Jan 18, 2024 City Council

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

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LET US CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE CALL ROLE.

CALL ] WE WILL BE LED BY A MEMBER FROM EBENEZER BAPTIST

CHURCH. >> SHALL WE PRAY? WE COME OUT TO GIVE YOU THANKS, LORD. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU CONTINUOUSLY DO FOR EVERYBODY ABROAD, BLESS THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM. WE GIVE YOU ALL THE HONOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY AND YOUR GRACE, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR US IN SPITE OF OUR SINS.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO TEXAS,

UNDER GOD, ONE, INDIVISIBLE. >> NEXT, IF THE CITY COUNCIL

[5.1. School Board Recognition Month]

>> THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING SCHOOL BOARD RECOGNITION MONTH. THE MISSION OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS TO MEET EDUCATIONAL NEEDS OF ALL CHILDREN AND EMPOWER THEM TO BE COMPETENT AND PRODUCTIVE CONTRIBUTORS TO A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY IN AN EVER-CHANGING WORLD. LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS ARE ELECTED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR STUDENTS AND LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS WORK CLOSELY WITH PARENTS, EDUCATIONAL PROFESSIONALS, AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO CREATE THE EDUCATIONAL VISION WE WANT FOR STUDENTS. LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS ARE ADVOCATES FOR INFORMATION, RESPONSIBLE FOR MITIGATING THE NEEDS TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS. THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PROCLAIMED JANUARY 2024 AS SCHOOL BOARD RECOGNITION MONTH, AND ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO JOIN US IN RECOGNIZING THE HARD WORK OF LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND TO WELCOME THEM TO A SYSTEM THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF TODAY'S AND TOMORROW'S CHILDREN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO

SAY SOMETHING? >> THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING THIS A PRIORITY TONIGHT, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEND A MESSAGE OF COLLABORATION WITH CITY PARTNERS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OFFERING THE SAKE OF INVESTING IN OUR CHILDREN AND THE FUTURE. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU.

[6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS]

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>> THANK YOU MAYOR, FOR THE RECORD, HERE IS THE CITY MANAGER. RECAP FROM WINTER STORMS, HOW DID YOU LIKE THAT COLD WEATHER? WE HAD VERY LITTLE PRECIPITATION, AS EVERYBODY IS AWARE. THE WIND CHILL WAS A REAL THREAT TO ANIMALS AND SOME HOMES. SOME HOMES ARE OLDER THAN OTHERS, FOR THE MOST PART EVERYTHING THAT I HEARD, WE WEATHERED THE STORM. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREDICTIONS, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL FOR THE GENERATOR, THEY WERE OUT THERE WORKING, CRUISE AND CONTRACTORS, NOT JUST CITY STAFF. THEY BROUGHT IN A TENT FROM A CATERING BUSINESS TO CLOSE IT IN SO THE GROUND WOULD NOT BE SO FROZEN. THEY ARE WORKING TO GET EVERYTHING TRANSFERRED OVER. THE GENERATOR IS SUFFICIENTLY SIZE TO PROTECT THE BUILDING AND ALLOW OPERATIONS AND DESIGNATE CITY HALL AS A SHELTER FOR THOSE IN NEED OF EMERGENCIES. WE OPENED UP CITY HALL AS A WARMING SHELTER, AND OUR INTERIM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, HE STAYED HERE AND SLEPT AT CITY HALL. VOLUNTEERS CAME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDED SOME ITEMS TO HELP. THEY WERE HERE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE WHO NEEDED THE WARMING SHELTER IN OUR COMMUNITY, VOLUNTEERS WHO PARTICIPATED WERE JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR LIVING CORE VALUES AND EXPRESSING LEADERSHIP. WE SEE THAT IN PUBLIC WORKS PARKS AND FACILITIES, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IN CASE YOU'D LIKE TO GET OUT IN THE COLD, FEBRUARY 3 IS THE CHILD DERBY.

TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE IS GOING TO BRING TROUT FROM THE HATCHERY. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME OUT WITH YOUR LOVED ONES, THE LITTLE ONES AND THE BIG ONES, TRY TO CATCH SOME FISH.

IT WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU DON'T GET TO FISH FOR TROUT TERRIBLY OFTEN IN TEXAS. THERE ARE A FEW PLACES THEY RELEASE TROUT AROUND, AND IT'S NEAT TO HAVE THAT HERE AND HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. THE DAY AFTER VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING UP , THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 15, WE WILL HAVE ACTIVITIES HERE AT CITY HALL FOR THAT DAY. THE 15TH IS A COUNCIL MEETING. THERE WILL BE A COUNCIL MEETING, AND THE LOBBY WILL BE FULL OF FUN THINGS. IT'S GOING TO BE HIPPO THEMED, DON'T MISS THAT EVENT.

YOU CAN FIND MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS ON THE CITY WEBSITE. CITIZENS ACADEMY, WE NOW HAVE TWO CLASSES OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AFTER IT HAD BEEN

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FIRST, FIRE CHIEF KERR WOULD ASKED TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE FIRE ACADEMY COMING UP IN MARCH, OPERATING TUESDAY EVENINGS. THAT IS A 10 WEEK CLASS, WITH A FREE CLASS GIVING PEOPLE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT FIREFIGHTERS DO DAILY TO MITIGATE SITUATIONS. WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BE PART OF THE POSITIVE PROGRESS TO JOIN THE CITIZENS UNIVERSITY. THIS YEAR WE ARE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE SPECIAL. THE FIRST ONE IS A NINE WEEK COURSE DESIGNED TO TEACH RESIDENTS ABOUT STRUCTURES OF CITY SERVICES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THIS OCCURS THROUGH INTERACTIVE CONVERSATIONS AND TOURING. ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IS GETTING TO SEE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. IT IS INTERESTING. THERE WILL BE TOURS AND DEMONSTRATIONS. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE DOING ADVANCED UNIVERSITY FOR THE ALUMNI. THAT'S GOING TO RUN ON TUESDAY EVENINGS, FEBRUARY 27 THROUGH APRIL APRIL 30 WITH A COUPLE FIELD TRIPS. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE TWO ANNOUNCED

[7. PUBLIC COMMENT]

>> NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. FIRST UP WE HAVE JASON

PENNINGTON. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JASON, I AM THE AREA EDITOR OF THE PRESS AND THE INSIDER. THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH US. MAYOR SNYDER MENTIONED THAT HE LOVES THE PUBLICATION, THANK YOU FOR THAT AS WELL. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME APPLICATIONS THAT I WANT TO CLEAR UP. THE PRESS HAS COVERED EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY SINCE 1913, 110 YEARS, INCLUDING HUTTO. WE HAVE A POPULATION OF SEVERAL THOUSAND WITH STATISTICS THAT SHOW MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD READS THE PAPER. OUR WEBSITE HAS AROUND 100,000 IMPRESSIONS, YES, 100,000 IMPRESSIONS WITHIN ONE WEEK. AS OF NOON TODAY, WE HAD 20 NEW SUBSCRIBERS AT NOON. WE FEATURE HUTTO IN THE NEWSPAPER EVERY WEEK, INCLUDING THE BUSINESS THAT HAPPENS HERE AND THE BUSINESS THAT HAPPENS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND COMMUNITY NEWS, EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A REPORTER THAT IS HERE, SHE IS HERE EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. THERE WAS WORRY, EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN OUR NEWSPAPER IS IN FRONT, YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. THE INSIDER HAS A CIRCULATION OF 25,000. THAT IS JUST PRINT CIRCULATION, AND WE ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE. WE SATURATE THE MARKET, WE HAVE STORIES AND ADVERTISERS, WITH ADVERTISERS THAT CONTINUE TO ADVERTISE MONTH AFTER MONTH. I DID NOT HAVE THIS WRITTEN DOWN, BUT WE HAVE A SHOW CALLED AROUND THE WATER COOLER. ONE OF OUR ADVERTISERS FOR THE SHOW HAS BEEN WITH US FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT SPORTS ON THAT SHOW. YOU CAN ALSO FIND ARTICLES AND LINKS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE. IT'S IN FRONT OF THE PAY WALL. WE ARE NOT JUST - - I LIVE HERE WITH MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE AND CHILDREN. WE COVER THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. A FEW MORE SECONDS TO FINISH,

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JASMINE, I

APPRECIATE IT. >> NEXT WE HAVE GREGORY ORTIZ.

WE HAVE ZOE HOPWOOD AS WELL AS HEATHER.

>> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. FIRST OFF I WANT TO START OFF BY CLARIFYING WHAT THE CITY MANAGER TOUCHED ON, SERVANT LEADERSHIP FOCUSES ON THE GROWTH AND WELL-BEING OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY BELONG. TRADITIONALLY THIS INVOLVES EXERCISE OF POWER BY ONE OF THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID, SERVANT LEADERSHIP IS DIFFERENT. THE SERVANT LEADER PUTS THE NEEDS OF OTHERS FIRST AND HELPS PEOPLE DEVELOP AND REFORM AS HIGHLY AS POSSIBLE. HOW MANY OF YOU CAN CALL YOURSELVES CITY LEADERS. YOU ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC SERVANTS, CORRECT? ONE WOULD THINK EACH OF YOU DECIDED TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF YOUR DESIRE TO DO MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR YOURSELF. I WANT TO SAY HOW DISAPPOINTED I AM IN EACH OF YOU. WHAT HAPPENED FALLS ON YOUR WATCH AND IS A STAIN ON YOUR TIME IN CITY COUNCIL. THE JUDGE IS CLEAR WITH HIS RULINGS AND HOW THEY DID OR DID NOT HANDLE THE CASE. EVERYONE WANTS TO POINT FINGERS. NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. THE JUDGE SAID I SEE A STRATEGY OF THROWING EVERYTHING AT THE WALL AND SEEING WHAT STICKS AND IT IS REPUGNANT. THERE WAS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A PERSON BASED ON RACE. A JURY DID NOT LEAVE THE TESTIMONY OR THE EVIDENCE AND NEITHER DID A JUDGE. IT IS ALARMING TO ME THAT AMERICA SEES $7 MILLION OF DAMAGES AND HE STILL HAS A POSITION OF POWER. I SEE ON FABT HOW HE CAN STILL HAVE HIS JOB IF HE IS GUILTY OF THIS. LET ME EXPLAIN THE REASON BEHIND THIS SO THE COMMUNITY HAS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF MIST MEDICATION IS HAPPENING. THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND HERE. MIKE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, NOT AN EMPLOYEE. ALL OF CITY COUNCIL WORKS UNDER THE CHARTER, YOU CAN GOOGLE THAT FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING. ONE OF TWO THINGS COULD HAPPEN. ONE WOULD BE A RECALL, WE WOULD NEED 20% OF REGISTERED VOTERS TO REQUEST HIM TO BE REMOVED. NOT EVEN 20% OF PEOPLE VOTED TO PUT HIM IN HIS POSITION. THE NEXT OPTION, IF HE BREAKS THE PROVISION OF THE CHARTER, IT WOULD BE A CRIME OF PERPETUITY, MURDER, ROBBERY OR KIDNAPPING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CONVICTION, NOT AN ACCUSATION. FOR NOW, OUR HANDS ARE TIED. I BELIEVE THE CHARTER NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND REVISED FOR THIS VERY REASON.

AN OFFICIAL SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RUN OUR CITY WITH THIS KIND OF JUDGMENT. MANY PEOPLE WANT TO SAY MIKE WASN'T SUED. YOU ARE CORRECT, HE WAS NOT SUED PERSONALLY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF CITY, ANY UNIT CLASSIFIED AS A MUNICIPALITY BY THE UNITED STATES BUREAU IN WHICH THE DETERMINATION OF THE SEC. POSSESSES POWERS AND PERFORMS FUNCTIONS, THE CITY DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT PEOPLE. WHEN SOMEONE DECIDES TO SUE THE CITY, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE

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YOU CAN LOOK AT HIS FACEBOOK POSTS AND SEE THAT. ONCE AGAIN I ASK FOR YOUR RESIGNATION AS MAYOR SO WE CAN REBUILD HUTTO IN A WAY THAT MAKES EVERYONE FEEL SAFE. NOW, LET ME SWITCH GEARS. I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM A FRIEND. YOU ARE MAYOR WAS TRYING TO GET SOMETHING. MY MAYOR, OR MIKE SNYDER? HERE IS ONE THING I KNOW FROM LISTENING TO YOU, TRUST, BUT VERIFY. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A DAY JOB, AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS. I WATCH THE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALL LOOK IT UP. WHAT I SAW WAS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER TELLING YOU THEY DID NOT WANT THE QUICK TRIP IN A SPECIFIC AREA. THEY WERE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. I SAW YOU BANTER BACK AND FORTH ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY NEED TO SHOW UP TO SAY YES. DO YOU NEED FIVE, SIX, OR 500? WHAT DO YOU NEED? EVEN TOLD ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS I RESENT YOU TRYING TO SQUEEZE US. THIS WAS ALL ABOUT WHETHER YOUR CORPORATION SHOULD ANNEX IN OR BUILD, OR GO THROUGH THE CITY AND GIVE THEM ROADS AND SUCH. YOU THREATENED THEM WITH SENATE BILL 2308, WHICH ANNEXED THE PROPERTY. WHAT I FIND IRONIC, A MOTION WAS MADE BY PETER GORDON AND PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, NOT TO ALLOW THE ANNEXATION, AND JOIN A PENDING LAWSUIT. IN YOUR DAY JOB, YOU WILL USE THE BILL IN ANOTHER TOWN TO GET WHAT YOU WANT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT IN HUTTO, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ANOTHER TOWN AND IT'S OKAY. I HAVE SEEN YOU ON FACEBOOK MANY TIMES, TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU ONLY WANT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE. IN HUTTO YOU DO ONE THING, BUT IN YOUR DAY JOB YOU SQUEEZE PEOPLE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. IF THAT'S HOW YOU CHOOSE TO DO BUSINESS, THAT'S ON YOU. JUST KNOW THOSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. THEY KNOW YOU ARE A MAYOR IN A NEIGHBORING TOWN, AND THEY KNOW THE CITY YOU LEAD DOES NOT ALLOW ANNEXATION. WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS YOU WHO THEY REALLY ARE, YOU SHOULD REALLY BELIEVE THEM. I DID JUST VERIFY, NUMBERS AND COUNCILS, DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH THIS INFORMATION. THIS MAN IS PREACHING ONE THING AND DOING ANOTHER. I ASKED EACH ONE OF YOU, ARE YOU SERVANT LEADERS? IS THE MAN LEADING THE TOWN A SERVANT LEADER? HIS ACTIONS PROVE OTHERWISE.

>> NEXT WE HAVE ERICA ROBERTS.

>> HELLO CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL. I AM A 21 YEAR RESIDENT OF HUTTO. I JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND SPEAK TODAY. TODAY IS A HARD DAY, THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY MY FATHER PASSED. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. MY DAD WAS 45 WHEN HE DIED. HE WAS BORN IN 1950. AS I GOT OLDER, MY DAD BEGAN TO HAVE THE TALK. MOST BLACK PARENTS IN THE ROOM UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BEES, IT'S ABOUT

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WE HAD TO HAVE THAT TALK. HE CALLED IT THE BLACK BILL. AS I COME UP HERE TODAY, THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS HUTTO, I'VE BEEN HERE 21 YEARS. IF YOU MOVE YOURSELF AWAY AND DON'T GET DEEP INTO POLITICS, YOU DON'T GET DEEP INTO WHAT GOES ON, YOU WON'T SEE WHAT I SEE CLEARLY. WE HAD TO BE LIKE HEY, CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR US AND OUR SHARED CULTURE? WHEN WE TRIED TO INTEGRATE THOSE MISSIONS INTO THE CITY HALL, HUTTO CAME OUT. 100% SAYS THROUGHOUT THE ORDER THAT MIKE SNYDER WAS AN INFLUENCER, LEADERS IN THE SPIRIT OTIS JONES, A BLACK MAN PROVED HIS CASE, THE JURY BELIEVED HIM, THE JUDGES BELIEVED HIM, AND HE WAS AWARDED $7.5 MILLION FOR HARM.

HE WAS BASICALLY THE SUBJECT OF A WITCH-HUNT. I SEE THAT AND STILL SEE PEOPLE SAY NO, HE IS STILL GUILTY. I SEE ANOTHER HUTTO WHERE I SEE A WHITE MAN WHO HAS BEEN PROVEN TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A BLACK MAN, PROVEN TO VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION, LAW, AND HOLDS THE HIGHEST POWER IN OUR CITY, AND NO ONE WANTS TO BELIEVE HE IS GUILTY. THOSE ARE THE WORLDS THAT BLACK PEOPLE AND OTHER MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES HAVE TO LIVE IN EVERY SINGLE DAY. I CAN'T BE

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>> NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE WILL RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE COMMENTS WITHIN OUR PACKET. YOUR COMMENT WAS PUT IN HERE.

[8.1. Police Department Quarterly Update and Racial Profiling Report (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

EVENING, CHIEF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE HUTTO POLICE DEPARTMENT. I COME TO YOU TO PRESENT A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE DEPARTMENT AND THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT.

I'M GLAD WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO SEE, TO HEAR, AND RECOGNIZE WHAT MAKES US UNIQUE, WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT AS A DEPARTMENT SERVING THE COMMUNITY. I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON SOME OF THE PERSONNEL AND CURRENT STAFFING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD, AND HOW WE HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE AS A DEPARTMENT AND AS A BODY OF LEADERSHIP, CITY LEADERSHIP AND AS A COMMUNITY. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE BY UNSUNG HEROES IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT VERY VALUABLE. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE EQUIPMENT SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE USING TO SERVE DISTINGUISHED CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FACILITY CHANGES , THE ACCREDITATION PROGRAM THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH ROSE COLORED GLASSES. WE ARE GOOD, NOT PERFECT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE CULTURE IN OUR DEPARTMENT, WE KNOW WE ARE NOT PERFECT. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CRIME STATS, AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE, AND WHERE WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE IN THE FUTURE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO COLLECT AND THE FULL STAFF OF 51 SWORN OFFICERS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 40 SWORN OFFICERS. OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN WELL BELOW MINIMUM STAFFING. WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, WE HAD NUMEROUS OFFICERS THAT WERE HIRED, THEY WOULD BE IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR A SHORT-TERM AND WOULD TRANSITION OUT. WE HAD A LOT OF RETENTION ISSUES. WE HAVE BEEN CAREFUL TO START THE HEALING AND STOP THE BLEEDING.

WE STOPPED THE BLEEDING, AND WE STARTED THE HEALING. WE HAVE FIVE CADETS IN THE PEACE OFFICER ACADEMY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE ACADEMY, WHEN WE SEND OFFICERS THROUGH THE ACADEMY, THAT IS A SIX MONTH PROCESS. WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THE ACADEMY, THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING, AND IT TAKES ANOTHER SIX MONTHS FOR THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICES AS FULLY TRAINED OFFICERS. WE HAVE FIVE

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SOMEONE IN CRISIS, THEIR BEHAVIOR CAN MIMIC CRIMINALITY.

WE WANT OFFICERS TRAINED TO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE. WE WANT THE SUPPORT. THE CITIZENS WHO ARE CRYING OUT FOR HELP, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED IT AS WELL. WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO INFUSE THAT POSITION IN OUR RANKS. I MENTIONED THE EQUIPMENT, THE SOFTWARE, AND THE TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 50 DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT LEASES, AS WELL AS SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE USING. AN EIGHT TRACK USED TO BE GOOD. LONG GONE ARE THOSE DAYS. WE HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE, AND TECHNOLOGY AS WELL THAT IS BEYOND ITS SHELF LIFE. WE HAVE SOMEONE DEDICATED TO LEARNING AND UNDERSTANDING DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY AND SOFTWARE PIECES, WHO IS ABLE TO KEEP THAT SERVICE UP AND RUNNING SO WE DON'T HAVE DOWNTIME, OR ISSUES WHERE WE CANNOT UPLOAD SOFTWARE OR SEND CASES TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE SYSTEMS HAVE FAILED OR CRASHED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN GRACIOUS IN RECOGNIZING OUR NEEDS. AND WE HAVE ONE CRIME SCENE TECH THAT SERVES THE ENTIRE CITY, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE EVIDENCE COMING IN AND CRIME SCENES THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT NEED A CRIME SCENE TECH TO TAKE THE PHOTOS, WRAP THE EVIDENCE, PACKAGE THE EVIDENCE. THEY DO ALL THOSE THINGS ON THE HEELS OF ONE INDIVIDUAL. THAT'S A POSITION THAT WE WERE GRACIOUSLY GIVEN. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE DONE SOME INTERVIEWS FOR CRISIS INTERVENTION, WE ARE EXCITED

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HE IS THE 46TH GRADUATE OF THAT PROGRAM. HE IS THE 46 GRADUATE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. HE IS RIGHT HERE.

>> WELL DONE. >> A TREMENDOUS ACCOMPANIMENT.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LIFESAVER AWARDS. WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE GOT ONE OFFICER, OFC. MOODY RECEIVED A LIFE-SAVING AWARD. WE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAD PEOPLE IN CRISIS, SHE WAS ABLE TO SAVE THE LIFE OF AN INDIVIDUAL, AND WE HAVE AN OFFICER WHO IS A CERTIFIED EMT IN OUR DEPARTMENT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WANTING TO EXPAND BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT WE GET. THOSE OFFICERS ARE TYPICALLY ON A CALL BEFORE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ARRIVES, AND THEY ARE ABLE TO SUSTAIN LIFE. A MOTHER WAS IN CRISIS, AND HER SON WAS IN CRISIS FROM AN OVERDOSE. THIS OFFICER WAS ABLE TO REVIVE THE SUN, AND THE MOM, WHO WAS EVEN MORE IN CRISIS. HE WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO REVIVE HER, AND BOTH WERE ABLE TO SURVIVE. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

WE'VE HAD OFFICERS GO INTO A HOME, AND THE KIDS CALL 911 BECAUSE MOM IS IN THE BATHTUB UNDERWATER, OFFICERS HAVE COME IN AND REVIVED PEOPLE AND BROUGHT THEM BACK TO LIFE. THAT HAPPENS IN THIS COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU CARE, WE ARE THERE BECAUSE WE CARE. MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING RECEIVED A LOT OF AWARDS THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR FOR THEIR WORK IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IN THE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE SEEN LETTERS OF COMMENDATION FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT POLICE OFFICERS. IT IS

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THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THIS COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, YOU TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIPS OFFICERS HAVE WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT. IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE WORK, AND WORKING IN THE BASIC PEACE OFFICER ACADEMY, THEY COMPLETED COLLEGE DEGREES, ONE OF THEM IS WORKING ON HIS MASTERS, WHICH I THINK IS EXEMPLARY, BECAUSE WHAT THEY LEARNED THEY ARE INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE DONE A LITTLE MORE TRAINING, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING THAT OUR OFFICERS DO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID EARLY ON IN THE YEAR, OUR COMMAND STAFF, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE WE HAD STAFF, THEY PROVIDED TRAINING IN DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION. SOME OF THE TRAINING WAS THREE TO SIX MONTHS. WE STARTED WITH COMMAND STAFF.

ATTITUDE REFLECTS LEADERSHIP, AND WE WANT OFFICERS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE THE EXAMPLE, AND WHEN THEY ARE OUT IN THE STREETS DEALING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE DISPLAYING THE EXAMPLE. THE CHIEF WAS SO INTRIGUED WITH THE TRAININGS THAT HE TOOK, HE CONTINUED HIS TRAINING AND TOOK I - - HE CONTINUED HIS TRAINING. HE TOOK A COURSE THAT WAS VERY CHALLENGING, BUT VERY ENLIGHTENING, HE LEARNED SO MUCH. HE COLLABORATED ON WHAT WE ARE MISSING, WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, AND HOW WE NEED TO GROW AND SERVE THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY. EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY, VECTOR SOLUTIONS, WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY 50 DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT SOFTWARES AND TECHNOLOGIES. FOR FIELD TRAINING, FOR ADDITIONAL TRAINING, FOR SCHEDULING, WE ARE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE THAT IN THIS ONE SOLUTION AND ILLUMINATE SOME OF THE OTHERS. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPROVING THINGS RIGHT NOW. WHEN OFFICERS COME IN, VIDEO CAMERAS HAVE TO UPLOAD, AND THAT IS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE STORAGE DEMAND. I THINK THE SERVER IS OLDER, AND IT HAS FAR EXCEEDED ITS USEFUL LIFE. WE'VE ADDED AN EVIDENCE CABINET. WE'VE ALSO ADDED A DRYING CABINET. SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE MAY BE SOILED. BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, THAT EQUIPMENT WAS LAID OUT TO AIR DRY IN AN EVIDENCE ROOM. WE HAVE DRYING CABINETS THAT ARTIFICIALLY DRY ITEMS SO THEY CAN BE STORED SAFELY. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ALWAYS THE PERSON GOING TO ANOTHER SAYING HEY, CAN YOU HELP US? WE HAVE GROWN UP, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE INSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES DIRECTLY TO DETECTIVES AND OFFICERS. THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE HAD RECEIVED A SEARCH WARRANT, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTIES AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TO GET YOUR STUFF BACK, AND YOUR CASES ARE WAITING ON EXTRACTION OF INFORMATION. NOW WE HAVE A SOLUTION, WE ARE ABLE TO PROCESS THE EVIDENCE IN

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TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PREPARED.

THOSE OFFICERS ARE FROM VIRTUALLY EVERY SHIFT. THEY ARE IN THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS UNIT. EVEN OFFICERS IN PATROL, YOU HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE HIGHLY TRAINED IN RESPONDING TO INCIDENTS. WE ALSO STARTED A DRONE PILOT PROGRAM. I TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS. SOME MAY RESPOND WITH A YAWN.

WE SEE THE VALUE OF IT. LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TO YOU. THIS HAS FAR EXCEEDED OUR EXPECTATIONS. WHEN WE DEPLOYED THE DRONE, WE HAVE ONE DRONE PILOT AND ONE DRONE, THAT OFFICER IS A CORPORAL. THERE ARE MANY TIMES HE COMES OUT FOR CALLOUTS. WE USE IT IN A SITUATION WHERE PARTNER AGENCIES NEEDED ASSISTANCE NEARBY. A PERSON SUPPOSEDLY LEFT THE RESIDENCE AT NIGHT AND SUPPOSEDLY HEARD A GUNSHOT BEFORE THE OFFICERS ARRIVED. OFFICERS DID NOT KNOW THE TERRAIN. THEY DID NOT KNOW THE LAYOUT OF THE BACKYARD. THEY ASKED US IF WE COULD DEPLOY THE DRONE. THEY COULD SEE WHERE THE WEAPON WAS, WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL WAS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT PERSON INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT. WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE CAR BURGLARS THAT WE'VE HAD. THIS PROGRAM HAS HELPED US TREMENDOUSLY. A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS WERE INVOLVED IN SOME BURGLARIES, AND OFFICERS LOCATED THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WERE GOING.

