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OUTTA MY KITCHEN INTO THE OTHER SIDE.[Planning and Zoning on December 5, 2023.]
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CALL THE CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE FIFTH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM WE'LL CALL IT TO ORDER AT 7:02 PM ROLL.DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T HAVE ANY.
THERE MIGHT BE FOR THE ITEMS THEMSELVES, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS.
HE HAD HIS HAND RIGHT OVER THERE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS A FORM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE'S, I COULD SIGN UP FOR IT.
UM, SIMILAR TO COUNSEL, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR DO YOU JUST HAVE A, A GENERAL COMMENT YOU WANNA MAKE? I WANNA TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC ITEM.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK IT WHEN WE COME TO THAT ITEM? OKAY.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER FOUR POINT WELL.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CONSENT AGENDA 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED HERITAGE MILL NORTH FINAL PLATT, 41.284 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 142 LOTS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FM 1660 EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 1 63.
ITEM 4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE HU DATA CENTER CAMPUS SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLATT 158.731 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF AND LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON HU DATA CENTER CAMPUS SUBDIVISION ONE FINAL PLATT ONE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY EIGHT 0.731 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
ITEM 4.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HU CROSSING PHASE FOUR, SECTION 19, FINAL PLATT 12.105 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND COMPRISED OF 77 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TWO OPEN SPACE LOTS LOCATED NORTH OF CARL STERN DRIVE.
ITEM 4.5 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED YARDLEY EMORY CROSSING FINAL PLATT 56.318 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND COMPRISED OF ONE MULTIFAMILY LOT LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 AT EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO PULL 4.3.
IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PULL ITEM 4.4 AND 4.5.
ANY OBJECTIONS? NO HEARING NONE.
OKAY, RICK, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT 4.3? UH, DO WE WANT TO, UH, MOTION ON THE OTHER TWO THOUGH? ALL RIGHTY.
I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CONSIDER CONSISTING OF ITEMS 4.1 AND 4.2.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO DISAPPROVE 4.1 AND APPROVE 4.2 AS PRESENTED SECOND.
SO WE'RE DISAPPROVING A DISAPPROVAL
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALL CORRECT OR NOT.
MOVE TO APPROVE 4.1 AND 4.2 AS PRESENTED.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING 4.1 AND 4.2 AS PRESENTED.
AYE Q ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.
THAT PASSES SIX ZERO NOW I'LL DO 4.3.
UM, ACTUALLY 4.3 I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH EXCEPT THAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLATT ARE APPEARING ON CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH COULD GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT WE'RE JUST RUBBER STAMPING STUFF THROUGH.
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I JUST WANTED TO PULL IT IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION.UM, I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING REGARDING THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE PACKET THAT I COULD FIND, BUT MAYBE I WAS JUST NOT LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY.
BUT THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE'S COTTON BROOK MM-HMM.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S ANY TYPE OF TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DATA CENTER, LIKE FOR OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO ALL OF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE HANDLED THROUGH THE SITE PURPOSE.
SO WE WOULDN'T GET TO IT WITH THE PLA WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THERE.
WE DO HAVE, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN OUR UDC AS FAR AS A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.
AND THEN ALSO FOR ANY LANDSCAPING, THIS IS QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY A DISTANCE FROM COTTON BROOK OR THAT LENAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LIKELY TO BE BI AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THERE WILL BE SOME TREES, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A TRUE BUFFER YARD.
OTHER THAN JUST BUFFERING FROM THE STREET FROM ANY PUBLIC STREET AND PARKING AREAS.
AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT THE LIGHTS FROM THE DATA CENTER WOULDN'T BE A DESTRUCTION OR DISRUPTION TO THAT COMMUNITY WITH THE WAY THAT THE UDC READS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A LITTLE BIT, IT'S GOING TO GET LIGHTER OUTSIDE JUST BECAUSE THERE'S LIGHTS, BUT, UM, THERE IT'S NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY, IT SHOULD NOT BE SHINING IN ANYBODY'S IN THEIR YARD.
THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD ABOUT THE DATA CENTER.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR TRAFFIC ON 1 32 IN THAT AREA? THE ROAD 1 32 WILL EVENTUALLY BE EXPANDED.
IT'S PART OF A LARGER PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON WITH THE CITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A COUNTY PROJECT.
I'M NOT SURE WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXPANSION.
BUT IT IS GOING TO BE WIDEN TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.
THAT'S FOR THE EAST WEST PORTION OF 1 32.
THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF 1 32 WILL HAVE AN OVERPASS OVER 79 THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE 2018 MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND I THINK THE FINAL, THE FINAL PLAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE COUNTY OR THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS 1 32 BEING WIDENED AND EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH TO 1660 I BELIEVE.
SO THAT WILL ALSO BE WIDENED AT SOME POINT.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON IT? NOPE.
I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 4.3.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.3 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON TO ACCEPT ITEM NUMBER 4.3 AS WRITTEN.
OKAY, DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
UM, JUST A, JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
UM, 4.3 HAS AN ADDITIONAL WORDING OF THE WORD ONE ONE.
ASHLEY, IS THAT A PROBLEM? PROBLEM? NO.
YOU KNOW WHY IT'S THERE? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE PLOT.
AND SO IN 4.2 IT, IT OMITTED THAT N NEITHER OF THAT WOULD MATTER.
UM, PRELIMS DON'T EVER GET RECORDED SO THAT'S FINE.
I DID VERIFY IN THE PACKET THAT ONE IS ALSO ON THE PRELIM.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I MIGHT NEED TO PULL MY MOTION BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS.
SO IT SHOULD BE AS WRITTEN UNLESS YOU DON'T LIKE MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH STAFF WRITTEN.
IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TO CLARIFY THAT IT WASN'T AS WRITTEN.
IT WAS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU ADDED THEM NOT JUST AS WRITTEN.
THE UPDATES HAVE BEEN APPLIED IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM STAFF REVIEW WHAT IT SAYS UP RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
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THE PLATT NOTING STATING TIF WILL BE DUE BASED ON ORDINANCE 20 21 4 IS ADDED UNDER PLATT NOTES.NO, THAT'S THE PART WHERE I'M SAYING AS WRITTEN MEANS.
WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE WITH THAT GOING? YEAH, FOR THANK YOU.
JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE CLARIFYING TO GET IT ALL CLEAR.
ANY OPPOSED? NO HEARING NONE PASSES.
UH, COMMISSIONER LEE, ITEM 4.4, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? YES PLEASE.
UM, FIRST, BASED ON THE STREET TABLE CALCULATIONS, EACH STREET SHOULD BE WIDER THAN 32 FOOT REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDING THAT VERBIAGE INTO THE NOTES SPECIFICALLY.
SINCE THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY AND BASED ON THE SIZES THERE WILL NOT BE ADEQUATE DRIVEWAYS, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE UDC.
THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE IFC.
I CANNOT HOLD THE PLA TWO THAT I CAN ONLY HOLD THE PLA TWO, WHAT THE UDC UM HAS RIGHT NOW.
AND THE UDC ALLOWS FOR A MYRIAD OF STREET SECTIONS.
BUT IF WE ADD IT AS A CONDITION AND YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO CONDITION OR CONDITIONING APPROVE A PLAT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CITATION BACK TO THE UDC, I'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES IN THE PAST HERE.
NOT REALLY NOW, UM, IF IT'S SIDEWALKS WE HAVE A CITATION FOR THAT IF IT'S SOME OTHER STUFF, BUT I CAN'T, I CANNOT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT ZONING, I CANNOT DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ARBITRARY OR NOT ACTUALLY LISTED OUT IN THE UDC BECAUSE WHEN WE GIVE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL IT WILL HAVE TO COME WITH THAT CODE CITATION.
THAT IS INTERESTING 'CAUSE WE HAVE DEFINITELY ADDED THAT NOTE IN BEFORE EVEN IF THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC CONDITION IN A POD OR ANY OTHER AGREEMENT, WE'VE ADDED THE AGREEMENT, THEY WOULD, THEY CAN'T HAVE TWO SIDES OF PARKING IF IT'S BELOW THAT.
BUT IT'S AN FYI STATEMENT MORE SO.
BUT NOT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE 32 FEET OF PAVEMENT.
UM, OKAY, SO FOR PHASE FOUR, SECTION SIX TO 14, SO EVERYTHING TO THE EAST, EXCUSE ME, EVERYTHING TO THE EAST.
UM, IT SEEMS THAT THAT IS THE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL SECTION, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ONE, I BELIEVE THE OVERVIEW MAP IS WRONG, BUT THEN ALSO THE BLOCK GG LOT 49 OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING ROADWAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE ON THERE OR NOT.
PROBABLY NOT SINCE IT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
YEAH WE DON'T HAVE IT 'CAUSE THE CONSENT, IT'S UM, SORRY LET ME PULL UP THE PAGE.
UM, OF COURSE I DID NOT WRITE THE PAGE NUMBER DOWN.
SO ON 66, SO EVERYTHING TO THE EAST THERE SO LOT, LOT ONE AND LOT TWO OR REALLY PHASE FOUR, SECTION SIX ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SECTION 14.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IS THE ALREADY EXISTING COMMERCIAL THAT IS FRONTING CHRIS KELLY, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WITH THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT BLOCK GG LOT 49 IS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AT THE CURRENT, THE ONE PIECE STICKING OUT TO TO CHRIS KELLY, BUT THAT IS ALREADY AN EXISTING ROADWAY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT IS OPEN SPACE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATION IN THAT PRELIMINARY PLA IT GETS REALLY CLOSE IN THERE BUT THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY FOR SOME UM, ADDITIONAL ACCESS THROUGH THERE.
SO PART OF THAT WILL BE SO LOT 80 BUT LOT 46 OR WHATEVER THAT SMALL LITTLE NUMBER IS.
UM, THAT WILL BE ON THAT SEPARATE SIDE AS ACCESS.
OVERALL, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM BEFORE THEY WERE NOT PLANNING TO PUT AN ACCESS POINT FROM THE COMMERCIAL INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AND NOW IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE THERE THROUGH PLOWSHARE PASS POTENTIALLY.
IS THAT WHAT THEIR INTENT IS? IT IS GOING TO BE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
SO THAT, SO THAT BLOCK GG LOT 49 WILL ACTUALLY BE THE ROADWAY THEN.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ROADWAY'S ALREADY ALREADY IN IT IS AT THIS ONE.
AGAIN, JUST CLARIFYING 'CAUSE IT WAS STILL PART OF THIS PLATT EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY BUILT, SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, SO BLOCK GIGI
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LOT 81 UM, DOES NOT STATE THAT IT IS OPEN SPACE BUT IT APPEARS THAT IT IS.CAN WE CONFIRM THAT WOULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE? CERTAINLY.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT ONE AND I BELIEVE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT IN THE LOT TABLE.
UM, BUT IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN UM, WE'LL HAVE A NOTE ON THAT LOT AS WELL.
JUST VERIFYING THAT IT IS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE AND IT'S NOT JUST A DRAINAGE EASEMENT SINCE THAT'S DIFFERENT, UM, AS PART OF OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, OTHERWISE I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UM, SINCE YOU WERE MENTIONING STREETS, EXCUSE ME, WHERE IS THE STREET THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO CHRIS KELLY THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE? SO THAT'S JUST A CROSS ACCESS EASEMENT OR A JOINT ACCESS EASEMENT THAT IS EXISTING BUT IT'S OFF OF THIS PLATT IT WOULD BE UM, JUST EAST OF THAT EASTERNMOST LINE SHOWN ON THE PLAT BECAUSE THE EASTERNMOST, EXCUSE ME.
THE EASTERNMOST LINE IS CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD, ISN'T IT? NO, THE DARKER LINE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO SEE THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY DIMENSIONS WITH ALL THE LINE NUMBERS.
UM, THAT IS THE LIMIT OF THAT UNTIL YOU GET UP TO BLOCK GIGI LOT 49 AND THAT IS THE EASTERN MOST LINE THAT DOES AFFECT CHRIS KELLY OR THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY RUN TO CHRIS KELLY.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, WHERE THE RAILROAD IS, I'M JUST CONFIRMING THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CLOSEST HOME.
IS THAT RIGHT? JUST FIVE FEET? NO, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THE DARK SOLID LINE IS THE EDGE OF THE RAILROAD PROPERTY, SO IT'S MORE THAN FIVE FEET FROM THAT.
IT SHOULD BE SO YEAH, I I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED TOO 'CAUSE I WAS READING THE SAME THING.
IF I'M INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE IT'S 25 FEET.
AND SO LOTS, BECAUSE LOTS ARE NUMBERED HERE.
THAT'S THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT.
THAT'S, SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S A 25 FOOT, UM, WASTEWATER EASEMENT THERE POTENTIALLY AS WELL AS THE FIVE FOOT.
OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE THERE IS, THERE WILL STILL BE, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 30 FOOT OR SO AWAY FROM THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THAT'S FROM THE EDGE OF RIGHT OF WAY, NOT FROM THE EDGE OF THE LINE ITSELF.
YEAH, I WOULD BE, WE DID CLOSER.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S VERY CLOSE.
I, I DO WANNA BRING UP AGAIN BECAUSE I WANT IT ON RECORD, WE DID CLARIFY THIS IN ONE OF THE PAST PLOTS AND THEY WILL PUT SOME TYPE OF, I BELIEVE MASONRY WALL, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
ON THE EDGE OF THIS PER THE, AS A BUFFER, UM, PER THE UNIFY OR ACTUALLY PER THEIR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A MASONRY WALL TO TRY TO HELP WITH, TRY TO HELP SOME NOISE ABATEMENT.
THEY COULD GO TECHNICALLY UP TO EIGHT IF THEY WANTED TO.
WAS THAT A SIX FOOT WALL? TONY? THEY COULD GO BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT.
