Mar 07, 2024 City Council

[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]

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WE ARE CALLING THE MEETING FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2024 TO

ORDER. STARTING WITH ROLLCALL. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT. >> HERE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> HERE.. IF YOU WILL RISE.

>> LET'S PRAY. OH LORD YOU HAVE SEARCHED ME AND YOU KNOW ME. YOU KNOW WHEN I SIT DOWN AND RISE UP. YOU DISCERN MY THOUGHTS FROM AFAR. YOU SEARCH OUT MY PATH AND LYING DOWN AND YOU ARE ACQUAINTED WITH ALL OF MY WAYS. EVEN BEFORE A WORD IS ON MY TONGUE WE HOLD, OH LORD, YOU KNOW IT ALL. YOU LAY YOUR HAND UPON ME. SUCH KNOWLEDGE IS TOO WONDERFUL FOR ME. IT IS HIGH AND I CANNOT ATTAIN IT. WHERE SHALL I GO FROM YOUR SPIRIT? WHERE CAN I FLEE FROM YOUR PRESENCE? IF I ASCEND TO HEAVEN, YOU ARE THERE. IF I MAKE MY BED IN DEATH, YOU ARE THERE. IF I TAKE THE WINGS OF THE MORNING AND DWELL IN THE UTTERMOST PART OF THE SEA, EVEN THERE YOUR HAND SHALL GUIDE ME, YOUR HAND SHALL HOLD ME. IF I SAY SURELY THE DARKNESS SHALL COVER ME IN THE LIGHT SHOULD BE AS NIGHT, EVEN THE DARKNESS IS NOT DARK TO YOU. THE NIGHT IS AS BRIGHT AS DAY, FOR DARKNESS IS AS LIGHT FOR YOU. FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT THOSE WORDS ARE AS TRUE TODAY AS THEY WERE WHEN THE -- WROTE THEM 3000 YEARS AGO. IT IS TRUE FOR ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS ROOM, MEN AND WOMEN AND BOYS AND GIRLS IN THE CITY. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY, THE CITY OF HUTTO, FOR THOSE HERE THAT SERVE IT SO FAITHFULLY. LORD, I PRAY TODAY THAT THEY WOULD SENSE, THE MEN AND WOMEN ON OUR COUNCIL, OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY MANAGER, GOD, THAT THEY SINCE YOUR NEARNESS AND KINDNESS AND YOUR BLESSING WOULD BE ON THEM. THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEIR MARRIAGES, THEIR FRIENDSHIPS, THEIR FAMILIES.

GOD, THAT YOU WOULD LIFT THEM UP AND FILL THEM WITH THE WISDOM THEY NEED TO GUIDE US AND OUR CITY. FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN HERE WHO COME WANTING ANSWERS, AND OTHERS JUST TO PRESENT, I PRAY THAT YOUR BLESSING WOULD BE UPON THEM TODAY AS WELL. THAT THEY WOULD SENSE YOUR NEARNESS AND LOVE AND THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THESE WORDS I READ TODAY ARE FOR THEM. AND THEY MATTER TO YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS IN JESUS

NAME. AMEN. >> AMEN.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

[5.1. Women's History Month Proclamation]

THAT WISH TO JOIN US IN PROCLAIMING.

>> MAY I ASK CITY STAFF WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO COME UP HERE FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

CAN I ASK ANY COMMISSIONERS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. AND WE ALREADY HAVE OUR WONDERFUL COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. AND ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP HERE FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH PROCLAMATION, WE INVITE YOU AT THIS TIME. THANKS RECOGNIZING WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. WHEREAS AMERICAN WOMEN FROM ALL RACES, CLASSES, AND ETHNICITIES HAVE MADE HISTORIC CONCRETIONS TO THE ECONOMIC, CULTURAL, SPIRITUAL, AND POLITICAL LIFE THAT STRENGTHEN OUR NATION. OFTEN IN THE FACE OF DISCRIMINATION AND HARDSHIP. WHEREAS COURAGEOUS WOMEN HAVE MARCHED FOR AND WON THE RIGHT TO VOTE, CAMPAIGNED AGAINST

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RESIDES IN THE CITY OF HUTTO DIGNITY, EQUALITY, AND RIGHTS.

BLOCKING THE ANTENNA. HIGHER. OKAY. THANKS.

WOMEN'S ALLIANCE HERE. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?

>> THANK YOU FOR LETTING US BE PART OF THIS. WE ARE THE WOMEN'S ALLIANCE IN OUR MISSION IS EMPOWERING WOMEN THROUGH COMMUNITY. WE STARTED IN 2016, AND JUST A GOOD WAY FOR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER AND GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. ALL OF US HAVE KEY WOMEN THAT HAVE CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF OUR LIFE. WE WANT TO GET BACK IN THAT WAY.

ONE OF OUR BIG EVENTS FOR SCHOLARSHIP FUNDRAISER FOR HUTTO ISD IS THE HIPPO TACO STAMPEDE. IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT WITH YOUR FAMILY, AND WALK OR RUN, OR INTERESTED IN THE COMING A SPONSOR, PLEASE LET US KNOW. YOU CAN FIND THE EVENT ON FACEBOOK. IS A FUN EVENT AND ALL PROCEEDS GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL INVITING US.

>> THANK YOU.

[5.2. Freedom of Information Day - March 16, 2024]

RECOGNIZING FREEDOM OF INFORMATION DAY. WHEREAS A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF THE GOVERNMENT IS AT A WELL-INFORMED CITIZEN TO TAKE PART IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT SET THE PRESENT AND FUTURE COURSE OF THE CITY, STATE, AND NATION. WHEREAS THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT WAS PROPOSED BY DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN JOHN MOSS, WHO BELIEVED THAT PERMIT SECRECY COULD END IN AN DICTATORSHIP AND ARGUED THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDED DECISION MAKING PROCESSES IN ORDER -- PARTICULARLY ELECTED OFFICIALS. IN 1966 PRESIDENT JOHNSON SIGNED THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT INTO LAW. AND WE CELEBRATE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION DAY ON MARCH 16TH

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OUR FOURTH PRESIDENT AND ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL FIGURES IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. AND WHEREAS MADISON ELOQUENTLY EXPRESSED THE GUARANTEES AND BILL OF RIGHTS, PARTICULARLY THE FREEDOMS OF RELIGION, SPEECH, AND PRESS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT. AND BELIEVE THROUGH THE INTERACTION OF THE GOVERNMENT AND CITIZENS, FACILITATED BY A FREE PRESS, THE GOVERNMENT COULD BE MOST RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE IT SERVED. AND THEREFORE WE THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HUTTO PROCLAIM MARCH 16TH , 2024 AS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION DAY. LET US NOT TAKE FOR GRANTED THIS KEY COMPONENT OF THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE.

YOUR REQUESTS IN TO CELEBRATE. WEIGHT SOMETIME , RIGHT? SPREAD IT OUT.

[6. CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS]

MANAGER COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. JAMES EARP FOR THE RECORD. THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH AND AS SUCH WE GENERALLY TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE OUR PROFESSIONAL RECOGNITIONS AND INTRODUCE NEW EMPLOYEES ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. WE HAVE A NUMBER NOT ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE NOTE FROM MY STAFF SAYS DO NOT READ BIOS, ONE PRIVILEGE OF BEING CITY MANAGER IS I DO WHAT I WANT. SO I WILL READ THEIR BIOS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT HERE I STILL WANT YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT THEM. THE PICTURES ARE ON THE BOARD. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE ONES THAT DID TAKE THE TIME TO BE HERE OR COULD BE HERE AND MAYBE EVEN BROUGHT FAMILY MEMBERS ALONG TO SEE THEM GET RECOGNIZED. THE FIRST AND WHEN I CALL YOU UP, COME TO THE FRONT. THERE'S ONLY TWO TONIGHT. WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS QUICK FOR Y'ALL AND THEN I WILL LET YOU SIT DOWN AND DO THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HERE.

FIRST, -- COME ON UP. WELCOME HIM.

HUTTO IS OUR ENTERPRISE SOLUTION ANALYST IN THE I.T.

DEPARTMENT. HE BEGAN HIS CAREER IN COLLEGE AS AN I.T.

TENT MISSION AND HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR OVER FIVE YEARS WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOST RECENTLY GOOGLE. HE IS A RESIDENT OF HUTTO AND HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR WAYS TO HELP AND GROW WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN THE POSITION BECAME AVAILABLE HE FELT IT WAS THE PERFECT MATCH FOR HIM AND WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ON THE TEAM. THANK YOU. NEXT, SAUL GARCIA, JOINING TEAM HUTTO AS A PARKS MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN IN THE PARKS AND REC. HE GREW UP IN GEORGETOWN AND WORKED IN ROUND ROCK PARKS AND NEWLY MARRIED. HE LIVES IN TAYLOR. WE WILL NOT HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU. HE IS ENJOYING GETTING TO SEE THE WORK HE DOES AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE COMMUNITY DIRECTLY. WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE YOU JOIN THE TEAM. IF YOU ALL WOULD MAKE THEM FEEL WELCOME THEN GET YOUR PICTURE TAKEN, AND HAVE A SEAT.

IN ATTENDANCE, THE FIRST ON TOP LEFT, TYLER WIGGINS, JOINING TEAM HUTTO AS A BUILDING INSTRUCTOR AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. TYLER IS A SKILLED CAD TECHNICIAN WITH FIVE YEARS AS AN ARCHITECTURAL DRAFTSMAN, EXPANDING HIS EXPERTISE IN MANAGEMENT, WORKING OVER TWO YEARS FOR DEVELOPERS IN HUTTO.

TYLER IS EXCITED TO WORK NOW IN THE CITY OF HUTTO IS A BUILDING INSPECTOR. ORIGINALLY FROM BEAVERTON, BUT CONSIDERS TEXAS IS HOME. HE CONSIDERS PEOPLE HIS HOBBY OF CHOICE. NEXT IS FRANCO MELINA, THE SECOND FROM THE TOP LEFT. FRANCO HAS THREE

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>> MENTAL HEALTH IS CERTAINLY BECOMING AN ASPECT OF POLICING.

JUST LIKE THE PARAMEDICS BECAME AN ASPECT OF FIRE SERVICE. I THINK MORE A MORE YOU WILL FIND MODERN POLICING TO INCLUDE CRISIS SUPPORT AND MENTAL HEALTH. NEXT, WE HAVE TOP RIGHT, ANGELINA --. THAT IS WHAT I WILL GO WITH AND PROBABLY NOT RIGHT BUT SHE CAN CORRECT ME LATER. ANGELINA WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ROUND ROCK AND VERY FAMILIAR HUTTO WITH THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING AT PUBLIC LIBRARY SETTINGS. SHE IS EXCITED TO BE WORKING AGAIN FOR THE HUTTO PUBLIC LIBRARY. SHE IS IN THE GRADUATE SCHOOL OBTAINING A MASTERS OF LIBRARY SCIENCE IS, WHICH IS NECESSARY TO BECOME AN ACTUAL LIBRARY AND. AUTUMN LEFT, JUSTIN IS JOINING AS A MAINTENANCE MECHANIC. WITH 12 YEARS OF EXPENSE IN THE INDUSTRY HE IS MOST EXCITED TO BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE HE IS VALUED AND KNOW THAT HE IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY. OUTSIDE OF WORK HE ENJOYS BARBECUE, FOOTBALL, THE BEACH, AND SPENDING TIME WITH THE FAMILY. AND LASTLY, WE INTRODUCED YOU TO THE NEXT TWO IN PERSON AND LASTLY WE HAVE JAMES LOZANO JOINING AS A CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR IN PUBLIC WORKS. JAMES IS AN ARMY VETERAN WITH A BACHELORS DEGREE IN GEOLOGY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. A MASTERS DEGREE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE FROM TEXAS A&M. OH. OKAY. AND MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN FIBER INSTALLATION AND INSPECTIONS.

HE IS THRILLED TO BEGIN HIS NEXT JOURNEY WITH THE CITY OF HUTTO. THOSE ARE THE NEW EMPLOYEES THAT STARTED IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. NEXT, WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE PROMOTIONS.

WE HAVE ONE PROMOTION TO ANNOUNCE. JAKE IS SPELL, HE JOINED TEAM HUTTO A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WAS HAND-PICKED BY BILL TO SUCCEED HIM. AND THEN APPLIED FOR THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT POSITION AND WAS SELECTED AMONGST A PRETTY RESILIENT AND ROBUST CANDIDATE POOL TO TAKE OVER THE REINS OF OUR EMERGENCE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIVISION. HE CAME TO THE CITY OF HUTTO, SORRY, BEFORE JOINING HE WAS A VOLUNTARY LIAISON, SUPPORTING 30 COUNTIES IN TEXAS WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. DURING HIS TENURE HE PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN PROVIDING GUIDANCE FOR A SERIES OF CHALLENGING DISASTER INCIDENTS. HIS EXPERTISE WAS PIVOTAL IN DECLARED DISASTERS AND NON-DECLARED DISASTERS WITH A VARIETY OF HAZARDS. BEFORE HE SERVED AS THE ASSOCIATE OR ASSISTANT EMERGENCY COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF GERALD, AND LED THE RECOVERY EFFORTS FROM TWO TORNADOES THAT AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY. HE IS THRILLED AND HONORED TO LEAVE THE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. WELCOME AND JOIN ME IN WELCOMING JAKE TO HIS POSITION.

PROFESSIONAL RECOGNITION. THIS GOES TO CHRISTINA . COME ON UP . I SAW YOU BACK THERE. OUR DEPUTY COURT CLERK. WE WANT TO CELEBRATE WITH CHRISTINA FOR PASSING HER LEVEL ONE COURT CLERK CERTIFICATION.

MEANS, THE MISCIBLE THE MUNICIPAL -- JUSTICE COURTS

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PROFESSIONAL RECOGNITIONS AND WE WILL MOVE TO CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. THE MOST PRESSING ONE IS WE HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME OUT AND SHARE PRIORITIES FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF HUTTO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TO TOO MANY SOCIAL MEDIA POST TO UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC IS HIGH ON THAT LIST. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE SEE THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT. THE CITY HALL OR TOWN HALL MEETING IS GOING TO BE HERE AT CITY HALL ON WEDNESDAY THE 20TH. STARTING AT 6:30, A LATER START TIME THAN WE ORIGINALLY ANNOUNCED. THE CONSULTANTS DID REACT WELL TO THE NOTION THAT STARTING AT 5:00 WAS TOO EARLY FOR MOST OF OUR POPULATION BECAUSE THEY WORK OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.

SLIDING IT BACK TO 6:30 IS THE START TIME HERE AT CITY HALL, TO GO OVER THE MASTER PLAN. WHAT EFFECTIVELY WILL BE SETTING THE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BUT WE UPDATE THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS. TO THIS PROCESS RESIDENTS PROVIDE INPUT TO MAPPING THE FUTURE OF HUTTO LITERALLY. WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT EXISTING NEEDS FOR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL, INCLUDING WALKING, BIKING, AND DRIVING. JOIN US OR ALSO VISIT THE CITY OF HUTTO'S FACEBOOK PAGE FOR MORE INFO AND TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ELECTRONICALLY IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND THAT NIGHT.

FORMAT IS THE FIRST HOUR IS OPEN HOUSE OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. THE SECOND HOUR IS MORE -- HOW DID YOU DESCRIBE IT ? THE SECOND HOUR? LOOKING FOR. NEXT, WE WANT TO ANNOUNCE HUTTO FORD. THE CITY AND THE LIBRARY WILL PAUSE ALL NONEMERGENCY SERVICES TOMORROW, FRIDAY, MARCH 8TH, TWO DIVIDE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR ALL MEMBERS OF STAFF. CITY HALL IS TRANSFERRING INTO A LEARNING HUB AS WE HEAR FROM SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN RESPECTIVE FIELDS, LEARN VALUABLE SKILLS, AND MOVE HUTTO FORWARD. THIS IS A BIG DEAL. I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY SIMILAR WITH THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL STAFF TO COME TOGETHER AND BE IN A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT. IT IS KIND OF SET UP IN THE FORMAT OF A CONFERENCE. THERE WILL BE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT SESSIONS YOU CAN ATTEND TO GO TO AT THAT TIME FRAME. YOU CAN LEARN BASED OFF OF YOUR INTERESTS, WE HAVE SPEAKERS COMING FROM OUT OF THE CITY, WE HAVE KEYNOTE SPEAKERS, WE HAVE CITY STAFF PRESENTING, IT IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PULL THIS TOGETHER AND WE JUST WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND TAKING THIS HAPPEN. LASTLY, WE HAVE TOUCH A TRUCK.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN ADVERTISEMENT. HERE WE GO.

LOOKING FOR A FREE AND FUN SPRING BREAK ACTIVITY? TOUCH A TRUCK OFFERS CHILDREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE LARGE TRUCKS AND VEHICLES UP CLOSE. IN MY DOING ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. ON WEDNESDAY, ARCH 13, 10:00 UNTIL 12:00, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT INCLUDING PUBLIC WORKS, PLEASE, PARKS AND REC, AND MORE, WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT THE GAME PARK. THIS IS MARCH 13TH, WEDNESDAY, DURING SPRING BREAK. FROM 10:00 UNTIL 12:00, IT IS EXCEPTIONALLY POPULAR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LITTLES. IT IS FUN TO CLIMB ON A FIRE TRUCK AND CLIMB ON A BACKHOE. AND TO SEE THE POLICE CAR. JUST, WE TRY NOT TO LET THEM LOCK THEMSELVES IN THE BACK. GENERALLY SPEAKING THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MORE POPULAR EVENTS I HAVE SEEN WHEN I HAVE GONE IN PERSON. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME OUT AND BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE TOUCH A TRUCK. IT IS POPULAR. THAT IS AT ADAM MORGAN. HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD WASTE CLEANUP, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF OLD BATTERIES, CLEANING PRODUCTS, AND PAINT. THE EVENT IS SATURDAY, MARCH 16TH FROM 9:00 UNTIL 1:00 AT THE WILLIAMSON COUNTY EXPO CENTER IN TAYLOR. THE FREE EVENT IS OPEN TO

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LIKE AN ADVERTISEMENT. WHO IS READY FOR A GOOD TIME AT THE EXTRAVAGANZA OF THE YEAR? LET THE FUN BEGIN SUNDAY, MARCH 24TH, AT 2:00 P.M. WE ARE TALKING 50,000 EGGS. WHICH MOSTLY HAVE BEEN STUFFED BY OUR VOLUNTEERS, BY THE WAY. MANY HAVE BLEEDING FINGERS AND HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE STUFFING OF EGGS. SO, 50,000 EGGS JUST WAITING TO BE COLLECTED BY EAGER HANDS FOR KIDS 12 AND UNDER. OR, JOIN THE ADAPTIVE EGG HUNT OPTION TO QUIETLY BEGIN COLLECTING A DESIGNATED NUMBER OF EGGS. NOT JUST FOR THE KIDS ANYMORE, WE ENCOURAGE ADULTS TO JOIN IN ON THE FUN THIS YEAR. FIND EGGS STUFFED WITH CANDY, PRIZES, OR TICKETS THAT CAN BE REDEEMED FOR SPECIALTY ITEMS. THE LAST THING I HAVE TO NOTE IS THE BOARDS AND COMMISSION OPENINGS. THAT SHOULD COME UP ON THE SCREEN. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO GET INVOLVED IN HOW YOUR CITY GROWS. THE BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION, ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION, TOURIST BOARD NUMBER TWO, AND ZONING ADJUSTMENTS ALL HAVE OPENINGS. SO THESE ARE THE PLACES WHERE COUNCIL WOULD BE REVIEWING APPLICATIONS FOR VOLUNTEERS TO STEP UP AND SERVE. AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE END OF MY

[7. PUBLIC COMMENT]

COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START AT GREEN AND WHEN THERE IS 30 SECONDS LEFT IT WILL GO TO YELLOW. WHEN HE GETS TO RED YOUR TIME IS UP. FIRST BRYAN COLE.

IS BRIAN AND I LIVE AT GREENHAVEN RANCH. ONE REASON HERE IS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT GOING INTO WEST HUTTO. YOU KNOW YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE ONE AT 705. IT WILL JUST BE TO THE SOUTH OF VETERANS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE, THEY DO NOT PUBLICIZE THIS MUCH BUT WE GOT A LETTER OF ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL BE THREE TIMES THAT SIZE GOING IN ONE HALF A MILE SOUTH STATE HIGHWAY 130. AS YOU KNOW NOBODY WANTS THESE. I CAN SIT HERE AND TELL YOU BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT WILL DO TO PROPERTY VALUES. WHAT IT WILL DO TO OUR AREA. VOTERS VOTED IN ONE OF THE LARGEST BONDS IN HISTORY. NOW WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OR SEWAGE PLANT THAT WILL BE LESS THAN 1000 FEET FROM THE NEW HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL. I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT TO SEE IT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO HELP US FIGHT IT IS IF WE DON'T STOP IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DEVELOPERS WILL TRY TO SAVE ANY MONEY THEY CAN. NEXT WE MAY BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU. I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS. SEND EMAILS.

MAKE PHONE CALLS WHEN YOU CAN. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE STEVE PARKER.

TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING. THAT BRIAN JUST TALKED ABOUT. A COMPANY IN SUGARLAND IS CALLED LEMMER HOLDINGS AND APPLIED FOR A PERMIT TO BUILD A WASTEWATER PLANT. THE PLANT WILL BE LOCATED 0.5 MILES OF THE TOLLROAD. THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEW HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL WE BUILT. IT IS ALSO RIGHT BEHIND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPOSED WASTEWATER PLANT , FLUID RATE IS 150 GALLONS A DAY AND WILL GO DOWN OPEN CREEKS, DITCHES, RESERVOIRS, AND THROUGH MORE DITCHES TO GET TO THE CREEK. THAT IS OVER 100 GPM 24/7. RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL WILL RUN THROUGH THE BACKYARDS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AS WE , IF WE ALLOW THE PERMIT TO PASS. WHY AM I CONCERNED? I AM CERTAINLY CONCERNED FROM A SCHOOL STANDPOINT, WHERE YOU HAVE GOT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WILL OPEN IN THE FALL, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL COMING. THE SMELL, I UNDERSTANDING INJECT SOME KIND OF FRAGRANCE INTO THEIR SYSTEM. WHEN YOU ARE ON A BUDGET, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BUDGET IS. YOU HAVE EQUIPMENT ISSUES, YES WHAT WILL COME LAST? PUTTING THE FRAGRANCE

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>> THANK YOU. ALSO NOTE THAT MR. RAVI -- WE RECEIVED YOUR COMMENT IN THE PACKET ALONG WITH PAUL CUMMINGS. NEXT BRINGS US TO PRESENTATIONS. 8.1, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. UPDATES AND PRESENTATIONS.

>> CAN I MOTION TO MOVE COUNCIL COMMENTS REALLY QUICK?

[16. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS (Part 1 of 2)]

>> ANY OBJECTIONS? >> WE WILL MOVE 16.1 FROM

CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY THAT WE ATTENDED, AMBERLEY AND I BOTH ATTENDED THE WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS AMAZING. THAT GOES ALONG WITH WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. IT WAS A CONFERENCE OF, OH GOSH, THERE WERE SO MANY SESSIONS, I GUESS 12 SESSIONS. FOR EACH TIME SLOT. AND THEY GAVE US DINNER AND THERE WAS A SPEAKER AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT EMPOWERING AND INSPIRING WOMEN. THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF WOMEN THERE AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT. WITH AMAZING SPEAKERS. THANK YOU HUTTO ISD FOR DOING THAT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I WILL PUT THIS OUT THERE. MS. ASHLEY, GET READY, CHRISTIE, I EXPECT YOU ALL TO BE SPEAKERS NEXT YEAR. SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO IT. OKAY? WE ARE EMPOWERING WOMEN AND WE WILL KEEP EMPOWERING THEM. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS?

>> I WILL SAY, SINCE WE ARE DOING THIS NOW, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT SPRING BREAK, ABLE TO UNWIND, DETACH, AND RECHARGE YOUR BATTERIES. ALLOW GREAT THINGS HAPPENING HERE IN HUTTO AND EXCITED FOR WHAT IS ON THE HORIZON IN 2024. I HOPE EVERYBODY TAKES THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A GREAT

SPRING BREAK. >> WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR SPRING

BREAK. >> MAYOR?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE UP THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM TO THE OPEN FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TOPIC? SINCE WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS ON A DIFFERENT ONE.

>> I WILL MAKE SURE THERE IS NO OTHER COUNCIL COMMENTS FIRST.

YOU TO THE COMMUNITY GROUPS WHO PUT ON SEVERAL ACTIVITIES RELATED TO BLACK HISTORY MONTH. I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND ONE AT RAY ELEMENTARY PUT ON BY THE PTA. IT WAS NEAT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND A LOT OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT WAS ON THERE. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT AND INVITING THE COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND DO THOSE THINGS.

>> I KNOW THAT THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BALLOT DRAWING. I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE BECAUSE I WAS AT CURLY'S EVENT. WHICH WAS SCHEDULED PRIOR AND ANGELA KNEW. IT WAS CALLED A NIGHT IN AFRICA. AND IT WAS AMAZING.

THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING EVER. THOSE KIDS WERE SO EXCITED.

LEARNING THROUGH FUN. IT WAS DEFINITELY A GOOD PLACE FOR ME TO BE.

[14. EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 1 of 2)]

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14.1. >> YES.

>> OBJECTIONS. TO MOVE ITEM 14.1 UP. HEARING ON. ASSUMING THERE IS NO LEGAL THINGS TO IT. 41 IS RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5514.071.

CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY, RELATING TO DOCKET NUMBER 2023-1566-MWD PRESERVE HUTTO, LLC, THE APPLICANT REQUEST FILE ON PERMIT NUMBER WQ0016145001.

>> TUESDAY APRIL 9TH AT 7:00 IN THE HUTTO HIGH SCHOOL GYMNASIUM. THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR WASTEWATER DISCHARGE FROM A SMALL TRACK NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 109, NORTH OF SIENA. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A MAP WE CAN PUT ON THE SCREEN. NO, WE DO NOT.

OKAY, SO WE WILL PUT THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, ON THE WEBSITE. AND IN THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING YOU CAN PUT , GO TO THE MAP OF WHERE THIS IS.

AND THE CITY HAS FILED COMMENT, WE HAVE HIRED AN ATTORNEY. SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR COMMENTS BUT WE WANTED TO DRAW THOSE TWO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, AND THE PUBLIC, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED PEOPLE TO TURN OUT. CITIZENS, TO VOICE THEIR COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE ONES THAT THE CITY IS HIRING AN ATTORNEY TO HELP

CONTEST. >> I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE ON IT. THERE ARE TWO ACTIVE APPLICATIONS FOR DISCHARGE, EFFECTIVELY PACKAGED PLANS FOR SEWER. ONE IS A 705 PROPERTY, THE OTHER IS PRESERVE HUTTO, THE ITEM THAT IS HERE. THAT IS THE STAR RANCH PROJECT ON THE SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST PART OF TOWN. SO THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT ONES WE KNOW ABOUT. AND TODAY WE WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT PERL ESTATES HAVING FILED FOUR EIGHT FOR A DISCHARGE PERMIT. WHICH IS THE ONE THEY ARE REFERRING TO --

>> I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF BUT I THINK WE CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT PRESERVE HUTTO. UNFORTUNATELY. IS THAT RIGHT,

CITY ATTORNEY? >> WE ARE JUST GIVING FACTUAL INFORMATION. AND MENTIONING SOME OF THE OTHERS.

>> THIS IS THE STAR RANCH ONE.

>> SO THE SITE SAYS THAT THE HEARING ON APRIL 9TH IS FOR THE

705. THE PLANT. >> I THINK THAT WE TRANSPOSED THE TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING CONFUSING TO KEEP APART. SO -- SO IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, MATT, DO YOU KNOW IF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FIRSTAR RANCH OR THE 705.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR STAR RANCH. GO DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE WEBSITE WHILE WE ARE HERE, THAT WAY WE KNOW.

>> I'M ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW.

>> IT SAYS 705? OKAY. SO THE TC Q PERMIT, THIS IS THE SHEET, IT SAYS 705, BUT IT DOES NOT SAY PRESERVE HUTTO AND I THINK

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. >> LET'S HAVE A REOCCURRING AGENDA ITEM UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THESE, THAT WILL LAST LIST THE THREE PLANTS. I HAVE HAD MEETINGS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DISCUSS THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY GETTING IT ON THERE.

BRING IT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHERE DID MATT GO?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF WE CAN MOVE UP ITEMS 10.1 AND

12.10. >> ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. ANY OBJECTIONS? HEARING NONE. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10.1.

[10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments]

GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. >> INTERVIEWING TWO

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>> THE COMMISSION CHAIR IS HERE.

>> GOTCHA. >> IT NEEDS A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION MADE BY

>> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WILL CUT. IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT FOR ME. ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, HEARING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON . >> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT. >> YES.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> YES. MAYOR PRO-TEMGORDON.

[12.10. Discussion and possible action on directing staff to draft a budget amendment for the Diversity & Inclusion Commission to attend training and acquire help forming a strategic plan (Councilmember Dan Thornton)]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT IS POSSIBLE ACTION ON DIRECTING STAFF TO THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION TO ATTEND TRAINING AND PROVIDE HELP FORMING A STRATEGIC PLAN.

>>

1210. >> THERE IS ON THIS RIGHT HERE.

THAT IS WHY. >> THE ONE THAT WAS LEFT ON MY SPOT MATCHES ON EVERYTHING ELSE AS FOR TEEN .10. I DO NOT

KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT. >> OKAY. PLEASE PAUSE FOR A

SECOND. >> NO 14.10.

>> YOU DO NOT HAVE THIS? >> THAT IS THE OLD AGENDA.

>> WHICH ONE? >> WE DO NOT HAVE 14.10 UNDER

THE AGENDA. HERE YOU GO. >> THANK YOU.

>> 14 IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>> OKAY. >> I THINK WE ARE OKAY.

>> IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG NIGHT FOR ALL OF US. ALBERTA? GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS ONE IF I COULD. I KNOW THE FULL COUNCIL WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE SATURDAY MORNING SESSION WE HAD. BUT DISCUSSION STARTED THERE WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THERE. SO THAT IS WHERE THE GENESIS OF THIS, THEM ASKING FOR TRAINING AND THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER HAD A BUDGET AMOUNT HERE. WHEN THEY HAD THEIR NEXT MEETING, THEY PASSED A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

JACLYN IS HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THEM UP AND DO THAT. AND WE HAVE OUR FINANCE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE WILL FIND MONEY FOR THIS. WERE EVER DIRECTION ANYBODY WANTS TO GO WE HAVE THE CONTENT AND THE DOLLARS

COVERED. >> I SEE JACLYN IS HERE. IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU GUYS DID GO TO THE PRESENTATION ON SATURDAY, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS.

TO BE AT THE MEETING ON SATURDAY THE THIRD. AND REALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF REVITALIZING THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION. AND REALLY THAT STARTS BECAUSE WE ARE BRAND-NEW. THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST THAT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BUT WANT TO SPRING FORWARD AND REVITALIZE THE COMMISSION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO IS TO HAVE EDUCATION AND TRAINING REGARDING WHAT THINGS WE WANT TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION, HOW DO WE ACT, HOW DO WE INTERACT, HOW DO WE SUPPORT? HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY? AND ALSO, THE KEY PART IS TO DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT SUPPORTS THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE CITY OF HUTTO. SO, REALLY IT STARTED THERE ON FEBRUARY 3RD. AND THEN IT CONTINUED ON.

IN WITH THE NEW PERSON WHICH WE INTERVIEWED YESTERDAY, WHICH

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SO, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE?

>> QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? >> I WILL SAY, I KNOW FOR THOSE THAT MISSED IT, ONE THING YOU TALKED ABOUT HIS STRATEGIC PLAN AND THERE WAS A UNIVERSITY OF SORTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. BECAUSE IT IS A WAY FOR NEW CITIZENS TO COME IN, MAYBE EMPLOYEES, OR OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN COULD COME IN. WHAT I LIKE TOO IS YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE USUAL TOPIC THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT, BLACK-AND-WHITE, IT WAS BLACK AND WHITE, IT WAS AGE, IT WAS DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, IT WAS HOW DO WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIVERSITY IN HUTTO AND EXPANDING YOUR MISSION AND THINGS, OR YOUR DIRECTIVES, IF YOU WILL.

>> ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. FROM WHAT I SEE BEING NEW, THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD WORK THAT IS DONE REGARDING MUNICATION AND THAT.

BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF DISRUPTIONS LIKE COVID-19 AND OTHER THINGS. WE ARE STARTING FRESH, WE ARE STARTING NEW.

WITH DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, IT IS NEVER JUST ABOUT RACE AND GENDER. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT. AND HELP ALL THOSE ON THE COMMISSION, COUNCIL, MAYORS, TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN SO YOU CAN SPEED UP, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING WE WILL DO THIS EVENT AND WE WILL DO THAT EVENT, SO THAT IS WHY WE REALLY WANTED TO INCLUDE COMMUNICATION, TRAINING, LEARNING, UNDERSTANDING, AND BUILDING A STRATEGIC PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE STEP BACK TO LOOK AT A BIGGER PICTURE, TO STOP AND CREATE A VISION AND A MISSION AND A PLAN. WITH YOUR FELLOW COUNTERPARTS AND GET OUTSIDE COUNCIL ON HOW TO DO IT. THE PROPER WAY. AND TO INCLUDE THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. THERE ARE SO MANY THAT GO INTO IT. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE HARD WORK.

AND YOU ARE JUST BEGINNING BUT IT WILL BE SO AMAZING. JUST YESTERDAY, AT THE WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE I BROUGHT SOMEONE WHO HAD JUST MOVED FROM ARKANSAS AND I MET HER A DAY AGO. SHE WAS LIKE, A WOMEN'S CONFERENCE? THAT'S AMAZING. I WILL SHOW UP. I DID NOT BEEN SHE WOULD SHOW UP. SHE IS FROM ARKANSAS AND THE FIRST THING SHE SAID WHEN SHE LOOKED AT US IN THE ROOM, AS A FAMILY, AS WE REALLY ARE, SHE SAID I CANNOT BELIEVE THE DIVERSITY IN THIS ROOM AND ALL OF YOU ARE TALKING TOGETHER AND WORKING TOGETHER. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE IN MY LIFE, IT IS AMAZING. IS THIS HOW IT ALWAYS IS? I SAID WELCOME TO HUTTO. YOU ARE HERE NOW. WE ARE YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT WITH THE CITY. IT IS TIME.

YES. TIME. >> GO AHEAD.

>> NO, YOU GO. >> HOW DID YOU LAND ON THE 10,000? WAS THAT SOMETHING FROM EXPERIENCE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT BASED ON THE TRAININGS YOU ARE LOOKING AT, 10,000 WOULD MATCH THAT? I JUST WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE FOR SOMETHING TO BE 10,000 AND THAT IS IT. I WOULD EXPECT SOMETHING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING, WHETHER THERE IS SOME SORT OF FOLLOW-UP EDUCATION THAT COULD

BE OFFERED WITH THAT. >> WELL, THAT 10,000 WAS JUST A START. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO START. SO THAT IS NOT THE BE ALL AND ALL.

BUT, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE THE START SO WE COULD DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR AND NOT WAIT UNTIL NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

>> SO YOU ARE THE COMMISSION SEES THIS AS BEING SOMETHING POTENTIALLY THAT IS REOCCURRING?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY! POSITIVELY! >> GREAT, THANK YOU MS.

GOLDMAN. >> TO FOLLOW-UP, WHENEVER WE WERE AT THE SATURDAY BOARDS AND COMMISSION EVENT, I KIND OF CHALLENGED HEAT SUCH EACH COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET, WHETHER BIG OR SMALL, WEATHER EVENTS, OR TRAINING, GOING TO CONFERENCES, AND JUST TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL, SO WE KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. THEN WE

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RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST LIKE AN ASK TO SAY HEY, WE WANT TO GET STARTED NOW. THEN OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF RE-UP IF THEY COME TO US WITH MORE TASKS AND THINGS. THAT IS THE

BACK STORY. >> AWESOME. THANK YOU.

>> MY QUESTION WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON ASKED. DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC TRAINING PICKED OUT THAT YOU WANT TO DO? OR WHAT IS THE 10,000 GOING TOWARDS?

