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SIX O'CLOCK.[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
START THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2024.ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON.
COUNCIL CLARK, CLARK AND LAR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STRAIN.
[3.1. Receive a presentation regarding the Transportation and Drainage CIP program for FY 2024-28 as approved and amended in 2023 (Matt Rector) ]
RECEIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE TRANSPORTATION AND DRAINAGE CIP PROGRAM FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2024 TO 2028 AS APPROVED AND AMENDED IN 2023.UM, SO JUST LIKE IN JANUARY WHEN WE HAD THE TWO CIP WORKSHOPS, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I'M GONNA PRETTY MUCH FLY THROUGH IT AS QUICK AS I CAN BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF STUFF THAT YOU GUYS WANNA TALK ABOUT.
I'D RATHER THAN HEAR ME TALK, I FIGURED YOU GUYS WOULD WANNA TALK.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA START FLYING THROUGH THIS STUFF.
FEEL FREE TO STOP ME WHENEVER YOU, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED CLARIFY.
UH, SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FUTURE CIP STUFF, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO DO A RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE LAST YEAR, SINCE 2023.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE FINISHED FM 1660 NORTH OF US.
79 IS COMPLETE, CLOSED OUT, DONE FM 1660 NORTH OF LE IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK YOU'RE SEEING THE EFFECTS OUT THERE ALREADY AND ACTUALLY THEY'LL BE DOING SOME MORE BARRICADE REALIGNMENT TONIGHT WHILE WE'RE HERE.
UH, 1660 SOUTH OF 79 IS ON HOLD.
WE'RE HAVING A SECOND SIGNAL PER TDOT 1 99 REPAIRS DONE.
UH, THE URGENT REPAIRS OF 1 37 DONE THE CR 1 37 FM 1660 WHERE YOU'RE AT 90% DESIGN THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY US AT T CONTAIN LAKESIDE SIDEWALKS.
FIRST TWO PHASES DONE MEGASITE EAST WEST ROAD IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
THE CR 1 32 OVERPASS IS ABOUT 20%.
DESIGN EDGE SCHMIDT IMPROVEMENTS IS ABOUT 20%.
DESIGN INNOVATION AT LIMMER IS ABOUT 20%.
DESIGN EXCHANGE AT LIMMER IS A 30% DESIGN EXCHANGE IN BOULEVARD.
UH, IMPROVEMENTS IS AT ABOUT 10%.
CR 1 99 CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT 20%.
THE BARS ARE 50 AND LAKESIDE PHASE THREE IS ABOUT 30%.
SO WE ARE MOVING, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF DIRT MOVE, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN DESIGN AND WHEN IT ALL HITS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT.
UH, SO THE CURRENT CI THAT WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME SLIDE THAT WE HAD FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CONVERSATION.
AND I WE'RE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING IN ON STREETS AND DRAINAGE.
SO WHAT YOU APPROVED BACK IN SEPTEMBER WAS UH, 35 STREETS AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS FOR 264,612,749.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S SMALL BUT I PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO SEE THE THIGHS OF THE CIP AS APPROVED.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THERE FROM 24 THROUGH 28.
UH, I DID BLOW THEM UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS ARE THE ONES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, YOU'VE GOT, UH, 1660 NORTH ON THERE, 1660 SOUTH, 1 37, ALL THE ONES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THIS IS THE CONTINUE BLOW UP A BURDEN OF IT AND MORE CONTINUE BLOW UP THEN THIS IS AGAIN, AND IT WAS SMALL BUT I WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE THE SIZE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
UM, BUT HERE'S THE BLOW UP VERSION.
SO STATUS, I JUST WENT THROUGH THIS GENERALLY, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION I DIDN'T REALLY TOUCH ON LEGENDS OF HOWTO DRAINAGE DITCHES.
WE, BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH THE HOA, THERE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO BE FUTURE PHASES 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
BUT ONCE WE GET THE FIRST ROUND OF DESIGN, THEN WE'LL WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS AND LET YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, AS YOU, AS YOU SAW IN YOUR AGENDA, IT WAS AS ADOPTED AND AMENDED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER IN DECEMBER YOU VOTED TO AMEND THE CIP TO ADD THE PROJECTS FROM THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW ANNOUNCED.
SO, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK A VAST MAJORITY OF THESE PROJECTS, WHICH THIS IS THE SHEET STRAIGHT OUTTA YOUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AND WE ADDED THEM TO THE CIP.
AND SO YOU CAN TELL THE TECH GOT EVEN SMALLER BECAUSE YOU WENT FROM THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT YOU HAD BEFORE, WHICH WAS, I REMEMBER THAT FIRST SLIDE IS 35 PROJECTS.
YOU WENT AND WE ADDED ALL OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS AND NOW YOU'RE AT 80, AT 84 PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THE AMENDED CIP NOW HAS, SORRY, 85 STREETS AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS AND YOU WENT FROM ABOUT 200 AND
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SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS.I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER THAT I SAID TO OVER $480 MILLION FOR STREETS.
UM, ONE THING THAT I DO WANNA NOTE IS WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THIS DURING THE CIP BACK LAST SUMMER.
WELL OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT IN DECEMBER WHEN WE SAID ADD MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
BUT I KNOW FROM MY PRIOR TIME HERE THAT THE STREETS IN OLD TOWN HAVE BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING ON LIVE OAK WITH CHANGING IT, GETTING RID OF THE BAR DITCHES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I KNOW BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 2018 GOS IN 20 17, 20 18, THAT THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT TAKING SOME OF THAT MONEY AND POTENTIALLY TRYING TO FIX SOME OF THE OLD TOWN DRAINAGE ISSUES AND PUT SIDEWALKS AND YOU KNOW, MAKE THE STREETS A LITTLE NICER.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE THAT 85 THAT'S UP THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS NOTED.
I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT THOSE BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING OR, OR GOTTEN ANY CLEARER LIKE GO AHEAD AND ADD 'EM NOW OR WAIT OR WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO IT'S STILL A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
I STILL WANNA HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS AND DIRECTION, BUT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.
UM, SO THE NEXT THING WE DID WAS WE TOOK A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THIS STUFF, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE ALBERTA HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA WANNA HEAR FROM HER MORE THAN ME 'CAUSE THIS, SHE TALKED DOLLARS AND CENTS AND I JUST TALKED PIE IN THE SKY GETTING PROJECTS DONE.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE WORKED TOGETHER MULTIPLE TIMES TRYING TO GET READY FOR THIS AND WE GENERALLY CAME UP WITH A COLOR SCHEME.
DOESN'T SHOW UP SUPER GOOD UP THERE, UH, TO HELP YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE THINKING THAT WE CAN PAY FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF.
OBVIOUSLY THE POINT OF THIS WORKSHOP IS TO GET YOU GUYS TALKING AND THEN BRING THIS EVENTUALLY TO A REGULAR MEETING SO THAT YOU CAN GET A CLEAR DIRECTION ON, ON HOW YOU THINK YOU WANNA PROCEED.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE GOT UM, THE 2022 GEO BONDS THAT WERE ISSUED.
AND SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT 2220 $3 MILLION UP THERE.