EIGHT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE BUILDING SIDE JUST BECAUSE OF UM, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SOME WIND LOAD CALCULATIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO GET UP TO EIGHT FEET.
BUT THEY COULD DO EIGHT FEET IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND THAT WALL THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, ASHLEY, HOW LONG, HOW FAR DOES IT GO? IS IT THE WHOLE IT'S THE WHOLE LENGTH, THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU'RE SAYING THE WHOLE THING, THE THIS PLAT OR ALL THE WAY FROM ONE 30 TO I WOULD THINK THEIR DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? JUST THEIR DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PLATT.
BUT ONCE THEY START GETTING INTO THEIR SITE, IT'LL CONSTRUCTION BE CONNECTED TO OTHER THING.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION ON 4.4? UM, I THINK IT'S FOUR FIVE.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOUR FOUR AS WRITTEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO
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ACCEPT ITEM 4.4 AS WRITTEN.YEAH, SO ITEM FOUR, FIVE, EXCUSE ME AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SMALL NOTE.
UM, SO JUST VERIFYING FROM THE PUD, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE REVISED PUD WAS PART OF THIS, UM, THAT WE DID IN MARCH OF 23.
JUST CONFIRMING THAT THEY ARE STILL DEDICATING 7.5 ACRES FOR A FUTURE PARK WITH THE CONNECTED TRAILS PLUS THE $46,000 PARKLAND FEE.
CORRECT? THAT IS ALL STILL IN THE POD.
THAT WAS, WAS REALLY THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
MAKING SURE THAT WAS STILL THERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 4.5 AS WRITTEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS TO, UH, APPROVE ITEM 4.5 AS WRITTEN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION ON DURANGO FARM'S PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT P ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO ADD 3.0 3.10 RIPARIAN SETBACK.
UM, THIS IS AN THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO A PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2019.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO ADD A SINGLE SECTION.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE USES ON SITE.
UM, IT REALLY IS JUST TO ESSENTIALLY CLARIFY AND THEN ADD TO THE DOCUMENT, UM, AN ITEM IN THE UDC THAT HAD NOT BEEN APPLIED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT IS JUST ADDING IN THE STATEMENT THAT, UM, THE RIPARIAN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF THE DURANGO FARMS OF THE UDC DO NOT APPLY TO THE DURANGO FARMS PUD, BUT THAT ALL STRUCTURES ADJACENT TO THE FLOODPLAIN EXCEPT FOR DRAINAGE FACILITIES, UH, WILL HAVE A LOWEST, UH, FINISH FLOOR ELEVATION AT LEAST TWO FEET OR MORE ABOVE THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE UDC ALREADY REQUIRES.
SO THEY ARE ALREADY MANAGING THAT.
THEY HAVE DONE SOME FLOOD PLAN MITIGATION ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, SO STAFF HAD NO CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THIS REQUEST BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE THE RIPARIAN SETBACK IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 5.1? I'LL OPEN THAT AT 7 25.
COULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH.
UM, MY NAME IS GRANT THOMPSON.
I LIVE IN ONE, ONE, UH, THREE ROCHESTER LANE IN HU, TEXAS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, DOES THIS INCLUDE THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THE MULTIFAMILY USE IN PARCEL SIX AND THE POTENTIAL HOTEL IN THAT AREA AS WELL, OR UH, IS THAT LIKE A PART OF A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION? SO I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO.
UM, THIS IS ONLY TO ADD THE RIPARIAN SETBACK LANGUAGE.
THE USES HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, SO WE WE'RE NOT REALLY OPENING BACK UP THE USE SECTION.
UM, THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE USES.
WHEN WAS THAT APPROVED? THAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY BACK IN 2019.
I WAS HERE FOR THE FIRST VERSION OF THE PUD AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT ENTIRE SECTION PARCEL SIX WAS FLOOD ZONED MOST LIKELY.
AND ALSO THAT THERE WAS NOTHING GOING TO BE BUILT BACK THERE.
SO WAS THAT A LIE BACK THEN IN 20, UH, IN 2021? IN 2021, YES.
UM, THERE IS FLOODPLAIN OVER THERE.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY CAN BUILD, BUT THE ZONING IS STILL THE SAME.
SO IF THEY ARE ABLE TO MODIFY THE ZONING, THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO BUILD.
SO THAT WASN'T GIVEN OUT TO ANY ANYBODY, LIKE
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ANYBODY LIVING AROUND THAT INFORMATION WISE BECAUSE, UH, I HAVE A PICTURE FROM 2021 OF HUDU STATING THAT THE SOUTHERN PART OF PARCEL SIX BEING FLOOD ZONE FLOODPLAIN WITHOUT IT BEING REVISED AND THE TOP 10 ACRES BEING FOR COMMERCIAL USE, NOW IT'S BEING DESIGNATED AS A MIXED USE.WAS WHEN WAS THAT REZONED? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A HOTEL IN MY BACKYARD.
THAT WAS ALL WOULD'VE BEEN ZONED BACK IN 2019 WITH THE ORIGINAL PUD THEN IT'S BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE 2021 THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THE DAYCARE.
I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU A COPY.
THAT YES, THE DAYCARE WAS CHANGED, BUT PARCEL SIX WAS ORIGINALLY COMMERCIAL.
AND IT'S NOW BEING SECTIONED AS MULTIFAMILY MIXED USE.
I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF THE IDEA WAS ALWAYS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A HOTEL IN POTENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY OVER THERE.
NOW SEE THAT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IT WAS ZONED AS COMMERCIAL AND THE SOUTHERN HALF OF IT, THE MAJORITY OF DURANGO FARMS ON PARCEL SIX WAS FLOOD ZONE EXPECTATIONS BEING THAT NOTHING COULD BE BUILT THERE.
NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME MULTIFAMILY AND HOTELS CAN BE BUILT BEHIND MY HOUSE, A 60 FOOT HOTEL OVERLOOKING MY BEDROOM, MY DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS DESIGNATED IN 2021.
WHEN WAS THIS CHANGED? WHEN WAS I NOTIFIED? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FAIR.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU MORE INFORMATION.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THOSE USES WERE APPROVED IN 2019 AND AGAIN IN 2021, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROJECT, IT'S NOT MY PROJECT.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT CAME TO THE CITY FOR APPROVAL TO ADD THE RIPARIAN SETBACK IN.
CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO ANY OF THE LAND USE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND WE WILL DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.
BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE, I REMEMBER THE HOTEL ON THE NORTHERN END AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS STILL SOME SIGNIFICANT FLOOD PLAIN ON THE SOUTH END.
BUT AGAIN, IF THEY ARE TO CHANGE SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SHOWN AS FLOODPLAIN DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN RECLAIM SOME OF THAT THROUGH FEMA B******T.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 5.1? HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 29.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER, I'M JUST TRYING TO GAIN CLEAR.
OH, SO JUST SAID SOMETHING BEFORE YOU MM-HMM.
GOOD EVENING THE TIME UP ALREADY.
MY MEDICINE, MY NAME IS SHAUNA WHEELS.
I LIVE AT 3 3 2 DURANGO DOWNS DRIVE IN HU.
AND I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT IS EXACTLY OR IAN CHANGE, IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE FLOOD ZONE OR WILL THIS IMPACT THE HOMES IN THE AREA? AND WILL THEY BE LIKELY TO BE TO EXPERIENCE FLOODING DUE TO THIS CHANGE IN THIS, IN THIS CODE OR IN THE WAY THE LAND IS SET UP BASED ON HOW THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE PLANS? IF I COULD, UM, OUR CITY ENGINEER IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, MATT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RIPARIAN SETBACK? YAY.
SO FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE RIPARIAN SETBACK IS JUST THAT IT'S A SETBACK, UH, THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO BASICALLY CREATE GREEN SPACE AROUND THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT HELD TO THAT PREVIOUSLY.
AND SO, UM, WHAT ALL WE'RE DOING, THIS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE PLAN.
THIS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THEY'VE DEVELOPED ANYTHING.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS CODIFYING BASICALLY THAT THEY DIDN'T MEET THAT PART OF THE UDC AND THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO MEET THAT PART OF THE UDC.
AND SO, UM, IT WON'T CHANGE THE WAY THE PROJECT BEHAVES.
SO BASICALLY TO GAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M REPEATING CORRECTLY OR THINKING ABOUT THIS CORRECTLY, IT WASN'T PUT IN PLACE AND IT WASN'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND RIGHT.
THEY DON'T READ THE REQUIREMENTS NOW.
AND THIS ADJUSTMENT WILL ALLOW US TO COME TO WHERE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALIGNED.
THE PRIOR CITY ENGINEER MM-HMM.
SO HE WAIVED THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND SO NOW THIS IS JUST BASICALLY BRINGING THE PUD DOCUMENT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE WAY THEY WERE, THEY DEVELOPED.
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CHANGES, IT'S JUST THAT WE ARE MODIFYING IT TO MEET THE STANDARDS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.MATT, CAN YOU CLARIFY ALSO FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN DURANGO FARMS AND EXPERIENCED FLOODING ALREADY, THIS DOESN'T IMPACT THE FIX THAT WAS DONE SO THAT THERE'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE FLOODING THAT OCCURS IN THEIR HOMES.
THIS IS JUST MAKING THE LANGUAGE ALIGN WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN DURANGO FARMS. CORRECT.
SO THE, THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING HERE IS JUST A PAPER CHANGE, RIGHT.
UM, THE FLOODING AND, AND A LOT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED BEFORE I CAME BACK TO THE CITY.
SO THE FLOODING FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HAS HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DONE ON SITE THAT HAS BEEN FIXED WITH A NEW GRADING PLAN AND NEW DRAINAGE PLAN.
THIS CHANGE IS JUST BECAUSE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THE CITY REQUIRES A CERTAIN SETBACK FROM A FLOODPLAIN OF ANY DEVELOPMENT.
THAT REQUIREMENT WAS NOT REQUIRED BY THE PRE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER.
AND SO THAT IS JUST, WE'RE DOING A PAPERWORK EXERCISE TO BRING THE PUD INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE WAY THINGS WERE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED.
SO THIS, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF THEY WANTED TO, AS THE PRIOR QUESTION CAME UP, IF THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP THE FLOODPLAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE FEMA PROCESS FOR THAT TO RECLAIM FLOODPLAIN.
NOW I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 33.
NOW I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR ITEM.
YEAH, I ASKED MY QUESTION AT THE WRONG TIME.
UM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, PAGE, UH, 1 0 9 AND UM, IT LISTS THE FLOODPLAIN THERE.
AND, UM, AND THEN ONE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE I'M CONVOLUTING HERE, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS, UM, AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS LOOKING AT THE, I GUESS A FLOODPLAIN IN RIPARIAN SETBACK AROUND WHERE THE PARK IS.
AND THE, AND PARCEL B ONE IS THAT, DOES THIS AFFECT THAT AT ALL? DOES THIS CURRENT ITEM AFFECT THAT? I GUESS THAT FLOOD AREA? NO.
YOU REMEMBER WHAT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
SO, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS NEVER HELD TO THAT STANDARD, SIMILAR TO WHAT MATT WAS SAYING, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER REQUIRED TO MEET THAT ADDITIONAL SETBACK BECAUSE IT WASN'T NECESSARY.
UM, OR IT WASN'T DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE CITY ENGINEER AT THAT TIME.
UM, IT DOESN'T AFFECT HOW THIS ONE WAS BUILT.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE HOMES OR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED OVER THERE.
AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS A GLOBAL CHANGE TO GET, GET THINGS, UH, ON PAPER.
UM, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME FLOOD PLANE DOWN.
I DON'T SEE IT ON THIS ON PAGE, UH, 1 0 9.
I DON'T SEE ANY FLOOD PLAIN WHERE WE DID THAT KIND OF REMEDIATION BEFORE.
SO IS THERE NO FLOOD PLAIN DOWN THERE? SO IT'S NOT TRULY FLOODPLAIN.
I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF DRAINAGE CONCERNS OVER THERE WHERE THEN A FRENCH DRAIN, BUT NOT FLOOD PLANE PER FEMA, BUT IT FLOOD AND ATLAS STUFF.
UM, AND THEN COMMISSIONERS IN RESPONSE TO THE PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE SENT YOU ALL THE 2019, IT DOES SHOW COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY TOO ON THAT TRACK IN THE 2019, UM, ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WILL BE IN YOUR EMAIL.
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, THERE'S EVEN A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT STATES THAT PARCEL SIX CAN ALLOW A HOTEL UP TO 60 FOOT IN HEIGHT.
AND A LOT OF THAT I BELIEVE IS CAN YES.
A LOT OF THAT WAS DONE BACK IN, UH, 2019 MM-HMM.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? UM, KIND OF A QUESTION.
UM, DOES THIS RIPARIAN ADMIN CLEANUP MM-HMM.
IN, IN THE LAST 30 DAYS, I HAVE SEEN PLENTY OF TREES REMOVED FROM THAT FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S FOR THE ROAD, ISN'T IT? UH, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT'S FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE WIDENING OF LEMUR LOOP.
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WHAT THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.THAT'S, THAT'S THE TRIM REMOVAL WOULDN'T COME JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IN A SETBACK OR THE FLOODPLAIN.
JUST, IT, IT JUST GOES UP TO THE TELEPHONE POLE UTILITY POLES.
YOU GET THAT OUT THERE THAT IT'S FOR THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING IN AND DECIDING TO PULL TREES OUTTA THE FLOODPLAIN.
WELL, THE TREES ARE PULLING OUT ANYWHERE.
ARE I, I I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SCRUB TREES, ET CETERA, BUT THEY ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND VICE CHAIR, JUST TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON 5.1? ALL RIGHTY.
I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION REAL, REAL QUICK.
UM, DID WE, I KNOW WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT OBJECTED TO IT.
