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[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
O'CLOCK.WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7TH, 2023 TO ORDER.
WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
OH, DO I NEED TO SEE IT HERE? KOHL HERE.
[3.1. Consideration and discussion on Brushy Creek Amphitheater and potential improvements (Jeff White)]
CONSIDERATION, DISCUSSION OF BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER AND POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS.MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS, PARKS, RECREATION.
UM, RECAP HERE OF THE, UH, PROCEDURE THAT THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED AS P 16 2 0 24, UH, IN THE CIP AND OCTOBER 12TH.
UH, RESOLUTION 2 0 2 3 2 65 WAS APPROVED WITH A WM, UH, TO THE STUDY ON THIS.
AND SO OWEN HARRIS IS HERE WITH, UH, MW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM TO THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF A DETAILED ASSESSMENT THAT WE CONDUCTED BY MULTIDISCIPLINARY WITHIN OUR FIRM, ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, CIVIL ENGINEERING, UH, AND JURISDICTIONAL PROFESSIONALS.
UH, IT'S AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, RESPONSES RECOMMENDED FOR THE BRUSHING AMPHITHEATER.
UM, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY, THE CONCERN WITH THE FACILITY IS, UH, THE LACK OF SOUND ABATEMENT AND THE HISTORY OF PRIOR COMMENT.
UH, DETAILED REPORT WAS COMMISSIONED BY THE CITY OF HUDA AND DETERMINED THROUGH STUDY AND MEASUREMENT, UH, THE EXTENT OF SOUND PROPAGATION FROM THE SURROUND OF ITS EXISTING CONDITION.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDE, THE, UH, BOUNDARY OF THE ORANGE ZONE, WHICH IS, UH, NOISE ON THE LEVEL OF 75 DECIBELS, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO A, UH, FREIGHT TRAIN AT 45 MILES AN HOUR, OR A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AT A THOUSAND FEET, UH, IS BEING RECORDED WITHIN A MILE OF THE, UH, OF THE STAGE.
UH, AND THE INTENSITIES, UH, CLOSER THAN THAT, THE AREAS IN RED, BLUE, AND PURPLE, UH, ARE ACTUALLY DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SOUND FROM A, UH, HIGHLY AMPLIFIED CONCERT MUSIC.
SO THE CONCERN IS, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET A COPY OF THE SLIDES? 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT AT ALL.
THE, UH, STUDY PREPARED BY ROLAND WOOLWORTH AND ASSOCIATES.
I HAD TWO FUNDAMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, THE PREFERRED OPTION WAS TO RELOCATE THE AMPHITHEATER.
THEY ALSO OPENED THE POSSIBILITY OF LOCALIZED IMPROVEMENTS TO BETTER CONTROL SOUND OF THE SITE.
OUR INVESTIGATION, UH, STUDIED THE FEASIBILITY OF THE SECONDARY RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE PREFERRED FIRST WOULD BE, UH, RELOCATION.
THE, UH, RELOCATION OPTION POSED, UH, RECONFIGURATION OF THE SITE TO ANOTHER PUBLIC USE.
UM, THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED DUE TO THE ENCROACHMENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN VISIBLE IN THE SMALL, UH, EXHIBIT ON THIS SLIDE.
UH, MOST OF THE APPLICATOR SIDE IS ACTUALLY WITHIN THE, UH, 1% OR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, AND THE REST OF IT WITHIN THE 500 YEAR, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE SECTION, UH, AND I APOLOGIZE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO TO VISUALIZE, BUT THE AMPHITHEATER IS VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, BEING WATER ELEVATION IN THE CREEK.
EVEN AT A, UH, ON THE TYPICAL EVENT, MING, IT'S, UH, GOING TO BE VERY CHALLENGING TO DO MUCH CONSTRUCTION HERE WITHOUT EITHER IMPEDING, UH, THE FLOODWAY OR, UH, CREATING, UH, ESSENTIALLY A BALL THAT, UH, THAT WILL DRAIN OF THE VARIANCE OF THE SECOND OPTION.
THE, THE BEST, THE BEST, MOST DECISIVE APPROACH WOULD BE TO ENCLOSE THE FACILITY TO PROVIDE A, UM, FULLY CONTAINED, UH, INDOOR VENUE.
UH, THIS IS POSSIBLE ON THE SITE WITHOUT ENCROACHING ON THE FLOODPLAIN.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, NOMINAL CAPACITY OF THE EXISTING FACILITY.
UM, THE CONCERN IS THIS IS A RECREATIONALLY ZONED SITE, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE DETERMINATION THAT THE ENCLOSURE OF THE FACILITY WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF VARIANTS, UH, CAUGHT THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE ENCLOSING THE WHOLE FACILITY.
UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE NOISE ABATEMENT REPORT WAS ENCLOSING THE SEATING AREA WITH A BERM.
UH, THIS OPTION IS ACTUALLY NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON THE FLOOD WE INVESTIGATED, UH, IMPACTS UPSTREAM OF THE SITE.
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TO CONTAIN DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS WITHIN CITY OF HU PROPERTY.SO THAT'S, UH, AN IMPACT ON JOINING SITES AND I THINK IS A NON, A NON UNACCEPTABLE SOLUTION.
UM, IT'S ALSO WORTH NODDING AIR THAT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, UH, REALLY DOESN'T ALLOW A FULLY ENCLOSED FACILITY JUST ON THE BASIS OF BERM.
BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF ROADWAYS AND THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE, IT WOULD, UH, REQUIRE AN EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION IN ORDER TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO WORK, EVEN IF THE FLOOD PLANE CONCERN OR NOT AN ISSUE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF SIMPLER SOLUTIONS.
NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH SOUND WALLS WITH PLANTING WITH, UH, MORE MODERATE BERMS? UM, OBJECTIVELY THE ANSWER IS REALLY NO.
THE, UH, SOUND WALLS CAN BE CONSTRUCTED OR COULD BE CONSTRUCTED TO, UH, MINIMIZE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THERE HAVE NOW BEEN, UH, ALMOST A THOUSAND HOMES BUILT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE THAT WEREN'T THERE.