>> FOR TRAINING THE COMMISSION. AND ALSO HELPING

DEVELOP THE STRATEGIC PLAN. >> MAY BE LIKE BRINGING IN A FACILITATOR, THAT CAN COME IN AND HELP YOU?

>> EXACTLY. YES. >> GREAT.

>> I WOULD ASK THAT THAT, IT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, YOUR BUDGET, BRING TO US AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, PART OF YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN. BUT MY NECK JUST QUESTIONS WILL BE WITH BUT MY NEXT QUESTIONS WILL BE WITH

FINANCE. >> REAL QUICK, THAT BROUGHT UP ANOTHER QUESTION. WITH NEW COMMISSIONERS COMING ON, IS THIS A TRAINING WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS RIGHT NOW WILL GET THAT TRAINING? AND THEN MOVING FORWARD THERE WILL BE SOME SORT OF TRAINING THAT THE COMMISSION CAN PROVIDE NEW MEMBERS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT JUST TAKING INTO ACCOUNT FROM A COUNCIL STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THIS DISRUPT ANY SORT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WANT TO COME UNTO THE COMMISSION? HEY, I DIDN'T GET THE TRAINING, CAN I JOIN, CAN I NOT? IS THERE FOLLOW-UP OFFERED TO PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT TO JOIN THE COMMISSION AFTER THE TRAINING WAS COMPLETED.

>> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT -- WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT SPECIFICALLY BUT SOMETHING, YOU BRING UP A VERY GOOD POINT. BECAUSE HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THINGS TO MOVE

FORWARD? >> RIGHT.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO COVER IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE WANT TO LOOK OUT ON HOW WE HAVE ONGOING

EDUCATION. >> SO FOR ME IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE IS NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT COME ON AFTER THIS, IF THE COMMISSION WAS TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR POTENTIAL TRAINING FOR THEM? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> I AGREE. DEFINITELY. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN. AND WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, HOW DO WE HAVE CONTINUITY? BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY VERY ENGAGED AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY LEAVE OR DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND THAT IS A CRITICAL POINT.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. >> SO MY QUESTIONS WERE, ONE, ONCE WE PAY FOR THE TRAINING, THAT WE KIND OF OWN THAT COPY OF TRAINING, SO THAT YOU HAVE A COPY LIKE A POWERPOINT OR WHATEVER THAT YOU CAN GET TO NEW BOARD MEMBERS. WHEN YOU ARE NEGOTIATING THAT, THAT IS PART OF A --

>> MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AND THEY WILL GET SOME TRAINING AND HAVE SOME TRAINING MATERIALS WITH IT. DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION, YOU OWN THAT SET OF TRAINING. IT MAY GET UPDATED AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE UPDATES BUT YOU HAVE AN INSTANCE OF TRAININGS THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE TO A BOARD MEMBER SO YOU DON'T COME BACK TO US TO GET TRAINED. THEY COULD START WITH IT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS PART OF IT. BUT FOR THE THE FUNDING QUESTION, THE GRANT REVENUE, WHERE DOES IT RESIDE FROM?

WHERE DID IT GENERATE FROM? >> GREAT QUESTION. SO THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY A REIMBURSEMENT WE GOT FROM AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED AND WE GOT REIMBURSED EXPENSES. IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. WE BUDGETED 20,000 FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT AND IT CAME IN AT 38.

>> WHAT WAS THE GRANT REIMBURSEMENT FROM? WHAT KIND

OF WORK OR ORGANIZATION? >> IT WAS THE --

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>> MY GUESS IS IT IS THE -- REIMBURSEMENT.

>> IS THIS RELEVANT BECAUSE THIS IS DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU USE

YOUR GRANT DOLLARS FOR. >> IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE --

>> BUT IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT, RIGHT?

>> THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE HERE. NORMALLY I WOULD OBJECT AND I DID OBJECT TO USING THE GRANT REVENUE BECAUSE TYPICALLY GRANT REVENUE MEANS THERE IS A PARTICULAR DELIVERABLE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. IN THIS CASE IT WAS A REIMBURSEMENT AFTER-THE-FACT OF TIME, MATERIAL, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. IT IS AN ELIGIBLE AREA TO USE FOR FUNDING. MY PREFERENCE WAS OPTIONS ONE AND THREE BUT IT DOES NOT REALLY

MATTER. >> AND IF YOU WERE TO ADD, I WOULD PROPOSE NOBLE -- NUMBER THREE. THAT IS THE BETTER SAVINGS, BUT IT IS TOTALLY YOUR CALL AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO.

THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR THIS YEAR, BEFORE THE NEXT BUDGET

YEAR. >> MY OBJECTION TO OPTION NUMBER THREE AS PART OF THIS WAS IT IS A PROJECTED REVENUE WHICH WE CANNOT GUARANTEE BECAUSE INTEREST RATES CAN CHANGE. SECOND, BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE RESERVE AND NOT 20%, ANY NEW REVENUE NOT EXPECTED, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND IF IT WAS NOT BUDGETED BECAUSE THAT COULD THEN BE NEW MONEY THAT WE CAN GO TOWARDS THE RESERVE. SO EITHER THE GRANT OR OPTION ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE WE WOULD NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TRAINING FOR COUNCIL OR TO USE THAT TRAINING. BUT IF NOT THEN OPTION ONE WOULD BE FINE OR NUMBER TWO, BUT NOT NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE IT IS PROJECTED AND NOT ACTUAL DOLLARS ON HAND.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OPTION ONE. HONESTLY, THAT DAY, THAT SATURDAY, I KIND OF THREW IT OUT THERE. I WAS GENUINE ABOUT IT. I AM HONEST ABOUT IT. BUT I WAS LIKE, HEY, ON THE BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR PLACE SIX, THERE IS $10,000 IN EACH PLACE HAS THAT AMOUNT. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GO UNUSED, YEAR AFTER YEAR, DEFINITELY FOR THIS YEAR, IT COULD BE REAPPROPRIATED TO BE USED. I AM OKAY WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY. IT DOES NOT MATTER. BUT LIKE HEY, IT WILL NOT BE USED ANYWAYS. IT IS A LINE ITEM AS A PLACEHOLDER. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE SMART TO UTILIZE THOSE DOLLARS BECAUSE WE ARE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR. THEY COULD BE USED THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND ACTUALLY USED INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE.

>> A QUICK TIMEOUT. THE WAY THE PROTOCOLS ARE SET UP, PRESENTATION, WE ASK QUESTIONS, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE ITEMS. WE ARE GETTING OFF.

>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE --

>> HOLD ON. WE ARE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS BUT NOW DEBATING WHETHER WE DO OPTION ONE, TWO, THREE. I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILMEMBER THORTON WAS GOING TO SPEAK BUT IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS QUESTIONS? ANYTHING REGARDING THIS ITEM BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION? OKAY. SO WE WILL ENTERTAIN THE

MOTION. >> I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE.

12.10. WITH THE OPTION ONE AS THE FUNDING SOURCE.

>> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. OPTION ONE BEING THE FUNDING, APPROVING THE REQUEST.

>> WILL CAUGHT SECOND. >> SECONDED. AND IS THERE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I WILL JUST SAY THAT I AGREE WITH THE FUNDING REQUEST. AND I HAVE TALKED TO JACK FOR PROBABLY AN HOUR AFTER THAT MEETING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.

I ALSO LIKE OPTION ONE, IF WE DO FIND THAT OPTION THREE WE END UP HAVING THAT KIND OF MONEY COME IN, WHICH FIVE MONTHS INTO THE YEAR, WE SHOULD KNOW PRETTY GOOD THAT IS YOUR -- MONEY THAT WE NEED TO REIMBURSE SO BY USING OPTION ONE WE MAY FIX ANOTHER ISSUE WE HAVE.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> MAYOR PRO-TEM GORDON.

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON.

>> AYE.. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON .

>> AYE.. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK.

>> AYE.. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT.

>> AYE.. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR.

>> AYE.. >> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. BEFORE I GO TO ITEM 8.0. ANY OTHER ITEMS WE WANT TO MOVE AROUND?

[8.1. Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) Updates and Presentations]

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RIGHT. SO THE FIRST OF THE MONTH WE DO OUR CIP UPDATE FOCUSING ON ROADS. THIS ONE WILL BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAD A REQUEST TO UPDATE OTHER PROJECTS. BUT I WILL TALK TO THEM QUICKLY. SO THE FIRST ONE UPDATED HERE, IF YOU HAVE NOT DRIVEN IT LATELY, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS HAVE STARTED TO GET ADJUSTED SO WE CAN START TO GET THE UTILITY CONSTRUCTION AND I THINK AS YOU ARE LEAVING HERE TONIGHT, AS YOU DRIVE UP THAT WAY YOU WILL SEE MORE BARRICADES GETTING SHIFTED AROUND. SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE CUTTING IN UTILITIES, MOVING STORMONT, ALL OF THAT. EATING READY FOR THE BIG CONSTRUCTION

TO HAPPEN IN APRIL AND MAY. >> QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG OR WAIT UNTIL THE END? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. DOES THIS BUDGET INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE SIDEWALKS WE WILL HAVE TO TEAR UP DUE TO THE WIDENING?

>> YES, THERE ARE SIDEWALKS IN THIS PROJECT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> SO THAT WHEN WAS GREEN AND THIS ONE IS RED. WE HAVE SHARED WITH YOU THROUGH MEMORANDUMS, AS WELL AS PRIOR MEETINGS, SO JUST FOR THE REFRESHER FOR EVERYONE, THIS IS RED BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO CROSS THE 100% DETAILS, GETTING EVERYTHING THROUGH TXDOT. AND THEN TXDOT SAID WE NEEDED TO PUT A SIGNAL AT FRONT STREET, AS WELL AS FIXING THE SIGNAL ON 79TH. I HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH THE AUSTIN DIVISION AND THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THEIR STANCE IS TO PUT THE SIGNAL ON FRONT STREET. HOWEVER AS I INDICATED IN MY MEMO, WE COORDINATED WITH THEM AND THEY WILL DO THE DESIGN. IT WILL NOT COST ANYTHING EXCEPT TIME. THEN THEY INDICATED THAT THE FUNDING FOR THE EXTRA COST WOULD COME FROM TXDOT. SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL COST FOR OUR PORTION OF THE PROJECT. THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY COSTS FOR THE EXTRA DESIGN. AND WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH THE AUSTIN DIVISION TO LOOK AT UPDATING THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT. SO THAT IS ALL IN WRITING AND LOGGED IN AS WE START DOWN THAT ROAD. TO SAVE TIME WE ARE DOING IT IN PARALLEL SO TXDOT HAS ALREADY HIRED THEIR CONSULTANT AND STARTED THE MOVING OUT. AND WE ARE TRYING TO SET UP COORDINATION MEETINGS BETWEEN OUR CONSULTANT AND THEIR CONSULTANT, SO EVERYONE IS TALKING TO EACH OTHER. WE DON'T HAVE TIMELINES ON THIS ONE YET. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS. BUT TXDOT HAS SAID THEY WILL PUSH THE CONSULTANT AS HARD AS THEY CAN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO RIDE THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE

WRITING THE CONSULTANT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, I SAID I THOUGHT WE NEEDED A LIGHT IT FRONT STREET AND I WAS TOLD THAT WE CAN DO IT, TOO CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD, IT CAN'T HAPPEN, NOW IT IS HAPPENING. IT IS FRUSTRATING.

BUT AT LEAST THE STATE WILL PAY FOR IT.

>> YES, AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU ARE CORRECT. I HAVE CORRESPONDENCE WHERE THE CITY AND THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED TO TXDOT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT TO PUT A SIGNAL THERE. AND TXDOT CATEGORICALLY SAID NO. NOW THEY ARE SAYING YES. AND PART OF IT, TO BE FAIR, PART OF IT , I CAN GET THE DATA FROM THEM, THEY HAVE SHOWN AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRONT STREET AND 1660. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, YOU HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COMING, 199 TO FRONT STREET TO GET TO 1660. AND YOU HAVE GOT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION FOCUSED ON THAT INTERSECTION. WHICH MEANS, I MEAN JUST PURE NUMBERS YOU WILL HAVE MORE COLLISIONS IN THE INTERSECTION. I MEAN IT IS JUST THE LAW OF AVERAGES PLAYING OUT. SO TO THEIR POINT THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE. I UNDERSTAND THEIR POINT. BUT IT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING WHEN WE SUGGESTED IT AND THEY SAID NO AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING WE HAVE TO.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DOES THE DELAY WITH TXDOT IMPACT WHAT -- WHERE THEY ARE AT WITH THE PROJECT? DOES IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED? ARE THEY STILL OKAY WITH THAT TIMELINE?

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AND I JUST LOST THE WORD. >> SYNCHRONIZATION?

>> NO, THE PREEMPTION FOR THE RAIL ARMS, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THE ANALYSIS, THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT TO UPRR. BUT I DID HAVE A MEETING TODAY WITH TXDOT RAIL DIVISION AND ASKED IF THEY HAD ANY STRINGS THEY COULD PULL TO PULL FOR US. SO THEN WE ARE NOT GETTING RESET ALL THE WAY BACK TO SQUARE ONE. SO THEY HAVE ALREADY SENT CORRESPONDENCE. I WAS COPIED ON IT. OUT TO UPRR. THEY SAID THIS IS THE SITUATION IN THE CONDITION WE ARE IN. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO EXPEDITE EVERYTHING IS MUCH AS WE CAN. WHAT WILL THAT IMPACT FOR US. I DON'T HAVE THE REAL ANSWERS. WE ARE WORKING ON IT AND TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS THAT WE

SEE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, SIDEWALKS, SO THIS IS NO SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE AND WE ARE -- PHASE TWO IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING FINAL CLOSEOUT DOCUMENTS ON THAT ONE AND THEN PHASE THREE IS 60% DESIGN. WE

ARE SEEING PROGRESS ON THAT. >> QUESTION ON THAT. WHEN WILL WE ACCEPT THE IMPROVEMENTS AND VERIFY THEY HAVE BEEN AND HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS? I WAS TOLD THAT CITY MANAGER WAS RIDING AROUND A LITTLE WHILE AGO IN THE SIDEWALK TENDS TO DO UNUSUAL THINGS, LIKE A POLL OR TREE IN THE WAY AND THEY MOVED IT AROUND IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS ALWAYS 36 INCHES AS IT GOES AROUND. I DID NOT GO WITH A TAPE MEASURE BUT I SAW SOME PRETTY UNIQUE UPS AND DOWNS THAT TYPICALLY ARE NOT ALLOWED. SO WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN?

>> PHASE ONE WAS WRAPPING UP WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO FOR ACCEPTANCE. I WILL GO BACK AND CHECK. PHASE TWO, WHEN WE GET IN THE CLOSEOUT DOCUMENTS, WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU. WE JUST GOT THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION LETTER. SO I AM GOING THROUGH AND CHECKING EVERYTHING ON THAT ONE. AS FAR AS DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THEIR CONTRACT.

>> AND DID WE, WHEN WE APPROVED THIS, WE HAD AN OLD SPEC, AND WE DEBATED , WE WERE USING A SPEC THAT WOULD NOT LET THE SIDEWALKS LAST AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO A CHANGE ORDER.

BUT I DON'T RECALL THE CHANGE ORDER COMING BACK TO COUNCIL.

DID WE BUILD THE SIDEWALKS WITH THE SPEC THAT WASN'T GOING TO WORK OR THE SPEC WE ARE NOW USING?

>> PHASE TWO WAS USING THE NEW DETAIL THAT YOU APPROVED BACK IN MARCH. THAT IS PART OF WHY I'M HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS AND EXTEND THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THEIR CLOSEOUT DOCUMENTATION. AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH DETAILS, THE TIMELINES IN THE CONTRACT THAT WERE WRITTEN BY OUR CONSULTANT DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE CHANGE IN CROSS SECTION FROM PHASE ONE TO PHASE TWO. SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ME AND THE CONTRACTOR AND ME AND THE ENGINEER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NEGATE THE TIME FACTOR BECAUSE THEY TOOK LONGER THAN WHAT THEY TECHNICALLY SHOULD HAVE. I AM ALSO TRYING TO BE SOMEWHAT FAIR WITH THEM AND NOT OVERLY PENALIZE THEM FOR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL. BUT PHASE ONE WAS DONE WITH THE OLD CROSS-SECTION AND PHASE TWO IS WITH THE NEW CROSS-SECTION AND PHASE THREE WITH THE NEW CROSS-SECTION. SO TYPICALLY THE NON-QUARTERLY REPORTS WE ONLY FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION.

HOWEVER, WE THOUGHT IT WAS TIMELY TO BRING THESE PROJECTS BACK. SO PART OF THE CIP APPROVE LAST SUMMER WAS THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY PROJECT. AND THE POLICE/ JUSTICE CENTER PROJECT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE DID BACK LAST SUMMER, WE ACTUALLY CREATED A ROTATION LIST OF ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS THAT COULD HELP US WITH THE FACILITY PROJECTS AS WELL AS SOME PARK PROJECTS. AND SO THE REASON WHY THESE PROJECTS, SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE STATION, HAVE TAKEN SO LONG TO GET TO YOU GUYS, IS BECAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE

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>> STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS. REQUEST FOR

QUALIFICATIONS. >> SORRY. I FORGET NOT EVERYBODY SPEAKS ENGINEERING. SO WE WANT TO HONE ON THOSE SAME FIRMS, SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS THAT SHOW HISTORY OF PROJECTS THEY HAVE DONE FOR PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES. AND THEN SEPARATE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE POLICE STATION TYPE FACILITIES. BASED ON WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, WE SHARED IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CHIEF OF POLICE AND ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE. WE TALKED THROUGH THEM AND LOOKED THROUGH SUBMITTALS, TO SEE IF THE FIRMS WERE CAPABLE OF DOING PROJECTS WE WERE ANTICIPATING.

FOR PUBLIC WORKS THE ANSWER WAS YES, THERE WAS ONE. WE NARROWED THE LIST DOWN FROM THE FOUR THAT WAS ON THE ROTATION LIST, TO I THINK THE TWO. WE INTERVIEWED BOTH. AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND THE COMMITTEE PART OF THAT, THE INTERVIEW PANEL PICKED THE SPECIFIC FIRM AND THAT IS BEING AWARDED TONIGHT, ON THE AGENDA, FOR THE AWARD. TO START THE PROGRAMMING, THE PLANNING, AND THE SITE SELECTION PORTION OF THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMINOLOGY I AM USING, PROGRAMMING IS WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AND SAY WHAT DO WE WANT IN THIS BUILDING? SO, WE WANT AN ADMIN AREA, WE WANT A VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AREA, WE WANT A UTILITY STORAGE AREA, WE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU START ALLOCATING SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON THOSE. THAT IS PROGRAMMING.

THAN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO FIT IN THERE. THEN THEY START TRYING TO BASICALLY TAKE A PUZZLE PIECE BASED ON THOSE SIZES AND FIT IT IN THE BUILDING. THAT IS THE PLANNING PORTION. THEY PLAN THE BUILDING BASED ON THE PROGRAM HE PUT TOGETHER. THEN FROM THE PLAN THEN YOU GO INTO THE SITE SELECTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU NEED AND YOU KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, HOW MANY STORAGE YARDS, ALL THAT STUFF THAT YOU WILL NEED. THAT IS THE CONTRACT THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA LATER TONIGHT. AS FAR AS THE POLICE STATION, WE DETERMINED THAT THE STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE GOT FROM THE ARCHITECTS WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO WE MADE THE DECISION TO DO ANOTHER REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS. AND WE WROTE IT SPECIFICALLY TARGETING FIRMS THAT HAVE A ROBUST EXPERIENCE IN PLANNING, PROGRAMMING, AND DESIGNING POLICE AND JUSTICE FACILITIES.

AND SO WE PUT THAT REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS OUT .

>> SO THE ITEM IS CIP UPDATES, YOU WANT TO STICK WITH UPDATING AND THEN ALWAYS CAN EXPLAIN THE DETAILS WHEN THE ITEM CAME UP LATER. I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT GOES TO SAY THAT EFFECTIVELY WE ARE GOING OUT FOR POLICE STATION SPECIFICALLY UNIQUE BECAUSE THE ITEMS IN THE POLICE STATION ARGUMENT. AND THE ARCHITECTS THAT WE HAVE WERE NOT SUITED TO THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN. THAT WILL BE COMING UP SHORTLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

>> WE ARE TARGETING BRINGING THE CONTRACT IN APRIL. AND

WITH THAT, THAT IS IT. >> QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?

>> I HAVE ONE GOING BACK TO THE 79 AND 1660.

>> SO WE WERE ABOUT TO BE AT 100% AND TIME IS MONEY, CONSTRUCTION, INFLATION STILL ON THE DESIGN. WHEN WE GO WITH TXDOT, YOU SAY THEY WILL PAY FOR THE SIGNAL. NOW THEY ALSO HAVE COST US MONEY. SO PART OF THAT SHOULD BE, IF WE HAD A COST PROHIBITIVE, OR AN IDEA AND THEN IT TAKES ANOTHER YEAR, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO HELP OUT WITH THAT TOO. IF

POSSIBLE. >> YOU MAY SPEND A YEAR TRYING

TO GET AN ANSWER. >> AND WE CAN TALK TO THAT, ONCE WE OPEN THE ADVANCED FUNDING AGREEMENT.

>> THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, THE ADVANCED FUNDING

AGREEMENT. >> A QUICK QUESTION, MAYBE A STATEMENT. ON T03. I WAS TALKING TO MY MANAGER ABOUT THIS. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT. WE DO A LOT OF POSTS

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[9.3. Conduct a public hearing and take possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2024-017 for the Specific Use Permit request for Hutto Elementary School #8 project on FM 1660 to allow a daycare, and deviations from bulk, setback and buffers, architectu language and materials, landscape and parking lot and vehicular screening ( First Reading) (Ashley Bailey)]

>> MR. MAYOR, CAN I MOVE UP 9.3?

>> ANY OBJECTIONS? >> OKAY, WE WILL GO TO ITEM 9.3. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2024-017, FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE HUTTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NUMBER EIGHT PROJECT ON 1028 TO ALLOW A DAYCARE, AND DEVIATIONS FROM BULK, SETBACK AND BUFFERS, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, LANGUAGE AND MATERIALS, LANDSCAPE AND PARKING LOT AND VEHICULAR

SCREENING. >> ASHLEY BAILEY, SERVICES DIRECTOR. BEFORE YOU IT IS LAID OUT FAIRLY WELL WITH WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING AND THE STAFF POSITION ON THAT. TO GET A LITTLE INTO THAT, THIS AGAIN IS A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT IS JUST NORTH OF -- WAY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE NINTH GRAY CENTER CAMPUS, THAT LARGE MULTI CAMPUS AT THE EAST CORNER OF 1660 WHERE IT TURNS MORE NORTHEAST. THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY AND IT IS REQUIRED NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE ISD AMENDED IN THE END OF 2023, BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN INSTITUTIONAL USE WITHIN A SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT. WITH THAT WE ARE GETTING A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, DAY CARE FACILITY IN INTENDED FOR THE STAFF CHILDREN ONLY. AND ALL OF THIS FOLLOWS THAT UPDATED ILA THAT WE DID LAST YEAR. THE FIRST IS THE DAYCARE, THE ITEMS, THAT IS BECAUSE THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES FOR SMALL TAKERS, THEY NEED A LARGER ONE, A LARGER ONE ONLY REQUIRES SEP. IT FITS IN WELL WITH THIS. FOR THIS, THEY NEED A LARGER DAYCARE AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY FOR UP TO 105 CHILDREN, AGED FOUR AND UNDER.

STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND IT IS ONLY FOR ISD CHILDREN. AND YOU WILL SEE IT IN THE LAYOUT FOR THE PACKET.

IT MAKES SENSE, THERE IS A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND IT FUNCTIONS WELL ON SITE. ALSO BUILDING HEIGHT. MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 FEET OR 2 1/2 STORIES. THAT IS CLEARLY JUST FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND WITH THAT THE ISD NEEDS TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IN ONE AREA TO APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET. STAFF IS ON BOARD WITH THIS AS WELL.

AND WE HAVE THE PHOTOS OF THAT, I HAVE THEM IN THE PRESENTATION LATER IF YOU WANT TO SEE THAT OF THE SPECIFIC AREA OF THE BUILDING. THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF COMPLIANCE WITH OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE HOUSE BILL EXISTS WHERE THE CITY IS NO LONGER ABLE TO ASK FOR MORE MATERIALS OR OTHER ITEMS AS FAR AS THIS. HOWEVER, THEY ARE MEETING THE SPIRIT AND INTENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE UPCOMING SLIDE WITH THE ELEVATIONS. THE ELEVATIONS ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THE LAST IS REQUIRED LANDSCAPING. I THINK

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YOU CAN SEE IN THE SOUTHERN MOST PORTION THERE IS A VERY LARGE RETENTION POND. THAT WILL JUST HAVE TYPICAL GREEN ARROW -- GREENERY. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE INCLUDED IN THEIR TREE CALCULATION. IT IS EXORBITANT WHEN WE START CALCULATING BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IS NOT DEVOID OF TREES OR LANDSCAPING IN GENERAL. WAS THOUGHTFULLY PLACED AND AGAIN A LOT OF THE LARGER TREES ARE UP TO SIX INCHES. INSTEAD OF THE TYPICAL 2 1/2 REQUIRED. IN THE UDC. DEPENDING ON THE TREE SPECIES.

SO, WITH, SORRY ABOUT THAT, SO WITH THAT I KNOW ISD IS HERE IF YOU SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. STAFF COMMENCE APPROVAL AND PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 4-2-0. HAD ABSENCES

THAT NIGHT. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION. I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TREES, WHICH IS GREAT. WHEN THE ANSWERS CAME BACK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE TREES AND THAT EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE CODE, I WANT TO ASK, WE WERE REDOING THE CODE, IS THE TREE ISSUE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT? TOP THINGS. I CAME BACK IN THE 60 SOMETHING PAGES OF POTENTIAL ISSUES IN THE UDC. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS NOT TO HIDE THE BUILDING BUT MAKE MEANINGFUL LANDSCAPING PLANS AND HAVE A LOOK AT. BUT ALSO NOTICE THAT WE ARE IN A DROUGHT MOST OF THE YEAR AND WE WANT TO REALLY RESPOND TO THAT AND DO WHAT IS BEST FOR HUTTO. JUST AS A WHOLE. I THINK YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF CHANGES COMING FORWARD.

TREES IS GREAT VERSUS PLANTING A BUNCH OF LITTLE ONES AND HALF OF THEM DIE AND PEOPLE FORGET.

>> IT GIVES THEM SPACE AND HAVING SIX-INCH TREES IS ALMOST UNHEARD OF ON ANY DEVELOPMENT, SO THIS WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? >> FOR THE ONE BUILDING THAT WILL BE 40 FEET, IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT ONE BUILDING IS FIVE FEET TALLER THAN MAYBE THE OTHER BUILDINGS?

>> THAT IS THE PORTION THAT ACTUALLY HAS A TWO-STORY

ELEMENT. >> OKAY. GOOD.

>> ASHLEY, WAS THE COPY OF THE ISD APPLICATION MADE PART OF

THE PACKET? >> I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THAT THEY SENT IN, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY GAVE US OTHER THAN THE MASTER SHEET IS WHAT IS IN YOUR PACKET AND LETTER OF INTENT.

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, CITY MANAGER, FOR FUTURE THINGS, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICATION TO BE GIVEN TO US AS WELL. HEART OF THE ISSUE, I FELT, IN PREVIOUS INSTANCES, YOU GUYS WERE HAVING MEETINGS IN EVER BUT HE LEAVES THINKING ONE THING, YOU GO TO YOUR DIFFERENT WAYS AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE ISSUES. PART OF THE ILA WAS THAT EVERYBODY MEETS, ALL THE ISSUES COME OUT, THEY GET PUT IN WRITTEN FORM, AND THEY ARE ATTACHED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. WHICH I THINK IS USEFUL FOR US AS A COUNCIL TO SEE IS IT SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP, SOMETHING WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT FOR A WHILE? I AM HOPING WHAT TO GET OUT OF THIS IS MORE COMMUNICATION WHERE WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME HOW THINGS ARE GOING. I THINK THE KEY TO THIS IS WHEN THEY SAY THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE SHALL BE PUT IN WRITTEN FORM AND SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION AND SO AS LONG AS

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DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? >> ON THIS ONE I MAY NEED TO CALL MATT RECTOR UP. I KNOW WE HAVE TIA FOR THE FULL NINTH GRADE CENTER. FOR THIS WITH THE SEP WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR THE TIA IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON WHAT THE TIA SAID WOULD BE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME TO REALLY WORK A LOT. I THINK THERE IS ONE MORE CAMPUS TO GO. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DISCUSS INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THEIR ORIGINAL LIST AND THAT TIA, HOW IT IS DEVELOPING, THAT IF BUILDINGS ARE BEING SWAPPED OUT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE EITHER GET AN UPDATE OR THERE IS SOMETHING DONE ONCE WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.

IF THIS SEP IS APPROVED. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE SECOND READING, AS PART OF THE ILA, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PHASING PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE PROPOSED BY THE ISD. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO AGREE WITH THE ISD ON WHO IS DOING WHAT. THAT IS ANOTHER POINT OF CONTENTION WE HAVE, WE GO 10 YEARS LATER AND WE ARE SAYING YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS AND THEY ARE SAYING NO, YOU ARE DOING THIS. AND THIS ILA, I DON'T THINK WE ARE FOLLOWING IT. I LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS GOING TO DO WHAT BECAUSE HERE IS WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION, JUST SOUTH OF HERE. YOU GUYS ARE FIXING INTERSECTIONS? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF 1660? WE BUILT OUT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AS LONG AS THE ISD AND CITY KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THE COUNCIL, WE DON'T HAVE THIS ON OUR PLAN TO WIDEN THE ROAD OR DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS. SO STAFF IS TELLING ISD WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED TO US SO WE CAN START BUDGETING. OTHERWISE THEY MAY BUILD A CAMPUS THAT IS BACKED UP TO 79. AND WE ARE GOING, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.

THAT IS ANOTHER ILA THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE

ARE ON TOP OF. >> WE CAN INCLUDE BE APPROVED TIA AND THE ONLY PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED AS THE DEVELOPMENT ITEM THAT NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED, THOSE ARE ALL ON THE LETTER OF INTENT ON THE COUNCIL PACKET. EVERYTHING WAS CODIFIED IN THAT LETTER AND THEN

SUBMITTED TO US. >> HERE IS MY LAST QUESTION.

SIDEWALKS. I AM NOT SEEING BE SIDEWALK ON DESTINY LANE GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN. I KNOW IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE. I AM NOT SEEING ONE ON THE EAST SIDE. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT THAT IN. BECAUSE WE HAD THIS RAY ELEMENTARY, FARLEY DEAL. DESTINY LANE IS NOT A CITY ROAD BUT -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IF WE ARE BUILDING ON THIS, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL, BUT IT IS POSITIONED TO RAY AS IT IS TO FARLEY. WE WILL HAVE A ROAD THROUGH AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, CONNECTIVITY, ALL THAT. SO LATER ON WHEN IT IS ALL DONE PEOPLE WILL COME TO US AND SAY WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT A SIDEWALK HERE? I THINK IT IS JUST A LITTLE STRIP THAT GOES DOWN.

IT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE THOSE PINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THE PINK THINGS, I THINK THAT IS A SIDEWALK. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, HENRY, YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF MY CRITIQUES, THE PUBLIC'S CRITIQUES, OTHER THINGS FROM THE COUNCIL, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB. AND I HOPE THAT IT WORKS BETTER FOR YOU THIS TIME THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT THINKING I AM SLAMMING YOU GUYS. I AM NOT. I THINK THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. I

APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. >> THANK YOU MAYOR. WHAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING, THERE IS ADDITIONAL PLANNING BUT THE CITY IS WELL VERSED IN THIS BECAUSE OF OUR COORDINATION MEETINGS. YOU HAVE 165 ACRES, THERE WILL ALSO BE SEP COMING IN THE FUTURE FOR THE FULL BUILD OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL NUMBER TWO. TO THE EAST. THERE IS A ROADWAY THAT WE PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME THE DEDICATED ROADWAY. AT SOME POINT OF PENDING YOUR APPROVAL

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WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THAT INFO OUT. WITH ALL OUR PROJECTS THESE ARE TYPICALLY IN PHASES. BUT THESE ARE BUILT WITH EACH OTHER. WE WANT WALK ABILITY FROM THE SOUTH. WE KNOW THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT ENTRANCE TO THE EAST, THE EXTENSION OF MAIN HIPPO WAY, WHICH MAY EVENTUALLY GET OVER TO 133, WHICH WILL CONNECT WITH YOUR 132 PROJECT AND SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT DIRECTION. WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT MOBILITY AND WHAT YOUR PLAN HAS, AS WE PLAN THIS OUT. WITH ALL OF OUR PROJECTS, AS I'VE STATED PUBLICLY BEFORE, WE DO TIA WHETHER REQUIRED OR NOT. BECAUSE IT INFORMS OUR ABILITY TO STACK AND PACK. WE DON'T BUILD CHURCH FOR EASTER SUNDAY BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR ONE MINUTES IN THE MORNING AND 20 MINUTES IN THE EVENING WE ARE -- HOW DO WE CONSCIOUSLY RECEIVE FAMILIES QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY SO THAT WE ARE OFF THE ROADWAYS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS THE DESIGN WITH THAT IN REGARDS. IT IS ALSO GREATER THAN 20 ACRES, WHICH IS MORE COMMON THESE DAYS. BOTH FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, BUT ALSO ALLOWING US TO PUT A LITTLE MORE ASPHALT ON SITE SO WE CAN CARRY MORE CARS AND GET IT OFF THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY. MORE TO COME. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO ONE THING, WHEN I KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP, I WENT AROUND AND STARTED LOOKING. WITH MY KIDS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT I HAVE DROPPED OFF AT LEAST I THINK FIVE DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF REZONING. I HAVE SEEN ALL OF THEM HAVE DEFICIENCIES IN SCHOOL DROP OFF. AND WHEN I KNEW THAT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS COMING UP THAT HAS MORE SPACE, I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHEN WE CAME TO THIS, I STARTED TO LOOK AT DESIGNS OF BETTER WAYS TO DO DROP OFF. I FEEL THAT IT IS A HUGE FAILURE WE HAVE HAD WITH THE ISD, AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE THE MOST IMPACTFUL BECAUSE MOST IN HIGH SCHOOL I THE RIGHT THE BUS OR WALK, BUT ELEMENTARY HAS A LOT OF DROP OFF. HAVE Y'ALL CONSIDERED OBVIOUSLY GETTING OFF THE PUBLIC ROAD AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE IS NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, I SEE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ONLY EVER HAVE ONE LANE TO DROP THE KIDS OFF. YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE THAT PULL UP AND YOU HAVE STAFF THAT HELPS BUT EVEN WITH THAT YOU CAN ONLY UNLOAD FIVE CARS. WHEN SOMEONE IS SLOW TO GET OUT OF THE CAR, IT JUST GETS BACKED UP. A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICT STARTED DOING LIKE A THREE LANE DROP OFF WHERE THEY HAVE STAFF WITH FLAGS PULLING IN 50 CARS.

THEY BLOW A WHISTLE AND ALL THE DOORS GET OUT. ALL THE KIDS GET OFF, ALL OF THE DOOR SHUT AGAIN BECAUSE THERE ARE TEACHERS ON BOTH ENDS. THOSE 50 MOVEOUT IN THE NEXT 50 MOVE IN.

THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME PER DROP OFF IS AMAZING. IT HAS BEEN DONE IN MANY DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE AND THE NATION. MY REQUEST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINAL DESIGN PLAN, I DON'T SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR YOU ARE EVEN CONTEMPLATING A. THIS COULD BE THE FIRST ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OF MANY THAT YOU ARE STILL GOING TO BUILD THAT STARTS DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.

WIDE ENOUGH TO DOUBLE STACK. YOU ARE TALKING MORE ABOUT AN INTERNAL MANAGEMENT PROCESS. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MANPOWER.

OUR ABILITY TO PUT ENOUGH MANPOWER TO MOVE THE CARS. WE HAVE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT GO BACK IN TIME AND CANNOT CHANGE THAT HOWARD NORMAN WAS PUT IN ON 13 ACRES IN A SUBDIVISION. THOSE WERE THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE BEFORE MY TIME.

