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I WAS THERE THAT MORNING, THAT AFTERNOON.
[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
ALRIGHT FOLKS, IT'S NINE OH ONE.WE'LL CALL THE SPECIAL CALL AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, FOR CHARITY JULY 22ND TO ORDER.
[3. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
NEXT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.FIRST WE HAVE, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THE, THE LIGHT WILL TURN, UH, WILL START AT GREEN.
WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW.
AND WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP, IT'LL GO TO RED.
MY GOODNESS, I'M STILL MAKING NOTES.
ISN'T THAT AMAZING? I USUALLY HAVE SOMETHING PREPARED TO READ IDA WEAVER.
I LIVE IN HU AND CARROLL DRIVE, AND I'M SO HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY AND I'M GLAD I'M NOT IN YOUR CHAIR, ACTUALLY,
SO THIS MORNING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT QUALITY.
AS YOU CONSIDER THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET AND THE DRAFT C I P THIS MORNING, THAT THE STAFF IS GOING TO PRESENT QUALITY CRITERIA.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE QUALITY CRITERIA IN ORDER TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE SHAFT.
NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY SHAFT IN THIS PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THE STAFF HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THIS, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, I SERVED IN THE NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND AS A MATERIALS ENGINEER IN DC FOR FIVE YEARS.
I EVALUATE, I GET A LITTLE SHAKY ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE LITTLE P T S D COMING IN, UH, I EVALUATE ALL ASPECTS OF QUALITY AND LI UH, IN MAKING LIFE AND DEATH SITUATIONS, UH, FOR DECISIONS INCLUDING ALL FLEET, AIRCRAFT, AIRCRAFT, ORDINANCE, AND OPERATIONS.
THERE ARE THREE BASIC OPERATIONS OF THREE BASICS, COMPONENTS OF QUALITY.
YOU HAVE COST, YOU HAVE PERFORMANCE, AND YOU HAVE SCHEDULE.
ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THOSE THREE THINGS.
COST, PERFORMANCE AND SCHEDULE COST.
THIS INCLUDES YOUR M AND O, THE I N S AND WHAT OUR ECONOMISTS CALL AND TAKE THIS TO HEART.
OPPORTUNITY, LOST COST, OPPORTUNITY LOSS COST FOR EVERYTHING YOU FUND.
THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU CAN'T FUND.
PRETTY MUCH, NOT EVERYTHING, BUT PRETTY MUCH, AND IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
THE THIRD THING IS PERFORMANCE.
NOT ONCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE NEEDS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TO PERFORM A SOLUTION FOR AND SCHEDULE.
IS IT REASONABLE AND ATTAINABLE? CAN WE GET THIS PRODUCT, THIS AIRCRAFT OUT INTO THE FLEET TO MEET THE NEED AND TIME TO MEET THE NEED? IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO DESIGN A BRAND NEW, UH, SAY TILT ROTOR AIRCRAFT, WHICH I HELP TO DO AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT IN THE FLEET IN TIME FOR DESERT STORM.
SO, UH, WHEN, MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PERFORMANCE, THIS INCLUDES FUNCTIONALITY.
IS IT FUNCTIONAL FOR THE NEEDS OF THE CITY? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND MAYBE SOME, SOMETHING WILL BE PROPOSED TO FIT THOSE NEEDS, BUT IT WILL IT REALLY FUNCTION TO FIT THOSE NEEDS.
WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
MAINTENANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLASH PADS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THE HOAS AND THE CITY AND, UM, THE CITY, UH, ANYWAY, THEY'VE NOT DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ON MAINTENANCE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE COREY, I'M SORRY IF I'M SP SAYING YOUR NA LAST NAME WRONG, DAN, IS IT DANANA? DANINA.
HI, I'M COREY DANINA, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY FIRST THAT I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED MOVING AHEAD WITH THE FRITZ PARK RENOVATIONS.
AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO JUST LOOK AT THAT AS THE BEGINNING OF, OF, UH, FULFILLMENT OF MANY NEEDS, UH, IN, IN REGARDS TO AMENITIES FOR THE CITY AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO WAS IT FIVE YEARS AGO, THE CITY APPROVED THE $50 MILLION
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IN BONDS FOR THE, FOR THE PARKS IMPROVEMENTS.AND UP UNTIL NOW, UH, NONE OF THAT MONEY'S BEEN SPENT.
SO I THINK THE CITY SHOWED THEIR TRUST.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY MEMBERS SPOKE, THEY APPROVED THE BONDS AND, UH, FOR SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE AND NOT CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IN 10 YEARS.
IF, IF, IF WE STILL DON'T HAVE A REC CENTER, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A POOL, WE STILL HAVEN'T CONNECTED OUR TRAILS, SOMEBODY'S GONNA, PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S, UH, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PARK WAS A, UH, A BIG DEAL.
AND I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UH, CONTINUE ALONG THAT LINE.
AND IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, THE TRAILS, I THINK THE TRAILS ARE VERY SPECIAL TO ME.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN HUDDLE TO HAVE A WORLD CLASS TRAIL SYSTEM.
THE, UH, IF, IF THE WILL IS THERE TO, TO, TO PUT IT IN FOR, UH, FOR BIKERS AND, AND HIKERS, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE WONDERFUL.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DRAW PEOPLE TO THE CITY BECAUSE IT REALLY IS, THERE REALLY IS THE POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A WORLD CLASS TRAIL SYSTEM.
AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, STAY ON THE, STAY ON THE TRACK.
UH, THE BOND MONEY IS THERE, THE VOTERS APPROVED IT.
THEY SPOKE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO DO.
THEY CONTINUE TO SPEAK AND CONTINUE TO ASK FOR, UH, THESE AMENITIES.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, I WISH THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONTINUE MOVING THAT DIRECTION.
AND COUNCIL, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU, YOU AS A COUNCIL AND STAFF, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE OLD TOWN AREA.
UH, THE LIVE OAK STREET IS A VERY NEAR AND DEAR PROJECT, UH, TO ALL OF US, I THINK, BUT ESPECIALLY TO THE PEOPLE SUCH AS MYSELF THAT LIVE ON LIVE OAK AND HAVE HAD IT TORN UP FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
SO, UH, RECENTLY I REACHED OUT AND, UH, YOUR CITY MANAGER GAVE ME SOME BACKGROUND WITH REGARD TO THINGS.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE ON TRACK TO BE DONE, BUT THERE'S NOT FULL FUNDING FOR IT.
AND IF THERE'S NOT FULL FUNDING, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET DONE.
SO I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE 2024 BUDGET.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE STAFF FUNCTIONS, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT GO ON IN OLD TOWN THAT AFFECT US IMMENSELY.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A DECENT ROAD TO GO TO FRITZ PARK, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO GO TO FRITZ PARK IF WE DON'T PUT IN THE, THE MONEY FOR PARKS, FOR LIBRARIES, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF WHICH CAN BE AN OLD TOWN.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY IS IN OUR OLD CITY HALL BUILDING.
UH, WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF ASSETS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.
WE'VE GOT A PARKING, UH, GARAGE AREA.
BUT GI GIVE THE LOVE TO OLD TOWN.
IT'LL PAY YOU BACK MANY, MANY TIMES OVER IN, IN YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IF YOU SPEND IT.
THE SCHOOL IS CURRENTLY ABOUT TO SPEND, UH, $40 MILLION ON, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE ON COLLEGE STREET, UH, LIVE OAK STREET, PARK STREET, AND, UH, I BELIEVE THE OTHER IS TAYLOR STREET.
SO THEY'RE BOUNDED BY FOUR OF OUR STREETS.
WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO AND A HALF MI UH, UH, MILES OF STREETS IN HUDA.
AND OF THOSE TWO AND A HALF, ABOUT, UH, A HALF MILE HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED WITH THE PARK STREET, UH, PROJECT WITH, UM, THE, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON EAST STREET AND FARLEY STREET.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TODAY.
I LIVE AT 1 0 8 WEST LIVE OAK STREET.
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I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE LIVE OAK STREET PROJECT IS BACK ON THE DOCKET.'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THESE START IN STOPS FOR FIVE, ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, I'M SO EXCITED THAT WE MIGHT GET A SIDEWALK, A SIDEWALK IN OLD TOWN.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE ME TRYING TO WALK THE DOG ALONG THE EDGE OF LIVE OAK STREET WHEN ALL THE FIVE O'CLOCK TRAFFIC IS COMING HOME.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE ON 79 ANYMORE.
SO THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH INTO OLD TOWN, AND IT IS SO DANGEROUS, AND YOU JUST KIND OF SEE THE DRIVERS LOOK AT YOU LIKE, I'M SO SORRY YOU DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT YOU HAVE TO STEP INTO THE DITCH SO YOUR DOG WON'T GET HIT.
UM, ALSO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, MAYOR HOLLAND TALKED ABOUT NEEDING AN ARBORIST AND THE GREEN URBAN FOREST IN THE CITY.
WELL, IF WE TAKE THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND AND, UM, HAVE CARBON GUTTER, THEN WE WON'T HAVE THE UTILITY COMPANIES COMING IN AND SLASHING OUR TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE POWER LINES IN OLD TOWN.
AND, UM, WE HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL OLD TREES IN OLD TOWN, BUT IN THE ICE STORM IN THE WAY THEY HAVE TO BE CUT BACK FROM THE ROAD.
THE UTILITY COMPANIES HAVE BUTCHERED A LOT OF THE TREES.
UM, I'M A MEMBER OF PET LUTHERAN CHURCH AND WE'VE ACTUALLY LOST SOME TREES DUE TO THAT.
AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND, UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, OLD TOWN DOES NEED THE LOVE.
AND FRITZ PARK IS SUCH A HUGE ATTRACTION NOW THAT, UM, I SEE KIDS SKATEBOARDING DOWN LIVE OAK TO GO TO FRITZ PARK OR ON THEIR LITTLE, UH, SCOOTERS AND THEIR ROLLERBLADES AND ALL THAT.
AND IT, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT A SAFE, SAFE WAY FOR THEM TO GET THERE.
UM, SO I REALLY ASK THAT YOU'LL CON CONSIDER FUNDING THE WHOLE PROJECT BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT TOTALLY FUNDED, THEN WE'LL HAVE THIS START AND STOP THING AGAIN, AND IT'LL BE SO EXPENSIVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR WORK HERE.
I KNOW YOU'D PROBABLY RATHER BE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON SATURDAY MORNING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
YEAH, A LOT OF YOU KNOW ME AS OLD GUY OUT FRONT.
UM, I'M HERE, UH, INVITATION FROM THE MAYOR ON FACEBOOK.
UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE ONLY TO HU THAT TAYLOR AND PFLUGERVILLE DOES NOT HAVE SOMETHING.
OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD HEADED BY OUR DIRECTOR, MR. WHITE, IN THEIR BACK POCKET.
AND WE HAVE A GOLD MINE OVER THERE.
UH, I REALLY HOPE AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE OUR CITY COUNCIL TO REALLY ACT ON GROWING IT OUT.
UH, THE PEOPLE REALLY NEED MORE COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.
UH, I KNOW, UH, DIRECTOR WHITE WOULD BE GREAT.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE HIM ON THE HONORARY BOARD AS AN HONORARY MEMBER ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS THERE.
AND THEN HAVE, UH, BOARD CHAIRMAN ALVARADO ON OUR PARKS DIRECTOR, OUR PARKS BOARD.
I KNOW THE LITTLE Y M C A, IT'S A REAL JEWEL OVER THERE.
WE DIDN'T UTILIZE IT WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, BUT IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE COME, IT'S A GREAT PLACE.
EVEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE BRINGING IN NEW JOBS, NEW PLACES, THEY WANNA KNOW WHERE THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA GO.
PART OF IT'S THE PARKS AND RECREATIONS, AND PART OF IT IS FOR SERVICES THAT THE Y OFFERS THAT'S UNIQUE.
UM, I JUST WANT ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO PLEASE LOOK OUT FOR OUR LITTLE Y M C A BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA LOSE IT TO EITHER TAYLOR OR PFLUGERVILLE.
UH, I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE JEWELS, KIND OF LIKE OUR, WHOOPS, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS GREAT AS IT'S GROWING AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY.
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WHAT DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE GO OVER THE DRAFT BUDGET AND THE C I P BRIEFING OF TODAY? I HOPE EACH OF US WILL HEAR HOW THE BUDGET WILL BE UTILIZED TO IMPLEMENT AND COVER THE NEEDS REQUIRED BY THE C I P.REMEMBER, WE HAVE ALL BEEN VERY VOCAL ON THE LACK OF ROADS AND HOW THAT HAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OUR EASE OF TRAVEL IN THE CITY.
LOOK AT THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS LIKE SAMSUNG AND ALL OF THE ANCILLARY DEVELOPMENTS RELATED TO JUST THIS ONE.
TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A MESS AND WILL ONLY GET WORSE IF WE DON'T WORK ON THIS WITH OUR FULL ABANDON.
WE WERE UNDER SEVERE RESTRICTIONS ON USE OF BOND FUNDS FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
THAT HAS PUT A BIG DELAY ON IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ROADS.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AND GET BEHIND IT AND PUSH ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO CORRECT THIS AND GET IT SETTLED DOWN BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL THE WANTS.
THIS C I P HAS A LOT OF WANTS.
PARKS AND SPLASH PADS ARE NICE, BUT THEY DO VERY LITTLE TO ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THE MOST PRESSING NEED.
WITHOUT GOOD MOBILITY, WE WILL SEE MOVEMENT OF OUR CITIZENS TO CITIES THAT CAN PROVIDE THIS NEED.
DO WE WANT A DECREASING, UH, NUMBER OF CITIZENS OR DO WE WANT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF CITIZENS? DO YOU WANT THE TAXES TO GO UP OR DO YOU NOT WANT THE TAXES TO GO UP? ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
AND I HAVE ONE THAT SCOTT CARTER CAME IN THIS MORNING TO GIVE TO ME TO READ.
UM, WELL, WHEN IT GOES TO THE, UH, CITY SECRETARY, SHE CAN PASS AROUND.
SAID, THANKS FOR POSTING THE ALERT ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
HERE'S A FEEDBACK ABOUT CITY IMPROVEMENTS.
I POSITIVELY DON'T WANT A MUNICIPAL POOL, ASIDE FROM THE WISE, GENEROUS CONTRIBUTION, IT WOULD BE PAID FOR BY PROPERTY TAXES INSTEAD OF BY THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE ALREADY ATROCIOUS.
WE GET HIT WITH WATER RESTRICTIONS ALMOST EVERY SUMMER.
AND I LOOKED UP A STUDY ON MUNICIPAL POOL WATER USE.
IT SAID THAT THE POOL FACILITY STUDIED, USED OVER 3 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR.
I DIDN'T DO EXHAUSTIVE RESEARCH, JUST USE THE FIRST ONE.
I FOUND NOTE FIRST THAT THIS WAS FOR AN INDOOR POOL.
SECOND THAT IS GALLONS USED, NOT THE POOL OF CAPACITY.
THAT INCLUDES FILLING THE POOL, FILTERING IT, CLEANING IT, SHOWERS, TOILETS, ET CETERA.
IF WATER IS THAT MUCH OF A RESOURCE PROBLEM, NO THANKS.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A NEWER, BIGGER, BETTER LIBRARY UNLESS THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND, LIKE A QUARTER OF HUDDLE RESIDENCE FOR MORE PHYSICAL BOOKS ALREADY.
LOTS OF BOOKS CAN BE PURCHASED CHEAPLY AT HALF PRICE BOOKS EITHER ONLINE OR IN THE STORE.
IF ANYTHING'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED ABOUT THE LIBRARY, INCREASING THE ACCESS TO EBOOKS AND AUDIOBOOKS SHOULD BE OKAY.
YOU CAN'T EASILY BUY THOSE USED.
I'M GLAD THERE'S A PARK THAT FACILITIES AND GROUNDS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.
TAX MONEY FOR REDESIGNING, ADDING NEW FEATURES, NO ROADS, DEFINITELY ROADS.
APPROVING THE BUILDING OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES BEFORE GETTING THE ROADS IMPROVED HAS RESULTED IN RUSH HOUR.
PEOPLE MOVE AWAY FROM BIG CITIES TO SMALL ONES LIKE CUDO, IN PART TO AVOID TRAFFIC JAMS. FIRST ITEMS ON A LIST OF ROADS TO WIDEN FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, LIER LOOP FROM INNOVATION TO AT LEAST FM 1660, FM 1660 FROM US, 79 TO AT LEAST A NINTH GRADE CENTER, CR ONE 19 FROM AT LEAST A HOME DEPOT TO CR ONE 18, CR 1 37 FROM C 1 38 TO FM 1660.
GETTING TO AND FROM THE AMPHITHEATER ON A TWO-LANE ROAD IS HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
I DON'T THINK THIS ONE IS A CITY MATTER, BUT WE NEED A FRONTAGE ROAD FOR TOLL ONE 30 FROM 6 85 TO S 79, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RUNNING RED LIGHTS AT S 79 AND EDGE SCHMIDT HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.
I'M THINKING OF WHEN THE LEFT TURN LIGHT HAS ALREADY TURNED RED AND THEN SOMEONE SPEEDS TO A LEFT TURN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
AND BEFORE ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS ARE APPROVED, SOMEBODY PLEASE FIGURE OUT THE IMPACT TO TRAFFIC, PLAN THE ROADS, AND GET THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION STARTED.
IT SEEMS TO TAKE LESS TIME TO PUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THEN TO WIDEN THE STREET TO ACCESS IT.
UM, SEND THIS TO YOU SO YOU HAVE IT, BUT ALSO PRINT OUT, BRING IT TO THE CITY HALL.
THANKS SCOTT AND SHANNON CARTER WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS, UH, ALL THE COMMENTS.
[4.1. Fiscal Year 2024 Preliminary Budget Discussion (James Earp)]
TO ITEM 14, ONE FISCAL YEAR 2024, PRELIMINARY BUDGET DISCUSSION,[00:20:14]
MAYOR, COUNCIL CITIZENS A HUDDLE.UH, JAMES ERP, CITY MANAGER, ALSO RESIDENT OF HU.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY, PREDOMINANTLY, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA SHOW COUNCIL WHAT IS STILL NOT ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR, SO TO SPEAK.
WHAT'S STILL A LIVE POSSIBILITY FOR MAKING IT INTO THE BUDGET.
WE'RE NOT TALKING NUMBERS, WE'RE NOT TALKING TAX RATES, WE'RE NOT TALKING ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE'RE TALKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF QUALITY, UM, PERFORMANCE, THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY, UH, MS. WEAVER WERE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM COUNCIL IS FOR COUNCIL TO INFORM THE CITY MANAGER ON THINGS THAT YOU EXPECTED TO SEE CRAFTED INTO THE BUDGET THAT YOU DON'T SEE TODAY.
NOW, I'M HITTING A LOT OF THE ADD-ONS.
THE THE VALUE ADDS THINGS THAT ARE INCREMENTALLY DIFFERENT.
SO JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON A SCREEN DOESN'T MEAN THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T CAPTURE IT IN ANOTHER WAY.
SO, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW IF THERE'S EXPECTATIONS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT YOU DON'T SEE.
I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE GET DONE OR ACCOMPLISHED.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS LIKE, OKAY, THERE IT IS, OR IT'S NOT THERE.
SO I'M GONNA BRING IT UP AT THE END WHENEVER I GET THROUGH ALL THE PRESENTATION PART.
UM, THE OTHER THING I'M LOOKING FOR IS ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT BE, UM, INITIATING OR STARTING THAT DOESN'T RESONATE, WE OUGHT NOT TO BE DOING.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO INFORM HOW I FINALIZE MY PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL, WHICH I WILL DELIVER JULY 31ST ELECTRONICALLY, AND THEN WE WILL PRESENT PUBLICLY, UH, AUGUST 3RD.
SO THAT'S WHAT TODAY IS ABOUT.
I'M GONNA COVER, UH, HIGH LEVEL WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOW, THE C I P LIST IS QUITE EXHAUSTIVE NOW.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE ANY C I P LIST THAT ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ON COUNCIL HAS SEEN PRIOR.
UH, PRIMARILY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE CITY WAS IN THE POSITION OF, OF, OF FRANKLY BEING ABLE TO PREPARE AN ACTUAL C I P LIST.
HOW DID IT GET CREATED? WELL, IT GOT CREATED THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE NOW BEEN COMPLETED AND IDENTIFIED WHICH PROJECTS WE NEED TO GET BUILT.
IT HAS BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED THROUGH INPUT FROM, UH, THE COUNCIL, FROM THE, IT HAS BEEN INFORMED BY THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S, CIPS, RIGHT? THAT THAT ACTUALLY WERE CREATED.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN, UH, INFLUENCED AND INFORMED BY CITIZEN INPUT AND INPUT FROM STAFF AND INPUT FROM THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WE HAVE SHOWN YOU DOLLAR AMOUNTS BECAUSE TODAY WHAT I REALLY NEED DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE OUR PRIORITY IN THE C I P.
WHICH PROJECTS DO WE WANT TO GET DONE FIRST, AND WHICH PROJECTS DO WE NOT WANT TO GET DONE IN 24? BECAUSE FROM THERE, I THEN HAVE TO GO AND FIGURE OUT WHAT BONDING CAPACITIES DO WE HAVE? WHAT FUNDS COULD I POTENTIALLY PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS FROM THAT ARE NOT FROM TAXES.
SO IMPACT FEES OR PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND THEN I HAVE TO PREPARE TO COUNSEL, UH, MY RECOMMENDATIONS, ANYTHING THAT IS, WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH, UH, CAPITAL THROUGH RAISING OF A BOND.
WE HAVE $2 AMOUNTS THAT WE HAVE AUTHORIZED BY VOTERS, UH, THAT REMAIN, WHICH IS ABOUT 14 AND A HALF MILLION FOR ROADS, ABOUT 14 AND A HALF MILLION FOR ROADS OF BOND AUTHORIZATION THAT WE CAN CON, THAT WE CAN STILL TAP.
AND ABOUT 40 MILLION OF PARKS, 41, 40, $40 MILLION OF PARKS THAT, THAT WE CAN STILL, THAT WE CAN STILL TAP, UM, FOR, FOR A BOND ISSUANCE.
NOW, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD DO CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS OR OTHER THINGS THAT AREN'T BOND REFERENDUM, BUT THAT IS THE DEBT BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
BUT WHAT I HAVE TO KNOW TODAY IS, AM I RECOMMENDING THAT WE ISSUE 14 POINT HALF MILLION OF ROAD AND 40 MILLION OF BONDS? BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO CALCULATE WHAT THAT DEBT RATE IS AND I HAVE TO BUILD THAT INTO MY PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FROM COUNCIL TODAY.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE ANY REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS FOR ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GET TO C I P.
THE REST OF IT IS FEEDBACK TO INFORM ME ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING FOR IMPROVING AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO C I P I, I ABSOLUTELY NEED TO WALK AWAY FROM TODAY.
IF I DON'T WALK AWAY TODAY WITH THE LIST OF WHAT WE WANT FUNDED IN 24, THEN I CAN'T MAKE THE REST OF MY DECISIONS WITH, YOU KNOW,
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I'LL HAVE TO MAKE 'EM FOR YOU, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.SO I'LL HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND.
WE ISSUE DEBT AND I DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT POSITION.
SO I NEED Y'ALL TO TELL ME WHAT WE WANNA DO IN 24, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IN 24 AND IN WHAT ORDER.
SO THEN I CAN GO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY WANNA DO $30 MILLION IN ROADS IN 24, WELL, SOME OF THAT I CAN PULL FROM TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES.
SOME OF THAT I CAN PULL FROM OVER HERE, BUT THEN I HAVE THIS DELTA THAT'S LEFT.
I CAN'T ISSUE THAT DEBT THIS YEAR.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT A FUTURE ROAD BOND.
THAT'S THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT THE C I P LEADS TO.
IF I COULD JUST ADD SOMETHING.
YES, I THINK THERE'S 5 MILLION IN BOND CAPACITY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
$5 MILLION FOR BOND CAPACITY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF THE LIMITATION THERE.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, OUR KEY BUDGET INITIATIVES AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW.
NOW, I WANT TO REEMPHASIZE, JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE SOMETHING ON A SCREEN TODAY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT MAKES IT INTO THE FINAL BUDGET, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE SURVIVED THE VETTING PROCESS THIS FAR OR HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT INFORM THE BUDGET.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT.
I AM GONNA DO A SNEAK PEEK OF CLEAR GOV BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE NEW BUDGET SOFTWARE AND, UH, THE E D C.
GOT TO SEE JUST A, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE SOFTWARE HAS IN IT.
UM, TODAY I'M GONNA SHOW, I'M GONNA DRAW, I'M GONNA DRILL DOWN INTO A LINE ITEM ON THE PD SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THERE WILL BE AVAILABLE THIS YEAR, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER YEAR.
THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE C I P.
SO MY GOAL IS TO BE DONE WITH MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION HERE IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, INFORMING THE BUDGET.
I KNOW THIS IS HARD TO READ, BUT THESE ARE ALL, ALL THE STEPS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE INFORMED THE BUDGET FORMATION UP TO THIS POINT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S DATED, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND AN EXECUTION GUIDE FROM 2018 IS STILL A, A LIVE DOCUMENT.
IT'S STILL A LIVE DOCUMENT BECAUSE THE FISCAL POLICY STILL REFERENCES THE DOCUMENT.
SO THERE IS A LONG LIST OF ITEMS THAT IN 2018, THE CITY SAID THAT IT WAS GOING TO DO.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
BUT THERE'S STILL, THAT DOCUMENT STILL INFORMS THE DECISIONS.
THE FISCAL POLICY CERTAINLY INFORMS HOW WE DO THINGS, UH, FROM THE DATES THAT WE HAVE MEETINGS TO HOW WE DEVELOP A C I P.
WE ALSO HAD THE BIANNUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WE PULLED INFORMATION FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, THAT WAS LAST YEAR.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT STARTED AGAIN.
UH, NOW, SO, SO WE CAN HAVE IT IN TIME TO, UH, TO, TO FEED INFORMATION INTO THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, WHICH IS THE NEXT ITEM.
THE COUNCIL HELD A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN MARCH.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY OUR FISCAL POLICY, BUT IT WAS THE, THE FIRST ONE THAT I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE HELD IN A, IN A WHILE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DELIVERED, UH, ITEMS OF PRIORITY FOR C I P.
UH, AND THOSE CERTAINLY DID PLAY INTO THE PRIORITIZATION OF THIS IN THE CREATION OF THE C I P AS IT EXISTS.
WE HAD THE PUBLIC BUDGET WORKSHOPS THAT WERE REFERENCED AND CITIZEN COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE HAD THE, UH, THE C I P REVIEW BY THE PARKS BOARD AND BY THE P N Z.
AND THEN INTERNALLY WE HAD, UH, THE SETUP CONFIGURATION OF CLEAR GOV, WHICH IS THE BUDGETING SOFTWARE.
UH, WE HAD THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITH THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS, THE LEADERSHIP PERSONNEL REQUESTS PRIORITIZATION.
UM, WE HAD THE STAFF C I P REQUESTS, THE CITY MANAGER ROUND TABLE WHERE WE DID WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S OUT.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OUR TAX RATE ESTIMATION PHASE, SO WE CAN COMPLETE THE, THE BUDGET PROPOSAL.
AND THEN OF COURSE, TODAY WE HAVE THE COUNCIL BUDGET VISION, WHICH IS WHERE Y'ALL ARE GIVING ME FEEDBACK AND, AND GUT CHECKS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
ALL RIGHT, HERE'S, HERE'S REAL DATA.
THIS IS WHERE JUDO STANDS, UH, IN OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX RATE.
AND I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE PAY VERSUS RATE PAIR SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY.
SO HERE'S OUR PROPERTY RATES COMPARED TO THE, UH, PEER CITIES.
THESE PEER CITIES ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE FISCAL POLICY.
SO THIS ISN'T PICKED BY STAFF.
UH, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE FISCAL POLICY THAT COUNCIL ADOPTED.
UH, SO IT SHOWS WHERE HUDU IS IN COMPARISON TO THE PEER CITIES.
HERE'S OUR SALES TAX REVENUE, UH, GROWTH OVER THE LAST, UM, EIGHT YEARS, NINE YEARS, UH, WITH OUR PROJECTIONS FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, THOSE ARE ESTIMATED, OF COURSE, WE'RE GONNA ESTIMATE WHAT WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE FISCAL YEAR 23 YET BECAUSE WE'RE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT YOU LEFT TO GO.
UH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRETTY HEALTHY, UH, SALES TAX GROWTH.
SO, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THE ECONOMY HERE, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
UM, THINGS SEEM TO BE MOVING ALONG PRETTY WELL.
AND, UM, PROPERTY TAX WISE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING FAIRLY RESPONSIBLE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL COMPARED TO THE, OUR OTHER PEERS.
SO THE COUNCIL DEVELOPED FIVE STRATEGIC PILLARS AT THEIR, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT, COLLABORATE FOR OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY, MAINTAIN FINANCIAL STABILITY, GROW RESPONSIBLY AND SUSTAINABLY, CREATE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND THEN TO PRIORITIZE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AS I WENT THROUGH THE, THE FEEDBACK, AND WHEN
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I SAY FORMED, EVERY SI NOT ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN FORMING THE BUDGET FORMED OF THE, THE BUDGET.THEY'RE ALL INDEPENDENT POINTS OF REFERENCE THAT WE USE TO WEAVE A TAPESTRY TOGETHER OF WHAT BECOMES A BUDGET.
BECAUSE ONE, ONE EFFORT OF PRIORITIZATION MAY PRIORITIZE ONE THING, ANOTHER EFFORT OF PRIORITIZATION MAY PRIORITIZE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT I FOUND BETWEEN THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UH, POINTS OF REFERENCE AND THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UH, REQUESTS THAT WERE COMING THROUGH FROM STAFF ON WHAT TO DO, UH, I TENDED TO FIND THAT THEY, THEY SOMEWHAT FELL INTO THESE EIGHT KIND OF GROUPS.
SO THE 2018 BOND PROJECTS, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND RECONSTRUCTION, UH, ROBUST PUBLIC SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, INCREASED QUALITY OF SERVICES, TECHNOLOGIC, TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENT, AND OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO THE 2018 BOND PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, SLATED.
AND OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT IS AN ACTUAL C I P PROJECT WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE AUTHORIZED BY COUNCIL.
BUT FRITZ PARK, UH, IS INCLUDED.
ALSO, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, UH, 1616 NORTH AT 79, THE LANE CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE ASPHALT CONSTRUCTION, THAT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS SET TO BEGIN JULY 31ST.
THE LAST OVERHEAD, UH, FIBER OPTIC IS REMOVING IT.
IT WILL BE REMOVED BY MONDAY OR TUESDAY, AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD BE OUT WORKING.
SO THAT INTERSECTION IS SET TO GO OUT TO BID JULY 29TH.
UM, NO CLAPPING, BUT MAYBE NEXT TIME.
WELL, LOOK, AND I GET IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIVE YEARS, PROBABLY TOO LATE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO GET THAT PROJECT MOVING.
SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO HAVE THAT GOING OUT TO, TO BID FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE CONTINUANCE OF 1660 SOUTH AND US 79.
NOW, I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT FOR THE BOND FUND PURPOSES, ALL THREE OF THESE 1660 PROJECTS ARE FULLY FUNDED AS OF TODAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO, UH, COMPLY.
ALL RIGHT, INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND RECONSTRUCTION, THIS IS BRAND NEW.
WE'RE ADDING IN SIGNIFICANT ROAD MAINTENANCE.
AND WHEN I SAY I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SEGMENTS, THE REASON THAT THEY'RE SEGMENTS IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES A SEGMENT IS 150 FEET, SOMETIMES A SEGMENT IS 10 FEET.
BUT 44 CRACK SEAL SEGMENTS, 32 SURFACE PRESERVATION SEGMENTS, 36 SURFACE PRESERVATION AND POTHOLE REPAIR SEGMENTS, THREE MICROS, MICROSS SEAL AND PATCH SEGMENTS, SIX MIL OVERLAY AND, AND ONE TWO INCH MILL AND OVERLAY AND PATCH SEGMENT.
THAT LIST, UH, IS, IS, UM, ENUMERATED WHICH ROADS THEY ARE, WHICH SEGMENTS THEY ARE.
UH, WE ARE PUTTING THAT INTO THE COUNCIL'S BACKUP MATERIAL INTO YOUR BUDGET FOLDER.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
SO YOU CAN TELL SPECIFICALLY WHICH ROADS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE, UH, EMPHASIS ON FUNDING FOR THAT.
AND FOR SIDEWALKS FOR ROBUST PUBLIC SAFETY, WE'RE LOOKING AT MENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS, UH, IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY AND THE PD UH, PLANNING FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
UH, WE ALSO HAD TO ADD IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE'RE HAVING TO PAY THE COUNTY FOR DISPATCH.
SO WE ADDED IN FUNDING FOR DISPATCH.
UH, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE OUR BODY CAMERAS AND TO BRING THEM UP TO DATE WITH THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY.
UM, WE ALSO PROPOSING FLOCK CAMERA LICENSE READERS.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE CAMERA THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, DISTRIBUTED IN FIXED LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, TO HELP TRACKING, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP TRACKING PEOPLE FOR, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT WHENEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RE UH, INVESTIGATIONS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING A NIGHT SHIFT TO PAY DIFFERENTIAL FOR OUR POLICE.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY, YOUR NIGHT SHIFTS DON'T GET PAID ANY MORE THAN THE DAY SHIFTS.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A A, AN EXTRA STRAIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE INCLUDED THE U D C REWRITE.
NOW GRANTED WE'VE STARTED THAT THIS YEAR, BUT IT DOES BLEED OVER INTO NEXT YEAR.
SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THE U D C AND NEXT YEAR, UM, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED FUNDING FOR A MASTER PLAN FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A, A MASTER PLAN THAT WE WORK FROM.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A, A, A POSITION THAT WOULD ENHANCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, THROUGH BUSINESS RESOURCE.
SO BUSINESS RESOURCE SPECIALISTS, ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPOSAL TO ADD IN LINKEDIN, LEARNING FOR THE STAFF AND FOR ALL LIBRARY CARD HOLDERS SO THEY CAN ACCESS ALL THE TRAINING FROM LINKEDIN.
UM, THE, WE'RE CREATING A HU EMPLOYEE CONFERENCE.
THIS IS, UH, BEING CURRENTLY BRANDED AS THE HU HUDDLE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN SEVERAL OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH THE COUNCIL IS THAT, UH, THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE CONFERENCES TO ATTEND, BUT MOST OF THE FOLKS WHO WORK IN THE FIELD DO NOT.
AND, UH, I WAS INSPIRED BY THE CITY OF LANCASTER WHO CREATED BASICALLY AN EMPLOYEE CONFERENCE FOR ALL THE FIELD PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND, AND TO HAVE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU THERE.
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BUT IT WAS HOSTED AT THE CITY, IN THE CITY BY THE CITY.SO, UH, HU LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, THIS IS LEADING HUDU.
THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A BOOTCAMP FOR OUR SUPERVISORS TO GET THEM TRAINED UP TO WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPERVISING PROPERLY IN, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATION.
WE HAVE PARITY IN FOR MARKET RATE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO WHAT WE DON'T HAVE INFORMING THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS THE RESULTS OF OUR SALARY SURVEY AND COMPENSATION STUDY, UM, AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT'S CLOSE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA HAVE IT IN MY HANDS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SAY, THESE ARE ALL THE POSITIONS WE NEED TO RECLASS.
SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT WHAT THEIR PRELIMINARY DATA SAID AND PUT A LINE ITEM IN FOR THIS YEAR.
WHAT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL HAPPEN IS THE BULK OF THAT WILL LIKELY GO TO, UH, PD AND THE HOURLY EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'LL DO IT AGAIN AND WE'LL CATCH THE MID-MANAGEMENT PROBABLY IN THE YEAR AFTER THAT.
THEN WE'LL DO IT AGAIN, AND THEN WE'LL CAPTURE THE, THE LEADERSHIP FOLKS.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, A PROFESSIONAL CONTINUING EDUCATION FOR ALL THE, FOR ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, INCREASED QUALITY OF SERVICES.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT RESPONSE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE LIBRARY HOURS.
UM, WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL SUMMER CAMP SESSIONS.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLO IMPROVE, UH, THE TURNAROUND FOR OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE ON AC.
THAT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY RUN THEIR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND THEIR VEHICLES 24 7 TO KEEP THE ELECTRONICS COOL DURING, DURING THE SUMMER.
SO IF YOU EVER SEE A POLICE CAR IDLING, YOU'RE LIKE, MAN, THEY'RE WASTING GAS.
IT'S LING BECAUSE THEY ARE POWERING THE, THE AC AND ALL THE ELECTRONICS INSIDE.
UM, SO WE HAVE THAT, SO WE CAN TURN THAT AROUND A LOT FASTER.
WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN A SECOND MUNICIPAL COURT WINDOW, UH, SO WE CAN DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF, OF FRONT FACING SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DEMO THE BUILDING AT 2,600 COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
UM, THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT THE CITY OWNS, UM, UH, OUT THERE ON THE CORNER.
SO FOR THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT A SHOWER REFIT IN CITY HALL FOR ONE OF THE BATHROOMS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW CITY HALL TO FUNCTION MORE, UH, APPROPRIATELY FOR AN E O C.
IN THE MEANTIME, UM, FOR WHENEVER FOLKS ARE HAVING TO BE HERE 24 7, UH, TRAIL MAINTENANCE IS BEING ADDED IN ROAD AND, UH, RIGHT OF WAY DEBRIS REMOVAL IS BEING ADDED IN.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ADDING IN A CITIZEN REPORTING PHONE APP.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE CITIZEN TRACKER, WHICH HAS KIND OF JUST BEEN A SOUR TASTE OF MY MOUTH SINCE I GOT HERE, HALFTIME, IS IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WORKS.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA UPGRADE THAT TO THE VERSION, TO A VERSION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN APP ON A PHONE.
AND IT IS JUST MUCH MORE STREAMLINED AND SIMPLE FOR THE CITIZENS TO USE.
SNAP A PICTURE OF SOMETHING YOU SEE, SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE APP, THAT SORT OF THING.
TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH I GUESS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, BUT I PUT THAT UNDER QUALITY OF LIFE TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS.
WE'RE DOING REPEATERS FOR POLICE RADIOS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UH, THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE, THE POLICE, UH, RADIOS DON'T NECESSARILY PENETRATE.
WE'RE GONNA REBUILD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, TECHNOLOGICAL NETWORK.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT A FUTURE, UH, POLICE BUILDING THEY USE, THEY'RE ONE OF OUR BIGGER CONSUMERS AT TECHNOLOGY.
AND THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT CAN REALLY WAIT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE WIFI, UH, COVERAGE FOR THE PARKS AND RECS, UH, DEPARTMENT, THE PD BUILDING AND PUBLIC WORKS BUILDINGS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO UPGRADE, UH, MICROSOFT 365 TO ADD IN VOICEOVER PRO VOICE, VOICEOVER INTERNET PHONE PROTOCOL THROUGH OUR MICROSOFT TEAMS. UM, THAT'LL ALLOW US TO GET RID OF ALL OF OUR CITY CELL PHONES AND NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR CITY CELL PHONES.
THAT'S THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE LOGIN THAT THEN CONTROLS ALL OF YOUR VARIOUS DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGICAL NEEDS.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO FUND A DEDICATED FIBER RING FOR FACILITIES.
