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UH, POLICY TO ORDER[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
THE, UH, WORK SESSION.UH, WHAT'S TODAY'S DATE? UH, 6:00 PM ON NOVEMBER 2ND.
UH, WE'LL BE ROLL CALL MAYOR PRO.
[3.1. Consideration and discussion of Boards and Commissions including City Council Liaison Duties to Boards and Commissions (Councilmember Brian Thompson) ]
SO I HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF, UH, LIAISON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND DUTIES NEEDED.SO I ORIGINALLY PUT THIS ON FOR WORK SESSION BECAUSE COMING FROM A COMMISSION, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN A, A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR, UH, WHAT FOR ME WHEN I WAS ON A BOARD OF COMMISSION, BUT ALSO WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESIGNED, UM, FROM BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UH, UM, THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY.
UM, SINCE BEING ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, UH, BEING PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION, A LOT OF THEM HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE, THE CODE, WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE, UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CHARGES THAT ARE GIVEN TO THEM FROM CITY COUNCIL.
WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THEY, THAT WE'D LIKE THEM TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, FURTHER THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE HERE ON CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF A BORDER COMMISSION WANTED TO PUT FORTH A, UM, A BLOCK PARTY OR A, UM, FESTIVAL, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THE VENDORS, THEY GET, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE SIGNAGE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE PRODUCED AND READY TO GO.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL SAYS, WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE, WE, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, OFFER SUPPORT FOR THAT SPECIFIC DAY.
UM, AND SO THEY JUST WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS WORK FOR ESSENTIALLY NOTHING.
AND SO, UM, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE COMING OUT OF BUDGET SEASON, BUT ALSO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO.
WE TALK ABOUT CHARGES FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTIONS, GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIAISONS CAN HELP OUT OR NOT HELP OUT, BUT LIAISONS CAN, CAN, CAN OVERSEE OR, YOU KNOW, BE PRESENT IN THE MEETING.
BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THERE'S JUST SOME GUIDANCE THERE FOR, FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
SO I THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CHARGES WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT, UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND, AND FOR THOSE THAT THAT ARRIVE LATE, UM, I HAVE PUT THIS MEETING ON THE, OR I HAD ASKED THAT THIS BE A WORK SESSION TO GO OVER CHARGES THAT WE HAVE FOR, UM, OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO THEM OTHER THAN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED.
SO I DO, WE HAVE, UM, REMEMBER HOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING, UH, MR. HERB'S EVALUATION AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A STRATEGIC PLAN WITH GOALS THAT WE SET TO RATE HIM ON WHETHER OR NOT HE'S MET THOSE GOALS.
DID, DID WE EVER DO THAT? DO WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR? WHAT SPECIFIC GOALS THAT WE NEED TO MEET? NO.
THE CITY COUNCIL DOES THE STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR IT'S SPOTTY IN MARCH AND THE SPRING.
I WONDER IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP TO ACTUALLY HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR JANUARY FOR THE YEAR.
IT SEEMS LIKE HAVING ONE IN MARCH ONCE THE YEAR STARTED JUST SEEMS A LITTLE LATE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, AND THIS IS ME COMING IN NEW, BUT JUST WHAT I DO IN MY REGULAR JOB IS YOU HAVE A PLAN, YOU HAVE GOALS, AND YOU HAVE DEPARTMENTS AND YOU GIVE YOUR DEPARTMENTS THEIR GOALS, WHICH HELPS TO MEET THE OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO IF WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN, THEN WE CAN SEPARATE THOSE GOALS OUT INTO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT CAN HELP US MEET OUR OVERARCHING GOAL.
SO WHEN I GOT, UM, PARKS, I GAVE THEM SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED THEM TO WORK ON THAT WOULD HELP US REACH THE GOAL OF HAVING FOREST PARK RENOVATED BY CERTAIN TIMES.
SO I ASSUME THAT THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
I'M, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHY.
I MEAN, IT JUST, I GUESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE COMMON SENSE TO ME.
SO WHAT WOULD, DO THEY HAVE A GOAL THEY WORK FOR OR DO THEY JUST MEET ARBITRARILY? THE, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS HAVE HAVE POWERS THAT WERE GRANTED TO THEM BY THE FORMATION OF, OF THEM IN THE BEGINNING.
SO THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THEM, AND WHAT WE HAVE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN IS THE CODE.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T LEARNED TO USE THE MUNICIPAL CODE AS A REFERENCE DOCUMENT, UH, I THREW IT UP HERE BECAUSE ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED POWERS AND DUTIES ARE LISTED OUT HERE.
AND YOU CAN JUST GO THROUGH SHORT OF THAT.
YOU HAVE STATUTORILY CREATED OR REQUIRED BOARDS LIKE PLANNING AND ZONING.
THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC JOB DUTY, JOB DESCRIPTION, IF YOU WILL, OF ITEMS THAT ARE
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ASSIGNED TO THEM THAT ARE, THAT ARE STATUTORY.THAT WOULDN'T BE THE ONE THAT I WAS THINKING.
DOES THAT I CAN YOU DEPART OF DUTIES OF LIBRARY SO I COULD SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT EVEN, EVEN PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU COULD IN THEORY, BECAUSE THEY CAN DO MORE THAN JUST APPROVE PLOTS AND MAKE ZONING CASES.
THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DO HEARINGS ON OTHER THINGS.
SO, BUT THIS IS THE SORT OF STUFF THAT IS OUTLINED IN EACH ONE OF THE, UH, OF THE EXISTING BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
UM, GENERALLY, UH, THE TERMINOLOGY I TYPICALLY USE IS, YOU KNOW, BOARDS ARE USUALLY MORE, UH, STATUTORY ON THE SIDE, LIKE PLANNING AND ZONING IS CALLED A COMMISSION, BUT BOARDS ARE USUALLY, UM, MAYBE I HAVE IT BACKWARDS.
COMMISSIONS ARE, ARE STATUTORY AND BOARDS ARE USUALLY CREATED IN ORDER TO, TO FILL IN THE GAPS ON OTHER AREAS.
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD NOTE IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS IN MARCH, I BELIEVE.
I DIDN'T SET THAT, THAT'S JUST WHAT I INHERITED, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IN MARCH BECAUSE THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SET ITS VISION TO IMPACT BUDGET PREPARATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN BEFORE MAY OR APRIL.
BUT IF YOU DID IT LIKE SAY IN OCTOBER, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT ANYTHING THAT IS IN YOUR VISION PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S NO DOLLARS ATTACHED TO WHATEVER YOUR VISION MAY BE.
SO THE MARCH TIMEFRAME ALLOWS THE BUDGET TO GET PREPPED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THEN FOR YOU TO HAVE ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF IMPLEMENTATION OR DELIVERABLES TO ASSESS NEXT MARCH WHILE YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO I'M THINKING THAT'S WHY MARCH WAS SELECTED.
I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD AT LEAST MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR WHY IT WAS SELECTED.
UH, SO THAT WAY THE, THE STRATEGIC PLAN CAN INFORM THE FOR FORMATION OF THE BUDGET.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS OF IMPLEMENTATION.
WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET IS THE NEXT STEP OF WE THINK THE LIBRARY BOARD SHOULD BE WORKING ON X, Y, OR Z.
AND IT'S SO FAR AS IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A BUDGET.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT CAN'T HAPPEN OCTOBER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET YEAR.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH DO CHARGES LIKE, UH, LIKE BRIAN IS, IS ASKING ABOUT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THOSE.
AND, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE RELATED, SPLIT BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING.
LIKE YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE PLANNING AND ZONING AND CHARGE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE FILLED UP THEIR MEETING WITH STUFF BEING DONE.
NOW THERE CAN BE THE CHARGE OF, HEY, WE DO WANT YOU GUYS TO GO LOOK AT REWRITING THE UDC, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN 'EM THAT CHARGE, RIGHT.
AND WORKING WITH THE PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NO.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME THING, ZONING, BOARD ADJUSTMENT.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GIVE THEM A DIRECTION TO GO LOOK AT, WHICH MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
IT WAS HISTORICAL AND PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, UH, THAT ONE MET POSSIBLY WE COULD GIVE A VISION TO.
PARKS BOARD, UH, LIBRARY, UH, DNI.
UM, SO I THINK WE, WHAT FIRST THINGS HAPPEN IS LOOK THROUGH ALL OF 'EM AND SAY, THESE ARE ONES THAT YOU COULD GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO THESE THAT ARE WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO MESS WITH.
AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY, COME UP WITH IDEAS.
COME BACK WITH YOUR ANNUAL REPORT TO US IN JANUARY AND WE SAY, THIS IS THE TWEAKS WE WANT.
WE WANT YOU TO GIVE YOUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS BY END OF FEBRUARY OR THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH.
SO WHEN WE GO TO OUR STRATEGIC VISION, WE'VE GOT THOSE REPORTS AND WE CAN TWEAK IT.
THEN WE GET IT BACK WHAT IT IS, AND THEN WE CAN PLAN IT.
AND MUCH BETTER PROCESS THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND UM, LIKE I'M WONDERING HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN THESE POWERS AND DUTIES?
EVERYONE THAT'S ON A BORDER COMMISSION SHOULD BE ORIENTED TO WHAT THEY'RE ENABLING LEGISLATION IS.
I THINK ANGELA SENDS ON THAT TOO WHENEVER THEY GET POINTED.
YEAH, I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE, WELL, NUMBER ONE, US WORK ON A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR OURSELVES.
BUT I GUESS
LIKE I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN LIKE, IT'S HEAVY DRIVEN BY LIKE THE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? THAT'S LIKE SAY JEFF WITH PARKS, RIGHT? HE'S GOT CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE ON HIS AGENDA, RIGHT? BUT ANYBODY ON THE BOARD CAN THEN ADD SOMETHING TOO.
LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO GIVE THIS PART EXTRA LOVE.
BUT JEFF'S LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S JUST NOT A PRIORITY FOR MY DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THAT MEMBER, IT'S LIKE US, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY CAN THROW ANYTHING ON THAT AGENDA.
AND THAT'S LIKE BRUCE WHO LOVES THE LIBRARY AND HE'S ALWAYS LIKE, I JUST, WE DON'T HAVE ANY VISION.
WHERE DO WE GO? WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE JUST KIND OF SITTING HERE LIKE DUCKS OR, OR DNI THAT HAS COMPLETELY FALLEN APART BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURE OR VALIDATION
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OR GUIDANCE.I, I THINK WE HAVE FAILED THEM.
I WOULDN'T WANNA BE A PART OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PROPERLY PREPARED AND, UM, DRAWN OUT.
SO THE PROTOCOLS, UM, DO HAVE, UM, KIND OF GUIDELINES OF HOW TO GIVE THEM A CHARGE AND HOW TO DEVELOP A CHARGE.
WE'VE NEVER DONE IT
IT'S NOT PART OF THE ADS THAT, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD.
UM, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT EVERY, EVERY, UH, ORDER COMMISSION SHALL HAVE A CHARGE.
AND IT DOES GIVE ELEMENTS IN I PARAGRAPH THREE.
AND IT GIVES A WHOLE BUNCH OF ELEMENTS OF WHAT THE CHARGE CAN OR SHOULD, UM, CONTAIN.
SO IT SAYS, UH, THE CHARGE WOULD CONTAIN, UH, A LIST OF THEIR GENERAL POWERS AND DUTIES.
AND SO EITHER GOT THAT FROM HERE OR, OR TELL 'EM WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE, GIVE THEM A VISION OR A MISSION STATEMENT.
UHHUH
UM, ENUMERATE WHO THE OFFICERS AND MEMBERS ARE.
UM, LIST OUT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE MEMBERS, WHICH AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCES.
UM, ETHICS AND STANDARDS OF PERFORMANCE.
AND SOME OF THIS COULD INCLUDE LIKE OUR ATTENDANCE.
WE HAVE AN ATTENDANCE POLICY WHERE IF THEY MISS SO MUCH, THEY COULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, ANY TRAINING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ONE.
'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE BOARDS MEMBERS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO DO ANNUAL TRAINING OR REOCCURRING TRAINING.
AND SO THAT COULD BE A PART OF IT.
UM, TIMELINES, SCHEDULE, REPORTING DATES.
A LOT OF THESE NEED TO MAKE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
LIKE YOUR LIBRARY SAYS NUMBER EIGHT MM-HMM.
UM, SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THEIR TIMELINE AND EXPECT WHEN THEY REPORT TO US, UM, WHAT THEIR MEETING REQUIREMENTS ARE, HOW OFTEN THEY MEET, ALL THAT, UM, LIST OUT WHAT THEIR ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS.
ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, IT NAMES WHO THEIR STAFF LIAISON IS.
SO THE ONLY PROPOSED CHANGE IN HERE THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED LAST TIME WAS THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW IT AS A COUNCIL AND STAFF AT LEAST ANNUALLY TO JUST LOOK AT IT AND SEE DOES IT NEED TO BE UPDATED? DOES NEED TO BE MODIFIED.
BUT YEAH, I, OR POSSIBLY ADD QUARTERLY REPORTS TO COUNCIL INSTEAD OF YEARLY IF IT'S LIKE, LIKE I WANT, WELL THE PROBLEM IS, IS SOME OF THESE BOARDS ONLY MEET QUARTERLY.
THEN IT'S LIKE, BUT IF WE'RE DOING FRITZ PARK, I MEAN, I WANNA HEAR FROM THEM QUARTERLY SO WE CAN STAY ABREAST.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE AS NEEDED.
BUT THE QUARTERLY THAT REPORT WOULD COME, I WOULD THINK, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CIP PROJECT, WHICH IS GONNA BE, JEFF WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
EVERY MONTH WE WOULD GET UPDATES ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, START OUR CONSTRUCTION OF THE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PROTOCOL THAT JUST HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED.
AND IT DOES UNDER NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS THAT THE CHARGE SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE APPROPRIATE CITY STAFF, UM, LIAISON DESIGNATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
SO WHOEVER THAT STAFF LIAISON IS.
AND THEN I GUESS WE WOULD JUST REVIEW IT AND APPROVE IT OR ADD TO IT OR YEAH.