WE LEARN FROM EVERY PROJECT. RIGHT? TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, RAY ELEMENTARY WAS BUILT IN THE COUNTRY WITH FARLEY AND THERE WAS NO CITY AT THE TIME. BROOKLYN HEIGHTS SHOWS UP AND ALONG THE WAY SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE PUNCHED A SIDEWALK TO RAY ELEMENTARY. I GET IT. HOPEFULLY WE LEARN OVER TIME.

THIS WILL HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS TO UNLOAD CHILDREN. A BUS RIDER THAT WILL DROP OFF CHILDREN, A DRIVE THAT WILL DROP OLDER STUDENTS TO THE RIGHT, ALONG WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE FOR

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>> JUST A SUGGESTION, HENRY. I WAS SAFETY PATROL BACK IN THE DAY. IF WE COULD HAVE SAFETY PATROL, THAT WOULD BE GOOD, AT

THESE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. >> WE DO HAVE A FEW AT SOME OF

THE CAMPUSES. >> THE FIFTH-GRADERS WITH THE VEST. I USED TO BE ON SAFETY PATROL.

>> REFLECTIVE ARMOR. YOU KNOW? OPENING DOORS. DIRECTING

PEOPLE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE NEED TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

NADIA, JUST OPEN IT UP AND CLOSE IT TYPE DEAL? OKAY. WE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. OKAY. OPENING TO PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:36. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS ITEM? SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:36 P.M. AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR ACTION.

>> MR. MAYOR I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 9.3 WITH THE REQUESTED APPLICATION ATTACHED TO THE PACKET ON THE SECOND READING, AS WELL AS I GUESS THE WHO IS GOING TO DO WHAT ATTACHED AS WELL. ON THE SECOND READING.

>> THE TIA PORTION? >> CORRECT.

>> I SECOND, WILCOTT SECONDS. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ? PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT . >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO-TEM GORDON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

[9.1. Conduct a public hearing regarding the creation of the Meadow Brook Public Improvement District (Sara Cervantes)]

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-3. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE CREATION OF THE MEADOWBROOK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I DO NOT BELIEVE SARA IS HERE. THE MATTER HAD BEEN ADJOURNED UNDER STATE LAW. CHAPTER 372 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, TO THIS DATE. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT SIX MONTHS TO BRING BACK HIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND

ALLOW THE CITY TO CREATE . >> WE ARE HERE TO JUST CLOSE? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE MEADOW BROOK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NO ONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT

[9.2. Conduct a public hearing and take possible action on Ordinance No. 0-2024-016 for the Specific Use Permit request for the Dollar General to allow a grocery store as required by the North Town Commons Planned Unit Development (PUD) zoning ordinance and the Unified Development Code (UDC) (First Reading) (Ashley Bailey)]

>> MAYOR, I WAS INFORMED SINCE WE POSTED THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE NEED TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT THE APPLICANT DECIDED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD, SO FOR PROCEDURAL REASONS WE WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT THAT WILL BE THE END.

>> ALL RIGHT. OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 8:39 P.M.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL? PLEASE,. -- COME UP. SEEING NO ONE. WE CLOSE AT

[11.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-022 adopting the City Manager Absence/Disability Leave Policy (City Manager James Earp)]

NEXT IS 11.1. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION CAPITAL ARE 202-4022 ADOPTING THE CITY MANAGER ABSENT/DISABILITY LEAVE POLICY.

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>> I WAS ASKED BY THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT A POLICY THAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO BE IN PLACE IN THE EVENT THAT I AM UNABLE TO SERVE. EITHER BECAUSE I AM OUT OF TOWN , ON VACATION, UNAVAILABLE, OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE INCURRED SOME SORT OF DISABILITY OR INABILITY TO SERVE IN THE ROLE. SO THINKING THROUGH HOW I WOULD APPROACH THIS, THERE IS A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE CITY MANAGER.

PREDOMINATELY SIGNATURE AND BUDGET AUTHORITY. THOSE ARE PREDOMINANTLY UNIQUE. CERTAINLY THERE IS PERSONNEL MATTERS, AND THE ABILITY FOR PERSONNEL TO APPEAL DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS . THOSE ARE CERTAINLY UNIQUE. BUT I EFFECTIVELY LOOKED AT APPROACHING THIS WITH A SHORT-TERM ABSENCE , I.E.

SOMETHING LESS THAN FOUR DAYS. AND THEN A TIME PERIOD THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN 4 AND 19 DAYS. LIKE A TWO WEEK VACATION OR ON A CRUISE AND CANNOT GET CELL PHONE SERVICE, OR SOMETHING. THAT IS A DIFFERENT ONE. AND THEN IF THERE IS A DISABILITY OR INABILITY FOR ME TO PERFORM THE DUTIES, MAYBE I WAS IN AN ACCIDENT OR A HEALTH ISSUE, OR SOMETHING TO WHERE I AM ACTUALLY NEEDING TO BE OUT FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF 19 DAYS.

SO WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE SIGNATURE AUTHORITY, AND THE ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY HAVE BUDGET AUTHORITY IN MY ABSENCE, THAT WHAT I WOULD DO IS RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ONCE A YEAR OR HOWEVER OFTEN I DEEM APPROPRIATE, A CANDIDATE OR TWO THAT I FEEL WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE IN MY STEAD FOR IF I AM OUT OF OFFICE. THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL DURING A REGULAR MEETING LIKE THIS, AGENDA ITEM. COUNCIL WOULD REVIEW THE PEOPLE I AM RECOMMENDING, THEY WOULD VOTE TO ACCEPT THAT, OR REJECT IT. IN WHICH CASE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBERS THAT ARE ACCEPTED WITHIN BE PUT ON FILE IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. IF I'M OUT OF THE OFFICE AND UNAVAILABLE FOR THAT EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, THEN I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE PLACE OF ACTING CITY MANAGER IN MY STEAD. IF I AM GONE INTO A LONG PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE OF DISABILITY OR SOME OTHER EXTENDED LEAVE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS YOU CAN STILL UTILIZE THAT SAME APPOINTMENT. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IF THE CITY MANAGER, ME OR WHOMEVER, IF THE POSITION IS VACANT FOR TOO TERRIBLY LONG, THE COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE FORMAL ACTION TO APPOINT AN INTERNAL CITY MANAGER, UNTIL SUCH TIME THE CITY MANAGER CAN RESUME DUTIES. THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THE NAMES I PUT FORTH THAT THE COUNCIL CHOSE HIM BEFORE. SO THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE POLICY, AS IT WAS ENVISIONED AND INTENDED.

AGAIN, I PUT FORWARD QUALIFIED NAMES, CITY COUNCIL WOULD TAKE ACTION TO ACCEPT OR REJECT. THE ONES ACCEPTED WOULD BE PUT ON FILE IN THE SECRETARY'S OFFICE. WHEN I AM OUT OF THE OFFICE AND UNAVAILABLE TO RESPOND , YOU KNOW, ELECTRONICALLY, OR TO SIGN DOCUMENTS, OR WHATEVER, I WOULD APPOINT THOSE PERSONS TO BE SERVING AS ACTIVE IN MY PLACE AND THEN OF COURSE NOTIFY CITY COUNCIL. THAT IS THE GENERAL NATURE AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PLAN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R-2024 022

AS PRESENTED. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER

CLARK. TO HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM. THE ONLY CHANGE I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT IS I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK THAT WHEN THE CITY MANAGER IS NOT IN THE AUSTIN METRO AREA, THEN WE HAVE A DESIGNEE FOR A COUPLE REASONS. ONE, IF HE IS ON VACATION I THINK HE OUGHT TO TAKE A VACATION AND NOT BE TIED TO A CELL PHONE. OR EMAIL. IN BETWEEN MATT, AND DAVID, CHIEF YARBOROUGH, ALL THESE PEOPLE, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT SO HE CAN DISENGAGE. THE OTHER IS IF HE GOES TO ARLINGTON FOR A CLASS, WE HAD AN ISSUE, I THINK LAST WEEK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT HACKED HER WHAT HAPPENED BUT THE WHOLE AT&T NETWORK SHUTDOWN.

HYPOTHETICALLY HE IS IN ANOTHER CITY AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET BECAUSE MAYBE IT AFFECTS THEM. AND IN MY MIND IT MAY BE LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU RUN INTO

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AM I BEING TOO PICKY? >> I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT HE

JUST SAID. >> NO.

>> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT HE SAID IS HE WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION, WHETHER HE IS GOING TO BE UNAVAILABLE OR NOT. AND THE MAYOR WAS SAYING WELL, HE MAY NOT KNOW.

>> THAT HE IS UNAVAILABLE? >> BUT SOMEONE, HE COULD WALK OUT THE DOOR RIGHT NOW AND BE HIT BY A BUS AND DID NOT KNOW

THAT HE WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE. >> WE DON'T WANT THAT TO

HAPPEN. KNOCK ON WOOD THERE. >> YOU WOULD KNOW THAT? YOU WOULD KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT, YOU WOULD KNOW. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS HE IS ON A CRUISE AND --

>> I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. >> JAMES HAS ALL GOOD INTENTIONS, I WILL BE FINE. HE JUST NEEDS TO DISENGAGE. NOT TAKE EMAILS. WE NEED TO KNOW WHO IS ALAN CHARGE. EIGHT WHO IS IN CHARGE. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN. HE COULD GET TO HIS HOUSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WHERE'S JAMES? YOU DIDN'T COME TO WORK TODAY. HE IS IN THE HOSPITAL. WE KNOW THAT. I AM LOOKING THAT HE IS OUT OF THE STATE, OUT OF THE METRO AREA, WE HAVE AN URGENT MATTER. I CAN ALWAYS FILL OUT EMERGENCY DECLARATION. ALL OF A SUDDEN BECAUSE WE NEED AN ANSWER, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING -- GO AHEAD.

>> SO I THINK THERE IS A COUPLE ASPECTS TO THAT. AND I KNOW FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO MAY BE READING THE TEMPORARY APPOINTMENT, IT IS SORT OF WHAT THE SCENARIO WOULD BE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW I DO IS THE CPM OR ARLINGTON TRIP, THINGS LIKE THAT. ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH I GO UP TO ARLINGTON, PERFORM A CLASS AND THEN DRIVE BACK . USUALLY WHILE DRIVING I AM HOLDING MEETINGS, BEING PRODUCTIVE. I APPOINT SOMEONE TEMPORARILY, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN HERE, I WILL SAY CHIEF YARBOROUGH AND DAVID OR MATT, AND ASHLEY. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ACTING CITY MANAGER SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN, UNTIL I GET BACK. THAT I AM AVAILABLE FOR PHONE AND SIGNATURES. WE DIGITIZED SIGNATURES. I AM AVAILABLE.

THAT IS TEMPORARY AND I AM NOT GIVING ANYBODY THE ABILITY TO HAVE BUDGET AUTHORITY. NOBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO SIGN DOCUMENTS IN MY STEAD. IT IS A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME EXPECTED TO BE AVAILABLE. IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY THAT HAPPENED WHILE THAT WAS IN PLACE, AND YOU COULD NOT REACH ME, AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO REACH ME, THEN YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND GO TO THE NUMBER TWO, REGARDLESS. THAT IS JUST HOW THAT SHOULD WORK. LIKE AT CHRISTMAS TIME, WHEN I TOOK VACATION, I TOLD COUNCIL, I AM DISCONNECTING AND NOT CHECKING EMAIL. I AM NOT WATCHING. THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT FOR DESIGNATING THE QUALIFIED PERSON TO SERVE IN MY STEAD WHO CAN SIGN, WHO CAN SIGN DOCUMENTS AND DO BUDGET.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXPECTATION TO BE ABLE TO REACH ME BECAUSE I AM ON A CRUISE AND I DID BY THE PLAN ONE TIME AND IT DID NOT WORK. IT DID NOT MATTER. IT ALL THE SAME, AND NOT THAT I TAKE CRUISES A LOT, IT IS JUST A GOOD EXAMPLE. BUT IF I AM TAKING TIME TO DISCONNECT AND I AM IN THE MOUNTAINS OR THE FOREST OR SOMETHING AND THERE IS NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR ME TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY, THAT IS WHEN THE DESIGNATED QUALIFIED ADMINISTERED OF PERSON TO FILL MY ROLE AS ACTIVE CITY MANAGER GETS TRIGGERED. I TRIED TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL SNARES I COULD THINK OF. SCENARIOS I DID NOT PLAN FOR OUR WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF, YOU KNOW? GENERALLY I SAY IN THAT CASE WE HAVE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY THEN THAT IS YOUR FIRST CONTACT ANYWAY. AND THEN YOU FOLLOW THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. IF YOU CANNOT MEET ME BECAUSE MY HOUSE GOT HIT BY A TORNADO, YOU GO TO NUMBER TWO. AND IF YOU CANNOT REACH MATT BECAUSE HIS HOUSE ALSO GOT HIT BY THE TORNADO, GO TO NUMBER THREE. WE CAN SET THAT UP AND HAVE ALL THE PHONE NUMBERS AND ACTUALLY JAKE, DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, HE HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTACT AS HE GOES DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE BUT -- YEAH.

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>> I THINK IT IS FINE AS IS. GOOD PLAN.

>> JUST BECAUSE I AM WHO I AM I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION. THAT WE ADD IN WHEN THE CITY MANAGER LEAVES THE AUSTIN METRO AREA, HE ALSO DESIGNATES SOMEONE WHO FILLS IN FOR HIM.

HEARING NONE. THAT DIES. ONTO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT . PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON. >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO-TEM GORDON. >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON. >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT. >> AYE..

[12.1. Consideration and possible action on the recommendations for the updated utilities CIP projects resulting from the previous City Council Workshops (Matt Rector)]

>> MOTION PASSES, 7-0. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE UPDATED UTILITIES CIP PROJECTS RESULTING FROM THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS.

>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. I APOLOGIZE THAT THE TEXT IS VERY TINY. BUT IN JANUARY WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU IN A WORKSHOP ABOUT THE UTILITY CIP. AND WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES WERE, HOW WE FELT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD. ONE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED WAS HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? WHAT WILL IT DO WITH UTILITY RATES? WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL CITY? WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS? AS A QUICK REFRESHER, THE APPROVED WATER PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE CIP, APPROVED LAST SUMMER, 25 PROJECTS FOR JUST UNDER $200 MILLION. AND THEN THE APPROVED WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT WERE IN THE UTILITY CIP, 27 PROJECTS FOR JUST OVER $400 MILLION. AND SO IN JANUARY WE HAD TWO PRESENTATIONS, THE FIRST WAS PRETTY MUCH JUST LISTING OUT ALL THE PROJECTS. ALL OF THE COSTS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY SHIFT THINGS AROUND. THE SECOND WORKSHOP FOCUSED MOSTLY ON THE IMPLICATIONS TO THE UTILITY FUND. AND HOW THE DOLLARS AND CENTS PAID OUT AS FAR AS THAT ASPECT GOES. SO WE HAVE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE TO HELP ME WITH THIS CONVERSATION. AND SO, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH YOUR FINANCIAL PREDICTIONS?

>> SO THE ONE THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET IS PROBABLY THE MOST UPDATED ONE. YOU CAN SEE THE FULL VERSION. SO WE TOOK THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE HAD FUNDING FOR AND WHAT WAS UNFUNDED. AND SO FROM THERE WE BROKE IT TO PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IMMEDIATELY, OR HAD BEEN STARTED AND WOULD NEED FUNDING NOW. AND THOSE THAT WE COULD DO, FUNDING IN 2026. SO, WITH THE UNFUNDED BASED ON THESE REVISED PROJECTS, IN THE 24 WE WOULD ISSUE 277 MILLION.

AND THEN IN 26 WE WOULD DO ANOTHER SMALLER ISSUE OF ABOUT 52 MILLION. AND THEN WE TOOK THAT COST OR ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT FUNDING WITH OUR CURRENT DEBT, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE SHOWED YOU BEFORE. THAT GIVES YOU YOUR TOTAL DEBT COST. AND THEN WE DID THE OPTIONS OF FUNDS AVAILABLE. SO, UNDER OPTION A, TO FUND THIS DEBT , THE INCREASE OR THE ADDITIONAL DEBT THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE FUND. IF YOU WERE TO DO THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT IT CANNOT MAINTAIN A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE. HOWEVER, IF YOU JUST DID THE PRINCIPAL LIKE WE DO NOW, FOR ALL OF THE ISSUES, OUT OF THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE FUND, IT MAINTAINS A POSITIVE BALANCE IN THE LONG-RANGE. IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND WITH THAT WE WOULD INCREASE THE WATER RATES. AND THE SUPER RATES. THE BASE RATES, BY $10. IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO IT WOULD PICK UP THE FUNDING FOR THIS ADDITIONAL DEBT. AND HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON BOTH FUNDS.

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>> ARE WE MISSING A SLIDE? THERE WAS NOT AN OPTION A.

>> I THINK IT IS IN YOUR PACKET. I THINK IT IS CUT OUT

ON THE SCREEN. >> THIS WHEN THAT YOU ARE SHOWING IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET.

>> I THINK THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE.

>> THIS WAS HOW WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED EVERYTHING BACK IN JULY. THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE FUNDS. I DO NOT THINK THAT WE HAVE , ACTUALLY, HERE IT IS. THEY WERE OUT OF

ORDER. >> I AM SORRY. YEAH. SO AGAIN, LOOK AT OPTION A. THAT IS WITH THE BARRING OF THE 277 MILLION.

PAYING FOR PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST OUT OF THE IMPACT FEE FUND. YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR 2024-25, IT GOES NEGATIVE. THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. OPTION B WOULD BE THE BETTER PLAN, JUST PAYING THE PRINCIPAL PORTION OF THE DEBT. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT MAINTAINS A POSITIVE BALANCE IN 26 AND 27. IT DIPS TO ABOUT 3.9 MILLION, AND IT GOES BASED ON THE ACTIVITY THERE. AND THEN FOR THE WATER IN WASTEWATER, FOR THE FLAT FEE PER CUSTOMER PER MONTH. IT INCREASES THE IMPACT FOR THE OPERATING FUNDS TO HELP OFFSET AND PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL

COST. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. UNLESS YOU ARE CHANGING THE PROJECTS WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK UP AT OPTION A, YOU ARE PAYING 33 MILLION, THAT IS HOW MUCH HAS TO BE PAID IN PRINCIPAL INTEREST. BUT THEN DOWN BELOW YOU ARE PAYING THE 17 ONLY AND THEN SHOWING 1.7 MILLION COMING IN FROM THE RATE INCREASE. THAT DOES NOT TOTAL TO THE 33. SO, HOW CAN YOU ISSUE WHEN YOU ARE NOT PAYING INTEREST OWED? ON THE BOND.

EACH YEAR. >> YES, WHERE IS THE INTEREST

AT WITH OPTION B? >> THE INTEREST WOULD BE PAID OUT OF THE OPERATING FUNDS. THE OPERATING UTILITY FUND. THEY WOULD NOT BE PAID OUT OF THE UTILITY IMPACT FEE FUND. SO, WHAT IT IS SHOWING IS THAT WITH THE RATE INCREASE IN PAYING FOR THE INTEREST, YOU STILL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE IN

YOUR OPERATING. >> BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING , YOU STILL HAVE TO SHOW US WHERE THE MONEY IS SPENT, VERSUS WHAT IT IS ALLOCATED FOR. OTHERWISE YOU ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, $17 MILLION IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS OTHER FUND NOT EVEN LISTED

HERE. THAT IS A PROBLEM. >> OKAY.

>> THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT I PICKED UP ON TOO. WITH YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF -- YOU ARE SAYING WE HAVE GOT THIS OTHER FUND THAT WILL GENERATE 17 MILLION A YEAR SO DON'T WORRY. OPTION B IS THE WAY TO GO. BUT IF WE GO APPROVE THIS AND IN TWO YEARS, SOMEONE ELSE WILL COME UP AND GO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS IN THERE.

>> WHERE IS THE OTHER 17 MILLION AND WHY NOT ALLOCATED?

THE OPERATING FUND PER YEAR? >> IN THE OPERATING FUND ?

>> THAT IS OPERATION AND I CANNOT IMAGINE YOU COULD ABSORB ANOTHER 17 MILLION OUT OF THAT FUND IN THE YEAR. THAT

DOES NOT SEEM POSSIBLE. >> IF WE ARE MAKING THAT KIND

OF MONEY WHY BORROW MONEY? >> I GUESS I AM NOT FOLLOWING WHERE YOU ARE GETTING THE EXTRA 17 MILLION.

>> PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IS 33 MILLION. YOU ARE ONLY SHOWING 17 MILLION BEING PAID. AND SUPPORT ONLY. THE BOND PEOPLE WANT THEIR INTEREST. WHERE ARE YOU PAYING THAT INTEREST FROM? IF I TAKE 33-17, THAT IS 16 MILLION.

>> THAT IS FROM THE OPERATING FUND.

>> MY POINT IS THE OPERATING FUND IS NOT MAGICALLY GENERATE ANOTHER 16 MILLION, VERSUS WHAT IT GENERATES TODAY, JUST BECAUSE YOU AT A $10 FEE THAT BY YOURSELF ONLY GENERATES 1.7.

SO I AM CONFUSED. THERE IS A HUGE GAP HERE NOT EXPLAINED.

>> I AM NOT ENTIRELY SURE EITHER WHERE YOU GUYS ARE EITHER. WHERE YOU PULLING THE 33 MILLION? LET'S START THERE? CALL IT 30. THAT IS PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. WE ASSUME THAT WITH OPTION B, PRINCIPAL ONLY, THE DIFFERENCE IS 29. 30 MILLION. 6 MILLION. RID OF THE 24 IN INTEREST GO? THAT IS GOT TO BE PICKED UP SOMEWHERE. THEN THE NEXT YEAR YOU ARE AT 17

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ADD -- WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ADD 700 WATER LUE'S AND 1200 WASTEWATER, AND THAT , THAT 1200 WASTEWATER HAS GOT TO MAKE UP 17 MILLION OR $60 MILLION IN REVENUE.

>> YEAH, I'M TRACKING. >> OKAY, IF I COULD SAY -- BUT IT'S ONLY THE, THE NEW DEBT IS ONLY THE 22 MILLION DOLLARS.

THE 33 INCLUDES YOUR EXISTING AS WELL. IT'S ALREADY PAYING FOR THAT DEBT. SO OUT OF THE 22, 17 IS BEING PICKED UP HAS T

BETWEEN THE 17 AND THE 22. >> EITHER WAY. NEGATIVES ARE OPTION ASIAN WILL MEGAN IS AN OPTION B WHEN IT COMES TO DEBT.

WHETHER IT'S EXISTING OR NEW, IT'S STILL GOING TO ALL BE THE SAME, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T MISS SOMETHING IN OPTION B, I FEEL

LIKE. >> BECAUSE THE RATE INCREASES, PICKING UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR THE ADDITIONAL DEBT FOR THE

INTEREST PORTION. >> NO, IT'S ONLY DURING 1.7

MILLION. >> THAT'S THE EXCESS.

>> THAT'S FUNDS, THAT'S FUNDS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EXTRA, BECAUSE IT GOES 500 -- 3.5, IT'S ALL OVER THE

PLACE. >> OKAY, SO WE CAN, THIS IS CERTAINLY GENERATING A LOT OF CORRECTIONS. WE CAN BREAK IT OUT IN MORE DETAIL AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING GOT MISSED, AND THEN RE-SHARE IT BACK OUT. THAT WAY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THIS RIGHT, OBVIOUSLY. WE DON'T WANT TO SLIDE INTO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD OR HAS A, HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT. SO WE'LL, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, AND BRING THAT BACK. IT WOULD BE JUST THE NEXT MEETING. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE US A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO RECHECK ALL THE MATH AND THEN TO EXPAND IT. AND WE CAN EVEN GET THAT TO Y'ALL AHEAD OF TIME SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO, YOU KNOW, ANALYZE IT AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.

>> SO LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. SO I THINK I SEE WHERE IT'S GOING NEGATIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE ON, IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMN, THE VERY FIRST COLUMN, FY 23-24, YOU'VE GOT AN EXCESS, YOU'VE GOT, BASICALLY, A BALANCE OF $27 MILLION. AND THAT THE NEXT YEAR DROPS TO $70 MILLION, SO YOU'VE LOST $10 MILLION IN YOUR, IN YOUR ACCOUNT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE COVERING THE EXTRA, RIGHT? YOU'RE ALLOWING YOUR BALANCE TO DROP FOR FOUR YEARS, OR OVER THREE YEARS, FROM 27 TO 17 TO 9.7 TO 7.3, AND THEN IT FINALLY RECOVERS IN

27-28. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? >> YES.

>> SO WE, WE ARE CONSCIOUSLY SAYING WE ARE, I MEAN, WE ARE, THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA MONEY'S GOING, IS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DRAWING DOWN $10 MILLION A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS.

SO THAT'S YOUR $30 MILLION. AND THEN WE FINALLY, I GUESS, HAVE ENOUGH RAY USERS BY THE 27-28 YEAR, FIGURING THAT WE CAN BOUNCE BACK, AND WE'RE NOT GOING NEGATIVE EVERY YEAR?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, IF THAT MATH IS RIGHT, WHICH IS PRINCIPAL ONLY. SO IT'S 5.7 MILLION PRINCIPAL. SO WHERE'S THE

INTEREST? >> HERE.

>> NO, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU START OFF THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING UP HERE. FUND BALANCE. THAT'S YOUR, THAT

ACCESS, I GUESS, ENDING. >> YEAH. YEAH. I WOULD SAY I WANT TO SEE EVERY FUND THAT'S IMPACTED.

>> YEAH. >> AND WHERE THE MONEY MIGHT ESCAPE GOING OUT OF EVERY FUND THAT'S BEING PUNCHED AS PART OF THIS, NOT JUST THE SUMMARY.

>> RIGHT. >> AND THAT WE HAVE THE EXCESS FROM THE UTILITY RATE INCREASES. I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE FULL AMOUNT IS FOR THE UTILITY RATE INCREASE EACH YEAR. AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UTILITY RATE INCREASES. THIS ASSUMES EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME INCREASE. WELL, A SINGLE HOMEOWNER PAYING $10.00 A MONTH MORE IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE WATER USERS WHO ARE TAKING POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS OF LUV'S, AND THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PAY $10 MORE A MONTH, THAT'S REALLY NOT EQUITABLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING MORE OF THE NEED FOR THE ENHANCED CAPACITY THAN A SINGLE HOMEOWNER. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SCALING TO THAT RATE INCREASE SO THAT THE LARGEST WATER USERS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PAYING MORE THAN $10 A MONTH EXTRA.

>> AND I THOUGHT WE TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO DO IT PER CONNECTION. SO, LIKE, A MULTIFAMILY HAD 50. THEY HAD TO BREAK IT DOWN TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL, NOT SAY THAT IT'S

ONE UTILITY. >> WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT

WITH IMPACT FEES. >> NO, I THOUGHT WE DID --

>> YEAH, WE DID. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE OTHER

FEE THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH. >> RIGHT.

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>> THAT MAY NOT COVER THIS CASE, SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, A LARGE INDUSTRIAL USER WHO MIGHT USE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED LUVS. WE'VE GOT SOME APPROVED FOR MORE THAN THAT. THAT THEY SHOULD NOT JUST PICK $10 MORE.

THEY SHOULD PAY SOMETHING MORE PROPORTIONAL TO THEIR IMPACT.

>> AND IS IT $10 WATER, $10 WASTEWATER? SO IF I MAY WATER, CITY OF HUTTO WATER USER AND CITY OF HUTTO WASTEWATER, THIS PROPOSAL SAID $20. IT'S REALLY $20, NOT $10.

>> RIGHT, IT'S $10 EACH. >> $10 EACH.

>> MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WOULD THINK, OH, IT'S $10, AND THEN THEY WOULD GET THEIR BILLING FEE $20. I WOULD READ THAT, OH, IT'S $10 WATER AND WASTEWATER TOTAL. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. YEAH. IT SHOULD SAY RATE INCREASE OF $10 WATER AND $10 WASTEWATER FLAT FEE.

>> MAYBE A HUGE ASK. I'D LIKE THIS TO GO OUT TO, LIKE, 2033.

FIVE MORE YEARS? BECAUSE IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN UP HERE, WE STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT -- THE CCN IS OUTSIDE OF THE AND WOODLAND, THE MEGA SITE LAND, AND A FEW DEVELOPMENT HERE AND THERE. AND WHAT'S LEFT DOWN BY THE TREATMENT PLANT, THE, THE CCN'S ALMOST DONE. AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AGAIN TODAY, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ALONG. WE'VE GOT ED SCHMIDT PICKED OUT. WE'VE GOT KOMO CREEKS ALMOST DONE. WE'VE GOT IRONWOOD. AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME MASSIVE GROWTH COMING ON OUR WATER LUVS, AND THIS BUDGET, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS PREDOMINANTLY WRITTEN WITH IMPACT FEES. AND SO MY THEORIES, IS WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO UP, UP, UP, BUT NO ONE EVER BEEN ABLE TO SHOW ME WHEN WE STOPPED GOING UP. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, EVERYTHING IS BUILT INTO CCN, AND THEN THERE'S NO IMPACT FEES. AND SO, THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE WHEN, WHEN, TWO THINGS. WHEN DO WE RUN OUT OF MEETING THE LUE'S FOR WATER? I MEAN, SOMEONE ALWAYS TEAR DOWN A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND PUT A TOWNHOME OR SOMETHING. BUT WHEN DO WE STOP NEEDING LUE'S AS A CITY? THAT'S GOT TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEXT, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 10, FIVE YEARS? AND THEN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER LUVS COMING IN? OR, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE WATER IMPACT FEES COMING IN? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A ROBIN PETER TO PAY PAUL. I GET THE WASTEWATER, YOU GOT THE IMPACTS COMING IN, YOU BUILD A 6 MILLION GALLON PLANT, BUT WITH WATER, IF WE START TAKING LUES, OR IMPACT FEE MONEY FROM A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT NOW REQUIRES NEW CIP PROJECTS, BUT WE'RE USING THEIR IMPACT FEES TO PAY SOMETHING WE APPROVED FIVE YEARS AGO, IN FACT, WE'RE ALMOST KICKING A COUNT DOWN THE ROAD TO WHERE, AT SOME POINT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RECKONING. BECAUSE BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, ALBERTA, IT WAS $80-$200, NO GROWTH, $200. WITH $80-$200 INCREASE A MONTH. AND NOW WE FIGURED OUT IT'S ONLY $20. AND SO THAT'S A HUGE SWING. SO EITHER WE REALLY OVERESTIMATED BEFORE, OR WE MISSED SOMETHING THIS TIME. BUT WE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GO FROM $80-$200 TO THIS. SO THAT'S THE THING, 10 YEARS. ANOTHER THING. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THESE OTHER -- OH, HI, WAIT, THERE'S TWO MORE THINGS. 2022, WE DID 2000 HOMES. MASSIVE GROWTH. ASSER'S DEPARTMENT BARELY COULD HANDLE IT ALL. THAT WAS 11.4%. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, WHETHER IT'S THE LAW OF AVERAGES OR LAW OF NUMBERS OR SOMETHING, BUT WE GET BIGGER, AND THE BIGGER WE GET, THE FASTER WE'RE GOING TO GROW, TO WHERE OUR BUSIEST YEAR EVER WAS 11.4. AND WE'RE PROJECTING 9% THIS YEAR, 9% NEXT YEAR, 18.8%, 18.8 IN 15. AND I'M LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A SLOWDOWN? LIKE, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE HAVE A RECESSION, AND WE SLOW DOWN, OR COBIT OR SOMETHING. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS IS, IT'S GOING TO BE PAID FOR IMPACT FEES IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT GROWTH, THEN I GUESS IT'S CONCEIVABLE WE HAD TO MAKE WITH PROPERTY TAXES, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S AN OPTION. YOU CAN MAKE IT OVER PROPERTY TAXES, YOU COULD RAISE UTILITY RATES. THOSE ARE YOUR TWO PLACES.

>> I GUESS I SHOULD REPHRASE IT. WE'RE MAKING UP BY THE CUSTOMER, EITHER THROUGH PROPERTY TAXES OR RATES.

>> CORRECT. >> SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT ON THESE NUMBERS, BECAUSE IF WE JUST THROW NUMBERS LIKE WE DID WITH OUR SALES TAX ON A BUDGET TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME IN A LITTLE LOW, WELL THEN, IF 2025 IS 6%, THEN 2026 TEST TO BE, LIKE, 20%. AND 2026 IS 9%, 2027 -- I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY WAY TO, TO DO ALL THIS IS TO GROW THE CITY FASTER THAN WE'VE EVER GROWN THIS BEFORE. NOW, SOME OF IT I KNOW IS SOME INDUSTRIAL, SOME OF IT IS DATA CENTERS. BUT WHAT THE MATH IS TELLING ME, WE HAVE TO GROW THE

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AND THEN THE OTHER THING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, SO I GOT THE 209 .5 -- 209 MILLION 500,000 STUDY ON WATER PROJECTS. AND THEN WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO 178 MILLION. AND THEN I GOT THE ONE THAT'S LIKE THE ORANGE GREEN AND YELLOW.

OKAY. AND I MEAN, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, WE'RE NOW SAYING 67.5 MILLION OF THE PROJECTS WILL BE COVERED BY,

WILL BE COVERED BY THE TOURS? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M

RECOMMENDING, YES. >> 6 MILLION IN-HOUSE, WHICH I

GUESS THAT MEANS, LIKE -- >> OUR STAFF WILL DO THAT PROJECT, SO IT WOULDN'T COST THAT MUCH.

>> AND THEN 15.6 WILL BE DEVELOPERS.

>> CORRECT. OR SOME OTHER SPECIAL DISTRICT.

>> OKAY, SO THAT'S 67 MILLION. THEN YOU GET THE WASTEWATER, THAT SAME LOGIC. WE HAVE 89 MILLION GOING TO TERSE THREE.

SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, LIKE THE MEGA SITE WASTEWATER LINES, DO WE NEED THAT IN ORDER, LIKE, DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BUILT FORTH FOUR PEOPLE WILL BUILD BUILDINGS AT THE MEGA SITE?

>> YES. YES. >> OKAY. WELL, THAT'S, THAT ONE THING IS A 16, 17, THAT'S A $32 MILLION PROJECT THAT WE'RE SAYING THE TOURS IS GOING TO PAY FOR, BUT NO ONE WILL BUILD A BUILDING TILL HE SPENT A $32 MILLION. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET TERSE FUNDS UNTIL WE HAVE SOME KIND OF INCOME THAT PAYS THE DEBT SERVICE.

>> SO GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH HERS, AND LET'S GET BACK TO OUR PRESENTATION IN THE WORKSHOP. TOURS PROJECTS ARE UNDERWRITTEN BY YOUR TAXES. YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.

>> RIGHT. >> AND THEN AS THE TOURS GENERATES VALUE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS, THAT IT SHIFTS LIKE THIS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD ISSUE DEBT SERVICE THROUGH THE CITY'S PROPERTY TAX TO COVER THAT EXPENSE, AND THEN AS THE TOURS BUILDINGS VALUES ON THE GROUND GENERATE REVENUE INTO THE TOURS, THAT MAKES THE PAYMENT FOR THOSE INSTEAD OF THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT. SO THAT'S,

THAT'S DEBT SERVICE. >> YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT I JUST HEARD IS, WE'RE RAISING PEOPLE'S TAXES TO FUND $32 MILLION IN PROJECTS. WE BUILD THIS WASTEWATER LINE, AND THEN PEOPLE BUILD OUT THERE TO MEGA SITE, AND THEN THE VALUE COMES IN, AND THEN IN A YEAR OR TWO, WE CUT TAXES THAT DIDN'T TAKE IT AWAY. SO WHAT IS THAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? $32 MILLION, THE PEOPLE GOT TO PAY. HOW MUCH IS THAT? IF YOU SAY THAT'S TOO -- THIS IS WHERE I PANIC, AND PETER SAYS -- MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON SAYS THE GLASS ISN'T AS EMPTY AS I THINK IT IS. YOU GOT TO BORROW $32 MILLION TO GET ANOTHER PROJECT GOING TO MAKE SOME MONEY. WE'RE NOW, WE GOT AN $80 MILLION BRIDGE, WE'RE SAYING TIRZ THREE IS GOING TO PAY FOR.

WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT $67 MILLION IN WATER PROJECTS. WE GOT $90 MILLION IN WASTEWATER PROJECTS. HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS TIRZ GOING TO GENERATE? BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE ALMOST $200 MILLION IN PROJECTS THAT THE TIRZ IS GOING TO GENERATE, AND MY FEAR IS THE PROLOGUE IS PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ONE BUILDING, Q4 25 OR 20, YEAH, 25 , OR Q1, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A SECOND ONE Q4, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A THIRD ONE Q1 OF 26, AND I'M LIKE, YOU GUYS GOT TO BUILD, LIKE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOW GENERATING $200 MILLION IN DEBT WE GOT TO PAY A SERVICE ON AND A TIRZ. SO FOR ME, WE NEED SOME KIND OF MATH. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS USING FOR VALUATIONS? DID YOU THINK THE TIRZ IS GOING TO GENERATE EXIT AND THEN WE'RE GIVEN HALF OF THAT BACK TO THE , THE PROLOGUE IS PEOPLE. SO WHAT'S LEFT? BECAUSE IF YOU TELL US THE DEBT SERVICE ON $200 MILLION IS $30 MILLION , AND THE ONLY MONEY WE GOT COMING IN IS $28 MILLION, WELL THEN, WE JUST DID ALL THIS WORK AND ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND LOST MONEY. SO FOR ME, WE GOT TO SEE ALL THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE -- I FEEL LIKE WE'RE USING A LOT OF MATH TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK ON PAPER, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS I'M SCARED TO DEATH AT THIS POINT. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING, THIS IS JUST THIS ONE DEAL. WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING THE ROADS WE JUST HAD THAT MEETING ON. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT SOMEHOW I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS IS LIKE A DEVELOPMENT WE HAD PERFECT AIM WHERE WE SAW A LOT OF NUMBERS, BUT THEN IT WAS LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE, HOW DO YOU GET TO THIS? AND THEN THAT'S WHERE IT KIND OF BROKE DOWN, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? NOW THAT WE DID THE NUMBERS, THE TIRZ WILL GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR $200 MILLION IN PROJECTS. BECAUSE WE TOLD EVERYBODY THAT BRIDGES GOING TO BE THE TIRZ. NOW WE'RE MOVING -- ANYWAY. I'VE GOT SUBSTANTIAL CONCERNS LIKE I'VE

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>> YEAH, SO, MAYOR, HAPPY TO DO, HAPPY TO DO MORE OF THE MATH AND TO SHARE THAT OUT, AND I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. THE, THIS IS , THIS EXERCISE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE TIRZ PROJECTS, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT THE TIRZ COULD PAY FOR. AND WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS , THIS IS WHEN WE WERE BEING ASKED, WHAT CAN WE PROPOSE TO DO TO MINIMIZE THE RATE IMPACT TO WATER AND WASTEWATER USERS DIRECTLY? AND THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO OUR SHIFT THE BURDEN OF THE PROJECT TO ANOTHER PARTY, TO BUILD A PROJECT CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE THINK IT WOULD COST TO DO IT WITH A THIRD-PARTY, OR TO NOT DO THE PROJECT. SO THE GREEN AND THE ORANGE AND THE YELLOW ARE OUR ATTEMPT TO EITHER SHIFTED TO ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE, I.E. ANOTHER PARTY, THE TIRZ, OR DEVELOPER, OR IMPACT FEES DIRECTLY . THE GREEN WAS THE EFFORT TO DO IT FOR CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING THE COST TO BE, BECAUSE THESE ARE FAIRLY LINEAR PROJECTS THAT ARE FAIRLY EASY TO BUILD, AND THE STAFF COULD ARGUABLY BUILD THEM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH PREPARATION AHEAD OF TIME FOR A COST THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN. LEAVING THE WHITE TO BE PAID FOR ONLY BY, THE ONLY SOURCE REALLY AVAILABLE FOR THE WHITE PROJECTS WOULD BE THE, THE USER FEES. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO MORE MATH. WE'RE TRYING TO GET Y'ALL ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED AND HAVE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN GET TO A DECISION. SO, YEAH. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO MORE. IT'S

NOT A PROBLEM. >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER RATE INCREASE. WE HAVE 40 MILLION IN TIRZ PRODUCTS IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE FUNDING WITH OUR TAXES.

>> OKAY. THE FUNDING SOURCE WASN'T THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY $13 MILLION THAT FIRST YEAR. IT'S, THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE TO TIRZ 3, CORRECT?

>> WELL -- >> YOU'RE NOT PAYING $74 MILLION IN 2025. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE GOING TO ISSUE $75 MILLION IN DEBT WILL BE PAID BY OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS FROM THE TIRZ 3, CORRECT? SEE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING HUNG UP, BECAUSE JUST FROM THE ONE PROJECT , WHEN IT COMES ONLINE, IS GOING TO GENERATE ABOUT $21 MILLION PER YEAR IN ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE. MY QUESTION IS, JUST TO WHAT, IF YOU PRETEND WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT MONEY FOR ANYTHING ELSE BUT TO PAY DEBT SERVICE, HOW MUCH DEBT COULD $21 MILLION A YEAR, ASSUMING A 5% ISSUANCE COST, RIGHT, WHICH IS LOWER -- IS IT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY CAN GET ON THE MARKET? BECAUSE IT'S 4%. WE DID 5%. HOW MANY, ON A WET NAPKIN, $21 MILLION PER YEAR BEING PUT TOWARDS THAT, WHETHER IT'S ROAD , BRIDGES, WATER, WASTEWATER, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. JUST, YOU HAVE $21 MILLION IN REVENUE THAT YOU COULD PUT TOWARDS THAT SERVICE. THE QUESTION IS, FROM FINANCE, ABOUT HOW MUCH TOTAL DEBT COULD YOU ISSUE AND PAY $21 MILLION A YEAR IN DEBT SERVICE? BECAUSE THEN THAT KIND OF HELPS, AT LEAST YOU KIND OF KNOW YOU'RE IN THE BALLPARK OF WHERE YOU'RE AT. SO THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> YOU COULD DO $277 MILLION BASED ON THE SERIES 2024. THAT THE $19 MILLION YEAR THAT SERVICE.

>> OKAY. SO THE MAX THAT WE COULD ISSUE OUT OF THE TIRZ THAT COULD BE COVERED BY THE TOTAL TIRZ FOR ANY PRODUCT IS, LIKE, $277 MILLION. ON THE ONE PROJECT THAT'S IN THE TIRZ 3.

THERE'S MANY PRODUCTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE TIRZ 3, AND ALSO FOR THE BRIDGE, IT ALSO HITS TIRZ 2, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOTHING THERE YET. BUT, SO I'M JUST SAYING, WE KNOW THAT BY '25, YOU AT LEAST HAVE UP TO $277 MILLION. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT NOW, ONLY PLEDGING

13 AND 74 , SO. >> SO I HAD TO ASK, WHAT'S THE SOURCE FOR THE $21 MILLION? CAN YOU EXPLAIN $21 MILLION TO ME?

>> OKAY. SO IF YOU ASSUMED A $10 BILLION PROPERTY, YOU GET 50% ABATEMENT BACK, THAT'S 5 BILLION, AND THEN YOU DIVIDE THAT BY $100 VALUATION, AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY THE

TAX RATE. THAT $21 MILLION. >> OKAY. TWO PROBLEMS. THE $10 BILLION ESTIMATION WAS OUT OF ALL THE DATA CENTER BUILDINGS, NOT THE FIRST. THAT'S AN ESTIMATE. SO THAT IS NOT COMING IN ONE OR TWO YEARS. THAT WAS A PROJECTION GOING OUT MAYBE 10

YEARS FROM NOW. >> BUILDING THREE WAS 2026.

>> SO THAT'S ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT. PROBLEM NUMBER TWO WITH THAT IS THAT THE BULK OF THAT MONEY, FIRST OF ALL, THAT THE TOTAL PROJECT. I DON'T THINK YOU DISCOUNTED THE INCENTIVE THAT GOES BACK ON THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT IS NONE OF THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHERE THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY TAX COMES FROM , IS ELIGIBLE TO

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TAX MONEY. >> WHICH WE COULD HAVE BEEN

ALLOCATED. >> OKAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE TIRZ PAYING FOR IT IN THAT CASE. SO THE TIRZ DOES NOT HAVE $21 MILLION, AND IS NOT GOING TO HAVE $21 MILLION FROM THE DATA CENTER PRODUCT ANYTIME IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR, OR MORE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST --

>> BUT IT'S ALSO -- >> IT'S NOWHERE NEAR REALITY.

>> BUT THAT'S 200 ACRES OUT OF THE WHOLE 1500 ACRES OVER

THERE. >> OKAY, BUT YOU JUST PASTE YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ON $21 MILLION FROM A $10 BILLION PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND THAT WE HAVE TO PAY THE DEBT FOR UNTIL THAT KICKS IN,

EVEN IF IT DOES COUNT. >> THAT'S THE PART I THINK YOU MISSED. FOR TWO YEARS, LET'S SAY TWO YEARS, WE HAD TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON 50 OR $60 MILLION. OUT OF OUR OWN POCKETS. SO WE COULD JUST QUICKLY GO, YUP, LET'S VOTE AND DO IT, AND THEN WE GO OUT AND SELL THE BOND, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW, AND WE HAVE, LIKE, $130 MILLION IN DEBT, MUNICIPAL DEBT? SO WHENEVER OUR

INS PART OF OUR TAXES ARE -- >> IT'S $.14.

>> WHATEVER IT IS, YOU JUST ADDED SEVEN OR EIGHT CENTS TO THE PEOPLE TAX RATE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TELL THEM, ALWAYS, IT'S ONLY FOR A COUPLE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL THIS.

TRUST US, WHEN THEY BILLED ALL THIS, IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN.

YOU'RE HITTING PEOPLE WITH, JUST, A FLIPPANT, HITTING THEM

WITH A $0.08 INCREASE. >> HAD EVEN BEEN PROPOSED TO

THE TIRZ BOARD? >> NO.

>> NO. THE TIRZ HAS NOT HAD ANY TALK OF ACTUAL DOWNLOADERS, AND -- SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, OBVIOUSLY.

>> I THINK, ULTIMATELY, WE GOT TO COME CLEAN TO PEOPLE. $10 A MONTH IS NOT GOING TO COVER ALL THIS. I MEAN, TO ME, $10 THIS MONTH , OR THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR YOU HAD MORE, LITTLE BIT MORE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE PRUDENT IN THIS BECAUSE WE -- WHEN THE MAYOR PRO TEM AND I GOT ON HERE, THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT WAS PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE LAST WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DIDN'T FUND IT CORRECTLY. NEVER THAT ARGUMENT? AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS DONE. THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE PROBLEM.

IF WE DON'T DO THIS RIGHT, THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE US MOVE OUT OF HERE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE RECKONING COMES. AND I THINK THAT THE, THE QUICKER WE TELL PEOPLE WE HAD TO -- EVERYBODY ELSE IS RAISING FEES. WE SOMEHOW FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY IMPACT.

THIS IS WITH WHAT WE WANT THE TIRZ TO FUND IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS IS ABOUT 80, $88 MILLION OF DEBT, IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY THAT OUT OF OUR UTILITY FUND. THE TIRZ IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY REIMBURSE THAT.

SO IF WE'RE NOT PAYING IT OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE PAYING IT OUT OF PROPERTY TAX UNTIL THE TIRZ KICKS IN, WHICH MEANS WHEN WE GO OUT TO SELL THOSE BONDS, THEY WILL BE SOLD ON THE BASIS OF OUR PROPERTY TAX COVERING THEM. BECAUSE THAT, WE HAD TO BACK THEM UP. WE CAN SHIFT LATER WITH WHATEVER THE TIRZ BRINGS IN AND PAYBACK, BUT WE HAD TO COVER IT WITH PROPERTY TAX UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, AND THAT'S THE FIRST FEW YEARS AT LEAST, BECAUSE EVEN IF A DATA CENTER OPENED IN '25, THEN WE GET A PROPERTY TAX TILL '26, WHICH GETS PAID AT THE END OF '26. SO YOU'RE INTO JANUARY 2027 BEFORE YOU SEE A DIME OUT OF THAT.

>> DOES THIS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PROJECTS THAT THE TIRZ

BOARD HAS ON THEIR DOCKET? >> WE'RE WAITING ON THE MEGA SITE TO BE BUILT OUT. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, WE NEED PRODUCTS IN THE MEGA SITE, RIGHT? AND IF WE GOT TO PAY FOR THE WASTEWATER AND EVERYTHING BEFORE ANYTHING COMES IN, WE DON'T HAVE NUMBERS ON THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUATION OF THE TITANS SITE IS GOING TO BE. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE TIRZ BOARD. ALL WE'VE DONE IS FORM THE BOARD.

WE HAVEN'T HAD FINANCIAL DISCUSSIONS YET. SO WE, WE NEED

TO START DOWN THAT PATH. >> THAT SEEMS PUTTING THE CART

BEFORE THE HORSE RIGHT THERE. >> BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE NUMBERS THAT ARE FIRM ENOUGH TO GET VERY FAR WITH THE WHOLE PLAN EITHER. WE NEED TO START.

>> WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TAX INS RATE WOULD BE FOR THE CITIZENS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T GET ANY OF THAT IF YOU DON'T

BUILD IT. >> WELL, WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT IT WOULD BE BEYOND THAT, BECAUSE THE INTENTION IS TO BUILD THAT, BUT UNTIL SOMEBODY BUILDS, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT THEY'VE NEVER BUILT. AND THEN YOU'RE IN BIG

TROUBLE. >> WELL, WE CAN'T TALK UNTIL THINGS HAVE BEEN LEASED OUT ALREADY, SO.

>> UNTIL IT'S BUILT AND THEY'RE ON THE GROUND --

>> SO -- >> IS A RISK TO THE CITY REGARDLESS. HOW BIG A RISK, YOU CAN ARGUE. BUT IT'S A RISK.

>> LOOK AT FOX, MICHIGAN. THE CITY, THE STATES, AND THE COUNTY SPEND $1 BILLION, AND THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THEIR PLANT, AND THEY SPENT THE MONEY, THEN THEY BUILT A SMALL FRACTION OF IT AND SAID, ACTUALLY, THE MARKET TURNED.

AND SO THEY'RE STUCK WITH THE BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT SERVICE, AND UNTIL WE'VE TAXED IT AND CASHED THE CHECK, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN MAKE ANY DECISION. I THINK WE GOT TO --

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>> SO IF I MAY, WE'LL CERTAINLY DO MORE MATH. YES, THE TIRZ BOARD ULTIMATELY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE. WHAT I'M STATING HIS IS THAT ANY PROJECT THAT IN THE ORANGE, I'M RECOMMENDING WE PAY FOR WITH THAT SERVICE AT THE END OF THE DAY. IT'S THAT SERVICE. AND THE REASON THAT I'M SAYING THAT IS CALLED EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU WANTED THE TIRZ TO PAY FOR THESE , TIRZ, THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO DO A TIRZ. THERE'S THE PAY-AS-YOU-GO, RIGHT, AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE DEBT, AND THEN YOU BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THE THINGS COME, AND THEN YOU START MAKING THE PAYMENTS. BOTH OF THOSE REQUIRE THE CITY TO UNDERWRITE THEM WITH THEIR FULL FAITH AND CREDIT. BOTH. THE DIFFERENCE IS, ON A PAY-AS-YOU-GO, IT'S LIKE, YOU BUILT THE THINGS, AND THAT THE MONEY COMES IN, AND THEN YOU USE THAT TO REIMBURSE SOMETHING.

>> WELL, SUGGEST AMMA THE OTHER MODEL, OR ADJUSTMENT TO THAT MODEL, IS THE PEOPLE YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH TO BUILD IN THE TIRZ CONFRONT MONEY FOR SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND BE PAID BACK OUT OF THE TIRZ AS WELL. WHICH PUTS THE CITY AT LESS

RISK. >> THAT'S TRUE. SO THE PROJECT THAT ARE UP HERE ARE ONES THAT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WERE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DELIVER. SO THE WASTEWATER WITH LINES, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR A TITAN. THE SOUTHEAST WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR, THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE ARPA. THE GLENWOOD LIFT STATION AND ULTIMATELY TAKES ALL THE, ALL THE WASTEWATER OFF OF MEGA SITE AND OTHER PLACES. GLENWOOD LIFT TAKEN IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO SERVE THE MEGA SITE WITH WASTEWATER UNTIL THE SOUTHEAST WASTEWATER IS UP AND RUNNING. SO, SO THESE PROJECTS, AS I WAS THINKING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, AND IT WAS AN EXERCISE. I AGREE. AS I WAS THINKING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, IT WAS, WHICH OF THESE PROJECTS MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE, TO, TO BE PAID FOR WITH USER FEES OF WATER AND WASTEWATER CONSUMERS WHO ARE HERE TODAY, AND WHICH ONES MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE SPREAD OUT BECAUSE OF SCALE OR BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO THE WHOLE POPULACE OF THE CITY VIA PROPERTY TAXES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THERE IS ENOUGH VALUE FOR THE TIRZ, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE PERSONAL PROPERTY OR WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE ACTUAL PROPERTY TAXES GOING INTO THE TIRZ DIRECTLY , THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TIRZ , TO MAKE AND TAKE OVER THOSE PAYMENTS AND TAKE THAT BURDEN BACK OFF OF THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT WAS THE EXERCISE I WAS WORKING THROUGH , BUT, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE NOT SHOWING IS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, HOW MUCH VALUATIONS ARE EXPECTING? AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO ALL THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU COULD JUST REPLACE TIRZ 3 WITH FUND WITH TAX BACK TO THAT. AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST, I WAS SAYING, THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT DIRECTLY BENEFIT THE TIRZ THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE

TIRZ TO MAKE THE PAYMENTS. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WHEN PROMISES ARE MADE THAT, THAT WE HAD TO KEEP. WE NEED TO BE MORE MINDFUL GOING FORWARD WHAT WE MAKE PROMISES ON INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE NOT PROMISING TO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE GET A RETURN ON IT. THAT'S THE ISSUE, BECAUSE YOU COULD GO BUILD IT , AND THE NOBODY, NOBODY SHOWS UP.

>> RIGHT. NO, I COMPLETELY AGREE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT JANIE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S INHERITED, AND SHE UNDERSTANDS THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE IN AND HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY NOW, WHICH IS EXACTLY THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT THE CITY OR THE UTILITY OR THE EDC, FOR THAT MATTER, SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT TAKING ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T

HAVE AN ROI. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> OKAY, SO I'M VERY SIMPLE. I DON'T GO ON TO THE WHAT IF'S, WHAT COULD'VE HAPPENED, OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN FUTURE THINGS.

SO I'M SUPER SIMPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY WATER USERS WE HAVE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF HUTTO ONLY HAS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF OUR WATER USERS. AND HOW MANY WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS WE HAVE TOO. BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, MORE EXPANSIVE THAN OUR WATER CUSTOMERS. JUST KIND OF THE BASIC NUMBERS AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. AND I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PLAYS INTO ASHLEY'S ROLE, BUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE PROJECTING TO THE END OF 2024. SO THAT WE CAN PLAN, LIKE, AT LEAST, LIKE, THIS YEAR. BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSES THAT ARE GOING UP RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GETTING INTO THOSE

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>> YEAH. IT'S GOT A CURRENT, A CURRENT LUES, AND WHAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FOR, LIKE, BUSINESS IS BIRDLIKE, THE USERS, RIGHT? SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT THIS MONTHLY RATE INCREASE. SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS JUST TO KIND OF BRING SOME BASIC FOUNDATIONAL THING, LIKE, FACTS. OF OUR WATER CUSTOMERS AND OUR WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS.

SO THEN WE CAN THEN DECIDE ON A NUMBER. WE CAN TRY TO DO SOME

MATH. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. I THINK ALBERTA HAS THE NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE. SO SHE CAN REPORT THAT TO YOU RIGHT

NOW. >> PERFECT.

>> SO AS OF LAST MONTH, IN WATER, WE HAD 7958 CUSTOMERS.

AND WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS WERE 13,004 88.

>> YOU SAY THOSE NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME?

>> YES. WATER, 7958. AND WASTEWATER, 13,488.

>> AND ALBERTA, HOW MANY WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS ARE WE ADDING NOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN AND ABSORBED OVER THE, THE JONAH SERVICE AREA? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE IN FRONT OF YOU? THAT. DOESN'T INCLUDE -- BUT I THINK IT'S ANOTHER, LIKE, 800, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? NO? OKAY.

>> I DON'T KNOW. SORRY. >> DON'T LISTEN TO ME. I'M

JUST MAKING UP NUMBERS. >> NO, DON'T KNOW WASTEWATER.

SHOW FROM LAST MONTH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT TRANSITION EFFECTIVELY IS HAPPENING THIS MONTH WITH THE FIRST BILLING

GOING OUT IN APRIL. >> SO THEN HOW ARE THE NUMBERS PROJECTED IN THESE NUMBERS IF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE JONAH IN THERE? LIKE, FOR THE, THE REST OF THE YEAR?

>> WELL, THEY JUST TOOK THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS TIMES THE JONAH PAYMENT TO THE INCOME LINE OF THE OPERATING FUND.

>> GOTCHA. >> WE HAVE MORE CUSTOMERS THAN WE HAVE LUES BEING USED. I MEAN, MULTIFAMILY CELEXA

>> WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT LUES BEING USED?

>> WELL, IN 2023, WE HAD 7534 -- LET'S DO THIS. IN, IN 2023,

WE HAD 12,577 WATER LUES . >> THOSE ARE CUSTOMERS, SO ONE CUSTOMER THAT AN APARTMENT COULD HAVE 50 LUES, OR 150 LUES. SO YOU'RE COUNTING CUSTOMERS. THOSE ARE

CONNECTIONS CUSTOMERS, BILLS. >> RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE

AMOUNT OF LUES, 12,577. >> OKAY.

>> WE HAD 13,500 CUSTOMERS. >> WASTEWATER.

>> THAT'S WASTEWATER. >> RIGHT. SO WE HAVE 1000 MORE CUSTOMERS THAN WE HAVE LUES. NOW, USUALLY APARTMENT FOR HALF AN LUE, BUT THEN HUMVEE POSTS 10 LUES. SO HOME DEPOT IS A CUSTOMER. SO WE HAVE 1000 MORE CUSTOMERS THAN WE HAVE LUES. IF WE WERE HIGH IN MULTIFAMILY CITY, I COULD DO THAT, BUT IT

JUST SEEMS LIKE -- >> WASTEWATER LUES?

>> YEAH, WASTEWATER. IT JUST DIDN'T LIKE OUR NUMBERS -- I'M SAYING WE HAVE 1000 MORE CUSTOMERS THAN WE DO LUES.

>> SO IF YOU HAVE -- >> I WOULD IS THE MORE LUES AND CUSTOMERS. BUT IF YOU HAVE 2000 APARTMENT DOORS, THAT WOULD BE 1000 LUES, AND RIGHT THERE, THERE'S YOUR THOUSAND

DIFFERENCE. >> WE DON'T HAVE THAT. YOU'RE NOT COUNTING, YOU'RE NOT COUNTING THE CUSTOMER OF HOME DEPOT, WHICH IS MORE THAN ONE LUE, AND LOWE'S, AND EVERY RETAIL BUSINESS IS MORE THAN ONE LUE. A GAS STATION IS FIVE.

LUE CALCULATION -- >> MULTIFAMILY HERE IS, LIKE,

.6 OR .7. IT'S HIGHER. >> YEAH.

>> YOU GUYS GOT ANY MORE? OKAY. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENTS. MAYOR PRO TEM, I ALMOST TEARED UP A MINUTE AGO, I KID YOU NOT. THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE TIRZ . ARE THESE NOT IN OUR, THIS CALCULATION? BECAUSE THIS CALCULATION IS NOT THE TIRZ STUFF, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S ALL THE PROJECTS IN THAT CALCULATION.

>> SO THIS INCLUDES THE TIRZ ALSO.

>> YES. >> WELL, THAT MAKES THIS NUMBER BETTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE $80 MILLION IN PROJECTS PAID FOR BY THE TIRZ, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO RUN IT THROUGH THE IMPACT FEE, RATEPAYER.

>> YEAH, SO, IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE JANUARY WORKSHOPS, WE HAD PREPARED THESE ANALYSES WERE YOU. AND THE DIRECTION OUT OF THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT PROJECTS WE COULD SQUEEZE OUT ANY MORE THAN WE HAD ALREADY SQUEEZED OUT, AND COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF PAYING FOR

[02:35:01]

>> OKAY. >> SO THEN WHEN WE HAVE A -- SO OPTION B IS NOT ASSUMING YOU'RE TAKING $13 MILLION TO GET BACKED BY RATE FROM THE CITY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> OKAY. SO THEN , THEN, THEN WE ALMOST NEED AN OPTION C, ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE OPTION B EXPANDED, AND OPTION C NEEDS TO BE, BASICALLY, SOME PERCENTAGE OF DIFFERENCE OF OPTION B, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS $80 MILLION, OR ALMOST -- $85 MILLION, OR $88 MILLION, FROM INS RATE. BECAUSE THAT ALSO -- OR, OR A VARIATION OF IT THAT WE TWEAK OF WHAT WE KNOW.

BECAUSE -- AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WORST-CASE, WHICH IS THIS ONE, WHAT WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S EIGHT CENTS, FIVE CENTS, FOUR CENTS TO THE INS RATE FROM THE DAY TO TALK SO THAT WE KNOW, CAN WE EVEN DO, DO WE EVEN HAVE THE STOMACH TO DO THIS, AUGUST? SO GOT A LITTLE MORE WORK. SO WE NEED AN OPTION C ALSO. UNLESS THE PLAN IS , JUST GO WITH OPTION B, AND IT'S GOING TO BE PAID THIS WAY ONCE YOU SHOW THE REST OF THE STUFF AWARE THAT OTHER MONEY IS COMING FROM. AND THEN THE IDEA IS, WHENEVER TIRZ 3 COMES UP, WE THEN JUST START JUST REDUCING THE OPTION B COST WITH THIS TIRZ TAKING THAT DEBT SERVICE , IF IT'S REALLY NOT IN THIS CALCULATION HERE.

>> OKAY. YEAH. IF WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, JIM'S BONUS AND TO WALK THROUGH STRUCTURING THE DEBT AND ALL OF THAT WITH US, AND, AND HOW TO MITIGATE THOSE RISKS , I MEAN, SOME OF IT, YES, YOU CAN STRUCTURE DEBT SO YOU PAY LESS UP FRONT. BUT IF IT STILL HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AGAINST THE PROPERTY TAX, WE STILL HAVE TO PLAN AS THOUGH WE MAY END UP HAVING TO PAY IT

UNTIL WE DON'T. >> CAN I ASK ONE CLARIFICATION,

COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> SURE.

>> YOU SAID IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN AUGUST. WHAT DID YOU

MEAN BY THAT? >> IT WILL BE SETTING THE TAX

RATE IN AUGUST. >> OKAY.

>> FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. >> SO YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE FILL $80 MILLION IN DEBT IS?

>> I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT OVER AUGUST.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KNOW IT NOW SO THAT WE WILL KNOW BY AUGUST. WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN THE 23RD, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT THEN ALSO HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT AND HAVE THE REAL PACS NUMBERS OF WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO THE CITIZENS, AND THEN WHICH WAY WE WANT TO

GO? >> OKAY. THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL -- BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. BECAUSE WE CAN ISSUE DEBT NOW AND HAVE IT TO WHERE YOU DON'T MAKE A PAYMENT UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR HAS

ALREADY STARTED. >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, I SAID THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR. THAT'S THE BIG LINE THAT'S GOING TO RUN --

>> DOWN THE WILCO HIGHWAY. >> DOWN WILCO HIGHWAY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ONE THAT HAS THE, WE HAVE $10 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY, FROM ARPA AND WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES ON THAT? ARE WE ACTUALLY -- BECAUSE, I MEAN, I THINK OUR PARTICIPATION IS, LIKE, $50 MILLION, AND THEN THE $10 MILLION, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS ON THAT ONE? JUST ROUNDABOUT? AND DON'T WE HAVE A TIMELINE TO USE THOSE DOLLARS? AND I THINK WE'RE BEYOND THAT TIMELINE. SO THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FULLY FUNDED.

EXPERTS ON ARPA CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE HAD TO HAVE THE MONEY OBLIGATED, I BELIEVE, BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, AND THEN WE HAD TO SPEND IT BY, I THINK, EITHER THE END OF '25 OR

'26. >> '26.

>> '26. >> SO AN OBLIGATION WOULD LOOK LIKE, WE ARE ABORTING A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, AND IT IS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY. OF WHICH $10 MILLION OF THAT IS FROM ARPA FUNDS. THAT IS OBLIGATING IT. SO WE WOULD NEED TO AWARD THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THAT PROJECT PRIOR TO DECEMBER. AND THEN EXPEND IT BEFORE 2026. OR BY 2026.

>> YEAH. COMPLETELY PROJECTS, SPEND THE MONEY.

>> SO WHICH -- >> I WAS -- YEAH, GO AHEAD. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT THE IMPACT SCHEDULES, BECAUSE WE

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SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT, LIKE, WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE? WHAT'S THE IMPACT IF WE DON'T APPROVE SOMETHING

TONIGHT VERSUS -- >> WELL, I WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO APPROVE THESE TONIGHT, BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO APPROVE IS THE LIST. LIKE, THIS -- WE WORKED REALLY HARD TOGETHER OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO WHITTLE DOWN THE LIST, AND THE SCHEDULE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. AND IF THAT'S THE LIST, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL SAYS THIS IS THE CIP LIST THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TELLING STAFF WE WANT TO GET FUNDED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE MATH IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU CAN, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON, ON ISSUING DEBT THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY USER FEES, OR IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY DEBT SERVICE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD NOT BE TOO TERRIBLY FAR AWAY. BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, WE ACTUALLY EXPECTED TO HAVE ENDED IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY. AND NOW WE'RE HERE IN MARCH, AND BEFORE LONG IT WILL BE APRIL. SO WE'RE ALREADY HAVING A SIGNIFICANT SLIPPAGE. AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE, ARE CRITICAL, SO.

>> WELL, AND THE ASK IN THE TIRZ 3 CATEGORY FOR THIS YEAR 13 1/2 MILLION. IT'S NEXT YEAR WHEN IT'S 74 MILLION , NOT THE 13 1/2 MILLION ISN'T STILL A BIG NUMBER, BUT IT'S A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN, THEN WALKING OUT ON A $74 MILLION --

SO. >> WHAT'S 25 MILLION?

>> THAT'S JUST 13 FOR THE WATER --

>> OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S JUST ONE SIDE. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. 25, SORRY.

>> AND THAT 74 IS PREDOMINANTLY DUE TO THE SOUTHEAST WASTE LOOP SECTOR. THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER IS COMING FROM.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE CAN AT LEAST SAY I THINK THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO GET DONE.

WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT THE TIMING OF WHICH ONES NEED TO GET PAID, BUT THEY HAD TO GET DONE.

>> I AGREE. THIS IS THE PATH THAT WE'RE ON. I DON'T KNOW

HOW WE TURN OFF HIS PATH. >> RIGHT.

>> JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ON, ON TIGHTENING UP THE TIRZ 3 STUFF, AND, YEAH. I MEAN , YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE I DON'T THINK THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT WE'RE HAVING A LOT

THAT THEY HAD TO HAPPEN. >> WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO START PRODUCING ANY MONEY UNTIL 2027. AT BEST. LIKE, LET'S BE

REAL. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND WE'RE ALREADY AT 2025. >> CAN WE ADJUST CIP PROJECTS

THAT AREN'T ON THIS LIST. >> THAT ARE NOT? YOU WOULD LIKE

TO ADD SOMETHING TO IT? >> WE'VE APPROVED OTHER STUFF, AND PART OF MY ISSUE HAS BEEN, WE'RE APPROVING STUFF, AND WE HAVE MAJOR FINANCIAL DECISIONS, AND WE'RE OUT DOING ONCE, NOT NEEDS. IT DOESN'T MAKE A HUGE DENT, BUT --

>> IS A PART OF THE UTILITIES?

>> NO. >> OKAY. THEN I GUESS WE CAN'T, BECAUSE THAT'S THE AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? BUT NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO BORROW SO MUCH MONEY FOR UTILITIES, THEN YOU GOT TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH YOU BORROW IN

TOTAL, RIGHT? AND -- >> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M

TALKING ABOUT. THE, THE -- >> OH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THE LIBRARY OR THE POLICE STATION, CHIEF, HE DIDN'T HEAR THAT, BUT. ALL, ALL THESE THINGS WE KEEP -- WE'RE OUT SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DOING STUDIES ON, AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING THAT WHEN WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE BASIC THINGS WE NEED.

>> AT LEAST $100,000, NOT MILLIONS.

>> NO, BUT THE $750,000 WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR FOR THE STUDY ON THE PUBLIC WORKS. SO THAT'S $750,000 WE'RE GOING TO GO DO AND DO A FACILITY THAT THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO, WE CAN'T AFFORD FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO EVEN PAY FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER, SO THAT THE MILLION DOLLARS YOU COULD'VE KNOCKED OUT OF BUDGET. I MEAN, WE SOMETIMES IT'S TOO LATE, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET TO AT SOME POINT, BUT. SO WE NEED, SOMEONE NEEDS TO HAVE

THE COURAGE TO APPROVE THIS. >> THE LIST, NOT, NOT THE

FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE

LIST AS PRESENTED. >> THE REVISED, THE REVISED

LIST, RIGHT? >> SECONDED BY COUNSELOR

WILCOCK. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> CLEAR THE LIST TO REVISE --

>> THE REVISED LIST. >> REVISED LIST, YES.

>> IT'S THE REVISED LIST FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. YOU DIDN'T SAY SO, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

>> THE REVISED WASTEWATER PROJECTS LIST.

>> AND, AND, AND WATER. IT'S WASTEWATER AND WATER.

>> THE REVISED WASTEWATER AND WATER.

>> WHICH REVISION? >> THE REVISED.

>> THEIRS, WE GOT THREE OF THEM.

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>> NO. >> WE'VE GOT THE ONE, WE GOT THE TWO, AND THEN WE GOT THE ONE THAT SPLIT UP BETWEEN

WHAT'S GOING TO BE TIRZ -- >> NO, NO, NO. THE PROJECTS

LISTED THE SAME. >> OKAY.

>> THE PROJECT LISTED THE SAME. ALL THAT WAS WAS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT PAY FOR IT WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

>> REVISED PROJECT LIST. >> ALL RIGHT. ANNIE, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE MOTION?

>> SO IT'S THE LIST -- SO IF WE LOOK AT, LIKE, PAGE 111, THAT'S THE WATER LIST. AND IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 114, THAT'S

THE WASTEWATER LIST. >> I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE PROVING 112, WHICH IS A REVISED WATER LIST.

>> WELL, IT'S THE SAME LIST. ONE IS JUST -- ISN'T IT?

>> NO, NO. THE FIRST LIST WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE SECOND AND

THIRD LIST. >> THERE'S THREE VERSIONS OF EACH LIST. THE FIRST LIST WAS PARED DOWN INTO THE SECOND LIST, AND THEN THE THIRD LIST IS JUST CHANGING THE FUNDING.

>> YOU WERE APPROVING PAGES 112 --

>> AND I THINK 115. >> AND 115, RIGHT?

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS 116. >> I THINK 115 AND 116 ARE THE SAME. IT'S JUST, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE FUNDING.

>> YUP. >> BASICALLY YOU'RE ACCEPTING

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> WAS READY TO VOTE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, ACTUALLY, GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT THIS, THIS TOPIC. WHEN WE HAD OUR CIP SATURDAY MORNING, MATT ACTUALLY STARTED THE MORNING OFF, HEY, LET'S START OFF WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, AND THIS IS WHY I THINK SO. AND IT JUST KIND OF, LIKE, A GENERAL OVERVIEW, BUT HE TOTALLY GOT , AND WAS LIKE, OH, NO, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE EVERYTHING ON THIS, WATER AND WASTEWATER. LIKE, APPROVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ROADS. WELL, NOW HERE WE ARE, AND HE APPROVED EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE MOVED ON. I TRIED TO ADVOCATE, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER, BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT TOO SAVVY ABOUT. WE NEED TO DIG INTO THIS. AND, BUT HE TOTALLY GOT STEAMROLLED, EVERYBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ROADS. WE TALKED ABOUT ROADS.