PART OF THAT IS FUNDING STUFF THAT'S IN 24.
PART OF THAT IS FUNDING WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING IN 25.
THEN YOU HAVE THE 2023 GO BONDS AND UM, THAT'S THE, THE ACTUAL YELLOW LINE, UH, ABOUT 12.2 MILLION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FUNDS AND SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 4.4 MILLION THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FUNDS, UM, AT ABOUT 5.8 MILLION.
AND THEN THE UTILITY FUND TO HELP COVER THE UTILITY ASPECTS OF ANY OF THESE STREETS.
SO YOU GOT 4.6 MILLION AND THEN TO FINISH OUT.
SO THAT COVERS ALL THE PROJECTS IN 24.
THAT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO.
BUT THEN TO GET 25 FULLY COVERED WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PUT ON THE CIP, WE WOULD NEED TO DO A ISSUANCE OF 2024 CO BONDS AND USE THE REMAINDER OF THE 2018 GOSS, WHICH WOULD GIVE US ABOUT $26 MILLION.
THEN WE'RE COVERED ON 24 AND 25, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING IT 2024 A ISSUANCE FOR ADDITIONAL COS TO COVER FY 26 AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S 111 MILLION AND THEN SOME FUTURE BOND ISSUANCE TO COVER FY 27 TO 28 FOR 66.4 AND T 226.9 ROUGHLY.
UM, AND SO, UM, BEFORE WE GET, WELL LEMME PAUSE THERE 'CAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA WANNA TALK DOLLARS AND CENTS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS, UH, IF I COULD JUST POINT OUT ON THE, THE 24 COS AND THE REMAINDER OF THE 2018 OKAY ON THE 2018, YOU ALREADY AUTHORIZED THEM BUT WE HADN'T ISSUED THEM AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT, UM, ALMOST 9.5 MILLION, UM, COULD BE DONE THROUGH COS WHICH WOULD NOT, UM, INCREASE THE TAX RATE.
SO THAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT AN INCREASE THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED, SO THE LEFTOVER 2018 GO IS 9.5 OR THE REMAINDER IT NO, IT'S UM, WHAT'S REMAINDER IS 16.5 MILLION FROM 2018.
AND THEN THE REST THE NINE, ALMOST 9.5 WOULD BE FROM THE 24 WOULD BE THE NEW ISSUE.
16 16000000.5 HALF MILLION AND THEN THE NINE AND A HALF WOULD BE UM, A NEW ISSUE BUT WOULD NOT RAISE THE TAX RATE.
YOU'RE SAYING THOSE ARE COS THAT DON'T REQUIRE TO GO TO THE THE BALLOT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND UM, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO TRY TO DO THOSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS SO WE CAN GET THOSE PROJECTS FUNDED.
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SO THE REASON 26, 27 AND 28 ARE SO HIGH IS BECAUSE THE FULL VAST MOBILITY PLAN IS IN THERE.IS THAT CORRECT OR YEAH, BASICALLY.
AND REALISTICALLY WE'RE NOT BUILDING THOSE PROJECTS IN THAT TIME FOR ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CITY TO CORRECT.
SO, BUT THEY'RE ALL
AND THEN WHEN I BROUGHT IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN PROJECTS, I PUT THEM MOSTLY IN 26, 27 TO 28 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT DOING THEM RIGHT NOW.
AND UM, IT WAS JUST GET THEM IN HERE SO THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE CIP.
SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND SO THAT'S WHAT I DID DO, DO THEY HAVE TO BE IN THAT TIME PERIOD THOUGH? OR CAN WE SAY THEY'RE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OUT AND KIND OF KEEP THEM IN THAT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ON OUR IMMEDIATE FUNDING RADAR? 'CAUSE IT, IT KIND OF SKEWS THE LOOK HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE'VE GOT A DISASTER IN THOSE THREE YEARS AND WE REALLY DON'T BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY FURTHER IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'LL, I'LL LET DOTTIE SPEAK TO THE LEGALITIES OF ALL THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WAY THE STATE LAW WAS WRITTEN IS THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND AUTHORIZED.
THAT'S PART OF YOUR C AS YOU PART OF YOUR CIP.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THEM IN THE OUT YEARS.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THEM DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTED IN THOSE YEARS.
SO IF WE DECIDED, HEY, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADD 29 TO THE CIP LIST, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA PUSH ALL THOSE PROJECTS TO 29.
I THINK WE'RE OKAY TO DO THEM.
AND DO WE HAVE TO LIMIT IT TO FIVE YEARS OR CAN WE HAVE A CATEGORY THAT SAYS THESE ARE IN OUR CIP BUT THEY'RE GREATER THAN FIVE YEARS OUT.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE KNOW WE'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY PLANNING THOSE PROJECTS.
SO THE THING THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY WAS YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING.
SO IN ORDER TO UM, MEET THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS WHEN SOMEBODY TURNS IN A PLAT, WE WANT THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE ABILITY MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED AS A CIP AND THE FUNDING.
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS SOMETHING WE THINK ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN FOR 10 YEARS.
A DEVELOPER WALKS IN TOMORROW WITH SOME PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT PROJECT MOVES UP.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR CAN WE HAVE A I DON'T THINK WE CAN GO BEYOND.
'CAUSE I, I WOULD RATHER SEE US TAKE THE THINGS WE DON'T THINK AFFECT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, HAVE THEM IN THE PLAN, HAVE THEM IN KIND OF THAT, THAT SPECIAL CATEGORY THAT SAYS YEAH WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY FUNDING THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE KNOW FINANCIALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT QUITE YET.
JUST SO THAT WE CAN FINANCIALLY PLAN BETTER.
I DON'T THINK LEGALLY THEN YOU CAN BASE THAT BASED ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
YOU CAN, HE'S ASKING THE ATTORNEY FOR THE LEGAL, UH, I'M ASKING, IT NEEDS TO BE IN A PLAN BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE CITY IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS LIKE IN YEAR SIX, THE STATUTE I I THINK JUST THE UM, CIP PROJECT AND IDENTIFY THE FUNDING.
SO IF WE SAID, OKAY ALL THESE PROJECTS GO TO YEAR SIX AND WE STILL LIST THE TOTALS, WE'RE GOOD AND WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET PLANNING ON A FIVE YEAR WINDOW AND WE PULL THOSE PROJECTS IN OR OUT AS THEY AS THEY NEED TO BE.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GETTING THE MONEY CONFUSED, THE PLAN CONFUSED.
WE'VE GOT IT A LITTLE MORE COMPARTMENTALIZED THE WAY IT'S MORE REALISTICALLY GONNA HAPPEN.
SOUNDS, I MEAN BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ IN THE STATE OF ALL THAT SOUNDS, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE CIP EVERY YEAR.
SO YOU CAN EITHER MOVE UP OR MOVE OUT PROJECT.
I THINK THAT WE CAN LIKE EXPAND TO LIKE A 10 YEAR PLAN, RIGHT? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY AT FIVE YEARS 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY ONLY YEAR TWO OF ACTUALLY HAVING A REAL OFFICIAL CIP.
RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT MAYBE WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING WE CAN LIKE THEN EXPAND IT TO 10 YEARS OR EIGHT YEARS, SAY EIGHT YEARS IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE GETTING TO THAT.
SO JUST SO THAT MATT KIND OF HAS A GOOD TO AND IT JUST KIND OF GENERAL START BALANCING THINGS OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU GUYS OFF, BUT I WANNA GET THROUGH THE REST OF THIS INFORMATION SO THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE GOT HERE SO THAT YOU CAN THEN HAVE YOUR, YOUR MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION.
SO I WANNA GET TO MY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE AS YOU GUYS KNOW, FUNDING IS LIMITED.
SO WE NEED A WAY TO COME UP WITH A, A PATH FOR HOW WE PRIORITIZE THINGS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND I I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER 'CAUSE WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE RECOMMEND DOING THIS PRIORITIZATION.
AND SO I SAID WELL IF THIS WAS ANY OTHER CITY BESIDES HU I WOULD SAY YOU START WITH THE STREETS THAT ARE ALREADY CLASSIFIED AS TERRIBLE AS RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN, AND THEN YOU RANK THOSE BY THEIR CATEGORY.
SO OBVIOUSLY AN ARTERIAL THAT NEEDS RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE RANKED HIGHER THAN A LOCAL ROAD THAT NEEDS RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE ALL OF YOUR TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH IN ARTERIAL AND
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YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON A LOCAL ROAD.AND I SAID, UM, BUT IN HU 99% OF OUR ROADS ARE ALMOST BRAND NEW.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE TERRIBLE ROADS YET.
UM, GIVE US 20 OR 30 YEARS WHEN ROADS START FALLING APART.
AND THEN IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AND SO WHAT I SAID IS LET'S LOOK AT, AND I'LL, I'LL FLASH IT UP HERE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
I SAID LET'S LOOK AT OUR PCI SCORES.
SO THIS WAS THE PCI REPORT THAT THEY DID FOR US LAST YEAR.
AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE ON HERE AND I APOLOGIZE.
UM, BUT THE ONES THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN LIKE THE DARK RED, THIS REALLY DARK RED, WHICH IS COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AND THEN THE, THE LIGHTER RED OVER HERE, WHICH IS BRUNCH STREET, THOSE ARE THE ONES, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THEIR REPORT, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED TO REBUILD THOSE RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THE STREETS HAVE FAILED OR, OR THEY'RE VERY, VERY, VERY POOR AND THEY'RE ABOUT TO FAIL.
BUT ONE OR TWO, THOSE, THOSE ARE THE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS.
VERY POOR IS IS THE RED AND SERIOUS IS UM, BASICALLY ON THE VERGE OF BEING VERY POOR, WHICH IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A FAILED ROUTE.
AND SO, UM, WE COULD START THERE.
UM, THE CAVEAT BEING COUNTY ROAD 1 32, THAT SECTION THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING WITH THE OVERPASS.
SO WE, WE COULD KIND OF DOUBLE DIP ON THAT.
SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, UM, ONE WE, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE LIKE DEFINED AREAS THAT YOU REPRESENT.
UM, I'M USED TO PLACES WHERE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A CERTAIN CONSTITUENCY.
UM, AND SO, BUT I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT DIVIDING THE CITY INTO QUADRANTS OR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE AS WE GROW, IF WE'RE FOCUSING IN ON THOSE STREETS THAT ARE BAD, THEN THE OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY ARE GONNA GET ALL THE MONEY TYPICALLY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY ARE GONNA HAVE THE BAD ROADS, THE NEWER PARTS OF THE CITY AREN'T GONNA HAVE THE BAD ROADS.
SO IF YOU'RE PRIORITIZING ROADS THAT HAVE FAILED, YOU'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE THE OLD PARTS OF THE CITY.
AND SO POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE CLAIMING THAT WE'RE TREATING THEIR PART OF THE CITY UNFAIRLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF THE FUNDS FOR ROBES.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I PUT THAT RECOMMENDATION OUT THERE.
THEN I SAY YOU CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, OF ALL THE STREET PROJECTS, NOT MAINTENANCE.
SO RICK AND HIS TEAM, THEY'RE GONNA COME THROUGH, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE CRACK SEALS, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE MICRO SEALS, THE FOG SEALS, THE SLURRY SEALS.
THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL OF THAT MAINTENANCE STUFF THAT KEEPS THE ROAD ALIVE FOR LONGER, RIGHT? IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, LIKE YOUR CAR, YOU KEEP CHANGING THE OIL, YOU KEEP ING HIGHER, YOU KEEP CHANGING FLUIDS OUT 'CAUSE THAT KEEPS YOUR CAR GOING A LONGER LIFE.
IF YOU WOULD NEGLECT THAT STUFF, THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR CAR, RIGHT? SO THE ROADS ARE SIMILAR.
YOU DO THE CRACK SEALS AND THE SLURRY SEALS AND THE FOG SEALS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
'CAUSE THAT PULLED LONGS THE LIFE OF THE ROAD UNTIL YOU EITHER GET TO THE ROADS THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT TO AND THEY FAILED, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO REBUILD THEM.
OR THE ROAD HAS JUST GOTTEN SO OLD THAT YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT ANYWAY.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT YOU JUST HAVE TO REPLACE A CAR, RIGHT? SO AT SOME POINT YOU JUST HAVE TO REPLACE A ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
SO THEN YOU, YOU RANK THEM BY THE REBUILDS AND THEN YOU RANK THEM BY THE CATEGORY ARTERIAL COLLECTOR LOCAL.
AND THEN WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF THOSE STREETS, IF YOU STILL GOT MONEY LEFT OVER, THEN YOU START LOOKING AT YOUR MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND AGAIN, YOU RANK THEM BY THE MOST IMPORTANT STREETS.
SO YOU WOULD AGAIN GO TO YOUR ARTERIALS, YOUR COLLECTORS AND YOUR LOCALS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK I HAVE, SO THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT FOR FULL RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON THE PCI STUDY THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
WOODLANDS, WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BROOKLYNS.
I DON'T, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE DO ANYTHING THERE UNTIL WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE, THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE METCALF, CONAN AND FRONT STREET AND THEN CR 1 32, WHICH I'VE ALREADY SAID ANOTHER PROJECT SO I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHAT'S THAT MEAN SEGMENT COST? SO, OKAY, SO WHEN THEY DID THE PCI STUDY, AND I'M GOING POINT HERE 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I CAN POINT AT THAT ONE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SAID THIS IS THE LENGTH OF THE SEGMENT OF ROAD.
AND SO IF YOU GO INTO THEIR SYSTEM, THIS SEGMENT OF FRONT STREET, UH, WHICH WAS 349 FEET LONG, IT'S 26 FEET WIDE.
SO THAT'S A TOTAL SQUARE YARD OF 1009 SQUARE YARDS IN THEIR SYSTEM.
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ROAD IS $80 A SQUARE YARD.AND SO THAT GETS YOU TO THIS $80,000 TO REBUILD THAT 349 FEET OF ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT THE SEGMENT COST COMES OUT.
SO YOU CAN REBUILD BROOKLYN'S FOR $130,000, 140 BASED ON THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE PCI THING.