WELL, I KNOW SOME OF THOSE THINGS DO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THE, THE PARKS BOARD DOES COME AND GIVE A REPORT.
UH, I KNOW THE LIBRARY WAS, UH, WE ENDED UP GETTING THE REPORT FROM TRUDY WITH, WITH THE LIBRARY, ALL THE POLICIES AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THE BOARD WAS PREPARING TO DO THAT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO HAVE A MEETING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS IN A ROW.
AND SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO COME AND DO IT.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH D AND I.
AND I KNOW WHEN D AND I MET LAST TIME, THEY WERE REVIEWING MISSION STATEMENTS, VISION STATEMENTS, ALL THAT.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE THERE, BUT YEAH, SOME OF IT IS, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO MEET.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THE BOARDS STAFFED WITH, WITH VOLUNTEERS SO THAT THEY CAN MEET AND GET THEIR WORK DONE.
SO, LOOKS LIKE WE JUST GOTTA TIGHTEN UP A BIT.
SO FOR MY EDIFICATION IS, IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT, DOES THAT REFLECT WHAT THE BODY WANTS IS FOR STAFF TO BE THE ORIGINATOR OF THE P OF WORK? OR SHOULD WE JUST BE A PART OF, I I WANT ALL THREE.
I WANT, I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT, I MEAN, WELL, STAFF COMES BACK TO THERE'S COUNCIL DIRECTION.
THERE'S, THERE'S YOU DIRECTING YOUR STAFF DIRECTLY AND, AND THAT, AND YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY BOARD CAN'T TELL TRUDY WHAT TO DO.
TRUDY CAN'T JUST DECIDE WHAT TO DO WELL ON OUR OWN EITHER.
THAT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE RIGHT CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SO IT'S ALL ABOUT, SO WE WANT INPUT FROM THE LIBRARY BOARD.
WE WANT INPUT FROM COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DOES,
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YOU KNOW, HAVE THE THUMB TO PUSH ON IT AND, AND PUSH IT THROUGH WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THROUGH CITY MANAGEMENT STAFF, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN DIRECTIVES FOR HOW YOU WANT THEM TO IMPLEMENT WHATEVER THINGS YOU'RE DOING AS FAR AS STAFFING AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES.
I MEAN THE STAFF'S ALREADY LIKE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH IT.
SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR PART AND WHAT WE NEED TO LIKE TASK 'EM WITH, EVEN IF IT'S ONE THING, RIGHT.
AND THEN NEXT YEAR, THEN WE CAN KIND OF GET A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT ANYONE ALWAYS MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE ROOM TO BRING OTHER THINGS.
SO WHAT IF IT WORKED LIKE THIS? WHAT IF THE STAFF MEMBER WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO THE BOARD WORKED JOINTLY WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE COUNCIL LIAISON THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THAT BOARD AND THEY DEVELOP THE CHARGE? MM-HMM.
AND THEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR LIKE APPROVAL OR, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WORKING TOGETHER WITH COLLABORATION AND THOSE POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN FIRST.
'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
THAT'S WHERE THE GOAL PIECE COMES IN.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT A PROTOCOL THAT EXISTS OUTSIDE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL, A BOARD OR COMMISSION'S DESCRIPTION AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
WHERE IS THAT PRO PROTOCOL FOR BOARDS OF COMMISSION RESIDE RIGHT NOW? HE, HE IS REFERRING TO THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS.
SOME GUIDANCE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS CONTAINED WITHIN THAT.
LIKE IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR NOMINATING.
IT'S THAT THAT'S IN THE FIRST SECTION.
AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW CHANGES ON THERE, BUT THERE'S ONLY ABOUT HOW THE BOARD NOMINATES AND HOW THAT IS COMMUNICATED.
LIKE THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONAL STUFF OF HOW THE PARKS BOARD WORKS IS NOT IN THERE AND IT'S NOT ANYWHERE.
SO THAT, SO THERE ISN'T A PROTOCOL FOR, SO THE ONLY PROTOCOL Y'ALL REFERRING TO IN THIS WORK SESSION IS THIS DOCUMENT OR IN THIS DOCUMENT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T HAVE A BOARD THAT NEEDS SOME NEW IDEA, RIGHT? SO I'M P AND Z
I GUESS WHAT, WHAT IS MY ROLE? I MEAN, I GUESS I CAN GO WITH PARKS I GUESS AND WELL, I MEAN JUMP IN THERE AND JUST COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
WELL IF YOU KNOW WHAT PLANT PLAN WHEN I WAS ON P AND Z AND THEN I HAVE THE COUNCIL PERSON, YOU KNOW, HE WOULDN'T JUMP IN ON ANYTHING IN THE MEETING, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THEN WHEN I WOULD SEE PRESENTED AT COUNCIL AND HE COULD PROVIDE SOME COLOR COMMENTARY THAT WOULDN'T JUST COME FROM ASHLEY OF HOW THE DISCUSSION WENT.
UM, WHICH MIGHT HELP COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE, OH WELL WE WANT TO BLOCK ALL THIS OFF.
WELL, OKAY, THAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED AND THESE, 'CAUSE THEY TOOK AN HOUR TO DISCUSS THIS ONE ITEM.
AND THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO REHASH IT AGAIN COMPLETELY, BECAUSE WE, IF WE TRUST THAT WE PUT GOOD PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD AND THEY REHASHED IT AND STAFF WENT HASHED IT.
AND YES, WE WANT TO TWEAK IT SOME MORE AS WELL.
BUT YOU PROVIDE THAT GAP BETWEEN WE WEREN'T IN THAT MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SAME THING ON THE EDC, LIKE, EXCEPT A LOT OF THOSE WERE AN EXECUTIVE WHEN WE WOULD COME IN AND TALK, BUT WE WOULD SAY, HEY, THIS PROJECT'S COMING.
UM, EXCEPT THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT A, WELL I GUESS WE HAD THE LIAISON, YOU AT THE LIAISON THE EDC, BUT YOU'RE ALSO A BOARD MEMBER.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE THAT INFORMATION AND JUST SAY THAT OTHER COMMENTARY OF WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY Y'ALL VOTED A CERTAIN WAY AND LIKE, SHOULD WE SUPPORT IT OR RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, OR HEY, WE HAVE A ROAD BOARD.
I JUST DON'T SEE THIS WHOLE PROCESS AS SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN A LOT OF THE BIGGER CITIES.
I KNOW THAT METRO AREA THAT HAS.
SO IF YOU GO TO SOME OF THE CITIES, WE'RE OUT THERE WORKING WITH STAFF IS GOING LIKE TO SAY PNCI SAID BEFORE STAFF, IN MY OPINION, AND JAMES I'VE TALKED A WHILE BACK, THEY NEED TO GIVE A MORE ROBUST PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.
I, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO SAY, WELL HERE'S MY VIEW OF WHAT WAS SAID.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT BOARD RECOMMENDS SOMETHING.
I HONESTLY THAT THAT'S ALL IS TO ME AS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO I DO WANNA REHASH CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T AND, AND YOU WANNA TAKE THEIR VIEW, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE OUR POWER TO THE BOARDS AND JUST LET THEM MAKE DECISIONS AND CALL TODAY.
