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IT IS 7:00 PM[Planning and Zoning on March 5, 2024.]
SO WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.IT IS TUESDAY, FEBRUARY THE SIXTH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM OKAY.
COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR HUDSON.
AND I AM SUSANNA BOYER, THE CHAIR, AND I AM HERE.
DO WE HAVE, OH, GOING TO THE RIGHT AGENDA HERE.
UH, DO WE HAVE, OKAY, I JUST REALIZED I READ THE WRONG DATE.
SO I'M CORRECTING MYSELF AT 7:00 PM OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT? WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7:01 PM DO WE, Y'ALL SIGNED, SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ASHLEY? NO.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7:01 PM ITEM NUMBER FOUR 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024.
HAVE Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024? I KNOW THAT ITEM 5.2 WE ARE MISSING WHICH COMMISSIONERS MADE THE MOTION, SO WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO CORRECT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I THINK, UH, MAY I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ON 5.4 WE'RE DISCUSSION OF THE MOBILITY PLAN MAP, IT SAYS TRANSCRIPT ADDED TO MINUTES.
UH, WE TALKED THAT MAYBE THAT WAS WHAT WAS GIVEN BACK TO THE, THE CONSULTANTS ALREADY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES? NO, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SENT OVER TO THE CONSULTANTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 6TH MEETING.
SECOND, I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
WITH THE CORRECTION OF, UH, 5.252.
UM, WHEN NEEDING THE, WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO SECONDED IT.
AND SO COMMISSIONER WETZ MADE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
AND WAS THAT YOU RICK? THAT UH, OH, IT, IT WAS COMMISSIONER MORRIS THAT SECONDED THAT MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MA'AM, MAY I MAKE A MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT ORDER, BUT I THOUGHT AT THE FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING, WHICH I DIDN'T BRING MY NOTES, BUT THAT WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE POSTPONED OR LEFT OPEN MM-HMM,
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THIS, UM, HIPPO PARTNER LI SO IT IS FOUR TWO AND FOUR FOUR.
OKAY, ITEM 4.2, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HIPPO PARTNER LI HIPPO MEGASITE.
PRELIMINARY PLAT 52.57 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED SOUTH OF US, 79 AND APPROXIMATELY 0.3 MILES WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 33 49.
UM, AS YOU STATED, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF US 79 AND FM 33 49.
AND IT IS JUST OVER 50, UH, 52 ACRES, AND IT WILL BE ALONG THE FUTURE, UH, ROADWAY THAT THE EDC IS CONSTRUCTING IN
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THAT AREA THAT THE GROUNDBREAKING OCCURRED A FEW, UM, ABOUT A FEW WEEKS AGO.SO IT'S JUST TO CREATE THIS ONE LARGE PRELIM.
UM, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A SINGLE LEGAL LOT.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS POSTPONED TO THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION BECAUSE FOR A SINGLE LEGAL LOT, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH TO LOOK AT RIGHT NOW.
WE KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE ON A NEW ROADWAY, BUT ONCE WE GET INTO SITE PLANNING, IT WILL BE REVISITED AT THAT POINT AS THE UDC ALLOWS.
UM, AND THAT IS WHERE, SINCE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR THAT TIA OF EITHER 100 PEAK TRIPS OR 2000 TRIPS A DAY, UM, THEY DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE TIA, BUT WE WILL BE REVISITING IT WITH EVERY SUBSEQUENT STAGE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE SITE DOES TAKE ACCESS FROM THE FUTURE MEGA SITE, EAST WEST ARTERIAL SPINE ROAD.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON, UM, YOUR SCREEN HERE.
AND THAT ROADWAY, AGAIN, IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY ALONG WITH THE EXTENSIONS FOR WATER, WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT STREET.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THAT WE'RE SEEING COME IN ALONG THAT MEGASITE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, PROPERTY ISN'T DUAL CCN BETWEEN CITY OF HATO AND JONAH.
