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[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 14TH, 2023 TO ORDER START THE ROLL CALL COUNCIL.[3.1. Food Truck Discussion (Ashley Bailey)]
FOOD TRUCK DISCUSSION.ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA REALLY QUICK ON THE OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND WE HAVE, UM, WE ONLY HAVE TWO FOOD TRUCK BLOCKS AND THEN I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE OTHER ORDINANCES, UH, FOR ADJACENT CITIES.
AND THEN JUST SOME NEXT STEPS.
SO THE WAY THAT THE CODE DEFINES RIGHT NOW FOR MOBILE FOOD VENDOR IS A VENDOR WHO OPERATES OR SELLS FOOD FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION FROM A CART, TRAILER OR KITCHEN MOUNTED TO CHASSI WITH AN ENGINE OR PROPULSION OR THAT REMAINS CONNECTED TO A VEHICLE WITH AN ENGINE OF PROPULSION OR WHILE DISCONNECTED FROM AN ENGINE B******T.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THIS IS COMING UP AND IT WAS REQUESTED BECAUSE OF A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT EXTENDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, WE'LL GET INTO THAT PORTION.
SO REALLY QUICK, THIS IS JUST FROM THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE ALLOW THEM.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN A MAJORITY OF THE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, UM, THESE ARE ALLOWED, OR JUST FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED ESSENTIALLY BY, RIGHT? THEY DO CALL, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIRE AND GOING COUNTY, UM, HELP.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT IN A FIRE LANE, THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP REQUIRED PARKING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN A SETBACK.
UM, OR, AND THEY'RE STILL ON AN ALL IMPROVED SURFACE.
ONCE WE GET INTO THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS.
THIS IS JUST THE CONDITIONS OUTTA THE ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE AS MUCH FUN AS THAT SOUNDS LIKE.
BUT, UM, YOU'LL SEE ON THE FIRST PART IT DOES SAY NO MOBILE STREET VENDOR CAN BE IN OPERATION, DOING BUSINESS OR GOING FROM PLACE TO PLACE BEFORE 7:00 AM OR AFTER 8:00 PM.
UM, AND THEN IT JUST HAS THE CAVEAT FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS ON THE SECOND PORTION.
UM, IT JUST GETS INTO A FEW MORE THINGS AS FAR AS SIGNAGE, UM, NOT OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR TRAFFIC, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK FOR.
AND THERE ALSO IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO STAY WITH A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM HOSPITAL, COLLEGE OR ANY OTHER EDUCATION
UM, ONLY THING THAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE, UH, IT SAYS IN HERE, SORRY, THE THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT MINOR MODIFICATION, WHICH IS WHAT, HOW WE'VE BEEN OPERATING SO FAR.
UH, AND THEN HERE THERE WAS A SEPARATE SECTION THAT WAS GONNA BE CALLED OUT THAT JUST IF YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THERE WAS A CALL OUT AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN BECAUSE THERE WAS A CITY LOCK THAT WAS OVER BY THE GEN BUILDING.
UM, AND IT WAS, IF YOU WANNA BE WITHIN HERE, THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
IT DOESN'T APPLY TO SPECIAL EVENTS OR THE SMALL MARKET EVENTS THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING ON, BUT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEM, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO.
IF YOU ARE A FOOD TRUCK, UM, THE CODE REALLY DOESN'T DEFINE A FOOD TRUCK LOT.
WE WERE JUST DOING FOOD TRUCKS AND NOW WE HAVE TWO FOOD TRUCK BOTS THAT ARE COMING UP.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO THAT WE'VE HAD.
THIS IS THE MOST, UM, THESE ARE THE SNIPS OF THE MOST RECENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAD.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'RE GETTING AS FAR AS, UM, WHO'S GOING WHERE.
AND THIS COMES IN WITH EVERY FOOD TRUCK APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE THAT WANTS TO LOCATE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, I WILL SAY HU IS, OTHER THAN THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WE ARE THE MOST LAX ON FOOD TRUCKS IN THE AREA FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
UM, SO ONE BEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FOOD TRUCK LOT, WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE AS MINOR MODIFICATIONS JUST TO ASSIST AND TRY TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR.
BUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF ALL THE CITIES, UM, AND GRANTED WE LOOKED A LOT MORE THAN JUST GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCKER, BUT WE WANTED TO LIMIT THE DISCUSSION JUST TO WHAT'S, WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE KIND OF DOING THAT'S IN OUR AREA.
UM, THEY ALL HAVE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM OTHER RESTAURANTS VIA 50 FEET TO OVER A HUNDRED FEET.
UH, YOU ALSO HAVE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED WITH SCALED CONCEPTUAL PLANS AND ALSO SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS.
SO WHAT I SHOWED YOU IS WHAT WE ACCEPT FOR OUR MINOR MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE ACCEPTED AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED FOR TODAY IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UM, RESTROOMS ARE USUALLY CONSTRUCTED ON SITE OR REQUIRED ON SITE FOR FOOD TRUCK LOTS.
UM, I HAVE SEEN A FEW FOR THAT, HAVE PROOF OF A LEASE FROM AN ADJACENT BUILDING TO USE THEIR RESTROOMS. UM, AND THEY ALSO ALLOW THE MOBILE, UM, UNITS FOR RESTROOMS, BUT NOT INDIVIDUAL PORTA POTTIES.
ALSO THE LOT MANAGER AND THEIR CONTRACT INFORMATION
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IS DISPLAYED ON SITE AT IN OTHER CITY ORDINANCES.AND THEN ALSO OTHER CITIES ARE ALSO REQUIRING APPROVED AMENITIES.
THOSE SHADE STRUCTURES, TABLES, CHAIRS, THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY WITH THEIR SITE PLAN AND THEIR, AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT'S A BIGGER ONE IS THAT INDIVIDUAL TRUCK HOOKUPS, UM, ARE REQUIRED IN OTHER CITIES FOR WATER WASTEWATER AND ELECTRIC.
AND THEY ARE ALSO IMPROVING PARKING OR SHOWING THAT THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING IN THE AREA TO SUFFICE FOR THE USES THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN.
AT THIS POINT, WE DO NOT REQUIRE, UM, PARKING FOR THE FOOD TRUCK BOX AND THEN IN A MAJORITY OF THOSE ORDINANCES, THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRING A YEARLY REVIEW OF THE OPERATION.
UM, AND THAT WOULD COME BACK TO STAFF AND POTENTIALLY P AND Z AND COUNCIL FOR, UM, JUST FOR REVIEW OF THE FOOD TRUCK, HOW'S IT BEEN GOING? HAVE THEY BEEN MAINTAINING, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND IS EVERYTHING STILL UP TO CODE? SO WITH THAT, I WILL PASS THAT OVER.
I JUST HAVE THE LAST ONE, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO FURTHER, WHAT WOULD YOUR PREFERRED TIMELINE BE? THANKS, ASHLEY.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LED TO MORE BROAD DISCUSSION.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D ASKED STADY ABOUT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO, UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENT THAT FOOD TRUCK OPERATES WITHIN THE CITY, THAT THEY LIST THEIR BUSINESS ADDRESSES, THE CITY OF HUDDLE SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THAT SALES TAX.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DONE IN OTHER CITIES OR KIND OF HOW THEY MAINTAIN THAT, BUT UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US, UH, PERSONALLY, IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW HOO TRIPP TO OPERATE HERE, AT LEAST PERMANENTLY.
LIKE A LOT OF THEM ARE, UH, THAT UH, THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY BY, BY PAYING THE SALES TAX TO THE CITY.
