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[Capital Improvements Advisory Committee on January 30, 2024.]
I'M GOING TO CALL THE CITY OF HU, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 30TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM TO ORDER.WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE SIGNED UP? WE HAVE.
WE'VE OPENED THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7 0 1 AND CLOSED IT AT 7:01 PM OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, 3.1 HUDDLE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND IMPACT FEE UPDATE.
I THINK, PATRICIA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OPEN THE PRESENTATION? SORRY.
GOOD EVENING, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I WORK UNDER THE DIRECTION OF MATT RECTOR, OUR CITY ENGINEER, AND TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING TWO DIFFERENT FACETS, TWO CAPITAL, UH, OR PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, UNDER THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, BE THE FIRST COMPONENT, AND YOU ALL WILL BE KIND OF SERVING AS A STEERING COMMITTEE.
AND THE SECOND COMPONENT WILL BE OUR IMPACT FEE.
AND WE HAVE WITH US THIS EVENING, WE HAVE FRIES AND NICHOLS, AND WE HAVE THE KIMLEY HORN TEAM.
AND WE'LL START OUT WITH THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN WITH FREEZING NICHOLS
I SERVE AS THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE ON THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN AND THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT, ELLEN EMRICH, M UH, ELLEN IS REALLY THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN, UH, AND THE IMPACT FEE.
SO WE'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND, UM, WITH, UM, UH, ON THESE TWO, UH, IMPORTANT PROGRAMS. UH, BUT MOREOVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE SEEKING YOUR ASSISTANCE AND GUIDANCE, UM, ON INPUT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS FOR BOTH OF THE STUDIES, WE'RE, WE'RE DELIBERATELY BREAKING THE TWO UP.
WE'RE GONNA TALK TONIGHT FIRST MOBILITY PLAN.
WE'VE GOT MAYBE ABOUT A 15, 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, SOME EXERCISES THAT WE'RE SEEKING SOME INPUT ON, AND WE HAVE A LITTLE TABLE THAT WE WILL GATHER AROUND TO KIND OF SOLICIT SOME INPUT FROM YOU ALL.
BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MOBILITY PLAN UPDATE IS NOT ONLY TO, UM, ALIGN, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE GROWTH THAT PRESSURES THAT SHOW UNDER, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, YOUR MOBILITY COMPONENTS, YOUR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLANS ARE UP TO PAR.
UH, BUT RELATIVE TO THE GROWTH PRESSURES AND HOW THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN EACH ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
MOREOVER, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD STARTING POINT, THE, THE 20, UH, 18 MOBILITY PLANS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
UH, BUT MOREOVER, AS PART OF THIS UPDATE, NOT ONLY ARE WE TWEAKING ALIGNMENTS HERE AND THERE AS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT WE'RE PREPARING A, A MORE ROBUST CIP.
SO THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN IS GONNA BE, UH, UH, COMPOSITION OF PROJECTS, BUT ALSO PROGRAMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT, AND IT'LL, IT'LL BE PRIORITIZED IN TERMS OF SHORT, MEDIUM, LONG WITH AN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.
WE'LL ASCRIBE MORE OF THAT, UH, THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
BUT THAT CIP BECOMES THE IMPETUS, OR AT LEAST THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BECOMES THE BASIS FOR THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
AND SO FOR THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, BY LAW, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THAT.
THAT MUST BE UPDATED AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO IN GOOD FAITH, THE CITY IS IN PROCESS OF UPDATING THAT, UH, WE'LL BE TWEAKING THAT IMPACT VCIP BASED ON THE OUTCOME OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.
ELLEN WILL BE TALKING SOME OF THE NUANCES OF OUR SCHEDULE BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.
WE'RE, WE'RE SHOOTING TO COMPLETE COMPLETING BOTH THESE TWO CAPITAL PROJECTS IN SEPTEMBER.
BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR ROLE AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAVE TO GET THE CIP FOR RHODES TAKEN CARE OF A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SOONER MEETING ON THE THOROUGH AFFAIRS, AND IF YOU ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ADVANCE THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
SO THEN THAT WAY WE CAN, IT CLEARS US TO COME BACK TO YOU, UH, TO DISCUSS THE CIP AS PART OF THE IMPACT FEE.
WE'LL NEED THAT IN ADVANCE BECAUSE OF NOTICING AND REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THAT UPDATE.
ALL WITH THE PURPOSE OF MEETING THAT BY, UH, END OF SEPTEMBER.
UM, WITH US TONIGHT IS, UH, LANCE, UM, OH GOSH, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON LAST NAME.
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GO.LANCE, UH, PARER, UM, LANCE AND, UM, AND HOPE NEWTON FROM WITH KIMLEY HORNE, THEY ARE UPDATING YOUR WATER AND WASTEWATER PROGRAM.
AND, UM, LEMME SWING UP TO THAT.
UH, THEY'RE UPDATING THE WATER WASTEWATER PROGRAM.
SO INITIALLY THEY WERE ON A SEPARATE TRACK.
WE WERE ON OUR TRACK MOBILITY PLAN.
THE ROADS KIND OF DID SOME TALKING.
WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE MORE SYNERGISTIC AND OPPORTUNISTIC TO, TO BRING THE IMPACT FEE COMPONENTS ALL IN ONE SHOT, SINCE ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING FOR ONE PUBLIC HEARING AS PART OF THE UPDATE PROCESS FOR LAND USE ASSUMPTION, CIP, UH, AND THE UPDATE.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN AS PART OF THE SECOND, UM, SECOND PART OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION NIGHT.
SO, UM, ELLEN HAS BEEN LEADING, UH, OTHER TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES WITH MUNICIPALITIES, UH, IN CENTRAL TEXAS, UH, AND IN NORTH TEXAS, AND NOW IN, IN TULSA.
AND SO I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO ELLEN, UH, FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN.
MAUREEN, IT'S GOOD TO MEET YOU.
UM, I'LL MENTION QUICKLY THAT THE BINDERS, I PA, DID EVERYBODY GET A BINDER? OKAY.
UM, THE BINDERS HAVE A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, JUST SOME BACKGROUND MATERIAL.
IT'S PROBABLY MATERIAL YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION, TRANSPORTATION INFORMATION, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN THIS BINDER SO THAT YOU CAN REFER TO IT WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE USING TO CONDUCT THIS STUDY UPDATE.
THERE'S ALSO SOME ABBREVIATIONS, ACRONYMS, UM, GLOSSARY JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS MORE ACRONYMS IN THEIR LIFE.
SO WE DEFINED THOSE FOR YOU,
UM, SO FEEL FREE TO REFER TO THAT OR LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THERE'S ALSO A LARGE VERSION OF THE EXISTING, UM, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE FUTURE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO, AS EDDIE MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT TWO CONCURRENT PROJECTS GOING ON.
UM, THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE, AND THEN THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE.
THE FACT THAT THESE ARE MOVING TOGETHER IS A LITTLE BIT CRAZY, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE ROADWAY PROJECTS THAT WE WILL BE, UM, EVALUATING IN THE IMPACT FEE NEED TO BE REFLECTED IN THE MOBILITY PLAN AND VICE VERSA.
AND SO HAVING THESE TWO TOGETHER IS REALLY A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS ARE ALIGNED AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE FOR EVERYTHING.
SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT THING.
AND THEN FOR THE PROCESS, UM, A LOT OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS BEFORE, BUT AS WE'RE WORKING CONCURRENTLY, ALSO THE, UH, YELLOW ARROW SHOULD SAY THOROUGHFARE PLAN SIGN OFF, NOT MOBILITY PLAN, SIGN OFF.
THESE WILL END HOPEFULLY AROUND THE SAME TIME.
UM, THE TWO THINGS THAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IN THIS PROCESS ARE GONNA BE NETWORK REVIEW, WHICH IS THE FOURTH ITEM ON THE TOP, AND THEN DEMOGRAPHICS REVIEW.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT A, A BIG FOCUS FOR UPDATING THE MOBILITY PLAN IS GONNA BE A NETWORK INVENTORY, MAKING SURE THAT THE FUTURE ROADWAYS, THE EXISTING ROADWAYS, EVERYTHING IS ALIGNED THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND SO THIS WILL ALSO TRANSLATE INTO AN ACCURATE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING AN INVENTORY OF WHAT EXISTS, WHAT HOPEFULLY WILL EXIST IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS REVIEW, UM, THAT'S COLLECTING ALL OF OUR BACKGROUND DATA.
WE'LL BE USING CAMPOS DATA SET FOR THIS AND THEIR, UH, 2045 MODEL TO UPDATE ALL OF THE POPULATION EMPLOYMENT DATA.
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STARTING FROM THE RIGHT POINT IN TERMS OF GROWTH IN HUDU, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE WAY EVERYTHING IS ANTICIPATED TO GROW, SO THAT ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE STILL ACCURATE.
MOVING INTO THE FUTURE, AND HOPEFULLY IN 20 YEARS, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO USE THIS PLAN.
UH, THIS IS A VERY TINY VERSION OF OUR SCHEDULE, AND WE CAN, UH, DEFINITELY GET YOU A LARGER VERSION, BUT IT JUST SHOWS HOW THESE PROJECTS WILL WORK CONCURRENTLY.
UM, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN.
WE HOPE TO HAVE, UM, A PUBLIC TOWN HALL.
ONE MORE MEETING WITH YOU ALL AS THE PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN.
THERE WILL BE TWO MORE MEETINGS AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE IMPACT FEE.
UM, BUT THIS SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT IS CONCURRENT THAT THESE TWO COMMITTEES ARE MEETING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN COUNCIL WORKSHOP PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL.
HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING IS ALIGNING CORRECTLY SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO PROJECTS ARE BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME IN APRIL, I MENTIONED THE ROADWAY NETWORK.
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APRIL IS OUR ANTICIPATED DELIVERY DATE FOR AN UPDATED THOROUGHFARE PLAN.SO THAT WILL BE THE BEST BASIS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE CONCLUSIONS ARE ARE ACCURATE.
SO EDDIE AND I ARE GONNA KIND OF TAG TEAM A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO EXCUSE THE, UH, CONFIGURATION, BUT, UM, MOST OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE PLAN UPDATES THAT JUST HAPPENED.
YOU'RE 2040 SOAR WAS JUST, UH, ADOPTED.
AND SO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT ARE IN THE COMP PLAN WILL DEFINITELY INFORM ALL OF THE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE HERE TO THE MOBILITY PLAN.
ULTIMATELY, THOSE FEED THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE WANNA KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA TRANSLATE INTO CIP PROJECTS AND IMPLEMENTATION, HOW THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO GET DONE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE.
AND WE'RE HELPED BY THE FACT THAT THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE WILL BE ANOTHER MECHANISM FOR IMPLEMENTING THE MOBILITY PLAN AND THE WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN AND OTHER PLANNING TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IMAGE HERE REALLY COMES FROM THE, UH, MOBILITY PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE TODAY.
IT'S BEEN, UM, THIS IS REALLY THE, UH, NETWORK AS PRESENTED AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THUS, SO R 2045 AND WHAT THAT, THAT IMAGE, UH, DEPICTS REALLY AS A FUNCTIONALLY BASED THOROUGHFARE NETWORK.
EACH FUNCTIONAL, EACH FUNCTIONAL CLASS STREET HAS ITS OWN DESIGN STANDARD.
THOSE ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE'RE EVALUATING THE NETWORK.
BUT THEN MOREOVER, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS COME INTO PLAY AS, AS IT RELATES TO CAPACITY, UH, PROVIDED BY, UH, THE ROAD NETWORK AND HOW THAT'S USED IN THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW, SHOW YOU THE, THE MAPPING, UH, FOR IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY STARTING IN A GOOD PLACE.
YOU'VE GOT A BASIC GRID NETWORK.
UM, YES, THERE MAY BE SOME FINE TUNING HERE OR THERE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME, SOME OF THE GROWTH AREAS THAT WERE, THAT ARE OCCURRING.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME EXTERNAL GROWTH FACTORS WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE.
BUT THIS NETWORK, FOR THE MOST PART, THE ARTERIAL PIECE, THOSE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, IN RED, THAT THAT LARGER NETWORK IS REALLY, FOR THE MOST PART, INCORPORATED INTO THE KEO, UH, TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING PROCESS.
AND WE'RE USING THAT TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING, UM, AS REALLY A TOOL TO HELP WITH THE SIZING OF ROADS.
UM, AND, AND FROM THERE, UM, THEN WE'LL MAKE, BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF LANES AND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BUT WE WANNA START PRIMARILY WITH THE FUNCTIONAL DESIGNATION BECAUSE IT BECOMES CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS THIS PLAN, AS A POLICY DOCUMENT, UH, INFORMS OTHER PLANNING INITIATIVES, IE THE WILCO PLANNING, UH, THEN CAMPO PLANNING OF AS PROJECTS ARE BROUGHT INTO THE MTP, AND THEN HOW THAT INFORMS T INITIATIVES, ET CETERA.
SO STARTING FROM A GOOD PLACE IN, IN OUR EXERCISE WHEN WE BREAK OUT, WE'LL BE ASKING YOUR VIEW THE, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS QUESTION FROM THIS EXISTING NETWORK, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DOES ANYTHING SEEM BROKE? AND SO WE'LL WANT YOU TO PUT ASTERISK DOWN, WHETHER IT'S CONGESTION OR WHETHER IT'S SAFETY, WHETHER IT'S A MISSING NETWORK CONNECTION THAT WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE.
SO FOR THE INPUT, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE GONNA BE WANTING TO SEEK.
THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN YOUR BINDER.
ALSO, THE LARGE ONE THAT FOLDS OUT THE BLUE AND THE RED, THE ARTERIAL CLASS AND THE COLLECTORS MM-HMM.
SO THE COLORS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THAT ONE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, AND, AND THE REASON WE SHOW THIS FEATURE LAND USE MAP IS BECAUSE THE TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE WORK HAND IN HAND.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS NETWORK IS ALIGNED WITH THE KINDS OF LAND USE AND INTENSITY OF USES THAT YOU HAVE PROGRAMMED AS, AS PART OF THE SOAR, UH, 2045.
SO WE'RE SHOWING THIS AS KIND OF A FRAMEWORK FOR, OKAY, THIS WAS THE APPROVED VISION OF HOW WE SEE HUDA GROWING OVER THE NEXT 20 PLUS YEARS.
THAT LAND USE TRANSLATES INTO DEMOGRAPHICS.
WE'LL EVALUATE THAT AS PART OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS FROM THE REGIONAL MODEL, HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT SOME OF THE FORECASTED VOLUMES FOR A YEAR 2045.
THEN WE GET INTO THE KIND OF THE SIZING ANALYSIS.
I, I DO HAVE A DEFINITION QUESTION.
WE'VE GOT A CROSSING AND A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING.
CAN YOU FURTHER DEFINE A CROSSING? YEAH.
SO, SO A CROSSING IS INTENDED TO BE MORE AT, AT GRADE ON THE SAME PLANE.
IS THAT ALIGHTED INTERSECTION, OR IS THAT A FOUR-WAY STOP, UH, GRADE SEPARATION, ONE ROAD GOING OVER ANOTHER? THE, THE CROSSING.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE GRADE SEPARATED ONE, THE CROSSING, IS THAT A, IT WOULD PROBABLY SIGNALED INTERSECTION WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SIGNALED.
DEPENDING ON THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT'S BEING, UH, IN FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE SAW THE TRAINS, THE NUMBER OF TRAINS GOING THROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ROUND
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ROCK EXPRESS OR, OR WHAT, BUT, SO WE CAN PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S NOT ALL, UH, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME, SOME OF THOSE KIND OF COMMENTS.THAT, THAT TYPE OF DEFINITION IS ALSO WHAT WE CAN CLARIFY IN THE PLAN UPDATE.
SO FOR, FOR THE FUTURE, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS IMPLEMENTED IN A CONSISTENT MANNER, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EXAMPLE OF A GOOD THING TO UPDATE OR CLARIFY.
AND, AND THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT, SIR, AS IT RELATES TO EMERGENCY ACCESS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I WON'T TAKE TOO LONG ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THE FIRST ITEM BEING THAT IT'S A GUIDE FOR KEY DECISION MAKING.
UM, OF COURSE, THIS KIND OF THING INFORMS AGENCIES AND THE PUBLIC AND DEVELOPERS AND BECOMES THE POLICY DOCUMENT FROM WHICH THE CITY OF HUDU CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE REALLY SOUND CONSISTENT IMPLEMENTATION DECISIONS ABOUT THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND ABOUT, UM, GROWTH AS IT CONTINUES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, TO PRESERVE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S, UH, ALSO A FUNCTION OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IN THE FUTURE IS, UM, LAID OUT, READY TO GO.
AND, UM, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND HOW THE TWO RELATE YOU'RE RECEIVING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, WHAT DOES THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SAY? WHAT IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING? YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS PART OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND, AND ELLEN'S, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THE PRESERVATION OF OF MOBILITY CORRIDORS RIGHT OF WAY IS WHAT BECOMES CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR LONG TERM.
YES, YOU'RE IN A VERY FAST GROWING AREA, BUT IT, IT IS THE STICK THAT'S NEEDED THAT IF YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE THAT VISIONARY NETWORK, THERE HAS TO BE SOME DEDICATION AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SO THAT THAT RIGHT OF WAY BECOMES AVAILABLE AS PART OF IMPLEMENTING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND THEN THE, THE BIGGEST ONE, UM, THERE ON POLICY DOCUMENT, YES, IT'S THE, THE POLICY IN TERMS OF THIS IS, THIS IS HOW WE SEE, WE HUDA SEES OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, AND THAT'S POLICIES INFORMING OTHER AGENCIES, CAMPO WILCO, AS PART OF THE OVERALL REGIONAL PLANNING PROCESS.
BUT IN ADDITION TO AGENCIES, IT'S ALSO INFORMING THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT IT'S INFORMING THE PUBLIC THAT, HEY, THIS IS THE INTENT OF THIS THOROUGHFARE NETWORK.
WE'VE GOT KEY ARTERIAL CORRIDORS.
WE HAVE COLLECTOR CORRIDORS AIMED AT COLLECTING AND DISTRIBUTING TRAFFIC TO THE ARTERIAL NETWORK SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE, YOU KNOW, AS GROWTH CONTINUES, WE'VE HAD THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN PLAY.
IT'S NOT A SURPRISE, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SO INFORMING THE PUBLIC IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS INFORMING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
MM-HMM,
UM, THOSE ITEMS THERE ON THE LEFT ARE GOING TO CONSIST OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, PHYSICALLY, HOW'S IT GOING TO MANIFEST.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE GOAL? WHAT ARE THE DELIVERABLES, UM, I WANNA CALL ATTENTION, PARTICULARLY TO THE BOTTOM ITEM IMPLEMENTATION AND ACTION PLAN.
AGAIN, EVERYTHING ALIGNING WITH THE CIP, UM, THE IMPACT FEE PROJECTS, AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS TRANSLATES INTO SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN ACTUALLY USE.
UM, PUTTING PROJECTS ON THE GROUND, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S ACCOUNTED FOR.
WE ALSO, UM, HAVE KIND OF ENVISIONED LONG TERM FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN, SOME SORT OF IMPLEMENTATION TRACKER SO THAT YOU ALL CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, HUDU ALREADY HAS A GREAT SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THAT.
AND SO REALLY JUST MODIFYING IT, MAKING SURE IT HAS THE DETAILS THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, IS A BIG, UM, PIECE OF THE DELIVERABLE.
AND THEN USING THE PLAN, AGAIN, A REFERENCE, A FOUNDATION, SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN WHIP OUT AND REFER TO, NOT JUST YOU, BUT THE PUBLIC AND DEVELOPERS, UM, THE COMP PLAN WHEN IT'S UPDATED AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD MOBILITY PLAN STUFF AS FAR AS WHAT MAKES MOBILITY PLANS SUCCESSFUL, AND ANY TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN GENERAL, IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE CONTINUOUS ENGAGEMENT WITH YOU ALL WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE HOPE PLANNING TO DEPLOY, UM, A AN ONLINE SURVEY WHERE PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE THEIR INPUT SIMILAR TO THE EXERCISE WE'LL HAVE YOU ALL DO SHORTLY, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY PROBLEM AREAS NEEDED, CONNECTIONS, SAFETY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT OUR DATA COLLECTION, OUR ANALYSIS IS SOUND, THAT ALL OF THE DATA WE'RE GATHERING AS BACKGROUND INFORMATION IS ROBUST AND SUPPORTS THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED AND THE
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POLICIES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED ULTIMATELY IN THE FINAL PLAN.SO WITH, WITH, WITH REGARDS TO THAT STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL ARE PROVIDING US INPUT, BECAUSE AS ALAN MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO TOWN HALLS AS PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN PROCESS.
THERE'LL BE A FIRST TOWN HALL.
UH, WE'RE MEETING WITH YOU ALL TWO TIMES, BUT WE'RE ALSO MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC TOWN HALL.
THE FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING IS GONNA BE KIND OF A, A GENERAL INPUT KIND OF, WITH THE EXERCISES WE'RE DOING HERE, TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF PLANNING, WHAT IS, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS OF, OF HU DO FEEL, OR CRITICAL ISSUES AND NEEDS, THINGS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE CONTEMPLATED AS PROBABLY THE UPDATE.
BUT THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE A SECOND TOWN HALL ONCE THE DRAFT PLAN IS PREPARED, SO THAT THE, THAT, THAT NOT ONLY YOU'LL HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE THE PUBLIC, BUT THAT THE PUBLIC CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ASK COMMENTS.
IF WE MISS THE VOTE ON SOMETHING, IDENTIFY THAT MAYBE WE GO BACK AND, UH, DO SOME FURTHER ANALYSIS.
