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GOOD EVENING.[Capital Improvements Advisory Committee on July 2, 2024. ]
THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR TUESDAY, JULY 2ND, 2024 AT 6:00 PM AND WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.AND COMMISSIONER CH WELL CHAIR SUSANNA BOYER.
SO WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE TONIGHT.
ANY CITIZEN WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, WE WILL OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT 6:01 PM ITEM NUMBER FOUR, 4.1 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE STUDY UPDATES.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE, UH, TONIGHT.
IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR TWO PACKETS FOR THE, UM, FINAL, WE ARE SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THESE IMPACT PIECE STUDIES.
UM, WHO WANTS TO START? DO YOU WANNA DO OKAY, DO WATER WAS TO START.
WHICH ONE? I THINK SHE SAID, WILL YOU DO ME A FAVOR? WILL YOU MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK IN THAT MICROPHONE? YES, SIR.
UM, CAN YOU GO PLUG IN ON THE FLOOR? OH, JOHN'S GONNA HELP.
SO, UH, ASHLEY, DO YOU HAVE THE, IT'S THE POWERPOINT THAT WAS IN THAT FOLDER.
DO WE HAVE A CLICKER TOO? OH, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS ONE.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? THERE YOU GO.
THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE.
UH, WE ARE HERE TO GIVE THE, AN UPDATE TO, UH, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
UM, TO START THIS OFF, I'M GONNA DO A OOPS, WHERE I CLICK AT THIS
UM, AS A REMINDER, I'M LANCE PERISHER.
I'M WITH KIMLEY HORN AND I HAVE HOPE NEWTON HERE.
UH, ALSO WITH OUR COMPANY, WE PUT, WE'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS IMPACT FEE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND, UH, MEETING WITH YOU GUYS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
SO, WHAT I WANNA DO, FIRST OFF, IS JUST A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR TO DATE, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THE IMPACT FEE THAT WE GENERATED FOR THIS.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THESE, THIS IN JANUARY, Y'ALL APPROVE THESE SERVICE AREAS.
AS A REMINDER, THE WATER SERVICE AREA IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE WASTEWATER ONE, WHICH COVERS THE ENTIRE ETJ.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY, ALSO OUR GROWTH RATES, UM, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED 10 POINT 45% FOR WATER AND 10 POINT 89% FOR WASTEWATER.
SO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT'S EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND THEN THIS WAS ALSO APPROVED IN JANUARY, THAT GROWTH RATE AS IT RELATES TO SERVICE UNITS, WE HAD AN ADDITION OF ON THE WATER SIDE, 17,219 SERVICE UNITS, WASTEWATER, 24,293 SERVICE UNITS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS PROJECTED BASED ON THESE GROWTH RATES.
UM, THE IMPACT FEE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, THIS WAS IN, UM, APRIL, APRIL 30TH WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS, IT WAS APPROVED.
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THIS IS THE 10 YEAR CIP FOR THE IMPACT FEE.THIS IS JUST A REMINDER OF THE, UH, WATER, WATER PROJECTS, PROPOSED WATER PROJECTS COMING OUT, UM, ON THIS LIST.
UH, NUMBERS ONE THROUGH 16 AND YOU, YOU CAN SEE 'EM ON THE MAP OR YOU CAN REFER TO THE, UH, THE, THE REPORT ITSELF.
WASTEWATER, THERE'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE PROJECTS FOR WASTEWATER COVERING THE ETJ AND A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER DOLLAR AMOUNT WITH THAT TOO.
SO, UH, THIS WAS THE LIST THAT Y'ALL SAW LAST TIME TOO, ONE THROUGH 48 AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT OFF LAST TIME.
AND WE WANT TO GO OVER, UH, A FEW THINGS WITH YOU.
THE RECOVERABLE COSTS AND OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE TO THIS TO COVER, TO GENERATE OUR IMPACT FEE NUMBER.
OKAY? SO, UM, SMALL TABLE, HARD TO READ.
UM, THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING PROJECTS AND THE PROPOSED PROJECTS.
SO PROPOSED ARE THE ONES YOU JUST SAW.
Y'ALL APPROVED THOSE LAST MEETING EXISTING.
WE WORK WITH CITY FINANCE AND CITY STAFF TO COME UP WITH THESE PROJECTS AND DETERMINE, NUMBER ONE, WHAT WAS THE, THE AVAILABLE OR THE, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT NUMBER RIGHT.
WE HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF, A BUNCH OF MEETINGS WITH THE STAFF TO GET THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT.
THEN ALSO, WHAT'S THE PERCENT CAPACITY? IS THERE ANY CAPACITY LEFT OVER IN THIS? AND IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, ARE WE EXPECTING TO USE UP ALL THE CAPACITY IN THIS? SO WHAT THAT GIVES IS THE PERCENTAGE LEFTOVER IS ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEE.
