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WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, 2023[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
TO ORDER.[3.1. Discussion and recommendations on revising Council Protocols, including discussion on Parliamentary Procedure (Councilmember Gordon) ]
HERE.DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON REVISING COUNCIL PROTOCOLS INCLUDING DISCUSSION OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
UH, SO THIS IS AN ITEM THAT I HAD ASKED FOR SOME TIME AGO.
UM, AND I, WHAT I DID WAS I SENT SOME PROPOSED EDITS TO DOTTIE.
SHE HAD ALREADY STARTED ON SOME OF THEM.
UM, BUT I SENT HER A NUMBER OF, UM, ADDITIONAL EDITS IN THERE.
UM, JUST AS A STARTING POINT TO KIND OF START A DISCUSSION, I TRIED TO CAPTURE, UH, SOME THINGS LIKE, UM, JUST HOW WE'RE OPERATING TODAY, UM, VERSUS HOW WE WERE OPERATING THE PAST.
UM, SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE JUST SIMPLIFYING IT, LIKE SAYING SPUR THE CHART RATHER THAN SPELLING IT OUT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT.
UM, ON LITTLE SECTION BY SECTION, IF THERE'S OTHER EDITS THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT I DIDN'T IDENTIFY.
BUT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WAS UPDATED? IN 22, RIGHT? LIKE MAY OF 22, MAY 19TH, 1902 IS WHEN WE ADOPTED IT.
WAIT, WHEN? MAY, MAY 19TH ACCORDING TO THE MAY 19TH OF 22.
BUT IT WAS FROM 19 MAY, 2022 IS WHEN IT WAS UPDATED.
WE, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT ON THIS.
THAT'S WE HAD, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TIMEFRAME.
SO THEN WE JUST DID AWAY OF THEM COMPLETELY.
THEN WE BROUGHT 'EM BACK IN 22.
YEAH, THEY WERE COMPLETELY REPEALED FOR FAIR PART YEAR.
WELL, BECAUSE YOUR STATE WALLS SO YOU FOLLOW THEY JUST WEREN.
SO IS THERE ANY CHANGES TO SECTION ONE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED OR DISCUSSION POINTS? WHAT THE REMOVAL OF ITEM 12 IS? JUST BECAUSE IT'S A DUPLICATE OF YEAH.
AND THEN I CHANGED 11 TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
'CAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S REALLY MATT THAT THOSE NOW THERE HE IS UH, YOU SAY CITY MANAGER DESIGNATED? YEAH.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT MAY, YOU KNOW.
SO ANY OTHER SUGGESTED CHANGES TO SECTION ONE? UM, ONE.
SO WAS THERE A CITY MANAGER DESIGNATE SOMEWHERE ON PAGE? HE SAID THAT HE USED CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
HE SUGGESTED TO CHANGE THAT INSTEAD OF JUST SAY CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO SAY CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE, UH, E WAS JUST A SIMPLIFICATION.
UM, I ADD IN THERE WE HAVE DISCUSSED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SHARING THE POTENTIAL NOMINEES WITH THE FULL COUNCIL AHEAD OF THE MEETING RATHER THAN JUST SAYING HERE'S WHO IT IS.
UM, AND SO I PUT THAT IN THE PROTOCOL.
HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE, AND WE STILL NEED A BETTER PROCESS ON GETTING THOSE APPLICATIONS OUT TO ALL OF US WHEN THEY COME IN.
HAS IT NOT BEEN APPLICATION? IS IT A FILLABLE FORM YET? NO.
HOW CAN WE GET THAT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DEAL HAPPEN WHEN WE WERE GONNA DO A FILLABLE FORM FOR, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WELL, THE FILLABLE FORM I THOUGHT WAS CREATED.
THE, IT WAS, BUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS, WAS MOVING THIS INTO THE SOFTWARE WE'RE ROLLING OUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING FOR JOBS.
SO EVENTUALLY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING AND I THINK WE'RE ON, WELL KATE'S NOT IN HERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON, UH, SCHEDULE FOR THE FIRST PEOPLE TO START GETTING TRAINED ON THAT IN NOVEMBER.
AND THEN WE'LL START SEEING IT, YOU KNOW, WORKED INTO OUR FLOWS IN DECEMBER, BUT PROBABLY YOU GUYS WOULD START SEEING IT JANUARY, FEBRUARY-ISH TIMEFRAME I WOULD THINK.
AND NUMBER THREE, UM, I DID ADD THAT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE IN DROPBOX OR WHATEVER DOCUMENT STORAGE LOCATION WE USE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE HAPPENING.
SO WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN, IT SHOULD GO INTO OUR DROPBOX
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AND THEN WE SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THEM, THE WHOLE COUNCIL.AND THEN THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WOULD THEN DO THEIR THING INTERVIEW.
AND THEN WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED AS THE REST OF THE OTHER FOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WOULD BE NOTIFIED AHEAD OF THE MEETING.
THAT HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE LIST OF NOMINEES THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN THE MEETING.
WHO SENT THAT EMAIL? CITY SECRETARY.
IT SAYS CITY SECRETARY, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE.
ANY OTHER CHANGES FOR SECTION ONE, SECTION TWO? WELL THIS ONE, UM, MANAGER, WE COULD A SIMILAR WORDING THERE.
I'D PUT CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
YEAH, THAT'S USUALLY THE TYPICAL CATCHALL THAT WAY.
AND THEN IT DID LIST OUT THE CITY SECRETARY AND DEPARTMENT OF DIRECTORS NEEDED TO BE THERE.
I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS HAPPENING.
SO I TOOK THAT OUT AND JUST SAID I THINK ANY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ARE DESIGNATED BY THE FACTOR FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UM, PARAGRAPH READ THIS IS, IT IS NOT IN HERE ANYTHING HERE, BUT I THINK THE, YOU SHOULD CREATE A FILLABLE AGENDA ITEM FORM THAT WE CAN FILL OUT.
SUBMIT THAT LIKE A COMMENT DOCUMENT.
OH, LIKE WHEN WE HAVE IT AN ITEM WE WANT TO ADD.
I'VE RECEIVED FROM STAFF, LIKE THE BLANK WORD DOCUMENT THAT I'VE FILLED IN.
THEY'VE SENT ME JUST THAT PAGE THAT'S BLANK AND THEN I'LL FILLED IT IN, SENT THAT, THAT IS KIND OF HAPPENING.
AND I ADD IN THERE OUR PRACTICE OF MAKING THE PACKET AVAILABLE ON FRIDAY DRAFT PACKET SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT.
SO I JUST ADDED THAT IN THERE SETTING THAT WE GOT MONDAY.
SEE UNDER WORK SESSIONS, I JUST WANNA FIND IT BASED ON OUR CURRENT PRACTICE.
PM ON THURSDAYS OF THE MEETINGS, YOU MEAN TO SAY BE HELD AT OTHER STAYS IN TIMES? YOU MEAN DAYS.
BUNCH OF CHANGES UNDER THE COMMENT SECTION.
SO ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION, IT'S NOT A CHANGE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BY RULE, BUT WE ARE NOT ENFORCING IT AT ALL.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT NON AGENDA ITEMS, THEY'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AND YOU CANNOT GET SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE YOU THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES OR THREE UP TO NINE.
THAT'S ONLY FOR MAKING A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT TO THE ITEM.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHERIFF YOU CAN PLEASE ENFORCE THAT AND LET IT BE KNOWN IN THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS AND IT'S, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO LET 'EM GO.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY JUST HAVE NO CLUE.
