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WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.THAT'S HAD CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NOT IN ATTENDANCE.
[Planning and Zoning on February 6, 2024.]
OKAY.AND WE WILL CALL THE, UH, CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024 TO ORDER AT 7:00 PM AM ALL RIGHTY.
AND MISSING IS COMMISSIONER LAWYER.
UH, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 7:02 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 7 0 2.
THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
NOTHING UNDER CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL GO TO ITEM FIVE.
AGENDA ITEMS 5.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TWO NAMES THAT NEED TO BE REVISED, OTHERWISE, I THINK WE WERE GOOD ON THOSE.
WHICH, UH, WHICH ITEM? UH, FOUR ONE AND FOUR TWO HAVE THANK YOU CORRECTIONS.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CHANGES IN ITEMS 4.1 AND 4.2 AND THAT'S, UH, CORRECTING THE NAMES.
SECOND, UH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHO COREY DE DEANNA IS, AND BRIAN'S NAME IS SPELLED WRONG.
YOU KNOW WHO HE IS? COREY DANINA.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LAWYER ALL IN ANY DISCUSSION THAT LAWYER, I'M, I'M SORRY.
RIGHT ITEM, ITEM 5.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2023.
SO I WASN'T AT THAT MEETING AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE MINUTES ARE ACCURATE OR NOT.
IS THAT OKAY? ASHLEY? DOES THAT WORK? I THINK SHE SAID YES.
DID SHE HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING? MM-HMM.
SHE, UH, WELL, FOR A RECUSAL, YES.
LET'S GET YOU WITH, UM, THAT'S IT.
IT'S A DIGITAL THING YOU CAN DO.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SIMILARLY, I COULD DO THE SAME THING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT US OUT OF QUORUM TO VOTE ON IT.
UM, IT'S STILL A QUORUM FOR THE MEETING, SO IT WON'T MATTER ON THE VOTE.
I HAVE MY MINUTES IN FRONT OF ME FROM THE OCTOBER 10TH, BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER WHY WE DELAYED IT SO LONG.
DO WE KNOW WHY THAT WAS? THEY FORGOT TO PUT IT WITH THE NOVEMBER PACKET END DECEMBER.
EVERY TIME THAT WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO THOSE OCTOBER MINUTES, WE HAVE TO GET 'EM IN THE PACKET AND THEN WE'LL PRODUCE A PACKET WHILE LIKE, WE DIDN'T PUT THE OCTOBER MINUTES
AND IN JANUARY WHEN IT WAS PUT IN THE PACKET, THERE WAS A, UH, CORRECTION, I BELIEVE ON FOUR TWO MM-HMM.
KICKBACK, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST, JUST CURIOUS.
AS, AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS RECUSING, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH RECUSING, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM APPROVING MINUTES.
EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T PRESENT AS IT'S KIND OF A YES.
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I SEE NO ERRORS IN THE MINUTES AND THAT'S THE POINT.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ERRORS.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REFERENCE.
I DON'T HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE SINCE I WASN'T IN ATTENDANCE TO KNOW IF THERE'S AN ERROR OR NOT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST TO LET 'EM DO IT JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
I'M, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT YEAH.
I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM TOO, BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW.
KIND OF LIKE THE SITUATION WE HAVE NOW WHERE, OKAY.
THREE PEOPLE WEREN'T PRESENT AND THAT WOULD TAKE US DOWN TO THREE VOTES IF ALL THREE OF 'EM WERE RECUSED.
JUST SAYING CUS I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE, SO, UNDERSTOOD.
IS THERE ANY, ASHLEY, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GET, UH, I'LL GET A LEGAL OPINION ON IT.
JUST TO GET TO YOU GUYS, JUST, JUST A NOTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT PASSES CHARTER OR NOT, BUT THE NEW RULES WHICH ARE FOR CITY COUNCIL, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD BE FOR COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, EVERY PERSON THAT WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT A MEETING MUST APPROVE THE MINUTES OR VOTE ON APPROVING THE MINUTES.
WELL, IN THE CHART IN THE CHARTER.
AT, IN THE CHARTER, IT SAYS ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL VOTE.
BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO BOARDS.
IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPLY TO, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY WERE ON THE COM, THE CHARTER REVIEW.
IT, IT WASN'T ON THE BOARD'S PART.
ALRIGHT, SO PLUS THAT, THAT STILL HAS TO GO BEFORE VOTERS, SO IT WOULDN'T BE IN EFFECT UNTIL MAY.
AND WELL EFFECT OR NOT, IT'S KIND OF SPEAR.
I DO SEE ONE, UH, SPELLING CORRECTION ON ITEM 5.3.
UH, WHERE IT SAYS MOHO PAST THREE I'S TO ONE NAY.
UH, WE, I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 10TH, 2023.
UH, WITH THE CORRECTION TO ITEM FIVE THREE.
OTHERWISE AS PRESENTED, I'LL SECOND.
I MUST BE LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE.
YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT JANUARY, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? OCTOBER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 5.2.
ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY OR NO? ALL RIGHTY.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES 2020 EDITION AS AMENDED.
CHAPTER THREE, LAND USE STANDARDS OF THE CITY OF HU BY AMENDING CHAPTER TWO, ADMINISTRATION BY AMENDING 10.203.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS AMENDING CHAPTER THREE, LAND USE STANDARDS SECTION 10.30, 4.9, TEMPORARY USES AND AMENDING SECTION 10.31, 0.5.
ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE ANYBODY IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10 PM IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:10 PM THANK YOU.
SO, UM, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT CAME OUT OF A COUNCIL WORKSHOP BACK IN DECEMBER.
UM, WATCHED IT A FEW TIMES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF WAS CLEAR ON THE DIRECTION BECAUSE WE STARTED, THE CONVERSATION OCCURRED, IT WENT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AND THEN THEY GAVE DIRECTIONS.
SO PRETTY MUCH WATCHED THE BEGINNING AND THE END JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LIST WAS GOOD.
SO REALLY I THINK THERE IS ALWAYS, AND THIS IS ALL IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE'S I THINK SOME MISCONCEPTIONS BETWEEN WHAT THIS CODE OF ORDINANCE SAYS AND THEN ALSO WHAT THE UDC SAYS.
SO CODE OF ORDINANCES DEALS WITH THE TRULY MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS.
UM, AND THEY CALL THOSE MOBILE STREET VENDORS.
THOSE DO HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE THIS HAD NEVER BEEN CONTEMPLATED IN THE CODE.
THE PROVISIONS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WERE COPIED INTO THE UDC IN 2018 AND THE REQUESTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE WORKSHOP WAS, UM, IN PART TO JUST REMOVE THE WORK, THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND SO THERE WAS MENTION AT THE WORKSHOP OF GOING TO POTENTIALLY
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11:00 PM UM, YOU COULD CERTAINLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, WHAT I DID, JUST BECAUSE NO OTHER EATING PLACE HAS ESTABLISHED BUSINESS HOURS IN THE UDC.IS I JUST REMOVED TO THAT COMPLETELY? SO YOU HAVE THE RED LINES IN YOUR, UM, PACKET.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE REMOVED A LOT OF LANGUAGE IN THE PACKET JUST TO GET TO THE INTENT OF WHAT I WAS HEARING AT THAT WORKSHOP.
BUT ALSO THEN NOT FURTHER MESS WITH JUST, OKAY, NO OPERATING HOURS OF NO OTHER RESTAURANT IN THE CITY HAS TO HAVE OPERATING HOURS, THEN THIS DOESN'T EITHER.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CODE THAT ACTUALLY HAS BUSINESS HOURS UNLESS IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS LIKE THAT AND THERE ARE CONDITIONAL, UM, SECTION.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THING IS JUST TO REALLY TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT WE MEAN BY A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING BY THAT IS REALLY IT'S THOSE THAT ARE SELLING FROM A, THERE'S CHANGES IN THERE SELLING FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S NOT THE MOBILE STREET VENDOR THAT SELLS FROM THE STREET AND JUST MAKES UM, SEVERAL STOPS, BUT IS USUALLY AN ALMOST CONTINUOUS MOTION.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR IS REALLY JUST TO SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE GOING TO STAY THERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, AND I'M NOT TALKING 20 MINUTES, LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ALMOST A FIXTURE AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, PROVIDING IN THIS CODE UPDATE.
AND THEN, UM, MAINLY YOU CAN SEE HERE JUST THE TWO.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST TO DEFINE THAT USE AND WE TOOK OUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION SO IT REALLY DOES JUST MIRROR THE OTHER BUSINESS HOURS AS HOURS FOR ANY OTHER EATING ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT, UM, CAN YOU SAY WHAT PAGE YOU'RE ON IN THE PACKET? OH, SURE.
THIS INFORMATION IS MOSTLY ON, YEAH, THESE ARE TABLES, BUT I DON'T SEE 11, 12.
ANY RED LINE YOU'RE SAYING ON 11? YEAH, IT'S RED.
THERE'S A RED LINE ON, THERE'S ONLY ONE LITTLE TINY THING ON.
THERE'S ONE LITTLE, DO YOU SEE THAT ONE? OH, I, I SEE IT NOW.
YEAH, IT'S GOT, IT'S VERY MINOR.
UM, UM, SO WE REMOVED THE HOURS OF OPERATION AS DISCUSSED.
UM, THE USE CHART IS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
SO WE'RE, IT USED TO HAVE A P FOR PERMITTED, NOW IT SAYS C SO THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING.
UM, AND THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS NOW ALLOWED, UH, AMENDED AS COUNSEL HAS, UH, REQUESTED TO ALLOW STAFF TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE FOOD TRUCKS, UM, WITH AN APPEAL.
AND I ADDED IN THE APPEAL TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS TAKING TOO LONG BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT AT THE TIME YOU WOULD NORMALLY SUBMIT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEY FELT LIKE, WELL IF IT'S JUST A FOOD TRUCK, LIKE IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD JUST SPEED UP THIS PROCESS? SO THAT REALLY CAME FROM COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S NOW REFLECTED IN HERE THAT WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AT A STAFF LEVEL AND THEN IF THERE'S AN APPEAL, IT WOULD COME HERE MORE OF JUST HERE'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING, HERE'S WHAT WE NOT.
AND THE OTHER PART THAT WE ADDED IN, 'CAUSE WE'VE NEVER REALLY TRULY HAD THIS, IS REALLY JUST SETTING THAT MINIMUM LEVEL OF THE EXPECTATION OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO SEE TO MAKE SURE THAT FOOD TRUCKS OR A GROUP OF FOOD TRUCKS, SO ALMOST A MORE OF A FOOD TRUCK LOT IS REALLY SET UP TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF FOOD TRUCKS AND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, DOING RIGHT.
BECAUSE THESE CAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESSENTIALLY A TEMPORARY USE, THEY CAN HAVE SOME IMPACT ON SURROUNDING USES.
UM, ONE THING THAT THIS DOES NOT COVER, AND I WANNA MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATION, THIS DOES NOT AFFECT FARMER'S MARKETS.
THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE, UH, TENT VENDORS, WHICH ARE REALLY JUST KINDA THE ROADSIDE VENDORS.
UM, THAT IS STILL COVERED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT'S NEVER BEEN COVERED IN THE UDC.
UM, AND THIS DOES NOT COVER THOSE MOBILE STREET VENDORS, WHICH ARE THOSE TRULY MOBILE TRUCKS LIKE ICE CREAM TRUCKS AND OTHER THINGS THAT'S AS DEFINED.
SO WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH THAT.
WE'RE REALLY JUST MESSING WITH THIS FOOD TRUCK PORTION.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF, I THINK THE CONFUSION ABOUT WHO IS DOING WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES AND WHAT DO WE NEED.
SO YOU WILL SEE IN HERE THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
UM, WE, THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE GET RIGHT NOW.
UM, HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE, I THINK WE'RE ALL MISSING A PAGE.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS TRULY JUST AMENDING THIS.
BUT I WILL PULL THAT UP FOR YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY PACKET, WHICH I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY PACKET.
THAT MEANS YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE IT IN YOURS EITHER.
LOOKS ARE MISSING A FRONT AND BACK PAGE.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, THERE IS A FRONT AND BACK PAGE THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD THE DEFINITION AND JUST THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR.
UM, WHILE I AM LOOKING FOR THIS, I WILL TELL YOU, IF
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YOU LOOK AT THE USE CHART, IT WAS AN ODD HOLDOVER, I BELIEVE FROM THE TIME THAT WE HAD A SMART CODE AND IT WENT INTO THE FORM BASED CODE.THE FOOD TRUCKS WERE STILL ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN DOWNTOWN.
UM, THAT'S BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED I THINK, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT I NOTICED THAT WHEN WE, I WAS GOING THROUGH MAKING THE, UM, PEAS AND THE SKIS AND I WAS LIKE, OH GOODNESS, WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWING THAT.
SO IT REALLY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF JOKED ABOUT NOBODY WOULD WANT A FOOD TRUCK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
AND I WAS LIKE, BUT WE ARE ALLOWING IT.
AND SO IN ANY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN THE CITY, UNLESS IT'S TRULY THE MIXED USE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE HOMES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE MORE OF THAT COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE IN A BUSIER AREA, THAT'S WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED.
WHAT ABOUT, AND LIKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE A, A SWIMMING POOL AREA AND A REC CENTER AND THINGS AND, AND WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS COME IN MOBILE, LIKE SNOW CONES.
THEY COME IN FOR A FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING.
I ASSUME THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME PERMITTING TO, TO JUST OPERATE IN THE CITY.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE THERE FOR FOUR HOURS TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY COVERED BY THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, THIS IS TRULY, THIS IS MORE LIKE HAPPY PANINI THAT CAME HERE TOO LONG AGO.
OR LIKE THE FOOD CHECKOUT ON FARLEY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AND SIT.
SO IF IT'S, THIS IS MORE OF AN ITINERANT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS MORE ITT TYPE OF VENDOR OR IT'S JUST FOR LIKE YOUR SPECIAL EVENT.
RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE COVER THOSE THROUGH A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS.
IT'S A PERMIT, UM, IF IT'S A CITY EVENT OR IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BLOCK SOME STREETS, THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS WHY THE CITY GETS INVOLVED IN THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE THOSE ITEMS. BUT YEAH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I KNOW FOR MY TEAM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE OVERLY INVOLVED IN BECAUSE WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THOSE USES THAT COULD AFFECT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT FOR ONE OF THOSE TRULY TEMPORARY USES THAT COULD BE IN LIKE AT A HOA POOL FOR A FEW HOURS.
THAT'S NOT REALLY AFFECTING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IN A LASTING WAY.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT, THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT I HEARD WAS THE INTENT OUT OF THAT WORKSHOP WAS TO, UM, CONSTRUCT EVERYTHING.
IT WAS REALLY JUST, OKAY, IF FOOD TRUCKS WANNA COME IN, THIS HAS ACTUALLY WORKED.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD THAT IN THE CODE EVEN BACK TO 2011.
HOW DO WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? BUT HOW DO WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING A NUISANCE? THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, SO THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS ANY OTHER CUSTOMERS HAVE A PLACE TO WASH THEIR HANDS, HAVE A PLACE TO USE A RESTROOM IF NECESSARY, EITHER ON THAT SITE OR THROUGH AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, HOW ARE COUNTY, OH, SORRY.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PULL UP A DEFINITION.
I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT COULD BENEFIT EVERYONE IS IF SOMEWHERE IN PROBABLY BOTH CODES UDC AND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THERE WAS A CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN MOBILE FOOD VENDOR AND MOBILE STREET VENDOR, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A TIMEFRAME, IF YOU'RE IN A LOCATION LONGER THAN THREE DAYS OR SOMETHING, THEN NOW YOU'RE A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR AND YOU MUST FOLLOW THESE RULES OR SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE.
THAT WAY IF YOU ARE GONNA BE AT AN EVENT FOR A WEEKEND, THEN IT DOESN'T APPLY.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOW GOING TO BE IN THAT LOCATION FOR LONGER THAN X NUMBER OF DAYS, THEN NOW YOU'RE CONSIDERED A FOOD VENDOR.
I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY AS PEOPLE UP THERE, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE SOMEWHERE FOR A WEEKEND TO HAVE TO TRY TO FOLLOW THE FOOD VENDOR RULES.
WELL I THINK ON SOME OF THAT, IF THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND SIT AT ONE OF THOSE FOOD TRUCK LOTS, THAT WAS THE DIRECTION.
IF IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A SPECIAL EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS WHERE WE NEED TO KNOW.
UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY FIRE IMPLICATIONS OR FIRE CODE IMPLICATIONS ON SEVERAL OF THESE THAT IF YOU'RE TOO CLOSE, WE'VE GOT THE PROBLEM.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS THE PAGE THAT'S NOT IN YOUR PACKET AND THIS IS THE FUN STUFF THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
WE ARE TOTALLY MISSING THAT TURN YOUR MISSING ONE OF THE, IT'S A BACK PAGE.
I THINK IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT DIDN'T PRINT OR WHAT THE DEAL IS.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE DEFINITION, UM, WE DO LIKE TO USE THE WORD PROPULSION A LOT, BUT IT REALLY JUST ADDED A SENTENCE THAT SAYS THIS SECTION APPLIES TO THE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS THAT SERVE FROM A PRIVATE LOT AND REMAIN GENERALLY STATIONARY DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
SEE, I, OKAY, I'M JUST ABOUT DEFINE DEFINING BUSINESS HOURS.
WHAT IS A BUSINESS HOUR TO WE ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY? SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE, SO WHEN THEY ARE OPEN IS DURING THEIR BUSINESS HOURS.
SO IF A TRUCK SAYS I'M GONNA BE OPEN FROM NINE UNTIL FIVE AND THEY ARE MOSTLY STATIONARY ON A PRIVATE LOT, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
WHERE ARE YOU PARKING? ARE YOU TAKING UP PARKING? DO YOU HAVE THESE OTHER, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I STILL THINK THIS DEFINITION IS TOO VAGUE BECAUSE IF YOU READ THIS, THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME IT APPLIES TO, TO SERVE FOOD FROM A PRIVATE LOT AND GENERALLY REMAINS STATIONARY DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
SOMEONE THAT TECHNICALLY IS AT
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AN HOA POOL IS ON A PRIVATE LOT AND IS REMAINING STATIONARY DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS THAT THEY HAVE.ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FOR MORE THAN ONE DAY.
SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT FROM A CLARITY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY SINCE COUNCIL DISCUSSED THIS A LOT, APPARENTLY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT THE DEFINITION IS MM-HMM.
TO DISTINGUISH THE TWO TO MAKE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER MORRIS SAID WHERE IT WAS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTY TO OUR HOA AND WE WANT A FOOD TRUCK THERE.
THAT'S NOT ONE, BECAUSE THAT IS AN EVENT FOR THE HOA IF IT'S A FOOD TRUCK THAT HAS WORKED WITH THE HOA JUST TO BE ABLE TO SET UP SHOP AT THE POOL NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERMIT, THAT IS WHEN WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED.
AND, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT YOU JUST SAID NEEDS TO BE IN WORDS IN THE CODE.
HOW WOULD YOU, BECAUSE TO ME THAT IS WHAT THAT APPLIES.
IF THE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR IS NOT PERMITTED THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS, THEN THIS APPLIES.
WELL, MOBILE FOOD VENDORS ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
WITH CONDITIONS UNDER 10.30 0.52.
A VENDOR WHO OPERATES OR SELLS FOOD FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION AND IS NOT PERMITTED THROUGH A ANOTHER PROCESS OR ANOTHER CODE, ANOTHER ORDINANCE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE WITH THAT IS, AND THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS BECAUSE MOBILE STREET VENDOR, WE DON'T HAVE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR DEFINED IN ANY OTHER CODE.
AND THAT'S WHERE MOBILE, THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME OF THAT CONFUSION COMES FROM IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING A MOBILE STREET VENDOR AND A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR THE SAME THING.
MAYBE COULD WE JUST ADD ANOTHER LINE AND THIS IS JUST BALL PARKING YOU CAN DECIDE TO JUST PUT AT THE END, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT TEMPORARY STREET VENDORS DO NOT APPLY TO THIS AND MUST FOLLOW THE DIFFERENT CITY CODE OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE IF PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THIS AND THEY ARE JUST DECIDING THAT THEY'RE COMING FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE DAYS THAT THEY DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN THINK THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THIS AND START TRYING TO APPLY FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING AND THEY'RE SITTING SOMEWHERE FOR A COUPLE DAYS, THEY DO HAVE TO YES.
BUT THEY ARE TAKING UP, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE CALLING AND SAYING THEY DIDN'T GET APPROVAL FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, OR THEY'RE TAKING UP, UM, REQUIRED PARKING AND THIS IS ALL OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WE'RE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND IN THE CASE WITH, UH, IN THE HOA, THE HUDDLE PARKWAY, THERE IS A FAIRLY LARGE PARKING LOT.
IT PROBABLY HAS MAYBE 20 SPOTS AND 90% OF THE TIME THAT'S WE, WE SET UP THE VI OR SNOW CONGA.
BUT THEY, BUT SOMETIMES THEY PARK IN THE STREET ON A NARROW CORNER WITH TONS OF CHILDREN, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.
AND NOW THIS BIG PANEL TRUCK HAS CREATED BLIND SPOTS FOR PEOPLE LEAVING THE PARK OR THE SWIMMING POOL AND GOING NORTHBOUND ON AN EAST WEST STREET THAT'S HAS NO HOUSES ON IT.
THESE ARE THOSE EAST WEST STREETS THAT PEOPLE SPEED ON.
NOW I AGREE THAT'S ANOTHER INFRACTION, BUT THERE'S NO MARK CROSSWALK.
SO KIDS ARE COMING THERE AND WHEN, AND I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THEY PARK IT IN THE STREET, BUT I HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE H-O-A-I-I HAVE ONE CHANGE SUBJECT A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT, IS THERE A THIRD DEFINITION? I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED HERE OR NOT.
WELL WHAT ABOUT VENDORS THAT AREN'T SELLING FOOD ITEMS, CANDLES, BELTS OR WHATEVER, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEFINED BY CITY CODE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY IN THOSE TRUCKS.
