* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SIX O'CLOCK. [00:00:02] CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2020. ORDER TO ORDER. SO ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN THOMPSON. COUNCILOR THORNTON. COUNCILOR CLARK. MAYOR KOHLER. HERE. COUNCILOR WILCOTT. MAYOR TIM GORDON. HERE. MAYOR HONOR. HERE. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ITEM, DISCUSSION [3.1 Discussion on prioritizing objectives for the 2024-2025 Strategic Plan (City Manager James Earp)] ON PRIORITIZING OBJECTIVES FOR THE 2024 2025 STRATEGIC PLAN. MAYOR, WE DON'T HAVE A FORUM. WE STILL MEET. WE'RE NOT GONNA ACT. WE HAVE A WHO'S TRYING? IT'S REALLY NOT. I, YEAH. I'M MESSAGING. YOU CAN'T EVEN LIKE, DISCUSS. LEMME TEXT RANDALLS. HE'S GONNA JUMP OVER HERE. WELL, IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE ANYWAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE THE PURPOSE IS TO GET CONSENSUS ON WHAT THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES GOALS ARE, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD, BUT MAYBE, UM, I GOT A LOT WORK TO DO SO WE CAN JUST ADJOURN AND UH, WE CAN KNOCK STUFF OUT AND COME BACK. I MEAN, 'CAUSE IF IT'S HERE GONNA BE THREE OR FOUR YEAH, I KNOW. UH, I KNOW RANDALL WAS NEEDING TO DIAL IN TONIGHT. HIS DAD NEEDED A PROCEDURE OR SOMETHING HE HAD TO GO UP THERE FOR. YEAH. UH, YOU TWO GOT OBJECTIONS TO ADJOURN. THAT'S FINE. WE, I MEAN, I'M SURE WITHIN FIVE OR 10 MINUTES TWO PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP. SO DANIEL IS PROBABLY LIKE FIVE MINUTES. YOU LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WE HAD TO DRINK 'CAUSE NO ONE SHOWED UP. WELL, WE CAN HANG. CAN WE RECESS? YOU CAN RECESS. YOU CAN RECESS. OR JUST, UM, YEAH, RECESS. YOU SIT HERE ON LIVE TV? YEAH, WE COULD. WHAT ARE THEY WAITING ON? MORE PEOPLE. SO THIS IS A LIST THAT Y'ALL COMPILED FROM OUR STRATEGIC SESSION WHEN WE WROTE DOWN. CORRECT. INSTEAD OF US BANTERING, WE WROTE THEM DOWN. ACTUALLY WRITE 'EM DOWN. WE COMPILED THEM INTO THE CATEGORIES. OKAY. SO TONIGHT WAS ABOUT PARSING THROUGH THIS LIST AND FINDING ITEMS THAT THE, THAT THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS TO HAVE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. RIGHT. AND SOME OF THEM OVERLAP OR ARE THE SAME THING. YEAH. PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE. YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT LIKE SHOW UP LIKE THREE TIMES, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT FOLDER. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF THAT THAT I EASILY COULD DISTILL DOWN. BUT I WANTED TO REPORT OUT. THERE'S DAN, I WANTED TO REPORT OUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US, EVEN IF IT DID SHOW UP MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS LIST IS CURRENTLY. GO AHEAD DAN. SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING. OKAY. TON HERE AT 6 0 2. WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED DISCUSSION 'CAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR YEAH, WE WERE WAITING FOR THE FOURTH. SO WE NEED, SO, SO THIS IS, OH, YOU NEED FIVE TO OPEN YOUR MEETING. YEAH. BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT WAS THE ONE CHARTER. YOUR, YOUR CITIZENS DECIDED NOT TO ALLOW YOU TO MEET UNLESS YOU HAVE FIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT FAILED. RIGHT? EVERYTHING ELSE PASSED. YEAH. THAT IT, WELL, AGAIN, AS I AND NOW TOLD WRONG, AS I UNDERSTAND, SAID YOU CAN DIS YOU CAN HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING WITH THREE PEOPLE THERE. YOU CAN DISCUSS THINGS. YOU JUST LEGALLY CANNOT ACT ON THEM. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU PUBLICIZED THE AGENDA AND THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN INFORMED ABOUT IT. SO IF WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THAT, WE CAN START TALKING. YEAH. YEAH. PARKS HAS DONE THAT BEFORE TOO. WHEN THEY HAVEN'T HAD A FORUM. THEY JUST INFORMED LIKE THE ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN THEY JUST, THE CHARTER SAYS YOU CAN'T BE AS THE COUNCIL UNLESS YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE. WE HAVE FOUR HERE. I'M NOT MEETING, TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. THE MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I CAN, I MEAN THAT ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A MEETING, UNLESS YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE, THEN YOU CAN'T RECESS THE MEETING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE. SO THEN I HAVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING FOR LACK OF A REPORT. YOU CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, BUT YOU'RE JUST WAITING TO ESTABLISH FORM. THAT'S HOW I WILL WANT DO JUST HANG OUT OR GO DO OTHER STUFF UNTIL WE HAVE ONE MORE. ALMOST ALMOST COUNTS. UNPROFESSIONAL. PEOPLE WONDER WHY I GET SO FRUSTRATED AT TIMES FOUR AND A HALF. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD OBJECT TO YOU SITTING UP AT THE TABLE. THAT'S ALRIGHT. I CAN WAIT. I'LL, I'LL WAIT UNTIL IT'S OFFICIAL. CHANGE BOOTS. ALRIGHT, SO WE BE CLEAR. THE LIST THAT DAVID SENT OUT, THAT, THAT WAS COMPILED FROM WHAT, WHAT WAS WRITTEN AND TURNED IN AT THE STRATEGIC [00:05:01] PLANNING MEETING. PATRICK IBARRA. WE HAD SATURDAY SOME OF THIS STUFF ON HERE. I DON'T EVER REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT. SO I'M TRYING TO WE DIDN'T, NO, WE DOWN AT THE END. OH, THIS IS JUST DOWN. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ANYBODY SAID. JUST THAT'S RIGHT. Y'ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER SAID. I THINK YOURS WAS JUST THREE LETTERS. WHAT THEY, THREE LETTERS. WHAT REVENUE? , . THAT WAS ONLY LAST YEAR AND THE YEARS BEFORE YOU TURNED YOUR IN REAL FAST. SO, SO WHAT WE DID, MAYOR, WAS EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WROTE DOWN WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM. THAT THEY WANTED TO PROPOSE BE CONSIDERED FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN. BUT WE WERE OUT OF TIME AT THE END OF OUR TIME. SO WE COLLECTED ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL NOTES AND THEN, AND THEN LISTED, WE WENT AND CATEGORIZED THEM WHERE WE THINK THEY FALL WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN INITIATIVES. AND THEN THEY'RE ALL UP THERE. SO NOW AS A BODY, OUR HOPE AS STAFF WOULD BE THAT THE BODY WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER THE ITEMS THAT ARE UP THERE, EVERYONE ENDORSES OR THEY JUST, THE ONE PERSON'S POINT OF VIEW OF WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING DONE THAT THE REST OF THE BODY DOESN'T AGREE TO. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE LIST THAT NEEDS TO COME OFF, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY LOOKING FOR. OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED THAT HAS COME UP SINCE THEN THAT EVERYONE AGREES TO, TO BE ADDED, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TOO. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEND NOTHING IN, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TYPE IT. BUT THE, THE BIGGEST THING IS I DON'T WANNA, WE ALL INDIVIDUALLY TYPE STUFF AND SEND IT TO YOU AND PUT THAT'S THE LIST AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO. I WANT TO HEAR WHY SOMEONE ELSE WANTS SOMETHING OFF. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T RESPOND TO THAT EMAIL. OKAY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT'D BE MORE OF A SNARKY. LIKE THAT'S WHY I WANNA SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF HER. BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHY PEOPLE WANT THINGS ON AND OFF. COULD CHANGE MY MIND. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE ITEMS. SURE. UM, SO LIVE OAK SIDEWALKS, IS THAT NOT PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION? UH, I MEAN WHOEVER PUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IT. OKAY. UH, BUT I BELIEVE IF I WERE TO INTERPRET THAT IT IS WHENEVER, YES, IT'S BEING DESIGNED WITH SIDEWALKS. OKAY. SO MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE THAT IT BE FUNDED TO BE BUILT. SO INSTEAD OF JUST BUILDING THE PAVEMENT, WE BUILD THE SIDEWALKS. YEAH. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE FUNDING THAT IN JUNE OR JULY. RIGHT. WITH THE REMAINING I, THE PLANNING THROUGH THE SIDEWALKS. SO I MEAN, SO THAT FOR FOR ME DOESN'T, THOSE THINGS RIGHT THERE ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. SO I MEAN THAT'S, SO ASK THIS PETER. IF WE CAN'T DO A MEETING UNTIL WE HAVE FIVE, BRIAN DOESN'T COME IN HERE UNTIL LIKE 2230 USUALLY. SO, AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE. WE DIDN'T NEED RECESS. RIGHT. DOBY. AND THEN STOP TALKING ABOUT THE ITEMS. OR WE JUST NEED TO ADJOURN. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT IT THIS WAY, BUT IT SAYS YOU NEED FIVE MEMBERS CONSTITUTE A QUORUM FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS. THAT'S WHAT SAYING THAT GOES LAW VOTE. I MEAN THAT THAT FOLLOWS STATE LAW. NO ACTION. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED 3 0 6 SHALL BE VALID UNLESS ADOPTED BY THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. SO STATE LAW LETS YOU CONVENE JUST WITH FOUR. YOU JUST CAN'T THINK, CAN'T VOTE. DON'T TAKE BY LUCK IT UP. ONLY BECAUSE WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST WHERE CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS DIDN'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T COME ON PURPOSE. I FELT TO NOT HAVE A QUORUM SO THAT WE COULDN'T ACT ON SOMETHING. AND SO THEY START READING THE LAW AND YOU'RE LIKE, WELL WE CAN STILL TALK PUBLICLY ABOUT IT. YOU JUST CAN'T ACT ON IT. AND SOMETIMES ALL I WANNA DO IS TALK ABOUT IT. WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. YOU LIKE TO TALK. I KNOW. SO WE READY TO START IN THIS , I GUESS SAY YOU CAN TALK AND GET INFORMATION BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY. UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S DO THIS. YOU ON THREE, TWO. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL JUST START NOW. JUST TALK ABOUT EACH ONE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, I'LL BRING IT TO YOU. WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE CHECK MARK ON THAT AND THEN WE'D COME BACK LATER AND, AND VOTE ON IT. BUT ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH INCREASING ROAD MAINTENANCE FUNDING? ALRIGHT. THAT'S ON THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, MAYOR. SO WHENEVER IT COMES UP AGAIN, WE JUST STRIKE IT THROUGH. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH US? I GUESS THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS DONE NECESSARILY NEXT YEAR. IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON. SO WORKING ON UH, ONE 30 FRONTAGE ROADS AND RAMPS, NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND. SO IS THIS THE ONE WHERE WE HAVE TO PAY LIKE A UHHUH FEE TO THE TOLL AUTHORITY? YES. TO TDOT TO DO A STUDY TO TELL US HOW, SO IS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BYPASSING, NOT THE ADDING THE RAMPS. THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT US TO ADD RAMPS. SO THIS, SO THIS ONE WAS MINE THAT I, YEAH, THIS ONE THAT I ADDED. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS JUST WORKING WITH OUR, LIKE TSTC 'CAUSE THEY'RE INVESTING LOTS OF MONEY INTO EXPANDING THEIR CAMPUS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR THEM, THEIR STUDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR CAMPUS EASIER THAN GETTING OFF AND GETTING INNOVATION OR WHATEVER. IT SEEMS LIKE FRONTAGE ROAD IS WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE BECAUSE YOU CAN BYPASS THEM [00:10:01] AND THEN THEY WOULD LOSE INCOME. MM-HMM. . IF WE'RE ADDING ONRAMPS AND OFF RAMPS, I THINK THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. OR AT LEAST AN ON RAMP. I THINK YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ADD AN ON AND OFF RAMP. WHAT ABOUT A FRONTAGE ROAD? YEAH. SO IT'S ALL TOGETHER. YEAH. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THIS IS WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT ADDING LI LOOP AND 6 85? 'CAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TWO SECTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE AND THEN I THINK WE COME BACK AND PART OF THE PLAN THEN STAFF CAN COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A STUDY. THE COUNTY SAYS THEY HAVE MONEY FOR X, Y, Z, THIS IS THE FIRST STEPS. THIS IS A PROCESS. 'CAUSE I, I, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I THINK THE PROCESS IS, BUT I'D RATHER HEAR STAFF. STAFF TELL US AND THEN THE PLAN JUST MEANS THEY'RE GONNA END UP FOCUS ON IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. IF IT'S IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEN THAT INFORMS BUDGET. IT INFORMS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DEPLOY RESOURCES. IT, IT INFORMS NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH DEVELOPERS. IT THAT'S THE SORT OF THINGS THAT A STR THAT AN ITEM IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN DOES. YEAH. SO IF I KNOW THAT IT'S A PRIORITY THAT WE GET FRONTAGE ROADS ON ONE 30, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT WE'RE PAYING TO GO BUILD 'EM. IT MAY BE THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPER AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM BUILD THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT'S IN A STRATEGIC PLAN. OR WE COULD DO LIKE WE TALKED MAYBE WITH WARREN ABOUT, I SAID, WHY CAN'T WE DO LIKE A T AND THEN AS ALL THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED, THEN WE CAN START HAVING THE FUNDING TO THEN SELL THE BONDS AND THEN PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. YEAH. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE AREA WITHOUT ACCESS STUFF. BUT SO THE POINT OF IT BEING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS THAT WE THEN PRIORITIZE RESOURCES TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS. IF IT'S NOT THERE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T, IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN. SO, SO HOW DO WE TIE THAT INTO, I MEAN THIS ALSO SEEMS LIKE A CIP PROJECT TO ME AND HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED THE CIP WELL, SO IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, YES WE CAN SAY SOMETHING STRATEGIC AND KIND OF SHOOT IT TO THE TOP OF THE LIST OR WE CAN LET IT BE A CIP AND PRIORITIZE IT WITHIN THE CIP. IT'S BASICALLY ALL THOSE THINGS. BECAUSE IF IT'S ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I, IT, IT WOULD GET PUT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS UH, IT'S A PRIORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO UH, HAVE UH, YOU KNOW, FULL BUILD OUT OF FRONTAGE ROADS AND ON AND OFF RAMPS FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY ONE 30, UH, CORRIDOR. THAT WOULD BE THE STRATEGIC THING. THEN HOW MUCH OF IT DO WE BUILD AND WHEN AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT'S CIP UH, DEVELOPER NEGOTIATIONS, THAT SORT OF STUFF. BUT IF WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, THEN THAT'S THE STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE. OKAY. WERE YOU CONSIDERING INTERSECTION OF 1 37 AND 1660? THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE OF MINE. UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF WEIGHED HEAVILY ON, ON ON ME EVER SINCE. YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SOME COMMENTS AFTER WE APPROVED THE ROUNDABOUT. JUST THINKING OF SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS, UM, IN THAT AREA. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. NONE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN ACQUIRED YET FROM ANY OF THE LANDOWNERS IN THAT AREA. UNLESS THINGS HAVE CHANGED. MATT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. BUT WITHIN THE PAST TWO MONTHS I UH, CONTACTED HIM AND, UM, NOTHING, NONE OF THE LAND HAS BEEN KIND OF ACQUIRED. SO I'M JUST THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RECONSIDERING IT. BUT IF NO ONE, WHAT'S, IF PEOPLE WANNA STICK WITH ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. BUT I'D LIKE TO STICK THAT IN WITH ALL ROAD PROJECTS. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT IS I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO BUILD EVERYTHING. AND SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE NICE TO BE WIDENED WITH MEDIANS, WITH SIGNALS AND ALL THAT. BUT HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU TACKLE A BILLION DOLLARS IN PROJECTS? SO SOMEWHERE WE JUST GONNA, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN A RIGHT TURN LANE. MM-HMM. SOMEWHERE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST REPAY THE ROAD THAT YES, THE BASE IS TERRIBLE BUT IF WE GET FIVE MORE YEARS, IN FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT COMING IN. SO TO ME I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IT ALL FROM THE PRIORITIZATION, LIKE A ONE THROUGH 20 ON OUR PROJECTS. 'CAUSE MATT'S WORKING ON 64 PROJECTS AND I BET WE CAN'T FUND 64 IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS. SO WHY IS HE BREAKING US BACK AND HIS TEAM FOR SOMETHING WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO? BUT IF WE PRIORITIZED 15 OR 20 INSTEAD OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND THE NEXT YEAR WE ADD ON A FEW MORE, WE MOVE SOME STUFF AROUND. UM, OTHERWISE EVERYBODY'S WORKING TO DO 64 AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM ALL DESIGNED AND NO MONEY TO. SO I DISAGREE ON THIS ONE. UM, I THINK WE'VE MESSED AROUND WITH THIS INTERSECTION A LOT. I THINK ROUNDABOUTS ARE SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS THAN STANDARD INTERSECTIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH WIDE ROADS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S BETTER. I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A MORE POPULAR OPTION, BUT IT'S A SAFER OPTION AND IT ENSURES A LOT OF TRAFFIC FLOW. GEORGE HAS BEEN PUTTING IN MORE, MORE ROUNDABOUTS. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN AREA WHERE THERE'S TWO BACK TO BACK ON ONE ROAD AND YOU FLY THROUGH THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE [00:15:01] NOT GOING FAST, BUT YOU NEVER HAVE TO STOP TRAFFIC. YEAH, I MEAN I AGREE. I AGREE. THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS NEVER HAVE TO CROSS A ROAD THAT'S GOING BOTH WAYS. THEY'RE ONLY CROSSING TRAFFIC GOING ONE WAY AT A TIME. YEAH. SO IT'S MUCH SAFER THAT WAY. I JUST, I JUST TRAFFIC TRAFFIC SLOWER WITH ID MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE THEIR LIKE SCHOOL BUSES. ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT ROUNDABOUT EASILY OR IS IT GONNA BE PRETTY OBSTRUCTIVE WHENEVER THEY'RE ON THE ROAD? 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A TWO, TWO LANES RIGHT? OR SO THEY'RE GONNA OBSTRUCT ANOTHER LANE OF TRAFFIC, PUTTING THEM IN DANGER, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA, IF IF WE WERE TO RECONSIDER IT, IT'S GONNA COST MONEY. SO IT'D BE A, WE PAID MONEY FOR THE ROUNDABOUT SO THEN TO GO BACK IS IT GONNA COST US EVEN MORE MONEY? BUT IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I JUST, AND WE CONVINCED TECH DOT THAT ROUNDABOUT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. YEAH. AND THE SIGNAL IS EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE. SO NOT ONLY WOULD IT COST US MORE TO REDESIGN IT YET AGAIN, BUT WE WOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR THE, FOR NOT ONLY INSTALLING THE SIGNAL BUT THEN MAINTAINING THE SIGNAL GOING FORWARD. I I, I AGREE WITH DAN. I WANT TO KEEP IT ON THERE 'CAUSE AS IS FAIR ENOUGH. UM, BECAUSE I'VE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT UH, OUR CITIZENS HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT A REAL ROUNDABOUT LOOKS LIKE. , THEY'RE PROBABLY JUDGING IT ON WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY, WHICH ISN'T ROUNDABOUTS. I MEAN EVEN THE ONE IN FRONT OF CITY HALL WASN'T DONE RIGHT. SO ALL GOOD FOR THE SHUT. ALRIGHT. ROAD MAINTENANCE SPEED. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 2 MILLION FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. IS ANYBODY EDGE SCHMIDT? I DID EDGE SCHMIDT FUTURE NOT JUST TEMPORARY FIXES TO ME, I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THAT ON, BUT TO ME, I, AGAIN, I'D LIKE US TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT ALL. LIKE THAT WAS, THAT WAS ME. I PUT THAT ONE ON THERE. LIKE JUST, WE'RE JUST KIND OF, WE HAD THAT GARVER CITY I THINK IT WAS. AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE JUST KIND OF PICKED TWO THINGS OUT OF, I MEAN I GUESS WE CAN'T DO IT ALL, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDING THAT OTHER LANE GOING NORTH TO EXPAND IT, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST RIGHT TURN LANES. JUST KIND OF THINKING I GUESS END GAME WITH THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT'S REALLY SERVING 79 UP TO LEER. RIGHT. HEAVILY. SORRY. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK I'D LIKE US TO SEE, I'VE TALKED TO JAMES ABOUT THIS A LOT IS THE, THE PRIORITIZATION PER REASON. IF WE WERE TO PUT A FRONT END ROAD IN MADE LEER LOOP, LET'S SAY WE COULD SOMEHOW MAKE LIMBER LOOP IN THREE YEARS, BE A FULL INTERCHANGE, WELL THEN ALL THE PEOPLE ON ONE 30 INSTEAD OF EXITING 79 GOING EAST ON 79 NORTH ON, ON LIMBER OR I MEAN NORTH ON IN SCHMIDT ALL OF A SUDDEN EXIT LIMBER AND GO DOWN LIMBER. EXACTLY. AND SO THEN WE COULD GO OUT AND SPEND $10 MILLION WIDENING THE ROAD THAT THEN WHEN WE HAD THE FRONT EDGE ROADS ALL OF A SUDDEN. WHY'D YOU GUYS YEAH, I DO THINK IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER FOR SURE. BECAUSE I MEAN IF WE CAN KICK THOSE PEOPLE UP ONTO LIMBER TO HEAD OUT AND KICK THEM OFF OF EDGE SCHMIDT TO JUST EDGE SCHMIDT SERVING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT AREA OR HAVE THEIR BUSINESS. YEAH, I AGREE. WELL, BOTH ROADS BACK UP. BOTH ROADS LOOK LIKE THEY EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE FOUR LANE ROADS, NOT TWO LANE ROADS, BUT THE ORDER THAT YOU DO THEM IN AND, AND IF YOU IMPROVE ONE, YOU JUST CREATE MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN THE OTHER ONE AT THE SAME TIME. I MEAN, FIGURING THAT OUT, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF MATT'S JOB TOO IS HELPING US FIGURE OUT HOW THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA WORK WITH THAT AND, AND UH, WHAT THE RIGHT ORDER IS TO, TO DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE. TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, 2 MILLION FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. I DON'T KNOW, 2 MILLION SEEMS LOW TO ME, BUT I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR YEAH. WAS THAT MAINTENANCE OR IMPROVEMENTS I WAS ASKING. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. WHOEVER WROTE THAT I WONDER. I THINK THEY MEANT ROAD MAINTENANCE MAINTENANCE. I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT MEANT TOO. YEAH. OH, OKAY. AND WE BUDGETED 1.5 THIS YEAR. 1.3 I THINK IS, OR 2003, BUT THERE WAS SOME SHIFT OVER FROM THE RECONSTRUCTION THAT TECHNICALLY COUNTED. SO I THINK IT'S A NET OF LIKE 1.5 IS WHERE WE'RE SITTING AT RIGHT NOW. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW, I WOULDN'T PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE THAT'S COST ESCALATED AND WE KNOW WHAT THE UH, ORDER OF THINGS SHOULD BE. I MEAN, WHEN STAFF WRITES A BUDGET, THEY HAVE TO SAY BASED ON THE NEXT PHASE WE'RE DOING NEXT YEAR IT'S 1.8 MILLION, IT'S 2.6 OR WHATEVER. UH, YOU JUST SAY DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO ME. THEY'RE ARBITRARILY DOING THINGS THAT, BUT YEAH. SO, UM, SO THESE, THESE ITEMS THAT ARE EFFECTIVELY MAINTENANCE ARE RIGHT. SO THE 2 MILLION NUMBER, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT A RANDOM NUMBER. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IF MEMORY SERVES, I THINK THE PROPOSAL WAS IF WE FULLY FUNDED THE, THE MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE FIVE YEARS, IT WAS ROUGHLY TWO OR $2.1 MILLION A YEAR IF, IF MEMBER SERVES. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS MEANT TO BE MAINTENANCE. I THINK RANDALL MAYBE PUT THAT WAY BECAUSE HE'S A NUMBERS [00:20:01] AND HE LOVED THAT DATA DRIVEN STUFF THAT WE HAD THAT THAT WAS THE BREAK EVEN THAT WAS SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S 2.1. YEAH. ROAD BOND NOW FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I'M ALL FOR ROAD BONDS. YOU GUYS KNOW MY VIEW. IF WE'RE SAY WE'RE GONNA GO SPEND 10 MILLION ON AN INTERSECTION, THEN WE SELL A ROAD BOND FOR THAT. AND I'LL NEVER SUPPORT, PERSONALLY WE NEED 150 MILLION FOR ROADS AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND IT LATER. 'CAUSE WE DID THAT FOR 75 MILLION AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. OH, THAT THIS MEANS GOING OUT FOR ROAD BOND, PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT. IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S MY VIEW ON ROAD BONDS IS, I KNOW IT'S A, IT PUTS EVERYBODY IN BOXES. BUT THEN THE PUBLIC COULD COME BACK AND SAY, THEN WE CAN COME BACK EACH EACH YEAR AND GO, WE ESTIMATED 8 MILLION COST INFLATION'S EIGHT AND A HALF. WE CAN BUDGET HALF A MILLION, USE 8 MILLION. BUT IF WE TELL PEOPLE WE'RE GONNA BUILD 10 ROADS AND AT THE END OF IT WE BUILT SIX AND WE SAY, WELL COST IN PLACE AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THAT ON THERE. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S STILL A GOOD IDEA TO PUT SOME PROJECTS FOR THE BOND AND . SO MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION THEN, WHEN DOES THIS BODY FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO HAVE THE PRELIMINARY WORK DONE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO ASK FOR ROAD BONDS TO BUILD THE NEXT TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS? CAN WE DO IT DURING THE GENERAL ELECTION SO WE CAN CAPTURE A BIGGER AUDIENCE MINIMUM ON NOVEMBER OR MAY? EITHER THE, OF THE SET DATES. I'D RATHER PROBABLY DO NOVEMBER. 'CAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SHOW, I'D SAY AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET IT FIGURED OUT. LIKE NOT FLASH AND SWAGS, LIKE GARBER WOULD DO, BUT LEGITIMATE, WE'VE GOT THIS THING, IT'S ABOUT 90% DESIGNED BECAUSE THERE'S, AGAIN, TO ME, IF WE'RE JUST NOW THINKING ABOUT DESIGNING A PROJECT, WE'RE JUST GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE $20 MILLION. I'M NOT INTO THAT. BUT IF IT'S A 90% OR A 60% PROJECT AND WE KNOW ROUGHLY IT'S GONNA COST 14 MILLION, THEN I THINK A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THAT. AND THEN WE CAN SELL VIOLENCE EVERY YEAR. AND I THINK IT IS, WE CAN SELL 'EM THREE YEARS AT A TIME, BUT TO ME, AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING AND PEOPLE SEE VALUE WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'LL VOTE FOR STUFF. YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WORTH TALKING ABOUT. ONE IS THE, IS THE VOTER AUTHORIZATION OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO LET THE, THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZE TO GO BUILD. AND THEN THERE'S THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZING ACTUAL SALES OF THE BONDS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT. SO YOU COULD HAVE MORE SWAGS FOR THE VOTE IF YOU WANTED TO, OR YOU COULD DO DESIGN AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN GO TO THE VOTE. EITHER WAY, WHICHEVER ONE Y'ALL FEEL IS MORE APPROPRIATE. THE, THE, THE DOWNSIDE TO SWAGING IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. YOU, YOU COULD BE WAY OFF YOUR NUMBERS COULD BE WRONG. YOU, YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA DO 10 ROADS, YOU END UP WITH FIVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EXAMPLES. THE OTHER, THE OTHER UH, DOWNSIDE TO UH, TO DESIGNING THEM FIRST IS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ROADS COULD BE EIGHT, $10 MILLION JUST TO DESIGN IF THEY'RE REALLY EXPENSIVE ROADS. SOME OF 'EM MAY BE 500,000. SO AS IF, AS LONG AS YOU CAN MANAGE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY, YOU CAN DO THE DESIGN AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH IS MY PREFERENCE. I PERSONALLY AS A MANAGER PREFER THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED THE ROAD THAT WE WANT TO BUILD. WE KNOW THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE NEED AND WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF COST AND THEN WE ASK FOR IT TO BE PAID FOR. I PREFER THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT BECAUSE YOU NEED THE BOND MONEY TO PAY FOR THE DESIGN. SO THE OTHER ASPECT IS BEING AS ACCURATE AND AS HONEST AS WE CAN BE ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX IMPACT OF THOSE BOND MEASURES. RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S PAST HISTORY OF FLAGGING THAT AND BEING WAY OFF ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO THE RESIDENTS. SO YEAH, I'D LIKE US TO FOLLOW WHAT THE ISD HAS TO FOLLOW. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE STATE WILL MAKE THE ISD DO IT ONE WAY AND THEN THE CITY SIDE ANOTHER. YOU MEAN WHEN IT GOES TO THE BALLOT SAYING THAT IT'S THIS MUCH OF AN IMPACT, IT'S A TAX INCREASE. THIS IS AN ESTIMATED BLAH BLAH BLAH INCREASE. THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON. YOU CAN DO THAT. UM, BUT IT'S UNCOMMON FOR CITIES TO DO IT. BUT THE ISD WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE FORCED TO DO IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S STATE PICKING ON ONE GROUP VERSUS THE OTHER. OKAY. WELL YOU GOTTA REMEMBER TOO, IF YOU GET TOO SPECIFIC IN YOUR BOND LANGUAGE GOING OUT TO THE VOTERS, THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU AS A COUNCIL TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU REALIZE, WOW, THIS ROAD IS NO LONGER NEEDED. WE NEED TO DO THIS ROAD, THEN YOU CAN'T SWITCH IT. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO AND BUILD A DIFFERENT ROAD. AND SO YOU REALLY LIMIT THE COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, REACTIVE TO LIFE CHANGES. SO, SO THERE IS A DRAWBACK THERE TO WHERE KINDA, BUT YOU JUST DON'T ISSUE THOSE BONDS AND YOU CAN TELL THE PUBLIC, I MEAN IMAGINE IF THE CITY WENT TO THE PUBLIC [00:25:01] AND SAID, LOOK, THIS $10 MILLION WE ACTUALLY DON'T NEED ANYMORE. SO COMING UP THIS NOVEMBER WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT MEASURE. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA WHATEVER IT'S CALLED WHERE YOU DON'T ISSUE THOSE 10 MILLION. INSTEAD WE WANNA DO 11 MILLION FOR A NEW ROAD. I MEAN, TO ME THAT WOULD BE UNHEARD OF FOR THE GO GOVERNMENT TO BE THAT TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY DO NOW IS, WELL WE SAID WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT, WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE ROADS TO BE BUILT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT LIKE A WHOLE NEW DIFFERENT BOND GOING BACK? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHY WE DO BONDS EVERY ONE OR TWO YEARS, LIKE TWO YEARS AT A TIME. BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T EXPIRE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONFUSING AUTHORIZATION WITH SALES. NO, YOU'RE CONFUSING. ONCE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED. ONCE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED, THAT'S A GREEN FLAG FOR THE COUNCIL TO THEN TO THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEY LEFT FOR 10 YEARS. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE A EXPIRATION DATE. NO, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN STUFF THAT SAYS DG HAS SAID THAT 10 YEARS IS REALLY IT. SO THERE, THERE'S, I DON'T TELL THERE'S A TITLE LIMIT. THERE IS. OKAY. UM, BUT THE, THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT, THAT THE ONLY DOWNSIDE TO THAT, AND IF YOU'RE TALKING $10 MILLION, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS BOND THAT GOES UNUSED WHEN YOU GO FOR A NEW BOND, THE MARKET RATES YOU ON HOW MUCH YOU HAVE AUTHORIZED. SO THEY DON'T CARE THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO USE IT BECAUSE COUNCIL COULD CHANGE AND COULD GO AND AUTHORIZE THAT A HUNDRED SURE. TOMORROW. SO THE, OUR BOND RATING IS GONNA BE BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORIZED. SO YEAH, THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS, IS STAFF IS UNSURE OF A ROAD. DON'T BRING US A ROAD THAT UNLESS WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA NEED IT. 'CAUSE IF WE COME OUT TWO YEARS LATER AND GO, AH, WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T NEED THAT. WELL THEN, BUT THAT'S NOT THE EXAMPLE THAT I USED. SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE SPINE ROAD, WE WANTED TO USE BOND MONEY FOR THE SPINE ROAD. IF WE WERE SO SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO AND WE SAID WE'RE GONNA BUILD THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD, THIS ROAD AND THIS ROAD, AND WE DID THAT IN THE BOND LANGUAGE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUND THE SPINE ROAD BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO SHIFT SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THE BOND AUTHORIZATION TO SAY, OKAY, NOW THERE'S A NEW ROAD THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO USE BOND MONEY FOR THIS. NOW WE'RE GONNA SHIFT MONEY OVER HERE, TAKE OUT THE ADDITIONAL 20 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ROAD. NOW WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IF WE WERE SO SPECIFIC. AND I WOULD SAY IF WE DID A BETTER JOB AS A COUNCIL AND AS GOVERNMENT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A $20 MILLION ROAD JUST SPRING UP ON US AT THE LAST MINUTE. WE WOULD'VE HAD PROPER PREPARATION. WE'VE BEEN, WOULD'VE BEEN DOING DEALS, WE WOULD'VE HAD THE THING ALREADY ENGINEERED. THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ALL SEVEN OF US AND JAMES AND HIS PEOPLE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB TO PLAN FOR THIS BECAUSE WE THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, A $20 MILLION ROAD JUST SPRUNG UP ON US AND WE HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT. AND I DON'T THINK WHEN WE'RE PLANNING FOR ALL THE THINGS WE GOTTA DO, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT SPRING UP. PERSONALLY. WE SHOULD HAVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR EXPENSE CAME UP DUE TO A FLOOD OR WHATEVER A ROAD GOT WASHED OUT. NOT, OH, WE DID ALL THESE ECONOMIC DEALS AND NOW WE NEED $20 MILLION TO BUILD A ROAD. IN A PERFECT WORLD. I AGREE WITH YOU. SO, SO TO NOW WE HAVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT THING HAPPENING WITH THE AVERY, LATE PHASE ONE AND TWO BEING MOVED INTO THE CIP. SO THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE WEREN'T PLANNING ON DOING THAT IN THE CIP WHEN WE ISSUED, WHEN Y'ALL AUTHORIZED THE MONEY. BUT NOW BECAUSE OF PRIORITIES AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING IT. SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT CAN BE GOOD. BUT TO TIE BACK TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, REALLY WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW FROM COUNCIL IS WHEN DO Y'ALL WANT TO SEE STAFF MOVING TO TARGET, HAVING INFORMATION READY FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE TO CALL ANOTHER BOND REFERENDUM BEFORE THE VOTERS? I WOULD SAY THIS NOVEMBER IS PROBABLY TOO EARLY. UM, WE WON'T HAVE THE DESIGN FINISHED UNTIL MUCH LATER FOR THE OVERPASS. THERE'S, BUT IF YOU WANNA DO A SMALLER PACKAGE THIS NOVEMBER, THERE ARE CERTAINLY ROADS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER. SO IF YOU WANT A BIG BOND PACKAGE, THAT'S PROBABLY A YEAR FROM NOW AT THE EARLIEST. IF YOU WANT A SMALLER BOND PACKAGE THERE MIGHT, THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS WE COULD PUT TOGETHER FOR NOVEMBER. SO WHAT DO Y'ALL PREFER? I I WOULD DO A SMALLER BOND PACKAGE AND OKAY. DID THE REST OF THE COUNCIL NO, I'D RATE, I DO IT THE OTHER WAY. I'D WAIT AND DO IT, HAVE IT THOUGHT OUT AND HAVE IT PLANNED OUT. DO A BIGGER ONE LATER. BUT YOU HAVE A THOUGHT OUT ON SMALLER ONES. I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE, HE COULD HAVE $50 MILLION IN PROJECTS COME UP THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY . I FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. SO I JUST, AND AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MARK FOWLER, HE, HE RECOMMENDED AGAINST THAT APPROACH. HE RECOMMENDED GOING FOR THE BIGGER ONE AND HE GAVE THE REASONS IN HIS EMAIL THAT HE SENT TO US AND HE LAID 'EM OUT AND SAID, HERE'S, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE DRAWBACKS OF DOING IT ONE WAY. HERE'S THE DRAWBACKS OF DOING IT THE OTHER WAY. AND IN GENERAL IT'S BETTER TO DO IT AS A BIGGER ONE THAT'S MORE GENERAL SO THAT YOU HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. YEAH. ESPECIALLY WHENEVER IT COMES TO ROADS BIGGER, IT'S GONNA BE COSTLY, [00:30:01] HONESTLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT IT'S GONNA DO. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD BE WORKING ON AND WE'RE GONNA DELAY SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA WAIT TILL MAY, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO SOMETHING IN NOVEMBER. SO I NEED, I NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I CAN MAKE THAT. YEAH. I GUESS PERS AND CONS. YEAH. OKAY. I GUESS LIKE HOW MANY PROJECTS YOU CAN GET DONE IF WE FUNDED THEM IN JANUARY, WE FUNDED THEM IN OR NOVEMBER VOTERS AUTHORIZE THEM IN NOVEMBER AND YOU WOULDN'T FUND THEM UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO ISSUE THE DEBT. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BE ISSUING DEBT IN MARCH AND KICKING OFF PROJECTS THAT'S IN THE SPRING SEASON, PARTICULARLY IF IT COMPLETED YES. IN TIME FOR, FOR ALL THAT. SO, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE COMPLETE, THEN IT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT YEAR. THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RUSHED. SO, SO I'M HEARING BRING US MORE DATA IN THE SUMMER BEFORE OUR DEADLINE TO NOVEMBER BALLOT IS HERE TO DECIDE. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE COULD CAPTURE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF POTO RESIDENTS TOO IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION COMING UP. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT, THOSE KIND OF TACTICS TOO. NEXT YEAR I THINK IT MORE VOTERS WILL PROBABLY COME OUT NEXT YEAR, BUT IT'LL BE A VERY SMALL PORTION OF PEOPLE STILL IN THE MAY ELECTION. BUT IF WE DO NOVEMBER, WE HAVE TO DO A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE EDUCATING THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THE UNDER VOTE SKYROCKET IN CITY MEASURES WHEN YOU DO A NOVEMBER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING AND THEY'RE VOTING FOR THEIR PRESIDENT, THEY'RE VOTING FOR THE SENATOR AND THEN THE REST OF 'EM, THEY'D BE BLANK AND THEN THEY'D WALK OUT. YEAH, TRUE. BECAUSE WE DID, I WAS IN A NOVEMBER ELECTION. YEAH. AND THE UNDERGOES WERE IN THE THOUSANDS. YEAH. BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING THERE WITHOUT EVEN ANTICIPATING LOOKING AT CITY STUFF. SO I THINK THAT IF WE DO THAT, WHICH I'M FINE WITH, WE NEED TO REALLY, REALLY OVER EDUCATE, OVER COMMUNICATE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS KNOW THIS IS ON THE BALLOT. YOU NEED TO GO WITH THIS IN MIND. OKAY, THAT THOMPSON, WE COULD NOW TAKE ACTION IF SOMEONE THEY WANNA TAKE ACTION, UH, COMMUNITY RECREATION, FOCUS ON ADDING OR IMPROVE THE THINGS TO DO CATEGORIES IN HUDDLE. OH, BUT NO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS IS, I DUNNO WHAT THAT MEANS. SO I WOULD INTERPRET THAT TO BE A, A EMPHASIS ON THE, FROM THE COUNCIL TO THE STAFF TO BE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL, LIKE MORE ENTERTAINMENT, MORE EVO TYPE THINGS. RECRUITING IT, RECRUITING ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES, UM, HOSTING ENTERTAINMENT THINGS, ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS. I MEAN IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS, EVENTS, PARADES, UM, THAT THINGS TO DO TO ME INCLUDE LIKE MOST OF LIKE THOSE SORTS OF ACTIVITIES. LIKE THERE'S A NEW BAR IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE THE ONE BAR. THAT'S A THING TO DO THAT'S A BUSINESS. EVO OBVIOUSLY IS A THING TO DO BUSINESS. UM, BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A NEW FESTIVAL OR THE PARADE OR WHATEVER ELSE. THOSE ARE THINGS TO DO AS WELL. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PRIORITIZE AND IMPROVING LIKE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO RECREATE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST IN PARKS, THEN THAT WOULD BE A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. WELL, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A STRATEGIC THING FOR THE CITY TO DO. I MEAN WE HAVE THE, UH, DIRECTORS OF CHAOS, WE HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT EVENTS ON. WE SHOULD MAYBE HELP STREAMLINE TO GET THE ABILITY FOR EVENTS TO BE HERE. LIKE THE TEQUILA FESTIVAL COULDN'T BE HERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT. BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK WE OUGHT HAVE STAFF SPENDING THEIR TIME WORKING ON HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET ANOTHER FESTIVAL WHEN IF WE HAVE LOW BARRIERS TO ENTRY, PEOPLE SHOULD COME HERE. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT ROADBLOCKS UP TO STOP IT. GOT THAT ONE. WE DEVELOP A PLAN TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN. IF I HAVE AN OBJECTION WITH, SO MY, MY OBJECTION IS THAT WE, WE JUST DID THAT A YEAR AGO, , WE HAD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PART OF THAT WAS THE EDC PAID EXTRA MONEY TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN PLAN AS PART OF THAT. AND SO WE NEED TO START FROM THAT PLAN. NOW, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU WANNA EDIT IT, YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTIONS FROM IT, YOU WANNA MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT TO SAY WE WANT TO GO DEVELOP A PLAN WHEN WE JUST PAID SIX FIGURES FOR ONE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT . SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING WHAT WE HAVE AND GOING FORWARD. WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THIS BUDGET HERE, WHICH INCLUDE THE, UM, THE DOWNTOWN ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS RELATIVELY RECENT [00:35:01] WHENEVER THEY CAME TO TOWN TO DO THEIR INTERVIEWS AND WHAT WHATNOT. THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UH, FINANCIAL ASSESSMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT'S GOING ON THIS, THIS CURRENT YEAR RIGHT NOW TOO, LOOKING AT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT COST TO DELIVER SERVICES WITH THE DENSITY AND THE VALUES AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE ALSO ONGOING. SO YEAH, FOR ME THIS IS LIKE DE DEVELOPER DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPER OR YOU KNOW, JUST PRIVATE INVESTMENT. SO MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE REVIEW WHAT ARE DOWNTOWN PLAN IS IN THAT STUDY. WELL, YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD BE REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN, RIGHT? YOU WANNA DO IT DO YOU WANT TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN? NO. YEAH. SO, AND THEN OF COURSE THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE MEETINGS AND THE WORKSHOPS AND WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SUPPORT THAT. SO THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC IN DEVELOPING A PLAN. BUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER PLAN RELATED ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONGOING THAT'LL BE DELIVERED SOON. SO THEN THE NEXT THING WOULD BE TO TAKE ALL THAT DATA AND THEN TO DECIDE IF THE, IF THE PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN, THAT GOES INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THEN WE BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND THEN Y'ALL DECIDE WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW IT LOOKS AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO OR NOT DO. SO MAYBE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NOT A NEW PLAN IN TERMS OF FUNDING. MAYBE IT'S TAKEN ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND US ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH SOME KIND OF THE IMPLEMENTATION. WELL I HAD ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, AN AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVEN'T SCHEDULED YET OF REVIEWING WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THIS TO ME WOULD BE PART OF THAT IS WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THIS AND 'CAUSE THEN THAT, THAT WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AND IF WE WANNA SAY, OH THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OR WHAT ABOUT THIS IDEA, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY TWEAK IT, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND WHAT'S ON THE LIST AND GIVE DIRECTION BASED ON THAT TOO. ALRIGHT. ADD NEW YMCA BUILDING TO THE LONG-TERM PLAN. I THINK IT'S ALREADY ON THE CIP RIGHT? FOR ME THIS IS LIKE A FIVE TO 10 YEAR INCREASING PARK LAND ACREAGE. THIS ONE WAS MINE. I MEAN, I, I AGREE. WE NEED TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. YEAH, I MEAN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE, WE AGREE NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE CITY AT SOME POINT IS A SPORTS COMPLEX SOMEWHERE AND GETTING A PIECE OF LAND THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. AND THAT COULD BE THROUGH, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN PURCHASING IT. UM, THAT COULD BE DONATED THROUGH THE PARKS FOUNDATION. THAT COULD BE A TRADE WITH A DEVELOPER. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT STUFF GOING ON WITH COTTONWOOD. THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WORK OUT DEALS. THERE'S THERE'S WAYS TO DO IT. SO WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND LOOK AT THEM AND, AND FIND SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO GRAB SOME LAND THAT'S NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE KNOWING THAT DURANGO IS OUR ONLY THREE ACRE PIECE THAT IS NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN IS SO THEN THE STRATEGIC PLAN WOULD BE INCREASED NON FLOODPLAIN PARKLAND ANCHORAGE, IF THAT'S FAIR. NO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. I, I MEAN, INCREASING FLOOD FLOODPLAIN IS NOT A TERRIBLE THING BECAUSE THAT'S NATURAL PARK PLAN TOO. BUT, BUT WE, SO I THINK WE NEED BOTH. WE NEED SOME THAT IS NOT FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEN, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY DON'T INCREASE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO HOW I WOULD INTERPRET THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF INCREASING NON FLOODPLAIN PARKLAND ACREAGE WOULD BE TO BE PURPOSEFUL IN TRYING TO ACQUIRE OR RECEIVE LAND THAT IS OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAN. YEAH. I PARKLAND AC ACREAGE WITH FOCUS ON THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WITH FOCUS OF FINDING LIKE A PRO A PRIME SPOT. SO MOST OF THE TRAILS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DO THAT'S GONNA BE FLOODPLAIN. SO HOW MUCH MONEY HAS THE FOUNDATION RAISED TO DATE? I'M GUESSING IT'S ZERO. AS FAR AS I KNOW IT'S ZERO. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK WE REALLY , BUT, BUT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THEY CAN GET MONEY BUT THEY CAN ALSO TAKE A LAND DONATION BECAUSE WHOEVER DONATES THE WRITE THAT OFF AS A DONATION AND THE FULL VALUE OF THE LAND. SO THAT HAS POTENTIAL BENEFIT TOO. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO RIGHT. BE LOOKING TO WORK. I JUST WONDER IF THEY'RE BEING PROACTIVE, IF THEY'RE BEING REACT, IF THEY'RE JUST WAITING , I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S A FUNDRAISING EXPERT ON THE FOUNDATION. IF WE HAD SOMEBODY WHO HAS THAT SKILLSET AND CONNECTION INSTEAD, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO ADD TO IT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M WORRIED. RIGHT. NOT, NOT A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE THOUGH. RIGHT. I, OUR OFFICE FORMED FOR THE CITY, THE FOUNDATION AND THEY DID MEET. YEAH, NO, THEY, THEY HAVE MEETINGS [00:40:01] BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AS FAR AS I KNOW. RIGHT. AND THEY HAVEN'T RAISED ANY MONEY. THEY HAVEN'T HAD EVENTS OR GONE OUT AND GOTTEN ANYBODY TO GIVE THEM CHECKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT TYPICALLY THE RULE IS THE DEVELOPER GIVES THEM THE LAND, THEY HOLD IT FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN THEY GET THE TAX BENEFIT AND THEN IT GOES OKAY. WHERE SO BUT THEY HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, WHAT YOU SAID PROACTIVELY WORK THAT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND OF COURSE THEY CAN'T GIVE TAX ADVICE. WELL CAN WE? BUT WE SET UP THE MECHANISM FOR IT. MM-HMM. NICE THAT WE ARE THE DEVELOPERS, THE MORE WILLING THEY ARE TO GIVE STUFF AWAY, STEP THAT OUT THERE. WELL, AND IT'S ONE THING, LIKE IF THEY GIVE LAND TO THE CITY, THEY DON'T GET THE SAME BENEFIT IF AS IF THEY GIVE IT TO A 5 3 1 DONE WITH FIRE CITIES, YOU HAD TO, YOU'D GO TO THE PARKS FOUNDATION SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE BENEFIT, THE TAX BENEFIT CITY RECREATION BUILDING WITH INDOOR POOL USING 2018 BONDS. YES. SO WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE A CITY MAINTAINED AND RUN REC BUILDING IN ADDITION TO A NEW YMCA. TO ME IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A REC BUILDING AND, AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION WHO MANAGES IT, RIGHT? YEAH. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS OUGHT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC AS A SPECIFIC ITEM OF HOW YOU DO THAT ON STRATEGIC, BUT PUT THE DEBATE TO THE END. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE AND IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA, PEOPLE GONNA FEEL IT. IF WE JUST MAKE THE DECISION THEN, THEN EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA WANT IT. BUT WE PUT IT OUT THERE AND TELL 'EM WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COST YEARLY. UM, I DON'T CARE HOW IT'S PAID FOR IT, IT'S ITS OWN BOMB THING. AND IT DOESN'T COME OUT 2018 PERSONALLY. BUT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH A REC BUILDING INDOOR POOL, UM, TAYLOR'S IMPROVING THEIR FACILITIES. ROUND ROCK IS IMPROVING THEIR FACILITIES AND OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ROUND ROCK ENOUGH THAT ROUND ROCK'S EVEN STARTING TO CHARGE, WHAT DID THEY SAY, JAMES? JUST FOR THE LIBRARY, $120 A YEAR. $120 A YEAR FOR OUT CITY SERVICE PEOPLE TO USE THEIR LIBRARY BECAUSE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR FACILITIES AND, AND I COULD SEE THEM DOING AT THE PARKS OR ANYTHING 'CAUSE THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY BUILDING STUFF. WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE, WITH THE POPULATION. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, I MEAN PEOPLE ARE GONNA START GOING TO OTHER PLACES AND THEN BY THAT TIME WE'LL WANT TO COME AROUND AND DO SOMETHING AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE WILL BE HERE TO SUPPORT IT IS THE TIME CHECK AT 6 42. YEAH. WE'LL JUST FINISH THIS ONE CATEGORY. I THINK LIVE OAK. WE'LL JUST COMBINE THESE TWO HERE IN LIVE OAK SIDEWALKS AND UPDATES. WELL I GUESS FOR ME THIS IS ALREADY GOING SO, AND OLD TOWN SIDEWALKS AND I WOULD ADD LIVE OAK SIDEWALKS IN WITH OLD TOWN SIDEWALKS LIKE 1660. YEAH. IS IT A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS IN DOWNTOWN? SO THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT I ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC WORKSHOP FOCUSED ON OLD TOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT FIXING THE ROADS AND YOU CAN'T JUST PUT SIDEWALKS IN, YOU GOTTA DO THE DRAINAGE IF YOU'RE DOING THE SIDEWALKS. MM-HMM. . AND SO THAT BECOMES A BIG PROJECT AND TO DO THAT FOR ALL OF OLD TOWN. MM-HMM. IS ONE OF THE MOST, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE PROJECTS WE HAVE AS A CITY. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT STRATEGICALLY WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO TACKLE THAT WHERE MAYBE YOU FIX SOME ROADS WITHOUT THAT AND YOU AND YOU STRATEGICALLY YEAH. BUILD OUT THAT OVER TIME. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TACTICAL ASPECT? YEAH. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS IT AN, IS IT A PRIORITY OF THIS COUNCIL TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS IN NO TOWN OR NOT? WELL, IF WE SAY THAT IT IS AND THEN WE SAY WE'VE GOT A 20 YEAR PLAN, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S A PRIORITY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS FAIR BEFORE WE CLAIM THAT IT'S A PRIORITY. WELL I, YEAH, I, AND I WOULD CHANGE IT TO BE MOBILITY IN FAIR. FAIR. THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA SAY JUST SIDEWALKS AND WE GO, OKAY, WE DID SIDEWALKS, WE'RE DONE. IT IS GONNA COST 10 MILLION. EVERYBODY'S GONNA SAY, WHY DIDN'T YOU FIX THE ROADS? BUT TO ME, THIS WASN'T MY LANGUAGE. NO, NO. YEAH. I MEAN I WOULD CHANGE IT TO BE LIKE AN OVERALL MOBILITY OF OLD TOWN BECAUSE TO DAN'S POINT, WHENEVER YOU DO FOR MOBILITY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIX THE DRAINAGE TO DO IT. SO THAT'S LIKE AN AUTOMATIC FIX. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN OLD TOWN SHOULD EXPECT US TO HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOING TO TAKE INTO THAT. BUT IF WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE'RE DOING A ROAD EVERY OR A COUPLE BLOCKS EVERY YEAR, THEN AT LEAST WE COULD SAY WERE, WELL LIKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU, YOU MAYBE DO SOME OF THE DRAINAGE AND, AND THE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, ONE STREET AT A TIME, BUT YOU GOTTA BE PAVING THE ROADS, RIGHT? YEAH. TO GET THEM IN BETTER SHAPE ALSO. SO BECAUSE THE, THE UPSIDE OF THAT IS YOU MAY ONLY FIX, YOU MAY ONLY DO THE SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE ON ONE ROAD, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO AND PAVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES AS MANY OTHER ROADS BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST PAVING THEM, KEEPING THEM GOING FOR FIVE, 10 YEARS. RIGHT. SO THAT YOU HAVE MORE TIME. SO OLD TOWN MOBILITY IN OR OUT AS A, AS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. [00:45:02] THE IN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT YEAH WE NEED TO GET STARTED EVEN IF IT'S LEVEL UP. LEVEL UP. I HEARD THAT. FLAT. FLAT NOW. YEAH. YOU HAD A LEVEL UP. ALRIGHT, WELL WE GOT A COUPLE MORE MINUTES HERE. WE'VE GOT , GOVERNMENT ETHICS, BUDGET AND FINANCE TAKES SOME. CAN WE JUST AGREE THAT LIKE ON BUDGET PLANS INSTEAD OF HAVING INDIVIDUAL THINGS, I THINK OUR FOCUS OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING ABOUT, WE JUST HAD TO BE MAYBE MORE, HOW DO YOU SAY IT? LIKE MORE RESOURCEFUL AND UM, AND JUST GREAT STEWARDS OF THE MONEY. YES. NONE OF THESE ITEMS PARTICULARLY STRUCK ME AS AS STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. UM, MAYBE YEAH. I MEAN THE, THE FIRST TWO WERE MINE AND IT'S JUST OPERATING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. IT'S NOT STRATEGY. SO MAYBE Y'ALL NEED TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT YOUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES FOR BUDGET FINANCE, IF ANY. RIGHT. UH, TO BE INCLUDED. SO, BUT COLLABORATION DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME. CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAINED THIS OR AI THING? CITY ADOPTION AI. I'M GUESSING THAT WAS RANDALL. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A FAIR GUESS. TO ME. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD JUST ESTABLISH A POLICY. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S EASY THINGS TO DO WITH AI. THERE'S ALSO RISK WITH AI IF YOU JUMP IN AND TO ME IT'S LIKE POWER TOOLS, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT POWER TOOLS NOW YOU GET A TABLE SAW. IF YOU TOUCH IT WITH YOUR FINGER, IT'LL STOP DEAD. YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARDER. IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO CHOP YOUR FINGER OFF WITH IT WITH A POWER TOOL. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, 40 YEARS AGO THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THERE WEREN'T GUARDS ON SAWS. YOU COULD, YOU COULD TAKE A LIMB OFF. AND TO ME THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH AI IS YOU CAN DO A LOT WITH IT AND IT'S A POWERFUL TOOL AND YOU NEED TO USE IT SOMEWHAT, BUT YOU GOTTA BE MINDFUL THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LIMB OFF WITH IT AND YOU CAN GET YOURSELF IN A LOT OF TROUBLE IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH IT. SO DOES THE CITY COUNCIL WANT TO EXPRESS THE STAFF AND THAT WE EMPHASIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY. YEAH. YEAH. NO, YEAH. I, I THINK, I THINK SAYING YOU SHOULD PUT SOME GUIDELINES ON THE USE OF IT, BUT NOT MAKE IT A STRATEGY. I THINK THAT'S, I AGREE WITH, WITH CUSTOMER THOMPSON. I WOULD RATHER OTHER CITIES WITH MORE RESOURCES SPEND THEIR TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY FIGURING OUT WHAT WORKS AND DOESN'T. AND WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS, THEN WE CAN COME IN AND GO, HEY, WE SAW THIS NEW PROGRAM AND FOR X AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT WELL, LIKE THERE'S NO BRAIN. LIKE YOU HAVE A TEAMS MEETING AND YOU GET A TRANSCRIPT AND YOU CAN GET A SUMMARY OF THE TRANSCRIPT FROM AI. YEAH. AND THAT'S A POWERFUL THING. YOU STILL SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND EDIT IT, BUT, BUT IT A LOT OF EFFORT AND A VERY EASY THING. BUT YEAH, THE, THE DIFFERENCE OF IT BEING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN OR NOT IS IF IT'S ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEN I ASK THE QUESTION, IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS WITH AI WHENEVER SOMETHING NEW IS PRESENTED TO ME? OR HOW ARE WE INCORPORATING AI INTO THIS WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO ME? IF IT IS NOT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I DON'T ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT PERHAPS THE AI ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ANYWAY. I THINK PUT THAT IN YOUR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY CATEGORY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES, RIGHT. IF YOU COULD DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH AI THAN THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD IF AI CAN HELP THEIR DEPARTMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING THAT SAY ANYTHING POPS OUT THAT WE GOT A NEXT TWO, THREE MINUTES PLEASE BUILDING GUESS GO ONGOING. I GUESS LIKE JUST WITH THE STUDY. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING GUESS PLEASE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ENACTMENT OF NEW PRIORITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED SO WE COULD SCRATCH THAT. I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THAT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE IT. THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF WAS THAT IT WAS JUST WHAT WE PUT IN THE PILLARS. BUT IF THEY'RE IN THE PILLARS, THEY'RE IN THE PILLARS. OH, GOTCHA. THAT'S DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ADDED. RIGHT. I DIDN'T PUT NO NEW IN THAT. ONE OF THOSE TWO IN THE BOTTOM OF MIND. THEY GOTTA BE ONE OF 'EM GOT. OH, GOTCHA. OH, ONE OF MINE WAS THIS PSA TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER CHALLENGES. UM, I I MEAN I THINK OF IT AS SOMETHING LIKE SUPER SIMPLE OF LIKE MAYBE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO. JUST BE INNOVATIVE I GUESS ABOUT YEAH, ABOUT HOW WE COMMUNICATE BECAUSE ALL THIS STUFF IS OUTTA SIGHT OUTTA MIND AND SO PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES WITH ALL OF THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER RESTRICTIONS AS WE GET TO THAT AND ALL THE WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP AND SO JUST SO THAT THEY'RE, IF IT EVEN SIMPLIFIES IT SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING HERE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMES TO WATER RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF JUST SO THAT THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING OF IT. SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A WHAT'S [00:50:01] GOING ON WITH THE CITY. IT'S LIKE WE'RE WORK, IT'S WORKING, WE'RE WORKING ON THESE THINGS. BE BROADER THAN THAT. I MEAN OVERALL CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION ON EVERYTHING. YEAH, WE COULD DO A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD JOB AND IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, LIKE STRATEGIC, EVERYBODY LOVES TO WATCH THE VIDEOS. TRANSPORTATION, BUT, BUT YOUR COMMUNICATION TO THE CITIZENS, RIGHT. WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEE, OKAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUSH UP THE CITIZENS AND EDUCATE THEM ON? SO YEAH. SO FOR THIS IT WOULD BE YOU, YOU WANT TO SEE IMPROVED COMMUNICATION TO THE EVERYDAY PERSON ABOUT WATER, WASTE WATER. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE. I WOULD MAKE SO RESTRICTIVE. I WOULD, I WOULD, I WAS TRYING TO WATER WASTE WATERS AND, AND YOU KNOW, CIP AND, AND I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH IT, WITH THE, THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, THERE'S, WE'VE BEEN PICKING A LOT OF THAT UP. YOU KNOW, I AGREE. IT IS LIKE THE LIMB OR LOOP PROJECT. I MEAN IF WE'RE CHANGING LANES WE OUGHT TO, OUGHT TO TELL PEOPLE. 'CAUSE I THINK THE OTHER DAY IT WAS DOWN TO ONE LANE OR SOMETHING AND SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHAT'S GOING ON? I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, PART OF THE ROAD THING. BUT I THINK LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, ARE A WHOLE LOT CLOSE TO THINGS JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON. ALRIGHT. 6 51, YOU GUYS OKAY? ADJOURN. ADJOURN. 6 51. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.