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START THE[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, JULY 6TH, 2023.[3.1. Discussion of Downtown vision and future options (Mayor Mike Snyder, Mayor Pro Tern Peter Gordon)]
TO ITEM THREE.ONE, DISCUSSION OF DOWNTOWN VISION AND FUTURE OPTIONS.
MAYOR SCHNEIDER AND MAYOR PUT GORDON.
UM, SOME OF YOU KNOW, OR I THINK YOU'VE BEEN IN A MEETING FOR THE, THE DOWNTOWN.
THEY CALL IT THE DOWNTOWN, WHAT IS IT? DOWNTOWN HU BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.
THERE'S A BORDER THEY PUT OUT, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT BORDER IN MY MIND, BUT 79, RIGHT? PETER 1660 SOUTH.
EAST WEST STREET IS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.
AND THEN I THINK IT GOES UP TO MAYBE LIBO.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THEY INITIALLY SAID, HEY, WE, WE VIEW THIS AS DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN, UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS, UM, A YEAR OR SO AGO, I WAS MEETING WITH LANDOWNERS AND A COUPLE BUSINESS OWNERS, ROUGHLY ABOUT THAT TIME.
THE MAYOR PROAM WAS MEETING WITH BUSINESS OWNERS ALL ABOUT HOW DO WE KIND OF MAKE DOWNTOWN BE BETTER.
BUT SOME OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST MY PERSONAL VIEWS, I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN MAKING DOWNTOWN BETTER.
I THINK THE BUSINESSES SHOULD HAVE A, A PART OF THAT.
AND, UM, I THINK PETER SHARED KIND OF THE SAME, UH, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS STRENUOUS, BUT UM, THE SAME AS SAY SAME KIND OF YOU GUYS.
MY APPROACH WITH THEM WAS MORE OF HOW CAN YOU HAVE A BIGGER VOICE IN THE CITY? UH, WE'RE KIND OF GUESSING AS TO WHAT YOU WANT DOWN THERE.
DO YOU WANT HIPPO SHAPED GARBAGE CANS? DO YOU WANT CHRISTMAS LIGHTS? DO YOU WANT, AND WE'RE JUST GUESSING.
SO I SAID, IF YOU ALL BAND TOGETHER AND LIKE 2030 OF YOU COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD, LIKE, I SAID, I THINK WE'D BE MORE INCLINED TO LISTEN TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO JUST KIND OF ONE-OFFS OR RUMORS OR WHATEVER.
AND SOME OF 'EM WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT THE, THE CITY USED TO HAVE LIKE A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS PERSON, AND IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, BUT WHAT DO THEY, WHAT DO THEY DO? WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? HOW DO THEY HELP YOU SELL MORE BURGERS, MORE BEER, MORE WHATEVER IT IS YOU'RE SELLING? HOW DO THEY DO THAT? WELL, NOT REAL SURE.
AND SO, ANYWAY, THEY'S WHAT KIND OF STARTED IT? THEY STARTED MEETING MAYBE THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO.
UH, IN KIND OF IN EARNEST OR WORKING ON BYLAWS AND THINGS.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO MORE TO DO IS TO DO WHAT THE MAYOR PRO SAID IS COME TO US.
NOT THAT THEY, WHATEVER THEY BRING IS SOMETHING THAT THEY ALL AGREE THEY NEED, BUT THE MAJORITY, SO THAT WE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAD LAST YEAR IN OUR BUDGET WHAT WE THINK TO HELP OUT DOWNTOWN.
WE SHOULD BUY NEW TRASHCANS FOR LIKE $30,000 OR 20,000, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND SO, BUT YOU ASK A BUSINESS OWNER, WILL THE HIPPO ON A TRASHCAN HELP YOU SELL MORE? WELL, NO.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE WANT CHRISTMAS LIGHTS STRUNG UP ACROSS THE STREET.
DOES THAT HELP YOU SELL MORE BEER? WELL, NO.
AND SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, WHAT IF WE WERE GOING TO SPEND MONEY, WHAT WOULD WE SPEND MONEY ON? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE COULD SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND YOU'RE NO MORE SUCCESSFUL TODAY THAN YOU WERE A YEAR AGO.
SO WITH THAT, SOME THINGS THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN, AND THEN I GUESS WE CAN, YOU CAN SAY WHAT, ANYTHING I MISSED AND WE CAN OPEN UP FOR IDEAS SHARING THIS WAS IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST IN DOWNTOWN, IS THERE A WAY TO FORM A DISTRICT, A COUPLE DISTRICTS, ONE TO WHERE, UM, SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THE DOWNTOWN IS NOW A CHURCH DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE OUR BASE, AND A LOT OF IT'S UNDEVELOPED, AND PART OF IT BURNED DOWN WHATEVER IT WAS, 50 OR 60 YEARS AGO.
AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO BRING THAT BACK AND THE INCREASE IN REVENUE THAT THAT GENERATED FOR THE CITY, CAN WE AS A CITY AGREE AS A COUNCIL TO MAYBE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO EARMARK THAT BACK INTO IT SO THAT THEN THAT MONEY CAN MAYBE PAY FOR A PARKING GARAGE? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT WAS PARKING.
AND MY PERSONAL VIEW ON THAT EARLY ON WAS I SAID, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IF A PARKING GARAGE COSTS $8 MILLION, HOW DOES THAT HELP THE REST OF THE CITY? IT MAY HELP YOU AS A BUSINESS, BUT HOW DOES THAT HELP THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF THE TRACKS? HOW DOES IT HELP THE PEOPLE NORTH OF THE TRACKS? AND SO IF WE, IF WE DO THINGS JUST FOR ONE GROUP, WE WON'T BETTER GET EVERYBODY.
AND THEY ALL WERE LIKE, WE WOULD HELP PAY FOR THAT.
WE WOULD BE WILLING TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.
THAT WAY WE'RE ALL BENEFITING AND WE'RE ALL PAYING.
SO THERE'S AN IDEA ABOUT A DISTRICT OF THE TOURS ALSO, MAYBE SOMETHING WITH SALES TAX TO WHERE RIGHT NOW THERE'S MAYBE TWO OR THREE BUSINESSES THAT GENERATE SALES TAX.
BUT IF IT WAS TO BEING REINVESTED AND THE LANDSCAPE WAS PUT ON AND THEY, AND THE DISTRICT WAS PAYING FOR IT,
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HOW EXACTLY ALL IT LOOKS, WE TALKED TO, UM, JAMES, HOW EXACTLY ALL THIS WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED AND DONE WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.UM, AND THEN I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, SIP AND STROLL TYPE THING.
THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO, BASICALLY YOU BUY A BEER IN ONE BUSINESS AND YOU'RE DRINKING, AND AS YOU'RE DRINKING IT, YOU'RE WALKING OUT TO ANOTHER BUSINESS.
I WAS TELLING JAMES THE 1 0 1 THIS WEEK.
UM, I TALKED TO P BBC, GOT A LOT MORE CLARIFI.
I DIDN'T BRING MY NOTES, UNFORTUNATELY.
A LOT MORE CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
THAT'D BE, I THINK, HELPFUL FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE BUSINESSES.
SO I TRIED TO DO THAT REAL QUICK.
IS THAT PRETTY MUCH I'M HITTING EVERYTHING.
