[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
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>> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT IT IS 7:00 AND WE ARE CALLING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 2023 TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, - WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF PAUSE.
COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON IS HERE. NEXT, PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION LED BY PASTOR ARTHUR SPENCE FROM LITTLE EBENEZER
BAPTIST CHURCH. >> SPEAKER: SHALL WE PRAY? HEAVENLY FATHER WE COME NOW TO GIVE YOU THANKS LORD HEAR LORD WE THANK YOU HEAVENLY FATHER FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE IN OUR LIVES HEAVENLY FATHER WE ASK FOR YOU TO HEAR HIM FATHER AND HAVE YOUR SPIRIT AMONGST US. THEY ARE, BLESS THE FAMILY THAT IS PRESENT LORD JESUS . WE GIVE YOU THE HONOR AND PRAISE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WHAT YOU CONTINUALLY BLESS. FATHER MAKE IT BETTER LORD, WE GIVE YOU PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY LORD .
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE DAYS. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
>> AMEN. >> MAYOR: PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE PUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, TEXAS. ONE STATE, UNDER GOD, ONE AND
INDIVISIBLE. >>> ALL RIGHT NEXT WE HAVE
[5. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]
CITY MANAGER COMMENT. >> SPEAKER: MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITIZENS OF HUTTO JAMES, CITY MANAGER. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO GO OVER TONIGHT THE FIRST ONE IS CERTAINLY DEALING WITH THE BUDGET. TONIGHT WE ARE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME TIME THE PUBLIC HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLICATION OF THE BUDGET. ALSO, TONIGHT BE THE FIRST NIGHT BUT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT SHORTLY AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. THIS TIME A WEEK FROM TODAY THERE IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING HERE ON THURSDAY AT 7:00 WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ONLY BE DEALING WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE BUDGET. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE INTERESTED MAKE SURE YOU PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR. IT IS A SPECIAL MEETING SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. IN ADDITION I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT TAX RATE. TAX RATES ARE CERTAINLY SOMETHING COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO DEBATE AND WRESTLE WITH. TONIGHT WE WILL BE HAVING AN ACTION ITEM THAT WILL SET WHAT THE MAXIMUM RATE IS THAT THEY CAN SET. THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEFORE THEM IF YOU KNOW IF YOU FOLLOW THIS NO NEW REVENUE IS A WORD YOU HEAR A LOT. VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS ANOTHER WORD YOU HEAR A LOT AND THOSE ARE EFFECTIVELY THE TWO ENDS OF THE GOALPOST. TECHNICALLY, THEY CAN LOWER THE RATE AND NO NEW REVENUE. TECHNICALLY AGAIN RAISE A HIGHER THAN VOTER APPROVAL BUT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT GO INTO THAT. THEY WILL BE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION AND I WILL SAY THIS SHOULD WHATEVER RATE THEY ELECT BE THE HIGHEST RATE CAN ADOPT THEY CAN ALWAYS GO LOWER WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO SET FOR TONIGHT. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, TOO. WATER CONSERVATION. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE NUMBERS LATELY, IT MAY SURPRISE YOU ALL TO HEAR IT IS HOT OUTSIDE AND IT HAS NOT RAINED. I WILL SAY I AM REALLY PLEASED. I WENT BACK TO LOOK AND RICK CORONADO SHARE THE DATA FROM LAST YEAR AND WE ARE ACTUALLY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ADDED AND GROWN AS A COMMUNITY WE ARE TRACKING THE SAME USAGE THIS TIME FROM LAST YEAR. IT IS A LITTLE MORE BUT NOT CONSIDERABLY MORE AND THAT GOES TO SAY HOW GOOD OF A JOB PEOPLE ARE DOING AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR WATERING. I WAS SHOCKED LAST YEAR AND I ARRIVED
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AND I HEARD THAT HUTTO WAS GOING INTO WATER CONSERVATION IN THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB IN RESPONDING. I WILL SAY WERE GETTING DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO TRIGGERING STAGE III. IF WE DON'T SEE RAIN AND WE CONTINUE TO BE 100 PLUS WEATHER, I WILL WATCH THAT CAREFULLY AND WE WILL PUT OUT A CALL FOR NOTIFICATIONS. IF WE GET TO STAGE III OUTDOOR WATERING GOES FROM TWO DAYS TO ONE DAY IF YOU ARE A WATER CUSTOMER OF THE CITY. THERE ARE OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT THAT WE WILL PUT OUT. ANOTHER THING TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS THERE IS A HIGHER INCREASED POSSIBILITY OF GRASS FIRES RIGHT NOW AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUT THOSE GRASS FIRES. BE THOUGHTFUL IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING THAT'S BURNING IT MIGHT BE OBVIOUS BUT WHAT'S NOT OBVIOUS IS PULLING YOUR CAR OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO FIX A FLAT OR WEIGHT YOUR KIDS TO GET OUT OF SCHOOL OR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT THINK ABOUT. THE TEMPERATURE AND CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT IF YOU COULD START A GRASS FIRE. YOU WOULD NOT NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH STARTING GRASS FIRES. IF YOU ARE MOWING WITH THE LAWNMOWER I HAVE SEEN BLADES HIT A ROCK AND SPARK AND START A GRASS FIRE SO THAT SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT,TOO. >>> SPECIAL EVENTS THERE'S A NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENTS COMING UP ONE OF WHICH IS FROM 9:00 TO NOON THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS FAIR IS OCCURRING AT THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS HERE THEY WILL COVER THINGS LIKE ECHO POWER WATER FOR PURIFICATION PREPARING KITS AND OTHER RESILIENCY TOPICS. EVENTUALLY WE HOPE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN HUTTO BUT WE WANTED OUR CITIZENS TO KNOW THIS EVENT WAS SATURDAY OVER IN TAYLOR PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS MONTH IS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MONTH. FROM 10:00 TO 2:00 SATURDAY IS A COMMUNITY TECHNIQUE AT FRITZ PARK.
SEVERAL CHURCHES ARE COMING TOGETHER TO HOST THE EVENT IN HONOR OF THE LATE REVEREND FRED B WARNER JUNIOR. HE MADE SUCH AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY SINCE HIS PASSING A FEW YEARS AGO. THIS IS A GATHERING OF REMEMBRANCE AND CELEBRATION.
IT SAYS SATURDAY WILL BE TWO YEARS FROM THE DAY THAT HUTTO CITY COUNCIL MADE A PROCLAMATION IN HIS HONOR ORIGINALLY. COUNSEL HAS DECLARED AUGUST 19 AS PASTOR WARREN DAY AND IT COULDN'T BE A BETTER TIME TO KEEP HIS MEMORY ALIVE. THERE WILL BE DANCING, SINGING, FELLOWSHIP AND MORE.
NO FIREWORKS, LAWNMOWERS OR PARKING ON THE GRASS. NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS COMING UP AND IT'S ANOTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND.
HUTTO POLICE IS ASKING FOR FOLKS TO REGISTER IF YOU WANT THEM TO COME AND MAKE AN APPEARANCE AT THEIR EVENT.
NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS THE THIRD IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE. IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HAVING A BLOCK PARTY GO TO THE HUTTO FACEBOOK PAGE AND LOOK FOR THEIR CALL FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT TO SUM IT UP. THIS IS THE LAST REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE WILL HAVE IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST. GO AHEAD AND NOTE THAT CITY HALL AND LIBRARY BE CLOSED IN OBSERVANCE OF LABOR DAY SEPTEMBER 4. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
[6. PUBLIC COMMENT]
>> MAYOR: THANK YOU NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DID RECEIVE A COMMENT IN THE PACKETS. WE DID GET THAT. IF I READ YOUR NAME YOUR 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START OFF GREEN AND WHEN THEIR 30 SECONDS LEFT IT WILL BE A YELLOW AND WHEN IT'S READ YOUR TIME IS UP. THE FIRST PERSON WE HAVE IS.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BARRY SO LARGE AND I AM A RESIDENT OF HUTTO. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKS BOND AND ABOUT THE PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES. IN 2018 THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO VOTED TO ISSUE $50 MILLION IN PARKS BONDS AND TO DATE NOTHING FROM THOSE BONDS HAVE BEEN SPENT ON PARKS. WE HAVE ASKED FOR MONEY FOR FIRST SPARK, PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES THE RIGHTS OF THE BASKETBALL COURTS BUT WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ONE SINGLE BOND TO FIX ANY OF OUR PARKS. WHEN FRITZ PARK WAS APPROVED IT WAS TOLD TO USE $1.2 MILLION OF PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES WHICH I STRONGLY OBJECT TO. THAT MONEY COULD BE USED TO FIX HUTTO LIKE PARK, PUT THE DOCK OUT THERE, LIGHTS ON THE TRAIL ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO COME AND ASK FOR A BOND
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ISSUANCE AND PAY. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT MONEY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE MOVEMENT. THE THIRD THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS IN THE SAME BOND ELECTION WE HAD $95 MILLION FOR ROADS. LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING I WAS AT I WAS TOLD WE ONLY HAVE 14 MILLION OF THAT LEFT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE $81 MILLION DISAPPEARED TO BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING THAT MUCH ON THE ROAD AND THAT IS IT. THANK YOU.>> MAYOR: NEXT WE HAVE JAMES WEAVER.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THAT EVENING ESTHER MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY. AND, MANAGER. MY NAME IS JAMES WEAVER AND I LIVE IN HUTTO. EVERY TIME I MADE A PLEDGE TO BE CALMER AND MORE RESERVED IN MY PUBLIC COMMENTS SOMEONE MAKES SOME FOOLISH MOVE TO MAKE THE CITY LOOK STUPID. IN MAY A $93,000 CHECK WAS SENT TO A VENDOR WITHOUT PROPER APPROVAL.
CITY COUNCIL WAS TOLD PROCEDURES ARE BEING CHECKED.
WAS ANYTHING DONE TO RECTIFY THE ERROR.[BLEEP] DEE WAS SOMEONE FIRED? SOMEONE PLACED ON RESTRICTIONS? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON EMBRACES A HOLLOW IDEA OF TRUST AND VERIFY. IN CONTRAST THE EMPHASIS SHOULD BE ON TIGHTENING INTERNAL CONTROLS. I'VE EXPRESSED THAT MANY TIMES IN MY PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS WEEK ONE OF OUR BANKS REPORTED ANOTHER INSTANCE OF MISAPPLICATION OF FUNDS. THIS TIME $193,000. TO ME AS A FORENSIC EXAMINER IT SEEMS THE ACTION TAKEN IN MAY WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL INVOICE DRINK THE CITIES INTERNAL CONTROL. DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AUTHORIZING THE MOST RECENT DISBURSEMENT? ONE PERSON OR SEVERAL. HAVE YOU WALKED ANYONE OUT OF THE BUILDING DURING INVESTIGATION IN ORDER TO PRESERVE YOUR TRAIN OF EVIDENCE? TO ENSURE EVIDENCE IS NOT REMOVED OR DESTROYED? I AM SURE THAT CHIEF YARBOROUGH CAN HANDLE THE INVESTIGATION BUT DOES HE HAVE AT HIS CALL FORENSIC EXAMINERS THAT CAN ASSIST HIM? YOU COULD REQUEST THE TEXAS RANGERS TO ASSIST YOU MIGHT HAVE A WIDER SCOPE OF POWER INCLUDING SUBPOENA POWER TO INVESTIGATE BANK ACCOUNT AND THE SUSPECTS. BOTTOM LINE TRUST AND VERIFY IS NOT PREVENT CRIMES SUCH AS THESE. INTERNAL CONTROLS MUST BE TIGHTENED, STAFF MUST BE PROPERLY TRAINED AND SUPERVISED. WE MUST HAVE SEVERE CONSEQUENCES FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH INTERNAL CONTROLS AND PROCEDURES. VOTERS NEED TO ELECT QUALIFIED COUNSEL PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO UPHOLD THEIR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON DOES NOT FILL THAT BILL. I'VE OBSERVED PETER'S BEHAVIOR SINCE I STARTED FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL IN 2020. PETER WIGLE WORMS AROUND SERIOUS ISSUES CALLING COMPASSION AND MAKING EXCUSES.
THAT DOG DOES NOT HUNT. THIS IS TAXPAYER MONEY THAT IS NOT BEING MANAGED PROPERLY BY THE CITY. WHEN CAN YOU GUYS ADMIT THAT? CITY MANAGER JAMES EARP YOU NEED TO MAKE GOOD ON YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT IMPLEMENTING SOUND CONTROLS ONES THAT ARE HARD TO BYPASS. PROPERLY ENFORCED. THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE DOG HUNT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [APPLAUSE]
[7.1. Emergency Preparedness Task Force Presentation (Tom Quoma)]
>> MAYOR: THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 7.1 EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE PRESENTATION. TOM QUOMA?
>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU ALL TODAY? MY NAME IS TOM QUOMA THE CHAIRMAN OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE. FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS I HAVE IN JUSTIFYING OUR EXISTENCE AND FINALLY, IT BRINGS ME TO STANDING HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO YOU. WHEN I WALK IN THIS ROOM I AM NOT A POLITICIAN. I AM NOT HERE TO SELL YOU A DREAM GET ELECTED TO ANY POST IN THE CITY NOR AM I A CITY EMPLOYEE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FAVOR ANY MANAGEMENT. I AM AN HONEST CITIZEN TRYING TO PUT FORTH PROGRAMS THAT PROTECT THE LIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT'S ALL MY FUNCTION IS. I DO THAT WITH THE GRACIOUS POWERS GRANTED US FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. THE
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FACT THAT A YEAR BEFORE OUR CHARTER IS UP OUR POWERS ARE TRYING TO BE TAKEN AWAY AND REMOVED IS SERIOUSLY CONCERNING. AND SHOULD CONCERN THE REST OF YOU. THE NEXT PART OF MY SPEECH WAS ALL ABOUT MONEY. GOOD JOB. YOU ASKED ME TO TRUST THE CITY MANAGERS TO DO THEIR JOBS. THEY WEREMISSING $193,000? >> MAYOR: I AM SORRY YOU HAVE TO STAY ON THINGS FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
>> SPEAKER: I AM MAKING A POINT. I WON'TWILL MAKE MY POINT IN A SECOND. YOU ASKED ME FOR THE CITY MANAGERS TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY. I HAVE ASKED YOU AND I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN TONIGHT TO PUT US IN PLACE TO EXPAND OUR AUTHORITY TO LOOK AT THE CITY PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ONLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HUTTO. I AM ASKING A LOT. SOME THINGS I'M ASKING FOR ARE IN SLIGHT CONTRAST TO WHAT STATE PROTOCOLS ARE. ESPECIALLY PROTOCOL - GIVE ME ONE SECOND I APOLOGIZE. PROTOCOL FOR 18 106 MUNICIPAL CODE. THAT PREVENTS THE CITY FROM PUBLISHING ITS EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN IN WHOLE TO WHERE THEY FEEL IT MIGHT COMPROMISE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB AT THAT TIME AND IT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING YOU TONIGHT FROM EMPOWERING MY COMMITTEE WHO ARE JUST GOOD-NATURED PEOPLE TRYING TO COME TO A CONCLUSION AND ALWAYS MAKING SURE THE BEST THING IS DONE FOR THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO.
WHEN YOU FAIL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE DIE. WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE ON THESE ISSUES AND NOT REACTIVE. I URGE YOU TO EXPAND US INTO A FULL COMMITTEE. GIVE US POWERS - NOT AT PUBLIC VIEW AT TIMES TO REVIEW EVERYTHING DONE BY THE NEW CITY ORDINANCE OF THE MANAGER AND HAVE US OVERLOOK THAT AND ONLY WHEN WE DIFFER IN OUR IDEAS SHOULD BECOME TO THE COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF WHAT'S BEING DONE. THAT IS FAIR. REASONABLE AND TRANSPARENT TO THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. IT IS LEGAL. I THOUGHT COUNSEL FROM STATE SENATOR AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TONIGHT TO PRODUCE THE LAW TO YOU TO SHOW YOU IT'S IN THE POWER OF YOU TO DO THIS AND IT'S THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE. IT IS ALL HERE. NO MAN WHO IS SO TALL THAT WHEN HE BENDS DOWN TO HELP OTHERS. THAT IS WHAT MY TASK FORCE DOES. THAT'S ALL WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND DO AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A PUSH TO GET RID OF US A YEAR EARLY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO YOU ARE ASKING ME TO TRUST THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I SHOWED YOU EXAMPLES OF WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE AND WHY WE SHOULD KEEP A TIGHTER REIN OF WHAT GOES ON HERE, RIGHT OR WRONG. IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY TO BE PROACTIVE NOT REACTIVE. AGAIN, I AM NOT A POLITICIAN. I DO NOT WALK IN HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT I CAN TO GET ELECTED I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN FOR THE CITY
OF HUTTO. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOM QUOMA . BECAUSE IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOM? THERE MAY BE OTHER BOARD
MEMBERS IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK - >> SPEAKER: ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THESE OPINIONS ARE MINE ALONE. I DID NOT ASK THE COUNCIL OR PEOPLE ON A TASK FORCE THEIR OPINION ON THIS.
IAM SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT AS A RETIRED EMS PERSON, RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN NEW YORK AS BEING INVOLVED IN 9/11. MY CREDENTIALS ARE UNQUESTIONED. I HEAR TO HELP THE CITY FOR FREE. ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL ARE HERE TO HELP THE CITY FOR FREE. THEY ARE GOOD HONEST PEOPLE TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITY OF HUTTO. THAT'S ALL IT DOES.
>> MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES, TOM, WHAT HAS CENSORED THE FORMATION
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OF THE TASK FORCE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR GOAL? WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED?>> SPEAKER: WE HELPED YOU TO SEE THE NEED TO HIRE A NEW CITY MANAGER. WE SHOWED YOU WE NEED EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLANS AND WE PUT THOSE PLANS BEFORE YOU AND WE SHOWED YOU THAT THE CITY, THE PEOPLE AT WORK FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO HAVE TO TAKE JUDGMENT COURSES TO MAKE SURE WE PUT SHELTERS IN PLACE FOR EMERGENCIES AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER AND COTS AND TO SET UP A SHELTER TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THESE THINGS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
MOST OF THESE THINGS WE RECOMMEND TO YOU ARE AT NO COST. WE LOOKED AT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS PLANS AND ONCE WE FOUND OUT IT WAS PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY WE ALL DROPPED THE PLAN. WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE $5000 IT ENDED UP BEING 400 AND CHANGE. NOT RESPONSIBLE SPENDING ON ANYONE'S BEHALF. WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO SETTING UP SIRENS FOR AN EARLY WARNING, RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK THAT ALL OUT. AT LEAST PRESENT TO YOU FROM POSSIBILITIES TO MAKE THE CITY SAFER AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE THEREFORE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE THEREFORE. IT IS AT YOUR DISCRETION. IF YOU DECIDE TODAY DON'T WANT TRANSPARENCY AND YOU DON'T WANT US TO HELP YOU ANYMORE WE ARE VOLUNTEERS AND WITH THE STROKE OF A PIN WE CAN ALL BE GONE BUT I URGE YOU TO LOOK INTO YOUR HEART TO SEE WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE AND NOT DO THAT TONIGHT. IN FACT MAKE US A COMMITTEE AND ALSO NOTHING UNDER THE LAW WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HOLDING ANNUAL AT MINIMUM ANNUAL THINGS TO REPORT THE PROGRESS OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE SAME ORDINANCE. SO FAR IN HISTORY OF HUTTO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU COME UP TO FIND THE RESEARCH.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CLARIFYING STATEMENT. THE DISSOLUTION OR EXPANSION OF THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THE ONLY THING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION FROM YOU ALL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS 9.2. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE ORIGINAL TASK FORCE EXPIRED JUNE 30.
>> MAYOR: I GUESS SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND SAY THEY WANT TO RESOLVE IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR
TOM? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID YOU DID MENTION SOMETHING, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS WANTED TO IMPLEMENT IS IN CONTRAST TO STATE ARTICLES. IS THAT SOMETHING
YOU- >> SPEAKER: NO. I CAN HAND YOU THE LAW BEFORE YOU WALK OUT I PRINTED IT SITTING OVER THERE. STATE PROTOCOL PROHIBITS US IN PUBLISHING TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE SAFETY OF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR ENTIRE PLAN. IF WE HAVE A MEETING ON THAT RESPECT MY TASK FORCE OR COMMITTEE OR WHOEVER WE TURN INTO AND NOT HOLD PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THAT BECAUSE IT DOES DO SOME THING. IT HURTS THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE IMPLEMENTING THOSE PLANS. WE ARE NOT ASKING TO CONTROL THE SITUATION. WE ARE NOT. WE ARE ASKING TO OVERSEE THINGS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN AND ENSURE THEY ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY. PEOPLE HAVE THEIR INPUT ON THESE PROGRAMS. FOR THREE YEARS ON THE PERSON WHO CAME TO THE COUNCIL AND STARTED THIS. PLEASE BELIEVE ME NOW WE STILL HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. WE ARE LOOKING OR YOUR GUIDANCE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER AND BE ABLE TO WATCH THINGS. THE THINGS WE ARE GETTING BACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RIDE ROUGHSHOD OVER THESE PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND WHERE WE DIFFER THE COUNCIL CAN MAKE FINAL APPROVAL. SO WHERE ARE YOUR EYES AND EARS? YOU HAVE WAY TOO MUCH ON YOUR PLATE RIGHT NOW. YOU DO. BY EMPOWERING US TO DO THIS YOU TAKE SOME OF THE CULPABILITY OUT OF YOUR HANDS A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE HONEST PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO LOOK AT THIS THING AND THINK OF WHAT IS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE. THAT IS ALL. WE HAVE NO POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS. WE HAVE NO INFLUENCE ON PEOPLE. WE HAVE
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NO EXPENDITURE TO MONEY UNLESS IT'S NECESSARY. WE ARE HERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT AND GIVE YOU A CLEAR PICTURE. PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE I THINK WE HAVE AN HONEST REPRESENTATION FOR THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO AND I THINK IT IS A VALUABLE RESOURCE WE CONTINUE TO USE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WAITING FOR TONIGHT,BASICALLY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I GUESS I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. THIS YEAR WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY MANAGER WHICH I GUESS IS THE OFFICIAL TITLE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. SO THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED THE PAST YEAR. HOW'S THE TASK FORCE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND THAT ASPECT WITH THIS NEW ROLE AS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT IS TASKED - LIKE HIS JOB IS TO CREATE PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THE CITY IS COVERED. HIS JOB IS MORE DETAILED THEN I UNDERSTAND.
>> SPEAKER: WHAT WE'VE MET WITH SO FAR IS HE DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED TO GET HIM HIRED. SERIOUSLY THE COUNCIL AND OURSELVES. WE BEEN MET WITH THE DISBANDMENT OF THE PROGRAM THE TASK FORCE ITSELF. IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE AT ODDS. IT
REALLY DOES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS THERE POTENTIAL TO WORK ALONGSIDE HIM? TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE TASK FORCE? >> SPEAKER: YES. IF YOU WANT TO, THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS TO COME TO US AND SEE WHAT IDEAS THERE ARE, TO SEE WHAT HE IS DOING. HE IS IN CHARGE OF IT. HE CAN ACCEPT THE INPUT OR NOT. WHEN LIFE IS ON THE LINE AND THINGS WILL DIFFER WE WILL COME TO YOU GUYS AND YOU CAN MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. AT LEAST WE CAN HIGHLIGHT THE DECISIONS FOR THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO AND THEIR LIVES. IS IT THE BEST RELATIONSHIP OF THE WORLD? WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER ON BOTH SIDES MYSELF INCLUDED. OKAY? WHEN YOU WALK INTO A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR THE CITY OF NEW YORK, IF YOU WALK INTO A ROOM AND HOPE YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU ASK FOR, YOU ARE A FOOL. YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO WALK INTO THE ROOM AND MEET IN THE MIDDLE. WE ARE. WHAT YOU ALSO HAVE TO TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOU OR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO HAVE POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF POWERS AND DUTIES IS IT BUDGET OVERSIGHT IN THAT DEPARTMENT IS SOMETHING YOU
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? >> SPEAKER: WHEN YOU FEEL THE LETTER IS NOT DONE PROPERLY AS I SAID BEFORE, WE WILL MAKE OUR CONCERNS KNOWN TO YOU BUT WE DO NOT WANT OVERSIGHT ON THAT.
IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PURVIEW ONLY AND WE CAN TELL YOU LISTEN, WE DON'T LIKE THIS. IT'S NOT IN THE PEOPLE'S BEST INTEREST AND IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO SPEND MONEY. WE ARE JUST POINTING IT OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
>> MAYOR: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I BIG THING IS I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK AND 9/11 IT'S AN ASSET TO HAVE YOU IN THE CITY. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS YOU ARE COMING FROM A CITIZEN WHERE WE DO HAVE STATE LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT YOU ARE NOT CERTIFIED FOR CERTIFICATIONS FOR IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SPEAKER: THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I WILL FINISH THIS FIRST PART AND GO ON TO THE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE I DID NOT MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. SO WHAT DID I DO? I WENT TO THE STATE SENATOR'S OFFICE AND ASKED THEIR OPINION OF WHERE WE STUMBLE AND THERE'S NO ROADBLOCK. WITH NOT BEING ABSOLUTELY PUBLIC WITH THESE
THINGS. >> MAYOR: WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS NOT THAT YOU ARE QUALIFIED BUT YOU ARE A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL WHERE IF WE EXPAND A LOT OF POWERS AND THEN YOU GO AWAY WE MAY NOT HAVE THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE ANY BUSINESS BEING IN THAT ROLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE 20 YEARS OF LOOKING FOR A PREMIER EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENT LIKE NEW YORK STATE OR NEW YORK CITY. THAT'S THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO LEVERAGE. NOT THAT YOU AREN'T A GOOD INDIVIDUAL BUT HOW ARE WE MAINTAINING THAT GOING FORWARD? THAT IS WHY WE HIRED A FULL-TIME EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT INSPECTOR. THAT WAY YOU HAVE CONTINUITY WITH GOVERNMENT RATHER THAN AN
ADVISORY BOARD. >> SPEAKER: THE ANSWER TO THAT
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IS IT SHOULD BE MY JOB AS THE CHAIRMAN TO GET EVERE DIFFERENC WE ARE ALL ASKED TO BE JURORS. YOU ARE ASKED TO BE A JURY.HOW MANY OF THE LAW DO NEED TO KNOW? MOST PEOPLE? TEXAS LAW, ANY LAW, IT IS MINIMAL, RIGHT? WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES IS - SHE IS BLIND BUT NOT DEAF AND DUMB. WHAT DO REASONABLE PEOPLE THINK SHOULD BE DONE IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES? THIS IS HOW JURIES ARE FORMED. THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE DECISIONS WITH THE JURY AND THAT'S HOW HE'S QUALIFIED. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS SORT OF TRUE BUT WE ASKED REGULAR PEOPLE TO DO EXTRAORDINARY THINGS WITH THE LAW AND SOMETIMES YOU COULD
DECIDE LIFE AND DEATH. >> MAYOR: IT IS LOOKING AT FACTS AFTER THEY HAVE OCCURRED. YOU ARE LOOKING CAN TIME ON A JUDGMENT TO SEE IF SOMEONE IS GUILTY OR NOT AND IF THEY VIOLATED THE LAW AT THAT TIME. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
ANYWAY. >> SPEAKER: LISTEN, WE ARE GOING TO DIFFER. MAY BE BILL KNOWS MORE THAN I DO AND WE CAN DIFFER. ISN'T THAT ABOUT GOOD AND TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT?
>> MAYOR: WE CANNOT HAVE OAKLANDOPEN CONVERSATIONS IN
PUBLIC. >> SPEAKER: WE CANNOT HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC THAT WE CAN BRING OUR CONCERNS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND DRIVE IT SO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SO YOU KNOW. YOU ARE THE ULTIMATE DECISION HERE. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, REGULAR PEOPLE CAN DO THIS AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVEN FEMA HAS THIS IN THEIR MANUALS. WHEN A BIG DISASTER HAPPENS, WHO DO YOU THINK ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO RESPOND TO THOSE DISASTERS? ANYBODY? THE PUBLIC. THAT'S CORRECT. THE MORE WE INFORM AND GET THE PUBLIC UP TO SPEED ON THIS AND HOW TO REACT YOUR BEST RESOURCE. THAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS IN OKLAHOMA CITY. NEW YORK CITY 9/11 THAT'S THE FIRST THING PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT. HAVING AN EDUCATED PUBLIC IS A TREMENDOUS ASSET AND WE ARE THE PUBLIC LOOKING AT THE STUFF AND WHAT I THINK IS REASONABLE TO US IN THE PUBLIC IS REASONABLE FOR EVERYBODY AND IS IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST. HERE'S THE THING I'M NOT SELLING YOU A DREAM WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING I'M NOT LYING TO YOU.
THE BEST THING TO DO IS PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND DO OUR BEST BUT WE WILL NOT BE 100 PERCENT ALL THE TIME. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT IS A PIE-IN-THE-SKY DREAM. WE CAN DO OUR BEST BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER EMERGENCIES ARE LIVING BREATHING THINGS THAT CAN CHANGE AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE DURING THE EVENT BUT SOMEONE SHOULD LOOK AT IT DURING THE EVENT TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE THE LOSS OF OUR CITIZENS. THAT IS REASONABLE AND REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN DO THAT FOR THE PEOPLE OF HUTTO WITH THE
WILLINGNESS. >> MAYOR: THANK YOU.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE COUNCIL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MATTHEW SILVEY I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL READ THAT.
THESE UNABLE TO ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETING WE DID RECEIVE THAT AND I BELIEVE THIS DONNA JONES IS HERE. DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE - YOUR INVOLVEMENT?
>> SPEAKER: SHOULD THIS BE READ INTO THE RECORD BY
SOMEONE? >> MAYOR: LET'S DO THIS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
>> NO SIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS THAT
OKAY? >> MAYOR: IF YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT? >> SPEAKER: SURE. FIRST OF ALL I DID NOT PLAN TO SPEAK. I CANNOT CITE ANY LAWS LIKE TOM HAS BUT I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EMERGENCY TASK FORCE TO BECOME A COMMITTEE BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME GREAT BENEFITS TO THE CITY. I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME INFERENCING IN OPINIONS BETWEEN TOM AND BILL. THAT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS. BILL, I FEEL THAT, YES, THE TASK FORCE IS
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APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD FOLLOW UNDER HIM FOR HIS GUIDANCE AND HOW WE SHOULD GO. HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN AREAS HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE CHARGE OF, BE A BIG PART OF IS THE I STAT AND STEERS COMMITTEE. I KNOW, MYSELF, WHAT STEERS COMMITTEE IS, IT BASICALLY IS LIKE BOOTS ON THE GROUND WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY TO MAKE SURE OUR NEIGHBORS, COUSINS AND FRIENDS ARE TAKING CARE OF. THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BE A PART OF AND I CANNOT NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR MATT SELBY BUT I FEEL LIKE I AM CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IT SOME INC THAT HE WANTS TO BE A PART OF YOUR WITH THAT SAID I KNOW THERE'S A VALUE TO MAKING THIS COMMITTEE AS LONG AS WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DEPARTMENT AND CITY COUNCIL.SO, I DO FEEL THAT EVERYBODY THAT IS ON THIS TASK WORSE DOES HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF HUTTO IN MIND OR WE WOULD NOT BE SERVING ON IT. AGAIN, THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. I FEEL I WOULD LIKE US TO BE A COMMITTEE.
>> MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DONNA?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR TOM FOR YOU. WHAT HAVE YOU ACCOMPLISHED IN THE SHORT-TERM OR WHATEVER YOU GOT STARTED IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OF BEING A TASK FORCE? WHAT WERE SOME THINGS I GUESS GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED MORE TIME TO
ACHIEVE? >> SPEAKER: ONE THING THAT TOM MENTIONED WE WERE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT WAS THE CLUSTER DECK, A WAY FOR THERE TO BE COMMUNICATION TO THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO IF A TRAIN IS STUCK, DON'T GO THIS WAY, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON, OR A TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND. OR IF THERE IS AN ELDERLY PERSON. I HAVE NO ELECTRICITY, I AM AT THIS ADDRESS, AWAY FOR COMMUNICATION FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE TASK FORCE WOULD BE A PART OF TWO HAVE THOSE DEVICES TO WEAR.
WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO GIVE THIS PERSON HELP. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE AND THEN WE GOT SOMEONE ON BOARD. BILL WAS HIRED AND MAYBE SAW THINGS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION GOOD OR BAD. MAYBE HE SAID OKAY WE CAN TAKE THIS A DIFFERENT WAY AND LIKE TOM MENTIONED HE BE THE COST WAS A LOT MORE THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. SO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TRYING TO GET IMPLEMENTED AND I FELT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD FOR THE CITY BUT NOW I SEE THAT YOU ARE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I THINK THE SPIRIT IN WHICH THIS TASK FORCE WAS FORMED IS STILL THERE. WE WANT TO HELP AND WE WANT TO BE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO HELP THOSE IN NEED FOR WHAT THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. WE WANT TO
BE A HELP AND NOT A HINDRANCE. >> MAYOR: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DONNA? THANK YOU DONNA. I WILL READ ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER SENT AN EMAIL TO US AND HE SAID, GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS MATTHEW SELBY AND I SIT ON THE TASK FORCE FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. I CANNOT ATTEND DUE TO BEING ON DUTY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THURSDAY FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE ARE GOING TO PRESENT. I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS ON THE TASK FORCE AND WHAT I WOULD PRESENT TO YOU ALL IN PERSON. IT'S WE STARTED WE ARE GOING GREAT AND ONCE BILL IS HIRED ON WE WOULD SHIFT TO WHAT HIS VISIONS WERE FOR US AND THAT STILL MY THINKING TODAY BUT NOT THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD ON THE TASK FORCE I KNOW IN MY MIND WE SHOULD WORK HAND-IN-HAND WITH BILL TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENS. WITH THE CURRENT CHAIR ON THE TASK FORCE IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I BID THAT THE CHAIR NEED TO BE CHANGED OR THE TASK FORCE DISSOLVED BECAUSE WE COULD DO BETTER THEN THE CURRENT CHAIR PRESENT. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAD THE VOLUNTEER GROUP WE TALKED ABOUT AND WITH THE CURRENT JOB AS LIEUTENANT IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT I KNOW I CAN HELP BILL OUT A TON BUT I CANNOT DO THAT IF THE TASK FORCE CHAIR IS STILL IN PLACE. SOMETHING MUST CHANGE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO ASSIST THE CITIZENS. THANK YOU. I AM
OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR: WE CANNOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS. BUT UNLESS WE HAD QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL WE WILL
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MOVE ON FROM THIS AND THEN WE WILL PUT THIS BACKUP WHEN WE GO TO 9.2. ARE THERE ANY OTHER TASK FORCE MEMBERS PRESENT?[8.1. Conduct a public hearing and possible action on FY 2024 Proposed Budget that is posted on the City website (James Earp]
HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION FISCAL YEAR 2024 POST BUDGET THAT IS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. DO YOU WANT ME TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND LET THEM SPEAK AND CLOSE AFTERWARDS? WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS?>> MAYBE HAVE SOMEONE INTRODUCE THE ITEM?
>> MAYOR: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JAMES EARP CITY MANAGER. THERE'S NOT PRESENTATION IT WAS LAST MEETING. TONIGHT IS ABOUT ALLOWING CITIZENS TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO HAVE THEIR REACTIONS TO WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN, HEARD OR RESEARCHED AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN TO DISCUSS AMONGST THEMSELVES TO BEGIN OR TAKE ACTION FROM PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE
PROPOSED BUDGET. >> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:40 1 PM. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD WISH TO DISCUSS TAXES, SPENDING, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:41. I GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT? ITEM 8.2. -
[8.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2023-176 calling and setting up a public hearing on September 7, 2023, at 7:00 PM on the proposed tax rate for fiscal year 2023-2024 and determining the proposed tax rate to be included in the hearing notice (Anne LaMere)]
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET ON EIGHT .1 OR WAS THAT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS POSTED AS A POSSIBLE ACTION SO YOU COULD DISCUSS PROVIDED DIRECTION.
>> MAYOR: WE COULD ALSO DISCUSS ON 8.2.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN DISCUSS ON 8.1 AND 8.2.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN WE DISCUSS THE BUDGET ON THE TAX
RATE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DO WE HAVE TO OPEN BOTH OR CAN WE COMBINE THEM AND TALK ABOUT BOTH? TO TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO SPEND
MONEY HERE AND. >> MAYOR: 8.2 CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION R- 2023-176 CALLING AND SETTING UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 7, TO 23 AT 7 PM ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 AND DETERMINING PROPOSED TAX RATE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE HEARING NOTICE. GOOD EVENING ANNE LAMERE.
>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING, ANNE LAMERE FINANCE DIRECTOR, CITY OF HUTTO. YOU ARE ASKING TO PROPOSE A TAX RATE AND THAT PROPOSED TAX RATE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE PRESS. IT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED, IT WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND THAT WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC INFORMATION THEY NEED TO DETERMINE IF THEY WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 7. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THE TAX RATE OR THE BUDGET. THE BUDGET WAS CREATED USING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE WHICH IS $0.40. WHICH IS TO SENSE LOWER THAN THE CURRENT TAX RATE.
>> MAYOR: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANNE, OR THE CITY MANAGER: ALL RIGHT. WHILE THEY COME UP WITH QUESTIONS I CAN SAY A COUPLE SENTENCES TO GET THINGS GOING. THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR WORKING HARD TO PRESENT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD THIS PRESENTED AS NO NEW REVENUE. IF WE CHOOSE TO ADOPT THAT AT SOME POINT AND WE ARE POSTING THE PAPER THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME POTENTIALLY ON OUR NOT TO EXCEED RATE THAT IT WOULD BE A TAX INCREASE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE ENDED UP SETTLING ON IT. I APPRECIATE THE WORK.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MOVE AROUND TO SPEND MONEY DIFFERENTLY BUT IT IS NOT UP TO ME TO RAISE.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. I MUST SAY IT WAS AN EFFORT FROM PRACTICALLY EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. ALL THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS SUBMITTED THEIR BUDGET AND WE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHO WAS VERY HARD ON EVERY DIRECTOR AND CUT THE BUDGETS. OUR CITY MANAGER WORKED TIRELESSLY MANY HOURS
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INTO THE NIGHT ON HOLIDAYS, ON WEEKENDS, CUTTING THE BUDGET SO WE CAN GET TO KNOW NEW REVENUE. I BELIEVE JUST OF OUR DIRECTORS ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT IS IN THEIR BUDGET AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR WHAT IS IN THEIR BUDGET. I CAN'T TELL YOU, THIS IS THE LAST BUDGET THAT I WILL PREPARE. IT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST BUDGET THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY 40 YEAR CAREER. AND I THINK YOU. [APPLAUSE] PLEASE STAND IF YOU PARTICIPATED. I EXPECT ALL COUNSEL TO BE STANDING BECAUSE THEY SET THE STRATEGY AND THE CITIZENS FOR THE WORKSHOP, I CAN SEE YOU SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU. IT WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AND MORE. SO, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AND A SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO DAVID ANSELL OR. DAVID, CAN YOU STAND? TODAY DAVE IS THE HERO. PLEASE STAND. ETHAN, ARE YOU IN THE ROOM? THESE THREE GUYS DID AN AWFUL LOT OF THE LEGWORK WITH SOFTWARE AND PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER WITH MAKING THE CHANGES, RUNNING SCENARIOS AND CALCULATIONS AND MAKING IT ALLHAPPEN SO, THANK YOU. >> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I KNOW WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT USING THE ONLINE COUNSEL FORM TO PUT AROUND IDEAS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND TO WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET? I WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS
BUT ANYONE ELSE IS WELCOME TO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE THAT WILL PROBABLY CHANGE FOR THE BUDGET WILL TAKE LATER ACTION ITEMS MAY BE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS CLARIFYING BECAUSE I DID LOOK AT PLAN THAT WE DID THE SATURDAY WORKSHOP ON. THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CIP PLAN THAT I GUESS MAYBE I AM UNCLEAR. IT IS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AS TO IF IT'S GOING TO BE A CIP ITEM OR GENERAL FUND ITEM. AND SO, WHENEVER WE GET THIS BIG LIST I HAVE IT STILL FROM SATURDAY. THERE WERE A FEW ITEMS AND I GUESS ITEMS I'M TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE FENCING, THE PARKS TENNIS COURTS, THE UTILITY VEHICLE BOOM LIFT, AND THE SECURITY CAMERAS. THOSE FOUR ITEMS, I AM UNCLEAR IF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CIP ITEMS OR GENERAL FUND IN THE DEPARTMENT ITEM.
>> SPEAKER: CIP MEANS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DID ANY ITEM GREATER THEN $10,000 IS CONSIDERED CAPITAL YARD THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM AND THAT IS WHY IT IS IN THE CAPITAL PLAN. IN TERMS OF HOW THAT ITEM WILL BE FINANCED THAT IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION. I HAVE A SEPARATE SPREADSHEET THAT TELLS ME WHICH ONES ARE BEING FINANCED WITH 2019 BONDS, 2022 BONDS, 2023 BONDS AND WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A BOND ISSUE LIKE FOR FRITZ PARK. OUT OF THE PARK ITEMS FRITZ PARK IS THE ONLY ITEM BEING FINANCED OR RECOMMENDED FINANCED WITH A BOND. THE OTHER ITEMS ARE BEING PAID THROUGH A BENEFIT FEE, PARK IMPROVEMENT FUNDS OR GENERAL FUNDS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE P&Z HAD RECOMMENDED THE DEPARTMENT
BUDGET? RIGHT? >> MAYOR: AGAIN THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REMEMBER -SORRY MANAGER. AS I SAID ON THAT SATURDAY ONCE THE COUNCIL DETERMINED WHAT THE PRIORITY LIST WERE IT'S UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROPOSE FUNDING FOR THOSE THINGS. SOME OF THEM LIKE SHE SAID ARE BEING PAID FOR BY BOND AND THAT'S THE BIG PARK LIFT. THE OTHER PARK ITEMS SPECIFICALLY OR PREDOMINANTLY IN THE SPECIAL FUNDS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY COULD NOT BE MOVED OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND BUT TO DO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT OR INCREASE THE TAX RATE. ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
>> SPEAKER: I WILL MAKE A NOTE TO SEND COUNSEL MY LIST TO SHOW THE FUNDING FOR EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE SOURCE 'S COUNSEL'S PREROGATIVE TO DO SO. THIS IS
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A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO GET TO THE NO NEWREVENUE BUDGET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR: ONE MORE THING FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME WE WILL REPEAT IT WE ARE NOT THERE YET BUT THE NEXT PHASE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOFTWARE MAKE IT SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE YOU SEE THE CAPITAL ITEM YOU CAN LICK ON IT AND IT WILL SHOW YOU ON THAT PAGE WHAT PERCENT IS BEING PAID FOR FROM WHICH BOND, WHAT FUNDING SOURCE, GENERAL FUND, UTILITY FUND, WHAT HAVE YOU, IT WILL ALL BE THERE AND ABLE TO BE SEEN. WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE SOFTWARE. WE HAVE THE DATA IT'S JUST
GETTING IT ROLLED OUT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R- -2023 -176 ON SEPTEMBER 7, 2023 AT 7 PM FOR PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 23-2024 OF $0.40 AND TURNING THE PROPOSED TAX RATE TO BE APPROVED AND PROPER NOTICE AND MEETING AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND.
>> MAYOR: MOTION BY MAYOR SCHNEIDER SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE TO THIS DEAL IS I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH 39 NEW POSITIONS I THINK IT'S A LOT OF POSITIONS TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT. I THINK THOSE POSITIONS WERE COMPETING THE - MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. A COUPLE OF POSITIONS WE ARE HEATING WITH NONPROFITS ON AND ONE THAT IS VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT BEEN KEPT IN CHECK AND ONLY BEING AS BIG AS IT NEEDS TO BE AND ONLY FINDING REASONS TO GET FIGURE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING BIGGER. OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE ON ROADRHODES, SIDEWALKS, INFRASTRUCTURE AND IF SOMEHOW YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW TO FUND $1 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS THE NEXT FEARS FEEL LIKE WE CAN EXPAND SOME THINGS WE DO BUT I WILL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE FORM COMING UP WHEN WE HAVE THE TALKS WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL A VOTE.
>> SPEAKER: COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, NAY, COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT, AYE, MAYOR SNYDER, N?E, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, N?E, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, - IT IS REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE I WANT TO BE AT NO NEW REVENUE AND I WOULD LIKE A DISCUSSION WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET DOES EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR VOTED FOR A RATE OF NO NEW REVENUE AT THE ADOPTION.
>> MAYOR: THIS IS JUST A POINT ORDER THE DISCUSSION HAS ENDED IT'S A YEA OR NAY AT THIS POINT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NAY. >> MAYOR: I'M SORRY?
>> SPEAKER: COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?.
[9.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments]
>> MAYOR: IMPASSES. AND 9.1 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENT, REAPPOINTMENTS, AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASKFORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, GOOGLE GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT INVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, COUNSEL LIAISONS AND GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. DID YOU MEET?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WERE NOT. ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEET QUARTERLY AND IT IS NOT A RUSH. WE WILL WORK ON THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE LIBRARY BOARD MR. LAST MEETING GOOD I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY ARE ABLE TO MEET SOON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE BUT I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST ONE BOARD MEMBER WHO EXPRESSED TO ME HE WAS DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE HE WANTED TO WORK ON SOME STUFF.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE JUST GOT ONE APPLICATION TODAY. YES, I
AGREE. >> MAYOR: DO WE HAVE ANY
[9.2. Consideration and possible action regarding Emergency Preparedness Task Force (Mayor Mike Snyder)]
ACTION FROM COUNSEL REGARDING BOARD SUBMISSION? RIGHT. 9.2[00:55:04]
CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION GUARDING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE. I BROUGHT THIS UP TO MEETINGS AGO BECAUSE I INCORRECTLY THOUGHT IT WAS COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON WHO ORIGINALLY BROUGHT UP THE IDEA AND THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK TO DISCUSS THAT WE MISSED THE MEETING AND SO IT IS BACK ON HERE NOW FOR US TO DISCUSS.I WILL SAY THAT IT MAY SCARE SOME PEOPLE AND IT MAY NOT.
THOSE UNDERSTAND WE ARE TALKING STATE LAWS AND DISASTER BITS.
