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GO'S ON ALRIGHTYY AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.[Planning and Zoning on November 7, 2023.]
THE CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 TO ORDER AND WE WILL HAVE ROLL CALL.AND I AM COMMISSIONER BOYER AND I AM HERE MR. ALL RIGHTY.
WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? WE DO NOT.
SO WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 7 0 1.
WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA IN FRONT OF US.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2023.
4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED ELM PARK TOWN HOMES, PRELIMINARY PLA 12.043 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND PROPOSING ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT LOCATED ALONG ELM PARK STREET IN THE STAR RANCH MUD ETJ ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED HI HIPPO PARTNER LI HU MEGASITE, PRELIMINARY PLATT 52.57 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AND WEST OF FM 33 49.
ITEM 4.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE HUD CROSSING PHASE FOUR, SECTION 18, FINAL PLATT 22.045 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 34 LOTS LOCATED NORTH ON CARL STERN DRIVE.
ITEM 4.5 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED YARDLEY EMORY CROSSING, PRELIMINARY PLATT 56.318 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND COMPRISED OF ONE MULTIFAMILY LOT LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 AND ITEM 4.6 CONSIDERATION AND ACCEPTANCE OF THE 2024 SUBMITTAL CALENDAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS HOUSE BILL 36 99.
DO I HEAR A MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM FOUR FOUR FOR DISCUSSION AND I'D LIKE TO PULL FOUR TWO, DID YOU SAY FOUR TWO AND FOUR FOUR MM-HMM.
UH, COMMISSIONER MORRIS, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS 4.2? UM, IS THAT BEFORE WE DO THE, UH, THE BLANKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? YEAH, GO AHEAD AND GET IT APPROVED AND THEN WE CAN PULL THE OTHER.
UM, JUST FOR, I MEAN THIS IS BEING UM, UH, RECOMMENDED NOT TO APPROVE AND UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT.
I JUST THINK GOING FORWARD THIS IS GONNA COME BEFORE THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION HERE SOMETIME IN THE TWO WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS TIMEFRAME.
I JUST WANTED TO GET A, A BRIEF SUMMARY, JUST FIVE MINUTES OR LESS FROM STAFF KIND OF OUTLINING THE MAJOR ISSUES FOR THE DISAPPROVAL SO THAT THOSE ARE RECORDED IN THE MINUTES.
SO IF WE COME BACK TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE 30, 40 PAGES.
I CAN SEE THAT IN THE MINUTES THAT THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT.
SO THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DENIAL RIGHT NOW IS JUST THAT THE COMMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN RESPONDED TO.
AND 'CAUSE PRELIMINARY PLATTS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING PER OUR ADOPTIVE CODE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON TRULY.
IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS TOO MANY COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT BACK THAT STILL NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND WE DON'T DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS REQUESTED UNTIL THE ITEM IS READY.
SO BY THE TIME, EVEN IF THEY HAD SUBMITTED WITHIN THAT 10 DAY TIMEFRAME TO GET IT ON AN AGENDA, THERE'S THEN NOT ENOUGH TIME TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CHERYL, I CAN'T SEE YOU THIS WAY.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING IS WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UH RIGHT.
MAINTAINING COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND THAT UM, WE ALSO THEN
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ALLOW THEM TO HAVE TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING STATUTORILY APPROVED THAT WOULDN'T MEET.SO WHEN YOU SAY IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE UDC, THAT MEANS BASICALLY HAVEN'T GOT THE COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TYPE OF THING? IT'S NOT ANY GROSS PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUE? NO, IT REALLY, I MEAN A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS REALLY JUST MINOR BUT IT'S CLEANUP THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE.
THAT'S WHAT SAW I, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS.
I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE'RE ON ATLAS 14 FOR THE FLOODPLAIN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE USING THE CORRECT FLOODPLAIN.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THAT ONE, WHICH I, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER COMMENT JUST BECAUSE FLOOD PLAIN IS A LITTLE, UM, CAN IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT PULLED OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT IN THE CONSENT AGENDA? LEAVE IT IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, SO FIRST, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THAT IN THE SLIDES, BUT UH, SO BLOCK GG OVER ON THE WEST SIDE IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS OPEN SPACE BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FLOODPLAIN.
SO I WAS JUST VERIFYING THAT THAT WAS NOT THE ONLY, UM, PARKLAND THAT THEY WERE DEDICATING.
DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER? I FORGOT PAGE NUMBER NUMBER ON THAT ONE.
I KNOW THIS IS PART OF A MULTI MULTI-SECTION PLAT, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER SECTIONS.
UM, SO THIS ONE, IT IS FLOOD'S FLOOD PLAIN AND IT WILL ALSO BE OPEN SPACE.
UM, IT COULD COEXIST IN THE SAME AREA.
UH, THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S APUD, WE CAN GET YOU THE OTHER NUMBERS ON IF THERE'S ANY PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS.
UM, KEEP IN MIND THIS ONE HAS A LARGE TRAIL SYSTEM RUNNING THROUGH IT, SO I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH PARKS TO SEE UM, IF THEY OWE ANYTHING ELSE FOR PARKLAND.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WHEN THIS COMES BACK
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ADJACENT.
UM, BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE JUST, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK TO ADD IT ON THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WEREN'T GOING FOR APPROVAL RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I'M EXPECTING THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY COME BACK FOR DECEMBER, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE AS ALWAYS THAT WE GIVE YOU THE PARKLAND UH, DEDICATION TO, YOU KNOW, THE FACTS ON THAT, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL REQUEST.
SO, BUT, BUT IT SAYS APPROVAL 4 4 4 IS THE APPROVAL REQUEST, SORRY FOR HEAD FOUR FOUR IS CROSSING THE APPROVAL.
WE WOULD JUST SAY YES, BUT THAT IS JUST PART OF THE UM, OVERALL PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
I CAN GET YOU MORE INFORMATION I THINK ON THIS ONE THEY DON'T OWE ANYTHING ELSE.
I WAS JUST DOUBLE CHECKING 'CAUSE I KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PART OF A MULTIPLE SECTIONS SO IT MIGHT'VE ALREADY BEEN.
I'LL MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'VE, THIS ONE'S SWITCHED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
THEY'VE JUST NOW MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO TO RESIDENTIAL AND NOT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE BECAUSE THE ACCESS IS A LITTLE BIT RESTRICTED OVER THERE.
WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THE PAST MEETINGS.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH JEFF AND I WILL ACTUALLY SEND OUT AN EMAIL SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT IS MY BAG 'CAUSE HE DID NOT WRITE THIS ONE.
SO THAT'S ON ME, BUT I WILL GET YOU THOSE, UM, THAT NUMBER FROM JEFF AND I WILL CC IT TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
UM, SO MOST OF THE LOTS ARE ONLY 42 FOOT OR 31 FOOT WIDE.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE THE ATTACHED DUPLEX HOMES.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO A LOT OF THEM WILL BE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF UM, ABILITY TO HAVE ALL THE, ESSENTIALLY A LOT OF DIFFERENT ATTAINABLE HOUSING TYPES.
UM, SO THEY CAN HAVE ATTACHED UNITS, THEY CAN HAVE VERY SMALL TOWN HOME UNITS, UM, IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THIS WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S OVER ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE COMMON LOTS WHERE THEY WILL LOOK MORE LIKE THE STANDARD FOURPLEXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A MYRIAD OF USES ACROSS THIS.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THEM.
I'M THINKING MORE OF THE DUPLEXES WITH A SHARED LOT LINE AND THEN THEY'LL EACH HAVE THEIR OWN, UM, GARAGE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AND WE CAN'T REALLY HOLD THEM TO JUST ONE TYPE BECAUSE THE PUD ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE SO MANY USES.
SO IF THEY CAN MAKE SOMETHING SMALL FIT WITH THE STANDARD SETBACKS WITH THE IFC AND THE REST, THEY COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN RIGHT NOW IS A LOT OF ATTACHED UNITS ON THOSE SMALLER LOTS, KIND OF MORE LIKE A LITTLE ROW HOUSE.
I WAS JUST, AND THE MAIN REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS IF THERE ARE ANY ACTUAL STANDALONE UNITS, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO REMIND THEM
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THAT 31 FOOT LOT CANNOT HOLD A SINGLE UNIT.UM, AND EVEN ACTUALLY FOR 42 FOOT, WE NO LONGER ALLOW ANYTHING UNDER 45 FOOT WIDTH.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM WAS IN THAT CURRENT PLAT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ONLY SHOWING THE LOT LINES FOR A SMALL PORTION.
THERE'S A WHOLE PORTION THERE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WAS ONE OF MY OTHER NODES.
UM, BLOCK GIGI AND HH ARE BOTH JUST WIDE OPEN AREAS WITH NO LOT LINES.
SO IF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THIS SECTION.
THOSE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, NO, I'M SORRY.
UM, THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL SITE PLAN SECTIONS OF THIS THAT THOSE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE WHERE YOU SEE THOSE P UES, UM, THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL SUFFICE AS ALLEYS.
SO THEY WILL BE REAR LOADED, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PRIVATE DRIVES.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PRIVATE, UM, THEY'LL ESSENTIALLY BE LIKE A PRIVATE ALLEY AS PART OF THAT OVERALL LOT.
SO YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE DENSE CONDO IN THAT AREA.
SO AGAIN, AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING SINGLE, SINGLE, UH, I HONESTLY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY WOULD MEET THE IFC AT THIS POINT FOR THAT SMALL OF A LOT.
BUT YEAH, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE SHOWN US, UM, COMPLIES COMPLETELY WITH THE PED AS FAR AS THE HOUSING TYPE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN AND GETTING ALL OF THAT PRODUCT APPROVED ESSENTIALLY AT ONCE SO THEY CAN JUST PULL PERMITS AND BUILD AS NEEDED.
SO NOTE 22 STATES THAT RIGHT NOW, UM, SO MOST OF THE FRONT YARDS WILL HAVE 15 FOOT SPACING AS IT STATES IN THE PLAT.
UM, BUT NOTE 22 IS TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARD FIRE LANE PIECE.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD VERBIAGE IN HERE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY BUILD AT LEAST 32 FOOT WIDE ROADS AND THEY'RE AT, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT REALLY ALLOWING ADEQUATE SPACE TO ACTUALLY HAVE PARKING WITHIN DRIVEWAYS IF THEY EVEN PLAN TO PUT DRIVEWAYS IN THESE SMALL SPACES.
SO WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO BUILD SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS AND THESE CONDO TOWN HOME TYPE UNITS THAT AGAIN, POSSIBLY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE GARAGES OR DRIVEWAYS.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT AS PART OF A CONDITION THAT THEY MUST BUILD 32 FOOT WIDE ROADS? YOU COULD REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE 26 FOOT WIDE AND JUST STREETS AND JUST KIND OF REWORD THAT.
JUST THAT STREETS HAVE TO BE 32 FEET.
THE PAVEMENT WIDTH FOR THE STREETS HAS TO BE 32 FEET WIDE CURB TO CURB.
AND THEN I THINK, DID I HAVE ONE MORE? YEP.
UM, I THINK WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS IN THE PAST TOO.
SO LOTS 18 THROUGH 33 RIGHT NOW ARE BACKING UP TO THE UPRR RAIL LINE.
SO THERE IS A POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT OF RIGHT AWAY FROM THE TRACK.
SO WHAT TYPE OF FENCING, UM, ARE THEY USING THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE A SOUND BUFFER VERSUS JUST A STANDARD WOODEN WHATEVER FENCE THAT WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE SO THEY ARE ABLE TO BUILD A SUBDIVISION WALL? WE HAVE NOT SEEN DETAILS ON THAT.
YOU COULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT ON THAT IS THIS PUD MATCHES THE UDC SO CLOSELY OR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SO CLOSELY WE DON'T HAVE A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES A CERTAIN TYPE OF FENCE.
I WILL SAY WITH THIS DEVELOPER, WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN IN THE PAST, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT REQUIRED, IS THAT LARGER SOUND WALL ADJACENT TO ONE 30.
SO I WOULD EXPECT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN THE UDC AND BECAUSE THIS IS A PLATT, IT WOULD, WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND LEGAL STANDING TO REQUIRE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THE CODE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S APUD.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DOES THE PLATT MEET YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION ON IS, UM, YOU COULD DO IT, BUT WE COULD GET PUSHBACK ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING REQUIRED.
IT'S OPTIONAL BY OUR CODE RIGHT NOW.
SO SINCE IT'S NOT SOMETHING COULD WE PUT AS PART OF OUR PUT AS PART OF OUR VOTE THAT WE WOULD REQUEST A CERTAIN PIECE OR IS, IS IT BETTER TO JUST HAVE IT VERBALLY NOW AS THEY POTENTIALLY REVIEW THIS LATER? I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE BETTER AND THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO THEM, JUST SAY, HEY, THIS CAME UP AS A CONCERN, BUT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE LEGAL BACKING TO MM-HMM.