WHEN THEY FILL OUT THE FORM IT SAYS IT, BUT OH, OKAY.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER, WE'VE ALLOWED THIS ADDING A YIELDING TIME.
WE CAN, BUT ONLY IF IT'S THERE TALKING ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, I, I KNOW YOU SAY WHAT THE RULES AND RULES ARE AND AREN'T, BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT STATE LAW FOR THAT.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT STATE LAW DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN AN AGENDA ITEM.
YOU CAN YIELD TIME AND A NON AGENDA ITEM.
YOU CAN YIELD TIME OR IF IT'S EVEN ADDRESSED, IT'S NOT ADDRESSED.
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THERE'S A HOME RULE CHARGE BECAUSE ABLE TO MAKE OUR OWN RULES.BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE IS A RULE.
IT'S ALREADY IN OUR POLICY NOW.
IT SAYS YOU, IT SAYS THREE MINUTES ONLY UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT NON AGENDA ITEMS. OH YEAH.
AND THEN ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS. IT TALKS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO YIELD A TOTAL TO NINE MINUTES.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD DIFFERENTIATED.
I FIGURED IT WAS FOR EITHER OR.
I DID TELL START UP A MEETING WITH THREE MINUTES, BUT HISTORICALLY BEFORE, JUST LET PEOPLE CALL OVER THREE MINUTES.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU NOW YOU GUYS CAN REPRIMAND ME.
I'M NOT GONNA STOP SOMEBODY AT THREE MINUTES BECAUSE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO TALK AND GET SOMETHING OFF THEIR CHEST, THEN I'M NOT GONNA BE THE PERSON.
YOU'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SAY, HEY, IT'S THREE MINUTES.
BUT THAT SHOULD NOT GONNA COME FROM ME.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO ON FOR LIKE 6, 7, 8 MINUTES, BUT I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU I'M NOT GONNA STOP 'EM.
BUT I'M SAYING IF PEOPLE AREN'T KNOW COGNIZANTLY, THEY CAN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY GET NINE BY TWO OTHER PEOPLE.
IT'S ENOUGH IF EVERY MEETING TELLING EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES AT GREEN, 30 SECONDS AT YELLOW TIME'S UP AT RED AND I WATCH PEOPLE LOOK AT THE RED AND THEY KEEP TALKING AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHATEVER WE YOU WANT ME TO SAY, I'M HAPPY TO SAY IT.
EXCEPT FOR I'M NOT GONNA TELL SOMEONE BANG, BANG, BANG.
HEY, YOU NEED TO STOP TALKING.
I KNOW IT'S A, IT IS A FINE EDGE SWORD.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE REALITY AND STUFF.
SO I, MY OPINION IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T HOLD EVERYONE TO THE SAME STANDARD, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AT HOME, THEY PRACTICE, THEY TIME THEMSELVES.
I MEAN, MAYBE YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIKE, THEY, THEY REALLY DO THEIR BEST TO STAY WITHIN THE THREE MINUTES AND OTHER PEOPLE DON'T.
AND I THINK WHAT NOW WE'VE STARTED TO SEE IS A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE JUST, I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA GET STOPPED, SO I'M GONNA GO AS LONG AS I WANT.
AND TO ME, IT IT, IT IS NOT FAIR.
IT'S NOT EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA ADHERE TO THAT.
AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GONNA THUMB THEIR NOSE THAT THE REAL WOUND SAY, WELL, I I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA GET STOPPED, SO I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING.
SO THEY USED TO CUT 'EM OFF AND IF YOU REMEMBER CRYSTAL USED TO SAY, LET 'EM LET 'EM FINISH.
AND SO THEN I'M LIKE, IF I'M NOT GONNA HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL AND CUT SOMEBODY OFF IN THREE MINUTES, THEN I QUICKLY LEARN.
I CUT 'EM OFF AND THEN A COUNSELOR SAYS, WELL LET 'EM FINISH.
SO I'M JUST THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
THAT'S I'M SAYING IF WE ADOPT A POLICY, IT NEEDS TO BE THAT, AND THEN IT'S LIKE YOU BACK EACH OTHER UP.
'CAUSE I, I THINK IT NEEDS YOU TO
BUT THEN I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU'LL GO OUT ON FACEBOOK AND SAY, WELL I WANTED YOU TO TALK AND THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU, WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I GUESS YOU JUST WON'T FIX IT THEN.
I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK IF WE DO THE THREE MINUTES AND WE MAKE IT LIKE KIND OF CLEAR AND BECAUSE ALSO A PROFESSIONAL THING TO DO IT IS, IT'S JUST TO MAINTAIN ORDER AND UH, MAINTAIN LIKE TIME, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
AND JUST LIKE YOU OWNING THE CHAIR'S POSITION, RIGHT.
I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO JUST BE LIKE THREE MINUTES AND, AND THEN, AND THEN THEN FOLLOW THIS.
SO WE ALL SEVEN OF US CAN GO TO THE PEOPLE 'CAUSE THERE'S NO STRANGERS THAT COME UP HERE AND TALK.
WE CAN ALL SAY, HEY, IT'S KIND OF THREE MINUTES.
LIKE, WE'RE GONNA
SO I, AND I AGREE IT'S A PROFESSIONAL THING.
I'VE BEEN BURNED BEFORE DOING IT.
BUT IF WE AS A COUNCIL WANT TO GO TO THREE MINUTES, THEN WE AS A COUNCIL CAN JUST SAY IT UP THERE OR SAY IT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WHEN WE'RE PREPPING EVERYBODY, WE CAN ALL SAY, HEY LOOK, IF YOU CAN JUST CUT IT MAYBE THREE AND A HALF MINUTES OR TRY TO SQUEEZE IT IN OR TIME YOURSELF BEFORE, UH, OR ARRANGE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO GIVE 'EM
I, AND I WOULD BE WILLING SAY, WELL, I'D SAY I'D BE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE STRICT ABOUT THE THREE MINUTES, THEN I WOULD SAY WE ALLOW, EVEN IF IT'S NON-AG AGENDA ITEM, IF THEY HAVE ACTUALLY PEOPLE SIGNED AND SAY, I'M YIELDING AHEAD OF TIME THIS THREE MINUTES AND THIS THREE MINUTES, THEY COULD GET UP TO NINE MINUTES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE EVEN LEGAL WHAT WE SAY HERE.
BECAUSE LEGALLY FROM, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO FILL ANYTHING OUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF COUNCILS MEETINGS WHERE THEY JUST GO, DOES ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK? PEOPLE RAISE THEIR HANDS.
THEY WALK UP AND THEY START TALKING HERE, WE'RE MAKING 'EM FILL OUT FORMS. WE'RE MAKING 'EM PUT THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING 'EM DO THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
THE, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS REASONABLE RULES.
SO IF YOU ADOPT A FORM THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT, IT'S JUST GOTTA BE REASONABLE ENOUGH.
NOTICE IF YOU LET SOMEBODY, UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK AND THEN YOU LET 'EM FILL OUT THE FORM AFTER CA COUNCILS DO DO THAT.
WE'VE GOT F BOMBS GETTING DROPPED REGULARLY
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NOW AND MM-HMM.THEN I'M GETTING EMAILS TELL PEOPLE TO STOP OR GET THE POLICE INVOLVED.
AND I'M LIKE, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA CALL THE COPS TO COME UP AND DRAG SOMEBODY OUT FOR DROP AN F-BOMB BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN ATTORNEY TELL US THEY HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THEM NOT TO DO IT.