THE BILL IS FROM THE CITY BUT HE IS NOT IN CHARGE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AS A DIRECTOR. BILL IS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR THIS COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY SHORTLY AFTER HIRING BILL DESIGNATED WILL AS A PERSON - I DON'T KNOW THE SEMANTICS BUT I AM ABLE TO SAY BILL, TAKE CARE OF THIS BECAUSE HALF THE PUBLIC OUT THERE WOULD BE SCARED TO DEATH IF ALL OF A SUDDEN I WAS CALLING THE SHOTS ON THAT SO WE PICKED THE PERSON WHO HAD TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE. SO, HE IS THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT DISSOLVING IT. I THINK ONCE THE FIRST QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP EVERYBODY STARTED FREAKING OUT AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO BE READY FOR A COMMITTEE IF IT NEEDS TO STAY AS A TASK FORCE OR VOLUNTEER FORCE THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF THINGS. WHATEVER WE DO AT THE END OF THE DAY IT GOT TO COME DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY ME IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. AND HIS EMPLOYMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR THE TRAINING OR THE TIME IT TAKES FOR BILL OR OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT HIRE. SO THAT IS ALL I'VE GOT FOR THE TASK FORCE. WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF YOU ALL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: JUST TO BE CLEAR WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT EXPIRED ON JUNE 30 THE ENTIRE TASK FORCE WAS SET TO SUNSET AUTOMATICALLY JUNE 30 AND THAT'S ALL I SAID DURING THE MEETING. I SAID IF IT'S DISSOLVED WE SHOULD DISSOLVE IT YOU SAID NOT AT THAT TIME BUT AT A FUTURE MEETING WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND THAT IS WHY IT HAS YOUR NAME ON IT FROM A DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED TO DISSOLVE IT. WANT TO CLARIFY I'M JUST READING WHAT THE DATES WERE OF ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND VACANCIES WE HAVE AND THAT WAS THAT THE TWO-YEAR TASK FORCE THAT ENDED JULY 1. AS FAR AS ANYTHING ELSE, IT IS ACTUALLY DISSOLVED. AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T THINK THOSE EXPIRATION DATES ARE RIGHT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE IT HAD A STAGGERING EXPIRATION DATE AND I THINK THOSE DATES WERE SET.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: OKAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WITH WHAT WE HEARD HERE TONIGHT I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THERE WASN'T AN ACTUAL PRESENTATION GIVEN. I WOULD'VE LOVED TO SEE BASED ON WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAID AND WHAT TASK FORCE STARTED OUT TO ACCOMPLISH, WHAT THEY ACCOMPLISHED, WHAT THEY DIDN'T. I THINK MISS DONNA GAVE A GREAT OVERVIEW OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SET OUT TO DO WITH THEIR WINS AND THE CHALLENGES REPRESENTED. I DO SEE SOME SORT OF NEED FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BE EITHER A COMMISSION OR A BOARD BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN MAKING IT A BOARD OR A COMMISSION IS THAT THEY OPERATE AND THEY ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MANAGER /DIRECTOR HERE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO WHICH IS BILL ZITO. THAT IS WHERE WE GET ALL OF OUR INFORMATION FROM IS BILL. SO HAVING VOLUNTEERS - I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS THAT BILL KNOWS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED TO US AS CITIZENS AND STAFF. AND SO, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING THIS GO TO A BOARD BUT I DO THINK THAT THE VERBIAGE, THE
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RESTRICTIONS HAVE TO BE MADE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DIVISION OF THE CITY OF HUTTO HAS EYES ON. NOT NECESSARILY, I DON'T WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE ON THEIR PLATE AS FAR AS WHAT THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF BUT ANYTHING THAT COMES TO THIS BOARD OR COMMISSION HAS TO GO TO THEM FIRST AND THEY APPROACH CITY COUNCIL WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. I STILL THINK BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS SHOULD LET US KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS FAR AS THE GOALS THEY SET BUT I DO THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RECTOR.>> MAYOR: I AM IN AGREEMENT. I THINK IS I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PERMANENT BOARD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THAT THE BOARD CAN DO HERE IN MY FEELING IS IT SHOULD ACT IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY EXACTLY THE SAME WAY OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FUNCTION THEY ARE ADVISORY BOARDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WORK IN FULL SUPPORT AND CONJUNCTION WITH WHATEVER DEPARTMENT THEY ARE TIED TO AND THAT IS A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER. I LOOK AT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, PLANNING AND ZONING. PARKS IN THE LIBRARY. ALL OF THEM WERE CLOSELY WITH THEIR STAFF COUNTERPART. SOMETIMES IT IS THE BOARD THAT BRINGS IDEAS AND PRESENTATIONS TO THE STAFF MEMBERS AND SOMETIMES THE STAFF THAT BRINGS IT TO THE BOARD AND THEY DISCUSS IT AND TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND IT TO COUNSEL OR NOT. SOMETIMES WE GET PRESENTATIONS THAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDED ON A VOTE OF 7-0 OR 6-1. STAFF WANTS TO DO IT AND MOST TIMES THEY ARE IN ALIGNMENT AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE NOT. IT IS UP FOR US TO DECIDE. I MET WITH TOM AND I SAID THAT'S WHERE MY STANCE IS AND THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS DESERVES TO BE A BOARD BUT ALSO WORKS SIMILARLY TO HOW OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FUNCTION. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THEY CAN DO. OTHER
DISCUSSIONS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PERMANENT ORDERED IN SOME FASHION I KNOW WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT LINES UP WHAT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SO WE NEED TO SEE A PROPOSAL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT IT TO NT IT TO BE. WORKING WITH STAFF EFFECTIVELY IS IMPORTANT. DISAGREEING WITH STAFF IS FINE JUST IN A PRODUCTIVE MANNER AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS PRODUCTIVELY. DINO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE TOPIC AND WHAT TO SERVE THE CITY AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND ALLOW THAT TO BE A THING TO MOVE THE CITY
FORWARD. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M NOT QUITE READY FOR IT TO BE A BOARD OR COMMISSION. BEFORE I GET THERE WHAT I REALLY NEED IS A WORKSHOP WHERE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR AND THE CITY MANAGER ABLE TO PRESENT WHAT THEY ENVISION THEY ARE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE US JUST SAYING WE WANT TO DO A BOARD WE HAVE NOT HEARD REALLY IS THAT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO OR IF WE ARE MAKING A BOARD WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT POWERS WILL IT HAVE OR NOT HAVE AN OBVIOUSLY THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO, AS A COUNSEL WE CAN AGREE, DISAGREE OR SET THE STANDARD. I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SEE EVERY ASPECT OF IT AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE. I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT BOARD THAN PLANNING AND ZONING BECAUSE PLANNING AND ZONING A LOT OF IT THERE IS STATUTORILY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO OR THE CHARTER THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIBRARY BOARD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DIRECTING FOR THE LIBRARY AND WHAT BOOKS TO PUT ON THE SHELF WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE LIBRARY FUND BUT I THINK THAT CAME FROM SOMEONE ON THE LIBRARY BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I CAN VOTE TO MAKE IT FROM TASK FORCE TO A BOARD OR COMMISSION AND LASTLY I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY MANAGER WHEN SHE MAKE IT A BOARD OR COMMISSION NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE NEED TO KEEP RECORDS AND POST MEETINGS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE NO OFFENSE TO THE CITY SECRETARY BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM THERE AS HE IS ALREADY AT MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND EVERY TIME WE WORK IN THE EVENING WE BURNED OUT SEVERAL
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CITY SECRETARIES IN THE PAST BY HAVING MEETINGS AFTER MEETINGS.WOULD LIKE A WHOLE PLAN FOR THE CITY MANAGER FOR WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IF WE DO ADD ANOTHER POSITION TO THE DEPARTMENT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE AGAIN WE CAN MAKE A BOARD AND HIRE SOMEBODY AND PLANS CHANGE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF DRAFT AN ORDINANCE OR A FIRST DRAFT MAKING THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TASK FORCE INTO A BOARD.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL SECOND THAT. I WANT TO CLARIFY IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO BASICALLY DIRECT THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH WHAT A BOARD COULD LOOK LIKE AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRESENT IT AT A FUTURE
WORKSHOP. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I AM GOOD
WITH THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK AN ORDINANCE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MUCH. A PROPOSAL FOR HOW IT WILL WORK AND THEN WE TURN WHATEVER WE AGREE ON INTO AN
ORDINANCE. >> MAYOR: I AGREE WITH THAT AND SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IF WE MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE NOW THEY COULD MAKE IT AN ORDINANCE AND COME BACK AND BLOW IT UP. IF WE MEET FIRST AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND THEY PRESENT AN ORDINANCE SHOULD FLOW BETTER. I WOULD BE IN
SUPPORT OF THIS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR, MAY I HAVE THE FLOOR FOR A MOMENT? SO I THINK THE NOTION OF WORK SHOPPING THERE'S A LOT OF WISDOM IN THAT SO WE CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HASH IT OUT FOR THE EXACT REASONS YOU ARE STATING. THE ORDINANCE TRYING TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE WE HAVE TO PICK A PLACE AND HALF OF YOU MAY AGREE AND HALF OF YOU MADE DISAGREE AND THAT JUST CAUSES UNNEEDED ARGUMENTS. SO IN THAT REGARD I THINK THE WORK SHOPPING IT AND HAVING AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU WANT TO LAND. I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCE WITH THIS GROUP AND THEIR EXPOSURE AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE MOBILIZED AND TO BE ASSISTING IN VOLUNTEERING EFFORTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. I THINK THERE WOULD BE UNIQUE THINGS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS CERTAINLY UNIQUE TRAINING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. I REALLY LIKE THE CONCEPT. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT AS A POINT OF PRIVILEGE AND SAY PART OF MY JOB IS WHENEVER PEOPLE SAY THINGS ABOUT ME WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR NOT TRUE SIT AND LET THAT HAPPEN BUT ALSO WHENEVER TOM SAID THAT BILL IS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE IT WAS SAID PUBLICLY. THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN NAMES THAT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL. BY LAW, SO ON AND SO FORTH. IF IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS YES WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT TO CITIZENS, PUBLIC OR WHATEVER ELSE. YOU AS THE MAYOR HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT INFORMATION AND THAT IS ONE. THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS IF THE BOARD FOR ANY DIVISION EVER FEELS LIKE THERE STAFF MEMBER IS NOT BEHAVING PROPERLY OR WORKING WITH THEM PROPERLY ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LET ME KNOW. EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN IS OPPOSITE OF THAT AND THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT ARE TRUE THAT WE ARE NOT DISCLOSING. I JUST WANT TO SAY ON RECORD THAT OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER COORDINATOR IS TRANSPARENT.
>> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE FRIENDLY AMENDED MOTION THAT MOST OF YOU ALL HAD WAS TO DIRECT STAFF TO SET UP A WORKSHOP AND FROM THERE, FROM THE WORKSHOP WE CAN DIRECT THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROPOSALS BROUGHT TO US FOR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. A STARTING POINT FROM SCRATCH SO WE COULD HAVE THE FRAMEWORK TO START THE
DISCUSSION. >> MAYOR: AND WE DO THAT CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE TASK FORCE IS MADE AWARE OF IT SO
THEY CAN ATTEND AS WELL? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES.
>> MAYOR: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? CAN YOU PLEASE
CALL A VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT,
COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, >> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES
[10.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-057 amending the Hutto Code of Ordinances, Appendix A, Fee schedule, Article A1.000 Development services, engineering and construction, Sec. A1.003, Subdivision fees and A.1005, Site plan fees (First Reading) (Matt Rector)]
7-0. NEXT ITEM 10.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE[01:10:04]
ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 0- 2023-057 AMENDING THE HUTTO CODE OF ORDINANCES APPENDIX A FEE SCHEDULE ARTICLE A1 DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION SECTION A1.003 SUBDIVISION FEES AND 8.1005. WRITE PLAN FEES.>> SPEAKER: THAT EVENING COUNSEL ITEM BEFORE YOU IS IN RESPONSE TO THE HOUSE BILL 3492 THAT WILL BECOME STATE LAW IN SEPTEMBER. ON SEPTEMBER 1. BASICALLY WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID WITH SAID CITIES CAN NO LONGER MAKE FEES BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MOST OF OUR ENGINEERING AND PLAN REVIEW FEES WERE PASTE ON THESE PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS SO THIS ITEM IS BASICALLY REVISING THAT SO IT'S NO LONGER BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE AND WE WOULD BE BACK IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STATE LAW THAT
GOES INTO EFFECT NEXT MONTH. >> MAYOR: QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? ANY ACTION FROM THIS ONE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE OH-2023-057.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND. >> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THAT IS FOR 0-2023-057 AS PRESENTED
DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. >> SPEAKER: NOT ON THIS I WAS GOING TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THIS IS ONE THAT WE CANNOT DISPENSE? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT DOES SAY THAT ON THEIR THE FEE ORDINANCES ARE PENALTY BASED IF THEY DON'T PAY THE FEE SO WE
HAVE TO HAVE THE TWO READINGS. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE
THESE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT, MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON, COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.
>> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES 7-0 NEXT WE HAVE ITEM - 10.2.
[10.2. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-058 creating a Street Maintenance Fee (Matt Rector)]
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER 0-2023-058 TREATING A STREET MAINTENANCE FEE.>> SPEAKER: MAYOR AND COUNCIL THIS ITEM WAS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM COUNSEL AFTER THE LAST MEETING AUGUST 3 MEETING WAS FOR US TO PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE THAT COULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION AND CREATE THIS STREET MAINTENANCE FEE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING POSSIBILITIES TO HANDLE STREET EIGHT MEN'S, CONSTRUCTION AND BACK KIND OF STUFF. WE HAVE GONE OUT AND LOOK TO HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT AND IN YOUR PACKET WE HAVE SEEN SAMPLE CITIES WE LOOKED AT AUSTIN, TAYLOR, CALIN, AT COLLEGE STATION I THINK THERE WERE ONE OR TWO OTHERS I CANNOT THINK ABOUT IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE PUT THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER AND THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR THIS 20 BEYOND WHAT I ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED. I DID NOT WANT A TIERED SYSTEM FOR ALL THE OTHER USES I WANTED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE WITH RESIDENTIAL ONE FLAT FEE COMMERCIAL ONE FLAT FEE AND NOT GET IT OVERLY COMPLICATED. AB IN THE FUTURE IT MAKES MORE SENSE. SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT AND WE JUST FIGURED OUT WHERE -CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH YOUR PROPOSED FLAT RATE VERSUS WHERE WE MIGHT GO?
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> SPEAKER: THE FLAT RATE BASICALLY LOOKED AT THE PCI STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY I'M SORRY ALL THE ACRONYMS ARE RUNNING TOGETHER.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ROAD IMPROVEMENT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NOBODY KNOWS.[LAUGHTER] RES. THANK
YOU RICK. >> SPEAKER: THE PCI STUDY THAT THEY DID THEY HAD MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU GUYS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IF ARE DOING $5000 PER YEAR OR 750 OR WHATEVER. WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IF YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE STUDY WAS TO STAY WHERE WE ARE. WE NEED TO SPEND $1.20 MILLION PER YEAR ON OUR ROAD SO WE DID IT QUICK CALCULATION AND SAID WE HAVE THIS MANY ACTIVE UTILITY ACCOUNTS IN THE CITY AND WE NEED TO SPEND $1.2 MILLION JUST
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TO STAY WHERE WE ARE AND THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM THAT WE RECOMMEND WE BASICALLY SAY THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS $1.2 MILLION IS SIMPLE MATH AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE FLAT RATE AND THE TIERED STRUCTURE WAS BECAUSE - IT'S PROBABLY MY ENGINEER BRAIN AND WENT TO THE MOST COMPLICATED PROGRAM I COULD THINK OF. I CAME UP WITH THIS TIERED STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT USES AND THEY COULD GENERATE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC AND COUNCIL WON'T WANT SOME THAT IS ->> COUNCIL MEMBER: DON'T APOLOGIZE, STAY IN THE MINDSET.
>> SPEAKER: WE DIDN'T WANTED TO BE COMPLICATED DON'T NEED A DEGREE IN MATHEMATICS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. SO THAT IS ME. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY REVISE THE TIERED PROGRAM TO ANSWER QUESTION THAT HOW WE DID IT 1.2 MILLION ACTIVE ACCOUNTS THAT SHOULD BE THE FLAT RATE TO GET THAT $1.2 MILLION.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS CLEAR ON THE AMOUNT PAID $8.32 FOR RESIDENTIAL BUT NEVER GETS TO COMMERCIAL IT GETS CONFUSING.
IT IS UNKNOWN AS TO HOW MUCH THE CITY CAN COLLECT ON THIS.
WITH THIS ITEM I ACTUALLY SEE THIS FEE I SEE IT AS AN ADDITIONAL TAX ON THE CITY OF HUTTO RESIDENTS WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT A FEE OR TAX IS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM TO YOUR BILL. SO, IF WE WERE JUST TO TAKE THE DOLLARS$0.33 THAT YOU GET MONTHLY ON YOUR CITY OF HUTTO BILL HAVE ROUGHLY 12,500 RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS AT THE CITY WHICH WILL GENERATE 1.25 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE YEAR FOR THE CITY FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. IT IS A FEE FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. IT WILL BE $1.25 MILLION TAKEN FROM PEOPLE. THIS IS WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT IS BEING PRESENTED ON A BILL THAT IS FOR SERVICES. WASTEWATER AND TRASH ARE ALL SERVICES.
THIS RIGHT HERE FALLS IN LINE WITH THE TAX ON MY OPINION. IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IN THE CIP PROJECT. RIGHT NOW IN STREET MAINTENANCE IN OUR BUDGET WE HAVE $675,000 IF WE NEEDED 1.2 MILLION TO STAY WHERE WE ARE AT WE DON'T NEED TO COLLECT THE $1.25 MILLION FROM THE RESIDENCE. ALSO, IN THE FUTURE IN THE NEAR FUTURE OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP MEANING YOUR BILL WILL GO UP WITH THIS IT WILL GO UP $8.33 PER YEAR AND THEN IN THE FUTURE IT WILL GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY FOR WASTEWATER. SO, IN GENERAL I DON'T LIKE THIS FEE BEING USED AS A FACADE FOR COLLECTING ON YOUR BILL. IT SHOULD GO STRAIGHT. FOR ME IT GOES FROM THE USER, THE HOUSEHOLD TO THE BILL. THEY PAY THE BILL AND THEN IT GOES TO THE UTILITY LADIES AND FROM THERE IT GOES TO ACCOUNTING AND IT MOVES TOO MANY PLACES. IT CAN LOSE WHERE IT IS AT AND BE UNACCOUNTED FOR. SO, WITH THIS I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS. WE NEED TO BUDGET CORRECTLY IN OUR BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR THE ROAD MAINTENANCE THIS YEAR IT IS USING $675,000 FOR ROADS AND THAT'S HALF OF THE 1.2 MILLION NEEDED TO STAY WHERE WE ARE AT BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BUDGET CORRECTLY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO A LINE ITEM ON PEOPLE'S BILLS FOR $8.33 THAT'S 9 DOLLARSPER YEAR IT'S $100. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN RAISING TAXES WITH THE TAX RATE VERSUS THIS? IT IS THE SAME
THING. >> SPEAKER: I HAD TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. ONE THING YOU'RE MISSING IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVE ON OUR ROADS THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO BUT OUR UTILITY RATE CUSTOMERS WHICH ALLOWS THESE PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ROADS THEY TEAR UP WHEN THEY DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC WHICH IS WHY IF WE PROPOSE AND ADOPT SOMETHING THIS WE REDUCE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT $675,000 WHICH WOULD MEAN WE CAN EITHER DO SOMETHING ELSE OR WE CAN LOWER THE TAX RATE LOWER THAN THE NEW REVENUE RATE. THE OTHER THING IS YOU ARE ALSO DECOUPLING ROAD MAINTENANCE.
IT'S NO LONGER A POLITICAL FIGHT. YET THE GUARANTEED LINE ITEM THAT YOU KNOW WILL FIX OUR ROADS AND CITY. IT CAN ONLY BE SPENT FOR THIS. IT IS ENCUMBERED FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND IT ALLOWS THAT WE CAN FIX AND WE HAVE A STUDY DONE AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY CAN BE SPENT A MINIMUM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO JUST NOT MAKE THE ROADS WORSE GROWING BACKLOG OF
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ROAD REPAIR. SO, WHAT THE NUMBER IS WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND ASSESS. YOU ARE ALSO DECOUPLING IT AND ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE THAT USE THE ROADS AND SHOULD HELP PAY IN MAINTAINING THEM RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO MAINTAINING IT. AS A UTILITY FUND THEY ARE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.>> MAYOR: ANY OTHER QUESTION FROM COUNSEL?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ONE OTHER WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE WAY YOU DO IS EITHER WAY IT IS A TAX OR A FEE AND THE CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR IT. IF IT IS A FEE IT IS DECOUPLED FROM THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME. SO NEXT YEAR HOPEFULLY WHEN OUR HOUSE VALUE GOES UP THE FEE WILL NOT GO UP BUT IF IT WAS A TAX IT WOULD GO UP. I WILL BE PAYING MORE IN TAXES. IF WE WANT TO TRY TO PAY FOR THE ROADS THIS WAY WE CAN EXPAND IT -1 OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY AND THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN USING THE ROAD BUT ALSO IS A SET AMOUNT THAT WILL NOT VOLATILE. WHEN MY HOUSING GOES UP AND UP AND UP THIS FEE WILL NOT GO UP. WE HAVE ALREADY BUDGETED $600,000 FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. MAY BE WHAT WE DO IF WE WANTED TO DO THE FEE WE COULD LOWER IT AND CUT IT IN HALF BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY ALREADY. WE DON'T NEED WHAT IS IT 6 DOLLARS?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: $6.30 FOR RESIDENTIAL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT. IT REALLY HAS WORRIED ME THAT WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED THE 1.2 MILLION THAT THEY SAY WE NEED TO DO TO STAY EVEN. WHEN I SAW IN THE BUDGET IT WAS LOWER IT WORRIED ME. I WANTED TO PUMP THAT UP SO WE COULD AT LEAST MAINTAIN. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO DO IT SO WE WON'T BE TIED TO TAXES AND WE WON'T BE INCREASING IT EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> SPEAKER: THE ONE THEY WHEN YOU SAID JUST DO IT FOR FOUR BUT NEXT YEAR I WOULD RATHER SIT ONE FEE AND DON'T CHANGE IT SEVERAL YEARS WHEREAS EVERY YEAR YOU ARE CHANGING IT FROM FOUR TO FIVE TO SIX. ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP $700,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE? YOU WILL ALWAYS TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEREAS THIS YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE AND I HOPE AS YOU GO OVER TIME WE WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE USING THE WATER IN THE NUMBER WILL GO UP WHICH MEANS WE COULD LOWER THE FEE OR REPAIR THE REST OF THE ROADS AND IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WHEN WE HAVE A STUDY DONE WITH WHAT THE ROADS NEED TO BE HAVE COVERED OUR ROADS TO A GRADE A AND WE ARE ABLE TO SAY WE ONLY NEED 4 DOLLARSTO MAINTAIN IT AT THIS POINT.
AFTER MEMBER AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MOVE IN EVERY SINGLE DAY OUR ROADS ARE GROWING. THE NUMBER OF ROADS WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN SO TYING IT INTO A USAGE FEE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO IS ON OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM WILL BE PAYING THIS FEE. YOU ARE ALLOWING AS THE ROADS GROW IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY GROW OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEM WITH A FLAT RATE. WE WILL SEE WHERE
WE GO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING A FLAT THAT IS TIED TO YOUR HOUSE BUT THE THING OF IT IS WHENEVER YOU SEE THE INVENTORY OF THE TAX ROLE THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PLAYERS, INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND WE ARE TRYING TO RELIEVE THE RESIDENCE IDENCE AND NEVER YOU HAVE THAT TAX ROLE BECAUSE THEIR VALUE THE BIG PLAYERS ARE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL THEY ARE TAKING ON THE BIGGER BURDEN BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING MORE SO THAN RESIDENTS. WHERE IS THIS IT IS HEAVY RESIDENTIAL AND LOW COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THERE ARE 12,500 RESIDENTIAL HOOKUPS OR CUSTOMERS AND ONLY 400, SO, ONE THIRD COMMERCIAL. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE TIERED SYSTEM CAN BE TIED TO A NUMBER OF METERS. HERE, WITH THE FEET IT IS HEAVY RESIDENTIAL PIER MY UNDERSTANDING HEAVY RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL PLAYERS WOULD HAVE A HEAVIER BURDEN ON THE MAINTENANCE. THEY DO DRIVE THE TRAFFIC IN THE TITAN PROPERTY DID THEY DO DRIVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC HERE IN THE AREA THERE'S HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON THE ROADS DETERIORATING THE ROADS WITH BIG TRUCKS AND THAT SORT
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OF THING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS HARD WITH THE TIERED SYSTEM. IT WOULD BE FAR GREATER THAN 8
DOLLARS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WOULD RESET THE BOTTOM TIER AT THREE TIMES THE RATE THAN ANY OTHER RESIDENT WOULD PAY? DO YOUR POINT YOU HAVE ONE THIRD VERSUS YOU KNOW, ONE THIRD OF THE AMOUNT BEING COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL NONRESIDENTIAL BASICALLY. WE SAT THAT LOW TIER IF THERE IS A VERY SMALL TRAFFIC GENERATING COMMERCIAL ENTITY THEY WOULD STILL BE PAYING THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS ANY RESIDENT ON THEIR RESIDENTIAL FEE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHAT IS THE UPPER END? IF SOMEONE IS
GENERATING A TON OF TRAFFIC? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T REMEMBER.
I THINK IT WAS 12 TIMES THE RATE BECAUSE THEY ARE GENERATING A HUGE TRAFFIC LOAD. REALLY I JUST PULLED FROM AUSTIN, GREEN, BRYAN COLLEGE STATION, TAYLOR AND PUT TOGETHER A HODGEPODGE OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND SAID, HERE IS THE BALLPARK OF HOW THEY'VE ALL DONE THE STUFF AND EVERY CITY DOES A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AUSTIN WENT IN AND BASICALLY SAID THIS IS THE TRIP FACTOR FOR THESE TYPES OF USES.
SO, THEY LAID OUT IF YOU ARE A TOWNHOME THIS IS YOUR TRIP FACTOR. IF YOU ARE A CONVENIENCE STORE THIS IS YOUR TRIP FACTOR. SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND OTHER PLACES DID SOMETHING MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DOING WHICH IS TO SAY IF YOU ARE IN THIS GENERAL GROUP THEN THIS IS YOUR TRIP FACTOR.
SO TAKE YOUR TRIP FACTOR, YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND DETERMINE WHERE YOU FALL IN THE TIER GREAT. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. I DID NOT KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WANTED IT TO BE SIMPLY COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL RATE. WE CAN GO
BACK TO IT. >> MAYOR: I WANT IT SIMPLE.
YOU WILL SEE A THEME FOR ME OVER THE NEXT MONTH. I AM RELYING ON THE COMMUNITY SURVEY ON EVERYTHING. AND THAT IS WHY I DID NOT VOTE FOR A PARK EXPANSION BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE ON THE SURVEY THAT IT WAS A TOP THING. SO HERE'S SOMETHING FROM THE SURVEY THAT I WILL READ. QUESTION NUMBER 11. I WILL START THE WORST ISSUE AND GO THROUGH THEM. THERE ARE 14 OF THEM. FLOW ON TRAFFIC ON MAJOR ROADS AND HIGHWAYS 14 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION POLLED, 14 PERCENT PER SATISFIED WHEN HE PERCENT ARE SATISFIED WITH THE FLOW ON MAIN STREETS, 38 PERCENT SATISFIED WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY STREETS AND ENFORCEMENT LOCAL CODES GET TO 40.
EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION 43 AND NOT UNTIL WE GET TO THE PARK DO WE GET TO 49 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE OVERALL LIBRARY SERVICES, 70 PERCENT OF PEOPLE ARE HAPPY. FOR FOUR YEARS I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING NOT TO RAISE THE PROPERTY TAX. JUST BECAUSE MY HOUSE DOUBLES IN VALUE OVER TWO YEARS DOES NOT MEAN I SHOULD PAY TWICE AS MUCH IN TAXES BECAUSE THE CITY ENGINEERS WAGES DON'T GO UP TWICE AS MUCH IN THE CITY MANAGER WAGES DON'T GO UP TWICE AS MUCH SO OUR HOUSE WILL DOUBLE AGAIN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND I DON'T THINK I WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE JUST BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS WORTH MORE. THAT IS A PENALTY TO ME.