UM, THEY'RE NOT IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FOOD TRUCK OR MEET THIS WHERE IT'S FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
UM, ISN'T ISN'T THAT AN AN ITINERANT VENDOR THOUGH? YEAH.
SO PART OF THAT COULD BE ITINERANT VENDOR.
THAT'S MORE IF YOU'RE SELLING FIREWOOD OR PEACHES.
BUT THAT'S NOT COVERED UNDER OUR UDC.
THAT REALLY IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT JUST COME IN FOR THE DAY.
THEY SELL AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
BUT THAT IS THAT'SS WHERE WE WANT THEM TO.
THAT IS COVERED UNDER CODE OF ORDINANCES, ISN'T IT? THAT IS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND THAT'S ALL AS LONG IT'S COVERED.
I JUST, AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE MOBILE STREET VENDOR RATHER THAN CALL IT A MOBILE STREET VENDOR, JUST CALL IT AN ITINERANT VENDOR.
IT IS YOU ARE SELLING, WHETHER IT'S FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION OR FIREWOOD, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
MAYBE YOU'RE IN A PARKING LOT, WHATEVER, BUT YOU'RE A TEMPORARY ROADSIDE THING.
AND THAT'S COVERED BY ORDINANCE.
THAT IS NOT UDC BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PERMANENT, YOU OR SEMI-PERMANENT.
SO I DEFINITELY BRING THAT BACK TO PD ON THIS ONE.
WE DID NOT TOUCH ANYTHING THAT WAS CODE OF ORDINANCES.
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ONLY THING THAT WE WERE DOING IS JUST TOUCHING THE UDC MM-HMM.AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, I'M JUST SAYING, IS THIS SOMETHING LEFT OUT THAT Y'ALL, Y'ALL NEED TO LOOK AT? AND THEN I WE TAKE YOUR ADVICE.
WELL, IF IT'S COVERED UNDER CODE OF ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE UDC.
I MEAN IT COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY POINT.
ENSURE THAT YOU'RE NOT, I MEAN, I THINK, UM, FURTHER IN HERE I CAN SHOW YOU, UM, WE DO REFERENCE THE ILLICIT DUMPING AND WASTEWATER POLICY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO EITHER HAVE TANKS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EMPTIED, BUT IF YOU'RE STAYING THERE, WHERE ARE YOU EMPTYING? IS SOMEBODY COMING IN? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO END UP SEEING TO MAKE SURE, UH, BECAUSE WE DID KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME ILLICIT DUMPING GOING ON.
AND AND I THINK THE CODE OF ORDINANCE WILL COVER THE GUYS WHO ARE COMING IN FOR THE DAY.
AND WE CAN JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE.
AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE HANDLED BY CODE OF ORDINANCE AND, AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
WHICH IS, WELL, I, I WAS GOING TO CONTINUE THAT.
I WENT OUT TO THE FOOD TRUCK FRIDAY THE NIGHT AFTER THAT COUNCIL MEETING AND THERE WERE A TON OF QUESTIONS.
AND I TOLD THOSE VENDORS OVER THERE, HAPPY PANINI, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I TOLD THOSE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS WHEN IT COMES UP, MAKE SURE YOU GET TO P AND Z.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS A SHORT FUSE OR, OR WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT CONCERNS ME THAT NONE OF THEM ARE HERE AFTER I TALKED TO THEM DIRECTLY AND SAID, YOU NEED TO SHOW UP TO P AND Z.
WELL WHEN, WELL, WHEN I WAS AT THE WORK SESSION ON THIS FOR C AS WAS I, RIGHT? REMEMBER? NO, I WAS NOT.
UM, THE, WELL, THERE WAS, UM, A LARGE, UM, NEGATIVE, UH, OPINIONS TOWARD THE FARMER'S MARKET PERIOD.
AND I TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT WERE FOOD VENDORS, TRUCK OF, OF FOOD TRUCKS AND BRICK AND MORTAR PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T WANT 'EM THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE COMPETING WITH THEM.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK, THAT'S MY OPINION.
BUT THE, THE, THE, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PANINI FOLKS, AND I CAN, I CAN USE THEM BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO THEM.
THEY WERE AGAINST THE FARMER'S MARKETS YET THEY'RE THE FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS COVERING.
AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO I'M UN I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NO FARMER'S MARKET PEOPLE HERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NOT ANY FOOD TRUCK PEOPLE HERE.
I DIDN'T TALK TO THE FARMER'S MARKET PEOPLE.
I TALKED TO THE FOOD TRUCK PEOPLE.
SO WHY AREN'T, I'M CONCERNED WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE.
BUT BECAUSE IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, IT'S MAKING IT LIFE IS EASIER FOR THEM.
AND THERE'S NOTHING AFFECTING THE FARMER'S MARKET THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT.
I I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET.
I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THAT'S IN, IN MY VIEW NOW THAT I'M READING INTO THIS, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE FARMER MARKET STUFF AT ALL.
BUT WE ARE SAYING IN HERE, WE'RE MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WE'RE GETTING RID OF THEIR HOURS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT.
WE'RE MOVING RESTRICTIONS KEY FOR IT.
WE'RE REMOVING OTHER RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE MAKING THEIR LIVES EASIER.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR, SO I COULD SEE WHY THERE'S NO NECESSARILY NO REASON WHY THEY NEED TO BE HERE.
UM, BUT NO, YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE HERE TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
AND GIVEN THAT WE GOT THIS PACKET TODAY, I'M WORRIED THAT MAYBE WE SHORT FUSED THEM.
AND DID WE NEED THE, I'M GONNA BE VERY BLUNT.
THERE'S MANY OTHER TIMES THAT WE HAVE VERY HIGH PRESSING ISSUES IN THIS TOWN AND WE GET TWO PEOPLE.
BUT SO IF WE CAN JUST STAY BACK TO THE YEAH.
IT WAS ONLINE AS OF FRIDAY AFTERNOON, PROBABLY AROUND TWO THREE.
UH, IT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WAS NOTIFIED LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER UDC PUBLIC HEARING.
I KNOW THAT, UM, MY STAFF ALSO DID TELL SOMEONE WHO WAS ATTEMPTING TO GET A FOOD TRUCK IN THAT THIS WAS OCCURRING, BUT THEY WERE PAST THE DEADLINE BECAUSE THIS HAD NOT YET BEEN ADOPTED.
WE COULDN'T APPROVE THEM AND WE CAN'T TAKE THEM IN AS AN INCOMPLETE APPLICATION.
AND IT WAS THE PERSON WHO WAS SIGNING THE APPLICATION WAS AT THAT SAME, UM, WORK SESSION MM-HMM.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE INFORMATION HASN'T BEEN THERE.
BUT I DO THINK A LOT OF THIS IS JUST REALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO THEN APPLY AND WAIT FOR TIME.
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ONTO P AND Z.WE HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WE HAVE NEVER REALLY HELD THEM TO LIKE, YOU NEED TO BE HERE WHEN YOU APPLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE SO THAT WE CAN GET YOU ON THIS AGENDA.
AND WE TRY TO TURN THEM AROUND FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UM, THIS DOES ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT MORE LENIENCY THERE.
BUT IT IS GOING TO JUST BE PAPERWORK THAT THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE, OR AT LEAST THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD HAVE.
I'M, I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT, UH, FROM THE CITY SIDE OF IT.
CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RESTROOM, HAND WASHING AND ABOUT THE ILLEGAL DUMPING OF GREASE AND WASTEWATER, GRAY WATER, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, UM, TRUCKS OR, OR MARKET.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET.
SO IF THE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS HAVE OPINIONS, OPTIONS, BEST PRACTICES, PRACTICES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO USE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE.
I DID HEAR SOME OF THOSE WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THEM, BUT THAT WAS NOT OFFICIAL CAPACITY, IF YOU WILL.
WHAT WOULD IT DO IF WE, IF WE DECIDED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH? SO THOSE VENDORS, RICK, RICK FEELS LIKE NOBODY'S BEEN NOTIFIED OR, OR THEY DON'T KNOW.
AND, AND I'M SURE THE STAFF, WHAT THEY SUPPOSED TO DO, HOW, HOW MANY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF TABLING IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH? I DON'T, IT'S JUST A QUESTION
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING PRESSING ANY APPLICANTS OR ANYTHING THAT ONLY THE REQUEST THAT COUNSEL HAD ASKED STAFF, HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU GET THE FOOD TRUCK HOURS REMOVED? AND THEN HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU MAKE THIS BE A STAFF ITEM? OKAY.
BUT WHY, WHY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT THE HOURS REMOVED ON THE FOOD TRUCKS.
I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, MY RECOLLECTION, THERE'S A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME TO COUNCIL THAT SAID THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THAT FOOD TRUCKS HAVE TO CLOSE BEFORE OTHER RESTAURANTS.
LIKE THE BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS CAN STAY OPEN LATER.
BUT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS HERE, WE HAVE SOME THAT STAY OPEN TO MIDNIGHT, ONE O'CLOCK, TWO O'CLOCK.
ARE WE GONNA ALLOW THE FOOD TRUCKS DOWN ON HARLEY STREET TO STAY OPEN UNTIL ONE AT TWO O'CLOCK? WE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE.
SO BEFORE THEY WERE ALLOWED, I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO THEY WERE ALLOWED TO STAY OPEN BEFORE, BUT THEY HAD TO SUBMIT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE HAD TO APPROVE, RIGHT.
NO, THEY HAD TIMES THEY HAD SET.
SO THEY AGREED TO THESE TIMES WHEN THEY CAME IN BECAUSE, AND THEY HAD TO WHAT WAS ADOPTED, YOU COULD SEE AND THEY HAD TO SUBMIT AN SUP THAT WE HAD TO APPROVE IF THEY WANTED TO STAY OPEN LATER.
NO, IT WAS, THEY WERE ALWAYS ONLY, ONLY, ONLY FOR ESPECIALLY SEVEN TO 8:00 PM BY ORDINANCE.
THERE WERE MULTIPLE ONES THAT CAME IN THAT WE EXTENDED HOURS THEY ASKED, BUT WE NEVER EXTENDED IT NEVER DIDN'T.
BECAUSE WE SAID IT WASN'T, DIDN'T OH, NOW AT THE WORKSHOP, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A VERBAL AGREEMENT NOT OFFICIAL.
THAT AND, AND THAT THOSE IN ATTENDANCE FROM, FROM BOTH FOR THE, THE FOOD TRUCKS OVER THERE WAS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE AT 11:00 AM SOMEBODY SAID THAT BEEN TABLED 11:00 PM PM AS THE CLOSING TIME.
BUT NOBODY GAVE AN OPENING TIME.
BUT THEN IN LOOKING IN THE CODE AND THE OVERALL DISCUSSION WAS JUST, OKAY, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS A BUSINESS HOUR FOR AN EATING ESTABLISHMENT BEFORE THAT WE COULD FIND, THEN WE'LL START IF OUT, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO OPEN A, A BREAKFAST TACO TRUCK OPEN FROM FIVE 5:00 AM TO NINE AND IT ALREADY STATES IN HERE, IT CAN'T BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THE ORDINANCE DID SAY 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM OUR OLD ORDINANCE, IT DOES OLD ORDINANCES.
IT'S, IT WILL STILL, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, SEVEN TO 8:00 PM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM WE'LL STILL BE IN FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DRIVE AROUND TOWN.
SO WE WON'T HAVE ICE CREAM TRUCKS AT 5:00 AM YES.
UM, OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE LIKE THAT.
SO YOU ALSO HAVE THAT OPTION IS THAT THIS ALSO THEN GIVES THE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS THE ABILITY IF THEY ARE A BREAKFAST.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT WAS JUST LIKE, WELL, I MEAN YES WE COULD DO THE SEVEN TO 11, BUT NOBODY ELSE THAT'S A BRICK AND MORTAR HAS THAT SAME THING.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE OVERALL MM-HMM.
UM, DISCUSSION AT THE WORKSHOP THAT I WAS GETTING AND 11:00 PM WAS THROWN OUT, BUT NOBODY ELSE IS REQUIRED TO.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL IF THE BUSINESS HOURS LET, WHY DON'T WE LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT? EXACTLY.
KNOWING THAT WE'RE ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE UDC REWRITE.
SO IF IT ENDS UP BEING MORE OF A CONCERN AND WE OPEN
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THIS UP AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, MAYBE THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH.WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THIS MM-HMM.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU WHAT YOU ASKED, WHICH WAS LET STAFF APPROVE THESE, MAKE THIS MORE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
AND THEN HERE ARE YOUR BUSINESS HOURS.
YOU CAN BE TREATED AS IF YOU ARE THE SAME BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE, IT'S ALL FOOD THEN THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT IT.
THE THING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO JUST ADD IN HERE IS YOU'LL SEE IS THAT TRULY IT'S IF YOU'RE STATIONARY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEIR PROPOSED BUSINESS HOURS, PREPARING AND SERVING FOOD FROM THE MOBILE FOOD UNIT, NOT SERVING FROM OR WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND LOCATED ON A PRIVATE LOT, THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A NOTARIZED AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE VENDOR.
THIS IS REALLY JUST SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO GET PROPERTY OWNER APPROVAL.
THIS IS SO IF ANYBODY SHOWS UP, LET'S JUST USE HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S THAT WE KNOW THAT THOSE OWNERS HAVE ALSO SAID YES.
THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP THE REQUIRED PARKING THAT WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE.
THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT AN AREA WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE MAYBE A SITE TRIANGLE PROBLEM.
WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T A GOOD AREA FOR THIS.
WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS STILL COMPLIES.
AND, AND ON ON THAT, UH, NOTARIZED UH, AGREEMENT.
WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THAT? THANK YOU.
SORRY, I COULDN'T SEE IT EITHER.
SO I'M MAKING THIS A LOT BIGGER YOU GUYS.
UH, THIS IS SO SCALED SITE PLAN.
LEMME MAKE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE THE, A NOTARIZED STATEMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW AS PART OF OUR PACKET IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT NOTARIZED AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WHO, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT NOTARIZED AGREEMENT BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNER, THE VENDOR STATING THAT THE VENDOR EMPLOYEES CUSTOMERS HAVE PERMISSION TO OCCUPY THE AREA AND HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC RESTROOMS DURING HOURS OF OPERATION.
IF IT IS, IF THEY'RE PARKING IN A BUSINESS PARKING LOT MM-HMM.
I'M ALLOWED, IT'S VERY SIMILAR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ANY POSSIBILITIES.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO FULL CORPORATE FOR, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT CORPORATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO'S KNOWLEDGEABLE AT THE LOCATION WHO CAN SAY, YES, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU PERMISSION FOR THIS.
UM, AND A LOT OF THESE, THEY ACTUALLY COME TO US FIRST TO SAY, HEY, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? AND SO THIS IS MORE OF JUST WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THEM FOR.
'CAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST ONE, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SEEING WHEN THESE COME TO YOU IS THIS IS MY BUSINESS HOURS, THIS IS WHERE I'M GONNA BE LOCATED.
THAT'S PART OF THE DECISION FACTOR.
I WOULD THEN, VERBIAGE WISE, MAYBE AFTER IT SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER, JUST CLARIFY EITHER DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE OR MANAGER OR SOMETHING.
BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IF THEY'RE SITTING AT HOME DEPOT, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO CORPORATE TO HAVE TO HAVE THE SIGN IT RIGHT.
THE COMPANY OWNER TO SIGN OFF ON THAT.
SO MAYBE MANAGER OR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT LINE WOULD BE GOOD AUTHORIZED PERSON.
I COULD DO PROPERTY OWNER OR DESIGNEE.
BUT, BUT IN A LOT OF CASES, LIKE SOME OF THE, THE ONES ON EAST STREET THAT'S LEASED THE, THE, THE BUILDING LIKE HALL OF FAME, THAT'S, THAT PROPERTY'S NOT OWNED BY THE HALL OF FAME OWNERS.
SO WHEN, SO IF YOU SAY PROPERTY OWNER, ARE YOU MEANING THE PROPERTY OF THE STRUCTURE OR, OR THE PROPERTY OF THE, OR AUTHORIZED DESIGNATED.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THOSE CASES IS THAT EVEN FOR SOMEONE WHO'S, LET'S SAY JUST APPLYING FOR A GENERAL PERMIT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AT LEAST AWARE OR HAS GIVEN AUTHORITY TO SOMEONE MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR.
UM, CERTAINLY LET'S, UH, REMIND OF THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE IN ANY MOTION THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS.
ON THE SECOND ONE, IT'S THAT WE DO NEED A SCALED SITE PLAN SHOWING WHERE THE FOOD TRUCK IS GOING IN RELATION TO THE LOT BOUNDARY DISTANCE FROM OTHER FOOD TRUCKS IF APPLICABLE.
SO SEATING, LANDSCAPING, IMPROVED PARKING SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN RELATION TO OTHER THINGS.
THERE IS CERTAINLY WITH A LOT OF THESE GENERATORS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SETBACKS AND MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN FOOD TRUCKS.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S ONE THAT HAS MULTIPLE FOOD TRUCKS, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THE DISTANCE THAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FEET BETWEEN.
AND I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU WHAT IS IT AND, AND WHERE IS IT STATED? OR IS IT STATED ANYWHERE THAT WOULD BE THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN GENERATORS IS FIRE CODE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST END UP HAVING.
EITHER STAFF CAN CHECK OFF OR WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE ESD CHECKOFF.
'CAUSE TECHNICALLY THEY'RE A FIRE REVIEWER.
AND THERE'S STIPULATIONS THAT FIRE GETS MM-HMM.
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SOME OF THESE ARE USING, I HAVE ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THERE WERE DIESEL WAS RUNNING POWER.THERE WAS THIS, WE HAD THAT SOME COMMEMORATIVE THINGS OVER BEHIND HENRIETTA.
AND THE CITY WAS GIVING OUT NOTIFICATION.
WE HAD FREE ICE CREAM FOR THE KIDS.
AND THE TRUCK WAS PARKED SOUTHEAST TOWARDS 60 60.
AND, AND THE END OF, UH, I REMEMBER THAT.
AND, AND THE WIND WAS FROM THE SOUTHEAST.
AND ALL THESE KIDS ARE HUDDLED THERE WITH DIESEL FUMES COMING OUT.
I MEAN, I'M FROM, JUST FROM MY, JUST MY SENSITIVITY.
AND I KNOW IN, IN 10 POINT, THIS IS ON PAGE 1 49, I THINK 1 49, UH, IN THIS, IN OUR PACKET, IT SAYS, USUALLY CANNOT EMIT GASES AS INJURIES ARE DESTRUCTIVE, HARMFUL TO PERSONS OR PROPERTY OR, OR EXPLOSIVE.
NOW I KNOW GENERATORS TYPICALLY RUN ON THEIR LP OR YOU KNOW, OR, OR GASOLINE.
BUT THE FUMES AND NOXIOUS POSSIBILITIES THERE ARE MUCH LIMITED AND A MUCH MORE CONFINED AREA.
BUT WITH, WITH DIESEL, IT'S, IT'S HORRIFIC.
AND THAT COVER, THAT, THAT CANOPY THAT WE HAD THERE, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST ONE THIRD OF IT.
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE NOT LETTING WIND GO THROUGH UHHUH
UH, AND THERE'S TONS OF, AND IT'S WHAT SHOULDER? SHOULDER PEOPLE.
SO ALL THIS IS, IS LINGERING IN AT LEAST ONE THIRD OF THAT CANOPY AREA, WHICH IS PROBABLY COVERS 50, 60 PEOPLE THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO START LOOKING AT, WITH THE SITE PLAN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WHAT ELSE IS ON THERE? AND WHAT WOULD BE AROUND YOU THAT COULD COMPLICATE SOMETHING OR MIGHT END UP CREATING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A NUISANCE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WILL START TO ALLEVIATE IT.
AND THEN ALSO ALLOW THE FOOD TRUCK LOTS TO KNOW DO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SOLVE THAT HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING, COULD WE MAKE NOTE OF THAT? YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT'S AND WOULD BE WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT, UM, IN, IN THE THIRD ITEM, MOBILE FOOD GENERATIONAL SHOW, PROOF OF CONTRACT FOR WASTEWATER AND FOR TCEQ, DOES THAT ALSO APPLY TO FUMES? SO FOR THIS ONE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TCQ HAS TOO MUCH ON THAT, BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
MOSTLY THE GENERATORS ARE MORE AWARE THE FUEL SOURCE COMING FROM.
I I DO KNOW THAT ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDED IN HERE, BUT I THINK WE WILL END UP MOVING TOWARDS IS IF YOU LOOK OUT TOWARDS THE BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER, THERE WERE SPOTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY PROVIDED THAT HAVE THE ELECTRICAL POLES SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE GENERATORS.
THAT'S WHY USUALLY THE SPECIAL EVENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT QUIETER BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THE TRUCKS ARE HAVING TO USE GENERATORS.
SOME OF THEM I BELIEVE STILL DO 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT MORE FOOD TRUCKS THAN WE HAVE, UM, THE ELECTRIC POLES OUT THERE.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT ADDING EVENTUALLY BECAUSE THAT COULD BE SOMETHING JUST AS AMENITY ON A SITE IS JUST, HEY, COULD WE GET AWAY FROM THE GENERATOR USE IF YOU WANNA BE A FULL FOOD TRUCK LOT THAT WE WANNA SEE YOU BRING IN YOUR WATER, YOUR WASTEWATER CONNECTIONS, YOUR ELECTRIC CONNECTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE, UH, FUMES.
THE ILLICIT DISCHARGE ORDINANCE REALLY IS JUST FOR, UH, WATER, WATER WASTE, WASTE, WATER GREASE, LIQUID, LIQUID, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M ALSO THINKING LIKE BURNING.
YOU KNOW, OH WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BURN BARREL OF SOME SORT.
THAT'S NOT, THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE NOXIOUS FUMES AND THE REST.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK DURING THE REVIEW OF WHERE'S THE FOOD TRUCK GOING? THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD REALLY COME MORE INTO PLAY TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, WHEN THE, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS ON HERE WAS TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UM, IT'S IN THIS TOP ONE RIGHT HERE.
THE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR SHALL HAVE PROOF OF CURRENT INSPECTIONS FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY HEALTH, UH, DISTRICT.
