[Planning and Zoning on June 4, 2024.]
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ALL RIGHT, IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK AND WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2024 TO ORDER.
ALL RIGHT, FIRST IS ROLL CALL.
I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS, IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD ON APRIL 9TH, 2024.
4.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD ON MAY 7TH, 2024.
4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HU HUDDLE MEGA TECH CENTER, PRELIMINARY PLAT 1 7 3 0.995 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND NINE LOTS LOCATED ON US, HIGHWAY 79 AND WEST OF FM 33 49 AND 4.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED GOAL OF PHASE THREE FINAL PLAT, 21.838 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 131 LOTS LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOUR THREE AND FOUR FOUR.
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOUR, TWO.
ANY OBJECTIONS ON THOSE BEING PULLED? NO.
THEN WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA 4.1.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.1.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEM 4.1.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
5 0 4 0.2 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD ON MAY 7TH, 2024.
UH, YEAH, THE I ONLY, UH, QUESTION IS, THIS WAS BACK ON MAY 7TH, SO I ASSUME SOMETHING WASN'T CORRECT.
WE, WE APPROVED OR AGREED WITH EVERYTHING IN THERE.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT THAT ONE ITEM IS THAT KEPT DELAYING IT? AND HAS THAT BEEN CORRECTED? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MY NOTES THAT IT DELAYED.
WHAT? THIS IS THE MAY MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH.
ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.2.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WAY, EXCEPT, UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 7TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE.
5 0 4 0.3 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HOW TO MEGA TECH CENTER, PRELIMINARY PLAT 1 7 3 0.995 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND NINE LOTS LOCATED ON US HIGHWAY 79 AND WEST OF FM 33 49.
I ASK THAT THIS ONE BE PULLED SINCE IT IS A DENIAL AND I DID NOT WANT TO CONFUSE THE MINUTES APPROVING A DENIAL.
SO I THINK CLARITY MOVING FORWARD, UM, A SUGGESTION IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO THE MINUTES, EVEN IF IT'S IN A CONSENT AGENDA, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THE MINUTES SAY THAT WE APPROVED THE DENIAL OF THIS.
EVEN IF IT'S WITHIN A CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH I BELIEVE CAN BE DONE RIGHT.
I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THIS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T SEE IT AND MAYBE I MISSED IT.
THE TIA THAT THEY DID, WHERE DID, WHAT STREETS DID THAT APPLY TO? DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, ASHLEY? OKAY.
UM, MOST OF THE STREETS THAT WOULD BE OVER THERE, THERE'D BE 33 49 US 79, BUT THAT WOULD ONLY
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WOULDN'T APPLY.AND THEN THE EAST WEST PORTION OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AND THEN LIKELY SOME OF THE NEW STREET THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS A SPLINE ROAD, ARE THEY INCLUDING COUNTY ROAD 1 99 IN THAT ASSESSMENT IS MY HOPE.
I'M GONNA CALL AN ENGINEER FOR HELP ON THAT ONE.
SORRY, I WAS IN ANOTHER WORLD.
I'M JUST QUESTIONING IF COUNTY ROAD 1 99 WAS INCLUDED.
WE'RE THINKING 33 49 1 32 79 WERE, BUT I'M QUESTIONING 1 99.
SO THIS IS FOR THE, UM, THE MEGASITE, THE UM, MEGA TECH CENTER PROJECT NAME SAYS HAGA HURO MEGA CENTER.
THE LOCATION IS LEFT BLANK HU ROADWAYS ARE LEFT TIA YET THERE ISN'T ONE THAT'S BEEN DONE YET.
MEGA TECH CENTER HAS NOT SUBMITTED A TIA YET.
ALRIGHT, SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.3.
UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DENIAL OF ITEM 4.3.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE DENIAL OF 4.3.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
NEXT IS ITEM 4.4 CONSIDERATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED GOAL OF PHASE THREE.
FINAL PLAT, 21.838 ACRES MORE OR LESS OF LAND 131 LOTS LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
AND AGAIN, I ASK THAT THIS BE PULLED FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON.
SO I WANT TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS THIS SINCE YOU PULLED IT.
UM, SO WE HAVE SEEN THIS SAME ONE MULTIPLE TIMES.
MM-HMM,
UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE REALLY ONLY THING MISSING WAS A COUPLE APPENDICES TO A PDF THAT ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY NOW BEEN APPROVED.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I DO, I CAN LIST OUT, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THE APPENDICES ON THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO FINALIZE THEIR PARK LAND, UM, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THEY WILL BE, UH, WITH THE BOARD NEXT WEEK.
I ALSO SEE ON PAGE 57, UH, A RED HIGHLIGHT TO PROVIDE A FEE.
YES, THERE IS A FEE THAT'S A STANDARD, UM, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THE STORMWATER.
UM, OKAY, SO TO CLARIFY, THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE STILL WAITING IS FINALIZE THE PARKLAND DEDICATION WITH PARK BOARDS AND DEPARTMENT AND THEN ENSURE, UM, A COUPLE APPENDICES ARE ADDED BACK IN THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF.
I BELIEVE THOSE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF.
UM, IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UM, ENSURE THAT THE DRAINAGE STUDY IS APPROVED PRIOR TO YOUR FINAL PLA RECORDS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 4.4? HAS THE FEE BEEN PAID? THE FEE DOES NOT GET PAID UNTIL RECORDATION.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 4.4.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM 4.4 TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS OF FINALIZING
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THE PARKLAND DEDICATION WITH THE PARKS BOARD AND DEPARTMENT AND VERIFYING THE DRAINAGE STUDIES APPROVED PRIOR TO PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT RECORDATION.I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS ITEM 4.4.
AND AGAIN, THOSE CONDITIONS WERE PARKLAND, DEDICATION, APPROVAL, AND APPENDICES INCLUSION.
UH, THAT, THAT'S MAINLY THE DRAINAGE STUDY.
THEY DON'T WANNA, UM, FIND THE HANDS OF ANOTHER BOARD.
SO IF IT'S A DEDICATION OR FEE OR SOME COMBINATION, IT WOULD JUST BE FINALIZE THE PARKLAND.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, FINALIZING THE PARKLAND I THINK WOULD BE FINE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 2 1 3 FM 1660 SOUTH 1.08 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED AT FM 1660 SOUTH AND EVANS STREET FROM OT DASH FOUR R, URBAN RESIDENTIAL TO OT DASH FOUR T TRANSITION.
THIS SITE IS UH, AS IT WAS JUST MENTIONED, APPROXIMATELY AN ACRE THAT IS COM UH, COMPRISED OF THREE LOTS THAT IS ORIGINALLY OUT OF THE HARRIS EDITION, WHICH IS A PLOT THAT WAS FROM 1893.
UH, THIS AREA WAS THEN INCLUDED IN THE 1911 INCORPORATION PLAT FOR HUDA.
UM, WHICH AS WE KNOW TODAY IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE 1960S AND THAT HOME STILL REMAINS ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED OT FOUR R OR URBAN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND SURROUNDING AREAS WERE ZONED TO OLD TOWN, UM, WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE SMART CODE IN 2009.
HERE'S THE ZONING MAP WITH THE ADJACENT ZONINGS.
UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE ONE JUST TO THE NORTH OF EVAN STREET.
SO IF YOU SEE, UM, THE THREE PARCELS, UM, SOUTH OF EVAN STREET THAT ARE, UH, B ONE OR THAT LIGHT RED COLORED THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH IS ONE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING.
UH, TO THE WEST YOU HAVE THAT OT FOUR R OR URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S A FOURPLEX TO THE NORTH.
YOU HAVE OT THREE RESIDENTIAL EAST B ONE AND SF ONE AND THE B ONE AND SF ONE IS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE THE B ONE AND SF ONE.
AND AGAIN, THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE SITE AT TWO 13 FM 1660 SOUTH FROM THAT OT FOUR R TO OT FOUR T TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL USES.
THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONING ALLOWS FOR, UH, MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL USES WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL USES, SUCH AS A BAKERY OR A DAYCARE WITH ONE TO SIX CHILDREN.