UM, WE ALSO INVITED, UH, THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE WAXAHATCHEE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION TO COME DOWN.
SO HE CAME DOWN, GAVE THEM A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS, SAID THEY WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
HE FELT THEY WERE, UM, WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH OUR DOWNTOWN.
HE SAID, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO HUTTO.
HE SAID, THE PLUS THAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS, HE SAID, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS WHEN I GOT TO DOWNTOWN.
HE SAID IT WAS, I KNEW I WAS IN DOWNTOWN WHEN I GOT THERE.
AND SO HE SAID, THAT'S A, A PLUS.
UM, A LOT OF WHAT THEY WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON NOW WITH THEIR BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IS DOING THE, THE SIP AND STROLL EVENTS, TRYING TO GET MORE ADVANCED, TRYING TO GET MORE TRAFFIC DOWN THERE.
UH, BUT THEY WERE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN FIXING THE PARKING.
THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST, UM, HURDLE THAT THEY SAW IN HAVING THEIR BUSINESSES, UH, EXPAND IS, IS THE PARKING, LACK OF PARKING.
BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY'RE, I, THEY'VE GOT A CORE GROUP OF PROBABLY SIX OF 'EM, FIVE OR SIX.
SO IT'S, UH, WHAT MARY'S MOUNTAIN COOKIES, PORTERFIELD, UM, THE GINA, GINA AUDITORY FROM THE PAP PANINI.
THOSE ARE KIND OF THE CORE WHO OWNS IT ALL? YES.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE CORE THAT ARE REALLY ON FIRE TO GET IT GOING.
AND THERE'S OTHERS I THINK THAT'LL, THAT'LL KIND PARTICIPATE.
SOME ARE LIKE, UM, JOSH RICHARDS OWNS SEVERAL LOTS.
I THINK HE OWNS IN TUX AND HE OWNS HALL OF FAME, BUT JUDY KIND OF, AND HIM TALK A LOT.
UM, JIM SMITH OWNS, I HAD TO GUESS 50% OF DOWNTOWN HE OWNS, UM, EVANS, KIND OF HIS VOICE.
UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE OF THE
GRACIE OWNS A BUILDING ON 1660, UM, AND THEN SHE OWNS, I DON'T, UH, WAS IT HIPPO? UH, WHERE HIPPO PHARMACY WAS? MM-HMM.
SHE OWNS THAT ONE, ONE OR TWO ON TAYLOR STREET.
BUT, UM, UM, FALLON ALLISON AND, UM, I FORGOT NAME.
THEY OWN ONE 11 EAST, UM, OH, LAMPPOST.
BUT WHAT I DID IS I PITCHED OUT TO HIM ON PARKING AND I SAID, LOOK, IF, IF I OWN DOWNTOWN MYSELF, I, I VIEW IT AS A PROBLEM WITH PARKING BECAUSE WHEN I GO DOWN THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING BY NINE O'CLOCK YOU COULD PARK IN FRONT OF ANY OF MY BUSINESSES.
AND SO I WOULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE SOMEWHERE.
I WOULD TURN THE, THE SIDEWALKS TO ME, OR TOO NARROW TO HAVE ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR, YOU GO TO SOME OF THESE OLDER CITIES, THEY HAVE LIKE, THEY HAVE SHADE TREES, THEY HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.
THEY HAVE, OH, WOULD YOU EVEN PUT A PARKING GARAGE? I'M TRYING TO PICTURE IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT BETWEEN THAT AND THAT, BECAUSE HOMEBOY'S ABOUT TO START BUILDING.
MY BOYS ABOUT TO START BUILDING THE, THE WINE BAR THAT'S NEXT TO MARCY'S OLD SPOT THAT THE CHIROPRACTOR HAS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, JIM SMITH OWNS A LOT.
UM, THAT'S ABOUT A HALF ACRE THE CITY OWNS.
I GUESS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANDOWNERS LIKE THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE, I GUESS CENTER, RIGHT? THE UNDEVELOPED AREA.
I GUESS WHAT IS THEIR INTEREST AND WHAT IS THEIR, I GUESS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED VERSUS BUILDING OUT AND FINISHING IT UP.
BECAUSE THERE COULD BE LIKE FRONT STOREFRONT FACADE AND THEN WITHIN IT COULD BE, RIGHT.
AND SO NOT JUST TO STAND ON THE PARKING GARAGE, CUZ LIKE, YOU CAN'T GIVE UP THAT REAL ESTATE BECAUSE THAT'S CRIME AND IT'S JUST THAT BLOCK, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
OR TWO BLOCKS AND IT'S JUST ONE BIG BLOCK.
AND SO, UM, I GUESS WHAT IS, I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE LANDOWNER I KNOW LOOKING TO DO? ARE THEY WANTING TO MOVE? THEY'RE WAITING TO SIT ON IT.
I MEAN, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE THE SIDEWALK.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT PARKING LOT AREA.
YOU TURN THAT INTO PARKING GARAGE GOING FURTHER.
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MM-HMM.WELL, JAMES HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
HE USED TO JUST HOLD EVENTS ON THESE PEOPLE'S PRIVATE LAND.
AND THEN NOW WE TALKED TO THEM.
AND SINCE JAMES HAS BEEN ON, AND I WANNA SAY SINCE, WHAT ABOUT HALLOWEEN, WE STARTED THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY, LONG TERM, IT'S A TRUST.
SO ONE OF THE IDEAS IS, SO THE ONE OWNER OF THAT BIG, OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE THAT, THAT'S ONE BIG OWNER.
AND SO HYPOTHETICALLY, LIKE WHEN WE WERE JUST THROWING OUT STUFF, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THAT SIDEWALKS, I SAID LIKE, I, I MADE THE PARKING BE HORIZONTAL FOR, YOU KNOW, A HANDICAP AND, UH, QUICK 30 MINUTE OR HOUR.
THAT WAY THE EMPLOYEES CAN'T PARK THERE AND EXTEND YOUR SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS PARKING GARAGE THAT'S BACK THERE TO WHERE IT USED TO BE A LUMBER STORE.
AND IF YOU MAY, THE OUTSIDE, NOT THAT HE GUYS'S EVER SEEN A THREE STORY LUMBER YARD
BUT IT CAN BE DESIGNED IF THE PART THAT LOOKED AT 1660 WAS MADE TO LOOK OLD LIKE THEY DO IN CHARLESTON AND COLUMBIA, IN SOME OF THOSE CITIES.
AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, YOU GET RIGHT BETWEEN EAST STREET, GOING EAST, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR LOTS.
AND YOU HAVE LIKE JOSH, RICHARD HAS TWO, THE CITY OF HUTTO HAS ONE.
WE HAVE AN ALLEY, UH, I THINK JIM SMITH AND, AND ONE OF THE ENTITIES, COPPER STONE HAS ONE.
THERE'S ONE MORE TO THE NORTH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR NAME IS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CHAMBER.
SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE STOREFRONT THERE TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES ON THE WEST SIDE OF EAST STREET.
BUT BACK BEHIND THERE, YOU'RE INGRESS AND EGRESSING.
OUT OF 1660, YOU HAVE AN ALLEYWAY THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS TO GET TO EAST STREET FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, TO DO ALL THAT, LIKE YOU GUYS KNOW, THIS IS ONE PERSON'S, UH, OPINION.