SO WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THIS AGREEMENT ALLOWS HATO TO PROVIDE THE WATER SERVICES, UM, WITH A LOCATION AND THE INTENDED USE OF INDUSTRIAL.
IF IT HAD GONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN A JONAH WATER CUSTOMER.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, THE LAST ON THE ITEM THAT WE ALWAYS TELL YOU ABOUT IS THE PARKLAND.
SO THAT WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THE FEE IN LIE, AND THAT NUMBER IS IN THERE.
SO IT'S JUST OVER 51,000 AND THAT WAS SIGNED OFF BY THE PARKS DIRECTOR.
UM, SO THE LAST IS JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOCK CLOCK BILL OR THE REDO OF IT FOR 36 99 WAS NOT VOLUNTARILY WAIVED.
UM, THIS WAS PRE, UH, PREVIOUSLY DENIED BY THIS GROUP, AND NOW IT HAD BEEN BACK RESUBMITTED AND IT MEETS THE, UM, ALL THE PLATING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED.
SO WITH THAT AND THAT IT DOES MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE STAFF, UM, REQUESTS APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND THIS IS THE ITEM THAT HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LAST, AND IT WAS HELD OPEN BECAUSE NOT BY STATE LAW, BUT BY OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, PRELIMINARY PLATS DO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN.
OH, IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY OPEN.
OH, IT'S ALREADY, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IS THERE ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK TO THIS MO TO THIS ITEM? NOPE.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN AT 7:08 PM ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE TRAFFIC.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE FUTURE ITERATIONS OF THIS TOPIC.
UM, SO FOR NOW AS IT'S PRESENTED, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH IT CURRENTLY.
IF WE CAN BOUNCE BACK TO THE, UH, MAP.
SO HOW IS ACCESS TO THE SITE GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED? THAT WILL BE THROUGH THAT SPINE ROAD THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY UNDER, IT'S UNDER UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY KNOW, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE, THEY'RE FULLY IN WITH THE EDC ON THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY E-D-E-D-C OWNED A PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF SELLING.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THE SPINE ROAD IS A PART OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.
SO THEY ARE AWARE THAT THEY WILL NOT BE, UM, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THEIR FULL ACCESS UNTIL, THAT'S FINE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CUT ACROSS THE FIELD AND CROSS THE TRACKS AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
WE KNOW AS FAR AS WE KNOW
IS THIS SITE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT OR IS, OR UTILIZING THAT THERE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT? SO FOR WHAT WE KNOW NOW, I COULDN'T HONESTLY ANSWER IF THEY WERE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THERE.
UM, THAT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.
BUT I WILL SAY WITH HOW COUNSEL THEN ENDED UP APPROVING THAT, UM, ANYTHING FOR LI IF IT WAS GOING TO BE, UM, A DATA CENTER THAT WOULD HAVE TO STILL COMPLY WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICITY THAT'S REQUIRED, WANTING TO KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, EITHER ON ONSITE OR OFFSITE, UM, INCREASED ENCORE, UM, CAPABILITIES, THINGS
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LIKE THAT.SO THEY DID, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A FULL WAVING, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT P AND Z HAD KIND OF BEEN LIKE, HOW CAN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERSIGHT? SO THERE IS THAT, UM, THE ONLY THING THAT THIS COULD DO BY RIGHT, IS TAKE ADVANTAGE, UM, OR USE THAT NEW HEIGHT.
SO INSTEAD OF AT 40 FEET, THEY COULD GO UP TO 60 FEET.
AND BEING THAT THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE ONE-TO-ONE.
BUT THAT SAID, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN IS, UM, THIS HAD BEEN PLANNED AS, YOU KNOW, WE LEVELING CALL THE MEGASITE SINCE YEAH, WELL PRIOR TO 2015.
I, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE SURROUNDING AREA AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, ARE ARE, IS THIS ONE OF THE 60 FOOTERS OR, OR NOT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED LI IT COULD TAKE, UM, IT COULD DO THE 60 FEET BY RIGHT.
BUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT AS FAR AS A DATA CENTER WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROCESS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
THAT WOULD BE FOR ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS, NOT JUST DATA CENTERS.
IF THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE A PARTICULAR HEIGHT, SO MANUFACTURING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THEY COULD GO UP TO 60 FEET AND IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ALLOWED THAT MU UH, I THINK UP TO 120 FEET WAS ONLY FOUR DATA CENTERS.
SO WE COULDN'T SAY, WELL, BUT THIS IS MANUFACTURING, COULD WE USE IT? NO.
UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO, I WOULD SEE LIKELY DISCUSS.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IF ANYBODY WANTS A MUCH LARGER HEIGHT IS THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO COME THROUGH WITH A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SHOW THE TRADE-OFFS, UM, OR SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UNLESS IT WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PRIOR TO ANNEXATION WHERE THEY CAN STILL SECURE SOME OF THEIR COUNTY.
UM, SORRY, LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
WHERE THEY COULD STILL GET SOME OF THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE COUNTY, UM, PRIOR TO ANNEXING PROVIDED TO THEM, UM, WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, I GUESS I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING HEIGHT.
UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED JUST WEST OF THE DELL CAMPUS? NO'S ACTUALLY ON THE DELL CAMPUS YOU CAN SEE IT FROM, UH, SH 45.
NO, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU KNEW THE HEIGHT OF THAT.
'CAUSE THAT BUILDING LOOKS LIKE AN AIRCRAFT HANGER.
NO, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOME DIGGING, BUT IF IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE OUR BLINDERS ON AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH OUR WORK.
I JUST CURIOUS IF MAYBE YOU KNEW WHAT IT WAS.
'CAUSE THAT IS A HUGE BUILDING AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS FROM THE WEST SIDE.
SO NORTH OF OVER ON THE OLD CAMPUS SIDE, LIKE NORTH OF DEL WAY OR JUST OFF OF 45? JUST NORTH OF, JUST NORTH OF DEL WAY.
AND ON THE WEST SIDE, CLOSE TO THE HOTEL AND THE GOTCHA GAS STATION.
I'LL TAKE, YEAH, IF I SAY ANYTHING, I'LL LET YOU KNOW INFORMALLY.
YEAH, JUST, JUST CURIOUS HOW, HOW BIG THAT OR HOW TALL THAT WAS.
JUST SO THAT, HEY, THERE'S A VISUAL EXAMPLE WE CAN GIVE PEOPLE.
IF IT'S 57 FEET, THAT'S HOW BIG IT'S GONNA BE, OR TALL.
THAT LOWER ROAD, AND I THINK YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT IS THE SPINE ROAD, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS TRANSACTING THE PROPERTY OR IF IT'S ON SOUTH END OF IT.
AND DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY TO 1 32? UH, NO.
SO IT CAN'T GO EAST, I MEAN WEST.
IT GOES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST THAN THIS PROPERTY, BUT IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY.
IT DIDN'T FEED INTO, YOU KNOW, 1 32.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 4.2.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, IS THAT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR APPROVE? APPROVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 4.2 AS PRESENTED.
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I HEARD YOU FIRST.UH, VICE CHAIR HUDSON HAS MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE 4.2 AND COMMISSIONER STEWART HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION AS PRESENTED.
ANY OPPOSED? SAY NO HEARING NONE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ALSO THREE MIGRAINES IN THE BACK ON THIS ON 4.1.
ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HIPPO PARTNER LI HU MEGASITE, FINAL PLAT 52.57 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED SOUTH OF US 79 AND APPROXIMATELY 0.30 MILES WEST OF COUNTY ROAD 33 49.
SECOND VERSE IS PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME AS THE FIRST HERE WE GO.
SO THIS IS JUST OVER 52 ACRES AT THE, UH, SOUTHWEST, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF S 79 AND FM 33 49.
THE ACCESS FOR THIS PLAT WILL ALSO BE TAKEN DIRECTLY OFF OF THE SPINE ROAD.
