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SIX O' THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2023.ORDER ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
[3.1. Discussion on Fritz Park's master plan concept including but not limited to approval of the concept, optional components, and parks and recreation office (Jeff White) ]
DISCUSSION THREE.ONE DISCUSSION ON FRITZ PARKS MASTER PLAN CONCEPT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPT OPTION.
OPTIONAL COMPONENTS IN PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE.
JEFF, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT FRITZ PARK.
SO THE FIRST 30 MINUTES WE FOCUSED ON THE FRITZ PARK COMPONENTS AS THE OPTIONAL COMPONENT AS WELL, UH, AND THAT WE LED BY VERDE.
AND THEN THE LAST 15 MINUTES WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT OFFICES.
SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE SHANE, DAVID, AND DALE WITH BURNETT.
UM, WHEN WE VISITED IN JULY, WE MADE A PROMISE THAT WE HAD COME BACK, UM, WITH THE REFINED MASTER PLAN THAT HAD SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED TO US.
ONE WAS, UM, THE POLITE WAY, I GUESS PUTTING AS KIND OF SHAPE, CHANGING THE SHAPE OF SOME THINGS SO THAT IT, UM, PERHAPS DIDN'T HAVE A CERTAIN LOOK TO IT.
UM, I'LL JUST KINDA LEAVE AT THAT.
I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, WE'VE REFINED A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, WHICH DALE IS GONNA GET INTO TONIGHT.
WE'LL HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS, BUT REALLY WANT TO HEAR, UM, NOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH, WITH THE EXISTING OF WHAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WHAT ARE THE KEY COMPONENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? AND THEN FOCUSING ON ITEM 12 IN THIS LOWER, UM, IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND, UM, CORNER, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, WHETHER IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY A DOG PARK, A SKATE PARK, MAYBE A PUMP TRACK.
UM, KEEPING IN MIND IT IS IN THE FLOOD WAY, BILL, NO FLOOD PLAIN.
AND SO WHATEVER WE BUILD THERE DOES NEED TO BE PRETTY RESILIENT.
UM, DOG PARK BEING THE, PROBABLY THE, THE ONE THAT'S THE LEAST RESILIENT, AT LEAST AS FAR AS, UM, MATERIAL THAT GETS LIFTED AND CARRIED OUT.
BUT ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE THERE.
BUT WE DO NEED SOME DIRECTION.
SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, UM, BIG WHAT NUMBER, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? YOU WERE SAYING NUMBER NUMBER 12 IN THE, OKAY.
UM, BIG PICTURE AND WE'RE GONNA RELEASE THE REPORT TOMORROW TO, UM, TO JEFF AND TO PATRICIA.
BUT ON REGULATORY ISSUES, THERE ARE NO US CORPS OF ENGINEERING IMPEDIMENTS TO US DEVELOPING A POND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IMPOUNDING ANY OF COTTONWOOD CREEK AND NONE OF THE PROJECT AREA GETS INTO THE COTTONWOOD CREEK AREA.
NUMBER TWO, WE SHOULD NOT RUN INTO ANY WATER RIGHTS ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THE POND AND THE LIMITED SIZE OF THE POND COMPARED TO WHAT T C E Q LOOKS FOR FROM A WATER RIGHTS PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE ARE CLEAR FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE IN DEVELOPMENT POND.
AND SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
TRY TO GO OVER KIND OF HIGH LEVEL, KEEP IT ON THE BIG PICTURE.
SO WE HAVE SIMILAR ELEMENTS THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA GO GRAB NUMERICALLY DOWN THE ROAD.
SO SOMETIMES I GET TURNED AROUND THE PLAN, BUT THE BIG BLUE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE EXISTING PAVILION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
WE'LL PROBABLY DO A LITTLE BIT MORE GRADING AROUND IT, TRY TO KEEP SOME WATER OUT OF IT.
NUMBER TWO WOULD BE A NEW RESTROOM.
THE ONE THAT THERE'S NOW IS SEEING BETTER DAYS.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET A, A BETTER FACILITY FOR THE USERS OF THE PARK.
NUMBER THREE WOULD BE A SHADED PLAYGROUND AREA.
AGAIN, WE HAVE TWO PLAYGROUNDS 'CAUSE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TWO TO FIVE YEAR OLDS.
AND THEN THE FIVE TO 12 YEAR OLDS, IT WOULD ALL BE SHADED AND SEPARATED AND FOUR RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO LOOKING AT THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE A SPLASH PAD AT THIS POINT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE KIND OF DOING A SPLASH PAD TODAY IS A PASS THROUGH SPLASH PAD AS OPPOSED TO A RECYCLE.
SO THAT WATER BASICALLY WILL BE CAPTURED IN A PIPE AND THEN WE'LL GO DOWN TO THE POND.
AND ONE OF THE IDEAS ON THE POND IS TO CAPTURE THAT WATER, TO REUSE IT, TO PUMP IT INTO THE IRRIGATION FOR THE NEW LANDSCAPING ON THE PROJECT.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST RUNNING IT DOWN A SANITARY SEWER.
AND THAT'S, I WON'T SAY THE REASON, BUT IT'S A GOOD REASON TO HAVE A LAKE THERE.
'CAUSE ALL THAT WATER'S COMING DOWN HERE SO WE CAN CAPTURE IT, BE SUSTAINABLE, REUSE IT.
SO THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR WATER PER SE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR ELECTRICITY FOR A PUMP, BUT THAT'S PRETTY NORMAL.
BUT TRY TO REUSE AS MUCH WATER, RECHARGE IT ON THE SITE AS WE CAN.
THE, UM, WE'VE GOT KIND OF REFURBISH IN LIGHT OF THE BASKETBALL COURT, KIND OF IN THAT SAME CENTER.
AND NUMBER SIX WOULD BE A, A SYNTHETIC LAWN AND
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ARTIFICIAL TURF AREA WITH A SMALL STAGE.AND I'VE BEEN HERE A LOT OF TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY NIGHT MOVIES WHERE WE'VE HAD A LITTLE CONCERTS.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT SPACE.
IN UH, SEVEN ON THERE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING PUMP, WHICH IS ANOTHER, IT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO USE THAT TO KIND OF RECHARGE THE LAKE.
SO YOU HAVE TO AGAIN, TAKE CITY WATER TO RECHARGE THAT.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE PUMP THERE.
OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT MAKE IT A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN SORT OF A LITTLE HUTT THAT IT'S IN RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S NUMBER SEVEN.
AND THAT'S A PUMP THAT DOES WHAT TODAY? IS THERE A WELL THERE? THERE IS A WELL THERE AND IT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S, WE ALREADY, UH, HAVE A MAINTENANCE CREW COMING OUT NEXT WEEK TO, TO INSPECT IT.
UH, INITIAL THOUGHTS WERE, WHEN THEY CAME OUT, UH, PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF THE PUMP, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD, THEY COULD REACTIVATE IT, SO TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, USE THAT WATER, FILTER IT OF COURSE, AND USE THAT AS A SPLASH PAD WATER OR POTENTIALLY TO FILL THE POT.
AND I'M, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THERE WITH THE ORIGINAL FARMHOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S A PUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK, BUT IT'S THERE.
SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THEN, UH, SIMILAR WE HAVE THE OUT OUTER LOOP TRAIL THAT HAS A QUIET CONTEMPLATION GAZEBO, A POLLINATOR GARDEN KIND OF ACROSS THE LAKE.
NUMBER 11 WOULD BE A FAMILY BARBECUE AREA.
YOU CAN'T TELL THAT WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 65 IN YOUR EXISTING LOT.
WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO ADD 63 MORE.
THE WAY WE CONFIGURE THAT TODAY IS IT'S KIND OF AT THE END OF PARK AVENUE, DEPENDING ON WHEN AND HOW AND WHERE EAST LIVE OAK STREET GOES, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE TIE INTO THAT AS WELL FOR THE PARKING STANDPOINT IN THE CIRCULATION.
UM, SIMILAR ITEMS THAT WE HAD.
TREE GROVES WITH SEEDING, ARTIFICIAL TURF, POTENTIAL FOOD, TRUCK PARKING, YOU KNOW, THE WILDFLOWER NATIVE GRASSES ARE KIND OF ON THE PERIMETER LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO HAVE THE LAWN LIKE I HAVE IN MY FRONT YARD THAT I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WATERING.
BUT THIS IS MORE OF A NATURAL BLACK LAND PRAIRIE.
THIS PART OF TEXAS, WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE WE GOT HERE.
AND THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM FLYING A HEIGHTS TO CHASING THE BALL WITH YOUR KIDS.
AND WE'VE GOT NUMBER 22 ON THERE.