WE KNOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF THAT, AND NOW HERE WE ARE TONIGHT, THREE-MONTH DELAYED ON THIS, NOBODY APPEARED KNOWS WHAT THE TREND OF 13 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. PART OF MY LANGWOOD APPEAR ON THE DAIS. BUT WE, THESE ARE BIG ASSISTANCE. AND, BECAUSE LAST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DAY IT WAS, MAY, WE TOTALLY RAILROADED A RECOMMENDATION OF TRYING TO DIG INTO THESE PROJECTS. HERE WE ARE MAKING LAST-MINUTE, OH MY GOSH, FREAKING OUT, AND WE SHOULD BE, BECAUSE HERE WE ARE.

BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ROADS ALL THE TIME, BUT HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, WATER AND WASTEWATER, THAT IS PERMANENT NEEDS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE CITY. AND IT'S JUST, WE'RE IN A BAD SITUATION, AND I HATE THAT THAT HAPPENED, SO THAT WAS RIGHT THEN, AND SO HERE WE ARE. HE'S HAVING TO WORK EXTRA HARD BECAUSE OF US WANTING TO TALK ABOUT, DINING, OTHER IMPORTANT PROJECTS, YES, ROADS, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING, SO.

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING. >> I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT. I THINK WE'VE BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PREACHING WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS RIGHT HERE. WHEN WE'RE APPROVING A PARK, WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. WHEN WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A LIBRARY, WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS.

SO I DON'T THINK MATT GOT STEAMROLLED. HE GAVE THE INFORMATION. WE JUST HAVE BEEN PUTTING OUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPING STAFF WOULD COME UP WITH THE SOLUTION, AND THEY CUT EVERYTHING THEY CAN. BUT -- ALL OVER THE INTERNET GOING, WE GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM COMING TO HUTTO , AND NO ONE'S LISTENING. SO I'M WITH YOU, BUT IT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T HOW I REMEMBER THAT MEETING. I REMEMBER GOING, WE GOT A PROBLEM, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. I HOPE I WAS GOING TO BE ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE IT COME TO FRUITION, BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES, IT'S LIKE, NO, YOU'RE OVER, YOU'RE OVERDOING IT.

YOU'RE TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE. AND NOW I LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE SCARING PEOPLE, BECAUSE SOMEONE'S GOT TO GO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC WE GOT ONE HELL OF A MESS COMING UP, AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT. YOUR WATER, YOUR CATS, YOUR DRAINAGE, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, LIBRARY FEES, I MEAN, WE'RE

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BUT -- >> BUT WE COULD'VE BEEN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION OVER THE COURSE OF NINE MONTHS VERSUS THE PAST, LIKE, WHAT, THREE OR 445 MINUTE SESSIONS.

>> I GET CRITICIZED ALL THE TIME FOR SCARING PEOPLE ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE SCARED TOO NOW. THAT'S TWO OF US, BECAUSE THIS IS A HELL OF A PROBLEM.

>> ABSOLUTELY. BUT PERCEPTION, THIS IS MY PERCEPTION OF WHERE WE'RE AT. AND SO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION OF IT.

THAT WAS HOW THINGS WENT DOWN, AND HERE WE ARE IN THE

SITUATION. >> ALL RIGHT. WHO'S CALLING A VOTE? WE'RE NOT BEING DONE BY 11:00.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.. PRINT 2729 24

>> AYE. TRENT 25 >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? TRENT 29 >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE

[12.2. Consideration and possible action dispensing with the second reading of Ordinance No. 0-2024-012, ordering a Special Election on Proposed Amendments to the Home Rule City Charter of the City of Hutto to be held on Saturday, May 4, 2024 (Legal)]

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHEN WE APPROVED THE ORDINANCE O 2024-012, WE DID NOT, IN THE NEXT ACTION, PASS A MOTION DISPENSING OF SECOND READING, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM ALLOWS YOU TO DO, JUST TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR

CHARTER. >> THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, SO

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER ORDER O-2024-012 AS PRESENTED.

>> WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT --

YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE HANDOUT THAT YOU GAVE WITH THE, THIS, MAY I ASK A QUESTION NOW ABOUT

THIS, OR NO? >> NO. I MEAN --

>> OKAY. >> AND LET ME ASK YOU TO REPHRASE YOUR MOTION. YOU SHOULD MOVE THAT THE GRADING OF THE ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2024-01 12 ORDERING THE SPECIAL ELECTION ON PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE HOME RULE CITY CHARTER OF THE CITY OF HUTTO BE DISPENSED WITH, BECAUSE THAT MOTION COMPLIES WITH HOW YOU DISPENSE OF SECOND READING.

>> ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT MOTION?

>> I ENTERED >> ARE YOU OKAY SECONDING THAT

MOTION? >> YUP.

>> OKAY. >> YES.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE. TRENT 26

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE

[12.3. Consideration and possible action designating independent legal counsel to advise the Ethics Commission and participate in hearings (Legal)]

AND PARTICIPATE IN HEARINGS. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION THE HUTTO CITY CODE THAT REQUIRES INDEPENDENT LEGAL COUNSEL UTILIZED TO ADVISE THE ETHICS COMMISSION AND PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARINGS, AND ALSO THE COUNCIL DESIGNATES AND RETAINS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL WHO SHALL BE A DULY LICENSED ATTORNEY IN THE STATE.

CURRENTLY, ALAN BORK HAS SERVED AS YOUR SPECIAL COUNSEL TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION PRIOR TO OUR LAW FIRM BECOMING THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY, AND THEN ALSO, YOU'VE UTILIZED ROSS FISHER FOR SPECIAL ETHICS ISSUES. THOSE ARE THE TWO ATTORNEYS THAT YOU USED. ALAN, WHEN HE WAS SPECIAL COUNSEL, HAD MADE RECOMMENDATIONS OF AMENDMENTS TO THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, AND YOU CAN, IN THIS ACTION, ALLOW HIM TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE THAT, AND THEN MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS , FOR LAW FIRMS, AND NEITHER HAD THE ETHICS COMMISSION REVIEW THAT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, OR HAVE A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS IF YOU WANT TO POINT. ALAN BORK IS TO CONTINUE TO AMEND THE ETHICS ORDINANCE, THE PROJECT THAT HE STARTED, OR TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO AN RFP AND HAVE THAT ATTORNEY AMEND THE ORDINANCE, WORK WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION, AND BE THEIR LEGAL

INDEPENDENT LEGAL ADVISER. >> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE RFP FOR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THIS COMMISSION INTERVIEW THE

ETHICS CODE AS WELL. >> I SECOND.

>> MAYOR, WOULD YOU -- COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER WILCOCK. DISCUSSION?

>> YES SIR. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THIS FOR COUNSEL TO DO?

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>> YES, PLEASE. >> YEAH. I CAN DO THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNSEL NUMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

[12.4. Discussion and consider action regarding selection of up to two City Council Members to attend the upcoming International Conference of Shopping Centers (ICSC) Tradeshow and Conference May 19-21, 2024, with all associated costs to be paid by the Hutto Economic Development Corporation (HEDC)]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12.4, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING SELECTION OF UP TO TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE UPCOMING INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF SHOPPING CENTERS. I CSC TRADESHOW AND CONFERENCE MAY 19TH THROUGH 21ST, 2024, WITH ALL ASSOCIATED COSTS TO BE PAID BY THE HUTTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

>> HI, GOOD EVENING. SO THIS OPPORTUNITY IS FOR COUNCIL TO SELECT UP TO TWO MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE ICSC CONFERENCE , THE NATIONAL TRADESHOW IN LAS VEGAS THIS YEAR. THE EDC HAS APPROVED THE REALLOCATION OF FUNDS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SPEND ON AN EXHIBITOR BOOTH. THEY HAVE ELECTED TO FORGO THIS OPTION THIS YEAR, AND INSTEAD USE THAT MONEY TO SPONSOR UP TO THE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS TO ATTEND INSTEAD. THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT OPPORTUNITY IN THE PAST, AND THAT'S BEEN CONFIGURED A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS, DEPENDING ON WHICH COUNCILMEMBERS WIN AND WHAT THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH

REGARDING THE FUNDING. >> A VERY POLITICAL WAY OF SAYING THAT. I'M WILLING TO GO, BUT I'LL PAY. IF YOU GUYS LET ME, I'LL JUST PAY, I'LL PAY FOR AIRFARE AND A HOTEL.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK I DID , I THINK I DID LAST YEAR. MAYBE I PAID THE TICKET TOO. I CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> I'D HAD TO LOOK AT -- >> YEAH, AND I GUESS FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT, IF YOU GUYS ARE CONSIDERING WHICH COMPONENTS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE PAYING FOR, WE PREFER THE EDC PAID FOR. THEY COMMITTED TO PAYING FOR ALL OF THEM, SO THAT INCLUDES YOUR I CSC MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION, WHICH GETS YOU A DISCOUNTED TICKET, AND SO IS A BETTER VALUE. THE EVENT REGISTRATION, AIRFARE, GROUND TRANSPORTATION, YOUR PER DIEM, AND THE MONORAIL TICKET FOR THREE DAYS TO GET TO AND FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. I FEEL LIKE I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING. HOTEL, THANK YOU. YES. HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.

>> WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE THIS YEAR FOR SOME REASON.

>> I GOT IT. YOU HAVE TO BE THERE ON A SUNDAY.

>> YES. IT'S SUNDAY THROUGH TUESDAY. CORRECT. THE FLIGHT I HAVE BOOKED FOR THE EDC BOARD RIGHT NOW ARE SUNDAY MORNING.

YOU ARRIVE , BUT THE POINT OF GOING TO VEGAS. ONLY TAKES AN HOUR. SO YOU'LL GET THERE LATE MORNING, AND THEN YOU LEAVE TUESDAY AFTERNOON. SO IT GIVES YOU THE FULL OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO ALL OF THE KEYNOTES, EXHIBITOR HALL, THE GENERAL SESSIONS THAT ARE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, SO IT'S --

>> WE SHARE THE GREAT LEADERSHIP SEMINAR, IF YOU

REMEMBER. >> YES.

>> VERY GREAT NAME. I DON'T HAVE MY SHOES ON.

>> WHO WAS IT? SHACK? >> ANDY REID.

>> OH. SHOULD'VE BEEN SHACK. >> JANIE LOST HER PHONE. WE HAD TO BREAK OUR WAY BACK IN, INTO THE PLACE.

>> OH MY GOSH. >> WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS,

MAYOR. >> CLEARLY NOT HERE.

>> WE BONDED. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, OR DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT IN TERMS OF, WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO CUSTOMER CLERK AROUND EDC, THE ISSUE I RUN INTO A LOT OF TIMES IN GOVERNMENT IN MY DAY JOB IS GOVERNMENT PEOPLE, THEY LIKE TO TELL BUSINESSES, IF YOU DO THIS, IT'LL WORK. AND IF YOU DO THIS, IT'LL, YOU'LL BE SUCCESSFUL. AND WHEN YOU GET THERE, YOU CAN TALK TO DEVELOPERS, YOU CAN TALK TO THE END-USERS, YOU CAN TALK TO EVERYBODY WHO'S SOMEBODY IS THERE AND YOU CAN JUST ASK THEM QUESTIONS, LIKE, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF HUTTO? MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD OF HUTTO, THEY'VE HEARD OF ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, AND A PART OF HUTTO. IS NOT WHERE THEY'RE GOING. AND THEN THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING IN TERMS OF RESTRICTION AND ZONING AND WHO THEY LIKE TO BE AROUND. ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO THEN, I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL FOR, THEN, YOU TO GO COME BACK FROM IT, AND GO, I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT ON SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS. THE DEVELOPERS ARE GREEDY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. BUT THE END-USERS ARE THE ONES THAT YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL TRADER JOE'S, AND THEN YOU MEET WITH THEM AND YOU REALIZE THEY'RE NOT COMING TO HUTTO. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET A COMPANY THAT WILL COME TO HUTTO, AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO EARN SOME OF THAT. NOW THAT WHOLE FOODS WOULDN'T, WHEN THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND AND CALM TO THE CUT

OFF OR SOMETHING. >> SO WHO ALL IS GOING FROM THE

EDC? >> GREAT QUESTION. SO, SO FAR, WE HAVE, I SHOULDN'T SAY SO FAR. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT

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THOMPSON. >> AND THEN ARE YOU GOING?

>> I AM NOT. OUR NEW BUSINESS RESOURCE SPECIALIST WILL BE

GOING, KRISHNA. >> OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A STAFF

MEMBER. OKAY. >> KEEP US IN LINE. WHO IS

INTERESTED IN GOING? >> I'M INTERESTED IN GOING. I WANTED TO GO LAST YEAR, BUT I COULDN'T DO IT FOR OTHER OBLIGATIONS, BUT. I KNOW YOU WENT LAST YEAR, CORRECT?

>> YEAH. I'M UP FOR ELECTION THIS YEAR, SO IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO GO A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER AN ELECTION THAT I

COULD VERY WELL LOSE, SO. >> SAME THING FOR --

>> TO THE OTHER OF YOU TO WANT TO GO?

>> I, YEAH. I CAN, I CAN GO. I COULDN'T, YEAH, I COULDN'T LAST YEAR. CAN'T NEXT YEAR. SO I GUESS MAYBE THIS YEAR. BUT

I'M INDIFFERENT. >> WHY THE WEST YOUR SPARK.

>> >> ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT MAYOR SNYDER, COUNCILMEMBER CLARK WILL BE THE TWO COUNCILMEMBERS TO GO.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN?

>> I HAVE NOT. >> I MEAN, YOU CAN.

>> I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. >>

>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM

GORDON. >> SO I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS WAS, I HAD A THOUGHT OF THIS, OF MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON ALREADY GOING, BECAUSE HE'S PART OF THE EC. MAYOR SNYDER IS WILLING TO GO, AND FOR A LOT OF THE BILL HIMSELF. WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO SAVE THAT MONEY INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO MORE COUNCILMEMBERS GO AND MAYBE SET ASIDE SOME MORE MONEY FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO THE NEXT TIME THE COUNTY GOES TO SOUTH KOREA? AND THEN SOMEBODY WITH THAT DELEGATION?

>> OH! THAT'S -- >> THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION, A PRETTY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH MAYOR RAY DEL, AND HE SAID THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT HAVING A PRESENCE THERE. I MEAN, THOSE, HE SAID THAT EVERYONE OVER THERE, IT'S, IT'S NEW YORK, LOS ANGELES, AND TAYLOR, TEXAS. LIKE, ALL ON THE SAME LEVEL. AND THEN, LIKE, ROUND ROCK, ANYONE ELSE THERE WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE A SUBURB IN TAYLOR, YOU KNOW? WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE NEAR TAYLOR, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, EVERYTHING WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT PALER, AND WE GOT THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE THAT MAY BE BETTER, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A COUPLE COUNCILMEMBERS COVERING. MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MONEY THAT ARE SPENT IF THE EDC SET IT ASIDE FOR THAT RATHER THAN SENDING WHAT WOULD BE FOUR

COUNCILMEMBERS TO THIS. >> I LIKE THAT. THAT'S A

REALLY GOOD THOUGHT. >> HERE'S MY CONCERN WITH KOREA. THOSE ALREADY ABLE GOING TO VEGAS. KOREA, I CAN SEE TAYLOR HAVING VALUE, BUT WE DON'T HARDLY HAVE ANY LAND LEFT TO SELL THAT WE EVEN OWN OR CONTROL. AND SO WE ALREADY CAN HANDLE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING. THE WATER, WASTEWATER. SO TO ME, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED TO BE, WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE WORRYING ABOUT THE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IS, HOW DO WE GET ANOTHER GROCERY STORE TO COME TO OUR TOWN AND MEET WITH THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT? AND TO ME, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, HOW DO WE FILL THE NICHE NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS? BUT THE GUYS -- I'LL BE HONEST, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY, I THINK WILLIAMS COUNTY IS WASTING THE MONEY

GOING TO KOREA. >> I DON'T THINK SO. WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH Y'ALL GOING TO VEGAS?

>> IT'S THE BACK-AND-FORTH. >> HERE'S WHY I THINK WE WASTE OUR MONEY GOING TO KOREA. WHOEVER GOES. THERE IS SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND STUFF GOING IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. WE CAN'T BUILD THE ROADS FAST ENOUGH, WE CAN BRING THE WATER HERE FAST ENOUGH. THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

NO ONE'S LOOKING FOR A JOB. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOMES FOR ANYBODY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SCHOOL AND ALL EVERYBODY'S DOING IS, THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE GROWTH. WE JUST NEED ONE MORE EMPLOYER. BUT NO ONE'S LOOKING FOR JOBS. SO ANY DOLLARS YOU SPEND IN MY OPINION, AS WRONG AS I MAY BE, TRYING TO LOWER ANOTHER MEGA COMPANY TO OUR AREA, IT JUST COMPOUNDS A PROBLEM WE ALREADY HAVE. WHEN WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS HOW DO WE PAY FOR WATER? HOW DO WE PAY FOR WASTEWATER, AND GOOD GOD, CAN WE GET A SECOND GROCERY STORE IN HUTTO WITH A COUPLE SITDOWN RESTAURANTS? WE CHECK

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>> WHOA, LIKE, OKAY. >> WHAT?

>> SO, SO GOING TO VEGAS THE DAY SCREWING AROUND ON THE TAXPAYER DIME, BUT GOING TO KOREA IS? SO, I GUESS, LET ME JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ACTUALLY GOING TO KOREA, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR HAS TALKED TO ANYONE WHO'S GONE THERE, EXPERIENCED THAT. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER BIG SAMSUNG TO COME. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ALL OF THESE OTHER SOUTH KOREAN BUSINESSES THAT ARE TIED TO SAMSUNG ARE NOW HAVING A LOT OF INTEREST IN BEING NEAR SAMSUNG. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE, THAT ANYONE IS OVER THERE TRYING TO LAND THIS BIG THING THAT'S GOING TO SAVE HUTTO . IT IS GETTING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN THESE SAMSUNG SUPPLIERS ARE STARTING TO LOOK, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ROUND ROCK AND GRAVELLE. THEY'RE GOING TO HUTTO. THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE HUTTO IS, THAT HUTTO IS A PLACE ON THE MAP FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE NEAR , BECAUSE IF, IF, IF EVERYONE ELSE IN THE REGION IS COURTING AND GETTING TO KNOW AND GETTING RELATIONSHIPS BUILT WITH ALL THESE OTHER SAMSUNG SUPPLIERS OR OTHER, OTHER COMPANIES, MAYBE NOT EVEN A SAMSUNG SUPPLIER, BUT THEY MAY BE, LIKE, SOMETHING TO THIS TAYLOR PLACE MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THAT AREA. THEN WE MISS OUT.

WE MISS OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

AND SO I REALLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOING TO SOUTH KOREA AND GETTING SOME OF THESE GREAT BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE A GREAT TIE IN FOR SAMSUNG, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS. WE'VE GOT A SAMSUNG SUPPLIER GOING INTO THE CO-OP.

AND, AND THEN GOING TO ICS EAT AND GOING TO VEGAS AND TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE, TRYING TO COME TO, TO, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. AND OF ELEMENT IS DEVELOPMENT. YOU EVEN GO TO, YOU EVEN GO TO LAS VEGAS IN COURT THOSE INDIVIDUALS, OR YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO SOUTH KOREA AND COURT THOSE INDIVIDUALS. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH THE CONSIDERATION OF GETTING THOSE, THOSE CONTACTS MADE, WHICH WE REALLY DON'T HAVE NOW. WE'VE BEEN TIE CSC. WE'VE BUILT SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE. THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE. MAYBE NOT EVERYONE, BUT A LOT OF THEM DO, AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH KOREA DON'T. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

>> I WAS WITH A COUNCILMEMBER FROM KRUGERVILLE EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND WE RAN ACROSS A GROUP FROM SAMSUNG, AND THEY ARE ANOTHER BUSINESS COMING TO TAYLOR FROM SAMSUNG, AND THERE IS TWO FROM PFLUGERVILLE GOING OVER THERE TO MEET THEM, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES COMING. AND THEY STRAIGHT UP ASKED US, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO GET HIM OF THOSE BUSINESSES TO COME TO HUTTO? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTICED THAT EVERYONE'S SKIPPING US AND GOING TO THE CITIES AROUND US. SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BECAUSE IT, IT'S TRUE. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GET THEM.

>> YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT COMING HERE?

>> THEY DON'T KNOW US. WE HAVEN'T BUILD RAPPORT FOR

THEM. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE COST IS TO GO TO KOREA? LIKE, JUST, I KNOW THE EDC'S WOULD SUPPORT ME GOING, BUT GIVING BACK THAT SALARY IN ORDER TO FUND THAT, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, IF HE RECOMMENDS SOMEBODY ELSE TO GO AS WELL, WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, WITH THAT I

CSC FAIR HELP YOU OUT? >> WELL, YES, AND I THINK WHEN WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A BUDGET LAST YEAR, WE HAD BUDGETED $11,000 FOR A KOREA TRIP FOR TWO, SO I WOULD ASSUME APPROXIMATELY THAT AMOUNT, SO ABOUT $5500 PER PERSON.

>> SO THEN, COULD MY FEAR BE REFUNDED TO GO BACK TOWARDS --

OR IS IT ALREADY PAID? >> I'VE ALREADY BOOKED EVERYTHING FOR THE EDC, SO I HAD TO LOOK, BUT I APPRECIATE

THAT. >>

>> WHAT'S THAT, SORRY? >> WE'RE HERE ON THE COUNCIL SITE. WE CAN SAY WHAT WE LIKE TO DO, BUT THE EDC HAD TO

DECIDE. >> YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF Y'ALL WERE TO CHOOSE TO NOT ACCEPT THE TWO, UP TO TWO SPONSORSHIPS, THAT BY APPROVING THOSE FUNDS TO BE REALLOCATED IN A SPECIFIC WAY, THEN THE EDC BOARD WOULD ALSO HAVE TO APPROVE THAT IN ORDER TO REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROCESS. SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF THE REVERSE. LIKE, I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THEY ALREADY APPROVED IT, BUT IF YOU SAY NO, PLEASE SPEND IT HERE, THEN I WOULD JUST TAKE IT BACK TO THE BOARD, AND THAT WOULD BE

THE FINAL APPROVAL THERE. >> I LIKE THAT.

>> RIGHT. WE ACTUALLY ALREADY DID THAT ONE PERSON TO KOREA,

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>> CORRECT. >> SO I DON'T KNOW IF FUTURE TRIPS ARE PLANNED, BUT OUR AGENDA ITEM IS NOT ABOUT TRIPS TO KOREA. IF THE COUNTY PLANS FUTURE TRIPS, THOSE SHOULD BE LOOKED AT TO SEE WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO GO OR NOT, BUT THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.

IT'S JUST ICSC. >> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FUNDING.

>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, THE EDC CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THE MONEY AT THIS POINT. SO.

>> RIGHT. BUT IF WE SAY YES IT IS, THEN THE EDC CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE MONEY. ANYWAY. I BROUGHT IT UP AS A,

AS A DISCUSSION POINT. >> I HAVE MET WITH KOREAN COMPANIES, OKAY? PERSONALLY I MET WITH THEM. THE REASON THEY'RE NOT COMING TO HUTTO, THEY KNOW HUTTO. THE REASON THEY'RE NOT COMING TO HUTTO, WE CAN'T GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AND BREAK GROUND, AND WE'RE BUILDING A ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BEFORE THEY CAN BREAK GROUND. AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT.

BECAUSE SAMSUNG DOESN'T SAY THAT'S OKAY, WHENEVER HUTTO BUILD A ROAD, YOU BUILD IT, AND START WATCHING OUR PARTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE ARE OUR OWN PROBLEM UNTIL WE FIX OUR INTERNAL ISSUES, AND WE GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DONE . THEY'RE GOING TO WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY. SO GOING TO KOREA, YOU JUST LOOK DUMB, BECAUSE YOU GO TO KOREA, YOU SAY, HEY, COME CHECK IT OUT, AND THEY GO, THAT'S A GREAT SITE, THE MEGA SITE. WHEN WILL THAT ROAD BE DONE? Q3 OF

'25. >> WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF, LIKE, COUNCILMEMBERS AND -- GOING TO THIS? BECAUSE IF MOST OF THEIR LAND ON THE MEGA SITE IS SPOKEN FOR AT THIS POINT, AND THEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPER FOR MIDWAY FOR COTTONWOOD, I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S A DEVELOPER ALREADY IN LAND BOUGHT BY OTHER USERS THAT CAN

THEN PICK THEIR USERS. >> THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

>> SO -- >> IT'S NOT, YOU GO THERE, SPORT CLIPS IS THERE. BURGER KING. EVERY SINGLE SITDOWN RESTAURANT THAT'S, THAT'S A REGIONAL BRAND . BRINKER IS THERE. IT'S EVERY SINGLE THING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PEOPLE, THERE'S NOT INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE THERE, LIKE, HEY, I'M LOOKING FOR 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

IT'S, IF YOU WANT A LOWE'S TO COME TO TOWN, YOU CAN MEET WITH THE -- THE DEVELOPER -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THIS. THE DEVELOPER WILL PLAY A GAME WITH YOU AND TELL YOU, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING HERE, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO YOU CAN GO MEET WITH THE ACTUAL LOWE'S EMPLOYEE, THE ACTUAL HOME DEPOT, WHATEVER BUSINESS YOU -- WHOLE FOODS? YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO A DEVELOPER TELLING YOU KNOW BECAUSE THEY GOT A BETTER DEAL FOR A WHOLE FOODS. YOU MEET WITH THE ACTUAL WHOLE FOODS INDIVIDUAL AND LEARN WHAT IT IS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING A GROCERY STORE IN, AND THEN WE CAN THEN, MY HOPE IS, WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, YOU USE THAT INFORMATION IN YOUR MARKETING MATERIALS, IN YOUR DISCUSSION. WHEN WE VOTE UP HERE, I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE.

WE'RE LIKE, NO, THEY'LL BE FINE WITH THAT. NO THEY WON'T.

YOU CAN CHECK THE COMPANY OFF WITH ONE RUN VOTE BECAUSE OF AN ORDINANCE ON SIGNAGE, OR AN ORDINANCE ON ACCESS. YOU CAN LEARN ALL THAT THERE. TO ME, THAT IF THE WHOLE COUNSEL COULD GO, THEY SHOULD GO, NOT DO A QUORUM, AND LEARN ALL ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT AN ACCESS PLAN IS TO AN END-USER. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T VALUE THAT. THAT'S WHAT YOU GO THERE FOR. IT'S NOT TO PICK A MIDWAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU HARDLY ANYWAY. THEY WON'T -- THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. THAT'S WHERE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN KOREA. IT'S THE ACTUAL END-USER. I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE. HOW FAR OFF AND I?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT VARIES BY EVERY PERSON. LIKE, FOR ME, I REALLY ENJOYED ALL THE EDUCATIONAL SESSION TO LEARN ABOUT TRENDS IN THE MARKETPLACE. ODDLY ENOUGH, THE MOST FASCINATING SESSION I WENT TO WAS ABOUT PARKING LOTS, THE EVOLUTION OF PARKING LOT AS IT EVOLVES WITH TECHNOLOGY, SO THEY'RE JUST REALLY INTERESTING THINGS THAT I THINK WILL HELP BUILD A GOOD KNOWLEDGE BASE FOR THIS COUNSEL WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT AS VARIOUS OPPORTUNITIES COME TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. THERE'S ALSO A REALLY GREAT NETWORKING OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S OTHER CITIES IN ATTENDANCE THERE, SO YOU CAN GO AND , YOU KNOW, NETWORK WITH THEM, ASK QUESTIONS, MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS SO THAT YOU, AGAIN, HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF REFERENCE AS WE START TO NAVIGATE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

>> >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE CALL THE BOAT. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> WAIT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS EMOTION? SORRY.

>> TO, SNYDER AND -- GOT HIS TICKET PAID FOR, AND HE'LL PAY

THE HOTEL AND AIRFARE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

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>> NAY/.. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> NAY. TRENT 24 >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> MAYOR SNYDER? -- >> NAY..

[12.5. Consideration and possible action on the renegotiated management agreement between City of Hutto and the Directors of Chaos for Brushy Creek Amphitheater (Kristi Barnes)]

>> MOTION FAILS. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 12.5, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RENEGOTIATED MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN CITY OF HUTTO AND THE DIRECTORS OF CHAOS FOR BRUSHY CREEK AMPHITHEATER.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KRISTI BARNES, COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PROGRAMS MANAGER. WE ARE JOINED TODAY, THIS EVENING, WE DO HAVE 10 P OPEL ONLINE, AND CHRIS STONE IS HERE IN PERSON TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A BIT OF CONTEXT, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED THE FULL PACKET THAT INCLUDED SEVERAL ATTACHMENTS. WE'VE MET QUITE EXTENSIVELY OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, SINCE THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING WHEN IT WAS DIRECTED TO EXTEND THE CURRENT AGREEMENT BACK AND FORTH WITH LEGAL, WITH THE DIRECTORS OF CHAOS, AND STAFF. SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED, AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND IF WE NEED TO BRING HIM OR

CHRIS ON AS WELL. >> ALL RIGHT, QUESTIONS FROM

COUNCIL? >> I'LL START THE QUESTIONS, AND THAT ALWAYS GETS QUESTIONS GOING. IN PARAGRAPH 6-1 , YOU GUYS SAY YOU'RE GOING TO ORGANIZE AND CONDUCT A TARGET OF UP TO EIGHT COMMUNITY-ORIENT ED CONCERTS, CULTURAL EVENTS,

FAMILY-FRIENDLY EVENTS. >> CORRECT.

>> SO YOU GOT A NUMBER THAT YOU CAN DO. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT? ARE YOU DONE? WHAT'S THE PENALTY FOR, FOR

GIVING YOU THIS OPPORTUNITY? >> CHRIS STONE, DIRECTORS OF CHAOS, FOR THE RECORD. WE ARE SHOOTING FOR THAT, OBVIOUSLY, IF THINGS COME UP WHERE WE HAVE HARDSHIPS, WE WILL COMMUNICATE IT, BUT THAT IS OUR LOWER NUMBER. BUT YEAH. EIGHT. IF WE CAN'T HIT THAT, WE'LL BRING IT UP. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THAT, AS WELL, WE'LL ALSO CONTINUE TO BRING THAT UP, AS WELL AS THE 4000 CAPACITY. SO IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT COMES ACROSS OUR DESK, THAT IS MORE CAPACITY OR SOMETHING COOLER, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BRING IT TO Y'ALL FOR YOU TO ANSWER NO.

>> I'LL TRY TO ASK A DIFFERENT WAY. IF YOU DON'T DO EIGHT,

WHAT HAPPENS? >> UP TO EIGHT.

>> UP TO EIGHT? >> LIKE, SAY YOU WILL NEEDED TWO THIS YEAR. WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT'S THE PENALTY FOR DOING TWO? YOUR TRACK RECORD'S NOT REAL GOOD, AND YOU PROMISED, LIKE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF EVENTS. SO IF YOU'RE PROMISING OR MAKING LIKE, HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO EIGHT, AND YOU GET ONE OR TWO, AND WE GIVE YOU THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS, WHAT THE PENALTY FOR ONLY DOING TWO? AS WE SHOULD'VE GONE WITH SOMEONE ELSE THAT MAYBE COULD BRING US EIGHT.

>> LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD BE UP TO Y'ALL. I CAN'T REALLY --

MAKE PENALTIES. >> WHILE THE CONTRACT -- YOU CAN, BECAUSE ONCE WE SIGN THIS CONTRACT, IF THE PENALTY'S NOT IN HERE, WE CAN PENALIZE YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE CONTRACT AND SAY, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PENALIZE ME, THE CONTRACT SAYS. SO WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS, IF WE WERE TO PUT A PENALTY IN THE CONTRACT, WHAT WOULD BE A PENALTY YOU'D BE OKAY WITH THAT WHERE IF YOU OVERPROMISE, UNDER DELIVERED? I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAME IN AT SEVEN, BUT IF YOU JUST WAITLISTED AGAIN, AS YOU WE MISSED IT BEFORE, WHAT'S, WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TO WHERE WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE GAVE HIM A SHOT AND NOW THEY GOT TO PAY THAT PRICE LEXI BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING YOU EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO

MANAGE THIS. >> SURE.

>> AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

>> TIM, ARE YOU THERE? >> YEAH.

>> THOUGHTS? >> AND EVERYBODY HEAR ME?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. IN REGARDS TO THAT QUESTION, WELL, I MEAN, THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD VENTURE IS IF WE'RE NOT HITTING A CERTAIN GOAL, IS TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ABOUT REALLOCATING AND MOVING FORWARD AND CONTINUING TOWARD COLLABORATING TOGETHER, OR TO CONTINUE TO GROW THIS SPACE AND PROGRAM -- AND GOING UP TO A -- BUT I GUESS THE ONLY REAL PENALTY YOU CAN BUILD A SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO TERMINATION CLAUSE. BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE YEAR. HOWEVER, WITH THESE BOATS, YOU KNOW, WITH DELAYS ON OUTWARD. SO WE'RE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO CONTINUE TO WORK THINGS IN THE BACKGROUND WITHOUT OVERSTEPPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS NEGOTIATION. SO. IT'S

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KIND OF UP TO Y'ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD. ON 7-1, THE CITY, THE CITY MAY EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO RETAIN MANAGEMENT COORDINATION CONCESSIONS. IF SURGEONS ARE DESIRED, DSU CHARGES A CONTRACTOR FEE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE ODD, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CITY MAY EXERCISE. NOTE THIS IS FOR, I GUESS, CITY MANAGER KRISTI.

WHAT WOULD MAKE THE CITY EXERCISE OR NOT EXERCISE? LIKE, BECAUSE IF YOU EXERCISE, THE WAY I READ THIS , SOME GROUP WANTS TO COME UP AND HOLD AN EVENT, AND THEY GO, NO, NO, WE'LL DO THE CONCESSIONS. IN THE CITY GET TO DETERMINE, NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE D.O.C. DO IT. SO WHAT WOULD TRIGGER YOU ALL TO SAY D.O.C. CAN DO IT? BECAUSE ONCE D.O.C. DOESN'T, THEN THEY TAKE THE CUT, VERSUS THE OTHER PEOPLE, WHO SAY, NO, WE GOT IT. WE HAVE A WHOLE SYSTEM IN PLACE. AND I'M THINKING, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE ASIAN MARKET NIGHTS. THAT GUY COMES UP, HE RUNS THE PLACE, HE SELLS TICKETS. HIS BUSINESS IS CONCESSIONS. BUT IF YOU AS A CITY GO, YEAH, WE WANT A PIECE OF THAT, YOU GUYS CAN'T DO CONCESSIONS ANYMORE. WE WANT D.O.C. TO DO IT. THAT'S HOW I READ THIS. AM I READING IT

WRONG? >> THAT'S NOT HOW I READ IT.

THE WAY I READ -- >> THE CITY MAY EXERCISE ITS

RIGHT. >> YEAH. MAY EXERCISE ITS RIGHT TO USE DOCK. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT SAYS THE CITY MAY CHOOSE TO USE THE DOCK TO DO OUR EVENTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO. WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES. IF WE WANT TO USE THEM, WE CAN USE THEM, AND IT WOULD, THERE WOULD BE A REVENUE SHARE , AND ALL THAT, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT OURSELVES. NO THANKS, GUYS. YOU KNOW, YOU DO THE NEXT EVENT, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS ALL ON

OUR OWN. >> THAT'S THE INTENT.

>> WE MAINLY DID THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR POINT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. THE CITY DETERMINES WHEN TO USE DOCK AND WHAT NOT TO USE DOCK FOR CONFESSION.

>> FOR OUR EVENTS. >> NO, NO. AND CITY BROKERED RENTALS. THE CITY BROKERS A RENTAL, AND THEN THE CITY SITS DOWN AND GOES, WE WANT DOC TO DO THIS DEAL. AND THAT THEY'RE GOING -- WE, WE GOT IT. THAT'S OUR DEAL.

>> MAY I ADD -- HERE? >> SURE.

>> THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BASICALLY SET UP HERE IS GIVING YOU THE ALTERNATE CHOICE TO UTILIZE OUR SKILLS WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE. EVEN GIVING YOU THE ABILITY TO BRING IN YOUR OWN VATS AND UTILIZE OTHER VENDORS IF YOU WANT TO.

SO WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CONCESSIONS. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED HELP WITH, GETTING WORD HERE, WE NEED HELP IN STAFFING.