IS THAT THE, OH, WE HAVE THREE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF IN IN THE PACKET.
YEAH, WE HAVE IN THE PACKET THERE.
WAS THERE ONE AT EACH OF YOUR PLACES CLAIMS? THREE IN THE PACKET.
I JUST HAVEN'T LOOKED SEEN THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM HAD COMMENTS, THOUGH.
THERE WERE THREE OBJECTIONS AND ONE IN FAVOR AND ALL OF THE OBJECTIONS DID NOT STATE WHY THEY WERE OBJECTED TO IT.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UH, NOTICES WERE SENT OUT? DO WE KNOW FOR THAT TOO? RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IT'S STILL WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE TOTAL DURANGO AREA.
I LOOKED AT THE, THE ADDRESSES WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM.
SO ALL OF MER MEADOWS WAS ANOTHER PUBLIC CODE YOU'RE CALLING.
HAD A CHANCE TO JOIN THE MAYOR MEADOWS, PRESIDENT OA PRESIDENT.
IS IT ALLOWED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE REOPENED? SURE, YEAH.
WE WE WILL, WE'LL REOPEN IT AT 7 38.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, I'M SHAYNA YOUNG AND I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR MAGAR MEADOWS.
UM, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THAT SIX PROPERTY.
WE'RE COMING FROM MY SON'S, UM, VAN RECITAL.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAD WHEN THE NOTICES DID GO OUT IN THAT LITTLE, THERE'S ONLY LIKE 200 ISH HOMES IN MAGAR MEADOWS THERE.
UM, AND WHENEVER DURANGO FARMS WAS WORKING ON THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM 1660, THEY DID COME OVER AT SOME POINT IN THE SUMMER AND LIKE READ LEVEL THE GROUND AND PUT GRAVEL AND SOME LIKE METAL POLES AND STUFF.
I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY DID SOME.
SO WE CAN SEE, I ASSUME THAT KIND OF LIKE FIVE POINT ACRES.
FIVE ACRES THAT'S IN THE PACKET FROM 21 MM-HMM.
SO I THINK WHAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THAT FLOOD PLAIN AREA WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND TAKEN OVER COMPLETELY.
NOT JUST THE PART THAT WE CAN ALREADY SEE HAS BEEN, UM, LIKE LEVELED OUT.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHENEVER I GO BACK TO THE RESIDENCE TONIGHT, I HAVE THE RIGHT FRAMEWORK LAID OUT THAT WHAT MATT IS SAYING IS RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WHAT OUR NOTICE WAS REALLY ABOUT WAS THAT SETBACK, THE REMIT ROMANIAN THING.
AND THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT LAND WILL BE FURTHER DEVELOPED ON THAT LEVEL SIX THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY GONNA HAVE HOTELS IN THEIR BACK WINDOW.
SO THIS IS JUST REALLY ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT ADDITIONAL SETBACK DOES NOT APPLY AS IT HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED.
SO AND SO THEN THAT ALSO MEANS BECAUSE IN LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, UM, IT WAS NEVER, IT WAS IN PLACE AND ALSO NOT REQUIRED FOR MAKER MEADOWS.
SO THERE ARE THINGS WHERE IT WAS OKAY IF IT WASN'T APPLIED HERE, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPLIED HERE IN THE SAME INSTANCE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME FLOODPLAIN.
UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY COULD BUILD OUT THAT FULL 10 AND A HALF ISH ACRES ON THAT EAST SIDE.
UM, THERE ARE WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS CAN CHANGE THE FLOODPLAIN TO MAYBE GAIN BACK SOME DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE.
IT'S, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE MEETINGS? UM, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
IT'S MORE GONNA BE ON THE FLOODPLAIN SIDE AND THAT'S WHEN YOU GET FEMA INVOLVED AND THEN THERE'S UM, CONDITIONAL LETTERS OF MAP PROVISION.
AND SO MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS TO SPEAK UP? NO, I DON'T THINK
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SO.'CAUSE I DON'T THINK FEMA'S GONNA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD THEN BE BEHIND THE SCENES.
IT BE A MAJOR, MAJOR THING TO GO AND LOOK AT FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT AN EASY THING.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS PROJECT PROBABLY CAME UP, IT WAS PROBABLY AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT PERFECT GAME WAS IN TALK.
AND SO A HOTEL AT THAT CORNER WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
WHERE RIGHT NOW WITH WHERE WE'RE AT, I DON'T THINK A HOTEL, ESPECIALLY A SIX STORY HOTEL RIGHT THERE WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
IT SEEMS A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN IS COMING FROM.
BUT IF AT LEAST I CAN GO TO THEM AND SAY WHAT THEY SEE GENERALLY WITH THE GRAVEL LAYOUT IS, IS GENERALLY THE LAND THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED UNLESS THERE WAS A FURTHER PUSH.
IS THAT SAFE FOR ME TO SAY? I CAN ANSWER THAT.
WE HAVE A OH GREAT DEVELOPER HERE.
DO YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE THANKS.
YOU GO THERE, IT MEANS IT'S SOME TO ONE CAN GO THERE.
JOHN MARLIN WITH MA PARTNERS 63 97 TANZI ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJOR CONCERN IS WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN AND TRY AND RECLAIM AND DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY FROM DAY ONE.
WE'RE NEVER GONNA DO THAT JUST SO WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS AND ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
UM, WHEN WE UM, SPENT TIME STUDYING THE GOALS OF THE RIPARIAN SETBACKS AND THE BUFFER, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES IN HUDU THAT HAVE THIS KIND OF NATURAL HABITAT AND THERE'S 10.6 ACRES, 5.8 ACRES WILL, WILL, WILL STAY THE SAME WAY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP IT.
WE'RE ONLY WANTING TO DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY THE 4.5 ON THE NORTH SIDE.
ASHLEY, CAN WE POTENTIALLY, WHEN WE SEND THESE NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, CAN WE ADD A LITTLE BIT MAYBE OF MORE CLARITY AROUND JUST GETTING MORE INTO THE DETAILS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN NOT AS MANY OBJECTIONS, IF IT WAS MORE SO.
I KNOW ON THE MORE CONTEXT WAS PROVIDED ON THAT ONE, WE DID SAY THAT IT WAS JUST TO CHANGE THE RIPARIAN SETBACK LANGUAGE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET ANY CALLS ON WHAT THE RIPARIAN SETBACK WAS ON ANY OF THE RESPONSES.
TYPICALLY WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO THAT GENERAL EMAIL THAT WE HAVE ON THERE, WE'LL RESPOND BACK.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN THE PACKET.
SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK THERE WAS, I WANNA SAY ON THIS ONE, BUT I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN.
THERE WAS ONE QUESTION OF WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL IT JUST, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD VISIBLY SEE BECAUSE THE FLOOD PLAIN'S STILL THERE.
UM, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FLOOD PLAIN.
IT JUST CHANGED THIS ADDITIONAL SETBACK WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE SETBACKS AGAINST THE FLOOD POINT.
UM, AND SO IT'S JUST REMOVING SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE NEVER REQUIRED TO DO.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET QUESTIONS.
IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ADD IN ALL THE THINGS ON THOSE NOTICES, BUT WE ARE PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, HEY IT'S JUST TO ADD RIPARIAN SETBACK LANGUAGE BEFORE IT WOULD JUST BE, IT'S A PUTT AMENDMENT AND THEN LET EVERYBODY JUST WONDER.
AND SO ON THIS ONE WE DID SAY IT WAS TO ADD THE, UH, TO AMEND THE RIPARIAN SETBACK LANGUAGE.
I THINK IF WE ADD MORE CONTEXT WE MIGHT GET MORE PARTICIPATION TOO.
THERE WAS SOME THANK SOCIAL MEDIA QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS WHERE I RESPONDED.
I I THE DISCLAIMER OF WHO I AM, BUT I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY MEMBER OR THE BOARD COMMISSION OR THE CITY OF HUDU, BUT DEFINING RIPARIAN AND UM, AND THEN WHAT KIND OF, WHAT, WHAT MATT WAS SAYING, BUT AS A CITIZEN, NOT AS THE BOARD, BUT I AGREE WITH CHERYL IS IF WE GET A LITTLE MORE THOSE, THOSE BASIC QUESTIONS, THEY'RE JUST WHAT IS A, YOU KNOW, REPAIRING SETBACK MOST PEOPLE.
AND CERTAINLY IF YOU SEE ANYTHING, 'CAUSE I KNOW, UM, OUR GROUP IS PRETTY GOOD, NOT MY TEAM SPECIFICALLY, BUT OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM IS GREAT ABOUT KIND OF LOOKING OVER SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU GUYS EVER SEE ANYTHING, ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM.
THEY CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THAT PLANNING PANEL.
WELL DAN THORNTON WAS INVOLVED ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA STUFF, SO HE WAS IN AGREEMENT AND I KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT IT.
IT WAS REALLY ALMOST TWO WEEKS AGO.
WHEN DID THESE GO OUT? TWO ABOUT WEEKS.
UM, GOSH, THEY GO OUT AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 15 CALENDAR DAYS PRIOR TO.
SO THIS WAS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN I AND I, WE USUALLY SEND 'EM OUT ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THREE WEEKS WAS WHAT ENDS UP BEING.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN AT 7 46.
NOW, UM, COULD I, COULD I ADD TO, UM,
JUST AS A NOTE TO ADD TO MS. STEWART'S THING, I, I, I AGREE THAT WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO THIS, TO THE NOTICES OF POSSIBLE.
ALSO, JUST AS A NOTE, UNLESS I TYPE SOMETHING WRONG, I ALSO JUST CHECKED THE URL AND IT DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE.
IT GOES TO A 4 0 4 ERROR AND I THINK THE URL IS
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ACTUALLY FROM BEFORE THE WEBSITE WAS REDONE.I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THOSE 'CAUSE IT WORKED THE OTHER DAY.
BUT I WAS, WELL, BUT ALSO IF A LINK BROKE.
BUT I WAS ALSO JUST MAKING SURE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED URL SO THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION.
YEAH, WELL OUTSIDE OF MY NORMAL WHEELHOUSE I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
ALRIGHT, NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 5.1.
I'LL MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 5.1 AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WIRTZ TO A ACCEPT ITEM 5.1 AS PRESENTED.
ITEM 5.2, CONSIDER A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE BLUFFS AT BLACK HAWK.
PRELIMINARY PLATT, 81.41 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED ON ROW LANE AT MELBOURNE LANE.
ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE BLUFFS OF BLACKHAWK IS LOCATED OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.
SO IT IS IN THAT ETJ OR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
UM, THERE IS A 2021 CONSENT AGREEMENT THAT CREATED THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT OR MUD, UM, THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
AND IN TOTAL THE MUD IS APPROXIMATELY JUST, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS.
SO IT'S OVER 456 ACRES AND THE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT REALIGNMENT AND THE REALIGNMENT BETWEEN, UM, HUDU AND PFLUGERVILLE ETJ HAS ALSO ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
AND THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT.
SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE.
UM, SO YOU SAW THIS IN OCTOBER, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THE PROPOSAL HAS NOT CHANGED
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UM, 10,013 LOTS.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT THESE RANGE IN 45 FEET, WHICH IS HU'S SMALLEST, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE TYPICALLY SEEING RIGHT NOW IN MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT ALSO GOES UP TO A STATE SIZED LOTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT USED TO SEEING WITH INSIDE THE CITY.
UM, SO IT DOES INCLUDE A 20 ACRE PUBLIC SCHOOL SITE WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ANOTHER A HUNDRED ACRES, UM, JUST OVER A HUNDRED ACRES OF PARKLAND.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED AS PART OF THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS AGREED TO BACK IN 2021.
SO THIS REALLY IS JUST FINISHING OUT SOME OF THAT, UH, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2021 WHEN THE MUD WAS CREATED.
UM, SO WITH THAT STAFF REVIEWED THIS, AGAIN, IT COMPLIES WITH BOTH THE CONSENT AGREEMENT STATE LAW, AS WELL AS THE SECTIONS OF THE UDC THAT WERE CALLED OUT IN THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT.
AND IT WILL BE SERVED BY MANVILLE AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN EXTENSION OF THE HU WASTEWATER SYSTEM, UM, TO SERVE THE SITE WITH WASTEWATER, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THAT CONSENT AGREEMENT.
SO WITH THAT HERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, DEFINITELY NOT WITHIN THE CITY, BUT UM, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO PART OF A MUD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE CITY, IT'S PERFECTLY WONDERFUL TO EXIST OUTSIDE IN OUR ETJ.
SO WITH THAT AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND THAT BACKUP, WE ALSO INCLUDED A PIECE OF STATE LAW IN CASE ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED OF WHAT WE ARE REALLY BEHOLDEN TO.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PLOTS THAT, UM, IF IT MEETS THE STATE LAW, IF IT MEETS CONSENT AGREEMENTS, IF IT MEETS OUR UDC OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES, UH, WE ARE REQUIRED ESSENTIALLY TO STATUTORILY APPROVE THOSE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE HAD 48 PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
WE DID RECEIVE AT THE TIME OF PUBLISHING TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.
WE STAFF IS STILL SAYING TO, UM, APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLATT BECAUSE IT MEETS THE CONSENT AGREEMENT AS WELL AS THOSE APPLICABLE SECTIONS OF THE UDC AND STATE LAW.
AND THERE IS ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE FINAL PLATT THAT THE MINIMUM FLOOR ELEVATION ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION WILL BE UPDATED TO THREE FEET, NOT TWO THAT IS ALSO IN EXCESS.
SO NOT JUST LARGER LOTS, BUT THAT IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES.
OUR COLINE REQUIRES TWO AND THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE US THREE FEET.
SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS ALREADY, SORRY, THIS ONE DOES STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
WE HELD ONE LAST TIME, BUT WE DID RE-NOTICE THAT.
