Jan 25, 2024 Special Joint City Council

[1. CITY COUNCIL - CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

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>> WE DID HAVE -- WE DID HAVE THE QUORUM HERE. WE WILL BE DONE BY ROLL CALL. SPECIAL CALLED JOINTED COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION FOR THURSDAY JULY 25TH 2024 TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? COUNCILMEMBER THORTON? COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK? MAYOR SNYDER IS HERE, MAYOR HORTON? CONSUMMATE COUNCILMEMBER WILL CUT? SHE WILL BE BACK IN A MINUTE. I AM NOT SURE HOW I DID THIS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SO WE NEED PNC TO DO THEIR ROLL CALL. WELL --

[3. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION - CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

>> COMMISSIONER STUART? >> HERE. COMMISSIONER LAWYER?

>> PRESENT. VICE CHAIR HUDSON?

>> HERE. AND CHAIRPERSON SUZANNE HOYER, HERE.

[6. UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ENGINEERING MANUAL DISCUSSION]

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS COME IN AT THIS TIME SO I WILL BRING THIS UP TO ITEM 6, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ENGINEERING MANUAL DISCUSSION.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CORRECTOR, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL BUT I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT, A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WANT TO GET ACCOMPLISHED TONIGHT WHICH IS REALLY HITTING ON THOSE HIGH-LEVEL ITEMS OF WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN OR HEARD IN YOUR TENURE HERE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WITH UDC AND I ALSO SENT OUT BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, VISION AND GOALS WERE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE UDC IS GOING TO USE TO HELP ENACT. THEY HAVE MORE OF THE PRESENTATION THEY WILL JUST BE NEEDING THAT DISCUSSION AND I GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW OF THAT, WHAT IS THE ROLE, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN AND WE HAVE TIME OVER FOR DISCUSSION AS WELL. STAFF WILL BE ON HAND TO ANSWER QUESTION BUT THIS IS AN INFORMATION GATHERING TO PICK YOUR BRAINS AND GET DIRECTION ON WHICH WE WE ARE GOING AND WE WILL LOOK OVER STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND NEXT APPS WE HAVE FOR YOU.

>> HELLO MAYOR, COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS WILSON KERR, I AM FROM TREES AND THE NICHOLS I AM A PART OF THE PROJECT ARE GOING RIGHT NOW. WE JUST HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU ALL, KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF HOW THIS IS TIED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN WE HAVE THREE PROMPTED QUESTIONS AND AT THE AND SOME OPEN DISCUSSION WHERE I WILL BE TAKING NOTES DIRECTLY ON THE SCREEN SO YOU ALL CAN SEE THOSE BULLET POINTS COME UP. SO HERE'S OUR OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE WILL BE COVERING TODAY. AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR TEAM AS WELL. AS I SAID, MY NAME IS WILSON KERR, I AM THE APM ON THIS PROJECT, CAITLIN, WHO IS RPM COULDN'T BE HERE, SHE IS VISITING FAMILY AT THE MOMENT. OUR PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, CHAD SPARKS. WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH SEAN COMPTON WITH COMPTON CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, HE'S WORKING WITH US ON THE FORM-BASED CODE PORTION OF THE EYE UDC. WE SUNK OBJECT SUBPROJECT WITH KENLEY HORN, THEY'RE WORKING ON OUR ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL UPDATE AND WE HAVE JASPER HERE AS WELL, ONE OF OUR NEWEST MEMBERS OF THE TEAM, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD AND WE HAVE SOME OF OUR OTHER TEAM MEMBERS APPEAR, REESE WILSON, KIND OF OUR CODE GROUP.

CAROLINE STEWART, ROBERTSON, JACOB ROJO WHO ARE REALLY PRODUCTION ON THIS PROJECT. THE SCOPE OF WORK. IT'S PRETTY CLEARLY DEFINED. WE ARE DEVELOPING AND UPDATING UDC, UNIFIED ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL CONSISTENT WITH STANDARD AND PROCEDURES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. HERE'S OUR TIMELINE.

GETTING INTO DETAIL ON THE PROJECT SCHEDULE HERE. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT ON THE SCREEN AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THIS IS THE WAY I COULD SHOW IT ON ONE SIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE WORKING ON THE JOINT WORKSHOP WITHIN OUR PUBLIC

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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE KEPT IN MIND IS HOW DO YOU TAKE YOUR TRYING TO GET IS A COMMUNITY AND HOW DO YOU OPERATIONALIZE THAT? SO THAT IS WHERE WE START FROM. WHEN WE DID THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN WE ACTUALLY STARTED THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT ON YOUR CODES. WE WENT THROUGH AS A BEST PRACTICE ASSESSMENT AND ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN TO GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING TO BE BUT ALSO TO PREPARE Y'ALL FOR WHAT THAT STUFF MIGHT LOOK LIKE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOING FILAMENT CODES IN 2024 TERMS, PRACTICE AND DIRECTION ON DEVELOPING CODES HAS SHIFTED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. IF YOU'RE DOING A CODE IN THE 90S, GENERALLY IT'S MORE AND MORE COMPLEX WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF LAYERS. PRACTICE IS VERY FOCUSED ON STREAMLINING.

BASICALLY WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO DO? WHAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B? ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT HOW THE USE PART OF THE CODE INTERACTS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THE PROCESS. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IN OUR EXPERIENCE IS IT IS PROCESS THAT CAN DO THE MOST DAMAGE AND THE PROJECT MIGHT OTHERWISE BE VERY APPEALING. THE FUTURE PROCESS IS RIGHT, THAT'S ABOUT HALF THE BATTLE AND THE REST OF THAT IS JUST CALIBRATING YOUR CODE, MAKING SURE IT MAKES SENSE AND PROVIDES THE RIGHT FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT'S NEEDED, IT CAN EMBRACE CREATIVITY WHERE IT'S NEEDED BUT ALSO WHERE YOU ARE NOT GIVING UP THE QUALITY YOU ARE EXPECTING AS YOU GO FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP IN MIND THROUGH THIS. KEY FINDINGS OUT OF IT THOUGH.

LOOKING AT YOUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SOME USER-FRIENDLY ASPECTS TO IT. IT IS NOT AN EASY CODE TO USE. IT IS ORGANIZED ODDLY WITH SOME LACK OF CROSS-REFERENCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE PROCESSES INVOLVED ARE A LITTLE BIT CUMBERSOME AND THOSE ARE SOME COMPLEX REGULATIONS. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TYPES OF ZONING TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE CODE.

YOU HAVE CONVENTIONAL ZONING, YOU HAVE FOR-BASED CODES THAT ARE PART OF THAT AND THE FORM-BASED COAST CODES Y'ALL ARE A PRETTY COMPLEX APPROACH, NOT THE TYPE WE TYPICALLY SEE IN A SMALLER CITY. WHAT WE SEE COMING OUT OF THIS IS YOU WANT FLEX ABILITY AND DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON THE DAIS AS THE COMMISSIONER, THE COUNCIL, YOU WANT TO BE CONFIDENT THAT WHEN THAT ZONING CASE COMES THROUGH YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WE KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO TURN OUT IN THE END. WE WON'T HAVE TO HANG THESE THINGS UP AND WE CAN PROCEED WITH CONFIDENCE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE ARE AFTER IN THIS PROCESS IS WHEN THINGS ARE COMING TO YOU, THE DECISION IS EASY. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AFTER. SO WHAT WE WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT YOU ENCOUNTER WHEN YOU ARE UP AT THE DAIS MAKING DECISIONS. WHAT ARE THE DECISIONS YOU SEE EMERGE WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES AS A COMMISSIONER WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PROJECT, WHAT INFORMATION HAVE YOU NOT SEEN OR PURCHASE HAVE YOU NOT SEEN? WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PUBLIC WHEN A PROJECT IS CONTROVERSIAL? WHAT ARE YOU

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OPEN THE FLOOR FOR Y'ALL. >> RICK, ARE YOU GOING FIRST?

>> I'M NOT AFRAID TO START, LET'S DO THIS. THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THE BACK-AND-FORTH, THE NEGOTIATIONS WE HAVE FOR TREE COVER AND PLANT COVER. WE'VE GONE WITH PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAST 2 TO 3 YEARS AND WE SAT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THE ENTITY DOING THE DEVELOPMENT AND WORKED ON A COMPROMISE BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN WITH THIS, I WON'T SAY BURDENSOME TREE COVER DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE HAVE TO MODIFY IN ALL OF THESE CASES. SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY MODIFYING THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WAS KIND OF DEVELOPED IN A VACUUM ALMOST.

AND IT WASN'T PUTTING BEST PRACTICES ON PAPER.

>> CASE YOU FIND WHERE PEOPLE ARE ASKING TO MODIFY EVERY TIME, YOU'RE INCLINED TO MODIFY IT BECAUSE PEOPLE AGREE IS NOT ALIGNED TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

>> EXACTLY. >> MAKES SENSE.

>> WE HAVE HAD STAFF TELL US AS THE CODE IS WRITTEN, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS NO ABILITY TO MEET THE CODE. THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST WAYS I ALWAYS LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT SAYS THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CODE WHEN A PERSON WHO EVEN

WANTS TO DO IT CAN'T DO IT. >> RIGHT. SO DOESN'T FUNCTION TO THE POINT THAT IT LITERALLY CAN'T BE COMPLIED WITH, OKAY? BUT YOU CUT DOWN THE TREE AND THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT YOU HAVE TO GET. BUT IT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE TREE CREDITS, IT'S ALSO GOT TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT NEED TO BE PLANTED ON AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL LOT. AS FAR AS TREE COVERAGE GOES WE ARE TALKING THREE INCH CALIPER TREES THAT ARE FIVE FEET, BEEF EIGHT FEET APART, THAT IS JUST NOT GOING

TO WORK. >> THE OTHER ISSUES I HAVE SEEN RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION WITH UTILITY EATS SINCE OUR PLANNING AND COMBINING IT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF HOW MUCH NEEDS TO BE GIVEN AFTER THE FACT. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN. WE'VE HAD FOUR OR FIVE COME IN. AS MUCH AS WE CAN WE HAVE ADOPTED IT IN ORDINANCE BUT WE NEED TO CODIFY IT BUT WE CAN DO WITH CHANGING GOING FORWARD, AND ALSO IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE UTILITIES IN THE FRONT AND IN THE BACK BUT THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO BE IN THE BACK BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DRAINAGE AIDS BUT WE ARE SAYING YOU CAN'T PUT A TREE IN THAT FIVE FOOT EASEMENT WHICH IS NEVER GOING TO BE USED. AND IT'S MORE FORWARD THINKING ON THAT. ALSO MAYBE SOME OTHER DESIGN CRITERIA IS TO HANDLE SOME OF THESE OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE THE GRASS, THE GARAGE COVERAGE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WITH THE FACING, WE HAVE HAD ISSUES ON THAT. SO IT WOULD BE SOME MORE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, WHAT IS LIGHT AND HOW FORWARD IT CAN BE ON THE DRIVEWAY, STUFF LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT HAVE COME UP HERE RECENTLY.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> OH, AND THEN THE LAST IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT AND ASSIGNMENTS, WE'VE HAD ORIENTATIONS OF HOTELS AND AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE JUST

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>> SO YOU THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY TYPE

STUFF? OKAY. >> I THINK IN GENERAL WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH BUFFERS BETWEEN DIFFERENT USE TYPES. A LOT OF IT, SOMETHING AGAINST RESIDENTIAL EITHER APARTMENTS OR A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HOW CLOSE A BUILDING COULD BE TO THEIR BACKYARD. APARTMENT COMPLEX. WE DID CHANGE THE LIEN INDUSTRIAL BUT LOOKING AT WHAT CONFLICTS THERE COULD BE ON THE BUFFERED YARDS. MAKE SURE WE REALLY CONSIDER THAT AND -- I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO BE INTELLIGENT IN THE FUTURE LININGS MAP OF NOT PUTTING TOO MANY INCOMPATIBLE THINGS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT -- IN CASE IT HAPPENS YOU HAVE TO BE READY

TO -- >> YOU NEED SOMETHING THERE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFERS IN TERMS OF DISTANCE OR BUFFERS IN TERMS OF THE CONTENT THAT IS REQUIRED IN THEM? STUCK WITH INDUSTRIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID CHANGE WAS SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE TRUCK BAYS FACING RESIDENTIAL. SOME OF IT IS THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE LIGHTING THAT POURS INTO SOMEONE'S YARD. WITH THE DISTANCE OF SOMEONE'S BUILDING.

IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SUGGEST MAKING SURE WE ARE THOUGHTFUL ON WHAT THOSE RULES ARE.

>> SO LIKE CLASSIC -- OH YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO.

>> I AM ACTUALLY CONVINCED HE SENDING ME OVER HERE TO TRY TO TAKE ME OUT. I'M SCARED OF ALL THOSE WIRES. WHAT ELSE IS COMING TO MIND THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN?

>> I REMEMBER TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH PARKING I GUESS, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR WITH THE NUMBER OF SPACES WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA, SO THEY KIND OF WENT OFF OF WHAT ROUND ROCK USES BECAUSE I GUESS IT MAY BE NOT CLEAR IN OUR CODE. THAT'S JUST KIND OF A GENERAL

STATEMENT ON THAT PART. >> THAT KIND OF REASONING BACK TO THE STATEMENT THE FOLLOWING BEST PRACTICES. THE TREND IN BIG CITIES IS GETTING WAY. WE'VE GOT A CAR CULTURE AND YOU HAVE TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO GET RID, MAYBE DON'T NEED AS MUCH PARKING BUT WE ARE SMART ABOUT THAT. CAN'T ALUMINATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TRYING TO HAVE THE RIGHT SIZE, THIS IS

IMPORTANT. >> HAVING A RANGE MAY BE.

>> IT HAS TO FIT THE BLACK FRIDAY CROWD, PROBABLY ISN'T THE RIGHT THING FOR A LOT OF BUSINESSES.

>> THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF POSSIBLE. YES, WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES BUT I FEEL IT IS A FAILURE IF OUR UDC SAYS SEE WHAT HAPPENED FOR THIS. PDF FILES ARE CHEAP. WE HAVE HARD DRIVE SPACE. EVEN IF YOU COPY THE DATING THING, IT IS THE ACTUAL CODE. IF WE NEED TO REWRITE HOURS, FINE. WE ARE GOOD ENOUGH WRITING OUR OWN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE REFERENCES TO ANY OTHER CITIES OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR BEST PRACTICES. WE WILL BE HANDCUFFED BY WHAT THEY CHANGE,

SAYING WHAT THEY SAY. >> ANOTHER THING I REMEMBER WITH THE PARKING, ALSO THE CANDLELIGHT, I GUESS HOW MUCH LEVEL OF LIGHTING I GUESS, THAT IS NOT OUTLINED IN OUR CODE EITHER, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND SO OBVIOUSLY IT WAS USED TO REFERENCE BEST PRACTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T DETERMINED. SO THEY WERE JUST LIKE HEY, WE THINK

THAT THIS MIGHT BE BEST. >> THE HEIGHT LIGHTING SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WAS SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD RECENTLY. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SMART LADY FEATURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CODIFYING THAT INTO THE CODE I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT MOVE, BUT -- WE HAVE BEEN GOING THAT DIRECTION ANYHOW WHERE WE DON'T HAVE FULL ILLUMINATION AT 2 A.M. ON AN EMPTY PARKING LOT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE, IT'S NOT ENERGY-EFFICIENT AND IT'S DISTRACTING FROM THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA. WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THE DEVELOPERS AWAY FROM THAT AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS WE GO

THROUGH. >> YOU KIND OF HAVE TO

DETERMINE CASE-BY-CASE. >> HAVING IT DOWN IN CODE, IN

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TO ME, IS VERY SMART. >> THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT ALWAYS RAISES CONCERN FOR ME, IS WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS NOT ARBITRARY. BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A BUSINESS THAT CLOSES AT NINE, BUT THEN TYPICALLY WHAT YOU WILL FIND A CITY IS THEY WILL MAKE THE RULE AND EGO COMES OUT AND THERE LIKE PEOPLE ARE HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT, IT'S NOT SAFE TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND EVERYBODY IS GOING THAT'S THE CODE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

>> IN THE SMART LIGHTING, IT'S BASICALLY MOST AND ACTIVATED LIKE YOUR GARAGE SECURITY LIGHT, IF THERE IS A MOTION IN THE PARKING LOT IT GOES BACK UP TO FULL POWER. SO YES. YOU CAN HAVE THE SPACE SAFETY ASPECTS WITHOUT IT BEING

THERE FULL-TIME. >> HAVING A LATE NIGHT EVENT SALE AND THEY ARE OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT BUT THE LIGHTS WENT DOWN, THE MOTION IS GOING TO KICK THOSE LIGHTS RIGHT BACK UP

AND THAT'S FINE. >> OTHER TIMES WE WILL USE TIME OF CLOSE AND BASICALLY SAY LIGHTING THE STANDARD AN HOUR AFTER CLOSING, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON.

>> YOU LOOK AT ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THEIR CITIES GOING WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT THEN EVERY TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME THERE IS A FREEZE I GET A CALL THAT HEY, THE LIGHTS ARE ON IN FRONT APARTMENT, THE LIGHTS ARE ON HERE. EITHER TECHNOLOGY FAILS OR IT DOESN'T KEEP UP. OR TO ME -- A LOT OF THE THINGS I SEE OUT THERE -- EVERYTHING IS ARBITRARY. ALL TREES HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE CAL., SIX FEET ON CENTER AND YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S A WAREHOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT AND PERSONALLY I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TREES AT ALL. MAYBE INSTEAD OF 103 INDUSTRIES, I WILL BE DEAD BEFORE WE SEE THEM AS TREES, MAYBE WE COULD PUT IN 29 INCH OR WHATEVER, SOME BIGOTRY THAT COSTS MORE MONEY BUT THEY SPENT THE SAME OR LESS AND SOMEONE IS LIKE WHAT DO WE WANT FOR TREE CANOPY? DO WE WANT JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF SMALL FIVE GALLON TREES PLANTED EVERYWHERE OR DO WE WANT TREE CANOPY THAT PROVIDES SHADE? AGAIN IT'S AN ARBITRARY THING.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WAY TO DO OFFSETS.

>> I AM TALKING LIKE -- WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT COME BEFORE US, THE CONDOS FOR THE TOWNHOMES RIGHT UP ON THE STREET AND THERE'S MAYBE 30 FEET BETWEEN THE BUILDING IN THE STREET AND THEY GOT TREES PLANTED RIGHT THERE AND I WAS LIKE -- BUT IT WAS LIKE A SIDEWALK -- IT WAS LIKE A SIDEWALK AND THEN IT WAS LIKE A TREAT I HAVEN'T SEEN, THE CITY MANAGER SAYS HE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE ALL THE TREES WERE STANDING UP STRAIGHT BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET. MOST OF WHAT I SEE IS THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK OUT. WE HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE IN OUR CODE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WERE PUTTING IN THESE TREES AND WE HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY COME IN AND IT'S LIKE EVERY OTHER ONE IS A BRAND-NEW TREE AND I'M ALWAYS THINKING, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE TYPE OF TREE, LIKE, I REMEMBER WHEN REPAIRS WERE BIG, THE FIRST ICE STORM CAME BY AND THEY WERE DECIMATED, LET'S NOT DO THAT ANYMORE. IT'S THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE SOMETIMES WHAT'S THE FUNCTIONALITY, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? IF IT'S JUST A TREE CANOPY THEN YEAH. IF IT'S BECAUSE YOU ON THE SIDEWALK COVERAGE WHICH IS WHAT STAFF HAD SAID, THIS IS FOR SHADE ON THE SIDEWALK, TO ME I THINK THAT IS A DEVELOPER THING. IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO SHADE A SIDEWALK THAT HELPS THEM SELL WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING, THEN MORE POWER TO THEM BUT IF WE ARE TELLING THEM TO SHADE A SIDEWALK, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SHOULD BE TELLING THEM TO DO THAT. FOR MOST PEOPLE IT'S HUNDRED 10 DEGREES, SHADE DOESN'T MATTER, IT STILL HUNDRED 10 DEGREES. WITH ACADEMY I THINK WE HAD A GLAZING ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CODE EXACTLY SAYS THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD TO GO OUT THE GLASS AND IT'S LIKE WELL HOW DO WE PUT ALL THESE THINGS UP INSIDE. THAT WAS A GLAZING

THINGS, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. THEY HAD A GLAZING

CONCERN. >> WE REQUIRE A LOT OF THIS INTO ME I GO BACK TO WHATEVER THE BUSINESS WANTS TO DO. IF THEY WANT TO DO STONE THEY DO STONE. IF THEY WANT BREAK -- YOU DON'T WANT SHEET METAL BUILDINGS PUT UP BUT WHEN WE

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>> YOU CAN DETERMINE MATERIALS RIGHT?

>> YOU CAN DETERMINE MATERIALS LIKE BUILDING BUT YOU CAN DO

OTHER THINGS. >> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT YOU CAN'T DO BUT THEN THERE'S THINGS THEY CAN DO AND IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH WHAT YOU CAN DO YOU THEN HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU CAN DICTATE STONE TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY TOUGH OVER HERE, I'M NOT SAYING WE DO IT --

>> IF YOU DO IT ON YOUR TREES AND HAVE TO PUT THE STONE IN.

>> IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE TREES AND, YOU KNOW IT REALLY HELP, HE LIKES STONE ON BUILDINGS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE OKAY, WE WILL PUT DOWN, WHAT DOES THAT GET US OUT OF? WE CAN CUT YOUR TREE COUNT BY 50% AND THERE LIKE OKAY WE WILL DO THAT. CITIES DO THAT. ASHLEY DOESN'T DO THAT BUT WE WERE TALKING BEFORE, WITH CODES, THEY ALWAYS GET NERVOUS BECAUSE EVERYBODY, IF YOU GOT PAID PER WORDS, WE WOULD HAVE A THICK THING. SETBACKS, I DID HEAR THAT. FOR ME I NOTICED GENERAL SETBACKS AND PUD. EVERY RESIDENTIAL LOT HAS A FIVE ON THE SIDE, 10 IN THE BACK, 20 UP FRONT. AND THIS IS THE ONLY METROPOLITAN AREA I HAVE EVER LIVED IN WHERE EVERYONE HAS ONE ALL THE WAY AROUND AND I'VE BEEN IN AREAS WHERE THEY DID IT THROUGH THE FRONT AND THE HOMEOWNER SIGNED UP AND THEY RAN IT TO THE HOUSE BUT THEN TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING AROUND IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A TAKING OF THE PROPERTY IN MY MIND. YOU PAY TAX BUT YOU CAN'T PLANT TREES OR BUSHES, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE BUT THEN THE SETBACKS, WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE A BUILDING TO BUILD AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE SAME SETBACKS YOU WOULD SEE IF YOUR NEXT RESIDENTIAL OR NEXT OR COMMERCIAL. WE TALKED ABOUT HEIGHTS. I DON'T THINK HEIGHTS MATTER NECESSARILY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE ISSUE OF A 300 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, AS SOON AS YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING NEXT RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN COMMERCIAL, HUMAN WANT TO BE THE PERSON WHO RAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS A FOUR-STORY BUILDING, EVERYTHING IS GONE. I THINK SOMEHOW YOU GOT TO -- YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN RIGHTS WITH WHAT TO DO ON THEIR PROPERTY BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK IT SHOULD INFRINGE UPON THE PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. LAST ONE I HAD WAS -- IT MAY BE A SETBACK KIND OF THING BUT HOAS, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT'S ONLY IN THE CITY I NOTICED IT BUT NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HOAS LAND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO YOU GET INTO THESE ISSUES WHERE, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, SAY, THE WALL GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? TYPICALLY THERE ARE NEIGHBORS, THERE'S AN INCH AWAY FIVE OR 10 FEET GOING AROUND. THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LAND BACK UP TO AND ENCORE SUBSTATION, WITH AN ENCORE, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY ENCORE IS RESPONSIBLE HALF AND THE HOMEOWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE STEAL. LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT TO WHERE IF 13 INCH DRAINAGE DISHES WE CAN'T ACCESS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO THE DRAINAGE DITCHES BECAUSE THE HOMES ARE RIGHT UP.

WE HAD TO LOOK AT GETTING EASEMENTS FROM HOMEOWNERS SO WE CAN GET EQUIVALENT BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE THE FENCE OUT. LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL-TIME THINGS FROM 20 YEARS AGO THAT NOW, THESE NEW STANDARDS, WE ARE EXPECTED TO MOW DRAINAGE DITCHES. WENT TO GET A MOWING IN THERE.

>> WHAT YOU ARE KIND OF DESCRIBING IS THINKING ABOUT THE DESIGN OF STUFF WITH THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE IN MIND AFTER IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, MAKES SENSE?

MIND? >> THE ONE THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS A LOT OF TIMES THAT COUNSEL WE GET PUDS TRYING TO MODIFY SOMETHING THE UDC DOES NOT ALLOW BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER WHAT THE UDC ALLOWS. TO MY MIND THAT SEEMS WEIRD. IT SEEMS LIKE IF THEY WANT TO COME AND GET A VARIANCE TO TRY TO ASK TO MAKE IT -- IF IT ISN'T AS GOOD AS THE UDC WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED OR HAVE A CONVERSATION BUT IF THEY ARE MEETING OR EXCEEDING THE UDC, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE UDC SAYS THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNSEL IF IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER. THAT HAS ALWAYS SEEMED COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME.

>> YEAH. EXCHANGE TYPICALLY. IF THEY ARE CRANKING UP THE QUALITY SOMEWHERE, IT'S PROBABLY

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>> THE SLOPE OF A ROOF OR SOMETHING.

>> YEAH, THEY WANTED A DIFFERENT ROOF SLOPE AT A LOT OF IT WAS LIKE WHY DO WE CARE KIND OF A THING, YOU KNOW?

>> A SPECIAL FENCE AROUND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AS LONG AS WE

GOT A CERTAIN SLOPE. >> DO YOU Y'ALL LIKE HAVING THAT KIND OF THING COME TO Y'ALL?

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T BECAUSE -- I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF HAS NEVER ENTERED THE CONVERSATION AND GETTING RID OF OUR PROBLEMS, THAT WOULD BECOME ONE. TREES HONESTLY HAS NEVER, AND PEOPLE SAY YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TREES OUT HERE. PEOPLE ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE USE IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT IF IT IS A HOTEL, BACKYARD, APARTMENTS OR TRAFFIC ON ROADS SEEMS TO BE THE TOP ISSUES. I THINK A LOT OF THE STUFF, IT'S KIND OF TRIVIAL. IT JUST COMES TO US BECAUSE IT

DOESN'T HIT CODE. >> SURE.

>> YEAH, I THINK SOME OF THE HOUSING TYPES, WE FOUND A LOT MORE OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY RENTAL THAT DOESN'T REALLY FIT ANYWHERE. AND SO SOME OF THOSE SMALL INDIVIDUAL HOMES DIDN'T REALLY FIT. SO THEY NEEDED TO COME TO US ON THOSE, FIGURING OUT HOW WHAT THEY WANT TO ALLOW AND WHAT THEY WANT TO GIVE FLEX ABILITY AND SOME OF THOSE HOUSING TYPES WOULD BE. GET A

LITTLE BIT MORE CERTAINTY ON. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEWER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. THE CODE MAY BE STRUGGLES TO

ACCOMMODATE WHICH IS UNCLEAR. >> WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING ONCE, THAT'S OKAY BUT YOU SEE SIMILAR THINGS TWO OR THREE TIMES -- MAYBE WE SHOULD GO AHEAD --

>> PROBABLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. OKAY.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO REGULATE HIS DETENTION PONDS ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. IT SEEMS LIKE THE EYESORE ARE TO BE -- I KNOW SOMETIMES IT IS A GRADING ISSUE BUT WE HAVE THE HOME DEPOT IN TOWN AND THERE'S A GIANT DETENTION POND RIGHT UP THERE. IT'S RIGHT AT MEAN AND MEAN AND MAYBE IT COSTS MORE TO PUT IT IN THE BACK BUT TO ME THAT IS A DEVELOPER ISSUE. FOR THE SCENIC LOOK AND ALL OF THAT.

