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THAT OUT AND JUST LEAVE IT WITH US.[Planning and Zoning on January 9, 2024.]
TOTALLY FINE.PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 400 PULITZER DRIVE HERE IN HURO.
UM, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ATMORE GAME PARK.
I'LL JUST CURIOUS TO HAVE A, I MEAN, SIMPLER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PLAN WAS WITH THAT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, 'CAUSE THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, I STILL CAN.
UM, FOR THAT ITEM, BECAUSE WE DID PUB, WE DID PUBLISH THE PUBLIC NOTICE, AND IT DID GO OUT TO PEOPLE.
HOWEVER, UM, THE SIGN IS GOING TO BE REVISED AND REVAMPED AND REDONE.
SO IT IS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
IT'S ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE WON'T BE MAKING ANY FINAL DETERMINATIONS ON THAT SIGN.
ESSENTIALLY, THE CITY NEEDS TO PUT A SIGN AT THE PARK AND WHAT WAS BEING REQUESTED WAS A LITTLE TOO TALL.
BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL DESIGN, UM, NOT EVERYBODY AGREED THAT THAT WAS THE BEST DESIGN.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
AND IT WAS JUST OFFICIAL SIGNAGE FOR THE PARK.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THE OFFICIAL SIGNAGE.
IT WAS JUST, TYPICALLY OUR SIGNS ARE SIX FEET TALL, AND THIS WAS LOOKING TO BE ABOUT 14 BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT SMALL DIP IN THE FRONT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER SUITED.
ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? HEARING NONE.
I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 7 0 3.
AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2023.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT A MINUTES SECOND.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED FOR DECEMBER 5TH, 2023.
ITEM 4.2, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR 2259.
INNOVATION BOULEVARD FROM SINGLE FAMILY SSF, ONE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LI FOR AN APPROXIMATE 5.56 ACRE SITE.
MORE OR LESS OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD.
THE, UH, SITE HERE THAT WE HAVE AT, UM, 2, 2 5 INNOVATION BOULEVARD IS THE, UH, FOR A PROPOSED CHANGE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THERE'S BOTH A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, OR SSF ONE WITH THAT GATEWAY OVERLAY TO THE EAST.
IT'S A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITH THE GATEWAY OVERLAY.
AND THEN TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE BOTH THAT MULTI-FAMILY AND THAT GATEWAY, UM, OVERLAY ALONG WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, SO WHAT THIS PROPOSED, UH, REZONING, UM, IS LOOKING AT DOING IS JUST TO BRING THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH NOT ONLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, BUT UM, THE CODE WITH WHAT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE SITE.
SO BACK IN 2012, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED AND IT WENT WITH A DEFAULT ZONING OF SF ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE SITE DID HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND A DISTRIBUTION FACILITY ON SITE.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT IS JUST LOOKING TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, AGAIN, TO BRING THE CO OR TO BRING THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE AND TO BRING, UM, CONFORMITY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND, UM, ALL SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE EITHER ZONED THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR THEY HAVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE ON SITE.
HERE WE HAVE, UM, SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE GOING BACK HERE, UH, THE, UH, SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
SO PART OF THE CRITERIA FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS ALL LISTED OUT IN SECTION 10.20 3.253 OF THE UDC, AND IT'S JUST AS FOLLOWS.
UM, SO THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ANY COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND OTHER APPLICABLE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENTS.
OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE, UM, THE FUTURE LAND JUST MAP HAS THIS AREA DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYMENT CENTER, UM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THOSE LIGHT INDUSTRI OR LIGHT
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MANUFACTURING OFFICE PARK AND, UH, SUPPORTIVE RETAIL USES.AND THE TECH LINE PIPES BUSINESS AS A PIPE DISTRIBUTOR WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND PERMITTED USES ON THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTIES ARE EITHER ZONED LI OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE.
UH, CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE CHANGED THE EXTENT TO THE EXTENDED, UH, PROPERTY ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE NECESSARY.
AGAIN, THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, CALLING IT EMPLOYMENT CENTER WOULD ALLOW FOR THE INDUSTRIAL TYPE USE, WHICH IS, UM, ONSITE.
AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE, UM, ANNEXATION THE PROPOSED, UM, DOES NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, IT, IT FITS RIGHT IN THERE PERFECTLY.
UM, THE PROPOSED ZONING CORRECTS THE CLERICAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR ON THAT ZONING MAP.
AGAIN, AT THE TIME OF ANNEXATION, IT WAS JUST A DEFAULT ZONING OF SSF ONE.
UM, THEN THE PROPOSED ZONING RESULTS IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPED PATTERN.
AGAIN, THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE GOES RIGHT INTO THIS AREA.
UM, THE PROPOSED ZONING'S NOT MERELY JUST TO, UM, BE AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S JUST AGAIN, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THE SITE IS A LEGAL BUILDING.
LOT STAFF DID SEND OUT NOTICES TO 13 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 600 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE IN FAVOR, BUT IT WAS FROM THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
OH, JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY THERE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THE, UH, ZONING REQUESTS GOING FROM SSF ONE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, AND, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, FOR THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONING.
AND I BELIEVE SHE HAD PRESENTATION THAT SHE WANTED TO, UM, TO SHOW.
MY NAME'S AMANDA BROWN WITH HD BROWN CONSULTING.
UM, I HAVE A REALLY QUICK PRESENTATION.
UM, JOHN, I THINK DID A REALLY GOOD JOB, UM, KIND OF LAYING OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, BUT HERE'S A, A PICTURE OF THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, TECH LINE PIPE, UM, IS CURRENTLY THERE, HAS BEEN THERE FOR TWO DECADES, UM, AND HAS BEEN A FUNCTIONING BUSINESS FOR, FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.
THERE'S INNOVATION BOULEVARD AND PROXIMITY TO ONE 30.
UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TECH LINE PIPE.
THEY WERE ESTABLISHED IN 2004.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN A LOCALLY OPERATED BUSINESS, UM, IN THE AUSTIN AREA AND ARE NOW SERVING ALL OF TEXAS.
UM, THEY SERVE MANY WASTEWATER, UM, UTILITY COMPANIES WITH UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE PIPES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, THE CURRENT ZONING, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALSO CURRENTLY ZONED SSF.
ONE, UM, THAT ARE KIND OF IN THE SAME SITUATION AS THIS SITE.
THEY ARE ALSO PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S A SELF STORAGE FACILITY, AN RV PARK, UM, THAT GOT THAT DEFAULT ZONING OF SSF ONE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE EMPLOYMENT ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE REQUESTED ZONING OF LI UM, AND THE PROPOSED ZONING, UH, BE BEING LI REALLY, WHICH WE WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST OWNING IS FOR THE CURRENT USE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10 PM IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? HEARING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10 PM COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENT.
I I, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS NOW APPROVED, WE'VE CHANGED THE ZONINGS BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT IT ACTUALLY WOULD BE AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER VERSUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WHEN DOES THAT REALLY TAKE EFFECT? SO THE LAND USES AND THE ZONING CATEGORIES WILL BE DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT EMPLOYMENT CENTER ENCAPSULATES LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
UM, AND THEN JUST LARGER EMPLOYERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD FIT INTO THAT SECTION.
BUT WE CALLED IT EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
SO YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ONLY FOR INDUSTRIAL, THIS IS ONLY FOR OFFICES.
YOU DO A MORE BROAD CATEGORY AT YOUR COMP PLAN.
AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO, IF WE'RE GONNA, I WOULD SAY WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA KEEP LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT, UM, WE'LL GET INTO IF WE NEED EVEN MORE CATEGORIES IN THAT TO THEN, UM, BE ABLE TO ENACT THE COMP PLAN, UM, WITH THE UDC REWRITE.
SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE START, WE'LL START TALKING ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MONTH DURING THE REWRITE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.2 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
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ALL RIGHTY.WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR RICK HUDSON.
ITEM 4.3 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A FEE IN LIEU FOR TREE PLANTING PER UDC 10.4073 AT THE INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK BUILDING EIGHT SITE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LIMBER LOOP AND INNOVATION BOULEVARD.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD.
ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
UM, AS STATED, UM, WITH THIS ITEM, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR FEE IN LIEU.
THIS IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL OR EMPLOYMENT CENTER DEVELOPMENTS AS ALLOWED BY THE CODE THAT IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO PLANT ALL THE TREES, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO PHE AND L.
UM, SO WITH THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE IT'S 248 TREES AND 496 SHRUBS.
THAT IS A LOT OF GREEN ON ONE LOT.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A 25% REDUCTION, UM, WHICH IS ONE OF IT'S WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE LIMIT WITHIN THE UDC.
SO IF APPROVED, THEY COULD UM, REDUCE THE SITE, UM, TO THAT AMOUNT.
HOWEVER, UM, WHAT STAFF WAS REALLY LOOKING AT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN AN ADJACENT SITE, THERE ARE TREES IN THOSE, UH, PARKING ISLANDS, UM, TOWARDS THE BACK.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MAYBE WE COULD PLANT SOME OF THOSE TREES.
IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE A COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE TREES IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
BUT THE COMPROMISE THAT STAFF CAME UP WITH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HERE IS THE FULL, UM, IN LOOKING AT THIS.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, SEEING WHERE THEY WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T PLANT HERE.
WE CAN'T PLANT SOME OF THOSE WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU PROBABLY CAN'T.
AND CERTAINLY IF IT'S GONNA BE WITH THE LIGHT POLES AND UM, FIRE HYDRANTS AND THINGS, YET WE DON'T WANNA HAVE THOSE CONFLICTS.
BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSTEAD, UM, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, UM, JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU HAVE IS MAYBE NOT AS MANY AS THEY'RE SHOWING.
'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT WE PROVIDED FOR YOU IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT AT LEAST ONE TREE IS PLANTED IN EACH OF THOSE PARKING ISLANDS.
SO THAT WOULD THEN REDUCE, UM, THAT NUMBER TO 43 TREES FROM THAT ORIGINAL REQUEST.
AND THEN WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS EITHER WE DO FEE IN LIE FOR THOSE 43 TREES OR THOSE 43 TREES PLUS, UM, WHAT THEY'VE KINDA GIVEN YOU IN THE PACKET OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.
INSTEAD OF GIVING THAT CHECK TO THE CITY FOR 43 TREES, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US WOULD BE REDUCED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE WE WANNA SEE SOME OF THOSE TREES IN THE PARKING ISLANDS.
THAT THE, THE FEE WOULD BE PAID FOR EITHER 43 TREES PLUS THAT IRRIGATION OR THEY COULD PLANT THOSE ADDITIONAL TREES IN THE BERM THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL TITAN AREA AND EMORY FARMS. BECAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT TREES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLANTED THERE.
AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE COMPROMISE THAT WE HAD STARTED LOOKING AT IS IF WE DON'T PLANT TREES AND THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS TO BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES ELSEWHERE, HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE THAT THE SAME DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO PLANT THE TREES ON THAT BERM AND FURTHER SATISFY THOSE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS YES, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT OUR TREE AMOUNTS, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL SITES, IS QUITE INTENSE.
UM, AND WE DO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A REDUCTION.
HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO REDUCE THAT A LITTLE BIT, REQUIRE SOME OF THE TREES IN THOSE LANDSCAPING ISLANDS JUST ALONG, UM, THAT ONE SIDE THAT WAS INDICATED IN THE PACKET, UM, ON THAT BACKSIDE AND THEN PLANT THE REMAINING TREES IN THE BERM.
OR ONCE THEY RESUBMIT AND THEY CAN RECALCULATE IT, HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE, THEY CAN GIVE US THE CHECK FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, UM, BE REQUESTING WITH THAT CHECK THAT COMES IN IS, HEY, CAN WE EARMARK THIS AND GO AHEAD AND PLANT THE TREES OVER THERE? UM, AND I THINK THAT REALLY SHOWS SOME, I THINK THIS ALSO SHOWS THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS A REALLY COOL IDEA, BUT MAYBE THIS IS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY THEN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION, UM, AND GIVE THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE, HAD BEEN PROMISED BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT HAD EVER OCCURRED.
SO THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT ON SITE TONIGHT.
UM, THESE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
HOW BIG, HOW, HOW BIG ARE THOSE ISLANDS? UM, THEY, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT ONE.
I HAVE UM, OLDER EYEBALLS NOW.
SO THEY ARE OVER 600 SQUARE FEET.
THEIR SPACE I WILL SAY ON THESE PLANTING ISLANDS.
UM, JUST ONE THING TO POINT OUT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE, YOU CAN SEE THE SMALLER PLANTING ISLANDS ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE PAGE.
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UM, OR WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE KIND OF THE WEST, UH, SORRY, EAST SIDE OF THE LOT.THOSE ARE THE STANDARD PARKING SIZES.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR STANDARD CARS ON THAT BACKSIDE WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEIR TREES WERE GONNA BE COMPETING.
UM, AND PROBABLY NOT PLANTABLE.
THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AND LOADING AREAS FOR THE 18 WHEELER.
SO THOSE ISLANDS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN A STANDARD ISLAND.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING THE ADJACENT LOT HAS VERY SIMILAR LAYOUT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET ONE TREE IN PER ISLAND.
WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THEM DO TOO MUCH.
WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT TREES AND 18 WHEELERS DON'T NORMALLY GET ALONG AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE BROKEN TREES UM, IN THEIR NIG IN THE AREA EITHER.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST SEE AS ONE SMALL TREE, SOMETHING IN THOSE PARKING ISLANDS AS THEY HAVE DONE BEFORE.
AND THEN THE REMAINING TREES COULD BE EITHER THE FEE AND LIE OR PLANTED, UM, ALONG THAT BERM AT EMORY FARMS 600 SQUARE FOOT.
SO IS THERE ANY REASON WHY, GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE.
SO IS THERE ANY REASON, I KNOW THEY HAVE A NOTE SAYING THAT THEY CONFLICT WITH THE ADJACENT PARKING, BUT BASED ON SPACE, WHY CAN THEY NOT BE PLANTED IN BETWEEN THAT AND THE OTHER EXISTING PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
SO ONE THING THAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT, AND I KNOW ON THE OTHER SLIDE THAT I ACTUALLY MEASURED IT OUT TO SHOW LIKE THERE'S ABOUT 10 FEET.