SO THAT'S YOUR FIRST COLUMN OVER, OR, OR THE, THE COLUMN SECOND FROM THE LEFT ON THIS, THE 2023, UH, OR 2033 PROJECTED RECOVERABLE COST IS THE USED FOR THE IMPACT FEE.
SO THE SAME THING GOES IN THE PROPOSED AS WELL.
WE, WE PROJECTED FORWARD OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE DOING, THE PERCENT THAT WILL BE, UM, THAT WILL BE USED IN CAPACITY.
AND WHAT'S REMAINING AFTER THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT'S, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS IMPACT FEE.
SO WHAT THAT IS, IS YOU HAVE A TOTAL PROJECT COST OF AROUND 185 MILLION AND A RECOVERABLE IMPACT FEE COST OF $128,000,870 AND 732, I'M SORRY, 870,732.
SO WE'LL GET INTO, FIRST OFF THE WATER IMPACT FEE ITSELF.
UM, WE HAVE IN, IN YOUR HANDS THE DRAFT REPORT.
SO JUST THE BACKUP, I'M JUST GOING OVER THE HIGH LEVEL THINGS AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS A RECAP OF WHAT I JUST SHOWED PLUS SOME MORE NUMBERS.
OKAY? AND, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH STAFF ON THIS AND WE WORKED WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL TO GENERATE THESE THINGS.
UM, SO MOVING DOWN THE LIST, EXISTING FUND BALANCE IS $0.
WE WERE TOLD THAT ALL THE EXISTING IMPACT FEE FUNDS HAS BEEN SPOKEN FOR.
SO WE'RE STARTING WITH A, WITH A BLANK CANVAS ON THAT.
THE NEXT TWO LINES ARE WHAT, WHAT WE SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING, THE NUMBER OF SERVICE UNITS AND THE INCREASE IN SERVICE UNITS.
OKAY? SO, UM, LINE THREE HAS THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS AT 17,000 FOR WATER.
THE TOTAL COST OF THE IMPACT FEE, 185 MILLION I JUST MENTIONED.
THE RECOVERABLE COST FOR THE IMPACT FEE, 128,000,007 870,732.
SO FROM HERE, THE CITY, CITY FINANCIAL AND OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSIS TOOK THESE NUMBERS AND LOOKED AT, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEXT FEW, UH, ROWS CONTAIN.
SO WE HAVE DEBT SERVICES THAT INCLUDES YOUR LOAN AMOUNTS AND ALSO ANY INTEREST EARNED IN THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL 62 MILLION ROUGHLY THAT WILL BE ADDED IN TO THAT RECOVERABLE COST.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT NEXT LINE IS.
191,000,862 IS THE RECOVERABLE COST PLUS YOUR FINANCING COSTS.
OKAY? AFTER THAT, THERE IS, BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, THE IMPACT FEES WORK, CHAPTER 3 95, YOUR EXISTING RATE PAYERS OVER THE LIFE OF THE LOAN BUILT INTO THEIR RATE, THEY'RE PAYING A LITTLE BIT INTO THESE IMPACT FEES.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT NEGATIVE 74 MILLION IS OVER THE LIFE OF THE LOAN.
WE EXPECT THERE'S A CREDIT FOR UTILITY REVENUES.
SO WE'RE NOT DOUBLE CHARGING CUSTOMERS FOR THIS.
SO THAT BRINGS YOUR RECOVERABLE COST OF THE WATER IMPACT FEE AND FINANCING TO 117,231,000.
IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS, YOU GET YOUR IMPACT.
FEE FOR WATER WE'RE PROPOSING IS $6,808 PER SERVICE UNIT PER HOUSE IS WHAT THAT IS.
OKAY? AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ALL SOME COMPARISONS AFTER THIS, BUT LET ME JUST GET THROUGH THE WASTEWATER.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME, SAME KIND OF SHOW ON THAT.
AND THEN WE WILL LOOK AT WHERE YOU STAND WITH OTHERS AND, UM, AND, UH, GET YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT.
SO AGAIN, WASTEWATER, THESE WERE THE EXISTING PROJECTS.
WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE THE CAPACITY, THE, THE THE
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AVAILABLE CAPACITY OVER THE NEXT TWO YEAR 10 YEARS AND THE ACTUAL PROJECT COST AND WHAT DOES THAT RECOVERABLE AMOUNT.AND HERE WE HAVE THE TOTAL PROJECT, EXISTING PROJECT COSTS IS AROUND 36 MILLION.
OUR PROJECTED RECOVERABLE COST 2033 IS 9.7 MILLION.
THAT $9,772,883 NUMBER FOR EXISTING.
OKAY? NOW PROPOSED, I HAD TO BREAK THIS OUT INTO TWO SLIDES JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
OH, AND THE VER VERY FAR RIGHT IS THE TOTAL PROJECT COST.