SO THIS IS EFFECTIVELY BUILDING IN FIBER FOR THE MAIN, UH, FACILITIES.
WE ALL HAVE HAD, UH, A NUMBER OF FIBER AND INTERNET ISSUES THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT REDUNDANT FIBER SERVICE, AND THEN AN R F I D ANTI-THEFT, UH, SYSTEM FOR THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS WE JUST KEEP PEOPLE FROM WALKING OUT WITH BOOKS, UH, WITHOUT US KNOWING IT.
AND THEN A NUMBER OF PD SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS THAT ARE ENHANCEMENTS.
ALTHOUGH, UH, WITH THE NUMBER YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE IN A MINUTE, IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY BIG NUMBER.
MOST OF THOSE WERE JUST US ACCOUNTING FOR THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF, OF NEW ADS THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE HOLIDAY DECOR.
UH, FOR CHRISTMAS, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST OR A PROPOSAL TO PUT IN IT, EVEN A CHRISTMAS DRONE SHOW.
SO I CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ON THE, ON THE FLOOR KOCH FEST.
SO THE, UH, E D C HAS ELECTED NOT TO CONTINUE TO FUND KOCH FEST.
SO NOW KOCH FEST IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OVER ON THE CITY SIDE OF THE LEDGER.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO REFINISH THE BLEACHERS AT N WIND FIELD, THE FOOTBALL FIELD OVER, UH, NEAR FRITZ PARK.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL MORE CANOPY TREES AND PICNIC TABLES AT ARE AT ORAIN PET WEST PET WASTE STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PARKS.
UH, SOCCER FIELD, ELECTRICAL ENHANCEMENTS, AND FINISHING OUT THE GEN BUILDING.
SO I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IT'S LIKE, WILL IT HAVE RESTROOMS? WILL IT HAVE AIR CONDITIONING
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RIGHT NOW? NO.UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET IT TO WHERE IT'S SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO EGRESS AND EGRESS OUT OF THE BUILDING, UH, FINISH OUT WHERE THE REBARB STICKING OUT AND THE CONCRETE HASN'T FINISHED, AND GET IT TO WHERE IT CAN ACTUALLY BE AN, AN ENCLOSED.
UH, WHERE IT CAN ACTUALLY BE, UH, USED AS, AS AN ENCLOSED PAVILION FOR THE MOST PART.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF NEW PERSONNEL POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY HAS 143 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS.
WE HAVE SEVEN VACANCIES RIGHT NOW.
STILL THAT HAS NOT BEEN CUT FROM.
THE PROPOSED OPTIONS ARE 32 GENERAL FUND POSITIONS AND 10 UTILITY FUND POSITIONS, AND THEN FOUR POTENTIAL RECLASSIFICATIONS.
I'M NOT INCLUDING SEASONAL AND TEMPORARY IN THIS BECAUSE CAMP COUNSELORS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, WHEN WE ADD THOSE, THERE'S AN OFFSET IN REVENUE SPECIFICALLY, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MANY CHILDREN AND KIDS WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE IN OUR PROGRAM.
IF WE WANNA HAVE MORE KIDS, WE HIRE MORE CAMP COUNSELORS AND WE HAVE MORE REVENUE AND THEY BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT.
BUT THERE'S ABOUT 20 OR SO I THINK THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSED FOR CAMP COUNSELORS.
SO WE CAN ADD ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER, UH, TIER OF, OF KIDS THAT CAN SIGN UP FOR THE SUMMER CAMPS.
I THINK THIS YEAR JEFF TOLD ME THAT THERE ARE 440 KIDS THAT ARE SIGNED UP ON THE WAITING LIST TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SUMMER CAMPS THIS YEAR.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE, COULD YOU GO BACK WHEN YES, I CAN.
SENIOR MANAGER, UH, UM, COULD YOU DEFINE THE GF SLASH UF AGAIN FOR ME? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
GENERAL FUND AND UTILITY FUND.
YEAH, SO 32 GENERAL FUND POSITIONS, 10 UTILITY FUND POSITIONS, AND FOR THE PUBLIC, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE GENERAL FUND IS GENERALLY PAID FOR WITH, WITH PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS.
THE UTILITY FUND IS GENERALLY PAID FOR WITH UTILITY RATES THAT YOU PAY FOR YOUR WATER BILL, YOUR WASTEWATER BILLS ON AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN FOUR POTENTIAL RECLASSIFICATIONS.
SO THE PROPOSED RECLASSIFICATIONS, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST REALIGNING THE POSITIONS WITH, WITH WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE, UM, SALARY WISE WITH THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE ORGANIZATION.
I HAVE A SNEAKY SUSPICION THAT THIS LIST WAS GONNA GET VERY BIG WHENEVER WE GET THE, UH, UM, THE COMP STUDY BACK, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MOVEMENT, UH, OR PROPOSED MOVEMENTS ANYWAY, UH, FROM THAT STUDY.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, TRANSITION TO THE PROGRAM AND EVENTS COORDINATOR, THE GRAPHIC DESIGNER TO THE SENIOR GRAPHIC SPECIALIST, WHICH MATCHES THE OTHER TWO SPECIALISTS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
I AM PROPOSING TO SWITCH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FROM A COORDINATOR POSITION TO A DIRECTOR POSITION AS WE START TO BUILD THAT OUT.
AND THEN HUMAN RESOURCES, UM, WE HAVE A POSITION THAT IS CURRENTLY AT THE HIGH END OF COORDINATOR, AND WE WANNA RESTYLE THAT TO SUPERVISOR POSITIONS UNDER REVIEW.
UM, THESE ARE THE POSITIONS THAT HAVE NOT GOT, HAVE NOT HIT THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR YET.
SO, UH, I ORIGINALLY, I TOLD YOU 32, I ORIGINALLY HAD 77, SO THIS HAS BEEN CUT DOWN FROM 77 DOWN TO 32 ALREADY.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO MS. WEAVER'S COMMENT ABOUT IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN, YOU GOTTA TAKE SOMETHING OUT THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING TOO, BECAUSE I'M GETTING WAY MORE REQUESTS THAN WE COULD EVER DREAM OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD.
SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO PUT SOMETHING OR SAVE A POSITION FOR SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO COME OUT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET TO THIS.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING AN ADMIN ASSISTANT SUPPORT FOR SHARED BETWEEN COMMUNICATIONS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH, CREATING A OUTREACH SPECIALIST POSITION FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT'LL BE FOCUSED ON NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THIS IS A SENIOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS RESOURCE SPECIALIST, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, BRINGING IN AN ASSISTANT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, ENGINEERING PLAN, REVIEW ENGINEER, UH, TWO SENIOR ACCOUNTANTS FOR FINANCE.
ONE OF THEM WOULD BE SPECIAL, SPECIAL PROJECTS AND AUDIT FUNCTIONS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD A FLEET MECHANIC.
UH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON IN FLEET MAINTENANCE TODAY, SO WE REALLY NEED A SECOND PERSON FOR THE SMALL ENGINE REPAIRS.
AND THE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU CAN'T JUST RUN DOWN TO TOLAR OR TOVAR AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT CALLED? TOVAR, RIGHT? THAT'S WHO WHO HELPED ME OUT.
I CAN'T RUN OVER TO TOVAR TO GET FIXED.
UM, SO THAT'S THAT IT AN ENTERPRISE SOLUTION ANALYST.
WHAT THIS PERSON IS, IS ALL THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING HAS A VERY HIGH EMPHASIS AND, AND CONSUMPTION OF TIME ON IMPLEMENTING THE SOFTWARE.
CLEAR GOV IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION THAT NEED TO, THAT NEED TO BE SUPPORTED.
SO THE LIBRARY ASKED FOR A FOUNDATION MANAGER.
UM, I DIDN'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THE LIBRARY ALONE, UH, COULD, COULD, COULD JUSTIFY A FOUNDATION MANAGER, A PERSON WHO GOES OUT TO FUNDRAISE.
UM, BUT IF WE, SO I HAVE PUT LIBRARY SLASH COMMUNITY OUTREACH BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA END UP IF IT STAYS IN THE,
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IN THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH DIVISION.AND THE FOUNDATION MANAGER THEN WOULD BE TASKED WITH RA WITH RAISING FUNDS FOR PARKS AND FOR, UM, THE ARTS AND FOR THE LIBRARY AND FOR THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, NON-PROFIT, NO, WELL, NOT THE PROFITS, 5 0 1 C THREES, UH, FOUNDATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE LIBRARY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO LIBRARY ASSISTANTS AND ONE TECHNICIANS.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS THE ENHANCED LIBRARY HOURS.
UH, IN PARKS, WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE, UH, OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND AND TO DO, UH, WORK AND TRAIL MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE ENHANCING OUR PARKS AND REC MAINTENANCE TECHS, UH, THREE THERE, AND THEN A RECREATIONAL COORDINATOR FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS THAT GO ON IN THE, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT'S CONSUMING MOST OF MY PARKS DIRECTOR.
UH, AND MY PHILOSOPHY IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THINGS THAT OTHER THAN THE THINGS THAT ONLY YOU CAN DO.
SO WE NEED TO SPIN THAT OUT AND HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COVER THOSE ROLES OR NOT DO THE SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, MENTAL HEALTH CIVILIAN, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT MENTAL HEALTH IS FOR PD.
I THINK, AND I'M, I'M GONNA PONTIFICATE HERE FOR A SECOND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I AM, BUT, UM, WHAT E M SS BECAME TO THE FIRE SERVICE, BECAUSE THOSE TWO REALLY KIND OF GOT PAIRED TOGETHER, HAND IN HAND.
MENTAL HEALTH HAS BECOME FOR PD, AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE RECOGNIZED IT THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO.
SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GENERALLY RESPONDING TO FOLKS WHO ARE IN SOME STATE OF MENTAL HEALTH OR MENTAL CRISIS.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, IS GENERALLY RESPONDING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE SOME FORM OF HEALTH CRISIS OR HEALTH STATE.
SO, UM, SO WE NEED TO, UH, PROP UP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS VERY SPECIALIZED IT NEEDS AND, UH, IS A MASSIVE CONSUMER OF IT IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
UH, SO HAVING SOMEONE IN THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT THAT CAN SPECIALIZE ON THEIR STUFF IS, IS NEEDED.
UH, I'M ALSO SLATING IN ADDITIONAL FOUR PEACE OFFICERS, POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, SO WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES RIGHT NOW, I THINK IF MEMORY SERVES.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD PUT US WITH, UH, EIGHT AUTHORIZED AND THEN AN ADMIN ASSISTANT FOR POLICE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL REPORTING.
AND, UH, THE, THE ANALYTICS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE PD SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, A CRIME SCENE.
THIS IS A CIVILIAN POSITION RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE ONE, SO SHE'S ON CALL 24 7.
IF THERE'S A CRIME AFTER HOURS, SHE HAS TO ROLL OUT AND GO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR FOR ANY EMPLOYEE TO HAVE TO ALWAYS BE ON CALL ALL THE TIME.
UM, SO THIS IS A SECOND PERSON.
AND WE DO HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY ENOUGH WORK, UH, FOR A SECOND PROPERTY CRIME SCENE PERSON TO, UH, TO BE ENGAGED.
THIS IS, IF YOU EVER WATCH THE TV SHOW, C S I, THIS IS THE GLORIFIED VERSION OF C SS I, UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THESE FOLKS DO.
THEY, THEY PHOTOGRAPH, THEY COLLECT EVIDENCE, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
THEN STREETS, STREETS ARE A MAJOR ISSUE FOR US TRANSPORTATION WISE.
UH, MAINTENANCE WISE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE SEEN WHAT THE NEW MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE, UH, THE INVESTMENT THERE LOOKS LIKE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD SIX POSITION IN STREETS TO BE ABLE TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, THAT STILL WON'T PUT US WHERE I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE BY ANY MEANS.
BUT IT'S A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THERE'S ONE OTHER, UH, CONSTRAINT.
UM, WE CAN ONLY ONBOARD SO MANY PEOPLE.
SO EVEN IF I WANTED TO HIRE 40 NEW, 40 NEW STREET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO GO DO STREETS, I CAN'T.
SO I PUT THESE IN FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I'M GONNA KIND OF BURN THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT WAY YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY LIVE.
SO THE VALUE ADDS HERE ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
THIS IS INCREASED PRESENCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR HOAS AND POAS, UM, ENHANCING THE CITIZENS UNIVERSITY, IMPROVE OUR CITYWIDE EFFICIENCIES.
AND THEN PUT IN THE LEADERSHIP, UH, DEVELOPMENT STUFF FOR OUR, UH, STAFF HERE AT CITY, AT CITY HALL, WELL, FOR ALL THE CITY.
BUT HERE AT CITY HALL COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WE HAVE A HALF ADMIN PERSON.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE EQUIPMENT AND COLLABORATION SPACE AND SOPHISTICATION OF SOFTWARE TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND COLLECTING OUR RESIDENT SENTIMENT, COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE OUTREACH SPECIALISTS, UH, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION.
THEN WE HAVE OUR VALUE ADDS UPGRADES IN THE HOLIDAY, PROGRAMMING, INVESTMENT, HOLIDAY DECOR, INCREASED PROGRAMMING ON THE CO-OP TOWN, GREEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JUST THE REWRITE OF THE U D C DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I WILL SAY, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THIS YEAR HAS BEEN THE FOCUS.
AND I THINK OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS AS HEALTHY AS IT'S EVER BEEN.
SO I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF VALUE ADDS DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE DISSATISFIED WITH THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON.
IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY THERE AND WE'RE DOING THE THINGS WE NEED TO BE DOING.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE THE BUSINESS RESOURCE SPECIALIST POSITION, AND THEN THE VALUE ADDS HERE.
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LINKEDIN LEARNING, UH, FOR ALL HU WORKFORCE.SO THEY'RE GONNA SPIN OUT THAT LINKEDIN LEARNING TO THE WORKFORCE.
UH, MASTER PLAN DESIGN FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY, BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAMMING, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE ASSISTANT COORDINATOR.
WE'RE ADDING IN SUPPLIES FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLE.
AND THEN WE'RE GETTING THE PROPER RADIOS WITH THE LONG-TERM EVOLUTION CAPABILITIES.
ENGINEERING THE PLAN REVIEW ENGINEER.
SO THAT'S REVIEWING ALL THE PLANS THAT COME IN.
BUT VALUE ADDS, WE'RE ADDING A MULTI-LANE RADAR TRAFFIC COUNTER SO WE CAN DO BETTER ON THE SPOT RESPONSES FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT TO ENABLE MORE SITE VISITS.
UM, THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE OVER IN PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, THAT'S WHERE OUR INSPECTORS ARE, UNLESS THAT'S JUST FOR YOU TO GO OUT.
IS THAT FOR YOU AND YOUR C I P ENGINEER? YES.
SO IT'S FOR THE C I P ENGINEER WHO'S GOING OUT DOING THE SITE VISITS, SOFTWARE PROCUREMENT, DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN AND TRAFFIC MASTER PLAN, OR AN ENGINEERING FACILITIES MAINTENANCE.
UH, WE'RE ADDING IN A SCISSOR LIFT.
THIS WILL ALSO BE USED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR CHANGING OUT THE HIGH LOCK BULBS.
SECURITY COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY, IMPROVEMENTS IN CITY HALL, THE GEN BUILDING, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE SAUL HOUSE.
DEMOLITION OF THE CITY PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2,600 COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
THAT WAS THE HOUSE THAT THE CAR RAN INTO.
IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED THERE? THE TREE FELL, TREE FELL ON IT.
IT JUST LOOKED LIKE A CAR BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRECKED FROM THE FRONT FINANCE AND MUNICIPAL COURT.
UH, SENIOR ACCOUNTANT, WE HAVE TWO ACCOUNTANT POSITIONS FOR FINANCE.
UH, ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE, UH, SPECIAL, SPECIAL PROJECTS AND AUDIT, UH, VALUE ADS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD IN ROBOCALL FOR, UH, WARRANT NOTIFICATIONS, INCREASE RECONCILIATION CAPABILITY AND RECORD CONTROL FOR OUR BONDS AND OUR PIS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SPECIAL PROJECTS TO INCREASE REPORTING MECHANICS FOR COUNCIL AND RESIDENTS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD A DEDICATED BAILIFF WARRANT OFFICER.
SO WHENEVER THEY'RE IN COURT BAILIFF, WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN COURT WARRANT OFFICER, FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE MECHANIC AC RECYCLING UNIT.
IMPROVED WORKING TIME ON CITY REPAIRS.
ADDITIONAL CAPABILITY THROUGH CONDUCTING IN-HOUSE SMALL ENGINE REPAIRS AND UTILIZING OUR ENTERPRISE FLEET.
PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE FOR SAVINGS.
HUMAN RESOURCES, WE'VE SLID IN INTERNS.
I DIDN'T PUT THEM IN THE F T E LIST 'CAUSE I CONSIDER THOSE TEMPORARY, BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF INTERNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAVE WORKED FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, SO I'M CONSOLIDATING 'EM THERE.
WE HAVE THE PARITY PAY IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
FOCUS ON EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION AND DEVELOPMENT AND THE LINKEDIN LEARNING IT.
UH, THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEMS ANALYST VALUE ADS HERE.
IMPROVED INTERNET CONNECTIVITY AND RELIABILITY FOR CITY FACILITIES.
DEDICATED FIBER RING NETWORK SERVER AND SECURITY UPGRADES.
IMPROVE TECHNOLOGICAL CAPABILITIES WITHIN CITY HALL.
AND THEN ENTERPRISE MANAGEMENT AND INVENTORY TOOLS.
LIBRARY PROPOSED FTES, THE LIBRARY MANAGER, THE TWO ASSISTANTS AND THE TECHNICIAN.
THE VALUE ADDS ARE INCREASE THE COLLECTION SECURITY USING THE R F I D ENHANCE LIBRARY HOURS.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK WHAT IT MEANS IS WE'D BE OPEN AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK, TWO NIGHTS DURING THE WEEK AND WE'D BE OPEN ON SATURDAYS.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? UH, ADDITIONAL TWO NIGHTS, ADDITIONAL TWO NIGHTS A WEEK.
LINKEDIN, LEARNING FOR THE LIBRARY, PATRONS, PARKS AND REC.
UH, THREE MAINTENANCE TECHS AND THEN 20 SUMMER CAMP STU, YOU KNOW, FOLKS.
SO THOSE ARE TEMPORARY SEASONAL POSITIONS, BUT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN WE JUST DON'T HAVE MORE SLOTS.
THAT'S ALL THAT BASICALLY IS VALUE ADDS HERE IS IMPROVED.
PARK AND PARK FACILITY MAINTENANCE, ADDITIONAL PARK, PARK AMENITIES, PARK ENHANCEMENTS, ADDITIONAL PARK PROGRAMMING AND ADDITIONAL SUMMER CAMP SLOTS.
OKAY, SO THERE'S EIGHT POSITIONS HERE IN MENTAL HEALTH POLICE, IT, UH, ADMINISTRATION, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT CRIME SCENE, PROPERTY TECH, AND FOUR POLICE OFFICERS VALUE ADS.
INCREASED SERVICE ALSO FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
UPDATED SOFTWARE TO INCREASE RESPONSE TIMES AND DATA COLLECTION.
ELEVATING EQUIPMENT AND WORKSPACE AND SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL PAY.
PUBLIC WORKS, SENIOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, UH, FOUR STREET TECHNICIAN ONES AND TWO STREET TECHNICIANS.
TWOS, UM, VALUE ADDS HERE ARE STREET POTHOLE REPAIR, STREET SWEEPING AND DEBRIS REMOVAL.
C I P INSPECTION UTILITY FUND.
SO THAT WAS ALL GENERAL FUND, THAT WAS ALL THE 32 GENERAL FUND PLUS THE TEMPORARY UTILITIES PROPOSED FTES, THREE UTILITY TECHS.
SO THESE ARE WATER WASTEWATER.
UH, TWO SENIOR UTILITY TECHS, A UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT THAT'S FOR SCADA, WHICH IS THE OPERATIONS AND CONTROL PART OF OUR SYSTEM.
AND TWO, UH, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS DEDICATED TO WATER AND WASTEWATER.
VALUE ADDS INCREASED C I P INSPECTIONS, ADDING IN SCADA OPERATIONS AND CONTROLS.
UH, MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND PROACTIVE UTILITY MAINTENANCE AND FUTURE WATER SUPPLY.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL IN THERE CURRENTLY.
UTILITY BILLING AND EXTRA C S R, UH, ONE OF THE LADIES THAT SIT UP FRONT, ANSWER THE PHONE, RESPOND TO EMAILS, IMPROVE RESPONSE TIME ON INQUIRIES, APPLICATION PROCESSING AND DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS ENGINEERING.
UM, AND THE VALUE ADDS HERE AND THE UTILITY SIDE ARE THE UTILITY MODELING SOFTWARE BEING ABLE TO PREPARE OUR,
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UH, SERVICE EXTENSION REQUESTS INTERNALLY, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, TRYING TO TRANSITION FROM OUTHOUSE TO IN-HOUSE.AND ALSO, UH, FUNDING FOR, UH, IMPACT FEE STUDY.
I'M BASICALLY DONE WITH ALL THE VALUE ADD, BUT HERE'S WHY I TOLD YOU THAT IT MATTERS ON LIKE YOUR RESPONSES AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING BECAUSE THESE ARE A LIST OF ALL THE FUNDS THAT I HAVE THAT I, THAT I HAVE TO WORK WITH OR I HAVE TO WORK WITH.
UM, A NUMBER OF THESE ARE, ARE DEDICATED LIKE PIT PIT FUNDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THOSE ARE DEDICATED TO SPECIAL THINGS, UH, THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THOSE PIS.
AND IT'S JUST MONEY IN, MONEY OUT.
BUT THE COURT TECHNOLOGY FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS A FUND THAT HAS MONEY THAT COMES INTO IT, UM, AND REGULARLY THAT I CAN ONLY EXPEND FOR COURT TECHNOLOGY.
SO EVEN THOUGH SOMETHING MAY BE ON THAT OTHER LIST, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'LL BE END UP GETTING PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS.
IT MIGHT END UP GETTING PAID FOR BY ONE OF THESE OTHER MULTI FUND SOURCES.
SO THE BIGGER ONES ARE GONNA BE YOUR, UH, YOUR IMPACT FEE FUND, UM, YOUR, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE FUND, YOUR PARKS IMPROVEMENT FUND.
THOSE ARE YOUR BIGGER ONES, BUT CERTAINLY THESE OTHER ONES ARE SPREAD ALONG TOO.
SO BUDGET CALENDAR THAT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE AT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GOING.
JULY 25TH IS THE, IS THE DEADLINE TO PROVIDE THE CERTIFIED PROPERTY TAX ROLE.
I WILL BE SUBMITTING MY PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL AUGUST 3RD.
I WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I EXPECT THAT TO TAKE A LONG TIME.
IT TOOK ME 30 MINUTES JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE HIGHLIGHTS.
IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN THE 30 MINUTES FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE BUDGET.
UM, AUGUST 17TH WILL BE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON THE BUDGET.
THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL WILL START MAKING, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT I PROPOSED.
EITHER ADDING THINGS IN, TAKING THINGS OUT, CHANGING WHAT WE WANNA DO AT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UH, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER FOUR, THAT IS A DEDICATED DAY.
'CAUSE 17TH IS A COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AUGUST 24TH IS A SPECIAL, IT'S ONLY BUDGET, AND THAT'S WHERE BASICALLY ALL THE FINAL DECISIONS REALLY NEED TO GET HONED IN BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY COME UP IN THE LAST PUBLIC HEARINGS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE LAST ONE OR 2%.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUBLISH PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR 17TH AND 24TH, I'M GONNA HAVE STAFF PUBLISH PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET.
IT'LL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, IT'LL BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
WE'LL PRINT OUT A, A, A HARD COPY AND PUT IT IN THE LIBRARY.
UM, SO IT'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR Y'ALL TO, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON, BECAUSE WE DO NEED FEEDBACK.
SO, WHAT DID I MISS? WHAT DID Y'ALL HAVE AS PRIORITIES THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE REFLECTED SOMEWHERE? AND THEN ARE THERE OTHER RELATED ITEMS OR DIRECTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO THE CITY MANAGER PERTAINING TO THE BUDGET? SO I CAN TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT, MAYOR.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.
LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T NEED MUCH
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND I'M SURE THAT'LL GET THE, THE COUNCIL, UH, GOING.
IF YOU CAN START AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE SLIDE.
I THINK IT'S THE SECOND SLIDE FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT THE ONE ABOUT THE TAX RATES.
SO THE ONLY THING I ASK HERE IS THAT I ALWAYS FIND WHEN THERE'S A, WE USED TO HAVE A COMPARISON OF FTES MM-HMM.
AND I ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT WAS MISLEADING BECAUSE SOME CITIES HAVE A MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE, SOME CITIES HAVE AN ELECTRICAL DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WE WOULD COMPARE THAT WE ARE SHORT ON FTES COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES.
AND WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, YOU SAID, OH, WELL THEY HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T, I KIND OF SOMETIMES HAVE THE SAME THING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THE TAX RATE IS, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY TWO COMPONENTS TO IT, RIGHT? IT'S MADE UP OF WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS.
AND SO BASED ON THAT BIG COMPONENT COMPARING STUFF TO SAY BELTON AND GOING, WE HAVE A BETTER TAX RATE THAN BELTON.
WELL, BELTON'S HOMES MAY NOT HAVE HAD THREE YEARS OF 20 PLUS PERCENT GROWTH.
AND SO THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEIR RATE, THEY MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOWER, IF WE WANNA DO A COMPARISON.
MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IF YOU DO LIKE THE ACTUAL TAX DOLLARS THAT SOMEONE PAYS, BUT EVEN THAT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE, UM, A $500,000 HOUSE IN, IN HU IN SLO TEXAS MAY BE $150,000 HOUSE.
AND SO MAYBE SLO HAS A HIGHER TAX RATE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GETTING THE SAME TAX DOLLARS.
SO MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE IS, WE DON'T EVEN USE THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S SO, I COULD ARGUE ONE WAY.
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MEMBER CLARK COULD ARGUE A DIFFERENT WAY.MAYOR PROM GORDON COULD ARGUE A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, SINCE IT'S NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, UM, I JUST HAVE THAT OUT.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE POSITIONS, IF YOU GO TO THE, UM, THE SLIDE WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS IN, IN ALL THESE.
ONE IS, I DON'T MIND THE, IT PERSONALLY, UH, THERE BEING A POLICE.
IT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS IF, IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, THAT THE POLICE IT PERSON IS HOUSED UNDER THE IT DEPARTMENT, NOT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE WHAT I CAN SEE IN THE FUTURE IS, IS YOU HAVE TWO IT DEPARTMENTS DOWN IN THE CITY, TWO PEOPLE GETTING DIFFERENT LICENSES, TWO PEOPLE RUNNING DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND IF WE HAVE ONE IT DEPARTMENT, THERE CAN BE A SPECIALIST THAT KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE WHATEVER IT IS THEY DO ON THE POLICE SIDE.
BUT IF THEY REPORT TO A DIFFERENT PERSON, UM, WE BASICALLY HAVE TWO ORGANIZATIONS USING THE SAME, USING, UM, DOUBLE THE RESOURCES POTENTIALLY FROM A COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
I'M CONCERNED HEARING THAT WE MAY HIRE SOMEONE WHOSE JOB IS TO FUNDRAISE MONEY, BECAUSE IF YOU SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO RAISE 50,000, IT WOULD'VE BEEN CHEAPER IF YOU JUST DIDN'T FUNDRAISE.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY THAT COULD GO TO SIDEWALKS AND WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND FUNDRAISE WITH THAT MONEY.
UM, IT, IT JUST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN, UM, THE CONCERN THERE.
FROM A COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY ON SOME OF THESE TO INVOLVE OUR 5 0 1 C THREES.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT I R S TAX CODE, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF A 5 0 1 C THREE IS TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT.
AND SO WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION OR TWO THAT IS ALL INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK, AND, AND WE'VE HAD A MEETING RECENTLY, WHICH I'LL GET TO THAT POSITION, BUT WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT POTENTIALLY WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY, WE CAN HELP, UM, A NONPROFIT DO A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF WHATEVER IT IS FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
BUT AGAIN, IF WE START HIRING PEOPLE IN A CITY TO GET OUTSIDE OF CORE GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITIES, I THINK WE LOSE OUR FOCUS ON WHAT OUR CORE IS, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW TRANSPORTATION.
LIKE GENERALLY WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE, THERE'S THREE THINGS THEY WANT DONE IN THE CITY.
THEY WANT ROADS, AND THEN THEY WANT ROADS, AND THEN THEY WANT ROADS.
AND SO EVERYTHING WE DO OUTSIDE OF ROADS, ROADS AND ROADS MAKES ME FEEL LIKE NOW'S NOT THE TIME TO EXPAND.
UM, GOVERNMENT NOW'S THE TIME TO FOCUS ON THE CORE AND GET THE CORE CORRECTED AND THE CORE RESPONSIBILITIES CAUGHT UP SO THAT WE DON'T RUN OUT OF WATER, WE DON'T RUN INTO A WASTEWATER ISSUE.
AND THEN MAYBE THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING STABILIZED.
AND THE LAST THING, UM, THE BUSINESS RESOURCE SPECIALIST, THE CITY MANAGER AND I HAD A MEETING, UM, THE INITIAL, UM, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I HEARD THIS POSITION WAS GONNA DO WAS ALMOST WHAT A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WOULD POTENTIALLY DO.
THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS, UH, UNDERSTANDING BUSINESSES.
HOW ARE THINGS GOING FOR YOU? WHAT ARE THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? WHAT DO YOU NEED ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING WITH THE GOVERNMENT? AND I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, IS GOVERNMENT CREATES A BUREAUCRATIC SYSTEM AND THEN THEY HIRE A PERSON TO HELP A PERSON GET THROUGH THE BUREAUCRATIC SYSTEM.
IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S SELF-FEEDING ITSELF.
AND THE MEETING WE HAD WAS WITH THE CHAMBER, AND THERE WAS A HYPOTHETICAL THAT, HEY, IS THERE AN ABILITY TO, UM, SOME PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, UM, FEEL THAT THE CHAMBER CAN DO MORE FOR BUSINESSES AND CAN WE EMPOWER THEM AS A 5 0 1 C THREE OR FIVE OH C WHATEVER THEY'RE 19 OR SEVEN OR SOMETHING.
CAN WE GIVE THEM, CAN WE HIRE THEM ON A CONTRACTUAL BASIS AND PAY THEM LIKE A QUARTERLY AMOUNT OF MONEY TO WHERE THEY REACH OUT TO BUSINESSES, THEY ASK QUESTIONS, THEY MEET WITH THE BUSINESSES, THEY COME BACK, PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE CITY.
IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN CITY HALL OR SOME ORDINANCE COUNCILS LOOKING AT PASSING, THEY CAN RELAY THAT INFORMATION BACK.
AND THEN AFTER A YEAR OR TWO, WE CAN THEN KINDA EASE OFF.
THEY'VE POTENTIALLY SHOWN A BETTER VALUE TO BUSINESSES.
THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE THEN SIGNED UP AND BECOME MEMBERS.
I THINK THEY HAVE, UH, JAMES, WHAT DO THEY SAY? FOUR MEMBER OR FOUR EMPLOYEES NOW LOOKING AT HIRING ANOTHER ONE, I BELIEVE SO MAYOR AND, AND ONE OF THEIR POSITIONS IS VERY CORRELATED AND OVERLAPS THIS.
I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS NEEDED.
UM, A COUPLE OF 'EM, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE IN TERMS OF, UM, I THINK IF YOU GO ONE MORE SLIDE, MAYBE THERE WAS, UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT, I'M SORRY.
WAS THERE ONE MORE AFTER THIS? NOPE, THAT WAS IT.
I'LL HAVE TO, I TOOK PICTURES SO I HAVE TO GO BACK.
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SOME OF IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE INCREASING, UM, WE, WE WERE INCREASING THINGS, BUT THEN IT, IT WAS A NEW SERVICE.WE'RE INCREASING LIKE BY TWO BODIES.
AND MADE ME WONDER, SHOULD WE START WITH ONE PERSON FIRST? SEE HOW THAT GOES SINCE IT'S A NEW, WELL, SO THE LIBRARY MIGHT BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO TO ENHANCE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE WOULD BE ADDING BODIES TO ADD HOURS.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF, OF MATH AND, UH, SAFETY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE LIBRARY BY THEMSELVES EXTRA HOURS IN ORDER TO BE OPEN.
AND YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY HOURS.
SO THAT STUFF'S ALL BEEN CALCULATED.
BUT IF IT'S ANOTHER ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF, UM, WHERE WE'RE PAIRING IT TOGETHER, UM, LIKE, UH, I MEAN, MAYBE THE STREETS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE WHERE I'M ADDING IN, YOU KNOW, THE STREET TECHS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO START, UH, REPAIRING POTHOLES.
NO ONE WAS LIKE, SAY CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, WE'RE ADDING TWO.
AND SO, UM, OH, I'M ADDING TWO BECAUSE THERE'S CURRENTLY 75 OR 80 C I P PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THIS YEAR.
SO I CANNOT PHYSICALLY GET ALL THOSE INSPECTED IF THEY'RE ALL BEING BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO ONCE Y'ALL MAKE DECISIONS TODAY OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN FOR FUNDING FOR 24 FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER SPECIFICALLY, THEN I WILL THEN RESPOND WITH, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE INSPECTOR CAN HANDLE THIS AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD, TWO INSPECTORS CAN HANDLE THIS AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD.
THAT'S HOW I MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IT IS WE'RE ADDING INSPECTORS BEFORE WE KNOW THE PROJECTS THEY'RE GONNA INSPECT.
AND SO, WELL, AS LONG AS YOU'RE CAPABLE OR NOT CAPABLE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.
THAT'S WHY WE CUT THE PROJECTS IN HALF.
WE WON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D ADD IS WHEN, WHEN I GO TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET, I'M ALWAYS GONNA LOOK AT, I, I THINK MY ONLY PURPOSE UP HERE WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETS IS HOW ARE WE HELPING THE TAXPAYER RIGHT? NOW, SOME OF THE TIMES YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR EMPLOYEES ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY TRAINED, THEY'RE TREATED WELL, THEY'RE PAID WELL BECAUSE UNHAPPY EMPLOYEES CREATE UNHAPPY CITIZENS ULTIMATELY.
BUT THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO A THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, I THINK I'VE TALKED TO ASHLEY ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THAT WE HAVE THE FASTEST TURNAROUND ON, SAY, PLANS IN THE ENTIRE METRO AREA.
I MEAN, SOME CITIES TAKE FOUR MONTHS TO TURN SOMETHING AROUND.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID THAT SOME SERVICES MAY BE A PLUS, PLUS PLUS.
AND IF IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BENEFITING THE TAXPAYER, DOES THE SERVICE NEED TO BE THAT? WELL, AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING YOU'VE ADDED DOES THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF AN INSPECTOR IN, IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITIES, YOU CALL ON A MONDAY AND THEY SAY THEY'LL BE OUT THERE THURSDAY AND WE'RE TRYING TO CALL ON A MONDAY AND WE'LL BE OUT THERE BY MONDAY AT NOON.
THE EXTRA COST OF THAT ISN'T REALLY BENEFITING ANYBODY.
SO I THINK THERE'S, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE SOME SERVICES WE HAVE THAT WE, AS COMPARED TO PURE CITIES, WE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY WAY ABOVE.
AND SO I DIDN'T SEE POSITIONS ADDED IN, SAY, PLANNING, BUT RIGHT.
I THINK FROM A STANDPOINT, IF, IF THEY'RE BREAKING THEIR BACK IN SOME DEPARTMENTS TO PROVIDE AN EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK THAT HARD.
AND THEY CAN WORK LESS HARD IN SOME DEPARTMENTS KNOWING THAT AS LONG AS THEY RESPOND BACK IN A WEEK, EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT, MAYOR, BECAUSE I'LL, I'LL SAY REAL QUICKLY, UM, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIFICALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A POSITION, IT, I DO CONSIDER IT NOW, AND ASHLEY AND MATT ARE, UH, A GREAT, UH, REASON FOR THIS AN A PLUS SERVICE.
HOWEVER, MOST OF THAT A PLUS SERVICE IS PAID FOR AS A PASS THROUGH FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS BIG OF AN ISSUE FOR THE TAX, YOU KNOW, THE TAX IMPACT.
SO, UH, IF AND IF I HAD TO GRADE RIGHT NOW, UH, THE, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF A PLUS DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF D AND F DEPARTMENTS TOO.
SO, AND THAT'S BASICALLY REFLECTED BY WHERE I'M, I'M LOOKING TO PUT RESOURCES.
DID THAT SPARK ANYTHING FROM THE IT DID.
UM, SO I ATTENDED A, UH, E D C MEETING WHERE THE, UM, THE TWO MEMBERS OF STAFF PRESENTED THAT WE NEEDED A ADDITIONAL POSITION AND THEY, YOU KNOW, OUTLINED WHAT THIS POSITION WOULD DO AND WHERE THE DEFICIENCIES ARE CURRENTLY THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE POSITION.
AND SO, I GUESS GOING ON WITH YOUR POINT, AND WITH THE MAYOR'S POINT OF UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THE D AND F UH, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY DOING, WHAT THEIR CURRENT WORKLOAD LOOKS LIKE.
THEN TURNING AROUND AND SAYING, IF WE HAD THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE COULD ACHIEVE.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF OF THAT AS
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WELL AS THE CITIZENS COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POSITION'S GONNA BE AND WHAT THEY WOULD END UP HELPING THE CITIZENS, UH, YOU KNOW, BE HAPPY ABOUT OR VICE VERSA.AND THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GATHER THAT FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTAND, OH, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS, WE ALSO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON COULD TAG TEAM ON THIS EFFORT AND WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SAVE MONEY BY NOT PUTTING THAT POSITION IN, OR WE NEED THAT POSITION IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE FULFILLED.
SO, SO ON THAT NOTE, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY TWO THINGS.
UM, A LOT OF THE NEW SOFTWARE CAPABILITIES ALLOWS ME TO INCLUDE ATTACHMENTS.
NOW, THE PUBLIC IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE ATTACHMENTS 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE CREATION SIDE, BUT THE COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE ATTACHMENTS.
AND A LOT OF THESE POSITIONS WERE SAYING, UPLOAD THE NEW JOB DESCRIPTION.
YOU KNOW, PUT IN THERE WHAT IT WOULD DO ON, ON THAT SECOND PART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I CONSIDER THAT MORE PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENT, PERFORM PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, PERFORMANCE REPORTING.
SO HOW MANY TIMES ARE THE PARKS RESTROOMS GETTING CLEANED RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.
AND HOW MANY TIMES WILL THEY BE CLEANED IF WE ADD PEOPLE? UM, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT THIS YEAR.
NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT GRANULAR LEVEL OF DETAIL.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'VE BEEN, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE PUT IN AS MUCH AS I CAN GIVE YOU.
UM, I CAN'T GET THAT YET, BUT SOME OF THIS STUFF I CAN DIRECTLY LOCK THE LIBRARY BACK FOR THE LIBRARY EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YEP.
I CAN SPECIFICALLY STATE IT'S GONNA BE THESE TWO DAYS AND A SATURDAY HOURS IF YOU ADD THESE POSITIONS.