SO THAT'S BASED ON THEIR NUMBERS.
SO WHAT'S THE REAL NUMBER? UM, I WOULD SAY IF BROOKLYN'S FOR 140 GRAND, WE CAN CORRECT THAT ISSUE TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MY GUESS IS IT'D COST YOU 140 GRAND JUST 'CAUSE SOMEONE TO MOBILIZE OUT THERE.
IS THIS LIKE A FRACTION OR WHAT'S THE REAL NUMBER? BECAUSE LIKE ALL OF FRONT STREET, YOU CAN GET ALL THE FRONT STREET DONE FOR 3, 6, 7 FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT SEEMS AWFULLY CHEAP TO BE ABLE TO RIP IT UP, REDO THE WHOLE THING AND REBUILD ALL THE FRONT STREET FOR A MILLION.
YEAH, I I I WOULD HAVE TO RUN SOME, SOME NUMBERS THAT I WOULD GET WITH RICK TO GET, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT NUMBERS THAT WE CAN USE FROM, FROM OTHER, INCREASE IT BY 20% AND MAYBE NUMBER THREE, THAT'S WHAT, 300 GRAND, A HUNDRED PUT SOME ASPHALT ON 1 37 JUST FOR OVERLAP.
AND HOW MANY FEET DID YOU GUYS DO AT THAT WAS ABOUT 2000, 2000 FEET.
SO FRONT STREET YOU CAN REBUILD.
THIS IS SAYING YOU CAN REBUILD 1800 FEET OF FRONT STREET FOR 377,000 OR YOU CAN PUT A TOP LAYER ON A 2000 FEET FOR THE SAME.
I'M JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE THAT 1.8 IS IN YOUR NUMBERS AND IF THAT 1.8 IS REALLY LIKE 8 MILLION, THIS, THIS 1.8 IS NOT IN MY NUMBERS.
THIS WAS JUST ME SHOWING YOU THE RESULTS THAT CAME OUTTA THE, WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
NO, SO I I I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE HAD THIS FINALIZED.
MAYBE WE DID WHEN WE DID THE UM, CIP CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BUT I, I DIDN'T USE THEIR NUMBERS.
I JUST PULLED THIS UP THIS WEEK AFTER CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT HOW TO RECOMMEND YOU GUYS TO START LOOKING AT HOW WE PRIORITIZE ROADS IN THE CITY.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS UM, FROM THEIR NUMBERS, THE ESTIMATED COSTS ON HOW MANY DIFFERENT SEGMENTS WE HAVE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
RICK AND I WOULD NEED TO RERUN ALL THESE NUMBERS.
BUT, UM, THE POINT WAS, UH, TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF WAYS TO START LOOKING AT HOW YOU PRIORITIZE THINGS.
AND THEN IN YOUR, UM, MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH I'VE GOT THAT ONE HERE TOO, I THOUGHT THE NUMBERS WERE BASED ON THE DOT YARDS.
AND IF YOU CHANGE THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THE NUMBERS MAKE MORE SENSE.
WELL THAT TABLE CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THE YEAH.
AND, AND THE MAIN THING IS, IS THAT IT DOESN'T, IT, IT IS A VALID POINT IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE NEED TO BUDGET TODAY.
BUT IT'S NOT A VALID POINT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE ALL, ALL YOU DO IS CHANGE THE MULTIPLIER, THE COST PER YARD AND THEN YOU GET WHATEVER THE REAL NUMBER IS TODAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE SCALE.
THE, THE SCALE THE RATIO BETWEEN THEM STAYS THE SAME.
SO ON THE LOG SCALE IT'S THE SAME.
'CAUSE GO BACK TO FRONT STREET MONTHS, TO ME, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD, IF I WAS PRIORITIZING THINGS, I WOULD PUT A COUPLE INCHES OF ASSAL ON FRONT STREET AND CROSS MY FINGERS AND HOPE IT MAKES IT FIVE MORE YEARS BECAUSE WHILE IT'S IN REPAIR AND IT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THAT THOUSANDS OF CARS A DAY COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER ONES.
BUT THEN IF I LOOK AT THIS AND YOU GO, WELL FOR A MILLION BUCKS YOU CAN REBUILD THE WHOLE ROAD.
AND THEN I'M LIKE, WELL THEN WHY WOULD I PUT THAT OFF? MM-HMM
BUT IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY IT'S A $5 MILLION PROJECT, WELL THEN I'M, IN MY MIND I'D RATHER SPEND THAT 5 MILLION AT THE INTERSECTION THAT HAS 40,000 CARS A DAY GOING THROUGH IT.
THAT COULD BE WIDENED IF I HAD TO PICK A TWO.
SO TO ME IT MAKES SOMEWHAT, UM, I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT ON THIS CHART, IF YOU CHANGE 80 TO A HUNDRED, UH, THE RATIOS ARE STILL THE SAME BETWEEN THOSE PROJECTS WHEN YOU START COMPARING OUTSIDE THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT MATTERS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING AT UNTIL YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BUDGET.
YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, FRONT STREET IS HOWEVER MANY, YOU KNOW, THOUSAND SQUARE YARDS.
AND THEN NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT, WELL THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT IS WHAT THE NEW MULTIPLIER IS FOR THE UNIT RIGHTS.
BUT THEN THAT BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE WHEN THEY GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION, PART OF IT WAS YOU SPEND X AMOUNT OF MONEY ON A ROAD THAT'S MAYBE YELLOW TO PREVENT IT FROM GOING TO RED BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH MORE IT WOULD COST TO REBUILD.
RIGHT? BUT IF THESE ASSUMPTIONS ARE COMPLETELY AS WRONG, THEN WHETHER YOU DO YELLOW TO RED OR JUST DO RED NOW COMPLETELY CHANGES
IT'S JUST THAT IT WAS $80 WHEN THEY DID THIS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR A YEAR AGO.
SO UNIT PRICES ARE PROBABLY NOT $80
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RIGHT NOW, ALTHOUGH WHAT WE JUST EXPERIENCED ISN'T TOO TERRIBLY FAR OFF FROM THE $80.SO IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM WRONG.
IT'S JUST WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON THE $80 UNIT RATE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S 80, 82, 83, 77 BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, ALL THE RATIOS BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT ROADS STILL REMAIN THE SAME.
IT'S JUST WHAT THEN IS A MATTER IS WHAT, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO BUDGET.
IT WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN THEIR PRESENTATION THEY HAD A FULL REBUILD RATE AT X AND WHEN YOU WENT TO THE NEXT COLOR UP ROW IT HAD A DIFFERENT AMOUNT SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW YEAH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING IN THEIR CHARTS.
YOU WOULDN'T BE PAYING BEAUTY DOLLARS A SQUARE YARD FOR CRACK SALE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT CRACK SELLING COSTS.
SO GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I GUESS I'M DONE.
WHAT AM I MISSING? WELL, IT'S THE RELATIVE DIFFERENCE IN COST, RIGHT? AND THE RELATIVE DIFFERENCE IS WRONG.
AND THAT CHANGES WHICH ROADS YOU GO.
IF CR SALE WAS 40 BUCKS, THIS IS ALL REBUILD.