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AS A COMMENT, BUT THEY CAN ALSO TELL US, YEAH, COOL.UM, JUST BECAUSE PLASS ARE SO REGULATED BY THE STATE, WE CAN'T MAKE A COMMENT THAT'S NOT, WE CAN'T BACK UP WITH A CODE CITATION.
SO THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING YOU CAN CERTAINLY REQUEST IT STAFF WILL, UM, PASS IT ALONG THAT THERE'S THAT CONCERN, BUT I CAN'T REQUIRE IT BE BETWEEN THE PUD AND THE UUD C.
I'LL ALSO MAKE A NOTE FOR OUR UUD C REWRITE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDING THAT IN FOR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT RANGE OF YEAH, I THINK YOU GUYS GOT ALL 68 PAGES OF THAT, SO, OH, IT'S, IT'S GONNA GROW BIG TIME.
I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IF, IF I CAN ADD ON TO THAT, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO APPEAL TO A SOUND WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN RECEIVED WELL BY THE DEVELOPER.
UM, YEAH, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE A UD AN INCLUSION IN THE UDC IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, FREEWAY TRAIN.
NO, YOU DO THIS OR YOU DON'T GET APPROVED.
WELL, AND I CAN SAY IF IT MAKES ANYBODY FEEL BETTER, I THINK THIS IS THE LAST RESIDENTIAL AREA LIKE THIS ALONG THAT RAIL LINE.
UM, ONCE IT GETS PAST HERE, I KNOW WE HAD THAT, UH, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THE URBANA GOING IN AT KIND OF THE 1 99.
HOWEVER, AT LEAST THERE'S, THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUFFER THERE.
THERE'S THE COMMERCIAL BUFFER THERE.
UM, THAT IS REALLY THE LAST RESIDENTIAL ON THAT LINE THROUGH TOWN.
THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE NON-RESIDENTIAL, SO IT HOPEFULLY WON'T COME UP AGAIN.
PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS REZONE THINGS.
I CAN'T SAY NEVER, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD HAVE IT MARKED AS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED FURTHER ONCE WE GET TO THAT SECTION OF THE UDC FOR, BUT WHEN THE, WHEN THE SOUTHEAST LOOP GOES IN, ABSOLUTELY.
ALL OF OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE PLANNING THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE, WE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE SO THAT THIS KIND OF AMBIVALENCE CANNOT BE REPEATED.
ASHLEY, LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE PLATT ON LOT 17, I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE BACKING UP RIGHT AGAINST THE RAILROAD.
SO OTHER THAN OUR FENCES THAT ARE NOT IDEAL, RIGHT.
IF THERE'S A KID OUTSIDE, HOW DO WE PREVENT THEM FROM GETTING ONTO THE, THE, THE RAILROAD? SO MOST OF THOSE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A LOT GG, THAT WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE.
THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR SUBDIVISION WALLS OR FENCING OF SOME SORT IN.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS AT ALL WHERE WE KNOW HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE PREVENTING LIKE HAVING SOME TYPE OF WALL OR SOMETHING.
I KNOW I THINK I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP THE P FROM RIGHT.
A VERY LONG TIME AGO, BUT YEAH, IT'S HARD TO FIND THE PUD TO VERIFY WHAT WALLS WERE REQUIRED EVEN.
THERE IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, DEER PARK AND THEY BACK UP TO THE RAILROADS AND MM-HMM.
I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE DUPLEXES THERE TOO.
UM, AND THEY'RE DUPLEXES TOO RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE I CAME IN 2000.
SO I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THEY'RE ACCOUNTING FOR, FOR THAT OR IS IT JUST OPEN FIELD AND PARENTS WATCH YOUR KIDS? I MEAN, TECHNICALLY IT COULD BE OPEN FIELD BECAUSE WE DON'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO ENCLOSE THOSE SPACES, BUT WITH THIS DEVELOPER IN EVERY OTHER INSTANCE, WE HAVE SEEN THEM PUT THEIR, UM, PUT THE SUBDIVISION WALLS UP SINCE WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO ANYTHING, CAN WE ASK THEM TO JUST EXPLAIN TO US SO THAT THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WILL BE DONE? I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE REQUEST TO THEM OR I CAN GET CLARIFICATION OF EDUCATE ME, THIS SOMETHING IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
UM, WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION FROM 'EM WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE.
I KNOW IN THE ORIGINAL MEETINGS THAT WE HAD WITH THEM ABOUT THIS CONCEPT, THEY WERE SHOWING SUBDIVISION WALLS.
THEY WILL DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
WE JUST CAN'T REQUIRE IT OF THEM AT THE TIME OF PLATTING AND WE'RE NOT GONNA OPEN UP THE PUD FOR, TO GO REQUIRE THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS WAS A 2008 VERSION OF APUD THAT WAS THEN AMENDED I THINK IN 2019 OR SOMETHING.
SO THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOR SOME OF THEM, BUT IT'S STILL NOT PERFECT.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET CLARIFICATION AND JUST TALK TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCERN CAME UP, CAN YOU TELL ME THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS AND AT LEAST GET SOMETHING FOR YOU.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND PULL 4.4 TO HERE WHAT IN DECEMBER? MM-HMM.
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WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THAT ADDITION, FOR THAT MODIFICATION AND THEN I THINK WE CAN APPROVE THE REST OF THEM.
AFTER THAT, RIGHT? THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM,
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 4.4 WITH THE MODIFICATION TO NOTE 22 TO STATE THAT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH FOR ALL INTERNAL ROADWAYS MUST BE AT LEAST 32 FOOT WIDE CURB TO CURB.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE ITEM 4.4 WITH THE VERBIAGE TO ADD A 32 FOOT WIDTH ON THE STREET INSTEAD OF THE 26.
GREATER THAN 32, CORRECT? YES.
AND SO, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
NOW WE WILL GO BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR ITEMS 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.5, AND 4.6.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AND AGENDA ITEMS. 4 1 4 2 4 3, 4 5 AND FOUR SIX.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE LOOKING AT DISAPPROVING 4, 2, 4 3 AND APPROVING 4, 5, 4, 6.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER MORRISON SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ SAY AYE.
CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 27 25 LIMMER LOOP TO ALLOW A CAR WASH IN THE B TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A GAS STATION UDC 10.30.
AS IT WAS JUST STATED, UM, THIS IS FOR ASUP TO ALLOW A CAR WASH, UM, AT A PROPOSED GAS STATION.
10.30 7.6 DEFINES THE CAR WASH, UM, AND SHOWS THAT IN UH, THE B TWO IT WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND A CAR WASH AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
UH, CONVENIENCE STORE IS DEFINED IN THE UDC SECTION 10.3 7.8 0.1 AS A RETAIL STORE.
NO MORE THAN 5,000 GROSS FOOTING AREA, WHICH SELLING, UM, GOODS AGAIN.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A CONVENIENT STORE WITH GAS SALES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY IS, UM, LOCATED, UM, THERE ON THE CORNER AS AB TWO TO THE WEST.
WE HAVE AB TWO AND IT'S VACANT TO THE NORTH.
YOU HAVE THAT B TWO ZONING ALONG WITH UH, SSF ONE ZONING TO THE EAST IT'S ETJ WITH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IT'S AB TWO AND IT'S A CONVENIENT STORE CURRENTLY.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT REAL QUICK, AND THIS WILL, WE'LL GET TO THIS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, LOOKING TO THE NORTH FROM THE PROPERTY, A PART OF IT, UH, THE ABUTTING PROPERTY NOT ONLY IS B TWO, THE OTHER HALF IS SSF ONE.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE ZONING DISTRICT ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS AN OPEN LOT.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE, UH, SITE PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UM, AS BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS GONNA NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE GENERAL LAYOUT THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AND, UH, THAT CAR WASH, UM, ON THE NORTH THERE THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THIS WILL BE LOOKING LIKE.
THE LETTER OF INTENT, WHICH YOU DO HAVE IN YOUR PACKET STAFF, UH, SENT OUT 62 NOTICES TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET.
AND WE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES ALL
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IN WHICH WE'RE OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.WITH THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SUP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, AND THESE ARE JUST THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THE UDC SECTION, 10.307, 0.6 0.3.
UH, SO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, UH, THE UM, CAR WASH MUST BE LOCATED AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM THE BOUNDARY OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
PLACES OF RESIDENTS SUCH AS NURSING HOMES AND EXTENDED CARE FACILITIES OR LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS AND VACUUMS CANNOT BE LOCATED IN THE STREET YARD.
THE SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE WASHING FACILITIES MUST OCCUR UNDER A ROOFED AREA WITH AT LEAST TWO WALLS.
AND THEY CURRENTLY DO MEET THAT THE CAR WASH FACILITY NEXT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT PLACE OF RESIDENTS SUCH AS NURSING HOMES AND EXTENDED CARE FACILITIES AND LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS MUST BE SCREENED AND BUFFERED WITH A MASONRY, UH, WALL TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES CAN ONLY OPERATE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 PM ALONG WITH THEY CANNOT HAVE LOUDSPEAKERS OR EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT EMITS ANY AUDIBLE SIGNALS SUCH AS BEEPS, BUZZERS, AND BELLS.
THAT WOULD BE AUDIBLE OFF THE SITE.
GOING BACK TO THAT FIRST ONE THERE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THAT THE CAR WASH ITSELF MUST BE LOCATED 50 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING DISTRICT, THE SSF ONE, NOT NECESSARILY IF THERE'S A HOUSE THERE OR NOT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A OPEN LOT, IT'S STILL TECHNICALLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE NEED TO BE 50 FEET FROM THAT, NOT NECESSARILY THE HOUSES, WHICH ARE THE LOT ABOVE THAT ONE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THERE'S ALSO A CUL-DE-SAC RIGHT THERE, SO I THINK RIGHT.
SO, UM, WHAT THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND WITH THE CONDITIONS, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE OF THE, UM, PROJECT? OF THE SITE LAYOUT? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE ONE, ONE ENTRANCE OFF OF COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 OR, OR ED SMIT AND ONE OFF OF LEMER LOOP.
I THINK THE ONE OFF OF LIMBER LOOP IS GONNA BE A JOINT EASEMENT.
BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A STRIP OF COMMERCIAL THAT WILL CONTINUE DOWN LIMBER.
THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE A JOINT POTENTIALLY.
YOU CAN'T POTENTIALLY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, BUT THE COMMERCIAL DOES GO.
THE COMMERCIAL KEEPS EXTENDING.
I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT ARE WE GONNA DO, SHOULD WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I NEED TO DO THE HEARING FIRST.
I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:28 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? PLEASE STEP UH, YES.
AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY NAME IS ADAM HUGHES, 74 21
UM, I'M, LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS ADAM HUGHES.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, UH, SALEM SERVICES WHO DEVELOP, WHO DESIGN THE SITE PLAN.
I WANTED TO PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT WITH THE SITE LAYOUT AND SOME CONSTRAINTS THAT DO SHOW UP ON THE LAYOUT.
WE SEE THERE, UH, THERE'S A GAS LINE EASEMENT THAT RUNS NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST ON THE STREET PORTION OF THIS, SORRY, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THIS CORNER LOT.
AND SO WHAT WE REALLY TRIED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE OPEN AREAS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT THIS CAR WASH AND MAKE IT WORK.
UM, THIS LOCATION THAT YOU SEE IS THE BEST SOLUTION WE COULD COME UP WITH.
'CAUSE THE BUILDING CAN NOT COME MORE SOUTH.
AND THE HOOVER, THE SECONDARY OPTION WOULD BE TO MOVE IT TO THE, THE LOT ONE, WHICH IS SMALL RED LIGHT, YOU SEE TO THE NORTH IN A COMPLIANT PLACE, 50 FEET FROM A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, SORRY, UH,
UM, THAT WOULD PUT IT 50 FEET FROM A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE OF THE LOT WITH A RESIDENCE LOT IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION WHILE IT IS 31 32 FEET FROM THAT OPEN SPACE LOT ON THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S ACTUALLY 63 FEET AWAY FROM A SINGLE FAMILY BLOCK WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE.
SO THE, UH, THE BUFFER OF THE OPEN SPACE WITH THAT HOA LOT ON THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC PROVIDES ADDITIONAL, UM, BUFFER.
WE HAVE A, A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT PROVIDES PLENTY OF DENSELY LANDSCAPING PLANTS AND TREES THAT WOULD, UH, SHADE AND SCREEN THE
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BUILDING.AND WE ALSO HAVE A REQUIRED MASONRY WALL THAT WILL BE GOING UP, UM, THAT WILL BE IN, IN LIKE, UH, MATERIALS THAT, THAT ARE THE SAME AS WILCO RANCH.