I WOULD NEVER WANNA PAY FOR THAT AS A CITY.
BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN BUSINESSES ARE REALLY SUCCESSFUL, WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF THE SALES TAX, BUT THE VALUES OF BUILDINGS GO UP, THEY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN PROPERTY TAX.
THE LANDOWNERS ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE THE MOST MONEY AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS MAKE THE MONEY AND WE GET A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IF WE'RE ALL TOGETHER PUTTING IT IN AND AND TAKING A HIT, THEN TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IT.
BUT THAT WAS ONE THING TO KIND OF GET THE, THE BALL ROLLING.
WE DID TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT CITY LOT.
CAN YOU DO A BUILDING ON THE FRONT? CAN YOU MM-HMM.
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE PARKING GARAGES BACK THEN.
SO HOW DO YOU MAKE A BUILDING LIKE THEY DO IN OLDER CITIES ON THE EAST COAST LOOK LIKE BUILDINGS, BUT IN REALITY IS PARK 300 CARS BACK IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT ALL THIS.
I THINK ULTIMATELY IT'S TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT IS TO KIND OF FILL Y'ALL IN.
SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T BREAK FOR 'EM AND, AND DO ALL THAT.
BUT TO KIND OF THINK LIKE AS THEY COME FORWARD WITH THE, WITH UH, THEY WANNA PRESENT A SIP AND STROLL THING.
BUT I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE BACKED OFF THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE T A B C STUFF.
BUT AS THEY COME UP, EVERYBODY IS NOT LIKE, FIRST I'VE EVER HEARD OF THIS, WHERE DID ALL THIS START? WELL THEY DO THE SANTA CLASS STROLL OR WHATEVER.
THAT WAS AT THE TOP OF THEIR LIST.
WHAT WAS THE APPLICATION FROM TA A C? SO I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TERMINOLOGY, BUT, UM, WHAT THET, A, B, C AND JAMES AND I TALK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME MORE DOUBLE CHECKING, BUT FOR THE SUPERVISOR FOR OUR AREA, WHATEVER THAT IS, UM SAID, AN ORDINANCE MEANS NOTHING.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS.
WHETHER THAT WE HAVE ONE OR NOT.
WHAT MATTERS IS WHETHER YOU HAVE A MALT BEVERAGE LICENSE, WHICH IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, ALLOWS YOU TO SELL AND A PERSON TO DRINK AND WALK OUT WITH IT OPENED UP DRINKING THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT.
THEN THEY HAVE A SOMETHING OTHER BEVERAGE ONE THAT YOU CAN ADD IN A FOOD LICENSE WITH IT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SELL BEVERAGES TO GO, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE SEALED.
SO THAT'S LIKE WHAT FROSTY HAS.
JUDY WAS THE BIGGEST ONE WHO WANTED TO BE ABLE TO THROW, YOU KNOW, HER DRINKS OUT.
SO IT, SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF LICENSE THEY HAVE WITH T ABC.
SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
THAT'S THEM AND WHAT THEY GET.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T BE NO HAVING A BEER IN YOUR HAND WALKING DOWN PUBLIC STREETS.
SO, SO THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS, AGAIN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A BE HONEST WITH YOU, TO ME IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, I HATE TO SAY THIS CUZ I HATE BUREAUCRACY.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SUBCOMMITTEE THING WHERE A COUPLE PEOPLE CAN SPEND THE TIME TO REALLY GET KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH T ABC AND MEET WITH THEM IN TERMS OF OKAY.
BECAUSE IF, IF WE SAY EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO GO, THEN YOU'RE ONLY REALLY ONE COUNCIL AWAY FROM PASSING AN ORDINANCE.
LET'S SAY WE'RE ALL ANTI ALCOHOL.
AND WE GO, OKAY, SO HOW DO WE SHUT THIS THING DOWN? WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE, SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER.
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I DON'T THINK WE EVEN HAVE TO DO THAT NOW.NOW THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE UP TO THEM TO GET THE TYPE OF LICENSE THEY WANNA HAVE FOR THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.
I'M SAYING THAT IF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT IF THEY GO AND MAKE THE INVESTMENT TO DO THAT AND THEY GET THEIR LICENSES, UHHUH
WELL YOU'RE ONLY A CITY ORDINANCE AWAY.
SO POTENTIALLY IT IS, IT'S A DEAL TO WHERE, UM, I THINK WE MAYBE HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET ALL DONE TO WHERE WE'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE PROCESS.
CAUSE WE, I DON'T THINK AS A CITY WE WANNA TELL THEM WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.
AND REALLY WE, WE MAY NOT KNOW.
WE KNOW FROM A MUNICIPALITY STANDPOINT, BUT NOT FROM A TEXAS, WELL I THINK IT IS FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW, IT'S LIKE THAT'S THEIR DECISION.
IT'S TO MAKE THAT STEP OR NOT.
I GUESS IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUR ROLE TO INFORM THEM.
I GUESS WE COULD JUST LIKE CONNECT WITH T ABC.
LIKE WE CAN INFORM THEM OF WHAT THEY CAN DO.
LIKE, OKAY, THIS, THIS LICENSE COVERS THIS, THIS LICENSE COVERS THAT.
THIS IS THE COST OF THE UPGRADE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
BUT I'M SURE THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT ALREADY.
BUT I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN FIND OUT THEIR PERMISSION TOO.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU CAN JUST INVITE T ABC TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS SO THE CITY CAN HELP FACILITATE THAT AND THEN LET THAT GO ON IT OWN, TAKE OVER FROM THERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
HAVE THEIR OWN GROUP SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
IF THEY WANNA INVEST THE EXTRA COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS OR IF IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU DO THAT.
SO STUFF LIKE SIP AND STROLL OR MINOR IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALL FINE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NEED FOR PARKING.
I WANT TO SEE DATA FOR A BUSINESS CASE BECAUSE HOW MUCH DO WE GET IN PROPERTY TAX? HOW MUCH DO WE GET IN SALES TAX IN THIS REGION? I KNOW WE CAN'T GET BUSINESS BY BUSINESS, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY GET THE REGION AND WHAT DO WE THINK THE GROWTH COULD BE WITH BETTER PARKING SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF PROJECTION OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BECAUSE I DON'T SEE, I, I DON'T SEE THAT TAX NECESSARILY JUST PAYING FOR A PARKING GARAGE.
I, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING WITHOUT THE CITY BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
AND IF IT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT'S A COST TO THE CITIZENS.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, SHORT TERM, ARE THERE OTHER SOLUTIONS LIKE THEY CAN, FOR NOW SHORT TERM, THEY CAN PARK OUT HERE AND SHUTTLE TO DOWN TO THE CORNER BY HALL OF FAME ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON A SMALL BASIS? YOU KNOW, TWO NIGHTS A WEEK WHEN THEY HAVE PARKING PROBLEMS AND TRY TO HELP THEM BOOST AND SEE IF IT HAS ANY IMPACT? PROBABLY.
IT'S PRETTY IN THE SIGNS IT'S LIKE 15 MINUTE PARKING, LIKE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THERE.