BUT I KNOW THIS, IF I MAKE THAT MOVE, THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY AND GET PEOPLE JUST TO, WELL THAT'S WHY I SAY I THINK MAYBE WE JUST SAY IT'S ALWAYS THREE AND AND WE CHANGE THE FORM TO LET YOU ADD ON YOUR FORM WHO'S YIELDING THEIR TIME.
BECAUSE LIKE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA YIELD TIME.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK NINE MINUTES, YOU GET TWO MORE PEOPLE AND THEY ADD IT TO THEIR FORM, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT GOES TO YOU AND YOU GO, HEY, TWO PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY YIELDED YOUR TIME.
YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF NINE THAT THE WAY THE CITY SECRETARY KNOWS THAT ONE'S QUEUED UP FOR NINE MINUTES.
AND WE GO AND THEN ANGELA AND THEM DO A GOOD JOB.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, JUST TRYING TO ALWAYS DON'T.
'CAUSE I'LL CALL A NAME AND I'LL SAY I'M YELLING TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN FLIP THROUGH AND FIND ANOTHER PERSON.
I JUST WROTE THAT DOWN ACTUALLY.
AND SO I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE ROLLED THIS OUT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT AS THE NEW FORM OUT THERE, BUT THEN WE JUST START IF YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
GOING BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID, WHERE DO YOU GET THAT YOU CAN'T YIELD ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THE YIELDING TIME IS ONLY UNDER THE AGENDA OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT AGENDA.
THAT'S NOT LISTED AS A SECTION NUMBER.
IT'S A PARAGRAPH THAT HAS A HEADACHE.
SO YOU CAN SAY THAT ALL FOUR PARAGRAPHS UNDERNEATH THAT SEEM TO APPLY TO BOTH NON AGENDA AND AGENDA.
OTHERWISE THERE'S REALLY NOT MANY RULES FOR NON AGENDA.
IF ALL THOSE RULES SEEM TO APPLY BOTH TO ME.
I SEE WHAT WELL, OKAY, SO IT'S, IF YOU WANT TO APPLY TO ONLY ONE, THEN IT SHOULD BE IN THE PARAGRAPH.
WHICH IS WHY I JUST SAID, WELL WHY DO WE DO THE NINE BUT HAVE IT INDEPENDENT OF THOSE AND WE JUST, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ON YOUR FORM AHEAD OF TIME.
IT YIELD IT AND THEN YOU GET IT AND THEN WE, AND THEN ENFORCE WHATEVER IT IS SO THEY CAN GET FROM THREE TO NINE.
AND THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME FOR ANYBODY REASONABLY.
AND IF THEY CAN'T TAKE THE EFFORT TO GET ONE PERSON TO AGREE TO LET THEM SPEAK ON IT, I MEAN THEY GET THREE MINUTES.
UM, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT JUST ONE OTHER LINE TO PLAY YIELDED BY TIME.
AND THEY GIVE THOSE TWO PEOPLE, HOW DID WE DO THIS WHOLE THING? BECAUSE THEY OUTSIDE THE BILLY, I'M TAKING NOTES THERE.
IT'S GOT ILLEGAL STUFF IN THERE.
UM, SO YOU WEREN'T HERE THE NIGHT THAT THE THE F BOMB WAS DROPPED.
WE ASKED, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS HERE.
WHO WAS THAT GOT IT WAS HERE MARK BOYFRIEND.
AND SO WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAINTAIN DECORUM? AND HE SAID, NO, WE HAVE TO BE CURSE.
WE CAN ESTABLISH RULES OF DECORUM.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
SO THE STANDARD IN YOUR COMMUNITY IS THE FBO IS AN OBSCENE WORD.
YOU CAN MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, THAT THE UM, OBSCENE WORDS, YOU KNOW, SHALL NOT BE USED WHEN ADDRESSING IN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S, WE NEED TO ADD THAT INTO HERE THEN.
WELL IT'S ALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CASES, IT ALL TURNS ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS OBSCENITY IS.
SO APPARENTLY YOUR PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S
PEOPLE WERE PRETTY OPEN BEING PRESSED OUT.
WELL, MAYBE WE ALSO CHANGED THIS PUBLIC COMMENT.
A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THAT TO WHERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DONE.
OR WE CAN HAVE WHATEVER IT IS WE WANT.
AND THEN WE CAN START OFF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I CAN READ THAT THEN AND, AND PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.
DON'T ALWAYS HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN.
PUT IT ON THE SCREEN THAT WAY AND THAT WAY WE DO TELL SOMEONE IT'S LIKE, HEY, I ALREADY TOLD YOU IT'S WRITTEN DOWN AND IT'S ON THE SCREEN.
STILL WENT OVER THREE MINUTES OR YOU'RE CUSSING OR, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME CRAZY STUFF.
I'VE SEEN A GUY IN AN ALIEN SUIT COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME WEIRD STUFF AND EVERYBODY JUST LOOKED AT HIM.
HE GOT DONE AND HE WALKED AWAY AND THEY DIDN'T PAY ME ATTENTION.
SO I KNOW IT GETS OKAY, SO WE'RE KEEPING THE TWO EXTENSIONS FOR EVERYTHING.
THEN, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA ADD IT TO THE FORM TO, AND ADD IT TO THE FORM.
JUST FOR MY RECOLLECTION, THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NON-AG AGENDA ITEM AND AN AGENDA ITEM SPEAKING IS THAT WHEN THEY SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM, THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE INTERACTION WITH US.
THEY WAIT TO SPEAK DURING THE ITEM AND THEN WE CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
THEN TIME ISN'T UNLIMITED THEN TIME ISN'T LIMITED.
WE CAN EXTEND THE TIME IF CORRECT QUESTIONS.
CITIES ALWAYS HAVE OFTEN PUT NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS, PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING TOO.
AND THEN WE GOT, WE HAVE COUNCIL PROBLEMS AFTER THAT BECAUSE
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THE PARTICULAR CITY HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING UP AND BE AMAZING.YOU WANNA FIRST ME OUT? WAIT UNTIL THE VERY END, WAIT TILL MIDNIGHT.
WAIT, NON AGENDA ITEMS. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, MOVE IT UP.
I MEAN, IF YOU GET A BUNCH OF PEOPLE FILLING OUT A FORM ON A NON AGENDA ITEM AND YOU WANT THEM TO GO AHEAD AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MOVE IT UP.
OTHERWISE WHERE, WHERE DO WE HAVE THE RULE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO BE AHEAD OF AND THE AGENDA ITEM? SO IT'S RULE, IT'S CHARTER, CHARTER, CHARTER.
I KNOW IF I THINK WE PUT THAT IN THE CHARTER OR WE HAVE ACTION ON ANY ITEMS PUBLIC.
'CAUSE REMEMBER WE STARTED DOING, UH, A FEW YEARS TOGETHER.
WE DOING EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST.
AND THEN IT COME OUT LIKE AT NINE AND YEAH, PARAGRAPH TWO UNDER E AT EACH REGULAR MEETING, THE COUNCIL WILL SET ASIDE TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING TO AFFORD THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY.
I THINK THAT'S A CHARTER THING.
THAT WAS UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYBODY GOT PUT TO VOTE TO
I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE WANNA SAY OR WHATEVER.
I THINK IT'S JUST WE FLASH THE THING AND WE HAVE FOR GOING FOR THREE MINUTES.
IT'S ON THE FORM WE HAVE TO ADD IT.
I THINK THAT JUST KEEPS IT FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK NINE MINUTES IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME THEY GET THE EFFORT.
UM, DOTY LOOKS LIKE YOU ADDED THIS ABOUT SIGNS, RIGHT.