SO I DID WANT TO JUST PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL CONTEXT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE REALLY HAVE.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR HEARING ME THERE.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION BE MADE WITH THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW, AS IT'S BEEN SHOWN, ALLOW THE CAR WASH WEAR.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 31.
AND COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ASK OR I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD OPPOSED THIS, JUST TO PUT ON RECORD, UM, TO ADDRESS MOST OF YOUR COMMENTS, IT'S ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL SO A CONVENIENCE STORE CAN HAPPEN.
UM, THE CAR WASH ALREADY BASED ON UDC WILL HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO LIGHT EMITTING TOWARDS THE RESIDENCES SPECIFICALLY AND IT CAN ONLY OPERATE AT THE CERTAIN HOURS STATED.
SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD TO TRY TO ADDRESS.
I THINK THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE OPPOSITION COMMENTS.
UM, MY ONLY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THERE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I KNOW THE LIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT WON'T NECESSARILY GO OVER, BUT I KNOW WITH SOUND THAT CAN BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S TWO STORY HOMES ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY BEHIND UM, ANY BUFFER WALLS FOR COMMERCIAL CAN BE A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT FEET.
ONLY BECAUSE FOR THE MAXIMUM OF EIGHT FEET THEY'RE TURNING THAT IN WITH THEIR SITE PLAN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE UM, DIFFERENT WIND CALCULATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT ON THE SITE PLAN FOR A LARGER WALL.
UM, SO I WOULD ASSUME THE SIX FOOT MASONRY ON ALL SIDES.
DOES THAT SATISFY THE NEED FOR BOTH THE LIGHT AND THE SOUND? I'M JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE RESIDENCE'S CONCERNS.
IF THE CONCERN IS FOR THE LIGHTING, WE DO HAVE THAT 30% CONE IN THE CODE.
I THINK WHEN WE HAVE HAD THESE COME UP IN THE PAST, NOT FOR THE SPECIFIC USE BUT IN OTHER PUDS THAT YOU HAVE ALL HEARD, UM, PART OF IT'S JUST THE GLOW FROM THIS SITE, NOT NECESSARILY A DIRECT LIGHT.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CONDITIONED IN THE PAST THAT LIGHTS CANNOT, UM, THEY HAVE TO BE FULLY SHIELDED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SITE.
OBVIOUSLY OUR CODE SAYS THAT AS WELL.
UM, THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK IS, UM, THERE WAS THE RECENT PD IN WHICH YOU RECO OR THE COMMISSION REQUIRED, UM, THE LIGHTS BE CUT TO 50%.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS UM, WITH THAT PD AS FAR AS THE LIGHTING TIMEFRAMES BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCY TO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS EXISTING.
UM, YOU HAVE A FEW OPTIONS THERE POTENTIALLY.
UM, I THINK THAT'D BE ABOUT IT.
I MEAN I THINK THE MASONRY WALL WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN REALLY REQUIRE PER THE CODE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD THEN.
UM, FOR THE WEST ACCESS EASEMENT, I GUESS JUST VERIFYING THAT THAT'S ALIGNING WITH THE EASEMENT TO THE SOUTH FOR THE OTHER CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND THEN FOR THE OTHER EASEMENT, JUST MAYBE A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
I KNOW THERE'S THE LITTLE, I'LL CALL IT A CUT GOING TO THE NORTH AS YOU ENTER THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
ON THIS IT, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT ON THAT.
SO ON PAGE WHATEVER, 97 90, THANK YOU.
UM, ONCE YOU DO ENTER THAT AND, AND GO NORTH, THERE IS THAT SMALL CUT, LIKE IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY GO ANYWHERE.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE DETENTION POND AND EVERYTHING, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT TO REALLY HAVE THAT THERE VERSUS JUST CURVING THAT A SINGLE DIRECTION.
I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT HAS CAUSED CONFUSION IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY WILL PUT IN A POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT TO BE BUILT OUT LATER AND THEN UM, IT NEVER DOES.
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UNDERSTOOD.I THINK FOR THIS ONE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THE DETENTION POND THERE, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE SOMETHING ELSE OVER THERE.
AND BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT THE SHARED ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO AND NOT HAVE TO CUT IT OFF AND THEN REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT THAT COULD ALSO JUST BE PROVIDING ACCESS AT THIS POINT.
TO THAT DETENTION AREA FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE.
GOT A QUESTION THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE, IT TALKED ABOUT NEEDING A WAIVER OR ASKING FOR A WAIVER.
WHAT IS THAT VARIANCE SPECIFICALLY? WE CAN'T PROVIDE VARIANCES TO THE SAP PURPOSE.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE VACUUMS. SO I I, IF I UNDERSTAND THE CAR WASH ITSELF WILL TURN OFF IT, IT'LL BE SEVEN TO NINE.
ARE THE VACUUMS INCLUDED IN THAT? SO SOMEBODY CAN'T VACUUM THEIR CAR AT 11:00 PM TYPE OF THING? YOU COULD CONDITION THAT AS PART, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE NOISE COULD BE LOUDER.
OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE A NOISE COMPLAINT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE DICEY.
YOU HAVE TO CATCH 'EM RIGHT AT THE MINUTE THE VACUUM IS GOING OFF.
SO THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF THE USE ITSELF.
OR YOU COULD PRECLUDE VACUUMS ON SITE.
A LOT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASHES DON'T HAVE THE VACUUMS ON SITE ANYWAY.
I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND INCLUDING IT IN THE SAME TIMEFRAME THAT THE CAR WASH ITSELF IS OPEN.
A RESIDENT DID MENTION VACUUMS SPECIFICALLY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT A RESIDENT MENTIONED THAT, AND I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THIS, SO CLARIFICATION WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, IT SAYS OUR CODE IS A DIRECT ACCESS TO THIS LOT, THEREFORE WE WOULD APPRECIATE A WALL TO ENSURE PEOPLE DO NOT CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THEY'RE REFERRING TO OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING FROM HERE TO HERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M IMAGINING, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING I WAS SAYING.
JUST MAKING SURE THERE'S A MASONRY WALL ACROSS THE WHOLE SO THAT SAY MASONRY WALL WOULD PREVENT THE, OKAY.
I THINK THEY JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO WALK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M, I PERSONALLY WOULD ACTUALLY WANT AN ACCESS POINT SO YOU CAN WALK OVER AND GET STUFF FROM THE CONVENIENCE STORE, RIGHT? YEP.
IT DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE FROM THAT COMMENT THAT THEY'RE THINKING THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC COULD BE DIRECT ACCESS BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
SO THERE'LL BE, SO THERE'LL BE A FENCE ACROSS TO PREVENT IT.
ANYBODY FROM BEING ABLE TO COME BACK THERE.
I MEAN CUT ACROSS THAT GRASS OR CURB IN THE CUL-DE-SAC SIDE ANYWHERE.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DIRECT ACCESS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING BACK THERE THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE BACK THERE.
THAT WOULD JUST REALLY PROHIBIT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC UNLESS YOU WERE REALLY MOTIVATED TO
SO I KNOW THIS COMMENT KEEPS COMING UP A LOT.
UM, WITH ALL DEVELOPMENT WATER.
BUT IT'S STILL WATER, IT'S STILL WASTEWATER.
HOW DO WE, DO WE, IS THAT OUR, IS THAT PART OF CITY OF HUDU? I MEAN IS THERE ENOUGH WATER FOR THIS ADDING ANOTHER CAR WASH? I THINK THAT'S, UM, THIS IS NORTH OF LIMMER.
AND THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED BY JONAH HAS APPROVED THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH WATER.
THAT'S THE SHALLOW WATER THERE.
LIMMER NORTH OF LIMMER IS JONAH.
SO THE CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER.
BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT THOUGH.
'CAUSE WHEN WE'RE IN STAGE THREE WATER RESTRICTIONS, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHOSE WATER IS WET.
AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT.
IS THIS WATER BEING RECYCLED? YEAH.
IN THE CAR WASH CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
THE MANUFACTURERS WILL KNOW THAT.
UM, 75% OF THE WATER IS RECYCLED.
WE'LL HAVE UNDERGROUND TANKS THAT RECYCLE THE WATER IFIED.
ALSO JOINING US CONVEY THE, THERE'S TWO DOWN THE STREET, THE CAR WASH.
SO THE AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE BETWEEN THE OWNER AND, OKAY.
SO I THINK MY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS 75%, THAT'S A HUGE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE ISN'T IT LIKE A HUNDRED GALLONS PER CAR WASH PER LIKE EVERY TIME A CAR GOES THROUGH THERE, ISN'T IT A HUNDRED GALLONS OR 115 I THINK IS WHAT I READ SOMEWHERE.
OF EXPERTISE, BUT DO WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR.
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CYCLE.YEAH, BUT THAT'S STILL MM-HMM.
IF THAT'S A TRUE ACCURATE NUMBER, THAT'S STILL 25 GALLONS PER CAR THAT YOU'RE GOES AWAY.
HOW MANY 70 GALLONS PER CAR? SEVEN OR 7 77 0 7.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 20 GALLONS GOING INTO THE GROUND.
AND HOW MANY CAR RUSHES WE HAVE IN THAT AREA? TWO.
WELL THERE'S ONE, LIKE WE'VE GOT ONE ON ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE DOWN BY UM, HOME DEPOT.
WAIT, WHAT? BECAUSE THERE'RE, AND ISN'T THERE ONE INSIDE OF THE, UH, WHERE THE, THERE'S ONE ON, ON 1660 NORTH, BUT THERE'S ALSO ONE IN INSIDE OF THE, UM, WHERE THE RV'S ARE PARKED.
THERE'S THERE'S A CAR WASH IN THERE TOO.
I MEAN THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ONE ON THE OTHER TWO CORNERS OF THE SAME INTERSECTION.
UM, ARE YOU MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE WATER USE OR THE WASTEWATER? BOTH THOUGHT THE, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
MY THOUGHT WITH THE WASTEWATER, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THIS.
IS THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY A WAY, I KNOW LIKE YOU SAID, 75% OF IT'S ALREADY RECYCLED.
I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO RECYCLE THE REST TO SOME WAY, AT LEAST TO DISCHARGE IT INTO STORM WATER VERSUS WASTEWATER.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT WELL YOU'RE NE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO RECYCLE ALL OF IT.
BUT YOU, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE THAT EVEN IN STAGE THREE COMMERCIAL, UM, CAR WASHES ARE EXEMPT.
WELL I KNOW THAT'S WHY I AM BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THAT'S 20 GALLONS PER CAR.
I CAN'T WATER MY TREES AND I LOSE MY TREES.
YOUR CAR
HAVE YOUR CLIENTS REALLY THOUGHT THIS OUT ABOUT PUTTING THAT THERE? THEY REALLY THOUGHT IT OUT.
I JUST PERSONALLY, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT GOING IN THERE MYSELF WITH THE OTHER TWO RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
UM, AND I, I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT WATER USAGE TOO.
UH, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE HAVING $400 WATER BILLS.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR, YOUR CLIENT'S PROBLEM.
BUT, UM, I DUNNO, THIS IS TOUGH BECAUSE I JUST, WOW.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE WE'RE GONNA, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE BOTH SIDES HERE.
I'M TRYING TO BE A REALIST TOO.
THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW CAR WASHES ARE POPPING UP EVERYWHERE.
I SEE THEM COMING IN ALL THE TIME AND I WONDER WHY THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHEN THERE'S ONE LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY.
OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE USING THEM OR THEY WOULDN'T COME UP.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO POSSIBLY THINK ABOUT AT BIGGER SCALE.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO PROVIDE AN SUP FOR EACH TIME.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S SOMETHING WE MAYBE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IN A BIGGER PERSPECTIVE TO POSSIBLY DECIDE IF THERE'S A CERTAIN SATURATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW, UM, FROM A PLANNING SIDE.
UM, OR SOMETHING WE COULD BE ABSORBED IN SOME PART OF FEES UP FRONT, LIKE A WATER USAGE FEE DEPENDING ON ZONING AND SPECIFIC WATER USE.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE FEES AREN'T OUTSIDE THIS COUNCIL OR COMMISSION'S.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE IS IF IT'S JONAH WATER, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE FEE ANYWAY
BECAUSE JONAH WILL GET THE OTHER WATER FEE.
LIKE IF WE'RE SAYING LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH DENTISTS AND NAIL SALONS, WHEN DO WE SAY WE HAVE ENOUGH CAR WASHES? WELL, SO I, I WILL CAVEAT FOR THE SAKE OF STAFF OVER THERE.
I I, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN LIMIT.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN'T SAY THAT THERE CAN'T BE MORE DENTISTS BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED IN A CERTAIN ZONING.