NOBODY'S ASKED WHO WOULD PAY FOR THAT IF, IF THEY DID ASK, WELL, LIKE MAYBE JUST FOR THE GENERAL STORE OR FOR LAMP POSTS.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE TWO SPOTS THAT SOMEONE TRIES TO CLAIM THAT THEY OWN GOTTEN THAT RESOLVED? THEY, THEY OWN, I KNOW, BUT THE SIGNS STILL CLAIM THAT THEY DO.
WOULD THAT BE A BUSINESS? I MEAN, I HAVE A GUY WITH THE BACKHOE THAT CAN TAKE CARE OF IN A REQUEST CAUSE CITIZENS COME UP AND, AND ARE, ARE SCARED TO PARK THERE.
AND I'VE HEARD IT SAY REPEATEDLY.
THAT'S PROBLEM WITH, WITH THROWING IN SHORT TERM PARKING THEN IS WE ARE TAKING ON A CITY EXPENSE TO ENFORCE IT.
CAUSE THE ENFORCEMENT'S ON, I GUESS I DON'T, CHRISTIE'S NOT HERE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE ISN'T SHE KIND OF LIKE THE LIAISON FOR THE DOWNTOWN? LIKE WHAT IS THE CITY'S, I GUESS, CURRENT ROLE IN KIND? I KNOW OBVIOUSLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE CITY KIND OF, HEY, THIS EVENT'S GOING ON, WHICH IS GREAT, THAT'S HOW THE CITY KIND OF BOOSTS THEM UP.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THOSE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB KIND OF, I THINK EV EVER SINCE THEY'VE GOTTEN TOGETHER, LIKE IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS THAT THEY'VE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB WITH.
YOU KNOW, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE MARKET DAYS THAT KIND OF BRINGS PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, SUMMER IT'S KIND OF, I'M SURE IT'S HARD, BUT LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK FRIDAYS, LIKE THAT'S A THING NOW ON SUNDAYS THERE'S THE, THE FARMER'S MARKET AND IT'S, IT'S STAYING CONSISTENT BECAUSE I I, I KIND OF REMEMBER THE PAST, LIKE SOME OF THE EVENTS WOULD KIND OF DWINDLE DOWN.
THEY WOULD START AND THEN THEY'D KIND OF DWINDLE DOWN.
BUT NOW I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STAYING LIKE COMMITTED AND LIKE STEADY, LIKE STEADY FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO COME IN LIKE THE, THE REGULARS THAT COME IN OR NEW PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DUE TO ENROLL OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITIES OR IF IT'S JUST THEM DOING GREAT ON THEIR BUSINESS.
SO I GUESS I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ROLE OF THE CITY IS IN, IN THOSE EVENTS BESIDES SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, I MEAN, LIKE CHRISTIE, YOU KNOW WHAT SHE DOES.
WELL, I MEAN EVIDENTLY THERE, THERE USED TO BE A A, A HIGHER EMPHASIS, I GUESS ON, ON STAFFING FOR DOWNTOWN AT ONE POINT IN TIME IN THE PAST.
AND SOME OF THOSE LEGACY RESPONSIBILITIES MAINTAINED OVER AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE REORGANIZATIONS AND ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS.
SO THERE'S NOT LIKE A PURE DEDICATION FOR DOWNTOWN PER SE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE EVENTS THAT THE CITY DOES PUT ON MM-HMM.
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THERE'S CERTAINLY THE EVENTS THAT THE CHAMBER PUTS ON THAT'S DOWNTOWN.
AND NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THOSE THINGS, THOSE, THOSE ARE DONE PRIVATELY.
NOW I DON'T, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, JOSEPH AND THEM THAT DO THE MARKET DOWN THERE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TIED TO THE DOWNTOWN FOLKS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, BUT THEY CAN MOVE THAT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE OF THE BUSINESSES.
BUT IT CAN LIKE DRIVE BUSINESS TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BRICK.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY THIS GROUP THAT'S DOING THAT CONSTANT, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT YET.
OR KINDA LIKE, UM, IN, IN THE, THE, UH, OF IT.
THE FOOD TRUCK FRIDAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TRY TO GET SOME OF THE MESSAGING OUT.
I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES ALSO TO PARTNER WITH THE CHAMBER ON SOME OF, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS TOO.
BUT THIS GROUP SPECIFICALLY, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE DOWNTOWN SUCCEED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
SO, SO WHAT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, NOT THAT I SAY WE GO TO MAKE IT A REVENUE GENERATOR, BUT IT HAS TO BE FREE BROTHER IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
IT HAS TO BE WHAT FREE A PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN HAS TO BE FREE, FREE PARKING.
THE ONLY TIME YOU COULD CHARGE FOR IT, I THINK, AND BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE BUSINESS CASES ALLOW FOR IT IS WHENEVER IT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LIKE A CONVENTION CENTER OR A, UH, HIGH END HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'VE SEEN THAT WORK IT SUPER DENSE AREA.
YOU, YOU'D BE BOUGHT DOWN TO AUSTIN, YOU'RE GONNA PAY TO PARK THERE.
UH, BUT LIKE, UH, FORT WORTH FOR EXAMPLE, IN, IN THE, IN THE BASS PART OF FORT WORTH, THEY, THEIR PARKING GARAGE IS FREE AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
AND BECAUSE ALL THE OFFICE PEOPLE LEAVE AND THEY OPEN IT UP FREE BECAUSE THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE THERE AND PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA PAY TO GO PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE TO GO WALK TO THE MOVIE THEATER.
SO, BUT THERE'S THINGS I THINK THAT HAPPEN AS A COMBINATION OF YOU YEAR AND DAN I THINK IS THAT IT, SOMEONE COULD BUILD IT AND COULD SAY THAT THE EMPLOYEES HAVE TO STAY LIKE ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT HERE IN THE CAR.
AND THAT WAY, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PARK, THEY'RE A NICE CAR OUT IN THE SUN.
BUT THE EMPLOYEE, THAT'S PART OF BEING AN EMPLOYEE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WALK FURTHER.
THEY HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ELEVATOR SHAFT OR WHATEVER ELSE.
AND IT COMES TO MEMBER THORNTON'S PART.
CUZ YOU NEVER WANNA GO OUT AND SPEND 8 MILLION AND SAY, WELL IT'S UH, 300,000 A YEAR COST, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE 500.
WELL THEN WHO PAYS FOR THAT? EVERYBODY PAYS.
BUT IF WE HAVE REALLY GOOD PROJECTIONS, THEY, THEY WERE EVEN OPEN TO PAYING A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT EACH YEAR THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS IT TO WHERE IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE, CUZ WHAT THE LANDOWNERS SEE IS THEY CAN'T GET THEIR RENTS HIGHER THAN, SAY IN THE TWENTIES A SQUARE FOOT.
BECAUSE THE, THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESSES AREN'T THERE TO PAY THAT.
BUT IF THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING AND ENOUGH OF A DRAW, THEY CAN GET 30 OR $40 A FOOT, WHICH IS ALL MONEY FOR THEM.
AND SO THE GREAT THING ABOUT, I ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, GREEDY CAPITALISTS, YOU JUST KNOW THAT THEY WANNA MAKE MORE MONEY AND YOU SUPPORT THEM, BUT HOW DO WE SUPPORT 'EM? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, YEAH.