WE'RE, WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SHADE STRUCTURE.
'CAUSE WE TRIED TO UPGRADE THE TENNIS COURTS.
AND I'M GONNA KIND OF, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO NUMBER 12.
SO LAST TIME WE HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND KIND OF MAYBE WANT TO FOCUS AND GET A CLOSER DECISION ON THAT.
SO THINGS WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT WOULD BE A PUMP TRACK, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LITTLE KIDS JUST SORT OF PUMP THEIR BIKES AND RIDE OVER THE LITTLE HILLS.
THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO PEDAL TOO MUCH FOR THAT.
AN OPTIONAL SKATE PARK OR AN OPTIONAL DOG PARKS.
WE KIND OF, WE HAVE EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL MAPPED OUT AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED, BUT NUMBER 12 COULD BE ONE OF THREE THINGS.
I GUESS THE FOURTH THING, IT COULD BE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DOG PARKS, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SKATE PARKS, PUMP TRACKS.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND WE HAVE A SPACE THERE THAT WE COULD DO THAT IF YOU'ALL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT DIRECTION.
SHANE, YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP WITH ANYTHING? YEAH, SO, UM, REALLY WE JUST, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW REALLY WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE KEY TO, UM, TO EACH OF YOU AND COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP THAT, UM, THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN DESIGN, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, THAT WE CAPTURE THAT AND THAT WE GET IT, GET IT INTO THE DESIGN ITSELF.
SO FOR NUMBER SIX, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
WITH THIS STAGE, WHAT IS THE AREA OF THAT WHOLE SPACE? DO Y'ALL KNOW? LIKE WHAT THE WHOLE PARK, IS IT 15 ACRES OR 25 ACRES? THERE'S 34 ACRES ROUGHLY IN THE PARK.
WELL, I MEAN THAT ALSO INCLUDES, SOMETIMES INCLUDES ARMSTRONG AND ME.
SO LIKE THIS PART IS PRETTY, THIS IS 25.
SO IT'S LIKE TWICE AS BIG AS THAT BASKETBALL COURT THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE BASKETBALL COURT IS FIVE.
IF I ADDED TWO OF THOSE, THAT'S HOW BIG THAT SPACE IS AND I DON'T OKAY, GOT IT.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT LIKE A GRAVEL WALKING TRAIL? LIKE I KNOW I SEE THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, SIDEWALKS MM-HMM.
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OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.THE CHALLENGE WITH DOING GRAVEL IN THE FLOODPLAIN IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK OUT THERE AND REPLACING IT CONSTANTLY.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE MATERIALS, BUT IT'S TAMPING IT DOWN AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH IT IN THE FLOODWAY.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? ABSOLUTELY.
DO YOU LIKE WHERE COULD THAT, LIKE POTENTIALLY, WHERE COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT GO RIGHT NOW, THAT OUTER TRAIL, WHICH WE CAN CALL IT CONCRETE, I CAN CALL IT GRAVEL, IT'S NOT BUILT YET, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A THREEQUARTER MILE TRACK.
AND I THINK, I MEAN I, I LOVE THE DECOMPOSE, IT DECOMPOSE GRANITE AND GRAVEL, BUT IT CAN BE A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE 'CAUSE IT JUST LIKE TENDS TO GO AWAY.
THERE'S SOME NEW PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT ARE BINDERS AND ORGANIC BINDERS AND HOLDS IT IN PLACE.
I'M TRYING TO USE IT ON A PROJECT IN ANOTHER CITY SO I CAN SPEND THEIR MONEY TO SEE IF IT REALLY WORKS.
'CAUSE I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT IT REALLY WORKS YET.
THAT'S, I THINK THERE'S THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN, BUT I JUST ALWAYS, I KNOW FROM A PARK STANDPOINT, MAINTENANCE AND DECOMPOSED GRANITE, IT RUNS OUT, IT ROLLS, IT CAN GET HIT BY A WEED EATER.
THERE'S SOME THINGS, BUT I'LL TELL YOU.
BUT I, LONG TERM, I THINK JEFF, WELL I, THE OTHER THING IS I, I KNOW A LOT OF FAMILIES WOULD WANNA PUSH A STROLLER AND TRY TO PUSH IT ON CRUSH GRANITE PRETTY MUCH NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I CAN SEE LIKE AREA 18 WHERE WE SORT OF HAVE THAT GLOBE OF TREES AND FRUIT TRUCKS.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR DECOMPOSED GRANITE AND YOU CAN WALK ON IT, YOU CAN GET YOUR TABLE, YOU CAN EAT YOUR TACO, YOU CAN SIT DOWN.
THAT, THAT ENVIRONMENT IS REALLY GOOD FOR THAT.
BUT, AND IT'S SORT OF A MANAGEABLE, I CAN RAKE THIS OUT ONCE A WEEK KIND OF THING.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT.
I WAS THINK WHAT'S THE REASON FOR, UH, IS IT JUST EASIER TO WALK ON? I WAS THINKING MORE OF LIKE A WALKING TRAIL, LIKE IT'S JUST FOR WALKING OR RUNNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING TAKE UP A TON OF SPACE, BUT LIKE, IF IT WAS LIKE INNER WO RIGHT.
BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME IT, IT, IT'S JUST FOR THAT AREA.
IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A RUNNER WALKER ON CONCRETE RIGHT.
FOR FOLKS? I MEAN, NO, I'M NOT A SERIOUS
SO I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE SURFACE IS TRAIL RUN AS OPPOSED TO CONCRETE RUN.
SO WE CAN, WE CERTAINLY, THE, THE EASY ANSWER IS THAT YES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S OUT THE FLOOD PLAIN AND WE WOULD ENCOURAGE IT TO BE INTER, LIKE YOU SAID, INTERWOVEN WITH THE EXISTING CONCRETE TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH ALSO GOES WITH SOME OF Y'ALL'S PLAN STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE AS THE CITY AS WELL THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF STICK WITH OR GET IT.
SO COUNCILMAN THOMPSON, THERE'S IN, IN THIS PARK, UM, THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS HIGHLY UNDER, UNDER HIGH CONSIDERATION FOR THE COTTONWOOD TRAIL, WHICH LEADS INTO THIS PARK AS A, THE CREEKSIDE.
SO THERE'S AN AREA THERE THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT POTENTIALLY, UM, THE TRUCK KIND OF JETTISONS OUT THE CONCRETE TRUCK KIND OF JETS OUT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE'S A BIG SECTION ABOUT A MILE, MILE AND A HALF LONG THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAD A DECOMPOSED GRANITE TRAIL ALONG THE, THE CREEK EDGE THERE.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER PLANS TO DO THAT.
IF THEY WANNA RUN, THEY CAN RUN ON THAT, BUT THEY WANT TO PUSH OR STROLLER WHEEL, THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND TO REMIND EVERYBODY, SINCE WE BROUGHT UP THE FLOOD PLAIN, UM, THAT'S WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE IMPACT OF THE RESTROOM OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THAT LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK THAT REPRESENTS THE FLOODPLAIN AND KIND OF HAS LIMITED US THAT OH, THE DOTTED LANE.
SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE WHERE, YOU KNOW, ARE WHERE THEY ARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS OF IT, BUT JUST THIS TRAIL KIND OF RIGHT HERE OR THE SIDEWALK, I GUESS NOT SIDEWALK KIND OF GOING THROUGH HERE.
MAYBE PUSHING IT AROUND TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BASKETBALL COURT AND THEN LOOPING IT IN.
I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF WEIRD THROUGH THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE LIKE I COULD JUST SEE LIKE US HAVING LIVE MUSIC OUT THERE OR LIKE WHATEVER EVENT AND THEN PEOPLE, AND THEN PEOPLE WANTING, LIKE IF PEOPLE PUT THEIR CHAIRS OUT ON IT, LIKE THEY CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF PEOPLE ARE WALKING, THEN IT'S JUST, AND THAT DECREASES THE AREA.
IT JUST KIND OF DIVIDES IT, I FEEL LIKE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT I AGREE WITH THAT JUST, JUST VISUALLY OR AESTHETICALLY.
BUT THE BIG THING THAT THEY WANT GUIDANCE ON WAS AT LEVEL IN AREA 12, UM, 12, THE, THE DOG PARK THING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLANE.
I'M CONCERNED BY THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS CURRENTLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO AN AMAZING DOG PARK MM-HMM.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE A PUMP TRACK OR A SKATE PARK.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEADING IS I PERSONALLY, I THINK THE PUMP TRACK 'CAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT MM-HMM.
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POSSIBLY MORE.AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE OR LESS THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT.