AND, AND THEY'RE PITCHING THAT TO ME TOO.
UM, SO I'M ALSO, UM, FILTERING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT I CONSIDER THE SHAFT RIGHT.
AND THEN I'M LEFT WITH, WELL, WHICH ONE DO THESE PIECES OF WHEAT HAVE, LIKE THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE WEEVILS IN 'EM RIGHT? AND I'M PULLING THE WEEVILS OUT, RIGHT? SO I'M TRYING TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS ON MY PART.
IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU, THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE OR EXPECTED TO SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE? UM, I THINK I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, PROCESS.
I'D, I'D LOVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE POSITIONS WRITTEN DOWN.
'CAUSE UNLIKE THE MAYOR, I DID NOT TAKE PICTURES.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT TAKING PICTURES.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS PRESENTATION IN YOUR, IN YOUR BUDGET FOLDER.
SO YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS TO, ONCE I GET THAT, I'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS TO IT, GO THROUGH IT.
I GUESS I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS IN FRONT OF US BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SEE THE BUDGET, SO THAT WE KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT'S TO COME AND WE CAN TRIM DOWN.
UM, BUT AT LEAST I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY TRIMMED DOWN, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY FROM WHAT, 77 TO NOW TO THIS 32 AND, AND, AND ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF ASK THAT ARE DOWN TO WAY LESS THAN THAT.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND FROM THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I APPRECIATE SEEING THIS AT THIS POINT BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, TALKS AND, AND TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING, UM, I GUESS THE THINGS THAT I, I LIKE, UH, ON THERE IS OBVIOUSLY, UM, I SUPPORT ALL OF THE EIGHT POSITIONS, UM, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN I DO SEE THERE'S ONLY ONE ASK FROM, FROM ENGINEERING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT BECAUSE THE, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS FULLY STAFFED NOW AND, AND EVERYTHING? UM, I GUESS NO.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO ENGINEERS IN ENGINEERING CURRENTLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR CITY ENGINEER AND YOUR C I P ENGINEER.
WE HAVE A POSITION THAT'S AN, THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE FRONT END WORKLOAD.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THREE.
THEN IN THE BUDGET YOU HAVE A UTILITY UTILITY MODELER, WHICH IS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT, THAT'S MODELING ALL THE WATER AND WASTEWATER REQUESTS AND FOR THE SYSTEM MODEL MM-HMM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, PLAN REVIEW ENGINEER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER POSITION.
IS THERE ANYONE I'M MISSING? NO, SIR.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALL OF IT.
SO THERE'S FIVE THAT ARE KIND OF MIXED OR IN WITH ENGINEERING, BUT IT'S UNDER LIKE UTILITY KIND.
SOME OF IT'S PAID FOR WITH UTILITY RATHER THAN GENERAL FUND.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND ALSO I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON ON, UM, THE E D C ASK, UM, JUST, UH, THEIR WORKLOAD, UM, JUST MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS BUSY AND SO, UH, UH, HAVING EXTRA SUPPORT AND, AND HAVING THAT REQUEST, UH, SUPPORTING THAT OF COURSE.
SO, UM, SO DID YOU HAVE YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO MY COUPLE, I DID HAVE ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED FROM THE E D C, SO THAT WAS AN E D C BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE E D C BOARD.
UM, AND SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BUSINESS SPECIALIST, I RECOMMEND YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THAT VIDEO ONLINE TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO I, I DO THINK THAT WAS JUSTIFIED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO I, THAT WOULD BE MY ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
THE ONE THOUGHT THAT I DID HAVE THOUGH IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND I HAD TALKED BEFORE ABOUT DO WE LOOK INSTEAD OF DOING THAT AS AN
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IN-HOUSE POSITION, GETTING A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT DOES IT, BUT THEY ONLY GET PAID BASED ON THE GRANT FUND WRITING AND FUNDRAISING SUCCESS.LIKE, THEY GET A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY BRING IN, IF YOU KNOW, 5% OR SOMETHING, THE REST COMES INTO THE CITY.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, GREAT.
IF NOT, THEN WE WEREN'T OUT ANYTHING.
SO THAT WAS THE ONE, UH, KIND OF, UM, ONE ON THESE, ON THIS LIST THAT I, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
UM, KINDA LIKE YOU WERE SAYING WITH A 5 0 3 C, BUT THAT MAY BE ANOTHER AVENUE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT.
I MEAN, ON THAT TOPIC, THE FOUNDATION MANAGER, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IF THEY BRING IN HALF THEIR SALARY, IT'S A FAILURE.
BUT WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A PARKS FOUNDATION THAT HASN'T RAISED ANY MONEY AT ALL YET.
WE HAVE A FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY BOARD THAT'S NOT VERY ACTIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY COULD BE REVIVED.
WE HAVE PROBABLY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN PARKS PROJECTS AND POTENTIALLY BUILDING A NEW LIBRARY THAT ARE NOT FUNDED AT ALL.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA RAISE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, BUT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO RAISE AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN AS DONATIONS AND NOT TAX MONEY.
AND SO BRING ON A FOUNDATION MANAGER, WE NEED A BUSINESS CASE FOR HOW THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF, AND IT NEEDS TO MORE THAN PAY FOR ITSELF.
AND FOR ME, THE GOAL WOULD BE YOU, YOU BRING IN 10 TIMES YOUR SALARY, AND THEN THE FOUNDATIONS ACTUALLY REIMBURSE THE CITY OUT OF WHAT THEY GOT OUT OF IT BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN THEY'VE GOTTEN VALUE OUT OF IT.
SO IF WE CAN'T GET TO A POINT, SO I CAN SUPPORT IT.
IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS CASE TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND TO RAISE MORE MONEY, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IF WE CAN'T PROVIDE THE BUSINESS CASE FOR HOW TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.
SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SEED THE, THE THE, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA RAISE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO WE WOULD SEED IT TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING, BUT THEN THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, FOUNDATIONS THAT IT'S SUPPORTING, THAT THEY WOULD THEN IN TURN FROM THEIR, UH, DONATIONS FUND PART OR IN WHOLE THE SALARY OF THE POSITION ULTIMATELY.
AND, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I THINK THAT'S A WAY THAT IT WOULD WORK.
AND YEAH, I MEAN, I COULD SUPPORT IT IF WE HAVE A CASE THAT WE CAN DO THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN THERE'S A LIMITED RUNWAY TO GET THAT DONE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S GOTTA BE CUT.
SO, SO THIS WAS ALSO, AND, AND TRUDY DID ASK FOR THE POSITION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LIBRARY.
WELL, I WAS, BUT LIBRARY PARKS ARTS, I, I HEARD THAT REQUEST FROM TRUDY AND I SUGGESTED, WELL, WE ALSO HAVE A PARKS FOUNDATION.
SO YEAH, IT'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT.
BUT ALSO I'VE HEARD, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I THINK YOU SPECIFICALLY, HEY, LET'S GO RAISE SOME MONEY FOR THE PAVILION, FOR THE PARK OR FOR THIS OR FOR THAT.
SO THIS WAS SOMEWHAT IN RESPONSE TO, TO THAT.
NOW COULD WE GET A THIRD PARTY TO DO IT? POTENTIALLY.
BUT IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK, SO THANK YOU.
NO, AND I THINK NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THOSE DONATIONS GOING.
SO THE FOUNDATION MANAGER IS ONE WAY.
HIRING SOMEBODY EXTERNALLY IS ANOTHER WAY.
WE NEED TO DISCUSS ALL THOSE, SEE ALL THE OPTIONS, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE WE WANT TO PURSUE.
I WOULD SAY MY WHOLE POSITION HAS NOT BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK PRIORITIZING THE C I P, WHICH WE'LL START HERE IN A BIT, I THINK THERE'S TWO REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED VERY MANY DONATIONS FROM BUSINESSES, PEOPLE WHO PASS AWAY FAMILY TRUST AND THE, LIKE, ONE IS A COMPLETE DISTRUST AND INVOLVED IN A DYSFUNCTION OF HUDU.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAD $10 MILLION, WOULD YOU HAVE DONATED $10 MILLION TO ANYTHING WE HAD IN THE CITY OF HU OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS? I MEAN, WE CAN'T EVEN MANAGE OUR OWN MONEY AND OUR OWN BOND MONEY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T GIVE ME OF THAT.
SO I THINK BY, BY ESTABLISHING THE PARKS FOUNDATION BOARD AND IT BEING A COMPLETELY SEPARATE, NON-AFFILIATED WITH THE CITY, AND IF YOU DO THE SAME THING WITH THE LIBRARY THAT HAS THEIR OWN BYLAWS AND THEIR OWN SYSTEMS IN PLACE, I THINK FROM A PUB AND IN GENERAL, MOST PUBLIC PEOPLE DON'T WANNA DONATE MONEY TO THE CITY 'CAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DO THAT EVERY YEAR AT TAX TIME.
SO YES, FOR AN EXTRA DONATION, IF IT'S A SEPARATE DEAL, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T MIND DONATING TO A LIBRARY BECAUSE WHY I LOVE LIBRARIES.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS I THINK BY HAVING A LIST POWER TO, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE IN HERE LIKE SAY PICNIC TABLES AT, UH, THE PARKS, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THINGS TO WHERE I, I KNOW THE MAYOR PROTO WOULD AGREE ON THIS.
UM, 'CAUSE MY OWN SON DID A PROJECT, BUT, UM, I BROUGHT UP A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A LIST OF THINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE IMPROVED.
ACTUALLY, I THINK, UH, M THOMPSON WOULD BE ON THIS TOO.
BUT A LIST OF PROJECT AND THINGS THAT WE, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE DONE IN THE CITY OF HU AND SAY PICNIC TABLES IS ONE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF BOY SCOUT, UH, GROUPS OUT THERE.
AND ONE OF THEIR THINGS, UM, THAT HAVE TO DO AT SOME POINT IF THEY HANG IN THERE, IS TO DO A PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE A BOY SCOUT IN THIS AREA, YOU GO TO A CHURCH, YOU GO TO A NONPROFIT, YOU NEVER THINK ABOUT THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY IS INVOLVED
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IN, WE'LL JUST BUILD IT OURSELVES.BUT A LOT OF TIMES THESE SCOUTS CAN, AND OTHER NONPROFIT PEOPLE CAN BUILD THINGS BETTER, NO OFFENSE TO OUR PEOPLE, BUT THEY CAN BUILD THINGS BETTER THAN A LOT OF CONTRACTORS CAN BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT OUTTA PASSION WHERE OUR CONTRACTOR'S DOING IT OUT OF A JOB.
AND SO YOU CAN HAVE PICNIC TABLES BUILT, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF THINGS DONE BY PROJECTS, BUT I THINK ONCE WE PRIORITIZE WHAT WE WANT, I THINK THEN WE CAN, WITHOUT HIRING SOMEBODY, WE CAN GO OUT.
AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO A COMPANY THAT'S GETTING READY TO DROP $10 BILLION INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY OF HU AND THEY GO, WE'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO HELP OUT.
HOW CAN WE HELP OUT? RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING APPROVED.
SO IF THEY WAIVED US A MILLION DOLLAR CHECK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD TAKE IT BECAUSE WE'D SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
AND I THINK IF WE HAD A LIST, WE COULD SAY, I'VE GOT A LIST.
PICK ONE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE YOUR NAME ON? AND THEN, AND THAT COSTS NOTHING.
WE JUST HAVE A FORM FILLED OUT OR WHATEVER.
SO ONCE WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT PRIORITIES ARE, THEN, YOU KNOW, JEFF AND PARKS, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS CAN GO THROUGH AND MAKE UP A LIST OF, OKAY, IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANT TO DONATE TREES, HERE'S HOW MUCH THEY ARE.
IF YOU WANT TO DONATE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, JUST MAKE A MENU, SO TO SPEAK.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN DONATING IT'S BUSINESSES TOO.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING TO TOWN OR LOOKING TO COME TO TOWN, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD PARTNERS.
AND WE JUST NEED A WAY TO, TO FUNNEL THAT.
SO I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE TO UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND THERE'S THINGS LIKE EVEN AND, AND WHEN YOU DO THIS, EVEN LIKE, UM, THE FRITZ PARK THING, I THINK THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANT LIKE 2040 INCH CALIPER TREES OR SOMETHING.
WELL, TO MOVE A 40 INCH TREE, 2040 INCH CALIPER TREES, THIS WASN'T THERE 40 INCH.
WASN'T THERE 40 INCH TREES ON THERE? I THINK HE SAID, 'CAUSE I TOOK A NOTE AND I SAID, IT COSTS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO MOVE ONE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO BUY ONE.
ANYWAY, THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE IF WE HAVE OUR NEEDS, THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT NEED TO MOVE A TREE MM-HMM.
AND INSTEAD OF US SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS TO PLANT SOME THINGS, WE CAN ALSO TAKE SOME OF THIS STUFF OFF PEOPLE TO WHERE THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA CUT THE TREE DOWN.
THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIVIDE THE, THE C I P LIST, NOT SO MUCH, NOT JUST IN WHAT WE WANT, BUT ALSO WHAT WE WANNA FUND THE ORDER AND WHAT WE DON'T WANNA FUND WITH TAX DOLLARS IN THAT ORDER.
AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF ALMOST TWO LISTS.
CITY MANAGER, DID I SEE ANYTHING WITH THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UM, FOR BILL'S TEAM OF ONE? DID I SEE THAT ON THERE? YES, YOU DID.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO SAY IS EXCEPTIONALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE RELIEF AND THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BEFORE.
ONCE YOU HAVE TWO, SORRY, BILL, IT'S A DEPARTMENT OF TWO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FOR THE LONGEST TIME, BUT YOU HAD TO GET TO TWO.
BUT TO GET TO TWO, I HAD TO GET TO ONE TO SHOW THE VALUE THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS IN HAVING A DIVISION HERE.
AND I YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB, SO THANK YOU.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNSEL EXPECTED TO SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE? OR ANY OTHER FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE SHIFT OVER TO C I P? DID YOU FIND THIS EXERCISE USEFUL? JUST, JUST ONE THING AS WE SHIFT TO C I P, YOU SAW HERE WHAT WE NEED FOR INCREASING STAFF.
KEEP IN MIND AS WE LOOK AT THE C I P PROJECTS, THAT THE COST IN THE C I P IS TO BUILD THE ITEM WHEN IT COMES TO FACILITIES, A LOT OF THEM ARE GONNA HAVE STAFF REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE EXPENSE THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DECIDE WHEN WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THEM.
BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, A LIBRARY, WE'RE GOING FROM POTENTIALLY FROM FOUR STAFF TO SEVEN.
IF WE BUILD A LIBRARY, THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE BUILDING TO BUILD.
BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA NEED PROBABLY 15, 20 MORE STAFF MEMBERS TO STAFF IT.
AND SO THAT IS AN ONGOING M AND O EXPENSE TO THE CITY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
SO WE CAN'T BUILD A LIBRARY AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO STAFF IT.
SO THEN WE'RE COMMITTING TO BOTH FUNDING THE BUILDING THROUGH DEBT AND STAFFING IT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
SO AS WE LOOK AT FACILITIES, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE C I P THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, IF YOU LOOK TOWARD THE END OF THE COLUMN, SO YOU'RE ONLY SEEING A FIVE YEAR WINDOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE MOST CSS ARE FIVE YEAR CIS.
BUT AT THE END OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ESTIMATED O AND M EXPENSES FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE O AND M.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE ESTIMATED STAFFING COSTS FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT HAVE STAFFING O AND M AND STAFFING ARE RECURRING COSTS, AND THEY ONLY GO UP, THEY NEVER GO DOWN.
SO, BUT TO YOUR POINT, AND ACTUALLY THE FISCAL POLICY REQUIRES THAT OF THE C I P.
SO THANK YOU MATT FOR GETTING THAT IN THERE.
SO, SO, UH, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE PAUSING, SO, UM,
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IF ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I MOVE ON, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE HOLDER SLIDE FOR THE C I P PRESENTATION.WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA DO A QUICK DEMO OF CLEAR GOV, THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WELL, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RESTROOM RECESS, UH, FOR EVERYBODY.
THEN WE CAN COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY SET UP AND READY TO GO FOR C I P AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL BE OFF TO THE RACES.
SO I'M GOING TO, UH, JOIN THE TEAMS MEETING.
NOW ONCE I GET RECESS, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANNA DO, UH, IF YOU GIMME JUST IF YOU GIMME JUST ONE SECOND, WELL, I CAN SHOW YOU CLEAR GOV WHEN WE GET BACK FROM RECESS, IT'S, I CAN EITHER SHOW YOU CLEAR GOV NOW AND RECESS, OR WE CAN RECESS AND I CAN SHOW YOU CLEAR GOV.
YEAH, LET'S JUST RECESS AND THAT WAY Y'ALL HAVE IT ALL SET UP.
FINALLY, GET A HEAVY, HEAVY HITTER.
WE'LL COME BACK FROM RECESS HERE.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A LOT BETTER NOW.
SO IS IT OKAY IF I, IF I COULD, OKAY, UH,
[4.2. Presentation of Draft Capital Improvement Program (James Earp, Matt Rector)]
IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO SEE THIS IN FOR THE AUDIENCE, UNFORTUNATELY.I, IT'S JUST, I CAN'T HELP IT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THIS EVENTUALLY, UH, ONLINE.
NOW, THIS IS THE SIDE WHERE I AM LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED NUMBERS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING IS SOMETHING ALONG LIKE THIS LINE RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU HAVE ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY RIGHT HERE, ADMINISTRATION.
THEN YOU HAVE AN A LINE FOR SALARIES AND BENEFITS, SUPPLIES, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
THESE ARE ALL THE BIG CATEGORIES.
I HAVE A SNEAKY SUSPICION, UH, BASED OFF OF WHAT I'VE SEEN HERE IN THE PAST, THAT GENERALLY THIS IS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, WHICH THEN IN TURN DRIVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WELL, WHAT'S IN THE SALARIES? DID WE DO PAY RAISES? DID WE DO PARODY? DID WE HIRE NEW PEOPLE? SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, WHAT'S IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES? YOU KNOW, MY, YOU KNOW, MY GOODNESS, IT'S GONE UP 50%, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? OKAY, SO CHECK THIS OUT.
NOW, WHEN YOU GO TO CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, YOU HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS THAT ARE ALL HERE RIGHT NOW.
THE COLUMNS ARE THE, THE, THE GRAY COLUMN RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS.
UH, FOR THE AUDIENCE, JUST FOR, UH, ORIENTATION PURPOSES.
THIS IS THE ADOPTED BUDGET FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR.
WE'RE IN THE YELLOW IS WHAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS.
AND IT SHOWS HERE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES THAT LAST YEAR'S ADOPTED BUDGET FOR THE PD CONTRACTUAL SERVICES WAS 605,000.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR 904,000 THIS YEAR.
AND THE GENERAL REACTION IF YOU'RE A LAY PERSON WOULD BE, OH MY GOSH, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PD? WELL NOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND LOOK AND SEE EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM, HOW IT HAS INCREASED OR DECREASED FROM THE YEAR PRIOR.
AND WE BEBOP RIGHT DOWN HERE TO COMMUNICATION SERVICES.
AND WE'RE LIKE, HO, HOLD ON A SECOND.
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? WELL, FIRST, THERE'S NOW NOTES OVER HERE THAT THE STAFF CAN PUT IN WHERE THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR WHAT THEY'RE TYING IT TO.
NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE SET UP TO WHERE COUNCIL CAN ACCESS THE CHAT BUBBLES, BUT IF YOU DO END UP HAVING TO BE GIVEN PERMISSION TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE CHAT BUBBLES, DO NOT USE THEM.
YOU WILL VIOLATE, UH, TOMA, RIGHT? SO, SO JUST, JUST DON'T, BUT ALL THAT SAID, I HAVE BEEN MAKING COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, WHAT'S THIS? OR HEY, I'VE REDUCED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION IS THERE ATTACHMENTS, UH, WHENEVER THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE ARE THERE, BUT LET'S GO TO THIS COMMUNICATIONS LINE.
THAT'S ALL YOU WOULD'VE SEEN BEFORE.
NOW I POP THIS OPEN AND LO AND BEHOLD, THERE'S YOUR DISPATCH SERVICES LINE ITEM NOW FOR $350,000, WHICH IS THE BULK OF THE INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
BUT IF YOU GO DOWN TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE, UH, CHIEF, WHERE'S YOUR, OH, SOFTWARE LICENSING MAINTENANCE, LOOK YOU HERE.
NOW IF I POP THAT OPEN, YOU CAN SEE EVERY SOFTWARE AND WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL SOFTWARE COSTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MOST OF THESE ARE NOT NEW, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE NEW HAVE BACKUP INFORMATION, UH, OVER HERE.
SO THIS IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS IN THROUGH THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.
I WILL SAY IT'S NOT PERFECT YET, BUT IT IS WAY BETTER THAN I THINK THAT IT'S EVER BEEN BEFORE WITH THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT'S HERE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE COSTS ARE.
YOU CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S BLOAT OR WHETHER IT'S NOT BLOAT.
IN SOME INSTANCES WE'VE EVEN INCLUDED LIKE THE INVOICES
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FOR THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE FUNDED.SO THE, THE INVOICES ARE ATTACHED OR THE POTENTIAL INVOICES ARE ATTACHED.
THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
AND, UM, MAYOR, YOU'VE ASKED ME A NUMBER OF TIMES, HOW BIG IS THAT BUDGET BOOK GONNA BE? 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN LIKE, WHAT, LIKE 80 PAGES OR 90 PAGES IN THE PAST? SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT MOST, BETWEEN 40 AND 60.
YOU SAID THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE USED TO.
THAT'S MORE DETAIL THAN WE'VE GOTTEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
YEAH, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE.
WE, WE RAN THE FIRST DRAFT OF THIS.
NOW GRANTED, WE STILL HAVE TO, WE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T SEEING.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO GO IN AND, UH, CONFIGURE THE SOFTWARE TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT EXTRA PAGES, YOU KNOW, NOT BLANKS.
IT'S, IT'S PUTTING IN THE INFO THAT WE NEED, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WE STILL HAVE TO CONFIGURE IT.
BUT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE RAN THE BUDGET BOOK, 700 PLUS PAGES, 750, 750 PAGES, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
SO
THE CITY COUNCILS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE SHAREHOLDERS OF THE COMPANY, OF THE CITY OF HUS, THE TAXPAYERS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU INVEST IN ANY COMPANY AND YOU GET AN ANNUAL REPORT, YOU GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY OF ALMOST HOW MUCH MONEY THE C E O SPENT ON MEALS AND ENTERTAINMENT.
AND SO IF THEY DO IT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT, THEN YOU SHOULD BRING THE SAME LEVEL TO THE PUBLIC, IF NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE, JUST BECAUSE THEY ALL WANNA KNOW HOW MUCH DID THE MAYOR SPEND ON COFFEES, UM, LAST MONTH? AND IF HE SPENT MONEY, THEN THEY SHOULD YELL AT HIM FOR THAT.
AND RIGHT, SO, SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING FOR THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR.
IT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY, UH, MUCH OF MY STAFF LOOKS EXTREMELY STRESSED BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BUDGET AND WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE SOFTWARE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL CORRECT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE BUDGET BOOK 700 PLUS PAGES DOWN TO 400 REASONABLE PAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ALL THAT STUFF IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND, AND, AND, AND YOU ALL AREN'T ABLE TO SEE THAT.
SO FIRST LET ME SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FUNDING THE BUDGET SOFTWARE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T DO THIS WITHOUT Y'ALL AGREEING THAT THIS WAS A PRIORITY.
AND SECONDLY, LET ME SAY THANK YOU BY NAME TO ANNE LAME, TO MATT RECTOR, TO DAVID AMSLER, TO ETHAN SIMS, TO GABE KIRO, GABE'S THERE.
UM, KATE HAS TOUCHED IT SOME, BUT SHE'S MORE IN THE HR WORLD AND NOT SO MUCH BUDGET.
BUT YOU KNOW, THANKS TO HER AND TO MATT, HE'S PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN THIS.
IS THERE ANYONE I DIDN'T MENTION? CHRISTINA ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE TO MENTION CHRISTINA WITH ALL HER HELP.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN BUILDING YOUR BUDGET, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES, GETTING IT TO THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL.
AND THEN EACH OF YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR INSERTING THE, THE DATA AND THE DETAIL.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE SOFTWARES ARE THAT PDS BUYING, HE DOES.
BUT NOW I KNOW WHAT ALL THE SOFTWARES ARE THAT PDS BUYING.
SO I CAN GO TO PD NEXT YEAR AND I'M LIKE, HEY, DID YOU UTILIZE THIS SOFTWARE? YES, I DID.
DID YOU IMPLEMENT THIS ONE THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO? NOW WE DIDN'T GET AROUND TO THAT.
WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU? AND THE COUNCIL CAN EFFECTIVELY DO THE SAME THING WITH ALL THE DELIVERABLES.
'CAUSE NOW EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE GONNA BE CALLED OUT WHEN WE CAN.
IS IT PERFECT? NO, IT'S NOT PERFECT YET.
I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S STILL MORE THAT WE CAN DO.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC ASPECT OF THIS WILL LOOK DIFFERENTLY TOO.
BUT THE PUBLIC EVENTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW, PIE CHART OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CLICK ON PERSONNEL AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE DATA THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
THAT'LL BE LIVE ON A WEBSITE THAT IS LINKED FROM OUR WEBSITE THAT HOSTS ALL OF THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOTTA SAY ABOUT CLEAR GOV.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU TO YOUR STAFF.
ALL RIGHT, ON THAT NOTE, WE'RE GONNA SHIFT OVER TO, UH, MATT RECTOR.
SO I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS MEETING SO HE CAN TAKE OVER, UM, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
SO WE'RE STARTING, WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY CLOSE ON TIME WITH MY LITTLE SCHEDULE I SENT OUT, UH, BASED OFF THE FACT THAT WE HAD ABOUT 30 MINUTES OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
SO, UM, WHAT MATT'S GONNA DO IS TAKE YOU THROUGH THE C I P AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND HE'S GONNA SH HE HANDED OUT WHAT THE LIST LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS PRIORITIZED BY P N Z.
PLEASE, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT P N Z WORKED ON THAT FOR 14 TO 20 PLUS HOURS BETWEEN THE TWO MEETINGS AND THE ONE NIGHT MEETING THAT WENT TO NEARLY 2:00 AM.
SO THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN WHAT THEY FELT SHOULD BE THE PRIORITIES, WHAT SHOULD NOT BE IN, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE C I P THAT PROBABLY OUGHT NOT TO HAVE BEEN IN THE C I P, SOME OF THAT IS THE INTERNAL PROCESSES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, WAS THERE LIKE, WAS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TRAILER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LEFT IN THERE? WHAT'S, GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, THAT'S STILL ON THE LIST.
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NOW.BUT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TRAILER WAS ONE AGAIN, OKAY.
SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT HIT THE C I P BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN STAFF REQUEST CAPITAL PURCHASES THAT ARE OVER $5,000, SOME CITIES PUT ALL THAT ONTO A C I P LIST.
OTHER CITIES ONLY PUT WATER WASTE, WATER, STREETS, PARKS, FACILITIES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO I SAID, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE FUNDED BY DEBT, POTENTIALLY, I DON'T WANT IT ON THE C I P.
SO A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS GOT PULLED BACK OUT.
UM, SO THE C I P THAT YOU HAVE NOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAIRED DOWN.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE RECOMMENDED TO BE REMOVED.
SO LIKE THE, UH, IMPACT FEE STUDY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT A CAPITAL PROJECT, THAT'S AN OPERATING.
SO I'VE ALREADY PAIRED OUT SOME OF THE THINGS BY GIVING FEEDBACK TO MATT, BUT WHAT I NEED FROM THE COUNCIL TODAY, AND THIS IS STAFF, IS HERE TO GIVE YOU INSIGHT TO WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE.
WHAT I NEED FROM YOU TODAY IS WHICH PROJECTS IN WHICH CATEGORY ARE OUR PRIORITIES, WHICH ONES ARE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, AND WHICH ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PLANNED OR SHOWN TO BE IN FISCAL YEAR 24, OUGHT NOT TO BE IN FISCAL YEAR 24.
THAT'S GONNA DEFINE HOW MUCH DEBT WE NEED TO ISSUE POTENTIALLY THAT'S GONNA DEFINE WHAT, UH, ROAD BOND, UH, FUTURE ROAD BOND PACKAGES MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
IT'S GONNA DEFINE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I HAVE TO FINALIZE IN THE NEXT WEEK.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, TO MATT RECTOR TO BE ABLE TO, TO SPEAK.
AND THE NUMBERS ARE REALLY SMALL, UH, FOR THE GENERAL AUDIENCE, UM, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE HANGING OUT HERE, UM, IF YOU'LL BE PATIENT, I'LL ASK STAFF TO GO RUN PHYSICAL COPIES AND THEN WE CAN HAND THEM OUT SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
WOULD THAT BE SATISFACTORY? OKAY, SO ANA AND KATE, IF Y'ALL COULD GO MAKE COPIES AND HAND 'EM OUT TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO MAKE THIS BIGGER TO WHERE YOU CAN READ IT.
I, I JUST DON'T, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT.
SO, MATT, ALL RIGHT, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL CITIZENS.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP INTO IT.
UH, I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO WHAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE.
UM, SO I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I PRESENTED THE C I P TO MULTIPLE BODIES ALREADY AND NONE OF US HAVE EVER MADE IT THROUGH IT IN TWO HOURS
UM, AND SO, UH, AND BEFORE YOU IS THE CURRENT EXPORT FROM CLEAR GOV.
SO JUST LIKE THE PROGRAM THAT JAMES JUST SHOWED YOU, IT FOR THE BUDGETING PIECE, CLEAR GOV ALSO HAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PIECE TO IT.
AND SO ALL OF THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ENTERED INTO CLEAR GOV.
SO ONCE YOU GET ACCESS TO THAT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM IN THERE.
THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXPORT FROM THAT SOFTWARE.
UM, AND UH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING REAL QUICK FOR YOU.
YOU CAN SEE IN MY SPREADSHEET THAT I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT TABS.
SO, UH, THE FIRST TAB, UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE ON THE SCREEN, IS THE ORDER BASED ON PROJECT NUMBER THAT STAFF ORIGINALLY CREATED.
SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD IN C'S PAST IS THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO REALLY TRACK AND, AND GIVE A NOMENCLATURE TO THE PROJECTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PREFIX AND A SUFFIX NOW TO EVERY PROJECT NUMBER.
UM, AND BEING AN ENGINEER, I'M NOT SUPER CREATIVE, BUT UH, I CAME UP WITH THE MOST CREATIVE WAY TO NAME THESE.
SO IF YOU SEE AN F FOLLOWED BY A NUMBER THAT STANDS FOR FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S LIKE YOUR BUILDINGS.
IF IT'S A T, IT'S TRANSPORTATION.
D IS FOR DRAINAGE, WATER IS W, WASTEWATER IS WW.
UM, CLEAR AND EASY TO FOLLOW
AND SO THEN, THEN THE NEXT DIGITS YOU SEE ARE THE PROJECT NUMBER.
SO F ZERO ONE WOULD BE THE FIRST FACILITY PROJECT THAT WE PUT IN.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A FISCAL YEAR AFTER THAT, WHICH IS THE FISCAL YEAR.
WE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATE THE PROJECT STARTING.
SO F 0 1, 20 24 MEANS FACILITY PROJECT NUMBER ONE.
WE THINK IT'S GONNA START IN 2024, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, WE PRESENTED THIS TO P AND Z AND UM, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S CLARIFICATION, UH, P N Z BY, UH, BY CHARTER IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE PRESENT IT, I PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER AS YOUR CITY ENGINEER, WE PRESENT IT TO P N Z, THEY MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, AND THEN COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION.
SO THAT IS WHAT THE HARD COPIES THAT I HAD PASSED OUT THAT WERE SITTING AT YOUR CHAIRS THIS MORNING IS BASICALLY THIS EXACT SAME LIST THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, BUT IT'S REORGANIZED.
PROJECT NUMBERS HAVE NOT CHANGED, BUT THE ORDER
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THAT YOU SEE THEM ON THE SHEETS HAVE CHANGED BASED ON P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATIONS.SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ON MY LIST HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SEE THAT I HAVE F 0 1, 20 24 AS THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, AND THEN F 0 2 20 24 AS THE NEW POLICE STATION.
P AND Z THOUGHT THAT F ZERO TWO SHOULD BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE AS FAR AS YOUR FACILITIES.
SO POLICE STATION ON THE P AND Z PRINTOUT THAT I GAVE YOU THIS MORNING, YOU'LL SEE THE PD IS THE FIRST FACILITIES PROJECT.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT LISTS AND YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT RANKINGS, THAT'S BECAUSE THE FIRST LIST IS THE, THIS STAFF JUST PUTTING THE PROJECT OUT THERE.
THE SECOND LIST IS P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW TO PRIORITIZE THESE PROJECTS.
UM, SO THE PAPERS P AND Z, THE COMPUTER'S STAFF.
AND, AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK IN YOUR COUNCIL ELECTRONIC BOOK, WHATEVER, WHATEVER COUNCIL BOX, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO TABS IN YOUR SPREADSHEET.
SO TAB ONE IS STAFF, TAB TWO IS P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATIONS, JUST, JUST FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T LIKE PAPER.
SO MATT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE CODING.
SO YOU SAID THE DASH LIKE 2024, THAT'S THE YEAR THAT YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING IT.
UM, WHAT IS IT TO, TO BE STARTED TO BE COMPLETED? WHAT WAS THAT DATE? THAT'S THE YEAR WE ANTICIPATE STARTING THE PROJECT STARTING.
AND THEN, SO LET'S SAY THAT COUNCIL DECIDES THAT ONE PROJECT, IT'S CURRENTLY CODED 2024, AND WE SAY WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT TILL 2026.
WOULD YOU RECODE THAT TO 2026 OR WOULD IT REMAIN? YES.
ONCE, ONCE WE GET CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCIL, I WILL GO BACK INTO THE SYSTEM AND WE WILL CHANGE THE, THE, THE PROJECT NAMES.
WE WILL SHIFT THE FUNDING OUT TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
WE WILL MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES.
UM, I DID NOT MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES INTO CLEAR GOV BASED ON P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE WANTED YOU TO SEE THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BUT ULTIMATELY THE DECISION HAS TO COME FROM THIS BODY.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, EIGHT MONTHS FROM NOW, WHEN I LOOK AT A PROJECT AND IT HAS A NUMBER THAT THAT WILL REMIND ME, OH YEAH, THIS IS ONE THAT WE DID PRIORITIZE FOR THIS YEAR, OR THIS IS ONE THAT WE DID MOVE OUT.
AND SO I, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT IT WOULD CHANGE WHEN WE, WHEN WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TIMM, REAL QUICK, I'D ALSO STATE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST LIST IS, IS THE STAFF GENERATED LIST, RIGHT? AGAIN, THAT WAS INFORMED BY ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IT WAS INFORMED BY PREVIOUS CIPS THAT ALREADY EXISTED THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO I KNOW MAYBE IN THE PAST, UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT STAFF WOULD SIT IN A ROOM AND JUST COME OUT AND DROP A BUDGET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE, FUND THIS.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS TAKING ALL THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUBLIC INPUT THAT'S HAPPENED, THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS THAT ALREADY EXISTED, AND THEN YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF TRYING TO, LIKE I SAID, KIND OF WEAVE ALL THAT TOGETHER INTO AN ACTUAL C I P.
SO Y'ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS FROM.
SO JUST I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
OKAY, SO ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION THAT I NEED TO MAKE IS, UM, ON THIS TAB THAT'S BEFORE YOU, THIS SHEET THAT'S BEFORE YOU, YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT COLORS OF TEXT.
UM, THE BLACK TEXT BASICALLY MEANS THAT THERE WAS NO CHANGES OTHER THAN THE RANKINGS FROM P AND Z.
THE RED TEXT INDICATES THAT P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IS THAT WE EITHER DROP THAT PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY OR THAT WE PUSH IT BEYOND THE CURRENT PLANNING CYCLE, MEANING WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS IN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
THE BLUE TEXT THAT YOU SEE IS ITEMS THAT P AND Z RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT FUND THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT THAT WE SHIFT THOSE TO THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET AND IT BE FUNDED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT'S CAPITAL EXPENDITURES LIST.
SO, UH, JUST JUST SO EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING WHERE, WHAT WE'RE OPERATING FROM.
UM, WITH THAT, WHAT WAS THE BLUE? WHAT WAS THE BLUE AGAIN? THE BLUE WAS ITEMS THAT P AND Z DID NOT THINK WARRANTED BEING IN THE CITY'S OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT IT SHOULD GO INTO THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL SEE SEVERAL BLUE ITEMS UNDER PARKS P AND Z'S THOUGHT WAS THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED OUT OF THE PARK'S REGULAR BUDGET, NOT OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO, SO MATT, I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
SO THE GREENS INSTEAD, THIS WAS ADDED AFTER P AND Z.
SO MY QUESTION WAS THERE ALL OF THEM ARE SLOTTED AT THE END OF ALL THESE LISTS.
SO IS THAT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE ADDING THEM BY STAFF BUT PICK THEM AT THE LOWEST PRIORITY AT THE BOTTOM OR THEY'RE JUST A PLACE ORDER OR BECAUSE THERE'S NO, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY P AND Z DIDN'T CONSIDER IT, BUT THERE'S NO, IS THERE ANY NOTES OF WHERE STAFF
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THOUGHT THESE BECAME A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ON SOME OF THESE? I'M THINKING MORE FOR THE WASTEWATER AND, AND SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION ONES.UM, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY JUST DROPPED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.
UM, SO, SO I WAS KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOVE THEM IN SOMEWHERE WHEN P N Z HAD NOT RECOMMENDED THEM AS FAR AS THEIR RANKINGS.
BUT I WANTED TO CLEARLY INDICATE, SO SOME OF THESE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION, T ZERO ONE R E F Y STANDS FOR TRANSPORTATION ZERO ONE RECURS EVERY FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND SO THAT IS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO THAT WAS NOT ONE THAT WE PRESENTED TO P AND Z.
THAT'S ONE THAT'S BEEN KIND OF AN ONGOING THING FOR THE CITY.
C, P AND Z DIDN'T RANK THAT ONE BECAUSE THEY NEVER SAW IT.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE COUNCIL THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED IN THAT P AND Z DIDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER BEFORE OR AGAINST OR HOW IT FALLS IN THE PRIORITIZATION LEVEL.
UM, FOR THE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN YOU HAVE, UM, FM 1660 NORTH AT US, 79 P AND Z.
DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.
IT'LL BE FINISHED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THE BUDGET.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE, UH, SO LET ME JUMP DOWN.
T 20 20 24, THE FM 33 49 OVERPASS, AESTHETIC UPGRADES, P AND Z.
WE'RE CON WE'RE CURRENTLY AFTER WE'VE MET WITH P AND Z, HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT 33 49 OVERPASS AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN ADD IN LAST SECOND BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION.
OKAY, SO I THINK I'VE GOT ALL THE CLARIFICATIONS OUT OF THE WAY.