THEY HAVE A $5 ASSESSMENT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEY'RE GETTING AN EXTRA 15 YEAH.
WHERE THEY PAY, THEY NEED MORE.
AND, AND THEN THE CITY MAY, WE MAY SAY AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE OKAY PAYING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR 30 YEARS FOR THIS GARAGE.
THE REST OF THE MONEY'S BEING MADE UP BY THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS AND DETTER OR WHATEVER WE DO.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN SELL THAT TO THE PUBLIC THAT THIS HERE HAS A NEGLIGIBLE EFFECT ON YOUR TAXES AND IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENT.
THEY, AND THAT'S MY FEAR IS IF WE WAIT TOO LONG TO DO THE PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN BUILDS OUT.
AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? BECAUSE DOWNTOWN GEORGETOWN HAS A PROBLEM.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A PARKING GARAGE, BUT EVERY SPOT'S NOT WORKING OUT BECAUSE COUNTY'S GOT, NEEDS THE CITY'S OFFICE IN THERE.
THEY HAVE NEEDS, BUSINESSES DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO THEM.
BUT YOU SEE THERE'S A, THERE'S A COMPANY THAT I KNOW OF THAT DOES THESE DOWNTOWN AS ASSESSMENTS BASED ON POSITIVE CASHFLOW, NEGATIVE CASH FLOW, PROPERTY VALUE, GROWTH DENSITY, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
I KNOW WE USE ZAC TAX FOR SALES TAX CALCULATIONS AND TRACKING.
SO I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GET SOME SALES TAX DATA.
BUT IF WE WANT TO DO, WE WANNA TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND LOOK AT SOME SORT OF AN ACTUAL TRUE ANALYSIS, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND SOMEONE LIKE A ITY OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT WHO DOES THIS TYPE OF, OF PLANNING, UM, FOR, FOR A LIMITED ENGAGEMENT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRE CITYWIDE, YOU KNOW, PLAN, BUT A LIMITED ENGAGEMENT RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE POSITIVE NEGATIVE CASH FLOWS AND THEN I THINK MEMORY SERVES.
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WE COULD PROGRAM IN THE EXPENSE OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND SEE WHEN THE BREAKEVEN POINTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE BASED OFF OF THE GROWTH MODELS.AND THAT ALSO HAS TO INCLUDE THE MAINTENANCE COST FOR THE ROADS, UH, AND ALL THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IN THAT AREA.
UM, IF WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE THE DENSITY AND THE, THE VOLUMETRIC TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES IN FOOT.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
NO, WE ALMOST HAD 600 DEGREES ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, BUT THEY NEEDED LIKE A MINIMUM OF 80 PARKING SPOTS, UM, FOR, TO RUN THE MODEL.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE 80 EVEN IN THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN.
AND SO IN THEIR MINDS THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO RUN THE VOLUME THEY NEEDED TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS.
SO THEN YOU GET LIKE A 600 DEGREES LIGHT.
THEN THERE WAS A GUY THAT USED TO WORK AT 600 DEGREES.
IT WAS GONNA DO THE SAME CONCEPT BUT A DIFFERENT NAME.
BUT I THINK IF WE'RE EVER GONNA GET LIKE A GOOD DOWNTOWN, WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A STUDY LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO WHERE WE CAN FIRST STEP.
AND SO HERE'S THE OTHER THING IS WHENEVER I'VE LOOKED AT PARKING GARAGES GENERALLY IN THE PAST, THEY'RE EXCEPTIONALLY EXPENSIVE.
LIKE TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ALMOST GROSSLY EXPENSIVE TO WHERE NOBODY WANTS TO TO BUILD THEM.
BUT WE JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE GOING UP HERE IN THE CO-OP WITH REAL DATA AND THESE GUYS ARE MOVING WITH A, UH, PREFAB BASICALLY POUR OFF SITE, RELOCATE THE PANELS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND, AND CONSTRUCT ON SITE RATHER THAN A, A POUR HERE.
AND THEY'RE BEING ABLE TO PUSH THEIR PRICE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY DOING THAT.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME REAL LIFE DATA TO LOOK AT.
MAYBE IF THAT TYPE OF A PRODUCT WOULD WORK HERE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PULL IT OFF BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA WANT TO TRY TO DO LIKE A WRAP PRODUCT AROUND THE BOTTOM AND IT MAY NOT WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE IN THE CENTER AND, AND THE BUILDINGS WRAP AROUND IT INSTEAD OF IT BEING ABOVE THE BUILDINGS OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO IT MAY NOT WORK, BUT, BUT IT IS INTERESTING TIME-WISE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS GOING ON, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BELIEVE THAT WE COULD AFFORD TO DO A PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE WHEN I WAS PROCESSING THEM IN KYLE, THEY WERE COMING IN AT 35 TO $50,000 A SPACE.
AND IF YOU DO 400 SPACES, THAT'S $20 MILLION FOR A STRUCTURE.
SO THESE GUYS ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THIS ONE DELIVERED AT ABOUT A FOURTH OF THAT COST.
WELL I GUESS WE SAW, SEE NOW THE COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK'S POINT, YOU CAN'T CHARGE FOR PARKING.
BUT HOW MUCH I'D LIKE TO KNOW ALONG WITH THIS COST STUFF, WHAT IS THE CITY SPENDING TO PUT ON SAY THE SANTA CLAUS CRAWL MM-HMM.
AND WHAT IS THE CITY SPENDING TO PUT ON ANY OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN? BECAUSE LET'S SAY WE SPEND A HUNDRED GRAND ON SANTA CLAUS CRAWL MM-HMM.
IT MAY BE LONG TERM PEOPLE COMING TO DOWNTOWN, BUT IF WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE THE DOWNTOWN HUDDLE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION MAY BE WILLING TO PUT ON SANTA CLAUS CRAWL AND THEN THAT SAVES THE CITY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WELL THEN THAT MONEY CAN JUST BE MOVED FROM THERE TO DEBT SERVICE.
AND THEN WHATEVER ELSE WE'RE SPENDING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS, BUT MAYBE USUALLY I'M SHOCKED WHEN I SEE WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THINGS.
BUT IT MAY BE A DEAL TO WHERE, UM, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY CHARGING FOR PARKING, BUT YOU'RE PUSHING ONE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY ONTO AN ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY IS IN MY MIND, BENEFITS THEM, UH, THE MOST.
AND THEY'D BE WILLING TO MAYBE PUT THAT ON THEN YOUR EMPLOYEES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY OVERTIME AND BURN THEM OUT.
THEY JUST HAVE TO PROCESS THE APPLICATIONS, MAKE SURE THE SAFETY, WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT PLAN IS DONE.
BUT THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT AND MAY BE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE USED TO HAVE A RED WHITES AND BLUES MM-HMM.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TURN, I ALWAYS SAID WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD IT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE, JAMES.
WE, WE'D HAVE THIS EVENT, IT'S LIKE 300 TICKETS LET'S SAY, I'M GUESSING.
AND IT WAS LIKE 10 BUCKS TO GO OR SOMETHING.
AND YOU GOT FIVE DRINK TICKETS AND LIKE FIVE FOOD TICKETS AND IT SOLD OUT LIKE IN MINUTES.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE OUGHT TO FIND A WAY TO, TO WHERE WE HAVE THE BEST DRINKS, THE BEST FOOD.
