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I WAS JUST COMING TO COMPLIMENT YOU.
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THANK YOU.WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2024 OF ORDER START THE ROLL CALL.
[3.1. Discussion on Multi-family development in Hutto (Ashley Bailey) ]
ONE DISCUSSION ON MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND HUDDLE.ACTUALLY, BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
UM, WHAT'S PREPARED FOR YOU TONIGHT? IT'S JUST YOU MENTIONED OPEN ENDED CONVERSATION.
JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK MOST OF US ARE AWARE WE CAN GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE STATE LAW IS ON IF, UH, WE'RE SAYING NO TO THINGS, IT COULD STILL HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY.
SO JUST WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SAYING WITH EITHER MULTIFAMILY OR FOR RENT UNITS THAT ARE, UH, ALREADY ENTITLED IN THE CITY.
BUT THEN ALSO GO OVER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN WHAT WAS APPROVED AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE HOPING OUR NEW MULTIFAMILY LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO I'VE GOT A FEW OF THOSE SNAPSHOTS.
WE HAVE SOME TALKING POINTS AND THEN JUST LOOK FOR SOME FEEDBACK IF THERE'S ANY, UM, FEELINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DESIGN PORTION OF THE UDC, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I LOOK IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT.
SO WE DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE STATE LAWS HAVE ALREADY CHANGED TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM ETJ AND DIS ANNEX AND WE IN THAT UM, LEVEL.
AND THEN THAT'S, WE'VE HAD A FEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE DONE THAT, OR AT LEAST DEVELOPED IN THE E CJ THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN A CITY, EVEN IF THEY'RE IMPACTING THE CITY.
UM, SO I'LL JUST GET THAT ON SPEAKER QUICK.
SO HERE ARE THE CURRENT ENTITLED RENTAL UNIT NUMBERS IN THE CITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A LOT, WE HAVE SOME THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UH, KNOCKED OUT AS FAR AS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE JUST IN SITE PLANNING OR IT'S ZONED AND IT'S PLOTTED.
SO WE HAVE THEIR KIND, THEIR STATUS.
UM, WE HAVE, IF IT'S A TRADITIONAL GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEX, IF IT'S HORIZONTAL, THEY REALLY BE MORE LIKE IT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENTS THAT, UM, HAS BECOME POPULAR LATELY.
UH, WE DO HAVE ONE THAT IS, UM, STILL COMING IN AS A, UH, LIKELY AGE TARGETED, UM, FOR 55 AND OLDER.
AND THEN THE OTHERS, WE HAVE THEIR TOTAL UNITS, AT LEAST FROM TITLE, BUT IT'S BEEN ZONED.
WE JUST HAVE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY WERE ENTITLED TO HAVE.
AND THEN WE HAVE IF WITHIN OUR WATER, CCN OR WASTEWATER, CCN, SOMETIMES IT BOTH, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
AND THEN WHAT THEIR TOTAL LU ARE BASED ON OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE IN THE CITY WE HAVE ABOUT 1100 UNITS BUILT.
WE HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER THOUSAND UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WE HAVE TOTAL ALMOST 7,200 ALREADY ENTITLED IN THE CITY.
WITH 1100 WITH A THOUSAND OR IS IT WITH THE YEAH, THE FULL AMOUNT IS ENTITLED 5,200 IS, IT WILL STILL REMAIN TO COME.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE, SO HERE'S JUST ONE SNIPPET FROM THE COMP PLANS.
YOU'LL SEE HERE WE JUST KINDA LOOSELY DEFINED MULTIFAMILY AND THIS IS THE VERY TRADITIONAL GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'LL PROBABLY, UM, BE ACCUSTOMED TO.
UH, AND THEN ON CHRIS KELLY, LIKE WE HAVE NORTH STAR.
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR FIRST LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX, UH, BETWEEN 2017 AND 2018.
SO THIS REALLY KIND OF ENCAPSULATES THAT, UH, MORE OF THAT
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SNAPSHOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WHERE WE CONSIDER THESE TO BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AS FAR AS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS DEVELOP, YOU'LL SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IT'S MORE OF THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR.
THAT THE INTENSITY IS MEDIUM INTENSE AND WE HAVE LOW TO MID-RISE.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS, WHICH IS THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE MISSING MIDDLE, SO TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, UM, AND THEN ALSO SOME MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN ON THE, UH, SNAPSHOT THAT IT IS ALSO DEFINED AS WHERE WE DEFINE THESE APPROPRIATE AND WHERE WE WOULD THINK THEY'RE LESS APPROPRIATE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IN A SHOPPING CENTER, PROBABLY NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE.
UM, AND THEN NEIGHBOR ACTIVITY CENTERS WE'RE GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN URBAN FEEL.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE STILL SAY THAT THESE ARE APPROPRIATE IN A MIXED USE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE FORMAT.
LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UM, AREA THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS.
THAT'S WHERE WE UM, PROBABLY THINK ABOUT LANDER THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY APPROVED.
SO WE REALLY WANT THAT DENSITY.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT IN THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY.
AND THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE CONFERENCE THAT HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
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YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT THIS IS WHAT THE LAND USE HAS WORKED OUT TO BE.SO FOR MULTIFAMILY WE'RE GONNA BE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT IN THE CITY, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
UM, BUT YOU'LL ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT MULTIFAMILY ON THAT, UM, TRADITIONAL KIND OF MUDDY BROWN COLOR IS ONLY FOR THAT VERY LARGE GARDEN STYLE.
UM, THAT IS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
THE REST OF IT, YOU COULD STILL HAVE SOME OF THAT MULTIFAMILY WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER WITHIN THOSE, UM, ACTIVITY NOTES.
AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THOSE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ON HERE IS JUST CALLED NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO TO GET IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, HERE'S ONE THAT I THINK WE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IS THAT MISSING MIDDLE AND THE AFFORDABILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE CITY.
AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY DEFINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MORE SO ON TOWN HOMES ARE DETACHED, THAT MISSING MIDDLE, A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE FOR OWNERSHIP.
SO YOU COULD HAVE IT AS A TOWN HOME, YOU COULD HAVE IT AS A RENTAL, BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A CONDO UNIT.
UH, AND REALLY TO SHOW YOU HOW SOME OF THIS COULD DEVELOP IN THE CITY AS INFILL OR JUST WITHIN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT TOP RIGHT? JUST TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE, UH, SAYING THAT MISSING MIDDLE CAN BE DIFFERENT AND JUST THIS IS THE SAME THINGS WE'LL BE SHARING WITH P AND Z JUST TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? HOW DO YOU THINK THIS FITS INTO HUDU OVERALL? I CAN TELL YOU THE STATE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT BUILD, EITHER TO LIMIT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING TO ADD ADUS ACROSS, UM, TO MAKE ADUS OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, BY, RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT IN THE LEGISLATURE OR THAT WERE ATTEMPTED LAST YEAR THAT WE THINK WILL BE COMING BACK TO HELP WITH AFFORDABILITY.
SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE MIGHT WANNA GO AHEAD AND BUILD INTO THE CODE, UM, JUST TO GET READY FOR THAT.
UM, SO THIS IS REALLY JUST MORE OF HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF UNITS COMING IN.
DO YOU LIKE THE GARDEN STYLE MORE OF JUST THE, UM, FENCED IN, UM, KIND OF THEY ARE UNTO THEMSELVES AND THEY FUNCTION AS THEIR OWN? OR DO YOU LIKE IT MORE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE IT COULD BE WORKED INTO AN OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD? MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THE THREE TO FOUR STORY, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, BUT YOU STILL GET MORE DENSITY ON ACROSS A FEW LOTS.
AND SO WE'D STILL HAVE THAT AFFORDABILITY BUILT IN, BUT MAYBE NOT SOME OF THOSE LARGER MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEXES THAT ARE TYPICAL WHEN YOU THINK OF MULTIFAMILY.
SO WITH THAT, I CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU FOUR QUESTION.
SO WITH, WITH THIS STYLE, IS IT LIKE A, IT'S DETACHED, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S THREE LEVELS TYPICALLY IS THAT BEING, IT'S LIKE THREE LIKE TENANTS OR IT'S JUST ONE TENANT HAS THE THREE LEVELS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF SMALL AND NARROW KIND OF ROW HOUSE.
YOU CAN GET WHAT THEY'RE CALLED TRIPLEXES.
SO YOU CAN HAVE SEPARATE ON ALL THREE LEVELS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST VERY SMALL.