THEY WENT OUT TO ONE OF THE RIVERBEDS AND ONE OF THE GUYS TRIED TO COVER HIMSELF IN MUD, THINKING THAT WOULD LESSEN HIS HEAT SIGNATURE FOR THE DRONE AND KEEP HIM FROM THE CANINE.

NOT ONLY DID THE DRONE LOCATE THE INDIVIDUALS AND LEAD OFFICERS, THE CANINE ALSO RAN RIGHT UP TO THE GUY. I WANT TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND SHOW THE COUNSEL ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE. SO ARE YOU SAYING ARNOLD LIED TO US? WE DON'T HAVE THE VIDEO, BUT WE'VE GOT ONE THAT WE CLEANED UP A BIT. WE CLEANED UP ONE THAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU. THE ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS DRONE FOOTAGE, ABOUT 50 SECONDS OF AN ARREST OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY CAUGHT, BY THE DRONE, THE INDIVIDUAL CUT IT OFF. WHEN THEY WENT TO THE INDIVIDUAL, HE RAN. OFFICERS GOT OUT ON THE SCENE AND THEY

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ABLE TO SEE HIM. >> HE IS LAYING DOWN.

>> THE OFFICERS ARE THERE, AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER COMING IN.

THE OFFICER APPROACHES TO GIVE HIM DIRECTIONS. STAY WITH THAT BAD BOY MUSIC. I TRIED, I TRIED. I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS, IT SHOWS YOU THE DEMEANOR OF OUR OFFICERS. HE KNOWS HOW TO HANDCUFF TONSILS TO TOENAILS IF HE HAD TO. HE IS HIGHLY TRAINED. THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOT ARMED. HE IS USING A TASER, NOT A RIFLE, NOT A VESSEL. HE IS USING THE LESS LETHAL OPTION. OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED BETTER THAN PEOPLE THINK. THEY DON'T GET THE CREDIT THEY DESERVE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TECHNOLOGY WE USE IN THE COMMUNITY AND A TESTAMENT TO THE QUALITY OF THE TRAINING THAT OFFICERS HAVE, AND THE COORDINATION. FOR FACILITIES, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH SOLUTIONS AND MAKING SURE TO MAXIMIZE THE AVAILABILITY OF WHAT WE HAVE. WE RECENTLY ADDED A GENERATOR. THERE ARE TIMES POWER HAS GONE OUT IN THE PAST, AND THE BATTERIES FOR THE SERVERS DIDN'T LAST THAT LONG.

OUR SERVER IS 15 YEARS OLD. YOU'VE GOT TO CRANK IT A LITTLE BIT, IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET BACK UP. THAT CREATES SUSTAINABILITY IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE. THE TRADE-OFF, WE HAD TO GIVE UP PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS A PREMIUM. WE DID THAT NONETHELESS. WE CAN HAVE OFFICERS THAT MOVE INTO THE COMMAND STAFF AREA SO THEY CAN HAVE SPACE TO DO WORK AT COMPUTER TERMINALS IF NEEDED. WE HAVE ADDED A BOX TO STORE EVIDENCE, BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE ROOM HAS OVERFLOWED. WE WERE ABLE TO GRANT THAT REQUESTS, AND WE ARE ADDING CUBICLES TO MAXIMIZE SPACE. WE HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT AND DO BY THE LONGS.

YOU COME OVER AND SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING, WE ARE AN OPEN BOOK. WE ARE ADDING CUBICLES IN THE ANNEX, WE ARE ABLE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACES SO OFFICERS AND NEW EMPLOYEES CAN WORK. SOME OF THE FURNITURE, I THINK THE FURNITURE WE HAD IS 20 YEARS OLD, WE WERE ABLE TO UPDATE SOME OF THOSE PIECES. PARKING IS A PREMIUM, BUT WE HAVE A VERY STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH ISD. THEY ALLOWED US TO USE SOME SPACES TO HAVE OFF-SITE PARKING TO STORE SOME VEHICLES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PROVIDING TRAINING WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE WANT SPACES FOR THEM TO

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THEY ARE LOCKING THE BOX OVER HERE AT FRONT STREET. WHAT IS BEING DONE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I WILL PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. IN OUR SEATING, WE HAVE NORTH AND SOUTH, CURRENTLY. NORTH IS ANYTHING NORTH OF 79, AND YOU HAVE THE SOUTH END. YOU HAVE SOMETIMES OF MINIMUM STAFFING. IF YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS ON DUTY DURING PEAK TIME, THAT IS A PROBLEM.

THEY ARE TRIAGING, THEY ARE GOING FROM CALL TO CALL. THERE ARE TIMES WE HAVE NOT HAVE THE LUXURY TO GO OUT AND WORK TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, OR MOVING VIOLATIONS. ONE OF OUR OFFICERS WAS CALLED TO A MINOR ACCIDENT, AND I HEARD HIM ON THE RADIO.

THEN THEY HAD TO DIVERT TO A FAMILY VIOLENCE CALL. SO, WHAT

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COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE CAUGHT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BREAKING INTO CARS, REPORTING IT TO OFFICERS. MANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED HAVE BEEN ARRESTED. YOU FIND SOME OF THE AGENCIES AROUND US, SOME OF THE CITIES, YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE BURGLARY GROUPS, THEY MAY BE FROM AUSTIN, THEY WILL DRIVE TO GEORGETOWN, THEY MAY BE FROM HOUSTON AND DRIVING THROUGH, THEY WILL CHECK DOORS, THEY DON'T WANT TO BREAK THE WINDOWS. THEY WILL CHECK THE HANDLES AND GO DOWN THE ROAD.

THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE CHECKING DOORS, OFFICERS HAVE FOUND PEOPLE WITH ARTIFACTS AND EVIDENCE TAKEN FROM THE VEHICLE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS TWOFOLD. USE THE APP. WE CAN REACH THOSE STAFFING NUMBERS THAT CAN GIVE US A SIGH OF RELIEF. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THIS, RECALLED THE CHIEF, WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET SOMEONE OUT TO US? WHAT CAN BE DONE? I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW AND PEOPLE EXPLAIN TO YOU, I GET IT NOW, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER, BUT IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN ISSUE AT HOME OR BUSINESS, THEY CALL REQUESTING AN OFFICER. THE CALL TAKER WILL GET THE CALL, DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITY OF THE CALL. BASED ON THE PRIORITY, THE DISPATCHER WILL TAKE THAT. DISPATCH TRACKS THE DATA ON HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR OFFICERS TO RESPOND. WHEN WE REACH PEAK TIMES OF CALL VOLUME, THEY ARE REACHING PEAK TIMES IN LIBERTY HILL, ROUND ROCK, GRANGER. THEY ARE REACHING PEAK TIMES FOR

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YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN DO. THE COMMUNICATORS THAT THEY HAVE, IT'S AMAZING. THE CALL VOLUME IS NOT. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF IN THAT AREA. YOU LOOK AT THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR YOU ON THIS, LET'S LOOK OVER AT THE FAR RIGHT. COME SITES WENT UP 100%, GOING FROM ZERO UP TO ONE. IT'S GOING BE 100%. LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE , THE POPULATION-BASED PERCENTAGE, THAT SHOWS YOU THE LIKELIHOOD OF AN INDIVIDUAL OUR SIZE THAT MAY BE SUBJECTED TO THAT. YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.

CONSIDER TO BE A ROBBERY. THEY CAME HOME EARLY IN THE MORNING AND THEY TOOK HIS VEHICLE AND WALLET. AND THEY DROVE OFF, AND BOTH WERE ARRESTED BY OFFICERS. OTHERS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE HAD A SITUATION WHERE PERSON WENT INTO A STORE TO TAKE ITEMS, AND THE PERSON PUSHED THEM DOWN OR KICK THEM ON THE WAY OUT. THAT IS ROBBERY. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE SCALE, IT IS DIFFERENT BUT STILL CLASSIFIED AS ROBBERY. WHEN YOU THINK OF IT, WE HAD ONE. THAT WAS WHAT EVERYONE WOULD CONSIDER IT TO BE, AND THAT PERSON WAS ARRESTED. WE TAKE IT AS A ROBBERY AND WE MAY LOOK LATER ON AND IT MIGHT BE LOOKED AT AS A THEFT, BUT WE ARE RECORDING IT AS IT WAS REPORTED. WE SEE

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WERE TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS. WE HAVE ONE THAT IS COMING AND WE WILL BRING IN THE FUTURE TO THIS COUNSEL. YOU HAVE ALREADY FUNDED THAT. IT WILL BE A GAME CHANGER. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE JUST LIKE TODAY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REPORTED, SOME OF THE WINDOWS WE HAD IN THIS HOUSE OVERNIGHT WERE TAKEN. OR, AN APPLIANCE WAS TAKEN. A REFRIGERATOR, OR WASHER. AND WITH TAKEN THE REPORTS AND FOUND OUT LATER, SOME WERE NOT STOLEN, THEY WERE TAKEN FROM ONE HOME AND PUT IN ANOTHER TO EXTRADITE THE BUILD OUT OF THAT. WHEN THEY ARE REPORTED, WE TAKE THEM AS THEY ARE REPORTED. AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER, 45 REPORTED BURGLARIES OF THE BUILDING FOR A CITY THE SIZE, NOT TO MINIMIZE IT, BUT, IT IS NOT A LOT. 45 IS TOO MANY FOR ME. DO WE HAVE INITIATIVES AND SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THAT? YES. WE HAVE THE CAMERA SYSTEM WE WILL TALK ABOUT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THEFTS. IT IS A WIDE RANGE. WHEN A BICYCLE STOLEN OUT OF THE YARD TO SOMEONE GOING INTO A STORE AND WALKING OUT WITH A SIXPACK. THERE ARE MANY OFFENSES YOU WILL SEE HER. YOU WILL LOOK OVER AND SEE, THE NUMBERS ARE LOW WHEN YOU CONSIDER RELATIVELY SPEAKING, BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY TELLING. LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OFFENSES AND REPORTS WRITTEN AND GO DOWN TO CAD EVENTS. LOOK AT THE WHOLE NUMBER. I DID EXTERNAL BENCHMARKING AND LOOKED TO OTHER PARTNERS AROUND THIS AREA. ONE OF OUR PARTNERS THAT IS APPROXIMATELY TWICE THE SIZE OF US, I LOOKED AT THEIR EVENTS THAT THEY REPORTED AND THEY HAD 37,000 CALLS FROM SERVICE EVENTS. ANOTHER THAT IS SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THAT HAD 40,000. THAT WAS 2022. LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS. WE ARE NOT FAR BEHIND. WHERE WE ARE EXCEEDING IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE NUMBER OF CRIMES THAT WE HAVE, CRIME IN THE CITY IS NOT EXTREME TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I'M AFRAID TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE I MIGHT GET ROBBED OR SHOT. WE HAVE CRASHES. WE MIGHT GET REAR ENDED. BUT, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM 2022 TO 2023, THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC CRASHES DID NOT INCREASE TREMENDOUSLY. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE RED TO SAY THIS.

IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING WHEN WE WERE AT MINIMUM STAFFING, LOOK OUT WHEN WE HAVE FULL STAFF. WHAT IS AHEAD? THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. YOU WILL SEE A FULL TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION THAT IS WORKING TRAPPING TO ALLOW OUR OFFICERS DO NOT DIVERGE FROM CALLS. YOU WILL SEE BOTH STAFFING OF ALL SHIFTS AND ALL UNITS. AND WE ARE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR RATES BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO GET OFFICERS THAT ARE DOING SOME OF THE BASIC INVESTIGATIONS OF THE INITIAL INVESTIGATIONS WHEN THEY REPORT AND HAVE THE STAFFING TO WHERE THEY CAN ADDRESS THOSE CRIMES, AND NOT HAVE TO TRIAGE THOSE AND GIVE IT THE ATTENTION AND CARE TO THE CRIMES THAT MOST PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ARE MINOR. A CRIME IS MINOR, AND MIGHT BE MINOR, INTO MY WEEDEATER IS STOLEN. IT IS A MASSIVE ISSUE. OUR GOAL

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RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF OUR UNITS. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO A WHOLE LOT FOR THAT. WHEN WE HAVE THE STAFFING ISSUES, WE HAD TO COLLAPSE THOSE UNITS. OUR COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER POSITION. THAT POSITION BECAME A PATROL OFFICER. OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT. THAT IS A UNIT, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I AM ALWAYS TRANSPARENT. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, ASK ME, AND I WILL TELL YOU. IF WE HAD A FULLY ROBUST AND WORKING SIU, WE BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE HAD SYSTEMS IN PLACE OR RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT COULD HAVE HELPED US TO DETER THE HOMICIDE WE HAD. BECAUSE, WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE UNIT, THEY ARE TAPPED INTO SO MANY THINGS. THEY ARE TAPPED INTO SO MANY INDIVIDUALS. SO MANY RESOURCES TO WEAR, THAT INFORMATION IS BLOWING THAT CAN HELP DETOUR ISSUES. IF THERE IS A LOCATION WHERE WE BELIEVE THERE ARE HIGH ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, THEIR DOING SURVEILLANCE, COUNTERSURVEILLANCE, THEY ARE OUT OF CERTAIN HOMES TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DETOURING IN THOSE AREAS. WHEN WE HAVE HAD TO COLLAPSE THOSE, -- THAT UNIT IS ALIVE AND KICKING. DON'T TRY.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE COLLAPSED UNITS LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CORE SERVICES, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL SEE CRIME IN CERTAIN AREAS INCREASE. AND AGAIN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT REDRAWING THE MAPS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL DO TO IMPROVE RESPONSE TIME. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PORTION? TOO INDISCERNIBLE ] THAT IS AMAZING GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> SORRY. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I LIKE TO ASK, IS WHAT MORE CAN YOU DO? YOU ARE OUT THERE PROACTIVELY DOING MORE AND LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE ARE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU RESOURCES. THERE ARE ALWAYS PARTS OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT LOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE PRETTY VOCAL. BUT, THERE IS A LARGE PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEER. THINGS LIKE THAT. FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.

ALL KINDS OF REASONS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITIES. AND SO, YOU'RE GOING INTO THE SITUATION ON THE WORST DAY. AND SO, GETTING ALL OF THAT TRAINING HELPS YOU TO MAKE THE WORST DAY MAYBE NOT HAVE SOME OF THESE HORRIBLE OUTCOMES THAT SOME OF THESE DAYS HAVE HAD. THERE IS -- ANY CERTAIN SITUATION, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LUCK, AND IN OTHERS, THERE IS TRAINING AND SKILL. AND MINIMIZE HOW MUCH WE ARE RELYING ON LUCK TO AVOID THOSE, THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS.

I APPRECIATE YOU PROACTIVELY LOOKING FOR THOSE

OPPORTUNITIES. >> AND TO YOUR POINT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS A DEPARTMENT, IF THERE WILL BE A DECISION THAT WILL IMPACT PATROL, I ASKED A COMMAND SET, GET SOME OFFICERS IN AND LET'S TALK. I AM THE CHIEF OF THE CITY. I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PATROL OFFICER IN THE CITY. THE VANTAGE POINT, IF I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, I HAVE TO TALK TO THEM AND GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE. WE GIVE THEM THE PLATFORM TO SHARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEDBACK. BECAUSE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MY IDEA, IT JUST HAS TO BE THE BEST. ANY DECISION BEING MADE IS GOING TO IMPACT US. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS IMPACTING IT IN THE BEST WAY. WE HAVE TO BE GEARED TO WANTING TO KNOW MORE, AND LEARNING MORE. ONCE YOU HAVE REACHED THE POINT WHERE YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

THAT IS WHAT WE DO. WE PROBLEM-SOLVING LOOK AT GOOGLE OPPORTUNITIES. I AM A FIRM BELIEVER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GOOD IS GOOD, BUT IS NOT GREAT. HOW DO WE GET FROM GOOD TO GREAT? AND, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE VALUED BY THE COMMUNITY AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. TALK TO US.

COME OUT AND RIDE WITH US OR MAKE ME RIDE WITH YOU. WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO. I WANT TO TALK. THAT RAISES OUR LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING. WHEN YOU ARE SERVING A COMMUNITY THAT YOU

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>> GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, THE RESPONSE TIMES, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT GETTING OUR OWN DISPATCH? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE BE ADVISED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BUDGET FOR? IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO SEND OUT SOME SORT OF INDISCERNIBLE ] GET PRICING? HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT GETTING RESPONSE TIMES DOWN? GETTING A RESPONSE TIMES TO BE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO AND NOT WILLIAMSON COUNTY.

>> I'M GOING TO STOP YOU. THAT IS BROADER THAN THE POLICE CHIEF WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH. FIRST, WE HAVE THE COUNTY. THAT IS ONE ASPECT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH. BUT TO PROP UP YOUR OWN DISPATCH CENTER, IT TAKES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PLANNING, RESOURCES, YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE TO GET YOUR 911 PIECE OUT ASSIGNED. THAT GOES THROUGH THE COG. AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO GET IN PLACE. THE SERVERS HAVE TO BE BUILT. IF THE CITY COUNCIL WERE TO DECIDE IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU WANTED TO GO TO IN-HOUSE DISPATCH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THREE YEAR PATH TO GET FROM HERE TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT WILL BE

CHEAP. >> I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, OR MAYBE YOU DO. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE VOICES -- VERSUS SHORT, ARE YOU SPENDING THE SAME AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD IF YOU DID NOT HAVE IT IN HEALTH? ARE

YOU HAVING THAT SAME AMOUNT? >> NO. CHANCES ARE, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR YOU TO USE AN EXISTING SERVICE THAT IT WOULD BE TO STAND UP YOUR OWN. WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION, IT IS NOT USUALLY ABOUT THE CHEAPER OPTION. IT IS ABOUT

OTHER THINGS. >> ARE WE NEGOTIATING WITH WILLIAMSON COUNTY? ARE WE JUST AT THEIR MERCY?

>> THEY SET THE RATE FOR THE EXPENSE TO RUN DISPATCH. JUST LIKE WASTE WATER RATES. WE ARE A CONSUMER OF A SERVICE FROM THEM. THEY SAID, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS PER CALL. AND

THEN HOWEVER MANY WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE OTHER ASPECT IS CORDONING. IT IS ONE SYSTEM FOR EVERYTHING. HE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS.

>> IT HAS BEEN DISPATCHED THROUGH WILLIAMSON. EVEN IF WE

SET UP HER OWN DISPATCH. >> THE CALL GOES TO ONE PLACE.

YOU ARE SAYING ALL THE CALLS WOULD BE OVER AT THE COUNTY AND THEY WOULD FORWARD IT TO OUR DISPATCH? THAT COULD BE TRUE.

>> OR, IS COMING TO US AND WE HAVE TO FORWARD TO THE COUNTY.

SERVICES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS THAT COMES IN. I KNOW THE CHIEF IS PART OF THAT AS WELL. THAT WILL OFFER LOWER COSTS AND BETTER RESPONSE TIMES. THE BIGGER PART IS HAVING STAFFING. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHERE IT COMES FROM. THAT IS NOT THE BIG DELAY IN MY OPINION. IT IS THE STAFFING

LEVEL. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. HOW

LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? >> APRIL WILL BE TWO YEARS. I LOOK AT THE LIST AND I MOVING UP TO LONG TENURED.

>> I WILL BE THERE COUPLE HOW I SAY THIS. JONES KNOWS MY HISTORY WITH THE OTHER CHIEFS DUE TO LITIGATION YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT. I WILL NOT MENTION NAMES. CHIEF STEWART, IN MY MIND, LOOKS LIKE A TRIAGE INTERIM CHIEF. AT THAT POINT, WE ALMOST AT ONE POINT, 80% OF THE POLICE FORCE WAS SURVEYED AND LEAVE AND QUIT THE JOB. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ALL OF THE OFFICERS ALL OF A SUDDEN QUIT. NO ONE WAS HAPPY.

NO ONE WANTED TO BE A COP. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME TO WORK.

THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE IN HUTTO. WE HAVE TALKED BEFORE FROM YOUR FIRST WEEK WHEN YOU GAVE TACOS TO THE CROSSING GUARD AND SOMEONE CALLED ME AND SAID, WHO IS THIS GUY? THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WE HAVE NEVER SEEN. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS,

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>> WE ARE PROUD TO DO IT. IT IS A PRIVILEGE. I CAN SAY IT'S AN HONOR BUT IT IS MORE THAN THAT. IT IS A PRIVILEGE. THANK YOU.

>> NOW FOR THE SECOND HOUR. I WANT TO DO OUR 2023 ANNUAL RACIAL PROFILING DATA REPORT. THE STATE REQUIRES US TO DO THIS ANNUALLY. WE HAVE TO GET THIS REPORT PRESENTED AND PROVIDED TO COUNSEL BEFORE MARCH 1ST. THE TEXAS CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURES LAYS OUT WHAT RACIAL PROFILING IS. LAW ENFORCEMENT INITIATED ACTION BASED ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S RACE AND ETHNICITY, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, RATHER THAN ON THE INDIVIDUAL'S BEHAVIOR OR ON INFORMATION IDENTIFYING THE INDIVIDUAL AS HAVING ENGAGED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, WHEN OFFICES ARE ABLE TO WORK TRAFFIC, AND WHEN THEY DO, WHAT ARE THE OBJECTIVES? TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY. REDUCE UNSAFE DRIVING INCIDENTS AND TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. WE ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE LAWS ARE AND TO COMPLY WITH THOSE SO THAT WE CAN ALL MOVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY SAFELY. I REMEMBER THE FORMER MAYOR ASKING ME, WHAT IS WHERE THE BEST THINGS -- ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC SPEEDING? AND I SAID, AS WEIRD AS IT SOUNDS, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS IS, OFFICERS BEING VISIBLE. WHEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICER DRIVING THROUGH OR MAKING A TRAFFIC STOP AND PEOPLE SEE THAT, THEY ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FEEL, AS WE BUILD UP OUR STAFFING AND START TO DEPLOY OUR OFFICERS IN MORE TARGETED AREAS AND TARGETED DISTRICTS, THAT VISIBILITY IS GOING TO INCREASE. IT IS A DETERRENT TO SPEEDING, TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, AND CRIME. THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE. YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WHAT WE FOCUS ON IS NOT SO MUCH TRAFFIC CITATIONS, WE GIVE MORE WARNINGS THAN CITATIONS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT WE DO HAVE A POLICY ON POLICING.

WE ALSO HAVE IT TO WHERE WE ARE PUBLISHING OUR COMPLAINT PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES. IF A CITIZEN HAS A COMPLAINT, AND THINKS THEY HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO RACIAL PROFILING, FILE A COMPLAINT. WE HAVE DISCIPLINARY GUIDELINES SET UP. IF AN OFFICER HAS ENGAGED IN THAT, WE TAKE ACTION. OUR COMMUNITY IS JUST LIKE -- THEY LOOK AT US TO SEE HOW WE DO IT. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE DEAL WITH ISSUES. IF YOU DON'T DEAL WITH ISSUES, THEY BECOME A PROBLEM THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH. OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DEALING WITH THINGS. WHEN YOU CARE ABOUT EVERYONE, I TOLD ONE OF OUR OFFICERS ABOUT PATROLLING AND WORKING THE COMMUNITY, YOU MIGHT GO TO A HOUSE, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A HUSBAND AND WIFE THAT ARE AT ODDS, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH IT, BE IN THE MIND-SET OF, THIS IS YOUR BROTHER AND SISTER. DO WHAT IS THE BEST. IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH. DO IT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU LOVE

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THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS FOR 2023, WE HAD A LITTLE OVER 5900. IF YOU LOOK, THE VAST MAJORITY WERE ON CITY STREETS.

OUR OFFICERS ARE WORKING INSIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'RE WORKING MORE THAN THEY ARE IN THE HIGHWAYS. THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN WE HAVE A ROW BEST -- ROBUST TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT GROUP. YOU HAVE CALLS OF PEOPLES TRAFFICKING DRUGS OR MONIES AND WERE MAKING SEIZURES ON THOSE ILL-GOTTEN GAINS. YOU WILL SEE, THERE WILL COME A TIME WHERE WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ACTIVELY HAVE A TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. WE WILL INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS. BUT THE CORE OF WHAT WE SERVE HAS BEEN INSIDE OUR COMMUNITIES. LOOK AT THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT AND SAY, HOW CAN YOU STOP ONE PARTICULAR RACE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY IN YOUR COMMUNITY? WHAT PEOPLE REALIZE, THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF ASIAN/PACIFIC ISLANDERS, BLACK , HISPANIC, WHITE. THIS IS NOT A REFLECTION OF THOSE IN THE POPULATION.

WHEN YOU HAVE VEHICLES COMING THROUGH, THESE ARE MOBILE. YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM TAYLOR OR THORNDALE. OR JUST VISITING OR COMING THROUGH FROM ROUND ROCK. YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER USING OUR HIGHWAYS. THE TRAFFIC STOPS ARE NOT A REFLECTION OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OR POPULATION OF THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, I HATE COMING HERE EVERY YEAR, AND THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR I'VE HAD TO COME AND SAY, FEMALES ARE BETTER DRIVERS THAN MEN. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. THIS IS THE SECOND TIER. GUYS, COME ON. ANYWAY. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON FROM THAT ONE. WAS RACE KNOWN PRIOR TO STOPS? THIS IS AMAZING. A LARGE PORTION OF THE PEOPLE, WHEN YOU CONSIDER TRAFFIC STOPS, THE RACE IS NOT KNOWN. WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHERE RACE COULD BE NO? I COULD BE SITTING LIKE I HAVE BEEN ON FRONT STREET, AND SOMEBODY RUNS THE STOP SIGN. I CAN SEE THAT PERSON GO PAST ME. RACE IS NOT A FACTOR. ONE THING PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THIS DEPARTMENT, IF WE HAVE A TRAFFIC INFRACTION AND SOMEONE SPEEDING, THE FIRST ONE WE DO IS, WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR RADAR AND VEHICLE AND LICENSE PLATE. IF IT GETS DOWN THE ROAD, I WANT TO IDENTIFY THE LICENSE PLATE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRIVER LOOKS LIKE. THAT DOES NOT HELP ME WHEN I TURN AROUND.