NOT ALWAYS FROM HUTTO, BUT IN HUTTO.
AND THEN THERE'S A HIGHER PRICE AND MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF LIKE WE DO FOR THE BRUSHY CREEK WHEN YOU HAVE THESE EVENTS, $5 OF THAT TICKET IS GOING TOWARDS THE PARKING GARAGE FUND OR WHATEVER.
TO WHERE YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU'RE NOT CHARGING FOR THE SPOTS, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING MORE BUSINESS IN THAN WHEN YOU DO THE SANTA CLAUS CRAWL, THAT TICKET GOES FROM 20 TO 25 MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN FOOTBALL WITH, UH, YOUR MM-HMM.
PLAYOFF GAMES, YOUR TICKET, YOUR PARKING.
BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN SAY, LOOK, IF YOU USE THE FACILITIES YOU'RE PAYING AND IF YOU DON'T USE THE FACILITIES AND YOU STAY AT HOME ALL THE TIME, THEN
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING.BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO SANTA CLA CRAWL, YOU'VE JUST CONTRIBUTED.
AND, AND THE CITY'S HELPING THE BUSINESS PEOPLE.
SO WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE PROBABLY BE SHOCKED AND GO, DANG, WE CAN, WE CAN AFFORD TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP THE EVENTS UP.
DO MISS RED LIGHTS AND BRUCES.
YOU GUYS KNOW IDEAS ON DOWNTOWN OR I'D REACH OUT TO ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN HUDDLE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.
UM, THEY'LL START MEETING REGULARLY.
I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON BYLAWS TO THEN BECOME A 5 0 1 C THREE.
UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CHAMBER, NOT AGAINST THE CHAMBER.
THE CHAMBER WAS IN A LOT OF MEETINGS.
THEY'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THERE'S DUES AND STUFF PAID.
THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING DUES FROM HOME DEPOT.
THEY'RE COLLECTED FROM DOWNTOWN.
UM, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY FLEXIBLE.
THEY ARE VERY, UM, UH, DETERMINED IN TERMS OF MAKING IT WORK.
UM, WHICH I, NOT THAT NONE OF US ARE, BUT THE PERSON WHO'S PAYCHECK DEPENDS ON THEIR BUSINESS BEING SUCCESSFUL.
ALWAYS BE MORE DETERMINED THAN ANY OF US IN MY MIND.
SO HAVE THEY LOOKED AT THE DOWNTOWN CHAPTER AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND GIVEN ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT? MM-HMM.
UM, HE SENT ME THE NOTES CUZ I WAS LOOKING AT IT LAST WEEK.
HE WAS GONNA BRING IT TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S A PLAN THAT WE PASSED AND NOT THAT THAT HAS TO DO WHAT HAPPENS, BUT WE SHOULD BE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL GETTING ON THE SAME PAGE OVER TIME.
I TOLD HIM HE'S GONNA COME AND SHARE THEM WITH THE GROUP.
HE'S DEFINITELY, HE'S DEFINITELY DETERMINED.
UH, HE'S GONNA BE KNOW YOU THERE.
BUT, UH, WILL THEY MEET HERE IN CITY HALL THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH? 8:30 AM IS WHAT THEY MEET.
THEY JUST MEET IN THE UH, CHAMBER.
WHICH I LOVE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING CITY SECRETARY RESOURCES CUZ THEY'RE HERE EVERY OTHER NIGHT.
OTHER THAN MAKING SURE THEY DON'T GO WILD IN THE CHAMBERS AND TEAR THE PLACE UP, MOVE IT ALL AROUND.
UM, I'M THINKING LONG TERM, IT'S LIKE A 5 0 1 C THREE, LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, TAKING THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT OFF OF US AND LETTING THEM FOCUS ON THAT.
WE JUST HAVE TO SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR WHAT THEY NEED.
AND THEN IF WE AGREE AS A COUNCIL THE CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, THEN WE CAN HELP FACILITATE THOSE WITH ORDINANCES AND CHANGES.
UM, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, THEY GET ALL THE CREDIT AND IF THEY FAIL, WE'LL STILL GET THE CREDIT FOR THAT.
I'M JUST, I'M THINKING THROUGH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU COVER THE ASPECT OF THE UM, LIKE THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE TYPE THINGS.
SIDEWALKS, TRASH, ALL THOSE THINGS YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE THING THEY WANTED.
LIKE ORIGINALLY SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT, HEY, YOU KNOW, MY LEAVES NEED TO BE RAKED AND THINGS LIKE THAT BY THE CITY.
I WAS LIKE, WELL LISTEN, IF WE RAKE YOUR LEAVES AND DO YOUR STUFF, THEN I'M A DEPOT.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE'S LEAVES NEED TO BE RAKED AND WE'RE DOING LOWE'S AND THEN DOWN HERE ON SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN PRETTY PRESUME WE'RE JUST, WE'RE HIRING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO RAKE LEAVES EVERYWHERE AND EMPTY TRASH CANS.
AND IT WAS LIKE, SOME OF THIS I THINK IS IN MY OPINION IS ON THE CITY.
AND SOME OF IT I THINK IS JUST YOU AS A BUSINESS OWNER THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TRI ON TREES AT YOUR HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS A ROUGH CALCULATION.
WHAT IS THE CITY SPENDING TO DUMP THE TRASH CANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DEPARTMENT IS DOING AT PARKS.
MAYBE IT'S PARKS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY GETTING THE ATTENTION THAT IT PROBABLY OUGHT TO BE.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT COST? AND THEN POTENTIALLY IF JAMES SAYS, LOOK, IT'S LIKE $10,000 A YEAR OR WHATEVER TO DO THE BASIC SERVICES WE'RE DOING, THEN POTENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
BUT JAMES COULD EITHER COME TO US AND SAY, WELL I NEED A $60,000 IN THE BUDGET TO HIRE A PERSON THAT'S DUMPING TRASH ALL DAY.
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WE CAN CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THIS ORGANIZATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE CITY HAD AT THAT POINT TO WHERE NOW THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF CLEARING THEIR SIDEWALKS AND DUMPING THEIR TRASH CANS AND SWEEPING THEIR CURBS AND THAT WAY IT'S THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY CAN HIRE SOMEONE.UM, AND THE IDEA FROM, ITS KIND LIKE AN HOA.
I REMEMBER WE USED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR GRASS AND OUR HOA, THE COMMON AREAS NOT BEING KEPT UP.
AND I ASKED THE PERSON ONE TIME, I SAID, MAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR IDEA.
WOULD YOU BE SIT ON THE LAWN CARE, WHATEVER IT WAS COMMITTEE.
AND ONCE THEY GOT ON THERE, THEY REALIZED IT'S A LOT HARDER TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING.
BUT THEY WERE THE MOST PASSIONATE PERSON.
AND SO EVERY TIME THE GRASS WASN'T CUT, THEY'RE THE FIRST ONE TO CALL.
WHEREAS THE CITY'S GOT WATER ISSUE, THEY HAD A FIRE, THEY HAD A TRAFFIC WRECK, THEY HAD ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON.
