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[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
ALL THE WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, APRIL 4TH, 2024.COUNCILMAN THOMPSON THAT ALREADY, BECAUSE WE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON HERE.
[3.1. Presentation on Athletic Fields Study (Jeff White) ]
OUT IN BUSINESS IS PRESENTATION ON ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY.GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS REC.
AND I HAVE ZACH AND WILLIAM HERE FROM MHSI LEAD TO PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US TODAY.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF MHS PLANNING AND DESIGN, UH, HERE WITH ZACH.
UM, HUNTER RUSH, WHO'S ALSO BEEN WORKING ON US OR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH US, IS NOT ABLE TO JOIN AN ID OF ANOTHER COMMITMENT.
UM, SO EXCITED TO TO ROLL OUT KIND OF THIS ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE FOUND THROUGH, UM, KIND OF DIVING IN ON ALL THIS.
UM, SO QUICK AGENDA, UH, I KNOW EVERYBODY CAN READ SO Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN CHECK THESE THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA GO PRETTY QUICKLY FOR THROUGH THE FIRST FOUR AND REALLY GET DOWN TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A OPEN CONVERSATION AS WE GO.
IF YOU GUYS SEE SOMETHING OR HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU THINK OF, MAN, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT US.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU GUYS EDUCATE YOU GUYS ON WHAT, WHAT ALL'S HAPPENED THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, REALLY WANT TO GET DOWN TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND KIND OF REVIEW THAT AND, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT COVERS.
UM, SO FIRST PART, THERE'S A LITTLE LAG IT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, THE PURPOSE, UH, I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU GUYS HUTTO, IS, BOOM, IT'S GROWING SO FAST.
UM, AND AS WE STARTED DOWN THIS TRAIN, WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE TODAY? UH, WHAT DO WE NEED TODAY? AND REALLY WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE IN SAYING, OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT PROJECTED GROWTH LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DOES IT NEED TO LOOK LIKE IN, IN ROUGHLY 10 YEARS? UM, SO WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THAT AND, AND JUST TRY TRYING TO TALK THROUGH WHAT ARE THOSE NEEDS.
UM, WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO ZACH, UM, WHO'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, WILLIAMS. UH, I'LL, I'LL STAY SEATED JUST SO I'M NOT WALK IN THAT SCREEN.
UM, SO ALSO ANOTHER THING WITH THIS PLAN OR THIS STUDY IS IT IS A TOOL TO HELP WITH THE PLANNING AND THE BUDGETING OF EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS CREATING AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE OF, UH, THE VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED OR TO BE DONE, UH, WHICH HAS THE FISCAL YEARS WHEN WE THINK THIS SHOULD UH, OCCUR IS ALONG WITH WHAT KIND OF COSTS WE BELIEVE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS JUST A TOOL THAT CAN HELP EFFICIENTLY PLAN AND BUDGET, UH, FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY, UH, SO HOW WE STARTED THE INVENTORY OF EVERYTHING.
WE DID A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PARK FACILITIES IN HUDDLE, AND WE LOOKED AT WHICH ONES OFFER ATHLETIC FACILITIES.
SO THE ONES WE ENDED UP, UH, ASSESSING MORE IN DEPTH WAS FRITZ PARK RIVER, ROCK PARK, AND CREEKSIDE PARK.
UH, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE GIS MAPS TO KIND OF MAP OUT THE LOCATIONS OF WHERE THE PARKS PARK, UH, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF EVERYTHING.
WE THEN DID, WE CONDUCTED ONSITE INSPECTION, SO WE WENT OUT TO THE ACTUAL PARKS THEMSELVES AND WE, UH, ASSESSED THE CONDITIONS OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE, UM, THE PARKS THEMSELVES ALSO.
AND THEN WE ALSO CONDUCTED MORE OF DESKTOP REVIEWS.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT GO INTO THE ACTUAL PARKS THEMSELVES, SO THINGS LIKE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS, WHAT THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS LOOK LIKE, UH, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTIES THEMSELVES.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE STARTED, WELL, HOW WE STARTED THIS OFF WAS WE WANTED TO MEET WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS WHO EITHER UTILIZE THE PARK FACILITIES, MAYBE PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE, UTILIZE PARK FACILITIES, BUT OFFER SIMILAR, UH, PROGRAMMING OR PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST IMPACTED BY PARKS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT PARKS IMPACTS SO MANY ASPECTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT PURELY JUST FOR RECREATION, BUT THERE'S, UH, ECONOMIC BENEFIT STAFFING PARKS, THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT STAFFING PARKS.
SO WE REALLY WANTED TO GET JUST AN OVERALL, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE COMMUNITY WAS UTILIZING THE PARK AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO USE THESE PARKS FOR ATHLETIC NEEDS.
SO THE STAKEHOLDERS WE MET WITH WERE THE HU INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE HU YOUTH BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL ASSOCIATION, STING SOCCER, THE HURO, EDC AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE HU FAMILY, YMCA.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MEET WITH A BUNCH OF, UH, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARK USERS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THE PARKS TO SEE, UH, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.
UM, AND THEN WHAT, WHAT WE LIKE DOING WHEN LOOKING AT COMMUNITIES IS GOING IN, KIND OF COMPARING HOW THEY DO TO OTHER, HOW THEY LOOK COMPARED TO OTHER COMMUN AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE USED THE NRPA STANDARDS
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OR THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARKS ASSOCIATION.THEY, THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THESE STANDARDS THAT KIND OF KNOW HOW MANY FACILITIES ARE TYPICALLY SEEN GIVEN A
SO, UM, BASEBALL FIELDS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, WE USE NPA STANDARDS.
AND, UM, NOTICE THAT THERE'S TYPICALLY ONE BASEBALL FAC, ONE BASEBALL FIELD FOR EVERY 5,000 RESIDENTS.
SO GOING BASED OFF OF THE 2023 ESTIMATED POPULATION FROM BUILDING PERMITS OF ABOUT 46,000, YOU COULD EXPECT TO SEE, UH, ALMOST 10 BASEBALL FIELDS IN A COMMUNITY THE SIZE OF HATO.
SO, UM, THIS IS NOT HOW WE WENT IN DEVELOPED OUR ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE LIKE DOING THIS JUST AS A BASELINE COMPARISON TO SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS DOING IN COMPARISON TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT EACH COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
SO, UM, WE, WE JUST LIKE DOING THIS FOR A BASELINE COMPARISON.
AND THEN AFTER MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS, SO FOR THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL ORGANIZATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, UM, DISCUSS A LOT WAS THE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FACILITIES.
UM, THEY NOTED THAT THE EXISTING FACILITIES KIND OF LIMITS THEIR GROWTH.
THEY THINK THEY, THEY NOTICED THAT IT IS BEEN GROWING, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
HOWEVER, UH, JUST BECAUSE FIELDS HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS OF OPERATION THAT CAN BE USED, UM, THERE WAS A NEED TO DECIDE TO EXPAND THE ACTUAL BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FACILITIES.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD THE SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS COMPLETE A SURVEY WHERE WE ASKED 'EM QUESTIONS ON THINGS LIKE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS IN THEIR ORGANIZATION, UH, A NUMBER OF TEAMS IN THE ORGANIZATION, WHAT AGE GROUPS THERE ARE, WHAT SIZE FIELDS, THE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS UTILIZE, UM, WHEN THEY PLAY, WHEN THEY PRACTICE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE GOT A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS UTILIZE THE FIELDS.
AND FROM THIS INFORMATION, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, APPLY KIND OF THE CITY'S POPULATION GROWTH WITH THIS NUMBER.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE, UM, HOW, HOW THE TEAMS OR HOW THE ORGANIZATIONS LOOK BACK IN THE FUTURE.
SO FROM 2023, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A DEFICIT OF ABOUT ONE BASEBALL FIELD.