UH, AT THE TIME, THE LAST COMPLAINTS WERE REGISTERED, UM, SOUND WON WOULD BENEFIT THEM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE THE, UH, A CONTRARY IMPACT TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE SITE.
SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTE SOUND, UH, FURTHER IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, TREES OR LOW BERMS, UM, AREN'T GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE SOUND ABATEMENT STUDY.
WE LOOKED IN DETAIL AT POTENTIAL COSTS AND BENEFITS OF EACH OF THESE OPTIONS.
UM, THE SECOND OPTION, THE FULLY ENCLOSED FACILITY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL DECISIVELY RESOLVE ISSUES WITH NOISE PROPAGATION AND ELIMINATE POTENTIAL COMPLAINTS AS POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN, UH, APPROXIMATELY THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE FACILITY WOULD ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE SITE.
I BELIEVE AT THE MOMENT THE THEATER IS UNDER PARKED RELATIVE TO ITS CAPACITY, WOULD'VE NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE FLOODPLAIN OF THE CREEK.
UM, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF REFINEMENT AND AMENITIES PROVIDED COST WOULD VARY BETWEEN ABOUT $6 MILLION AT THE LOWER END TO 18.
AT THE UPPER, IT'S PRETTY BROAD RANGE, BUT AT THE MOMENT THERE'S NO PROGRAM ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES.
THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF BERM AND SOUND WALLS OF THE HEIGHT RECOMMENDED IN THE SOUND ABATEMENT REPORT, UM, IS COMPARABLE IN PRICE TO THE LOWER END OF THE FULLY ENCLOSED OPTION, YET, UH, PROVIDES LESS RELIABLE, UH, SOUND ABATEMENT AND RAISES ISSUES WITH THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, THAT IT, UH, IS NOT CLEAR HOW THOSE COULD BE SOLVED.
UM, ALSO WOULD CREATE BETWEEN THE SOUND WALL, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE TALL ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE CITY'S, UH, STANDARD, UH, COMPATIBILITY SETBACKS WOULD CREATE A SORT OF DEAD ZONE 25 TO 30 FEET WIDE.
UH, THAT IS HONESTLY, I THINK GOING TO BE AN UNACCEPTABLE MAINTENANCE BURDEN TO, UH, DO ANYTHING ON THE COST FOR JUST THE EARTH WORK AND THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, WOULD VARY FOR THIS OPTION BETWEEN SIX AND $9 MILLION IF IT WERE FEASIBLE.
ANYTHING LESS THAN THIS, UM, WILL NOT ADDRESS THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUND ATTENUATION REPORT.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT CONSTRUCTING AN ENCLOSURE AROUND THE STAGE AND SOUND WALLS JUST TO THE NORTH AND EAST, IT DOES BENEFIT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT REALLY DOESN'T HELP WITH THE BROADER ISSUE OF PROPAGATION.
UH, THE COST THERE WOULD VARY BETWEEN TWO AND $4 MILLION, AND THE RISK IS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO, UH, NO TANGIBLE BENEFIT OVERALL TO COMPLAINTS TO THE SOUTH AND WEST OF THE FACILITY.
UM, I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BRIEF SUMMARY.
I WISH I HAD BETTER NEWS TO DELIVER, BUT THE FINDINGS ARE, UH, THERE ARE INHERENT, UH, CONCERNS WITH THE EXISTING FACILITY.
UM, I DO WANT TO MENTION IN CLOSING THAT THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT, UH, TO ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES.
THOSE ARE LIMITING THE TYPE AND, UH, AMPLIFICATION OF PERFORMANCES.
I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTED THAT IF YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, NON AMPLIFIED ORCHESTRAL MUSIC IN THE PARK, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL.
THE STUDY FOUND SIMILAR RESULTS ON THEIR INTERVIEWS.
UM, THAT IS A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE PRESENT USE OF THE SITE.
SO, UH, THAT IS AN OPTION THAT'S OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT DOES, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE PROGRAMMING OPPORTUNITIES.
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ARE, AGAIN, IN THE REPORT A SUBSTANTIAL LIST OF OPERATIONAL AND MANAGERIAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'S BEYOND, UH, OUR PURVIEW.BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, FOR ANY CONTINUED USE OF THE FACILITY AND ITS CURRENT SITE.
QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS FROM COUNCIL.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WALLS TO THE NORTH AND THE EAST AND WHAT FUNCTION THEY SERVE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE THE COMPLAINTS COME FROM.
SO WE'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT NOBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT.
THE COMPLAINTS ARE MOSTLY COMING FROM SOUTH AND WEST, SO, UH, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO PUT WALLS IN FOR ONE THING.
UM, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND BUILD A WALL LATER IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE WRONG.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO DO THAT AT ALL.
AND FULLY, AND CLOSING IT IS BASICALLY DOUBLING DOWN ON THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO THIS THING AND DOUBLING DOWN ON THE DEBT THAT'S ALREADY IN THIS THING.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'D EVER SEE DAYLIGHT ON THE OTHER END OF THAT.
SO, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE GOOD OPTIONS HERE.
WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY I WANTED TO SEE AN ATTENUATION LEVELS OF WHAT AMOUNT OF DB LEVEL FROM THE SPEAKERS WITH DIRECTIONAL SOUND GOING IN, IN ONE AREA.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO MITIGATE THE STANDARD CONCERT SIZE VERSUS LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT APPROACH OF, UH, I MEAN, AND, UH, UNLESS I MISSED IT, BUT WHERE, WHERE'S THIS LOOKING AND SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS THRESHOLD, YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR CONCERT, BUT THEN IT WILL ATTENUATE NATURALLY OUTSIDE OF A CERTAIN BUFFER ZONE.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT CAN MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, OR IF THERE'S NEW, YOU KNOW, NOISE, UH, SPECIFIC LIKE LOCALIZED SPEAKERS AND AROUND WHERE THE, THE SEATING IS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS HIGH A VOLUME BECAUSE IT DOES, EACH INDIVIDUAL SOUND SPACE DOESN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL AS FAR, UM, KIND LIKE IN A MOVIE THEATER.