UM, BEING AN ENGINEER WHO'S MARRIED TO SOMEBODY WITH A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY AND COUNSELING, I TEND TO THINK OF ENGINEERING IN MASLOW'S HIERARCHY OF NEEDS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY MASLOW'S, THE BASE LEVEL NEEDS IS ALL YOUR PHYSIOLOGICAL NEEDS.
LIKE YOU NEED SHELTER AND YOU NEED FOOD AND YOU NEED CLOTHING AND YOU NEED THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND SO MY MIND AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO, THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START WHEN WE START ANALYZING THE C I P.
SO I'M THINKING WATER AND WASTEWATER BECAUSE, UM, IN MY MIND, IN THE ENGINEERING WORLD, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT IF THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW NICE EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
'CAUSE JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS WORKING IN IRAQ, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD REALLY NICE FANCY BUILDINGS, BUT THEIR ELECTRICAL GRID WAS IN SHAMBLES.
AND SO WE HAD TO SHOW THESE BUILDINGS DURING THE DAY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T TURN THE LIGHTS ON
AND SO IN MY MIND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO AND PUT A REALLY NICE LIPSTICK ON A PIG, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T GO PUT LIPSTICK ON AND THEN NOT HAVE ANYTHING FUNCTION.
AND SO I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO FIRST, BUT IT'S YOUR C I P.
SO IF YOU WANNA START WITH FACILITIES OR PARKS, I WILL DEFER TO YOU ON WHERE WE START.
WASTE WATER AND WASTEWATER,
SO, SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THOSE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF SEPARATE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY TAX STUFF AND YOU HAVE THE UTILITY FUND STUFF.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF INTERDEPENDENCIES THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY TO JUST THROW THINGS OUT BECAUSE IF WE THROW ONE THING OUT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THREE OR FOUR OTHER PROJECTS MIGHT NOT WORK AND MIGHT NOT GIVE US THE CAPACITY WE NEED.
SO THAT DISCUSSION CAN BE LONG IF WE GET REALLY INTO IT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT IF WE HAVE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE OTHER.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY TAX AND THE BUDGET FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, TO ME THE OTHER PROJECTS COME FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY AND THE MOST PLAY.
AND WE'LL GET, WE WANT ALL THESE THINGS, BUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO THEM? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WATER CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE TO TURN ON THEIR WATER AND GET WATER.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FLUSH YOUR TOILETS AND, AND NOT HAVE EVERYTHING BACK UP BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY.
BUT SO THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT THE CHOICES OF, DO WE, DO WE, HOW MANY PARKS DO WE FUND? HOW MANY FACILITIES DO WE BUILD AND WHEN DO WE START BUILDING THEM? THOSE ARE WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK AND FORTH, WE NEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THOSE AND MOVE THEM BACK AND FORTH.
SO I, I KIND OF LOOK AT IT THE OPPOSITE, EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS THEY'RE GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY CITIZENS HERE, UM, THAT I THINK THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S KIND OF POTENTIALLY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK AND WHAT DO WE HAVE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE AROUND AND TO ADJUST AND MOVE OUT, PULL IN.
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UM, BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, COUNCILMAN THORNTON SAID A LOT OF THESE WATER WASTEWATER THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THEM.
UM, THEY'RE REALLY NOT AN OPTION TO REMOVE.
AND SO THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY BE A LONG DISCUSSION.
BUT I KIND OF FORESEE THOSE AS VERY EASY DISCUSSIONS VERSUS MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REALLY THE, THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO ON THE OTHER STUFF.
AND, AND I WOULD ADD TO WHAT BOTH THE BOTH MEMBERS JUST SAID THAT YEAH, WHEN IT'S WATER AND WASTEWATER, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SPENT HARDLY ANY TIME ON OTHER THAN THIS IS KIND OF THE UPDATE.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE BUILDING WATER, UH, PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE JUST RUNNING WATER LINES IN A VACANT LAND.
BUT I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE THIS.
I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO MAYBE FAST TRACK A LOT OF THINGS IS MY FEAR IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CURRENT DEBT IS, NON-UTILITY DEBT FOR THE CITY.
BUT IF WE HAD TO GUESS, WHAT IS IT LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION, THAT'S MORE LIKE 180 MILLION.
SO OUR CURRENT DEBT AS THE CITY IS 180 MILLION.
AND WE COULD EXTRAPOLATE WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE IS ON THAT.
AND SO IN, IN FISCAL YEAR 24, THE RECOMMENDATION IS 72 MILLION IN NON-UTILITY PROJECTS.
AND THEN WE GO TO 99 MILLION AND THEN 121,000,070 6 MILLION.
AND SO INSTEAD OF US SPENDING THE NEXT THREE HOURS OVER, WELL WHO WANTS THIS PARK? OR WHO WANTS THIS PROJECT? I THINK IT MAY BE MORE BENEFICIAL IF WE FIRST JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE AFFORD, WHAT CAN WE STOMACH? AND THEN WE CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH, 'CAUSE WE MAY SAY, LIKE I WAS TELLING JAMES, MOST PEOPLE BEFORE THEY BUY A HOUSE, THEY FIND OUT WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.
RIGHT? BUT IF YOU GO PICK OUT THE HOUSE FIRST AND THEN YOU FIGURE OUT, WELL HOW DO I GO AND AFFORD IT? WHICH IS WHAT THIS, THIS EXERCISE COULD VERY QUICKLY BECOME.
WHAT WE COULD DO IS WHAT CAN WE AFFORD AS A CITY? AND WE MAY SAY, AND AND THAT DISCUSSION MAY TAKE A HALF HOUR AND WE GO, OKAY, WE CAN ONLY AFFORD 20 MILLION IN PROJECTS THIS NEXT YEAR.
WELL THEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE STUFF AND YOU GO 20 MILLION, THAT MAY BE ONE ITEM, IT COULD BE THREE, IT COULD BE 10 ITEMS. WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? ASSUMING OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR ECONOMY AND OUR UM, AV GROWS X AMOUNT NEXT YEAR WE CAN AFFORD 35 MILLION.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIKE WE CAN ONLY DO A THIRD OF WHAT'S ON THE LIST, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STOMACH IS OF THE COUNCIL.
MINE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.
AND THEN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND WE CUT EVERYTHING ELSE OUT, THEN I THINK WE CAN SPEND THE REST OF OUR TIME AS A GROUP, NOT JUST TODAY OR THIS YEAR.
WE CAN SPEND IT ON HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DO THESE PROJECTS IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 'EM IN DEBT, HOW DO WE DO THAT? DO WE DO IT THROUGH SOME KIND OF SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM? DO WE DO WHAT ARE THE OTHER AVENUES? BUT OTHERWISE I'M AFRAID WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE HERE AND GO, OKAY, NOW WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND 50 MILLION IN PROJECTS.
AND THEN JAMES IS GONNA TELL US WHAT THE TAX RATE AND IMPLICATIONS OF THAT IS AND WE'RE ALL GONNA SAY, WELL WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
AND THEN WE GO, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK IN TERMS OF, WELL, UM, I MEAN LET ME GIVE AND THEN WHATEVER I'VE MISSED, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO FILL IN THE BLANK.
I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT THOUGH.
I WOULD SAY WATER WASTEWATER PRETTY MUCH THOSE ARE FIXED BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON THE ENGINEERING DESIGN OF ALL THESE THINGS.
AND, AND WE HAVE A METRO PLAN.
THE TRANSPORTATION IS THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME SHIFTING AROUND OF WHICH ROADS YOU DO AND HOW MUCH WE WANNA SPEND FOR THAT.
THEN ONCE YOU FIGURE THAT PART OUT, THEN YOU KNOW, OKAY NOW, 'CAUSE YES, WE ONLY HAVE THE 14 MILLION EXTRA, SO ANYTHING ABOVE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PRE-FUNDED, YOU EITHER HAVE TO THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE VOTERS LATER FOR A ROAD BOND OR YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT WITH GENERAL OBLIGATION DOLLARS OR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS OR WHATEVER FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
SO YOU SAY, HEY, IF THAT'S OUR MOST PRIORITY, WHICH CITIZENS HAVE SAID TRANSPORTATION IS NUMBER ONE BESIDES US HAVING OUR WATER.
THEN WE COME TO THE MAYOR'S POINT OF, OKAY, NOW HOW MUCH MORE ADDITIONAL DEBT CAN WE DO FOR FACILITIES AND PARKS? AND YES, YOU HAVE PARKS HAS ITS OWN FUND, BUT IT STILL AFFECTS THE I N S RATE.
SO I, I KIND OF THINK WE, 'CAUSE IF YOU TAKE IT IN, IN TOTAL TRANSPORTATION AND UH, PARKS ARE BOTH GONNA HIT THE SAME I N S RATE VERSUS THE, THE WA WATER WASTEWATER IS KIND OF ITS OWN FUND.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY WE'D START WITH TRANSPORTATION, THEN GO TO THE PARKS, RECS FACILITIES.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY, NO, YOU CAN HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND MAYBE MAKE SOME DIFFERENT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THOUGHT ON THAT.
I AGREE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DON'T WANNA BE THE NO FUN PERSON HERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ROADS, UM, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO FIX ALL THE ROADS AND DO ANYTHING ELSE.
AND SO I THINK IT, WHEN WE GET DONE WITH JUST THE TRANSPORTATION PART, I THINK WE HAVE TO LEVEL WITH THE PUBLIC AND SAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF MAJOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN AFFORD PARKS FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
AND SO IF WE GO SPEND 10 MILLION ON A PARK IMPROVEMENT, YES, IT'S BEEN APPROVED IN 2018, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS APPROVED, 70 MILLION IN ROAD BONDS AND WE'RE 50 MILLION INTO
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IT AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BY THE TIME WE GET THROUGH THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS IN ROADS, PEOPLE MAY NOT EVEN BE LIVING HERE ANYMORE BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE DONE, THERE'S A QUARTER MILLION, THERE'S TWO AND A HALF TIMES OUR CURRENT DEBT BUDGETED AND ROAD PROJECTS.AND WE, I'VE ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN SOME THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'VE ALREADY, THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, SO, SO THAT, SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION SPECIFICALLY AND, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WE GET THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE MOST CRITICAL AND I RECOGNIZE TRANSPORTATION'S MOST CRITICAL AS WELL, FRANKLY, IT'S JUST THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE PUTTING SUCH AN EMPHASIS ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE OF THIS AS WELL.
BUT THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH ROAD BOND AUTHORIZATION LEFT FOR US TO ISSUE BONDS FOR 14 AND A HALF MILLION PLUS OR MINUS.
SO MY MIND IS, IS E EVEN IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO COME UP WITH A $50 MILLION ROAD BOND, I MEAN NOT ROAD BOND A $50 MILLION, UH, C I P FOR RHODES FOR THIS YEAR, I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT YOUR ONLY OPTION IS 14 AND A HALF GENERAL OBLIGATION AND THEN ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION UP TO ABOUT $20 MILLION TO DO FUNDING FOR THIS EXACT YEAR WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE VOTER.
SO WHAT, UH, WHAT I WOULD DO IS THAT YOUR MANAGER IS WORKING WITH FINANCES, OKAY? THIS IS YOUR LIST OF ROADS YOU WANT DONE THIS YEAR.
THIS IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO WITH OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, ABILITY FOR DEBT, RIGHT? EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO GET PACKAGED AND GO TO THE VOTERS FOR AN AUTHORIZATION TO GO BUILD THOSE ROADS.
THAT'S BASICALLY HOW IT WORKS.
THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO MAYBE DO SOME THINGS THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME DOLLARS THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ACCOUNTING AS MUCH, BUT I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT Y'ALL FEEL IS PRIORITIES TO GET DONE IN 24.
AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS THE PRIORITY, THEN WE THEN ARE INFORMED ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA START PRESENTING TO COUNCIL AS Y'ALL HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT INTO A BOND PACKAGE THAT WILL GO BEFORE THE VOTERS NEXT MAY, NEXT NOVEMBER, WHENEVER.
THE TIMING DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH AS WHAT IS GONNA GET PARCELED OUT AND SENT TO THE VOTERS FOR THEM TO SAY YAY OR NAY ON THIS LIST OF ROADS.
AND BY THAT TIME, MY HOPE IS THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PROBABLY THE, THE 1660 SOUTH AT 79, ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE ISSUED DEBT FOR WILL EITHER BE COMPLETED OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE 1 32.
SO BY THAT TIME, YOU WILL HAVE DELIVERED THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DELIVER.
UH, THAT HAD BEEN ON DELAY FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK, UH, FROM A MANAGERIAL STANDPOINT BECAUSE IF Y'ALL START TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE 2 MILLION OUTTA THE ROAD BOND FOR THIS ONE OR THREE AND A HALF MILLION OUTTA THE ROAD BOND FOR THAT ONE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE TERRIBLY HELPFUL.
BUT WHAT IS HELPFUL IS THESE 15 SECTIONS OF ROAD AND THESE THREE INTERSECTIONS AND THESE TWO RED LIGHTS, WE WANT YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR THAT MM-HMM.
AND THEN I COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME ISSUING THE 14 POINT A HALF MILLION THIS YEAR? YES.
THEN I BUILD THAT INTO MY DEBT SERVICE RATE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ISSUE 20 MILLION IN COS NO, WE WANNA PUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON A BOND PACKAGE.
OKAY THEN I DON'T PUT THAT IN MY DEBT SERVICE RATE.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO TRY TO DO TOO.
AND I, TO SIMPLIFY EVEN FURTHER, I'D SAY SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE THIS YEAR, 57 MILLION IN ROADS PROJECTS.
HOW MUCH IS IN THE BANK THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT MONEY IN, IT'S ACCRUED INTEREST.
HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW? IT'S ALREADY ON OUR I N S CALCULATION.
WHAT'S THAT NUMBER AND WE CAN USE BALLPARKS.
YOU MEAN OUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE FOR NEXT YEAR? LIKE, LIKE IF WE SAID WE'RE NOT BORROWING ANOTHER DOLLAR THIS NEXT YEAR, HOW MUCH ROAD MONEY DO YOU HAVE IN THE BANK ACCOUNT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ISSUED THAT YOU CAN SPEND RIGHT NOW? WELL, ALMOST ALL OF IT'S BEEN, UH, BEEN UH, PUT TO OTHER PROJECTS.
BUT YOU MEAN IF YOU WERE TO REPRIORITIZE PROJECTS THAT ALREADY HAVE FUNDED SOURCES, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH CASH IF YOU, WHATEVER THE BANK STATEMENT SAYS.
SO BASICALLY WHAT'S NOT UNUM, IF IT, FOR INSTANCE, IT COULD SAY 60 MILLION.
IF WE'RE OKAY WITH WHAT YOU'VE PROJECTED HERE THAT'S BEEN FUNDED.
SO THEN WHAT ARE OTHER UNFUNDED THINGS WE WANNA DO? ALL RIGHT.
NOW YOU MAY HAVE SAID THERE'S 20 MILLION, WE GOTTA COME UP WITH 36 MILLION TO FIT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO JUST ON ROADS THIS YEAR.
WELL, BUT SO I DON'T ARE THESE ARE, IS ANY OF THIS MONEY ENCUMBERED? NO.
WHAT IT SHOULD BE, I THINK IT IS, THERE SHOULD BE MONEY ENCUMBERED BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND FROM THINGS WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING 1660 AND LIER THAT THAT MONEY IN HERE SHOULD BE ENCUMBERED OUT OF YOUR FUNDS AND THEN 16 OR THEN UH, 1660 NORTH AND 79 AND 1660 SOUTH, THAT MONEY SHOULD BE ENCUMBERED.
AND THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT TO ME, I
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THINK WE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO SPEND ON.SO OF THE 56, NOW THE CHRISTINA DID THIS, SO I DIDN'T GENERATE THIS, SO I'M TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT I'M SEEING.
BUT WHAT IT SAYS IS OF THE 56 FOR THIS YEAR OF TRANSPORTATION, DOES THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS? YEP.
ON TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S 27 MILLION OF THAT.
THAT'S UNFUNDED AS OF RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO 27 MILLION UNFUNDED 27,000 388 1 0 4.
SO OUT OF THAT, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE FUND? ABOUT ONE AND A HALF.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY.
THERE'S OTHER FUND SOURCES TOO BESIDES THOSE THAT, THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT.
SO JUST, BUT SEE WE'VE ALREADY MADE IT EASIER BECAUSE WE'RE 27 MILLION IN A HOLE JUST ON THESE PROJECTS.
AND SO ME PERSONALLY, THE NO FUN GUY, WE, WE SH WE CAN'T AFFORD TO ISSUE DEBT FOR A PARK, A $10 MILLION PARK.
'CAUSE YOU GOT 27 MILLION JUST IN ROADS.
YOU HAVE TO DO NOT EVEN, AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ONE YEAR.
IF YOU DID THIS EXERCISE NEXT YEAR, YOU MAY SAY, WELL YOU HAVE ANOTHER 47 MILLION IN ROAD PROJECTS NEXT YEAR.
AND SO WHAT'S THE STOMACH FOR THE DEBT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO SAY THE OTHER DAY ABOUT PRIORITIZATION.
IF WE'RE OUT SPENDING, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I, I LOVE THE CHIEF AND LOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT SPENDING A DOLLAR ON WHAT A NEW POLICE STATION WILL LOOK LIKE IF WE CAN'T BUILD IT IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
AND LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE 300 MILLION IN ROAD PROJECTS THAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING HAS TO GET DONE, THEN WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON IS HOW DO WE MAKE THE POLICE STATION WORK FIVE MORE YEARS WITH AN EXTRA 15 PEOPLE AND IF WE HAVE TO MOVE LIKE THE CHIEF IN OVER HERE AND THE LTSS INTO THIS BUILDING OR WHATEVER WE DO, THOSE I THINK ARE GONNA BE MORE PRODUCTIVE THEN.
'CAUSE NO ONE LIKES THE FALSE HOPE OF WE'RE GETTING A NEW PUBLIC PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IN THREE YEARS.
WHEN IN REALITY IF WE ALL WENT THROUGH THIS, WE'D SAY, GUYS, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING FOR LIKE 10 YEARS.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE IT WORK TO WHERE YOU GUYS DON'T DREAD COMING TO WORK? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE CAN SPEND $800,000 OR WHAT IS IT, $700,000 DESIGNING A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE 20 MILLION OR YEAH, 20 MILLION TO BUILD IT FOR SIX YEARS, THEN LET'S NOT SPEND THE 700,000 DESIGNING IT BECAUSE IN FIVE YEARS WE GO TO AFFORD IT, WE'RE GONNA SAY, WELL THE WORLD'S CHANGED.
WE NEED TO REDESIGN IT AND TWEAK IT AND WE'LL SPEND 700 GRAND DOING THAT.
BUT TO ME, I THINK WE FOCUS ON ROADS, START FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET US THROUGH THE ROAD SITUATION AT LEAST THIS YEAR.
AND THEN I WAS TELLING, UM, COUNCIL MARI COLAR THAT MAYBE THEN WE CAN COME BACK NOT NOT MESSING WITH THE BUDGET TIMELINES.
WE COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS AND REALLY START WORKING MORE AND MORE ON HOW DO WE GET PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW DO WE GET FUN, ENJOYABLE, QUALITY OF LIFE.
BUT THE NUMBER ONE QUALITY OF LIFE IS I'VE SEEN EVERYBODY SAYS IS ROADS.
SO ON THAT NOTE, MAYOR, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING, I CONSIDER THAT'S, THAT'S THE POLITICAL ARENA THAT Y'ALL HAVE TO NAVIGATE AND DECIDE WHAT ARE WE GONNA PRIORITIZE? WHAT ARE WE NOT AS FAR AS THE ROADS GO AND, AND THE, AND THE PLANNING FEES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING'S ON THE 24 UM, COLUMN, THAT THERE ARE OTHER COLUMNS ON THAT LIST.
SO THAT PROJECT MAY SPAN MULTIPLE YEARS.
AND IN FACT MANY OF THE ROAD PROJECTS, I I TOLD MATT, WHENEVER YOU'RE PLANNING OUT THE ROAD PROJECT, YOU NEED TO SPLIT OUT THE DESIGN THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, THE EASEMENT TIME.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CURRENT YEAR IN THE YEAR THAT WE EXPECT TO START THE PROJECT.
AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS NEED TO COME LATER.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE THE ROWS, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IS, IS THAT MAYBE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24, IT'S JUST A MILLION AND A HALF, BUT THEN 25, 26, 27 IT'S ANOTHER 17 OR 18 MILLION.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION COST, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN THORNTON SAID WHEN YOU, IF WE SAY WE WANNA DO THE CR 1 32 PASS TODAY, RIGHT? OKAY.
TO HIS POINT ABOUT LABOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
WHEN YOU SAY YES TO THAT, YOU'RE SPENDING 4 MILLION TO DESIGN A 32, WHAT IS THIS? $46 MILLION BRIDGE.
SO THERE'S NO SENSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE STOMACH TO BUILD A $46 MILLION BRIDGE, I WOULD ARGUE DON'T SPEND A $4 MILLION, JUST TELL THE PUBLIC WE'RE NOT BUILDING A BRIDGE THERE.
BUT IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO IT AND YOU'RE GONNA COMMIT TO IT, THEN WE NEED TO DO THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, YEAH, FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY AND, AND MAKE A LIST.
I WAS EVEN TELLING COUNCIL MAYOR KOHLER, IF YOU START OFF LIKE 10 YEARS WHERE YOU COULD SAY, LOOK, THE SIDEWALKS RIGHT NOW, WE THINK WE CAN GET TO IT IN 2032.
IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AT LEAST SOMEONE HAS A HOPE THAT WE'VE AT LEAST RECOGNIZED THE SITUATION, THE PROBLEM OR WORKING.
WHAT WE TEND TO DO IN THE PAST IS WE JUST PUT WE'RE WE'RE GONNA GET TO IT LIKE NEXT YEAR WHEN IN REALITY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO IT NEXT
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YEAR BECAUSE WE CAN'T SPEND, YOU KNOW, $160 MILLION IN ROADS IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS BECAUSE YEAH.SO THE, SO THE NEXT THING THAT I'VE DONE, THAT I'VE DONE FOR YOU BY TALKING, UH, WITH THE CITY ENGINEER IN HIS DEVELOPMENT OF THE C I P IS I'VE PURPOSELY PUT THE PLANNING DOLLARS FOR THE FACILITIES, THE PLANNING DOLLARS FOR THE ROADWAYS.
BECAUSE SHOULD YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT, YOU DO WANT TO FUND THOSE, THAT'S, MOST OF THOSE ARE A YEAR TO A TWO YEAR PROCESS TO GET DESIGNED.
SO THEN YOU KNOW HOW MUCH A SAY GOING BACK TO THE POLICE FACILITY, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE POLICE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE DESIGNED IT THAT THEN IN TURN LENDS ITSELF TO GOING TO VOTER REFERENDUM FOR APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL AND BEING AFFORDED IN THE YEAR THEN THAT THE, THAT THE DEBT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED.
BUT, BUT WHAT CITIES TYPICALLY HAVE DONE, AND, AND THIS IS MY OWN, THIS IS MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, WHAT CITIES HAVE GENERALLY DONE IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE, WHICH IS, WELL WE THINK IT'S GONNA COST 45 MILLION, SO LET'S GO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, LET'S APPROVE IT, THEN WE GO DESIGN IT AND LIKE, OH, JUST KIDDING, IT'S 65.
THAT'S USUALLY THE WAY THAT IT HAPPENS.
SO I'M ASKING Y'ALL TO ALLOW US TO BE MORE DISCIPLINED IN HOW WE PREPARE AND, AND, BUT THAT REQUIRES AN INVESTMENT ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DESIGN RIGHT.
TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH THE COST ACTUALLY OUGHT TO BE.
SO THEN YOU CAN GO TO THE VOTERS AND SAY, DO YOU WANNA DO IT OR NOT? SO THAT'S, THAT IS A SLIGHT NUANCE FROM PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE USED TO TOO.
AND ON THAT, I THINK HOPEFULLY Y'ALL HAVE ENOUGH OF A STAGE NOW TO WHERE Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN WORK, BUT WE'RE HERE TO, TO OFFER ADVICE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, UH, I'LL JUST GET STARTED.
DRAINAGE DITCHES IN, IN LEGENDS OF JUDO.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, UH, 57 MILLION, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN DO.
THE CR 1 32 OVERPASS, I THINK YOU, WE HAVE TO DESIGN THAT AND GET WORKING ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE PLANS INTERNALLY, UM, FROM THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WAYS TO FUND THAT.
THAT'S CREATIVE ED SCHMIDT IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE PROBABLY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO WIDEN EDGE SCHMIDT ANYTIME THIS NEXT YEAR.
BUT, UM, YOU GET TO LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION, WE'VE GONE ROUND AND ROUND ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, MY OPINION HAS ALWAYS BEEN WE FIX THE DRAINAGE AND WE DO THE ROAD AND WE DO PARKING LATER AND ON THE ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE EVEN IF IT'S AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS IN COST, WE HAVE 200 SOMETHING MILLION.
AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK EVERY MILLION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME AFTER THE EMORY FARMS ARCH.
I THINK THEY'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN INITIALLY THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THIS, BUT LONG-TERM WE'LL HAVE TO, WE NEED TO PROBABLY FIX THIS LONG-TERM TO BE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR DEAL.
BUT THEIR FIX IS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD TO GUESS 25 GRAND STOP SIGNS AND WHATEVER THOSE HUMPS ARE, THE LIMB LOOP IN 1660, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE CAN'T EVEN MESS WITH THAT.
UM, THE LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I'D SCALE THAT DOWN SOME, WE'VE SPENT SEVERAL MILLION AND I'D SCALE THAT DOWN, UM, TO MAYBE 500 OR TWO 50 TO 1660 AND 79.
THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, BOND HAVE TO DO.
I HATE SAYING THIS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
I GET ALL THE COUNTY ROADS MIXED UP.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE 1 99 COUNTY ROAD IS, BUT I'D LIKE THIS REALLY TORN UP ONE THE FRONT STREET EXTENDING ABOUT THAT'S HORRIBLE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE ONE, NO, THAT'S 1 9 9 9 7 OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S GOING FRONT STREET ENDS AND IT TURNS IN YEAH.
THERE'S LEVELS OF HALVES WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT.
I THINK, UH, THE 1 37 AND 1660, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY A DISCUSSION TO WHERE WHATEVER WE WANNA DO FROM A ROUNDABOUT TO WHAT THE STATE WANTS US TO DO, UM, THE MEGA SITE, EAST WEST ROAD, AS LONG AS THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO OUR I N S RATE BECAUSE EDC IS PAYING FOR THAT, THAT MAY NOT KNOWING HOW YOU GUYS ARE COUNTING, BUT INSTEAD OF 57 MILLION, YOU MIGHT TAKE 17 MILLION OUT OF THAT 57 BECAUSE TO ME THAT OBLIGATION IS AN E D C OBLIGATION.
AND SO REALLY IT'S NOT 57, IT'S LIKE 40 MILLION AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT THAT MAY, THAT MAY FREE UP MONEY.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT ONE, SIR.
SO 17 IS NOT THE COST OF THE ROAD.
THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDING WATER WASTEWATER, UH, EASEMENTS THAT WERE PUT INTO THAT DESIGN.
SO I WOULD NOT WANT SEE THAT AS A SINGLE TRANSPORTATION LINE ITEM BECAUSE YOU CAN PAY FOR THE OTHER PART OF THE DESIGN OUT OF THE OTHER FUNDS.
SO I KNOW IT MAY CREATE ANOTHER PROJECT UNDER WASTEWATER.
BUT ANYWAYS, THAT, THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION ON THAT ONE AND THAT THAT ONE, IF MEMORY SERVES, WE ISSUED 12 MILLION IN DEBT.
SO WE, WE HAVE $12 MILLION HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR IT, WHETHER WE GET PAID BACK OR NOT, THAT'S ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL'S DECISIONS.
BUT WE HAVE 12 MILLION IN THE ROAD BOND THAT IS USED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND THAT ROAD IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN $12 MILLION.
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INNOVATION LIMIT.NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE DONE FOR LESS THAN $2 MILLION, BUT UM, I KNOW WE'RE DEALING WITH TDOT, THE EXCHANGE BOULEVARD AND LIMMER LOOP.
UM, I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF COST SHARING ON THAT.
I MEAN I, I DON'T WANNA STICK STUFF ON THE I S D, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROPONENT OF THEY HAVE THREE TIMES THE BUDGET AND THEY BUILT A SCHOOL THERE AND THEY OUGHT TO BE THE ONES FUNDING THE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE THE KIDS SAFE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE EVERYBODY SAFE EVERYWHERE.
BUT IT'S A, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE HAYBURN INTERSECTION IS WITH LIER LOOP.
IS THAT EAST OF 1660 WEST? IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE HILL AFTER YOU GO.
AND THAT'S DUE TO HAVING A SCHOOL SOUTH OF THERE.
THAT'S THAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAY.
IT IT'S ACT, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S WEST OF ONE 30 AND OH, WEST OF ONE 30.
IS THAT EVEN IN THE CITY? IT'S IN THE E T J CURRENTLY.
I MEAN WE WE'RE TALKING TO DEVELOPERS THAT ARE ON THE, IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH AGREEMENTS AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
THIS IS A NEW CHANGE IN STATE LAW TOO.
YOU CANNOT HAVE CAUSE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR ROADS THAT ARE NOT ON YOUR C I P ANYMORE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YEAR THEY HAVE TO BE IN.
SO JUST, AND I'D BUMP THAT, I'D BUMP THAT, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I YEARS, I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO, WHEN WE DO OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THAT AND PUT IT ONTO THE C I P OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS.
NOW THAT THE STATE LAW'S CHANGED, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO KNOCK ON THE I S D, BUT IF WE, IF WE TAKE AWAY FROM CITY PEOPLE TODAY FOR A SCHOOL BUILT IN E T J AND A POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT IN E T J LATER AS LONG, IF IT'S GOTTA BE ON THE LIST, THEN IT CAN ALWAYS BE ONE YEAR AWAY TO WHERE YOU CAN STILL COLLECT IMPACTS.
BUT, UM, JUST EXCHANGE BOULEVARD RECONSTRUCTION, UH, IT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER TO REBUILD THE ROAD THAN IT IS THE MAINTENANCE ON THE FIRE TRUCKS DRIVING OVER THAT ROAD.
UM, AND I'M JUST GIVING LIKE SOME QUICK STUFF, JUST KIND OF GET US ALL, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
I TALK AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'VE GOT EVERYBODY READY TO GO FRONT STREET RECONSTRUCTION.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE TO WHERE, UM, I HAD THIS ARGUMENT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, WITH THE LIVE OAK.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMPLETELY REBUILDING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO TO SOME THINGS.
AND SO I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO HOW MANY CARS TRAVEL ON THE ROADS WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND SO IF YOU SPEND 4 MILLION ON A ROAD THAT HAS 5,000 CARS A DAY AND YOU SPEND 4 MILLION ON A ROAD THAT HAS 60,000 CARS, ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE THE MONEY SPENT ON 60,000 CARS IS BETTER.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU DON'T EVER PLAN FOR THE SMALLER ROAD, BUT TO GET CAUGHT UP WE HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHERE ONE COUNTY ROAD 1 63 IS, WHERE'S THAT ONE? COUNTY ROAD? 1 63 IS JUST EAST OF FARLEY AND RAY MIDDLE SCHOOL IN THE BROOKLYNS.
IT RUNS PERPENDICULAR TO 1660, UM, LIKE EAST OF THE WASTEWATER OF MADELINE SPACE WEST OF THERE.
SO IT, SO WHERE FARLEY AND RAY AND THE NEW FIRE STATION ARE OKAY, THAT GRAVEL ROAD THAT'S JUST EAST OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE BROOKLYNS ACTUALLY HAS A ROAD THAT GOES OUT THERE.
THAT GRAVEL ROAD HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY NOW.
IT USED TO BE COUNTY ROAD 1 63 TECHNICALLY, I GUESS IT'S STILL CALLED THAT.
UM, BUT IT, IT WAS NEVER PAVED OR IMPROVED OR ANYTHING.
AND NOW WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ABOUT TO COME IN ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE DRIVING ON A GRAVEL ROAD THAT THE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN.
I LEARNED THAT ANNEX COUNTY ROADS WHEN THEY'RE IMPROVED OR UM, AT LEAST ABOVE, UH, GRAVEL.
SO I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY, THIS IS A SIDEBAR A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, ABOUT THAT.
AND THEY SAID THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO TALK TO THEM BEFORE WE ANNEX AND GET THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHIP IN TO HELP US.
WELL THAT'D BE A NEW QUESTION I THINK WE OUGHT TO ADD TO EVERY ANNEXATION THING IS WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS? 'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD A HABIT OF BEFORE MOST OF Y'ALL GOT HERE OF ANNEX AND A BUNCH OF PROPERTY AND THEN TO COME OUT LATER AND FIND OUT A YEAR LATER WE JUST TOOK OVER MAINTENANCE OF A ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING WE CAN DO IF WE GO THROUGH THESE ROAD PROJECTS LIKE THAT.
AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE GOT 27 MILLION, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND, IF YOU KEEP EVERYTHING ON HERE, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE EAST, WEST ROAD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DEBT SERVICE IS NOT BEING FUNDED BY THE PEOPLE THAT'S BEING FUNDED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THEN YOU ONLY GOTTA FIGURE OUT 10 MILLION.
AND SO WE HAVE 10 MILLION THAT WE JUST HAVE TO CUT TO GET US A ZERO.
AND THEN WE CAN ADD STUFF IN, ADD IN A PARK.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALSO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO 10 MILLION IN PARKS AS WE'RE CURRENTLY SLATED.
SO IF WE GOT A STOMACH AT LEAST 10 MILLION IN BOND ISSUANCE AND WHAT THAT COST IS ON TOP OF A POTENTIAL, UM,
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10 TO 27 MILLION IN ROADS.SO MAYOR I, THERE IS ONE THING I I I DO WANNA SAY, I I DO AGREE THAT THE, THAT THE, THE EAST WEST SPINE ROAD FOR THE MEGA SITE WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE PAID FOR BY THE E D C.
WE FRONTED THE COST TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING BECAUSE OF THE DEADLINES AND UH, THE FUNDING.
IT'S EASIER FOR US TO ISSUE DEBT, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO FRONT THE DOLLARS AND THAT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY, THEN THERE'S NOWHERE FOR ME TO FRONT THE DOLLARS FROM IF I DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO YEAH, I'M THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T WAIT FOR, I'M NOT THINKING TAKE IT OUT OF LIKE ACCOUNTS.
I'M, I'M TALKING MORE IN, IF WE GO BACK TO MY THEORY OF HOW MUCH CAN WE STOMACH IN DEBT.
THEN THERE'S 17 MILLION THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ISSUING DEBT ON, 'CAUSE THE EDC IS GONNA COVER THAT.
I WOULD ARGUE THAT YOU NEED TO ISSUE THE 17 AND THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FUND WITH THAT 17 ONCE YOU GET THE E D C TO PAY BACK BECAUSE THE E D C DOESN'T HAVE THE 17 TO PAY FOR THE ROAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY IT'S THE SAME THING.
BUT IF I DON'T HAVE A WAY TO PAY TO GET THE ROAD BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY.
I DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE TO BUILD TO SUPPORT IT.
WHAT I WANT IS HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD? I'LL DO IT THIS WAY.
HOW MUCH CAN WE AS A COUNCIL APPROVE ON AN I N S RATE? CORRECT.
HOW MUCH ARE WE OKAY WITH? AND THAT NUMBER THERE ON THE 17 MILLION SHOULD NOT AFFECT OUR I N SS RATE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'RE CHARGING THE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE WE SAID EARLY ON IF THE CALCULATION IS 20 CENTS WITHOUT THE ROAD, IT'S 18, WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE CHARGING THE PUBLIC 18 CENTS.
'CAUSE THE EDCS PICKING UP THE 2 CENTS.
AND SO WHAT WHAT I MEAN BY STOMACH IS WHAT CAN WE, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO PASS ON TO THE TAXPAYER? OKAY.
AND THEN ONCE WE DECIDE THAT, WHAT IS THAT CAPACITY? AND THEN FROM THERE FILL THAT CAPACITY WITH THE PROJECTS.
SO, OKAY, SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THEN TELL ME IF THIS IS ACCURATE.
IF YOU TAKE THE 17 OUT, YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU CAN STOMACH AND THEN YOU COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
AND THEN I'M GONNA ADD TO THAT BACK THE COST OF THE ROAD.
BUT THAT DEBT SERVICE IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE E D C BACK INTO THE CITY BY AGREEMENT TO MAKE THAT DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT.
SO EVEN THOUGH I HAVE TO SET THE I N S A CERTAIN WAY, I HAVE THIS PAID FOR THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE E D C.
SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY BACK ON OUR WE'RE WE'RE GONNA FUND THAT THROUGH FUNDS RATHER THAN THROUGH DEBT SERVICE.
'CAUSE I, IF I UNDERSTAND THE CALCULATIONS RIGHT, YOU GUYS GET 5 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE MINUS YOU HAVE 200,000 EXTRA FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.
SO YOU NEED TO FUND 4.8 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE.
WHAT'S THE I N S RATE? IS THAT A OVERSIMPLIFIED WAY OF SAYING HOW IT WORKS? THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
MAYBE PARDON MY INTERRUPTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANNE, MAYBE YOU KIND OF KNOW THE NUMBERS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, FOR EVERY 10 MILLION YOU TAKE OUT IN DEBT, HOW MANY CENTS DOES THAT IMPACT THE ITEMS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO FOR 10 MILLION, LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE.
EVERY 10 MILLION AND I'M SORRY THAT I DO NOT HAVE, UH, A PRESENTATION SLIDE.
SO IF YOU CAN JUST WRITE THIS NUMBER DOWN.
SO FOR 10 MILLION IN DEBT, THAT WILL INCREASE YOUR DEBT SERVICE RATE BY ONE PENNY.
SO ON AN AVERAGE HOUSE OF $357,000 IN THE CITY OF HU 3 57 OKAY.
A ONE PENNY INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE RATE EQUATES TO $3 PER MONTH.
NOW IN TURN THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER CALCULATIONS THOUGH BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WHEN YOU CALCULATE THE I N S RATE, THESE ARE GOOD RULES OF THUMB.
SO LAST YEAR YOUR DEBT SERVICE RATE FOR YOUR CITIZENS WAS 15 CENTS.
SO WE HAD AN INCREASE OF A BILLION DOLLARS IN VALUATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE ISSUED, YOU ISSUED UH, $12 MILLION IN BONDS FOR THE EAST WEST SPINE ROAD AND YOU ISSUED $26 MILLION IN BONDS FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, YOUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE FOR 24 INCREASED AND YOUR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE IS NOW 6.4 MILLION FOR 24.
AND THAT EQUATES TO, YOU WOULD THINK AN INCREASE IN YOUR DEBT SERVICE RATE, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
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RATE.THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS PUSH BACK WHEN THEY COME UP AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WILL SAY, UM, THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR WILL SAY, WELL YOU CAN DO ALL THIS WORK AND IT WON'T INCREASE YOUR RATE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME IS GOING UP OR THE PROPERTY'S GOING UP OVER SAY 10 OR 20 YEARS.
SO IF YOU KEEP THE RATE CONSISTENT, YOU'VE JUST, THAT'S MY ARGUMENT WITH SOME OF THE ENTITIES IS THEY MAKE IT OUT LIKE WE'RE NOT INCREASING YOUR TAXES, IT'S THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE THAT INCREASE YOUR TAXES.