>> YEAH, LIKE TALENT BUYING FOR FOURTH OF JULY, THINGS LIKE

THAT. >> RIGHT. SO SO FAR, YOU GUYS ARE -- I'M READING IT THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT MAKES THE CITY PICU VERSUS -- BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, THE CITY CAN TELL THE, THE CITY BROKERED RENTAL PEOPLE THAT , NO, DOC IS GOING TO HANDLE THIS. AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THAN TO SAY YOU GUYS WILL DO IT. BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT US TO DO THIS AND SOMEONE GO, HEY, WE HAVE THIS, BUT THE CITY WON'T LET US DO IT, THE CITY'S MAKING US USE DOCK, AND WE, WE'RE GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

>> SO THIS -- >> THEY'RE LOOKING --

>> WELL, LET ME SPEAK REAL QUICK, 10, AND THEN YOU CAN HOP IN, AND THEN JAMES, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HOP IN AS WELL. SO I KNOW IT'S THE NEXT ITEM, BUT WITH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS, CITY MANAGER HAS FULL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR ANY OF THESE. SO THE INTENT BEHIND THIS, AND MAYBE IF THE WORDING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, IS FOR CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WHEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, IN THAT FILL OUT THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS AND GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS, LIKE ANYONE ELSE WOULD, WE WOULD STILL DO THAT REGARDLESS OF IF IT DOCK OR IF IT'S INTERNAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THIS PROVIDES CONSISTENCY WITH THINGS LIKE, IF AND WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE BATHROOMS ON SITE FULL-TIME, OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IT PROVIDES A MORE CONSISTENT EXPERIENCE FOR THE ATTENDEE AS WELL. SO THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AND EXPECTING A CERTAIN TYPE OF SECURITY, OR THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE FACILITY CHECKPOINTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT DOESN'T CHANGE EVERY SINGLE TIME. SO, TIM, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ONTO THAT, FEEL FREE.

>> YEAH, THAT IS DEFINITELY -- AN IDEAL AND ONE AIM. THE OTHER, FOR EXAMPLE, NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE CAPABILITY OF CONCESSIONS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WASN'T THAT ASIAN

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WE'RE HERE TO HELP FOR A FEE. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK ON PROGRAMMING, EVER BEING PROGRAMMING ALL THE RECORDING. WHERE YOU'RE GETTING A LARGER SPLIT THEN YOU WOULD GET FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND ALSO ON THAT NOTE, I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT YET, BUT WE DID EXPRESS HOW THE CITY MAKES MONEY ON THESE, HOW THE CITY MAKES MONEY ON STOCKS OR SHIPS, AND THAT'S BASICALLY A LESSER UTILIZED FOR SERVICES. THAT'S 100% YOURS. SO WHEN WE STEP INTO THE THE IN CONCESSIONAIRE, THE CITIES RETAINING ALL OF THAT PROFIT, AND WE'RE JUST TAKING A CUT TO DO THE WORK, BASICALLY.

>> SO I'LL TRY TO REWORD THIS AGAIN. ALL I'M TRYING, I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH THIS FORMAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD TRIGGER, JAMES, WHAT WOULD TRIGGER YOU TO GO -- BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, YOU GET TO DECIDE IF A VENDOR USES DOCK OR NOT. NOT THE VENDOR. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE, AGAIN --

>> IS A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REASON TO FORCE SOMEONE TO USE DOCK. I DON'T. AND THERE'S A, IF THERE'S AN INCENTIVE FOR US TO DO IT, THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

>> OR THEY SCREWED IT UP THE LAST TIME.

>> OR THEY SCREWED IT UP THE LAST TIME, AND IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT LETTING IT WAS THE LAST TIME. OTHER THAN STOPPING LIKE THAT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN EXAMPLE TO GIVE YOU AS TO WHY

IT WOULD TRIGGER. >> SOMETIMES I REALLY HAVE A QUESTION SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN A PERSON COMES TO THE COMPLAINT OR OPPOSITE. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, I THINK, IN HERE. AND THAT WAS -- YOU GUYS DID VERY GOOD ON THIS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WHEN I FIRST READ THE FIRST LINE, IT WAS YOUR REDLINE WAS SECOND, AND THE OLD ONE WAS FIRST, AND I READ IT, AND I WAS LIKE, I'M WASTING MY TIME READING THIS.

AND THEN I GOT TO THE SECOND ONE, AND I'M LIKE, OH, THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD FOR -- VERY GOOD FOR

THE PEOPLE. >> WE REALLY WISH FOR EVERYBODY'S INPUT, SO THAT DID HELP A LOT.

>> SO -- GO AHEAD, I'LL FIND IT IN A SECOND.

>> WAS RELATING TO PENALTY IF YOU DIDN'T HIT SOME THRESHOLD.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, IF YOU DIDN'T GET AT LEAST FOUR, THEN WE HAVE THE, THE 60 CALENDAR DAY IS WAIVED FOR DETERMINATION OF DEFAULT, WOULD BE MY QUESTION. IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL PENALTY. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO MONTHS IF, AFTER, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, YOU KNOW, TILL DECEMBER OF, 31ST OF 2024, YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP TO DATE, BUT IF YOU DON'T GET UP TO FOUR, WE CAN TERMINATE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO 60 DAYS. YOU KNOW? IT'S LIKE TWO WEEKS OR SOMETHING, LIKE A SMALLER NUMBER. THAT'S THE PENALTY.

>> I HAVE A VERY SIMILAR THOUGHT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS, I WAS THINKING FIVE, NOT FOUR. OTHER THAN THAT, THE EXACT SAME THING, YEAH. I WAS THINKING REQUIRING FIVE AT MOST, MORE THAN HALF. BUT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, ON THE LAST ITEM, I THINK THE CONTRACT IS RIGHT TO LEAVE THE RIGHT WITH US. IT'S UP TO US IF WE WANT TO HAVE A CITY POLICY THAT, THAT KIND OF LIMITS OR SETS UP HOW THE CITY GOES ABOUT IT, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THAT IN THIS CONTRACT.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR GAMES BASICALLY GO, WHAT HE JUST SAID. EITHER HE'D SAY, I'M GOING TO BE VERY SELECTIVE, OR HE'S GOING TO SAY, NO. AND THEN IF YOU GET VERY SELECTIVE, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS IT WITH HIM. WE THINK YOU'RE BEING TOO SELECTIVE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR. BUT MY OTHER QUESTION. SCOPE OF SERVICES. SO YOUR GUYS'S SERVICE OBLIGATIONS FOR CITY SPONSORED AND BROKERED EVENTS ARE SET FORTH IN SECTION SEVEN.

DOC WILL OPERATE THE AMPHITHEATER AND PROPERTY CONSISTENT THIS IS WHERE IT GETS CRAZY FOR ME. THE RECITALS, LAWS, AND CITY POLICIES AND APPROPRIATE OPERATING POLICIES THAT DOC MAY ADOPT. AND THE WAY I READ THAT IS, I DON'T MIND IF YOU ADOPT THE ROOM POLICIES FOR YOUR EVENTS. BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GIVE YOU THE POWER TO ADOPT YOUR POLICIES THAT THEN GO AGAINST CITY SPONSORED AND CITY BROKERED EVENTS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, AND I READING THAT RIGHT, THAT THEY WOULD --

>> WHICH NUMBER? >> PARAGRAPH SEVEN, SCOPE OF

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SERVICES. >> JUST MEANS, LIKE, IF YOU HIRE US, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE JOB. BASED ON HOW THEY NORMALLY OPERATE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TELLS ME WE'RE RUNNING AWAY WITH THE APPROVALS, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT I COULD BE --

>> LET ME JUST SAY, NOT THAT DOC MAY ADOPT, BUT THE CITY OF HUTTO. BECAUSE IF YOU FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES AND ALL OF OUR RULES, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE FINE, ESPECIALLY -- THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY THREE THINGS. I'M USUALLY PRETTY QUICK ON THE GRANITES. AND I'LL BE HONEST, I THINK THIS, I THINK YOU GUYS DID A WHOLE LOT BETTER, BUT GENUINELY, GENUINELY LISTENED TO CONCERNS, AND, IN MY MIND, YOU'VE GIVEN WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR, YOU COULD HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, THE CITY HAVE RIGHTS.

YOU BRING IN A SPONSORSHIP, YOU GET A BIG CUT, CITY BRINGS IN A SPONSORSHIP, YOU GET NOTHING. YOU HAVE AN EVENT. YOU GET A BIG REVENUE SHARE. THE CITY BRINGS IN AN EVENT, WE GET IT ALL, UNLESS WE NEED YOUR SERVICES, AND PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION. YOUR EXPERTISE. AND IF YOU GUYS DO WELL AND IT GROWS I WOULD IMAGINE MORE PEOPLE WILL USE YOU. IF YOU GUYS FAIL, THEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WILL NOT USE YOU, AND THEN THAT'S OKAY.

JAMES WILL MAKE THE DECISION. >> CORRECT.

>> I JUST REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE A DOC HOLIDAY EVENT.

>> I'M FOR IT. >> CAN'T BE IN VEGAS, THOUGH.

CAN'T BE IN VEGAS. JUST CALLING THAT OUT NOW.

>> OR KOREA. CAN'T GO TO KOREA.

>>

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 12.5 AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT. TO ADD A PARAGRAPH 19.5 TO THE TERMINATION SECTION. SAYING SHOULD DOC FAILED TO HOLD AT LEAST FIVE EVENTS UNDER SECTION 6.1 IN CALENDAR YEAR 2024, THE CITY MAY TERMINATE WITH TWO WEEKS NOTICE.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> CAN YOU ADD ONE OTHER THING ON THERE? CAN YOU CHANGE THAT ONE THING THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT FROM DOC, THE CITY OF HUTTO?

>> THE CITY OF HUTTO POLICIES CONTROL, NOT DOC --

>> OKAY. OH YEAH, SURE, SURE, THAT'S FINE.

>> CAN I, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO YOUR MOTION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS CONTRACT IS GOING TO, THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO TERMINATE, AND THEN THIS ONE IS GOING TO TAKE ITS PLACE. I DON'T, I DON'T LOOK AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

SO. THE FIRST CONTRACT. >> YES, WE NEED TO -- I THINK IT AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATES JUST BASED ON TIME, RIGHT?

>> IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY TERMINATE MARCH 13TH.

>> I THINK SO, YEAH. >> OF 2024. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN THIS ONE.

>> SO -- >> SO THIS IS CONTINGENT ON MUTUAL AGREEMENT TO TERMINATE THE OLD CONTRACT.

>> YEAH. IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSE, JUST PUT THAT THIS IS GOING TO

SUPERSEDE. >> SINCE ITS MARCH 30TH, YOU

SAID -- >> 13TH.

>> WELL, I MEAN, WHETHER IT TERMINATES OR NOT, I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T LIKE MAKING, I DON'T LIKE APPROVING STUFF AND FINDING STUFF THAT WE HAVEN'T TYPED OUT, BECAUSE IT IS BETTER TO JUST BRING IT BACK? WE'RE ALL KIND OF

AGREEING IT -- >> SO HERE -- YEAH, HERE'S A CONCERN I WANTED TO ASK TO WEIGH IN ON. SO WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING THE CONTRACT EXPIRE, BECAUSE IF IT DOES, THAT TRIGGERS OUR PROCUREMENT, AND WE HAD TO GO BACK OUT AND REPORT HERE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BELIEVE. SO THE BETTER THING TO DO IS TO AMEND THE OLD CONTRACT TO THIS CONTRACT, AND STAY UNDER THE OLD PROCUREMENT, I WOULD THINK. BUT I DON'T

KNOW. >>, AND THE OLD ONE TO MAKE IT

BE THIS ONE. >> TO SAY THAT THIS REPLACES

THE OLD ONE. >> SO THAT DOES WHAT I MEANT BY THIS SUPERSEDE. AND I THINK YOU CAN ACCOUNT THAT IN A WHEREAS CLAUSE. AND THEN YOU INCORPORATE ALL THAT BY REFERENCE. I THINK THAT'S JUST GOT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE OLD CONTRACT, THAT THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE THE AGREEMENT FOR THE PARTIES, AND ANY PROVISIONS FROM THE PRIOR AGREEMENT ARE GOING TO BE SUPERSEDED BY THIS AGREEMENT.

>> -- THAT. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT DO

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>> DO YOU WANT THAT PART OF THIS --

>> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. >> SECOND.

>> I NEVER VOTE FOR ANYTHING -- IT'S JUST NULL AND VOID TYPE

-- >> RIGHT.

>> YEAH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO THE MOTION TO AN AMENDMENT TO AT 819 FIVE ABOUT, WE CAN, IF THEY DON'T HIT FIVE EVENTS, WE CAN CANCEL IT WITHOUT ANY DAYS NOTICE?

>> TWO WEEKS NOTICE. >> TWO WEEKS NOTICE?

>> YOU GUYS DO THAT? >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S FAIR. >> YOU HAD TO FOLLOW THE CITY

OF HUTTO. >> DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD --

>> GUIDELINES. HOW TO FOLLOW THE CITY OF HUTTO GUIDELINES, NOT DOC, AND A PROVISION THAT THIS --

>> THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT THAT WAS STATED, THINK IT WAS 5-4, 2023. IS SUPERSEDED BY THIS, WHAT ARE RECALLING IT,

MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT? >> YEAH.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> NAY.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES 6-1. SO NOW THE AMENDED MOTION IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS A PROVEN WITH THE, WHAT WE JUST APPROVED

THERE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? >> AND WE DID DRAFT A RESOLUTION TO GO WITH THIS CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT

HAS THE NUMBER. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED A NUMBER YET, BUT I CAN ADD ONE HERE.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE

VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT ?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0.

[12.6. Discussion and possible action on the Special Events Permit guidelines at Brushy Creek Amphitheater (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

>> CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR NEXT MESSAGE ABOUT THE NEXT EVENT.

ALL RIGHT, ITEM 12.6, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT GUIDELINES THAT BRUSHY CREEK AT THE THEATER. I GUESS THAT'S KNEE. WELL, YOU GUYS ALWAYS IN THERE? THE ONLY PROPOSED CHANGES I WOULD MAKE TO IT WAS WE CALL THIS, WE'RE CALLING THIS A, LET ME SEE, WHERE IS IT? IN THE PACKET, EACH PAGE -- IT'S PAGE -- IT MAY BE A BIGGER ISSUE, BUT WE'RE CALLING IT A SPECIAL EVENT ORDINANCE, BUT WE GO DOWN AND WE TALK ABOUT MARKET EVENTS, AND MARKET EVENTS, SMALL-MARKET EVENTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. THE ONLY OTHER ONE, AND DOTTIE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT IT IS? I HAVE A NOTE THAT ISDN PEPPLER COLLEGE ARE EXEMPT FROM

THIS. IN 4.0 4.02. >> WHAT PAGE?

>> PAGE 233 OF THE PACKET, PAGE 8 OF THE, I THINK IT'S 8 OF THE SOMETHING. SO THE WAY I READ IT IS, WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT IT'S HERE WITH THE EYE IS HE OR TEMPLER COLLEGE, YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM ANY KIND OF PERMITTING OR ANYTHING? AND IF I'M READING THAT, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO KNOW, FROM A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, POLICE , HOW WE'RE GOING TO RUN THE CITY THAT PARTICULAR DAY IF SOMEONE'S HAVING A BIG EVENT OR A SMALL

EVENT. >> SO THIS ALREADY EXIST, AND YOU'RE JUST TWEAKING IT. SO WHAT ARE YOU TWEAKING?

>> NO, I THINK WE -- >> WHAT ARE YOU IMPROVING?

>> WELL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS, I THOUGHT WE DID, I THOUGHT THAT THERE'S A TWEAK IN HERE WHEN IT COMES TO DB.

>> YEAH, BECAUSE, YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT SAID TOO ABOUT SOUND, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR THE EVENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KIND OF WANT TO KEEP IT MANAGEABLE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE OUT THERE.

>> YEAH. I THINK THIS, I THINK THE WHOLE -- I ONLY BROUGHT

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THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS. JAMES COULD APPROVE ANYTHING, AND THEN WE WOULD GET MAD AND GO, WHY DID YOU, WHY DID YOU APPROVE DEDMAU5 AGAIN? I THINK THE POINT WE CAME UP WITH, I JUST BROUGHT IT BACK UP BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LIST. THEY COUNSEL, WE WANTED TO SET, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, NOT TO EXCEED THE SOUND, NOT TO EXCEED THIS MANY PEOPLE. SO IT'S REALLY NOT A MEETING. I THINK IT'S A HONEST THING.

WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE WHATEVER WE WANT. OR WE CAN HAVE NO REQUIREMENTS, AND LEAVE IT UP TO JAMES. WE COULD DO THAT TOO.

UPDATE THE NUMBERS AND THE SOUND, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE SOUND, WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO US FROM THAT GROUP THAT DID THE SOUND STUDY. NOT A SOUND STUDY, BUT THE, THE MOST RECENT, YEAH.

MOTION THAT STAFF COMES BACK CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE THE DECIBEL LEVELS AND THE CAPACITY FINDINGS BASED ON THE, THE REPORT FROM THE WORK SESSION.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> YEAH.

>> SECONDED BY COUNSELOR THOMPSON. ARE YOU OKAY HAVING TO WHERE THE CITY IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN SPECIAL EVENTS PUT

ON BY THE ISD OR THE COLLEGE? >> I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, LIKE, A STREAMLINED PERMIT FROM THEM, JUST TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT CONTACTING WITH SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO, OR WE GOT A THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. IT CAN'T JUST BE AD HOC, LIKE, OH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE IT THIS WEEKEND.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME -- >> WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN TAKE ANYTHING WITHOUT RENTING FROM US THE WAY I READ OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THEY CAN HOLD AN EVENT THAT TEMPLER COLLEGE, LET'S SAY, AND IT COULD ATTRACT 20,000 PEOPLE.

BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PERMIT OR EVEN LET THE CITY KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS HUGE EVENT.

>> IS THAT CORRECT, KRISTI? HAVE THEY DONE THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DID, LIKE, THAT BIG BARBECUE COOKOFF. LIKE, DID WE

KNOW ABOUT THAT? >> HELLO, KRISTI BARNES, COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS MANAGER. SO, TO KEEP THINGS STREAMLINED, EVEN THOUGH IN THE ORDINANCE IT DOES READ THAT WAY, AND IT ALSO READS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT INTERNALLY, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS, WE STILL CONDUCT A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITTING PROCESS IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, THOSE TYPE OF SAFETY THINGS. NOW, AS IT COMES TO RENTALS AND WHATEVER, I ALLAYS THERE ARE, THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE AIR, BUT WE STILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY AROUND.

THAT. >> AS THE ORDINANCE READS.

>> BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. NOT THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT --

>> I KNOW SHE DOES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY

ELSE KNOW SHE DOES. >> THE WAY, YES, WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S FINE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT KRISTI DOES NOT. KRISTI DOES EVERYTHING.

>> THE WAY IT READS IS THAT THEY'RE EXEMPTING FROM OBTAINING THE PERMIT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF PROCESS AND APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WANT POLICE OFFICERS, OR IF THEY WANT CERTAIN ROADS CLOSED, OR IF THEY, I KNOW THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT TO THE CITY.

SO THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO --

>> RIGHT. THEY WANT POLICE, OR IF THEY WANT ROADS CLOSED, THEY HOLD A 20,000 PERSON BARBECUE EVENT.

>> IN THEIR PARKING LOT. >> IN THEIR PARKING LOT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE. IT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO RUN IT THROUGH THE RINGER OR SOMETHING, OR IF THEY HOLD, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE ISD HOLDS A SUPER BIG FOOTBALL GAME, AND THEY JUST FORGOT TO TELL US, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LIKE, MY GOD, I THOUGHT THE SEASON WAS OVER, WHY IS THIS EVENT HERE?" OF ALL THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING. I THINK THEY NEED TO AT LEAST BE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE CITY, GO THROUGH SOME KIND OF PROCESS TO WHERE CHRISSY OR THE CHIEF CONSIDERED IN AND GO, OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. WE FIGURED SOMETHING OUT. NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING IT TODAY, BUT IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, THAT YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, THEN YOU ALSO

DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. >> I'D BE WILLING -- OH,

SORRY, GO AHEAD. >> SO BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE I THINK THEY HOLD A LOT OF EVENT THAT REALLY HAVE NO IMPACT, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE WASTE THE TIME FOR PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE EVENTS AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE THEM CLIMBING TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING A CHOIR CONCERT AT 7:00, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND THE OTHER THING IS, THE WORDING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED HERE, BECAUSE IT SAYS TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY. DOESN'T SAY T STC,

DOESN'T SAY TEMPLER COLLEGE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT A SPECIAL EVENT IS A PLANT, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS

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>> IF WE DO WE GET UP THERE TO WHERE, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO

GET INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING -- >> THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOLS THAT HAVE EVENTS JUST LIKE THAT.

>> WELL, YOU'RE JUST SAYING TO JUST NOTIFY. JUST LET US KNOW, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT SAYING, LIKE, HEY, I NEED YOU TO BE, BE PERMANENT AND YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THESE REGULATIONS. IT'S JUST, HEY, I JUST WANT TO KNOW SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET ALL OF

OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. RIGHT? >> YEAH.

>> WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE, LIKE, A DOZEN SCHOOLS IN HUTTO, AND

THAT NUMBER IS ONLY GROWING. >> AND IF THEY'RE HAVING A FOOTBALL GAME, THAT'S, LIKE, A PLAYOFF GAME FOR OTHER SCHOOLS, I MEAN, YEAH, IT WOULD BE COOL TO LET US KNOW, BUT, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THEIR FOOTBALL GAME.

>> RIGHT. AND IT'S ONLY $50 TO APPLY, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ANY MONEY OUT OF ANYBODY. I JUST WANT SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. ESPECIALLY AS WE GET TO BE A BIGGER CITY. LIKE, WHEN THEIR DEAL WITH THE ISD WANTED TO CLOSE DOWN EAST STREET, OR DO SOMETHING WITH E STREET, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO PERMIT IT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO HOLD A PROM PARADE OR SOMETHING -- BUT WE SURE WERE.

>> AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WHERE IF THERE'S AN EVENT LIKE THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE I THINK IT CONFLICTED, DIDN'T IT, WITH THE MOTHER

EVENT? >> YEAH, WITH A WEDDING.

>> SO I THINK THE, IF I CAN JUST SAY, THE BIGGEST, I GUESS, POINT OF THIS, THE, THE REAL VALUE OF THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITTING PROCESS OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. SO IF ROADS ARE BEING CLOSED, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF BLOCKAGE OF TRAFFIC OR THAT KIND OF THING, THAT'S WHEN WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH CHIEF AND HIS TEAM, AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE THIS INTERNAL HUB. SO IF PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPACTED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO CUP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HONE IN ON THOSE THINGS. IF IT'S HELD ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ISD GROUND, AND WITHIN THEIR PARKING LOT, TO JAMES THIS POINT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO WORD IT IN THOSE WAYS, THAT'S IT. BUT IF IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, THAT'S WHEN SAFETY IS ACTIVATED, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO YES. BUT MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT, YES. WHEN THE ISD WANTED TO HOST A PARADE ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THE STREET AND BLOCK THE ROADS, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN THE WAY THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE HANDLED, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

>> YEAH. OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO BE OKAY WITH

THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> SO IT'S THE MOTION WITH STAFF BRINGING BACK THE CHANGES FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT THEN THEY ARE, ADDING IN YOUR --

>> IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH JUST STAFF PUTTING SOMETHING IN, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE DETAILS, OR --

>> YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS'S COOPERATION ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT, SO DECIBEL LEVELS, CAPACITY, AND SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOTIFIED OF EDUCATIONAL EVENTS. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

[12.7. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-013 regarding Ad Valorem Tax Exemptions for Licensed Childcare Facilities (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. OKAY. NEXT, WE HAVE CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE AXON RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-013 REGARDING AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR LICENSE CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

>> SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK THERE'S -- ALBERTA?

>> YES. HELLO. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO JUST TO CATCH UP FROM THE LAST MEETING, WE PRESENTED, THERE WAS 31 CHILDCARE LICENSED FACILITIES. OF THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN THE RISING STAR PROGRAM, WE FOUND OUT WITHIN THE CITY IS THREE, WITH TAXES OF $12,320. AND AGAIN, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE ASKED IF, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WORST-CASE, ALL 31 FACILITIES WOULD BECOME EXEMPT.

AND BASED ON THE VALUES RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 65,000, 66,000 A YEAR. OKAY. THERE WAS SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE TRIED TO ADDRESS. IN OUR RESEARCH. AND I GUESS THE OTHER KEY POINT IS IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, WE HAVE UNTIL THE END OF MAY, OR PROBABLY YOUR SECOND MEETING IN, IN MAY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

>> I DID SEE YOU GUYS GOT CLARIFICATION THAT IF YOU HAVE

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THE WHOLE STRIP CENTER. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> SO -- >> MY, MY ONE ADDITIONAL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY THERE WERE 31, I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT PROBABLY TELLS ME A GOOD PORTION OF THOSE IS AN RESIDENTIAL HOME AREAS THAT ARE COUNTING WHEN YOU GET THAT 31.

BECAUSE I WANTED TO NOT ALLOW EXEMPTIONS OF, IN RESIDENTIAL HOMES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT NEEDS TO BE A LICENSED CHILDCARE FACILITY ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT. THEY COULD BE A LICENSED CHILDCARE, BUT OUT OF THOSE 31, THERE'S ONLY, THE, THE FOUR AND THREE THAT ARE IN THE CITY THAT ARE PART OF THAT TEXAS WORKFORCE RISING STAR.

>> I GOT THAT. MY POINT IS THE 31 , OR ALL OF THOSE ON COMMERCIAL ZONED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES?

>> THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> SO MY POINT WAS I WANT TO RESTRICT IT TO COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS ONLY SO IT CAN'T BE IN A RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT THEY'RE RUNNING A DAY CARE OUT OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEN TRYING TO GET ALL THEIR PROPERTY TAX ON THEIR HOUSE PAID FOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE THREE KIDS IN THEIR HOUSE THAT ARE THEN COUNT FOR THE RISING STAR PROGRAM, BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING LESS MONEY FOR THE PERSON AND THEY GET CREDIT AND, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY, AND YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF HOMEOWNERS HAVE THAT. SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S A COMMERCIALLY ZONED ERA, THAT I THINK YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 31 EVEN AVAILABLE. IT WOULD PROBABLY REDUCE DOWN TO A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER. AND SO THAT WAS MY ONE REQUEST, AND I WANTED TO START AT 50%, WHICH I SAW THAT YOU HAVE IN HERE TO BEGIN WITH.

SO THAT'S MY OTHER COMMENT, IS WE COULD ALWAYS GO TO 100, BUT FOR THIS FIRST YEAR, LET'S START AT 50. AND THEN NOT LET RESIDENTIAL CHILDCARE. RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

>> THAT A MOTION? >> WELL, YES, I GUESS SO.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS TO DO A 50% EXEMPTION, STAFF BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE FOR 50% EXEMPTION FROM COMMERCIAL -- WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT, CHILDCARE FACILITIES ON

COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. >> YES.

>> A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S -- MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? NEED TO

-- PLAY IT RIGHT. >> YEAH.

>> OH, YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> WE CAN DO DISCUSSION. LET'S DO DISCUSSION. WHY DON'T WE

DISCUSS IT? >> WELL, WE BRING IT BACK FOR 50%. MAYBE 100%, ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE BRING IT BACK THAT THE CITY PERCENT TO 100% THAT WE GET THE SAME BENEFIT FOR THE, OR DO THEY MAKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE, WHAT IS IT, 20% NOW HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE, SOME KIND OF INCOME RESTRICTED.

>> I WILL HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT. THEY DO HAVE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE STATE LAW.

>> THE LAW DOESN'T DIFFER BETWEEN GIVING A 50% AND 100% OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THE SAME REQUIREMENT, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU HAD TO GIVE AT LEAST 50%, AND YOU CAN DO UP TO 100.

>> THAT'S JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION.

THE LOWEST YOU CAN GO IS 50. HIGHEST YOU CAN GO IS 100. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING, JUST BRING BACK 100, AND THEN YOU CAN --

>> NO. >> ALL I'M SAYING IS, IF WE CAME BACK, SORT OF MISUSING TIME, IF WE CAME BACK AND SAID

MAKE IT 100 -- >> YOU HAVE TO REPOST IT.

>> I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN GET FOR THAT OTHER 50%, OR IS IT, YOU GET THE SAME BENEFITS, SO WHY DO 100? LIKE, CAN YOU SAY YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE

? >> NO. THERE'S NO --

>> OKAY. >> SO IF WE POST FOR 50, WE CAN'T VOTE FOR 100? IF WE POST FOR 100, WE CAN VOTE FOR

ANYTHING BETWEEN 50 AND 100? >> 50 AND 100.

>> I STILL WANT TO GET 50. >> YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT THE NEXT YEAR. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY ONCE YOU'VE GIVEN IT,

SO. >> YEAH. YOU CAN GO UP, YOU

CAN'T GO DOWN. >> RIGHT.

>> OH, YOU CAN, BUT IT'S HARD. REAL HARD.

>> IT WOULD BE, YEAH. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?

>> I GUESS MY, I, I'M OKAY WITH BRINGING IT BACK AND SEEING THE NUMBERS, BUT I GUESS I'LL HAVE THE SAME TALKING POINTS OVER AND OVER. JUST OVERALL, NOT, LIKE, SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY ON, LIKE, ON THE CITY SIDE, BUT WE'RE ELIMINATING THE TAX BURDEN FOR A FEW AND

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>> 12,000 AT 100. >> 12,000 IT'S GOING TO SNOWBALL. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR PROPERTY TAXES TO, TO GO DOWN, BUT THIS JUST SELECTING A GROUP, AND I GET IT THAT YOU HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED, AND YOU HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE TEXAS RISING STAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND STAFF. OVERALL, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, LIKE, CHILDCARE SHORTAGE, THE COST OF CHILDCARE , YOU KNOW, PAYING CHILDCARE, TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, MORE MONEY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO PAY. I MEAN, MAYBE TO PAY THE LIGHT BILL? LIKE, BUT THAT, I GUESS IT'S, THAT'S GREAT. BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FIXING A BIGGER PROBLEM IN, I GUESS, THE CHILDCARE INDUSTRY WITH THESE LOW TAX ABATEMENT OR EXEMPTIONS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN ALSO, A LOT OF FOLKS HERE IN HUTTO, I MEAN, THE MEDIAN INCOME IS $100,000 FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO PERSON FAMILY. AND SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN QUALIFIED FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND, LIKE, AS A MOTHER OF TWO, CHILDREN IN DAY CARE, YOU CAN NEVER MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR CHILD CARE FOR YOUNGER KIDS. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BIG CITIES CAN DO THIS, THEY CAN TAKE ON THIS, BUT JUST KIND OF ELIMINATING SOMEONE'S BURDEN I GUESS OVERALL OPPOSED TO THIS, SO. BUT I'LL STILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS,

BUT JUST. >> IF YOU ASK THE SCHOOL PEOPLE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE AROUND REDUCED LUNCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN USE AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, MORE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FOR EVERYBODY, AND YEAH, IF YOU HAVE $100,000, IT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT CHILDCARE IS NOT A PAINFUL EXPENSE FOR YOUR FAMILY BUDGET. BUT THE PROGRAM DOES A PUBLIC BY ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES MORE AFFORDABLE DAY CARE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE, THIS IS THE DECISION, IS DO WE WANT TO SUBSIDIZE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE DAY CARE, IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN

TO, TO ME. >> YEAH, I THINK THIS WOULD'VE BEEN, I GUESS, A WHAT IF OR WHATEVER ON A WHAT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD GET THE TAX ABATEMENT OF SOME SORT TO THE ISP, BECAUSE THAT'S A LARGER PORTION OF YOUR TAX BILL, RIGHT? AND SOAP, AND IT ALSO PLAYS INTO THE, THE GROWTH IN THE EDUCATION AND THE WELFARE OF MINORS, LIKE CHILDREN AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? CHILDCARE INTO ELEMENTARY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT BENEFICIAL. FOR THE SMALL NUMBERS.

>> WELL, FOR MY ONE THING ON THE DISCUSSION, SO TO COUNCILMAN THORTON'S POINT OF VIEW, THE $6000 IS NOT THE BENEFIT. THE BENEFIT IS, IF YOU GET MORE CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT JOIN THE RISING STAR PROGRAM, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTAIN RATE FOR LOW INCOME PEOPLE. SO IT'S NOT THAT THE $6000 JUST KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON CHEAPER. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT IF NOW YOU HAVE 50 FACILITIES THAT NOW OFFER 20% OF THEIR DAY CARES, NOW OFFER A LOW INCOME PORTION, YOU'VE NOW HELPED A LARGE PORTION OF YOUR PEOPLE IN HUTTO TO BE ABLE TO GET AFFORDABLE -- THERE'S MORE AFFORDABLE SLOTS IN THE CITY.

>> WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION DURING THE WASTEWATER, LIKE, YOU CAN PUT IT ON ITS. IT HAS TO BE SOLIDIFIED. LIKE, IF THEY DON'T BUILD, IF THEY DON'T COME. SO NOW YOU'RE JUST SAYING -- BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING HIM A TAX BENEFIT THAT.

IF THEY DON'T BUILD A VIDEO GET THE MONEY BACK.

>> YOU'RE BASING IT OFF OF IF THEY JOIN.

>> BUT YOU DON'T GIVE THEM THE ABATEMENT. I'M SAYING THEY'RE 31 FACILITIES TODAY. IF THERE'S NOW AN ABATEMENT, MAYBE THREE MORE DECIDE TO JOIN. IF THEY DON'T, WE DON'T REBATE ANY OTHER TAXES. SO THERE'S NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER BY NOT DOING IT, AND YOU MIGHT GIVE, THERE, THE POSITIVE SIDE IS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE $6000 BACK TO THE THREE THAT DO, AND IF NO ONE ELSE PARTICIPATES, BUT IF YOU DID NOW YOU'VE AT LEAST PROVIDED 30% OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE LOW INCOME. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

ACROSS ALL THE CITIZENS OF HUTTO. BUT LET'S CALL A VOTE.

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>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> WHAT'S THE -- >> THIS IS JUST TO BRING IT

BACK, RIGHT? >> 50% FOR COMMERCIAL.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLERK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

[12.8. Consideration and possible action on development of a City game room ordinance (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12.8, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON DEVELOPMENT OF A CITY GAMING ORDINANCE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. DID WE TALK ABOUT THIS OR DID WE JUST

POSTPONE IT LIKE 10 TIMES? >> POSTPONE. POSTPONED IT.

WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR DIRECTION TO BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE, THE CHIEF PROVIDED SAMPLE GAMER ORDINANCE. WE REVIEWED IT. WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AND THEN WE PUT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, AND THEIR APPEAL TO THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT. I THINK THEY'RE WAITING ON THEM, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OR SOMETHING BEFORE

THAT BECOMES FINAL. >> OKAY. BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ONCE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. YEAH. OKAY.

>> SO, SO THE QUESTION, DOTTIE, SO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, THE SUPREME COURT DOESN'T TAKE IT UP, SO IT WAS NOW AT THE APPELLATE LEVEL THEY DENIED IT SO IT WILL GO AWAY AND NOT BE ALLOWED ANYMORE AND THEY'LL BE SHUT DOWN?

>> NO. THE ISSUE IN THAT CASE WAS, AND SEE IF I CAN SAY IT RIGHT. WHETHER IT WAS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LOTTERY.

>> OKAY. AND SO WHAT DID THE APPELLATE COURT RULED? THAT IT

WAS OR WASN'T? >> WEATHER EIGHT LINERS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL LOTTERIES. SO THAT'S WHAT THE SECOND COURT OF APPEALS HELD. AND THEN THE DATE LINERS APPEAL THAT UP TO THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME COURT REFUSED TO HEAR IT AND THEN THE NEXT THING AFTER THAT WHEN YOU REFUSE THEY REFUSE TO HEAR SOMETHING THEY FILED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BUT AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO THE COURT TO RULE ON

THAT. >> SO I THINK WE HAVE A WEIGHT BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT ALSO STILL REFUSES ON THE RECONSIDER THAN IT'S BEEN DEEMED ILLEGAL , WHICH MEANS

THEY GO AWAY. >> NO. IT JUST --

>> THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU. I SAID WHAT WITH THE FILING AT THE APPELLATE LEVEL? THE APPELLATE LEVEL HELD THAT THEY ARE ILLEGAL GAMBLING MACHINES, AND THE SUPREME COURT REFUSES TO HEAR THE CASE. AND THAT'S THEN THE LAW OF THE LAND AND THEN THEY WILL BE OUTLAWED IN THE STATE.