SO YOU HAVE ONE HOME ON THREE LEVELS.
UM, THEY COULD MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BASED ON HOW THEY WANT TO COME IN.
UM, BUT BEING ABLE TO WORK SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GET THAT AFFORDABILITY PORTION POSSIBLY FOR OWNERSHIP WOULD POTENTIALLY HELP FOR SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE SMALL ENOUGH.
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I THINK IT WAS 20 FEET WIDE, 60 FEET DEEP.
SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO ADDRESS IT AND JUST GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DENSITY, BUT WHAT DO WE WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE LONG TERM FOR? ARE WE ABLE TO LIKE STOP ALL BUILDING FOR A LITTLE BIT? LIKE CAN WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON IT UNTIL WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS DONE AND SOME OF OUR ROADS ARE DONE AND WE PUSH THE REST OF THEM WELL BECAUSE THEY'LL JUST BUILD IT IN BATALION THEN YOU HAVE NO SAY AT ALL.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT A MORATORIUM ON A SPECIFIC BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE THE MORATORIUM HAS TO BE BASED ON US BEING OUT OF A RESOURCE.
I WOULD SAY WATER WOULD BE OUR ISSUE.
CAN YOU CHANGE? YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF, BUT CAN YOU CHANGE THE PARKING RATIOS AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO WHERE IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE LIKE CAN ROUND ROCK, THEY DON'T DO GARDEN STYLE ANYMORE.
THEY CHANGE THEIR CODES TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUILD WHATEVER IT'S CALLED THE WRAPPED OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE THAT WAY, WHICH HAS MADE IT EXTREMELY COST PROHIBITIVE FOR MANY PEOPLE SO THAT EVERYBODY JUST STOPPED BUILDING APARTMENTS.
AND SO THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU HOW WITH WHAT MATERIALS WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU BASED ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE.
YOU READ IT GO, THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS WRAP IT.
AND SO WE, I MEAN HAS ANY, HAS ANY CITIES YOU WORK FOR, DO YOU SEE ANYBODY DO THAT TO WHERE NO.
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IS WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A ZONING CASE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER, JUST DON'T PROVE IT.AND WE CERTAINLY COULD ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE LARGER OR MORE DENSE.
I THINK IT'D BE SIMILAR TO THE, AGAIN, LANDER THAT JUST CAME THROUGH ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAID THAT THEY COULD HAVE ON ONE OF THE TRACKS, I THINK UP TO 600 UNITS IF IT WAS A GARAGE WRAP OR IF IT WASN'T THEN I THINK THAT NUMBER WAS CUT IN HALF.
SO THEY HAD MORE OF LIKE 300 TRADITIONAL GUARD STYLE.
BUT IF YOU WRAPPED IT, YOU ACTUALLY GOT MORE DENSITY.
IT WAS AN INCENTIVE TO DO THE, A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S, BUT I MEAN I'M TALKING JUST REGULAR MULTIFAMILY ZONING.
I THINK YOU COULD STILL INCENTIVIZE THAT NOW AND SAY KIND OF THAT DEAL, LIKE MAYBE THE MORE DENSITY YOU HAVE AND MORE YOU HAVE TO GO UP MM-HMM.
OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING THEN MAYBE WOULD BE MORE SO TO THAT SMALLER LEVEL OF APARTMENTS WHERE MAYBE IT'S ONLY TWO TO THREE BUT IT'S DONE IN SMALLER LITTLE UNITS KINDA LIKE THIS.
OR UM, WE HAVE ONE FOURPLEX IN TOWN THAT'S REALLY, UM, IT'S REALLY SWEET.
IT'S OVER ON EVAN STREET AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE FOURPLEX AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GREAT INFILL DEVELOPMENT BUT WE COULD SEE PROBABLY MORE OF THOSE COMING ON BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE EVEN SMALLER DEVELOPERS BEING ABLE TO BUY A LOT AND DEVELOP A FOURPLEX.
UM, AND FOURPLEX IT COULD BE FOUR RENT OR THEY COULD, YOU COULD STILL CONDO THOSE OUT.
UM, SO WE MIGHT JUST SEE A SHIFT IN WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE OR WE'LL PROBABLY SEE LOTS COMING IN THAT HAVE A LOT MORE DENSITY ON A SINGLE LOT ON A HORIZONTAL LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE TO TWO STORES.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST TO TRY TO, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE, SO WE WOULD GO TO MORE OF A WRAP PROJECT.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT SOME OF THE MORE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR MISSING MIDDLE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE CODE? UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS? WHAT THE THINGS THAT WE DO TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY, KNOWING WHERE MULTIFAMILY MEMBERS ARE, KNOWING IT'S FAIRLY TRADITIONAL RIGHT NOW.
SHOULD THERE BE A CHANGE IN THE UPCOMING ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR MORE OPTIONS? I SAY MY OPINION IS TO SAY YES, PROVIDE FOR MORE OPTIONS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE OR, UM, OTHER THAN THIS, SO-CALLED AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE COMING IN NOW, BUT ALSO TO MAYBE SET IT TO A DATE WHERE NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING UP AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A REPRIEVE RIGHT NOW.
OH, DO ANYTHING THAT INCENTIVIZES APARTMENTS TO, TO ME, I UNDERSTAND THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE, BUT HUDA IS NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT.
IF WE CHANGE OUR CODES TO MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE, THEY WON'T BECOME MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE OF DEMAND QUICKLY OUTSTRIPS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF, IF WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO, WE COULD HAVE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THEY WOULD BE THERE FOR JUST A MINUTE BEFORE ALL THE PEOPLE IN METRO AREA SAID, HEY, GO TO HU THEY HAVE CHEAPER APARTMENTS.
AND THEN WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY RAISE UP THE RENTS BECAUSE THE MARKET DICTATES THE PRICING.
AND SO IF WE START ADJUSTING OUR CODES TO FIX AUSTIN'S AFFORDABILITY ISSUE, THEN ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS RUIN OUR CITY AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS PUTTING THINGS TO PUSH IT OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE EASY ANSWER, BUT TAXES DRIVE RENTS AND EVERYBODY'S RAISING TAXES IN THE METRO AREA.
AND SO UNTIL, TO ME WE FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
THE RENTS ARE GONNA KEEP RISING WHEN VALUES RISE.
BUT, WELL I THINK ONE THING WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS WHEN YOU BUILD APARTMENTS, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE RESOURCES OF THE CITY.
WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO CONTAIN MORE OF THOSE IMPACTS WITHIN THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ITSELF? LIKE TAYLOR JUST HAD AN ARTICLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A 10% GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT.
THE COUNCIL JUST VOTED TO OVERRIDE IT AND ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT WITH 2.5% GREEN SPACE.
WHICH DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT ALL TO ME BECAUSE THEY SAID THERE WAS ENOUGH GREEN SPACE NEARBY THAT DOESN'T IMPROVE ANYTHING.
I MEAN IT JUST USES UP THAT GREEN SPACE FASTER.
SO IF WE HAD THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE IN AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS THEY CAN CRAM IN THERE, THAT GIVES THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE APARTMENTS THINGS TO DO WITHIN THAT COMPLEX.
WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT LOOKING IN THE REST OF THE CITY AS OFTEN FOR THINGS TO DO.
SO IT HAS AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A LIGHTNING OF THE IMPACT ON THE CITY.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES WHERE THE LOTS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS COULD BE SMALLER BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME SHARED OPEN SPACE.
SO WHAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE IN A PRIVATE LOT YOU HAVE IN A COMMUNAL SPACE, RIGHT? AND YOU COULD GO THERE, YOU CAN THROW A FOOTBALL OR A BASEBALL WITH YOUR KIDS, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, RUN AROUND WITH YOUR DOG A LITTLE BIT POTENTIALLY A LOT OF THEM, I MEAN I KNOW A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE FENCED IN DOG AREAS AND STUFF.
SO I'VE EVEN SEEN SOME WHERE THEY HAVE FENCED IN PRIVATE BACKYARDS OFF OF THE GROUND FLOOR BALCONIES, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
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I KNOW WE'LL HAVE SOME IN SPACES LIKE THE CO-OP WHERE IT IS MORE OF A MIXED USE AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOME MIXED USE AREAS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SOMEONE COULD DEVELOP IT.IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DESIRED MORE SO THAN A GARDEN STYLE TRADITIONAL? I THINK SOMETHING ABOVE THE HAIL WE GET, WE GET LATELY INSURANCE POLICIES ARE GOING OFF THE ROOF.