AND I KNOW THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT IT DOES SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF COMMON TO HAVE SOME TREES.
YOU SEE IT IN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THE REASON HERE THAT IT REALLY MAY NOT WORK IS BECAUSE UNLESS YOU PICK ONE PARTICULAR TREE THAT IS VERY VERTICAL MM-HMM.
BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE 18 MILERS BACKING UP 18, YOU COULD END UP WITH, AND THOSE ARE TALLER VEHICLES.
SO YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY END UP WITH A TREE CANOPY.
YOU MORE SO END UP WITH JUST BROKEN TREES BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD BE BACKING THAT PLACE.
'CAUSE WHEREVER THEY PUT THE STOP FOR THE TRUCK, IT'S GONNA HIT THE TREE.
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING IS I WAS LIKE, WELL WHAT ABOUT BACK HERE IN THIS BERM AREA? AND THEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE LOGISTICS AND I WENT OUT ON SITE AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL NO I GET IT BECAUSE THEY HAD A FEW VEHICLES PARKED BACK THERE AND I WAS LIKE, TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.
THIS IS A BAD IDEA ON MY PART.
UM, SO WE DID MEASURE IT OUT, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT SHRUB COUNT.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE NUMEROUS SHRUBS OVER HERE.
BUT THEY DO TRY TO AVOID WHERE THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL HAVE CONFLICTS AND CERTAINLY THEY KNOW THEIR BUSINESS BETTER THAN I DO.
UM, AS FAR AS WHERE THE 18 WHEELERS AND WHAT THEIR CONFLICTS WOULD BE.
WE JUST WANTED TO SEE AT LEAST ONE TREE COME BACK INTO THOSE LANDSCAPE ITEMS. MY OTHER QUESTION IS FOR THE, I LOVE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT MORE TREES IN THE EMORY FARMS BERM, WHICH IS HIGHLY NEEDED.
IF YOU HAD THAT AS PART OF YOUR SUGGESTION, I'M ASSUMING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DICTATE AS PART OF OUR MOTION.
SINCE IT'S A SAME DEVELOPER, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
WOULD IT JUST BE MORE OF AN ASK TO ME? IT WAS REALLY MORE OF AN ASK.
IF YOU COULD DO THIS IN LIEU OF THE FEE IN LIEU, WHICH, SORRY, I'M EVEN SOUND SAYING THAT OUT LOUD.
IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO PLANT THOSE 43 TREES WITH THE IRRIGATION IN LIEU OF PROVIDING A CHECK, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF MM-HMM.
THAT BUILDS A LITTLE BIT MORE GOODWILL.
WE SHOULD HAVE PUT TREES IN AT SOME POINT.
I THINK THAT HELPS OUT EMORY FARMS AND IT IS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL DEVELOPER WHO CAME IN.
THE OTHER OPTION IS JUST TO TAKE THE FEE IN LIE BASED ON THAT NEW TREE COUNT MM-HMM.
AND THEN TAKE THAT AND THEN WE CAN ASK PARKS, UM, TO PLEASE SPEND THOSE FUNDS ON THOSE TREES AND PLACE THEM THERE.
OBVIOUSLY THEN THAT DOES INCLUDE THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR PERMISSION FROM CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND IN THAT LOCATION AND HAVE COUNCIL AGREE TO IT.
SO I THINK I WAS ASKING THAT BECAUSE OF THAT.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY DO THAT IN THE MOTION.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THE FEE IN LIEU OR IF WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL TREES, LIKE YOU SAID ON SITE AND THEN HAVE THE FEE IN LIE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY PUT A SUGGESTION IN OUR MOTION.
WE CAN JUST SAY, HEY, WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
CERTAINLY YOU CAN UM, TELL STAFF WE, IF WE TAKE THE FEE IN LIEU MM-HMM
UM, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY BEEN PRESENTED WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THE CODE TECHNICALLY JUST SAYS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US A V AND L.
UM, TALKING INTERNALLY THAT WAS REALLY OF MINE.
LIKE, HEY, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD GET THEM PLANTED OVER THERE.
NOW I KNOW THAT EVEN GETTING THEM PLANTED, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A SUGGESTION.
IT, IF WE GET ENOUGH TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO TO COUNCIL AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO.
BUT IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO BE A REQUEST EITHER WAY.
I THINK JUST BECAUSE A LETTER OF THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN IS A FEE IN LIE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AT LEAST WHAT COMES OUT OF IT IS WE'D LIKE THIS AND WE WANT THE TREES TO BE PLANTED THERE.
SO EITHER IT WOULD BE US PLANTING OR IT WOULD BE THEM PLANTING IN SOME
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WAY AND THEN A REIMBURSEMENT OR, BUT I THINK WE WOULD STILL NEED TO GO TO COUNCIL JUST FOR THAT FINAL APPROVAL.SO WE'D HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL, EVEN IF THEY AGREED TO PLANT THEM ON THE BERM, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL TO GET PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
ONLY BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IS IT JUST SAYS FEE AND LIE WOULD GO INTO THE TREE FUND.
SO WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS THAT EITHER WE COULD COME WITH SOME OTHER AGREEMENT SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS FEE IN LIE, BUT IN, IN INSTEAD OF THE FEE IN LIEU, WE'RE GONNA PLANT THE TREES AND WE WOULD HAVE TO STILL GO WITH AN AGREEMENT LIKELY TO COUNSEL.
MAYBE THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD HAVE THE CITY MANAGER APPROVE, BUT I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ALL THE LEGALITIES OF THAT.
UM, OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE A FEE IN LIEU THAT WOULD THEN COME BEFORE COUNSEL PRIOR TO TREES BEING UM, PUT IN BY CITY STAFF THAT WE WOULD JUST SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
MM-HMM
AND THEN HAVE COUNCIL'S AGREEMENT ON THAT.
SO WHO OWNS THE BERM? I BELIEVE THE BERM IS STILL OWNED BY THE OVERALL DEVELOPER.
SO WE CAN'T LEGALLY HAVE PARKS PLANTING TREES ON THEIR LAND.
CAN WE? WHICH IS WHY THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT REGARDLESS.
SO SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK IF WE'RE GONNA ASK PARKS TO PLANT THE TREES ANYWAY.
SO WHY NOT JUST ASK THE COMPANY? WELL TO DO, I DON'T THINK PARKS CAN PLANT THE TREES IS WHERE I'M GOING.
WELL I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT TOO.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY DOUBLE CHECK ON WHO OWNS THE BERM.
I BELIEVE IT WAS STILL BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S MY THING.
IF WE OWN THE BERM, THEN WE SHOULD PLANT THE TREES.
WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TREES.
WE SHOULD IRRIGATE THE TREES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
IF THE BERM BELONGS TO THE DEVELOPER AND TITAN, THEY'RE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF IT AND WE'RE FREE AND CLEAR.
WELL AND THE OTHER THING IS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, IT SHOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
BUT ANYWAY, NOT, NOT DESIGN MADE NO FULLY UNDERSTOOD.
IT'S REALLY JUST HOW CAN WE GET THE TREES IN THE BERM.
I DO KNOW WITH TITAN, I THINK WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT ENTIRE GROUP.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IF WE SAID, HEY, WE HAVE THIS FEE IN LIEU AND WE'D LIKE TO GO PLANT THE TREES THERE, THEY'VE KNOWN THE FULL HISTORY THAT TREES WERE SUPPOSED TO GO INTO THAT BERM AT SOME POINT.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GETTING EVEN AN AGREEMENT.
JUST SURE COME PLANT THE TREES.
EVEN IF IT'S THE CITY HAVING TO PLANT THEM.
I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE TO SEE, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL THING, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME TREES GO IN HERE.
SO E FEE AND LIEU OR SOMETHING.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE TREES GO BACK IN THERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT SHOWS TO EMORY FARMS THAT WE HAVE LISTENED AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
I I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE TREES ON THE BERM.
SO I, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY CLEAR WHO OWNS 'EM? WHO, WHO OWNS 'EM? RIGHT.
SO WHEN, SO SO I, THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY STUPID QUESTION, BUT WHEN WE HAD UM, THE ISD COME BEFORE US AND WE HAD, WE HAD THE TREE SITUATION.
THEY DID ONE THING AND THEY WERE LIKE, WE WERE GONNA PUT MORE TREES IN THIS AREA, SO WE'RE WANTING A REDUCTION HERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA PLANT THEM OVER HERE.
CAN WE JUST USE THESE TREES AND SAY THIS IS PART OF THE REDUCTION IS YOU PLANT 'EM OVER HERE INSTEAD OF OVER HERE LIKE WE DID WITH THE ISD.
SO THE ONLY REASON WE COULDN'T IS BECAUSE WHEN THE ISD DOES THAT, IT'S UNDER A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE OKAY.
BECAUSE OF AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE THAT AND IT'S ON THE SAME PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY OWN.
AND SO THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, WE CAN'T PLANT THOSE 16 HERE, BUT I COULD PUT 'EM OVER HERE.
IS IS THAT STILL SUFFICE? OKAY.
BUT NO, I MEAN THAT'S KINDA ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH IS HOW CAN WE ASSIST THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN SO PASSIONATE AND HOW DO WE TRY TO MAKE THIS BETTER? AND YES, IT'S THE SAME DEVELOPER.
WELL COULD WE SEE, AND I WOULD TELL YOU I WILL LOOK IT UP, BUT WE HAVE ZERO INTERNET RIGHT NOW
SO, UM, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EITHER WE CAN JUST DO THE REDUCTION AND JUST TAKE THE CHECK AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
BECAUSE IF IT IS THEIR PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
UM, AND WE WILL SAY, COOL, CAN YOU GUYS GO PLANT THEM? OR IF IT IS OUR PROPERTY, 'CAUSE IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A, A DRAINAGE DITCH.
AND I DO NOT REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ON THOSE ORIGINAL PLATS.
I THINK THERE WOULD BE MORE PAPERWORK TO IT OF, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS TO THIS.
IT MAY BE EASIEST JUST TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THE FEE IN LIEU FOR THOSE 43 TREES JUST RE-GIVE US THAT STAFF, TAKE THE MIDDLE, TAKE THAT FUNDING AND THEN WE CAN GO TO COUNCIL, WELL WE CAN GO TO COUNCIL WITH PARKS AND SAY THIS IS, WE GOT THIS CHECK FOR THIS AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THESE AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANNA GO PLANT THEM.
AND WE CAN JUST SAY, AND THIS WAS P AND Z'S.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, P AND Z ALSO MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD PLANT THEM BECAUSE, 'CAUSE IN MY MIND, IF WE OWN IT, THEN WE SHOULD BE GOING FOR A FEE AND LIE SO THAT WE CAN PLANT THE TREES.
SO THEN I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THE SAFEST WOULD JUST SAY, LET'S JUST DO FEE AND LIE AND THEN STAFF CAN WORK IT OUT THAT WE CAN, UM, DO SOMETHING TO SAY LET'S TAKE
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THE FEE IN LIEU FOR THE 43 TREES WITH THE, UM, OTHERS IN THE BACK.AND THEN WE CAN GO FORWARD AND MAKE WHAT, HOWEVER THE OWNERSHIP WORKS OUT.
EITHER MAKE AGREEMENTS OR JUST DO IT OURSELVES WITH COUNCIL'S BLESSING.
SO, SO IF, IF THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR A FEE AND LIEU OF PLANTING THE TREES, WHERE WERE THEY? WHERE WERE THEY GONNA PUT THESE TREES? SOMEWHERE ON SITE? I'M NOT SURE.
I DON'T, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD'VE MADE IT WORK WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT THEY WOULD NEED WITH 40 SOMETHING ADDITIONAL.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD MAKE IT WORK.
TO ME IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE THE SIX, SIX OR ONE AND A HALF DOZEN.
THE OTHER, I MEAN THE TREES, I MEAN THEY WERE GONNA PLANT 'EM ANYWAY AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT TO GIVE US MONEY INSTEAD OF PLANTING THE TREES AND THE MONEY'S GONNA GO TO THE PARKS.
WHICH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT I WOULD MUCH RATHER, LIKE YOU SAID RICK, I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THE TREES IN THE BERM.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, SO I WILL SAY ALL THE TIMES THAT WE'VE TAKEN THE FEE IN LIEU FOR TREES, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER SAID, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO PARKS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CAN, OR THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS IS THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT.
AND WE CAN PRESENT THAT OVER TO PARKS AND COUNCIL AND SAY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS LIKELY GONNA BE FEE AND LIE.
WE HAD DONE THE FEE AND LIE BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT OUR LANDSCAPE CRITERIA AND THE NUMBER OF TREES AND SHRUBS IS A LOT NOTHING SAYS PARKS HAS TO USE THAT MONEY FOR THOSE TREES.
UM, IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
PARKS DOESN'T GET TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN WHERE THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL WITH COUNSEL.
SO COUNCIL WOULD MAKE UP THEIR MIND.
COUNCIL WOULD MAKE UP THEIR MIND.
BUT THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TREES GO HERE AND THEN SEE IF COUNCIL AGREES ON NOT.
BUT I, I, I STILL WORRY ABOUT WHAT RICK BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE BERM.
AND SO FOR THE OWNERSHIP OF THE BERM, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND ORIGINALLY TREES WERE HAD BEEN PLANNED IN THE BERM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE TO BE ABLE TO GET, UM, AN ACCESS TO THE BERM TO BE ABLE TO PLANT THEM.
BECAUSE THAT ALSO SATISFIES SOMETHING THAT, UM, TITAN HAD ORIGINALLY AGREED TO.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO PLANT THEM.
SO I THINK US DOING WHAT WE OR THE CITY HAD FINALIZING WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR TITAN.
IF IT GOES BACK TO COUNCIL OF THIS IS WHO OWNS IT, THIS IS THE AGREEMENT THAT YES, WE COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY FROM TITAN AND THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO PLANT THOSE TREES.
WELL I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF WE DECIDE TO GIVE THE, TAKE THE MONEY THAT THAT WE PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE COUNCIL TO PLANT THOSE TREES IN THAT BAR.
WE CAN DO AN ASTERISK AND JUST SAY, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANT TO DO THE FEES IN LIE.