SO THEY CAN COME IN AS MUCH AS THEY WANT.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT IS THE POINT IN.
BUT FOR THIS, SINCE IT'S AN SUP, WE CAN THINK IF WE WANT TO RESTRICT THE NUMBER.
WHAT IS THIS DISTANCE? IF THERE IS A VEHICLE AT THIS GAS PUMP, CAN A VEHICLE PASS BY IT?
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PROBABLY NOT.WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE 48 FEET FROM THE CANOPY TO THE STREET.
45 FROM THE CANOPY TO THIS CURB CUT OR WHATEVER.
SIGNIFICANTLY LESS HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 OR SO UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY WHEN YOU GET UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY.
BUT IF THERE'S A BIG VEHICLE THAT ON THE END, LET'S SAY A FORD F TWO 50 PARKED HERE GETTING GAS, WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH? YES.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY'S TANK IS AT THE REAR OF THEIR CAR.
THIS SIDE, THIS SIDE LOOKS A LOT BETTER.
BUT SECOND PIECE IS, I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY THIS IS ALIGNED TO SQUARE WITH THE ATMOS EASEMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE ROADS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF NORTHEAST OR UH, NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST AS OPPOSED TO SQUARED.
IF IT WERE SQUARED AND WE WERE TO PUSH THE ACTUAL CONVENIENCE STORE PORTION MORE INTO THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THERE WOULD BE ROOM WELL IN EXCESS OF 50 FEET FOR THE CAR WASH MACHINERY ALONG THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE PARALLEL SPOTS ARE.
I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WOULD BE IT CLOCKWISE THE CAR, THE CARWASH MACHINERY SHOULD 30 40 BUILDING COULD BE HERE IF THIS IS NOT ALIGNED.
YEAH, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE ENTRANCE UP HERE.
BUT IF YOU PUT THE, BUT IF YOU THAT THIS IS BLOCKING, BUT IF YOU PUT THE CAR WASH OVER HERE, YOU'RE BLOCKING, YOU'RE GOING TO FACT STACK ENTRANCE.
YOU COULD DIVIDE THE CAR WASH DOWN HERE.
IF THIS IS NOT ALIGNED THIS WAY, I THINK THE BIG PROBLEM.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING TURN IT, TURN IT.
THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS LOT IS THIS ALIGNMENT.
IF IT'S NORTH SOUTH INSTEAD OF NORTHEAST OR NORTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, IF IT'S THIS WAY AND PUSHED UP, YOU HAVE ROOM TO GET VEHICLES THROUGH.
ALL VEHICLES ARE BEING FUELED.
YOU HAVE ROOM FOR THE CAR WASH THAT DOESN'T IMPEDE ENTRY OR EXIT ON EITHER SIDE.
BUT I ALSO, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ALIGNED THIS WAY, THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN PUT THE CAR WASH IS IN THE BACK CORNER WITHIN 50 FEET OF A RESIDENCE.
BUT I ALSO DID YOUR, DID YOUR CLIENT LOOK AT THAT POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT? AND CAN I ASK WHY DID THEY GO AGAINST THAT? THERE ARE MANY VARIABLES AT PLAY HERE.
UM, WITH ADEQUATE DRIVE ALL ACCESS AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH THAT PORTION TO THE SOUTHWEST.
SO IT DOES ALLOW ADEQUATE ACCESS TO GET THROUGH THAT AREA.
UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINT OF THE EASEMENT, IT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY, ANYTHING MORE THAN PAVING OR FLAT WORK TO BE DONE OVER THE EASEMENT.
THIS REALLY IS THAT YOU ONLY CONFIGURATION THAT WE COME UP WITH THAT ALLOWS THE DIMENSIONS TO WORK.
SO RICK, I I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH IS YOU ALSO CANNOT PUT THE FUEL STATIONS IN THE EASEMENT EITHER.
AND THE ONLY WAY, BASED ON THE STACKING DISTANCE ALSO REQUIRED FOR THE CAR WASH, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE STATING THAT'S ELIMINATE BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO STACK THAT MANY CARS ON THE EAST SIDE AND STILL ALLOW THE DRIVE LANE TO EXIT.
UM, UNLESS YOU WOULD PUT THE STACKING TO THE SOUTH.
IF THE BUILDING AND THE FUEL PUMPS WERE PUSHED NORTHWEST, THEN YOUR STACKING LANE WOULD BE ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE AND THE OKAY.
AND THEN TURN TO THE EASTERN EDGE.
YOU, YOU HEAD OUT THE NORTH, YOU TAKE YOUR TURN AND THERE YOU GO.
I ALSO, I'M, UH, I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD, MOST BUSINESS OWNERS WOULD GO WITH THAT, WITH A VISUALLY BLOCKING THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE BY A CAR WASH.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE VISUALLY BLOCKING THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS.
THE SIGNAGE IS ON THE AWNING OVER THE GAS PUMP, WHICH SHOULD BE IN EXCESS OF ANY TRUE SCREENING.
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I, I JUST, I LOOK AT THIS AND I KIND OF GO, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER OPTION.AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF THIS AGAIN? SEVEN TO NINE NINE.
MOST CAR WASHES ARE SEVEN TO SEVEN.
MINE IS, WELL MAYBE THEY'RE, MAYBE THEY'RE ALLOWED SEVEN TO NINE, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED SEVEN TO NINE.
BASED ON CODE YOU'D BE ALLOWED 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM YEAH.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE TIMES.
WELL I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, 'CAUSE KIDS GO TO BED BETWEEN EIGHT AND EIGHT 30 A LOT OF TIMES.
AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY GOING IN AND WASHING THEIR CAR AND VACUUMING IT AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR 8 45 AT NIGHT AND YOU'VE GOT A PARENT WHO'S COMPLETELY STRESSED OUT BECAUSE THEIR KID'S NOT WANTING TO GO TO BED AND SOMEONE STARTS UP THAT VACUUM AND I, I KNOW I WOULD PERSONALLY GO OUT SCREAMING AT SOMEBODY
WELL, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE REALLY GONNA HEAR THE VACUUM CLEANERS.
AS, AS TO WHERE THEY HAVE 'EM NOW THAT'S GONNA BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENCE.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THE BLOWER YEAH.
ON THE CAR WASH MACHINERY BECAUSE THAT ARE SUPER LOUD.
ARE LOUD GOING THROUGH THE CAR WASH YOU'LL HEAR.
IT'S A, IT'S A I KNOW BUT IT'S A, I'M SO SORRY.
IT'S A LOVELY DAY TODAY AND MAYBE THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR WINDOWS OPEN AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA HEAR WHAT SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL JET.
WE HAVE A CAR WASH THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOUSE BUT LIKE 50 FEET.
BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEIR BLOWERS ON THE, THE EDGE SIDE, THE OTHER END ON THE EDGE SCHMIDT SIDE.
THIS BLOWER IS GOING TO BE THE CLOSEST PART TO THE HOUSE, TO THE RESIDENTIAL.
LIKE I SAID, I, YEAH, I JUST SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS LAYOUT.
I THINK IT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS, BUT THIS JUST DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT WORKS.
I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE FENCING BECAUSE IF WE'RE REALLY ONLY PUTTING A SIX FOOT MASONRY FENCE WALL, WHATEVER THERE, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BUFFER ANYTHING.
EVEN LIGHTING, IT'S BARELY GONNA BUFFER LIGHTING.
IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, LIKE THE BLOWER HAS TO ACCOMMODATE A LIFTED THE CAR WASH MACHINERY HAS TO ACCOMMODATE A LIFTED TRUCK.
SO THE BLOWER IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE THAN SIX FOOT IN THE AIR TO START WITH.
BUT WE CAN'T EVEN REQUIRE OVER EIGHT FEET, SO.
I MEAN EVEN IF WE WANTED TO DO A MAX OF EIGHT, IT'S STILL, I MEAN WE CAN REQUEST IT BUT IT'S PER CODE.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT OVER EIGHT FEET.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I HAD IS THIS, ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WAS A COMMUNITY NODE.
MEANS THERE IS NO LONGER ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, NOT MUCH OF A COMMUNITY NODE IN MY OPINION.
I WOULD UH, SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS ALREADY PROVIDED THE ZONING, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO MEET THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
IT'S MORE WE'RE USING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN WE ARE CREATING THE ZONING.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT OUR UDC LACKS IN THE CONNECTIVITY INDEX THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH, WHICH IS PART OF THE, THE PAGES THAT I SENT YOU OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THE UDC FAIL TO THEN ENACT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND THE LONG-TERM PLANS OF THE CITY.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY ON THIS ONE, I THINK WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO GO BACK AND THEN SAY, THIS NOW HAS TO BE COMMUNITY NOTES.
'CAUSE THIS WAS ZONED I BELIEVE ABOUT 18 MONTHS, NEARLY TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN BEING APPROVED.
UM, SO COULD WE ASK FOR PEDESTRIAN ONLY ACCESS? YOU KNOW, PUT A CONCRETE BARRIER IN THE MIDDLE OF IT IF YOU WANT.
BUT PEDESTRIAN ONLY ACCESS FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC IN THAT WALL, IN THAT MASONRY WALL THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE.
THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN GO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? I MEAN SO, SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THE ONE LIMMER, LIMBER C STORE? YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ONE CITIZENS' COMMENT WAS ADDRESSING.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS ABOUT CARS.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT PEDESTRIANS.
I THINK THERE IS BENEFIT OF HAVING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING COMMERCIAL RIGHT.
CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL IS YOU CAN ACCESS IT.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD HESITATE WITH THAT IS THAT I WOULD ALMOST RECOMMEND INSTEAD OF JUST DECIDING THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO POSSIBLY THAT THE DEVELOPER REALLY NEEDS TO TALK TO THE HOA OR THE RESIDENCES TO SEE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
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SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALL ABOUT THAT AND THEY'RE LIKE MM-HMM.NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GONNA BE LIKE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING IN HERE.
SO I WOULD, I THINK ABOUT THE C STORES ON LIMMER LOOP AND, AND ON 1660 AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK FOR ONE.
AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING TO AND FROM THE C STORE.
THE OTHER TWO DON'T AND THEY'RE WALKING ON THE ROAD.
IF I LIVED THERE I WOULD ABSOLUTELY PUT A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE RESIDENTS POTENTIALLY WANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOME WE CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REALLY STATE THAT THOUGH.
UM, I WAS GONNA GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT WHERE YOU WERE WANTING TO SHIFT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT'S ON HEATHER WILD IN PFLUGERVILLE PARKWAY AND IT'S THE W BAG RIGHT THERE AND IT'S UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME SIZE TYPE PARKING LOT.
AND IT'S GOT THE CAR WASH ON THE FAR CLOSEST TO THE ROAD AND THEN IT'S GOT THE GAS STATION AND THEN THE THINGS ARE IN FRONT.
AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF IS THIS JUST, IF THE OWNER IS WORRIED ABOUT, OH THAT'S GOING GOING TO HIDE MY GAS PUMPS.
I THINK WE GOT BIGGER ISSUES YEAH.
AND IT BACKS UP TO A CUL-DE-SAC NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
AND THEY'RE, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF.
SO I, I JUST WANTED THOUGH THIS OUT TO THE STAFF THOUGH TO ASK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE ART OF WHAT WE CAN ASK HERE.
BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS AN SUP ABOUT THE CAR WASH.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SPECIFICALLY DICTATE HOW THEY CONFIGURE THEIR SPECIFIC PLACEMENT OF THE REST OF THE ITEMS. THE, THE BUILDING, THE PUMPS.
ALL WE CAN I THINK DICTATE IS YES OR NO ON THE CAR WASH AND POTENTIALLY YES OR NO ON PLACEMENT OF THE CAR WASH POTENTIALLY.
BUT WE CAN'T DICTATE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR THE PUMPS.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED AND THEY CAN PLACE IT HOW THEY'D LIKE.
SO IF THE CAR WAS, WAS REMOVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS FOR THOSE, THE CANOPY, UM, 'CAUSE YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS AROUND IT.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T BE SEEING THIS ANYWAY.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD JUST APPROVED A COACH.
SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SUP, YOU CAN THEN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED YOU TO HAVE YOUR SETBACKS, UM, AS ADOPTED IN THE UDC AND YOU CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
UM, YOU CAN MAKE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, UM, THE USE OF THE CAR WASH COMES IN BECAUSE THIS IS TRULY ABOUT THE USE BECAUSE THAT USE WILL NOT GO AWAY ONCE IT'S, IT'S ALLOWED, IT RUNS WITH THE LAND.
UM, SO YOU COULD MAKE CONDITIONS BASED ON THE USE OF THE CAR WASH AND WHERE YOU'D WANNA SEE THAT LOCATED.
IF THAT IN TURN CHANGES HOW THE REST OF THE SITE IS LAID OUT.