I THINK THE WAY IT IS, THE POINT OF SALE, IF THEY'RE SELLING SOMETHING IN THE CITY, THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO CHARGE THE STATUS TAX
SO EVEN IF THEIR BUSINESS ADDRESSES IS LISTED IN AUSTIN, IF THEY SELL IT WITHIN HU AND IS THERE A WAY FOR US, I MEAN HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT THERE? SO, UM, AUDIT THAT YOU CAN REQUEST.
OKAY, SO THEN THAT, THAT COULD BE PART OF IT.
REVIEW, WE AUDIT TO SEE THAT, THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.
THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING THE SALES TAX AND OR, AND SOMEBODY COMES BY AND CHECKS TO SEE THAT THEIR SALES TAX, UH, PAPERWORK IS DISPLAYED.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING SUBSIDIES REQUIRE.
UH, 'CAUSE I HATE AXS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYBODY.
AND WITHOUT CALLING OUT NAMES, THERE'S BEEN FOOD TRUCKS THAT I'VE BEEN TO AND RECEIPTS SO FROM A DIFFERENT CITY.
AND SO IT MAKES ME WONDER IF YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THE NAME THAT YOU'RE AT, HOW DO I KNOW YOU'RE PAYING HERE? AND ONE OF THE IDEAS I HAD WAS EACH QUARTER THEY HAVE TO TURN IN THEIR SALES TAX TO THE STATE AND SO TO JUST TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND JUST SEND IT TO THE CITY AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE CITY, THEN THEY'RE NOT PREPARING ANYTHING EXTRA, THEN THE CITY CAN THEN USE THAT INFORMATION AND GO, THAT'S INTERESTING.
UH, THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PARKED HERE THE ENTIRE LAST QUARTER, BUT THEY CLAIM THEY'VE ONLY SOLD HAD, YOU KNOW, 1000 IN SALES.
BUT WE SEE LINES OUT THERE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT AND IT'LL SHOW WHERE THEY ARE PAYING SALES TAXES TO BECAUSE IT IS A PAIN TO PAY SALES TAX IF YOU'RE IN THE CITY BELOW, JUST DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR.
BUT IF YOU'RE MOVING AROUND AND YOU COME IN HERE FOR THREE DAYS AND YOU GO TO THIS CITY FOR TWO DAYS, I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE IS LITERALLY METICULOUSLY TRACKING ALL OF THAT AND TURNING ALL THAT IN, I GUESS IS THEY'RE TURNING IT INTO WHERE THEIR HOME BASE IS.
AND IF THEY EVER GET CAUGHT, THEY GO, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW.
UM, BUT I DID COLLECT SALES TAX AND THEN IT'S A BIG MESS.
BUT I, I JUST FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WHO IS HERE FOR A WEEKEND IS ACTUALLY DOING ALL THE PAPERWORK, UM, THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
UM, SEE I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY, BUT I WAS, I WAS TALKING TO ANNE ABOUT THAT, THAT IF YOU DO IT QUARTERLY AT LEAST IT'S NO EXTRA PAPERWORK ON THE PEOPLE.
THEN WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THAT AND WE CAN CHOOSE TO FOLLOW UP AND, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO DO EXTRA WORK 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE DEALING WITH THE EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT I'LL THROW SOME THINGS OUT THERE AND THAT'LL GET, THAT ALWAYS GETS EVERYBODY TALKING.
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF FOOD TRUCK OR HOW DID YOU SAY WE DO DEFINE OR WE
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DON'T DEFINE.SO WE CALL 'EM MOBILE FOOD VENDORS AND A LOT OF CITIES CALL THEM EITHER, MOST OF THE TIME WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS MOBILE FOOD OR MOBILE FOOD PARKS OR MF.
SO WHAT DO WE, WHO DE IS THAT LIKE A STATE DEFINED TERM OR WHO DETERMINES WHAT A LEVEL TWO VENDOR IS? UM, IT IS JUST WITHIN YOUR OWN CODE.
SO IT'S, UM, THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE ACTUALLY FLAGGED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE UDC REWRITE OF, HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS OKAY.
BECAUSE I THINK PART OF, I KNOW FROM THE STAFF SIDE IS WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS THAT COME IN FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS HAVE TO BE CITY EVENTS OR AT LEAST BE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE THOSE PERMITS FOR THAT EVENT AND THEN WE ALLOW THEM IF IT'S GONNA BE ON THE HOA AND IT'S NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN, BUT WHEN IT GETS IN THE DOWNTOWN LOTS, THEY GETS REALLY, UM, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT BUSIER ON THOSE JUST BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MORE INFORMATION WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE.
ESPECIALLY WITH FOOD TRUCK LOTS, YOU NEED, UM, IS EVERYBODY GONNA HAVE A GENERATOR THAT GETS LOUD? IT'S NOISY, IT'S NOT CLEAN.
SHOULD WE REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO HAVE THEIR OWN PLUGS? THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE REASON I ASK ON THAT IS PERSONALLY I'M ALL ABOUT HELPING SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT AS I WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF SMALL BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE THE SMALL BUSINESSES WHO ARE, THEY'RE PAYING RENT, EITHER LEASING SPACE ON A LOT A BUILDING, THEY'RE PAYING SELL TAX, THEY'RE PAYING PROPERTY TAX.
YOU HAVE THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE MIKE'S COOKIE COMPANY WHO I MAKE SOME COOKIES AND MY KITCHEN ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY, THERE'S A GET TOGETHER SATURDAY SOME EVENT.
I COME OUT, I SELL A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN COOKIES AND I GO HOME.
I WANT TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE CITY.
THEY'RE SUPPORTING YOUR SALARIES THAT VOTED ME IN AND ALL THAT.
I I WANNA FIND A WAY TO HELP THE OTHER PEOPLE.
BUT IF, IF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, LIKE SAY SOME GUY'S MAKING TACOS FOR A SATURDAY AFTERNOON THAT HE'S COMPETING WITH ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES WE HAVE.
I, I LIKE TO FIND A WAY AND IT HURT ME TO SAY THIS REG, FIND A WAY TO REGULATE.
I KNOW AND IT'S SOME KIND OF FEE TO WHERE IT'S NOT, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ON THE CITY, BUT SOMEWHERE THESE NEED TO BE REGULATED.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN IN A FARMER'S MARKET AND THERE'S A GUY CLAIMING HE DRIVES DOWN FROM ALASKA WITH FRESH SALMON AND HE IS GOT ALASKA PLATES ON HIS CAR.
AND I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE LOADED UP A TRUCKLOAD OF SALMON, SKIPPED ALL THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS, WOUND UP IN HU AND HE'S DOING US A FAVOR.
AND I'M GOING, IS IT SALMON? HE SELLING? IS IT BEING TAXED THAT ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I'M LIKE, WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY DO EXPECT SOME LEVEL OF REGULATION.
THINK THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THOUGH.
THAT'S LIKE THE COTTAGE FOOD AND LIKE BUSINESS, RIGHT? WHERE YOU MAKE IT IN YOUR HOME AND YOU GO OUT AND SELL IT.
THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN FOOD TRUCKS BY YEAH, WITHIN, YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR REV LIKE YOUR, YOUR SALES, NOT YOUR REVENUE BUT LIKE YOUR SALES WITHIN A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHO'S, BUT WHO'S TRACKING THAT BECAUSE WE JUST LET ANYBODY COME IN AND SELL AT A FARMER'S MARKET ANYTHING AND THEY'RE SELLING OR WE HAD THE SANTA CLAUS CRAWL AND I WAS TALKING TO ENRIQUE ABOUT THIS AND THERE'S PEOPLE SELLING COOKIES AND STUFF THERE.
BUT WE HAVE ACTUAL BUSINESSES WHO SELL COOKIES AS A LIVING AND PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE LICENSED AND THEY JUST COME IN, THEY SELL FOR A DAY AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
I DON'T KNOW REPORTING ANY OF THAT.