DO WE HAVE LIKE A POLICY OR LIKE A STANDARD ON LIKE PERVIEWS COVER? LIKE HOW MUCH OF IT CAN BE COVERED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR NUMBER IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE? RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE LIMITS.
UM, IT WILL PROBABLY COME UP WITH THE NEXT ITERATION OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USED TO THAT.
AND IT ALSO, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PREDICTABILITY I THINK WITHIN THE CITY JUST, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO MORE THAN X NUMBER.
UM, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF TIMES EVEN ON SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SET IS THAT IT'S A PLAT NOTE ON EVERY PLAT THAT WE HAVE TO GO BACK ON THE DRAINAGE PLANS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEN PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE IT BECAUSE YOU COULD ADD A PATIO, YOU COULD DO THIS, YOU COULD BE RIGHT ABOVE UM, WHAT THAT'S ALLOWED AND THEN YOU COULD UNFORTUNATELY HAVE COMPLICATIONS FOR NEIGHBORS AT THE RUNOFF GETS.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSED FOR THE CURRENT UDC OR JUST LIKE IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF REWRITING ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A PART OF THAT.
SO IT'LL KINDA BE LIKE MAYBE A BABY STEP TO, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY JUST CALL IT OUT.
IT'S JUST BASED ON YOUR DRAINAGE POINTS.
BUT I THINK IT'LL BE, YOU STILL HAVE TO GIVE US SOME DRAINAGE POINTS.
HOWEVER THE MAXIMUM'S GONNA BE WHATEVER NUMBER THAT FILTERS OUT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE SAY I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, STUFF OTHER THAN JUST YOUR TRADITIONAL LIKE THREE FOUR LIKE UM, RIGHT THERE OFF OF 1 38, IT'S LIKE IT'S GONNA BE RENT RENTAL.
I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOWN HOMES OR IF IT'S GONNA BE UM, OR IF IT'S LIKE RENT TO OWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR IF IT'S JUST HOMES THAT THEY CAN RENT.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE? THIS WAIT SHOWS UP OVER HERE.
I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UNITS ARE GONNA BE IN THERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND IT'S GONNA HAVE LIKE THAT LITTLE POND THAT USED TO DO LIKE THE HORSE AREA.
SO IT IS AT THE VERY END OF TOWN.
UM, THAT IS CALLED HU STATION.
SO IT'S SINGLE FAMILY PER RENT.
SO IT FUNCTIONS MUCH LIKE MULTIFAMILY.
YOU WOULD GO IN, IT IS GATED, HAVE THE MAIN OFFICE, BUT THEN THERE, BUT IT'S JUST INDIVIDUAL HOMES, EITHER INDIVIDUAL.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES FOUR LIKE FOURPLEXES.
UM, IT'S ALSO SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT WE'VE GOT.
I SHOULD GO BACK TO THE FULL LIST.
UM, SO WE HAVE SOME, UH, CARVER RIDGE IS MORE, UH, TRADITIONAL THAT'S ON 1 37 AT 1660 SOUTH.
THAT'S THE SMALLER VERSION OF, I THINK THEY'RE TOPPED DOWN TWO STORIES.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE NARROWS THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S ALREADY IN, THAT'S MUCH TALLER.
UM, THAT'S A MORE OF TRADITIONAL GARDEN STYLE LOOK TO IT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW COMING IN AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OVER HERE OFF OF EX UM, EXCHANGE WHERE YOU'LL HAVE SOME ATTACHED TOWNHOME UNITS.
WE ARE GETTING A LOT MORE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT.
SO YOU'LL HAVE MORE OF JUST ONE TWO STORY.
UH, SO IT DOESN'T, WHEN YOU GO BY YOU WOULD SEE THAT THAT'S ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T FUNCTION AS JUST, YOU KNOW, DRIVING BY SOMEWHERE DOWN HERE WHERE YOU PASS BY AND YOU HAVE THE TOWN HOMES AND IT'S, THAT'S ITS OWN DEVELOPMENT BUT IT JUST FLOWS IN WELL WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SFR AS MUCH AS MULTIFAMILY KNOW'S KIND THE SAME THING, BUT I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT IF WE WANNA DENSITY CHANGES, RIGHT? SO YEAH, IT'S GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE OR IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT BIT OF A YARD.
BUT I THINK WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT IF WE WANNA TRY TO SOLVE THE AFFORDABILITY.
'CAUSE IF WE WANNA DO THAT, BUT THEN WE ADD LIKE CIVIC SPACE THAT DRIVES UP, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING AND MAKE THE, THE SAY THE LOT'S ALL SMALL AND THEN YOU CAN COUNTERACT THAT WITHIN MAKING CIVIC SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S LAND THEY COULD HAVE USED, WHICH IS JUST ALMOST OFFSET WHAT YOU JUST DID.
AND SO, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO SOLVE IT AND OBVIOUSLY NO ONE'S FIGURED IT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE ARE BUILDING STUFF.
BUT MY HOPE IS THAT WE COULD HELP SOLVE IT BEFORE THE STATE TRIES TO SOLVE IT FOR US.
JUST SEEING WHAT WAS PROPOSED LAST YEAR, MAYBE A LITTLE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE,
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IT WOULD BE, I KNOW ONE OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN SOME OF THE LARGER LOT AREAS, BUT IT WAS, YOU COULDN'T HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN A DU.YOU COULD NOT, UM, REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR A DU.
SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY BUILD AN A DU, RENT IT OUT TO SOMEONE AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY MORE PARKING.
AND THEN WITH THE STREETS, THE REST THAT HAS OTHER COMPLICATIONS AND IT WOULD BE A STATE LAW THAT WOULD PREEMPT EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING DUE RESTRICTIONS.
SO WHAT'S AN A DU ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? SO YOU, TINY HOME, TINY HOME BRANDY FLAG GARAGE APARTMENT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO YOU COULD BUILD THEM LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON 1660 SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THEY'VE GOT GARAGES LIKE A MAN CAVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT THIS WOULD BE FULLY, IT'S VERY POPULAR IN AUSTIN AND UM, STUDENTS RUN OUT A LOT.
BUT FOR WHAT THIS STORAGE BUILDINGS FOR, UH, TO LIVE IN, IN AUSTIN.
SO, SO THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE IF THE STATE COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING AT THE NEXT SESSION, I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY GET REVISITED THAT WE COULD SEE SOME PRETTY BIG CHANGES.
I GUESS I HADN'T THOUGHT OF GARAGES, WOULD THEY, I MEAN A, A GARAGE CONVERSION, COULD THAT BE DONE PART OF IT TOO OR UNDER THAT? NOT WITH WHERE THE COATS ARE RIGHT NOW.
IT'D BE MORE SO IF YOU HAD AN APARTMENT ABOVE A GARAGE.
WE DO HAVE FEW DOWNTOWN THAT HAVE THAT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GARAGE CONVERSIONS THAT MIGHT JUST SET UP AN EXPLOSION OF THEM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY TO, TO JUMP INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT THAT RIGHT.
WITH OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW.
OR ALSO WITH THE FIRE CODE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE SPACE, I BELIEVE 36 INCHES WIDE OR SO.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO AT LEAST THERE ARE SIDE ENTRY GARAGES THAT HAVE A FULL WINDOW THAT COULD MM-HMM.
UM, BUT A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL GARAGES, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO THAT BECAUSE YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO CUT IT UP WINDOW AND THERE'D BE OTHER THINGS.
BUT DEPENDING ON HOW STATE LAW WORKS OUT, THAT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF STATES NOW COMING THROUGH WITH UM, JUST PROHIBITIONS OR JUST GETTING RID OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ANYWHERE ON RESIDENTIAL AND IT'LL PREEMPT THE CHOICE AS WELL.
SO WHAT I WOULD SEE IS WHERE YOU HAVE A GARAGE DOOR, IF THEY GET RID OF THAT THEN THEY COULD JUST COME IN AND BUILD A DOOR.
THE WINDOW YOU REALLY THE FIRE CODE.
THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE 'CAUSE YOU'RE INDEED RESTRICTION OF YOUR HOA BUT IF STATE LAW FRAMES THAT THEN THAT
WELL AND YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY TEND TO DO THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY USUALLY SAY H HOAS CAN'T RESTRICT THIS IF THEY WANT IT.