THE OT FOUR T UM, ZONING DISTRICT IS STILL ALLOWS FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IT'S GONNA ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE COMMERCIAL OPTIONS SUCH AS AN OFFICE, UH, RETAIL BEING NO MORE THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET PERSONAL AND BUSINESS, UH, SERVICE SHOP.
SO SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OT FOUR R AND OT FOUR T, THE OT FOUR R IS A MIX OF HOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, AND SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH LIMITED CORNER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
AND THEN THE OT FOUR T IS GONNA CONSIST OF A MORE OF A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT PROVIDES THAT TRANSITION, UM, TO THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
BOTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY SIMILAR FOR THE TWO, UM, DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
UM, ALTHOUGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SETBACKS AND LOCK COVERAGE, THEY'RE SLIGHTLY MORE RESTRICTIVE IN THAT OT FOUR T.
SO HERE ARE, UM, WE'VE LAID OUT THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE LAND USE, UM, CHART FOR THE PERMITTED USES IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, IT HAS BEEN, UH, DESIGNATED AS THE DOWNTOWN TRANSITION.
SO AGAIN, IT'S INTENDED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS AND OFFICES, UM, THAT KIND OF OCCURRED BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN CORE AND THE CO-OP.
AND EVENTUALLY THIS AREA IS ENVISIONED TO SEE A STRONG, UM,
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REINVENTION VIA MORE DENSITY AND HIGHER MIX OF USES.IN THE FUTURE, STAFF SENT OUT 129 NOTICES TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN A 600 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, TO DATE WE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES TO AN OBJECTION AND TWO IN FAVOR.
UM, WE'VE GIVEN YOU TWO EXTRA ONES THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, AFTER THE PACKET WAS PUBLISHED.
SO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IS INCOMPLIANT WITH THAT FUTURE LANE JUICE MAP.
SO THEREFORE STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FROM OT FOUR R TO OT FOUR T.
IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS, UM, HERE AS WELL.
IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, I WOULD, I'M CURIOUS WHY THE OWNER IS IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE.
SO CAN WE HAVE THE OWNER SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S ALSO A PUBLIC COMMENT TOO.
UH, PUB PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, LET US OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SEVEN 16 AND IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 5.1? COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM AND UH, LET US KNOW YOUR NAME.
I, I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, UH, I JUST, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER 'EM.
SO THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT WE RECEIVED INDICATED THAT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU'RE IN FAVOR AND NOT OPPOSED.
WELL, THE, THE PROPERTY'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR PROBABLY WELL OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
UH, THERE WAS A TWO STORY HOUSE THERE BEFORE THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE NOW.
MY PARENTS BUILT THE HOUSE THAT'S ON IT NOW AND IF I COULD, I'D DEVELOP SOMETHING THERE MYSELF, BUT I JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS OR THE, OR THE ENERGY ANYMORE.
BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE IT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HU I'M, I WAS A LIFETIME HUDDLE UNTIL I GRADUATED COLLEGE AND I MOVED ALL THE WAY TO ROUND ROCK
I WENT TO SCHOOL AT HU STARTED IN ONE END OF THAT SCHOOL AND THEY KICKED ME OUT OF THE OTHER THAT BACK WHEN WE ONLY HAD ONE, ONE BUILDING.
SO, UM, MY FATHER RAN THE WATER WATERWORKS HERE IN HU FOR RIGHT AT 40 YEARS.
I READ EVERY WATER METER IN THIS TOWN, WENT BACK, BACK IN THE DAY AND WHATNOT.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH HUDDLE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT CORNER BE SOMETHING BENEFICIAL TO, TO THE CITY.
AND UH, AND MY OWN PERSONAL WISHLIST WOULD BE A NAMED HU STROM SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE.
THAT'D BE UP TO THE WHOEVER TAKES ON THIS PROJECT, BUT, UH, I DON'T, I'D RATHER SEE SOMETHING BUSINESS WISE THAT WOULD GENERATE TAX MONEY FOR THE CITY THAN, THAN HOUSING THAT JUST PUTS MORE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND DOESN'T GENERATE A BUNCH OF MONEY, TAX REVENUE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WELL I'VE SEEN THAT ALL MY LIFE BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THE SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY, NOBODY HAD ANY MONEY, CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST LIKE TO SEE IT DO SOMETHING GOOD.
IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF HANDS TIED AT THE MOMENT WITH THE, THE HISTORIC AND THE ZONING THE WAY IT IS FOR ANYTHING TO DEVELOP THERE.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON 5.1? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DAIS.
HAS HPC, ARE THEY IN FAVOR OF THISSO? UH, HBC DOES NOT REVIEW ZONING ANYMORE AFTER, UM, SOME CHANGES IN THE CODE.
UM, WHERE THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED IS FOR ANY REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
UM, BECAUSE THE SITE ALREADY MEETS THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AS FIRST LAYER, SECOND LAYER, THIRD LAYER, UM, THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE OUTWARD AESTHETICS OKAY.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST PUT A STATEMENT OUT.
I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL SINCE IT'S A
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ALIGNING WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.FOR ONE, IT'S GOOD THAT IT'LL BE A TRANSITION ZONE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME LOCAL COMMERCIAL.
DOES IT, AND I THINK YOU STATED THAT SO I'M SORRY IF I'M REPEATING IT.
DOES IT ONLY ALLOW LOCAL COMMERCIAL IN THERE OR CAN IT ACTUALLY ALLOW TO LARGER COMMERCIAL TO GO IN THERE GOING TO TRANSITION ZONE? YOU HAVE THE UM, PERMITTED USES IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, IT'S MOSTLY GONNA BE MORE OF, IT'S MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED.
UH, BECAUSE THE PEDESTRIAN SHED THAT'S BEEN CALLED OUT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, ANY DISTRICT SHED CLEANING SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN AREA
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, BUT WHEN IT SAYS PERSONAL BUSINESS SERVICE SHOP, THAT DOES NOT MEAN A GAS STATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
JUST MAKING SURE NOT NOT A CONVENIENCE STORE CALL.
YOU CAN HAVE A GROCERY STORE, IT'S PERMITTED ON AN OT FOUR T, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? YEAH.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT THAT WE COULD LOOK TO AS EXAMPLES OF BUSINESSES TAKING OVER A FORMER RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND THEN ALSO LOOK ON THE GROCERY STORE ITEM THAT IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME IN AND SHOW, UM, USE COMPLIANCE, BUT THEN ALSO PARKING COMPLIANCE AND THE REST.
SO PARKING IN THEIR REAR THAT THIRD SHED OR THIRD LEVEL, UM, OF THE LOT, WHICH THEY DO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THAT OR THEY HAVE ENOUGH, UM, SPACE TO SUBDIVIDE AND USE IT AN OFFICE AND POTENTIALLY SOME REDEVELOPMENT THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT WOULD THEN GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION FOR.
I MISREAD A COLUMN BY ONE COLUMN.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADDRESS ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE PACKET.
UM, LAST NAME IS CASEY AND THEY INDICATED THAT THEY OBJECT TO THE REZONING.
UM, AND IT IMPLIES, IT SAYS UNTIL INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS TO ALLEVIATE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT 1660 SOUTH SUFFER FROM BECAUSE OF ALL THE HOUSING THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO NEW DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER UNTIL THESE THINGS ARE FIRST ADDRESSED.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT REGARDLESS IF WE REZONED IT OR NOT, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AT THIS PROPERTY ANYWAYS.
SO REGARDLESS IF WE APPROVE OR DENY THIS MOTION, THE DEVELOPER COULD STILL PROCEED WITH DEVELOPING SOMETHING AND THAT WOULD, THERE WOULD STILL BE TRAFFIC, UM, IMPLICATIONS REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE TODAY.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS WITH, UM, STATE LAW RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT STREET THAT THEY FRONT ON, IT'S A
UM, BUT CERTAINLY THIS COULD ALREADY BE DEVELOPED IN CERTAIN ASPECTS, UM, JUST UNDER THAT OT FOUR R, UM, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL.