AND SINCE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT, IT'S THE PUMP TRACK FIELD, BRING THEIR BY, THEY DO THAT, THEN THEY PUT THAT UP, THEN THEY GO INTO THE PARK TO DO THE OTHER STUFF.
AT LEAST THAT'S KIND OF HOW I VISUALIZE THAT USAGE.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT IS MAYBE THE PUMP TRACK, UM, FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO ALLEVIATE THE, UM, LOAD LANE ISSUES OF, OF WASTE RUNNING OUT OF THAT PARK INTO THE PARKING LOT.
LIKE WITH THE DOG PART, THERE'S LIKE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK SAID THERE'S AN AN AMAZING DOG PART, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING ON CITY PROPERTY WITH PEOPLE WITH THEIR DOGS AND PETS AND HAVING TO MANAGE, I GUESS ISSUES AMONGST OWNERS AND PETS, BEHAVIOR THINGS, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER LEVEL THAT WE'D HAVE TO TAKE ON AS A CITY.
UM, AND WE JUST MAY NOT BE THERE YET.
AND UM, SO I, FOR, AS FAR AS THE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PUMP TRACK AND A SKATE PARK? I KNOW THAT'S A SILLY QUESTION, BUT I SAW THE PUMP TRACK.
WE BROUGHT SOME IMAGES THAT ONE DAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE 'EM WITH THIS.
BUT IT IS A, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A TRAIL.
THIS ONE, ESPECIALLY BEING IN THE FLOODPLAIN WOULD BE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT.
BUT IT IS A SERIES OF BUNCH OF LEADING, YOU KNOW, HILLS AND DIPS OKAY.
THAT YOU USE YOUR BODY WEIGHT SHIFTING AROUND ON THE BIKE OR ON THE SCOOTER TO, TO MAINTAIN YOUR MOMENTUM.
THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET YOURSELF ALL THE WAY AROUND WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO PEDAL.
PFX AND SKATERS SKATE ON CONTRACT 1%.
I MEAN THAT POLICY QUESTION, THEY CAN, IF THEY'RE CAPABLE.
AND A LOT OF SKATERS LIKE TO, USUALLY THEY LIKE TO DO SCOOTERS.
DO YOU LIKE ROLLER SKATES OR DO YOU MEAN LIKE WITH A SKATEBOARD? LIKE A SKATEBOARD THEY USUALLY, I GUESS, YEAH.
NOW THAT I SEE IT, NOW SEE A SKATE.
THE SKATE COMMUNITY WILL TYPICALLY DO THEIR RACER SCOOTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY RECOGNIZE WHERE GOOD SKATING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, DOING THE, SORRY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
THE, THE APPROACH ON THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BEING ON THE FLOOD PLAIN, IS WE WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT WHENEVER IT GETS WET AND YOU'VE GOT MOVING WATER COMING DOWN THAT SECTION, THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A BUNCH OF EROSION AND RUIN EVERYTHING, COST YOU A BUNCH OF MONEY.
ARE THE, UH, UH, THE SHADED STRUCTURES AS WELL AS THE, UM, PLAY EQUIPMENT, IS THAT, IS ANY OF IT, UM, IS IT ANY OF IT ALL DISABILITY ACCESSIBLE? WE, ALL OF IT IS ACCESSIBLE BUT FAR AS, AS FAR AS LIKE A WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY CALL LIKE A FUN FOR ALL TYPE PARK THAT IS DEDICATED STRICTLY TO PHYSICALLY CHALLENGED CHILD CHILDREN, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE FEATURE BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO TO THAT.
BUT THESE WOULD BE MOST ABILITIES AND THEY WOULD BE A D A ACCESSIBLE.
BUT IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT LIKE FUN FOR ALL THAT SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR COULD GET TO EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT.
I MEAN THERE'S, IS THERE ONE, LIKE ONE SPECIFIC LIKE, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE NUMBER THREE COULD NUMBER THREE, COULD AN AREA OF NUMBER THREE BE WE CERTAINLY COULD.
WE GENERALLY HAVE AT LEAST 40% OF A PLAYGROUND IS ACCESSIBLE.
SO IT'S NOT ALL SWING SETS MM-HMM.
OR IT'S NOT EVERYBODY GET TO THE TOP OF THE NETTING.
WE MAY HAVE OVER IT AT OUR COMMUNITY PARK.
YES, WE HAVE THAT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULDN'T CALL IT ALL ACCESSIBLE.
LIKE EVERY 300, YOU KNOW, EVERY PIECE ON IT IS ACCESSIBLE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT PRECLUDES US.
IF WE NEED TO CREATE MORE ELEMENTS FOR THAT, WE CAN.
AND LIKE THE CONTEMPLATION AREA, THAT'S AS MUCH A REFUGE FOR LIKE CHILDREN WITH AUTISM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ENGAGE, BUT THEN HAVE THAT PLACE THAT THEY CAN GET, GONNA GET BACK.
TAKE A DEEP BREATH, GET IT ALL.
IF YOU'RE ADDING A FEATURE SPECIFICALLY FOR ACCESSIBILITY, THEN IT SHOULD BE NEAR THE PARKING BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE LIMITED.
THE ACCESSIBILITY OF GETTING TO THE FUTURE, MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING THERE.
ALL THE TRAILS WE SHOW WILL BE ACCESSIBLE.
SO LESS THAN 8% SLOPE EVERYWHERE.
BUT I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY NEEDS, IF SOMEBODY IS LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO PHYSICALLY, THEN MAKING IT A HIKE TO GET OVER TO A FEATURE MAKES IT A BARRIER.
SO HAVING IT CLOSER TO MARKETING MAKES MORE SENSE.
AND IF WE, IF WE DID BRING IN, ONCE WE GET DEEPER INTO DESIGN AND WE START TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL PIECES AND START TO LOOK AT PRODUCTS AND PRODUCT CHOICES, IF WE END HAVE Y'ALL PUT US IN THE DIRECTION OF HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT CLOSER TO THE PARKING.
THE PLAYGROUNDS WILL HAVE SOME, THEY'LL BE A D A ACCESSIBLE AND THEY'LL HAVE SOME OF THOSE PLAY ELEMENTS IN THEM.
BUT IF WE CREATE LIKE A UNIQUE PLAY SPACE JUST FOR SOME OF THOSE KIDS WITH
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CHALLENGES, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOCATE THAT SEPARATELY AND HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE PARK.OH, WE'VE GOT A QUESTION BACK HERE TOO.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT FRITZ PARK AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, I THINK YOU WERE STILL ON, ON THE BOARD WHEN WE WERE DOING IT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, DAN.
AND WE HAD LOOKED AT, UH, AND I NOTICED THAT IT'S HERE TWO PLAYGROUNDS.
ONE OF THEM WOULD BE PRIMARILY A REGULAR TYPE PLAYGROUND SWINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
I KNOW THERE WAS LIKE A SWING THAT YOU COULD PUT A WHEELCHAIR ON.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD, WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE THREE USES FOR THAT LOWER RIGHT.
UM, PERSONALLY, I, I'VE BEEN INVESTIGATING SKATE PARKS FOR ABOUT A DECADE NOW AND DOING A LOT OF TALKS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS.
UH, YOU CAN USE BICYCLES ON A SKATE PARK AND RIGHT.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO DO THE KIND TYPES OF THINGS THAT SKATEBOARDERS LIKE TO DO ON A PUMP TRUCK.
SO THE SKATEBOARD LIKE TO HALF CIRCLE, THEY LIKE THE GRINDING RAILS, THEY LIKE ALL THE DIPS AND LIKE POOL TYPE SETTING.
AND YOU CAN USE BICYCLES ON THOSE TWO.
SO IF WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THE SKATE PARK RATHER THAN A PUMP.
I'D LIKE US TO LOOK INTO THE LEGALITIES OF THE, THE WHOLE A D A THING.
BECAUSE I'VE SAT THROUGH SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAINING ON THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY IMPRESS UPON US WAS IF YOU HAD A RESTAURANT AND THE SECOND STORY HAD A GREAT VIEW OF THE LAKE, BUT YOU PUT THE HANDICAP TABLES ON THE BOTTOM, THEN YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THE THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SHOULD GET THE SAME VIEW AS YOU DO.
AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SWING SET AREA, IF ONE SWING IS AD ACCESSIBLE AND THE OTHER TWO AREN'T, THAT'S PROBABLY
BUT IF YOU SAY, WELL THE, THE ACCESSIBLE ONES ARE OVER THERE, MAYBE THEY DON'T WANNA BE OVER THERE.
THEY WANNA BE WITH THE OTHER KIDS.
