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RIGHT.[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 17TH, 2023 TO ORDER.WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
COUNCILOR THORNTON, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK.
COUNCILMAN WILCOTT, CUSTOMER LAR.
TURN OVER TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE E D C SIDE.
WE HAVE MYSELF, UH, CHAIR PRESENT, AND WE HAVE MATTHEW MENON.
AND IT'S, IT'S THE ONE OF THOSE DAYS.
THERE WERE KAREN CLANCY SECRETARY.
THE LONG STORY BEHIND THAT, WHAT MEAN IT HAPPENS TO ME.
[3.1. Joint Economic Development Corporation and City Council - Discussion on the proposed designs of the 79/132 overpass]
ITEM WE HAVE IS JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED DESIGNS OF THE 79 1 32 OVERPASS.SO GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, E D C.
UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE REMAINING.
UM, IF, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, WE HAD PRESENTED NINE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WE CAME DOWN TO THREE THAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE PREFERRED WE VISITED WITH TDOT.
THOSE THREE GOT TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT IN CONVERSATION WITH TDOT.
AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT IS TO ALLOW OUR, OUR CONSULTANT GARBER TO PRESENT THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO YOU AS THEY CURRENTLY SIT TODAY.
AND THEN, UM, LET YOU GUYS DISCUSS THE MERITS, THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS.
SO, UH, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND A LOT OF STUFF THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT COVER, SO I'M GONNA LET WAIT AND TAKE IT AWAY.
UH, WELL GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
UM, AS MATT SAID, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHERE WE'RE AT, TO TO DATE, AND, UH, SOME IDEAS FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, AS WE ROLL THROUGH, I JUST WANNA TAKE JUST, JUST A COUPLE MINUTES HERE, JUST REAL BRIEF TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT HISTORY.
THIS PROJECT STARTED A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK WITH, UM, THE COUNTY.
UM, THE BIG IDEA HERE IS THAT THIS, UH, 1 32 CORRIDOR COULD ULTIMATELY BECOME A NEW STATE FACILITY.
SO THE NEW FM 1660, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD RELIEVE POTENTIALLY SOME TRAFFIC OFF OF THE EXISTING 1663 TOWN ON THE 79, THAT THIS COULD BE A NEW
AND SO, UM, A SCHEMATIC DESIGN WAS INITIATED AND THEN PUT ON HOLD BY THE CITY.
AND AT THE TIME, THAT ALIGNMENT MOVED AROUND A NUMBER OF TIMES AND ENDED UP, UM, EAST ALMOST, UH, BETWEEN THE POWER LINES AND HODO, IF YOU CAN ENVISION THAT.
UM, AND SO SINCE THEN OR THIS YEAR, UM, THE CITY HIRED US TO, TO BEGIN AGAIN ON THE PROJECT AND THE ALIGNMENT.
IT MORE OR LESS TRAVELS ALONG THE EXISTING 1 32 CORRIDOR.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT, BUT GENERALLY ALONG THAT PATH.
AND SO WE WANNA WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF, SOME OF THE GOALS ON THE PROJECT ARE, UH, TO IMPROVE SAFETY IN THE AREA.
UM, THE EXISTING AT GRADE CROSSING AND THE 79 CROSSING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIGHTED.
IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD STRETCH OF PAVES JUMP THE CROSS WHEN YOU'RE IN A CAR, IT'S HIGH SPEEDS OUT THERE STILL.
MOST PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING 70 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, AND THEN THE RAILROADS COMING THROUGH THERE.
UM, SO PROVIDE A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING, BASICALLY AN OVERPASS OVER BOTH OF THOSE, UM, FORS AND, AND IMPROVE THE MOBILITY BY ALLOWING A VIABLE OPTION GOING NORTH, SOUTH TO ACROSS RAILROAD.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING ON THE RAILROAD, BUT THE HEAD OF CITY LIMITS IS AT ONE 30.
AND THEN YOU GOT CHRIS KELLY, 16 61, 32 AND THEN FARTHER OUT, UM, KIND OF AT THE EDGE OF TOWN.
THE COUNTY AND TEXTILE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT PROJECT AT 33 49.
BUT THERE IS NOT A VIABLE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING OTHER THAN ONE 30 RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS WILL PROVIDE, UH, IMPROVED SAFETY AND MOBILITY, UH, AND IMPROVE THE ACCESS, UH, TO THE PROPERTIES IN THE GENERAL AREA, UH, TO PROVIDE A VIABLE, UH, ACCESS OFF 79 AND OFF THE NEW CORRIDOR THAT THIS, THIS WOULD BE CONNECTING TO.
AND WADE, WOULD THAT ADD ADD GRAY CROSSING BE CLOSED OFF FROM CLOSED OFF THE EXISTING RAIL? YES.
IT'S ENVISION THAT THE EXISTING RAIL CROSSING WOULD WOULD CLOSE.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE RAIL FOLKS ACCESS, BUT ALL TRAFFIC AND PUBLIC TRAFFIC, YEAH.
UM, NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THE AREA ONGOING.
Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THESE? UM, BOTH CITY COUNTY TECH STACK PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY? THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE SEGMENT IN THE KIND OF GROWING LIST OF CORRIDOR MOBILITY PROJECTS.
UM, SO THE, THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES.
SO ONE OF THE KEY, UM, I'LL CALL IT CONSTRAINTS OR KEY ITEMS THAT WE ARE, ARE HAVING TO WORK AROUND, IS THE EXISTING UP CELL TOWER THERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
UM, WE, WE'VE LOOKED EARLY ON AT, AT POTENTIALLY, OKAY, WELL, A WHAT IF SCENARIO.
WE DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THE, THAT CELL TOWER.
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AND SO WE'RE AVOIDING THAT KINDA AT ALL COSTS.UM, IT'S A, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE CELL TOWER THAT GOES INTO IT.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF THAT TOWER, UH, WHERE THE ACTUAL ROAD CROSSING WOULD BE.
UM, THE NEW ROADWAY IS A SIX LANE DIVIDED ARTERIAL.
SO, UM, JUST IN THE GENERAL AREA, JUST THINKING CLOSE BY A W GRIMES AND ROUND ROCK IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST GEOGRAPHICALLY FROM HERE.
CENTER MEDIAN, THREE LANES, CURVE AND GUTTER SECTION IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING HERE, AS WELL AS THE, THE TWO SEGMENTS ON EITHER SIDE.
UM, AGAIN, OVERPASS OVER THE RAILROAD IN 79, UM, AND THEN AN AT GRADE CONNECTION TO 79.
UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE WON'T BE ANY GRAY, ANY RAILROAD CROSSINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO, UH, EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO, WAIT, CAN I JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND? JUST, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE, UM, GOING BACK TO A COUPLE THINGS THAT WADE'S HIT ON A COUPLE TIMES, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR MANY YEARS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND TXDOT.
AND SO WHEN YOU HEAR THE SIX LANE DIVIDED CROSS SECTION, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP WITH ON OUR OWN THROUGH ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS BASICALLY THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY, THE COUNTY AND TDOT SAYING WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO BASICALLY DO THIS AND TRANSFER THIS ROAD TO THE STATE AT SOME POINT.
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE MINIMUM CROSS SECTION THAT THE STATE WOULD ACCEPT.
SO I, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND GO, WELL, WHAT IF WE JUST MADE IT SMALLER AND WE DID A A TWO LANE ROAD? WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN OPTION FOR US RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S, IF YOU WANTED TO GO FORWARD TO THE STATE, THAT'S IF YOU WANTED THE STATE TO EVENTUALLY TAKE OVER THIS ROAD.