AND THE SECOND FROM THE RIGHT IS THE PROJECTED RECOVERABLE COST.
SO IF YOU TAKE ALL THESE ACROSS THE 48 PROJECTS, 49 PROJECTS, YOU'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A, UM, RECOVERABLE COST OF 334,664,700.
AND, UM, 22, I MIGHT BE MAYBE, I'M SORRY, I'M READING THE WRONG LINE.
$334,437,605 IS A PROJECTED RECOVERABLE COST BASED ON ALL THESE PROJECTS FROM THE CIP THAT INCLUDES, THE ONE I READ BEFORE WAS, UH, JUST PROPOSED.
THE ONE AT THE BOTTOM IS EXISTING AND PROPOSED.
UH, ON THE WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE, CIP, THERE WERE 48, BUT THIS HAS 49.
I THINK WHAT IT HAS WITH THE ADDITIONAL, IT'S THE, THE FUTURE STUDY IT NUMBER 49 IS THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE.
SO WE INCLUDED THAT FOR WHEN Y'ALL UPDATE THIS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT IS REIMBURSED, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR IT.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S 48 ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
I MEAN ON, UM, THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE FIRST TABLE THERE ARE 48, FINITE NUMBER 48 IS WASTEWATER IMPACT.
THE UPDATE OVER HERE, 49 IS WASTE.
UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOLVED RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS A DISCREPANCY.
UM, WE WORKED WITH STAFF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, SOME OF GLEN THE, UH, WHOOPS, I WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.
WE ADDED ONE IN AND PROPOSED BECAUSE OF HOW THE GLENWOOD LIFT STATION WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, INTERCEPTOR AND, UH, DECOMMISSIONING FUNCTION WITH THE CITY.
AND THAT IS, UH, IT IS LINE EIGHT PR SIX CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LIFT STATION NUMBER TWO BETWEEN PROJECTS.
IT'S THAT, THANK YOU, APPRECIATE, GOOD CATCH
SO AGAIN, WITH THIS, THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE, UM, Y'ALL CAN SEE THE NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM GOING THROUGH THIS.
OUR ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS ARE 24,293 SERVICE UNITS.
THE TOTAL COST WAS 602 MILLION.
THE RECOVERABLE COST IS 334 MILLION, FOUR $37,605 DEBT SERVICES.
THAT'S YOUR, UM, YOUR FINANCING COSTS.
SO THAT GETS ADDED TO THE, UH, ADDED TO THE RECOVERABLE COST.
SO YOUR, YOUR RECOVERABLE COST PLUS DEBT SERVICES IS 486,736,321 MINUS THOSE UTILITY, UH, CREDIT REVENUES, UH, CREDIT FOR UTILITY REVENUES, WHICH IS A 178 MILLION.
YOU GET YOUR RECOVERABLE COST FOR THIS, THIS 10 YEAR PERIOD TO BE 307,307 MILLION, SEVEN 99,160, DIVIDING THAT BY YOUR, YOUR, UH, ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS OF 24,293.
LINE THREE, YOUR IMPACT FEE LOOKING AT FOR WASTEWATER IS $12,670 PER SERVICE UNIT.
UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT COMPARISONS, THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, AND I KNOW I, I JUST THREW A TON OF NUMBERS AT Y'ALL, SO, UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT COMPARISONS IN YOUR NEXT SLIDE.
THIS, THIS OFFERS, WE, WE OFFERED ONE, ONE COMPARISON TO YOUR NEIGHBOR PFLUGERVILLE.
AND THEN I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE AFTER THIS WILL BE IN THE REGION WHERE YOU, WHERE HOW YOUR IMPACT FEES LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO THE OTHER CITIES.
UM, THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH PFLUGERVILLE THEIR ELIGIBLE IMPACT FEE WAS VERSUS THEIR ADDITIONAL LUE.
PFLUGERVILLE HAD 370 MILLION IN WATER WITH A REALLY, UH, HIGH NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL SERVICES.
SO THEIR IMPACT FEE FOR WATER WAS 14,713.
NOW I WANNA ADDRESS THE, UH, THE HU WATER.
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FROM 2021 ACTUALLY HAS GONE DOWN A LITTLE, UH, FROM, WITH 2024, UH, YOUR CURRENT IMPACT FEE IS $8,832 PER SERVICE UNIT.WE'RE PROPOSING $6,808 PER SERVICE UNIT.
WHY? THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE 10.45% GROWTH RATE.
THAT ADDITIONAL 17,000 SERVICE UNITS WE PROJECT DRIVES YOUR NUMBER DOWN.
BUT IT'S ALL MATH, IT ALL WORKS THERE.
YOU EVEN, YOU HAVE MORE ELIGIBLE RECOVERY IMPACT FEE THAN YOU DID IN 2021.