>> THAT COULD EVEN BE A BE ADDRESSED THROUGH AN ALTERNATIVE TO.DESIGN STYLE. THERE'S DETENTION PONDS AND THEN THERE IS DETENTION PONDS. MAYBE THAT'S LOOKING AT, IF IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE FRONT, TOPOGRAPHY DICTATES THAT. IT HAS TO MEET A CERTAIN SET OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT RESULT IN A TRACK WHERE IT IS A MONETIZED BASICALLY.

>> IT HAS A NICE LAKE FOR THEIR DETENTION POND.

>> THAT MAKE SENSE. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? WE HAD A SECOND QUESTION TOO SO WE CAN GO TO THE SECOND QUESTION IF YOU WANT.

>> I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME UP WITH ENTRANCES. WHETHER, RIGHT IN, WRITE OUT, SPEEDS, LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE HAVE VERY LONG CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE IN ALIGNMENT SO WE DON'T HAVE FOR OUR MEETINGS ABOUT RIGHT AND OR WRITE OUT.

YES. YES. >> SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING TYPE MEASURES AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT?

>> ACCESS MANAGEMENT MAINLY BUT TRAFFIC IS DEFINITELY PART OF

THAT. >> YOU MENTIONED RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT, WHERE'S THAT POPPING OUT? THERE IS THAT

ISSUE EMERGING THE MOST? >> THE ONE WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HERE LATELY IS ED SCHMIDT. A LOT OF DEVELOPERS ARE TRYING TO GET ON THERE AND THEY ALL WANT THEIR OWN ACCESS POINT SO WE ARE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ACCESS POINT WAS GRANTED, WHAT THE SPEED IS RIGHT THERE, BUT WE DECIDED ON THE LAST ONE, AND IT IS A WHOLE --

>> OKAY SO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMENT ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE HE GETS INTO AN ENGINEERING STANDARD, SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING MANUAL ESPECIALLY AND ALSO PULLING AND MATT HAS PROBABLY BEEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE STUFF AND BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF IT. THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. WE LIKE TO THREE CAUSES, NOT SYMPTOMS.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG EVERYONE HAS BEEN AROUND HERE.

DON'T KNOW HOW LONG EVERYONE HAS BEEN AROUND HERE BUT COMING OUT OF WALGREENS TO ED SCHMIDT ON 79, THAT USED TO BE GO WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT, IT'S FINE, AND NOW WE HAVE

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THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON PNC AND SAYING OKAY WELL WE ARE CAN HAVE A SIGNAL HERE AT EMORY FARMS AND AT LIVE OAK WHERE THE TO MAKE RIGHT THERE AT AND SCHMIDT. HOW CLOSE IS YOUR ENTRANCE TO THAT? I KNOW IT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT BUILT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

>> SURE. >> IS NOT WEIRD FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT AS MUCH, IS THAT WEIRD FOR PNC TO HAVE THAT MUCH INVOLVEMENT? MY EXPERIENCE IS TYPICALLY ACCESS, YOU GO TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT SAID, IF YOU GET STUCK ON SOMETHING MAYBE HE GETS OVERWRITTEN AT CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW.

>> THOSE THINGS ARE TYPICALLY DRIVEN BY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, TECHNICAL STANDARDS, IT FALLS INTO THE DOMAIN OF THE CITY ENGINEER. WORKING FROM A CRITERIA MANUAL, ONE OF YOUR CHALLENGES HAS BEEN NOT HAVING A CRITERIA MANUAL SPECIFIC TO HUTTO WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE.

>> AND LACK OF AN ENGINEERING STAFF THAT COULD EVEN -- WE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T BEING LOOKED AT. I THINK THAT WILL GO AWAY NATURALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO STAFF AT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE MANUAL FOR

THEM TO USE. >> WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SEEM LIKE A LITTLE ABNORMAL OUT OF COMMISSION IT'S USUALLY SYMPTOMATIC OF SOMETHING ELSE. IN THAT CASE IT'S PROBABLY SENT MEDICAL MAYBE NOT HAVING A LOT OF STAFF IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST AND NOT HAVING SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO HUTTO. TALKING WITH MATT, WE COULD PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHAT IS PROMPTING THIS TO POP UP? IDEALLY A TECHNICAL ITEM LIKE THAT WOULD NOT -- IF IT IS --

>> TYPICALLY IT IS FOR THE USE, THE USE DESIGN PART OF IT, NOT NECESSARILY WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE LAID OR WHERE ACCESS COMES FROM, THAT IS ALL FROM THE CITY AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO PMC I WOULD EXPECT MOST OF THAT TO GET ADDRESSED. IF IT WORKED, IT WENT FORWARD. IF IT DIDN'T WORK -- LIKE I SAID, THE RARE INSTANCE WHERE YOU JUST CAN'T GET THROUGH STAFF, I'VE SEEN IT GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AS, HEY, THIS ISN'T AS BIG OF AN ISSUE BUT MOST TIMES CITY COUNCIL IS LIKE STAFF SAYS.

THAT IS NOT OUR EXPERTISE. >> USUALLY, UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE LIKE PNC IS ASKING FOR AN AFFIRMATION THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT. THAT CAN ALSO BE DIFFICULT IF YOU HAVE A POP PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE MEETING AND THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. I KNOW FROM YOU ALL THAT CAN FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PRESSURE. SO THAT COULD JUST BE COMMUNICATING, WELL, WHAT DOES THE ENGINEERING STANDARD DO THAT COULD HELP THAT?

>> AND ONE THAT WE -- ONE HE LOOKED AT, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, WAS HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS DOES THIS PLOT OF LAND ACTUALLY NEED EMPTYING OUT ON TO ED SCHMIDT WHEN WE KNOW THE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT HERE AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WIDENING GOING ON IN THIS KIND OF THING AND THEY ARE PLANNING, AS FAR AS THE PLANNING GOES, WE ARE LOOKING AT, YEAH, THIS ISN'T ALWAYS GOING TO BE A TWO LANE ROAD WITH A MIDDLE TURN LANE. IT IS GOING TO BE BIGGER, YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT. THIS IS YOUR LAND.

>> SURE. IF YOU DON'T PLAN FOR THAT -- WE DON'T WANT IT COMING BACK 510 YEARS FROM NOW SAYING HEY, YOU GUYS DIDN'T TELL US YOU ARE GOING TO PUT AN INTERSECTION THERE.

>> WE WILL LET THEM KNOW THE FUTURE PLAN IS AND WE WILL LET

THEM BUILD TO THAT. >> WHAT YOU ARE KIND OF DESCRIBING IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO DESIGN THEMSELVES SO THAT THEY ARE GETTING TO CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S A LOT OF TOOLS OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP PUSH FOR THAT SOLUTION. MAKE SENSE?

>> WE HAD THE ONE. IT WAS 800 FEET. OF FRONTAGE ON ED SMITH AND THEY HAD TO DRIVEWAYS. GUYS ALL OF THAT GREAT IT'S

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>> TAKE YOUR WALGREENS, THAT WAS PLANNED CORRECTLY WITH THE WAY PEOPLE LOOKED AT ACCESS MANAGEMENT BACK 15 YEARS AGO.

SO IF YOU TELL PEOPLE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE ONLY PROBLEM YOU RUN INTO IS IN 10 YEARS WHEN THE CITY FINALLY GOES AROUND TO BUILDING IT, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU TOLD PEOPLE AND THEY BUILT IT ALL FOR ONE THING BUT YOU HAVE NEW ENGINEERS AND STAFF AND A NEW ROUNDABOUTS ARE ALL THE RAGE.

THAT WAS THE THING 20 YEARS AGO. IN 20 YEARS THEY WILL BE PICKING UP BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER NEW THING. SO AGAIN YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH EVERYTHING YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE NOT MAKING PEOPLE GO AND DO THINGS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE OUR MINDS IN 10 YEARS AND THEN WHEN WE DO, THESE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO START -- YOU SEE IT NOW, YOU HAVE BUSINESSES START FAILING BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT, MANY OF THEM WERE BUILT ON ACCESS, THE ABILITY TO GET IT. SO I THINK AGAIN THAT SHOULD BE MORE OF A CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND A WHOLE LOT OF THAT SHOULD BE COMING FROM US BECAUSE WE ARE NOW MAKING DECISIONS THAT NONE OF US HERE, MAYBE ONE PERSON, YOU HAVE SOME EXPANSIVENESS, RIGHT? SO MOST OF US, THE VAST MAJORITY DO NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE.

>> THE TYPICAL COUNCIL MEMBER OR TYPICAL COMMISSIONER.

>> IT HAS BEEN ARTICULATED. >> YES. ALL RIGHT. THINKING ABOUT YOUR ROLE ON DEVELOPMENT CASES THAT COME BEFORE YOU, WHAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF IT? WHAT IS MAKING YOUR JOB

HARD RELATED TO THE CODE? >> FOR ME THAT IS EASY, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC. THEY WILL COME IN AND SAY I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS NOTHING GOING TO BE BUILT IN THIS OPEN FIELD. OKAY, THAT'S NOT TRUE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN ZONED THIS WAY FOR 20 YEARS. BUT HOW DO YOU EDUCATE THEM PRIOR TO THEM SHOWING UP TO A MEETING AND BEING ALL KINDS OF IRATE THAT THE CITY IS SCREWING THEM OVER OR, YOU KNOW. DOING WHATEVER. IT'S LIKE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO HEAD THAT OFF AT THE PASS. IT'S JUST HERE IT IS, DEAL WITH IT AND IT HAPPENS AT COUNSEL, PNC, EVERYWHERE. YOU KNOW. YOU ARE TRYING TO DECREASE MY HOME VALUE OR WHATEVER IT IS AND IS JUST LIKE WE DIDN'T EVEN SEE THIS ONE COMING. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> I THINK TO DOVETAIL THAT, THE OTHER ONE COMES IN DEALING WITH COUNSEL. YOU HAVE LOTS OF LAND THAT IS IN THE TJ. AND SO COUNTY HAS NO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT EITHER WAY, EITHER WE GET TAX REVENUE OR WE GET SOME SAY OR IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AND WE HAVE NO SAY AT ALL AND IT'S STILL GOING TO GET BUILT AND WE GET NO TAX REVENUE. THEY LIKE WHY DID YOU LET THAT COME IN? I WAS GOING TO GET BUILT REGARDLESS, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF, IT'S JUST HOW TO! HOW IT'S GOING TO GET

BUILT. >> WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH LIKE A ZONING ISSUE, WHAT IS MAKING IT HARD FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION, YAY OR NAY ON SOMETHING?

>> FUTURE LAND USE MAP, I THINK WE DID THAT AND THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE HAD THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DONE I WOULD AGREE THAT WAS A PROBLEM. NOW EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ZONED, THEY WANT TO COME IN FOR VOLUNTEERING, SAY OKAY, IT MEETS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. STUCK MY BIGGEST HEADACHE IS ONE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY ARE PLANING, THIS WORLD IS COMING AND THEY WANT TO START BUILDING NOW BEFORE THE ROAD IS BUILT AND SO YOU'RE GETTING THAT EFFORT EXTRA TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE ROAD IS BEING POSTPONED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT NOW THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN BUILT AND SO YOU'VE GOT THIS BOTTLENECKING EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN FASTER THAN THE ROADS ARE BEING BUILT.

SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH DEVELOPERS

FOR THAT. >> FEELING LIKE YOU ARE APPROVING SOMETHING UP TO STANDARD.

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>> MAYBE. STUCK TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF EDUCATION, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE PUBLIC BUT FOR OURSELVES, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A NEWER THING AND IT'S COMING TO COUNSEL PRETTY FREQUENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COMES TO Y'ALL AS WELL, TO DEVELOPMENTS BUT JUST EDUCATING US ON WHAT IT IS -- BECAUSE THERE CAN BE SOME, I GUESS, MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEM CHOOSING THAT KIND OF FINANCING METHOD AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE CALLING IT AN EXTRA TAX, WHATEVER, IT IS AN ASSESSMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE ARE JUST EDUCATING ON, IT IS, IT IS A COMPLICATED WAY OF DOING A DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE FINANCING MECHANISMS THAT THEY USE. IT'S A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OR EVEN DIVING IN SO YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION SO IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXTRAVAGANT AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO TAX THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, RIGHT? A BUNCH OF MISINFORMATION, RIGHT? THAT IS DEFINITELY A CHALLENGE FOR ME AS SOMEONE, I STILL TRY TO GET PIECES OF INFORMATION ON THINGS AS I CAN AND SOMETIMES I LIKE WAIT, WHAT? HOW IS THE CITY INVOLVED WITH THIS BECAUSE THERE IS FINANCING AND THE CITY HOLDS MONEY.