BUT THE VALUATIONS COME OUT IN MARCH.
YOU SET THE RATES IN JULY AND AUGUST.
AND SO WHEN YOU SAY IN AUGUST WE KEPT THE RATE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INCREASED PEOPLE'S TAXES BECAUSE OTHERWISE TO GET THE SAME DEBT SERVICE IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE DROPPED FROM SAY 15 TO 14 TO 13 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
AND UM, AND SO YEAH, I ALWAYS, IN CENTRAL TEXAS, I ALWAYS EXPECT EVERY YEAR THE RATES TO DROP.
WHICH IS THE OTHER PART I ALWAYS ARGUE WHEN SOME ENTITIES WILL SAY, WELL WE'VE DROPPED YOUR RATES, YOU KNOW, SEVEN YEARS IN A ROW, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE IS WHAT CAUSED THAT RATE TO COME DOWN.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AN ELECTED PERSON NEVER LOWERS YOUR RATE.
IT'S THE STATE AND THE LAWS AND THE VALUES AND, AND JUST MATH I GUESS IN GENERAL, BUT OKAY.
SO WITH THAT, IF 10 MILLION IS A PENNY AND UH, AND I ALWAYS DON'T LIKE THE PER MONTH NUMBER 'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN DO IT PER DAY AND YOU CAN SAY, WELL COUNCILMAN GET ON BOARD WITH THIS.
BUT THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH OF IT IS IT'S $3 WHATEVER A MONTH FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
NEXT YEAR WE HAVE THE ARGUMENT IT'S ONLY $3 A MONTH FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
AND IN 30 YEARS WE'RE LIKE, WELL HOW IN THE HELL DID OUR PROPERTY TAXES GET TO BE $30,000 A YEAR? WELL IT'S LIKE A CHARGE CARD.
EVERY TIME YOU BUY SOMETHING, NO PAYMENTS, NO INTEREST FOR TWO YEARS.
YOU DO THAT EVERY MONTH IN TWO YEARS YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, I'M FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE I BOUGHT TOO MUCH.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME DEBT.
AND AND THAT'S 60 BUCKS OR 70 BUCKS A YEAR? 36.
I DID A LITTLE BIT OF MATH RIGHT HERE.
SO IF WE DO 50 MILLION, RIGHT? JUST KICKING IT UP FROM THE 10 MILLION, IF WE DO 50 MILLION, BECAUSE PROPOSED FOR 24 WOULD BE 13 CENTS.
SO THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR, UM, THE I N SS AN ADDITIONAL 3 CENTS WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.
SO IT WOULD BE TO TAKE UP 50 MILLION ON THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER OF THE 3 57 OVER IN A YEAR.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD COST, UM, THE HOMEOWNER $108 IN ONE YEAR.
WAIT, SHE SAID 10 MILLION WAS A PENNY, SO 50 MILLION WOULD BE FIVE PENNIES.
BUT SHE'S SAYING BUT IF WE'VE DROPPED FROM 15 TO 1315, YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OUR PROPOSAL TWO IS DROPPING 15, 15 ADDED, ADDED THREE MORE.
THAT'S WHERE SHE, I JUST DID THE EASY MATH, PICKED IT UP FROM NOW, NOW IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING, SO IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED, $108.
BUT WHY ARE, ARE YOU DOING JUST FOR THE ROADS 50? YOU'RE ASSUMING 50 MILLION.
I'M JUST, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT ROADS OR ANYTHING JUST IN GENERAL.
OH, I SEE DEBT TAKING OUT 50 MILLION.
BUT YOU CAN'T DO, YOU CAN'T SAY IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE OF THREE.
SO IF WE DON'T DO IT, IF WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY OF LIKE PICKING UP, IT WOULD BE $180.
SO THAT NEXT YEAR, BUT THE I N S HAS GONE DOWN BACK TO OR GONE DOWN TO 13.
BUT LIKE I NEVER WORRY ABOUT THE TA I NEVER WORRY ABOUT THE TAX RATE.
'CAUSE IF OUR HOMES DROP IN HALF, THEN THE I N S GOES FROM 15 TO 30 CENTS AND WE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IF OUR HOMES DOUBLE IN VALUE, IT GOES FROM 15 CENTS TO SEVEN AND A HALF CENTS AND WE DON'T PAY ANY MORE IN TAXES.
SO I NEVER WORRY ABOUT THE RATE.
WHICH IS WHY I SAID I I DON'T CARE WHAT'S ON THE LIST.
THEN I GUESS WE, WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING THEN AT THIS POINT.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED, YEAH, LIKE WE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT LIKE A NUMBER THAT WE WANNA GET TO AS A COUNCIL OF WHAT WE WANT OF YOU SAY WE NEED A NUMBER, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A NUMBER.
HOW DO WE GET TO THAT NUMBER? LIKE IT COULD BE A HUNDRED MILLION, IT COULD BE ONLY 10 MILLION.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT DEBT BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST AT LIKE, HEY, I DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MONEY.
BUT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS BASED ON A, WELL, IF WE'RE 15 DROPS OF 13, WE GO TO 14, IT JUST DOLLARS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S AN EASY FRAMEWORK TO FOLLOW OR SOMETHING THAT IT'S, IT'S TANGIBLE THAT YOU CAN TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
OR IT ACTUALLY COULD BE LESS, IT COULD BE ONE 50.
BUT ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS WE TALK DOLLARS AND NOT TAX RATES.
SO WE SAY LOOK FOR EVERY 10 MILLION IT'S, YOU SAID IT'S HOW MUCH A MONTH? A $36 A MONTH OR 36 A YEAR? 36.
$36 A YEAR FOR EVERY 10 MILLION.
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SO THAT'S WHAT, WHEN I LOOK AT DEBT, THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT IS WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY HIT THE POCKETBOOK.AND SO INSTEAD OF WORKING ABOUT TAX RATES, I'M LIKE OKAY, FOR 10 MILLION IT'S 36 BUCKS.
SO JUST LOOKING AT IT BACKWARDS IN LIKE IN A DIFFERENT VIEW.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
WE CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY IF YOU'D LIKE.
'CAUSE THE PART THAT YOU MISS WHEN YOU ONLY LOOK AT THE RATE IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON COUNCIL, I'VE LOOKED UP ALL OF, ALL OF OUR TAXES.
FIVE OF US HAVE A 10% INCREASE IN OUR, IN OUR TAXABLE VALUE THIS YEAR BECAUSE OUR HOMES WENT UP.
ONE OF US IS A RENTER, SO IT DOESN'T APPLY.
ONE OF US UM, ONE OF US BOUGHT A HOUSE MORE RECENTLY SO DOESN'T HAVE HOMESTEAD PROTECTION.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME HOUSE THAN THE REST OF US ARE ANYWAY.
BUT FOR THE FIVE OF US WHO HAVE HOMESTEAD PROTECTION, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE CITY, IT'S ANYBODY WHO'S OWNED A HOME FROM 2020 OR EARLIER AND STILL OWNS THE HOME, THEY WENT UP 10% ALREADY.
SO IF THE RATE STAYS THE SAME, YOU, YOU'RE PAYING 10% MORE IN DEBT SERVICE.
SO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF WHAT YOU PAID LAST YEAR.
AND IT'S NOT JUST HOW MUCH DID THE RATE CHANGE, IT'S HOW MUCH DID THE RATE CHANGE PLUS HOW MUCH DID THE TAXABLE VALUES CHANGE MM-HMM
AND AND I DON'T, AND THAT IT'S PART, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO JUST BE CONSIDERED.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
THE ONE OTHER POINT I WANT TO SAY TO THAT THOUGH, I THINK HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IS NOT THAT YOU WILL NEVER PAY MORE TAXES.
UH, IN GENERAL WHAT IT MEANS IS YOU HAVE AN, UH, A, A A, A FLATTENED CURVE OF NO MORE THAN 10% A YEAR, UM, WOULD HIT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
BUT AT SOME POINT YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH UP TO THE MARKET RATE ALWAYS.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING FULL VALUE DON'T INCREASE THEIRS.
LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE, LIKE I KNOW MINE'S GONNA GO UP 10% FOR LIKE THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE WE HAD IN 2020.
AND YES, WE WANNA BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, BUT I MEAN YOU HOMESTEAD IT IS NOT THE, THE THE NUMBER, I MEAN THAT MATTERS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE RENT, THEY DON'T GET THE HOMESTEAD.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, THE OTHER THING YOU'RE NOT MENTIONING IS THE, THE, WE AT LEAST HAVE A TWO YEAR GAP FOR HOMESTEADED PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW GONNA GET INSTEAD OF, WHAT IS IT 40,000? IT'S GOING TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND THIS YEAR FOR THEIR PROPERTY VALUE REDUCTION IS FOR THEIR NUMBER.
SO THAT'S GONNA, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY, THAT'S ONLY THE I S D.
THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO EXEMPTION FOR BUT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT LOOKS AT, FOR CITY TAXES IT'S NOT ID TAXES BUT, BUT PERSONALLY WHEN IF I'M A HOMEOWNER, I'M NOT LOOKING AT, I PAID $700 TO THE CITY.
I'M LOOKING AT, I PAID $6,500 TO WILL CAD.
RIGHT? SO IF IN AGGREGATE WE KNOW A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS COMING IN THERE AND WE'RE LIKE, YOUR BILL IS GONNA STAY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BUT, BUT AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE CONTROL OVER VOTING ON THE CITY TAX RATE.
I AGREE AND CON AND HELPING KEEP THAT IN CONTROL.
I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER ANYBODY ELSE'S TAX RATE.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE LOWERS THEIR TAXES, THAT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO SAY, OH I CAN CHARGE YOU MORE BECAUSE YOUR BILL'S GONNA BE LOWER.
SO I NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE MONEY AS BEST AS I CAN AND TRY AND GET, TRY AND KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WE'RE GOING.
MAYOR COUNCIL, IF, IF I MIGHT, UM, SUGGEST, SO UM,
SO FROM THERE, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PRIORITIZE YOUR LIST.
I HAVE SO MUCH THAT I CAN ISSUE IN DEBT.
YOU THEN HAVE TO DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO ISSUE.
COS YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT'S GONNA SET, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE CUT OFF THE LIST.
WE'RE ONLY GONNA SPEND, YOU KNOW, 40 MILLION FOR ROADS OR WE'RE ONLY GONNA SPEND 5 MILLION FOR ROADS, WHATEVER IT IS.
SO IF YOU GO THROUGH THE LIST AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, YOU SUBTRACT OUT THE THINGS WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDING FOR AND WE'RE SHORT EFFECTIVELY A FUNDING SOURCE FOR, WHAT WAS IT? 27 MILLION WAS THE NUMBER WE'RE SHORT, 27 MILLION.
IF YOU, AND IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN SUBTRACT THE 17 OUT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR BECAUSE SOME OF THAT 17 IS BACKED BY THE MONEY THAT WE DO HAVE.
BUT THAT SAID, YOU'RE LEFT WITH THAT DELTA.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY $30 MILLION ROUNDING UP.
SO IT ALL FITS OF, OF ROAD PROJECTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO OR WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THIS YEAR.
AND THEN THAT THEN IN TURN LEADS ME BACK TO, IF IT'S WHAT YOUR LIST IS LESS THAN 14 POINT A HALF MILLION, THEN I CAN ISSUE DEBT FOR THE I N S FOR THAT.
IF IT'S MORE THAN 14 POINT A HALF MILLION, THEN YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO AGREE TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO AGREE TO PUT IT ON A BOND CALL TO THE VOTERS AND THAT SHOULD HELP YOU.
SO, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO CONTINUE TO TO, TO, TO NAVIGATE LIKE WHAT IS IT FOR THE HOMEOWNER, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS.
'CAUSE IT SHOULD BE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME FOR THE AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER HOW YOU CUT IT, IT'S ABOUT SCALE.
SO DO YOU WANT TO DO $10 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS AND THEN I ISSUE 10 MILLION IN DEBT RECOMME
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RECOMMENDATION, DO YOU WANNA DO 25 MILLION AND I CAN ISSUE 14 AND A HALF AND I GOTTA COME UP WITH THE OTHER 10 THROUGH A CO THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.AND IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS BY 10 MILLION BUCKETS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DIAL IN ON WHAT YOU THINK IS, IS A REASONABLE AND FAIR ASK FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ASPECT.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP ALLOW YOU TO BE ABLE TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ROADS ARE IN AND WHICH ONES ARE OUT.
AND IF YOU PAIR THE LIST DOWN ENOUGH, THEN YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BELOW THE 14 AND A HALF, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH BOND DOLLARS AUTHORIZED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
MAYOR
UNFORTUNATELY, WELL, I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY.
UH, ALL THE BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN HUDDLE ARE NOT OPERATING BECAUSE THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY DOWN.
THIS IS ABOUT THE FOURTH OR FIFTH TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED.
I JUST, I MEAN THE FOURTH OR FIVE TIMES THIS YEAR'S ONLY JULY YOU POWER US OFF AND EVERY BUSINESS IN IN DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE LISTENING TO ME.
CAN I FINISH MY, NO, WELL THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
SO MAYOR, I I WILL SAY, UH, TO AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, WE DID GET NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A MAJ, A MAJOR POWER LINE THAT SNAPPED ON 79 AND THE EMERGENCY CREWS ARE OUT RESPONDING TO THAT RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO POWER.
NO, AND I APPRECIATE THIS CONCERN.
UM, I SOMETIMES I WISH WE DID RUN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, UM, BUT THEN I KNOW THAT GEORGETOWN HAD ISSUE LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION IN DEBT BECAUSE THEY RAN AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM DURING THE FREEZE.
AND SO THEN I WAS GLAD WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM BUT OKAY, MAYOR PROTO, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN THORNTON HAD MENTIONED THAT YEAH, WE ONLY CONTROL OUR PORTION OF THE TAX AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE UM, FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY LIES ONLY WITHIN THAT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT UM, IT, IT COULD BE SILOED THINKING TO JUST LOOK AT OUR OWN PORTION TO SAY WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT'S OUR DEBT RATE? WHAT CAN WE AFFORD, WHAT CAN WE DO? WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY I THINK, TO BE ABLE TO GET A LOT MORE PROJECTS DONE.
IF THE STATE IS DROPPING THE OVERALL TAX RATE ON THE I S D SIDE SO MUCH THAT ALL OF THESE CITIZENS ARE GETTING A PRETTY GOOD TAX BREAK OVERALL, THEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THEN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IF WE CHOOSE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE WORK DONE THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN CLAMORING FOR LIKE MORE ROADS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND WE CAN DO SOME CATCH UP AND IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE OVERALL RATE OF THE CITIZENS.
AND SO I THINK IF WE DON'T AT LEAST CONSIDER TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA GET A MASSIVE TAX BREAK FOR THEIR I S D AND SO WE CAN DO SOME CATCH UP AND WE CAN PLAY THAT CATCH UP, GET A LOT MORE WORK DONE AND KIND OF FRONT LOAD THAT I THINK AT LEAST IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING TO WHERE WE, WE KIND OF TAKE THE OVERALL PICTURE INTO ACCOUNT.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT OUR OWN SILO AND TO SAY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITHIN THAT.
SO I I, THAT WAS THE, THE POINT I WAS, SO LET LET ASK YOU ALL THIS, SEE IF I'M NOT OPPOSED.
LAST YEAR I, I THINK I SAID I HAMMERED ON THE UH, NO NEW REVENUE BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK, UM, JAMES WAS NEW.
I THINK HE'D BEEN IN POSITION WHAT A WEEK? MAYBE TWO
UH, ACTUALLY NOW THAT YOU BRING IT UP AUGUST, AUGUST 3RD WHEN I WILL BE PRESENTING THE BUDGET TO YOU WILL BE MY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
SO I HAMMERED NO NEW REVENUE LAST YEAR BECAUSE I SAID IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND IT, THEN DON'T CHARGE PEOPLE MONEY JUST TO HAVE MONEY.
WE HAD A LIST OF C I P PROJECTS.
IT WAS LIKE, I THINK 14 MILLION.
WE WANTED TO BORROW ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 42 MILLION AND I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST ANYTHING ABOVE LIKE 14 MILLION.
BUT I TRIED TO COMPROMISE AT 20 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WON'T GET THE PROJECTS DONE.
I'M NOT HERE TO SAY WHO'S RIGHT OR WHO'S WRONG.
WE DIDN'T GET THE PROJECTS DONE.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN, WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE IS, LIKE I SAID THEN I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GOING ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE.
AS LONG AS WE'RE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR BOND DOLLARS, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA USE, IF WE GO OUT AND MAKE A PLAN TO BORROW $30 MILLION AND WE SPEND 5 MILLION, THEN I'M GONNA BE REALLY UPSET.
'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
IF WE COME OUT AND SAY A $50 MILLION PACKAGE, THEN JAMES WILL NOT BE SITTING HERE FOR YEAR THREE IF WE DON'T SPEND $50 MILLION IN MY MIND BECAUSE WE'RE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR STUFF.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN AS A COMMUNITY, AS A GROUP, WHEN WE OVER PROMISE, UNDER DELIVER, IT'S NO BIG DEAL TO US.
BUT THE TAXPAYERS HAD TO PAY FOR THAT EMPTY PROMISE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I'D LIKE TO MAYBE DO TO SPEED THIS UP IS WHAT ARE, WHAT'S A PROJECT I WAIT, CAN I, I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I THINK MAY HELP GET US KICK STARTED AND GET THAT BALL REALLY ROLLING PRETTY FAST.
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A PROJECT YOU TAKE OFF THIS LIST FOR NEXT YEAR? WELL I HAVE A LIST OF FIVE I WOULD REMOVE IF YOU COULD JUST GIMME A SECOND TO GET THROUGH MINE TO KICK IT OFF.AND SO CAN YOU GIMME YOUR FIVE? OKAY, SO WE'RE 27 MILLION UNFUNDED.
SO THE FIVE THAT I PROPOSE WE MOVE OUT, WHICH WOULD GIVE US 11 POINT UH, 7 MILLION REMOVED FROM THIS YEAR WOULD BE THE UM, STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30.
HE IS THE T DASH, SORRY T 33 DASH 2027.
T 33 DASH 2027 MAY HAVE 2 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WITH.
OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ONE? UM, THE NEXT ONE IS T 18 DASH 2024 T 18.
ALRIGHT, 'CAUSE I WANNA WAIT TILL WE HAVE DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION.
WE'RE ALREADY GONNA RIP UP 1660 SOUTH AND 79.
AND THEN IF WE TEAR UP FRONT STREET AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE BOTTLENECKING THE ONLY OTHER WAY OUT OF THAT PART OF THE TOWN.
UM, SO WE MAY MOVE THAT ONE YEAR.
UM THE LIMMER LOOP IN HAYBURN INTERSECTION MOVE OUT A YEAR, WHICH IS T 17 DASH 2024.
UM, CUT, UH, T 14 20 24 IN HALF.
BECAUSE MY THOUGHT IS IF WE'RE GOING FOR I S D PARTICIPATION, WHY IS IT THE COST, THE SAME AMOUNT OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL INNOVATION AND MAYBE DEBATE WHICH ONE HAS TO BE DONE ONCE OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF T ZERO SIX DASH 2023, WHICH YOU MENTIONED THAT WE GO FROM A MILLION DOWN TO, TO HALF A MILLION.
SO IF WE DO THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT REMOVES 11.7 MILLION OUT OF THIS YEAR.
AND THE, I KNOW THERE WOULD BE A COST TO ISSUE, BUT YOU SAID WE HAVE 14 MILLION LEFT IN ROAD BOND MONEY THAT WE COULD DO.
SO IF YOU DO 11.7 REMOVED FROM THE 27 UNFUNDED, UM, AND WE DECIDED AS A COUNCIL THAT WE WANTED TO ISSUE BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS COULD GET STARTED, THE 14 MILLION OF THE ROAD BOND BEFORE WE HAD TO GO OUT AND ISSUE NEW BONDING TO ASK CITIZENS IF THEY WANTED US TO DO THESE OTHER ROADS THAT WOULD LEAVE US A $1.3 MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH OUT OF THAT 27 UNFUNDED.
THAT'S NOT EVEN LOOKING AT POSSIBLY HOW MUCH OF THE 17 MILLION IS THE EAST WEST ROAD.
IT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE, THE WIGGLE ROOM THAT DEFINITELY TO COVER UP THE 1.3 MILLION.
BUT, UM, I THINK IF WE START THERE, I THINK THOSE AREN'T TOO HARD TO MAYBE DEBATE ABOUT.
UM, BUT THAT GETS US REALLY CLOSE.
IF THEN YOU WANT TO HAVE THE F THE 14 MILLION ROAD BONDS STILL, UM, AND NOT ISSUE ANY OTHER, AND THEN THAT WAY YOU, YOU'VE USED THE LAST OF THE ROAD STUFF AND DONE THESE PROJECTS AND NEED TO BE DONE.
SO IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, TAKE OUT T 11, MAKE T OH SIX HALF.
THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S THE, OKAY.
SO T SIX HALF HALF T 14, HALF T 17, I'M GONNA SAY TAKEOUT COULD BE PUSHED TO A DIFFERENT YEAR.
T 18 TAKEOUT T 33 TAKEOUT WITH THE I IDEA BEING A DEBT CLOSES THE, UH, THE, THE GAP CLOSE ENOUGH WHERE NOW WE'RE ONLY TALKING A MILLION SOMETHING MEAN.
WELL, WE'VE HAD 14 MILLION OF ROAD BONDS THAT WE COULD STILL COVER FOR THE REST, ISSUING THAT MONEY.
AND THEN YOU'D BE 1.3 SHORT, WHICH IS A HECK OF A LOT CLOSER THAN BEING AT 27, 4 50.
SO, DOES ANYBODY SEE ISSUES WITH THOSE SUGGESTIONS? CAN YOU GO OVER 'EM AGAIN? IS THAT SUBTRACTED? UH, SO T SIX, STARTING FROM THE TOP, GOING DOWN T SIX, WE DROPPED THAT TO HALF.
AND, AND THAT'S THE LAKE SIDE OF STATE SIDEWALKS.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST TALKING JUST NEXT YEAR.
UM, T 14, WE WOULD DROP IN HALF ASSUMING THE ICS PAYING THEIR HALF ON ON THAT ONE.
I, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO PAUSE.
SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ONLY OFFERED TO PARTNER ON A LIMITED DOLLAR AMOUNT OF WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST TO DO THAT.
SO THEY HAD OFFERED, I REMEMBER A NUMBER OF FOUR 50, BUT MATT IS TELLING ME A NUMBER LESS THAN FOUR 50.
SO THEY'D ONLY OFFERED UP TO, LET'S SAY, AT MOST 300,000.
'CAUSE THAT CUTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.
$300,000 TOWARD THAT IMPROVEMENT.
IT WAS JUST TO INSTALL A LOT POLE.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA INSTALL THE LOT POLE NOW YOU GOTTA GO BUILD THE TURN LANES, YOU GOTTA REBUILD THE INTERSECTION, YOU GOTTA DO ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
SO YOU, IF YOU CUT IT IN HALF, YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE THE POTENTIAL FUNDING TO GET THE PROJECT DONE.
'CAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HASN'T AGREED TO PAY THE OTHER 1.1 MILLION.
WELL, SO, UH, DO WE HAVE THAT? OH, OH NO, I'M, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, SO I WOULD JUST SAY THIS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE WON'T HAVE THE POTENTIAL FUNDING, IT'S THAT POTENTIALLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY THE CITY'S ONLY GONNA OFFER 1,000,001 AND FOR OUR KIDS TO GET ACROSS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE OFFERING 300 OH OH MAYOR, CAN I, AND THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL.
HIS OTHER THING TO THE ANSWER WAS T 17 WAS TO TAKE OUT, WELL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE.
THAT ONE I THINK IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT'S BEING BUILT THERE, ACCORDING
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TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SITE, THEY'RE GONNA COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION IN MAY AND O.AND SO THEN IF THEY'RE OPENING IT UP A YEAR FROM NOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THE INTERSECTION FIXED.
THEN THEY NEED TO PAY IT TO PAY FOR IT.
WELL, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SCHOOL WITH AN INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT FIXED.
WE NEED TO, THAT'S NOT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT GETS I AGREE.
UM, BUT I'M JUST, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
I MEAN, MAYBE IT ISN'T OUR PROBLEM, BUT THE, IT'S THE COMMUNITY'S PROBLEM.
SO WE NEED TO I HEAR, MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS RESOLVED.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST DOING WHAT COUNCILOR THOMPSON SAID, UH, T 16 TAKE OUT, THIS IS JUST, UH, COUNCILOR CLARK STILL, JUST TO MOVE IT FORWARD, YOU KNOW, T 18 TO TAKE OUT AND T 33 TO TAKE OUT AND SO ON THAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT T 17 FOR SURE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ONES BASED ON JUST THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT MORE? SO DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE T 14, WE WANT TO GET THE SPECS ON T 14, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S UP AND UP ON THAT.
UM, SO I WOULDN'T BE FOR TAKING IT OUT RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST UNTIL WE GET FULL.
I THINK THE REQUEST WAS TO JUST CUT IT DOWN, NOT TAKE OUT, BUT TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THE ISD WOULD PAY.
WE JUST NEED TO GET THE, THE FULL AGREEMENT.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT? ENTAILING.
ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CUTTING T SIX IN HALF? WHERE'S T THAT'S THE SIDEWALKS FROM A MILLION TO 500,000.
I THINK WE, BECAUSE WE'VE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND SO I THINK AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THE PROGRESS IS HAPPENING.
I, I, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA PUT T SIX, I'M GONNA MAKE ANOTHER MARK THAT ONE THAT'S DONE.
IS THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH, SORRY, MAYOR.
MAYOR, WITH YOU MAKING THAT, MAKING THAT NOTE.
IS THIS WHAT WE'RE GOING OFF OF? IS THIS IS YOUR LIST KIND OF OUR, WHAT WE'RE GONNA AGREE ON OR WE, WE CAN'T VOTE TODAY, RIGHT? WE CAN JUST GIVE INPUT.
SO WE'RE GIVING INPUT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS AT SOME POINT.
RIGHT? SO IS THIS THE LIST THAT YOU'RE CURING? YEAH, I'M JUST KEEPING TRACK FOR EVERYBODY.
ON THINGS WE COMPLETELY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.
T 16, ANY ISSUE WITH NOT WORKING ON THAT THIS YEAR? ALRIGHT.
AND THAT WAS ALSO ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THE I S D MENTIONED IN PUBLIC THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED SINCE THEY'RE PLANNING ON MAKING THAT BE THEIR NEW ENTRANCE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'VE, I'VE FORCED FOR WITH THEIR NEW DESIGN SO THAT SPECIFICALLY WE COULD, UM, SEE IF THERE'S A, AN EXPANSION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD TO, FOR FRONT STREET OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THERE.
AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME I S D PARTICIPATION AND THAT'S WHERE THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WAS REQUESTED AND NEEDED FOR TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE PUSH THAT ONE OUT TILL WE GET THOSE ANSWERS.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
I I THINK THE REQUEST WAS NOT TO REMOVE IT BUT TO PUSH IT OUT.
AND I WAS GONNA ASK, WHICH YEAR WERE YOU RECOMMENDING? JUST ONE YEAR? I THINK TWO YEARS.
I THINK IN ONE YEAR WE KNOW MORE.
I THINK ON THAT, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD IS THAT COULD BE A PART OF PACKAGE AT THAT POINT IS WE JUST FOCUS ON TAKING OUT THIS YEAR WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GO.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME YOU PUSH IT A YEAR, YOU'VE, YOU'VE COMPOUNDED THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THERE'S 46 MILLION.
AND NOW YOU MAY SAY, WELL, I DON'T, IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER EXERCISE.
BUT IF YOU TAKE IT OUT, WHAT I HEARD THE CITY MANAGER SAY, IF IT COMPLETELY GETS REMOVED FROM HERE, THEN IF THERE'S POSSIBLE, UM, DEVELOPER PROCESS, DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
I'M NOT SAYING TAKEOUT OFF THE LIST.
I'M JUST, WHEN I SAY TAKEOUT, I'M SAYING TAKEOUT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR'S 10.
UH, BUT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHICH COLUMN YOU WANNA PUT IT ON.
THE STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW WHICH COLUMN TO PUT IT IN WHEN THEY, THE TERM I WOULD PUSH EVERYTHING TO NEXT YEAR.
AND MAKE IT BE A HUNDRED MILLION.
AND THEN MY GOAL IS TO MEET IN THREE MONTHS AND FIGURE OUT NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN WE GO TO GO ISSUE A ROAD BOND PACKAGES SEVERAL OF THEM WITH DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY AND GET IMPROVEMENTS OR SOMETHING.
SO, SO MAYOR AM MY UNDERSTANDING ARE, ARE Y'ALL IN CONSENSUS ON REMOVING THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, OR I MEAN, MOVING 'EM TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR? YES.
SO, SO FAR THE ONES WE'VE AGREED TO IS T SIX, JUST TO CUT THAT IN HALF.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO CHANGE.
T 16 E EVERY TIME WE SAY TAKEOUT, JUST BUMP IT A YEAR.
SO T 16 WILL GO TO THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH T 18 GOING TO THE NEXT YEAR? NO.
SO HEARING NONE AND IF A MAJOR DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO PAY IT AND THEIR IMPACT P THAT OBVIOUSLY CHANGES THAT.
AND WE CAN DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, AT THAT POINT, BUT SO, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE WHAT IS LEFT AND, AND THEN WE WILL BUILD THE FUNDING PLAN AND PUT THAT INTO MY PROPOSED BUDGET.
I HAVE AVAILABLE TIFF OR TAXING, UM, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.
AND I HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, UH, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT THE CITY, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO IMPROVE.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD, UH, I'M SORRY.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY, OUT OF THOSE THREE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS ONE AND A
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HALF OF THEM, I THINK WE CAN PAY FOR.I MEAN, I, I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN PAY 6.8 MILLION, $6.6 MILLION FOR THREE TRAFFICS.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET CREATIVE FUNDING WITH THE I S D TO HELP, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEVELOPERS COME IN, WHATEVER IS TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES COME IN THAT ARE THEN SENT TO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I JUST KNOW AS A CITY WE NEED TO, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE PRIORITIZE OF WHICH ONE AND A HALF AMOUNTS WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR STAFF TO BUILD UP BUILD.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT THAT ONE WE LINED OUT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT CITY ENGINEER OR PLANNING OF THE VOTE LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
BUT I JUST DON'T, WE CAN'T FULLY FUND ALL THREE.
WELL, BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH ON DISCUSSING DIFFERENT THINGS, LET'S FINISH UP YOUR LIST.
DID ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH T 33 BEING BUMPED BY EAR? AND THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A DESIGN, NOT THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE STUDY FOR THAT.
WE HAVE TO PAY THE TXDOT TOLL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT THE STUDY.
AND THAT'S JUST A, A SUNK COST.
SO WE PAY THEM TO DO THE STUDY AND THEN THEY TELL US THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO WRITE THEM FOR LOST REVENUE BEFORE THEY LET US GO TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE IDEA IS TO PUSH THAT BY YEAR BECAUSE, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PERSONALLY.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU DO THE STUDY, YOU'VE JUST OPENED YOURSELF UP TO 20 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUND THE 20 MILLION IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, I I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D SPEND 2 MILLION ON THE STUDY TODAY WHEN, WELL, HERE, HERE HERE'S, I I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD KEEP THAT AND DO THE STUDY.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S 2 MILLION, BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA START THESE PROJECTS HERE.
HERE'S SOMEWHERE HERE'S YEAH, HERE'S THE REASON YOU WOULD WANT TO DO, IT'S, AND I'M ADVOCATING FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THE REASON YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT IS WITHOUT THE STUDY.
WE CAN'T DESIGN WITHOUT DESIGN THEN YOU CAN'T GET DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION.
IF ANYONE ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD IS GOING TO BUILD, WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO COST PARTICIPATE.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I COULD THINK OF THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THE STUDY EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER.
BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT US TOO TERRIBLY MUCH IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS NEXT YEAR EITHER.
SO, WELL WHAT, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, IF WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE AND WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR WHENEVER WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN A BETTER FINANCIAL SITUATION, WHY NOT JUST PUSH ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE NEED A STUDY FOR, ESPECIALLY THE RED ONES THAT P N Z RECOMMENDED.
WHY NOT JUST PUSH THOSE TO THE NEXT YEAR WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE WITH AND WE MAY BE IN A BETTER SITUATION THEN.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE, I THINK THE, THE ONLY ONE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING, UH, PROPOSED TO PUSH IS T 33.
AND, UH, THAT ONE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE TOLLS.
UM, OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY PEOPLE TO GO DO STUDIES TO TELL US HOW MUCH TOLLS THEY'RE GONNA LOSE.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE YOU AND I ARE WORKING ON LEGISLATIVELY TO HOPE MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMETHING FROM THE STATE.
SO GIVE US SOME TIME ON THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY I SAY LET'S MOVE IT ONE YEAR BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN GET A BETTER ANSWER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE FOR US.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO Y'ALL WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THE STUDY ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND SO ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION ON THAT.
SO DID I HEAR RIGHT THAT WE ARE GONNA PAY THEM $2 MILLION TO DO A STUDY, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND ARE THEY GOING TO BILL US FOR LOSS POTENTIAL REVENUE BY PUTTING THAT INTO SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL HIDDEN COST YES.
TO THAT, WHERE THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, NOW THAT YOU'RE BYPASSING OUR TOLL ROAD, YOU HAVE TO PAY, IS THAT LIKE A ONETIME YEAH.
ONE B, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, BASICALLY THE CITY HAS TO CUT A CHECK FOR WHAT THEY CALCULATE TO BE THEIR LOST REVENUE.
THINK ABOUT IT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
IS IT ANNUAL OR IS IT ONE TIME? IT'S ONE TIME.
IT, SO BASICALLY THINK OF IT DISCOUNTED CASH FLOW MODEL.
THINK OF IT AS A CAPITAL RECOVERY.
THEY BUILT AND PUT IN THE CAPITAL TO BUILD THAT SECTION OF ROAD, RIGHT.
THEY EXPECT TO, UH, RECEIVE SO MUCH REVENUE TO PAY THE DEBT MM-HMM.
SO IF WE TAKE THAT REVENUE AWAY, THEN THEY EXPECT US TO PAY IT TO THEM SO THEIR BOOKS ARE EQUAL.
SO THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS FOR TOLLS ALL.
BUT, BUT THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS ADDING ANOTHER EXIT SO THAT IT MIGHT, IT WOULDN'T RIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY FRONTAGE ROW WOULD, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID LET US HAVE A TIME TO TALK.
SO T T 33, ANYONE, ANYONE HAVE A STRONG OPINION OF KEEPING IT IN FOR NEXT YEAR? NO.
SO THEN MY QUESTION WAS ON THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION RE THE, THE NEW ONE.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO YOUR LEER LOOP AND HAY BARN.
THAT'S ONE WE'RE, WE'RE DEBATING.
CURRENTLY IT'S IN E T J, THERE'S A SCHOOL BEING BUILT ON IT AND A POSSIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD ANNEX IN.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO BUILD AND SPEND MONEY OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS? IF IT'S ON OUR MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN? I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT ON THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR NOT? AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
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GET A DETERMINATION FROM THE BOND COUNCIL TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ISSUE DEBT FOR THAT PURPOSE.BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY TO GET THE ROAD BUILT AND BE FUNDING PARTNERS JUST LIKE THE COUNTY CAN PARTNER WITH US TO GET ROADS BUILT INSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS.
IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BOND COUNCIL BECAUSE WE CAN DO SALES TAX BONDS AND DO OUR OWN THING.
WE CAN DO A CO AND DO OUR OWN THING.
SO GENERAL REVENUE, WE, I CAN'T SEND MY CREWS OUT TO GO BUILD THE ROAD WITHOUT HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
WHAT I WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BOND COUNCIL.
WELL, I'M SAYING BECAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE ROAD BONDS TO DO THIS NECESSARILY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THIS A PROJECT WE EVEN AS A COUNCIL WANNA ENGAGE IN? BECAUSE IF WE SAY NO, IT'S IN E T J, WE DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT, THEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE BONDS OR THE COUNTY OR ANYBODY SAYS, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT.
IF WE WANNA DO IT, THEN WE CAN TASK YOU GUYS WITH THE, WITH THE PURPOSE TO GO OUT, FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINANCE IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO GET IT, THE PARTNERS.
BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DECIDED IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT YET.
SO I'M SORRY, THE, THE QUESTION I THOUGHT I WAS RESPONDING TO WAS, CAN WE EVEN BUILD IN OUR E T J AND THE ANSWER IS WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY BILL TO DO SO.
SO DO WE WANT MAYOR TO BUILD MAYOR, CAN I CLARIFY ONE OF THING, PLEASE? OH, SURE.
UH, SO ON THIS PARTICULAR, JUST, JUST FOR COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY, THE DEVELOPER THAT IS PROPOSING TO PUT A SUBDIVISION UP IN THAT INTERSECTION, SO I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE ROAD CHANGES UP THERE.
AND SO THIS ITEM WAS IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK THE CITY FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR SOME OF THOSE COSTS.
AND SO, UM, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU, THE CITY MIGHT NOT WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN.
I'VE ALREADY TOLD THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT AND THEN THEY'VE ALREADY SAID, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION IS WE DON'T WANNA DO IT, THEN I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND LET THEM KNOW.
YOU'RE TELLING 'EM THEY GOTTA DO IT.
THEY'RE SAYING YOU GOTTA PAY US BACK AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE WANNA PAY THEM BACK ON THIS ONE? IT SOUNDS THAT WAY, YES.
BECAUSE THEY COULD DO A PI AND THEY COULD GET REIMBURSED THAT WAY.
THEY COULD, I MEAN THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS THEY COULD DO IT, BUT SO IS THE PLANTED ANNEX THAT DEVELOPMENT? YES.
LIKE THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE THE PLAN IS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL, WE'LL APPROVE IT ANNEX WHATEVER.
YES, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH US RIGHT NOW.
SO MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS I'M REAL BIG ON DEVELOPMENT, PAYING FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF SO, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMING IN COST EVERYBODY ELSE IN HU $2 MILLION, THEN I SAY DON'T BUILD THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, JUST BEING BLUNT, IF IF IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMING IN, IT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC ON 79 AND ED SCHMIDT GETTING TO IT AND ER'S GONNA GET BUSIER, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR IMPACT FEES AND THEIR T I A THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THEN I SAY, WELL WELCOME, WELCOME TO HUDA.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE OUT YOUR TAXES WILL PAY FOR FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
TO ME THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE FOCUSED ON.
BUT IF, 'CAUSE IF EVERY DEVELOPER COMES IN AND GOES, WELL YOU GUYS GOTTA PAY US BACK THEN.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE PAY US BACK PART, THE THE, THE CITIES CAN'T IMPOSE A COST ON A DEVELOPMENT IMPOSE, I SAID, I DIDN'T SAY THEY COULDN'T AGREE TO IT.
WE CAN'T IMPOSE ON THE DEVELOPMENT A PORTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS GREATER THAN THEIR PROPORTIONAL SHARE.
SO IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ON A ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND THE CITY'S MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN HAS IT AS A THREE LANE ROAD WITH A DEDICATED TURN LANE AND THEIR PROPORTIONAL SHARE IS ONLY HALF OF THAT, WELL THEN WE'RE MAKING THEM BUILD THE ENTIRE SECTION OF THAT ROADWAY.