BUT MORE MOREOVER, IT'S AIMED AT CREATING TRANSPARENCY THAT HERE'S SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WENT INTO THE PLAN.
YOU ALL, YOU ALL THE PUBLIC PROVIDED INPUT, STAKEHOLDERS PROVIDED INPUT.
THERE WAS A SECOND ROUND OF, OF PUBLIC INPUT.
THEN AS THE COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDERS IT AS PART OF THE ADOPTION, THEY'LL HAVE HAD THAT AS PART OF THE, THE BASIS FOR THE PLAN.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE ONE MORE MEETING OF THE MOBILITY PLAN UPDATE COMMITTEE, UM, THE SECOND ONE BEING ANTICIPATED EARLY APRIL, AND TWO MORE MEETINGS OF THE IMPACT FEE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS CONCURRENT OF THE TWO.
UM, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EVENTS THAT WE HAVE COMING TO THE TOWN HALLS, UM, AIDING IN PLAN REVIEW, ANYTHING THAT WILL ADVISE THE, THE FORWARD MOTION OF THIS PROJECT, UH, IN A HELPFUL WAY.
SO WE WOULD LOVE ANY AND ALL FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE FOR THIS AS FAR AS ACTIONS GO.
HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ABLE TO SPREAD THE WORD, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ONLINE SURVEY GOING ON.
THERE IS NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN, WHEN THAT'S OUT, UM, BE ENGAGED, REVIEW OUR MATERIALS, UM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, COMMUNICATE THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON IN HUDA THAT WE MIGHT NOT ALREADY BE AWARE OF.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRITICAL PIECE.
ELLEN, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
I'M LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, AND IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, IT INDICATES THAT A TOWN HALL WOULD HAPPEN IN JANUARY AND THAT ENDS TOMORROW.
SO THAT THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME UPDATES THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO THAT SCHEDULE.
SO THAT WAS THE, THE ORIGINAL DEFINED SCHEDULE THAT WE WILL HAVE ALREADY MET WITH YOU IN EARLY JANUARY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TOWN HALL AT THE END OF JANUARY.
WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY WHEN IT'S THE MOST OPPORTUNISTIC MEETING.
IT'LL, IT'LL PROBABLY BE IN FEBRUARY, GIVEN OUR LITTLE CONSTRAINT OF TRYING TO GET A DRAFT PLAN IN APRIL.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT'S GONNA HAPPEN SOON.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THE PUBLIC WOULD THAT'S RIGHT.
HOPEFULLY AP, UM, FEBRUARY, JUST PUSHED BACK A MONTH ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE IS VERY TINY WHEN WE UPDATE EVERYTHING, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU ALL GET A COPY OF THAT IN A, IN A LARGER VERSION AS WELL.
AS A QUESTION, MAYBE PRIMARILY FOR STAFF AS THESE SCHEDULING IN A LITTLE SCHEDULE CHART, I LOVE THAT.
UM, CAN, CAN CITY STAFF PROVIDE US UPDATES OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS NOW? I AGREE.
I DON'T THINK DEVELOPERS SHOULD DIRECTLY, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE VETTED THROUGH, THROUGH YOU GUYS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED A WEEKLY OR MONTHLY.
I, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES, MAYBE WE CAN, UM, AS A BOARD CAN BE GIVEN AN UPDATE.
DOES THAT SEEM PLAUSIBLE? YES.
AND IF IT'S NOT, I UNDERSTAND.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL EVERY MEETING TO GET THE RIGHT SCHEDULE TYPE UPDATES.
DE AND SO WE CAN PLAN OUR SCHEDULES AND ALSO KIND OF DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK YES.
UM, HOPEFULLY MOST OTHER DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THE PLAN CAN HAPPEN VIA EMAIL.
REALLY ONLY TWO FORMAL, FORMAL MEETINGS.
UM, ANYTHING WE HAVE, WE'LL PASS TO STAFF AND GET IT TO YOU AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO A QUESTION ON THE SCHEDULE.
YOU MENTIONED THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WOULD IDEALLY BE AVAILABLE IN APRIL, THE DRAFT VERSION FOR REVIEW AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I'M ASSUMING TIMING WISE IS THE REASONING TO TRY TO HAVE THAT READY EARLIER, LIKE YOU MENTIONED IN APRIL, SO IT CAN HELP INFORM THE CIP LIST FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
MOREOVER, IT'S, IT'S, THERE HAS TO BE
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SOME LEVEL OF SIGN OFF ON THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UM, JUST FOR THE, ON THE IMPACT FEE SIDE OF THINGS.SO THAT, THAT PROCESS CAN BE MOVING FORWARD PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE A, A CONSENSUS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND THERE'S A CHA A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT, THAT AFFECTS ALL THE CALCULATIONS THAT GOES INTO THE ROAD.
WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS HERE SHORTLY.
BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE NOTICING, SO IF END OF SEPTEMBER IS THE TARGETED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE UPDATED IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, WELL, THERE HAS TO BE A 30 DAY NOTICE IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
AND BEFORE THAT, UH, THERE HAS TO BE A RESOLUTION BY THE COUNCIL CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD WITHIN 60 DAYS.
SO TO HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT REPORT AVAILABLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, AND, AND WE GOTTA BACK THAT, THOSE THINGS UP BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE GONNA BE WEIGHING IN ON THE IMPACT FEE THAT INFORMS THE REPORT.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE SCHEDULE NO, ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO IT IT'LL BE A QUICK, A QUICK SCHEDULE, UM, KNOW THAT IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL PROCESS MM-HMM.
UM, AND YOUR ROLE IN THAT MATTER WILL BE COMMENTING ON A COUPLE OF KEY COMPONENTS.
AND WE'LL REVIEW THAT HERE SHORTLY ON THE IMPACT FEE SIDE OF THINGS.
THAT, DOES THAT HELP TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS? THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY APRIL KIND OF BECOMES KIND OF A CRITICAL MM-HMM.
NOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE STAR IN APRIL, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
THAT, THAT'S, UH, CAN YOU, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE TARGET WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL SAYING, HERE'S, HERE'S THE DRAFT PLAN, HERE'S THE TECHNICAL THAT WENT INTO THAT.
THIS IS WHY WE DID, WHY WE REVISED YOUR CURRENT NETWORK AND HERE ARE THE KEY AREAS OF CHANGE AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, LOOKS GOOD.
PROCEED FORWARD WITH USING THAT AS A C BASIS FOR YOUR IMPACT.
THESE CIP, THAT'S THE, IT'S THE, UH, UPDATES ON THE GANTT CHART.
THE, THE IMPACT FEE CIP IS VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE MONIES ARE BEING COLLECTED FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN GO TO FUEL THOSE PROJECTS AND ONLY THOSE PROJECTS IN THE IMPACT FEE.
AND SINCE THE IMPACT FEE, CIP IS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON ROAD CORRIDORS, ADDING NEW CAPACITY, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GET THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN PIECE.
WE WILL STILL BE DOING WORK ON OTHER MOBILITY ELEMENTS, THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, THE DESIGN THAT'LL BE OCCURRING PAST APRIL.
BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THAT NETWORK IS TIED DOWN.
AND ONCE WE'RE THERE ON THE NETWORK, THAT KIND OF TURNS US LOOSE ON THE IMPACT FEE.
CIP, BUT MATT IS RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A SEPARATE CIP THAT WORKS BY YOUR CITY FOR ALL OTHER ELEMENTS.
IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON FOR IMPACT FEE PURPOSES.
THIS IS JUST A VERY QUICK SAMPLING, AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH, OF THE TYPES OF ANTICIPATED GROWTH IN HUDU.
WE'LL SHOW THIS MAP AGAIN IN THE IMPACT FEE PORTION, BUT WE WANTED TO SORT OF FLASH IT UP HERE BECAUSE, UM, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT WILL TRANSLATE INTO OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION ACCOMMODATIONS.
UM, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, SCHOOL EXPANSIONS GOING ON, A LOT OF, UH, JOB EXPANSION, EMPLOYMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE THINGS.
AND THEN TONIGHT WE'RE HOPING FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON WHERE OTHER BIG HOTSPOTS ARE.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY GROSS GENERALIZATION, BUT WE WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU ALL, UM, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS UP AND COMING THAT WE SHOULD, THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU GIVE US A TIMEFRAME OF THIS ANTICIPATED GROWTH? ARE WE LOOKING AT 12 MONTHS? ARE WE LOOKING AT TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 20 YEARS? YES.
UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING THE MOBILITY PLAN.
WE'RE LOOKING FIRST AT, UM, 10 YEARS BECAUSE THAT IS THE HORIZON FOR THE IMPACT FEE OKAY.
BUT AS FAR AS THE LIFESPAN OF THE PLAN, MORE OF A 20, 20 YEAR, UM, HORIZON.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUT THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH INTO CONTEXT.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HEY, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
ARE WE LOOKING AT 2040 OR ARE WE LOOKING AT 20, 25 MM-HMM.
AND, AND THIS HERE IS REALLY A GENERALIZATION OF PROBABLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, JUST BY WAY OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IN YELLOW AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE NON, WE REALLY CALL SHOULD HAVE CALLED IT NON-RESIDENTIAL IN THE RED, WHERE IT'S MIXED USE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
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WHERE THOSE HOTSPOTS ARE.'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA HELP INFORM US ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CIP MM-HMM.
TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER IDEA, UM, A GREAT, GREAT TRANSITION.
THE DATA THAT WE'RE USING FROM CAMPO IS A 2045 HORIZON.
UM, AND SO A QUICK REMINDER THAT THE TA ZS THAT CAMPO USES THOSE BOUNDARIES TO CALCULATE ALL OF THEIR, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC ESTIMATES ARE LARGER THAN THE CITY OF HUDU.
WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR THE CITY LIMITS, JUST USING CAMPO DATA.
WE NEED TO DO SOME INTERPOLATION.
UM, BUT THE HORIZON THAT WE USE FROM CAMPO, AND THAT PLAYS INTO THE GROWTH RATES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, THAT IS 2045.
SO THIS IS A QUICK LOOK AT THEIR 2015 EXISTING DATA.
SO THAT'S WELL ESTABLISHED PAST EXISTING NOW, OF COURSE, UH, UP TO 2045, UH, IN TERMS OF GENERAL GROWTH FOR POPULATION, AND THEN A SIMILAR LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT.
UM, WE'LL CREATE MORE DETAILED VERSIONS OF THIS MAP, HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS WILL EVOLVE.
BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR, FOR THE FUTURE POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH.
AND IT, IT REALLY HELPS TO INFORM CIP DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ON THE LEFT, HERE'S WHERE EMPLOYMENT INTENSITY WAS IN 2015.
AND ON THE RIGHT WHERE IT'S ANTICIPATED, ANTICIPATED TO BE, UH, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE DARKER THE COLOR, THE MORE INTENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT POINTS TOWARD OKAY.
LOCATION OF CERTAIN FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE CONTEMPLATING AS PART OF THAT MOBILITY PLAN.
POPULATION ONE IS PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT.
IT'S PEOPLE, RIGHT? UH, EMPLOYMENT DOES THAT FULL-TIME, JOBS TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT
BASIC SERVICE, RETAIL AND, AND ALL BECAUSE OF, THERE'S DIFFERENT TRAVEL CHARACTERISTICS, BASIC BEING INDUSTRIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SERVICE BEING OFFICE, AND THEN RETAIL, OBVIOUSLY BEING RETAIL, BUT THOSE GENERATE TRAFFIC DIFFERENTLY.
SO THIS IS A SYNTHESIS OF TOTAL EMPLOYMENT.
WE'RE GONNA BE BREAKING IT DOWN BY THE CATEGORICAL AREAS BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT IMPACT AS RELATED TO THOSE.
WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA GET QUESTIONS.
UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR BINDER, WE PROVIDED THE EXISTING GOALS OF THE, THE GOALS AND THE EXISTING MOBILITY PLAN THAT WE ARE HOPING TO UPDATE.
UM, THIS IS A QUICK LOOK AT THEM A LITTLE BIT LATER.
THERE'S ALSO THE, ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT FALL UNDER THOSE GOALS.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE, MORE DETAILED.
WE'VE NOTICED THAT, UM, THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL OBJECTIVES, UM, GOALS THAT ARE MEASURABLE, ACTIONABLE, UM, THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO TRACK.
AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD DURING THIS PLAN PROCESS.
BUT AS FAR AS THE EXISTING PLAN AND THE GOALS, UM, WHAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO DO IS RANK THE EXISTING PLAN GOALS IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE FOR YOU.
UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE LARGE MAP, UM, THE LARGE MAPS IN YOUR BINDER, THERE'S A PAGE FOR THAT.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT DURING THE MAPPING MAYBE.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO THAT AS PART OF AN EXERCISE.
BUT WE WANTED TO, TO PRIME YOU WITH THIS.
THE REASON WE BRING UP THESE GOALS, OBVIOUSLY OBJECTIVES ARE ROOTED THROUGH THE GOALS, AND THERE'S CRITERIA WITH THOSE THAT HELPS TO FORM INFORM THE CIP DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE BY WAY OF YOUR GENERALIZATION OF WHAT YOU'RE DESIRING FOR YOUR, FROM YOUR, YOUR MOBILITY PLAN.
IS THERE ANYTHING MISSING? AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE EXERCISE THAT WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IN A MINUTE.
BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW THIS TO YOU.
IT IS KIND OF WETTING THE APPETITE FOR EXERCISE NUMBER TWO.
UH, BUT NUMBER ONE, WE WANTED TO INFORM HOW DOES THIS WHOLE THING IS THIS WHOLE THING PUT TOGETHER.
SO THAT, THAT'S
BUT, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOBILITY PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, MOREOVER, HOW THAT INFORMS THE IMPACT FEE COMPONENT? THERE WILL BE MORE IMPACT FEE DETAILS LATER AS WELL.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION ON IMPACT FEES AND WHY WE DO ALL THAT, BUT FROM A MOBILITY PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR.
SO JUST TRYING TO, UH, SET, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS ON THIS.
UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT MORE TRANSPORTATION LESS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE TRANSPORTATION ON THIS TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAN WE ARE AT BIKE LANES, AT TRAILS,
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AT INTERCONNECTIVITY WITH PEDESTRIAN, UH, MOBILITY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.SO WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE HAVE A STARTING POINT FROM WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ADOPTED, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU ALL ARE HELPING US IDENTIFY AREAS OF THOSE PLANS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T WORKED SO WELL.
SO WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.
AND SO, AS PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN, WE'RE PIECING THOROUGHFARE AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TOGETHER, AS WELL AS OTHER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ON TRANSIT, ON FUTURE TRANSPORTATION CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF TECHNOLOGY ELECTRIFICATION.
ALL THOSE WILL FEED INTO POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT BACK TO THE PLAN PIECE THAT FUELS SOME OF THE CIP PROJECTS.
AND, AND LIKE EXISTING PLAN GOAL NUMBER ONE IS MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.
IF WE'RE FOCUSING MORE ON VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THOROUGHFARES, THEN MAYBE THAT SHOULDN'T BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE FOR THIS.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS EXERCISE, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FOCUSING MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF SAFETY ISSUES.
AND THE NEED FOR, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T ENHANCE OUR MOBILITY NETWORK SO WE'RE NOT STUCK IN THE CAR.
INCLUDING TRAILS AND EVERYTHING'S CORRECT.
THAT THE THOROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS ONLY LOOKING AT ROADWAYS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CLARIFY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS.
UM, THIS MAY BE COVERED LATER, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES AND TRAVEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS IN A LONG-TERM PLAN.
'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY SHORT-TERM GOALS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE NEED TO AMEND OUR GOALS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOMETHING DEALING WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS AND CIRCULATION.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S PROBABLY IN HERE UNDER, UH, WELL CONNECTED MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.
IT COULD BE BURIED AS AN OBJECTIVE UNDER THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES DEALS WITH EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND IT'S A UNIQUE, A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE IN HU AS WE HAVE OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT OUR FIRE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PLANNING, BUT WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED, I KNOW ARE COORDINATED WITH THE CITY OF HU BUT CITY OF HURO DOES NOT HAVE FINAL SAY ON THAT, THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF COVERAGE.
OF THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ELEMENTS.
BUT ONLY RECENTLY, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THEY'VE HAD ONE SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD.
SO OUR ONLY EMERGENCY SERVICE WAS NORTH OF THE RAILROAD.
SO ALL THOSE SERVICES HAD, AND I WOULD SAY TWO THIRDS OF THE LAND IS SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.
AND ALL THOSE SERVICES HAD TO, THE FIRE SERVICES I THINK CAME FROM
THAT THE THIRD GOAL, SAFE AND ACTIVE RESIDENTS, I BELIEVE IN, IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, SORT OF AIMED TO GET AT THAT, BUT REALLY ONLY ENDED UP FOCUSING ON RIGHT.
PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS AND, AND INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A PLACE WHERE WE CAN INTEGRATE THAT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO SOLVE IT HERE, IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUDED.
AND IT, AND THEN WOULD BE SERVICES TAKE CARE OF THAT IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS GROUP.
SO I'M LOOKING AT ALL THE MAPS AND NOT ANY OF THEM REALLY DISCUSS WHAT IS HU ROADS VERSUS WILCO ROADS.
AND I KNOW ONCE WE GET INTO, UM, PUBLIC, UH, TOWN HOME, UH, TOWN HALLS AND STUFF, THAT'S GONNA BE A HUGE CONVERSATION AS PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN WANTING TO FIX ROADS THAT WE TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE A SAY OVER.
AND SO CAN WE ADD MAPS IN THAT? YEAH.
THE, THE, YOUR, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS YOUR FUNCTIONAL BASED NETWORK, ALONG WITH SOME, SOME VISIONARY, UH, ROAD SECTIONS COMPOSITION OF EACH ONE OF THOSE CLASSES OF STREETS.
THAT, THAT'S, UM, AIMED AT HU STREETS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD DEALING WITH ON SYSTEM ROADS THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED BY OTHERS.
SO, UM, I GUESS REALLY, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF AT A POINT OF BUNDLING UP THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GET TO A TWO, TWO QUICK EXERCISES, UM, REGARDING THE, A VISION STATEMENT AND THE, THE GOALS.
BUT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THOUGH AS IT RELATES TO THE MOBILITY PLAN?
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UM, YEAH, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THEM.I'M LOOKING AT THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, THE BIG MAP IN THE BINDER.
I KNOW THERE'S DEFINITELY A PUSHBACK AMONG THE CITIZENS FOR ROUNDABOUTS.
BUT, UM, I DO NOTICE A COUPLE OF THEM ARE ON, UH, MINOR ARTERIALS.
AND I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH A RATIONALE FOR THAT DECISION.
SO THESE WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF YOUR CURRENT PLAN.
THE, THIS IS NOT OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS KIND OF OUR STARTING POINT.
BUT, UH, WE'RE, UM, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, OKAY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE IN PLACE NOW.
WE, WE DROVE OUT THERE MM-HMM.
I THINK ONE OF THEM, UM, ACTUALLY YOU'RE RIGHT.
NO, THERE WAS NO, THE LOWER ONE IS NOT THE ONE, THE NORTHERN ONE.
AND SO, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79, THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER, THERE'S TWO MORE ALONG A ARTERIAL.
AND AS, AS I SAID, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE RATIONALE FOR THE THINKING OF PUTTING ROUNDABOUTS ON ARTERIALS.
SO ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE FORECASTED VOLUME.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND YOU'RE RIGHT AT, ON AN ARTERIAL CLASS STREET, MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT BIGGER FOOTPRINT THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE LARGER.
AND SO WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE TO, TO IMPLEMENT, WE'LL WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UH, NORMAN, OKLAHOMA, UM, AND ON SOME OF THEIR ARTERIAL STREETS IN AND OUT OF OU, THEY, THEY WANTED THOSE IDENTIFIED.
BECAUSE THEY WERE, I'VE, I'VE DRIVEN IN GERMANY AND AUSTRIA AND ROUNDABOUTS ARE GREAT THERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE HERE IN TEXAS, SOME COMMUNITIES ARE ALL ABOUT, UM, SAVING $250,000 IN TRAP IN STREETLIGHT HARDWARE IF WE CAN DO A ROUNDABOUT.
OTHERS ARE JUST NOT READY FOR IT.
SO,
IT SEEMS ACCEPTABLE TO HU WE WANT TO KIND OF EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.
I'LL SAY WHILE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC, THERE IS NO ISSUES WITH ROUNDABOUTS ON ARTERIALS DEPENDING ON THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES BECAUSE RIGHT.
IT ACTUALLY IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S CHEAPER, IT'S SAFER.
THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS, BUT IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THEY'RE VERY STRATEGICALLY PLACED AND TO ALLOW BETTER FLOW.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL COVER, OF COURSE.
LIKE DEFINITELY DON'T PUT ONE NEAR A ROAD CROSSING 'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE.
SO, AND OF COURSE THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS MAP, LAND USE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDED CHANGES, IT WON'T JUST BE, IS THIS AN ARTERIAL? IS IT A COLLECTOR? WHAT ARE, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT STREET? MM-HMM.
UH, SECOND ITEM IS 79 AND 1 32.
WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT INTERSECTION.
THAT IS GOING TO BE TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS THAT SHOULD HAVE A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING.
SO 79, UH, AT THAT EASTERN MOST, UH, I GUESS CARDINAL RED AS OPPOSED TO RED ORANGE, IS THAT PART OF ANOTHER ADOPTED PLAN? THAT IS THE BRIDGE CONCEPT THAT'S GOING IN.
IT'S BEING DESIGNED RIGHT NOW.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF VETTING THAT THIS EXISTING NETWORK NEEDS TO LOOK AT ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMMITTED AND HOW THAT NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT PLAN.