AND THIS WASN'T REALLY SURPRISING FOR US TO HEAR BECAUSE WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THE BASEBALL ORGANIZATION, WE HAD NOTICED THAT, UH, THEY CAN FREQUENTLY UTILIZE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS FOR THEIR BASEBALL GAMES.
SO THERE WAS, IT, IT WASN'T SHOCKING TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS A DEFICIT BASEBALL FIELD BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THEN WHEN LOOKING AT IT IN THE HUDDLE IN FIVE YEARS, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DEFICIT OF ABOUT FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS AND ONE SOFTBALL FIELD, UM, TO EFFICIENTLY SERVE ALL THE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL RECREATIONS.
UM, AND THEN FOR SOCCER, FOOTBALL AND CHEER, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN WE MET WITH SOCCER ORGANIZATION, UM, THEIR PRIMARY NEEDS, IT WASN'T REALLY ON ADDITIONAL SPACE JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE, UH, PARK IS SET UP, IT'S ABOUT SIX AND A HALF ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.
SO WITH, UH, PORTABLE GO POSTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SOCCER ORGANIZATION IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE THE ARRANGEMENT OF HOW THEY UTILIZE THE SOCCER FIELDS.
SO IT WASN'T REALLY ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WAS NECESSARY, IT WAS MORE SO IMPROVING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF IT.
SO, UM, THINGS LIKE IMPROVING THE GRADING OF LOW LYING AREAS, SO TO BETTER ALLOW FOR THE DRAINAGE, WATER DRAINAGE, OR, UM, THAT ALSO IMPACTS THE SAFETY OF THE FIELDS.
SO UNEVEN TERRAIN CAN, UH, CAN LEAD TO MORE SUSCEPTIBLE, UH, MORE SUSCEPTIBILITY OF PEOPLE TRIPPING AND INJURING THEMSELVES.
SO THERE'S, UM, MULTIPLE ASPECTS WITH THE GRADING OF THAT.
UM, IMPROVED LIGHTING WITH IMPROVED LIGHTING, UH, CAN INCREASE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH CAN ALSO HELP, UM, ALLOW MORE PARTICIPANTS TO PLAY OR PRACTICE SOCCER.
AND THEN, UM, THE SOCCER ORGANIZATION ALSO UTILIZES A TEMPORARY RESTROOM.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS NOTED WAS A NEED TO HAVE A MORE PERMANENT STRUCTURE THAT COULD SERVE, UH, THE ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN WITH FOOTBALL CHEER, WE REACHED OUT TO THE FOOTBALL CHEERER ORGANIZATION, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
'EM, SO THE NEEDS THAT WE, UH, IDENTIFIED CAME FROM LIKE CITY STAFF INPUT ALONG WITH OUR ONSITE INSPECTIONS.
AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY RENTS OUT THE FOOTBALL FACILITY, UM, FOR PRIVATE USE.
SO, UM, SO SINCE THEY RENTED OUT, THEY NOTED THAT THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE DEMAND FOR THAT.
SO WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY A NEED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FACILITIES FOR THERE.
AND THEN FROM OUR ONSITE INSPECTIONS, THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PARK APPEARED TO BE IN GOOD CONDITIONS, SO WE DIDN'T NOTICE A NEED TO IMPROVE FOOTBALLERS HERE, UM, CONDITIONS AND THEN FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DETERMINING WAS THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO DEVELOP A SPORTS COMPLEX.
UH, THIS SPORTS COMPLEX WOULD, UH, CONSIST OF A SIXPLEX, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR BASEBALL FIELDS AND TWO SOFTBALL FIELDS, UH, ALONG WITH SUPPORTING AMENITIES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
SO, UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ROUTINELY HEARING FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS WAS THE NEED TO CREATE SPACE WITH ALL USERS IN MIND.
UM, SO WHILE THIS IS FOCUSED MORE ON
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ATHLETIC NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S SO MANY USERS AT, UH, AT PARKS.THERE'S, THERE'S PARENTS WITH OTHERS SIBLINGS, THERE'S GRANDPARENTS THERE.
SO, UH, JUST A ROUTINE THING THAT WE WERE HEARING WAS THE NEED TO MAKE PARKS ACCESSIBLE AND USABLE BY ALL USERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE SUPPORTING MINIS LIKE TRAILS, UM, SITE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT AND, UM, PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT CAME FROM.
AND THEN WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GROW.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GROWING THE SYSTEM, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE STILL EFFICIENTLY MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM, SO YOU DON'T WANNA BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN NOT EXPAND YOUR MAINTENANCE OF IT, IN CASE THAT WOULD GO TO LOWERING YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE OVERALL, YOU'RE STRETCHING YOUR RESOURCES.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS, UH, A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT STAFFING TO SUPPORT THIS KIND OF, UM, FACILITY.
AND WE'LL GET INTO THE COST AND, UM, SCHEDULE OF EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, I'LL HAVE THAT COMING UP TOO.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT WHERE A FACILITY LIKE A SPORTS COMPLEX COULD GO, AND WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
THE ONE THAT WE ENDED UP FIGURING, DETERMINING WAS THE MOST OPTIMAL WAS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY EAST OF FRITZ PARK.
SO THIS IS ABOUT A 72 ACRE SITE.
IT IS OWNED BY THE HU EDC, SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME, UH, COOPERATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE EDC, WHETHER THE CITY PURCHASES THE LAND, IF IT'S LEASED OUT SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO SHARE OR PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS, WE DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS THE MOST OPTIMAL LOCATION FOR A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS.
ONE, IT IS CENTRAL AND HUDDLE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT PARKS BRINGING USERS FROM ALL OVER.
SO, UH, HAVING A SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, LIKE THIS WILL BRING IN MULTIPLE USERS, AND THEN THOSE USERS WILL BE ENCOURAGED TO SHOP AND DINE LOCALLY.
UM, AND WITH TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, PEOPLE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE FACILITIES, WHICH CAN HELP, UM, WHICH CAN HELP WITH THE ECONOMY.
UM, SO THERE'S POSITIVE E ECONOMIC, UH, IMPACTS OF THAT.
LIKE I SAID, IT CAN IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY.
SO THE, THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY EAST OF FRITZ PARK AND, UM, THERE'S TRAILS AND EVERYTHING IN PRINCE PARK.
SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THAT TRAIL SYSTEM TO CONNECT FRITZ PARK TO THIS SITE, UM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN I DID WANT TO ALSO NOTE THAT THERE IS FLOODPLAIN LOCATED ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE HERE, SO WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FACILITIES IN FRITZ PARK ARE PRIMARILY IN THE 100 OR 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN TO BEGIN WITH.
AND, UM, PARK SPACE WE TYPICALLY END UP SEEING PARK SPACES IS USUALLY WHAT THE FLOODPLAIN LAND IS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS DEVELOPABLE FOR A LOT OF DEVELOPERS.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BAD THING THAT THIS IS FLOODPLAIN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO NOTE, UM, THAT THERE IS ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THEN FOR THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, SO FOR RIVERWALK PARK, WE RECOMMENDED, UH, REGRADING THE LOW LYING AREAS.
WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING GOING IN THERE AND COMPLETE COMPLETELY REGRADING EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST THE LOW LYING AREAS THAT CAN HELP IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE AND, UH, KIND OF THE SAFETY OF THE FACILITIES, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL GOALPOSTS AND PLAYER SEATING, WHICH CAN ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY IN HOW THE FIELDS ARE ARRANGED TO SERVE THAT SOFTWARE ORGANIZATION, IMPROVE THE LIGHTING, AND THEN ALSO CONSTRUCTING THE SUPPORTING AMENITIES SUCH AS RESTROOMS, CONCESSIONS, UM, EXPANDING THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
UH, AND THEN FOR FRITZ PARK, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS PUT IN REALLY A GREAT INVESTMENT INTO FRITZ PARK, AND WE THINK THAT THE FACILITIES ARE, THEY'RE EXCEPTIONAL.