SO GETTING IT TO A SINGLE USER POTENTIALLY FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, THAT WOULD NOT THEN TRIGGER A TIA MOST LIKELY IT WOULDN'T HIT THE 2000 TRIPS OR 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
UM, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, WASH OR POTENTIALLY LESS, UM, CERTAINLY WITH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE OTHER OR WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE OTHER TRANSITIONAL AREAS, IT'S USUALLY THOSE USES THAT ARE OPEN FROM EIGHT TO FIVE THAT WORK REALLY WELL WITH THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS, THAT THEY'RE THERE DURING THE DAY WHEN THE RESIDENTIAL IS NOT.
AND THEN, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL COMES BACK.
I MEAN, WE KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SECRET THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE THAT WE HAVE SOME CONGESTION ISSUES IN THE CITY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DECIDE TODAY, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT.
SO YEAH, AND WE DO HAVE THE CIP GOING CURRENTLY THAT WILL, UM, IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THAT 1 99 FRENCH STREET AREA.
SO WE DO ALREADY HAVE, UM, SOME PROJECTS IN THE WORKS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THEN APPROVED BY HPC.
UM, ACTUALLY THE REZONING DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.
THEY COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW, UM RIGHT.
THEY COULD ACTUALLY GO IN AND, AND REZONE, NOT REZONE THE PROPERTY AT ALL AND UH, CREATE FOURPLEXES AND GET PROBABLY 20 UNITS, BUT THEY COULDN'T PUT A BUSINESS ON THERE.
I THINK THEY WERE A ALLOWED OF BAKERY WAS THE
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ONLY THING.THE CODE RIGHT NOW
I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.
UM, BUT THEY COULD ALSO HAVE A LIVE WORK UNIT WHERE YOU COULD STILL HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE BUT THEN SOMEONE WOULD ALSO BE LIVING IN THE HOME AND THEY WOULD JUST RUN THEIR BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE THAN A, UH, WORK FROM HOME SITUATION OR A HOME BASED BUSINESS AS WE WOULD CALL IT, WHICH CAN GO ANYWHERE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, ESSENTIALLY THEY CAN DO A LOT WITH THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
BUT THIS REALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CALLS BECAUSE OF THE OT FOUR, OUR DISTRICT LENDING ITSELF TO SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL.
UM, ALTHOUGH A BED AND BREAKFAST AND SOME OTHER THINGS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
THERE'S STILL A COMPATIBLE USE WITH THE AREA TAKING THAT INTO MIND.
AND, AND WE DO STILL HAVE THE, I'M GONNA SAY PROTECTION OF HPC COMING IN THERE AND MAKING SURE IT'S AN AESTHETIC FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO, UM, CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE, UM, OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE OR ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES COMING ONLINE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT'S STILL DEVELOPING IN THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A NOD BACK TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT METAL BUILDINGS OR GLASS AND STEEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH CORRECT.
OLD TOWN NO MATTER WHAT GOES IN THERE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 5.1? NO, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN, UH, ACTUALLY I WISH I DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DID I? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:27 PM ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.1.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEM 5.1 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ON ITEM 5.1.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ACTION ON THE PROPOSED VILLAGE AT BROOKLYN'S.
PRELIMINARY PLA 10.0 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS AND ONE CONDOMINIUM LOT LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 37.
I CAN'T SEE, I KNOW THE TRACK.
UM, FOR ITEM 5.2 IS APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES.
IT'S, UH, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 1 37, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE BROOKLYNS BOULEVARD.
UH, THE PLAT IS PROPOSING, UH, THREE TOTAL LOTS TO WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL AND ONE IS A CONDOMINIUM.
ALL USES, UM, WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE T FIVE URBAN CORE ZONE.
BROOKLYNS IS CONSIDERED A TRADIT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT OR A T AND D, UM, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1.3 0.2 OF THE SMART CODE.
IT IS A COMPA COMPACT, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE BROOKLYN'S REGULATING PLAN PLACED, REPLACED THE REGULATING PLAN KNOWN AS SHILOH AT JAKE'S BRIDGE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 15TH, 2010.
SHILOH AT JAKES BRIDGE WAS OR IS ALSO DESIGNATED, UH, THE SUBJECT TRACKED AS T FIVE URBAN CORE.
THE SMART CODE DESCRIBES THE T FIVE ZONE AS A DISTRICT WITH SHOPS MIXED, MIXED WITH TOWNHOUSES, LARGER APARTMENTS, HOUSES, OFFICE WORKSPACE, AND CIVIL BUILDINGS, PREDOMINANTLY ATTACHED BUILDINGS, TREES WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND, UH, SUBSTANTIAL PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES YOU HAVE, UH, TO THE WEST, THE NARROWS, PUD OR MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY FARLEY, MIDDLE, MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE EAST AND SOUTH IS BOTH THE SMART CODE, THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND OF COURSE THAT'S WITHIN THE BROOKLYN'S DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAVE THE PLAT IN THE, UH, PACKET.
SO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO SECTION 10.20 1.2
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OF THE UDC, UM, ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.SO THE SITE AGAIN WILL CONSIST OF TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS, ONE CONDOMINIUM LOT ON APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRES OF LAND.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BROOKLYN'S REGULATING PLAN AND THE UDC REQUIREMENTS FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS.
AND THE SHOCK CLOCK OR BILL, UM, HOUSE BILL 36 9 WAS VOLUNTARILY WAIVED.
STAFF NOTICED, UH, NOTIFIED 38 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER.
THAT'S REQUIRED IN SECTION 10.20 OF THE UDC.
UH, TO DATE STAFF HAS RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES, ONE IN FAVOR AND THREE IN OBJECTION TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CITING OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND USES.
SO STAFF REVIEWED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND FOUND THAT THE APPLICATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BROOKLYN'S REGULATING PLAN AND THE UDC.
SO THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
AND I BELIEVE, UM, WANTED TO TALK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, SO SINCE THIS CALLS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:32 PM AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM AND UH, PLEASE LET US KNOW YOUR NAME.
UM, COMMISSIONER IS JAMES MCCANN, UM, DEVELOPMENT COLLABORATIVE.
I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER WHO IS WORKING WITH THE OWNERSHIP TEAM, UM, TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
UM, I JUST BROUGHT IN THIS BOARD SHOWING OUR, OUR ROADWAY LAYOUT, UH, AS IT WERE.
THIS IS A LITTLE MORE, UM, SHOWING MORE OF THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, UM, UH, THAT WE INTENDED.
BASICALLY WE HAVE TWO ENTRANCES OFF COUNTY ROAD 1 37 HERE.
UM, WE GOT AN ENTRANCE HERE ONTO, UH, BENT CREEK FIRE ACCESS ONLY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GATE WITH A KNOX BOX.
WE DON'T, WE WANT NO TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THE BROOKLYNS FOR ACCESS, UM, INTO THIS PROPERTY OR THROUGH THIS WAY BECAUSE WE ALSO FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD SERVE AS A SHORT CIRCUIT TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND SO WE, BUT WE DID PUT IT IN, UH, SO WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT ACCESS FOR FIRE AND WE EXTENDED A DRIVEWAY TO THE SOUTH, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENT, THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THERE WERE THREE LOTS, UH, ONE CONDO AND TWO COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE HAVE FOOTPRINTS OF THE PRODUCT THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARING THE SITE PLAN FOR SUBMISSION FOR REVIEW.
UH, THE PLAT, WE WILL PROBABLY, WE'LL TAKE FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS ON THE SITE PLAN AND SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS LIKE EASEMENTS AND STUFF ON THE PRELIMINARY ON THE PLAT.
AND THEN WE'LL SUBMIT THAT AT THAT TIME AND THEN WE'LL RUN THEM CONCURRENTLY.
SO, UH, AND THEN OTHERWISE WE HAVE, UM, THIS COMMERCIAL LOT UP FRONT HERE AND THIS ONE HERE, THIS WOULD BE MORE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND WHAT I MEAN IS MORE MAYBE STRIP WITH SOME RETAIL AND SMALL RESTAURANT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, WE, WE'VE CONSIDERED LIVE WORK FLEX HERE, BUT TRUTHFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FALL FOR, UH, PERMITTING AT THAT TIME.