IT WILL BE PERMITTED AND IT GIVES SOME GUIDANCE IN THERE THAT THEY CAN'T DISRUPT OFF VIDEO.
I I LOOKED AT THE, CAN WE SPECIFY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE BACK THE LAST ROW.
THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING OTHER PEOPLE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
AND SO I WROTE A GENERAL RULE THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CASES THAT I READ.
SO IF THEY HAVE A LARGE SIGN YES.
OH, IT'S IN, IT CANNOT BLOCK EITHER THE VIDEO CAMERAS OR OTHER IN-PERSON ATTENDEES VIEWS.
SO IT'S, IT'S TOO LARGE TO BE SITTING THERE WITH LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SIGN.
THEY JUST SAT THERE AND THEY JUST HELD IT UP LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO IT DIDN'T, WASN'T OBSTRUCTING ANYTHING.
SO WHAT I DID WAS READ EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT A SIGN LIMIT SIZE FOR A LOCATION.
SO YOU'LL JUST GET CHALLENGED.
SO IN THE CHARTER THREE POINT 11 PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE ALLOWED AT ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS OF THE CITY OF HU AND SHALL BE HELD BEFORE ANY BUSINESSES CONDUCTED INCLUDING MOVING THE MEETING INTO EXECUTIVE.
BUT I ALSO WENT AND ADVISE THE, UH, CUT HIM OFF AT 30 MINUTES.
'CAUSE EVERY TIME JUDGE ELLE DOES THAT, IT JUST CREATES MORE CHAOS.
OH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID A FEW YEARS AGO.
IF YOU WANT US PUBLIC COMMENT, MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.
NOT, NOT, NOT ABOUT THAT SITUATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, YOU GET A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL STUFF GOING ON.
I I AM DEFINITELY NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT COMMENT.
SO APOLOGIZE FOR HOW MUCH BETTER I CAN BE
ACCLAMATIONS, I SUGGEST CHANGING IT FROM MUST TO SHOULD FOR HAVING A REPRESENTATIVE THERE.
PAPER FOR SOMEBODY THAT CLAIM ON BEING THERE AND THEN THEY COULD BE THERE AND THEN WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA READ THE ACCLAMATION.
SO I DIDN'T HEAR DOTIE MENTION IT, BUT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I DON'T THINK STATE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO RESTRICT THE COMMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS TO BEING AT PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING.
THEY CHOOSE TO WANT TO SPEAK DURING THE TIME OF THE ITEM.
I THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO.
IS THAT NOT IN THERE? DO WE NOT HAVE THAT WAY? THAT'S IT'S STILL IN THERE.
THEY MAY CHOOSE TO GIVE THEIR COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING DURING GENERAL PUBLIC, BUT NORMALLY POKED ON ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS. IT SAYS MEMBERS PUBLIC SIGN SPEAK ABOUT AGENDA.
I'M SHELBY
WHEN THE ITEM IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION, IT'S ALREADY, IT'S IN THERE.
WELL THAT, SO THE FIRST PARAGRAPH SAYS, I'M SKIPPING AHEAD, BUT IT SAYS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS OR ADDRESS A TOPIC THAT'S NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA OR ADDRESS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS MUST DO SO UNDER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AGENDA ITEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
OH, THAT'S WILL BE STRIKE THROUGH NOT UNDER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE IT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRIKE THROUGH.
THAT'S WHAT MY INTENTION WAS TO READ THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UNDER E IT BECAUSE IT SAYS WHEN YOU DO PUBLIC GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, IT HAS TO BE DONE AT THE FIRST OF
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THE MEETING.IF YOU DO IT UNDER, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS, YOU CAN EITHER DO IT AT THE FIRST CORRECT.
PREFER, OR YOU CAN DO IT DURING THE ITEM.
THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS WHERE IT SAYS, MEMBER SIGNING UP TO SPEAK SHALL BE RECOGNIZED BY THE PRESIDING OFFICER.
HAVE THREE MINUTES OF SPEAK REGARDING EACH AGENDA ITEM.
THEY HAVE SIGNED THAT FORWARD WHEN THE ITEM IS UP FOR CONSIDERATION.
ALTERNATIVELY, THEY MAY CHOOSE TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS ON SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM BEGINNING.
WELL IT'S JUST THAT ONE SENTENCE THAT YEAH.
AND IT'S A DIFFERENT RED COLOR.
SO, WELL THE WHITE RED IS MY
SO INSTEAD OF CAN WE DO SOME THINGS? MUST, MAY MAY DO SO.
WELL NO, BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE IT MAY, THEN WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING IS GENERAL COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA COULD BE AT ANY POINT.
SO WHERE'S THE MUST? THE MUST WOULD UNDER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO I THINK THAT STAYS THERE BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH MADE GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS OR JUST TARGETS NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
MUST DO SO UNDER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AGENDA ITEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
SO YOU STRIKE OUT THAT THING THEN, OR YOU COULD SAY OR ADDRESS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS. LIKE IF YOU MOVE THE OR ADDRESS AFTER THE MUST DO.
SO THE OR ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY GENERAL SHOULD BE NOT THERE, BUT IT COULD BE THERE.
BUT JUST PUT IT AFTER, PUT THE, OR AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
THAT WAY IT'S NOT MUST LIKE THEY, THEY COULD STILL DO THAT TOO UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THE REASON I LEFT IT MUST RIGHT, IS BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE PRACTICE AND NOW I I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO COME FIRST.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S ILLNESS THERE.
AND SO IF THEY WANNA SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THEY GO FIRST.
DO YOU WANT
AND THE FIRST PARAGRAPH JUST SAYS OR ADDRESS SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS THAT'S UNDERLYING.
IT SHOULD BE RED STRIKE SHOULD BE STRIKE THROUGH NOT RED ON, I MEANT TO DELETE THAT, SENT THAT PORTION.
SO IT SHOULD READ OR ADDRESS A TOPIC THAT IS NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA.
MUST DO SO UNDER THE PUBLIC AGENDA.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOTTA BE MUST.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
RIGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
BUT JUST GET RID OF THE SPECIFIC AGENDA LANGUAGE.
SO L UM, SO, UM, I WENT THROUGH SOME ROBERTS RULES ORDER, UM, TRAINING TEAM GAVE ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO.
UM, AND THE STANDARD PROCEDURE IS THAT YOU ANNOUNCE AN ITEM, RECEIVE THE REPORT, RECEIVE THE DETAIL FROM STAFF, THEN YOU MAKE MOTIONS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
YOU DON'T HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN MAKE MOTIONS AND THE REASONING.
AND THAT'S HOW ROBERT'S RULES BOARD IS ALSO WRITTEN.
AND THE REASONING GIVEN IN THAT TRAINING WAS BECAUSE IF YOU DISCUSSED BEFORE YOU MADE A MOTION, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING.
IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, IT SAYS I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR MAKE A MOTION TO MODIFY, THEN YOU THEN YOUR DISCUSSION IS AROUND THE ACTION YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING.
IF YOU JUST DISCUSS IN GENERAL, THEN YOU'RE JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.
THAT IS, WAS KIND OF WHAT THE, THE TRAINING IS SAYING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I REMOVED FOUR.
WHERE'D YOU GO TO THIS TRAINING? IT WAS ALL NIGHT.
IT WAS A, OH, IT WAS ALL NIGHT.
WELL, AND ANYBODY WENT TO ONE TOO.
THE PERSON THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING STAFF GIVES A PRESENTATION BEFORE WE DISCUSS ANYTHING.