RIGHT? UM, SO I WAS, I WAS ANYTHING LIKE THAT LOOKED AT OR CONCEIVED OR EVEN CONSIDERED.
SO, UH, THAT IS ADDRESSED EXPLICITLY IN THE SOUND ATTENUATION REPORT, WHICH IS AN ACOUSTIC REPORT.
UH, AND IT DOES, UH, ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
I THINK, AND THIS IS, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.
THE FINDING IS THAT A TYPICAL AMPLIFIED CONCERT SOUND LEVEL OF 93 TO 95 DECIBELS AT THE STAGE, UH, IS A HUGE BURDEN TO ABATE FROM, UH, ANY OTHER THAN A DECISIVE STRUCTURAL, UM, INTERVENTION.
AND THAT'S WHY THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, THAT THE FACILITY SHOULD BE RELOCATED TO SOMEPLACE THAT WOULD NOT CARRY THE SAME BURDEN OF TOPOGRAPHY AND ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
UM, IT'S, AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIKELY REPORT THAT ADDRESSES THE, THE ACOUSTIC ISSUES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE EXISTING FACILITY.
AS FROM AN ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, OUR SUGGESTIONS WERE BASED SPECIFICALLY ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ACOUSTIC REPORT BECAUSE THEY, UH, ESTABLISHED WHAT THEY BELIEVED WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AND PRUDENT, UM, LEVEL OF ABATEMENT.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO YOU RECENTLY DID THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE PERFORMED HERE RECENTLY IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE DID, WE DID THIS BEFORE THAT DID THE SAME THING.
WHAT DID WE DO WITH THEIR REPORT? THE SOUND STUDY? NO, THERE'S A SOUND STUDY AND THERE WAS A WHOLE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THERE WAS STUFF LIKE, UM, I REMEMBER WARREN TELLING US THAT IF THE GOAL WAS TO PUMP AS MUCH MUSIC OUT AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S WHAT YOU BUILT HERE.
THE RIGGINGS ARE TOO HIGH, THE CEILING'S TOO HIGH, THAT NEEDS TO COME DOWN.
WHERE, WHERE DID ALL THAT INFORMATION GO? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE I, I'M ALWAYS THE MEAN GUY, BUT I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE PAYING SOMEONE TO TELL US WHAT, WE ALREADY DID THIS STUDY AND HAD SOMEONE TELL US TO DO, AND I APPRECIATE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SECOND OPINION IS WHAT I'LL TAKE THIS AS.
BUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE GET RECOMMENDATIONS, WE SHOW THEM, HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME OUT, LOOK AT A PREVIOUS STUDY AND THEN SAY, WELL, WE HAVE A, 'CAUSE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SOMEWHAT THE SAME, BUT SOMEWHAT REALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE OTHER PEOPLE HAD.
AND SO NOW I'M LIKE, WELL NOW WE'RE FACED WITH TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND LIKE, YOU'RE NOT MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT THE STAGE.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT EVEN A GOOD BAND WILL NOT COME TO HUDU BECAUSE THE RIGGINGS WILL NOT SUPPORT THE STRUCTURE, WILL NOT SUPPORT WHAT YOUR MID-LEVEL MAJOR BANDS
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REQUIRE FROM A WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION OR WHATEVER THE MEASUREMENT IS.AND SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WERE TOLD TWO YEARS AGO THAT YOU, YOU GUYS, YOUR SPEAKERS ARE YOU, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH SOUND DOWN CLOSE 'CAUSE YOUR SPEAKERS ARE UP TOO HIGH.
SO EVERYBODY'S AMPING IT UP TO GET THE SOUND DOWN HERE.
AND SO A LITTLE BIT'S BLEEDING HERE, BUT YOU'RE PUSHING IT ALL OUT STRAIGHT AHEAD, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HEARING IT ON MOPAC.
SO I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT FIXES IT ALL, BUT I THINK WHAT I REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE THEN.
IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
I'M TRYING TO FIND A VIDEO I TOOK, WHAT'S THE SCHOOL THAT IF YOU GO DOWN 6 85, YOU CUT IN BY THE SHELL AND THERE'S A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
RIVER HOWARD NORMAN IN RIVERWALK.
SO I WAS IN, I THINK PART OF IT TOO, I THINK IT'S THE MUSIC THAT WE PLAY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND A VIDEO SO WHEN I GET, HEY, I CAN PLAY IT.
I WAS SITTING IN A HOWARD NORMAN PARKING LOT, SNOOP'S PLAYING AND YOU COULD HEAR ALL THE MF UH, B*****S SAY HEY.
AND YOU COULD HEAR IT LIKE, I'M TALKING TO YOU RIGHT NOW AND HOWARD NORMAN, AND YOU JUST SEE A LITTLE WHITE.IN THE BACK.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE MUSIC, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONCERT, LIKE WE SAID BACK THEN, THAT MAYBE THERE'S CERTAIN CONCERTS, DEAD MOUSE FIVE, IF IT'S GONNA BE CONTINUAL BASS AND JUST THROBBING, MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT VENUE.
JUST LIKE OTHER VENUES AREN'T RIGHT FOR SAY, COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OUTDOOR OR THEY'RE ENCLOSED OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK PART OF IT TOO IS WHAT WE, WHAT WE PLAY, UM, THE HOMES YOU MENTIONED THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES IN BROOKLYNS WERE BUILT BACK WHEN WE DID THE LAST STUDY.
UH, AND TO THE COUNCIL GOVERNOR'S POINT, THEY WEREN'T COMPLAINING.
IT WAS PEOPLE, EVERYBODY AT PFLUGERVILLE COMPLAINED.
UH, I THINK THE WHOLE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WAS EMAILING US.
UM, SO, UH, I WILL JUST TO CLARIFY, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
THE DETAILED STUDY AND RECOMMENDATIONS WE PREPARED INCLUDED RESPONSE AND PRICING TO ALL OF THE STRUCTURAL RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SOUND OF BANK PORT.
SO THEY HAD, UH, REFERENCED THE NEEDS TO REBUILD THE GANTRY TO PROVIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL HARD POINTS TO PROVIDE, UH, PERSONNEL, UH, ACCESS FOR INSTALLATION AND RIGGING TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE CANOPY AND TO PROVIDE AN ENCLOSURE ON THE STAGE, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE STAGE.
ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, SERVE TO PUT AN ACTUAL PRICE TO THE VALUE OF THAT WORK.
BUT THAT, THAT INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY COMMISSIONED BY THE CITY IS REFERENCED AND INCORPORATED IN THE REPORT, UH, THAT WE PREPARED.
BASICALLY THE SOUND, UH,
THEY DID NOT PUT, UH, SCOPE OR FEASIBILITY TO, UM, TO STRUCTURAL CORE, UH, SITE ISSUES.
SO THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, UH, OVERLAP OR UH, DISAGREEMENT.
I BELIEVE WE INVESTIGATED WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE TO INCORPORATE ISSUES THAT THEY SUGGESTED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BERM ISSUE, WHICH THEY, UH, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THE SCOPE.
UH, IT DOESN'T WORK ON THIS SITE.
UH, AND THAT'S THE STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A VIABLE, AN ACTUAL VIABLE APPROACH.
YOU GET PULLED UP, THERE'S A THEATER THAT I THINK WE GOTTA LOOK AT TO VERIZON.
IT WAS ABOUT VERIZON WIRELESS BACK THEN THAT PROBABLY CHANGED.
BUT VERIZON WIRELESS AMPHITHEATER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ATLANTA HAS APARTMENT COMPLEXES BUILT ALL AROUND.
I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY BUILT THIS PERSON, IT'S BUILT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I REMEMBER LOOKING ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE THERE TO SEE HOW MANY COMPLAINTS THEY GET WHEN THEY PLAY MUSIC.
'CAUSE I WAS, HAD JUST BEEN THERE FOR A CONCERT, NONE NOW EITHER.
THE PEOPLE ARE USED TO IT ALL.
BUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT IT IS IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE STAGE, THE STAGE SAT LOWER INSTEAD OF THE STAGE BEING UP HIGH.
AND THEN THE LEVEL GROUND, IT WAS ALMOST INVERTED.
THERE WAS THESE WIND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM A SHADE SAIL OR A WIND SAIL OR SOMETHING OVER THE TOP.
AND THEY HAD, UH, INSTEAD OF A, LIKE A AMERISTAR FENCE GOING AROUND, THEY HAD LIKE A FOUR FOOT WALL THAT WENT ALL THE WAY AROUND ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND AGAIN, I, I'M NOT, I I DON'T DO THE JOB BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST INTERESTING THAT I SAW THAT THERE.
IT WAS A GREAT CONCERT AND IT FELT LIKE, I REMEMBER BEING AT THE, UM, STREET CONCERT AND IT WAS SO LOUD.
AND SO WHEN I HEARD THE, THE REASON THEY TURNED IT UP WAS SO THE PEOPLE UP CLOSE COULD HEAR IT.
IT STARTED MAKING SENSE TO ME.
SO, UM, I THINK THE EXAMPLE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS, RIGHT, LIKE IS THE HOLLYWOOD VAULT, RIGHT? THAT'S A FACILITY.
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IT'S A, A BAND STAGE PERFORMANCE.
IT'S A, UM, IT FUNCTIONS SIMILARLY.
AND WE, WE, WE LOOK AT EXACTLY THAT, THAT ISSUE, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO DROP THE STAGE AND, UM, CREATE BURN SEEDING WITH A LOWER WALL AROUND THE PERIMETER, THAT THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT SOLUTION.
UH, WHAT WAS DISCOVERED, UM, WAS THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE DIDN'T ALLOW THAT.
SO THAT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN OUR DETAILED REPORT AND DESCRIBED IN GREATER DETAIL, YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE DASHED LINE, UH, TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT CROSS SECTION, WHICH WOULD BE A LOWER HEIGHT BERM.
AND LOWERING THE STAGE, UH, PUTS THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL BELOW THE WATER SURFACE ELEVATION IN BRUSH CREEK.
SO, UH, NOT ONLY IS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO DRAIN THAT FACILITY, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BERM AT THAT ELEVATION, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TOE OF THE BERM FALLS, UH, ENCROACHES ON THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH, IT'S A TOUGH OPTION TO IMPLEMENT.
THERE IS A VARIANT THAT COULD BE STUDIED THAT IS AN OPTION THAT'S OPEN TO THE SKY, THAT'S ENCLOSED VERTICALLY WITH TIERED SEATING, UH, BUT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF OVER IT.
UH, THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE SOUND ABATEMENT STUDY BECAUSE GIVEN THE EXPENSE, UH, ONCE YOU STARTED DOWN THAT PATH, THEY WERE, UM, FIRMLY CONVINCED THAT IT WOULD BE WORTH DOING IT COMPLETELY TO ELIMINATE ANY CHANCE OF, UH, OF COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM NOISE ESCAPING THE FACILITY.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, AND, AND YOUR, YOUR POINTS ARE ABSOLUTELY VALID.
UM, AND I WOULD, UH, JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE REPORT ADDRESSES THESE ALL, UH, MUCH MORE THOROUGHLY.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING A NICE WAY THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ONE OF THESE, THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT.
AND NOW THAT IT'S DONE, YOU CAN EITHER THROW A LOT OF GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD MONEY, OR YOU CAN FIGURE OUT AND REPURPOSE IT TO SOMETHING LIKE, INSTEAD OF HOLDING, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, GARTH BROOKS IS GONNA COME HERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S POTENTIAL INSTEAD OF THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KEEP IT SMALL EVENTS, THINGS ARE GONNA BE IN PARKING LOT.
THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE CRANKED UP, THINGS THAT ARE MORTAR'S MUSIC GOING ON, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, METALLICA'S PLAYING AND WATCH THE PROGRAMMING.
AND THERE'S A WAY TO MAYBE USE IT OTHERWISE, YOU'RE TALKING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY HAVE TO BE POURED IN BEFORE YOU SELL ONE TICKET.
IS THAT IN, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, TO MAKE THIS A SATISFACTORY CONCERT VENUE WILL REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT? I THINK THERE ARE, UM, AGAIN, AS THE REPORT RECOMMENDED, THERE ARE DECISIONS IN TERMS OF PROGRAMMING, UH, IN TERMS OF THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED.