WE'LL, WE WILL DO ANOTHER MARKET STUDY, DETERMINE WHAT MAKES SENSE AND, UH, GO FROM THERE.
SO I MAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AND OF COURSE I CAN BE, UH, SPOKEN TO ANYTIME BY EMAIL OR PHONE.
ANY QUESTIONS? I WAS JUST SAYING THAT YOU SAID THE FALL TIMEFRAME FOR PERMITTING AND THEN, UH, THAT'S MY BEST GUESS.
AND NO, NOT TO HOLD YOU TO IT, JUST THAT WAS, YOU KINDA ANSWERED THAT AS WELL.
SO I MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT I'M CURIOUS, HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BEING IN THE CONDOMINIUM? UM, IN THE CONDOMINIUM AREA A YEAR ABOUT 77.
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SHOULD REPEAT THAT.
UM, IT'LL BE TOWN HOMES ATTACHED, SOME ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, AND THEN ALSO SOME UH, STACKED CONDOS.
AND WE'RE INTENDING THOSE IN THIS AREA AROUND THE POND.
UM, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING TO USE THE POND AREA, IT'LL BE DRY, BUT WE CAN ALSO USE IT AS AN ALUMINUM, YOU KNOW, FOR SOCCER GOALS AND MAYBE A SMALL, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE WALKING TRAILS AROUND IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USE WOULD, DO YOU HAVE ANY GUESSTIMATE ON IDEAS ON WHAT THE OTHER COMMERCIAL WOULD BE USED FOR? NO, WITH THE SITE PLAN, WE'LL PROBABLY CALL 'EM LIKE PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE.
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WE'LL EITHER FIND END USERS OR AT THAT TIME WE'LL DO THE MARKET STUDY AND DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THOSE PORTIONS OF IT.NOW IF WE GET SOMETHING BEFORE, OF COURSE WE'LL UPDATE THE SITE PLAN TO REFLECT THAT.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE IT, IT, IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE A A THREE PHASE, THE FIRST PHASE OF THE SIDE PLAN WILL BE ALL THE UTILITIES AND ROADS AND THEN PREPARATION FOR THE CONDOS.
AND THE SECOND AND THIRD PHASE WOULD JUST BE BUILD OUT OF THESE PADS FOR THE STACKED CONDOS THAT YOU MENTIONED.
UM, IS THE MAX GONNA BE TWO STORIES FOR THOSE OR ARE YOU GONNA GO HIRE TWO STORIES? OKAY.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE TALLER, BUT ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR FIRE ACCESS IS 26 FEET.
AND SO WE MEET THE AERIAL APPARATUS REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND UM, EVEN THOUGH THEIR CONDOS WE USED, WE USED THE COMMERCIAL, UM, HYDRANT SPACING.
SO WE'LL HAVE HYDRANT SPACING IN EXCESS OF, SAY THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS OF 500 FEET STRAIGHT LINE.
MY QUESTION WAS JUST MORE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'LL BE BUILDING, SINCE IT'S ONLY GONNA BE TWO, TWO STORIES OBVIOUSLY BE COMMERCIAL, SO A LITTLE BIT TALLER, BUT YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING TWO UNITS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, CORRECT? UH, YES.
HOW CLOSE ARE THESE TO THE EXISTING HOMES IN THE BROOKLYNS? LIKE IF I LIVED ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE CONDO, CAN I SEE IN THE BACKYARD OF A RESIDENT OF THE BROOKLYNS? LIKE HOW CLOSE ARE THESE OR IS THERE GONNA BE THE OTHER? WELL, WE, WE HAVE A 25 FOOT BUILDING LINE, UM, IS REQUIRED BY CODE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND SO OKAY.
UM, I WOULD, I, I'D HAVE TO DO A SIDELINE DIAGRAM REALLY WITH, WITH THEIR, THEIR BACK, THEIR BACK FENCES, BUT I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM HAVE GARAGE ACCESS FROM THE BACK, SO THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE BACK BACKYARDS PER SE FOR THE SECTION TWO UNITS OVER HERE.
THERE'S A 24 FOOT OVER HERE, OVER HERE AND HERE.
EXCUSE ME, THIS IS MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I BELIEVE THERE'S REAR ACCESS SIGNS MUST BE OKAY.
I'M JUST THINKING IF I LIVED IN THAT UNIT, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M STRUGGLING TO VISUALIZE IT 20 FEET.
IF I IMT WANT ANYBODY LOOKING IN MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, IS WHERE
AND SO, UH, WELL LOOKING AT, THIS IS ON PAGE, UH, THERE'S THIS, UM, GUESS THE LAST PAGE, 84, I'M LOOKING AT WHERE LOT ONE IS AND ALTHOUGH THERE'S A 20 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THESE BROOKLYN LOTS, SECTION TWO, THESE LOT ONE IS STAYED, I MEAN THIS IS, THERE'S A LONG DISTANCE BETWEEN, THERE'S A 20 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY HERE FROM THE HOUSES.
BUT THERE'S A LONG DISTANCE HERE.
WHAT IS MAKING UP THIS AREA? WELL, ON, ON THAT SIDE RIGHT THERE, IT'S, NO, NO, NO, THAT WOULD BE THAT THIS IS THE DRAINAGE, THIS IS LOT ONE UP ABOVE THERE.
WHAT IS IN THAT SPACE THERE BETWEEN LOT ONE AND THEN YEAH, RIGHT WHERE YOUR FINGER IS PROPERTIES.
YEAH, YOU HAVE THE UNITS HERE AND SO THERE WILL BE UNITS THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 25 FOOT SETBACK.
WOULD THOSE ONLY BE SINGLE STORY UNITS? UH, NO, THE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE TWO OR THREE.
SO I DID JUST MENTION A WHILE AGO THOUGH, HOW MANY STORIES WERE YOU BUILDING? AND YOU MENTIONED TWO STORIES.
SO NOW THERE WILL BE THREE STORIES.
SO IT WOULD BE THE, THE CONDO, WHAT I CALL THE STAFF.
SO LET ME, LET ME BACK UP THEN.
SO THERE MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY TOWN HOMES NOW THAT COULD BE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES COULD BE, YEAH.
THAT ARE BACKING UP WITH ONLY A 25 FOOT EASEMENT TO EXISTING HOMES.
COULD IT GO HIGHER THAN THREE STORIES? NO, THREE IS THE MAX.
I THINK PER THE UDC, IT CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT RIGHT NOW SINGLE BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT, IT BECOMES THAT TURNS IT INTO BASICALLY AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH WE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ELEVATORS.
AND WE HAVE THE LUS FOR THIS OR DO WE NOT KNOW THAT YET? WE DO.
WE, WE DID S SU IN THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE DRAINING THE LIFT STATION DOWN IN THE BROOKLYNS AND THEN, UH,
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PUMPING BACK AND I'M TALKING TO HALF AN ASSOCIATES ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE LIFT STATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.AND I GET MIXED UP IN THE PROCESS, SO FORGIVE ME, BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC RELATED TO 1 37.
I KNOW THAT'S IN OUR CIP BUT, SO THIS WAS ALL INCLUDED BACK IN BROOKLYN'S, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT A 20 16, 20 17 ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
SO ALL OF THE ZONING WAS DONE BACK IN 2010, UM, INCLUDING ALL THE HEIGHTS AND HOW THIS WAS ALL GOING TO GET SET OUT.
THEN, UM, SHILOH DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEN IT TURNED INTO THE BROOKLYNS.
UM, SO TIAS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE ALREADY DONE WHEN THE ORIGINAL BROOKLYNS NEIGHBORHOOD CAME IN.
AND DO WE NEED TO, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT REVISED IF THAT WAS DONE 14 YEARS AGO? UM, IT POTENTIALLY, I DON'T ADD, WE'D HAVE TO SEE IF IT, WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT, WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE TIA WAS PROJECTED FOR OUR PROPERTY AS FAR AS TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THEN COMPARE IT TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND IF WE'RE THE SAME OR LESS THAN THAN THE TIA JUST APPLIES AS IS, WHICH IS A LITTLE, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE USES OVER THERE WHEN BROOKLYNS CAME IN, INCLUDING THE NARROWS WAS ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT USE.