SO YEAH, IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE PROSPECTIVE.
SO JUST, I KNOW THAT THE NUMBERS ARE A LOT 'CAUSE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THIS, THOSE ARE, THAT'S A LOT THAT'S YOU KNOW, 5,200 MORE UNITS.
UM, AND THE 3.5% THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE OTHER SLIDE INCLUDES THE 7,200.
THIS IS THE OVERALL JUST LAND PERCENTAGE OF HOW MUCH BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S, SO I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT IS JUST THAT TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.
SO YOU'LL SEE ON THIS LIKE SOME PERCENTAGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER IS MULTIFAMILY.
AND SOME OF THE UM, COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER COULD BE AS WELL.
UM, SO IT'S, SO FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE, FOUR.
IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO SIX JUST BY, BUT ALSO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY CLOSER TO FIVE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE REALLY ONLY GETTING ABOUT HALF IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITIES CENTERS.
'CAUSE YOU WANT MORE OF A HALF HALF BETWEEN RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHAT'S NORMAL IN A 35,000, 40,000 POPULATION CITY.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PIN ANYBODY DOWN ON WHAT NORMAL OR THE BEST RATIO.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TOLERATE.
THERE'S CERTAINLY COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T WANT ANY MULTIFAMILY OR RENTALS AT ALL.
UM, BUT THEN THERE'S COMMUNITIES THAT ARE LIKE, HEY YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THIS POPULATION, WE'VE GOT SAMSUNG, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE.
CAN YOU CHECK HOW GEORGETOWN DOES IT? BECAUSE I SAW THEM DEBATING AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND THEY PRESENTED SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE THEY SAT WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF APARTMENTS AND HOW THAT COMPARED TO AREA CITIES.
SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY USE.
I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ARE ON, WE ARE VERY FRESH TO THE MULTIFAMILY MARKET.
UM, SO WE ARE DEFINITELY, WE'RE THE NEWBIES ON THE BLOCK FOR UM, TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN HELP THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT CODES MAYBE PROVIDE SOME OF THE OPTIONS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME FOR TOWN HOMES RIGHT NOW, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T LOOKING AT TOWN HOMES.
WE HAVE ONE AREA RIGHT NOW BUILDING THAT I THINK HAS DONE VERY WELL AND IT'S THE EMORY DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN THE RSI, IT WAS SIZE SIDE, UM, EMORY CAME IN.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME ROW HOUSES.
THEY HAVE SOME OF THE TOWN HOMES AND IT'S FUNCTIONING REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW.
UM, SOME MORE OF THE ATTACHED HOMES ARE COMING ONLINE NOW AND THEY'RE UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
BUT YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, YOU SEE SINGLE FAMILY ON ONE SIDE YOU'LL SEE ROW HOUSES WITH SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET AND THOSE ROW HOUSES ARE ALLEY LOADED.
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INTO SOME OF THOSE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES ON ITS OWN AND IT FUNCTIONS REALLY WELL.UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
JUST 'CAUSE LIKE IT'S JUST LIKE A GOOD LIKE LOOK, LOOK AND FEEL.
IT'S VERY LIKE NEIGHBOR HOODIE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL FUNCTION IN THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHICH KIND IS THAT? UM, WE'VE GOT, IT'S LIKE TOWN HOMES AND THEN ATTACHED TOWN HOMES COMING IN AT EMORY.
SO NOT LIKE THE BROOKLYNS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ALLEY IN THE BACK? NO, THE TOWN HOMES DO HAVE AN ALLEY BUT UM, IT'S ONLY THE TOWN HOME PRODUCT ON SOME OF THOSE.
WHERE'S EMORY CHER? UM, EMERY IS NORTH OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT UH, COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 I BELIEVE.
IT GOES BACK TO OR EDGE SCHMIDT AND UH, LIMMER.
SO, UM, WHERE THE HOUSE WAS THE, THE BIG DEAL HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT 48 HOURS BECAUSE IT WAS ALLEYS.
ALL I SEE IS PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYBODY PARKING ON THE STREET.
LIKE YOU, YOU PURCHASE HOMES, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PARK IN THE ALLEY AND THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THEN THEY'RE NOT USING THAT OR IT'S NOT BUILT TO WHERE THEY CAN PARK IN IT.
SO THEN THEY USE THE STREET WHICH WASN'T BUILT TO HAVE CARS.
I WAS TELLING JAMES, I'VE EVEN SEEN SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT LIKE WHOLE SECTIONS OF NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE FIRE LANES.
SO THEN YOU SEEMS LIKE SOMEWHERE THERE'S SOMETHING'S BEEN MESSED UP WHERE WELL LIKE I KNOW LIKE SCHMIDT CREEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T GONE TO ANYTHING FINAL BUT LIKE, I GUESS KIND OF LIKE PRELIMINARY THINGS THAT THEY'VE KIND OF SHOWN MM-HMM.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LIKE MULTI-USE THINGS AND LIKE I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE LIKE THE TRADITIONAL IN THERE, BUT THEN THEY HAD SOME LIKE SMALL LIKE MAYBE TOWN HOMES OR GARDEN HOMES OR COTTAGES.
THEY HAVE LIKE COTTAGES, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST, BUT IT'S ALL IN THE SAME AREA.
BUT YOU CAN LIKE, I GUESS CROSS THE STREET OR GO THE BACK STREET.
IT'S A DIFFERENT, YEAH, WE THINK A LOT OF MIX.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE.
OVER OFF OF EXCHANGE WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
IT'S ALL ONE RENTAL DEVELOPMENT.
BUT CLOSER TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY DID THE TOWN HOME LEVEL AND THEN THEY BUILT UP TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU SEE GOING IN RIGHT NOW.
SO WE ARE GETTING THAT WITHIN THE PUD.
BUT WHAT I'D HOPE IS THAT WHEN WE ARE THESE DEVELOPMENT CODES, WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD SOME OF THAT CREATIVITY INTO THE CODE BY RIGHT.
JUST TO SAY, HEY JUST COME, YOU CAN DO COOL THINGS IN HU AND IT DOESN'T JUST HAVE TO BE THIS ONE SPECIFIC, UM, YOU KNOW, COOKIE CUTTER.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE UNIQUE, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT MIGHT MAKE HUTTO BETTER IN THE FUTURE.
REMEMBER HOW MAD MITCH WAS WHEN WE POLITELY ASKED IN THE DOWNSCALE THE EXCHANGE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU TAKE LIKE 300 UNITS OFF YOU PUT IT DOWN.
EVERYTHING ASKED BECAUSE THAT WAS GONNA BE, PEOPLE THINK IT'S DENSE NOW.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS GONNA BE SUPER DENSE AND WE KIND OF BLEW IT UP IN A MEETING.
WHAT'S THERE NOW IS AS DENSE IF NOT MORE THAN WHAT HE PROPOSED.
BUT HE HAD 1200 UNITS AND IT, WE'VE GOT IT DOWN LIKE 800 IS THIS WHOLE THING.
I MEAN ON WHERE RESI IS RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS NOT APARTMENTS THAT WAS S THAT WAS FAR LESS DENSE THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE I THINK WAS MORE DENSE IN THE, IN THAT ORIGINAL, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I DON'T, I ONLY KNOW WHAT COMMON, SINCE I KNOW THAT WAS ALWAYS ON MULTIFAMILY SINCE 2003 OR SO.
SORRY, I'M LOOKING THAT SOUND FAMILIAR.
THAT WE, WE REDID THAT WHOLE THING AND MADE IT.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT, THERE GOTTA BE A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL HIGH OR SOMETHING AND WE, THERE WAS A LOT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN 'CAUSE I REMEMBER EVERY, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU'RE UM, IF, AND I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE SOME OF THE INFORMATION.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S UH, THE SMART TOWNS MOVEMENT.
SO USUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT MORE DENSE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PROPERTY TAXES IN A CERTAIN AREA.
YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE WALKABLE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO SOMETIMES IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT MORE DENSE UM, IN AREAS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO BUILD IN A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE ON VILLAGE CONCEPT.
THAT IF YOU COULD BUILD IT IN AND YOU CAN BUILD IN THE COMMERCIAL THAT MAYBE YOU CAN JUST WALK TO A SMALLER CORNER STORE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR FROM NORTH HU AND GO DOWN TO GATA SCHOOL FOR THE HEB, UM, FOR THAT ONE USE THAT YOU NEED OR COME ALL THE WAY OVER HERE FOR SOMETHING.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF STAY WITHIN YOUR LITTLE AREA AND HAVE IT MORE WALKABLE.