I THINK THERE'S A, A GREAT DEAL MORE TOLERANCE FOR A, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL EVENT, A FESTIVAL EVENT, RATHER THAN A REGULAR VENUE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I IT'S NOT, UH, AT THE TABLE DURING THE HISTORY OF THE FACILITY.
SO I, I REALLY CAN'T COMMENT ON HOW WE GOT HERE JUST, UH, TO SUGGEST, UM, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE OPTIONS TO GET FROM HERE TO, UM, SATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE.
WE HAD SNOOP AND THEN LIKE THE NEXT WEEKEND WE HAD DEAD MOUSE FIVE, AND THEN IT, I MEAN, IT IT WENT OUT
YEAH, I THINK DEAD MOUSE FIVE IS WHAT REALLY DID IT.
NOT SO MUCH SNOOP, BUT DEAD MOUSE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHRISTIE.
SO I GUESS WHENEVER COCUS DID COME FOR LIKE THREE, FOUR YEARS, SO WHY DID THEY NOT CHOOSE NOT TO USE THE STAGE, DID THEY AND USE THE OTHER SIDE AREA? UM, JUST SO ON THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, OF THE EVENT AND THE WAY THAT THE FESTIVAL WAS LAID OUT, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE.
THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT I HAD, UM, RECEIVED IN THAT WAS THAT THE STAGE WAS FACING THE WRONG DIRECTION.
SO IT'S FACING THE EVENING SUN INSTEAD OF THE STAGE BEING SHADED FROM THE EVENING SUN.
SO THE KOCH FEST ARTISTS DON'T WANT TO BE PERFORMING TOWARD THE HOT PART OF THE SUN.
ANOTHER THING, THE VERY FIRST COAT FEST, IT WASN'T READY, THE STAGE WASN'T READY.
THE, THE, THE NEXT THING THAT, UH, WAS SHARED WITH ME, AND THIS IS ALL JUST FROM THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM KOCH FM MM-HMM.
I DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE I ASKED FOR A STUDY OR SOMETHING.
THE NEXT THING WAS THE ITEMS THAT WERE ALREADY BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, THE RIGGINGS NOT BEING APPROPRIATE AND NOT YOU ABLE TO HOLD THE WEIGHT OF THE LIGHTS AND THE, AND THE SPEAKERS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THERE FOR THAT CALIBER OF A CONCERT.
UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT THE ROOF WAS TOO TALL, THAT THE ROOF SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOWER.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID THAT BY PUTTING THE STAGE DOWN BY THE, THE RIVER, YOU'RE
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ACTUALLY USING THE NATURAL OCCURRING, UH, CLIFF TO BASICALLY CREATE A SOUND BARRIER.AND YOU'RE PUSHING THE SOUND BACK THE OTHER WAY INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TOWARD WHERE MOST PEOPLE LIVE TODAY.
THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS TRUE.
SO, SO THEY WERE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THAT CLIP TO WHERE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FUNCTIONING AS A SOUND WALL AND IT WAS PUSHING THE SOUND BACK THIS DIRECTION INSTEAD OF IT BEING ABLE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, AMPLIFY.
THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED.
YEAH, I MEAN, GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I ALWAYS WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY THEY KIND OF JUST DID THEIR OWN THING, WHICH THEY CAN TOTALLY DO.
SO, WELL, AND TO THE POINT OF WHAT CHRISTIE WAS SAYING, IT IS WHEN YOU'RE OVER THERE, YOU GOT TREES, YOU GOT SHADE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT LIKE FOOTPRINT.
IT'S NOT REALLY DESIGNED IN A, IN LIKE A, I DUNNO, A FUNNEL.
IT, IT'S MORE LINEAR I WOULD SAY.
IT'S JUST KINDA LIKE, YEAH, IT'S MORE LINEAR.
UM, SO SOME OF IT'S THAT TOO BECAUSE IT IS JUST WIDE OPEN SUN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PROTECTION, THERE'S NO SHADE, THERE'S NO NONE OF THAT STUFF.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE OVER IN THE, ALONG THE CREEK BED, THEN YOU HAVE THOSE THINGS.
SO COULD YOU, COULD YOU NOT LIKE, RELOCATE THE STAGE, KIND OF REDO IT? OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO THE, UM, TO THE WATER? SO YOU COULDN'T TECHNICALLY DO THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS AREA AND THAT WOULD KIND OF MESS UP THINGS, ISN'T IT ELECTRIC ALL WIRED OUT THERE, LIKE YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE ELECTRIC AND THE STAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST TOTALLY OUTSIDE THE BOX.
LIKE NOT OBVIOUSLY NOT INFORMED, YOU KNOW, REC OR IDEA.
BUT THAT MONEY, BECAUSE WE GOT RAINED OUT LIKE THREE YEARS IN A ROW, WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE GREATEST PROBLEM THAT MEAN OBJECTIVELY? THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
YOU COULD SAY IF WE PUT THE STAGE DOWN BY THE TREE, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BIOGRAPHY AND CONSTRUCT A SAND WALL TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, AND THAT, THAT IS VIABLE EXCEPT THAT THE STAGE WOULD THEN BE WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND WOULD REGULARLY BE IN AND DATE.
SO THE UM, THE TOLL ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING, UM, MORE FREQUENT, UH, WEATHER INTERRUPTIONS AND EVENTS MAKE THAT A, UM, I THINK AN UNDESIRABLE, I WASN'T THINK ABOUT THE PERMANENT STAGE, CHRISTIE.
WASN'T IT JUST A STAGE WE BROUGHT IN AND PUT UP FOR COKE SPECIFIC? YEAH.
YEAH, IT WAS A STAGE WE BROUGHT IN AND PUT UP.
YEAH, I THINK HE'S SAYING IS IF, IF THE, IF THE OPTION WERE TO MOVE THIS PERMANENTLY DOWN THERE YEAH, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE ISSUES OF DEALING WITH COKE CLAIM REGULARLY.
AND THE ONE, THE ONE YEAR THAT IT, I MEAN I HATE, HATE FOCUS ON THIS.