BECAUSE FREQUENTLY IN OTHER CITIES, NA OR JAMES CAN CORRECT ME, BUT YOU'LL SEE P AND Z APPROVE SOMETHING COUNCIL, DENY IT P AND Z DENY SOMETHING
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AND THEN COUNCIL APPROVES IT WITH THE SUPER MAJORITY BECAUSE COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS MORE INFORMATION THAN ALL THE BOARDS.BUT TO ME, STAFF OUGHT TO BE THE ONES SETTING A LOT OF THE, THE TAKE LIKE LIBRARY TRUDY AND HER PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE SETTING THE STANDARD IN TERMS OF HERE'S WHAT OUR THING IS BASED ON.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OWN VISION IN MARCH.
WE'RE GONNA TASK THE CITY MANAGER WITH WHAT ALL NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.
HE'S THEN LEADING WITH HIS DIRECT REPORT SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO GO DO.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THAT BOARD AND POWER THAT BOARD TO HELP THEM GET WHAT JAMES WANTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT.
AND I THINK IF YOU REALLY WANNA HIGH, HIGH EFFICIENCY FLOWING THING, I THINK WHAT DRAGS INTO IT IS TO THE ON PARK.
NOW I HAVE SEEN A CITY WHERE ONE, ONE HERE WHERE THE LIAISON HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ON EVERYTHING.
IT JUST, IT JUST CREATES CHAOS BECAUSE I REALLY, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A VOTING DEAL.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US ALMOST TRY, WE'VE TRIED LIAISONS FOR TWO YEARS, I THINK TAKE US A STOP FOR A YEAR.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE IF WE JUST SAY, JAMES, WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR PLAN IN MARCH IMPLEMENTED AND IF YOU DON'T GET IT IMPLEMENTED AND GET IT DONE, THEN YOU NEED TO COME TO US WITH STAFF CHANGES, BUDGET CHANGES, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO GET DONE.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE STAFF BE MORE INVOLVED IN THE DEALS AND SETTING THINGS UP AND BE ABLE TO SAY THAT.
LIKE IF WE HAD AN ACCOUNTING BOARD, LET'S SAY I'D WANT, UM, OUR CFO TO BE SITTING THERE GOING, HEY LOOK, TRANSPARENCY STARS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR AND SO HERE'S WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO WORK ON.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO, IT'S ALMOST LIKE MICRO MANSION IN A WAY.
LET THE BOARDS DO THEIR THING, BRING THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT ANY INPUT OR ANY, 'CAUSE ONE OF US CAN EASILY SWAY A BOARD TO DO ANYTHING.
GET US COMPLETELY OUT OF IT, HAVE THEM COME UP, HAVE AN UNBIASED DEAL AND TRY THAT ROUTE.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS GO TO JAMES.
'CAUSE THE MORE WE'RE GETTING INVOLVED, WE COULD SET UP A, A PRIORITY IN MARCH.
AT THE END OF OCTOBER, WE GOT ANOTHER PRIORITY.
BUT THE BUDGET WE'RE GRADING THEM ON WHAT THE ONE WE SAID IN OCTOBER OR THE ONE WE SAID IN MARCH.
WHAT? SO YOU TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL SETTING THE PRIORITY OR THAT LIAISONS SETTING? NO, I'M SAYING WE DON'T HAVE A LIAISON.
YOU'RE SAYING IT ALL TOGETHER.
WE DO IT, WE DO IT IN MARCH IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING.
THAT'S WHAT JAMES IS GONNA BE BRINGING A BUDGET TO US FOR.
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE DO A LOT OF THE HASHING OUT OF WORK, IN MY OPINION, ON THE DAAS BECAUSE STAFF IS LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE GOT, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING NECESSARILY A RECOMMENDATION YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
AND SO IF WE EMPOWER THEM, I THINK SOMETIMES WE'VE TAKEN OVER SO MUCH THE STAFF JUST GIVEN US INFORMATION AND TO ME WE OUGHT TO BE LIKE, OKAY, CITY MANAGER, WHY ARE YOU AND YOUR STAFF SO IN FAVOR OF THIS? OR WHY ARE YOU GUYS PUSHING FOR THIS? AND IF THEY DO THEIR PRESENTATION CORRECTLY, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY EXPLANATIONS.
I MEAN A ZONING, A ZONING PRESENTATION BY STAFF TYPICALLY I SEE TAKE 15 TO 20 MINUTES IN HUDDLE.
AND THEN WE SPEND MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT P AND Z DID OR DIDN'T SAY.
UM, AND I THINK REALLY WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IS STAFF OUGHT TO BE GIVEN, GIVEN US MORE INFORMATION AND THEN FINISH IT UP WITH P AND Z VOTED THIS WAY AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.
'CAUSE IF WE GET INTO WHAT, WHY P AND Z SAID SOMETHING, NO OFFENSE TO P AND Z MEMBERS, BUT ONE WHO WAS VOCAL, WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM ALL SEVEN OF 'EM.
WE'RE JUST HEARING WHAT THE VOCAL PERSON SAID OR WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID.
AND THE CHAIRMAN MAY BE, I MEAN LET'S LOOK AT THIS COUNCIL.
IF I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS BOARD, I GET OUT VOTED ALL THE TIME.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO GO UP AND TELL THE NEXT BOARD THAT HERE'S WHAT I THINK HAPPENED? YOU WOULD SAY, WELL NO, BECAUSE YOU WERE IN THE MINORITY AND SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO'S VOTING WHICH WAY.
WE SHOULD JUST KNOW PNZ VOTED SEVEN OH OR THEY VOTED FOUR THREE STAFF.
WHAT WAS SOME BIG CONCERNS? STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO US.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT TAKES OUT OUR OWN BIASES OUT OF A THING.
UH, BUT I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, I WON'T NAME THE NAMES, BUT VERY CLOSE US.
A LOT OF 'EM DON'T HAVE LIAISONS.
I IF YOU'VE SEEN LIAISONS BEFORE.
IF WE DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEN THAT PUTS MORE EMPHASIS ON US TO HAVE THAT STRATEGIC PLAN ON WHAT WE'D LIKE STAFF TO SEE.
SO THEREFORE, THAT STRATEGIC SESSION IN MARCH, MARCH, THERE'S A LOT THAT WOULD NEED TO GO INTO THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE TASKING STAFF WITH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING THESE PRESENTATIONS TO BE ON, THEY SHOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT WE SET IN MARCH.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, SOME OF IT'S GOT THINGS THAT MEASURE THE CITY MANAGER.
BUT I WOULD SAY A LOT OF IT IS JUST FLUFF.
IT'S, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A ROBUST PARK SYSTEM.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO, WHEN YOU SEE OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE LIKE DETAIL TO WHERE A CITY MANAGER'S GOING LIKE, LOOK, I GOTTA GO GET THIS DITCH REBUILT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE PLAN TO FIX.
BUT THAT WAS SET BY CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? THEY SET IT AND
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THEN THE WHOLE BUDGET SYSTEM IS ALL EARMARKED.AND, AND THEN I THINK IT FREES UP, IT, IT, IT SOLVES A LOT OF OUR ISSUES WITH THE BUDGET CYCLE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, DO WE GET A STREET SWEEPER? WELL, QUITE HONESTLY, WHY ARE WE BUYING A STREET SWEEPER WHEN THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SAYS WE EVEN NEED A STREET SWEEPER.