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OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:51 PM IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 5.2? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:52 PM OKAY.COMMISSIONERS, THERE WAS A, A CITIZEN RESPONSE, UM, THAT MENTIONED ROADS AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE ROADS IN THAT AREA.
UM, IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE TERRIBLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEVELOPER HAS ANY TYPE OF PLAN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT THOSE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE HORRIFIC AND THEY'RE GOING TO, ONCE THIS IS BUILT, IT'S JUST GONNA ADD TO THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, UM, OUT THERE.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROADS AT ALL? NO, IT'S OVER.
CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? DO WE NEED TO, WE WOULD NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
CAN WE REOPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT YES.
ALRIGHT, WE CAN OPEN THE REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:53 PM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 2 22 24 APACHE PASS AND HURO.
UM, AND SO THE ROAD THING IS, I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT CAME UP IN OCTOBER AND SPOKE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF US NEIGHBORS DID.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GAVE US MORE TIME TO DO WAS TO GO HARASS OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES, WHICH I HAVE.
IN FACT, MRS. BAILEY, I THINK I HAVE A VOICEMAIL INTO YOU AS WELL.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE THE ROADS.
AND SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WORK, YOU KNOW, GET WITH THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE BECAUSE ROWE LANE IS ONE OF THOSE MAJOR ROADS THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
AND THERE WAS A BOND PASSED FOR IT.
AND SO, FUNNY ENOUGH, THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE DIDN'T ACTUALLY KNOW THAT EXISTED UNTIL I TALKED TO THEM.
SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY.
I WILL DEFINITELY SAY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY'RE SAYING THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE, THE BOND PASSING FOR ROWLAND.
AND SO THEY, BUT NOW THEY'RE IN THE LOOP.
THEY'RE, I WAS LIKE THEY KNEW ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT 'CAUSE WE HAD FULL MEETINGS.
THEY KNEW ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT ABOUT THE ROADS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS TRYING TO DO IS WORK WITH ALL THE ENTITIES WITHIN THE ROAD SYSTEM AND I WOULD LOVE IF YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE ON HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IN AND, YOU KNOW, CAN HAVE THOSE GOOD CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, RUSS BOILS OUT TO OUR, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL MEETINGS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN AND HAVE SOME INFLUENCE.
BUT, SO I WOULD JUST WANNA HARP ON THE ROADS, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND WE DO TO CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE AND IMPROVE? YOU SAID IT WAS A ROAD BOND THAT WAS PASSED, IS THAT WHAT SHE'S INDICATED? YES.
WHOSE BOND WAS IT TRAVIS, WAS IT TRAVIS? TRAVIS TRAVIS COUNTY'S BOND.
WHICH IS WHY FLEW PFLUGERVILLE APPEARED NOT TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
I, FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE OF WHERE I LIVE, THE DEVELOPER IMPROVED A ROAD TO MY SUBDIVISION.
I DON'T, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PIECE.
IF THE DEVELOPER HAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE, BUT I, I SEE SMILES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THEM OR NOT, BUT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AT MINIMUM, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF I WERE A POTENTIAL RESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, DRIVING ON THAT ROAD AS IT IS TODAY WOULD BE A HUGE DETERRENT BECAUSE I WOULD NEED TO BUY A NEW CAR RIGHT AFTER I BUY A NEW HOUSE.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE GUIDANCE RIGHT NOW.
I'M, I'M ALSO SEEKING FOR INSIGHT.
ROADS IS A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME WITH THAT.
UM, IN, IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU KNOW NOW THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE BOND, DOES THAT MEAN THAT TRAVIS COUNTY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILDING OUT, UM, REDOING AND EXPANDING THE ROAD AND DO YOU KNOW THE TIMING OF IT BASED ON THE BOND? UM, THE FIRST ANSWER IS YES.
THE SECOND ONE IS A BIG RESOUNDING NO.
SO THE, THE FOLKS IN PFLUGERVILLE GOT BACK TO ME AFTER THEY HAD THE MEETING WITH TRAVIS.
THERE'S NO TIMELINE, THERE'S NO PROJECT MANAGER ATTACHED TO IT.
THEY HAVE SOME, IF YOU GO ONLINE AND IT STILL SEEMS TO BE THE PLAN IS TO HAVE TO TURN IT INTO BASICALLY THREE LANE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TURN LANE IN THE MIDDLE WITH ON ONE SIDE YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULDERS AS WELL AS A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE OR ANY OF THE USEFUL DETAILS.
AND I ACTUALLY AM TRYING TO REACH, UM, THE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE ON ROW LANE IS JURISDICTION WISE, THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE OWNS PART OF IT.
TRAVIS COUNTY OWNS PART OF IT.
WILLIAMSON COUNTY OWNS PART OF IT.
UM, AND THEN MATT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTENSION.
SO WE'VE GOT LIKE REALLY FOUR PEOPLE IN TOTAL THAT ARE GONNA HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THIS ROAD, WHICH IS APPARENTLY ONE
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OF THE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN PFLUGERVILLE AND TRAVIS AND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR FROM CITY OR THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY IS THEY'RE DEVELOPING TO A CERTAIN POINT HOTTY HOTTY LANE AND THEN THERE'S A GAP OF 300 FEET OR SO BEFORE THE EXTENSION WILL KICK IN.SO I WAS ALSO CURIOUS LIKE WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT NO MAN'S LAND THAT'S SITTING THERE.
JUST WANTED ADVICE IF YOU HAVE ANY TO GIVE ON HOW TO GO IMPROVE THE ROADS.
ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
BETH BAKOWSKI ONE 30 OR 1 62 BRUSHY CREEK TRAIL HEAD OF TEXAS.
I LIVE ON AN OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO CONCERNS ON THE ROAD, NOT ONLY JUST ROW LANE AND HO LANE, BUT ALSO UM, KIND OF ROAD 1 98 AND 1 39 BECAUSE THOSE WILL BECOME HEAVILY USED MORE SO THAN THEY ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXPANSION OF THIS UNWANTED NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE ROSES AS UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART SAID ARE JUST AWFUL OUT THERE EVEN RIGHT NOW.
UM, PART OF 1 39 WAS JUST RECENTLY REDONE AND POTHOLES FILLED AND THE POTHOLES HAVE RETURNED.
THE POTHOLES HAVE RETURNED ON WILLIAMSON COUNTY SECTION.
THIS IS JUST GONNA BECOME EVEN WORSE.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE BEFORE ANY OF THIS BEGINS TO MAKE THE ROADS USABLE AS IS NOW.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SOME OF THOSE POTHOLES WILL TAKE OUT YOUR ENTIRE ALIGNMENT IF NOT ATTIRE.
SO, AND EVEN TO PASS ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON THOSE ROADS IS VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
UM, BECAUSE TRYING TO GET OVER THE EDGES OF THE ROADS HAVE BEEN BANDAID AND THEY'RE STILL NOT UPHOLDING AND THEY'RE FALLING APART.
SO THAT'S NOT JUST ON ROW LANE, BUT ALSO KIND OF ROAD 1 39.
SO, AND I'VE ALSO NOTICED DRIVING DOWN 1 98 RECENTLY, THAT'S STARTING TO FALL APART JUST AS MUCH.
SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THOSE ROADS BEFORE THIS REALLY GOES INTO, INTO EFFECT.
HEARING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:59 PM COMMISSIONERS.
SO TO CONTINUE ON COMMISSIONER STEWART'S POINT, WHICH I'M GLAD SHE BROUGHT UP, UM, ONE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE, I'M GLAD THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING RESEARCH ON ROADWAYS.
IT IS A BIG ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WITH BONDS BEING PASSED AT THE CITY'S COUNTIES LEVEL AND THEN SITTING FOR YEARS AND NEVER BEING ADDRESSED.
SO DEFINITELY KEEP PUSHING YOUR LOCAL POLITICIANS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY ON TOP OF IT AND THEY KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE QUICKER.
UM, AND ALSO ONE THING WE TRY TO DO IS STAY ON TOP OF DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO THAT LEADS TO QUESTIONS I HAVE WITH THIS, UM, IS WITH ROW LANE THEY'RE PLANNING, THERE'S AN EXTENSION PLAN WITH ROW LANE, UM, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THAT COUNTY ROAD AS MENTIONED BEFORE.
THAT IS A POTENTIAL OTHER ACCESS POINT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WILL THE EXTENSION OF ROW LANE AND AT A FULL WIDTH IN THIS AREA OCCUR BEFORE OR DURING THE COMPLETION OF THE INITIAL PHASES? IS IT BEING FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER? UM, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT ACCESS IS NOT JUST FROM THE CURRENT COUNTY ROAD BASED ON THE CURRENT LAYOUT OF THE, THE PLATTS? YEAH.
IF YOU, UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MATT TEMAN OR THE APPLICANT, UH, LIVE IN 3, 4 0 0 FINNEY LANE IN PFLUGERVILLE, NOT HODO.
UM, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
UH, SO THE ROWLAND EXTENSION WOULD BE THE UM, PIECE THAT'S IN BETWEEN COUNTY 1 39 AND THE ORANGE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
THE IDEA WAS TO DEVELOP THAT FIRST, MAKE THAT OUR, OUR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE TO THE MAX EXTENT PRACTICAL, YOU KNOW, PUSH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION DOWN, TRAFFIC DOWN ROW LANE TO AVOID, UH, WEAR AND TEAR ON 1 98.
UH, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACTUALLY VACATE THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF 1 98.
IT'S A RED LINE THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE T AND SITE.
UM, UH, AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO KIND OF AVOID PEOPLE TAKING 1 98.
SO THE 1 98 TRAFFIC IS REALLY MM-HMM,
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UM, BUT THE ANSWER TO QUESTION IS YES IN REGARDS TO ROADWAY MITIGATION.UM, SO OUR TRAVIS COUNTY ROADWAY MITIGATION FOR THE A HUNDRED OR 180 LOTS OR SO WE HAVE TRAVIS COUNTY, IS TO DO A, A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT JAKES HILL AND ROW LANE.
SO THE, THE THE $30 MILLION OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT TRAVIS COUNTY PASSES TO DO THE TWO LANES OF THE TURN LANE DOWN ROW.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE UM, SUPPOSED TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT JAKES HILL AND ROW LANE.
IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS I THINK 1 37 MM-HMM.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY OTHER MORO MITIGATION THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE AREA IS WE'VE CONTRIBUTED MONEY TO THE HEIDI LANE S-CURVE, WHICH IS IN THE FLU RIVER ELITE TJ, BUT TO AN S-CURVE THAT'S DOWN BY MA ELEMENTARY IN PFLUGERVILLE.
WE'RE ALSO SUPPOSED TO ADD A LIGHT AT HOTTY LANE AND SP UM, AND ADDITIONALLY WE ARE CONTRIBUTING $4,000 A LOT TO HUDA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S USED IN HU.
THERE'S REALLY NO OBLIGATION OF HUDU TO USE THAT, UH, ANYWHERE IN THE HUDU ETJ.
SO IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A TRAFFIC MITIGATION.
IF THERE ARE EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC THAT ENTER HUDU, IT'S SUPPOSED TO, TO MITIGATE THAT.
UM, AND, AND SO YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE, WE WANT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO BE DOWN, DOWN THAT ROW LANE EXTENSION, NOT 1 98.
I THINK THAT THOROUGHLY ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION I HAD THERE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, WHAT WAS THE TIMING YOU SAID ON THAT? WELL, IT'S FIRST THING, SO LIKE THE, WHEN I START, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, SORRY GOOSE, WE, WHEN YOU SAY FIRST THING, SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS? NO, WELL, WELL, I GOTTA GET MY, THE PRELIMINARY PLATT, WE PROVE THEN FINAL PLATT CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
SO BEFORE, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO A PRELIMINARY PLATT NOTE TO THAT EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO, THE ROWLAND EXTENSION PHASE IS BUILT FIRST.
SO BENEFITS US, UH, ECONOMICALLY TO HAVE THE EXTENSION INTO NOT JUST FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PURPOSE OF ROADWAY, UH, KIND OF WEAR AND TEAR.
SO LIKE, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING IN YOUR EYES IS LIKE, HEY, MOST DEVELOPERS DO, IT'S ECONOMICALLY BENEFICIAL TO THEM.
SO, WELL, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY THERE, I MEAN, TO KINDA LEVERAGE THAT IS THAT ANY EXTENSION THERE WOULD HELP ALSO HELP WHAT EXIST THERE.
AND IT HELPS THAT 1 98, I MEAN.
I'M JUST THINKING, SO ARE WE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE THAT COMPLETELY EXTENSION COMPLETE BEFORE YOU DO ANY OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO DELAYS AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, IS IT GATED OR I'D HATE TO HAVE THE EXTENSION START AND BEING, YOU KNOW, 80, 90% COMPLETE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
HOW'S THAT? HOW DO YOU ASSURE THAT YOU DON'T, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TOO MANY BALLS IN THE AIR AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, I WOULDN'T START, I WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU WOULD DO THE CONSTRUCTION TO WHERE THAT SECTION IS EX THE, THE SECTION OF RAIL EXTENSION IS ACCEPTED BEFORE YOU START BUILDING HOMES.
WHEN I SAY ROLLING EXTENSION, I MEAN THE PIECE THAT I UNDERSTAND CONNECTS THAT CONNECTS THE, THE HOUSES IN, IN THE 1 39.
ANYTHING ELSE ON 5.2? UM, WELL, WHILE WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE, I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
I KNOW I'M ASSUMING, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE ZONING EXACTLY IS FOR ALL OF THIS, BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT LAY DOWN, THIS IS A LARGE PORTION OF LAND WITHOUT ANY COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY COMMERCIAL GOING IN AROUND IT.