THE ONE YEAR THAT IT WAS CANCELED DUE TO FLOODING WAS BECAUSE THE PARKING LOT FLOODED.
SO WHERE THE SITE WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE PARKING? NO, THEY WERE SWIMMING IN MUD.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IN THAT, IN THAT DRAWING, THE BLUE STRIPES ARE THE ACTUAL FOOTWAY, UH, AND THEN THE BLUE ZONE IS THE 1% AND THE R ZONE IS THE, UH, POINT TO 2%.
SO, UM, MUCH OF THE SIDE IS REGULARLY IN THE, AND I THINK WHAT ACTUALLY STOPPED US WAS THE LIGHTNING.
WE HAD TO MOVE EVERYONE TO THEIR CARS BECAUSE THE LIGHTNING CAME AND THEN WE WAITED TO SEE IF IT WOULD SUBSIDE AND IT DIDN'T.
IT WAS A MESS, BUT IT WAS FUN.
BUT A COUPLE ISSUES THAT IT SET IN A STUDY ABOUT THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FACILITY, WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING.
IS THAT GONNA BE, IF, IF WE LEAVE THE STAGE IN THE CURRENT POSITION, IS THAT PARKING GONNA BE THERE TOWARD THE FLOODPLAIN EVEN MORE? THAT'S ONE QUESTION WHETHER WE ANSWER IT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAVE.
AND, AND TWO, IF WE HAVE THIS 25 WELL, UH, 5,025 UNDERSTANDING OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GREATER THAN WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE STREET INTERSECTION 1 37 AND JUST EGRESS REALLY ONLY HAVE THOSE TWO.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF.
UM, AND DO WE NEED MULTIPLE LANES ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY? AND THEN HOW DO WE GET INTO THAT? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE, THE COUNTY ROAD 1 37? IS IT 1 37? YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA, WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE THERE? WE MAKE IT SAFE EGRESS OR PEOPLE JUST THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA GETTING OUT THERE AND THEN PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT OF THAT.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, OUR THIRD THING IS, IS THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN ANY STUDIES, ENGINEERING STUDIES ON FOUNTAIN SOUND DEBATE, WE ALREADY HAVE A LAKE AND A FOUNTAIN OUT THERE NOW.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RUNNING ALL THE TIME.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, BUT ARE THERE ANY
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ENGINEERING STUDIES OR ANY FEASIBILITY OR, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES OF USING, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 FOOT SPRAYS THAT NOT ONLY GENERATING WHITE NOISE FROM THE WATER, YOU KNOW, UH, SPRAYING AND HEARING SURFACE, BUT ALSO ABSORBING SOUND? IS THERE ANY, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT A 93 TO 95 DE DECIMAL STAGE AND UM, RIGHT NOW, LET'S SAY WE ONLY ARE ABLE TO SAFE OR NOT SAFELY, BUT A, UH, CONVENIENTLY PRODUCE 75 TV P MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO GET A 93 TO 95 TV LIMIT.WHAT'S OUR LIMIT? WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CURVE OF WHAT'S THE COST PER DB? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA DO 93 95, WE'RE TALKING 10 TO $20 MILLION PER PROPOSE.
AND, AND, AND NOT, AND HYPOTHETICAL IN SOME SENSE.
BUT IF WE HAVE AN 85 DB TARGET, WHAT'S THAT COST FOR THAT? AND UH, AND THEN I LIKE THE IDEAS OF, YOU KNOW, DO WE MOVE IT DIAGONAL ACROSS THAT PROPERTY AND MAYBE KEEP THE EXISTING STAGE? UM, THAT, AND I LIKE TO TEAR DOWN STUFF WE'VE ALREADY BUILT, LIKE REPURPOSES SOMETHING, BUT, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I LIKE, I LIKE THAT IDEA OF GETTING IT LOWER AND THEN HAVING THE, THE UH, THE SEATING, UH, AN ELEVATED, UH, ELEVATED UH, DRAWING.
FOR ME, I WOULDN'T PUT A DOLLAR INTO, UH, THE MAINTENANCE OF PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES.
AND I'D WORK TO KEEP EVENTS LIKE THE HOLY FESTIVAL THAT WAS HERE, UM, THE ASIAN WORLD MARKET NIGHT, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE JUST LOCAL THAT AREN'T HUGE RESPONSE SHOULD BE EVEN BIGGER.
JIM, CAN YOU PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING? YES SIR.
YOU CAN REDUCE THE DECIBELS TO A LEVEL THAT YOU WANT AND THEN YOU CAN CATER TO.
I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO TURN US INTO A NICHE THING.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WILL HOLD LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME MAJOR CONCERT TO COME, BUT MAYBE WE DON'T DO THAT.
MAYBE WE SAY THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING LOCAL FESTIVALS REGULARLY AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE SET UP TO WHERE A CERTAIN MANNER WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO OR 3000 PEOPLE COME AND THAT'S IT.
AND THE RENTAL IN THE WHOLE FACILITY I WAS LOOKING TODAY, I THINK IS ONLY LIKE 4,000 OR SOMETHING DOLLARS TO RENT THE WHOLE FACILITY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE CHARGING A LOT.
AND UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S ALSO THINGS THAT'S NOT IN HERE.
THERE'S NO BATHROOMS, THERE'S NO, UH, I THINK WE NOW HAVE POTABLE WATER, RIGHT JEFF? MM-HMM.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE POTABLE WATER A YEAR OR SO AGO.
SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
AND IF WE KEEP IT ALL LOCALIZED, THEN YOU CAN BECOME A NICHE VENUE FOR LOCALIZED EVENTS AND THEN THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GO SPEND MILLIONS, BUT THEN, THEN YOU SELL, YOU SPEND MILLIONS TO GO BACK AND HIRE SOMEBODY TO THEN DO CONCERTS AND MAKE THOUSANDS AND YOU JUST SPENDING MONEY TO REALLY NOT MAKE ANY MONEY.