JAMES IS BUSY AND SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, THIS TRASH CAN'S NOT DUMPED.
THAT'S LIKE THE LEAST THEY GOT GOING ON.
CUZ KOCH FEST IS THIS WEEKEND AND IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.
THE THOUGHT IS WHEN THEY NEED THE TRASH CANS DUMPED, IT'S ON THEM.
THEY SHOULD HAVE HIRED A BETTER COMPANY.
THEY NEED TO REBID IT, WHATEVER THEY DO, WE CAN ALWAYS COME IN AS A CITY AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS AREN'T KEEPING IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS LEGALLY.
WELL, I THINK FROM WHAT I'M AWARE OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE ON THE TABLE, I THINK YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION FROM THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNERS ON AGREEMENT TO JOIN LIKE A MUNICIPAL MAINTENANCE DISTRICT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
SO IT'D BE BASICALLY LIKE A, AN A PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT WE WOULD BE SAYING, HEY, YOU ARE AGREEING TO ENTER INTO THIS DISTRICT.
YOU'RE AGREEING TO BE ASSESS THE, THE STUFF YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE BOARD THAT DETERMINES HOW THE MONEY GETS SPENT.
YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK IF YOU GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEN THAT WILL RUN EXACTLY THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD WANT IT TO RUN.
I THINK IF YOU GET LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE CITY'S GONNA BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT THE WHOLE TIME BECAUSE THE ONE GUY DOESN'T WANT TO PAY ANY FEES.
SO HE'S JUST GONNA SIT THERE AND NOT PAY ANYTHING AND THEN OF COURSE LET HIS TRASH PILE UP AND ALL THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR IF, IF THIS GROUP CAN GET A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
I THINK YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A MUNICIPAL MAINTENANCE DISTRICT.
THANKS I'M USING THE WRONG TERM.
OR THEY GET ENOUGH TO WEAR THEIR SHOULDER IN THE THAT IS THE RIGHT THING THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
MUNICIPAL, YEAH, MUNICIPAL, UH, MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WE'RE THINK GOOD ENOUGH TO WHERE THEIR, LIKE IF 80% OF THEM SIGN ON, AS LONG AS THEY KNOW 20% MAY BE GETTING SOMETHING FOR FREE, IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT AND PROVIDING THE SERVICE, THAT THAT WILL BE FINE.
I, I JUST CAN EASILY SEE BOARD MEMBERS CHANGE.
IT'S LIKE, I'M SICK AND TIRED OF PAYING AND, AND MY NEIGHBOR OVER HERE WHO'S COMPETING AND SELLING BURGERS, I'M, I'M SELLING BURGERS AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING AN I AM.
I THINK IF I REALLY THINK IF YOU GET A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU'RE GOLDEN.
I THINK IF YOU GET ANYTHING LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
NOT THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY, UNDERLYING PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN THE BUSINESSES COME AND GO.
SAY YOU DON'T COME AND GO TOO FAST.
WHAT DO, UM, OTHER CITIES THIS SIZE DO FOR THEIR DOWNTOWN AREAS? MOST OF THEM, NOTHING FRANKLY.
UM, WHEN YOU GET, WHEN YOU GET TO ABOUT A 50,000 IN POPULATION, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FORM OF A DISTRICT DOWNTOWN, WHETHER IT BE A A TS DISTRICT, WHICH IS REINVESTING THE PROPERTY VALUES BACK IN MM-HMM.
MOST CITIES DON'T TAKE THIS APPROACH.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MOST CITIES DON'T PASS IT TO THE BUSINESSES AND HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALL WILLING TO JOIN TOGETHER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO THE CITY USUALLY HAS TO BE THE ONE WHO DOES IT ALL AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE BUSINESSES BENEFIT.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF REINVESTMENT ZONES.
I'VE SEEN, UH, THE USE OF THE LG CS FOR THE CITY GOING TO BUY UP THE LAND TO CONTROL THE USES BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT YOU END UP WITH SOMETIMES IS EVERYTHING YOU GO PUT IN THIS PARKING GARAGE AND THEN THINGS TURN INTO CHIROPRACTORS AND DENTISTS AND THESE OTHER THINGS THAT DO THAT.
DOES THE CITY ZERO REAL GOOD? YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE ONE CHIROPRACTOR, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE THAT HELPS CONTROL HAS SOME SAY, WELL, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WOULD CERTAINLY CONTROL WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE AN S U P NOT TO OPEN UP AN OLD WOUND.
AND SO THE CHIROPRACTORS IN TOWN, WE APPROVE THAT.
THE, THERE WAS A ORTHODONTIC DENTIST, SOMETHING OR OTHER.
AND LIKE I TOLD MARCY, I SAID LIKE, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE CHIROPRACTOR LADY, BUT I'M LIKE, THE ONLY THING I WANT APPROVE IN DOWNTOWN IS SOMETHING THAT DRIVES PEOPLE INTO
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WHERE LIKE ROUND ROCK PAST ORDINANCE AND LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF BARS IN THEIR DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY HAD TOO MUCH ACTIVITY.WE WERE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WE HAD TOO MUCH, WE HAD TOO MUCH ACTIVITY, JAMES, HOW DO WE SLOW IT DOWN? SO I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE TAKE THINGS PERSONALLY LIKE IT'S LIKE IT'S NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
AND YOU KNOW, PETER'S BEEN THERE, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, I'M LIKE, LOOK, I'M NOT THAT GUY AND I'LL NEVER BE THAT GUY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE WANTING WITHOUT SAYING NAMES.
AND I DON'T MEAN IT TO SOUND LIKE I'M SLANDERING, THEY'LL STILL TALK.
THAT PERSON WILL STILL PROBABLY TALK TO ME, BUT I'M PROBABLY NOT, YOU KNOW, ON THE TOP OF THEIR MOUTH.
I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE I'M SLANDERING CHIROPRACTORS, I USE CHIROPRACTORS.
BUT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE USING UP A, A HIGH VALUE LOCATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROLS IN PLACE, IT MAY BE THE S U DOES ALLOW THE CONTROLS THERE AND I THINK THAT'S FINE.
BUT THE LGC ARE, OR WAY THAT I'VE SEEN CITIES, IN FACT, KYLE WAS DOING THAT TOO, WHERE THEY WERE, KYLE WAS BUYING UP LAND AROUND THE SQUARE TO REDEVELOP IT AND TO THEN TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHO, WHO RENTS THERE, WHO LEASES THERE, WHAT HOURS THEY'RE OPEN AND NOT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I IMAGINE THE EDC, WE DID TALK ONCE ABOUT THE EDC.
BASICALLY YOU BUILD A BUILDING AND IT'S A PREDETERMINED THING.
YOU BUILD A BUILDING, IT, IT MET THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS GUIDELINES.
LIKE THE BOTTOM FLOOR HAS TO BE RETAIL OR RESTAURANT.
YOU CAN HAVE OFFICE AND CONDO, UH, ON THE SECOND THIRD, BUT UPON CO THE E D C COULD GIVE YOU SAY WHATEVER, $250,000, HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO OFFSET WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THERE.
BUT STOP BEING, THAT WAS AN INVESTMENT TO HELP DRIVE DOWNTOWN.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT.
YOU CAN DO THAT WITHIN THE FOUR A FOUR B AREAS.