>> OKAY. WHAT ELSE IS MAKING IT HARD.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THE EDUCATION BUT I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR FOR, SUPS, IF IT'S AN ISSUE, WE CAN ASK FOR EXTRA THINGS TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT PEOPLE SAY WE CAN'T DICTATE CERTAIN THINGS BUT YOU CAN. OR IF YOU ARE DOING A PUD YOU CAN DICTATE BUILDING MATERIALS BUT WHEN YOU DO A PUD AND YOU CAN DICTATE THE COLOR OF THE SHINGLES ON THE ROOF, YOU CAN DO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, AS A GOVERNING BODY, APPROVE ANY OF THE THINGS THEY WANT. YOU CAN HAVE INPUT. SOMETIMES WE SEEM TO BE SHY OR UNSURE IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND I THINK THOSE ARE TOOLS THAT DEVELOPERS USED TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO USE THE SAME TOOLS BACK TO WHERE -- I VERY RARELY WILL VOTE FOR ANYTHING, IT'S MY PERSONALITY AND IF YOU ARE GETTING SOMETHING, AND COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO SOME PEOPLE AND THE CITY, HOW DO WE SET THAT? IT COULD BE EXTRA ARCHITECTURE, MORE TREES ON THE LINE. ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PUSH LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE DICTATING THINGS BECAUSE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. MY OPINION IS THEY DO. LIKE WE HAVE THIS HOTEL ZONED BUT THEY COULDN'T GO MORE THAN THREE STORIES. HE WANTED TO GO FOR. HUGE ARGUMENT IN TERMS OF WE ARE MAKING A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS RIGHTS NOT DO CERTAIN THINGS AND PEOPLE BEHIND, IT IS COMMERCIAL BUILDING THREE STORIES. YOU WANT TO COME AND BUILD FOUR WHICH MEANS I GET MY INPUT, ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU GIVE THEIR INPUT AND THEY DON'T WANT WINDOW SPACING. TO ME, MY DIFFICULT THING IS I AM REALLY TAKE INTO PROPERTY RIGHTS BUT IF THE RIGHT OF YOUR PROPERTY, IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR, I THINK I WILL SHOOT OFF FIREWORKS BUT IF YOU'RE FIREWORKS OR BOTHERING EVERYONE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO SAY I'VE ONLY DO IT ON CERTAIN HOLIDAYS OR HAVING A PARTY. YOU TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND OUR JOB THROUGH THE PNC AND THE COUNCIL IS TO ENSURE THAT THINGS ARE PUT IN WRITING TO MAKE SURE THAT BUT EVERYBODY SAYS VERBALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS CODIFIED IN SOME MANNER SO WE DON'T HAVE AS

MANY ISSUES. >> IT KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DESCRIBING SOME OF THE THRESHOLD CRITERIA FOR PUDS.

THE THRESHOLD CRITERIA FOR SUPS AND MAYBE SOME BASICALLY STANDARD PRACTICES, MAYBE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN'T ADJUST THROUGH THOSE AND THAT KIND OF THING TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING GOING THROUGH THAT YOU'RE GETTING ENHANCEMENTS WITH THE ASK, IS THAT PREMATURE?

>> YEAH, IF YOU'RE DOING A DRIVE THROUGH AND CARWASH AND ONE OF THE HOME DEPOT OUTLETS, NOT A BIG DEAL. IT COMPLICATES YOUR CODE BUT TO ME, THAT WOULD BE AN EASY SUP BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT BY RESIDENTIAL, THAT CHANGES THINGS.

>> YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE BACKINGS ARE RELATIVE TO

THE ELSE'S >> MAYBE IT'S THAT OR MAYBE

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SET UP. >> IT TRIGGERS NO MATTER WHAT.

WE EITHER GIVE EVERYBODY THE RIGHT TO BUILD US UP NEIGHBORHOODS BUT IF YOU TRY TO FIX THAT AND YOU HAVE A COAT THAT IS SO COMPLEX THAT DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THROUGH WHATEVER LOOPHOLE THEY CAN

FIND. >> MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE TRIGGERED ONLY WHEN ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND

THINGS LIKE THAT. >> OR -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE CARWASH IN THE NEXT OFFICE BUILDING THE ZONING, C2 OR C3.

>> IT MAKES SENSE. >> IT'S PROBABLY AN INSTANCE

WHERE I WOULD CARE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WHAT ELSE. >> I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES I'VE RUN INTO A BIT IS OLD APPROVALS. AND THIS, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE IN 2002, I DIDN'T EVEN LIVE HERE AT THAT TIME. BUT WE GOT TO HONOR THAT AGREEMENT AND THAT AGREEMENT IS NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE TODAY.

AND LEGALLY WE CAN'T PUSH THEM TO ADOPT THESE STANDARDS. THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. AND WE JUST RUN INTO THAT, IT IS LESS AND LESS BUT WE STILL COME ACROSS IT FROM TIME TO TIME.

>> IT'S LIKE WITH THE TOWNHOMES RIGHT NOW. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A STORAGE AREA WITH HOUSES AGAINST THE

RAILROADS. >> AND THEY GET TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT FROM 2002. ALL RIGHT.

WELL -- THAT'S AWFUL. >> THAT'S WHERE I GO TO EDUCATION BECAUSE WE CAN SET SUPS FOR SPECIFIC USES OR SPECIFIC THINGS TO THEN WE COULD NEVER HAVE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS WE ARE DOING TODAY THAT 15 YEARS FROM NOW PEOPLE WOULD BE CRITICAL OF US GOING WHY DID YOU GUYS ALLOW ALL THIS STUFF WHEREAS SOMETIMES THE SUP ROUTE IS A REALLY GOOD MEASURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR SUP IS ONLY FOR THIS EXACT CERTAIN USE. YOU ARE NOT BUILDING WHAT YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD.

>> I AM. THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL GET AS MUCH AS THEY CAN TO THEN GET US, LIKE YOU SAID IN 10 OR 15 YEARS, HE HAD NO IDEA THERE WAS GOING TO BE A GUN RANGE NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWED.

>> THAT'S ALSO WHAT YOU MIGHT BE DESCRIBING HIS SOME OF THESE OLD APPROVALS, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, YOU MIGHT LIKE IT IF THERE WAS A PATH THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO LEAVE THEIR OLD APPROVAL AND COME IN UNDER CURRENT CODE IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. IN AN IDEAL WORLD. RIGHT. SOMETHING --

>> IS THERE NO WAY TO DO A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS OR SOMETHING ON AN APPROVAL THAT IS THAT OLD?

>> GENERALLY, NO. THERE ARE EXPIRATIONS, THERE IS NONCONFORMITY LANGUAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, ONCE IT HAS SAT FOR LONG ENOUGH, VACANT, IT HITS A RESET BUTTON. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE OLDER AGREEMENTS, YOU GENERALLY MARRIED TO THEM UNTIL THE PARTIES WITH INTEREST IN THAT AGREEMENT AGREE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER APPROVE THOSE AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THEY BECOME

MARKETABLE. >> YOU CAN'T RETROACTIVELY CHANGE THEM. YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD TO SEE IF THEY CAN

EXPIRE OR SOMETHING. >> THIS IS A -- OKAY.

>> THAT HAPPENS TO US AND SOMETIMES HAVE TO PAY THIS PERSON $5 MILLION AND AN EVEN WORSE SURPRISE.

>> ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING TO MIND FOR YOUR EXPERIENCES UP ON THE DAIS? NO? WE GO ON TO QUESTION THREE.

THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS YOU'VE SEEN COME FORWARD, WHAT SPECIFIC CODE RELATED ISSUES HAVE YOU HEARD COME FROM DEVELOPERS THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC?

>> SORRY I AM DOMINATING GUYS. PARKING. WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY SAID HEY, CAN WE PUT PARKING UNDERNEATH THESE

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>> IT SHOULD BE IN THE CODE AS TO WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT OR

NOT. >> WE HAVE THE REQUIRED PARKING AND THEN WE HAVE THE OVERHEAD LINES.

>> WAS ON FOR BEHAVING WITH IT? I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WE CAN'T HAVE REQUIRED PARKING UNDERNEATH THE POWERLINES WE CAN HAVE NONREQUIRED PARKING UNDER THE POWERLINES. STUFF IT'S ACTUALLY AN ENCORE

REQUIREMENT. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. GOOD CAVEAT.

BUT THAT, THAT BE SOMETHING, IN MY OPINION, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AND WE WRITE THE CODE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO THAT'S WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AROUND ON THE STUFF. WE CAN TELL THE DEVELOPER RIGHT OUT THE GATE, YOU WILL HAVE PARKING SPOTS THERE OR NOT.

>> THE EASEMENT, ENCORE HAS EASEMENT RATES. CITY REALLY CAN'T GET IN THERE AND DICTATE ANYTHING. IF THE CITY SAYS FOR INSTANCE YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING SPOTS. PUTTING 50 SYMBOLS. THERE'S A BIG CITY, I FIND IT IT'S WEIRD. THEY TRIED TO DO THE SAME BOX EVERYWHERE AND IN SOME CITIES YOU ARE UNDER PARKED, SUBSIDIES WERE OVER PARKED IN THE ARBITRARY THING TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS OVER HERE, LIKE A DRYCLEANERS FOR DICTATING BECAUSE YOUNG 4000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING UNIT SPOTS. IT SHOULD BE FOR THE PERSON WHO PUTS THE MONEY IN THE DAVE PARKER TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE IN THE MARKET FIGURES THAT OUT WHEREAS IN THE CITIES GET THERE INDUSTRIAL.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW -- THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING MINNECENTRIC, YES THERE IS A DRYCLEANERS IN THERE TODAY, YOU KNOW AND MAYBE THE ONLY NEED THREE BUT IF YOU REQUIRE THE MINIMUM OF EIGHT FOR THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF THAT CENTER AND YOU HAVE SHOEHORNED FOREVER WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS THE COULD BE THERE BECAUSE HE TRIED TO GO BACK AND TRY TO FIX IT LATER AND IT IS A BIG PROBLEM.

>> YOU SEE THAT, IF YOU ARE PUTTING $10 MILLION INTO A STRIP CENTER YOU ARE PUTTING 10 MILLION IN TO GET AS MANY BRADY USES AS YOU CAN. I PROMISE HIS GOVERNMENT IS TELLING YOU TO PUT PARKING SPOTS IN AND MAYBE YOU NEED 100 AND THEY WON'T LET YOU DO AND YOU REALLY NEED HUNDRED WERE THERE TELLING IT OVER PARKED SOMETHING WHEN, IF THEY UNDER PURKETT, THEY HAVE LESS PERFORMING BUSINESSES. WE SEE THIS ALL AROUND, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THIS MAJOR CITY IN OUR METRO AREA TO SEE THEM REQUIRING, THAT IS THE SMARTEST THING I'VE SEEN IN A WHILE CONSIDER TELLING THE THEATER COMPANY PARKING SPOTS THERE

ARE, NO MANY STAFF. >> ALMOST 85, 95% BUILT OUT AND AT THAT POINT IF SOMETHING IS COMING AND IT'S GOING TO BE DESTROYING SOMETHING NO MATTER WHAT THE USES. WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION WHEN PARKING IS AN ISSUE.

>> THE PARKING ISSUES OUTSIDE OF THE STREET.

>> I THINK IT'S A VERY BIG ISSUE AT THE STRIP CENTER RIGHT OVER BY WHERE THERE'S A MEXICAN RESTAURANT WHERE YOU CAN EAT. I WAS SAYING NAMES BECAUSE WE ARE IN PUBLIC. THAT

WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE. >> THAT IS ON THEM.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE PUBLIC SO WE ARE GOING TO LET A DEVELOPER SCREWUP AND NOT BE A PLACE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO GO. WE HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERPERFORMING THING THAT CAN'T BE FIXED VERY WELL. AND IF THEY REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM, MAKE, THAT'S WHEN THEY CAN COME IN AND GO FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SAY WE HAVE THIS NEW CONCEPT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A TEST AND IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE X NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, WE CAN HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT. OR IF YOU LET US HAVE MORE, WE CAN HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO I THINK WE HAVE

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>> ONE MORE COMMENT. HE SAID WE WANT TO STOP THE DEVELOPER FROM SCREWING UP, RIGHT? ON THE PARKING DEAL? IS WHAT HE SAID?

>> I'M SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM STANDARD.

>> YOU'RE ASKING SEVEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T DEVELOP FOR A LIVING

-- >> NO, I'M NOT GOING TO WRITE THAT. I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR ENGINEERING STAFF DO THAT.

>> THAT'S JUST AS BAD BECAUSE WE ARE STILL APPROVING THE UDC.

LICENSED BY THE STATE OF ENGINEER.

>> THEY DESIGN THEM TO DIFFERENT USES. WHAT I AM GETTING AT IS THIS IS MY WHOLE PROBLEM THAT I FEAR IN UTC IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BUILD HOTELS TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO BUILD THEM. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BUILD -- WHAT DO THEY CALL THE BUILDING STUFF ON THE STREET?

>> YOUR BUILD TO LINE? >> YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN 10 FEET. YOUR TRANSIT CORRIDOR IS IN AUSTIN. EVERY BUILDING HAS TO BE BUILT WITHIN LIKE 20 FEET OF THE ROAD. BUT IT'S BUREAUCRATS TELLING BUSINESSES THIS IS HOW YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND THAT IS THE ONE THING I AM MOST NERVOUS ABOUT THIS IS WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ON, NO EXPERIENCE, WE ARE DOING THINGS TO PROTECT , WE ARE MAKING THE BUSINESS GROUP AND WHEN WE MAKE THEM SCRUB? JUST SAY WELL SORRY, WE WILL CHANGE THAT CODE

BUT GET THAT BUILT. >> SO MAYBE THAT WAS NOT THE BEST EXAMPLE OF A■ DEVELOPER COMING TO US FOR THE CODE ISSUE SINCE IT WASN'T OUR CODE. BUT I WAS TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT HAVE DEVELOPERS COME TO US WITH.

ANOTHER ONE THEY HAVE COME TO US WITH IS, OBVIOUSLY THE TREES, THE VEGETATION, THAT ONE, THEY COME TO US QUITE

FREQUENTLY. >> THE BIG ONE IS GOING TO SAY WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON HIS SIDEWALK, WE WANT THAT VERY STRINGENT. WE HAVE UPDATED OUR CODE BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR THE BUILDING STANDARD IN OUR SIDEWALKS. AND ALSO WE'VE HAD ISSUES WHERE YOU WANT THE SIDEWALK FOR WALK ABILITY AND RESIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED TO CONNECT ALL DIFFERENT SIDES, THEY DIDN'T BUILD IT TO THE EDGE, HOW DO YOU GO BACK? YOU HAVE TO GO PAY FOR IT FROM ALL THE OTHER TAXPAYERS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FORCE THE DEVELOPER TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE WALK ABILITY UNLESS THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL PART BUT THERE SHOULD BE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE WHOLE EXTERIOR.