SO I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY REASON WHY THE ONE PIECE SIX B THAT'S SOUTH OF ROW LANE COULD NOT POTENTIALLY BECOME A SMALL COMMERCIAL PIECE, OR AT LEAST LOCAL COMMERCIAL VERSUS ADDING IN ABOUT 12 MORE HOMES.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT RESIDENTS REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR, IS THAT LOCAL COMMERCIAL THAT THEY IS WALKABLE.
UM, I'VE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO CHANGE IT NOW.
IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, IF, IF THE PLA PRELIMINARY PLATT'S APPROVED, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A POSSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS MELBOURNE, THERE IS TWO ARTERIALS THERE, SO IT COULD QUALIFY.
BUT MY, MY ANSWER WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD REQUEST
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THAT WE GET THE PRELIMINARY PLATT APPROVED AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT THAT.UH, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, WE DO HAVE A COMMERCIAL PIECE AT HOTTY IN DALE, WHICH IS KLUGER VILLAGE TJ.
WE'RE YES, ACTUALLY WORKING ON A, UM, A, UM, A, A RETAIL CENTER THERE.
RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, 'CAUSE WE LIKE MM-HMM,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE NOTICED.
SO, UH, WE WANNA DO A COFFEE SHOP RESTAURANT, A COUPLE A RESTAURANT OR TWO, AND THEN SOME, UH, LOCAL RETAIL IN, IN THAT SPOT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE AREA WE'VE DESIGNATED.
SO THE ANSWER IS, IS THERE, IT'S JUST NOT AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH IN THE FL TJ.
AND OBVIOUSLY NOT A CONDITION WITH US AT ALL.
I MEAN, WE'LL STILL GO THROUGH, IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT OTHER ONE YOU SAID IS ABOUT HALF MILE AWAY OR SO, AND I KNOW BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN HUD THAT WE'RE PASSING, THE RESIDENTS ARE REALLY WANTING TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT, UH, LOCAL COMMERCIAL FEEL CONNECTED TO THE RESIDENCES.
SO EVEN IN THE FUTURE, BEFORE FINAL PLATTS COME IN, IF THERE WOULD BE ANY WAY TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THAT AREA FOR ANOTHER TYPE STRIP MALL LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY, I THINK THAT COULD BE A HUGE RESIDENTIAL WIN.
YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, I, I'D CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT PLACES BECAUSE AS THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, WE ARE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THEY'RE LEFTOVER, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GET DONE.
AND IF THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, THAT MM-HMM.
SO I APPRECIATE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION.
ANYTHING ELSE? LEMME LOOK REAL QUICK.
SORRY I WASN'T HERE AT THE OTHER MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO THERE WAS, SORRY, ONE, GO AHEAD.
SO THERE WAS NO TALK WITHIN THE SIDEWALK NOTE ABOUT BUILDING OUT SIDEWALKS ALONG FRONTING ROADWAYS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE TRAILS WILL COVER THESE AND THE TRAILS ARE GENERALLY FOLLOWING THE LARGE ROADWAYS SUCH AS ROW LANE AND THE COUNTY ROAD.
BUT I'M ASSUMING, CAN WE CONFIRM THAT? UH, YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY CONFIRM.
CAN YOU SAY THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? I'M SORRY.
I'M ASKING YOU ALL THE HARD QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
TYPICALLY THE SIDEWALK NOTES SPECIFY THAT THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS ALONG INTERIOR ROADWAYS AND THE, UH, ADJACENT ROADWAYS.
AND THAT WASN'T A NOTE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS ONE FOR THE ADJACENT ROADWAYS.
BUT LOOKING IN AS FAR AS I CAN ZOOM INTO THE, THE IMAGES, IT APPEARS THAT TRAILS ARE ALREADY GOING TO COVER THAT AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF PATH ALONG ROW LANE AND COUNTY ROADWAY 1 98 AND THE MAJOR ROADWAYS.
IS THAT THE CASE? SO I CAN SPEAK TO ROW LANE.
I KNOW THAT, UM, WE ARE DOING A, A TRAIL, UH, SYSTEM.
I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS LONG STORY SHORT, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE COOL IF WHATEVER'S BUILT BY TRAVIS COUNTY, WILLIAMSON COUNTY CAN EVENTUALLY CONNECT AND PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM HERE, UH, KIND OF BACK TO SOME OF THE AMENITIES WE HAVE TO THE WEST.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE THAT AND TAKE THE SIDEWALK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE ON 1 98, I, I'M NOT SURE, UH, ONE 90 EIGHTS OKAY.
DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK HAS THE, THE NECESSARILY THE RIGHT OF WAY.
TRY NEED ANYTHING ELSE OR
I HIT, I HIT YOU PRETTY HARD LAST TIME, BUT, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, UH, MANVILLE, I'M ASSUMING MANVILLE WATER, UH, CAN'T KEEP UP.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN OCTOBER.
HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR CAPABILITIES IN THE FUTURE? OR, SO CAN I TAG TEAM IN? I MEAN, I, I, I CAN KIND OF GIVE MY SAME ANSWER, WHICH IS WE REQUESTED SERVICE, THEY GAVE US A LETTER AND I PAID THEM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE IN OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF HAMMERED YOU AND SAID, HEY, TALK TO THESE PEOPLE.
SO I DID, I DID RE REVISIT THAT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, ANY ISSUES, THEY HAVE NOT TOLD ME TO STOP.
PLANNING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, MANVILLE IS DOING A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.
36 INCH LINE COMING FROM LEE COUNTY.
UH, TOWER, THEY HAVE A PLANS FOR A TOWER IN THIS AREA, ET CETERA.
THEY, THEY DID SAY NOT AN ENGINEER, THEY SAID THEY CAN SUPPORT THE PRESSURE FROM THE LOOKOUT TOWER CAN SUPPORT THIS IN ADDITION.
AND THEY ALSO RUN PUMPS TOO OFF OF SOME OF THEIR WATER PLANTS.
SO, UM, THE, THEIR ANSWER WAS YES, I KNOW JEFF ALSO TALKED TO THEM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE HA GOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT OR IF THE ONLY THING O ONLY ONE THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS, UM, ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE SUPPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S GREAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT LINE OF SIGHT TO HAVE ENOUGH
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WATER COME IN.THEY DID CONFIRM EVERYTHING THAT MATT SAID ABOUT THE, THE REST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT I AM STILL VERY CURIOUS ON THE SUPPLY.
AND SO AS SOON AS THEY GET BACK TO ME, HAPPY TO SHARE.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE'S PROBABLY FOR, UH, THE CITY SIDE AS FAR AS THE WASTEWATER IS GOING.
WE'RE DROPPING IN, UH, WASTEWATER LINES AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT ARE, IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE ANY SORT OF PUMPING OR LIFT STATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND IF SO, IS THAT BEING CALLED OUT? I CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
UM, WASTEWATER, SO THE PART OF THE CONSENT AGREEMENT WAS WE DO BUILD A KIND OF A, A REGIONAL LIFT STATION OKAY.
AT THE NORTHERN TIP OF OUR PROPERTY, UM, THAT WILL PUMP UNDER BRUSHY CREEK, UH, VIA TO TO THE HU TREATMENT PLANT SERVICES VIA A WHOLESALE AGREEMENT.
SO THE MUD, UH, CONTRACTS WHOLESALE WITH THE CITY AND THEN THE MUD'S, THE RETAIL PROVIDER.
WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF, UM, WRITTEN OUR, UM, PROFESSIONAL SER THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT BASICALLY THAT THE CITY'S GONNA RUN THE SYSTEM AND DO THE BILLING.
UM, AND I THINK, IS THAT THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? PRETTY MUCH.
AND, AND THEN, AND, AND, AND I GUESS I GO, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS WE'RE PAYING FOR EVERYTHING AND WE PAY OUE FEES.
AND SO THERE'S NO LIKE, CREDIT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY.
AND YOU, YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING ON THE NORTH END OF, OF THE LAND THE RIGHT LIFT STATION.
IT'S OUT OF THE, JUST OUTTA THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THE NORTHERN TIP OF THE SITE.
'CAUSE I KNOW LIFT STATIONS TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT OF REAL ESTATE AND RIGHT.
IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT ONE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OFF ROW LANE THAT'S NOT MARKED, THAT'S ALL CORRECT.
THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION REGARDING THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER.
SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR THE WATER, BUT IT'S BETTER IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING.
UM, SO I'LL SPECULATE A LITTLE BIT, BUT PROBABLY THE REASON WHY MANVILLE CAN'T PROVIDE CLEAR DIRECTION ON WATER IS TYPICALLY WHENEVER YOU'RE, THE CITY JUST WENT THROUGH THIS.
THAT'S WHY I KNOW WHENEVER YOU'RE NEGOTIATING WITH WATER SUPPLIERS, TYPICALLY YOU'RE PUT UNDER A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.
AND SO ALL YOU CAN SAY IS I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE
AND SO, UM, I DO KNOW JUST FROM SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE THAT MANVILLE IS TALKING TO OTHER SUPPLIERS BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING TO SOME OF THE SUPPLIERS WE WERE TALKING TO.
BUT THAT'S MIGHT BE WHY THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING IN A TIMELY MANNER IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY BOUND BY NDAS.
WORKS RAIN SENSE, THE LIFT STATION THAT YOU'RE ADDING, THAT WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL AS WELL? THAT YES MA'AM.
THEY HAVE TO DO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK OUR, UM, OUR WASTEWATER CONTRACT, WHICH IS DRAFT, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE RIGHT NOW, DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT WE, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO ALLOW 'EM TO KICK THEIR LINES.
THEY HAVE TO ARRANGE THEIR SERVICE THROUGH THE CITY.
UH, SO THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF, OF WORK THERE.
AND, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING HENRY GIDEON AT H-H-I-S-D IN LIAISING AND PLANNING AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR TIMELINE AND OUR PHASING.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT OFFICIAL, BUT THIS IS, UM, I THINK ELEMENTARY NINE IS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ELEMENTARY NINE SINCE THEY ALREADY OWNED THE LAND.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, HEY, W HOW FAST ARE WE GONNA GET THERE AND WHEN ARE DOING, WHEN DID THEY NEED IT? SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME COORDINATION ON THAT END.
ANYTHING FURTHER? I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY, IT FEELS REALLY NICE TO SEE THE COOPERATION INTERACTION BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, DEVELOPER ENGINEERING, THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION.
DEFINITELY IT'S VERY, UH, REFRESHING.
NOT TO SAY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT, UH, I'VE ONLY BEEN UP HERE A YEAR.
BUT IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S A VERY, IT FEELS COMFORTABLE AND HOPE WE CAN MEET AS MANY NEEDS AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO REALIZING THAT NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA GET ALL OF THEIR NEEDS, BUT THE THING THAT WE'RE WORKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 5.2.
I MOTION TO ACCEPT 5.2 AS RECOMMENDED.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? WE CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT.
CAN WE ADD THAT THE, OH, I LOST MY PLACE ON IT.
THE ROW EXTENSION HAS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY START.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO ADD IT.
SO I'M, I'M USING MY, I'M NEW TO THIS CARD, BUT IF WE CAN ADD THAT IN AS A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE,
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UM, IS THAT POSSIBLE, ASHLEY, FOR US TO DO THAT? DO THAT NOW OR? WELL, WHEN THE PRELIMINARY, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD DO IT, BUT I, AND THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE.AND I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TIMING TO DO THAT.
IS IS THAT MORE LIKE TO WHEN WE DO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE ADD THAT TO THERE AND THEN ASSUME THE, I MEAN ACCEPT THE, THE AGENDA ITEM TODAY, BUT MAKE NOTE THAT COMING FORWARD WITH ANY, FOR THE FINAL, FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS, 'CAUSE THAT'S NEXT, RIGHT? THE FINAL PLATT WOULD BE NEXT.
RIGHT? THE FINAL PLATT ADD IT THEN AND THEN LOOK AT, REVISIT THAT AT THAT TIME.
I WOULD DO SOMETHING MORE OF AN FYI OF, HEY, ONCE WE GET TO FINAL PLATT, LET'S LOOK AT THE TIMING.
'CAUSE CERTAINLY NOT EVERYTHING IS IN THE DEVELOPER'S CONTROL.
SOMETIMES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COUNTIES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER TIMING.
SO WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL.
JUST BECAUSE FOR THE CITY SIDE, KNOWING THAT THIS IS IN THE ETJ, WE HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES WITH THE COUNTY ON HOW LONG WE'RE EVEN SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PLATT IN OUR POSSESSION WITHOUT IT BEING THEN STATUTORILY APPROVED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET ADDED AS AN FYI.
BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT IN THE UDC AND IT'S NOT IN A CONSENT AGREEMENT, IT'S HARD TO HOLD THEM TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN.
ONE THING I WILL OFFER IS TYPICALLY, UM, YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN NINE, NINE LOTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
THEY CAN'T BE ON THE SAME ROAD.
SO YOU SEE THERE'S ONE POINT OF ACCESS ALONG 1 98.
UM, AND THE SECOND POINT WOULD BE ROW LANES.
SO IT REALLY PROHIBITS US FROM DOING A WHOLE LOT WITHOUT BUILDING THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS.
SO IT CAN IT KIND OF SELF FULFILLING DEAL.
BUT IF I MAY, OKAY, BUT SOMETHING TO FOLLOW UP.
IF FIRE MARSHAL'S GONNA FORCE US THAT, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
SO, JUST TO, TO REITERATE THIS, TO MOTION TO ACCEPT 5.2 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY FOR PLAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEE TO ACCEPT ITEM 5.2 AS PRESENTED.