WE REALLY, WE REALLY LIKE THEM.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX IS NOT INTENDED TO DETRACT FROM THAT AT ALL.
WE THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX WILL HELP SUPPLEMENT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITY SPACE, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT FRITZ PARK TO STILL BE USED, THE FIELD AT MAKER FIELD AND
SO I HOPE, I HOPE THAT'S NOT COMING ACROSS DIFFERENTLY.
UM, WE WANT THEM TO STILL BE USED, UH, TOGETHER, AND WE THINK THAT THIS JUST PROVIDES ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE GAMES AND PRACTICES HERE.
UH, IT COULD BE USED FOR RENTAL FACILITIES AND OVERFLOW TOURNAMENTS WITH, UM, THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
AND THEN ALSO JUST IMPROVING THE FIELD LIGHTING HERE TO, UH, IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE ACTUAL FACILITIES THEMSELVES.
SO AS FAR AS THE STUDY GOES, WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE PRACTICE FACILITIES AT CREEKSIDE PARK.
UM, AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SPORTS COMPLEX, IT KIND OF REDUCES THE DEMAND FOR THOSE FACILITIES TO STILL, TO STILL BE THERE.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS KIND OF DETERMINING HOW TO REPURPOSE THIS SPACE.
UM, AND WE LEFT THIS ONE PRETTY GENERIC RIGHT NOW, IT'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW AND UNIQUE RECREATION, JUST BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CONDUCTING YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT GETS DETERMINED FROM THAT AS A NEED, UM, AND THIS SITE COULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR IT, WE THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, NEW RECREATION TO BE INCORPORATED HERE.
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PARK IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WE NOTICED WITH, UM, ANY KIND OF ATHLETIC FACILITIES WAS THE NEED TO JUST ENCOMPASS THE AREA FOR ALL PARK USERS, UM, NOT JUST FOR THE PLAYERS, BUT FOR THEIR FAMILIES, FOR THEIR GRANDPARENTS, FOR THEIR FRIENDS, UM, STUFF LIKE THAT.SO WE REALLY WANTED TO NOTE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS LIKE PLAYGROUNDS, UH, PAVILIONS, MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS, JUST STUFF THAT WILL GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED AT THE PARK, UM, AND CAN ALLOW THE PARKS TO SERVE MULTIPLE USERS.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE GOES, SO I NOTED EARLIER THAT THIS IS REALLY A TOOL TO HELP PLAN AND BUDGET FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING A SCHEDULE, UH, WITH DIFFERENT TASKS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PROJECT, ALONG WITH THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN, AND THEN THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THOSE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, WITH THE SPORTS COMPLEX, WE, WE NOTED THINGS LIKE NEED THE NEED TO ACQUIRE LAND, THAT'S ONE OF 'EM.
UM, HIRING A FIRM TO GO IN AND DESIGN ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS, AND THEN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED WAS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SPORTS COMPLEX IN THE NEAR FUTURE, MEANING 2024 TO 2026, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOTING IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY ESPECIALLY IS PRICING IS ONLY GOING UP.
SO IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO START A PROJECT LIKE THIS AS SOON AS YOU CAN, JUST SO YOU'RE NOT WAITING FOR COSTS TO CONTINUE TO GO UP, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE PURCHASING LAND, THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO INCREASE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, AND I, THERE IS THE DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, BASEBALL SPACE.
ALSO, AS WE NOTED, THERE WAS A DEFICIT OF ONE BASEBALL FIELD LAST YEAR.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE REASONS ON WHY THIS LANDED AS THE MOST NEAR PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN ON MY NEXT SLIDE, I'LL DIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE COST OF ALL OF THAT.
BUT THEN FOR FRITZ PARK, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT TO BE DONE IN 2024 THROUGH 2026 TO KIND OF WORK WITH THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
UM, AND THEN, SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS KIND OF, KIND OF ITEMIZE OUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, OF A SPORTS COMPLEX ESSENTIALLY.
SO WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO CONSTRUCT ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UH, AMENITIES ESSENTIALLY.
AND WHAT WE NOTED WAS IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT 60 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TODAY TO GO OUT AND CONSTRUCT A FACILITY LIKE THIS.
UM, AND WE, AS I NOTED EARLIER, CONSTRUCTION PRICES ARE ONLY GOING UP.
SO WE WANTED TO, UH, KIND OF PROJECT OUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW TO SEE IF THE CITY DELAYS CONSTRUCTION OF SOMETHING ONE YEAR, WHAT THAT PRICE LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE WENT THROUGH 2029, AND WHAT WE NOTED WAS PRICING GENERALLY INCREASES ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS EACH YEAR THAT YOU'RE, UH, WAITING TO CONSTRUCT THIS.
SO IN 2025, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 16 POINT A HALF MILLION.
AND THEN IN 2029, IT IS ALMOST $20.5 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT A SPORTS COMPLEX LIKE THIS.
AND I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, A LOT OF THIS IS INCLUDES ALLOWANCES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX, SO A LOT OF STUFF WE HAD TO JUST GIVE AN ALLOWANCE FOR HOW MUCH IT MAY BE.
BUT THINGS LIKE A PLAYGROUND, WE ALLOTTED ABOUT $500,000 FOR A PLAYGROUND.
BUT YOU COULD BUILD A PLAYGROUND FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU COULD BUILD A PLAYGROUND FOR 1.5 MILLION.
SO I WANNA NOTE THAT WHILE THIS IS ACCURATE, THERE ARE A LOT OF ALLOWANCES AND THIS, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE FACILITY YET.
AND ZACH, THAT GOES BACK TO KIND OF THAT, THAT MASTER PLAN, ONCE THE SITE IS TRULY SELECTED, GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE SITE AND PLACING THOSE FIELDS IN THERE AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT, THAT ACTUAL COST WILL BE.
AND THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT FINISH OUTS OF, HEY, DO WE WANT, HOW TALL DO WE WANT THE BACKSTOPS? DO WE WANT CHAIN LINK? DO WE WANT IT NET? DO WE WANT TURF ANYWHERE? DO WE WANT IT ALL NATURAL GRASS AND INFIELD? SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME IN FROM HERE, BUT THIS GETS YOU INTO A, A RANGE OF LIKE, IT, IT CAN BE DONE FOR THIS.
CAN IT BE DONE FOR MORE THAN THIS? ABSOLUTELY.
CAN IT BE DONE FOR LESS THAN THIS? YEAH, PROBABLY DEPENDING UPON WHAT THAT, UH, LEVEL OF QUALITY YOU WANT OUT OF ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN FOR RIVER ROCK PARK, WE NOTED, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, CONSTRUC OR THE CONS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, SORRY.
AND THEN THE ACTUAL AMENITIES WITH THAT.
SO ROUGHLY RIVER ROCK PARK, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 1.6, $1.7 MILLION OF, UH, OF FUNDING.
AND THEN FOR CREEKSIDE PARK, THIS ONE, UH, IS A LOT MORE ALLOWANCES JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO REPURPOSE THIS SPACE.
SO, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FINDINGS ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, THIS ONE MAY VARY, UM, DEPENDING ON THAT.
UH, AND THEN I DID ALSO JUST WANNA NOTE THAT WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE PARKS BOARD LAST MONTH.
SO, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO WE PRESENTED THIS TO THEM AND ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS
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ON THE FISCAL YEARS ON WHEN TO GO ABOUT DOING THESE PROJECTS.SO WE INCLUDED THEIR ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS.
AND, UH, ROUGHLY WHAT THEIR CONCERN WAS WAS THAT WE MAY BE GOING INTO THIS JUST A LITTLE, I DON'T WANNA SAY TOO AGGRESSIVE, BUT WE'RE, WE THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO START DOING THIS STUFF NOW, JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT CONSTRUCTION DRIVES AND LANDS IS GOING UP, SO WE WANNA START, WE RECOMMEND DOING STUFF, UM, QUICKER THAN WAITING ON IT.