IF PRAX SALE WAS 40 BUCKS, WHAT THEY TOLD US AS I REMEMBERED WAS DON'T NECESS, YOU MAY NOT NECESSARILY WANNA GO REBUILD THE WORST ROAD BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, THE $40 COST ON THE CRACK SEAL TURNS INTO $75 AND NOW YOU SCREWED YOURSELF.
SO MAYBE HIT SOME OF THE ROADS IN THE MIDDLE OR THE BETTER ROAD ROAD.
WE READ ALL THAT AND I'M ONBOARD WITH THAT.
BUT WE'RE, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE LITTLE SNAPSHOT THAT'S LIKE IN A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAN EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING, WELL THE UNIT COSTS ARE WRONG.
BUT IF, IF FRONT STREET REBUILDING IS IN OUR CIP LIST, WHICH I IMAGINE IT IS, RIGHT? ACTUALLY THE ONLY FRONT STREET LIST THAT'S IN OUR LIST CAME FROM THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS THE WIDENING OF FRONT STREET, NOT ISD.
WE COULD PROBABLY GET SOME PARTICIPATION.
SO I THINK THEN AS LONG AS WHENEVER WE GO TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS, EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY APPLES TO APPLES.
BUT THEN WHAT I CALLED ON, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY SAID YOU MILLION FIVE A YEAR TO NOT HAVE A COMPLETE DETERIORATION OF YOUR ROAD SYSTEM.
BUT IF THAT 1.5 WAS THE WRONG MULTIPLIER AND REALLY IT'S LIKE 5.5, THEN WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM.
BECAUSE EVEN A YEAR AGO, I WOULD ARGUE YOU COULDN'T FOUR MONTHS, $3 MILLION.
WELL I I WOULD SAY WE WERE KNOCKING ROADS OUT FOR THAT A YEAR AGO.
YOU GUYS TOLD US 8 MILLION TO DO LIMBER IN 1660.
SO WE MAY HAVE MORE ROAD MAINTENANCE ISSUES RIGHT.
THAN WHAT WE THINK INSTEAD BEING AT 1.8 WE NEED TO BE AT 3.5.
YEAH, WE'RE ARGUING 1.5 MILLION A YEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ISSUES.
YOU GUYS MAY COME BACK AND TELL US GUYS IT'S LIKE 4 MILLION OR 4 MILLION AND THEN WE'RE LIKE HOLY COW.
NOW LOOK, WELL I I WOULD SAY FOR THIS YEAR IT'S 1.5, BUT NEXT YEAR YOU GO AND YOU UPDATE ALL OF THE UNIT PRICES, WHATEVER THE MARKET IS AND THEN YOU JUST SIMPLY DO THE MATH AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT THE, THE NEW, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE DOLLARS NEED TO BE FOR THAT YEAR.
SO, UH, I DO HAVE, I CAN TELL YOU AND I CAN SEND IT OUT WHEN WE'RE DONE HERE.
I HAVE A SPREADSHEET WHERE I PULLED ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TREATMENTS OUT AND IT'S GOT ALL OF THEIR UNIT COSTS IN THERE.
AND I WANNA SAY THAT IT WAS LIKE $3 FOR A CRACK SEAL VERSUS WITH $1.
SO $1 FOR A CRACK SEAL VERSUS THE $80 FOR REBUILD.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THAT THE NUMBERS MIGHT ALL BE WRONG, BUT I THINK WHAT THE TAKEAWAY IS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT IS THAT WHEN YOU ADJUST ALL THOSE NUMBERS FOR INFLATION AND WHATEVER ELSE, THE ULTIMATE RATIO I GUESS IS STILL GONNA BE THE SAME.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN PROLONG THE ULTIMATE MESSAGE THAT ANYBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS ROAD MAINTENANCE IS GONNA TELL YOU IS IF YOU CAN SPEND DOLLARS, IF YOU CAN SPEND PENNIES NOW TO SAVE DOLLARS LATER, THEN YOU'RE BETTER OFF.
BECAUSE WHAT A LOT OF CITIES DO IS THEY WON'T DO MAINTENANCE, WON'T DO MAINTENANCE, WON'T DO MAINTENANCE, AND THEN THE ROADS FAIL AND THEY SPEND DOLLARS CHASING AFTER THE FAIL ROADS WHERE THEY COULD BE SPENDING PENNIES ON THE ROADS THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IN GOOD CONDITION ONLY.
YOU TOLD US THAT 15 YEARS AGO,
UM, OKAY, SO WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU REAL QUICK IS THIS IS STRAIGHT OUTTA THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AGAIN.
AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR CODING RED IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL, YELLOW IS A MINOR ARTERIAL.
UM, BLUE IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, GREEN IS A MINOR COLLECTOR AND THEN ALL THE LOCAL ROADS ARE GRAY.
AND SO THE REASON I'M PUTTING THIS UP HERE IS BECAUSE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RED ROADS, WHICH TIP, BOTH OF THEM ARE NOT OURS ANYWAY.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE CHANDLER ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE COUNTY, YOU HAVE ONE 30, WHICH IS STATE 79, WHICH IS STATE CHRIS COUNTY, WHICH IS STATE.
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IF, IF YOU WANTED TO FOCUS ON EXPANDING THE ROADS THAT ARE IN THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, THAT IS WHERE I THINK YOU GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK BECAUSE AS HAS BEEN SAID MULTIPLE TIMES PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND HOW TO ALLOT.AND I, MY ASSUMPTION IS WHEN THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND HUDDLE, THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.
AND SO IF WE FOCUSED ON LIMMER LOOP YEAH THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT LIMMER AND ITCH SCHMID TOO.
I THINK THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERY ROAD.
WELL I MEAN SOUTH SOUTH DOES THAT LASER GET BROADER? YOU KNOW, BROADER
SO THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR US TO WIDEN LIMMER LOOP.
SO PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT LIMBER LOOP BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON IT.
WIDENING IT IS IN LINE WITH THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADD THAT TO THE CIP.
SAME THING FOR CARL STERN MOBILITY MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR CARL STERN TO BE WHITE.
IF YOU DID THAT, THEN THEORETICALLY THAT TAKES PRESSURE OFF OF EVERYBODY SITTING IN LINE AS ON 70
THAT WOULD ALSO THEN PUT MORE TRAFFIC ONTO THOSE ROADS.
BUT AT SOME POINT WE REACH A MAXIMUM CAPACITY ANYWAY.
SO WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST START THERE? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE, THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR YOU GUYS TO START TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU WANNA START, HOW YOU WANNA PRIORIT IT'S PROBABLY DONE FOR US.
WELL I THINK HERE'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING JAMES.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIRST, I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN STOMACH.
'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU SPOKE TO A 10 YEAR CIP THAT'S $130 MILLION A YEAR AND WE OWE LIKE 300 SOMETHING MILLION AS A CITY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE TAXES, FEES, WHATEVER.
BUT HOW MUCH CAN WE PHYSICALLY STOMACH? AND THEN DO YOU ALWAYS NEED TO DO A $8 MILLION DEAL WHEN LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LI AND EDGE SCHMIDT AND SO LI AND EDGE SCHMIDT, NOT THAT I'M A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT OR ANYTHING, BUT LIVING RIGHT BY THERE.