I THINK WE ARE KIDDING OURSELVES IF WERE NOT GOING TO RAISE TAXES. WHETHER IT BE FUNDS GOING DIRECTLY TO INCREASE INS RATES AND THE REASON I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT TO PAY FOR THINGS LIKE THE ROADS IS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC PAYS, THE TAXPAYER PAYS, IT GOES INTO A FUND AND WE CHOOSE OR NOT CHOOSE TO PUT IT TO THE ROADS OR THE PARK OR EMPLOYEE SALARIES OR WHATEVER. THIS YEAR ALONE I'M NOT IN FAVOR WITH 49 NEW POSITIONS AND RATHER SEE ROAD MAINTENANCE BEFORE DENYING NEW POSITIONS IS WHAT IS PRESENTED IF WE GO WITH THE TAX I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD GET SOMEWHAT HIND IF WE DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I APPRECIATE WHEN COUNCILMEMBER CLARK BROUGHT THIS UP I HATE TAXES MORE THAN ANYBODY I'M NOT AN IDIOT. WE NEED OR MONEY TO GET CAUGHT UP I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME FROM PROPERTY. WHEN I SPEAK TO THE CITY MANAGER WHAT I WILL GET BEHIND IS TWO THINGS. I WILL OKAY WITH $10 FLAT ACROSS EVERYWHERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT BUSINESSES TO PAY MORE. THE REASON BEING YOU PENALIZE IT SAY YOU WANT
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BUSINESSES TO COME AND YOU WANT RESTAURANTS. THEN YOU GET A RESTAURANT AND THIS COUNSEL WANTS TO INCENTIVIZONLY TAXING MAKES THEM WANT TO PAY MORE OR WANT MONEY BACK SO THEY PAY A SALES TAX, THEY PAY A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTY TAXES DID THEY USE THE ROADS MORE? YES. THE SALES TAX IS WHAT IS FUNDING CITY HALL. I AM IN SUPPORT OF A $10 ACROSS-THE-BOARD FOR THE TWO THINGS. ONE, IT HAS TO GO INTO A SPECIFIC FUND FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE. THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO BE DIRECTED BY THE COUNCIL TO TAKE WHATEVER THAT STUDY WAS TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT HERE ARE THE ROADS WE ARE GETTING THIS YEAR, HERE ARE THE ROADS YOU'RE GETTING NEXT YEAR THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE ORDER ANY YEAR. WE ARE GOING TO RELEASE A PERSON PAYING $10 MORE TO KNOW THEIR ROAD IS GETTING PAVED INTO YEARS RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW THAT. IT COULD HAPPEN IN 10 YEARS. THE OTHER PART IS I WOULD LIKE THE MONEY THAT IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK I THINK YOU SAID SEVEN 1000?>> COUNCIL MEMBER: 675. >> MAYOR: I WOULD LIKE THAT MONEY ALLOCATED. I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR YOU CAN BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. YOU WILL KNOW WHAT YOU WILL GET. TAKE THE OTHER 675,000 AND PUT IT TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS. EVERYBODY'S ISSUES AREN'T ROADS, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, STREETS. SO IF WE DON'T RAISE TAXES SOMEWHAT THIS YEAR Y'ALL WE JUST SAW AN $80 MILLION BRIDGE THAT DOUBLES AS A CITY. AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT SO MONEY FREE UP TODAY AND USED FOR THE TOP FOUR ISSUES OF THE CITY TO PUT TO GOOD USE. A COUPLE OF THINGS, YOU CANNOT USE CIP MONEY TO MAINTAIN ROADS AS I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE THREE BUILDING OR CONSTRUCTION. YOU CANNOT GO BACK AND PUT IN THE SEALANT. YOU CANNOT DO THAT FROM CIP THAT IS MAINTENANCE. CORRECT?
>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> MAYOR: MAY BE CAN FIND A WAY TO USE BOND MONEY WE HAVE $4 MILLION IN ROADS. AND IT IS DIFFERENT THAN PROPERTY TAX. IN LOOKING AT THIS THE GAS TAX.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE GAS TAX TODAY IS SOMETIMES PEOPLE DRIVE 19 MILES TO THE GALLON SOME DRIVE 65. SOME DRIVE ELECTRIC BUT EVERYONE IS USING THE ROAD. THE SYSTEM IS BROKE. IT'S THE ISSUE WITH PROPERTY TAX. JUST THE ISSUE OF A FAMILY OF FOUR LIVING IN A $600,000 HOUSE WHY ARE THEY PAYING MORE IN TAXES THAN A FAMILY OF FOUR WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROADS? IT COMES TO THE LEVELS AND IT KEEPS THE CITY MANAGER FROM THE BUDGET.
THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE CONTINUES TO ADD YEAR AND THE COUNCIL CANNOT TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THE ROADS ONLY CAN DO IS DETERMINE WHAT ROADS WILL BE FIXED SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE MONEY WILL BE SPENT EACH YEAR ON ROADS AND WE'VE NEVER SPENT
$1 MILLION ON THE ROADS. >> SPEAKER: COMBINED?
>> MAYOR: WE HAVE NOT SURFACED THE ROAD SINCE I HAVE BEEN
HERE. >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE TORE THEM
UP. >> MAYOR: RIGHT. THIS IS A WAY THAT WE COULD KEEP THE PROPERTY TAXES NO NEW REVENUE NEXT YEAR I'M NOT CHANGING MY MIND ON THAT. I WILL TALK TO THE CITY MANAGERR WILL TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. WERE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO FUND OUR PROJECTS. WERE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. THE LAST THING OTHER CITIES DO THIS THIS IS HOW ROUND ROCK CAN PROVIDE THE ROADS THEY DO THE LOWER TAX. SO WE ARE COMPARING MORE APPLES TO APPLES WHEREAS YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS INTO IT ALL. THAT IS WHY I AM IN FAVOR OF IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 10? I WILL BE HONEST IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT. IF WE KEEP IT AT 10 WE CAN GET CAUGHT UP ON MAINTENANCE. IF WE GO LESS LIKE COUNCILMEMBER CLARK SAID EVERY YEAR WE ARE DEBATING WHAT THE AMOUNT SHOULD BE IN EVERY YEAR THE CITY MANAGER DOESN'T KNOW Wâ– HAT TO BUDGET AN THE CHART WILL CHANGE TO THE PUBLIC EVERY YEAR WHAT ROADS WILL GET FIXED BASED ON THE
WHIM OF THE COUNCIL. >> SPEAKER: TO ADD ON TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE DO HAVE POPULATION GROWTH. WE WILL ABLE TO REPAIR MORE ROADS THAT WAY AND ORGANICALLY WE CAN TAKE CARE OF OUR SITUATION. YEAH, I BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT A MONTH AGO: WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
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MOTION TO CREATE A STREET MAINTENANCE FEE BUT TO HANDLE IT INTO THE FEE SCHEDULE SO IT'S NOT TIED IN SPECIFICALLY TO THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T WANT TO DISPENSE WITH THE SECOND READING TONIGHT BUT A $10 FLAT WHETHER IT IS RESIDENTIAL,COMMERCIAL, A FEE. >> MAYOR: CAN THAT BE DONE ON
A FEE SCALE? >> SPEAKER: I THINK WHAT HE IS SAYING IS VERY OFTEN ORDINANCES ADOPT A FEE AND THE FEE ITSELF IS SET IN THE FEE SCHEDULE ADOPTED EACH YEAR BY THE ORDINANCE AS A PART OF THE BUDGET.
>> SPEAKER: WHAT WE CAN DO IS THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD SAY THE FEE IS AS IS AS STATED IN THE FEE SCHEDULE OF $10. WE CAN BUILD THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE IS - SORRY.
>> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION SECONDED BY THE COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION ON
THE MOTION? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. IT IS INEQUITABLE AT $10 WHETHER YOU ARE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. THERE ARE ONLY 400 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THAT IS WHERE I STAND.
>> MAYOR: LET ME ASK YOU A DENTIST WOULD HAVE TO PAY $30
PER MONTH? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS $30
FLAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: NO, WE TEARED IT TO MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE THE DENTIST WOULD HAVE TO PAY 10 TIMES AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY ARE A DENTIST?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES BECAUSE THEY DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC AND
RESIDENTIAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DON'T WE
HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? >> MAYOR: WE ARE HAVING A
DISCUSSION ON THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THOUGHT IF YOU MADE THE MOTION TO VOTE ON THE MOTION? THANK YOU FOR
THE CLARIFICATION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE DO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT BUT WE WILL DISCUSS FIRST.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I GUESS IT IS EQUITABLE BECAUSE EVERY BUDDY GETS $10 ACROSS-THE-BOARD BUT AS FAR AS DRIVING TRAFFIC?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DO HAVE A CLARIFICATION WHAT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY IS IT $10 PER UNIT? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE SAYING? WHAT IS THE $10 FOR AN APARTMENT BUILDING? IS IT $10
FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: ALMOST CERTAINLY BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A MASTER METER NOT INDIVIDUAL METERS AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE A UTILITY BILL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. THERE IS A SUB METER SOMEWHERE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE I WORKED
FOR THE DEPARTMENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PAY YOUR OWN WATER IF YOU LIVE IN THE DEPARTMENT BUT THE CITY UTILITY BILLING EXPERTS IN THE BACK GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A MASTER METER THAT THE CITY BUILT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR THAT'S ONE ACCOUNT. THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ITSELF MAY HAVE 300 UNITS THEY ARE CHARGING WATER TO INTERNALLY THEMSELVES BUT THAT IS NOT US CHARGING THAT SO IT WOULD BE ONE UTILITY ACCOUNT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MY ASSUMPTION AND UNDERSTANDING AND THE REASON I SPEAK ON THIS IS I ASSUME IT WOULD BE $10 RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD $10 FOR BUSINESS AND $10 PER MULTIFAMILY UNIT. I THINK IT IS MORE FAIR BECAUSE EACH UNIT SAID THERE WAS A HOUSEHOLD IF WE ADOPTED THAT WAY THERE'S A
200 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S
CORRECT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT WILL BE GENERATING A LOT OF FEES TO MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FUND.
IT WILL BE OVER $2 MILLION. B-2 HAD WE PAY THE 1.2 MILLION
IN ROAD MAINTENANCE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: BUDGETING.
IF WE HAD 1.2 MILLION TO STAY WHERE WE ARE AT THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN THE BUDGET. HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT BUDGET IN DETAIL SO NOW WE ARE IN GRIDLOCK WITH IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I AGREE. FINDING THAT MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED WITHOUT THE FEE. I ALSO AGREE IT IS TAXED AND WE ARE SHIFTING THE TAX AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE TRIPLE FOR THE COMMERCIAL DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. IT IS HORRIBLE WITH SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE THE IMPACT. AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THE 400 AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. SMALL BUSINESSES.
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THERE'S NOT THAT MANY BIG ONES. IT ALMOST DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU CHARGE THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL BUT FOR A SMALL BUSINESS YOU ARE STARTING TO GET INTO.>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M ALMOST OKAY BEING CHARGED $10 PER MONTH BECAUSE ONCE THEY ARE THERE THEY ARE PROVIDING HOWEVER MANY TENS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MONTH IN SALES TAX.
THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THEM BEING THERE AND WE BRING IN THE SALES TAX TO THE OTHER BUSINESSES THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE TRAFFIC.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY SHOULD PAY MORE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SO WHY ARE WE TAKING THE MONEY AND
APPLYING IT TO THIS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: BECAUSE WE
GAVE IT BACK TO EVO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: EVO BUT NOT
EVERY COMMERCIAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SPEND MONEY IN. IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME OUTSIDE OF HUTTO TO INCREASE TAXES YOU ARE ALMOST DOUBLE HITTING THE BUSINESS BECAUSE WE SAY ONCE YOU ARE IN WILL TAXI MORE BECAUSE YOU BRING PEOPLE IN AND THE WHOLE POINT WE WANTED IS FOR THEM TO BE THERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE WHOLE THING OF THE BUDGET IS IT IS COMING FROM SALES TAX. IT JUST COMES ACROSS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T DISAGREE LONG TERM WHETHER IT BE THIS YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND ANYTHING WITHOUT SOME SORT OF INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES WHETHER YOU DO IT THIS YEAR OR- THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR . WE HAD THREE PEOPLE AND HAVING THEM NOT TO EXCEED RATE WHICH TELLS ME THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT RAISING TAXES SO PEOPLE WHO VOTED NO FOR THAT SHOULD AT LEAST BE SOMEWHAT IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU NOT VOTE FOR NO NEW REVENUE TO SET THE MAX RATE AND TURNAROUND AND BE AGAINST AN INCREASE IN TAX WHERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NO NEW REVENUE. WE ARE KIDDING OURSELVES IF WE SAY NO NEW TAX IS COMING UP. IF WE ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO RAISE TAXES ON PEOPLE AND SET IT UP ON EVERY FAMILY OF THREE PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY OR DO WE SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A NICER HOUSE HAVE TO PAY MORE AND BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT YOU PAY LESS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS FOR ME.
EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME RATE AND WE DON'T PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR THEIR HOMES GOING UP IN VALUE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CITY OF HUTTO.
YOU HAVE TO LOVE AND TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE BOUNDARIES
. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE OF HUTTO IT'S THE PEOPLE ON THE WASTEWATER WHO
DON'T PAY ANYTHING AT ALL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I UNDERSTAND THAT. JUST SAYING THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED NO ON THE TAX RATE IT'S A FALSE STATEMENT. BECAUSE NOW THAT WE HAD A BUDGET PRESENTED TO US THAT WAS AT NO NEW REVENUE NOW WE'VE GOT TO MOVE MONEY AND FIGURE IT OUT AND GET AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE ON BOARD TO MOVE THE AMENDED BUDGET AND IT'S FINE TO DO THAT BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FIND AN EXTRA $500,000 IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. BECAUSE, -
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF THIS PASSES YOU HAVEN'T EXTRA
$600,000 TO PUT FORWARD. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: EXACTLY.
IT'S LIKE DOUBLE. WHY DO WE HAVE A FEE ON THE UTILITY BILL WITH A SERVICE WHERE YOU GET YOUR TRASH IN WASTEWATER SERVICES AND NOW YOU ARE PAYING A ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE MAC THAT IS NOT A SERVICE. WITH THE COMMUNITY SURVEY IT IS ROADS, ROADS, ROADS ALL THAT GOOD STUFF IT'S JUST ANOTHER CATEGORY OF ROADS THAT THE RESIDENT THE USER, THE CITY OF
HUTTO FACILITY TAKE ON. >> MAYOR: WE CAN WRITE THE BUDGET AND TAKE THE 675,000 OUT OF THE BUDGET.
PROPORTIONATELY. AND THEN PEOPLE ARE TAXED LESS AND THE ONLY THING IT DOES IS BRING CONSISTENCY TO THE CITY PLAN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT. NOW IT IS BEFORE US. WE CAN SEE ONCE THIS HAPPENS OF COURSE NOW WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE ARE IN A GRIDLOCK. WE ARE AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. LAST YEAR WE SET IT AT THE MAX AND GUESS WHAT WE PASSED A NO NEW REVENUE BUDGET.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DISCUSSION TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WANT TO PLACE THINGS. THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE ON. EVERYBODY HAS THEIR
OPINION. SO - >> MAYOR: THE ONLY THING I ASK
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THAT UNDER YOUR MOTION I WILL BRING AN AMENDMENT TO IT THAT THE MOTION JUST SETS THE $10 AND TO ME TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER FEES DIRECTED THAT HE WILL HAVE TO POST DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A ROAD TAB BUT I WANT TO C5 YEARS OF WHAT WERE GOING TO DO SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT AND THEY CAN NO IT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE ACCOUNT AND WE HAVE TO REALLOCATE THE 675,000 OUT OF THE BUDGET OTHERWISE I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A TAX WHERE WE TURN AROUND AND ONLY HAVE 1.8. NO OFFENSE TO RICK BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REPAY THAT AMOUNT IN ONE YEAR WILL HAVE TO BE A BUILDUP IN EQUIPMENT, POWER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.>> SPEAKER: I HAVE A PROCEDURAL POINT MAYBE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A SIX PERCENT FEE ON THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION THAT WE PUT TWO AL CLAWSON FOR THEIR TRUCKS BEING ON OUR ROADS THAT COLLECTS A " ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE" IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE AS YOU BUILD YOUR WAY THROUGH THE BUDGET AND FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT. THERE'S ABOUT $0.85 ON THE UTILITY BILL RIGHT NOW FOR STREET MAINTENANCE. $0.85 TO ONE DOLLAR, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF GALLON TRASH CONTAINER YOU HAVE. THIS ORDINANCE REPEALS THAT AS IT IS CURRENTLY STATED. SO, YOU COULD REPEAL IT AND IN THE TRASH COLLECTION RATE WOULD GO DOWN ABOUT $0.85 OR YOU COULD KEEP IT AND REDUCE IT TO THE OVERALL CHARGE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOING EITHER WAY JUST KNOW THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY ON THE UTILITY BILL $0.85 TO ONE DOLLAR PUT IN THE COLLECTION PIECE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT TRANSPARENT THIS IS IT AND IT CAN ONLY BE TRACKED THIS WAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MONEY IS GOING INTO ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE
ONLY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S NOT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. A.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: EXACTLY IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE UTILITY BILL AND IT'S GOING TO GET TOSSED. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF HANDS AND FINGERS ON IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WILL BE REQUIRED. JUST LIKE YOUR TRASH SERVICE GOES TO THE TRASH SERVICE FUND.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE JUST SAID THAT SIX PERCENT HAS NOT
MADE IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: BECAUSE IT
WAS NOT SET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: STILL, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE THAT WAS CALLED OUT AND TOSSED TO
THE SIDE. >> MAYOR: IT IS IN THE UTILITY FUND AND HISTORICALLY CAN DO A TRANSFER FROM THE UTILITY TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE STREETS LIVE. WE DID NOT PROPOSE ANY TRANSFERS THIS YEAR FROM THE UTILITY FUND TO OVER TRYING TO PROTECT FUND BALANCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE EXPENSES WE ARE LOOKING AT. WE COULD HAVE IN THEORY TRANSFER THAT AMOUNT OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND BUT WE DIDN'T BECAUSE I WAS BUDGETING FOR IT ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE AND I DECIDED TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT WAS. BUT SINCE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW IN SETTING FE THE ONLY REASON IT WAS EVER PUT INTO PLAY WAS BECAUSE THE BIG HEAVY TRASH TRUCKS WERE ON THE ROADS SHOULD BE COLLECTING SOMETHING FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE BECAUSE OF THAT. THAT IN TURN GETS PASSED TO THE CITIZENS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE CHARGING CLAWSON AND THEY ARE PAYING IT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART IT IS A PASS-THROUGH LIKE EVERYTHING IS. HING IS. I WANTED TO POINTED OUT BECAUSE AS THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN YOU ARE APPEALING THAT AND YOU WOULD REDUCE IT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU CHOOSE TO REPEAL IT BUT IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO REPEAL IT EITHER WAY I WANTED TO POINTED OUT TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE OTHER THING IS WHETHER THIS PASSES OR NOT WE WANT TO REPEAL IT MAC IF THERE IS A FEE FOR TRASHY JUST UP THE TRASH? SINCE WE COLLECT THAT. I'M NOT A FAN IF YOU HAVE A FEE IF THERE IS A PERCENT FEE, THERE IS TRANSPARENCY. AT LEAST YOU KNOW TRASH IS TRASH. THE FOUR DOLLAR PER MONTH FEE GOES TO DRAINAGE. AND ROAD MAINTENANCE
FUNDS. >> MAYOR: FOR WE VOTE I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR $10 FOR RESIDENTIAL AND $10 PER
MULTIFAMILY UNIT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN WE DO
THAT IN THE ACCOUNTING WORLD? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S A LOT SIMPLER THAN WHAT MY CITY ENGINEER PROPOSED.[LAUGHTER] I WAS REALLY WORRIED IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO GO BACK AND CALCULATE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AND USAGE AND HOW MANY KIDS ARE IN
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DAYCARE WHICH WOULD BE EASY FOR HIM IF HE'S IN THE FRONT END OF THAT YOU COME FOR APPROVALS BUT AFTER THE FACT AFTER IT IS ESTABLISHED IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO FIGURE OUT. IT'S A LOT MORE DOABLE I'M SURE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES. HOW MANY MASTER METERS DO WE HAVE? CAN PULL THE LIST AND OF THE MASTER METERS HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE MULTIUNIT YOU CAN ASSIGN A ASSIGN A UNIT TO THE BILL AND CHARGE IT THAT WAY. THAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER WAY OF STATING IT IF IT IS A MASTER METER IS $10 PER DOOR OR PER WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT AS WITH THE MASTER METER PER UNIT MIGHT BETHE RIGHT WAY OF SAYING IT. >> MAYOR: THANKS MATT FOR DOING THIS, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK CHARGING $10 IS EQUITABLE. I THINK I THINK A FAMILY IN A $35,000 SQUARE HOME SHOULD HAVE TO PAY MORE THAN A FAMILY IN A TWO-BEDROOM APARTMENT. I DON'T THINK THIS IS EQUITABLE. HEARING THE DISCUSSION DOES NOT
CHANGE MY MIND. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DO YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO SEE IF IT PASSES?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DO NOT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SO YOUR CITY BILL IS GOING UP $120 PER YEAR IF IT PASSES. AND SO, HERE WE GO. IN THE FUTURE WE WILL SEE WASTEWATER RATES GO UP BECAUSE WATER IS A PRECIOUS RESOURCE AND OUR COMMUNITY IS GROWING TO TAKE ON WASTEWATER I GUESS BURDENS? SO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING MORE THAN WE NEED TODAY THAT'S A NONSTARTER FOR ME. WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TODAY. WHAT I WILL SUGGEST IS A DIFFERENT PARAMETER IF YOU WANT TRANSPARENCY ON THIS FEE CAN WE GET THE EXACT SAME TRANSPARENCY ON DRAINAGE? BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE MONEY GOES. WE OF THE EXACT SAME THING ON THE DRAINAGE FEE AND WE NEED TO KNOW THE EXACT SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: DO YOU FEEL THE 1.2 MILLION GENERATED TO MATCH WOULD BE AN OKAY EXPENDITURE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK THIS GENERATES MORE THAN 1.2.
IT GENERATES 1.4 JUST ON RESIDENTIAL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU LOOK TO THE PRESENTATION THEY HAD UP TO THINK IT WAS IF YOU WANTED ALL THE ROADS TO GET TO EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT ARI WILL REBUILD BUT IF YOU WANTED ALL THE ROADS TO GO UP TO WHAT THEY CALL MAINTAINED WITH NO BACKLOG IT'S LIKE 2.1 MILLION IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE DID THROUGH THE GROUP. AT 1.5 WE GET THE ROADS DONE QUICKER AND ONCE WE GET THEM UP IT MIGHT BE GREAT AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO GROW YOU CAN TAKE THE SPEED DOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT WE WON'T KEEP COLLECTING MORE JUST BECAUSE IT WILL GO DOWN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: NOT REALLY BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE IT IMPACTS THE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER THE MOST. I DON'T AGREE THIS IS A FLAT BE FOR EVERY SINGLE
RESIDENT IN TOWN. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: KEEP HEARING EQUITY BUT USUALLY EQUITY IS ALL THE SAME. IF YOU TAX PEOPLE MORE THAN OTHERS USUALLY PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT AS
- >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU TALK ABOUT A $10 PER MONTH FEE I WOULD NOT CARE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE CITY ENGINEER HAS BROUGHT US 8 DOLLARSAND WERE KICKING IT UP TO 10.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF IT WAS 5 DOLLARSIT WOULD GENERATE $750.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T CONSIDERING ALL THE APARTMENTS AS SINGLE. THE TAXATION $10 PER MONTH WOULD GIVE US $1.2 MILLION JUST FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. CORRECT? THERE'S 12,000.