BUT THIS FEE AND LIE COUN, UM, SORRY, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS IS USED IN THIS AREA.
YOUR MARKET VERY STRONGLY RECOMMEND.
I THINK THE FEE AND LIE THING, IT WORKS WELL.
UM, BUT MAYBE IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND PLANT TREES ANYWHERE.
WE SHOULD BE PLANTING THEM ALSO WHERE IT MAYBE MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO PLANT THEM ADJACENT.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHO HAS THE IMPACT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR A LOT OF US IS THAT ADJACENT.
THEY WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS SHE SAW, CAN WE MAKE IT RIGHT, COULD WE MAKE, COULD WE MAKE THIS BETTER? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING FOR, UM, IS JUST CAN WE TRY TO MAKE THAT BETTER FOR EMORY FARMS? THEY HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT AND THEY HAVE SO PATIENT AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO BEEN VERY VOCAL, BUT KINDLY VOCAL OF, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET.
AND SO THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M LIKE, WELL MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD AFFECT CHANGE HERE.
SO I THINK WHAT IT SHOWS IS THAT YEAH, IF YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING AND YOU SHOW UP AND YOU CONTINUALLY POINT IT OUT, WE'LL WE'LL FIND A WAY TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THAT'S ALL STAFF WAS LOOKING AT.
SO IT SAYS IN HERE WE COULD, WE CAN CHOOSE ONE OF THE THREE.
LIKE NORMALLY I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IS YOU'VE JUST PICKED THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, I THINK ON EVERY OTHER ONE YOU'VE JUST SAID, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR THREE, WE'RE JUST GONNA PICK THE MIDDLE.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST, AND I WILL SAY THESE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS THAT, THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR 47.
SO THEY WOULD PUT ONE TREE BACK IN EACH OF THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS.
SO THIS NUMBER WOULD COME DOWN SLIGHTLY.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A TYPE OF TREE THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE PLANTED? UH, I KNOW, I KNOW THE CITY'S, I KNOW WE HAVE YEAH.
UM, AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THAT TITAN BERM.
CERTAINLY I WOULD SAY EVERGREEN
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WOULD PROBABLY THE, A GREAT OPTION.I KNOW OAK TREES WOULD BE REALLY GOOD THERE.
I MEAN WE'D CERTAINLY HAVE TO SEE, OKAY, WHAT SIZING WORKS FOR THAT AND IS THERE AN EVERGREEN? THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN EVERGREEN SOMETIMES AREN'T FAST GROWING, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PLANT THAT WOULD GIVE YEAR ROUND SCREENING? NOT JUST, RIGHT.
I MEAN 'CAUSE MAN, COULD YOU IMAGINE RIGHT NOW YOU'D HAVE NOTHING AGAIN, YOU WOULD JUST SEE A BEAR TREE POTENTIALLY.
SO DO SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY THEN MAKES SENSE AND WE'RE NOT JUST, WE PLANTED A TREE AND NOW YOU DON'T GET TO SEE IT FOR THE SUMMER, FOR THE WINTER.
UM, AND DO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EVERGREEN TREES OR AT LEAST SOME MAYBE INTERSPERSE EVERGREEN WITH SOME DECIDUOUS BACK THERE.
SO, UM, ONE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE LOOKING AT THIS IS WE'RE LOOKING AT 205 TREES AND THE BERM AREA THERE ON, ON THE BOTTOM THAT LOOKS REALLY TIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA PLANT A HUNDRED ISH, 120 ISH TREES BACK THERE AND HALF OF 'EM AREN'T GONNA DIE.
SO THAT IS AN AWFUL LOT OF TREES.
AND THEN KEEP IN MIND TOO, THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES.
I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS WITH ME, BUT NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE LARGE TREES.
YOU COULD HAVE INTERSPERSING, SOME OF THOSE COULD BE CREPE MYRTLES.
THEY CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S SMALLER THAT DOES WORK.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND GOING, THOSE ARE ALL LIVE OAKS.
UM, IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT ALL.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW TO DO A ESSENTIALLY LIKE A TWO TO ONE.
SO YOU CAN DO THE SMALLER TREES FOR ONE LARGE TREE.
SO THIS IS BASED ON WHAT THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SAID, THIS WILL WORK.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE SAYING, BUT THESE WILL NOT WORK.
THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE CONFLICTS.
AND THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST, I GET IT, WE DO HAVE VERY LARGE LIGHT POLES AT THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING.
YOU DO HAVE YOUR FIRE HYDRANTS IN SOME OF THOSE, UM, ISLANDS.
BUT THE ADJACENT SITE WAS ABLE TO MAKE AT LEAST ONE TREE WORK.
IT'S ALSO A THING TO THINK OF TIMING THOUGH.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PLANTING NEW TREES AND WE ALSO HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE GROWTH PERIOD.
NOT AN ARBORIST, BUT, SO WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.
THERE'S GONNA BE VERY SMALL TREES THERE FOR YEARS.
SO WE REALLY PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA GET TO THIS FULL LEVEL OF THEM HITTING EACH OTHER FOR YEARS POTENTIALLY.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA BE BIG TREES ANYWAY, SO.
WELL IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT WE'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF OTHER TREE THINGS COME IN TO THE, TO PLANTING AND ZONING AND WE LOOK AT 'EM AND WE GO, WOW, THAT'S WAY TOO MANY TREES AND WAY TOO SMALL OF AN AREA.
I'M VOICING THE SAME CONCERN HERE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUTTING 60 FOOT DOUGLAS FURS AND LIVE OAKS ALL ALONG THAT BERM 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIT AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA CHOKE EACH OTHER OUT.
WELL THE LEGEND SHOWS FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREE THAT'S GOING IN THERE.
AND I CAN'T READ ANY OF 'EM 'CAUSE IT PRINTS SO TINY
SO YOU'VE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME MONTEREY OAKS.
THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT TALLER.
THEY'RE NOT AS, THEY DON'T ALWAYS GO AS WIDE.
WHAT ARE THEY? UM, MONTEREY OAKS.
AND THEN YOU DO HAVE SOME, UM, OF THE LIVE OAKS.
BUT THOSE LOOK TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED ON THOSE MUCH LARGER BERMS, LIKE TOWARDS THE ENTRIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S BALD CYPRESS.
THOSE ARE VERY TALL, THIN TREES.
UM, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD FOR X ESCAPING AS WELL.
THEY, ONCE THEY'RE ESTABLISHED, THEY'RE LOW WATER.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST IS CEDAR ELMS. SO AGAIN, MORE OF THE TALLER ALL SKINNY
UM, AND THEN FOR THE ORNAMENTALS, THEY DO HAVE SOME TEXAS PERSIMMON IN YON HOLLY.
SO BASED ON WHAT THEIR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS SAID, THIS WILL WORK ON SITE, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
THEY ACTUALLY CAME DOWN AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED THIS MANY TREES.
WE DON'T NEED 67, I THINK WAS THEIR ORIGINAL.
UM, AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND PART OF THAT I THINK IS THE TRADE OFF OF THE TWO TO ONE AND OTHER THINGS THAT THE CODE ALLOWS THE, A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ON THAT, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID COULD WORK.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK KNOWING THAT WE'VE EVEN DONE THE CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR FEE AND LI THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT UDC REWRITE OF WHAT MAKES SENSE.
DO WE WANT TO JUST HIDE BUILDINGS WITH ALL OF THIS LANDSCAPING OR
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DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT? AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY THE LANDSCAPE OF AUTO WITH THIS, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE UDC.BUT ALL GREAT POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND.
I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE ALL COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT UDC AS WELL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHTY.
HEARING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD THIS.
I KNOW, I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WORDING.
I THINK, I THINK THE REASON I WAS THINKING IS I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN ADD WORDING, STATING SOMETHING ABOUT CREATING AN AGREEMENT.
SAY WE MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS WITH, WITH A CONDITION THAT THE DEVELOPER WORKED TO CREATE AN AGREEMENT TO USE THE FEE IN LIEU AMOUNT TO PLANT THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TREES ALONG THE BERM, BLAH, BLAH BLAH.
CAN THAT BE PART OF THE MOTION? SURE.
THE AGREEMENT STILL HAS TO GO COUNCIL IN IN MOTION.
IT'S MORE OF HOW WOULD A STAFF DO IT.
I THINK OTHERWISE YOU COULD SAY WE WANT TO ACCEPT THE FEE IN LIE FOR THE REDUCED AMOUNT OF TREES.
UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE MIDDLE BID, GET US THE THREE BIDS.
AND THEN FOR STAFF TO TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY TO PLANT BERM, UH, TREES IN THAT BERM.
I WOULD SAY AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT, LIKE, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW THINGS GET IFFY AROUND HERE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE ACTUAL SOME KIND OF WRITTEN THING.
CAN WE, BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IF THE FEE AND LIE HAS TO BE APPROVED TO BE SPENT BY CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU SAY YOU WANT THIS FEE IN LIEU TO GO HERE AND YOU WANT THAT TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THEN IF THERE HAS TO BE AGREEMENT, WE WOULD HAVE STAFF HAS TO DO AN AGREEMENT.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T PLAN IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO IT WOULD SAY TO COUNCIL, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS MONEY IS TO COME TO YOU AND LET'S PUT IT IN THAT BERM.
WELL COUNCIL NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT ORIGINALLY THE TREES WERE GONNA GO THERE ANYWAY.
AND I, I GUESS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO PAY US MONEY INSTEAD OF PLANTING THE TREES THERE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL WE WANT THE TREES PLANTED THERE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, THAT IT WAS ONLY EVER GONNA BE FEE AND LIE TO, INTO THE PARKLAND FUND FOR TREES.
WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT, BUT IT JUST KIND OF SEEMED ODD TO ME.
IT IS, IT IS TOUGH TO MAKE A MOTION ON IT.
I GUESS MY, MY QUANDARY WITH MAKING A MOTION IS I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT.
ARE WE DIRECTING COUNSEL TO CONSIDER FEE IN LIEU? OR ARE WE DIRECTING, OR ARE WE DIRECTING THE DEVELOPER TO PLANT TREES? WELL, I THINK ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, I THINK ACCORDING TO ASHLEY, WE WOULD'VE TO BASICALLY MAKE THE, THE MOTION DIRECTED TOWARD THE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TAKE IT TO COUNCIL, ASKING THE COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, PNZ STRONGLY RECOMMENDS OR, OR REQUESTS THAT THIS MONEY BE USED FOR THE TREES IN THE BERM.
I MEAN, THAT WAY COUNCIL KNOWS THAT, THAT WE REALLY WANT THE TREES THERE AND, AND I DON'T CARE HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THE TREES THERE.
IF WE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PUT, AND IF THE COUNCIL TURNS IT DOWN, CAN WE COME, CAN WE COME HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE RECONSIDER SOMETHING? CAN YOU DO THAT? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO BECAUSE I BELIEVE FOR I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER, YEAH.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IF THINGS ARE DECIDED UPON DIFFERENTLY THAN COUNCIL THAT THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL THEN BRING IT BACK TO US
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY, WELL, IF YOU SAID NO, WE WANT ANOTHER SHOT AT IT,
WELL I PERSONALLY THINK COUNCIL PROBABLY WILL AGREE TO THE TREES THEY MOVE TO MAKE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT 10% DOUBT.
UM, UM, I'M, I'M JUST AT A LOSS AT OKAY.
BRIAN'S TAKING CARE OF IT OVER HERE.
SO I WILL, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO BACK.
SO I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE FEE IN LIE REQUEST FOR A REDUCTION OF 43 TREES ACCEPTING THE AVERAGE
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AMOUNT OF $60,420 FOR THE FEE AND CONSIDERATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE STAFF CREATE AN AGREEMENT WITH CURRENT DEVELOPER TO ALLOCATE THIS FULL FEE AMOUNT TO PLANTING TREES IN THE BERM AREA BESIDE EMORY FARMS WITH ONGOING MAINTENANCE BY DEVELOPER.I ONLY NEED TO ADD ONE LITTLE CAVEAT TO THAT.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE THE 35,000.
I KNOW IT WAS A HOLDOVER FROM THE OTHER ONE.
'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
OH, DID, DID YOU TAKE THOSE $831? DID YOU TAKE THESE AND 95 CENTS.
THREE AND AVERAGE 'EM? I THOUGHT IT, I TOOK, I THOUGHT IT WAS 700 OR SOMETHING.
I THINK SHE JUST RECALCULATED THIS.
DID THE 800 3830 $1 AND 95 CENTS TIMES 43.
SO YOU DID IT OFF THE LAST BID.
WHICH BID DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT OFF OF? UM, ANY THAT COMMISSIONER AGREES UPON.
TYPICALLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CAVEAT WITH THIS, UM, IN THE PAST, NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE SETTING PRECEDENT.
IT'S BEEN THE MIDDLE BID THAT IS THE ONE THAT GOES FORWARD.
SO THAT WOULD BE, WHAT'S THE, THE RAMSEY 33,819 AND 50 CENTS.
I LIKE THE WAY YOU WORDED THAT.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER YOU GAVE? 33 8 19 AND 50 CENTS.
I WILL RESTATE, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE FEE AND LEE REQUEST FOR A REDUCTION OF 43 TREES ACCEPTING THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF $33,819 AND 50 CENTS FOR THE FEE AND CONSIDERATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE STAFF CREATE AN AGREEMENT WITH CURRENT DEVELOPER TO ALLOCATE THIS FULL FEE AMOUNT TO PLANTING TREES IN THE BERM AREA BESIDE EMORY FARMS WITH ONGOING MAINTENANCE BY DEVELOPER.
DID YOU GET ALL THAT SUZANNE? THEY DID
I DIDN'T HAVE DIRECTLY AND HE'S GOT IT WRITTEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
ITEM 4.4, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1 0 0 1 COUNTY ROAD 1 37 FROM THE SIGN STANDARDS AS OUTLINED IN CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 10.410 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TO INCREASE THE ALLOWED NUMBER OF SIGNS ALONG A STREET FRONTAGE FROM ONE TO TWO SIGNS AND TO EXCEED MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TWO PROPOSED PARK ENTRANCE SIGNS.
SO COMMISSIONER, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ONLY.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PRESENTING A VARIANCE AT THIS TIME.