MAYBE ASHLEY GOING FORWARD IN SOME OF THESE MORE, UM, TEDIOUS, UM, AGENDA ITEMS AND WITH THE DIFFICULTY BETWEEN ALL FOUR GOVERNING ENTITIES, AS I ACTUALLY WENT AND TOURED THIS, I'D NEVER, I DON'T, I LIVE NORTH OF 79, SO HAVING DRIVING AROUND AND SEEING THE FIELD AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIVE THERE AND DEAL WITH THIS DAY TO DAY, BUT I DID NOT, I MEAN, I, I'M UP NORTH OF LIER LOOP, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT MAYBE TO, TO, UM, FOR US, MAYBE TO, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING JUST THE COMMISSION TAKES ON ITSELF THAT WE TAKE SOME TOURS IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PERSONALLY I KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE A, I GUESS IT WOULDN'T BE A WALKING QUORUM.
NO, I, BUT ANYWAY, JUST, UH, GOING FORWARD BECAUSE I, I MEAN, YEAH, AFTER THE, YOU KNOW, THE OCTOBER MEETING, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I HAD NO IDEA OF THOSE ROADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THE, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP KIND OF WALK GOING BACK THAT WAY FROM ONE 30.
PER PERSONALLY, IF IT'S ON OUR AGENDA, YEAH, I GO DRIVE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, I USUALLY DO TOO.
WELL, IT'S JUST ME BEING AS AN, I GUESS A NEW GUY.
YEAH, YOU GO STU, THAT, BUT ANYWAY, QUESTION.
HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PROPOSED PARK AT BRUSHY CREEK.
PHASE ONE LOTS, 1 26 AND 1 27 BLOCK G REPL 3.236 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND.
TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS LOCATED OFF CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD.
UM, SO THESE TWO LOTS WERE ORIGINALLY PLATTED IN 2006 AS PART OF THE PARK AT BRUSHY CREEK.
SORRY, THAT'S A TYPE ON MY PART.
THE PARK AT BRUSHY CREEK PHASE ONE FINAL PLAT.
UM, THIS PROPOSED RE PLAT, IT REALLY JUST REMOVES A LOT LINE.
SO THEY HAVE A LARGER BUILDABLE AREA.
THERE IS ONE ITEM ON THERE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WITH THE WAY THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE ORIGINALLY LAID OUT, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE TO MESS WITH THE PUE OR PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT.
WE MAY NEED TO, UM, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PLAT, BUT I JUST JUST DID WANNA LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE AWARE THAT IT IS STILL SHOWN ON THE PLAT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO COME OFF.
UM, IF THE TIMING WORKS OUT AND THEY CAN GET EVERYBODY TO SIGN
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OFF, WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE IT OFF THE FACE OF THE PLAT PRIOR TO RECORDATION, UM, WITHOUT HARM.IF NOT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, IT IS A VERY LARGE PUBLIC UTILITY.
OR I MEAN, IT'S, THEY'RE A LITTLE 10 FOOT, BUT IT IS BETWEEN, WE ARE AWARE THE LOT LINE WOULD COME OUT, BUT UM, AS THEY'RE LOOKING THROUGH THEIR SITE PLANNING, THAT MAY ACTUALLY NEED TO BE REMOVED AS WELL.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD NEED IT FOR.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS A PUE THAT STILL BISECTS THE PROPERTY.
WE, THEY JUST HAVE NOT MADE THE FINAL DETERMINATION IF THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT OR NOT, OR IF THEY WANT TO TRY TO REMOVE IT FROM THE FACE, THE PLATT OR GO THROUGH A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN PLATTED SINCE 2006.
UM, ONE SIDE IS CHRIS KELLY, RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, NORTH OF THERE, AND THEN THERE IS A VERY LARGE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE JUST SOME LITTLE ZONING MAP.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE RED SPOT.
AND HERE IS THE PLOT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, PUE THAT BISECTS THE PROPERTY STILL.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT IS A REPL.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.
THIS IS ONE THAT I DID RECEIVE A CALL ON.
IT WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS AFFECT MY PROPERTY? WHY DO I HAVE TO HAVE A NOTICE FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY AFFECT MY PROPERTY? UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED IN ITS COMPLIANCE, UM, ZERO CONDITIONS.
IT'S JUST WE KNOW THAT THE PUE MAY COME OFF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ON THAT ONE.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:23 PM DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OH GOSH.
I GUESS NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK.
SO WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING AT 8:23 PM ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONERS, JUST ONE QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD.
I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE IT OUT.
UH, WHERE IS THE ACCESS TO HUDDLE LAKE? SO THIS WON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO NO, NO.
I, UH, WHERE IS IT IN RELATION TO THIS? IT'S NOT CUTTING THROUGH IT, IS IT? NO.
I I COULDN'T QUITE TELL WHERE.
NO, THERE'S A LARGE, UM, BERM DAM EARTHEN THING, UM, AS PART OF THE FLOOD CONTROL FOR WC.
SO, UM, THAT'S STILL OVER THERE.
SO THIS IS ADJACENT, BUT YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT FROM THERE.
SO IT, IT IS ADJACENT, BUT IT'S NOT MM-HMM.
I, LIKE I SAID, I JUST COULDN'T TELL LOOKING AT IT.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS YOU'RE COMING OFF, OFF OF ONE 30 OR THE SERVICE OF IT TO THE RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
HOW ARE THEY GONNA, HOW ARE THEY GONNA UH, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT NOW.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT WHEN IT COMES TO IT.
I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME COORDINATION THERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE USES TO THE NORTH.
SO WE HAVE SOME DRIVEWAY SPACING.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY THINK THEY CAN FIT EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT ALSO SEEING A DRIVEWAY VARIANCE AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION RIGHT NOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET JUST FINE.
UM, ALSO, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TWO LOTS NOW.
SO IF THEY DID NEED ONE, EVENTUALLY, ONCE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THEIR SITE PLANNING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND REQUEST THAT.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT LINE INTO THE CITY IS GONNA BE SAFE.
AND, UM, I WILL SAY COMBINING TWO LOTS INTO ONE, IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THEN THAT THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE FOR A SINGLE USER.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING QUOTE UNQUOTE DRIVEWAY THERE.
CORRECT? UM, 'CAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY.
I WOULD NEED TO HAVE CLARIFICATION FROM MATT THERE.
WE CANNOT PRECLUDE SOMEONE, BUT AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THE SEPARATION, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY CREATING ONE, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT ANYWAY.
SO TYPICALLY YOU WOULD END UP REBUILDING, UM, AND MAKING IT BETTER.
IT'S JUST REAL CONCERNING COMING OFF OF THAT, OFF OF THAT TURN.
RIGHT? COULD YOU REPEAT? HEAR YOU? WE COULD NOT, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS.
THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON, UM, CHRIS KELLY INTO THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
AND WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE MOVED? AND ESSENTIALLY THEY, WE WOULDN'T PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS.
BUT IF, IF WE ARE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN THAT THE ACCESS IS BETTER FOR THE SAFETY AND THE ROADWAY IN GENERAL, THEN CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT.
BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE A LAW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL IS THERE, THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING ENTRANCE INTO A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO GRANDFATHER THAT INTO THE PROPERTY.
THE CITY OR WHOEVER CAN'T GO IN THERE.
SAY, I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOW.
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IT USED TO BE THAT WAY.UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS QUESTIONING BECAUSE WHERE THIS ENTRANCE IS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF TIGHT.
IF THEY USE THAT COMING OFF OF, OFF OF THAT, GOING OUT TO CHRIS KELLY OFF OF THE TALL ROAD THERE, OR IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S 60 MILES AN HOUR IN THERE.
ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING ANOTHER DRIVEWAY IN THERE? I'M THINKING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT IT THERE BECAUSE OF SAFETY.
THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT IT DOWN AT THE END OF THE, AND HAVE TO COME BACK IN THAT ONE.
SO IF I INTERPRETED THIS CORRECTLY, I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS THE, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES DISTRICT AS A NEW FIRE STATION.
UH, IT'S MORE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
SO IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL BUT THAT'S NOT THIS PROPERTY.
A DIFFERENT PIECE OF, OR THE THE FIRE STATION.
THE FIRE STATION IS ON A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S THIS WOULD PIECE PROPERTY.
THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAVE TO COME BACK, GO THIS WAY.
AND THERE'S, I THINK A GROUP OF TREES OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S THE FIRST SALE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
OH, THIS ONE THAT ROBERT FISHER WITH KW HAS EXACTLY THAT IT'S SOLD AGE.
THAT'S THE ONE IN BETWEEN ONE 30 AND 6 85.
YEAH, THAT IS, THAT'S AN 18 FEET.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM RE 600 FEET THE PROPERTY AT ALL, BUT I'M THE RAMP PLAING.
ANYTHING MORE? SO DID WE CONFIRM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I'M SO, I'M SORRY.
WHAT IS THE ENTRANCE TO THIS? IS IT, WOULD PEOPLE BE COMING 60 MILES AN HOUR? ARE WE SAYING THAT THAT'S LEGITIMATELY HAPPENING? DON'T KNOW.
PROBABLY WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY DO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT THEY SHOULD SHOW ENTRANCES OR WHATEVER AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHEN WE, THAT'S WHEN WE GOTCHA.
ON WHICH ONE? ON THIS, HUH? YEAH.
WELL THIS ONE'S A REPL, SO WE DON'T DO PRELIMS 'CAUSE IT'S JUST PLATTING.
THE ENTRANCE TO IT ON THE ENTRANCES, IT JUST HAS TO FALL BACK TO THE UDC.
SO THE DAYCARE TO THE NORTH, UM, THAT IS JUST TO THE NORTH, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THAT ONE ENTRANCE.
AND THAT ENTRANCE IS PRETTY FAR NORTH BECAUSE IT GOES ACROSS TWO OTHER LOTS.
SO THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SOME COORDINATION ALONG CHRIS KELLY JUST BECAUSE THAT'S TXDOT.
AND SO IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING EVERYBODY'S RULES AND REQUIREMENTS.
BUT TO TONY'S POINT, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN KEEP THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LOOK.
AND IF THEY NEED A VARIANCE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A DRIVEWAY VARIANCE AT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION BOARD ON.
THAT'S NOT ONE THAT ROBERT FISHER HAS THEN.
THE
SO YOU'RE DOING 60 RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, THE GAS STATION ON THE CORNER OF GROUP WESTERN.
YOU GOT THE DAYCARE SOUTH OF THAT.
THEN YOU GOT THIS, THEN YOU'VE GOT HUDDLE LAKE STREET AND DRIVEWAY.
AND THE, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING IS, SHOULD BE RIGHT IN THERE.
RIGHT BEFORE THE DAYCARE PATTERNS.
BUT THE INTEREST THING IS THAT EATING SPEAK.
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QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHTY.I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 5.3.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 5.3 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORKS AND UGH.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LEE TO APPROVE ITEM 5.3 AS APPROVED.
SIX OH ITEM 5.4, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PROPOSED HERITAGE MILL SOUTH SUBDIVISION REVISED PRELIMINARY PLAT 188.93 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 679 LOTS LOCATED OFF OF FM 1660 SOUTH.
THIS ITEM IS ONLY CON TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAD ALREADY NOTICED THIS BY THE TIME THAT WE REALIZED THIS PLATT WOULD NOT BE ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF OTHER RULES WITH STATE LAW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS JUST, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE IF WE NOTICE IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT.
UM, THAT SAID, WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES BACK THAT I SAW ON THIS ONE.
UM, THE, WITH THIS REVISION, I WILL TELL YOU, EVEN IN CREATING JUST KIND OF THE OVERVIEW OF THIS, THIS HAS FEWER LOTS BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE SHIFTED INTERNALLY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT READY FOR APPROVAL.
WE STILL HAD OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS, THEY DID SIGN OFF ON THAT SHOT CLOCK BILL WAIVER ESSENTIALLY SAYING, HEY, WE'LL STILL WORK WITH YOU.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL DO ANOTHER ONE, UM, ONCE WE BRING THIS ONE BACK.
BUT, SO THAT'S, THAT IS, I WILL POINT OUT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHY THERE WAS ONE ON FOR DENIAL AND WHY THIS ONE ISN'T ON FOR DENIAL IS BECAUSE THEY VOLUNTARILY WAIVED THAT PROVISION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DENY THE PLATS AND IT DOESN'T GET A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICT WITH THE RESUBMITTAL.
THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT HAD NOT WAIVED THAT PROVISION, WHICH THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE TO DENY THOSE BASED ON STATE LAW.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THAT THIS ONE ALSO HAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NOTICED FOR IT.
AND THEN WE COULDN'T, UM, WE JUST COULDN'T GET THE PLOT ON THE AGENDA AND IT WAS TOO MANY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SHOULD I ASK THAT AFTER? GO AHEAD.
FIRST ALRIGHTYY, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 5.4 AT 8:34 PM IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK FOR ITEM 5.4? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:34 PM COMMISSIONERS.
UH, MY QUESTION WAS A TIMING QUESTION THAT I THINK YOU'VE MAYBE EXPLAINED BEFORE, BUT JUST CLARIFICATION AGAIN SINCE THIS IS NOW BACK TO A PRELIMINARY PLAT LEVEL.
UM, DOES IT NOW HAVE TO CORRESPOND AND FOLLOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE UPDATED FUTURE LAND USE MAP? OR SINCE IT IS ALREADY PAST THAT, DOES IT NOT HAVE TO NOW CORRESPOND TO THAT? SO, OH, THAT'S A PICKLE.
SO I WANNA, I'LL ANSWER THIS ONE.
I STUMPED ASHLEY
SO, AND ON ANY OTHER, IT'S NOT RATIONALE ON ANY OTHER PROJECT.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT IF WE'RE COMING IN FOR A REVISED PRELIMINARY, EXCEPT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REALLY AFFECTS THE ZONING AND NOT THE PLATING AS MUCH.
IT WOULD AFFECT IT AS FAR AS ROADWAYS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
HOWEVER, THIS ONE IS ALSO IN A MUD.