NOW IF WE WANNA DO ROAD MAINTENANCE AND DO THIS AND THIS, THEN WE CAN ALL AGREE IT'S AN EASY THING.
WE GOTTA GIVE $2 MILLION A YEAR TO THIS BECAUSE WE SAID THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, WE HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN OVER HERE AND OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOMETIMES THAN WHAT'S IN THIS PLAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW HE DEALS WITH IT BECAUSE IT, I'M VERY BLACK AND WHITE AS PEOPLE ARE LEARNING.
AND SO LITERALLY WHEN IF I WAS BEING EVALUATED, I'D WANNA GO CLICK, CLICK, CLICK DOWN THE LINE, INSTEAD I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR PEOPLE PROBABLY THINK I DID A GOOD JOB.
BUT HOW DO THEY GRADE ME? BECAUSE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, DEFINITE THINGS.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE IDENTIFIED TOO, IS YOU HAVE THIS COUNCIL'S CIP, YOU GOT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN HOW DOES THIS FILTER INTO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS? RIGHT? AND THERE'S NOTHING.
AND SO CITIZENS ARE LIKE, WELL WHAT DOES COUNCIL WANT? THEY'RE WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS.
HOW DOES THAT, WHAT, WHERE DO WE FIT IN? WHY AM I EVEN ON THIS BOARD? YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA FIT INTO THE PLAN OR HOW IS THAT GONNA FIT INTO THE CIP AND SO MM-HMM.
I THINK THAT THAT PUTS A, A LOT MORE EMPHASIS ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT REALLY IS THE OVER THE UMBRELLA FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD.
VOLUNTEERS, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, STAFF, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
I DUNNO WHO STAFF LIAISON THIS FOR SAFETY AND I, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IDEALLY THAT WOULD COME OUT HR DEPARTMENT WHO HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE IN THAT.
BECAUSE IF IT JUST, ANY STAFF MEMBER GOES THERE.
BUT IF THEY DON'T THEMSELVES HAVE THE TRAINING, THE EXPERIENCE, THE EDUCATION IN THAT, THEN THEY'RE HOW ARE THEY, WHATEVER CHARGE WE GIVE THEM, THEY REALLY DON'T, UNTIL THEY'RE EDUCATED AND TRAINED, THEY WOULDN'T KNOW.
AND SAME WITH THAT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GONNA PUT ASHLEY NOT ON P AND Z.
DAN'S GONNA BE, HE'S STAFF MEMBER.
HE'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF P AND C.
WELL, HE'LL LEARN IT AS HE GOES, WELL WE'RE MAKING MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISIONS BASED ON HOPEFULLY THE MOST EDUCATED PERSON THAT'S QUALIFIED.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE SHOULD BE HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERYTHING.
RIGHT? THAT HAPPENS IN A CITY.
AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT FALLS SHORT, IT SHOULD BE YOUR FAULT OR OUR FAULT FOR NOT TASKING YOU TO DO IT.
SO IF WE DON'T TASK YOU TO FIX POTHOLES AND PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT POTHOLES, THAT'S NOT YOU.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE PLAN OR THE BUDGET, IT'S ON US.
AND WE SHOULD TAKE ALL THE HITS ON THAT.
BUT IF WE BUDGET YOU FOR THAT, IF WE HAVE A PLAN, THEN IT'S YOUR JOB TO COME UP AND SAY, WELL YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DOES THIS OR YOU DIDN'T DO THIS, OR I NEED THIS MUCH MONEY.
AND UM, I THINK THAT'LL MAKE THIS, AND I GET, UM, LET YOU GO BUT, AND TALK.
BUT I MEAN, WELL AND VICE VERSA.
IT'LL HELP THE CITIZENS TO SEE WHERE ARE WE LACKING? GO TO THE CITY MANAGER.
WE NEED TO ADD THIS TO THE GOALS AND THAT NEEDS TO BE FILTERED UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO I THINK IT WORKS BOTH WAYS WITH YOU BEING THE MIDDLEMAN.
SO WHAT, WHAT MY OBSERVATIONS HAVE BEEN BOTH IN PREPPING FOR BEING A CANDIDATE HERE AND THEN HAVING BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR.
WHAT MY OBSERVATIONS HAVE BEEN IS THAT THE CITY GOT UPSIDE DOWN AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS THE ONE THAT WAS SETTING POLICY.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS JUST, YEAH, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
AND MOST CITIES, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE WHO IS DETERMINING LIKE WHAT THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY IS, WHAT THE POLICIES ARE THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER.
AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TAKE INPUT, YOU TAKE ADVICE, YOU TAKE THOSE THINGS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU ARE ALL THE ONES WHO HAVE GOTTEN ELECTED TO OFFICE AND YOU HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT VOICES THAT ARE CRYING OUT FOR CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING.
SO IN, IN SETTING A STRATEGIC VISION, WHETHER THAT BE IN MARCH OR WHATEVER TIME OF THE YEAR, IS REALLY IRRELEVANT.
WHENEVER WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS SAYING THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE VALUE AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT STAFF TO IMPLEMENT.
RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT RESOURCES.
YOU HAVE MONEY, YOU HAVE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERS, YOU HAVE PARTNERSHIPS, YOU HAVE TIME.
THOSE ARE ALL RESOURCES THAT YOU THEN DEPLOY IN ORDER TO DO THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAVE SAID ARE IMPORTANT.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHO GET ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TOO.
SO YOU HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO ARE LIKE, I'M GETTING ON THIS BOARD AND COMMISSION 'CAUSE I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DONE.
THIS PARTICULAR THING, WHATEVER IT IS, FILL IN THE BLANK, DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE, I JUST CARE ABOUT THIS AND I WANNA BE A PART.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO JUST CARE AND WANNA BE A PART THEY'RE WAITING FOR, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SPENDING A BUNCH OF TIME AND
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ENERGY AND THEN COUNCIL BE LIKE, NAH, WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY.LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU JUST WASTED YOUR TIME.
RIGHT? WHAT THEY WANT IS, HEY, BOARD, WE REALLY WANT THIS THING TO BE A PRIORITY AND TO GET THIS IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR AND IF NOT THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR, GO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY CAN WORK ON IT, THEY CAN GET EDUCATED, THEY CAN DO THE THINGS.
WHERE YOU GET CROSSWAYS IS WHENEVER THE BOARDS ARE TASKED WITH THINGS THAT REQUIRE STAFF LEVEL INTIMACY OF KNOWLEDGE OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, LIKE THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON LIKE WHERE THE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT'S GONNA GO ON THE PARK OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE THAT'S NOT THE LEVEL THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING AT.
WE'RE HIRING A COMPANY THAT'S DESIGNING.
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CERTIFIED ENGINEERING.
BUT THE CHARGE WOULD BE LIKE TWO, LIKE TWO CHARGES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GET DONE WITH STAFF'S HELP, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN BRANCH OFF OF THAT.