THE BIGGEST REASON I WOULD ARGUE IT BACKS UP IS BECAUSE IF ONE PERSON WANTS TO GO STRAIGHT, THEN 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA MAKE A RIGHT CAN'T.
SO INSTEAD OF WHINING THE WHOLE ROAD AND DOING ALL THAT, IF YOU ADD IN A RIGHT TURN LANE AND YOU HAVE OFFSETTING DRIVES TO UH, ONE 19 TO CROSS, THEN THAT MAY BE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THAT GETS YOU THAT BUY FROM TIME SO THAT YOU CAN THEN GO HIT ONE OF THE OTHER REALLY BIG ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY WIDEN.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT BACKS UP TO UH, LOWE'S, BUT IT'S TWO HOURS IN A DAY, IT'S BACKING UP.
AND SO DO YOU SPEND 10 MILLION THERE? SAME WITH OLD TOWN.
YOU FIX LIVE OAK BECAUSE WE SAID WE'D DO IT, IT'S THROUGH THE MIDDLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND REBUILD A STREET THAT HAS 800 CARS A DAY ON IT AND YOU'RE GIVING UP A STREET THAT HAS 50,000 CARS A DAY ON IT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, BUT JAMES AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLY EVERY WEEK.
I'M LIKE, THERE'S, WE, WE JUST GOTTA MAKE DECISIONS, THROW IT OUT ON TENURE AND TELL PEOPLE LIKE YOUR ROAD WILL BE FIXED IN SIX YEARS AND DO ANYTHING WE CAN.
BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE TAKE THE STANCE OF EVERYTHING IS A REBUILD, EVERYTHING IS A WIDEN AND WE'RE GONNA BE BROKEN LIKE THREE YEARS AND NOT NOT BE ABLE TO STOMACH ANY MORE INCREASES.
SO SOMEHOW WE GOTTA, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THE JOB IS.
I MEAN THE PLAN SHOWS US EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE JOB IS TO PRIORITIZE IT WITH AS MUCH AS WE CAN PAY FOR HERE AS WE GO.
WELL WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE IT.
A LOT OF IT BASED ON DATA, RIGHT? NOT BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IS THE RIGHT ROAD TO DO.
WELL WE KNOW THAT CARL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ALSO GETTING CLOSE TO A FAILURE.
SO THAT ONE WOULD PROBABLY, OKAY, BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL ROADS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERALL, RIGHT? WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE BASED ON NO, THIS IS NOT DATA, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
BUT THIS IS NOT, THIS ISN'T WHAT, OKAY SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A STUDY THAT DID THE BACK ROADS.
THIS IS NOT THE BACK ROAD STUDY.
RED IS STATE, YELLOW IS NO, GO BACK TO THAT OTHER MAP.
THAT'S THE QUALITY OF THE ROADS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE YOU, HAS THEIR TRAFFIC AND THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE EXPANSION TRAFFIC WITH THAT'S THE EXISTING ROAD.
IT'S NOT THE NEW ROADS, THE EXPANSIONS THAT WE NEED TO BUILD FRONT STREET LOOK T-SHIRT I HAVE THAT SAYS IT'S COMPLICATED.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT ALL IN ONE MAP? MATT, BRING IT TO BE IN ONE MAP.
BUT IF WE LINE EVERYTHING UP AND WE PULLED EVERYBODY IS THAT IT WAS SAY $3 MILLION.
IS THAT WHERE YOU WANNA SPEND 3 MILLION? OR IF MATT SAYS, LOOK, IF YOU REPAVE IT, WE CAN GET THREE TO FIVE YEARS OUT OF IT.
THE RUTS ARE GONE, YOU THROWING THE MONEY OUT THERE BUT YOU MAYBE SPEND TWO OR 300 GRAND AND NOW YOU SAVE 2.7 MILLION TO GO PUT INTO A ROAD.
'CAUSE FRONT STREET CARRIES SOME TRAFFIC BUT NOT THAT MUCH.
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IT'S NOT.RIGHT? SO DO WE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING JAMES.
DO WE WANNA SPEND AS A COUNCIL THREE SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS ON A ROAD NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE USING? OR WE WOULD BE RATHER SAY, GUYS, WE'VE REPAVED IT HOPEFULLY LAST FIVE YEARS WE'RE GONNA GO DO CARL STERN AND, AND EMORY FARMS IS ANOTHER ONE.
THEY WANT LIKE TWO STOP SIGNS AND THEY SAID THAT'S GOOD AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
DON'T SPEND 2 MILLION ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
GIVE THEM THE STOP SIGN FOR TWO STOP SIGNS, MOVE THE 2 MILLION OVER TO CARL STERN AND THEN A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, THAT DIDN'T WORK.
WELL STOP SIGNS COST 500 BUCKS.
WELL THAT, THAT'S COMMON SENSE.
THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THOUGH.
WE'VE BEEN JUST ARBITRARILY SAYING WE GOTTA REBUILD THIS ROAD.
SO, SO PART OF THIS, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
ONE, WE DON'T EXPECT Y'ALL TO MAKE ALL DECISIONS THAT THIS IS JUST LIKE THE WATER WASTEWATER WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO GIVE YOU THE, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ACCESS TO.
IN A FORMAT THAT YOU CAN DIGEST.
BECAUSE JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOWS YOU THE CONDITION OF THE CURRENT ROADS AND SOME OF THOSE ROADS DON'T NEED REBUILD.
THE RED ONES PRETTY MUCH DO, BUT NOT ALL THE REST OF THEM NEED REBUILD AND REBUILD IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE WANT TO BE ON THE CIP WE DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE ABOUT THE CRACK SEAL AND THE SLURRIES AND ALL THE MAINTENANCE STUFF.
THAT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE COLUMN.
THERE'S BASICALLY CIP PROJECTS AND THEN THERE'S MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
WELL WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PRIORITIZED BY COUNCIL THAT EXISTS GOING FORWARD.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, I CAN TELL I KEPT HYPING THAT WE HAD TO SPEND 1.5 MILLION.
WE'VE NEVER SPENT MORE THAN 500,000 EVER MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE EVER UNTIL THIS YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, IT CAN'T THAT WE CAN NEVER GO BACK TO THAT AS A CITY.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WHERE IT'S ALWAYS IN THE BUDGET FROM THE MANAGER MINIMUM $2 MILLION FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING WHAT ROAD, IF WE'RE EXPANDING TRAFFIC STUDY AND PRIORITIZE WITHIN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE EXPANDING THE LEVEL OF WHAT ROAD MAINTENANCE WILL BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SAY MILL AND OVERLAY, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE IS FROM THE CITY MANAGER ALWAYS IN YOUR BUDGET IS A GOOD AMOUNT.
THAT IS THAT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
THAT WAY INDEPENDENT OF COUNCILS THERE SAYING, HEY, THIS IS THE BUDGET I'M BRINGING TO YOU TO DO THIS, WHICH I KNOW IS NEEDED INDEPENDENT OF POLITICAL THINGS.
WE ALWAYS NEED TO BE DOING THIS.