WHEREAS THEY WERE MORE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF MAYBE STARTING STUFF NEXT FISCAL YEAR ON, ON ALL THAT.
SO IT KIND OF PUSHED STUFF BACK ABOUT A YEAR.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
AND THEN I DID JUST WANNA KNOW, SO IN OUR ACTUAL PLAN, WE, WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UM, THESE PROJECTS, SO WE WANTED TO ALSO JUST NOTE VARIOUS FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD BE USED TO FUND STUFF LIKE THIS.
UH, THERE ARE PLENTY OF GRANTS OUT THERE THAT COULD HELP, UH, FUND SOME OF THIS STUFF.
SO ONE IN PARTICULAR IS THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE A LOCAL PARKS NON-URBAN OUTDOOR RECREATION GRANT.
SO YOU COULD APPLY FOR THAT AND GET SOME GRANT FUNDING.
UM, THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES TO USE GENERAL FUNDS OR, UM, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS RECENTLY HAD A BOND GO OUT.
UH, UH, YOU GUYS HAD A BOND APPROVED THAT, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL SPACE AND ATHLETIC FIELDS WAS A COMPONENT OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR USER FEES.
SO WITH A SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, IF YOU'RE RENTING OUT THE FACILITIES FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THERE'S POSSIBILITY TO USE THAT REVENUE FOR SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THIS ONE KIND OF QUICK, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD TIME TO DISCUSS
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET ME OR WILLIAM, YOU KNOW.
AND I'LL SAY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY
[3.2. Discussion and possible action related to Work Session topics ]
A WORKSHOP.WE WANT TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS, FEELINGS, QUESTIONS ON, ON THE PROCESS, HOW WE LAND IN PLACES OUTBOUND.
THAT WAY IF, IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND, AND ADJUST SOMETHING OR, OR DIVE IN AND, AND TRY AND EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO REALLY YOUR INPUT IS, IS REQUESTED.
FOR THE WORKSHOP AND FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME KIND OF INTEREST GROUPS, WE'RE, WE'RE GRATEFUL Y'ALL ARE HERE.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE CAPTURING Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS, UM, TOWARDS THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS FOR, FOR A, A LOT OF THE KIDS, RIGHT? UM, I'VE GOT FIVE KIDS, MYSELF AND ZACH WAS, ZACH WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE SOCCER FIELDS AND HAVING THE PORTA BODIES.
MY WE'RE POTTY TRAINING OUR TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD TWINS.
AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT HAVING THEM OUT THERE, UH, WITH A, A PORTABLE TRYING, MY WIFE TRYING TO MANAGE THEM OR OUR DAUGHTERS AT PRACTICE.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, WHAT, UH, THIS, THIS, THE STRUGGLE'S REAL.
SO YEAH, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW OFTEN YOU TRY TO CONTACT SOMEBODY FROM THE FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION, BUT THAT'S A HUGE MISS.
AND IF ONE PERSON DIDN'T RESPOND TO THEIR EMAIL AND THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THE STUDY, THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON US.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE FACT THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, I THINK IS, IS MAKES THIS INCOMPLETE.
UM, THEN ON THE BASEBALL SOFTBALL PART OF IT, I'M NOT SURE THOSE FIELD DIMENSIONS ARE RIGHT.
AND IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET A FIELD.
UM, THERE'S NO PONY REGULATION FIELDS THAT ARE 85 FOOT FIELDS OR EVEN A HUNDRED FOOT FIELDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE 200 FOOT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO 12 U AND 14 U YOU'RE LOOKING AT LARGER SIZE.
14 U SHOULD BE ON A 300 FOOT FIELD.
AND SO WHEN WE'VE ONLY GOT SOFTBALL FIELDS AT THE 300 FOOT SIZE, THAT'S SAYING THAT THE OLDER KIDS HAVE TO PLAY ON A SOFTBALL FIELD, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE, CAN DO IT, BUT THAT'S NOT IDEALLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
THEY SHOULD BE ON AN ACTUAL BASEBALL FIELD.
AND THEN THAT ALSO SAYS THAT THE ONLY SOFTBALL FIELDS FOR YOUTH FAST PITCHED SOFTBALL ARE 300 FOOT FIELDS.
AND THEY NORMALLY PLAY ON 200 FOOT FIELDS.
THEY DON'T PLAY ON 300 FOOT FIELDS.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY GETS HIT UP ALL OVER THE FENCE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A BAD SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY WHERE WE'RE CRAMMING PEOPLE IN WHEREVER THEY, WHEREVER WE CAN FIT THEM.
AND THEN IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST REPLICATING THAT ON A LARGER SCALE INSTEAD OF MAYBE GETTING SOME MORE OF THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS MET AS, AS WE GROW IT.
UM, AS A GENERAL COMMENT, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FOR AS LARGE A SPACE AS WE CAN FIND SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THE FIELDS THAT WE CAN BUILD TODAY, BUT HAVE ROOM TO EXPAND IT IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHASE THINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU KNOW? UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY WE CAN GET, BUT, UM, AND THEN FOR THE BENEFIT
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OF, OF EVERYBODY HERE IN THE AUDI, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT, THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE EDC.UM, THE CITY HAS PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHERE PERFECT GAME WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO GO.
THE EDC HAS A MASTER DEVELOPER WORKING ON PLANS FOR IT.
PART OF THOSE PLANS THAT COME BACK ARE GOING TO BE CARVING OUT PIECES OF THAT PROPERTY FOR CITY FACILITIES.
AND SO THAT ALL HASN'T BEEN WORKED OUT YET, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY C UM, WORKING FORWARD ON THAT.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING ON MY MIND AS AN IMPORTANT THING TO PUT IN THERE.
UM, BUT I, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE FIELD SIZES AND REALLY FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING THERE.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE FIELD SIZES.
I, THE SOFTBALL SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T, I THAT'S PROBABLY A TYPO.
200 FOOT IS VERY MUCH STANDARD.
BUT, BUT WE NEED ADULT SOFTBALL FIELDS AND THOSE ARE 300 FOOT FIELDS.
I MEAN, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE ADULT SOFTBALL FIELD MEETS OUR NEEDS GOING FORWARD AND YOU NEED 300 FOOT FIELDS FOR BASEBALL KIDS WHEN THEY GET OLDER.
SO, SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE DAN'S READING MY MIND.
I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE PRESENTATION FOR A LOT OF THE SAME REASONS, BUT ALSO THE SAME ISSUE.
MY KIDS TOOK UP SOCCER, I WENT IN BASEBALL.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT UP.
BUT THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE FIELDS, THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE SOCCER FIELDS.
I MEAN, THOSE SOCCER FIELDS YOU'VE GOT LIKE, UH, THERE'S SPORTING COMPLEX, FRISCO HAS ONE AND THEY'VE GOT THE FIELDS.
AND YOU CAN HAVE LIKE TWO U EIGHTEENS, YOU CAN HAVE FOUR TWO U TWELVES.
WE JUST CRAM EVERYBODY DOWN ON AN AREA, MOVE SOME GOALS AROUND, AND YOU MAKE IT WORK.
AND THIS SEEMS SO SHORTSIGHTED TO ME IN THAT I WAS HOPING THERE WAS GONNA BE A PLAN OF LIKE, LOOK, YOU GUYS ARE AT 40,000 PEOPLE TODAY.
BUILD OUT'S A HUNDRED, WE RECOMMEND, ULTIMATE BUILD OUT IS GONNA BE 15 BASEBALL FIELDS.
SO YOU BUILD SIX TODAY IN THIS AREA, AND THEN YOU EXPAND TO TWO MORE, UM, TWO MORE SIX.
UH, SO YOU EXPAND IN LIKE FIVE YEARS.
ANOTHER ONE YOU BUILD LIKE FOUR SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE OVERSAW.