IF I SEE THE DRIVER, I MAY NOT SEE THE VEHICLE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE VEHICLE LOOKS LIKE. IF THEY TURN ON 60 NORTH, AND I'M FOLLOWING THE VEHICLE, WHERE LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE AND LICENSE PLATE. WE ARE LOOKING AT ANY INDICATION IN CASE WE LOSE SIGHT WHERE WE CAN RECOVER THAT VEHICLE AND MAKE THAT STOP. RACE IS NOT A FACTOR THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU MAKE A TRAFFIC STOP. THE REASON FOR THE STOP. IF THERE WAS NOT A VIOLATION OF LAW, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE NUMBER. WE HAVE PRE-EXISTING KNOWLEDGE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU WILL HEAR ON THE RADIO WHEN YOU COME OUT AND DO RIDE ALONG'S, YOU WILL HEAR ON THE RADIO, THERE IS A CALL COMING OUT WHERE THERE IS A BEAGLE -- VEHICLE THAT IS DRIVING NORTH. THERE IS A PERSON FOLLOWING. THEY ARE ABOUT TO TURN EAST ON 79.

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MOVING VIOLATIONS COMING THROUGH OUR CITY, VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS COMING THROUGH. THESE ARE THE REFLECTIONS OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE. SEARCHES CONDUCTED.

THERE MANY TIMES WHERE WE WILL HAVE A VEHICLE WHEN YOU WALK UP TO A PERSON AND YOU MAY HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY BE REALLY NICE, AND REALLY KIND. THEY'RE WAVING WHEN THEY LET THE WINDOW DOWN. YOU GET A BUZZ BY THE CONTACT. IF YOU SPELL IT COMING OUT OF THE VEHICLE, THAT GIVES YOU PROBABLE CAUSE TO SEARCH.

OR YOU WALK UP AND YOU SEE THEY HAVE CONTRABAND IN PLAIN VIEW.

THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY A VEHICLE SEARCH IS CONDUCTED.

ALSO, IF YOU MAKE AN ARREST AND YOU DO INVENTORY OR A SEARCH TO THAT ARREST -- THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY A BEAGLE SEARCH. A LARGE MAJORITY ARE NOT SEARCHED UNLESS THE OFFICER HAS A LEGAL REASON TO SEARCH. LOOK AT THE WRITTEN WARNINGS VERSUS TRAFFIC CITATIONS. YOU GET MORE WARNINGS. THERE MANY TIMES WE WANT TO EDUCATE DRIVERS TO THE INFRACTIONS. THEY WILL GET PULLED OVER. AND YOU WILL SAY, DO YOU REALIZE YOU RAN THE STOP SIGN? YOU HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS. WE HAD EXECUTIVES FROM SAMSUNG THAT CAME OVER TO A MEETING, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE AND WE WANT TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE GUYS SAID, I GOT PULLED OVER IN TAYLOR. I SAID, DID THEY EDUCATE YOU? AND HE SAID, NO, THEY WROTE A CITATION. AND I SAID, NEXT TIME GET PULLED OVER IN HUTTO. IF YOU LOOK, WE HAVE A LOT OF CITY ORDINANCES. WE HAVE NOT ARISEN ANYONE. THERE ARE SOME THAT WE COULD, BUT WE JUST DON'T. HERE'S THE THING. I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN IT COMES TO ARRESTS , IF THE OFFICER HAS TO MAKE AN ARREST, YOU ARE TAKING THAT OFFICER OUT OF ACTION. IF YOU ARE ON A SHIFT WITH MINIMAL STAFFING, YOU HAVE AN OFFICER THAT HAS YOU TRANSPORT THE INDIVIDUAL TO GEORGETOWN. IF IT IS A MAJOR CRIME, THEY ARE THERE FOR A WHILE. AND THEY ARE OUT OF SERVICE. THE LOAD IS CARRIED BY THE OFFICERS HERE. MANY OFFICERS HAVE HAD TO MAKE AN ARREST AND WE HAVE HAD TO CALL SOMEONE TO COVER THE SHIFT UNTIL THEY GOT BACK. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS ARRESTED WITH OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. THERE WAS A SITUATION A FEW WEEKS AGO, OUT EAST OF TOWN. JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO COVERT. I HEARD ON THE RADIO, THE PERSON THE OFFICER WAS OUT ON, WAS A PERSON THAT WAS WANTED FOR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON. THEY WERE TOLD TO BE ADVISED THAT THERE WAS A WEAPON. I HAPPENED TO BE IN THE AREA AND I STOPPED AND PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR THE OFFICERS. I AM ON THE TRAFFIC STOP. THERE WERE TWO INDIVIDUALS. THEY CHECKED THE VEHICLE BEFORE THEY LET THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL WHO DID NOT HAVE AWARD BACK IN THE VEHICLE AND WE ADDRESSED THAT INDIVIDUAL. IF YOU SEE THE OFFICERS AND DO A RIDE ALONG, YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND THEY DO IT WELL. LIKE I SAID, WE ARE NOT OUT LOOKING TO HARM ANYONE. WE ARE LOOKING TO HELP EVERYONE. PERFECT EXAMPLE. ONE OF THE NEW OFFICERS WHO CAME FROM AUSTIN, HE IS FINISHING UP HIS TRAINING. HE SAID, IN MY FIRST FIELD TRAINING, MY FIRST MONTH, HE MADE THREE DWI ARRESTS. HE CAME FROM AUSTIN. HE SAID I MADE THREE. AND EVERY

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THE REASON WHY YOU SEE -- IF YOU ARREST THEM, WHY WOULD YOU WRITE IN A CITATION OR WARNING? MANY TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL PULLED OVER, YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT IS PULLED FOR SPEEDING. YOU PULL THEM AND YOU SMELLED MARIJUANA AND YOU SEARCH THE VEHICLE AND YOU FIND A KILO OF COCAINE. YOUR PROBABLE CAUSE WAS THE SPEEDING. THAT HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED WHETHER IT IS A WRITTEN WARNING OR CITATION.

THAT IS YOUR PROBABLE CAUSE. OTHERWISE, WHAT WAS YOUR REASON FOR GETTING INTO THE VEHICLE? WHEN SOME ARE MOVING VIOLATIONS, THERE WILL BE A WARNING OR CITATION. SOME WERE FOR VIOLATIONS WHERE THEY COULD BE FELONY AND IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM OR A VARIETY OF THINGS OR IT IS EIGHT TRAFFIC LAW VIOLATION. YOU HAVE SOMEONE DOING THINGS IN THEIR VEHICLE THAT VIOLATE THE LAW AND JUSTIFIES ARREST. THERE WAS ONLY ONE THIS YEAR. WAS PHYSICAL FORCE USED THIS YEAR? NO. WE HAD ONE LAST YEAR AND I THINK I SAID, IT WAS A DWI WHERE PERSON BECAME COMBATIVE AND TRIED TO FIGHT. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY THIS YEAR. LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ENCOUNTERS AND CITATIONS AND TRAFFIC STOPS. AND THE NUMBER OF PHYSICAL FORCE USED AND THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS WE HAD. AND THAT IS ADMIRABLE. THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED FROM JANUARY 1ST 2023 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2023 FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THEIR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED OR THEY ARE SUBJECTED TO RACIAL PROFILING. THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS ARE ZERO. THANK YOU. AND SO AS A RESULT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS RACIAL PROFILING LAWS. SEE MAC I WAS WAITING UNTIL YOU FINISH.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> YOU DID GOOD. THANKS. IT'S

[13.5. Discussion and possible action on the Mayor’s annual Golf Tournament (Councilmember Brian Thompson)]

FROM COUNSEL? >> THANK YOU. CIVIC NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 13.5 UP. HEARING NONE, WE WILL GO TO 13.5. DISCUSSION OF ACTION ON THE ANNUAL GOLF

TOURNAMENT. >> I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. NO DISRESPECT TO THE MAYOR, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT CITY TITLES ARE BEING USED FOR A PERSONAL EVENT. AND TO PROVIDE LEGITIMACY. THERE FOR, THE PUBLIC IS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS IS A CITY EVENT. AND SO, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM OUR LEGAL STANDPOINT, AS THE MAYOR IS MARKETING THIS AS A POTENTIAL GOLF TOURNAMENT, AND USING HIS TITLE, IF IT IS A PRIVATE TOURNAMENT FOR NONPROFIT, THAT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING. THAT IS FINE. BUT IF IT IS A MAYOR FUND RAISER EVENTS PER THE EMAIL WE RECEIVED LAST FRIDAY, I THINK IT PASSED AS AN EVENT THAT SHOULD BE NOTED ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND I HAVE ANOTHER POINT AS WELL.

>> WE ADDRESSED THIS LAST YEAR. IT CAME UP IN NOVEMBER OF 2022. THE RESEARCH INDICATED, HE WAS NOT USING HIS TITLE FOR ANY KIND OF PERSONAL GAIN. IT WAS A NONPROFIT. I KNOW THE MAYOR IS INVOLVED IN THE NONPROFIT. SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE WERE, WHETHER THE CITY WANTS TO ASK THE MAYOR TO PLACE ON THE INFORMATION FOR THE TOURNAMENT THAT IT IS NOT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT. OR COUNSEL WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER. SEE MAC I HAVE

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HAS HIS NAME ON IT? >> THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST REALLY DOES NOT APPLY. THAT IS -- OF WHETHER YOU RECEIVE A SALARY OR HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY AND THE FOUNDATION, OR ONE OF YOUR RELATIVES WITHIN THE STATUTE RECEIVES MONEY FROM THE FOUNDATION. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE SITUATIONS DON'T APPLY FOR THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THE KEY IS, LOOK AT IF THE MAYOR IS RECEIVING PERSONAL GAIN OR PRIVATE BENEFITS. WHEN IT CAME A PLEASURE, WE COULD NOT FIND IT.

>> EVEN IF HE FOUNDED THE FOUNDATION? HE HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS QUITE A BIT. I DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE NONPROFITS -- ANYTHING TO COME UPON THEM OR COME BACK TO THE CITY, -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PROTECTED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINANCES ARE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HAS BEEN GIVEN. I DON'T WANT TO SEEM LIKE IT IS EIGHT HUTTO THING. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TOO CRAZY TO COME OUT. AND THEY SAY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY HAS DONE THIS, I DON'T WANT ANY MORE LAWSUITS.

I DON'T WANT US TO LOOK CRAZY. LOOKING AT THE SPONSORS FROM THE TOURNAMENT, A LOT OF THEM HAVE SOME SORT OF AFFILIATION WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO. COULD THAT BE AN ISSUE? LOOK AT THE SPONSORS. COULD IT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? THAT IS HIS FOUNDATION. DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT COME ON US.

THAT THIS IS NOT A COUNSEL EVENT OR CITY EVENT. SEE MAC YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE SPONSORS TO SEE, ARE THEY RECEIVING ANY KIND OF PRIVATE GAIN FROM PARTICIPATING IN THIS GOLF TOURNAMENT. FROM POTENTIALLY THE MAYOR, WHATEVER.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE. THE CITIZENS DON'T KNOW. IF IT COMES OUT SOMEWHERE OR SOMEBODY GETS A NEWS ARTICLE, HOW WOULD THEY KNOW THAT? HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES?

>> AS FAR AS BEING A SPONSOR FOR THIS TYPE OF EVENT, I BELIEVE THEY PAY THE SPONSORSHIP FEE. HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER ACTION TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT IT. OTHER THAN THAT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS NO STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN THIS EVENT. BECAUSE IF THERE WAS, THAT WOULD BE IMPROPER USE OF CITY RESOURCES. THIS IS NOT AN EVENT SPONSORED BY THE CITY.

IF COUNSEL HAS CONCERN, PERHAPS ASKING THE MAYOR IF THEY WOULD PUT ON THE LITERATURE AND THE WEBSITE, OR THE FIRES THAT GO OUT, THAT IS NOT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT. JUST TO MAKE

IT CLEAR. >> I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SAYS THE CITY OF HUTTO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD NOT HURT ANY OF US OR THE NONPROFIT THAT GAIN THE MONEY. IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GET MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE. HE GOES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- IF IT DIDN'T SAY THE MAYOR, IF IT SAID THE FOUNDATION, IT WOULD NOT BE SO BAD. OR IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH LITIGATION. IF WE COULD NOT TIE US INTO ANY EXTRA ISSUES. CAN WE TAKE THE MAYOR OFF? I DON'T KNOW.

>> IT IS NOT THE CITY. >> BUT, THE TITLE OF MAYOR.

>> SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK IT IS.

>>'S LEGAL REMEDY WOULD BE TO ASK THE MAYOR IF HE WOULD MAKE

IT CLEAR ON THE LITERATURE. >> WE COULD NOT FIND ANY PROHIBITION FOR THE MAYOR USING HIS TITLE FOR THIS EVENT. WE COULD NEVER FIND WHERE HE IS RECEIVING ANY PRIVATE GAIN.

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>> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IT IS A GREAT NONPROFIT.

>> THANK YOU, BY THE WAY. >> IT IS. I LOVE ALL OF THESE

PEOPLE. >> BUT, SORRY -- MY ONLY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ABLE TO USE THAT TITLE, IF YOU ARE NO LONGER THE MAYOR? HE IS TERM LIMITED. BUT IF YOU WANT THIS TO GO ON, THAT WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER MAYOR, CAN YOU STILL CALL IT THE MAYOR MIKEY TOURNAMENT?

>> NO. >> IF THE TOURNAMENT IS IN THE FUTURE, AND THIS MAYOR IS NO LONGER THE MAYOR, BUT ANOTHER MAYOR DECIDES THEY WANT TO CONTINUE, HE CAN AS LONG AS HE

IS NOT RECEIVING PRIVATE GAIN. >> WHAT I AM SAYING, THE FOUNDATION WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THAT MAYOR TO USE A MAYOR OF HUTTO. THAT IS MY QUESTION.

>> THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. THE NEW SITTING MAYOR, IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE FOUNDATION, THAT MAYOR AFFILIATED TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING THE NAME TO

BE USED. >> CANNOT BE VAGUE AND

INDEPENDENTLY DECIDED. >>

>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A MAYOR GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE CITY, BUT HE IS THE MAYOR, THE TITLE OF MAYOR, IS GIVEN WHENEVER YOU WIN THE ELECTION, YOU CAN HAVE A MAYOR GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. YOU CAN HAVE LARGE SPONSORS WHO MANAGE THE TRASH AND SECURITY MANAGES BONDS, YOU CAN HAVE THESE PEOPLE AS SPONSORS FOR A TOURNAMENT, AND THERE IS NO BLURRING OF LINES FOR THEM TO BE FINANCIALLY

INVOLVED WITH HIS TOURNAMENT? >> IS A FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE TOURNAMENT FROM THE SPONSORS. THERE IS NO CONNECTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE A MINISTRATION, OR YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISER, OR YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR SOLID WASTE CONTRACTOR.

THERE IS NO DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN SPONSORS AND ANY KIND OF BENEFIT. SPONSORS LOOK AT THESE THINGS AS A WAY TO GIVE

BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. >> BUT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY.

>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, THE NONPROFITS THAT RAISE THE MONEY GIVE TO AND IT HAS BEEN SET OUT HERE -- SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS, IT IS A GREAT CAUSE. SPONSORS, I DON'T KNOW WHY -- I NEED TO DISCLOSE OUR LAW FIRM MADE A CONTRIBUTION LAST YEAR. AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PRIVATE BENEFIT.

>> OKAY. SO, I WILL SAY THIS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. I POSTED MY NUMBER ON SOCIAL MEDIA. EVERYBODY KNOWS MY EMAIL. I DID NOT KNOW THAT THEY HAD CONCERNS LAST YEAR. AFTER THE EVENTS, I KNOW CLARK MENTIONED, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS, PEOPLE REFUSE TO REACH OUT AND ASK QUESTIONS. WE HAVE $39 MILLION IN THE WASTEWATER AND WATER THINGS. AS CURRENTLY LISTED. IN FIVE YEARS, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX IT. AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN HUTTO IS, THE MAYOR IS HOLDING A GOLF TOURNAMENT , AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY. WHERE WASTING TIME. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I AM NOT ON THE BOARD OF THE FOUNDATION. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD FROM THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION, I HOPE TO START IT. I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH IT. I DID ASK THE FOUNDATION BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY WOULD CALM AND EXPLAIN AND MAYBE ADD COLOR -- IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE CONCERNS -- IF YOU WANT TO?

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COME UP. >> WHILE THEY ARE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO CREATE A RESOLUTION THAT DOES NOT ALLOW COUNCILMEMBER, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, TO USE THEIR TITLE IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN OFFICIAL

CITY BUSINESS. >> I'M GOING TO START WITH

WHAT I WROTE. >> IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM.

>> OKAY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AMY PATTON AND I AM THE FOUNDATION PRESIDENT HERE WITH MY BOARD MEMBERS. DEBBIE USED TO BE THE MAYOR HERE. OBVIOUSLY, THE MAYOR IS HERE.

HE IS NOT ON OUR BOARD. HE MAKES NO DECISIONS. THAT IS OUR JOB. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY, I NEED TO GIVE YOU MY PHONE NUMBER. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED SO EASILY. BY YOU JUST REACHING OUT AND SAYING, I HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TOURNAMENT. I AM HAPPY TO TAKE YOU COFFEE. WE CAN TALK.

I'M REALLY FRIENDLY, I PROMISE. IT IS FRUSTRATING TO HAVE TO BE UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS, WHEN I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE MUCH MORE PRESSING MATTERS AT HAND. PLEASE, GET MY NUMBER FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. OR FROM THE MAYOR.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU. THE FOUNDATION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OUR MAYOR NOTICED THERE WAS A NEED THAT HAD TO BE MET. OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS DO A WONDERFUL JOB HERE. AND COULD DO EVEN MORE WITH INCREASED FUNDING. THE MAYOR KNEW THERE WAS A LIMITED AMOUNT THAT THE CITY COULD GIVE AND HE DECIDED TO CREATE THE FOUNDATION. THIS NONPROFIT CONSISTS OF MYSELF AND OTHERS. OUR GOAL IS TO LESSEN THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF THE CITY AND WRITE BIG CHECKS TO THE NONPROFITS THROUGH HOSTING EVENTS LIKE THE GOLF TOURNAMENT. I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN WITH THE TOURNAMENT NAME. LET ME ASSURE YOU, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE INCLUSION OF THE MAYOR OR ANY MAYORS WHO COME AFTER OR THE ONES HERE BEFORE. THIS IS AN EVENT THAT WE HOPE WILL GAIN TRACTION AND GROW. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE COULD GET SO MUCH FUNDING, THAT ALL OF THE NONPROFITS ARE TAKING CARE OF BY THE FOUNDATION? WE ARE SETTING BIG GOALS TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. LASTLY, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PLAY, I HEAR BRIAN AND PETER ARE GOOD. HAVE FUN AND SUPPORT OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS. GET A TEAM AND SIGN UP. IT IS A GREAT TIME AND GOOD CAUSE. THANK YOU, AND I HAVE

SOMETHING FOR YOU. >> WHILE SHE IS DOING THAT, I WILL THROW IN THERE, WHEN THE MAYOR ASKED IF I WOULD PARTICIPATE ON THE BOARD, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING. PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE TITLE. AMY MADE THE COMMENTS, THE MAYOR IS NOT A BOARD MEMBER. WE CONSIDER HIM A FOUNDER OF THE FOUNDATION. HE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE FUNDS. THAT IS ALL ON US. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE ANY OTHER FORMER MAYORS, WE DON'T HAVE MANY THAT STILL LIVE HERE, BUT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REACH OUT AND SEE IF THAT WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER THAT THERE ARE OTHER FORMER MAYORS THAT SIT ON THE BOARD. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I WOULD ALSO NOT BE SURPRISED IF THERE AREN'T OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THAT TAKE TITLES THAT ARE NAME CATCHERS, JUST TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IT. AND COUNCILMEMBER BRIAN THOMPSON, THE COMMENTS ABOUT IF THERE WAS A SPECIAL GAIN OR SOME OF THE SPONSORS THAT HAVE BENEFITED OR WE HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEM, I MERELY THOUGHT OF THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION. THEY HAVE GOT DONORS THAT ARE DEEP POCKETS. THEY ARE CONSULTANTS OF THE DISTRICT. THAT IS ALL THEY ARE DOING. JUST LIKE THE ATTORNEY SAID. THEY ARE JUST MAKING A CONTRIBUTION. IT IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE. IN TERMS OF INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE GAINING ANYTHING FROM IT, THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION AND I AM SORRY THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NATURE OF THE LIFE IN HUTTO, THAT EVERYONE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO SECOND-GUESS SOMEONE. WE'RE

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>> TWO YEARS AGO, THE AMERICAN LEGION WAS LEFT OUT OF FUNDING.

HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL REACHING OUT WITH THEIR CONTACTS, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE VAN THAT THEY DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR MEMBERS. LAST YEAR, THEY DID FINALLY GET APPROVED FOR THE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING. I WAS ABLE TO GET A PASSENGER VAN.

INDISCERNIBLE ] PRIOR TO THAT, THEY NEEDED A VAN FOR THE INITIATIVE THAT THEY DO THAT SERVES THE VETERANS. I THINK HE HAS INVITED ALL OF YOU AT SOME POINT TO COME OUT.

INDISCERNIBLE ] THEY GET DONATIONS FROM LOCAL COMPANIES IN THE AUSTIN AREA AND OPEN THEIR FACILITY TO COME AND GET IT FOR FREE WHATEVER THEY NEED. HOUSEHOLD GOODS, FOOD, HOUSE SUPPLIES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THEY NOW HAVE A PASSENGER VAN. THEY ARE NOW ABLE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY GET TO THE BA AND DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS. TO GET TO THOSE WHO CANNOT DRIVE AT NIGHT. TO GO TO THEIR EVENTS. SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY COME TO MEETINGS TO GO TO DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS, TO PICK UP MEDICINES, TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO PRIOR. TO SIT AND TRY TO MAKE THIS A NEFARIOUS ACT, IS SHAMEFUL. AND I HOPE YOU WILL PARTICIPATE AND COME SEE. WE HAD A GREAT TIME LAST YEAR. WE DID HAVE A GREAT TIME.

>> I HAVE TO CLARIFY. TWO YEARS AGO, WE APPLIED FOR AN OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING A GROUND GRANT. THROUGH THE MEMBERS, ONE STILL SITTING, THEY TURNED US DOWN. HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED A VAN. BASICALLY, IT WAS TO GO AROUND AND PICK UP THE GOODS SO WE CAN TO OUR INITIATIVE. AS WELL AS GETTING THE MATERIAL BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. WITH HER IS SCHOOLS OR OTHER NONPROFITS. TO THE RESOURCE CENTER. WHEREVER WE CAN HELP. LAST YEAR, ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS WAS, SOME OF OUR MEMBERS CANNOT MAKE EVENTS. THOSE THAT CANNOT DRIVE ANYMORE. THEY ARE ELDERLY OR HAVE A PHYSICAL DISABILITY. WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO MAKE RUNS TO THE BA. WE DECIDED TO APPLY FOR A GRANT TO THE CITY AGAIN FOR A PASSENGER VAN.

WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN. YOU GAVE US A $25,000 GRANT AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE. WE REALLY ARE. WE NEEDED THE VAN.

THE MONEY THOUGH, THAT WE SET ASIDE FROM THE GOLF TOURNAMENT, AS WE HAD TO GO OUTSIDE TO ANOTHER AGENCY TO GET FUNDING THAT YEAR FOR THE CARGO VAN. THE MONEY FROM THE TOURNAMENT FROM LAST YEAR, THAT WE WERE GOING TO SET ASIDE FOR UPGRADING OUR SCHOLARSHIPS AND OTHER SERVICES, AS WELL AS GET A FACILITY, WE HAD TO APPLY TO THE VAN. THE STIPULATION WITH YOUR $25,000 GRANT WAS, WE HAD TO SHOW YOU HOW WE ARE USING THE VAN. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VAN. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE. THIS GOLF TOURNAMENT IS WHAT SAVED US.

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THING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IT HAS BEEN OFFICIAL. IT IS NOT NEFARIOUS. MY CONCERN IS, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS QUITE OFTEN WITH THE MAYOR. AND I DON'T WANT THE ATTENTION THAT HE HAS HAD TO TAKE AWAY FROM OUR NONPROFITS OR THE GOOD THAT THE FOUNDATION IS DOING. I UNDERSTAND NOW.

IT'S JUST THE TITLE. IT IS THE TITLE GETTING THE ATTENTION OF THE GOLF TOURNAMENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY HAVE HAD THIS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS EXTREMELY NEGATIVE, AND UPSETTING WHEN YOU LOVE A CITY SO MUCH, AND I CAN TELL YOU, SO MANY PEOPLE FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE AMAZING PEOPLE, AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO FAMILIES THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT THE NEGATIVE ATTENTION THAT HAS COME TO HUTTO TO BE ATTACHED TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO AND THE FAMILIES WE SERVE. THAT IS MY CONCERN WITH USING HIS NAME. I DON'T WANT BE IN THE NEWS ANYMORE.

>> WE DO SO MUCH MORE. TOO AND HERE'S ANOTHER THOUGHT. THE MAYOR HAS THIS STATUS. AND SOME PEOPLE THINK HE IS THIS WAY, AND SOME PEOPLE THINK HE IS THAT WAY. BUT NOBODY GETS THE CHANCE TO ACTUALLY MEET HIM. AND LET'S SAY, IT IS MAYOR MIKE OR NEXT YEAR, IT IS A DIFFERENT MAYOR. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME TO COME UP AND RUB SHOULDERS AND SAY, I AM AMY, HOW ARE YOU? IT TAKES AWAY -- NOT THE STATUS, BUT IT MAKES THE MAYOR UNAPPROACHABLE PERSON. SO THE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PLAY GOLF IN COMMON TO CHAT. I'M HOPING THAT FUTURE MAYORS SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE A GOOD NAME FOR THEMSELVES. I CAN THINK SOMETHING ABOUT YOU AND SAY, I HAVE HEARD THIS OR THAT BUT UNTIL I SIT DOWN AND CHAT WITH YOU, I SHOULD NOT BE JUDGING.

>> PERCEPTION IS REALITY. THEY ARE ON THE NEWS EVERY OTHER

WEEK. >> REGARDLESS, I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY --

>> WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS OR THAT THE MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO, DON'T HAVE IT

NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEM. >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> MEDLIN. I WAS HER TEACHER. I DON'T WANT THE SANDBOX -- WE GET TEXT MESSAGES ALL DAY. THE LAST THING I WANT IS FOR ERE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ATTACHED TO THIS.

>> THAT WOULD SHOW THE CHARACTER OF THAT PERSON.

>> IF I COULD ASK YOU QUESTION? TO THE COUNCILMEMBERS CONCERNED, I GUESS IN MY -- WHEN IT COMES TO SELECTING THE

NONPROFITS -- >> YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO.