THAT ESSENTIALLY I THINK WOULD BE ALLOWED JUST BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, SO YOU COULD DO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, YOU CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND TABLE AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY NO.
SO THERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST.
THERE IS NO STATUTORY CONFORMANCE, THERE'S NOTHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR AN SEP.
UH, SPECIFICALLY ON WARN AND ON AT SCHMIDT.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE? THE LITTLE ARROW THING? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, I'M SO ARE THEY GONNA DO SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY THAT WAY? YES.
SO BY THE PLA THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AT ALL STREET SIDES.
UM, I'M, I'VE GOTTA BLOW UP ON THIS ONE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, NO, BECAUSE I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED.
BUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MUCH ROOM FOR SIDEWALKS.
AND PER THE LEGEND, THAT IS NOT THE SIDEWALK.
SIX FEET, MAYBE SIX FEET WIDE.
YOU SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM EDGE SCHMIDT HEADING NEW WEST TO THE RETAIL.
OH, THEY'RE SAYING THAT SHOWS SIX FEET.
YEAH, IT SAYS SIX FEET RIGHT THERE.
AND IT SHOWS, THOSE ARE ARROWS ARE CALLED FLOW ARROWS PER THE LEGEND.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UM, IT'S MODELED WITH A, LIKE A CONCRETE STRUCTURE.
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SO THERE'S A CROSSWALK LABELED F SO THAT IS A FLOW OF TRAFFIC.AND I WOULD NO, YOU'RE TO TRAFFIC.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ADAM, CAN YOU COME UP AND ANSWER THAT FOR THEM? BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT I HAVE IT UP ON MY COMPUTER AS IT WAS LABELED F AND YOUR SIDEWALKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LABELED E.
BUT AGAIN, WE WERE STILL IN REVIEW FOR THE SITE PLAN.
SO I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT IS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, F IS A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK.
AND THEN H IT'S THE ADDI KNOW SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT LINES UP WITH THE SITE PLAN THOUGH, THAT SHE HAS I DO.
F IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, BUT E IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONCRETE SIDEWALK FOR THE, UM, DETAIL.
AND I'M NOT SAYING E CALLED OUT.
BUT THEN THAT PUTS THE VACUUM.
ONE THING IS IF THEY TURN THIS EVEN RIGHT HERE MM-HMM.
CREATING PROBLEMS WITH THAT AREA.
SO YES, THAT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK AS IT SHOWS THAT ACCESS IF THEY PUT IT HERE SO THEY COULD PUT VACUUMS HERE.
AND IS THAT I'M NOT HAVING SIDE SIDEWALK PARKING OVER HERE.
I, I'M, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN.
IS THAT RIGHT? UP AGAINST THE RIGHT OF WAY? MM-HMM.
IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU SEE THE, THE SINGLE LINE OR EDGE SCHMIDT, THAT'S THE ROAD.
THE, AND YOU COULD EVEN, YOU COULD EVEN HAVE THIS MOVE HERE AND PUT VACUUMS ALONG THIS SIDE.
OF WAY FOR ROADS IN THE FUTURE.
AND PUTTING A, A SIDEWALK, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D GET YOUR TWO SET NEXT TO THE ROAD.
IT'S HARD TO TELL IF FROM A LEGEND HERE, BUT RIGHT.
CAN WE, CAN COULD FIVE OR SIX CAN CONFIRM WHICH OF THOSE LINES IS THE RIGHT WAY.
BUILDINGS HAVE ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX.
I'M GONNA STAND UP, BUT GIMME A SECOND.
WELL LET, LET, LET'S ALSO VERIFY THE RIGHT OF WAY SIDEWALK QUESTION TOO, BEFORE WE, YOU'RE READING THAT CORRECTLY THAT THE DARKER BLACK LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT THINNER LINE THAT COMES AROUND, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THERE'S STILL SPACE THAT'S BETTER.
SO THERE WAS A SMALL SLIVER OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS PROVIDED WITH THE PLAT ALONG LIMMER.
THERE WAS NONE PROVIDED ALONG EDGE SCHMIDT.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY PROVIDED IN AT ITS FULL WIDTH.
UM, SO THAT COULD END UP, SIDEWALKS ARE TYPICALLY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT WOULD BE STANDARD TO HAVE A SIDEWALK WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OR AT LEAST BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE PUE YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S ALSO 2050 ON HERE.
I'M JUST WELL AWARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE UPGRADING THESE INTERSECTIONS.
AND WE'RE GONNA NEED EVERY INCH OF RIGHT OF WAY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS NECESSARY ON LIMMER WAS PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THE PLATFORM.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THIS LINE, NOT THIS LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE DARKER LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS TODAY.
BUT YES, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IS THE, THE DARKER LINE WOULD BE THE EXTENT OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY'RE NO LONGER GONNA RIP SIDEWALKS OUT IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT,
JUST GONNA SHOW YOU HOW MUCH I KNOW ABOUT CAR WASHES.
WHY? I MEAN, COULD YOU TAKE THE CAR WASH, PUT IT HERE, PUT VACUUMS HERE AND PUT VACUUMS HERE? YOU GOT VACUUMS AGAINST THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA CREATE THAT MUCH NOISE THAT ALLEVIATES ALL THIS STILL GIVES YOU A CAR WASH AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY STACKING, UH, STACK STACKING WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.
FROM THE OTHER SIDE STACKING WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED ALONG THE NORTH.
THEY CAN'T PUT IT SOUTH OF THIS, THAT DOTTED LINE BECAUSE THE GAS, IT'S A GAS LINE EASEMENT, GAS LINE PIPELINE ATMOS.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THAT MACHINERY OVER THERE.
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EASEMENT FROM THE PIPELINE.I I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THE PIPELINE.
SO GOING BACK TO WHERE YOU'RE STRESSED ABOUT THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LIMMER UM, NEEDS TO BE WIDENED? THERE'S A RIDEAWAY THERE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH AND THERE'S NOT MUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE EITHER.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH RIDEAWAY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET? IS THERE ENOUGH TO MAKE IT A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY? UM, IF THERE SHOULD BE ON THAT OTHER SIDE RIGHT OF WAY VARIES, BUT I BELIEVE FOR THE MOST PART IT IS AROUND 90 FEET SOLID, SOLID FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY MINIMUM PER THE PLAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A, ON THE OTHER SIDE, 90 FEET, NO, 90 FEET TOTAL WITH A SMALL SLIVER PROVIDED IN THE PLATT ON THIS NORTH SIDE, BUT THE SOUTH SIDE BUILT TO THE, UM, THAT OTHER GAS STATION BUILT TO THE F TO THE EXTENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
BECAUSE THEN IF YOU'RE HAVING TO TAKE UP SOME LAND SPACE FROM EITHER OF THESE PLACES, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE ANY LAND FROM THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THE, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE, YOUR LITTLE CORNER THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT COME BY.
WHAT IS, LIKE I SAID, WE NEED EVERY INCH MM-HMM.
'CAUSE AT SOME POINT WARD'S GOING TO BE WIDENED.
MINIMUM, MINIMUM OF FOUR LANES.
LIKELY FIVE, AT LEAST A TURN LANE, LIKELY FIVE OR MEDIAN.
WELL I SEE THERES, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW HOW MUCH RIGHT OF AWAY'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THIS.
SO LIMMER LOOP IS SUPPOSED TO BE A MINOR COLLECTOR.
UM, THAT WOULDN'T, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THAT IN WITHIN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
TO ME, I'D LIKE TO DEFINE WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
WHERE DID THOSE TWO SIT? I DON'T KNOW.
UH, THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION.
A 17 INCH, I I WOULD'VE GUESSED MINOR ARTERIAL, NOT MINOR COLLECTOR.
SO MINOR COLLECTORS ARE TYPICALLY, UM, UDC STANDARD WOULD BE 70 FEET.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE IT, IF THEY HAVE 90 OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT UPGRADED.
SO THERE IS ENOUGH RIDE OF WAY THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THOSE PLATS.
BUT AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU, FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS ONLY TO DISCUSS THE USE OF THE CAR WASH.
BUT IF WE, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE THE CAR WASH OTHER STUFF, PROBABLY B DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE CAR WASH RIGHT.
NO, BUT, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK GRAND SCHEME THINGS.
'CAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE CAR WASH OVER NEXT TO THE DETENTION POND.
AND SO I'M LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF OUR I'S DOTTED T'S CROSSED.
WHAT I WOULD OF YOU IS WHAT WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM.
IF THERE'S ANY OTHER OPTIONS, STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED THAT STAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO VET.
AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT.
NO, I, YEAH, SORRY NOT TO, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFECT IT WITH THE SUP ANYWAY, BUT COMMISSIONER MORRIS BROUGHT UP A POINT BASED ON THE LEGEND THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON THE LEGEND WOULD ACTUALLY BE THAT THICKER LINE THAT IS ADJACENT DIRECTLY TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE EXTENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT SMALLER LINE IS THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S CONFUSING WHEN YOU SAY, SO THAT SMALLER LINE IS THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT RIGHT NOW.
EDGE OF PAVE YOU'VE SPACE, YOU'VE, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT MEANS THEN THE FEATURE ALLOWED RIGHT OF WAY IS A BUDDING DIRECTLY UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
TO THE SIDEWALK THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN.
AND NOW IF WE EXTEND THAT FULLY, WE ARE NO LONGER HAVING TRANSITION POINTS AT EITHER ONE OF THESE ENTRANCES.
NOW WE HAVE THE ACTUAL CURVE TRANSITION TO GET INTO THE LOCATION.
IT IS GOING TO NOW BE A DIRECT IT A SQUARE.
IT'LL BE JUST A SQUARE ENTRANCE.
SO AGAIN, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE, UM, IS NOT ALWAYS THE CURB LINE.
SO THAT THICK LINE IS NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE EXACTLY WHERE YOUR CURBS GOING.
SO YOUR SIDEWALK WILL BE IN THERE.
YOU'LL HAVE SOME OTHER, UM, YOU'LL HAVE OTHER THINGS WITHIN THAT
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FULL RIGHT OF WAY.UM, WHAT THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR IS ACTUALLY A FIVE FOOT PLANTER STRIP AND THEN A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.
UM, ADJACENT TO, I MEAN GRANTED MINE COLLECTORS ALSO PROVIDE ON-STREET PARKING.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS MOBILITY MASTER PLAN WAS DOING WITH LIMMER BEING A MINOR COLLECTOR.
YOU NEED TO READ THAT AT SOME POINT.
YOU ON STREET PARKING ON LIMMER, UM, ON STREETE PARKING ON LIMMER.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A STRANGE ONE.
UM, SO I DO KNOW THAT WITH THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT REVISING ALL OF THIS.
I THINK THAT WAS ON THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, AND THAT COMES OUT OF MATT RECTOR, THE CITY ENGINEERS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE AGENDA AGAIN BECAUSE WE WILL BE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS LIKELY WITH THIS GROUP ABOUT THAT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING THIS YEAR.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE ARE GONNA BE CLARIFIED.
BUT CERTAINLY WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS THAT LIMMER LOOP AND EDGE SCHMIDT, GRANTED, EDGE SCHMIDT IS NOT OUR STREET.
IT IS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE MOSTLY JUST A COUNTY STREET.
WE HAVE THE FULL WIDTH OF RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
AND THEN ALONG LIMMER WE ALSO HAVE THE FULL WIDTH OF RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT OCCURS WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY AS FAR AS A SIDEWALK PLACEMENT? MM-HMM.
UM, I'LL BE, I DON'T HAVE A STAMP, BUT I'M GONNA PRETEND LIKE I DO AND THEN WE CAN, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLACE WITHIN THAT FULL RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AS THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN STANDS, 70 OR SO FEET PER THE UDC WAS SUFFICIENT FOR MINOR COLLECTOR.
WE KNOW WE HAVE AROUND 90, UM, PER THE MOST RECENT PLAT.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT EVERYTHING.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW THAT PUZZLE WORKS OUT WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT FULLY UNDERSTOOD, HAVING, UM, SIDEWALKS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RIGHTS OF WAY EVEN IN MUCH LESS VOLUME IS CONCERNING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF DOES NOT TYPICALLY LIKE TO SEE.
IT CERTAINLY HAPPENS IN SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IN THE NEWER, EVEN JUST NEWER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, UM, RESIDENTIAL STREETS, IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WITH SOME SIDEWALK PROGRAMS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT OF WHERE WE WANT THAT CONNECTIVITY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WILL BE SOMETHING COMING UP FOR FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE KNOW AT LEAST WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS.
NOW I I APPRECIATE THAT THOROUGH EXPLANATION AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S JUST MORE OF A FUTURE CONCERN.