WASN'T THE BATHROOM PART OF THE CIP BATHROOMS OUT THERE? SO THE MAYOR WAS REFERRING TO THE EXISTING RESTROOMS ARE THERE, THOSE WERE ON THE SEPTIC SEWER AND WHEN THE NARROWS CAME IN, THEY USED PART OF THE PARK TO CONNECT TO THE LIFT STATION.
AND SO THEY, THEY WENT AHEAD AND CONNECTED THOSE RESTROOMS TO, UH, THE SEWER WASTEWATER LINE.
THERE'S TWO NEW PUBLIC RESTROOMS OUTSIDE THE PARK THAT'S BEING PUT IN WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE PORTA POTTIES.
'CAUSE THE ONES INSIDE THE AMP THERE USUALLY LOCKED.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN.
YEAH, THEY'RE JUST, I THINK THEY'RE LIKE TWO OR THREE STALLS IN EACH ONE.
SO IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE A LARGE CROWD.
SO KIND OF TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, MAYOR, MY THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE START REACHING OUT TO THE LOCAL SCHOOLS, WOULD THEY DO THE DRUMLINE COMPETITIONS AND UH, BAND FESTIVALS LIKE FROM THE AWARD WINNERS OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS COULD BE A NICE, REALLY COOL SPACE.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE DO AT THE DOWNTOWN FAIR, WE HAD A STAGE WITH PERFORMERS, UM, AT THE CRAWFISH FESTIVAL AND STUFF IN DOWNTOWN HU SO WE CAN CLEARLY HAVE MUSICAL PERFORMANCES, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THAT PROFESSIONAL LIGHT.
SO EVERYTHING COMING IN AND I THINK YOU CAN FULLY PROGRAM THAT AND MAKE IT A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND, AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE PLACES TO GO.
I, IF WE WERE GONNA PUT MONEY INTO THE PARK, PERSONALLY, WHAT WE HAD ACTUALLY PROPOSED BACK WHEN I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE DID CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, WAS WITH PARKS AND REC.
WE WERE GONNA BUILD A DESTINATION PLAYGROUND FACILITY THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND THEN THAT GOT SCRAPPED AFTER 2019.
YOU KNOW, FOR $2 MILLION YOU COULD BUILD A REGIONAL PARK THAT WOULD BLOW ANYTHING AWAY THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO THE PARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I EVEN MENTIONED BEFORE THERE'S A, A TWIN PEAKS, UH, SILO PARK IN COLORADO THAT WAS THE DESIGN FIRM THAT WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED.
I'D RATHER GO LOOK AT SOMETHING
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LIKE THAT AS A COMPLETELY ALTERNATIVE.AND THEN LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, NOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE THE UM, ASIAN FESTIVAL AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS DESTINATION PARK THAT KIDS FAMILIES SEE WHEN THEY COME TO THAT THING.
AND THEN THEY START COMING TO THE PARK ALL THE TIME.
THEN YOU CAN HAVE A FOOD TRUCK AREA AND WE CAN HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN PEOPLE CAN THEN SEE THE, THE, YOU CAN STILL HAVE FESTIVAL LIKE UH, COKE VEST DOWN BY THE CREEK AND THEN THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BARBECUE AND, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE CAN PROGRAM THIS THING OUT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND MUCH MORE MONEY AND, AND IF WE MAKE THE DESTINATION PARK, SO WHEN IT'S NOT, THEN THERE'S SOMETHING TO DO EVEN DURING THE WEEK ALL THE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO COME THERE.
I PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THE MAYOR AND I ALSO TALKED BEFORE ABOUT IF WE ACTUALLY IMPROVED ON OUR PARK MONEY AND DID PARK TRAILS ALONG THE CREEK, THAT YOU COULD HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THEN BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MORE KIND OF LIKE A RIVER WALK KIND OF THING.
UM, THAT COULD BE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEIGHBORHOODS GOING ALL ALONG THE CREEK, UH, COMING UP THERE THAT, THAT WE KNOW AS YOU KNOW, OFF 1660.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT MORE KIND OF CHANGING WHAT THE CONCEPT OF THIS UM, IS.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DIRECTORS OF CHAOS MEETING THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
LISTEN, LEARN, HIRE A GUY LIKE YOU IN THE BEGINNING,
AND SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR.
WE'RE SHOOTING FOR WHATEVER WE DECIDE AS A THING.
AND THEN, UH, WHEN EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND THE WORD GETS OUT, THEN AT LEAST WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL WHEN ARE WE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE UH, GAR BROOKS COME? WELL HE'S NOT COMING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR, OUR PUSH IS.
AND OUR PUSH IS MORE FOR WHATEVER WE SAY HOLLY FESTIVAL OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COMMUNITY EVENTS.
YEAH, IT IS LIKE DID YOU GUYS GO TO THE HOLLY FESTIVAL THAT BROUGHT IN, I'M GONNA SAY TWO 3000 PEOPLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FROM AUSTIN, HOUSTON, DALLAS.
PEOPLE THAT IT BROUGHT TOURISM TO THE CITY.
WE DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT THEY ALL CAME AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT PLACE, BUT THEY DIDN'T PLAY THE BASE.
UM, THEY DIDN'T PLAY THE THE HIGH ROCK AND ROLL AND SHOOT OFF FIREWORKS AND STUFF.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVER GETTING AN EMAIL ON A COMPLAINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION HASN'T CHANGED FROM WHAT I SAID IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE GOT THE ORIGINAL STUDY.
WE SHOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS SAYING.
WE JUST REPURPOSE IT, USE IT FOR DIFFERENT VENUES, USE IT FOR VENUES THAT DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF NOISE.
WE CAN GENERATE MONEY FROM THAT.
SET IT ASIDE AND THEN IF WE WANT TO EVER IMPROVE THIS, THEN THAT'S THE MONEY SOURCE TO DO IT.
THAT I DON'T SEE SPEND ANY, THERE'S AS MUCH MONEY THAT WE SPENT ON BUILDING IT ORIGINALLY TO CLOSE THE WHOLE THING.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T PROVEN THAT WE CAN PULL IN OFFICER VENUES EVEN IF WE WANTED TO.
SO YEAH, I'M WITH EVERYONE ELSE.
I I DON'T SEE PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO THIS.