AND SO YOU'RE, AND IF 40% OF THE PARK IS GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE OR, OR BE COMPLIANT, THEN I WOULD SAY THE 60% THAT'S NOT COMPLIANT, WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO POTENTIALLY LEGAL ISSUE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, WELL I WANNA GO TO THIS PAVILION HERE.
WHY CAN'T I GO? WELL NO, THEY'RE SAYING THAT 40% OF THE FEATURES IN THAT PLAYGROUND RIGHT HERE IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
EVERYTHING IN THE PARK IS AADA A ACCESSIBLE, HE WAS JUST SAYING THAT TWO PLAYGROUND FEATURES WOULD HAVE 40%.
AND PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR PROJECT TEAM INCLUDES A RESIDENTIAL ACCESSIBILITY SPECIALIST.
IT'S AN A D A COMPLIANCE PERSON AND DOES THE PERMITTING FOR THAT.
AND THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH US IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.
SO THEY'RE, WE'VE GOT THEM ON ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PARK, INCLUDING THE PLAYGROUND.
AND WE DID COUNTRY, UH, ESTATES.
THERE'S A GUY THAT JOINED THE BOARD.
WE REVAMPED THE WHOLE PARK AND THEN HE SAID, WELL MY KIDS, MY KIDS CAN'T USE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE PUT A LIP UP AROUND AND IT HAD SWING SETS THAT HIS THREE-YEAR-OLD OR FOUR YEAR OLD COULD USE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COULDN'T USE IT ANYMORE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW TALL UP IT WAS, BUT HE SAID, WELL WHY DID YOU GUYS DO THIS? I SAID, WELL YOU NEED TO NEED TO JOIN THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT SOMETIMES.
AND I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE TWO BASED ON AGE IS REALLY GOOD AND APPROPRIATE.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I HAD KIDS AT DIFFERENT AGES, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS THAT ARE OLDER THAT YOU WANT THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE ROUGHER AND YOU WANT TO HAVE THE OTHER ONE WHERE THE YOUNGER KIDS CAN PLAY AND YOU CAN BE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE WATCHING BOTH PLAYGROUNDS WITH THEIR KIDS.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OF THE FAMILIES AND HOW OUT TO 12 STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE NOWADAYS IS AWESOME.
SO YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE GET INTO THE PHASES, A COHORT OF PARENTS WITH CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES OR SPECIAL NEEDS OR JUST REGULAR CHILDREN BE INVOLVED IN KIND OF THE, UM, NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE DESIGN ASPECT.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A COHORT OF STUDENTS BE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN ASPECTS.
ONE EXAMPLE IS AT THE, UM, SPLASH PAD, THE METAL ON THE BUTTON GETS REALLY HOT IN THE SUMMER FOR THE KIDS TO TOUCH.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT IF WE ASK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGULARLY GOING TO USE THE PARK, THEN THEY WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, AH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT COVERED.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE PARK ON A REGULAR BASIS, THE ONES MAKING SOME OF THE DECISIONS TO, TO MAKE IT WHAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY BE THERE IN THE NEXT 30 OR 45 DAYS WHERE WE'VE GOT SERIES OF PRODUCTS WHERE WE CAN START GETTING THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK AND WE CAN COME DO A SPECIAL DO YOU, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY COMMUNITY EVENTS, WE'LL WORK WITH JEFF OFFLINE WITH THIS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMUNITY EVENTS OR IF WE JUST NEED TO SET UP A SEPARATE TIME DAYS IS THE SECOND SATURDAY IN OCTOBER.
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CAN YOU, COULD YOU BE THERE BY THE END OR DO WE NEED TO I'LL CHECK MY SOCIAL COUNTER.YEAH, NO, I'M, I MEAN, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER YEAH.
IS IT TOO EARLY OR? NO, I THINK WE CAN, THERE'S MORE YOU CAN GET WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND WE CAN HAVE A, SO PLEASE.
UM, CAN I ADD A COUPLE THINGS HERE? ONE, UM, A S T M IS THE CERTIFYING AGENCY FOR A LOT OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND A LOT OF THE GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND THAT HAS A S T M CERTIFICATION.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OUT THERE NOW.
COMPANIES ARE MAKING GOOD STRIDES TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY SEE THE NEED THERE.
WE CANNOT SPEND TAX DOLLARS ON NON A S T M CERTIFIED EQUIPMENT.
SO WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BACK WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE WE CALLED THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK.
HEY, HOW DID YOU GUYS HAVE THAT WHEELCHAIR SWING IN THERE? THEY PRIVATELY FUNDRAISED MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S ONE TWO TO COUNCIL MAYOR WILCOS POINT, WE ARE WORKING ON, UM, THE FINAL LOGISTICS OF HAVING A PARENT COMMITTEE, UH, HELP US IN THE SELECTIONS OF THE PLAYGROUND AND SPLASHBACK.
SO THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE TO INSTITUTE FAIRLY SOON, AT LEAST PUT IT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN.
AND ALONG WITH THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE, UH, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE CERTAIN MEETINGS AND WHY THEY WANT TO DO IT.
AND THEN THE PARKS BOARD WILL, UH, REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS AND BE THE ONES THAT APPOINT 'EM TO THIS, THIS GROUP.
AND THEN, UH, A PARKS BOARD MEMBER THAT IS A PARENT WILL CO-FACILITATE THE MEETINGS WITH, YOU CAN'T USE TAX GRADE DOLLARS ON NON A S TMM BUT CAN USE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND DOLLARS THAT WERE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CITY BY DEVELOPERS.
UM, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DID YOU GUYS SAY? SO THE SPLASH PAD, YOU'LL PUMP THE WATER FROM A WATER SYSTEM INTO THE SPLASH PAD.
IT'LL GET USED GOING TO THE DRAIN.
IT'LL GO DOWN AND FILL THE POND BACK INTO THE POND.
SO THE WATER COMES FROM THE CITY WATER TREATABLE LIKE YOU GET AT YOUR HOUSE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ACTIVATE THE ELEMENTS THROUGH PUMPS AND THEN IT GOES TO THE LAKE.
AND THEN WE USE THE LAKE WATER FOR IRRIGATING THE PARK.
SO HOW MUCH WATER DOES ONE OF THESE USE IF IT, BECAUSE I ASSUME IT JUST RUNS FROM SAY 10:00 AM TO SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
SO HOW MANY, ARE WE TALKING LIKE 10,000 GALLONS A MONTH? ARE WE TALKING LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS A MONTH? THE SIZE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DELL D D REMEMBER WHAT YOU PUT OUT ON THAT.
USE IT LIKE IT'S THE, THE PLA I DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT TONIGHT BECAUSE WHATEVER INCH YOU GET TONIGHT WILL NOT BE SAY, WELL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT IS AND SO THE FINAL PRODUCT'S GONNA DETERMINE THE GOWNS PER MINUTE.
AND SO THERE WE CAN CALCULATE THAT.
SO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING THE WATER TO THE PARK.
BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY NOT TALKING LIKE, LIKE HOW MANY U OF WATER IS THAT GONNA BE? WELL WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY, AND WHATEVER THE PRODUCT IS, WE WON'T BE RECOMMENDING ANY PRODUCT.
AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH JEFF ON THIS AND I KNOW HE IS GONE OUT TO THE MARKETPLACE TO LOOK AT TO GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM MANUFACTURERS.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ELECTRICAL LOADS, WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER LOADS, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEWER LOADS.
ALL OF THAT IS PART OF, IT'S NOT JUST THE PRETTY PICTURES.
AND SO ABSOLUTELY WE USE DATA, HOW CAN WE JUST REUSE THE WATER? ARE WE AFRAID THE PONDS ARE GONNA GO DRY OR WHAT? I MEAN, AND WHY WOULDN'T YOU LIKE, LIKE A CAR WASH IS USING THE SAME WATER OVER AND OVER AND IT GETS FILTERED.
SO, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE WATER TREATED.
IT HAS TO BE GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND THEY CALL IT RECIRCULATING WATER AND IT DOES SAVE WATER, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME LOSS TO EVAPORATION.
BUT NOW YOU GOTTA HAVE THE EXPENSE OF CHEMICALS.
UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIQUID BLEACH TO TREAT IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE U ACID TO TREAT IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE UV CONTROLS IN THERE TO TO, TO MONITOR THAT.
AND SO IT HAS TO BE 99% TESTED BEFORE IT GOES BACK OUT AND THEY BREAK A LOT AND THEN THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT EQUIPMENT TOO.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF TO DO THAT.
NOW THE RECIRCULATING SYSTEMS ARE, ARE REALLY GREAT AND THEY SAVE A LOT OF WATER.