SO A LOT OF THINGS IN THAT AREA, DESPITE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN ZONED IN THAT WAY SINCE AT LEAST THE MID TWO HOUSE.
UM, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF CHANGES ON THOSE TAAS WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT, UM, IN THE FUTURE CHANGING SOMETHING, BUT IF IT DOESN'T TRIGGER A CHANGE BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY CONTEMPLATED, A LOT OF TIMES WE WON'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEIR ENGINEERING WILL GO BACK.
EVEN IF HUDDLES POPULATION HAS EXPLODED IN THE PAST 14 YEARS, THAT WOULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE BASED ON THE ITE MANUALS.
CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER.
UM, FOR THIS ONE, THERE WAS NO TIA REQUIRED BECAUSE ONE HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE THAT CAPTURED, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE NOW FINALLY CAUGHT ONLINE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY WITH THE TIA, SORRY.
UM, IN GENERAL WITH THE TIA, IT'S OBVIOUSLY WAS DONE BACK IN 2010 AND WHATEVER, LIKE YOU SAID, BASED ON THE OTHER AREAS, THE NARROWS WAS ALREADY APPROVED FOR WHAT IT WAS PUT IN FOR AS I GUESS MULTIFAMILY.
HOWEVER, THAT WE DID NOT KNOW THE DENSITY THAT WAS TAKEN NECESSARILY COMING INTO SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHEN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE.
SO SOME OF THESE AREAS, LIKE THE NARROWS NOW HAVE MULTIPLE APARTMENTS, MULTIPLE STORIES, SO THE IMPACT HAS RAISED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAN WHEN THE ORIGINAL TIAS WERE COMPLETED.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL OR REVISED TIAS? UM, I COULD ASK, UM, MATT FOR THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE THE NARROWS WAS A PUD, WE KNEW THE MAX CAPACITY FOR THAT SITE.
IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ACTUALLY, SO IT WAS BASED ON, SO IT WAS BASED ON THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT COULD GO IN BASED ON THE ZONING, BASED ON THAT NOT OKAY.
BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT EAST WILCO HIGHWAY EITHER.
AND THAT TODAY IS CAUSING THERE TO BE MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO MATT, CAN YOU COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT TRAFFIC
UM, SO, UH, I I DO, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, MATT, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER FOR THIS SPEAKER? OH, SORRY, NOT RIGHT NOW.
APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE IT'S AMENABLE.
APPRECIATE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP THE WHILE MATT TALKING.
SO I MEAN, I'M, I'M KIND OF CONSTRAINED IN WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO.
THE UDC SAYS THAT IF YOUR PROJECT IS GONNA GENERATE MORE THAN A HUNDRED PEAK HOUR TRIPS OR MORE THAN 2000 DAILY TRIPS, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO A-T-I-A-I AM ALLOWED A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY BY THE UDC TO SAY THAT IF I BELIEVE THAT YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO ADVERSELY IMPACT SOMETHING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT TRIGGERING THOSE LEVELS THAT I CAN REQUEST A TIA, BUT I THINK I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED IN THIS CASE TO SUGGEST THAT THEY'RE CAUSING ANY MORE OF AN ADVERSE IMPACT THAN ALL OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AROUND THEM AND THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
SO WE HAVE BEEN SHARING ALL THE TIAS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM IMPROVEMENTS OF 1 37 AND 1660 TO TRY TO SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THE TRAFFIC AS BEST WE CAN.
BUT EVEN AT THAT WE'RE LIMIT, WE'RE CONSTRAINED ON WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED SO MUCH GROWTH TO ENCROACH INTO THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THE TIAS THAT Y'ALL ARE REVIEWING, ARE THEY RECENT BECAUSE LOOKING AT ONE THAT'S 14 YEARS OLD ISN'T GONNA BE RELEVANT.
UM, SO ANY PROJECT THAT COMES IN NOW, UM, THAT TRIGGERS THE UDC, WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE TIAS INTERNALLY.
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I'M NOT GOING BACK.BE CAREFUL I SAY THIS, I'M NOT GOING BACK AND SAYING THE BROOKLYNS NEEDS TO REDO THEIR ENTIRE TIA BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED TODAY.
UM, WE DID HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN THAT WAS FINALLY STARTING TO GO TO TOWARDS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND THEIR TIA WAS LIKE 20 YEARS OLD AND I SAID, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPDATE THIS.
AND SO WHEN THOSE KIND OF CASES DO COME IN FRONT OF ME, I MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UPDATING.
UM, IN THIS CASE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS TRIGGERED, UM, WE WERE LIKE 700 AND CHANGE TOTAL ON ON DAILY TRIPS.
AND SO, UM, SO THEN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO THEN IS WE, WE COULD JUST GO LOOK AT WHAT THE BROOKLYNS HAD ASSUMED FOR THIS LAND USE TO SEE IF WE ARE ABOVE THAT NUMBER.
BUT I MEAN THE, AND THEN WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WELL IF YOU'RE ABOVE, LET'S GO LOOK BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT YOUR IMPACT IS AND THEN WE CAN CONSIDER THE OTHER PROJECTS AS BACKGROUND TRAFFIC.
BUT THAT'S ABOUT THE BEST THAT I CAN DO.
I CAN'T REALLY FORCE THEM TO STUDY THE ENTIRE THING AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE FIXED EAST WILCO HIGHWAY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, NOT SO MUCH FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ITEM, BUT IF THERE ARE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTS LIKE REFERENCE TO TRAFFIC OR HEIGHT OR THINGS THAT ARE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE, THE, THE COMMISSION CAN GET, UM, THAT INFORMATION TO US? I'M NOT SAYING INCLUDING IN THE PACKET OR ANYTHING, BUT IT'S, I MEAN IT'S ALL ONLINE.
WELL IT'S TELL THE UDC ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AS FAR AS THE DISTRICTS, THE SMART CODE IS STILL ONLINE THAT'S REFERENCING THE
SO WE REALLY ARE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE ZONING ON A PLAT ITEM.
WHEN WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE, UM, JUST BY STATE LAW IF IT STATUTORILY MEETS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND STATE LAW.
UM, WE HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS AND THESE WERE ALL ZONED, UM, AGES AGO.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON HOW IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP, THEN ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN, UM, LOOK AT THE UDC OR SEPARATELY IN BROOKLYN'S, BROOKLYN'S REGULATING PLAN, I BELIEVE IS ONLINE ON THAT SECTION UNDER THE HU OF YOU FOR THAT INTERACTIVE MAP.
UM, AND THEN THE SMART CODE IS STILL AS IS THE, UM, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO, UH, SO, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING STAFF CANNOT CONSIDER THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN ZONED SINCE 2010 ON IF THE PLOT MEETS ON A PRELIMINARY PLOT.
SO I'M GOING TO HOLD FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME ON UP AND LET US KNOW YOUR NAME.
I'M NEW TO THIS, SO FORGIVE ME.
UM, SO I AM ACTUALLY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT RECEIVED THE LETTER FOR THIS.
UM, I DID TURN IN MY CONCERNS, UNFORTUNATELY I DO OBJECT TO THIS.
UM, AND JUST FOR MY UNDERSTANDING AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT I GUESS MY, MY SANITY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, AT PEACE AFTER THIS.
UM, SO I KNOW LIKE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEAR RIO AND STUFF LIKE THAT, A LOT OF THEM HAVE COMPLAINED WITH RESTAURANT NOISE AND MUSIC AND STUFF.
AND SO WITH YOU GUYS MAKING THE COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT, UM, THE BUSINESSES OR RESTAURANTS, WHATEVER BEING MANAGED FROM EIGHT TO FIVE, WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY OR
AM PRETTY SURE THAT THAT COMMERCIAL AREA OKAY.