2021 HAD 74 MILLION, YOU HAVE 117 MILLION.
IT'S THE DENOMINATOR, IT'S THAT GROWTH RATE, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ACCOUNTED FOR.
WASTEWATER, HOWEVER, WENT UP, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES HIGHER THAN BEFORE DUE TO, YOU CAN SEE THAT 300 MILLION IN IMPACT FEE RECOVERY VERSUS 2021 45 MILLION.
SO HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO YOU GUYS LOOK ON THIS? MY FINAL SLIDE, UM, HU Y'ALL ARE THIRD FROM THE THIRD HIGHEST IN THE REGION WITH THIS.
SO YOU CAN SEE COLLEEN UP AT THE TOP OF AROUND.
UM, Y'S IS ABOUT ALMOST $20,000 FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, JUST BEHIND NEW BRAUNFELS.
AND THEN PFLUGERVILLE SERVICE AREA TOO, UM, IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE WITH THE HIGH WATER COST AND THEIR HIGHWAYS WATER COSTS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU GUYS ARE STANDING ON THIS.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU, WE WE DO THESE VERY LARGE PROJECTS AND, AND UH, USE THE IMPACT FEES TO, TO PAY FOR THEM.
SO JUST TO, OH, SORRY, A QUICK QUESTION.
SO A WHILE AGO YOU HAD JUST SHOWN LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FOR HUDA, WE'RE COMPARING TO OUR 2021 NUMBERS.
SO FOR ALL OF THESE SHOWN ARE ALL OF THESE WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS? UH, MOST OF THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE ON SOME OF THE TOP ONES, BUT I KNOW THAT NEW BRAUNFELS IS PRETTY CURRENT.
UH, GEORGETOWN'S WAS PRETTY CURRENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT ARE THE, THE HIGHER AMOUNTS ARE DEFINITELY WITHIN THE FA PAST FEW YEARS.
'CAUSE EVERYONE IS TRYING TO BUILD AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A FAIR COMPARISON IF WE'RE SAYING LIKE THE TOP SECTION IS ACTUALLY FROM LIKE 2017.
AND THE BOTTOM SECTION IS IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE AREA IS GONNA HAVE TO RAISE THESE RATES.
RIGHT? SO JUST FROM A GRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE MUCH WORSE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER ONES AREN'T.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR UPDATE.
THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU NEED TO, TO LOOK, WHICH I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE ARE PRESENTING THIS AND WE'RE COMING BACK DURING THE P AND Z MEETING FOR ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THIS NO, NO.
SO, UM, AS A REMINDER, HERE'S, HERE'S YOUR PROPOSED IMPACT FEES THAT WE RECOMMEND.
SO WITH US INCREASING THE WASTEWATER UP AS MUCH AS IT IS, IS THAT GONNA PREVENT, UM, CONSTANT NITPICKING OF FEES EVERYWHERE ELSE ACROSS THE BOARD? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO DO HERE? UM, 'CAUSE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, RESIDENTS HAVE HAD TO GET A FEE FOR THIS AND A FEE FOR THAT AND A FEE FOR THIS.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, WHY WE'RE BUMPING UP SO MUCH.
IT'S, UNLESS IT'S ACTUALLY BEING HELPFUL FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS, UM, THE CURRENT RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO PAY THIS.
IF YOU DON'T, IF WE DON'T CHARGE THIS IMPACT FEE, THEN WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THIS? LIKE, WHAT IF WE MADE WASTEWATER LESS? WHAT IF YOU MADE WASTEWATER $8,000 IN IMPACT A UH, PER IMPACT FEE? YOU CAN DO THAT MATH.
I THINK IF WE, IF WE MADE IT $8,000 AND WE HAD, SO LET ME DO 8,000 TIMES, UH, 24, 293, THAT'S 194 MILLION.
THAT'S SHY OF 307 MILLION THAT YOU COULD RECOVER.
SO THE IDEA IS, UM, NOT TO NITPICK FEES, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST MAKING, HAVING THE GROWTH PAY FOR GROWTH OR IT GOES, IT IS GONNA GO BACK TO SOMEONE, IT GOES BACK TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS OR IT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT'S MY QUESTION IS I HAVE EXISTING RESIDENTS ASKING ME WHY THEY'RE HAVING INCREASED FEES.
WHEN THERE'S NEW GROWTH HAPPENING AND WHY ISN'T NEW GROWTH? SO IS THIS TO TAKE CARE OF US CONTINUING TO HAVING TO INCREASE FEES? THE, YOU'RE, I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER RATES.
THESE ARE, THIS IS SEPARATE THAN THAT.
SO THESE IMPACT FEES THEY DON'T SEE ON THIS.
OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS A NEW HOUSE BEING CONSTRUCTED.