BUT THEY ONLY HAVE TO COVER HALF THE COST THEMSELVES.
WE HAVE TO COVER THE OTHER HALF THROUGH TRAFFIC IMPACT FUNDS, THOSE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S USUALLY THE RUB.
IT'S NOT USUALLY THEM BUILDING A ROAD AND THEN US JUST PAYING THEM BACK FOR THE ROAD.
IT'S THE FACT THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO THE PROPORTIONAL SHARE OF THE COST FOR WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT IS.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN IMPOSE ON THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER CAN ASK FOR A BID, CAN, CAN CONSENT TO AGREE TO PAY FOR MORE THAN THEIR PROPORTIONAL SHARE.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN FORCE IS PROPORTIONAL SHARE.
OR THEY COULD CONSENT TO A, SOME SORT OF THREE D AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING TO WHERE INCREASED PROPERTY TAXES FROM THOSE HOMES, PAY THEM BACK.
THEY THEY CAN, THEY CAN CONSENT KINDA LIKE CARMEL CREEK, RIGHT? I MEAN THEY CAN CONSENT OR WE CAN SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVIDE, LIKE DO WE HAVE WATER UP THERE TO PROVIDE OR WASTEWATER OR HOW DO THEY, WHAT DO THEY GET FOR COMING TO THE CITY? IS THERE WASTEWATER SERVICE FROM US UP THERE? SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS
IF IT'S NOT IN OUR C C N, THEN WE'RE NOT COMPELLED TO SERVE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ARE WE COMPELLED TO DO WHAT VERSUS WHAT DO WE HAVE DISCRETIONARY OVER.
SO IF SOMEONE'S IN OUR C C N AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP AND THEY WANT TO CONNECT, WE'RE COMPELLED TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO SERVE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN OUR C C N.
SO BACK TO MY POINT IS THAT OUR SEWER UP THERE, I MEAN BECAUSE WHAT MAY NOT BE ON THIS LIST,
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I'D HAVE TO GO LOOK.IS THERE A, IS THERE A WASTEWATER LINE EXTENSION IN THE C I P FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR ARE THEY GONNA ANNEX IN AND THEN WE GET SPRUNG ON? WE OWE $3 MILLION FOR THAT TOO.
THERE THERE IS A WASTEWATER, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN THE C I P UNDER WASTEWATER, YOU'LL SEE THE AVERY LAKE PHASE ONE AND AVERY LAKE, PHASE TWO WW 2313.
THOSE, THOSE TWO PROJECTS WOULD EFFECTIVELY SERVE THE UH, SECTION OF HUDU THAT IS WEST OF ONE 30.
SO AT WHAT POINT THEY ANNEX IN TODAY, WHICH ONE OF THESE HAS TO BE LIKE, LIKE SAY WE WANTED TO CUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, WHICH ONE CAN WE NOT? IF THEY ANNEX IN, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM.
WHICH ONE OF THESE DOES THAT, ARE YOU TALKING THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS OR THE WATER OR THE STREET PROJECT? THE WASTEWATER? WELL, I THINK LET'S STICK WITH TRANSPORTATION FIRST BEFORE WE JUMP FORWARD TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS YOU SAY THEY HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICE.
AND I GET THAT THERE'S ALSO THINGS, WE ALWAYS GET ASKED TO CONSENT TO SOMETHING, GIVE A VARIANCE ON SOMETHING, BE FLEXIBLE.
AND IF YOU TELL ME IT'S $30 MILLION IN WASTEWATER BECAUSE A 500 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO COME IN ON THE VERY EDGE OF TOWN, THAT THAT'S, I COULD VERY EASILY VOTE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I'D SAY, WELL I'M NOT GIVING YOU A SINGLE VARIANCE BECAUSE IF WE GOTTA SPEND 30 MILLION WASTEWATER IN 5 MILLION IN ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE BUILT IN HU YEAH.
AND, AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY MORE TIME SO Y'ALL CAN FINISH TRANSPORTATION AND MOVE ON, BUT UM, THE SHORT ANSWER ON THAT IS, IS THAT WE AS A CITY WOULDN'T TRIGGER A $30 MILLION, UM, IMPROVEMENT IN ORDER TO SERVE A 500 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WOULD SAY THIS IS WHEN IT'S ON OUR C I P LIST TO GET BUILT.
SO YOU CAN PLAN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME ONLINE TO BE SERVED BY THAT IN 2032 WHENEVER IT IS ON OUR LIST.
OR IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING FASTER THAN THAT, THEN YOU CAN PAY TO BUILD ALL THIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPERS COME IN AND START ASKING FOR IMPACT FEE CREDIT BACK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING THE LINES TO GET THEIR CREDIT BACK.
SO WW 13, WE PUSH THAT OUT BY A YEAR, WHICH THEN TRIGGERS NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE ROAD WORK FOR A YEAR BECAUSE THEN IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN FOR THAT ONE PROJECT, YES.
BUT THAT, SO YEAH, BUT MOVING THAT ONE PROJECT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE BASIN OVER THERE.
NOT JUST THAT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, WHICH IS SIMPLY, COULD YOU TELL ME ONE PROJECT IN A SCHOOL AND I'M SAYING, WELL THAT'S THE SEWER THAT WOULD SERVE THE, UH, AREA WHERE THE, THE, THE CONCRETE FOLKS ARE, RIGHT? YES.
SO EVERYTHING FROM THE CONCRETE FOLKS NORTH IS THE, IS THAT WASTEWATER PROJECT.
SO IF THEY PARTICIPATE COST, THEN I MEAN YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? NO, I TOTALLY GET IT.
SAY TO SAVE 2 MILLION IN A ROAD PROJECT, YOU MAKE ONE MOVE INTO WASTEWATER, YOU BUMP IT OUT A YEAR.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO PROVIDE IT NOW IT'S, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IT AND WE CAN PAY 'EM BACK.
AND I DON'T MIND A DEVELOPER LIKE CARMEL CREEK SAYING, OKAY FINE, I'LL PUT IN 25 MILLION BUT YOU HAVE TO REIMBURSE MY TAXES FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T COST ME OR ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM THAT LIVES IN HU ANY MONEY.
UM, YEAH, I, BUT IT DOES BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS NOW THEN ENCUMBERED FOR THAT ONE PROJECT WHERE IT WOULD'VE COME INTO THE CITY AS GENERAL FUND DOLLARS BEEN DONE.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU COULD'VE DONE WITH.
SO, SO TIM, YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
I'M TRYING TO GET Y'ALL BACK HIGHER LEVEL.
YOU'RE GETTING DOWN TO MICRO, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING THERE.
THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT THE WASTEWATER PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS ROAD PROJECT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE BASIN AND THERE'S WAY MORE OTHER PROJECTS THAN JUST THIS ONE ROAD THAT'S ON OUR C I P THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF WE DELAY THAT IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO SPEND THIS MONEY, WE'RE AFFECTING THE, THE TEX MIX FOLKS, UH, EVERYTHING NORTH ON THE WEST SIDE OF ONE 30 FROM THERE NORTH.
BUT, BUT MAYBE I DON'T, MAYBE I OR THE COUNCIL DOESN'T CARE BECAUSE WHAT KEEPS HAPPENING IS CITIES AND GOVERNMENTS WANNA SPEND, UH, IF YOU SPEND $30 MILLION, YOU GET INVESTMENT OVER HERE.
WELL THE $30 MILLION TO DEBT SERVICE MAY WILL COST TO ALL OF US, UM, $120 A YEAR IN TAXES GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
AND THEY'RE ONLY GONNA PROVIDE SAY, 200,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES.
SO WE JUST SPENT 30 MILLION TO OPEN UP AND WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TO OPEN UP DEVELOPMENT WHEN WHAT I'M ARGUING IS WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY, THE CURRENT PEOPLE HERE.
THEN WHEN WE GET THAT DONE, THEN WE OUGHT TO BE FOCUSING ON, WELL HOW DO WE OPEN UP A NEW BASIN? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WAS JUST TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS GETTING READY TO GET CUT OFF BY ANOTHER CITY ON THEIR WASTEWATER SERVICE.
AND SO NOW, UM, THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS IF WE DO GOTTA GET INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE NO OFFENSE TO YOU GUYS, ENGINEERS LIKE TO DESIGN AND, AND LAY PIPE AND ROADS AND I'M NOT READY TO LAY A ROAD INTO AN AREA TO BRING DEVELOPMENT TO US UNTIL WE FIX THE ROADS WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
KINDA LIKE DON'T PLAN FOR THE FU LIKE, IT'S LIKE SIM CITY.
DON'T BUILD A ROAD TO INVITE DEVELOPMENT.
MAYBE JUST FIX WHAT WE GOT FIRST AND THEN WELL THE GOOD THING ABOUT SIM CITY IS YOU CAN HIT RESET.
WE CAN'T REALLY, WE CAN'T REALLY HIT RESET IN HU SO, SO UNFORTUNATELY, MAYOR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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I DO LIKE THE ANGLE OF THE PHILOSOPHY IS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW THEY ALL INTERRELATE.UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN HU WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ONLY FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH, LIKE I'VE SAID A LONG TIME, THE THINGS WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE, THE THINGS THAT WE NEED NOW AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
SO FOR NEXT YEAR T 17, DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NEXT YEAR.
I MEAN FROM A COUNCIL STANDPOINT, DOES ANYBODY WHAT WE WOULD DO? I FINE MOVING.
CAN I GET BUMPED A YEAR? WOULD HAVE THEM GO AHEAD AND DO IT'S LET'S MOVE IT.
SO IF WE BUMPED T 17, THAT'S SIX TWO, THAT'S NINE TWO, THAT'S 11 TWO.
AND THEN YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON T OH ONE, T OH ONE DASH R E F Y I WAS CURIOUS, WE HAVE 1.1 MILLION, THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION REFINISHED THIS NEW GREEN ITEM THAT THEY ADDED.
YEAH, WHAT'S THAT? SO I WAS SAYING WHAT WAS, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING LIKE LAST YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR? I DON'T SEE THE INCREMENTAL CHANGE.
SO I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, DO WE BUMP THAT DOWN BY HALF AGAIN OR, OR IF NOT, THAT'S ALMOST THE 1.3 THAT I WAS REFERRING TO THAT WE'RE NOT THERE.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THIS OPPORTUNITY COST? WHAT ARE WE GIVING UP IF WE DON'T DO THIS? UH, DO WE NEED TO DO IT AT THIS AMOUNT? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO STILL BE MAINTAINING CON SIDEWALKS IN OUR CITY 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THEY CRUMBLE.
BUT DOES IT NEED TO BE AT THIS RATE? UM, AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HANDLE IN THE GENERAL FUND AND NOT NECESSARILY BONDISH MM-HMM.
WE HAVE A SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE LINE ON THE O AND M SIDE.
SO THIS IS BUILDING NEW ASSETS THAT DON'T EXIST.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN A ROAD OR A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS, THOSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, WHICH, WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS WIN, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
THAT'S HOW Y'ALL GOT INTO, IN MY UNDERSTANDING THE LAKESIDE OF STATES IS YOU STARTED, YOU DECIDED WE WERE GONNA GO INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD SIDEWALKS WHERE THERE DON'T EXIST ANY AND THAT HAS ITS OWN DEDICATED LINE ITEMS. SO THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXPECTATION THAT'S ALL LAKESIDE OF STATES THOUGH.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXPECTATION THAT COUNCIL'S GONNA CONTINUE TO WANT TO BUILD SIDEWALKS WHERE THERE ARE NONE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT OR YOU DON'T WANNA START THAT PROGRAM THIS YEAR, THEN YOU CAN REMOVE THE MILLION DOLLARS.
SO I I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CUTTING THE LAKESIDE, YOU KNOW, IN HALF, MAYBE WE STAY AT A MILLION, BUT IT'S HALF LAKESIDE, HALF EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
OR YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS ONE, THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE NEXT.
I MEAN ONE OF THE TWO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE JUMP UP TO TWO RIGHT NOW.
THIS WOULD BE 6 500, 1 $0.6 MILLION ON SIDEWALKS IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR TOTAL BUDGET, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY SIDEWALKS BEING SPENT FOR SIDEWALKS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S ALREADY CUTTING THE OTHER ONE IN HALF.
WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 1.6.
SO MAYBE INSTEAD IT'S 1 MILLION.
SO WE TOOK ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOERS, UH, ANOTHER HALF A MILLION OUT OF THIS LIST.
THAT MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS LEFT IN THE CITY.
YEAH, THE CITIES ARE A LIST BECAUSE I KNOW LAKE LAKESIDE OF STATES WAS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN THE COUNTY AND THEN WE ANNEXED IT IN AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE.
BUT I I MEAN IS THIS THIS OLD TOWN? IS THIS, WHERE'S THIS AT? IT? IT'S ALL OVER.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE, UM, NADINE JOHNSON, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT WITH ONE SIDEWALK AND THEN THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT LATER ON.
AND SO NOW THE KIDS EITHER WALK THROUGH PEOPLE'S YARDS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET TO IT.
OR THEY, THEY HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE STREET, DOWN THE STREET AND THEN BACK OVER THE STREET.
BUT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A SIDEWALK JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THEN IT WOULD BE, OH, I SEE, OKAY.
IS THAT SAFE TO SAY? LIKE IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL WAS NO SIDEWALKS AND THEN THERE WAS A CHANGE IN HOW PEOPLE'S VIEWS AND WE DID ONE ON ONE SIDE AND NOW EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TWO AND SO THIS IS AN EFFORT TO OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS TO BRING EVERYTHING IN THE CITY UP TO WHAT THE NEW STANDARD IS.
AND AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS, THIS IS A COMPLETE DISCRETIONARY DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE JUST BUILD AS MANY SIDEWALKS AS WE CAN WITH THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT COUNCIL SAYS, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE WANT YOU TO SPEND BUILDING SIDEWALKS.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE GREEN THAT IS BUILT 100% OFF OF WHAT YOU GUYS ANTICIPATED IN YOUR 2023 C I P.
SO I DIDN'T CHANGE THESE NUMBERS AT ALL FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD INDICATED THEY WANTED LAST YEAR.
I'M KIND OF WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK.
BUT I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A LINE ITEM FOR LAKE SIDE OF STATE SIDEWALKS, WE JUST HAVE SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN, AND THEN IN THERE WE BUDGET THE MONEY, WE COME BACK AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SLOW DOWN THE BUDGET.
WE COME BACK AND THEN TELL STAFF, HERE'S WHERE WE WANNA SPEND X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AT.
WE WANT THIS MUCH IN LAKESIDE.
WE WANNA RUN SOMETHING DOWN 1660 WE WANT, THAT WON'T SLOW DOWN THE BUDGET AT ALL.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SUB PRIORITIZATION OF A PRIORITIZATION JUST LIKE I SHOWED YOU AND CLEARED UP MILLION INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW WE WERE AT 2.1.
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JUST LIKE I SHOWED YOU 6,000 OUT.SO JUST DO A GENERAL CATEGORY FOR 1 MILLION.
ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING T OH ONE TO HALF WELL, OR, OR, OR IT, WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND YOU JUST REMOVE T O SIX? IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I MEAN, EITHER, EITHER JUST ONE LINE ITEM, JUST REMOVE SIDEWALKS, WE'LL JUST HAVE THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AS A COUNCIL AND PRIORITIZE AND PRIORITIZE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SPEND A MILLION.
'CAUSE NO OFFENSE, BUT WE MAY ALL BE SITTING HERE SAYING, WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT LAKE SIDE OF STATES AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE BUILDS A MILLION DOLLARS IN SIDEWALKS SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE GO, WHAT HAPPENED? AND STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, YOU BUDGET A MILLION DOLLARS IN SIDEWALKS.
AND SO AS LONG AS WE'RE COMMITTED, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND PRIORITIZE WHERE THAT GOES.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT T SIX AND WE'LL JUST KEEP T ONE AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AT 1.1 OR GO TO A MILLION.
YOU GUYS OKAY? JUST A MILLION.
UH, I I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION ON THAT ONE.
SO THE COUNCIL IN ONE OF MY PREVIOUS C I P UPDATES WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED ME TO TRACK THE EXPENDITURES ON LAKESIDE BECAUSE THERE WAS A SET, A SET BUDGET AMOUNT THAT THE COUNCIL HAD DICTATED FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR GENERAL SIDEWALKS VERSUS LAKESIDE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS COUNCIL NOW CHANGING THAT, WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA TRACK LAKESIDE AS ITS OWN AND JUST DO ONE BIG BUCKET FOR GENERAL IS LEFT? WELL WE HAVE PHASE ONE AND PHASE I THINK WE NEEDED IT FOR PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO NOW THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE DONE AND NOW WE'RE TALKING PHASE THREE AND PHASE FOUR.
I THINK THEY JUST GO UNDER THE GENERAL WE GOT ENOUGH OF IT.
YEAH, LET MAYBE GET IN THE WEEDS, BUT I, I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK LINE ITEM AND THEN YOU HAVE SUB, YOU HAVE SUBTASK ON BUDGET SIDE USE ONE AND THEN YOU, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH WHICH, RIGHT.
COULD WE DO THAT WITH ALL OF THEM? WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS? AND MAYBE WE COULD HELP PRIORITIZE TO SAY, OH, I THINK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABLY NEEDS IT MORE THAN THIS.
AND THEN, AND I THINK WE ALREADY SAID WE'RE AWARE HALF A MILLION GOES INTO LAKESIDE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE UPDATING THE GOV THING, YOU SAY SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION, YOU HAVE A MILLION SUB BUDGET, 500,000 IS LAKESIDE AND THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 500,000 THAT'S GONNA GO TO OTHER SIDEWALKS.
SO MAYOR COUNCIL, HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA RECOMMEND.
I'M GONNA RECOMMEND WE KEEP T SIX AS IS SO WE CAN KEEP THE LAKESIDE C I P PROJECT COMPLETE.
YOU CREATE THE LINE ITEM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU MAKE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING IN LAKESIDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN THAT ONE, THE THE NEW ONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
COUNCIL WILL PRIORITIZE WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS WE'RE GONNA BUILD AND WE'LL BUILD AS MANY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WE CAN UNTIL WE'RE OUTTA MONEY THAT YEAR.
AND THEN WE WILL ACCOUNT FOR EACH OF THOSE IN UH, A BREAKOUT IN CLEAR GOV THAT WAY.
SO IT MAKES YOU SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT CO WE'RE NOT CO-MINGLING.
LAKESIDE IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED, IT'S ALREADY WORKING AND IT ALREADY HAS A TERMINUS.
SO THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE, OKAY, NOW WE WANT TO ADD IN WHATEVER SIDEWALKS, NADINE JOHNSON, WHATEVER.
THAT'S THE ONE YOU SAID SIDEWALK FOR THAT.
THAT'S IN A SUB ITEM OF T O ONE.
UH, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I DO LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM SAID BECAUSE I THINK IF WE PLAN THIS RIGHT, WE COME BACK AND WE HAVE A 10 YEAR BUILD SCHEDULE ON SIDEWALKS.
AND SO THEN WE CAN TELL A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS IS YOUR ITEM, YOU CAN TRACK IT ONLINE, IT'S SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN 2026.
AND SO THEN THEY CAN SEE THAT AND AT LEAST THEY HAVE HOPE THAT OKAY, THEY'VE NOW RECOGNIZED THE ISSUE, THEY'VE NOW SET TO BUDGET IT, IT COULD GET BUMPED UP, COULD GET BUMPED BACK.
BUT THEN BY HAVING THOSE SUBCATEGORIES LIKE THE MAYOR PROTO IS SAYING, THEN EACH YEAR A COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO DICTATE LIKE YEAH AND IT'S, I DON'T MIND KEEPING IT THIS WAY TO FINISH OUT THIS YEAR.
BUT THEN, YEAH, I THINK TO ONCE LAKESIDE CLARK'S POINT, ONCE YOU GET TO PHASE FOUR OR WHATEVER WE'RE IN, IN LAKESIDE THAT'S NOW FALLEN UNDERNEATH THIS NEW SIDEWALK LINE ITEM, MAYOR IN, IN CLEAR GOV OR I GUESS CITY MANAGER IN CLEAR GOV, CAN'T WE JUST CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS LIKE RECONSTRUCTION? WE HAVE A TON OF THOSE.
YEAH, THEY MAY HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT NUANCES BUT CONSOLIDATE THEM ALL INTO CLEAR GOV SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT AND THEN ONCE YOU DOUBLE CLICK INTO IT, YOU COULD SEE WHAT EACH ONE IS AND THEN PRIORITIZE IT THAT WAY.
UM, THE, WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR INDIVIDUALS C I P PROJECTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT SEPARATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES POTENTIALLY SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT CLEAR GOV DOES ALLOW YOU TO SEE THEM ALL.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO THE C I P PAGE, WHICH WE'RE NOT SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS A C I P PAGE AND IT'LL SAY TRANSPORTATION, YOU CLICK ON IT AND IT LISTS THEM ALL OUT IN THE ORDER THAT COUNCIL ESTABLISHES TODAY THE SIDEWALKS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A COMMITMENT TO EXPEND THIS MUCH CAPITAL EACH YEAR ON, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PHASE.
SO WE CAN BUILD OUT A SCHEDULE AS, AS BEING SUGGESTED TO SAY, HERE'S THE SCHEDULE OF WHERE WE'LL BE WHEN OR THE ORDER THAT
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WE'RE GOING IN ANYWAY, AT LEAST.AND THEN AS IT GETS FUNDED, THEN WE CAN ADD IT TO THE LIST.
BUT I CAN'T REALLY, I CAN'T REALLY JUST COMBINE ALL THE EXPANSIONS, ALL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, I DON'T THINK YET.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO GROUP THEM.
UH, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, I CAN'T HAVE THEM ALL IN ONE BIG BUCKET OF MONEY 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO TRACK THEM SEPARATELY FOR, FOR ACCOUNTING AND TIMELINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND IMPACT FEES FOR DEVELOPERS OFF OF THAT PARTICULAR ROAD OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, IS THERE, NOW I'M GONNA BRING UP THIS NEXT QUESTION.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH YOUR LIST.
UM, WE STILL HAVE, WE HAVE 700 K, WE'RE STILL 700 K, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS OVERCUT BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ONE DEPARTMENT OR ONE CATEGORY AND UM, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND BRING A PROJECT IN.
BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS START PROJECTS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN STOP 'EM.
BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT SOMEONE FEELS LIKE IT COULD, IT COULD BUMP BY YEAR ON JUST THE STREETS AND THE TRANSPORTATION AND DRAINAGE? SO I HAD A QUESTION ON THE EMORY FARMS ARCH.
SO I KNOW THAT WE COMPLETELY RETHOUGHT, WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGED OUR ENTIRE PLAN ON THAT.
INSTEAD OF DOING AN ARCH, WE'RE DOING THE REBUILD.
IS IS THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? YES.
UNDER THIS IT'S JUST YES, THAT NUMBER IS WHAT COMES THE CURRENT NAME.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY, IF I HAD TO GUESS, MAYBE 300 GRAND CAN BE SAVED THERE BECAUSE IN TALKING TO 'EM, I THINK THAT EMAI SENT YOU, THEY'RE OKAY WITH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE CITY, THE EMORY FARMS PEOPLE ARE OKAY WITH STOP PUTTING TWO STOP SIGNS UP ON EMORY FIELDS.
IS IT BOULEVARD AVENUE, EMORY FARMS, I FORGET WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE EAST, WEST ROAD IS, THEY DON'T EVEN WANT THE FULL REBUILD WE APPROVED.
AND WHAT DO YOU CALL THE RAISED, UH, THE RAISED HUMPS.
I THINK THE MILL WAS A COUPLE SPEED TABLES STOP SIGNS AND THEY WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AND AN, UH, ENFORCEMENT ON LIKE WITH OUR TRAFFIC, UH, UNIT, MORE ENFORCEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN IF THE CITY, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THE, THEN THEY'RE OKAY US SPENDING THREE, FOUR, 5 MILLION.
BUT THEY'RE PRETTY TIGHT WITH MONEY OVER THERE.
AND SO THEY DON'T WANNA SEE US, UM, SPENDING FOUR OR 5 MILLION.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY THINK WHAT IT NEEDS IS STOP SIGNS SPEED TABLES.
IT'S MAYOR, IT'S NOT THREE OR 4 MILLION.
IT, IT'S THE NUMBER THAT'S IN HERE.
THAT IS WHAT THE PLAN IS THAT THE COUNCIL CURRENTLY HAS ADOPTED AND DIRECTED STAFF TO.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU GUYS COULD DO THAT.
CHANGING, TAKING OUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND DOING ALL THOSE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT I CAN GET DONE FOR THREE 50 GRAND THAT, THAT WAS THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE THAT WAS WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
NO, YOU GUYS PRESENTED SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE ONE OR $2 MILLION, WASN'T IT? THAT'S, I COULDN'T REMEMBER.
YEAH, I I I THINK WE'RE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT A ROUNDABOUT, ADDING IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF CURRENT, WELL YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A PERSON A SURVEY FOR LESS THAN A QUARTER MILLION.
UM, MY ONE QUESTION WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING UP, IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS WE CAN WELL I WAS CURIOUS ON THE, THE LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION.
I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A THING.
MY QUESTION WAS WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR 2.8 MILLION THIS YEAR? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 79 AND AND 6 16 60 NORTH UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE'VE GOT LIMMER AND 1660 GOING UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE THIRD ROAD BETWEEN THOSE TWO WE'RE TALKING PUTTING UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHAT IS THE 2.8 MILLION? IS IT REALLY 2.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 24 OR IS IT YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF MILLION? WE DO THE FULL DESIGN OPTIONS AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FOR LIVE A GOOD POINT.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS IT'S NICE TO HAVE ALL THE PROJECTS, BUT IF WE DON'T STAGE 'EM RIGHT IN CONSTRUCTION, YOU COULD LITERALLY HAVE ONE WHOLE SECTION OF THE CITY IN GRIDLOCK BECAUSE WE'RE REBUILDING THE WHOLE CITY.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT THE ROAD NORTH OF LIVE OAK AND SOUTH OF LIVE OAK UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THEN PUT THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE? OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO SAY WE 100% PROMISE THIS IS GETTING DONE, IT'S MOVING TO THE END OF NEXT YEAR OR UM, OR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR IT'S, IT'LL BE DESIGNED AND IT'LL BE READY TO BREAK GROUND.
THE MINUTE LIMBER AND 1660S DONE, THE CREWS ARE GONNA DRIVE OVER AND START TEARING UP LIVE VOTE.
ONE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PUSH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR LIVE OAK OUT A YEAR FOR FISCAL YEAR, NOT CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THE DESIGN TO BE COMPLETE UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL ANYWAY, WHICH DOESN'T LEAVE A WHOLE LOT.
THAT'S WHY THE DOLLARS ARE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO FISCAL YEARS.
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GET CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY PROBABLY IN THE SUMMERTIME, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO START UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON LIVE OAK SPECIFICALLY.THAT SAID, WHAT I CAN'T DO IS, IS IS BE TOLD TO GO DO LIVE OAK AFTER WE'VE SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT AND WE DIDN'T SET THE I N S RATE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE HAVE THE TIMING OF THE BONDS, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATING MATTERS IF WE'RE NOT PLANNING A FUNDING SOURCE AND THEN I'M TOLD TO GO PIVOT AND DO START.
SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY PUSHING THE START OF THAT TO FISCAL YEAR 25 SIMPLY BECAUSE I I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE DESIGN UNTIL THE LATE SPRING, UH, OF NEXT YEAR ANYWAY.
IF YOU HAD TO WAG, WHAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION COST THAT'S PUSHING IF WE DO THAT? UH, WELL YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE IN INCREASED EVERY YEAR.
I'VE BEEN IN CENTRAL TEXAS COMING MEAN OUT OF THE TWO EIGHT, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS DESIGNED WE'RE GONNA SPEND AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS A CONSTRUCTION COST? THE DESIGN'S ALREADY, THE DESIGN'S ALREADY ENCUMBERED.
SO THAT'S, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ENCUMBERED, WHICH IS ALL 2.89.
AND SO IF WE MOVED IT, IT WOULD BE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS.
IF, IF, IF YOU MOVE IT AND WE, AND WE BID OUT CONSTRUCTION IN THE FALL INSTEAD OF THE SPRING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING TWO QUARTERS AT MOST A HALF A YEAR.
THAT'S THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT IF OKAY, TRY AGAIN.
IF THE DESIGN'S GONNA BE DONE IN APRIL, CORRECT.
AND WE SAY OKAY, BID IT IN JULY TO START CONSTRUCTION OCTOBER 1ST, THE BID'S GONNA TAKE 30, 45 DAYS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO NOW YOU'RE MID-SEPTEMBER AND SO YOU CAN START, YOU COULD START CONSTRUCTION HYPOTHETICALLY OCTOBER 1ST AND NEW FISCAL YEAR AND YOU'RE ONLY A TWO MONTH DELAY.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT MUCH IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AND COUNCIL KNOWS THAT THEY'RE GONNA FUND THE DEBT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, OTHERWISE I WON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA FUND THE DEBT UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
SO I WOULDN'T BE PUTTING IT OUT TO BID, YOU KNOW, EARLIER THAN THAT.
SO YOU HAVE COMMITTED RIGHT, RIGHT.
WELL WE'LL HAVE AN ELECTION IF WE'RE GONNA DO BOND ELECTION, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IN MAY.
SO WE'LL ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S ON THERE TO BE DONE.
SO I MEAN, AND IF NOT THE CAN'T NOVEMBER 'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE WRITING A WHOLE BUDGET FOR 46 MILLION NEXT YEAR WITH THAT IDEA.
SO DOES YOU ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM PUSHING THAT CONSTRUCTION TO AND THEN THERE WILL BE NO DEBATE 'CAUSE AND CAN YOU ALSO PUT A NOTE THAT WE WOULD PUT THAT ON THE BOND FOR MAY SO THE CITIZENS WOULD VOTE THAT THEY WANTED IT UPGRADED, THEN WE KNOW THEN WE FULLY PAY FOR IT.
AND IF THAT INCREASES THE I N S RATE, IT'S FINE BECAUSE WE HAVE VOTER APPROVED FOR THAT PROJECT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS CONFUSION OF THAT.
IT WAS PROMISED IN 2018, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ACTUALLY IN THE BOND LANGUAGE.
SO I WOULD SAY WE ACTUALLY PUT IN THE BOND LANGUAGE AND THEN IF IT FAILS WE COULD STILL DECIDE THE COUNCIL, HEY IT'S A STRATEGIC STREET SO WE WANT TO DO IT ANYWAYS.
UM, BUT AT LEAST UH, SO YEAH, SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, Y'ALL, Y'ALL BONDS WE HAVE FROM OCTOBER TILL WE HAVE TO MAKE THE BOND CALL TO DECIDE WHAT'S IN AND WHAT'S OUT.
JUST KNOW THAT IF WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS BEFORE WE HAVE FINISHED DESIGN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL COST WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ESTIMATING.
NO, BUT TO HIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT I'VE PUSHED FOR FOR BONDS IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO 50 MILLION IN BONDS, WE NEVER EVER DO AGAIN WHAT EVERYBODY DOES, WHICH IS 50 MILLION IN BONDS AND HERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROADS, IT GETS EVERYBODY EXCITED.
THEY VOTE FIVE YEARS LATER, HALF THE PEOPLE DISAPPOINTED 'CAUSE NOTHING GOT DONE.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO A BOND PACKAGE SAY, AND IT'S GONNA BE AN $8 MILLION ROAD, WE SHOULD COME OUT AND SAY IT'S NOT GONNA EXCEED 9 MILLION.
THERE'S A PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER HERE THAT SAID, WELL WE'D LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT I DON'T LIKE YOU TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY.
I JUST WANT THE ROAD BUILT I VOTED ON.
WHICH IS I THINK IS WHY WE DEBATE PARKS.
'CAUSE WE HAD LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION IN PROJECTS THROWN AT US THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET WITH 50 MILLION AND NOW THAT, NOW THAT THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, WE'RE STRUGGLING BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GONNA BE UNHAPPY.
BUT, SO THAT SHOULD PUT US 2 MILLION UP.
OTHER, LIKE IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN TAKE OFF? LIKE FOR ME, I WAS GONNA SAY, I I I MEAN I'M, I'M ON THE FENCE WITH FOR MOVING IT, BUT IF, IF IT'S ONLY GONNA DELAY IT POTENTIALLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS IT SOUNDS LIKE THEN I'D, I'D BE COMFORTABLE.
I MEAN I KNOW WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE CITIZENS TO GET THIS ROAD DONE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON BEST CASE SCENARIO, WE WOULDN'T START ON THIS THING UNTIL ALMOST THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR ANYWAY.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I'D, I'D BE, IF THAT'S AN ACCURATE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I HEARD, THEN I'D BE COMFORTABLE.
I I'M COMFORTABLE CERTAINLY RECOMMENDING THAT YOU MOVE IT TO FISCAL YEAR 25.
'CAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY WE END UP ABOUT THE SAME PLACE ANYWAY.
AND, AND I ALSO KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME IN AND OF ITSELF.
SO I MEAN WE HAVE TO PAY TO DO THAT OF COURSE.
BUT, SO I THINK YOU'RE OKAY MOVING THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF 25.
WE PRETTY MUCH END UP IN THE SAME PLACE.
BUT IF IT'S FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, THERE'S, WE HAVEN'T FACTORED IN A DELAY.
AND SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A DELAY BECAUSE IT JUST HAPPENS.
SO IF WE GO AHEAD AND JUST SAY NEXT YEAR THE BENEFIT THERE MAY BE A DELAY ANYWAY.
YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD START OCTOBER 1ST AND PEOPLE SAY HOLY COW, BUT
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IF WE DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE GONNA START IT NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND THEN AGAIN WE'RE RIGHT.WHAT ABOUT UM, T 20? IS ANYBODY, UM, REALLY BIG ON, WHERE'S THAT, UH, ONE OF OUR BRIDGES TO LOOK LIKE THEY WERE BUILT LIKE IN THE SOVIET ERA.
BUT WAIT, WHERE'S THAT? OH, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IN THE GREEN, BUT IT'S ONLY A QUARTER MILLION.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRESS UP IS, BUT TO ME A BRIDGE IS A BRIDGE AS LONG AS THE CAR GO OVER.
SO THIS IS THE BRIDGE THAT IS EFFECTIVELY YOUR, YOUR EAST WEST BORDER.
I'M SORRY, YEAH, YOUR EAST WEST BORDER WITH TAYLOR.
SO THE COUNTY'S GONNA BUILD A TRADITIONAL CONCRETE BRIDGE.
IT'LL BE THE ENTRANCE TO HU FROM, FROM THE TAYLOR SIDE.
SO GENERALLY, Y'ALL KNOW I CAME FROM KYLE, YOU'VE SEEN THE BRIDGES THAT WE BUILT IN KYLE OVER 35.
UM, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THAT BECAUSE WE, WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE THEM LIKE THAT.
BUT THIS WOULD BE INCLUDING THINGS THAT ARE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
SO YOU KNOW, CORTAN IRON, UM, SOME, SOME OF THE STAMPED CONCRETE, THAT SORT OF THING TO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS AN AESTHETIC ADD-ON.
UM, VERSUS IT BEING JUST THE STANDARD CONCRETE BRIDGE THAT WE ALL SEE WHENEVER WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, TO HU FROM THE EAST.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SOME OF THE COST WOULD BE SHARED BY TAYLOR.
'CAUSE TAYLOR WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, UH, CONTRIBUTING TO UPGRADE THE AESTHETICS AS WELL.
AND I DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH A GREEN BRIDGE WITH DUCKS ON IT.
SO, UH, I WANNA, I WANNA HAVE SOME SAY THAT'S THE THING IS THE COUNTY ALLOW FOR, SO WE PAY HALF A MILLION.
THE COUNTY'S ALLOWING PEOPLE LIKE PERSONALIZE THE BRIDGE OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA HAVE YEAH, IT'S IT'S PERSONALIZED TO AN EXTENT.
WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SUGGESTIONS.
I MEAN ASHLEY, I I THINK I'VE GOT THIS ABOUT RIGHT.
'CAUSE TAYLOR'S GONNA PUT IN, WE'RE MAKING SUGGESTIONS OF 50 ALSO.
SO IT'S HALF, IT'S A HALF, HALF MILLION TO THE, WE'RE MAKING SUGGESTIONS OF AESTHETIC UPGRADES, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE AT OUR SUGGESTION OR OUR REQUEST, THEN WE PICK UP THE COST OF THE AESTHETIC UPGRADE OVER THE STANDARD BRIDGE THAT IS JUST THE CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, BEAMS. SO, SO WHAT WAS THE UPGRADE? IT'S GONNA HAVE A STAMPED CONCRETE OR IT'S GONNA, LIKE GRAPEVINE HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRAPES ON IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE A MURAL ON IT OR IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY IDENTIFIED AND PLANNED YET.
SO WE'VE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO, IS IT H N T B THAT'S DOING THIS ONE? YES, WE'VE GIVEN OUR DESIRE FOR MATERIALS, UH, INSPIRATION CONCEPT, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO FUND IT NEXT YEAR.
SO WE HAVE ESTIMATED WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT OUR CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE TOWARD IT.
SO HIPPOS ON OUR SIDE, DUCKS ON THE TAYLOR SIDE.
YEAH, I'M CERTAINLY TRYING NOT TO DO THAT.
UNLESS IT'S THE HIPPO EATING A DUCK, THEN WHICH CASE I'M SIGNING OFF.
I'LL SIGN OFF ON THAT TOMORROW.
OKAY, SO IS THERE ANYTHING? YEAH, IF I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT, UM, WE'VE GOT ABOUT STARTING WITH T NINE, THERE'S LIKE 3 MILLION, THERE'S 4 MILLION, UH, 6.2.
WAIT, WHAT? UH, 10.2 13 SO FAR.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 15.2 MILLION THAT WE'VE PUSHED TO ANOTHER YEAR.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? 15.1 MAYOR 15.
CLOSE ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT WORK.
CAN, I GUESS, CAN WE CLARIFY ON, ON TWO, TWO ITEMS? SO T 19, 20 24 AND THEN T 12 20 23.
SO THERE'S A REPAIR AND A RECONSTRUCTION.
WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? DO WE WANNA REPAIR IT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, 2 25, 220 5,000? OR DO WE WANNA DIVE IN AND GET IT RECONSTRUCTED? ULTIMATELY? WELL, THE RECONSTRUCTION IS A MULTI-YEAR.
YEAH, SO I THINK, HERE'S WHAT I THINK OF THIS.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH, I GUESS, HOW WE WANNA ADDRESS, UM, COUNTY ROPE 1 99.
WELL, THE OTHER ONE'S THE CARRYOVER ENCUMBERED FUND THAT WE ALREADY PAID FOR FOR THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HITS THIS YEAR.
THAT'S WHY IT'S ZEROED OUT AT $0.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY PAID FOR IT FOR THIS YEAR.
WHERE'S THAT'S, WE'RE DOING IT 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'VE ALREADY PAID TO DO THAT FOR THIS YEAR.
AND THEN WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT SHE 12 PULLED OVER FROM 20 23 12.
SO THAT, THAT WILL BE DONE REPAIRED.