SO WE BUILT A THREE LANE TODAY AND YOU CAME BACK AND GO A THREE LANE IN FIVE YEARS, THEN HYPOTHETICALLY IN SIX YEARS YOU COULD DONATE IT TO THE STATE AS LONG AS THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT UPON A DEDICATION.
BUT I MEAN, YOU WOULD STILL WANNA BUILD THE OVERPASS NOW FOR, FOR ALL SIX LANES.
WHY? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A SECOND OVERPASS IN THE FUTURE.
YOU HAVE 300 MILLION IN ROAD PROJECTS AND THREE LANES IS A TWO-WAY, BUT THE TURN LANE OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY AND THEN HIT THE OTHER 18 PROJECTS THAT ARE LIKE PRIORITY.
OR DO YOU SPEND ALL 40 MILLION? I MEAN, I, IF IT IS LIKE 20 MILLION A BRIDGE, DO YOU SPEND, I GUESS THE QUESTION, DO YOU SPEND 20 MILLION AND GET THE OVERPASS GOING AND HAVE IT DESIGNED FOR THE NEXT, OR YOU JUST GO AND SPEND 40 MILLION AND PUSH ANOTHER 20 MILLION PROJECT OFF THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE TODAY, BUT YOU PUSH IT ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO? BECAUSE, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO RUN SIX LANES.
SO I'M SO MAYOR, CAN I JUMP IN? I, I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE, WE HAVEN'T PROGRESSED FAR ENOUGH TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW THIS COULD BE PHASED.
UM, BUT THAT IS A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS.
TYPICALLY, IF YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY YOU'RE GOING OVER THE RAILROAD AND I MEAN YOU WANT TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE ONE TIME, IT'S JUST, IT'S LONG TERM.
IT'S CHEAPER TO DO IT THAT WAY THAN DO IT TO PIECES.
EVERYBODY SAYS CHEAPER, BUT THEN THE PROJECT YOU PUT OFF WOULD BE CHEAPER IF YOU BUILT IT TODAY, BUT YOU BUILT OUT A YEAR LATER, NOW THAT COSTS MORE MONEY.
AND THEN THE PRO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I MEAN, IT'S A, IT IS A DISCUSSION I THINK WE GOTTA HAVE.
BUT I WANNA KNOW FROM AN ENGINEERING, CAN YOU DO IT TWO, THREE LANE PHASES AND THEN THE COUNCIL AND THE A D C A, EVERYBODY CAN DETERMINE, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, IF THERE WASN'T A BIG THING CALLED UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH TWICE, YOU WOULD NOT DEAL WITH IT TWICE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN EFFECTING THEM.
YOU'RE DOING THAT OBSTRUCTION OVER THERE, RAILROAD.
WE DON'T HAVE DEBATE THAT HYPOTHE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A HYPOTHETICAL.
I I SAY YOU DO IT ONCE, YOU DO IT ONCE YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU GET IT DONE.
YOU DON'T PAY DOUBLE WHAT YOU WOULD DO LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO, TO ME JUST TO GET IT ALL DONE NOW.
SO, 'CAUSE ISN'T THERE, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO TALK ABOUT THE ON RAMP AND OFF RAMP FOR COTTONWOOD.
AND SO DOES THAT AFFECT DOING SOMETHING ALL NOW OR WAITING, LIKE THE MAYOR'S SAYING AND DOING SOMETHING TWO YEARS HAVE TO BE MADE? I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE OPTIONS, IT'LL, IT'LL BE EASIER TO DISCUSS OKAY.
THE PHASING AND, AND CONNECTION TO EVERYTHING.
UM, ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS, IN THE SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND THE CONCEPTS THAT WE LOOKED AT, WE ARE ALLOWING FOR AND, AND MODELING A, A SIGNALED INTERSECTION ON 79 THAT WOULD CONNECT INTO THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THE FUNCTION OF THIS CROSSING, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE IN OUR TRAFFIC MODEL, WE'RE PLUGGING IT IN BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A DESIRE THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED FROM, FROM THE E D C AND, AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO, UH, TO DEVELOP THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S IN ALL OUR SCENARIOS AS WELL.
NOT AS A COST OF THE CITY, BUT AS A, THE,
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WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE TRAFFIC FUNCTIONALITY.UM, SO THE CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS, UM, UH, COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE CORRIDOR ALIGNMENT.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT ALREADY, UM, DEVELOPED THE ALTERNATIVES TO THE CONNECTIONS TO 79, THE, THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR ITSELF.
UM, THERE MAY NOT, PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF VARIABILITY ON THAT SECTION ITSELF.
UM, BUT THE CONNECTIONS TO 79 ARE KEY AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE TONIGHT.
TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACTS AND COST CONSIDERATIONS ARE OBVIOUSLY, UM, AN ITEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON.
SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE, WE'VE, UM, SINCE UM, APRIL WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD ON DATA COLLECTION SURVEY TRAFFIC INFORMATION.
WE'VE, AS MATT MENTIONED, WE DEVELOPED ABOUT NINE KIND OF HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTS, ALMOST STICK DIAGRAMS IF YOU WILL, A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
BUT, UM, MET WITH THE CITY AND TECH STOCK, GOT SOME INPUT FROM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AND WHITTLED IT DOWN TO THREE CONCEPT ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK YOU THROUGH.
UM, SO AS PART OF THOSE WE WANNA, UH, CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
I MENTIONED BEFORE, SAFETY, THOSE GOALS THAT FOR THE PROJECT RIGHT AWAY IMPACTS, THAT'S A COST, UH, NOT ONLY A COST, BUT JUST, UH, DOLLARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, ACREAGE AS WELL, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE PROPERTY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS, IT'S LOOKING TO, TO DEVELOP.
UM, AND THEN ACKNOWLEDGING AND, AND LOOKING AHEAD THAT THIS COULD BE A POTENTIAL TEXTILE FOUR DOOR.
AND FROM THAT ON THE TRAFFIC PART AND, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE TRAFFIC LATER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
BUT, UM, OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON 1 32 TO SPEAK OF BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY, IT'S NOT A VIABLE ROUTE TO ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF CROSSING.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS OUR TRAFFIC FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO DO IS MAILED NOT ONLY WHAT THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE REGION TRAFFIC MODELING PLAN IS THROUGH CAMPO AND TXDOT, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT MATT'S BEEN SEEING ON THESE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT ARE COMING IN ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THE LAND USE PLAN ON SOME OF THE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS, TRYING TO PROJECT OUT GROWTH PATTERNS AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR TRAFFIC.
PUT THAT ALL IN IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC BOX AND, AND COME UP WITH SOME PROJECTIONS PRIMARILY FOR 1 32 BECAUSE 79 CORRIDOR, WE KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOW, UM, WE, WE HAVE A, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ON WHAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT THE FUNCTION OF 1 32 OR THE TRAFFIC VOLUME ON 1 3 2 IS SOMEWHAT VARIABLE IN THE SUBSET.
WE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE REGION THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN DESIGN AND PLANNING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT HOW PEOPLE TRAVEL AND UNTIL THOSE PATTERNS ARE ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING OUR BEST ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AS THESE PROJECTS COME ONLINE.
SO, LET'S KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
SO WE CAME UP WITH THREE OPTIONS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN SOME DETAIL, BUT IN ESSENCE WE'VE GOT TWO ELEVATED INTERSECTIONS.
UM, AND THEN ANO ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS RAMPS AND, AND PRINTED ROADS THAT DEAL WITH ACCESS ONTO AND OFF OF 79.