>> DO THEY KNOW THIS IS FOR THE GOLF TOURNAMENT WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? I GUESS THAT SOMEHOW I AM INVOLVED?

>> DOES WHO KNOW? >> THE NONPROFITS. DO THEY KNOW THAT THE MAYOR IS HAVING A GOLF TOURNAMENT?

>> NO. EVERYBODY KNOWS. IT IS OBVIOUS. IS SAYS IT'S IN THE

FIRES. >> I THINK THERE IS MISCOMMUNICATION. WHERE SOME PEOPLE THINK IT MIGHT BE INVOLVED, AND THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY. TO MAKE SURE THAT YES, YOU ARE THE FOUNDER, AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THE HARD WORK, BUT YOU DON'T MAKE DECISIONS.

>> TO YOUR POINT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO STATE EMPHATICALLY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR NONPROFITS. I THINK IT IS A GREAT THING. A CITY CANNOT RUN WITHOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE SO MANY NECESSITIES FOR CITIZENS THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT. TO YOUR POINT, SAYING THE MAYOR IS NOT INVOLVED, I THINK MAKING SURE WE HAVE A RESOLUTION WHERE YOU CANNOT USE THE TITLE OF MAYOR OR THE COUNCILMEMBERS CANNOT USE THEIR PLACES, FOR ANY SORT OF CITY BUSINESS OR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, I THINK THIS WOULD SOLVE THIS THIS NOTION THAT YOU ARE PRESENTING.

>> I THINK YOU MISSED THE POINT.

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>> I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO SAY ONE THING. THE POINT HE'S TRYING TO MAKE, IS A BRANDING THING. SAY A DIFFERENT PERSON AFTER -- THAT PERSON DOES NOT WANT TO BE ACCUSED THAT I'M USING THAT. SO THEY SAY, YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO USE IT. WHY WOULD YOU BUILD A BRAND WHERE YOU POTENTIALLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, THE MAYOR'S GOLF TOURNAMENT? I THINK THAT IS THE POINT YOU ARE MISSING. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE IT UNLESS THE PERSON AND HAS THE TITLE, GIVES YOU PERMISSION. RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE PERMISSION. BUT IN THE FUTURE, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PERSON THAT SAYS, JUST AS THE BEAR RIGHT NOW DOESN'T WANT TO DO THINGS, SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, I'M GETTING SOME KIND OF INTANGIBLE BENEFIT OR YOU THINK I'M BETTER BECAUSE I'M DOING THIS GOLF TOURNAMENT. HE IS NOT PART OF. BUT PUBLIC PERCEPTION WOULD BE, THIS MAYOR IS DOING THIS GREAT THING EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT ON THE BOARD.

PERCEPTION BECOMES REALITY. A DIFFERENT PERSON MIGHT SAY, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO SAY I'M GETTING ADDITIONAL PERCEPTION.

IT SHOULD BE THE FOUNDATION GOLF TOURNAMENT. THAT IS THE THING THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO USE THE TITLE OF MAYOR FOR YOUR GOLF TOURNAMENT. IT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. NOT FOR THIS YEAR. YOU ALREADY HAVE ALL THAT. MY THING IS, YOU SHOULD MAKE PLANS OF HOW YOU BRING YOUR FOUNDATION. THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. IN THE FUTURE, YOU MAY NOT USE THAT NAME. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BUILD AN ANNUAL THAT CAN GO THE NEXT 40 YEARS? AT THAT POINT, YOU ARE STILL ON THE WHIMS OF WHAT THAT PERSON HE WAS ELECTED 20 YEARS FROM NOW WANTS TO DO WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH. MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE. THE LAST THING IS, BECAUSE YOU ARE USING IT RIGHT NOW, AS A COUNSEL, SHOULD HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS NOT A CITY SPONSORED EVENT. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CONCESSION.

>> HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY.

>> THERE WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING NOT SPONSORED BY

THE CITY OF HUTTO? >> DEBBIE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE MAYOR HOLLAND TO ME. YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE A COUNCILMEMBER. WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. LET'S SOLVE WASTEWATER ISSUES.

>> I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS ITEM.

>> YOUR CONCERN IS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN IN

THE FUTURE. >> WE SPENT TWO HOURS ON THE FARMERS MARKET. I'M JUST SAYING.

>> LET'S WORRY ABOUT THE ISSUES TODAY IMPACTING PEOPLE.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, LET'S BRING IT UP. IT IS AMAZING THE EFFORT PUT INTO, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS -- BUT WHAT I AM HEARING IS, YOU WANT TO RESTRICT ME FROM USING MAYOR WHEN I RUN FOR

OFFICE. YOU CANNOT DO THAT. >> I NEVER SAID THAT.

>> IT'S FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. LET ME SAY THIS. PASS A RESOLUTION. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP ME FROM DOING FROM WHAT

I'M ALLOWED TO DO. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP ME.

DESPERATE TO STOP YOU. >> IF THE INTENT IS NOT TO USE MAYOR, YOU CAN REPRIMAND ME AGAIN AS A COUNSEL FOR DOING SOMETHING I'M ALLOWED TO DO. I DON'T CARE. YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTROL THINGS AND YOU ARE -- TO ME, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE WRONG THINGS. THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ON THE STREET ARE WORRYING ABOUT OUR WATER. WASTEWATER. PUBLIC SAFETY. PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT I DID, COULD HAVE DONE, MAYBE WILL DO, MAYBE DID DO. ALL OF THIS FOCUS ON ME, WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON

THE REAL ISSUES OF PUBLIC. >> THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT ARE CONFUSED AS TO IF THIS IS A CITY EVENT OR NOT. I HAVE A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. I DO NOT WANT IT TO BE AN

AGENDA ITEM. I MADE A MOTION. >> I HAD QUESTIONS.

>> BEFORE YOU START, WAS A MOTION AGAIN?

>> TO DIRECT STAFF TO CREATE A RESOLUTION THAT DOES NOT ALLOW

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>> WHEN YOU SAY THAT, THAT IS THE EXCEPTION. IF I'M RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, I NEED TO USE MY TITLE. YOU'RE NOT SAYING

THAT IS NOT ALLOWED? >> EXACTLY.

>> DIRECT STAFF TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR WHAT?

>> THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY COUNCILMEMBER INCLUDING THE MAYOR TO USE THEIR TITLE IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS OR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING.

>> OKAY. MOTION SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER DANA WILCOTT.

>> YES. I RAISED THE CONCERN WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FIRST CAME OUT AND I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS THIS ALLOWED? I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF IT. THERE IS A MAYOR TOURNAMENT BUT IS NOT TIED TO THE CITY. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. I ASKED AND SHE SAID, I CANNOT SEE ANYTHING THAT FORBIDS IT. IT SEEMED LIKE THE ANSWER WAS GRAY. I DON'T THINK IT IS FORBIDDEN. IT IS WHAT IT IS AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. AFTER THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, OR NOW, I DID RESEARCH. ON WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. I CALLED OTHER MAYORS AND TALK TO THEM. I COULD NOT FIND ANY MAJOR GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT DID NOT HAVE CITY INVOLVEMENT. MAYBE YOU KNOW OF ONE BUT THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED. ALL OF THE OTHERS HAD SOME LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT. WHETHER IT WAS A SITTING COUNCILMEMBER, -- ONE CREATED A GOLF COMMISSION. LIKE EIGHT PNC COMMISSION. THEY HAVE SEVEN APPOINTED PEOPLE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY MANAGE AND RUN IT. THAT SAME CITY, ALL OF THE DONATIONS GO INTO THE BUDGET. IT IS A SPECIAL LINE ITEM DESIGNATED SO THE CITY CAN USE IT FOR, WE HAVE THE 1% WE CAN DESIGNATE TO NONPROFITS. AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? YOUR INITIAL VISION WAS, THIS WOULD LESSEN THE BURDEN OF THE TAXPAYERS AND IF IT GETS BIG ENOUGH, WE WOULD NOT YOU NEED TO USE THAT 1% FROM THE CITY BUDGET TO GO TO NONPROFITS. THAT WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THROUGH THIS AND THE FOUNDATION. AND WE COULD TAKE THAT -- IT WAS $1 MILLION WE CAN PUT TO WASTEWATER OR WHATEVER WE WANT. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA.

THE MAYOR ALSO TOLD ME, A COUPLE OF CITY MANAGERS AGO, THAT HE HAD BROUGHT THIS UP AND THEY BLEW HIM OFF AND SAID NO, THIS WILL NEVER WORK. TO HIS CREDIT, HE SAID, I WILL DO IT.

AND SO WE DID IT. FOR ME, I THINK THE FOUNDATION IS AWESOME. I THINK THE WAY THAT YOU ARE RAISING MONEY IS GREAT.

I DO SHARE THE CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CONFUSION. THERE IS CONFUSION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A CITY EVENT OR NOT. KIND OF THE DEFAULT ASSUMPTION IS, THE CITY IS TIED IN SOME WAY. THAT IS WHERE MY CONFUSION HAS COME IN. THE MAYOR HAS BEEN VERY ADAMANT IN THE PAST.

YOU HAVE BEEN ADAMANT TONIGHT, THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. SO THEN, IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY, THEN WHY USE A TITLE THAT IS TIED ONLY TO THE CITY? THAT IS WHERE MY CONFUSION COMES IN. HERE'S HOW I LOOK. I AM COUNCILMAN. THAT TITLE DOES NOT BELONG TO ME. I AM THE TEMPORARY CUSTODIAN. ONCE I'M OUT OF OFFICE, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MEMBER PLACED HERE AND THAT WILL BE THEIR TITLE AND THEY WILL BE THE STEWARD OF THAT. THE CITIZENS HAVE ENTRUSTED THAT. TWO ME, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO CALL IT THE MAYOR'S GOLF TOURNAMENT WE ARE JUST AS ADAMANT TO SAY THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

CITY? >> BECAUSE IT IS A TITLE RECOGNIZED BY PEOPLE. THIS IS NOT HIS GOLF TOURNAMENT. IT IS NOT LABELED THAT. IT IS JUST THE MAYOR MONTY TOURNAMENT. THE QUESTION IS, IF THIS RESOLUTION WERE TO PASS, THAT THERE CANNOT

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OF THE GOLF TOURNAMENT? >> THAT IS MORE IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO SUE. I CANNOT PREDICT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. CERTAINLY THEY CAN PASS WHATEVER RESOLUTIONS THEY WANT.

WHETHER SOMEONE DECIDES, THEY WILL DO SOMETHING INCONSISTENT WITH THAT RESOLUTION. AND WHATEVER CONSEQUENCES, I JUST

CANNOT PREDICT THAT. >> JUST A COMMENT FROM COUNCILMEMBER RANDAL CLARK -- ABOUT OVER THE NEXT MAYORS IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF IT, CAN WE NOT TALK ABOUT THAT AT THAT POINT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MAYOR THAT

IS OKAY WITH HAVING THAT TITLE? >> I WAS BRINGING IT UP, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT SHE SAID.

>> AS I AM JUST BRING IT UP. I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AMONGST OURSELVES. ARE WE COMFORTABLE IN PUTTING -- THIS IS NOT A CITY OF HUTTO SPONSORED OR ENDORSED EVENT.

>> THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. IT IS JUST A TITLE.

>> AND THE POLICE ASSOCIATION AS WELL? WHEN THEY HAD THEIR GOLF TOURNAMENTS? OR THE HUTTO EDUCATION FOUNDATION?

>> I THINK IT'S MORE OF A COUNSEL THING. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. I DON'T BOTHER WITH ALL THE QUESTIONS. I GUESS I'VE LEARNED WHAT IS A CITY QUESTION AND A STATE QUESTION. WHEN I FIRST DID THIS, AND HAD THE IDEA, I RESEARCHED TEXAS MAYOR WHATEVER. I SAW THE SKEET SHOOTING. I'M NOT GOOD AT THAT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD THING TO GET GOING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WERE TO DO IT. THERE IS A ROUND ROCK MAYOR BREAKFAST COMING UP. PEOPLE USE TITLES. I WOULD ALMOST CHALLENGE THIS COUNSEL, DO MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. START SOMETHING. DO A COUNCILMEMBER 5K RACE. IF THAT HELPS RAISE MONEY THAT YOU WANT TO HELP FOR ORGANIZATION, SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT DOING IT.

SPEND MORE TIME. I'M NOT HERE FOR TOWELS -- TITLES. I'M DOING SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITIES. YOU CAN PASS RESOLUTIONS.

BARRING THEM CHANGING IT, I DON'T CARE. REPRIMAND ME. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. THE STATE OF TEXAS SAYS I HAVE A RIGHT TO DO. THE ETHICS COMMISSION SAYS I HAVE A RIGHT.

I GOT THE IDEA FROM THE GOVERNOR. HE IS HOLDING A FUNDRAISER. CAN YOU DO THAT? LEGALLY, HE CAN. I TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT ON THE BOARD AND I'M NOT DOING IT ON CITY PROPERTY. THAT I DON'T INCLUDE CITY INVOLVEMENT FOR THIS EXACT THING TO COME UP. HAD I DREAMT THREE YEARS AGO THAT SOMEONE WOULD CRITICIZE THAT THE MAYOR OF HUTTO IS HELPING ORGANIZE AND ON RAISE FOR A CHARITY FOR A GOLF TOURNAMENT, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS THAT I THINK SOMETIME THAT THIS WOULD BE THE REASON WE ARE IN THE NEWS -- IS BECAUSE OF A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES THAT NO ONE WANTS TO DIG INTO. BUT THE CHARITIES INVOLVED, I HAVE MET THEM. WE WERE THERE AT THE SIGNING. THEY APPLIED AGAIN. THEY KNOW WHO IS INVOLVED. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED, I CAN

UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T KNOW. >> ON A SWEETER NOTE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I LOVE CREATING RELATIONSHIPS. FOR THE FUTURE MAYORS, I WILL MAKE SURE, AND I KNOW MY BOARD WILL DO THE SAME, TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAYOR. AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE RUNNING TO BE THE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I WOULD ASSUME THAT ANYONE TRYING TO BE IN THIS POSITION WOULD BE THRILLED TO STOP BY AND GIVE A SPEECH OR SAY HI. WHAT EVER FITS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING OUT THERE.

>> THE ONE THAT I RAISED, I DON'T THINK I HEARD THE ANSWER. IS IT THE INTENTION OF THE FOUNDATION TO EAT AWAY AT

WHAT THE CITY IS DOING? >> YES. WE HAVE VERY BIG GOALS.

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>> TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU LOOK IT UP, IT IS FOR THIS AND THIS, AND IT LITERALLY SAYS, TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS, THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH OUR BUDGET SYSTEM, IS WE EARMARKED 1% TO NONPROFITS. THE WHOLE POINT IS TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT BUT, IT IS DEPENDING ON THE GOVERNMENT. AND SO MY INTENT BEFORE WAS, WE NEED TO USE THE PARKS SYSTEM. I WAS ASKED BY AN EMPLOYEE, WOULD YOU BE PART OF THE 5K RACE? AND I SAID, YES. YOU KNOW WHITE DIED? I SAID, I'M NOT BEING INVOLVED IN ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY TO GET MONEY. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP PEOPLE RAISE MONEY IN THE 5K. I WILL USE THE MAYOR NAME BEFORE AND AFTER IF IT RAISES MONEY FOR THE NONPROFIT. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT FUTURE MAYORS WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A GREAT THING.

HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MAYOR WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

THE WHOLE POINT IS, TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT AT A TIME NOW WHERE I HAVE TO WORK -- I'M EXTREMELY SCARED. WITH THE FINANCIAL HORIZON. IF YOU NEED MORE TIME,

] THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE REACH OUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

>> OBVIOUSLY DID NOT HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK EACH OF US OR US AS A COUNSEL, WE NEED TO ASSESS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS. IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF US. IT WILL NOT BE ACROSS THE BOARD. NOT THE SAME AMONGST EACH OF US. BUT, THE REGULATION AND INVOLVEMENT OF GOVERNMENT IN PRIVATE BUSINESSES SUCH AS THE FARMERS MARKET, AND A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TAKE OR PRIVATE ORGANIZATION SUCH AS THIS ONE, WE NEED TO ASSESS HOW WE WANT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT TO IMPACT THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND BUSINESSES.

MOST OF THE TIME, PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM TO BE INVOLVED IN THEIR ACTIONS AND EVENTS OR BUSINESS. I THINK WE EACH NEED TO TAKE TIME TO PONDER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR VALUES ARE ON HOW THIS CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO PROJECT ITSELF ONTO ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESSES, WHAT HAVE YOU, IN THE FUTURE. MYSELF, I DON'T WANT TO BE BURDENSOME ON BUSINESSES. I DON'T WANT TO BE A BURDEN AND CREATE RULES OR REGULATIONS ON ORGANIZATIONS AND TELL THEM WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG AND WHAT WORKS AND DOESN'T. I AM NOT PARTICIPATING IN THAT. THAT IS A PRIVATE ACTIVITY. A PRIVATE EVENT, WHAT HAVE YOU. THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD ISSUES WITH, I CONTACTED LEGAL. WAS IF THERE WERE ETHICS CONCERNS. ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. I ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWER WHEN I SENT THE EMAIL. I KNEW THERE WERE NOT ETHICS CONCERNS. WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES AND PROBLEMS, THE ACTION HAS TO BE TERRIBLE. VERY HEINOUS. SOMETHING YOU ARE REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF FOR IT TO BE A TRUE ETHICS ISSUE TO BE TAKEN TO THE COMMISSION OF TEXAS. OR EVEN TO THE HUTTO ETHICS COMMISSION AS WELL. I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER. AND OF COURSE, LEGAL PROVIDED INSIGHT THAT IT DOES NOT BREAK ANY ETHICS CONCERNS OR LAWS. WE CAN KNOW THE BASICS. I THINK WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED THAN WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. WE NEED TO KEEP IT SUPER SIMPLE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH THE GOLF TOURNAMENT. JUST IN GENERAL. ISSUES SUCH AS THIS, THE FARMERS MARKET, OR ANY OTHER PRIVATE THINGS. WE EACH NEED TO

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SERVE. >> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. RIGHT ON POINT. PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL THEM WHAT EVENTS TO HOLD OR WHO TO CHOOSE TO ASSOCIATE WITH, WHETHER WE LIKE THEM OR DON'T.

THEY MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES. IT IS NOT OUR ROLE TO TELL PEOPLE, YOU CANNOT DO THIS. THAT IS NOT OUR JOB. AS FAR AS EVENTS, I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE PRAYER BREAKFAST IN ROUND ROCK.

THE ONE LAST YEAR WAS THE 15TH ANNUAL. I ASSUME IT WILL GO TO 16 THIS YEAR. THAT HAS CARRIED ON. MORGAN HAS NOT BEEN NEAR 15 SO THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE MAYORS WITH AN EVENT NAMED THE BREAKFAST FOR THE MAYOR AND I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK IS FUNDING A PRAYER BREAKFAST.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A PRIVATE EVENT. IN THE WORLD OF GOLF, ONE OF THE LARGEST INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENTS IS CALLED THE PRESIDENT MY TEACUP AND THEY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH ANY GOVERNMENT OR SEEDED PRESIDENT IN ANY COUNTRY. IT IS JUST A WORD. IT IS GIVEN A TITLE AND PEOPLE MAY THINK IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH PRESIDENT. AND I THINK THAT FORMER OR SITTING PRESIDENT TO SHOW UP. AND THEY WATCH AND ENJOY. BUT IT IS A PRIVATE EVENT. THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT. THAT ONE IS FOR PROFIT. IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK IT DOES, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS SOMETHING THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND REGULATES. PEOPLE THINK ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SOME TRUE, SOME NOT TRUE. IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO THINK. I THINK WE ARE REALLY OVERSTEPPING HERE. WE ARE GOING INTO TELLING PEOPLE WHAT KIND OF SPEECH THEY CAN USE IT AS A

HUGE OVERSTEP. >> ANY OF THE TEST DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT.

>> MOTION FAILS. 2-5. BEFORE WE GET GOING TO THE NEXT, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. I HAVE TALKED TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM PETER GORDON. WE HAVE ITEMS TO MOVE. WE WILL

MOVIES TO ANOTHER MEETING. >> WHICH ONES?

>> 13-3. 30-4. >> HEARING NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL MOVE THOSE TO A FUTURE MEETING. THAT BRINGS US TO 8-2.

BREAK? >> SURE.

>> I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL. OTHER CHAIR THAT HAS BEEN

PATIENTLY WAITING. >> I AM ASKING FOR FIVE

[8.2. Charter Review Commission Presentation on Final Report of Recommendations for Charter Amendments (Onnesha Williams, Chair)]

OF FOR WAITING. >> THANK YOU. I WAS MORE ENERGETIC TWO HOURS AGO. THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING. THERE WAS A LOT MORE ENERGY HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW. AS THE CHAIR, I WANT TO THANK MY COMMISSIONERS AND CO-COMMISSIONERS. THE ADDRESS BOOK -- INDISCERNIBLE ] WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL AND GOOD

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DON'T KNOW. >> WE WERE GIVEN THE SLIDES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL THEN ASK THE QUESTIONS AT THE END, WHATEVER. WE HAVE THE SECTIONS THAT WE REVIEWED AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR. THIS INCLUDES THE RECOMMENDATION BY COUNSEL PLUS BY THE CHARTER. IF THEY WERE NOT THERE IN THE SECTIONS, IT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE KEPT AS IS. FIRST, WE ARE AT 3.01. WE AS A COMMISSION, THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HUTTO. THE GROWTH. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE GO TO COUNSEL. THIS IS FOR THE COUNCIL POSITIONS. THAT WOULD BE DISTRICTS AND THEN THE MAYOR POSITION. WE HAVE DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND THEN FIVE AND SIX AT LARGE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN FOR THE MAYOR. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION TO ALSO NOT HAVE IT BE STACKED. TO WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE FOUR LIVING IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTING A SMALL SECTION. WE WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL CITIZENS TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE REPRESENTED. THAT IT WOULD HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE COUNCIL PEOPLE TO HAVE A MORE VARIED AND DIVERSE OUTLOOK ON THE MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL BASED ON THE AUGER FOR -- GEOGRAPHY OF HUTTO AND THAT WOULD CAUSE A LOT MORE REPRESENTATION. PLUS, IT ALSO FOSTERS THE INTERESTS OF OTHER CITIZENS GETTING INVOLVED.

BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT IN THEIR AREA, AND THEY CAN SEE AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE COUNCILPERSON AND THE ISSUES THAT IMPACT THEM. IT IS NOT JUST THE CITY AT LARGE. SO, THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN 2025 WITH THE ELECTION FOR THE MAYOR. IT WOULD BECOME DISTRICT 3. THEN IN 2026, THE HUMAN VISIBLE PLACE WOULD BECOME DISTRICT 1. AND THEN THE 2027 ELECTION, PLACED TWO WOULD BE

AS WE GO? OKAY. >> DO YOU WANT TO?

>> WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. I WONDERING WHAT WE ARE DOING? WE'RE JUST LISTENING. WE WILL TALK LATER.

>> WE WILL LISTEN TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK LAST TIME WE BROUGHT UP MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. I THINK WE JUST LET THE

PRESENTATION GO. >> CAN WE MOVE THE OTHER ITEM?

>> I HAVE READ THREE TIMES SINCE I GOT IT THIS AFTERNOON

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SOME THINGS COULD BE REWRITTEN. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING. GET THE INPUT NOW.

>> BUT HE GOES TO DOTTIE. >> HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS. WE HAVE AN ITEM. WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. CONCERNS OR IDEAS.

WHEN WE GET THAT DONE WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT.

>> BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IF WE ARE GOING TO HOLD OUR DISCUSSION UNTIL WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM, IF I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ANY GETS PAST, THAT WE FORGO THE OPPORTUNITY TO

HAVE THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. >> I SUGGEST WE DO IT NOW. ARE

YOU OKAY WITH THAT? >> OKAY. 3.01, QUESTIONS.

DISCUSSION? >> MY FIRST QUESTION IS, THE HIGHEST TURNOUT WE HAVE HAD WAS 1600 PEOPLE CITYWIDE. WHEN YOU GO TO FOUR DISTRICTS, YOU WILL DIVIDE TO ONLY GETTING MAYBE 300 PEOPLE VOTING WHICH MEANS 150 DETERMINE THE BOAT OF THE CITY. I AGREE REGIONAL DISTRICTS MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU'RE AT 100,000 POPULATION, NOT WHEN YOU WRITE 40,000. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT IN THIS FORMAT. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WITH THE CITY OF OUR SIZE. I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER CITY AT THIS SIZE THAT DOES DISTRICTS LIKE THIS. I DON'T THINK ROUND ROCK DOES REGIONAL. IT ALSO MAKES SENSE, I WOULD AGREE IF THERE HAD BEEN SOME HISTORICAL, LONG-TERM BENEFITS. THIS TOWN IS GROWING SO FAST. EVERYTHING WAS FARMLAND, AND NOW IT IS A CITY. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE GROWTH WILL BE. I ALSO READ THROUGH THE CODE. YOU ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE BOUNDARIES. THAT ALLOWS GERRYMANDERING OF DISTRICTS. IT AS A WHOLE HOST OF PROBLEMS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO. I WOULD PROPOSE, LET'S HAVE SEVEN AT LARGE MEMBERS. AND THEN THE COUNCIL ITSELF ELECTS THE MAYOR AND THE PRO TEM.

>> THAT WAS DISCUSSED. >> THAT IS I THINK WHAT WE

SHOULD GO TO. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIES THAT DO THIS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE VOTER TURNOUT. SOME OF THIS WAS TO ASSIST TURNOUT. IF I KNOW MY COUNCILPERSON COMES FROM WHERE I AM, I AM MORE INVOLVED. AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TURNED AND ARE TRANSITIONING FROM A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDERED FOR THE COMMISSION, IS HOW TO DRAW IN THE COMMUNITY, THE NEW MEMBERS THAT SOMETIMES ARE VERY DISTANCE FROM THE POLITICAL PROCESS. AND IF THREE OR FOUR LIVE ON THIS SIDE, THERE IS POSSIBLY A LACK OF REPRESENTATION ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT ALSO ENCOURAGES COUNSEL TO BE MORE DIPLOMATIC WITH EACH OTHER. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY COME AND REPRESENT YOUR LOCALE. YOU HAVE TO COME AND TAKE THOSE ISSUES I DO HAVE TO PUT THOSE ISSUES ON THE TABLE AND IT ALLOWS EVERY CITIZEN TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE REPRESENTED. THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE BOATS THAT WE TOOK THAT PAST THIS.

>> THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WAS, DID YOU LOOK AT -- IT IS DOCUMENTED WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE CORPORATIONS COME IN AND THEY'VE GONE TO REGIONAL AREAS LIKE THIS. THE CORPORATIONS IN BED PEOPLE AND TAKE OVER. IT HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT PEOPLE KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SAMSUNG AND OTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS COMMISSION WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS BACK WOULD ALLOW A CORPORATION TO

TAKE OVER OUR TOWN. >> I HAVE BEEN VERY COGNIZANT.

WE ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE DECISIONS OF WHAT GOES ON THE

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>> I HEAR THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT GERRYMANDERING AND POSSIBLE CORRUPTION. OR POSSIBLE CORPORATE INFLUENCE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS IMMUNE FOR ANY SET UP WE HAVE HERE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE THE DETERMINATION OF THE COUNCIL. THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE LINES AND DRAW LINES THAT WE WOULD HAVE HIGH MORAL ETHICS IN OUR COUNSEL. AND THAT WE WOULD APPLY THOSE ETHICS TO HOW WE ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING OUR ELECTIONS. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS. FOR THE FUTURE OUTLOOK OF HUTTO AND HOW BIG IT IS AND HOW LOW THE TURNOUT IS, HUTTO IS NOT REPRESENTING THE MAJORITY OF THEIR CITIZENS.

THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DEDUCE FROM 500 PEOPLE VOTING.

PEOPLE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEM INVOLVED IN STAND WHERE YOU ARE.

FROM TIME TO TIME REDISTRICTING BASED ON POPULATION AND LATEST CENSUS DATA. THE WAY STATE LAW WORKS, THE OFFICIAL POPULATION IS EVERY 10 YEARS. I KNOW CENSUS DEPARTMENT BRINGS UPDATE IN BETWEEN. BUT THOSE ARE ESTIMATES AND NOT OFFICIAL. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED ACTUAL POPULATION. IF WE DO THAT NOW WE WOULD HAVE TO USE THE 2020 DATA AND WE COULD NOT CHANGE IT UNTIL 2030. THE CITY WILL LOOK A LOT DIFFERENT BY THEM. I DON'T LIKE THAT IT SAYS FROM TIME TO TIME BECAUSE A COUNSEL TO DECIDE NOT TO REDISTRICT OR THEY COULD REDISTRICT EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE MESSING WITH IT. EVERY 10 YEARS IS TOO LONG BECAUSE OF HOW FAST IT IS GROWING. THAT IS A MAIN CONCERN. THE OTHER WAS, NOTHING IN HERE ADDRESSES TERM LIMITS AND ELECTION REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE THE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER -- AND SPECIFICALLY, THAT ADDRESSES ELIGIBILITY, YOU CAN ONLY RUN FOR THE NUMBERED OFFICE THAT YOU CURRENTLY HOLD UNLESS YOU RUN FOR MAYOR. FOR EXAMPLE, NEXT YEAR, IF YOU ARE NO LONGER IN DISTRICT 3 BECAUSE IT IS DEFINED AS SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CANNOT RUN FOR DISTRICT 6 BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME NUMBER. AND THERE IS NO CHARTER AMENDMENT TO SAY THAT SOMEONE CAN DO THAT. THE OTHER THING I DID NOT LIKE HIS, THE BALANCE OF WHEN THE ELECTIONS ARE. IT WAS BASED ON THE CURRENT NUMBERS. AND WHEN THE SEATS ARE UP. THERE TWO CITYWIDE ONE YEAR, AND THEN THERE IS NONE.

AND THE LOCAL SEATS ARE MIXED IN BASED ON WHERE THEY FALL IN THE PROCESS. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE ONE WAY TO SAY YOU WILL HAVE ONE ELECTION THAT IS ALL THREE CITYWIDE SEATS AND THE OTHER TWO YEARS, YOU DO TWO OF OTHER DISTRICTS. OR YOU HAVE ONE CITYWIDE ELECTION IN EACH OF THE THREE YEARS, SO EVERY YEAR, EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO ELECT CITYWIDE, AND THEN YOU DIVVY UP THE DISTRICT ACCORDINGLY OUTSIDE OF THAT.

THOSE THINGS WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. THE POPULATION THING AND THE GROWTH THING, IT MAKES ME WANT TO NOT INCLUDE THIS BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, MAKES ME THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF EDITS TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK AND BE WORKABLE GOING FORWARD. THERE ARE A LOT OF HOLES TO FILL.

INDISCERNIBLE ] I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE PREPARATION. THE LOCAL CODE SAYS WITH THE POPULATION IS.

GOING AGAINST THAT AND USING ESTIMATE IS TO ME, ASKING FOR

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THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ADDRESSED ANY OF THE ASPECTS OF ELIGIBILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH THE SEAT NUMBERS. IS THAT A DISCUSSION?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA AS FAR AS WHEN WE WERE RECOMMENDING THEY CYCLE IN AND OUT.

>> NO, I SEE THAT. BUT, AS FAR AS ELIGIBILITY FOR RUNNING FOR THE SEATS. THE DEFINITION OF THE SEATS ARE ALL CHANGING. IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE NEW DISTRICT, YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE

TO RUN. >> FOR THE PURPOSE THAT, IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE DISTRICT BY THE TIME YOUR SEAT IS UP, AND THERE IS NOT AN AT-LARGE POSITION, THEN YES, YOU WOULD

BE INELIGIBLE TO RUN. >> AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME PERSONALLY? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T KICK IN THIS YEAR. I WILL BE ELIGIBLE ANYWAY. IF I WERE TO RUN THIS YEAR AND WIN, I WOULD

BE LIMITED OUT ANYWAY. >> YOUR SUGGESTING THAT IF WE WORKED ON THE COUNCIL, WE COULD REDISTRICT YOU OUT AND THEN YOU

WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RUN? >> IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ME. BUT YES. WE COULD DO RANDALL. WE CAN PUT HIM OUT OF THE DISTRICT AND THEN HE WOULD BE GONE NEXT YEAR.

>> AFFECT IF IT WOULD HAPPEN. HE'S THE ONLY ONE. IT HAPPENS.

IT IS A CITYWIDE SEAT. EVEN THEN, BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS YOU CAN ONLY RUN FOR THE PLACE YOU ARE IN, AND HE IS IN PLACE THREE, HE CANNOT RUN FOR PLACE SIX EVEN THOUGH IT IS A

DIFFERENT SYSTEM. >> ALL OF THESE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, YOU WOULD

HAVE TO CORRECT ALL OF THAT. >> THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE SECTIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED TO ADDRESS HOW YOU WANT

THAT TO WORK. >> WE KNEW THE COUNCIL THAT LOOKS AT THE WHOLE CITY. IF THERE JUST GO TO ONE DISTRICT, THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO THE OTHER THREE. IF I CAMPAIGN, I WENT TO EVERY DISTRICT AND KNOCKED ON DOORS AND TALKED TO PEOPLE. INSTEAD, I WOULD ONLY TALK IN ONE AREA AND I WOULD ONLY VOTE FOR THOSE. I WOULD NOT CARE WHAT HAPPENS. WHY WOULD I FOCUS ON THE WHOLE CITY IF I'M ONLY IN THIS AREA? THAT IS ANOTHER DISADVANTAGE OF MAKING THAT AT THIS TIME. WE

ARE NOT BUILT OUT. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT WAS THE BOAT? WAS IT 7-0?

>> I DON'T HAVE THE VOTES. I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES IN

FRONT OF ME. >> IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS, TURNOUTS. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES PEOPLE TURN OUT. IT MAY IN A DISTRICT. AND THEN I WILL CAUTION. I KNOW THE CITY WHERE THE COUNCIL MEN WIN 80 SOMETHING PERCENT AT ELECTION TIME. SHE IS KIND OF A LORD ON A CERTAIN SET OF ISSUES. AND SO, THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS PERSON. IF YOU HAVE A DISTRICT, AND THAT DISTRICT IS VERY MUCH FOR ONE THING, AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT SAY, THEY DON'T WANT THE MEGA SITE BUILT, THEY ARE ADAMANT. YOU RUN INTO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHERE INSTEAD OF SOLVING A CITYWIDE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS FOCUSED JUST ON EIGHT NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHATEVER. WHERE WE SHOULD BE

WORRIED ABOUT OTHERS. >> WE HAVE THAT NOW TO SOME DEGREE. WE HAVE 500 PEOPLE THAT TURN OUT SOMETIMES AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON ONE ISSUE. AND THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE RUN ON THOSE ISSUES. WE HAVE PROS AND CONS IN ANY ISSUE. WE WAY THAT AND CONSIDER HUTTO. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION.

>> SURE. >> WHAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT IS THE PRESENTATION UP WITH THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH. NOT EVERYTHING WAS UNANIMOUS. WHAT YOUR JOB IS AFTER THE

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RATHER THAN TALKING FOR AN HOUR ABOUT THIS AND THAT, AND YOU'RE HERE TO:00 A.M., LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATION, DISCUSS AND SAY, I DON'T LIKE THIS, TAKE A BOAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> I AGREE. HERE IS A

PRESENTATION. >> LET'S GO.

>> OKAY. WHAT DID I DO? >> THERE WE GO. COMPENSATION.

THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY COUNSEL. TO CHANGE THE COMPENSATION SALARY. AND THAT WAS TO HAVE THAT BE ALIGNED WITH THE PROVISIONS WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS. AND THEN THE SALARY FOR TWO MEETINGS, WE TOOK OUT REGULAR MEETINGS, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS MAKE AS MANY AS YOU NEED TO. SO WE PUT TWO INSTEAD OF REGULAR. AND ANYONE

LEFT. >> I WILL JUST SEND MY NOTES.

>> NO QUESTIONS. >> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE THE MAYOR PRO TEM SHALL BE A COUNCIL MEMBER ELECTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING AT WHICH A NEWLY ELECTED CITY COUNCIL WILL BE SEATED. THAT IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS A ONE OFF ELECTION, THAT THE WINNER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT ELECTION PROCESS.

FORFEITURE OF OFFICE. WE WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. WE THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF VAGUE LANGUAGE AS FAR AS FORFEITURE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS LINKED TO THE TEXAS PENAL CODE. WE ADDED CHAPTER 36 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE. AND WE LINKED THE VIOLATIONS OF ANY PROHIBITIONS LISTED IN CHAPTER SECTION 1309, TO THIS AS WELL. WE ALSO ADDED THAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE FOR FORFEITURE. THE PROHIBITIONS WOULD BE IN 13 09B OF THE CHARTER. I'M GOING BACK.

SORRY. I HAVE OCULAR MIGRAINES AND LIGHT SENSITIVITY. I CANNOT

ACTUALLY SEE APPEAR. >> THERE YOU GO. YOU'RE GOING

THE RIGHT WAY. >> JUST DEMO LIGHTS OUT.

>> IS OKAY. I CAN POWER THROUGH. I HAVE BEEN IN HERE

FOR A WHILE. I CANNOT SEE. >> DO YOU SEE THESE LINES?

>> THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. YES.

>> TEAMWORK. >> WILL THE CAMERA STILL PICK

UP FOR THE AUDIENCE? >> YES. OKAY. FOR SECTION 3 .10, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE QUORUM BE FOUR INSTEAD OF FIVE. WE CONSIDER 58 SUPER QUORUM. FOR SERIOUS DECISIONS. FOUR IS RECOMMENDED, SO WE CAN ASSIST WITH CONDUCTING BUSINESS. WE HAVE THIS IN OTHER PLACES. WE DISCUSSED THE QUORUM GOING FROM 5-4. AS FAR AS A BOATING, SO

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>> I THINK THERE IS A LANGUAGE CLEANUP THERE. BECAUSE, THE SENTENCE SAYS EVERYBODY PRESENT HAS TO BOAT RIGHT AFTER IT SAYS, UNLESS THERE IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT DOESN'T SAY, EXCEPT FOR THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THAT SENTENCE. TECHNICALLY, IF YOU READ THAT, NO VOTES ARE DONE IF

SOMEONE IS OUT. >> OKAY. WHAT WAS IT? I JUST

WANTED TO MARKET. >> CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IF YOU SIGN THE FORM DO NOT TAKE THE BOAT FOR THE NEXT WHEN YOU ARE SAYING EVERYONE HAS TO BOAT, THEY HAVE JUST SIGNED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SAYING THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE A BOAT

AND YOU ARE SAYING, THEY MUST. >> WHATEVER.

>> WE USED THE WORD HAS VOTED, AND IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, YOU REALLY DON'T BOAT. I DON'T KNOW. I WILL ADD

THAT. >> OKAY. WE SET THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNSEL. ORDINANCES SHALL REQUIRE ONE READING. AND THE PROCEDURES FOR ADOPTIONS AND PUBLICATIONS, EMERGENCY ORDINANCES SHALL BE ENACTED AS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY COUNSEL. WE ACCEPTED THAT.

>> WE HAD A LIVELY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I DID MORE RESEARCH. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE END OF THIS. IT IS

TOUGH. I CAN HARDLY SEE THIS. >> I AM SORRY. I CANNOT SEE

EITHER. >> IT ENDS WITH, AND ORDINANCES SHALL BE ENACTED BY LAW. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AND PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL -- IT WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER WHEN REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. THERE ARE 86 STATE LAWS THAT REQUIRE PUBLICATION. AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT IS, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. BUT, IF IT IS REQUIRED, WE WILL PUBLISH THE CAPTION TO MAKE IT CLEAR. THAT IS SOMETHING I

WOULD RECOMMEND TO ADD ON. >> OKAY. MOVING ON. WE INCLUDED IN THE FILING FOR OFFICE, THAT YOU COULD HAVE A PETITION SIGNED FOR 25 QUALIFIED VOTERS. TWO WAIVE THE

$50 FEE. >> ISN'T THAT ALREADY IN

THERE? WHAT IS THE CHANGE? >> WE REDUCED THE NUMBER.

>> OKAY. >> LET ME SEE.

>> THIS GOES BACK FURTHER. IF YOU KEEP THE REGIONAL, THIS GOES TO YOUR POINT, YOU WOULD NEED TO SAY, QUALIFIED VOTERS WITHIN YOUR REGIONAL DISTRICT, NOT JUST AT LARGE. YOU HAVE 25 MORE PEOPLE FROM A DIFFERENT DISTRICT. IF YOU DO, IT ADDS ALL OF THESE OTHER CHANGES TO BE MADE.

>> STRIKE NUMBER THREE. WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT?

>> I ONLY HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE DID. I DO NOT HAVE WHAT WAS BEFORE. OKAY. YES. THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY COUNSEL. IT IS NOT PERMITTED BY LAW TO MAKE PEOPLE QUIT

THEIR JOBS TO RUN FOR COUNSEL. >> WOULD BE IF THEY ARE

ELECTED? >> THEN THEY WOULD.

>> IT IS BASED ON ELECTION, NOT FILING.

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>> YES. >> THE WAY I READ THAT IS, AFTER FILING, YOU COULD RUN BUT ONCE YOU ARE ELECTED,

INDISCERNIBLE ] >> THIS SAYS, AFTER FILING. IT WAS PUT IN THERE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.

>> NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE STATE LAW. IT PROHIBITS THAT

CHARTER. >> OKAY. I AM AT 6.02. THE PETITIONER FOR RECALL. WE DISCUSSED THE 20% NUMBER OF QUALIFIED VOTERS, AND THOUGHT THAT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WE HAD SUCH LOW VOTER TURNOUT, THE SIZE OF OUR CITY, THAT 20% WAS TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT 10% WAS BRINGING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN BALANCE. AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING 10%. FOR PETITION RECALL. AND, WE ADDED, THE QUALIFIED BOATER IS CURRENTLY CERTIFIED BY THE COUNTY ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AT THE LAST MUNICIPAL ELECTION. THIS COMES, AS THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION TO THE POINT THAT DOTTIE HAD TO RELEASE A MEMO ABOUT THE RECALL PROCESS, OUR GOAL IS SURE TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS AND TO ALSO MAKE IT MORE REASONABLE FOR OUR VOTER TURNOUT IN CITY SIZE.

>> DO WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE WORK CURRENTLY? IT SEEMS

CONTRADICTORY. >> 10% OF THE QUALIFIED VOTERS

AS, STRIKE CURRENTLY? >> YES.

>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU ARE ON THAT ADMINISTRATOR ROLE AS A REGISTERED VOTER. WHEN YOU SIGN THE PETITION, YOU COULD HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY AND THEN WENT OVER THERE AND GOT ON THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATORS ROLE. YOU REALLY ARE NOT QUALIFIED. REGISTERED IS ON THE ROLE AND QUALIFIED MEANS, YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO VOTE AT THE TIME. YOU DID THE PETITION. THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BY THE PUBLIC. THERE ARE REASONS WHY YOU CAN STRIKE A NAME. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE ROLE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE QUALIFIED.

>> BACK TO THE DISTRICT ANYTHING. IF THAT WAS TO GO IN, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF MODIFICATION HERE. IF I AM IN PLACE FOUR, AND I AM IN DISTRICT 4, YOU WOULD NEED TO -- YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD WANT THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO REMOVE ME WOULD NEED TO COME FOR MY DISTRICT. IT JUST

MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED. >> IS ALSO OUTLOOK FOR THE CITY OF HUTTO AS WELL. YOUR DECISION. BUT EVENTUALLY, THIS MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS REALISTIC. IF IT IS NOT NOW, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CONSIDERING AS WE ARE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS.

>> IF I AM ELECTED, AND I DON'T THINK SO -- IF I AM ELECTED BY DISTRICT, AND ONLY THE PEOPLE IN THAT DISTRICT ELECT ME, THEN YOU COULD GO OUTSIDE TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE TO REMOVE ME FROM OFFICE? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE REGISTERED VOTERS, QUALIFIED IN

THE DISTRICT. >> THEY ARE MAD AT ME BECAUSE I'M GETTING STUFF DONE FOR DISTRICT 4. I WILL SIGN A PETITION TO REMOVE ME? I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY.

>> YOU WOULD NOT NEED THAT MANY EITHER.

>>

>> RECALL PROCEDURE. WE ADDED THE CERTIFIED AFFIDAVIT. THESE

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THE CITIZENS. >>

>> OKAY. WE CLARIFIED THE QUALIFIED BOATER. WE DID DISCUSS THE AMOUNT OF DAYS. WE CHANGED THE AMOUNT TO 75 DAYS.

TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE SIGNATURES. THAT WAS A COMPROMISE. SOME PEOPLE WERE 90. SO WE DECIDED ON 75 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FILING OF PETITIONS. THAT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SIGNATURES IN. AND THEN, WE GAVE TIME FOR THE CITY SECRETARY TO VERIFY THE PETITION. THOSE SIGNATURES HAVE TO BE VERIFIED WITHIN 10 THIS IS DAYS. THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT LISTED IN THE PROCEDURE. WE TRIED OUR BEST TO INC. OF THE READ AND THE INFORMATION TO SEE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY CALLED OUT IN THE RECALL. UNDERSTANDING THIS IS THE CHARTER AND UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE ALREADY MADE A CLARIFICATION, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. AND THEN AGAIN, WE ADDED THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. AND THEN, PETITIONS. WE ADDED 10% AND MADE THAT MATCH. WE FIGURED PETITIONS ACROSS WOULD BE 10% OF THE NUMBER OF TOTAL QUALIFIED VOTERS. AND SIMILAR INFORMATION AS FAR AS ADDING THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE SIGNATURE, NEEDS TO BE THERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T. 08.

FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION. I BELIEVE THIS WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNCIL. WE ACCEPTED THIS EXCEPT FOR THE TRANSFER AS FAR AS THE CITY MANAGER. MAY TRANSFER PART OR ALL OF ANY APPROPRIATION BALANCES AND PROGRAMS AND THE ORGANIZATIONAL UNIT EXCEPT FOR TRANSFER FUNDS WITH SEPARATION PAY.

INDISCERNIBLE ] WE ACCEPTED.

AND, WE ACCEPTED THE RECOMMENDATION TO DELETE THE REQUIREMENT FOR SIGNATURES FOR CHECKS AND IN EXCESS OF $5000.

WE HAD NO ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PURCHASE PROCEDURE. AND AS FAR AS BONDS, WE ADDED THAT THEY SHALL BE ISSUED WITHIN FIVE YEARS. OF VOTER APPROVAL FOR THE BOND. AND SO WE ADDED A SECTION. THAT WAS ALL BALLOT

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THAT PROJECT. >> I GET THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY VOTE, THAT SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS. BUT FORCING ISSUANCE IN FIVE YEARS, IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN CHANGE? WE PROBABLY HAVE $50 MILLION OF BONDS THAT WERE APPROVED IN 2018. AND IF WE APPROVED ALL OF THOSE, TAX RATE WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THEY ARE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CREDIT RATING WOULD BE. THAT IS A LOT OF DEBT TO TAKE ON QUICKLY. PEOPLE CAN VOTE FOR A LOT OF BONDS. AND FORCING ISSUANCE IS A RECIPE FOR FINANCIAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITY I POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SELL IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH DEBT ALREADY. I GET THE CONCEPT. BUT TO BE LOCKED IN --

>> AS COUNSEL, YOU WOULD NOT PUT OUT $100 MILLION FOR THE PROJECTS. YOU WOULD JUST HAVE MORE REGULAR ELECTIONS.

>> AND OUTGOING COUNSEL COULD PUT IT OUT.

>> BUT YOU WOULDN'T GO TO A BOND ELECTION UNLESS YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD A ROAD IN TWO YEARS. RIGHT NOW, WE APPROVED STUFF FROM 2017. SOME WE ARE NOT EVEN USING.

>> BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AS A COUNSEL, LET'S SAY THIS COUNSEL WENT OUT FOR BOND ELECTION IN NOVEMBER ALL OF THE ROADS WE THINK WE WILL NEED FOR GROWTH. AND THE VOTERS GAVE US $16 MILLION IN BONDS. TWO YEARS GO BY AND THE COUNCIL IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. AND WE HAD A STAGNATION GROWTH AND WE DON'T NEED THAT ROAD AS MUCH BECAUSE MAYBE, THEY PULLED OUT AND WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD THOSE. BUT NOW, FIVE YEARS HIT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE $60 MILLION AND THAT COUNSEL HAS NO SAY BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS THEY HAVE TO. ONCE AGAIN, IT IS HANDICAPPING FUTURE BODIES FOR WHAT YOU DO TODAY. THAT BODY WAS ELECTED BY THOSE PEOPLE TO REPRESENT THEM AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME AND WE SHOULD TRUST THAT THEY WILL MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE THEY WERE REPRESENTED.

>> IS THERE WAY TO TAKE OUT -- MAKE IT TO WHERE IF YOU DON'T DO IT IN FIVE YEARS, IF YOU HAD FIVE TO DO $50 MILLION, AND YOU ONLY DID 10 MILLION AT THE END OF FIVE YEARS, $40 MILLION

NOW CANNOT BE DONE? >> I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. WE ARE LOOKING AT A FIVE YEAR HORIZON FOR BOND ISSUANCE FOR WASTEWATER RIGHT NOW. WE SPECIFICALLY DON'T WANT TO ISSUE THAT DEBT. WE ARE TRYING TO PUSH IT OUT. WE KNOW IT WILL HAVE TO GET DONE. WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE $108 MILLION. WE ARE TRYING TO BLEND IT FURTHER THAN A FIVE YEAR HORIZON. BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO GET A CONTRACT.

WHICH YOU CAN EXTEND WHEN IT HAPPENS. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND OF HOW WE DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THE FIVE YEARS -- I KNOW THIS IS A REACTION. BECAUSE CERTAIN BONDS -- THEY ARE TRYING TO FORCE THAT. AND MAYBE YOU TIE IT TO PARK BONDS AND THEY EXPIRED OR SOMETHING. IT IS NOT RELATED TO ROADS AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

>> I WONDER WHY YOU CAN'T? MAYBE IN THE ELECTION? VOTERS AUTHORIZE THIS BOND ONLY IF ISSUED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THEN IT EXPIRES. I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT WHERE THEY KNOW EXACTLY THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN FIVE YEARS? AND IF YOU DON'T THAN THE AUTHORIZATIONS GONE?

>>

INDISCERNIBLE ] >> THE COMMISSION HAS A SCHEDULED MEETING NEXT TUESDAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY

FEEDBACK OR INPUT? >> WE CAN BE HERE AT THREE IN THE MORNING. WE CAN GO OUT APPEARED

>> I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE. I LOVE ALL THIS, BUT, I'M

SLEEPY. >> DID YOU SAY YOU'RE STILL MEETING? I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE FINAL REPORT?

>> WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

>> I SEE. BUT THERE ARE NO PLANS ON MAKING MORE CHANGES OR

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RECOMMENDATIONS? >> UNLESS COUNSEL DIRECTS THEM TO LOOK AT SOMETHING. AND BRING IT BACK.

>> I'M PRETTY SURE MR. CLARK WILL BE LIKE, BOND THING ABOUT THEM HAVING TO HAVE A NUMBER. AND A DESCRIPTION. WE HAVE HAD THE SITUATION WHERE, WE HAD THAT IN THERE AND WE HAD ISSUES WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THEN THERE IS THE LUBBOCK CASE WHERE THEY ISSUED A BOND AND THEY WERE TOO SPECIFIC AND THE GROWTH DID NOT OCCUR. AND THEN THEY JUST HAD TO KEEP THE MONEY IN AN ACCOUNT FOR 40 YEARS OR SOMETHING. THIS WAS WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE COMMISSION -- THINK ABOUT THAT.

SHOULD. OR THE LOWER LEVEL WHERE WE ALWAYS HAVE ONE. YOU ALSO NEED OTHER -- WE DON'T KNEEL -- KNOW WHICH ROAD BUT WE KNOW WE NEEDED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND WE WILL HAVE GROWTH. DEPENDING ON WHERE THE CITY -- IF WE DID A WASTEWATER PROJECT, WE KNOW WE NEEDED ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE GROWTH WILL COME AT. WHICH EVER, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE THAT BOND FOR WHICH ROAD GETS THE -- WHICH ONE GETS WIDENED FIRST. IF THAT IS NOT WHERE THE GROWTH HAPPENED TO BE, BECAUSE ANOTHER BIG PROJECT CAME FROM SAMSUNG AND NOW THERE WILL BE A BIGGER ROAD, BUT WE NAMED 1660 OR THE LOOP NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED, AND NOW, YOU CANNOT SPEND THAT MONEY. TIME THE BODY TO THE FUTURE. YOU ELECT THE PEOPLE TO REPRESENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

>>

>> I WOULD ARGUE, THAT IS UP FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO PACKAGE THAT LANGUAGE FOR THE VOTERS TO DETERMINE. WE THINK THE PACKAGE WILL PASS IF WE PUT THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE LIKELY TO PASS, AND WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT DOING MULTIPLE BOND NUMBERS. EACH IS AN UP AND DOWN VOTE. ONCE AGAIN, THE MAYOR THINKS WE SHOULD DO EACH ITEM AS A SEPARATE BOND. YOU WOULD HAVE ONE FOR EACH. THAT IS FINE. THE COUNCIL CAN DO THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD REQUIRE IT IN THE CHARTER BECAUSE OF THE GROUP OPINION.