WELL THEN THAT, THAT BRINGS UP FOLLOWING THAT ROAD NORTH UP TO CHANDLER UNIVERSITY, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER MAJOR ARTERIAL.
ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT BEING A SIGNALED CROSSING OR ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT POSSIBLY BEING A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING THAT MATT, I MEAN, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, GENERALLY ARTERIAL CLASS CONNECTIONS OR CROSSINGS WITH ANOTHER ARTERIAL, GENERALLY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL.
NOW WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE VOLUMES AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY THAT NEEDS TO BE, BUT AT A POLICY LEVEL, ANY KIND
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OF MAJOR INTERSECTION, MAJOR ARTERIAL INTERSECTION WITH MAJOR ARTERIAL TRAFFIC CONTROL INTERSECTION AND, AND THOSE WOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS KEY OR CRITICAL INTERSECTIONS FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.WELL, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAYING OUT RIGHT.
AND SO ON DOWN THE LINE ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, PLAN, THEN I THINK MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THESE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS? MM-HMM.
SO LET ME CLARIFY ON THAT ONE.
FOR CHANDLER ROAD, THE COUNTY HAS STARTED WORKING ON A SCHEMATIC.
AND THEIR ULTIMATE THOUGHT, I MEAN, WE JUST STARTED, BUT THEIR ULTIMATE THOUGHT IS THAT CHANDLER ROAD WILL BE A CONTROLLED ACCESS ROADWAY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEIR ULTIMATE DESIGN IS FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
SO WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT EITHER CONNECTION THROUGH RAMPS OR A CONNECTION TO A FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO WOULD THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION ON OUR PART? OR WOULD THAT BE THIS COUNTIES, TO ME THAT LOOKS LIKE RESPONSIBILITY COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR ETJ AND YOUR, OBVIOUSLY YOUR CITY LIMITS.
SO IT, AS PART OF ANY THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WE WANT TO SHOW CONNECTEDNESS WITH REGIONAL NETWORK THAT, THAT IS IN OUR E TJS CHANDLER.
IT'S LABELED AS 1660 RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE SIMILAR TO THE WAY THEY DID THINGS ON LI ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST LOOP.
AGAIN, HAVING ROADS WHERE WE KNOW WHO OWNS AND WHO'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE OF 'EM IS, IS CRITICAL.
AND, AND I'M GLAD SHE BROUGHT UP THAT TIP.
I, I THINK THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT.
I KNOW I'M ALWAYS PUSHING GIS MAPS, WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE CREATED A LOT MORE DIGITAL VERSIONS, BUT I THINK IF THERE'S SURVEYS GOING OUT AND TOWN HALLS AND EVERYTHING, HAVING A VERSION OF THIS, THE EXISTING THAT ACTUALLY HAS THAT OWNERSHIP PIECE WITH EVERY ROAD HAVING IT CLASSIFIED, BUT SOMEHOW SHOWING WHO CURRENTLY OWNS THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC COMING IN SAYING, HEY, WE WANT THIS, THIS, THIS DONE HERE.
WELL YOU DON'T WANT TWO 75% OF THE TIME BE LIKE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN IT, BUT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE 1660 SOUTH RIGHT NOW IS A NIGHTMARE TO DRIVE ON, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S NOT OUR ROAD, SO, OKAY.
BUT WE, I STILL KEEP GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME FROM RIGHT.
SO, UM, I GUESS ONE LAST QUESTION.
THIS IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE WHAT IS OUR ROLE AND, UH, ONLINE SURVEY, I, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THE COMP 2040 SURVEY WAS WELL RECEIVED AND ACTUALLY HAD QUITE A BIT OF INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS.
WE, UM, WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THAT SURVEY.
SO WE PLAN ON MIRRORING THAT STYLE, OBVIOUSLY TAILORING THE QUESTIONS TO WHAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION WE NEED, BUT IT'S, IT'LL BE THE SAME PLATFORM, THE SAME, UM, MECHANISMS FOR FEEDBACK, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WORKED QUITE WELL.
SO IT, WE, WE FOUND THE SOCIAL PINPOINT TO WORK REALLY WELL.
WELL THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAD FOR QUESTIONS.
THE QUESTION I HAVE REGARDING THAT SURVEY IS WHAT IS OUR DEFINITION OF GOOD ENOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO THE DIFFERENT AREAS WITHIN HURO? LIKE HOW MANY SURVEYS DO YOU NEED FROM THIS PARTICULAR SECTION TO CONSIDER THAT GOOD ENOUGH AROUND THE WHOLE CITY? YEAH.
SO THE SURVEY'S NOT GONNA BE A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE ATTITUDINAL TO REALLY HELP WITH ISSUES IDENTIFICATION.
AND THEN WE WILL COMPILE ALL THE RESULTS IN TERMS OF CA BASIC CLASSIFICATION OF SAFETY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, UM, CONGESTION OR MISSING OR MOBILITY LINK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AIMED AT HELPING US FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
QUALITATIVE OVER QUANTITATIVE.
SO SOME IT, SOME COMMUNITIES YOU GET GREAT TURNOUT.
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YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET THE WORD OUT.WE'LL HAVE THE QR CODES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, THE MORE INPUT, THE BETTER.
SO KIOSK THAT REGARDING THIS PLAN, AND I KNOW THIS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT AS THE EXISTING THOROUGH FOR PLAN AND OVER THE NEXT, LIKE YOU SAID, COUPLE MONTHS WE'LL BE PROVIDING UPDATES AND WORKING ON GETTING TO A DRAFT.
UM, WHEN THAT DRAFT IS STARTING TO BE CREATED, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT WILL ALREADY INCLUDE ANY POTENTIAL STATE AND COUNTY LEVEL PREDICTED IMPROVEMENTS AND THEIR POTENTIAL TIMING, HOW IT WOULD AFFECT OUR HORIZON OF 2045.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY KIND OF THE NAME OF THE GAME IN TERMS OF THAT IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF LEVERAGING PROJECTS, UH, THAT'D BE THERE TO THE BENEFIT OF, OF EVERYONE INVOLVED.
SO, UH, BUT WE WILL INCLUDE THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING PLUS COMMITTED, CURRENTLY COMMITTED.
SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR 2045 CAMPO.
I KNOW 20 FIFTY'S GOING ON WILCO'S DOING THEIR THING, BUT BASED ON THEIR ADOPTED PLANS, WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THEN JUST A PROCEDURAL PIECE, I KNOW, UM, UH, MR. HUDSON STARTED TALKING SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ACTUAL SMALL PIECES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
IS THE INTENT TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THOSE NOW? 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN ON HERE, OR IS IT MORE LIKE YOU SAID LATER ON VIA EMAILS OR WHATEVER OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS? WE'D LIKE FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO OVER TO THIS TABLE OR WE PULL THIS TABLE OUT HERE, EXERCISE, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE THE MARKER, THE MAPS JUST ISSUE AND WE JUST GENERALLY RIGHT WHAT IT IS, SAFETY PERFECT.
BY DESIGN, IT'S A BLANK SLATE.
SO WE CAN GET YOUR INPUT AND IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MARK UP THE MAPS THAT ARE HERE IN YOUR BINDER, YOU KNOW, TAKE A PICTURE OF 'EM, SEND THEM TO STAFF, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET COPIES BACK OR GIVE THEM TO US.
WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH NEW COPIES, THAT'S ALSO GREAT.
ACTUALLY, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING WITH THE CRASH, BASICALLY THE HEAT MAP FOR THE CRASHES.
SO THE, REMEMBER THE CHRIS DATA THAT WE HAVE IS THE ACCIDENT DATA FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS RUNNING.
RIGHT? BUT THIS, THIS WAS JUST, UH, LIGHT TIMING AND THE GRADING OF THE ROAD AND THE INTERSECTIONS.
I WANNA SAY WE GOT THAT IN 22, NOT SOUND FAMILIAR, BUT ON SEVEN, ON 79 THEY WERE TALKING LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS A GRADE D BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THESE LIGHTS AND THIS INTERSECTION BECOMES A C IF WE CHANGE, AND IT, IT WAS RELATED TO THE 1660 INTERSECTION, BUT THEY DID IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ED SCHMIDT.
I'LL GO BACK TO OUR OLD FILES AND SEE WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE FOR THAT.
SO, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE A HELPFUL PIECE OF INFORMATION COUPLED WITH THE CRASH HEAT MAP.
YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, YESTERDAY I COULD SEE FROM ED SCHMIDT TO 1660 SOUTH EASTBOUND, JUST A SOLID MASS OF TRAFFIC AT FOUR 30.
THAT SHOULD IMPACT THE HEAT MAP.
THERE MAY NOT BE ANY CRASHES, BUT IT CERTAINLY SHOULD INFORM OUR INFRAS, OUR THOROUGHFARE PLANNING.
WE'D LOVE, WE'D LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND ON THAT ONE.
ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON MOBILITY PLAN.
UH, ON PAGE, WE HAVE SOME, THE FIRST PAGE IS REALLY KIND OF AN AGENDA OF KIND OF THE ITEMS WE WERE GONNA BE COVERING TODAY, BUT SEC IN THE SECOND AND THIRD PAGE ARE REALLY SOME TRAFFIC PROFILE BASED ON SOME OF THE ESRI BUSINESS ANALYST KIND OF DATA KIND OF JOBS, UH, UH, COMMUTE TIMES, UM, THOSE THAT DRIVE IN ALONE VERSUS TRANSIT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
MORE STATISTICAL STUFF FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT.
WE WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL AS PART OF THAT.
BUT ON THE FOURTH, I THINK IT'S THE FOURTH PAGE.
THERE'S TWO DISCUSSION ITEMS, DISCUSSION AND EXERCISE.
UM, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU GET TO THAT, THAT PAGE THERE AND, AND IT'S, IT SAYS EXISTING MMP VISION STATEMENT AT THE TOP THERE.
LEMME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE THAT THERE,
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JIM.SO WHAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS, AND I'LL JUST READ THE STATEMENT AND JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, FIRST GLANCE, I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR EXISTING VISION STATEMENT.
IT'S A LITTLE, UM, IT DOES NOT INCORPORATE ANY COMMENTS FROM YOUR SOAR 2045, BUT WE WANNA CAPTURE IF THERE'S ANY MISSING PIECES TO IT.
SO THE THE VISION STATEMENT READS THAT THE DESIGN OF TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE PROMOTES SAFE, COMFORTABLE TRAVEL SHOWS RESPECT FOR THE CITY'S RESOURCES, ALL TRANSPORTATION MODES FLOW SMOOTHLY AND SAFELY TO AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, VISITORS, AND PEOPLE OF ALL PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL CONDITIONS.
CONNECTIVITY FACILITATES TRAVEL BETWEEN AND WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS, IF WE'RE WALKING AND BIKING ENVIRONMENTS, COMPLEMENT DEVELOPMENT.
JUST BY WAY OF JUST FOR TWO MINUTES HERE, ARE THERE ANY KEY THEMES OR THOUGHTS THAT YOU FEEL ARE MISSING FROM THIS? WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF SEEN A FEW, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SHARE THAT
FULL, FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS ON THE 2018 MASTER MOBILITY PLAN.
AND THIS WAS, THIS STATEMENT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE CONSULTANTS, RIGHT.
WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE.
THE INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE WAS DISCARDED.
WELL, SO THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE.
UH, SO NOW WE KNOW THAT THIS IS MAYBE NOT THE TRUE VISION OF THE ORIGINAL, WHAT YOU HAD I DO AT HOME SOMEWHERE.
SO, UM, MAYBE MR. CLARK, IF WE COULD START WITH YOU THEN.
NOW LOOK AT THESE THINGS, NOT THOSE THINGS.
SO PARISHIONER
UH, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE ISSUES COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND US AS FAR AS CROSSWALKS AND HOW TO SIGNALIZE THEM AND MAKE THEM SAFE.
SIDEWALKS, THESE ARE PEDESTRIAN THINGS.
I THINK A LOT OF THAT WAS NOT CAPTURED IN THE 2018 VISION.
UM, IF I COULD REALLY QUICKLY, UM, TO BE FAIR, WE CAN ALSO DISCARD A VISION STATEMENT.
IT IS MEANT TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, VISIONARY AND, BUT IF THAT ISN'T SERVING A USEFUL PURPOSE, IF WE NEED TO GET RIGHT TO GOALS, OBJECTIVES, ACTIONABLE THINGS, UM, AND THE VISION STATEMENT REALLY FOR YOU ALL IS MORE OF A FIGUREHEAD.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT DOING ITS JOB.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THAT OVERARCHING STATEMENT, THIS READS AS A VERY NICE VISION STATEMENT, BUT I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT IT BEING SUBSTANTIAL.
AND SO LUCKILY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET INTO THAT IN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER THREE, SAFE AND ACTIVE RESIDENTS.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? MM-HMM.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE GOALS NOW, NOT THE VISION STATEMENT.
WELL, I THINK THE VISION STATEMENT I'M STATEMENT AS IS, IS FINE.
WE NEED TO GET INTO THE GOALS AND MAKE THEM ACTIONABLE, MEASURABLE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, RIGHT? WHERE YOU CAN DETERMINE, YES, DID WE ACHIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE OR NOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
I, I'M JUST SAYING THAT OUR VISION STATEMENT SHOULD LEAD TO ACTIONABLE GOALS.
I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, SAYING IT'S, WE WANT TO, OUR GOAL, OUR VISION IS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS.
WHY DO WE NEED THAT IN A VISION STATEMENT, RIGHT? SO I SAY WE LEAVE THE VISION STATEMENT AS IS AND REDIRECT THE FOCUS ON THE GOALS.
BECAUSE THAT'S ACTIONABLE ACTION, RIGHT? SO,
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PREVIOUS VISION STATEMENT HERE, IT WASSO LET'S GO THEN TO THE EXERCISE GOAL AREAS, TOPICAL AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO WE HAVE, UH, EQUITABLE BALANCED, WELL-CONNECTED MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, THE EFFICIENT TRAVEL.
LET'S, LET'S THINK OF THE GOALS PER SE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE WANT, WE WANT TO INCORPORATE MM-HMM.
SEE, UH, RESILIENT TRANSPORTATION FOR PROSPEROUS, PROSPEROUS AND COMPETITIVE ECONOMY.
SO ECONOMIC BENEFITS IN THERE.
WHAT ABOUT LIKE, UM, AND WE KIND OF HAVE FISCAL STEWARDSHIP IN, UM, COORDINATED, BUT WE DON'T SAY IT RIGHT? YOU GOT SOME EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND WE NEED TO REALLY LEVERAGE IN TERMS OF FISCAL STEWARDSHIP.
SOME OF THE, THE DIRECTIVES THERE WERE CONTEXT IN NATURE CONSIDERING LAND USE.
UM, UM, LAND USE IS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION PROCESS.
UH, AND THEN QUALITY OF LIFE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE? AND, AND MAYBE ALL THOSE ARE IN, IN THE, THE SOAR 2045 HAS A GREAT VISION STATEMENT, SO WE'RE GONNA BE PULLING FROM THERE.
2040 ALSO HAS GREAT, UM, METRICS FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE.
AND EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE LAID OUT AS MORE OF AN OUTLINE AT THE END OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE CAN USE THOSE, CARRY THEM FORWARD AND CREATE MORE ACTIONABLE GOALS HERE.
SO LUCKILY THAT ALREADY EXISTS, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND WE, WE DEFINITELY WORKED RIGHT, RIGHT ON THAT STUFF.
SO THAT'S EVEN GOING BACK IF LATER IN THE PROCESS, ANY OF YOU WANNA REINFORCE THIS METRIC WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, THIS METRIC, MAYBE WE WOULD, WE WOULD AMEND.
UM, AS LONG AS THERE'S STILL ALIGNMENT WITH THAT PLAN, THAT'S ALSO VERY VALUABLE FEEDBACK.
IF YOU'D ALSO NEED TIME TO SIT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND WOULD LIKE TO MARK MARK THESE UP ON YOUR OWN, SEND THEM BACK TO STAFF, THAT'S GREAT TOO.
WHILE WE'RE HERE, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN LET US KNOW AS WELL.
WELL, SINCE WE'RE DIVING INTO 'EM A LITTLE BIT TO GOAL FIVE.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRANSIT SERVICE AND AMENITIES, WE REALLY HAVE ALMOST NONE AT THE MOMENT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FAR AS TRANSIT, RIGHT? ONE RURAL BUS.
UM, SO WHEN WE HAVE OBJECTIVES SUCH AS LOCATE TRANSIT STOPS, I MEAN THAT'S GOOD, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW WE'RE GROWING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LOCATION OF STOPS BEING SAFE, ENCOURAGE, UH, THE COVERAGE I GUESS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IN THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE GROWTH AND HOW WE CAN WORK THAT GROWTH WITH OTHER GROUPS TO ADDRESS IT.
BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D EVEN LOOKED AT A TRANSIT OPTION WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECT CO-OP TO DOWNTOWN TO FRITZ.
THAT THAT SMALL PIECE NEEDS SOME KIND OF ALMOST TRANSIT OPTION TO HELP MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE A LOCAL INTERNAL TRANSIT POTENTIALLY VERSUS A REGIONAL TRANSIT OPTION.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE THAT, BUT SOME WAY TO KIND OF INCORPORATE THAT.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN LOCATE TRANSIT STOPS WHERE IT MIGHT BE SAFE AND CONVENIENT IN THEORY, BUT IF WE AREN'T SEEING DEMAND FOR TRANSIT SERVICES THERE, THAT MIGHT NOT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
IS THAT, DOES THAT GET AT YOUR POINT? I THINK THAT'S PART OF MY POINT.
I THINK IT'S ALSO JUST SINCE WE'RE STARTING WITH NOTHING MM-HMM.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE GROWTH AREAS AFTER WE'VE KIND OF VALIDATED THOSE GROWTH AREAS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE IN THE RIGHT ORDER AS WE'RE FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE ADDING TRANSIT.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA ADD, LIKE, UH, LIGHT RAIL IMMEDIATELY IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
IF EVER, SO LIKE WE, WE REALLY NEED TO ASSESS WHERE THE NEED IS GREATEST FIRST BASED ON DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
AND THEN I WOULD ALMOST WANNA SEE A TIE INTO THE REST OF THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WITH THE TRANSIT PIECE.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE PROVIDING TRANSIT IN SOME AREAS FOR MORE LOCAL ALLEVIATION,
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THAT MIGHT MINIMIZE THE NEED FOR SOME OF YOUR ROADS TO BE MORE ROBUST IN THOSE AREAS.FOR EXAMPLE, ALONG THE 79 CORRIDOR OR EVEN THE, UM, CHANDLER CORRIDOR IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY PLAN TO SOMEHOW PUT SOME KIND OF TRANSIT THAT'S FOLLOWING THAT CORRIDOR, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED AS MUCH OF A ROBUST EXPANSION ON THE ROADWAY.
SO, SO IN THE SURVEY, CAN WE ASK, IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING FROM HOME AND YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE PART OF THAT GROUP, THAT'S ONE PERSON IN A CAR.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING FROM TO LIKE, WHAT'S, YOU'RE A TO B BECAUSE HOW FAR ARE YOU TRAVELING? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE STAYING WITHIN HURO, THE APPROACH MIGHT BE DIFFERENT VERSUS IF YOU'RE GOING INTO SOUTH AUSTIN EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THE WAY WE'VE PHRASED THAT ON SURVEYS IN THE PAST, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, IS USUALLY A, YOU KNOW, SELECT THE BEST ONE THAT APPLIES.
I, I WORK IN HURO, BUT I LIVE OUTSIDE OF HURO.
I LIVE IN HUDU, BUT I WORK OUTSIDE OF HURO.
UM, THAT USUALLY GIVES US A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING, UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S TRIPS IN AND TRIPS OUT.
NOT NECESSARILY, THAT'S KIND OF AS SMALL AS WE NEED TO GET TO GET AN IDEA OF THAT.
BUT THE ANSWER IS YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY CREATE, UM, A SURVEY QUESTION FOR THAT TO GAUGE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO EXPAND ON THAT QUESTION.
THAT WOULD BE SOME GOOD DATA TO GET TO UNDERSTAND.
AND EVEN IF IT'S DISTANCE BASED, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
EVEN IF IT'S LIKE, OR DIRECTION, I GO OUTSIDE OF HUDU AND I TRAVEL ONLY 10 MILES TO WORK VERSUS 30 MILES TO WORK.
BUT LIKE, I, I WOULD RATHER KNOW THAT THEY'RE DRIVING TO PFLUGERVILLE OR TO SOUTH AUSTIN OR TO TAYLOR.
BECAUSE THEN IF WE HAVE A RIGHT, IF 90% OF OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TOWARDS AUSTIN, THEN WE NEED TO PUT THAT FOCUS THAT WAY.
BUT IF WE HAVE IT 25% GOING TO TAYLOR, 25% GOING TO ROUND ROCK, THEN WE DO NEED TO ABSORB MORE OF A BROAD MM-HMM.
SO I KNOW WE NO, I AGREE WITH THAT.
I KNOW WE CAN GET SOME BASE DATA FROM THE CENSUS, UH, FOR THE, THE TRIPS WITHIN THE AREA COMING FROM OUT TO WITHIN.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SUMMARIZED, BUT THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF AVAILABLE AND THE DIRECT GENERAL DIRECTION THEY'RE COMING FROM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR, UH, NEXT GO AROUND THOUGH.
EXCEPT I, AND, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG WITH THIS.
THE PROBLEM IS THOUGH, THE CENSUS DATA WAS FROM 2020, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR LATEST AND GREATEST AT THIS POINT AND ALMOST NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE OF GROWTH
SO I COULD SEE THAT AS BENEFICIAL.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY HERE.