SO WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEAH, IT JUST NEEDS TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:45 PM IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:45 PM AND WE WILL MOVE ON ITEM 4.5, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES 2020 EDITION AS AMENDED CHAPTER THREE, LAND USE STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF HU BY AMENDING SECTION 10.30 4.7 INDUSTRIAL USES AND ADDING SECTION 10.30 8.8 DATA CENTER AND AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR, SITE DESIGN STANDARDS BY AMENDING SECTION 10.034, BUILDING ENVELOPE SECTION TEN FOUR OH THREE SIX BUFFER YARD AND SECTION 10.40 5.9 PARKING AND LOADING SPACE NUMBER STANDARDS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT FOR ME.
UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA REWRITE THE UDC, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME THAT WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD FIRST.
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WE KNEW THAT INDUSTRIAL HEIGHTS HAD STARTED TO BECOME AN ISSUE AND WHAT WE WERE SEEING IS THAT WE WERE EITHER TRYING TO DO PS OR SQUEEZE THESE REALLY BIG BUILDINGS IN THIS 45 FOOT HEIGHT AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD KIND OF OUTPACED US.SO WE, UM, ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A GREAT THIRD PARTY CONTRACT WITH THAT UDC.
AND SO THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THIS FOR US AND THEY LOOKED AT ALL EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING AND SAID, WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROPOSE THAT DOESN'T MESS UP WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW AND IT DOESN'T CONFLICT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL THESE CRAZY CONFLICTING, UM, REQUIREMENTS, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AGAIN ONCE WE'RE IN THE UDC.
BUT THIS GETS US TO THE POINT OF WE ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE DATA CENTERS TO FIND AND WE'RE GETTING DATA CENTERS.
WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ONE COMING AND, UM, POTENTIALLY MORE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WE NEED SOME OF THESE THINGS IN WHILE WE'RE REWRITING IT SO WE DON'T JUST HAVE TO COME TO A STANDSTILL.
UM, AND SO THE OTHER PART WAS THAT IN WORKING WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AND CERTAINLY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DIRECTOR, WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR 50 FOOT, 55, 60 FOOT BUILDINGS.
AND SOME OF 'EM ARE REALLY JUST IN THAT 50 TO 55 FOOT RANGE AND MIGHT NEED A LITTLE WIGGLE ON THE TOP BECAUSE THE MACHINERY INSIDE.
AND WE COULDN'T, WE WERE JUST GETTING PASSED OVER BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PROVIDE THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 60 PRETTY STANDARD.
UM, THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT WERE GOING A LOT HIGHER, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LOT MORE IN DEPTH THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO JUST IN GENERAL, WE WERE SAYING 60.
AND THEN WHAT I CAN SHOW YOU ON THIS ONE IS PART OF THIS, IS THAT SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO THE COMMERCIAL WHERE IF IT'S ADJACENT TO ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU KINDA HAVE THAT ONE FOR ONE.
60 WASN'T SO MUCH THAT WE WAS LIKE, MAN, THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THIS MASSIVE BUILDING ADJACENT TO THESE RESIDENCES.
UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING AT THE DATA CENTER AND SAYING, HEY, IF YOU WANT A DATA CENTER, DATA CENTERS INHERENTLY ARE TALLER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH, UM, THE PROLOGIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE THE SKY BOX PROLOGIS, UM, COMING OUT.
BUT WE ALSO ASK THEM, WHAT WORKS FOR YOU AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? 'CAUSE A FOUR STORY BUILDING FOR THEM IS 120 FEET.
UM, AND THAT'S STANDARD FOR MOST DATA CENTERS.
AND SO WE'RE LIKE, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FIND DATA CENTERS.
'CAUSE IN 2011 WHEN WE ADOPTED THIS, THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN HUD OUT.
AND SO THAT ALSO THESE AMENDMENTS ALSO THEN ALLOW A DATA CENTER TO COME IN.
IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT HEIGHT JUST FOR THAT ONE USE TYPE.
SO IT WASN'T JUST A FREE FOR ALL FOR EVERYBODY IN INDUSTRIAL TO GO TO THAT HEIGHT.
IT WAS IF YOU HAVE THIS VERY SPECIFIC USE, YOU CAN INCREASE THAT HEIGHT WHILE ALSO THEN LOOKING AT ARE YOU ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL? SHOULD YOU BE SET BACK FURTHER? UM, AND THEN ALSO NOT COMPLICATING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE GOING ON.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW, ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THAT, BUT IT ALSO STILL MEETS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO CREATE THE ISSUE OF, UM, PUTTING INDUSTRIAL, I THINK DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S GONNA BE STREETS IN BETWEEN AND OTHER THINGS AND OTHER INTERVENING USES.
BUT THIS REALLY GETS US TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO WHAT THE MARKET LOOKS LIKE AND THE REQUESTS THAT WE'RE GETTING.
BUT DOING SO IN A WAY THAT WE'RE NOT JUST OPENING THE FLOODGATE OF HOW TALL A BUILDING CAN BE, UM, WITHOUT THOSE REALLY MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS.
'CAUSE MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SAY THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN THOSE CORRIDORS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE DATA CENTERS.
WE PICKED CORRIDORS FOR WHERE THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED.
NOT JUST, SO YOU COULD DO THAT ANYWHERE IN LI OR INDUSTRIAL.
IT REALLY IS, YOU CAN DO THIS ON THESE TWO QUARTERS.
THE MAIN ONE IS GOING TO BE ON 79 WHERE WE HAVE THAT HUGE MEGASITE PROPERTY WHERE THE, THE FIRST DATA CENTER IS ALREADY GOING.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO.
AND THIS MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE SOUTHEAST LOOP THAT'S GONNA BE ELEVATED IN A LOT OF AREAS.
120 FEET, UM, IN HEIGHT IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO SOME OF THOSE OVERPASSES.
SO TRYING TO BE NIMBLE, UM, AND RESPOND TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO, BUT DO IN A WAY THAT WE HAD THE FULL PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEN ALSO KNOWING THAT WE'RE, WE MAY ACTUALLY CHANGE THIS MOVING FORWARD OR WE MAY NOT, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE IT MAKES SENSE.
UM, THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING.
SO WE'RE NOT TOO FAR OUT THERE, BUT ALLOWS SOME THINGS BY RIGHT.
THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING ASKED TO DO.
SO WITH THAT, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I NOTE FOR THE STAFF SIDE, STAFF IS RECKONING RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, AS PRESENTED AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:51 PM IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:51 PM ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, YOU WERE MENTIONING 120 FEET.
ASHLEY, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE.
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IS UNDER THE DATA CENTER.SO PAGE 28 OF 35 OF YOUR PACKET UNDER CONDITIONS THAT DATA CENTERS ABUTTING STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30 US 79, AND THE WILCO SOUTHEAST LOOP AS DEPICTED ON THE CITY'S ADOPTED THOROUGHFARE PLAN, ARE PERMITTED AT A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 120 FEET.
DATA CENTERS LOCATED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY SHALL ABIDE BY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE APPLICABLE DISTRICT DETERMINED, AND THAT GOES ON SOME SECTIONS.
SO ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, THEY WOULD BE ABIDING BY THE DATA TABLE UNDER TEN FOUR OH THREE FOUR TWO.
THE AND WE'RE ALSO AMENDING, SO IT'D ONLY BE THAT 60 FEET.
BUT ALONG THOSE REALLY BIG CORRIDORS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING THAT MAKES SENSE.
HAVE Y'ALL DONE RESEARCH ON THAT LATELY? BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT THEY KEEP TELLING THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT AREA IS THAT IT IS POSTPONED INDEFINITELY.
OH, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY.
SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WANTING TO PUT A LARGE BUILDING ON THAT LOOP.
'CAUSE IF THEY DO START THE NEXT, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THEY ARE GOING UP WITH BRIDGES OVER THERE.
SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS, MOST DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA BE PICKING PLACES THEY CAN GET TO EASILY.
SO IF THERE IS A DELAY IN A STREET, THAT LIKELY WOULDN'T BE WHERE THEY LOCATE.
BUT LOOKING FORWARD, KNOWING THAT, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HONESTLY THE UDC, WE HADN'T DONE IT IN OVER 10 YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET US 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD POTENTIALLY SO THAT WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT STREET, WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE ALLOWED FOR IT.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO THEN, OH, THE ROADWAY'S GOING IN, LET'S HURRY UP AND TRY TO PLAY CATCH UP.
THIS IS US JUST BEING FORWARD FOCUSED AND GETTING THOSE IN LINE.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I KNOW THAT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP CERTAINLY LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THE FULL WIDTH AND IT'S JUST WE HAVE THE FULL WIDTH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALLER ROAD RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
SO IT MAY BE THAT THEY END UP, UM, MOVING A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO I JUST WANNA VOCALIZE WHAT I THINK WILL BE OUR REALITY, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32, THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE SIX LANES, THREE GOING EACH WAY, RIGHT? 1 32 IS SEPARATING THE LENNAR COTTON BROOK DEVELOPMENT TODAY, AND THAT WILL SOON HAVE APARTMENTS, UM, NORTH OF IT AT 79 AND 1 32.
SO IF YOU CROSS OVER 1 32 AND YOU'RE AT THE MEGA SITE, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND I'M GETTING, I'M SEEING YOUR HEAD NODS.
SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE SO FAR.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THE DATA CENTER IS GONNA GO IN THE MEGA SITE.
IF I UNDERSTAND THE LOCATION OF THE FIRST DATA CENTER, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE, UM, I'M JUST QUESTIONING HOW CLOSE IN RELATION TO THESE NEW APARTMENTS, CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PRETTY LARGE 1 32 SEPARATING THE TWO MM-HMM.
BUT UM, JUST CONSIDERING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN COTTON BROOK LIVE IN CROSS CREEK RIGHT.
WHO WILL SEE THIS DATA CENTER, THIS 120 FOOT BUILDING THAT THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOME.
JUST TRYING TO PAINT A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE IN THE NEXT THREE TO HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
SO I WOULD SAY THE FIRST PART IS THAT FIRST DATA CENTER THAT WE KNOW WAS ANNOUNCED.
THAT ONE'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
SO WHAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON IS THAT ONE IS APPROVED AND IT'S KIND OF IN THAT 79 CORRIDOR ALL ALONG THERE FOR THE MEGA SITE IS WHAT WE WOULD REALLY CONSIDER THE 79 CORRIDOR.
AND THAT ONE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT WILL BE BUFFERING A SUBSTATION FROM THE REST OF THE AREA RIGHT THERE WITH THAT 1 32.
SO YOU'LL END UP WITH THE FLY OUT OR YEAH.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 32 THERE IS A, I WILL SAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 32, BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY AND 1 32 THERE IS ANOTHER INTERVENING TRACT.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 69 ACRES AND IT'S ALSO ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO IF THAT ONE WERE TO COME IN, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ANOTHER LARGE BUILDING ON IT.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE A LARGER BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
SO THE STREETS PRETTY MUCH THAT IS YOUR BUFFER AWAY FROM THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES BECAUSE YOU END UP WITH HOW MUCH RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS
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AND THE REST YOU END UP WITH ABOUT THAT.AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
SO FOR, IT'S THE URBAN BONUM PROJECT.
SO FOR THAT ONE, THE NEW USE HAS TO BUFFER ITSELF FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY IF WE GOT A DATA CENTER TO WANT TO LOCATE RIGHT THERE, THAT THERE COULD BE LARGE BUILDINGS ON THAT PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE.
UM, OTHERWISE THE ONE THAT THEY HAVE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW IS GOING IN, THAT ONE WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT THAT ONE IS R IT KIND OF FITS INTO THIS.
UM, AND THAT IT'S AWAY FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 1 32 WHERE 1 32 THEN CHANGES TO AN EAST WEST STREET.
UM, SO WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THAT ONE IS 79 RIGHT OF WAY UP RIGHT OF WAY SUBSTATION THE UM, DATA CENTER.
AND THEN I THINK AN ADDITIONAL 130 SOME ODD FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT STREET FOR THE 1 32 EAST WEST CORRIDOR IS WHAT'S PLANNED.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE UM, ADDITIONAL, I'M TRYING TO THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ON LAND USE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL ON THAT SIDE THAT WOULD BE PLANNED OUT.
I THINK THERE'S ONE HOME OVER THERE THAT I HAVE HEARD IS THEY'RE KIND OF SHOPPING ON.
UM, I KNOW I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE ASKING IF THE THAT ONE'S FOR SALE.
UM, BUT THAT CORRIDOR ITSELF IS MORE COMMERCIAL.
THE ONLY ONE THAT I WOULD BE 120 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF 1 32 WOULD BE THE ONLY THING.
BUT THEN FOR THE SIZE OF THE OVERPASS, IT REALLY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BLEND IN WITH WHAT THE OVERPASS HAS TO BE.
JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THAT 33 49 OVERPASS IS.
BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD AND EVERYTHING.
YOU HAVE TO GO SO FAR UP THAT BY THEN YOU'RE JUST, THAT'LL ALMOST BE A BLIP ON THE RADAR COMPARED TO THAT OVERPASS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THAT SIDE.
UM, BUT IT ALSO MAY THEN BE A REALLY GOOD BUFFER BETWEEN KINDA LIKE URBANA BETWEEN 79 RAILROAD BUFFER, UM, THAT 1 99 CORRIDOR UM, RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA END UP BEING UPGRADED.
BUT ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT COMES IN NOW HAS TO FOLLOW THE NEW STANDARD IF THIS WAS ADOPTED.
SO YOU WOULD END UP WITH A LOT MORE WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THAT EXISTING UH, APPROVAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF BERMING SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S GONNA BE BERMS WHERE THEY CAN PUT TREES ON TOP OF IT SO THAT THAT BUILDING'S BIG.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IT'S GONNA LOOK MASSIVE.
BUT IF YOU'RE ACROSS THE WAY, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE BERMS OR YOU ARE GONNA SEE A BUILDING.
BUT YOU'LL SEE THE BERMS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THE RUST AND THE BUILDINGS ARE SETBACK FROM THE STREET PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY MEASURES AROUND THOSE BUILDINGS.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS? UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, I BELIEVE IT'S 25.