AND THE CON IS PERCEPTION AND UM, VIEWPOINTS.
SO BECAUSE THERE'S SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN THOSE UNITS, IF THE CHEMICALS GET OUT OF LINE, THEN IT SHUTS DOWN AS A PRECAUTION.
SO IF SOMEBODY STANDS THERE AND POURS DR PEPPER DOWN THE DRAIN AND IT GOES THROUGH THERE AND IT CAN AFFECT THE FLOW OF THE CHLORINE AND THEN IT'LL JUST SHUT DOWN THE PRECAUTION AND SO WON'T, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST GO BACK OUT AND OPERATE.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO BACK OUT AND SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO ADJUST THE CHEMICALS OR TEST IT OR TREAT EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S SOME DOWNTIME
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YEAR AND LET'S SERVE TWO YEARS, THIS IS BUILT AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA WONDER LIKE IF I CAN'T WATER AND FLUSH MY TOILET BECAUSE NO WATER, WHY ARE WE RUNNING A SPLASH PAD? AND IF IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WELL WE'RE KEEPING THE POND FULL.I JUST, WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE THAT QUESTION THE WATER OUT HERE AND IT'S ON A, IT'S ON A WELL, BUT THEY SEE US, YOU KNOW, PUMPING WATER AND THROWING IT UP IN THE AIR AND THEN THEY GO, BUT I CAN'T WATER.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST, THEY'RE ALREADY SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNKHOUSE HERE TOO.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'LL, ONCE WE KNOW, IF WE CAN GET, ONCE WE GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE INTO RIGHT, THE WATER WELL COULD PLAY INTO IT.
SO IDEALLY IF THE WELL IS, IF THE WELL IS THERE SORRY, GO AHEAD.
IF THE WELL IS THERE AND THE WELL'S FUNCTIONING, WE ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO USE THAT WELL TO WATER, TO USE THE WATER FROM THE WELL TO OPERATE THE SPLASH BAG.
WELL I THOUGHT HE SAID THAT WAS FOR IRRIGATION.
SO THEN THE WATER FROM THE SPLASH BAG GOES INTO THE POND AND WE USE THAT FOR IRRIGATION.
SO IT'S A RE IT'S KINDA LIKE A CIRCLE WATER OUT OF THE POND FOR IRRIGATION WATER OUT OF THE WELL INTO THE POND AND INTO FILTERED INTO THE SPLASHBACK SPLASHBACK DRAIN WATER OUT OF THE SPLASHBACK BACK INTO THE POND TO IRRIGATION.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THE LIFECYCLE OF THE, OF THE WATER NET SOURCE OF IT BEING PREDOMINANTLY THE WELL AND RETAINED DRAIN.
SO WHY WOULD THIS NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE STAGE? BECAUSE IT IS LOCAL GROUND.
THERE'S THE WELL WATER, OUR CITY WATER WE'RE PUMPING FROM.
BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO IT.
SO WE'LL GET THAT'S A QUESTION.
'CAUSE WHAT I REMEMBERED HEARING WAS THEY HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND TESTED THE WILLIAM, WE DON'T KNOW WHY THE WELL WAS THERE WHEN IT GOT PUT IN.
AND ALL WELL'S BEEN A FUNCTIONING WELL FOR YEARS.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT YOU COULD PUMP 10,000 GALLONS A DAY IN WATER, MEAN THEY'RE GONNA, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE FINDING.
I'LL FIND THAT OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
BUT WE, WE WON'T BE PUTTING, WE WON'T BE RECOMMENDING A SYSTEM THAT THERE'S NOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN I KNOW THE E E C WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING A REGIONAL DETENTION JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EAST OF THIS.
AND SO I, I QUESTIONED THE INITIAL COST OF THE POND.
I WANNA SAY WHAT, WHAT WAS IT? MAYOR PROTON LIKE $700,000 THEY SAID TO BUILD A POND.
SO I I I REALLY QUESTION THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN'T BUILD A DETENTION POND FOR TWO ACRES, FOUR FEET DEEP FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILLION.
AND SO THE WAY THIS LOOKS LOOKS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
SO I WOULD LIKE US TO ALSO KNOW WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS OUR OTHER GROUP GONNA DO WITH E D C? 'CAUSE IF YOU BUILD A WATER FEATURE HERE AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO BUILD A POND, IS THERE A WAY TO INCORPORATE ALL OF IT AND HAVE A POND THAT'S ALSO WATER FEATURE AND MAKE IT SOMETHING MORE BIG AND REGIONAL AS OPPOSED TO THIS IS BEING SUPPLIED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED AND I THINK THEY'RE STILL DESIGNING THAT OR LOOKING AT IT LAST.
I'VE HEARD THIS IS AND YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, HEY DID WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE E D C ON THE OMNI PUMP? OH, FOR THE
SO THAT WAS A CONVERSATION WE ACTUALLY HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE OF THIS WATER FEATURE AND THEN THE FLOOD PLAIN DOES EXTEND TO THE E INTO THE COTTON CREEK.
SO WE HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION, BUT WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS BECAUSE THERE IS FLOOD PLAIN TO ADDRESS, IT IS AN EXTREMELY COMPLICATED AND KIND OF A NO-NO.
THAT YOU DON'T SPILL DETENTION OVER A FLOODPLAIN OR LIKE WITH A CREEK.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT.
AND THEN TO GET RID OF THIS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE THIS TO WATER ALL OF THE GRASS THAT YOU'RE GROWING IN.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR HAVING THIS, IS WATER FREE WATER THAT YOU CAN THEN IRRIGATE WITH.
SO I HAVE, WE ALSO END UP TRIGGERING A REGULATORY ISSUE WITH SECTION 4 0 4 WITH THE CORE.
AND IF THE MINUTE WE START AFFECTING THE CREEK, UM, EVERYTHING CHANGES.
AND ONE OF, ONE OF THE DIRECTIVES WE'VE HAD IS IF WE'RE GONNA TRIGGER REGULATORY ISSUES, POND LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID OUT HERE.
WE MADE AN ENTIRE WATER FEATURE OF A LITTLE CREEK
BUT IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I ANOTHER QUESTION AS FAR AS LIKE THE THE POND.
DID THE SURFACE AREA CHANGE WITH THIS REDESIGN FROM WHAT IT WAS? IS IT BIGGER NOW OR IS IT SMALLER OR? NO, IT'S BIGGER.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT IT WAS.
I, IT'S SOMEWHERE WE WERE ABLE TO GET LIKE WHERE THE NUMBER EIGHT IS.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME BIGGER AT THE END OF THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK DOWN SURVEYS.
IF YOU SEE PARK AVENUE ON THERE, THAT ROAD, IT KEEPS GOING STRAIGHT THE RIGHT OF WAY DOES UHHUH, SO WE BROUGHT IT IN CLOSER TO THE STAGE BECAUSE I WAS MISSING TELEPHONE POLES AND SANITARY SEWERS AND UNDERWATER WATER LINES.
SO IT ACTUALLY NARROWED DOWN, I THINK THE SURFACE AREA IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS.
BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE ALL RIGHT HERE.
NOTHING DONE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE UTILITIES.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TELEPHONE POLES WERE.
I WAS JUST WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
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DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA.SO IF THERE'S A, A CLOSE APPROXIMATION AND THEN AS WE GET INTO DESIGN THE VERY, VERY PRECISE ASPECTS THAT WOULD START TO WORK OUT.
I, PEOPLE TELL ME THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IT COVERED FROM A STANDPOINT OF MOST OF THE DAY YOU CAN'T USE IT IN THE SUMMER, SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU GOTTA REFURBISH IT, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN OTHERWISE.
BUT I, PEOPLE SAY IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, BUT I'VE SEEN OTHER PEOPLE DO IT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT WAS INSTALLED PREVIOUSLY THAT MAKES IT A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY.
BUT SOMETHING LOOK OUT THERE WITH THE LIGHTS.
OH, WOULDN'T BE KIND OF DETRIMENTAL.
ESPECIALLY LIKE WITH HIGH WINDS, IF THERE'S WINDS, THINGS, IT'S ACTUALLY WOULD BE VERY, FROM A DESIGN, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BUILD A PAVILION, RIGHT.
FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE WE COULD VERY EASILY COVER IT.
IT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND TURN IT INTO A REALLY GOOD PAVILION THAT WORKS WITH THAT LAWN.
BUT PAVILION AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO COVER THAT BIG BASKETBALL COURT THAT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. WHAT IS THAT $30,000 OR IS THAT THREE? THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE OVER 200,000, $200,000 TO COVER THE BASKETBALL COURT.
OH, IT'S 200,000 TO COVER THE BASKETBALL COURT.