UM, SLIGHT, SLIGHT CHANGE ON GOAL FOUR.
THIS IS ONE THING WE'VE LOOKED AT AS PLANNING AND ZONING IS CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, FENCED OFF, WALLED OFF, ET CETERA.
AND YOU'VE GOTTA GO OUT TO A ARTERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GO AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT YES.
TO GET TO THE CORNER STORE OR GAS STATION OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK ADDING ACCESSIBILITY, NOT NOT A DA ACCESSIBILITY, BUT ACTUAL ACCESSIBILITY OF NEIGHBORHOOD USE BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS.
RETAIL CENTERS THERE, THERE WAS KIND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
CALL IN ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES.
IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF THERE, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE CALLING IT OUT.
SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME STUFF IN THERE, BUT YEAH.
BUT COMMUNITY DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT 'CAUSE RIGHT.
HIS POINT IS MORE NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE WE HAVE SOME, A LOT OF PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE COMING UP NOW THAT ARE GATED MM-HMM.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND THEN ALSO CONNECTIVITY FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE CLOSEST, UH, MULTI-USE TRAIL AS PART OF THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN, I THINK IS THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOT DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN THAT ARE SERVED BY THE FUTURE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP AND THAT'S IT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT FRONTAGE ROAD, BUT
WE, WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ON THAT WHOLE ROAD
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YEAH.UM, ANY OTHER JUST HIGH LEVEL THOUGHTS HERE? UM, SO GOAL TWO AS WE'RE TALKING.
SO I SEE A LOT OF VERBIAGE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC ROADS SUCH AS FM 6 85, HIGHWAY 79.
I THINK IT'S OKAY TO PUT SPECIFIC ROADWAYS IN THERE, BUT I THINK WITH THE GROWTH GOING EAST, WE REALLY NEED TO INCLUDE SOUTHEAST LOOP IN THAT VERBIAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, AS ANOTHER OPTION.
UM, NOT AS REALLY THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, BUT MAKING SURE AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTRIBUTING THE LOAD OR, UM, AS ANOTHER MAJOR, UH, AS ANOTHER MAJOR ARTERIAL.
BECAUSE ONCE THAT EVENTUALLY MAYBE COMES, UM, THE GROWTH ALONG THERE WILL BE VERY RAPID.
UM, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED.
I THINK IN GOAL SIX WE MAY WANT TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT PLANNING FOR ALTERNATIVES.
IF THERE IS A CRASH AT CHRIS KELLY AND 79 THAT IS GOING TO ESSENTIALLY DESTROY EAST WEST TRAFFIC THROUGH HUDU, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? DO WE PLAN FOR THAT OR DO WE LET PEOPLE JUST YEAH.
WING IT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT TIE IN WITH THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
THAT'S EXACTLY, THERE'S AN CORRIDOR THAT AN EAST KEY EAST, WEST CORRIDOR THERE, THERE'S A KEY EAST WEST AND THEN THERE SHOULD BE ONE OR TWO ALTERNATE EAST WESTS.
AND SAME WITH THE NORTH SOUTH AS WELL.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A KEY NORTH SOUTH AND ALTERNATE NORTH SOUTH AND WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE AND PUT PRIORITY UPON DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE.
I THINK I'M, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M READING 2D WHERE'S TALKING ABOUT DISTRIBUTING TRAVEL INFORMATION TO MOTORISTS.
UM, ONE, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE GETTING TO, AT LEAST ON MY INTERPRETATION IS MORE INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM TYPE STUFF, WHICH IS GOOD.
BUT I THINK THAT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT ADDRESS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, FINDING METHODS WHERE IF THERE ARE ISSUES OR CLOSURES OR CONSTRUCTION OR CRASHES MM-HMM.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BLAST OUT WHATEVER MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY TO NOW TAKE THIS ALTERNATIVE NORTH-SOUTH.
I, I GET, I GET ALERTS BLASTED ONTO MY NAVIGATION ON MY CAR ABOUT, OH HEY PACS BACKED UP OR WHATEVER.
YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE LIGHT AT UH, 79 AND UH, CHRIS KELLY BEFORE YOU REALIZE THERE'S A TRAIN STOPPED ON THE TRACKS AND THEN YOU'RE STUCK THERE FOREVER.
WELCOME TO THE NEXT TWO HOURS OF YOUR LIFE IN THIS IS ALL VERY VALUABLE AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA CONTINUE RECEIVING THROUGHOUT THE STUDY.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, SINCE I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S EVENINGS, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND GIVE YOU ALL THE OPTION.
WE, WE BROUGHT LARGE MAPS WITH STICKY NOTES AND MARKERS.
UM, YOU CAN COME DOWN
MAINLY WHERE GROWTH AREAS ARE HAPPENING, SAFETY ISSUES, CONNECTIONS.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN.
OR WE CAN DEVELOP A MINI VERSION OF THAT GIVE TO YOU ALL, HAVE YOU ALL MARK UP THESE PAGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND SEND THEM BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF ANALYZE.
UM, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE IMPACT FEE PORTION.
SO THE QUESTION IS MAP OR NO MAP ACTIVITY.
I'LL ALSO KIND OF LOOK TO STAFF, BUT WANNA CHECK WITH YOU ALL ON WHERE YOU'RE STANDING HERE.
I WILL PERSONALLY THROW OUT BECAUSE I'M A GEEK FOR THAT
NOT JUST 'CAUSE WE ALL GET TO USE MARKERS, BUT I THINK BETWEEN, THAT'S A BENEFIT I THINK BETWEEN ALL OF US ACTUALLY STANDING AROUND TOGETHER TALKING MM-HMM.
LIKE, I THINK THERE'S BIG BENEFIT THAT WE'LL EACH WORK OFF OF EACH OTHER.
'CAUSE WE DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT UP HERE ALREADY TO SAY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CORRIDOR, WE'RE STARTING TO MARK UP AND BE LIKE, OH NO, NO, NO, ACTUALLY THIS.
AND SO I WOULD SEE BENEFIT FROM THAT.
I WOULD LIKE BOTH TO, WELL, YEAH.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE DO THE 15, 20 MINUTE THING NOW.
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THAT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A WORKING DOCUMENT.BUT I MEAN, SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF BOTH, BUT I DO AGREE WITH BRIAN AND YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH JIM ON THE, LET'S DO BOTH BECAUSE, UM, THREE 30 TOMORROW MORNING I'M GONNA GET UP AND GO, OH, WHAT ABOUT THIS? UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, I'M STILL GETTING THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK'S P AND Z TOGETHER.
IT'S NOT VERY LARGE AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE SAID WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA.
IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN, UM, WE CAN HAVE AN ITEM ON THAT SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AMONGST YOURSELVES BECAUSE IT'S ON AN AGENDA.
I SECOND THE MOTION FROM ASHLEY.
WE CAN ALWAYS FOLLOW UP ON TUESDAY AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
WE CAN SORT OF RECESS TO THE MAPS.
Y'ALL TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE COME BACK IN ABOUT 15, 20 MINUTES AND MOVE ON TO THE IMPACT FEE PORTION.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THAT? DOES THAT WORK? OKAY, GREAT.
UM, I WILL GIVE A REALLY QUICK INTRODUCTION.
WE HAVE THESE CATEGORIES OF CONNECTIONS, SAFETY AND GROWTH ON THESE DIFFERENT COLORED STICKY NOTES.
HOPEFULLY TO GUIDE YOUR THINKING.
BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS, THINGS YOU WANNA ADD, PLEASE, UM, KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT.
I ALREADY THANK YOU ALL JUST HERE.
NOW WE NEED, NOW ALL WE NEED IS TO GET SETH TO PUT ALL THIS IN GIS ASHLEY, ALL WE NEED TO DO NOW IS GET SETH TO PUT ALL OF THIS IN GIS AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
ONCE IT'S A, ONCE THE MOBILITY MASTERMIND PLAN, WHATEVER, MEETING THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
CAN WE SET A TIMER? WOULD YOU ALL LIKE FOR US TO SET A TIMER? OH, MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
BECAUSE IT'LL BE AN HOUR KNOWING OUR GEEK OVER HERE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS ALL IN GOOGLE.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ROAD FIRST.
SO WHATEVER MARK THE SCHOOL, I LET JUST SAY LET'S MARK IT HERE, WHATEVER THE SCHOOL IS.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT BUT IT IS A LONG, ITS A 1560.
IT'S IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY.
ELEMENTARY NUMBER NINE FROM FEDERAL ISD.
I KNOW IT'S DOWN, BUT IT'S OFF.
IS IT IN THE CITY LIMITS? OUTSIDE.
IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS AND IT'S ROAD.
I HONESTLY THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE FUTURE, SOMETHING SUPPOSED GOING 90 MILES AN HOUR ALL DAY LONG.
AND IT'S GOING SOUTH OF HERE IN BETWEEN.
WHENEVER I CAN JUST SQUEEZE IN A MOMENT.
I KNOW IT'S, I JUST KNOW IT'S LIKE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE SUPPOSED BE, TELL ROXANNE, I'M LIKE, YOU GOTTA GIVE BREAK.
I THINK IT, MY ANGELS LIKE, I CAN TAKE UP TWO THAT'S RIGHT OVER HERE.
WELL THAT'S 16, 20 RIGHT HERE.
AND THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE IS, IS IT THE LOCATION ON AN ARTERIAL VERSUS A COLLECTOR? AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE STUDENTS GETTING TO THAT LOCATION? THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO A NEW ONE IN THAT MUD.
WELL YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CHECK VOICEMAILS WHEN YOU'RE AROUND BECAUSE I'LL GET THE EMAIL SAYING I'VE GOT A VOICEMAIL, BUT IF I CLICK ON IT WHEN I'M AT HOME, NOTHING HAPPENED.
I'M LIKE, OR I HAVE TO LOG ON FOR A FEW MINUTES AND GO INTO, I MEAN GRANTED, MOST OF THE TIME THESE PEOPLE JUST CALL SAY, HEY, THIS IS SO, SO I NEED TO TALK TO YOU.
AND I DON'T CALL BACK ANYWAY 'CAUSE I CLEARLY SPEAK IN MY VOICEMAIL.
LEAVE ME A DETAILED MESSAGE TELLING ME WHAT YOU WANT TALK ABOUT AND I'LL RETURN TO YOUR CREDIT HONESTLY FINE SOMEWHERE AND TELL WE'RE CONNECTIVITY THAT ELEMENT.
SO MY GUESS IS THE SCHOOL IS PART OF THIS MUD THAT'S PART OF A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THEMSELVES CAME TO THE, BUT THEY CAME TO THE MEETING AND THEN WE WERE LEFT.
HEY, HOW ARE YOU GONNA CONNECT ALL THIS? AND THEY, THEY'RE LIKE, AND THAT'S OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM,
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SCHOOL BOARD.ARE THEY REALLY GONNA BUILD A SCHOOL WITH NOTHING TO IT? THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE
SO THE DEVELOPER DID ALREADY HAVE A PLANE TO CONNECT IT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WHEN WE ASKED HIM ABOUT THE ROAD GOING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER IT GOT TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE'RE LIKE, THIS ROAD IS TERRIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS WOULD THESE CONNECTIVITY, SO IS IT CONNECTIVITY TO 1660 OR IS IT YES, THE BUS IS GOING TO COME FROM HERE.
THE SCHOOL BUS IS GOING TO COME FROM HERE.
IT'S GONNA HIT ONE OF THE CHOKE POINTS.
OH GOD, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY CHILD.
THAT'S A GOOD SCHOOL BUS DRIVER.
TEXAS OR THE SOUTH I 20 MINUTES.
I KNOW THESE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S, BUT THIS IS A, THIS ROAD IS A POTENTIAL BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAVE FUNDING AND RIGHT NOW IT HAS NO FUNDING.
THIS WAS A CODE THEY LOST, THEY LOST ALL THEIR FUNDING THAT THEY WERE PACKED FOR IT.
SO THEN THAT MEANS THEN NEW SCHOOL GETS BUILT, MOBILITY QUARTER HAPPENS WHENEVER.
THAT MEANS ACCESSIBILITY HAPPENS FROM HERE.
BECAUSE THEY PUT IT INTO A BOND WITH OTHER PROJECTS TO GET IT TO PASS.
AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECTS ENDED UP COSTING MORE.
SO THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT WAS EARMARKED FOR THIS TO FIX THAT PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FOR IMPACT.
CONCERNS ON, THAT'S JUST BIG OBVIOUS.
WE'RE PUTTING WHAT IS THE MEGA SITE? SO THE MEGA SITE IS THIS CHUNK OF LAND RIGHT HERE.
WE'LL DO MARKUP HUNDRED SOMETHING.
SO IT'S OWNED BY THE EDC RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE WORKING ON ADDING SOME, UM, AND THE ONLY THING THEY'RE ADDING RIGHT NOW IS ONE SPINE ROAD THAT'S GONNA COME TO THAT RIGHT HERE SCAN.
THAT'S JUST GONNA COME STOP THERE.
SO MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, IS AS WE'RE DOING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, YEAH, I'M GONNA STOP, WE'LL GET THE BAR TO YOU.
THIS WAY, UM, WE'RE DOING A MOBILITY PLAN AS THEY EXPAND THAT, ONE OF THE FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS ON THOROUGHFARE.
HOW ARE WE COORDINATING THE, THE REST OF THE MOBILITY PIECE COMING BETWEEN LIKE CONSISTENTLY TRAILS MASTER PLAN HAPPENING, RAILS MASTER PLAN THAT EXISTS.
THERE'S NO OTHER MAJOR EAST WEST HAPPENING AND THERE'S NO OTHER 79 SHARED PATH EXISTING.
THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE APPROVED SIDEWALK.
THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE, WHICH ARE BOTH OVERPASSES WITH EVENTUALLY RAMPS.
YOU HAVE ALL THAT DATA TO, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE 1 32 BECAUSE THAT'S EVEN ON THIS IS THE ONLY MAJOR EAST PLUS.
SO JUST SOMETHING THAT INCLUDED THIS KIND OF TIES IN WITH, IN YOUR PREVIOUS PLAN, SHOWING FURNITURE ON BEHALF OF THE PRIVATE ENTITY.
HOW DOES THAT, IS THAT JUST, WAS THAT JUST VISIONARY OR DID THE PRIVATE ENTITY SAY, WELL YOU'RE BUILDING FURNITURE ROADS IF ONE OF 'EM YOU GOT BUILT.
IS THAT HOW THAT CUT? YEAH, FROM HERE TO HERE.
WHAT WAS THAT? SOMETHING LIKE A ROAD.
WELL, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE IMPACT FEES CAN ALSO PAY FOR THOSE 13 MILLION ALSO INCLUDED ENTRANCES TO ONE 30.
SO HOW ARE WE IMPLEMENTING THE OTHER PIECE OF THE MOBILITY, WHICH IS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS? I UNDERSTAND THAT WE PROBABLY CAN'T THE IMPACT FEE AND THAT WAS NOT AS BIG A CONCERN.
BUT THE SIDEWALKS IS A CONCERN BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT IN C WHICH DETERMINES THE 13 MILLION BUCKS THAT CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.
WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT ELEMENT, INCLUDING THE INITIAL ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT.
I I THOUGHT THIS WOULD, THIS PART WAS THE 13TH.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WHY DO THIS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHY MY OPINION BECAUSE THEY'RE RESIDENT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OLD THOUGH.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO FIGURE OUT WE DON'T, THERE'S, IT CONNECTS ON THAT SIDE SO IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED, I MEAN THAT'S, I CHOOSE TO PAY THE CENTS.
THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THIS BRIDGE.
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DON'T.SO THIS IS PROBABLY, I'M GONNA SAY $65 MILLION TO VERSUS PAYING 85 CENTS.
THIS ONE I CAN SEE A LOT MORE OF A OF A, ESPECIALLY AS THIS.
RIGHT? BUT ALSO, I MEAN I TRY TO GO OVER HERE TO TAKE, TO GO GET MY NEPHEW FROM THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE SIDEWALK GAP AND THERE'S NO LIGHTS.
AND SO RED GREEN THAT SAYS WE EITHER HAVE A SIDEWALK.
SO BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, WELL IF WE'RE GONNA ADD TRAILS IS THIS IS GONNA OUT PIECE CURRENTLY PARK IS DOING, WHICH IS LIKE THIS IS YOUR THEY'RE DOING A THEY'RE DOING PARKS ON THE YEAH.
BUT WELL THE POINT IS, IS THAT THE TRAILS SHOULD SOME POINT CONNECT UP THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE IT'S AN OVERALL MOBILITY.
AND SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT MOBILITY PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A WALKING NINE SIDEWALK PROJECTS GENERATOR.
AND SO, BUT IT'S PART OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.
IT LISTS OUT LIST P ONE, P TWO, P THREE, THAT IS THEIR FIRST SCREEN.
S ONE, S TWO, S3 FOR SHARED USE.
IT SAYS WHERE THEY ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND SO LIKE THAT SHOULD BE LISTED.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IS GONNA CREATE FROM, THAT'S GONNA CREATE A HUNDRED OR 500 SUPPORT INDUSTRIES THAT ARE GONNA BE LOCATED FROM LOUISVILLE, BROWN ROCK AND TAYLOR.
AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET THERE IF WE DON'T HAVE OUT.
IS THAT PART OF ANY KIND OF PLAN? NO.
NO, BUT BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE AN A DA TRANSITION PLAN IN FRONT AND THEY'RE GONNA DESTROY BECAUSE THEY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE SIDEBAR AND THEY'RE WANTING TO DO A D TRANSIT MATERIAL.
WE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND THEY'RE INVESTING $100 BILLION PER OKAY.
IT'S APPARENTLY SIX TIMES THE SIZE OF THE TESLA BUILDING DOWN BY AND THAT'S A 10 YEAR PLAN.
I MEAN THAT'S NICE IN THAT YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR EMPLOYER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE STABILITY.
WE'RE NOT, THEY'RE ALREADY ASKING ABOUT IT.
YOU'LL GET THE ROOFTOPS, WE'LL GET THE ADDITIONAL BUSINESS.
OKAY, SO IS THERE A MORE TORY ON GROWTH THERE, BUT THE WHOLE THING, I DON'T WANNA BE, I DON'T WANNA JUST BE A COMMUNITY.
THE ONLY DE AND THAT IS GONNA IMPACT TRAFFIC FUTURE.
WASTEWATER AS THIS SAMSUNG? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE IMPACT FEE IS FOR NEWLY CREATED IMPACTS TO THE SYSTEMS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM ALREADY THEN, RIGHT.
WHICH IS WHY WE DOT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER CONNECTION.
I'M JUST SAYING 10 YEAR HAVE TO GO BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
SO ANY OF ANY OF THOSE GONNA SUPPORT THESE ELECTRONICS? WE HAVE THAT.
THE ONE THAT'S THE HU OHIO, IT WAS HU CALLED SOMETHING HU SOMETHING.
I'LL SEE AND THAT EXHIBIT, SHOULD I BE OVER THERE OVERSEEING IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY TELLING, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME WITH 1 0 1, BUT ALWAYS NEEDING IN WE'RE PLAN IT ALL RIGHT NOW THIS, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT EXISTENT PLANNING EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
THIS IS GOING THINK OF THIS THING RESIDENTIAL.
SO HOPEFULLY ALL THAT'S IN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THREE MINUTES, ET CETERA ABOUT, I TRIED TO GO LIGHTNING ROUND, BUT WE GOT, WE'VE GOT ABOUT COMING.
SO WE'VE GOTTA START DEVELOPING PARALLEL TO CHANDLER.
SO WE MOBILITY, WE HAVE MAIN HIPPO.
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AND THAT'S GONNA DIP DOWN THROUGH MY DO.I THINK IT GOES THROUGH THE MONTH.
SO WHEN, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT EAST, WEST ALTERNATES.
HERE'S ONE EAST, WEST A TO THIS.
BUT WE ALSO PEARL STERN IS ON THE HOW HOW AS AN A D ENGINEER, CAN YOU SEPARATE THESE THINGS BETWEEN THOROUGH AND NORTH SOUTH? YEAH.
CAN ALMOST CONSIDER THEM SEPARATE.
SO THAT WILL LOOK AT EMERGENCY.
BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THIS THAT COMES THROUGH OUR, WE'RE THINKING BIG CONSTANTLY GUYS.
RIGHT? WHAT IS LIVE OAK? WHAT IS THAT? OAK? OH, LIVE OAK.
LIVE OAK IS GONNA, IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY.
YEAH, THAT'S, WAIT, ISN'T THIS KIND OF OFFSET HERE? DO WE NEED TO FIX THAT LIVE? HAVE TO BE MORE AN GO HERE.
TRYING ALL THE WAY I'VE SEEN THOSE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE FIX, THAT'S WAY TO DOUBLE PEANUT.
ARE ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR? FAMILIAR WHAT YOU WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE ARE, ARE THIS LENDING, ZONING COMMISSION, ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH YOUR TERRA CARE PLAN? SO LIKE THERE'RE, I'LL SEND IT BACK YOUR, SO I WOULDN'T SAY I'VE ONLY BEEN ON YEARS.
OKAY, WELL WE'LL GET THIS OUT TO YOU GUYS.
SO SOME OF THESE MIGHT ANSWER EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY IN NORTH SOUTH BECAUSE WHEN WE SAW IT WE THOUGHT YOU GUYS, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD NETWORK THAT YOU CREATED.
MAYBE A LITTLE TWEAKING HERE AND THERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE DIDN'T HIT, WE HAVEN'T HIT SAFETY ISSUES.
GIVE GIMME THE TOP THREE SAFETY ISSUES CROSSING 7, 9 79.