ED DISTRICT HEAD DISTRICT
SO ELSE NOW YOU NEED A NAIL IN THERE ON THAT'S A CRUNCHY, THAT'S A CRUNCHY KIND OF COFFEE.
SO THERE WILL BE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE FIRE THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING A COPY OF THAT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, GREAT, THEN YOU'RE ALREADY APPROVED.
WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THAT ASPECT.
AND THAT'S THINGS THAT WE DON'T GET RIGHT NOW.
UM, STAFF DID LOOK AT SEVERAL OTHER CITIES.
THIS IS VERY COMMON FOR OTHER CITIES TO BE REQUESTING THE SITE PLANS, YOU KNOW, SHOW US, YOU KNOW, COPIES OF YOUR INSPECTION REPORTS.
AND I THINK EVEN FROM THE WORKSHOP.
BUT JUST THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT I'VE HEARD AS FROM THE COMMISSION IS, THANK YOU.
YOU DIDN'T LIKE MY BLUE PIN MAIL.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TOO IS YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET MORE INFORMATION? DO WE KNOW ENOUGH? ARE WE SURE THAT THEY'RE LICENSED AND, AND THEY'RE GOOD TO GO BEFORE WE'RE GIVING THOSE APPROVALS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR.
UM, AND THE VERY LAST ONE IS JUST REALLY TO GO OVER, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ILLICIT DISCHARGE.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST POUR YOUR WATER WASTEWATER ANYWHERE.
YOU CAN'T POUR GREASE ANYWHERE.
WE NEED TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN FOR WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THIS.
EITHER YOU CAN SHOW US THAT YOU HAVE THE COMMISSARY SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT'S VERY
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COMMON THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO.OR IF THEY'RE ON SITE, THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME ON SITE AND REMOVE THOSE THINGS.
OR THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TRUE FOOD TRUCK LOTS TO ACTUALLY INSTALL THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT YOU WOULD JUST BE ABLE, THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO HOOK UP INTO THE SYSTEM AND BE ABLE TO BE ON CITY WATER AND WASTEWATER OF COURSE WITH THEIR OWN APPROVED GREASE TRAP.
TYPICALLY THEY'RE UNDER THE SINK 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN THAT CONTAINED UNIT.
UM, BUT THEN WE KNOW THAT THE ORDINANCES ARE BEING FILED.
AND THEN KEEP IN MIND IT ALSO KEEPS THEM, IF THEY, IF IT'S THE SAME AS ANY OTHER FOOD ESTABLISHMENT, OTHER FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE GREASE TRAPS, EVEN LIKE THE COOKIE PLACE BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, IT'S PART OF THE IBC.
SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THAT FAIR ON BOTH SIDES.
AND THEN THE OTHER, WE'RE NOT CHECKING, UM, WE CERTAINLY, SORRY, DO IT ALL THE TIME.
UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE OF ORDINANCE IS BEING FOLLOWED AS FAR AS THE ELICIT, UM, ANY ILLICIT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
LIKE THIS IS WHY WE NEED THIS.
UM, AND WE ADDED IN THE TCQ ONLY BECAUSE IT, UM, THERE ARE WASTEWATER REMOVAL SERVICES THAT ARE, UM, LICENSED AND APPROVED BY THE, UM, TEXAS COMMISSION MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO SEE, DO YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS? AND TYPICALLY THEY DO.
WE JUST WANNA SEE A COPY OF THAT PAPERWORK JUST TO SAY, HEY, WE WANNA ALSO MAKE SURE WITH THIS, UM, THAT YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
ASHLEY, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
ARE FOOD TRUCKS IN HURO ALLOWED TO SERVE ALCOHOL IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE? SO I, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE AS INVOLVED IN THAT AS TABC WOULD ALCOHOL.
SO I KNOW FOR THE STATE AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED THERE WOULD BE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I THINK IF THEY WERE TO ASK, THERE COULD BE THE PROVISION, ESPECIALLY NOW AFTER COVID THAT YOU CAN, UM, STILL SELL THE COVERED CLASSES.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT THOUGH.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME COOL FOOD TRUCKS ON OUR SPECIAL EVENTS THAT COME IN FOR SPECIAL EVENTS BECAUSE IT'S AN ENCLOSED AREA AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN SELL, I BELIEVE THERE IS THE ABILITY NOW THAT OTHER FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT I WOULD NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH TABC OR UM, AND OR, UM, WILLIAMSON COUNTY HEALTH TO SEE WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE.
'CAUSE WE REALLY, I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE ALCOHOL FIELD.
SO IF A FOOD TRUCK VENDOR CAME AND WANTED TO GET, WANTED TO PUT THEIR FOOD TRUCK ON A COMMERCIAL LAND LIKE PLOT, RIGHT.
ARE WE CHECKING TO SEE ONE IF THEY ARE PLANNING ON SELLING ALCOHOL AND THEIR VICINITY TO A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH OR OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENT BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT HAVING ALCOHOL BEING SERVED SO CLOSE? YES.
SO PART OF THAT IS WHEN, WELL HISTORICALLY WHEN WE'VE BEEN COMING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE ARE ASKING FOR JUST A COPY OF THE MENU.
WHAT DOES THE FOOD TRUCK LOOK LIKE? THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SO YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT GOING FORWARD ON THE CITY SIDE.
ACCOUNTING FOR THAT WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO COME HERE.
SO THEIR REVIEW WOULD REALLY BE LIKE, HEY, WE NOTICED THAT YOUR MENU HAS THIS, THAT COULD ALSO THEN BE, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE YOUR TABC LICENSING.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY.
THAT GOES BACK INTO THAT SITE PLAN OF, OKAY, IF YOU WANT TO SHOW ME THAT THIS IS APPROVED BY THE STATE BECAUSE TABC REALLY IS THE ONE WHO'S GONNA OVERSEE, UM, THE ALCOHOL RULES AND I'M SAYING THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE YOUR FINAL DESTINATION IS THOUGH.
SO THAT'S SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IS, WELL IF, IF A VENDOR SAID I'M OPENING UP NON-ALCOHOL FOOD TRUCK.
BUT THEN, AND THEY COME IN AND GET THE PERMIT AND THEY, THEY THEY ESTABLISH THEMSELVES.
WHAT IF THEY THEN GET A LICENSE FROM TABC? DO THEY NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE US FOR SPECIAL PERMITTING AS A FOOD TRUCK IN AN AREA? TYPICALLY, NO.
BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE.
JUST AS ANY RESTAURANT OR, UM, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT'S GONNA SELL ALCOHOL, THEY STILL HAVE TO CHECK WHAT ARE THOSE CITY'S INDIVIDUAL RULES? WHAT ARE YOUR DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS? THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO BE SO FAR AWAY FROM A CHURCH SCHOOL.
OTHER THINGS, THERE'S SOME THAT SAY IN OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WE DON'T HAVE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO INSIDE YOUR CODE SIMILAR TO LIKE THE OPEN CONTAINER RULE THAT IF YOU NEVER SAID IT WASN'T ALLOWED, IT'S TECHNICALLY ALLOWED.
SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT INSIDE THE RULES THAT TABC KNOWS AND THEN THEY JUST SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO GO ASK THE THIS INDI THIS CITY, WHAT ARE THEIR RULES AND ARE YOU ALLOWED TO BE THERE? UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE SALE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CLOSE 'EM DOWN FOR.
WE WOULD JUST SAY, HEY, WE NOTICED THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS.
WE WOULD NEED TO SEE YOUR TABC LICENSING.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT ARE SELLING MM-HMM.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE THE SAME THING.
WE WOULD TREAT 'EM JUST AS ANY OTHER RESTAURANT.
SO, UM, GOING BACK TO THE HOURS FOR A MOMENT, I, I
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MENTIONED LIKE, YOU KNOW, A TO, UH, BREAKFAST, TACO TRUCK WANTS TO OPEN FROM FIVE 5:00 AM TO 9:00 AM YES.IF THEIR BUSINESS IS NOT OPEN AT THAT TIME, THE, UH, I'M SORRY IF THEY'RE, UH, IF THEY'RE, UH, THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH IS NOT OPEN AT THAT TIME, THEN DO THEY NEED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC RESTROOM? THAT WOULD BE WHERE THAT COMES IN IS THEN HOW ARE YOU PROVIDING FOR THE PUBLIC RESTROOM.
SO WOULD THAT BE, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY AN SUP PROCESS, BUT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WHERE IT COMES BEFORE STAFF OR BEFORE P AND Z AND WE, WE LOOK AT THE CHECKLIST, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION? WHAT ARE YOUR SUPPORTING BUSINESS HOURS OF OPERATION? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT NOW AT A STAFF LEVEL.
UM, AND THEN IF TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THOSE GOING AROUND IS THAT IF THEY ARE SOMEWHERE THEIR HOURS ARE TYPICALLY THE SAME AS THE BUSINESS ACROSS FROM THEM.
UM, AND THEN IF NOT, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS OF LIKE, HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING SAYING THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THESE RESTROOMS. NOW WE NEED TO KNOW MORE.
TYPICALLY THE ONLY TIME WE'RE REALLY SEEING RESTROOMS GET INVOLVED IN MY EXPERIENCE HERE WITH OUR FOOD TRUCKS IS TRULY WHEN IT GOES ON A FOOD TRUCK LOT.
AND SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLES AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
DO YOU HAVE THE RESTROOM? DO YOU HAVE A HAND WASHING STATION? LET ME JUST SEE THE CONTRACT AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
IT'S MORE OF JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THIS COVERAGE SO THAT WE HAVE UM, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PAPERWORK AS WELL.
BUT I'M, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF WE DID HAVE A SECOND FOOD TRUCK PLACE OPEN UP OVER IN LOWE'S ACADEMY AREA.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY AUTHORIZED A BUNCH OF FOOD TRUCKS OVER THERE.
GROOVY, AWESOME
BUT IF YOU CAN TELL HOW OLD HE IS, IF IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY'RE LIMITED BY THOSE BUSINESSES, OURS, AND IF THEY WANNA OPERATE OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN HOW, HOW WOULD THEY COME TO P AND Z OR STAFF WITH, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PORTA JOHN'S AND, UH, HAND WASHING STATION BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA BE OPEN AT 5:00 AM AND EVO ISN'T.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
SO HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS WORK THEN? UM, SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE SEE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, IF YOU HAVE BUSINESS HOURS OF OPERATION THAT DON'T PROVIDE, THEN FOR THAT COVERAGE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, YOU THEN HAVE TO SHOW WHERE THOSE, UM, OTHER RESTROOMS OR HAND WASHING STATIONS WOULD BE.
OR YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU'VE TEAMED UP WITH ANOTHER GROUP, LET'S SAY OVER THERE LIKE, OH, BUT STARBUCKS SAID THAT WE COULD, SO WE'LL HAVE 'EM RIGHT THERE.
OR IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEN IT INVOLVES THAT PROPERTY OWNER OR THEIR DESIGNEE AGAIN, TO SAY, OKAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THOSE EMPLOYEES AND MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A PART OF THAT REVIEW OF, OKAY, HEY, I NOTICED THAT YOU WANNA BE OPEN AT 5:00 AM BUT THEY DON'T OPEN UNTIL 8:00 AM HOW ARE YOU PROPOSING TO GET THIS THREE HOURS? RIGHT.
AND IF THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, BUT YOU DO NEED A RESTROOM.
OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEN STAFF SAYS, HEY, WE JUST CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, THEY COULD STILL APPEAL AND COME TO P AND Z FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WOULD THAT BE AN SUP AT THAT POINT, OR WOULD IT BE JUST A, ALMOST LIKE A VARIANCE? IT WOULD STILL KIND OF BE AT THAT MINOR MODIFICATION LEVEL.
UM, AND THEN KEEP IN MIND TOO, THE ONE THING IN HERE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, AN APPROVAL LEVEL THAT EVER SAID, HEY, NOW YOU'RE NO LONGER APPROVED, OR, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PAPERWORK'S GOOD.
AND SO THIS ALSO DOES ADD IN THAT THESE APPROVALS ARE GOOD FOR A YEAR.
THAT MEANS THAT IF THEY'RE THERE FOR A YEAR, IT GIVES THE PROPERTY OWNER SOME, YOU KNOW, ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT THIS ONE.
LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS AGAIN.
UM, IT ALSO GIVES THE ABILITY FOR US TO CONTINUALLY HAVE, YES, THEY'RE GOOD WITH, UM, THE HEATH OR HEALTH DISTRICT, AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT,
SO THAT'S NOT JUST, IT'S COMING IN.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE ALSO DEALING WITH.
THE FIRE COMES THROUGH ONCE A YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN THEN CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT DOES TREAT THEM VERY SIMILAR TO HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS BEING TREATED SO THAT WE HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL.
AND HOPEFULLY WE GET TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF COMFORTABILITY WITH THESE USES.
I, I DROVE, DROVE BY THE, THE FOOD LOT, UM, TODAY ACTUALLY.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER TRUCKS ON THERE.
I'M SURE IT COVERS IT IN HERE, BUT WHAT IS THE SPACING FROM TRUCK TO TRUCK? A GOOD QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER WORDS ASKED ON THE SIDE, I'M LIKE, DO YOU KNOW IT SHOULD BE AROUND 10
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FEET? HMM.UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHECK ON BECAUSE I ALSO, IT'S FROM A FIRE CODE, YOU KNOW, WHEN FIRES JUMPING FROM IT IS TRUCK CODE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WENT BY EARLIER TODAY ON ONE OF THEM.
AND I NOTICED THAT THEY OF, THEY'RE CLOSE, MOVED FROM WHERE THEY WERE.
AND NOW IT'S ALMOST MORE OF A HALF MOON.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THINK IT WAS AROUND 3:00 PM TODAY.
I HAD TO GET GAS WHEN I WENT BY.
I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO IT WAS JUST A LITTLE TICK MARK OF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT HOW IT'S LAID OUT IS HOW IT WAS PRESENTED AND HOW IT WAS APPROVED.
UM, BUT THAT'S HOW WE, HONESTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR ALL ENTITIES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ASSIST WITH.
TYPICALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN.
UM, WE LIKE TO GAIN COMPLIANCE, NOT JUST SITE.
SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE JUST REACH OUT WHEN WE KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER, HEY, WE NOTICED THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AND THIS IS HOW YOU SUBMITTED, AND I WOULDN'T WANT THIS TO BE ON THEIR REGULAR ROUTE.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST, BUT IT, BUT SOMETHING TO CHECK, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
STAFF DRIVE, I MEAN, I DRIVE EVERY SINGLE MORNING.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS WHEN IT WAS APPROVED.
LET'S SAY LANDSCAPING OR THEIR SIGNAGE DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
AND SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE I'LL JUST SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I'LL BE LIKE, HEY, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK.
CAN YOU JUST SEND OUT A QUICK REMINDER THAT THAT SIGN NEEDS TO BE REPAINTED OR THERE'S A POTHOLE IN THIS? UM, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, AND THEN ALSO THEY'RE DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES THAN JUST HOW IT MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AND WE HAVE SO MANY PUDS THAT WE HAVE SO MANY LITTLE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I DON'T EXPECT CODE TO KNOW ALL OF THOSE.
DO I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT
AND I CAN THEN GO BACK, GET THE PUDS, SEND THAT OVER TO CODE AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU MAKE CONTACT IF IT'S A LARGER OR IF WE KNOW THEM, JUST, HEY, DID YOU KNOW? AND USUALLY I WILL CC CODE OR AT LEAST FORWARD IT TO 'EM AND SAY, HEY, IF I DON'T SEE IMPROVEMENT ON THIS, AND IT'S JUST ON MY OWN TICKLER ON MY MORNING END, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH 1 37, IT'S CHANGED MY MORNING COMMUTE A LITTLE BIT.
SO COMING IN ON 6 85 AND THEN DOING SOME OF THOSE OTHER STREETS, I NOTICED THAT SAME FOOD TRUCK.
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S ONE THAT WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP WITH TOMORROW MORNING.
I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A TRAIN ACTUALLY
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A TRAIN.
IT LOOKS, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THAT ACTUALLY WORKS.
BUT I NEED TO DOUBLE JUST MAKE SURE WITH FIRE AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THEIR SPACING
AND THAT THEY ALSO KNOW THOSE RULES.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SO STRINGENT THEY COULD NEVER CHANGE IT.
BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THEY'RE CHANGING IT TO STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF ALL THE ADOPTED CODES, BECAUSE THAT'S STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
DO CAN WE PUT SURVEY MARKS, NOT UNOFFICIAL SURVEY MARKS, AND THIS IS YOUR BLOCK.
THEY, THIS IS YOUR SPOT ON SITE.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE IF WE HAVE KIND OF THAT, UM, SCALED SITE PLAN, REALLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GETTING IS VERY RUDIMENTARY.
UM, I THINK IF WE START GOING MORE TO THE SCALE, THEN WE GO, HEY, BUT ON, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR SCALED PLANS, IT SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE 15 FEET.
WELL, IF IT'S JUST SAY IT'S A 20 BY BY 15 TRUCK, GIVE THEM FIVE FEET OF BUFFER THAT THEY CAN MOVE WITHIN THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM TO A COUPLE INCHES.
I'D, I'D BE A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE SURVEY MARKS BECAUSE THEN IF YOU'VE GOT A 12 FOOT TRAILER VERSUS A 25 FOOT TRUCK, NOW ONE IS OVER THE SURVEY LINES.
AND WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE GREAT.
AND THEN THIS TRUCK IN THE MIDDLE GOES OUT FOR SERVICE.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE OTHER THAN, WELL THAT, THAT'S BY THE PROPERTY OWNER THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL LEASING THAT LAND.
WELL, IT'S BY THE, BY THE CITY DECIDES WHAT THE SPACING, THEY CAN'T BE LESS THAN 10 FEET.
SO IF THEY MOVE IT AND SOMEBODY'S NOT AWARE OF THAT, IT'S EITHER THE, IT'S EITHER THE MECHANIC OR AWARE OF IT.
IF, IF I'M, I'M SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE 10 FOOT.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I NOTICED TODAY.
AND IT'S JUST, HEY, THEY'RE NOT 10 FOOT NOW.
UM, TALK TO THE, TALK TO THE OTHER REVIEWERS TOMORROW MORNING AND JUST SAY, HEY, CAN YOU GUYS JUST DOUBLE CHECK AND CONFIRM BEFORE I SEND THIS EMAIL? AND IT'S TYPICALLY JUST AN EMAIL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HEY, DROVE BY, NOTICE THIS.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS AT THIS LEVEL BECAUSE OF THIS CODE.
AND WE, UM, WE'LL CC RONNIE JUST SO THAT IT'S, OR RONNIE OR TRACY, OR SORRY, I SHOULD JUST SAY CODE ENFORCEMENT, NOT INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AND WE'LL CC ANYBODY ON CODE ENFORCEMENT SO THAT THEY KNOW.
HEY, STAFF ALSO SAW THIS JUST BECAUSE THE TWO SIDES WORK REALLY WELL TOGETHER ON THAT.
BECAUSE I'M LIKE, HEY, I SAW THIS AND HERE'S WHAT I'M SEEING.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING BACK AND FORTH, UM, HONESTLY, PROBABLY ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS JUST TO SAY, DID YOU SEE IT? I SAW THIS.
I'M JUST GONNA SEND OUT THAT EMAIL.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA JUST TICK IT.
AND THAT EDUCATIONAL LEVEL, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE YEAH.
UM, LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE PARKING FOR IS, IS THERE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS? BECAUSE THERE IS A PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE TYPICAL BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT HERE.
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IS THAT GOING TO LEAD TO ENCROACHMENT ISSUES WHERE LET'S SAY DOWNTOWN FARLEY STREET, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SIX FOOD TRUCK ON A SINGLE LOT.WELL NOW THEY'RE EATING INTO OTHER BUSINESSES, QUOTE UNQUOTE SPACES.
FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THAT ONE.
SO ON LIKE, LET'S SAY JUST DOWNTOWN MM-HMM.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW, ESPECIALLY I WOULD SAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOWNTOWN, THAT'S USUALLY MORE STANDARD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY OF THAT SPECIAL DISTRICT DASH A MM-HMM.
UM, BUT WHERE WE DO HAVE SDA THAT BE BEHAVES CURRENTLY MORE LIKE A NORMAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO LET'S THINK TIGER ROCK, UM, THE WEST PHIL, THE SMALLER LITTLE AREA THAT BEHAVES AS IF IT IS STANDARD COMMERCIAL AND NOT IN THE OLD TOWN ZONE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AND SAY, ARE YOU TAKING UP REQUIRED PARKING? 'CAUSE HERE'S HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUSINESSES YOU HAVE, AND HERE'S WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER.
SO WHAT WE LOOK FOR ON ANY OF THOSE SITE PLANS COMING IN, UM, EVEN NOW, IS YOU CAN'T PARK ON AN UNIMPROVED SURFACE.
WE SAY, HEY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PULL UP TO, BUT YOU CAN'T PULL ONTO THE ENTIRE LOT AND PARK WHERE IT'S NOT IMPROVED.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOME OF THOSE ORDINANCES WHEN WE SEE IT, WE CALL IT OUT.
HEY, PLEASE REMIND YOUR PATRONS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, I THINK THE FARLEY STREET HAS BEEN, UM, THAT OWNER HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT AND I THINK IT PASSED DOWN FROM THE PRIOR OWNER THAT THEY HAVE THE BARRELS OUT THERE TO REMIND PEOPLE YOU CAN'T PARK INTO THAT SIDEWALK.
LIKE THEY'RE USING KIND OF THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES BECAUSE THEY ARE, THE DEPTH IS THERE THAT THEY CAN, UM, PARK SOME OVER THERE, UM, IN THAT SPACE, BUT NOT TO PULL SO FAR FORWARD THAT YOU'RE THEN BLOCKING A SIDEWALK.
AND SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THAT JUST KINDA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, HEY, WHAT COULD YOU DO TO HELP PROTECT THAT SIDEWALK? AND THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH OF, OKAY, BUT THAT ACTUALLY WORKS.
AND SO I THINK LEAVING SOME OF THAT OPEN IS GOOD.