AND WHAT THIS LEADS ME TO IS ALSO, AND IT GOES INTO THE FARMER'S MARKET THING, TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A CIVIL WAR IN DOWNTOWN BETWEEN THE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES AND THE PEOPLE NOT PAYING TAXES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES.
LIKE I WAS THERE WEDNESDAY WE MET, I WAS MEETING, UH, MET WITHIN THEN CAME FROM FIVE TO SIX.
VIRTUALLY EVERY PARKING SPOT'S FILLED UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE DEAD.
IT COULD BE LACK OF BUSINESS PLANS, IT COULD BE LIKE A PARKING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHAT I HEAR FROM ALL THE BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE IS THAT WHEN THESE EVENTS ARE DOWNTOWN, WHEN THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THEY'RE HAVING FOOD TRUCKS, IT'S HURTING THEIR SALES.
AND WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THEY SAY LESS PARKING EQUALS LESS SALES.
THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, BATHROOMS FOR THE FARMER'S MARKETS.
SO PEOPLE NOT NAMING BUSINESSES, THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK, I'M TRYING TO RUN A BUSINESS AND PEOPLE ARE COMING IN.
THEY USE MY RESTROOMS, THEY USE MY FACILITIES AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
AND SO I DON'T MIND PEOPLE USING 'EM, BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE GOTTA KEEP HAVING EVENTS, THEN THEY NEED TO START PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES.
'CAUSE I'M STRUGGLING OVER HERE TO MAKE MY ENDS MEET AND WE NEED A BETTER PLAN.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I THINK THINGS, AND I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PROCESS TO, WE HAD A FOOD TRUCK MOVE AND THE
I THINK IT OUGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PNZ WOULD DO.
THEY'RE EITHER GONNA SAY YES OR NO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD SAY YES OR NO, BUT I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE LEFT WITH
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STAFF.AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S QUICKER BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE WAITING AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO MOVE AND THEY HAVE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS AND THEN THE MEETING GETS CANCELED OR WHATEVER AND THEY GOTTA WAIT TWO MORE WEEKS, UM, YOU'RE MAKING THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO IT RIGHT, WAIT.
BUT THEN THE WAY OUR ORDINANCES ARE SET UP, I COULD JUST DRIVE A TRUCK IN, PARK IT ON THE STREET AND I GOT THREE DAYS OR SOMETHING TO JUST SELL FOOD AND THEN I PICK UP AND LEAVE.
AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO LIKE ESTABLISH ROUTE, THEY GO THROUGH AND PROCESS AND TO FLY BY NIGHT, PEOPLE DON'T.
AND SO TO ME, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO JUST MY OPINION, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO HANDLE IT ALL.
UM, I DO LIKE THAT THING ABOUT THE DISTANCE FROM OTHER RESTAURANTS BECAUSE IF I'M SELLING HAMBURGERS, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO JUST PULL UP, THEY HAVE NO OVERHEAD.
AND NOW THEY'RE SELLING HAMBURGERS AND COMPETING WITH ME AND I'M TRYING TO PAY.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.
SO ULTIMATELY IN TALKING TO PEOPLE, WHAT, WHAT I'M HOPING US TO LOOK AT IS TO HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA BE HERE TO BE HERE, HAVE A SMALL LICENSING FEE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA COME US HAVE MINOR REGULATIONS TO WHERE WE AT LEAST KNOW WHO'S HERE WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE.
AND YOU ALL KNOW SALES TAX SO THAT THE CITY CAN GO AND CHECK ON 'EM AND THEN US FIGURE OUT THE RESTROOM AND HOW WE DEFINE FOOD OPERATIONS.
TO WHERE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE FARMER'S MARKET, HOW MANY OF THEM ARE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS AND HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE JUST LIKE, I DON'T THINK THE GUY'S SELLING TEA AS A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR, BUT IF WE HAD A TEA TO GO SHOP, IF A RESIDENT SAID, I'M OPENING UP A TEA PLACE, PART OF ME IT'S LIKE, WELL IF THEY'RE PAYING TAXES AND THEY'RE HIRING EMPLOYEES AND THEY'RE CREATING BUSINESS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS OTHER GUY IS NOW A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE ALL THAT, BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS I THINK I HAVE, I TALKED TO, I THINK THAT'S FOR THE MOST PART THAT I HIT IT ALL.
I THINK WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED ABOUT THE TIME WITH THE POINT IT STARTED THIS KICK OFF.
I AGREE WITH ALL THINGS YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS ON THE DEFINITION OF WHOLE FOOD VENDOR THAT COULD USE CLEANUP.
UM, AN ENGINE AND A MOTOR ARE TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRIC BIKE PULLING APART, THAT'S NOT AN ENGINE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY ENGINE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA SAY, WELL THAT'S NOT AN ENGINE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE, UM, UNDER THE, UNDER THE, UH, COORDINATES.
AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE BICYCLE POWERED CARTS FOR SMALL ONES.
LIKE YOU SEE IN, USUALLY IT'S EVEN IN BIGGER CITIES, BUT THERE'S NO REASON SOMEBODY OUT HERE COULD PUT ONE IN THEIR GARAGE OKAY.
AND AND BIKE IT OUT AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE COVERED IN THIS.
'CAUSE THEY NEVER HOOK AN ENGINE UP TO IT.
SO, WELL 'CAUSE DON'T TO SAY IT'S FOR CONSUMPTION FROM A CART.
A CART, YEAH, WE WERE SAY, BUT IT SAYS WITH AN ENGINE OR PROPULSION.
SO IF IF IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PROPULSION, IT SAYS, OR WHILE DISCONNECTED FROM AN ENGINE FOR PROPULSION.
SO IT COULD BE DISCONNECTED, BUT IT WOULD BE, IF IT'S NEVER GONNA BE CONNECTED, THEN EVERYTHING BUT UNDERSTAND STILL COVERS IT.
IN THAT INSTANCE THOUGH, I, THE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE CLEANED UP.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY FOR SOMEBODY TO TRY TO DISMAN GET OUT IT.
THEY JUST REALLY LIKE THE WORLD PROP PRECAUTION.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW THERE'S THREE POINTS, RIGHT? IT SAYS A CART TRAILER OR KITCHEN MOUNT OF CHASSIS PERIOD.
AND WHAT IS, THERE'S THREE WITH AN ENGINE PROPULSION REMAINS CONNECTED TO A VEHICLE WITH ENGINE PROPULSION OR DISCONNECTED FROM AN ENGINE PER PROPULSION.
SO IT'S GOTTA HAVE WHEELS ON IT.
SO A CARD EVEN ON A BIKE IS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE WHEELS.
SO IT, IT'S STILL, I THINK IT STILL FALLS UNDER THE, THE WAY IT'S DEFINED.
HOW ABOUT A VENDOR WHO OPERATES OR SELLS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CONSUMED BY A HUMAN? WELL IF YOU GET INTO THE COTTAGE, COTTAGE FOOD LAW, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S YEAH.
SO, AND THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY OPENING UP, I MEAN OTHER THINGS GOT LEGALIZED IMMEDIATELY.
YOU'RE ALLOWING FLOWERED LEADS THINGS FROM EVERYWHERE.
WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT COTTAGE FOOD INDUSTRY LAWS ARE, BUT AGAIN, IF THEY'RE, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK, UM, AS A STAFF IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO.
BUT WE CAN SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE IS ALSO DEFINING THAT PORTION.
I KNOW I SAW A FEW CITIES THAT WE'RE DEFINING COTTAGE FOODS, UM, BUT WE CAN COME BACK WITH A FEW THINGS.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF THIS AND EVEN IF IT JUST MAKES IT MORE CLEAR.