BUT I THOUGHT WE ALREADY PUT IN THE MONEY IN FISCAL YEAR 23 TO DO IT.
SO MAYOR COUNSEL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE 2023 C I P TO DATE, ALL WE'VE DONE IS PAY FOR THE GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE AS I SHARED AT MY LAST C I P UPDATE, MY EVALUATION OF THAT ROAD WAS THAT YOU HAVE BASE FAILURES.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I'VE EFFECTIVELY CARRIED THAT OVER INTO 2024 BECAUSE I, I DON'T HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON WHAT THEIR DESIRE IS.
I DO HAVE THE FINAL GEOTECH REPORT.
SO I, I PLAN ON SHARING THAT WITH THE COUNCIL SO YOU CAN SEE WHY I SUGGESTED WHY I WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
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ENTIRELY.IF YOU ARE RECONSTRUCTING IT BASED OFF OF THE CITY ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? HERE'S, HERE'S MY QUESTION ON THIS, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH LIVE OAK BEFORE T 12 IS IN SUCH A HORRIBLE STATE AND YOU STILL HAVE TO DESIGN, RIGHT? WE STILL HAVE TO DESIGN T 19, WHICH IS GONNA BE A SIX TO NINE MONTH PROCESS.
AND SO I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE THAT IT, TO ME, IT WOULD SEEM A GOOD USE OF MONEY IF YOU DO A TEMPORARY FIX AN OVERLAY KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER 12 TO 15 MONTHS.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE THE ROAD, JUST ONCE IT STARTS TO FAIL, IT JUST QUICKLY GOES.
I KNOW THAT IF YOU, YOU COULD SPEND 200 NOW AND BUY YOURSELF ANOTHER 18 MONTHS, YOU COULD SPEND NO MONEY AND THEN IN 12 MONTHS YOU'RE GOING, WELL NOW WE GOTTA SPEND 200 GRAND.
WE'RE GETTING THREE MONTHS USE OUT OF IT.
SO I PERSONALLY WOULD RATHER GO AHEAD AND SEE A TEMPORARY FIX TO 1 99 SO THAT WE CAN DESIGN IT, GET IT, GET IT BID.
UM, SO WE'LL KEEP BOTH OF THOSE ON.
SO THAT KEEPS US AT 11.9 MILLION UNFUNDED.
UM, SO IF WE USED, AND WE HAVE 14 MILLION IN ROAD BONDS, SO WE CAN FULLY COVER THE GAP WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS LISTED.
AND IT WOULD ADD ONE POINT WHAT, 1.05 PENNIES TO THE I N S RATE, UM, TO DO ALL THOSE OTHER ROAD PROJECTS.
SO, AND USING THE, THE CURRENT ROAD BOND MONEY THAT WE HAVE WITH LIKE AN EXTRA TWO AND A HALF MILLION AND LEFTOVER, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF AT, AT SOME POINT THAT WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY ASK BOND COUNCIL AND THE, THE C F O THAT IT MAY BE MAKES SENSE.
IF YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA KNOW YOU'RE GONNA SPEND 11.9, YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUT THE FULL 14.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND AND JUST EMPTY OUT THE FUND AND BE DONE.
SO, BUT, BUT ANYWAYS, THAT, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE ASSUMPTION WE WENT WITH, WHICH MAY LET, IF ONE OF THESE CO IS ON A COST OVERRUN, 'CAUSE THESE ARE ESTIMATES MM-HMM.
IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T LEAVE OUT JUST THE, BECAUSE OF COST OF ISSUANCE OF THE TO REISSUE BOND.
SO I THINK CAN, SO CAN WE CELEBRATE THAT TRANSPORTATION'S DONE? YAY.
I'M ASKING, I WAS ASKING COULD WE NO, WE'RE DONE.
MAYOR, HERE'S WHY I SAY MAYBE I FEEL LIKE, NO, BUT HOW WOULD THE, WE HAVE 15 MILLION MORE IN PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND SO WE WE'RE NOT DONE PRIORITIZING BECAUSE YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THAT AND WE STILL HAVE 9.3 MILLION IN BUILDING AND FACILITIES.
I SAID CAN WE CELEBRATE? WE'RE DONE WITH TRANSPORTATION.
I KNOW, BUT YOU MAY SAY WE REALLY WANT A POLICE STATION AND WE'D RATHER TRADE A POLICE STATION FOR IT.
'CAUSE IT GOES BACK TO THE INITIAL THING.
HOW MUCH CAN WE STOMACH TO SELL IN DEBT MM-HMM.
AND IF WE SAY WE CAN ONLY STOMACH, SAY 2 CENTS IN I N S, THEN WE CAN ONLY SPEND ONE PENNY 15 MILLION IN DEBT.
AND SO WHERE YOU GONNA SPEND A 15 MILLION? BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE 30% DONE.
SO I WOULD CLAP ON 30, BUT I WOULD BRING UP THAT I'M OKAY SELLING THE REST OF THE DEBT.
IF, IF WITHOUT STAFF, LIKE GOING THIS GUY HERE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE FACILITIES FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THEM PUSHED ONE YEAR.
BUT I THINK WE AS A COUNCIL SHOULD PICK ONE THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND START THE DESIGN PROCESS OF, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE TO DESIGN THREE FACILITIES.
WE'RE NOT, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD, IN MY MIND, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A LIBRARY, A POLICE STATION, A PUBLIC WORKS, ALL THREE OF 'EM THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO, AND A REC CENTER AT $80 MILLION.
I'M GONNA GO ON A RECORD AND SAY I WILL NEVER SUPPORT AN $80 MILLION REC CENTER, UH, IN IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO THE, ARE WE OFFICIALLY MOVING FROM TRANSPORTATION TO FACILITIES? IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.
SO WE, WE MAY COME BACK IF WE'VE GOTTA CUT SOMETHING.
SO THE, UM, DID YOU WANNA RECAP JUST REAL QUICK? DID, DO WE NEED TO RECAPTURE IT AGAIN? DO YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE LIST? WE'VE NUMBER, WE'VE GOT IT.
WE'RE EXCELLENT BUILDING FACILITIES.
SO THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HERE ALL CAME FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT, FROM THE COUNCIL INPUT AND FROM COUNCIL PRIORITIZATION.
COUNCIL IN YOUR STRATEGIC, UH, PLANNING SESSION IN MARCH, PRIORITIZE THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IS NUMBER ONE.
THE POLICE STATION IS NUMBER TWO, AND THE LIBRARY IS NUMBER THREE.
P N Z HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE STATION, BE PRIORITIZED OVER THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY.
OTHERWISE IT'S THE SAME THREE PROJECTS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL, LET'S START AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEND MONEY ON THE TRAIN DEPOT THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED TO BE AT LEAST TAKEN OUTTA C I P SO FROM US, TELL ME ABOUT THAT.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TRAIN DEPOT? SO THE DISTRICT HAS A BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA BE CONDEMNING IT WHEN, OR THEY HAVE TO EITHER DEMOLISH IT OR DO SOMETHING WHEN THEY DO THE, ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN HERE OFF OF NEAR FRITZ PARK.
SO THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, DO YOU WANNA BUY THE BUILDING THAT'S GOT ASBESTOS AND ALL THIS STUFF AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT? OR
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LET US GET RID OF IT.IT'S A BUILDING FROM THE FORTIES.
AND, AND SO HERE'S THE ONLY QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER IT'S SAFE OR NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING.
DO WE WANT IT TO BE ON THE C I P LIST? WE CAN STILL FUND THIS THROUGH GENERAL REVENUE.
WE CAN STILL FIND A A SOMEONE.
BUT DO WE AS A COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO KEEP IT ON THE C I P LIST FOR NEXT YEAR? NO.
SO FOR, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO FROM MY STANDPOINT ON H P C, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE H P C REALLY WANTS IT.
I KNOW THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT.
I HAVE NOT SEEN A CONCRETE PLAN FROM H P C ON WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH IT AND, AND THEN HOW THEY WOULD FUND IT, WHERE IT WOULD GO.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S IDEAS OF, YOU KNOW, GRANT MONEY PAYING FOR IT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, BUT I'VE NOT, I'VE NOT SEEN A CONCRETE PLAN OF LIKE WHAT TO DO WITH IT, WHERE TO GO.
AND THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES WHO ARE WILLING AND INTERESTED IN TAKING IT ON AND DOING IT WITHOUT TAXPAYER MONEY.
SO IT, SO IT COULD STILL BE PRESERVED.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I I, I'M, I'M FINE WITH TAKING IT OUT.
I THINK IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO STRESS IS, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING IT.
WE'RE JUST NOT PUTTING IT AS A C I P AND ALSO I THINK THAT NUMBER IS WAY LOW BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA NEED RE RETROFITS AND IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF TOO.
MAYOR COUNCIL, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT NUMBER THAT'S IN THERE, THAT WAS JUST TO RELOCATE THE BUILDING.
NOT TO APPROVE IT OR TURN IT INTO ANYTHING OR, YEAH, WE CAN TAKE IT OFF.
FROM THE, UH, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL.
WHAT IS A DESIGN? IT LOOKS LIKE THE LIBRARY MIGHT BE 125,000 TO 800 TO DESIGN.
IS IT 7 25? WHAT THAT COST TO DESIGN A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY APPROXIMATELY? SO THE WAY, THE WAY WE PUT THAT IN THERE IS ACTUALLY, UM, WE ANTICIPATED DOING A PROGRAMMING STUDY FOR EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT NEEDED TO GO IN THEM FIRST.
AND THEN ONCE WE DO THE PROGRAMMING, THEN WE NEED TO DO THE FEASIBILITY AND DETERMINE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET LAND, WHERE THEY FIT WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEN WE HAVE TO DESIGN THEM.
SO WHAT'S A PROGRAM STUDY? UH, IN GEN? IF YOU HAD A, JUST A, A SWAG, WHAT'S THE PROGRAM STUDY COST FOR A BUILDING? UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE COMPLEXITY FOR THE PD, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE COMPLICATED THAN FOR LIKE, PUBLIC WORKS FOR PD.
IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD GUESS PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO IF WE, SO IF WE AGREE TO SAY $300,000 TOWARDS A STUDY, UH, UH, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THE PROGRAMMING, WE CAN THEN COME BACK, UH, RIGHT UP TO THE BUDGET, DECIDE AS A COUNCIL, WHICH ONE OF THE THREE WE'RE GONNA STUDY, BUT THEN WE CAN STUDY ONE FOR NEXT YEAR.
300,000 WOULD COVER ALL OF THEM.
SO WHAT'S THE 5.3 INCLUDE ON THE POLICE? SO FIVE THREE BUDGETED.
THAT WOULD BE FOR WHAT? SO THE 5.3 INCLUDES THE PROGRAMMING, FEASIBILITY, LAND ACQUISITION, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE IT'S GONNA GO YET.
OR AT LEAST I WASN'T WHEN I PUT THIS IN HERE.
AND SO I ASSUME THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BUY A CHUNK OF LAND AND THEN DO ALL THE DESIGN AND, UM, AND THEN THAT, THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT PHASES.
BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GOING OUT AND BUYING A BIG PIECE OF LAND.
WELL, FORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE LAND THAT WE HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE IN CITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ACCURATE BUDGETING ITEM ON THAT, BUT IT'S UNDEVELOPED LAND.
WELL, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE IN SOME INFRASTRUCTURE, SAY, IN ORDER TO GET THERE.
BUT I WOULD SAY E D C OWES THE CITY MONEY.
AND IF THE CITY WERE TO USE LAND, E D C OWNED, MY GUESS IS MONEY THAT ANN'S KEEPING ON THE BOOKS SAYS CASH IN A BANK FOR THE CITY IS GONNA, LIKE, IF THE E D C SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THE POLICE STATION LAND FOR A MILLION DOLLARS IS STILL GONNA COST US A MILLION FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST MOVING THIS OUT, MOVING THE POLICE OUT ONE YEAR BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO DO RIGHT NOW IS GO TO THE COUNTY AND TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THE COUNTY SERVICES THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT JUSTICE CENTER AND WHAT THEY THINK.
'CAUSE AS THE COUNTY GROWS, WE DON'T HAVE COUNTY SERVICES IN HUDU REALLY AT THIS POINT.
AND AS THEY GROW AND MAYBE THEY WANT TO ADD A, A JUSTICE TO THE PIECE OR WHATEVER DOWN THE ROAD, I'D LIKE THEM TO ADD THAT IN HUDU AND PUT IT IN A JUSTICE CENTER AND HAVE A COMBINED FACILITY WHERE WE HAVE MAY, MAYBE SOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME CONSTABLES STATIONED OUT OF THERE OR WHATEVER MAY MAYBE A COURT, YOU KNOW, COURT FACILITIES, OTHER COUNTY FACILITIES.
SO I'D LIKE US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT A COMBINED CENTER AND BRING THE COUNTY IN ON THE PROJECT AND HAVE OUR, HAVE OUR PLANNING.
THEN WHEN WE GO OUT TO ACTUALLY PLAN THE FEASIBILITY AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE BRINGING THE COUNTY IN.
AND WE'RE DOING THAT AS A COMBINED POTENTIAL COMBINED PROJECT.
IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED, THEY TELL US TO GO AWAY OR THEY TELL US TO GO AWAY AND WE JUST DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT, AND I, I'D LIKE US TO, TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD OF PARTNERSHIP AND, AND TRY AND MAKE IT A BROADER FACILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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AND ALSO THE, WE JUST SAW WE'RE HAVING A $350,000 FOR THIS YEAR FOR DISPATCH FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, 9 1 1.UM, AT SOME POINT THAT NUMBER'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND AT SOME POINT DO YOU SAY, WELL, IF IT ONLY ADDS INCREMENTAL COST TO THE FACILITY, THAT THEN WE BRING IT IN-HOUSE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACTS AND THERE'S, HOW DO YOU INTERACT 9 1 1 CALLS FOR POLICE VERSUS FIRE, WHICH ISN'T A CITY SERVICE.
SO THERE'S COMPLEXITY TO THAT TOO.
THAT TAKES TIME TO WORK THROUGH.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SEE LIKE THIS, THIS UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE STICKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS THEN, UH, PD, PUSHING THAT OUT ONE YEAR AND THEN OF COURSE LIBRARY.
BUT, BUT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I DO THINK WE NEED TO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HAVE DESIGN, UH, FOR THOSE THREE UP THROUGH, THROUGH DESIGN SO WE COULD GET ESTIMATED COSTS.
SO WE CAN GO OUT FOR A BOND AND SAY, CITIZENS, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST FOR THIS.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD STA LIKE STAGGERED THOUGH.
SHOULDN'T BE LIKE, I MEAN, THEN IT'S GONNA BE A LARGE BOND.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A WELL, HERE'S WHAT I 200 MILLION, 300.
LIKE, WE GOTTA BE STRAIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE STRAIGHT WITH THE EMPLOYEES.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK ONE AND SAY EXACTLY.
SOMEONE'S GETTING NEW FACILITIES IN THREE YEARS MM-HMM.
AND I WOULD SAY WHAT, WE COULD DEBATE IT LATER, BUT THEN SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO KNOW THAT IF, UH, I FORGET HIS NAME, DANG IT.
THE GUY THAT SPOKE ABOUT THE, UM, LIBRARY.
IF TREATING EVERYBODY NEW, THE LIBRARY IS ON THE LIST EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING MM-HMM.
SO I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE IT JUST SAY $300,000 NEXT YEAR WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE STUDY WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF DO.
AND THEN KNOWING THAT IN 25 AND 26, WE'LL LOOK AT THE DESIGN MAYBE IN 25 OF THAT FACILITY, THE BILLING OF IT IN 26 AND 27.
IN 27, MAYBE WE'RE STARTING THE, THE STUDY OF THE NEXT FACILITY, OR MAYBE 26 IS THIS IS A, THE NEXT BUILDING STUDY, 27 IS THE DESIGN OF IT.
THAT WAY WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING FORWARD, BUT WE'RE TAKING A A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, $124 MILLION DEAL.
AND WE'RE DIVIDED AMONG, UNFORTUNATELY 10 YEARS.
DOES PUBLIC WORKS, DO THEY HAVE A FACILITY RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
OR THEY SHARE IT? WHAT DO THEY WELL IT, YES.
PUBLIC WORKS HAS A FACILITY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT.
UM, IT IS, IT IS VERY MUCH UNDER UTILIZED.
IT, IT DOESN'T MEET OUR NEEDS BY, BY EVEN NEAR.
WE'LL TAKE YOU ON A TOUR SO YOU CAN SEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT JUST PROMMING THE PUMP, YOU KNOW WHERE THE PD IS.
AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT JUST YET IS THE PARKS FACILITY AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE PARKS FACILITY IS, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE BUILDING THAT'S OUT AT FRITZ.
SO THAT'S OUR MAIN FACILITIES AS IT STANDS TODAY.
BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T SEEN PUBLIC WORKS, WE, WE, YOU SHOULD GO SEE PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'LL TAKE YOU OUT THERE SO YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU GET TO SEE 1 99.
ALL THE POTHOLES WE'RE GONNA START FILLING, BUT NO ONE EVER SPEEDS ON THAT ROAD.
I THINK WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT, YOU'LL SEE WHY THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, CALMING TRAFFIC EXACTLY AS WE INTEND.
SO THREE
SO THAT'S LIKE $3 MILLION THAT WE CAN KNOCK OFF.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE, I'M SORRY, WHERE WAS IT? I'M SORRY.
THERE, THERE'S F FO FOUR, THERE'S LIBRARY AND THEN RIGHT UNDER IT IS STAFF NEEDED TO MAINTAIN LIBRARY.
OH NO, THAT'S, AND THAT'S ACCIDENTAL.
AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN THERE'S TWO MORE STAFF NEEDED FOR REC CENTER STAFF NEEDED FOR REC CENTER WITH, CAN WE JUST SAY ANYTHING BELOW THE LIBRARY? SO THOSE JUST, THOSE JUST GET TOTALLY DELETED.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 3 MILLION OFF OF THERE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
DELETE THOSE OUT FOR YOUR NUMBERS BECAUSE K AND L ON THE SHEET I'M LOOKING AT HAS ESTIMATED O AND M ESTIMATED STAFFING.
THOSE ARE YOUR RECURRING EXPENSES THAT TIED, THOSE SHOULDN'T BE LISTED IN THE CAPITAL.
IT'S JUST A MISTAKE ON OUR PART.
WELL, AND THE, THE O AND M WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE ON THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE THE LIBRARY DOESN'T INCLUDE ENOUGH FOR THAT STAFF.
THE STAFFING NEEDS TO MOVE MOVED.
NO, THE STAFFING IS THE, THE STAFFING IS THE ESTIMATED STAFFING COLUMN.
COLUMN L UH, THE ESTIMATED OM THE ELECTRICITY IS THE COST FOR ELECTRICITY JANITORIAL.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP THEN.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH NEXT YEAR'S A STUDY WITH A PLAN TO DESIGN THAT STUDY IN 25 WITH THE FUNDING IN 26, BUT THEN IN, IN 26, A STUDY, LIKE I WAS SAYING FOR THE NEXT'S, PUSHING IT OUT TOO FAR, IT'S JUST, I WAS THINKING WE DO THE STUDY TO LOOK AT THE THREE FOR WHICH ONE WE NEED AND THE DESIGN OF THAT, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
HOW LONG IS THE STUDY GONNA TAKE? THE STUDY'S
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NOT TO SEE WHICH ONE YOU NEED.SO WHO, WHAT, WHICH ONE DO WE WANNA GO? I THINK THAT'S WHY I SAID WE JUST PUT THE NUMBER IN AND WE'LL DEBATE IT LIKE IN A MONTH OR TWO.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE'LL STUDY ONE, BUT WE'LL COME BACK AND DECIDE WHICH ONE.
NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS I DON'T THINK YOU JUST STUDY ONE.
'CAUSE A STUDY IF IT TAKES THREE MONTHS FOR THE STUDY, SO 'CAUSE YOU HAD THAT YOU WERE GONNA START DESIGN FOR AT LEAST ONE OF'EM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, WE SPEND 900,000 FOR THREE STUDIES.
I'M SAYING YOU DO ONE STUDY AND WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH, WHAT WE THINK THE, THE INITIAL FIRST, LIKE IF IT'S GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS AND YOU GO AND WE COULD START DESIGN FOR THAT ONE AS WELL.
SO LIKE YOU DO THE DESIGN AND THE STUDY FOR ONE.
BUT HE DIDN'T SAY, HE DIDN'T SAY DESIGN.
HE SAID DESIGN THE NEXT DESIGN THE NEXT YEAR.
IF WE CAN SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GET US GOING FOR A STUDY, THE START OF A DESIGN NEXT YEAR ON A FACILITY FOR US TO DECIDE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO.
MAYOR, I WOULD ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, JUST SO Y'ALL CLEAR.
USUALLY, UH, FACILITY STUDIES ARE DONE FOR THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SURE HOW BIG THE OFFICE SPACE NEEDS TO BE, HOW BIG THE FLOOR PLAN NEEDS TO BE.
SO THAT'S USUALLY GONNA BE YOUR PUBLIC WORKS.
I MEAN, NOT YOUR PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S USUALLY GONNA BE YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR LIBRARY, YOUR REC CENTERS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
THOSE ARE WHAT WE NEED STUDIES DONE FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
YOU DON'T REALLY NEED A STUDY.
WE JUST SAY WE NEED 10, WE NEED 10 BAYS, WE NEED 10 OFFICES AND YOU GO DESIGN IT FOR US.
BUT THOSE OTHER ONES YOU DO, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT, OKAY, HOW MANY DETECTIVES DO YOU HAVE? BLAH BLAH, BLAH.
YOU KNOW, THIS MUCH OFFICE SPACE, THIS MUCH BREAK ROOM SPACE.
IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE WHEN Y'ALL DID CITY.
SO WE WANNA DO PUBLIC WORKS NUMBER ONE.
AND WE COULD JUST FUND, UH, A DESIGN.
WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO DESIGN ON THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? IF WE WANT IT TO BE, DO A STUDY, TWO STUDY OF THE BIG PROJECT, I WOULD SAY THEN GO STRAIGHT TO DESIGN FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN DO THE STUDY FOR THE POLICE STATION SLASH JUSTICE CENTER.
PRIORITIZE PUBLIC WORKS AS ONE.
WE DO, SINCE SHE SAID PUBLIC WORKS CAN BASICALLY JUST GO TO DESIGN.
WE, I MEAN NOW WE DO DESIGN FOR PUBLIC WORKS THIS YEAR AND THEN WE DO STUDY FOR THE POLICE STATION JUSTICE CENTER THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE STILL DOING ONE DESIGN, ONE STUDY, BUT IT'S ON TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
AND 7 25 IS ESTIMATED DESIGN FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
THE DESIGN FOR PUBLIC WORKS IS GONNA BE 10% OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LIKE USUAL.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO BID THAT OUT TO A PRIVATE COMPANY AND GET IT DOWN TO LIKE 5%
WE, IF I, IF I'M A, IF I'M AN ENGINEER AND I THINK MY BILL FOR DESIGNING IS 10% OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE A VERY HIGH CONSTRUCTED COST BUILDING BECAUSE THEN I CAN COME BACK AFTER THE PICTURES AND GO, IT'S JUST 10% OF THE COST.
AND I THINK WHAT WE, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU DO THIS.
HOW DO YOU BID A PROJECT OUT? DESIGN A BUILDING REGARDLESS OF THE COST.
WHAT DOES IT COST A DESIGN? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT EXTRA BRICK ON IT OR, UH, STONE ACCENTS.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE THE DESIGN EXPONENTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE? SO, UH, IT'S A DEBATE FOR LATER, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NUMBER TO PUT IN FOR DESIGNING THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS? WHAT DO WE SWAG THE, WE HAVE THE SWAG OF 7 25 FOR, SO THAT'D BE A SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING.
THAT'S PROB THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT RIGHT.
BUT IF WE DO A MILLION, IF WE DO A MILLION, THAT GETS YOU POTENTIALLY THE DESIGN AND A STUDY FOR A POLICE STATION.
IS THERE ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO SIR.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS A PROBLEM IF WE ADD ONTO THIS LIST BECAUSE WE'RE PLANNING OUT INTO THE FUTURE SOME SORT OF PARKS FACILITY.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE OPERATING OUT OF A, A DOUBLE WIDE.
YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD PUT IT ON THE LIST FOR, I MEAN IT'S NOT GONNA BE UNTIL LIKE 2028, BUT AT LEAST SOMEONE IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT CAN GO ONE DAY.
I'M GONNA HAVE AN OFFICE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR REC SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER BE IN ONE BUILDING.
SO NOW COMING BACK FROM THAT DEBT SERVICE THING, WE WE'RE NOW AT 13 MILLION WE WE'RE ADDING IN, RIGHT? YES.
BUT YOU CAN'T USE THIS DESIGN STUFF FROM THE 14 FOR THE ROAD.
I I'M NOT, I'M JUST TALKING FROM A, BECAUSE IF WE SPEND A MILLION, WE, IF WE DO THIS OUTTA GENERAL REVENUE, WE SPEND A MILLION HERE, THEN THAT'S A MILLION LESS FROM A TAX STANDPOINT.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL MONEY, RIGHT? SO, RIGHT.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT POCKET IT COMES OUT OF OTHER THAN THE THE PERSON ON THE STREET'S POCKET.
UH, SO THESE IS THE PARKS AND REC WITH THESE PROJECTS IS, I KNOW IT, WE HAVE WHAT, ROUGHLY 2 MILLION, LET'S SAY IN
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IN PARK IMPROVEMENT FUNDS BECAUSE WE HAD THREE POINT SOMETHING, BUT WE JUST BASICALLY SPENT A MILLION AND A HALF TO DESIGN FRITZ.SO ROUGHLY WE GOT ABOUT 2 MILLION.
SO OUTTA 5 MILLION IN PROJECTS FOR THIS YEAR.
YOU HAVE 6.8 GOING FOR THE PARK NEXT YEAR TO FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? ARE WE MOVING ON TO PARKS? ARE WE DONE WITH FACILITIES? OH YEAH.
SO, SO FOR THE FACILITY, SO IT'S THE, THE FIRST LINE THERE IS DROPPED TO 300 K FROM 5.3 MILLION, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN PUBLIC WORK FACILITY THAT, THAT WAS ABOUT RIGHT.
AND THEN WE WEREN'T GONNA DO A LIBRARY STUDY.
YEAH, EVERYTHING ELSE GETS BUMPED TO YEAR.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A FEASIBILITY FOR A PARKS JUST TO ADD A PARKS LINE.
WELL OUR SHEET OR AS WITH COUNCIL ON THE O FIVE NUMBER ON THE OH FIVE NUMBER.
IT'S REC COMMUNITY CENTER WITH HOUSING PARKS IN IT.
THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS NO, I LIKE THAT.
JUST ADD THE WORDS BUT LEAVE THE 1 75 THERE OR WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND IT THIS YEAR.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND IT.
WHATEVER THEY SAY FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO MOVE IT OUT AND THEN CHANGE THE LINE.
YEAH, UNTIL, I MEAN, UNTIL WE GET TO OUR TAX RATES AND STUFF, I MEAN, SOMETHING MIGHT GET, BE ABLE TO BE MOVED BACK.
SHALL WE CLAP? ANOTHER ONE? DONE.
HERE'S WHAT I LIKE TO ASK Y'ALL ON THE WHY.
THE ONLY THING I'VE BEEN, AND I WAS TELLING THIS TO, I FORGET EITHER COUNCIL MAYOR KOHLER OR MAYOR PROAM GORDON, I DON'T THINK THAT Y M C A SHOULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF GENERAL REVENUE, QUITE HONESTLY, OR EVEN, UM, PARKS FUNDS, WHETHER YOU CAN OR CAN'T.
WHAT I THINK WE NEED AS A COUNCIL IS TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT IF WE CAN PARTNER WITH THEM TO EXPAND OUR FACILITY, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS IF, IF SOMEONE, IF THERE'S A CAPITAL RAISE OUTSIDE OF TAXES THAT RAISES HALF THE COST OF THE UPGRADES AND THE Y IS DOING THEIR PART AND THEY PAY THE OTHER HALF, THEN IF IT COSTS NOTHING TO THE CITIZENS AND THEY'RE WILLING TO, AND THE Y OR WHOEVER MANAGES THAT FACILITY IS WILLING TO FUND THE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF IT FUND THE SUPPLIES AND THE STAFFING.
ALL I'M LOOKING FOR TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT OF THIS LIST HERE IN TERMS OF COST TO US, IS THE COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH DOING THAT.
BUT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS IT TO, IT 100% HAS TO BE RUN A POOL HAS TO BE RUN BY THE CITY, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHEN WE'RE GONNA START PAYING FOR IT.
BUT IF WE'RE OKAY WITH SOMEONE ELSE PAYING FOR IT AND THEIR NAME LIKE CHASCO, Y M C A AND THEY PAY FOR THAT, THEN I THINK WE PUT IT ON THE LIST WITH AN ASTERISK OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THIS THING COULD GET BUMPED UP TOMORROW IF SOMEONE PAYS FOR IT.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T, IT MAY BE EIGHT YEARS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ROUGHLY WHAT WAS IT US ON THAT TOO, OR WAS THAT KOHLER CUSTOMER? LAR I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU MAY HAVE TALKED TO BOTH OF US, BUT THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW NOBODY CAN FUNDRAISE ANY MONEY.
THE Y M C A, NO ONE CAN FUNDRAISE ANYTHING UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES WE WANNA HAVE A POOL AND AN UPGRADE.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT MONEY CAN ALL BE TAKEN.
THAT 200,000 CAN BE TAKEN OUTTA HERE IN MY MIND, AS LONG AS WE'RE OKAY AND WE AGREE THAT SOMEONE WHO RAISES THE MONEY, UM, WE'RE OKAY THAT HAPPENING ON CITY LAND.
'CAUSE IT'S CITY LAND AND THE Y M C A CAN BE, WE 30 DAY NOTICE CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE, I WAS TELLING THE MAYOR PRO TEAM, WE SET THE RATES ON THE POOL SO WE CAN SAY IT'S FREE.
WE CAN SAY IT COSTS $85 A VISIT.
UM, WE JUST HAVE NO MAINTENANCE, NO STAFFING, NO COST TO THE CITY.
UM, ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING FORWARD IF SOMEONE ELSE PAYS FOR IT? SO, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT, RIGHT? ONE, ONE IS I HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN WITH WHERE YOU PARK PEOPLE BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING A LOT OF, A LOT OF CAPACITY TO THAT BUILDING.
AND A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IN THERE AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT THEM.
AND YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU CAN'T PARK AT ACADEMY NEXT DOOR BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY WEEKEND DAYS AND SO'S THE POOL.
I MEAN, IT, IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM THERE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
AND THEN POINT NUMBER TWO IS WE HEAR THAT, OH, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET THE RATE FOR THE CITY.
WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE Y ABOUT WHAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC AND HOW THOSE RATES WILL BE SET AND WHAT THE AVAILABILITY WILL BE OF THE MEETING ROOM AND ALL OF THAT.
I WANT THEM TO ACTUALLY PUT THAT ON PAPER AND SIGN OFF THAT IF WE DO THIS, THAT THAT'S
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WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF IT.I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BUILT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WELL IT COSTS MORE TO OPERATE IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHARGE THE CITY PEOPLE MORE MONEY TO, TO USE IT.
UH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T DO ANYTHING ON A HANDSHAKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ANYBODY.
UM, BUT YEAH, NO, SO IF IT'S IN WRITING AND I THINK, UM, ASHLEY'S DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THE PARKING RATIOS AND ALL THAT, AND YOU CAN'T PARK AT ACADEMY WITHOUT A PARKING EASEMENT.
AND I THINK IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PARKED CORRECTLY.
AND IF THEY NEED MORE PARKING, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE AS A CITY SAY, AS LONG AS IT'S PERMITTED CORRECTLY, IT FOLLOWS, YOU KNOW, THE U D C I DON'T THINK ANYBODY GETS A SPECIAL THING.
UM, HAVING ON DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM TO WHERE I DON'T, I LOOKED AT THE Y M C, THE PRESENTATION THEY SENT US, UM, TO GET US CAUGHT UP FROM, YOU KNOW, 2019 WHEN WE BEGAN.
IS THERE A LIST LIKE, UM, THORNTON IS THERE, HAVE THEY SAID THEY WANT MORE PARKING? LIKE, OR HAVE THEY MADE ANY REQUESTS OR? WELL, WHEN THEY CAME TO COUNCIL IN 2022 THAT WAS ASKED AND THE, THE ANSWERS WERE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENTS NEXT DOOR AND SO YOU CAN OVERFLOW.
AND IT WAS, OH, THE POOL'S NOT GONNA BE BUSY AT THE SAME TIME AS THE Y FACILITY.
DON'T, SO NOTHING'S BEEN ASKED.
I DON'T, THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY DONE.
STU NO AN NO ANSWER HAS COME BACK OF HOW YOU ADD PARKING.
AND, AND ADDING ACADEMY AND EVO HAS ONLY MADE THAT WORSE.
SO WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET A STUDY AND, AND SEE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY MY THOUGHT WAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT AREA, BECAUSE THE NEXT DOOR IS NOW OWNED BY ACADEMY, YOU KNOW, IS THIS, DOES THIS, IS THIS FACILITY NOT GOING TO GROW AND YOU GO BUILD A LARGER FACILITY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY CENTER.
SO I MEAN THAT'S, AND MAYBE YOU BRING THE Y INTO MANAGE ANOTHER FACILITY TOO.
IT'S A, IT'S A, DOES THE FACILITY FIT AND IS THAT, AND IS IT GONNA WORK THERE? YEAH.
THAT'S BEEN MY CONCERN ALL ALONG IS, IS THERE ROOM TO GROW? DO WE WANNA SINK $7 MILLION INTO A FACILITY THAT JUST IS LANDLOCKED AND STUCK AND THERE'S NO PARKING AND YOU CAN'T EXPAND? OR DO WE TAKE THAT MONEY AND WE INVEST IT LONG TERM SOME SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY CAN EXPAND AND THEN GO TO THE Y AND YOU KNOW, I THINK GEORGETOWN, THEY, THEY GOT A MILLION, MAYBE 2 MILLION FROM A DONOR THAT SAID WE WANT A Y IN GEORGETOWN.
SO HERE'S A COUPLE MILLION CHACO PLAY.
MATSON CHASCO GAVE A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE ROUND ROCK ONE.
SO IF WE DIDN'T SINK 7 MILLION IN AND SOMEONE CAME UP AND SAID, WE'D LIKE TO EXPAND IT, SHOW US THE MONEY, BUT NO ONE, BUT, BUT SEE, NO ONE'S WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE MONEY UNTIL THE CITY COMMITS TO, IF YOU CAN DO THIS, LIKE, I I AGREE.
IT'LL BE OVER CAPACITY VERY QUICKLY.
BUT WHAT COMES FIRST, A CHICKEN OR THE EGG.
AND SO I'M PROPOSING WE DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY, BUT WE AT SOME POINT HAVE A VOTE, A RESOLUTION THAT IF YOU COME UP WITH A WAY TO FUND THIS AND THERE'S PRIVATE PEOPLE THAT'LL MATCH THIS MONEY FROM THE Y DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, WHATEVER, THEN IT CAN BE DONE.
BUT IF WE JUST SAY, WELL WAIT FOR A BIGGER FACILITY THAT'S LIKE ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX YEARS AWAY BECAUSE THE FACILITY WE HAVE ON HERE IS $80 MILLION.
WELL, SO IF WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, WHICH I WOULD AGREE WITH, 40 MILLION IS NOT 80, WE'RE NOT GONNA SINK ANY MONEY.
BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES FISCAL AND SAYS, WE'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT EXPANSION.
EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE IT'S LANDLOCKED, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE COMES AND SAYS, YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL FUND THE WHOLE THING.
WE'LL, TO GET US BY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT AN OUTDOOR POOL.
WE'LL DO THIS STUFF, WE'RE GONNA FUND IT.
WELL, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONATING THE MONEY WITH STRINGS ATTACHED.
THEY WANT THAT MONEY DONATED FOR A PURPOSE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE COULD TURN AROUND AND AND BE LIKE, HEY, LET'S GO GET PARKS.
A NEW BUILDING, NEW BUILDING WITH THAT OR SOMETHING.
AND MY BIG, LIKE LITERALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONATING WITH, YOU KNOW, AN EXPECTATION.
IF MONEY IS GONNA COME TO THE CITY, THEN, BECAUSE TO ME IT'S CITY LAND.
WHEN PEOPLE DONATE THE MONEY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND IT'S NO COST TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF TAXES AND DEBT, BUT YOU NOW HAVE AN ASSET ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU OWN.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU HAD A A TWO ACRE SPOT IN DOWNTOWN AND SOMEONE SAID, I WANNA PARK A COUPLE OF FOOD TRUCKS, I WANNA BUILD A, BUILD THIS A BATHROOM AND DO ALL THESE THINGS, YOU COULD LOOK BACK AT THAT AND GO, THAT'S, THAT'S NO COST TO ME.
IF YOU GUYS LEAVE, I STILL HAVE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO MY ONE THING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ABOUT THE, THE WHY THING BEFORE WE GET OFF IS I JUST, I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO SINK SO MUCH MONEY FOR AN OUTDOOR ONLY FACILITY THAT YOU CAN ONLY USE LIKE FOUR MONTHS.
UM, WHERE I ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE IT AS AN INDOOR OUTDOOR, LIKE THE CLAY MADISON, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY OPEN UP THE SIDES.
THEY HAVE MASTER SWIM PROGRAMS THAT PAY MONEY THERE.
THE ISDS ALSO USE IT AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUNDING OF THE Y TO USE THAT FACILITY TO RENT OUT THE LANES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO, NOT JUST IN OUTDOOR PLAY SPACE, BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THERE ARE LOTS OF COMMUNITY POOLS IN HUDU, LIKE IN A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T LIKE MINE DOESN'T.
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ARE.BUT ALL OF THEM CAN ONLY BE USED IN THE SUMMER.
UM, SO IF WE HAD, BESIDES JUST THE TWO LANES IN THE Y FOR YEAR-ROUND USE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH, IT WOULD GET MUCH BETTER USE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT THAT'S JUST KINDA MY OPINION.
BUT YOU'RE OKAY IF WE DON'T SPEND MONEY SOMEONE ELSE? YES.
I MEAN, IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO DO IT HER NAME ON POOL I'D, I'D FEEL BETTER IF WE LOOKED AT, IF WE HAD THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING SOME OF THE LAND IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE BUILDING AND YOU COULD THROW PARKING OUT THERE AND THEN YOU COULD, YOU COULD PARK THE POOL PEOPLE NORTH AND YOU COULD UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS DRAINAGE.
I WASN'T, I WASN'T SURE WHY THAT WAS NOT THOUGHT THAT WAS OKAY THEN THAT'S, THEN THAT'S THEN, THEN WE REALLY ARE LOCKED IN.
SO THAT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WITH AVERY, I HAD TO REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS GONNA BE SOCCER FIELDS AT ONE POINT.
SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T THINK WE OWN THE LAND ON ALL.
THE NEXT BIG TICKET ITEMS. BUT THEN YOU MAKE SIZE FACILITY.
AND CALL ME NAIVE $260,000 FOR STAFF TO MAINTAIN THE IMPROVEMENTS AT FRITZ PARK.
FROM WHAT I SAW, I MEAN $260,000, WHAT IS THAT LIKE FOUR EMPLOYEES? YEAH, IT'S FOUR EMPLOYEES YEAR.