SO THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO IT.
CERTAINLY FOR HAVING A DENSITY.
I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT WHERE WE WERE GONNA BE.
I KNOW IT ENDED UP WITH A, SOME AGREEMENTS ON IT ON HOW DENSE WE ENDED UP BEING.
HE STILL GOT THE SAME THING THAT HE WANTED.
HE SHOULD HAVE GOT SO MAD BECAUSE ALL THINGS JUST TO GET YOUR IDEAS FLOW, I MEAN
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RIGHT.ANYTHING ELSE ON THREE ONE? DID WE DO ANYTHING TO TRACK? UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH VARIATION THERE IS IN NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE IMPACT.
SO, UM, I HAVE THE INFORMATION.
I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT CERTAINLY UM, IF YOU LIKE, WE COULD START, 'CAUSE I HAVE THESE ALREADY OF JUST WHERE WE ARE IN STATUS IS SOMETHING THAT UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHARE INTERNALLY OF WHERE ARE WE ON VALUE, EASE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? MM-HMM.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY, YEAH, I THINK UM, I COULD ADD IN SOMETHING OF HOW MANY, THAT'S SOMETHING I CERTAINLY LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POPULATION.
'CAUSE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT TYPICALLY, OR IT'S A THREE OR JUST REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY TYPICALLY IS A THREE, TWO, LET'S SAY IT.
UM, SO SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENTS ARE ABOUT THAT SAME LEVEL.
THAT'S A POPULATION INCREASE AT THAT LEVEL.
UH, CERTAINLY WITH THE MULTIFAMILY YOU'RE NOT, IF IT'S A ONE BEDROOM, YOU DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 3.19 OR HOWEVER IT SHAKES OUT NOW IN THE CENSUS.
UM, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY ADD SOME COLUMNS OF JUST A LITTLE BIT EXTRA INFORMATION OVER THERE SO WE COULD START TRACKING THAT AS WELL.
AND IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S AFFORDABILITY FOR THAT, UM, SINGLE, SINGLE PARENT, MAYBE TWO KIDS OR YOU KNOW, YOUNG FAMILY WITH THAT HASN'T MOVED INTO A TRADITIONAL HOUSE YET.
AND THEN THEY CAN GO FROM THAT TO A, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT RENT IS SINGLE, IS SINGLE APARTMENT BEDROOM.
UM, SO ARE WE ABLE TO LOOK AT SETTING THE, UH, A BED, LIKE GO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND SEE IF WE CAN SET A PERCENTAGE BASED ON THAT? THE NUMBER OF RESEARCH ON I HAVE, NOT JUST IN LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, MULTIFAMILY, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY SET A MINIMUM WHAT THEY WANT.
A THREE BEDROOM OR TWO BEDROOM OR ONE BEDROOMS. BUT I CAN CERTAINLY START TRACKING TO SEE IF WE'RE GETTING HEAVY IN ONE AREA BECAUSE THAT'S MORE WHAT I CARE ABOUT THAN YOU.
BECAUSE ALSO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF YOU'RE A THREE BEDROOM, TYPICALLY THAT PROBABLY MEANS MAYBE ONE CAR.
YOU'VE GOT THREE ONE BEDROOMS. THAT'S THREE CARS ON THE STREETS.
I MEAN IF, IF IT'S A FAMILY, IT MIGHT BE ONE CAR, BUT YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE 20 SOMETHING.
SO IT IT, THE AVERAGE IS GONNA BE LOWER BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ONE.
IT'S GONNA BE NO IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WHEN I WAS THINKING AFFORDABLE IS THAT SINGLE PARENT WITH TWO OR THREE KIDS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FALLS IN THINGS, BUT ROOMIES.COM YOU CAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING FOUR BEDROOM HOMES, HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT BEDROOMS AS UNITS AND THEN THEY USE THE LIVING ROOM AREAS AS A COMMON SPACE.
SO HOW DO WE AS A CITY LOOK AT THAT? IS THAT A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT? IS THAT GOING DOWN? WHEN YOU DRIVE TO THE STREETS, YOU'LL SEE LIKE SIX CARS IN ONE DRIVEWAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS THAT MANY PEOPLE.
BUT THEN YOU GO TO ROOMIES.COM AND PEOPLE ARE RUNNING LIKE MASTER BEDROOMS AT 1100 A MONTH.
THIS BEDROOM HAS A JACKET AND JILL WITH THIS BEDROOM AND SO THAT'S 700 AND YOU GET THE FREE USE OF THE REFRIGERATOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO I'M SEEING THAT TO WHERE I OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AFFORDABILITY ISSUE, BUT LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING TO ME SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL GEARED ON THIS ONE HOUSE THAT'S A THREE BEDROOM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FAMILIES LIVING IN THERE, SO DO YOU BASE THAT ON, ON WHO HAS HOMESTEAD OR NOT? IS THAT ONLY HAVE THERE HONESTLY, I KNOW THAT COMMUNAL LIVING HAS BECOME, I MEAN PART OF IT I THINK WOULD BE THE AFFORDABILITY, BUT COMMUNAL LOWING HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TRACTION.
UM, MOSTLY I THINK IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
BUT CERTAINLY I'VE SEEN IT HERE NOW WHERE YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEPARATE OUT AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR COMMON SPACE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST DONE AS OVERALL DEVELOPMENTS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT ON SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD YET.
SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK IN THE LEGALITIES OF, I THINK IT'S R-O-O-M-I-E-S.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S DEFINITELY, I MEAN THERE'S COMMUNAL LIVING SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STUDENTS AND A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU HAVE A HIGHER STUDENT POPULATION THAT GETS A BIT MORE, UM, PROLIFIC.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S RULES ABOUT US.
I THINK YOU COULD FIND WHAT IF NO.
AND THEN THERE'S APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF MEAL THING WHERE THEY'RE JUST RENTING OUT THE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS WITH THE ONE.
OR DOES A FIRE CODE COME IN? 'CAUSE THE HOUSE IS ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN IT.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE A TWO BEDROOM WITH 10 PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE CAN YOU EASILY IT'S BY BEDROOM, RIGHT? RIGHT.
HOW DO REINFORCE THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU GOT THIS DENSITY AND THEN YOU GOT EVEN MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE POTENTIALLY.
AND THEN RIGHT HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD A ROAD AND WHY IS THIS CONGESTED? WHY IS THIS SCHOOL TOO FULL? IT SHOULDN'T BE.
BUT THEN I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ADDRESS, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS ABLE TO TRACK
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HOW MANY ADDRESSES COMING OUT LIKE ONE HOUSE.BUT WHEN YOU GO ON THE, WHEN YOU GO ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S A PRIVATE LANDOWNER.
RIGHT? SO IT MAY, YOUR HOUSE, THE SCHOOL WOULD THEN YOU'RE LIKE, HEY RUBY.COM Y'ALL JOIN IN.
RIGHT? SO, BUT FOR SCHOOLS THEY WOULD TRACK THAT.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET THE ADDRESS WHERE THE STUDENT'S COMING FROM.
BUT HOW WOULD THEY KNOW IF THEY HAVE 12,000 STUDENTS? THEY, THEY KNOW IF THEY HAVE THIS MANY STUDENTS COMING FROM THE SAME ADDRESS BECAUSE THEY REGISTERED FOR THE SCHOOL THAT ADDRESS.
HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA, HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S, IT'S TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE MARRIED AND SHARE DIFFERENT LAST NAMES WITH, YOU KNOW, A MIXED HOME OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FOR HOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S TWO COMPLETE SEPARATE FAMILIES? WE DO, BUT YOU KIND GET INTO NONE YOUR BUSINESS.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, OR DID YOU CARE ABOUT DENSITY? NO,
BUT IF YOU GET THE NUMBERS FROM THE ISD OF THIS MANY STUDENTS ARE FROM THIS POCKET OF POPULATION THAT GOES TO THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEN YOU CAN USE THAT DATA TO GUIDE YOUR, UM, ROAD DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO WHETHER IT'S A BLENDED FAMILY OR COUNCIL, WE'RE GONNA GET PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION.
SO THOSE MAJORITY OF THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING DOUBLED UP AND TRIPLE DEBT ARE COVERED UNDER THE MCKINNEY-VENTO LAW.
AND THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT YOU SEE IN HURO.