YOU KNOW, AND IF IT IS 3 MILLION BECAUSE OF COST OR IT'S FOUR, THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET TO START WITH FOR THE MAINTENANCE HE DID.
NO, I ONLY DID 500 BECAUSE I WAS WELL I THOUGHT YOU DID A HALF NO I NEW REVENUE AND PUT IN, I PUT IN, I DID UP IT, I THINK I UPPED IT TO 500 OR SOMETHING.
NO, I THINK YOU GOT TO SEVEN 50.
I THINK SEVEN 50 IS YOUR BEST BECAUSE I WANTED TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT I ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
I LOST, I DIDN'T GO FOR THE FEE, BUT I WENT FOR INCREASING THE ALL.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT HE WAS SHOWING YOU, THE NEXT UH, DOCUMENT THAT IS TELLING YOU WHERE THE ROADS NEED TO GO BASED OFF OF THE MOBILITY PLAN AND THEY DID DO MODELING.
THEY LOOKED AT TRAFFIC COUNTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND MATT IS SAYING OR RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S REALLY THE YELLOW ROADS ON HERE.
MM-HMM
SO AT THAT POINT, AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, DATA SCHOOL OR WHATEVER THAT BECOMES, WHENEVER IT FLIPS TO THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BASICALLY BEING REBUILT BY THE COUNTY.
SO THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TOO TERRIBLY IMPORTANT.
UM, CARL STERN, LIMMER LOOP, UH, WHATEVER SOME OF THOSE OTHER ONES ARE, I CAN'T READ FROM THIS FAR AWAY, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, UH, ED SCHMIDT I SEE AS YELLOW.
THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE MATT IS SAYING THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE WHENEVER YOU COMBINE THAT WITH THE REBUILDS THAT YOU USE THIS DATA TO START TO POPULATE THE LIST THAT, THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE BUILT INTO THE CIP.
IT'LL MAKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
WHICH ONE? THE, THE ONES CONNECTING THOSE ROADS WILL MAKE THE, THE LARGEST IMPACT.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE AND AND CONGESTION AND FRUSTRATION.
SO WE CAN AT LEAST GET SOME OF THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THEN THE THE THIRD POINT IS, UH, WHAT, WHAT MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, OKAY, WELL WHAT, WHAT CAN WE STOMACH OR AFFORD? AND MAYBE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY REBUILDING ALL OF EDGE SCHMIDT, MAYBE IT'S JUST ADDING THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE THERE.
SO, SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE PRIORITIZED IT SCHMIDT AND WE MAY SAY, HEY, WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO BUILD IS A, I DON'T KNOW, SIX LANE SEGMENT THROUGH HERE, BUT FOR NOW AND THAT'S A $15 MILLION COST DEAL.
BUT YOU COULD GET A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT IF YOU JUST GO SPEND 1.2 MILLION, MOVE THE SIGNAL OVER OR WHATEVER AND ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE.
UM, THAT'S THE SORT OF STUFF THAT STAFF CAN COME BACK
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WITH AFTER Y'ALL HAVE SAID THESE ARE THE SEGMENTS THAT WE'RE MOST INTERESTED IN SEEING GET PRIORITIZED.AND UH, AND THAT I ALSO WANT US TO DO AN ARBITRARY THING LIKE YELLOW ROADS.
'CAUSE IF YOU WIDEN LIMBER FROM ONE 30 EAST, YOU DON'T REALLY, YOU YOU DON'T GAIN MUCH ON THAT.
BUT THE, THE HICCUP IS AT THE ONE 19 AND LIMBER AND THEN AT THE 1616 LIMBER.
AND TO ME THAT'S ONLY I I SET 'EM ALL BACK, BACK.
I THINK ALSO GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT TO DO TOO MANY PROJECTS AT ONCE.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU DO LIMBER IN 1660, LET IT GET BUILT, OPEN UP AND SEE IT CHANGES ALL THE FLOW.
PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THEIR ROUTES AND EVERYTHING.
WHERE NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, SO YOU COULD THEORETICALLY 1660 AND 79, 16 60 SOUTH AND 79 AND JIM CAGE.
BUT I WOULD SAY YOU'D WANNA HOLD OFF ON JIM CAGE TILL YOU DO THE OTHER ONE.
SEE WHAT IT DOES TO THE TRAFFIC FLOWS.
GO BACK, REASSESS EVERYTHING AND THEN GO, YEAH, WE STILL NEED TO DO JIM CAGE OR JIM CAGE JUST GOT A HOLD LOT BETTER 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO JIM CAGE BECAUSE 1660 WAS SO TERRIBLE.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, THE OTHER BIG PERMIT, IF YOU SEE THE DOTTED GREEN LINE THAT'S GOING FROM CARL STERN, WHICH WILL BE WHERE THE, THE 1 99 BRIDGE WILL BE OVER, IT'S STILL GOING DOTTED LINE ALL THE WAY UP TO LIMMER AND CONTINUE TO GO DOTTED LINE UP TOWARDS CHANDLER.
IF WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE COST BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S IN UNDEVELOPED LAND AND BUILT THAT ROAD, WHICH YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING TRAFFIC AND WE GOT THE BRIDGE WHEN WE HAD THE, THE PROLOGIS STEEL COMING IN THERE ON THE BLUE ELECTRIC OVER, YOU MIGHT FIX A LOT OF YOUR PROBLEMS BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU THEN EXPANDED CARL STERN AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS ROAD THAT GOES NORTH SOUTH WITH A BRIDGE NOT HITTING A RAILROAD TRACK GOING ALONG THE ENTIRE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY OF HU A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD JUST COME AROUND AND AVOID ALL OF DOWNTOWN AND YOU CAN FIX ALL THE MONEY AND YOU DIDN'T SPEND ANYTHING DOWNTOWN FOR COST.
SO WE NEED TO CAPTURE THESE THINGS AND START HAVING MATT GET A LIST TOGETHER.
HOW DO YOU WANT THIS REPORTED TO YOU FUTURE PLANNING SESSION? ALREADY TOLD
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING FORWARD NOT NEXT YEAR.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING 10 YEARS.
I'M LIKE 10 YEARS IT CAN CHANGE NEXT YEAR, BUT SOME KIND OF 10 YEAR PLAN SO AT LEAST ALBERTA CAN START FIGURING OUT HOW TO AFFORD TO FINANCE IT AND MATT CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENGINEER IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE DO ONE YEAR AT A TIME AND THAT'S TOO SHORT.
SO I THINK IT'S A, WELL THE GOOD NEWS FROM TONIGHT IS THAT THEY HAVE A SOLUTION TO FUND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE FISCAL YEAR 24, 25 AND, AND NOT FISCAL YEAR 26 YET.
AND YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT 9.5 MILLION, I SAID, WELL, YEAH, THEY HAVE A PROPOSED, IT SAYS I HEARD WON'T RAISE TAX RATES.
I'M LIKE, THAT MUST MEAN IT'S GETTING PAID OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? YEAH.
A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND DOES GET PAID FOR OUT OF THE IT DOES.