YOU LET THAT COUNSEL DECIDE. THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT LANGUAGE AS IT WAS. IF THEY WEREN'T, THEN THEY WERE REJECTED AND THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE. THAT IS WHY I LOOK AT PERMANENT CHARTER CHANGES. WE ARE HANDCUFFING WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT IN THE FUTURE. AND THEY SHOULD DETERMINE THAT. TEA I NEED TO STOP YOU. FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE ELSE, AND THE RECORDINGS, WE HAVE TO SPEAK FROM THE MICROPHONE. WE DON'T HAVE MICROPHONES TO PICK UP COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAKE IT BUT

TO APPEAR. >> I DON'T THINK YOU ARE HANDCUFFING COUNSEL. THEY CAN BE A BETTER STEWARD OF MONEY.

YOU ARE FORCED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT PROJECT YOU WILL DO, WHEN YOU WILL DO THEM, AND I THINK YOU LEAVE IT UP TO BOATERS.

INDISCERNIBLE ] THEY JUST GET TO WILLY-NILLY CHANGE THEIR MINDS. OR DOES THE PUBLIC WANT US TO GO, WE ARE GOING TO REBUILD LIVE OAK. IT IS $50 MILLION.

ME, YOU LEAVE IT UP TO THE BOATERS. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNSEL, THE PREVIOUS COUNSEL, THE PREVIOUS 10 YEARS HAVE DONE A JOB OF PLANNING

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHATEVER BOND LANGUAGE THEY PUT, THE VOTER VOTED FOR THAT. IF THEY WANTED TO BE SPECIFIC -- FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID LIVE OAK AND YOU HAVE $50 MILLION.

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EVERYTHING HAS TO BE NAMED FOR THAT AMOUNT. WELL, WE CANNOT DO

IT. SORRY. >> YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ESTIMATING. BE BETTER STEWARDS OF MONEY. TO ME, YOU LEAVE THIS UP TO THE BOATERS TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT US TO BE PARTICULAR. IF YOU LEAVE IT TO THE COUNCIL, COUNCILS DON'T VOTE

>> PACKAGE. 20 TEAM. VOTERS APPROVED IT. IT IS NOW 2024.

SIX YEARS. THAT $40 MILLION THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED IN 2018, BUYS ABOUT $50 MILLION TODAY. EVERYBODY KEEPS KICKING STEP DOWN THE ROAD. I AGREE WITH MIKE. BE AT HER STEWARDS.

IF WE APPROVED IT IN 2018, YOU SHOULD BE STARTING IN 2019. WE HAVE A SLIDING YEAR. THIS YEAR, WE HAVE THIS MUCH TO DO.

SELL THE BONDS FOR THAT. NEXT YEAR IS THIS AMOUNT. SELL THAT.

THINGS CHANGE. IT IS STILL WRITTEN IN THE LANGUAGE WHEN IT WAS PASSED. WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS PARK, WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT. AS THEY COME UP, THINGS CHANGE. LIKE YOU SAY. SAMSUNG IS NOT BUILDING. WE DON'T NEED THAT ROAD. THAT WILL SLIDE TO THE NEXT YEAR. YOU TAKE A DIFFERENT PART OF THE PACKAGE AND YOU DO A DIFFERENT ROAD THAT DOES NEED IT. THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE STEWARDS OF MONEY.

>> YOU GO EIGHT YEARS AND IT DOESN'T PAY WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO IN 2018. WE CANNOT DO IT NOW.

>> HERE IS THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE GUESSING THOSE FIVE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES YOU WANT TO PICK FROM WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD. WHAT IF ROAD NUMBER NINE ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES A TOP PRIORITY? WE NEEDED TO USE ROAD BOND MONEY TO DO THAT ROAD. THAT WAS NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATED. IF WE ARE SO RESTRICTIVE ON THIS AND SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO NAME THE SPECIFIC ROADS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. IT WASN'T ONE OF THE FIVE. IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE LIST. IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE. THE WAY I VIEW IT, WHERE REPRESENTING A DEMOCRACY. WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE BEST WAY WE CAN AND MAKE DECISIONS THAT WE CANNOT SEND OUT EVERY TIME. THE CITIZEN CANNOT DECIDE EVERYTHING. THEY TRUST US TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS. IF I'M NOT MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS, YOU PUT SOMEONE ELSE IN HERE WHO WILL DO THAT. BUT, WE ARE VOTED IN AND ELECTED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS THAT SOME MIGHT AGREE WITH AND SOME MAY NOT. IF YOU HANDCUFF US TIGHTLY, IT PREVENTS US FROM BEING ABLE TO CARRY OUT THE BEST FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY AT THE TIME. THAT WE CANNOT FORESEE. THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WE NEED TO PIVOT AND SAY, THIS IS NOW THE TOP PRIORITY, BUT WE WERE SO RESTRICTIVE, WE CANNOT DO THAT. WE CANNOT DO THAT. THAT IS MY ONLY FEAR.

>> THIS IS STRICTLY A PRESENTATION.

>> CLASSIC QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW THIS CIP. WHEN YOU CREATE THE CIP, IS IT NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE IN FOR

DISCRETIONARY? >> NO.

>> IS CLEAR-CUT, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. OKAY.

>> DOWN TO THE PENNY. >> IF I MAY, WHAT THIS DOES, BECAUSE EVERY YEAR, YOU GET A LIST. EVERY YEAR. AND THAT IS, WE WANT TO DO A BOND FOR THIS PROJECT ON THIS LIST.

>> I DON'T -- >> AND YOU GO TO THE BOATERS AND SAY, HERE'S THE BOND WE WANT TO PASS. IF IT COMES UP AS A VALID POINT, YOU HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS TO PUT THAT ON THE LIST AND PUT IT BEFORE THE VOTERS.

>> BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THERE IS A REASON WHY YOU ONLY GO OUT 3-5 YEARS. IF EVERY SIX MONTHS, YOU GO, WE NEED A

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EVERYONE ELSE THAT MOVES THERE, THEY WOULD BE LIKE, YOU ARE INEFFICIENT AND CALLING ELECTIONS TO GET 12 MONTHS EVERY YEAR. THAT IS DUMB. THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT DONE THAT WAY.

CALLING THE ELECTION IS NOT FREE. DOING A BOND ISSUANCE OF A SMALL NUMBER ALSO HAS CAPITAL COSTS.

>> THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO TEST IT. PUT IT TO THE VOTERS.

OTHERWISE, WE CAN SAY WHAT WE THINK,

>> BOATERS DON'T KNOW THE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO DEAL WITH IT. THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING.

>> I WILL DEBATE THAT NEXT WEEK.

>> OKAY. MOVING ON. TO 12.01. BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT TERM LIMITS FOR THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. BEING EVERY OTHER YEAR. AND THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ELECTION NO LATER THAN AUGUST 31ST. THAT THEY MUST BE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR WHICH THEY SERVE AS CHAIR, AND ELECTED BY THE BOARD MEMBERS OR COMMISSIONERS. THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TWO YEAR TERM LIMITS AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER WOULD CREATE A HANDBOOK FOR ALL COMMISSIONS AND PRESENTED ANNUAL AT AN ORIENTATION AT THE CHAIRS WILL REVIEW THE HANDBOOK WITH EACH NEWLY APPOINTED COMMISSIONER AT THE FIRST MEETING AFTER THE APPOINTMENT. THIS WAS TO BASICALLY HAVE INFORMATION PURPOSES FOR EACH MEMBER AND EACH BOARD TO KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITIES. WE KNOW THAT ONCE WE GET ON THE BOARD, WE ARE GIVEN A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE ACT, AND ALL OF THAT. BUT SOMETIMES, WE ARE NOT ON BOARDED. AS A COMMISSIONERS AND VOLUNTEERS, TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WHAT WE CANNOT DO, NOT JUST FROM THE MEETING ACT, BUT WITHIN OUR OWN COMMISSIONS. THIS WOULD BE A WAY FOR SOMEONE TO FILL A VACANT SEAT THAT AT THE FIRST MEETING, THE CHAIR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING OVER THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN, EVERYONE HAS THAT KNOWLEDGE BASE.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TERM LIMITS.

BECAUSE, I THINK THERE'S A TYPO. ONE PART SAYS IT IS A TWO YEAR TERM LIMITS AND ONE PART SAYS, YOU ARE ELECTED FOR TWO YEARS FOR YOUR TERM, AND SOMEWHERE ELSE SAYS THERE IS A TWO TERM LIMIT. IS IT TWO TWO TERM LIMITS?

>> THERE WOULD BE AN ELECTION EVERY OTHER YEAR WHEN YOU SERVE, YOU CAN ONLY SERVE FOR TWO YEARS.

>> YOU CAN SERVE 12 YEAR AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SHIFT OFF?

>> OKAY. TEA SO THERE IS AN UP DATE NEEDED TO SAY IT IS ONE

TERM, NOT TWO. >> THERE IS ANOTHER PROBLEM. IN

EVERY OTHER YEAR ELECTION -- >> HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

>> THAT IS NOT CORRECT. I JUST SAID, YOU CAN HAVE TWO.

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LET'S STRIVE HARD TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE WILL DEBATE LATER. WE HAVE ONLY STARTED.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE TERM LIMITS, IS THE INTENT YOU CAN ONLY BE IN ONE SEAT. THE ISSUE I SEE IS, CAN YOU SWITCH FROM SEAT TO SEAT? AND BACK AGAIN? BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE NEVER LEAVING.

>> YOU CAN. BUT IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE CONSIDERED ALSO HAVING AN EQUITABLE WAY TO CYCLE PEOPLE IN. SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST SITTING AS THE CHAIR. WE UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE REASONS WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING FOR FOREVER, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INTEREST OR VOLUNTEERING.

HOWEVER, THAT CAN ALSO BE A GATEKEEPER IN ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. AND ALSO, WE HAD A BIG DEBATE ON THIS. THEY HAVE POWER. THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THERE WAS A BELIEF ON THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT HAS POWER AND THE LONGER YOU SIT IN THE SEAT, YOU GARNER POWER. WE

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WITHIN THE COMMISSION. >> OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, THE EVERY OTHER YEAR. I KNOW WE PUT IN AN ORDINANCE BEFORE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR. I AM CURIOUS WHY, WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED, TO SAY WE WANT ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR, AND THEN YOU WANT TO GO EVERY OTHER YEAR. FOR THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. WHICH IS WHY DON'T THINK THE TWO TERM LIMIT MAKES SENSE.

>> IS A QUESTION? >> YOUR QUESTION IS WHY DO WE

MAKE IT EVERY OTHER YEAR? >> RIGHT.

>> THIS IS ONE OF OUR FIRST THINGS WE DECIDED. I THINK IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO TWO YEAR TERM LIMITS, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONS THAT THEY DON'T? SOME OF THEM, DOES THIS COMMISSION MEET EVERY YEAR? I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

>> NO. THEY ARE AS NEEDED. >> WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE -- IF WE HAVE A COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T MEET, WE WILL TRY TO

KEEP THEM MOVING. >> YES. I BELIEVE WE WENT WITH EVERY OTHER YEAR. BECAUSE SOME COMMISSIONS DON'T MEET.

BUILDING AND STANDARDS. ET CETERA. THEY HAVE NOT MET AND THEY SHOULD BE AT LEAST TO MAKE AN ELECTION. OF A CHAIR AND

VICE CHAIR. >> ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, COUNSEL CAN REMOVE ANYONE AT ANY TIME.

>> HOLD ON. JUST QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> AND FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, WE ESTABLISHED THE FOUR AS A QUORUM. TO BE IN LINE WITH THE QUORUM FOR THE CITY

COUNCIL. >> IS A CURRENTLY FIVE TODAY? WHAT IS THE CHANGER? I THOUGHT THIS IS WHAT IT WAS ALREADY.

>> CURRENTLY THERE IS CONFUSION. IT HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY. WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. CAN WE HOLD A MEETING? AND THEN WE MAKE A PHONE CALL TO COUNSEL AND SAY, HEY, IS THAT OKAY? HERE, WE ARE PUTTING IT IN WRITING. IT IS FOUR, NOT

FIVE. WE ARE DONE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU SAID THE QUORUM IS FOUR, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FOUR PASS. YOU GET INTO LEGISLATIVE -- I'M ASKING, DID YOU LOOK AT THAT? JUST LIKE COUNSEL. WHEN YOU SAID THE QUORUM AT FOUR, IT REQUIRES FOUR EYES TO PASS.

>> THEY SAY THAT WE NEED A MAJORITY.

>> RIGHT. THAT IS WHEN IT WAS FIVE.

>> NO. IT WAS NEVER FIVE. >> WE WILL HAVE TO CHECK.

>> ETHICS. WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR. WE KEPT COMING BACK TO ETHICS. I THINK WE WANTED IT TO BE -- WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, IT SEEMED VERY DISTANT FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS AVAILABLE.

THE LAYPERSON UNDERSTANDING OF THIS SECTION. IT WAS VERY LIMITED. WE ADDED INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE COULD FIND THE INFORMATION FOR FILING A COMPLAINT AND THE ORDINANCE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROHIBITIONS. TALKED ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. WE PUT THAT IN THERE. IS THIS PRIVATE FINANCIAL INTEREST -- THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE

COUNCIL? >> RIGHT. CHANGING THE INTEREST

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INTEREST. >> THAT WAS WITH THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDED. AS FAR AS STATING ELECTED AND APPOINTED, WE WANTED TO CLEAR THAT INFORMATION UP THROUGHOUT THE ETHICS. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTED OR APPOINTED OR WHO WE WERE REFERRING TO. IT WOULD PROVIDE FOR REASONABLE PUBLIC DISCLOSURES. WITH MAJOR DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY. WE ADDED THE STATE LAW. AS FAR AS IN WHAT WAS ENFORCED WITH THE ORDINANCE. WE ACTUALLY DID NOT ADDED. WE JUST SEPARATED IT. WE MADE A REVISION TO MAKE IT MORE LAYPERSON FRIENDLY. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE. BUT WE WENT THROUGH AND STARTED -- AT FIRST IT LOOKED LIKE YOU COULD ONLY FILE FOR THIS OR THAT. BUT, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. WE LISTED OUT THAT THE BOARD WOULD LOOK AT ANY ISSUES. WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE BOARD WAS. THE ISSUE OPINIONS AND CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE. THEY REFER CASES FOR PROSECUTION AND IMPOSE ADMINISTRATIVE FINES. BEFORE, THAT WAS A BIG BLURB.

IT WAS NOT CLEAR. WE LISTED IT SO THAT IT IS CLEAR.

>> WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? THESE ARE ITEMS 1-6 IN A STATE LAW SOMEWHERE? WHAT IS THAT MEAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW?

>> IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AUTHORIZE THE BOARD AS FOLLOWS. THIS IS A LANGUAGE THAT WAS

ALREADY IN THERE. >> I SEE.

>> WE BULLET LISTED AND MADE SURE THEY ALL HAD ACTION BECAUSE SOME DIDN'T. WE MADE SURE THE LANGUAGE --

>> IS CURRENT AT THE WITH CONDUCTING INVESTIGATIONS? AND

REFER CASES FOR PROSECUTION? >> YES.

>> IT DOES. IT IS SECTION B ON PAGE 45.

>> IT IS A BIG RUN-ON SENTENCE. SEE MAKE IT WAS MAKING MY BRAIN

HURT A LITTLE BIT. >> OKAY. WE ADDED THAT THE BOARD OF ETHICS SHALL REVIEW THE ORDINANCE ANNUALLY. KEEP THE ETHICS BOARD MOVING. I WAS SHOCKED THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THAT OFTEN. I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES. I THINK WE SHOULD GET OFF OF FACEBOOK AND GET INTO THE FORMAL SYSTEM CHECKS AND BALANCES. IF WE HAVE ALL OF THIS COMMOTION IN OUR CITY AND THEN THE ETHICS IS LIKE OVER HERE SNOOZING, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ANYWAY. 1309, PROHIBITIONS.

>> GO BACK ONE. >> WHERE?

>> THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOVERNED BY THE PERSONNEL POLICIES AND SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER. WE MADE IT CLEAR, IT IS ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS. I DON'T THINK IT WAS CLEAR THAT IT APPLIED TO THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

>> AND THAT IS IN THE NO MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR APPOINTED OFFICIAL SHALL PARTICIPATE IN A DECISION OR DELIBERATION ON ANY MATTER INVOLVING A BUSINESS ENTITY. IT IS VERY SPECIFIC. 1309 A. WE WANTED TO LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT WAS OPERATING UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE CITY, WHETHER THEY WERE ELECTED, APPOINTED, AN EMPLOYEE, OR VOLUNTEER, WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO DISCRIMINATION OR BE ABLE TO DISCRIMINATE WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF PENALTY.

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>> I HAVE A QUESTION I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT. I SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, DOES THIS NEED TO BE FIXED? IN ETHICS UNDER 1303, THE NEPOTISM SECTION. THAT IS A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW SO WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED. IT IS NOT ONE YEAR. IT IS SIX MONTHS.

WE HAD THIS QUESTION, AND WE SAID WE WOULD FIX IT, AND IT

WAS AN ADDRESS. >> WHICH ONE IS THAT?

>> UNDER NEPOTISM. BOARD OF ETHICS. THE NEXT SECTION WAS,

-- >> B IS NEPOTISM. I BELIEVE.

>> I'M LOOKING AT THE CURRENT CHARTER AND IT IS SEE. ANYWAY.

IT SAYS, THE CITY EMPLOYEE HAS TO BE ONE YEAR, BUT THE STATE LAW SIX MONTHS. WE SHOULD GET THE NEPOTISM RULE TO MATCH STATE LAW. IT SUPERSEDES THE CONSTITUTION.

>> OR YOU COULD JUST REMOVE IT.

>> I THINK IT IS NICE TO HAVE IT SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW.

>> WE WILL BRING THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> AGAIN, WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT ANYONE INVOLVED UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF CITY BUSINESS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY OR INNATE APPOINTED EMPLOYEE OR VOLUNTEER, WE MADE THAT LANGUAGE SPECIFIC.

ADDITIONAL PROTECTED CLASSES SINCE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT DISCRIMINATION. WE ADDED COLOR, DISABILITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE HELD LIABLE TO BY THE LAW. WE CONTINUED THAT THROUGHOUT.

>> WE TOOK THAT FROM THE DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE THAT

COUNSEL JUST PASSED? >> AND THEN, 13 09B, WE ADDED THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. IT LINKS TO THE FORFEITURE. IT WAS VERY UNCLEAR THE WAY IT READ AS FAR AS WHAT PERSON MEANT AND IT WAS UNCLEAR WHERE IT SAID THAT IF SUCH A PERSON IS AN OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY AT SUCH TIME AS THE VIOLATION THEY SHALL IMMEDIATELY FORFEIT THE OFFICE. SINCE THESE ARE LINKED TO WHAT -- BUT IT WASN'T CALLED OUT, WE MAJOR THAT INFORMATION AND LANGUAGE WAS CLEAR. THAT IF YOU ARE APPOINTED, ELECTED, A VOLUNTEER, OR AN EMPLOYEE, IT COULD AT THAT POINT, IF YOU'RE 14 CASHBACK FORFEITING, YOU CAN BE FIRED. WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT LANGUAGE IS PARALLEL

UNCLEAR. >> YOU SAID BEFORE WE TOOK OUT THE EMPLOYEE IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION? BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER THE HANDBOOK. WITH THAT APPLY HERE STILL? OR IS IT CONSISTENT AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED FROM BOTH? I DON'T CARE.

>> I WOULD REMOVE IT FROM BOTH. >> AND BEFORE EMPLOYEE WAS

HERE. IT WAS HERE ALREADY. >> IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, YOU

CANNOT DISCRIMINATE. >> RIGHT. IF THE EMPLOYEE DISCRIMINATES, THE CITY MANAGER DISCIPLINES.

>> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> WE HAVE NO RECOMMENDED CHANGE FOR THE COMMISSION. YORTY ASKED QUESTIONS. I'M NOT

GOING TO ASK. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR

EFFORTS. >> THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THE

LIGHTS BACK UP? >> THIS IS DEFINITELY AN EXPERIENCE. I DO RECOMMEND ANY CITIZEN WHO IS STILL WATCHING THIS MEETING, TO POSSIBLY VOLUNTEER FOR THE COMMISSION.

[9.2. Conduct a public hearing and consider approval of Ordinance No. O-2024-008 to approve a zoning change request for 2259 Innovation Boulevard from Single Family (SF-1) to Light Industrial (LI) for an approximate 5.56 acre site, more or less, of land, generally located southeast of the intersection at Innovation Boulevard and Schneider Boulevard (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey)]

>> THANK YOU. >> NOTE OBJECT IN, I WOULD LIKE

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BOULEVARD. >> DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THIS PROJECT, IT IS REALLY INTERESTING. WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, ONE THING WAS TO ANNEX PROPERTY. WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. BUT ALSO, NOT ANNEXING AND ZONING IT FOR THE ACTUAL USE. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL SINCE BEFORE IT WAS ANNEXED. BUT IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, THE REQUEST IS TRULY JUST TO GET THIS TO ALIGN WITH THE LAND USE AS WELL IS WHAT IS ON THE FUTURE MAP AND WHAT WAS ON IT AT THE TIME OF ANNEXATION AT 2012. THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BUT OTHERS SINGLE-FAMILY ROBBERIES, HOWEVER, THOSE ALSO EXIST IN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE. BECAUSE IT IS LEGALLY NONCONFORMING, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE UNTIL THEY REQUEST IT. THIS PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED IT. TO THE EAST, IS EXISTING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT, AND ACROSS THE STREET IS AN ANNEXATION THAT WAS DONE IN 2008. AND THEN, THERE IS A PIECE OF MULTI FAMILY THAT IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED. AGAIN, IT WAS JUST ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRACTICE AT THAT TIME. BUT THE REQUEST IS TO ENSURE THAT THE ZONING MATCHES THE USE. SO THEY CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS THEY HAVE.

WITH THAT, I CAN SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT. IT ALREADY EXISTS.

WITH THAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF FINDINGS FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I COULD JUST TELL YOU THAT THIS COMPLIES WITH EVERY BINDING WITH REZONING. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COPPER IN THE PLAN AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND MAP. IT IS PROPOSING ZONING THAT IS NECESSARY. ABSOLUTELY. IT DOES NOT HAVE ADVERSE IMPACT. IT NOT ONLY CORRECTS THE CLERICAL ERROR, BUT -- AND THEN, IT RESULTS IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, BUT THAT IS AN AREA WE UNDERSTAND IS GOING TO BE LIKE INDUSTRIAL. IT DOES NOT CONFER ECONOMIC BENEFITS. THIS WAS EXISTING. IT IS A LEGAL BUILDING LOT BECAUSE IT WAS PLOTTED PRIOR TO ANNEXATION. WE DID 13 AND GOT A RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT. YOU ALWAYS BOAT FOR YOURSELF. THEY ARE IN SUPPORT. AND WITH THAT, COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. FROM SINGLE TO LIGHT

INDUSTRIAL. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? ON THE ZONING CHANGE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. SEE NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 11:21 P.M. AND OPEN TO A

MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE 2024-008 AS PRESIDENT.

>> I SECOND THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. WERE THERE

PLANS TO REDEVELOP THIS? >> I DO HAVE --

>> THE ONE CONCERN REDEVELOPMENT IS, BECAUSE THEY ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WAS SINGLE-FAMILY ON BOTH SIDES, THE BUFFER YARDS WILL MAKE THAT RESTRICTIVE. IT MIGHT BEHOOVE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE NEIGHBORS AND SAY, HEY, WE WILL PAY TO

REZONE. WHATEVER IT IS. >> THOSE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT

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WHEN THEY GOT THIS. >> IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE BOXED

IN. >> THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS TO SEE IF WE SHOULD SAY, HEY, WE ARE WILLING TO

HELP YOU OUT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.

CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE TIMELINE? IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY SINCE WHAT DATE? AND OF COURSE, THEY WENT ONTO THE PROPERTY IN 2012? AND NOW --

>> FROM WHAT I KNOW, THIS PROPERTY -- IT IS IN YOUR

PACKET. IT WAS EARLY IN 2000. >> IT SINGLE-FAMILY?

>> NO. IT IS A LOT. THEY CREATED A SUBDIVISION OVER HERE. IT WAS CALLED A COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION. I DON'T THINK THEY INTENDED TO BE SINGLE-FAMILY. IT WAS THEN DEVELOPED AS THEY SAW FIT WHICH WAS MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. IN 2012, THE CITY OF HUTTO WENT OUT AND ANNEXED IT. I BELIEVE THIS WAS VOLUNTARY AT THE TIME AND IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY SINGLE-FAMILY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRACTICE.

SINCE 2012, IT HAS BEEN A LEGAL NONCONFORMING TIP.

>> NOT THAT WE DO FORCED ANNEXATION, BUT AT THAT TIME, WE CHANGED EVERYTHING TO AGRICULTURAL. IT WOULD HAVE TO

BE ZONED IN THE FUTURE. >> FOR SOME WE CHANGE IT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE SINGLE-FAMILY IS NOT A HOLDING, IT IS A TRUE LAND USE AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP THAT. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, IN THE AREAS OF PRIOR MAP, WE WERE DOING AGRICULTURAL WHERE IT WAS PAINTED GREEN.

NOW THAT WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT LAND USE MAP, THAT WAS UPDATED IN 2022. THE PRACTICE IS, IF THERE IS A FUTURE MAP THAT HAS A TRUE LAND USER ZONING CATEGORY WE CAN APPLY TO, IT WAS COLORED RED. WHICH IS TYPICALLY -- WHEN WE ARE ANNEXING, WE WOULD ZONE IT TO THOSE LINES AFTER THE DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, WHAT WAS BETTER? WE MEET THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER, MORE ROBUST MAP.

CAUGHT BY YOUR DEPARTMENT? OR, DID THE LANDOWNER FEEL LIKE -- COMPARE AND -- HEY, WE ARE ZONED INCORRECTLY?

>> THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE. WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN IT WAS SINGLE-FAMILY.