GOING ON A BIKE, ONE THING THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT I DON'T KNOW IF CHARGING STATIONS NEEDS TO START BEING LOOKED AT IN THE CITY. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE MAJOR CAR MANUFACTURER THAT DOES ELECTRIC VEHICLES. MAKING PARTS TO SUPPLY THAT IN THIS TOWN. BESIDES H-E-B, IS THERE ANYONE

ELSE YOU CAN CHARGE? >> WALGREENS IN THE CITY OF

OHIO. >> AT ANOTHER PRIVATE THING.

>> IF IT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA TO DO PARKING AND HAVE CHARGING

STATIONS -- >> WHY DO WE HAVE A HANDICAP

REQUIREMENT? >> THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THAT'S A COMPLETELY --

>> I'M NOT COMPARING IT, I'M SAYING THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SAY IT MAKES SENSE TO ALLOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE ACCESS, IF ALSO YOU DON'T WANT CARS DYING AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO CHARGE THEM ANYWHERE IN TOWN.

>> IT MAY BE THE BETAMAX. SO AGAIN WE ARE OUT THERE AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO START DICTATING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE TWO TO $300,000, NO ONE'S FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE MONEY ON THEM YET.

SO THEY ARE NOT PROFITABLE AND THERE ARE CITIES OUT THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN THAT REQUIRE YOU TO PUT THESE IN AND ALL YOU'RE DOING IS TAXING YOUR PEOPLE BECAUSE A BUSINESS WILL PUT IN HALF $1 MILLION AND THEY WILL CHARGE HIGHER PRICES AND PAY LOWER WAGES TO EMPLOYEES IN AN EFFORT -- BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. MARKET IS GOING TO DICTATE WAGES, NOT WHAT INDIVIDUALLY IS ON THE BUILDING AND WALGREENS IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR PRICE AT THE STORE VERSUS THEIR WHOLE NATIONAL CHAIN. MAYBE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS IS NOT PERSONAL, ACADEMY IS NOT GOING WE ARE RAISING OUR PRICE BY AN EXTRA 10 BUCKS AT THE STORE ONLY. AND WE WILL PLAY OUR EMPLOYEES AT THIS ACADEMY STORE ABOUT 50 LESS THAT'S NOT HOW

THAT WORKS. >> THE DEVELOPER -- THE

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>> I KNOW. >> I UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT SPECIFIC CODE RELATED ISSUES OR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS BRINGING TO US? AND I SAID THE PARKING AND I SAID THE LIGHTING, THE TREES, I THINK WE HAVE DEALT

WITH FENCES AND SETBACKS. >> COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TYPE

OF FENCE? >> TYPE, HEIGHT, CAN WE GO EIGHT FEET, CAN WE GO SIX FEET? WHAT'S THE DEAL? HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT SIDEWALKS. THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SIDEWALKS AS FAR AS CONDUCTIVITY BUT THESE ARE USUALLY NEGOTIATED OUT. IT'S NOT A CODE ISSUE BECAUSE THE CODE IS PRETTY CLEAR, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT ASIDE BUT THERE.

>> THEY ARE MORE SIDEWALK ISSUES BECAUSE WERE STARTING TO GET A LOT OF THOSE LIVE HERE PROCURE DEVELOPMENTS AND THOSE ARE WHERE SIDEWALK ISSUES ARE COMING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE. IT'S ALL A PART OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.

>> THEY WILL PUT SIDEWALKS ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PROPERTY BUT THEY WILL CONNECT INTERNALLY.

>> LIKE YES, YOU SHOULD DO THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN ON PNC IN THE LAST SIX YEARS.

>> OKAY. >> TO YOUR POINT WE ARE NOT STOPPING PEOPLE FROM PUTTING IN CERTAIN THINGS.

>> IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION. EITHER WE ARE HAVING TO DO A AMENDMENT OR A RECOMMENDATION BUT THAT VERBIAGE IN THERE, DEVELOPERS USUALLY TOTALLY FINE WITH IT BUT IT SHOULD BE -- WE'VE DONE A BUNCH OF UDC CHANGES WITH THE SIDEWALKS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS SO IT'S GETTING -- BUT THE VERBIAGE WAS NOT THERE AND IT IS SLOWLY GETTING BETTER.

>> I KNOW CANCEL DATE SEE THE LIGHT TIMING FOR EXAMPLE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ON ED SCHMIDT. YOU GUYS SAW THAT AS A PNC CONDITION RECOMMENDATION. SO THESE THINGS ARE COMING UP, THE DEVELOPERS ARE SEEING AND THEY ARE SAYING HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A CONFLICT BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, AT PNC, AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, WE ARE ADDRESSING. OR AT

LEAST TRYING TO ADDRESS. >> WE DON'T WANT TO PLANT ANY TREES AND WE'VE GOT TO PLANT LIKE 500 SO MAYBE YOU COULD PLANT LIKE 50, YOU HAD SOME GLITCHES IN, DO SOMETHING TO

GET MORE AROUND. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. I WILL ASK YOU ALL A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THIS QUESTION. BECAUSE THIS IS ALL BEEN LIKE WHAT'S NOT WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING.

WHAT IS A PROJECT YOU ALL CAN POINT TO IN HUTTO WHERE YOU ARE LIKE THAT WENT WELL , THAT HAD GOOD RESULTS THAT HAVE MAYBE EVEN SURPRISED YOU? OPTIMISTIC AND HAPPY.

>> ASHLEY AND HER CREW, SIX MONTHS. STREAMLINED, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T KNOW THE BACK-AND-FORTH OF WHAT Y'ALL HAD WITH THEM. THERE WAS NEVER --

>> I DON'T THINK SHE WOULD SAY THAT.

>> FOR US I THINK IT'S -- >> SHE JUMPED THROUGH MANY, MANY, MANY HOOPS. THAT WAS A SUCCESS STORY I THINK. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TRANSFORMER HAVING TO BE POLE MOUNTED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET A GROUND-BASED ONE IN , HOOPS WERE JUMPED THROUGH AND MAGIC HAPPENED AND NOW THERE IS A GROUND-BASED TRANSFORMER TO PROVIDE POWER. AND IT'S LIKE OH, THIS IS GREAT, THIS IS PERFECT. BUT I WOULD SAY ACADEMY, ACADEMY AND EVIL. THEY HAVE NOT GONE VERTICAL BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN EVO THAT I THINK IS A SUCCESS STORY. WE LOOK AT THE CODE AND GO YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND DUE COUNSEL THAT THEY APPROVE IT. AND COUNSEL DID. AND IT WAS JUST LIKE THIS IS GREAT. YOU KNOW? WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS JEWEL ATTRACTING PEOPLE OFF OF 130 AND 79 LIKE LET'S GO OVER THERE. THAT'S A

WIN. >> OKAY.

>> I CASE KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT THING, MAYBE UDC COULD

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RIGHT? >> SHE IS SMILING AND NODDING

WHEN HE SAID THAT. >> THE THING THAT KEPT ACADEMY IS IT KEPT SAYING PENCILS DOWN UNLESS YOU GUYS DO THIS. WE ARE PULLING OUT OF YOU GUYS DON'T DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THEY SAID THAT TO ME THAT'S NOT SUCCESS.

EITHER A MAJOR ISSUE IN OUR CODE OR MAJOR ISSUE IN OUR DEVELOPER. TO ME, SUCCESS WOULD BE SOMEWHAT IN A WAY, HOME DEPOT AND THE DETECTION RUN, THEN NEVER COME TO US FOR ANYTHING, IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED OUT OVER 10 OR 15 YEARS, A MIX OF BUSINESSES, THE MORE SUCCESSFUL IT IS IT DOES CREATE TRAFFIC ISSUES LATER ON BUT EVERY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN'T BUILD A FOUR-LANE ROAD FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO WORD IT BUT TO ME, SOME OF THE OLDER ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN THE ONES THAT HAVE DONE THE BEST BECAUSE THEY DON'T BUT UP AGAINST SOME OF OUR ISSUES. I'VE HEARD STORIES THAT HDD COULD HAVE BEEN IN HUTTO BUT THEY HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE SIGN OR ZONING OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF KNOCKING THREE OF THEM DOWN. AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF BIG SUCCESSES. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING REALLY GREAT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MAJOR CHANGES TO COME UP WITH

>> ANY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT YOU CAN THINK OF, THE PROCESS ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE LIKE YES, WELL DONE. MARK.PLEASE.

>> I MENTIONED SOMETHING LAST MEETING OR THE MEETING BEFORE, THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEIR MAIN ROADS ARE WIDER AND I NOTICED A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS, ALL THE ROADS ARE REALLY SMALL, EVEN THE MAIN ROADS AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET BACK TO THAT WIDER MAIN ROADS, EMORY FARMS HAS THE WIDER MAIN ROAD, CIDER STATE HAS THE WIDER MAIN ROAD. THE STROLL OFF OF GREAT WESTERN IS WIDER AND JUST THAT -- I THINK THAT JUST MAKES

IT EASIER FOR CONNECTIVITY. >> YOU DO SEE THERE WERE SOME NARROW ONES. YOU GOT A STREET SWEEPER BUT THERE ARE NO CURVES. THE ONLY THING I BROUGHT UP THAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN WAS LIGHTER DRIVEWAYS AND LONGER DRIVEWAYS. I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING IN THE STREET BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EXPLORER THAT THE BACK BUMPER WAS ALMOST TOUCHING GARAGE DOOR IN THE FRONT BUMPER WAS UP ON THE CURB. IF YOU CAN ONLY FIT A FORD EXPLORER THERE AND EVERYONE IS DRIVING A TRUCK AND PARKING ON STREETS, PARKING ON STREETS AND NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE IT EVEN WIDER, AT ONE POINT WE WILL HAVE TO RESURFACE OVER STREETS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO IT. BUT THE DRIVEWAYS ARE SO NARROW TO I SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ADDING ON, LIKE A ONE FOOT EDITION EVERYWHERE. MOST OF OUR SITES, THERE'S A PREVIOUS REQUIREMENT AND EVERYBODY IS JUST MEETING. SO IT IS ACTUALLY CAUSING MAYBE SOME WOULD SAY A FLOODING ISSUE. SOMETHING IS DESIGNED JUST RIGHT WITH TWO FEET OF NON-PERVIOUS PAYMENT WHICH OVER THOUSAND HOMES -- BUT IF WE JUST REQUIRE A WIDER DRIVEWAY REQUIRE A -- I'M NOT IN THERE SAYING YOU NEED TO HAVE A 45 FOOT LONG OR 55 FOOT LONG, IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT YOU HAVE SUCH AND SUCH WIDER DRIVEWAY FOR IT ONLY FITS ON A 55 OR 50. AND THEN YOU GOT A BETTER PROJECT ALONG YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE DESIGNED BETTER IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.

>> OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. >> ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT YET IS THE TRAIN. I KNOW THIS IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION IN THE RIGHT SPOT BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY POSITIVE SO I

APOLOGIZE. >> TO.

>> SORRY. OKAY, THAT WILL WORK. SO THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON BUT THERE'S HOMES THAT BUT UP RIGHT TO THE TRAIN AND I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A DAYCARE AGAINST THE TRAIN EITHER, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT. --

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>> TRYING TO TRANSITION TO DISCUSSION. WHAT DO WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY COVERED YET DOING DRAFTING CODE

AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO. >> I DON'T KNOW, THIS MAY BE

TOO SPECIFIC. >> PROBABLY NOT.

>> ROPES, OBVIOUSLY. GROUPS ARE AN ISSUE, WE NEED ARCHITECTURAL SINK SHINGLES OR BETTER OR THE TILES BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S ROOF IN HUTTO HAS BEEN REPLACED OR IT'S ABOUT TO BE. IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS, THE QUALITY IS NOT THERE. THE WORK, THE WORKMANSHIP ON SOME OF THESE HOMES. IT'S LIKE THEY'RE MINIMUM. WITH THE WIND AND CONDITIONS WE LIVE WITH CENTRAL TO TEXAS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE CRAZY WEATHER. WIND GUSTS CAN BE 60 MILES PER HOUR, THAT SORT OF THING. THE ROOFS JUST CAN'T HANDLE IT SO WE NEED TO BE FORWARD-LOOKING SO THAT THE HOMEOWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO THEN SHOW A LOT MORE CASH. THAT'S WHY INTEREST RATES ARE CONTINUALLY GOING UP BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A CLAIM ON THE ROOF. IS JUST GOING INTO OTHER BUSINESS, AS IT IMPACTS YOU INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL AND IF Y'ALL ALL GET IN NEW ROOF, IMPACTS OR POLICIES. EVERYBODY IS GOING UP AND UP. IF WE HAD SOMEWHAT OF QUALITY AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR ROOFING THAT

WOULD BE GREAT. >> AND FENCING.

>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER COLE ARE AND NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE ARE WANTING BOTH NOW AND MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK WE GET INTO THIS MINDSET WHERE IT'S NOT CORRECT RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW WHEN REALLY WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? NOT RIGHT NOW. NOT RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY DONE. BEING INTENTIONAL WITH WHAT WE ARE WANTING IN THE SHORT-TERM BUT MORE SO IN THE LONG TERM I THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE MOST PERTINENT WHEN DEVELOPING.

TO MIND? >> SIDEWALKS ON THE EAST SIDE OF AT SCHMIDT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79, THERE ARE NONE. WE'VE GOT THESE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WALKING AND THEY CROSS OVER THERE AND THEY HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE GRASS AND EVERYTHING TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. NO SIDEWALKS.