BUT I MEAN IF YOU'RE JUST GLANCING AT IT, Y'ALL ARE IN THIS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIME AND IF WE CAN MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE, THEN CERTAINLY WE CAN, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE DISTANCES AS YOU SAID.
UM, AND JUST BRING BACK SOME OPTIONS.
THE, UM, COTTAGE FOOD THAT, WELL THE ONE THE VENDOR SET DO FOOD IN THEIR HOMES.
THEY ONLY COME OUT DURING EVENTS THOUGH IN THE FOOD MARKET, RIGHT? OR ARE THERE, IS THERE SOMEONE, LIKE AM I MISSING SOMEONE TRYING TO SIT DOWN AND SET UP A TABLE EVERY DAY? AM I MISSING THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, HONESTLY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, I MEAN I OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW A COUPLE TRUCKS ARE HERE REGULARLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ONES THAT ARE HERE FOR FRIDAY NIGHTS
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ONLY THAT ARE HERE.BUT I WOULD SAY IF THE CITY SPENDS, HERE'S HOW I EXPLAIN TO A BUSINESS OWNER HOW I FEEL LIKE IT IS.
SO I WAS TALKING TO JULIO, I SAID, IT'S LIKE I WALK INTO JULIO AND I SAY, I NEED 20 BUCKS FROM YOU BECAUSE I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR TAX MONEY AND I'M GONNA GO PUT THAT DOWN HERE AND I'M GONNA LET PEOPLE COME IN AND SELL HISPANIC MEXICAN FOOD TO COMPETE WITH YOU AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY ANY SALES TAX, BUT THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE HERE FOR THIS ONE EVENT THAT THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE.
UM, BASICALLY TAKING HIS TAX DOLLARS AND SUBSIDIZING SOMEBODY ELSE.
BUT IF THEY HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO BE HERE FOR THAT EVENT, THEN THEY MAY NOT DO IT.
OR I COULD TELL A BUSINESS OWNER THAT HEY, THEY'RE PAYING.
I MEAN THEY MAYBE DON'T PAY AS MUCH AS YOU DO, BUT THEY'RE HERE FOR ONE DAY.
THEY PAID A FEE, BUT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN THEY DON'T PAY FEES.
UM, SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE OUTSIDE OF, DEPENDS ON UM, LIKE THE, JUST THE LIKE OLD TIME DAYS AND THE FESTIVALS.
ARE WE LOOKING AT AN ORDINANCE FOR OUTSIDE OF THAT TIME? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? OR AN OUTSIDE OF THE, THE FOOD MARKET, BECAUSE WHO CONTROLS THE WEDNESDAY? THAT'S NOT US.
SO WEDNESDAY'S PRIVATE FRIDAY'S PRIVATE SUNDAYS, SUNDAY'S PRIVATE AND WE GET MONEY FROM THEM OR NO? MM-HMM.
BUT WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING SOME KIND OF SALES TAX, RIGHT? OKAY.
THEY SHOULD BE COLLECTING SALES TAX AT THE POINT OF SALE.
SO WE'RE NOT, SO WE'RE NOT MONITORING, WE'RE NOT CHARGING THE BOOTHS OR ANYTHING TO SET UP.
I MEAN WE, WE HELD, UH, THE SANTA CLAUS CRAWL AND THERE'S PEOPLE SELLING COOKIES AND I'M LIKE, THERE'S A COOKIE GUY DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? FOR THE RECORD, HE WAS SOLD OUT.
EXCEPT FOR THE RECORD, THE GUY WAS SOLD OUT.
GIRL SHOULD GOT THERE EARLIER ON
YEAH, I DID FIND A COUPLE THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.
SO THERE'S ONE MARK THAT SAYS A PERSON SHALL NOT STOP THE VEHICLE FOR PURPOSES OF VENDING WITHIN 100 FEET OF A STREET INTERSECTION.
I THINK THAT FROM THE TRAFFIC CODE.
WELL, BUT OUR TWO FOOD COURTS ARE RIGHT ON INTERSECTION, BUT THEY'RE OFF, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING OFF THE ROAD.
SO IT WOULD BE LIKE EDGE DRIVING.
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO PULL UP TO A STOP SIGN AND STOP AND SELL ICE.
THEY'RE LIKE ON THE SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW, LITERALLY FOR ME.
AND WHEN I SEE YOU CAN'T DO IT, END THE A HUNDRED FEET OF THE STREET INTERSECTION AND I'M STANDING THERE GOING, THERE'S A STOP SIGN LITERALLY RIGHT THERE.
WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU GOT RESTAURANTS LIKE BRICK AND MORTAR STORES ARE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET AT THE INTERSECTION.
I MEAN THOSE FOOD TRUCKS ARE PERMANENT.
WE GOT PICNIC BENCHES IN FRONT OF THE LIGHTS AND RIGHT.
WE COULD BE MORE CLEAR THOUGH, BUT I'D ALMOST TAKE THAT OUT BECAUSE WHEN WE DO HAVE EVENTS, WE'RE PARKING FOOD TRUCKS ON FARLEY RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO I'M LIKE, FOR ME, I TAKE, I WOULD JUST PERSONALLY TAKE THAT COMPLETELY OUT AND PUT THAT ON STAFF.
YOUR GUYS' JOB IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE SAFELY AND APPROPRIATELY AND IT FOLLOWS THE LAWS.
AND SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES UP AND SAYS, HEY, I GOT AN IDEA.
TO ME, YOU ALL OUGHT TO BE THE ONES TO GO, CAN'T LET YOU DO HERE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE SENTENCES ABOUT A, A TRUCK THAT'S ON THE STREET, NOT OFF THE STREET THAT'S TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S DRIVING AROUND.
SO IT, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
INSTEAD OF REMOVING IT, SHE'S SELLING THE ICE CREAM TO SAY THIS IS CREAM.
THAT SENTENCE REVERSED TO SOMEBODY DRIVING AROUND.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID THAT SHE'S GONNA RE SHE'S GONNA CLARIFY IT.
TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE HOURS, IT'S SEVEN TO EIGHT, WHICH I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
AND TO ME, OLD TOWN, YOU HAVE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN THERE.
UM, THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHERE WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE GOING ARE ALL, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A BUSINESS AREA AND THE GOAL IS, IS TO MAKE IT MORE THRIVING.
BUT WHEN THE CITY SHUTS DOWN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IT'S TOUGH TO THEN SAY, WELL HEY, OPEN UP A BUSINESS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS NEED TO WORK ON TO WHERE I WANT, I'M TRYING TO PUSH AS MUCH ON YOU ALL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ARBITRARY RULES.
UM, IF SOMEONE WANTS OPEN ONE UP IN EMORY FARMS TILL MIDNIGHT OR SOMETHING, I CAN SEE YOU GUYS GOING, THAT'S A BAD IDEA.
BUT WE WOULD SAY, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST IT, BUT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY CONTROL IT WITH THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
SO HOWEVER YOU GOTTA CHANGE THAT.
UM, TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN'T TELL SOMEONE RIGHT NOW TO NOT CHART IN FRONT OF, UM, RIO GRANDE AND SELL BREAKFAST TACOS IN COMPETITION WITH RIO GRANDE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL.
UM, EXCEPT AREN'T THEY PARKED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? THAT'S A THEY ARE AND WE TELL THEM YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET PERMISSION, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T TRACK IF THEY'RE GETTING PERMISSION, THEY COULD PULL UP PARK IN FRONT OF THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL AND TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE THERE AND THEN WE DON'T TRACK THAT BECAUSE
I NEED SOME CHRISTMAS MONEY AND SEE BUSINESSES WHEN THEY, A LOT OF THEM, WHEN THEY DO THE RENT, THEY PAY FOR EXCLUSIVES IN THEIR CENTER.