>> EIGHT LINERS. >> EIGHT LINERS.

>> NOT SEVEN LINERS. AND DON'T THINK THAT THEY DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN GO, EIGHT'S ILLEGAL, SIX IT IS. I MEAN.

>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. >> YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S --

>> BECAUSE THAT'S THREE HORIZONTAL, THREE VERTICAL, AND TWO DIAGONAL. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A WHEELED MACHINE, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING TO GO GET BILLED FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND WHAT IS USED EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD THAT NOBODY WOULD DESIGN THAT.

>>'S AU PAIR, CURABLE GAMBLING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, RIGHT? IS LEGAL. BUT, RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY

GOING THROUGH THE, -- >> THE STAFF REPORT DEFINES EIGHT LINERS AS IT'S GOT TO HAVE THE EIGHT LINES. AND SOMEBODY'S RIGHT. HE MADE THE POINT THAT, WELL, THEY CAN BE, LIKE, THREE, YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE THREE THINGS, A SLOT MACHINE, YOU PULL IT DOWN, AND THERE'S JUST THREE. THAT, THAT IS NOT AN EIGHT LINER. SOAP THERE, THERE IS A DISTINCTION IN THESE

TYPES OF DEVICES. >> YEAH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S THREE ACROSS, THREE THIS WAY, NINE. BUT IF YOU THINK THAT THEY OUTLAWED AND SOMEBODY COMES BY AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL JUST DO , AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO CLOSE EVERYTHING DOWN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT

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>> TO BE AN EIGHT LINER, IT HAS TO MATCH SYMBOLS IN ONE OF EIGHT LINES OR SOMETHING. IT'S KIND OF WHAT THE AG IS SAYING

AN EIGHT LINER IS. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE AND PUT IT AWAY INTO A WAY THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY EIGHT LINERS. IT'S JUST ALL CHARITABLE GAMING MACHINES, AND THAT WAY, WHOEVER DECIDES ON THE WHATEVER IT IS, IF IT'S A ONE-LINER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE --

>> AND I THINK ANOTHER THING IN REGULATING THIS IS YOU CAN PUT THAT BUSINESS TAX ON IT TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A BUSINESS HAS SOME SORT OF MACHINE, THERE'S A, IN YOUR OCCUPATIONS CODE, IN YOUR CITY CODE, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE CITY CHECK THE MACHINES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PAYING WHATEVER THEIR ANNUAL TAX IS ON THAT. YOU WANT THAT TO BE PART OF THE

ORDINANCE TOO? >> NOT ON THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT THERE. >> I'LL DO SOMETHING SEPARATE ON THAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS DO THAT.

>> AND I'LL DO A SECOND, BUT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING

TOO. >> I LOVE THAT. WHAT'S UP.

>> CAN WE DO -- SO SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE ON THIS, BUT CAN WE DO IT SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, LIKE, A, A SPECIAL USE, LIKE, WE HAD TO APPROVE EACH ONE THAT COMES ACROSS SO THAT HAS , SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, 10 OR 20 OF THEM COMING INTO TOWN? YOU KNOW? OR, LIKE, WE CAN LIMIT IT, RIGHT? BUT MAYBE THE NEXT COUNCIL, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, LET'S BRING IN 15, AND ELDEST APPROVE, APPROVE, APPROVE. BUT STAY WITH US, WE ONLY, YOU

KNOW, WHAT THEY DO, RIGHT? >> SO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE ON THIS AND SOMETHING WITH, ACTUALLY, ON THE DEVELOPING SERVICES, WHERE IT'S AN SUV TO HAVE --

>> YEAH. JUST TO SAY, YEAH, JUST TO MAKE US AWARE, LIKE, OKAY, YOU GOT THREE APPLICANTS THIS MONTH, AND WE GOT ONE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT YEAR, SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY. BUT --

>> SO WE'RE LIMITING PEOPLE NOW?

>> NO. WE'RE NOT LIMITING THEM, BUT IF IT DOES COME TO, IF IT DOES COME TO US, LIKE, FIVE AT A TIME, AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, FIVE IS A LOT, OR SOMETHING, OR 15. I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH., RIGHT? BUT WE'D JUST APPROVE IT AS WE COME, RIGHT, AS IT COMES UP.

>> IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS, AND WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'VE REACHED A THRESHOLD, YOU CAN'T COME NO

MORE. >> WE HAVE ENOUGH OF YOU.

>> WE HAD SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR GAS STATIONS.

>> I AGREE. I GUESS MY REASONING WITH THIS IS THAT IF YOU GOOGLE, JUST, LIKE, DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, YOU COME UP WITH NEGATIVE NEWS ARTICLES ON GAME ROOMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

LOOKED INTO >> THERE WAS A SHOOTING TWO MONTHS AGO IN REMBERT. 4:00 IN THE MORNING PEOPLE ARE I GUESS

UP -- BUT IT IS RUMORED. >> SO HOW IT IS LIMITING --

>> SO -- >> THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THEY CAN'T, LIKE, BUILD NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL

HOUSE. >> JUST IN GENERAL, THEY CAN.

>> WE CAN SAY IT'S TOO CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, OR --

>> BUT THAT'S SAYING DON'T BUILD IT SOMEWHERE, NOT LIMITING PEOPLE COMING. NOT LIMITING THE BUSINESS COMING.

>> I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE A PROLIFERATION OF THEM, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT, THAT'S WHERE I GUESS I'M GOING WITH IT IS THAT WE DO HAVE THIS IN PLACE, BUT THAT ANYBODY WHO HAS THEIR $1500 AND THEIR BUSINESS READY TO GO, THEY JUST COME TO HUTTO. AND SO IT CAN BE LIKE, WELCOME TO HUTTO, AND EVERYBODY'S COME IN TOMORROW.

>> SO, FOR THE RECORD, JAMES, OUR CITY MANAGER. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE WAY THAT PLAYS OUT IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU HAD TO ASK EVERY SINGLE TIME . AND THEN MAYBE THE CITY IS LIKE, NO, WE GOT FIVE, THAT'S ENOUGH.

>> RIGHT. I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR, IF YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S LIKE, I WANT TO LIMIT. WE HAD FIVE COME. I WANT TO LIMIT HOW MANY COME . AND I JUST THINK THAT'S KIND OF MESSED UP, BECAUSE WE DON'T LIMIT ANYTHING ELSE FROM COMING, BUT

-- >> WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT, BUT IF IT DOES COME TO, IN ONE YEAR, WE GET 15, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE MAY HAVE A, SOME OF THESE NEGATIVE BUSINESS OWNERS, BAD ACTORS, RIGHT, BAD ACTORS MAY COME TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE HAD TO, THEN IT'S

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AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. >> YOU CAN SAY THAT WITH, LIKE, A GAS STATION. LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY --

>> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANOTHER GAS STATION. WE COULD DO THE SAME THING ON THE DAY CARE AND SAY WE DON'T, WE

DON'T WANT IT. >> WE LIMIT, WE LIMIT A LOT OF THINGS. WE JUST LIMITED THE ISP TO SOMETHING AND THEY HAD TO

COME UP AND ASK FOR AN SU. IT >> RIGHT.

>> WE LIMIT DRIVE THROUGH. >> I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> BUT WE'RE LIMITING THE BUSINESS. LIKE, THEY, THEY'RE STILL DOING IT. WE'RE JUST LIMITING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE'RE NOT LIMITING THE BUSINESS.

>> WE LIMIT DRIVE THROUGH'S. >> YEAH. YOU LIMIT THEM.

THEY'RE STILL BUILDING IT. YOU'RE NOT --

>> LIMIT MEANS THEY CAN DO IT. >> WE DETERMINE IF YOU CAN HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH. SO IF WE'RE DONE WITH DRIVE THROWS, WE JUST DON'T APPROVE SUVS ANYMORE, AND THE MCDONALD'S COMES IN AND SAYS I WANT TO BUILD A STORY, AND WE SAY WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH YOU CAN'T, AND SO THEY GO AWAY. WHEN WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS IN, AND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR OUR CITIES TO HAVE SU P. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DICTATE HOW DO WE WANT OUR CITY TO GROW, AND WE WANTED TO GROW IN CERTAIN WAYS. I MEAN, WE LIMITED ED SCHMIDT. WE LIMITED NO OUTDOOR MUSIC WHEN THEY WANTED AN SUV AND OUTDOOR MUSIC ON THAT ONE PATIO. SO THAT'S BUSINESSES. SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE THERE, BUT --

>> I THINK YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO LIMIT, NECESSARILY, THE NUMBER OF THEM, MAYBE, BUT THEN IT'S LIKE, IN 10 YEARS, WE HAVE 50 OF THEM, AND WE BECOME A LITTLE VEGAS. WE CAN SAY, LOOK, GUYS, WE'RE DONE WITH THE --

>> YEAH. SO I GUESS, I GUESS, TO MAKE YOU FEEL, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT, BUT INITIALLY, I WAS NOT FOR THIS, BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS? I DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN, LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO REGULATE SOMEONE'S BUSINESS. LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO COME TO TRENTON, JUST COME TO HUTTO. DOING SOME RESEARCH, TALKING WITH THE LOCAL GAME ROOM OWNER ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, JUST LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A HARMLESS, LIKE, PROCESS TO, I GUESS, GET THIS STARTED, RIGHT? BUT THEN I WOULD LIKE, YOU GET ON GOOGLE, AND YOU START FINDING OUT OTHER THINGS, LIKE , PROLIFERATION OF GAME ROOMS IN, LIKE, KINGSVILLE. THEY HAD A TON. LOCAL ORDINANCES DIDN'T, LIKE, LIMITED, AND THEY HAD, LIKE, 20 IN, LIKE, A CERTAIN AREA. AND IT'S JUST, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING FUN TO DO, AND PEOPLE ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT, AND THERE ARE GOOD PLAYERS AND BAD ACTORS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF TOO, AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE GOOD ONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S GOING TO, LIKE, EVERYBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT THE LIQUOR STORES, THE NAIL SALONS, RIGHT? SO IT'S EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER GAME ROOM! THAT KIND OF THING. AND SO AT LEAST WITH THE SUB PROCESS, WE COULD, WE COULD JUST BE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S, YOU

KNOW. >> YEAH, I GUESS.

>> BUT THE NEXT COUNCIL THAT COMES UP HERE, MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, LET'S PUT ONE ON EVERY CORNER. OKAY.

>> I GUESS MY HESITATION WAS WHENEVER YOU WERE JUST LIKE, I WANT TO LIMIT, AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT US TO, YOU

KNOW, HAVE THAT -- >> KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT, BUT, YEAH. BUT ONLY ALLOWED 10.

>> AND I FINISHED WHAT I WAS SAYING? I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE KIND OF REPUTATION THAT WE NEED.

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT IT. BUT JUST FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF EACH TIME ONE GETS PERMITTED, OR GOING THROUGH THIS NEW PROCESS.

>> OKAY. I GET YOU. >> THAT THE COUNCIL IS MADE

AWARE OF. >> OKAY, SO I HAD A QUESTION.

>> OKAY. SO. >> WHAT , WHAT PROBLEM IS THIS SOLVING? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS ORDINANCE? WHAT

DOES THIS ORDINANCE DO? >> OKAY. IN MY MIND, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, YOU CAN BE OPEN UNTIL 4:00 IN THE MORNING. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO. IT'S WHERE YOU CAN PUT THEM. YOU CAN PUT THEM ANYWHERE. SO YOU CAN

HAVE -- >> WE'RE SETTING GUIDELINES AROUND THEM. RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF UNFETTERED. THEY CAN DO

WHATEVER THEY WANT. >> THE PROBABLY --

>> OKAY. SO THIS ORDINANCE IS SETTING, HERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES. IF YOU WANT TO COME INTO OUR CITY, HERE'S HOW YOU

HAVE TO OPERATE. >> YEAH. THEY COULD GO IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, THEY JUST COULDN'T GO --

>> OKAY. >> IT'S LIKE A $1200, I THINK IT WAS A $1200 YEAR FEE, SO IT SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF FOR THE FEW INSPECTIONS THAT COME BY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE TODAY, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS OUT THERE TO WHERE IT'S STARTING TO PROLIFERATE. BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED OUT IT'S OKAY TO DO IT.

>> OKAY, SO THE MOTION, JUST TO BRING BACK THE ORDINANCE, AND

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WE'LL FINISH DEBATING. >> AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED?

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON BRINGING BACK THE ORDINANCE FOR DEBATE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE. EXCUSE ME.

>> YOU SAID AYE? >> AYE. YES. SORRY.

[12.9. Discussion and possible action directing staff to bring a budget amendment for the 3349 Beautification Project to add $14,000 for lighting (Councilmember Amberley Kolar)]

>> ITEM 12.9, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION DIRECTING STAFF TO BRING A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE 3349 BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT TO ADD $14,000 FOR LIGHTING. COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> ALL RIGHT, HERE WE ARE AGAIN. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THIS ITEM, TAYLOR HAD THE SAME BUDGET ITEM, OR THE SAME ITEM TO, TO -- OR THEY FUNDED THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT IN THEIRS. IN THEIR BUDGET. AND SO, I GUESS, IN FINALIZING THINGS, THEY ASKED, OR COUNCILMEMBER ROBERT GARCIA, WE'LL CALL HIM OUT. HE MENTIONED, HE ASKED ABOUT LIGHTING THE MARKHAM -- WELCOME TO TAYLOR, THANKS FOR VISITING TAYLOR. AND SO THIS IS JUST TO, I GUESS, COME BACK TO SEE IF WE CAN LIGHT OUR WELCOME TO HUTTO AND THANK YOU FOR VISITING HUTTO. SO IT'S HARDWIRED. THE NOTES ARE IN THERE, THE 14,000 IS FOR ACTUAL LIGHTS. IT'S GOING TO BE HARDWIRED. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR POWER AND

MAINTENANCE. ON THE LIGHTING. >> PROCESS QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. SINCE 1315 IS ALSO BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE SAME BEAUTIFICATION, ARE WE ALLOWED TO INCREASE THAT FROM 41,000 TO 55,000? OR BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED AT 41, YOU CAN'T GO

ABOVE IT? >> YEAH. I THINK THAT --

>> HE SAID 13.5. >> NO, 13.15. SORRY.

>> 13.15? >> IT'S THE SECOND READING FOR THE FIRST BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR JUST FUNDING THE PROJECT.

>> OH. >> JUST GOT UP, OR DO WE NEED TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THEN COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER BUDGET AMENDMENT IF THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO?

>> OH YEAH. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. THIS WOULD BE OUR SECOND

READING ON THE -- >> THEY CAN CHANGE IT BEFORE A SECOND READING. THEY CAN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT BEFORE -- AND WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO ANYMORE READINGS.

>> YEAH, BUT THEY DIDN'T. AND THE SECOND READING ON THIS ONE, IT'S JUST LIMITED TO THIS PRODUCT IN THE 41. SO YEAH.

>> I LIKE ALBERTA SAYING I BRING THE SECOND ONE, BECAUSE I LIKE BUDGET AMENDMENTS. I WAS TRYING TO SPEAK --

>> WE APPRECIATE THAT FOR THE MAYOR.

>> I WAS TRYING TO BE EASY THE ONE TIME, AND --

>> AND WE SHUT YOU DOWN. >> SORRY.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAD A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE 12.9.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COUNSEL NUMBER THOMASON, SECONDED BY COUNSEL NUMBER KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> MOTION PASSES 7-0.

[12.11. Discussion and possible action relating to the release of all emails sent and/or received by Mayor Snyder regarding the East/West Spine Road including but not limited to bids and contracts (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 1211, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO THE RELEASE OF ALL EMAILS SENT AND/OR RECEIVED BY MAYOR SNYDER REGARDING THE EAST-WEST SPINE ROAD INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BIDS AND CONTRACTS. IF I WANTED TO RELEASE SOME EMAILS, I'D SEND OUT TO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC, I HAD TO DO IT THROUGH THE PIA,

OR WE HAD TO VOTE ON IT. >> RIGHT. NO. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, SOMEBODY HAS FILED A PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST FOR THESE EMAILS, SO THE TIME THAT, AND IT STILL IN PROCESS., AND THE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT I.T. HAS FOUND. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE REQUESTER TO LIMIT THEIR REQUEST. AND SO I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU HOLD OFF UNTIL WE DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUEST.

BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 15 EMAILS THAT I HAVE EVER SENT OR

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RECEIVED REGARDING THIS MATTER. >> DAVID REEVES CAME UP WITH

12,000, SO. >> I MEAN, THERE'S A DOUBLE COUNT SOMEWHERE. SO IS THERE A WAY TO SAY THAT IT'S OKAY FOR US TO RELEASE IT UNDER REASONABLE --

>> I MEAN, WE HAD TO LOOK AT --

>> LIKE -- PEANUT BECAUSE ATTACHMENTS COULD BE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE CONTRACT RELEASE THAT'S

UNDERGOING AAG. >> SOAP COULD HE PROVIDE THE SPECIFIC EMAILS THAT HE WANTS TO RELEASE TO YOU AND THEN VOTE

ON THAT SPECIFIC THING? >> THERE YOU GO.

>> DATES AND TIMES? >> SO HERE'S WHAT I THINK THEIR DRAWING SO MANY RESPONSES IS BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING KEYWORD SEARCHES FOR EAST-WEST SPINE ROAD, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING TRYING TO CAPTURE EVERY POSSIBILITY OF WHAT'S OUT THERE. THERE'S A ZERO CHANCE THAT THERE IS 12,000 EMAILS ABOUT THE EAST/WEST SPINE ROAD.

>> SO WHEN I BRING THIS BACK ON THE 21ST, YOU GUYS WANT THE

DATE AND THE TIME OF THE EMAIL? >> IF YOU SAY THE DATE, TIME, AND THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE EMAIL AND WHO YOU SENT IT TO, OR YOU JUST PRINT THEM OUT YOURSELF, YEAH. THAT'LL BE

EVEN EASIER. >> NOT TRYING TO BE IN THE PACKET, BUT THEY'LL BE IN OUR COUNSEL.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE NEVER GOT THE CONTRACT SENT TO US. WE GOT A LINK THAT YOU CAN LOG INTO AND GET IT. AND SO THE MOST SOMEONE WOULD GET WAS AN ATTORNEY SENT US A LINK. SO THERE'S NO ONE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET AROUND ANYTHING, BUT.

REASON THIS ITEM IS HERE IS EXACTLY KIND OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC, AND I SAID, I GOT A QUESTION, AND I WON'T SAY WHO, BUT SOMEONE COMES OFF WITH, AND I MAKE THIS ARGUMENT, I'VE BEEN TRYING SINCE NOVEMBER. AND THEN I GET THE SAME COMMENT LIKE EITHER ON MISSTATING FACTS, I'M NOT TELLING THE TRUTH, AND SO THEN PEOPLE SAID, WELL, SO YOU SENT EMAILS , AND THEY'RE SAYING YOU'RE LYING, AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WELL THEN, I'LL JUST RELEASE EMAILS. BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF PLAYING THE GAME. JUST LIKE I'M NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT SOMETHING IN CRISIS AND I END UP GETTING GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU CAN'T RELEASE THAT BECAUSE OF THE DEITY. SO THESE COMMENTS EVERY TIME THE COMMENTS COME UP I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO JAMES AND THE COMMENTS, IT'S GOING ON THE AGENDA TO RELEASE WHATEVER MEMO PEOPLE CREATE WHATEVER CONSPIRACY THEORY THEY HAVE COMING TO RELEASE AND EVERYTHING SO THAT I DON'T LOOK LIKE I'M BUYING THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE CRAP UP LOOK LIKE THEY'RE MAKING CRAP UP AND CREATING CONTROVERSY.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACT WASN'T INCLUDED.

[12.12. Consideration and possible action relating to request dated February 22, 2024, for pertinent emails from all City Council members and place the emails in a folder marked as "Confidential - For Official Eyes Only". (Councilmember Dana Wilcott)]

BEING DONE. >> OKAY.

>> SO I'LL BRING BACK THE EMAILS, AND THEN I'LL BE GIVING THEM TO DOTTIE. AND THAT WORKS.

>> ALL RIGHT. 12.12, CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO REQUEST DATED FEBRUARY 22ND, 2024 FOR PERTINENT EMAILS FROM ALL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS AND PLACE THE EMAILS IN A FOLDER MARKED AS CONFIDENTIAL FOR OFFICIAL LIES

ONLY. >> YEAH, SO I BROUGHT THIS ONE UP BECAUSE I, I AM WONDERING WHY. SO IT SAYS EMAILS CONCERNING THE WORDS LAWSUIT, THE TERMINATION, RACE, RACIST, MEDIA, PRESS, CBS, AND/OR OTIS INCLUDED IN THIS FOLDER. SO I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PULLING

EMAILS FOR ALL THOSE THINGS. >> WELL, THE PROTOCOLS JUST ALLOW YOU AS A COUNCILMEMBER TO REQUEST INFORMATION. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS RULED THAT IF YOU AS A COUNCILMEMBER ARE REQUESTING SOMETHING IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, YOU RECEIVE THE INFORMATION. IT'S NOT LIKE EXEMPTION FOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IF THE COUNCILMEMBER REQUESTS, THEN THE CITY PROVIDES. AND THAT HE'S

FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOLS. >> KNOW I TOTALLY GET IT. BUT WHAT'S THE POINT OF PULLING ALL THESE EMAILS TOGETHER? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE INTENT? AND HERE'S WHY? THERE'S SOME EMPLOYEES WHO ARE, THEY FEEL LIKE THIS OF THE BIT OF HARASSMENT CHECKING THEIR EMAILS TO SEE WHAT'S BEING PUT IN THEN AND THEY FEEL LIKE NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN ON THEM. THEY ARE NOT AT FAULT FOR ANY OF THIS. SO WHY --

>> THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING ONLY COUNSEL CAN --

>> RIGHT. THEY'RE LIKE, WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT -- IT'S KIND

OF LIKE -- >> YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO LOOK

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IN YOUR PROTOCOLS. >> BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM. LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING AT 4:00? WHAT'S THE INTENT? WHAT'S THE INTENT TO HAVE ALL OF THIS EVENT FILE? REQUESTED IT. YOU HAVEN'T SAID THAT YET.

>> WE CAN START THERE. WHO REQUESTED IT? LIKE, I'M, WHY? WHAT'S THE INTENT OF HAVING THESE IN A FOLDER?

>> SO WE KNOW WHO QUESTIONED IT. IT'S NOT A SECRET. IT WAS ME. IT'S REQUESTED EMAILS FROM CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE EMPLOYEES. SO IF YOU'RE OUT TALKING TO EMPLOYEES AND SCARING THEM IN THE AND STUFF, THERE'S NO, IT'S BETWEEN COUNCILMEMBERS, THE KEYWORDS. SO IT'S, IT'S VERY -- BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S ONLY COUNCILMEMBER EMAILS THAT HAVE THOSE WORDS THAT YOU REQUESTED

TO SEE ALL OF THOSE EMAILS. >> YES. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW AN EMPLOYEE WOULD EVEN KNOW UNLESS WE'RE TALKING TO EMPLOYEES ABOUT INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING.

>> RIGHT. >> BECAUSE WHY WOULD AN EMPLOYEE KNOW THAT I EVEN REQUESTED SOMETHING THAT WENT TO DOTTIE, THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE I.T. PERSON? SO PART OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING IN THIS CITY IS THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO STIR UP PROBLEMS, AND THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO PUT THEM TO BED. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY ANY EMPLOYEES, I'M SORRY IF EMPLOYEES ARE SOMEHOW BEING DRUG INTO THINGS ON THE COUNCIL DAIS. THAT IS UNFORTUNATE. ALL I'LL SAY IS THIS. I GOT SOME QUESTIONS. AND I FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL PROTOCOL? I'VE BEEN REPRIMANDED BEFORE FOR NOT BREAKING ANYTHING, AND AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY SENDING AN EMAIL THAT SAID I'M FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL PROTOCOL, I'M DOING THE RULES WE AGREED TO AND IS A KIND OF HER CORTICAL QUESTIONS. IS THIS CONTRARY TO STATE TEXAS STATE LAW? I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN 2019. WE HAD A HUGE MESS UP HERE BECAUSE I WANTED ONE LEASE , AND WE ENDED UP CHANGING ALL THE RULES TO WHERE I COULDN'T GET IT, AND IT ENDED UP BEING A VIOLATION

OF STATE LAW. SO. >> I WOULDN'T SAY YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW PROTOCOL. YOU DID. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY DO YOU WANT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THEM?

>> WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST WE WORRY MORE ABOUT THE $1.3 BILLION IN PROJECTS WE HAVE, AND LESS ABOUT EVERY -- BECAUSE

HERE'S THE THING. >> THEN WHY DID YOU WASTE YOUR TIME CREATING A FOLDER FOR THESE IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT ROADS? HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S PETTY. YOU CAUSE THIS. THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THIS IS YOUR ISSUE. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO PENALIZE EVERYBODY FOR YOUR

ISSUE? >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT --

>> DON'T BRING ME INTO YOUR BEST.

>> WE SHOULD EACH TAKE OUR TURNS. I'M NOT GOING BACK AND

FORTH. >> THIS IS YOUR MESS. DON'T BRING ME INTO YOUR MESS. YOU DID THIS, NOT ME.

>> YOU HAD THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> THAT'S BECAUSE I WANTED TO ASK YOU.

>> YEAH, BUT I, TO JUST REALLY CUT TO THE CHASE, WE'RE NOT POSTED TO TALK ABOUT MY. WE'RE POSTED TO TALK ABOUT A REQUEST DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2024. THERE'S NO INFORMATION --

>> THAT'S GREAT, DOTTIE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE

KNOWS THAT THIS IS MESS. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ON THE PROTOCOLS, SO WE CAN ASK FOR INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FULFILL OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A

COUNCILMEMBER. >> IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY.

>> RIGHT, SO IN MY OFFICIAL CAPACITY, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK FOR INFORMATION JUST TO ASK FOR THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE I'M CURIOUS. LIKE, IF I WANT AN EMPLOYEE'S INFORMATION, OR IF I WANT SOMETHING, A POLICE REPORT THAT CHIEF YARBOROUGH HAS AND I HEARD SOMETHING WENT DOWN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO I'M ASKING FOR THAT, BECAUSE I CAN, IT'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT WE, IN OUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEKING NEEDS TO BE USED IN OUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY. IS THAT NOT TRUE? OR I CAN ASK FOR WHATEVER I WANT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT AGEE HAS INDICATED THAT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, THAT THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED. AGEE DOESN'T SAY YOU GO BEHIND AND QUESTION WHY THE PERSON WANTS IT. IF THE INFORMATION, THOUGH, IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, LIKE A POLICE ONGOING INVESTIGATION --

>> RIGHT, YES. >> OR THEIRS, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING A REQUEST TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T HAVE IT IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY .

>> I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT CLARIFICATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE WHEN WE DISCUSSED, WE DISCUSSED THIS IN 2019 AND HAD SOME VERY HEATED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WERE ADVISED THAT IT'S -- ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OUR FORMER CITY ATTORNEY SAID

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BUSINESS. >> WE'LL CHECK WITH THE AG HAS RULED WHAT YOU CAN HAVE, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION PROTECTED BY SOME LAW. THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T --

>> OKAY. SO IT'S MAINLY ABOUT CONFIDENTIALITY OF INFORMATION

AND HOW I WOULD USE THAT. >> SO, DOTTIE, SO YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS NECESSARY FOR HIM TO HAVE IN HIS

CAPACITY? >> IT'S, IT'S A REQUEST, AND WE LOOKED AT THE REQUEST. THERE'S NO CONFIDENTIALITY OF GIVING IN THE INFORMATION AND PUTTING IT IN , MARKING IT CONFIDENTIAL FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. NOW --

>> SO WHILE WE ARE FOCUSING ON ROADS AND WATER AND WASTEWATER, WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR CITY EMPLOYEES TO PULL ALL THESE EMAILS AND INTO A FOLDER SO THAT HE CAN LOOK THROUGH ALL THE EMAILS AND DECIDE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THE EMAILS, AND, AND YOU GUYS THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY OKAY?

>> IT'S PART OF YOUR PROTOCOLS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING

-- >> OKAY.

>> WE DON'T CAST JUDGMENT ON IT.

>> OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAKING SURE YOU'RE THINKING THIS IS

IN HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY. >> DON'T CAST JUDGMENT.

>> TO CLARIFY, WHAT'S IN THE PROTOCOLS IS THAT IF SOMEBODY REQUESTED, IT GOES TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNCIL, REGARDLESS OF THE PROTOCOLS BY THE AG'S DECISION. IF A COUNCILMEMBER REQUEST SOMETHING AND SAYS, I NEED THIS, AND IT CONFIDENTIAL, THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE STATE LAW. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> THAT WAS A LOT OF WORDS. >> WOW. THE PROTOCOLS ARE ONLY SAYING THAT IF ONE MEMBER REQUESTED, IT GOES TO EVERYBODY. THAT'S WHAT THE PROTOCOLS ARE SAYING.

>> CORRECT. >> IF WE ELIMINATED THAT IN THE PROTOCOLS, IF RUN BY THE REQUEST SOMETHING, THEY WOULD GET IT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY LEGALLY CAN'T GET TO THE PRIVATE FOR AN INVESTIGATION OR PRIVATE INFORMATION, WHATEVER. IF IT'S NOT PRIVATE INFORMATION, IF YOU REQUEST IT, YOU GET IT, AND IT'S, AND IT'S, THERE'S NO LIMITATION THAT REALLY CAN BE PUT ON THAT UNLESS --

>> THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT DOESN'T CONTROL THE OFFICIALS

RIGHT OF ACCESS. >> OH, I DON'T HAVE ANY EMAILS, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY EMAILS THAT HE'S GOING TO FIND, AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT THEM. I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY WHEN WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON OTHER THINGS. BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY EMAILS ON ANY OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE IT NOT MY BUSINESS. I DIDN'T GET MY MESS INTO IT, AND IT'LL BE HANDLED HOW IT'S HANDLED. I JUST, I THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON MOVING FORWARD, AND WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US INSTEAD OF THIS MESS BEHIND US.

>> AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT THE AG HAS SAID THE FACT THAT HE'S ASKING FOR THESE RECORDS IN HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY, IT'S NOT A RELEASE OF THE REQUESTED RECORDS TO THE PUBLIC, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WHATEVER, YOU SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, REALLY, ABOUT THE CONTENT.

>> THE SPECIFIC CONTENT. >> IF THERE'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO RELEASE, I WOULD DO WHAT I DID ON 12/11.

>> SO THE IMPORTANT ASPECTS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THE INFORMATION GETS PRODUCED DOESN'T MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO

GO RELEASE. >> NO, THAT'S COOL. HE'S JUST BEING NOSY. I'M, I'M COOL WITH THAT.

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS. >> CAN YOU STOP TALKING, PLEASE? COULD THE GALLERY PLEASE STOP TALKING?

>> BETWEEN THE, THE NAME-CALLING, THE ACCUSATIONS THAT I GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK FOR STUFF UP HERE ALL THE TIME, AND I DON'T SIT AROUND AND ASK, WHY DID YOU DO THIS, AND WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT, AND WHY DID YOU PUT ON THAT ON THE AGENDA? WHEN YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, WHAT

DID I TELL YOU? >> WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHY, BUT YOU'RE JUST BEING NOSY.

>> BUT ANYTIME I DO SOMETHING, I'M UNDER THIS MICROSCOPE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN ME, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS. FOR ALL THE EFFORTS AND TALKING ABOUT HOW ONE OF A WASTE OF TIME THIS IS, YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, YOU SPENT 30 MINUTES GRILLING THE CITY ATTORNEY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW NOT TO GET IT, AND FROM THE STAFF'S STANDPOINT, IT DIDN'T HURT BECAUSE THE CITY ENGINEER WASN'T INVOLVED, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WASN'T INVOLVED, THE CITY MANAGER WASN'T INVOLVED, THE I.T. PERSON DOES A FEW BUTTONS, PULLED A FEW THINGS, LOADED TO THE COMPUTER. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE HAVING TO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BRING IN SPECIAL PEOPLE --

>> AS LONG AS IT'S FOR YOU, MAYOR, IT'S ALL GOOD. MOVING

ON. >> I JUST, WE SHOULD BE MORE

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>> I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN OUR EMAILS. MAKES US FEEL

GOOD. >> SO NO ACTION ON THAT ONE?

>> NO ACTION REQUIRED. >> THEY MAY WANT TO TRY TO DO

[13. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]

SOMETHING. >> MAN, I REALLY AM NOT WORRIED

ABOUT YOU THAT HARD. >> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.4, 13.5, 13.6, 30.7, 13.8, 13.9, 13.1, 13.11, 13.12, 13.13, 13.14, 30.15, 13.16, 13.17, AND 13.18 FOR CONSIDERATION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WISH TO HAVE PULLED?

>> I LIKE 13.9 PULLED. >> 13.9 PULLED? I'D LIKE 13.7,

13.8 PULLED. ANY OTHERS? >> CAN, CAN I REQUEST THAT ONE

BE PULLED? >> WHICH ONE?

>> IT'S THE ONE ON THE BLANKET PURCHASE ORDERS .

>> OH BOY -- >> 13.6.

>> I'M SORRY, DID YOU EMAIL ME THE ON THAT?

>> IT'S 13.6, AND THE REASON WHY IS TO BE ABLE TO DISPENSE WITH SECOND READING. IF YOU WANT TO.

>> THANK YOU. >> OH, I GOT YOU, OKAY. I WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER.

>> 13.1 ALSO HAD TO GET PUSHED, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S THE

FRAME SWITCH ITEM, DOTTIE. >> YEAH.

>> GOOD CATCH. I'D LIKE TO PULL 13.1 TOO. I DON'T KNOW

WHY. >> SO WE'RE PULLING ONE, SIX,

SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE? >> YES, SIR.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE OTHER CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. APPROVING ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS EXCEPT FOR 13.1, 13.6, 13.7, 13.8, AND 13.9. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT.

>> COUNSEL NUMBER, EXCUSE ME, THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. TRENT 25 HUTTO NINE >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THAT

[13.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-058 related to approval of a change order and authorizing the City Manager to execute the same for the Frameswitch Pumping Station Improvements project and the Smart Ball Testing project with ACP, LTD in the amount of $261,800 (CIP W02-2023) (CIP W16-2024) (Matt Rector)]

>> GO AHEAD, DOTTIE. >> SO MATT MIGHT NEED TO HELP ME. THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE CHANGE ORDER

>> THAT GOOD ENOUGH? >> SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS,

IS -- >> THIS MEANS YES, THIS MEANS

NO. >> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE WERE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN WAS, IS THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, IS THIS GOING TO BE 25%? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT QUESTION WAS NEVER ANSWERED. AND THEN, AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO COUNSEL, THERE WAS A QUESTION.

QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN THE AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S NOT A CHANGE ORDER, BUT THEN IT SAYS THAT THEY CHANGE ORDER. SO TO CLARIFY, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN WE AWARDED THE FRAME SWITCH PROJECT FOR THE PUMP STATION AND STORAGE TANKS, WE AWARDED THAT TO ACP. WELL THEN, THIS YEAR, IN THIS CIP, WE HAD THE SMART BALL AND PRESSURE TESTING. AND PART OF THAT PROJECT REQUIRES THE CERTAIN FACILITIES, CERTAIN APPARATUS BE INSTALLED AT FRAME SWITCH TO DO THE PRESSURE TESTING AND SMART BALL. AND SO, RATHER THAN GO AND TRY TO AWARD THIS TO ANOTHER CONTRACTOR AND TRY TO ADD THEM INTO THAT CONFINED SPACE, WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE JUST TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH ACP, AND HAVE THEM INSTALLED THIS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. AND SO IT IS A CHANGE ORDER IN THE TRUE SENSE OF THE TERM THAT WE'D BE CHANGING THEIR CONTRACT, BUT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CONVEY IS, WE'RE CHANGING THEIR CONTRACT, BUT WE'RE PAYING FOR IT NOT FROM THE SWING FOR LUNCH, BUT FROM THE SMART BALL

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AS PART OF THE CIP. AND WE ARE WITHIN, WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE

20 -- >> OKAY. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO -- AND SO WE COULDN'T GET THE ITEM READY.

TO NEXT WEEK? OR -- >> NEXT TIME.

>> NEXT COUNCIL. >> IT'S COMING OUT OF SMART BALL PRESSURE PUMPING TEST BALLOON, WHAT? PRESSURE TESTING

-- >> NO ACTION, SIR.