SO THEN ALL WE DO, WE THEORETICALLY ARE SHIP, WE JUST SHIP MONEY AROUND TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA BORROW MONEY AND DO SOMETHING AND NOW WE JUST BORROW A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER HERE AND NOT DO HERE.
I MEAN AT THE END DAY IT'S STILL JUST ALL MONEY SPENT IS BORROWED AT THIS POINT.
REMEMBER? YES, 10 MILLION IN DEBT IS A PENNY ACCORDING TO ANN.
YEAH, THAT WAS LAST YEAR, RIGHT? THIS YEAR IT SHOULD BE LIKE 0.90 CENTS OR SOMETHING.
POINT NINE IS GONNA GO DOLLARS POINT.
THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE, ANYTHING THAT WE START TODAY IS THREE YEARS AWAY FROM DELIVERY.
SO THAT ACTUALLY IS ENCOURAGING BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU ADD TODAY, WE, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO DELIVER UNTIL 26 OR 27.
SO, SO BACK ON THE MASTER MOBILITY PLAN MAP WITH THE YELLOW AND THE BLUE AND ALL THAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE SOURCE OF THOSE COLORS? IS THAT THE EXISTING PLAN OR IS THAT MORE RECENTLY? THIS WAS, THIS WAS FROM YOUR 2018 MOBILITY MASTER PLAN.
SO THIS IS, SO, SO THOSE COLORS ARE OUTDATED AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING A NEW PLAN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW TO UPDATE.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO, I MEAN IT'S STILL, THERE'S STILL VALIDITY TO SOME OF THIS, BUT IT'S OUTDATED.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS BEFORE WE MAKE TOO MANY DECISIONS BASED ON IT.
WELL THE, YES, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CAVEAT IS THAT ARTERIALS ARE ARTERIALS ARE ARTERIAL.
BUT THE NEED, THE NEED AND AND YOU KNOW, IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS ARE BUILT IN THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT'S THERE.
AND SO THE RELATIVE NEED MAY, MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WAS THEN.
THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT.
WELL, SO THESE AREN'T COLOR CODED BASED ON NEED.
THESE ARE JUST COLOR CODED ON THE THE BOX.
SO YEAH, BUT THEY LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON 1660 THAT WEREN'T THERE SIX YEARS AGO.
IT'S A LOT ON 1 37, 16 60, YOU KNOW.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT
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OH YEAH, YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.SO THAT'S NOT REALLY BASING THE FULL NEED.
COULD CHANGE IS THE DOTTED COULD GO,
RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A DOTTED GREEN ANYMORE.
THAT'S GONNA BE BLUE IF NOT YELLOW.
UH, WHENEVER IT GETS
SO THAT'S THE SORT OF STUFF THAT, THAT WILL CHANGE FROM PLAN TO PLAN.
BUT WHAT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIMMER IS A, IS A, IS A, UH, ARTERIAL, CARL STERN IS AN ARTERIAL.
AND, AND THEN FROM THERE Y'ALL INTUITIVELY KNOW FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES IN WHICH YOU HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, LIKE WHERE THE PINCH POINTS ARE.
AND THAT SHOULD HELP Y'ALL IN YOUR NEGO IN YOUR NEGOTIATION WITH ONE ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE.
JUST THAT BE THAT, IS THAT THE FAR SOUTH OF YELLOW ROAD RIGHT THERE? IS THAT LIKE ROAD LANE? LIKE NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S TOO FAR.
THAT'S THE SOUTHEAST, THAT'S SOUTHEAST LOOP.
THE SOUTHEAST CAME, I WAS GOING WAY FURTHER SOUTH.
IT'S NOT GOT SCHOOL ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT WAS GONNA BE STRAIGHT AND STRAIGHT.
AND THEN STRAIGHT AND THEN THEY DIDN'T CHANGE SAID, JUST DECIDED TO DO THAT INSTEAD.
SO HOW FAR DOES ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL, AND THE MEAN, IF YOU GUYS COULD FOR THE, UM, COME UP WITH SOME NUMBERS ON WHAT LIKE INCREMENTS OF MAYBE 25 MILLION PROJECTED WILL COST US IN TERMS OF EITHER UTILITY SERVICE RATES OR DEBT SERVICE RATES.
I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE RAISING TAXES AND WE CAN ONLY GO 3% ON THE M AND O SIDE.
WE CAN GO UNLIMITED ON THE INS SIDE.
SO WE COULD DO A WHOLE LOT MORE.
UM, AND SO IF YOU GUYS TELL US HOW MUCH AND THEN WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH ARE WE WILLING TO STOMACH AND MAYBE WE'RE OKAY WITH THE $200 INCREASE A YEAR OR TWO 50.
AND THEN FROM THERE I THINK WE CAN BACK IN PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO EVERYTHING.
BACK TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN WILCOTT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, THAT UM, YOU HAVE THE PNZ, WHICH IS YOUR CIP COMMITTEE.
AND SO WHAT THE WAY WE DO THIS IS I WOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, HERE'S ALL THE PROJECTS THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO.
AND THEN YOU GUYS, BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT ALBERTA AND I BRING BACK TO YOU, YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, P AND Z WE WANT YOU TO TAKE FIRST PASS AT CUTTING THESE, THE PROJECT DOWN TO THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND THEN THAT REPORT COMES TO YOU GUYS FOR THE ULTIMATE DECISION AND YOU SAY, WELL, THEY MOVED THIS ROAD OUT, WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK IN AND WE'RE GONNA SHIP THIS ROAD OUT INSTEAD.
AND SO THEN THAT WAY IT'S NOT ALL ON YOU TO ANALYZE A HUNDRED ROADS, UM, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF GIVING THE GUIDANCE TO US AND TO THEM, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS THE, AND COLLABORATIVELY PIECE IT TOGETHER.
I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER THING KIND OF BACK TO THE DRAINAGE.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE DRAINAGE PROJECT AND THAT'S JUST, UM, WHAT IS IT, LEGES? THE HU I MEAN WHAT ABOUT SOME OTHER LIKE 1 37 WHERE KIND OF FLOODS GOING DOWN.
IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE REBUILD OF ONE 30? OKAY.
SO, SO IT'S KIND OF INCLUDED WITH THE ROAD.
WHAT ABOUT OLD TOWN WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S MORE OF A PRIVATE ISSUE, BUT IT'S KIND OF TURNED INTO A NIGHTMARE OR IT'S A CONTINUING NIGHTMARE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS AND OLD TOWN WITH THAT DRAINAGE FROM DURANGO.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS? I MEAN I FEEL LIKE THERE, THERE ARE SOME, EVEN AT THE INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE AT 1 37, 16 60, LIKE THAT'S A BIG DRAINAGE.
WE, WE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE NOT DONE A A, A DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN.
WHICH IS I KNOW
SO THE PROJECT THAT WAS BEING DONE WAS THE ONE THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF AND THE AND THE LEGENDS OF HOOD.
NOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN, YOU'LL HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS JUST LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND THE WATER MASTER PLAN, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
YOU'LL HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS, BUT YOU STILL ONLY HAVE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT YOU'RE GENERATING FROM THE FEE.
THE LEGENDS OF HU'S GONNA EAT THAT UP FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE? I THINK SO.