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THEY SEE IT IN THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE THOUGH, I THINK.BUT TO JARED'S POINT THOUGH, THIS WILL HELP THOSE FEES THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD INCREASED, IT'LL HELP THEM FROM INCREASING EVEN FURTHER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS WILL HELP US OFFSET RIGHT.
WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR NOW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THIS SOONER.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT I NEED.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT CITIZENS KEEP COMING TO ME ABOUT IS WHY DO OUR FEES KEEP GOING UP IF, IF NEW HOMES AREN'T PAYING FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR ISSUES.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
SO THE, TO TO YOUR QUESTION, TWO THINGS.
SO YES, WE DID JUST RAISE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES BECAUSE OF ALL THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THE IMPACT FEES ARE NOT COVERING THE COSTS.
AND IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE GROWING, WE HAD TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR ALL OF THAT STUFF.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO $180 MILLION WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE GOTTA COME UP WITH THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE 'CAUSE WE MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS BY STAFF OF DOING THIS IMPACT FEE STUDY, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S DUE, BUT WAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE SHOULD BE CHARGING AND THEN BRING THAT TO CITY COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ON IF THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO CHARGE THOSE OR IF THEY HAVE SOME OTHER IDEA ON HOW TO MAKE UP ANY SHORTFALLS THAT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
SO I THINK TO TAG ONTO THAT QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LOOK AT WATER, WE'RE ESTIMATING $186 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO COVER ALL OF OUR CIP THAT WE'VE LAID OUT.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT BY DOING THIS, BY COMBINING BOTH THE IMPACT FEES AND THE PORTION OF OUR UTILITY REVENUES THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS THIS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, ONCE YEAR 10 HITS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FULLY PAY FOR THAT ENTIRE LIST OF CIP PROJECTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S YES, PARTIALLY, BUT IT'S WHAT IS ACTUALLY, SO SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING WILL GO BEYOND 10 YEARS.
SO THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT RECOVERABLE COST WE CALCULATED THIS SHOULD COVER THAT.
WITH THOSE, NO, I, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FROM, FROM THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE FEES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE DOING THIS OVER TIME.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE'LL DO SOONER.
SO AS WE ISSUE BONDS FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF, LIKE WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO SOME OF OUR COSTS MIGHT BE UPFRONT A LITTLE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
BUT OVERALL, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS ONCE WE HIT THAT KIND OF 10 YEAR MARK, WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT FULL AMOUNT OF ALL OUR IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO NECESSARILY COLLECT ANY MORE MONEY THROUGH FEES AND OTHER MEANS.
SO LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BY NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION,
THEN THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
HOWEVER YOU ALL KNOW INFLATION, THAT EVERY YEAR WE DEAL WITH INFLATION AND EVERY YEAR I BRING TO YOU A NEW CIP WHERE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SHUFFLED AROUND AND MAYBE A NEW PROJECT HAS POPPED UP THAT WASN'T ON OUR RADAR.
AND SO THIS IS OUR BEST EFFORT OF ANTICIPATING EVERYTHING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE ANTICIPATED.
SO, SO YOUR YES ANSWER IS PENDING ANY REQUIRED CHANGES TO THE CIP ORDERING OR PENDING INFLATION GETTING CRAZY, THEN YES, THIS WOULD COVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS WORTH OF PROJECTS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.
THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
'CAUSE HER QUESTION WAS VALID ABOUT THE FEES AND I KNOW, AND I WILL BE HONEST, I'M SURE IF WE HAVE TO FRONT LOAD SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THERE MIGHT BE A FEW FEES WE HAVE TO PUT IN AT THE NEAR TERM TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE SOONER.
BUT AS WE GET CLOSER TO 10 YEARS, HOPEFULLY THE PLAN FROM STAFF AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IS THAT WE START REMOVING THOSE AND REDUCING THOSE AS WE START GETTING THE RECOVERABLE COSTS BACK.
WELL, AND AND MY BIGGEST, WHAT I'M GETTING THE MOST OUT OF IS THERE'S SOME STUFF GOING AROUND ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT IF WE DIDN'T INCREASE COSTS FOR WASTEWATER AND WATER THIS YEAR BY FIVE $10, THAT IT WAS GONNA BE $50 IN A COUPLE YEARS.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASKED ME QUESTIONS AND BE LIKE, NO, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TO HELP WITH.
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US GETTING HIT WITH A $50 INCREASE IN A COUPLE YEARS IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH MY QUESTION.SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE $50 INCREASE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
UM, THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE BY FINANCE DID SHOW THAT IF WE DID NOT INCREASE THE FEES THAT WITHIN, I DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS.
I THINK IT WAS WITHIN THREE YEARS, OUR UTILITY FUND WOULD BE UPSIDE DOWN.