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ONE, IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR TO SELL OR ATTEMPT TO SELL FOOD BY MEANS OF AN OUTCRY, SOUND SPEAKER AMPLIFIER OR ANY INSTRUMENT OR DEVICE, WHICH CAN BE HEARD FROM A DISTANCE GRAND 300 FEET.WE DO HAVE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE JUST PARK A SPEAKER ON FARLEY AND THEN PLAYING MUSIC.
SHE ALMOST HAD AN ISSUE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE PAID FOR OUTDOOR MUSIC AND HAD A BAND THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER PERSON CRANKING IT UP AND SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES FOR SOUND ARE, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO, I ASSUME YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OVER THERE.
SO I'M THINKING THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME KIND OF MUSIC THING.
'CAUSE AS DOWNTOWN GROSS, WE CAN HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT PLACES PLAYING MUSIC.
SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE JUST PROMOTING THEIR BUSINESS.
SO ARE WE GONNA MONITOR MUSIC NOW IN DOWNTOWN? WELL I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO FROM DECIBEL LEVEL OR WHO FALL RIGHT NOW BE TRY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I THINK IT FALL BACK TO THE NOISE WE'RE WE HAVE A DOCTOR RIGHT NOW.
SO DOES THAT ALREADY CHECK WHEN THEY HAVE THE ICE CREAM PERSON AND THEIR DECALS WAY EXCEED THE WE DO GET COMPLAINTS ON THEM.
WHAT'S THAT ONE THAT SAYS LIKE, UH, THAT'S A WEIRD THERE UNTIL 'EM TURN IT DOWN.
IT'S A WEIRD, IT'S A WEIRD ICE CREAM TRUCK SOUND.
OH MAN, IT'S, I'M STARTING TO HEAR IT RIGHT NOW.
OH, 2023 IS NOT A THING ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW WHAT LOCK GETS ON HERE? HE IS AT, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED PLANNING ZONING TO DO THINGS BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT PUTS A DELAY.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE CAN TAKE OUT THE PART THAT THE SECTION DOESN'T APPLY TO SPECIAL EVENTS AND SMALL MARKET EVENTS.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT A LOT OF THE BUSINESS PEOPLE SAID, THEY WANNA SEE THE FARMER'S MARKETS GO TO THE GYM, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
THEY SEE THE FARMER'S MARKETS.
I'VE TALKED TO ALMOST EVERY BRICK AND MORTAR ON E STREET THAT SELLS ANYTHING.
AND I DON'T THINK A SINGLE ONE OF 'EM LIKES THE FARMER'S MARKET.
THEY DID SAY THEY DON'T MIND IF IT'S LIKE ONCE A MONTH, BUT IT'S GETTING TO WHERE IT'S EVERY WEDNESDAY.
IT'S EVERY FRIDAY AND IT'S GROWING.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, AND WE'VE TALKED TO, I'VE TALKED TO THE CHAMBER BEFORE ABOUT SOME OF THE EVENTS AND THE CHAMBERS MAKING CHANGES TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT USING THE POWER AND WATER AND TRYING TO, UH, TAKE THE EFFECT AWAY.
SO PRIOR TO THE RENOVATIONS IN THE CO-OP, THEY WERE ALL DONE AT THE GYM.
SO IT'S JUST BRINGING IT BACK TO WHERE IT ORIGINATED.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.
WE STILL HAVE ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION.
SO THAT SHOULD BE AN EASY SWITCH WITH NO, THE, THE ONE THING THAT'S OF A VALUE OF HAVING A FARMER'S MARKET DOWNTOWN IS THE PART THAT IS DIFFICULT TO TRACK.
AND THAT IS GETTING PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND REMINDING THEM THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN ARE DOWNTOWN TO SHOP THAT OTHERWISE, BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN THERE SPECIFICALLY TO BUY OR YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN THERE SPECIFICALLY TO SHOP.
SO IT'S A GOOD WAY TO INTRODUCE NEW PEOPLE TO THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN THERE.
IT'S HARD TO TRACK THAT, LIKE THE VALUE OF THAT PER SE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH NOTING FOR THE BUSINESSES TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE GEN BUILDING MAKES THE MOST LOGISTICS SENSE AS FAR AS HOSTING REGULAR FARMER'S MARKET.
SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE FARMER'S MARKET.
IT'S NOT MOVING, IT'S NOT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WEDNESDAY AND SUNDAY OR WHATEVER THE DATES ARE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO AND IT'S PROTECTED FROM THE WEATHER AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN AFFECT THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.
BUT THE DOWNSIDE IS, IS THAT THEN THERE YOU'RE LOSING THAT THING THAT IS DRAWING PEOPLE DOWN INTO THAT AREA MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME AND BEING LIKE, OH LOOK, THERE'S A PIE PLACE.
OR THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE COOL PLACE TO GO HAVE A BEER ENLIST TO SOME MUSIC.
OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE NEVER KNOWN THAT.
I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE NICE TO KEEP IT IN ONE CENTRAL LOCATION SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE IT'S AT, AT THIS BUILDING.
AND THEN JUST THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT,
I THINK IT WOULD PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE SOME WALKABILITY.
HEY, LET'S WALK DOWN TO THOSE BUSINESSES, SEE WHAT'S DOWN THERE.
I PERSONALLY GO INTO THE, TO THE FARMER'S MARKETS WITH MY FAMILY.
I HATE THAT EVERYTHING'S RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S TOO CROWD CROWDING.
IT'S SO CROWDED, THERE'S NO PARKING.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MOVE, THEY NEED TO MOVE THEIR CAR, THEIR VEHICLE, WHATEVER.
I THINK HAVING IT AT A CENTRAL LOCATION, YOU ALWAYS KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
WHETHER IT'S WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, BOTH DAYS, WHATEVER.
THEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY PROMOTING A HEALTHIER HUDDLE, UM, BY GRABBING WHATEVER, SPREADING IT OUT.
UM, I, I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING JAMES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO, YOU'RE NOT TRACKING WALKABILITY RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVE EVERYTHING DOWNTOWN.
AND SO IF YOU SPREAD IT OUT, I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS OUT WITH, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHERE
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DO WE NEED TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE? WHERE CAN WE AFFORD TO PUT ANOTHER BUSINESS? UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT ALL CONGESTED.PEOPLE SEE US TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS OF CLIENTELE.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT ARE ALWAYS DOWNTOWN FOR DOWNTOWN BUT NEVER GO TO THE MARKET.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO GO STRAIGHT TO THE MARKET AND DON'T VISIT THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS OUT.
WHAT ABOUT THAT THIRD GROUP
CITY EVENTS LIKE THE SANTA CROSS CALL, THE HUDDLE TIME DAYS.
THOSE STAY DOWNTOWN TO REMIND PEOPLE, OUR NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING INTO THE CITY.
YOU MOVE IT TO THE GYM AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION HAS A BOOTH AT THE FARMER'S MARKET THAT'S, THAT PROMOTES ALL OF THE BUSINESS.
HEY, JUST TWO BLOCKS THIS WAY.
YOU'VE GOT A COOKIE SHOP OR TWO AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER SHOPS AND YOU'RE PROMOTING THAT AND YOU'RE KIND OF DRIVING PEOPLE THERE.
WE HAVE, IF WE DON'T UPDATE OUR NOISE ORDINANCES, I MEAN EVAN COULD JUST PLAY MUSIC AND
IF ANY POLICE OFFICER SAYS THEY DON'T GET BOUGHT WITH COOKIES, THEY LOT.
SO
I TALKED TO JUDY HALL OF FAME.
I TALKED TO WARREN AT THE TEXAN HURTS ME, GET HIM OUTTA HERE.