SO, UM, WE'LL ROLL INTO THE FIRST ONE HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE OVERALL CONCEPT.
SO LIKE I SAID, THE NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR TRAVELS ALONG GENERALLY ALONG THE EXISTING 1 32 CORRIDOR.
UH, WE WOULD GO AROUND THE, THE CELL PHONE TOWER THERE NEAR 79 AND THEN, AND THEN TIE IN UP NEAR LIER LOOP.
SO THE PROJECT LIMITS ARE FROM LIMMER LOOP DOWN TO ROUGHLY COUNTY ROAD 1 99 ON THE SOUTH END.
SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT THIS CONCEPT WOULD DO WAS TO, TO GET TO, UH, WE'VE CREATED AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION ABOVE 79.
SO 79 WOULD TRAVEL UNDERNEATH THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION.
YOU'D HAVE RAMPS UP TO THE INTERSECTION FROM 79.
SO TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO IF YOU'RE ON 79 AND YOU WANT TO GET ON COUNTY ROAD 1, 3, 2, YOU WOULD COME UP THE RAMPS, UM, AND, AND MAKE THE TURN.
SO IF YOU'RE ON, IF YOU'RE COMING WESTBOUND ON 79, YOU COULD MAKE A RIGHT GOING NORTH OR YOU MAKE A LEFT AND, AND GO ON SOUTH ON ON 1 32 AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE AND COME IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
ALSO, IF, IF YOU'RE ON 1 32 TO GET ON 79, YOU WOULD GET ONTO THE RAMP TO GO DOWN TO GET ON TO 79 TO, TO TRAVEL ON TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
SO WE WE'RE CREATING AN ESSENCE, KIND OF A, A, AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION THAT WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE IS IT, IT FUNCTIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT AT LIKE AN ELEVATED OVERPASS.
YOU KNOW, A FREEWAY SECTION WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE ROAD GOING UNDERNEATH THE INTERSECTION IS ELEVATED.
SO BIT OF, OR THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS, IT ALLOWS FOR FREE FLOW TRAFFIC ON 79.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A STOP SIGNAL OR SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION ON 79 ITSELF FOR FOLKS TO GET ONTO AND OFF OF 1 32, UH, YOU KINDA HAVE THE TRADITIONAL STYLE EXITS, YOU EXIT OFF TO THE RIGHT, UH, FROM TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT,
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UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO 79.IT, IT BASICALLY REQUIRES REROUTING 79 LANES TO FIT WITHIN PORTION OF THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT IT ALSO CREATES AN OPTION TO HAVE SOME DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE, UM, THE COTTONWOOD DEVELOPMENT BY, IT'S NOT SHOWING THIS, BUT BY I THIS UP HERE, I SEE THAT, UH, BY DOING A BASICALLY A, A LANE UNDERNEATH THIS ELEVATED SECTION DIRECTLY INTO, UM, THE PROPERTY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALL THREE OF THESE, UH, OPTIONS INCLUDE IS, UH, IT, IT ALLOWS FOR THE EXPANSION OF 79 TO BE THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, THAT WAS A, UM, WHAT TECH STEP BASICALLY WAS LOOKING FOR AS WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPING THESE CONCEPTS.
UM, THEY'RE IN, THEY STARTED A CORRIDOR STUDY FOR 79 FROM BASICALLY TAILORED TO 35.
UM, AND SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ULTIMATE SECTION'S GONNA BE, BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US IS PLANNED FOR THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO AS FAR AS THE GEOMETRY OF WHAT WE WOULD'VE TO SPAN WHERE THINGS WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE BASING OUR, OUR LAYOUTS ON TO TRY TO ESTIMATE WHAT OUR IMPACTS WOULD BE IN TERMS OF COST AND RIGHT AWAY IMPACTS.
QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE, IS THE INTENT FOR THE WESTBOUND EXIT LANE TO TURN ONLY ONTO 1 32 AND NOT JUST GO STRAIGHT ACROSS? YES.
SO, SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE COMING UP TO THE INTERSECTION, IT WOULD BE THAT THEY, YOU'D, YOU'D HAVE TO TURN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WHY IS THAT? IF I ACCIDENTALLY, I'M NEW TO THE AREA, I ACCIDENTALLY GET UP THERE, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING TO SAY ONE 30.
WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE ONE OF THOSE LANES UP LEFT THROUGH.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT IT.
TYPICALLY, IF YOU GOT THAT THROUGH LANE TRAFFIC, THAT THAT ADD AN EXTRA PHASE TO YOUR SIGNAL OR AT LEAST SOME TIME TO YOUR SIGNAL.
SO SIGNAL NO ONE'S USING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE, LIKE I LOOK AT THIS INTERSECTION, IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF, ALL OF 'EM THAT GO THROUGH TOLEDO AND FOR THE MOST PART TEMPLE, THEY'RE ALL ELEVATED INTERSECTIONS ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
BUT I WOULDN'T THINK WE'D HAVE A, A PHASING ISSUE HERE UNTIL WE HAD SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC THAT WHERE WE SAID, HEY, WE CAN'T, WE'RE BACKING UP 1 32 OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE UM, THAT, I MEAN, WOULD THAT NOT BE STOP SIGNED IN THE BEGINNING? POTENTIALLY? POTENTIALLY, YEAH.
I MEAN THIS, REMEMBER THESE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE LONG TERM BUILD OUT? WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT WOULD IT NEED TO FUNCTION, UM, WHEN THIS WOULD OPEN UP? IT, IT MAY BE A STOP OR FLASHING RED OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UH, UNTIL THERE'S TRAFFIC TO, TO JUSTIFY IT.
BUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT ONCE, ONCE IT GOT IT CONSTRUCTED.
WELL, YOU WOULDN'T PHASE THIS IN TWO DIFFERENT BRIDGES ROUTE.
THERE'S ONE, SORRY IF YOU DID THIS, THERE'S ONLY ONE BRIDGE, SO THERE'S NO PHASING THAT SIX LINES.
WE, WE CAN ALWAYS, WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IN MORE DETAIL.
I DON'T WANNA RUN THROUGH THESE OTHER TWO.
STOP ME IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO THIS OPTION IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE EXCEPT WE PUT THE INTERSECTION, THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION IN THE MIDDLE.
WE SPLIT THE TRAFFIC AROUND, UM, THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION.
SO THE SPEY IS A, IS A FANCY TRAFFIC ENGINEER TURN.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, UM, THE SIGNALS SET UP TO RUN OFF OF ONE SIGNAL VERSUS THE OTHER ONE.
YOU HAVE TWO SIGNALS AT EACH END, UH, AND IT ALLOWS TURNING MOVEMENTS TO HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT, UM, SETUP.
PLUS IT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FREE FLOW AROUND AND UNDER, UH, THE INTERSECTION.
SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH THE TRAFFIC FLOW AGAIN ON THIS ONE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND KIND OF HOW THIS WOULD WORK.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE LEFTS COULD, AGAIN, THERE'S ONE SIGNAL, UM, CONTROLLING THIS INTERSECTION.
SO YOU HAVE TWO LEFTS GOING AT THE SAME TIME AND THE FOLKS COMING UP, THE RAMP'S GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT TURN AS WELL, UH, TO GO EITHER DIRECTION OR, UM, THIS WOULD BE PHASE.
BUT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON 1, 3, 2, YOU CAN TURN LEFT, GO STRAIGHT, GO RIGHT.
UH, THERE'D BE PHASES TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA RUN INTO SOMEBODY, BUT JUST TRYING TO SHOW HOW, HOW THIS WOULD WORK.
UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO GO GO TO THE NEXT ONE, WADE.
OH, WHEREVER YOU WERE JUST AT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT 79 IS ACTUALLY NORTH OF THE RAMP AND SOUTH OF THE END.
SO THOSE SAME THREE LANES HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE OUTSIDE AND NOW YOUR RAMPS ARE ON THE INSIDE.
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TO EXIT SET WESTBOUND 79 TO GET ONTO 1 32, YOU WOULD TAKE A LEFT RAMP, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT? UH, WELL, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.WELL, IN THIS, IT, IT'S, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS ONE IS THAT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, 1 32 FUNCTIONS OR THAT INTERSECTION FUNCTIONS BETTER A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, UH, THAN THE OTHER OPTION.
UM, YOU'VE GOT ONE SIGNAL INSTEAD OF ONE SIGNAL INSTEAD OF TWO.
YOU HAVE SOME MOVEMENTS THAT CAN OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME.
IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU CAN UTILIZE THE EXISTING SEVEN, NINE EASTBOUND LANES AND JUST KIND OF PUSH THE NORTHBOUND LANES OVER TO BUILD INTERSECTION VERSUS ON THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE BUILDING, BASICALLY BUILDING THE RAMP ON TOP OF THE PAVEMENT THAT'S THERE TODAY.
UH, BECAUSE OUR CONSTRAINT ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS, IS THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT OUT THERE.
SO, UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT ON THE EASTBOUND LANE.
YOU BUILD AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOU PUSH THE NORTH, THE WESTBOUND LANES OF 79 TO THE NORTH, THEY STILL GO UNDERNEATH, BUT UM, ALLOWS YOU TO KEEP MORE OF THE EXISTING 79 TRAFFIC IN PLACE.
IS THERE A COST DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THIS ONE AND, AND THE PREVIOUS ONE? YEAH, SO THIS ONE'S A LITTLE LESS, UH, COST ARE A LITTLE LESS JUST BECAUSE THEY EVEN CAN UTILIZE A LOT OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT.
UM, FOOTPRINT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE OTHER ONE.
UM, BUT THIS ONE IS, SOME OF THE COST SAVINGS ARE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDO AS MUCH.
79 LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE'S EATING INTO COTTONWOOD A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE OTHER THOUGH.
UM, IN TERMS OF RIGHT OF WAY AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
BUT THE, THE BRIDGE IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER IN THIS ONE AS WELL.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S JUST ANY BIKE LANES BUILT IN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE UM, WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT, SO WE'RE, WE'VE GOT BASICALLY SHARED THESE PATHS PLUGGED IN ON BOTH SIDES OF, OF THE, OF THE CORRIDOR, UH, AND CROSSING THE BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S FOR ALL THREE OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING, RIGHT? OKAY.
IT'S HARD TO SEE IT THIS, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THIS EDGE OVER HERE, UM, WOULD BE WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THE LANES WOULD BE WHERE THE, THIS PATH WOULD BE.
THERE WOULD, AND WOULD THERE BE TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR THE BIKE LANES? WELL, YEP.
PART, PART OF THE YES PART AS PART OF THIS INTERSECTION THERE WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN CONTROLS AS WELL.
I MEAN THAT JUST KIND OF STANDS.
SO WOULD THAT BE ADDITIONAL COST ON TOP OF THE, THE ONE LIGHT? 'CAUSE I JUST SEE ONE LIGHT.
WELL, IT WOULD BE BUILT INTO THERE.
SO WHEN YOU THOSE CONTROLLERS IT, IT WOULD, THE TIMING FOR THE SIGNAL WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS.
AND THEY WOULD'VE SEPARATE, UH, HEADS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, CROSS OR DON'T CROP.
SO WITH THIS ONE, THE ONLY PEDESTRIAN AND AND BIKE ACCESS WOULD BE STRAIGHT NORTH SOUTH.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET 79 WHEN YOU'VE GOT LEFT ENTRANCE, EXIT RAMPS.
AND THE OTHER ONE, WAS THERE ANY WAY TO GET LIKE OFF AND LIKE ALONG COTTONWOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, THE FIRST OPTION, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, OR OR WAS THE PLAN FOR TO JUST BE STRAIGHT THROUGH LIKE, AND PEDESTRIAN THERE STRAIGHT THROUGH, THIS IS THE ELEVATOR NOT THAT WAS ONE.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE SAME FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIAN EITHER WAY.
UH, AND AGAIN, REMEMBER THIS IS UP IN THE HERE, SO YEAH, YEAH.
UM, THERE COULD BE SOME CONNECTIONS WITH IT GETS DOWN CLOSE TO GRAY THAT COULD PEEL BACK AROUND AND YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN WANTS TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION, THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE MADE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF RIGHT HERE WE'RE GONNA BE 20.
SO THE, THE CHALLENGE ON OPTION TWO PARTICULAR TO COTTONWOOD IS IF YOU'RE GOING FROM SOUTH AND YOU WANT TO TURN LEFT AND GET TO COTTONWOOD, YOU HAVE TO THEN MERGE ONTO 79 AND CROSS THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC TO THAT RIGHT TURN BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THAT LIGHT.
SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, DISTANCE WIDE HOW FAR THAT IS, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST, JUST A CONSIDERATION.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY D CONSIDERATION THAT IT HAVE A HEAVY FOOT.
WELL ACTUALLY WHEN YOU'RE TURNING OUT FROM COTTONWOOD, YOU ACTUALLY WOULD BE EASIER TO GET INTO THE LEFT BOUND LANES TO GO NORTH BACK ON 10 EARTH 1 32.
WELL AS YOU'RE COMING OUT THE LIGHT, YOU COME OUT, YOU TURN YEAH, BUT YEAH, I'M UNDERSTAND COMING OFF.
SO YOU GET OFF, YOU GOTTA CROSS THE THREE, BUT IT'S A ATED LINE, SO YOU COULD JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE LANE YOU WANTED TO BE IN.
I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS ALL THE DENSITY TO THE SOUTH, DEPENDING ON THE DISTANCE FROM THAT SIGNAL TO THE SIGNAL AT COTTONWOOD, YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP AND LIKE YOU SEE IT IN AUSTIN ALL THE TIME WHERE YOU NEED TO GET TO THIS LANE.
LIKE WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO M L K, UH, FOR THE FRANK IRWIN CENTER MM-HMM
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YOU HAVE SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE.I THINK, UH, DAN'S POINT, IT DEPENDS TO ME ON HOW FAR THAT DISTANCE IS, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE LINED UP.
'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE STOPPED IN 79 AND UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING, CAN YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES? YOU GO.
SO YEAH, THERE, SO THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH FROM, FROM SOUTH AND YOU'RE HEADED NORTH ON 1 32, YOU COULD GO OVER THE OVERPASS AND GO UP TO MAY LANE AND DO A LEFT AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT WE'RE ADDING AND THEN COME BACK INTO COTTONWOOD.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE A SECONDARY PATH THAT IS NOT SO EVIL.
WHERE'S A SPEWY AT? AROUND, I DON'T, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I COUNTED TRAFFIC THIS TV.
UH, WHERE'S ONE CLOSE BY? I'M TRYING TO THINK.
UM, SOMEONE WANTED TO DRIVE TO AND LOOK LIKE DIVERGING DIAMONDS LOOK CRAZY AND THEN YOU SEE 'EM IN OPERATION, THEY START MAKING SENSE.
BUT, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF ONE IN TOWN CLOSE BY.