>> OKAY. >> THAT HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR

SCREEN RECENTLY. SO YEAH. >> YEAH. IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SIDEWALKS, LET'S TALK ABOUT 1660 NORTH AND WE NEED EMINENT DOMAIN OR DICTATE OR SOMETHING THREE FEET FROM THE CURB, THIS IS A SIDEWALK. BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY A SAFETY ISSUE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BIKERS GOING UP AND DOWN,

1660 NORTH. >> AT LEAST IN THE DEVELOPED PARTS THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR WAS SAYING ABOUT HAVING BOUNDARIES ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE SHOULD BE MORE

SIDEWALKS THERE ALREADY. >> I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING DEVELOP AND CODE ISSUES. THESE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T

HAVE -- >> THEN WE SAID -- HEY, ONE SIDEWALK AND ONE SIDE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ONE AND NOW WE SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM ON BOTH SIDES. AS YOU SEE EVERYTHING DEVELOP -- THE BANK WILL INHABIT RIGHT NOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT BANK. IF THEY WERE TO TEAR DOWN TO A DIFFERENT THING THAN CODE WOULD CATCH UP AND THEY HAVE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN.

>> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AS THESE -- THE OLD HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF 1660 AND FRONT STREET -- I'M SORRY NOT FRONT. YES, THAT ONE. THAT CHANGED HANDS. THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO BRING THESE PLACES UP TO OUR

STANDARDS. >> SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CREATING PATHWAYS TO BRING THINGS UP TO CODE. KIND OF

INCREMENTALLY. >> ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET A ROGUE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET STUCK WITH A $20,000 BILL

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IT. >> THAT IS SUCH THE TRUTH.

>> MASSIVE OVERREACH. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I'M TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY OF AREAS THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD THESE THINGS. WE ARE SPENDING TWO, THREE, $4 MILLION. IN THE LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ON SIDEWALKS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN

THERE WHEN WE ANNEXED IT. >> THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO, THEY

DIDN'T DO THAT. >> RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT NOW WE ARE GOING IN AND SPENDING TAX DOLLARS TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE DO THAT, TYING THAT IN WITH THE CODE SOMEHOW WHERE THE CITY TAKES A LOOK AT THESE BUSINESSES CHANGEOVER, AS THESE USES CHANGE, DO WE NEED TO GO IN AND FIX THIS ISSUE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FIXED?

>> HERE'S THE EXAM I WOULD GET. YOU HAVE A LOT OF CITIES THAT DON'T LIKE BILLBOARDS ANYMORE. BUT THESE REALLY ARCHAIC STANDARDS ON BILLBOARDS. YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN THEM, YOU CAN'T PAINT THEM, THE IDEA IS EVENTUALLY THE REST OUT OR THEY FALL DOWN. BUT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, ALL YOU SEE IS AN EYESORE. I ASKED CITIES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO 40 FOOT TALL SIGN ANYMORE GOING DOWN TO A FOUR FOOT TALL SIGN MEANS NO ONE WILL EVER REPLACE THAT SIDE. BUT IF YOU GO FROM 40 TO 20, IT'S A START. 10 YEARS LATER, YOU GO DOWN TO 10, ALL THE THINGS -- JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES TO WHERE THEN YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING AT A TIME BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU POST IT AS IT MAY JUST BE SIDEWALKS TODAY, NEXT IT'S SOMETHING ELSE SO THIS IS I GET YOUR POINT BECAUSE THERE WAS A DEAL, THERE WAS A PLANNING ISSUE, THERE WERE THESE TWO BUILDINGS AND ONE HAD FLOOD DAMAGE. AND THEY TOOK OFF THE PROPERTY, I FORGET WHAT THE ISSUE IS BUT THE PLANNING CAUSED THEM TO HAVE TO BRING THE OTHER BUILDING UP TO CODE. ON FRONT STREET, WHAT WAS THE

SITUATION THERE? >> THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE AND THEY WANT TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO USE IT AND NOW THEY WANT TO ADD AND BUILD TO THE LOT. THE CODE SAYS IF YOU WANT TO ADD AND YOUR SITE DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT CODE THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR SITE MEET CURRENT CODE. SO FOR 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING THEN THEY HAVE TO CREATE THE LANDSCAPING FOR THAT 5000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.

>> THINGS LIKE THAT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH. I KNOW IN ANOTHER CITY THEY HAD THOSE AND THEY CUT THEM TOO LOW VIEWED THAT AS TRIGGERING A NEW, YOU HAD TO UPDATE YOUR HOPELESS WITH THE NEW LANDSCAPE CODE AND THEY HAD TO TAKE OUT PARKING SPOT AND PUT IN LANDSCAPE BECAUSE A CONTRACTOR CAME BY AND CUT IT DOWN. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. SOMETIMES YOU --

>> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IS GREAT BUT INCREMENTAL PATHS TO BRINGING THINGS INTO CONFORMANCE.

>> THERE'S A TURN LANE 1660 NORTH AND WHERE IS THE

SIDEWALK? >> DID WE NOT PUT ONE OVER

THERE? >> WHERE'S THE CROSSWALK? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE ARE DOING CITY PROJECTS -- AND IT IS NOT THERE. SORRY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT GOING THROUGH -- THERE IS NOTHING IN CODE, NOTHING SAYING HEY, MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THERE IS A CROSSWALK THERE THAT IS A.D.A. COMPLIANT.

BACK ABOUT SIDEWALK THING, WHEN A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY GETS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY THEY WENT FROM NOT PAYING ANY CITY TAXES TO PAY CITY TAXES SO THE SAFETY ISSUE IS YOU NEED THE SIDEWALKS. USE THE TAX MONEY THAT IS NEW THAT'S NOT BEEN ALLOCATED FOR ANYTHING. SO IT'S NOT ON THE TAXPAYERS EXCEPT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING THERE AND THEY'RE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SIDEWALKS I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY, IT'S NOT JUST IMMEDIATELY FORCING A, IF YOUR NX INC. IN THE NEED TO GET THAT REVENUE IMMEDIATELY AND YOU

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OUR STUFF TOGETHER. >> DO YOU ALL ANTICIPATE DOING ANNEXATION OF STUFF THAT'S BUILT?

>> I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE. >> YOU GO TO AUSTIN, WHAT WE TODAY THINK IS THE RIGHT WAY AND IN 20 YEARS IT WILL BE THE WRONG WAY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN EVER GET A WHOLE CITY BUILT A BLEEDING YOU THINK IT IS. FROM A COST STANDPOINT WE CAN'T EVEN BUILD THE STUFF WE NEED, THEN IN 20 YEARS PEOPLE ARE GOING WHY DID YOU GUYS DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU DOING TODAY? THAT WAS STUPID. THERE'S A WHOLE BETTER WAY OF DOING THAT.

I GET IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ALSO DON'T WANT SOME PLACES HAVE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS COME SUMMER HAVE TO FIGHT, SOME HAVE A PATCHWORK. BUT A DEGREE OF CONSISTENCY WOULD BE NICE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE COMING IN MIND THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT? AS WE MARCH HAPPILY TOWARDS 8:30 AND I HAVE A GENERAL RULE THAT I DON'T LIKE DOING THESE THINGS MORE THAN 90 MINUTES.

EVERYBODY GETS TIRED AND RESTLESS.

>> I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.

I THINK WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A NICE, SOLID WORKFLOW ON HOW THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WORKS. RIGHT NOW COUNCILS GOT A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. THAT I THINK NEEDS TO SET THE DIRECTION SO THAT WHEN PNC LOOKS AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECTS, WE ARE INFORMED ABOUT WHERE COUNSEL WANTS TO GO. THAT IN TURN IS GOING TO FEED INTO THE ADOPTION OF THE CIP WHICH WILL INFLUENCE THE BUDGET AND IT WILL BE THIS CONTINUAL CYCLE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE AS FAR AS I AM AWARE OF SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS COMING UP AND SAYING HEY CANCEL, WE WANT TO DO THIS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO OR NOT? AND THEN IT IS DEBATE ON THE DAIS OTHER THAN WHAT IT SAID WE WANT TO DO THAT, LET'S MAKE THAT ONE HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW A LOT OF BOARDS ARE OPERATING KIND OF ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FIX OUTSIDE OF THIS PROCESS THOUGH.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME TIME THERE BECAUSE LAST YEAR'S STRATEGY SESSION WAS ALMOST ALL CIP. THIS YEAR'S IS NOT GOING TO BE. WE DO NEED TO HAVE CIP SESSIONS GOING FORWARD.

>> GET INTO A NICE, SOLID, ESTABLISHED CYCLE. LIKE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS. JUST KEEP ROTATING

AROUND IN PERPETUITY. >> THE OTHER THING I NOTICED LOT IN MEETINGS IS WHEN IT IS OPEN IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHEN THE DEVELOPERS COME UP AND THE INFORMATION IS ON THE AGENDA AND DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY, AND END UP BENDING TWO HOURS UP HERE AND THEY TAKE OVER THE MEETING, THEY START TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER AND IT IS THIS WHOLE -- TO THE DEVELOPER EVEN WITH -- AND SO I AM WONDERING IS THERE A WAY WHERE WE COULD DO AN HOUR BEFORE WERE THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO BE AT THE MEETING AN HOUR BEFORE AND THEY CAN HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PART OF THE UDC, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BE A PART OF SOMETHING BUT I KNOW THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN OUR MEETINGS. BUT IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE THINKING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE PRESENTED. IT JUST COMES DOWN TO HOW YOU -- YOUR RULES FOR RUNNING A MEETING, TALKING ABOUT THE RULES OF ORDER, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE YOUR OWN, VERSION OF IT WHERE THERE IS SPECIFIC PROTOCOLS, HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN SPEAK, THLIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE PART OF YOUR PAST TO HELPING THE SITUATION.

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>> THAT IS KIND OF DEVELOPER SPECIFIC. ARE THERE DEVELOPERS WHO WILL REACH OUT TO COUNCILMEMBERS AND ASK, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT DOING, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS IN GENERAL THIS SO WE CAN PLAN AROUND THAT AND THEN THEY WILL GO TO AN INCH AWAY THAT'S NEXT TO IT AND THEY WILL MEET WITH THE JULIE SO THEN MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS BEFORE THEY COME TO PNC. THERE ARE SOME WHO'VE DONE THAT IN THE RECENT PAST AND THERE ARE SOME WHO THEY SHOW UP AT THE MEETING AND NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THEM.

>> OPEN DISCUSSION OF WHAT TAKES OUR MEETINGS SO LONG AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS THAT -- TWO MONTHS AGO OUR MEETING WAS ALMOST THREE HOURS LONG AND ALMOST AN HOUR AND A HALF OF IT WAS -- WE KEPT SAYING OKAY CALLBACK TO ORDER, COLLECT ORDER AND IT WOULD GO RIGHT BACK TO THE CITIZENS NEEDED TO TALK. AND I MEAN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK. SO IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING IS KIND OF WHERE I WAS TRYING TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT.

>> LIKE AN OPEN HOUSE AT SIX BEFORE YOU MEET AT SEVEN.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT. >> YOU COULD CODE THAT. I HAVE ALSO SEEN IT DONE BY THINGS THAT YOU PUT ON THE APPLICATION FILLED OUT FOR YOU ARE NOT REQUIRING IT BUT YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION ON THE APPLICATION FORM FOR A ZONING CHANGE.

HAVING MADE CONTACT WITH ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS? IF SO, HOW? AND WHEN? AND THAT'S A USEFUL PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW ON COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. IT ALSO KIND OF MAYBE GIVES THE DEVELOPER A HIT. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO

POLISH THAT. >> PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

>> HERE HE SAID, RIGHT AT 8:30, ANY LAST, LAST BITS?

>> HOW IS OUR WATER SITUATION?

>> THAT IS NOT THIS MEETING. >> WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ON

THIS? >> NO.

>> OKAY. >> TWO COMMENTS, YOU START OFF THIS WITH A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY AND PROCEED WITH CONFIDENCE FROM OUR BOARDS SO I AGREE WITH THAT BUT WHEN I HOPE WE HAVE THE DEGREE OF CERTAINTY IT ALLOWS US TO PROCEED WITH CONFIDENCE BUT ALSO FOR THE DEVELOPERS, A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY AND THEIR ABILITY TO PROCEED WITH CONFIDENCE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM HAVE TO BUY THE LAND SPENT -- IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WITH $100-$2000 THAT THEY MAY SPEND TO GET TO A POINT BEFORE THEY GET A YES OR NO. SO A LOT OF TIMES THE UDC WILL DICTATE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS AND FOR US TO HAVE A CODE THAT IS DEVELOPER FRIENDLY, IT HAS PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL EXISTING BUSINESSES THEY ARE UP AGAINST.

NOTHING THAT'S SO BAD TO WHERE, AGAIN, WE CAN DEBATE THEY CHARGE LESS OR CHARGE MORE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES ONE OF THE REASONS WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY IS BECAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE TO DO BUSINESS JUST IN GENERAL IN OUR CITY AND OTHER CITIES. SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T PUT A LOT OF COST, THERE'S A REASON FOR WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING AND WE ARE JUST NOT DOING IT BUT IT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ISSUES AND GIVES EVERYBODY LIKE I SAID, A DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, ABLE TO PROCEED BY LAND, DEVELOP, SO THAT'S WHAT

I HOPE COMES OUT OF THIS. >> NOTHING AUSTIN.