AND THEN AS YOU EXPAND, BECAUSE WHAT I FEEL LIKE HAPPENS WITH YOUR FIVE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD YOUR OLDEST KID IS, BUT I HAVE TWO KIDS IN SOCCER.
ONE PLAYED GIRLS, ONE PLAYED BOYS, ONE PLAYS AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, ONE PLAYS AT TWO O'CLOCK.
LUCKILY THIS PLACE HAD 24 FIELDS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
SHE HAD TO PLAY OVER HERE ON ANOTHER PART OF TOWN.
THAT'S A FREAKING NIGHTMARE BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE ALWAYS UNHAPPY THAT WHY DID DAD WATCH MY GAME? MM-HMM.
SO TO ME, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS RIGHT, AND IT, AND I DO AGREE, IT'S AN ECONOMIC DRIVER.
YOU HAVE 250 ACRES, THE EDCS JOBS TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THINGS CAN BE DONE.
YOU SEE IT IN FRISCO, THAT'S EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
ROUND ROCK HAS A HUGE SPORTS COMPLEX, BUT THEY HAVE RETAIL UNDER THE FRONTAGE OF 79 BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
YOU PACK A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN.
THEY GOTTA HAVE A PLACE TO DRINK AND DO THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S TWO HOURS IN BETWEEN THE GAME, THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK HOME.
SO TO ME, WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS AS LIKE A HUGE THING, ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF FIELDS.
SOCCER REGULATION STUFF WHERE WHEN THEY GO AND GET INTO HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I PLAYED ON A FIELD LIKE THIS.
NOT LIKE, OH MY GOD, I FINALLY, FINALLY GET TO PLAY ON A FIELD TO WHERE EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOALIE BOX IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT SIZE, WHEREAS IT'S NOT SMALLER JUST BECAUSE IT COULDN'T FIT.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, THE, THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS ON THESE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, I THINK WE DO, YOU DO NEED TO INCLUDE THE FOOTBALL.
'CAUSE YOU CAN GET FLAG FOOTBALL, SOCCER, AND LACROSSE.
THEY ALL OPERATE ON THE EXACT SAME FIELD DESIGN DIMENSIONS.
SO IF YOU BUILD BASEBALL, YOU GOT BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, WOMEN, UH, WOMEN'S BOYS, UH, GIRLS, BOYS, WOMEN, MEN, ALL THAT.
BASICALLY THE SAME IN SOCCER, THEY PLAY ON THE SAME THING.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE A FLAG FOOTBALL DEAL GOING ON A SATURDAY WITH THE SOCCER DEAL WITH THE LACROSSE IF YOU DO IT RIGHT.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT SEASONS AND YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU CAN'T PLAY BECAUSE ARE ONLY SIX FIELDS ARE CRAMMED IN.
AND SOCCER GUYS, UH, HAVE 'EM.
BUT, SO TO ME, I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO GET WITH THE FOOTBALL, THE DEVELOPERS OF THE EDC LAND AND YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND HOW MUCH WE CAN TALK THEM IN.
YOU NEED TO GET WITH FOOTBALL.
AND THEN WE NEED TO BE THINKING IN TERMS OF, I DON'T WANNA GO SPEND $20 MILLION AND THEN FIVE YEARS AGO WE'RE GONNA GO BUILD ANOTHER ONE ON ANOTHER SIDE OF TOWN AND THEN TRY TO, HOW DO WE LINK ALL THAT TOGETHER? I DON'T KNOW HOW H-Y-B-S-A DOESN'T BECAUSE YOU GOT, WHAT, FOUR FIELDS IN THREE DIFFERENT AREAS? IS THAT RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN TOURNAMENTS AND STUFF IN? WELL, TWO DIFFERENT AREAS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE TO ME.
IT'D BE EASIER IF IT WAS ALL TOGETHER AND IT WAS NICER AND YOU USE THE OTHER FIELDS AS PRACTICE FIELDS OR YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CONSOLIDATED, LET'S GET ALL THE USES
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INTO ONE.TO ME, IF YOU WANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT BRINGING PEOPLE IN, SPREAD 'EM ALL OVER THE CITY.
IT'S IN AN AREA THAT CAN SUPPORT RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A HOTEL BECAUSE YOU HAVE OUT OF TURN OR OUT OF TOWN, UH, TOURNAMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN TAYLOR.
THEY HAVE HOTELS BUILT IN ODD PLACES 'CAUSE IT'S OVER BY THE SPORTING FACILITIES.
AND THEN YOU SEE ROUND ROCK HAS HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS BY THEIR SPORTING FACILITIES.
AND IF WE JUST BUILT SIX BASEBALL FIELDS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA DRAG IN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER MARRIOTT OR A, A RESTAURANT TO COME IN THERE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOT TO LEAVE THERE, DRIVE DOWN INTO TOWN.
AND REALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM DO IS YOU SPEND A SATURDAY THERE AND THERE'S OTHER AMENITIES.
YOU'RE WITH THE PARK, THERE'S FOOD DRINKING.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD START.
I HAVE SPORTS, LIKE A SPORTS DISTRICT TYPE THING THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE.
I'M NOT KEEN LIKE A THOUSAND KIDS.
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, THE ONE THING WE BITCHED ABOUT WAS THERE'S NO AMENITIES.
AND WE'RE LIKE, SO EVERYBODY'S PACKING COOLERS AND YOU'RE LIKE, IT'D BE, WE WOULD PAY MONEY TO JUST BE ABLE TO LIKE, YEAH, HERE, GO BUY A SNOW CONE, GO BUY GATORADE OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT AND THEN ALSO HELP SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.
'CAUSE IF YOU BRING PEOPLE IN AND THEY DRIVE TO ROUND ROCK TO GET FOOD, FORCE THEM A NIGHT OR YOU KNOW, THAT HOT MONEY, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THAT.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, SO LET'S SAY WE FAST TRACK THIS AND WE SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO DO THIS.
WHO'S GONNA ACTUALLY, WHO ARE YOU GUYS RECOMMENDING DOING THE ACTUAL DESIGN WORK AND THE ACTUAL LAYOUT AND ALL THAT WORK? UM, AND, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY, I MEAN WE DO ALL THAT STUFF.
WE'VE, WE'VE BUILT SPORTS COMPLEXES ALL OVER THE STATE.
SO WE'VE DONE SEVERAL OF 'EM UP IN DALLAS.
UH, I WORKED FOR SC DALLAS FOR A WHILE, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT COMPLEX, ALTHOUGH I DID WORK ON THE DESIGN OF IT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT'S ALWAYS HARD, HARD TO SAY WE RECOMMEND OURSELVES, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE BEEN SHORTLISTED WITH THE CITY, UM, FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND FINDING A UNIQUE COLLABORATION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT END PRODUCT IS.
IF IT, IF IT TRULY IS GROUPING UP WITH THE EDC AND FIGURING OUT, OKAY, IS THERE A SPORTS TOURISM LOCATION THAT WE'RE DOING? AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT COLLABORATION THAN, YOU KNOW, SIX FIELDS ISOLATED WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO, TO PIECEMEAL THINGS TOGETHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE ULTIMATELY LIKE LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HEAR YOU SAY, I MEAN THE ONE I QUADRUPLE STAR IS LET'S LOOK AT FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CITY.
WE WANT TO HAVE A DON'T BUILD IT TODAY.
LET'S LOOK AT THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CITY.
SO HERE'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT IF YOU GUYS DID DESIGN JUST, I'M ALWAYS UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE.
I'M ONLY ONE VOTE COULD GET OUTVOTED.
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE STUDIES AND RECOMMEND THE THINGS AND RECOMMEND THE FAST TRACK, I PERSONALLY DON'T EVER LIKE THOSE SAME PEOPLE TO BE THE ONES THAT DO THE DESIGN.
BECAUSE IN A WAY YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO GET GOING QUICK ON IT.
YOU SHOULD START NEXT MONTH ON THIS.
AND OH BY THE WAY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPENING NEXT MONTH.