>> THERE'S 12,000 RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS $10 PER MONTH IF YOU DID THAT IT WOULD BE 120 GRAND PER MONTH TIMES 12 1.4
MILLION? 21.2 MILLION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE NEED A MINIMUM OF 1.2 JUST TO BREAK EVEN AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING ALL COMMERCIAL OR MULTI FAMILY I THINK WE COULD GO TO FIVE AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO GET WHAT WE NEED. IT SOUNDS LIKE
TO ME. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE KEEPING THE 670 IN THE BUDGET MAC.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S $750,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR ROAD
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MAINTENANCE CURRENTLY. IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DO THAT TO DO THE MATH TO COME UP WITH A FEE YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU DO THERIGHT NUMBER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS AT 750
675? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: 750 UNLESS
SOMEBODY REDUCED IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING WHAT IS THE COUNCIL'S PLAN TO FIX THE ROADS? WITHOUT RAISING PROPERTY TAXES? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE ATTACK SOMEWHERE AND IF YOU RAISE PROPERTY TAXES YOU WILL HAVE TO RAISE FEES BECAUSE SOMEWHERE THE COST OF THE ROADS FAR EXCEEDS MAINTENANCE HIM FOR NOT HAPPY WITH 5 DOLLARSOR 10, WHAT IS THE POINT: NEXT YEAR YOU WON'T GET SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE WILL BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS AND TINY POTHOLES. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAIN ON
PROPERTY TAX. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYBE THIS ITEM COULD BE BROUGHT TO THE CIP PLANNING BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER NEW REPORTS FROM THE GROUP THAT DID THE STUDY FOR US ON THEM, ON THE HEALTH OF THE ROADS. I DON'T EVER REMEMBER SAYING THIS IS HOW MUCH WE WANT TO SPEND. WE COULD TOTALLY LOWBALL IT AND KEEP 750. RIGHT? WE COULD TOTALLY DO THAT OR BUMP IT UP TO 5 MILLION MIGHT BE THAT HIGH. IN THE BUDGET IT 675 OR 750 IT'S THREE QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION AND
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS A
PROCESS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE SPECIFIC ROLES THAT ALLOW YOU TO ADOPT A TAX. THIS IS A FEE THAT'S GOING TO A SPECIFIC PURPOSE BASED ON A STUDY. THE STUDY IS TELLING YOU TO REPAIR THE ROADS. THE FEE HAS TO BE WITHIN THE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT PURPOSE. WE ARE FIXING THE ROADS THE FEE AND IT HAS TO BE REASONABLE. IT HAS TO BE SET BASED ON WHAT THE FEE COULD COVER EC IN THE LEGISLATURE ALL THE BILLS ABOUT HAVING TO RAIN THE CITIES IN AND THIS WAS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE COULD ATTACK. IF YOU DON'T SET A REASONABLE FEE BASED ON WHAT YOU NEED BASED ON THE STUDY.
YOU CAN DO A FEE BASED ON THE STUDIES AND I WOULD CAUTION YOU NOT GO BEYOND WHAT YOU NEED TO COLLECT BUT BUILD THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED, 20 PERCENT FOR ADMINISTRATION AND
THAT IS PERMISSIBLE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: BASED ON THE STUDY IS WHAT I HEARD AND NO OFFENSE TO YOU, MATT, THIS WAS A HODGEPODGE THROWN TOGETHER BY OTHER CITIES TO DO
THE SAME THING. RIGHT THERE. >> SPEAKER: NO SIR.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT IS WHAT HE SAID.
>> SPEAKER: TO CLARIFY COUNCIL MEMBERS I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN THE HODGEPODGE WAS COMING UP WITH THE TIERED RATE STRUCTURE AND THE LANGUAGE IN BUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT I USED FOR THE BASE $1.2 MILLION WAS BASED OR CLEON THE RAS PAYMENT CONDITION
STUDY THAT WAS DONE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU
FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF THIS. A DIFFERENCE OF $75 LINE ITEM 10.
IT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. 10 ? 040-060-321. IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF $750,000 LESS THAN THE 1.2.
>> SPEAKER: THE REPORT WAS JUST PAID FOR SO WE WOULD NEED
TO SPEND - MINIMUM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO 5 DOLLARSPER RESIDENCE AND
MULTIFAMILY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: AND
COMMERCIAL? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL
SECOND THAT! >> COUNCIL MEMBER: AND
COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU RK WITH THAT. THE CITY MANAGER WOULD NEED TO OKAY THAT. THE COUNCIL, WE DIRECT STAFF TO NOT RING IT UP FOR SECOND MEETING UNTIL THE FINAL READING OF THE BUDGET I WANT THIS TO FLOW A CERTAIN WAY I'M ONLY VOTING FOR IF WE ARE MOVING MONEY OUT OF ONE CATEGORY BECAUSE THE IDEA FOR ME IS NOT TO TAKE MORE
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MONEY. IT WOULD ALMOST BE - ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WANTED TO GET THE REPORT PULLED UP.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT CHANGING IT TO MULTI FAMILY WOULD BE PER UNIT RATHER THAN BUILDING? THAT WOULD GET US TO THE END .2 MILLION THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN? YOU SAID 12,000 RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MULTI FAMILY CONNECTIONS IN YOUR
CALCULATION? >> SPEAKER: HAVE NOT RUN THE
NUMBERS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WOULD HAVE TO GUESS CAN WE GET THE NUMBER BY THE TIME WE HAVE THE
SECOND READING? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. IN OUR UTILITY BUILDING WE PAIR THAT WITH THE ADDRESS AND THEN WE LOOK AT HOW MANY CONNECTIONS, DOORS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT ON THE ADDRESS. HE MIGHT HAVE A MASTER METER ON A DUPLEX OR QUAD PLAQUES NOT JUST APARTMENTS AND IT COULD BE DONE THAT WAY.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF HE BRINGS IT BACK ON THE FINAL READING WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO DO 5 DOLLARS MY FIND OUT THAT
$4.50 WOULD CHANGE IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M NOT ONE FOR GOING NUTS AND COLLECTING TWO OR THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEED FOR ROAD I JUST WANT YOU TO GET MONEY TO
MAINTAIN IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE WE PUT AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 1 TO GET THE UTILITY STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO BUILD IN THE FEE FOR THE BUILT IN PROCESS. > COUNCIL MEMBER: THE AMENDED
MOTION? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: 5 DOLLARSPER MONTH IS $60,000 PER YEAR. TIME 60 IS $750,000.
SO, IT IS TAKING IN MORE THAN ENOUGH TO COVER THE 1.2 TOTAL ASSUMING THAT'S WITH WHAT I HAVE IN THE BUDGET TODAY AND WE ARE OVER. THAT'S NOT COUNTING COMMERCIAL. IT'S NOT COUNTING
WHAT I FAMILY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE ALL GOING TO AGREE ON CUTTING THE BUDGET IN SEVERAL WAYS TO MAKE UP FOR THIS AND THAT IS THE UNKNOWN PART UNLESS WE AGREE RIGHT THERE WERE GOING TO CUT FIVE THINGS OR 10 THINGS TO GET THIS DONE WE'VE ALL GOT TO AGREE ON THOSE THINGS AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE BUDGET.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO MAKE A NEW MOTION AND VOTE ON THAT VERSUS MINE WHEN I MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND WE
DID NOT VOTE ON IT. >> MAYOR: ITS AMENDED. ONE OF THE FEW JOBS I HAVE AND I DON'T DO SO GREAT IS TO BE THE CHAIR.
YOUR QUESTION WAS THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR YOU AMENDED IT YOU CAN AMEND HIS AMENDMENT AND WE WILL SLOWLY VOTE FOR THEM ALL AND RIGHT NOW MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS -THE AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR IS A FIVE DOLLAR FEE FOR ALMOST, ALL SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT, ALL BUSINESSES THAT WE ARE REQUIRING A CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH THE ROADS TAB AND THE REPORT ON THIS IN THE FINAL READING OF THIS WILL NOT BE READ THE SECOND READING NOT BE READ UNTIL THE FINAL READING OF
THE BUDGET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS THE
MULTI FAMILY METER PER UNIT? >> MAYOR: YES. IF THIS MOTION PASSES WE WILL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION WHICH TAKES THE
PREVIOUS MOTION AWAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DOES
SOMEONE SECOND THE AMENDMENT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DID.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT AND THAT IS WE ADOPT A RATE WITH THE TWO-TIERED STRUCTURE WHATEVER THE NUMBER TO BE THAT WILL GET US TO 1.2 MILLION OF THE FEE STRUCTURE WITH WHATEVER DOLLARS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS. I JUST WANT THE NUMBER TO BE TO GET TO 1.2 MILLION.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE CAN GET THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA.
>> MAYOR: ASSUMING THE FIVE DOLLAR PASSES YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION ON THE SECOND READING TO ADJUST THE NUMBER TO BE WHATEVER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF YOU MAKE THAT MOTION -
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS NOT -THAT IS FAIR.
>> MAYOR: IT IS 5 DOLLARSPER MONTH AND EATSRESIDENTIAL UNIT THE CITY MANAGER POSTING ON THE WEBSITE THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE WITH THE REPORT AND THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE ASSUMING IT PASSES NOT TO BE READ UNTIL THE FINAL
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READING OF THE BUDGET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: AND THE
DRAINAGE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: AND NOT POSTED DRAINAGE. THIS IS SO UNCLEAR WHAT TO DO THE MONEY WON'T EVEN GO TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WILL. > MAYOR: ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL A VOTE.
>>.[VOTING] >> MAYOR: AMENDED MOTION PASSES 4-3. NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE OVERALL MOTION WHICH UNIQUELY IS THE EXACT SAME MOTION. THE MOTION WILL BE 5 DOLLARSPER MONTH FOR EACH SINGLE-FAMILY COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY UNIT OR THE CITY MANAGER REPORT AND SCHEDULE ON THE WEBSITE AND THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE NOT TO BE READ UNTIL THE FINAL READING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? DURING NONE, PLEASE CALL A
VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT, NAY,
.[VOTING] >> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES
4-3. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THANK YOU
MET. >> MAYOR: YES, YOU. THIS RINGS US TO 11.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A FORMAL PROCESS FOR ANNUAL AND SEMIANNUAL REVIEW OF THE CITY
>> MAYOR: IT IS 9:16 WE ARE BACK FROM RECESS. WE WILL GO
[11.1. Consideration and possible action to adopt a formal process for annual and semiannual reviews of the City Manager (Councilmember Peter Gordon)]
ON TO 11.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO ADOPT A FORMAL PROCESS FOR ANNUAL AND SEMIANNUAL REVIEW THE CITYMANAGER. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR, THIS IS MY ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO IT SEEMED TO ME THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED IT WAS OR HOW BROAD AND FAR-REACHING WE WERE TRYING TO GO SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS PROVIDE A SIMPLE FIVE VERSION OF WHAT I PROVIDED IN THE POST TO SEE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS. AND SO, WHAT WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND WE STILL DO THE START, STOP FEEDBACK BUT WE ONLY DO IT WITH REPORTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY RATHER THAN HR.
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT GOING THROUGH HR AND THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY CITY MANAGER WOULD STILL DO SELF-EVALUATION BASED ON THE GOALS ESTABLISHED IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING. THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD ALSO DO OUR OWN REVIEW CITY MANAGER AND ALSO BASED ON THE GOALS. THEN WE WOULD RECEIVE ALL OF THE EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK. THE START STOP CONTINUES FROM THERE DIRECT REPORTS. WE WOULD DO OUR OWN EVALUATION AND MEET WITH THEM TO PROVIDE REVIEW AND MEET WITH THEM. SO, YEAH, THAT WAS A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY IT? WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I HAVE IT PRINTED OUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SHARE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT IT DOWN AND REPEAT IT AND WANT TO
MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE FIRST PART WOULD BE WE REQUEST FEEDBACK THE CITY MANAGER DIRECT REPORTS THAT BE PROVIDED DIRECT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS WOULD BE IN THE FORMAT OF START, STOP CONTINUE. SHOULD HE START, SHOULD HE CONTINUE DOING WHAT HE'S DOING? THE CITY MANAGER WOULD DO HIS OWN SELF-EVALUATION BASED ON THE GOALS ESTABLISHED IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. HE WOULD GO THROUGH EACH GOAL AND RESPOND AND SAY I MET THIS GOAL I HAVE NOT MET THIS GOAL OR HOWEVER HE WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT. THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD ALSO PERFORM EACH OF OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL EVALUATIONS BASED OFF THOSE GOALS AS WELL SO WE WOULD EACH SAY THIS IS HOW I THINK HE DID ON THIS GOAL THIS IS HOW I THINK HE MISSED THIS GOAL AND THEN WE WOULD MEET TO DISCUSS OUR SEVEN DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS WE WOULD RECEIVE
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HIS TO DO THAT AND WE WOULD RECEIVE THE ONES FROM HIS DIRECT REPORTS AND WE WOULD DO THAT IN A MEETING AND WHAT I CALL IT CALIBRATION WE WOULD CALIBRATE AND COME TO A CONSENSUS OF HOW WE WANT TO GIVE HIM HIS FINAL REVIEW AND IN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WOULD MEET THE CITY MANAGER GIVE HIM HIS FEEDBACK HIS REVIEW AS A CONSOLIDATED MESSAGE.>> MAYOR: WE GET FEEDBACK FROM DIRECT REPORTS THE CITY MANAGER GIVES US HIS GOALS WITHIN MEASURE HOW HE DID AGAINST HIS GOALS AND THAT'S THE BASIS OF IT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: EVEN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
>> MAYOR: I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT THERE THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY. THE CITY MANAGERS GOALS AND THIS IS NO OFFENSE TO THE CITY MANAGER I'M NOT GOING TO GRADE HIM ON HIS
GOALS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S THE
GOALS WE GAVE HIM IN MARCH. >> MAYOR: TO MEET WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT THROWS OUT THESE BROAD CONCEPTS THAT ARE WORDED WITH FANCY WORDS AND THEN WE PASS A BUDGET AND WE PASS A BUDGET LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.
WE SET A BUDGET WE WERE OVERPROMISING ON THE AMOUNT OF ROADS WERE GETTING DONE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET ALL DONE.
WE HAD A BIG ARGUMENT PEOPLE SAID WERE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY DON'T GET THE ROADS DONE HERE WE ARE A YEAR LATER PUTTING THE RIGHT WORDS AND THAT'S NOT A STRATEGIC PLAN. TO ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO GRADE THE CITY MANAGER ON HOW THEY RUN THE CITY NO OFFENSE TO THE DIRECTOR BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE IS IF WE TASK THEM WITH A BUDGET WE WANT THESE FIVE THINGS DONE THESE ROADS ARE PAVED THESE THINGS ALL DONE AND HE COMES BACK A YEAR LATER AND HE'S GOTTEN NONE OF THE ROADS PAVED AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE BUDGETED IS NOT GETTING DONE LIKE TWO YEARS AGO WE BUDGETED 1,000,000.2 FOR PARKS AND PRIVILEGE AND THEN YOU COME UP AND SAY WELL YOUR GOALS WERE AND WE USE THESE BIG THINGS AND NOT GETTING ANYTHING DONE. TO ME, I THINK IT'S A COMPUTERWORLD VERSUS A RETAIL WORLD BUT WE HAVE TO FIND THINGS THAT WE WANT YOU TO GET
DONE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE ARE DEFINED THINGS IN THE STRATEGIC PLANS OF THE GOALS ARE WE SAY WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS AND THIS.
>> MAYOR: IS THIS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN? WE BUDGETED IT . EVERY YEAR WE BUDGET THAT INTERSECTION EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR WE HAVE HEARD EXCUSES AS TO WHY IT'S NOT DONE, IT'S A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE REASON IS THEY WANT THE ROAD DONE THEY WANT A SIDEWALK PUT IN. WHATEVER THEY WANT THEY WANT THINGS DONE SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE STRATEGIC PLAN EVERY YEAR TO ME THE BUDGET IS OUR YARDSTICK THAT WE SHOULD BE GRADED ON.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS NOT A BUDGET THAT WAS FORMULATED I THE CITY MANAGER.
>> MAYOR: I DISAGREE. HE WAS HERE ONE MONTH BEFORE THE BUDGET AND HE ARGUED THAT WE SHOULD BE BORROWING THE MONEY FOR THE BONDS AND ALL THE ROADS WERE DOING AND I WAS ARGUING WITH HIM AND HIS EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: BUT THE PREPARATION AND THE NUMBERS
WERE NOT FUELED. >> MAYOR: IT'S LIKE IF A COACH TAKES OVER A FOOT ALL TEAM AND THEY SAY I DON'T WANT TO USE MY
QUARTERBACK. >> MAYOR: WELL IF YOU WANT TO USE THE CIP 'S BUDGET. THE BUDGET HAS NO CLARITY AS TO WHAT HAPPENS. LAST YEAR'S BUDGET HAS NO SPECIFICS ON WHAT
TO DO. >> MAYOR: AM TALKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD IF WE BUDGET 700,000 FOR SIDEWALKS I WANT 700,000 OF SIDE DELAY SIDEWALKS BUILD. I'M NOT SAYING HE'S DOING IT BUT IN GENERAL I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT IN APRIL MY EVALUATION IS COMING UP AND WERE KICKING OFF SIDEWALKS. WE SHOULD HAVE A YEAR'S PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE WHO GETS PAID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT COMES WITH TREMENDOUS RESPONSIBILITY NO PATS ON THE BACK UNFORTUNATELY HERE'S WHAT'S WRONG NOT WHAT'S RIGHT AND THAT'S WHY HE GETS PAID WHAT HE GETS PAID TO SOME EXTENT. TO ME IF WE ARE GRADING ON WHAT HIS EMPLOYEES THINK HE'S DOING RIGHT THAT'S TOO SUBJECTIVE FOR ME.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE NOT GRADING HIM ON THAT.
>> MAYOR: IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. WE HAD AN EMPLOYEES WHO WAS CRYING AND A CITY MANAGER, THIS ISN'T JAMES PERSONALITY BUT A CITY MANAGER CAN GET THERE EMPLOYEES TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I SEEN THEM SAY EVERYTHING TO ME AND I THINK IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WE SHOULD HEAR THAT FROM
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THE EMPLOYEES AND I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THINGS THAT WE CAN GRADE AND BE DEFINITIVE ON BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CITY MANAGER THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS GETTING THINGS DONE YOU DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEE COMPLAINTS IT SHOULD NOT BE WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE THEM IT SHOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT HE'S GETTING THE JOB DONE. IF WE KEEP IT SUBJECTIVE WE OPEN THAT UP TO PEOPLE AND I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT TALKS.>> COUNCIL MEMBER: TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE COLOR COMET IN THE CORPORATE WORLD YOU CAN SETTLE ON THINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN MY IS A SHOULD WE HAVE IS CRITICAL SUCCESS FACTORS. WE SET THEM IN A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION WHERE YOU SPECIFY WHAT THESE GOALS ARE GOING TO BE. WHAT THE CRITERIA AND TIMELINE ARE AND THEN WE DO A MIDYEAR UPGRADE WHICH THEN IF WE DO THAT IN MARCH WITH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND THE BUDGET GETS ADOPTED AT MIDYEAR FROM THAT POINT WHICH THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS, IF THE COUNCIL CHANGES THE FUNDING YOU CANNOT HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY CONTROL THE PURSE STRINGS.
ONCE YOU HAVE THE BUDGET ADOPTED YOU DO THE MIDCYCLE REFRESH IN OCTOBER THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BASED ON WHAT WE SAID BEFORE AND BASED ON WHAT THE BUDGET GOT SET TO AN OAKLEY BASED ON THE GUIDANCE YES THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED NOW YOU HAVE TO EXECUTE THE DOCUMENT WE AGREED TO IN OCTOBER AND WHERE WE SET THE FINAL QUALIFICATIONS SO YOU DO THE FINAL REVIEW MARCH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS A MIDCYCLE AND SOMETHING IT'S TIED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN WITH CRITICAL SUCCESS FACTORS YOU CAN TWEAK IT BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN IN THAT WAY THE BUDGET THEN APPLIES TO IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T EXPECT HIM TO SAY I WANT YOU TO GO DO THESE FIVE ROAD PROJECTS AND WE DIDN'T FIND IT AND THEY SAY YOU DID NOT DO YOUR JOB. AND WE SAY WE DIDN'T FUND HIM TO DO IT AND THAT'S WHY WE DO THE CYCLE AFTER THE BUDGET.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M CONFUSED IF MY IDEA IS BASED ON THE BUDGET YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T GRADE HIM SOMETHING IS NOT BEING BUDGETED. WE ARE
ONLY GRADED ON. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE CAN MAKE A BUDGET BUT WE CAN CHANGE IT AND ADOPTED WE DO. IN MARCH YOU HAD COUNCIL IS SET THIS IS WHAT WE WANT HIM TO DO. WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN MAY WHERE THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE AND THEY MAY CHANGE IT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE BECAUSE THEY DICTATE WHAT THE FINAL BUDGET IS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY IN OCTOBER YOU SET THE FINAL GOALS AND OUTS BASED ON THAT COUNSEL THAT CHANGED OVER IN MAY AND THE BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED THAT CAN PROVE THAT HE OR SHE HAS THE FUNDS TO GO DO THAT AND AND THEY HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH TILL MARCH AND YOU EVALUATE DID THEY DO THOSE ITEMS? IT'S THE SAME COUNSEL THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS THAT DID IT. AND THEN YOU SET A NEW STRATEGIC GOAL IN MARCH IT MIGHT BE THE SAME PEOPLE IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT AT LEAST TWO OR THREE PEOPLE BE UP FOR AN ELECTION IN MAY. THEY GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL IT'S A NEW BODY AND THEY DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS. THAT IS HOW YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING LOGICALLY IT'S NOT CAPRICIOUS THIS ABLE TO BE UNDERSTOOD. I COULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE PROBLEM IS WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A YEAR AGO AND SET GOALS A YEAR AGO AND WE DIDN'T DO IT. WE ARE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT THE GOALS ARE NOW AND WERE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT WE CAN REASONABLY SAY WHAT WILL BE THE GOALS I THINK THE STRATEGIC PLANNING IN MARCH IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ON THERE AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ADD A COMPONENT OF HOW DO YOU THINK THE BUDGET WAS IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND DID YOU GET THINGS DONE IN THE BUDGET? I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT JUST AS A COMPONENT. AND AS SOON AS WE SET THE BUDGET THIS YEAR WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTION TO SET GOALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EVALUATED AT THE NEXT REVIEW. SO THAT WE DON'T DO THIS AGAIN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT WE SET THE STANDARDS. BASICALLY SKIP THE YEAR BECAUSE THE GUY SAID THE STRATEGIC PLAN WE PAY A GUY TO COME IN AND WE WRITE NICE PILLARS AND WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ARE ALL SUBJECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO IT IN THE CORPORATE WORLD BUT IN MY WORLD WE HAVE BUDGETS AND YOU HIT THEM OR YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T ARGUE CONCEPTS. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE SKIP THIS ONE AND THEN SET IT AND WE HAVE A BUDGET AND IF YOU WANT TO ADJUST THINGS IN SIX MONTHS. I HAVE TALKED TO OTHER MAYERS IN BIGGER CITIES AND IT IS KIND OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON WAS SAYING. SET UP GOALS YOU ARE FUNDING THINGS AND THEN GRADING BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED
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TO DO. TO SAY POTENTIALLY THE COUNCIL CHANGES AND WE CHANGE THE BUDGET KEEP IN MIND IN A WEIRD YEAR MIGHT HAVE COUNCILMEMBERS AND IN FOUR YEARS WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN UP HERE TO CHANGE. WE MAY TWEAK A THING OR ADD AN ITEM BUT WE HAVE NEVER SAID STRIP OUT 18 MILLION ROADS AND MOVE THEM OVER HERE. YOU ARE COMING IN AND YOU GUYS WE'VE ALL BEEN DOING IT AT SOME POINT. WE ARE MAKING MOTIONS AND CHANGING THINGS. TO ME, COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON I WOULD LIKE A BLENDOF THINGS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S FINE. DON'T THINK I'M GETTING MAD BECAUSE I WANT TO CHANGE IT WHAT YOU REMEMBERING IS CITY MANAGER, I CANNOT FIND IT CAN YOU SEND US THE SIGNED DOCUMENT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS IN A FOLDER ON TEAMS UNDER STRATEGIC
PLANNING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET INTO THAT. IT USED TO BE THAT WE CAN GET INTO STUFF BUT NOW I CANNOT FIND IT. BEFORE WE GET STARTED HELP MENO
HOW DO I GET IN THERE? TEAMS? >> MAYOR: SEE WHERE IT SAYS
CITY COUNCIL FILES? ? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE HOW WINDOWS EXPLORED US. STAFF DELIVERABLES? HERE
WE GO. >> MAYOR: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT.
THAT'S ONE THING YOU CAN DO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: JUST CLICK BACK TO THE NEXT TAB TO SEE IF YOU HAVE GENERAL OR DOCUMENTS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHY ARE THEY GETTING MODIFIED? IT SAYS
MODIFIED YESTERDAY MORNING. >> MAYOR: IT COULD BE BECAUSE WAS JUST PASTED IN. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 21.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE THESE THE DRAFT ONCE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: Y'ALL BASICALLY PASS THIS DRAFT THIS IS THE OUTCOME AND THE DELIVERABLES ARE THE END OF THE
DOCUMENT STARTING AT PAGE 21. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE STRATEGIC PLAN GOT SIGNED BY DOUG GOLL.
>> MAYOR: THAT'S AN OLDER ONE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE FROM
STRATEGIC PLAN. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE ISSUE WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS IT DID NOT HAVE THE SMART GOALS LAID OUT YOU HAD TO CREATE GOALS FROM IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU GO TO PAGE 21 COLLABORATE FOR EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY THERE ARE GOALS BENEATH THAT AND SOME OF THOSE ARE DELIVERABLES. INCORPORATES A NEW BUDGET CALENDAR DURING YEAR 2324 TO INCLUDE PUBLIC INPUT AND THE CREATION OF THE HUBS, IMPLEMENTATION OF RIGHTS AND
THAT WAS PROJECT MANAGEMENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IN MY SUPPOSED TO GRADE THE HUBS WITH PROBLEM-SOLVING AND KEY MEMBERS OF STAFF? THAT IS SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE I WOULD SIT AND ARGUE WE HAVE NOT STREAMLINED THINGS MAYBE WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT ARE BUT TO ME THAT IS A SUBJECTIVE THING SO FOR GOING TO GRADE YOU ON SUBJECTIVE THINGS I WOULD CAUTION YOU THAT I WOULD FEEL IT WOULD BE BETTER IF HEY, I'VE GOT TO WIN 12 GAMES THIS YEAR BOOM YOU WIN 12 WHETHER THEY ARE CLOSE OR BLOWOUT YOU WIN 12 BUT IT'S LIKE HOW YOU WIN THE GAME. NO ONE, NOT EVERYBODY IS
GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH YOU. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THESE ARE THE GOALS WE GAVE HIM WE AS A COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS DOCUMENT.