BUT CERTAINLY DOWNTOWN AREA ON THIS SIDE WHERE WE KNOW WE HAVE TWO FOOD TRUCK LOTS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
CERTAINLY ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, IT GETS A LITTLE BUSY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ON-STREET PARKING, UM, TYPICALLY JUST ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING THAT TYPICALLY, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING A LOT OF THE BRICK AND MORTAR, HOPEFULLY WORRIED THAT THE FOOD TRUCK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY IS THE ONE TAKING UP THE PARKING.
IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHO'S PARKING WHERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING UP REQUIRED PARKING AND THAT IT DOESN'T END UP CAUSING, OKAY, IF YOU'RE PUT A FOOD TRUCK HERE AND LET'S SAY IT TAKES UP FOUR SPACES WHILE NOW YOU HAVE FOUR LESS OF YOUR REQUIRED SPACES, WE COULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
'CAUSE WE, WE CAN'T CREATE A NON-CONFORMING ISSUE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IN ALL OF IT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO EMPLOYEE, JUST AN AVERAGE OF TWO EMPLOYEES PER FOOD TRUCK, YOU'VE GOT SIX FOOD TRUCKS, THAT'S A DOZEN EMPLOYEE VEHICLES NOT COUNTING THE REAL ESTATE THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS THEMSELVES ARE TAKING OUT.
I'M, I'M WONDERING IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO PUT IN REGARDING PARKING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR, HEY, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST SLAP FOOD TRUCKS INTO THE STARBUCKS PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD READ, I MEAN WHEN WE SENT, WELL I SENT THIS AROUND TO, UM, THE REVIEWERS.
THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR DISTANCE FROM YOUR REQUIRED PARKING OR IMPROVED PARKING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE GO THROUGH NORMALLY JUST ON THE SITE PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS DONE, BECAUSE FOOD TRUCKS REALLY STARTED JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE FOOD TRUCKS THAT WANTED TO LOCATE AT THE GIN BUILDING.
UM, 20 15, 20 14, 20 15 TIMEFRAME.
THEY WERE THERE
AND THEY WERE LIKE, BUT YOU OPEN THIS UP TO WHERE YOU COULD DO THESE ANYWHERE.
AND THEN THERE WAS NO OVERSIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED NOTICING LIKE, I DON'T MIND IT, BUT THEN WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE COMING IN OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT WERE JUST IN AN OPEN GRAVEL LOT THAT ENDED UP, OR JUST LIKE A GRASSY AREA.
AND THEN IT ENDED UP BEING THAT IT WAS TECHNICALLY PER THE SITE PLAN IN THE DETENTION POND.
SO THAT WAS ALSO NOT A GREAT IDEA.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A VERY LOW SWALE, YOU'RE JUST LIKE, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T PARK THE FOOD TRUCK IN THE DETENTION POND IN THAT AREA.
LET'S TRY TO MOVE THAT INTO AN IMPROVED SURFACE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS ALSO HAVING TO LOOK AT THOSE CODES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA DO.
AND SITE PLANS COME THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVELY ANYWAY.
THIS MAKES SENSE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE ALL MEETING CODES.
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WHAT'S YOUR SIGNAGE LOOK LIKE? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO GET A SIGN PERMIT? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THESE THINGS? UM, AND IT REALLY, I'M HOPING WHAT IT DOES IS IT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION.ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE OWNERS OF THE FOOD TRUCKS.
AND THEN WE CAN FURTHER REFINE THIS.
THIS IS ALWAYS EDCS AREN'T STAGNANT.
THEY'RE DEFINITELY A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT.
UM, AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS AND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE UDC REWRITE, I EXPECT SOME OF THESE THINGS TO CHANGE AND EVEN BE REFINED FURTHER.
THIS IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO RESPOND TO NO HOURS.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO SEE? ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT P AND Z IS GONNA SEE.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS GONNA NEED.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN ALSO PRESENT THAT TO YOU AS AN APPEAL OF WHAT DO I, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO I NEED TO DIRECT MY STAFF IF IT WASN'T AN APPEAL THAT THIS IS THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF WHY WE COULD SAY THIS IS WHY WE DIDN'T SAY YES.
BECAUSE HERE'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THIS GOES, THIS IS KIND OF OUR LAST LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING TO US FOR S AFTER THIS.
ANYTHING WE SEE AFTER, IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED, ANYTHING WE SEE AFTER THIS IS JUST AN APPEAL FOR US.
BUT MY QUESTION IS THE EXISTING FOOD TRUCKS, SO LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN, MM-HMM.
THAT APPROVAL, I'M ASSUMING APPLIES TO OUR EXISTING FOOD TRUCKS IN ADDITION TO NEW ONES.
SO THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO KNOW THAT
THIS IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO NEW AS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS.
BUT AS THEY'RE MOVING, AS THEY'RE CHANGING THINGS ON SITE, THAT'S WHEN THIS WILL START TO COME INTO PLAY.
I DO FULLY EXPECT KNOWING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING ON THE UDC AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BROUGHT INTO FOR, LIKE, WE JUST GOT OUR FIRST FEW CHAPTERS IS FOR STAFF REVIEW FRIDAY, I WANNA SAY FRIDAY LATE.
UM, THAT I FULLY EXPECT THIS TO BE A MUCH MORE ROBUST.
DO WE WANT TO ADD SOMETHING IN THE UDC AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR WHAT IS A FOOD TRUCK LOT? WHEN ARE YOU JUST A LOT OF FOOD TRUCK? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD END UP HAVING THEN IS A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING 'CAUSE IT WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN AS IT STARTS TO CHANGE TOO MUCH, THEN YOU START TO SEE THEM ALL COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH NEW CODES.
'CAUSE WE STILL DON'T DEFINE WHAT AN ACTUAL FOOD TRUCK LOT IS OR HOW WE WANT THAT TO BEHAVE.
THERE'S CERTAINLY IN THE RESEARCH THAT, UM, STAFF AND I WERE DOING AND KIND OF SHARING THOSE INFORMATION, THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, UM, A FULLY, UM, DESIGNATED IN RESTROOM.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO OTHER, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE CONTRACT.
UM, THERE'S SOME THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A GENERATOR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT WITH WATER WASTEWATER AND ELECTRIC SERVICE.
AND SO THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AND SAY, OKAY, THIS WORKED BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TAKE OUT THE BUSINESS HOURS AND THIS IS THRIVING.
HOW DO WE MAKE THAT THRIVE BUT REFINANCE SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE BEING RESPECTFUL OF ALL OF, UM, THE OTHER OWNERS DOWNTOWN.
DO YOU ENVISION HAVING DIFFERENT LEVEL OF FOOD TRUCK, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS? IN OTHER WORDS, IN A SMALLER COMPACT AREA LIKE DOWNTOWN THERE GENERATORS ARE ALLOWED, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHEREAS SOMETHING THAT MAY BE LARGER OR LIKE AT THE BRUSHY CREEK, RUSHY CREEK THAT WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE A SEPARATE SET OF RULES FOR FOOD VENDORS THERE.
NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS MAYBE GETTING AWAY IN THE TOO MUCH.
YOU, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT TALKING POINTS.
I COULD SEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM RIGHT.
AND CERTAINLY AS WE'RE LOOKING EVEN IN PARKS, LIKE, HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF WE COULD DO A CHARGING STATION FOR A CAR? BUT IT WOULD COULD ALSO DOUBLE IN THE TIME OF A SPECIAL EVENT IF IT ALREADY HAS ELECTRIC.
IS THERE A WAY TO ALSO UTILIZE THAT FOR OTHER THINGS WE MIGHT NEED ELECTRIC FOR? AND LOOKING INTO SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IT WAS JUST, IT A, A DISCUSSION ON STAFF.
BUT IT, IT IS SOME OF THOSE THINGS OF HOW COULD WE BETTER DESIGN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT.
TO BE WELCOMING TO THESE DIFFERENT USES, BUT THEN ALSO ENSURING THAT WE'RE TREATING EVERYBODY FAIRLY.
AND THAT IF YOU'RE MAKING AN INVESTMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN, IT'S GOING TO BE AN INVESTMENT.
IT'S GONNA STILL LOOK REALLY GOOD THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST GO, WOW, OKAY, WE HAVE A FOOD TRUCK LOT.
NOT, OH, HAVE YOU SEEN THE FOOD TRUCK LOT? AND I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY AT A, OH, HAVE YOU SEEN THE FOOD TRUCK LOT? LIKE, THAT'S REALLY COOL, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET ANYWHERE.
AND CERTAINLY I THINK IF YOU'VE SEEN ANYTHING IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, I MEAN AUSTIN CERTAINLY EVEN HAS DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM SIMILAR, I THINK SIMILAR BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANTS.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD DISCUSSED.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD GO THAT FAR AT THIS POINT.
WE CERTAINLY NEED MORE RESTAURANTS IN TOWN.
AND SO, BUT YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE PENDULUM CAN SWING ONE WAY AND THEN, AND YOU KNOW, IN A FEW YEARS WE CAN BE BACK.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TIERS MM-HMM.
WE HAVE DIFFERENT TIERS OF WHETHER IT'S A HIGH DENSITY, LIKE AT BRUSHY CREEK, I MEAN A LOW DENSITY BRUSHY CREEK AND A HIGH DENSITY WHERE WE HAVE DOWNTOWN THAT THAT WOULD BE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LAND USE TYPE OF
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YEAH.BECAUSE LIKE A A PARK FOR EXAMPLE, A PUBLIC PARK MAY HAVE TYPICAL HOURS OF OPERATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE CERTAINLY BUT YOU RESTRICT HOURS IN A PARK.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM OPEN AT 1:00 AM.
THERE'S A CURFEW ALREADY EXISTS.
AND THEN LUCKILY USUALLY IN PARKS IT'S THE CITY THAT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT YEAH, I I I THINK HAVING, YOU KNOW, TIER AND KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A LAND USE YEAH.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
THIS WAS TRULY JUST TO SAY, OKAY, I HEAR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE WORKSHOP.
HOW DO WE REFINE THE CODE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO MEET WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
BUT THEN ALSO GIVE US SOME TEETH IN HERE.
SO IF THEY DO NEED TO APPEAL, AT LEAST THERE IS A LEVEL OF BARE MINIMUM INFORMATION THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE TO US.
THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO YOU TO SAY, MM-HMM
OR THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IT WAS DENIED.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, SO WE CAN ALSO TELL 'EM, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WAS ADOPTED AND HERE'S WHY.
AND THIS IS WHY, KIND OF GIVING 'EM THE WHY BEHIND, UM, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
CAN ASHLEY, CAN YOU ROLL THIS DOWN SO I CAN GET WHICH ITEM NUMBER THAT WAS? OH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO 5.353 OF THE AGENDA.
NO, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT OR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE.
I WANTED TO OH, YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THE OR AUTHORIZED AGENT, IT WOULD BE ADDED TO.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW THE UDC IS SET UP RIGHT NOW.
WAS IT FIVE? FIVE? I WAS THERE AND THEN IT FLIPPED.
I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE MY SCREEN IS TOO BIG NOW.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO IT THIS WAY.
COMMISSIONER MORRIS, I GOT THERE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE RED LINE THINGS THAT WERE REMOVED THAT WERE JUST IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
UM, NOW IS THIS THE PAGE THAT WAS MISSING FROM OUR PACKET? YES.
I WAS LIKE, WAIT, BUT NO, THERE WAS THIS OTHER BACK SHEET THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE.
I THINK MY COMPUTER IS JUST HAVING A MONDAY
SO IT'S TEN THREE, TEN FIVE 0.3.
AND IT WOULD JUST BE THE SECOND.
IT WOULD BE THAT SECOND BULLET POINT THAT, UM, PROPERTY OWNER OR DESIGNEE HERE DESIGNEE.
ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION ON THIS? OKAY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 5.3.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, PRESENT 5.3 TO COUNSEL.
RECOMMENDATION, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO COUNSEL WITH THE AMENDED LANGUAGE ON 10 POINT.
10.3 POINT REGARDING PROPERTY OWNER OR DESIGNATED, UH, AUTHORIZED DESIGNEE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ACTUALLY, WAS, WAS THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WE MODIFIED? WAS THAT MM-HMM.
NO, SHE JUST CORRECTED SOME SPELLINGS.
THAT'S, I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
HEATH, HEATH, BAR HEATH, THE GOONIES.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE FUN PART.
UM, EVERYBODY AT YOUR SPACE BECAUSE I DID GO BACK AND KIND OF LOOK AT THE CIC.
WE COULDN'T HEAR EVERYBODY IF YOU WERE DOWN HERE.
SO I PRINTED A BIG MAP AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS.
WE COULD NOT HEAR ANYBODY'S CONVERSATION.
UM, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR THE RECORDING.
SO I PRINTED INSTEAD 11 BY SEVENTEENS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN TALK INTO
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YOUR MIC.YOU CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE HERE.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA UM, DRAW MARK UP ANYTHING, I CAN COLLECT ALL OF THEM AND SCAN THEM AND GIVE THOSE ALL.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ONLY REALLY GAVE YOU 15, 20 MINUTES AT THAT MEETING TO DISCUSS.
SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE ANOTHER 30 OR SO AND JUST UM, IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS ON HERE THAT YOU SEE LIKE, HEY, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE UM, SOMETHING, OR EVEN IF IT'S JUST STATEMENTS, I THINK ON BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE IN THE MOBILITY PLAN AND BECAUSE THE PARKS IS LAGGING, IF YOU WANNA STATE, HEY, WE REALLY DO WANNA SEE SOME TRAILS ALONG ALL OF OUR CREEKS, THAT COULD JUST BE A STATEMENT THAT WE CAN TAKE FORWARD THAT THE MOBILITY PLAN, UM, CONSULTANTS CAN THEN LOOK AT.
AND THEN WE CAN ALSO REITERATE THAT TO THE PARKS.
UM, I AM HOPING TO AT LEAST GET A JOINT MEETING PRIOR TO THE PARKS PLAN COMING FORWARD FOR ANYTHING BETWEEN P AND Z AND PARKS, SO LIKELY NEXT MONTH.
BUT THEN ALSO JUST HAVING THEM PRESENT THE PARKS PLAN SO THAT YOU ALSO SEE THAT WHAT YOU'VE COMMENTED ON THE MOBILITY PLAN IS ALSO REFLECTED UM, IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU, WE DID ALSO PRESENT TO THE PARK.
UM, I GAVE THE PARKS DIRECTOR THE EXISTING MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF.
JUST TO SAY, HEY, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PARKS GROUP ALSO HAS THIS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR TRAILS THAT YOU'RE ALSO FOLLOWING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MAP IS BASED A LOT ON.
SO WE'RE ALL KIND OF WORKING FROM THAT SAME SHEET, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALL AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE I CAN SHOW YOU ON THIS ONE, THE GREEN IS KIND OF JUST THE AREA THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TRAILS.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME SIDEWALKS AND WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE TRAILS IN WHICH IS AMAZING.
SO TO START THIS DISCUSSION, JUST A COUPLE CLARIFYING POINTS THAT I HOPE BENEFITS EVERYONE.
UM, FIRST IF THERE ARE, THIS IS THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CREATING THE NEW ONE.
SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT SINCE THIS WAS DONE, DO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THOSE OR WILL THE CONSULTANTS AND YOU ALL ALREADY IDENTIFY THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE UPDATED? YEAH, SO THEY, THEY WILL, THEY WILL HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED.
UM, AS EXISTING ROADS BECAUSE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH IS TIED TO THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
WE CANNOT USE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.
SO WE CAN'T IDENTIFY THE EXISTING ROADS AS PROJECTS.
SO THEY'D HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED IN HERE AS EXISTING RATHER THAN AS PROPOSED.
BUT I THINK THE PART I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY IS WE WOULD SHIFT THEM TO EXISTING INSTEAD OF PROPOSED.
BUT THE TIFF MONEY CAN STILL BE USED FOR EXPANSIONS OF THOSE ROADWAYS TO THE FULL BUILD OUT.
THEY JUST CAN'T BE USED FOR LIKE MILL AND OVERLAY OR PATCHING, WHATEVER.
SO IS THERE STILL BENEFIT FOR US TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT OUT? OR I'M JUST SAYING OR IS STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS GONNA ALREADY DO THAT BEFORE WE PUT OUT THE NEW ONE? I GUESS I NEED AN EXAMPLE.
SO WHAT I, WHAT'S GOING INTO MY MIND IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PREVIOUS MOBILITY MASTER PLAN SAID THAT THE ULTIMATE SECTION FOR LIMB LOOP MM-HMM.
SO IT'S SHOWN ON THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AS A PROPOSED ROAD EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? A DEGREE.
THE CHALLENGE IS WE ONLY HAVE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
SO WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE FULL BUILD OUT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR ANY OF THESE.
I'M JUST SAYING IN THE SENSE OF LIKE, I'VE SEEN NUMEROUS EXAMPLES HERE WHERE LIKE A MINOR ARTERIAL IS SAYING THAT IT'S A PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE, BUT AT THIS CURRENT STATE IT IS ALREADY BUILT OUT.
IT HAS BEEN BUILT AND IS COMPLETED.
SORRY, WHEN I SAY COMPLETED, THERE IS A ROADWAY THERE.
IT MIGHT NOT BE AT THE FULL BUILD OUT, BUT THERE IS A ROADWAY THERE.
SO I THINK, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY, DO WE NEED TO NOTE THOSE SO THEY CAN BE SWAPPED IN THIS PLAN FROM PROPOSED TO EXISTING? OR DO THEY NEED TO STAY AS PROPOSED BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE THEY MIGHT BE EXPANDED? I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A COUPLE LIKE CONNECTOR ROADS, LIKE CARL STERN FOR EXAMPLE.
RIGHT NOW IT SHOWS THAT IT'S ENDING RIGHT AT THE UH, RIGHT AT THE CROSS CREEK PLACE.
IT ACTUALLY HAS NOT BEEN BUILT BY LENNAR ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THE END OF LENNAR'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO A SMALL SEGMENT RIGHT NOW THAT'S SHOWING AS PROPOSED, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY EXISTING.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF EXAMPLE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S STILL NOT AT ITS, UM, FULL EXTENT.
BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A, IT'S ONLY A TWO LANE.
TECHNICALLY AND THAT COULD BE THREE WOULD NEED TO GET EXPANDED.
UM, IF YOU WANNA MARK THOSE DOWN AND JUST ASTERISK OVER THEM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM,
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ON THIS PLAN, I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S OUT OF THE COMP PLAN, WHICH THEN FAR OUTDATE WHAT THE MOBILITY PLAN SHOWED AND THIS ONE ACTUALLY LINKS UP MM-HMM.AND SO THIS ONE WAS LIKE, OKAY, THIS KIND OF CORRECTS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T LINK UP WITH OTHER AREAS.
THIS WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY, UM, THE COUNTY AT THE TIME OF, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTION.
SO THEY SAW IT AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEP, THEY LIKE THIS ROADWAY.
PFLUGERVILLE SAW IT, WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THEY WERE LIKE, COOL, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA LINE UP WITH OUR ROADWAY AND, AND THIS WORKS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THIS ONE MORE THAN TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT THE MOBILITY PLAN HAD.
BUT IF YOU SEE ANY LIKE, OH, THIS ONE AT THE, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS UM, COTTON BROOK, THAT PART'S BEEN COMPLETED.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE MARKED DOWN, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT TO JUST REITERATE LIKE I THINK THIS IS IN YEAH.
BECAUSE I KNOW IT GOES IN ALMOST TO THE EVANS FARMSTEAD.
AND THEN MY SECOND CLARIFYING POINT BEFORE WE DIG INTO THE, THE WEEDS OF IT IS MAYBE MORE OF A STATEMENT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.
I THINK THERE'S BENEFIT OF LOOKING AT THE CIP PART, NOT, NOT THE IMPACT FEE, CIP, THE ACTUAL CITY CIP PART, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING AT THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE THE, FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO THIS, I'VE ALREADY MADE SOME NOTES HERE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FY 25 CIP, THERE'S SOME GOOD OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF NOTE WHERE WE THINK SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED WITH THAT BASED ON THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE THOROUGHFARE.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE SMALL SEGMENTS THAT I'M NOTING THAT HEY, IF WE ADD THIS AS A PRIORITY TO THE CIP, THIS IS A PRIORITY TO THE CIP OR AT LEAST RECOMMEND THAT WE COULD GET SOME QUALITY, UM, THROUGHPUT INTO SOME OF THESE AREAS WITH MINIMAL, MINIMAL COST.
SO KIND, MAYBE JUST MORE OF A STATEMENT THAT'S KIND OF ANTERIOR PURPOSE SINCE WE'RE ALSO THAT GROUP, SINCE WE HAVE LIKE 15 HATS, UM, TO JUST CONSIDER AS WE'RE TALKING THROUGH IT ANYWAY.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO LIKE CLARIFYING PIECES BEFORE WE TALK STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANT TO LIKE GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE, I ALSO HAVE MANY.
I IMAGINE THAT, SO UM, I THINK THINGS THAT WE JUST KNOW NEED TO BE CHANGED.
MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS OR TALK THROUGH.
I MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SMALL THINGS ON HERE THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED OR ARE INCORRECT BASED ON THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL THROW OUT A FEW SMALL ONES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
UM, AND MR. STEWART KNOWS THIS, THE ROAD THAT'S CURRENTLY BEHIND THE CROSS CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH SOUTH, THAT IS NEVER HAPPENING AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
BECAUSE IT'S ALSO FLOOD PLAIN.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE A DIGITAL COPY ON THIS SO WE CAN MARK THIS ON OUR MAPS? OR ARE WE NOT THAT, THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL RIGHT NOW? I DON'T THINK WE ARE THAT LEVEL.
WHY DIDN'T YOU HAVE SETH COME,
UM, COULD YOU AT LEAST PULL A DIGITAL COPY OF THIS UP AND LIKE YEAH, SCROLL AROUND.
I HAVE IT ON THE NEXT, I MEAN IT'S PRETTY LITTLE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO FLIP TO THE OTHER? I'M GONNA HAVE TO SEE.
YOU MEAN TO JUST LIKE TALK THROUGH OR? WELL, I JUST, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN STANDING UP DOESN'T WORK.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN LASER YOUR POINTER.
KNOW IF IT'S GONNA ACTUALLY LIKE LET ME, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
I THINK I CAN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING.
YOU NEED THAT POSITIVE OVER YOUR FACE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT NEEDS A LOT.