LIKE, SO SAY YOUR PRIORITY WAS, AND I'M MAKING ONE UP JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE.
SAY SAY YOUR, WHAT'S THAT? I GOT ONE.
YEAH, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE DNI, LIKE EVERY MONTH THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE, FEBRUARY'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
WE JUST HAD HISPANIC AMERICAN HERITAGE, SO, SO WHATEVER THE CULTURAL, LIKE SOME KIND OF CULTURE THINGS THAT WE CAN HIGHLIGHT, THEN THEY CAN KIND OF PLAN THAT OUT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL SO WE CAN RECOGNIZE THAT.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WE MISS STUFF.
RIGHT? AND BUT ALSO MAYBE THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING LIKE A SMALL, LIKE CORNER DOWN HERE IN CITY HALL, BUT AS LIKE THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR COMES AROUND, THEY CAN BE LIKE, HEY, CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY SO THAT WE CAN LIKE CELEBRATE THAT MONTH OF, YOU KNOW, JUST HERE IN CITY HALL.
SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE LIBRARY THEY'D BE LIKE, OH YEAH.
OR YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW, I DON'T KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT IDEA.
THAT'S HOW THE DIA DE LOS STOS.
SO LIKE CELEBRATION IN KYLE GOT STARTED.
WAS THAT THE VERY THING? YEAH.
LIKE WE NEED TO DO LIKE A SEPTEMBER 11TH THING.
LIKE I, I LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO JUST AS A CITY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE ROUND BROCK HOPES ALL THE FLAGS IN THE PARK AND IT'S JUST, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S NICE, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DO THAT.
RIGHT? BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT COSTS MONEY.
RIGHT? SO I GUESS I NEED TO THINK OF DIFFERENT, WHAT I TOLD JAMES, MY, MY THOUGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE A SHIP AND THE JOB OF THE, WE'RE THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COMPANY.
SO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF ANY COMPANY IN THE US IS NOT OUT IN THE ACTUAL APPLE STORE HELPING THE SALES TEAM.
THEY'RE JUST HITTING THE ONE GUY, THE CEO OR THE ONE LADY, THE CEO AND SAYING, THIS IS IT.
I THINK OUR JOB IS TO TELL THE CITY MANAGER WE WANNA GO TO THIS PLACE AND THIS MUCH TIME WHAT WE'LL TAKE TO GET US.
AND THEN HIS JOB IS TO COME BACK AND SAY, I'M GONNA NEED THIS MUCH PEOPLE, THIS MUCH MONEY.
AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY.
AND HE'S GONNA SAY, WELL IT'S GONNA TAKE US LONGER TO GET IT DONE.
ONCE WE GET THAT, WE BUDGET HIM THE MONEY.
IT'S HIS JOB TO DO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD, TO ME WOULD BE LIKE, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A PROVISIONS BOARD, THEY WOULD SAY, WELL THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE JAMES IS TELLING THE STAFF, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT FOOD.
WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING AWAY FOR SIX MONTHS.
THAT BOARD HELPS JAMES AND STAFF MEMBERS ACHIEVE THE GOAL WE SET FOR JAMES WHEN WE GET IN THERE AND WE'RE TELLING JAMES ONE THING OVER HERE, AND THEN ON COUNCIL WE'RE PUSHING ANOTHER.
THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE I THINK ON THE BOARDS THAT ARE FRUSTRATED GOING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE BECAUSE YOU, YOU DIDN'T BUDGET ANY MONEY FOR THIS.
YOU'RE SAYING THIS OVER HERE, BUT YOU APPROVED THIS OVER HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF SEE IS WE OUGHT TO BE EMPOWERING HIM MORE.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO PARK NAMING THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, PLATTS, THERE'S THINGS THAT STATUTORILY OR THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS SPECIFIC, UH, SPECIFIC THINGS WE CAN DO WHEN IT COMES TO OVERALL RUNNING THE CITY.
I KNOW, I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING THE CAPTAIN WHAT TO DO AND THEN IF HE GETS OFF COURSE, THEN WE CAN WORK WITH HIM AND UH, GET US BACK ON.
AND THEN HE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE HIT ROUGH WATERS.
WE NEED MORE MONEY OR WHATEVER.
OR IF YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO ALASKA AND I SAY WE'RE GOING TO ARGENTINA, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN HE SAID THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WAS BEFORE.
NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALASKA.
WELL WE OUGHT TO BE SAYING THE MAJORITY OF US SAY WE'RE GOING TO ALASKA AND WE WANT TO BE THERE BY JUNE 1ST.
IF YOU'RE THERE JUNE 2ND, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
AND HE NEEDS TO BE GIVING US, HE OR SHE, RIVER CITY MANAGERS NEEDS TO GIVE US PROGRESS REPORTS IN MY MIND, MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY.
HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT TO THIS GOAL AND WE EITHER HAVE MORE THAN WHAT WE NEED OR I NEED SOME MORE STUFF BECAUSE I HAVE TO, WHATEVER SOMETHING HAPPENED.
SOUNDS LIKE IN THE PER, LIKE IF WE DO IT THAT WAY, LET'S SAY HE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, TASK A BOARD OR COMMISSION TO HELP HIM HIT ONE OF THE GOALS.
RIGHT? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE CERTAIN PARAMETERS.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT STRATEGIC PLANNING, HAVE CERTAIN PARAMETERS ON WHAT WE TASK CITY MANAGER TO DO FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT PURVIEW LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T HIT THE GOAL WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GIVING TO A BOARD AND COMMISSION, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MEET, DON'T MEET, UM,
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HAVE QUORUM, DON'T HAVE QUORUM.AND SO I THINK, BUT SEE THAT'S ALL IN DEVELOP PARAMETERS.
THAT'S ALL IN HIM BECAUSE HIS STAFF LIAISON, THEY CONTROL THE COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY.
SO IF HE'S HAVING, IN MY MIND, IF YOU DO THIS STAFF'S PUTTING OUT MORE INFORMATION ON SIGNING UP FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BECAUSE IT'S FREE LABOR IN A WAY.
FREE IDEAS, FREE CONSENSUS BILLING TO GET THINGS DONE.
AND SO IF HE'S GOT A GOAL TO HIT, THE MORE HE PUSHES OUT THESE MESSAGES.
I MEAN, CITY MANAGER CONTROLS AFFAIRS, RIGHT? WE CAN HAVE A CITY BOOTH SET UP.
THE CITY MANAGER DOES, HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THESE THINGS.
WE JUST GOTTA SIT BACK AND SAY, HERE'S YOUR 25 THINGS WE'RE GRADING ON TO THE DETAILS AND THEN GO GET IT DONE.
AND I THINK HE'LL BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN MY MIND BECAUSE HE'LL BE ABLE TO COME TO US AND GO, OKAY, TO HIT THIS ONE HERE, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE LIBRARY BOARD BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE TASKED WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, I MEAN, DOES THAT SEEM TOO, IF IF HYPOTHETICALLY IF IT WENT DOWN THE WAY, DOES THAT SEEM TOO, DOES THAT HURT YOU IN DOING YOUR JOB? DOES THAT NO, I, I THINK I DO THINK IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THOUGH.