NO, WE'RE STATING THAT AS PART OF THIS TOO, AREN'T WE? AREN'T WE INCREASING THAT TO THE SAME DISTANCE AS WHAT THE HEIGHT IS? RIGHT.
AND SO FOR SOME OF THEM, IF AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTY OR USE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONE PROPERTY OR USE SHALL PROVIDE UM, A PLANTING AREA WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH EQUAL TO THE GREATER OF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING OR THE HEIGHT OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE.
SO IT WOULD BE 60 FEET OF BUFFER.
AND I THINK THANK YOU UM, COMMISSIONER LEE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW IS ESSENTIALLY MEETING THIS.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO SAYING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH COMMERCIAL, ESPECIALLY THAT LARGER COMMERCIAL OR HOTELS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, SET IT BACK FOR THE DISTANCE THE BUILDING SET IT BACK.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE UM, IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO USES.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SQUISH EVERYTHING IN THERE ALL AT ONCE.
SO I'M, I'M THAT WELL DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
YEAH, NO, I'M GLAD COMMISSIONER STEWART BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT IS A WORRY THAT HAS GOTTEN MORE NOW THAT SHE MENTIONED THAT.
AND I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORRY WITH THE STATEMENTS OF ABETTING THOSE THREE STREETS OR THREE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE STATED.
THE THING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS FROM A VISUAL ASPECT IS WE CAN PUT BUFFER SPACE IN THERE, WE CAN PUT BERMS, BUT 120 FEET IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN AT LEAST A 10 STORY BUILDING.
UM, AND SOME OF THESE PLACES, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD PASS THIS AND I WAS THINKING OF THAT EXACT SAME PROPERTY THAT YOU SET STATED RIGHT? THEY'RE BESIDE URBANA WHERE IT HAS NOW BEEN CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS WHEN EVERYONE PURCHASED THEIR PROPERTY TO NOW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THAT NOW SOMEONE COULD TECHNICALLY GO IN AND BUILD A 10 STORY DATA CENTER BUILDING IN THAT SPACE.
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TO OBVIOUSLY BE SMALLER 'CAUSE NOW THEY HAVE TO HAVE A 60 FOOT MARRIAGE URBANA AND LENNAR DEVELOPMENTS.BUT YOU NOW HAVE A 10 STORY BUILDING THAT IS ULTIMATELY LOOKING OUT THE BACK DOOR OF MULTIPLE RESIDENCES THAT NEVER HAD THAT PLANNED.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO RETHINK THAT PIECE.
I WOULD AGREE THAT SINCE THOSE ARE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT.
AND IF IT'S TRULY IN A, I'LL USE THE NEW TERM, THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
IF IT'S IN A LARGE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AREA WHERE IT IS ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, THEN IT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I JUST HAVE A LITTLE ISSUE MAKING IT WIDE SAYING THOSE THREE STREETS ABUTTING BECAUSE THAT COULD BECOME VERY FLEXIBLE TO ALLOW THIS TO BE PUT MULTIPLE PLACES AND THEN WE NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL.
'CAUSE THEY COULD COME IN AS LONG AS IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THEY COULD COME IN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, HEY WE'RE PUTTING THIS HERE.
OH WELL THERE'S STILL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT BESIDE YOU AND BEHIND YOU.
BUT WE CAN STILL PUT THIS HERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS.
SO I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MY WORRY.
AND I THINK THAT AGREED KIND OF CORRESPONDS TO COMMISSIONER STEWART'S WORRY THAT WE WANT IT TO MAKE, WE WANT TO MAKE THE CODE EASIER, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE TO WANT TO MOVE OR STAY HERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REWORD IT BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE IS YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN STATE, LIKE YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS IF YOU'RE LIKE NOT BUFFERING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING OR I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN REALLY STATE THAT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DOUBLE HEIGHT.
BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE THAT LARGE WORRY.
MAINLY LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE OF THAT ONE PROPERTY I KNOW OF SO FAR.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF PROBABLY MORE THAN A DOZEN THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THE EXACT SAME THING.
AND THEN I CAN TELL YOU ON THAT ONE PROPERTY, THE 69 ISH ACRES THAT'S STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S NOT ZONED, THAT AREA WAS HISTORICALLY ALWAYS AN EMPLOYMENT AREA OR INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UM, AND THEN URBANA CAME IN AND IT ACTUALLY WAS CHANGED.
SO URBANA IS SITTING ON PROPERTY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INDUSTRIAL AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL THERE'S MERITAGE SO THIS MAKES MORE SENSE.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY HAD COME IN FOR ANNEXATION AND ORIGINAL ZONING AND THEY WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT SITE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT IS, IS THAT SITE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCY TO NOT ONLY RESIDENTIAL DIRECTLY ADJACENT ON THE WEST SIDE? OR IS IT NOT CONDUCIVE BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE? I WOULD AGREE, BUT WE CAN'T ARBITRARILY JUST DECIDE THAT WE'RE GONNA REZONE THAT 1 69 ACRES TO WELL SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, IT WOULD JUST BE BASED ON WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS AS FAR AS GETTING A RECOMMENDATION OUT OF STAFF.
UM, WELL, AND AND TO, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE SOUTH LOOP, WE'VE CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND SO IF THE MAP SHOWS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT'S NOW SINGLE FAMILY AND RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS A POTENTIAL DATA CENTER MM-HMM.
BY THE TIME EVERYTHING STARTS KIND OF MOVING, I WOULD BE AFRAID THAT WE APPROVE A DATA CENTER AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING THESE HOUSES.
SO I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE DATA CENTERS ARE, YOU'RE WANTING TO, OUTSIDE OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, I DON'T KNOW WHERE OTHER POTENTIAL ONES ARE GOING FOR THE MAJORITY.
I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST MEGASITE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL, THAT'S WHERE THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE IS UM, COULD POTENTIALLY GO ON THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE.
WE DO HAVE EMPLOYMENT CORRIDORS ALL UP AND DOWN ONE 30 ON THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IF WE'RE STICKING TO WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS, WE ARE NO LONGER SWITCHING OR PLACING INDUSTRIAL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT SAYING, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S PUT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WE HAD CALLED INDUSTRIAL.
UNLESS WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT BUFFERING USE AS FAR AS LIKE ONE OF THE URBANA PROJECTS, THAT'S A GREAT INTERMEDIATE USE BETWEEN THE RAILROAD AND INTERMEDIATE USE STREET AND THEN THE MARRIAGE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT'S PROTECTS US A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ONLY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THINGS
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LIKE THAT AND THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT YOU STILL GET THE RECOMMENDATION IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND SAY, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE EMPLOYMENT, I WANT THIS TO BE FULLY RESIDENTIAL.NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WELL WHAT'S AROUND YOU? WHAT ARE THESE THINGS? UM, AT THE SAME TIME WITH ABOUT A 60 FOOT SETBACK, THAT'S ABOUT THE DISTANCE, I WANNA SAY.
UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE, SO FOR 120 FEET, IF YOU'RE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, YOUR SETBACK WOULD BE 120 FEET.
AND THAT IS ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CLOSEST BUILDING TO EMORY FARMS TO THE BACK FENCE LINE.
SO IT'S THAT DISTANCE THAT YOU WOULD SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS A DISTANCE.
NOW I WILL SAY THAT WOULD BE, LET'S SAY ON THAT ONE TRACK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S 120 FEET AWAY FROM THAT SHARED PROPERTY LINE FROM THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S NEXT TO IT.
AGAIN, THE SMALL DIFFERENCE THOUGH IS I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S NO BUILDING ON TITAN THAT IS 120 FEET TALL THOUGH.
PROBABLY BARELY EVEN 60 FOOT TALL.
SO YOU'RE DOUBLING THE HEIGHT FOR THAT SAME DISTANCE.
THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE ALL AROUND 45.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CODE IS RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE OVER DOUBLING THE HEIGHT.
YOU'RE ALMOST THREE TIMES WITH THE SAME BUFFER THAT WE ARE NOW TRYING TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING TREES THERE TO HELP WITH THE VISUALS.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS, IT'S MAINLY JUST THOSE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THE 120 FEET ADDITIONAL STIPULATION IS THERE.
I'M GUESSING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT DATA CENTER GOING IN AS WANTING TO BUILD TALLER THAN 60 FEET AND OTHER POTENTIAL ONES AS WELL.
IT IS BECAUSE DATA CENTERS ARE ACTUALLY ONLY FOUR STORIES.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE INSIDE MM-HMM.
BUT THERE ARE ONLY FOUR STORIES.
AND SO IT REALLY IS TAILORED TO THAT SPECIFIC USE THAT WE NEVER CONTEMPLATED.
UM, WELL WHAT TYPE OF DATA CENTER IS IT? BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS.
AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RACKS THAT THEIR SERVERS ARE IN AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY LIKE SEVEN FEET.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO COOL YOUR RACKS.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS HOW BIG OF DATA CENTERS ARE WE GONNA PERMIT? YEAH.
IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS ARE LIKE THE, THE DATA 2 MILLION SQUARE FEET MINIMUM, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE DATA CENTERS DOWN ON RUNDBERG ARE NOT 120 FEET TALL.
AND YOU CAN HAVE SMALLER, BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE DATA CENTERS THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT ARE THE LATEST AND GREATEST, THEY ARE ABOUT 120 FEET TALL.
I'D RATHER STICK THE 120 FEET TALL ONES OVER ON ONE 30 IN INNOVATION AREA WHERE THERE'S NO HOUSES.
AND I THINK THE PROBLEM THOUGH, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME THINKING, IT'S ALL BASED ON ZONING.
SO IF WE'RE SAYING SPECIFICALLY THAT LIKE ANYWHERE THAT THERE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THE 60 FEET.
OF COURSE WHAT WE'RE DICTATING HERE IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN THESE THREE SPECIFIC CORRIDOR PLACES, YOU CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING THAT WE CAN'T PUT PUT 120 FOOT HEIGHTS IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT WHERE AGREED.
JUST BECAUSE I'M EVEN LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THAT ENTIRE MEGA SITE, ALMOST EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH OF CR 1 32, WHERE 1 32 CURRENTLY IS, IS NEIGHBORHOODS MM-HMM.
SO HOWEVER IT'S NOT STANDARD NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S WHERE WE WENT INTO THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL MIX.
THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT WITH THE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS CONCEPT, THERE IS STILL NO STIPULATION THAT IT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE ROADWAY.
IT COULD ACTUALLY PUT MULTIFAMILY DIRECTLY UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY OR SINGLE FAMILY UP AGAINST THE ROADWAY.
THE COMMERCIAL COULD BE INTERNAL.
SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M ONLY BRINGING UP THIS WORRY BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY CITIZENS MULTIPLE TIMES IS BASED ON VISUALS.
I MEAN WE WERE GONNA PUT A WHAT, THREE STORY HOTEL WAS IT THREE STORY HOTEL? I THINK SO.
AND WE ARGUED FOREVER BECAUSE THERE WERE GONNA BE WINDOWS FROM THE HOTEL THAT COULD BE SEEN FROM RESIDENCES BEHIND IT.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE BUFFER IS MUCH SMALLER THERE, BUT, SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE NOW THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN A POTENTIAL 10 STORY BUILDING IN COMPARISON THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS WITH RESIDENTIAL.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF THAT.
I JUST, AND WITH ALL THE SMART PEOPLE HERE, MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO WORD THAT CONDITION, BUT I WOULD WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE SPECIFIC ROADWAY ABUTTING LANGUAGE.
SO I, I LIKE THE CALLING OUT OF A DATA CENTER USE.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT IN MM-HMM.
SO WE NEED A DATA CENTER USE IN HERE.
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UM, MY CONCERN IS VERY SIMILAR THAT 120 FOOT, YOU KNOW, I, I GREW UP IN A TOWN WITH MEAT PACKING PLANTS THAT WERE A HUNDRED AND YOU KNOW, THEY WERE 12 FEET OR 12 STORIES TALL.AND NOW THAT THAT COMPANY HAS BEEN ACQUIRED AND BOUGHT AND SOLD AND DIVVIED UP AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THE MUNICIPALITY IS LEFT GOING, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS MONSTROUS BUILDING? AND IT HAS BECOME A BURDEN ON THE ENTIRE MUNICIPALITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS 12 STORY BUILDING.
AND I DON'T WANT US TO SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THESE, THESE LANES ARE GOOD ENOUGH.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER CATEGORY OF INDUSTRIAL, CALL IT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, CALL IT DATA CENTER INDUSTRIAL WHATEVER, BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND YOU HAVE A MONSTER BUILDING SURROUNDED BY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THEN MAYBE THAT IS SURROUNDED BY NEW NEIGHBORHOOD OR MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER.
BUT THEN WE'VE GOT A TRANSITION FROM A TRULY INDUSTRIAL SITE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING IT CAN EVER BE USED FOR IS INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN IT'S GRADUALLY COMING DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND IT'S NOT A HARD TRANSITION AT ANY POINT IN THERE.
SO WE DO HAVE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE ON THAT FEATURE LAND USE MAP.
AND IT WAS ONLY PUT ON THE MEGA SITE.
AND THE MEGA SITE HAS BEEN PLANNED FOR INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL SINCE I BELIEVE 2006.
AND THEN, UM, I KNOW FOR THE OTHER LOT THE 69 ACRES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS PLANNED OUT.
IT WAS WHEN THAT ORIGINAL APPLICATION CAME IN, IT WAS DONE AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL FEATURE LAND USE MAP SHOWED IS NOW SHOWN AS GENERAL OR CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANNEX THAT 69 ACRES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ADD THIS IN BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITHOUT A LOT OF STEPS AT THAT POINT.
AND AND IF THAT 69 ACRES OVER BY URBANA IN BETWEEN 1 32 ET CETERA, IF THAT WAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THEY HAD THE 60 FOOT CAP, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE.
SO IT'S NOT, IT WOULD ONLY EVER BE COMMERCIAL.
IT'S CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL ON THE NEW LAND USE MAP.
SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THEY BEEN ABLE, HAD THEY NOT PULLED BACK, IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL POTENTIALLY AT THIS POINT.
BUT NOW IT WOULD JUST BE, UM, THE ONLY THING THEY WOULD GET BY RIGHT.
BUT THEN I'VE HEARD ONE 30 AND INNOVATION AREA.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID NOT THE INNOVATION CORRIDOR.