THERE ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 600 STUDENTS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LIVING DOUBLED OR TRIPLE DEBT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.
SO RUBY.COM IS THOSE ARE THOSE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STUDENTS FROM THE ISD.
SO THEY WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY'RE COVERED.
I THINK THE IES DO COM REALLY STARTED SERVING THE COLLEGE POPULATION.
I'M JUST SAYING ALL THESE THINGS WE GOT GOING ON.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER SCHOOL CRAIGSLIST.
SOME PEOPLE MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD
WELL YOU CAN, BUT YOU HAVE TO.
AND THEN, UM, YOU HAVE SOMEONE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOUR NEIGHBOR MOVES OUT NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE FAMILIES LIVING IN THAT, IN THAT HOUSE.
AND SO ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS TO ME ARE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND IF WE START CHANGING RULES ABOUT NEW PEOPLE COMING IN AND HOW DO WE TREAT THE NEW PEOPLE? I'M SITTING THERE GOING, WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE LIVE HERE.
THE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY ARE HAVING A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES WITH THE KEGGER THAT HAPPENS NEXT DOOR THAT YOU GOTTA WAIT FOR THE POLICE TO CALL OR ALL THESE THINGS.
SO I THINK WHATEVER WE'RE DOING ON RULES, WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING NOT NECESSARILY SO MUCH ABOUT HOW DO WE TREAT THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE YET, BUT HOW DO WE TREAT THE PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE HERE THAT BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THEIR INVESTMENT OR LIVE IN AN APARTMENT OR A CONDO OR WHATEVER IT IS.
'CAUSE IT'S GETTING, IT'S GONNA GET OUTTA CONTROL SIGN TO GET BETTER.
IN MY MIND, IT REALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE MORE THAN SOME OF IT WON'T BE.
SOME OF IT'LL BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW OR THE PRIVILEGED AND THE UNDERPRIVILEGED ISSUE.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNER, THEN YOU HAVE INVESTOR WHO IS RENTING IT OUT.
THE RENTAL PEOPLE JUST LIKE TURN LIKE EVERY NINE MONTHS OR WHATEVER.
AND IT COULD BE LIKE A YOUNG FAMILY THAT WAS A QUIET PLACE OR IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, FRAT PARTY.
BUT EVERY NINE MONTHS IT MAY BE CHANGED OUT.
BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, LIKE AN INVESTOR THAT HAS THAT HOUSE AND THEY JUST CHOOSE TO RENT IT OUT TO WHOEVER WANTS TO COME LIVE IN IT.
SO YOU CAN'T SAY JUST, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IF YOU CAN BE HERE, YOU CAN'T BE HERE
WHY DON'T I DO THAT FOR A FEW YEARS? YEAH, YEAH.
MY DISABILITY HAS GONE DOWN AND I NEED SOMEONE TO MOVE IN.
I THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A BIGGER CONVERSATION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO BE RENTING TO A FAMILY IN A RENTAL AND YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU DOING, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST LITERALLY SAVED THE TAXPAYER MONEY AND AND SCRAPPED THE UDC BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING PEOPLE SAY IS, IS I OWN THE HOUSE.
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANNA DO IN THE HOUSE, EVEN IF IT AFFECTS ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND ME.
THE THE FOUR FAMILIES LIVING IN THERE CLOG UP THE STREET THAT EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT.
AND I'M LIKE, LOOK, IF YOU, IF THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IT OUGHT TO OPERATE AS A SINGLE FAMILY.
IT'S ONE THING SOMEONE'S 60 YEARS OLD.
BUT THAT'S UP TO THE HOA TO ENFORCE THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO, THEN YOU HAVE PRIVACY RIGHTS.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST, SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A LINE BETWEEN USING, USING YOUR PROPERTY AS YOU SEE FIT AND OPERATING A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE UNDER, AND IT'S DEFINING WHERE THAT LINE IS.
THERE IS A LINE AND YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHERE IT IS.
AND I WOULDN'T DEFINE IT ALL THE WAY ON, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND SHOW WHO YOU ARE TO TO TO GET PIECE OF THE HOUSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT PEOPLE RUNNING, YOU KNOW, RUNNING BUSINESSES OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL DAY LONG? NO, YOU DON'T.
AND THAT'S NOT FOR THE HO THAT'S NOT FOR THE CITY TO ENFORCE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BIGGER CONVERSATION WITH HOAS.
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HOAS.BUT YOU SAY THAT H HO A BUT EACH HOA HAS DIFFERENT RULES, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YOU CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE IN, IF YOU LIVE IN AN HOA THAT HAS CERTAIN RULES AND THEN THEY CAN ENFORCE 'EM THROUGH THEIR POLICY.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AN H OA WORKER.
SO IF THEY THEN FIND THAT PROPERTY BEING LISTED ON AN AIRBNB WEBSITE, YOU TURN THAT INTO A LAWYER, YOU GIVE 'EM THE CEASE AND DESIST AND IF THEY CONTINUE TO KEEP IT UP, THEN YOU GO TO COURT, JUDGE FINDS THE HOMEOWNER AND CAN FORCE THE FORECLOSURE OF THE HOME.
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT AIRBNB BEFORE THAT WAS EVEN A THING.
HOW DO THEY DO THAT? UPDATE IT.
BECAUSE TO UPDATE IT, YOU NEED LIKE 75% OF ALL PEOPLE TO SIGN.
IT SAYS IT IS DEFINED AS YOU CAN'T HAVE IT AS SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THAT DEPENDS ON IT WAS IT SAID NO, IT'S NO, IT'S NO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND IT DEFINED A SHORT TERM RENTAL, I THINK OF LESS THAN, UH, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO WHEN NIGHTLY AIRBNB DEFINITELY FALLS UNDER THE COVENANTS OF THE HOA, UH, TO ME, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE U THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE UDC SUVS.
BUT SOMETIMES STATE LAW PREVENTS THAT.
BUT A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT BUILT THEIR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE AN OA COVENANT.
BUT IF YOU RELY ON, IF YOU RELY ON HOAS TO BE THE GOVERNING BODY OF YOUR CITY, WHY ARE WE HERE? WHY, WHY ARE WE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ON THE UDC WHEN WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S UP TO NATURE, YOU CAN'T FEEL LIKE THE UDC SHOULD GUIDE WITH THE HOAS.
UM, KIND OF BUT VERY HIGH LEVEL HIGH THAT THEY COULD TAKE IT DOWN.
JUST LIKE AN HOA SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR GRASS MOW, YOU GET, RIGHT.
LIKE WE DON'T COME OUT AND SAY YOUR GRASS IS MORE THAN FOUR INCHES OR YOU LEAVE YOUR TRASH CAN OUT AND NOT HIDDEN BEHIND THAT.
WE COME AND FIND YOU AS A CITY, BUT A HOA SURE CAN.
DOES WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO THE CITY, THEY THEY ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
AND THEY ALSO DO THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT HOA, IF YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A FIRE POT SITTING ON YOUR PORCH.
NOT THE HO A THE CITY COMES BY AND SAYS THIS IS NOT A STORAGE AREA.
YOUR WHOLE QUALITY OF LIFE IN A CITY IS BASED ON THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WELL YOU HAVE TO HIRE UP DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT FOR PERSONAL CHOICES.
WE ARE SO FAR OFF THE, IT'S JUST HILARIOUS.
UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IS, IT'S NOT TO CONTROL WHETHER GRANDMA JONES LIVES IN HER HOUSE AND SHE WANTS TO RENT OUT HER SECOND, SECOND BEDROOM.
THE UDC TELLS YOU WHAT DEVELOPMENT CODE MUST CHANGE IT EXISTING WAS PULL THAT OUT.
IT'S A DEVELOPMENT CODE YOU GUYS GOTTA READ UP ALL DAY BECAUSE IT, IT DICTATES EVERYTHING YOU DO.
EVERYTHING YOU, EVERYTHING FROM THE SOUND THAT YOU PLAY YOUR MUSIC THAT IS IN A UDC CODE.
WELL, WE HAVE TO CHECK OUR STAFF.
WHY WOULDN'T IT BE IN, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE IN THE NORTH GUARD? IN THE NORTH WITNESS? NO, I MEAN I THOUGHT YOU HAD, UM, I THOUGHT THE UDC WAS WHERE WE, WHEN WE ADJUSTED THE, UH, PROPERTY UP HERE AT LIMMER AND ED SCHMIDT, THAT WAS BASED ON OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR SOUND AT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR SOMETHING.