UM, I TALKED TO MISTY, HURTS ME.
I'M NOT SAYING DATA WELL, BUT I'M SAYING NOT FOR ME AS A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.
IF THE BUSINESSES SAY GET RID OF IT, IT'S HURTING MY BUSINESS.
I FEEL LIKE MY JOB IS TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN, BUT WITH, WITHOUT THE DATA.
IS THERE WAY IT DOESN'T DECIDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I'VE GOTTA SAY BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HURTING THEM.
RIGHT? WELL I WOULD THINK THEY SAID, I I'M SURE I'M SURE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING IF, IF THEY'RE LIKE, MAN UNTIL THESE BARN MARKETS RAMPED UP.
I ALWAYS HAD LIKE RIGHT, WE NEED CUSTOMERS AND NOW I HAVE FIVE YEAH.
BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE IT TO US.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE WRONG, THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING TO BE SAID WITH HOW YOU READ YOUR CLIENTELE.
YOU CAN'T, I THINK IT'S MORE SUBJECTIVE THAN ANYTHING TO SAY, HEY, THE DATA IS TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME AND SHOP HERE OR THEY'RE NOT SHOPPING HERE.
I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A BEAT ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR PRODUCT, HOW IT'S BEING RECEIVED, HOW IT'S NOT BEING RECEIVED, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATE YOU, YOU EVOLVE FROM THAT.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT DATA, BUT I AM SAYING I THINK YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE HUMAN ASPECT WHENEVER YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE DATA AND THE DATA WILL TELL US WHAT, LOOK AT DATA, YOU IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND YOU ONLY SAYING THERE IS DATA OUT THERE AND THAT, BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE DATA BECAUSE THAT'S A BUSINESS IS HOW THEY TRACK THEIR NUMBERS.
AND SO THEY CAN SAY FROM THE PAST THREE YEARS FROM THE CRAWFISH BOIL, LIKE WHAT THAT KIND OF BUSINESS LOOKED LIKE FOR YEAR AFTER YEAR.
BUT THAT'S ALL THEIR BUSINESS LIKE, I MEAN YEAH, IT GETS REPORTED EVENTUALLY, BUT THEY CAN, THEY CAN COMPARE THAT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF THE BUSINESS IS GOING DOWN AS A CRAWFISH BOY OR IF THE WEATHER WAS CRAPPY LIKE IT WAS LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, JIM, MY QUESTION, YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
WHY CANNOT TALK? BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE TALKS.
WHY CAN'T I, YOU'RE NOT SITTING AT THIS TABLE AND I'M SITTING AROUND THE TABLE AND TALKED.
SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A WORKSHOP FOR CITIZENS.
HISTORICALLY, WE'VE LET PEOPLE, WE WE'VE LET PEOPLE TALK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG.
WE'VE DONE IT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA RESTATE MY QUESTION ABOUT DATA, NOT INDIVIDUAL SALES RECEIPTS FOR ON A PARTICULAR DAY, THE 20 OR 30 BUSINESSES DOWN THERE, HOW DOES WEDNESDAY COMPARE TO TUESDAY? WE, WE LOOK AT OUR SALES THAT THAT NUMBER IS ACTUALLY VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE A BEAT ON OUR BUSINESS SO RIGHT.
UM, WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT OUR BUSINESS DOES BASED ON WHETHER THERE'S A MARKET THERE OR AN EVENT THERE OR ANYTHING.
WE CAN TELL YOU, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE DATA AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M NOT GONNA SHOW YOU, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU IT'S GOOD.
I MEAN, AND IF THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION COMES TO US AND SAYS, HEY, CAN YOU HELP US? I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.
I DON'T NEED THEM TO DOUBLE CHECK THEIR NUMBERS.
THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION ALLIANCE SAYS DOUBLE CHECK THEIR NUMBER.
I ASKED IF THE CITY HAS A WAY OF TAKING DATA.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A GET THE INTEREST.
WE HAVE A MONTHLY WAY THAT WE CAN CHECK
BUT YEAH, IT GOT LOST IN THE
SO THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK AND SAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS WE ANY MOBILE FOOD VENDOR, WHICH IS OKAY WITHIN THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY.
SO, AND THIS IS PROBABLY REALLY OLD ASHLEY SHALL LOCATE ON THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE EAST SIDE OF SHORT STREET.
SO I HAD TO CALL SOMEONE AND GO, WHERE IS
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SHORT STREET ATAND THEN YOU MISSED EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
EAST SIDE OF SHORT STREET, WHEREVER THAT'S AT.
YEAH, I'M, I'M TOLD IT'S SHORT STREET IS WHAT I WAS TOLD IT WAS WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN.
THAT WAS THE PART THAT WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS WHEN WE STILL HAD THE GIN LOT AND WE WERE STILL DOING OUR OWN FOOD TRUCK LOT THERE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE PRECLUDED THAT PORTION.
SO THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT UNLESS, AND THEN I THINK BECAUSE OF THE REST OF THE MOVEMENT ON THE GIN BUILDING, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
THEN THE NORTH OF FARLEY STREET, WHICH IS WEIRD 'CAUSE THAT THE FOOD COURT'S ACTUALLY SOUTH SIDE OF FARLEY STREET AND THEN SOUTH OF WEST PECAN AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT BECAME, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ONE THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW DOWN BY O'REILLY.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO CALL THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WEST OF MAINE.
SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.
I THINK I JUST TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE THE FOOD TRUCK COURTS IN MY MIND COULD BE MOBILE.
THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NOW ON FARLEY, ALL OF A SUDDEN ENRIQUE MAY GET A HUGE OFFER AND HE'S GONNA BUILD A BUILDING.
WELL THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK AND TALK WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE NEXT FOOD COURT.
I THINK IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS AN EMPTY LOT OF LAND AND IT'S GOT SEWER AND WATER AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND STAFF CAN FIND THAT IT'S UH, NOT A LIGHT SAFETY ISSUE, THEN UM, YOU GUYS DO THAT.
AND AT THE POINT WHERE COUNCIL'S LIKE, HEY I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE'S LIKE 250 FOOD TRUCKS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? THEN WE CAN ALWAYS ADDRESS IT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROBLEM HASN'T EVER BEEN GETTING THEM HERE.
IT IS BEEN, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, WE REGULATE THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THEN THE OTHER ONES JUST LIKE DURING THE PANDEMIC.
SO I REALLY NOTICED IT EVERY NIGHT.
IT'S NEW FOOD TRUCK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHICH IS GREAT 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T SITTING DOWN AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE STUCK WITH US TO WHERE NOW WE'RE ADDICTED TO FOOD TRUCKS.
UH, BUT THAT WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT, UM, SO ASHLEY, HOW QUICK CAN THESE THINGS HAPPEN? HOW QUICK CAN WE GET THESE? WELL REV, WE JUST NEED TO REVISE THE ORDINANCE AND CLEAN IT UP.
GET, WE STILL NEVER TALKED ABOUT EXTENDING THE TIME.
THAT'S WHY I SAY HOW QUICK CAN THESE GET GOING? BECAUSE I MEAN, I MEAN I PAY FOR EXTRA SHIPPING.
SO I MEAN I LIKE TO GET MY STUFF NOW I GOTTA IMAGINE THE BUSINESSES ARE LIKE, RIGHT, I'M NOT STAYING OPEN LATER.
JUST 'CAUSE Y'ALL MAKE IT LATER.
NO, YOU UNTIL THE KIDS RIGHT THERE TOO LATE.
BUT LET YOU HAVE ALL THAT 30 OR 11 MAKES SENSE.
I THINK MIDNIGHT IS IS PROBABLY TOO LATE.