SO HOW WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF MOTION TO GIVE? I MEAN, BECAUSE IF IT WAS, OR THE MOTION COULD FAIL TOO.
LET'S SAY YOU SAY MOTION TO APPROVE AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, MM.
AND THEN BOOM, WE DON'T EVEN, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION OFF OF THE PRESENTATION AND OFF OF THE, THE NOTES, THE DISCUSSION IS BASICALLY TO NOT SWAY THE WRONG WORD, BUT TO PUT YOUR OPINION OUT THERE, THERE.
BUT THE MOTION SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE BEFORE ANY DISCUSSION DISCUSSION IS HAD.
SO YOU HAVE IT, YOU RECEIVE IT FROM THE STAFF, THEY GIVE THE PRESENTATION, CITIZENS TALK, THE CITIZENS CAN TALK IF THEY WANT.
AND THEN SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION THAT SAYS, WELL, I I LIKE THIS, I APPROVE IT.
AND THEN IF THEY GET A SECOND, THEN,
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OR IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, RANDALL CAN SAY, WELL I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS AND HERE'S WHY.I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS.
WHY? HE MAKES A MOTION AND IT DOESN'T GET YEAH, IT DOESN'T GET, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO DISCUSS APPROVING IT SO HE CAN SAY, HERE'S WHY I SHOULDN'T APPROVE IT.
HERE'S WHY I'M NOT, I WAS GONNA SAY HE, LET'S SAY HE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
HE WOULD JUST, WELL WHY WOULDN'T YOU? HE WOULD JUST FAIL THE POSITIVE.
'CAUSE YOU WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO THEN YOU JUST MOVE ON IN THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
THERE'S ALREADY A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE.
YOU CAN'T SUBSEQUENTLY MAKE A MOTION TO DENY STAFF PRESENTS.
AND THEN YOU GO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
AND THEN IF HE GETS A SECOND, I DON'T MIND.
'CAUSE I'VE DONE, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL I DON'T KNOW.
UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY FIRST AND THEN YOU GET A SECOND.
I DON'T CARE HOW, I KNOW MOST CITIES DON'T DO IT THAT WAY.
MOST CITIES, THEY, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION AND THEN THEY GET DONE.
AND LIKE LAST NIGHT I WAS AT ONE, IT WAS VERY FORMAL.
THEY GO DOWN, DOWN THE LINE AND THEN WHEN THEY GET ALL DONE, THEN THEY GO, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THEN THEY ENTERTAIN IT.
BUT I JUST KNOW THAT IT SOMETIMES PUBLIC DOESN'T WANNA TALK UNTIL WE DISCUSS.
AND WE, WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT TOO.
BUT IT DOESN'T HOLD DISCUSSION.
IT JUST GIVES STRUCTURE AROUND THE DISCUSSION.
SO PUBLIC CAN COME IN AFTER THE INE PUBLIC WANTS TO HEAR US DISCUSS IT BEFORE THEY TALK.
THIS WON'T WORK BECAUSE WE'LL ALREADY HAVE A MOTION AND WE CAN'T HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT WE'RE DEBATING AND THEN ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COME IN.
'CAUSE ONCE WE GET DONE DEBATING THE MOTION, TAKE A VOTE.
THE ITEM'S DONE AND THEN WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WHY IT'S NOT DONE UNTIL YOU TAKE A VOTE.
'CAUSE THEN IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT, YOU CAN WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION.
YOU CAN HAVE BE LIKE, HEY, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WITHDRAW A MOTION.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WITHDRAW.
YOU CAN ALWAYS RECALL THE ITEM.
SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE A REAL WORD.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A DISCUSSION.
WE THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS.
THERE'S A RESTAURANT THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
I SAID, I I THINK WE SHOULD DENY THIS.
WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THEIR CHICKEN.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SMOKE.
AND I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, I I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD VOTE IT DOWN.
AND, AND EVERYONE ELSE SAYS THEIR PIECE AND I SAY, HERE'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD DENY IT.
AND YOU SAY, HERE'S WHY I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DENY IT.
AND THEN YOU TAKE, AND THEN YOU TAKE THE VOTE.
YOU CAN ALSO SAY, WELL THERE'S PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO TALK ON THIS PUBLIC.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? AND THEN THEY CAN GIVE THEIR OPINION.
BUT I WOULD ALREADY SAY THE PUBLIC SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THEIR OPINION REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY.
WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE REPORT FROM STAFF, THEY READ WHAT IS BEING DONE.
THEY WOULD COME UP AND SAY, I DON'T WANT POLO LOKO OR YES, I DO WANT IT INDEPENDENT OF WHAT COUNCIL SAYS.
YOU SHOULDN'T BE SWAYED BY THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP.
YOU REPRESENT THE TOWN AND YOU HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE OF THE WHOLE THING.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR VERBAL COMMENT.
IT'S EVEN AND THEY DO BEFORE, AFTER THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I ALWAYS THINK IT SHOULD BE AFTER SO THAT THEY, THAT MAY ANSWER OUR QUESTION.
SO YOU MAY GET PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A COMMENT 'CAUSE THEY GOT IT ANSWERED BY THE STAFF REPORT.
THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN MANY, MANY TIMES ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE HANDLE 'EM.
CAN YOU HAVE A MOTION BE DISCUSSED IN A MOTION AND THEN ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO THEN SPEAK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO.
WELL, ONCE YOU HAVE A MOTION, YOU SHOULD ASK FOR A SECOND.
INSTEAD YOU START DISCUSSING, CAN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC THEN COME IN AND START TALKING? USUALLY BY THEN WE'RE WE'RE DELIBERATING AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE'RE DONE BEFORE YOU.
BUT CAN YOU BRING THE PUBLIC IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC FILL OUT THE FORM WHEN THEY WANNA SPEAK ON IT, YOU SHOULD ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE ITEM IF THEY WANNA SPEAK.
AND SOME OF THEM WILL STAND UP AND SAY, I WANNA SPEAK AFTER DISCUSSION.
SO, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THEN WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, MR. X OR THIS X YOU COME UP AND SAY WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY AFTER YOU HEARD OUR STUFF.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN WE START DISCUSSING BEFORE THERE'S A MOTION, WE'RE WE'RE MAKING OUR CASE FOR OR AGAINST THE ITEM A.
WE'RE JUST, YEAH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY MAKING OUR CASE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED BE A YES OR A NO.
AND SO, YEAH, I, I, I MEAN AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE DID IT.
I THOUGHT IT WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE BUDGET WHERE WE MADE AN IMMEDIATE MOTION OF PROOF AND THEN WE STARTED SAYING, WELL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AND I THINK I WANNA MAKE A MODIFICATION.
I WANT TO, AND THEN WE STARTED MAKING, YOU KNOW, YEAH WE
BUT THE FIRST ONE WE MADE A MOTION AND THEN WE DISCUSSED, WE DID A MOTION TO CUT OR A MOTION TO ADD TO THE BUDGET.
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THEN WE STARTED DISCUSSING THAT.AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THAT.
I'M READING THROUGH THE FORMAT WITH THE CHANGES AND IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE AS YOU READ THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW STRICT YOU WANNA BE ON THIS, BUT WHENEVER SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE SECOND, BUT THEN SOMEONE'S LIKE, LIKE SAY RANDALL.
HE'LL BE LIKE, I'M GLAD I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
TECHNICALLY BECAUSE HE HAS SPOKEN SINCE YOU SPEAK.
SO YOU GOT, THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS LIKE, SO WE GOT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS.