THIS MIRRORS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BY THE SAME NAME ON THIS AGENDA.
UM, SO AGAIN, TIA WILL BE LOOKED AT ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUAL USERS ARE GOING TO BE, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT A SINGLE LOT DOES NOT MEET THE A HUNDRED PEAK TRIPS OR 200 TRIPS A DAY.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S STILL NOT SPLIT CCN, BUT BECAUSE IT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THIS AREA.
THE FEE AND LIE WILL SATISFY ALL PARKLAND REQUIREMENTS.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCHEMATIC, UM, THE SMALL PORTION OF THE SPINE ROAD THAT JUST TOUCHES THAT SMALL LITTLE AREA.
IT IS REALLY IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO, UM, WE KNOW THAT IT'S COMING IN AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THESE, UM, GREAT THINGS COMING UP AROUND IT.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY THAT YOU WILL END UP SEEING IN THIS AREA.
SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF REVIEW THE APPLICATION FOR CONSISTENCY WITH UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT COMPLIES AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT.
AND THE ONLY CONDITION THAT WE HAD IS JUST IF ANYTHING WERE TO GET MESSED UP ON THE AGENDA THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THAT PRELIM APPROVED FIRST.
AND SINCE THAT HAS HAPPENED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON IT? ACTUALLY, YES.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UH, FOR MATT.
ARE WHERE IS, I'VE, I'VE HEARD IT DISCUSSED ABOUT, UH, KIND OF A CENTRALIZED DRAINING DETENTION POND.
IS THIS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT OR ARE THEY DOING THEIRS SEPARATELY? THEY
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THIS.
UH, IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR THE TIA AND SO DOES IT, DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF BALLPARK OF WHEN THAT TIA WILL BE DONE? UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE SCHEDULE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT TO HOLD IT HARD AND FAST BY ANY MEANS AND, AND ASSUMING THAT'S ALL BEING COORDINATED SO THAT EVERYTHING'S COMING TOGETHER WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT OF THE, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL TRANSPORTATIONS THEIR VEHICLES AND THEN THE SCHEDULE FOR THE TIA.
SO HAS THAT COORDINATED WELL? SO INTERNALLY WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS IF THEY DON'T MEET THE THRESHOLD AT PRELIM AND FINAL AND YOU'RE NOT MEETING THAT THRESHOLD WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR PLATTING THE CODE RIGHT NOW AS IT READS, THEN WE STILL GET TO SAY, OKAY, BUT DOES IT MEET THE THRESHOLD WHEN YOU'RE GONNA COME IN FOR SITE PLAN ONCE YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE A SINGLE LOT DEVELOPMENT? IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET 'EM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA MEET THAT THRESHOLD.
IT COULD, BUT IF IT'S ONE SINGLE USER, IT MAY NOT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE, SO WE MAY NEVER HAVE A TIA HA.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO FOR 53.
I'M SAYING IT MAYBE TWO OR THREE DAYS DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING IN A 12 MONTH TIMEFRAME.
UM, I'LL LET MATT ANSWER FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU.
NO, I THINK THIS ONE'S HARD AND FAST TO, SO THIS IS A MORE MOTIVATED DEVELOPER, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT HANGS OUT THERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I THINK WHAT WE'LL END UP SEEING IS THAT THEY KNOW WHO
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THEY'RE GONNA BE MARKETING TO, WHAT THEY THINK IS ACTUALLY GONNA GO ON SITE AND THEN THEY'LL START SCOPING WITH ME.SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEY DO NOT MEET THE THRESHOLD FOR THE TIA PER THE UDC, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS IS A GREEN TRUE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER STUFF HAPPENING IN THE AREA, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING IN THE AREA.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A SCOPING MEETING BETWEEN US, THE DEVELOPER AND TXDOT.
AND SO THEY'LL BE SUBMITTING THE, THEY'RE NOT DOING A TIA BECAUSE WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO, BUT THEY ARE DOING A TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS REPORT FOR US.