SO ONE 30 CORRIDOR WOULD NOT CROSS OVER THAT NEXT STREET.
BUT THEN IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE ALONG ONE 30, THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT, THAT UH, GRADUAL SLOPE INTO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THE SAME SORT OF THING COULD BE DONE ALONG, UH, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
BUT WE NEED TO KIND OF SET THAT ASIDE.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THE ONLY REASON THAT THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYMENT ON IT EXCEPT FOR UP TOWARDS THE MEGA SITE.
IT WAS MOSTLY CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN THERE IS A PIECE OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP THAT WILL TOUCH THE MEGA SITE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE THAT 79 UM, SOUTHEAST LOOP INTERCHANGE THAT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN.
UM, SINCE WE DO HAVE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE, ONE OPTION WOULD JUST BE TO SAY DATA CENTERS ARE ALLOWED AND THEY HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE AND WE WOULD UNDO THE CORRIDORS.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE SH ONE 30 'CAUSE WE CAN'T, IT WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE.
OR MAYBE WE JUST TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE UDC REWRITE BECAUSE THAT WOULD CREATE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REDO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO ADD IN MORE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS EVER CONTEMPLATED ALONG ONE 30.
WE'RE JUST SAYING IN THOSE EMPLOYMENT AREAS OR IN THOSE AREAS, WHAT WE KNOW WE HAVE THOSE ELEVATED ROADWAY ROADWAYS THAT ARE UM, THAT WE COULD PUT IN A USE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S QUIET, IT'S FOUR INTERNAL STORIES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A 12 FOOT OR 12 STORY PACKING PLANT.
WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GET A DATA CENTER OF THAT SIZE.
WHICH IS NOT LIKE, UM, THE EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT A HOTEL WITH HABITABLE WINDOWS LOOKING INTO SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
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WINDOWS BUT MAYBE 10 EMPLOYEES TOPS.SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE OF LIKE, IT'S JUST A VERY LOW USE.
AND SO IF WE WANTED, INSTEAD OF THE, INSTEAD OF DOING THE CORRIDORS, I WOULD SAY WE COULD JUST SAY IN THE AREA THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS ALLOWED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND I'M GOOD, LIKE I SAID, I'M GOOD WITH 60 FOOT MM-HMM.
BUT THE 120 FOOT, I'M, I'M LIKE YEAH, THAT TO ME JUST PLOPPING THAT DOWN.
YOU KNOW, THE CORNER OF INNOVATION AND LIMMER, THAT AIN'T GONNA WORK, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THERE.
THAT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, ISN'T IT? INNOVATION AND LIMMER? NO, SHE'S SAYING TO CHANGE IT TO JUST IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH THE PROBLEM, I WON'T SAY IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS HARD TO READ IN A PDF BY THE WAY, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT IN GIS SOON.
IT IS A GIS IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THE MAP LIST ANYMORE.
THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE NEW MAP THAT HAS ALL THE LAYERS ON IT.
YOU'LL HAVE TO SHOW ME THAT LATER.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, THE ONLY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL I SEE ON HERE IS THE MEGASITE AT THE CURRENT MOMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SO IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME FOR A REZONING.
CORRECT? UM, UNLESS IT WAS ALREADY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO STILL COME THROUGH.
NO, IF WE'RE, IF WE SPECIFYING THAT IT, THIS WILL ONLY WORK FOR THE CONDITION NOW IS THE 120 FEET CAN ONLY BE ALLOWED IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREAS PER FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO EVEN IF IT'S ALREADY ZONED THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS.
LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE NOT ZONING CATEGORIES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AT THIS POINT.
SO YOU COULD SAY THAT DATA CENTERS COULD GO IN THE MEGA SITE AND THEN THE REFERENCE TO IT, INSTEAD OF THE CORRIDOR REFERENCE WOULD BE THE LAND USE AREA THAT'S AS DEPICTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO WE WOULD DICTATE BASED ON, IT CAN ONLY APPLY TO THE LAND USE AREA OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PER THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING THERE IS IF SOMETHING CURRENTLY IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE ALONG ONE 30, THAT IS NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SO HOW WOULD THEY THEN GO ABOUT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE REQUEST.
IF THEY WOULD WANT TO THEN CHANGE THAT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND THEN ALLOW 120 FOOT HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN SAY, WHY DO I WANT TO CHANGE IT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL? MM-HMM.
WELL IF YOU WANNA CHANGE IT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL FOR DATA CENTER, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE THINKING THAT'S BETTER SPATIALLY.
AND GRANTED, AND KEEP IN MIND TOO, THIS IS MORE OF JUST THAT KIND OF, WE NEED TO GET THESE THINGS IN THE CODE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE HAPPENING.
AND WE CAN STILL DISCUSS OR FURTHER DEFINE OUT WHAT DOES THAT CORRIDOR LOOK LIKE.
DO WE WANNA GO TO CORRIDORS ONCE WE HAVE MM-HMM
MAYBE WE DO SAY OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE THIS FAR APART OR HAVE THE VISUALS ON HAND TO SAY THIS IS WHAT 120 FEET ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UM, BECAUSE IF IT, HONESTLY, IF SOMEBODY IS DEVELOPING IN AN AREA, I MEAN WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE THAT PEOPLE PUT UP PROBLEMS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN PLANNED AS INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE LIKE, WHAT? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT TRY TO FIT? UM, AND OUR THING WAS, LET'S PUT IT ALONG THOSE MASSIVE CORRIDORS, KNOWING THAT ON THAT FEATURE LAND USE MAP, THE UM, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP, THE ONLY PORTION THAT REALLY TOUCHES ANYTHING THAT'S TRULY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, 'CAUSE IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW TRULY IS UP TOWARDS THE MEGASITE FOR 79.
IT'S REALLY THE MEGASITE AREA THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING SHOWN MM-HMM.
AND THEN ON ONE 30 WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS OVER THERE.
SO, BUT THE ONE 30 CORRIDOR ISN'T INNOVATION TO EMORY.
AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ON THE FAR PART OF THE, UM, SOUTH LOOP CORRIDOR.
SO THAT'S IN THOSE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, ON THOSE LIKE LARGER AREAS.
SO WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS JUST SAY, OKAY, IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE GONNA DOT OUT EVERY INTERSECTION HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL AND WE'RE GONNA DOT OUT ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE UP TO DEVELOPERS TO THEN DO THE VILLAGE ON VILLAGE VILLAGE WITHIN VILLAGES CONCEPT AND REALLY GET THOSE WALKABLE, UM, AREAS WHERE YOU REALLY ARE LOOKING MORE AT 50% COMMERCIAL, 50% SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH PRICE POINTS, THE STEREOTYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE HOUSES AND HOUSES AND HOUSES AND THAT'S IT FOR FOREVER.
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I THINK YOU'RE MORE SO GONNA SEE KIND OF WHAT MEADOWBROOK BROUGHT TO YOU AS, AND EVEN THEN MORE COMMERCIAL ON THAT.BUT IT'S, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OF THESE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME GREEN SPACE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE TOWNHOMES AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE OTHER USES AND BUILT INTO THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PARKS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAILS AND HERE'S SOME WALKABLE COMMERCIAL THAT YOU CAN GET TO.
UM, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
EVEN HONESTLY I THINK RSI IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST THING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD EXEMPLIFY THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
THEY ALSO HAVE COMMERCIAL BUILT INTO IT.
THEY HAVE THE WALKABILITY, THEY HAVE THAT MASSIVE TRAIL SYSTEM AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING.
AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TOWN HOMES AND SOME OF 'EM ARE ATTACHED AND SOME OF 'EM AREN'T ATTACHED.
AND THEN THEY'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WE'RE THINKING WHEN YOU JUST LOOK, BECAUSE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE YELLOW THAT WE USED TO HAVE.
PEOPLE JUST THINK, OH, IT'S JUST HOUSES.
IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE HOUSES ANYMORE.
AND I, AND I TOTALLY GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT GOING BACK TO, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, STEWART'S MOTION.
SO LET'S SAY THAT A DEVELOPER COMES AND THEY BUY PROPERTY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AREA AND THEY DECIDE TO MAKE IT AN INTERNAL WHERE THE COMMERCIAL'S INSIDE AND THEN THE HOUSE IS AROUND THE OUTSIDE.
AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES TO THE, THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 120 STORY OR 120 FOOT BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AND THEN A MONTH LATER THE THE DATA CENTER WANTS TO COME RIGHT THERE.
SO NOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE DEVELOPED A PLACE WITH THE HOUSE BUTTING UP AGAINST THAT ROAD, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DATA CENTER RIGHT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
BUT HOW FAR IS THE DATA CENTER ACTUALLY GOING TO BE FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL? HOW MANY FEET? 120 FEET.
THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST IT COULD BE TO A SHARED PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, ALMOST HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD? NO, NO FOOTBALL FIELD'S.
WHAT, 300 FEET? IT'S, IT'S YARD.
YEAH, I'M NOT SO YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT A, A LITTLE OVER A THIRD OF A FOOTBALL FIELD,
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT CHANGE.
THIS DATA CENTER COULD ONE DAY HOUSE THE DATA FROM OUR OWN PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, THE DATA FOR THE CITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN AUSTIN, NOT TOO LONG AGO, THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BUILD ANYTHING TALLER THAN THE CAPITOL.
NOW LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? THAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO WHAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO.
WE'VE GOT TO MOVE WITH THE FUTURE.
BUT LIKE, LIKE COMMISSIONER STEWART WAS SAYING IS IF I BUY MY HOUSE THINKING THAT I MIGHT HAVE A 45 FOOT BUILDING BEHIND ME, FINE.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK GOING BEHIND ME AND HU'S TOP THING IS 45 FEET.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SITTING HERE AND THEN FIVE YEARS LATER MY HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL UPSIDE DOWN ON MY HOUSE SO I CAN'T SELL IT.
AND THEN THEY BUILD 120 FOOT TALL BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND ME.
SO NOW I'M UPSET THAT I THOUGHT I WAS NEVER GONNA HAVE ANYTHING OVER 45 FEET.
AND NOW I HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S THREE TIMES THAT SIZE BEHIND ME.
EVEN IF IT'S 120 FEET SET BACK, IT'S STILL RIGHT BEHIND ME.
BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE WHAT, FIVE YEARS TO BUILD THAT BUILDING.
I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN, AT LEAST WHAT THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, THERE'S LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT FOR MULTIFAMILY HOMES.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY COULD, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, Y'ALL, BUT WE, THEY COULD, BASED OFF OF HOW IT IS TODAY, POTENTIALLY HAVE A DATA CENTER THAT IS BUILT RIGHT AFTER THEIR HOME IS BUILT.
AND THAT'S BUDDING UP TO TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, WERE BUILT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
SO ALL OF THESE ARE NEW BUILD HOMES, NOT ANTICIPATING HAVING A DATA CENTER BE YOUR NEIGHBOR.
SO I CAN SEE HAVING THE DATA CENTER BE 120 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 32 WHEN IT IS THE SIX LANES.
BUT I, I DON'T SEE IT, UM, SITTING WELL WITH PEOPLE IF IT'S ON THE SIDE WHERE ALL OF THE HOMES ARE, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF LARGE STRUCTURE FROM ANY TYPE OF BEING, SHARING, BEING THE NEIGHBOR, RIGHT.
LIKE
AND SO COMMISSIONER, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO.
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, NOW THAT AREA DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO URBANA BECAUSE OF URBANA AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS IN THE COMP PLAN WAS LET'S STOP PUTTING INDUSTRIAL DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S BEEN CHANGED OUT TO CORRIDOR COMMERCIALS.
SO YOU COULDN'T GET A DATA CENTER ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF 1 32 PER THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO TO VERIFY WHAT YOU SAID A WHILE AGO THOUGH, OKAY, THAT
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PIECE OF PROPERTY CAME UP IN THE PAST YEAR TO GET APPROVED TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.IT WAS A MEETING I MISSED 'CAUSE I WAS PLANNING TO VOCALIZE ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU SAID THAT HAS BEEN PULLED NOW.
SO THERE IS NO MORE AGREEMENT.
THERE IS NO REQUEST TO ANNEX AND ZONE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
SO IT IS STILL, SO IT'S STILL NOT ANNEX.
THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN LIEU.
SO THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY AT THE MOMENT THAT IT CAN BECOME DIRECT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BECOME THE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL.
AND SO WHEN ALL OF THAT CAME THROUGH, IT WAS PROBABLY, GOSH, IT WAS A YEAR, I THINK IT WAS OVER A YEAR.
'CAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS A, OVER A YEAR AGO, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WAS ADOPTED.
AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL THEY CAME IN FIRST AND THEY BEAT US TO THE ADOPTION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THE OLD ONE PRIOR WAS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RIGHT THERE.
AND WE HAD STARTED TO, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY HOW URBANA HAPPENS.
WE'RE LIKE, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RIGHT ACROSS FROM THESE HOMES THAT WE ADDED.
AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK MERITAGE WAS ORIGINALLY ALSO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SOMETHING.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL HERE WE GO.
WE'RE JUST GONNA EXPAND THAT OUT.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE THING WITH THIS NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS, OKAY, WELL THEN FIX IT ON THIS NEW MAP.
AND SO IT'S ONLY CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO IT.
SO EVERYTHING ACROSS FROM MERITAGE AND THE NAR DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL UNTIL YOU GET TO 1 32.
AND 1 32 REALLY IS THAT DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN HERE'S THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND HERE'S EVERYTHING NEW.
SO YOU WILL HAVE THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT LIKE, WELL HOW DO YOU BUFFER THAT? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORKS? AND THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT FOR THEM.
SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN LIKE THE THE DATA CENTER, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING UP.
ANYBODY AROUND THERE, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING UP.
UM, AND THEN ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S WHERE I WAS LIKE, WELL WE COULD JUST LIMIT IT GEOGRAPHICALLY TO THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THE MEGA SITE AND WE CAN REVISIT, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE? DO WE FEEL THAT THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE? IS THIS A LANDSCAPING THING? IS THIS THIS WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE HOLISTIC CODE? 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY MORE SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE FINDING THOSE, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU ON SOME OF THESE VALUATIONS, I MEAN $5 BILLION OF VALUE ADDED TO THE CITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SPACE FOR IS HOW DO WE THEN ALSO, ONE OF THE OTHER CAVEATS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS HOW DO WE MAINTAIN FISCAL, HOW ARE WE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE? AND ALSO LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE AND THEN FUTURE PROOFING THE CITY SO THAT WE HAVE THAT TAX BASE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL.