BUT WHY IS YEAR, IT WOULD TAKE FOUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES EVERY YEAR WORKING 160 HOURS A WEEK TO MAINTAIN ONE PARK.
A A, A PARK OF THE SIZE AND THE STATURE THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON THERE.
I WOULD ALMOST SAY ENTIRELY YES.
BUT THAT SAID, JUST BECAUSE WE DO FRITZ PARK, WHAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN, THERE ARE ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE THINK IT WON'T BE UNTIL WE GET THE MAINTENANCE MANUAL THAT COMES WITH CONSTRUCTION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE.
BUT, UM, I, I PARK THAT SIZE WITH SPLASH PADS THAT ARE BEING RAN.
UM, THE, UH, THE WATER FEATURES, THE EVENT PLANNING THAT GOES ON THERE, THE BATHROOMS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED TO MAINTAIN THE MOWING AND ALL THOSE OTHER TYPES OF THINGS, I GUESS IS BEING DONE, UM, BY CONTRACT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT TO MAINTAIN AND UPKEEP.
SO THAT WAS MY ESTIMATE, NOT JEFF'S, I ESTIMATED A CREW OF FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA WANNA, 'CAUSE DON'T WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT CUTS OUR PARKS? IT MOWS IT.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT PARK.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S DONE BY US.
SO WHY IS THAT NOT UNDER O AND M? IT IS.
I THINK IT'S JUST SHOWING US THAT.
IT'S JUST SHOWING US THE NUMBER.
IT SHOULDN'T BE IN 24 BECAUSE THE FIELDS WOULDN'T BE OPEN THEN.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY LISTED IN 23.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS WE GOT CROSSWAYS WITH MY DIRECTION TO STAFF ON FIXING THIS.
WHAT I DID IS I HAD THE E THE STAFFING IN THE, IN THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I PUT THE INFORMATION.
AND THEN WHENEVER I TOLD THE OTHER FOLKS WHO WERE ALSO WORKING ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFFING'S IN THERE, THEY WENT AND DROPPED IT DOWN AND PUT IT AS A RECURRING EXPENSE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
SO IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE RUNNING IN A ROW ON ITS OWN.
SO EVERY TIME YOU SEE STAFFING IN A ROW ON THE C I P ITSELF, THAT SHOULD BE DELETED.
AND YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE COLUMN THAT'S OVER ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS WHERE THE STAFFING WAS SUPPOSED TO EXIST.
NEW SOFTWARE, HUH? TWO 60 CAN, WE'RE USING EXCEL.
WHAT'S THE TRAIL LIGHTING? I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE? MAYOR TRAIL LIGHTING.
JEFF CAN SAY SPECIFICALLY, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOLAR LIGHTING FOR THE WALKING TRAILS.
LET'S DO UH, ADD SOLAR LIGHTING ALONG FROM
IS THAT THE CITY'S PORTION? ASSUMING THE COUNTY'S KICKING IN? YES.
SO THE, THAT ONE, THE SOLAR LIGHTING IS FROM TWO DIFFERENT PARTS.
IT'S FROM MER ALL THE WAY TO CARL STERN AND AROUND HU LAKE PARK.
AND THAT WOULD BE FUNDED OUT OF, PROPOSED OUT OF PARKLAND DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, THE PARKLAND IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.
AND THAT'S A SOLAR LIGHT EVERY 85 FEET THAT DIMMS DOWN DURING A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME WHEN THE PARKS CLOSE AND LIGHTS UP AND SOMEBODY WALKS UNDERNEATH IT.
BE CAREFUL ABOUT PROPOSING THE PAY OF THE PARKING IMPROVE ON, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL THING IS.
WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO, YEAH.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE P FIVE BUMP BY YEAR ATHLETIC FIELDS IF IT IS THAT NEW ATHLETIC FIELDS OR IS THAT IT'S A REPLACING WHAT WE HAVE AT MER NOW AND ADDING, ADDING NEW TO THE T-BALL FIELD.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PUSHED UNTIL, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT WANNA PLAY AT MEGA FIELD IF THE OTHER ONE HAPPENS.
BUT PUSHING TRAIL LIGHTS, PUSHING ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THEN, UM, PUSHING P NINE AND P EIGHT TRAIL EXPANSION.
BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE PORTIONS OF TRAILS, UM, SPONSORED BY PEOPLE.
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COMMUNITY THAT HAD A 40 MILE TRAIL THAT WAS COMPLETELY FUNDED BY PRIVATE BUSINESS.AND SO IF YOU'RE DOWN IN A HOT AREA LIKE ADAM ORAIN, THAT I THINK THERE'S A REALLY GOOD EFFORT, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD REALLY THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA EXPAND A TRAIL THERE AND HAVE IT BE PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER.
BUT, AND I ALSO THINK WE'RE SPENDING $10 MILLION ON FRITZ PARK AND SO OUTTA ALL THE THINGS WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND 10 MILLION, THAT'S OUR BIG THING FOR PARKS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LAY OFF ON SOME OTHER THINGS ON PARKS.
'CAUSE IF WE CAN'T JUST SPEND 10 TO 15 MILLION EVERY YEAR ON PARKS WHEN WE HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, AS I MENTIONED TO SOMEONE, I THINK WE SPENT MORE MONEY ON PARKS IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS THAN WE HAVE ON ROADS.
AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I'M NOT PRO PARKS, IT'S TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE AS A COMMUNITY, WE CAN'T BE GRADE AT EVERYTHING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE GOOD AT SOME GRADE AT OTHERS AND STUFF TO WORK ON.
OUR PARKS WERE RATED VERY HIGH.
UM, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 60 SOMETHING PERCENT OUT OF AN OVERALL CITY DEAL.
UM, THE POLICE, FOR ME, SAFETY IS ALWAYS GONNA BE MY NUMBER ONE THING.
IF WE CAN BE ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES, THEN I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING ROBBED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
UM, I LIKE US TO ALWAYS BE WORKING ON PARKS AND ALWAYS WORKING ON ROADS IN A GOOD LIBRARY.
AND SO I'M OKAY BEING GOOD AND GREAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE BEST.
SO THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND, IF WE'VE COMMITTED 10 MILLION TO THE PARKS, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME THINGS WE PUSH OUT.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN NEXT YEAR WE HAVE A 7 MILLION THING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FUND FOR PARKS.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO MY STOMACH FOR, OR OUR STOMACH FOR DEBT.
IN ADDITION TO THE 7 MILLION NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE, WE SHOULD BE BUILDING OR GETTING READY TO BUILD, UM, A PUBLIX WORKS FACILITY.
SO THAT'LL ADD MAYBE 15 MILLION NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN OUR ROADS IS ANOTHER 46 MILLION.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN GET OUR FIELDS COVERED BY SOMEBODY ELSE OR THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
BUT WOULD YOU PUSH P 15 AS WELL SINCE YOU'RE PUSHING, OR I GUESS THEY'RE BOTH TIED TOGETHER, WOULD YOU YEAH, I, I MARKED THAT OUT.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS TO HIS POINT ABOUT AN ISSUE FOR P 15.
I FEEL LIKE THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, IF, IF I'M NOT QUITE SURE I GUESS THE DETAILS ON IT, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S MAINTENANCE OF OUR CURRENT FIELDS, THEN I MEAN WE NEED TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE DECIDE TO HAVE MORE, MORE FIELDS IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS WHAT WE HAVE, WE NEED TO LOVE ON IT AND CARE FOR IT.
AND IF THAT'S GONNA COST MONEY, COUNCIL MEMBER LAR, JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT THAT IS NOT MAINTENANCE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
BUT THE ROW ROW BELOW IT WHERE SAYS MAINTENANCE.
SO IS THAT ASSUMING THAT THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE NEEDED IF WE DID NEW ATHLETIC FIELDS? SO IF THAT THIS ISN'T COMPREHENDING TAKING CARE OF EXISTING ATHLETIC FIELDS.
SO YEAH, SO ANYTIME YOU SEE A ROW BELOW WITH THE SAME IDENTIFIER THAT SAYS STAFF NEEDS, DISREGARD THAT.
BECAUSE WHAT I WAS DOING WHENEVER WE WERE WORKING TO BUILD THIS WAS I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE, UM, CAPITAL ITEM AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THIS ONE YEAR STAFF FIELDS.
IT'S THE, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE 5 MILLION, FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS OF FIELDS AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED A FIELD CREW TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF FIELDS.
NOW I KNOW THAT WE'VE FLOATED AROUND DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT I HAVE TO AT LEAST PUT A PROJECTION OF WHAT I THINK STAFFING COST WOULD BE IF WE DO THE THE THING.
SO, SO WHAT WOULD THE 500,000 GET US FOR ATHLETIC FIELD? THE 500,000 WAS THE RE WAS THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A, OF A FIELD.
WHAT DID YOU SAY IT WAS? IT WAS FOR THE DESIGN FEASIBILITY STUDY OF, OF THAT STUFF.
SO IT'S THE DESIGN AND FEASIBILITY ONLY.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST DESIGN DOLLARS, DESIGN AND FEASIBILITY.
FEASIBILITY OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
NO, A NEW COMPLEX OF A NEW COMPLEX.
SO I THINK THAT ONE MOVING A YEAR, THAT GIVES US TIME TO DECIDE ON COTTONWOOD BECAUSE COTTONWOOD COULD POTENTIALLY MEET THOSE NEEDS AND WE DON'T.
I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I MEAN JUST I WOULD, I ONE YEAR I'M OKAY WITH ONE YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT
I'D LIKE TO SEE US DELETE ALL THOSE EXTRA, I MEAN, I VOTED AGAINST FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
SO CONTINUE FRITZ PARK IMPROVEMENTS AS VETERAN'S MEMORIAL.
AS DISCUSSED VETERANS MEMORIAL.
I WOULD SKIP THE TRAIL LIGHTING.
I'D SKIP THE FIELDS AND THE, THE, THE COST WITH THAT I'D DO THE FIELD LIGHTING, THE HU LAKE PARK DOCK REPLACEMENT.
UM, I WOULD SKIP THE TRAIL EXPANSIONS AND LIKE I SAID, WORK ON A PROGRAM ON THAT.
TAKE OUT THE Y M C A IMPROVEMENTS AND BUMP THAT.
UM, AND THEN DO THE FENCING AT THE TENNIS COURTS.
THE SECURITY CAMERAS, THE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A ZAP STAND IS.
I THINK A E D THAT'S THE MEDICAL THING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THAT THE UTILITY VEHICLE WITH THE BOOM LIFT, UM,
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THE MAINTENANCE AT THE AMPHITHEATER, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.AND THEN I WOULD START THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT I WANNA KNOW IS HOW MUCH IS THAT GONNA COME OUT FROM THE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT PER TICKET COST, WE ALREADY SAID, GOT THE NEXT, UH, EVENT IS COMING SEPTEMBER 2ND I BELIEVE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE THAT $3 PER TICKET SURCHARGE OR WHATEVER TOWARDS THE PACIFICALLY BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER IMPROVEMENTS.
SO AGAIN, Y'ALL SET THE PRIORITY, WE FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO FUND IT.
SO I THINK WE LEAVE THAT WITH MONEY THERE BECAUSE UM, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OFFSETTING THAT.
THE WHOLE POINT OF REASON WE WENT WITH IT.
MY, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THAT LINE WOULD BE ZERO.
WE, WE PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE WERE ABLE TO DO THEM TO DO THEM WITH THE, UH, THE TICKET SALES.
YOU TALKING ABOUT TICKET, BUT I'M WONDERING IMPROVEMENTS OR THE MAINTENANCE, THE IMPROVEMENTS.
WELL, THE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT, AGAIN, IT'S ONLY DIFFERENT 1 75.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT FROM THAT STUDY WE DID THAT MM-HMM.
I DON'T THINK THREE BUCKS A TICKET'S EVER GONNA GET TO THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK AT SOME POINT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE REAL CONCERTS OUT THERE IN A REAL, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN THERE WHEN IT, WHEN IT RAINS, RIGHT? SO YOU GET ELECTROCUTED IF YOU'RE DOWN THERE IN A RAINSTORM.
AND SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVERYTHING JUMP STARTING IT AND GETTING IT.
AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S NOT OF ANTI-RAIL, IT SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A SYSTEM AS A CITY AND WORK ON SOME OF THESE BIG BUSINESSES TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A QUARTER MILE, LIKE ADOPT A HIGHWAY.
WE HAVE A ADOPT A TRAIL SYSTEM.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE KEEPING FOR THIS BUDGET IS FRITZ PARK AND VETERANS MEMORIAL.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEING PUSHED.
AND THE, ON THE LAKE, THE FIELD LIGHTING WAS STILL GONNA BE THERE.
LAKE PARK DOCK AND THE LAKE PARK DOCK, AND THEN EVERYTHING IN THE BLUE AND GREEN AT THE BOTTOM.
SO MAYOR COUNCIL ALSO, UM, IF YOU'RE ON THE SHEET THAT WAS PRIORITIZED BY P N Z, THEY ADDED ITEMS UP TO BE CONSIDERED AS HIGHER PRIORITY THAT DID NOT HAVE FUNDING SLATED IN 24.
SO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE THOSE TWO AND TAKE THOSE INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER YOU'RE DECIDING WHICH ONES ARE THOSE.
UM, IF YOU, SO HERE I'LL SHOW YOU, YOU CAN TELL, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWN THE SHEET THAT WAS HANDED OUT, THE, THE P N Z ITEMS THAT THEY MOVED UP IN PRIORITY, UM, IF THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN 24, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE ONES THAT THOSE IN THEIR MIND HAVE PRIORITY OVER OTHER ONES THAT HAVE FUNDING SLATED IN 24 THAT COME BELOW IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN LOOK AT P 18 AND P 20, WHICH ARE LIKE SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE SLATED FOR 24, WHICH IS YOUR DISC GOLF AND, UM, PICKLEBALL, YOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
P AND Z THOUGHT THAT THOSE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED AND THEY PRIORITIZE THEM ABOVE FIELD LIGHTING AND THE DOCK PARK REPLACEMENT.
BUT WE TALKED ABOUT AS HAVING DISC GOLF AS PART OF THE FRITZ PARK WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN FOR THE FUTURE DURING THAT BIG EMPTY SPOT, UH, OPEN AREA UP ABOVE.
SO I THINK THOSE WILL KIND OF ALREADY FALL.
ANYWAYS, THOSE MIGHT ALREADY GET KIND OF COVERED.
SO I STILL DON'T THINK WE CONSIDER THEM.
WE, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT WE THINK ABOUT 'EM IN IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER.
WELL, AND THAT OTHER PARK THAT WE'RE GETTING DEDICATED TO THE CITY THAT'S ON ED SCHMIDT, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL PLACE FOR A DISC GOLF RIGHT NOW.
THE AND PICKLE GOLF, YOU KNOW, WE SAW, UM, THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE CONTAINER PARK AND, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE, WHATEVER MM-HMM.
ONE OF THE AMENITIES THEY HAD AT THE AUSTIN AT THE PITCH WAS THEY HAD TWO OR FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS THERE.
SO SOME OF THAT I THINK, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING NO TO THINGS.
I'M JUST SAYING THERE MIGHT BE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AS COUNCIL THAT OTHER, UM, PARKS BOARD OR THE, UM, P AND Z HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO SOME OF THE INFORMATION TO WHERE THERE MAY BE A WAY TO GET A LOT MORE STUFF.
I DID WANT TO BRING UP ONE OTHER THING.
WHEN I SEE THE DURANGO PARK DOWN HERE, UM, IT'S FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE THE $2 MILLION AND IT'S STILL DEDICATED JUST TO DURANGO PARK, CORRECT? YES.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE $2 MILLION IN, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, BENEFIT FEE FROM DURANGO FARMS PIT THAT HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE DURANGO FARMS PIT.
AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE ASKED FOR THE DEVELOPER TO AGREE TO RELEASE THOSE DOLLARS FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT NOT BE WITHIN THEIR BOUNDS.
THE PROPERTY THAT WAS DEDICATED, THAT'S KNOWN AS DURANGO PARK IS WITHIN THE BOUNDS.
IT'S NOT DEDICATED TO THAT PARK.
UM, IT, IT'S DEDICATED WITHIN THE BOUNDS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WITH COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WORKING TO, TO GET THAT RELEASED FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
BUT WE'D ALSO HAD DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT PARK ANYWAYS.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE HAVE THE $308,000 FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DON'T MOVE THAT UP A YEAR AND USE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR THAT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING KNOW WE MAY NOT, BUT WE MAY NOT GET THAT RIGHT.
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IS IN THE CHANCE THAT WE GET THE, WHERE HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THE 2 MILLION SAFER ROAD WORK GOING AROUND, THEN THE 2 MILLION CAN THEN REPLACE TWO MAIN WE HAVE IN ROAD MONEY MM-HMM.AND IT'S NOT TO SAY, LIKE FOR ME, ARE ARE OUT, ARE ROADS OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERED INSIDE THE BOUNDS? NO.
BUT IF THEY, BUT IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE MONEY TO RELEASE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT TO THE ROADS THAT SUPPORT THE DISTRICT, THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO DO 1660.
YOU COULD EVEN DO SOME OF THE, I MEAN THE OLD TOWN ROADS THAT LEAD INTO DURANGO, ANY OF THOSE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EAST STREET, I THINK, AND WEST STREET.
SO MY ARGUMENT FOR PARKS IS THE SAME I'VE HAD FOR THE POLICE BACK THREE YEARS AGO.
I GOT SIDEWAYS, UH, ON A COMMENT I MADE, SO I'LL TRY TO ARTICULATE THIS BETTER.
I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF HIRING MORE POLICE UNTIL WE PAID OUR CURRENT POLICE A PROPER WAGE THAT WAS LIVABLE.
I DIDN'T SEE A REASON TO HIRE A BUNCH MORE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE UNDER PAYING THEM.
AND SO WE'VE MADE SEVERAL BIG STEPS IN MAKING THAT BETTER, WHICH IS WHY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HIRING MORE POLICE.
I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT PARKS.
WE CAN KEEP ADDING PARKLAND, BUT IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN AND WE DON'T FIX WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AS SOON AS WE, WE RECOMMENDED DOING FRITZ PARK AND BUILDING A LAKE OUT THERE, ALL THE HUDDLE LAKE PEOPLE SAID, WELL, OUR LAKE HASN'T WORKED FOR THREE YEARS.
WHY WOULD YOU BUILD ANOTHER LAKE WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN, YOU'RE NOT EVEN MAINTAINING ONE WE HAVE.
AND SO I THINK FROM A PARK STANDPOINT, I DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE TRAILS UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN TO MAINTAIN TRAILS.
I DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY BUILD A PARK IN DURANGO, MAKE IT NICE, AND THEN ALL THE OTHER PARKS ARE IN DISREPAIR.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A HAPPY MIDDLE BETWEEN ADDING PARKS AND IMPROVING ONES AND WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT THAT BALANCE.
BUT, UM, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S AN ARGUMENT I HAVE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ONCE ABOUT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THEY BUILD A NEW SCHOOL, THEY, THEY UPGRADE ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS.
AND SOME OF IT I DISAGREE WITH ON THE TOP, BUT THEN SOME OF IT I CAN SEE THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD A BRAND NEW PARK, PEOPLE ALL GO TO THAT PARK AND THEN THEY REALLY DON'T USE THE REST OF THE PARKS.
AND THEN EVERYBODY'S USING ONE PARK AND COMPLAINING IT'S OVERUSED.
WHEN REALLY WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE ALL OF OUR PARKS TO WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE CITY TO GO TO PARKS.
THEY GO TO THE ONE CLOSEST TO THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, THEIR KIDS LIKE IT OR WHATEVER.
BUT I'M SORRY, SO WHAT IS OUR CURRENT BALANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE FUND? DO WE KNOW FOR WHICH? WHICH ONE? WE, WE DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR DURANGO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TOTAL.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING ALL KINDS OF BENEFIT FEES FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
ARE THEY ALL GOING INTO ONE FUND? ARE THEY ALL SEGREGATED? IT GOES INTO BASICALLY A, A, IT'S ITS OWN FUND.
IT GOES INTO ITS OWN FUND AND THEN IT'S SEGREGATED OUT BY SOURCE AREA OR BY SOURCE.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, WHAT THAT ADDS UP TO.
I WILL SEND THAT OUT TO ALL OF COUNCIL.
WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO DURANGO, BEFORE WE SPEND MONEY ON IT, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTION OF WHAT WE WANNA PUT IN THERE.
AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO SPEND MONEY ON ANY KIND OF STUDY WITHOUT GETTING THAT DIRECTION.
SO I WANT STAFF AND THE PARKS BOARD TO WORK ON THAT.
I WANT TO GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT AND LET THAT ALL PLAY OUT AND THEN HAVE A DIRECTION THAT, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS PARK.
AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT WHEN YOU SPEND MONEY ON IT.
I JUST, I JUST THREW IT OUT THERE AS A QUESTION.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES, UH, WITH WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING ON BUMPING? MM-HMM.
SO THE ONE IN BLUE, YOU SAID RECOMMEND KEEPING THOSE, BUT I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO PAY FOR IT, NOT OUT OF THE C I P BUT OUT OF OTHER DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAS P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT DIDN'T NEED TO COME OUT OF THE CAPITAL.
IT SHOULD JUST SO THAT, THAT'S MY SECOND PART TO THIS.
SO BEEN ATHLETIC FIELDS, BUT WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THEM BEING HERE? IS IT THEN YOU CAN THEN GET COMMUNITY IMPACT FEES TO THEN BE SPENT TOWARDS THESE BECAUSE THEY WERE LISTED? OR IS THERE, IS THERE SOME FINANCIAL, IS THERE SOME ACCOUNTING REASON TO LEAVE THEM HERE VERSUS MOVING 'EM UNDER THE GENERAL FUND? GENERAL FUND MAINTENANCE OF THE PARKS BUDGET.
SO CURRENTLY YOUR FISCAL POLICY SAYS THAT ANYTHING THAT IS $5,000 OR MORE IS CAPITAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT 'EM ON THIS LIST.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO PRIORITIZE AND SAY YES OR NO TO THE ITEMS. I'LL FIND THE FUNDING SOURCE AND THEN RECOMMEND THAT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.
SO WE'RE BUMPING FRITZ PARK STAFF IMPROVEMENT MONEY ERRONEOUSLY PUT THERE ON ACCIDENT, WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S GETTING BUMPED A YEAR.
THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THE STAFF WITH THAT, THE TRAIL EXTENSION AND WE'RE KEEPING VETERANS MEMORIAL TRAIL LIGHTING, FIELD LIGHTING, DOCK REPLACEMENT, THE ITEMS IN BLUE AND GREEN.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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GOT IT.YOU CAN ALWAYS REPLACE IT LATER.
'CAUSE WE SAID THAT AND THAT'LL BE A GOOD CONVERSATION.
AND SO WITH, SORRY, STAND A MINUTE.
SO WITH THAT, THAT'S THE BUILDING FACILITIES.
WE BASICALLY HAVE A, WE'VE DROPPED 9 MILLION DOWN TO A MILLION.
WE DROPPED THE FIVE FIVE IN PARKS TO ABOUT, WHAT WAS THAT, SEVEN 50? ABOUT A MILLION OFF THAT.
AND SO THROUGH ALL THIS, IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT ROUGHLY 15 16 MILLION IN, UM, C I P SPENDING THIS NEXT YEAR.
IN ADDITION, I I SHOULD SAY IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH 15 MILLION BETWEEN ROADS AND PARKS AND FACILITY.
EITHER THROUGH PARKS, MONEY, ROAD MONEY OR GENERAL REVENUE MONEY FOR THE FACILITIES.
BUT THE 15 MILLION IN EXTRA MONEY YOU'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH FUNDING SOURCES FOR.
ALL WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF FRITZ NEXT YEAR THOUGH 'CAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION GO MULTIPLE YEARS.
BUT YOU WANNA ISSUE THE BONDS ALL AT ONCE? WELL, ALL THE SAME.
WE UNDERSTAND WHICH PROJECTS THEY'RE IN AND WHICH ONES ARE OFF.
WELL SHE BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT BECAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DECIDED ON THE PROJECTS.
WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE BLESS YOU.
WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ON THE RATE YET, SO, SO I HAVE TO DO THAT NOW I HAVE TO TAKE WHAT YOU SAID.
AND THEN I HAVE TO BALANCE ALL THE BALANCES.
SO YOU WANT SOME GUIDANCE, YOU CAN GIVE ME ALL THE GUIDANCE YOU'D LIKE.
I WILL TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT, CUT ALL THE FAT OUT AND, AND KEEP IT LEAN AROUND HERE SO THAT YOU CAN, IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD BE GIVING, UM, AS GOOD A PAY RAISES AS WE CAN TO THE PEOPLE MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE WORKING MORE, NOT THAT THEY'RE WORKING 50, 60 HOURS, BUT IF THEY OCCASIONALLY HAVE EXTRA WORK WEEKS, I THINK FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WOULD THEY RATHER HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH MORE HELP AND ONE IN 2% RAISES GOING FORWARD? OR WOULD THEY RATHER KNOW I WORK A LITTLE BIT HARDER BUT I GET PAID BETTER AND TREATED BETTER.
AND SO I DON'T MIND IT BECAUSE AS WE DO ALL THESE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, THE MORE BODIES YOU HIRE, TO ME THAT'S A LEGACY ITEM THAT'S IN PERPETUITY.
AND WE STILL HAVE $800 MILLION IN FOUR YEARS YOU WANNA FUND.
AND SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IF YOU'RE NOT RUNNING A LEAN CITY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD LIKE WE'RE GONNA ALL GET REPLACED.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PASS THE TAX RATES YOU NEED TO FUND ALL THE STAFFING YOU WANT AND ALL THE PROJECTS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IN MY MIND HOW FAR WE EXPAND OUR SERVICES AND, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THAT QUALITY OF SERVICE.
MAYBE THE G I SS ANALYST, MAYBE IT TAKES THREE WEEKS TO PUT SOMETHING INSTEAD OF ONE WEEK.
BUT IF WE MAKE EVERYTHING TOO GOOD AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TAXPAYER ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ALL THIS VERY LONG.
AND, AND THE MAYOR PRO BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
WE'RE GETTING SOME RELIEF, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD USE ALL THAT RELIEF QUICKLY.
'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE, I MEAN IT'S MIND BOGGLING.
THERE'S 800 MILLION ON HERE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT YET IN A CITY THAT OWNS OWES ONE POINT OR 180 MILLION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TIMES OUR DEBT, CURRENT DEBT, WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY FOUR X THAT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WHICH IS AMAZING.
UM, AND THEN IF IT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL, WE, WE WILL, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE, MAYBE START HAVING, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE HERE FOR THIS.
I MEAN NOT ALL THE STAFF, BUT WE CAN MAYBE HAVE A MEETING IN LIKE FOUR MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS AND GO OVER.
I, I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE THIS, EXPAND THIS OUT TO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, FISCAL YEAR 35.
AND THEN KNOWING THAT IN FISCAL YEAR, SAY HYPOTHETICALLY 27, WE MAY GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING IN.
AND I'VE TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT THIS.
HOW DO WE TAKE ALL THESE PROJECTS AND BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, IN FISCAL 28, THIS LUG OF MONEY THAT COMES IN, UM, FROM PROLOGIS, WE'RE GONNA EARMARK THAT TOWARDS A NEW LIBRARY OR A NEW WHATEVER OR THIS NEW PARK.
AND IF WE KIND OF MAKE A ROADMAP, WHICH IS ONE TIME HITS, THEN BECAUSE I TOLD 'EM MY BIGGEST FEAR IS WE SPEND IT ALL ON M AND O TYPE STUFF AND THEN THEY GO AWAY IN EIGHT YEARS AND WE LAY EVERYBODY OFF.
BUT IF WE JUST DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BIG PROJECTS IN 10 YEARS, WE COULD HAVE A GREAT CITY PAID FOR BY BASICALLY BIG BUSINESS.
BUT I THINK YOU NEED DIRECTION FROM US RIGHT? ON WHAT WE SEE THIS MONEY DOING IN THREE YEARS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US PLAN THAT, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE US BE CAUTIOUS NOT TO PROMISE THAT AND NOT TO PROMOTE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT IS UNTIL, UNTIL THEY BUILD AND OPEN AND HAVE I AGREE AND HAVE A FULL BUILDING, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
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I MEAN, IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA FALL APART, WE'VE DONE OUR PART, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.SO, AND WE STILL NEED TO BUILD, SOME THINGS HAVE TO GET BUILT WHETHER THEY COME OR NOT.
SO WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT AND BE ON TRACK TO DO THAT.
AND THEN IF WE CAN ACCELERATE IT BECAUSE OF THIS INFLICTION AND CASH OR PAY DOWN THE I N S RATE, GREAT.
BUT YEAH, AND I, I, I'M, I FEEL OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL, BUT UNTIL IT'S HERE, IT'S NOT HERE.
SO YEAH, WE DIDN'T DO WHAT I HOPED TO DO TODAY, WHICH IS PRIORITIZE FIVE YEARS.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS TO GO THROUGH, BUT WE GOT ONE YEAR.
I THINK WE MADE GOOD PROGRESS.
SO ARE WE GONNA WATER WASTEWATER? ARE WE GONNA JUST SAY IT IS WHAT IT IS? AND TO ME IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS AT.
BUT TO, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE, WE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND HOW OFTEN AND HOW FAST WE ISSUE DEBT.
WE DON'T WANT TO ISSUE A BUNCH OF DEBT IN THE UTILITY FUND JUST TO HAVE IT SITTING THERE AND BEING IDLE.
WE HAVE RATES THAT WE HAVE TO TRY TO BALANCE.
WE HAVE THE FUND BALANCE THAT'S IN THE UTILITY FUND THAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE.
THERE IS, AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS THERE, THERE IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE TO BE UTILITY RATE INCREASES IN OUR FUTURE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'LL BE THIS YEAR, BUT WE'RE ADDING FUTURE WATER SUPPLY THAT HAS COSTS.
WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF COSTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY RESULT IN WATER RATE INCREASES, BUT OR, OR WASTEWATER RATE INCREASES.
THAT SAID, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PROPOSE THIS NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE, I'M GONNA SAY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO PROPOSE NO RATE INCREASES IN WATER AND WASTEWATER.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE WORK WITHIN THE STRUCTURE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO PROJECT TO YOU IN THE FUTURE WHAT WE, WHAT I ANTICIPATE RATES MAY DO.
WHICH MEANS THAT IF, IF WE ARE GONNA SEE A SPIKE, SAY IN YEAR THREE AFTER WE HAVE A NEW WATER SOURCE COME ONLINE, THEN COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO WANT TO EASE THE BURDEN AND, AND DO A SLIGHT INCREASE NEXT YEAR OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
BUT, UM, I DON'T INTEND TO HAVE THE, THE UTILITY FUND ISSUE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DEBT AND JUST HAVE THE MONEY SITTING THERE AND PROJECTS NOT GETTING DONE.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, UM, IN THE UTILITY FUNDS.
AND, UM, I I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW I'M VER I'M VERY PLEASED WITH HOW TODAY TURNED OUT IN, IN MANY REGARDS.
SO I HOPE, AND I WANNA THANK Y'ALL FOR PUTTING THE TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS ON A SATURDAY.
I I I HOPE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU AS, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAIL THAN YOU'VE PROBABLY EVER SEEN.
MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU'VE EVER HAD AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.
BECAUSE BACK TO WHAT I SAID WHEN I STARTED HERE A YEAR AGO, I, I DO WANT PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS, BUT I I, I DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST TO FORM OPINIONS.
I WANT THEM TO HAVE INFORMED OPINIONS.
I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE REALITIES ARE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND TO MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT HAVING A EVEN A 20 OR A 30 YEAR PLAN, I FULLY EMBRACE THAT WE HAD TO BUILD THE FIRST YEAR PLAN FIRST TO GET IT TOGETHER TO KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE'RE STARTING FROM.
BUT FROM HERE FORWARD, UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR US AT HURO.
I DID HAVE ONE THING UNDER WATER THOUGH, OR ACTUALLY TWO.
SO THE DOWNTOWN ELEVATED TANK REHABILITATION IS THAT NOW BECAUSE Y'ALL DETERMINED THAT THIS IS, WHEN, IS IT OPERATIONALLY NEEDED OR YOU JUST STUCK IT HERE TO SAY, NOW WE, WE FOUND SOMETHING AND IT NEEDS TO GET FIXED.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WE SAY IS WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT WAS THE QUESTION ON THAT.
SO, SO HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING OUR, UM, MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF UM, T C E Q.
UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH ELEVATED STORAGE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH T C E Q.
THAT TANK WAS ORIGINALLY TAKEN OFFLINE BECAUSE OF THE COST TO REHAB IT.
BUT THE COST TO BUILD A TANK TO REPLACE IT AND THE TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE WOULD PUT US WELL BEYOND WHAT REHABBING IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO TO GET US THE ELEVATED STORAGE BACK FOR REHAB.
SO WE'LL BE COMPLIANT UNTIL THE NEXT BIG TANKS ARE BUILT.
THOSE ARE LONG PROJECTS TO DO.
THEN ONCE WE HAVE IT DONE, WE CAN SWITCH THAT TO BE THE TANK THAT GIVES US PRESSURE FOR A REUSE PROJECT.
WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF OF THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM AND HAVE IT ON THE NON-POTABLE WATER SYSTEM SHOULD WE CRAFT ONE.
SO, AND THERE'S ANTENNAS ALL OVER IT SO WE CAN'T REPAINT IT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT WITH ALL THE ANTENNAS ON IT.
SO WE HAVE TO MOVE THE ANTENNAS OFF TO BE ABLE TO REHAB IT.
THAT'S WHAT THAT PROJECT IS ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT T C E Q COMPLIANCE AND THEN ALSO NOTING THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE IT NOT BE AN EYESORE UNLESS WE TAKE ALL THE ANTENNAS OFF.
AND IF WE DO THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BEGIN WITH.
WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND REHAB IT AT THAT POINT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PERMITTING WITH THE SIMSBORO WELLS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO NOW OR IS IT, IS THAT
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EVEN GONNA, IS THIS REALLY THE STILL A, A, A SOLUTION THAT WE WERE GONNA GO PERMIT 'CAUSE IT WAS A HOLDOVER, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE SO WE CAN REST YEAH, LET'S GO GET ADDITIONAL BECAUSE OF THE OTHER DEAL.MM-HMM
LET, LET ME RECHECK ON THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WHERE I HAD ENDED UP ON THAT WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA PURSUE THAT.
AND SO NOW I'M SEEING THAT'S $10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
YEAH, CERTAINLY I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THE SIMS, RURAL WELLS.
SO THAT'S WHERE OUR CURRENT WATER SOURCES OUT.
THE ISSUE OUT THERE IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PERMITTED WATER.
UM, SO, SO I GUESS BACK TO THE BACK TO WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN THE SYSTEM WAS BOUGHT THAT WE WOULD JUST HAVE UNLIMITED WATER.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PERMIT WATER, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
THE DETAILS THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT WHEN WE DO THINGS SOMETIMES THESE LITTLE DETAILS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS.
THE PERMITS IN THAT, IN THAT DISTRICT ARE PRETTY MUCH SPOKEN FOR MOST OF THE GROUND.
IN ORDER TO LEASE WATER, YOU HAVE TO LEASE A SURFACE ACRE TO GET AN AN ACRE OF, OF WATER UNDERNEATH IT.
SO THERE'S NOT LEASES NECESSARILY AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET, SO TO SPEAK.
IF THERE WERE AN OPPORTUNITY WERE TO COME UP, MAYBE WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ON A HORIZON.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA GO ISSUE MONEY TO GO TRY TO PROCURE THOSE UNLESS THEY COME TO US.
AND SO SEEING THAT IT CAME UP HERE GREEN AND I WAS LIKE, WHY DID IT GET ADDED? I THOUGHT WE JUST REMOVED IT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WASN'T AN OVERSIGHT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT WAS ME ADDING IT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL 2023 C I P AND I DIDN'T WANT COUNCIL TO THINK THAT I WAS JUST TAKING IT UPON MYSELF TO STUFF THAT YOU GUYS HAD IT AS A PRIORITY.
JUST, I DON'T THINK IT IS NOW 'CAUSE OF THINGS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL.
CLOSING COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT IN THE, THE CITIZENS WHO CAME EARLIER AND WHO ARE STILL HERE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT AND FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROCESS.
WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR FOUR YEARS, GOING ON FIVE YEARS.
UH, THE MAYOR AND I, AND THIS HAS BEEN THE BEST PROCESS SO FAR.
YOU SAID SOMETHING I WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING AND COUNSEL, WHEN JAMES FIRST TOLD ME ABOUT THESE RATES CHANGES, I SAID, THE ONE THING I DON'T THINK YOU CAN RAISE IS WATER BECAUSE STAFF CAME UP WITH A CONSULTANT AND GUARANTEED WE CAN DROP THE RATE LIKE WE DID AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.
SO I SAID, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
AND I'M LIKE, GOOD THING YOU GUYS GET PAID A LOT OF MONEY 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET MORE WATER FOR THE SAME PRICE.
BUT I SAID, I CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A WASTEWATER INCREASE, BUT IT KIND OF GOES AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT PAYING FOR DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE IF ALL THIS STUFF WE'RE DOING IS SO BENEFICIAL, THEN WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO RAISE RATES.
BUT WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DRAINAGE RATE AT LIKE TWO BUCKS A MONTH I THINK IS PROBABLY EVERYBODY COULD, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S EITHER DON'T, DON'T COLLECT IT ANYMORE, BUT $2 A MONTH ISN'T COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ANYTHING.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO RAISE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT, IT'S ALSO A PROBLEM WITH HOW WE, HOW WE CALCULATE IT.
THE BACK ON THE IMPACT FEE ISSUE.
UM, UH, A LOWE'S FOR EXAMPLE IS PAYING $4 A MONTH THE SAME AS MY HOUSE IS PAYING $4 A MONTH.
RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE WHAT IT'S MEANT TO DO.
SO WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND TO ADJUST THAT IN THE FEE SCHEDULE GOING FORWARD.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YEAH, IT'S, AND WHAT I SUGGESTED JAMES, IS MAYBE US GO AHEAD AND WORKING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER ON THE DRAINAGE FEES.
'CAUSE ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND PAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWING WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPING A PLAN AND SAME WITH THE WASTEWATER.
I DON'T, UM, IF THERE'S ROOM TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT, I THINK THE MORE SOONER WE GO UP A LITTLE BIT INCREMENTALLY IS BETTER THAN ALL OF A SUDDEN WITH A 30, 40% INCREASE.
UM, BUT WITH THAT I DO SECOND THE MAYOR PRO TEM, EVERYBODY BEING HERE, THE PUBLIC SITTING THROUGH THIS.
WAS ANYBODY WATCHING? IS THIS ON YES.
SO THANKS FOR LISTENING TO US, YOU KNOW, SPEND YOUR MONEY.
AND I WANT TO ADD TO THAT THINKING, UH, P AND Z, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.
AND I KNOW ASHLEY AND MATT, YOU GUYS WERE THERE SPENDING ALL OF THAT TIME WITH THEM AND JEFF WAS THERE AND TRUDY WAS THERE REPRESENTING THEIR PROJECTS AND PROBABLY OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON THE, ON THE VIDEO FEED.
UM, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME THAT WENT INTO THIS BY, BY ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1:46 PM.