AND THEY ARE SUBMITTING THAT TO BOTH US AND TXDOT SO THAT WE CAN BOTH REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL OF OUR CONCERNS ADDRESSED.
MOSTLY BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW IS GONNA BE DIRECTED AT 33 49, WHICH IS A TXDOT ROAD.
AND THEN FROM THERE IT'S GONNA GET EITHER PUSHED UP ONTO 79, WHICH IS A TXDOT ROAD, OR IT'S GONNA PUT US ONTO 1 32, WHICH IS GONNA BE OUR ROAD.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COORDINATED BETWEEN THE TWO GOVERNING ENTITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSING ALL OF OUR CONCERNS.
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THAT ANALYSIS FROM THEM? UM, WE SHOULD BE GETTING IT PRETTY SOON FOR FIRST REVIEW.
A SCHEDULE FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COMMITTED TO A TIMEFRAME OR ANYTHING.
WHEN YOU SHE SAYS ANALYSIS, YOU MEAN REPORT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING ANALYSIS.
THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A TRANSPORTATION IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS REPORT IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.
AND THAT WAS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER TXDOT AND THE CITY OF HU.
WELL THE DEVELOPER IS DOING IT, BUT WE SCOPED IT AS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN THE TXDOT OFFICE AND MY OFFICE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.3.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 4.3 AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON ON 4.3 TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WETZ.
NO, I HAVE A, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND I'M SORRY, I JUST THOUGHT OF A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD ASK IT BEFORE WE YES.
ISN'T THE DISCUSSION, SORRY GUYS DISCUSSION.
BUT IT SAYS THAT THE AGREEMENT ALLOWS HUDDLE TO PROVIDE WATER SERVICE WITH THE LOCATION, UM, AND THE INTENDED INDUSTRIAL USE.
SO HOW ARE WE ACCOUNTING FOR THAT? UM, THE WATER SERVICE, WE'RE COMMITTING TO DOING IT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT TYPE OF AS LIKE, UM, COMPANY IS GOING IN THERE.
RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER IS GOING IN? SO THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THEIR SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST AND THEY HAD TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING, WHICH IS ALL WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
AND SO THEY MADE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON WHO THEIR PREFERRED TENANTS WOULD BE AND THEN THEY PUT THAT INTO THEIR SER BASED ON THOSE LUE NUMBERS.
UM, SORRY, SER SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST.
JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGINEER
AND THEY, SO THAT'S HOW WE RAN THEIR, THEIR REPORT IS BASED ON THAT, THOSE ASSUMPTIONS 'CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THEIR FINAL TENANTS ARE, BUT THEY KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO THEIR TARGET IS.
AND SO THEY'RE BASING EVERYTHING ON THAT BASED ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN OTHER AREAS.
SO DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, LIKE IS THIS FLUID, LIKE IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE OR NOT AUDIENCE BUT TARGET LIKE ESTABLISHMENT LIKE AND THEN WE SAY LIKE, WHOA, WE CAN'T AS A HU WITH OUR WASTEWATER AS IT IS, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
LIKE IF WE SAY YES TO THIS BEFORE THAT TENANT COMES IN, COULD WE AS A CITY FIND OURSELVES TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE NEEDING TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO? SO I'LL, I'LL LET ASHLEY GET INTO THIS SPECIFICS OF A MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT.
BUT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT WHEN THEY CAME TO THE CITY AND SAID WE WANNA BE A PART OF THE CITY AND WE WANT THIS PROJECT AND WE AGREED TO THEIR SER THAT WE AGREED ONLY TO WHAT WAS IN THE SER.
SO IF THEY EXCEED THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE CHANGING THINGS
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ON YOU.AND THEN WE GET TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO FROM THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT STUCK ESSENTIALLY WITH, OKAY, IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE GET FROM THEM AS A MAXIMUM AND THEN WE SAY YES, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
OKAY, BASED ON THAT FULL SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST REVIEW.
AND IF IT CAME BACK HIGHER, THEN WE GET, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IF IT COMES BACK LOWER, THAT'S MORE OF JUST FIELD UM, WORK THAT WE DO.