WE AS A COUNSEL. >> MAYOR: WE DID NOT SAY THESE ARTICLES WERE GOING TO GRADE YOU ON.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE AS A COUNSEL GRADE YOU ON THE GOALS AND THE PERSON TASKED WITH THE GOALS OF THE CITY MANAGER AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THESE GOALS IF THE NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR YOU OR WHATEVER MY ASSUMPTION WAS AN UNDERSTANDING WAS IN THIS NEXT MARCH WE WOULD SET NEW GOALS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GOALS SPEAK UP AND SAY YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE DID IT LAST YEAR LET'S DO IT DIFFERENT AT THE BUDGET AND DO ALL THESE THINGS BUT INSTEAD OF SCRAPPING IT AND SAYING LET'S SKIP A YEAR? I'D SAY THESE ARE BETTER THAN NOTHING GRADE HIM ON THESE THIS IS A STARTING POINT IN THIS COMING MARCH WHEN WE DO OUR NEXT STRATEGIC PLAN WE CAN SAY THESE ARE SPECIFIC GOALS ARE GOING TO SIT YOU AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GRADE
YOU ON. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO IMPLEMENT YOUR BUDGETING SOFTWARE DID HAPPEN OR NOT? YES I DID. THE NEXT ONE IS EXPLORE AND EXPAND
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CREATIVE FINANCING MEASURES TO BE USED FOR PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE NEXT ONE IS STRATEGICALLY MOVING FUNCTIONS IN HOUSE TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY WELL WE BROUGHT THE CITY MANAGER WE HIRED A CITY ENGINEER WE BROUGHT IN OTHER STUFF AND WE HAVE TAKEN THAT STUFF IN HOUSE WE DID AN ADOPTED FEE TO PASTOR THE COST OF THE THIRD-PARTY SO IT'S NOT ON TAXPAYER DIME. THAT IS A VERY GOOD GOAL THAT YOU CAN RIGHT NOW I CAN SAY YES, SIR NO HE DID OR DID NOT DO THAT AND THAT'S JUST TO WRITE THERE AND UNDER GROSS SUSTAINABILITY IS SAYS PLANNING ON HIGHWAY STATE30 ON-RAMP CONSTRUCTED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS SAYS BEGIN THE CONVERSATION AND PLANNING. THAT GOAL IS SO WEAK YOU COULD LET IT GO. BUT I CALLED THE GUY AND I SAID HEY, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE RAMP.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IN MARCH WE CAN BE SPECIFIC BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHEN WE PASS THIS AT NO POINT IN TIME YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ON RECORD DID WE EVER SAY CITY MANAGER YOU'RE PASSING THIS MAC THIS WILL BE WHAT WE ARE GRADING YOU ON? AND SO I'M GOING TO SAY IF ARE GOING TO DO THINGS TO ME YOU ARE GOING SIX MONTHS LATER AND SAYING I WANT A GRADE BASED ON WHAT WE PASSED HERE AND MAYBE I'LL GO AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE WE PASS. I WANT TO GRADE ON THE BUDGET WE DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SAY WERE GOING TO DO THIS SO I'M ARGUING WHY ARE WE GRADING HIM ON THE BUDGET THAT WE PASSED BECAUSE HE STARTED IN AUGUST AND HE PASSED IT IN SEPTEMBER SO WHY NOT GRADE HIM ON THE BUDGET?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: LET'S DO IT .
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAKE IT AN AMENDMENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE HAD A GOAL THAT WE WOULD START AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND HE DID THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NEXT YEAR IT WILL BE BETTER BECAUSE THE BUDGET WAS CRAFTED DIFFERENTLY.
>> MAYOR: I WILL SECOND THAT AMENDMENT IF IT'S MADE. I WILL
MAKE IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: A FRIENDLY
AMENDMENT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE YOU
GOING TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL MAKE MY MOTION AS I ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITION INCLUDING THE BUDGET IN THE REVIEW.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S FOR THIS YEAR? MEASURING HIM FOR
THIS YEAR? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE YEAR THAT IS ENDING SEPTEMBER 30. B2 FY 23.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ARE WE MOVING THE GOALPOST ON HIM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME. ARE WE MOVING THE GOALPOST TASTE ON OR WE GOING TO ADD IN THE BUDGET?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: BUDGET 2022 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2023 THAT TIME
PERIOD? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE HAS BEEN HERE THAT LONG AND HE CAN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER HE HAS CARRIED OUT THE BUDGET OR NOT. THAT IS FAIR.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: TO HIS POINT WE NEVER SAID HOW WE WERE
GOING TO GRADE HIM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU MIGHT GET SOME BETTER MARKS ON THIS FIRST ROUND.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOUR MOTION AS YOU PRESENTED AND ADDING IN THE BUDGET ARE STILL ABLE TO SAY THAT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S NEVER BEEN A PROCESS WE ARE ESTABLISHING THE PROCESS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SO ESTABLISH THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD DON'T JUST DO IT NOW. THIS ONE WILL BE GOING FORWARD.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NOW YOU ARE BRINGING IN SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL MEASURE HIS SUCCESS ON RIGHT NOW.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE SEASON IS OVER AN HOUR GRADING
POLICIES AND WITH. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I GET THAT THIS WAS THE BUDGET FOR THIS PAST YEAR BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO THAT HAPPEN NOW?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HE WAS HERE AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO HOLD
HIM ACCOUNTABLE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE HAVE TEVA BUDGET EVERY YEAR. HE CAME IN IN SEPTEMBER AND WE ADOPTED A BUDGET BEFORE THE LAST YEAR HE COULD ONLY SPEND
FUNDS IN THE BUDGET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN I HELP YOU ALL? I APPRECIATE IT BUT I WILL GLADLY CONSENT TO REVIEWING THE BUDGET OVER THE LAST YEAR AND THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THEIR THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO GET DONE AS A PART OF MY EE VAL I WILL GLADLY CONSENT TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE CONSIDERED DELIVERABLES THE CAME OUT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN MARCH AS PART OF MY EE VAL. I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE AT LEAST A GOOD PLACE TO START AND I THINK THAT COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT HAS SET A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT SMART GOALS AND TO ME THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO GET TO IS GETTING THE ACTUAL GOALS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YES I HAVE DONE THIS AND I'VE DONE A LOT MORE THAN THIS. BUT WHAT THINGS YOU VALUE AND WHAT
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THINGS YOU DON'T I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT TOLD ME AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE NEXT THING IS THE INTENT IS TO SAY GIVE ME FEEDBACK OVER THE LAST YEAR AND YOU NEED SOME WAY TO DO THAT SO THIS IS SOME WAY TO DO IT IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY I DON'T THINK BUT IT IS DEFINITELY SOME WAY AND I CONSENT TO ALL OF YOUR POINTS I THINK THEY ARE ALL VALID IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO ME TO DO THAT. YES, NO ONE TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE EVALUATING YOU WANT BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT I GET EVALUATED ON. DID I ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS I SAID I WOULD DO? DID I FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE INITIATIVES? I DID DO THOSE THINGS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE EVALUATING ME ON THAT IN THE FUTURE IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING OF WHAT YOU ARE EVALUATING BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DETERMINE WHEN I NEED TO DECIDE WHERE TO INVEST MY TIME AND ENERGY WHERE DO YOU GUYS AS A BODY HAVE A CORPUS VALUE.>> COUNCIL MEMBER: BEST ONE THING I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT IS WE DON'T GIVE HIM DIRECTION TEND TO RELY ON JAMES GIVING US DIRECTION OR OPINION AND THEY SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BECAUSE AS A COUNSEL WE SHOULD BE SAYING WE WANT YOU TO GO SAY IT THE SHIP AND WE WANT YOU TO GO TO THIS PLACE WITH THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND HE COMES BACK AND SAYS I CAN'T GET BACK QUICK UNLESS YOU GIVE ME MORE MONEY THE OLD EASTSIDE AND THE EXPECTATION IS HE WILL GET THERE ON TIME AND UNDER BUDGET IF HE MISSES THE LOCATION THE TIMING, THE MONEY WE CAN HOLD ACCOUNTABLE BUT WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO THINK BROAD-BASED AND DON'T GIVE HIM ANYTHING TO ACT ON AND HERE'S THE ISSUE HERE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ISSUE RATHER THAN JUST SKIP EVAL SET THE STANDARD AND HOLD THEM LATER.
IF YOU ARE OKAY - >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. IF MY BOSS CAME TO ME AND SAID I KNOW WHAT I TOLD YOU PRIOR TO THEM GOING TO SWITCH IT UP ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO SAY I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY JOB AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SWITCHING IT UP AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH ITH THAT OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD SAY YES I WOULD DO SMART MOVE I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. WHAT YOU DO IS SET THE STANDARD MOVING FORWARD WE DO WHAT WE DO AND SKIP THE EVAL.
>> MAYOR: >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD NOT SKIP SKIP EVAL. WE ARE GOING TO LEARN FROM IT YOU WILL LEARN FROM IT AND WE WILL MAKE CHANGES ON HOW WE DO IT AND THEN IT WILL GROW OVER TIME, RIGHT MAC I WOULD NEVER SAY
DON'T DO EVAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL BE QUICK. EVERYTHING THAT HE WAS EVALUATED ON WAS INHERENT. IF HE DID DID NOT THAT HE WOULD BE JUDGED ON HIS ABILITY TO NOT CARRY OUT A BUDGET AS A CITY MANAGER, IF HE DID NOT KNOW THAT GOING IN HE SHOULD NOT SIT IN THAT SEAT. HE KNOWS HE HAS TO DELIVER A BUDGET AND HE'S BEEN DOING IT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS IS A SURPRISE IT WOULD BE LIKE MY MANAGER COMING TO ME AND SAY I'M GOING TO EVALUATE YOU ON ALL THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST YEAR. T YEAR. GREAT. DO THAT. EVERYTHING IS IN THE SCOPE AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY I THINK HE IS COMFORTABLE DOING IT. I THINK HE IS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE IS IF IT WAS 90 PERCENT THIS WAY I DID NOT THINK IT WAS FAIR I WOULD ASSUME EVERYTHING IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT AND TREAT IT ALL THE SAME. I AM FINE DOING IT THAT WAY AND CERTAINLY IN THE FUTURE IT HELPS IF THERE ARE LIVABLE GOALS THAT ARE CLEAR THAT Y'ALL AS A CORPUS HAVE ELECTED AND DECIDED IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE CITY THAT DON'T VIOLATE THE ADMIN STRATA PRIVILEGES OF THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE I SHOULD SAY THAT, TOO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE DO HIGH-LEVEL CORPORATE GOALS WHICH I WOULD SAY THE COUNCIL IS. THERE ARE ALSO GOALS THAT ARE BOTTOM-UP AND YOU WANT TO AGREE WITH THESE AND BE JUDGED ON THESE AND THEY ARE WEIGHTED. I THINK THAT IS A SMART GOAL PROCESS, TOO. I MEAN, I MANAGED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD SAY IS THIS EVALUATION AS VALUABLE
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WHEN WE HAD SMART GOALS? NO. BUT GETTING THAT BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND GETTING WHAT HE HAS TO SAY BACK TO US WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCIPLINE IN OCTOBER AND SAY WE SET OUR BUDGET WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC PILLARS. SOME OF THEM ARE SPECIFIC AND MEASURABLE. THAT'S FINE. WE NEED TO TAKE THE ONES THAT AREN'T AND CREATE SPECIFIC GOALS OUT OF THEM OR JUST DISCARD THAT ONE BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING YOU MEASURE SO YOU CAN SAY DID YOU DO THIS OR NOT? IT HAS TO BE A MEASURE. I TRIED AND THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH? NO. DID YOU COMPASS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MEASURE YOU AGAINST.>> MAYOR: IS THIS FOR THIS YEAR OR ONGOING?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MY INTENTION WAS TO SET UP A PROCESS THAT WAS REPEATABLE. THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT WE WANT THE GOALSETTING AS A STRATEGIC PLAN IN MARCH AND LEAVE IT THERE AND DECOUPLED DURING THE TIME WE GIVE HIS ANNUAL REVIEW: DO WE WANT TO MOVE THE REVIEW TO MARCH OR OCTOBER?
>> MAYOR: I THINK YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE GOALS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: BY SEPTEMBER HE SHOULD SAY I KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TASKED ME WITH THESE GOALS. HE HAS 11 MONTHS. SO THERE YOU GO.
>> MAYOR: GOING FORWARD WE ARE AMENDING IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: TO HOLD AN ANNUAL GOALSETTING IN OCTOBER.
>> MAYOR: ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES. >> MAYOR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
ON WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS
GOING FORWARD: >> MAYOR: GOING FORWARD.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: AFTER THE EVALUATION WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE
IT FORWARD. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S WHAT WE DO. STUFF HAPPENS. BRYAN, IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS CANCELED IT'S GONE YOUR CONTROL IT GOT CANCELED. AND THEN THEY REPLACE IT WITH A DIFFERENT ONE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS FOR
MY PAY RAISE.[LAUGHTER] >> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT PLEASE
>>> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 11.2.
[11.2. Discussion and possible action on putting on the website Council/staff financial statements and/or campaign finance items (Mayor Snyder)]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE COUNSEL STAFF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND OR CAMPAIGN-FINANCE ITEMS. I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE FILL OUT THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY MATTERS AND WE ASK THE PUBLIC ON THESE THINGS. WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS WHEN I SEE THEY ARE DUE YOU HAVE THE COUNCIL AND YOUR NAME AND UNDER THE NAME HAS CAMPAIGN-FINANCE REPORTS AND A FINANCE THAT WOULD BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC WITH YOUR PHONE NUMBER WHATEVER IT IS WE HAVE YOUR FINANCIAL REPORTS SAME THING WITH THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. IF YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR KIDS NAMES I THINK IT SHOULD BE DEPENDENT ONE DEPENDENT TO. ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REDACTED SHOULD BE REDACTED AND I THINK IT IS ODD THAT DO THINGS FOR TRANSPARENCY AND THEN MAKE PEOPLE JUMP THROUGH HOOPS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EFFORT GOESINTO THIS STUFF. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THOUGHT
THE CAMPAIGN REPORTS WERE ON. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU GO TO ANOTHER CITY THEY HAVE EVERY CAMPAIGN-FINANCE SINCE THE
PERSON HAS BEEN ON THEIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FINANCIAL REDUCTIONS. THINGS THAT I
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REPORTED ON MY FILE. WHO I HAVE MY CAR LOAN WITH IS THATTYPICALLY REDACTED? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. WE DO NOT WANT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE
WITH YOUR IDENTITY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT WAS MY CONCERN ON MY FORM WHEN I LOOKED AT IT. THAT WAS THE
BIGGEST. >> MAYOR: THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. YOU'RE NOT GIVING YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME, YOUR FIRST PET, YOUR FAVORITE TEACHER, OR WHEN YOU WERE BORN BUT IF YOU DON'T PUT THINGS LIKE WHO YOUR CAR LOAN IS WITH THAT PERSON CAN PRESENT BUSINESS AND NO ONE KNOWS YOU HAVE A CONFLICT BECAUSE THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF IT, PRETTY SOON - I DON'T WANT MY STOCKS OR MY BROKERAGE ACCOUNT. ALL THE INFORMATION TODAY A PERSON OF THE PUBLIC CAN REQUEST.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: RIGHT. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT ON
THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO USE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU CAN DO A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE
WEBSITE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF I HAVE A LOAN WITH WELLS FARGO THEY CAN GET THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU GET ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM SOMEBODY THEY CAN SAY THEY ARE YOU AND CONVINCE WELLS FARGO TO CHANGE AN ACCOUNT NUMBER BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE THAT IT IS REALLY ME CALLING THEM. IF THEY KNOW I BANK THERE AND ALL THAT STUFF. ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME. IF WE ARE PUTTING IT ON I WOULD REQUEST AND I WILL MAKE THAT MY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THE NAMES OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT I BANK WITH OR WORK WITH OUR REDACTED. I DON'T WANT THAT ON THE WEBSITE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE FINDING OUT EXACT INSTITUTIONS I WORK WITH AND IS ALLOWED TO BE SENT OUT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY ISN'T EVEN SURE IF WE CAN GIVE IT TO THE PUBLIC THAN FINE. BUT I DON'T WANT IT EASILY READILY ACCESSIBLE ON THE WEBSITE FOR POTENTIAL CYBER CRIMINALS TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
>> MAYOR: BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS I CAN TELL YOU WHO YOUR MORTGAGE IS WITH ITS RECORDED DOCUMENT AND A DEED OF TRUST.
HOW MUCH YOU GOT THE LOAN FOR AND I THINK I CAN EVEN KNOW THE INTEREST RATE ON YOUR LOAN. I CAN TELL WHO HAS HAD A MECHANICS LIEN, WHO HAS GOTTEN A DIVORCE IT'S ALL IN THE REGISTER DEEDS SO ALL THE INFORMATION YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDE - YOU HAVE TO DIG INSTEAD OF HAVING IT READILY AVAILABLE.
>> MAYOR: YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS WEIRD!
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF IT'S THAT EASY WHAT IS YOUR BEEF
ABOUT HAVING IT ON HERE? >> MAYOR: I WOULD SAY IF IT'S THAT EASY WHY DO YOU WANT TO HIDE IT FROM PEOPLE? IF IT'S
THAT EASY WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW JUST ASK ME AND I WILL EMAIL IT. YOU DON'T HAVE
TO GO TO THE CITY SECRETARY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THAT CYBER CRIMINAL CAN GET THIS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I MIGHT
BE IN FAVOR OF IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: NOT EVEN
YOUR OWN EMPLOYER POSES THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: ITS VULNERABILITY RIGHT? PUTTING YOUR INFORMATION OUT THERE SOMEONE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY I DON'T KNOW HOW CYBER CRIMINALS WORK IN RUSSIA OR CHINA OR WHEREVER THEY COME FROM, RIGHT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MY BANK IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO GET ON AND YOU GUYS SAY JUST BY POSTING WELLS FARGO SOMEONE CAN
CONVINCE WELLS FARGO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S A WHOLE SITE CALLED SPEARFISHING.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: A QUESTION ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBERS? ARE YOUR PHONE NUMBERS ABLE TO BE POSTED?
>> MAYOR: BANK ACCOUNTS ARE NOT A REJECTABLE THING. PHONE
NUMBERS ARE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MY PHONE NUMBER IS OUT THERE IS SEEMS LIKE A BIT OF OVERSIGHT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: PUBLIC INFORMATION, THAT IS NOT PUBLIC. I WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH IT BECAUSE I CANNOT GIVE AN ON THE SPOT ANSWER BUT THE GENERAL RULE IS WHEN SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING FROM A CITY EMPLOYEE A PERSONAL FILE,
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ANNIE, YOU KNOW. >> MAYOR: AND ACCOUNT NUMBER FOR DIRECT DEPOSIT CANNOT BE RELEASED.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU HAVE AN INVESTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE IS A GENERAL CATEGORY ABOUT FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND THEN A SLEW OF ATTORNEY GENERAL PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND APPLY IT TO THIS SPECIFIC.
>> MAYOR: HERE'S WHAT GETS ME STARTED TO BE HONEST I DON'T KNOW WHO FILES THIS AND WHO DOESN'T AND WHEN YOU LEFT EYE HAD ASKED THE CITY MANAGER SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HIS FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND HE SAID HE HAD NOT DONE THAT YET AND I SAID A DEADLINE IS A DEADLINE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHECK EACH OTHER, DOES EVERYONE FEEL THERE'S UP? DID EVERYONE FILL OUT THERE CAMPAIGN-FINANCE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DID IT IN JULY.
>> MAYOR: SO YOU SAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE CITY
MANAGER HAS THAT. >> MAYOR: I'M NOT GOING TO HAMMER THAT EVERY TIME I WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING. HERE IS THE THING, I UNDERSTAND WE HAD ONE OR $93,000 THAT GOT RIPPED OFF AND EVERYONE IS SAYING WHY AND WERE LIKE OH MY GOD THAT WERE NOT TALKING ANYTHING IDENTIFIABLE SO IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND FIND OUT IF A BANK ACCOUNT CAN OR CAN'T?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE ONLY WAY I CAN BE IN FAVOR OF THIS AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL BUT IF THE CITY PAYS FOR FRAUD PROTECTION I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS LEGAL BUT IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO CITY EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE TO DO IT AND EVERYONE ON COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IF ANYTHING TO COME AGAINST HIS CREDIT REPORT AS FRAUD THERE IS AN INSURANCE PROGRAM TO SAY ALL RIGHT, PETER, WE ARE GOING TO HELP YOU OUT WITH THIS BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU GET INTO A GRAY AREA. IS THIS PERSONAL? WAS HE DOING DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS OR WAS IT RELATED TO MAC YOU CAN'T TIE IT TO CITY COUNCIL YOU CANNOT DETERMINE IT AND THAT IS WHY I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A GRAY AREA.
>> MAYOR: WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DISCLOSE TO THE PUBLIC. WE DON'T WANT ANYONE WHO WE OH LOANS TO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: LAST YEAR I PUT MINE ON FACEBOOK.
>> MAYOR: DID YOU CHECK YOUR BANK ACCOUNT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS ON THEIR BUT MY POINT WAS - FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. NEVER MIND.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THE CITY POSTING THESE ON, WHAT KIND OF LIABILITY IS THE CITY TAKING ON BY Y'ALL POSTING THIS ON THEIR AND WHAT IS THE PARAMETER OF INFORMATION THAT CAN BE POSTED ON BECAUSE OF THE
PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANT TO KNOW IF I GO OUT AND I REQUEST EVERYONE'S FINANCIAL REPORT AND NEVER I GET FROM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SYSTEM AND I MAKE A WEBSITE AND I PUBLISH THAT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A CITIZEN DOING IT OR THE CITY DOING IT. YOU MAY HAVE MADE IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO GET INFORMATION. I CAN SEE OTHER CITIES DOING THIS AND MAYBE THEY ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF GREAT I DON'T WANT TO HAMMER THE CITY SECRETARY
BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK WE
WERE THE ONLY ONES ON THEIR. >> MAYOR: WHAT ABOUT LTC? BECAUSE IF YOU ARE ON OGC YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE ON THE LTC IS A CURRENT CITY COUNCILMEMBER. MAYBE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HERS IS NOT .
>> MAYOR: IF YOU CAN COME BACK ON THE SEVENTH OF WHAT THE PARAMETERS COULD BE WE WILL FINISH ARGUING. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ANYBODY'S MONEY STOLEN. WHO KNOWS MAYBE SOMEONE WILL DEPOSIT. $193,000 MIGHT FALL INTO YOUR ACCOUNT AND WE WILL BE LIKE HOW DID YOU GET THAT MONEY I PUT MY ACCOUNT NUMBER
THERE.[LAUGHTER] >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY IT DIFFERENTLY. IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> MAYOR: THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO FIND OUT. I WILL BE HONEST HERE IS WHY TAKE ME FOR EXAMPLE PERSONALLY I HAVE WHAT SOME MAY CALL SIGNIFICANT LOANS WITH EACH OF MY BANKS. SO WOULD YOU
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ALL LIKE TO KNOW IF WE ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION DOES THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER OR ANYONE HAS WAS SOMEONE WOULD DETERMINE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY OWE TO A BANK DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY OUT TO THE BANK BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE?>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO WEEK USE YOURSELF AND IF YOU DIDN'T YOU MIGHT HAVE A RECORD THAT SAID YOU HAD A CONFLICT AND THEN IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE-
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS. YOU MIGHT HAVE A BANK -
>> MAYOR: I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN DEAL ON ALONE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: CHAPTER 171 WHEN YOU FILE FOR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS MOST OF THAT STUFF IS NOT GOING TO FLY.