SO THE FIRST THING I'M SAYING IS THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED RIGHT HERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S BESIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BASED ON, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BUILT, THAT'S NEVER HAPPENING.
BE REMOVED AND IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL ANYWAY BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH CONNECTION.
UM, ONE THING I WAS SAYING JUST AS A NOTE FOR CIP, UM, I WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT 'CAUSE IT'S A GOOD CIP NOTE.
SO WE NEED MORE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIVITY AND MORE EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY.
WE ALL KNOW THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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SO A COUPLE THINGS HERE.CARL STERN IS ACTUALLY ALREADY DONE ALL THE WAY UP TO RIGHT HERE.
UM, THERE'S ONLY THIS SMALL PIECE THAT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE DONE.
AND THEN HERE'S A NOTE THAT I HAVE.
SO THE WHOLE NEW POTENTIAL NEW 1660 CONNECTION UP HERE.
UM, TO HAVE A TRUE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR SEPARATE FROM 1660, UM, YOU ONLY NEED TO COMPLETE A SMALL SECTION THERE, SMALL SECTION HERE AND YOU HAVE CONNECTION ALL THE WAY TO 79.
THEN ONCE WE GET THIS OVERPASS COMPLETE, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU ONLY HAVE TO COMPLETE THIS SMALL SECTION AND THIS SMALL SECTION.
AND NOW YOU HAVE A SECONDARY EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND ANOTHER NORTH SOUTH THAT GOES TO AN OVERPASS AND YOU HAVE A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR THAT COMES TO AN OVERPASS.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS WE THINK OF PRIORITIZATION IN THE FUTURE, PRIORITIZE THESE TWO SMALL SEGMENTS AND THEN ONCE THE OVERPASS IS COMPLETE, PRIORITIZE THESE TWO SEGMENTS AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE TWO CONNECTIONS.
REGARDING, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE LEGEND AND YEAH.
THAT IS A, THAT IS GOING TO BE A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE MAP.
AND THAT IS, WELL EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE 1 32 IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, QUESTION, ARE YOU STILL IN THAT INTERSECTION? UH, NO, I'M NOT ON THAT INTERSECTION.
BUT SO ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR THAT INTERSECTION.
I KNOW ORIGINALLY POSSIBLY TO CONNECT TO 79 OR OR LONG TERM.
WHAT IS THE CONNECTION PLAN TO 79? IS IT A JUG HANDLE ROAD FOR THE 1 32? YEAH.
IS IT FULL RAMPS? FULL ON AND OFF RAMPS.
UM, I ASKED THIS AT THE, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THE CROSSING, UM, THAT IS THE GREEN, UH, PENTAGON, UH, MARKER IN THE LEGEND, UH, IS SUPPOSEDLY A SIGNALED CROSSING, BUT I'M ONLY SEEING ONE.
SO IS THAT A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING? POSSIBLY HERE.
BECAUSE THE ONE I'M SEEING IS DOWN ALONG THE, UH, FAR SOUTH THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
THAT'S THE ONLY CROSSING THAT I SEE ON HERE FOR A SIGNAL.
AND WHEN I ASKED IT I WAS TOLD IT WAS A SIGNALED CROSSING.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE SHOULD BE A, UH, GRADE SEPARATED, GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING, UH, 79 AND I THINK IT'S ON HERE.
33 49 OR IS THAT THE PURPLE PENTAGON NORTH? YEAH, THE PURPLE PENTAGON IS WHERE IT STARTS TO FLY OVER.
SO THAT'S A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING WHERE YOU, WHERE THE PENTAGON STARTS AND STOPS.
UM, THE ROUNDABOUTS, UH, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS BEFORE, SOME OF 'EM JUST AREN'T HAPPENING.
THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AT MER AND 1660 FOR EXAMPLE.
I'M GONNA CHIME IN AND ASK A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS WITH THIS IN OTHER LOCATIONS, WE'RE NOT CLARIFYING IF IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION VERSUS A STOP SIGN, WHATEVER INTERSECTION.
IS THERE A REASON WE'RE SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT ROUNDABOUTS? GOOD QUESTION.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY MORE OF AN ASSESSMENT BASED ON STAFF AND ENGINEERING DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A BENEFIT OF EVEN TRYING TO CALL THOSE OUT VERSUS JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE INTERSECTIONS OR ADD YOUR SIGNAL LIGHTS TO THIS? YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE CALLING OUT ROUNDABOUTS IN NOT THE OTHERS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONE ABOVE THE 79 MARKER.
WHY ARE WE CALLING THAT OUT? I DON'T KNOW.
AND I THINK, AND I'M ASKING FROM THE SENSE OF JUST THE, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT THEN GOES TO THE IMPACT FEE CIP.
IS THERE ANY BENEFIT OF CALLING OUT A ROUNDABOUT FOR LIKE THE FUNDING PIECE? BECAUSE I THINK THE IMPACT FEE CHEAPER COULD GO TOWARDS EITHER ROUNDABOUT OR SIGNALIZE ON THE ROADWAY.
CONSTRUCTION OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE USABLE FOR IMPACT
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FEES.AND SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS COME UP REPEATEDLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO EITHER WANT TO GET OUT OF PAYING THEIR IMPACT FEES OR WANT TO GET OUT OF HAVING TO DO A TIA IS THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, ISN'T THE CITY DOUBLE DIPPING? AND MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS THE IMPACT FEE DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE IMPACTS THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN SIGNALS OR ROUNDABOUTS OR JUST KINDA SYSTEM ROUTE.
AND SO WE NEED THE TIA TO TELL US WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE JUST GIVING US IMPACT FEE MONEY DOESN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW THOSE ANSWERS.
WHEREAS THE IMPACT FEE IS THE LINEAR VEHICLE MILES THAT YOU ARE HAVING ON IMPACT ON OUR TOTAL NETWORK.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE IMPACT FEE IS IN PLACE, BUT THE UDC STILL REQUIRES TIAS FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
YEAH, NO, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH THAT.
I'M JUST STATING FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE FOR THE PLANS WE'RE PUTTING OUT, THE MAPS WE'RE PUTTING OUT, IS THERE ANY EITHER FUNDING OR ADMINISTRATIVE BENEFIT TO CALLING OUT ROUNDABOUTS EXPLICITLY FOR INTERSECTIONS? OR DO WE JUST NEED TO SHOW 'EM AS INTERSECTIONS? OR DO WE JUST NEED TO SHOW THEM AS INTERSECTIONS? I'LL SAY THAT IN THE SENSE OF I AM A FAN OF ROUNDABOUTS AND WE NEED TO ADD AS MANY IN AS POSSIBLE WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE.
BUT I'M SAYING DO THEY NEED TO BE THERE? 'CAUSE REALLY IT WOULD BE FOR YOUR TEAM TO WORK WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE A SIGNAL.
SO THIS MIGHT NOT BE ACCURATE AT ALL IN THE END STATE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE RISK THAT YOU RUN TO TRY AND WHICH IS OF GETTING TOO INTO THE WEEDS YEP.
WITH YOUR IMPACT FEE AND YOUR MOBILITY MASTER PLANNING AND THE CARE PLAN BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE ARBITRARILY INFLATING YOUR IMPACT FEE CALCULATIONS.
WHETHER IT BE A SIGNAL OR A ROUNDABOUT OR A STOP SIGN.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT LOOKING AT MER AND 1660, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY FIT A ROUNDABOUT IN THERE.
AND THOSE ARE SOME THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT.
I CAN TELL YOU, UM, JUST LOOKING AT IT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT WAS JUST, OKAY, LET'S JUST USE WHAT WE HAVE.
LIKE WHAT'S THE NEWEST MAP YOU HAVE? BUT, SO IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, WE CAN TAKE THEM OUT AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN WHEN THE MOBILITY PLAN IS UPDATED, THAT'S THEN WE'RE LIKE SEE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS UPDATED BY THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A TON OF INTERSECTIONS IN HERE THAT AREN'T DESIGNATED AS SIGNALIZE CROSSINGS OR AS ROUNDABOUTS.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, I GUESS WHAT I'M LEANING TOWARDS IS LET'S GET RID OF ROUNDABOUTS ON THIS MAP AND LET ENGINEERING TEAM DECIDE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FROM ENGINEERING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO TO REMOVE THEM.
SO WE CAN JUST REMOVE ROUNDABOUTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SIGNALED, I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE THAT ONE GREEN, BUT I WANT I PUT A QUESTION MARK ON MINE.
JUST OF WHAT DOES THAT GREEN MEAN? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE, UM, FROM THE, UM, HUSO IT WAS JUST CONTROLLED ACCESS CROSSINGS SO THAT WE HAVE A GREEN CROSSING, A GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING AND A ROUNDABOUT.
AND BEING THAT IT'S A, IT'S RIGHT ALONG A TRAIL OR SIDEWALK.
BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE FURTHER EAST THAT SHOULD ALSO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING UNDERNEATH THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
BUT THEN SHOULDN'T THERE BE ONE JUST ON THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER OF THE 1660 TAG AT THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF THE SOUTHEAST LOOP? HMM MM-HMM.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT IS INTERESTING.
SO I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GREEN'S FOR.
DO WE, SO DO WE THINK THIS, THIS HERE, RIGHT.
SO DO WE THINK WE NEED TO CALL OUT INTERSECTIONS OF ALL THEN? YEAH.
I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T, HOWEVER WE COULD DO IF ONE SMALL CAVEAT TO THAT, THAT RIGHT THERE, THERE SHOULD BE ONE THERE TOO.
THEY HAD MENTIONED, OR SOMEBODY ELSE HAD MENTIONED ONE THING THAT WAS INCORRECT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO 1 99 WHERE IT TURNS RIGHT NOW AND THAT PROPOSED ROAD TO THE NORTH, SOMEBODY HAD THOUGHT THAT WAS CONNECTING OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NEVER CONNECTING.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A RAILROAD CROSSING THERE.
SO JUST FOR CLARITY, IS THERE A NEED TO SHOW WHAT IS TRULY A CONNECTED INTERSECTION VERSUS NOT A CONNECTED INTERSECTION? OR IS THAT OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE CLEARER ON A GIS VERSION OF THIS I'M
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ASSUMING VERSUS A VERY OH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CALLED OUT IN SOME SITUATIONS.
THEY MAY BE COLOR CODED TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE THINGS AS, BUT THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER TABLE THAT SAYS, WELL THAT'S AN A ONE THAT MEANS IT'S A ROUNDABOUT AND A ONE, A ONE FOUR WOULD BE FOUR.
FOUR ROADS COMING IN ON A ON AND ROUND.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE TABLE? 'CAUSE IT, THIS IS GONNA GET DENSE FAST.
AND I'M SAYING SHOULD WE JUST, YOU KNOW, COLORIZE THREE OR FOUR FLAVORS OF INTERSECTIONS, HOW MANY OF THAT IS, AND THEN HAVE A TABLE AND THEN, AND THEN THE COLORIZED CIRCLE, NOT MEANING A ROUNDABOUT, BUT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF CODE THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER LIKE A I'LL USE AN INTERSECTION USE CODE.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO NOW THIS IS, THIS IS AGAIN JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN FROM THE COMP PLAN.
SO THIS IS NOT WHAT'S GOING IN THE MOBILITY PLAN.
BUT, UM, IN THE CURRENT MOBILITY PLAN, THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2018, WE HAVE ONE SHEET THAT SHOWS THE ROADS.
WE HAVE ONE SHEET THAT SHOWS SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE SHEET THAT SHOWS INTERSECTIONS.
BUT THE ONLY TWO INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE ARE THE TWO RAILROAD CROSSINGS BECAUSE THEY CALL 'EM OUT AS QUIET ZONES.
AND SO YOU COULD DO THE SAME KIND OF THING WHERE YOU HAVE RIGHT.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU JUST GET A, A MAP THAT'S VERY COLORFUL AND YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT.
YOU COULD DO A SHEET THAT HAS YOUR ROADS, A SHEET THAT HAS ALL OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS, TRAILS, I, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THEN A SHEET THAT HAS ALL OF YOUR INTERSECTIONS.
SO MOST LIKELY THEY WILL USE GIS TO BUILD THE, TO BUILD THESE MAP MAPS THAT GO INTO THE PLAN.
AND THEN EACH OF THOSE WILL BE ON THEIR OWN DISTINCT LAYER.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THEM PROVIDE US THE DIGITAL COPIES SO THAT WE CAN GIVE IT TO OUR GIS DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY CAN UPLOAD IT INTO OUR HUDDLE VIEW.
BUT I THINK THE GIS THING IS MORE LONG TERM AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING JUST MAYBE SHORT TERM YOU COULD PROBABLY WHIP OUT IN A FEW WEEKS OR SO.
WELL I MEAN IT, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
'CAUSE THEY WOULD TAKE THE GIS AND BASICALLY CREATE PAPER COPIES TO PUT IN THE RIGHT PDF VERSION OF THE MOBILITY PLAN.
BUT THEN WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN THEY DO THAT, HAVE THEM GIVE US THE KMZ OR THE SHAPE FILES SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT TO OUR GIS DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY CAN UPLOAD IT INTO OUR HUDDLE VIEW MAP SO THAT PEOPLE, THEY CAN THEN GO TURN IT ON AND TURN IT OFF AND SEE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU WANNA SEE.
AND WHAT'S IS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT? IS THAT SEVERAL MONTHS OR SEVERAL WEEKS OR LONGER? IT'S SEVERAL MONTHS.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
THEY'RE WANTING YOUR GUYS' FEEDBACK SO THEY CAN START, GO BUILDING THESE MAPS.
AND THIS IS REALLY JUST WHAT DID, WHAT'S WRONG ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? WHAT DO WE NEED TO UPDATE? WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE ON THIS? I MEAN, SO IT CAN BE, LET'S REMOVE THE ROUNDABOUTS.
SO ASHLEY, CAN WE ALSO CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE FUTURE USE MAP? BECAUSE WE'RE ANOTHER LAYER.
I DON'T MEAN TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER, BUT NO, THEY ALREADY EXIST.
BECAUSE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAILS LIKE FUTURE TRAILS, IF WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD STILL, DEPENDING UPON THE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S PUT THERE, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT THERE TO BE A WALKING TRAIL ACCESSIBLE TO THAT COMMERCIAL AREA.
I'M JUST WANTING TO JUST CONSIDER THAT AS WELL IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I DON'T WANNA COMPLICATE SENSE THINGS EVEN MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.
BUT
THAT WAS SOME OF THE GUIDANCE THAT I GAVE THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST FRUSTRATIONS WITH THE CURRENT MOBILITY PLAN IS THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHERE WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, LET'S SAY.
AND THEY'VE GOT BIKE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN TRAILS AND ALL THAT.
AND I'M LIKE, THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
RIGHT? SO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OUR LAND USE MAP AND SEE IF THE TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING BIKE LANES ON ROADS WITH 18 WHEELERS.
AND I THINK IN HAVING PARKS AND REC, HAVING THAT COMMISSION REVIEW, THAT PORTION
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IN PARTICULAR, GETTING THEIR INPUT WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST START OF OUR COLLABORATION WITH THEM IS INVOLVING THEM AND THE REVIEW OF THIS.'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN, NOT THIS MAP, BUT THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
I'M JUST LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT CAME AFTER YOUR LAST PARKS MASTER PLAN.
SO GIVE THIS OVER, KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE IN MOVEMENTS.
UM, AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO THEN BE ABLE TO SAY WHERE THEY WANT 'EM.
TYPICALLY WHAT I'VE SEEN, EVEN IN UM, LIKE ROUND ROCK I THINK IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THEY DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE UM, I MEAN THEY HAVE A FULL WASTE, LIKE THE BRUSHY CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THERE IS A HUGE TRAIL BEHIND THERE ON THE BRUSHY CREEK.
AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YEAH, BUT IF WE WANNA GET OVER TO BRUSHY CREEK, LIKE WE'RE MAKING THAT CONNECTION REGARDLESS.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME AREAS, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY THEN GO BEHIND WHERE WE HAVE BRUSHY CREEK.
IT WOULD END UP EVENTUALLY GOING BEHIND WHERE TEXMEX HAD RELOCATED AS WELL AS WHERE THAT BIG YOUNG BLOOD CENTER WENT IN.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, WELL YEAH, BUT WE STILL WANT IT ON THAT TRAIL SYSTEM AND THEY LEFT A HUGE SWATH OF PROPERTY OPEN.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK GETTING THIS TOGETHER, SEEING WHERE WE HAVE IT, AND THEN EVEN SAYING, WELL MAYBE HERE WE DO NEED A TRAIL CONNECTIVITY OR RIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP, I WOULD SAY LET'S GET RID OF THE BLUE DOTS, THE ROUNDABOUTS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE ANY SORT OF FUNDING OR PROJECTS ON US 79.
THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
WE DON'T GET TO PLAY WITH THAT.
SO LET'S PUT THAT IN BLACK BECAUSE ONE 30 IS IN BLACK, THE SOUTHEAST LOOP IS IN BLACK.
ANY ROAD THAT WE CAN'T TOUCH SHOULD BE IN BLACK.
I THINK THE REASON BASED ON THE KEY RIGHT NOW THOUGH, IS IT'S SAYING IT'S CONTROLLED ACCESS.
I I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH.
MAYBE THE KEY SHOULD CHANGE INSTEAD.
TO THIS ISN'T OUR ROAD, WE CAN'T IMPACT THIS.
WELL, BUT THE PROBLEM I THINK WITH THAT IS, IS LIKE CHANDLER ROAD, I DON'T THINK WE TECHNICALLY CAN IMPACT CHANDLER ROAD EITHER, CAN WE, CHANDLER ROAD WILL BE CONTROLLED ACCESS RIGHT.
BUT I'M SAYING IT'S ALSO SOMETHING WE CAN'T CONTROL.
AND SO MAYBE THEN THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A SEPARATE MAP JUST SAYING HERE'S WHAT'S UNDER OUR PURVIEW.
HERE'S SAINT, UH, MAY MAYBE A SEPARATE MAP OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW, COLOR, COLOR IT TO THE LEDGE.
BUT, BUT I MEAN YOUR, YOUR POINT IS VALID.
THE CONTROLLED ACCESS ROADS WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.
SO 79 SHOULD BASICALLY BE MARKED OUT AS A ROAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
SO ALL THOSE 6 85 FULL ACCESS ROADS, EIGHT ROAD.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET TO PLAY WITH 6 85.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS THAT WE, I MEAN ON THE CONTROLLED ACCESS FOR, FOR ONE 30, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE RAMPS.
AND, BUT, BUT LIKE 79 AND, AND UM, AND ED SCH SMITH, I MEAN THAT'S A, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SINGLE LAYER.
I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, TWO DIMENSIONS, THINGS WHERE SURE.
THOSE ARE, IT'S BASICALLY ANOTHER DIMENSION.
BUT IF TXDOT OR, OR FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION COMES IN AND SAYS WE'RE GONNA ELEVATE 79, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH SAY IN THAT.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO IF WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT STREETS COMING INTO 6 85 HERE DOWN IN THE TRIANGLE, BUT WE DO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, BUT WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S COUNTY.
WHAT ABOUT, OKAY, 6 85 IS, IS A TDOT ROAD THAT IS TDOT.
WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE THOSE LITTLE BLUE PROPOSED COLLECTORS IN THE TRIANGLE THERE.
WELL TECHNICALLY WE, WE CAN IMPACT THOSE BLUE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE NEED TO COORDINATE WITH TEXTILE ON WHERE THEY CONNECT TO 6 85.
THE ONLY HESITATION I WOULD ASK, AGAIN, CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ALL IF WE WOULD OR WE'RE NOT REMOVING THEM FROM THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO, MIGHT ANSWER MY QUESTION IF WE WOULD CHANGE THEIR DEPICTION AT ALL.
UM, WE MIGHT WANT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, A LONG 79 OR A LONG 6 85 OR A LONG CHANDLER IN THE FUTURE, WANNA STILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD, UM, A TRAIL OR SOMETHING TO STILL USE TIFF MONEY OR IMPACT FEE MONEY FOR THAT.
IF WE CHANGE THE DEPICTION OR REMOVE IT FROM THAT DEGREE.
CAN WE USE THE MONEY THEN SINCE IT'S NO LONGER ON THE, SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SHEETS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE ROAD YES.
WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE TRAILS OR
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SIDEWALKS, WHICH T MM-HMM.SO YOU CAN STILL SHOW THE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS ON YOUR, YOUR SIDEWALK TRAIL MAP.
AND THEN KEEP THE ROAD AS WE HAVE NO CONTROLLER
'CAUSE THE CONSULTANT HAD MENTIONED IMPACT FEE.
SO I WANNA STILL MAKE SURE WE'RE DEPICTING THOSE.
WHAT IF WE WERE TO ADD A BICYCLE LANE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 1660, WE JUST WI WIDENED IT UP AND GOT THE DEDICATED RIGHT TURN, YOU KNOW, WESTBOUND AT 79.
WHAT IF WE WANTED TO ADD A BIKE LANE ON THAT? SO, AND, AND THIS ASSUMED THAT THERE WAS SOME SAFE WAY PARALLEL TO 79 TO RIDE YOUR BIKE.
WOULD WE NEED TO GET TEXDOT INVOLVED IN DOING A, A BIKE LANE? MM-HMM.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
SO WE'D HAVE TEXTILE FOR THAT.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY AS FAR AS THE DEPICTION GOES, I WANT TO KEEP THESE ROADS ON THIS MAP, BUT CHANGE THE COLOR CODE DESIGNATION TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WE'VE GOT NO CONTROL OVER THAT ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, TO MATT'S POINT, THERE'LL BE NOT ON, THIS WON'T BE WHAT'S IN THE MOBILITY PLAN, BUT THIS IS JUST LIKE THE STARTING, LIKE, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING WRONG? LIKE, HEY, THOSE TWO ROADWAYS ALREADY EXIST.
'CAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE, UM, OF THE COMP PLAN ADOPTION, THAT ROADWAY WASN'T IN YET.
LIKE, WE'RE LIKE, WELL IT'S COMING BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET.
I, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO DIVE MORE INTO THAT NITTY GRITTY ON HERE'S YOUR SIDEWALK AND TRAIL PLAN.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE GONNA SHOW.