NOT TRULY IN THE FIELD, BUT WE DO END UP LOOKING BACK AND SAYING, OKAY, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THIS MANY LUE IN THIS AREA.
HERE'S WHERE THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY CAME OUT, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF LUE WE KNOW.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN START TO RIGHT SIZE SOME OF THOSE AREAS AS WELL.
SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS OF THIS IS WHAT WE THINK COULD HAPPEN, HERE'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S HIGHER, SOMETIMES IT'S LOWER BASED ON WHAT OUR GROWTH PATTERNS HAVE BEEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK BETWEEN WHAT'S OUR GROWTH RATE, WHAT ARE WE DOING ON THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND HOW DO YOU FILTER THOSE OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE STILL GOOD.
UM, AND THAT WE'RE STILL TRACKING ALONG WITH THOSE UM, MASTER PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED AS WELL.
IS IT, I GUESS KIND OF DOVETAILING ONTO THAT THEN, IS IF A PROJECT COMES IN UNDER THE LUE ESTIMATION FROM THE SER, DOES THAT KIND OF GO BACK INTO THE LUE BANK FOR THE CITY ONCE YOU GUYS MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT? MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THEN WE CAN RIGHTSIZE AND WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE GROUND 'CAUSE YOU KIND OF PLAN FOR WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND IT IS THAT THE HIGHEST, MOST INTENSE USE THAT THEY COULD HAVE.
AND THEN ONCE WE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE PROJECT COMES IN AT AND WHAT THEIR LUE NUMBERS FILTER OUT TO BE, THEN WE KNOW, OKAY WELL WE ESTIMATED, LET'S SAY IT WAS GONNA BE A HUNDRED, IT REALLY CAME IN AT 62.
WELL WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE THERE THEN AND WE CAN ACTUALLY UM, BUILD THAT BACK INTO THE MODELING.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED MY QUESTION.
THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION'S FOR.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WELL WE WERE ABOUT TO VOTE AND IT DAWNED ON ME ACTUALLY THE DISCUSSION.
SO ON 4.3 WE HAVE THE VICE CHAIR COMM, VICE CHAIR HUDSON MADE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT 4.3 AS PRESENTED AND COMMISSIONER WIRTZ SECONDED THAT.
ANY OPPOSED? SAY NO HEARING NONE.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
I ONLY HAVE ONE THING FOR YOU.
UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT WE INADVERTENTLY LEFT AN ITEM THAT WE HAD NOTICED OFF THIS AGENDA.
UM, AND SO THAT WILL BE RENO AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH.
IT'S CERTAINLY, WE NOTICED IT, WE STARTED SEEING SOME THINGS AND I'M LIKE, WHY AM I SEEING THIS ONE? I DIDN'T THINK THIS ONE HAD GONE OUT YET.
AND WE STARTED GETTING, UM, RESPONSES BACK AND I WAS JUST LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS.
WHAT DID WE MISS? I WILL SAY WE HAVE HAD A FEW, UM, STAFF PEOPLE OUT.
SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COVER WITH A SMALL TEAM.
UM, I THINK TODAY I WAS DOWN TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE TODAY.
SO, UM, WE ARE CERTAINLY RUNNING WITH A SKELETON CREW, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW IF THAT, UM, WE DID REALIZE THAT UH, WE HAD MADE A MISTAKE.
SO WE WILL BE RE NOTICING AND WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.
THE APPLICANT IS AWARE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY SLOWING DOWN THE PROJECT, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT DID OCCUR.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU GO THROUGH AS PART OF MY MEMORY ISSUES OR A DHD, UM, A LITTLE LIKE THE NEXT TWO TO SIX WEEKS SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE HAVING? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A SATURDAY WORKSHOP.
THAT MAY BE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, MASTER PLAN.