UM, BECAUSE THIS THING REMINDS ME OF A ROUNDABOUT WITHOUT THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE CENTER.
MAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
YOU WANNA MOVE ANOTHER HOUSE AND MOVE OVER THERE AND THEN YOU TRY IT, BUT NOT
WE'RE GONNA DO AN AERIAL ROUNDABOUT.
AND EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE IT YOU HAVE TO GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
SAY LET'S HIT THE NEXT OPTION AND THEN THEN WE CAN DEBATE EVERYTHING.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS, THIS OPTION, UM, IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH LOOKING THAN THE OTHERS.
WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS CASE IS WE'RE, UM, BASICALLY UTILIZING THE EXISTING 79 BUT, BUT COMING OFF AND DEVELOPING OFF AND ON RAMPS ONTO 1 32 AND AND SECTION OF FRONTAGE ROAD TO, TO MAKE THESE MOVEMENTS HAPPEN VERSUS TRYING TO GET HAVE IT ALL AT AT AN INTERSECTION ELEVATED ON OCTOBER 79.
SO THE, UM, WE GOT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL PAIR DOWN AT 79 WITH RAMPS AND UH, ELEVATED SECTION, ADDITIONAL SECTION FARTHER NORTH.
SO LEMME KIND OF ROLL THROUGH WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE ON 79, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, EITHER GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IF YOU'RE COMING EAST EASTBOUND OR TAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GET ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD, GO NORTH AND THEN EITHER MAKE A U-TURN IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 1 32 OR KEEP GOING, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTH ON 1 32.
SO FIELD OFF 79, GET ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND THEN YOU MAKE YOUR WAY TO 1 32.
UM, WHAT THIS INCLUDES, AND I I THINK I PUT IT ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, IS THERE WOULD BE A ADDITIONAL BRIDGE SECTION TO WHERE THIS WOULD BE 1 32 WOULD BE OVER ME.
SO YOU, SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC COULD FREE FLOW UNDERNEATH ON THAT U-TURN AND GET BACK AND GET ONTO, ONTO THE RAMP.
SO YOU'D BE BUILDING TWO BRIDGES? YES.
THAT INCLUDES ADDITIONAL BRIDGE AND THAT WOULD BE A DEDICATED ALWAYS TURNAROUND.
WE TURN
SO TURN AROUND, GO NO SIGNAL HERE.
THERE WOULD BE A SIGNAL HERE, BUT THIS WILL BE A FREE FLOW TURNAROUND.
WELL, I JUST THINK YOU'RE ROUTING EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN TO GO THROUGH ONE INTERSECTION, NORTH OR SOUTH.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A DISASTER.
AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT ROAD? THAT, THAT ROAD UNDER THE, UNDER THE HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE TOP LEFT SIDE UP HERE? NO, KEEP GOING TO THE LEFT.
THAT, THAT, SO THIS ONE? NO, THE OTHER ROAD.
SO WE WOULD, THAT WOULD GO AWAY.
AND HERE, THAT'S LITERALLY THERE TODAY THOUGH.
SO ONE OF THE KIND OF WHERE THIS OPTION GENERATED FROM WAS KIND OF TRYING TO LOOK AT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL INTERCHANGE, IF YOU WILL, TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE FREE FLOW MOVEMENT.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, BIG FAT, YOU KNOW, CHUNK OF AREA THAT YOU NEEDED TO MAKE ALL THOSE MOVEMENTS WORK NOW 79 GOING EAST, IS THERE A LIGHT THERE TO MAKE THAT LEFTHAND TURN? YES.
SO THERE WOULD BE A LIGHT HERE AND A LIGHT HERE AND THEY WOULD BE, THEY'D BE SET UP AS A PAIR.
SO, SO THAT SLOW DOWN THE FLOW WITH 79 THOUGH.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT
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HERE IN A MINUTE.BUT, UM, SO LEMME FLIP THROUGH REAL QUICK.
SO THE, THE REVERSE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAW WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU'RE ON 1 32 AND YOU WANT GET TO 79, YOU GET OFF, MAKE A U-TURN, COME TO THE RAMP AND MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT.
UM, KINDA LIKE A MICHIGAN LEFT WAY LEFT, BUT YOU YEAH, EXTENDED.
PROBLEM IS YOU'RE, IF YOU BUILD THE CITY OUT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M WITH YOU.
IF YOU BUILD THE CITY OUT AND YOU'VE GOT LIKE 30,000 PEOPLE LIVING OVER THERE, THEN EVERYBODY WHO'S COMING EAST GOING EASTBOUND FROM THE C B D OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE COMING UP THEN AND THEY LIVE SOUTH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LINE BACKED UP TO 79 OF PEOPLE AND IT'S A CONTINUOUS U-TURN.
BUT YOU JUST HAVE THIS, THIS NOT GONNA BE A, ABOUT, IT'D BE A COMPLAINT OF SAYING WHY THIS
YEAH, THIS SEEMS LIKE I WOULD NOT SUGGEST IT ALL WITH ALL THE
EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IS, IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA MM-HMM.
PLUS WITH THE SIGNALS ON 79 YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FREE FLOW SITUATION.
SO THERE IS MORE OF AN IMPACT TRAFFIC STANDPOINT LONG TERM ON 79 WITH THIS OPTION.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA GO THROUGH OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT, WHAT THE CONSIDERATIONS WERE AND WHERE WE'RE AT, UH, AND WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
AND THIS IS VERY GOOD INPUT BECAUSE IT'S KINDA A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING.
UM, THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE LOOK AND FIELD OF THIS ONE IS MORE FOCUSED ON CONFUSION.
OKAY,
UM, IT DOES, IT DOES ALLOW OR IT DOES HAVE, UM, MUCH LESS IMPACT ON 79 PROPER.
IN OTHER WORDS, NOT REDOING FOR THE 79 TO PUT THIS IN.
YOU ARE HAVING SOME WIDENING FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, DESAL LANES TO TURN AND THAT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT NOT WHOLESALE, UH, RECONSTRUCTION LIKE YOU DO ON, ON THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. AND SO THIS ONE IS ONE OF THE THREE, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ONE'S MORE FOCUSED ON 1 32 AND HOW THAT, AND TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF 79.
UH, THE OTHER TWO WERE MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE MINIMIZE THE FOOTPRINT? CAN WE, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, WHAT IS THE BEST OVERALL TRAFFIC SCENARIO? UM, THIS ONE HAS SOME, SOME ISSUES.
I THINK WE GOT ONE WE'D LIKE, ONE WE KIND OF LIKE AND ONE WE DON'T LIKE NOW.
UM, I I WILL SAY GOING BACK AND, AND MATT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OPTION WE PICKED OUT EARLY ON, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE LOOKED AT WAS THE, WHAT WAS CALLED THE JOKE HANDLE OPTION, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF A BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST COME OFF OF 1 32 AND
THERE'S A, UH, A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES WITH THAT OPTION.
ONE BEING, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE SPACING YOU NEED FOR SIGNALS ON 79, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG A UH, AND IT JUST FUNCTION AS WELL.
AND THEN YOU'RE ON TO, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH COTTONWOOD.
SO YOU TAKE GROUND ROCK AT A SECOND JUG HANDLE TO UM, PENNY FORT BECAUSE ONE DOESN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T
UM, AND SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUNCTION AS WELL FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
UM, SO I WANTED GO MENTION THAT.