AND THEN I THOUGHT ONE OF US HAD TRAINING AND IT WAS NO, 'CAUSE IT USED TO BE YOU, YOU COUGHED.
REMEMBER WHEN
BUT YEAH, YOU'RE LIKE, JUST WANNA TALK TO YOU GUYS.
SO SOME REASON, SOME FOR SOME REASON WE CHANGED THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE WERE TOLD NO, NO, NO, NO, YOU GOTTA ACTUALLY GET A SECOND.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, SO CAN I SAY A SECOND FOR CONVERSATION? YEAH, EXACTLY.
HE'S ALWAYS LIKE, I'LL BE THE SECOND JUST FOR GOOD.
CAUSE WHAT DEFINES A SECOND BY LAW LEE MAKES A MOTION AND SAY I SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO IF YOU DON'T, YOUR SECOND IS ALWAYS YEAH, WHAT THE, BUT IF YOU SAY, I HAVE A QUESTION, IS THAT A SECOND? AND THE THE, THE CHAIR SHOULD SAY, THERE'S NO SECOND YET.
IF YOU WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION, THERE'S GOTTA BE A SECOND.
AND THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, THEN THE MOTION DIES AND THEN THE PERSON CAN SAY, ALRIGHT, WELL NOW I HAVE A QUESTION.
OR, OR IF THEY MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT MOTION, THEY MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION AND SAY HERE'S I WILL SECOND.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ASK, THEY CAN'T ASK A QUESTION.
THEY CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS THAT'D NEED TO MAKE.
THEN THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR MOTION THAT THEY PROBABLY WERE TRYING TO GET TO FOR THE DISCUSSION AND THEN MAYBE GET A SECOND.
SO I THINK WE JUST FOLLOW THIS PROCESS.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE CLUNK IN THE BEGINNING, BUT I THINK AS WE GET BETTER AT IT, IT'LL GO SMOOTHER.
HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SECOND? BECAUSE I THINK AS THE MEETINGS GO LONGER IN THE NIGHT, THAT MOMENT TO GET A SECOND BECOME, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY FAULT OF YOURS, BUT IT JUST BECOMES SHORTER AND SHORTER TO GET A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? NO, THAT MOTION DIES AND IT JUST GETS PROGRESSIVELY SHORTER AS THE NIGHT GOES ON.
AND SO HOW LONG DO WE HAVE DOTTIE TO GIVE A SECOND? FIVE SECONDS.
IS IT 10 SECONDS? ROBERT
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY, CAN I MAKE AND WILL YOU ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT TO A MOTION AND FOR FRIENDLY AND BUT MAKER OF A MOTION HAS THE OPTION TO SAY NO OR YES.
AND THEN IF THEY MADE IT FRIENDLY, THEN YOU COULD THEN SAY, I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE ONLY HAD A COUPLE OF MOTIONS DIE.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT.
AND THE FRIENDLY FROM THE, THE TRAINING WE WENT TO, IT ALSO SAID THE FRIENDLY CANNOT CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MOTION.
THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.
WELL THE WHOLE MOTION AND ANY AMENDMENTS HAVE TO PERTAIN TO WHAT'S POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE SUBSTANTIVE MATTER PUT A TIME FOR TALKING THAT'S NOT IN THERE.
LIKE YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME NUMBER AND THEN WE ASK TO EXTEND DEBATE.
'CAUSE SOME SOMETIMES YOU GO, PEOPLE GO SO LONG AND I I'M GUILTY OF IT TOO.
WE GO SO LONG THAT YOU ALMOST FORGET WHAT YOU WERE GONNA SAY FOR YOURS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO LONG BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN TALK FOR ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, AND IT'S, IT'D BE ME IF WE DID THREE MINUTES TO LET PEOPLE TALK AGAIN.
BUT IF WE DID THREE MINUTES, THEN IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF WE, I DON'T WANT US TO GET AN ISSUE WHERE WE'RE MONOLOGUING.
I'M NOT, I'M THROWING MYSELF UNDER THE BUS.
I I KNOW I DO IT TOO AND I NEED TO GET BETTER AT THAT.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LIKE, I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY HERE IS EQUALLY ELECTED WHERE ALL E HAVE AN EQUAL VOTE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE TO SAY AND NOT HAVE TO SUCK UP A VACUUM AND WAIT AND THEN YOU FORGET WHAT YOU ARE.
ESPECIALLY AS WE GO LATER IN THE NIGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE IRRITATED SOMETIMES.
IT CAN'T BE THREE MINUTES AND I WANT MORE TIME AND PEOPLE NO, I AGREE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAUSE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT.
WHAT IS IT? EVERY, EVERYBODY TALK FOR THREE MINUTES, ONE ROUND.
YOU CAN'T EXTEND AND THEN SAY YOU CAN ONLY DO LIKE A MINUTE ON THE SECOND ROUND.
WELL NO, IT'S JUST, IT IS TWO.
BUT IF YOU ONLY GET TALK ONCE AND IT IS SUPPOSED TO ROTATE WHO THE PERSON THAT STARTS THE CONVERSATION.
SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME PERSON.
I THE ONE THAT'S TURN INTO CONGRESS WHERE IT'S, I'D LIKE TO RESERVE 25 SECONDS.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE PAYMENT TIME 28 SECONDS AND, AND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S KEEPING TRACK OF IT, BUT OH NO, IF YOU DON'T UTILIZE YOUR TIME IS GONE.
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GOT LIKE FOUR MINUTES.I JUST DID SOME MORE CLARIFICATION I THINK THAN ANYTHING ON THE DIGITAL MEDIA USE.
I PROPOSED TO SOFTEN IT INSTEAD PROHIBITED, DISCOURAGED BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I THEN I QUICK EMAIL TO, TO ANNE OR SOMETHING.
I GOT A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THIS THING OR I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I I JUST, OR WE GET, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
IT, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE THERE, BUT WE, WE CAN LEAVE IT I THINK.
LET'S BE HONEST, WE'RE ALL CONNECTED TO OUR DEVICES.
YOU ALSO HAVE A LAPTOP IN FRONT OF FACEBOOK, BUT YOU HAVE A LAPTOP IN FRONT OF YOU TOO.
SO I MEAN I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE CHECKED, MY SON TEXTED ME NONSTOP.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE HIM OVER, I WILL GO LAST.
SO DOTIE, THIS IS YOUR AD UNDER N IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S THE DARK RED ONE, INCLUDING ABOUT LIMITED TWO.
BULLYING, CYBERBULLYING HARASSMENT, SEXUAL HARASS ASSAULT.
IS THAT YOU OR IS THAT I THINK THAT WE, WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY, WE ADDED THAT, UH, IT IS A RESOLUTION FOR THAT.
OKAY, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS.
THE ONLY THING I HAD IS ON, ON, ON UH, DISCIPLINE THINGS.
MY ONLY THING IS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE TEMPORARY MOVE FROM COMMITTEE LIAISON CHAIRMANSHIP ASSIGNMENTS BECAUSE A COMMITTEE MAY NEVER MEET A LIAISON.
THAT, THAT APPLIES TO, BUT IT SHOULD BE ALL THREE EQUALLY ACROSS.
WHERE'S THIS ONE? WHAT PARAGRAPH? HOLD ON NUMBER THREE.
NOT AFTER I'VE BEEN WROTE MAYOR OR DOING NOTHING.
SO THEN YOU GUYS ARE GOING AGAINST A CHARTER WITH THAT ONE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT MAY NOT EVEN BE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS A CHARTER ABILITY, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, WE HAVE C LIAISON.
LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EVEN POSSIBLE BY THAT.
THE CHARTER SAYS THE MAYOR CHAIRS THE MEETING YOU, YOU WOULD, UH, REMOVE THE MAYOR AS THE CHAIR OF YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
TEMPORARY IS A PENALTY BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TEETH IN ANYTHING AND IT STILL HAS TO BE A SUPER MAJORITY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT FIVE AND I THINK SUPER MAJORITY SHOULD APPLY TO ALL.
WELL I GUESS PRIVATE SENSOR WOULDN'T, BUT THREE AND FOUR SHOULD REQUIRE, OH, THEY DO SAY
I DIDN'T SAY MUST IT'S SHALL SHALL.
SO THAT HE HAS TO OH SHALL IS SAVAGE.
MUST UNLESS, SHALL, SHALL IS MANDATORY.
UM, THE OTHER EDITS I DID WERE UNDER COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT MEDIA RELATIONS.
UM, SO I SUGGESTED MODIFICATIONS TO BE THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH THERE.
UM, IT SAYS 21, UH, REALLY IN, AND MY INTENTION WITH THIS ONE IS TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT TO A LOT MORE CONSISTENCY WITH, UM, OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE CITY.
UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL HAS A, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF A SAY IN MAKING STATEMENTS, UM, ON OFFICIAL CITY POSITIONS.
BUT WE MAKE INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS ALL THE TIME.
UH, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE CAN STOP.
UM, BUT WHEN WE ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY, I I I, I THINK I NEED SUSAN
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THIS BECAUSE TO BE A, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, TO BE APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU WOULD NEED AN AGENDA ITEM.
THEN WE'D HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR MEDIA ITEM IS GOING TO SAY AND THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THAT MEDIA ITEM AND THEN WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT.
AND BY THEN WE'VE JUST DONE, THERE'S NO SENSE EVEN HAVING THE MEDIA ITEM BECAUSE IT'LL BE TWO WEEKS OLD AND IT'LL BE DEBATED IN PUBLIC.
NO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY, AS LONG AS IT'S GONE THROUGH THE CITY COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WITH THE JOINT OR SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE, OR APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT.
IT WOULD STILL BE CONSULTED WITH COMMUNICATIONS.
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THAT'S FINE.SO WHAT I WANT TO THINK IS, WHEN WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER, WHEN WE SAY ABOUT A DISCLAIMER, I THINK THE DISCLAIMER COULD BE AS A LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A SIGNATURE OF YOUR POST, NOT JUST SOMEWHERE BURIED ON YOUR WEBSITE.
LIKE ON PAGE, LIKE EVEN MINE, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF LIKE THE FACEBOOK THING.
YOU HAVE THIS LIKE GENERIC DISCLOSURE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A SIGNATURE ON YOUR POST.
SO I'M WONDERING SHOULD IT BE A SIGNATURE FOR ANY, ANY POST THE SIGNATURE? OH, THIS DISCLAIMER ONE.
WHERE IT SAYS THIS IS
AND WHAT THAT EXACT LIKE 20 CHARACTER LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
MAYBE YOU COULD CREATE IT FOR US.
THAT WAY THERE'S NOT ANY, UM, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FACEBOOK HAS THAT ABILITY, WELL, YOU'RE REQUIRED ON YOUR, ON YOUR CAMPAIGN PAGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DISCLOSURE THING AT THE BOTTOM IS A WELL, BUT YOU'RE SAYING POST BY POST.
I MEAN THAT MAY NOT APPLY ON EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM.
BUT IN, IF YOU'RE TYPING IN A TEXT, YOU COULD STILL PASTE THAT AS PART AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR POST.
WHAT IF YOU'RE POSTING A VIDEO? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, THERE'S
THEY'RE GONNA SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF MY STATEMENT.
LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA SAY, MAYOR, THIS IS MISINFORMATION.
YOU'RE LYING TO THE PUBLIC ASTERISK.
THIS STATEMENT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE CITY OR CITY COUNCIL.
THEY'RE SOLELY, AND I'M SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS STATEMENT.
I DON'T THINK HE'S SAYING COMMENTS ON WELL, STATEMENTS, POSTS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHEN I MAKE A POST, WHEN I, WHEN I POST SOMETHING ABOUT THE CIP AND I SAY, HEY, HERE'S ALL THE CIP PROJECTS THROWN OUT.
I'M EXCITED FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT POST, IT WOULD SAY WHAT HE'S SAYING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POST, IT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE ARE MY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NECESSARILY, THIS IS MY PERCEPTION, T FACTS POSITION OF CITY, THE CITY OF CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY I SAID THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD WRITE WHATEVER.
IT'S, I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT IDEA.
MY THOUGHT WAS JUST TO PUT IT ON YOUR, YOU GOTTA BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING TOO, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA POST.
YOU GOTTA, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL POSTS.
MY THINKING WAS JUST NOT IN COMMENTS.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING BACK ANSWERING WHY CONSTITU, THAT'S BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU'RE COMMENTING AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU'RE COMMENTING ON ORIGINAL POST.
THE ORIGINAL POST STILL HAS A DISCLAIMER AND YOU'RE COMMENTING UNDERNEATH IT.
SO IT'S COVERED UNDER THAT POST.
THE POST MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY DISCLAIMER 'CAUSE IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ON A PERSON'S PAGE.
WELL, THE POST IT MIGHT BE ON A PUBLIC PAGE.
THE POST HAS TO BE WHY WE CREATED THE ONLINE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD.
WELL THAT'S FOR COUNCIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.
BUT THIS IS COUNCIL COMMUNICATE ON EVERYBODY'S FACEBOOK PAGE AND SAY THE MAYOR PUTS SOMETHING ON THERE AND THEN A COUNCIL MEMBER COMES AND SAYS, YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING EXACTLY WRONG THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN AT THE BEING SAID, YOU ALL SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT ON YOUR FACEBOOK.
WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S POSTED AND IT'S MISINFORMATION POSTED ON A MAYOR PAGE AND, AND THE MAYOR IS CALLING THIS SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEMBER OUT BY NAME RIGHT.
AND SAYING THAT THEY ARE A LIAR, WHATEVER.
HOW DOES THAT, WHEN THE MAYOR'S DOING THAT AND CALLING A PERSON OUT BY NAME ON THEIR PAGE, I GOT TWO THINGS GOING.
THIS IS, THIS IS COUNCIL MEMBER WILL'S OPINION THAT I'M MISINFORMED.
LIKE WHEN I GO OUT AND I SAY WATER RATES ARE GOING UP AND COUNCILLOR WILCOTT SAYS, WELL THAT'S MISINFORMATION.
I DISAGREE BECAUSE I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JAMES AND HE'S TELLING ME 50 BUCKS A MONTH ARE GOING UP.
SO I'M ALERTING TO THE PUBLIC THAT YOU NEED TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT IF YOU GUYS SHOULD BE COMMENTED ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD AGREE.
YOU CAN STILL PUT THE DISCLAIMER THAT THIS IS YOUR OPINION.
HERE'S WHAT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT YOU ALL ON MY PAGE.
I DON'T WANT YOU PUTTING MY NAME ON YOUR PAGE EITHER.
SO THAT'S MY PROBLEM THAT I'VE DONE.
YOU YOU CALLED MY NAME OUT FOR NOTHING AND I DID NOTHING.
AND THEN YOU SAID THAT I, I ASKED YOU ABOUT ON AN AGENDA ITEM.
WE CAN HAVE AGENDA ITEMS ON THIS.
HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC.