>> AMANDA BROWN. GOOD EVENING. THIS ALL WAS TRIGGERED -- THEY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM. THEY WANT TO GET A PERMIT TO FIX IT AND THEY COULDN'T. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL CITIES. IT WAS DEFAULT ZONING AND YOU HAVE TO REZONE APICAL PROPERTIES LIKE THIS. SOMETHING SMALL WILL TRIGGER IT AND YOU HAVE TO

UPDATE IT. >> LET'S DO IT. GET YOUR

PLUMBING FIX. >> EXACTLY. THIS CAN HELP MITIGATE THE DRAINING ISSUES THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE, CALL THE BOAT.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU, AMANDA.

[9.1. Conduct a public hearing and consider approval of Ordinance No. O-2024-007 to amend the Code of Ordinances (2020 edition, as amended), Chapter 3, Land Use Standards of the City of Hutto by amending Section 10.304.7, Industrial uses, and adding Section 10.308.18, Data Center, and amending Chapter 4, Site Design Standards, by amending Section 10.403.4, Building Envelope, Section 10.403.6 Bufferyard, and Section 10.405.9, Parking and Loading Space Number Standards (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey)]

>> THANK YOU FOR WAITING. >> NEXT WE HAVE 9.1. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE 2024-007 TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES 2020 ADDITION, AS AMENDED. CHAPTER THREE LAND-USE STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF HUTTO BY AMENDING SECTION 10.30 4.7, INDUSTRIAL USES, AND ADDING SECTION 10.308 .18, DATACENTER, AND AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR, SITE DESIGN VENDORS, BY AMENDING SECTION 10.40 3.4, BUT BUILDING ENVELOPE SECTION 10.403 POINT SIX BUFFER YARD, AND SECTION PARKING AND LOADING SPACE NUMBER STANDARDS.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS WE NOTICED IN THE APPROVAL OF THE REWRITE THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO NEED TO GET THROUGH FIRST. WE HAVE TO TAKE A STEP FORWARD ON

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THAT IS ALL ENCAPSULATED IN THIS ORDINANCE AS WELL. THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR DATA CENTERS, THIS IS IF SOMEONE WANTS A 55 FOOT

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HE WILL SEE HERE, THE BUFFER YARD. IT IS IN THE CHART THAT C IS REQUIRED. IS REALLY TO HELP FURTHER PROTECT THE AREAS KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT, THE DATA CENTER PARKING, IT IS ONE PER 5000. WITH A MAXIMUM OF 2500. AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DISCUSSED. THIS WOULD WORK FOR THOSE USES. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL. INSTEAD OF THE DATA CENTERS AND THE CORRIDORS THAT WERE IN YOUR DRAFT, WHAT THEY HAVE CAN ADDITIONALLY APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED TO YOU, IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS AMENDED TO RESTRICT THAT AREA TO THE AREA JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY AS A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE ARTERIALS. DOES THAT MEAN WE GO CROSS THE INNOVATION? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT FURTHER IMPACTING ANYONE IN RESIDENTIAL? YOU DO HAVE THOSE TWO OPTIONS. STAFF IS AGREEABLE WITH EITHER. AND CERTAINLY, WE CAN LIMIT IT FURTHER THAN JUST CALLING UP A FEW QUARTERS. AND KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A KICK OFF JOINT SESSION. WE CAN REALLY START TO DIVE IN. NEXT WEEK ON THE 25TH. I BELIEVE THAT IS NEXT WEEK. KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REWRITING.

THIS IS A INCREMENTAL STEP. WE ARE NOT SLOWING DOWN DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE STARTED TO PROGRESS THE PROJECT. AND WITH THAT, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND I CAN ANSWER YOUR

QUESTIONS. >> WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 11:34. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE. 11:34 AND OPEN UP TWO QUICK QUESTIONS OF

STAFF OR ACTION BY COUNSEL. >> IS THERE A WAY WE CAN WORD IT SO THAT BY DEFAULT IT IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, BUT THEY CAN ASK FOR PERMISSION IN THE LIGHTER INDUSTRIAL? SO THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF WE CHOSE TO APPROVE IT, WE CAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO?

>> YOU COULD ALWAYS DONATE THE PROPERTY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

>> WE HAVE STUFF THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO DEVELOP. SOMEONE MIGHT WANT TO JUMP INTO IT AND PROPOSE A DATA CENTER THERE.

AND IF IT SAYS WE CANNOT DO IT --

>> IT JUST AS YOU CAN'T GO OVER 60 FEET.

>> JUST TO KEEP US GOING, WELL-TO-DO QUESTIONS OR --

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO -- >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO. MY ONLY HESITATION IS, IF WE WERE TO LIMIT IT TO INDUSTRIAL AND NOT HAVE LIKED. IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, CAN WE REZONE THAT? AND THEY DON'T DEVELOP, WE ARE LEFT WITH THE INDUSTRIAL. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PART. I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ZONING INDUSTRIAL FOR THIS USE.

>> KNOW. BUT I MEANT, WE WOULD APPROVE IT ON LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WITH AN APPROVAL. IT WOULD JUST BE, IT IS LIKE INDUSTRIAL, WE CAN DO IT. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT. DON'T WE HAVE CONDITIONAL USES? CAN WE DO IT AS CONDITIONAL?

>> YES. WE CAN SAY, THIS REQUIRES ADDITIONAL COUNSEL RECOMMENDATION OR SOMETHING. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD DO AND THEN WE COULD REALLY START TO FINE TUNE IT

WITH THE REWRITE. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM

COMFORTABLE WITH. >> SO STILL BE ABLE TO DEFINE IT BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF THE MEGA SITE.

>> I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THAT.

>> WHATEVER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL? >> THAT IS A LAND USE CATEGORY ON THE FUTURE MAP. AND WHEN THEY WERE TALKING, IT IS A ZONING CATEGORY. IT IS A WAY TO ESSENTIALLY DEFINE A

GEOGRAPHICAL AREA ON THE MAP. >> OKAY.

>> WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LIKE INDUSTRIAL. THAT IS WHERE THEY

WERE CONCERNED. >> WE CAN JUST MAKE CONDITIONAL

APPROVAL. >> I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN OVER, WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT IS ALREADY LIGHT

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THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANTED. THAT IS WHY WE ARE SAYING THE 130 QUARTER. WE CAN CHANGE THE P TO SC.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH -0 TO SEVEN WITH THE CHANGE THAT THE DATA CENTERS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND IS CONDITIONAL.

>> CAN WE DEFINE THAT WITH THE APPROVAL? JUST SO THAT STAFF IS AWARE THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO REQUEST THAT IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, WE WOULD COME WITH THAT REQUEST?

>> >> SECOND.

>> I MAKE THIS COMET. THE ONLY REASON I DID THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, SOMEBODY HAS TO PUT IN A SUBSTATION AND RUN POWER LINES. TO ME, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT THERE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT. IT IS, WHO ARE WE IMPACTING WHEN WE STRING ELECTRIC LINES ALL OVER TRYING TO GET TO IT? THAT COULD GO THROUGH SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. ALL THE SUDDEN THEY HAVE HIGH-POWERED TRANSMISSION.

THAT IS THE REASON I BRING IT UP. WHAT WE DO ANOTHER DATA CENTER OUTSIDE THE MEGA SITE? WE PUT A SERIOUS AMOUNT OF THOUGHT INTO WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE SAY YES AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, -- I LIVE ON THE EDGE, AND WE HAVE HIGH-POWERED LINES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IF WE KNEW TODAY WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED. WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. ANYWAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST FOR GENERALLY -- FOR CLARIFICATION. WE ARE MOVING IT FROM 45 TO 60? AND THEN, ALSO, ANOTHER THING, JUST SO I'M FOLLOWING CORRECTLY, ANY DEVELOPMENT ALONG 130 ON THE SOUTHEAST LOOP OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, WILCO HIGHWAY -- THERE WE GO. ANYTHING ALONG THOSE CORE DOORS CAN GO UP TO

120? >> IF IT IS A DATA CENTER. BUT IF IT WAS A DATA CENTER, YOU HAVE TO COME IN FOR A LIKE INDUSTRIAL ZONING. BASED ON THE MOTION AND THE SECOND, THE DATA CENTER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. IT IS NOT GUARANTEED.

>> SO, MY ONE QUESTION. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MY QUESTION IS, GOING TO THE 60, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A TITAN BUSINESS PARK BEHIND RESIDENTIAL, WAS PART OF THIS ASKING FOR IT? THE MOMENT WE VOTE, WE WILL GET A 60 FOOT BUILDING OVERLOOKING THE FARMS? I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IS POSSIBLE. I PROBABLY LIKELY. I WANTED TO BE KNOWN . I HAD NO IDEA THERE WOULD BE A 60 FOOT BUILDING IN A WEEK. I AM ASKING, DO WE KNOW OF ANY

REQUESTS IN THAT AREA? >> I DO NOT. SOMEONE WAS LOOKING. IT IS ADJACENT TO INNOVATION AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE THIS. PARADIGM A POTENTIAL AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN CALLING AND SAYING, I NEED 47 FEET. AND THAT'S WHERE I SAY, I CAN'T GIVE YOU 47. I TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WIN. 60 WOULD BE THE MINIMUM SETBACK. THINGS LIKE THAT, WE HAVE TRIED TO AMEND. IT IS STILL EGREGIOUS. WE ARE DEFTLY TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES TO HAVE IT BE MORE COMPATIBLE.

BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST. IT HAS COME THROUGH THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE SERVICES. THERE IS A POTENTIAL BUSINESS THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THE INNOVATION PARK THAT

NEED 60 FEET. >> OKAY.

>> IS BUILDING SEVEN. THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS ADJUSTMENT.

>> THAT IS A GOOD CATCH. >> IT IS ON INNOVATION

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BOULEVARD. >> QUESTION. IF SOMEONE WERE TO WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE IT 60 FEET FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO ALSO IMMEDIATELY PUT IN AND EIGHT FOOT MASONARY WALL.

>> AND THEN THEY HAVE TO PICK UP THE BUILDING.

>> THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIX THE BUFFER ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN UPSET ABOUT?

>> YES. IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET AWAY. AT THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT, THE AREA THEY WERE INCREASING BY OUR CODE WHEN THEN HAVE TO MEET THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. CERTAINLY, THERE WOULD BE MORE BUFFERING. THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE

WALL. >> AND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY APPLY TO THE EXISTING PARADIGM? IT WOULD TRIGGER IT FOR THEM

AS WELL? >>

>> RIGHT NOW, I CAN TELL YOU, NOT THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS NOT ADJACENT. BUT, IT IS A GREAT POINT. IT COULD EVENTUALLY BE ADJACENT. THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A 60 FOOT -- BUT THAT IS NOT WHERE THE TRUCK YARD IS. THAT WOULD BE THE LANDSCAPING.

>> I'M GETTING CONFUSED. I'M NOT INTO REGULATING THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU ARE AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK WE HAVE TO REGULATE. IF THEY WANT TO GO 60 FEET TALL, WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM A RESIDENTIAL FENCE?

>> 60 FEET. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL WORK FOR ME.

BUILDING TO BE STICKING 60 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL FENCE.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE INDUSTRIAL.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I THINK IT IS ALL OVER. TITAN

IS ALL LIKE INDUSTRIAL. >> MAINLY IT IS THE CORE DOOR

ALONG INNOVATION. >>

>> IT IS LIKE INDUSTRIAL. >> IT IS JUST MESSED UP.

>> YES. >> 60 FEET PLUS ADDITIONAL TREES, PLUS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE INSTEAD OF SIX FOOT. IS THAT

WHEN I READ? >> GUESS. YOU CAN SEE THAT ANY ZONED PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT -- WE KNOW WE HAVE AREAS WHERE IT IS STILL RESIDENTIAL USE. INSTEAD OF A 40 FOOT WIDE PLANTING AREA, IS A MINIMUM WIDE TO THE GREATER MAXIMUM HEIGHT. A MINIMUM OF 40, BUT THEN, YOU CAN GO HIGHER. AND ALLOW THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING OR THE HEIGHT OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE. AGAIN, JUST A 1-1. THEY WILL HAVE IT EIGHT FOOT TALL MASONARY WALL AND THEN TWO EVERGREENS. HAD A SHORT TREE AS WELL. WE PUT IN EVERGREENS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LEAVES RIGHT NOW. THAT IS WHEN THEY WERE ASKED

FOR. >> IS OR SOMETHING PRESSING TO WHERE, IF I FOUND SUPPORT TO BRING THIS BACK, THE FIRST IN FEBRUARY, ANYTHING OVER 45 FOOT NEEDED CONDITIONAL APPROVAL? I DON'T WANT TO STOP ANYTHING BUT, NOW THAT WE ARE MAKING CHANGES, IT AFFECTS ALL OF THE STUFF WE ZONED, IS THERE ANYONE ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR 60 FEET?

>> WHAT I JUST SAID. THERE IS THE ONE ON INNOVATION THAT IS

GOING TO BE 60 FEET. >> I KNOW. BUT HE KNOWS, AND

SHE DOESN'T. >> IS THE SAME ONE.

>> SHE WAS ANSWERING A DIFFERENT QUESTION FOR RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT IS ON INNOVATION BOULEVARD.

>> I WOULD RATHER NOT CHANGE OUR RULES FOR ONE BUSINESS. I WOULD RATHER AMEND THE RULES. INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE WHOLE CITY STRUCTURE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE ARE BASICALLY

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IT WOULD BE BETTER TO SAY, IF YOU GO OVER CERTAIN HEIGHT, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE US AND WE SEE THE PLAN. WE DON'T LIKE IT. DO THIS OR THAT AND OKAY, NOW THAT YOU HAVE MITIGATED THE ISSUES, THEN YOU COULD DO IT.

>> I WILL SAY, WHAT WE KNOW COMING IN, IT DOES LOOK LIKE FOR ONE, BUT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR MORE AS --

INDISCERNIBLE ] >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 60. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW

>> THE BUFFER YARD ONLY APPLIES UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL? I WOULD BE FINE GOING ABOVE 60 ON THAT.

>> GO TO 80. >> I WOULD GO HIGHER THAN THAT.

RESIDENTIAL? >> THAT IS THE BUFFER NOW.

>> LITERALLY, BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING, THE DRIVEWAY, AND THE BUILDING -- IT'S JUST NOT THAT MUCH.

>> TO ME, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 80 OR HUNDRED. IT IS LIKE ONE AREA. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST.

>> THE ONLY AREAS THAT HAVE LIKE INDUSTRIAL ARE THE TITAN BUSINESS PARK. WE HAVE TWO LOT ON FRONT STREET THAT IS LIKE INDUSTRIAL. THOSE LOT ARE REALLY SMALL. YOU COULD NOT

REDEVELOP THAT. >> ISN'T IRON HEIGHTS ALSO

INDUSTRIAL LIGHT? >> THAT IS IN THAT WHOLE TRACT OF INNOVATION. THERE TWO LOTS ON FRONT STREET. THEY ARE SO SMALL, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET A SETBACK. AND THEN, THE OWNED PROPERTY -- AND THERE ARE A FEW OTHERS THAT ARE LIGHT

INDUSTRIAL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE .

>>

[10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments]

GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENT AT >> WE HAVE ONE RECOMMENDATION.

WASHINGTON WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THEM TO FILL THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM PETER GORDON. DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE, CALL THE

VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT,

[10.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-021 appointing a representative to the Central Texas Clean Air Coalition (CAC) (Legal)]

CLEAN AIR COALITION. >> REPRESENTATIVE? SYRIAC I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DANA WILCOTT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PROVIDE A REPORT TO COUNSEL EVERY TIME YOU MEET?

>> THERE IS ONE COMING IN FEBRUARY.

>> OR, COURTLY. >> I THINK THE ONLY MEET

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QUARTERLY. >> I USED TO BE ON IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE, CALL THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES 710. NEXT, WE HAVE 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2024-004 authorizing a budget amendment for Parkland Improvement Funds of $1,247,771 for Architectural Services with Burditt Consultants for the renovation of Fritz Park (Alberta Barrett)]

IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT THIS EVENING. THE REMAINING BALANCE OUT OF THE IMPROVEMENT FUND WILL BE

ACTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE

2024 DASH 204. >> SECOND BY THOMPSON. ANY

DISCUSSION? >> AND TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT ADDITIONAL, THIS IS JUST MONEY WE PLANNED TO SPEND LAST YEAR BUT WE DIDN'T. IT IS MORE OF A BOOKKEEPING THING?

>> THAT IS RIGHT. >> PLEASE, CALL THE VOTE.

>> >> MOTION PASSES SEVEN MY ZERO.

[11.2. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2024-006 on budget amendment to realign salary budget for Police Department (Chief Jeffrey Yarbrough)]

THANKS FOR GOING IN. MAKE IT WAS TWO HOURS LATER.

>> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CHIEF OF POLICE. I COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE. WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET FOR 2024, ONE OF THE PRIORITIES WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE PROVIDING THE FUNDING AND CAPITAL NEEDED TO IMPROVE OUR HIRING AND SOME OF THAT CAME WITH THE INCREASED SALARIES. THE STIPEND FOR THE NIGHT SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, AND THE PAY SCALE ADJUSTMENT. WHEN WE DID THAT WE ALSO ADDED THE STAFF POSITIONS AND WE BUDGETED FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OFFICERS. WHEN WE POSTED IN OCTOBER, WHAT WE ENDED UP HAVING IS, I RESPONSE THAT EXCEEDED ALL EXPECTATIONS.

IT WAS REALLY GOOD, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE TURNAROUND TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR THEM TO GET BACK ON THE STREETS. THEY GO THROUGH A MODIFIED FIELD TRAINING PROGRAM IT. THEY ARE ON THE STREET QUICK COMPARED TO THE YEAR THAT IT TAKES FOR ANOTHER OFFICER. WHEN WE DID THAT, IT UPLOADED A LOT OF THE SALARY UP FRONT FOR THOSE 86. WE BUDGETED FOR A SALARY AROUND $65,000. I CANNOT REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

WE BUDGETED, BUT WHEN WE BROUGHT IN AT THE TOP IN, IT ATE IT UP. WE HAD TO STOP HIRING, BECAUSE WE USED A LOT OF THE MONEY ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD OF LETTING THOSE CURE THROUGH THE MONTH AND HIRING A POSITION IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, WHERE YOU CAN BUDGET FOR 60,000 OR 50,000 INSTEAD OF THE FULL

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THEY WOULD FILL THE GAP FOR THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT DIVISION.

WE WORKED WITH FINANCE AND THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE AND CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO WHERE, WE COULD TAKE FUNDS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD NOT BEEN USED AT THE TIME IN THE FIRST QUARTER. I COME BEFORE YOU REQUESTING THAT YOU APPROVE

THIS AMENDMENT. >> QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL OR

ACTION? >> CONSIDERING WHERE WE WERE SIX MONTHS AGO WITH THE OPEN POSITIONS TO HAVE SOLVED THAT BASICALLY, I'D BE IN THE PATIENT WE ARE NOW, AND FIND OUT WE NEED TO ADJUST THE AMOUNT WE HAVE FOR SALARIES BY LESS THAN 2%, I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT. WE ARE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION. AND TO BE OFF BY THAT MUCH, WITH THE CHANGE WE HAVE HAD, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024-006.

>> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IT MIGHT BE FOR THE CITY MANAGER. LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, AS YOU CONTINUE TO HIRE, REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THE IMPACT OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY NEEDED THE FUNDS FOR THOSE STILL OPEN, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR AND FUTURE YEARS.

TRANSITIONING ] >> THINK YOU COUNCILMEMBER.

THE POSITIONS HE STILL HAS THAT ARE VACANT HE WILL NOW BE POSITION IS ELIGIBLE FOR 85, LET'S SAY, THAT IS A $20,000 DELTA WHICH MEANS IF YOU HIRED AT THE RIGHT TIME OF THE AIR WAS ENOUGH TIME HAVING PASSED IN THE BUDGET YOUR HE COULD ONLY EXPEND $65,000 AND BE OKAY UNTIL NEXT BUDGET YEAR AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL POLICE PERSONNEL BUDGET UP TO REFLECT THE HIGHER SALARIES FOR THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE RECRUITED. AND TO COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON'S POINT, IT IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, BECAUSE UP UNTIL NOW WE HAVE PREDOMINANTLY BEEN ONLY ABLE TO HIRE CADETS WHICH , HE SAID SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, I THINK YOU NEED TO GO CHECK YOUR MATH, IT IS 18 MONTHS TO GET THROUGH CADET , TO GET THROUGH FTO AND TO BE ON THE STREET BY YOURSELF SO , WHEREAS OFFICERS ARE COMING IN WITH EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN DOING, A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S GENEROSITY AND ALSO FOCUS ON THE PD DURING THE BUDGET SESSIONS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCED, NOW THEY GO THROUGH A MODIFIED FTO IN 12, 14 WEEKS, THEY ARE ON THE STREET ON THEIR OWN. IT IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE AND I AM NOT AT ALL CROSS WITH THE PD FOR BEING THIS SUCCESSFUL. IT IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE WANT INTO YOUR POINT ABOUT BUDGET LASTLY, WE HAVE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS WHENEVER WE BUDGET AND WE BUDGET FOR ENTRY-LEVEL POSITIONS FOR POLICE OFFICERS

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>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> TO HIS POINT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HIRING MOVING FORWARD AS WE ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE REACH THAT POINT WHERE THE SALARY FUNDS AVAILABLE HAVE CURED TO WHERE WE CAN HIRE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF APRIL IS THE EARLIEST WE CAN HIRE TO HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ARE PROVIDING, THEN THAT IS UNABLE TO DO HIRING ON THIS POSITION SO THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS CHALLENGE AGAIN. IT WAS UNEXPECTED TOO TO HAVE THE QUALITY AND THE TYPE OF OFFICES AND THE LEVEL OF INTEREST , SO IT CAUSED US TO DO SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND THIS IS

ONE OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. >> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WORKING TOGETHER.

AND COMING UP WITH THE SOLUTION TOGETHER, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT ALL BY YOURSELF AND COME UP WITH THE MONEY AND THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ARE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON THIS AND WE ARE WILLING TO , YOU KNOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT FILING OF, THIS IS MY MONEY AND YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY, YOU'RE WORKING TOGETHER AS A FAMILY, I THINK THAT IS REALLY NEAT TO SEE THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DO THAT AND YOU ARE WORKING TOGETHER AS A WHOLE COHESIVE

TEAM, IT IS GREAT. >> YES, SIR.

>> I WILL PIGGYBACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, THIS EXAMPLE OF GOOD LEADERSHIP BECAUSE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST PAY, IT IS ALSO HOW ARE THE PEOPLE TREATED? SO WHEN WORD GETS AROUND YOU WILL GET TREATED WITH RESPECT IN HUTTO AND YOU WILL GET PAID ALSO FOR DOING THAT IT IS LIKE A ONE-TO COMBINATION WHERE A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED, OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, NOT NAMING CITIES, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THE POLICE LIKE WE DO.

I KNOW A LOT OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND I AM NOT TALKING ON 79 DEPARTMENT, ELSE OR BECAUSE THEY DO NOT APPRECIATE THE POLICE SERVICE.

>> YES, SIR. THIS PROBLEM IS AN OKAY PROBLEM, IT IS LIKE YOU EXCELLED SO WE ARE HAPPY TO DEAL WITH THAT HOPEFULLY.

>> WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT YOU HAVE PROVIDED. IT TAKES A LOT WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO YOU TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF TRUST TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO TRUST AND SUPPORT THAT AND THEN YOU SEE THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT AND THE IMPACT, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH OF HOW THANKFUL WE ARE FOR YOU AND FOR MR. EARP IN OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MAKE OUR SHARED SUCCESS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN BENEFIT FROM.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> CORDAN?

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

COUNCILMEMBER GORDON? >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. >> IS THIS ONE WHERE WE CAN

WAIVE THE SECOND READING? >> I'M SORRY, I WAS DOING

SOMETHING ELSE. >> IT IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

>> BUDGET, IT IS TWO READINGS.

>> NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE 11.3 TWO 12.1,

31, 13.3 AND 13.4? >> YOU ALREADY MOVED THOSE

COMING OUT. >> CARD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD

11.3. >> YOU ARE ADDING 13.1 BECAUSE WE DID NOT DO THAT ONE YET, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE AT. DAVID, I AM

[13.2. Consideration and possible action requesting City Staff advertise bids in additional resources (Legal, Alberta Barrett)]

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 13.2, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REQUESTING CITY STAFF ADVERTISES IN ADDITIONAL

RESOURCES. >> AGAIN, ALBERTA, FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO, FOR THIS ONE , I THINK THE QUESTION CAME UP IS , WE CURRENTLY DO OUR ADVERTISEMENTS THROUGH THE TAYLOR PRESS FOR ANY TYPES OF BIDS , REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, QUALIFICATIONS. WE CAN USE OTHER OR ADDITIONAL

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ALSO, OUR PURCHASING POLICY SAYS THAT WE WILL POST IN BITNET, THAT DOES NOT LIMIT US TO JUST THAT PARTICULAR BID NETWORK , AND WE CAN USE OF CASTE OR ANY OF THE OTHERS, WE TYPICALLY FIND THAT IT IS BENEFICIAL TO US FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS. ANYWAY, THAT IS OUR SUGGESTION.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. >> MY ONE THOUGHT WAS AS WE HAVE THE TAYLOR PRESS FOR OUR PHYSICAL PRESS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE COST IF WE JUST DID THERE DIGITAL PRINT? BECAUSE THEN THAT IS JUST AN HTML LINK, THEIR ADVERTISING COSTS IN THE ACTUAL PAPER. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THAT, WOULD STILL GET THE SAME BENEFIT BUT AT A LOWER COST.

>> WE CAN LOOK AT THAT BUT WE HAVE NOT AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD PROJECTS OVER $1 MILLION, THEY GET ADVERTISED IN THE AUSTIN STATESMAN FOR A PERIOD NOT TO BE LESS THAN 45 DAYS.

SOUND GOOD? >> 45 DAYS?