I I REMEMBER THAT COMMERCIAL AREA BEING DESIGNATED ON THE SMART CODE BACK IN 20 17, 20 18, AND THAT WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE BROOKLYN'S DEVELOPMENT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT ANY SORT OF HOURS ON THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE IT WAS BAKED INTO THE THEN SMART CODE OKAY.
WHICH WE'VE REVISED SINCE THEN, BUT THE, THE SMART CODE STILL APPLIES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I GUESS WAS A CONCERN, SO IF THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2010, UM, I WAS THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, PERSON TO MOVE INTO THIS HOME.
UM, WHEN WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT, WE ACTUALLY WERE OFFERED, HEY, IF YOU PAY AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU WON'T HAVE BACK NEIGHBORS.
UH, NONE OF THIS WAS MENTIONED TO US THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE ANY SORT OF BUSINESSES IN THE FUTURE.
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SO, UM, FOR ME, ME AND MY HUSBAND, WE PAID, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND JUST TO HAVE NO RESIDENTS IN THE BACK OF US AND LET ALONE US BEING INFORMED THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE TOWN HOMES, BUSINESSES, UM, WAS KIND OF JUST, UH, HIDDEN IN THE STOMACH.WELL WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME REALTORS WHO, WHO SERVE ON, UH, WHO SERVE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO I'M SURE THEY COULD MAYBE POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF YOU WANTED TO GET WITH THEM AFTERWARDS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT KIND OF THING FROM OTHER PEOPLE.
YEAH, SO THE, THOSE WERE MAINLY JUST MY CONCERNS.
LIKE I SAID, I ALREADY SUBMITTED MY OTHER CONCERNS AND IT'S KIND OF SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING IT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I WOULD, SORRY, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, THE WAY THAT THIS WORKS AND I'M LEARNING TO, BUT THIS IS JUST THE INITIAL PLAT, SO THIS IS JUST THE APPROVAL THAT WE DO.
INITIALLY THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHERE WE WANNA PUT THESE BUILDINGS IN THIS LOCATION AND THIS IS WHERE TREES WILL BE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
THE COMMISSION DOES NOT SEE SITE PLANS.
IS THAT DONE IN COUNCIL THEN? NO, THAT'S NOT DONE ANYWHERE.
SO IF THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE BASED ON THE CODE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF REWRITING, BUT BECAUSE THIS WAS ZONED AS PART OF THE SMART CODE, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CAN'T CHANGE IT.
HEARD THE ONLY, UNLESS THE, THE ONLY TIME WE PROPERTY OWNER, THE ONLY TIME WE SEE THAT IS IF IT'S A STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE WILL SEE THE FINAL PLAT.
SO WILL THAT BE AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS PRIOR TO EVERYTHING BEING DEVELOPED OR THROUGH WHICH PART FOR, UH, HOW, LIKE HOW MANY STORES THE TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA BE THE SITE PLAN? SO YEAH, WHAT'S ALLOWED IS FULLY AVAILABLE ONLINE THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE TO FIND IT AND GIVE YOU SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IF YOU UM, SEE US AFTERWARDS.
UM, WHAT IS GOING TO BE WOULD BE THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, UM, ONCE THAT'S SUBMITTED.
AND THEN WE HAVE MAPS ONLINE THAT TELL YOU WHAT'S COMING, WHAT'S SUBMITTED, WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU CAN UM, CHECK IN PERIODICALLY AND JUST SEE.
YEAH, I JUST, I WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH ASHLEY TO GET THE LINK TO THAT LOCATION FOR SURE.
ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? COME ON UP.
UH, I MOVED INTO THE BROOKLYN'S NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER OF 21.
I'M ACTUALLY THAT ONE LOT THAT'S NEXT TO THE PROPOSED UH, FIRE GATE.
SO GUESS I'M NOT GETTING A NEW EASY EXIT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ALL SENSE OF EVERYTHING I DID OBJECT.
UM, NOT ENTIRELY TOWARDS THE UM, CONDOMINIUM OR TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT I WOULD SAY.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE I DON'T WANNA SEE THE APARTMENT THAT IS ACROSS FROM, UH, ON 1 37.
I DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT TALL, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF CONCERNS ME WITH GETTING AWAY FROM THE VIEWS MY BACK FACES, UH, FARLEY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.
BUT AGAIN, TAKING AWAY THAT CORNFIELD ESSENTIALLY I KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN EVENTUALLY.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS REALLY MORE OF THAT PRELIMINARY PLA THAT DID INDICATE, UH, FUR LOTS ONE AND TWO, OR EXCUSE ME, I BELIEVE IT WAS LOT THREE, WHICH IS THE ONE ACRE AS 11 HOTEL OR MOTEL UNITS.
DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT AS A FRUITFUL IDEA TO HAVE NEXT TO UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I BELIEVE THE OTHER, UM, SQUARE THAT'S SOUTH OF THE UM, PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT 10 ACRES IS STILL ZONED FOR A, UH, COMMERCIAL MIXED USE MONASTERY DEVELOPMENT.
WHICH OF COURSE I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT THING AND WOULD BE UH, PERFECT TO FIT THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, MY MAIN CONCERN WOULD BE THE MINIMAL ROOM HOTEL THAT IF I'M BEING HONEST, AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES NEXT TO THE AMPHITHEATER AND ENJOYS IT IS NOT A COMPLAINER OF THE NOISE AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AGAINST ANYBODY.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS TAKEN A STEP BACK WITH AS MANY CONCERTS, AS MANY EVENTS, THINGS THAT HAPPEN OUT THERE.
SO I FEEL THAT THE HOTEL, UM, AS A COMMERCIAL USE IS KIND OF NEGLIGENT AND ALSO IS NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR PROPERTY VALUES GIVEN THE TOWN HOMES.
UH, AND CONDOMINIUMS ARE GOING TO BE OWNED AND NOT RENT, IF I'M CORRECT.
I SEE THAT AS A PLUS AS YOU KNOW, IT WOULD INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT
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ANYTHING LIKE THAT.BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE HEIGHT CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY, YOU KNOW, VIEWS FROM EVERYONE, BUT CERTAIN THINGS DO HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN, MY OBJECTIONS OR CONCERNS WERE NOTED IN THERE, MAINLY THE BROOKLYN'S NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH AS IT'S CONTINUED TO DEVELOP, IT HAS ALSO DETERIORATED, UH, ROAD WISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I KIND OF SEE FIXING BEFORE DEVELOPING, UH, IN A SENSE.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THE CONDOMINIUM OR TOWN HOMES, BUT DO HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.
AND I ACTUALLY OWE THE DIRECTOR OF CITY PLANNING MANY THINGS.
HE GOT MY UH, LOT REZONED SO I CAN BUILD A HOUSE THERE
UH, A LOT OF WHAT SHE SPEAKS IS THIS ONE AND AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE.
THAT WAS JUST A CONCEPT FOR A, A HOTEL WITH SOME RETAIL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS.
SO I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU WERE WAITING, WE UNDERSTAND THOSE CONCERNS WAITING UNTIL THE FALL TO DO ANOTHER MARKET UH, ANALYSIS, DO A MARKET STUDY AND WE'LL SEE WHAT'S, WHAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY DO THERE IS, IS GONNA SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR DRIVER.
SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO REITERATE THAT.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM SIR.
I'M ONE OF THE BROOKLYN'S RESIDENTS.
I'M NOT IN THE RADIUS FOR VOTING OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, PREVIOUS SAME CONCERNS AS THEY HAD, BUT MY MAIN PROBLEM WAS WITH THE TRAFFIC.
I KNOW YOU ALL PROBABLY ALREADY CHECKED OUT EVERYTHING, BUT UH, I COMMUTE TO WORK FROM THERE AND I CURRENTLY ESCAPE FROM THE FIRE STATION ONTO 1 6 16 60 AND BACK.
AND I DID SEE THAT ONE FIELD AWAY IN THAT DIRECTION.
SOUTH THERE IS ANOTHER COMMUNITY BEING BUILT.
SO MY PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT EAST WILCO HIGHWAY 1 37 AND WE HAVE A SCHOOL THERE.
IT'S ALREADY A VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC TIME AND ON TOP WE'RE ADDING A COMMUNITY IN THE BACK FROM 1660.
UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND REAL ESTATE IS A THING THERE, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO WHEN THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE FOR THE ROAD, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S A POINT HIGHLIGHTED AND SOMEONE'S LOOKING INTO THAT WHERE KNOCK ON WOOD, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND I NEED TO RUN AWAY FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T WANNA BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
UM, AT RELEVANT TO THAT ISN'T, UH, 1 63 BEHIND THE BROOKLYNS JUST TO THE EAST OF THE BROOKLYNS.
UM, YES, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT, IT'S GONNA CORRECT BE UPDATED.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS AN ACTIVE CIP PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
BROOKLYN'S DID NOT IMPROVE THAT DESPITE HAVING NUMEROUS, UM, STREETS THAT DEAD END INTO AND UTILIZE 1 63, THEY WERE GIVEN A PASS ON THAT AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THERE'S AN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST SIDE OF 1 63 THAT WILL BE COMING IN AND PAVING THE REST OF THAT AND PROVIDING FOR MUCH BETTER ACCESS BECAUSE, UM, THE DEVELOPER OF THE BROOKLYNS DID NOT, WAS NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT AT THE TIME.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOSE YOUR BACK WAY OUT.
AND I DID ALSO WANNA STATE, SO EAST WILCO HIGHWAY, WE DO RIGHT KNOW RIGHT NOW DEAD ENDS AND TWO IN ONE LOCATION.
SEGMENT TWO HAS FINALLY BEEN APPROVED, I BELIEVE RIGHT TO START
SO THE SECOND SEGMENT WILL ACTUALLY BE STARTED SOON.
THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THE COUNTY ROAD.
WERE, UH, BESIDES THAT THOUGH, I'LL BE DELIGHTED IF THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP IN THAT CONVERSATION.
TALK WITH THAT GUY RIGHT THERE.
TO HIS POINT THOUGH, DO WE KNOW LIKE TIMING FROM THE DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE CAN, LIKE WHAT'S YOUR, IF IT WORKED OUT EXACTLY LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO, WHEN WOULD THE FIRST RESIDENTS BE MOVING INTO THE TOWN HOMES AND CONDOMINIUMS? IT WOULD BE, UH, SUMMER OF 25.
AND THAT'S BEFORE COUNTY ROAD 1 37 IS MM-HMM.
IT WOULD BE, IT'D PROBABLY BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY, THEY, I THINK THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE 90% PLANS FOR REVIEW TO,
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TO THE STAFF AND, UM, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REAL CLOSE.AND I'LL GUESS TO THE COUNTY, WELL NO, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S CITY ROAD RIGHT THERE, RIGHT.
IT ALL GOES BACK TO UM, TDOT AS WELL FOR THE INTERSECTION THOUGH, SO.
UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE A LOT OF IT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AS ALWAYS, UM, IN HATO RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS THAT LARGER CIP PROJECT THAT IS, UM, OCCURRING ON 1 37 TO HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
I KNOW I GET STUCK IN THAT AS WELL, UM, EVEN TODAY COMING BACK IN I FOR LIGHT CYCLES TO GET THROUGH.
SO CERTAINLY I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS AWARE OF AND WATCHING.
CERTAINLY IT GETS A LITTLE BIT WORSE DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR AND SO JUST TRYING TO REALLY REPAIR THAT INTERSECTION I THINK WILL HELP SPEED UP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC OVER THERE.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE FINALLY GETTING CAUGHT UP ON SOME OF THOSE CIP PROJECT THAT UM, HAS OVER 60 CURRENT CI, UM, JUST CIP PROJECTS FOR THIS CURRENT CIP YEAR.
SO, UM, TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP AND GET THAT, UM, SITUATED AND THEN YEAH, WE'D KNOW THAT THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY IS GOING TO, IT DID BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE EASE.
UM, KINDA SHIFTED SOUTH FROM COUNTY ROAD 1 38, SORRY, NORTH FROM COUNTY ROAD 1 38 UP TO THE, UM, EAST WILCO HIGHWAY.
BUT CERTAINLY EVERYBODY SEES THE TRAFFIC THAT'S INCREASING AND SO WILLIAMSON COUNTY'S PLANS ARE FULL SPEED AHEAD AT THIS POINT AS WELL.
SO IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, NOW WE CAN OPEN, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:02 PM AND OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION FROM THE DIOCESE.
SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR A COUPLE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO I THINK ONE BENEFIT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUFFER POTENTIALLY TO COMMERCIAL, IF IT ACTUALLY IS DEVELOPED THE WAY THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, YOU WILL AT LEAST HAVE A BUFFER WITH A RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF TOWN HOMES, CONDOS, ET CETERA, BUFFERING THE CURRENT HOMES AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL.
SO THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE ANY ISSUES WITH COMMERCIAL IDEALLY.
UM, I THINK WE KIND OF ALREADY ADDRESSED SOME OF THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
IT'S NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD MAYBE BE DONE BEFORE 1 37 IS COMPLETED, BUT, UH, IN CONJUNCTION IT'LL STILL BE, I GUESS SAME TIMEFRAME ISH AS BEST AS WE CAN.
UM, I STILL HAVE AN ISSUE POTENTIALLY WITH THE HEIGHT.
I KNOW WE TECHNICALLY CAN'T AFFECT THAT, BUT BASED ON THE UDC, WHAT IS THE CURRENT MAX HEIGHT? UM, THIS ONE WILL GO BACK TO THE SMART CODE.
THE CURRENT MAX HEIGHT IS THREE STORIES.
THERE WAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A WARRANT, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A MINOR MODIFICATION UP TO FOUR MM-HMM.
BUT THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A SEPARATE HEARING ON THE ZONING.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT IT'S THREE STORIES VERY SIMILAR TO OKAY, SO I WILL JUST SAY THIS NICELY.
WE CAN'T AFFECT, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED, WE CAN'T AFFECT THE HEIGHT AND RESTRICT THEM TO LESS THAN THREE STORIES.
WE WOULD JUST ASK NICELY THAT IF THE DEVELOPER WAS CONSIDERING THIS, THAT IF THERE'S ONLY A 25 FOOT BUFFER TO PEOPLE'S ACTUAL HOMES THAT THEY CONSIDER SITE LINES AND MAYBE RECONSIDER PUTTING THAT HEIGHT OF TOWN HOMES AGAINST CURRENT RESIDENTIAL AND MOVE IT TO A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL WE CAN DO BASED ON THE ALREADY APPROVED ZONING.
MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WAS I ACTUALLY, I KNOW TRAFFIC WE'RE ALL GONNA DEAL WITH, BUT I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF EXCITED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT WE SAID, LIKE ACTUALLY BROOKLYN'S BEING, AS THEY SAID, SHOPS MIXED WITH TOWN HOMES, LARGER APARTMENTS, OFFICES, CIVIC ACTIVITIES, OTHER PEDESTRIAN FOCUS MEANS, SADLY, BROOKLYN'S DOESN'T HAVE MOST OF THOSE RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH SCHOOL ABUTTING IT.
SO NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN THINGS.
I THINK THIS ACTUALLY IS A GOOD WAY TO START GETTING SOME PEDESTRIAN THINGS IN THERE.
SOME MORE MIXED USE, SOME OFFICES, MAYBE A COFFEE SHOP LIKE SOMEBODY MENTIONED, UM,
SO I THINK IT IS A WAY FORWARD HEADING TOWARDS WHAT THE INTENDED USE WAS.
AND AGAIN, I, I DO REMEMBER THIS BEING APPROVED.
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AND WE'RE FINALLY GETTING IT.SO DEFINITELY THINK IT'S NEEDED.
I KNOW TRAFFIC IS A MESS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO GET FIXED TOO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? I THINK SOMETIMES IT HELPS, AT LEAST FOR ME TO, TO THINK ABOUT WITH THIS TYPE OF, UM, ITEM THAT THE PLAT APPLICATION, IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC CODE.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S NOT LIKE IF WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, WE, WE NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS PUZZLE IS THAT WE ARE LEGALLY IN A POSITION WHERE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THEY ARE COMPLIANT AND SO, UM, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM THEN? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON 5.2.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S PROPOSAL ON 5.2 A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE 5.2 AS PRESENTED WITH STAFF NOTES.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND TALKING.