>> RECEIVED. >> I THINK FROM THE COMP PLAN THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THEIR ABOUT THE STANDARDS FOR THE WIDTH OF THE ROADS, THE SIDEWALKS, THE MOBILITY STANDARDS AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE IN THE FUTURE. MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT IS -- A LOT OF WHY WE ARE HERE

I THINK. >> I THINK HAVING THIS UPDATED UTC CODE WILL ALLOW DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPER FRIENDLY SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT'S NEEDED OF THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF DO THIS BACK-AND-FORTH GAME ESPECIALLY WITH YOU ALL. I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE COME TO THE CITY TEND TO BE GOOD STEWARDS, THEY WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES WITH THE UDC WITH FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT THEY JUST CAN'T BECAUSE THEIR HANDS ARE TIED AND SO HOPEFULLY REVISING THIS AND UPDATING IT MAKES THAT BETTER BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PLAY BY THE RULES, WITH THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE POWER LINES, THEY ALREADY KNEW WHAT ENCORE REQUIRED AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. IT WAS JUST LIKE NOTHING THAT THEY ADDRESSED, RIGHT? AND SO THAT COULD JUST BE LIKE AN EASY CHECKMARK FOR THEM. HEY, THIS IS GOOD. GOOD TO GO, ALL CLEAR. WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS IN A

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SPECIAL MEETING. >> YOU WANT TO AVOID THE SITUATION OF -- I WANT TO COMPLY BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW.

IT'S THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN. I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE STUCK AND IF WE UPDATE THIS THE DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT, YOU KNOW?

>> YES. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. WELL. IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, LET'S BRING US TO THE END OF US. KIND OF WHAT YOU WILL SEE COMING FORWARD IS SOME INITIAL DRAFTING WORK STARTING TO HAPPEN WITH THE STAFF. WE HAVE KIND OF A PATTERN WE WORK THROUGH THIS. PARTIAL DRAFTS TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RELEASE A PARTIAL DRAFT OF SOMETHING? THE FIRST QUESTION THEY WILL HAVE IS GOING TO BE LIKE YOU KNOW IT'S A WHOLE SECTION ON LAND-USE. OH YEAH WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING? IT'S NOT THERE YET. SO WE TRY TO WE TRY TO DESIGN THIS SO THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION OF LIKE WHERE IS THIS? WITHIN THE ENGINEERING MANUAL WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT WHAT TO KEEP, WHAT TO MODIFY, WHAT TO DIG. RIGHT NOW YOUR ENGINEERING MANUALS ARE USING AN AMALGAMATION OF A FEW DIFFERENT ONES. IT'S FIGURING OUT WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT OUT OF THAT. ALSO THINKING ABOUT REGIONAL CONSISTENCY, REGIONAL CONSISTENCY IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING. IN THAT ENGINEERING WORLD SO THAT WAY YOUR ENGINEERS ARE NOT SWITCH TASKING BETWEEN WHERE THEY ARE WORKING AND SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, REALLY ROUNDED OUT WITH DEVELOPERS, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME GAP THAT WE HAVE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD HERE OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANKS USE FOR SPENDING YOUR EVENING WITH US THIS EVENING. WE APPRECIATE THE

TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANKS. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS WANT TO HANG AROUND FOR THE ITEM OR ADJOURN?

>> I WOULD ASK IF WE MOVE ITEM 8 TWO -- IN FRONT OF ITEM 7.

>> NO OBJECTIONS? I DO MEET PLAN ZONING COMMISSION ADJOURNED. PUT YOU DOWN AT 8:37.

[7.1. Consideration and possible action to direct staff to reprioritize the annual road maintenance plan to add temporary repairs to CR 137 south of 1660 intersection (Councilmember Kolar)]

>> THAT BRINGS ITEM 71 CONSIDERATION FOR SELECTION TO REDIRECT STAFF TO REPRIORITIZE THE ANNUAL ROAD MAINTENANCE PLAN TO ADD TEMPORARY REPAIRS TO COUNTY ROAD 137 SOUTH OF 1660 INTERSECTION. DOES ANYBODY NOT KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM 7 POINT ONE IS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

>> THIS MOTION, WHAT IS BEING DE-PRIORITIZED, DO WE KNOW? BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT IS BEING PRIORITIZED IF YOU COULD TELL US AND WHAT IS THE PLAN HERE?

>> WHAT IS THE GAME PLAN OR ARE WE STILL WORKING ON OR WHAT ARE

WE GOING TO DO? >> DO YOU HAVE A MIC THERE?

>> YES. >> THERE YOU GO. GOOD EVENING, RICK CORONATO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD BE THE GAME PLAN IF WE SHUFFLED AROUND SOME OF THE EXISTING MAINTENANCE PLAN, WE HAVE ONE $.2 MILLION MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT INCLUDES THREE LEVELS OF TREATMENT, ONE IS OVERLAY WHICH IS AROUND 450,000 IN BUDGET. THERE'S A SURFACE PRESERVATION, SIMILARLY AROUND 450 TO 500,000 AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT BALANCE IS THE CRACKED SEAL. OTHER TYPES OF PREVENTATIVE WEIGHT MAINTENANCE. WHAT THIS WOULD BE TARGETING IS THE MILL AND OVERLAY BUDGET, CURRENTLY THAT CONSISTS OF SOME DOWNTOWN AREAS BUT ALSO IT INCLUDES A MAJOR PORTION OF THAT COST OR ALLOCATION IS WITH COUNTY ROAD 133. WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD DIFFER PART OF 133 TO A SUBSEQUENT YEAR. SO THAT'S DOABLE WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET

THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> WHERE IS 133? TRYING TO

REMEMBER WHERE 133 IS. >> NORTHEASTERN PART OF THE CITY. PART OF THAT RIGHT NOW IS PLANNING TO HAVE SOME OF THAT DONE WITH THE DEVELOPER. THE PLAN OF THAT 133 IS ANYTHING THAT ISN'T COVERED BY THE DEVELOPER.

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>> SEVERAL OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET ABOUT 137 AND 1660 WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN FIX DIRECTLY BUT THEN I'VE SEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY YOU GUYS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THIS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN 133. THERE IS MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO ARE DESPERATE TO GET 133 FIXED. DO WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS? I MEAN WHAT -- WHAT WHAT WHAT WAS WERE THERE OTHER CHOICES OR OTHER THINGS?

>> TO THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING OF THAT 133 IS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT. AND WHEN I MENTIONED IS THE REMAINING PART OF THAT IS THAT WE WOULD FILL IN THE GAP WITH THE 133 PLAN.

SO YOU WOULD SEE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT WITH 133 AND THAT IS TO JUST MOVE OVER TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

>> YOU ARE SAYING PORTIONS OF 133.

>> NOT ALL OF IT. >> THE CURRENT PLAN IS ALL OF IT FROM 66 1660 I FOUND TO DOWN TO 132.

>> CORRECT. THERE WAS A BRIDGE , THEY WOULD TAKE SOUTH TO THE BRIDGE. THERE WAS KIND OF A DRY CREEK. AND THAT IS ABOUT $200,000 WORTH OF PLANT WORK. WHERE WE WOULD BE DEFERRING.

THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PART OF 137 IS JUST OVER 2000 LINEAR FEET AND THAT IS, ROUGHLY, IF YOU USE THE ESTIMATES WE HAVE SEEN, THAT'S ABOUT $200,000 WORTH OF WORK.

>> FOR 137? >> STAFF IS ONLY RECOMMENDING FROM 1660 TO JUST SOUTH OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUS TO FARLEY.

THERE'S THE SIGNAL LIGHT BEGAN FOR THE ZONE AND THAT'S ABOUT 2050 FEET. SO THAT ESTIMATED AT $25 PER SQUARE YARD WOULD GIVE YOU SOMEWHERE AROUND $200,000 WORTH OF WORK. THAT WOULD BE THE SWAP JUST LOOKING OVER THE PLAN, SO THAT WOULD BE THE DEFERMENT TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WHEN I LOOK AT 133, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CREEK THAT'S TOWARDS THE SOUTH END? STRETCH. SO WE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE DOING MAYBE LESS THAN 20, 20% OF THAT OVERALL TOTAL STRETCH OF 133.

>> IT WILL BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 1700 LINEAR FEET .

>> THE MAJORITY OF IT IS -- >> THE MAJORITY OF IT WILL BE

DONE NORTH. >> SO WHAT WE ARE DEFERRING -- WHETHER WE FIX THAT OR NOT, THE REST OF THE ROAD IS STILL A DISASTER. IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX IT, RIGHT? IS THAT TRUE OR

-- >> KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT WAS POOR. OR JUST NOT SATISFACTORY, WAS SIGNIFICANTLY NORTH OF THAT CREEK.

>> OKAY. WHAT WE ARE DEFERRING IS NOT THE PROBLEM AREA AND IF WE DID THAT TODAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX THE PEOPLE'S ISSUES THAT ARE DRIVING THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.

>> CORRECT. IF WE DID A PORTION OF THAT, IT STILL, IT HAS TO BE ALIGNMENT WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE WE WILL AUGMENT THAT TO BE SURE THE ENTIRE STRETCH IS KIND OF CHANGING THAT CONDITION. SO IT IS A DEFERMENT. WE STILL SEEM TO HAVE THAT NEED BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COVER THE ENTIRE STRETCH. DEVELOPMENT WILL COVER TWO THIRDS OF THAT AND WE ARE PROBABLY COVERING LIKE A THIRD OF THAT.

>> OKAY I'M LOOKING TO ADD -- GENERALLY 133 THERE'S ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT YOU CAN TAKE. THERE'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT IN THAT AREA TOO. AND IF IF IF TWO OF US GETTING FIXED IN THAT

ANYWAY. >> WHAT IS THE DEVELOPERS

DOING? >> ARE THEY WIDENING, WHAT ARE

THEY DOING TO FIX THE ISSUE? >> YOU HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THAT. SO THEY ARE NOT WIDENING -- THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR A COUNTY TO HAVE SOME EGRESS.

>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF 133, TECHNICALLY

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SO ON ONE SIDE OF -- FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION -- BUT 400 AND YOUR FETUS CITY, 600 FEET IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT IS WHY WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS ALL FIXED BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE COUNTY'S RADAR AT ALL TO FIX THIS ROAD BECAUSE WE OWN ABOUT 60% OF IT AND THEY OWN ABOUT 40% OF IT. IT WASN'T ON THEIR RADAR. IT WASN'T ON OUR RADAR BECAUSE I HADN'T HAD TIME TO PUT IT ON OUR RADAR BUT I TALKED TO RICK ABOUT IT AND SHE WENT OUT AND DROVE IT AND SHE'S LIKE, SHE HAS A LITTLE CAR SO SHE'S LIKE I KNOW PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS DRUNK DRIVING TRYING TO AVOID ALL THE POTHOLES OUT THERE. SO WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHY HE HAD IT ON HIS MAINTENANCE LIST BUT THEN THE DEVELOPER CAME THROUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS THEIR MAIN POINT OF ACCESS SO THEY ARE LIKE FIX THIS ROAD, AT LEAST PUT BAND-AIDS ON IT TEMPORARILY? WORKING WITH THE COUNTY CAME UP WITH A BETTER THAN A BANDIT APPROACH BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THE END ALL BE ALL FIXED. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO HOLD US FOR THE FEW YEARS.

>> WHAT DID THEY DO THAT? IT MAKES ME NERVOUS DEPENDING ON THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DECIDE THEY SHELVE THE PROJECT. WHERE I WILL GO WITH THIS I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE WAY WE ARE ALLOCATING THIS BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING FROM POOR ROAD MONEY TO ANOTHER POOR ROAD. I WOULD RATHER SEE US NOT FIX A CHIP SEAL AND IN THE MEANTIME OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE RHODES IS THE ISSUE. COUNSEL IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS. WE'VE GOT 40 NEW POSITIONS, WHICH POSITIONS HAVE WE NOT HIRED FOR? WHICH ONES DO NOT NEED? I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT RATHER THAN SAYING WE WILL SHUFFLE MONEY AROUND BUT WE HAVE AN EXTRA TWO OR 300,000 OF ROAD MAINTENANCE TO DO THEN WE NEED TO FIND THE MONEY AND NOT TAKE IT IN MY MIND FROM ONE WORLD ROAD THING TO ANOTHER JUST TELLING PEOPLE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THESE PEOPLE BUT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SEAL ROADS AND STUFF WHICH ARE IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO GET CAUGHT UP ON THIS. BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIND, TO ME, THE EMERGENCY THING IS GET IT GOING AND THE NEXT PHASE IS FIGURING OUT WHERE TO FIND, DON'T TAKE IT FROM ANOTHER POOR ROAD

SITUATION. >> WE STILL HAVE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO BE APPROPRIATE THAT CAN BE USED FOR COMMON AREAS OF

HUTTO. >> I WOULD RATHER IT COME OUT OF THE CHIP SEALING'S MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DIVERTING A MAJOR ISSUE HERE. WHETHER YOU CHIP SEAL IN MARCH OR APRIL OR MAY, YOU ARE GETTING IT DONE THIS YEAR. THESE ROADS, TO ME, I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE A PRIORITY ON 137. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A YEAR AGO. AND THEN WE DECIDED WE NEED TO REBUILD IT AND I EVEN BROUGHT UP THEN I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND REPAVE IT, PAY 200 GRAND AND REPAVE IT, WE HAVE ALL THIS WORK AND DIDN'T DO THAT AND THE STUFF IS FEELING AND TO MAYBE GET THE STUFF THAT FAILING AND GET IT

DONE. >> WHAT'S THE COST OF THE WORK YOUR CREW WOULD DO ON 133 THAT Y'ALL HAVE KIND OF BEEN PLANNING FOR? WHAT'S THE COST ON THAT?

>> THE DEFERRED COST IS ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME. IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE 200,000 RANGE. IT WAS 210.

>> THE BUDGET FOR MILL AND OVERLAY, IS IT STILL IN THE

CATEGORY OF THE 500? >> YES. IN THE CATEGORY OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR, WHETHER IT IS THEN OR TWO INCH

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OF THAT BUDGET. >> COULD WE ALSO GET 137 DONE AT 200,000 AND THEN WONDER 133 DONE AT 200,000 AS WELL.

>> I KNOW. THESE PUSH ANY OVERLAY SECTION OUT.

>> WE CAN FIX THEM ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE TOWN.