>> SO THE, THE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE CHANGE ORDER WILL COME FROM THE SMART BALL PRESSURE TESTING PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS AUTHORIZED DURING THE CIP CONVERSATIONS LAST SUMMER RATHER THAN TAKING THE FUNDS FROM THE FRAMESWITCH PRODUCT,

[13.6. Consideration and possible action on approval of Ordinance No. 0-2024-018 regarding Blanket Purchase Orders for consumable goods and services (Alberta Barrett)]

>> OKAY. AND THAT'S COMING BACK ON THE 21ST?

>> YES SIR. >> OKAY, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 13.6, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2024-018 REGARDING BLANKET PURCHASE ORDER FOR

CONSUMABLE GOODS AND SERVICES. >> SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER O-2024-018 AS PRESENTED, AND TO DISPENSE OF THE SECOND READING.

>> SECOND. >> FIRST BY COUNSEL NUMBER CLARK, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR. CAN YOU DO IT AND DISPENSE SECOND READING IN THE SAME DEAL, DOTTIE, OR DO YOU

HAD TO DO A SECOND? >> WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT TWO MOTIONS TO PROVE THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN MOTION TO DISPENSE --

>> YUP. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE BOAT.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> AYE. MOTION PASSES 7-0.

>> MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO DISPENSE THE SECOND READING?

>> YUP. >> MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION DISPENSING THE SECOND READING? DOTTIE. I KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY, ON SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE THIS THAT WE KIND OF KNOW IF WE WANT TO, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN ONE MOTION? IS THERE, LIKE, A LEGAL REASON, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TWO VOTES?

I'M JUST ASKING. >> IT'S JUST KIND OF THE WAY

THE CHARTER RATES. >> OKAY. THAT'S FINE. JUST,

JUST CURIOUS. >> I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN COMBINE IT.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT WE

[13.7. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-053 authorizing continued participation with the Atmos Cities Steering Committee and authorizing payment of five cents per capita to the Atmos Cities Steering Committee to fund regulatory and related activities related to Atmos Energy Corporation (Legal)]

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MAYOR SNYDER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> NAY.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> AYE.

>> I LOST TRACK. WAS THAT ALL? OKAY. MOTION PASSES 6-1.

>> I DID HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION. I THOUGHT YOU CAN'T --

>>:. ON THAT ITEM? >> YES.

>> YES. I, I DIDN'T THINK YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN

MOTION. >> I THINK UNDER RULES YOU CAN.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND THEN VOTE AGAINST IT.

>> YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T TALK AGAINST IT, BUT YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT, WHICH IS A WEIRD WORLD. YOU CAN'T ARGUE AGAINST IT DURING DELIBERATIONS, BUT THEN YOU CAN ULTIMATELY VOTE

AGAINST IT. >> I CAN GET YOU GUYS WOUND UP

-- >> NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE

[13.8. Consideration and possible action relating to Resolution No. R-2024-054 authorizing continued participation with the Steering Committee of Cities served by Oncor; and authorizing the payment of ten cents per capita to the steering committee to fund regulatory and legal proceedings and activities related to Oncor Electric Delivery Company, LLC. (Legal)]

OR TALKING ABOUT NORWICH. >> ITEM 13.8, CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-054, AUTHORIZING CONTINUED PARTICIPATION WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE OF CITIES SERVED BY ONCOR , AND AUTHORIZING THE PAYMENT OF $0.10 PER CAPITA TO THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO FUND

[04:45:01]

>> SECOND. >> SAVE THE TROUBLE.

>> MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. DISCUSSION ON THIS? WELL, NOW I CAN DISCUSS

WHY. >> ALL! WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE

FOR 10 MORE MINUTES! >> I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING

GOOD, TOO. WE WERE ON A ROLL. >> I JUST DON'T --

>> I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. >> HE SAID THE SAME THING. LET

HIM DO HIS THING. >> YOU KNOW I VOTE AGAINST THIS EVERY YEAR, AND I JUST DON'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING. IT'S A TAXPAYER-FUNDED LOBBY GROUP THAT WE'RE THE ONLY CITY IN OUR AREA UP UNTIL YOU GET TO, LIKE, COLLEEN OR BELTON THAT IS INVOLVED. IT'S MAINLY OUT OF DFW. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IT'S JUST A PRINCIPAL FOR ME. I DON'T LIKE, WHAT YOU CALL THEM? I DON'T LIKE LOBBYISTS. THAT'S

ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER

DISCUSSION? >> SO, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS LOBBYISTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE FIGHTING

TO RATE CASES ON OUR BEHALF. >> IT'S A LOBBY GROUP. THAT IS AN ATTORNEY. HERE'S HOW I LOOK AT THIS. WE'RE GOING TO SET THE RATE WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND SO WE ALL DANCED TOGETHER.

THEY START HIGHER. THEY PLAY THE GAME, AND THE RATE COMES DOWN LOWER. WE'RE THE ONLY CITY, LITERALLY, IN THIS AREA, TAYLOR, TAYLOR, THE MAYOR OF TAYLOR AS A CORPORATE ATTORNEY FOR, FOR HER COT, AND THEY DON'T EVEN GET INVOLVED IN IT OVER THERE. BUT IN DFW, IT'S RAMPANT. EVERY CITY IN DFW IS INVOLVED IN IT. YOU PAY, LIKE, $2000, AND WE GET THOSE EMAILS, AND IT'S THE SAME ATTORNEY WITH THE SAME FIRM THAT DOES ALL THE UTILITIES. AND IF EVERY CITY GIVES THEM $2000, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY GOOD LIVING. BUT AGAIN, WE HAD A HUGE DEBATE BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, AND STAFF DID, LIKE, I THINK IT WAS LIKE TWO MONTHS WORTH OF WORK WENT IN TO FIND OUT THAT IT SAVED

PEOPLE -- BUT IT DOES -- >> IT'S SAVING, IT'S SAVING EVERY ELECTRIC CUSTOMER FOR ENCORE ABOUT $58 A YEAR, EVERY CUSTOMER. SO IT'S $4.00 A MONTH THE DIFFERENCE. IF WE DON'T, UNLESS WE WANT TO GO FIND IT OURSELVES, IN WHICH CASE WE CAN GO NEGOTIATE OUR OWN RATE AND PAY OUR OWN ATTORNEY FEES TO DO THAT. OTHERWISE, WE WOULD JUST -- RATE THAT THEY PROPOSE, WHICH IS, WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, IT BASICALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ABOUT ZERO DOLLARS -- $7.00 A MONTH , AND $3.00 A MONTH IS WHAT IT ENDED UP ASPIRATES AND HOW COME NO OTHER CITY MANAGER IN CENTRAL TEXAS, SAN ANTONIO, DOES IT?

>> SAN ANTONIO HAS THEIR OWN, THEY HAVE A --

>> AND, LIKE, GEORGETOWN. YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO DO IT.

>> THEY DON'T CARE IF THEIR CITIZENS PAY MORE. THAT'S FINE. YOU VOTE AGAINST IT TOO, SO THAT'S FINE. THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN PLACE BEFORE I GOT HERE, ARGUABLY. BUT --

>> BUT IT'S TRUE. I MEAN, IF YOU VOTE NO, AND IF WE ALL VOTED NO, THAT EVERY PERSON IN HUTTO WOULD PAY $4.00 MORE A MONTH, AND YOU THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S NOT ATTACKING YOU, THAT'S A STATEMENT OF FACT. IF WE ALL VOTED THE WAY YOU VOTED, EVERY CITIZEN IN HUTTO WOULD PAY $4.00 MORE PER MONTH. OR WE CAN SPEND THE $5000, AND EVERYONE IN THE CITY OF HUTTO GETS $4.00 LESS PER MONTH ON THEIR UTILITY BILL. THAT IS A FACT. SO THAT'S NOT AN ATTACK, IT'S JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT, OKAY? YOU MADE A STATEMENT OF FACT AND WHAT, AND I GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE OF FACT ON WHY I DID VOTE FOR IT, OKAY?

>> ALL I'M SAYING IS , AS MUCH FACTS AS WE DO UP HERE, I WANTED TO COME BACK A YEAR LATER AND GO, WELL, YEAH, I KIND OF BUMMED ON THAT, THAT SPREADSHEET I DID. IT'S SOME MARKET THING, AND IF WE'RE THE ONLY CITY, THE SOONEST SMART THING HERE, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WHEN WE GET THIS DONE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHEAPER RATE THAN

REDROCK? >> YEAH, BY $4.00 PER MONTH.

>> WE GOT LEARNING TO DO. OKAY.

>> I AGREE THAT IT'S A RACKET FOR THE FIRM THAT DOES THIS, BECAUSE THEY GET EVERYBODY SIGNED UP AND THEY MAKE MONEY OFF IT, BUT IT'S MORE COST-EFFECTIVE FOR US THAT IF WE EVER HAD TO HIRE A LAWYER EVEN ONCE FOR ONE TIME TO TALK

TO SOMEBODY. >> YOU HAVE TO GO --

>> WE PAY MORE THAN THAT. SO IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE FOR THE

CITY. >> THEY DO THEIR WORK. I SEEN THEM IN A FEW MEETINGS. THEY SHOW UP, THEY TALK, YOU KNOW? AND THEY, THEY WORK FOR THEIR MONEY. I WAS LIKE, OH!

>> IT'S LIKE THE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PEOPLE. THEY COME IN, THEY NEGOTIATE RATES, AND YOU ALWAYS END UP PAYING MORE. I'M JUST SAYING. ANYWAY. ELECTRICITY IS HIGHER HERE THAN IT IS IN OTHER PLACES THAT I BY ELECTRICITY. THE, THE ENCORE CHARTERS. AND SO FOR WHATEVER WE'RE DOING THAT'S NOT WORKING, BECAUSE

WE'RE PAYING MORE. >> WE HAVE NO OPTION. YOU

CAN'T CHOOSE -- >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS GUY DOES. THAT'S WHAT THIS GUY DOES.

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>> YOU CAN'T QUIT. >> NO. WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS, THEIR JOB IS TO -- YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH IT, BECAUSE IT'S $2000. I DON'T EVEN CARE. IT'S A PRINCIPAL.

>> I DON'T GET IT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE

ARGUING WITH ME? NO? >> NO, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE BOAT.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? >> AYE.

>> MAYOR SNYDER? >> NAY.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK? >> AYE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON? >> MAYOR SNYDER? --

[13.9. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-048 regarding Council and City Manager expense reimbursements (Mayor Mike Snyder)]

>> AYE.. >> MOTION PASSES 6-1. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 13.9, CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-048 REGARDING COUNSEL AND CITY MANAGER

EXPENSE REIMBURSEMENTS. >> MAYOR, THIS IS YOUR ITEM.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON? >> NO QUESTIONS, GOT YOU.

SORRY. >> WHAT IS THIS? I MEAN, WHY, WHY ARE WE, WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS HERE?

>> MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, THERE'S AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING HAPPENED. I FORGOT HOW I GOT -- I WAS MADE AWARE OF IT. WE'VE HAD EXPENSES, AS THE CITY COUNCIL, REIMBURSED, AND PER THE CHARTER, IT'S A LITTLE , L PULLED IT UP REAL QUICK. IT'S A LITTLE VAGUE, BUT THERE'S, YOU CAN'T JUST GET REIMBURSED

ON YOUR COUNSEL EXPENSES. >> IT ACTUALLY SAYS, AND CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, PART C, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL FOLLOW THE CITY'S TRAVELING REIMBURSEMENT POLICY THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE CITY OF HUTTO EMPLOYEE MANUAL , AND IN THE EMPLOYEE MANUAL, UNDER 11.10, TRAVEL EXPENSES, IT'S A TRAVEL FOR THE PURPOSE OF OFFICIAL CITY OF HUTTO BUSINESS IS LIMITED TO BUSINESS ACTIVITY FOR WHICH THE MEANS OF COMMUNICATION IS INADEQUATE, IN WHICH PRIOR APPROVAL HAS BEEN RECEIVED. THE RELATED EXPENSES AND REIMBURSEMENTS ARE SUBJECT TO BUDGET LIMITATIONS, AND AUTHENTICATED EXPENSES. AND THEN IT TELLS YOU HOW TO PRODUCE THOSE. SO WE DID EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOL DID, AND WE FOLLOWED

THE, THAT PERSON POLICY. >> THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY, AND IT SOUNDS GREAT. BUT SECTION 3.04 OF THE CHARTERS OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BE ENTITLED TO ALL NECESSARY EXPENSES INCURRED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL COUNCIL DUTIES UPON APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO, AGAIN, I'M ALWAYS FIGHTING WITH YOU GUYS ON THE LITTLE TECHNICALITIES, BUT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

SO THE CHARTER TRUMPS ALL THE LITTLE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FIX THE COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, BUT ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS, AND I THINK THAT MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON DID A GREAT JOB , THAT -- AND WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT THIS, HE SAID, WELL, WHAT YOU SAID.

IT'S IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY. AND I SAID, OKAY. SO I CAN GO HAVE A $250 -- BECAUSE ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU SAID WAS, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THE MONEY IS BUDGETED THERE, AND YOU GUYS APPROVED ANYTHING, IT'S GOOD TO GO. AND I SAID,

OKAY, SO -- >> THE WAY THAT I INTERPRET THE APPROVAL BY COUNCIL'S COUNCIL APPROVED IT WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET TO SPEND THE MONEY TO TRAVEL.

>> SO I SAID TO THE CITY MANAGER, I SAID, SO I CAN GO HAVE A $250 STEAK DINNER, AND YOU HAVE TO PAY ME BACK FOR IT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE BUDGET AND IT WAS IN MY

OFFICIAL CAPACITY? >> THAT WASN'T TRAINING, THAT WASN'T -- BUT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO FOLLOW THE PER DIEM OF THE

CITY BUDGETING PROCESS. >> THIS, FACTUALLY, IS WHAT I TOLD HIM. AND THEY DISAGREE WITH WHAT I TOLD HIM. WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS WHAT I TOLD HIM. I'M NOT TELLING YOU, YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME. I'M TELLING YOU --

>> I'M HEARING WHAT YOU SAID.

>> OKAY, I'M RELAYING THE STORY THAT I HAD WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THIS IS WHAT I TOLD. I SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UPON APPROVAL, IF YOU GUYS SAY APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL MEANS WHEN YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, THAT EVERY PER DIEM AND EVERYTHING, WHAT IS IT, $60.00 A DAY, I CAN GO, I CAN GO MEET WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER IN DALLAS AND THEN WRITE OFF THE EXPENSES BECAUSE THE MONEY IS BUDGETED AND IT FOLLOWS THE TRAVEL

POLICY? >> NO. IT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE WE WERE ATTENDING A CONFERENCE, AND THE CONFERENCE WAS APPROVED. SO WHEN YOU ATTEND A CONFERENCE, THERE'S A, IT'S ACTUALLY FOLLOWED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, SO YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR PER DIEM FOR YOUR FIRST DAY, AND THAT EACH DAY AFTER THAT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT ON YOUR LAST DAY DEPENDING ON THE TIME THAT YOU GO IN THE TIME THAT IT ENDS. SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT YOU CAN USE IT AND THAT PART COMES THROUGH THE APPROVAL TO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE. SO BECAUSE WE WERE APPROVED TO ATTEND THE CONFERENCE, THEN WE ARE AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED TO GET A PER DIEM, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE OFFICIAL BUSINESS FOR THE CONFERENCE. IT'S NOT US JUST GOING AND HAVING LUNCH. WE WERE APPROVED TO ATTEND A CONFERENCE, AND THIS IS THE PER DIEM THAT YOU GET FOR THE CONFERENCE PER THE TEXAS GUIDELINES ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN GET FOR PER DIEM EACH DAY. AND IT ACTUALLY BREAKS IT DOWN INTO WHAT YOU CAN GET, WHAT TIME YOU CAN GET BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND

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>> THE CHARTER DOESN'T GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS. IT JUST IS A TEST TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO IN MY MIND, YOU HAVE OFFICIAL DUTIES. YOUR EXPENSES HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THE MAYOR PRO TEM DID A GREAT JOB. IF WE HAD EXPENSES, WE SHOULD NOT BE A LOT. THEY COME BACK IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE PUBLIC, I THINK, HAS A RIGHT TO ALSO KNOW WHAT WE SPEND ON THINGS, AND TO ME, THIS IS A REALLY, IT'S A REALLY EASY DEAL FOR ME.

>> ARE YOU ASKING FOR, LIKE, ITEMIZED RECEIPTS TO BE

PRESENTED, OR? >> WHAT THEY PER DIEM -- YOU JUST WHAT THEY ARE DOWN HERE THREE DAYS.

>> SO THIS IS MY -- AND I HAVE MY RECEIPTS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO

SEE THEM. IT WAS $111. >> I DIDN'T GO. I'M NOT EVEN

PART OF THAT. >> SO HERE'S WHAT I EXPECT. IF WE SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS, AND WE'RE OUT DOING SOMETHING, IT SHOULD BE -- I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S AN ISSUE TO SHOW YOUR RECEIPTS. YOU HAD TO SO YOUR RECEIPTS AND GET REIMBURSED, SO WHATEVER YOU GAVE TO THE COUNTY PEOPLE, IT'S ON OUR CONSENT.

WE APPROVED IT. YOU GET PAID THE NEXT DAY. IT'S NOT THAT

BIG A DEAL. >> NO, NO, NO. I'M NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL. I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT YOUR PROTOCOL IS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE NOTES. YOU DIDN'T WRITE OUT WHAT YOU WANT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT.

>> WELL, IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION. I MEAN, IT'S -- LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THE MAYOR PRO TEM DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. WE ARGUE ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. HE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. IT'S, IT'S ONE-PAGE, IT'S THREE SECTIONS.

THE FINDINGS SET FORTH IN RESOLUTION ARE FOUND TO BE TRUE AND CORRECT. SECTION 2, THE CITY COUNCIL HEREBY APPROVED A PROCESS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXPENSES INCURRED IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY IS POSTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE FIRST AVAILABLE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT THE REQUEST IS RECEIVED BY CITY STAFF. AND REIMBURSEMENTS ARE PROCESSED UPON APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA ITEM. IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN THAT. IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S

PRETTY CLEAR-CUT TO ME. >> SO I WAS THE ONE THAT RECOMMENDED THE WORDING OF THE, OF THE RESOLUTION. I KNEW WHERE THE MAYOR WAS GOING WHEN HE BROUGHT IT UP, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY IN THE, IN THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE APPROVED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAFF IS ALWAYS INTERPRETED -- I'VE ALWAYS INTERPRETED -- IF IT'S IN THE BUDGET, THAT'S THE APPROVAL, RIGHT? FOR ME, I'M JUST LIKE, WHATEVER. IF YOU WANT TO SEE MY RECEIPT FOR MY STRICKEN SANDWICH THAT I GOT, WHEN I WENT TO THE THING, FINE. LIKE, I DON'T CARE. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. I THINK SOME OF IT TOO IS IF WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEN MAYBE, NOT NECESSARILY ANYONE UP HERE, BUT MAY BE A FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBER MAY THINK TWICE ABOUT GOING TO THAT STEAK DINNER VERSUS GETTING CHICKEN FRIED STEAK OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW. BUT, BUT TO ME, I'M JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S, IT'S FINE. IF THE CHARTER SAYS COUNSEL NEEDS TO APPROVE IT, AND IF WE WANT TO BE MORE EXPLICIT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST PUT IT IN THERE AND

BE DONE WITH IT. >> BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE GSA HAS THESE LIMITS, RIGHT? YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH PER DAY, PER DIEM. LIKE, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN'T REALLY GO OVER THE GSA ALLOTMENT.

>> BUT -- SO, LIKE, WHENEVER I'VE TRAVELED, THERE'S A BUDGET SET IN ADVANCE, AND I'M TOLD WHAT THE PER DIEM IS. BUT WHEN I'M DONE TRAVELING AND I WANT TO GET REIMBURSED, I HAD TO SUBMIT IT, AND THEN MY BOSS HAS TO APPROVE IT, OR, IN CERTAIN CASES, IT MIGHT EVEN GO TO A HIGHER LEVEL TO GET APPROVED. SO SOMEBODY STILL HAD TO LOOK AT IT AND APPROVE IT.

AND I SO I THINK ALL THIS IS DOING IS SADIE COUNSEL SHOULD, SHOULD SEE THAT AND APPROVE THAT TO BE REIMBURSED. THAT'S ALL. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT POLICY. IT'S JUST THAT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT BY SOMEBODY WHO'S IN A POSITION TO APPROVE IT. THEY -- HAVING ANYBODY ON CITY STAFF DO IT, THE CITY MANAGER WORKS FOR US. SO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S UNDERNEATH YOU ON THE ORG CHART APPROVE YOUR EXPENSES. IT SHOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO'S ABOVE YOU ON THE ORG CHART TO WHATEVER EXTENT YOU CAN. SO FOR A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. SO TO ME, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT THIS WAY.

>> SO THAT HE ALSO CHANGE THE COUNSEL PROTOCOL. BECAUSE WE DID WHAT WE WERE EXPECTED TO DO. AND WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE PROTOCOLS. I ASKED FOR INFORMATION.

>> OKAY. >> SO MY ONE THOUGHT WOULD BE, FOR COUNCIL, INSTEAD OF EVEN GETTING INTO THAT, SO THAT IT'S VERY SIMPLE, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, IN OUR COMPANY, YOU CAN, YOU HAVE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING OUT CLIENTS OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DIFFERENT RATE, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO, YOU JUST HAVE YOUR PER DIEM RATE, AND YOU GO, AND YOU PREAPPROVED IN YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THIS THING, THEY JUST CUT YOU A CHECK EVEN BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT YOU'RE GOING FOUR DAYS, YOU GET THAT MONEY. BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAYBE DON'T HAVE,

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THERE'S NOTHING -- >> YOU'RE TALKING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. NOW YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, I JUST WANT THE PER DIEM, AND THEN IF I SPEND LESS, I POCKET THE REST. JUST GET REIMBURSED

FOR THE ACTUAL EXPENSES. >> I DON'T CARE. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT SIMPLE -- BUT THIS IS -- AND ALL THE CRITIQUES I COULD HAVE OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM, HE COULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS ANY SIMPLER THAN WHAT HE DID, AND IT'S TURNED INTO A DEAL, AND YOU'RE WANTING $50 A DAY JUST FOR

SHOWING UP. >> NO, I WAS JUST --

>> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, JUST GIVE ME

$50 A DAY BUT -- >> I SAID THERE MAY BE COUNCILMEMBERS IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD -- BUT I APPRECIATE YOU WATCHING TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S MICROMANAGING.

LIKE I AM NOT AN ADULT AND I CANNOT MANAGE YOUR PER DIEM AND I CANNOT MY RECEIPTS TO THE ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT.

>> BUT LET'S FOCUS UP HERE. >> -- ANYBODY THAT WORKS FOR A PRIVATE COMPANY, I THINK COUNCILMAN THORTON SAID IT. WE HAVE SHAKY RULES HERE, BECAUSE THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS CITY MANAGER. I WAS JUST TALKING TO MAYOR PRO TEM. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THERE, BUT IN EVERY OTHER PLACE OUT THERE, THAT I'VE EVER TALKED TO HIM ABOUT, THE SUPERIOR PERSON ALWAYS PAID. OR THE ORDINATE PAYZANT SUPERIOR PERSON ALWAYS APPROVES IT, AND TO WHAT HE SAID , YOU GET APPROVED TO GO DO SOMETHING, AND YOU GO TRAVEL, YOU COME BACK. YOU DON'T JUST SAY, THAT WAS $1200. YOU HAD TO TURN IN RECEIPTS. THIS IS SO EASY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN, AND THE CITY MANAGER THE SAME PROCESS, BECAUSE THE SAME THING HOLDS IN THAT I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS, I'VE, I'VE ONLY SEEN ONE CITY MANAGER RECEIVED, AND IT WAS FOR -- WAIT A MINUTE. I'M GOING TO, WHAT DO I CALL HERE? POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR.

>> COUNCILMEMBER. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT? COUNSEL NUMBER WILCOTT, PLEASE. PLEASE DON'T LEAVE THE DAIS AND THEN GO INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC.

>> WILL THEN DO YOUR JOB -- >> PLEASE. MUST BE MIDNIGHT.

>> I CAN'T, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE DOING THIS.

>> I KNOW. IT'S BEEN ALL NIGHT.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW US TO OPERATE WITHOUT PEOPLE YELLING?

>> THERE'S A FIRST AMENDMENT PROBLEM WE HAVE, AND I COULD TELL JIM TO BE QUIET, AND THEN JIM COULD TALK, AND WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO? HANDCUFF AND DRAGON OUT OF YOUR, CHIEF, TAKE THIS MAN, RESTING BECAUSE HE SPOKE OUT?

>> I DON'T THINK THE REST WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I THINK HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER IF HE --

>> MATT, CAN YOU PLEASE REMOVE THIS MAN, DRAGGING OUT BY HIS HANDS? I MEAN -- BUT NO, BEING CONDESCENDING IS NOT GOING TO HELP THE SITUATION. YOU ARE THE MAYOR, YOU SHOULD ASK HIM TO LEAVE IF HE CANNOT STOP MAKING COMMENTS.

>> I CAN'T EVEN GET THE COUNCIL TO STOP MAKING

CONTENTS, SO. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA.

THANK YOU. >> SEE, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T

DO THIS. OKAY. >> I DO NOT -- BUT ALL I WANT TO DO IS ADD IN THE CITY MANAGER. WE HAD A DEAL BEFORE TO WHERE, I THINK DEL FRISCO'S ONE-TIME. PERSONALLY, IT'S ANOTHER PRINCIPAL WITH ME. I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS THIS. WE HAD A DINNER. I WAS SICKENED BY THE COST. I WROTE THE CHECK TO THE CITY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M TRYING TO BE A JERK AND TRYING TO NITPICK ON SOMEBODY. I JUST SAY THAT ANYTIME WE SPEND MONEY, ESPECIALLY FOR PERSONAL USE, WE SHOULD JUST, IT SHOULD BE APPROVED BY US PER THE CHARTER, AND THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO SEE IT, AND I THINK I'VE BEEN LIVING WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M PREACHING, BUT.

>> AND I WILL SAY THE QUESTION, WHY I DIDN'T INTERVENE IN WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON HERE, AND TYPICALLY THEY CAN BE VERBAL.

IT HAS TO RISE TO FIGHTING WORDS BEFORE THE POLICE CAN EXERCISE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT RIGHTS.

>> SO FIGHTING WORDS IS SUBJECTIVE, SO WHO DETERMINES

THAT? YOU? >> THREATENING.

>> I FEEL THREATENED. >> HE WASN'T THREATENING YOU .

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE SAID. I JUST, I WASN'T EVEN

PAYING ATTENTION. >> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID. I HEARD WHAT HE SAID, AND I FELT THREATENED.

>> DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID? CITY MANAGER?

>> I'LL SEND OUT THE LEGAL MEMO ON HOW YOU CAN REMOVE SOMEBODY FROM THE CHAMBERS BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

I WASN'T -- I IGNORE A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO ON.

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>> YES YOU DO, AND I AM SO SICK OF THAT. I'M NOT UP HERE TO

GET BEAT UP ON. >> I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, I TRY TO IGNORE STUFF UP HERE BUT I TRY TO IGNORE A LOT OF STUFF.

I'LL WORK ON NOT IGNORING AS MUCH.

>> SO, DOTTIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK A PROPER WAY TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE TO MAKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE . IF, IF IT'S -- BECAUSE IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE ROOM THAT'S MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO CONCENTRATE, AND TO LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON, AND IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE AUDIENCE TALKING AND IT'S KIND OF LOUD, YOU CAN HAVE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, REQUEST THAT THE, THE CHAIR ADDRESS YOUR POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. YOU CAN STATE WHAT THAT IS, YOU CAN STATE EITHER SOMEBODY IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INTERACT WITH ME, OR IS BEING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, WOULD THAT BE AN APPROPRIATE WAY OF THE FUTURE? IF ANYONE UP HERE FEELS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON, POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, ADDRESS IT WITH THE CHAIR, AND ASKED THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS IT.

>> YES, AND I CAN'T RATE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE, BUT I CAN RECOGNIZE THAT SOMEBODY IS USING FIGHTING WORDS, AND

ADVISE THE COUNCIL. >> I WOULD JUST SAY THIS. IF WE FEEL THREATENED, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE HERE BEHIND THE BULLETPROOF DAIS AND GO SIT NEXT TO THE PERSON YOU FEEL THREATENED BY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE , NO OFFENSE TO MATT, HE'S LAID IN THE BACK THERE, BUT IF YOU FEEL THREATENED, THEN YOU GO TO THE PERSON THAT'S THREATENING YOU.

>> IF Y'ALL DON'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT, THEN I'LL HAVE TWO.

I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, BECAUSE YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME.

>> TO STAY OUT HERE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> AND LET IT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN?

>> SO CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS RESOLUTION TO ADD -- BUT HOLD ON. I DON'T THING WE EVER GOT TO A MOTION. THE

>> AND I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-048 AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGE TO ADD CITY MANAGER? THE, IN THE ELECTION. IT HASN'T PASSED IN THE CHARTER.

>> >> I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THE

SECOND? >> MYSELF.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

>> WE'RE DONE. >> HE'S GOT AN EXECUTIVE

SESSION? >> SOMETHING PENDING.

>> IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION.

>> SORRY. >> WE HAVE TO GO --

>> I THINK WE SAID SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO HER.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COUNCILMEMBER >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT?

>> NAY. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> AYE. TRENT 25 >> AYE. TRENT 24

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> NAY. >> MOTION PASSES 5-2. THAT INCLUDES THE CONSENT, AND THAT BRINGS US TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

BEFORE I READ ALL THESE, WHEN I SAY ALL THESE, THERE'S TWO.

ONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PENDING LEGAL THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK THERE AND TALK ABOUT? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, I WON'T DO

THAT ONE. >> I REQUESTED SOMETHING, BUT I

DON'T KNOW IT. >> I DIDN'T GET TO THAT.

>> YOU DIDN'T GET TO IT? OKAY. >> I HAD A QUESTION TOO, BUT I

CAN, I CAN DO IT. >> OKAY. AND THEN 14-2 , UNLESS THERE'S A LEGAL, WHICH I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEGAL TO TELL US, UNLESS YOU HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION, WE JUST NEED TO DO IT.

>> CORRECT. MAYOR, COUNCIL, I GAVE YOU A MEMO ON THE REAL ESTATE ACQUISITION RELATED TO THIS PUMP STATION PROJECT. IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION, WE CAN GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ANSWER THAT. BUT IF NOT, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD A RESOLUTION PREPARED AND DISTRIBUTED IF YOU DON'T HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS YOU CAN JUST ADDRESS THE RESOLUTION IN OPEN

[14. EXECUTIVE SESSION (Part 2 of 2)]

SESSION. >> ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL READ THE

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SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION. THAT WILL LET ME KNOW IF WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK. WASN'T THERE AN ISSUE OF LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON AN APPROACH TO THIS?

>> IT DOES MENTION THAT IN A MEMO, BUT THE MANAGER HAD BEEN GIVEN DIRECTION PREVIOUSLY ON WHAT COUNCIL -- SO --

>> OKAY, SO YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTION FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE

A MOTION FOR IT? >> YEAH, I CAN'T FIND IT. WHEN

DID YOU SEND IT? >> IT SHOULD BE WITH THE MEMO.

MAYBE. >> OH, MAYBE SOMEONE'S LOOKING

FOR DOTTIE. >> MELINDA, MAYBE? OR MARIANNE? RESOLUTION. YEAH. I THINK MELINDA WAS THE ONE WHO SENT

IT. >> NO, I GOT ONE FROM ANGELA.

>> ANGELA. OKAY. >> THE WHOLE THING, OR JUST

THE RESOLUTION NUMBER? >> HERE IT IS. FOUND IT. THANK

YOU. >> RESOLUTION NUMBER R-2024-059

AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> ADDED, AND IT'S AUTHORIZING THE IMMINENT DOMAIN WITH THE REAL PROPERTY, LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 480 142 FOR THE SHILOH PUMP STATION. IT JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE,

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COUNCILMEMBER CLARK?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THOMPSON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILCOTT?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR SNYDER?

>> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KOLAR?

>> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER THORNTON?

>> AYE. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THAT

[16. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS (Part 2 of 2)]

>> OKAY, I HAVE A FEW. ONE, I THOUGHT THAT I HAD REQUESTED AN ITEM THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN COME BACK ABOUT A PARADE ORDINANCE.

DO YOU HAVE THAT ON YOUR LIST?

>> I THOUGHT I HAD REQUESTED THAT TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY.

SO I HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING ON THAT, SO I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE ON, AND GET THAT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THAT.

LIKE, AN OUTLOOK ON THAT, AT LEAST, WHERE WE CAN GET THAT ON OUR AGENDA. THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT JAY RS IN RELATION TO THE EDC AT THE LAST MEETING. I LOOKED IT UP, AND WE HAVE A 380 WITH JAY RS. I WANT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 21ST TO, TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE PAID TO THE IRS, AND REQUESTED BACK, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TERNS IN THERE THAT IF THEY DID NOT STAY HERE LONG ENOUGH, THAT THEY HAD TO PAY EVERYTHING BACK THAT WE HAVE PAID THEM. SO WE NEED TO REQUEST THAT, THAT MONEY BACK. FROM THE PROPERTY TAX REBATES THAT THEY GOT. AND THEN, RELATED TO THAT, I WANT AN ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEM. I'LL SAY THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL, I WOULD LIKE AN ORDINANCE CREATED THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE, WILL ANNUALLY PRESENT BALL INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH STATUS ON EACH ONE, AND THAT THE AGREEMENTS WILL COVER EVERYTHING, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COMPLIANCE PERIOD, SO THAT, EVEN IF WE'VE PAID AN INCENTIVE, IF THEY HAD TO STAY HERE FOR 10 YEARS, WE WERE VIEWING FOR 10 YEARS UNTIL IT'S DONE. THAT WAY, HAVING AN ANNUAL REVIEW, WE WON'T HAVE THINGS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS AS EASILY. AND I WANT EVERY INCIDENT AGREEMENT, 380S, 312, EDC, SALES TAX REBATES, AND ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT LIKE THAT THAT'S AN INCENTIVE AGREEMENT THAT WE REVIEW IT ANNUALLY.

>> I THINK IT WILL BE REVIEWED IN JUNE.

>> WHENEVER IT HAPPENS, IT'S FINE. BUT I JUST THINK, IF IT'S REVIEWED AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, THEN YOU DON'T FORGET

THEM. >> SO WILL ACTIVATED IN THE

FIRST WEEK OF APRIL. >> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS?

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>> YEAH, I'VE GOT ONE. SO I'D LIKE SOMETHING, IF, IF POSSIBLE, ON THE 21ST MEETING, SO IN TWO WEEKS, DISCUSSING POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY-OWNED YMCA BUILDING . THE YMCA BOARD HAS BEEN DISCUSSING SOME NEEDS, SOME IMMEDIATE NEEDS, AND THEY LIKE TO COMMENT PRESENT TO COUNSEL ON KIND OF THEIR THOUGHTS AND WHAT THEIR IDEAS ARE, AND AT LEAST PRESENTED TO US I HAD OF OUR STRATEGIC

PLANNING MEETING. >> PUTTING IT ON THERE. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALL RIGHT, 16.3, FUTURE ADDITIONAL RESCHEDULED MEETINGS, LED BY HUTTO TO THE CODE SECTION 1.0 2.003 ADDITIONAL RESCHEDULED MEETINGS. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE NO OBJECTIONS? I'D LIKE TO RECALL ITEM 16.1 FOR A MINUTE.

ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, THERE IS THE AUSTIN, GREATER AUSTIN, NEPALI SOCIETY IS OPENING THEIR TEMPLE, WHICH IS RIGHT ON 138 ON THE EDGE OF TOWN. TOMORROW THERE'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FROM AUSTIN IN TOWN. YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING AT 1:00 TO SAY 5:00, STOP BY , IF YOU CAN, AND JUST SEE. THERE'S A, IT'S, THERE'S AN ENTIRE GROUP OF PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT ARE LIVING IN HUTTO THAT ARE, LIKE, STATIC, AND THEY FUNDED THIS THING OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET, SO IT'S KIND OF AN AMAZING DEAL, BUT THAT'LL BE TOMORROW. RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE? WE'LL ADJOURN AT 12 -- OR 12:17 A AND ON

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