I KNOW THE SIDEWALK, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT RIPPING SIDEWALKS OUT ANYMORE IN THIS CITY EVER AGAIN.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
UM, BUT ALSO THAT TR LIKE I SAID, THAT TRANSITION POINT THAT WILL POSSIBLY NOT BE THERE IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE TO DO A FULL BUILD OUT.
ESPECIALLY IF WE ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE ON SOUTHBOUND ED SCHMIDT, WHICH WE'LL NEED IN THE FUTURE, THEN WE WILL BE PROBABLY MAXING OUT THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY ACTUAL, UM, FLARE TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT ENTRANCE.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT AWARE NOW, UM, WHICH AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY AFFECT THAT WITH THE SUP, BUT YEAH, EXACTLY.
I I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFECT IT WITH THE SUP BUT IF WE DO NOT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THE CAR WASH BEING LESS THAN 50 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THEN THIS PLAN GOES OUT THE WINDOW.
THEY COULD STILL DO THE C STORE WITH THE GAS STATION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THEY CAN STILL DO IT, BUT NO CAR WASH.
SO IF WE WERE TO PUT A CONDITION THAT THE CAR WASH IS LESS OR IS GREATER THAN 50 FEET PER THE UDC, THEN THEY HAVE TO REVAMP THEIR PLAN.
BUT THEY WOULD BE APPROVED AS LONG AS IT'S FURTHER AWAY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW THIS, FROM WHAT IT'S SHOWN HERE, THE STAFF CONDITION OF APPROVAL READS IS THAT IT WOULD JUST NEED TO MEET THE CONDITIONS, UM, SET FORTH IN THE UDC AS FAR AS A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONED DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ANY OF THE OTHER MINOR THINGS, I MEAN, VACUUMS ARE AN OPTION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REQUIRED, BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE CODE.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO TAKE THAT OPTION AWAY IF THAT'S SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A CONDITION OR A PERFORMANCE STANDARD DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE PROVIDED WITH ASUP.
I LIKE VACUUMS. I WOULDN'T TAKE THAT AWAY.
NO, I, I WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE VACUUMS. I THINK THIS, I THINK EVERYTHING CAN FIT ON THIS LOT AND IT CAN FLOW VERY WELL WITH SOME RECONSIDERATION.
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AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE WATER FLOW DYNAMICS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST THE PLACEMENT OF THESE AND I DON'T KNOW, COULD WE DO, CAN WE DO A CONDITION FOR UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD IT, INVESTIGATION INTO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS? I WOULD SAY SIMILAR TO A PRIOR COMMISSION OR SORRY, A PRIOR COMMENT BY A COM, AN ACTIVE COMMISSION MEMBER.I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WE GOT.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DISCUSSED WITH STAFF HAD WE GOTTEN CALLS 'CAUSE IT WAS NOT, UH, PROPOSED WITHIN THE ORIGINAL.
UM, CERTAINLY YOU CAN, BUT IT COULD BE, I WOULD SUGGEST SOMETHING OF GO BACK, TALK TO THAT HOA, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SEE WHERE THAT ENDS UP.
UM, I WOULDN'T SAY TO CONDITION A CONNECTION WITH WITHOUT WHO THE CAR RUSH HAVING.
ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT WE'VE HAD A DIRECT COMMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD NEED FURTHER INVESTIGATION JUST TO MAKE SURE EVEN THAT THEY COULD MAKE IT WORK.
BUT ALSO THAT THAT'S WHAT THOSE RESIDENTS WANT.
BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, I MEAN EVERYBODY WITHIN 600 FEET.
SO IF THAT WAS GOING TO OCCUR AND WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS OR AT LEAST HAVE STAFF AWARE OF THOSE DETAILS.
SO WHEN WE'RE GETTING QUESTIONS RIGHT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S THE GIST OF THE PROJECT AND THEN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN COVERED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
'CAUSE WHEN WE GET CALLS, WE TELL THEM, THIS IS WHEN THE PACKET GOES LIVE.
THIS IS WHEN YOU WILL SEE, UM, THE DETAILS.
UNLESS THEY WANNA COME UP AND LOOK AT THEM IN ADVANCE.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, WITH ANY OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CALLED WE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
WELL THE, THE, UM, THE AGENDA ITEM IS JUST TO, IS A PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO ALL I'VE HEARD IS THE CONDITION OF GREATER THAN 50 FOOT FROM RESIDENTIAL.
ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? IF I WERE TO VOTE NO ON THIS, DO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH A REVISED PLAN OR THE CAR WASH IF VOTE NO.
IF I WERE TO, IF WE WERE TO VOTE NO FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT NOW, COULD THEY COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THIS LATER AND WE COULD REVOTE AT THAT TIME? OKAY.
I'M SEEING HEADS NOT SO I'M THINKING THAT'S A YES YOU CAN.
'CAUSE THIS ISN'T A VARIANT SO THEY DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT.
BUT KEEP IN, KEEP IN MIND SAY THAT GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE.
I FORGOT YOUR NAME, I'M SORRY.
HE, UH, HE'S ALREADY TOLD US THAT THEY LOOKED AT ALL POSSIBILITIES AND THIS IS WHAT THEY FIGURED WOULD BE THE BEST FOR, FOR THAT.
BUT JUST KEEP THAT WHAT THEY FIGURED GOES AGAINST THE UDC.
WHAT THEY FIGURED IS BEST GOES AGAINST THE UDC.
WELL, SO EITHER THAT'S NOT THE, NOT NOT THE, THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE FOR ASKING FOR A SPECIAL.
AND IF WE KEEP GIVING EXCEPTIONS, WHAT ELSE IS GONNA COME DOWN THE ROAD? IS MY THAT'S TRUE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT ONE.
CAN I JUST MAKE SURE OVERALL WE HAVE CLARIFICATION HERE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS TO ADD A CAR WASH PERIOD.
THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR.
IS FOR THE CONDITION THAT THE STAFF IS ADDING, IS THE 50 FOOT AWAY FROM THE BOUNDARY OF THE SSF ONE AREA? THAT IS WHAT THE CONDITION IS.
HOWEVER, I THINK IT WAS ALREADY STATED, IF I MISSED THAT, CORRECT ME THAT IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY 40 FEET FROM ACTUAL OR 30 31.
31 FROM THE ACTUAL SSF ONE BOUNDARY.
IT IS DEFINITELY MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOME.
63 FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOME.
SO IS IT ALREADY AGAINST WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER ONE STAFF CONDITION IS? SO I WILL REITERATE THAT THE STAFF CONDITION IS ONLY STATING WITH THAT CODE TEN TWO OH SEVEN 0.3.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
STAFF IS CONDITIONING THAT THE USE MEETS THE CODE.
BECAUSE THIS BOARD CANNOT PROVIDE A VARIANCE.
UM, THAT WOULD, THE ONLY VARIANCES THAT WERE EVER PROVIDED AS FAR AS WHAT P AND Z OR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN HOLD WOULD BE THE SIGN VARIANCES, WHICH YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY GET ONE BY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT, UM, OTHERWISE IT HAS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IT HAS TO FOLLOW STATE LAW WITH THE CRITERIA
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IS THE SELF-IMPOSED.THERE'S A LOT OTHER WORK THAT HAS TO GO INTO A VARIANCE.
SO I'M JUST STATING THAT IN THE SENSE OF THAT REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS APPROVING THE SUP REALLY TO ALLOW A CAR WASH.
THAT'S A LOT FOR THEM TO PHYSICALLY PUT IT WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING HERE, THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO GO TO ZBA.
TO GET A VARIANCE THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A REQUEST THERE AS WELL.
TO ACTUALLY PUT IT WHERE THEY'RE CONSIDERING PLACING IT RIGHT NOW.
JUST, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CLEAR ON WHAT THAT IS.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND REQUEST A MOTION.
OH, LET'S SEE HOW TO WORD THIS.
YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THE SAME WAY.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SUP TO COUNSEL WITH THE CONDITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE UDC 10.307, 0.6 0.3 IS ADHERED TO.
UH, CAN WE ADD A COMMENT FROM PNC? NO.
UH, WASN'T SURE IF THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL OR NOT.
UM, THEY SAID, SO I WOULD ADD THAT IF THEY WANT THE CAR WASH WHERE IT APPEARS ON THE SITE PLAN, THAT MUST BE APPROVED BY ZBA, MAKING IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WE'RE NOT APPROVING WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
BUT MAKING COUNCIL AWARE THAT YEAH, WE KNOW ABOUT IT.
SECOND
SINCE THAT WAS 25 MINUTES AGO.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER HUDSON.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SUP REQUEST UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE UDC POINT 10.30 7.63 IS ADHERED TO.
AND IF THEY WANT THE CAR WASH WHERE IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN ZDA MUST APPROVE IT AND THE VACUUM HOURS MUST COMPLY WITH UDC STATED HOURS SEVEN TO NINE.
SEVEN TO NINE SEVEN AS SEVEN TO NINE 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM MM-HMM.
UM, JUST MAYBE A CORRECTION YOU REFERENCED SECTION 10.30 7.6 0.3 MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF REVIEW.
YOU OKAY? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
FIVE AYES TO NO MOTION PASSES.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH TO REPORT OTHER THAN WHILE THIS WAS IN DISCUSSION, I HAVE SENT YOU ALL ON EMAIL TO CLARIFY ON A PRIOR ITEM THAT THE PUD DOES STATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERIMETER WALL AND IT WILL BE SOLID.
AND I SENT YOU THAT INFORMATION.
UM, AS PART OF I JUST BCC'D YOU ALSO, PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO ALL 'CAUSE I DIDN'T PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
UM, OTHERWISE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MAIN UPDATE I HAVE JUST BECAUSE IT'S UM, A PART OF THIS MEETING.
OTHERWISE, I KNOW I GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION THIS TIME.
SO WE HAVE HAD SOME STATE LAWS.
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THEY DON'T REALLY AFFECT US BUT SOME OF THEM REALLY DO.SO WE ARE GONNA BE HAVING SOME BIGGER CONVERSATIONS BUT PART OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE AS PART OF THAT UDC DIAGNOSTIC WAS ALSO REFERENCING A LOT OF THOSE LAWS THAT HAD JUST BEEN PASSED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE I WANTED YOU TO HAVE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS AT THE SAME TIME TO START GETTING YOUR WHEELS TURNING.
'CAUSE NOW THAT WE HAVE 68 PAGES OF WHY WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE WAY THAT WE WERE HOPING TO, UH, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD.
AND NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT DIAGNOSTIC, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE HAVING OUR FIRST MEETING PROBABLY JUST AFTER THANKSGIVING.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A TIME WHERE WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
WE MAY DO THAT VIRTUALLY AND TRY TO JUST KIND OF DO IT OVER A LUNCH BREAK VIA TEAMS SO THAT IF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE, THAT'S AWESOME.
BUT CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY IS BUSY, EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TO GET HERE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HELP OUT HOWEVER WE CAN TO EVEN RECORD THOSE.
I BELIEVE WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING THAT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO EVEN IF YOU COULDN'T PARTICIPATE YOU COULD LISTEN TO THE RECORDING LATER AND THEN GIVE STAFF YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, SO TRYING TO MAKE THAT AS FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE, JUST KNOWING THAT WE ALL KIND OF GET SCATTERSHOT.
I MEAN I THINK THE ONLY TWO OF US TECHNICALLY THAT ARE ALWAYS HERE ARE GONNA BE ME AND JOHN IN TOWN.
UM, LIKELY
UM, BUT CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYBODY'S TIME IS IMPORTANT AND WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO IMPRESS UPON YOU TO BE HERE MORE THAN YOU TECHNICALLY NEED TO BE.
UM, ONE THING FOR THE NEW YEAR, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE UDC COMING IN, UM, TO BE REWRITTEN AND WE HAVE OUR FIRST EVER, UM, ENGINEERING MANUAL THAT WE REWRITTEN ALONGSIDE OF THAT WE WILL HAVE THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN BEING CHANGED.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO SOME IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
UM, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THINKING ABOUT TWO MEETINGS A MONTH WHERE ONE IS MORE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE AND ONE WILL BE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DISCUSS IF NECESSARY.
UM, AND SO WE, I ALREADY CHECKED THE CHARTER AND THE UDC, WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING, BUT WE COULD STILL HAVE THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
I KNOW THAT CHARTER'S UP IN REVIEW, BUT WE TRY TO LOOK AT HOW COULD WE POTENTIALLY GET ALL OF THESE THROUGH IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE NEED.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE LIKE, YEAH LET'S DO THE UDC AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE GOT UM, PUT IN WITH IT AS WELL.
AND SO JUST TRYING TO BE AS RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME AS POSSIBLE IS THAT WE MAY GO TO TWO, JUST THAT WE CAN HAVE ONE JUST TO WORK ON ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
AND THEN ONE JUST TO WORK ON ALL THE MASTER PLANS THAT WE HAVE GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE LIKELY, UM, I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN HERE ON THE BOARD WHEN WE'VE GONE THROUGH THESE BEFORE.