WE'RE WE ARE GETTING, LEAVE MY NAME OFF YOUR FACEBOOK POST AND I WON'T GO THERE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
BUT, BUT IT'S PART OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
DO YOU WANT ME TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.
SO IT IS GERMANE TO THIS SECTION, A POLICY THAT CAN BE CREATED THAT STOPS THAT FROM HAPPENING, DOTTIE, BECAUSE I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE SO MUCH STRONGER IF THAT DID NOT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN AND THEY STOP GETTING CONFUSED BECAUSE THE MAYOR, THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO THAT IS, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS POLICY OUT.
SO WE PERSON PERSONAL ASIDE, THE WHAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE,
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WE SAID YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO HAVE YOUR OWN, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE PUT INFORMATION ON THERE AS ALLOWED BY LAW, BUT IT SHOULD NOT REFERENCE ANY OTHER MEMBER OR WHAT THEY DID.LOOK HERE, HERE, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
IS, IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT IS THE LAW A DISC, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE HAD, THIS IS ISSUE COME UP AND I GAVE YOU THE MEMO ABOUT THE FACEBOOK POST.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE IS WHAT THEY CONSIDER TRANSACTIONAL BUSINESS.
SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU WANNA INFORM YOUR CONSTITUENTS OF THAT, THAT HABIT, RIGHT? SO I WOULD AGREE.
SO YOU TELL ME I'M LYING ABOUT WHY WE RAN OUT OF MONEY.
YOU SAID STOP SAYING THAT IT WAS COVID.
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
AND SO I WENT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA 'CAUSE PEOPLE SAY, HEY MAYOR PROTE IS SAYING YOU'RE BASICALLY LYING.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL I THINK MAYOR PROTE IS MISTAKEN AND HERE'S WHY.
SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
IF YOU DON'T WANT ME MENTIONING YOU, THEN DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND DON'T GO IN A MEETING, INTERRUPT ME AND START DISAGREEING WITH ME ON SOMETHING.
THAT'S THE, I CAN DISAGREE WITH YOU WHATEVER I WANT.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE STUPID MEETING IS TO DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER AND TO SAY THINGS.
BUT FOR YOU TO GO ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND TO START DOING THAT NONSENSE AND TO START CALLING OUT A FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS IS RIDICULOUS.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T ENGAGE WITH YOU ON THE ITEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE ITEM.
YOU JUST, I I'M ASKING THE CFOA QUESTION ON FINANCES AND YOU'RE OVER HERE TALKING ABOUT ALLIANCE.
YOU CAN SAY THERE WAS A DISCUSSION IN COUNCILS MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT AND HERE'S MY OPINION.
AND WITH THE POLO LOGO THING, YOU SAID THERE WAS A VOTE.
I JUST AGREED BECAUSE OF THIS.
I WAS THE DISSENT AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU NAMED JUST ME.
FIVE OTHER PEOPLE ALSO VOTED FOR THAT SAME MOTION.
I NAME YOU IN THE WHOLE AFTER DID, SORRY.
CAN WE MAKE IT WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT A DIS DISPLAYER ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA? I MEAN SOCIAL MEDIA, LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC.
BUT I THINK YOU GUYS ALL DO ON EVERY SINGLE COMMENT.
YOU CAN'T JUST MOVE ON ANYTHING YOU POSTED.
WE ENOUGH TIME? WE GOT TWO MINUTES.
I'M JUST SAYING IT OUGHT TO BE ON EVERY COMMENT TOO.
'CAUSE IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA COME ON AND MAKE POSTS AND STORIES AND STUFF, THEN YOU OUGHT TO PUT DISCLAIMERS.
WHY DO YOU GET, SO CAN WE ADD IN INTO THIS THAT WE HAVE TO PUT THAT DISCLAIMER SINCE DOTTIE, YOU DID SAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT.
I I'LL PUT THE DISCLAIMER, I'LL MAKE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT MY MAIN UH, COMMENT IS ALL THIS SHOULD BE ON YOUR ONLINE MESSAGE.
WELL, IT'S NOT DOTIE IT'S NOT YOUR PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGES.
SO FACEBOOK PAGES ARE, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE INDIVIDUAL ON HERE WHO CONTINUALLY DOES IT.
HOW DO WE MAKE THAT? WHO CONTINUALLY ATTACKS OTHER FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONLY ON THE FORUM.
HOW CAN WE GET TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN SO THAT EVERYBODY, 'CAUSE I'M READING IT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT TRUE BECAUSE I GET SCREENSHOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT WRITE STUFF, WALL'S, THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE, HORRIBLE, ALL THIS OTHER STUFF ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.
AND YES, WELL NO, LET'S DISCUSS WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO MEMBERSHIP.
WHEN COMMENTING OR RESPONDING TO OTHER POSTS, ONLY FACTUAL INFORMATION SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO CITY RELATED TOPICS AS PERSONAL VIEWS MAY NOT REFLECT THAT OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL BOARD OF CITY.
IN ADDITION, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY STATE LAW, YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY CHECK TO ENSURE THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OR BOARD OF UH, COMMISSIONS HAVE RESPONDED ON THE SAME DISCUSSION THREAD.
SO IT SAYS EXERCISE CAUTION WHEN RESPONDING FACTUAL INFORMATION SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SUCH A HARD TASK.
WHY CAN WE NOT HAVE CIVIL DISCOURSE AND BE POLITE AND KIND ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ENTIRE CITY LOOKS AT THAT PAGE AND ALL DAY, ALL CONVERSATIONS ARE REGARDING THAT PAGE.
WHY CAN'T IT STOP? DOTTIE, WHY CAN'T IT STOP? SO WE CAN MOVE ABOUT BUSINESS AS USUAL, YOU, YOU HAVE ALL THE RULES LAID OUT MEMBERS TO TREAT EACH OTHER.
DIGNITY, RESPECT, AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.
DISAGREEMENTS MAY BE EXPECTED, BUT PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE INAPPROPRIATE.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DISCLAIMER ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS THAT THEIR STATEMENTS DO NOT REPRESENT THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE CITY OR CITY COUNCIL, THEY'RE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR STATEMENTS.
SO I'LL DRAFT SOMETHING FOR THAT.
AND THEN CAN WE JUST ADD, SO I GOTTA ASK LIKE, HOW IS THIS, CAN, CAN WE JUST ADD ANOTHER SENTENCE SAYING THAT, UM, THE ONLINE, ABOUT THE ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD? YES.
TO TRY TO RESTRICT THE ONLINE METHOD, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE HOW IS THIS APPROPRIATE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IN YOUR PUBLIC PAGE? I DON'T LIKE ME.
YOU ALL RIGHT? WE, I HAVE A LOT.
I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. MY HONEST GUESS IS TO CREATE AN ISSUE OVER HERE.
SO NO ONE WOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MESS THAT HE'S INVOLVED IN.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY BUSINESS? DON'T, THAT'S YOUR COMMENT, MIKE.
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I'M SAYING, I DON'T KNOW THE CONTEXT.YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHO TYPED? YOU SAID, I DON'T REMEMBER.
HE JUST READ ONE SENTENCE,
BUT WE ORDINANCE, WAIT A MINUTE, 600 FEET.
SO HE, YOU STARTED THIS WHOLE DEAL WITH, I'M BREAKING THE LAW.
CAN I JUST WRITE A LEGAL MEMO ON THE
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JOIN ONE WAY OR OTHER.
RIGHT? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING EXCEPT ON PAGE 26.
ANOTHER LIAISON MAY REPORT AND THAT'S IT.