>> MAYOR: I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE OF STATE REPS FOR THEIR DISCLOSURE BECAUSE WERE FOLLOWING WHAT THEY DO AND I WILL BE HONEST, IF THEY SHOW BANK ACCOUNTS I'M GOING TO EXPECT BANK ACCOUNTS. IF THEY SHOW STUFF REDACTED, LOOK AT THE STUFF THAT CAME OUT WITH.HE HAD A HIDDEN DUPLEX. I'M NOT SAYING GETTING TO THAT DETAIL BUT WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE I ALWAYS WONDER, DO YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NO. I'M PROTECTING MY FAMILY AGAINST FRAUD. SITUATION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT WERE
TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DON'T GET
UPSET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I AM
GETTING UPSET. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I CAN BRING IT BACK ON 97 IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS EMAIL ME AND I WILL
ADDRESS IT. >> MAYOR: FOR THE RECORD I WAS IN JUST ABOUT PEOPLE UP HERE HIDING STUFF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE HIDING BUT IT WAS IN JUST THAT I SAID IT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ACTION WE WILL JUST BRING IT BACK. DON'T GET
[11.3. Consideration and possible action relating to request to the County Attorney for the submittal of a Request for Opinion to the Texas Attorney General on behalf of the City of Hutto regarding whether the term "written verification" as used in three Government Code sections, Section 2271.002 (no boycotting Israel), Section 2276.002 (no boycotting energy companies), and Section 2274.002 (no discriminating against firearm entities or firearm trade associations) respecting government contracts for goods or services require a verification under oath or only a statement in writing (Legal)]
TOO SERIOUS. WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 11.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO REQUEST TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE SUBMITTAL OF A REQUEST FOR OPINION TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF HUTTO REGARDING WHETHER THE TERM WRITTEN VERIFICATION USED IN THREE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION SECTION 2271.002, SECTION 226.002 AND SECTION 227POINT 002 NOTICE COMING AGAINST FIREARM ENTITIES OR TRADE ASSOCIATIONS RESPECTING GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS FOR GOODS AND SERVICES REQUIRES A VERIFICATION OR OATH INWRITING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR AND COUNCIL TYPICALLY PARAGRAPHS IN THE CONTRACT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO VERIFY AND NOT BOYCOTT ISRAEL OR ENERGY COMPANIES OR FIREARMS BUT YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE STATUTE IT REQUIRES A WRITTEN VERIFICATION AND THAT IS WHAT THIS REQUEST TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS, THE PARAGRAPH IS NOT SUFFICIENT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A WRITTEN VERIFICATION AND THAT'S WHY WERE ASKING FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION. IT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO CONTRACTS, IT IS STATE CONTRACTS AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY CONTRACTS. IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY BUT
OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR, I AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS A MINUTE REQUEST TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO REQUEST AN OPINION TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL REGARDING WHETHER THE TERM WRITTEN VERIFICATION IS USED IN THE THREE GOVERNMENT CODES CITED REQUIRES VERIFICATION UNDER OATH OR ONLY A STATEMENT IN WRITING IS REQUIRED.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND. >> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AND SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. I DON'T MIND THIS GOING TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY UNLESS IT SEEMS LIKE BUSY WORK UNLESS SOMEONE CHALLENGED IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YEAH, ONE OF THE RECENT CONTRACTS WE HAVE
A VERIFICATION IN. >> MAYOR: DID THEY SAY THEY
DID NOT WANT TO SIGN IT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WAS A
TWO WEEK BATTLE. >> MAYOR: IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BATTLING ISRAEL OR OIL COMPANIES?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON WAS BUT A
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LOT OF IT WAS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH HOUSE BILL 95 THESE CONTRACTS MIGHT NOT BE VALID IF THEY ARE NOT VERIFIEDIN WRITING. >> MAYOR: THEY REFUSE TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THE LANGUAGE IN IT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: KNOW WE GOT THEM TO SIGN. THEY WERE SAYING
THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT. >> MAYOR: WHY DON'T WE SAY MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD AND WE FIND SOMEBODY ELSE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WAS A CONTRACT -
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IN EXECUTIVE
SESSION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOU SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT HERE.
>> MAYOR: ANYTIME I HEAR THAT IT IS PART OF THE LAW.
>> MAYOR: IT IS PART OF DISCLOSURE AND WE DON'T WANT TO
BE TALKING ABOUT AT. >> MAYOR: ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE THESE CALL THE VOTE.
>>.[VOTING] >> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES
[12. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
7-0. COMING UP ON CONSENT. DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT PEOPLE WANT PULLED? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 12.4, 12.7 AND 12.14.HEARING NONE OTHER, NO OTHER ITEMS TO PULL I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, TOTAL POINTS FIVE,
TOLL .6 - >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I MAKE A
MOTION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND.
>> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
>>.[VOTING] >>> MAYOR: I LOST COUNT.
[12.4. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2023-184 authorizing the City Manager to execute an agreement with Archer Western for Construction Manager At Risk (CMAR) services associated with the South Wastewater Treatment Plant (S WWTP) expansion to 6.0 MGD in the amount of $1,175,133 (CIP WW-06) (Matt Rector)]
WITH SEVEN? THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 2.4.CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R- 2023 -184 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGEMENT TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH ARCHER WESTERN FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK SEE MAR SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. IS THIS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WHERE WE WOULD HELP FACILITATE ALMOST LIKE A PROJECT MANAGER? ?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WOULD ALSO GET BUDGETED FOR COST.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS WOULD BE A PARTNER WHO COMES IN WITH DESIGN WHO HAS THE EXPERTISE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DESIGN WORLD YOU HAVE THE ENGINEER AND CONTRACTOR IF YOU WERE PAIRED UP AT THE BEGINNING THE FIRST PART WOULD BE ASSIGNING SEE MAR WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING ARCHER WESTERN AND THE NEXT THING THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS ARCHER WESTERN AFTER CERTAIN PHASE OF DESIGN GIVE A GUARANTEED NOT TO EXCEED PRICE THAT WE CAN LOCK IN AND SAY YES WE WILL GET THIS PLANT WITH THESE TERMS WITH THIS DESIGN FOR THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT. IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO LOCK IT IN WE HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO LOCK IT IN AS WE MOVE FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO DESIGN. THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS IS WE CAN EFFECTIVELY VALUE ENGINEER IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD GIVING BACK TO THE DESIGN TEAM AS THEY ARE DESIGNING.
>> MAYOR: WE ARE PAYING $1.2 MILLION TO ACCOMPANY HOLD HANDS WITH THE ENGINEER TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP AND POTENTIALLY SAVE US MONEY? AM I OVER SIMPLIFYING THAT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: A LITTLE BIT BUT I WILL LET MATT YOU IN
YOUR INFORMATION IF YOU LIKE. >> MAYOR: SEEMS LIKE ANYTIME OF THE BIG PROJECT ALL THE ENGINEERS WANT TO GIVE.
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WHATEVER YOU BUILD IS 10 TO 15 PERCENT OF THE VALUE. I THINK PEOPLE FIND REASONS AND WAYS FOR ENGINEERING AND WANT TO BE SURE ARE WE GETTING 1.2 MILLION OF BENEFIT OR ARE WE SPENDING 1.2 MILLION AND WE WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME PROJECT COSTS?>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY YOU WILL GET $1.2 MILLION OF SAVINGS IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTRACT. LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID THIS PART OF THE CMAR IS YOU BRING THEM ON NOW AND FIND THINGS THAT WILL HIT US. TYPICAL PROCESS IS YOU DESIGN EVERYTHING AND YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS AND THEN WE KICK IT OVER TO THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY GO OUT AND SAY WELL THE ENGINEER MISSED THIS OR THAT AND WE NEED TO CHANGE FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL THOSE THINGS RIGHT? THE IDEA BEING YOU PUT IT ALL UP FRONT THE CONTRACTOR IS WORKING SIDE-BY-SIDE AT THE ENGINEER THE LAST PART OF THE DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROOFING WHAT THE ENGINEER IS DOING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS AND THEN ALONG THAT WAY THEY ARE TELLING YOU AT THIS STAGE WERE GOING TO TELL YOU THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. $150 MILLION TO BUILD THE PROJECT YOU SAY I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT YET WE KEEP WORKING IN THE KEEP DOING COST ESTIMATES AND THEY COME BACK AND SAY IT'S GOING TO COST YOU $180 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS SO THEN YOU SAY WELL WE JUST JUMPED UP 30 MILLION AND KEEP WORKING. NOW WE ARE AT 160 MILLION AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK IT WILL LAND AND YOU CAN LOCK IT IN SO THEN AS PART OF THAT. WE'VE GOT IAN FROM CARVER AND THE TEAM FROM ARCHER WESTERN AND THEY HAVE DONE THIS WAY MORE THAN I HAVE SO THEY CAN JUMP UP AND SCREAM AND SHOUT IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING INCORRECT BUT BASICALLY ONCE YOU GET TO A POINT AND SAY LET'S LOCK IT IN THERE'S A RISK REGISTER THIS PART OF THE PROCESS BASICALLY SAYS WE UNDERSTAND AS A CONTRACTOR WE ARE TAKING THESE RISKS SO IF ANY OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN THAT THEY MISSED IN THAT PROCESS THEY CANNOT TURN AROUND AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE ORDER THIS. IT IS THERE RISK AND THEY TOOK IT ON AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PROCESS COMES IN RENA CONTRACTOR IN EARLY STARTING TO DO THE EARLY REQUIREMENT PACKAGES HELPS WITH INSURING THE WE CAN GET PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY COME AND BUILD THESE THINGS FOR US. WE ARE IN A HIGH DEMAND MARKET AND THEY'VE GOT CONNECTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME UP THEY HAVE THE CONNECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET THE STUFF BUILT BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION LABOR IS SOMEWHAT HARD IN THIS MARKET. THIS IS FOR WITH ARCHER WESTERN AND THE OTHER BENEFIT OF ARCHER WESTERN AS THEY BUILT THE ORIGINAL PLANT BEEN ON THE SITE THEY KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE THEY KNOW WHAT THE GROUND IS LIKE. DID I
SAY ANYTHING? >> SPEAKER: YOU IN THE CITY MANAGER YOU DESCRIBED THE PROCESS EXACTLY. WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM SIDE-BY-SIDE THROUGH THE COURSE OF DESIGN TO ENSURE THAT THE FINISHED PROJECT WITH THE FINISHED DESIGN IS CONSTRUCT A BOWL, WITHIN BUDGET AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A SCHEDULE IF NEEDED.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE PAYING SOMEONE WHO'S DESIGN IS THIS? WHAT ARE WE PAYING TO HAVE THAT ENGINEER? ANY GUESSES. IT HAS TO BE HIGH FOR PAYING 1 MILLION.
>> SPEAKER: I THINK THE CONTRACT WAS 13. IS THAT RIGHT? 13? SO WE PAY THEM 7 MILLION AND THE CONTRACTOR IS COMING BACK AND SAYING YOU DIDN'T DESIGN THIS RIGHT YET TO FIX THIS AND THIS ISN'T A GOOD THING TO DO IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY KNOW THAT INFORMATION WHY CAN'T THEY DO A DESIGN BUILD AND DO IT THEMSELVES? IF THEY HAVE THE
KNOW-HOW. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I KNOW I AM FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE SEEMS LIKE WHENEVER THERE'S A BIG PROJECT THERE'S A LOT OF OVERSIGHT AND I JUST SIT BACK I SENT A PICTURE OF A BRIDGE THAT I SAW BEING BUILT BY THE CITY MANAGER SAID IT HAD BEEN DESIGNED THE CONTRACTOR BUILT IT TO DESIGN AND PASSED INSPECTION AND WE WOULD NEVER HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME BACK AND START DICTATING THE DESIGN BECAUSE WE DID THAT WE WOULD FIND A NEW ENGINEER AND SAY THE CONSTRUCTION GUY SAID YOU ARE WRONG SO YOU ARE GONE AND WE
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GOT A NEW GUY THAT KNOWS HOW TO ENGINEER STUFF TO BE BUILT. I KNOW THESE ARE COMPLEX SYSTEMS AND WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT A ROAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING MASSIVELY MORE.>> SPEAKER: WE ARE NOT ELATED BY THE STATE TO DO DESIGN BUILD. WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION FOR THAT. THE OTHER THING IS THESE GUYS ARE CONTRACTORS CONSTRUCTION GUYS THEY ARE NOT ENGINEERS THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO THE
DESIGN. >> SPEAKER: FUNCTIONALLY CMAR IS DESIGNED BUILT FOR YOU WOULD HAVE A CONTRACTOR THE NEAR JANE BILLY ENGINEER AND COMPANY SAYING GOING TO WORK TOGETHER WERE GOING TO GIVE YOU MAXIMUM PRICE GOING TO DESIGN THIS THING WERE GOING TO DELIVER IT AT A PRICE THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING FOR THE MOST PART JUST A DIFFERENT CREATURE UNDER
A DIFFERENT NAME. >> MAYOR: DON'T COME BACK WITH CHANGE ORDERS BECAUSE I WILL REMEMBER FOR.
>> SPEAKER: ONCE WE AGREE TO THEIR PROPOSED MAXIMUM PRICE
THAT IS IT. >> MAYOR: THAT'S I'M SAYING YOU GUYS KNOW WE ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE COMING BACK WITH A STORY ABOUT COVID AND IT RAINED TOO MUCH AND THERE'S ALWAYS
SOMETHING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S WHY YOU LOCK IT IN BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
>> MAYOR: WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS DON'T BOTHER COMING UP HERE YOU'RE GOING TO IN TWO YEARS GIVE ME A STORY THAT WILL SAY I REMEMBER FROM TWO YEARS AGO YOU SAID.
>> SPEAKER: THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF WORKING WITH CMAR IS WE WILL BE DEVELOPING THE SPECS AND WE KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO BE BUILDING AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY SURPRISES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE IS A SURPRISE YOU MIGHT NOT BE HERE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF THEY HAVE A MAX BUILD PRICE. BASED ON THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO 23 184 AS PRESENTED.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SAID IT. >> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.
[12.7. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2023-183 authorizing the City Manager to execute a Benefits Package with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas for Fiscal Year 2024 (Irene Talioaga)]
>> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 2.7 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R- 2023 -183 AUTHORIZING THE SEA MANAGER TO EXECUTE A BENEFITS PACKAGE WITH BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD OF TEXAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING LAST YEAR WE ADDED A LOT OF STUFF THAT ENDED UP TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE. I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER TOLD US PREVIOUSLY THE RATE IS GOING DOWN BUT DOES THIS INCLUDE EAP AND EVERY SINGLE THING? ADD TO
CALL YOU APPEAR. >> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING CITY AND COUNSEL. WE ARE THE HR. THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING, SIR.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: CAN I CLARIFY THE EAP IS THROUGH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD HE SPECIFICALLY SAID EAP. WHAT IS DENNIS PACKAGES HEALTH, THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT, DENTAL, VISION BASIC LIFE LONG-TERM DISABILITY AND SHORT-TERM DISABILITY GOING OFF OF WHAT IS IN THE PACKET.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT'S EXACTLY YEAR-TO-YEAR.
>> SPEAKER: THE HEALTH ALL THIS IS LISTED ON THE COVER SHEET. THE HEALTH HAD A RATE PASS WHICH MEANS WE DID NOT HAVE AN INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE RATES. THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT STAYED THE SAME. DENTAL HAD A SLIGHT UPTICK RICHES IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND ALL OF THIS IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. VISION HAD A SLIGHT INCREASE BASIC LIFE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE LONGTIME DISABILITY BIGGEST THING WE ARE ADDING SHORT-TERM DISABILITY AT OUR COST AND THAT IS A NEW EXPENSE FOR THE CITY THAT EMPLOYEES COULD'VE BEEN PICKING UP SHORT-TERM DISABILITY ON THEIR OWN. GENERALLY SPEAKING IT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT PLUS I THINK THE NET WAS $30-$40,000 OVERALL FOR EVERYTHING INCLUDING ADDING IN THE NEW BENEFIT.
>> MAYOR: THE NEW BENEFIT IS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SHORT-TERM
DISABILITY. >> MAYOR: I THINK THAT MOST
COMPANIES OFFER THAT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R- 2023-183.
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>> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE,
PLEASE CALL A VOTE. >>.[VOTING]
[12.14. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2023-046 amending the City Rate Schedule to include fees associated with the Stormwater Management Program (Second Reading) (Matt Rector)]
>> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12.14.
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER OH-2023- 046 AMENDING THE CITY RATE SCHEDULE TO INCLUDE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. - HOW DO I WORD THIS CITY MANAGER? EFFECTIVE ALL PLATS APPROVED
GOING FORWARD? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT COULD BE ONE AND. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO SAY IT THAT WAY IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT SAY FOR ANY REQUESTS THE CAYMAN FOR THIS TO KILLER ISSUE, FROM THIS DAY FORWARD BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A REQUEST IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ANGLING FOR.
>> MAYOR: BASICALLY MY MOTION IS TO MAKE THIS BECOME EFFECTIVE STARTING TODAY NOT TWO YEARS AGO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL SECOND THAT. WERE TRYING TO GO BACK IN TIME AND WERE SAYING MAKE IT EFFECTIVE TODAY SO PLATS ALREADY IN PROCESS WILL NOT GET HIT BY THIS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS WILL APPLY IF YOU ARE ASSESSING THE FEE THAT THE SITE PLAN NOT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: HMMM NOT SURE HOW TO FIX IT I AM A PROPONENT OF THIS AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFIC ISSUES BUT I MADE THE PUSH TO DOUBLE IT GOT A CALL MONDAY FROM DEVELOPMENT WHO SAID I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THE WHOLE STORY BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN A DEBATE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY . WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT OUR ENGINEERS SAY WE DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE RETENTION AND CITY ENGINEER SAY WE THANK YOU DO AND SO EFFECTIVELY TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER, THEY FOUND A LOOPHOLE, THEY FOUND A WAY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO AND THEY SAY YOU FOLLOW ROUND ROCK SO WE ARE FOLLOWING ROUND ROCK.
SO WE SAY, OKAY BUT ROUND ROCK HAS A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT GOING TO HIT YOU WITH A FEE. I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT BECAUSE IF A PERSON COMES TO THE SYSTEM AND THEY GO THROUGH P&Z WHETHER THEY BEAT THE SYSTEM ARE NOT THAT WAS A SYSTEM IN PLACE. IF WE GET IN MY OPINION WE DON'T LIKE THAT THEY BEAT THE SYSTEM SO THEY COME TO COUNSEL WITH AN ORDINANCE THEN HITS HIM WITH THE FEE I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER I MEAN, THAT IS LIKE THE WORST SCENARIO IN MY MIND FOR THE CITY TO DO BECAUSE ANYTIME ANYONE DEVELOPS IF THEY GO TO A PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE WE TRY TO HIT THEM WITH A FEE OR JUST BEFORE A SITE PLAN WHAT OTHER PROJECTS POTENTIALLY IS THIS IMPACTING? THIS ORDINANCE IS THE CITY ATTORNEY IS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE OF ONE DEVELOPER. IN IT POTENTIALLY HAS THE ABILITY TO IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AT SITE PLAN STAGE BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE GETTING HIT WITH A FEE-I JUST CAN'T. SOME DEVELOPERS LOVE ME, SOME HATE ME, AND WHEN IT'S IN EVEN PLAYING FIELD YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WAS A FLAG IN THE THIRD QUARTER AND SAY I NEED TO GIVE YOU A TOUCHDOWN TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME. IF YOU FINISH THE GAME YOU SAY GOING FORWARD WERE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT FEES. IN MY MIND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT IT UP AND IT SOUNDS LIKE I NEED TO AMEND MY MOTION.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WILL THIS THIS AFFECT OTHER DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN THIS AND WHAT IT'S FOR?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S A REASON THERE'S AN ISSUE IT'S BECAUSE OF A SPECIFIC REQUEST. NOT EVERYTHING WILL APPLY TO
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THIS ORDINANCE. NUMBER 2 THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY CONVINCED THE ENGINEER THAT THEIR MOUTH IS THE RIGHT MOUTH. IT STILL BEING DEBATED IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE THEM OR NOT. THAT'S NUMBER 2. WHETHER OR NOT IT AFFECTS OTHERS THE OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTING TO UTILIZE THE ALTERNATIVE DRAINAGE? IT'S NOT JUST THE FEE. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE PROVING UP THAT MATHEMATICALLY IT'S BETTER FOR THEM NOT TO DETAIN AND TO USE THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE CURRENTLY REFERENCE TO NOT HAVE TO DETAIN ON-SITE. JUST TYPICALLY A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL PROPERTIES AND IN ALMOST ALL CIRCUMSTANCES BUT ALL PROPERTIES AND ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF HE DID THIS IT WOULD BOLSTER THE CITY ENGINEER SAYING THIS IS NOW THE STANDARD HERE IN HUTTO?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY JUST GET A FEE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE CITY ADOPTED IN 2017 2018 STORM DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN WHICH IN TURN CRATED A FEE AND IN THAT PLAN THERE'S A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ABLE TO GET DONE AND THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO PAY FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS NOW GOING TO SAY WERE GOING TO UTILIZE THE ALTERNATIVE PROCESS AND YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FEE TO HELP PAY FOR REGIONAL STORM AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE A FEE EXCEPT FOR THE 4 DOLLARSPER
MONTH. >> MAYOR: WERE DOING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF ARGUING WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN DO IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK YOU GET THE ONE EXEMPTION AND MOVE
ON. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU GIVE ONE YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WOULDN'T BE THE SAME SAYING THE SITE PLAN
IS MOVING FORWARD? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY HAVE NOT GOT THE SITE PLAN YET AND THAT'S ISSUE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEN WERE MAKING A FAIR BECAUSE IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T FILED A SITE PLAN.
>> MAYOR: THE ONLY REASON WERE DOING IT IS WE ARE PASSING THIS AND WERE PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH I CAN SEE YOU WIN BUT NOW YOU OS TUNA $50,000 THAT YOU DIDN'T OS THREE WEEKS AGO.
BECAUSE THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT ORDINANCE IS HERE AND THIS IS A WAY TO ME TELL THE GOVERNMENT WHEN THE ARGUMENT EITHER WAY. YOU CAN BUILD THE DETENTION NOW OR IF I SEE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO AND YOUR MATH IS CORRECT NOW YOU OS A FOURTH
MILLION DOLLARS. EITHER WAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY GET THE BENEFIT. HERE'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY IF THEY CAN PROVE THE ON-SITE DETENTION THEY HAVE INCREASED IMPROVEMENT AREA ON THE PROPERTY TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY TO MAKE MORE MONEY. AND THEM ALSO TO NOT PAY A FEE AND GET MORE LAND-USE THAT IS NOT DETENTION I WOULD SAY THEY COULD STILL DO IT BECAUSE OF THE FEE. THEY WOULD ALSO GET MORE LAND-USE. IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT WE DO HAVE A REGIONAL DETENTION ON THE MEGA SITE PLAN SO WE CAN FORCE AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO NOT DETAIN ON THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES BECAUSE THEY WANT AS MUCH OF THE WAREHOUSE SPACE. IF THEY WANTED THEIR THICKENED DETAIN THE REGIONAL
LOCATION. >> MAYOR: IT MISSES THE POINT.
THERE WAS A CALL ON THE FIELD YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND IN THE MIDDLE OF ARGUING THAT CALL A NEW ROLE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED THAT EVEN IF YOU WIN THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE STILL
GOING TO BE PENALIZED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS LIKE RAN
FATHERING OR RETROACTIVE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THE PID POLICY. THERE WAS PID'S IN THE WORKS AND WE TOOK SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH THE PID POLICY AND WE DIDN'T
RETROACTIVE IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DIDN'T
THOSE GUYS GET THAT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY ARE IN
A TOUGH SITUATION. >> MAYOR: THEY CAME UP WE SAY THAT WE WANTED THEM TO DO A PID AND REVIEW THE POLICY. WE REVIEWED THE POLICY AND WE HIT THEM WITH THAT THERE AND WE SAY EVERY TIME WE COME TO YOU GUYS CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT YOU GUYS HITTING US WITH SOMETHING. I TOLD THEM THIS IS EXTREMELY - THIS IS - IF THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE FEE, MAYOR, THAT'S NOT THE
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POINT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I DON'T THINK THEY ARE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY A FEE.
>> MAYOR: LISTEN. YES, YOU ARE RIGHT BUT HERE IS WHERE I THINK YOU ARE WRONG. THE GOVERNMENT STARTED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEEDED TO BUILD THE RETENTION THE ARGUMENT STARTED ON THAT. ARGUMENT WE NOW GO IN AND SAY WELL, IN CASE MATT LOSES YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE WHEREAS THREE WEEKS AGO THERE WAS NO FEE. IN MY MIND WE ARE CHANGING THE RULES ON THIS PROCESS. IF WE DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME WE CHANGE THE RULES GOING FORWARD BUT IF YOU START TELLING BUSINESS YOU ARGUE WITH US TOO MUCH THE CITY COUNCIL WILL SAY AT THE CITY STAFF WE WILL COME THROUGH IN HAITI WITH THE FEE AND OTHERWISE THERE WILL BE A FEE COME UP AND WE WILL COME BACK AND HATE YOU.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MANY OTHER CURRENT PRELIMINARY PLATS COULD EVEN GO THIS ROUTE? ARE THEY NEXT TO A TRIBUTARY THAT THEY COULD DUMP WASTEWATER IN? STORM WATER. IF THERE'S NO OTHERS THAT COULD EVEN POSSIBLY GO THIS ROUTE THAT AREN'T EVEN CLOSE YOU CAN SAY ALL PARLIAMENTARY PLATS CURRENTLY ON FILE NOW ARE GRANDFATHERED. OUR EXEMPTED OR WHATEVER AND IT MAY BE ANOTHER PROPERTY. THAT IS MY ONLY QUESTION. WE ARE ARGUING OVER SEMANTICS AND WE WILL JUST DO IT AND MAYBE EVERY OTHER ONE? IT'S NOT LIKE EVERY SINGLE PLAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE DON'T KNOW.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: ODDS ARE IT WILL BE THAT MANY. THERE ARE PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN PROCESS
NOW THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO. >> MAYOR: DID THEY PASS THE
PRE-LIMP PLAT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YES. THEY ARE ALL IN FINAL PLOTTING RIGHT NOW. IT WOULD IMPACT ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THIS FEE WOULD NOT GET ASSESSED UNTIL THE SITE
PLAN. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT HERE AND WE ADOPTED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE? BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE IS NOT ASSESSED UNTIL THEY PULL THE BUILDING PERMIT.