BUT BETWEEN 10 30 AND 11, UM, UNTIL IT 11 AND THEN THEY CLOSE AT 10 OR 10 30 IF THEY WANT TO 12 WILL BE GREAT.
ANYTHING BETTER THAN IT'S TOO EARLY.
YOU START GETTING THAT SUGAR RUSH AT LIKE NINE.
I I KNOW WHEN YOU MENTIONED LIKE YOU BEEN 11 OR MIDNIGHT, I GUESS WHAT ARE THE OTHER LIKE, UH, LIKE HAVE YOU PUT, WHAT DO WANNA DO? I WOULD SAY 1111 BECAUSE I WAS EVERYBODY TRYING WATCH THEIR FINGER UNTIL ABOUT NINE O'CLOCK.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD, I THINK SUMMER, SUMMERTIME, THE SUN DOESN'T SET UNTIL LIKE NINE O'CLOCK.
SO YOU WANNA HANG OUT UNTIL LIKE 10 O'CLOCK AND YOU MAY EAT LATE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T PUSH IT TO MIDNIGHT.
I I WAS THINKING 10, BUT IF Y'ALL SAY 11, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A HAPPY MEDIUM.
I WOULD SUGGEST 11 BECAUSE WHEN DOES DOES THE MID END, WHAT, WHAT TIME DOES MID SHIFT END SIX FOR US? YEAH.
DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE A MORNING AND EVENING 11 MID SHIFT GOT 11.
SO IF YOU END AT 11 BECAUSE NOT THAT THIS WOULD EVER HAPPEN BUT YOU STARTED HAVING THINGS OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
POLICE PRESIDENT STARTS GOING DOWN FROM 11 TO MIDNIGHT.
NOW YOU'VE GOT A, WE MAY HAVE A BOOMING DOWNTOWN WITH NO WITH POLICE SERVICE AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CLOSE IT AT 11 WE CAN AT LEAST TRY IT TO SEE THINGS.
BY THEN THEY'RE CLOSING DOWN, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, POLICE IS COMING OFF, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF SCALING DOWN FROM THE NIGHT.
AND THEN NO ONE SHOULD BE TOO UPSET THAT WE'RE HAVING A PARTY AT.
'CAUSE I DON'T GO DOWN THERE A LOT.
BUT I HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE BEFORE AND IT'S HOPPING BETWEEN HALL OF FAME AND FROSTIES.
AND I KNOW THAT IF THE FOOD COURT WAS THERE AND IT WAS OPERATING SOMETHING TELLS ME THERE'D BE LITTLE CIRCLE OF PEOPLE EATING AND DRINKING AND LISTENING TO MUSIC AND YEAH.
SO 11:00 PM AND I'LL POINT IT OUT, WRITE IT DOWN.
THE MAJORITY OF THE FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE REVIEWED SO FAR, THEY DO NOT HAVE HOURS OF OPERATIONAL.
ONE THING THAT YOU KNOW BEYOND THAT, UH, IS THAT YOU SAFELY PRODUCE UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OFFERING TO CUSTOMER THAT IS CLEANLY, SAFELY
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SERVED.IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER TO CLEAN YOUR HANDS, YOU MIGHT BE GIVING CONTAMINATED FOOD.
THAT'S WHY A FOOD TRUCK HAS ALL THESE REGULATIONS.
WHEN WE HAVE A FOOD TRUCK, IT HAS TO HAVE A SCENE WASHING.
SO I MEAN I'M NOT, AND I LIKE VENDORS, WE STARTED TO RECEIVE SOME VENDORS ON FRIDAY THAT HAS MAKE OR DATES BETTER.
'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS ANOTHER REASON TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN.
UH, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE SELLING FOOD YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WASH YOUR HAIR.
WHICH IF WE MOVED BACK TO THE, THE MARKET TO THE GYM, THEN THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OWN.
I THINK DID WE THE BATHROOMS IN, WAS THAT JUST A I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WHEN WE TAKE IT OVER.
BUT SEE ENRIQUE AND GINA ARE PROBABLY TWO OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, ARE THE MOST, ENRIQUE'S FAIRLY NEW.
GINA'S BEEN HERE A WHILE, BUT ENRIQUE'S LIKE CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE WE WERE TALKING TO WHERE ONE PERSON GETS SICK AND I DIED IN A FOOD, UH, A FOOD TRUCK IN HU WELL THEN THAT HURTS EVERYBODY IN THE FOOD TRUCK BUSINESS.
HOW SAFETY, WELL I MEAN IF I COULD JUST SAY WHEN YOU GO TO ANY, LIKE WE WERE GOING TO DO THE, UM, THE EVENT WE COULDN'T DO FOR THE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M BUYING? YES.
I WAS GOING TO SELL CANNOLI THERE.
AND MY HUSBAND, HE SAID YOU CANNOT PIPE CANNOLI AT AN EVENT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HAND WASHING.
IT'S LIKE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED.
SO ALL THESE VENDORS OF THE FARMER BY LAW HEALTH DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE SELLING YOUR COOKIES AT A BOOTH AND YOU DON'T HAVE A HAND WASHING STATION EVEN AT YOUR LOT OR THE FARMER'S MART.
LIKE ALL OF THOSE FOOD VENDORS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE, THAT'S PART OF THE COST REGULATIONS THAT IT'S, IT'S APPARENTLY NOT BEING FOLLOWED AND I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO REGULATES THAT BRINGS UP AN INTEREST LIKE YEAH.
I SURE THERE IS A CONVERSATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE CONTACTED HUDU IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY THAT WE'VE GOT LAX ENOUGH HERE THAT LIKE ONE OF THE INSPECTORS LIVES IN HU MM-HMM.
AND SO IT, IT'S GOT LAX ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE PEOPLE JUST OPERATE IN FOOD PLACES.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IS A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING WHICH YOU HAD TALKS ABOUT HAND WASHING STATIONS, YOU HAVE A THREE BASE SINK.
YOU NEED A HAND WASHING STATION RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T WASH YOUR HANDS IN THE SAME THING IN THIS, YOU KNOW, $2,000 SINK AND THEN YOU GO 20 MORE FEET AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER HAND WASH SINK AND ANOTHER.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE, TO THE FARMER'S MARKET AND EVERYBODY'S SELLING TEA AND BIG JERKY AND THEY'RE MAKING THIS OVER HERE AND THEY'RE PUMPING THIS AND THEY'RE, AND TO HER POINT YOU'RE LIKE, WELL THESE DAYS SOMEONE'S GONNA GET SICK OR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S GONNA COME IN AND I KNOW THEY CAN'T COME AFTER US BUT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A SCENE AND THEN IT'S THEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA SAY, WELL WHY DIDN'T, UH, FOR THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO BUDGET IT TO THE JONES.
SO IT'S LIKE TWO SEPARATE AREAS, TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.
MM-HMM
SO WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF TIME.
SO I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING WE'VE DONE.
A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS WE REALLY DON'T LEAVE WITH LIKE WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? 'CAUSE WE THROW OUT A BUNCH OF STUFF AND THEN I'VE BEEN PUSHING, AS YOU GUYS KNOW FOR TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF.
SO WE'LL HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA GOING FORWARD FOR WHEN WE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING WE CAN THEN SAY OKAY WE DIRECT STAFF TO GO DO X WITH THESE TYPE OF PARAMETERS.
KNOWING THAT WE MAY COME BACK AND ADJUST HIM OR VOTE SOMETHING OR OUT.
BUT WE'LL BE GIVEN STAFF IF WE CHOOSE TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION SO THEN WE CAN START HAVING ACTION SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING AND THEN WE CAN TELL THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION WE MET.
