE TWO PIECES. AND WHEN I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, I GOTTA GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, I GOTTA HOLD OFF CUZ I WAS JUST GETTING QUOTES AND YOU KNOW, ONE GUY JUST KEPT HOUNDING ME AND THEN, UM, AND HE'S LIKE, WELL WHAT DO YOU NEED PERMITS FOR? WHY? I'M LIKE, WELL I GOTTA, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SPECIAL USE AND I GOTTA, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE, THE CITY FOR IT. BUT HE ACTED LIKE, YOU DON'T NEED PERMITS FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED I GUESS TEMPORARY. WELL I HAVE DONE SOME GOOGLE, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE AND SOME OF THEM SAY THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, NOT PERMANENT STRUCTURES, BUT I GUESS THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, IT REALLY YEAH. GC REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S MORE SO JUST A PERMITTING THING JUST CUZ WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE SO THAT YEAH, I MEAN CUZ YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE ANY CANOPY COULD BE LIFTED WITH WIND MM-HMM. . SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO I WOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT IT BETWEEN PERMANENT AND NOT PERMANENT. I WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PERMIT THAT, UM, PERMITTED BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY. IF BIG ESTA WHEN COMES IN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SAME PERMIT, NOT PERMITTED PERMIT BY OLD EARS SO THAT WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THERE ADJACENT TO IT. ALL OF THAT. YEAH. I'M, I'M THINKING THIS SOUNDS LIKE A BACKYARD GAZEBO OR A PERGOLA THAT ISN'T ATTACHED TO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE AND I LIKE, OKAY, THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY PERMANENT TO ME. IF IT GOES UP AND IF IT COMES DOWN THEN IT WOULDN'T BE, IF IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE LIKE CANVAS STRUCTURES, SO IT'S MORE LIKE A PAVILION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF IT'S MORE OF A PAVILION, LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD SEE MUCH SMALLER THAN ONCE IT FRITZ, THEN WE WOULD NEED THE PERMANENT. OKAY. WOULD IT HAVE METAL SIDES? YEAH. YEAH. IT COMES ALL LIKE METAL AND THEN THE, THE SIDES AND THEN YOU COULD PICK HOW MANY DOORS YOU WANT. LIKE I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT TWO, TWO DOORS ON EACH END WHERE YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH OR WHATEVER. HELLO. OKAY, SO I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA, I'M JUST, SO I DID SOME QUICK MEASUREMENTS IN ONE BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE ADDITION OF THE UM, EXTRA 40 FOOT CONTAINER AND ALL OF THAT WOULD DEFINITELY GO OUT PAST THAT D DROP DROPOFF LANE. OKAY. SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT VERBIAGE. BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS THE PLACEMENT, NO MATTER, WELL REALLY NO MATTER WHERE YOU PLACE THAT POLE BARN, IT IS IN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT, UM, FROM THE HIGH LINES. SO DOES SO FROM THE CITY, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THEM PUTTING EVEN [00:35:01] THIS SORT OF SEMI-PERMANENT STRUCTURE IN THAT EASEMENT? SO EVENTUALLY WHAT I THINK WILL END UP HAPPENING IS ENCORE WILL HAVE TO, CUZ IT'S NOT OUR EASEMENT, IT'S ENCORE'S EASEMENT OR IT'S AN LRA L C R A EASEMENT. UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT BEFORE WE COULD ALLOW SOMETHING IN THERE. BUT WE TAKE KIND OF A BACKGROUND ROLE TO THAT OF JUST IF THEY'RE WILLING TO SAY YES, THEN WE WOULD SAY YES IF IT WAS APPROVED IN THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. OKAY. I THINK I MAINLY SAY THAT FOR YOUR GUYS' KNOWLEDGE TOO, THAT, THAT, YEAH. I MEAN I I WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT UNDER THE POWER LINES IF WE HAVE TO MOVE IT LEFT. YEAH. I WOULD MOVE IT LEFT OR I WOULD MAKE IT SMALLER. YEAH. YOU KNOW? NO, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I PUT IT AT I THINK 90 BY 30. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S CUZ THAT'S LIKE A, A STANDARD SIZE, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO 60, YOU KNOW, AND 30. YEAH. NOW I WAS JUST MORE, MORE FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO AWARENESS FOR YOU GUYS. JUST IF THEY END UP COMING BACK AND SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO BE AWARE. WELL I DE YEAH I DEFINITELY WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE POWER LINES WENT DOWN DURING THE, THE STORMS AND I MEAN IT TOOK 'EM LIKE FOUR DAYS TO, AND I WOULD NOT WANNA BE UNDERNEATH ONE OF THOSE LINES FALLING. SO YEAH, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GONNA PUT THAT. OKAY. UH, BUT IT COULD FALL OUTSIDE OF JUST THE YEAH. RIGHT. OF I GUESS THAT HIGH, BUT DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH SLACK YOU HAD. SLACK IT IS, YEAH. I MEAN THE ONE THAT FELL, I MEAN THEY WENT STRAIGHT DOWN, BUT THEY WERE, IT WAS, IT WAS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO FULLY PUT IT BACK UP. AND I JUST, WHILE I WAS TALKING, I WANTED TO, FOR THE ONE PERSON THAT MENTIONED THE, THE SIDEWALK PIECE, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT TO THEM THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN REALLY WORK WITH RIGHT NOW FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS PLANS TO PUT HOUSE. WELL HE'S SAYING HE, THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOA WORKING ON SOME ACCESS STUFF NATURE. YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT MORE THE, ONE OF THE, I WAS JUST ADDRESSING ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT SOMEBODY MADE IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CROSSINGS ACROSS LIMBER LOOP SPECIFICALLY. OH YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT COMING YET AT, AT THE SCHOOL. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MEETING, WHERE WERE WE AT? UM, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT NO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT SIDEWALK THERE BECAUSE ALL THOSE HOMES ARE COMING AND I GUESS THERE IS GOING TO BE A LIGHT THERE AT COTTONWOOD TO, CUZ THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE. MM-HMM. , YOU COULD SEE IT MM-HMM. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH AND THEN IT STOPS. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE GONNA SUPPOSEDLY IS WHAT I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION RIGHT WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS TO HU SQUARE. YES. THERE WILL BE A, A LIGHT AND A CROSSWALK FROM COTTONWOOD CREEK ELEMENTARY TO THE H O A, WHICH I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT'S GONNA BE LIKE SOONER THAN LATER, LIKE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO THEY SAID NO. OH NO. BECAUSE THOSE HO THOSE HOMES ARE COMING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. RIGHT. YEAH. UM, SO ONE OF OUR, UM, NEIGHBORS IS WORRIED ABOUT IT GETTING TOO CLOSE TO LIMBER LOOP AND CAUSING NOISE. BUT WE'RE STILL DOING NO LOUD SPEAKERS. NO. OH YEAH. AND WE'RE ABOUT 200 OR FROM WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE IS STILL ALMOST A HUNDRED YARDS AN ENTIRE FOOTBALL FIELD TO, TO LIMBER LOOP. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE PUBLICLY YEAH. DISCUSSED MM-HMM. , UM, JUST FOR OUR NEIGHBORS. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF A, A GOOD AREA OF ACTUALLY WHAT THE CHURCH OWNS. YOU COULD SEE THE, THE POWER, UH, PULLED THAT'S HOLDING UP THE POWER LINES RIGHT BEFORE THE ENTRANCE TO THE H O A MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR PROPERTY GOES TO WITH LIKE AN EASEMENT IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LIKE A 10 FOOT EASEMENT BETWEEN THE HOUSES, WHICH IS, I ON THE MAP IS STILL LIKE THE, THE DEVELOPER OWNS IT AND THEN HE OWNS LIKE ABOUT 20 FEET IN FRONT ON, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM LIMMER LOOP. OKAY. WHICH I GUESS IS JUST DEAD SPACE. ONE MORE COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I THOUGHT JARED, GO AHEAD. SOMETHING. ARE YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD. OKAY, GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO ASK, SO THE, THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WHO OBJECTED TO THIS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE SOUND AND THE NOISE LEVELS. SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR US WHAT TYPE OF NOISE IS PRODUCED BY YOUR ESTABLISHMENT? SO WITH WHAT WE'RE ADDING IS GONNA BE NO ADDITIONAL NOISE. THE ONLY NOISE THAT WE PRODUCE. I MEAN, WE HAVE KIDS, THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE, WE RUN KIDS CLASSES SO KIDS ARE RUNNING IN THE FIELD AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND, AND ADULTS AS WELL. UM, THE ONLY LIKE REAL NOISE IS WE, WE PLAY MUSIC, WHICH DURING OUR, OUR FITNESS CLASSES, BUT THAT ALL [00:40:01] SHOOTS THAT WAY AND THERE'S NO, LIKE, I'VE WALKED RIGHT BEHIND THE CONTAINER AND YOU CAN BARELY, BARELY HEAR IT. SO THERE'S NO WAY I COULD SEE ANYBODY AT A HOUSE HEARING THE MUSIC BECAUSE WHEN WE DO DO THE MUSIC, IT GOES THAT WAY. AND, AND THE, THE ONE NEIGHBOR THAT WE'VE TALKED TO, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WELL WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IF YOU COULD EVER HEAR IT, PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE WILL TURN IT DOWN. BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HEAR THE NOISE. THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GONNA MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KIDS PLAY LIKE WE, WE DO A LOT WITH KIDS. WE HAVE A WRESTLING CLUB AND JIUJITSU AND SPORTS PERFORMANCE AND, BUT NO INCREASED NOISE LEVEL BASED AT ALL OF THIS. NOT CAUSE THIS. YEAH. THIS IS MORE CHILL FOR TALKING. WELL YEAH. AND THE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, SHE'S THE ONE THAT LIVES ACROSS SLIMER LOOP. SHE LIVES IN THE OTHER, THE, IS THAT THE PERSON THAT WROTE THE EMAIL THAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET THAT SAYS HE OBJECTS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? THE FROM DANIEL ROWLAND? YEAH. THEY LIVE ACROSS. OH, THEN THAT'S NOT LOOP. NOT WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. OKAY. YEAH, THAT, YEAH, THAT'S VERY FAR. YEAH. AND ALL YOUR NOISE IS GONNA STAY BACK WHERE THE ACTUAL YEAH. CURRENT CONTAINERS ARE. THE OTHER AREAS ARE THE, THE CALMER JUST KIND OF HANGING OUT AND YES. YES. BASICALLY IT'S A, WE WANT IT AS WE CALL IT A SHARED WORKSPACE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME LIKE MEMBERS AND WE'RE DOING A LOT WITH MENTAL HEALTH RIGHT NOW. AND ALL THEY DO IS THEY SEE NO ONE ALL DAY CUZ THEY WORK FROM HOME NOW. AND SO IT'S LIKE AN A WAY THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE GYM AND MAYBE GO ON THEIR LAPTOP FOR, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR AND TAKE A LITTLE WALK AROUND AND BE IN NATURE INSTEAD OF JUST SITTING AT HOME ALL DAY LONG. SO THAT'S KIND OF OUR WHOLE GIST OF IT. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION MM-HMM. , UM, ARE WE GOING TO WAIVE, UM, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANY SCREENING UP? IS IT FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED? I MEAN, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IT MUST BE SCREENED AND BUFFERED WITH MS. MASONRY. SO ON THIS ONE I'M REMEMBERING THE CHURCH HAS A ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE AREA THAT THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THE WALL. UM, THAT THAT'S THE CHURCH. BUT WE'RE TALKING A DIFFERENT RIGHT. SO THE WALL WAS ORIGINALLY NOT REQUIRED IF YOU WANTED SCREENING, I WOULD SAY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE WITH THE CONSTRAINTS AT THIS TIME OF CONSTRUCTION ON THE OVERALL LOT THAT WE WOULD, UM, DO SOME TREES AND SOME OTHER, I'M JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME BACK UP, YOU KNOW, AT A LATER DATE. UM, I I THINK WE EITHER SAY YES THEY NEED TO, OR NO, THEY DON'T. ARE WE TALKING IN FRONT OR BEHIND FOR TREES SCREEN? I DON'T WHAT'S SCREEN MEAN? SO SOME SORT OF BUFFER BETWEEN YEAH. THE CHURCH AND THE HOUSES, BUT BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCE GRANTED BY, UH, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT MASONRY BUFFER YEAH. IS NOT REQUIRED. OH. SO AND, AND IT MAY BE THAT SINCE IT'S, IT'S, I I'M NOT SURE, BUT SINCE YOU SAID IT WAS PLATTED IN, IN ONE LOT MM-HMM. THAT, THAT MAY LIKE YOU SAID. RIGHT. UM, WELL, CERTAINLY WHAT WE CAN DO IS INCLUDE THE VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE NEXT ITEM. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL S U P WE SAID IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T, IT SHOULDN'T BE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCE THAT WAS ALREADY WITH THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE VARIANCE WILL GO WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST WITH THE USE. RIGHT. WELL, I I KNEW THAT THAT WAS FLOODPLAIN THERE. YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME BACK AND SAY NOTHING. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REQUIRED BUT, AND WIDEN IT THERE MM-HMM. AND I AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT IT WAS, THEY WERE GIVEN A VARIANCE ON IT. Y'ALL CAN CONTINUE TALKING. I'M LOOKING SOMEWHERE. THAT'S FELONY QUESTION. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.3. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 4.3 WITH THE EDIT FOR CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. UM, TO REWORD IT, TO REMOVE THE PORTION ABOUT BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE OF THE CHURCH. I'LL SECOND IT. UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADD, IF YOU WOULD CARE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT MM-HMM. THAT WE WILL INCLUDE THE ZBA DECISION ON THIS PROPERTY GOING FORWARD. SO THAT IT IS, YOU'RE MAKING [00:45:01] A MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO ADD IT? YEP. IS THAT A OKAY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? THAT WORKS. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THEN I WILL CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS THE BIG ONE, 4.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. I THINK ON THAT ONE YOU HAVE TO TURN IT ON, ON YOURS IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, I CAN GRAB THE ONE OFF THE MAIN. I JUST HEARD IT. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS TALKING TO THE MICROPHONE. SO, UM, BACK IN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT DAY IT WAS IN JUNE, WE PRESENTED, UM, A VERY LENGTHY POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD. I'LL THAT OVER. AND, UM, RATHER THAN TO REPEAT THAT AND GO THROUGH THAT SAME LENGTHY PRESENTATION AGAIN, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS, UM, WELL, LET ME BACK UP. SO AFTER WE PRESENTED THAT, YOU GUYS MADE COMMENTS AND SAID YOU WANTED US TO INCREASE THE PRICES BY AT LEAST 10%. UH, YOU WANTED US TO COME UP WITH SOME EVALUATION MECHANISM THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS. BUT THEN, UM, YOU ALSO GAVE US FEEDBACK, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH ASHLEY AND HER TEAM TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT YOU THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE ADDED. SO WE HAVE ADDED THOSE PROJECTS. WE HAVE INFLATED THE PRICES. UM, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN OTHER PROJECTS BY EITHER OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR CITY COUNCIL OR WHOEVER. AND SO WE'VE ADDED ALL OF THAT. BUT RATHER THAN UPDATE THE POWERPOINT AND TAKE YOU THROUGH ANOTHER LENGTHY POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR KIND OF LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR C I P PUT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE BUDGET CALENDAR, UH, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO THIS MORE OF A WORK SESSION. UM, ASHLEY, CAN YOU PUT THE SPREADSHEET UP JUST SO THEY CAN SEE? UM, SO I JUST FINISH THIS SPREADSHEET AT FIVE O'CLOCK THIS EVENING, GIVE OR TAKE, UM, . SO THAT TELLS YOU HOW, HOW QUICKLY THINGS ARE CHANGING MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO IF YOU SCROLL TO THE RIGHT OR IF YOU WANT TO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE WAY, WELL, WE CAN'T SEE IT. SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED TO THE FACILITIES PORTION, WE ONLY HAD ONE FACILITY, WHICH WAS THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. SO NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE HAD FIVE MORE ADDED MM-HMM. AND WHO ADDED THEM? SO CITY COUNCIL ADDED ONE, PARKS ADDED ONE, LIBRARY ADDED ONE, PD ADDED ONE, AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP ADDED ONE. AND SO, UH, SO I WAS WORKING ON THIS THIS EVENING, THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T IN YOUR PACKET BECAUSE I'M CONSTANTLY GETTING UPDATES. UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS. IF THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE IN THE SIDE, THAT MEANS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT PROJECT AND THEN THE ONES THAT WERE ADDED. SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, PLEASE, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WERE A BUNCH THAT ARE ADDED BY P AND Z. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU GUYS SAID WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE MM-HMM. . SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED THEM. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO THE GOAL TONIGHT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO KIND OF GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE LISTS OF PROJECTS AND NARROW THEM DOWN INTO WHAT YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY C I P BY ORDINANCE, IT IS YOUR C I P THAT YOU RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY THEN ADOPT AS PART OF THEIR BUDGET PROCESS. UM, AND SO MY JOB IS TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER TO PACKAGE IT, COME UP WITH A PLAN AND, UH, A SCHEDULE AND TRY TO PROGRAM IT OUT. YOU GUYS THEN MAKE COMMENTS AND TWEAK THINGS AND SLIDE THINGS AND DECIDE, OH, WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS IN 25, WE WANNA DO THIS IN 28, OR WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS IN 28, WE WANNA DO THIS IN 24. AND SO THEN WE MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES AND THEN TAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION [00:50:02] TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, I WILL ASK THAT YOU FIND A WAY TO REDUCE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. UM, AND LET ME CLARIFY THAT. I HAVE TALKED TO FINANCE AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, THE SKY IS THE LIMIT. IF WE COULD GET THE VOTERS TO APPROVE ALL THE BONDS, THEN YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. UH, SO THAT WAS ONE WAY OF ME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO LIMIT THIS THING DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO I COULD SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN $1 BILLION, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, RIGHT? IT, IT'S ONLY 841 A HUNDRED. BUT, UM, THAT DIDN'T WORK. AND SO MY GO-TO THEN IS TO SAY, PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR ENTIRE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY TWO PEOPLE AND WE ALREADY HAVE OVER 30 PROJECTS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO EXECUTE. AND SO IF YOU TRY TO ADD 30, 40, 50 MORE PROJECTS TO OUR LIST, WE ARE GOING TO FAIL. I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO SUGARCOAT IT. TWO PEOPLE CANNOT EXECUTE THAT MANY PROJECTS. I'M, I'M CURRENTLY TRACKING ON MY SPREADSHEET THAT I'VE INCORPORATED ALL OF THE, NOT TODAY'S, BUT UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS FRIDAY OR MONDAY, ANOTHER SPREADSHEET WAS SET OUT, SENT OUT. SO THAT WAS THIS ONE. BUT THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE MORE PROJECTS GET ADDED FOR THE PAST TWO DAYS. I'M TRACKING 120 PROJECTS, , AND I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SENDING THIS ONE TO YOU SINCE WE, UM, I WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT UPDATE JUST FOR YOUR OWN RECORDS. YEAH. UM, CHERYL, IF WE DO TAKE A BREAK, I NEED YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN THAT GROUP YET. OKAY. SO, UM, SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING, I'M UH, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU HANDLE PARKS AND FACILITIES FIRST, CUZ I HAVE TO BE HERE FOR THE DURATION, BUT THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE HERE. UM, SO IF YOU COULD FOCUS IN ON YOUR CHOICE, EITHER YOUR FACILITIES OR PARKS FIRST AND FIGURE OUT IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT THINGS, MOVE THINGS AROUND, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE CAN JUMP INTO WHATEVER YOU WANT IT NEXT. TRANSPORTATION, WATER, WASTEWATER. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. YOUR SHOW FIRST. WELL, PARKS CLASS. THE THE FIRST THING PARKS CLASS. YOU CAN HANG OUT TO DO OUR, UM, LIBRARY, DO PARKS FIRST. . SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE WE ALSO HAVE OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR IN THE ROOM AS WELL? YES. YES. AND SO, UM, WE DO HAVE MORE THAN JUST ONE FOR THE FACILITIES. YEP. FANTASTIC. UM, FIRST THING THAT CAME INTO MY HEAD WHEN I WAS SITTING AROUND THE HOUSE AND JUST PLAYING WITH THIS IS THE, UH, I CALL IT THE STAFF SCORING. YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SCORING PROCESS. UM, APPRECIATE IT. LOOKS GREAT. UM, A LOT OF THE, I'M GONNA SAY NEW PROJECTS THAT GOT ADDED ON DID NOT HAVE A SCORE ASSIGNED TO THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT THOSE CURRENTLY HAVE A SCORE OF ZERO. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY'RE A ZERO ? DOES THIS ONE HAVE A SCORE? THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW? THIS DOES NOT FOR ANYTHING. RIGHT. WHICH ONE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SO THERE WAS A SCORE SENT OUT, IT WAS ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE A LOT OF VERSIONS OF THIS SPREADSHEET. YES. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE TO ADD. AND THAT WAS, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT. I JUST FLIPPED IT OPEN. THAT'S NOT THE ONE YOU SENT ASHLEY. THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE HE'S TALKING ABOUT. . I KNOW I SENT Y'ALL A GOOD ONE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE IN PAGE A SCORING ON 2 50, 2 53 HAS THE SCORING. YEAH, IT WAS FROM THE LAST MEETING. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SCORING LIST. AND SO THE ONE THAT WE'VE UPDATED THAT YOU ALSO, EACH OF YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER VERSION AT YOUR PLACE. MM-HMM. , UM, THAT IS THE VERSION PRIOR TO THE ONE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. YES. THAT LARGE VERSION. AND I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO READ THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT EASIER. YEP. I DON'T SEE SCORE ON THIS. YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE SCORE. THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE SCORING. OKAY. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE THE SCORE. CORRECT. SCORING WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET. IT'S NOT ON THIS JUMBO SPREADSHEET. JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT. SO THERE ARE, IF I REFERENCE SCORES WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. YEAH, YEAH. SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ON INDIVIDUAL? YEAH. YEAH. SO WE, WE CAME UP WITH VARIOUS CRITERIA THAT WE TRIED TO USE TO HELP US RANK THESE PROJECTS. MM-HMM. BASED ON YOUR REQUEST FROM THE FIRST MEETING. AND, UH, IF THE PRO, IF THE PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS ALREADY, WE SAID THAT'S FIVE POINTS. IF THE PROJECT, UM, HAS A COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE, AND WHEN I SAY COMPLIANCE, I MEAN LIKE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, NOT LIKE TCE IT'S COMPLIANCE WITH RIGHT. [00:55:01] WITH SOMEBODY'S WISHES. UM, THEN IT GOT FOUR POINTS. IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS NECESSITY, UH, NECESSARY FOR GROWTH, THEN IT GOT THREE POINTS. IF IT WAS INCLUDED ALREADY IN AN EXISTING APPROVED MASTER PLAN, IT GOT TWO POINTS. AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UM, A KEY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT GOT ONE POINT. AND THEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT ALIGNED WITH THE COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PLAN, IT GOT ONE POINT. AND SO THEN YOU ADD UP ALL THOSE POINTS. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE SCORE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT COMES OUT TO 5, 9, 12, UH, COULD BE A TOTAL OF 16, COULD BE AS HIGHEST AS THE HIGHEST 16 POINTS. 16 IS THE HIGHEST WHERE YOU COULD GET, OKAY. YEAH. AND I BELIEVE THE HIGHEST THAT I SAW WAS 15. THAT WAS UH, FOR MAIN SWITCH FRAME. SWITCH GST. YEAH. AND THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. OH YEAH. YEAH. THERE WERE A FEW FIFTEENS. YEAH. AND I DON'T RECALL ANY SIXTEENS. OH SEE ANY 16. SO THE SCORING HASN'T CHANGED. SO THE SCORING HAS NOT CHANGED. AND AS WE'VE ADDED ALL THESE EXTRA PRO, SO THEY HAVEN'T, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ADDED, WE SCORED. RIGHT. BUT SINCE WE SEEM TO BE GETTING NEW PROJECTS ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE HAVE NOT CONTINUED TO GO BACK GETTING RESCORED. SO LIKE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED BY PARKS, THERE WAS A LOT ADDED BY PARKS. THEY MAY NOT, THEY'RE NOT SCORED. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF THEM DO BECAUSE THEY WERE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. PREVIOUSLY ELSEWHERE. UNDERSTOOD. UM, SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? DIVE RIGHT INTO I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK REAL QUICK, BASED ON THE, JUST FOR NICENESS, BASED ON OUR LIKE PARKS GROUP AND OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR, ANYBODY NEED TO SPECIFICALLY GO HOME EARLIER? , I'M JUST GONNA ASK I DO. WELL, SORRY, MY, MY THINKING IS THE SMALLEST CHUNK OF THE ELEPHANT IS THE FACILITIES FACILITY. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S PROBABLY SQUARE. THERE'S I SEE A TOTAL OF, UH, EIGHT PROJECTS ON THERE. YEAH. DO THAT FIRST. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY TAKING A LOOK AT FACILITIES FIRST? WE'RE FIRST YEP. I'M GOOD. IF THEY'RE GOOD. I MEAN, THEY'RE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, I DON'T, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THEIR TIME, SO. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE THE LIBRARY. WE THEN WE'LL GO TO PARK. WE CAN KNOCK IT AFTER FACILITIES. FACILITIES. WE HOPEFUL. KNOCK IT OUT QUICK. I HOPE SO. WELL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I THINK. OKAY, SO FOR PARKS, I SEE EIGHT PROJECTS, FACILITIES, UH, FACILITIES. THANK YOU. FOR FACILITIES. I SEE EIGHT PROJECTS. BUT ONE OF THOSE WAS MOVED, THE REC CENTER WAS 2027 F OH ONE, AND THAT WAS MOVED TO 2028 P ZERO TWO. SO THAT ONE GOT MOVED CATEGORIES, I DUNNO WHERE. WOW. I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. I'M NOT EITHER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, YEAH, I HAVE NOTHING. OH, ORIGINALLY FROM THE LAST MEETING IT WAS 2028 P ZERO TWO. IN THE LAST MEETING IT WAS 2028. YEAH. THAT FROM THE LAST MEETING? YES. OKAY. AND NOW THIS ONE, IT'S 2027 F OH ONE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TOO MANY VERSIONS OF THIS SPREADSHEET. YEAH. YES. I BELIEVE WE ARE CORRECT. SO, YEAH, I THINK ORIGINALLY WAS PUT IN AS A PARK PROJECT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A BUILDING AND AN ACTUAL FACILITY, WE MOVED IT OUT OF PARKS AND PUT IT IN FACILITIES. OKAY. SO I MAY HAVE IT REVERSED THEN. SO THE 2 MILLION IN 2028 SHOULD BE 2 MILLION IN 2027. THE, IT SHOULD BE IN FACILITIES, NOT IN PARKS. DID YOU GIVE HER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS? UM, NO. THE WAY, SO WHEN IT GOT SHIFTED, WE ALSO UPDATED THE, THE BREAKDOWN. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THIS TO YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE IN 2027 WE START THE FEASIBILITY PROGRAMMING STUDY. GOT IT. AND SO THAT'S $175,000. AND THEN IN 2028, BALL PARKING, WE WOULD SPEND ABOUT 2 MILLION FOR THE FIRST PART OF CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. OBVIOUSLY THIS FACILITY WOULD TAKE MORE THAN $2 MILLION, BUT WE O WE ONLY PROGRAM OUT TO 28 BECAUSE IT'S A FIVE YEAR CIP. SO IN 29 AND SO ON, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CONTINUE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE THERE FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY OR THE POLICE STATION. OKAY. UH, RICK MM-HMM. FOR EFFICIENCY. DO YOU THINK WE, I MEAN, CAN WE HAVE THIS SPREADSHEET, THE CURRENT ONE THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THE SAME ONE DIGITALLY? THIS, JUST THAT ONE. IT'S RIGHT HERE. THAT'S [01:00:01] IT. OKAY. UM, I THOUGHT TOWER WE WERE WORKING ON ANOTHER ONE. I'M, I'M USING THIS TO MAKE NOTES. OKAY. SORRY. YEP. SO WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REC CENTER, JUST JUST A, A, A THING, IS THERE ANY, I KNOW ATHLETIC FIELDS WERE COMPLETELY SEPARATE ITEM. UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CAN BE COMBINED? CUZ I KNOW THE RECREATION CENTER IDEALLY WOULD, I KNOW IT'S A BUILDING, BUT FOR EASE OF COSTS AND EVERYTHING, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT COULD BE COMBINED WITH THAT PORTION? AGAIN, TRYING TO GIVE YOU LESS PROJECTS TO FOCUS ON IF YOU COMBINED THINGS TOGETHER. HEY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC. SO THE QUESTION WAS CAN WE COMBINE SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS? AND THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY. UM, IF WE WANT TO CONVERT, UH, SOME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND, AND WE CALL IT DURANGO PARK AS ONE PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA SEIZE THAT. OR IF WE WANNA MM-HMM. , UH, COMBINE THE REC CENTER AND ADELAIDE FIELDS. WE CAN, WE CAN SURELY DO THAT. OKAY. I WAS, I WAS JUST CHECKING IF THERE WAS SOME, SOME TALK ABOUT DOING THAT. UM, I, OKAY. AND THEN JUST, UH, THE NOTE LOCATION WISE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PER THE COMP PLAN, WE'RE DOING THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTERS NOW, UM, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REC CENTER IS LOCATED IN A COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER IN THE NEW COMP PLAN. UM, IF ALL POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE, THE PLAN. I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA ENGINEER UNTIL 27. I THINK PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY FOR IT. IT'S KINDA LIKE, UM, IS, IS A ROCK AND RIVER A WATERPARK? MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WELL IT IS, BUT IF YOU'VE GONE TO KALAHARI, IS IT REALLY A WA IS IT A WATER PARK? SO A REC CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER, UH, THOSE TYPE OF TERMS GET USED IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK IT JUST MEANS A, A MULTI-PURPOSE USE SPACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR FUNCTIONS FOR MEETING ROOMS THROUGH GYMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEP, YEP. TRACKING THAT, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT LOCATION WISE, THAT WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT FOLLOWS THE COMP PLAN AND WE PUT IT IN A COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE HAVE TO DO ONCE WE GET IT PROGRAMMED AND THEN WE START LOOKING INTO WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO ACQUIRE LAND AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD, UM, WORK WITH JEFF AS WELL AS ASHLEY MM-HMM. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LINING UP ALL OF OUR PLANS TOGETHER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, THEN TWO OTHER ITEMS ON PUBLIC WORKS THAT I CLASSIFIED AS PUBLIC WORKS. UH, ONE WAS THE EMERGENCY SERVICE DUAL BAND RADIOS. SINCE THEY DIDN'T REALLY FIT INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY, I PUT 'EM IN PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. UH, I ALSO PUT THE $6,000 TRAILER SINCE I WASN'T SURE WHERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING ASSIGNED. IS THAT EMERGENCY MANAGER. YEAH. AND, AND JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, PART OF THAT IS WE'RE ROLLING OUT NEW SOFTWARE, WE'VE GOT NEW DEPARTMENT HEADS. UM, A LOT OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH A C I P PROCESS LIKE THIS. AND SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NOT SEE A $6,000 VEHICLE IN YOUR C I P UM, TYPICALLY, AND, AND EVERY CITY DOES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND WE'RE, WE'RE ADJUSTING AS WE GO. BUT, UM, IT VARIES FROM CITY TO CITY. SO TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IS ABOVE A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT WITH A CERTAIN LIFE'S SPAN IS WHAT GOES INTO YOUR CIP. SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S GOT A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN AND IT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT GOES IN OUR CIP BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA USE DEBT TO ACQUIRE VERSUS SOMETHING. AND WE ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A, AN ITERATION THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHARED WITH YOU THAT HAD A BUNCH OF VEHICLES IN THERE. AND SO I WENT BACK TO ALL THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAID, WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE VEHICLES IN THERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE LEASE OPTIONS. THOSE ARE NOT DEBT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN. AND SO WE PULLED ALL THAT OUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA CONSIDER THAT. OKAY. BUT SOME OF THESE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF ODDBALLS THAT DIDN'T REALLY FIT ANYWHERE ELSE. AND SO I, I JUST PLUGGED 'EM INTO PUBLIC WORKS SO THAT WE COULD TRACK THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I MEAN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND KEEP THOSE CUZ THAT DOESN'T PUT ANY BURDEN ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO ORDER RADIOS OR TRAILERS . SO THEN WHAT I'M SEEING IS FOUR PROJECTS FOR 2024 IN THE, UH, FACILITIES. I SEE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, THE JUSTICE CENTER, THE TRAIN DEPOT PROJECT, AND THE LIBRARY BRANCH ONE OR YEAH, THE LIBRARY, THE ENGINEERING. REAL QUICK ENGINEERING FOR THE LIBRARY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN [01:05:01] WHAT IS THE TRAIN DEPOT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I'M SURE I'VE BEEN ON IT. SO, UM, WELL JUST FYI, I DO HAVE A COUPLE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS HERE. UH, YEAH. IF THEY, IF I CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THEY CAN. SO THE TRAIN DEPOT IS CURRENTLY USED BY THE HU I S D AS THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUILDING. IT'S THERE ON PECAN AND CHURCH FARLEY COLLEGE. COLLEGE, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ADMIN BUILDING. IT'S THE OLD YELLOW BUILDING. OKAY. IT'S THE THIRD OLDEST DEPOT IN HUT. AND WE HAD A WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL AND UH, THE DIRECTION WAS KIND OF TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MOVE IT TO POTENTIAL ANOTHER PLACE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL NEEDS TO MOVE IT AND HAS ABOUT A YEAR TO DO SO. UM, AND THEY CAN WORK ON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, GIVE IT TO US, BUT THEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANNA PUT IT AT. OKAY. AND SO THIS COST RIGHT HERE IS, WE HAD SOMEBODY COME OUT, NOT TAKE A LOOK AT THE INSIDE, BUT JUST LOOK AT THE OUTSIDE AND FIGURE WHAT IT WAS GONNA COST TO, CUZ IT DOES HAVE ASBESTOS SHINGLES AND THE SCHOOL'S GONNA HAVE TO ABATE IT BEFORE THEY MOVE IT TO US OR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT THE NEW ROOFING, NEW WINDOWS, NEW SIDING, HVAC, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION, ALL THAT STUFF. AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE EXPANDED. YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE AREA THAT, THAT'S THE BALLPARK THAT THEY LOOKED AT IS THEY GAVE US FOR ALL THAT. OKAY. I JUST NEVER KNEW THERE WAS A TREND DEPOT. YEAH. I DIDN'T EITHER. AND THAT'S FOR MOVING IT ALSO. THAT IS, YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, HE DID NOT GO IN THE, THE, THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR DID NOT GO INSIDE AND LOOK AT, SO IT MAY COST MORE. AND WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT BECAUSE, UH, IN OUR WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL, THERE WERE SOME THAT VALUED ITS WANTED TO SAVE IT. AND THE OTHER ONES THERE'S KINDA LIKE, WHY AREN'T WE SAVING IT? YOU KNOW? UM, SO IT WAS, YEAH, IT'S LIKE, YEAH. SO COST LESS TO DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW. WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, IS IT, IS THAT COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT TO IT STORE? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU DO. THAT WAS, THAT INCLUDED THE COST TO, TO BA SO THERE WAS ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, FOUNDATION, ROOFING, SIDING, NEW WINDOWS, A DECK OUT BACK DEMOLISH AND TO MOVE IT. AND THE COST WAS 187,000. SO WE ROUNDED UP TO 200 DISTRICT CUTS. IS THERE, IS THERE A HISTORICAL REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS? YES. NO, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. NOT REALLY DEMOLISH IT. WELL THE, SO, SO YOU'RE GOING THERE OFFICIALLY IS THAT'S MY THOUGHT. SO YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT, THERE'S A HISTORICAL OF $180,000 TO MOVE IT AND TO REHAB IT. TOTALLY REHAB. YES. THIS IS WHAT THEY, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS A, A FIGURE THAT WE PULLED FROM AN ACCURATE SOURCE BASED ON OKAY. ALL KNOWN, UH, THE INFORMATION THEY COULD PULL, THEY DIDN'T, LIKE I SAID, THEY DIDN'T TO GET A CHANCE TO GO INSIDE AND SEE WHAT THE CONDITION WAS. WE, WE WERE BASING ON WHAT THE SCHOOL HAS KIND OF TOLD US ON THAT SITUATION. IT'S A THOUGHT TO PUT IT, TO PUT IT BACK INTO FRITZ PARK OR IS IT? NO, THE PARKS BOARD VOTED ON THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO, TO RECOMMEND TO DO THAT. UM, AND SO THIS, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY? SO THE THREE LOCATIONS WERE, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORDER, BUT DURANGO, DURANGO, THE NEW PARK AT DURANGO IN LIBERTY AND EAST GARDENS, UH, THE PETERSON GARDENS AND THE, UH, POT POTENTIALLY DOWNTOWN WHERE THE CHAMBER IS. YES. SO TWO OF THOSE PROPERTIES THE CITY DOESN'T OWN. SO WE'VE GOTTA DO SOME EITHER INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS OR MOUS OR BUY SOME LAND OR GET SOME LAND DONATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. JEFF, IF WE MOVED IT, WHAT WOULD WE EVEN DO WITH IT ONCE WE MOVED IT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. IT COULD STILL, I THINK, SO I ATTENDED THAT SESSION THAT COUNCIL HAD, AND THE FEELING THAT I GOT FROM COUNCIL AND FROM THE I S D WAS THE I S D DIDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT ANYMORE AND WANTED TO SEE IF THE CITY WANTED TO DEAL WITH IT. SO THERE'S NO INTENDED USE FOR THIS BUILDING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING. SO IT SOUNDS AND ACTUALLY BEEN SEVERAL, WELL, THE PETERSON GARDENS HAD A USE FOR IT. YEAH, IT'S IT, BUT IF THERE'S NO DEFINITIVE PLAN AND HOW, HOW BIG IS THIS BUILDING? IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET. YEAH, IT'S ABOUT, I'M SORRY, LESS THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S NOT BIG. SO IT, IT COULDN'T BE USED FOR LIKE A LARGE GATHERING PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE USED TO FOR A, UM, COMMON MEETING ROOM OR, UM, SOME TYPE OF FUNCTION LIKE THAT. AND SO ONE, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT'S BEEN FLOATED OUT THERE, UH, IS THAT, UM, PUTTING IT AT THE PETERSON GARDEN, HAVING THE PETERSON GARDEN BASICALLY GET KINDA REBRANDED AS A, AS A WORKING FARM, SO TO SPEAK. AND THAT COULD BE A PLACE WHERE SOME OF THE HISTORICAL ITEMS THAT IS WE'VE ATTAINED OVER THE YEARS, UH, COULD BE HOUSED AT. SO ALMOST LIKE A QUOTE UNQUOTE WALK-IN MUSEUM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE CITY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO PAY FOR THAT. THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT, THE UPKEEP, THE, IF IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY, ADMINISTRATIVE IT, AND ALL OF THAT. RIGHT. SO I HAVE TO ASK REALLY QUICK, WELL TWO THINGS. ONE, THE [01:10:01] ISD OWNS IT RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM. , YES. OKAY. SO IN THAT CONTEXT, I WOULD ALMOST SAY THE ISSD NEEDS TO FRONT THE MAJORITY OF THE COST OR ALL OF IT. THE SECOND THING IS, JUST TO CONFIRM WITH ASHLEY, CUZ SHE SMILED A WHILE AGO, THERE IS A, HIS , I'M JUST LIKE, IT'S MY FAVORITE. UH, THERE IS HISTORICAL PART OF THIS BUILDING. RIGHT. SO WE CAN TECHNICALLY JUST DEMOLISH IT. CORRECT. SO BECAUSE THE BUILDING IT, THERE ARE HISTORICAL ASPECTS TO IT, IT HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO, BUT IT DOES STILL HAVE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF, AS FAR AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE IS THE DESIRE BY HPC TO SAVE THE BUILDING POTENTIALLY. YEAH, WE DO HAVE OPTIONS. IT'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH HPC IS THAT IF THE CITY DOESN'T TAKE IT OVER, THE ISD MAY HAVE OTHER BUYERS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THIS WORK AS WELL. UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO VET THAT. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WORKSHOPPED WITH COUNCIL AND THIS IS WHERE THEY'VE DIRECTED STAFF TO GO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO STATE IT UP FRONT. I MEAN, COST-WISE IT'S ISD PROPERTY, THEY, THEY TECHNICALLY NEED TO FRONT WHATEVER COST IT IS TO REHAB IT, POTENTIALLY MOVE IT. I MEAN I GET THAT THE CITY WANTS TO POSSIBLY COME IN AND I WILL SAY WE'VE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ISSD. THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT, UM, POTENTIALLY HELPING WITH SOME OF THIS COST. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR THAT? AND IF WE GET OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, THEN THAT WOULD REDUCE THAT COST OVERALL. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT TALKING POINT FOR THIS PLACE TO START. CUZ THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD AND KIND OF DIRECTION WE HAVE. AND IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO, TO P AND Z, WHETHER THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, PUN IT DOWN THE LINE OR JUST KICK IT TO COUNCIL. JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S IN 2024 BECAUSE THERE IS A DEADLINE FOR I S D TO DO SOMETHING, THE SCHOOL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. BUT IF IT GETS PURCHASED OR WHOEVER GETS IT, IF IT HAS THAT HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, THE REHAB ON IT HAS TO REHAB IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORICAL CORRECT, UH, WAY THAT IT WAS. I MEAN, SO FROM, IT CAN'T BE ALL NEW STUFF. RIGHT. SO A LOT OF IT, WHAT HAS TO BE REHABBED IS MORE OF THE ASBESTOS SHINGLES ON THE OUTSIDE. THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS IN DECENT CONDITION. THE INSIDE IS ACTUALLY IMPECCABLE AS WELL. YEAH. UM, BUT WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH IS THE ASBESTOS OUTSIDE. WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE LARGER KIND OF SLIDING DOORS IS STUCK. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, BUT AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, UM, AND JUST FROM MY VISUAL ON THE BUILDING, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN CHANGED OUT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ADDED A SLIDING GLASS DOOR WHERE SOMETHING SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. AND WE NEED TO TAKE THAT BACK TO, UM, OUR HISTORIC, UM, LEVEL. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WAS MADE IT WAS THE FLOORING YEAH. WAS NOT, WAS UPDATED. THEY HAVE LIKE, UM, FORGIVE MY TERM, STORM WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOWS. SO I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT MM-HMM. SOMETHING THAT'S HISTORICAL, GOT A BILLION DOLLAR C I P AND $200,000 HERE. YEAH. AND SO THE QUOTES THAT THEY GAVE YOU THEN, WAS IT FOR TAKING IT BACK TO THE HISTORICAL, UH, REHAB OR WAS IT JUST REHABBING IT? I THINK IT WAS JUST REHABBING IT. WELL SEE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET DIFFERENT, IT'S REALLY JUST FOR THE SHINGLES AT THIS POINT ON THE OUTSIDE. THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW WE WOULD HAVE TO DO. IF, IF A WINDOW BREAKS, YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO REHAB IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. UH, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE OF THE WORK AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN PLAN THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT WORK. UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ISSUES ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S TRULY AT THIS POINT, WE JUST KNOW THAT YES, THERE'S ASBESTOS, WE WOULD NEED TO GET THAT OUT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY. UM, AND THEN ALSO TO MEET STATE LAW, ONCE WE TOUCH A BUILDING WITH ASBESTOS, WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS. YES. THE SHINGLES IN THE, UM, SIDING THAT HAVE ASBESTOS IN IT, THAT, SO THEY HAVE TO, SCHOOLS SAID THAT THEY WOULD ABATE IT AND HANDLE IT, BUT WE CAN'T OBVIOUSLY HAVE JUST AN EXPOSED BUILDING OUT THERE. SO WE'VE GOTTA COORDINATE SCHEDULES AS TO WHEN WE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT, WHAT'S THE FINAL CONDITION, WHAT'S THE FINAL PURPOSE GONNA BE, UM, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE WITHOUT DIRECTION FROM P, P AND Z AND COUNCIL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, AND, AND WELL REAL QUICK, THIS'S $200,000, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO REHAB THAT IF, IF THE CITY HAS TO BUY LAND, THEN WE'RE TALKING YEAH, THAT WAS JUST TO, THAT WAS JUST TO GET IT FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND WE CHOSE, UH, THE POINT B AS THE PETERSON GARDEN BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY YEAH, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE FURTHEST DISTANCE UNTIL WE FIGURED OKAY. IF IT WAS SHORTER, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE EXPENSIVE. LIKE I SAID, THAT TWO OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDED, WE LOOK AT THE CITY DOES NOT OWN. OH, PETERSON GARDENS PROBABLY PETERSON GARDEN. PETERSON GARDENS IS OWNED BY A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL. AND THEN THE, THE, THE DURANGO PARK AS YOU SEE [01:15:01] HERE ON YOUR C I P FOR 25, 26 HAS NOT BEEN, A LOT OF THAT IS IN DESIGN. SO IF THAT WERE THE FINAL LOCATION, THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO BUMP UP THE DESIGN THAT GOES WITH THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO PUT SOMETHING THERE AND THEN TRY TO HAVE TO DESIGN AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, WHEN DURANGO PARK WAS DONATED, THE LAND WAS DONATED BY THE DEVELOPER, DID HE NOT AGREE TO HELP DESIGN THE PARK? I THOUGHT HE DID. UH, I BELIEVE THEY, THEY GAVE LIKE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO HELP WITH THE FUNDING. DO I THINK THEY JUST GAVE DOLLARS? THEY GAVE AN AMOUNT AND IT WENT TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE OKAY. PRESSING. OKAY. YEAH. ALL OKAY. LIKE THE LAKESIDE LIFT STATION AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. UM, OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AS FAR AS THE TIMING ON THIS ONE GOES, IF, SO, IF, IF WE JUST, IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR, WHAT THE ISDS DROP DEAD DATE IS FOR THIS BUILDING? SO WE, WE HAD A WORK SESSION WITH THEM, UH, I WANNA SAY TWO MONTHS AGO, AND THEY GAVE US A DEADLINE OF ABOUT A YEAR. SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S ABOUT NEXT SUMMER THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS, I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE THIS WAS GONNA SLIP INTO FISCAL YEAR 25 AND WE COULD PUSH IT THAT DIRECTION. POSSIBLY, BUT I MEAN, IF WE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BEFORE THE END OF FIFTH GRADE. I, I DON'T KNOW. WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAD SOMETHING FIRM AND HAD A FUNDING SOURCE AND HAD THE COMMITMENT TO DO IT AND WE'RE JUST WORKING ON SOME DETAILS AND IT TOOK MORE THAN A YEAR. I THINK THEY'D PROBABLY BE A LITTLE MORE LENIENT TO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM OR AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN THE PIPELINE YEAH. THEY JUST DON'T WANNA BE COME NINE MONTHS DOWN THE LINE AND GO, OKAY, WE GOTTA SELL IT AND TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY TO BUY IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH, I'M JUST GONNA GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE, UH, PROJECT NUMBER 1 24, UH, 24 F O ONE PUBLIC WORKS STARTING DESIGN AND, OKAY. HOLD, HOLD ON. SO RICK, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA LINE AT THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK OFF OF THIS. I KNOW YOUR SPREADSHEET IS DIFFERENT, BUT WE'RE GONNA CONFUSE TOO MANY PEOPLE UNLESS WE WORK OFF OF THIS. YEAH. 2024. 