AND SO THAT'S INCLUDING USING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN OUR IMPACT FEES, EVERYTHING THAT WE GET IN REVENUE, ALL THE, ALL THE PROJECTIONS SHOWED THAT WITHIN THREE YEARS OUR UTILITY FUND WOULD BE UPSIDE DOWN.
AND SO THEIR MATH INDICATED THAT IN ORDER TO AVOID THAT, WE COULD DO A $10 WATER INCREASE AND A $10 WASTEWATER INCREASE AND THAT WOULD HELP FIX THE PROBLEM AND GET US TO WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING UPSIDE DOWN IN THREE YEARS.
UH, SO ASSUMING THAT THINGS AREN'T STATIC, UM, WHAT, IS THERE A LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW THESE FEES AT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME?
AND WHAT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT IF TWO YEARS COMES UP AND WE NEED TO DRASTICALLY DO TWO YEARS, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT? SO A LOT OF THE CITIES, BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING SO DYNAMICALLY IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS REGION, A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE DECIDED TO REVISIT THEIR IMPACT FEES EVERY TWO YEARS.
BY STATUTE WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THIS WAS LAST, YOUR IMPACT FEES ARE LAST UPDATED IN 2021.
SO JUST WHEN YOU ADD ON A BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS, YOU WANT TO GO LOOK, LOOK AT THAT NUMBER.
SO WITH THE, THE TWO TO THREE YEAR GIVES US ENOUGH, ARE YOU GUYS ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY THAT WE CAN KEEP IN FRONT OF WHAT OUR CIP OUR, OUR FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE I HOPE FREIGHT TRAIN THAT WE'RE BEHIND? YES, YES.
WE'LL GET BACK IN
WELL, THAT ALSO BRINGS UP AN LIKE GOING, I'M, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING BACK TO IT 'CAUSE I'M, UM, WE DID THIS THREE YEARS AGO AND THE RATES THAT WE WENT THROUGH THREE YEARS AGO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUFFICIENT.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU SAID IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS IF WE DIDN'T INCREASE OUR WATER RATES AND STUFF, THAT IT WOULD'VE TOPPLED EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS? ARE WE, ARE WE IN A BETTER PLACE NOW OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE RATES AGAIN FOR RESIDENTS, CURRENT RESIDENTS? LIKE THAT'S WHERE I'M, I WOULD RATHER NEW RESIDENTS BUILD IT INTO THEIR STUFF BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES IMPACTING US VERSUS RESIDENTS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
SO, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FEEDING PEOPLE OUT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE.
SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TRY TO HELP WITH THAT QUESTION.
I WASN'T HERE THREE YEARS AGO.
AND WE LOVE THAT YOU'RE HERE NOW.
SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT OUTTA MY LANE TRYING TO GO BACK INTO WHAT HAPPENED WHILE I WASN'T HERE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THREE YEARS AGO THERE WAS A ABBREVIATED UPDATE TO YOUR MASTER PLAN AND THAT THEN ALLOWED THEM TO DO THE UPDATE TO THE IMPACT FEE BECAUSE YOUR IMPACT FEE IS BUILT OFF YOUR MASTER PLAN.
UM, WHAT THEY COULD NOT HAVE ANTICIPATED THREE YEARS AGO WAS EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED SINCE 2021, WHICH IS SAMSUNG AND, AND ALL THE OTHER MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE REGION, WHICH IS TRIGGERING A VERY LARGE WASTEWATER PLANT PROJECT, WHICH IS ONE, IT'S PHASE ONE OF THREE AT THE SOUTH PLANT AND WE HAVE TWO PHASES AT THE CENTRAL PLANT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY GRAPPLING WITH, AND IT'S NOT JUST US, IT'S THE ENTIRE REGION IS THE WATER SHORTAGES.
AND SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GO OUT AND GET MORE SOURCES OF WATER, DO WE IMPROVE OUR WELL FIELD? DO GO BUY MORE WELL FIELD, DO WE LOOK AT SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE? ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEST GUESS, UM, FROM ANY ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND IT'S NOT IN THIS PLAN, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT IN THIS FEE STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S THE, THAT'S WHY I SAID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STATIC AND DYNAMIC.
IF WE TAKE A STATIC LOOK, WHICH IS THE BEST WE CAN DO AT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND WHAT WE THINK IS COMING, THEN THIS IS OUR BEST EFFORT AT TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL THOSE COSTS.
I MEAN, WE COULD LAND SOME MASSIVE PROJECT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE EVERYBODY'S LIVES AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS WOULD BE
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OUT THE WINDOW.UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST ONE IS ON THE WATER, UM, IS THE, ARE THE CIP THE WATER CIP PROJECTS GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH AN ADDITIONAL 14,000 LUS OVER 10 YEARS.
SO THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE FOR THAT.