WHAT'S THE, TO YOUR POINT, WHAT'S THE ACTION ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN DOWN? OH YEAH, SHE'S BEEN UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SALES TAX AND AN AUDIT REQUEST AND MAKE SURE THE SALES TAX PAPERWORK IS DISPLAYED.
SPECIAL EVENTS FARMER'S MARKET POTENTIALLY, UM, WHO IS CHECKING? SO WE NEED TO GET THE UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT MORE INVOLVED ALSO WHO ON STAFF IS MONITORING THOSE TO SEE IF THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE MAINTAINING FOR THE ORDINANCE.
UM, RESTROOMS, HAND WASHING STATIONS IN ALL OF THE FACILITIES.
UM, POTENTIALLY KEEPING AWAY FROM PNZ APPROVAL AND THEY WERE STAFF FOR THE APPROVAL.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD THE THING ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ON MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS.
SO MAKE THAT VERY EXPLICIT THAT IT'S FOR MOBILE, NOT FOR STATIONARY.
UM, AND THEN SPECIAL EVENTS, DOUBLE CHECK AND LIMIT, UH, OR POTENTIALLY MOVE TO THE GYM BUILDING.
AND THEN FOR MY OWN, I SAID CAN WE GET SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY TO THE GYM BUILDING SO THEN I KNOW AND THEN YEAH, LIGHTING IS A BIG TOO.
SO THERE'S ALSO 11:00 PM CLOSURE.
AND I HAVE HOURS BUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER WAS POSSIBLY LOOKING AT A FOOD OF A CERTAIN SO MANY FEET FROM A DIFFERENT WITH THE SAME CARD.
SO IT'S ALL OF THIS THAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN PLUS ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU
SO IS THERE, 'CAUSE THAT'S A LOT.
IS THERE LIKE A TIMELINE OR LIKE SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE MORE
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FEASIBLE? UM, GETTING COMPLETED? YOU KNOW, BY END OF YEAR I, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A SOMETHING.I DON'T KNOW WHAT WELL WE'RE NOT DATING, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST THROWING OUT A DATE.
UM, SO LIKE IS THERE LIKE A TIMEFRAME? LIKE ARE WE LOOKING FEBRUARY, MARCH? BECAUSE I DO, I THINK IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN WE KIND OF NEED TO HURRY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY AT THE EARLIEST LIKELY FEBRUARY BECAUSE FOR ANY OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGES UDC, MY TEAM HAS TO PRESENT THAT TO THE UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, GET THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN BRING IT TO YOU AS WELL.
UH, FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING.
SO I WOULD SAY FE THE FIRST FEBRUARY MEETING FOR PNZI CAN, I CAN GET AN ORDINANCE DRAFT BY THEN AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO UH, I'M CHECK THE DATES ON THAT BUT UM, I WILL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE AT LEAST TO THAT UM, FIRST FEBRUARY MEETING.
I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU DOWN TO ANYTHING ASHLEY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON IT.
DID YOU PUT UM, TIGHTEN UP THE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR? UH, DEFINITION ON THERE'S, OKAY.
ONE THING UM, THAT IS KINDA NOT HELPING US A LOT IS THE
YOU KNOW THAT IS ALL CORRECT WITH ALL THE THINGS HAS TO GO THROUGH THE HOTEL.
AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND ALREADY LOST CUSTOMERS THAT WAS GOING TO SET UP.
I WONDER IF, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW CUT IT DOWN.
I MEAN I PROMISE YOU I'M NOT WANT NEED ANY UGLY FOOD TRUCKS OR ANYBODY'S NOT GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING.
UH, AND THEN SECONDLY, JUST TO FINISH, UH, I THINK UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT OR, OR THE DOWNTOWN HUDDLE IS AWESOME BUT IT'S TOO HIGH AWAY FROM THE FREEWAY.
AND IF WE CAN PUT A BILLBOARD ACROSS THE 79 ELECTRONICALLY THAT IT ANNOUNCES WHAT WE HAVE, I THINK WE NEED INCREMENTS.
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S FIGHTING FOR POST, RIGHT? BUT WHAT IF WE JUST WIN MORE CUSTOMER AND ONCE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CUSTOMER, NOBODY REMEMBERS WHAT'S THE PROBLEM.
UH, HEY DID WE MEET THAT GUY TO CHANGE THE SIGNS OR WAS IT AMBER LEE? HE WAS ME.
WHO THAT GUY? WE NEED TO GET BACK WITH HIM AND TAKE THOSE SIGNS.
UNDERSTAND IF WE WANT, WE WILL BE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE LET US, YOU AT LEAST CHARGE SOME OF IT BECAUSE WE CAN PUT ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE A THAT'S CONTROLLED BY TEXTILE BUT WE PUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE WANTED TO CHANGE THOSE ANYWAY.
SO I'M PUTTING THAT ON MY TO-DO LIST.
THE LAST THING WE, I HAD BROUGHT UP BEFORE, UH, HERE, I THINK YOU'RE STILL LIAISON FOR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION CLASSES.
WE, I, WE HAD SAID THAT I'D LIKE THEM TO CREATE AND DRAFT SOME TEMPLATES THAT IF YOU FOLLOW THE TEMPLATE THEN YOU'RE LIKE FAST TRACKED PRE-APPROVED.
AND SO YOU COULD DO THAT FOR, 'CAUSE WE HAD IT FOR FASCIA.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT FOR UM, STRIP BUILDINGS LIKE THAT COULD FOLLOW, THAT WOULD BE QUALIFIED FOR OLD TOWN IF THEY BOUGHT SOME OF THE OTHER EMPTY LOTS AND THAT AND NOW WE SHOULD ALSO DO THAT FOR THE FOOD TRUCK REQUIREMENT.
MM-HMM
OR WE TAKE THAT OUT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHY HPC IS EVEN ENGAGED IN THE FOOD TRUCK.
THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IN FOOD SUPPORT.
AND TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON IF STAFF APPROVES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO P NNC FOR WHAT IF THEY HAVE A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
I MEAN WHY NOT JUST MEET WITH THE ALLIANCE BOARD OR PRESIDENT AND THEN GET WHAT YOU NEED, GET THAT DRAFTED AND THEN GO THROUGH SOMEWHERE.
WE DON'T TRUST HIM
I MEAN MIGHT AS WELL TRYING TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF MAKING UP ANOTHER WITH WHAT RANDALL SAID AND STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
SO THAT EVEN ONCE YOU PLUG IN WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU NEED FOR WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING AND THEN THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE EXACT SAME THING EVERY TIME IN THE SAME PARAMETERS.
AND IT MAKES IT EASIER JUST TO IT FASTER FOR THEM AND THEY CAN JUST GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS.
SO I'M GONNA ADJOURN THE MEETING.
CAN WE KEEP THEM, CAN WE ALLOW THEM TO OPEN UNTIL 1111 AS OF NOW OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL LIKE THEY REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE IN BUSINESS? WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE ON THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
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COMING BACK IN FEBRUARY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY.'CAUSE BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY WE CAN'T CHANGE.
CAN YOU PUT THAT ON THAT JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 11, UNTIL JANUARY.
YOU'LL REMIND ME AT THE UH, AT THE MEETING WHEN IT'S TIME REQUIRED.
'CAUSE IT'S A PENALTY IF THEY'RE AT LIKE 12 O'CLOCK.
AND IF IT'S A UDC ITEM, I STILL NEED TO TAKE IT TO P AND Z AND I'M NOT MEETING, IT SHOULD BE TAKEN TO, BUT AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES, YOU CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ENFORCEMENT WALL? THE FUNNY THING IS I WHISPERED SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO.
DOTTIE AND SHE'S LIKE, WELL THAT'S MY BEST PRACTICE.
BUT
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL ADJOURN AT 6 51.