2024. HOLE ONE AT THE BOTTOM. YOU GO THE BOTTOM, THE LAST ONE. THAT'S FINE. IT'S FINE. I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP. YEAH. YEP, YOU'RE GOOD. . OKAY. SO YES, PROJECT 2024 WE'RE GOOD. NUMBER ONE FOR 2024. FOUR IS THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. OKAY. SO THE, UH, JUST BASIC THINGS ON THIS. I KNOW REALLY COST WISE, I THINK WE ARE ONLY LEMME SURE. SO WE'RE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY POSSIBLY BUILDING SOMETHING. SO WE'RE UP TO 20 MILLION FOR THIS PUBLIC WORKS. I'M SORRY, AM I READING THE WRONG ONE? NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. OKAY. YOU'RE GREAT. 20 MILLION FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. ONE THING I, OR TWO THINGS I WANNA ASK. ONE, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT POTENTIALLY PARTNERING WITH THE I S D WITH THEIR HUGE PROPERTY THEY HAVE WITH THE BUS BARN AND EVERYTHING TO PREVENT THE ACTUAL COST OF PROPERTY? BUT TWO EVEN BETTER THOUGHT IS WHERE THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IS, YOU HAVE A NICE BIG JRS BUILDING ADJACENT THAT IS NOW FOR LEASE. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF POTENTIALLY JUST EXPANDING THE CURRENT LOCATION AT A MUCH LOWER COST TO BUY THAT EXISTING BUILDING AND EXPAND THERE? SO LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN REVERSE. OKAY. SO AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT THAT THE JRS BUILDING WAS FOR SALE MM-HMM. , UH, THE EDC DIRECTOR NOTIFIED ME, I NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. THAT WAS LIKE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT. ON MONDAY, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR WENT AND TOURED THE BUILDING. BUT, UH, BY THE TIME THEY GOT BACK TO THE OFFICE AND STARTED TALKING TO EVERYBODY ON TUESDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, THERE WAS ALREADY A CONTRACT ON THAT BUILDING. WELL, DAMN, WHY IS THE SIGN STILL FIGURES? OKAY, THIS RAIN IS STILL UP. AND SO THEN WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN, MATT? WAS THAT LIKE REALLY, REALLY RECENTLY? YES. OKAY. YEAH, THEY WERE WITHIN THE PAST FEW WEEKS OR SO. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE I S D, WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM ABOUT SHARING THE BUS BARN LAND WITH THEM. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM ABOUT POTENTIALLY SHARING DIFFERENT PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATORS TALKING TO 'EM ABOUT SHARING PIECES OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. MM-HMM. , THEY HAVE APPROACHED US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOME STUFF ON NORTH AND SOUTH BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YEP. AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, PARTNERING WITH THE CITY THROUGH THAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE, SO WE ARE TALKING TO THEM, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE [01:20:01] IS I'VE TALKED TO THE EDC DIRECTOR AND SAID, HEY, E D C, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL OF THIS LAND THAT I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH, BUT HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE PROGRAMMING IT OR PLANNING TO USE SOME OF IT FOR CITY PURPOSES AS OPPOSED TO JUST TURNING AROUND AND SELLING IT? YES. AND SO WE ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK I WAS JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF COST, I MEAN MM-HMM. , THE, THE COST WE HAVE ON THERE, I MEAN, I, IT'S A NEED. WE NEED A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND ALL OF THAT, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 MILLION WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE ONE THAT EXISTS, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH FOR THE FUTURE, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE ADJACENT LAND WHERE IT'S AT THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY EXPAND A TINY BIT. UM, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT FUNDING DATE. I MEAN, I KNOW WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOME OF THE, THE ENGINEERING STUDIES POSSIBLY, WHICH I GUESS IS THE 1.7. UM, AND IN 24, BUT I WOULD SAY I HOW WE CAN STATE THAT, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULDN'T REALLY MOVE FORWARD ON BUILDING ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS TO PARTNER WITH SOMEONE. I AGREE. I AGREE. YEAH. I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXHAUST ANY KIND OF COST SHARING WE CAN DO OR REDUCTION OF PURCHASING LAND, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN FOR THIS. WELL, AND I, I, I HAVE WORKED WITH THE ISSD ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND I KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE OVER WHERE THE BUS BARN'S AT, THEY HAVE POTENTIALLY THREE SCHOOLS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THAT SITE WITH THE BUS BARN. AND SO I KNOW THAT ONE'S PRETTY CAPPED OUT, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO WORK WITH THE CITY, WITH DEVELOPERS TO POTENTIALLY DONATING LAND FOR FUTURE SCHOOL OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, HELPING COST OF LAND FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS. AND SO MAYBE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING IN ON THAT FRONT MM-HMM. , IT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP WITH ONE OF THEIR CURRENTS. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST KIND OF PUT PROJECT 2024 FO ONE IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND FOR A MINUTE AND LOOK AT F O TWO, THE JUSTICE CENTER. IT SAYS NEW POLICE STATION, OR EXCUSE ME, OR JUSTICE CENTER. AND I'M SEEING 20, 24, 5 0.3 MILLION, I ASSUME THAT IS ENGINEERING AND LAND ACQUISITION. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE BOND WAS FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF 5 MILLION. NOT, UH, NOT 53. YEAH. AND SO THE BOND WAS ACTUALLY FOR A COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY WITHIN A POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, THAT'S WHAT THE $5 MILLION WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO DO. OKAY. AND NOBODY'S EVER MOVED OUT ON THAT BECAUSE WE STILL ARE CURRENTLY USING WILLIAMSON COUNTY AS OUR COMMUNICATIONS. CORRECT. UH, ALTHOUGH THE PRICE TAG ON THAT HAS JUST GONE UP EVERY YEAR. YES. AND SO I THINK THERE'S MORE OF A PUSH LOCALLY NOW TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR OWN. UM, HOW, HOW DOES THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT, UH, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE JUSTICE CENTER PLANS THERE. DOES, IS THERE ANY, BASICALLY WE'RE JUST COMING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE AND IT'S NOT BEING INCORPORATED WELL. SO THAT, THAT'S ON ALL OF THESE, UM, THE LIBRARY, THE JUSTICE CENTER, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, THE REC AND COMMUNITY CENTER. I'VE , I'M TRYING TO PUSH THE EDC DIRECTOR TO TALK TO THE EDC BOARD TO TRY TO CONVINCE THEM TO SHARE SOME OF THEIR LAND WITH US. UM, AND SO I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE RENDERINGS ON WAYS THAT THEY CAN USE DIFFERENT PIECES OF LAND, BUT NOTHING CONCRETE. AND EVERY TIME A NEW DEVELOPER COMES AND TALKS TO THEM, THAT PLAN GETS TWEAKED AND ADJUSTED. AND SO, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT DOING, BUT I DIDN'T PUT IT IN HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF AN AVERSION TO IT IN, IN THE CITY IS TO DO, I'M GONNA SAY IT JUST, IT'S A FOUR LETTER WORD. SO JUST PREPARE YOURSELF TO DO A PLAN. AND WHAT DID DO, WHAT DID YOU SAY? WE HAVE TO DO A PLAN, A PLAN FOR THAT. SO LIKE A FACILITIES PLAN, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED, PLANNING OUT MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, IN 2010, THE CITY DID A FACILITIES MASTER PLAN. SO NOW IN 2010, MOST OF THE CITY'S FACILITIES THAT THEY HAD PLANNED FOR WERE GONNA GO THE, IN THE CO-OP MM-HMM. . SO THERE WAS A JUSTICE CENTER, THERE WAS A LIBRARY, THERE WAS A CITY HALL, THERE WAS ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS IN [01:25:01] THE CO-OP, THE CO-OP WAS BASICALLY LIKE A CENTRAL CITY HUB, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , CLEARLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT OUT THERE THAT WE TEND TO PLAN THINGS ALL THE TIME AND WE NEVER ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION. BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACE FOR THEM AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED TO HAVE INSIDE THEM, MAYBE THAT FOUR LETTER WORD IS A GOOD IDEA. BUT NO ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID ASK ABOUT OR JUST PUT DOWN ON HERE, UM, WAS IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE JESTER ANNEX ON OLD SETTLERS OR WHERE WE'RE PARTNERING SHARING THE LAND WITH WILCO AND WITH DPS AND MAYBE OTHER COUNTY AGENCIES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO A JUSTICE CENTER POLICE STATION DISPATCH? SO WHEN I, WHEN I MET WITH THE CHIEF, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THAT'S WHY IT'S PUT DOWN AS POLICE STATION OR JUSTICE CENTER OKAY. IS BECAUSE HE MENTIONED TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THE E S D, TRYING TO PARTNER WITH, UH, THE SHERIFF, SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES TRYING TO PARTNER WITH, UH, MAYBE EVEN SOME CONSTABLES MM-HMM. , UM, PARTNERING WITH OUR EMERGENCY OPS FOR ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES SO THAT WE HAVE ONE BIG EMERGENCY OPS CENTER THAT COULD FUNCTION IN CASE WE EVER HAD A DISASTER OR SOME, SOME UNFORESEEN EVENT. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF PUT IN, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, THIS IS HOW MUCH LAND WE WOULD NEED, THIS IS HOW BIG OF A BUILDING WE WOULD NEED, THIS IS HOW MANY OFFICES WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF BACKED INTO THAT 53 MILLION NUMBER. OKAY. YEAH. AND CUZ I'M THINKING THEY'VE GOT THE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S RANGE RIGHT OFF OF, UH, CHANDLER. RIGHT. THEY'VE ALSO GOT OTHER COUNTY LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, BUILDINGS OVER THERE. AND IF WE CAN SHARE THEIR LAND, THAT MAY BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS FOR US AND WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THIS THING GOING. MATT, WOULD THIS INCLUDE THE STUFF FOR BILL AND HIS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? YES. EITHER, EITHER WAY YOU WENT THIS POLICE STATION OR THE JUSTICE CENTER, THAT'S THE THOUGHT HIS NEEDS WOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR. FOR HE WOULD, HE WOULD, HE WOULD HAVE HIS EMERGENCY OPS THERE? YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND THIS WOULD BASICALLY SERVE AS A NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS. OKAY. I MEAN, THEY COULD STILL KEEP THE OLD CITY HALL AS LIKE A SUBSTATION IF THEY WANTED. SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. UM, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE MAIN HEADQUARTERS. OKAY. HAS, HAS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO, OKAY, Y'ALL ARE GONNA LAUGH AT THIS PROBABLY OF EXPANDING THE CURRENT POLICE STATION? NO, JUST NO ROOM, NO START. YES. YOU CAN GO UP, UM, OH, GOING UP MM-HMM. , I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A POLICE STATION NEXT TO A TRAIN. RIGHT. PERIOD. WELL, ALSO, ALSO IS THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, YOU DON'T WANT IT NEXT TO A, A HIGH TRAIN, HIGH TRANSPORT RAIL. I THINK THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT LOCATION, AND I'M JUST SPIT BALLING HERE, IS LAND WISE, I THINK THEY'RE ALREADY MAXING OUT PARKING FOR THEIR VEHICLES. YEAH. AND THEIR, THEIR OFFICIAL VEHICLES AND THEIR REGULAR VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY GO UP WITH THE BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO TRY TO GO UP WITH PARKING AND A BUILDING IN SUCH A SMALL SPACE. WELL, THAT'S OKAY. NO, JUST A THOUGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. I MEAN, I, YEAH. NOT A BAD IDEA. BUT BACK TO CDC THOUGH, THEY HAD, THEY MET YESTERDAY AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY AND THE JUSTICE CENTER AND IT WAS IN THEIR LATEST RENDERING AGAIN, RENDERING THOUGH. UM, AND IT SEEMED TO BE SOMETHING THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTIVELY MOVING TOWARD FORWARD. DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT? NO, I, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THAT MEETING OR, OR THAT INFORMATION, BUT, UH, I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE FINE. WE WOULD STILL, IT WOULD REDUCE THESE PRICES SOME, BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR DESIGN. WE'D HAVE EVERYTHING FOR PROGRAMMING. WE'D JUST HAVE TO PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO PURCHASE THE LAND. RIGHT. THAT'S PROBABLY ONLY 10% OR LESS. OKAY. WELL, UM, I DON'T WANNA RUSH, BUT DO YOU THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UH, F OH THREE? THAT'S THE TRAIN DEPOT BILL PROJECT. WE DID IT. I THINK WE ALREADY COVERED THAT. WE DID IT. WE'RE GOOD. SO IF I, IF I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BEING IN HERE, IF I WOULD LIKE, LIKE, LIKE TO HAVE IT IT REMOVED TO HAVE IT PULLED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A [01:30:01] PLAN FOR IT. SO UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT AND WHO'S DOING WHAT WITH IT, IN MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP IT HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE 200,000 IS THE APPROPRIATE COST. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS. I'M PULLING, I'M OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, BUT CAN WE MOVE THAT 200,000 TO 25? WELL THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE DROP DEAD DATES. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT SO IF WE HAVE HAVE IT IN THERE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT KNOWS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IT AND GIVES US MORE TIME TO FIND OUT A FEW MORE FACTS, UM, WOULD WE BE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. POSTPONE IT RATHER THAN PULLING IT COMPLETELY. RIGHT. WOULD, WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH POSSIBLY DOING LIKE A 10% 90% A A 90 10 SPLIT? SO IN 2024 WE DO 20,000 FOR POSSIBLY BIDDING OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN EARMARK SAYING WE'RE STARTING THIS IN 2024, WE'RE LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS IN 2024. IT MAY NOT BE DONE, WE MAY NOT WRITE THE FINAL CHECK UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 2025. IT MIGHT BE OCTOBER 2ND, 2024 WHEN WE WRITE THAT CHECK. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AT LEAST STAY ON THE 2024 PARTIALLY. SO, SO MAYBE NOT FULLY FUNDED BECAUSE IT, WE DO HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SO I JUST A LOT TO GET IRONED OUT. I JUST WANNA ASK, ASK A QUESTION. WELL, HOLD ON. I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE C I P OUT THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. RIGHT? RIGHT. THIS IS AN ANNUAL THING THAT WE DO. RIGHT. SO NEXT YEAR WE WILL COME AROUND AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET HOPEFULLY THE SAME LIST, BUT NOT A LOT MORE ADDED. SURE. THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE ADDED THAT WE GET TO DO THIS AGAIN. SO IF WE DECIDE TO DROP SOMETHING COMPLETELY LIKE THE TRAIN DEPOT AND SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO NOT BE ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA GET IT AGAIN IN A YEAR. RIGHT. AND THEN THE SD DOESN'T SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. RIGHT. EXACTLY. IF THE IS S D SHOULD BE ABLE TO, WITHIN THAT YEAR, WORK THEIR OWN STUFF AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, IT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK AT ALL. RIGHT. AND SO IF WE WOULD DROP IT, WE MIGHT GET IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, AND THEN IF THE IST HASN'T SOLD IT, THEN WE CAN POTENTIALLY ADD IT. I THINK I'M JUST A ASKING FOR BREVITY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE DOING ANNUALLY NOW WE NEED TO THINK THAT INTO OUR THOUGHTS AS WE PUSH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD. RIGHT. THAT WE MIGHT, WE WILL BE OKAY WITH DROPPING MORE THINGS OUT OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW WE MIGHT SEE THEM AGAIN NEXT YEAR OR THEY MIGHT RESOLVE THEMSELVES IN THE NEXT YEAR. EXACTLY. AGREED. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU WERE GOING. YES. YEAH. OKAY. YOU SAID IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I DID. THANK YOU. , SOMETIMES I HAVE WORDS, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL PUT IT IN HERE AT SOME DATE. I MEAN, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD JUST TOTALLY DROP IT. I MEAN IT'S FOR THE FUTURE. WE'LL KNOW IT'S FOR THE FUTURE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY, WELL, IN 20 20, 24 WE PUT $200,000 IN THERE, WE MOVED IT, WE MOVED IT TO 2025 OR WHATEVER. AND, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING IS I DON'T WANT THIS TO DROP OFF THE PROJECT LIST. JUST DON'T NEED IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE I THINK IT LIKE KEEP IT ON THE PROJECT PLACE YOU'RE SAYING KEEP IT PLACE FOR. RIGHT. WELL, AND WE WERE ALSO THINKING ABOUT ASKING THE ISSD TO HELP PAY FOR GETTING IT BACK INTO CODE. SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE IT OUT A YEAR AND DROP THE PRICE IN HALF AND SAY WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TOWARDS THE PROJECT AS LONG AS THE ISD PAYS THEIR PART TO MATCH AND TO MATCH AND DO LIKE A 50 50 SPLIT WITH THE I S D AND AND PUSH IT TO 2025. CORRECT. SO IT'S STILL ON THE LIST. IT'S NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT. IT'S STILL ON. AND SO NO, WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING WE'RE DONE WITH IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE NOT TAKING THE FULL BRUNT OF IT AS THE CITY. WHAT DO YOU GOT PERRY? . ALL RIGHT. I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF STUFF GOING BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. , WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT THE DROP DEAD DATE IS 2024, PROBABLY SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR. SO CUTTING IT IN HALF HOPING THAT THE DSD IS GONNA PAY FOR HALF OF IT. I DON'T SEE WHAT GOOD IS GONNA COME FROM THAT. SO MY, I THINK THAT YOUR QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS DO YOU DROP THE WHOLE THING OR DO YOU PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE 200 GRAND PERIOD? IT'S NOT A 20,000 NEXT YEAR. PUSH IT TO 2025 WHEN THE ISSD HAS ALREADY TOLD US 2024. OKAY. BY SUMMER OF NEXT YEAR, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT EITHER COMES DOWN SO THAT WE CAN BUILD CUZ THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE THEIR DISTRICT OFFICE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THAT'S WHY THE DROP DEAD. THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT IN THE WAY. YEAH. SO A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS TO HELP YOU ALONG. AND I'M TALKING NOW NOT AS, NOT AS CHAIR OF THE PARKS BOARD, BUT AS PRIVATE CITIZEN NUMBER [01:35:01] ONE, THIS IS THE THIRD TRAIN DEPOT. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST, THIS ISN'T THE SECOND, RIGHT? MM-HMM. THIS IS THE THIRD ASBESTOS SHINGLING LIKE THEY'VE GOT ON THAT BUILDING. TELLS ME IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN 50 51, 52, SOMEWHERE IN THE FIFTIES, MAYBE THE EARLY SIXTIES. WHAT HISTORICAL VALUE THIS BUILDING HAS IN THE CITY OF HUDU? ZERO. IT'S AN OLD BUILDING. IF THIS WAS OUT ON 50 ACRES OF LAND AND IT WAS AN OLD FARMHOUSE, IT WOULD GET KNOCKED DOWN AND SOMETHING ELSE WOULD GET PUT IN THIS PLACE. THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE ON COLLEGE STREET RIGHT NOW, MAYBE HALF OF IT IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GET. THE REST OF IT IS ALL ADDITION. AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CONVEYING MM-HMM. , THERE'S PARTS ON EITHER SIDE THAT ARE GONNA BE DESTROYED. SO WHATEVER'S THERE RIGHT NOW, IF IT'S A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WE MIGHT SEE 700 TO 800 SQUARE FEET MAYBE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THERE'S YOUR DECISION, DROP IT, FUND IT, BUT DON'T SPLIT IT. DON'T EXPECT THAT IT'S GONNA GO OUT TO 2025. OKAY. DON'T EXPECT THAT THE ISDS GONNA PAY ANYTHING. THEIR EYES. THEY'RE GIVING US A BUILDING. WE TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHAT I GOT FROM THE, YOU SAID IT WAS BUILT WHEN? PROBABLY I WOULD SAY IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE LATE FORTIES, EARLY FIFTIES. I THINK THEY SAID 1948. YEAH, I THINK LATE FORTIES, EARLY FIFTIES. THIS IS NOT, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD EVEN GET ON THE HISTORICAL REGISTER TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. THERE WERE SOME, THERE WERE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON IT THAT ARE ARE QUESTIONABLE. YEAH. RIGHT NOW, THE HOUSE I USED TO LIVE IN ON, ON WEST STREET THAT WAS BUILT, THAT WAS PUT THERE IN 1947, IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE 1920S AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IT ON AS A HISTORICAL PLACE. AND THEY ACTUALLY ENDED UP MOVING THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT TO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE SO THAT THEY COULD TEAR IT DOWN. SO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD , EXCUSE ME, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A WISE IDEA TO GET HPC INVOLVED IN THIS? THEY HAVE BEEN. THEY'RE, THEY WANT US TO KEEP, WELL IT CAME TO US, LIKE COULD THEY COME TO US? AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. SO IT'S COUNCIL'S JOB TO THEN FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PIECES. AND THIS WAS WORKSHOPPED AFTER H HPC YES. WENT TO PARKS AND IT WAS WORKSHOPPED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO THIS. THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE LIST. I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH DROPPING THIS ONE. MM-HMM. OFF OF THE C I P LIST OR AT LEAST RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN LET THEM DO, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, YEAH. UH, RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL MAKES FINAL DECISION. RIGHT. RECOMMENDING DROPPING IS AGREED. IS WHAT I SHOULD, I'M GONNA TELL YOU HOW, HOW, HOW TO VOTE. THANK YOU. I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS LIBRARY. LIBRARY. THAT'S PROJECT FOUR FOR 24 0 4. AND I'M SEEING 125,000 IN 2024. AND THEN 2027 IT LOOKS LIKE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AT 8,000 OR 8 MILLION. SO THE THOUGHT THERE IS DO FEASIBILITY PROGRAMMING, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD OTHER BUILDINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL THOUGHT WERE MORE IMPORTANT MM-HMM. THAN THE LIBRARY PUSHED AS FAR AS ACTUALLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, LAND AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND PUSHED OUT. NOW KEEP IN MIND THIS IS, THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION OF CITY COUNCIL DIRECTIVES AND PUBLIC DIRECTIVES, RIGHT? YOU GUYS CAN CHANGE THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT. YOU, YOU COULD SAY, NOPE, WE WANNA MAKE THE LIBRARY FIRST THING. AND SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE 125, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA JUMP STRAIGHT INTO 25 WITH 8 MILLION MORE. UM, YOU CAN PUSH THE TRAIN DEPOT TO 28 OR YOU CAN BASICALLY SAY WE WANT IT OFF THIS LIST COMPLETELY AND THEN LET CITY COUNCIL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. MM-HMM. , YOU CAN REARRANGE THE POLICE STATION, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. YOU COULD SAY WHAT WE THINK THE REC CENTER SHOULD MOVE TO 24 AND THE POLICE STATION SHOULD MOVE OUT TO 28. I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN SHIFT THIS THING HOWEVER YOU WANT. LIKE, LIKE COMMISSIONER LEE ALREADY POINTED OUT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS THING EVERY YEAR NOW. YEP. AND SO WHEN YOU MOVE SOMETHING THEORETICALLY, IF YOU SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA START THIS IN 24, WE WANNA START IT IN 25, THEN GUESS WHAT? NEXT SUMMER, OR ACTUALLY HOPE FOR EARLIER THAN NEXT SUMMER, YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING THIS LIST. AND I'M GONNA BE LIKE, YOU GUYS SAID YOU WANTED THIS TO START IN 25. YEP. AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, WELL WE WANNA START IT IN 26 NOW. AND SO THEN I MOVE IT TO 26. AND SO THE NEXT SUMMER WE KEEP COMING UNTIL YOU FINALLY SAY, YEP, LET'S GO AND TELL COUNCIL TO DO IT. I WOULD JUST SAY, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH INTO THIS, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR MM-HMM. ABOUT THIS. [01:40:01] IF SHE HAS ANY SPECIFIC THINGS ABOUT, OR URGENT NEEDS FOR GROWTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO KNOW IF WE NEED TO SHARE BEFORE WE HEAR FROM HER. CAN I ASK, YOU'VE GOT 125,000 FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING UNTIL 27. THAT'S THREE YEARS. WHAT'S THAT 125,000 GOING TO DO? I MEAN, I I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. WON'T THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY BASICALLY BE NO GOOD EXPIRED THREE YEARS? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I WOULDN'T SAY IT WOULD BE NO GOOD BUT WELL, I MEAN IT'S GONNA, YEAH, IT'S GONNA DIMINISH IN VALUE OVER TIME. OKAY. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WHY DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 24 AND NOT DO ANYTHING ON A LIBRARY UNTIL, UH, 28 OR 27, WHATEVER THAT IS THERE. YEAH. IT'S 27. WHY, WHY NOT DO THE FE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEN WHEN WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, START THE LIBRARY AGAIN. BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND LET'S SAY THEY TELL YOU NOW IT'S GONNA COST $8 MILLION. WELL WHEN CAN GO TO BUILD IT'S GONNA COST YOU 12 BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE KNOW EVERYTHING GOES UP. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S CRAZY. PRICES DON'T GO UP. NEVER COME. YOU'RE SILLY TEXAS. I THOUGHT SHE WAS BEING SERIOUS. I'M JUST SAYING TO ME, TO ME CO REALLY VALID POINT. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY REASON WHY WE SHIFTED THAT OUT IS BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT PROGRAMMED IS YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND A POLICE STATION IN 25 AND 26 AND TRYING TO BUILD THREE MASSIVE FACILITIES FOR THE CITY SIMULTANEOUSLY. HAVING GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BUILDING THIS BUILDING, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE DO NOT WANNA TRY TO DO THREE OF THESE AT ONE TIME. OH NO, THIS WAS AWFUL. . PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. OKAY. WELL THEN I THEN SOUNDS LIKE THEN TO ME, THE LOGICAL THING TO DO IS NOT DO ANYTHING IN 24 AND MOVE THE FEASIBILITY OUT, MOVE THE FEASIBILITY OUT UNTIL WE'RE READY, CLOSER TO READY TO BUILD THE LIBRARY. WELL, THAT, I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE FINANCE, BUT WE HAVE THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THE NEED. YEAH. UM, WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES SURROUNDING THIS AREA. WE OFTEN HEAR DURING THE COURSE OF THE WEEK, MULTIPLE HUDDLE CITIZENS TELLING OTHER HUDDLE CITIZENS GO TO THE ROUND RACK LIBRARY. IT'S MUCH BETTER. IT HAS MORE SPACE, IT HAS MORE THIS, IT HAS MORE OF THAT. SO WE ARE IN A ROOM IN A BUILDING, WHEREAS OTHER LIBRARIES SURROUNDING US HAVE THEIR OWN FREESTANDING BUILDING. THE ROOM CAPACITY OF THE LIBRARY IS 48 PEOPLE. THERE ARE OVER 30,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY OF HUDU. UM, WE HAVE TWO STUDY ROOMS THAT ARE CONTINUOUSLY BOOKED. WE HAVE A ONE SINGLE MEETING ROOM, WHEREAS OTHER LIBRARIES HAVE AUDITORIUMS, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE MEETING ROOMS. WE HAVE CONTINUOUS, CONTINUOUS PEOPLE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR SERVICES THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO PROVIDE BECAUSE WE ARE A ROOM IN A BUILDING. UM, AND NOT A REAL PUBLIC LIBRARY. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UH, COPIERS AND SCANNERS. PEOPLE WILL COME IN TO COPY. WE HAVE ONE COPIER SLASH SCANNER THAT IS TIED INTO ALL THE COMPUTERS. SO MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE COURSE, COURSE OF THE DAY, I'LL HAVE ONE CUSTOMER COME IN, THEY WANT TO MAKE PHOTOCOPIES. WELL, SOMEBODY'S COMING UP TO DO THEIR PRINTS. WELL ANOTHER PERSON WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ELSE USING THAT ONE COPIER. AND THE AREA THAT THIS IS IN HAS THE CHILDREN'S BOOKS AND UM, THE DVDS RIGHT THERE. SO IT'S A, A TINY SPACE. AND THIS IS A, A FACILITY THAT'S FOR AN ENTIRE CITY TO USE ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND WE CAN ONLY GET 48 OF THEM IN THE ROOM. UM, AND TO CONTINUE TO PUSH IT BEHIND A FEASIBILITY STUDY SERVES A LOT OF PURPOSES. BUT WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND IN WHAT WE HAVE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME AT THIS POINT. WE NEED TO JUMP IN TO CATCH UP WITH THE OTHER FAC THE OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US. UM, CUZ WE HAVE, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND WE HEAR THEM TALKING ABOUT ROUND ROCK. WE HEAR THEM TALKING ABOUT EVEN TAYLOR AND GOING TO OTHER LIBRARIES BECAUSE WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR COLLECTION. [01:45:01] THE LIBRARY WAS CLOSED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, OR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE STAFFED THE LIBRARY. SO THE COLLECTION IS NOT UP TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE. AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO GET IT UP TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE. UM, UH, THE CHILDREN'S AREA, WE, WE OFTEN HAVE CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS IN THIS ROOM. MM-HMM. , OUR, OUR REPTILE PROGRAM HAD 300 PEOPLE. WE CAN ONLY HAVE 48 IN THE ROOM. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, IT'S A ROOM . I KNOW, I HEAR THAT. YEAH. AND, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN DO IN A SINGLE ROOM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT AN ENTIRE CITY. SO IN MY OPINION, WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND. IF WE KEEP PUSHING ANYTHING BACK, WE ARE JUST GONNA FALL FURTHER BEHIND AND WE'RE GONNA START TO LOSE MORE AND MORE HUDDLE CITIZENS TO OTHER LIBRARY SYSTEMS. AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR, UH, LIBRARY, YOUR CITY HALL, IF WE HAD A HOSPITAL, YOUR HOSPITAL ALL TELL THE CITIZENS HOW MUCH YOU VALUE THEM. AND AS BRUCE WAS STANDING UP HERE SAYING EARLIER, LIBRARIES ARE THE FOREFRONT OF LITERACY. AND IF WE CONTINUE TO TELL OUR CITIZENS, YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR LITERACY, YOUR HOBBIES, YOUR NEED FOR COMPUTER ACCESS, CUZ MANY OF THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO PAY INTERNET AND BUY A LAPTOP. A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL DON'T EVEN HAVE CELL PHONES. SO THE LIBRARIES WHERE THEY COME TO MAKE USE OF THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT OTHER LIBRARIES HAVE AROUND US, WE DON'T HAVE. SO IN, IN MY OPINION, UM, IF WE CONTINUE TO PUT OFF, PUT OFF, PUT OFF, WE'RE JUST GONNA FALL FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND AND WE'RE GONNA START TO LOSE CUSTOMERS. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, YES SIR. YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, GARNER, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW CURRENT NEEDS CAN BE MET NOW IN THE CURRENT FACILITY MM-HMM. , IN FACT, I REMEMBER IN OUR WORKSHOP YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, TO ME LIBRARY IS PRIMARILY REFERENCE TO ME. I, AND I THINK YOU'D SAID IT HEARD, BUT I'D HEARD THAT IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN 50% OF YOUR LIBRARY IS REFERENCE MATERIAL. AND YOU SAID WE WERE LET AT THE 25% OR LESS. YEAH. BUT MOST OF THAT REFERENCE MATERIAL IS, IS SUBSCRIPTIONS. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE CURRENT FACILITY WITHOUT ADDING A BODY TO THE BUILDING AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO MONEY SPENT TOWARD THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES FOR REFERENCES, WHETHER IT BE FOR TRAINING AND EDUCATION OR, UH, UH, ASSISTING IN, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLEGE OR, OR VOCATIONAL STUDIES. SO I'M WONDERING IN, IN PART OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS THERE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T, THIS DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW FAR ARE WE GONNA PUSH THIS OUT FOR THE 8 MILLION BUILDING, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO RIGHT NOW AND WHAT CAN WE SPEND RIGHT NOW THAT CAN, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN TWO YEARS. EVEN IF WE SAID YES, LET'S GO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL TALKING TWO YEARS. PROBABLY A MINIMUM IF THAT'S, UH, CORRECT, MATT, SO WHAT CAN WE DO RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE PORTABLE, BUT I MEAN PORTABLE, I MEAN WE CAN USE IT IN THE CURRENT BUILDING AND THEN NOW IT CAN TRANSFER TO THE NEW BUILDING, WHICH IS SUBSCRIPTIONS. RIGHT. UH, MORE BETTER COMPUTERS OR, OR SERVERS SERVICES. COUPLE YEARS. WELL, UM, WE COULD, WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE UPTODATE COMPUTERS, BUT WE ALSO NEED MORE THAN FIVE COMPUTERS. WE ONLY HAVE FIVE COMPUTERS. RIGHT, I AGREE. SO WE DEFINITELY COULD USE NEW COMPUTERS AND MORE OF THEM. AND THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE LIBRARY. THEY'RE NOT USUALLY THEY'RE ALL PUT TOGETHER IN ONE SPACE OR THEY'RE PUT INTO A COMPUTER LAB USED LAB USED TO COMPUTER CENTER. LIKE I'LL ASK YES. AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE SPACE. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED NOW BY ADDING MONEY IN OUR C I P WELL, I MEAN SPACE FOR THEM. IT DOESN'T, YEAH. YES. YEAH. THERE'S REALLY NO MORE SPACE IN THE ROOM. OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO I MEAN, WE COULD GET ADDITIONAL SUBSCRIPTIONS, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COMPUTERS FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THEM I AGREE. OR IF YOU DON'T, UM, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ALWAYS ACCESS IT FROM HOME. IF THEY HAVE INTERNET, IF THEY HAVE COMPUTERS, IS IT THEY CAN ACCESS DATABASES, WHICH THEY DO. WE DO OFFER SOME DATABASES AND MAJORITY OF THE REFERENCE MATERIALS THAT HAS BEEN USED OVER THE YEAR HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO, UH, DATABASES BECAUSE YEAH, I SAY THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS, [01:50:01] YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH W YOU KNOW, INTERNET, UM, LACKING IN INTERNET, BUT IS IT FEASIBLE FOR LIBRARIES TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, LAPTOPS OR, OR LITTLE, UM, LITTLE PADS, IPADS AS AS BEING LOANED OUT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU KNOW, A TWO TO FOUR WEEK PERIOD. MM-HMM. , I WAS FORMALLY AT THE AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARY AT THE MILLWOOD BRANCH AND WE HAD A KIOSK OF DIFFERENT LAPTOPS, THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LAPTOPS FOR PEOPLE TO USE. YEAH. SO IT'S DOABLE. OTHER LIBRARIES HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS MM-HMM. . AND WE DON'T OFFER IT AT ALL ANYWAY. I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT THERE ARE MITIGATING BUT AGAIN, STORE THEM. YEAH. YEAH. THE KIOSK, THE KIOSK AT THE BRANCH THAT I WAS AT, THEY'RE CHECKED OUT WAS THIS BIG SPACE. IT WAS THIS FROM THE END OF THE TABLE TO HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THAT. NO. SO, AND THERE'S NO OTHER ROOM ANYWHERE ELSE TO STORE THINGS. THAT'S WHAT YOUR AREA IS FOR. MM-HMM. JUST LIKE, AND IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH. ASHLEY CAN MAKE HER OFFICE TWICE AS SMALL. SHE CAN PUT STORES IN THERE, . SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE, SHE'S LIKE, I NEED TO WORK FROM HOME. UH, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF BUILD TIME ARE WE LOOKING AT? ARE WE LOOKING AT, I'M SORRY, UH, QUESTION FOR MATT. OH, UH, WHAT SORT OF BUILD TIME ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR A BUILDING? LET'S SAY HALF THIS SIZE, IS THAT A 15 MONTH OR IS IT A THREE YEAR, OR IS THE LAND GONNA BE WELL THAT BUILDING? WELL, I, YEAH, THAT'S GOTTA GET AT SOME POINT. I DON'T THINK THE SIZE NECESSARILY. I MEAN IF YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL ONE TO TWO, MAYBE THREE STORY BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW THAT SHRINKING IT DOWN SAVES THAT MUCH TIME. NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, I, I JUST DON'T HAVE A CONCEPT. I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION ENGINEER. I HAVE NO IDEA. WELL, WE WERE, WERE LOOKING AT 40,000 TO 60,000 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. AND WHAT WOULD THE BUILD TIME ON THAT BE ROUGHLY? UM, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED 12 TO 18 MONTHS JUST GUESSING. THAT'S GOOD. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS CONSTRUCTION WOULD THEN BE SPREAD OVER TWO FISCAL YEARS POTENTIALLY. SO WE COULD, MY THINKING WE COULD DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND DETERMINE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IN 24. IN 25 WE COULD POSSIBLY DO A, UH, DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND AT THAT TIME WORK OUT WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO PURCHASE LAND OR IS IT GOING ON EXISTING LAND THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS? SO IN 25 WE DO DESIGN ENGINEERING, AND THEN IN 26 AND 27 WE DO CONSTRUCTION. YES, PLEASE. . YEAH. SO, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS. IT'S STILL DONE IN 27. YEAH. BUT WE'RE MOVING THE MONEY OUT. WE'RE MOVING THE BALL FORWARD. THE PROBLEM IS WE STILL DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY THAT IS THE CAPACITY FOR OUR CITY FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO THAT'S TRUE. AND YEAH, WE'RE, SO, ARE, ARE WE PLANNING ON BUILDING THIS TO WHERE IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE ADDED ON? OR ARE WE BUILDING THIS TO WHERE EVENTUALLY WE WILL ADD A SECOND BUILDING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY? SO REALLY THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. UM, WHAT, SO I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO TRUDY, UH, ABOUT ALL OF HER GOALS. I DID TALK, SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I DID SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, UM, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE WERE THE TWO TOP PRIORITIES THAT CITY COUNCIL GAVE US. IT WAS, IT'S NO OFFENSE TO THE LIBRARY OR TRUTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW, I KNOW. YOU GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE. UM, NO, AND I TOLD THEM BOTH. I SAID, DO NOT DO WHAT WE DID IN THIS BUILDING. DO NOT, DO NOT PLAN FOR WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE ONCE WE MOVE IN, IT'S TOO LATE. YEP. YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN FIVE TO 10 YEARS YEP. AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GROW IN THAT FACILITY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING LIKE THIS, YOU'RE NOT PLANNING FOR FIVE TO 10 YEARS. YOU'RE PLANNING FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS. RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU PLAN IT FOR WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, BY THE TIME YOU'RE IN, LIKE IN CITY HALL, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT PROBLEM. YES. WE MOVED IN AND WE WERE AT CAPACITY. YEP. SO AS THE CITY GROWS AND WE HAVE TO ADD MORE STAFF WHERE DO WE PUT 'EM? YEAH. AND IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WAY FOR THE LIBRARY. IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WAY FOR PUBLIC WORKS. IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WAY FOR THE POLICE. IT'S THE SAME WAY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE FIT MORE PEOPLE INTO THIS CITY HALL BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA NEED MORE STAFF. SO I WANT TO, I WANT TO THROW THIS OUT BECAUSE I'M, WELL, MY, MY REGULAR JOB IS SOLVING PROBLEMS UNIQUELY. SO I WANNA THROW THIS OUT IN A UNIQUE WAY AS ASHLEY'S [01:55:01] SMILING AGAIN, . UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE AT MINIMUM WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN A NEW LIBRARY UNTIL 2027 AND NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I MEAN, WE MIGHT PUSH A YEAR EARLIER, BUT THE NEED IS NOW, WE'RE THE NEED IS, IS CRITICAL. SO WE CAN SHIFT THAT AROUND AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT POSSIBLY TRYING TO COMBINE IT SOMEHOW WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER, CUZ I THINK THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT. UM, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT THE THING I WANT TO KNOW, WELL, YEAH, I'M, THAT MIGHT NOT WORK. BUT THE THING I WANNA KNOW IS HOW CAN WE COME UP WITH AN INTERIM SOLUTION NOW WITH A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE I S D? CUZ THEY HAVE A PLETHORA OF SCHOOLS, LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, 30 SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SCHOOLS THEY HAVE. 30. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS A LIBRARY. UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONLY USED DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PARTNER WITH THEM TO TEMPORARILY OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS UNTIL WE HAVE A NEW LIBRARY BUILT TO USE SOME OF THEIR SPACE AT AN EXISTING BUILDING TO BE KIND OF A LIBRARY ANNEX FOR THE CITY? IT DEPENDS ON IF IT, YOU'RE TALKING LOGISTICS. HOW MANY, IS THERE ONE HIGH SCHOOL IN HUTTO? WE HAVE ONE HIGH SCHOOL AND ONE NINTH GRADE CENTER. AND THE NINTH GRADE CENTER DOES HAVE A LIBRARY. OKAY. UM, AND IT'S TWO STORY AT THE NINTH GRADE CENTER. IT'S, I KNOW THE HIGH SCHOOL IS A TWO STORY HIGH SCHOOL WITHIN, SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PUBLIC LIBRARY AND A SCHOOL LIBRARY, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO USE, IF, IF IT SHOULD BECOME AN ISSUE, WE WOULD HAVE TO USE EITHER A HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARY OR THE NINTH GRADE CENTER BECAUSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LIBRARIES ARE BUILT FOR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN OF COURSE. SO FURNITURE, EVERYTHING IS BUILT FOR CHILDREN. UM, THE SCHOOLS HAVE, UM, LIMITED ACCESS RIGHT. IN TERMS OF THEIR INTERNET. WHEREAS WE DON'T HAVE FILTERS ON OUR COMPUTERS. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO HAVING A SCHOOL LIBRARY AS OPPOSED TO A PUBLIC LIBRARY. AND AGAIN, I THINK, AND, AND NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I THINK ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE TELE LIMITATIONS, EVEN PHYSICAL ACCESS. RIGHT. CERTAINLY CERTAIN HOURS BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THINGS. SURE. I'M JUST TRYING TO PROBLEM SOLVE THE ISSUE IN THE SHORT TERM. APPRECIATE THAT. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BUDGET ADDITIONAL MONEY NEXT YEAR MM-HMM. TO EVEN GET ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARIES TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND SPEND $150,000 TO GET IT MM-HMM. WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. YEAH. TEMPORARILY FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. AND THEN WHATEVER PORTABLE STUFF WE'VE ADDED IN THERE, WHEN WE GET THE PERMANENT THING DONE IN FOUR YEARS, WE CAN TAKE THAT $150,000 WORTH'S OF PORTABLE STUFF. IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE ELECTRICITY AND IT INTO ELECTRONIC, THE PERMANENT LOCATION. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF TEMPORARIES YOUR, YOUR SCHOOL THOUGHT. MM-HMM. GOT ME THINKING. WHAT ABOUT UEC? I'M SORRY. OH, THE HIGHER EDUCATION CENTER. THE HIGHER EDUCATION CENTER. OH, THEY, IF, IF WE WERE TO TEMPORARILY MOVE THE BUSINESS SERVICES FROM THE LIBRARY TO U CHECK, WELL THEN NOW, NOW I'M HAVING TO STAFF TWO FACILITIES WITH FOUR PEOPLE UNDER. YEAH. THERE, THERE'S A CHALLENGE NO MATTER HOW WE DO THIS. EXACTLY. YES SIR. THERE'S A CHALLENGE. ABSOLUTELY. GOT IT. YES. BUT THAT MAY BE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION. UN WELL THIS, IF WE HAVE IT PLANNED, IF IT'S ON THE C I P, HEY, THE CITY IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. IT'S NOT A PIPE DREAM. IT'S ON PAPER. THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SURE. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE BUSINESS CENTER, LET'S JUST SAY YEAH. OVER AT OVER AT THE HIGHER EDUCATION. YEAH. THINK ABOUT I APPRECIATE THOSE IDEAS, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE IS THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND THEN THERE'S THE ONCE AND FOR ALL RIGHT. AND SOLUTION. AND WE WOULD STILL WORK THE ONCE AND FOR ALL SOLUTION. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT I AM AFRAID, YOU KNOW, FUNDING AND A TIME AND ATTENTION WOULD GO SO MUCH TOWARDS THE TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT OUR FINAL SOLUTION OF A FREESTANDING BUILDING WOULD, WOULD, UM, GET PUSHED BACK BECAUSE SO MUCH IS FOCUSED ON WE WOULD, WE WOULD MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET PUSHED BACK. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED. YES, SIR. AND THE CON THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE MM-HMM. , WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THIS BEFORE 2026. OKAY. SO 2027, PROBABLY MORE LIKELY, BUT IN THE, IN THE INTERVENING THREE YEARS MM-HMM. , HOW DO WE TAKE CARE OF, YEAH. HOW DO WE FIX A SOLUTION NOW [02:00:01] THAT CAN ALSO THEN FIX THE SOLUTION GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF TODAY. MM-HMM. AND NOT WAITING UNTIL, BECAUSE EVEN IF WE WERE TO START THIS PROJECT THIS NEXT YEAR, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT 26 TO ACTUALLY FOR YOU TO BE MOVING IN AND THEN IT'S GETTING ALL SET UP AND EVERYTHING. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY ONE YEAR OFF FROM WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING RIGHT NOW. AND SO, BUT TOMORROW YOU NEED THAT EXTRA SPACE. YOU DON'T NEED IT IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS. EXACTLY. AND SO WE KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND WE, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN CONSENSUS THAT THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND WE HAVE YOUR, WE WE'RE SUPPORTING YOU. OKAY. BUT WE WANT TO FIND SOMETHING TO HELP YOU NOW. OKAY. AND IN THE FUTURE. AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT CAN HELP POINT THE FUNDING TO WHAT NEEDS. YES. WELL, IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE A, UH, FAX MACHINE, CUZ THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND HAVE TO SCAN ARE ASKING US FOR A FAX MACHINE. AND THAT'S AN EASY SOLUTION. AND WE HAVE A SPOT WHERE WE COULD PUT THAT AND AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COPIER, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO COPY AND, UM, AND A PRINTER, THOSE THREE ITEMS, UM, WILL PROBABLY BE LESS THAN, UH, $3,000. SO HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A FAX MACHINE AT OUR OFFICE ANYMORE. IT'S ALL, UH, INTERNET BASED AT THIS POINT MM-HMM. . AND YOU USE AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND IT RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT OUR SCANNER DOES. YEAH. AND SO, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WHY, WHAT'S THE NEED FOR THE FAX MACHINE VERSUS HAVING THAT OPTION? THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE ASKING FOR. OKAY. AND THAT IS WHO THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH IS ASKING FOR. SO MANY TIMES WE ENDED UP, UH, REFERRING THEM TO THE, UM, OH, THE UPS STORE ACROSS THE TRACKS. MM-HMM. , UM, YEAH, A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK, LEGAL PAPERWORK, UM, PATRONS COME IN AND WHOEVER THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH ARE STILL ASKING FOR FAXES. WELL, IT IS FAX, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN INTERNET BASED FAX. RIGHT. IT GOES THROUGH THE EMAIL, EMAIL. I WORK FOR A SECURITIES COMPANY AND OUR, AND WE ARE VERY LOCKED DOWN. YEAH. BUT WE STILL DO IT THROUGH AN INTERNET BASED FAX SYSTEM MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO HAVE A FAX MACHINE AND A FAX PHONE NUMBER AND A, AND WE'RE NOT HAVING TO CALL IN A MAINTENANCE PERSON EVERY TWO DAYS BECAUSE IT'S BREAKING. RIGHT. UM, AND SO IT'S ALL BUILT INTO OUR SCANNER, COPIER PRINTER. UM, OH, WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND GET SOME PRICING ON THAT, BUT JUST, JUST I CAN SEND YOU SOME INFORMATION. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. FROM WHAT I, WHAT I'M THINKING MM-HMM. , THEY SELL COMBO MACHINES. WELL THEY ALSO HAVE YEAH. COMBO, BUT SHE'S ALREADY GOT A MACHINE PRINTER AND THE SCANNER AND THE FAX MACHINE ALL IN ONE. BUT THE FAX MACHINE, YOU'RE STILL HAVING TO PAY FOR A SEPARATE PHONE LINE. YOU'RE STILL HAVING TO DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO I WAS JUST SAYING WHAT THEIR ALREADY EXISTING MACHINE, YOU CAN USE THE SCANNER AND HAVE IT SENT TO A FAX AND IT LITERALLY, YOU JUST TYPE IN THE PHONE NUMBER RIGHT@PHONE.NET OR WHATEVER IT IS AND IT SENDS IT LIKE IT'S A FAX MA A FAX TO A FAX MACHINE. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. I GET YOU. SO IF YOU INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR BUDGET REQUEST, I THINK FOR THIS YEAR THAT THAT MIGHT MEET THAT ADDITIONAL NEED OUTSIDE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. ADD ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY SO WE COULD ALSO HOUSE, UM, LAPTOPS, UM, BEHIND THE CRC DESK IF PEOPLE WANTED TO, UM, RUN OUT, RUN OUT THE LAPTOPS. BUT WE DID HAVE AN INCIDENT JUST, UH, A DAY OR SO AGO WHERE SOMEONE HAD TAKEN OUR, UM, OUR, UH, WAS NOT A LAPTOP BUT A OUR TABLET AND UM, WE FOUND IT IN THE RECYCLE BIN OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY. OH WOW. SO YEAH. AWESOME. NOT, NOT TO GO OFF TOPIC, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SECURITY SYSTEM. RIGHT, RIGHT. THERE'S NO R F I D SYSTEM. UM, SO WELL, SO IF YOU'RE STORING IT BACK BEHIND THE SERVICE AREA, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT SECURITY SYSTEM AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT IN THE LOCKED SPACE BACK BEHIND THERE. RIGHT. UM, AND THAT GIVES YOU MORE COMPUTERS WHERE THEY CAN COME SIT OUT IN THE LOBBY OUT HERE MM-HMM. AND IT'S CONNECTED TO YOUR SAME PRINTER RIGHT. SYSTEM. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO KIND OF GETTING BACK ONTO THE C I P STUFF. YEP. ARE WE OKAY WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 2024 THEN? POSSIBLY ENGINEERING AND DESIGN AND ENGINEERING IN 25? CONSTRUCTION 26. 27. YEAH. YEAH. SO HERE'S MY QUESTION. WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS THAT ASHLEY AND MATT WERE REFERRING TO, IT SOUNDS LIKE HAVING THIS ADDED ON AS, SO THIS IS WHAT I'M ALSO CONSIDERING, AND I RESPECT EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID AND I'M, I'M LISTENING TO THAT, BUT I'M ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY CITIZENS OF HUTTO MM-HMM. [02:05:01] , AND THEY WERE ASKED TO RANK THINGS BY PRIORITY OF WHAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND LIBRARIES WAS AT THE LAST DEAD LAST. SO AS FAR AS NEEDS AND CONCERNS ARE, SO IF WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE BASED OFF OF NEEDS AND CONCERNS, I'M JUST QUESTIONING IF, I DON'T KNOW IF I FOLLOWED EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE TIMELINE, BUT I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THIS DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE A HIGHER PRIORITY. AND SO, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE. YEAH. AND, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M SILOING OR MY CONCEPT IS TO SILO THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS. WHERE, WHERE DO WE SEE THIS FITTING IN? AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES TRANSPORTATION, SO YOU SAID THE ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY WOULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR BASED OFF THE WAY YOU SAID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD BE NEXT YEAR? SO 2024 WOULD BE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR 125,000 YEP. OR THEREABOUTS AFTER THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND ALL OF THAT COMES BACK AND THE POSSIBILITY OF WORKING TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS, ALL OF THAT'S KIND OF PLUGGED INTO THAT. BUT THEN IN 25, WE PUT IT OUT FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. SO THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE JUSTICE CENTER DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T IMPACT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. SO WE WOULD HAVE A DESIGN AND ENGINEERING GOING ON, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THESE OTHER TWO PROJECTS, IT'S JUST THE LIBRARY. SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT. THERE IS MY THINKING. THE, THEN THE JUSTICE CENTER LOOKS TO WRAP UP CONSTRUCTION IN 26 WHEN THE START CONSTRUCTION, THE LIBRARY WOULD START CONSTRUCTION IN 26. SO YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME OVERLAP, BUT I, I HAVE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF FAITH IN MATH THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DECONFLICT THOSE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES TO SOME EXTENT. HE'S LIKE, NO, MATT IS ONE OTHER PERSON, MATT AND HIS TEAM, TWO PEOPLE. HE'S, HE'S NOT GONNA START ALL OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ON ONE DAY. HOPEFULLY. NO, I, I HEAR, I HEAR THAT. AND THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO. I MEAN, BASED ON, I THINK ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS SHIFTING THE BUILD COST A YEAR EARLIER, WHICH IS NOT HORRIBLE. I MEAN, IT STILL KINDA LINES UP WITH WHAT YOU SAID FOR THE, I THINK THE CITIZENS PRIORITIES WE'RE STILL GETTING A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS DONE BEFORE 2026. SO I MEAN, WE'RE STILL GETTING IT DONE. I HEAR THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE AN, A REASON WHY OTHER THINGS ARE DELAYED BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GIVE THEIR ATTENTION TO THE LIBRARY AND I WASN'T ABLE TO FOCUS ON A ROAD OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. RIGHT. SO HELPING THE CITY STAFF, SUPPORTING THEM IN THE PRIORITIZATION OF WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON AND BE ABLE TO DO IT. IF THEY'RE GONNA DO IT, WE NEED 'EM TO DO IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. YEAH. THE FIRST TIME. RIGHT. AND SO BEING DISTRACTED BY MULTIPLE PROJECTS IS, UM, A CONCERN FOR ME. SO, AND MAY I ALSO ADD THAT, THAT, UM, SURVEY THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, THE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THERE WERE, I, THIS IS THE ANSWER THAT I WANT. SO THIS IS THE QUESTION I'M GONNA WRITE AS OPPOSED TO REALLY DIGGING INTO WHAT YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS WANT MM-HMM. AND I WITH THE FA THE FACI FACILITY, WHAT IS IT? FEASIBILITY, EXCUSE ME, STUDY. I THINK HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE SOME, SOME SAY IN THAT WHAT, CAUSE THERE'S WAYS TO ASK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LIBRARY SERVICES AND ALSO THE LADIES WHO WORKED IN THE LIBRARY WERE SO NICE AND SO SWEET AND HAVE SUCH A GREAT REPUTATION. I'M GONNA SAY EVERYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT, ABOUT THE LIBRARY CUZ I DON'T WANT TO HURT THESE LADIES. SO ARE YOU GIVING ME THE ANSWER? ARE YOU TRYING TO HELP THE LADIES OUT? SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME OF THAT IN THERE AS WELL. WELL, AND THE WHOLE THING IS, IS YOU ARE MAKING THE, THE STATEMENT THAT THE CITIZENS THAT ARE COMING IN DON'T HAVE INTERNET AND DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER. YEAH. SO THEY'RE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THAT, THESE SURVEYS, A LOT OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THESE SURVEYS ARE THE PEOPLE ARE SITTING ON FACEBOOK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT GOING, OH HEY, I NEED TO GO TAKE THIS SURVEY. YEAH. AND THEY'RE SITTING AT THEIR, THEY'RE SITTING AT THEIR HOUSE ON THEIR TV WHILE YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY DO NEED THIS, NOT HAVING ACCESS TO IT. BUT I'M SURE THOSE SAME PEOPLE WOULD ARGUE THAT HAVING A ROAD TO GET TO THE LIBRARY MATTERS AS WELL. AND THEY WOULD PREFER THE ROAD TO BE THE PRIORITY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS THAT THE, THE CITIZENS HAVE INDICATED THE PRIORITIES THAT THEY HAVE ROADS BY FAR WAS NUMBER ONE. YES. AND I'M JUST WANTING TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY'S STAFF ARE ABLE TO FOCUS THEIR ATTENTION WHOLEHEARTEDLY ON WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY WHEN WE GET TO THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S, WELL WE VOTED FOR ROADS BACK IN 2018 AND [02:10:01] YEAH, BUT JUST SAYING, SO I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. BUT IT'S STILL EVEN, WE'RE HERE, THE ROADS HAVE BEEN VOTED ON AND SO WE'RE STILL SITTING HERE, SO, SO I KNOW THIS, SO WE, THAT'S EVEN MORE OF A REASON RIGHT. TO HAVE THAT BE OF PRIORITY AT THIS POINT. SO I KNOW THIS PREDATES YOU, BUT DO WE KNOW WHEN A LIBRARY SURVEY WAS DONE IN HU SPECIFICALLY JUST A LIBRARY SURVEY? YES. I ASK. YEAH. I'D HAVE TO ASK. ASK. I SEEM TO REMEMBER ONE HAPPENING PRIOR TO THAT BEING THE OLD LIBRARY. MM-HMM. PRIOR, POTENTIALLY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LONG TIME AGO. THE LAST COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WAS DONE WAS LA IN 2022. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THOSE RESULTS ARE ONLINE. RIGHT. BUT PRIOR, PRIOR TO THAT LIBRARY GOING AWAY, I REMEMBER THERE BEING A LIBRARY SURVEY. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A YEAR PRIOR, MIGHT'VE BEEN TWO YEARS PRIOR. IT WAS, NO, IT WAS A COUPLE YEARS. IT TOOK HIM A COUPLE YEARS TO YEAH, NO, I REMEMBER THAT SURVEY. I, I JUST COULD NOT REMEMBER WHEN THAT OCCURRED. YEAH. AND I WASN'T SURE IF, YOU KNOW YEAH. YOU HAD BEEN BACK BRIEFED ON THAT. UM, I HAVEN'T OKAY. GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION, BUT I COULD ASK STAFF WHO'VE BEEN HERE LONGER. YEAH. I GUESS TANYA HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2017, SO I COULD ASK HER ABOUT, SO THAT KIND OF FEEDS INTO MY, WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, WITH KIND OF TEAMING UP WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LIBRARY SURVEY FOR A WHILE. SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO INCLUDE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE OUR NEED SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD AND BUILD IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AGREED. I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. THAT WAY WE CAN DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HEY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THE LIBRARY, HOW MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO A PAPER SURVEY IN THE LIBRARY, WE CAN DO AN ONLINE SURVEY. AND I ALSO HAVE STATS THAT I COULD PROVIDE AS WELL. THAT, THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE HELPFUL. . I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A SURVEY, YOU NEED TO DO IT ON THE WATER BILL BECAUSE NOT ALL CITIZENS ARE UM YEAH. ARE ASKED TO TAKE THE SURVEYS. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, THEN WE SEND OUT X AMOUNT, A NUMBER OF SURVEYS. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY GO, OH, THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. YES. THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF 400 PEOPLE. YEP. OUT OF 30,000 PEOPLE. YEP. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE SURVEY, YOU NEED TO SURVEY EVERY RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN IN OUR CITY. DID YOU SAY BY MAIL? THE WAY YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT IS BY A WATER BILL UTILITY. I DON'T HAVE A WATER BILL. OH, WATER I'M OR MAIL MANVILLE WATER. NOBODY'S ON MAN, EVERYBODY, I DON'T GET THOSE. RIGHT. YOU STILL GET TWO IN TRASH, BUT YOU STILL ON, YOU HAVE THE CITY OF HUK UTILITIES BILL THAT EVERYBODY HAS. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, WELL THAT'S 24,000 PEOPLE. THAT'S 24,000 HOMES THAT ARE ON THE CITY OF HUTTO WATER. MM-HMM. RATHER HAVE A SURVEY OF 24,000 OUT OF 30,000 THAN 800 OUT 30,000. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE YOUR SURVEY UP. WELL THEY DON'T. AND SO ANYTIME ANYBODY COMES TO THE LIBRARY, COME VOTE FOR THE LIBRARY. COME VOTE FOR THE LIBRARY. . OKAY. SO WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THE CIP P A LOT, BRAGGING IT BACK TO THE CIP. I WANT, I I I LIKE YOUR GUYS' RECOMMENDATION. I STILL WANT TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT A NUMBER TO IT. I STILL RECOMMEND, AND, AND YOU ALL LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THAT DURING 2024 THE FEASIBILITY STUDY MAKES SENSE, BUT I STILL WANT TO TRY TO ADD SOME AMOUNT IN TO TRY TO DO SOME KIND OF TEMPORARY SOLUTION. I KNOW IT WOULD BE A PORTABLE SOLUTION. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PORTABLE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE TO EXPAND YOUR CAPABILITY AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE THE PORTABLE SOLUTION INTO THE PERMANENT BUILDING. UH, I REALLY WANNA ADD THAT TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW WHICH LOCATION YOU WOULD END UP USING SO THAT THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE LIBRARY BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO A C I P PROJECT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY USE. SO THERE IS THE TRAIN DPO THAT'S OPEN . SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IF, IF, IF THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 24 DESIGN AND ENGINEERING IN 25 CONSTRUCTION PHASE ONE AND 26 CONSTRUCTION FINAL 27. MATT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH YOUR OTHER TWO? CUZ I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANNA DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROJECTS IN ONE YEAR. EXACTLY. SO WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST ONLY INUNDATING YOU AND NOT COMPLETELY INUNDATING YOU . NO, I MEAN, MORE ENGINEERS. EXCUSE ME. . EXACTLY. WELL, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I HAVE THIS SAME CONVERSATION WITH CITY COUNCIL IN 10 DAYS, 11 DAYS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION [02:15:01] IS WE'RE GONNA ADD 50 ADDITIONAL PROJECTS TO THE C CIP AND CITY COUNCIL SAYS, OKAY, WE WANT TO ADD 50 PLUS FIVE MM-HMM , THEN I GET TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, IN ORDER FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, I NEED MORE ENGINEERS. YEP. YEP. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AGREED. AND THAT, THAT'S NOT A CIP ISSUE. THAT'S OF BUDGET ISSUE. THAT'S ISSUE. THAT'S A BUDGET ISSUE, RIGHT? YEP. AND SO THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT ASKING YOU GUYS TO SAY RIGHT. GO GET MORE ENGINEERS. I JUST NEED YOU GUYS TO TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO CARRY FOR YOU TO CITY COUNCIL AS FAR AS THIS YEAR, WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, IN 24 WE WANNA START THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY AND THE POLICE STATION AND DO A FEASIBILITY PROGRAMMING OF THE LIBRARY. AND THEN IN 25 WE'LL BE FULLY INTO CONSTRUCTION ON THE JUSTICE CENTER AND THE PUBLIC WORKS AND WE'LL BE STARTING ON THE LIBRARY OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA MOVE THOSE THINGS AROUND. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I JUST, THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE THING OF LIMITING IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE A STAFF OF TWO. YEP. AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SIX MONTHS NOW AND THE OTHER PERSON THAT IS ON BOARD HAS BEEN HERE FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS ONLY EIGHT PROJECTS RIGHT OUT OF THE 120. YEAH. YEAH. A HUNDRED. YEAH. 110 PLUS 10. SO, UM, YEAH, IT DOES ANYONE OBJECT TO THAT KIND OF FRAMEWORK FOR THE C I P RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIBRARY? SO 2015 IS GONNA BE MORE ABOUT ENGINEERING, MAKING SURE WE HAVE LAND, THINGS LIKE THAT, DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. BUT CONSTRUCTION WON'T START UNTIL 2026, CORRECT? MM-HMM. . YEP. MM-HMM. , DOES THAT SOUND OKAY TO EVERYONE? I LIKE IT. MM-HMM. . WELL, YEAH. WE GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WE'RE GONNA BE READDRESSING THIS NEXT YEAR, SO. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT RIGHT. SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MATT CAN TELL US. EXACTLY. RIGHT? HEY GUYS, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT WORKING. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA KIND OF PRESS ON YEP. MOVE AHEAD TO, UH, 2026. THANK YOU. F O ONE. THANK YOU TR THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THAT IS THE PD MAINTENANCE IMPOUND. THAT WAS AN IDEA THAT I HAD. I'VE DEALT WITH POLICE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, PRIOR TO MY, THE START OF MY ADULT LIFE. AND I KNOW THAT POLICE TYPICALLY HAVE AN IMPOUND AND A MAINTENANCE YARD. NOW, AS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT GROWS, AS WE ADD IN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, DISPATCH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR OUR FLEET OF VEHICLES. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS FOR HU'S FLEET OF VEHICLES, BUT I JUST THREW THAT IN THERE. HEY, LET'S MAKE A PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE POLICE, THE CURRENT POLICE STATION, AND THAT'S OUR IMPOUND YARD OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE HIT 50,000. WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS ALREADY MAKING NOISE ABOUT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR DISPATCH SERVICES. THEY'RE GONNA START MAKING NOISE ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR IMPOUND. AND THAT WAS, WOULD THIS NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE JUSTICE CENTER OR THE NEW POLICE STATION? IT COULD BE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY. IT DOESN'T, DIDN'T YOU SAY THERE'S NO MORE SPACE IN THAT AREA? SO WHERE ARE YOU WANTING TO PUT THIS? WELL, IF I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK, IF THAT BECOMES AN IMPOUND YARD RATHER THAN A POLICE PARKING LOT, THERE WILL BE FENCING, SECURITY, ET CETERA ADDED TO IT. I I AM, I'M GOING PUT A PAUSE TO THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE DO NOT WANT TO TURN A PRIME CITY OWNED LOCATION RIGHT ON FRONT STREET INTO AN IMPOUND HOUSE. YES. . THE LAST THING WE'RE DOING. I UNDERSTAND. I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO VISUALIZE THAT. YEAH. I DON'T WANNA, CAN I THROW OUT AN OPTION FOR THIS? SO PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY WE'RE WORKING TO POSSIBLY BUILD OUT BY 2026. CORRECT. BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION, AND SOMEBODY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE WOULD THEN BE VACATING THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. WE CAN REUSE THAT AS THE POLICE IMPOUND LOT FOR ZERO COSTS. UH, NO, BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE FENCING, THE SECURITY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YES. $20,000 VERSUS, BUT AREN'T THEY USING, I I THOUGHT THAT CHIEF YARD WORLD INDICATED THAT THE EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS LOCATION IS BEING USED FOR IMPOUND TODAY. IT PROBABLY IS BASED ON THE BASIS. SO IF IT IS, SO THEN WHY CAN'T YOU DO WHAT COMMISSIONER LEE JUST SAID? YEAH, I JUST WANNA ECHO THAT. SOME OF THE WRECKED VEHICLES THAT, UH, IN A HOMICIDE ARE STORED, STORED IN THE BACK OF OKAY. PUBLIC WORKS. AND SOMETIMES THOSE VEHICLES HAVE TO WAIT TILL ALL THE COURT CASES ARE CLEAR AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO THEY TAKE UP A, UH, QUITE A BIT OF SPACE BACK THERE. NOTHING THAT'S, UH, PREVENTING THEM [02:20:01] FROM, FROM OUR CREWS, FROM DOING THE JOB NOW. BUT AS WE GROW, IT COULD IMPOUND OR IF WE HAVE A LOT OF FATALITIES, IT COULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT TYPICALLY HOW MANY, HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE IN THE IMPOUND? UH, I BELIEVE THAT LAST TIME I WAS OVER THERE WAS PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT. OKAY. THE CITY DOES HAVE TWO ACRES OF LAND BY, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IS THEIRS THAT THEY COULD USE FOR IMPOUND. AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, ONE OF THE CHIEFS WANTED TO, UH, DO THAT, UH, THAT'S, UH, WAS HERE BEFORE. THE REASON WHY I KNOW THIS IS CAUSE THEY PURCHASED, UH, WHEN THEY TOOK OVER THE DITCHES IN HU THAT WAS PART OF THE DITCHES. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT WAS LAID OUT, THERE'S TWO ACRES OVER THERE THAT THEY COULD VERY EASILY USE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT CONNECTED RIGHT. WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S, BUT IT, I MEAN, THEY COULD USE IT. AND MUCH LIKE MY, MY THINKING ON PUTTING THIS ON THE C I P LIST TWO MONTHS AGO WAS LET'S GET IT ON THERE SO THAT PEOPLE KEEP THINKING ABOUT IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN 26. I'M JUST SAYING THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR THIS AS THE CITY GETS BIGGER, THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR AN IMPOUND YARD OR MAINTENANCE, POLICE MAINTENANCE FACILITY. YOU KNOW, LIKE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WHO INSTALLS THE RADIOS, WHERE IS THAT ACTUALLY DONE? OKAY. AND IF THERE'S NOT A YEAH. NOT A PLACE FOR IT. CAN I ASK A LOGISTICS QUESTION TO MATT AND ASHLEY AND THE REST OF THE CITY STAFF BEFORE WE KEEP GOING? WHEN WE SAY WE'RE REMOVING SOMETHING, WE'RE REMOVING IT FROM THE CIP THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IS THERE STILL SOMETHING WHERE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE TRACKING THESE PROJECTS STILL THAT WE ARE SAYING ARE NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE KIND OF THE MASTER, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIST, BUT IT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED IN THE CIP. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THINGS LIKE THIS WE SHOULD BE REMOVING RIGHT NOW. AGREED. AND THEN YOU GUYS STILL TRACK IT WHEREVER YOU GUYS TRACK IT ON YOUR INTERNAL SHAREPOINT. YEP. AND THEN WHENEVER WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT LATER, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY BRING IT UP IN TWO YEARS OF THE CIP PROPOSAL. SURE. DOES THAT HAPPEN? IS THAT A PLAN? CAN YOU, CAN YOU ? WELL, I'M, SO I'M, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. UM, IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE PAST. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING DONE, BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST GO AROUND WITH ME AS THE CITY ENGINEER YEAH. DOING THE CIP. AND SO WE ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN I'M KEEPING ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF SPREADSHEETS MM-HMM. , I'M KEEPING TRACK OF ALL OF THIS STUFF. YEAH. AND SO WE CAN KEEP THIS. AND SO THEN WHEN NEXT YEAR ROLLS AROUND AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN IMPOUND YARD STILL, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK UP AND SAY WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST YEAR, YOU DECIDED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE LIST. YEAH. YEP. DO YOU WANT TO ADD IT BACK IN? YOU CAN ADD LITTLE AND THEN THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING CUZ I, I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALISTICALLY THINK A LOT OF THIS WE JUST NEED TO REMOVE. I'M FINE. AND JUST MAKE, MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE TRACKING. EXACTLY. I'M FINE WITH CALLING THAT ONE A DROP. JUST LIKE WE CALLED THE TRAIN DEPOT A DROP. YEP. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. DROP IT AND THEY WOULD'VE THE FINAL SAY. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. OKAY. WELL IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING THE POLICE MAINTENANCE IMPOUND AS A DROP? YEP. YEP. OKAY, THEN THAT'S WHAT I WILL PUNCH IN HERE. OKAY. UH, SO WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER PROJECTS IN EMERGENCY SERVICES OR EMERGENCY SERVICES, SORRY, IN PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEY ARE, I BELIEVE BOTH EMERGENCY SERVICES. I JUST THREW 'EM IN THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE KIND OF UNASSIGNED ON THIS GIANT SPREADSHEET. OH. FIRST ONE IS THE DUAL BAND RADIOS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A C I P I THINK THAT'S A BUDGET. THAT'S A BUDGET THING. IT'S IN HERE THOUGH. IT IS IN IT IS ON THE SPREADSHEET. YEAH. OTHER EQUIPMENT. OTHER EQUIPMENT. YEAH. I'M THINKING THAT'S A BUDGET. THAT'S NOT A C I P DIDN'T, DIDN'T THE CITY COUNCIL? I DIDN'T THE CITY COUNCIL A YEAR OR TWO AGO APPROVED DOING THIS ALREADY. UH, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGER RIGHT HERE BUDGETED TWO YEARS AGO. THIS IS, THIS IS A NEW REQUEST FROM OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. OH, WHAT, I'M SORRY. THIS IS A NEW REQUEST FROM OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR TO GET TO, I COULD HAVE SWORN THE CITY CITY COUNCIL PASSED. WELL, THEY, THEY DID LOOK AT THE HAM RADIOS, BUT THAT WASN'T CONNECTED TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE. OKAY. I COULD BE VERY WRONG ON THAT. AND THEN THE TRAILER, I BELIEVE IS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AS WELL. YES, YES. OKAY. SO [02:25:01] MY OPINION, THESE ARE BOTH BUDGET, NOT C I P. AGREE. AGREE. I AGREE. AGREED. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO DROP THEM OFF THE C I P LIST. AGREED LIST. AGREED. I I AGREE WITH THAT TOO. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? YES SIR. YEAH. YES, I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THEN I WILL MARK THOSE TWO AS DROPS AS WELL, WHICH LEAVES US WITH FOUR PROJECTS FOR FACILITIES. UM, OKAY. CAN WE JUST GO OVER THAT REAL QUICK? SURE. SO WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. YEP. YOU'VE GOT THE POLICE STATION. YEP. JUSTICE CENTER POLICE STATION. YES. JUSTICE CENTER. YEP. UH, YOU'VE DECIDED THAT YOU'D WANT TO RECOMMEND A CITY COUNCIL TO DROP THE TRAIN DEPOT? YEP. YEP. YEP. UH, LIBRARY, YOU'RE GOING TO DO FEASIBILITY PROGRAMMING, THAT KIND OF STUFF IN 24. YEP. DESIGN IN 25. CONSTRUCTION IN 26 AND 27 AND 27. THE PD MAINTENANCE SLASH IMPOUND, YOU'RE DROPPING DROP. YEP. WHAT ABOUT THE REC CENTER COMMUNITY CENTER? YEAH, SO THE FOUR THAT I'M TRACKING ARE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, PD OR JUSTICE CENTER, REC CENTER AND LIBRARY. OKAY. SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IT AT THIS POINT MM-HMM. IS SAY IT'S WHICH ONE'S NUMBER 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. THAT WAY WE CAN WELL, I, I AGREE. REAL, REAL QUICK ON THE REC CENTER, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY, BUT PROJECT TOTAL AT THE MOMENT, AND, AND IF I'M RIGHT, I THINK I'M BASING ON YOUR NOTES BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED, APPARENTLY ALREADY IN THE BOND AT SOME POINT. YES. AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT SLATED WHERE WE'RE NOT EVEN LOOKING AT FEASIBILITY FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. RIGHT. WHY IS THAT? SO IT WASN'T SPEC, IT, IT, THE LANGUAGE AND THE BOND WAS FLEXIBLE THAT, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY DID SAY FLEXIBLE, UH, REC CENTER, ATHLETIC FIELD. SO IT DIDN'T SAY WE'RE BUILDING A REC CENTER, IT SAID TO INCLUDE OR COULD INCLUDE OREX THAT ARE IN AN ATHLETIC FIELDS. EXACTLY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, THE SITUATION KIND OF WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE ROAD THING, YOU KNOW, OR THE POLICE YEAH. IT'S KIND POLICE SPECIFICALLY. WE'RE DOING DISPATCH, BUT IF P D CHOOSES TO MOVE IT UP, WE'LL WE'LL GLADLY, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE TO NUMBER ONE. WE'LL GLADLY TAKE THAT. RIGHT. WELL, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. HEY, WHAT, WHAT DO WE THINK IS FIRST OUT OF THOSE FOUR, WHICH, WHICH FOUR ARE YOU SAYING? PUBLIC WORKS, PD, UH, SORRY. UH, PUBLIC WORKS. I'LL JUST GO DOWN NEW POLICE STATION OR JUSTICE CENTER LIBRARY REC SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER AND NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION OF IMPORTANCE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TIMELINE. RIGHT. PRIVACY TIMELINE SHOWS SOME BEFORE THE OTHERS. EXACTLY. OKAY. EXACTLY. WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO TELL COUNSEL WE BELIEVE IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OUT OF THOSE PROJECTS? AND MAYBE THEY WANT TO MOVE AROUND THE TIMELINE A LITTLE BIT. WELL, ONE QUESTION I GUESS IS, CAN I ASK WHICH ONE ON THE, ON THE, UM, TONY, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON ONE SEC. GO AHEAD, JIM. I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UM, IS, IS LOOKING AT THESE AS, WHICH IS GOING TO GET ANTIQUATED QUICKER? NOT ONLY IS IT WHICH ONE'S THE NEED, BUT AS YOU BROUGHT UP AT THE LIBRARY THAT YOU KNOW HOW FAR WE ARE BEHIND MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING WITH THE A POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTER. HOW LONG CAN WE, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW LONG CAN WE GET BY WITH WHAT WE GOT? I'M NOT SAYING I'M HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. YEAH. BUT DO WE WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION ON THESE FOUR ITEMS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE? WELL, THAT, I THINK THAT'S A RATIONALE FOR PRIORITIZATION. YES. TONY, MY QUESTION ON THE, ON THE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, IS THERE AN AN URGENT NEED FOR A NEW ONE NOW, OR, OR CAN IT LAST A FEW MORE YEARS? UH, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE REASONING BEHIND IT. SO THE REASONING BEHIND THE PUBLIC WORKS IS THE SAME, THE, AS WHAT TRUDY SHARED WITH YOU ABOUT THE LIBRARY. AND IT'S THE SAME AS WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF WOULD SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT THE POLICE STATION IS THEY ARE ALL BEYOND. OKAY. UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, WE ADDED A POLE BARN I THINK THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO TO TRY TO PROTECT SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE WERE JUST HAVING TO PARK ALL OF OUR BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT OUT IN THE SUN ALL THE TIME. MM-HMM. . AND SO TO TRY TO PROTECT SOME OF IT, WE ADDED A POLE BARN, WHICH EFFECTIVELY TOOK UP THE LAST FREE SPACE IN THE YARD. UM, THEY HAVE A TRAILER THAT'S KIND OF WEDGED IN THE CORNER THERE. THAT'S WHAT THEY HOUSE THEIR DIRECTOR AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS AN OFFICE IN OVER THERE. SO THEY'RE, AND PARKING IS RANDOM AT BEST. UM, WHEN EVERYBODY'S [02:30:01] THERE AND ALL OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR, EVERYBODY'S COMING IN IN THE MORNING AND ALL THEIR PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES ARE ALREADY THERE. IT'S JUST A FREE FOR ALL KIND OF FEEL. OKAY. UM, THE MAINTENANCE GUY OPERATES, WE HAVE ONE FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, PERSON, AND HE OPERATES OUT OF THAT SAME AREA, THAT SAME, UH, BUILDING. AND SO WHENEVER HE'S GOT VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE SERVICED, THAT'S ADDED TO THE MIX. AND SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE OKAY. THEY'RE BEYOND CAPACITY. OKAY. IS THAT, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WAS WANTING TO KNOW THAT ISN'T ANIMAL CONTROL ALSO OUT THERE? YES. MM-HMM. . YEAH. AND THAT'S ALSO THE PD IMPOUND LAW WHENEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S JAM PACKED. YEAH. AND I THINK WITH THE POLICE STATION, WHEN I ATTENDED HU CITIZEN UNIVERSITY, CHIEF YARO MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, HOW THEY STORE EVIDENCE MM-HMM. CAN'T EVEN FIT IT INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S IN A TRAILER. RIGHT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THIS, THEY'RE BOTH BUSTING OUT THE SAME, RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY. YES. RIGHT. SO, AND BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE LOCATION OF OUR EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT BILL ZETO MENTIONED, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT A MOMENT AGO, HAVING IT THAT CLOSE TO THE RAIL, THE TRAIN AND THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A CATASTROPHE, A DERAILMENT, SOMETHING, HAVING THAT RIGHT THERE NEXT TO YOUR PD, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION. A BAD IDEA. YEAH. IT'S VERY BAD. RIGHT. SO, UM, YEP. IT'S HARD TO SAY ONE OR TWO OR THREE, BUT THEY'RE VERY, YOU KNOW, YEAH. IT, I MEAN THEY BOTH HAVE URGENT NEEDS. YEAH. THIS, THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE DEFINITE INFRASTRUCTURE URGENT NEEDS, AND THEN ONE THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR FIVE YEARS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENING ON IT. RIGHT. SO ANOTHER THING LOOKING AT PRIORITIZING THIS, I MEAN, THIS IS FOUR ITEMS, RIGHT? RIGHT. I MEAN, AND ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY ARE THEY'RE MA OUT MAX CAPACITY, IS THIS SOMETHING OF THE P AND Z PURVIEW, OR SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE IT UP TO CITY COUNCILS? CAUSE IT'S JUST FOUR ITEMS. NOW WHEN WE GOT 31 ITEMS AGREED IN PARKS THERE, IT MAY BE MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE P AND Z GIVEN INPUT ON PRIORITIES OR TIERS, TERS, YOU KNOW. YES. THERE'S ONE SECOND. I I DON'T LIKE THE, I DON'T LIKE RANKING SYSTEMS. I LIKE RIGHT. TIERS. THESE ARE, AND THIS, THESE FOUR ITEMS IN FACILITIES I THINK ARE JUST TIER ONE. WELL, MY, MY THINKING IS THAT IF WE LUMP THEM INTO A TIER ONE UHHUH, THEN WE ARE NOT GIVING COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO. THAT'S FAIR. GIVE ANY WITHIN TIER. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY GO TO BONDS AND IT'S ALL LUMPED INTO ONE BOND, THEN YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE WHOLE BOND. RIGHT. WHEN YOU REALLY ONLY WANNA VOTE YES. FOR THIS PART. NO, FOR THIS PART. MAYBE FOR THIS PART, BUT YOU CAN, I THINK I WAS JUST SAYING WITH FOUR VERSUS 30, I THINK IF WE, IF WE COME UP WITH A PRIORITY, KIND OF LOSES IT AND YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR ITEMS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SAY THREE OF THEM ARE TIER ONE AND ONE OF THEM'S TIER TWO. RIGHT. BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE ALL EQUIVALENT TIERS IN A WAY. EXACTLY. ONE POINT A, ONE POINT B, ONE POINT C TWO . OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT ME THERE. , ROMAN NUM RULES. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. JUST, JUST, OKAY. JUST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. UM, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BONDS THAT WE TYPICALLY USE. WE HAVE GEOS AND WE HAVE COS YEP. RIGHT. GEOS IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO GO FOR PUBLIC VOTE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN 2018 WHEN WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE STREET. THAT WAS ONE GEO BOND. THE PUBLIC SAFETY WAS ANOTHER, AND THEN THE, UH, PARKS WAS A, WAS A THIRD. WAS A THIRD. YEAH. AND THE CITIZENS VOTED FOR ALL THREE. YEP. AND SO ONE OF YOUR, PART OF YOUR PURVIEW WOULD BE, COULD BE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE CAN'T PRIORITIZE THESE THREE, WE THINK THEY'RE ALL THREE. AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU PUT THEM OUT FOR CITIZENS VOTE TO SEE WHICH ONE THE CITIZENS WOULD SUPPORT. MM-HMM. , THAT COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RANK THESE ALL EVENLY. AND SO WE WANT THE, WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO VOTE FOR THEM. MM-HMM. , DOES THAT DELAY IT THOUGH? DOES THAT DELAY IT BY HAVING IT NEEDING TO BE VOTED ON? BUT YOU WOULD HAVE, RIGHT. IT WOULD HAVE TO GO ON A NOVEMBER BOND ELECTION. RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S, WE LOSE, IT'S A LOT OF TIME IF OUR DEADLINE TO HAVE ANYTHING PUT ON THE BALLOT IS AUGUST 1ST OR AUGUST THE 31ST. RIGHT. SO IT'S A FAIR POINT. YEP. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A FAIR POINT. VERY MUCH A TIME CRUNCH ON THIS. I WOULDN'T WANNA DELAY IT. I I WOULD NOT WANT TO DELAY THESE EITHER. NO. BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL VERY CRITICAL. BUT TONY HAD A GOOD POINT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AS CITIZENS HAVE VOTED FOR, WE KNOW THE TWO, TWO OF THE FOUR OF 'EM. RIGHT. AND SO [02:35:01] WE KNOW PRIORITIES, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A RESOUNDING, LIKE EVERYBODY WAS GOING OUT FOR THE FACT THAT WE NEED OUR OWN COMMUNICATIONS. I MEAN, RIGHT. YEAH. WE'RE DEPENDING ON WILCO, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE SPACE THAT'S ALL GROWING QUICKLY. RIGHT. GOING TO BE A MILLION A YEAR. I THINK IN TWO YEARS. YEAH. WAS JUST LISTED THE NUMBER ONE BY TODAY SHOW. SO THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE YEP. YEAH. WILCO'S ABOUT TO GET SLAMMED EVEN MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS. EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? GIVE IT A 1, 2, 3, 4 RATING? I WOULD, I WOULD, I LIKE THAT IDEA. YES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. FINE. THEN I'M GONNA ASK, I'LL LEAD OFF WITH NEW POLICE STATION OR JUSTICE CENTER. ONE ONE. ONE ONE. ANYONE DISAGREE? ALL RIGHT. I'M PUTTING THAT DOWN AS ONE. UH, NEXT ITEM IS THE LIBRARY. THREE. THREE. THREE. ANY OTHER NUMBERS? WE'RE DOING ONE THROUGH FOUR. MM I THINK THREE MIGHT WORK. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT FOUR IS WELL WHAT, FOUR? WHAT'S, WHAT ARE THE FOUR THEN? THE REC AND UNFORTUNATELY, I, I, I WOULD PUBLIC WORKS SAY FOUR PUBLIC. I WOULD, I AGREE WITH TONY. I SAY FOUR FOR THE LIBRARY. I'M, I'M THINKING FOUR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAID THREE, WHAT WOULD FOUR BE RECS? YEP. THE REC CENTER. YEAH. THE WHOLE THING IS, IS THAT'S ONLY PHASE ONE. AND OH, I MEAN THERE'S MY, HERE'S WHERE, HERE'S WHERE MY PROBLEM WITH THE, WHERE I, WHY I'M PICKING THE LIBRARY OVER THE REC CENTER. MM-HMM. A I DIDN'T HAVE INTERNET FOR YEARS AND I HAD TO USE THE LIBRARY AND YOU KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS TO WALK INTO A PLACE AND YOU'RE HAVING TO WAIT FOR TWO TO THREE HOURS JUST TO MM-HMM. JUST TO DO ONE THING. SO I, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE, OR I'D HAVE TO DRIVE TO VILLE ROUND ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO I'M MORE PERSONAL, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT THE LIBRARY IS MORE EDUCATIONAL AND MORE MM-HMM. AND IT'S FOR THE, IT'S FOR THE KIDS. JUST LIKE THE REC CENTER. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE Y YOU ALSO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS THAT I KNOW ARE NOT THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT THERE IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION THAT IS BIGGER THAN 48 PEOPLE IN A LITTLE ROOM. NO, I, AND SO THAT'S WHY I PICKED THREE. NO, I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I WAS NOT REFUTING THE ORDERING NUMBER. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. WOULD AGREE. WELL, YOU, YOU ASKED AND I WAS I KNOW. THANKS. AGREE WITH THE THREE FOR THAT ALL I'M ALL I'M STILL TRYING TO SAY WITH THE REC CENTER IS IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND GENERALLY PROMISED WE NEED TO ACCELERATE THAT SOONER. RIGHT. WE CAN STILL KEEP IT NUMBER FOUR, BUT WE NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE AMOUNTS COME SOONER. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY A FEASIBILITY THING IN FOUR YEARS. NO, ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A PRIORITY. I'M JUST I KNOW IF YOU'RE TELLING ONE THROUGH FOUR YES. YEAH. TO ME IT IS FOUR OUT OF THE, BECAUSE YES, I AGREE. TO ME, WE DO HAVE ALTERNATIVES FOR NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE WITH THE LIBRARY. RIGHT. I AGREE. OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. I, I AM OKAY WITH LIBRARY BEING THREE AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE REC CENTER. I WOULD LOVE THE REC CENTER, BUT, SO I THINK MY, MY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TO THAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WOULD BE THAT THERE IS A LIBRARY NOW ALREADY IN EXISTENCE THAT PEOPLE WITHOUT THE INTERNET CAN UTILIZE. WE DON'T HAVE A REC CENTER PERIOD AND NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD THE Y CUZ IT'S MEMBERSHIP BASED. MM-HMM. . SO THE REC, BASED OFF OF MY ASSUMPTION, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR PEOPLE TO, TO USE IT. AND ASHLEY'S GIVING ME A FACE. YEAH. SO MAYBE I'M WRONG. MOST REC CENTERS AROUND HERE HAVE A FEE, A FEE FEE TO USE THE REC CENTER. I DON'T KNOW ANY REC CENTERS THAT IT'S FREE. I DON'T EITHER. THERE'S CITY MANAGER. IT DEPENDS ON REALLY ULTIMATELY HOW MUCH COUNSEL WANTS TO SUPPORT IT. SO I'VE SEEN ANYWHERE FROM 25% COST RECOVERY, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, $10 A MONTH OR $5 A MONTH TYPE OF DEAL, OR A HUNDRED PERCENT COST RECOVERY AND YOU'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, $300 A MONTH. BUT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GETTING MORE VALUE FOR THAT, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND NO PHASE ONE VERSUS PHASE TWO OR THREE. WELL CUZ THE REC CENTER IS THE BIGGEST TICKET ITEM THAT WE HAVE GONNA COST MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE IT'S, UM, THE GOING PRICE NOW IS WHAT, $400 A SQUARE FOOT. SO YOU FIGURE A GYM ALONE IS 50 BY 90. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JEFF, 4,500 SQUARE FEET LET'S 1.6 MILLION JUST FOR THAT. THERE'S NO ACTUAL COST IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSING PUTTING THE POOL IN WITH THE REC CENTER, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , THAT COULD BE AN OPTION. WHICH THERE ARE POOLS IN THE HOAS IN MANY OF THEM THERE BELIEVE 13 AND THERE ARE POOLS. AND SO I BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LEVERAGE THE REC CENTER DON'T LIVE IN A, WHERE THERE'S AN HOA TO GO SWIMMING AT. RIGHT. I KNOW. I I DON'T LIVE IN ANY HOA. I DON'T HAVE A POOL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I [02:40:01] WOULD LIKE A REC CENTER, BUT IT'S A, I WOULD LIKE A REC CENTER. NOT, WE'RE BURSTING AT THE SEAMS, SO WE'RE NOT, WE ALSO HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS. WE HAVE PARKS. OUR PARKS NEED A LOT OF HELP. WE, WE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE, THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE ON THE PARKS AREA. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A BETTER BANDAID FOR US THAN THE LIBRARY BANDAIDS THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH. IS IS KIND OF MY, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT THE REC CENTER COULD ALSO BE USED LIKE A SENIOR CENTER YES. WHERE SENIORS COULD GO. YES. AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM NOW THAT I'M PERSONALLY AWARE OF. SO I DON'T, I THINK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THREE VERSUS FOUR, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THE INTENT OF THE REC CENTER IS. LIKE WHAT WOULD IT INCLUDE? RIGHT. WELL THAT'S WHAT THE REALLY, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD HELP US KIND OF DEFINE THAT SCOPE OF GOT IT. OF WHAT IT IS. AND, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE, WHERE DO WE NEED TO PURCHASE LAND? ARE WE GOING TO USE EXISTING LAND? AND AS YOU SAID, I MEAN, AND HOW BIG IS SIZE FOUR, FIVE YEARS OUT. YEAH, THAT'S CRAZY TO BE THAT FAR OUT. SO WOULD IT BE A AGREED UPON TO MOVE THE FEASIBILITY FROM 2027 TO 2025 ON THE REC CENTER? YEAH. MM-HMM. , THAT WAY WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO AND CAN THEN, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REC CENTER, WE MAY PUSH IT TO THE LEFT A YEAR. I REPRI 2020. I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. SORRY. I RECOMMEND DOING IT IN 2024. YEAH. FEASIBILITY STUDY AS WELL. YES. OKAY. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. YEAH. GEORGETOWN JUST DID ONE AND THAT'S WHERE THIS NUMBER CAME FROM. OKAY. THEY, THEY RESIDE 105, 110,000 FOR THEIRS. SO WE FIGURED ANY COST OF INFLATION THAT WOULD COVER THAT FROM A STAFF RESOURCE PERSPECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS. IS THIS MORE OF A YOU JEFF THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ON? OR IS THIS A MATT THING? BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT MATT AND HIS TEAM OF TWO. IT'S A, IT'S A, IT WOULD BE A TEAM EFFORT. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO BRING ON CONSULTANTS, UM, WHETHER THEY BE ARCHITECTS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, GEOTECH, SURVEYORS, WHATEVER, I'M INVOLVED. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT THE SUBJECT MANAGER EXPERT ON WHAT WE NEED IN A REC CENTER. I JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION. AND SO JEFF WOULD BE POINT, THE POINT FOR HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, LIKE WHAT, PROGRAMMING WISE, WHAT DO WE NEED IN HERE? AND TALKING TO ALL OF THE, THE PUBLIC ABOUT THOSE THINGS. BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR DESIGN AND YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT IS IN THERE, THAT'S WHEN IT GETS KICKED BACK OVER TO MY SIDE. MY SIDE. YEAH. IT'S A, IT'S A WHOLE TEAM REALLY APPROACH BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE BUILDING WISE MM-HMM. . RIGHT. WANNA MAKE SURE MATT IS SATISFIED WITH IT IF THERE'S ANY FUNDING FROM E D C THAT WE HAVE TO DO. UM, SO THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT. SO THERE'S LOTS OF TIMING. IT'S A TEAM EFFORT REALLY. BUT PARKS AND REC TAKES THE LEAD ON, ON THAT AND WORKING WITH ARCHITECTS. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR FEEL? NOT, NOT THE WHOLE AGENDA IS, BUT WHAT'S YOUR FEEL FOR CITY COUNCIL'S PLANS OF STAFFING INCREASES FOR YOU? FOR ME? YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE WAS A, YEAH, I MEAN FOR, FOR IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, YOU SAID THERE'S A DEPARTMENT GROUP OF, I MEAN IT'S JUST TWO, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO OF US CURRENTLY AND ANY RECS OPEN. UM, I JUST SUBMITTED ANOTHER JOB DESCRIPTION HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THAT POSTED FOR A THIRD ENGINEER. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THE, THE ONE, AND SO THAT'S PART OF A NEGOTIATION THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAD DONE WITH CITY COUNCIL BEFORE I GOT HERE. YEAH. UM, THE ONLY POSITION THAT I'M ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS A GIS MODELER YES. TO MODEL. UM, THAT'S WHAT YEAH. OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER MODELS FOR US SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME SEND THAT OUT TO CONSULTANTS MM-HMM. . UM, SO THERE'S NO ASK AS OF TODAY TO ADD ANY MORE BEYOND THE THREE ENGINEERS THAT WE ALREADY RIGHT. THINK WE HAVE LINK WITH CITY MANAGER THIS PAST WEEK OR THIS WEEK. UM, AND THE GIS GUY IS REALLY HIGH ON HIS LIST, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CITY COUNCILS, BUT ANYWAY. YEAH. I JUST WAS CURIOUS HOW, BECAUSE THIS LOADING IS, I MEAN YOU'RE DOING A GOD JOB TO CREATE MORE WORK FOR YOURSELF, . WELL, I MEAN THAT, IT MAKES, IT MAKES YOU IRREPLACEABLE SO WELL, I MEAN, SO WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING, RIGHT? WHEN YOU COME GO TO WORK ANYWHERE, WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IS MAKE YOURSELF AS VALUABLE AS YOU CAN. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT, AND SO LIKE THAT WASN'T MY GOAL WHEN I PUT THE CIP TOGETHER. MY GOAL WAS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE MASTER PLANS AND ALL THE NEEDS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY GO AND DO IF WE HAD UNLIMITED RESOURCES. RIGHT. WE DO NOT. AND SO NOW UNFORTUNATELY [02:45:01] IT FALLS TO THIS BODY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW TO CUT BACK THIS FIRST ASK. RIGHT. AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND SO, UM, I SEE THAT RICK STEPPED OUT. SO IF I CAN MM-HMM. , IF I CAN SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, YOU GUYS BELIEVE, AND I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS, THAT THE PD JUSTICE CENTER IS RANKED NUMBER ONE FOR THE FACILITIES. YES. CORRECT. YEAH. YEP. AND THEN THE CENTER ONE PUBLIC WORK, THE QUESTION, SO THE LIBRARY FOR SOME OF YOU AS NUMBER THREE, AND FOR SOME OF YOU AS NUMBER FOUR, I'M GUESSING THAT THE REC CENTER WOULD BE FLIPPED, CORRECT? CORRECT. TO BE EITHER NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR FOR THE OPPOSITE. THAT'S RIGHT. YES. AND SO THEN THAT MEANS THAT WOULD PUBLIC WORKS BE NUMBER TWO? TWO, YES. YES. YEP. OKAY. SOME GOOD DEDUCTION. AND BASED OFF OF THE SCORES IN THE ORIGINAL IT, IT HAD IT WHERE LIBRARY WAS UP ONE POINT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY TWO, YOU HAD IT UP ONE POINT OVER, YOU HAD IT AT TWO POINTS AND YOU HAD THE OTHER ONE AT ONE POINT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? POINTS? UM, LEMME SEE. I SLIGHT MORE CLARIFICATION. RIGHT. I DID CATCH A COUPLE OF TYPOS MATCH WHERE YOU PUT THREES IN THE TWO COLUMN. I CORRECTED THOSE ONLINE. YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT WASN'T THE LIBRARY. I THINK THE LIBRARY WAS BECAUSE UM, I WANTED THEM OUT RIGHT NOW WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2010 FACILITIES PLAN. YOU'RE JUST GONNA CREATE ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. TO HAVE A STANDALONE LIBRARY FOR THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT GOT THAT EXTRA. THE, SO IT WAS ON A MASTER EXTRA BOOST. IT WAS JUST, IT WAS DEFINITELY DISCUSSED IN THE MASTER PLAN. YES. OR AT LEAST A COMP PLAN. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SAY RIGHT NOW THAT IT WAS, WAS OR WASN'T DISCUSSED IN THE COMP PLAN. BUT I CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT IN THE 2010, WHICH IS CLEARLY OUTDATED, FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, THE LIBRARY WAS INCLUDED AS A STANDAL, AS A STAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL ALL WE READY TO MOVE ON TO PARKS. WELL, OKAY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, NEED BACK. YEP. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, SO PUBLIC WORKS IS NUMBER TWO, PD WAS NUMBER ONE. DID WE GET A CONSENSUS? IS LIBRARY NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR? I THOUGHT THREE FOR LIBRARY. LIBRARY IS THREE. THREE. HOW MANY PEOPLE PICKED FOUR? UH, I'LL STICK WITH THREE. ONLY ONE I SIZES. FOUR. I ONLY TWO. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE THREE, YOU'RE A THREE FOR LIFE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FIVE TWO UHHUH, FOR THREE. YEAH. FIVE, TWO. YEAH. WOULD BE YOUR FOR THAT. RIGHT. SO LIBRARY IS THREE. LIBRARY THREE. REC IS FOUR. REC IS THEN FOUR. OKAY. SO THEN, AND I ASSUME, I ASSUME REC IS THREE FOR TONY AND CHERYL. RICK IS THREE. THAT'S I BORN RICK. GOTCHA. YEP. SO THEY'RE JUST FLIP FLOPPED, . GOT IT. SO THEN AS FAR AS NOW THAT YOU'VE PRIORITIZED THOSE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE WAY WE'VE GOT THEM SCHEDULED? SO CLEARLY IT SOUNDS LIKE THE REC CENTER NEEDS TO MOVE TO THE LEFT. YES. RIGHT. SO FEASIBILITY IN 2024, THAT'S AMAZING FOR THE REC CENTER, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE TOOK OUT THE 200,000 FOR THE TRAIN. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND THEN FEASIBILITY IN 24 YOU SAID? YES, IN 24 INSTEAD OF IN 27. BUT THEN CONSTRUCTION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE LOOKING AT 26 OR 27, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF YOU DO FEASIBILITY IN 24, YOU'RE GONNA NEED PROBABLY A GOOD YEAR FOR ALL THE DESIGN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST, YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THE INTERNAL STUFF, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE EXTERNAL STUFF CUZ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, IT'S GONNA BE A TYPICAL SITE PROJECT. SO WE'LL HAVE THE ENTIRE SITE LAYOUT, WHICH MEANS THAT ASHLEY AND I WILL BE LOOKING AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE CODES AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE ALL THE INTERNAL STUFF. AND WITH JEFF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THIS ROOM NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. THIS ROOM NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. YOU NEED TO PUT THIS OVER HERE, YOU NEED TO CHANGE FEASIBILITY. AND SO WHEN YOU GET INSIDE THE BUILDINGS IT GETS, GETS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE ARCHITECTS GET VERY CREATIVE AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT TO NEED. AND SO THEN YOU HAVE TO KIND OF REIGN THEM BACK IN AND WHEN YOU REIGN THEM BACK IN, IT AFFECTS OTHER THINGS AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY TWEAKING. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY 18 MONTHS IS FOR A FULL DESIGN BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION. 26. 26. SO 24 FEASIBILITY, 25 AND 26 DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. 26 AND 27 CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. I'M GONNA PAUSE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE ALREADY AT 900 AND SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS AND RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR THE REC CENTER CAUSE THAT 2 MILLION IS NOT CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF GETTING THE BALL GOING. YEAH, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ADD 40, $50 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THIS [02:50:01] POSSIBLY. SO IF WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY FACTOR IN THAT WE ARE CUTTING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ON OTHER CATEGORIES. IF WE'RE WANTING TO ACCELERATE THAT, NOW I GET THAT IT'S PROMISED TO THE CITIZENS, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT CITIZENS. BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY CUT SOME ROADS GETTING FIXED LIKE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE ALL SUCK. YEAH. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE FOR PUTTING CONSTRUCTION UP SOONER. UH, THE FEASIBILITY MAKES SENSE. BUT THEN ALSO DO WE WANT TO DO FEASIBILITY AND THEN NOT DO ANYTHING FOR A COUPLE YEARS? WELL, AND IF WE GO INFEASIBLE STUDY WOULDN'T BE ANY GOOD AFTER YEAH. A COUPLE OF YEARS. RIGHT? SO IF WE GO INTO, IF WE GO INTO FEASIBILITY, LET'S SAY 50,000, LET'S SAY QUARTER START OF QUARTER 3, 20, 24, WE DO THE FEASIBILITY AND THEN WE ACTUALLY GO TO DESIGN AND ENGINEERING ONE YEAR LATER. WE'RE STILL NOT COMPLETING DESIGN AND ENGINEERING UNTIL 26 BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE 1227, IT'S GONNA BE 12 TO 18 MONTHS. SO RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE 12 SEVEN AT A COST OF WHAT, TWO MILL OR, BUT THAT'S JUST THE DESIGN PART. AND SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD IN A WHOLE NOTHER, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. WHICH YEAR THEN DO YOU PLAN CONSTRUCTION TO BE AND YOUR, AND YOUR ANTICIPATION THERE, WHAT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2030, WHICH, WHICH YEAR? I'M, I'M PICTURING CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN 28. YEAH. GONNA TAKE TWO YEARS. OKAY. AFTER A 24 LATE FEASIBILITY STUDY, I'LL BE, YEAH, YEAH. THEN WE MOVE INTO DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. HAVE YOU BEEN TO THIS AREA VERY LONG THAT NO. I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE REALLY DOING A STUDY FOUR YEARS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT IT, IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE OUTDATED. WELL, CUZ IF YOU'RE WANTING TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 28 THANK YOU. IN 2028, THEN YOU'RE WANTING TO DO THE FE FEASIBILITY IN 2026, THEN THAT GIVES YOU 18 MONTHS TO GET TO 2020. I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING. THAT'S THE 18 MONTHS THAT HE'S ASKING FOR. NO, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS WHAT DO WE NEED AND WHAT ARE WE PUTTING IN THERE? ARE WE PUTTING A POOL IN? ARE WE PUTTING PICKLE COURSE? A FEASIBILITY STUDY IS GONNA TAKE ANYWHERE FROM FAST TRACK SIX TO 10 MONTHS. RIGHT. SO THAT'S GONNA BE A, JUST, JUST SAY A YEAR. RIGHT. AND THEN LET'S SAY WE SAY, OKAY, WE LIKE THIS, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR MONTHS OF JUST FILTERING THROUGH AND GETTING EVERYTHING APPROVED. SO NOW YOU'RE ALMOST A YEAR AND WE'RE 18 MONTHS. 18 MONTHS. MM-HMM. . AND SO NOW YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR DESIGN AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER 18 MONTHS. YOU'RE TALKING THREE YEARS OUT BEFORE YOU EVEN START TO BREAK GROUND, SO TO SPEAK. EXACTLY. I MEAN, KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEBODY FAST TRACKS IT AND RIGHT. AND WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WE KIND OF KNOW ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'RE DOING, WE START CONSTRUCTION AND 27, WE START THIS IN 24, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT SHOVEL READY UNTIL LATE 27. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO END UP BEING THE REC CENTER TWOS ON THE SQUARE FOOT. SO LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE GOING COST RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY AROUND $400 A SQUARE FOOT. UM, SO IF YOU FIGURE, YOU KNOW, A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IS GONNA BE OKAY IN ORDER TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL IN IT AND MAKE IT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE, WHICH MEANS 500 WHEN WE SPILLED IT, CONFERENCE ROOMS OFFICE FOR, UH, SENIOR. SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 75 TO 80,000 SQUARE FOOT. SO YOU TALKING ABOUT $30 MILLION. 30 TO 45, $50 MILLION. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. TODAY'S NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING AND IF YOU'RE PROJECTING NO, I UNDERSTAND. FOUR YEARS. I MEAN IT MAY BE IT'S $600 SQUARE FOOT. FOOT FOOT. 90 MILLION BY THEN. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS MULTI-YEAR. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ME PUTTING IN FOR 2028, 40 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION 40? I DON'T, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. OVER WHAT IT'S IN THERE NOW. AGREED. RIGHT. BECAUSE A 40 MILLION IS, IS A MORE REALISTIC JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL IS LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD AND GOING, WOW. RIGHT. THAT'S HUGE. IF YOU POPULATE THE OTHER MM-HMM. MM-HMM. MONETARY VALUES FOR EACH OF THOSE FISCAL YEARS AS WELL. YEP. EXACTLY. WELL, AND AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, LET'S SAY GEORGETOWN, THEIR REC CENTER RIGHT NOW IS 65,000 SQUARE FEET. AND SO IF WE'RE LOOKING, YOU SAID 400 A SQUARE FOOT. OKAY, SO WELL, I'M MORE, WHAT WERE YOU, WHAT WERE WE ESTIMATING IT WAS GONNA BE 70 TO 80? SO I MEAN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG YOU WANT IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO REALISTICALLY THINK ABOUT, CUZ IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A 70 TO 80 GEORGETOWN'S AT 75,000 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, UM, BASED OFF OF [02:55:01] ALL THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA BE OVER 50. YEP. YEP. WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE AT 75 NOT MUCH LONGER AFTER THAT. AND THEN BY THE TIME THIS GETS BUILT, WE'RE GONNA OUT HAVE OUTGROWN IT. AND SO I, I HAVE A HARD TIME WANTING TO DO THE FE AND I KNOW THAT THE FEASIBILITY NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REALISTIC ON THE SIZE WE REALLY NEED IT TO BE AND WE'RE BUILDING FOR WHAT WE THINK IT COULD BE. AND THEN IN FIVE YEARS WE'RE SITTING HERE BUILDING A 80 MILLION BUILDING AND IT'S ALREADY TOO SMALL. WELL, I THINK, AND I'LL CHIME IN AND SAY, WHEN I WAS PUSHING BACK ON THE FEASIBILITY TIMELINE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE COST PIECE BECAUSE YEAH. WHEN THEY DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY DOING THIS, YOU'RE NOT USING JUST PROJECTION NUMBERS OF LIKE THE CITY AT CURRENT LIKE PROJECTION? NO, THEY'RE FORECAST. YOU'RE GONNA ADD, YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA ADD MUCH MORE TO THE FORECASTING. YOU'RE GONNA ADD THE, NOT JUST THE, THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ADD THE ETJ AS THEY START GETTING ADDED IN. SO I THINK THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL ACCOUNT FOR WHAT THE ESTIMATED GROWTH PLUS WHAT THE REALITY BIGGER GROWTH IS GOING TO BE. YEAH. WE CAN MAKE, I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COST WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE, THE, IT COULD BE LIKE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE'RE PLANNING TO BUILD GROUND READY IN FIVE YEARS. WE WANT A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST FIVE YEAR GROWTH AND WANT TO ACCOMMODATE 10 YEAR GROWTH AND ONE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE 15 YEAR GROWTH. BECAUSE REALLY, AND SO THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF PRESENT THOSE IDEALLY SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN MY VIEW, SAY LET'S BUILD SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE HU BY IN 2040 NUMBERS OR SOMETHING. MM-HMM. . WELL, AND I, I GUESS I'M GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT, LIKE Y'ALL SAID, MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN WE BUILT THIS, IT'S A GORGEOUS BUILDING, BUT BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY MOVED INTO IT, WE'RE TOO SMALL. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY, MY STRESS FACTOR IS ON THAT IS IF WE ARE TRYING TO PUSH IT OUT TO SPACE IT OUT TOO FAR, HOW REALISTIC IS IT GONNA BE? BECAUSE I MEAN, THE MARKET THIS LAST YEAR HAS KIND OF SLOWED DOWN JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE, ALL THE INTEREST RATES AND STUFF. BUT NEXT YEAR WE MIGHT GO BACK DOWN TO A TWO OR A THREE AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE SHOOTING I BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF STUDIES THAT ARE SHOWING THAT IT'S GONNA DROP. SO, SO THOUGH NO, IT'S NOT, UM, BASED OFF OF FINANCIAL PROFESSIONALS BACK ON C P. SO WHAT YOU SAY WAS, I THINK THE FEASIBILITY STUDY YEAH. THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT NOW. EVEN IF COUNSEL DECIDES TO PUSH THAT TO THE RIGHT ONE YEAR, AT LEAST THE NUMBERS ARE ON THERE AND THEY CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A BIG THING ON THE HORIZON THAT THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, START PLANNING FOR, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS. SO CAN I MENTION TWO THINGS? ONE IS FURTHER DOWN ON 26 2 2 0 26 P ONE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THAT IS IN 26. THAT WILL ALSO HELP US WITH PLANNING THIS OUT, LONG-TERM PLANNING OUR PARK. YEP. UH, NEW BROWNSVILLE'S BUILT DOS REC IS THE REC CENTER IN 2020 ISH, 77,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT'S, THEY'RE A MUCH LARGER CITY THAN WE ARE. THEY WERE A LARGER CITY WHEN THAN WHEN THEY BUILT IT AT OUR TIME. BUT THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD STARTING POINT AND THEY'VE KIND OF OUTGROWN THAT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT LONG-TERM PLANS AS WELL. YEAH, I MEAN LOOK, LOOK AT LIKE CLAY MADSON AND WAY TOO SMALL FOR US. YEAH. IT'S WHAT, 40,000 SQUARE FEET, 35. IT'S JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH. SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD ONE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION WE COULD LOOK AT IS WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ONE BIG ONE. MAYBE WE COULD BUILD THREE, FOUR SMALL ONES. AND TO BRIAN'S POINT, YOU CAN HAVE COMMUNITY CENTER IS ONE AND MORE OF A REC CENTER IS ANOTHER ONE. AND TO ME THAT IS, THAT'S AN OPTION TOO, WHAT FEASIBILITY WOULD ENCOMPASS AND PUT IT IN EACH OF THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTERS. RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS BY THE TIME, YEAH, BRIAN HAS A BRAND NEW EVENT CENTER CALLED THE LEGENDS EVENT CENTER. I WAS JUST THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND THAT PLACE IS MAGNIFICENT. I MEAN, IT WOULD, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW BIG IT IS. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PULL IT UP TO SEE IF I COULD SEE WHAT THE SQUARE FEET IS. WHICH ONE, UH, LEGENDS, UH, IN BRIAN LEGENDS EVENT CENTER IN BRIAN, TEXAS. WE'LL LOOK IT UP. YEAH. OH MY GOSH. IT IS FABULOUS. BRIAN'S, BRIAN'S FIVE TIMES AS BIG AS THAT'S TRUE. BUT GUYS, JUST, LET'S REMEMBER, WE'RE ONLY THROUGH THE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW AND WE'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR TWO HOURS. I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO EXACTLY. TRYING TO MOVE US OUT OF FACILITIES NOW. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY, LET'S MOVE. ALL RIGHT. NEED TO, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO PARKS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, [03:00:01] THE PR P DS ARE ALL ADD-ONS. THOSE ARE ALL NEW SINCE THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED THIS. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBERS. SO THEY'RE 24. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN. SO, UH, P OH SIX THROUGH P 13, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT P A R D 2306 TRAIL EXPANSION FROM CROSS CREEK TO CREEK CREEK. THOSE ARE ALL NEW. SO THOSE ARE, UM, THOSE ARE SUBMITTED IN, IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET PROCESS, BUT THOSE ARE MORE LIKE ONETIME EXPENSES FOR, FOR PARKS AND REC. AND SO THEY MAY OR MAY NOT, I DON'T VIEW A LOT OF 'EM AS A CIP LONG TERM THING, BUT THEY WERE ADDED ON THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY WERE IN THAT CAPITAL OKAY. BUDGET PROCESS. SO THE QUESTION I HAVE REGARDING THOSE IS I SEE A P A R D 2301 TO OH EIGHT OR WHATEVER. ARE THOSE CURRENTLY BUDGETED FOR 23? FOR FY 23? RIGHT. NO. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THE, THE COLUMN ALL, ALL OF THESE PRICES WOULD BE IN THE 2024 COLUMN THEN. YES. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS ON THE SAME SHEET AS YOU ARE. YEAH. SO IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WE HAD, UM, ROUGHLY 300 AND I THINK $337,000 IN KINDA THESE ONE TIME EXPENSES THAT ARE, ARE NOT BOND WORTHY. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE NEED, STILL NEED TO GET DONE. AND SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FROM 20 TO $80,000 AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THOSE RANK NOTES COMPILE. YEAH, I SEE. I SEE. THE ZAP STAND AT 22,500 AS THE LOWEST. AND THE TRAIL EXTENSION AT ADAM ORAIN AT 75,000 IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE OUT OF THOSE PAR PROJECTS. WHAT IS THE ZAP STAND? I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. SO ZAP STAND IS A STANDALONE, A EED MACHINE THAT HAS AN AD BUILT IN. IT HAS RECORDINGS, SO IT HAS A MINI FEATURES, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT AT, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT PUTTING OUT AT, UH, OUR BASEBALL FIELDS IN CASE THERE IS A CARDIAC EMERGENCY OUT THERE. I FOR THAT. OH, WAY. YEAH, IT'S THE, IT'S GOT LIKE A LITTLE BUT CALL BUTTON ON THERE. SO I'M, YOU DIALS INTO 9 1 1. IT'S GOT EMERGENCY. GOTCHA. YEP. SO IT'S A, IT'S BASICALLY AN A, E D TO THE N DEGREE, SO TO SPEAK. YEP. AND IS THAT FOR HOW, LIKE FOR HOW MANY? THAT'S FOR ONE AND THAT INITIAL, IT'S 22 THOUSANDS KIND. THE INITIAL COST TO, FOR THE MACHINE, THE PAD, IT GOES ON AND THERE'S LIKE AN ANNUAL RENEWAL OF LIKE $1,500 FOR THE YEAR FOR, AND THAT'S MONITORED 24 7, 365 DAYS. IT'S MEDICAL, IT'S EXPENSIVE. EXACTLY. AGREED. BUT DID WE GET BIDS FOR THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT? ONE, THIS IS A STANDALONE. THEY HAVE THE PATENT ON, IT'S KINDA THE ONLY COMPANY OUT THERE THAT DOES IT THIS STATIONARY OR ROME. IT'S A PERMANENT, PERMANENT FIXTURE. AND WHERE, WHERE'S YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHERE THIS THING WILL BE LOCATED? SO IDEALLY IT'D BE TESTED AT ME FIELDS. SO THERE'S THREE FIELDS THERE ON, WE TYPICALLY, ON ANY GIVEN GAME DAY, THERE'S PROBABLY A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THAT PARK, YOU KNOW, TURNOVER. AND SO, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE AN, I ALREADY HAVE ADEQUATE, LIKE I DON'T THINK THERE STAFF WHO ARE AT EVENTS WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE. NO, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE OUR BASEBALL GROUP IS. AND SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE STAFF THERE THAT HAVE TRAINED IN CPR, BUT IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE AN A E D THERE. SO THIS IS A DEFIBRILLATOR TYPE OF DEVICE? YES. THERE'S MORE. SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S MON, BUT WHAT DOES A MONITORING DO? UH, SO THE MONITORING IS, UM, IF IT'S BEEN ACTIVATED, THEY IMMEDIATELY CAN CALL FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. OKAY. G THE A D HAS A, HAS A, UM, EMAIL GPS IN IT. IT'S CONNECT TO WILCO. AND WE KNOW THAT WILCO CAN ACCEPT THE ZAPS STAND NOTIFICATION. IT'S SAYS NOTIFICATIONS. YES. LIKE WE'VE TESTED THIS END TO END TO CONFIRM WE HAVEN'T TESTED, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN CONFIRMATION THAT THEY CAN, CAN ACCEPT, THEY CAN SUPPORT IT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND YOU HAVE TO GET TO THAT MACHINE. YEAH. IT'S A STANDALONE MACHINE, SO IT WOULD BE, THAT'S HARD. YEAH. IF YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A EPISODE, GET TO THAT MACHINE OR SOMEBODY KNOWING WHERE TO FIND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S, I LOVE THE IDEA. I ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE IDEA, BUT I'M SITTING HERE GOING, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY NEEDING THIS AND I, I CAN'T CARRY THEM TO THAT MACHINE. AND THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT. NO, IT'S A, IT'S AN A, IT'S NOT, THE MACHINE IS NOT THE MACHINE HAS AN A D IN IT. YEAH. AND SO YOU GO AND GRAB THE, WHEN YOU OH, OKAY. SO CAN, WHEN YOU GRAB IT, THEN IT ACTIVATES ALL THAT. YEAH, I LIKE THAT A LOT BETTER IF IT'S AT A PARK. RIGHT. IS WHERE THIS WOULD BE LOCATED, KIND OF SORTA OF MM-HMM. , HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CONFIRM THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE VANDALIZED OR KIDS ARE MAKING IT TO, IT HAS CAMERAS IN IT. THAT'S PART [03:05:01] OF THE MONITORING. SO HAS SECURITY CAMERAS ON IT AND IT SAYS WHEN YOU GET UP TO IT, IT'S LIKE WARNING YOU'RE BEING RECORDED. YOU KNOW, SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'LL STOP THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, AD DOES HAVE A, A GPS BUILT INTO IT AND SU AS THEY GETS ACTIVATED, IT GETS IMMEDIATELY TRACKED AND UM, TO, IF IT GETS STOLEN OR WHEREVER, THEY'LL REPLACE A NEW AED SEND OUT, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH WILL CODE DISPATCH. THERE'S NO LOCAL, WELL, IT CAN GO THROUGH WHATEVER YEAH. GO THROUGH NOW UNTIL THE POLICE STATION'S BUILT. YEAH. WORKING ON . OKAY. AND LIKE I SAID, IT IT IS, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE FELT THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT IT IS, IT DOESN'T RANK AS THE NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE HAD. THE NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT THING WE HAD IN THIS CATEGORY WAS THE SECURITY CAMERAS. BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING OUR PARKS, UH, GET VANDALIZED, UM, GET ABUSED THROUGH MED-LEGAL DUMPING THROUGH GRAFFITI. AND SO SOME OF THOSE HIGHER TRAFFIC AREAS THAT WE HAD CONSTANT PROBLEMS WAS THE SECURITY CAMERAS. MM-HMM. , THAT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE WAS THE, UH, UTILITY VEHICLE WITH THE BOOM LIFT. AND THEN I THINK NUMBER THREE WAS THE DOCK AT, UH, REPLACING THE DOCK AT HUDDLE LAKE PARK. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE TOP THREE THAT WE HAD. YEAH. THAT, THAT THING'S DANGEROUS. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT. AND THOSE ARE MORE BUDGET REQUESTS THAN, WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SCORING ON THESE ITEMS CUZ THEY WERE ADD-ONS. SO I'M YEAH, I WANTED YOUR INPUT AS TO LIKE WHAT ONES YOU YEAH, IT'S KIND OF WHERE MATT PROBABLY DEFINITELY GOT 'EM FROM. I'M SURE IS, WELL I HOPE HE GOT 'EM FROM THERE. IS IS IN THE CLEAR GOV, THERE'S DIFFERENT PORTALS AND I HAD ONE THAT'S CALLED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND SO WE HAD CIP IN THERE, BUT WE ALSO HAD JUST THESE ONE OFF TYPE THING, SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO MY QUESTION ABOUT THE VEHICLE WITH THE BOOM LIFT, WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S BEING PUT INTO THE BUDGET. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRAILER FOR PUBLIC WORKS BEING PUT INTO THE BUDGET AND THE BOOM LIFT STAYING OUT ON THIS? AND, AND I'M JUST, I'M SORRY, I'M BEING NAIVE WITH THAT QUESTION. SURE. SO YOU'RE ASKING MORE ABOUT WHAT THE WHY IS ONE CONSIDERED BUDGET AND ONE'S CONSIDERED C I P. THAT'S, I DON'T CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS. C I P, THOSE ARE MORE BUDGET REQUESTS, BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY WERE YEAH. PUT IN THROUGH THE CAPITAL BUDGET. OH, SHOULD WE TAKE IT OUT? SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS I WAS GONNA GO. YEAH. I'M SORRY. NOPE. NO, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY IT. VALID. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE SECURITY CAMERAS ARE NOT, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR SCREEN FROM P OH SIX TO P 13 ARE ONE-OFF BUDGET REQUEST ITEMS THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID ARE NOT REALLY QUALIFIED FOR BOND DOLLARS AND WE NEED TO GET THAT NEEDS ATTENTION TO IT. YEAH. VERSUS THIS TOO. YEAH. THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. I'M SO, REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID LOOKING AT YOUR SCREEN. NO, NO, NO. I KNOW WHICH ONES YOU SAID. SO STATE THAT AGAIN. SO THAT LIST, THAT LIST OF EIGHT, NINE ITEMS. OKAY. THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY BUDGETED, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THEY WERE SUBMITTED IN THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR WHICH YEAR? THIS FY 24. SO THEY'RE SUBMITTED IN THE BUDGET. THE BUDGET OBVIOUSLY IS STILL WORKING FOR GETTING APPROVAL. YES. RIGHT. SO WHY ARE THEY IN THE CIP LIST? YEAH, SO LET ME TRY TO HELP CLARIFY. SO AS I, AS I STARTED OUT AND I SAID THAT THE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW PROCESSES, CLEAR GOV IS NEW TO ALL OF US. MM-HMM. , A LOT OF THE DIRECTORS ARE, ARE NEW. WE'VE, SOME OF THEM HAVE NEVER DONE A CIP AND THOSE THAT HAVE DONE A CIP WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HU'S REQUIREMENTS WERE. AND ACTUALLY MOST PEOPLE IN HUTTO WEREN'T REQUIRED, WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HU'S REQUIREMENTS WERE. AND SO THERE WAS, THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS SO IN, IN THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, SO LIKE IN MY CASE, ENGINEERING BUDGET OR JEFF'S CASE, THE PARKS BUDGET OR ASHLEY'S CASE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THERE IS A CAPITAL ITEM FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. RIGHT. THERE WAS NOT CLEAR DIRECTION GIVEN HOW TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. MM MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND SO, OR, OR A, AN ASSET THAT FALLS UNDER A CAPITAL PROCUREMENT SYSTEM RIGHT. AS OPPOSED TO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. RIGHT. AND SO, UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, OF CONVERSATION, AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS PUT VEHICLE REQUESTS INTO THE C I P. AND SO I WAS ABLE TO GET FINANCED TO PULL THOSE BACK OUT OF THE C I P AND PUT THEM INTO THEIR DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS. THESE ARE NOT AS QUITE AS CLEAR CUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LEASED VEHICLES. THESE ARE MORE LIKE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO, UM, I THINK WHAT JEFF IS GETTING AT IS THAT IT IS ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW [03:10:01] TO SAY, WE RECOMMEND THAT THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SHORT-TERM PAYMENTS OR ONE-TIME PURCHASES OR SHORT LIFESPAN PROJECTS OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOUR JUSTIFICATION IS, WOULD, SHOULD BE PART OF THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE WITHIN THE, WITHIN HIS DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO I I DON'T NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECTLY AND THAT'S WHY WE CHA THAT'S WHY WE LABELED 'EM, BUT, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THESE. SO, UM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS PART ON TWO OF THEM, BUT ON THIS ONE IT CHANGED AND IT COMPLETELY CHANGED. I TRIED TO TRIED, I CHANGED THEM TO TRY TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE WERE WITH THE NAMING NOMENCLATURE. OKAY. SO YEAH, MY, MY NOMENCLATURE, UH, IS OFF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATCH THE, THE CURRENT, UH, ONSCREEN SPREADSHEET. BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S THE PARD PROJECTS AND SO ON. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN, SO IT'S P 20, P ZERO SIX THROUGH P 13. OH, I SEE. OKAY. ON THE OLD SPREADSHEET THAT CAME OUT ON FRIDAY, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE PARED 2301 THROUGH 23 SOMETHING. YEP. OKAY. SO, UH, TRAIL EXPANSION FROM CROSS CREEK TO CREEKSIDE TO ME SOUNDS LIKE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. THAT'S NOT A ONGOING EXPENSE. TO ME. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST. I, I, YEAH. I THINK HONESTLY MOST OF THE, OH, NO, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. SOME OF 'EM ARE SMALLER. YEAH. SO SOME OF THEM ARE DEFINITELY, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. UH, OKAY. NEXT IS THE TRAIL EXTENSION AT ADAM ORGA PARK. I THINK THAT IS ALSO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. ANY DISAGREEMENT? NOPE. OKAY. UH, HUDDLE LAKE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT, IS THAT A MAINTENANCE OR IS THAT A ONE DONE? THAT'S A BRAND NEW DOCK WITH A BRAND NEW DOCK. YEAH. WITH A CANOE LAUNCH AND NEW SAFETY RAILING AND EVERYTHING. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. MM-HMM. ? YEP. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. REPLACE FENCING AT FRITZ PARK. GIVEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A FRITZ PARK RENOVATION. I SAY WE DROP THIS, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR NOT. AGREE. I AGREE. AGREE. YEAH. WE'VE GOT 11 MILLION DOWN HERE FOR THE, UNLESS WE'RE DOING, UNLESS WE'RE DOING FRITZ PARK, IF WE CAN'T FIT A FENCE IN THERE. YEAH. OKAY. UNLESS I SAY, WELL, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE THE FRITZ PARK. I, I UNDERSTAND WAS EXPEDITED. AND SO IT IS A, ALL I WOULD SAY IS, UNLESS THERE'S AN URGENT SAFETY ISSUE WITH SOMEBODY I AGREE. GETTING EXACTLY. IS THERE YEAH. THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, BUT IT'S NOT A OH, TENNIS COURTS. I DID, DID NOT READ IT. COURT, NEVERMIND. I DON'T CARE. YEAH, . OKAY. WE CAN DROP IT. ALRIGHT, SO HANG ON. BEFORE, BEFORE YOU DISMISS FOR SAFETY, BEFORE YOU DISMISS THE TENNIS COURTS, SO WE HAVE LIGHTS ON THOSE AND WE CAN TRACK WHEN THEY'RE GETTING USED. AND SO FOR THE MONTH OF, FROM JUNE 1ST TO JUNE 28TH, I'M SORRY, ONLY THREE NIGHTS DURING THAT PERIOD WERE THE TENNIS COURT NOT USED. SO IT'S A HIGHLY, HIGHLY USED ASSET THAT WE HAVE EITHER RANKED HIGHER, THEY GOT MORE USE THAN ALL OF OUR BASKETBALL COURTS. NO, I'M SORRY. I WAS TOO. WHAT SAID'S 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. NORMALLY I'M IN BED AND EVERY A HALF AGO. SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO STAY, YOU'RE SAYING I JUST, I HAVE THREE YOUNG KIDS. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO STATE IS BASED ON WHAT HE'S SAYING. YES. DEFINITELY NOT A C I P ITEM UNLESS IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. RIGHT. THEN WE NEED TO KEEP IT YES. IN THERE. OTHERWISE IT JUST NEEDS TO GO BACK TO BUDGET. YES. YEP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. I'M SORRY. I OKAY. SECURITY CAMERA SECURITY CAMERAS AT MULTIPLE PARKS. TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BUDGET, BUT IT YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA LAST, LAST THAT LONG. YEAH. OKAY. TECHNOLOGY'S NOT GONNA LAST. SO EVERYONE OKAY WITH DROPPING THAT ONE AS WELL? YES. THE SECURITY CAMERAS. YEAH, THE ZAP STAND. THE A E D I I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF THIS. I DO TOO. THINK IT'S, I REALLY WANT TO GET ON BOARD WITH THIS BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN WE'RE GONNA EXPAND. I'VE HAD TO DO THIS BEFORE AND TO, TO, AND WITH IT BEING AT MEAGER, IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. IF SOMEBODY WAS AT FRITZ, THEY COULD MAKE IT OVER THERE AND GET SOMETHING TO, TO HELP IN THE INTERIM WAITING FOR. BUT, HM. WHO FOUND THIS ITEM? BECAUSE I'M WONDERING WAS BILL ZETO CONSULTED ON THIS? OH YES, OF COURSE HE WAS. SO IT WAS THE POLICE CHIEF POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ASKED ABOUT IT AND GET THEIR OPINION ON IT, SO, WELL, I'M SURE THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT THING, BUT, BUT DID THEY KNOW OF OTHER LIKE TYPES OF, I WORRY ABOUT THE VANDALISM OF THIS THING. I WORRY BECAUSE THESE THINGS, YES, THEY SAVE LIVES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO DANGEROUS IN THE WRONG HANDS. RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LIABILITY FACTOR THAT THIS HAS POTENTIALLY AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE. SO THEY'RE CONCEPTUALLY IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WHAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE? [03:15:01] I DON'T KNOW. WAITING FOR WELL, SERVICE. WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD OTHER LIKE DEFIBRILLATOR TYPE OF DEVICE WHERE YEAH. I MEAN WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE, DON'T KNOW, BUT HAVE DEFIBRILLATORS INSIDE. BUT IF THE, THE DEAL WOULD HAVE AN OUTSIDE, IF, IF THE SION STAND'S LOCKED AND NOBODY HAS ACCESS TO IT AND SOMEBODY NEEDS IT VERSUS BEING OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC, LIKE, SO LIKE JERICA SAID, SOMEBODY AT FRITZ PARK KNEW IT WAS OVER, THEY COULD RUN OVER THERE AND GET IT. HOLD ON. VERSUS IF IT'S A CO SUCH, IT'S LOCKED. IF WE HAVE IT OUTSIDE, THEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY, SO MAY GET STOLEN OR NOT. MY THINKING ON THIS IS MUCH LIKE THE FENCE. IF WE'RE REFURBING FRITZ, WHY NOT INCLUDE A COUPLE OF THESE AT FRITZ AND YOU COULD RUN FROM THE BALL FIELDS AT MEGER TO THIS, TO THE BRIDGE AT FRITZ. YEAH. AND GET THE A E D. MM-HMM. AND THIS ONE IS, THEY DO HAVE ONE WHERE WE SAW IT WAS AT, UH, FRISCO PARKS AND REC HAS ONE AT THE, ONE OF THEIR ATHLETIC COMPLEXES. AND I THINK THEY'VE HAD TO USE IT LIKE ONE OR TWO TIMES DURING THAT TIME IT WAS THERE. SO, AND HOW DO THEY KEEP PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING IT FROM TOUCHING IT? LIKE I SAID, IT DOES HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS AND IT DOES RECORD. AND THAT'S PART OF THE MONITORING THAT YOU'RE, AND WHO'S MONITORING THE SECURITY CAMERAS WHEN YOU GET THIS? ASSUMING YOU DO, IT'S A COMPANY THAT YOU, YOU'RE PAYING THAT SERVICE TO, YOU'RE PAYING A SERVICE FEE AND THAT SERVICE FEE IS INCLUDED IN THIS 22 K. AND WHAT'S THE ONGOING EXPENSE FOR THAT? IT'S THE $1,500 ANNUAL EXPENSE, I THINK IS WHAT, 1500 AND THAT, THAT ONGOING IS WHY I'M KIND OF LEANING AWAY FROM IT BEING THE CIP. AGREED. YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE CIP. I CAN SEND YOU MORE, I CAN SEND ASHLEY MORE INFORMATION. SHE CAN SEND IT OUT TO YOU. IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT, AND IS THIS GONNA BE EXPANDED IN, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS, THIS IS ONE DEVICE, ONE LOCATION, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS LIKE AN INITIAL, UH, YOU CALL A, A PILOT RUN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . IT, IT COULD BE. IT, IT COULD BE. I MEAN, TO ME, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS, WELL, IT COULD BE. WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROS AND CONS OF IT ARE. I MEAN, HOW OFTEN IS IT, IS IT, IF THE, THE THING, IF THE, IF THE AD IS STOLEN, WHAT THE RESPONSE TIME TO GETTING A NEW A EED BECAUSE THAT THEN IT BECOMES JUST A, A BIG MONUMENT. THERE'S NO AED IN IT. IF WILCO HAS TROUBLES WITH THE CONNECTIVITY OR THERE'S LOTS OF FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF, RIGHT BEFORE WE GO ALL IN AND SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR $200,000 A ON, PUT 'EM EVERY PARK, YOU KNOW. BUT THERE IS SOME PLAN TO EXPAND THIS POTENTIALLY IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL AS WE, AS WE THINK IT WOULD BE. WOULD THAT BE A CIP OR NO, AND ALSO WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING LIKE IF THERE IS VANDALISM, I'M SORRY, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE SEE POSTS ON FACEBOOK WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, DO YOU KNOW THIS PERSON? ARE WE GONNA GET INFORMATION OR ARE WE JUST GONNA LOSE THAT MONEY EVERY TIME THAT IT GETS VANDALIZED BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S WEARING A MASK? OR, OR, AND I, I, I'M LOOK, TRYING TO LOOK FOR REVIEWS FOR MORE INTO THIS TO SEE WHAT CITIES ARE SAYING AND I'M JUST NOT FINDING ANYTHING. YEAH. IT'S A FAIRLY NEW PRODUCT. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE FRISCO IS YEAH, BUT THE AN A E D I MEAN, THOSE HAVE BEEN AROUND AT POOLS. YEAH. BEEN OUR HOA. YEAH. I'VE USED THEM. SO, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING LIKE SHE'S SAYING WITH VANDALISM MM-HMM. , YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE, AT A POOL, YOU HAVE SOMEONE MONITORING THE POOL THAT'S ALSO MONITORING THE EQUIPMENT. AT LOWE'S, WE HAD AN EIGHT, I HAD TO USE IT A COUPLE TIMES AT LOWE'S, BUT I WAS AN EMPLOYEE THERE THAT KNEW WHERE THE MACHINE WAS AND KNEW HOW TO USE IT. LIKE THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A STRUGGLE THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT. INTERNALLY IS WE, WE WE SEE THE VALUE OF IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE SEE THAT THE, IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE, IS IT WORTH, OH YES. YOU KNOW, BUT IS THERE, THERE'S SIDE EFFECTS OF IT. AND NO, KIND OF, TO ANSWER YOUR STATEMENT, JIM, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO ROLL THESE OUT TO ALL OF THE PARKS, TO ME THAT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. CORRECT. A TEST PROGRAM IS A BUDGET TEST. OKAY. MY OPINION. AND MAYBE COME NEXT YEAR WE COME BACK TO YOU AND GO, HEY, EXACTLY. THIS HAS BEEN A BIG SUCCESS. IT'S DONE THIS AND WE WANT TO ROLL IT OUT HERE. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DROP 150,000, 200,000 AND PUT IT IN ALL THE PARKS. YEAH. THAT'S A CIP TO ME. AGREED. I JUST THINK CONSULTING WITH LIKE FRISCO OR WHOEVER HAS THIS CURRENTLY TO GET THE GOOD, BAD AND INDIFFERENT AND WHATEVER ELSE ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING. SURE. IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, I THINK WE HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I JUST, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT FRESH IN MY MIND, BUT I MORE THAN JUST ONE BRAND, I I, YEAH, THERE HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST ONE THAT'S YEAH. HOPEFULLY. YEAH. NETWORK, LIKE OUR, OUR LITTLE HAM THINGS THAT THEY CAME OUT WITH LAST YEAR, THE LITTLE EMERGENCY HAM RADIO SUBSTATIONS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE THAT MAKES THEM. SO ARE WE SAYING FOR NOW WE'RE GONNA DROP THIS ON C I P I THINK WE SHOULD DROP THE ZAP STAND FROM THE CIP MM-HMM. . I AGREE. AND IT'D BE MORE ON THE BUDGET SIDE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRST ONE. AND IF WE DO DECIDE IF Y'ALL DO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN THE BUDGET AND THEN IT IS A GREAT PROGRAM. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT SAVES ONE LIFE, IT'S 110% WORTH IT. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, NEXT I SEE TRAIL [03:20:01] MASTER PLAN. SO WE'VE NEVER HAD A DEDICATED TRAILS MASTER PLAN TO MY KNOWLEDGE. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE, HAS THEY BECOME MORE AND MORE VALUABLE? THIS IS, I THINK THAT'S, THAT BELONGS ON THE C I P JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PLANNING REMINDER. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THESE MASTER PLANS SCHEDULED IN HERE, THEY GET FORGOTTEN ABOUT. YEP. WELL, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THERE'S THAT, THAT TRAIL THAT LEADS TO NOWHERE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE MM-HMM. OVER BY MY HOUSE. WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. AND THERE'S THE LIBRARY MASTER PLAN FROM 2010. RIGHT. NO, I DEFINITELY AGREE. I I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS ON THERE. OKAY. NEXT. OKAY, LET'S DO IT. MOVE ON. AND THEN A UTILITY VEHICLE WITH BOOM LIFT DROP. I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE KEEPING THE EXPENDITURE BUT NOT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. AGREED. DROP IT. OKAY. SO WE, WE'LL DROP THAT ONE TOO. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO, WELL, LET'S DO 2024 PO ONE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS. OH, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. AT THE BOTTOM. YEAH. OKAY. 11 MILLION. YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I, IF THE PLAN THAT WAS I SAW IT'S GONNA BE GORGEOUS. IT'LL BE NICE. YEAH. THEY'RE BUILDING A WHOLE NEW YEAH. COUNCIL DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION DOCKS AND DESIGN BIDS FOR THAT. UM, AND SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT. YEP. ON THIS ONE, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, COUNSEL KIND OF FORCED YOUR HAND AND THEY'VE ALREADY SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. WHY IS THIS EVEN HERE? SO THEY ALREADY SAID YES BECAUSE THIS WAS SUBMITTED. GOT IT. THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU GUYS BEFORE AND THEY MADE THAT DECISION THURSDAY NIGHT. GOT IT. SO THAT HAS A STAFF SCORE OF 10, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST PARKS PROJECT. YEAH. SO WE CAN MOVE ON PAST THIS ONE. YES. MOVE ON. THE NEXT ONE. THAT DECISION'S BEEN MADE FOR US, I THINK. YES. FIELD LIGHTING. OKAY. UH, NEXT IS, UH, FIELD LIGHTING. AND THAT'S, SO THIS IS TO YEAH, THIS IS, THAT'S FOR MEAGER. THIS IS FOR MEAGER. AND SO WE HAVE THREE FIELDS THERE. UH, TWO OF 'EM HAVE, UM, THE OLD HOLO BULBS, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT LIGHT AND IT TAKES FOREVER. SO WHEN THEY GOT SHUT OFF, UH, DUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER A BREAKER BREAKS OR WHATEVER, THE GAMES HAVE TO GET DELAYED OR SOMETIMES YOU POSTPONE. UH, WE OFTEN HAVE TO HAVE CREWS COME OUT OR REPAIR 'EM AT THE END OF THE YEAR EVERY YEAR. SO WE'RE SPENDING TIME ON THAT. AND SO THIS IS TO UPGRADE THOSE TO NICE L E D ON, OFF, ON OFF IMMEDIATELY AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT, AS WELL AS, UH, REPOSITIONING THE LIGHTS. SO WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE ON THE FIELD. AND SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE KIND OF UP HERE, AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF GOING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BRIGHT, BUT NOW THEY'RE KIND OF GO ON THE, ON THE FIELD. SO IF YOU LOOKED ANY OUR BASKETBALL COURTS OR TENNIS LIGHTS, THOSE ARE HAVE SHIELDS ON 'EM, AND THEY'RE JUST RIGHT ONTO THE COURTS. YEP. AND SO THIS IS JUST TO IMPROVE THAT AND TO ADD, UM, LIGHTING TO OUR T-BALL FIELD THAT DOES NOT HAVE LIGHTING THERE SO THEY CAN USE THAT, UH, BEYOND, UM, SUNSET. OKAY. SO, AND THAT WE PAID OUT A PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FUND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. I, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I HAVE THAT RECORDED AS PARKS FUND. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S ALSO ONE OF THOSE EASY SLAM DUNK PROJECTS. THIS IS NOT A SIX MONTH PROJECT. THIS IS A SIX DAY PROJECT. . SO WHY WERE THE LIGHTS NOT DONE WHEN WE DID THE MAJOR, UM, RENOVATION? WELL, WE, BECAUSE , THAT WAS WHEN COVID HIT AND SO, UM RIGHT. WE'RE IN DOING THOSE PROJECTS AND IT WAS PLANNED TO DO THAT, BUT OKAY. THAT'S WHEN OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL. IT WAS. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT ONE I SEE IS TRAIL LIGHTING. YEAH. SO TRAILS ALWAYS RANKED HIGH COTTONWOOD TRAIL. YES. SO COTTONWOOD AND MEAGER TRAIL, UH, FROM BASICALLY FROM CARL STERN OR BASICALLY FROM MEAGER TO CARL STERN, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THERE. SO EVERY HUNDRED 80 TO A HUNDRED FEET HAVING A LIGHT SOLAR LIGHT THAT HAS SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU, UM, WALK UNDERNEATH IT AND BRIGHTENS UP? UM, MOTION ACTIV. MOTION SENSOR. YEAH. SO LIKE A CERTAIN TIME IT GOES DOWN TO LIKE YEP. 20 OR 30% WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE AFFECTING EVERYBODY. IF SOMEBODY WALKS UNDERNEATH IT, THEN IT GETS BRIGHTER. SO LIKE, UH, YOU COULD SEE SOMEBODY KIND OF WALKING ALONG THE TRAIL THROUGH THAT, THE SAFETY. YEAH. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. OH YEAH. I LIKE THAT. AND USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, EVERYBODY LIKE ALWAYS GETS REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH OUR SUMMER HEAT DAYS. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, IN JANUARY, DECEMBER WHEN IT'S STILL 70 DEGREES OUT, BUT IT GETS DUSK AT RIGHT. FIVE O'CLOCK, WE CAN'T USE THE TRAILS. RIGHT. CAUSE IT'S THE SAFETY ISSUE. YEAH. AND SO THIS WILL ALLOW THIS TO DO THAT AND PROVIDE, UH, ANYBODY'S BEEN AT HUDDLE LAKE PARK PAST DARK AND TRYING TO SEE PAST THE PAVILION. YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T SEE IT. NO. AND SO, WELL, YOU CAN'T EVEN BEFORE BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE TREE GROWTH. YEAH. SO WE'RE AT, IT'D BE SOME ADDING SOME LIGHTS AROUND THERE TOO. PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO WALK THERE. JUST FOR A LITTLE CONTEXT, THIS [03:25:01] HAD A, UH, STAFF SCORE OF EIGHT, THE SECOND HIGHEST PARK PROJECT. AND AGAIN, THIS IS PARKS FUND, PARKS IMPROVEMENT FUND AND EASY PROJECT. YEAH. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE EN ONGOING MAINTENANCE COST OF THIS AND THE FIELD LIGHTING IS? THE FIELD LIGHTING? THE NEW FIELD LIGHTING COMES WITH A 25 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE T-BALL FIELD. AND THE OTHER ONE, IT COMES WITH A 10 YEAR WARRANTY. THE COMPANY IS CALLED MUSCO. AND IF THEY PUT UP THE POLE, THEY'LL WARRANTY THE WHOLE THING FOR 25 YEARS. BUT WE ALREADY HAVE GOOD POLES AT MER AND SO THEY'LL NEED TO DO THAT. SO THEY'LL WARRANTY IT FOR 10 YEARS, EVEN THOUGH I'M TRYING TO OKAY. TWIST THEIR ARM A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, GIVE US ANOTHER 15 YEARS. OH, WARM. UH, FOR THE, UH, SO THERE'S BASICALLY NO, NONE ON THAT BECAUSE THEY COVER ALL THE PARTS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE LIFE OF THE, THE EQUIPMENT. AND ACTUALLY WE'LL END UP SAVING MONEY IN THE LONG TERM BECAUSE WE'RE SWITCHING TO L E D AND WE'LL END UP SAVING MONEY THAT'S ON ELECTRICAL BILLS FOR THAT. UH, THE TRAIL LIGHTING WILL BE SOLAR LIGHTS AND THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM AN EIGHT TO 10 YEAR LIFESPAN AND OKAY. GIVE OR TAKE HOW MUCH SUN IS ON 'EM, HOW MUCH THE SOLAR PANELS LAST, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, NEXT ONE IS VETERANS MEMORIAL. SOUNDS LIKE OUR HANDS ARE TIED ON THAT ONE SINCE COUNCIL ALREADY MADE A DECISION AS WELL. YEP. THE ONLY THING THAT THIS, THIS IS, LET YOU KNOW ON THIS ONE, THIS ONE WILL BE YOUR PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENT FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY. SO IT'S $125,000. IT'LL BE GOT PAID OUTTA THE PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FUND, BUT WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS GONNA REIMBURSE UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT. COOL. THAT'S AWESOME. AND THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO GO JUST RIGHT OUT HERE ADJACENT TO THE LIBRARY. OH, NOT AT ADAM ORGA? NO, RIGHT OUT HERE. OKAY. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, UH, THIS WAS NOT ONE THAT I HAD ON THIS ONE. UM, Y M C A IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS WAS CURRENTLY ON THIS YEAR'S C I P. YES. UH, IT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL TO, TO ADD THAT, UH, POOL EXPANSION ONTO THERE. AND SO, UH, WHEN PARKS BOARD DID RANK, UM, THESE ITEMS, UH, IT WAS RANKED NEAR THE BOTTOM, BUT, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS ON THE EXISTING CIP, WE DID WANNA ADD IT BACK IN THERE. UH, IT'S 2024 P OH FIVE. OH. IT'S NOT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT ON, AND SO IT'S LISTED AS YMCA A PRE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S AN OUTDOOR PORT NOT ON HERE. YEAH. THE OTHER THING THAT I'LL I'LL POINT OUT IS THIS ONE WAS JUST ADDED YESTERDAY, I THINK. OKAY. UM, IT WAS ON THE 2023 C I P. AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IN THIS, UH, PART OF THE REASON WHY IT WAS BROUGHT UP IS BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE FRITZ PARK CONVERSATION THURSDAY NIGHT, UH, THE IDEA OF A POOL WAS BROUGHT UP. YES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE Y M C A IMPROVEMENTS IS A POOL. AND I THINK THE THOUGHT IS TO PARTNER WITH THE Y M C A TO DO A COMMUNITY POOL TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD PUT A POOL ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT THE Y SITS ON MM-HMM. AND SEE IF WE COULD NOT HAVE IT BE FOR Y M C A MEMBERS ONLY. SO THAT WAY THE CITY PARTNERS WITH THE Y AND WEREN'T THEY ALSO DISCUSSING, UH, POSSIBLY HAVING Y PERSONNEL MAN THE POOL YES. AND MAIN MAINTAIN IT UNDER THE Y M C A LEASE AGREEMENT AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE CONVERSATION. AND SO THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT UP PUTTING THIS BACK ON FOR CONSIDERATION. I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA ASK A QUESTION. HOW MUCH OF THE LAND AROUND THE Y IS ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT'S CITY OWNED APPARENTLY. SO THE LAND IS PART OF THE Y IS REALLY JUST THE ACCESS ROAD AROUND IT AND THE PARKING LOT. CORRECT. THERE'S NO OTHER ADDITIONAL LAND. RIGHT. OKAY. CAUSE THAT ENTIRE PARCEL WITH THE PARKING LOT AND, AND THE, SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. SO BASED ON THIS GROWTH THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT WITH THE Y YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT ALL OF THIS STUFF IN THAT THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT LIKE EVEN PUTTING A POOL IN. MAYBE YOU COULD FIT IT IN A PORTION OF THIS, BUT THEY'RE GETTING INTO THE PARKING LOT AT THAT POINT. WELL, YEAH, IN THE BACK HERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT A POOL, BUT THEY'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING IT IN THE FUTURE WITH MORE CAPABILITY AND EVEN OTHER LIKE BREAKOUT, UH, BREAKOUT ROOMS, WORKOUT ROOMS AND STUFF. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA MAX OUT THAT SPACE MAJORLY. AND MY OTHER WORRY IS KIND OF, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THOSE UP EARLIER. I ALREADY HAVE WORRIES WITH THE WHY THAT WE DID THIS KIND OF PARTNERSHIP PIECE, BUT THERE'S STILL A COST. CORRECT. AND IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA DEPEND ON THE WHY TO PUT IN A POOL, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE NO COST. MM-HMM. , THERE'S A LOT OF FLAGS COMING UP [03:30:01] WITH THAT. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE SAYING NOW THAT THE Y PERSONNEL ARE GONNA MAN IT. AND, BUT YET THE Y HAS NO REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST, JUST A LITTLE WORRIED US SPENDING $7 MILLION TO THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY INTERPRETATION. TAKE IT, RE RECLASSIFY IT, RELABEL IT, MOVE IT AROUND. THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. SO, BUT WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE LAND AND SO WE DO THE BUILDING OF IT AND THEN THEY LEASE IT BACK FROM US. SO THEY PAY US A LEASING FEE. AND THAT'S HOW IT WORKS WITH LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING READY TO LEASE OUR OFFICE AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY MOVE BUILDING ANOTHER BUILDING ON IT. WE WOULD TAKE OUT THE LOAN AND BUILD THAT EXTRA BUILDING AND THEN THEY WOULD LIKE BASICALLY PAY US BACK WITH THE LEASE OVER AMOUNT OF TIME. ISN'T THAT HOW THE WISE RELATIONSHIP IS? SO, BECAUSE I GET WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THAT MUCH IF IT'S, IF THAT'S HOW THE RELATIONSHIP IS, THAT'S NOT YEAH, I'M NOT, SO THERE'S BEEN LIKE RIGHT. A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE, THE Y CONTRACT. AND SO, UH, THE MOST RECENT ONE I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IS WHEN I WASN'T HERE. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO, TO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT. BUT IF I RECALL, DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS, BUT I THINK IT WAS, UM, WE PAY THE, YOU TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. OKAY. , WE PAY THE, WE PAY THE PAY THE MORTGAGE AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE. YEP. IS IS THAT A POOR WAY OF THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TOO. SAYING IT. I'VE HEARD THAT TOO. YEAH. SO WE WOULD BE RELYING ON THEM TO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF TO, TO SUPPORT THIS EXPANSION. WELL, IF THEY'RE GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MONEY IN THEIR FEES AND STUFF, THEN THEY'RE OKAY WITH, BUT IF, IF WE'RE WANTING TO DO A COMMUNITY POOL WITH IT, THAT'S A YEAH, THAT'S AND DOING A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR, FOR POOL ACCESS. I AGREE. YEAH. I AGREE. YEAH. I AGREE WITH BRIAN AS WELL. LIKE RED FLAGS ARE YEAH. MARINATING ON THIS IS YEAH. I WOULD JUST SAY, AND UM, I'M ALWAYS SAYING THIS TO MAYBE KIND OF SPEED UP THIS PROCESS. CAUSE WE HAVEN'T VERY HARD IS KEEP DOING, I WOULD ALMOST RECOMMEND WITH THIS THAT WE PUT A PAUSE ON THIS COMPLETELY OR EVEN RECOMMEND REMOVAL. AGREED. IN THE AGREED SENSE THAT AGREED. WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT A RECREATION CENTER CENTER IN A COUPLE YEARS THAT IDEALLY WILL HAVE A POOL MM-HMM. , UM, PROBABLY EVEN A BIGGER SPACE FOR A POOL THAT'S ACTUALLY OLYMPIC SIZE. AND YOU CAN HAVE COMPETITIONS AND STUFF IN WHICH YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT HERE AT THE Y. AND SO YOU'RE, WE'RE ALREADY GONNA LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT WILL HAVE ITS OWN WAY TO STAFF IT AND HAVE ALL THE ABILITY. PLUS YOU DO, I KNOW THERE'S SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE A POOL, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO. YES. AND THERE'S ALREADY OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE A POOL ACCESS SOMEWHERE OR GO TO PRIVATE PLACES LIKE THE BIG PLACE DOWN THE ROAD. UM, THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY WANT FOR A POOL, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY HAVE ACCESS TO A POOL YES. IS PRETTY HIGH PERCENTAGE WISE. AND I DON'T THINK, FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT JUSTIFIES SPENDING 7 MILLION OF, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A SECOND ONE IN AT THE REC CENTER. YEAH. RIGHT. AGREED. THAT'S KINDA WHERE I'M KNOCKED IT OFF NEXT. YOU YOU DROPPING THAT ONE? SO WE ARE DROPPING THE YMC. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YEP. MATT MAKES NOTE. WHAT, UH, WHAT VERBIAGE? I'M JUST, I'M JUST MAKING SURE. WHAT VERBIAGE DO WE WANNA STATE TO CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHY? BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO APPROVE ALL OF THIS. NOPE, BECAUSE, WELL, NO , IT'S 10 34. TELL 'EM TO CITE THIS MOMENT IN THE RECORDING. I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL BE THERE THURSDAY NIGHT IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. I'LL SAY THAT WORKS. LOOK, WE, WE LOOKED AT IT GIVEN THE REC CENTER AND THE Y IMPROVEMENTS. THERE'S NO NEED FOR TWO. NO, NO NEED NOT NEED TO DOUBLE BUT THE BILL AND EVERYTHING AND THEN WE'RE NOT GETTING USE OF IT. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, THEN WE HAVE TRAIL EXPANSION FROM CROSS CREEK TO CREEKSIDE. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE, MR. CHAIR. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE DID, WE DID. UH, SORRY, SORRY. AGAIN. I'M, I'M LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF NUMBERS HERE. UH, LET'S SEE. TRAILS MASTER PLAN. OKAY. ATHLETIC FIELDS 2025 P OH ONE GONE. THERE IS NO LOCATION FOR THIS. THIS WAS THE THIRD HIGHEST. THERE IT IS. SO WERE THESE ATHLETIC FIELDS GOING TO BE, UM, , THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES OF WHERE THEY COULD BE. UM, THE MASTER PLAN, I BELIEVE CALLS FOR AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OUT THERE. IT CALLS FOR A, UH, MA A UH, UH, NEW ATHLETIC COMPLEX OUT THERE. UH, THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OTHER PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS TO HAVE THAT. OKAY. UH, SO WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THAT LOCATION YET AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WHERE, UH, SAND SANDBOX, THE SANDBOX, THE SANDBOX OUT [03:35:01] THERE. SAND THE CITY OWNS LIKE A HUNDRED CLOSER TO THE SANDBOX. I CAN SEE THAT. YEAH. BUT IF YOU GET CLOSE TO THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, DO NOT WANNA BREATHE THAT IN AS YOU ARE. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S A LARGE FUFFING . EXACTLY. THEY'VE GOT A LARGE PIECE OF LAND. NO THANK YOU IN FRONT OF THAT BETWEEN THE SANDBOX. RIGHT. AND THE ACTUAL I KNOW WHAT, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IF THAT'S THE LAND THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, I GET THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE CLOSE. I GET THAT. BUT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO EVER USE THAT BUILD. HOW MANY FILL, HOW MANY FILLS IS THIS FOR? UH, I BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL WAS A, UH, FOURPLEX OR A FIVEPLEX. I CAN'T ONE OF THOSE TWOS. AND ARE THE LIGHTS, YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT YEARS OF, OF COST THOUGH. THREE, THREE DIFFERENT YEARS. YEAH. THE FIRST ONE I'M ASSUMING IS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN. YEAH. THEN YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT YEARS. SO IS THAT TWO QUADPLEXES THAT ARE GETTING BUILT OR IS THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THE COST WAS GIVE OR TAKE, UM, ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A FIELD. SO WE FIGURED FOR TO FIVE FIELDS, DEPENDING ON THE COST AND JUST THE, DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANNA PUT ON THERE. IF YOU WANNA DO GRASS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S CHEAPER IF YOU WANNA DO, UH, A STADIUM SEATING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA HAVE A COMPETITION FIELD OR, OR ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ACT FACTORS THAT CAN RAISE TO COST HIGH SCHOOL. I MEAN, YOU AT THE LIGHTING ALONE IS GONNA BE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 250,000 FOR THE OTHER ONE. SO, SO ONE, ONE THING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT ON THIS ATHLETIC FIELD, THIS WAS IN THE 2018 BOND, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THERE WAS ATHLETIC FIELDS IN THE 2018 BOND SURE. AND THAT PASSED, THAT PASSED WITH OVERWHELMINGLY HIGH NUMBERS. YEAH. LIKE 76% BECAUSE WE ARE TECHNICALLY BEHIND ON HOW MANY FIELDS WE HAVE PER POPULATION. RIGHT. BY A LOT OF FIELDS. AND THE FACT THAT THE, UM, BASEBALL, THE, THE YOUTH BASEBALL BASICALLY MONOPOLIZES YEAH. MAKER. YEAH. MM-HMM. , THERE'S NO OTHER. SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMPETITIONS. YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY OTHER RIGHT OPTIONS. AND SO I KNOW THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WAS A LANDSLIDE OF A VOTE. OKAY. SO WHAT I AM THINKING IS THAT 400,000 FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE THAT TO THE LEFT TO 2024 BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE 18 BOND AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED. YEAH. WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON THIS. YEAH. PEOPLE WANT IT. I I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE YESTERDAY. YEAH. UH, MAINLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FIELDS FOR THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT WANT TO PLAY. WE'VE GOT KIDS GOING TO TAYLOR ROUND ROCK AND VILLE PLAYING BASEBALL WHEN THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT. I KNOW. MY GRANDSON. SO YEAH. AND THERE'S MONEY, REVENUE THAT CAN COME FROM THIS. CAN WE, THAT'S A, CAN WE ADD TO THE RECOMMENDATION AND JUST SAY SHIFT ALL THREE AMOUNTS LEFT? YEAH. I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO, I'M, I'M YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING CONSTRUCTION. OF COURSE. I'M YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED. WHAT ARE WE DOING? ALL RIGHT. ARE, ARE WE COOL WITH SLIDING THAT ONE YEAR TO THE LEFT? YES. YEP. WE'RE COOL. EVERY, EVERYTHING ON THAT LINE? EVERYTHING ON THAT LINE. YEAH. OKAY. NEXT. ALL RIGHT. I LIKE IT. DURANGO PARK. UH, NEXT UP IS DURANGO PARK. THANK YOU. YEAH. OH, IT'S GOING OFF OF THAT, UH, DURANGO PARK. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT. YEAH. WE MIGHT PUT A BUILDING ON THERE. WE MIGHT NOT. I'VE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THEY WANNA SEE THERE. AND SO THAT'S, UH, THE INITIAL PHASE IS FOR, UM, OBVIOUSLY JUST DESIGN AND KIND OF YEP. QUASI FEASIBILITY STUDY AS SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE. AND I LIKE IT IN 2025 AFTER WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT BUILDING MM-HMM. IF, IF WE TAKE IT, IF WE'RE DOING THAT BUILDING AT ALL. RIGHT. YEAH. TRAIN. AGREED. SO I'M OKAY WITH IT IN 25. AND I THINK THE REASON IT RANKS HIGHER, UH, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER, LIKE HUDDLE LAKE AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FACTOR AS WELL. CAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S LIKE 2 MILLION OUT THERE THAT WAS KIND OF RIGHT. PUT ASIDE FOR THE PARK. SO THERE'S SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THAT AS WELL. SO WHERE DOES, WHERE DO YOU GET 3,080,000 FROM? UM, SO WE, WE BALLPARKED, UH, A NUMBER BASED ON, UH, PROJECTIONS OF WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA BE IN THERE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A RESTROOM, YOU'RE GONNA SET UP A LIGHTING, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME TYPE OF PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE. SO ALL THOSE ACT FIGURE SOMETHING ADD UP TO A NUMBER. AND THEN, UH, THE LAST MEETING THEY, THEY ASKED TO ADD AN ESCALATOR ON THERE FOR EVERY YEAR. SO THAT'S WHERE THE, AN ESCALATOR 8,000. SO AT THE, AT THE FIRST PRESENTATION ESCALATOR, LIKE A LITERAL ESCALATOR. NO. GO NEXT TO THE DEFIBRILLATORS WAY TO HEAVEN. THAT'S FOR OLD PEOPLE. YEAH. THEY, THEY WANTED A STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN IN THE, IN THE [03:40:01] PARK. UM, WE WERE A LITTLE TIRED. AREN GO TO THE LINE. UH, SO YEAH. LAST TIME THEY ASKED US TO ESCALATE. YEP. THAT'S IT. BY AT LEAST 10%. THAT'S IT. ALL OF OUR PRICES. NO, BECAUSE PER YEAR, THE INFLATION THAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEP. AND THAT INCLUDES THE LIGHTING AND THE ESCALATION. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT INCLUDES JUST THE BASICS OF WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN THERE. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT GOES IN THERE. IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT A, A FITNESS PARK, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT WEAR A PICKLEBALL COURTS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT A CRICKET. IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT JUST A DOWNTOWN PARK, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK AND JUST HAVE MORE PARKING FOR DOWNTOWN AND JUST HAVE A QUASI PARK IN THERE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF GIVE AND FLOW, BUT I THINK THIS NUMBER WOULD, UHOH WOULD BE GOOD. I'M RELYING ON THAT. OH, IT'S, YEAH. ALL, ALL RIGHT. ASHLEY'S FAULT. I KNOW. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING THAT IN 2025. YEAH. I, I THINK THAT'S FINE IN 2025, CUZ THAT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE DOING A BUILDING MOVE OR NOT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, NEXT UP ADAM, SMALL SMALL QUESTION. GO FOR IT. UH, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW PARKS VERSUS IMPROVEMENTS. UM, ARE WE TRYING TO PRIORITIZE THE NEED TO IMPROVE EXISTING PARKS OVER THE HIGHER COST AND MORE AMENITIES INTO SOME OF THOSE VERSUS THE HIGHER COST OF ACTUALLY STARTING NEW PARK BUILD OUTS? UM, NOT NECESSARILY. LIKE I SAID, DURANGO PARK RANKED A BIT HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT, UM, PARKS BOARD DID LOOK AT THESE AND, AND DETERMINE WHAT THEY, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE OUR INITIAL C I P WAS WHAT THEY VALUE AND WHERE THEY RANK 'EM. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE, THEY, THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CALCULATION FOR THESE. OKAY. SO IT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE CASE BY CASE SCENARIO. SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, WE JUST ACQUIRED 20 ACRES, UM, BEHIND, UM, HUDDLE PARK AT BRUSHY CREEK AND RSI AND THE MM-HMM. , EMORY, CTC AND EMORY, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, THERE'S 20 ACRES THERE. WE, WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE, IT'S NOT ON THE C I P IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY FORMALIZED, FORMALLY TAKEN THAT LAND YET, UH, AS FAR AS IT TURNED OVER THE CITY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY TAKES A LOWER PRIORITY, BUT NEXT YEAR IT COULD COME BACK IN PARKS AND SAY, HEY, WE REALLY THINK THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED. WE WANNA DISC, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT DISC GOLF, WE WANNA PUT IT RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS, WE WANNA SEE, OKAY, I, THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING THIS, AND THIS MIGHT BE AGAINST POPULAR OPINION OF EVERYBODY ELSE, IS OH YEAH. THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IS ONLY ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM THE START OF FRITZ PARK. AND SO WE ARE ALREADY SPENDING 11 MILLION IN ONE YEAR TO MAKE FRITZ PARK INTO THIS AMAZING END ALL BE ALL THING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO. SO WE ARE NOW SAYING, I'M SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE. WE'RE NOW SAYING THAT TWO YEARS LATER WE WANNA SPEND ANOTHER 3 MILLION TO BUILD UP A PARK TWO BLOCKS AWAY WHENEVER WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE EITHER NEED TO IMPROVE OUR AMENITIES AT PARKS, MAKE THEM ACCESSIBLE, MAKE THEM USABLE. YES. I AGREE WITH THAT. I, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE PARK MASTER PLAN. THAT'S LIKE, SHOULD BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE AND THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN AND ALL OF THAT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LOCATION, THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST USE OF THAT MONEY NOW WE NEED TO MAYBE RE-LOOK AT IT LATER. WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKING AT BEFOREHAND. YEAH. AGREED. YEAH. KEEP IN MIND THIS, THIS LIST WAS PUT TOGETHER BEFORE WHAT HAPPENED THURSDAY NIGHT WITH FITZ PARK. SO, WELL YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, BUT WE'RE, AND THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FACTOR IS KIND OF WHY THAT WOULD RING TIE, BUT I KNOW WE, AND I JUST BRINGING THAT UP, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD EITHER WANT TO SHIFT IT MUCH LATER OR REMOVE IT FOR NOW AND RE-LOOK AT IT IN THE NEXT YEAR. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THAT AS I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND, AND HAVE THAT PARKS MASTER PLAN, LIKE YOU JUST REFERENCED. YEAH. AND THEN DECIDE WHERE THIS FITS, IF IT DOES AND HOW. YEAH. CUZ THE MASTER PLAN CAN GO OUT WAY PAST THE FIVE YEAR POINT. SO IF WE DECIDE THAT IN EIGHT YEARS, IT'LL BE A PERFECT YEAH. FOCUS. RIGHT. UM, BUT ON HERE, THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS APPARENTLY IN 2026 IS WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I BELIEVE. YEP. WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET. YEP. BUT IF THAT IF'S THE CASE, I MEAN, WE'LL DETERMINE THERE. BASED ON FRITZ PARK NOW BEING DONE, DO WE STILL NEED DURANGO TO BE ROBUST AND BIG? OR DOES IT NEED TO BE MORE WHAT YOU SAID? MORE OF A WHATEVER. LET'S DROP IT. SO ARE WE DROPPING OR ARE WE HANGING ONTO IT AT LEAST PUSHING IT. IF NOT, DROP IT, DROP IT, DROP, DROP IT. YEAH. I WOULD SAY DROP IT. JUST EXPLAIN WHY. OKAY. I'M, I'M HEARING SEVERAL DROPS. LET'S GO WITH DROP ON DURANGO. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP IS, UH, OR GAIN PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S IN 2025. AND LOOKS LIKE THE BIG BILL IS 2026. YEAH. DESIGN. AND THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, [03:45:01] WHAT WE WANNA ULTIMATELY END UP DOING WITH THAT SPACE. WE MAY, COUNCIL MAY DECIDE AND PNC MAY DECIDE, HEY, WE LIKE IT AS IS. IT'S A NATURE PARK. LET'S JUST LEAVE IT THERE. LET'S MAKE SOME MINING IMPROVEMENTS. OR LIKE, WE WANNA GO BIG AND REALLY MAKE IT, UH, ONE OF OUR CENTRAL SOUTH PARKS OF, OF HU. OKAY. OKAY. UM, LET, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I NOTICED ON HERE YOU HAVE NATURE PARK. YES. MM-HMM. , CAN YOU, YOU JUST HIT ON IT? NO, THIS, THIS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM THAT, THAT CAME UP DURING THE COMP PLAN, TALKING ABOUT A NATURE TRAIL NATURE PARK ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 37. I KNOW I PUT THAT ONE ON THERE, , BUT, BUT JEFF JUST REFERENCED A NATURE PARK, I THINK IS WHAT TONY SAID. SO, YEAH, I I'M JUST SAYING NATURAL PARK. IT'S JUST A NATURAL PARK. WHY, WHY DON'T WE, WHY CAN'T YOU COMBINE THE NATURE PARK AND OREGON AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW? OREGON PARK IMPROVEMENTS MAKE THE NATURE PARK THERE. YEAH. SO YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT. I MEAN, IT'S THE, SO IT'S THE AREA BEHIND THE NARROWS, UM, THAT THE SCHOOL CURRENTLY OWNS. THAT'S LIKE SEVEN ACRES RIGHT THERE. STAR DOG CENTER. YEAH. OH, 1 37. SO THERE'S SOME NEXT THAT'S WEST OF 1 37. RIGHT. SO IT'S ACROSS 1 37 FROM THE PARK. RIGHT. SO IT'S ACROSS FROM THE PARK. SO YOU'RE WANTING IT TO ALL KIND OF MESHED. YEAH. YOU'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. SUNRISES IN THE EAST, RIGHT? YEAH. AT ADAM OR ADAM ORGA WOULD BE ON ONE SIDE OF 1 37. THEN THIS NATURE PARK, NOT, NOT A NATURAL AREA OF A PARK, BUT THE NATURE PARK WOULD BE ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT ISN'T DEVELOPABLE AND KIND OF GOT THE BOTANICAL PARK GARDENS IN ZUKO PARK, KIND OF. YEAH. AS WE GET INTO EACH OTHER, SOME OF THE TRAIL EXPANSIONS, WE CAN KIND OF GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. THAT TOO. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S COOL. YEAH. I, I WAS TRYING TO DIAL IT BACK INTO ORAIN BECAUSE ORAIN TWO SEPARATE ONES. UM, I, IS EVERYONE COOL WITH ORAIN 2025 AND THEN 2026? YEAH, SURE. WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR. YEP. YEAH. JUST TO VERIFY, YOU HAVE ADAM ORAIN RESTROOMS SEPARATELY ON HERE AS AN ITEM. MM-HMM. . YES. IS THERE A REASON THAT'S SEPARATE? YEAH. WHAT ELSE ARE YOU ON? I'M THINK IT'S STILL A PART. SAME THING. UM, HE'S EXPECTING US TO CANCEL THE OTHER ONE. SO HE WAS KEEPING IT IN THERE. . THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. HE'S LIKE, WE NEED A RESTROOM, BUT NOT IMPROVEMENTS. IT WAS A MY CHECK. THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I, THAT I RECORDED FROM A LITTLE WHILE AGO MM-HMM. A FEW MONTHS, WEEKS, WHATEVER, ADAM OR RESTROOMS, ONE 65,000. THAT'S IT. WE'RE DONE. THAT'S A PARKS FUND, NOT A BOND. MM-HMM. . IS THAT ADDING, IS THAT ADDING RESTROOMS? UH, SOME MORE RESTROOMS, YES. ALSO, BUT WE DON'T, WE, THE CURRENT, THE ONLY RESTROOMS WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW ARE FOR INSIDE THE AMPHITHEATER. RIGHT. SO THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ADDING A STANDALONE FACILITY OUTSIDE FOR PARK USERS TO USE. AND NOW THAT WE'VE, THE NARROWS CAME ACROSS THERE AND THEY TIED INTO LIFT STATIONS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SEPTIC. RIGHT. WE JUST TIE IN RIGHT THERE. OKAY. AND WITH THE, THE TRAIL EXPANSION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, MAKE SURE CONNECTING THAT TRAIL THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 1 37 FROM THE BROOKLYNS TO THE FRONT OF THE AMPHITHEATER WOULD LEAD RIGHT INTO THAT. BUT YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE TWO SETS. BUT IT, IT COULD BE COMBINED. IT COULD BE A PART OF IT FOR, BUT YOU'RE NOT IMPROVING THE RESTROOM FOR THIS LINE ITEM. WHAT ARE YOU IMPROVING WITH ADAM OREGON PARK IMPROVEMENT? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. SO A LOT OF ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE A FE WE'D BASICALLY HAVE A DESIGN CHARETTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE THIS PARK? ONE THING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T HAVE PARK LIGHTING. AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE NEED. UH, WE NEED THE OTHER RESTROOM. I'VE HEARD BENCHES AND PICNIC. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO SIT. IT'S VERY IN NATURE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OVER THE YEARS SINCE WE GOT THAT PARK ABOUT HOW TO PROGRAM IT. CUZ RIGHT NOW REALLY ALL WE HAVE OUT THERE IS JUST THE CREEK AND THE AMPHITHEATER. MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, BACK IN THE DAY I SAW MULTIPLE CONCEPTS ON HOW TO PROGRAM THAT. AND SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT DOING ZIP LINES AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS MM-HMM. . AND SO I THINK REALLY WHAT, WHAT JEFF IS GETTING AT IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT THAT PARK TO BE. DO WE WANT IT TO BE MORE OF A NATURAL PARK LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE STROLLING ALONG THE CREEK AND, AND PICNICKING AND WAITING FOR THE AMPHITHEATER STUFF? OR DO WE WANT SOME OTHER ADVENTURE PARK OR WHATEVER. YEAH. MM-HMM. TYPE EVENT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS TALK ABOUT [03:50:01] GOING IN THERE AND TRYING TO IMPROVE THE CREEK SO YOU COULD HAVE KAYAKING AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. I, THAT'S NICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROGRAM ENDS UP BEING, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE. AND THE, SO THE, THE OTHER THING IS WE, THE AMPHITHEATER IS INSIDE THE PARK AND SO THERE'RE OBVIOUSLY SOME UPGRADES TO THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. IT IS ONE OF THE LARGEST, I THINK IN VOLUMES WATER USER ON HUTTO IN HUTTO. SO WE NEED TO OBVIOUSLY TRY TO GET THAT ON A WELL SYSTEM. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EXPENSE THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD TO THAT. UM, THERE'S, THE STAGE NEEDS TO BE, THE HEIGHT OF THE STAGE NEEDS TO EITHER COME DOWN OR WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME BUFFER TO DETER THE SOUND. SO THERE'S LOTS OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO JUST NOT ON THE PART, BUT ALSO, ALSO THAT AMPHITHEATER PART. YEAH. IT, IT'S ALL WITHIN THAT. YEAH. THAT, UH, THAT PARK. I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO BEFORE THEY, HOW DO I PHRASE THIS IN A WAY? THAT'S NICE. I WAS JUST GO FOR IT. GO FOR IT. WHERE'S THE BANDAID? 11:00 PM WE'LL JUST GO FOR IT. OKAY. SO I, I'VE HEARD THAT UNDER DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP THERE WERE AGREEMENTS MADE FOR LIKE, PARK, UM, ITEMS AND WE PAID AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR RIDICULOUS THINGS. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW ARE, LIKE HOW DO WE DO THIS? WHAT IS OUR BIDDING PRO? LIKE HOW ARE WE DOING THIS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING $7,000 ON A TOILET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SURE. UH, GREAT QUESTION. SO IT BETTER BE GOLD. THAT'S RIGHT. IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS. SO THE FRITZ PARK ONE IS GOING TO HAVE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL C MARK CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK. AND SO THEY'RE GONNA OFFER US A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. SO THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HERE'S ALL THE STUFF WE WANT IN IT, WHAT'S IT GONNA COST? AND IF IT COSTS UNDER THE $11 MILLION THAT WE HAVE, OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK AND SAY, WELL WE WANNA ADD NOW THESE THINGS INTO IT. IF IT COSTS MORE, THEN WE GOTTA START SUBTRACTING STUFF OUT OR EVALUATING WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE OR WHERE WE CAN CUT OR WHAT WE POTENTIALLY SAVE OR WHAT CAN WE REUSE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. KINDA THE SAME THING WITH THESE WE GO THROUGH AND IF IT'S A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE'LL HAVE A SET OF PLANS AS PART OF THE DESIGN PHASE AND THEY'LL SAY WE'LL GO THROUGH THERE, STAFF WILL MEET WITH THEM, PARKS BOARD, MEET WITH THEM AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE. UH, LET'S SAY WE PICK, UM, LET'S SAY WE PICK, UM, UM, I'M TRYING TO LOOK ON MY LIST HERE. HUDDLE LAKE PARK. OKAY. LET'S SEE. CUZ WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT THAT WAY YET. LET'S SAY WE WANNA ADD, WE WANNA ADD MORE LIGHTING. WE GONNA ADD, UH, WE'LL REDO THE PAVILION, WE'RE GONNA RE REDO THE, THE LAKE PARK. WE'RE GONNA ADD A DOCK, YOU KNOW, ADD MORE DOCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT. CAN YOU DESIGN IT? WE'LL GO OUT FOR BID AND WE'LL KIND OF SEE WHERE THE BID FALLS AS TO WHAT THE PRICE IS. AND IF WE THINK SOMETHING IS OVERLY PRICED, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM TELLING SOMEBODY. I THINK IT'S OVERLY PRICED. WE HAVE THE OPTION TO BUY STUFF ON BUYBOARD THROUGH A PURCHASING COOPERATIVE. SO WE CAN ALWAYS KIND OF GET PRICING OFF THERE, COMPARE IT TO WHAT, UM, OUR VENDORS ARE PROVIDING BACK. OKAY. SO WE HAVE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE. THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO, BUT PARKS BOARD WILL HAVE A HANDS-ON ROLE AS FAR AS LIKE, UM, I MEAN THEY WON'T NECESSARILY LIKE PICK OUT EVERY FEATURE THAT WE DO. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT THEY'LL HAVE A GENERAL SYNOPSIS OF HOW MUCH IT COSTS AND OKAY. AND WHAT IT IS. AND THAT PART BE, I'M SURE IT'LL PART OF BE, IT'D BE A PART OF, UH, MATT'S MONTHLY C I P PRESENTATION TOO TO, TO COUNSEL. OKAY. SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SKIP A LITTLE BIT DOWN TO PARKS MASTER PLAN. SURE. OKAY. PARKS MASTER PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR 26 AND 27. I THINK THAT'S TOO LATE GIVEN THE VOLUME OF PARKS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN 25. WITHOUT A DOUBT. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD PUSH BACK ON AND EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM HOW MANY OTHER MASTER PLANS ARE WE ALREADY DOING IN THE NEXT LIKE TWO YEARS? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE DOING THE UDC REWRITE NOW. I THINK WE'RE DOING ANOTHER MASTER PLAN NEXT YEAR, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. MOBILITY, I THINK IS NEXT YEAR. MOBILITY MAYBE. OKAY. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I KNOW STAFF AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY CANNOT DO LIKE THREE MASTER PLANS AT ONCE OR WE WILL ALL DIE. SO I'M JUST RIGHT. EXACTLY. I LIKE YOUR PLAN. I'M JUST CHECKING WITH WHOEVER, SCHEDULING WISE THAT WELL OUR, OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2020 AND USUALLY IT'S A FIVE TO SEVEN, EIGHT. OKAY. MAY 10 YEAR WINDOW MM-HMM. . AND SO WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS IN THAT TIMEFRAME, BUT AS GROW AS FAST AS WE ARE GROWING AS RIGHT. MORE AND MORE WE'RE ADDING AND MORE AND MORE WE NEED TO PLAN, I CAN EASILY SEE MOVING IT UP. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER MASTER PLAN PLANS, MOBILITY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHERE THEY'RE [03:55:01] SAYING, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT'S A FIVE YEAR SCHEDULE, BUT AS FAST AS YOU GUYS ARE GROWING, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT IT IN THREE. YEAH. CUZ IT WAS ADOPTED 2020 WAS JANUARY OF 2020. RIGHT. SO IT WAS REALLY 2019 THAT WAS PRE PANDEMIC. AND WE'VE GOT A TON OF STUFF ON THE, ON THE PLATE. YEAH. TO ANSWER, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. CURRENTLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE KNOW IS HAPPENING IS THE UDC REWRITING THE ENGINEERING MANUAL. OKAY. WE ARE IN THIS C I P WHEN WE GET THERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 24 AND WE'RE ASKING TO DO A MOBILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE UPDATE IN 24. RIGHT. AND A WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE UPDATE IN 24. WOW. RIGHT. IT'S JUST MY 24 IMPACT FEE. I MEAN, , NO NEW DEVELOPMENT ALL IMPACT PLAN, ALL THE REASON I LOVE THE CONCEPT PUSHING FORWARD. I'M JUST SAYING I, IF WE ALREADY HAVE THAT MANY THINGS IN ONE YEAR, I COULD SEE MAYBE PUSHING IT TO 25, BUT DO NOT TRY TO PUT IT IN 25. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING. IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE BEFORE WE REALLY START DIGGING INTO SOME OF THESE EXPENSES ON THESE PARTS. RIGHT? MM-HMM. . YEAH. ARE, ARE YOU GUYS COOL WITH SLIDING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN FROM 26 AND 27 TO 25 AND 26? SURE. YEAH. SURE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIT THAT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IN 25 AND SO ON, AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN HERE. AT LEAST NOW WE'VE GOT A PLAN ON THE BOOKS OR IN THE BOOKS ON THE SCHEDULE. BRIAN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? THAT THING? YEAH. OKAY. SORRY, I WANTED TO JUMP AHEAD ON THAT ONE. UH, LET'S SEE. NEXT UP IS DISC GOLF? NO. ADAM OR PICKLEBALL COURT. MAKE IT NOW. MAKE IT NOW. THAT IS THE NEW THING THAT EVERYBODY IS PLAYING. WE GOT A LOT OF, LOT OF INQUIRIES ABOUT THAT, SO. OKAY. AND IT'S GONNA BE WHERE, SO, UH, PICKLEBALL IS, IS A GREAT ASSET AND IT'S A, IT IS VERY LOUD AND A LOT OF CITIES HAVE GOTTEN INTO LAWSUITS ABOUT JUST THE, THE NOISE FACTOR. SO WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. AND SO ONE AREA THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT, UM, IS AT CREEKSIDE PARK, BUT ADDING SOME TYPE OF NOISE ABATEMENT, SOUND BARRIERS FROM THERE, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE CROSS CREEK, THERE'S A CREEK, THERE'S A TREES MM-HMM. AND WE OWN . SO IT HOPEFULLY WOULDN'T CARRY OVER THAT MUCH, SO IT'D KINDA BE MORE CLOSER TO THE CREEK. WHERE WOULD ECHO, BUT WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED TO GET A I WILL, I WILL REFUTE THAT. I LIVE IN CROSS CREEK AND I HAVE HEARD BASEBALL GAMES GOING ON ON THOSE FIELDS RIGHT ACROSS PRETTY LOUD. OKAY. SO THE TREES ARE NOT HELPING THAT. SO MIKE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED A LOT OF RESISTANCE FROM A SUBDIVISION. LET ME PUT IT THERE. WELL, MY QUESTION YEAH. ON BOTH THE PICKLEBALL COURT AND THE DISC GOLF IS, CAN WE NOT CO-LOCATE THAT WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS? YEAH, I WAS, WE COULD. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S FAR AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL. HEY, YOU KNOW, THE 16 YEAR OLDS ARE GONNA PLAY PICKLEBALL AND THE SEVEN YEAR OLDS ARE GONNA PLAY T-BALL. ALL RIGHT. COOL. . YEAH. I, YOU YOU COULD EVEN ADD THE DISC GOLF AND, AND OREGON PARK, PARK. WELL, PARK SPORT IS KIND OF BEEN INCLINED TO THE NEW PROPERTY THAT WE TOOK OVER ON C D CTC, UM, BEHIND THE PUDO PARK OR BUSHING CREEK. AND THAT, THAT AREA IS, IS THE KIND OF DISC GOLF AREA THAT A PERFECT SPACE. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE FINE. DISC DISC GOLF IS SIGNIFICANTLY QUIETER THAN PICKLEBALL. SURE. YES. BUT I'M, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GOING OUT AND TRYING TO BUY A LOCATION FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PUTTING IT IN DURANGO PARK, LET'S CO-LOCATE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE. MM-HMM. UH, IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE YEAH. PICKLEBALL COURTS. YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO THE SAME TIMELINE AS THE ATHLETIC FIELDS IN YEAH. FOR OKAY. FOR 25, ET CETERA. IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM? IT'S OUT THERE FOR PICKLEBALL. THEY DON'T TAKE UP THAT MUCH SPACE. IT'S DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YOU WANT. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THEY GET LIGHT. IT'S NOT THAT MUCH SPACE. OKAY. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA MOVE THOSE, MOVE THOSE FORWARD A YEAR? NO, UH, PICKLEBALL WILL STAY THERE. OKAY. AT 25. CAN WE TAKE A SMALL 10 MINUTE BREAK? THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. 11:00 PM WHO'S GONNA ORDER PIZZA? IT IS 11. YES, IT IS 11:00 PM LET'S TAKE A, CALL IT 10 MINUTE RECESS. WE HAVE THREE SUFFERING TONIGHT. WE HAVE TO YEAH. CUZ IT'S GOTTA GO TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. UHHUH. TEACH A CLASS AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. [04:00:01] UHOH. ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UH, RECONVENE AT 6:00 AM IN THE MORNING. 1110. THINK I START WORK AT 6:00 AM WELL, IT IS 11. 11. WE BACK. THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, WE LEFT OFF WITH, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT IN 2025? THAT'LL BE YES. PROBABLY AFTER THE MASTER PLAN. YEP. OKAY. WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, RIGHT? YES. YES. YES. OKAY. UH, NEXT UP IS ADAM ORGA RESTROOM. YEAH. THAT CAN BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, ORAIN IMPROVEMENTS TOO, IF YOU GUYS WANNA COMBINE THOSE. YEP. YES. YEAH. LET'S, I'M, I'M GONNA PUT THAT AS A DROP, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE A NOTE TO COMBINE WITH IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH. ARE YOU ABOUT TO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RESTROOMS? YES. YES. I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT, CAN IT BE USED THE PARK FUND INSTEAD OF OTHER MONEY? WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHY IT WAS A SEPARATE ITEM. YEAH. IT, IT COULD, BECAUSE IF IT CAN USE THE PARK FUND AND WE CAN JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, THEN GO FOR IT. I'M SAYING, UM, NOT IMMEDIATELY. IT DEPENDS ON, YEAH, IT DEPENDS ON, YEAH. WHATEVER BUDGET HE HAS, . YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 2.9 MILLION, BUT NOW WITH, UH, YEAH. LET WE 1.2 LESS. AND WITH THIS WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER SEMINAR HOUR. LET'S LEAVE, LET'S LEAVE THE ANIMAL MAIN RESTROOM SINCE IT IS A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE. YEAH. AND THAT WAS KIND OF, UM, SEPARATE ITEM. YEAH. THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY FIRM PRICE ON THAT TOO. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT JUST STAYED IN THERE LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE LEAVING IT NOT DROPPING. WE'RE LEAVING IT. WE'RE NOT DROPPING IT. 2025 IS STILL OKAY FOR THE RESTROOMS. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S AFTER THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. IS THAT, YEAH, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED A MASTER PLAN TO PUT THE RESTROOMS IN. IT'S JUST A NO, THIS, IT'S GONNA BE KINDA LIKE MATT HAS A DEPARTMENT OF TWO AND I'VE GOT A LIMITED STAFF TOO, SO WE DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE WE YOU'VE GOT STRESS. YOU'VE GOT A TON OF STUFF IN 20. ARE WE OKAY WITH IT IN 25? YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, COOL. LET'S MOVE ON. YES. UH, LET'S SEE. NEXT STEP IS DISC GOLF. UH, THAT IS 2 75. UH, IN 2025. AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CTC YEAH. LAND. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. WE HAVE 20 ACRES OUT THERE, SE UH, 13 OF WHICH ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAIL THAT CONNECTS, UH, HUDDLE PARK TO BASICALLY RSI OR EMORY. I ALWAYS CALL IT RSI. IT'S OUR EMORY WHATEVER IT IS NOW. BUT, UM, IT'D BE ALONG THAT, THAT PORTION THAT'S TRAIL. NICE. THAT'S A GOOD AREA. AND THAT IS, THAT IS GONNA COME OUT OF PARKS FUND. THAT'S NOT BONDING PROJECTED TO COME OUT OF A PARKS FUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT KINDA DEPENDS ON IF, IF WE END UP REIMBURSING OR NOT. CAUSE IF NOT THEN WE'LL, WE LET THAT FUND GO BACK UP. OH, WE DROPPING IT. SO WE'RE DROPPING IT. SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT IN THERE CUZ IT'S COMING OUT OF PARKS FUND. MUCH LIKE THE BATHROOMS. RIGHT. HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR PRIORITIZATION THOUGH? PARK FUNDS DIFFERENT. WE WOULD DROP FROM, SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO. NO, NOT NECESSARILY. SOME OF THEM WE WERE DROPPING. WHY? BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CAPITAL. BUT IF IT'S NOT PART OF C I P WHY ISN'T IN HERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. IF IT'S PART OF THE BOND, IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET AND NOT THE C P, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THIS. WELL, WELL, SO NO, IT IS A, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DROP IT. WELL, TO CLARIFY THE PARK IMPROVEMENT, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND RIGHT. IS WHAT THIS IS COMING OUT OF MM-HMM. . AND THAT IS NOT BUDGET, RIGHT? THAT'S AN ACTUAL FUND. NO, WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT. BUT IT IS, YEAH, IT'S A FUND, BUT WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE BUDGET FOR IT. BUT, BUT THE MONEY IS ALREADY IN THERE FROM PAST FEES. OKAY. TO YOU, THE BUDGET IS JUST, HOW ARE YOU ALLOCATING IT? BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, BUT IT'S STILL A BUDGET ITEM THEN. YES. BUT THIS ITEM IS, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS ITEM IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. NOT IN WHERE NECESSARILY WHERE THE FUNDING IS. IT'S WHERE NOT THIS ITEM FALLS UNDER THE C I P, BUT I'M SAYING, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS IF IT'S ALREADY GOING TO GET FUNDED THROUGH THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND, WHICH A LOT OF THIS SHOULD BE, THE MONEY'S THERE, IT'S NOT CIP. RIGHT. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE CIP LIST, RIGHT? WELL, NO. SO ACTUALLY IT SHOULD BE ON THE CIP CUZ IT'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR THE CITY. YES. AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DETERMINING WHICH BUCKET OF MONEY RIGHT. PAYS FOR THE SPECIFIC ITEMS IN THE CIP. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE'VE GOT THE CIP SET UP IN CLEAR GOV, IF YOU WENT INTO CLEAR GOV AND LOOKED AT IT, IS EVERY SINGLE PROJECT IN HERE IS MARKED DOWN TO BE PAID FOR WITH BOND FUNDS, WHICH MEANS WE'RE ISSUING DEBT FOR IT. BUT PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH FINANCE, AND PART OF WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN TONIGHT AND THE TIME WE PRESENT THIS TO CITY COUNCIL IS FINANCE HAS TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR FUNDS, OUR TRA TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEED FUND, OUR WA, WATER [04:05:01] AND WASTEWATER PARKS THAT MAKE THAT MAKES SENSE. I I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY AS WE'RE DOING THOSE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE'RE PRIORITIZING IT, THE THINGS WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT THESE ARE TECHNIC THESE SHOULD TECHNICALLY BE PARK FUNDS. WE'D HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE'RE PRIORITIZING 'EM. THEY CAN BE A HIGH PRIORITIZATION, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING FUNDED BY BOND MONEY OR ANYTHING ELSE. CORRECT. THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING FUNDED OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION COULD BE THAT, OH MY, WE WANT THIS IN THE C I P BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ISSUE DEBT FOR IT. WE WANT TO USE THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND FOR IT. YES. MM-HMM. . YEP. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, SO THAT WAS DISC GOLF. NEXT IS PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND WE'VE ALREADY AGREED WE DID THAT. RIGHT. NEXT IS PARK AND I'M JUST REHASHING, WE MOVED IT TO 2025. WE'RE GOOD THERE. UH, NEXT UP TRAIL EXTENSION, HUDDLE LAKE, PARK SOUTH. YEAH. SO THIS IS TO BASICALLY CONNECT, UH, HUDDLE LAKE PARK TO GREAT WESTERN BEHIND THOSE APARTMENTS. WE ALREADY OWN THAT LAND THERE. IT IS KIND OF A, IT'S NOT A CREEK, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN OVERFLOW PART OF THE CREEK. AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF A, UM, UNIQUE PATH TO GO. AND OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THROUGH ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S ANOTHER WAY TO CONNECT TO HUDDLE LAKE PARK. UH, IT'S, I THINK IT'S LIKE A QUARTER OF A MILE OR HALF A MILE. SO IT'S NOT A LONG EXTENSION. UM, OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE HUDDLE LAKE WOULD INCLUDE INSTALLING TRAIL AND LIGHTING? JUST TRAIL. JUST TRAIL. OKAY. YEAH. POTENTIALLY LIGHTING. BUT THAT'S GONNA BE HARDER BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO NOT NEIGHBORS. MAYBE SOME BALLER GLIDING A FEW ALONG THE WAY. OKAY. AND THAT IS FOR 2026. THAT'S COOL. IS THAT COOL FOR EVERYONE? YEP. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY DID WE DROP BRUSHY CURLS THE CREEK EXPANSION, UH, FURTHER IF WE'RE, AND THEN WE'RE NOT DROPPED. LIKE WE DROPPED THE TRAIL EXPANSION AND THE TRAIL EXTENSION, RIGHT? UH, NO, BECAUSE THOSE WERE NO, THOSE, NO, THOSE STILL ON. OH, WHY DO I HAVE THEM AS DROPPED? I, THE ONLY ONES THAT WE DROPPED WERE THE FENCE. YOU DROPPED THE FENCING SECURITY CAMERAS ZAP STAND AND THE UTILITY VEHICLE. OKAY. SORRY. IN BUDGET. YEP. AND DURANGO PARK. BUT I THOUGHT THE OTHER ONES WERE PART OF AND, AND Y M C A IMPROVEMENT AND DURANGO PARK. YES. YEAH. OKAY. FOR OTHER REASON. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENED TO TRAIL EXTENSION, BRUSHY CREEK EXPANSION THAT GONE? WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET. THAT'S THE, WE'RE GOING NUMERICALLY. OH, OKAY. WELL IT'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER RIGHT ON HERE THAN RIGHT. IT'S OKAY. SO IT CHANGED. YEAH, IT CHANGED. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. SO TRAIL EXTENSION, HUDDLE LAKE PARK SOUTH. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT IN 2026. YEP. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ONE. TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN. AND SO THIS KIND OF FALLS IN, UH, AFTER OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN, JUST KIND OF DESIGNING WHERE EVERYTHING WE WANT TO GO AND LAYING IT OUT. AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SO TRAILS MASTER PLAN IS GONNA HELP US KIND OF MAKE THE CONNECTIONS AND, OH, WE HAVE ALL THESE, OH, I WISH THIS WAS CONNECTED. OR OH, WE NEED THIS TRAIL HERE. OH, WE NEED THIS THERE. AND SO IT KIND OF OUTLINES THOSE. AND THE TRAIL DESIGN WILL SAY, OKAY, WELL HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO PUT, HERE'S HOW LONG WE NEED TO PUT IT. RIGHT. HERE'S THE SPECS. WE NEED TO DO IT. UH, SO WE'VE GOT TRAILS MASTER PLAN IN 2024. WE'VE GOT TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN IN 2026. IS THAT TOO BIG OF A GAP? UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FINE CUZ TRAILS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY CHANGES A LOT OVER TIME. CAUSE YOU'RE GOING, UM, MORE LIKE A BUILDING COST. YOU KNOW, THE CONCRETE COST IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA REALLY IMPACT THAT. OKAY. SO LEAVE IT IN 20. ARE WE GOOD WITH TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN IN 2026 ORDER THEN WE'LL HAVE TO 2025 PLC. IT WON'T, IT WON'T BE A LENGTHY DESIGN PROCESS OF A YEAR. IT'LL BELL AN IMPROVEMENT. HEY, WE NEED, CUZ WE'LL JUST USE THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN AS A GUIDING TOOL AND THEY'LL JUST FIGURE OUT BASICALLY A SCOPE OF WORKFORCE US ARE YOU DOING FOUR NEXT ITEM THREE? IT WAS, WE WE GOOD WITH THAT FOR 26? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. UH, IS HUDDLE LAKE PARK, UH, THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS, THAT'S THE RENOVATION, CORRECT? YEAH, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY, I THINK ONE THAT WAS HIGHER UP IN THE, ON THE CURRENT C I P THAT WE DECIDED TO, TO PUSH BACK JUST BECAUSE, UM, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONE-OFF PROJECTS CAME IN THAT RANKED A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED. OKAY. SO MY, MY QUESTION IS THE HUDDLE LAKE RENOVATION, UH, THE HU UH, WHAT WAS IT? HUDDLE LAKE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT. MM-HMM. TWO COMPLETE SEPARATE. YEAH. DOCK IS SEPARATE PROJECTS. YEAH. THE DOCK IS IMMEDIATE NEED. IT'S OUTTA SHAPE AND ALL RIGHT. IT'S A SAFETY TRACKING. OH, I, [04:10:01] I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT NO, WE'RE NOT DOUBLING UP ON ANYTHING. AND IF YOU WANNA MOVE HUDDLE LAKE PARK UP, UH, WE WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT. IT JUST KINDA, BECAUSE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THAT PARK THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF, IS THAT IT IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY. RIGHT. BUT IT HAS UPPER, BRUSHY CREEK HAS AN EASEMENT OVER IT AND THE EASEMENT'S OVER LIKE MM-HMM. 75, 90% OF THE PARK. AND ANYTIME WE DO IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE, THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER DRAWINGS AND STAMP DRAWINGS. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE IT AS ONE WHOLE LUMP SUM. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IT KINDA GOT PUSHED BACK JUST BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF OUR MOST USED PARKS AND WE TRY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THERE AS BEST WE CAN. BUT IN ORDER TO DO A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT'S, GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF CAPITAL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE GOING BACK AND FORTH, UH, TO INTERFERE WITH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS FOR SIDEWALKS OR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER. SO WITH EVERYTHING ON YOUR PLATE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT DESIGN ENGINEERING FOR 27 AND THEN THE MAIN BILL FOR 28. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PUSH LEFT BY ONE YEAR? YOU WANT TO IT? I'M ASKING IF YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YOU, YOU THINK YOU THINK YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT? HOW, HOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE? WHICH ITEM IS THIS? HOW LAKE PARK HUDDLE? LAKE PARK. THE 26 PO THREE. NOPE. 27 PO ONE. AH, THANK YOU. YEP. MOVE IT, MOVE THEM BOTH TO THE LEFT. MOVE THEM LEFT ONE YEAR. CAN DO THAT POOR PARK. MM-HMM. THAT POOR SLIDE. THAT POOR SLIDE THAT POOR FOUR SLIDE . OKAY. NEXT UP IS 2027 PO TWO DOG PARK. I ASSUME THAT IS THE OFF LEASH DOG PARK IN THE NORTH. MM-HMM. , THIS ONE. BETWEEN THIS ONE OR THE SKATE PARK, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE FALL WITH FRITZ PARK. CUZ THOSE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE AN OPEN SPACE THERE THAT WE BASICALLY HAVE LIKE A, UH, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, A PLUG AND PLAY YEP. APPROACH. SO ONE OF THOSE TWO POTENTIALLY COULD END UP IN THAT AREA. SO, UM, BUT WE STILL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON HERE FOR FUTURE USE, WHETHER IT'S NOT CHOSEN YES. IF OR NOT. IF IT'S INCLUDED IN THE FRITZ RENOVATIONS, THEN IT'LL DROP OFF THE C I P OTHERWISE IT STAYS ON FOR NEXT YEAR. WHERE DID A DOG, WHERE DID THE DOG PARK RANK WITH THE PEOPLE OR, UH, AT THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, IT WAS, UH, I THINK NEAR THE END. WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE AND IT'S HARDLY USED. UM, YEAH, RIGHT. THERE IS ONE AT, AT WHAT'S STU STAR? MARK STARMARK. STARMARK STAR MART. YEAH. RIGHT. AND IT'S FREE TO THE PUBLIC. YOU JUST HAVE TO GO CHECK IN. BUT I GO THERE AND THERE'S ONE DOG THERE. MAYBE WOULD SAY DROP WHOLE AND I'M DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY. WHOLE THING. REALLY? I WOULD SAY THROUGHOUT THE, CAUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO THEY ASKED THE PEOPLE ABOUT A DOG PARK, UHHUH. , AND IT WAS RESOUNDLY SHUT DOWN. OH. NOW SEE, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE DOG PARK POP UP IN SURVEY. I'VE SEEN IT POP UP IN THE COMP PLAN. OH, IT HAS? OH YEAH, THEY DO, BUT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY USE IT. LIKE I GO, I GO TO THE MULTIPLE DOG PARKS BECAUSE I LIKE 'EM BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY THERE. AND THEY'RE LARGER SPACES, BUT THEY ALSO TEND TO GET LESS MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT USED AS MUCH. AND SO, UM, THE ONE OVER IN FALCON POINT, IT'S ALL STICKERS NOW BECAUSE NOBODY PAYS, THEY'RE NOT TAKEN CARE AS MUCH AS PLACES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED MORE. AND SO I'LL SAY THERE'S ONE DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S FREE. SURE. THEY CAN USE THAT. AND THERE'S SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS IN TOWN THAT HAVE 'EM IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS. YES. YEAH, THERE ARE. THAT'S, I I DO NOT HAVE DOGS. SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I SAW. YEAH. IT'S APARTMENT PEOPLE WHO, AND ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE STARTING TO BUILD THEIR OWN. YEP. OKAY. DOG PARKS. SO AM I HEARING THIS AS A DROP? YEP. YEAH, THIS IS COMING FROM A HUGE DOG PERSON SAW. I HEAR A HUGE DOG. I WOULD DROP IT. YEP. I'M HEARING DROP. YEP. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DROP THE DOG PARK. UH, THERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP IS TRAIL EXTENSION, BRUSHY CREEK EXPANSION. SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE BIG ONE AS FAR AS THE TRAIL EXPANSION. AND THIS IS THE ULTIMATE IN GO OF THIS, UH, IS TO CONNECT INTO THE WILLIAMS CREEK, UH, NOT WINSTON CREEK, SORRY. WINSON COUNTY. BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL SYSTEM. RIGHT. AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO LIBERTY HILL. UH, THERE'S SOME, WE'RE CLOSE ON OUR END. WE'RE NOT AS FAR AWAY AS WILCO IS ON THEIR END. THEY'VE GOTTA GO BACK BEHIND, UH, RED BUD AND CONNECT [04:15:01] INTO BASICALLY THE ONE 30 ON THE CARMEL CREEK TRAIL. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT INTO. THAT'S THE END OF OUR PROPERTY. THEN WE HAVE TO EITHER FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CONNECT IT TO THE RIVERWALK. BUT THIS GOES FROM, UM, CARMEL CREEK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE RIVERWALK SUBDIVISION AND EITHER CONNECTS IT, THERE'S SOME PROPERTY, UH, BEHIND, UH, HOWARD NORMAN SCHOOL, THE ALONG THE CREEK THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH, OR WE COULD GO BACK ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF OLD 1 0 7, I THINK IT IS. UM, THERE'S AN OLD ABANDONED COUNTY ROAD BACK BEHIND STARMARK WHERE WE CAN COME OUT. OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. UH, COME OUT TO THAT. SO THE END GOAL IS TO, THE LONG TERM GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE TRAILS TRAILHEAD MEETING AT BASICALLY CARL STERN OR CREEKSIDE PARK OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. GET ON THE TRAIL. AND YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO ADAM ORAIN, SOUTH NORTH. YOU GET ON THAT ONE. IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO UNIVERSITY. OR YOU CAN GO WEST WEST AND GO BRUSHY CREEK REGIONAL TRAIL ALL THE WAY TO LIBERTY HILL. OKAY. SO THIS IS THAT, THIS IS THAT ONE THAT CONNECTS FIGURING OUT A WAY TO CONNECT TO ADAM ORAIN FROM BASICALLY CHRIS KELLY. AND WE'VE GOT THAT FOR 2027. SO THAT'S TWO YEARS AFTER THE MASTER PLAN. YEAH. AND THAT'S GONNA HAVE SOME LAND ACQUISITION. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE HOA LAND, THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN IT ANYMORE, BUT NOW WE'VE GOTTA MAINTAIN IT IF WE TAKE IT ON. SO THAT MEANS IT'S EITHER GONNA ADD THE MOWING CONTRACT OR WHATEVER. IT'S FLOOD PLAIN LAND. BUT IT IS, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO WALK IT, UH, ONE OF OUR PARKS BOARD MEMBERS IS, IS I LIVES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WILL GLADLY SHOW YOU AND YEP. WE'LL WALK THE TRAIL WITH YOU THAT HE'S, UH, KIND OF CARVED OUT. OKAY. SO IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH IT IN 27? MM-HMM. YEP. THAT ONE WORK. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS NATURE PARK. THAT IS THE NATURE PARK ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 37. THAT WAS, I THINK, RECOMMENDED FROM THE COMP PLAN. I RECALL YES. THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS, UH, FLOODPLAIN SCHOOL PROPERTY, ESSENTIALLY. WE CAN'T DEVELOP IT YEAH. IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. WHAT ARE WE SPENDING 2.5 MILLION ON TRAILS, UH, WAYFINDING, ET CETERA. YEAH. IF YOU DO A PARK, YOU HAVE TO DO BATHROOMS AND PARKING THAT PARKING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. IT HAS TO BE ADA COMPLIANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO IN ORDER FOR THE SCHOOL TO GIVE US THE PROPERTY WHERE WE POTENTIALLY WANT TO HAVE THIS, IT HAS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE. UH, SO WE'VE GOTTA HAVE TO FACTOR INTO THAT, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH SIGNAGE, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH, UH, SOME TYPE OF AMENITY THAT WE PUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF FEATURE THAT WE HAVE THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THAT'S WHAT IT'S AND HOW BIG IS THIS THING? UH, IT'S, THAT'S SEVEN ACRES. YEAH. THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THERE. AND SO THAT KIND OF GOES BACK INTO THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL EXTENSION. SO IT CONNECTING IN YEP. THROUGH THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. OKAY. UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WELL, 1 37 AND YOU'VE GOT, UH, ADAM ORAIN, UM MM-HMM. , BROOKLYN'S AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THOSE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN MM-HMM. ON THE WEST SIDE, THEN YOU GOT THE CREEK. THIS WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. GOT IT. OKAY. THE CREEK AND STARMARK. YES. OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THERE'S THAT, THERE'S THAT TRAIL THAT I ACTUALLY TAKE TO GO DOWN TO STARMARK FROM MY HOUSE, SO MM-HMM. IT'S NOT REALLY A TRAIL, BUT YOU KNOW. YEAH. LIKE, YOU'LL CALL IT ONE GET A TRAIL. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE OLD COUNTY WHO'S COMING AFTER ME. YEAH. COUNTY ROAD. SO YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS MENTIONED OR THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE, UH, COMP PLAN AS ONE OF OUR REGIONAL PARKS, IF YOU WILL, AS WE, UH, DEVELOP OUT. OKAY. SO IS 27 OKAY ON THAT ONE OR? YEP. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MAY GET, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE MAY GET PUSHED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, DEPENDING ON, DEPENDING ON THE MASTER PLAN FUNDING, IF WE YEP. YOU KNOW, IF WE QUALIFY FOR SOME BILLION DOLLAR GRANT OR SOMETHING AND WE WANNA PUSH THINGS FURTHER, UH, BUT THE SCHOOL IS, IS NOT GONNA SELL THE LAND TO MY KNOWLEDGE. UH, IN FACT, THEY'VE WANTED TO GIVE IT TO US. WE JUST HAVEN'T TAKEN OVER BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA TAKE OVER OVER MAINTENANCE OF IT REALLY RIGHT. AT THIS TIME. BUT WE DO HAVE, THEY KNOW THAT WE WANT THAT AS A FUTURE TRAFFIC ACTIVITY AND THEY CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT, SO YEAH. YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT. YEAH. SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP IS CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. YEAH. CREEKSIDE, THIS IS REALLY FOR, UM, JUST THE GENERAL OVERALL PARK IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THE, THE PARKING LOT IS, IS NEEDS MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS. THERE'S SOME FIELDS THERE THAT, UM, [04:20:01] NEED TO GET REDONE. IF YOU'VE EVER, SO IN BETWEEN WHERE CROSS CREEK IS AND THE CREEK IS AND WHERE CREEK SIDE PARK IS, UM, BY THE LIFT STATION, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE DOWN THAT TRAIL YEP. AND YOU SEE ALL THAT TREE RIGHT THERE, THE DIFFERENCE BE, IT'S GONNA BE HARD BETWEEN THE TRAIL AND WHAT THE TREE LINE IS. THERE'S EQUALLY AMOUNT OF PARK BETWEEN THE TREE LINE AND THE CREEK. SO BASICALLY THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF A PARK THAT WE'RE JUST NOT UTILIZING BECAUSE OKAY. WE NEED TO GET IN THERE AND CLEAN IT OUT OR, SO WE WANNA CREATE SOME TYPE OF NATURE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT GOES ALONG THE CREEK. OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA CLEAN OUT SOME OF THE CREEK, UM, TO DO THAT. SO IT'S JUST KINDA ALL MAKING THAT AND WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, MAKING THAT LIKE A CENTRAL TRAIL HEAD AND EXPANDING A PART OF THAT ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF CARL STERN ON UNDER CREEK SIDE THERE HAVING ANOTHER TRAIL HEAD THERE. SO THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD GO BACK BEHIND GLENWOOD AND CONNECTING TO THE UM, OH BY 1 37. OKAY. ALONG THROUGH MCCOY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT. UM, NOW ACCORDING TO THIS, IT'S 27 AND 28. YEAH. IF YOU GUYS CHOOSE TO MOVE IT UP, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, COULD WE PUT IT IN ONE YEAR? UM, OR WE COULD IS THAT, IS THAT A BRIDGE TOO FAR YOU THINK? NO, I THINK IT'S FINE. IF IS IT'S FINE. WE CAN, UM, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT ONE YEAR. WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN? JUST LEAVE IT CREEP. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU GUYS WANNA LEAVE IT AS IS, SPREAD IT OUT AND JUST MOVE ON. IT KIND OF GIVES THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK ON IT IN BETWEEN. YEAH. ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON MM-HMM. . YEAH. AS WE KIND OF FINISHED THE TRAILS, THAT IS KIND OF LIKE OUR LAST ONE TO TRY TO FILL, TO REALLY ONE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT FUNDED. CUZ WE'VE, ALL OUR TRAILS ARE CONNECTING THIS POINT. THIS IS THE ONE POINT WE HAVEN'T FINISHED YET, WE REALLY NEED TO FINISH IT. YEAH. YEP. AND TWO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TIGHTEN DOWN WHAT WE HAVE THERE. YEAH. UM, AS FAR AS MAKING IT ADEQUATE FOR EVERYONE THAT GOES THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOOD WITH, UH, 27 AND 28 FOR CREEKSIDE? YES. YEP. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS MUSTANG CREEK PARK. SO THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, ONE THAT WAS IN, THIS IS THE NEWEST ONE OF OUR NEWEST PARK PROPERTIES. UM, AND THIS WAS IN THE COMP PLAN. AND THIS KIND OF GOES IN OUR LONGER TERM TRAIL CONNECTIVITY CUZ THERE IS A PART OF MUSTANG CREEK THAT COULD GO TO TAYLOR AND SO WE CAN CONNECT INTO TAYLOR. SO THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE FROM TAYLOR COULD COME HERE OR VICE VERSA. SO IT GIVES US MORE ADVANTAGE. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY NORTH TO UNIVERSITY SOUTH TO ADAM ORAIN WEST TO LIBERTY HILL, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT EAST. AND SO THIS IS ONE WHERE WE COULD GO EAST ALONG THE CREEK OR MUSTANG CREEK. NOW, MY BIG CONCERN WITH THIS ONE IS WE'VE GOT STUFF GOING ON THE LIDDEL TRACKS, I BELIEVE ARE THE NAME OF 'EM, AND THEY'RE EATING UP A TON OF LAND UP IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM. . SO US PUSHING IT OUT TO 2028 MEANS THERE'S FIVE MORE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT COMING IN THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE LAND. THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH IT. VALID CONCERN. BUT COULD WE USE WITH OUR, SINCE WE'RE DOING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND THE TRAIL PLANS AND STUFF, COULD WE AT LEAST HAVE THE CONVERSATION WHERE WE KNOW THIS IS POTENTIALLY WHERE WE WANT THAT TO GO? SO THEN WHEN THE DEVELOPERS DO COME, WE GO, HEY, WE, I BELIEVE THAT IS ON OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN, BUT I HAVE TO VERIFY, AND TYPICALLY THERE THAT WE WANT IS, IS CLOSER TO THE CREEK AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T MM-HMM. DEVELOP OR BUILD. THEY'RE LIKE YEAH. PROPER. YEAH. BECAUSE LAND ACQUISITION IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS ONE. THE CONCERN, COULD WE PUSH IT TO 2026, IT'S JUST THE LAND ACQUISITION, IT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CAN WE PUSH IT TO 2026 AFTER THE PARKS MASTER PLAN GO OUT, BUY THAT LAND WHILE IT'S STILL AVAILABLE TWO YEARS EARLIER THAN IT'S HERE. WHY DO YOU WANNA BUY IT WHEN WE CAN ASK THE DEVELOPERS OR SET IT UP FOR THE DEVELOPERS OR HOWEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT LET'S DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IF WE HAVE THE, THE PARKS PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM. , THEN WHENEVER THE DEVELOPERS DO COME, WE'D BE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE TOTALLY FINE WITH THIS, BUT YOU NEED, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DONATE. YEAH. PART OF OUR, AS YOU RECALL, UH, LAST YEAR WE, WE BROUGHT OUR PARKS LAND YEP. DEDICATION PLAN. AND PART OF THAT WAS THAT IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS WITH THAT. YEP. IT WAS JUST A CONCERN OF MINE ABOUT [04:25:01] LAND ACQUISITIONS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STAFF IS FINE MOVING IT UP A YEAR. WELL, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOOD IN 28. YEAH. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M COOL WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT US TO LOSE OUT ON OPPORTUNITIES. THAT'S ALL. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS MUSTANG CREEK. NEXT UP IS SKATE PARK 1 MILLION. YEAH. KIND OF SAME THING WITH THE, THE DOG PARK. DEPENDS ON WHERE FRITZ PARK IS. YEP. IS THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DON'T HEAR A LOT ABOUT, UM, FROM JUST RESIDENTS. WE DO HEAR, WE DO PICK UP SOME ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOMETIMES AS A, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE FAIRLY, FAIRLY SOMETHING TEENS TO DO CONSISTENT. JUST NOT VERY LOUD . YEAH. SO I MEAN, ONCE A ONCE A YEAR WE'LL GET SOMEBODY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT A SKATE PARK? RIGHT. UM, LIKE I THINK EVERY SURVEY WE'VE DONE AS MENTIONED TO ESCAPE. YEAH. BUT IT NEVER, I MEAN, NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, IT'S NOT VALUED. IT'S A GREAT AMENITY TO A PARK SYSTEM. IT'S JUST NOT. YEP. UH, WE, WE WANT IT TO BE ON CIP, BUT IT'S NOT A, A PRIORITY. OKAY. AMONG THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO IT. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU DO A GOOD ONE, THEN PEOPLE WILL GO YEAH. IF IT'S OH YEAH. IT WILL BE MAJOR CLAYS. SO PEOPLE COME FROM OTHER AREAS. EXACTLY. YEAH. CLAY HUDSON AND SKATE PARK, PEOPLE LOVE IT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE ONE IN TAYLOR GETS USED? UH, I DO NOT. I KNOW THE, THE ONE IN BASTROP IS A LITTLE BIT MORE NEWER THAN THE ONE AT TAYLOR AND THAT ONE WAS USED, UM, IT GETS USED DAILY, BUT NOT LIKE 75 PEOPLE. MAYBE 10 OR 20 PEOPLE MAYBE AT ONE TIME. AND THEN IT TURNS OVER AND THERE'S NOBODY USING IT FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS, AND THEN ANOTHER GROUP COMES OF SEVEN OR EIGHT. SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ON AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T THERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT MAYBE 50, 60 PEOPLE A DAY USE IT DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER. AND THAT ONE OVER IN ROUND ROCK THAT IS BY THE TRAILS, IT GETS USED, IT'S CONSTANTLY, IF WE, NO, NOT THE K CLAY MAP, THE OTHER ONE THAT'S, UM, WE WALKED BY IT WHEN WE WERE DOING THE TRAILS OVER THERE, BUT IT'S ON THE ACTUAL LIKE, BIG TRAIL THAT'S ALONG THE RUSHY CREEK. OH. UH, THE ALL ABILITY IS ONE. YEAH. UH, NO, NO, NO, NO. THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. OH, OKAY. AND IT'S BY A BUNCH OF, BY VETERANS BASEBALL FIELDS AND FIELDS I THINK. YEAH. AND SO, UH, SOCCER FIELDS AND STUFF. OKAY. AND EVERY TIME I WALK THAT TRAIL, THAT PARK IS PACKED. YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT VERY POPULAR. THAT'S NOT EVEN A POPULAR ONE. YEAH. WELL IF IT GETS PUT IN FRITZ PARK, IT'S GONNA GET, IT'S GONNA GO WIDELY USED. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF IT GETS PUT OUT AT ADAM ORAY IN THE BACK CORNER, YOU KNOW. YEAH. WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT. BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA GET AS USED AS MUCH INCLUDE DEAD IN THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'D BE A LOT MORE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MARK. YEAH. AND, AND WITH THE PLUG AND PLAY NATURE OF THE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS, MAYBE IT GETS PUT IN THERE AND THEN IT GETS PULLED OFF OF THE C I P LIST. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, HEY. YEAH. AND THE REASON IT IS, UH, LET, I WOULD SAY LET'S LEAVE IT IN SO THAT IT IS STILL ON THE CIP RADAR, SO TO SPEAK. BUT YOU KNOW, I, YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CIP WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FRITZ PARK STUFF LIKE, OH, HEY, PARKS WANTS THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW COUNCIL'S GONNA LOOK AT THE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF THE PLUG AND PLAY NATURE OF MANY OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE SPLASH PAD AND THE TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURT AND SEATINGS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN AREA THERE FOR, FOR ONE OF THESE TYPES OF ITEMS, YOU KNOW, PUMP TRACK OR DOG PARK OR, AND I'M SURE PEOPLE'S VOICES WILL BE, AND AS IT STANDS FOR THAT, IT'S IN 2028. SO IF IT DOES GET INCLUDED, WE CAN PULL IT, BUT IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S STILL ON THE LIST WHEN WE LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON. 20 20, 27. UH, OH, 28. YEP. ON, YEP. SORRY. WORKING WITH THE WRONG LINE. . YEAH. SOUTHEAST SPREADSHEETS PARK, UH, NEXT UP TRAIL EXTENSION. COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL SOUTH. YEAH. THIS IS ONE WE ALLUDED TO EARLIER. THIS IS THE, UH, CONNECTING CARL STERN TO ONE TO 1660. SO GOING BACK BEHIND THE G GLENWOOD SUBDIVISION, CONNECTING IT ALONG THE TRAIL, UH, THROUGH THERE. AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE COTTONWOOD CREEK. SO THE NORTH ONE, THE CREEKSIDE RENOVATION I SHOULD SAY. YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, JUST CUZ OKAY. SO THERE THEY TIE INTO A LITTLE BIT, BUT OKAY. [04:30:01] IT'S DEDICATING THAT TRAIL TO THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. I'M LIKE, ARE THEY THE SAME THING? I THINK WE, WE FACTORED, WE, WE DID SOME, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS, WE DID SOME TYPE OF CALCULATION ON, WE DID THE GOOGLE MAPS, HOW FAR IT WAS, AND WE FIGURED OKAY, BASED ON LAKESIDE ESTATES, WHAT THEIR, THEIR COSTS WERE ON SIDEWALKS. SO WE KIND OF FACTORIZED AND YOU PRESENTED THAT LIKE A MONTH AGO TO COUNCIL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD WITH TRAIL EXTENSION? COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL SOUTH? YEP. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS NORTH, SO THAT'S THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT. THAT'S GOING FROM BASICALLY RSI TO UNIVERSITY WHERE THE END GOAL IS. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA CONNECT TO THERE, HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF YEAH. AND SAME WITH THE SOUTH ONE. WE GOTTA GET THE NAR I THINK OWNS ALL THAT PROPERTY BACK THERE. YEP. AND WE GOTTA SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT LAND OR IF IT'S IN WHAT KIND OF CONDITION IT'S IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S ON THERE AS A, A PLACEHOLDER. WE HAVE OTHER WAYS TO CONNECT THERE, BUT WE JUST, THOSE ARE PREFERRED WAYS. ALL RIGHT. AND LAST ITEM ON PARKS IS SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK. YEAH, I THINK THIS WAS ON THE COMP PLAN. IT WAS IN THE, UH, PARKS MASTER PLAN. AND SO THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, UH, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS WHAT THEY, THEY CALL IT SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK. OKAY. SO THAT OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PART IS FOR JUST THE DESIGN OF IT MM-HMM. . UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY, SO THAT'S WHERE THE ATHLETIC FIELDS GO. OBVIOUSLY THIS THING GETS DROPPED OFF IF THE REC CENTER GOES THERE, THEN THIS GETS DROPPED OFF IF, UH, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS GO OUT THERE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT GETS DROPPED OFF. AND SO, BUT IT IS, IT IS ON THE, IN THE PARKS SMASH PLANET AND ON THE COMP PLANT. SO YEP. IT NEEDS TO BE, OKAY. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ON HERE. LEAVE FOR NOW AND THEN YEAH, LEAVE, LEAVE IT FOR NOW. DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING. AND THE 300,000 IS PROBABLY JUST FOR INITIAL DESIGN. SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT. OKAY. SO, UH, GOING BACK TO PRIORITIZING THIS, UM, NUMBER ONE IS FRITZ PARK HANDS ARE TIED ON THAT ONE. NUMBER TWO IS THE VETERANS MEMORIAL HANDS ARE TIED ON THAT ONE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT JUMPS OUT TO ANYBODY? UH, WELL LET ME, ATHLETIC BUILDS, WERE PART OF A BLONDE ALSO, RIGHT? SO THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. YEAH. LET, LET ME REPHRASE. UH, STAFF SCORING PUT THE COTTONWOOD TRAIL LIGHTING AS PRIOR, UH, GAVE IT A SCORE OF EIGHT, WHICH IS THE SECOND HIGHEST. WELL THE, THE SAFETY MAT FACTOR SAFETY ON THE TOP WOOD TRAILS SAFETY IS SHOULD KIND OF TAKE PRECEDENCE AS WELL. NOW IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET BONDED. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME OUT OF PARKS FUND. SO THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE LOW HANGING FRUIT. WE'RE DOING STUFF PROJECTS. IT MIGHT BE SOME OF THE PORTION OF IT MIGHT BE INCORPORATED INTO FRITZ PARK, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN IT'S NOT, NOT A LOT. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY WANNA MATCH WHATEVER GOES INTO THERE SO THAT WAY WE NOT HAVING TWO DIFFERENT VENDORS OR TWO DIFFERENT SUPPLY COMPANIES, DIFFERENT STYLES. YEAH. SO IT'LL JUST BE ALL THE SAME. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAIL LIGHTING, KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, IT MAY NOT BE, THE ONES ALONG THE TRAIL WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE UPRIGHT OVER, BUT THE ONES AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL PROBABLY BE LOWER JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT YEP. YOU GOING IN YOUR BACKYARD OVERHEADS. YEP. WELL HE SAID THAT THE THREE THAT WERE HIS TOP PRIORITY WERE THE SECURITY CAMERAS, THEN THE VEHICLE, WHICH WOULD DROP BOTH OF THOSE. AND THEN THE DOCK REPLACEMENT BECAUSE OF SAFETY. WELL THOSE WERE IN THE BUDGET ITEMS. SO THEY'RE NOT BLOCKED. THEY'RE PART, YEAH, NOT PART. OKAY. CAN I ASK, UH, I'M NEW HERE. QUESTION. YEAH. YEAH. UM, , GOOD QUESTION. WHY ARE WE PRIORITIZING THESE THINGS? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE THAT THAT SERVES? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS PRIORITIZATION? COUNCIL ASK FOR THAT. DOES COUNCIL ASK FOR IT? YES. DO WE IS OKAY. COUNCIL, ASK FOR US TO PRIORITIZE THE CIPS AND THEN IT SETS UP AND DO WHAT THE COUNCIL ASK AND THEN IT SETS UP WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FOR THE BUDGET. FAIR ENOUGH. AND PROJECTS. OKAY. COOL. YOU REALLY DID. THANKS JIM . OKAY, SO ARE WE OKAY WITH, I'M NOT ASKING ANY MORE QUESTIONS, . THAT'S RIGHT. I'M DONE. NO MORE. ARE WE COOL WITH, UH, COTTONWOOD TRAIL LIGHTING PRIORITY THREE? I MEAN AS A SAFE KIND OF A LOW HANGING FRUIT AND A SAFETY. OKAY. UH, FRONT TRAIL LIGHTING. I DON'T SEE, I DON'T EVEN SEE THAT ON LISTED TRAIL LIGHTING 2020 TRAIL TRAIL TRAIL LIGHTING IS COTTONWOOD AND MER. YEAH, BUT THAT WAS FOR MORE THAN JUST YEAH, IT'S FOR MEGER TOO, BUT IT'S, THAT'S COTTONWOOD AND MA YOU SAID A COUPLE? WELL, UH, YEAH, THERE'S TWO. SORRY. HUDDLE LAKE PARK. [04:35:01] YES. 2 24 DASH P3 1145. YES IT IS. PO 3 20 24 P THREE IS JUST USE THAT DESIGNATION. SO THAT'S NUMBER THREE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UM, NEXT UP WE HAVE SEVERAL SIXES. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 SIXES, SCORES OF SIX, SKATE PARKLAND ACQUISITIONS, SOUTHEAST PARK LAND ACQUISITION, MUSTANG CREEK, LAND ACQUISITION, NATURE PARK, AND THEN THE ATHLETIC FIELDS. I THINK SO. SO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, RIGHT? WASN'T THAT A BOND THING THAT Y'ALL CONFIRMED? YEP. I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. MM-HMM. , I AGREE. THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, ATHLETIC FIELDS 20 20 25 PO ONE. SO THAT MAKES IS THAT, BUT IS THAT GONNA ALSO INCLUDE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? IT MIGHT. IT POSSIBLY. THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. DOES THAT MAKES PICKLEBALL SIX? IT IT MIGHT, IT DEPENDS ON THE PARKS PLAN. YOU MEAN FIVE, WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO GET THE PARKS PLAN MOVED FORWARD. OH YEAH. MAKE SENSE? SO DO YOU WANNA DO PARK'S MASTER PLAN MORE? SO ARE WE GOOD WITH FOUR FOR THE ATHLETICS FIELD? YES. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT THEN PARK'S MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE NEXT. I THINK PARK'S MASTER PLAN NEEDS TO BE NEXT. AGREED. YEAH. SO DO I AND HOW WE'RE, BUT LIKE HE SAID, ARE WE WANTING TO PUT THE, IF WE'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA LOOK AT THE PICKLE BALL FI WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELD, IS IT GONNA BE CHEAPER TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE OR IS IT GONNA BE CHEAPER TO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE NOT LITTLE HERE, LITTLE HERE. CAN WE NOT COMBINE? WELL CUZ WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY DOWNFALL. YEAH. THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ATHLETICS FIELD IS GOING OR IF THE PICKLEBALL COURTS MAKES SENSE TO PUT WITH THEM. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SOME SENSE TO PUT WITH IT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA LIGHT 'EM, YOU GOTTA PARKING, YOU GONNA, RESTROOMS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADD ALL THAT IF YOU'RE JUST DOING A SOLO PLACE TO DO THAT, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THAT KIND OF BUILT IN. YEAH, I SAY JUST ADD PICKLEBALL, COURTS, JUST ADD AND PICKLEBALL, LIKE I SAID, IS ONE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HEAR A LOT ABOUT. BUT WHAT, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY NEXT, MAKE IT AFTER THE PARK MASTER PLAN AT FIVE, LET'S PUT PICKLEBALL AT SIX AND DISC GOLF AT SEVEN. CUZ AT THAT POINT WE'VE GOT IT FIGURED OUT WHERE THIS STUFF IS GOING. WHY DON'T WE MAKE PICKLE BALLS FOR A ? OKAY, LET'S NOT DO THAT. WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO LITTLE, OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE UH, I HAD TO SAY IT. WHAT ABOUT THE FIELD LIGHTING? UH, WE'LL GET THERE. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GOT A TON OF PROJECTS. I KNOW PICKLEBALL SIX. PICKLEBALL SIX DISC GOLF SEVEN CUZ NOW WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT FIELD LIGHTING EIGHT, UH, IT FOR MAYFIELD. I, WE MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT FIELD. I KNOW FIELD LIGHTING SHOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION THAN DISC. CAUSE WE MAKE MONEY OFF THAT. MORE IMPORTANT THAN DISC GOLF FIELD LIGHTING. YEAH. YEAH. WE MAKE MONEY OFF OF THAT. BUT THE FIELD IS ALREADY LIT. RIGHT. THE FIELD, IT'S JUST IMPROVING WHAT WE HAVE. WELL, ONE FIELD WE DON'T, THIS IS POSITION, IT'S NOT ADDING. GOT IT. WELL, IT, IT WILL SAVE US MONEY OVER THE TIME. SO IT'S J'S WRITING WILL SAVE US MONEY ON ELECTRICAL BILLS OVER. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S JUST A SAVE MONEY ISSUE. HAVE, HAVE YOU SEEN HOW IT LIGHTS UP? YES. I'M OVER HERE. THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT IN THE BOND FOR THE MAKER RESERVATIONS RENOVATIONS. CAN WE MAKE, CAN WE MAKE IT EIGHT THEN, CUZ THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S EIGHT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT WAS AFTER WHAT WAS EIGHT OR EIGHT IS BY 24 P ZERO TWO. THAT WAS PART OF THE BONDS FROM 2018. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'LL BE PAID OUT OF PROJECTED OUTTA PARKLAND. SO IT'S NOT REALLY PARK FUND. YEAH. PARK FUND. SO IT'S A REALLY, OKAY. UH, NOT A LOW HANGING FRUIT ALREADY. YEAH. WE PRETTY MUCH HIT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. EVERYTHING FOR 2024 LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN HIT, EXCEPT FOR THE BUDGET ITEMS. THE, UH, WHAT SOME OF THOSE YOU LEFT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, EXCUSE ME. THE ONE THROUGH 13 NUMBERS ARE WRONG. YEAH. BUT YOU LEFT SOME OF THOSE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, SO. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO YOU WANNA HEAR ANY OF THOSE NOW? SO I WANT TO KIND OF HIT THOSE. WE'VE GOT TRAIL EXPANSION FROM CROSS CREEK TO CREEKSIDE TRAIL EXTENSION AT ADAM MORGAN HUDDLE, LAKE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN. I THINK THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN NEEDS TO BE NEXT. YES. AS NINE. AS NINE BEFORE THE DOCK REPLACEMENT. BUT THE, BUT THEN THE DOCK REPLACEMENT IS 10. REPLACEMENT 10, THE VERY NEXT ONE. I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO TRY TO GET THE MASTER PLANS. [04:40:02] I THINK THE BATHROOMS IN OREGON PARK OUT OF COMING THERE A LOT MORE THAN ONE. I DO TOO. BUT VALID POINT. I, I THINK THE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT IS A SAFETY. IT IS. MM-HMM. . NO, WITHOUT A DOUBT. I AGREE. SO ARE WE GOOD WITH 10 FOR WE'RE NOT TOO CONDESCENDING IS WORKING TOO WELL. ARE, IS EVERYONE GOOD WITH HUDDLE LAKE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT AS 10? YES. YES. YES. YEP. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. COOL. ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL YELL AT YOU. DISAGREE. ALL RIGHT, THEN. I KNOW IT'S 2025, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PUT RESTROOMS AT ADAM ORAIN. OKAY. NUMBER 11. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. AND WE, WE WERE GONNA COMBINE THAT WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE. WELL, IT'S PARK FUNDS SEPARATE IT. YEAH. IT'S COMING OUTTA PARK FUNDS, PROBABLY. HOPEFULLY. AND THAT WILL, IF WE PUT RESTROOMS IN, MAYBE IT'LL REDUCE THE COST OF THE ADAM WORKING PARK IMPROVEMENTS. NO, THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. SO THEN DOES A TRAIL TRAILER, LET'S DO THAT. 11 AT ADAM ORGA PARK NEXT. THEN I THINK THE TRAIL EXTENSION AT ADAM ORGA, NUMBER 12 AS NUMBER 12. AGAIN, IT MIGHT REDUCE ATMORE GAIN IMPROVEMENTS. AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST 2024 ITEM IS THE TRAIL EXPANSION FROM CROSS CREEK TO CREEKSIDE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT THE TRAIL MASTER PLAN. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BUDGET ITEM. IT IT IS A BUDGET ITEM. THAT ONE WASN'T A BUDGET ITEM. IF WE'RE PRIORITIZING THIS FOR COUNCIL, THERE WE GO. THAT'S NOT A BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S, THAT WASN'T A BUDGET ITEM. AN ACTUAL CAPITAL. NO. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S, THAT WAS NOT BUDGET. NOT, IT'S NOT A BUDGET ITEM. YOU'RE RIGHT. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG COLUMN. YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP. PLUS NOT 13. THAT IS 13. YES. 13. THAT IS 13. OKAY. SO PUT THAT IN THERE. YES. UH, OR GAIN PARK IMPROVEMENTS IS THE LAST 2025 ITEM. YES. BE 14. 14. WHICH ONE? ORAIN PARK IMPROVEMENT. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. WAS 14 ORAIN PARK IMPROVEMENT. 2025. P3 STEREO WE'RE IN UNISON OR PARK IMPROVEMENTS. ALL I KNOW, I GOT A LOT. 2026. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF 'EM, BUT WE DID BUMP UP HU PARK HUDDLE, HUDDLE LAKE PARK, HUDDLE LAKE RE RENOVATION. WE ALSO HAVE THE TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN. MM-HMM. AND THE TRAIL EXTENSION FOR HUDDLE LAKE SOUTH. WAIT A MINUTE. I GOT TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN. THAT'S NINE. WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE PUT WHICH ONE? WHAT DO WE PUT AS NINE? WHAT? NINE AND THE NATURE MARK NINE. THAT'S THE PART OF IS TRAILS MASTER PLAN. OH, OKAY. I I JUST DID THE WRONG ONE. SO WHAT DO WE THINK? I THINK THE TRAIL EXPANSION DESIGN SHOULD COME BEFORE HUTTO LAKE SOUTH. LET'S PLAN IT, THEN BUILD IT. AGREED. BUT IT ISN'T THE SAME YEAR THOUGH. SO YEAH, I'LL AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. THEY'RE BOTH 26. WHICH ONE? WHICH NUMBER IS THAT? UH, 1526 PO 6 20 26 PO SIX. THANK YOU. YEP. NUMBER 15. NUMBER NUMBER 15. YEP. THERE WE GO. UH, THEN HU UH, HUDDLE LAKE SOUTH TRAIL EXTENSION OR HU LAKE RENOVATION? I, I PERSONALLY THINK THE TRAIL EXTENSION, NOT FINDING IT, HUDDLE LAKE. HUDDLE LAKE RENOVATION IS 2027. BUT WE'RE MOVING PO ONE, BUT WE SHOVED IT A YEAR EARLIER. HAVE TO DO BOTH OF THAT. HE'S, YEAH, CUZ YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO HIM. IT SAYS WHAT, WHAT'S 16? YEAH, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET. OKAY. SO 2026 PO THREE. LET'S PUT IT DOWN AS 16. 20, 27 PO ONE. PUT IT DOWN AS 17. BUT WE DID SLIDE THAT TO THE RIGHT. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A 2026. 16 IS THE HUDDLE. SPLIT IT TO THE LEFT SOUTH. WE'RE HAVE TO THE LEFT TRAIL EXTENSIONS. YEAH. SO THESE ARE GONNA GET ED. I GOT IT. OKAY. S 1616 IS 2026 PO. OH THREE MM-HMM. 17 IS 2027 PO ONE. I HOLD THAT HUDDLE LAKE PARK 1 31. ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS THE BUREY CREEK EXPANSION. HUH? 17. [04:45:01] 17 IS HU LAKE PARK BECAUSE WE'RE DOING LAKE LAKE RENOVATION STUFF TOGETHER. OH, OKAY. OKAY. FOR SPECIAL BRUS. OKAY. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP WE'VE GOT FOUR PRO UH, CORRECTION. THREE PROJECTS IN 2027. TRAIL EXTENSION, BRUSHY CREEK, THE NATURE PARK DOWN BY STARMARK AND CREEKSIDE RENOVATION. I MEAN, CREEK. I HONESTLY THINK WE NEED TO EACH, WE NEED TO DO THE EXTENSIONS FIRST CUZ THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY IN IT. THEY'RE A FASTER, QUICKER YEP. PER YEAR. AND THEN WE DO THE MORE EXPENSIVE AFTER. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO 18 FOR, SO, 18 FOR P 20 OR FOR 2026 P ZERO TWO. WHICH ONE IS THAT AT? UH, BRUSHY CREEK. CREEK EXPANSION EXPANSION. THAT'S 18. OKAY. UHHUH, THAT IS 18. UH, DO WE WANT TO DO CREEKSIDE RENOVATION NEXT OR DO WE WANT TO KEEP DRIVING WITH THE TRAIL EXTENSIONS? I'D DO THE TRAIL EXTENSIONS. TRAIL EXTENSIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S DO COTTONWOOD SOUTH AT 19. AND LET'S DO COTTONWOOD NORTH AT 20. THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG, AREN'T THEY? PROJECT NUMBERS? UH, NO, THEY SHOULD BE RIGHT. UH, PAPER P ZERO FOUR AND P ZERO FIVE. YEP. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. 19 AND 20 RESPECTIVELY. MM-HMM. . BUT AREN'T THEY IN 2028? NOT 20? YEAH, THEY'RE IN 2020. IT SAYS 2026. BUT THEY'RE OUT. YES. 28. YEAH. THERE'S AN ERROR THERE, BUT THEY'RE OVER IN 20, SO WE DON'T WANT THOSE 19 AND 20. NO, IT'S JUST FINE. YEAH. I, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO PUSH THEM FORWARD. OKAY. UH, THAT LEAVES CREEKSIDE RENOVATION, CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, UH, FOR SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT NEXT FOR 2027. ADMIT THAT'S THE LAST 2027 PROJECT. NATURE PARK. THE CREEKSIDE WHERE? UH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MISSED THE NATURE PARK. WHAT ARE YOU TALK THAT'S JUST LAND THOUGH. ARE ARE YOU SAYING NATURE PARK? I, I THINK I WAS SAYING I THINK CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENT NEEDS TO BE NEXT OVER LAND ACQUISITION. BUT CREEKSIDE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THAT, THAT IS PROJECT 2028 P ZERO ONE. I SEE IT. THANK YOU. AND WHAT NUMBER IS THAT? 21. YEP. 21. YEAH. YEP. THANK YOU. AND THEN 22 CAN BE THE NATURE PARK. 2027 P ZERO THREE IS 22. OKAY. WHICH LEAVES? MUSTANG CREEK PARK, SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK. AND THE SKATE PARK. WELL, I THINK PREFERENCE, I THINK MUSTANG CREEK PARK SHOULD BE LAST. SKATE PARK STILL HAS SOME IMPORTANCE CUZ IT'S GONNA GET MAJORLY USED. YEAH. YEP. SO, ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE SKATE PARK AT 23. LET'S DO MUSTANG CREEK AT 24 AND SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK. CUZ WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT'S GONNA GO OR WHAT IT'SS GONNA ENTAIL. THAT'LL DO IT. YEP. SO SOUTHEAST LOOP PARK IS 25 AND THAT'S PARKS. YAY. GOSH. WE MADE IT THROUGH TWO S. YEAH, IT'S WELL PARKS PARKS WAS THE BIG ONE. GET TRANSPORTATION. YEAH. BUCKLE UP. 24 HOUR PLACE TO ORDER CREEK FROM RAINWATER COLLECTION WASTEWATER DISCOUNT. PERFECT. THAT'S GONNA BE METAL DRIVE. OKAY. SO DO WE WANT TO HIT WASTEWATER WATER OR TRANSPORTATION? TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION'S. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S BIG THING IS. LET'S GET THE TRANSPORTATION THAT BEFORE WE GET TO TRANSPORTATION. UHHUH, CAN WE DO THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS? OH. CAUSE THAT SHOULD GO JUST GET 'EM OUTTA THE WAY THE OTHER YES, THAT'S TRUE. THE RAINWATER ZERO ESCAPE DISCOUNT MASTER DRAIN. SURE, SURE, SURE. UM, SO I'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT A PLASTIC DOESN'T EVEN HAVE NUMBERS. RIGHT. THEY WERE CONCEPTUAL ON MY LIST. SO WE GOT RAINWATER COLLECTION UTILITY DISCOUNTS. MY IDEA ON THIS IS CAN WE LEASE RAIN BARRELS LIKE WE LIKE, UH, A C D I LEASES TRASH CANS. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THERE'S A LOT OF HOAS THAT DON'T ALLOW 'EM. WELL, WE CHANGE THE U D C COMING UP. [04:50:01] WE CAN ALSO PLACE SOME BEHIND FENCES. HMM. RAINWATER COLLECTION CAN BE DONE BEHIND A FENCE AND THEN IT SHOULD BE OKAY. UH, AND I THINK THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE STATE LAW NOW. CAUSE I KNOW WITH ZERO ESCAPING HOAS CAN'T. SO THERE COULD BE SOME OTHER THINGS WE LOOK INTO. I DON'T THINK IT WAS ADDRESSED IN, IN ZERO ESCAPING, BUT I THINK THEY DID CHANGE THE LAW. YEAH. THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT I KNOW HOAS CAN'T SAY, BUT FOR THAT WE'VE GOT THREE THINGS. SO RANK THEM. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT I HAD. YOU CAME UP WITH IT AND I THREW IT IN THERE A MONTH AGO. LIKE TO BE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN. NO. OKAY. WELL LET'S DISCUSS IT NEXT YEAR. LATE TWO WEEKS AGO. OKAY. , LET'S DISCUSS IT NEXT YEAR. THAT WORKS? YES. WORKS FOR ME. YOU WANNA DROP DROP IT RIGHT NOW? YEP. WE'RE GONNA DROP IT RIGHT NOW. WHICH ONE? THAT IS THE RAINWATER COLLECTION DISCOUNT PROGRAM. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE ZERO ESCAPEE DISCOUNT PROGRAM. SAME VERSE. WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS YOUR, YOUR, ARE YOU MOVING RAINWATER? WHAT WAS YOUR THINKING ON THAT? 27 TO 25. NO, HE'S DROPPING IT FOR NOW. WE'LL DISCUSS IT. LIKE PUT IT AS A NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR. BE ON THERE FOR US TO DECIDE AGAIN. YEP. ON THE, A MAGICAL TRACKING LIST. Y'ALL WE'LL HAVE NEXT TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. TEXAS PROPERTY CODE PREVENTS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION FROM PROHIBITING THE USE OF RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEM. TEXAS CUP PROPERTY CODE 2 0 2 0.07. GROOVY. COOL. GOOD. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE MR. MORRIS. YOU'RE AMAZING. WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS. THANK YOU JEFF. THANKS JEFF. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BRING US PIZZA NEXT. ALL MADE. NEXT ONE IS TOMORROW BE AT PARKS FOR YOU. NEXT ONE IS ZERO ESCAPES. ZERO ESCAPEE DISCOUNT PROGRAM. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT BEHIND THAT? UM, YEAH, IF YOU ARE USING ZERO ESCAPING, THEN GET A DISCOUNT. YOU GET A $4 DISCOUNT OFF YOUR UTILITY BILL OR SOMETHING. JUST SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU'RE USING LESS WATER, WHICH IS AN ISSUE IN HU YOU'RE USING LESS WATER FOR ZERO ESCAPING. HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, UH, GRADE THAT AND, AND ENFORCE THAT? ARE YOU ALREADY GETTING A CHEAPER WATER BILL? SHOULDN'T THAT BE YOUR REWARD? NO. NO. THE LESS WATER YOU USE, THE DOLLARS PER GALLON GOES UP. I'VE GOT ALL OF MY STUFF SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE, MY WATER BILLS. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE, OH, HE WENT UP OVER 1500. HIS BILL ACTUALLY WENT DOWN. THE RATE GOES DOWN. YES. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS ONE NEXT YEAR TOO. WE CAN NEXT THAT SYSTEM. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. DROP IT, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DROP IT. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S SEE. DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN TWO 50,024. WHO NEEDS PROBABLY IMPORTANT? I THINK THAT ONE'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. OKAY. I WANNA DISCUSS IT BECAUSE MY, MY SEWAGE THAT SO MUCH DRAINAGE ISSUES. SO MUCH DRAINAGE ISSUES. SO ISN'T NOT ON THE WASTEWATER. LET'S DO, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S KEEP THAT IN THERE. YEAH. UM, I, SO WE GONNA WRITE IT NUMBER ONE? WELL, THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION. WE'RE DONE WITH 1.3 . YEAH. WE, I LUMPED IT IN WITH WASTEWATER, BUT I SEE HERE ON THIS IT'S, UH, D ZERO ONE, SO RIGHT. FOR DRAINAGE. YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ON DRAINAGE. CUZ IT'S THE ONLY ONE ON DRAINAGE. YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE. NOPE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO. TRANSPORTATION. UNLESS I MISSED SOMETHING ELSE. NOPE. NOT ON MY LIST. OKAY. ALL. SO STAFF SCORING. WE'VE GOT FOUR ELEVENS ON HERE. 1 32 BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS. LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION. EMORY FARMS ARCH SPEAKING OF EMORY FARM ARCH. WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE CHEMICAL. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AN ARCH ANYMORE. IT'S A REDESIGN OF THE INTERSECTION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE BIG CIRCLE SAID IT'S NOT, THEY WOULD RATHER IT BE LOWER IN PRIORITY. THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THAT CIRCLE THAT TRAFFIC. IT'S GONNA BE A REGULAR TURN. IT'S GONNA BE A REGULAR INTERSECTION AGAIN WITH A COMMERCIAL. YEAH. YEAH. I BUT WHAT KIND OF INTERSECTION? I'M WELL AWARE OF THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE. UM, THEY'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE HEADING WESTBOUND. SO THEY'RE NOT SO THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE ARCH ANYMORE. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WHY IS IT DONE HERE? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PROJECT THAT IT WAS STARTED UNDER. OH, OKAY. [04:55:01] THAT WAS, THE LABEL IS NOT APPLICABLE, BUT THE PROJECT IS STILL THERE. SO IF YOU GUYS NOTICE IT'S REGULAR. IF YOU GUYS NOTICE THERE ARE SOME 20 30, 20 23 YES. PROJECTS. YES. THIS ONE IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. THOSE FOUR PROJECTS THAT SCORED 11 ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. OKAY. WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING MONEY. OKAY. TURNING DIRT THEN NEEDS TO BE 1, 2, 3, MOVING. WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THE ARCH ONE. RIGHT? IT'S ALREADY, WELL, IF IT'S, WE'RE DOING IT, WHY WE CAN'T DO, IT'S PARTIALLY FUNDED NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE PARTIALLY FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR 24 ON THE CIP IF IT'S RIGHT. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. SORRY. ALL OF THESE. AND WE'LL RENAME THAT ONE SO IT DOESN'T SAY ARCH ANYMORE, IT'S JUST THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED AS AN ARCH PROJECT. RIGHT. SO, OKAY. SO THAT ONE'S, I MEAN, DO WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND JUST PULL OUT ALL THE ONES THAT WE VOTED FOR IN 2018 AND PRIORITIZE THOSE FIRST? YES. THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR THING TO DO, IN MY OPINION. WELL, TO DO, WELL THREE OF 'EM ARE BEING ADDRESSED. I MEAN, MY, MY THINKING ON THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY IS WE DO NOT WANT COUNSEL TO STOP THOSE. WE WANT THEM TO FUND THEM IN 2024. BUT CAN WE, WE, THAT'S WHY WE PRIORITIZE THEM. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. YEAH. AT FIVE. OH, OKAY. THERE'S, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LIKE, JUST SKIP IT AND JUST PRIORITIZE 'EM. 1, 2, 3, 4. OKAY. JUST BE WILL DO. OKAY. WILL DO. I I DIDN'T CATCH THAT PART. YEAH. EVERYTHING THAT WE VOTED FOR IN 2018 SHOULD, OKAY, SO THE OVERPASS ONE. YEP. UH, T ZERO SIX IS NUMBER ONE. T 10 IS NUMBER TWO. T ZERO NINE IS NUMBER THREE. T 11 IS NUMBER FOUR. AND WHAT ABOUT, I DON'T HAVE A T T OH SEVEN. I DIDN'T HOR ARCH'S ARCH. WOW. ABOUT THE MEGASITE EAST, WEST ROAD. IT'S, YEP. I READ THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN. NUMBER FIVE. SO HERE I THINK, I THINK THAT'S NUMBER FIVE. ROAD OVERPASS. WONDERFUL. I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP. OVERPASS IS ONE. NEXT PROJECT EDGE SCHMIDT MEGASITE SPINE ROAD, OR ALSO KNOWN AS THE MEGASITE EAST, WEST ROAD OAK. IT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. NUMBER FIVE, THREE. AND THEN EMORY ARCH, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 15 MILLION NEXT YEAR. SO I'M JUST GONNA, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT, BUT WHY IS THE EDC NOT FUNDING THIS? WE'RE FUNDING IT. THEY'RE REFUNDING US FOR SOME ACCOUNTING PURPOSE. I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION. . WELL, MAYBE IF WE FUND THIS, THEY'LL GIVE US THE LAND FOR ALL THE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED TO BUILD. THAT'D BE AWESOME. THEY WILL WE'LL CALL IT A WASH. I MEAN, WELL, I'M ALSO, YEAH, I'M ALSO JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, I MEAN I'M SURE THE EDC HAS A BETTER THOUGHT THAN I DO. I KNOW, BUT I'M ALSO WONDERING WHY WE'RE BUILDING AN ENTIRE SPINE ROAD WHEN YOU HAVE CR 1 32 THAT GOES THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN BORDER, THAT ALREADY IS GOING TO GET EXPANDED AND REUSED. THAT YOU COULD INSTEAD JUST PUT NUMEROUS ACCESS ROADS OFF OF CORRECT. FOR MUCH CHEAPER COSTS. AGREED. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY. UH, THE MAIN REASON IS BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE LANDLOCKED PARCELS BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A DEEP AREA FOR THOSE TRACKS THAT WE NEED SOMETHING TO BUY SEX. SO THAT YOU CAN GET, CUZ THERE ARE OH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. IF YOU LANDLOCKED. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT. SO LAKESIDE ESTATES, WHY DOES THAT NOT HAVE A, A NUMBER FOR 2023? CUZ THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2021. WHAT? LAKESIDE ESTATES SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALK. IT DOES HAVE IT. 20 25 5. THIS. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IT DOESN'T HAVE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MATT. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY DESIGNATED IN 2023 ON HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT IN F Y 2023. SO THAT NUMBER MAY NEED TO GET FILLED IN. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS AN ONGOING PROJECT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE NUMBER SIX BECAUSE WHAT WAS FIVE? IT'S NUMBER FIVE WAS THE SPINE ROAD WAS THE MEGASITE. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT WAS FIVE? THE MEGASITE MEGASITE EAST WEST UNDERNEATH LIVE OAK. UH, REMEMBER. AND WHAT WAS SIX LAKESIDE OF STATE? I THINK SIX SIDEWALK. SIX IS LAKESIDE ESTATE SIDEWALKS. T ZERO FIVE. IT'S THE FOURTH ONE DOWN BECAUSE IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT. IT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. LET'S NOT STOP. IT'S, IT'S HALFWAY AT THIS POINT. YEAH. LET'S NOT STOP IT. THAT'S MY THINKING. ANYONE? I DIDN'T DO THIS ONE. HAVE A COUNTER. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S DO SIX THERE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ARE SOME BOND PROJECTS. DON'T [05:00:01] WE HAVE REALLY QUICKLY WAIT, ISN'T WASN'T, I'M SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. WASN'T FM 1660 NORTH IN LIMMER LOOP PART OF THE BOND? YES. THAT'S NEXT. OH, I'M SORRY. YEP. IT, IT'S MIDNIGHT. I KNOW, I KNOW IT IS. THAT'S NEXT. ISN'T COUNTY ROAD 1 99 ALREADY? THAT'S NOT BEING, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY UNDERWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. I I DON'T. WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR C I P UPDATE, WASN'T THAT INCLUDED? SO CR 1 99, WE HAVE SPENT SOME MONEY ON IT TO DO A GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS. UM, DOES THAT NOT COUNT AS MONEY BEING SPENT IN 23? IT DOES, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE THE, THE QUESTION COMES IN THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE POSTED TO CITY COUNCIL. THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS IT WAS REALLY PUT IN THE 2023 C I P WAS PUT IN TO REPAVE A SECTION OF 1 99 MM-HMM. . RIGHT. AND THEN YOU LEARNED ITS SCRIPT. I, I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THAT AND I SAID, WE HAVE BASE FAILURE HERE. REPAVING OVER BASE FAILURE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YEP. RIGHT. THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. THAT WAS NOT CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID LET'S DO, GO DO THE GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS FIRST JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND GOOD MONEY. RIGHT. TO JUST THROW IT DOWN THE DRAIN. OKAY. THE GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS JUST CAME BACK LIKE LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE PRELIMINARY REPORT. RIGHT. AND JUST LIKE WHAT I ASSUMED, WE HAVE BASE ISSUES, WE HAVE ASPHALT ISSUES. CAUSE IN SOME PLACES WE HAVE LESS THAN AN INCH OF ASPHALT. SOME PLACES WE HAVE ALMOST TWO INCHES OF ASPHALT. SOME PLACES WE HAVE HARDLY ANY BASE. SOME PLACES WE HAVE UP TO SIX INCHES OF BASE. THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT, UH, INDICATES THAT WE NEED AT LEAST TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF ASPHALT WITH 16 INCHES OF BASE. OH MY GOD. YEAH. AND SO LIKE IN REALITY, IF YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT AND WANT IT DONE ONCE, YOU NEED TO JUST REBUILD THE WHOLE ROAD. YES. BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN MY C I P REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED BACK TO ME BY CITY COUNCIL WAS, IS THE COUNTY GONNA HELP US PAY FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD? I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY YET. MY GUESS IS NO, NO, PROBABLY NOT. RIGHT. BILL, SAY OUR ROAD, I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CITIZENS WHO LISTEN TO YOUR UPDATE, WHO ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S GOING, THAT THERE'S WORK BEING DONE, MYSELF INCLUDED. RIGHT. I DRIVE THAT ROAD DAILY AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO FROM A PERCEPTION ISSUE, IT MAY NOT BE FULLY FUNDING THE PROJECT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED OFF OF YOUR UPDATES, THAT ACTUAL MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND WORK IS BEING STARTING HERE SOON. SO I, IT MIGHT BE A MATTER OF SEMANTICS, BUT FROM MY PERCEPTION, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS ALREADY LIKE, WORK BEING DONE ON THIS ROAD. SO, YES. AND, AND I, AND I CONCUR THAT, I MEAN, BA BASED ON COMMUNICATION, IT DID SEEM LIKE THAT, THAT IT WAS TALKED CUZ ORIGINALLY THE COSTS WERE LESS, LIKE YOU SAID. RIGHT. BASED ON JUST A, A RESURFACE. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN BY THE END OF THIS YEAR EVEN. EXACTLY. SO I THINK, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY HIGHLY PRIORITIZED JUST TO KEEP THE COMMUNICATION CONSISTENT. AND AT SOME POINT YOU'LL OBVIOUS, I MEAN, LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED, YOU'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE . WELL I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY A PRIORITY CUZ I DON'T DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY. BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT THE BOND ITEMS FIRST AND THEN THAT'S NEXT. AND I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES, ONES HAVE BEEN VOTED FOR ARE ALREADY, I THINK, THINK THAT'S FAIR. YEP. AND THAT BOND HAPPENED IN 2018, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND SO THEIR FIVE-YEAR-OLD YES. PROMISES THAT BEEN STILL ON TO BE YEAH. YES. BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT 1 99 NEEDS TO BE LIKE NEXT AFTER THE BOND. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT ARE THE BOND ONES THAT ARE NOT ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON NOW? YEP. SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT UP WE HAVE LIMMER 1660 US 79, 16 60. AND THAT IS IT. NO, YOU HAD EXCHANGE IN NO, NO. THAT EXCHANGE IN LUMBER. NOPE. THAT'S NOT A BOND. OH. THE BOND, THE BONDS WERE COUNTED. THE BONDS WERE UH, 1660 NORTH AT LEMER LOOP. UH, 1660 SOUTH AT 79 AND 1660 NORTH AT 79, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE CAN. THOSE WERE, SO THOSE WERE THE THREE THAT WERE, AND THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S NO 20, THERE'S NO 2024. YEAH. SPENDING WASN'T THE 1 32 OVERPASS ALSO. YES. BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. THAT WASN'T ON THE BOND. SORRY. COUNTY ROAD 1 32 WAS NOT ON THE BOND. WHAT WERE THE BONDS AGAIN? THE BONDS WERE COUNTED. [05:05:01] THE, THE TWO BOND ONES REMAINING ARE 2023 TT ZERO TWO NORTH LIMMER AND 1660. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. AND 2023 T ZERO THREE US 79 16 60 SOUTH. THANK YOU. AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT LAMER, UH, YOU GOT SOUTH 79 AND YEAH, 79 SOUTH. THAT'S IT. RIGHT. AND NORTH, NORTH IS NORTH IS ALREADY DONE. YEAH, I KNOW. SO IT'S NOT ON HERE. OH, IT'S NOT, IS IT? OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, SO ARE WE DOING THE LIMMER LOOP ONE FIRST OR ARE WE DOING THE 79 1 FIRST? UH, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YEAH. SORRY. I KNOW WE JUST SAID THAT THE MEGA SITE IS GONNA BE NUMBER FIVE. YES. BUT THIS IS MY THOUGHT. ISN'T 1660 AND LIMBER LOOP IMPACTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO IN COMPARISON, THE MEGASITE EAST TO WEST ROAD MM-HMM. ROAD ISN'T REALLY, I MEAN IT'S IMPACTING PEOPLE. I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THAT, BUT IN COMPARISON. BUT, BUT LIKE, WOULDN'T THIS ONE BE A HIGHER PRIORITY? THIS, THIS IS ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION STARTED PROCESS ON IT. AND SO IF WE STOP PROCESS NOW, WE'RE LOSING THE MONEY OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR ALL THE ENGINEERING, ALL THE THINGS. CUZ THEN IN A YEAR THEY'RE ENOUGH. THEY'RE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I WANT THIS TO BE UP. NOPE. I, I, OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SPINE ROAD BEING THAT HIGH. YEAH. BUT WE KINDA HAVE OUR HANDS TIED. NO, I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. SO WHEN YOU SAY THE SPINE ROAD BEING THAT HIGH, YOU MEAN BASED ON THE STAFF SCORING? NO, BASED ON THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY AND WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MONEY ON THIS. AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL RIGHT. IT'S A GOOD PRIORITY. BUT, BUT IT'S NOT A BUT BUT THAT WOULD BE TRUE OF THE 1660 PROJECTS AS WELL. BECAUSE 1660 NORTH AT LIMMER LOOP IS A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED. WE'RE GETTING READY TO BID THAT NEXT MONTH. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING NEXT. AND THAT'S WHY THOSE ARE NEXT. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT LIMMER, BECAUSE NO RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW ARE USING THE MEGA SITE SPINE ROAD. I THINK THAT'S EAST WEST. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT CHERYL WAS GETTING AT IS THAT 1660 AT LIMMER AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WOULD BE HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THE MEGA SITE ROAD. ABSOLUTELY. PERCENT. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SPENT 1.2 MILLION. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT UP THERE CUZ IT'S ALREADY WELL WE'VE, WE DON'T WANNA MESS UP YOUR DESIGNS AND STUFF THAT HAVE ALREADY STARTED ON IT. I THINK WE'VE TECHNICALLY ALREADY SPENT MORE THAN THAT ON THE LIMMER AND 1660 STUFF. YEAH. SO WE'VE, ON THE 1660 PROJECTS, WE'VE SPENT OVER $3 MILLION. YES. OKAY. SO, BUT IT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE THAT IT'S BEEN SPENT. IT, IT WASN'T LISTED HERE. YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. IT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO BREAK THOSE APART BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. WHICH IS WHY WHEN I PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL, WE SAY WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON THIS ONE, BUT WE CAN TELL YOU ON THE GROUP, WE'VE SPENT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY OKAY. ALL LINKED. WELL THOSE BEING NEXT IS. YEAH. SO DO WE WANNA BUMP, BUMP THE MEGASITE DOWN AM YES. YES, YES. I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD BUMP THE MEGASITE DOWN AND YOU WOULD BUMP THE ONE 30. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 1 32 OVERPASS, BUT ANY BUT 1660 IN LIMB LOOP. IT'S HORRIBLE. THAT'S A TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HORRIBLE. ABSOLUTELY. SO I, I LIVE WITH INSIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION. YEAH. YES. UM, I, MY QUESTION IS, I THINK US 79 16 60 SOUTH IMPACTS MORE PEOPLE. MORE PEOPLE MM-HMM. AND MORE TRAFFIC. MM-HMM. I AGREE. THAT'S FACT TO KEEP IN MIND, IT, IT, IT'S RIGHT THERE AT COUNTY ROAD 1 99 ALSO. RIGHT. OH, IT'S HORRIBLE. RIGHT. THAT HAS IMPACT. IT'S ALL TERRIBLE. ALL SET. EXACTLY. 1660. 1660 NORTH IN LIMMER. NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS HOWEVER, WHICH FURTHER INTO READY TO GO. SO SOUTH OUT OF THOSE TWO, SO SOUTH OUT OF 1660 AND LIMMER AND 1660 AND SOUTH 79, BELIEVE WE GOT 79, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TRAIN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. MOVING MEGA 1660 AND LIMMER IS A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED. WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO GET TDOT TO ALLOW US TO BID IT NEXT WEEK, OR SORRY, NEXT MONTH. SO LET'S DO LIMMER 1660 FIRST SINCE IT'S DESIGNED. OKAY. AND THEN 79 79 IS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, WE'RE GONNA TO GET WITH THE UNION PACIFIC. RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO REPRIORITIZE SOME OF THESE OTHERS THEN. OH YEAH. I CAN JUST DO THAT. SO WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. OH, DRINK MEGAS EIGHT SPINE ROAD. APPRECIATE THAT. IS GETTING PULLED OUT OF FIVE. OKAY. WE ARE PUTTING LIMMER IN AT FIVE AND LAKESIDE IS STILL SIX. PERFECT. IS THAT COOL? WHY ARE WE PUTTING [05:10:01] SIDEWALKS OVER A ROAD? AGREED. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY OVER 50% COMPLETED AND THEY'RE COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND NOW BOND. OKAY. AND IT WAS FROM A THING FROM 2009. OKAY. PROMISED. OKAY. SO, SO MEGA SITE IS NO LONGER FIVE LIMBER LOOP IS FIVE IS FIVE. LAKESIDE STATE SITE, THEN 1660 ER LOOP T2. YES. TWO. THANK YOU. THEN 1660 SOUTH AT 79 WOULD BE NUMBER SEVEN. SEVEN. YEAH. AND THEN 1 99 IS EIGHT, RIGHT? UH, 1 99 IS NOT UNTIL 2025. YES. BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT DISCUSSED. SO ARE A LOT OF THOSE, IT'S NOT ABOUT YEARS NECESSARILY. RIGHT. YEARS DON'T COUNT. SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE SLIDING IT TO THE LEFT ONE YEAR? WELL, IT, OKAY. I THINK THE, I THINK, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO ALIGN PRIORITIZATION WITH YEARS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT NECESSARILY LINES UP ONE FOR ONE. NO, IT, IT'S FINE IF IT DOESN'T. I'M JUST SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT IT SCHEDULED FOR 2025. I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK WE DO NEED TO MOVE IT. OKAY. I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN TOLD TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT ROAD, WE CAN EXPECT IT TO BE DONE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. 2023. OKAY. SO WHICH ROAD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 1 99. 1 99 9. YOU WANNA MOUNT THE ROAD THAT'S OVER THERE. WHERE SIDE, OH, THE ROAD. THE SIDE ROAD THAT GOES OVER TO SIDE. SO IN MY OPINION, THAT NEEDS TO BE SHIFTED TO THE LEFT. I, IF ANYBODY MORE THAN ONCE, LIKE WE NEED TO SHIFT LEFT. YEAH. WE CAN'T SHIFT IT MORE THAN THEY TOLD. WELL, IT'S ALREADY, WELL RIGHT NOW DON'T, ISN'T IT IN THE 2025. RIGHT. SO WE SHIFTED TO 2024. WE CAN'T SHIFT IT TO 2023. I, OKAY, WELL YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I JUST WANTED TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE'S STUFF HAPPENING IN THAT'S T OH ONE. SO THAT'S, ARE WE SAYING THAT THAT'S EIGHT? SO THAT'S 2025 T OH ONE. I'M GOING TO SHIFT THAT BY A YEAR TO THE LEFT. SO IT STARTS IN 2024 INSTEAD 2025. SO THE NUMBERING SYSTEM WILL BE WRONG. RIGHT. SO WE'RE MAKING COUNTY ROAD 1 99 RECONSTRUCTION NUMBER EIGHT. EIGHT EIGHT. YEAH. WHY ARE WE DOING THAT WHEN COUNTY ROAD 1 37 AND 1660, THAT INTERSECTION? I'M, I, I'M SORRY CHERYL, BUT I, I WANNA KIND OF DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT WHEN THAT INTERSECTION IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS. SO, WHICH ONE, SO IS LE ONE, SO IS, SO 1660 LU, ET CETERA. THEY'RE HORRENDOUS INTERSECTIONS. 1 99 IS DAMN NEAR UNDRIVABLE. LIKE, IT, IT'S GONNA RUN VEHICLES EVENTUALLY. OKAY. IT'S WRECKING VEHICLES. OKAY. THAT THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE HE WAS JUST SAYING FINE THAT THERE'S AREAS WHERE IT'S LESS THAN, IT'S JUST THAT WE PROMISED THE, THE PUBLIC WAS PROMISED COUNTY ROAD 1 37 WOULD BE FIXED OUT OF THE BONDS. NO, IT WASN'T. WITH, WITH THE BOND MONEY, IT, THERE WAS ONLY THREE ROADS THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKED. THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE BONDS. MM-HMM. , THEN THIS COUNCIL ASKED P N Z TO UH, BASICALLY RANK THE TOP 10 COUNTY ROAD 1 37 WAS THE FOURTH ITEM ON THAT ITEM THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ALL SEVEN OF THE ADDITIONAL THINGS WERE PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BACK THEN. MM-HMM. COUNTY ROAD 1 99 WAS NOT EVEN ON THE LIST. TONY, I HAVE A, BUT I THINK, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I I, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW I EITHER WAY. BUT ISN'T 1 37 AND FM 1660, ISN'T THAT TIED UP RIGHT NOW WITH TDOT REGARDING THAT ROUNDABOUT YES. AND ALL OF THAT SO THAT, THAT ROAD HAS LESS TRACTION THAN 1 99 DOES. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT HAS LESS WATER, LESS TRACTION. THERE'S LESS WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BECAUSE THEY'RE WAITING FOR TDOT TO CONFIRM IF THEY CAN DO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT COUNSEL ALSO APPROVED FOR 1 37. YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW, 1 37. OKAY. THAT THAT'S FINE. 1 37 AND SIX. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. MATT, AM I, CAN YOU CLARIFY? NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. CLARIFY. NO, I, I WOULD PREFER FOR HIM TO CONFIRM IF I'M CORRECT BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NO, YOU ARE. I MEAN, I DO KNOW THEY WANT TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE. RIGHT? I I DO KNOW THEY WANT TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE. UH, IT, IT, IT, IT'S JUST I HEAR YOU TOO THOUGH. I, I DON'T YEAH, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TONY. I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THAT. BUT I, I DO THINK THAT WE'VE HAD MORE WORK DONE ON 1 99 THAN WE HAVE DONE ON 1 37. THAT'S BEEN MORE CONCEPTUAL. I DON'T SEE 1 37 IN THE BOND . I, I'M, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING NO, I KNOW. I'LL EXPLAIN LATER. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO 2025 T OH ONE IS NUMBER EIGHT. YES. ARE WE PLUGGING THE, THE MEGA SITE EAST, WEST ROAD BACK [05:15:01] IN? I, NO, NOT YET. I WOULD RATHER WORK, WORK ON 1 37. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. AGREED. I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. AGREED. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT'S NEXT? I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T, WELL, I WOULD SAY COUNTY ROAD 1 37, BUT YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M, IT'S UP THERE. AGREE. AGREED. JUST AGREE. ONE SEVEN MAKE IT NINE. MAKE IT NINE, I WOULD THINK. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S 1 37 AND 1660 SOUTH? YES. OKAY. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ALSO ON HERE. I SEE COUNTY ROUTE 1 37 EXPANSION. WHAT, WHAT'S, OH YEAH. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? THAT MEANS THAT SECTION I THINK BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE BRIDGE. I'M SORRY, BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE BRIDGE. EXACTLY. AND SOUTH IS THAT ADDING A LEFT TURN LANE IN SOUTH OF 1660? DON'T KNOW. THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN HAPPENED. WE DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO PUT IT IN. I'M SORRY, WHAT? THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT OH, WE PUT IN, YOU GUYS PUT IN YEAH, WE, WE PUT A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE. I'M LIKE A SO WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? WHEN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CIRCLE AT 1660 SOUTH OR OR 1 37, DID THE CITY TALK TO THE LANDOWNERS AND GET THEIR OPINION ON, OR, OR THEIR FEELING ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT? BECAUSE IT, I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A RATHER LARGE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER LAND OF THOSE OWNERS. THE, ALL OF THE DEVELOPERS ON THE THREE SIDES OF THAT INTERSECTION ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AROUND ABOUT, AND WE DID A PUBLIC OUTREACH THING AT THE SCHOOL FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY TO COME AND, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS WELL. YEAH. THINK THE PUBLIC OPINION WAS AGAINST THE ROUNDABOUT. AND I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT'LL AFFECT THE MOST IS THE BELL YARD SLASH WHATEVER IT'S CALLED OVER THERE. AND TECHNICALLY BASED ON THEIR DESIGN, THEY ALREADY HAD EXTRA SPACE UP FRONT, I THINK BASED ON HOW THEIR DESIGN WAS. YEP. FOR ROUNDABOUT TO GO. SO THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE MAJORLY IMPACTED. WHO IS THAT? ALL, ALL OF THE PROJECTS YOU'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR ANY RIGHT WAY. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE MOST. CUZ IT'S GONNA TAKE A CHUNK OF THEIR LAND. BUT BASED ON THE ENTRANCE DESIGN THAT THEY HAD RECENTLY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM A TON. SO I THINK THEY'RE FINE. THE OTHER TWO ARE JUST GAS STATIONS AND WE'RE GOOD. THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. WELL IT DOES AFFECT, IT CAN AFFECT THE LAND OWNER ON THE CORNER, UH, WHERE THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. , UH, BECAUSE OF, UM, THE WAY THE LAWS ARE WRITTEN ABOUT ENTRANCES INTO THEIR PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND SO IT, BUT THEIR BUT THEIR ENTRANCES ARE ALREADY HAVE TO BE SET BACK FAR ENOUGH. YEAH. I'M SORRY. THEIR ENTRANCES BASED ON THE RULES ALREADY HAVE TO BE SET BACK FROM THE INTERSECTION FAR ENOUGH THAT IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT ANYTHING WITH A ROUNDABOUT. IDEALLY. THAT'S THE PLAN. I, I MEAN, I KNOW A ROUNDABOUT HAS A LARGER YEAH. I'LL SAY YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. BECAUSE TDOT, FOR THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ACCESS OFF OF 1660, TEXDOT HAS ALREADY MADE THEM LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS AND PUSHED THEM SO FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION THAT IT WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE ROUNDABOUT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT HAVE ACCESS OFF OF 1 37, THE CITY HAD ALREADY, BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDERED THE ROUNDABOUT, HAD BASICALLY SAID YOU'RE GONNA SHARE ACCESS MM-HMM. . SO YOU'RE GONNA PUSH EVERYTHING FAR ENOUGH AWAY THAT IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE ROUNDABOUT EITHER. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE 1 37 ACCESS, CUZ THAT, I MEAN THAT WAS AGREED UPON. I, I, I PERSONALLY AM JUST SAYING I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE OTHER PART THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IS RIGHT NOW PHASE TWO OF SOUTHEAST LOOP HASN'T HAPPENED. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING DOWN PHASE ONE, LITERALLY HAVING TO USE R CR 1 37 TO NOW TURN RIGHT ONTO 1660 TO CONTINUE ONTO PHASE THREE. THAT WILL BE DONE SOON AS WELL. AND SO YOU ARE LITERALLY HAVING PEOPLE CUT THROUGH HU TO GET THERE. AND IF YOU HAVE A STOPLIGHT VERSUS A CONTINUOUS FLOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS. THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THE FIGURE OUT WHOSE UTILITY LINES ARE AT THE FIRST PART OF IT. SO THEY CAN'T EVEN BUILD OUT THE FIRST PART. ANYHOW, MOVING OUT. YOU TALKING ABOUT SOUTHEAST BLUES? MOVING ON. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON CIRCLE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE TWO, THREE CIRCLES. NUMBER NINE, WE'RE MOVING ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, SHOULD WE, EVERYONE WANTS THE MEGA SITE EAST, WEST LOWER. OKAY, FINE. WHAT'S NEXT? THE MOBILITY PLAN. WELL, MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE UPDATE. LET'S GET SOME MONEY. YOU REMOVED? YES. NO TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES IS A BIG THING THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING. YEAH. WE NEED TO DO THAT SOON. ALL RIGHT. SO 10 TRAFFIC. THAT IS 10 TRACKING . OKAY. THE MASTER PLAN IS 10 [05:20:01] TRACK WHAT YOU SAYING? YES, EXCEPT STILL BIGGER SITE. OKAY. SO JUST TO BE SURE I'M TRACKING CORRECTLY, THAT'S 10. AND WE STILL HAVEN'T RE-RANK MEGA SITE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WE HAVE NOT SITE, SO IS THERE NO FIVE? CAUSE MEGASITE WAS FIVE? NO, WE TOOK MEGASITE FIVE AWAY AND GAVE IT TO 16. 16. NORTH, NORTH. OH, I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT ONE. LIMMER 1660 GUYS. YEAH. I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD PLUG MEGASITE BACK IN HERE, GUYS. YEP. I MEAN WE CAN PUT IT NOW, I GUESS. YEAH. IN A NOW DO IT NOW WE MAKE IT 11 IN A 40,000 FOOT VIEW. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE, MUCH LIKE THE WATER, WASTE WATER, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THERE, THEN 79 THE CONTRACTS ARE NULL AND VOID. , AND THEN WE LOSE THAT BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT. IT'S 11. IT IS 11. ALL RIGHT. I I DEFINITELY THINK THE INNOVATION AND LIMBER LOOP SHOULD BE THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE OF ALL THE WRECKS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO WE'VE GOT PRE SAFETY. YEAH, PRE SAFETY ONES. WE'VE GOT THE EXCHANGE RECONSTRUCTION, FRONT STREET RESURFACE AND CR 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION. I PERSONALLY THINK CR 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. SO I THINK ME PERSONALLY, 12, 13 AND 14 SHOULD BE LIMBER EXCHANGE, LIMMER INNOVATION, LIMBER HAY BARN, NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER. MM-HMM. INNOVATION. I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS ONE. MM-HMM. , INION, LIMB. LOBE. IT IS RIGHT THERE AT THAT TURN. YEP. AND YOU GET, YOU GET, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? YEAH, TWO THAT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE NUMBER 12. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? AGREE. PERFECT. INNOVATION. OKAY. WHAT WAS 11? INNOVATION? 11 IS MEGA SITE. OKAY. INNOVATION AND LIMA LOOP IS 12. OKAY. INNOVATION, LIMMER AND EXCHANGE. THAT ONE I THINK WE NEED TO GET WITH THE I S D AND DO A SAFE CROSSWALK THING. YEAH. THERE THAT IS RIGHT AT COTTONWOOD ELEMENTARY, WE LOOKED AT THE GYM EARLIER TONIGHT, THE OUTDOOR WORKOUT SPACE. ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC WAS, WE NEED A CROSSWALK TO GET OVER THERE. YEAH, HE HASN'T, HE'S WORKING ON THAT ONE NEXT. BUT THIS ONE'S THE INNOVATION THAT IS 2024. THAT'S 12 T ZERO THREE. I AGREE. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE NEXT. WHICH ONE? 2024 T ZERO THREE. OKAY. LIMMER EXCHANGE. PERFECT. PERFECT. PERFECT. THEN I THINK LIMMER HAY BARN NEEDS TO BE NEXT. AND THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S UH, THAT'S ON THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ALL THE SIDE OF 1660? NO, THAT'S ON THE, UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE 30. THAT'S OUT BY VETERANS HILL ELEMENTARY. YES, YES, YES. THERE WAS A YOU GOT THAT BLIND HILL. YEAH. THERE WAS A HUGE ACCIDENT THERE THE OTHER DAY. YEAH. I THINK THAT ONE, ONE NEEDS TO BE NEXT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING DOWN TO, UH, ONE THING. YEAH. ONE THING I WANNA ADD TO THAT THOUGH IS WE REALLY NEED TO ASSESS A REALIGNMENT OF THAT TO LINE UP WITH LEMONS. THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? IT IS. YEP. YES. OKAY. YEP. IN THERE. LEMONS WASN'T PART OF THE NAME, SO I WAS JUST MAKING SURE. OKAY. YEP. BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE THINKING. THAT ONE'S JUST AS BAD, WORSE THAN HAY BARN ACTUALLY. YES. OH, I REMEMBER. OKAY. SWEET. OKAY. THAT I, YOU HAD IT, MATT. SO FOR, FOR THE 20, 24 PROJECTS, NOW THAT LEAVES EXCHANGE RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE EXCHANGE IS A HOT MESS RIGHT NOW. FRONT STREET RESURFACING, CONSTRUCTION AND CR 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION. SO EXCHANGE BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION, I THINK DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE NEXT. CAUSE I SEE YOU CAN BARELY DRIVE DOWN IT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. WITHOUT, IT'S A MESS. WHICH ONE GETS UTILIZED MORE? FRONT STREET OR EXCHANGE? I THINK EXCHANGE. SO WHEN YOU SAY FRONT STREET, YOU'RE CONSTRUCTION, I'M JUST VERIFYING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PORTION THAT'S TECHNICALLY TURNED INTO CR 1 99? NO. NO. WHICH PORTION DOES THAT MEAN? WHERE SO THIS, THE FRONT STREET IS FROM CARL STERN TO 1660, BASICALLY. OH, OKAY. RESURFACING. WHY DOES THAT NEED RECONSTRUCTION? UH, SO THAT WAS PUT IN THERE BY THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM BASED ON THE RAZ PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX SURVEY. YEP. THAT'S AN OLD ROAD. YEAH. BUT I THINK CONDITION WISE IT'S NOWHERE NEAR AS BAD AS EXCHANGE IS MUCH FOR EXCHANGE. YEAH. IT'S NOWHERE NEAR AS BAD AS EXCHANGE OR 1 99 AT ALL TO EXCHANGE. RIGHT. STILL PASSABLE, I THINK BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY PUT SOME OF THESE BAD ROADS IN. YEAH. THEY JUST WENT TO THE NEXT . [05:25:01] THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA ADD MORE. RIGHT. I'M JUST GONNA PUT LOW THERE FOR NOW. FIGURE S TWO FIVE. UM, SO 15. ARE WE DOING EXCHANGE? I THINK WE'RE DOING EXCHANGE. EXCHANGE, YEAH. I THINK 15 NEEDS TO BE EXCHANGED. OKAY. SO, SO ONE, ONE THING I'M, I'M ASSUMING WE CAN'T GET ANY OF THE DEVELOPERS TO FUND SOME OF THAT SINCE THEY CAUSED MOST OF IT ON EXCHANGE. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK MAYBE THAT SHIP HAS ALREADY SAILED. YEAH, IT'S, MOST OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALREADY, YEAH. PRETTY FAR ALONG, FAR ALONG SINCE THAT. OKAY. THE NEXT THING, AS YOU'RE DESIGNING THAT A RECOMMENDATION, REALLY LOOK AT SOME KIND OF ROAD DIET BECAUSE OH MY GOSH, THAT ROAD IS FRICKING WIDE. RIGHT? LIKE HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOME ROAD DIETING AND SOME BIKE LANES AND A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE AND A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF. STUFF. OH, THAT WOULD BE SO FUN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S CHAOS. YEAH. I'M ASSUMING, MATT, YOU'RE ALREADY DOING ALL THAT RIGHT? HAVE YOU SEEN CALLS? OKAY. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT I'M GONNA BE REAL HESITANT ABOUT DOING BIKE LANES UNLESS WE DO A SHARED USE PATH. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M HOPING TO SQUEEZE INTO THAT PROJECT IS A ROUNDABOUT TO FIX THE LIVE OAK DEBACLE THAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU. HMM. OKAY. ROUNDABOUT WAY FRONT STREET RECONSTRUCTION IS 16. THEY MISS WHAT'S 16 SCREWED UP AND MISALIGNED. THE, OH, THAT'S WHAT I ASKING. FRONT STREET, FRONT STREET 16. YES. THAT WORKS. YEAH. YES. ALL RIGHT. UH, MOVING ON CR 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION. CAN I ASK JUST A PAUSE, JUST A SECOND TO ASK MATT, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF COLLISIONS AT 79 AND EDGE SCHMIDT HERE IN THE LAST, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE, IN THE WORKS OR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT MAKE IT SAFER? UH, SO WE HAVE A STUDY GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE EDGE SCHMIDT. BUT IF THEY'RE, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT'S ON 79 ITSELF, WELL CAN WE PUT THAT'S, THAT'S A TEXT STOP THING AND CAMPO WAS STUDYING THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR. OKAY. I JUST, JUST DON'T IN, CUZ WE'VE HAD TWO COLLISIONS THERE THAT HAVE ADDED TWO HOUR DELAYS. OH MY GOSH. IT WAS HORRIBLE. THE AFTERNOON LUNCHTIME CARS. YEAH. AND I WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST A CURRENT EVENT. YEAH. I JUST SEEING IF THERE'S ANYTHING. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO, UM, I, NEXT ITEM FOR 2024, LAST OF THE 2024. OH, I'M SORRY. IS CR 1 63 RECONSTRUCTION. THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE. RIGHT. SO WHO'S THIS DEVELOPER THAT'S POSSIBLY WANTING TO HELP? WELL, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE POSSIBLY WANTING TO HELP. SO THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE. SO 1 63 FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T AWARE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE BROOKLYNS ARE AND FARLEY AND, AND RAY 1 63 IS THAT GRAVEL ROAD, THAT OLD COUNTY GRAVEL ROAD UHHUH THAT RUNS ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY THERE. AND THEN THERE'S A, HELP ME WITH THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING GOLA, BROOKLYN'S AND GOLA. NO, I'M SORRY. IT IS BETWEEN GOLA AND BROOKLYN'S. IT'S THE BETWEEN BROOKLYN'S, ANGOLA, OH. UM, HERITAGE MILL, NORTH AND SOUTH HERITAGE MILL. SO HERITAGE MILL, WHEN THEY CAME IN, WE TOLD THEM THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO PAVE THE ROAD AND THEY POINTED OUT THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE THE BROOKLYN'S PAVE THE ROAD. AND SO AND SO THEY SAID IT'S NOT FAIR, WE SHOULD ONLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR HALF. AND WE ARGUED THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE HALF OF A GRAVEL ROAD AND HALF OF AN ASPHALT ROAD. AND SO AS KIND OF A COMPROMISE, WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MAKE YOU A DEAL. THIS IS A DEAL OF A CENTURY. YOU PAY US TO BUILD YOUR HALF OF THE ROAD FOR YOU. WE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR FUNDING TO BUILD THE OTHER HALF OF THE ROAD AND THEN IT'LL BE A PAVED ROAD. OKAY. THAT'S HOW THIS CAME ABOUT. IS HERITAGE FARM. HERITAGE MILL, HERITAGE MILL. ARE THEY, HAVE THEY EVEN DONE SITE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING OUT THERE YET? NO. OKAY. BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE OF THEM MOVING FORWARD ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT. YES. THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY SENT IN A SAMPLE CROSS SECTION OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE ROAD SHOULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY. AND WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THEM FEEDBACK AND SO NOW THEY'RE RUNNING THROUGH ENGINEERING TO GIVE US COST ESTIMATES ON WHAT THEY THINK THEIR HALF OF THE COST SHOULD BE. WELL THEN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING NUMBER 17. SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IS THERE ANY OTHER FORM OF ENTRANCE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME IN FROM ANOTHER? CUZ WE WERE TOLD THAT, UM, BOTH THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN ON 1 38 HAD TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE FROM 1 38, EVEN WITH THE [05:30:01] CONSTRUCTION GOING ON. AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED. SO IF THESE HAVE ANOTHER OPTION, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE PRESSING IF THEY CAN CUT IN WITH ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO. SO THEY, THEY ARE RESTRICTED ON THE SOUTH YOU HAVE THE, UM, CREEK AND SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ACCESS ON THE SOUTH, ON THE WEST. IT'S 1 63, WHICH IS A GRAVEL ROAD ON THE EAST. I THINK THEY CONNECT STRAIGHT INTO GOLA. SO THERE'S NO ROAD THERE FOR THEM TO GET ACCESS TO. AND THEN ON THE NORTH IT'S 1660. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING 17. OKAY. NEXT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 2020 FIVES. UH, WE'VE GOT ALLIANCE EXPANSION, INNOVATION EXPANSION, UH, THAT ALLIANCE EXPANSION. SORRY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN, I'M NOT IN ORDER. I'M SORRY. UH, ALLIANCE. YEAH, THERE YOU ARE. OH, I AM, YOU'RE GOOD. UH, MY, MY NUMBERS ARE OFF ON THIS ONE. OKAY. UH, ALLIANCE EXPANSION, INNOVATION EXPANSION, 1660 NORTH EXPANSION CR 1 37 EXPANSION AND ED SCHMIDT EXPANSION. I JUST HAVE TO ASK WITH SOME OF THESE EXPANSIONS AND, AND I'M, I'M MIGHT BE JUST BE SO TIRED, I FORGOT. BUT YOU ALREADY HAD THESE DEVELOPERS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE RIGHT OF WAY AND GENERALLY THEY DID, BUT THEY ALSO PAID THEIR FEES, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES FOR THESE EXPANSIONS. SO ALLIANCE FOR EXAMPLE, WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED TO BOTH DEVELOPERS ON BOTH SIDES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE AWARE THAT THEY WERE PAYING, I GUESS, THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT FOR US TO BUILD OUT THAT ROAD. SO THE FUNDING SHOULD BE THERE. RIGHT. AS PART OF THAT, THOSE FEES, THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR FEES YET. ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE YOU HAVE THE EVO DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. UM, THEY HAVEN'T PAID THEIR FEES. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN GOT THROUGH PERMITTING YET. AND ON THE WEST SIDE YOU HAVE THE IRONWOOD DEVELOPMENT. YEP. AND THEY JUST DID GET THROUGH PLATTING. SO THEY HAVEN'T, UM, HAVEN'T FEES PERMANENT BUILDING PERMIT. SO WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THEM RIGHT UP FRONT. YEAH. THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS A LOT OF THESE THINGS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ON HERE BECAUSE STATE LAW IS CHANGING. IF IT'S NOT IN THE CIP, IT NOW RESTRICTS SO THAT STAFF CANNOT REQUEST RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE DEVELOPER IF IT'S NOT A, UH, PROJECT IN THE CIP. NO, I, NO, AND I'M GLAD IT'S IN THE CIP. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING I'M, BUT THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING. SO IF YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE THINGS POP INTO CIP, IT'S ALSO STATE. I'M LOOKING AT THE FUNDING PIECE THOUGH. I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT FUNDING IS STILL COMING FROM THEM AND WE'RE NOT BUDGING IT OUT OF THE CITIZENS' POCKET. WE ARE STILL TRACKING WHERE ALL THE MONEY'S COMING FROM. WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT SETH WORKING KIND OF LIKE A HEAT MAP OF WHERE'S THE MONEY GONNA COME FROM. OKAY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY CUZ IT COMES IN A BUILDING PERMIT, IT'S AFTER WE ALREADY KIND OF KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPERS WANT TO ENTER INTO SOME SORT OF COST SHARE AGREEMENT OR CREDIT TYPE AGREEMENT MM-HMM. WITH THE CITY SO THAT THEY CAN TRY TO NOT HAVE TO PAY THOSE FEES. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED. BUT YES, WE ARE TRYING TO COLLECT THE FEES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ON THOSE EXPANSION PROJECTS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SHOULD GO FIRST? WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER 18 NOW. UM, ED. ED SCHMIDT MAJORLY NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. YES. AGREED. UM, AND THEN CR 1 37 DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. OKAY. IN MY OPINION. I'M KIND OF IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WITH THAT ORDER AS WELL. MM-HMM. LIKE 1 37 WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIX. AND 1 37 JUST ADDING A TURN LEFT TURN LANE. RIGHT. I THINK. YEAH. AND IT'S GETTING IT REP PAVED AND EVERYTHING CUZ IT'S A PRETTY BAD ROAD. YEP. ED SCHMIDT IS WHAT? 18 M SMITH IS 18. EDGE SCHMIDT IS 18 CR 1 37 IS 19. OKAY. 18. QUESTION 1660 NORTH 20. WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, UH, 1660 SOUTH EXPANSION? THAT'S, IS THAT FROM 79 TO NO, THAT'S FROM 1 37. THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I THREW IN LAST MONTH SAYING FROM ONE 30 PASS THE WASTEWATER 1 37 PASS WASTEWATER PLANT TO THE SOUTHEAST LOOP. YEAH. THAT'S GOING TO BE HEAVY TRAFFIC. WE NEED TO GET THAT [05:35:01] EXPANDED. YEAH. BUT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS, I MEAN IF IT WAS THREE YEARS AWAY, BE DIFFERENT BUT WELL THE 1660 SOUTH IS IN 2026. THAT IS THREE YEARS AWAY. OKAY. NEVERMIND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO 1660 NORTH, NEXT 20, THAT'S 20. AND THEN ALLIANCE OR INNOVATION, I THINK ALLIANCE NEXT AND THEN INNOVATION. YEP. I'M GREAT. GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH. ALLIANCE ALLIANCES FIRST AT 21. YES. 21 FOR ALLIANCE. 22 FOR INNOVATION. SO THAT LEAVES CAMERA 1 32, 1 33 EXPANSION. NOW WE'RE INTO, THAT'S THE CARL STERN EXPANSION. SORRY, THE CARL STERN EXPANSION. CARL, OH THERE IT IS. 26, SORRY. UH, SICK OUTSIDE ONE 30. AND LEMUR CONNECTION IS FIRST. I THINK THAT'S TALKING ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF UH, UM, PAST CROSS CREEK AND PAST LENAR. I'M ASSUMING NAR SUPPOSED TO BE FUNDING THAT. SO I DUNNO WHY IT'S ON HERE. NO, I I MEAN I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT I THINK THE CARL STERN EXPANSION IS BASED ON WHAT WAS IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, WHICH INDICATED THAT WE NEEDED TO WIDEN CARL STERN FROM CHRIS KELLY ALL THE WAY THROUGH CROSS CREEK, WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE. YOU, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I MEAN THE PAVEMENT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD TECHNICALLY MAKE IT A A FOUR LANE BUT THEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE TURN LANES. THERE'S NO MORE SPACE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY WIDEN THE ROAD. WELL NOT THERE IS, I THOUGHT WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAVE SOME IN THE EXISTING AREAS. CROSS CREEK WILL BE A PINCHED BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME EXTRA SPACE. BUT I MEAN THAT WHOLE SECTION IN LEGENDS BASED ON WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE, YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHT AWAY TO EXPAND THE ROAD. IT'S UP TO THE YEAH. I THINK THAT ONE'S MORE GONNA BE HOW ARE WE GONNA FIT EVERYTHING IN? CUZ WE HAVE SIDEWALKS BUT WE DON'T HAVE 'EM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. THERE'S GONNA BE UM, IT CAN ALL BE IMPROVED AND PROBABLY FUNCTION BETTER. YEAH. I MEAN AGAIN THAT SOUNDS AMAZING CUZ THAT IS ONE OF OUR OWN LEE EAST, WEST CONNECTORS IN THE CITY. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. BUT I JUST DON'T PHYSICALLY KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA EXPAND THAT TO MAKE IT, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T HAVE ROOM TO MAKE IT A FIVE LANE. THAT'S FOR DANG SURE. RIGHT. AND IT'S ALMOST MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE TURN LANES THAN MM-HMM. AND FOUR LANES THROUGH THAN THROUGH LANES. YEAH. WELL AND THERE'S EVENTUALLY, UM, WITH ALL THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING OVER DOWN ON IN LAKESIDE, LIKE, UH, EAST OF LAKESIDE, KAZ IS SUPPOSED TO EVENTUALLY CONNECT FROM 1 37 ALL THE WAY TO ONE 30 TO GIVE ANOTHER ACCESS POINT OUT OF THERE THAT EAST TO WEST. MM-HMM. , I MEAN THAT'S STILL DOWN THE ROAD CUZ IT'S ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I KNOW THAT'S ON THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN. ALL RIGHT, WELL THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE 2026. THEY'RE OUT OF THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN. WE'VE GOT 1 32, 1 33 EXPANSION. SO THAT IS THE ROAD NORTH OF LIMMER UP TOWARDS UNIVERSITY. WE'VE GOT 1660 SOUTH EXPANSION. THAT'S FROM 1 37 TO THE SOUTH EAST LOOP. WE'VE GOT THE CARL STERN EXPANSION, JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. AND WE'VE GOT, UH, CONNECTION AT LIMMER AND ONE 30. THAT ONE'S NEXT. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT ONE'S NEXT. ONE 30 AND LIMMER. I AGREE. I THINK THAT ONE'S NEXT WHEN IT'S ON THE STAGE. WHEN YOU SAY ONE 30 AND LIME, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY PUTTING ADDITIONAL, FINISHING OUT THE EXIT LANES? HUH? FINISHING OUT THE EXIT, LET'S SAY ONE 30 IN LIMMER. WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR FUNDING? SO IF YOU'RE ON, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACCESSING ONE 30? YES. RIGHT. OKAY. WE, I DON'T, WE, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THAT IN A CIP WHEN IT'S A STRAIGHT TECH DOT FUNDING? IT WOULDN'T BE ADOT FUNDING IN ORDER FOR YOU IN FRONT. IN ORDER FOR THE THEM TO CONSTRUCT FRONTAGE ROADS OR ADDITIONAL RAMPS, THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS TO PAY THE TOLL AUTHORITY TO DO A STUDY, A FINANCE STUDY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT WAS GONNA COST THEM IN MONETARY LOSSES. THEN THE CITY HAS TO CUT A CHECK TO THEM FOR THAT AMOUNT AND THEN THEY GET APPROVAL FROM TDOT TO GO DESIGN AND [05:40:01] CONSTRUCT THOSE ROADS AND THEN TURN THEM OVER TO TDOT FOR, UM, YES. SO FOR FRONTAGE ROADS, MAINTEN AND EXIT RAMPS, THEY ARE FUNDED BY THE CITY? YES. MM-HMM. , IF WE WANT TO ADD THEM TO THE TOLL YES, THEY WOULD'VE TO BE FUNDED BY THE, MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE TOLL, THEY CAME TO THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME TOLD 'EM NO, I DIDN'T WANT THE SERVICE ROADS. THATS AWESOME. THAT THEY WOULD'VE PUT 'EM IN IF 2022, 2002, 2003 THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EARLY WHEN ONE 30 WAS BEING PLANNED OUT. YEAH. BEFORE 2005. YEAH. OH, YES. YES. THAT'S IN. OH MY GOSH. NEVERMIND. IT'S DEFINITELY IN 14, 15, 16, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, I BELIEVE. 14, 15, 16, I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND. AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BACK THEN, THAT WAS WHEN THE ORIGINAL, I ORIGINAL WHEN ALL THE ORIGINAL, SO NOW THAT I HAVE TO PROCESS THAT ASININE THING, I JUST HEARD , UM, ON TOP OF THAT FOR 20, FOR LESS THAN 3 MILLION. THAT'S NOT FUNDING THE RAMPS. SO WHAT IS THAT FUNDING? THAT'S FUNDING THE, THE STUDY. THAT'S JUST THE STUDY. MM-HMM. , THE TOLL AUTHORITY STUDY THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO CUT A CHECK FOR TO JUST DO THE STUDY, TO PAY THE TOLL AUTHORITY FOR IT. THAT'S A BALLPARK NUMBER YES. OF WHAT IT WOULD COST THEM TO DO THEIR STUDY, BUT IT'S WORTH IT. BUT BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S NO WAY, RIGHT. THERE'S, IT GETS MORE PEOPLE OFF OF ALL THE LITTLE SIDE ROADS AND ALL THE LITTLE, CUZ ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OVER TO AND HAVE YOU GONE YEP. AND DRIVEN DOWN THAT ROAD AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE COME AND JUST GET ONTO THE TOLL RIGHT THERE. AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE MADE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND THEIR OWN EXITS. MM-HMM. . IT'S, IT'S SCARY. IT'S VERY MUCH NEEDED. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THEY COME AND THEY GET ON THAT ROAD, NOT, NOT GOING VERY FAST. AND YOU'RE GOING 80. YEAH. AND YOU'RE GONNA HIT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY CAUSE A HUGE ACCIDENT. YEP. YEAH. WE NEED TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE ABOVE 79 TO I'M JUST, I I, I LOVE THAT. BUT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE REALISTIC SIDE OF THIS. IF WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING 3 MILLION JUST FOR THE FEASIBILITY, I COULD NOT IMAGINE HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO BUILD OUT THE RAMPS. SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN AT, UH, 2020 SEVENS, 2 0 4. THAT'LL GIVE YOU SOME IDEA. THE COUNTY WAS GOING THROUGH THIS SAME EXERCISE, AND SO THOSE NUMBERS CAME OFF OF THE COUNTY STUDY. OH MY. BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS TALKING TO TEXDOT ABOUT ADDING FRONTAGE ROADS 20 MILLION ALONG ONE 30. AND THAT'S PROBABLY, WHICH SECTION IS THAT SPECIFICALLY? THAT'S 6 89. SO TO 79. TO 79. WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION, RIGHT. THAT THOSE ROADS ARE POINTLESS. THERE IS NO POINT EVER PUTTING THOSE IN. WELL, THEY'RE ALSO TOLL YOU HAVE TO PAY. NO, NO. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT THE FRONTAGE ROADS YOU, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, MAKE IT A, MAKE IT A TURN LANE. MAKE, ITS, AT THAT POINT, 18 MILLION IS NOT WORTH PAYING TO SAVE PEOPLE. 70 CENTS. AGREED. SORRY, I'M, I'M, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION I'M TRYING TO PROCESS. WE'RE SPENDING SOME MUCH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS ON THE, THE, UM, IT IS WHAT IT IS THOUGH. THIS IS ONE OF THE SURVEYS FROM THE IT IS, BUT I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO ALLEVIATE SO THAT THE SH ONE 30 LIMBER CONNECTION I GET, WE CAN PAY 3 MILLION FOR AN ASSESSMENT, BUT THEN IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY 20 TO 30 MILLION TO BUILD EXIT RAMPS. YEP. OFF OF THERE. BUT AT LEAST BUT TDOT'S BUILDING IT. NO, NO, NO. WE ARE PAYING IT. WE WOULD BE BUILDING IT. TEXDOT WOULD OWN IT AND MAINTAIN IT ONCE WE BUILD IT, BUT WE PAY IT. THAT'S THIS IS A LITTLE NEED IT. WE TURN IT OVER TO THEM. YEAH. IF THEY BUILD IT, IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. I KNOW. TO TAKE IT OVER AND THEN MANAGE IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE REALLY NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THAT. IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND 3 MILLION, WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT WE, THAT THE VALUE IS THERE. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I, I GET THE CUT THROUGH, BUT INNOVATION RIGHT NOW IS, IS A SMALL ROAD AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT'S LITERALLY CLOSE ENOUGH TO PARALLEL ONE 30. IT'S A FRONTAGE ROAD. YOU COULD BUILD THAT UP AS A FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THEN YOU NO LONGER NEED A FRONTAGE ROAD, AND THEN YOU NO LONGER NEED THAT SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND EXIT SET BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE SHORTLY AFTER. BUT HAVE YOU BEEN TRYING TO GET ONTO ONE 30 FROM 79 IN THE MORNINGS GOING SOUTH? OH YEAH. IT'S HORRIBLE. I GOTTA RECONFIGURE THAT TOO. AND YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD MORE TO THAT WHEN POTENTIALLY, I, I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AT THE COST. BUT I MEAN, IT'S THE COST OF, OF GROWTH. LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RECONFIGURE THAT HOLE UNDER THE, THE TOLL. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE US DO IT, SO. WELL I KNOW, BUT I, I, [05:45:01] YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST PREPARING. IF WE'RE SPENDING 3 MILLION NOW FOR 20 TO 30 MILLION LATER FOR THAT, WE JUST HAVE TO REALLY, REALLY MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACTUALLY ALLEVIATING ENOUGH OF A HEADACHE TO SPEND 30 MILLION ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN MANAGE AT THE END AND STILL GETS TOLD MM-HMM. . SO I'LL PAY THE EXTRA 70 CENTS. WAS THIS THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I PAID THIS INCLUDED IN THE BOND, GOT FOUR 18 OFF RAMP. I DON'T NEED ANYMORE. WAS THIS INCLUDED IN THE BOND? NO. IN 2018 THIS WAS NOT, NO PART OF THAT. NONE. NONE OF THIS WAS IN THE BOND. IT SO IT WASN'T LIKE VOTED DOWN? NO, IT WAS, IT JUST WASN'T IN THERE. IT JUST WAS NOT IN THERE. OKAY. I THINK IF YOU WERE TO ASK PEOPLE, NOW, I DON'T LIVE OVER THERE, SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, PEOPLE WHO LIVE OVER THERE FEEL LIKE THERE'S A HUGE NEED BASICALLY. YES. AND SO, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I THREW THIS IN THERE AS A, UH, CONCEPTUAL SIX WEEKS BACK OR WHATEVER. YEAH. BECAUSE IT HAD POPPED UP PRETTY HEAVILY ON SOME SURVEYS, SOME CITIZEN SURVEYS. RIGHT. SO IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THIS. LET'S THROW IT IN HERE. MAYBE WE CAN, MAYBE WE PULL IT OFF. MAYBE WE DON'T, BUT SO WHERE DOES THIS LAND IN THE PRIORITY WELL, OF THE OTHERS, WE JUMPED AHEAD. SO LET'S JUMP BACK. WELL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LIMMER CONNECTION AND THEN WE WENT INTO THE OTHER, BUT RIGHT. IT'S ALSO ON THE 20 SIXES, SO WE DIDN'T JUMP AHEAD AND IT'S THE FIRST ONE ON THE 20 26 1. I'M JUST SAYING WE'LL LEAVE IT AT FIRST. , I'M SORRY. JUMPED AHEAD WITH THE FRONTAGE ROAD THING. YEAH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FRONTAGE ROAD. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO, SO YOUR FOUR THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING STILL ARE, ARE ONE 30 IN LIMBER CONNECTION. CARL STERN, 1 32, 1 33 AND 1660 SOUTH, SOUTH. SO THE 1 32, 1 33 EXPANSION. IS ANYBODY ELSE PAYING PART OF THAT, THE COUNTY OR ANYTHING? ARE WE MEGASITE DOING ALL THAT? SKY BOX? IT'S NORTH OF MEGASITE. YEAH, IT'S NORTH OF IT'S NORTH. I'M SORRY, NINE. YEP. I'M JUST, THAT'S, I'M THINKING THE ROAD SECTION. YEP. THAT'S REALLY WE NEEDED TOO WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING OUT THERE. YEAH. YEP. WITH YAL TRACK THAT'S REALLY NEEDED AND MUSTANG PARK AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THAT UP TO 23. WOULD YOU PUT THAT ONE BEFORE THE LIMMER LOOP AND ONE 30? YES. I WOULD PUT EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT. MM-HMM. , THAT'S, I THINK I WOULD KEEP THE ONE 30 LIMMER CONNECTION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ASKED FOR BY SO MANY PEOPLE. NO ONE'S, NO ONE'S LIVING OUT ON 1 32, 1 33 TO ASK, HEY, THIS NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ISN'T THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MORNINGS, SO I MIGHT BE OFF. RIGHT. SO IF I'M DRIVING ON 1 32 AND I CROSS 79. YEP. THAT'S, ISN'T THAT MER LANE OVER THERE THAT THAT GETS, THAT GETS UP TO ME ONCE YOU CROSS LIMMER. THIS IS, IT'S BEYOND THAT. SO THIS WOULDN'T FIX ALL THE RIGHT CRAP AT MER. EXCUSE MY FRENCH, BUT, OKAY. YEP. OKAY. I, OKAY. I'LL GET IT NOW. THANK YOU. YEAH. THERE IS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON OUT THERE. THERE'S HOUSES OUT THERE. OKAY. IT JUST HASN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING ABOUT IT. I THINK WITH THE 1660 NORTH EXPANSION, IT GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, CUZ MORE PEOPLE CAN GET OVER TO 1660 NORTH AND HEAD DOWN. UM, AND, AND CHANDLER ROAD IS GETTING READY TO START DOING ITS EXPANSION FOR THE NEXT PHASE. SO I I JUST, YEAH. THIS, THIS WOULD BASICALLY RUN FROM MEAGER AND, UH, HU ELEMENTARY ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? YEAH. UP TO THE LANDFILL LIGHT ON CHANDLER. OKAY. IT, IT BASICALLY RUN UP THAT WAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ONE 19 AND CHANDLER INTERSECTION'S ON THERE. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN YEAH, THAT'S A CITY INTERSECTION. YEAH. YEAH. GO THROUGH. WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONFIGURE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WHEN WE GET THROUGH OUT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ONE'S UP. LET'S MAKE IT THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA YES. POINT FIVE, WE'RE GONNA, LET'S GET THROUGH, UM, WHAT OKAY. ARE, ARE WE SAYING WHAT CR 1 32, 1 33 IS 23? NO, NO, NO. I WOULD BUT SH ONE 30 AND LIMMER IS 23. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. BUT I'M HEARING OPPOSITION TO IT. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. WHICH, WHICH ONE, BEFORE WE DO THOSE, CAN WE POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THE ONE 19 CHANDLER INTERSECTION AND MOVE IT UP A YEAR? BECAUSE THAT'S A SCARY INTERSECTION [05:50:01] RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE STILL NOW LOOKING THREE YEARS OUT AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SERIOUS ACCIDENTS THERE. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . IS THERE MANY, MANY, MANY. IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR WHOEVER OWNS CHANDLER TO MAKE IT THE FOUR LANE ANYTIME SOON OR NOT? SO THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON THE NEXT PHASE OF THEIR CHANDLER ROAD EXPANSION. I DON'T KNOW THEIR TIMELINE, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. CAUSE THEY'VE TALKED TO US MULTIPLE TIMES. THAT'S THE THING THAT COULD BE DEPENDENT BECAUSE IF THEY WORK ON THE EXPANSION, THEY'RE GONNA ALREADY HAVE TO PUT A SIGNAL BASED ON TRAFFIC WARRANTS AT THAT INTERSECTION. OKAY, FINE. WELL, I'M, NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S DEPENDENT ON THEM. CAUSE IT'S GONNA WARRANT A SIGNAL. NO, I, IT'S DANGEROUS. I HATE THAT INTERSECTION. PEOPLE GET, I ALMOST GET HIT ALL THE TIME. LET'S REEL IT BACK IN. IT'S ONE. LET'S, YEAH. COME ON GUYS. ALL RIGHT. 1 32, 1 33. 24. 24. WHAT WAS, SO WE DID THE CONNECTION AS 23, UH, LIMMER CONNECTION 1 30 23. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 1660 SOUTH EXPANSION. THAT'S BETWEEN 1 37 AND SOUTHEAST LOOP 25, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A TON OF TRAFFIC. MM-HMM. I 25. DO YOU THINK THAT DESERVES TO BE 25 OVER THE CARL STERN EXPANSION? YES. BECAUSE THE CARL STERN EXPANSION IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON DEVELOPMENT EAST OF YEAH. SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO YOU ADDED THE CARL STERN EXPANSION IN AND I TO THE, TO THIS I'M PRETTY SURE. RIGHT. AND YES, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY WHICH SECTION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PORTION EAST OF 1660 AND I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PORTION WEST OF 1660. YEAH, I WAS, I WAS ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, I THINK, NO, I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE MEREDITH LENAR AND TWO THE EAST AND, AND THEN EVENTUALLY GETTING CARL STERN TO CONNECT SOMETHING TO SOUTHEAST LOOP. TO THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AREA. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THE REASON, THE REASON I HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IS, I MEAN, MARRIAGE ALREADY PAID FOR THE ONE PORTION AND I'M PAYING IT BACK. LENNAR ALREADY PAID FOR THE NEXT PORTION AND THEY'RE PAYING IT BACK. RIGHT. UM, AND SO IT'S ALREADY HEADED, IT ALREADY MAKES IT ALMOST TO 1 32 IF IT EXPANDED DOWN. RIGHT. AND IT'S THREE LANE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S TWO LANE. OH. OH, IT'S TWO LANE. OKAY. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT EITHER. OKAY. SO IT SHOULD BE BIGGER IF IT'S GONNA CONNECT TO SOUTH. YEAH. WE ALSO HAVE A BRIDGE, SO IT'S NOT GONNA GET BIGGER. RIGHT. UM, AT ONE POINT, GETTING, GETTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN OUR MERITAGE, IT CAN BE IFIED, IFIED, IT CAN BE BIG . YES. I DON'T LIKE THAT WORD. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE PUT THE LANGUAGE TO CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THERE. THE OTHER THING THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS EARLIER TO NOTE IS WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY DID THE 1660 NORTH EXPANSION AND NOW WE'RE TALKING 1660 SOUTH VERSUS CARL STERN. SO 1660 NORTH AND 1660 SOUTH ARE NOT OUR ROADS. JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRACKING. BUT ONCE WE ADD GOLA AND HERITAGE MILL, ARE WE GONNA BE FORCED TO TAKE THAT OVER? NO, THAT'S A TEXT OUT ROAD. THEN IT'S A TDOT ROAD, THEN REMOVE IT. WE, WE ONLY TAKE THE ROADS OVER WHEN WE'RE ANNEXING FROM COUNTY ROADS. TDOT WILL MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF 1660 UNLESS WE AGREE TO TAKE OVER 1660. FROM WHAT IF, WHAT IF WE REROUTE 1660? THE 1 32 AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, IT'S A FARM TO MARKET. WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING THAT WITH TXDOT. TDOT IS EVALUATING THE POSSIBILITY. MM-HMM. . BUT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, DOING A FUTURE SWAP, ONCE THE 1 32, 1 33 CORRIDOR FROM 1660 SOUTH TO CHANDLER IS COMPLETED, THEN POTENTIALLY THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH TAKING THAT ON AS THEIR NEW ROAD AND GIVING US OLD FM 1660. WE'LL TALK ABOUT, OKAY. DIG IT UP. SO THEN, SO WHY ARE WE IN CHARGE OF INTERSECTIONS IF WE'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE ROAD? ONE, WE'RE NOT. WE'RE IN, WE'RE FIXING A PROBLEM THAT'S IMPACTING OUR CITIZENS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE FIXING THE 1660 AT 1 37 ROAD. THANK YOU. AND MAINLY IF WE'RE JUST DOING THAT, CUZ IF WE WAIT ON TDOT, IT MIGHT BE WE WOULD BE WAITING A LONG TIME. THAT'S CAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF SMALL ROADS IS WHAT THEY TELL EVERYBODY. GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, HOW ABOUT IF WE DROP 1660 SOUTH EXPANSION AND 1660 NORTH EXPANSION? UH, YES, IT WAS 22, WHICH THEN WOULD DROP, BUMP EVERYTHING UP ONE, WAIT, 1660 NORTH WAS NUMBER 20. WE'RE ONLY NOW ON A 25. SO IT REALLY ONLY BUMP UP. ALL RIGHT. SO LET, OTHERWISE LET'S DROP, UH, PROJECT [05:55:01] NUMBER 2025 T ZERO FOUR AND 2026. T ZERO FOUR. 2025. T ZERO TWO BECOMES 20 20, 25. T ZERO THREE BECOMES 21, 20 26. T ZERO ONE BECOMES 22, 20 26 T ZERO THREE BECOMES 23. DO I NEED TO GO OVER THAT AGAIN? YES, PLEASE. NO, NO, I GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. , PLEASE. YES. 25 T ZERO THREE IS 21 INNOVATION EXPANSION. OKAY. WHEN I'M WAKING UP 2026 T ZERO ONE, WHICH IS ON YOUR OTHER PAGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I YEAH. IS WE GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. YOU GOT IT. COOL. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP CARL. STERN EXPANSION. SO I, I WOULD SAY, NOW THAT WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT THIS IS TO THE EAST, I'M PRETTY SURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN NAR AND THE 1 32 IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN CONFIGURED YET, BUT I THINK THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NORTH SOUTH ROAD JUST TO THE SIDE OF LENNAR ANYWAY. MM-HMM. . SO I'M THINKING THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, I MEAN, BUT, BUT IS CARL STERN GOING TO CONTINUE EASTWARD? I'M NOT. CARL STERN WILL CONTINUE TO WHATEVER NORTH-SOUTH ROAD GETS PUT IN OFF OF 1 32. BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT CONTINUES. WHAT'S THAT ROAD NOW, BRIAN? LIKE WHEN YOU GO PAST ON CARL STERN PAST LENNAR AND YOU HIT 1 32 MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE TO GO, YOU HAVE TO TURN LEFT ONTO 1 32 OR KEEP GOING STRAIGHT ON THAT. LIKE WELL, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO RIGHT NOW, CARL STERN AUTOMATICALLY TURNS INTO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD STREET BECAUSE, BUT I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO EVENTUALLY ACTUALLY GO STRAIGHT, RIGHT? YES. UM, DOESN'T HIT A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET RIGHT NOW YOU'VE HIT INTO 1 32, 2 GOES STRAIGHT WHERE YOU'RE, I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BRANSON IN BRANSON. YOU TURN IT LIKE TURNS INTO WELL, YEAH. TURNS INTO BRANSON. I'M SAYING I THINK THE FUTURE IS YOU DON'T TURN INTO BRAN. KEEP GOING. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'S SUPPOSED TO. RIGHT. OKAY. STREET GOT IT. WEST CONNECTION BEYOND THAT. OKAY. I GET IT. I'LL PROBABLY FOLLOW THIS. LET'S HOPE AT ALL A LITTLE ROAD THERE ANYWAY. YES, THERE IS OVER TO ONE 30. YEAH. SO THE GREEN, THE GREEN DOTTED ONE IS, THAT'S A FUTURE ROAD, RIGHT? UM, GREEN. OH YEAH. IF THEY'RE DOTTED THEY'RE FUTURE. YEP. IF THEY'RE SOLID, THEY'RE EXISTING. SO THE, WELL, SO THE, SO THE ALIGNMENT FOR CARL STERN IS ALREADY VERY WRONG RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM. BECAUSE OF NAR MESSING IT UP. UM, LOOK AT HER EYE, BUT IT WILL CONNECT. SO THE PLAN IS IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY TO CARL STERN WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO 33 49. THE SOUTHEAST LOOP. SOUTHEAST LOOP, YEAH. MM-HMM. . DAMN. THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN. THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON HERE. SO THAT WHOLE PORTION IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? YES. OH, DAMN. OKAY. THAT WAS WRONG. SO THE COST PROBABLY STILL IS 10 MILLION THEN LIKE YOU HAD, SO GONNA BE NUMBER 24. THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. THERE GO. SO THAT'S 24. ALL RIGHT. LAST FOUR TRANSPORTATIONS. 24. CARL STERN, CARL ONE 19. AND UH, WHAT ARE WE DOING, CARL? STERN? UH, DAMMIT. WE WERE GONNA MOVE ONE 19 UP. WHAT? NO, WE DECIDED NOT TO CUZ OF THE OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THESE ARE ALL NICE TO HAVE MENTIONED IN THE, UH, UH, COMP PLAN SURVEY. DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL LOGISTICS OF IT. I THINK THESE ARE PROBABLY ALL DROPS. NO, I, I WILL FLAT OUT SAY TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE MAINTENANCE, DOESN'T IT GET HANDED OVER WHEN WE HIT A CERTAIN POPULATION WHEN WE HIT 50,000 PEOPLE? YEP. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ANTICIPATION IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , THAT'S THE YEAR WE THINK. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHY I PUT IT IN THERE. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR ASHLEY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU BETTER WHAT YEAR WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA CROSS THAT THRESHOLD OR LIKELY NEXT OR OFFICIALLY. SO THERE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE IT OFFICIALLY OR BASED ON PERMITTING. SO WE'LL HAVE THE APPROXIMATE LONG BEFORE THE CENSUS UPDATES US MM-HMM. . UM, SO THE CENSUS JUST CAME OUT, SO I'M THINKING CENSUS WON'T ACTUALLY DO ANY, UH, EVEN MID UPDATES FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS. SO, BUT WILL, SO YOU'RE TALKING 27. [06:00:02] WELL, I THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY ACCURATE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE FIRST. SO IF MM-HMM. , SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE CENSUS AND THEY COME OUT WITH SOMETHING IN 2025, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE THERE. IS TRAFFIC SIGNAL MADE? IS AN OPERATION ACTUALLY A C I P ITEM? ISN'T IT MORE OF A LET'S PLAN IN THE BUDGET? RIGHT. I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY GO INTO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE PROBABLY NOT WAY PAST EITHER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO THAT AS A STAFF OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONTRACT IT OUT. OKAY. SO IT'S A BUDGET ONLY, SO WE NEED TO PROPERLY MOVE IT. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA DROP, UH, 2027 T OH FIVE I NO T OH ONE. YEAH. TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE. YEAH. CHANNEL OR INTERSECTION. NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DROP THAT . YEAH, CUZ TECH DOTS GOING TO YEAH, TECH STOCKS ARE DOING IT. GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA WIDEN IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO APPROVAL ON A, WE CAN'T EVEN, YEAH, WE CAN'T EVEN START TO THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL THEY DO THEIR THING. I DIDN'T WANT TO DROP IT. WE'RE GONNA DROP. WE WERE SAYING TO DROP T OH ONE. YEAH, BUT WE'RE TEXT. I KNOW, BUT HE SAID FIVE TIER ONE'S DROPPED. I AGREED. SO I WAS LIKE, NO. NO. OKAY. NONE OF THAT . SO WE'RE GONNA STICK A PIN IN, UH, UH OR WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UH, SORRY, ONE 19 AND CHANDLER, THAT'S 25. YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. CAUSE IT'S STILL A GOOD PRIORITY. OKAY. ONE 30 FRONTAGE PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN. ARE WE DROPPING IT OR ARE WE PUTTING IT AS A 26? WE'LL PUT IT. WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE U-TURN BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE U-TURN. I DON'T THINK THE U-TURNS EVER HAPPENING. ASHLEY'S EXPLAINED THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT INTERSECTION TO ME BEFORE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER FUNDING A U-TURN THERE. NO. NO. OKAY. I MEAN MAYBE LET'S, UNLESS WE DO, SO LET'S DROP IT. YEP. SO WE'RE DROPPING THE U-TURN. I MEAN, IT'S NEEDED, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER FUNDING IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE NOBODY CAN EVEN AGREE WHO OWNS THE INTERSECTION. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHO OWNS THE UTILITIES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT AREA, SO. YEP. SO THAT ROAD'S NEVER GONNA BE BUILT. OKAY, SO LAST ONE THEN IS 20 27, 2 0 4. FRONTAGE ROAD BETWEEN 6 89 AND 79. PROBABLY NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. DROP IT. IT'S NOT NEEDED. I'M IN FAVOR OF DROPPING IT. OKAY. YEAH. AND DONE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S DROPPED. TRANSPORTATION'S DONE. TRANSPORTATION'S DONE. OH MY GOD. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO WATER. IT'S REALLY, REALLY LATE, MATT. UM, LET'S ZIP THROUGH THIS. YES, I KNOW IT'S REALLY, REALLY LATE. UH, YOU HAD A PRIORITY. WAS IT FOR WASTEWATER? YEAH, WASTEWATER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO WASTEWATER. YEAH. LET, LET'S DO THE WASTEWATER THEN BEFORE I ON IT RIGHT NOW, BEFORE WE GET TOO LOOP BEFORE WE GET HOME. YEAH. YOU HAD, YEAH, BEFORE WE HAD MUCH, MUCH MORE LOOPY. UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TAKEDOWNS AND, UH, LIKE BROOKLYN'S AND BRUSHY CREEK AND ALL OF THESE, AND I JUST DID NOT CAPTURE WHICH ONE GOES FIRST BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD A VERY SPECIFIC SEQUENCE FOR THESE. YEAH. SO WE NEED, THE SEQUENCE NEEDS TO BE THAT WE FINISH BRUSHY CREEK THREE, WHICH IS PARTIALLY TO BEING HELPED WITH A BY DEVELOPERS FOR GOLA AND MERIT, OR NOT MARRIAGE HERITAGE MILL. GOTCHA. UM, AND THEN ONCE THAT ONE IS GONE, THEN WE NEED BRUSHY CREEK FOUR. BRUSHY CREEK FOUR IS NUMBER TWO IN YOUR SEQUENCE. GOT IT. BECAUSE THEN ONCE YOU HAVE BRUSHY CREEK FOUR, THEN THAT FREES YOU UP TO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THE BROOKLYN'S LIFT STATION. THE FARLEY LIFT STATION. OKAY. SO BROOKLYN'S IS NUMBER THREE. UH, FARLEY IS NUMBER FOUR. YEAH. MM-HMM. , UH, NO, NO, THESE, THESE AREN'T PRIORITY. I'M, I'M GETTING HIS SEQUENCE DOWN. OKAY. OKAY. UM, HAD TO ASK HIM ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE MOVED ON. LET'S SEE. UM, WASN'T THERE LIKE, UH, COULD HAVE SWORE THERE WAS ONE OTHER ONE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S, BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT IT, FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S AT AND ABOUT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE. WAS IT THE LANDING OR COTTONWOOD CREEK? UM, [06:05:03] OH, ONCE YOU HAVE BRUSHY CREEK FOUR, THEN THAT ALLOWS AVERY LAKE TO HAPPEN. OKAY. SO IS THAT THIRD IN YOUR SEQUENCE OR IS THAT FIFTH? UM, DO YOU NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE TAKING DOWN BROOKLYN'S? NO. OKAY. SO WE'LL PUT IT IN BROOKLYN'S, FARLEY AND AVERY ARE ALL INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE ALL RELIANT ON BRUSHY CREEK FOUR, UH, BROOKLYN'S PART FOUR. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. COOL. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED. FIVE IS AVERY LAKE. FIVE IS A, WELL, IT'S SEQUENCE, IT'S NOT PRIORITY. YEAH. WE'RE NOT PRIORITIZING YET WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW. IT'S FIVE. YEAH. SEQUENCING. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3 WASTEWATER PROJECTS WITH A SCORE OF 15, A STAFF SCORE OF 15. THEY ARE 20, 23 WW OH THREE, THE UV SYSTEM UPGRADE. WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT 833,000 ON THAT. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER HALF MILL TO GO THAT SHOWS WE'RE DOING 4 MILLION THIS YEAR. OH, WW THREE. MM-HMM. SURE. YOU'RE NOT ON ONE. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. LOOPY. LOOPY. YEP. WE'RE GETTING THERE. ALL RIGHT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOUTH TREATMENT PLANT DESIGN AND, UH, 6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY DESIGN AND EXPANSION AND 6 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY CONSTRUCTION. THOSE ARE OUR THREE TOP, UM, THEY SCORED IN THE TOP BECAUSE THEY ARE, UH, ALSO PART OF T C E Q COMPLIANCE. SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO DO THESE. UM, YEP. I WOULD SAY LOW HANGING FRUIT IS THE WW OH THREE. OKAY. SO LET'S GET, LET'S MAKE THAT PRIORITY ONE. ONE. WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY. W W OH THREE. OKAY. WHICH IS THE 2023 W W OH THREE W W T P E V SYSTEM UPGRADE. YEP. THAT'S THE UV SYSTEM UPGRADE. AND THEN IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO DO DESIGN AND EXPANSION, WHICH IS WW OH FIVE BEFORE WE DO CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS WW OH SIX. SO THERE WE GO. ONE, TWO, AND THREE BANG. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE SCORING A 12 MEGASITE, UH, UH, MEGASITE LINES ALONG 79 WW OH SEVEN. OKAY. SOUTHEAST LOOP INTERCEPTOR WW 11 AND BRUSHY CREEK INTERCEPTOR PART THREE, WHICH IS SEQUENCE NUMBER ONE AT WW 10. WE'VE ALREADY DROPPED 4 MILLION INTO THE MEGA SITE. YEP. SO WHY WAS GLENWOOD LISTED AS W W O ONE THAT'S BASED ON THE WAY THEY WERE BUILT INTO THE 2023 C I P. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED AS 2023. HER FIRST W W ONE. IT WAS THE FIRST. YEAH. OKAY. IT WAS HOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO, BUT THAT'S HOW YOU GUYS PRIORITIZED THEM LAST YEAR. YEP. GOTCHA. SO I JUST KEPT THE SAME. 2023 WW ZERO ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK MEGASITE? MEGA NUMBER FOUR AS NUMBER FOUR? YEP. SOUTHEAST LOOP INTERCEPTOR VERSUS BRUSHY CREEK. INTERCEPTOR WW SEVENS FOUR. YES. MATT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SOUTHEAST LOOP OR BRUSHY CREEK, BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH TIED AT 12 FROM STAFF SCORING. WELL, WE'VE ALWAYS, WHY SO HIGH LAST YEAR AND IT'S NOT HIGH THIS YEAR. LIKE WHY, WHY IS THAT GETTING BUMPED DOWN NOW? GLENWOOD GLEN STATION, GLENWOOD LIFT STATION, IT WAS JUST THE FIRST PROJECT LISTED ON LAST YEAR'S. YEAH. P OKAY. DOES DOESN'T, THE PRIORITY DOESN'T, UH, REFLECT ON THIS. [06:10:01] THAT'S JUST THE, UH, PROJECT TAG IF YOU WILL. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY SOUTHEAST LOOP WATER INTERCEPTOR WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR SHOULD BE FIVE. WHERE THAT MONEY ON IT? BRUSHY CREEK. ALL RIGHT. VERSUS WHICH ONE? LET'S DO IT. OKAY. SOUTHEAST LOOP IS NUMBER FIVE. SOUTHEAST LOOP WW 11, NUMBER FIVE. BRUSHY CREEK. INTERCEPTOR PARK THREE. WW 10 IS NUMBER SIX. ALL RIGHT. THEN NOW LET'S GO BACK TO GLENWOOD BECAUSE THERE IS A MEGA SITE LINE REPLACEMENT, BUT THAT DOESN'T POP IN AND WE DON'T START THAT UNTIL 2024. GLENWOOD IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. YEAH, LET'S KEEP IT GOING. YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE SEVEN. LET'S MAKE WW 0 1 20 23 WW ZERO ONE NUMBER SEVEN. THEN WE'LL MAKE 2023 WW ZERO EIGHT MEGASITE LINE REPLACEMENT NUMBER EIGHT. HOW ABOUT, UH, MEGASITE WASTEWATER PHASE TWO? YES. OKAY. IF, IF THAT IS 2023 W W O EIGHT. MM-HMM. IT IS. THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON HERE WITH, OKAY. 2023 W O EIGHT IS MEGASITE WASTEWATER PHASE TWO. THERE WE GO. YEP. THAT IS EIGHT. OKAY. 1, 2, 2. UH, WE GOT 1, 2, 3. JUST THREE. YEAH, JUST THREE. UH OH. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS PAGE? WE'VE GOT 3, 20, 24 PROJECTS. MM-HMM. , WE GOT LAKESIDE FORCE, MAINE. GEEZ. IF, IF WE DO 20, 24 W W OH ONE MM-HMM. , THEN WE SHOULD DO W W OH THREE AS THE SECOND. OKAY. AND THEN WW OH TWO AS THE THIRD. OKAY. SO W OH IS NINE, NINE S NINE. MM-HMM. , BRUSHY CREEK INTERCEPTOR. PART FOUR IS NINE, AVERY IS 10. AVERY LAKE IS 10, LAKESIDE IS 11, LAKESIDE IS 11. WHY ARE YOU MAKING AVERY LAKE 10 AND NOT NINE? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE YOU GOTTA DO, BROOKE. THAT'S THE SEQUENCE THAT HE, YEAH. SO AVERY LAKE IS ACTUALLY SEQUENCE THREE, AND THEN I'VE GOT AVERY FARLEY TAKE DOWN, OR, UH, SORRY. BROOKLYN'S TAKEDOWN IS FIVE. AS FAR AS SEQUENCING GOES, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO THE PRIORITIES. WHOLE BUNCH. OKAY. SO, SO NINE WAS, UH, DIFFERENT. NINE IS WW OH 1 20 24. W W OH ONE W W OH THREE IS 10. YEP. OKAY. AND W OH TWO IS 11. OKAY. UH, NEXT UP IS 2025 PROJECTS. WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. UM, WE'VE GOT A REALLY BIG ONE WITH THE CENTRAL TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION, BUT I'M NOT SURE, MATT, WHAT KIND OF STRATEGY DO YOU THINK HERE? SHOULD WE GO FOR LITTLE PROJECTS FIRST OR IS THIS A COMPLIANCE ISSUE? IT'S A COMPLIANCE ISSUE. OKAY. THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT THE PLANT FIRST. YEP. THEN LET'S MAKE 2025 W W O TWO, NUMBER 12. OKAY. AND THEN I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR SEQUENCE FOR THESE OTHER LINES. NOPE. OKAY. SO LET'S JUST GO. OKAY. STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST. THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. SO WE'RE DOING MEADOWBROOK FIRST, OR, UH, OR ARE WE DOING IT BY THE NUMBERS? UH, BY THE NUMBER. OKAY. UH, WW 2025, W W OH ONE WILL BE 13. W W OH THREE WILL BE 1404 IS 15, [06:15:01] AND OH FIVE IS 16. OKAY. FOR 2026, WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, I THINK IF I CAN COUNT RIGHT, I'M SEEING EIGHT NUMBERS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. EIGHT. EIGHT. COOL. UM, WE'VE GOT TWO SEQUENCED. THAT'S BROOKLYN'S AND FARLEY. SO I WOULD SAY LET'S MAKE THOSE 17 AND 18. OKAY? MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'VE GOT BRUSHY CREEK, INTERCEPTOR, AVERY LAKE, INTERCEPTOR, SOUTH FORK, MUSTANG CREEK, INTERCEPTOR 1, 1 30, 15, AND 18 INCH LINE AND COTTONWOOD CREEK INTERCEPTOR AND LANDING INTERCEPTOR. THAT WOOD CREEK LOOKS PRETTY BIG. THAT'S 17 MILLION. YEAH, THAT'S LIKE A 17,000,001. LET'S, WHAT DO YOU THINK MAKE THAT 19? I WOULD, THAT'S, IS THAT A COMPLIANCE THING? ALSO? IT'S NOT A COMPLIANCE THING NECESSARILY, BUT COTTONWOOD CREEK IS KIND OF THE HEART OF THE CITY. AND SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO CAPACITY. AND TCEQ IS NOT GONNA MAKE US UPSIZE THAT LINE, BUT IF WE WANNA CONTINUE GROWING THROUGH THE HEART OF THE CITY, THEN WE NEED TO PUT A PARALLEL LINE IN. SO DO WE NEED TO, AND WE'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING IN 2026 IF WE'RE NEAR CAPACITY. UM, SO WHEN I LAID ALL THIS OUT, I JUST LAID IT OUT SO THAT LIKE, I TRIED TO BALANCE OUT THE MONEY AS BEST I COULD. AND SO WHEN I HIT A STOPPING POINT, I WENT TO THE NEXT YEAR. AND SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF HOW IT FELL OUT IN THE, ARE WE AT RISK THOUGH, MATT, OF HAVING ISSUES? IF WE DON'T YES, BUT THAT'S TRUE EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. , WE'RE BEHIND . OKAY. WE'RE GONNA MAKE, OKAY, SO W 2026, WWO SEVEN, LET'S MAKE THAT 19. GOT THAT ONE. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE'VE BEEN AWAKE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT DOWN THE LINE AGAIN. I KNOW. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WWO OH THREE IS 20 WWO. OH FOUR IS 21. WAIT, WHAT? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS 20? UH, W OH THREE BRUSHY CREEK INTERCEPTOR PART FIVE. OKAY. UH, 21 IS WW OH 4 22 IS WW OH 5 23 IS W W OH SIX AND 24 IS W W OH EIGHT. AND THAT TAKES CARE OF WASTEWATER? YES. SWEET BABY. JESUS. OKAY, WE JUST HAVE WATER. ONLY THING LEFT IS WATER FOLKS, WE'RE ALMOST DONE. GOOD. GOOD. CUZ I'M ALMOST OUTTA WATER. SO THAT'S HOW THERE'S A BUBBLE MAT. THERE'S A BUBBLER IN THE HALLWAY. NO, NO, WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THESE . OKAY. WE'VE GOT JUST A FEW HERE. OKAY. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME HELP WITH THIS SHILOH NOAC THAT'S IN CONSTRUCTION FRAME SWITCH IS IN CONSTRUCTION ALREADY. OKAY. SO THERE WAS, THERE'S NO NUMBERS ADDED IN THERE FOR 23. I WILL CHANGE THAT, BUT ALL RIGHT. I CAN TELL YOU THOSE WERE BOTH IN CONSTRUCTION TODAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, LET'S MAKE 2023 WO THREE, NUMBER ONE, SINCE IT'S IN CONSTRUCTION. WAIT A MINUTE. SAY THAT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. 2023 W O THREE FRAME SWITCH. YEAH, FRAME SWITCH. GST NUMBER TWO IS NUMBER ONE. 2023 W O TWO. THAT'S THE SHILOH PUMP STATION, CORRECT? YEP. THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO IN CONSTRUCTION? YES. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS NUMBER TWO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY OPINION, JUST MY OPINION, MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE'RE GONNA TEST THE PIPELINES COMING FROM THE SHILOH WELLS, WE NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE WE START PUTTING EXTRA CAPABILITY INTO THE WATER SYSTEM. SMARTBALL TESTING W OH FIVE. SO THEY, UH, WHAT IS IT? W OH FIVE SMARTBALL TESTING. 2024 [06:20:01] W ZERO FIVE. YES. SMARTBALL TESTING. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT. OKAY. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. DON'T YOU THINK THE WATER IMPACT FEE UPDATES SHOULD MAYBE HAPPEN BEFORE WE START DOING MORE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT FEES? BUT WE NEED TO KNOW IF WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR PIPELINE TOO. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN, THEN WE CAN APPLY FEES TO THAT AS LONG AS WE PUT FOUR ON THE NEXT YEP. I THINK FOUR IS HIS FEES. WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING, I NEED TO GET A LITTLE YEP. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. STARTING OUR 2023 IMPACT FEE UPDATE. I'D BE SO HAPPY YOU CAME BACK. HOLD, I SKIPPED A YEAR, SO NEVERMIND. OKAY, SO DID WE CHANGE, DID WE CHANGE IT? NO. OKAY. SO 2024 WL FIVE IS NUMBER THREE. OKAY. WL FIVE. YEAH. OKAY. 2024. WL ONE IS NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. LET'S FIND OUT IF WE NEED TO SPEND FEES ON THE PIPELINE BEFORE WE COLLECT FEES. OKAY. NOW WE'RE BACK TO MATT, KIND OF, I GUESS, UH, NORTHWEST MAINE HAS A SCORE OF 11. THAT'S THE NEXT HIGHEST SCORING ONE. THAT IS THAT ONE. SO THAT ONE I NEED TO UPDATE THIS AS WELL. THAT ONE IS 90% DESIGNED. OKAY. UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT RUNS LONG LIMMER, RIGHT? CORRECT. WHICH ONE IS THAT? THE W OH FOUR. W OH FOUR. OKAY. IT'S FIVE. LET'S MAKE IT FIVE. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE E S T AND UH, LINE ITEM TWO AND THREE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. YES. THANK YOU. VERSUS G S T, WHICH IS GROUND. OKAY. WHICH ONE WAS NUMBER FOUR AGAIN? NUMBER FOUR IS WATER IMPACT FEE UPDATE. W 12. OKAY. UH, SCORE OF 10. WE HAD FOUR OF 'EM. OKAY. CR 1 32, 24 AND 30 INCH LINE. THAT'S 2024 W OH 2, 20 24 W OH SIX US 79 CROSSING 2025. WO TWO FRAME SWITCH, GROUND STORAGE TANK NUMBER THREE AND 2026. WO ONE. CARL STERN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK REPLACEMENT. ARE THOSE COMPLIANCE? I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. NO, THEY'RE NOT. AND I WOULD, CAN WE, UH, SO THE MEGASITE WATER LINES, THAT'S ALSO IN DESIGN. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE THAT ONE THE NEXT IN THE LIST BEFORE WE MAKE THAT SIX W OH SIX? YEP. OKAY. YEP. LET'S MAKE THAT SIX. HOW ABOUT, UH, I KNOW IT WAS TALKED ABOUT W OH THREE. THOSE ARE THE INTERIOR LINES. WAIT, W OH THREE WHAT NOW? W OH THREE IS THE GROUND. SORRY, 2024 W OH THREE MAKE THAT SEVEN INTERIOR LINES OF, OF THE, THAT'S SIX OTHER MEGASITE ONE. YEP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER MEGASITE? YEP. MM-HMM. YES. THE OTHER MEGA SITE ONE, IT'S SEVEN. OH, SO THAT ONE DOWN THERE. YEAH. SO WW 2024 W OH THREE. YEP. 2024. W O THREE IS NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. SO 2023 W OH SIX WAS SIX, CORRECT? YEAH. . YEAH, IT'S LATE GUYS. SORRY. . ALL RIGHT. UH, SO WHAT DO YOU I GEEZ, 2023. WE STILL GOT A BUNCH. WELL, TWO. WELL, BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY THOUGH THAT LIKE SIERRA 1 32, 24 AND 30 INCH WATER LINES WERE A HIGHER PRIORITY BASED OFF OF THE SCORING? YEAH. THAT'S A HIGHER SCORE OVER THOSE, THE ONES FOR 2023. YEAH. WELL, IN THE 2020 THREES ARE ALL LISTED IN 2024. THEY JUST WERE 20, 23 LAST YEAR. THAT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T MAKE CUTS, SO THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT. YEAH. AND THEY'RE STILL NOT A PRIORITY BASED OFF, THEY'RE A PRIORITY, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY, BUT THEY SCORED LOWER CORRECT. AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO, ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO 2024. WO TWO AS NUMBER EIGHT. YEP. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. LET'S DO 2024 W OH SIX AS NUMBER NINE. AND LET'S DO, GEEZ, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT 2020 FIVES THOUGH. UM, SO LET'S, [06:25:01] I WOULD SAY LET'S ADD IN, UM, 2023 W ZERO EIGHT EMERGENCY INTERCONNECTION. OKAY. 10 NUMBER 10. DO YOU WANT THAT EARLIER? UH, THAT ONE IS, WE'RE CALLING THAT AN EMERGENCY INTERCONNECTION, BUT IT REALLY JUST FOR US TO CONNECT TO WHATEVER WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLY CONTRACT WE GET. YEAH. AND SO THAT GIVES US EXTRA WATER SUPPLY. YEAH. LET, LET'S PLUG THAT IN FOR TEN ONE. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY OR DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD GET BUMPED UP? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE 79 WATER CROSSING FOR SURE. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE IT NINE. YEAH, WE'LL MAKE THAT. UH, SO 2023 W OH EIGHT IS 9 20, 24 W OH SIX IS CHANGING FROM NINE TO 10. GOT IT. OKAY. UH, NEED MORE TO GO . YEP. WE'RE GETTING THERE. UH, SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, I'VE GOT A FEW 20, 23, 2 20, 20 THREES LEFT. NO, WE'VE GOT 3 20, 20 THREES LEFT. DO WE? I ONLY HAVE TWO. I HAVE TWO. I HAVE TWO. YEAH. UH, NEW ELEVATED TO STORAGE DRINK 1660 AND NORTHWEST TRANSMISSION WATER MAIN. THOSE ARE ALL 3 20, 26. AND NORTHWESTERN WAS NUMBER FIVE. YEP. I THINK 12 W 12 20 23 W 12. I'LL GO NEXT. OH, OKAY. NOW I GOT NUMBER FIVE. WRONG. DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT ON THURSDAY? UH, I, ON MINE I'VE GOT QUESTION MARKS ON THE LIMMER LOOP, E S T AND THE CARMEL CREEK EST. CUZ WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THEY'RE GOING YET. IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE NOT QUITE. SO THE WATER MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR THREE NEW ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS. RIGHT. AND THAT IS A COMPLIANCE ISSUE BASED ON WHAT WE THINK OUR GROWTH IS GONNA BE. THEY PUT 'EM IN AS JUST KIND OF GENERALLY ONE IN THE NORTH EAST, ONE IN THE SOUTHEAST, AND ONE IN THE SOUTHWEST. OKAY. AND SO, UM, WE KNOW GENERALLY WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. THE STUDY THAT WE JUST FINISHED DIDN'T REALLY GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF HELP. IT BASICALLY SAID HERE'S THREE PARCELS IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY. HERE'S THREE PARCELS IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY. OKAY. HERE'S THREE PARCELS IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY. YOU GUYS NEED TO PICK WHICH ONE OF THESE AREAS GOES FIRST AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GO PICK A PARCEL TO PUT IT ON. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I GOT IT THEN. SO 2023 W 12. QUESTION ON THAT. WHAT IS THE, WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT LOCATIONS ARE YOU THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE THE, UH, S MORTGAGE BOARD? GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S ONE IN THE SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS AROUND THE CURRENT CARL STERN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. UHHUH. THERE'S ONE IN THE NORTHEAST, WHICH WOULD BE ROUGHLY AT AROUND 1 32 IN LIMMER. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S ONE IN THE SOUTHEAST, WHICH WOULD BE ROUGHLY AROUND, UM, I GUESS CARL STERN AND FUTURE 1 32 CONNECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO ALL BASICALLY IN THE SOUTHEAST? NO ONE. ONE'S UP NORTH, ONE SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST AND NORTH EAST. WHAT WAS THE NORTH ONE? LIMMER LIMMER AND 1 32. 1 32. OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOUTH. ALL THOSE ARE SOUTHEAST OF ME. . . ALL RIGHT. SO 2023 W 12. LET'S MAKE THAT 11. AND THEN 20, 23 W 11 WILL BE 12, CORRECT. , THAT'S NOT CONFUSING. NOT CONFUSING AT ALL. OH, YOU'RE JUST DELIRIOUS. YEAH. OF SOMETHING. OKAY. UH, YOU GOT A 2024. 2024. WE GOT ONE OF THOSE LEFT. UH, THAT'S W OH FOUR. THAT'S 1660 SOUTH LINES. 13. 13. 13. LET'S MAKE IT 13. WE LUCKY NUMBER 13. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'VE GOT 3 20, 20 FIVES AND 2 20, 26 IS LEFT. AND THEN 20, 27 AND A 2027. ALL RIGHT. UH, FRAME SWITCH, GROUND STORAGE OR CARL STERN. THOSE ARE BOTH TENS. MATT, WHICH IS A HIGHER PRIORITY TO YOU? UH, CARL STERN. E S T. I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S CARL STERN WATERLINE REPLACEMENT. RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, NO. THE NO SCORING. THEY WERE BOTH REPLACING IT. OH. ARE YOU REPLACING IT BECAUSE IT'S BAD OR [06:30:01] OLD OR, OR, OR YOU INCREASING THE SIZE I GUESS? I GUESS BA WE NEED MORE STORAGE TO MEET TCQ REQUIREMENTS BASED ON GROWTH, PROJECTED GROWTH. OKAY. IF WE DO NOT GET MORE STORAGE THAN TECHNICALLY ACCORDING TO T C E Q REGULATIONS, WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO GROWTH. OKAY. SO LET'S DO 2025 W O TWO S 14. DIDN'T HE JUST SAY THAT THE CARL STERN WATER ONE IS GONNA KEEP US FROM GROWTH? WELL, THAT, THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION. UM, ANY OF THE GROUND STORAGE SHOULD I THINK, RIGHT. ANY GROUND GROUND STORAGE ALSO COUNTS AS STORAGE, RIGHT? GROUND STORAGE DOES KIND OF STORAGE. YES. OKAY. SO CARL, STERN LINE REPLACEMENT OR CARL STERN ELEVATED STORAGE REPLACEMENT. WHICH ONE IS MORE IMPORTANT? I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T SEE, DO YOU THINK WATER PRESSURE IS MORE IMPORTANT OR DO YOU THINK HAVING AN EXTRA EXTRA STORAGE IN THE AIR IS MORE IMPORTANT? WHY DO WE ANSWER HERE? LET'S, LET'S DO THE STORAGE THAT WAY. WE MEET T C E Q COMPLIANCE. WHICH STORAGE? UH, SO W TWO. SO NEXT IS GOING TO BE 2026 W OH ONE. OKAY, THAT IS NUMBER 15. 15. THAT'LL BE WHAT? 15. WHICH ONE IS 14? 2025. W O TWO FRAME SWITCH. THANK YOU. AND THEN 2025 W OH 1 20 25 W OH ONE WILL BE 16 THEN. AND THAT LEAVES US WITH CR 1 32 NORTH 24 INCH LINE AND LIMMER LOOP AREA. ELEVATED STORAGE BOTH TIED AS FAR AS SCORING. ANY PREFERENCE THERE? MATT? WHAT'S YEAH, MATT, IS ANY PREFERENCE? WHAT'S, YEAH, WHAT'S 2025 W OH THREE. WHICH ONE WAS WHAT NUMBER? WHICH WE'RE DOING THAT? THAT'S THE 24 INCH LINE, OR THAT'S THE 24 INCH LINE LINE 1 32. GOT IT. UH, NORTH OF 79. I DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR IT YET. THANK MA MATT. UH, IS IS THE, DO WE, SINCE WE'VE GOT THIS OTHER, THESE STORAGE TANKS, DO WE NEED TO DO THIS ADDITIONAL STORAGE TANK OR DO THE, IS THE WATER LINE MORE IMPORTANT? IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE OTHER TWO, THEN I WOULD SAY YOU COULD DEFER THE THIRD ELEVATED TANK. OKAY. A LITTLE WHILE LONGER. AND SO, OKAY. OKAY THEN, THEN LET'S MAKE THE 2025 W OH THREE NUMBER 17. OOPS. 17 NINE. UH UH. AND THAT LEAVES 2026 W O TWO AS 18 AND 2027. W O ONE AS 19 1 40 4:00 AM WE'RE NOT DONE YET. NOT DONE. WHAT? WHAT? WE'RE CLOSE . WE'RE CLOSE. WE HAVE, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ITEM 4.4, WHICH IS NO, I THINK WE GOT IT ALL. THAT WAS PAINFUL. THIS IS SO MUCH FUN. NOT AS PAINFUL AS LATER. TODAY'S GONNA BE ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE UP. NO. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM FIVE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTORY REPORT. I GOT NOTHING. GOODNIGHT. YOU GOT NOTHING? I GOT NOTHING. I GOT NOTHING SO MUCH FOR STICKING IN HERE WITH US GUYS. ALL RIGHT. ALL INFORMATION THAT WAY. ADJOURN. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY OUR TWO BRAND NEW FOLKS. YES. FOR DIVING INTO THE DEEP END WITH US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL THE REST OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE KUSH. THEY'RE ALL THIS LONG. . THIS IS WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR. FIRST MEETING WAS THE STAR RANCH MEETING OR NO? NOM. ALL RIGHT, SO WAS THE STAR RANCH ONE. WITH THAT, FOLKS, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 1:45 AM Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.