WE COULD JUMP RIGHT IN AND START DESIGNING.
SO I LIKE TO KEEP THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE STUDY SEPARATE FROM THE ENGINEERING, SEPARATE FROM THE PEOPLE DOING CONSTRUCTION THAT WAY EVERYBODY'S KIND, THERE'S NEVER A CHANCE OF CONFLICT, BUT JUST IN CASE THIS COMES BACK UP AND IT'S YOU GUYS ON DESIGN, JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT I, I WOULD PREFER PERSONALLY THE STUDY PEOPLE KEEP THE DESIGN PEOPLE IN CHECK AND NOT BE THE SAME.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE ALWAYS KIND OF TALK WITH PEOPLE ABOUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE A COLLABORATOR ON IT, IS THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT THAT WE REALLY WANT TO GET SEEN ROLLED ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE RIBBON CUTTING WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CAPTURE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD IN, IN THIS REPORT OR IN A PRESENTATION.
IT IS TOUGH, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S A LOT OF WORDS AND A LOT OF PICTURES.
EVEN IF WE BRING IN STRATEGIC COLLABORATORS, MAN, WE WOULD ALWAYS LOVE TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ULTIMATE VISION AND THE INPUT FROM ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ULTIMATELY GET ROLLED THROUGH.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT AND THE CANDOR WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE TALKED PRIOR WAS FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON THE PROPERTY, THAT THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE IT'S A ONE STOP SHOP TO WHERE, HEY, I SPEND MONEY HERE, I CAN PARK HERE, I CAN WALK AROUND AND I'M COMFORTABLE TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, OH, THERE'S A SPACE TO WHERE IF I BROUGHT MY GRANDMOTHER, THERE'S SOME PLACE FOR HER.
'CAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH TRYING TO BUILD A CONNECTEDNESS BUT ALSO ENVISION WHAT JUST A BLANK SLATE LOOKS LIKE.
BUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, HOW DO WE NOT HAVE TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN? 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AT LEAST PERSONALLY IS, OKAY, WE HAVE STAKEHOLDERS HERE, BUT WE HAVE EDC HERE.
YES, WE OWN IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE
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CITY HAS SO MUCH INPUT.BUT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO PROJECT OUT WITHOUT MINIMIZING THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITUATION WHERE WE POSSIBLY GONNA HAVE MIXED RETAIL.
WE NEED GREEN SPACES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE, WELL I DON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY TO SPEND, I JUST WANNA WALK AROUND.
JUST KIND OF LIKE THE EQUIVALENT TO A MALL WALKER.
MOST SENIORS THAT GO TO A MALL, THEY DON'T SPEND MONEY, BUT THEY WILL WALK AROUND FOR HOURS.
SO IT'S LIKE A SAFE SPACE FOR 'EM.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S A SITUATION WHERE WE WON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE UNTIL OUR MASTER PLAN FIELD IS FINALIZED FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE IT TO WHERE YOU ALL ARE AT.
SO WE CAN START MERGING THE TWO.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF INGREDIENTS ON THE TABLE WITHOUT AN IDEA OF HOW THE MEAL IS BEING MADE.
I MEAN I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM LIKE THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF Y'ALL'S INPUT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO I DID KIND OF SEE LIKE THE TIMELINE IT'S PROJECTED OUT AS AS 10 YEARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND THE CURVE BALL EVEN IF WE START NOW, RIGHT.
CURVE BALL AND IF RIGHT THERE WE GO.
AND SO WE'RE RIGHT, WE'RE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
AND SO IF SAY IT TAKES FOUR OR FIVE YEARS TO GET THIS COMPLETE, UH, WITH FUNDING AND EVERYTHING, IT'S, IT'S JUST MATH ISN'T ADDING RIGHT FOR ME ANYWAYS.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS MORE, UH, THAT CAN HANDLE THE TOURNAMENTS, THE FLOAT PEOPLE AND MORE PEOPLE BEING IN HU AS WELL.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GET US UP TO PAR BUT FOR THE 10 YEARS.
BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT WE MAY SEE IN 10 YEARS.
IT COULD BE MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE.
SO, AND ALSO 33 49 IS GONNA BE BUILT OUT AND GO ALL THE WAY WITH CHANDLER AT SOME POINT WITH THE BRIDGE OVER AS WELL.
THAT RIGHT NOW IS ALL AGRICULTURAL LAND OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT TYING UP LAST MOST VALUABLE PORTION OF 79 HAVING LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY, SO CLOSE TO THE ACTUAL PART OF THE HU YOU KNOW, WHEREAS IF YOU HAD ON 33 49 BETWEEN THOSE TWO BRIDGES WITH 1 99 AND 33 49
THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, THAT'S WHY I WANT THAT MASTER PLAN IN PC.
DRIVE IS ECONOMIC BECAUSE YES, I GET YOUR POINT OF PEOPLE COMING, BUT IT, IF WE ALSO HAVE IT WHERE IT'S A LARGER SPACE THAT'S DEDICATED TO THAT, THEN WE MAKE IT A SPORTS DISTRICT.
BUT DON'T TIE UP OUR LAST RETAIL PART RIGHT THERE ON 79.
THAT'S, IF YOU ALSO THINK OF IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXPENSES A CITY INCURS TYPICALLY IS A STADIUM.
EVERYBODY GOES CRAZY OVER A NEW STADIUM, BUT OUTSIDE OF 20 DATES A YEAR IT SITS EMPTY.
SO THE LAST THING WE WANT IS A SITUATION WHERE WE PUT THIS TO THIS AND THEN LOOK UP WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IT'S GREAT, LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, BUT WHAT ELSE OTHER REVENUE DRIVERS COULD WE HAVE THERE? SO THAT'S WHERE THE MASTER PLAN BILL IS SO CRUCIAL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, THERE HAS TO BE A HAPPY MEDIUM TO WHERE MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME GREEN SPACES FACTORED IN AS A PART OF PHASE ONE.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF BUILD OFF OF THAT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT FENCES AROUND SOMETHING AND REDO SOMETHING VERSUS YOU GO IN INSTANTLY INTO FIELD AND FROM THE OUTSIDE PERCEPTION SOMEONE MAY SAY, OH WELL I JUST WANTED TO TAKE IN NATURE.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS WHERE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE WE'RE KILLING KILLING THE GREEN SPACE IN THE CITY.
SO IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT MAY NOT COST AS MUCH STARTING OFF THE GATE.
'CAUSE IF YOU SELL $17 MILLION TO THE PUBLIC, THEY INSTANTLY WILL BE LIKE, OH, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DAMN ROBES? THAT, THAT'LL ALWAYS BE THE THE COUNTER ARGUMENT POTENTIALLY.
LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING THERE.
THERE'S AN URGENCY NEED, RIGHT? THERE'S THIS NEED, WE'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND THEN THERE'S THE ULTIMATE NEED, WHICH IS, IS A BIG, ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT IS A BIG NEED.
IS THERE A, A SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS LET'S KIND OF CATCH UP WITH THIS LONGER TERM SOLUTION LATER ON.
THAT'S THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HEY WE, WE NEED THIS FOR THE MOMENT.
WE NEED THIS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
KNOWING THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GONNA GO DO THIS.
MAYBE IT'S TENURE, THIS BIGGER COMPLEX THAT'S GONNA SERVE BUILD OUT.
IF THERE'S A 2000 HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DON'T BUILD ALL 2000 HOMES IN ONE YEAR.
THEY BUILD PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO PHASE.
SO PHASE ONE MAY BE A FOURPLEX OF BALL FIELDS.
PHASE TWO MAY BE SOME MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS.
PHASE THREE MAY BE UH, DEPENDING ON DEMAND, MAYBE BASEBALL STAGNANT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
AND, AND FLAG FOOTBALL TAKES OFF.
OKAY, WE'LL BUILD SOME MORE MULTIPURPOSE.