UM, YOU CAN DO THREE 80 S A THREE 80 WOULD BE LIKE A DIRECT NEGOTIATION, A AGREEMENT WITH EITHER THE, THE END USER OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE ASSOCIATION.
THE ASSOCIATION WOULD BE ELIGIBLE IF IT'S A 5 0 1 C 3 4 3 80.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU CAN DO.
UM, SOME CITIES NEED TO THINK ABOUT SINCE WE'RE GETTING UP TO THAT POPULATION.
WELL WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S USUALLY WHEN IT NATURALLY HAPPENS ON ITS OWN OUT, OUT OF NECESSITY.
WE DON'T WANNA WAIT THAT LONG IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
CUZ WE'RE GONNA HIT THAT REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, WHEN CITIES ARE GROWING LIKE THIS AND, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A 40,000 POPULATION CITY WITH A MINDSET OF 15,000 POPULATION CITY.
BUT WE'RE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING THAT WE'RE AN 80,000 POPULATION CITY BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE.
AND IF WE, AND IF WE KEEP THINKING TOO SHORT, THEN WE'RE GONNA GET TRAPPED UP WITH THE GEORGETOWN PROBLEM.
IT'S LIKE THEY THOUGHT TOO SHORT RIGHT WAY.
WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START THING ABOUT THE MINIVAN.
I MEAN IT'S THE RIGHT, AND I, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS SILLY NOW, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
YOU HAVE TO GET INTO THAT MINDSET AND START BEING LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND A LOT OF CITIES THAT WERE SMALL FARMING COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS HAD THIS MAYBE THIS PIE IN SKY THING THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE AND THEN THAT WILL NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
RIGHT? THEY WOULD NEVER ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT US IT'S, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO THE MATTER IS, IS HOW WE TAKE CARE OF BETWEEN HERE AND THERE SO WE DON'T END UP AT 80 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND LOOKING BACK GOING, GOSH, WE WISH WE WOULD'VE BUILT THAT PARKING GARAGE NOW BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO CONDEMN A BUNCH OF THESE HOUSES TO BE ABLE TO DO IT OR WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THAT TYPE STUFF WE REALLY NEED, WE DO NEED THAT, THAT STEADY.
SO IF HE CAN GET THAT AND WORKS, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND BRING IT BACK FOR Y'ALL TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF YOU 24 BUDGETS.
LIKE I THINK THE KEY TOO IS WE DO IT IN THE MANNER THAT WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO HUTTO, WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF IN HUTTO TO WHERE YOU DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU EVERYBODY SAYS WE WANT THE STUFF FROM BUT THEY DON'T WANT AUSTIN.
SO WE GOTTA KEEP THE SMALL TOWN FEEL, BUT SOMEHOW KEEP THE SMALL TOWN FEEL FOR 3000 PEOPLE.
PART OF IT IS SCALE, PART OF GROUND ROCK'S PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR DOWNTOWN KEPT CREEPING FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER THAT CAN HAPPEN HERE.
BUT LUCKILY YOU HAVE BASICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CUTTING IT.
SO SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN OLD TOWN HOMES WILL CONVERT, EITHER THAT BUILDING ITSELF WILL CONVERT OR IT'LL BE DEMOED AND SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT ON TOP OF IT.
BUT YOU DO HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER ON ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU HAVE 79 ON THE OTHER THAT PRACTICALLY STOPS IT.
SO I SUSPECT LIVE OAK, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, THOROUGHFARE WILL EVENTUALLY REDEVELOP INTO MORE OF A COMMERCIALLY TYPE, YOU KNOW, FEEL THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
ALL KINDS OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
LIVE OAK WILL, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR NODES ALONG LIVE OAK WHERE
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PEOPLE WANT TO GATHER.SO YOU'LL HAVE OLD TOWN CO-OP, YOU GO THAT WAY.
YOU'LL HAVE FRITZ PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COTTONWOOD CREEK.
YOU'LL HAVE WHATEVER WE DO OVER THERE.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THESE NODES OFF OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO WANT TO GATHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO CAPTURE IS, IS PULL OFF, GATHER, PUT A TRAIL IN SO PEOPLE CAN GET HERE WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE A CAR.
YOU KNOW, DO ALL THE THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.
BUT YOU GOTTA DO IT STARTING NOW.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE TEARING UP STUFF THAT YOU'VE DONE TO REBUILD THINGS OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOO LATE BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS GOT BUILT UP ALONG THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY YOU NEEDED WIDER RIGHT OF WAY OR ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.
MAYBE CUSTOMER WILCOTS POINT, WE MAYBE TOO LATE FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE FOR LIKE RIGHT NOW PUTTING IT IN.
BUT WE CAN GET A, UM, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST AND THEN WE CAN BY SEPTEMBER, WELL BY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WE ALWAYS UNDER BUDGET.
UM, TO WHERE THERE'S ALWAYS, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY WE WANNA SET $200,000 OUT.
GOTTA HOPE IT DOESN'T COST TOO MUCH, BUT LIKE A PILE OF MONEY OFF TO THE SIDE FOR THE STUDY OR FOR THE GARAGE.
WELL WHAT I'M SAYING IS I HATE FOR YOU GUYS TO STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I, I HATE YOU GUYS TO STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING CUZ WE'VE GOT LIKE SEVEN WEEKS TO PRESENT A BUDGET AND PASS IT.
AND SO ANYTHING EXTRA WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO TO ME, WE SHOULDN'T DO, WE SHOULD JUST AS A COUNCIL LEAVE SOME MONEY TO DECIDE MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE CAN PICK IT UP IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, PASS IT, HAVE THE STUDY DONE IN JANUARY.
UH, I'M THINKING LIKE THAT CUZ IF WE, YOU KNOW HOW WE ARE, WE'LL HEY, WE WANT YOU TO GO DO THIS.
AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL I GOT SEVEN WEEKS.
OKAY ANN, I NEED YOU TO GO WORK EXTRA ON SATURDAY BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD WEWORK.
I KNOW HOW TO ESTIMATE THIS AND THROW A LINE IN THAT.
EVERYTHING SEEMS LIKE IT'S THAT WAY.
WRONG JOB IS WHAT THAT GO AND BREAK.
WE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ABSORB THIS IN THE EDC, BUT WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE EDC BOARD ABOUT IT TOO.
WE GOT A JOINT, MAYBE WE CAN, WE'LL TALK, PUT THAT ON THE JOINT IF THERE'S LIKE A, A 10% OF THEIR MONEY THAT THEY CAN USE FOR THESE TYPES OF, IF I HAD TO SWAG THIS LIKE STRAIGHT UP JUST TO GUESS, I WOULD GUESS THAT THAT FOR JUST THE DOWNTOWN NOT EXPANDING IT BEYOND, I, I BET YOU WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT FOR UNDER 50, MAYBE 35.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WROTE DOWN.
IF I HAD TO JUST GUESS, BUT IT'S NOT TOO MUCH.
IT'S ON, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THAT IDEA AND EXPAND IT, THEN NO WAY.
I, I DON'T SEE, I WOULD BE SHOCKED.
WELL, ABOUT FOR $10 RIGHT HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? RIGHT, WE'LL ADJOURNED AT 6:48 PM.