>> POTHOLES IS PART OF MILL AND OVERLAY?

>> I HEAR HER ASKING, IF WE DO 133, WE DO 137, WHAT ELSE IS

THERE? >> WHAT ELSE IS IN THAT

CATEGORY? >> YOU ARE RECOMMENDING TAKING 133 OUT. IF WE KEEP 133 AND 137, WHAT DROPS UP NOW?

>> I'M RECOMMENDING DEFERRED WAFER 133, CONTINUE WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREAS AND -- DOWNTOWN AREAS --

>> DOWNTOWN WOULD SUFFER. IT'S EITHER 133 OR THE DOWNTOWN

AREAS. >> IS ALSO ABOUT 200,000. IT'S ABOUT ANOTHER HUNDRED 50,000 TO TOTAL UP TO THE HALF-MILLION-IS

H. >> YOU DON'T SPEND 200,000

CEILING ROADS. >> THERE'S ANOTHER BUCKET OF

-- >> IF YOU WILL PUT MONEY INTO

BUCKETS -- >> DOES FEEL QUICKER AND YOU HAVE BIGGER COSTS. YOU'RE MAKING A BIGGER PROBLEM.

>> IF YOU LIVED ON 133, HERE IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE, WHEN YOU LIVE ON 133 WE HAVE DEVELOPER COMING AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT NEXT YEAR, YOU ONLY GOT TO WAIT 12 MONTHS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO GO PUT SOME SEALANT DOWN ON THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS AND KEEP THE ROADS GOOD. THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE ARE GOING TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? FIGURE IT OUT. FIND THE 200 GRAND BUT FIX MY ROAD OVER HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENT

ABOUT DRIVING ON IT. >> BUT THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATE

ROUTE. >> I WANT TELL THEM TO GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE BECAUSE WE ARE FIXING THE ROAD.

>> WHAT ABOUT ARE YOU TELLING PEOPLE TO TAKE?

>> AND SAYING TO FIX 137, FIX 133, SIX OLD TOWN AND THAT IS THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS TODAY AND WORST CASE, IF STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO COME UP WITH 200 GRAND WE DON'T SEAL SOME ROADS. I THINK ON THE $24 MILLION BUDGET SOMEONE CAN FIGURE OUT THEIR MONEY. THERE'S A SAVINGS THERE. WE PLAN TO TIRE 70 PEOPLE AND LET'S SAY WE ARE BEHIND THAT, THAT MONEY IS JUST SITTING THERE THAT CAN GET SPENT ON OTHER THINGS IN THAT DEPARTMENT. CHANGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HIRE PEOPLE IN QUARTER ONE AND WE DIDN'T, THAT FREED UP $185,000 AND I WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY FROM THEIR TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE JUST LIKE THE CHIEF DID IT. HE JUST MOVE STUFF AROUND AND WE HAD SAVINGS AND WE JUST GOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

ESSENTIALLY $50,000 TO ALSO TAKE CARE OF OLD TOWN.

>> 20 $200,000. >> THE BUDGET IS A 500.

>> HE'S ALREADY GOT OTHER ROADS. GOT TO GET 200 GRAND

MORE. >> WE ARE 200 GRAND SHORT. I AM WITH COUNCILMAN CLARK. YOU DON'T DO THE CRACK SEAL COMING SAVE $200 ON COAXIAL AND THOSE GO QUICKER AND THEN YOU END UP SPENDING $400,000 FIXING THOSE ROADS WHEN YOU COULD'VE SPENT $200,000 PREVENTING THEM FROM FEELING EVEN MORE. THAT'S WHAT

WE WERE TOLD. >> WHEN THEY CAME INTO THE

STUDY -- >> WE NEED ONE .5 MILLION AT

ONE .2. >> PREVENTING FROM GETTING TO 133. THAT IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. THE CRACK SEAL PREVENTS THAT FROM FEELING FURTHER. SAVING MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO FIND $200,000 SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET AND ADD TO THIS BUDGET. THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER.

>> I AGREE BUT I THINK TONIGHT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> NO WE DON'T. WE CAN TELL THEM TO GO DO THIS AND THEN WE FIGURE OUT, I AM NOT ADVOCATING DON'T CHIP SALE. I AM ADVOCATING MOVE THE MONEY AND RIGHT NOW TO GET THAT NEED DONE DONE RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND THAT PROVIDES TIME FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS TO FIND 2000 SORROWS. IF THEY DON'T FIND IT, TO ME, THEN THEY'VE MADE A DECISION NOT TO DO THAT AND WE AS A COUNSEL COME BACK AND TAKE IT OURSELVES. IT ALL NEEDS TO BE DONE, ALL ONE .2 MILLION, ONE .5 MILLION NEEDS TO BE DONE. PEOPLE ONLY COMPLAIN ABOUT TWO THINGS IN THE CITY

AND -- >> OBVIOUSLY RICK AND HIS TEAM HAVE OBVIOUSLY ALREADY PUT IN THE WORK THAT THEY ARE PLANNING

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>> MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT LEVER ARE YOU PUSHING BECAUSE I HEARD PEOPLE SAYING ARE YOU KIDDING ME IT'S A JOKE, THE COUNTY PUT OUT A LITTLE SIGN WITH LITTLE FLAG THAT SAYS ROUGH ROAD ON 1660. AS SOON AS YOU GET PAST THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YOU ARE COMING AROUND, IT'S UNSAFE. YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO, LIKE -- GO 10 MILES AN HOUR.

>> THAT'S NOT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO 1660.

>> WHOEVER IT IS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET THEM TO BE LIKE LOOK YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR ISSUE AND EVERY DAY DRIVEN OVER BY THE TRUCKS, IT'S GETTING TOWARD MORE EVERY DAY.

>> I REACHED OUT TO THE AREA OFFICE TODAY AND ASKED THEM ABOUT THIS AND THEY ARE TELLING ME THERE CREWS ARE GOING TO BE OUT THERE MONDAY FIXING 1660. THEY KNEW ABOUT THE PROBLEM THAT THEY COULDN'T GET OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE RAIN WE'VE BEEN HAVING. YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THE RAIN. BASED ON THE WEATHER PREDICTIONS, IT SHOULD DRY UP ENOUGH. THEY WERE HEADED AND START TO FIX THOSE ISSUES.

>> AND TOLD ME THEY ARE ON STANDBY WAITING FOR THE RAIN TO STOP. THERE ARE STILL LEVERS TO PUSH.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AN ANSWER AND IT

SOUNDS LIKE WE DO. >> THIS IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY THE MAJOR IT GOT PUT ON THIS MEETING BECAUSE THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT MATTER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HEARD FROM SOMEONE ABOUT 137. AND THIS IS KIND OF ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL OBVIOUSLY. THAT ROAD WAS ALREADY ROUGH AND FAILING SINCE YURI IN 2021, THAT REALLY HIT IT HARD. THEN THIS LAST WINTER STORM JUST CRUSHED IT AS WELL.

THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN'T CONTROL. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO EMERGENCY FIND FUNDS, PUSH PROJECTS, MOVE THINGS AROUND SO IT CAN GET DONE FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS.

OBVIOUSLY 1660 SOUTH, TAKING CARE THAT STARTING MONDAY OR TWO BE DETERMINED, AS THEIR PROJECT AT THE CITIES, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE EMERGENCY SITUATION, THE SAFETY OF 137.

SO -- >> I WILL MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE MONEY, 200 GRAND FROM THE CHIP SEAL TO 137 AND WE KEEP ONE 33.

>> CAN DIRECT STAFF TO FIND THE SAFETY.

>> IF YOU ARE CYCLING THAT THEN I WILL ADD THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE OR DISCUSSION?

>> I THINK IT IS FOOLISH TO MOVE IT FROM THE CRACK SEAL. I THINK WE ARE TRIPPING OVER A DOLLAR TO SAVE A DIME. I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS AND FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE THAN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING IT'S COMING OUT OF CRACK SEAL OR IF IT'S COMING OUT OF COUNTY ROAD 133. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS DIRECTING STAFF TO GO FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OUT TO BE THE ONE. WHY ISN'T THAT THE MOTION? WHY IS THE MOTION TO GO

FIND IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? >> BECAUSE I WANTED DONE TODAY AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND CUT A POSITION.

THEY HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT -- HAVE

TO AGREE WITH WHAT THEY CUT. >> WE WILL MAKE A CUT AND APPROPRIATE 200,000 BACK INTO THE CHIP AND SEAL BUDGET. BE GIVEN 30 DAYS TO FIGURE THAT OUT?

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON ARE YOU LEAVING? OKAY, NOW WE ARE

DOWN TO 5. OKAY. >> ODDS IS I AGREE WITH YOU THE ONLY REASON WE PROPOSE THIS WAY IS IT WILL WILL BE AUGUST. WHY DID YOU GET

>> IF IT COMES OUT OF THE CRACK SEAL, I'LL BE THE ONE PUSHING

IT. HOW ABOUT THAT? >> I'LL BE THE ONE PUSHING IT.

THE CHAIR, DESK, OR WHICHEVER.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO AMEND?

>> AYE. >> AYE.

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>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES, 5-0. ANY DISCUSSION? BASICALLY THE SAME VOTE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE .

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE. TO AYE.

>> AYE. >> THE MOTION PASSES, 5-0.

ANYTHING ELSE? TO I WANT TO POINT OUTCOME EXPECTATIONS. SO WE DON'T HAVE CREWS AND MATERIALS SITTING OVER THERE READY TO GO. LAY DOWN AND FIX 137. WE HAVE TO BID IT'S. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS. 45 TO 60 DAYS FOR A CHANCE OF THE CREW BEING OUT THERE REBUILDING THE ROAD. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND EXPECTATION OF THE TIME WE'RE

DEALING WITH. >> CAN YOU MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC?

>> IF THE ROAD WASHED OUT HE WOULD NOT BID IT OUT. WHAT CAUSES THE EMERGENCY? I ASKED THE STAFF TO REVIEW EMERGENCY PROTOCOL. IF THE ROAD WASHED OUT, THAT'S THE EMERGENCY BECAUSE THE ROADWAY SEVERED. IT'S INCONVENIENT BUT IT'S STILL POSSIBLE. IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF EMERGENCY

WE CAN TELL. >> WHO DETERMINES. IF WE COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, IT IS INCONVENIENT BUT PASSABLE AND THEY CAN DRAG US OUT OF THE STREET.

>> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO RAISE THE

ISSUE. >> WE SAY THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.

SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO CHALLENGE US OR SUE US AND WE HAVE TO GO TO COURT OVER IT. FOR ME, 200 GRAND ON THE ROAD THAT IS PRETTY BUMPY? IF WE HAVE TO DO AN EMERGENCY DECLARATION, THAT MAY BE UNSAFE NEAR MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I HATE BEING SUED BECAUSE YOU GET DRUG. THAT'S WHAT YOU TELL ME CAN HAPPEN IS A CITY ATTORNEY, I'LL TAKE THAT CHANCE, PERSONALLY.

>> THEY SAY IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT HONDA CIVIC MAY NOT. FOR LET'S DO THIS. ANOTHER PASSION.

>> I'M NOT LEAVING TONIGHT TELLING PEOPLE IT 60 DAYS.

BECAUSE I RATHER GO TO JAIL THAN HAVE 60 DAYS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. WHAT IF WE TALK ABOUT? WHAT IF WE TOOK A VOTE? BARRING SOMETHING HIGHLY LIKELY. THIS IS REALLY NOT GOOD. I'M TO FIGURE HOW TO MAKE IT TO --.

>> YOU CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION OR FINDING IT IS AN EMERGENCY.

IT'LL BE UP TO THE ATTORNEYS COME BACK AND SAY, YES WE AGREE AND KNOW WE DON'T AGREE. I BELIEVE.

>> THIS IS THE POTENTIAL RISK.

>> DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TRY ALL OPTIONS. ANY OPTIONS SO THAT WE CAN DECLARE THIS AS AN EMERGENCY. TWO AND

FACILITATES. >> AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM DECLARE. HOW ABOUT , THE MOTION IS, WE DECLARE 137 TO BE AN EMERGENCY ISSUE IN THE CITY OF --? WE DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO THEM . THIS IS

WHERE I NEED YOUR HELP. >> FIGURE IT OUT.

>> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THE CITY COUNCIL --. EVEN A HOLD ON. CITY COUNCIL DECLARES COUNTER ROAD 137. IN NEED OF

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>> SECOND AND FIRST. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

>> BUT WHAT IF WE TIE THIS TO THE STORM?

>> THAT'S FINE. >> THAT GIVES ADDITIONAL COVERAGE THAT WAS IN EXPECT IT. AND GIVES US A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING EMERGENCY DECLARATIONS.

>> THAT CAUSES UNEXPECTED DAMAGE.

>> PREFERRING JANUARY 14TH, 15TH, 17TH, SO WE'RE CLEAR.

>> IF YOU DO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT THIS IS REALLY, REALLY BAD.

YOU'LL TELL US OTHERWISE? ON MONDAY?

>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> AT THIS POINT FROM WHAT

I'M HEARING? >> THEY TELL ME WHAT TO DO AND

ALL GET OUT THERE. >> I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THERE IS BINDING AUTHORITY. CONTRACTS LIKE THIS ARE CATEGORICALLY NOT WITHIN THE PUBLIC --.

>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I CAN SAY IS YOU CAN SAY WE AUTHORIZE AND MAKE FOR MOTION . WE AUTHORIZE JAMES TO DO $49,000 OF WORK THIS WAY. BUT IN $9000 OF WORK HERE. FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES. THAT IS REALLY GOOD OUTSIDE OF THE AMOUNT.

>> HE SPENT FIVE YEARS SAYING HOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT, AND NOW HE WANTS TO DO IT? TO I'M JUST BEING FUNNY. OKAY.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> AYE. >> AYE.

>> THE MOTION PASSES, 50 -- 5-0.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.