AND SO WE CAN ADD SOME THINGS IN THERE AS WELL.
I, I WOULD SAY FOR THIS MAP OR FOR THIS PASS THROUGH, IF YOU WANT, GET RID OF THE BLUE DOTS, LET ENGINEERING DECIDE WHAT KIND OF INTERSECTION IS APPROPRIATE THERE.
CHANGE THE LEGEND SHOWING THE CONTROLLED STATE COUNTY ROADS AS CHANGE, CHANGE THEIR COLORATION OR, OR SOMETHING SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR WE DON'T CONTROL THOSE.
AND THEN SEPARATE OUT YOUR SIDE WALK AND TRAILS INTO A SEPARATE MAP.
O AN OVERLAY, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE GRAY SCALE, GRAY SCALE THE ROADS OR SOMETHING SO YOU CAN AT LEAST SEE WHERE THE ROADS ARE.
BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS SEPARATE.
I THINK THOSE ARE THREE BIG THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ROAD ALIGNMENT AND, AND SO ON.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE ENGINEERING FOR THE MOST PART.
AND WITH ALL OF OUR COUNTY TDOT AND US AND RAILROAD OH.
AND TOLL ROAD, UM,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF AREAS WHERE WE JUST GET TO DO WORK WHATEVER WE WANT.
SADLY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT LITTLE SPOT ON, ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE ABOVE US.
MAYBE WE CAN DO, DO SOME STUFF THERE.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A BIG OVAL OR A A, YOU KNOW, GR UH, MONACO GRAND PRIX TRACK.
UM, SO TO CONTINUE WITH SOME THOUGHTS, SO MAKE MEGASITE THOUGHTS HERE.
MEGASITE AREA, AND I BROUGHT THIS TO THE CONSULTANT, BUT I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING UP FOR OUR THOUGHT DISCUSSION.
SO A COUPLE THINGS AROUND THIS ONE, THIS IS CURRENTLY SHOWING GRADE SEPARATED AND I KNOW WHY THAT'S THERE.
BECAUSE OF THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
THEY'LL HAVE THE ACTUAL ELEVATED ROADWAY AND THEN THE FRONT EDGE ROADS.
BUT I THINK MY QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS AT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT IN THE FUTURE, THIS JUG HANDLE WILL BE GONE.
SO IT WILL JUST BE THE RAMPS GOING IN HERE.
I WAS SAYING THAT FROM THE SENSE OF LIMMER LOOP, IF WE'RE CONTINUING LIMB OR LOOP, IT WOULD BE DUMB TO PUT IT UP THERE INSTEAD OF IN HERE.
IF THEY'RE BACK DOWN TO GRADE GRADE LEVEL, THEN WE CAN TIE IT IN CLOSER.
BUT WE, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THEIR ULTIMATE ELEVATION.
ACTUALLY I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHEN THIS WAS DONE, I THINK THEY HAD LOOKED AT THAT WITH THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY IS LIKE, THIS IS ABOUT HOW FAR BACK WE'LL BE TO GO BACK TO GRADE.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA WANT YOUR LIMMER CROSSING.
WHICH IF IT CHANGES THEN YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO JUST, WE COULD SCOOCH IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT I WAS ALSO THINKING FROM THE SENSE OF THAT THIS WILL ALREADY, IF THEY DO THE ULTIMATE, WELL NEVERMIND THEY DO THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
THEY WILL MAKE A CROSSING THERE.
UM, SO MEGA SITE, WE HAD BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
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THE ONLY ROAD THAT'S NOT ON HERE IS THE, THE STEIN ROAD.IT'S GOING TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
BUT A COUPLE THINGS WITH THAT ONE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE OTHER NEEDED ROADS THAT HOPEFULLY THE EDC CAN INFORM SOON AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ADDED AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY INTO THIS PLAN BECAUSE THOSE NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR EXPANSION AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT TWO, THIS BRINGS UP THE EGRESS ISSUE FOR ME.
WITH THAT HEAVY TRAFFIC, WE HAVE ALL THIS, INCLUDING THIS NEW DATA CENTER COMING HERE, DATA CENTERS OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH TRUCKS, BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THIS TRAFFIC FOR ALL THIS INDUSTRIAL HERE, A LOT OF THIS IS NOT GONNA GET BUILT OUT FOR A WHILE.
SO YOU REALLY ONLY TO GET TO A MAJOR ROADWAY IS YOU HAVE THIS EXIT AND THIS EXIT IS ALL YOU REALLY HAVE UNTIL THE SOUTHEAST LOOP GETS FULLY BUILT OUT AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THIS EXIT.
SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A THOUGHT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS THEN YOUR ONLY MAIN ROAD YOU HAVE COLLECTING EVERYTHING FROM MOST OF THE MEGA SITE TO THEN, LIKE I SAID, EITHER COME OUT HERE OR TO COME OUT HERE.
SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT AS A THOUGHT TO SEE IF SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR ADJUSTED OR PRIORITIZED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND THEN MUDDY IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL IT.
AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO SOME, UH, NORTH SOUTH ROADS THAT WERE ANTICIPATED IN THAT PLAN.
SO THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO HOLD EVERYBODY TO.
SO THIS MAP NEEDS TO BE REFLECT WELL, OKAY, THIS MAP DOESN'T, BUT THE NEW MOBILITY PLAN WILL NEED TO HAVE THOSE STREETS ADDED.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE THERE FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY NEED TO BE THERE FROM A FIRE CODE PERSPECTIVE.
BUT IS THERE ALSO BENEFIT OF MAKING SURE THEY'RE ON THE THOROUGHFARE MAP, NOT JUST THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN? YES.
BECAUSE WE WANNA BE ABLE TO THOROUGHFARE.
AS PART OF, BECAUSE WE WANNA BE ABLE TO USE THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
WELL THEN TO, TO MUDDY THINGS UP FOR YOU, YOU WHERE YOU POINTED THAT THE SPINE ROAD ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO HERE OR HERE.
ULTIMATELY THE SPINE ROAD WILL NOT ALLOW THAT.
IT'LL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY SO EVERYBODY WOULD BE COMING DOWN.
SO WE'RE PUTTING
BECAUSE THIS IS A, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THIS IS A CONTROLLED MM-HMM.
SO FOR THE SO YOU GONNA HAVE A FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO FOR THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT, IT'S STILL GONNA ONLY BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S GONNA BUILD OUT, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT A CROSS OVER IN THE INTERIM PHASE.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO LEFT OR RIGHT.
INTERIM, WHEN THEY GET THE FULL BUILD OUT, WE WILL BE RESTRICTED TO RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT A, A CROSS A CROSSOVER AT THE, I DON'T THINK THE GRID ALLOWS FOR THE CROSS.
AND THEN GET IN THE LEFT LANE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE KIND OF TURN, LIKE YOU DO TURN, TURN IF WE COME DOWN HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT A A U-TURN.
SO YOU'LL EITHER COME DOWN HERE AND DO A U-TURN AND GO BACK UP OR YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND GET ONTO 1 32 AND GO UP DOWN.
WELL THERE WOULD ALSO BE THERE, THERE'S ALSO RAMPS AT 1 32 RIGHT? OR CLOSE TO 1 32.
YOU WANNA BUY MY HOUSE? NO, IT'S A, IT'S A U-TURN UNDER THE NO, NO, I'M SAYING AT THE ELEVATED IN THE FUTURE.
I SEE THAT THERE'S RAMPS SOMEWHERE AROUND 1 32.
WELL, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING RAMPS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE RAMPS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LIKE HERE AND HERE TO EXIT OFF OF.
I, I DON'T ELEVATED, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE LAST ULTIMATE SCHEMA THEY HAD HAD 'EM SOMEWHERE IN RIGHT HERE.
IT, IT MAY NOT, IT MAY NOT BE ALL THAT MANY WRAPS.
I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT, UH, TWO 90 BETWEEN I 35 AND ONE 30.
THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MANY RAMPS.
IT'S A LOT OF FRONTAGE ROAD AND A LOT OF UNDERCUTS AND U-TURNS.
I MEAN IN THE, IN THEIR ULTIMATE SCHEMA THAT WAS, IS AT LEAST ONLINE THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.
THEY HAVE AT LEASED, THEY HAVE TWO EXITS I BELIEVE BETWEEN, WELL IS THERE
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ANY WAY WE 16, 16 7 GET THE CITY OF HU REQUEST, SOUTHEAST LOOP PROPOSE RAMP LOCATIONS.I THINK THEY'RE ALREADY PASSED THEIR, IN THEIR DESIGN.
CAN WE GET, DO Y'ALL KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE RAMPS ARE.
AND YOU'RE SAYING WE DO KNOW WHERE THE RAMPS ARE.
I'M, I'M PULLING UP THE, THE, WELL, I'M NOT SAYING TO BE ANSWERED THIS SECOND, BUT, BUT YEAH, WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ON PLANS.
SO THIS ONE WE COULD ADD THAT TO THIS MAP AS WELL OR HAVE IT AS A SEPARATE, LIKE THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR ACCESS POINTS.
AND SO THAT, AND THEN I'M GLAD MATT, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT EVEN ADDS TO THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ISSUES.
LIKE THE, THE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING ICON, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RENAME, REPURPOSE THAT, WHATEVER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO, UH, OR CONTROLLED ACCESS POINT.
AND THAT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN WHY THE GRADE SEPARATED GOT ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS IT WAS JUST, HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE UNDER 45.
'CAUSE THEY, OR SORRY, NOT SOUTHEAST LOOP.
BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHERE 45 WAS OR OH MY GOODNESS.
IT'S LATE, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
AT SIX 80, THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS GONNA GO UNDER KINDA LIKE THE AW GRIMES INTERSECTION.
I'M, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS, I WAS GETTING THERE IN MY HEAD.
I SEE ONE AT LIER LOOP AND ONE 30.
I SEE ONE AT 79 AND ONE 30 AND I SEE ONE AT 6 85 AND ONE 30.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE LIMMER GOES UNDER ONE 30.
SO THAT WHAT YOU CALL IT WILCO EAST WILCO HIGHWAYS, EAST WILCO HIGHWAY NOT SELLING.
YEAH, THEY DID CHANGE IT NOW EAST WILCO HIGHWAY EAST.
WE, WE NEED TO START REFERRING TO IT BY ITS PROPER ABBREVIATION.
SO DO WE HAVE THE ON-RAMPS? MAYBE I'M MISSING IT.
BUT THE ON-RAMPS FOR 1 32 THAT FLY OVER? NO, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE YET.
THAT, THAT'S ONE THAT I SAID WE NEEDED TO PUT IN.
YEAH, WE NEED THE, THE GRADE SEPARATED CROSSING AT 79.
I'M JUST, FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND THAT GENERAL VICINITY, HEARING WHAT I HEARD, NOT JUST ME,
UM, GETTING THAT CLARIFIED WILL HELP I THINK.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS ADDING IN THE 2018 MASTER MOBILITY FOR THE MEGA SITE, ARE WE LOOKING THEN AT A MINOR ARTERIAL SAY CONNECTING FROM THE PROPOSED MINOR ARTERIAL, THE EASTERN MOST ONE UP TO THE 79 BADGE? IS THAT ROUGHLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OFF THE 2018? LIKE GOING THROUGH THE MEGA SIDE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, YEAH.
UH, THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION.
I DON'T THINK, WELL, SO WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS NEVER GONNA BE ANY CONNECTION TO 79 FROM THE MEGASITE.
WE WON'T GET ANY MORE RAILROAD CROSSINGS.
WAIT, ISN'T THERE ONE THERE? THOSE ARE CROSSING AT 33 49 AT 1 32? WELL, ISN'T THERE A CROSSING AT LIMMER LOOP? THERE'S ONE CLOSE TO THERE, BUT IT'S NOT PAVED.
BUT ISN'T THERE A CROSSING THERE? THERE IS, THERE'S LIKE A RESIDENTIAL FARM CROSSING.
THERE'S A SMALL DRIVEWAY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE, UM, THEY'D HAVE TO UPGRADE IT EVER AS A ACTUAL THOROUGHFARE CONNECTION.
WELL IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THEY'VE THROWN THREE INTERSECTION, UH, THREE SIGNALS ON 79.
WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL WITH CHANGING LIMMER LOOPS TO A FULL ON SIGNAL INSTEAD OF A FLASHY, YOU'RE TALKING JUST FROM THE NORTH TO MAKE LIMMER LOOP A THREE-LEGGED INTERSECTION? UH, NO, A FOUR, A FOUR-WAY AT THAT POINT.
SO HAVE IT CROSS 79 AND CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS MAINLY.
BUT RAILROAD WON'T GO FOR THAT.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THERE'S NO RE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF IT.
CORRECT? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF IT THOUGH.
BUT THEY WON'T EVER LET US IMPROVE IT TO ANYTHING EITHER.
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ANY PROBLEM.
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IT IS.I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LAW THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING BE THAT WAY ROAD OR DRIVEWAY, THAT CROSS CAN DO THAT RIGHT THERE ACROSS THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT, TEXMEX HAS BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS.
I THINK THE DRIVEWAY DOES THE RAILROAD TO IMPROVE THEIR IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE CROSSING.
EDC WEST SIDE OF ONE 30, DEFINITELY SAVE THAT DRIVEWAY CROSSES THE RAILROAD IF KEEP TELL 'EM NO.
AND THAT'S JUST, I KNOW THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT.
UHHUH
OKAY, SO, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, LOOKING AT SOME GOOGLE STUFF HERE, UH, COMMISSIONER MORRIS IS POINTING OUT WES OR EAST OF, IF YOU CONSIDERED EAST OF WHERE LIER LOOP USED TO HIT 79 YEAH.
EAST AND GO ABOUT ANOTHER THOUSAND YARDS EAST.
THERE IS A, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY LEADING THE FARM OVER THE TRACKS.
SO THAT'S WHAT MATT'S TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT RAILROAD IS NEVER GONNA ALLOW THEM TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN I KNOW THE LAST TIME CROSSING I TALKED TO ANYBODY AT THE RAILROAD, THEY ACTUALLY SAID THAT THEY CAN STOP PEOPLE IF THEY SEE THAT IT'S BEING USED MORE THAN IT WAS SUPPOSED.
LIKE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THEN THEY KNOW THAT LIKE, WELL IT WASN'T, IT'S NO LONGER A HOUSE OVER THERE.
THE ORIGINAL, WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR WAS HER HOUSE.
AND NOW WE'RE PUTTING OKAY, I I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT SAME KIND OF SITUATION RIGHT THERE WEST OF, UH, ONE 30 ON 79 WHERE IT'S A UNCONTROLLED UNGATED INTERSECTION, BUT HEAVY TRAFFIC CAN STILL GET IN AND OUT ONTO THE EXIT RAMP FROM 79 2 1 30, UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT.
IT'S LIKE HU BUSINESS PARK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, THE STORAGE CENTER THAT'S STILL ON THE ETJ STORAGE.
UH, THAT LEADS, RIGHT, THAT'S A BACK ROAD DOWN TO THE, UH, CEMENT PLANT AND SO ON.
THAT, THAT'S ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THE TEXMEX HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE RAILROAD TO APPROVE IMPROVING THAT TO ALLOW, IT'S A NETWORK BASICALLY TO BE A, A ROAD, AN ACTUAL ROAD.
I I WAS JUST KIND OF SPIT BALLING LIKE, HEY, IS THAT A, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US OUT ANYWHERE, THEN I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF DROP BACK 15 YARDS AND CHANGE THE MEGASITE STUFF TO LINK INTO 1 32 RATHER THAN GOING SOUTH AND TRYING TO GET ONTO EW
SO I, I PULLED UP THE SCHEMATIC AND FROM WHAT I CAN READ, UNLESS THEY CHANGE IT 15 TIMES SINCE THEN, SO THIS, THIS WILL BE A CROSSOVER AT THE ULTIMATE SCHEMATIC.
SO YOU CAN GET FROM FRONTAGE ROAD TO FRONTAGE ROAD, THERE WILL BE A RAMP ABOUT RIGHT HERE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GET ON TO THE ELEVATED ROADWAY.
SO ANY TRUCKS COMING HERE CAN GET ON THIS DIRECTION PRETTY EASILY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE GOING BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION, IF YOU U-TURN, THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD FOR NOT VERY LONG BEFORE YOU GET ON.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AN ISSUE HERE.
THE PART I WAS SAYING IS I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GET THESE OTHER WHATEVERS ADDED BACK IN 'CAUSE MM-HMM.
AND THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO LIKE, SEND TRUCKS DOWN ALL THESE OTHER PATHS.
SO, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION FOR THE MEGA SITE IS, WOULD WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NORTH SOUTH THAT OBVIOUSLY DO NOT CROSS 79 NOW? A COUPLE OF NORTH SOUTH COLLECTORS AND THEN A MINOR ARTERIAL RUNNING PARALLEL TO CONNECT INTO 1 32.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS ORIGINALLY ON THERE.
YOUR SPINE ROAD, YOUR SPINE ROAD IS GONNA BE YOUR ARTERIAL.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COLLECTOR THAT'S PARALLEL TO 79.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE ROUNDABOUT IS, I CAN'T REALLY SEE ROUGHLY HERE.
AND SO THE ROAD GOES UP AND CONNECTS TO THIS ROAD.
AND IT'LL COME DOWN AND CONNECT TO 1 32.
SO IT'S NOT CONNECTING AT THE TWO POINTS, THE COLLECTOR AND THE MINOR ARTERIAL, THE BLUE AND THE ORANGE, NORTH SOUTH KIND OF THIS.
BUT THERE'S THE BLUE, IT'S 1 34 I THINK.
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IN AT THOSE POINTS WE'RE CONNECTING IN ELSEWHERE.WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ORANGE ROAD IS.
BUT THE, THE ROUNDABOUT WAS STRATEGICALLY PLACED DURING THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE SPINE ROAD SO THAT WHEN IT GOES SOUTH TO 1 32 IT SPLITS THE PARCELS THAT WE DO NOT OWN.
SO THAT NEITHER ONE OF THOSE PARCELS HAVE TO GIVE US THE FLOOR RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT WAS STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROPORTIONATE FOR BOTH OF THOSE LANDOWNERS TO THE SOUTH OF US.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA LINE UP EXACTLY HERE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA LINE UP MORE THIS AREA.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING IS HOW IT'S ALIGNING BECAUSE THAT'LL IMPACT HOW WE PLOT OUT INTERSECTIONS ON 1 32.
SINCE IT IS 1 32 LOOKS TO BE LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY MAJOR BECAUSE IT DOES CONNECT FROM THE NORTH SOUTH 1 32 TO U YEAH.
THE, THE NEW THE NEW EAST WEST 1 32 IS PROPOSED TO BE A SIX LANE ROAD.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME CRAZY INTERSECTIONS IF, IF WE DON'T PLOP THIS OUT RIGHT.
DO YOU WANT THE, THAT PROPOSED? UM, I'M GONNA INTERSECTION.
NO, NOT THE BLUE ONE ABOVE IT.
SEE THAT THOSE LITTLE WHITE.HERE? YEP.
YOU KNOW HOW YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PARALLEL TO 79? YES.
SO IS THAT GONNA GO UNDERNEATH? YES.
1 32? WELL, CONSISTENTLY ACROSS TO ORIGINALLY.
ENCORE, NOT THIS CORNER PARCEL.
UH, THEY WENT THROUGH WILLIAMSON COUNTY, THEY DIDN'T TALK TO US.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A PLAN TO TAKE THIS ROAD UNDER THE OVERPASS AND ACROSS ALL THE WAY TO 33 49, ENCORE NOW OWNS THIS LAND ONE AND THEY DIDN'T ALLOW US ANY RIGHT AWAY.
YES, IT GOES NORTHBOUND EAST WEST AND THAT'S NOT QUITE USING ENCORE
WE DON'T WANT AS OUR POWER GOES OFF.
'CAUSE 1 32 GOES WE HAVE LET ZIG YEAH.
IT ZIGZAGS OVER TO 16 SIX THE BLUE RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO LIKE BELOW ENCORE AND OVER.
WE'RE JUST GONNA STOP THAT ROAD AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE SKY BOX IS BELOW ENCORE.
BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY LEVEL THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR DATA CENTER.
THEY SAID NO YOU CAN'T PUT A ROAD THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PROJECT.
I MEAN I DON'T, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S A PROBLEM BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA PUT THAT MEGA ROUNDABOUT LIKE YOU SAID, AND HAVE A FRONTAGE ROAD AND THEN A NOT A FRONTAGE ROAD, NOT BUDDING ROAD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
ESPECIALLY 1 32 REALLY IS A SIX LANE ROADWAY THAT'S GOING TO BUT INTO THE ON MAP, WHATEVER THE NEW NAME OF THIS THING IS.
GUYS, IT'S HARD TO HEAR BRIAN.
YEAH THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE THE THING THAT WE'VE STATED NUMEROUS TIMES FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
THEY JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IS GENERALLY ROUTING THE D CORRECT.
DIRECTION THAT IT CAN OBVIOUSLY USE 1 32 UM, AS WELL AS THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF 1 32.
UM, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CONTINUE, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN 1 99 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE THINGS THAT JUST HAVE TO BE CLARIFIED.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ARTERIALS THAT'S GONNA BE A COLLECTOR.
PERFECT EXAMPLE WHY IT'S HELPFUL THAT WE DO THIS VERY OFTEN BEFORE IT GETS A COMPLETE MESS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMPLETELY OUTTA HAND SET IT UP.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS ROADWAYS AND ROUTING IS I'M LOOKING AT 1660 NORTH KIND OF OUT BY THE NINTH GRADE CENTER AND HOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT REALIGNMENTS GOING ON THERE WITH I BELIEVE THAT CR ONE 10 AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, THE FAINT BLACK LINES OF THE CURVE RIGHT THERE AT THE JONAH WATER TOWER.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE RIGHT HERE?
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UH, YEP.AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT CURVES.
SORRY, IT'S THE ORANGE ONE, NOT THE BLUE ONE.
I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT HERE.
THAT ONE AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT.
I THINK ULTIMATELY THEY'RE JUST SAYING THE CURVES WOULD DISAPPEAR.
AND THESE WOULD BECOME INTERSECTIONS HERE.
THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING.
I JUST SWITCH IT JUST SO IT CAN GO TO A LARGER SCREEN.
OH MY, ARE ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE CURVES DISAPPEARING AND BECOMING FULL INTERSECTIONS? OR ARE THOSE AREN AS SOON AS YOU PRESENT, IT GOES BACK TO THE FRONT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INTENT WHEN THEY PUT THIS PLANNED TOGETHER, WAS TO ELIMINATE THOSE 90 DEGREE CURVES AND BRING THEM STRAIGHT IN TO CREATE INTERSECTIONS.
BECAUSE, UH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME WITH THE 1 32, 1 33 GOING THROUGH.
DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE WITH THE, WITH THAT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE AT THE WATER TOWER, THE JONAH WATER TOWER, THAT CURVE AROUND IT OR BY THE BUS BARN.
IT, SO AS YOU CURVE, YOU'RE HEADED NORTH AND THEN YOU CURVE AROUND.
BUT DIDN'T WE JUST DO A JONAH WATER STORAGE TANK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD? BY THE BUS BARN? YEAH.
AND WE SO I'M WONDERING IS THAT CAN ONLY APPROVE OF, IS AN INTERSECTION EVEN REALLY FEASIBLE THERE ANYMORE? WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOW? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE DOTTED BLUE LINE ONE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH? NO, THE DOTTED ORANGE ONE.
CONNECTING WITH THE DOTTED BLUE OR WITH THE SOLID BLUE.
I THINK THAT ONE'S FINE BECAUSE IF I'M TRYING TO SO THAT PINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE RIGHT HERE? IT'S RIGHT IN THE TRIANGLE.
THAT'S THE EXISTING THE TOWER.
THAT'S NOT EVEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS ROAD.
NO, THE TOWER'S LIKE THERE, THE BUS BARN'S LIKE HERE, THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS LOOPING.
NOT THERE THAT THEY'RE TELLING THEM TO DO THAT.
THERE'S A TOWER IN THAT CURVE.
OH, THAT ONE I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE OTHER NEW ONE.
THE NEW ONE IS JUST THE TOWER AND THE BUILDING ARE BOTH IN THAT CURVE.
WE JUST APPROVED A NEW TOWER WATER TANK.
AND THAT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.
THAT'S JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOWER.
WE'VE GOT THE GROUND STORAGE TANK.
I ROAD ACTUALLY IS ALREADY THERE.
BUT TURNING THAT INTO A BIGGER INTERSECTION IS I THINK GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE BECAUSE WATER HAVE WATER OF WATER STRUCTURE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO SWING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOU SEE ON HERE, JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS.
'CAUSE 1660 WOULD THEN HAVE TO ALIGN UP WITH COUNTY ROAD ONE 30.
SO YOU WOULD BE A PRETTY DECENT DISTANCE TO THE WEST OF THE EXISTING TOWER AND TANK.
SO WE'RE CURVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT ON THE, UM, ON THE ORANGE DOTTED, IT KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT SWINGS OUT TO THE LEFT.
BUT DOESN'T THAT KIND OF THEN DEFEAT THE PURPOSE? A GRADUAL TURN IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN A 90.
SMALLER SCUR VERSUS A SHARP 90 DEGREE CURVE.
I MEAN WE'RE TALKING IT'S A GOOD SEMICIRCLE.
THAT CORNER OF MY DOOR IS VERY SHARP.
BUT IT'S STILL BETTER TO HAVE AN INTERSECTION THAN A I I MEAN IT'S STILL BETTER TO HAVE AN INTERSECTION THAN A CURVE THOUGH, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'D PREFER? WE COULD HAVE INTERSECTION.
WELL, ON THE CURVE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO STRAIGHT TO, BUT IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GRAVEL ROAD AND IT GOES INTO 1 33.
THERE'S SOME OF IT YOU CAN DO.
I'M I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE ONE.
THE BLUE ONE IS A MUCH, MUCH SHARPER CURVE.
WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM EAST AND THEN YOU CURVE NORTH.
THIS ONE IS, BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE GOES BY THE NINTH GRADE CENTER AND IT'S GRADUAL.
IT'S, WELL I THINK IT'S JUST TO FIRM UP THOSE INTERSECTIONS THOUGH.
SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING THE ANGLED INTERSECTIONS.
YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS AS MUCH AS A 90 AS POSSIBLE.
UM, OR GETTING TO THAT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY.
'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GRADUAL TURN, ANY OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THERE GETS A LITTLE DICEY.
SO IF YOU CAN AB GET TO A 90 AND THEN JUST HAVE A FULL EAST WEST ROADWAY, IT'LL PROBABLY BE SAFER NOW.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING WHY ARE WE TRYING TO CONNECT, UM,
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THIS IS ONE 10, RIGHT? THE BLUE LINE ACROSS.AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE ORANGE SHORT CONNECTOR THAT'S ONE 30, THAT'S ONE.
SO THOSE, WHICH HAS AN INTERSECTION WITH CHANDLER RIGHT NOW.
IT'S AN EXISTING INTERSECTION.
UH, AND THAT'S RIGHT BY THE, UH, THE COUNTY RANGE AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, TRAILERS AND SOME, UH, SMALL, UH, FARMS WEST OF THAT.
SO RATHER THAN HAVING TWO INTERSECTIONS THERE, OH ONE, WHY NOT MAKE IT ONE? WHERE ARE THEY PUTTING TWO INTERSECTIONS? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 1660.
I JUST, I I LOOK AT THAT REAL ESTATE AND I KIND OF GO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA WORK.
I HAVE A, I I THINK THE INTENT WHEN THEY PUT THAT TOGETHER WAS NO MAKE IT WORK.
NOT ONLY TO ELIMINATE THE 90 DEGREE 1660 BEN, BUT THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE OFFSHOOT OF 1660 AND THE, THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN ONE 30 AND THAT OFFSHOOT MM-HMM.
WHICH DOESN'T MEET ANY OF OUR CRITERIA FOR INTER FOR OFFSET INTERSECTION SPACING ON A ROAD WITH THAT SPEED LIMIT.
AND SO IF YOU ELIMINATE THE CURVE AND YOU LINE UP THOSE INTER THOSE INTERSECTIONS ACROSS THE ROAD MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHY HE MAKES THE BIG BUCKS
YOU'RE SOLVING ALL THESE THINGS.
CAN WE HAVE THIS IF, IF IT'S A KNOWN ROAD, CHANDLER OR LIER LOOP, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT CAN THE CR ROAD NUMBERS BE PUT ON THIS MAP? YEAH, THEY WILL ON IN THE MOBILITY PLAN.
I KNOW WHERE ONE 30 IS 'CAUSE I DRIVE IT SOMETIMES.
BUT I THINK ON THE MOBILITY PLAN THEY WILL JUST, BECAUSE THEN THERE'LL BE LESS LAYERS ON HERE.
BUT ONCE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL, THIS IS JUST TO SAY, HEY, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? ABOUT THE SAME FONT AS FOR FOR 1660, IF YOU PUT THEIR JUST 1 3 0 RIGHT ABOVE IT OR CR 1 3 0.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE MUCH MORE LABELED IN THE INDIVIDUAL MOBILITY POINT MAPS.
THIS IS REALLY, I THINK THESE ARE ALL WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP AND IT JUST TAKES ME HALF THE TIME TO JUST FIND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN THE DISCUSSION IS KIND OF OVER, I'LL PUT THE SHAMELESS PLUG OUT FOR THE GIS SIDE.
THAT HEAD OF VIEW MAP HAS ALL OF THIS ON IT.
WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE JUST PULLED UP 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER.
I MEAN, UM, BUT SO COMMISSIONER STEWART, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LIMMER LOOP ONE 30 INTERSECTION A WHILE AGO? NO, THAT'S WHERE YOU SAW THAT.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THAT WAS AN UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE MARKS ON THE MAP BECAUSE IT'S A GRADE CROSSING GRADE OR IT'S A, UM, SEPARATE GRADE CROSSING.
SO I WANT TO THROW SOMETHING OUT AND SORRY, THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE THOROUGHFARE PART.
IT MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE CIP THING BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO THIS PIECE HERE AND HOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY GETTING THIS FRONTAGE WRITTEN IN AND ALL OF THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT THE STATE'S NOT DOING IT FOR HOW LONG? PROBABLY A VERY LONG TIME.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SERVICE ROAD ONE 30, THE FRONTAGE ROAD OR AN ACTUAL ADDITIONAL ACCESS? YEAH.
THE STATE HAS NO INTENTION PUTTING ACCESS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WANT, THEY WANT THE CITY AHEAD OF.
I THINK WHAT CAN ALLEVIATE THAT AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH ANY OF THIS.
ON THE WEST SIDE OF ONE 30, THERE IS ALREADY A TWO LANE ROAD.
UM, THAT IS ALREADY COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE.
MINUS ABOUT WHAT I MEASURED ABOUT 175 FEET.
SO OFF SOUTHBOUND ON THE WEST SIDE.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE THE SOLUTION COULD BE TO CONVERT THAT.
HOWEVER WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN TO A FRONTAGE ROAD THAT THEN CONNECTS DIRECTLY INTO OUR STUB OF THE, THE EXISTING FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND THEN YOU WOULD ALLEVIATE YOUR ISSUE FOR LIMBER LOOP.
ALL THE TRAFFIC CAN MOVE FROM THE SCHOOLS.
EVERYTHING UP THERE THAT NEEDS TO GO SOUTHBOUND ON ONE 30 MM-HMM.
SO THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF MONEY IF WE JUST DO THAT 175
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FOOT WORTH OF ROADWAY.AND I THINK THAT COULD POSSIBLY SOLVE WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP ABOUT LEER LOOP TO THEN WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ADDING IN AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT TO ONE 30.
UM, I DON'T, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE EAST SIDE, BUT YEAH.
IT, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE EAST SIDE OR THE NORTHBOUND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, COMING, COMING BACK FROM AUSTIN.
SO ARE YOU SAYING JUST FOREGO THE SERVICE ROAD ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE? UM, NO, I, I PERSONALLY THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE THERE SOMEDAY.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER IF IT'S, OH I DEFINITELY THINK IT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE.
DEFINITELY NEEDS TO GO IN THERE.
WHERE ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW? THIS IS LIMMER.
OH, THAT IS THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THIS IS WHY, BECAUSE I HAD THIS UP EARLIER.
THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T DO THE HU VIEW IS 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T, IT'S YEAH.
IT'S EASIER TO SEE IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, BUT IT'S MM-HMM.
SO THAT ROAD IS NOT EVEN SHOWING UP THOUGH.
THE ONE WITH THE MISSING 175 FEET.
WELL THAT ROAD'S NOT REALLY THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT THERE, THESE ARE OLD CARS LINES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ROAD THERE.
SO WHERE THIS OH NO, IT'S TECHNICALLY HERE.
IT'S RIGHT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS ONE 30.
IT'S A TWO WAY RIGHT NOW GOING TO ABOUT TWO FARMS AND THEN IT GOES YEAH.
RIGHT DOWN AND THEN IT GOES AND IT LITERALLY GOES, IF YOU KEEP GOING, IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN LABELED FRONTAGE ROAD, WHICH IS WRONG.
IT'S DUG PHIL'S, IT LITERALLY GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN EXCEPT FOR IT STOPS.
AND I THINK I MEASURED IT'S ABOUT 175 FEET YEAH.
BEFORE IT STUBS INTO WHERE OUR FRONTAGE ROAD STUFF IS.
IT'S TWO LINES, RIGHT? YEAH, IT IS TWO LANES.
SO IT ENDS ABOUT RIGHT THERE PAST THE LAST FARM.
SO IT'S LITERALLY JUST THERE TO, RIGHT HERE IS ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
AND THEN YOU JUST NEED TO OBVIOUSLY ASSESS THE EXISTING PIECE.
WHO, WHO OWNS THAT LAND? AVERY.
WHO? THE AVERY'S THE AVERY FAMILY.
SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS TRYING TO DO A SHORT TERM SOLUTION FOR THE WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE.
EAST, EAST SIDE IS DEFINITELY BIGGER, MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT I, I WILL, I WILL THROW OUT, I DON'T DRIVE THAT VERY MUCH.
BUT FOR THE EAST SIDE IS A FRONTAGE ROAD NEEDED VERSUS SOMEHOW SETTING UP INNOVATION TO BE LARGER THAT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
WELL, PART OF THE REASONS RIGHT NOW, IF, IF YOU'RE NORTHBOUND ONE 30 AND YOU WANT TO GO TO LUMBER LOOP,
GO STRAIGHT A THOUSAND FEET, GO GO NORTH A THOUSAND FEET, GO EAST A THOUSAND FEET, AND THEN GO UP ON INNOVATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, WE SHOULDN'T, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE ROUTE THAT WE HAVE OUR TRUCKING.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO CROSS AND THEN TAKE THIS LITTLE ACCESS.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE LITTLE ACCESS PLANE.
SO HOW, SO THE ONLY REASON I WOULD WANT TO HAVE A, A NORTHBOUND FRONTAGE ROAD IS TO BE ABLE FOR TRUCKS TO GO, OR VEHICLES TO GO NORTH OF 79 AND BE ABLE TO EXIT SOUTH OF LEER LOOP SO THEY CAN ACCESS THEM LOOP.
NOW THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL STUFF, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, UM, WEST OF THE COLLEGE.
SO YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE EVENTUALLY FRONTAGE ROAD JUST FOR COMMERCIAL AND, AND REVENUE.
BUT I THINK FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, HAVING ALL THE, I MEAN, YOU SEE THESE BIG 18 MILLION, I I TAKE THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME GOING AND COMING FROM, AND THERE ARE TONS OF BIG TRUCKS ON THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S, WELL THAT'S IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR A FISCAL, I THINK IT'S $8 MILLION IS TO, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
WE CAN, BECAUSE THIS AT SOME POINT IS SUPPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AS WELL.
WHAT IS THAT? I JUST GOT AN IDEA.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD JUST EXTEND IT ONLY TO THERE? YEAH, YOU CAN.
SO LET, IT'S GRAY OUT, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IF I SEE IT.
LET, LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION AND WE BUILD OUT ON THE WEST SIDE.
SO NOW YOU CAN GET FROM LIMMER TO 79 ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD GOING SOUTH, GOING SOUTHBOUND ONLY, UH, SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT OR, OH, SORRY.
OTHER WAY THIS PIECE CAN BE SHUT DOWN.
WE NO LONGER NEED THIS, WHICH MEANS WE CAN
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THEN ANGLE BECAUSE THIS ACCESS ROAD IS OURS.NO, BUT IT'S ON AVERY PROPERTY AND WE DON'T CONTROL THE PROPERTY ON OUR SIDE.
IF WE CAN GET THIS SO THAT IT IS BASICALLY AN EXIT RAMP ONTO INNOVATION.
INNOVATION DOES NOT GO DOWN TO 79 ANYMORE SOUTHBOUND BECAUSE THIS RAMP IS A MESS.
WELL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE GOING WEST ON 79 TO TURN NORTH ON INNOVATION, INNOVATION IS MINIMAL.
BUT DRIVE IT ALL THE TIME FOR RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE, THAT IS FINE.
HAVING THAT ABILITY IS GREAT, BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS HERE AND HERE PER 79 FROM THE NORTH NORTHBOUND, I MEAN SOUTHBOUND.
MY ONLY, MY ONLY WORRY THAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU HAVE STUFF THAT'S GONNA APPEAR HERE SOON.
SO THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IF ANY OF THEM WANT TO GO SOUTHBOUND MM-HMM AT ALL.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO EITHER GO ALL THE WAY UP TO LIMMER AND DOWN OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT ACROSS LIVE OAK OVER TO ALLIANCE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT FURTHER OR CUT THROUGH THIS ROAD, WHICH IS COMING IN.
OH, I GUESS I FORGOT ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT ROAD FOR ROAD, IS THAT THAT ROAD THAT'S PLOTTED? THAT'S THROUGH IRONWOOD, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S PLOTTED.
SO THAT ROAD'S COMING IN TO HERE.
WHAT'S THAT ROAD? UM, IT'S IN THE IRONMAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT, THAT'S I'M YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE DON'T NEED THIS IF WE GET THIS BUILT AND IT'S A CHEAP BUILD THAT'S ALREADY BUILT THOUGH.
HUH? THAT'S ALREADY BUILT ON THE EAST SIDE? NO, THE WEST SIDE.
I MEAN IT'S BUILT IF WE DO THAT LAST 175 FEET.
BUT THAT'S WHERE I THINK TO EVEN DO 175 FEET TO SEE WHAT HILL AND ROUND ROCK HAD TO DO TO BE ABLE TO GET A FRONTAGE ROAD CONNECTION OF ABOUT THAT LENGTH.
IT WAS A FEW MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE STUDY.
AND, AND THE NORTHBOUND EXTENSION WASN'T THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD THIS ROAD ALREADY BE ABLE TO.
IT'S BECAUSE OF FUTURE POLES THAT THEY'RE MISSING ON.
HAVE TO ALSO ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE, PUT THE CONNECTIONS.
CAN WE SCROLL THIS ADD AS WE SCROLL THIS DOWN? BRING IT DOWN A LITTLE, JUST THIS WAY, WAY, WAY.
I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT UP HERE.
THIS BUILD THAT WHERE LAMAR BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S, THAT JUST COST PFLUGERVILLE AND ROUND ROCK AND A JOINT AGREEMENT.
MILLIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE STUDY.
SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PAVEMENT COST CONSTRUCTION, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND FOR OFFSET OF POTENTIAL LOST REVENUE FOR THE TOLL AUTHORITY AND BANKS PAYING FOR THEM.
SO THE WAY IT WORKS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE TOLL AUTHORITY IS YOU PAY THEM TO DO A STUDY.
THE MONEY, ONCE YOU PAY THEM THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN YOU CAN GO DESIGN AND BUILD THE ROAD.
BUT THERE IS, THERE IS NO ACCESS, TOLL ACCESS FROM WIMMER.
SO WHAT THEY, HOW, HOW CAN THEY LOSE MONEY IF THERE IS NO ACCESS? BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET OFF AT LIMMER AND AVOID A NO, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ACCESS TO LIMMER.
THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO EXIT LIMMER NOW WHERE THE EXIT IS AND THEN COME DOWN THIS FRONTAGE ROAD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO EXIT AT 79.
THERE'S NO TOLL IT NO, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
IT'S BECAUSE, IT'S BECAUSE THE MAINLINE PLAZA IS ONLY ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF PER TRUE'S.
THAT SHOULDN'T CHANDLER, THERE'S NO TOLL FROM WHERE TO WHERE THERE'S NO TOLL.
THEY'LL DO IT ANYWAY FROM LIMMER 2 79.
HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THEM.
BECAUSE I KNOW I GET PED ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M THE ON THE WEST SIDE SOUTHBOUND OR THE INSIDE NORTHBOUND.
WHEN YOU TAKE OFF 30, THERE IS NO ENTRANCE RAMP.
ON THE OTHER IS THE, IS WHERE IS THAT? NORTH, RIGHT NORTH OF 79 THERE IS AN ENTRANCE RAMP AND RIGHT NORTH OF LIMMER THERE IS AN ENTRANCE RAMP.
NEITHER, NEITHER ONE OF THOSE ARE TOLD THERE'S AN EXIT RAMP.
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THERE'S AN EXIT RAMP TO LIMMER.TOMMER AN ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THERE IS NO TOLL FORCE PEOPLE TO, HERE'S AN ENTRANCE.
THE SERVICE ROAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WHEN THEY GO, HERE'S IT SOUTHBOUND.
NO, THERE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT WASN'T BUILT.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIDE CONVERSATIONS? JUST CHECK.
IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR MAPS AND YOU WANT TO MARK UP DOODLE, HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS, SEND THEM IN.
UM, I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET THEM TO THE CONSULTANT BY THE END OF THE WEEK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE THEY TOOK WHAT OUTTA THE FIRST ONE AND THEN I SAID, HEY, I'M GONNA HAVE ANOTHER UM, LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN GET ANY MORE INPUT OF JUST, HEY, THIS MAP, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, CAN WE TAKE THIS OFF THE NEXT ONES OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST SPLIT APART AND THEN IT MAKES SENSE TO SHOW THE CROSSINGS AND ARE THOSE AT GRADE OR UM, ELEVATED THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT UM, STAFF HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED AS FAR AS PUTTING IN THE 2018 MOBILITY PLAN.
UM, STREETS AROUND THE MEGA SITE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ADD IN THE SPINE ROAD, DO DO SOME OF THAT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, CERTAINLY LET US KNOW.
SO I, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
THIS ISN'T UH, REGARDING THE TOLL ROAD OR FRONTAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BETWEEN 6 85 AND 1660 AND 1 37 INTERSECTION.
THERE IS A PARTIAL ROAD ON HERE.
I KNOW IT LEADS TO SOME FARMLAND AND SO ON CAPS, NO, NO NOT CAPS.
UM, 16 60 16 85 AND OR 6 85 AND 1660 SOUTH.
6 85 AND 1660 SOUTH 1660 SOUTH.
JUST RUNNING PARALLEL TO THOSE ARE PARALLEL.
CAN WE SLIDE THIS DOWN A LITTLE? SO WAIT, UP OR DOWN? DOWN.
UH, WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT ME TO GO? 6 85 AND SIX.
SO HERE'S THE HU LUTHERAN CEMETERY.
HERE'S THE HUDDLE CEMETERY SIERRA.
IS THERE ANY WAY, 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR THOROUGHFARE MAP MM-HMM
THERE'S A BIG LACK OF ANY EAST WEST CONNECTIVITY IN THAT AREA.
I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND BECAUSE AT THE END OF THAT, UM, HERE I CAN SHOW YOU, I CAN ACTUALLY POINT SO AT THE END OF HERE, AND MATT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION IS.
SO UNTIL THE ENCLAVE LIFT STATION IS GONE, I DON'T THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
WELL, WELL MY, UNDER MY UNDERSTANDING OF ONE OF THE MAPS YEARS AGO THEY DID SHOW THAT BEING PUSHED THROUGH AND TO TO UH, ONE 30.