UM, I I THINK THAT THAT CERTAINLY, THAT'S CERTAINLY THE CORRECT THING FOR ME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS STILL DESERVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT COUNCIL'S VISION IS TO TRY TO GET IMPLEMENTED FOR THE YEAR.
WE, IT'S WE ABOUT WHO'S DRIVING THE BUS.
MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S A TRAIL PLAN, MAYBE IT'S A, LIKE SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WAY OF SAYING IT? LIKE ALL THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, ALL THE RECOGNITION, ALL THE RECOGNITION FOR ALL THE MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PLAN THE CALENDARS, LIKE THOSE THINGS, WHATEVER IT IS, SPECIFIC TRAINING, SPECIFIC OUTCOMES, SPECIFIC DELIVERABLES.
BECAUSE THE FOLKS WHO ARE ON THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING AND THEY'RE APART.
BUT THAT CAN ALL BE SET IN MARCH.
RIGHT? WE CAN SAY IN MARCH WE WANT YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN THESE HOLIDAYS DONE.
AND SO YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF MEMBERS MM-HMM.
AND THEN IF HOLIDAYS GET MISSED AND WE MS. BLACK HISTORY MONTH, THEN IT IS NOT ON THE BOARD ON, YOU KNOW, JAMES, HOW COME YOUR STAFF IS NOT WORKING ON US? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE GET HIT WITH ATION, THAT'S THE CITY DRIVE.
WE NEED THIS COUNCIL TO DRIVE THE POLICY.
IT'S NOT REALLY A POLICY'S IT'S A TASK.
BECAUSE IF, BECAUSE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, IF IF LIKE CITY STAFF DIDN'T HIT THE GOAL, RIGHT? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND BE LIKE, THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD'S NOT PRODUC IT, WE NEED NEW MEMBERS OR THIS BOARD SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A BOARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT GETTING DONE.
SO I I I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD ALL BE ON THE CITY MANAGER.
I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO HELP EVALUATE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
DO WE HAVE TOO MANY? DO WE HAVE TOO LITTLE MM-HMM
WE HAVE TWO WAY CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THEM.
THAT'S WHAT THEN MARCH WE SET THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEN WE HAVE TO CYCLE BACK, COME BACK TO EACH OF THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AFTER THAT WITH THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING AND GO, OKAY, NOW THIS IS YOUR CHARGE FOR THE YEAR.
BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD.
BUT I THINK IN THAT PLAN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED COUNCIL LIAISONS ANYMORE.
ONCE WE GET 'EM STARTED AND HAVE, BECAUSE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH COUNCIL LIAISONS, IT'S KIND OF OVERKILL.
AND SO, BUT ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE THAT, HAVE THOSE POLICIES SET UP FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND THEN IT CAN CONTINUE.
IF YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB HERE, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO BE EMBEDDED IN THE INDIVIDUAL BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS.
THE ONLY ONES THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WOULD BE EDC AND CAP COG LIAISON.
WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT LEAST ONE ON EDC AND THEN CAP COG.
WE DO NEED TO ADD REPRESENTATION, WHICH WE GIVE BACK.
I DON'T CONSIDER THAT ONE OF THE BOARDS OR COMMISSION.
BUT AS FAR AS DUTIES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF MEETING HERE ON THURSDAYS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GET THEM SET UP FOR SUCCESS.
NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL MARCH TO TACKLE ASSIGNING ITEMS OR WAIT TILL JANUARY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND THEN ASSIGN ITEMS? OR DO YOU WANT TO ASSIGN SOME ITEMS NOW LEADING UP TO A JANUARY FULL, YOU KNOW, FULL WEEKEND RETREAT TYPE THING FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER AND THEN FOR NEW STUFF TO BE SET IN MARCH, SAY YEAH, ASK THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE FOR EACH ONE.
NOW THIS IS THE STARTING POINT.
WE WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH EACH BOARD JANUARY, FEBRUARY TO GO OVER THAT TALK BACK AND FORTH, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK AND GIVE CHANGES ALSO.
AND ALSO TO THAT POINT, I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT OUT COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC THAT HEY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, RESETTING PRIORITIES.
EXPECTATIONS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE
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DNI? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE LIBRARY WORK THAT MAY HELP, MAY HELP TO GET MORE IN THE NEW PROCESS IN JANUARY.SO WHAT ARE THE BOARD WE'LL BE LOOKING AT? LIBRARY, DNI PARKS PARK.
YOU'VE HAD TO LOOK AT BUILDING STANDARDS, HISTORICAL.
THAT ONE DOESN'T, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T INCLUDE BUILDING STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY MORE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
SO WELL NAME FOR THE ZBA WHO WOULD GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, LIKE, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE NEED, WE NEED A STANDARD OF A WIDER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S, WE GOT ALL THESE OUS RATIOS IN THE CITY THAT, THAT WOULD BE YOUR ENGINEERING TEAM IF YOU WANT THAT TO BE REVIEWED.
WELL, UH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHO FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S OUT THERE WIDENING THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND I, MOST OF IT'S ILLEGAL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE RATIOS SET UP AND THEY'RE NOT PERMITTING IT.
AND SO I SEE ALL THAT AND I GO, SO WOULD A BILLING STANDARDS COMMISSION BE THE ONE THAT WOULD LIKE LOOK AT CHANGES? OR DOES THE ENGINEER JUST COME UP AND SAY, HEY, I THINK WE OUGHT TO, WELL WE'RE DOING THE FULL UDC REWRITE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THAT.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE COMMERCIAL DRIVES THAT ARE NOT PERMIT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DRIVES? RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A RULE THAT A DRIVEWAY CAN'T BE SO WIDE.
THERE'S JUST SO THERE ISN'T AN IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENT THAT THAT'S IT.
AND SO, BUT NO ONE'S CUTTING THEIR DRIVEWAY SMALLER.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU GOT MINIMUM DRIVEWAYS.
THAT'S WHAT MOST OF 'EM ARE DONE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT TRUE LIFE.
BUT THEN YOU SEE OTHER PEOPLE GO OUT AND THEY'RE ADDING ON.
WELL MOST OF 'EM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR COVERAGE RATIOS ARE, BUT I KNOW IT'S PRETTY TIGHT.
'CAUSE BUILDERS DON'T LEAVE A WHOLE LOT EXTRA.
AND SO IF YOU GO AND ADD ON TWO FEET ALL THE WAY UP, THEN THAT HOUSE NOW GET THROWN OUT.
AND WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS REGULARLY AND THEY'RE NOT PERMITTING IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH HOA APPROVALS FOR MOST OF THEM.
SO, AND THAT HAS THEIR OWN BOARDS THAT APPROVE THAT.
BUT, AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARD.
BUT THE CHANGING OF, OF A, OF A CODE TO MAKE IT ALLOWED TO DO WIDER DRIVEWAYS DOESN'T FIX THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE DOING THINGS UNPERMITTED.
THAT, THAT'S STILL JUST A PROBLEM.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WOULD, WOULD A BOARD, WE TALK ABOUT IDEAS, SO WHO'S GONNA, WHO, WHO OUT THERE IN THE CITY BRINGS THAT INFORMATION UP AND SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT I NOTICED THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.