SO THE LIGHTS PAPA COVER BASKETBALL COURT.
SAYING TEMPLE'S GOT A LOT OF THIS STUFF UP.
THERE'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GETS BIGGER THAN UH, THE ROUND ONE PARK THAT THEY BUILT, BUT I JUST THINK WE'RE GONNA SPEND $12 MILLION ON A PARK.
AND SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEND MORE MONEY TRYING ACTUALLY SPEND LESS, BUT IF, IF THERE'S FEATURES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T USE, WE CAN TELL YOU THAT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, IT'S A CHOICE LIKE MANY OTHERS.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS FEEDBACK, WE WILL GET WITH PARKS AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU THE COST OF IT? 'CAUSE WE CAN WAGON, I MAY SAY IT'S ONLY A HUNDRED GRAND AND I MEAN IT IS PARK'S SUPPOSED TO BE 10 MILLION.
SO IF WE HAVE AN EXTRA 2 MILLION SOMEWHERE, I MEAN MIGHT AS WELL COVER BASKETBALL COURT
CAN WE, UH, DID WE GET CLARIFICATION NUMBER? I'M SORRY.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION ON 12, WHAT IS A, SO WHAT DOES A DOG PARK, HOW'S I GOT A DOG AND MAYBE I'M NOT DOING IT RIGHT, BUT HOW IS THE DOG PARK DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY JUST WALKED THROUGH THE TRAIL? LIKE IF YOU PUT UP SOME PET POLICE STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE TRAIL, THAT PRETTY MUCH SERVES THE SAME THING AS MAYBE A A DOG PARK, RIGHT? DOG PARK.
YOU'RE ABLE TO INTERACT YOUR DOG AND YOUR DOG AND THAT DOG.
AND GENERALLY HALF OF IT'S BIG DOGS, HALF OF IT'S LITTLE DOGS OR ONE, LIKE I SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 37TH.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON, THAT'S THE PREDOMINANT DIFFERENCE IS THE OFF LEASH ASPECT.
IF Y'ALL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PARK IS PET FRIENDLY, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I'M SURE THAT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE THE DOGS.
A LOT OF THESE DOGS EVERY DAY THERE'S A NO WE HAVE A LEASH.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON 16, IS THERE GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A BOTCHING BALL COURT NUMBER? WHAT YES, YES THERE IS.
BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST SO THAT NOT EVERYBODY, WE WANT THAT TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK THE BOTCHING SHOULD BE AVAILABLE, PROBABLY BE LINED FOR IT, BUT NOT LIKE A PERMANENT THING SO THAT IT PRECLUDES ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES.
SO WE, ABOUT THE ONES WHERE WE'VE DONE THE BOCCE BALL, I'VE GOT, THEY MAKE REALLY NICE OUTDOOR CONCRETE CORN GROUPS, WHICH IS REALLY COOL.
BUT THEN HE GETS TO WORRY ABOUT WHO BRINGS BEANBAGS OR THE CHECKOUT BEAN BAGS, WHICH I FIGURED IF YOU'RE DEDICATED, YOU'RE GONNA BRING YOUR OWN BEANBAG.
SO, AND I I WONDERED YOU BRING YOUR OWN BOCCE SET TOO.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M WONDERING BOC COULD BE, RIGHT? SO IT'S FLEXIBLE OR LIKE DURING LIKE CONCERTS, VENDORS COULD BE SET UP MAYBE RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK, RIGHT? IT'S A FLEXIBLE SPACE.
THAT'S THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE SPACE.
SO IN FACT IN THE ORIGINAL RENDERINGS, THERE'S BOCCE TAKING PLACE ON IT.
BUT THE INTENT IS AS FOR IT NOT TO BE A PERMANENT FEATURE THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF OTHER ACTIVITIES IF PEOPLE WANNA DO IT, WE'RE RUNNING OUT TIME.
CAN WE, SO THIS, CAN WE DECIDE ON NUMBER 12? WE REALLY WANT INPUT FROM COUNT ON NUMBER 12.
CONTRACT, CONTRACT, CONTRACT SKATE PARK.
SO WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
SKATE PARK CAN WORK FOR BIKES BUT IT HELPS, DOESN'T WORK FOR SKATE, IT CAN WORK FOR SOME BIKES AND OF A CERTAIN SKILL LEVEL.
SPECIFICALLY BMM XERS BUT NOT FOR MOUNTAIN BIKES.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S A LIMIT.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY B M X RACERS ARE IN THE CITY OF UH, NO IDEA.
WELL, SO YEAH, I'M THINK OF A SKATEBOARDER.
IN MY OPINION, TAYLOR HAS A REALLY NICE SKATE PARK THAT'S CLOSE BY.
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE, UH, A PUMP TRACK NEARBY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WOULD GO TO TAYLOR AND THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND TO DO SOMETHING NICE.
AND THEN WE COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE
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A LOT OF TAYLOR BE S COULD COME HERE AND WE CAN KIND, I THINK OPENS IT UP TO A WIDER AGE GROUP OF CHILDREN.BE ONE, LET MY KIDS GO ON THE PUMP TRACK.
TRACK GETS A BROADER SWATH INCLUDING ADULTS AND DIFFERENT SKILL LEVELS.
AND IT GETS BACK TODDLER AS WELL.
BEFORE IT THOUGH THE SKATERS VOTE.
WHILE THE SKATERS, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT THEY NEED A SPOT DEDICATED TO 'EM SOMEWHERE IN HU MM-HMM
UM, THE SKATERS THAT KNOW WHAT A PUMP TRACK IS, THEY'LL SWITCH OVER TO A SCOOTER AND THEY'LL DO IT.
I THINK THAT COVER ALL THE EXPERT RIDERS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE SKATE PARK.
SO THIS WILL COVER MORE S AND YEAH.
I HERE PUMP TRACK IS THE GENERAL DIRECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPT? 'CAUSE WE'D ALSO HAVE PARKS OFFICES DO THIS DISCUSS.
SO, AND THIS OPEN PLAY AREA 21 NEXT TO THE BASKETBALL COURT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, PICKLEBALL COURTS THERE.
UH, PICKLEBALL IS BECOMING A LOT MORE POPULAR.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME, I MEAN WE'VE GOT TONS OF OPEN PLAY AREA.
UM, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PLAY PICKLEBALL TODAY IN, IN HU AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE.
SO COUNCIL MAYOR GORDON, OR MAYOR IN COURT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS.
IF WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PARKS OFFICES, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE PARKS OFFICES, THAT IS A POTENTIAL PLACE RIGHT THERE FOR THOSE.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MARRIED TO THAT SPOT.
LOOKS, LOOKED UH, THAT ISN'T THE, ISN'T THE PROJECTED BUDGET TO, TO DISCUSS THOSE.
BUT I MEAN I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE US PLAN SOME KIND OF AVAILABLE ON OUR RADAR.
THAT'S WHETHER IT'S THERE OR WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OFFICES AND I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT TO GO, JUST TO MAKE SURE ON 12, OH, TRACK ON TRACK.
UM, QUESTION ON QUESTION ON 14, WHAT IS DALE? SO IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY KING OF THE HILL.
IT'S A, IT'S A JUST A PLAY SPACE.
IT'S A MOUND THAT IF KIDS WANT TO PLAY KING, QUEEN LET'S ROLL DOWN THE HILL OR HILL RAISED AREA.
YOU NEVER PLAYED KING OF THE HILL WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER.
IT IS THE FIRST ONE BECAUSE I WOULD GET PUSHED DOWN HIM.
WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPEN SPOT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FEATURE TO THE PARK FOR REAL LOW DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE JUST ADD SOME NATURAL ADDITIONAL PLANE AND IT SHOULD NOT BE CALLED
AND IF WE EVER WANNA DO LIKE TELESCOPE, STAR DAZING THAT IT'S ALSO A COOL PLACE TO GO PUT 'EM UP ON THAT, LAY DOWN AND LOOK UP AT THIS AND LOOK THROUGH ALL THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND SEE IF WE CAN SEE SEPARATE OUT LIKE HOW YOU HAVE, LIKE HOW FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR BOCCE BALL.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THIS, YOU KNOW, SIX TO 16 RANGE MM-HMM
UM, IT'D BE COOL TO SEE IF WE COULD SPREAD SOME THINGS OUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING I, HEY KING OF THE HILL ALL GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT IF WE COULD PUT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, BOCCE BALL OR, OR OR, UH, PICKLEBALL OUT THERE ON 14 AND YOU KNOW, SPREAD OUT FOLKS SO THAT WAY WE'RE GETTING MORE USAGE IN THE PARK.