SO IT'S PART OF THAT E TJ AND THE CONSENT AGREEMENT.
UM, SINCE IT, IT'S IN THE, WHAT'S GONNA BE HONEST.
WELL, NO, I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY.
THAT'S HONEST IS THE WORST ANSWER I COULD GIVE YOU.
BUT THAT IS, THAT IS THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS BECAUSE WE ARE DICTATING FUTURE LAND USE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.
IT'S OUR E TJ, IT'S, WE HOPE IT COULD DEVELOP AS, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING IN THERE UNTIL IT IS ACTUALLY ANNEXED.
AND WITH THE WAY STATE LAW HAS EVEN MORE SO RECENTLY CHANGED, UM, PEOPLE CAN NOW OPT OUT OF OUR ETJ, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE THAT AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, DISPUTE THOSE REQUESTS.
BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE STATE IS GIVING THE DEVELOPERS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL TO NOT HAVE TO COME INTO THE CITY.
WHICH THAT'S WHAT NOW THE CITY CITY'S TRYING TO REACT TO IS, WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? DOES THAT AFFECT THE CCN? DOES THAT AFFECT ALL THE SERVICING AND UM, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE FOR CITIES? SO, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME LARGER CONVERSATIONS, BUT AS FAR AS THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS LAND USE BECAUSE THAT CAN, THAT CAN CONSENT AGREEMENT OR WITH ESSENTIALLY A CONCEPT PLAN IN THERE WAS ALREADY APPROVED BACK IN, I WANNA SAY THIS ONE WAS 2020 OR 2021.
UM, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT.
VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ITEM TONIGHT WITH THE CONSENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPT PLAN.
AS LONG AS IT MATCHES THAT, WE CALL IT GOOD.
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YEAH.AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER PIECE IS I'LL BRING UP AGAIN, THE SAME THING I BROUGHT UP TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THIS CAME IN.
JUST AGAIN, VERIFYING THAT THEY WILL ALLOW THE FULL RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP INSTEAD OF PUTTING MULTIFAMILY ALONG THERE AS THEY'RE PLANNING, THEY STILL HAVE THREE YEARS OF THEIR FIVE YEAR REQUIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THAT.
SO I WILL BRING THAT UP WHEN THIS COMES BACK AROUND.
YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A STAFF COMMENT AS WELL IS JUST, HEY, ARE WE SURE WE'RE STILL GOOD WITH, UM, THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY AND SOME OTHER THINGS? BUT, UM, AND ALSO THEN ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT FRONTING ANYTHING LIKE MM-HMM.
THAT CAME UP IN THAT ORIGINAL DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE NOT FRONTING RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON THE SOUTHEAST LOOP OR THOSE FEEDER ROADS.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO BE PROBLEMATIC.
SO, UM, THOSE WERE ALL THINGS JUST, YOU KNOW, FYI, THIS CAME UP AT THE PRIOR, UM, AT THE PRIOR HEARING.
SO UNDERSTANDING THAT AND THEY'RE VERY AWARE.
UM, IT IS, WE WILL CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
I THOUGHT WE CHANGED THE, UH, NOTICES TO GO TO 600 FEET.
WE DID FOR A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT NOT FOR PLANS.
IT WAS ONLY, IT AFFECTED, UM, GOSH, USE PERMITS.
IT AFFECTED CERTAIN TYPES OF VARIANCES AND REZONING.
IT AFFECTED REZONINGS ZONING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL WE HAD UP LOOKED INTO IT BECAUSE IT AFFECTED SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE UM, WE HAD NOTED IN THE APPLICATION BACK WHEN IT ALL HAPPENED AND WE WERE IN THE TIME OF COVID THAT WE JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, SEE THIS ORDINANCE AND WE HADN'T UPDATED THE ACTUAL APPLICATION.
INSTEAD OF SAVING 200 FEET THAT IT ACTUALLY STAYED SEVEN 600.
WE JUST, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS FROM HOME, IT WAS JUST, HEY, GO DOUBLE CHECK THIS ORDINANCE.
IN THE CODE, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE REFERENCED IS CORRECT.
UM, SO IT'S MOSTLY THE ZONING ITEMS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY WANT THE INPUT.
ONCE YOU GET TO LIKE THIS, THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT WE HAD THE RESIDENT CALL AND SAID, WELL WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY DO FOR ME? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.
BUT THEY'RE CHANGING A LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT MIGHT INTEREST YOU.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO A LITTLE BIT.
CERTAINLY WHEN WE GET INTO RELAS, IF YOU'RE INCREASING DENSITY A LOT, SOMEBODY WOULD MIGHT WANNA KNOW LIKE, HEY, THIS USED TO BE TWO LOTS, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO EIGHT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR STAFF TO SAY NO'S FINE.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
UM, THE ONLY THING I REALLY, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR YOU TONIGHT, BUT THERE WAS AN ITEM BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS A TOUR OF THE CITY, JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE ONE.
I CAN SHOW YOU A TOUR OF THE CITY IF YOU JUST WANNA GET OUT AND OH, SEE SOME STUFF, LET ME KNOW.
UM, I DRIVE LIKE CRUELLA, SO GOOD LUCK TO YOU
IT'LL BE A LOT OF, IT'LL BE AN ADVENTURE, BUT CERTAINLY IF ANYBODY EVER WANTS THAT.
UM, THERE WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO KIND OF ENGAGE MORE WITH THE NEWER COMMISSIONERS IF YOU WANT.
I MEAN, WE CAN JUST HAVE SOME TIME.
UM, IT'S FUN IF YOU WANNA TRY TO BREAK ME.
I KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER MORRIS TRIES TO OF JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, STUMP ME, BRIAN, YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME.
COMMISSIONER LEE DOES THAT TOO.
DON'T I GET ANYTHING DONE? SO, UM, CERTAINLY YEAH.
IF THERE'S EVER A TIME THAT YOU WANT SOMETHING, JUST REACH OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ENOUGH STUFF THAT WE, WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK FOR YOU.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO GET TAKEN OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SHOW 'EM LIKE, HEY, HERE'S THAT NEW THING AND HERE'S THAT NEW THING.
OR EVEN IF YOU WANNA DO IT ON YOUR OWN, WE HAVE MAPS FOR THAT TOO.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF MAP OUT, HEY, HERE'S A REALLY BIG ONE THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN AND SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT WE SHOW OFF WHEN WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE CITY.
JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, DO YOU WANNA SCHEDULE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR YOU JUST WANT TO DO IT ON A ONE-OFF? UM, IT WOULD JUST BE ON A ONE-OFF BASIS JUST SO WE AVOID THE QUORUM ITEM.
REAL QUICK, IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO ON 5.4 FOR THE MINUTES THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE 'EM? OR, OR, OR ANYTHING BUT SINCE IT'S JUST UH NO, IT'S JUST A PUBLIC HEARING HEARING.
NO, IT'S JUST, I THINK, UM, ANGEL WILL JUST DOCUMENT THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HEARD AND THAT, UM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION HAD ASKED FOR PREVIOUSLY.
MAKE SURE, DID WE CLOSE THE HEARING? YEAH.
CLOSED, UM, FOR THE UDC REWRITE THAT'S, THAT'S COMING SOON.
WHEN IS KIND OF THE FINAL DATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ALL OF THE INPUT FOR POTENTIAL? IF WE CHANGES, WE COULD HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT ANYBODY HAS SEEN OR JUST, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THIS, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
CAN WE HAVE THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION? GET THAT TO ME IF YOU COULD BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
UM, 'CAUSE WE CAN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA ATTACK EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
SO THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ALL UM, ITEMS. I KNOW I WRITE MORE STUFF DOWN.
THERE'S THINGS THAT I SEE ALL THE TIME, I'M LIKE, OH, I DON'T LIKE THAT PART EITHER.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY, HEY, LET'S NOT MAKE THAT SAME YEP.
AND THEN CERTAINLY KEEP IN MIND AS WELL THAT YOU WILL BE SEEING A UH, UDC CHANGE.
IT WAS THOSE KIND OF STOPGAP MEASURES THAT WE HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS INDUSTRIAL HEIGHTS.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A STORM WATER.
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IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH SW AND STORM WATER THAT I'M, UM, THAT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON TO SEE IF WE NEED TO GET IT INTO THE CODE NOW.UM, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND I BELIEVE.
AND SO THERE'S JUST STRONGER LANGUAGE THAT WE WANTED IN THERE.
UM, SO THAT WHILE WE'RE REWRITING THE WHOLE THING, THERE MAY BE SOME STOP GAPS THAT WE PUT IN THERE JUST BECAUSE UM, WE KNOW THAT THOSE WERE GONNA BE PRIORITIES ORIGINALLY.
SO WE'LL STILL BE GOING THROUGH WITH IT.
BUT YOU WILL LIKELY SEE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS JUST TO BRING THAT INTO, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THIS CENTURY WITH HOW WE'RE DOING SOME DEVELOPMENTS, UM, CERTAINLY FOR INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN I THINK THERE, THERE CAN BE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT FIRM IS ALREADY WORKING FOR, UM, OR WORKING ON FOR US.
SO WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT JANUARY DATE.
AND THEN JUST KEEP IN MIND, NO, WHAT WAS THAT DATE? I FEEL LIKE I'M A PRAIRIE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, I NEED A BOOSTER SEAT OR SOMETHING JANUARY.
YOU JUST NEED A 24 PACK OF SUN KISS.
BUT I NEED, UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU, THE MEETING FOR JANUARY, 'CAUSE I WON'T SEE YOU LIKELY BEFORE THEN UNLESS YOU SHOW UP TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, IT'S ON JANUARY 9TH, NOT THE SECOND.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE TALKED INTERNALLY AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UM, Y'ALL ALL SITUATED AS FAR AS ANYBODY WHO MIGHT ALSO HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.
UM, SO WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT AS WELL.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT MEETING IS ON THE NINTH.
'CAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE LIKELY TO NOT GET A QUORUM ON THE SECOND.
I DON'T THINK THE MEETING'S ON THE NINTH IS IT? YEAH, I THINK IT IS.
I MEAN WE MAY HAVE CHANGED IT THIS LAST MEETING.
SO IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WE'RE JUST STILL WORKING ON THAT.
STILL I TELL HIM TO MOVE IT TO THE EIGHTH.
WHY DON'T WE? WHY NOT? I THINK WE NEED TO.
I THINK YOU MIGHT MEET MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WE DO AS FAR AS WE OH YEAH.
SO I MEAN THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT MAYBE GETTING QUICK QUESTION REGARDING UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY SNEAK PEEKS OR INTEL ABOUT THE END OF YEAR COUNCIL REPORT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE 14TH.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE IS TIME JUST FOR A QUICK PRESENTATION TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE.
I CAN TELL YOU AFTER LOOKING AT THE NOVEMBER NUMBERS, WE HAVE BEEN BUSIER IN THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE THAN WE WERE LAST CALENDAR YEAR.
I THINK LAST CALENDAR YEAR WE ENDED AT 7 52.
UM, WE ARE ALREADY OVER A THOUSAND SINGLE FAMILY HOME PERMITS.
SO YEAH, WE ARE STILL MOVING AND GROOVING.
LIKE NOBODY GOT THE MEMO THAT WE COULD SLOW DOWN JUST SLIGHTLY
SO, UM, WE ARE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE STILL OBVIOUSLY NOT BACK TO THE COVID NUMBERS THAT VERY INTENSE THAT YEAR.
WE HAD OVER 2000 PERMITS, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT AS SLOW AS WE WERE IN 2019.
UM, SO I HAVE NOT YET PUT ANYTHING ON THERE.
IT'S USUALLY JUST AN OVERVIEW OF HERE'S THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND HERE'S THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE OF YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PLOTS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
I THINK THE BIGGEST IS GOING TO BE THAT THE, WITH THE OFFICIAL ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THOSE WORKING ITEMS OF HOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOWARDS.
BUT I JUST HAVE TO SEE ON WHERE THAT ENDS OUT BECAUSE I DO LIKE GIVING THAT REPORT OF JUST, HEY, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY COOL THINGS HERE.
UM, AND CERTAINLY BECAUSE I THINK ONE THING THAT MIGHT GET LOST ON IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS BOARD IS, IS FOR THE PLATS AND FOR THE THINGS LIKE THE DATA CENTER EARLIER THAT IS THE SKYBOX PROLOGIS, UM MM-HMM.
AND THAT IS, I MEAN YEAH IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY COOL PLA IT'S SOME REALLY GOOD LINES ON THERE.
UM, BUT ALSO TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY ENDS UP AFFECTING LIGHTS
AND, AND TO SEE LIKE, HEY WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE GETTING DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT THEN ALSO THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING BROUGHT IN BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO HAVE WE CONSIDERED THOSE THINGS? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? AND THEN ALSO, ARE WE CONSIDERING IT IS THE UDC ENOUGH IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT WITH THE NEXT UDC? 'CAUSE WE CAN SHIELD LIGHTS, BUT EVEN WHEN I'M DRIVING INTO TOWN AND IT'S AFTER DARK, YOU CAN SEE THE GLOW FROM SAMSUNG MM-HMM.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT MEETING THEIR LIGHTING STANDARDS.
IT'S JUST GONNA GLOW DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THERE'S THE BUILDING NOW OR THERE'S, FOR THEM IT'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS.
BUT UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF HOW DO YOU MITIGATE THAT? BECAUSE EVEN IF IT'S A MINOR CHANGE, IT DOESN'T SEEM MINOR ALL THE TIME.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE.
AND SO HOW TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S
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THINGS CHANGING.I MEAN CERTAINLY TONIGHT EVEN UM, WITH THE 2019 ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S COLORED MIXED USE ON THE 2019 ORDINANCE.
AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MYRIAD OF THINGS, BUT IT'S STILL A CHANGE.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T EVER SAY, WELL THEY'RE NEVER GONNA DEVELOP THAT OR THEY CAN'T RECLAIM ANY OF THAT FLOOD POINT 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SAY THAT THEY CAN'T.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL A CHANGE AND IT'S A CHANGE FOR ANYBODY WHEN YOU KNOW YOU WERE HERE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GONNA, YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE ONE THING AND EXACTLY.
AND HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN JUST, OKAY, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT SAID AND, AND HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE.
AND SO JUST TRYING TO GET THAT OUT TO COUNCIL TO BE LIKE, HEY, WHAT, WHAT THIS BOARD AND THE, WHAT THIS COMMISSION DOES IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL GROWTH OF THE CITY.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A LOT OF PLATS AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE CIP AND THE REST.
SO, AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA GET, WE GET TO START DOING THE CIP STUFF TOO.
WE'RE GONNA START DOING IT A LOT EARLIER.
SO YES, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT IN JANUARY AS WELL WITH THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK IS BASED ON THE CIP AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BOARD AND SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS THAT WE HAVE, ARE WE MAKING ANY PROGRESS ON SOME OF THOSE SPRING CO MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS, WHATEVER BETWEEN LIKE CITY COUNCIL OUR COMMISSION, A COUPLE OTHER COMMISSIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE STRATEGIC FOCUSES.
I EMAILED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY LAST WEEK KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING INTO A COUNCIL WEEK, BACK TO BACK COUNCIL WEEKS ACTUALLY.
SO THAT'S GONNA, UM, SEEING WHAT DAYS COULD WORK, BECAUSE I KNOW WITH THE UDC REWRITE, ONE THING WITH THEM IS TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER.
SO WE WOULD HAVE P AND Z AND CITY COUNCIL IN THE SAME ROOM AND HAVE A JOINT SESSION TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE THINGS.
UM, I KNOW THAT PARKS HAS ALSO ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH PNZ.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE THING OF, WELL WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT FOR THE UDC AND THEY'VE ALREADY SET THAT IN THE WORK SCHEDULE AND THE CONTRACT IS HOPEFULLY JANUARY.
SO HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT? BUT THEN ALSO NOT HAVE, YOU HAVE TO BE HERE FOUR TIMES POTENTIALLY IN JANUARY BECAUSE OF JOINT MEETINGS AND THE REST.
AND SO HOW DO WE COLLABORATE WITH THAT? SO WORKING WITH THE PARK DIRECTOR AND CITY SECRETARY TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE SPACE, BUT THAT UM, WHATEVER DATES WE'RE PROVIDING ARE GONNA BE ONES THAT IT'S NOT, HEY BY THE WAY, NOW YOU HAVE SIX NIGHT MEETINGS THIS MONTH AND ISN'T THAT GRAND.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY ALSO TRYING TO REMAIN RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY ELSE'S OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMISSION LIFE AND SCHEDULE.
SO YOU WILL BE SEEING MORE ON THAT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIRM UP SOME DATES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK BETWEEN THAT WE CAN JUST OFFER OUT THAT WE KNOW WE COULD GET A QUORUM WITH COUNCIL AND WE COULD GET A QUORUM, UM, POTENTIALLY WITH THIS BOARD AND WHERE DO WE HAVE SPACE ON THE ROOMS. AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THAT FOR UM, PARKS.
PARKS IS GONNA BE INTERESTING.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY PARKS IS ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ITEMS COMING IN FOR HISTORIC OR ZBA OR BUILDING BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THOSE A LOT OF TIMES ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS AS NEEDED.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS OF LIKE, WELL IF WE GET A SCHEDULE AND THAT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT THEN WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE OTHER MEETINGS.
SO ONCE I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT THE, THE SUBMITTAL DEADLINE FOR ONE OF 'EM.
SO I KNOW ON ONE BOARD WE SHOULD BE SAFE SOON BECAUSE WE'RE, IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT BY THAT TIME, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THAT MEETING.
UM, SO ON SOME OF THOSE WE SHOULD BE GOOD, BUT SOME OF IT'S JUST, IT REALLY IS.
IT'S JUST WHAT DO WE HAVE AND WHAT COULD COME IN AND DOES THAT TAKE OUT THAT DATE AND HOW DO WE GET THAT, UM, I'LL SCHEDULED.
BUT CERTAINLY WE ARE GONNA TRY TO HAVE SOME JOINT MEETINGS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ONE THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO WITH YOU WITH ZBA AND PNZ BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU DID START ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, AND START BRINGING YOU GUYS, SAY THAT AGAIN, UH, FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND PNZ TO ALSO HAVE ONE OF THOSE.
I THINK IT COULD BE, UM, INTERESTING TO HEAR IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ONE THAT WE WERE BECAUSE OF AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE WITH AN EASEMENT HOLDER THAT THEN ESSENTIALLY CHANGED THEIR MIND AT THE END.
BUT, UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS OF JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE ON OTHER BOARDS THAT AREN'T AS ACTIVE AND MAYBE THEY WANT TO MOVE UP TO PNZ EVENTUALLY THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING JUST TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ZBA WITH THE ZONING ASPECT OF IT THAT COULD BE MM-HMM.
UM, AND KIND OF HAVE THAT, THOSE TWO GROUPS COME TOGETHER AS WELL.
BUT CERTAINLY AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BOMBARD YOU WITH ALL THE MEETINGS 'CAUSE AS MUCH FUN AS WE HAVE.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ALSO HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
AT LEAST OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL.
QUESTION, UM, DID YOU MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE ENGINEERING HANDBOOK SCHEDULE OR THAT THAT ONE IS COMING SUMMER IN, I BELIEVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK WE WORK ON THE UDC FOR ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE CONTRACT AND THEN THAT STARTS UP, BUT IT'LL BE AT THE SAME TIME WHEN WE'RE HAVING THOSE CALLS, WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING TWO OR THREE MONTHS OUT THOUGH.
'CAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG ON WHEN THAT ONE STARTS COMPARED TO WHEN THE UDC STARTS.
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TECHNICALLY ALREADY WORKING ON THE UDC PORTION JUST WITH THOSE, UM, THE QUICKER AMENDMENTS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA NEED.AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THE LIST OF ISSUES THAT I'VE SENT OUT AT THE LAST MEETING AND AND HOW THAT RELATES TO BUILDING AND STANDARDS, I GUESS THE UDC AND THE HANDBOOK TOGETHER WILL MODIFY THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING GOING ON THERE? SO POTENTIALLY YES.
ON THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS, I KNOW THAT IN JANUARY THE STATE UPDATED THE ELECTRIC CODE AND SO I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA NEED TO DO A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO GET THAT DONE BECAUSE GRANTED, THAT ONLY AFFECTS THE CITY CODE.
SO IT WOULD BE THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEN WE DO KIND OF SKIP BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THE BUILDING CODES FOR THIS 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE UDC INTO WHAT THIS COMMISSION OVERSEES.
SO THAT WILL ALSO BE HAPPENING IN JANUARY, WHICH IS ANOTHER ONE OF WHAT I AS WELL I'M ON.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE P AND C THOUGH.
BUT THINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING OUT OF THE UDC AND THE DEVELOPMENT MANUALS COULD END UP NECESSITATING LOCAL CHANGES TO THE BUILDING CODES NOW.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY REQUIREMENTS OR LOCAL AMENDMENTS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH NEW ICC CODES.
HOWEVER, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR ANYWAY.
SO IF WE ADOPT, WE NEED TO STAY WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS.
AND WE'RE STILL ON THE 20 EIGHTEENS, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY, BUT, UM, IT WASN'T
SO I THINK A LOT OF IT, IT'S GREAT THAT IT'S ALL TYING IN TOGETHER ALL THE SAME TIME.
BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A LOT OF MEETINGS.
IS ANYONE ELSE ON P AND Z AND BNS.
SO I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS.
I'M, YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THAT YOU'RE IN YOUR FIFTIES.
I'M IN YOUR SIXTIES AND SOME ARE IN THEIR SEVENTIES, BUT WE WON'T SAY WHO HUSH
WE, WE DIDN'T SAY WHO, BUT CERTAINLY YEAH, WE'VE GOT BUT, UH, LAST QUESTION.
UM, IS THAT P AND Z INVOLVED IN FEE SETTING TYPICALLY? NO, THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S MONETARY.
UM, AND I WAS THINKING THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING, THE ONLY TIME, OH, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ACTUALLY BROUGHT FEES TO YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DONE FEE CHANGES BECAUSE OF STATE LAW CHANGES.
I THOUGHT IMPACT FEES WERE ONE THAT YEAH, IT WAS IMPACT FEES IS WHAT THAT IT WAS IMPACT FEES, TREES IMPACT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M SORRY.
SO I WILL THEN I'LL TAKE THAT BACK.
SO YES, IMPACT, IMPACT, IMPACT, THAT'S, I IMPACT FEES, BUT IMPACT FEES MORE SO IN YOUR ROLE AS THE CIP MM-HMM.
AND YOU'RE SITTING IN THE EXACT SAME CHAIRS.
WHAT'S C? BUT THAT'S UM, CAPITAL TAP PERMIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S STILL THE P AND Z BOARD.
AND THEN YOU'RE JUST SITTING WITH A DIFFERENT HAT ON AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR HAT BACK ON FOR P AND Z AND THEN WE CONTINUE.
I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING GOING OVER.
SO WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT? OR IS THERE THAT FOR ANYTHING IMPACT RELATED FIRST QUARTER, SECOND QUARTER, OR SOON? I'M THINKING THIRD, FOURTH ON.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE CIP AND THOSE MASTER PLANS AND THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN TO SEE IF ALL THE FEES ARE CORRECT.
I DIDN'T HAVE THIS WRITTEN DOWN, I JUST REMEMBERED IT IN MY HEAD THAT WE STUFF COMING UP.
UM, COMMISSIONER HUDSON DID BRING UP THAT YES, SOMETIMES YOU ARE INVOLVED IN FEES AS FAR AS THE TREE MITIGATION FUND THAT WAS PUT IN CODE THAT ONLY PERTAINS TO INDUSTRIAL LOTS THAT ARE ABLE TO MITIGATE FOR SOME OF THEIR TREES.
IF THEY LITERALLY CANNOT FIT ON SITE, THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY DON'T FIT ON SITE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BRING YOU THREE BIDS.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN THE FINANCIAL.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WE GOT INVOLVED IN THE MONEY.
IS AND THEN IT'S JUST, IT'S OUT OF THE THREE BIDS.
IT'S WHAT PNZ CHOOSES AND THEN THAT GOES BACK AND THEN THEY PAY THAT INTO THE TREE MITIGATION OR THE PARKS FUND FOR TREE MITIGATION.
BUT EVEN THEN YOU'RE NOT SETTING THE FEES 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL ITEM.
YOU'RE MORE ACCEPTING ONE OF THREE BIDS THAT THEY'VE SHOWN YOU THAT HAS THE UM, OR NOT.
WE JUST, IT'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
SO YOU WOULD FOR ON YOUR, IN YOUR ROLE AS CIAC MEMBER BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEES AND YOU DO DEFINITELY, WHAT WAS CIAC? UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISORY.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I DID KNOW.
WE DO PLAN WITH THAT TO MEET EARLIER IN THE YEAR.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WORKING ON THE CIPI IN JANUARY IS THE LAST I'VE TALKED WITH.
LET'S SPACE SOME OF THOSE OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW JUST FOR A MONTH THOUGH.
THAT'S WHERE I'M LIKE, OKAY WAIT, I HAVE TO HAVE THESE JOINT MEETINGS.
I NEED THAT JOINT MEETING, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS MEETING AND WE HAVE THE WHATEVER GOAL WE CAN DO TO NOT SIT HERE TILL 2:00 AM ON CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD TO HAVE IT START EARLIER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST DO IT ALL IN ONE MEETING AND THEN WHERE WE CAN, WE'LL
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HAVE TEAMS MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE UDC AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WHERE YOU CAN PARTICIPATE.WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT AT A TIME THAT YOU CAN POP ON DURING YOUR LUNCH HOUR AND PARTICIPATE AND STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE PHYSICALLY.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE MORE TIME.
I MEAN YES, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE TAKING AFTER LUNCH HOUR AND WE WILL ALL BE EATING WHILE WE'RE ON HOPEFULLY SCREENS.
MAYBE WE JUST WON'T HAVE OUR CAMERAS ON FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
BUT NOT NECESSARILY AFTER HOURS.
I DON'T MIND THE AFTER HOURS AS LONG AS WE HAVE FOOD.
IF WE EVER HAVE A CIP MEAL, I WILL DEFINITELY BE ORDERING FOR SNACK.
SO LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING AFTER WE WERE HERE TILL 2:00 AM YEAH, FOR SURE.
AND A COUPLE OF THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
PIZZA THEN JUST REMIND IF YOU WANT ME TO DRIVE YOU AROUND, I PROMISE I'LL OBEY ALL SPEED RULES.
YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY MAKE YOU SIT IN THE BACK SEAT AND JUST DRIVE YOU LIKE THIS DAISY THOUGH.
SO YEAH, IF YOU DO WANT ANYTHING OR IF YOU JUST WANT A MAP TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON YOUR OWN, LET ME KNOW.
'CAUSE WE UPDATE THOSE, UM, WITH SETH.
AND I CAN ALWAYS JUST EMAIL YOU A MAP IF YOU KIND OF WANNA SEE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S WHERE TITAN IS AND THIS IS SOME OF THE STUFF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OR I'LL BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A MAP AND DRIVE YOU TO ALL OF 'EM.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, I CAN ANSWER 'EM FOR YOU AND JOHN WILL GO AND PROVIDE MARGARITAS.
IT'S NOT AN OPEN CONTAINER IN THE VEHICLE.
WE'RE DONE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, AND WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 8:58 PM AWESOME.