UM, P AND Z IS ALSO THE IMPACT FEE GROUP, UM, CALLED CIAC.
SO CAPITAL ADVI IMPACT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I WANNA SAY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
YOU WERE ACTUALLY THE CIC THE NIGHT THAT WE STAYED SO LATE WHEN WE WERE DOING ALL THE FUN THINGS FOR THE CIP THIS LAST TIME.
SO, UM, YOU'RE STILL HERE AS YOUR COMMISSIONER ROLE, BUT YOU ARE ALSO, THAT BOARD IS ESSENTIALLY P AND Z SO WE MAY NEED YOU TO BE COMBINED, BUT IN TALKING INTERNALLY WE'RE LIKE WELL HOW DO WE COMBINE THAT THE BEST? SO CERTAINLY, UM, LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SEEING A LOT MORE COMING OUT FROM EITHER MY TEAM OR PROBABLY ME OR MATT OR MATT'S TEAM.
'CAUSE HE HAS AN AMAZING ENGINEER ON HIS STAFF THAT IS ALSO HIS MAIN CIP ENGINEER.
UM, SHE'S A FORMER CITY ENGINEER OUT OF PFLUGERVILLE.
SO PATRICIA IS AMAZING BUT SHE'S ALSO ON IT.
SO, UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE THOSE EMAILS, JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR AVAILABILITY IS OR WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS BECAUSE ON THOSE ITEMS WE STILL HAVE TO ALSO HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, BUT JUST LET US KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU CAN DO IN PERSON.
CERTAINLY EVEN DURING THE COMP PLAN WE HAD KIND OF QUASI WHERE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I'D RATHER BE IN PERSON.
WE'RE LIKE, COOL, COME ON IN, WE'LL SET UP THE CALL AND WE WILL RESERVE A ROOM.
UM, SO WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT, WE CAN ALSO ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WELL.
UM, JUST LET US KNOW THE BEST WAY TO HELP YOU BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AND ALL OF YOUR TIME.
AND UM, CERTAINLY KNOWING THAT EVEN ON A NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT, IT TAKES AWAY, UM, TIME FROM YOUR FAMILIES AND AND YOUR LIVES HERE IN HUDA.
SO IS THE SECOND PART, THE UDC AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK MAY BE A WORK SESSION, LIKE A SATURDAY TYPE THING? MAYBE? I MEAN IS IT MAYBE TOWARDS THE END.
I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY, I KNOW WE DIDN'T PUT ANY WEEKEND WORK SESSIONS IN FOR THE UDC CONTRACT.
I CAN SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN FOR THE OTHERS AND CHECK WITH MATT ON THAT.
MOST OF THE TIME WE TRY NOT TO DO THE SATURDAYS.
UM, IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE A JOINT SESSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL CALLED SESSIONS, WE WOULD GIVE YOU AMPLE HEADS UP FOR THAT ONE.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING IN TO WHEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IS SPRING OR SUMMERTIME, YOU ARE FULL
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OF ALL OF THE HOLIDAYS AND VACATION AND SPORTS AND SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, GRADUATION'S COMING UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.MM-HMM
BUT CERTAINLY IF WE NEED TO, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS HERE IS TO GET THE WORK COMPLETED.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S WHY WE WERE MORE SO LOOKING AT, WELL IF WE HAD THIS JUST TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WE HAVE ONE TO POTENTIALLY JUST FOCUS ON.
AND IT MAY NOT BE ALL THE THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY SEEING HOW LONG THE CIP TOOK, WE DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU HERE TILL 2:00 AM ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING OF, HEY, TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS ASPECT.
UM, I KNOW SPEAKING ON THE UDC SIDE, WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE JUST HAVING SOME LUNCH QUICKER SESSIONS DURING THE MONTH, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN POP ON.
AND THAT'S REALLY MORE OF AN ADVISORY.
IT'S NOT A TRUE, YOU NEED TO SIT HERE, WE NEED TO HAVE RECORD OF IT.
IT'S MORE OF JUST, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? AND LET'S, LET'S BRAINSTORM.
LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE WANT OUR SIDEWALKS TO FUNCTION ADJACENT TO ROADWAYS? UH, DO WE WANT ROADWAYS TO BE MAJOR OR MINOR COLLECTORS WITH ON-STREET PARKING? DOES THIS REALLY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FOR THIS CONNECTION? THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, OR WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THOSE LARGER MORE DIRECTION LIKE, OH I LIKE THIS, I LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IN ONE OF THOSE MORE, UM, FORMAL MEETINGS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY GIVE US FORMAL DIRECTION.
YEAH, I I WAS JUST SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, THE POSS IS THAT AN OPTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO BE HERE FOR SIX HOURS? MM-HMM.
AND IT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH OTHER GROUPS.
IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, IF WE NEED TO HAVE BRING ANOTHER GROUP IN, MAYBE THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS, HEY, CAN WE JUST HAVE TWO HOURS OF YOUR TIME ON THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC MEETING AND WE WANT THE INPUT SIMILAR, HONESTLY HAVE HOW THE BUDGET WAS RUN.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAW IS A LOT MORE, CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT SOME SCHOOLS AND THINGS, BUT THE BUDGET SESSION THAT WE HAD IN THIS ROOM MM-HMM.
AND THEN KEEPING SOME OF THOSE JUST BIGGER BRAINSTORMING IDEAS.
WE CAN JUST KEEP THOSE TO TEAMS, UM, AND THEN WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN THING IS JUST, OH, THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS NEXT CALENDAR YEAR IS GONNA BE A LITTLE INTENSE.
BUT I THINK THE WORK THAT WE WILL GET OUT OF IT WILL BE SO IMPRESSIVE AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY REALLY PROUD OF THE AMOUNT OF EFFECT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THE FRAMEWORK AND THE FABRIC OF THIS CITY.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE REALLY COOL TO SEE HOW MUCH A COMMISSION ACTUALLY AFFECTS CHANGE IN A CITY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA GET TO DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND GO YEP, THAT'S ME.
IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY ALREADY DOING THAT, HAVE QUESTIONS,
DEFINITELY KEEP IN MIND, I MEAN CERTAINLY EVEN WITH THE PLOTS AND THINGS, DRIVE AROUND AND SEE WHAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH.
I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S REALLY COOL.
I STILL GO BACK TO CITIES THAT I HAVE WORKED IN, UM, AGES AGO AND I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROJECTS OR I GOOGLE DRIVE IT SOMETIMES.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT THIS ONE TIME I HAD THIS PROJECT THAT WAS REALLY COOL.
BUT THAT'S HONESTLY HOW A LOT OF THE EVO AND ACADEMY STUFF WORKED OUT IS, HEY, I DESIGNED THIS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAS ONE OF MY PROJECTS BACK IN, I DON'T WANNA SAY HOW LONG AGO
AND SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY, WE GAVE THAT TO THE DEVELOPERS AND SAID, THIS PROJECT HAS WITHSTOOD, UM, LET'S JUST BE REAL AT TEST OF TIME AT THIS POINT
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS STILL LOOKS GOOD, BUT LOOK AT HOW THIS HAS FUNCTIONED.
COULD YOU DO SOMETHING SIMILAR? AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP SEEING A LOT OF THE AWNINGS AND THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE BETWEEN THE EVO AND THE ACADEMY.
I DID THINK OF THIS, THE ACADEMY, IF YOU HAVE NOT YET SEEN IT, THERE IS FRIENDS AND FAMILY EVENTS GOING ON.
IT'S RIGHT HERE TO HAND OUT FLYERS.
AND THIS LAST PUSH, BECAUSE I KNOW IT GOT STRESSFUL FOR THEM, FOR STAFF, WE WERE LIKE, OH, KINDA A LITTLE BIT OF A NAILBITER OF LIKE, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THESE THINGS? POWER TRANSFORMER THING.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT, WOW.
YEAH, THERE WAS JUST, AND IT WAS ALL, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN DEVELOPMENT, IT LOOKS REALLY SLOW UNTIL IT'S NOT.
AND YOU, THEY'RE LIKE DOCS, YOU JUST DON'T SEE THEIR FEET MOVING
UM, AND IT'S BEEN SO IMPRESSIVE, BUT IT'S GONNA OPEN AND THIS IS REAL.
AND IF ACTUALLY IF YOU GO ONLINE, BECAUSE I WAS ONLINE FOR SOME SOCCER STUFF THIS WEEKEND AND IT AUTOMATICALLY PUT ME TO THE HUDU ACADEMY AND IT SAID DELAY OR IT SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF OPENING ON THE 13TH.
AND I WAS LIKE, IT'S REALLY, AND I DO THIS, YOU GUYS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIG PROJECTS AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, IT'S HERE.
SO, UM, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S COMING.
SO I HOPE TO SEE YOU GUYS THERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN STAGE TWO NOW, SO WE ARE STILL A LITTLE DELAYED ON THE LANDSCAPING FOR GOOD REASON.
WE'RE TRYING NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR LANDSCAPING WHILE WE'RE
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STILL IN STAGE TWO.THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE TREES OR OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, WHAT'S THE DATE? BUT, SO IT WILL LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW.
THE TREES ARE IN, SOME OF THEM ARE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ALREADY.
IT, IT REALLY, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SITE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS ONE FINALLY COMPLETE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW I'M KIND OF GLAD IT DIDN'T COMPLETE IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL PLANS WERE WOULD NOT HAVE LOOKED LIKE THIS.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST SO MUCH BETTER FROM THAT NEW QUEST TEAM.
SO, SO QUESTION ABOUT THE UDC UPDATES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AS WE DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND SEE THINGS THAT WE WISH WOULD BE DIFFERENT MM-HMM.
DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE LISTS OF THINGS? WHATEVER YOU WANT OR DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO SEND THINGS LIKE THAT TO YOU? OR DO YOU WANT US TO TALK ABOUT IT UP HERE DURING THIS TIME? UM, SO, HMM.
SO IF YOU, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE UDC AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH I LIKE THIS, I LIKE THAT.
IF IT'S GONNA BE ON A CALL, BRING IT UP.
IF IT'S UP HERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, BRING IT UP.
IF YOU WANT TO SEND US ANYTHING AS FAR AS STAFF LEVEL OF LIKE, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? YOU CAN ADD THOSE THINGS AS AN ASTERISK TO THE DIAGNOSTIC.
I KNOW THAT WE SAT DOWN WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THE CODE? AND I'M LIKE, IT'D BE EASIER TO TELL YOU WHAT WE DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE CODE
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT ALWAYS FUNCTIONS FOR EVERYBODY.
AND EVEN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT WITH HOWEVER MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I EVEN LOOK AT AND I'M LIKE, WHY DID WE DO THIS, THIS? MM-HMM.
ONE IS ALLOWED AND ONE ISN'T FOR PETS.
WHY, WHY DID WE DO THIS TWICE? LIKE WHY, WHY ARE WE THINKING HARDER? UM, SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE WANT TO SWITCH.
BUT IF THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU NOTICE IN THE CODE OR THAT YOU JUST NOTICE IN YOUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN HU IT CAN BE I SAW THIS HAPPEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? COOL.
BECAUSE IF THERE'S DIFFERENT, I MEAN WE GO ON TRIPS.
I MEAN I'VE DRUG PEOPLE UP TO DALLAS BEFORE TO SEE SOME THINGS THAT I LIKE.
SO WE WILL DO THOSE THINGS AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE, UM, THERE WAS A SMALL CONVERSATION PRIOR, THERE WAS NO QUORUMS THAT WERE SAFE.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO DO IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TO GET COMMISSIONERS TO SOME OF THOSE PLANNING CONFERENCES IN THE STATE SO THAT YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND GO TO SESSIONS TO HEAR WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
UM, CERTAINLY WE'RE, WE CAN SEND OUT ANY TRAININGS THIS TIME.
I THINK I SENT YOU ABOUT A HUNDRED PAGES TO READ.
SO WE DID NOT GIVE YOU A LINK, UM, FOR EXTRA TRAINING.
BUT WHERE I'M FINDING THEM AND WHERE I CAN GET THE LINK AND IT WORKS FOR YOU FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S WHAT I'M ALSO SITTING IN IS LIKE, HEY, HERE'S SOME REALLY COOL IDEAS OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE ALSO LEARN AT THOSE CONFERENCES IS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING THAT'S REALLY COOL.
I, YOU KNOW, SHOW ME WHAT YOU DID AND THEN MAYBE I'M GONNA GO DO THAT TOO.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF BEST PRACTICES.
SO WHERE WE CAN, THAT IS SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD THAT WE WILL ALSO BE LOOKING AT SENDING PEOPLE.