BUT THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXISTING PROPERTY.
THE NOISE MOST THAT WAS A DEVELOPMENT PORTION WOULD BE OUTTA THE CITY.
BUT THE UDC IS PART OF THE CITY THAT WAS CHAPTER 16 IS, AND, AND THE UDC DOES HAVE ENFORCEMENT POWERS.
IF YOU'RE IN A ZONE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE ZONE, THEN YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO MUNICIPAL COURT.
BUT IF WE CHANGE SOMETHING FOR SAY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, IT DOESN'T IMPACT ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
USUALLY IT ONLY IMPACTS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THEIR STATE LAWS NOW THAT IF YOU CHANGE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND IT TAKES AWAY AN PROPERTY, ESSENTIALLY SOME PROPERTY RIGHTS OR SOMETHING AND WE HAVE TO NOTIFY EVERYBODY IN THAT DISTRICT AND THEN WE CAN ALSO GET OUR
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, OR IT SEEMS LIKE WE THINK COULD DO IT.
STATE LAW HAD PREED US ALREADY FROM BEING ABLE TO DO IT.
THAT IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT TRICKY ON THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP WITH THE UDC REWRITE OF CAN WE DO THIS? NO, YOU CAN'T.
OR I MEAN, WE'RE LEAVING IN SOME OF OUR DESIGN REQUESTS, BUT THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T BE ORDINANCE DRIVEN BECAUSE THAT WAS PREDICTED BY THE STATE.
YOU'RE SAYING WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO LOOK LIKE THIS.
UH, AND THERE'S OTHER WAYS YOU CAN GO ABOUT TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT CERTAINLY ON, AND WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT ON THE HOAS TO DO THAT THROUGH THEIR ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEES.
THE CITIZEN LED BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH GO BACK TO THE GOVERNANCE BY THE PEOPLE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDES THAT THAT PERMIT CAN BE DONE IF IT NEEDS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THE CITY AT THAT POINT.ANYTHING ELSE ON THE MULTIFAMILY THREE, TWO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO WORK SESSION TOPICS? SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THREE, TWO ALL ABOUT? I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T TAKE ACTION IN, IN, UH, WORK SESSIONS.
IT WAS TO BE ADDED TO ORIGINALLY TO THE, UH, IT, IT, IT'S USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A WORK SESSION, STAFF IS LOOKING AT COUNCIL AND THEY'RE, UH, RECORDING, YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH THIS.
WELL THE CONSENSUS WAS THIS IS KIND OF REPLACES THAT SO THE STAFF CAN GET CLEAR DIRECTION.
IF WE NEED TO SUM UP WHAT OUR DISCUSSION OR YEAH.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD AS THIS TIES INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE.
WE'RE GONNA BE SHARING THAT DISCUSSION.
THIS IS TO BE ADDED TO THE, UH, COUNCIL AGENDA.
'CAUSE WE WOULD COME OUT OF THESE MEETINGS, WE'D TALK AND THAT WAS IT.
WE'D GO TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'D TALK, WE GO NEXT MEETING TALK.
AND I TALKED TO JAMES ONE TIME AND I SAID, WE DON'T EVER ACTUALLY COME OUT HERE AND DIRECT ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES, BUT LIKE ONE OF 'EM WAS SIX MONTHS AGO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHERE WE AT, WELL WAIT FOR COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING.
AND SO THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO AT SOME POINT GO, OKAY, WE'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER ISSUE IS, LET'S, LET'S HAVE STAFF GO DO SOMETHING.
SO MY, MY BIG ONES WERE LOOKING AT COME BACK PROPOSAL OF PERCENTAGES BETWEEN ONE, ONE APARTMENT, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM AND PERCENTAGE AND WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND BASED ON STATE LAW AND YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES.
AND THEN, UM, THE ZONE REWRITE TO ALLOW THESE OPTIONAL, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, THINGS.
NOT JUST A GARDEN, UH, GARDEN STYLE.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE SECOND TYPE PUSH THAT AS PRIORITY OVER THE GARDEN.
AND THEN, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE THIRD WAS.
ONE OF THEM WAS TO, UM, LOOK IN AT ROUND ROCK GEORGETOWN AND SOME OF THEIR DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, I THINK THINKING ABOUT THAT, I THINK GEORGETOWN ALSO HAD A PERCENTAGE OF THE APARTMENTS THAT WERE AFFORDABLE VERSUS MARKET RATE.
SO WE ONLY HAVE TWO AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT NOW OR THAT WERE PART OF THAT PROGRAM THAT A RESOLUTION HAD TO BE DONE BY CITY COUNCIL.
THAT WHAT ABOUT LOOKING AT MULTI-FAMILY FOR, NOT SAYING INCENTIVIZING, BUT TRYING TO PUSH MORE FOR MULTI-FAMILY FOR OWNED RATHER THAN RENT.
WE, WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT IN RIGHT NOW.
THE CONDO WHERE YOU PURCHASE, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR HOME.
YOU PURCHASE IT, YOU INVEST, HAVE YOU SOME OF THE SMALLER UNITS, BUT I'M WHAT I'M USED TO.
FOURPLEXES CAN GO EITHER WAY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU DO GET MORE OF A CONDO OUTFIT AND YOU COULD HAVE RENTERS IN SOME BUILDINGS, CONDOS AND OTHERS.
OR IT COULD ALL BE CONDO OUT IN SOME PEOPLE RENT.
IT COULD BE A PERSON BUYS, THEY LIVE IN HALF AND THEY RENT THE OTHER HALF.
TWO PLUS PL MODEL BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD SOME ALONG FRONT STREET, UH, THAT AREA OVER THERE.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ONES THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAD A MM-HMM.
THOSE THE ONLY GOOD ONE I AWARE OF.
THEY, ARE THEY JUST ALL RENT OR ARE THEY I THINK THEY'RE ORIGINAL.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE RENT ORIGINALLY.
I THINK, YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE RENTED RENT.
IT WAS AN THEY WERE PURCHASED.
THE OWNERS STILL OWN THEM AND THEY STILL STILL RENTS THEM OUT.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS IMPACTS AND QUALITY, SOMETIMES THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RENTING THE WHOLE THING OUT VERSUS OWNER OCCUPIED BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE OWNER RIGHT THERE CARING ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
QUESTION ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, THIS MAY BE A DOTTED QUESTION.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS IT LIKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE HAS TO BE INCOME DRIVEN AND THE OTHERS CAN BE MARKET? AND THEN WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY TAX? DID THEY GET ABATEMENTS ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A 51 40 9%.
UM, I THINK IT'S A FEDERAL TAX CREDIT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE GIVE A TAX CREDIT ON LOCALLY, THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE AND, AND YOU GET, UM, POINTS AND WHATEVER YOU DO, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, UM, DOING PUBLIC HOUSING, THERE'S A FEDERAL LAW, THE 51 49.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND THAT DETERMINES HOW MANY OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AT MARKET RATE FOR THOSE THAT ARE AT THE POVERTY LEVEL.
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THEY DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES.THEY TYPICALLY DO IN AN AGREEMENT TO PAY TAXES.
AND LIV, IT'S CALLED A, A PILOT PAYMENT PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES.
SO THEY HAD TO COME IN AND GET PERMISSION FROM THE GOVERNING BODY TO ESTABLISH THE, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A MISNOMER.
WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS, UH, IT IS, UH, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IS BASICALLY WHAT IT'S MM-HMM.
AND THEY'RE GETTING THE TAX CREDIT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THEIR INCOME SIDE AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAX TO THE JURISDICTIONS.
SO THEY TYPICALLY WILL DO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO GET SUPPORT AND THEY'LL MAKE SOME SORT OF A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF HAVING TO PAY TAXES.
UM, I, I, I'VE DONE I THINK MAYBE THREE OR FOUR, AND I THINK THREE OF THE FOUR WERE ALL ONE WAY.
AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE WAS LIKE ALMOST 80% OF THE UNITS WERE INCOME, INCOME DREAMING.
AND THAT ONE WAS LIKE A HIGHER TIER OF THE FEDERAL REBATE.
AND WHAT DOES THEY, I KNOW THE FED IS LOOKING DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW, UH, CONGRESS SHAKES OUT THE NEXT ELECTION, BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT FORCING TO ZONING DOWN AT THE CITY LEVEL THAT THE FED SAYS WHAT IT IS.