WE USE IT FOR IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A BIG DISAPPOINTMENT THAT IT WAS NOT DESIGNED RIGHT.
SO WE MAKE THE BEST OF THAT SITUATION.
USE IT LIKE WHATEVER HAS BEEN, THAT'S WHAT I SAID TWO YEARS AGO.
IT'S MOVE TOWARDS, UM, ACOUSTIC STUFF, MOVE TOWARDS OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T GENERATE THAT NOISE, DON'T GENERATE COMPLAINTS AND GO FROM THERE.
THOMPSON THOUGHTS SAID EVERYTHING.
I WAS GONNA SAY
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I ASSUME WE STILL DON'T HAVE GUIDELINES WHERE IF SOMEONE CALLED UP AND SAID, HEY I WANNA, I WANNA THROW A SMOKE AND RAVE PARTY OUT THERE.
UM, I CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY NO, BUT IF WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND VPA WHAT DO IT, WHAT'S THAT CALLED? WELL, VFP SMOKING RA, ANY, ANY, ANY PROPER RENTAL OUT THERE HAS TO BE PERMITTED TO THE CITY.
SO IF THERE'S REASON FOR NON-COMPLIANCE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE CAN DENY THAT UNTIL WE TELL YOU WHAT THOSE ARE.
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU'RE JUST PICKING ON SOMEBODY BECAUSE THERE'S NO RULES THAT SAY I CAN'T HAVE DEAD MOUSE COME BACK.
BUT IF WE SET A STANDARD AND SAY, LOOK, I CAN'T BE ABOVE THIS MANY DECIBELS AND THIS AND THIS AND NO MORE THAN THIS MANY TICKETS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH.
AND YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK AND SAY, SORRY BUD, YOU'RE UH, YOUR LITTLE THING HERE IS GONNA BREAK ALL THE RULES.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT WHEN WE GOT THE SOUND STUDY.
DIDN'T WE SAY THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA GO ABOVE CERTAIN DECI? I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT, BUT WE HAVE SOME OF IT.
THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BACK THEN.
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SOME OF YOU GUYS WANNA TO I WAS GONNA SAY DON'T YOU HAVE TO, UM, REQUEST TO RENT THE SPACE OUT OR THERE ALREADY GUIDELINES WHENEVER YOU GO TO RENT IT THERE, THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES IN PLACE.UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE AND THEY'RE BOUNCE HOUSES, THEY GOT ALCOHOL, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMPONENTS OF A LARGE EVENT LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A GROUP OF CITY EMPLOYEES THAT NEED REGULARLY TO REVIEW THOSE PERMITS AND PROVIDE INPUT AND EITHER SAY YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH THIS OR COMPLY WITH THIS BEFORE.
SO, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SUBCOMMITTEE IF IT'S ALREADY DONE.
I DON'T LIKE YOU JUST ADD IT TO THE, UH, WE JUST NEED REVIEW IT.
I'M THINKING THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN REVIEW IT AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS UP.
THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO A SUBCOMMITTEE IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE.
WE ALL STILL NEED TO AGREE ON IT.
SO MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WHENEVER WE HAVE LIKE OUR WORK SESSION IN MARCH AND WE ALL JUST REVIEW IT, COME UP WITH THE STRATEGY AND THEN PUT IT OUT THERE.
I FEEL LIKE A SUBCOMMITTEE'S JUST KIND OF KICKING THE CAN JANUARY 18TH.
JAMES, LET'S BRING THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE FOR THE 'CAUSE.
I, I DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL MARCH ON SOMETHING THAT
THAT WAY YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA PUSH.
WE JUST TAKE IT ON THE, WE ALREADY FEEL LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN FIGURED OUT.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL SET UP, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON IT THEN.
SO JANUARY 18TH YOU ALREADY HAD THAT FOR THE WORK SESSIONS? NO, HE WANTS IT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
GET THE SOUND STUDY INFORMATION EMAILED TO US, SO THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WE CAN PICK THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE OUT THAT WE NEED TO ENFORCE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OR UPDATE CLEAR ROUTE.
WE CAN DO AND WE CAN MAYBE SEND IT TO DOTTIE BE LIKE, LET'S I JUST SNIPPET SOME LANGUAGE, RIGHT? YEAH, SNIP IT AND CLIP IT AND PUT IT IN THERE SO YOU CAN TAKE IT.
SO MR. INSTANCE, I HAVEN'T LIKE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT.
UM, ARE THERE, DO YOU BREAK DOWN THE VARIOUS OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED TODAY FROM THE THREE MAIN STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS? DO YOU BREAK DOWN WHAT YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION OF MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STAGE DOING, YOU KNOW, BACKFILL AND CREATING SOME SORT OF A, A A, LIKE A, LIKE YOU WERE DESCRIBING A BULB BUT INSTEAD OF LOWERING THE STAGE, RAISING, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE THAT SORT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
SO, UH, PARTIAL SOLUTIONS WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDED, UH, IN NOISE ABANDONMENT STUDY.
SO WE DID NOT INVESTIGATE, NOT RECOMMEND.
SO IT WAS EITHER ALL OR NOTHING FROM NINE WHATEVER DOWN TO THE REASONABLE LEVEL.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT Y'ALL COULD DISCUSS AS A BODY.
IF YOU WANT TO TARGET LOWER DECIBEL ORIGINATION, THEN WHAT ARE YOUR POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING LESS THAN A DEAD MOUTH, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO DO, I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD STILL DO ROCK, YOU COULD STILL DO COUNTRY, YOU COULD STILL DO POP.
YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE DOING UM, YOU KNOW, RAVE TYPE MUSIC AND ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AND PROBABLY NOT MANY RAP CONCERTS FRANKLY.
UH, BUT YOU COULD STILL DO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN IF YOU ARE LOCALIZING IT AND YOU'RE SHRINKING DOWN TO THE PROPOSED AUDIENCE, SO NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO TARGETING, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, 2,500 PEOPLE INSTEAD OF 25,000 PEOPLE MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TOO.
AND THEN DID A DIFFERENT GROUP DO THE SOUND STEADY THAN THIS COMPANY? OKAY, GOOD.