IT MAY, THE UDC WILL OUTPACE THAT MOST LIKELY, BUT CERTAINLY OVER THE NEXT YEAR, WE'LL I'M TRYING TO GET THEM TO YOU EVERY MONTH.
BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE WORKLOAD OF HERE'S A HUNDRED PAGES TO READ AND A TRAINING WAS NEVER GONNA, LIKE I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT TO YOU
ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S OPTIONAL.
I MEAN IT'S IF YOU HAVE TIME IF YOU WANT IT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A TEST, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT FOR THAT UDC OF LIKE, HEY, HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS? HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT HERE'S THE STATE LAW JUST TO BE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE TERMS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING.
SO I WOULD DO ALL OF THE ABOVE.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU LIKE, I MEAN MY PHONE IS FULL OF THINGS THAT I'M JUST LIKE, OH, THAT'S A COOL, I LIKE BRIDGES, I TAKE PICTURES OF THEM BECAUSE I THINK THE AESTHETICS MATTER.
AND SO THAT'S EVEN KNOW JUST THE SHADE OVER A SIDEWALK CAN BE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF MOVES YOU.
SEEING HOW, YOU KNOW, THE EVO, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE PIECE.
BUT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE PLANNED IN TO HAVE THAT SHOWSTOPPER MOMENT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL THEN BE COMING HERE.
HOW DO WE BUILD THAT INTO THE CODE TO GET MORE OF THOSE? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, THROW EVERYTHING AT US.
WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU WILL WORK FOR US.
BECAUSE LIKE I WAS DRIVING AROUND THIS AFTERNOON, TRAFFIC WAS SO FUN WITH ALL THE RAILROADS STOPPING EVERYTHING.
UM, AND I WENT DOWN, UM, ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ROADS WERE TINY AND I'M LIKE, CAN WE HAVE IT IN THE UDC WHERE LIKE AT LEAST THE MAIN ROAD INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IS A WIDER ROAD.
I ALREADY HAVE A NOTE FOR THAT, THAT THIS WHOLE LIKE FIRE LANE THING, LIKE THERE'S NO, YOU'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE ALLOWED TO EVER HAVE A FIRE LANE ON BOTH SIDES.
I MEAN THE MINIMUM IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE 26 FOOT WIDE.
WELL I, I DROVE DOWN, UM, COVERED BRIDGE AND THERE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
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YEAH.FIRETRUCK WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO DOWN THIS.
AND YOU SEE THAT A LOT DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT, BUT THEN THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WHO HAVE THOSE BID TRUCKS.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO COME HOME AND YOU CAN'T.
AND I'M, THIS NEXT WEEK OR TWO ARE MAIN NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD IS GONNA BE SHUT OFF AND SO RIGHT.
THE ONLY TWO ROADS ARE GONNA BE DANA, WHICH IS A LITTLE TINY ROAD OR COVERED BRIDGE, WHICH IS ANOTHER LITTLE TINY WINDY ROAD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIVER WALK AND STUFF TO ALL GET HOME.
AS, AS FAR AS THE ROAD WIDTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I, I NOTICED IT LAST NIGHT.
I WAS DRIVING UH, UBER AND I WAS BACK BEHIND UH UH, BACK BEHIND THE ROUND ROCK FORTS COMPLEX.
LIKE CLAY MADSON OR THE FAR THE, THE FAR ONE.
AND I SAW AT LEAST A 10 FOOT MASONRY WALL.
AND I SAW 45 FOOT WIDE STREETS.
UH, JUST NO, AND I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS THOSE LIKE BOULEVARD TYPE SETUPS LIKE THAT VERSUS REGULAR STREETS AND LOOK MORE AT THOSE ACTUAL BUFFER WALLS THAT WORK BETTER FOR THOSE SITUATIONS.
AND THEN ONE THING I REALLY, I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE DIVING REALLY DEEP HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALSO, ONCE WE REWRITE THE UDC, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF THE UDC OR AN AMENDMENT OR AN ADD-ON OR WHATEVER TO EXPLAIN TIMING OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE CAN AFFECT CHANGES.
FOR EXAMPLE, TO KNOW LIKE IF SOMETHING HAS ALREADY BEEN ZONED, WHAT NOW WITH THE REWRITE AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE CAN WE AFFECT VERSUS IF IT'S BEEN AND THERE'S SOME TML LANGUAGE PLAD IN THERE AS WELL OR IF IT'S BEEN FINAL PLATT NOW WHAT WITH THE REWRITE CAN WE AFFECT? 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING THAT IF SOMETHING COMES UP LIKE A MONTH AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND WE WANNA PUT NOW THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED A 12 FOOT MASONRY WALL OR WHATEVER, OR 12 FOOT SCREENING WALL MM-HMM.
AND WE CAN GET THOSE CLARIFICATIONS FOR YOU.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STARTED DISCUSSING INTERNALLY IS JUST KINDA LIKE THE FLOW CHARTS OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
BUT DOING IT IN CONCERT WITH THE NEW UDC BECAUSE THAT COULD CHANGE WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS.
CERTAINLY STATE LAW AFFECTS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY REGIMENTED STANDARD THAT MEETS THE SHOT CLOCK OR 36, 9 9, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE THE VERY REGIMENTED OR WE HAVE, HEY WE HAVE TO PUT YOU ON FOR DENIAL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE YOUR WAIVER AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO THERE ARE THOSE, I THINK WE GOT, I THINK WE GOT OUR LIST FROM NINE THINGS THAT COULD BE ON TO JUST THE ONES THAT WERE ON YOUR AGENDA NIGHT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS CONSTANTLY DOING OF LIKE, OKAY, BUT WHO HAS THIS? WHO HAS THAT? WHO SIGNED, WHO DIDN'T? WHO CAN STILL SUBMIT? WHO CAN'T? MM-HMM.
AND SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE DEVELOPERS, THEY GET IT.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ONE WITH US.
SO, BUT EXPLAINING THAT TO THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL I THOUGHT THIS OR EXACTLY EXPLAINING TO THEM, I MEAN I THINK AHS RIGHT BEHIND HERE WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE THAT WAS ZONED MULTIFAMILY IN 2006.
SO FOR PEOPLE TO SAY I CAN'T BELIEVE MULTIFAMILY WENT IN THERE, I'M LIKE, WE COULDN'T NOT HAVE IT BECAUSE UNLESS SOMEBODY CAME IN AND PROACTIVELY REZONED IT.
UM, WE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A STRAIGHT ZONED WE WORKED AND I WILL GIVE THEM CREDIT AS WELL.
THE DEVELOPER WORKED WITH STAFF TO NOT HAVE THOSE BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE OTHER ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
WE DID HAVE A LIGHTING ISSUE, THEY FIXED THAT AS WELL.
I DROVE BY ONE NIGHT AND I WAS LIKE, THAT IS THE SURFACE OF THE SUN.
I MEAN IT WAS LATE AND BRIGHT.
UM, AND SO NOW THAT HAS BEEN DIMMED.
'CAUSE THEY DID, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS A CONCERN, THEY ACTUALLY WENT BACK THROUGH, REVISED THEIR WHOLE PHOTOMETRICS PLAN, REMOVED LIGHTS FROM SOME PLACES THAT WERE LIKE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THOSE LIGHTS, WE NEEDED TO SWITCH EVERYTHING OUT AND THAT DEVELOPER ACTUALLY WORKED WITH STAFF TO GET THAT DONE.
UM, SO THERE ARE THOSE THINGS, BUT CERTAINLY TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY OF HATE.
LIKE I KNOW WE DO ON OUR STAFF REPORTS, BUT WHO HONESTLY WHO READS THE STAFF REPORTS WE KNOW IT'S FINE, IT'S FINE.
UM, MOST RESIDENTS ARE NOT GOING NO, I KNOW YOU GUYS WOULD, MOST RESIDENTS ARE NOT AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF JUST WORDS THAT SOMETIMES DON'T.
THINGS THAT JUST DON'T NECESSARILY
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MEAN SOMETHING.UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UDC OF TRYING TO GET THINGS TO BE JUST SIMPLE.
LIKE WHY ARE WE HAVING PEOPLE GUESS TELL 'EM WHAT WE WANT AND JUST BE STRAIGHTFORWARD ABOUT IT.
I WANT A, B AND C AND I DON'T WANT THESE OTHER THINGS.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA SEE HERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHIN STATE LAW.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE HAVE.
I DID WANNA PUT ONE POTENTIAL REQUEST IN.
SO YOU MENTIONED TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE POTENTIALLY TRY TO FOCUS ON MAYBE ONLY EVERY OTHER MONTH DOING A SECOND MEETING JUST BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE LUNCHTIME PHONE CALLS FOR UDC STAFF ABSOLUTELY.
TRY TO JUST HAVE EVERY OTHER MONTH A SECOND MEETING AND THAT CAN POSSIBLY JUST BE FOCUSED ON REWRITE THAT STUFF.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD, WE WERE HAD WARNED YOU GUYS WITH THE ACADEMY STUFF LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
SO CERTAINLY WHERE WE CAN, UM, I WILL ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS TRY TO NOT HAVE TO CALL YOU IN WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
SO I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT BACK TO STAFF AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY, OH, THE ONLY OTHER ONE I HAVE JUST SO YOU ARE ALL AWARE.
I KNOW IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THOSE MAKES ME HAPPY.
UM, THE CALENDAR DID CHANGE FOR JANUARY, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WE LOOKED AND THE RESUBMITTAL DATES, BECAUSE WE HAD SAID IT AT JANUARY 2ND, WERE GONNA BE I THINK CHRISTMAS DAY OR THE DAY AFTER IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS JUST LIKE, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR FOR STAFF.
I MEAN I KNOW THAT I'LL BE IN TOWN FOR THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S JUST NOT YEAH.
WE DON'T WANNA HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE TO RACE BACK TO GET BACK HERE WHEN WE KNOW SCHOOLS ARE STILL OUT.
SO, UM, WE DID CHANGE THE JANUARY DATE, UH, AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED THE NINTH, NINTH, 10TH OF THE NINTH.
AND THAT IS ON, THOSE CALENDARS ARE IN THERE AND THESE CALENDARS NOW THAT THEY ARE APPROVED WILL GO ON THE WEBSITE THIS WEEK.
SO WE WILL BE LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THERE WAS THAT CHANGE.
UM, BUT DID WANT YOU GUYS JUST TO BE VERY AWARE.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO HAVE, WE LOVE YOU, WE ADORE YOU.
WE WANT THE GREATEST HOLIDAY SEASON FOR YOU AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO RACE BACK FOR THE SECOND IF THAT'S GONNA, UM, COMPLICATE THINGS.
AND THIS AT LEAST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHING ROOM.
OKAY, WE'VE GOT SPACE IN THIS ROOM OR THE BUILDING BUILDING, BUT I CAN'T BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE.
WELL YOU CAN'T, NEITHER CAN I
IT'S RIGHT FOR BOTH OF YOU TOO.
THERE ARE SOME BE THERE
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT NORMALLY WE'VE DONE OR WE HAVE EVERYTHING TO WHERE IF THAT MEETING GETS OUT, THEN YOU CAN COME HERE FOR THIS ONE AND WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT IN THE MINUTES.
UH, WE'VE GOT TRIGGER REVIEW NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
YEAH, I'M SURE ONE OF US OLD GUYS HERE WILL REMEMBER TO OH YEAH.
BY THE WAY, WE ALSO HAVE A FEW WEEKS.
SO IF, IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT, AND ALSO BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE DO GET A LITTLE BIT SLOWER ON THE SUBMITTALS AROUND THEN SOMETIMES OUR JANUARY MEETING IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO THINGS.
UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO NOT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOT HAVE A MEETING IN JANUARY, I THINK AT LEAST ONCE.
SO THERE'S ALSO THAT POSSIBILITY AS WELL.
SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A CALENDAR CHANGE.
UM, I THINK THE KIDS ACTUALLY GO BACK TO SCHOOL AROUND THE EIGHTH OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE LIKE, WELL AT LEAST EVERYBODY CAN KIND HAVE A BREATHER AND GET BACK INTO THE SWING OF THINGS.
UM, SO LET US KNOW IF YOU NEED ANYTHING.
CERTAINLY YOU'LL BE SEEING THOSE EMAILS COME OUT.
SO HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY.
DECEMBER 5TH, RIGHT? DECEMBER 5TH.
OH, HEY, TONIGHT'S MY DAUGHTER'S 18TH.
WELL, ONE OF MY DAUGHTER'S 18TH BIRTHDAYS.
HAVE Y'ALL SEEN HER DAUGHTER? HAPPY ANNIVERSARY WAS ABOUT TO SAY.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY OF YOUR FIRST HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
ALL RIGHT, KAR, WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND PLANNING AND ZONING AT 8:50 PM AWESOME.