YOUR HEAT MAP BEARS IT UP THERE AND THERE.
ANY, ANY COMMENT THERE MATT? KEY SAFETY AREA SAFETY.
ON LIMMER LOOP RIGHT HERE AT INNOVATION.
IS REALLY BAD BECAUSE OF TRUCKS OR WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE'S TRUCKS BUT THERE'S NO FAULT RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO THESE PEOPLE ARE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE.
SOMEONE, SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING OVER HERE.
WE ARE PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT THERE.
SO THAT MIGHT, I'VE ALSO SEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS RIGHT.
GOING UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE OF OFF OF ONE 30 AND THEY TURN, THERE'S NO LIGHTS THERE EITHER.
SO THAT'S A SCARY, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL.
IT STOPS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RAMP.
AND PEOPLE DEFINITELY, I'M GONNA THROW SOMETHING OUT.
I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE MOST HATED INTERSECTION, BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO FIX STATUS STOOL AT ONE 30.
I KNOW WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CONTROL, BUT NOBODY ELSE CLAIMS CONTROL EITHER.
WELL, SO THE COUNTY HAS A PLAN EVENTUALLY TO PUT LIKE A TYPICAL OVERPASS JUST FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP CONVENTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
FOR THEIR ULTIMATE CONNECTION IN THE SO THE ULTIMATE YES.
SO IF THAT, IT'S GONNA BE IN FLYABLE BASICALLY.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE INTERMEDIATE STUFF.
SO THEY PUT THAT IN, IN 35 YEARS.
WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WHERE THAT'S GROWING MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY.
WE NEED TO FIND SOME OTHER, EVEN IF IT'S JUST PUTTING IN U-TURN LANGUAGE, LAST LIGHTNING ROUND.
KEY CONNECTIONS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ON HERE THAT NEED TO BE CONTEMPLATED.
JUST FIRST THING THAT'S COME TO MIND PERSONALLY, I THINK A KEY CONNECTION IS THIS.
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALTERNATE ROUTES TO BE UNDO ONE 30.
WE'VE GOT THE MAIN, THE PRIMARY, BUT WE'VE GOT NOTHING UP NORTH EXCEPT WE HAVE HERE AT CHAMP.
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I WAS LIKE, YOU GO GO.THIS AREA RIGHT NOW, WE WERE TOLD FIVE MINUTES AGO THAT OVER, SO MY DAD WAS A DRILL SERGEANT IN THE ARMY.
APPRECIATE THE CLASS OF HAVING THIS AS A WORKING DOCUMENT BECAUSE WE REALLY ARE A, UM, WE ACT AS A LIVING DOCUMENT, AS A GROUP.
I'M RETIRED, RICH, RETIRED FOUR.
THAT'S NORMAL IS I GO TO BED AT NINE O'CLOCK, I'M UP AT THREE 30 AND THIS IS WHAT I DO.
I DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER, A REAL ESTATE AGENT.
SHE WITH, I FORGET A REAL ESTATE, BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD GROUP AND IT WAS BE DEVELOPED.
IS THAT LIKE A TIMING THING? IT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA BE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER OR IS THAT A, WELL THERE WAS A DEVELOPER, RIGHT? WE JUST VIOLATED LAW.
EVERYTHING HAS TO GO THROUGH ACTION, BUT I FEEL LIKE ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A SEVEN TWO HOUR, THIS ROAD IS JUST EIGHT ACRES ALL ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I MEAN I WANNA MENTION ACTIVITY HERE, BUT DEPENDING ON THE COUNTY AT LEAST CONFIRM MULTIPLE PHASE TWO, THEY ARE BIDDING PHASE TWO.
BASE TWO GOES FROM WHERE TO WHERE? FROM RIGHT HERE.
END 1 37 ME, IN MY MIND, ONCE YOU SEE THESE SEPARATE.
OKAY, BECAUSE I OTHERWISE, THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW WE DEFINE INTERSECTION, DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT, JUST ABOUT FLOWS.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU START LOOKING AT THESE LESS FLOWS.
NOW YOU PUT THE GRIDS TOGETHER, NOW YOU HAVE YOUR INTERSECTION AND NOW YOU, BUT BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHAT ALTERNATE ROUTES WHERE YOUR IN ENERGY SERVICES ARE, WHERE TO MAKE COMMERCIAL AND THE, AND THE WORK THE SCHOOLS ARE AT.
SO WHERE, I MEAN IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU WANT LIKE A HEAT MAP FOR THIS SECTION WILL PROBABLY CRASHES.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE A HEAT MAP.
WHAT IS THE, DO WE DO WE ALL FEEL LIKE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE TOTAL NUMBER DOESN'T MATTER.
AND GOING OUT TRIPS, SEE THAT THERE WERE POINTS WOULD JUMP OUT THAT THESE ARE THE BIGGEST TRANSACTIONS.
SO I DEFINITELY GOTTA GET FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT.
IT ALREADY SETS UP THE GRID, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'VE GOT A GRID ALREADY SET UP.
SO WE'LL THROW OUT ONE MORE THING.
HAVE EVER BEEN TO PHOENIX? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHLY GRID.
THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO CURVED STREETS EXCEPT FOR THE INTERSTATES.
WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE SOMETHING IN HERE.
SO WHETHER IT'S THE 1 32 COMING DOWN, I KNOW IT'S BIG, SO, BUT YEAH.
BUT IF WE, IF WE HAD THESE HOT SPOTS, BUT TO PRIORITIZE IN THIS PLAN 2D AREA 2D LOCATION.
AND THE THIRD DIMENSION IS NUMBER TRANSACTIONS.
I COULD ACTUALLY TRY TO MODEL THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, IF WE WANT, IF WE SAW THAT, WE COULD SEE WHAT ARE THE, AS CHERYL BROUGHT UP, WHAT'S THE A TO B, UNFORTUNATELY, THANK YOU.
YOU, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH ON SOME THINGS, RIGHT? READY TO GO PUBLIC DATA.
THIS NEXT PART SHOULD, IF I CAN CHECK, MAYBE IS IT A TEXAS, YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE REAL ESTATE I CAN'T GET, IT'S LIKE, NO GUYS, IT'S THE FUTURE.
I HAVE NO, BUT THEY ALSO, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HELPED ME GET THAT DEVELOPMENT CANCELED, THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT WAS SHADY.
LIKE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR AWARENESS.
I DID SEND OUT THAT HU SO LINK, UM, TO THE HUSO 2040 PLAN.
SO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS FIT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I ALSO SENT THE LINK ON THE WEBSITE THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE OTHER MASTER PLANS, THAT FACT DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU WILL SEE THE CURRENT MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S ALSO A LINE ON THERE IF YOU READ.
UM, IT SAYS IT'S IN FOR UPDATE.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALSO LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THAT IT'S UP FOR UPDATE.
UM, AND THERE IS ALSO A LINK TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
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SEVERAL OTHERS, BUT JUST AS IT'S, UM, CONCERNED TO THIS DISCUSSION, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ALSO FIND THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY ADOPTED, IT IS BEING ADOPT, UH, UPDATED.
AND THEN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN IS IN THERE AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN COMPARE THE THOROUGH FAIR POINTS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO, UH, WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2018.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THOROUGH FAIR PLAN WAS A LITTLE BIT.
SO ASHLEY, PROCEDURALLY DO WE NEED TO CONVENE AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE? UM, NO.
IF YOU WANT JUST RESTATE BECAUSE WE, UM, DID THE AGENDA LIKE THAT, UM, AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE JUST FINE.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS THE, THE GROUP MEETING TONIGHT IS A CAP UNDER, IT'S THE P AND Z GROUP AS THE CAPITAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, I HAVE A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT ARE IMPACT FEES, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS, UM, THE ROLES, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, THE ITEMS THERE.
BUT IN A NUTSHELL, YOUR ROLE AS THE KAPLAN PUTIN'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TO COMMENT ON THREE THINGS.
LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH IS A PICTURE OF A 10 YEAR WINDOW OF HOW WE GROW, HOW WE'RE GROWING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
THE IMPACT VCIP, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT PROGRAM THAT MONIES COLLECTED CAN GO, THAT CAN BE EXPENDED FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THEN THREE, THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION.
SO THAT'LL BE THE, THE, THE, THE TECHNICAL NUMBER CRUNCH THAT GETS TO THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT THAT THEN THE COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER, UH, IN TERMS OF A COLLECTION RATE.
WELL, THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION WILL BE THE MAX THEN BE, THAT CAN BE COLLECTED.
IT'LL BE A POLICY DECISION BY YOUR COUNCIL ON WHAT SHOULD THAT COLLECTION RATE BE.
SO, UH, WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE ACTUALLY THREE MEETINGS.
SO THIS FIRST MEETING, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM.
UH, WE'RE TALKING ROADS, LANCE IS GONNA TALK WATER WASTEWATER.
UM, BUT, AND, AND, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF GROWTH.
WE WANNA, WE WANT YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOUR COMMENTS ON A GROWTH RATE.
OKAY? 'CAUSE THIS FUELS, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.
AND THAT'S MEETING NUMBER TWO WHERE WE REVIEW THE RESULTANT LUA BASED ON GROWTH RATES.
HERE IS A PRELIMINARY CIP THAT TO ADDRESS THE 10 YEAR NEEDS.
MEETING NUMBER THREE WILL BE THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION.
MAYBE SOME BENCHMARKING WITH WHAT ARE OTHER, OTHER COMMUNITIES COLLECTING.
SO IF YOU WANNA ADVISE, IF YOU WANNA PUT IN YOUR, IN, IN YOUR FINAL ACTION WILL BE A A, A WRITTEN LETTER.
MADAM CHAIR, YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE THIS LETTER.
BUT YOUR LETTER WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF THE CIAC, THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED.
THE LUA, THE CIP, THE IMPACT FEE.
AND IF YOU, IF THERE'S SOME, SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THE COLLECTION RATE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER PUTTING IN THERE.
IT MIGHT ALSO BE THAT YOU ASKED THE, THE COUNCIL, UH, TO COLLECT UP TO THAT MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
IN OTHER WORDS, GIVING THEM FLEXIBILITY TO HELP TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF COLLECTION RATES.
UH, SO THE, THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM IMPACT FEES ARE JUST A FUNDING TOOL.
IT THE FUNDING TOOL FOR IMPLEMENTING ROADS FROM YOUR MOBILITY PLAN, AS WE IDENTIFIED EARLIER, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF STREETS IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONLY ARTERIALS AND COLLECTOR CLASS FACILITIES CAN BE IN THAT PROGRAM.
SO THAT THE, THE, THE PLAN THAT WE COME UP WITH THAT, THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN APRIL, THAT THEN ARE THE ROADS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DRAWING FROM, UH, FOR THOSE 10 YEAR NEEDS.
SO IT'S A FUNDING TOOL, NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES TO, TO HURO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING A FEE.
THEY'RE PAYING A FEE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THEIR FEE THAT'S ROOTED IN A SERVICING EQUIVALENCY TABLE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, WHICH MIGHT GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN SAY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE MORE CAPACITY YOU CONSUME, THE HIGHER THE FEE.
OKAY? SO AS AN UPDATE, CHAPTER 3 9 5, WHICH CONTAINS ALL OF THE MANDATED LEGISLATION FOR THE EVALUATION OF THESE PROGRAMS. UM, THIS UPDATE, WE HAVE TO DO SEVERAL TECHNICAL EVALUATIONS.
HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS PROVIDED IN YOUR CIP, THOSE THAT WERE IN THE PROGRAM LAST TIME THAT WE'RE KEEPING IN, IF THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY, WE NEED TO ENUMERATE ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, COSTING AS PART OF THE PROGRAM WILL BE, UH, DEVELOPING UPDATED UNIT COSTING TO, TO, IN OTHER WORDS, INFORM THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION.
OKAY? ALL THIS IS ROOTED IN CHAPTER 3 9 5.
LUCKILY THE LAW WAS CHANGED IN 2011.
UH, THAT ONE PUBLIC HEARING IS NEEDED.
SO ALL OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ROLL INTO THAT LETTER.
THEY'LL HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT CONTEMPLATES THE WHOLE PROGRAMMATIC UPDATE FOR ROADS, WATER, AND WASTEWATER.
AND, AND IMPACT FEE LEGISLATION IS, IS REALLY CONTAIN, IT'S LIMITED TO ROADS, WATER, WASTEWATER AND DRAINAGE.
OKAY? BUT WE'RE FOCUSED ON REALLY THE ROADS, WATER, AND WASTEWATER.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WHAT CAN BE PAID FOR BY
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IMPACT FEES? IT'S BASICALLY ALL OF THE COSTING ASSOCIATED WITH PUTTING THE ROAD ON THE GROUND.THAT'S ON YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, ROOTED IN YOUR ROAD SECTIONS, OKAY? CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING, RIGHT OF WAY, UTILITY RELOCATES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, TO, UH, GET THE ROAD ON THE GROUND.
DEBT SERVICE IS A KEY COMPONENT TO THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUND THE ROADS, SO THERE'S PROBABLY SOME BONDS.
SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO INCORPORATE THE, THE COST OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WOULD BE INCURRED AS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
WE THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE TO CONSIDER, UH, IN THE PROGRAM.
SO WE WANT TO, WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT.
THE UPDATE PIECE THAT'S GETTING FUNDED OUT OF THE PROGRAM, SO THAT THE COST IS, IS A COST THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COLLECTED BY WAY OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
SO THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM IS PAYING FOR, FOR THE UPDATE.
WHAT'S NOT PAYABLE BY IMPACT FEES IF IT'S NOT ON THAT IMPACT FEE, CIP MAP NO CAN DO.
CAN ONLY PAY FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU HAVE THE, A DEFINITION OF A SERVICE AREA.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO IN THE VICINITY FOR THOSE PROJECTS ON THAT LIST AND NOTHING ELSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SEPARATE IMPACT.
VCIP, WE CAN'T ADDRESS THINGS LIKE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, NO OVERLAYS.
THIS IS STRICTLY NEW CAPACITY THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON THE GROUND, OKAY? WHETHER IT'S A ROAD WIDENING, YOU HAVE A TWO LANE ROAD, WE'RE ADDING TWO LANES.
THAT'S NEW CAPACITY OR A FLAT OUT NEW ROAD FACILITY ALTOGETHER.
NEW CAPACITY OUTTA THE PROGRAM.
NEW DEVELOPMENT TO CHIP IN A PORTION OF THAT COST.
SO'S JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID FOR, 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS, THIS WHOLE YEAR AS WE'RE DOING THIS.
SO THE IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED TO FUND THINGS THAT ARE IN THE THREE DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS.
THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN YOU WANT TO MISS.
AND THERE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN WATER.
SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT IT CAN FUND.
WHATEVER THAT'S CORRECT IS IN THERE.
AND THAT CIP, THAT MAP AND LISTING, MM-HMM,
OKAY? UH, SO THE, AND, AND THE IMPETUS IS THAT NEW GROWTH SHOULD HELP PAY FOR ITS FAIR SHARE OF IMPACT, RIGHT? WHY SHOULD YOUR TAX BASE PICK UP THE COST OF NEW DEVELOPMENT? AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT CHIPPING IN THEIR FAIR SHARE OF ROADS IMPACT FEES LEVELS THAT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE ROAD OR YOU'RE PAYING AN IMPACT FEE.
OKAY? NEW DEVELOPMENT CAN PUT DOWN A ROAD AND IF THEY PUT DOWN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE, IN THE IMPACT VCIP, THEY SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR IT.
SO THIS LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD ON TRAFFIC.
IT ALSO ACCOUNTS OR IT ENUMERATES ON, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING CAPACITY, OFFSITE CAPACITY, THEN THEY SHOULD GET A CREDIT AGAINST THEIR IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
WHO ELSE PICKS UP THE COST FOR THAT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE COST OF ROADS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS LIST OF ROADS.
SO EITHER NEW DEVELOPMENT'S CHIPPING IN ON THAT COST, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, YOUR TAX BASE PICKS THAT UP.
OKAY? UM, I THINK CURRENTLY WE'RE THE CITY'S COLLECTING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE, WHICH IS THE CREDIT AND MAX.
SO IT'S AT 50% OR SLIGHTLY GREATER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STARTING POINT.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE, WELL, YOU, WE SHOULD CONSIDER COLLECTING THE MAX.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU MIGHT ADVISE IN YOUR LETTER TO THE COUNCIL.
CONSIDER COLLECTING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.
SO BY WAY OF ADVANTAGES AND CHALLENGES, UM, IT'S THE ADVANTAGE IS THAT TRAFFIC IS NOW ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
IN THE PAST YOU HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BUILD, WE'RE GONNA DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG OUR PERIPHERY, OR WE'RE BUILDING ONE LANE OF ROAD.
BUT OVER HERE YOU HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING A ROAD, THEY'RE ONLY DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YOU HAVE SOME INEQUITY, SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T PROPORTIONAL IN TERMS OF APPROPRIATE DEDICATIONS.
THIS LEVELS ALL THE PLAYING FIELD BASED ON TRAFFIC IMPACT.
OKAY? UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE IMPLEMENTING MONIES HERE OR IMPLEMENTING YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
IT'S ALL WE'RE DOING FINANCE TOOL.
IT'S NOT A GROWTH TOOL, IT'S NOT A A GROWTH MORATORIUM TOOL.
IT'S NOT A TAX, IT'S ONLY MONIES THAT ARE COLLECTED TO PAY FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
SO NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY HERE, THEY WANT TO EXPAND.
ARE THEY SUBJECT TO THE FEE? YES, THAT EXPANSION IS SUBJECT, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S ONLY A ONE-TIME FEE.
OKAY? UH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED THAT MONEY TRICKLE IN IS GROWTH OCCURS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY THIS CIP THAT'S GONNA COST SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION PROBABLY.
IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA GO INTO A, A BANK INTO AN ACCOUNT CALLED THE IMPACT FEE ACCOUNT.
THE CITY HAS A FLEXIBILITY TO PUT SOME MONIES AT AN IMPROVEMENT OVER HERE.
INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT HERE, BUILD HALF OF IMPROVEMENT OVER HERE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S AIMED AT PUTTING, UH, PROJECTS THAT ULTIMATELY GET THAT BIG NETWORK, UH, ON THE GROUND.
OKAY? UM, THERE WILL BE A CREDIT ANALYSIS, UM, A CREDIT, A CREDIT ANALYSIS IS IT STEMS FROM, UM, LEGISLATION THAT WAS CHANGED.
INCIDENTALLY, THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM STARTED BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPERS.
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DEVELOPERS WENT TO THE LEGISLATURE IN 1988 SAYING, HEY, THIS IS, THERE'S NOT FAIR, THERE'S A LOT OF HORSE TRADING GOING ON.HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEDICATE ANYTHING.
DEVELOPER B HAD TO, HAD TO BUILD THE WHOLE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE ENABLING LEGISLATION CAME INTO PLAY, UH, BY THE HOME BUILDERS.
UH, SO IT'S BEEN IN PLAY, IT'S BEEN CHALLENGED AND TESTED IT.
AND SO, UM, YOU ALL WENT THROUGH THE PAIN OF NEW PROGRAM LAST TIME UPDATE.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S IN PLAY.
UM, IN 2011, THE DEVELOPERS GOT TO THE LEGISLATURE AGAIN, AND THIS IS A GOOD ONE ON THEIR BEHALF.
IN SOME CASES, NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PUTTING DOWN ROADS INCREASE, INCREASES THE ADDED OF ALARM TAX VALUE TO THE CITY.
THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T GET ANY BENEFIT OF THAT.
DEVELOPERS, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SAID, HEY, NO, THIS IS NOT FAIR.
LEGISLATURE AGREED WITH 'EM AND THEY SAID CITIES THAT, UH, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CREDITED FOR THE, THE, THE INCREASE IN VALOR TAX.
IN THE ALTERNATIVE, YOU CAN CREDIT THE COST OF THE CIP BY 50%.
SO THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN COLLECT IS 50%.
OKAY? IN ORDER TO GO ABOVE 50%, YOU DO THAT CREDIT ANALYSIS, WHAT'S THAT AD VALOREM TAX VALUE? WHAT GETS CREDIT BACK? SO WHAT'S THAT CEILING, RIGHT? THE FULL CEILING IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF COST CREDITED AT 50%.
THAT CREDIT NUMBER'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED, AND THAT'LL BE THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN GO TO WITH THE ANALYSIS.
WE'VE SEEN NUMBERS THAT GO ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT 70 TO ABOUT 95%.
OKAY? UH, SO THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
SO YOUR, YOUR ROLE, WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED THIS IS PROVIDING COMMENTS TO THE, UM, THE, THE LUA, THE CIP AND THEN THE ACTUAL FEE CALCULATION.
WE HAVE THREE MEETINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.
WE'RE MEETING TONIGHT IN APRIL, WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE TALKING THE LUA AND THE PRELIMINARY CIP 'CAUSE LATER IN APRIL ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SIDE, BACK WITH THE, ON THE MOBILITY PLAN, WE'RE MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL.
HOPEFULLY THEY, HOPEFULLY THEY SIGN OFF ON THAT THIRD FAIR PLAN.
AND THEN IN JUNE IS WHEN WE'LL HAVE THAT THIRD MEETING ON THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
OKAY? THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT THEN TRIGGERS THE COUNCIL TO CALL FOR THE UPDATE AS PART OF RESOLUTION FOR A SEPTEMBER UPDATE.
OKAY? UH, AND, AND WE'VE TENTATIVELY IDENTIFIED SEPTEMBER 5TH IS THAT TARGETED DATE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED WHY DO WE HAVE TO UPDATE? THE LAW SAYS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS.
PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 2018.
HERE WE ARE 23 IN GOOD FAITH, WE ARE DOING THAT UPDATES.
UH, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED ON THE PROGRAM WAS DOING SEVERAL THINGS.
THE, THE GRAPHIC ON THE MAP, UM, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE, THE TECHNICAL COMPONENTS.
UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF BRIEFLY HIT SOME OF THESE.
UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SERVICE AREAS.
AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO HAVE SERVICE AREAS IS THAT WE'VE GOTTA DEFINE WHERE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA OCCUR.
SO IF NEW DEVELOPMENT'S CHIPPING IN ON THOSE OF THOSE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ENSURING THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN THE VICINITY OF WHERE, WHERE NEW DEVELOPMENT'S OCCURRING.
YOU'VE, YOU HAVE ONE SERVICE AREA THAT'S ALIGNED WITH HU WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT IT.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THE MAP HERE IN A SECOND.
WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT IT TO SEE IF WE, MAYBE WE NEED TO TINKER WITH A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE HAVE A SERVICE AREA STRUCTURE FOR ROADS.
IT'S LIMITED TO YOUR CITY LIMITS BY LAW, WATER, WASTEWATER.
IT CAN EXTEND BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS.
UH, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A CLOSED SYSTEM, A REDUNDANT SYSTEM, THEY HAVE A DEFINED SERVICE AREA.
I THINK IT'S A-C-C-N-C-C-N FOR WATER AND ETJ FOR WASTEWATER.
OKAY? THE RE THE REASON ROADS ARE CAPPED TO THE CITY LIMITS IS BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN SYSTEM OF IMPROVEMENTS.
GOT PEOPLE USING YOUR ROADS, CHEWING AWAY CAPACITY.
AND, AND, AND THE ROAD SERVICE AREA STRUCTURE IS CONFINED TO, UH, SIX MILES.
GENERALLY THIS BUBBLE IS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OFF, BUT GENERALLY YOUR CITY, YOUR CITY LIMITS, UM, FALL WITH WITHIN THE SIX MILES WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO ENCROACH ON THAT LIMIT.
AND AS CONTINUED GROWTH, WE'RE GONNA BE VISITING WITH STAFF ON WHAT SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF BREAKING THE SERVICE AREA UP INTO OTHER, YOU KNOW, INTO OTHER ZONES.
OKAY? SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
OKAY? HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THE WATER WASTEWATER, I'M SORRY, THE WATER, UH, SERVICE AREA STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT.
YOU, IT ALIGNS WITH YOUR CCN, THE WASTEWATER PROGRAM ON THE RIGHT GRAPHIC THERE THAT ALIGNS WITH, UH, THE WASTEWATER CCN AND ALSO COMPORTS WITH YOUR, UH, FOR THE MOST PART YOUR ETJ.
OKAY? SO JUST AGAIN CLARIFICATION, HUH? SO SERVICE AREA, I GET THE WATER WASTEWATER ONE FOR THE ROADWAY, UHHUH
ONE I'M GATHERING SIX MILE MAX FROM, IT LOOKS LIKE CENTER POINT.
THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY AREAS OF OUR ETJ THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE.
THERE'S EVEN A COUPLE CITY LIMIT POINTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT SIX MILE RANGE.
SO ARE YOU STATING THAT IF WE COLLECT THAT TIFF MONEY FROM SOME OF THOSE AREAS, IF WE'RE WILLING TO EXPAND SOME AREAS OUTSIDE OF THAT RANGE, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE MONEY FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL TECHNICALLY PART OF THE CITY OR THE
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CORRECT.SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF ON DEFINING, REFINING THE STRUCTURE, IF YOU WILL.
SO THAT WAY IF WE HAVE MORE SERVICE AREAS, MONIES COLLECTED, WE'LL GO INTO THOSE SPECIFIC ZONES.
SO YOU CAN SPLIT AND HAVE MULTIPLE SERVICE AREAS THEN IF NEEDED.
UH, YEAH, WE CAN, THERE THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF ACCOUNTING ISSUE THAT THE STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO DON'T TO BE CONTIGUOUS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS.
UM, I MEAN THEY CAN OVERLAP HERE IN A BUBBLE HERE AND THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING.
WELL, WE WANNA, WE, WE NEED TO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE COVER THE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE IF THERE'S INFILL GROWTH OR REDEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE THE ABILITY TO COVER THAT.
SO EVERY PART OF YOUR CITY LIMITS WILL BE COVERED.
BOTTOM LINE, WE WANNA HAVE AN EYE TOWARD YOUR ETJ, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AS YOU'RE CONTINUING TO GROW, HOW WILL NEW DEV DEVELOP NEW AREAS? WHAT ZONE WILL THEY GO INTO? SO WE'RE GONNA DEFINE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, ULTIMATELY THE LUA, THE CIP WILL BE SET UP ON THAT.
AGAIN, JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT.
'CAUSE I THINK EVEN THAT MUD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SOUTH IS NOT EVEN A PART OF THAT.
SO THAT AREA, THEY, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN DEAL GOING ON, SO, WE'LL, YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO THIS SLIDE, UH, JUST IN CASE THE, UM, COMMISSION DOESN'T QUITE GET IT.
THE WATER IS OBVIOUSLY A LOT SMALLER AND THAT IS DUE TO CCN BOUNDARIES.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH JUST TRY TO OPTIMIZE AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITHIN THESE TO SERVE THE AREAS THAT EXPLAINS THE LARGER J ONE, THE GOOD.
A RANDOM QUESTION THOUGH, BASED ON THE WATER PIECE, IF FOR SOME REASON IN THE FUTURE JONAH AND OR MANVILLE DECIDE TO NO LONGER SERVICE THOSE AREAS, CAN THIS, UH, SERVICE AREA BE EXPANDED OR DOES IT HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT BE DECIDED THIS YEAR? IF YOU WERE TO SERVE MANVILLE OR JONAH, YOU WOULD MM-HMM.
IF Y'ALL WERE TO TAKE OVER THAT, I WOULD ASSUME IT'D BE A CC AND SWAP OR TRANSFER.
AND THEN WITH THAT YOU WOULD ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES FOR THIS.
AND, AND WITH THAT, THAT WOULD TRIGGER AN UPDATE.
IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE, DO AN UPDATE.
THE LAW JUST SAYS YOU HAVE TO UPDATE THE PROGRAM AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS.
FIVE YEARS HAS WORKED WELL IN THE PAST, SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO CHANGE IT UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING STRUCTURAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER TECHNICAL ELEMENTS HERE, SERVICE UNITS, UH, SO THE, THE SERVICE UNIT FOR ROADS IS CALLED THE VEHICLE MILE.
THE ABILITY FOR ONE, ONE VEHICLE TO TRAVEL ONE MILE OF ROADWAY.
THERE HAS TO BE A COMMON SERVICE UNIT THAT CAN QUANTIFY HOW MUCH CAPACITY ROADS PROVIDE, HOW MUCH DEMAND IS ON THE ROADWAY NETWORK.
HOW MUCH DEMAND DOES THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT TAKE? SO THE VEHICLE MILE, IN THIS EXAMPLE HERE, IF YOU HAVE FOUR LANES OF, OF CARRYING CAPACITY, TWO, TWO MILES LONG, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS BEING PROVIDED.
THE PROGRAM IS PREDICATED ON THE P PEAK HOUR.
UM, 'CAUSE MOST ROADS ARE DESIGNED FOR THE P PEAK.
SO WE'RE USING CAPACITIES AT, AT, AT P PEAK AND ALSO AT AN, AT AN ADEQUACY LEVEL, LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO FREE FLOW CAPACITY, YOU HAVE MORE CAPACITY LEVEL SERVICE.
D YOU HAVE SLIGHTLY LESS, BUT THAT'S IN AN ADEQUACY LEVEL DEFINED THAT WE'RE, UH, AIMED AT MEETING FOR THE WATER AND WASTE.
THIS, THIS IMAGE HERE, UH, KIND OF DEPICTS WHAT, HOW THE VEHICLE MILE IS USED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
LET'S SAY IT'S A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT'S GONNA GENERATE, UH, 60 VEHICLES IN THE PEAK HOUR AND THE TRIPLE LENGTH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE HOME BASE WORK OR HOME TO RETAIL IS TWO AND A HALF MILES.
YOU, YOU CAN QUANTIFY VEHICLES IN MILES, 60 TIMES 2.5.
THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED VEHICLE MILES OF DEMAND.
AND IF, IF I CAN PAUSE JUST FOR A MOMENT.
SO I, I THINK THAT THAT MAY BE THAT, THAT JUST REMIND, THIS REMINDED ME THAT, OH YEAH, I THINK IT WAS FOR THAT, FOR THE TIFF IMPACT FEE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE VEHICLE MODEL AS A SERVICE UNIT.
YOU'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE QUITE HONESTLY USE IN ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, PREPARING THESE PROGRAMS FOR.
SO IT'S NOTHING NEW, UH, WITHIN TEXAS.
IF I TURN IT OVER TO LANCE TO TALK SERVICE UNITS FOR WATER WASTEWATER.
SO, ANOTHER, AGAIN, REAL QUICK, SORRY, I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.
UM, SO THE VEHICLE MILES, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT IS LIKE YOU SAID, ASSUMING THE PM PEAK HOUR MM-HMM.
SO, A QUESTION I HAVE, I KNOW THIS MIGHT SOUND COMPLICATED, AND SO STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS.
WHENEVER THIS ASSESSMENT IS DONE FOR A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, THEY ARE PROVIDING, THEY ARE PROVIDING THIS ASSESSMENT,
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UM, AT THE STATE OF WHEN THEY ARE PLANNING TO, UH, START THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY ACCOUNTING FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ABUTTING IT OR AROUND THE AREA THAT MIGHT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BUT ARE NOT FULLY BUILT OUT YET.AND THE ADDITIONAL, UH, SUPPLY THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THOSE ROADWAYS FROM THOSE.
SO THE KIND OF QUESTION MAYBE STAFF, MAYBE YOU GUYS, HOW ARE WE ENSURING THAT AS WE'RE DOING THESE ASSESSMENTS FOR THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY'RE INCORPORATING THE POTENTIAL GROWTH THAT IS ALREADY GONNA BE ENCUMBERED BY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE NOT COMPLETE MM-HMM.
HOW ARE WE GROWING, WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH OVER THE 10 YEARS THAT'S GONNA ACCOUNT FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EITHER ALREADY APPROVED THAT ARE IN THE PIPE TO BE APPROVED OR THAT ARE PROBABLY IMMINENT.
RIGHT? SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME ANALYSIS ON YOUR GROWTH RATES.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S YOUR CIP, IT'S THE ROAD CAPACITY.
IF WE'RE AT, IF ROAD DEVELOPMENT A, DEVELOPMENT B, AND, AND HERE'S THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THIS GUY'S BEEN OUT HERE FOR A WHILE.
HE'S ALREADY PAID HIS FEE FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT HERE, WHICH IS ON THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES X AMOUNT OF CAPACITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
THEY'RE TRUE, TRUE TRIP LENGTH.
SO WE QUANTIFY THAT BY SERVICE AREA.
WE, WE SAY, HERE ARE ALL THE PROJECTS, AND IT COULD BE YOUR WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, YOUR WHOLE ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR NETWORK.
SO THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO MEND THE FIP.
UM, HERE'S HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS BEING PROVIDED.
AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY'RE REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CAPACITY, AND IT'S ENUMERATED BY SERVICE AREA.
SO IT'S ALREADY IN THE PROGRAM, IT'S ASSESSED AT PLATING.
SO THIS 150,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS SOME OUT PARCELS AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT MIGHT CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO PERMIT, IT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA BE COLLECTING ON WHAT IT'S CHANGING TOO.
SO, YEAH, SO IT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT.
THE PROGRAM ACCOUNTS FOR THAT.
SO IT'S THE LUA AND THEN IT'S THE CIP THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR THINGS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND OUTSIDE, LIKE, UM, 1 38 IS ON THE PFLUGERVILLE LINE.
SO YOU HAVE APARTMENTS COMING ON, ON ONE SIDE AND HOUSES ON THE OTHER.
SO YOU'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE CURVE HERE.
SO, BUT THE, THE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED ARE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR.
NOW, SOME OF THOSE ARE CITY, SOME OF THOSE ARE, ARE STATE FACILITIES.
IF THE CITY IS GONNA BE CONTRIBUTING RIGHT OF WAY OR SOME KIND OF CONTRIBUTION TO THAT ROAD, TYPICALLY IT'S MAYBE ABOUT THE 20.
REMEMBER THE OLD 80 20, IF WE HAVE PLANNED COST FOR A STATE FACILITY THAT THE CITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN, IT'S TYPICALLY ONLY THAT 20% WE CANNOT COLLECT ON BEHALF OF ANOTHER AGENCY.
SO WE'LL DO THE COST ESTIMATE, HERE'S THE WHOLE ROAD COST, BUT ONLY 20% IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED IN THE COST CALCULATION, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY COST CONTRIBUTION BY THE CITY.
SO YES, IT CAN, BUT ONLY THE CITY'S PORTION.
WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO DOUBLE DIP ON THAT.
I JUST WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT LIKE HOW HE WAS MENTIONING THE TRAFFIC ITSELF, BECAUSE ARE YOU ACTUALLY, WHEN, WHEN A DEVELOPER IS COMING IN AND MM-HMM,
AND SO NOW THEY'RE DOING A TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC STUDY AND THERE'S NOT THIS THOUSAND HOMES, BUT BY THE TIME THEY GET THEIR THOUSAND HOMES IN, NOW YOU'RE AT 2000 EXTRA PEOPLE FOUR, YOU KNOW, TWO TO FOUR CARS PER HOUSE.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TWO TESTS HERE.
TWO BURDENS, REALLY THE BURDEN IS ON THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ROADS.
RIGHT? NEW DEVELOPMENT CAN CHIP IN.
IF THEY'RE, THEY WANNA BUILD A ROAD THAT'S ON THE IF SIP AND THEY WANNA GET CREDIT FOR IT, GREAT.
THEY CAN PROBABLY DO IT FASTER, QUICKER, GET IT ON THE GROUND GOING, AND THEY OUGHT TO GET CREDIT FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S ALL INCORPORATED INTO THE ANALYSIS.
IT'S MORE OF A TIMING THING, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT DEVELOPMENT A OVER HERE, THAT GETS BUILT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING A LINK.
IT MAY BE SOME TIME BEFORE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS GET INTO PLAY IN, IN PLACE, BUT IN GOOD FAITH, THE CITY'S GONNA BE ACTIVELY IMPLEMENTING THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S ROOTED IN THAT CIP.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME HEADACHE AND TIME, BUT YOU GET A LITTLE MONIES FROM, FROM IMPACT FEES.
MAYBE THERE'S OTHER FUN, OTHER MONIES THAT CAN HELP GET THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE GROUND.
THAT WON'T, THAT, THAT WON'T AFFECT THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM SAYS THAT THE CITY IS GONNA BE ACTIVELY CHIPPING AWAY PROJECTS OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN 10 YEARS ALL THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE ON THE GROUND BECAUSE IT WON'T.
SO IT BECOMES A TIMING THING AND THERE COULD BE HEADACHE WITH IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GROWING SO FAST AND CAN'T KEEP TRYING TO MAINTAIN PACE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON VEHICLE MILE? WE'LL BE GETTING TO CIP HERE IN A SECOND.
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UM, I GET THE FEELING, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW HOW THE WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE FEES ARE MEASURED BY LUE.
SO DEFINITIONS HERE FROM THE CHAPTER 3 95.
UM, WE, WE ARE STICKING WITH THIS UNIT OF MEASUREMENT, UM, TO, FOR CONSISTENCY.
AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO USING CITY OF HO ENGINEERING CRITERIA MANUAL FOR SOME OF THE EQUIVALENCIES ON HOW TO CALCULATE THESE, WHICH I HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, JUST THE LAST BULLET POINT IS SOMETIMES OTHER CITIES MAY MEASURE OR ASSESS IMPACT FEES BY METERS.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS BY SERVICE UNIT.
UM, AND YOU, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.
HERE'S A, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF JUST WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE.
ONE LUE BASELINE IS ONE HOME, RIGHT? SO FITNESS CENTER IS MEASURED BY WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF, ARE THEY PROPOSING WITH THAT DICTATES HOW MANY LU THAT ARE IN ON THAT.
THERE'S A SIMILAR TABLE, UM, FOR, FOR THE ROADS IT'S MORE ROBUST LAND, MAJOR LAND CATEGORY FIVE MAJOR LAND, CATEGORICAL AREAS, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, AND INSTITUTIONAL.
THEN THERE'S SUB LAND, LAND USES WITHIN IT, BUT THERE'S A SERVICE UNIT GENERATION FOR EACH ONE.
IT'S AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'D WANTED TO TRY TO SPARE YOU THE TECHNICAL, BUT THE, THE TABLE WAS IN THERE BEFORE.
IT'S GONNA BE UPDATED BY WAY OF NEW TRIP GENERATION DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE, AS WELL AS TRIP LENGTH INFORMATION THAT WE'LL EXTRACT FROM THE CAMPO MODEL.
UM, THE, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTION, SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS ARE REALLY AIMED AT CAPTURING A, A PICTURE OF HOW WE'RE GONNA GROW OVER THE 10 YEARS.
IT'S ROOTED IN GROWTH TRENDS THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST 1, 3, 5, 7 YEARS.
ELLEN SENT A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS ON THE ROAD ON, ON THE DIFFERENT GROWTH RATES, BUT IT'S ALSO ROOTED IN WHAT'S ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR.
STAFF'S IN TUNE WITH NOT ONLY THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE IN, IN THE PROGRAM NOW OR IN THE PIPE NOW, BUT ALSO STUFF THAT'S MAY HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE CONTEMPLATING SEVERAL THINGS, HISTORIC GROWTH, ANTICIPATED GROWTH, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF ROOTED IN HOW WE'VE BEEN GROWING IN THE PAST, HOW THAT LINE EXTENDS FOR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE SHOWING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN BECAUSE BASICALLY, UM, THE, WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS GROWTH IS GONNA OCCUR ACCORDING TO THIS FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, RIGHT? THAT'S YOUR STATEMENT OF POLICY.
UM, OR YOUR VISIONARY POLICY OF LAND USE APPROVALS ARE GONNA BE IN, IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.
SO IF WE HAVE A GROWTH TREND, UH, GROWTH TRENDS THAT ALIGNS WITH LAND USE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HISTORIC GROWTH AND THAT HOW IT MIGHT APPLY HERE AS, AS PART OF THE LAND USE.
SO BOTTOM LINE, IT INCORPORATES LAND USE AS, AS DEFINED IN YOUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
OKAY? THE, UH, IMPACT FEE, CIP ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROADS, HERE'S AN IMAGE THAT IDENTIFIED THE IF SIP THE LASKO ROUND.
SO THIS WILL PROBABLY BE, BE TWEAKED TO ANY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE IN THE MOBILITY PLAN.
WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME TWEAKS IN THE NETWORK PER SE.
SO ONCE WE MAKE THOSE TWEAKS, UH, UH, WE'LL ALSO INCORPORATE ANY NEW, UH, FACILITIES THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
NOW, I KIND OF MENTIONED TWO APPROACHES, RIGHT? IF WE, IF WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GROW BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND VEHICLE MILES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE COULD PUT ENOUGH PROJECTS JUST TO COVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, RIGHT? THEN WE'RE USING ALL THE CAPACITY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THERE'S SOME CIP PROJECTS THAT AREN'T ON THAT LIST, BUT A DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD IT, TECHNICALLY HE DOESN'T GET CREDIT, BUT WE'RE NOT ABOUT THAT.
SO IT MIGHT BE THAT WE PUT THE WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN THERE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO UPDATE THE IF CIP THE WHOLE NETWORK'S IN THERE.
AND SO THE OPTIC IS, WELL, IF YOU HAD, UH, ROAD PROJECTS TO COVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND THAT COST 50 MILLION, MAYBE THE FULL THOROUGHFARE PLAN COST 500 MILLION.
WELL, THE ONLY PORTION OF COST WE'RE CONSIDERING IS THAT 50 MILLION.
IF THAT'S THE DEMAND THAT'S GONNA BE GENERATING 10 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN THE COST CALCULATION.
IT'S A UNIT COST CALCULATION THAT WE DERIVE.
SO WE'RE NOT CHARGING NEW DEVELOPMENT ANY MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE VISITING WITH STAFF ON THE APPROACH TO TAKE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES TO AVOID THE AMENDMENT PROCESS TO THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM TO PUT ALL THE THOROUGHFARES IN THERE.
AND, AND THE, UM, THE COST CALCULATION, BASICALLY, UM, WE HAVE A GRAPHIC HERE.
SO IT'S THE RE IT'S THE COST OF THE CIP, WE CALL IT THE RECOVERABLE COST OF THE CIP OR IN OTHER WORDS OF THE CIP AND THE ASSOCIATED COST.
THE NECESSITATED PIECE OVER THE 10 YEARS IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED IN THE CALCULATION.
SO THE NECESSITATED PIECE, WHICH IS VEHICLE MILES OF, OF ROAD PROJECTS DIVIDED BY SERVICE UNITS OR VEHICLE MILES FROM THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS THAT BECOMES YOUR COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
UM, SAME, SAME APPROACH IS, IS TAKING THE RECOVERABLE COST OF THE, OF THE, IF I FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER
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DIVIDED BY THE SERVICE UNITS OR THE LU OF GROWTH.THAT'S HOW THEY CALCULATE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER
UH, WE, WE ARE SHOWING YOUR CURRENT, UH, THE CURRENT COLLECTION RATES PER YOUR ORDINANCE THERE.