>> MAYOR: ISIT IS COLLECTED AND ASSESSED AT THE FINAL PLAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE DON'T SAY THAT THE FINAL PLATS ARE
EXEMPTED. BUT WE DID IT. >> MAYOR: I WOULD HAVE THE SAME ISSUE IF THE WHOLE REASON WE BROUGHT THE ITEM UP FOR THE COUNCIL TO DO THAT IMPACT FEE IS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS GETTING READY. GOING AND THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING OH MY GOD HATE THIS BUSINESS IT'S GOING TO CREATE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC WHAT DO WE DO END AND THEN PASS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE AND HIT THEM AND IT COSTS HALF MILLION DOLLARSAND WE GET IT IS GOING TO COME BUT WERE GOING TO COME BUT AFTER MILLION AT THE SAME ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE TO MEET WE ARE TARGETING A DEVELOPER. YOU'RE NOT TARGETING THE ISSUE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: MR. MAYOR - >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M SORRY.
YOUR DEVELOPMENT IF THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO CONTINGENT UPON TWO OR PAY THE FEE AND THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE I GUESS THE SERVICE?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD ARGUE WE REFERENCED THE ROUND ROCK THING FOR WHICH ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE IT IN IN THE ROUND ROCK THERE IS A FEE SO YOU CAN'T SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD
THE FEE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE - >> MAYOR: RECENT OF THE ROUND ROCK FEET THEY HAVE ALREADY BUILT IT DONE THE CALCULATIONS AND COME UP WITH WHAT IT TAKES TO TAKE THE CAPACITY THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY BUILT, THIS IS THE CITY ARE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUILT BUT WE ESTIMATE IT'S GOING TO COST SUCH AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BUILD STUFF AND BECAUSE OF THE FEE I ARBITRARILY SET IT AT 1600 NOT BASED ON A CALCULATION OF MATH.
I TOOK IT AS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS THIS IS JUST A FEE IN LIEU OF IF A PERSON COMES IN AND YOU DON'T WANT TO
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BUILD A DETENTION POND ON A 2 ACRE SITE YOU HAVE TO PAY THIS FEE IT'S ONLY FAIR BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT NOT THAT THE MATH MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO. IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PROVE THEY DON'T WANT TO DETAIN COMPARED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DETAIN.>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LEAN ON MATT A LITTLE BIT. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS MATT, YOU.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOURSELF BUT MY BELIEF WAS MATT WAS ATTEMPTING TO PERFECT THE PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM WAS THE RUN WALK CODE DOES ALLOW FOR THIS BUT WHEN YOU PAY THE FEE.
IT NEVER ACTUALLY ADOPTED THE FEE TO ALLOW FOR THIS PROCESS TO OCCUR THE SAME WAY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS MATT WAS ATTEMPTING TO TRY TO PERFECT IT. WE DO HAVE A MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN JUST LIKE A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND THAT'S A FOUR DOLLAR UTILITY CONNECTION OR WHATEVER AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS FORMULATED. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I WANT MATT TO FILL IN THE BLANKS COULD EXIST. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. ONE, WHENEVER I'VE SEEN ISSUES LIKE THIS WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL FEELS A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER IS FEELING UNFAIRLY BURDENED BY A RULE GENERALLY SPEAKING THIS IS A DOTTY CALL, COUNCILS CAN EFFECTIVELY LEAVE ANY ROLE THAT THEY THEMSELVES HAVE ADOPTED. THE TYPICALLY TRUE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHO IS IN WHO IS OUT AND SO FORTH. ANYONE COULD OBJECT IT IN THE CITY COUNCIL CAN SAY YOU ARE RIGHT I DON'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE CHOOSE TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT I DO BELIEVE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE NARRATIVE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE INFORMATION? WHILE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THE WHAT
INSTIGATED IT. >> MAYOR: IT'S THE CANARY IN
THE COAL MINE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS WHAT INSTIGATED IT AND I BELIEVE IT PREVENTS THE ISSUE OF YOU CAN DO IT IN ROUND ROCK YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY THE FEE. WE DID NOT DO IT IN THIS WE DID IT ON THE OTHER END OF THIS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT ROUND ROCK IS DOING IS SOMETHING WE DID TO IMPROVE THE CAPITAL RECOVERY AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR CAPACITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENT ANYWAY I WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THE DISCUSSION. I DO THINK YOU CAN ADOPT THIS AND PUT INTO PLACE AND NOT TALK ABOUT WHEN THE LINE IS AND WHEN IT'S NOT IN ANYONE WHETHER THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE OR WHO HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT AND ASKED THE COUNCIL TO WAIVE IT, I THINK.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IN THE UDC IS ACTUALLY HERE? THERE IS A PROVISION FOR GRANDFATHERING AND THE APPLICANT TO BRING UP THAT WHATEVER ORDINANCE OR RULE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE HAD A PRE-EXISTING RIGHT TO RELY ON PRIOR ORDINANCES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WILL MAKE IT THROUGH THE MATH. THINK WE SHOULD JUST ADOPT IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO LEGISLATE AROUND A CORNER PIECE.
>> MAYOR: WE HEARD THAT YOU CANNOT ADOPT A FEE UNLESS THERE WAS A REASON. MATT BROUGHT UP 800 AND IS LIKE OH MY GOD A FEE IN LIEU OF WE SHOULD DOUBLE IT. AND YOU SAID WE SHOULD GO TO 10
TIMES. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF YOU WANT
TO. >> MAYOR: IS NOT NECESSARILY A FEE OF IN LIEU OF. I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT I REALLY WANT AND THIS IS WHAT I EXPECT OUT OF THE STAFF IS ALL PERTINENT INFORMATION BECAUSE I WILL BE HONEST. I FEEL LIKE I WAS EXTREMELY MISLED. IF A PERSON DOES NOT WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THIS IS WHAT IT IS FOR AN ANSWER WAS YES. NOT THAT THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO AND WHAT BROUGHT IT ON THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE PUSHING FORWARD DOUBLE OR TRIPLING FEES WHEN I KNEW IT WAS ABOUT ONE DEVELOPER. SO LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THIS AND
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MAYBE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT AND I'M LIKE YEAH BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUILD A DETENTION POND WE HAVE A HOTEL BUILDING AND I'M THINKING EVERYONE'S GOING TO JUMP IN AND I'M SAYING NO ONE IS GOING TO JUMP IN AND DO IT. IT'S THE EASIEST THING.I LIKE TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND LATER ON IF I FEEL LIKE IT IS MISSING SOMETHING KEY I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER IT REALLY AFFECTS ME. IT'S LIKE 2019 AGAIN I FEEL I HEAR JUST ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT THE STAFF WANTS ME TO VOTE ON OR NOT ALL THE INFORMATION WHERE I CAN GIVE A DISCUSSION.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SEEM TO REMEMBER SOMEONE ASKING THE QUESTION WHETHER IT IS CAN ANYONE JUST DO THIS END THE ANSWER IS, NO. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THIS IS ALLOWABLE NOT JUST WHAT SOMEONE WANTS TO PAY IN LIEU OF AND THEN HE FOLLOWED UP BY SAYING THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS FEE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY MAYBE THIS ONE DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COST BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE DUMPING INTO THE WATER WE HAVE DO MITIGATION IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO TAKE NAV. AND THEN YOU SAID DOUBLE IT. THAT WAS THE WAY THE DISCUSSION WENT AS I CAN REMEMBER.
>> MAYOR: YOU GOT DATA AND ONE GROUP ARGUES ONE THING AND ONE GROUP ARGUES ANOTHER. IF YOU COME TO THE MIDDLE ON SOMETHING YOU JUST DON'T. I THINK WE ARE MISSING AND MAYBE I AM TOO PRINCIPLED OF A PERSON. EVERYONE IS MAKING THE SAME ARGUMENT. IF WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TIA AND THEY SAY IT IMPACTS US AND YOU SAY IT'S CRAZY IT DOESN'T IMPACT BUT DURING THE ARGUMENT WE DON'T COME THROUGH AND INSTITUTE A FEE TO HIT THEM TO SAY WE COVERED OUR BASIS. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. EVERYONE IS VALUED ON THESE THINGS IT'S LIKE WE BOUGHT INSURANCE ON THE ARGUMENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE CAN WAIT IT, THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND
WE CAN WAIT IT. >> MAYOR: IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU KNOW IT'S FOR ONE PARTICULAR DEVELOPER. TODAY, YOU DON'T PASS IT AND THEN APPLY IT AND BRING IT FOR THE
CITY COUNCIL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE MATH AND THAT'S IT. RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE FEE. I MAY HAVE MISREPRESENTED SOMETHING BUT GO AHEAD. P2 TO BUILD ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID MY GOAL WAS TO FIX AN ISSUE. NOT ONLY ARE WE SAYING IN THE DRAINAGE CRITERIA WE SAY IN OUR UDC WHICH IS NOT ROUND ROCK IT IS THE CITY OF HUTTO IT SAYS THAT ALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY WILL DETAIN ON-SITE, OFF-SITE OR PARTICIPATE IN THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. OKAY? SO THE ISSUE THAT I CAN SEE COMING IN THIS PROJECT IS WHAT GAVE ME THE VISION FOR THIS COMING IS THAT ON-SITE AND OFF-SITE IS EASY THEY WILL EITHER BUILD A DETENTION ON-SITE OR OFF-SITE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S EASY THE REGIONAL PROGRAM SAYS IT WILL PARTICIPATE BY PAYING A FEE BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FEE. THE UDC WAS APPROVED IN 2017, 2018. THIS ROLE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A LONG TIME BUT NOBODY CAUGHT ON THAT WE WERE MISSING A PIECE OF THE FEE. THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS ONE THAT BROUGHT ME THE AWARENESS THIS WAS THE IMPETUS TO TRYING TO FIX A PIECE THAT IS MISSING IN THE SYSTEM. TO YOUR POINT MR. MAYOR IT'S NOT THAT SOMEONE CAN SAY I DON'T WANT TO BE DETAINED. THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS THEY HAVE TO PROVE TO ME THERE'S NO IMPACT TO ANYONE ELSE AND ONCE THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT IT'S THE ISSUE WE HAVE NOW BETWEEN ME AND THE ENGINEER IS THAT I AM REVIEWING ALL THE
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MATH MODELS AND ANALYSIS. I'M GIVING THEM COMMENTS THEY ARE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH. I JUST FINISHED THE REVIEW YESTERDAY FOR THE SECOND OR THIRD SUBMITTAL WE ARE ALMOST THERE. WE ARE ALMOST TO AGREEMENT.WHETHER WE DO IT ON THIS PROJECT THE NEXT PROJECT DOWN THE CREEK BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY PROJECT THAT WILL QUALIFY FOR THIS, SOMEONE IS THROWING A FIT THAT WE ARE BEING UNFAIR TO THEM. WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A FEE.
>> MAYOR: YOU SAY WE ARE ALMOST THERE WERE GETTING READY TO HIT THEM WITH A FEE. THE PERSON IS GETTING READY TO APPLY I DON'T HAVE SYMPATHY FOR BECAUSE THEY ARE ALMOST THERE BUT THESE GUYS ARE AT THE 95 YARD LINE AND ALL THE SUDDEN WE ARE HITTING THEM WITH A FEE AND THAT IS MY ONLY ISSUE. SAY DOLLAR GENERAL. THEY DON'T HAVE DETENTION, THERE'S NO REGIONAL, THERE'S JUST A CREEK.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THEY DUMP IT IN THE CREEK.
>> MAYOR: WILL THEY HAVE TO TO PAY IF WE GO BACK?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE'S NO PLATTER ANYTHING IF THEY WERE TO GO CHANGE THEIR SITE THIS WOULD APPLY.
>> MAYOR: WHAT ABOUT THE MARRIOTT? I DON'T THAT HAS
ON-SITE DETENTION. >> MAYOR: I TOLD JAMES FOR THREE YEARS WE ARE FOLLOWING ROUND ROCK. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING DETENTION PLAN IN ROUND ROCK AND THERE LIKE LAKES. TWO OR 3 ACRES. I DON'T KNOW IF I TOLD YOU THIS BUT I SAID IT BEFORE THAT DETENTION POND IS A FOURTH ACRE 3 FEET DEEP. I CAN TELL YOU WHERE A6 ACRE DETENTION POND IS 12 FEET DEEP OVER AN ACRE. I KNOW WE ARE NOT FOLLOWING IT.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, NOT BEING
ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS. >> MAYOR: YOU GET THE DEVELOPER AND YOU GIVE IT ALL AWAY AND I'M LIKE ARBITRARY - WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: OUT BE OKAY WITH GIVING THE WAIVER TO THEM.
>> MAYOR: HOW TO FIX IT? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT UNDER STATE LAW TO SAY THEY HAD A PERMIT AND PROCESS PRIOR TO THIS GOING INTO EFFECT AND THAT THEY WOULD APPEAL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE EXACT PROCEDURES ESTABLISHED FOR THE APPEALS. WE COULD MAKE A CLAIM IN THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ENGINEER COULD RESOLVE IT BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE POSSIBILITY. BUT TO PUT IN AN EXEMPTION FOR THEM IS
PRETTY ARBITRARY. >> MAYOR: DOES ARBITRARY MAKING OR TAKING IT OUT DOES THAT EVEN IT OUT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IF WE CAN - I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN.
>> MAYOR: IF YOU TELL ME THEY ARE COVERED BY THE CHAPTER I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT WORK AND WE TALK ABOUT THE ROUGH PERSONALITY AND ALL IT IS. B3 THERE ARE CERTAIN FEES THAT ARE DONE ON THE PLAT THERE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT I DON'T THINK THIS ONE WOULD FIX THE PLAT AND QUITE FRANKLY IF THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS AND YOU UPDATED THE FEE SCHEDULE AS PART OF THE BUDGET DURING THE PROCESS THEY COULD INCUR THE NEW FEE IF THEY ARE FIXING TO GO TO SITE PLAN ALL OF THAT IS APPROPRIATE DON'T KNOW IF THE 245 ARGUMENT APPLIES. IT'S DIFFERENT BUT WHAT I HEAR YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO APPLY IT IN THE FUTURE FOR EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS GOING TO AND ANYONE UNDER REVIEW WE WON'T APPLY IT TO THEM IT'S HARD TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAY AND THAT IS WHY I WAS SAYING LET THEM APPEAL YOU CAN PUT THE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU CAN
AGREE TO WAIVE IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I THINK IT'S THE MOST CLEAR WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT AND UNDERSTAND THIS DEVELOPER HAD TO COME BEFORE COUNSEL AND FIGHT FOR THESE THINGS LIKE A PID POLICY AND I GUESS THEY ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT AND TO DO THAT EXTRA STEP.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON CONSENT WE HAVE
TO REQUEST IT. >> MAYOR: I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION. IF WE PASS IT WITH THE FEE OF -
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>> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS DIFFERENT. IT'S LIKE COMMERCIAL. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: AND PASA BACK TO WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY
PROPOSED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: WITH ROUND
ROCK NUMBERS. >> MAYOR: WHAT WERE THE
NUMBERS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: $800,000
$800 FOR RESIDENTIAL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: 800 FOR SINGLE 1600 FOR MULTIFAMILY 2400 FOR COMMERCIAL? THAT WAS
THE ORIGINAL NUMBER? >> MAYOR: WE WILL ACCEPT THAT.
THERE IS A MOTION BY MYSELF SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK PROVING OF THE ORDINANCE FEES. 800, 1600 AND 2400 IF MY MATH
[13. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
HAS NOT SLIPPED. >> MAYOR: ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL A VOTE.
>>.[VOTING] >> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES
7-0. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR AND COUNCIL I WANTED TO MENTION ON 12-1 WE HAVE DATED THE IOA WITH THE EXHIBIT THE ATTACHMENT BE IT IS ONLINE AND IT WAS PROVIDED TO COUNSEL BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WANTED TO EXHIBIT WHAT WAS REFERENCED IN THE DOCUMENT
THERE IS NO EXHIBIT ATTACHED. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WAS
SIMPLY THE MAP? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS
ONLINE ON THE CORRECT FORM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER:
>> MAYOR: IT IS 10:50 WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO UNDER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.071 TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING. 13.1, 13.2 RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.071 AND DELIBERATE AS LED BY TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.087 RELATING TO RESOLUTION R- 2023- 190 PROVIDING THE WAIVER OF OR REDUCTION OF DEVELOPMENT FEES RELATED TO PROJECT 1101. 13.3 RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE
SECTION 551.071 RELATING >> MAY 12:41 WE ARE BACK FROM EXEC OF SESSION AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. NEXT WE HAVE 14.1
[14. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]
CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSIONAGENDA ITEMS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION FOR THE RESOLUTION BETWEEN THE LOCAL AGREEMENT AND TEXAS EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT NUMBER 3 WITH THE PROVISION THAT THE TERM THE
REMOVED. >> MAYOR: MOTION BY MAYOR PRO
TEM GORDON WE HAVE A SECOND? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND.
>> MAYOR: COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? ANY DISCUSSION ON
THE MOTION? HAVING NONE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ESD
COLLABORATING WITH US ON THIS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND THAT
. >> MAYOR: THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR LIFE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO THAT THIS GETS PASSED AND WE CONTINUE THE WE CONTINUE WHAT WE BEEN DOING. ALL RIGHT,
PLEASE CALL A VOTE. >>.[VOTING]
>> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES PASSES 6-0. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR EXECUTIVE? WE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: DO WE NEED TO APPROVE SOMETHING UNDER 13.2? WAS THERE NO ACTION ON THAT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE HEARD THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PROJECT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE -190 FOR THE WAIVER OF THE REDUCTION FEES RELATING TO PROJECT 1101.
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>> COUNCIL MEMBER: SECOND. >> MAYOR: WE HAVE A MOTION BUYER MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE LET'S CALL THE VOTE.
>> MAYOR: THE MOST INMOTION PASSES 6-0.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE WAS NO ACTION FROM 13.3 THAT YOU
[15. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]
NEEDED? >> MAYOR: 15. COUNSEL COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? 15.1, 15.2 FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. HEARING NONE, 15.3 FUTURE ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS AS ALLOWED BY HUTTO CITY CODE SECTION 1.02.033 ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED
MEETINGS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: DURING CONSENT YOU APPROVED AMENDMENT TO THAT ORDINANCE. YOUR ORDINANCE SAID YOU COULD ADD AS MANY ADDITIONAL REGULAR OR RESCHEDULED WORKSHOP MEETINGS THAT YOU WANT TO BUT DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR RESCHEDULED MEETING SO I ADDED THAT AND SO NOW WE WILL HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON EVERY AGENDA AT THE END IN CASE YOU WANTED TO ADD A REGULAR MEETING OR RESCHEDULE A
MEETING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I MAKE A AKE A MOTION WE RESCHEDULED THE OCTOBER 5 MEETING TO OCTOBER
12. >> COUNCIL MEMBER:. THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS WHOLE THING TO BEGIN WITH.
>> MAYOR: MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK'S BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON KE. WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE VOTING ON THIS. ARE WE MOVING THIS AS AN AMENDMENT?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M GOING I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE SAID I
THINK THERE WERE THREE? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: ANNA WAS COORDINATING IT. AT LEAST THREE.
>> MAYOR: WHO IS GOING? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND BUT I HAVE TO SEE WHAT MY WORK SCHEDULE IS LIKE BECAUSE IT WILL BE BUSY. I WANT TO GO.
>> MAYOR: I DON'T WANT TO VOTE TO MOVE A MEETING AND FIVE OF US ARE SITTING AROUND TOWN. IF TWO PEOPLE CAN'T GO NO OFFENSE TO THE CITY MANAGER HE HAS CAPABLE STAFF.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE WILL BE TIMES WHERE I CANNOT GO.
>> MAYOR: DO WE NEED TO MOVE THIS?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: NO. I AM EITHER GOING TO GO OR I WILL -
>> MAYOR: WHAT WAS THAT? [LAUGHTER]
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY SCHEDULE TO SEE IF I
CAN GO OR NOT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL TRY TO GO. WHICH MEANS YES, I WILL BE GOING.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THERE ARE THREE AT LEAST.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON IS GOING, MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON IS GOING THERE IS A POSSIBILITY
THAT I MIGHT NOT BE GOING. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: BEING THE MAIN PERSON PEOPLE KEEP SAYING I WILL PROBABLY GO, IF WE ARE MEETING. EVERYONE SAYS WE HAD A THING.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE JUST RESCHEDULING THE MEETING. IT'S
NOT LIKE WERE NOT GOING. >> MAYOR: EVEN RESCHEDULING.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT -OTHER PEOPLE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE RESCHEDULED SPRING BREAK. WE
ALREADY DID THIS. >> MAYOR: I'M WITH YOU. IF YOU ARE IN MOVING A MEETING YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO DO IT.
>> MAYOR: WE DON'T HAVE A REASON. YOU SAID YOU MIGHT NOT
GO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IS THAT I
WAS GOING. >> MAYOR: YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. WE SUGGEST CANCEL MEETINGS AND THEN WE ARE GETTING IN A HABIT OF DOING IT. JUST SAYING.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE ARE NOT CANCELING. WE ARE JUST MOVING
IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD
LIKE TO VOTE. >> MAYOR: PLEASE CALL A VOTE.
>>.[VOTING] >> MAYOR: THE MOTION PASSES
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6-0. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WANTED TO BRING UP YOUR AUGUST 24 MEETING IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT A REGULAR MEETING WE CAN PUT SOME SECOND READINGS ON CONSENT. ON FIRST READING, ON THE SUBDIVISION?
>> MAYOR: CANNOT CALL IT A REGULAR MEETING BECAUSE WE GET
PAID $400. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT IS A MAX
OF TWO ANYWAY. >> MAYOR: DOES IT SAY THAT IN
THEIR? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: YOUR CHARTER AND YOU DO FIRST AND SECOND READING YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE TWO WEEKS IN BETWEEN, YOU CAN HAVE BACK TO BACK. ON THE SUBDIVISION FEE THE SECOND READING AND THEN - RIGHT, NOT THE STORMWATER BUT THE SUBDIVISION THE STATE LAW.
YEAH. STATE LAW. RIGHT. >> MAYOR: OKAY EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE MEETINGS THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS. IF WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH AROUND AND CALL THEM REGULAR AND NOT REGULAR OR SPECIAL. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REGULAR AND SPECIAL? WE CAN ALWAYS SAY ANYTHING IS A REGULAR MEETING. I MEAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES IT. IF THERE'S A FOOTBALL GAME THEY TAPE A NOTE ON THE DOOR AND SAY WE ARE MOVING THE MEETING TO
FRIDAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M BRINGING THIS UP UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE YOU CAN CALL IT A REGULAR MEETING IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO ADDITIONAL
BUSINESS? >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT WOULD GET YOUR ORDINANCE IN EFFECT BEFORE THE STATE LAW WENT INTO
EFFECT ON THE SUBDIVISION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: THIS IS
JUST A ONE OFFER THIS THING. >> MAYOR: IT'S NEVER A ONE-OFF. YOU START THIS WAY.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE WILL WORK WITH THE MANAGER'S OFFICE ON WHAT HE WANTS ON THE SPECIAL MEETING.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 24TH?
TALK] >> MAYOR: ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEETINGS YOU WANT TO MOVE AROUND? NOTHING?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I'M SURE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH FOURTH OF JULY IN 2024 BUT -IT IS THE FIRST THURSDAY!
>> MAYOR: WE WILL HAVE A SHORT MEETING AND GO DO FIREWORKS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WAS NOTIFIED TODAY THAT MY APPOINTEE TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CANNOT SERVE. SO, I NEED TO APPOINT A NEW PERSON. I NEED TO TALK TO A NEW PERSON.
DO I HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS A SPECIFIC ITEM UNDER THE AGENDA OR CAN I DO IT AS APPOINTMENTS AND BOARDS?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER: WE CAN ADD THAT UNDER THAT SECTION BUT I
THINK IT IS COMMISSIONS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEXT MEETING CAN WE DO IT TONIGHT?
CAN NOMINATE ANOTHER PERSON. >> MAYOR: CHARTER REVIEW
COMMISSION APPOINTMENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: I WILL MAKE IT A NORMAL BOARDS AND COMMISSION ITEM IN CASE YOU DO GET ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS READY. I CAN DO THAT. I WAS WORRIED IF I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING I
COULD NOT DO IT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER: IT DOES JUST SAY UNDER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COMMISSIONS BUT I THINK THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS SPECIFIC. WE WILL POST IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.