SO I WOULD SAY WE TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT.
SO WE SEE IF THAT'S GONNA BE FORCED UPON US.
I MEAN, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO IF WE'VE ACCEPTED OR MADE ANY KIND OF AGREEMENTS ON THAT.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE BECAUSE TWO, OH, THIS IS BRAND NEW, RIGHT? HE HAD TWO.
SO, BUT THE TWO WE I HAVING ARE THE ONES THAT JAMES IS TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES LOCALLY? UM, NO, NO.
LIKE VER RICH PAYS PROPERTY TAXES, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE DIDN'T MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ON PROPERTY TAXES.
SO IF NO, IT WAS JUST THE LETTER OF, UH, SUPPORT FOR THEIR CHAPTER, WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO WE'RE, I THINK, LEAVE OURS FOR THAT LOWEST LEVEL.
IF YOU GET TO THE LOW, LOW LEVEL, THEN YOU DON'T DO ANY OF THAT STUFF.
IT'S UM, I BELIEVE SIMILAR TO THE ONLY SENIOR FACILITY THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN OF FALLS.
BECAUSE I'VE ASSURED PEOPLE THAT IT'S NOT SECTION EIGHT, IT'S A DIFFERENT SECTION, BUT IT'S, IT'S TO HELP WHITE TEACHERS.
IT'S TO HELP LIKE POLICE OFFICERS.
YOU GOTTA MAKE LIKE WHATEVER WAS 60,000 OR SOMETHING TO GET TO BE ELIGIBLE.
IT'S ONLY, I DON'T THINK SECTION EIGHT EXISTS ANYMORE LOT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA EXIST FOREVER.
BUT I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY WELL THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HOUSING VOUCHER SYSTEM.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THESE UNITS DO.
THESE UNITS COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO, YOU, YOU, THE MARKET RATE IS THIS, THESE UNITS ARE LIKE 80% OF THE MARKET RATE.
AND IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THAT, YOU HAVE TO EARN NO MORE THAN YEAH.
AND IT'S USUALLY TIED TO WHATEVER THE POVERTY LINE IS, SOME MULTIPLE ABOVE OR BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S USUALLY HOW THEY WORK.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS.
BUT IS THERE, I JUST WANTED TO TAG ON THAT TOO, JUST TO, FOR COUNCIL'S AWARENESS.
THE SUPERINTENDENT SHARED A FACT, AND I DON'T APPROACH HIM FOR THIS BECAUSE HE WAS AT THE MEETING, BUT AT PRESENT, ABOUT 50% OF OUR ISD STUDENTS ARE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.
THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO 60%.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GAINING MORE STUDENTS, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO DROP LOWER AND LOWER ON THE POVERTY SCALE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, THE NEED FOR
I GREW UP IN INCOME-BASED HOUSING EVERY YEAR OF MY LIFE, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW.
'CAUSE IT'S, I'M FEELING THE PRIVILEGE AND UNPRIVILEGED IN THIS CONVERSATION AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO SWALLOW.
AND WITH THE VOUCHERS, A LOT OF MY FOSTER CARE KIDS WHO ARE NOW PARENTS ARE LIVING ON VOUCHERS.
SO PLEASE WATCH THE SECTION EIGHT.
IS IS THERE A POPULATION LEVEL WITH THE FEDERAL STANDARDS? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A POPULATION LEVEL THAT WHEN YOU REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL, THEN REQUIREMENTS KICK IN THAT YOU NEED TO START MEETING CERTAIN LEVELS OF HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
WHAT, WHAT'S, SO WHEN YOU REACH 50,000 IN POPULATION, YOU BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR CDBG, BUT THEN YOU ALSO BE, ISN'T THERE A LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE TO MEET STANDARDS OR YOU CAN I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
AND AND THE THING ABOUT VOUCHERS IS THOSE CAN BE USED ANYWHERE.
OH NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT VOUCHERS.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS ONLY TWO VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE NEED.
AND WHERE IS THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HIT A POPULATION LEVEL AND THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT, OTHERWISE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BELOW STANDARD.
WELL, THERE IS A CERTAIN LIMIT WHERE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN SIZE AND YOU EFFECTIVELY CREATE A HOUSING AUTHORITY.
AND THEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, WELL OPERATING THAT, THAT'S WELL BEYOND 50,000.
RIGHT? THAT'S BEYOND 50 50 IS WHEN YOU BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR
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THE BLOCK GRANTS.AND THAT'S WHEN YOU TYPICALLY START TO SEE SOME OF THE MORE EMPHASIS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS BEING DONE.
THAT TOTAL POPULATION OR LIKE VOTING AGE POPULATION, POPULATION IN YOUR CITY LIMITS SPOT IN THE CENSUS.
SO WE'VE PROBABLY GOT AT LEAST 20, 30.
WELL, IT DEPENDS ON IF IT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEFINING THE POPULATION OR US, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL TYPICALLY
AND TO CHINESE'S POINT, A LOT OF THOSE BABIES ARE THOSE DOUBLED UP AND TRIPLED UP LIVING IN HOUSES WITH OTHER FAMILIES.
IS THERE SUCH THING AS LIKE, LIKE, LIKE I FEEL LIKE I'VE SEEN IT MAYBE IN AUSTIN, NORTH AUSTIN, JUST LIKE THIS MASSIVE HOUSE, BUT IT'S FOR MULTIPLE FAMILIES TO LIKE LIVE IN LIKE LITTLE VILLAGE.
YEAH, YOU DO HAVE, THERE ARE SO LIKE, SO MAYBE GOING BACK TO LIKE THEIR CULTURES WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH EACH OTHER.
YOU GOT THE GRANDMA, THE GRANDPA, RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU GOT THE MOM, THE DAD AND THE KIDS.
AND YOU MAY HAVE THE SISTER DEFINITELY WHO'S WENT OUT OR SOMETHING.
I KNOW SOME OF THE BIGGER HOME BUILDERS ARE ACTUALLY BUILDING THAT INTO THEIR MODELS ALREADY.
UM, AND THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH WHERE STATE LAW WAS COMING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE BILLS THAT PASSED ONE AREA BUT DIDN'T GET FULLY PASSED.
IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA HAPPEN WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO ADU BY RIGHT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT.
HOW DO WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT? SOME OF IT MIGHT PREEMPT, IT MAY WASH OUT TO WHERE IT'S JUST GONNA BE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE STANDARDS.
UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GET PREPARED FOR.
NOT JUST IN THE MULTI-FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT WHAT THAT AFFORDABILITY, IF IT'S COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE, WHAT DOES AFFORDABILITY LOOK LIKE AND HOW COULD WE MAYBE HELP GET THERE SO THAT MAYBE IT'S ALREADY PREPARED FOR THAT, BUT LIKE YOU CAN STILL KIND OF LIKE KEEP THE FAMILY TOGETHER AND, BUT THEY CAN STILL HAVE SPACE WITHOUT HAVING THIS GARDEN APARTMENT.
WELL, WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR DEMOGRAPHIC IS GONNA CHANGE TOO.
I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THE NUMBER FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT.
THE THING IS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALSO ACCOUNTING IS WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT SAMSUNG IS GOING TO BRING, WHICH IS THE INDIAN AND ASIAN CULTURE IN THAT CULTURE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'LL BE EVEN MORE MULTI-GENERATIONAL.
BUT IT'S, IT IS, BUT EVEN ON THAT BEFORE IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH A LOT OF MY, UH, SOME OF MY INDIAN, UH, COLLEAGUES, LIKE UNTIL THEY GET THEIR ARRANGED MARRIAGE, THEY, THE MEN THAT ARE WORKING, THEY ALL LIVE IN ONE HOUSE AND THEY HAVE THE ROOMIES THING AND IT'S YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE THERE FOR THAT.
UM, SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GONNA BE BOTH.
YOU KEEP RAISING TAXES ON PEOPLE.
IT'S GOING TO, EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, BUT WHEN WE'RE THE ONES RAISING TAXES, WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT'S THE BIGGEST CAUSE OF UNAFFORDABILITY.
SO WE CAN RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES AND THEN GO OUT AND CREATE OTHER ISSUES AND WE RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S SELF PERPETUATING THING.
WE, WE HAVE TO PACK IT FROM MULTIPLE SIDES, THEN YOUR ROADS FALL APART AND NO ONE LIVES HERE.
YOU HAVE NO PART TALKING ABOUT
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