I THINK THAT'D BE PICKLEBALL IS ONE THING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
AND WE HAVE COME ON, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT BACK UPSTAIRS SENSITIVE TO, TO THEIR NEEDS AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF DBAS.
AND LOT CITIES HAVE ENGAGED IN LAWSUIT.
WELL I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING PICKLEBALL HAS TO GO OUT THERE.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE CAN TENNIS COURT PRACTICAL CHALLENGE THAT COMES INTO, HERE'S A PRACTICAL CHALLENGE.
WE'RE ALREADY DOING QUITE A BIT OF GRADING ON THAT IS A HILL THAT WHEN YOU LOOK FROM ALL THE WAY FROM THAT WEST EDGE TO THE EAST, WE'RE TALKING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DROP.
SO THE AMOUNT OF GRADING, WHICH IS MONEY AND COST INCOMING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO AND BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL DIRT.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, OTHER THAN CUTTING OUT OF THE POND, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL DIRT.
MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S, IT JUST ENDS UP EATING UP A LOT OF COSTS THAT CAN FOR THINGS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE FLAT AND YOU END UP HAVING TO REDUCE PROGRAM POTENTIALLY.
IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WHAT WE RAN INTO IN ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.
THAT WAS ON LIKE A WHAT, A 20% SLOPE AND THEY WANT US IN BASEBALL FIELDS AND A FOURTH, NO, A THIRD OF THE BUDGET HAD TO GO TO JUST CREATING TERRACES AND COULD EVEN HOLD WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO.
OR WE NEEDED MORE NATURAL GRASS SO WE CAN DO THAT AND WE'VE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO KEEPING SOME OF THAT OPEN.
SO, UH, ONE OTHER POINT I I WORRY ABOUT CONFLICT BETWEEN THE BASKETBALL
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COURT AND THE STAGE BECAUSE THE BASKETBALL COURT IS PRIMARILY USED IN THE EVENING.THAT'S WHY WE PUT LIKE THERE SO THE PEOPLE CAN USE IT AND YOU'VE GOT A STAGE AND THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST SOME KIND OF BUFFER BETWEEN THEM.
JUST TO ABSOLUTE, IT'S NOT FAR FROM THE STAGE AT ALL.
THE REASONING BEHIND IT WAS AT THAT BASKETBALL COURT ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT IT BEING COVERED AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO CONVERT INTO A PAVILION WHENEVER Y'ALL DID HAVE EVENTS OUT THERE.
AND SO IT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE THING.
SO IF IT DOESN'T GET COVERED, THAT DOES KIND OF CHANGE THE, THE FORMULA A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, WELL EVEN THEN, I MEAN IF YOUR, IF YOUR ANSWER IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THE BASKETBALL COURT EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S ONE OF THE MORE HEAVILY USED THINGS IN THE PARK I THINK SO IT'S IT'S A TOUGH TRADE OFF THERE.
WELL THEN WHY ARE WE BUILDING A STAGE? YEAH.
PEOPLE CAN LIKE RENT IT, RENT IT OUT, RIGHT? RENT THAT AREA OUT.
HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OUT THERE.
THE MUSIC EVENTS WHERE WE USED TO HOST THE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY.
SO WOULD THAT KIND OF BE, I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, LEAD MORE PROGRAMMING FOR PARKS.
AND A LOT OF EVENTS IN THE EVENING INSTEAD OF USING THE PAVILION, YOU COULD DO IT THERE OR HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS IN ONE NIGHT.
HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE PAVILION, SOMEBODY OUT THERE IN THAT AREA.
A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE MY UNCOVERED BASKETBALL COURT AND HOW MANY KIDS ARE PLAYING ON IT AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
COVERING A BASKETBALL COURT IS RIDICULOUS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT UP HIGH ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO ANY GOOD.
BUT SUN'S STILL GONNA GET ON, IT'S STILL GONNA GET HOT.
WHY SPEND 200, 300, 400, 500, HOWEVER MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO COVER IT.
WHY SPEND THAT ON COVERING IT? NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE GONNA BLOCK MY ARC.
SO THINK ABOUT TALKING ABOUT A BIKE PARK, A SKATE PARK ON, I'M SORRY.
WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT MOUNTAIN BIKES AND 10 SPEEDS OR 12 SPEEDS OR 18 SPEEDS OR 21 SPEEDS, WHATEVER THEY ARE, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RUN ON A SKATE PARK.
WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD TRAIL SYSTEM IF WE CONTINUE BUILDING ONTO OUR TRAIL SYSTEM.
IT'S CALLED A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL FOR A REASON.
SO YOUR MOUNTAIN BIKES CAN GO ON THOSE.
YOUR 8 21 SPEEDS CAN GO ON THOSE.
YOUR B M X BIKES CAN GO ON SKATE PARK.
WHY SEND OUR CHILDREN TO TAYLOR TO DO A SKATE PARK? WHY CAN'T THEY STAY IN HU AND I GUARANTEE IF YOU GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL SCHOOL OR ANY OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS IN TOWN AND ASK THE KIDS, WOULD THEY RATHER SEE A PUNK TRE OR A SKATE PARK NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, THEY'RE GONNA SAY SKATE PARK.
YEAH, THAT'S, I'VE TALKED TO THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.
I'VE TALKED TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS.
THAT'S WHAT MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL KIDDOS.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PARK SERVING A WIDER AGE RANGE, KIDS ARE, KIDS ARE USING SKATEBOARDS AT A YOUNGER AGE.
WHY SEND THEM TO TAYLOR TO USE A SKATE PARK? WHY NOT KEEP THEM IN PATO BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS CAN DROP 'EM OFF AT, AT FRITZ PARK TO USE THE SKATE PARK AND GO TWO BLOCKS AWAY TO EAST STREET, GET A PIZZA, DO SOME SHOPPING AND GRAB A BEER.
THE DOWNTOWN HALL OF FAME BRING MONEY INTO DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE MAMA AND ME.
I I I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT PUNK FACTOR IS GONNA BE MORE FOR THE YOUNGER ADULTS.
TWENTIES, LATE TWENTIES, MAYBE EARLY THIRTIES.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING MOUNTAIN BIKES, THEY'RE GOING INTO AUSTIN WHERE THEY DO HAVE A MOUNTAIN BIKE TREK AND THEY CAN RIDE OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE, I DON'T THINK.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ADULTS THAT ACTUALLY RIDE MOUNTAIN MOUNTAIN BIKES.
WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT RIDE BIKES, BUT THEY RIDE ALONG THE STREET.
YOU BRING A POINT IF YOU'RE GONNA PUSH PEOPLE TO ANOTHER CITY, YOU, YOU PUSH THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE OR DO YOU PUSH THE PEOPLE THAT CAN.
AND SO IF INSTEAD OF PUSHING SKATERS TO ANOTHER CITY, DO YOU PUSH THE PEOPLE THAT IN THEIR TWENTIES THAT CAN DRIVE AND GO ANYWHERE? THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE TWENTIES ARE STILL RIDING ON 1660.
I GOT A GUY THAT LIVES IN FOREST CREEK THAT PUTS 7,000 MILES A YEAR ON HIS, ON HIS BICYCLE AND HE IS DOING IT ALL ON RED BUD LANE 79, 16, 60 29, 14 31.
THE ADVICE THAT I WOULD GIVE IS THAT BOTH OF THESE DEMANDS ARE THERE AND BOTH FOR PUMP, BECAUSE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY IS ABSOLUTELY HUGE IN THIS REGION, BUT THE SKATING COMMUNITY CERTAINLY IS AS WELL.
AND YOU'RE 100% CORRECT THAT THEY WERE GETTING ON THEM EARLIER.
THE GOAL, OBVIOUSLY IN FLAGSHIP PARK, WE'VE GOT THIS AREA WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST TAKE CARE OF ONE DEMAND.
THE GOAL ISN'T TO SOLVE ALL DEMANDS.
YOU DO, YOU NEED A SKATE AREA SOMEWHERE IN THIS CITY.
YOU NEED A, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A PUMP TRUCK SOMEWHERE IN YOUR TRAIL SYSTEM OR IN ONE OF YOUR PARKS.
ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SLIVER IN THIS PARTICULAR PARK, WHICH WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE TAKEN ON FIRST ON BEHALF OF YOUR RESIDENTS? AND
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THEN KEEPING IN MIND BIG PICTURE WISE, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ELSEWHERE.YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE, SOMEWHERE ELSE.
EITHER ONE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO WRONG.
YOU'LL BE SERVING A HUGE NEED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GOT A, JEFF'S GOTTA TELL US ABOUT THE OFFICES AND WE'VE GOT LIKE EIGHT MINUTES.