UM, THE, THE WATER, THE WATER ACQUISITION, MATT CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT
SO YEAH, SO THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CIP DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS OR THE ETJ, WHICH MEANS THAT THE ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCES, WHICH FOR ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THE REGION, WE'RE HAVING TO PUT LONG STRAWS IN THE GROUND AND, AND GO GRAB WATER FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SO IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CIP, HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS GONE OUT AND ACQUIRED CONTRACTS WITH OTHER WATER PROVIDERS.
AND SO CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST DOING WATER RESERVATION FEES AND WE ARE PASSING THOSE FEES ON DEVELOPERS AS THEY COME ON BOARD SO THAT THEY ARE PAYING THE RESERVATION FOR US.
AND I AM GOING KIND OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, LOOKING AT OUR WATER SERVICE AREA, UH, DO WE HAVE LAND TO ADD ANOTHER 14,000 L LUE WORTH OF CUSTOMERS IN OUR WATER SERVICE AREA? YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE, SO WHERE THESE CAME FROM, THE ADDITIONAL LUS WERE FROM THE COMP PLAN AND THE MASTER AND THE WATER MASTER PLAN.
SO THE COMP PLAN HAS THE, THE OUTLINES THE GROWTH OF IT AND IN EACH S IN EACH LITTLE AREA WITHIN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THESE FROM.
AND AND I LOOKED AT THOSE SURE.
AND I WAS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS ON THOSE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 10 YEAR CIP WATER.
AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT MATCHES UP WITH WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT SEVEN LUS ON A PRIVATE RESIDENCE PROPERTY
SO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, THE, THESE PROPOSED PROJECTS CAME FROM THE MASTER PLAN.
THE MASTER PLAN WENT OUT 20 YEARS AND IT INCREMENTALLY MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MGD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT MATT AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING WITH TO GET, YOU KNOW, THOSE ADDITIONAL WATER RIGHTS.
BUT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN HERE IS DESIGNED TO PUSH THAT WATER AROUND BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE.
AND THEN KIND OF A, UH, RELATED QUESTION REGARDING THE IMPACT FEES, STATUTORILY WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO WITH OUR WATER IMPACT FEE BEING HIGHER THAN THE PROPOSED 2024 IMPACT FEE, COULD WE KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD TWO YEARS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, I I MEAN THAT'S 2000, THAT'S 2000 PER PER LUE JUST VOID THE WATER IMPACT FEE STUDY I DO THE WASTEWATER.
I THINK THE PROBLEM THERE IS THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN GO AHEAD AND DO THE WASTEWATER, I THINK THAT WOULD OPEN US UP TO A POTENTIAL LITIGATION SAYING THAT WE WILLINGLY IGNORED ONE BECAUSE IT BENEFITED US.
SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD REASON TO NOT, IT'LL BE, IT, IT'S IGNORE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DOWN, BUT YOU'VE GOT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR GROWTH.
IF AS LONG AS THE GROWTH COMES IN, IT'S ALL SURE.
BUT IF, IF THE GROWTH COMES IN AND THEY'RE GETTING AN $8,800 IMPACT FEE FOR WATER YEAH.
WELL, BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, UH, GAMBLING WITH LITIGATION, THEN WHY BOTHER
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S WHAT I HAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THESE ARE OUR, THESE ARE THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'RE ASKING THE CIAC TO, UH, CONSIDERATION.
A RECOMMEND A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF THESE EFFECTIVE, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES.
AND LAST QUESTION ON THE FEES.
IS THIS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED AMOUNT? YEP.
THIS IS THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE FEE ACCORDING TO CHAPTER 3 95 THAT WE CALCULATED.
I AM LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION THEN TO CITY COUNCIL
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WHO WOULD LIKE TO VOICE THAT.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A WATER SERVICE IMPACT FEE, A RATE OF $6,808 AND A WASTEWATER SERVICE IMPACT FEE OF ONE THOU, UH, $12,670.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE EFFECTIVE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES OF $6,808 FOR THE WATER IMPACT FEE AND $12,670 FOR THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? WE'LL VOTE NOW.
EDMUND HOES WITH TERESA NICHOLS.
ELLEN, UH, AMARE, UH, WHO ASSISTED IN THE TECHNICAL NUMBER CRUNCH FOR THE ROADWAY COMPONENT.
UH, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, RE REGARDING THE ROAD PIECE, UM, KIND OF SIMILAR TO LANCE, UM, AND HOPE'S PRESENTATION, KIND OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHAT WE'VE APPROVED INTO THE TECHNICAL NUMBER CRUNCH.
UH, AND THEN INTO KIND OF POLICY DISCUSSION ON POTENTIAL COLLECTION RATES.
SO I'M GONNA ADVANCE THE SLIDE HERE, I THINK.