BUT WE KNOW PHASE FIVE OVER HERE IS THE NEXT BASEBALL TO WHERE WHEN IT'S DONE 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, NO ONE THINKS YOU'VE BUILT IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ALL BUILT TOGETHER AT ONCE.
LIKE, LIKE YOU SEE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF YOU JUST GO IN AND GO, WE HAVE TO, WELL WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO RIGHT NOW?
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AND BUILD SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY.TO ME THAT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED AND YOU'LL WIND UP FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER THEN NO ONE'S USING THE PREVIOUS ONE.
BUT YOU'RE STILL PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE ON IT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D ASK THE STAFF IS IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO SAY JUST SELL BONDS AND BUILD IT.
BUT WE'VE HAD A CORPORATE PERSON WHO FOR TWO YEARS HAS BEEN WANTING TO DO BUSINESS IN HU HAS WANTED TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY AND DISCUSS HOW DO WE BUILD 10 FIELDS? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WE'RE NOT ENGAGING THEM.
AND SO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO THINGS IN HUDDLE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.
THEY HA WE HAVE TO ALL BE WILLING TO ENGAGE THEM AND GO, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
WE TALK NUMBERS, WE TALK GATE REVENUE, PARKING REVENUE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THE EASY ANSWER IS ALWAYS, YOU GUYS SOLD 20 MILLION IN, YOU HAVE 20 MILLION IN BOND CAPACITY.
BUT THE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND SO THEN YOU WIND UP BUILDING A NICE FACILITY.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN THE SPORT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CORPORATE PERSON WHO'S WILLING TO SPEND, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY 'CAUSE WE'VE NEVER SAT DOWN IN TWO YEARS AND HAD A LEGITIMATE SERIOUS CONVERSATION.
MAYBE THEY'D PICK UP 10 MILLION OF IT.
AND IF THEY'RE PICKING UP 10 MILLION, I THINK THAT'S WORTH 5 MILLION.
THAT'S WORTH, IT'S WORTH HAVING A DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT BILL'S FOUR OR FIVE FIELDS BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS.
BUT FOR TWO YEARS MONEY JUST SITTING THERE.
MEANWHILE THE COSTS ARE GOING UP.
WE'RE JUST DOING, NO OFFENSE TO STUDIES, WE'RE JUST DOING STUDIES AND STUDIES WHEN THE MONEY'S JUST SITTING THERE READY TO GET SPENT AND WE'RE NOT EVEN ENGAGING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM.
BUT GOING BACK TO I GUESS WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY ASKED, JUST LIKE IS THERE A DESIRE FOR A TEMPORARY SOLUTION? I WOULD SAY YES ON MY END.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL ON THAT, BUT I DO.
AND I WAS GONNA SAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THAT THEY NEED IS THE BATTING CAGES BACK.
I KNOW THE BATTING CAGES WEREN'T TAKEN OUT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TEMPORARY WE CAN DO.
AND WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? UH, THE HEAD START PROPERTY NEXT TO THE FIELD.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THAT EXTRA SPACE AROUND IT.
SO THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS COAST CABINETS.
THE PROPERTY BEHIND HEAD STARTED IS FEDERAL PROPERTY.
SO CAN WE, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO ASK FOR FEDERAL PROPERTY FOR US, FOR US TO USE THAT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THEM?
BUT HEAD START'S OPERATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
RIGHT? SO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND IT IS FEDERAL PROPERTY.
THEN THE SLIVER BETWEEN HU ELEMENTARY AND HEAD START IS COACH GT'S PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW COACH WOOD, BUT SHE'S THE PROPERTY.
IF WE GOT THE OKAY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE THAT EXTRA SPACE AND THEN THE BATTING CAGES REALLY NEED TO BE PUT BACK IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T IN THE PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, SO THAT, THOSE ARE SOME IMMEDIATE FIXES THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITHIN A YEAR'S PROCESS TO GET THEM SOME OF WHAT THEY NEED.
NOW, IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT SO THAT LAND THAT YOU HAD IDENTIFIED THERE ON THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES, THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO DO A, AN IDEAL FULL BUILD OUT? NO.
IS IT? I MEAN THERE'S JUST NO WAY, RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY 20 ACRES.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD THINK THAT WE, IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA DO THAT, I LIKE THE IDEA FOR THE FUTURE AND HAVING IT, YOU KNOW, BUILT OUT SLOWLY.
YOU HAVE THIS BIG MASSIVE PIECE OF LAND AND THEN YOU JUST BUILD IT OUT CHUNK BY CHUNK.
LET LET THE EDC WORK WITH THEIR MASTER DEVELOPER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE.
AND THEN WE START LOOKING FOR ANOTHER SITE THAT WE COULD SAY, WHAT'S THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUTAGE YOU NEED? BUY THE LAND.
AND THEN YOU JUST START, LIKE MAYOR SAID, YOU START BUILDING OUT PIECE BY PIECE UNTIL IT'S ALL FULLY BUILT OUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG REVELATION, RIGHT? WE WANT ALL OF THIS IN ONE.
WE WANNA HAVE ONE PRIMARY LOCATION FOR ALL THESE FACILITIES.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK FOR SURE.
IS EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT? LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, WE MAY NEED TO DO SOME THINGS, BRING BACK BATTING CAGES TO MAKE LIFE BETTER IN THE INTERIM, BUT ULTIMATELY WE WANT EVERYTHING IN ONE LOCATION.
RECTANGLE FIELDS, DIAMOND FIELDS.
WE WANT A PRIMARY TRUE SPORTS COMPLEX.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YEAH.
JEFF, THE EASE OF ACCESS ACROSS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT STUCK WITH THE RAILROAD TRACK BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY CONGESTED AREA.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.
AND SO ADDING THAT, YOU KNOW WHERE WE KNOW WHERE THE 1 99 BRIDGE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT.
33 49 I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA.
YOU A NORTH OF 79, SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S GONNA CONNECT NORTH TO I 35 MM-HMM.
SO I'D STUDY, I'D STUDY THE TWO SO YOU CAN FIX IT UP.
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SO DEEP OF LAND, IT'S NOT ALL GONNA BE RETAIL.SO IF WE'VE GOT THIS IDEA THAT THAT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY AND WE'VE GOT THESE GRAND VISIONS, IT'S GONNA BE RETAIL FOR THE FIRST THOUSAND FEET AND YOUR NEXT 3000 FEET IS GONNA BE WHAT, LIKE WHAT DOES COUNCIL THINK IS GONNA BE THERE? IT'S EITHER GONNA BE APARTMENTS, HOMES, THAT'S THE CHEAPEST LAND WE'RE EVER GONNA GET.
SO IF YOU THINK WE'RE GONNA GO ON 3 3 49 AND PICK UP A HUNDRED ACRES, YOU'LL SPEND AS MUCH MONEY ON THE LAND AS YOU COULD HAVE FILLED ALL THE BASEBALL FIELDS YOU WANTED TO BUILD.
SO YOU'LL END UP WITH RETAIL LAND THAT THE EDCS TRYING TO MARKET FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN APARTMENTS.
AND THEN WE'LL SPEND $20 MILLION ON LAND THAT COULD HAVE GONE INTO BASEBALL FIELDS.
WE ALSO HAD CONTRADICT YOURSELF, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WANTED TO HAVE ONE BIG COMPLEX THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL TOGETHER AND YOU DON'T SPREAD THIS LAND CITY THAT THERE'S 250 ACRES OF COTTONWOOD LAND.
THEY'VE ONLY SH THEY'RE SHOWING YOU 25, THERE'S 250 THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO 1 99 WITH A BRIDGE THAT'S COMING OVER OR WITH 1 39 WITH THE BRIDGE AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CHANGE ALL.
UM, YOU WANT THE EDC TO GIVE UP THEIR PRIME SPOT ON 79 FOOTBALL, BASEBALL FIELDS THERE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY CENTER THAT COULD GO ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE A BIGGER DRAW TO MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAN JUST BASEBALL FIELDS.