WHAT ARE WE, WE GONNA HOLD ON THAT? YEAH, IT'S NOT URGENT.
COULD WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE TALK TO ABSOLUTELY.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE KIDS BEING INVOLVED.
UH, THIS IS OUR CURRENT OFFICE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION
UH, SOME OF THE KEY FEATURES ARE IT'S 1900 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THERE'S TWO RESTROOMS, A D A ACCESSIBLE HEATING, AIR CONDITIONING AND, AND LIGHTING.
UH, SOME OF THE HURDLES, IT IS AN AGING BUILDINGS GOT EXTERIOR FACADE NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS, DOESN HAVE A PROPER BREAKTHROUGH.
UH, IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IT'S LIMITED STORAGE AND IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR OUR FUTURE.
Y'ALL ONLY GOT A BREAK ROOM IN THERE? NO, IN FACT, COME ON MAN.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING FRITZ PARK ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILER.
AND THIS HAS BECOME OUR OFFICES.
YOU SHOULD SEE THE EASTER HUNT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE BUNNY AND ALL THE EGGS.
WE, I NEED TO PUT A CIRCULAR TABLE UP IN THERE AND BE LIKE, SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO OPTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER.
OPTION ONE IS JUST FOR OFFICES IN STORAGE.
THIS WILL BE ABLE TO GET OUR EQUIPMENT INSIDE.
CURRENTLY IT'S OUTSIDE, UH, ABLE TO GET OUR MOWERS, OUR TRACTOR STUFF THAT'S JUST SITTING OUTSIDE IN THE ELEMENTS.
GETTING OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS, GETTING IT INSIDE.
IT'S A CENTRAL HUB FOR OUR STAFF.
IT GIVES THE PROPER BREAK ROOM.
UH, IT COULD BE OUR GUEST INFORMATION CENTER.
UH, IT COULD BE USED FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, SITE OPERATIONS AS NEEDED.
WE'D HAVE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND KEY CODE ACCESS AND LONG TERM IT WOULD MEET OUR STAFFING NEEDS.
THIS IS KINDA WHERE WE SEE OUR STAFFING GOING OUT LONG TERM.
I, HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS NOT BY ANY MEANS DESIGN.
THIS IS JUST SO YOU CAN KINDA HAVE SOME VISUALS TO GO ALONG.
AND I TOOK THE METAL BUILDING CONCEPT AND WENT WITH IT.
OKAY? BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU CAN BUY BULK FOR PRETTY CHEAP.
UH, OPTION TWO IS EVERYTHING ON OPTION ONE PLUS 200, NOT 200, 2000 SQUARE FEET OF LARGE COMMUTING ROOM.
SO THIS IS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PUBLIC MEETING SPACE, EVENING AND WEEKEND ACCESS, YEAR-ROUND RENTALS, RECREATION PROGRAM SPACE, RESTROOM IN KITCHEN.
AND IT ACCOMMODATE UP TO GROUPS ABOUT 130.
UM, SO THIS IS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT ON OPTION TWO.
SO IF WE RENT IT 600 RENTALS A YEAR, 600 RENTAL HOURS PER YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 12 PER WEEK.
OKAY? AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR, WE'D TAKE IT.
IT WOULD COST US 12 TO 20 YEARS TO PAY FOR IT.
IT COST WOULD TAKE US EIGHT TO 13, 200 WOULD SIX TO 10.
AND THEN, UH, TWO 50 WOULD BE FIVE TO EIGHT.
AND SO SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES AROUND HERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER RENTAL OPTIONS HERE, UM, WOULD BE, UH, GARY PARK HAS SIMILAR GUEST RATES RANGING 2,500 TO 4,500 FOR ABOUT 125 PEOPLE.
UM, ONE 11 EAST HAS SIMILAR RATES.
LONG OAK BARN IS, OR 250 GUESTS IS $5,000 FOR THE ROB HOUSE FOR FOUR HOURS.
IT'S $950 OR 12 HOURS IS 1800.
AND SO WHAT WE NEED DIRECTION ON IS ONE, IF I KNOW THIS IS QUICK
UM, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANNA SEE IN A FUTURE BUDGET CONSIDERATION? KEEP THE EXISTING TRAILER AND MAYBE TRY TO FIND SOME NEW OFFICES FOR PARKS RECREATOR STAFF OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE MORE OPTIONS? UH, AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND PRESENT THIS AS A PART OF THE, UH, THE BOND PACKAGE, DECIDING ON OPTION ONE OR TWO AND MAYBE FINALIZING LOCATION AND MAYBE BRING BACK SOME PRICING.
AND THE TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT ARE OBVIOUSLY FRITZ PARK AND THEN THE LIBERTY AND EAST PROPERTY, NEW PROPERTY, UH, WHAT'S CALLED DURANGO PARK.
AND I HAVE A MAP IF HE WANTS TO SEE THAT.
SO THAT WAS QUICK LIBERTY AND EAST, THAT'S LIBERTY CORNER.
POTENTIAL POTENTIAL IS EITHER FRITZ PARK OR LIBERTY EAST IS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF NARROWED DOWN IS PREFERRED LOCATIONS.
SO IF WE DID FRITZ, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE HIGH GROUND BY THE CHURCH, WE'D HAVE TO GET EITHER ENTER INTO
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SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH THE CHURCH BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY TO CUT THROUGH THERE TO ACCESS THE PARK OR CUT BACK, SORRY, ON THE BACKSIDE OF CREEKSIDE DRIVE AND DO THAT, WHICH WOULD THEN INTERRUPT ALL THE TRAILS.OR WE COULD LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ON, UH, LIBERTY EAST.
AND THE REASON WE'D BE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS BECAUSE WE'RE CURRENTLY OFFICE THAT PUBLIC WORKS.
AND SO IF WE NEED TO BRING A TRAILER TO, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, NORTH SIDE, WE GOTTA GO DOWN FRONT STREET OR 1 99.
SO WE GOTTA TURN RIGHT THERE, TRY TO GO STRAIGHT.
AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT COME ON THE NORTH SIDE KNOW THAT THAT INTERSECTION'S GETTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE BACKED UP AND PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING AS HESITANT TO LET BIG VEHICLES TURN.
SO NOW YOU HAVE TO TURN WITH A TRAILER TURN RIGHT, YOU GOTTA MESS WITH THE TRAIN, THE LIGHT AND ALL THE OTHER CARS.
IT'S EASIER FOR US TO GO FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE THAN GET IN LINE AND KIND OF MOVE BACK.
WELL, I THINK, UM, AT OUR C I P WORKSHOP THAT WE DID ON SATURDAY, WHENEVER THAT WAS, THE MAYOR ACTUALLY ADDED PARKS TO THE FACILITIES LIST, RIGHT? NOT FOR THIS YEAR.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FOR SURE, BUT STUDY, IF THEY DID OPTION TWO AND THEY DID IT AT THE DURANGO PARK, WE ALREADY HAVE $2 MILLION THAT CAN BE USED ON IT TO BUILD.
'CAUSE IT'D BE A COMMUNITY THING AND WE COULD USE SOME MONEY.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY YOU, YOU'VE BUILT THE OFFICES AND PAID FOR IT.
IT DIDN'T COST ANYBODY ANYTHING.
SO I MEAN, FOR SURE DEFINITELY MOVE FORWARD TOO.
THE, THE BONUSES THAT YOU GET.
SO YOU GET LIKE, IT'S JUST 2000 MORE SQUARE FEET, 2000 MORE SQUARE FEET.
YOU SAID IT'S A MEETING ROOM THAT'S KITCHEN.
UH, AND KEEP IN MIND, SO THE WHOLE BUILDING IS ONLY 5,000 SQUARE FEET PROJECTED.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE A MASSIVE YEAH.
WE'RE JUST TALKING SOMETHING THAT CAN MEET OUR NEEDS AS WELL AS SERVE A NICHE THAT WE FEEL IN THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY OR THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AS FAR AS INDOOR MEETING SPACE.
SO THE EXTRA THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WOULD HELP Y'ALL OUT AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE 2000 SQUARE FEET YEAH.
WELL, WELL YOU'RE CURRENTLY IN 2000 OR 1900, RIGHT? YES.
SO YOU'RE ADDING LIKE 1100 FOR YOUR EQUIPMENT MM-HMM.
WE GOT THREE MINUTES, BUT IF WE COULD JUST EMAIL JEFF OR JAMES IDEAS OR THINGS WE WANT ON THIS.
UM, I MEAN IF WE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO, IT'S AT THE PIT, WHATEVER, IF WE GET THAT, UH, DURING 6:57 PM THANK YOU.
I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE DURANGO.