UM, SO THAT, LET'S SEE, YOUR ROADWAY, UM, IS 1960, IS THAT THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT OR IS THAT THE IMPACT FEE? THIS IS.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE IMPACT FEE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A COMBINATION OF YOUR COST PER SERVICE UNIT TIMES THE EQUIVALENCY FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER BECAUSE YOUR UNIT'S ONE, YOUR WATER'S 88 32 FOR A ONE INCH PIPE WASTEWATER 27 88 FOR A, UM, ONE INCH, UM, WASTEWATER PIPE.
SO FOR ROADS, THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.
A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED COST PER SERVICE UNIT TIMES THE TRAFFIC THEY GENERATE BASED ON THE TYPE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE CALCULATING THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO PUT A UNIT OF COST ON THE GROUND FOR ROADS? OKAY.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OVERVIEW? UH, I DO HAVE ONE FOR MATT ON THE PREVIOUS I-F-C-I-P PROJECTS.
I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH AND YOU CHANGED HOW THE PROJECTS ARE LABELED.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TRACK THE PREVIOUS I-F-C-I-P WITH OUR CURRENT CIP PROJECTS? SO I DIDN'T CHANGE HOW THEY WERE LABELED IN THE I-F-C-I-P.
I ONLY CHANGED THE NOMENCLATURE IN OUR CITY CIP OKAY.
AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR TRACKING MECHANISM.
SO, SO YOU'VE GOT THE TRACK BACK ON THESE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A 44, YOU, YOU CAN TRACK THAT ONE BACK EASILY.
IF YOU GO, WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS GET ACCESS TO CLEAR GOV, WHICH SHOULD BE COMING, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO IN AND THERE'S A MAP ASSOCIATED WITH EVERY PROJECT AND FOR ALL OF THE MOBILITY PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CITIES.
CIPI TOOK THE MAP FROM THE MOBILITY PLAN AND JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE SEGMENT OF ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR.
THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION BY WAY OF TRACKING, RIGHT? ALL THE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED ARE ASSIGNED TO THE BANK ACCOUNT.
SO, UH, AS WELL AS MONEY'S EXPENDED, SO ONCE A, ONCE A ROAD PROJECT IS, IS PUT ON THE GROUND, THERE'S PLANNED ESTIMATES FOR HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO PUT ON THE GROUND ONCE THE ACTUAL NUMBER COMES IN, YOU KNOW, WE PLUG THAT IN THE COST SERVICE.
SO WHEN WE DEVELOP THOSE COSTS ON ROAD PROJECTS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE WHAT THEY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T WANT THE SEAT IN A POTENTIAL REFUND SITUATION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE ON THE SIDE CONTINGENCIES REGARD WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE LAST 12 MONTH AVERAGE, OR IF THERE'S ANY BID PRICE THAT THE CITY'S HAD ON A RECENT PROJECT, WE'RE NOT GONNA INFLATE IT IN ANY WAY.
SO WE'RE, THIS MAY JUST A CLARIFICATION PIECE.
SO PROJECT MAP WAS GENERATED BACK, WE HAD MOBILITY PLAN IN 2018.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT GENERATED US, THAT'S WHAT IMPACT FEE PIECE.
NOW WE HAVE OUR RECURRING CITIES OUTLOOK EVERY FISCAL YEAR TO MAKE SURE THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOING 24 CIP CORRECT? SOMEWHAT COMPLIC GENERALLY, YES.
THE OTHER COMPLICATING FACTOR IS THAT THE, UM, STATE LEGISLATURE JUST CHANGED THE PLANNING, NOT APPROVED AND FUNDED IN YOUR CITY'S CIP.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE CURRENTLY UPDATING IP TO ADD, UM,
I DON'T REALLY WANNA SPEND THE NIGHT WITH YOU GUYS ANYMORE,
AND I WILL UPDATE THAT LIST OF ROAD PROJECTS WHEN WE GET THIS MOBILITY PLAN TO REFLECT THAT.
AND THEN THAT WAY YOU GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR WHAT ROAD PROJECTS WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
YOU'LL HAVE THE ENTIRE MOBILITY PLAN BASICALLY IN FRONT OF YOU AS PART OF THE CIP PACKAGE.
AND THEN THOSE, THOSE THAT DON'T MAKE THE CUT AND GET PUSHED OUT INTO OUTER YEARS, PERFECT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT ALL THE PROJECTS IN THERE.
SORRY, THE QUESTIONS FOR THE WATER, THE WASTEWATER.
SO THE STATE HAS AN ISSUE WITH WATER RIGHT NOW AND PAYING RATES GOING UP.
THE CHARGING NOW, YOUR POLICY ON A COLLECTION RATE, SO YOUR ORDINANCE IS CONSTRUCTED IN WITH TWO SCHEDULES.
WHAT'S THE ECT AND BY POLICY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO COLLECT THAT SCALE? TWO.
SO BLOCK NUMBER ONE, LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GROW OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME WORK WORK LOOKING AT YOUR DATA, LOOKING AT SOME ISD, THE ISD REPORTING, LOOKING AT CAMPO DATA, UH, AND WHAT THE GRAPH DEPICTS HERE, YOU, IT SHOWS THE GROWTH FROM 2010 THROUGH 2021.
BUT IN OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, UM, HUDU FROM 2010 TO 20 GREW BASICALLY AT ABOUT 8.9% COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH RATE.
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IN THE ORANGE BAR.EMPLOYMENT, UH, HAS BEEN RUNNING AT ABOUT 8.75% PER CLIP, UM, OVER A 10 YEAR WINDOW HISTORIC.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER ANALYSIS OF HOW WE'VE BEEN GROWING OVER THE LAST 1, 3, 5, AND SEVEN.
BUT LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF HOW HAVE YOU BEEN GROWING IN TERMS OF WHAT RATES WE THINKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD, KIND OF THE 10 YEAR PICTURE IS KIND OF REALLY KIND OF THE IMPETUS OF WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE CONTEMPLATING.
YOU MIGHT RECALL THIS GRAPHIC THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER.
WHERE IS GROWTH OCCURRING? FORTUNATELY, UM, WE'RE DEALING WITH ONE SOURCE AREA.
WE MAY, WE MAY BE MODIFYING THAT TO MORE THAN ONE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SEA LIMIT ISSUES.
UH, BUT THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW THE CITY MAY BE GROWING AND ANNEXING INTO A PARTICULAR SERVICE AREA VOLUNTARILY ANNEX EXITING IN.
BUT, UM, SO WE'LL NEED TO PUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTEMPLATING WHERE GROWTH IS OCCURRING SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALLOCATING GROWTH APPROPRIATELY.
BUT WHAT WE'RE, MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS WHAT, HOW HAVE WE BEEN GROWING IN THE PAST AND WHAT SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING? SO DIFFERENT SOURCES, UM, HAVE DIFFERENT RESULTS.
AND COLLECTION RIGHTS, I THINK IS SD SAID, DATA POPULATION WE'RE GROWING.
I'LL LET ELLEN EXPLAIN SOME OF THE, THE RESEARCH
SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE'LL BE OKAY.
UM, SO EARLIER ON IN THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS PORTION, TECHNICAL ELEMENTS, YOU SAW SOME YELLOW ARROWS.
HERE ARE ALL THE TYPES OF DATA THAT GO INTO OUR CALCULATIONS.
UM, YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS, BUT THE ISD UM, PUTS OUT A GREAT QUARTERLY REPORT.
SO THAT SHOWS THE DISTRICT GROWING BETWEEN THREE AND 5% ANNUALLY.
UM, OF COURSE, ISE BOUNDARIES ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY OF PTO, BUT IT GIVES US AN IDEA, CALLS OUT, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENTS, CALLS OUT, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL.
SO, SO THAT'S A REALLY HELPFUL RESOURCE.
UM, THIS DATA HERE IS A CS COLLECTED ANNUALLY.
SO SHOWING ANYWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 8% GROWTH ANNUALLY.
UM, AND THEN THE CAMPO MODEL DATA, WHICH WE MENTIONED EARLIER IN MOBILITY GLAND PORTION HAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND 7% GROWTH.
THE, THE TRENDS SHIFT 4 20, 20 IS SLOWER.
AND THEN AFTER 2020 WE ALREADY HAVE TWO, SOMETIMES THREE YEARS OF SOLID DATA DEPENDING ON THE SOURCE.
AND GROWTH'S DEFINITELY PICKED UP SINCE 2020.
AND SO GIVEN THE CONSISTENCY OF THAT PICKUP, WE FEEL CONFIDENT WITH, UM, RECOMMENDING HIGHER RATES FOR POPULATION EMPLOYMENT.
AGAIN, THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS BIG PICTURE.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY PREDICTING HOW MANY PEOPLE AND JOBS THERE ARE GOING TO BE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR PLACES AND JOBS FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
THIS JUST FACTORS INTO THE CALCULATION FOR ULTIMATELY WHAT TRAFFIC WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT WATER, WASTEWATER, OCCUPANCY, ALL OF THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION IS AN 8.75% GROWTH RATE ANNUALLY FOR POPULATION AND 9% ANNUALLY FOR EMPLOYMENT.
THAT PUTS YOU AT ABOUT 42,000.
OH NO, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK 'CAUSE THIS ONE IS THE CORRECT ONE, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, POPULATION IS THEN EXPECTED TO BE, UH, ABOUT 42,000 MORE BY 2033.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST INTERESTED IN THAT TENURE HORIZON.
UM, AND THEN EMPLOY ON THE EMPLOYMENT SIDE, UM, IT'S ABOUT HALF OF THAT, BUT 24,000 NET INCREASE.
THESE NUMBERS LOOK REALLY SPECIFIC BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE INPUT ALL OF THE DATA, BUT ULTIMATELY THIS IS SORT OF THE TREND WE'RE SEEING, ESPECIALLY IN TALKING WITH STAFF AND TALKING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, PARTNERING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.
THIS IS AN ACCURATE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH RECOMMENDING THIS GROWTH RATE, BUT WE ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
UM, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH AND HOW WE MIGHT NEED TO MODIFY THAT TO GO INTO THE CALCULATION JUST FROM A MATHEMATICS OR A FISCAL POINT.
YEAH, POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT.
YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT? IS IT PLUS OR MINUS 1% OR IS THIS PLUS OR MINUS, YOU KNOW, A 10TH PER PERCENT.
THE ANNUAL INCREASE, WE DON'T HAVE A MARGIN OF ERROR FACTOR IN.
SO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, LUCY, SEE, UM, THIS IS JUST WHAT COMES, WHAT COMES OUTTA OUR SIMULATION AS FAR AS BIG PICTURE, WHAT THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS AND HOW CLOSE WE NEED TO BE WITH THIS CALCULATION.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT MAKE TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
UM, IMPACT FEE WISE, UM, AS FAR AS, AS PEOPLE AND JOBS GO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT WILL TRANSLATE INTO HOUSEHOLDS AND PLACE OF ENVIRONMENT AND THEN TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S GENERALIZED BY, BY TREND.
SO MARGIN ERROR FOR THESE NUMBERS, I WOULD SAY IS 10% GIVES US PLENTY OF WIGGLE ROOM.
IT MAY EVEN BE MORE THAN THAT.
THE COMP PLAN SHOWS NUMBERS THAT ARE 10% OF THIS NUMBER NOT PLUS OR M YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE GROWTH NUMBERS GO, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEAVY GROWTH NUMBERS PROJECTIONS.
UM, BUT THAT THE PREVIOUS 10 YEAR PERIOD, I'M LOOKING AT ABOUT A 90% INCREASE IN POPULATION FROM 15 EIGHT TO 29 4.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WELL OVER THAT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEAR PROJECTION.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS LIKE HOW, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT HAVING THE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH TO EVEN BUILD FOR THAT GROWTH? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE WE, WE'VE BEEN AT CRAZY BREAKNECK SPEED
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ON GROWTH EXCEPT FOR PANDEMIC OF COURSE.BUT WE'VE BEEN AT THIS CRAZY BREAKNECK SPEED WHERE WE COULD BARELY KEEP UP
HOW, HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN? YEAH, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT? THE HISTORIC TREND DICTATE, DICTATES HOW YOU HAVE BEEN GROWING, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PERMIT DATA ACTIVITY THAT STAFF IS SEEING THAT'S IN THE PIPE.
THE FACT THAT BETWEEN UH, 2010 AND 2020 IT'S BEEN QUITE 8%, BUT SINCE 2020 AND IT'S DRASTICALLY INCREASED, THE GROWTH RATE DRASTICALLY INCREASED.
I MEAN THE, THE WATER PROGRAM THAT'S ROOTED, WE'LL GET TO THOSE NUMBERS HERE IN A SECOND.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT A 10% GROWTH RATE FROM THE WATER WASTEWATER AFTER PLAN, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK LOWER THAN THAT FOR, FOR ROADS ONLY.
'CAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH A LARGER AREA, BUT THE, IN THE END WE GOT TWO CA FRONTS HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE REVIEWING THESE AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS, NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE CAPACITY THAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE PUTTING IN THE
IF WE'RE PUTTING THAT WHOLE THOROUGH PLAN IN THERE, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO COVER THAT GROWTH.
I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE I'M KIND OF GOING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME VERY MAJOR, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, ET CETERA.
WOULDN'T RATHER THAN POPULATION, WOULDN'T IT BE SMARTER TO DO LUE FOR POPULATION GROWTH PROJECTION FOR FOR ROADS? FOR ROADS? NO.
IF ROADS WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT EMPLOYMENT RECALL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BASIC SERVICE RETAIL.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUY SECTOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE NET INCREASE IN JOBS FOR INDUSTRIAL.
RIGHT? SO WE'LL HAVE THE NET INCREASE IN, IN GROWTH THAT TRANSLATES TO SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE CAN THEN USE AT THE EQUIVALENCY TABLE TO CALCULATE VT.
SO, BUT IF, IF 45% OF OUR GROWTH IS COMMERCIAL AND, AND, UH, EMPLOYMENT AND UH, INDUSTRIAL ET CETERA, THEN THAT'S 45% OF OUR AVAILABLE LAND BEING UTILIZED NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
SO WOULDN'T THAT IMPACT OUR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH NUMBERS? I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS THAT WE GOT BUSIER IN BOTH SECTIONS AND SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL HAS COME BACK AS MORE DEBTS.
WE ARE SEEING MORE PEOPLE PER OKAY.
AND SO WE'RE NOT SLOWING DOWN ON EITHER SIDE.
MONTHLY MODELS, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LINEAR, SO THEY DO HAVE RIGHT.
THEY'RE LIKELY OUR, OUR ANALYSIS, WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE LINEAR BECAUSE ALL WE'RE CONCERNED THE NET FOR THE IMPACT FEE CALCULATION.
I'M, I'M, I'M TRACKING ALL THAT.
I WAS JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE METHODOLOGY OF GETTING THESE REJECTED, THESE REJECTED NUMBERS.
OKAY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON THAT PIECE.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA LANCE ADDRESS, UH, THE, THE WATER WASTEWATER.
SO, UM, WATER WASTEWATER YOU CAN SEE HERE.
AND WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SURFACE AREAS BETWEEN ROADWAY WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO NATURALLY THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND WE'RE MEASURING IN LUE AND THESE GROWTH RATES ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
UH, SO YOU'VE HAD A WATER MA, WATER MASTER PLAN, WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, AND THE SORT PLANS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP CONSISTENCY.
ALL THESE THINGS WILL STAY ALIGNED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID FOR BOTH OF THESE IS JUST EXTRACTED THE DATA, INTERPOLATED IT AND RECALCULATED ES BASED ON THESE GROWTH RATES, WHICH WERE IN THOSE MASTER PLANS.
WHICH ACCORDING TO THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CIPS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE GROWTH RATES.
SO WE END UP WITH THAT WITH A 10.45% ANNUAL GROWTH RATE FOR WATER AND THEN A 10 POINT 89% GROWTH RATE OF WASTEWATER.
YOU KNOW, TO REALLY ANALYZE WHERE SOME OF THESE ARE COMING FROM.
YOU KIND OF HAVE TO GO INTO THE MASTER PLAN AND LOOK AND YOU SEE THE WATER ISN'T JUST THE SEA LIMITS, IT KIND OF POPS OUT INTO THE ETJ AND THERE'S SOME HIGHER DENSE DEVELOPED AREAS.
WASTE WATER IS THE ENTIRE ETJ.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM THAT, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LUE FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER.
UH, FIRST QUESTION IS, ACCORDING TO THE WATER MASTER PLAN, DO THE PROJECTED LUE, ARE THERE PROJECTED LOE FOR 2033 HERE, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE MASTER PLAN IS CALLING FOR? YES.
IF THE MASTER PLAN IS FOLLOWED THROUGH ON, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TRANSMISSIONS AND ELEVATED TANKS ARE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE FULLY ABLE TO SUPPORT THE 22,000.
UH, SEC SECOND QUESTION IS THE UH, WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA HAS A 36,000 L LU, BUT THAT DOES MATCH UP WITH THE PROJECTION OR POPULATION PROJECTION.
THIS, NOW MIND YOU, THIS IS CITY LIMITS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IN THIS POPULATION PROJECTION AROUND UH, 36,000, I THINK WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 3.3 PEOPLE PER LUE.
SO WE'RE SAYING AROUND A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING THOUSAND PEOPLE ON THAT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA MEASURE IT IN POPULATION 'CAUSE IT'S DOING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THAT'S A GOOD KINDA, UH, COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO.
I, I JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY FOR SERVICE AREA, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROJECTION IS LOW.
BASED ON THE POPULATION GROWTH.
IF YOU'RE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL 42,000.
JUST IN POPULATION, NOT INCLUDING BUSINESS IS WHAT YOU SAYING.
I THINK AS HE WAS STATING THE DIFFERENCE IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE HOMES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE PART, MOST HOMES TYPICALLY ARE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE OR MORE THAN RIGHT LIKE YOU SAID AVERAGING 3.33.
SO THAT WHATEVER YOU SAID A HUNDRED THOUSAND ISH SOMETHING, RIGHT? JUST AT, AT FIRST LUSH LOOKING AT THIS, I WAS LIKE YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 40,000 PEOPLE AND ONLY 24,000 WASTEWATER VUES.
BASED ON THAT YOU SAID THAT THE WASTEWATER
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IS INCLUDES ETJ MM-HMMSO NOW I DO HAVE SOME WAYS ON THAT PIECE BECAUSE OVERLAPPING WE ARE GROWING QUICKLY IN BETWEEN ALREADY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WITH VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, WE'RE GONNA GROW SPACE-WISE MUCH QUICKER OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AS WELL.
SO THAT PORTION OF THE POPULATION NEEDS TO GET FACTORED IN JUST BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THE DEFAULT MORE LAND AREA THAT WILL MAKE THAT AMOUNT HIGHER TO SOME DEGREE.
WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO RESEARCH THAT, THE ENC AGREEMENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TRACK.
BUT WE THINK THE HISTORIC GROWTH WILL DICTATE HOW YOU ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW JUST BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN YEAH.
AGAIN AND AGAIN ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST TO FIGURE OUT THE FEES.
SO THAT IS A GOOD POINT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP THERE AND WE WERE SHOWING YOU LIKE SAMSUNG A HUNDRED BILLION INVESTMENT, TWO AND A HALF MILES UP THE ROAD LIKE AND ALL OF THE ACCOMPANYING STUFF COMING WITH THAT, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE INCREASES THAT ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH HISTORICAL BECAUSE THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED BASED ON HISTORICAL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GAIN ROOFTOPS QUICKLY.
THAT WHOLE ADDITIONAL CORRIDOR THAT WE TOLD YOU AROUND SOUTHEAST LOOP, THAT'S ALL GONNA MOSTLY BECOME PART OF THE ETJ AND EVENTUALLY PART OF THE UM, CITY LIMITS IS GOING TO EXPLODE IN NUMBERS, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
SO, SO 8%, EIGHT IN FACT BE LOW PROBABLY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO ASSESS THAT.
SAMSUNG IS ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE CHECKERBOARD PORTION WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
SO, UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, UNIT COST APPROACH UPDATE WITHIN FIVE YEARS, MORE DATA ON HOW WE'VE BEEN TRACKING SINCE 20 20 20.
WE THINK THAT'LL BE ENOUGH TO COVER IT.
BUT FIVE YEARS I THINK DOES ALLEVIATE MY CONCERN A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE BASED ON A LOT OF THE GROWTH OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, IT WILL BE FIVE YEARS OR MORE BEFORE THEY FULLY BELT ALL THAT OUT.
SO, BUT QUESTION TAX NO, BUT NO QUESTION.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE, WE GOTTA EVALUATE ESPECIALLY THAT THE EDC PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS AND WHAT'S KIND OF GOING IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE OUR NUMBERS KIND OF COMPORT WITH THAT.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE LUE FOR A DATA CENTER? E FOR WHICH ONE? DATA CENTER ABOUT THE COMPUTER CENTER.
UH, SO ACTUALLY THERE IS, THERE IS, THERE IS A TRIP.
ARE YOU TALKING FOR ROSE OR FOR WATER? NEED WATER.
WE HAVE AT THE END OF PRESENTATION, I KEEP JUMPING AHEAD.
THERE IS A, THERE IS AN EQUIVALENCY TABLE.
NOW IF IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS DATA CENTER OR NOT MIND, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING IN IT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO IT OR YOU WANT THE PROVIDER ON, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL OH, OKAY.
MIGHT BE THAT'S THE ACTUAL, THAT'S ROAD ACTUALLY.
YOU'RE ONE SAYS SAMPLE ONLY IS ROAD AND THE ONE AFTER IT IS AS A WATER WASTEWATER.
SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE HAVING COMMUNICATIONS RIGHT NOW TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES FOR THE DATA CENTER THAT'S COMING TO TOWN.
AND SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS BECAUSE OUR CURRENT EQUIVALENCY TABLES THAT WE HAVE, DON'T CALL FOR DATA CENTER, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE IT TE LAND USE MANUAL, WHICH IS THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, THEY CLOSELY CORRELATE WITH WAREHOUSING IT LAND USE OF ONE 50 VERSUS ITE LAND USE OF ONE 60.
UM, AND THOSE ARE NOT, THOSE ARE JUST CODES FOR, FOR THE TYPE OF LAND USE.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE AGREED TO, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, IS TO LET THEM USE ITE LAND USE OF ONE 50.
SO FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER L LUE, IT'D PROBABLY BE VERY SIMILAR.
WE'D USE A WAREHOUSE IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GET THE NEW PLAN IN PLACE AND THEN WE CAN ADD DATA CENTER TO IT SPECIFICALLY.
THAT THAT'S A GREAT CLARIFICATION, MATT.
SO DO WE HAVE THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, YES.
SO WE WILL BE UPDATED EQUIVALENCY FOR ADDITIONAL LAND USES AS DATA IS AVAILABLE.
SO THIS TABLE I THINK CONTEMPLATED THE 10TH EDITION DRIP GEN OR MAYBE EVEN NINTH EDITION, BUT NOW WE HAVE MORE DATA FOR LAND USES.
SO THE ROAD ONE IS GONNA GET A LOT BIGGER AND SO WE'LL HAVE TRUE TRIP RATE DATA FOR ADDITIONAL LAND USES TAILORED UH, TO THE PREMIER TRIP AND THEN ALSO DRIP LANE INFORMATION.
SO WE ULTIMATELY TAILORED TO, TO HU SO AWESOME.
I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT JUST IT IS ONE OF THE I'VE SEEN THAT, YEAH, I'M JUST WANTING TO ENSURE COLLECTING WHAT MAKES SENSE TO COLLECT AND IT'S A LOW GENERATOR, A DATA CENTER FROM A ROAD PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? YOU GOT THIS LARGE MASSIVE AREA OF COMPUTERS AND YOU HAVE JUST A FEW PEOPLE MAKING SURE IT'S COOL ENOUGH AND THINGS ARE RUN ACCORDING TO COIL.
UH, ELLEN HAS A CLARIFICATION SHE WANTS TO POINT OUT.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOTICING, LOOKING BACK AT THE PRESENTATION, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TYPOS.
SO IF YOU WOULD, UM, WHIP OUT YOUR PEN IN CASE THERE IS ANY CONFUSION ON SLIDE 54, THE NET INCREASE IN POPULATION, THE FIRST TWO NUMBERS ARE FLIPPED.
INSTEAD OF 24, THAT SHOULD BE 42.
ACTUALLY IT'S PAGE 56 IN OUR PRESENTATION.
IT'S IF YOU LOOK SLIDE WHAT SHE GAVE US.
I DOWNLOADED THIS VERY TINY SLIDE NUMBERS ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR PAGE.
ONE MORE TIME WITH THAT CORRECTION POPULATION 2033, THE NET INCREASE, IT'S THE ONE STRING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF 24,000, SHOULD BE 42,000 IS CORRECT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? YES, IT'S CLOSER TO 42.
AND THEN ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE 56 OR OR TWO SLIDES LATER.
JUST TO CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION, WE HAVE A, OR IS THAT RIGHT HERE? IS IT REVERSED? NOPE,
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THAT ONE'S CORRECT.IT'S JUST POPULATION POPULATION NET INCREASE WILL BE ABOUT TWICE THE EMPLOYMENT NET INCREASE.
WE HAVE A HUMAN IN THE HOUSE, SO ERRORS CORRECTED.
YEAH, SO, UH, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE IS BY, BY WAY OF GROWTH SUMMARY JUST IN, IN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF WHAT'S ANTICIPATED COMMENTS REGARDING SOME EXTERNAL FACTORS AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT SOME OF THE GROWTH.
BUT WE THINK THAT FOR THE ROADS, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE INCREASING, YEAH, 42,000 ROUGHLY, UH, FOR A 20, A 10 YEAR PROJECTION OF ABOUT 74,000 PEOPLE UP FROM 32,000.
AND THEN EMPLOYMENT, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE INCREASING, UM, TO 42,000, UH, INCREASING ABOUT 24,000 JOBS.
UH, SO UP FROM YOUR CURRENT 17 FIVE TO ABOUT 42,000 IN, IN THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
SO WE'RE ADDING, UH, 42,000 POPULATION, 24,000 EMPLOYMENT.
AND THAT ALIGNS WITH ABOUT AN EIGHT AND A HALF, 8.75% POPULATION GROWTH RATE, 9% EMPLOYMENT GROWTH RATE FOR THE, THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER, AGAIN, THAT DAY ROOTED IN THE MASTER PLANS WATER KIND A 10.5% GROWTH RATE.
SO IN NET GROWTH OF ABOUT ALMOST 14,000, UH, LU, IS THAT RIGHT? LUE? MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, AND ALMOST A 10.89 WASTEWATER NET INCREASE OF ABOUT 23,000 LUE, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 36,000 OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
WE FEEL FAIRLY COMFORTABLE SINCE WE'RE REVIEWING THIS AGAIN AT LEAST SEVEN, FIVE YEARS.
AND THE, THE OTHER SAFEGUARDS THAT RUN THE UNIT COST BASIS, WE THINK THAT THERE'LL BE PLENTY CAPACITY BEING PROVIDED WITH THE ULTIMATE NETWORK FOR ROADS, THE, THE, THE UH, SYSTEM FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEKING IS IF YOU ALL FEEL, IF YOU ALL FEEL, UH, THAT, THAT OUR CRYSTAL BALL, UH, MAYBE ALIGNS WITH WHAT Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE IN MIND, WE THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE GROWTH RATES WE GO WITH SO THAT WE CAN GENERATE THE UA, SUMMARIZE THE, THE NUMBER CRUNCH, UH, AND THEN GENERATE THAT ZIP TO ADDRESS GROWTH.
YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? SO THAT'S THE, THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF CONCURRENCE ON THESE GROWTH RATES.
SO THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS I, I'LL TURN OVER TO YOU MATT, THERE ON ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING, UM, THE LUA REGARDING GROWTH RATES, UM, OR SEE IC CONCURRENCE ON THAT.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THE THING I BROUGHT UP BEFORE, I THINK THE GROWTH AS A WHOLE WILL GO FASTER THAN THE 8% THAT WE SAID.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE STUFF THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED BETWEEN THE MEGA SITE THAT IS IN THE C LIMITS AND THE SAMSUNG DEVELOPMENT AND MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL ALL BE BUILT WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
MOST LIKELY THINGS WILL BE BUILT SOONER BEFORE THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT RESIDENTIAL WISE AND THEN COMMERCIAL ET CETERA.
THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK MAKES THAT OKAY IS JUST BECAUSE WE ARE READDRESSING THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO PERSONALLY I WOULD BE OKAY WITH STICKING WITH THESE RATES JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW IF IT STARTS TO ACCELERATE QUICKER, WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON THAT AND MAKE THAT THE TOP THING THAT WE ADJUST IN IN FIVE YEARS WHEN WE RE-LOOK THIS.
I MEAN UNLESS THERE'S A COVID TYPE EVENT OR WHATEVER MAJOR ECONOMIC ISSUE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THIS SHOULD BE MINIMUM, THIS SHOULD BE THE MINIMUM SLOPE MAYBE AND BE PREPARED.
I'M NOT SAYING ACT ON IT, BUT BEING PREPARED FOR ONCE WE QUANTIFY THE CIP FOR THE ROADS, AT LEAST WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO SAY HEY, WE HAVE ENOUGH LEEWAY TO COVER AN ADDITIONAL OR A GROWTH RATE OF 10% OR 12%, BUT WE THINK THAT THIS CAN BE PLENTY.
SO YOU, WHEN WE WERE DOING A LITTLE ACTIVITY WITH OUR STICKERS AND STUFF, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT TAYLOR ISN'T ALLOWING ADDITIONAL, WAS IT DEVELOPMENT? RESIDENTIAL? RESIDENTIAL RIGHT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA GROW THERE OR BUILD THERE, WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE NATURALLY THEY'RE GONNA COME HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS KNOWN OR TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN, WELL ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THE TIME.
MAYBE ASHLEY KNOWS MARSH SINCE SHE'S WORK.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT MORATORIUM IS FOR 'CAUSE IT'S WASTEWATER BASED I THINK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I AM NOT AWARE IF IT WAS AN OFFICIAL MORATORIUM OR IF IT'S JUST, WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CITY COUNCIL OFFICIALLY DECLARED MORATORIUM.
HOPEFULLY ANYBODY HAS ON THE C TWO SIDES COULD, COULD WE HAVE C HURO TALK WITH C TAYLOR TO GET MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
OTHER THAN THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU ALL THAT THIS LOOKS SHOULD BE FINE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HARD TO MEASURE WHAT THE IMPACT MIGHT BE BASED ON ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
WE JUST, WELL I THINK IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE IMPACT WITH A WINDOW.
SO IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN OFFICIAL AND IT'S 18 MONTHS, THEN THAT'S MAYBE NEGLIGIBLE.
BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, I'M NOT A WASTEWATER WATER PERSON, BUT EVERYBODY'S GOT WATER PROBLEMS, WATER AND WASTEWATER AND, UH, STUDIO IS IS ALSO INCLUDED THAT, ALTHOUGH I THINK WE'RE IN BETTER STAND, BETTER STANDARD WE ARE.
BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING, WATER'S GONNA BE, THE NEXT OIL ISSUE ACROSS THE WORLD IS WATER.
AND NOW I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EDWARDS AQUIFER IS, IS, IS, IS IS KIDDING IS PROBABLY AROUND 50%.
WE A WHOLE CITIES LIKE SAN ANTONIO OFF OF IT, YOU GO DRAW AND EVERYTHING, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AQUIFER, IT'S 90% FULL.
SO, UH, BUT I MEAN AGAIN, I THINK IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT MAKING, I MEAN THAT'S MY POINT OF IS THEIR MODEL GONNA BE MORE REASON? WHAT
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WINDOW ARE WE LOOKING AT? IS IT OFFICIAL? IS IT NOT OFFICIAL? AND I THINK IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH, AS YOU STATED THAT WE'RE DOING THIS EVERY YEAR NOW.FIVE YEARS, WE CAN UPDATE IT AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS WE HAVE.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT EVERY TWO YEARS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED, THERE IS A MAJOR CHANGE OR SOMETHING.
WE HAVE TO DO IT EVERY FIVE LEGISLATIVE, BUT WE CAN DO IT WHENEVER WE NEED.
WELL, DIDN'T WE DO THE WASTEWATER WATER WASTEWATER IN 21? I THINK SO.
OR I THINK IT WAS 21 I 21 WAS THE LAST EFFECT.
I WAS LIKE I KNOW I WAS PART OF THAT PART.
UM, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WITH THE ROAD GROWTH AND NOT, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A CHANGE IN COUNCIL, A CHANGE IN T AND Z, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND IT DOESN'T GET LOOKED AT FOR FIVE YEARS AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO FALLING BEHIND THE CURVE AGAIN INSTEAD OF LEANING FORWARD AND I'M, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THESE WASTEWATER SERVICE AREAS BECAUSE THAT IMPACTS THE ETA, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE ARTERIALS AND CONNECTORS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED.
SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THE WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA GROWTH RATE OF 10 29 AS THAT MIGHT BE MORE REALISTIC FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH ROADWAY.
I GET, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL ASK AN OVERALL QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE OF OVERESTIMATING THE GROWTH RATE? YEAH.
UH, SO IT, IT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS THERE, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST, HERE, HERE'S HOW MUCH CIP PROVIDES.
THIS IS YOUR WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND THAT'S PREDICATED WITH LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, RIGHT? 8%, 9%, 6%, 12%, THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT WON'T CHANGE 'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY NEEDING THIS PART OF THAT CIP, IT'S ONLY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CIP TO COVER GROWTH.
IF THIS GROWTH STRETCHES OUT TO ABOVE, THEN WHAT IT DOES IS WE STRETCH THIS COST OVER MORE SERVICE UNITS DRIVING THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT DOWN.
SO WE'LL EVALUATE THAT AS PART OF THIS.
IN, IN OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PRELIMINARY CIP, SO WE'RE GONNA KNOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY'S BEING PROVIDED.
WE'RE GONNA KNOW HOW MUCH DEMAND IS GENERATED, WHETHER IT'S 8% OR 10%.
AND SO WE'LL KNOW GENERALLY WHAT THAT IMPLICATION MAY BE IF WE'RE USING ALL THAT CIP PROBLEM MEANS IT'LL DRIVE THAT CUSTOMER SERVICE UNIT.
I MEAN, WELL IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, IT JUST MEANS IT'S MORE SENSITIVE TO THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION.
AND THEN THAT, THAT WOULD LOWER THE MAXIMUM THAT THE CITY COULD COLLECT ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE SPREADING THE COST OUT.
AND THEN IF IT'S NOT RELOOKED IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF MASSIVE CHANGES OUTSIDE OF ETJ, IF IT'S NOT RELOOKED AT IN TWO YEARS, WE COULD BE FACING A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE SPREADING IT OUT AND GETTING YEAH.
I, IF IT'S NOT REALLY LOOKED AT IN THE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE'VE WORKED, WHERE WE HAVE A WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN THERE, WE'RE USING ANYWHERE FROM 10% TO MAYBE CLOSE TO 40% OF THAT CIPI MEAN THERE IS A BOATLOAD OF CAPACITY THERE.
UM, SO I, I GOTTA BELIEVE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU'RE, IF THAT, REMEMBER THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN MAP, IF THAT EVERY ROAD IS BUILT TO THOROUGH, FAIR STANDARD, YOU SHOULD HAVE PLENTY CAPACITY TO COVER THE 10 YEAR GROWTH.
IF WE DON'T, THAT'S A PROBLEM
WELL, BUT THE OTHER PART YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WITH THAT IS, AND I CAN SAY THIS RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THIRD FAIR PLAN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT ENTIRE THING WILL BE BUILT OUT FULL CAPACITY IN 10 YEARS.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT EITHER.
BUT REMEMBER AS A FUNDING TOOL, WE'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT IMPLEMENTING MM-HMM.
IT'S A ESSENTIALLY LIKE BORROWING AT A LOWER RATE.
I'M SORRY,
WHAT INTEREST RATE ARE WE GONNA ASSUME FOR DEBT? RIGHT? WE IN THE PAST, 'CAUSE THAT THING GOES UP AND DOWN.
WE'LL GET WITH THE, THE CITY FINANCIAL OFFICER TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE RATE DEBT SERVICE RATE THAT WE SHOULD USE? 3%, 4%? WE DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S HIGHER BECAUSE WHAT IT COMES DOWN RIGHT.
SO WE'VE BEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND 4%.
YEAH, LIKE I SAID THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS NOT HAVING ENOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE WE, YOU GOT IT COVERED.
SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH AN 8, 7, 5.
I MEAN IF YOU SHOULD, IF WE DON'T WANNA ROUND IT UP, MAKE IT NINE NINE, FINE.
NO, I MEAN YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS DID THE ANALYSIS WITH THE ANALYSIS.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SELL AT EIGHT POINTS.
THAT FIVE POPULATION, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT IN 9 CENT FOR EMPLOYMENT AND THEN 10.45 AND 10 POINT LET EIGHT NINE FOR WATER AND WASTE WATER RESPECTIVELY.
NINE ARE DIRECTLY OFF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANS.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RUN ADDRESSED AND THAT'S YOUR SPECIALTY AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM.
UM,
WE, WE CAN'T CONSIDER WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE THE CITY BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO ON OUT THERE.
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WHAT, BUT WE'RE SAFEGUARDED IN THAT WE COULD COME BACK HERE IN TWO YEARS IN ONE YEAR AND SAY HE WAS RIGHT COMMISSIONER.WE BUMP IT UP BIG TIME MADAM CHAIRMAN, WE DO UH, NEED THE COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION FOR THOSE PERCENTAGES AS A PART SO THAT THE TEAM CAN GO AND DO THE ANALYSIS.
DO YOU, QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.
DO YOU NEED POPULATION EMPLOYMENT OR DO YOU NEED POPULATION EMPLOYMENT? WATER WASTEWATER.
PATRICIA, YOU NEED TO WAIT FOR ASHLEY TO GET BACK SO SHE CAN YEAH, I THINK WE DO WRITE THIS ALL MATT'S OVER THERE.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSE TO COUNSEL GROWTH SCENARIO PERCENTAGE RATES OF 8.75 FOR POPULATION.
10.45 FOR WATER AND 10.89 FOR WASTEWATER.
SO VICE CHAIR HUDSON HAS MADE THE MOTION TO POSE FOR GROWTH ON POPULATION AT 8.75.
EMPLOYMENT AT 9.00 WATER AT 10.45 WASTEWATER AT 10.89 AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LEE.
ALL IN FAVOR DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? YES FOR THE AMENDMENT? I DUNNO IF YOU INCLUDED THE YEARS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IMPORTANT OR PERTINENT.
10 YEAR 20 23, 20 20 33 BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE RATES FOR THAT SPECIFIC.
UH, THESE ARE, THESE ARE ANNUAL GROWTH RATES.
NO FOR A WINDOW IN TIME FOR LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS THAT CONTEMPLATE THE NEXT 10 YEAR WINDOW IS PERTINENT OR NOT.
IT'S NOT, I I TAKE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEAR PROJECTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE WE WILL VOTE.
JUST BY WAY OF NEXT STEPS, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ELEMENTS THERE ON THE SCREEN THERE OF WHAT WE'LL BE DOING AS PART OF OUR TECHNICAL WORK.
WE WILL HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE UPDATED LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, BUT WE'LL HAVE A, UH, AN EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE DOING AS REQUIRES PROBABLY THE ENUMERATION.
WE'LL HAVE THE TENURE PROJECTION, PRELIMINARY, CIP, UH, THOSE ARE THE KEY ITEMS THAT WE'LL HAVE FOR THE NEXT GO ROUND.
THE SERVICING EQUIVALENCY TABLE, WE WON'T HAVE THE FULL ONE DONE FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL HAVE KEY CATEGORICAL ELEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO PROJECT TENURE VNT.
SO THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE RESIDENTIAL, SAME TIME RESIDENTIAL GENERAL OFFICE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND GENERAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THOSE GOING FORWARD.
WE'LL BE ABLE, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THAT UPDATED TENURE OF THE LAND USE EQUIVALENCY TABLE.
THEN THAT'LL ROUND OUT FOR THE REPORT AND IT'LL BE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS BY COUNCIL.
SO WE ARE TARGETING OUR NEXT MEETING IN APRIL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING THE LUA AND CIP WE'LL PROBABLY BE MEETING WITH YOU ALL, UH, ON THE MOBILITY PLAN SIDE WITH HERE'S THE DRAFT OF FAIR PLAN SO WE CAN GET YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO, UM, THE COUNCIL WITH IT.
SO IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BEFORE APRIL, I THINK THAT'S AS A, IN A P, P AND C MEETING? YES.
UH, WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE, NOT THE CIAC.
BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT APRIL 2ND IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR EXISTING D MEETING.
UM, SO AGAIN, JUST CLARIFY WITH THAT.
SO PRELIMINARY CIP APRIL 2ND FROM THE ROAD SIDE, THAT IS THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN? YES.
SINCE WE'RE DECIDING TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE THING IN THAT, SO HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE EXTRA WORK.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA VALIDATE THE THIRD FAIR PLAN.
GET THAT ALL ACCORDING TO HOYLE BEFORE WE CAN DO THE CIP.
SO AS FAR AS OUR SUGGESTIONS AND WRITE UP AND STUFF, FOR THE THIRD FAIR PLAN, FOR THE NEW VERSION DRAFT, WHEN DO WE IDEALLY NEED TO GET THOSE TO STAFF TO GET THEM TO YOU BY, TO GET THAT DRAFT READY BY THEN? THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE END OF MARCH, MID MID END OF MARCH.
YEAH, SO THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO CHEW ON IT SO WHEN WE CONVENE WE CAN DISCUSS ANY ISSUE AREAS AND DO SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, WITH THAT IT'S ANY OTHER FINAL Q AND A OR, OR WRAP UP? SORRY THIS THING TOOK SO LONG.
WE APPRECIATE YEAH, WELCOME HUDDLE.
I, I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH YOU GUYS.
SORRY I MISSED THE MEETING THAT NIGHT WITH THE INTRODUCTION.
IF THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS THEN WE WILL ADJOURN.
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AT NINE.IF I COULD, IF I COULD ASK ONE OTHER THING, I KNOW WE'VE ADJOURNED.
IF WE COULD UN ADJOURNED, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO MEET PERHAPS ANY EARLIER ONLY BECAUSE TECHNICAL QUESTION, ET CETERA.
IF WE COULD DO AGAIN, I CAN SEND IT OUT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING AT THE NEXT, AT, AT THE APRIL 2ND TIME.
UM, MARK ON APRIL 2ND YOU MEAN? YEAH.
WE CAN SEND OUT A CORRESPONDENCE ON THAT AND SEE UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S HARDER THE BACK, BUT IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY CAN THINK IF WE CAN GET A QUORUM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE DISCUSSED AND THEN WE CAN YOU CAN COME AND YOU DON'T JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE THERE.
JUST THOUGHT THANK YOU FOR CONSIDER.
I THINK SIX O'CLOCK IS PROBABLY THE EARLIEST WE CAN DO.