AND THIS IN THE CENTER PART OF THE TOWN, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED A POLICE STATION, LARGE DISTRIBUTION THING, A LIBRARY.
THERE WAS LOTS OF OTHER BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE USED IN THAT BACK HALF MM-HMM
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE BEHOLDING TO I WANNA RECREATE IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.
I THINK YOU OUGHT TO RETHINK THAT NOW THAT HU IS GROWING AND WE KNOW WHERE IT IS.
AND I THINK UNTIL PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO ON BOTH SIDES JUST SAY, LOOK, PERFECT GAME'S GONE.
WE DON'T NEED TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING ELSE IN THE SAME PERFECT GAME SPOT.
WHICH IS WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO BE.
I THINK THAT'S SHORTSIGHTED AND WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
UM, JAMIE, DO WE KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH LIKE HAS UH, MIDWAY EVEN TOLD US IT'S LIKE A THOUSAND HOW MUCH ACREAGE THEY'RE USING FOR RETAIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I HAVEN'T SEEN NO, NOT YET.
AND JUST FOR AWARENESS, THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THE DRAFT FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THAT Y'ALL ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT.
SO HERE'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR GUYS BECAUSE IT GETS, YOU GET SIDETRACKED.
SO IF WE GO AND WE SAY WE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING HERE, WE WANNA GO TO 33 49.
IT MAY TAKE US FIVE YEARS TO GET THE LAND.
SO ALL YOUR COSTS AND I MEAN IT BUMPS IT OUT, RIGHT? WE GET VERY EMOTIONAL.
NOT HERE, WE'VE GOTTA GO HERE.
AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS CAN YOU SHOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE HERE? CAN YOU SHOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AT 33 49 AND WE'LL TAKE SOME LAND COSTS AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE I'M NOT ADVOCATING IT HAS TO BE HERE.
I'M JUST ADVOCATING ONE BIG LOCATION.
DON'T GIVE UP THIS ONE AND LET THE, LET THE MIDWAY PEOPLE TALK.
AND I THINK THE EDCS GONNA FIND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN PUT ON THERE AND IT IS EITHER GONNA BE A BUNCH OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, APARTMENTS, THINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOT GONNA WANT.
AND THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AS YOU KNOW, SAYING YOU'RE FROM FRISCO, BEING AROUND THOSE NOW ALL SAYING YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA HAVE RESTAURANTS BY THAT.
SO TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR PRO TEM, IF THEY HAVE TO PARTICIPATE AT THE ASK OF COUNCILS TO PARTICIPATE IN HELPING BUILD THIS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WELL THAT'S, THEY'RE CHARTERED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS TO DO THAT.
AND IF WE ALL SIT DOWN AND AGREE IN A JOINT MEETING THAT THIS IS MAYBE THE BEST PLAN FOR THE CITY, GREAT.
IF IT'S NOT THE BEST PLAN AND 33 49 IS AT LEAST WE CAN TELL EVERYBODY.
WE LOOKED AT TWO COMPETING THINGS.
WE DIDN'T JUST GO TO ONE AND WE, WE DID A, WE DID A VERY GOOD ANALYSIS AND THIS IS WHY WE CAME UP.
TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY HU KEEPS DOING WHAT HU DOES.
WE JUST PICKED SOMETHING AND WE SAY THINGS ARE FACTS AND WE GO IN AND DO IT AND THEN PEOPLE LATER ON SECOND GUESS US AND GO, WHY THE HELL DID YOU GUYS DO THAT? AND WE GO, I DON'T KNOW.
'CAUSE SO AND SO SAID IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
SO LET'S HAVE A COUPLE, IF THERE'S A THIRD ONE YOU GUYS SEE BRING UP A THIRD ONE.
AND, AND AND HOW MANY ACRES DOES THIS THING NEED? THE 15 BALL FIELDS AND 15 SOCCER FIELDS.
I MEAN IS THAT A 40 ACRES? THAT 80 ACRES? IT MAYBE, IT, MAYBE IT DOESN'T EVEN FIT THERE.
OR MAYBE YOU GUYS SAID YOU COULD BUILD A LIBRARY, A POLICE STATION, A REC CENTER.
A THOUSAND APARTMENTS, A HUNDRED RESTAURANTS AND 20 BALL FIELDS.
I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE NO ONE'S SITE PLANNED THE WHOLE THING.
SO THE OTHER THING, IF WE WANT A HOSPITAL COMPLEX IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA SEE ON THIS LAND BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MEDICAL FACILITY, WE NEED THE HOSPITAL.
WELL I MEAN WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM MIDWAY.
SO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR MIDWAY ON SOME OF THIS.
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ALMOST A THIRD OF THAT PROPERTY ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE ON THE WEST IS FLOODPLAIN.SO IT'S GOING TO BE USED AS SOME KIND OF PARK OR OPEN SPACE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED FOR A FACILITY TO BE BUILT THERE.
SOMETHING GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY TAKING IT BACK TO I GUESS THE LIKE A POTENTIAL TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF WAIT FOR MIDWAY.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS LIKE PURE HARD RAW LAND THAT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR JEFF OR Y'ALL CAN ANSWER, OR MAYBE SOME OF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER TOO, BECAUSE I'M BAD AT LIKE ACREAGE MATH, BUT HOW BIG IS THE DURANGO SQUARE? THREE ACRES.
SO IF IT'S TWO, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TWO, IF IT'S TWO ACRES OF ACTUAL FIELDS AND LIKE SAY AN ACRE PARKING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TWO OR NOT, OR IF THAT'S REASONABLE, HOW MANY FIELDS CAN YOU FIT ON TWO ACRES OR SAY TWO AND A HALF ACRES? DOES ANYBODY KNOW TEMPORARILY? RIGHT.
THIS WOULD BE LIKE OUR, BUT DID YOU SPEND $3 MILLION TO BUILD A TEMPORARY FIELD OR WOULD YOU JUST TO ME, TEMPORARY.
I'M WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, THAT SAID THAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT MAYBE DO BATTING CAGES OR SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT LIKE I'M NEVER GONNA BE OKAY JUST DROPPING A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS ON A FIELD.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT AN OPTION OUT THERE TO SEE, LOOKING AT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE WAY THAT Y'ALL ARE, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING IS LITERALLY 10 YEARS OUT FROM NOW.
THE BALL FIELDS, THEY DON'T HAVE 10 YEARS.
DON'T THINK IT'S 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO I, AND I ALSO WENT AND WAIT FOR MIDWAY.
I THINK WE NEED TO TELL MID THEY DON'T HAVE THE LAND ON A CONTRACT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT OUT THERE AS A WHAT IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN THROW OUT WHAT IFS RIGHT.
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
BUT I'M TRYING TO THROW OUT MY, WHAT IF THE SCENARIO.
SO I LIKE AN ANSWER RIGHT TO MY SCENARIO INSTEAD OF BEING SHUT DOWN SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR MIDWAY.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE LAND ON OUR CONTRACT.
WE COULD GO TO THEM AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING.
I GUESS WE NEED TO GO DOWNSTAIRS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING IS IF, IF WE WAIT ON MIDWAY, WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE BASICALLY HAVING A DEVELOPER TELL US WHAT THE CITY'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
WHEN, WHEN DO WE EXPECT, WHEN DID WE EXPECT MIDWAY TO HAVE THE REPORT DONE AT BALLPARK? SO THEY HAVE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY, WELL, DEPENDING ON Y'ALL'S ACTIONS TONIGHT, RIGHT? THEY'LL BE UNDER SIX MONTH MOU FOR ALL THE FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING SIX MONTHS.
I MEAN, SO LET'S NOT FOR WHAT, LIKE IT'S YEARS FROM NOW, WHICH IS KIND OF HOW IT'S BEING SPUN OUT JUST NOW.