>> WELL, IT IS A MOTION SO I SECONDED IT SO WE CAN DISCUSS

IT. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. THE REASON I MADE THIS MOTION, 45 DAYS BECAUSE YOU SAY CURRENTLY IT IS 14, I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM CONTRACTORS THAT DO NOT SEE US POSTING THINGS, THEY DO NOT LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE AND OUR WEBSITE IN MY OPINION IS A LITTLE ON THE GLITTERY SIDE, THERE ARE 100 LINKS ON THE FRONT PAGE, NOT EVERYBODY READS IT , AND I APPRECIATE --

>> WHAT IS HIS NAME? >> JASON COMING UP. WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW DO WE ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE ESTIMATE OR AREA TO LOOK AND BID ON A PROJECT ? SEVERAL TIMES WE HAD PROJECTS TOLD UP WHERE WE WERE TOLD BY STAFF WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT BID, WE HAD NOBODY THAT FIT SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT BACK OUT AGAIN AND TO ME I THINK YOU SAID IT BEST, IF WE CAN GET ONE PERSON TO COMPETITIVELY BID AND BRING THE PRICE DOWN, IT IS A $250 THING TO POST IT AND WE SAY $250,000, THEN ONE POSTING HAS DONE IT. I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING TO GET MORE BIDS TO COME IN TO HELP GET PEOPLE TO

LOOK. >> ONE THING IS , I DON'T KNOW 100% BUT I WOULD THINK THAT ADVERTISING IN THE NEWSPAPERS IS TYPICALLY WEEKLY. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE AS A FROM THE AMENDMENTS TO SAY SIX WEEKS RATHER THAN 45 DAYS?

>> YES. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT ABOUT IF THE BIDDING PLATFORM IS WHERE THE MAJORITY COMES THROUGH, THEN WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO DID NOT A AND SITCAST VERSUS JUST IN A NEWSPAPER? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WOULD LOOK IN A NEWSPAPER FOR JOBS.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK, WE CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO AUTHORIZE THE USE , WE ARE TO USE BIDNET. DOES NOT REALLY LIKE A CLASSIFIED SERVICE, IT IS MORE LIKE YOU CREATE THE FILE, YOU CREATE THE POSTING AND IT IS THERE AND LIVE DURING THE TIME YOU HAVE IT POSTED TO BE LIVE. WHEREAS THE PAPERS ARE ONLY GOING TO PUBLISH THEY ARE ONE INCH: THAT YOU PAY FOR HOWEVER MANY INCHES YOU NEED ON THE DAYS THAT YOU ASK THEM TO ACTUALLY PUBLISH IT. THE BIDNET AND CIVCAST, IT IS MORE LIKE AN ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE THAT YOU LOG INTO AND YOU CAN SEE WHATEVER RFPS OR RFQ'S ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT 45 DAYS, THEY ARE JUST THERE.

>> MY POINT WAS, IF I AM BIDDING ON A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, I AM NOT PULLING UP THE AMERICAN STATION AND GOING LOOK, WE COULD BID HERE. I WOULD IMAGINE

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>> ALL I WOULD SAY IS WE HAVE BEEN DOING BIDNET, WE ARE NOT GETTING BIDS. BIDNET IS NOT THE ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CIVCAST, SOMEONE GAVE ME ANOTHER NAME AND I FORGOT TO POST IT AND THEY SAID THIS IS ONE AUSTIN USES, TEXDOT USES, WHATEVER THAT ONE IS I DON'T KNOW BUT I ALSO HEARD THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THEIR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE AUSTIN STATESMAN, THEY LOOK AT PAPERS, NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE WHATEVER DAILY IS OUT THERE AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK WE TRY IT FOR 6 MONTHS , IF WE STILL GET ONE BED, TWO BINS, THEN IT DID NOT WORK. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT 15 BIDS AND JAMES IS GOING, WE HAVE SO MANY BIDS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO POSTPONE THIS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL GOING TO THE MALL, TO ME WE HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING BECAUSE WHATEVER WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, I THINK YOU TOLD ME WE EVEN HAD A JOB POSTING WHERE WE GOT -- NOBODY APPLIED OR VERY FEW ON ONE OF THEM A WHILE BACK. SO I AM LIKE, WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHATEVER WE ARE DOING IS NOT WORKING. THAT IS ALL I WOULD ASK, TRY IT OUT, SPEND A COUPLE GRAND. AND IF YOU GUYS COME BACK AND SAY WE ARE WASTING MONEY AND NO ONE IS BIDDING, I WILL BE THE FIRST

ONE TO SAY STOP DOING THAT. >> YOUR COMMENT IS CORRECT, MY EXPERIENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE SENSE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES THAT CONTRACTORS ARE MEMBERS OF AND THEIR JOBS ARE TO WATCH THE VARIOUS NEWSPAPERS AND CITY WEBSITES , THEY USUALLY HAVE CRAWLERS THAT DO THAT. THEY THEN COMPILE THE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO THEIR SUBSCRIBERS, THAT IS USUALLY HOW IT WORKS. THEN YOU HAVE COMPANIES THAT ARE BIG THAT HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR THE PROJECTS TOO. SO ALL THAT IS TRUE, IT DOES NOT HURT US TO ADVERTISE IN THE AUSTIN STATESMAN. I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADD CIVCAST TO OUR POOL , SO THE ISSUE IS THAT IF WE POST ON BIDNET, THEN WE NEED TO KEEP IT IN BIDNET BUT IF WE POST IT IN CIVCAST, WE NEED TO BE KEEPING IT THERE. WE DON'T NEED TO POST AND BOTH.

>> YOU END UP WITH TWO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS THAT ARE DEALING WITH -- ARE NOT NECESSARILY EXACTLY SIMILAR. IN FACT MATT COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN ME BUT THEY ARE NOT EXACTLY SIMILAR. GENERALLY POST THEM ONE OR THE OTHER AND I THINK FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM STAFF, THE CIVCAST IS THE ONE THAT IS MORE WIDELY USED .

>> I WOULD SAY WE DO BOTH CIVCAST .

>> HE JUST SAID IT IS NOT WISE TO DO BOTH.

>> NO, HE SAID IT IS NOT WISE TO POST A --

>> POSTING THE BOTH, GOT YOU. SO WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT?

>> WAS LETTER A RESPONSE SOMETHING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR?

YOU SAY THAT? >> CIVCAST.

>> WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT? >> IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> I DON'T KNOW . >> IS IT FOR POSTING OR A

YEARLY THING? >> IT IS MORE A SUBSCRIPTION

BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON SAID HE WAS OKAY GOING WITH CIVCAST AS WELL AND THE STATESMAN.

>> BUT THE STATESMAN WAS A LIMITED DURATION , CIVCAST ISN'T. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR, RIGHT? WE WILL DO CIVCAST THE SAME WAY WE DO BIDNET?

>> WE ARE REPLACING BIDNET WITH CIVCAST.

>> I THINK IT SHOULD BE BIDNET. HERE IS WHAT I HEARD, WE NEED TO USE BIDNET -- WE NEED TO HAVE BIDNET AND CIVCAST AS RESOURCES BUT WHEN WE POST THE ONLY POST ONE TO THE OTHER, WE MAY WANT TO POST 12 BIDNET BECAUSE IT FITS THE CLIENTELE BETTER. YOU MAY WANT TO POST A DIFFERENT ONE TO CIVCAST BECAUSE IT FITS THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT ARE. YOU DON'T WANT

TO GET RID OF BIDNET. >> I WOULD SWITCH IT TO CIVCAST TO GET RID OF BIDNET. HE SAID CIVCAST IS THE ONE MOST PEOPLE

ARE USING. >> I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME.

>> GOOD EVENING, FOR THE RECORD. YOUR CINDY ENGINEER. -- CITY ENGINEER. THERE FOR A WHILE WE WERE USING CIVCAST AND WE WERE ACTUALLY STARTING TO SEE SOME MORE TRACTION WITH SOME OF THE EARLIER PROJECTS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. WE WERE ACTUALLY GETTING 5 TO 7 BIDS , NOT 15 OR 20 WAS STILL BETTER THAN ONE OR NONE. AND THEN WHEN WE UPDATED THE FISCAL POLICY, WE WERE TOLD WE CAN ONLY USE BIDNET SO WE STOPPED USING CIVCAST AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS JUST CONVENIENT TIMING OR THE MARKET OR WHAT BUT OUR BIDS DROPPED OFF TO WHERE WE WERE GETTING ONE OR NONE. AND SO WE TALKED TO ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS AND THEY ALL SAY WE SHOULD BE USING CIVCAST BECAUSE

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USED THIS, THERE WAS PROBABLY A REASON, WAS IT BECAUSE IT WAS REQUIRED FOR SOME GRANT MONEY AT FEDERAL LEVEL?

>> I THINK IT WAS SIMPLY -- I'M SORRY. I THINK IT SIMPLY WAS WHAT THE STAFF MEMBER WHO IS DOING PURCHASING WAS MOST FAMILIAR WITH OR COMFORTABLE WITH OR IT WAS WET AND WAS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH. EITHER WAY, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON A

PROCESS WAS PICKED. >> DO WE WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THE STATES UNTIL WE SEE HOW CIVCAST WORKS?

>> NO, BUT YOU HAVE MY HEAD THINKING TO WHERE THE STAFF

MEMBER BEFORE MATT -- >> NO, THE PURCHASING PERSON , WHO IS ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING THE PURCHASING?

>> ALL OF A SUDDEN I WOULD SAY WHY DID WE DO SOMETHING? THERE IS A REASON. WHY DID WE WANT LESS PEOPLE TO BID ON OUR

PROJECTS? >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS

THAT. >> WE SWITCH TO CIVCAST FOR EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD, SIX WEEK NOTICE. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

>> CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? CURRENTLY WE ARE USING THE TAYLOR PRESS, WE POST ON SUNDAY SO THAT IS THERE BIG PUBLISHING DAY. THE ONLY DO A SUNDAY AND WEDNESDAY VERSION. THE STATESMAN I BELIEVE IS A DAILY PAPER SO YOU SAY WE WANT TO POST IN THE STATESMAN FOR SIX WEEKS ARE YOU SAYING SIX WEEKS EVERY DAY? OR ARE WE SAYING SIX WEEKS ON SUNDAY LIKE WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AT THE START OF EVERY WEEK? BASICALLY SIX TIMES OR ARE WE SAYING 42 TIMES?

>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO AUSTIN THAT WE PICK EITHER ONE OR TWO DAYS OF THEIR HIGH CIRCULATION. SO IF IT IS SUNDAY, YOU RUN IT ONCE A WEEK FOR 6 WEEKS. NOT EVERY DAY

FOR 6 WEEKS. >> OR IF IT IS CHEAPER ONLINE.

AT AS WELL. >> THE ONLINE IS THE SAME THING, I READ IT ONLINE EVERY DAY, I AM OKAY WITH IT BEING THE EXACT SAME DAYS AT THE TAYLOR PRESS, THE SAME DAYS, DID YOU SAY WEDNESDAY, SUNDAY?

>> TAYLOR COMES OUT, HARD COPIES ON SUNDAY AND ONLINE AND WEDNESDAY IS JUST AN ONLINE VERSION.

>> I AM OKAY WEDNESDAY, SUNDAY. YOU GUYS AREN'T TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PAPER IS WHICH THAT WAY, ARE YOU OKAY

WITH THAT? >> WE ONLY ADVERTISE ON

SUNDAYS. >> I AM OKAY IT JUST BEING

SUNDAY. >> OKAY. IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION RIGHT, AUTHORIZED PROJECTS OVER 1 MILLION, IN THE AUSTIN AMERICAN STATESMAN. EVERY SUNDAY FOR 6 WEEK DURATION. AND THEN WE ARE SWITCHING FROM BIDNET TO

CIVCAST. >> FOR ALL PROJECTS.

>> COOL. >> I GUESS A FINANCIAL QUESTION, OBVIOUSLY THE FISCAL IMPACT IS UNKNOWN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE COST IS FOR THE BIDNET, WE ARE GOING TO GET RID OF THE OTHER ONE. IS THERE ANY BALLPARK -- MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT MINIMUM ASSUMING IT IS ONE INCH. IF IT IS LARGER YOU ARE TALKING $5000 PICK

>> I DON'T NEED IT BROKEN DOWN THAT FAR.

>> OUR POSTS ARE USUALLY WILL LONGER THAN ONE COLUMN.

>> THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAVE A LARGE FISCAL IMPACT?

>> I WOULD NOT THINK SO. IF WE DO NOT THINK IT IS FEASIBLE WE

CAN BRING IT BACK. >> OKAY PERFECT, THANK YOU.

ALL WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORIZATION RIGHT?

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>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

[14. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU, MAN. THAT BRINGS TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, 14.1, 14.2, 14.3, 14.4, SEVEN, EIGHT UP FOR CONSIDERATION. ARE THERE ANY THAT ANYONE WISHES TO PULL?

>> I MAKE A MOTION , I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 14.6.

>> ALL RIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 14.5.

>> 14.1 IS NOT READY AND ALSO --

>> AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 14.1.

>> WHERE IS THAT ONE? >> I AM LOOKING FOR IT. 14.4.

ASKED TO PUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

>> ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE

CALL THE BOAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER? COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER?? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCILMEMBER

WILCOTT? >> AYE.

[14.5. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-023 to reject all proposals received in response to the City’s Request for Proposals (RFP) for Banking Depository Services (Alberta Barrett)]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. BRINGS US TO ITEM 14.5. CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-023 TO REJECT ALL PROPOSALS RECEIVED IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, RFP FOR BANKING DEPOSITORY SERVICES.

>> SO WE ARE 14.1, 14.4 POSTPONED 22/1? IS THAT WHAT

IT WAS? >> CORRECT.

>> WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? >> SO, AT SOME POINT I GUESS EARLIER IN DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER 10TH, WE DID ADVERTISEMENT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR OUR BANK DEPOSITORY SERVICES. HOWEVER SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NOTICE THAT NEEDED TO BE, SPECIFICALLY THAT IT IS A FIELD PROPOSAL. SO WHEN THE BIDS WERE OPEN OR THE PROPOSALS WERE OPENED, OR RECEIVED, SOME WERE NOT SEALED. SO WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BEST TO REJECT THEM, GET THE WORDING CORRECTED, GET LEGAL TO REVIEW AND REPOSTED.

BECAUSE IT IS REQUIRED TO BE A FIELD PROPOSAL AND THEY WERE

NOT. >> OKAY, DO WE KNOW WHEN THE

RFPS WERE RECEIVED? >> YES, IT WAS LAST THURSDAY.

>> THE 10TH OF JANUARY. SO THEY DID THE NOTICE BACK IN DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER 10TH, WE OPENED THEM ON JANUARY 10TH.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> OR, RECEIVED THEM.

>> I HAVE A THING HERE ABOUT PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.

THERE IS SOMETHING IN THESE ABOUT PERSONAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. I DON'T KNOW WHY I WROTE THAT. OKAY, HERE IS A CONCERN I HAD, IS THAT I JUST HAPPENED TO FIND OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL SUBMITTED, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE GROUP FILED DIGITALLY. BECAUSE THEY ALSO ASKED STAFF, CAN WE EMAIL THIS IN? THE STAFF SAID YES. AND SO THEN IN OUR THING IT SAYS EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT AND IT CAN BE DONE IN EMAIL. I WILL BE HONEST, WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER REAL WELL, I WAS REPAIRED FOR, NOT THAT IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR, BUT ASHLEY USED TO CALL IT THE OLDEN DAYS, WE WOULD GET A STORY AND I WAS REALLY PREPARED FOR , TO HEAR A STORY ABOUT HOW THESE PEOPLE JUST DID NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AND ALL THAT AND SO THE ONE THING I APPRECIATE AND I KNOW , I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME UP AND TOLD US THE WORDING WAS WRONG, THE WORDING COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AND ALL THAT BECAUSE TO ME THAT MAKES ME FEEL VERY AT EASE WITH THINGS THAT YOU TELL ME WHENEVER I KNOW THAT MAYBE IT WAS SOMETHING ON OUR SIDE AND WE ARE COMING UP AND TELLING THE PUBLIC WE ARE GOING TO REDO

[05:10:04]

THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> WILL MAKE A MOTION AS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS

PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ONE OTHER QUESTION, WILL EVERYBODY NEED TO RESUBMIT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THIS MEANS, A NEW DATE ON THE THING? OR CAN THEY USE THE OLD ONE AND JUST -- ONLY

PROCESS? >> IT IS A WHOLE NEW PROCESS.

DISCUSSION? I WILL TRY TO EMAIL BACK WITH THE PERSONAL, I MAY HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING . I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING IN THAT RFP , I WILL EMAIL YOU GUYS TOMORROW. I AM SORRY. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? COUNCIL MEMBER??

[14.6. Consideration and Discussion of December Monthly Financial Statement (Alberta Barrett)]

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 14.6, CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION OF DECEMBER

MONTHLY FINANCIAL STATEMENT. >> THE REASON I ASKED FOR IT TO GET PULLED, ONE TO LET YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US, WELCOME TO BE HERE. BUT PRIMARILY ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MAYBE DON'T KNOW WHEN I READ IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION IT SAYS TND ON SALE TAX REVENUE BUT THEN THERE IS SOME COMMENT IN HERE ABOUT WHAT CITY STAFF EXPECTS US TO CATCH UP WITH THE OPENING OF A NEW RETAILER AT THE END OF NOVEMBER, EXCEPT THE END OF THAT RETAILER IS GETTING A REFUND OF THEIR SALES TAX BECAUSE OF PART OF THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE DEAL. SO WHEN I SEE A STATEMENT SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO CATCH UP BECAUSE OF THIS RETAILER, THAT IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT AND THEN IT MAKES ME CONCERNED THAT CITY STAFF DOESN'T KNOW -- ISN'T TALKING TO MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THE CITY STAFF OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TO SEE IF THE FINANCE OFFICER SHOULD KNOW THAT WE DO NOT GET THOSE AND SHOULD KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE. SO THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME WHEN I SEE THAT IN THE PARAGRAPH.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> I GUESS FOR THAT, THE DEAL IS THAT THE CITY DOES RECEIVE THAT SALES TAX, THEN THE CITY HAS TO REMIT IT BACK AND REFUND SO WE DO ACTUALLY RECEIVE IT. THEN IN THIS PART OF THE AGREEMENT -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT WE DO RECEIVE IT AS 100% OR WHATEVER PERCENT IT IS THEN IT GETS REMITTED?

>> BUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO SAY THAT WE ARE ON BUDGET, WE ARE ASSUMING WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET THAT FUNDING FROM THE BUDGET SO WHEN WE SAY WE ARE BEHIND IN SALES TAX REVENUE -- HAVE CLEAR NUMBERS , LIKE 100% OF WHAT YOU ARE RECEIVING FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND FROM THERE YOU DO HAVE A LINE

ITEM. >> FOR A MATTER OF CLARIFICATION, THE EASIEST WAY FOR ME TO EXPLAIN THIS IS THAT IF WE PROJECTED REVENUES ON THE SALES TAX TO BE A NUMBER, THAT IS THE REVENUE SIDE. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE EXPENSE SIDE WHERE WE WOULD BE GIVING THE MONEY OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO IF THE REVENUES ARE LOWER THAN PROJECTED, THE EXPENSES STAY THE SAME. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE MONEY OUT TO THE RETAILER EITHER SO WHENEVER THE NUMBERS COME BACK UP, IT IS NOT THAT WE WERE BUDGETING ONLY WITH THE AVAILABLE DOLLARS THAT WERE AVAILABLE BEYOND THE REBATES , SO THE REBATES DO NEED TO BE IN THE REVENUE SIDE EVEN IF THEY DO GO OUT. THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE -- OKAY, I AM

SORRY. >> MY POINT WAS TRYING TO BE THIS. IF WE THOUGHT TOTAL SALES TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO BE X DOLLARS AND YES YOU HAVE THIS EXPENSE BECAUSE WITHOUT THIS PORTION WAS GOING TO THEN GET BACK AND YES IT IS A

[05:15:05]

>> THAT IS WHAT THE INTENT WAS, THEN YEAH, I AM NOT SURE THAT IS WHAT THEY MEANT BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL LOOK INTO IT IN

-- >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS WAY. THE GRAPH THAT WE TYPICALLY GET, THE ONE THAT WAS MISSING FROM THIS ONE THAT SHOWS THE TRENDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, IS THAT BEFORE -- DOES THAT INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE THE REBATES? IS THAT STRICTLY WHAT WE COLLECT?

>> IT IS STRICTLY WHAT WE COLLECT.

>> SO THAT LINE WOULD GO UP FOR ACADEMY EVEN THOUGH WE ARE REREADING 100% FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THAT NUMBER WOULD STILL GO UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE COLLECTED IT, IT WOULD SHOW AN INCREASE BUT WE ARE ALREADY ACCOUNTING FOR THE FACT THAT IS ON THE BACK END SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT SEPARATE? START SHOWING THAT IN THERE? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW, HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE COLLECTED AND HERE IS HOW MUCH WE ARE HAVING TO REBATE THEREFORE WE KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THAT.

>> IF WE DO NOT ALREADY HAVE THE REBATES , THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES BAKED INTO THE FINANCIAL REPORT, I

THINK WE COULD DO THAT. >> I AM SURE IT IS IN THERE SOMEWHERE BUT I LIKE PICTURES.

>> I AM GOING OFF MEMORY BUT I DO SHARE THAT NUMBER, THAT IS WHY ONE NOTE ON THIS, WE GET THE SALES TAX GRAPH BACK AND IT IS PRE-AMBIT HAS FOUR YEARS UP AND DOWN AND THEN IT HAS GOT A GRAPH OF WHAT YOU COLLECT IN MARCH THAT WAS ACTUALLY JANUARY BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT, THERE IS A- OF OUR INCENTIVES OR WHATEVER. BUT TO THE COUNCILMEMBER'S POINT, HE IS RIGHT, THE SCARY PART ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS , WE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE WHENEVER WE ARE BUDGETING OR ANYTHING, WE ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY, WE ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY GIVING AWAY AND THAT GRAPH IS THE ONLY THING I KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW, THE REST OF THE STUFF LOOKS LIKE FUNDING MONEY BECAUSE FOR 25% OF THE YEAR THROUGH THE BUDGET , SO THIS NUMBER SHOULD BE 28% BUT IT IS 26 , WE ARE BETTER OR WORSE, ALL I EVER LOOK AT HIS OUR EXPENSES AT ARE LOWER THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED IN THIS INCOME AT OR LOWER THAN WE PROJECTED? IF THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPEN I DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS. AS SOON AS I SEE ONE DIP UNDER THEN I START PANICKING BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE THE LAZY BAND -- BALANCED OUR BUDGET AS WE INCREASE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GET IN SALES TAX A LITTLE BIT MORE AND IT KIND OF MADE ME NERVOUS. NOW IF WE ARE SLOWLY MISSING IT YOU WILL HAVE TO CHEW IT UP

EVENTUALLY. >> IF I COULD CLARIFY, THIS IS MY FIRST ONE. I AM SURE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS FOR ALL THE DETAILS ON THESE FINANCIALS BUT SPECIFICALLY WE PULLED THE SALES TAX SHEET FROM YOUR NORMAL MONTHLY, OR -- MONTHLY STATEMENTS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO REWORK IT. THERE WERE JUST SOME THINGS THAT DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AND SO CHRISTINA AND I ARE GOING TO REWORK THAT PAGE. I DO NOT THINK THE INTENT WAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DROP FROM THIS NEW BUSINESS . I THINK THE POINT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IS ON PAGE 5 WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR SALES TAX REVENUE, AGAIN WE ARE AT 24.4% OF WHERE WE THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE AT 25% SO I THINK THE POINT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IS WE ARE CLOSE, IT IS NOT ALARMING, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL THINGS COMING , IT IS GOING TO CATCH UP. BUT AGAIN, WE WILL CLARIFY THAT, WE WILL MAKE SOME CHANGES AND WE WILL BRING THE GRAPHS BACK.

>> SINCE WE ARE TALKING SALES TAX, THIS IS MORE DIRECT THAT COUNSEL, NOT AT YOU, BUT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL TALKING INCENTIVES, TRYING TO DRAG COMMERCIAL USES INTO THE BUILDING WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THAT SALES TAX MONEY IS GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH INCENTIVES. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT MONEY. SO IF WE TAKE SOMETHING IN ONE PART OF TOWN, MOVE IT TO LEGION BUILDING, WE WILL SEE LESS

[05:20:01]

>> 75, 30, YEARS. >> THE SALES TAX WAS DEFINITELY

PART OF IT. >> WE HAVE GOT SOME DEALS THAT WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE DEAD BY THE THING -- TIME THESE THINGS

GET PAID OFF. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE

ACCOUNTED FOR ALL OF THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU , WE ARE GOING TO ASK THEM, REALLY, QUESTIONS THAT BLOW YOUR MIND ON THIS STUFF. AS SOON AS THEY GRAPH CHANGES ALL OF A SUDDEN

[15. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

BEING PATIENT WITH US. >> NO WORRIES.

>> THAT BRINGS US TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE ITEM 15.1, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY REGARDING PUMP AND WHOLE AGREEMENTS. ITEM 15.2, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNOR CODE SECTION 55 POINT 071 RELATING TO 75 LAMERE LOOP JV LLC, AND ITEM 15.3, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551.071 RELATED TO PENDING LEGAL REQUESTS, POTENTIAL CLAIMS, PRETENDING LITIGATION, POTENT

[16. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[17. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]

FROM CITY COUNCIL? >> THE COMMISSION MET THIS PAST WEEK. FOUR MEMBERS WERE PRESENT . THE FIFTH ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENT, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY DOWN HERE AT THE CHARTER MEETING. WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN BEING ACTIVE RIGHT NOW. THEY WENT TO COULD MAKE IT WAS NOT THERE BECAUSE HE WAS ACTIVE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY. THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED FROM GETTING DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL. WHERE WE WANT THEM TO GO. THEY ARE EXCITED FOR THE DISCUSSION COMING UP. THEY HAVE SOME INPUT ON THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO. THEY ARE TRYING TO FORM THEIR IDEAS TO SOMETHING THE BOARD CAN AGREE ON. THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT, TALKING ABOUT EVENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HOLD THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO. THEY SEEM TO HAVE A POSITIVE COACH GOING FORWARD. OUR JOB IS TO TRY TO HELP GET THINGS OUT OF THEIR WAY, HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL, SO HOPEFULLY, WE CAN FIND WAYS TO DO THAT AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AS IS MENTIONED AT THE END OF THE TRAINING SESSION THAT WE HAD, WE NEED TO MAKE THE INCLUSION OF HOUSE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IN LARGE. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING AHEAD WITH POSITIVE THINGS IN THE AREA OF ERIE SMACKED THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE

ELSE? >> I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR

YOU. >> FOR FEBRUARY 3RD?

>> SHE SENT OUT AN EMAIL, AS NEVADA'S DOING BOARDS AND COMMISSION. SMACKED ALL RIGHT. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? ANY

ITEMS? >> THERE WAS JUST THE ONE THAT HE ASKED FOR. SMACKED ALL RIGHT. 17.3. RESCHEDULED MEETINGS AS ALLOWED BY 102.033 ADDITIONAL SCHEDULED MEETINGS. SMACKED THE ONLY ONE COMING UP IS THE JULY 4TH.

READY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE? SMACKED ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.