UM, SO JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE ALTERNATIVES, JUST KIND OF A SNAPSHOT, YOU HAD TO PUT IT ON PAPER AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THESE, UM, COSTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON HERE ARE FULL BUILD OUT AND WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT PHASING OR ANY OF THAT, BUT THIS IS JUST KINDA ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO PUT ALL THIS IN, UM, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, OPTION ONE AND TWO ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR AND THEY WORK, WORK THE BEST, BUT, UM, OPTION TWO IS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY BETTER, UH, ON, UM, 1 32, UH, INTERSECTION.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE ACTUALLY.
UM, RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS FOR ONE AND TWO ARE ARE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF TOTAL ACREAGE.
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SLIGHT VARIATION ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS TRACK THAN THIS ONE.BUT OVERALL, UM, ACREAGE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR.
UM, THE, UM, THE OPTION ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL, WHAT I WOULD CALL TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION CONFIGURATION, UH, VERSUS OPTION TWO, WHICH KIND OF IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HIGHWAY.
UM, AND THEN OPTION THREE IS, IS IS UM, UH, ACTUALLY LESS COSTLY EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A LOT MORE BRIDGE ON IT, BUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT IT DOESN'T FUNCTION AS WELL.
UH, IT'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DELAYS ON 79 OTHERS.
AND SO, UM, OVER TWO BRIDGES AND THE, THE BRIDGE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS MUCH LESS ON OPTION THREE, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO INTEGRATE, YOU'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THE 1 32 BRIDGE AS OPPOSED TO BRIDGING OUT MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS.
IS EVERYTHING ELSE IN AN EXIT RAMP ONLY? YOU'RE NOT DOING TRAFFIC PATTERNS ON THE BRIDGE VERSUS THE FIRST TWO ARE OPTION ARE TRAFFIC POWERS FIRST? YEAH, THE FIRST TWO OPTIONS, WHAT DRIVES THE COST IS TWO THINGS.
ONE IS YOU GOTTA GET UP TO THE ELEVATED INTERSECTION.
SO YOU GOT A LOT OF, UH, EITHER BRIDGE OR BIG RETAINING WALLS AND, AND EMBANKMENT AND ESPECIALLY ON OPTION ONE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WELL BOTH OF 'EM, YOU'RE IMPACTING 79 AND YOU'RE HAVING TO, TO RECONSTRUCT PORTIONS OF THAT EITHER IN PHASES OR CAN I TRUST BUT VERIFY THAT NUMBER RIGHT THERE.
WELL THESE ARE, THESE ARE HIGH LEVEL PLANNING NUMBERS AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO ACCOUNT AND SO, AND THEY'RE WHAT I WOULD CALL BUDGET TYPE NUMBERS.
SO, UM, WE'VE MADE A BUNCH OF ASSUMPTIONS AT THIS STAGE OF GAME.
WE HAVEN'T DONE DETAILED DESIGN ON ANY OF THESE OPTIONS.
UM, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGE LINKS WOULD BE AND WHERE THE WALLS WOULD BE AND WHAT OUR FOOTPRINT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT THIS IS KIND OF THE, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES I THINK TO, TO, ESPECIALLY ON THE BRIDGE, UM, TO OPTIMIZE IT BOTH IN TERMS OF WIDTH AND, AND, AND WE, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED PHASING UP HOW THIS COULD BE PHASE IS THE, UH, THE PRICE IS, UH, INFLATION CALCULATED IN THERE.
UM, YEAH, WE'VE GOT PRETTY HEFTY CONTINGENCY IN THERE TOO.
I THINK WE GOT LIKE A 30% CONTINGENCY, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THIS? LIKE ONCE, I GUESS OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO GO INTO DESIGN, HASN'T EVEN STARTED WITH THAT, BUT I GUESS ONCE THEY START CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF WE'RE SAY THE OP OPTION ONE OR TWO YEARS
I KNOW, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE TIME TIMELINE WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T
YEAH, SO, SO UM, WE KIND OF ROLL THROUGH SOME DATES THAT KIND PUT TOGETHER.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT THE MEETING TONIGHT OBVIOUSLY WE, UM, WE'VE GOT A SET A DATE WITH TEXT OUT, IT SAYS EARLY THIS SEPTEMBER, BUT LATE THIS MONTH TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM BASED ON, UH, AND SHOW THEM THE, THE SAME INFORMATION AND GET THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
UM, WE'LL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND UM, REVISE THESE CONCEPTS IF THERE'S, UM, CHANGES WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, AND, AND SHOOT TO, TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN LATE SEPTEMBER WITH AN UPDATE, UH, ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE UM, GONNA BE PUSHING TO GET A, A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AGREEMENT WITH UP TO START, UH, THAT PROCESS.
UM, WE WON'T ACTUALLY SUBMIT THEM ANY PLANS UNTIL WE GET TO BASICALLY THE, UH, THE END OF OUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN, WHICH IS, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS OUT.
BUT THE WAY OUR CURRENT SCOPE IS THAT ONCE WE GET THE KNOW WHERE WE'RE CROSSING SEVEN, NINE IN THE RAILROAD IS, IS WE'VE GOT, UM, EFFORT IN THERE TO GO AHEAD AND FURTHER DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF THE DESIGN TO GET THAT INTO UP, TO GET THAT PROCESS STARTED.
'CAUSE THAT'S A LONG LEAD TIME ITEM.
UM, BUT THIS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AGREEMENT, JUST LIKE YOU DID ON 1660, WILL ALLOW THEM TO SPEND SOME TIME AND START REVIEWING THINGS AND MEETING WITH US AND TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE PROJECT.
THEY'RE AWARE THAT PROJECT IS UNDERWAY, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVER SHOWN THEM ANYTHING YET.
UM, AND THEN COMING UP I WANNA JUST, YOU KNOW, BRING YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S, UM, CAMPO HAS, UM, A PROJECT CALL THAT'S ANTICIPATED TO COME OUT THIS FALL FOR THEIR UPDATES.
UM, I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT, THAT THE CITY CONSIDER GETTING THIS PROJECT AND PROBABLY A COUPLE OTHERS ONTO THE
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REGIONAL PLAN.THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE COMMITTED TO TO FEDERAL FUNDS, BUT IT GETS YOU IN THE IN LINE TO, UH, BE COMPETITIVE FOR ANY TYPE OF FUNDING THAT MAY COME UP.
AND THERE IS SOME GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
UM, THERE WAS A, THERE'S A GRANT, UM, CURRENT GRANT OPPORTUNITY INFRA GRANT, WHICH IS FOR CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S, UM, THE TIME PERIOD CLOSES ON MONDAY, BUT THIS PROJECT IS, WE'RE NOT AT THE STAGE WHERE, UM, FRANKLY WE WOULD BE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T, UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ON THAT REGIONAL PLAN.
UM, BUT IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THEY WILL COME OUT AGAIN NEXT SUMMER.
UM, THAT PROGRAM IS, IS UM, SLATED THROUGH 2026, SO WE ANTICIPATE THE SAME GRANT COMING OUT NEXT YEAR.
THIS LIKE, THIS PROJECT WOULD BE A, A GOOD CANDIDATE.
THERE'S ALSO A FEDERAL RAIL OR F R A GRANT, UH, THAT'S EXPECTED TO COME OUT THIS FALL.
IT'S A GRADE ELIMINATION GRANT.
SO I KNOW I GOT THE CHRISSY GRANT ON 1660.
THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER PROGRAM.
UM, THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE ELEMENTS OF IT, IT ELIMINATES THE GRADE CROSSING YOU GOT, UM, SOME ACCESS CONTROL ISSUE WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, A REALLY STRONG CANDIDATE.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, THE CITY TO, UM, TO MOVE TOWARD, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN LINE TO GET, GET ON THE CAMPO REGIONAL PLAN AND, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP YOU LOOK OUT FOR THESE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP.