THANK ALL OF Y WE EVERY, EVERYBODY WHO DID THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR
MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
UM, THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOR YOU, AS A REMINDER, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE UDC MODULES I'VE SENT OUT, PLEASE SEND THEM TO ME.
I WAS JUST SHARING AFTER TODAY I HAVE SOME
WE, EACH OF YOU? NO, JUST GIMME YOUR COMMENTS.
I'VE UM, I SENT OUT ANOTHER RED LINE TO STAFF BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED.
UM, IF YOU FOUND THAT THOSE MEETINGS WERE BENEFICIAL, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HOLD THEM JUST OVER THE LUNCH HOUR.
JUST IF YOU'VE SEE ANYTHING OR YOU CAN JUST, UM, CONTINUE TO SEND THINGS INTO ME AND I'LL ADD 'EM TO THAT RED LINE.
UM, THEY, THE CONSULTANT WILL BE HERE THURSDAY NIGHT TO HEAR ON THE WORKSHOP OVER ZERO ESCAPING LANDSCAPING MONUMENT SIGNAGE IN GENERAL SIGNAGE.
UM, AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE A QUICK UPDATE OF JUST HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, THE MODULES ARE IN, WE'RE RECEIVING THE UPDATES.
JUST TO GIVE, UM, COUNCIL A HEADS UP, WE ARE STILL PRETTY MUCH ON TRACK FOR WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING, UM, WITH THE ADOPTION AFTER THE SUMMER.
SO HAVE, HAVE WE RECEIVED A NEW RED LINE? IT'S, NO, I JUST GAVE THAT OVER TO AFTER THE, THE FOUR LUNCHTIME MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
I GAVE THAT OVER LATE LAST WEEK.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE COMMENTS, I MEAN PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, YEP, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I MEAN ONE OF 'EM WAS ZEROSCAPING HAS TO BE A SHELL, NOT A MAY.
IT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THAT LEVEL.
UM, AND THEN SOME OTHER ITEMS ON LIGHTING AND JUST LITTLE CLARIFICATIONS OF DO WE NEED THIS? DO WE NOT NEED THIS? LET'S, YOU KNOW, UM, MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE.
WHEN CAN WE UH, UH, GET THE NEW RED LINE OR UPDATE RED LINE.
ONCE I GET A NEW RED LINE, EVERYBODY WILL GET IT.
WE'RE, I'M WORKING WITH IT RIGHT NOW TO SEE IF THERE'S EITHER A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN ACCESS THEIR SHAREPOINT OR WE MAY JUST PUT IT IN A GOOGLE DOC JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN PUT ALL OF THEIR THINGS IN INSTEAD OF UM, STOP HAVING TO COMPILE INDIVIDUALLY.
'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS IF I GET ANY, I HAVE TO OPEN IT AND COMPARE AND THEN, OH THAT'S CRAZY.
I DON'T THINK I WILL GET A RED LINE BACK BASED ON THE, WHAT I JUST SENT THEM THIS WEEK.
BUT AT LEAST WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING INTO GOOGLE DOCS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M WORKING WITH UM, IT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH EITHER THE SHAREPOINT OR THE ONEDRIVE, IT WAS JUST NOT EVERYBODY IS NOT ABLE TO OPEN THAT DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, THEY'RE WORKING OUT THE KINGS ON THEIR SIDE, BUT THEY SAID IN THE MEANTIME, WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE GOOGLE DOC AND THEN PLAY? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH IT.
AND I, AND I LIKE THE LUNCH THINGS TOO AS WELL.
SO THOSE, THOSE LUNCH MEETINGS, ASHLEY? SO FOR ME, I WORK OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
SO IF I HAD THOSE INVITES IN ADVANCE THEN I CAN ADJUST MY WORK
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SCHEDULE.BUT GETTING THE INVITES LATER DOESN'T REALLY HELP ME.
LIKE SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE CAN DO THAT BUT YEAH, I MEAN TYP, I KNOW ON THIS ONE WE SENT 'EM OUT I THINK A WEEK OR TWO IN ADVANCE.
UM, UH, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK IF YOU NEED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE HEADS UP.
WE'LL JUST, AND IT'S NOT IF YOU CAN A REQUIRED, IT'S REALLY JUST A, HEY IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S EASIER TO TALK IT OUT 'CAUSE I HAVE TO CALL A CONSULTANT AND BE LIKE, IS THIS WHAT YOU MEANT BY THIS OR IS THIS WHAT YOU MEANT? BECAUSE THE WAY I'M READING IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT COMING ACROSS LIKE EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I'M FIVE HERE.
SO
I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT ANYMORE.
BUT CERTAINLY IF WE WANNA DO SOMETHING SEPARATE OR I CAN, I'LL JUST START SAYING WE'LL PROBABLY START DOING 'EM ON WEDNESDAYS.
UM, AT LUNCH AND I'LL HAVE UM, ANGEL SET THOSE UP AND JUST WE CAN GET TOGETHER.
I THINK TUESDAYS, I KNOW IT'S HARD SOMETIMES.
THURSDAYS WERE, I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF DID A WEDNESDAYS AND THURSDAYS OF JUST IF YOU COULD HIT A WEDNESDAY CALL, IF YOU CAN HIT A THURSDAY CALL I DON'T MIND.
I CAN SIT AT MY DESK FOR, I'M USUALLY THERE ANYWAY DURING LUNCH, SO.
UH, JUST A QUICK SCHEDULING QUESTION.
WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING OUR NEXT PNC MEETING ON JULY 2ND, CORRECT.
IF WE CAN GET A QUORUM, THAT EMAIL WILL BE GOING OUT.
UM, AND THAT DOES ALSO, IF YOU HADN'T SEEN THE SCHEDULE, IT DOES PUSH COUNCIL ONE WEEK LATER.
SO WE WOULD BE HAVING TWO BACK TO BACK COUNCIL MEETINGS I THINK ON THE 11TH OF THE 18TH.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'LL BE SENDING OUT THAT NOTICE TODAY THAT WE ARE A MONTH OUT.
SO WE'LL BE SENDING OUT JUST A QUO CHECK TO SEE IF WE ARE STILL GOOD FOR THE SECOND.
UM, IF NOT WE CAN ALWAYS RESCHEDULE TO THAT FOLLOWING WEEK OR UM, YEAH BECAUSE IT WORKS BETTER.
WE'D STILL BE AHEAD OF COUNCIL AT THAT POINT.
WE WILL STILL BE AHEAD OF COUNCIL.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A FEW THINGS COMING IN THAT WILL BE AN INTERESTING MONTH JUST BECAUSE IF ANYTHING GOES THAT FIRST MEETING WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE SECOND MEETING JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT ONTO THAT, UM, THE BACK TO BACK.
IS THE CIP GETTING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL THIS WEEK OR IN TWO WEEKS? IT IS ON THURSDAY THIS WEEK? YES.
THAT WILL BE LIVE STREAMED AS WELL.
WHEN IS THAT? WHAT DAY? THURSDAY.
THE CRP WILL BE PRESENTED IS, IS ANYBODY FROM PLANNING AND ZONING GOING TO BE THERE IN PERSON POSSIBLY TO THESE TWO.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE IS OUR COMMENTS TO COUNCIL VERSION POTENTIALLY BEING GIVEN TO COUNCIL? I BELIEVE.
THANK YOU MATT? YEAH, THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE LAST TIME WE HAD A SATURDAY WORKSHOP AND THEN THAT'S WHAT ENDED UP GOING TO THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING I BELIEVE.
BUT YEAH, THEY GOT ALL THE OKAY, PERFECT.
SO, AND THAT IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, SO IF YOU DON'T WANT A SUPER LATE NIGHT, UM, YOU CAN TUNE IN AT 7:00 PM OR PROBABLY SEVEN 15.
ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL THE NORMAL THINGS, SEE THE PROCLAMATIONS AND WE'LL GO STRAIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER THEN LET US ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 8:14 PM WOW.