'CAUSE ALWAYS WE'RE HAVING RESIDENTIAL ISN'T GONNA PAY ALL THE BILLS.
AND SO HOW DO WE GET THOSE OTHER ONES IN HERE AND HOW DO WE DO IT REASONABLY SO FULL ON POINT.
I MEAN IF IT'S TOO EARLY FOR THE QUARTERS BECAUSE WE JUST HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH, THAT WOULD BE WHERE I'D BE LIKE, WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THEN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION THAT'S REALLY ONLY THE, THE MEGA SITE.
AND WE CAN DO THAT AND JUST SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW AND IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY THINGS IS WHY DON'T WE JUST DO INNOVATION? AND I WAS LIKE, NO.
'CAUSE THERE'S A RES WHO, THERE'S A RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN THEY'RE TRUE AND MM-HMM.
UM, NO, I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK I, I WOULD, I AGREE MULTIPLE WAYS.
I'M, I WAS JUST VERIFYING WITH THAT ONE PROPERTY, WHICH I'M GOOD WITH NOW, THAT THEY CANNOT COME IN AND DO THIS.
UM, BUT I AGREE WITH, WITH CHAIR BOYER, LIKE WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE FUTURE.
THE FUTURE'S HERE, WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO IT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I THINK WE WOULD GO WITH THE, UM, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CONDITION INSTEAD.
BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT THAT REALLY DOES ONLY APPLY TO THE MEGA SITE.
AND LIKE WE SAID, OTHERS CAN COME IN AND REQUEST A FUTURE LAND USE, UM, CHANGE IF NEEDED FOR SOME OTHER LOCATION.
AND THEN WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM TO POTENTIALLY BUILD 120 FOOT BUILDING.
AND THAT ALSO MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE UDC, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WRITING WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WELL THEN DATA CENTERS HAVE TO BE VI LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE 500 FEET WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR OR FROM THE EDGE OF RIGHT OF WAY OF THAT CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THE FULL DISTANCE.
LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST PICK ANYWHERE YOU WANT ON THAT CORRIDOR.
YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN THIS MANY FEET OF THAT CORRIDOR.
BECAUSE EVEN ON ONE 30 WE HAVE HOMES.
THERE'S, I MEAN IF THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF LIMMER AND ONE 30, THAT'S HOMES MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE DO START LOOKING THOSE DISTANCES.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK IF WE SAY OKAY, GEOGRAPHICALLY INSTEAD OF A CORRIDOR YEP.
THE DATA CENTERS WITHIN THE AREA SHOWN AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THE SOAR 2040 FEATURE LAND USE MAP WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
BUT YOU, YOU SAID A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMING IN WANTING 60 FEET ONES.
SO NORMAL INDUSTRIAL, WE ARE ASKING ALWAYS TO GO TO 60 FEET.
THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE.
THAT IT REALLY, THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING
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ABLE TO BUILD A 40 TO 45 FOOT BUILDING AND THEN A 55 TO 60, EVEN IF YOU JUST HAVE THE PARAPETS TO BE ABLE TO HIDE THE AMOUNT OF HVAC YOU HAVE TO HAVE UP THERE.AND WHEN, I WOULDN'T MIND A 60 FOOT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA.
AND SO THAT'S SEPARATE TO THE DATA CENTER CENTER, THAT'S STILL OKAY.
I JUST DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THE 60 FOOT PART TOO
IT'S NOT IN COMMERCIAL OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S, WELL, AND I WILL SAY IT'S IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL, WE RARELY HAVE ANYTHING OWNED INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK I KNOW OF ONE LOCATION AND IT'S IN A P IT'S IN, IT'S WHERE UM, TEX MIX MOVED TO AND WHERE THE YOUNG, THE MASSIVE YOUNG BUG CENTER IS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT EVEN ALLOWS FOR SOME HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS OUR INDUSTRIAL USE, UM, ZONING CATEGORY.
SO MOST THINGS HERE ARE ZONE JUST LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WHICH I THINK IS GONNA BE A MUCH MORE FUN TOPIC WHEN WE GET INTO THE UDC.
SO LIKE THE HOTEL THAT'S LOOKING INTO BACK MM-HMM.
BACKYARDS IS NOT GOING TO BE 60 FEET.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE 45 FEET.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, THAT'S COMMERCIAL RIGHT THERE.
IT'S ON UM, PAGE 28 OF 35, YOU'LL SEE ON THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT'S UNDERNEATH THE SECTION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT TEN THREE OH EIGHT POINT, 13.3 IS THAT WE CAN CHANGE DATA CENTERS AND JUST SAY WITHIN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CLASSIFICATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, AND INSTEAD OF AS DEPICTED ON THE CITY SEPARATE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT'D BE AS IT DEPICTED IN OSA 2040, UM, ARE PERMITTED AT THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
SO IT WOULD REALLY GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINE THAT FOR EVERYBODY DOWN TO THAT ONE SPACE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THAT 60 FEET IS THEN SHOWN ON THAT CHART AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE WHERE THE 45 IS CROSSED OUT FOR ONLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL WITH 60 FEET.
I WILL TELL YOU, JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, IF SOMEONE WANTED 60 FEET AND THEY WERE DOING A COMMERCIAL PUD, THEY COULD ASK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GIVEN.
SO IF SONY WANTED TO DO 60 FEET BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING THIS AMAZING HOTEL OR SOMETHING AND IT WAS IN A PUD AND SOME OTHER THINGS, THEN THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING TO THAT POINT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS A LOT MORE OF STAFF REVIEW ON THOSE PUDS OF, BUT WHY DO YOU AND THOSE WOULD COME BACK TO US BECAUSE THEY WERE COMMERCIAL NOT CORRECT.
SO THOSE, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PUD THAT COMES TO YOU, THAT GOES TO PLANNING, I'M SORRY, IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THOSE TWO READINGS.
SO THAT IS A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THAT'S EVERYBODY WITHIN 600 FEET BEING NOTICED THAT LIKE, HEY, WE'VE, THIS IS A COOL DEVELOPMENT BUT THIS MIGHT BE THE IMPACT.
OR WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS LIKE MAYBE THAT IS A REALLY COOL CENTER.
I MEAN YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE AREAS IN AND AROUND THE DOMAIN AREA OR EVEN THE SOUTH AUSTIN, THERE ARE SOME 60 FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR 60 FOOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE THOSE LARGER MULTIFAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDOS.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE THINGS MUCH LARGER THAN 60 FEET IN DOWNTOWN AUSTIN NOW.
UM, AND MUCH LARGER THAN THE CAPITOL EVEN ON THE VIEW CORRIDORS.
UM, SO I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL GET THERE.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ALONG THE HIGHWAYS.
THEY WENT UP TO 15 FEET OR 15 STORIES BY RIGHT.
ALONG THOSE HIGHWAYS I JUST, I MEAN I WAS LIKE, WHEW, COLLECT YOUR PEARLS.
BUT I ALSO LOOK AT ARE WE READY FOR THAT? DO WE PLAN FOR THAT? NOW ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS I THINK ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE WITHIN THAT UDC, BUT FOR NOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I THINK WE PROBABLY DID, UM, JUMP THE GUN ON THE CORRIDOR IDEA.
'CAUSE WE'RE LIKE, HOW DO YOU GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINE THAT? YEAH.
UM, BUT IF WE GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINE IT BASED ON THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE, THEN IT DOES KEEP IT AWAY FROM ANY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN 1 32 IS SUCH A LARGE SWATH ON THAT EAST WEST THAT, THAT, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY IS ANOTHER SIX LANE ROADWAY.
UM, THAT, THAT IN ITSELF IS A FAIRLY LARGE BUFFER AWAY FROM ANYTHING ELSE.
BETWEEN THOSE AND THAT 1 32 OVERPASS IS A GREAT DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE MORE INTENSE USES AS WE GET CLOSER TO SAMSUNG.
I THINK COMMISSIONER LEE AGREED TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDED.
I MOVE, I MOVE TO ACCEPT ITEM 4.5 WITH AMENDMENTS AS WRITTEN WITH ONE EXCEPTION OF CHANGING 10.308 POINT 13.3 CONDITIONED VERBIAGE TO STATE DATA CENTERS WITHIN HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USE PER FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE PERMITTED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 120 FEET DATA CENTERS LOCATED ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY SHALL ABIDE BY THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE APPLICABLE DISTRICT DETERMINED IN SECTION TEN THREE FOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE.
CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT TO SAY THAT IT'S AS DEPICTED IN THE SOAR 2040
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PLAN? I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, ASHLEY WAS INDICATING INSTEAD OF THE ADOPTED THOROUGHFARE PLAN.NO, I I STATED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
NO, MY REQUEST FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT
I WILL SECOND THAT A GOOD CATCH.
BUT WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
UM, I HAVE SOME GREAT NEWS FOR YOU AND I APOLOGIZE IF I START COUGHING A LITTLE BIT.
THIS, UM, I'LL LET JUNIPER, CEDAR, WHATEVER IS GETTING ME THIS MONTH.
UM, WE HAVE SOME FUN STUFF COMING UP ON THE 25TH OF THE MONTH.
WE HAVE POSTED THE JOINT MEETING OF COUNCIL AND P AND Z, WHICH I BELIEVE RICK, OR YOU HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES IN MY TENURE HERE THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A JOINT MEETING WITH COUNCIL.
I NEVER ONE, IT'S IT'S THE FIRST ONE.
SO I WAS LIKE, MAN, WE HAVEN'T, SINCE I'VE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS LIKE WE DID THE BUDGET MEETINGS.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE A JOINT MEETING.
SO NOT ONLY IS THAT EXCITING, BUT WE'RE ALSO, IT'S REALLY ONE OF THE FIRST KICKOFFS TO HAVE THIS GROUP AND CITY COUNCIL DISCUSS WITH OUR, UM, OUR THIRD PARTIES WITH THE UDC TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS THIS AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE OUR GOALS? WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? LET'S GET SOME, AND I THINK A LOT OF TIME GET THAT DIRECTION UP FRONT SO THAT WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT IS EXPECTED AND, AND WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ALSO, WHAT SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND WE CAN HEAR THAT FROM THEM.
AND THEN THERE'S THAT DISCOURSE ALSO BACK FROM THE COMMISSION OF, WELL THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING.
UM, AND SO THAT IS GONNA BE REALLY EXCITING.
AND BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF MEETINGS, UM, AS LONG AS WE CAN HAVE AN IN-PERSON QUORUM, WHICH IS FOR PEOPLE, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN ATTEND BUT YOU CAN'T BE IN PERSON AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FOUR PERSON QUORUM, WE WILL HAVE A TEAMS LINK SO THAT WE CAN UM, LINK YOU IN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN DOING FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE EDC.
SO WE ARE GOING TO OFFER THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD YOU AND I KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS YEAR.
AND SO TRYING TO GET THAT A LITTLE BIT OF BALANCE AND CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MEETINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T ATTEND.
UM, AND WE WILL TRY TO RECORD THEM AND GET OTHER THINGS AND, AND GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED.
THE NEXT ONE IS THAT ON THE 30TH, UM, THERE WILL BE A MEETING OF THE CAPITAL ADVISORY, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS ALSO YOU JUST UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME.
UM, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY THE CIP PLANNING PROCESS 1 0 1.
UM, AND TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST THE CIP UPCOMING, BUT ALSO, AND THAT MIGHT BE REALLY JUST A MINOR THING BECAUSE REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING INTO A WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLANNING UPDATE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE, I THINK TALKING TO THE, UM, OUR CONSULTANTS.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, BUT ALSO REALLY HEARING FROM YOU WHAT, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA HEAR? HOW MUCH IN THE WEEDS DO YOU WANNA BE? UM, LET'S TAILOR THIS TO YOU SO YOU GET, WE'RE GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO FEEL THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT TRUE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, ON TOP OF THAT, I WILL SAY THAT THE LAST TIME WE DID REALLY THE FIRST C THE MASSIVE CIP THAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE WERE HERE ALL NIGHT, WE WERE TRYING TO BREAK THAT UP INTO MORE BITE-SIZED PIECES.
SO NONE OF US HAVE TO BE HERE UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
UM, BUT IF WE THINK THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LATE NIGHT, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, IN THE BUDGET I DID MAKE SPACE SO THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO BUY SOME DINNER OR SOMETHING.
SO AT LEAST IF THAT'S THE CASE AND WE KNOW THAT I WILL FEED YOU THIS TIME
UM, AND CERTAINLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BREAK THAT UP INTO THOSE LITTLE BITE-SIZED PIECES.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, WE KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WE HAVE TO GET DONE WITH THE UDC REWRITE, THE ENGINEERING MANUAL WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, AND A CIP.
UM, GOING INTO BUDGET YEAR, THIS IS GONNA BE A FUN YEAR, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA BE SUCH A WEALTH OF INFORMATION WHILE THE UDC IS BEING WRITTEN AND REALLY LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE OF HATO AND HOW THAT'S BEING SHAPED.
I THINK THAT'S SUPER EXCITING.
SO IF YOU CANNOT MAKE IT, CERTAINLY ALWAYS EMAIL ME AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE FOUR QUORUM, UM, WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.
I DO NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THE CIAC BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THE SAME FOUR, BUT I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, UM, RESOLUTION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE AS WELL AND WE CAN SEND THAT OUT TO YOU.
SO JU JUST CLARIFICATION ON THE 30 JANUARY CIAC MEETING, IS THE INTENT OF THAT FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STAFF SUCH
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AS YOURSELVES AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR WRITING THE UDC? OR IS THIS JUST THE CIP DISCUSSION WITH STAFF TO HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON, UM, FOR POTENTIALLY THE NEXT YEAR OF THE CIP? JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.WE HAVE ALPHABET SAKE WITH ENGINEERING.
I KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS ENGINEERING.
PLANNING OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ENGINEERING WILL BE AT THOSE MEETINGS.