SO OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE IS TO, ONCE WE GET A, UM, COME BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE, UM, THAT WE WOULD MOVE INTO SCHEMATIC DESIGN, THAT WOULD MEAN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ACTUALLY DOING, UM, SOME PART ENGINEERING.
I MEAN WE'VE DONE SOME TODAY, BUT REALLY GETTING INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS ON ELEMENTS LIKE DRAINAGE AND SOME OTHER UTILITIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE JUST KIND OF TAKEN A VERY HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE, UM, AND START THAT ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS AS WELL AND THEN GET TO A POINT WHERE, UM, IN EARLY NEXT YEAR WE HAVE A FINAL, UH, PRODUCT THAT THEN WE CAN JUST ROLL RIGHT INTO TO FINAL DESIGN.
UM, AND, AND HAVE THAT, UH, PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY WE CAN TRY TO ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS.
ONE OF THE I THINK SCHEDULE, UM, UNKNOWNS AT THIS POINT FRANKLY IS DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION WE GO WITH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SIGNIFICANT UTILITY RELOCATIONS POTENTIALLY.
UM, AND EVEN IF THAT'S LIMITED UP PROCESSES, JUST, IT JUST TAKES A WHILE.
SO, AND, AND WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE TECH APPROVAL PROCESS AS WELL BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE CONNECTING TO 79 NO MATTER WHAT OPTION WE, WE COME UP WITH.
UM, AND WE WANT TO TRY TO POSITION THE CITY TO, AS FAR AS MAKE SURE WE GO THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS TO WHERE IF IN THE FUTURE A DECISION'S MADE THAT WE WANT FLEX STUFF TO TAKE THIS CORRIDOR OVER THAT WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES ALONG THE WAY AND SET IT UP FOR THAT PROCESS AND NOT HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I MEAN YOU DON'T JUST LIKE HOW, HOW LEVEL THE LEVEL NEED PROCESSES.
THINK OF IT AS UM, KIND OF SPECIFIED PUBLIC OUTREACH AND PERMITTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO CERTAIN NOTICES, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UH, GO THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL, ALL THE TREES DOWN ON TWO 90.
THEY TELL EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND THEN RIGHT WHEN THEY GET DONE THEY SAY THANK YOU, THEN THEY CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN.
BUT YOU GOTTA DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF FIRST.
SO IT IS, IT IS A THAT DOES THAT TIME.
SO, SO FOR THE GRANT, SORRY FOR THE GRANT PROCESS, IS IT, UH, TIME SENSITIVE? LIKE SHOULD WE GET ROLLING ON THAT NOW OR, UM, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHICH OPTION FIRST? BECAUSE SOMETIMES I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GRANT OR YOU HAVE TO APPLY THIS YEAR FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF THE FARTHER YOU ARE TO THE PROJECT, THE MORE DEFINITION YOU HAVE ON SOME OF THE COST AND SCHEDULE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DEVELOP A PROJECT SCHEDULE AND A, AND A SCOPE TO SHOW THAT THIS PROJECT IS DOABLE.
THIS IS THE TIMEFRAME, HERE'S THE COST.
UM, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THOUGH, IN MY OPINION IS WE, WE'VE GOT TO GET ON THE, THE CAMPO LIST.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THEY, THEY HAVE A, THERE'S A REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
IT GETS UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU AS A CITY
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PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THIS REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT, THIS WOULD BE ONE.UH, TYPICALLY THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL OR STATE FACILITIES, INTERSTATES, HIGHWAYS, THOSE THINGS.
1 32 ITSELF WOULD NOT BE RIGHT NOW, BUT EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING TOUCHES 79 AND THAT CORRIDOR.
AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT IT IS A, A, A, A ELIGIBLE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I THINK THE PRIMARY IMPORTANCE IS TO GET THAT PROJECT ON THE LIST AND THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT.
UM, WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT TELLS, UH, ANY AGENCY THAT YOU MIGHT BE SUBMITTING FOR A GRANT THAT WE ARE, WE PLAN TO DO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, BUT THIS IS OUR TIMEFRAME AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROJECT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE RES OF PLANS BUT GENERAL DESCRIPTION BUT YOU KNOW, COST AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO, UM, THIS UH, RAIL GRANT THAT I MENTIONED, UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT'S GONNA COME OUT PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER.
UM, NOW THE, UM, THE WAY THOSE ELIGIBILITY ARE WRITTEN IS YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE TIP TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE FUNDING SET OF FEDERAL FUNDING ASIDE.
WE CAN'T GET ON THAT LIST UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE REGIONAL LIST.
BUT YOU HAVE ALL THAT, THEIR REQUIREMENT, THE WAY THE GRANT'S WRITTEN, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THAT POSITION TO GET THE MONEY.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE POSITION WHEN YOU SUBMITTED THE OBLIGATION, BUT YOU, YOU SCORE BETTER IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IT.
SO IF WE WEREN'T, IF Y'ALL WEREN'T COMPLETELY ON THE LIST BY THEN, BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE SHOWN YOU SUBMITTED IT.
GOOD FAITH EFFORT, HERE'S THE TIMEFRAME, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GOES A LONG WAY.
THOSE WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
CAN YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES WHERE I HAD TO THREE THIS HERE.
SO TO GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT LESS THAN 15 MINUTES, CAN WE JUST, YOU GUYS JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT, TRY TO GIVE 'EM SOME KIND OF DIRECTION? LIKE IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN OPTION THREE? NO.
IT LOOKS TO ME THE BIGGEST DIFFERE BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND TWO.
OPTION ONE HAS POSSIBLE DIRECT DEVELOPMENT ACCESS ON 79.
OPTION TWO IS LIMITED ON KNOW THAT, I MEAN WE'VE GOT THE LIGHT FURTHER DOWN AT THE CAROL LANE EXTENSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF DIRECT ACCESS ONTO COTTONWOOD REALLY IS THAT BIG A DEAL.
I KNOW OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN $6 MILLION IS NOT TRIVIAL, BUT FROM A DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY STANDPOINT, THE MORE DIRECT POINTS OF CONTACT THAT YOU CAN GET AG GRADE ARE GONNA IMPROVE THE KINDS OF YIELDS YOU GET ON WHAT'S DEVELOPED TO HOW DEVELOPERS VALUE THAT PROPERTY.
SO, SO LEMME JUST KIND OF ADDRESS THAT.
SO ONE OF THE REALLY, BOTH OF BOTH OF THESE ADOPTED ONE AND TWO COULD ALLOW FOR SOME TYPE OF ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS, IT PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT TYPE OF SCENARIO.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU'D HAVE A, MAYBE A DECELERATION LAYING OFF OF 79 AND A AND A TURN INTO THE, YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVEWAY TYPE.
IF WE'RE HAVING TO PUSH WESTBOUND, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PUSHING IT NORTH IN THIS SCENARIO, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF WE'RE HAVING TO PUSH IT NORTH ANYWAY, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE INCREMENTAL COST TO LIKE YOU SAY ADD A ADD AN ADDITIONAL LANE FOR A TURN IN? YEAH.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE YOU, YOU GET TO THAT POINT YOU'RE IN JUST ACCESS MANAGEMENT WITH
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ON SOME OF THE SPACING BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A, ANY KIND OF SIGNAL THERE AT ALL.
UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION, AND I MENTIONED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT YOU COULD HAVE A DIRECT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA HAVE, AND I THINK OF IT AS LIKE A DIRECT OFF RAMP RIGHT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD BE BUILT COMING OFF OF THIS WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU GO UP ON THE RAMP, YOU COULD HE OFF COME UNDERNEATH 1 32 DIRECTLY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
IF THAT'S SIMILAR FARMER 35, NOW THERE'S ACCESS TO HOWARD, WE'VE BYPASS THE BRIDGE.
FOR ME, OPTION ONE IS TRADITIONAL, WE CAN DRIVE, MEAN EVERYBODY CAN DRIVE UP TO TEMPLE TOWARDS WACO, HOP OFF EVERY, EVERY PLACE WHERE THE SIDE ROAD GOES OVER 35 AND SEE IT OPERATING AND HOW IT WORKS.
I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE IN THE CAROLINAS.
I'D HAD TO SPEND $82 MILLION ON SOMETHING AND I GO AND WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS OTHER WAY.
'CAUSE THIS MAYBE DIDN'T WORK OUT.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING IN A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
I'M GONNA TAKE IT OUT SIX MONTHS LATER.
AND THE THE NEW TOLLWAY, THE THIRD
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LOOP IN HOUSTON HAS THESE AT EVERY MAJOR INTERSECTION IN ON, WAS IT GRAND AVENUE? YEAH.HAS HAS ONE OF THESE AT EVERY, EVERY MAJOR INTERSECTION.
I MEAN YOU GET ON, YOU TURN, YOU GET ON, I MEAN THEY'RE VERY SMOOTH.
I MEAN RE AREA, THERE'S A, UM, UP IN FORNEY UP IN THE DALLAS AREA, UM, US 80, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SCENARIO VERY SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE YOU HAVE A KIND OF A LOCAL ARTERIAL THAT GOES UP TO AN ELEVATED INTERSECTION.
UM, I CAN SEND YOU, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CROSS STREET.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT STREET? UM, UM, WE CAN FIND THAT IF, IF YOU WANNA LIKE FLIP GOOGLE AND JUST LOOK AT IT.
UM, ONE THING ON THIS SIDE CHANGE AND I WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT IN A TEXAS U-TURN AT THE TOP BECAUSE WHAT I KEEP SEEING TXDOT DO IS THEY BUILD A BRIDGE AND 15 YEARS LATER THEY TEAR THE BRIDGE DOWN AND THEN THEY ADD A U-TURN OR THEY BUILD A WHOLE NOTHER SEPARATE U-TURN.
AND I ALWAYS WONDER, YEAH, U YOU ALREADY PUT ALL THIS STUFF UP.
BUT LIKE IN 20 YEARS WHEN THIS IS ALL BUILT UP, PEOPLE GOING WESTBOUND WHO WERE TRYING TO HIT SAY THE INDUSTRIAL PART ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR WHATEVER.
YOU GOT ALL THIS TRAFFIC YOU TALKING ABOUT HERE ON THE YEAH, LIKE YOU COULD JUST PUT THE U-TURN IN NOW AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SEE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS AND ALL THE 35 INTERSECTIONS IS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ALL THE U-TURNS PUT IN.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC UP THERE YET.
BUT, WELL I JUST DON'T, I MEAN I WOULDN'T SPEND LIKE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 20 WELL, BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD SET 'EM UP FOR FUTURE MEAN THESE, THESE HAVE BEEN BUILT SOME SCENARIOS WHERE YOU COULD, YOU COULD SET UP THE, THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE TO WHERE THE, THE, THE FENCE WHERE THE BRIDGE SITS OR SET
BUT I KNOW IT'S LIKE OLD SETTLER'S BRIDGE WHERE I HEARD THAT WAS THE ONE 15 YEARS OLD.
THEY TORE THE BRIDGE DOWN AND REDID IT AND I'M LIKE WOW.
I MEAN THE CONCRETE'S NOT EVEN CURED AND WE'RE ALREADY TEARING IT OUT.
SO WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY BOOK IT.
SO BEING SOMEONE THAT LIVES OVER ON THAT SIDE, ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST SAID, GRANT'S WHOLE NINE YARDS.
WHEN COULD YOU, OR WHEN WOULD YOU ESTIMATE SEEING DIRT MOVE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UM, CONSIDERING WE DO EVERYTHING TIMELINE THAT YOU SAID WE'RE VERY ON TOP OF IT.
I, I'M LATE 25 WOULD BE THE EARLIEST OLD YOU SIX WAIT LATE 2026 BECAUSE PACIFIC IS PROBABLY GONNA TAKE A YEAR JUST FOR NO, I SEE.
I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER HERE THAT YOU KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, NICE TO SEE THIS AND THAT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LIVE OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE WANNA KNOW WHEN THEY'RE
THE DESIGN ITSELF CAN MOVE FAST.
IT'S ALL THE OTHER UTILITY STUFF.
THERE IS A DESIGN FROM OUR SIDE.
CAN THE DESIGN REVIEWS FROM UP WILL NOT MOVE FAST, RIGHT? SO COULD WE GET IT DONE FAST? YEAH.
BUT REALITY, THERE'S A LOT OF PLAYERS INVOLVED UP.
I COULD, I COULD HAVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD UP HERE TOMORROW BEATING DOWN OUR DOOR HOPING TO GET THIS THING DONE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
SO I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING ON THE 1660 SOUTH STUFF, WE SUBMITTED STUFF TO UP IN FEBRUARY, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT TO PUSH 'EM, THERE'S NO WAY TO NOPE.
BUT WE STILL GOTTA COME UP WITH ONE PART WE'RE MISSING HERE.
THIS, THIS, THESE OPTIONS ARE ENTIRE, ALMOST OUR ENTIRE CITY'S DEBT SERVICE NON-UTILITY TO THIS POINT IS GONNA DOUBLE IN ONE BRIDGE.
SO WE START TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR ALL THAT AND A PARK AND THIS AND THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME DEVELOP.
I SAID WE NEED 2026 BECAUSE WE NEED S TO BE UP BUILT.
WE'VE GOT LIKE ONE MINUTE THE RAIL, THE GRANT IS I THINK 60% JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT THE GRANT MONEY, WHAT TYPE OF MONEY WE LOOK AT YOU EMPHASIZE CAN, I'M SORRY YOU EMPHASIZE CAN BECAUSE LIKE WHEN I GO IT'S UP TO 75% OFF.
THERE'S LIKE ONE ITEM 75, JUST 60%.
THERE'D BE LIKE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IF OF THE CAP.
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ANYTHING ELSE? WE GOTTA GO ONE MINUTE.OPTION ONE I THINK, YEAH, IF I HAVE, WE'LL TAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION TO TDOT NEXT WEEK.
WE'VE GOT, WAIT, THERE'S WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE TALKING.
SO DOTTY'S QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE TO PICK AN OPTION TONIGHT? YOU GUYS SAID THAT YOU, YOUR PREFERENCE IS OPTION ONE.
WE HAVE A MEETING WITH TXDOT NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE HEARTBURN OVER IT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WHEN, I DON'T REMEMBER THE 21ST.
WE, SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL, FROM THAT THEY WILL GO AND REFINE THE PREFERRED OPTIONS AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS ON THE 21ST AND THEN YOU CAN SAY YES, THIS IS OUR OPTION, MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NECESSARILY SET OPTION ONE, BUT CAN YOU JUST NOT SPEND ANY TIME ON OPTION THREE AND JUST FOCUS ON THERE ANYONE THAT DOESN'T WANT OPTION ONE.
THIS IS OPTION TWO RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT? NO OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO WAS THE INTERSECTION.
SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S ONE.
BUT IF YOU WANT THIS ONE AT 6 56.
SO WE COULD HAVE SAVED YOU A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.