I COULD SEE THEY HAD, THEY HAD ACTUALLY YEAH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, TURNING IT INTO, I REMEMBER RIGHT A SMALL, IT CAME LIKE THIS AND THEN IT CAME DOWN LIKE THAT.
I REMEMBER THERE THE ONLY ONE I REMEMBER THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THAT WAS OVER HERE WHERE IT COMES THROUGH.
AND THERE USED TO BE A STREET SHOWN THAT CAME THROUGH 'CAUSE THERE'S NORMAN ELEMENTARY AND IT CAME THROUGH HERE AND IT CAME DOWN AND THERE WAS SOME OF THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THESE LITTLE WHITE LINES, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK SETH TO ACTUALLY UPDATE THAT 'CAUSE MY OLD EYES CAN BARELY SEE THAT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S A LITTLE LINE HERE WHERE IT COMES THROUGH.
UHHUH OVER HERE OR THERE WAS THE IDEA OF IT COMING THROUGH HERE AND THERE IS THAT FUTURE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW THAT'S SHOWN AND PLANNED.
THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS NOW THE NARROW.
SO WE KNOW THIS CONNECTION WON'T HAPPEN.
THIS CONNECTION WILL LIKELY COME DOWN HERE.
UM, AND THEN IT MAY BE ABLE TO GET OVER HERE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
AND THEN THIS ONE WOULD BE THE SAME.
BUT THIS ONE THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DEVELOP BEFORE WE KNOW HOW THAT ALL IS GONNA.
AND AND WHAT I WAS SAYING IS CR 1 35 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT REQUIRES ANY BRIDGING.
I THINK IT'S THE ENCLAVE LIST STATION.
AND IT'S TWO, THESE ARE BOTH HERE.
UM, THIS IS A CUL-DE-SAC AND THIS IS A CUL-DE-SAC.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE A, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW LIKE, HEY, YOU COULD ACTUALLY CONNECT.
IT MAY NOT BE THE WORST THING BUT YEAH WE CAN, I THINK, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE PUT THE LOOP DOWN INSTEAD OF DOING THAT.
AND, AND THAT WAY WE'VE GOT SOME THINK THAT'S REALLY PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENS.
SOME OF, I REMEMBER SEEING A MAP SHOWING THAT.
WELL AND IT ALSO COULD BE THAT WHERE THIS IS IN 16.
SO WHAT IS THE NEW PLAN THERE? BECAUSE,
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'CAUSE IF THIS CAN'T GO THROUGH ANYMORE 'CAUSE OF THE NARROWS.WHAT IS THIS HAS TO BE CHOPPED THEN.
SO WHAT IS THE IDEA TO CONNECT THIS INTO SOMETHING? IT GOES INTO THIS OTHER WHITE LINE DOWN HERE, BUT THEN THIS WILL BE HERE.
NO, BUT IT COULD COME BACK AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING THIS LINE MIGHT ACTUALLY TURN INTO THIS STREET INSTEAD.
AND THE ONLY PROBLEM I WOULD SEE UP HERE FOR 1 35 IS WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH 1660.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, TRYING TO MAKE THE GOOD CONNECTIONS.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY HAD SOME ROADS THAT I KNOW I'VE MARKED OFF OF MY OWN COPY OF THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN OF THINGS THAT WE KNEW CHANGED THAT WE KNEW WASN'T, THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA GET.
I MEAN THIS, THIS ONE THAT UH, GOES THROUGH THE NARROWS IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF BROOKLYN'S AND THEN OFF TO THE EAST SOMEWHERE AND IT'S LIKE, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING THERE.
NO, I KNOW WE'VE GOT ONE HERE THAT GOES THROUGH AND IT'S CALLED UM, HERITAGE MILL NORTH AND SOUTH AND IT'S BISECTED PARTLY BY THE SOUTHEAST LOOP.
UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A CONNECTION THROUGH HERE, BUT I THINK THEY ACTUALLY END UP MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER NORTH AT BROOKLYN'S, UM, IS WHERE WE HAD THEM LINE UP.
'CAUSE BROOKLYN'S DEFINITELY DOESN'T HAVE STREETS OR HOUSES FRONTING ON IT.
SO IT MADE MORE OF A CONNECTION THERE.
AND THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT GENERAL STILL, BUT WE CERTAINLY DID STILL TRY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION INTO THIS ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S EAST OF THE BROOKLYNS.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT, JUST LOOKING AT THE, AT THE MAP THERE'S KIND OF THE BIG AREA AROUND THE MEGA SITE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY THROUGH.
ANY COLLECTORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN THOSE TWO AREAS EAST AND WEST OF 1 37 DON'T HAVE ANY.
LEMME SEE IF THIS MAKES IT EAST WEST CONNECTOR DOESN'T REALLY MAKE IT BETTER.
BUT YOU CAN SEE
SO I'M GONNA ASK SETH TO CHANGE THOSE.
SO WHILE YOU'VE GOT THAT THERE MM-HMM.
YEAH, BECAUSE THIS, I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY WANT ANOTHER ROAD ON, BASICALLY YOU DON'T WANNA SURROUND THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH ROADS ON FOUR SIDES.
AND DOESN'T, DOESN'T ONE OF 'EM, UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING YEAH.
THE PREVIOUS ONE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS DUMPING INTO CASSANDRA, WHICH ALREADY HAS TRAFFIC ISSUES.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I KNOW THAT THERE, THIS IS A DEAD END RIGHT NOW.
AND SO MAYBE THAT ONE WOULD, BUT THE GRADE CHANGE ON THOSE IS GONNA BE, THAT'S INTENSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO TURN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE YEAH.
ACTUALLY WHAT'S THE RED? THE RED IS UM, COMMERCIAL ISH COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER.
SO IT'S MORE OF WHERE YOU CAN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
SO YOU HAVE THE MYRIAD OF COMMERCIAL.
SO ASHLEY, ARE WE CONSIDERING THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BY THE ISD FOR LIKE THEIR ELEMENTARY NUMBER NINE MM-HMM.
AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, OR SORRY, THE COUNTY WE'RE WORKING WITH, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ISD TO TRY, IF WE'RE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER TO TRY TO NOT HAVE THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS OR SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ADJACENT TO A LARGER THAN COLLECTOR.
WE REALLY WANT EXACTLY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, SHELTERED JUST BECAUSE OF, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF WALKERS, IF IT'S INTERNAL TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS A SAFE WALKING ENVIRONMENT, UM, AND YOU HAVE LESS CONFLICTS.
SO THAT'S STUFF THAT WE END UP DISCUSSING WITH THE ISD OF, HEY, THIS IS WHERE THIS HOUSE GONNA GO.
I KNOW IN ONE OF THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS, THEY ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE DONATED THE PROPERTY.
SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S LIKELY GOING TO BE A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OUT THERE, BUT IT'S ON A COLLECTOR, IT'S ON A HILL.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, SO CERTAINLY TRYING TO KEEP ANY SCHOOLS OFF OF THE ARTERIALS UNLESS IT'S MORE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PLANNED ACCORDINGLY.
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE DRIVERS, YOU HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.
UM, ARE WE ABLE TO INDICATE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIKE SOME, ON SOME OF THE MAPS WE HAVE LIKE FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL MM-HMM.
CAN WE ALSO INDICATE THE FUTURE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR
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LIKE ELEMENTARY NUMBER NINE.THAT'S UM, BECAUSE THAT ONE'S UP AT THE, THAT ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIRD DISTRICT.
OH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE RIGHT MAP.
IT'S UM, ISN'T THAT UP AT 1660 NORTH, 1660 SOUTH IS WHERE I REMEM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UM, MR. GIDEON WAS INDICATING IT WOULD BE NOT THE WASTEWATER.
UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SOUTH.
IT'S LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
MAYBE NOT NECESS NECESSARILY LIKE RIGHT THERE, BUT LIKE CLOSER IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY THAN I KNOW WE HAVE ONE COMING IN HERE.
WHERE'S THAT? THIS IS THE 1660 SOUTH.
SO WE'VE GOT, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE COMING IN.
YOU'LL SEE THAT AT THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THIS MONTH.
UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE PRIOR TO UM, EVERYBODY NEEDING TO BE OUT FOR SPRING BREAK.
SO WE'RE LIKE, LET'S JUST GOT IT.
GET IN AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE DO KNOW OF THE ONE THAT'S IN THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT.
WHERE'S THAT? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I WANNA SAY THAT COULD BE IT HERE.
AND THERE IS ONE DOWN THERE AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS DONATED.
THEY'RE COMING IN AS THE LAKESIDE MUD THAT WAS APPROVED.
AND SO THEY'VE GOT ONE THERE AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IN THEIR OVERALL MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED OR YOU KNOW, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT WITH THAT MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT HEY, WE'RE GONNA CITE A SCHOOL AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THIS MAIN ROADWAY.
UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE NEXT TWO I KNOW ABOUT.
I KNOW THAT WE HAD ONE MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE WORKING ON.
UM, IT'S ONE THAT I KNOW P AND Z HAS SEEN, BUT IT MAY PREDATE YOU A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT WAS PART OF THE STROMBERG TRACT, WHICH I WANNA SAY IS THIS ONE FOR MOST OF IT BECAUSE IT'S CARL STERN COMES ACROSS, I BELIEVE IT IS THIS ONE.
AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT AN INTERNAL, MAYBE THAT COULD BE A SCHOOL SITE.
THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANY FINAL DETERMINATIONS OR WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR ANYTHING.
BUT THERE WERE PRELIMINARY TALKS OF, MAYBE THERE'D BE ONE MORE OUT HERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT, PART OF THE LENNAR BUILD.
UM, LENNAR, I KNEW THAT LENNAR WAS LOOKING OUT HERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT ALL OF THAT ORANGE IS FOR UM, FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS, BUT NOT THE TRADITIONAL ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.
YOU CAN MIX IN SOME SMALLER RETAIL COMMERCIAL.
AND SO PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WE DO LIKE A SCHOOL, BUT MAYBE NOT TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT AN EXTRA BIG BOX.
BUT MAYBE IF IT WAS A WALKABLE RETAIL AREA.
UM, KIND OF, IF YOU THINK OF STEINER RANCH AND SOME OF THAT WHERE THEY HAVE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF YEAH.
WITH THE WAY IT WAS MASTERPLAN.
IT'D BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY HAVE THE SCHOOLS BUT THEY HAVE ALSO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN JUST POP ACROSS THE STREET FOR A CUP OF COFFEE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE 1 37 IN FRONT OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL TYPE SITUATION.
A HUNDRED PERCENT IF WE CAN AVOID IT.
AND SOME OF THOSE JUST PREDATE EVEN ANY OF THE CITY'S MASTER PLANNING.
AND IT WAS JUST WHERE COULD THE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN THAT WAS DONE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ONE PREDATES, MAYBE IT DOES BECAUSE IT WAS THE CO IT WAS THE UM, MULTIFAMILY THAT WAS JUST NORTH OF FARLEY ON ONE OF THE FIRST FUTURE LAND USE MAPS I COULD FIND.
THAT AREA, WHICH IS NOW MULTIFAMILY WAS ACTUALLY ZONE FOUR.
IT WAS AN EDC PROJECT AND THEY DID IT AS INDUSTRIAL.
AND I'M LIKE, BUT THERE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND SO THAT WAS A PRETTY EASY SELL OF INDUSTRIAL.
IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY BUT IT WAS ZONE COMMERCIAL.
AND SO WHEN IT CAME IN IT WAS MAYBE WE JUST CHANGE THIS OVER TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT'S A MUCH BETTER NEIGHBOR FOR AN EXISTING SCHOOL.
SO WHERE WE'RE SEEING THOSE, WE'RE TRYING NOT, NOT TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES BUT ALSO LEARNING FROM THE PAST AND SAYING MAYBE THIS IS WHERE WE CHANGE THE LAND USE AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE CITED AND WE GET WITH DEVELOPERS AND THE ISD EARLY ON TO SAY WHERE MIGHT ELSE YOU NEED A SCHOOL AND HOW CAN WE ASSIST.
UM, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE DOWN SOUTH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ONE MAP QUESTION.
WE'VE GOT A VERY TIGHT BLACK OR GRAY DOTTED LINE.
WHAT IS THAT COUNTY LINE? THAT'S COUNTY LINE.
AND THEN DID DO, DID WE NOT TRADE E-T-G-E-T-J LAND WITH PFLUGERVILLE? MM-HMM.
IS THAT SHOWN HERE? I BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T HAVE A MOUTH TONIGHT SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE I CAN'T ONE, ONE, THE OTHER SEVEN THAT ARE UP HERE GIVE YOU MINE.
UM, YES IT IS BECAUSE IT WAS OVER HERE WITH OVER HERE.
SO THAT, THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR ON THIS MAP.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT UH, OLD
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ETJ LINES.NO, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN UPDATED BACK WHEN THAT HAPPENED I THINK TWO YEARS AGO.
BECAUSE IT WAS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR ONE OF THEM OVER IN THIS AREA AND IT WAS JUST A COMPLETE SWAP.
BUT I KNOW IT WAS UM, THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT I WAS TALKING TO TO SEE IF HE WOULD BE OKAY 'CAUSE HE WAS IN OUR ETJ OF GOING TO PFLUGERVILLE INSTEAD AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CAPTURING THAT CORRECTLY.
SO THE LAST PIECE I'LL BRING UP AND THEN I'LL BE DONE I THINK IS SO THE WHOLE DREADED ONE 30 GATIS SCHOOL AREA.
I KNOW THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY SOLID SOLUTION.
AND I KNOW MATT, YOU MENTIONED THAT AT LEAST FOR THE SOUTHEAST LOOP OR EAST WILCO HIGHWAY, THEY'RE AT LEAST PUTTING FLYOVER RAMPS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP THE LOCAL TRAFFIC AROUND THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY, THERE'S NO BIG PLANS I THINK THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO ADD THAT CAN PROBABLY ALLEVIATE THAT.
UM, SO MY QUESTION I THINK WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE NORTH OF THAT.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE I DO WANNA POINT OUT, I KNOW THAT THIS AFFECTS HU RESIDENTS.
THIS IS NOT EVEN OUR N OUR ETJ MM-HMM.
I KNOW THIS IS ALL VILLES ETJ.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE'RE KIND OF, WE HAVE TO TRY.
I THINK KATZ IS THE DIVIDING LINE, ISN'T IT? YEP.
HERE THAT WHOLE AREA IS A MESS BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NOW PRETTY MUCH DEVELOPED.
HEB WAS NOT EVEN HOW MUCH FURTHER NORTH.
NO, IT'S, SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST, I WAS READING THIS AND I THINK IT MIGHT ALLEVIATE IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ON HERE STAR RANCH IS SUPPOSED TO EXTEND IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE WAY TO THE KIND OF NORTHEAST, ALL THE WAY TO ONE 10.
AROUND, YEAH, RIGHT AROUND THERE LIKE TRADE WINDS UP HERE.
IS THAT STILL GOING TO STAY AND HAPPEN? UM, THE LAST I HAVE SPOKEN TO ANYBODY WITH STAR RANCH, THEY WERE STILL, THEY'RE STILL HOPEFUL THAT THAT'S ALSO GONNA HAPPEN, BUT THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD, THAT IT WOULD NEED TO CROSS.
SO ULTIMATELY, UM, THAT I BELIEVE IS STILL THE ULTIMATE PLAN EVEN FOR STAR BRANCH THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF PLANNED.
AND THERE IS THAT LIGHT HERE, UM, THAT YOU COULD TECHNICALLY, YOU COULD STILL SWING THROUGH.
WELL THAT PART OF THAT PART OF THAT ROAD RIGHT UP THERE, IT'S CALLED STAR RANCH.
BECAUSE I KNOW IT LINKS UP I THINK WITH TRADE ONES ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AS FAR AS I KNOW AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PLATS COME IN ON ANYTHING OR ANY OTHER CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK THE LAST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT IN DISCUSSION IT WAS PROBABLY 18 MONTHS AGO MINIMUM.
I MEAN IT'S STILL ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO IDEALLY SHOULD, I THINK WE'RE STILL HELPFUL.
I MEAN I KNOW I BELIEVE WE STOPPED ACROSS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME BRIDGE JUST BECAUSE YOU WOULD GET VERY CLOSE TO BRUSHY CREEK AND HAVE TO EXPAND OVER THERE FOR WHAT THAT ROADWAY IS.
UM, BUT YEAH, EVENTUALLY THAT IS THE PLAN.
'CAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW IT JUST, EVERYTHING ENDS HERE AND THEN THIS IS WHERE IT'S GONNA COME THROUGH.
NO, I WAS JUST, I'M FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYTHING, I THINK THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE HEADACHE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE GET SCHOOL AREA.
JUST TO HAVE ANOTHER EGRESS POINT TO KIND OF THE NORTHWEST.
INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ACROSS THE VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.
IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, PLEASE UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, JUST SEND THOSE IN AND UM, LET ME KNOW ESPECIALLY JUST IN BULLET POINTS OF HEY, HERE'S JUST AN OVERALL IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE THAT WOULD HELP TOO.
JUST SO WE CAN GIVE THOSE OVER.
AND OF COURSE IF WE GET DUPLICATES WE'LL JUST REMOVE DUPLICATES FOR YOU.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
I HONESTLY DON'T HAVE UH, TOO MUCH FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE.
THAT COULD BE AT THE SATURDAY.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE COMING OUT OF COUNCIL AFTER THAT SATURDAY UH, WORK SESSION THAT WAS DONE WITH THE BOARDS.
I KNOW ANGELA WAS SAYING THAT SHE WAS GONNA WORK ON THE MINUTES FROM THAT SO WE CAN SHARE THOSE OUT AND WHAT THE OVERALL WAS UM, THAT CAME OUT FROM THERE.
I THINK IT WAS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THEN OTHERWISE I THINK THE NEXT TIME THAT WE GET TOGETHER WE DO NOTE WE SECURED A QUORUM FOR FEBRUARY 20TH FOR A SPECIAL CALL.
UM, WE HAD TWO SUVS THAT CAME IN RIGHT ON THE CUSP AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THOSE OVER.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS FOR THE ISD, UM, TO GET THOSE THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE UH, SPRING BREAK SO THAT WE KNOW THE ISD HAS THEIR MARCHING ORDERS.
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BOUND BY SCHOOL TIMELINES AND THEIR BONDS AND THINGS.SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR APPROVAL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ONE AT THE NORTH SIDE.
IT'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMING IN, UM, AT THAT FAR NORTH 1660 NORTH SITE.
UM, OTHERWISE I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE TOO MUCH FOR YOU EXCEPT FOR JUST STAY TUNED.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA START SITTING OUT STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS THAT WILL BE VIRTUAL FOR THE UDC, UM, SIMILAR TO HOW WE DID A LOT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEN, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL AS C-I-C-C-I-A-C AGENDAS.
UM, SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE A LOT OF EMAILS AND I DID KNOW THERE WAS ONE COMMISSIONER I BELIEVE THAT WAS NOT GETTING YOUR EMAILS.
COMMISSIONER MORRIS, WAS THAT YOU? WHAT WAS, WERE NOT GETTING EMAILS, BUT NOW YOU DO MR. OR NO WAS YEAH.
DO YOU, ARE YOU GOOD? I'M, I'M GETTING THEM.
UM, I WAS LIKE, I KNOW IT WAS ONE OF TWO.
WELL I THINK I WAS, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE CONVERSATION ON, I DIDN'T SEE ONE ON FRIDAY.
BUT I THINK ON, I MAY HAVE SAID THAT ON AT THAT SATURDAY MEETING.
I MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT BUT, AND SO, UM, I THINK I'M GETTING ON MY MEETING MY, MY EMAIL.
AND THEN I DO KNOW, UM, JUST AS AN UPDATE, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THE CITY CALENDAR THAT'S ONLINE.
UM, I DID CHECK MY STAFF DOES KNOW HOW TO UPDATE THAT NOW.
SO YOU WILL ALSO BE SEEING A FEW MORE THINGS GO ON THERE.
SO AS WE HAVE SPECIAL CALLED AS WE HAVE CIAC, WE'LL UM, ALSO BE TRYING TO ADD THOSE TO THAT CALENDAR AS QUICKLY.
SO THAT'S THE CITY IAL CALENDAR, CORRECT? YEAH, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
OH, THAT SHOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THOSE ON THERE.
I THINK WE DO HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THERE, WHICH WAS NEW 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM ON THERE FOR A WHILE.
SO, UM, TRYING TO ALSO KEEP THAT UPDATED JUST 'CAUSE AS WE'RE SAYING.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
UM, WE DID HAVE, UM, ONE OF OUR DEVELOPERS LIKE, ARE YOU SURE IT'S NOT ON THE CALENDAR? I'M LIKE, IT'S PENDING.
BUT YES, I CAN PROMISE YOU WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MEETING.
UM, SO I GUESS PEOPLE JUST SEE YOU ON THE 20TH AND JUST DON'T FORGET, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE HERE ON THE 20TH.
UM, BILL, I, I DO HAVE ONE, ONE THING FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE.
UM, IF YOU NEED A LINK, UM, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE CAN ALWAYS HELP.
UM, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR DIRECT LINE, JUST DROP ME YOUR ANGEL A LINE AND WE'LL GET YOU IN TOUCH AND CC THEM ON THAT FOR YOU.
SO I WILL ALSO NOT BE HERE ON THE 20TH.
I'M HAVING A PROCEDURE THAT DAY.
AND I MAY NOT BE HERE ON THE FIFTH EITHER, DEPENDING UPON RECOVERY.
SO, OH, I NEVER GOT THE EMAIL ON THE 20TH.
'CAUSE I WILL NOT BE HERE ON THE 20TH EITHER.
LIKE WE, THAT'S, WE JUST MET HOPEFULLY, UM, WHAT WE HAD.
AND I WILL ALSO NOT WAS, AND I WILL ALSO NOT BE FIFTH, JUST I'LL BE, I HAVE SURGERY AND IF WE HAVE TO END UP PUSHING IT, WE'LL PUSH IT.
WE ARE NOT POSTPONE SURGERY, SIR.
WE WILL POSTPONE A MEETING BEFORE WE POSTPONE SURGERY.
MEDICAL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CITY MEETING.
LIVING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ZONING.
WHAT LIVING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ZONING? I SAID IT
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:54 PM AND.