IT'S, I BELIEVE, GONNA BE LESS RELIANT ON OUR SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, ENGINEERING WILL OBVIOUSLY BE AT THAT MEETING.
IT IS MORE SO MY UNDERSTANDING AT THAT CIAC ON THE 30TH, THAT IS MORE SO FOR THE CONSULTANT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT TEAM THAN THE UDC.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT THE UDC AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, SOME OF IT MIGHT COME UP OF LIKE, HEY, DON'T FORGET THAT WE NEED TO ADD THAT BACK TO YOUR OTHER WORKING LIST.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY MORE SO TO GO OVER HOW DO ALL THESE MASTER PLANS FIT TOGETHER, UM, MOBILITY, WATER WASTEWATER AND A CIP, HOW ARE WE RUNNING ALL OF THESE THINGS? UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND OH, AND FOR THEM TO PRESENT THAT AND US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU, UM, ON THEIR SIDE.
AND CERTAINLY ON THOSE WE HAVE LET THE, UM, ALL THE GROUPS KNOW WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS.
WE WANT TO GET YOU AT LEAST THE PRESENTATION EARLY MM-HMM.
THEY HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.
THEY ARE ALWAYS, UM, AWARE OF OUR DEADLINES AND WE WERE LIKE, WE HAVE TO PUBLISH BY FRIDAY.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, GREAT, HOW ABOUT WE GET THIS TO YOU ON, YOU KNOW, A TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT.
IF WE SEE ANYTHING AS A GROUP, THEN WE CAN STILL HAVE TIME TO PUBLISH.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AMAZING.
I WILL SAY ON THE CIC THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE OF UM, MATT RECTOR'S TEAM AND THEN OF COURSE MY TEAM WILL ALWAYS, UM, SUPPORT THAT.
AND CERTAINLY WE HAVE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO ON THE DEVELOPMENT PART THAT WE'RE FORCING A ALL OF THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING FORWARD AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO BRING FORWARD TO YOU.
SO IT'LL BE UDC, WHICH IS JUST THE JOINT BETWEEN COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL AND PNZ.
AND WE WILL HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS THERE.
AND THEY'LL BE KINDA LEADING THAT DISCUSSION OF WHAT DO YOU WANNA GET OUT OF THIS? AND PART OF THAT WILL BE THAT, UM, EVEN THAT ENGINEERING MANUAL AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK YEP.
WE WILL HAVE THE 30TH, WHICH IS MORE OF THAT 1 0 1 OVERVIEW OF ALL THE OTHER MASTER PLANS THAT THE OTHER CONSULTANTS ARE WORKING ON TO GET ALL OF THOSE DONE.
BECAUSE WHEN WE DECIDED TO WRITE THE UDC AND THE ENGINEERING MANUAL, WHY NOT JUST ADD ON EVERY OTHER MO MASTER PLAN THAT WE NEEDED TO REWRITE AS AS WELL.
LET'S DO ALL AT ONCE THEN WE DO.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE LESS CONFLICTS.
I MEAN I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE A LOT ON THE STAFF SIDE, BUT TRULY IT WAS, WELL THEN MAYBE WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE LESS CONFLICTS.
AND BE ABLE TO GET YOU, UM, USABLE GOOD INFORMATION.
AND I WILL SAY THE CONSULTANTS, SOME OF THEM ARE FROM THE SAME OVERALL GROUP, LIKE RESSA NICHOLS AND KIMLEY HORN.
BUT IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH.
AND SO IT'S REALLY FUN TO SEE HOW THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, WHICH HAS BEEN SEAMLESS, EVEN BETWEEN THOSE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING GROUPS AND HOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH US, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN SEAMLESS.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T YET MET HER, PATRICIA DAVIS IS THE CIP, UM, ENGINEER.
AND SHE'S ACTUALLY A FORMER CITY ENGINEER HERSELF.
UM, AND SHE IS ON MATT'S TEAM.
SO YOU ALSO GET TO MEET SOME OTHER STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN ENGINEERING.
UM, THE VERY LAST THING I HAVE IS THAT YOU WILL LIKELY START SEEING MORE OF AN ENGINEERING PRESENCE AT OUR P AND Z MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE'S STAFF NOW.
SO, UM,
UM, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, MATT RECTOR HAD REQUESTED.
SO YOU'LL SEE THEM, WE TOLD THEM TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE TO, 'CAUSE WE HAD NO PLAS, WE HAD NOTHING REALLY THAT WAS GONNA INVOLVE ENGINEERING.
WE'RE LIKE, Y'ALL TAKE THE NIGHT OFF, WE'LL TAKE THE BRUNT OF IT.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY YOU WILL START SEEING SOME NEW FACES.
SO WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE, UM, I MEAN, Y'ALL KNOW MATT, BUT WE'LL STILL INTRODUCE EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF ALL THE NEW FACES IN THE ROOM JUST BECAUSE THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE THE YEAR OF NEW FACES, EITHER INTERNAL OR CONSULTANTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE LIKE, I THINK THIS GOES TO THIS PERSON, WE JUST ALWAYS, YOU CAN ALWAYS SEND IT TO STAFF AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHO IT GOES TO UM, 'CAUSE CERTAINLY YOU'RE LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST SEND IT TO FREEZE AND NICHOLS.
IF WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT OF THEIR GROUPS, UM, WITH ALL OF THEIR EXPERTISE IN DIFFERENT AREAS HELPING US, WE'LL KNOW WHICH ONES WE NEED TO SEND IT TO.
AND BOTH OF THESE MEETINGS ARE AT 7:00 PM BOTH MEETINGS ARE AT 7:00 PM I KNOW THE ONE ON THE 30TH IS IN THE EXECUTIVE BOARDROOM.
WHERE IS THE ONE ON THE 25TH? THE ONE ON THE 20 FOOT SHOULD BE IN HERE.
UM, WE ENDED UP, I BELIEVE WE HAD A CONFLICT.
ANGEL BROUGHT THAT UP TO ME AND SHE'S LIKE, SHOULD WE JUST DO IT THE EXECUTIVE? AND I'M LIKE, LET'S JUST DO IT THE EXECUTIVE.
'CAUSE AT LEAST THEN WE KNEW WE HAD ENOUGH SPACE FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER GROUP ON THAT JOINT MEETING.
I WAS LIKE, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY WE, THAT'S WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE.
EVEN IN THE WORK SESSIONS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.
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WILL ASK IF WE WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS START AT SIX, WE WILL ASK FOR PERMISSION INSTEAD OF JUST SURPRISING YOU WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW, UM, TRAVEL IS A LOT.I MEAN EVEN TODAY I LIVE SEVEN MILES AWAY AND I AM TRYING TO, IT TOOK ME OVER 30 MINUTES TO GET UM, HO AND I WAS LIKE, I BARELY HAD TIME TO COOK DINNER AND
I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY IN.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK WITH A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT DICIER SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SURPRISE YOU WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE EARLIER MEETINGS, WE WILL CERTAINLY ASK IF WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL WORK SESSION, WE WILL COMMUNICATE THAT EARLY.
UM, WE CERTAINLY ARE RESPECTFUL OF ALL OF YOUR TIME AND INDIVIDUAL SCHEDULES AS WELL.
AND THEN WITH THE UDC, I THINK WE'RE GONNA RUN SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS SIMILAR TO HOW WE DID WITH THE COMP PLAN, THAT IF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE AND WE CAN DO LIKE THE INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS OVER LUNCH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO SOME OF THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT AND I DON'T WANNA BOMBARD YOU WITH SO MUCH EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I'VE HEARD YOU.
CERTAINLY I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT STUFF YOU KNOW, THAT I NEED TO BE DOING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS, UM, OF THIS BUILDING AS WELL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIT THIS ALL IN.
SO CERTAINLY THROW UP A FLAG IF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OR LIKE, HEY, WHAT IF WE TRIED THIS WAY? I'M HERE FOR IT.
LET'S JUST SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.
TRY TO UM, AND TRY NOT TO COMPLICATE ALL OF YOUR LIVES TOO MUCH.
KNOWING THAT YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL VOLUNTEERS.
SO THE JANUARY 25TH MEETING, IT'S SHOWING 6:00 PM IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WILL CHECK WITH ANGELA ON THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE HAD SAID, UM, AND IF IT'S ON THE ONLINE CALENDAR IT MAY JUST BE THAT WE'RE RESERVING THE ROOM SO THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN BE IN HERE FOR SET UP.
I JUST WANTED TO UH, NO, I WILL MAKE SURE BECAUSE THROW THAT ONE OUT THERE.
UM, ASHLEY, I HAVE UH, APPARENTLY GOTTEN DROPPED OFF OF EMAILS.
I HAVE RECEIVED NO EMAIL TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
I, I DID SEND SOMETHING TO ANGEL YESTERDAY AND GOT NO REPLY.
CAN YOU SEND SOMETHING TO ME? SO I WILL SAY, UM, EVEN AMANDA WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, WE GOT BLOCKED FROM AMANDA'S EMAIL NOT TOO LONG AGO.
I KNOW THAT I GOT, I FOUND SOMETHING WAS, SO LIKE ALL, ALL OF THIS SCHEDULING STUFF I HAVE NOT SEEN.
BECAUSE I, WELL I KNOW ON THE 25TH I BELIEVE THAT WENT OUT LONG BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
CAN YOU, DECEMBER 28TH, ANGEL SENT OUT THE THING ABOUT THE CONTACT INFORMATION ASKING FOR EVERYONE'S CELL PHONE NUMBER AND YOU DIDN'T SEE IT.
THEN HOW ABOUT THIS, CAN YOU, BEFORE WE, AFTER WE BREAK AND EVERYTHING, CAN YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL? I WILL WAIT HERE UNTIL WE MAKE SURE IT GOES THROUGH.
IF IT DOESN'T I'LL GET WITH IT IN THE MORNING.
ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY I STILL OWE YOU A DRIVE AROUND TOO.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, I KNOW THOSE MEETINGS YOU MENTIONED ARE VERY FOCUSED ON THE MASTER PLANS, BUT WE DO ALONG WITH OUR 500 OTHER THINGS WE'RE FOCUSED ON, WE'LL HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THE CIP FOR FY 25 MM-HMM
UM, AND WE WERE WANTING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD EITHER WORK A WORK SESSION OR A PRE-DISCUSSION, IDEALLY MAYBE EVEN WITH PARKS OR WITH ANOTHER GROUP.
UM, ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS OR INKLINGS ABOUT GETTING THAT SCHEDULED AND MAYBE LIKE LATER LIKE MARCH OR APRIL OR SOMETHING? SO I WILL TELL YOU I HAD TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND ONE OF THEM WAS TO HAVE A DEDICATED GROUP MEETING BETWEEN PARKS AND UM, P AND Z.
AND WHEN WE WERE LIKE, OH, BUT WE NEED A JOINT SESSION WITH COUNCIL.
OH AND WE NEED A-C-I-C-I WAS NOT GONNA PUT THAT ON YOU IN JANUARY.
SO I'M WITH HOW THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE FILTERS OUT.
I'M HOPING FOR FEBRUARY I DO NEED TO TALK TO THE PARKS DIRECTOR ABOUT IT BECAUSE I NEED TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT HIS BOARD CAN MAKE IT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I'M HOPING FEBRUARY, MARCH JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND WE NEED TO BRING PARKS IN ON THAT UDC REREAD AS WELL.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME INTERNAL WORKINGS THERE.
IT IS DEFINITELY NOT LOST ON ME.
I KNOW THAT UM, EVEN THE PARK STRUCTURE, UM, JEFF WHITE HAD ASKED FOR A JOINT MEETING AND I WAS LIKE YEAH, LET'S DO THAT IN JANUARY AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER ONES FILTERED THROUGH AND I WAS LIKE, YOU ARE NOT IN JANUARY ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE HIERARCHY AND NOT TRY TO BOMBARD YOU WITH TOO MANY THINGS.
CERTAINLY I WILL SAY PARKS TYPICALLY MEETS ON WEDNESDAYS.
IF THAT IS AN AVAILABILITY, ONCE WE GET YOUR EMAIL FIXED, UM, WE CAN HAVE ANGEL SEND THAT OUT OF JUST DOES THIS WORK FOR YOU BECAUSE IF WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE MAYBE AVAILABLE DATES FOR HIM TO PRESENT TO HIS PARKS BOARD, THEN THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SECURE UP A DATE A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
CERTAINLY I REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO IT ON A TUESDAY PNZ WEDNESDAY PARKS.
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THAN DELIGHTFUL BUT UM, WE CAN TRY TO MAKE IT WORK OR POSSIBLY IF THAT'S A DAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.AND THEN IT ALSO OF COURSE DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH WE HAVE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT COMING UP.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO UPDATE ALL OF OUR BUILDING CODES.
SO I WILL ALSO BE DOING THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS, UM, MEETINGS.
UM, SO TRYING TO FIT IN FIVE DIFFERENT BOARDS IN A MONTH PLUS THE TWO COUNCIL AND JOINT.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST YEAR YOU GUYS.
SO, UM, WE'LL TELL, WE'LL FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO HAIL MARY AND YOU KNOW, WAVE WHITE FLAG AND JUST SAY, HEY THIS ONE IS TOO MUCH, CAN WE DO IT THIS WAY? CAN WE DO IT THAT WAY? I'LL CERTAINLY CHECK ON THE TIMING OF THE 25TH JUST IN CASE.
UM, UNLESS YOU ALL WANNA MEET AT SIX THEN WE CAN JUST, WE CAN TRY TO SCOOT OUT HERE EARLY.
'CAUSE HER EMAIL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A TIME.
WELL, AND TYPICALLY OUR TIMES, THE ONLY ONE I THINK THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT EARLY MIGHT BE HPC MM-HMM.
AND THEY REQUESTED IT AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS DO THEIRS AT SIX.
SO THAT, UM, THAT COULD JUST BE A HOLDOVER.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE PLANNED HAS BEEN FOR 7:00 PM JUST FOR COMMUTE TIME AND THE REST AND SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD HAVE A MOMENT TO BE AT HOME BEFORE THEY NEED TO COME HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? I NEED TO LEAVE THAT HEARING? NONE.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 8:53 PM AWESOME.