BUT IT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE BESIDES THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST AND THIRD POSSIBLY THURSDAY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE UDC FOR WE HAVE A BUILDING IN STANDARDS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT UH, I KNOW NEXT WEEK WE SHOULD HAVE THE OPEN HOUSE THAT IS GOING OUT? NO, I GOT PUSHED TO THE 20TH.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
WE'LL YOU'LL SEE MORE ON THAT ONE.
YOU'LL HAVE THE 20TH AND I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IS STILL ON THE 23RD OF RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I KNOW FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
NO, THAT'S JUST, YEAH, I JUST, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW CERTAINLY 'CAUSE YEAH 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BUILDING AND STANDARDS.
IF THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADDED TO THE CITY CALENDAR, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT DOES GET ADDED TO FOR YOU.
UM, I WOULD SAY JUST KEEP THAT CITY CALENDAR IN MIND BECAUSE THE BUDGET CALENDAR, I BELIEVE MIGHT BE UPDATED SOMEWHAT JUST TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE CIP BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANNA BE HERE TILL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
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JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A FEW MORE MEETINGS TO LOOK AT THAT.AND THEN AS WE HAVE UDC OPEN HOUSES FOR SOME OF THE OTHER MASTER PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'LL GET THOSE ON YOUR RADAR AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO BRING UP THAT ICON.
I MEAN ON THE CITY CALENDAR I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT AND IT'S GETTING, IT'S ALMOST 90% ACCURATE NOW.
THE THING IS IS THOUGH YOU CAN ONLY SEPARATE THE LIBRARY INDIVIDUALLY OR ALL.
AND, BUT, AND YOU CAN DO HPD INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF YOU WANT ALL THE COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, ALL OF THEM, YOU GET HPD.
SO I MEAN I RECOMMEND THAT IT'S ONLY PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR, TWO OR THREE THINGS A MONTH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SOME TRAINING OR YOU KNOW, UM, INVESTIGATIVE TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I RECOMMEND PUTTING THAT IN, YOU KNOW, INTO YOUR OWN GOOGLE OR OUTLOOK CALENDAR OR YEAH, FOR SURE.
AND THAT, AND THEN ALSO KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE A BRAND NEW CLASS OF HOW DOES, UM, HOW DO CITIZENS UNIVERSITY AS WELL OCCURRING RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT ALSO SEE EXTRA CARS OUT FRONT IS THAT IT'S, IT IS ALSO TONIGHT.
WHEN WE HAD THAT SATURDAY SESSION WHERE ALL THE BOARDS MET, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEETING AND TALKING TOGETHER.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GONNA BE SCHEDULED AND WHEN AND WHAT GROUPS AND ALL OF THAT.
LIKE WHAT'S THE ACTION ITEM FOLLOW UP FROM THAT? UM, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THE ONE, ONLY THE BOARDS THAT I'M, UM, THAT I HELP COORDINATE, THOSE ARE THE ONES I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION ON.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME OTHERS.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE, I'LL SEE IF THERE'S AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING THAT CAN GO OUT JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE.
I KNOW FOR, UM, THIS GROUP IT'S MORE ABOUT WHEN WILL WE NOT BE COMPETING WITH OTHER GROUPS NEED TO BE IN THIS ROOM AND THEN, UM, ALSO NOT COMPETING WITH WHEN THE PARKS BOARD NEEDS TO MEET AND, AND JUST, IT'S REALLY ABOUT FINDING DATES AT THIS POINT, UM, FOR SOME OF THE JOINT MEETINGS FOR P AND Z.
I THINK COUNCILMAN OR THORNTON HAD COINED THE CROSS POLLINIZATION BETWEEN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE LIKE WE WANNA MAKE SURE, BUT THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A BUSY CIP COMING UP.
HOW DO WE FIT THAT IN AND NOT HAVE YOU HERE SIX TIMES IN ONE MONTH? UM, STILL TRYING TO GET THAT QUORUM SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME MEANINGFUL BUSINESS AS WELL.
BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED JUST GETTING AN UPDATE ON.
IT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO, TO HAVE THE REASSURANCE THAT IT WASN'T FORGOTTEN.