THE, THE WAY WE HAVE HOMES SET UP, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.
ALL THE HOMEOWNERS ARE OUT THERE DOING THEIR OWN THING.
FIXING ONE OF OUR, 'CAUSE THE BUILDERS ARE BUILDING TO THE MINIMUM.
AND YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE CORRECTING THE MINIMUM REGULARLY.
WHETHER IT BE I USE DRIVEWAYS AS ONE 'CAUSE I SEE A LOT OF EXTENSIONS AND HOAS DON'T ALL CATCH IT BECAUSE NOT ALL OF US HAVE ROBUST HOAS.
UH, YOU JUST SEE SOME OF THAT IN, IN YOUR, AGAIN, AND YOU GO TO YOUR HIGH FUNCTIONING CITIES.
YOU GO TO PUT A SHUT UP IN YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU DIDN'T GET IT PERMITTED.
OH, WE'LL MAKE 'EM TEAR IT DOWN.
UH, THE CITY KNOWS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE USING, OR YOU CUT A TREE DOWN, THE CITY WILL GO AND AND FIND YOU BECAUSE YOU CUT YOUR TREE DOWN.
WE'RE NOT THAT SOPHISTICATED YET BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES A LEVEL OF STAFFING.
WE DON'T HAVE WELL THE FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THAT ARE PROBABLY USING DIGITAL TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO, TO MONITOR IT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY HAVE STAFF EYES RECOGNIZED THAT A TREE IN A BACKYARD GOT CUT DOWN.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WE GET YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE CITY TO WHERE EVEN SEE BUSINESSES, THEY PLANT ALL THE TREES, THEY TAKE 'EM OUT.
WELL FOR INSTANCE, DO WE WANNA DO X ESCAPING? WELL, WHO'S GONNA BRING THAT IDEA OUT? WHAT BOARD DOES THAT? WHERE DOES THAT IDEA GENERATE FROM? WELL, WHAT BOARDS ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR, FOR, FOR WE, I SAY WE, WE TASK THEM WITH COMING UP WITH ONE THING.
WHAT THEY WANNA DO, PRESERVATION, HISTORIC ETHICS, PARKS, ETHICS BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY CHARTER.
SO LIBRARY ONLY FINANCIAL ATTORNEY THING FOR US.
BUT THEY, WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT IT.
I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT THEY WANNA BRING TO US AND THEN COME MARCH OR WHATEVER, OR JANUARY, THEN WE CAN THROW THE BALL.
SO ARE WE IN AGREEANCE WITH THOSE FOUR BOARDS? CORRECT.
BUT WHICH FOR THE, FOR DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION LIBRARY.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION LIBRARY.
SEE, I WOULD ADD IN ETHICS MARKS HAS SET UP THE STATUTORY HOLD ON.
MARKS HAS STUFF IN IT STATUTORILY THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS.
BUT THE IDEA IS THINGS THAT, TO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THERE'S WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? SO THE ETHICS BOARD, WHAT DO YOU GUYS, THEY COULD MEET AND, AND BRAINSTORM LIKE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU THE COUNCIL CONSIDER AMENDING THE ETHICS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE OR I THINK THEY COULD DO THAT.
SO WHY? BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED BY, WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IS A STATE STATUTE.
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WE CAN ADD TO IT.I WAS ON THE ETHICS COMMISSION A ALONG WAY BACK, UM, WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A STATE STATUTE, THERE WAS A, UM, CHARTER ITEM AND THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE AND THEY DID NOT ALL AGREE.
STATE, STATE SUPERSEDES EVERYTHING.
BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR CHARTER OR AN ORDINANCE THAT, THAT WE KNOW THAT BLATANTLY DISAGREES WITH STATUTORY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ETHICS BOARD CAN LOOK AT, LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT, SO, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I AGREE WITH RANDALL THAT THERE'S ALREADY STATUTORY DEFINITIONS, BUT I THINK IF WE DO HAVE IT FOR THIS CHARTER BY THIS CHARGE, THINK YOU, DAN, IS THE, IS THAT THEY LOOK AT THAT ALIGNMENT.
UM, THAT, THAT'S GOT MAYBE A, A BIGGER THING FOR IN THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT COULD TAG ONTO CHARTER REVIEW, WHICH IS GOING, THAT WAS A BIG THING I SAW WHEN I WAS ON THERE AND NEVER MET.
BUT I WAS ON IT FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE AND THEY DIDN'T, I LOOKED AT ALL THREE OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND THE APPLICATIONS YEAH.
FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE IS SEPARATE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU, IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE WERE GETTING APPLICATIONS FOR ETHICS THAT WERE USING THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE ONE IN THE CHARTER.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME THREW 'EM OUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T USE THE RIGHT FORM.
IF WE GO THROUGH ONE BY ONE BEFORE THEN, THEN WE CAN MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? BUT WHAT'S THE ACTION ITEM? THOSE FOUR BOARD, THOSE FIVE BOARDS.
WELL, SOUNDS LIKE I'M PULLING TOGETHER A, A SATURDAY WORKSHOP WITH FIVE BOARDS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, BUT NOW THAT'S NOT WHAT I OCCURRED.
I WANT, WELL I THOUGHT WE SHOULD TELL THEM, TELL THEM NOW AND TELL THEM THIS IS WHERE YOUR CURRENT CHARGE IS, BUT WE WANT TO EVOLVE THIS AND WE WANNA MEET WITH YOU IN A COUPLE MONTHS IN JANUARY.
SO YOU HAVE TIME TO, TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES.
SIX WEEKS ARE GOING OVER THIS.
WE'RE NOT DOING THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'RE MEETING WITH EACH FOUR INDIVIDUALLY.
WE WOULD MEET WITH ALL OF THEM AND THEY COME IN AT A DIFFERENT TIME, NOT FOUR.
OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU COULD PUT THEM IN THE SAME ROOM SO THEY ALL HEAR THE SAME THING AND THEN HAVE THEM WORK AT TABLES AND THEN REPORT OUT TO TABLES.
I MEAN, YOU CAN DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO.
SO, SO THIS WILL TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR.
PUT THE WORD OUT AT CHRISTMAS.
AND I'M HOPING, LIKE, I'M HOPING YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT OUT THE COMMUNICATION THAT COULD LURE PEOPLE IN.
BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THIS WILL HELP THE, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE NEXT YEAR IN SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS APPLICATION.
IS THIS PERSON'S QUALIFICATIONS, BACKGROUND, WHATEVER, GONNA HELP YOUR PROGRAM, GONNA HELP THE GOALS THAT WE'VE, THAT ARE SET FOR FOR THIS.
AND ARE Y'ALL GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE SPRING TO REMOVE YOURSELVES AS LIAISONS OR IS THAT GOING TO START IMMEDIATELY SO THE STAFF KNOWS WHAT TO EXPECT? I WOULD SAY, WAIT, I WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING UNTIL WE LEAVE.
MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY HELPFUL IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO BE THERE TO LET THEM KNOW IT'S COMING.
THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE WANNA DO.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR INPUT.
I APPRECIATE YOU CONTRIBUTING.