SO NO, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT WAS NOT FORGOTTEN ON THE CITY SIDE AND WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THIS TWO TO SIX WEEK WINDOW AND PLANNING OUR PEOPLE GOT KIDS IN SPRING BREAK AND THAT CAN FLOAT AROUND DEPENDING ON WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT YOU'RE IN.
I MEAN, WELL NOT THIS TRUE, BUT, UH, YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT SCHOOLS ARE, I DUNNO IF THEY DO 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, BUT YEAH, CERTAINLY.
AND, UH, WE CAN GET YOU A SMALL UPDATE ON THAT AS WELL.
HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YOU STOLE MY THUNDER ON THE, THE SATURDAY MEETINGS, SO I'M LIKE, SORRY.
UH, LET'S SEE, HOW DID I GET THE LAST WORD TONIGHT? AN INVITATION.
WE'RE WE'RE ON NUMBER SIX NOW,
UH, YEAH, I I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF UH, IF WE'VE GOT ANY SORT OF, UH, CERTIFIC TAKE 45 MINUTES PROVIDED FROM THE CONTRACTORS FOR THE UDC REWRITE.
I KNOW THAT ON THE STAFF SIDE WE JUST SAW ONE OF THE VERY FIRST, SO WE'RE ON TRACK ON THAT.
UM, I WILL BE SENDING OUT AFTER THEY MAKE THOSE UPDATES, I'LL BE SENDING THEM BACK OUT BECAUSE A LOT OF IT WAS JUST HOW DO YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR DEFINITIONS POTENTIALLY COLLAPSED BECAUSE WE HAD THINGS THAT JUST DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE OF LIKE, CAN WE JUST RED LINE ALL THIS? I'M LIKE, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE DON'T NEED TO DEFINE, UM, EVERYTHING ON THE SUN BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DEFINING ALMOST EVERYTHING, THEN IT GETS TO THE POINT, WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU DEFINE THIS ONE THING? SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN.
ONCE I SEE THOSE COME BACK, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WILL START IN EARNEST WITH, HERE'S THE VERY FIRST BLUSH, HERE'S EVERYTHING.
UM, SO WE ARE STILL WORKING INTERNALLY.
WE JUST HAVEN'T NEEDED TO, UM, GROUP ANYBODY IN.
CERTAINLY IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT IS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN THEIR FIELD, THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AND THEY MIGHT WANNA BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS JUST AS A STAKEHOLDER PASS THAT INFORMATION ALONG.
I KNOW, UM, I'VE BEEN COLLECTING THEM A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.
UM, LIKELY GOING TO INVITE THE CHAMBER AND A FEW OTHERS.
JUST, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END WHEN WE DO HAVE THAT LARGE OPEN HOUSE OF JUST, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND, AND WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, 'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE DON'T LIKE THE UDC, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT IS TO DEFINE WHAT WE DO WANT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO SET THIS UP FOR IS NOT JUST TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT WE DON'T WANT.
IT'S REALLY JUST TO SET THE FRAMEWORK UP TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, THIS IS HOW WE WANNA GROW AND THIS IS WHY.
AND IT, AND IT POINTS BACK TO STRATEGIC PLANS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA SPEND THE BULK OF TIME.
SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT MIGHT WANNA BE INVOLVED ON, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE FOR LANDSCAPING, UM, AND A FEW OTHERS.
IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ELSE, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THIS, IF THERE'S A ROUGH SCHEDULE
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THEN YOU KNOW, THAT WE GET PROVIDED SURE.THEN THAT'LL HELP WITH THAT RECRUITING EFFORT OF SURE.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE, IT IS VERY ROUGH, BUT IT KIND OF JUST GOES OUT OF LIKE WHAT STAGE WE'RE IN.
UM, I CAN SEND THAT OUT WHEN I SEND OUT THE SEPARATE EMAIL JUST TO KEEP YOU GUYS IN THE LOOP.
WELL IF I HEAR NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7:35 PM.