UM, BY, BY WAY OF PROCESS, VERY SIMILAR TO, TO, TO THE WATER WASTEWATER, UM, APPROACH THE DEVELOPMENT OF TENURE FORECAST, HOW WE'RE GONNA GROW, DEFINITION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS GROWTH.
UH, THEN FROM THERE, IT'S A STRAIGHT NUMBER CRUNCH BASED ON COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES PER THE CIP.
UH, AND THEN BASED ON THE INTENT, THE FORECASTED GROWTH, IT'S THE COST PER SERVICE.
IT'S THE COST OF NECESSITATED GROWTH DIVIDED BY THE SERVICE UNITS OF GROWTH IN THAT 10 YEAR WINDOW.
THAT BECOMES OUR COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
NOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS THAT WE'RE NOW DEALING WITH FOUR SERVICE AREAS FOR ROADS, NOT ONE FOR WASTEWATER, NOT ONE FOR WATER.
WE GOT FOUR FOR ROADS BECAUSE WE HAVE DIVIDED THE CITY, UH, INTO NEW, UH, NEW SERVICE AREA STRUCTURE.
AND THAT IMAGE THERE IS DEPICTED ON THE RIGHT.
UM, THE FINAL REPORT WILL REALLY ONLY SHOW THE SERVICE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
'CAUSE BY LAW FOR ROADS, WE CAN ONLY COLLECT THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
BUT WE, WE LEFT THIS, UM, THIS GRAPHIC UP 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING LONG-TERM GROWTH AS POTENTIAL ANNEXATIONS OCCUR.
UH, THAT THEY WOULD INC THEY WOULD COME INTO SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC ZONES.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS REVISED STRUCTURE, YOU WERE AT ONE, YOU SIT IN 2018, YOU'RE ABLE TO FIT IT WITHIN ONE SIX MILE BUBBLE.
NOW YOU'RE JUST STRETCHED OUT FAR ENOUGH THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND SO WE, WE DECIDED IN, IN WORKING WITH STAFF THAT WE WOULD DO THAT NOW.
UM, SO THAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE LONG RUN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CHANGES OTHER THAN ANNEXED AREAS IN, IN THE SUBSEQUENT UPDATES.
SO THAT'S THE SERVICE AREA STRUCTURE, NORTHEAST, SOUTH, AND WEST THAT WE'VE CALLED IT, UM, BY WAY OF GROWTH.
UM, YOU MIGHT RECALL IN OUR FIRST, UH, MEETING, WE DISCUSSED GROWTH RATES.
AND THEN, UM, IN THE SECOND MEETING WE WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.
YOU ALL, UH, APPROVE THOSE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS.
BUT THIS REALLY, THE SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE 8.75% POPULATION GROWTH, UH, FOR POPULATION, WHICH REALLY IS ABOUT 42,000 FOLKS, UH, COMING TO, UH, HU OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW.
AND THEN ABOUT A 9% EMPLOYMENT GROWTH, UM, UH, FOR YOUR BASIC, YOUR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, UM, AND, UH, OTHER NON-RETAIL, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL, SORRY, TYPE DEVELOPMENT, ABOUT 24,000 EMPLOYEES.
THIS WAS A BREAKDOWN BASED ON THE ALLOCATION.
YOU MIGHT RECALL IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION HOW WE ALLOCATED BY THE SERVICE AREAS.
THIS WAS THE SUMMARY OF WHERE THAT GROWTH WAS OCCURRING.
A MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH PRIMARILY IN SERVICE AREA EAST POPULATION WISE, UH, AND IN THE WEST, UM, EMPLOYMENT WISE, UH, BOTH IN THE EAST AND THE WEST.
UH, AGAIN, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BREAKDOWN OF WHERE WE SEE, WE SEE THOSE, UM, THE, THE GROWTH FROM THERE.
UH, WE WORKED, UH, TO DEFINE THE CIP.
AND SO WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR INITIAL MEETING WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CIP
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DO WE NEED TO PUT, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO COVER 10 YEAR GROWTH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH HAPPENING, THERE'S THE BENEFIT TO PUTTING THE WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN INTO THE PROGRAM.UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
AND SO THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS THAT IMAGE THAT YOU ALL SAW LAST MAY, I THINK IT WAS MID-MAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
BUT, UH, TWO KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE DEPICTED PINK ARE THOSE PLANNED PROJECTS.
THESE ARE ROAD WIDENINGS AND OR NEW ROADWAYS ALTOGETHER THAT ALIGN WITH YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
NOW THERE'S ONLY ONE RECOUPMENT PROJECT THERE IN THE, IN THE, UM, WEST SERVICE AREA.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE PIECE OF LIMB LOOP, UM, UM, THAT HAS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN GREEN.
AND WE'RE RECOUPING THE COST OF EXCESS CAPACITY ON THAT PROJECT.
THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE INITIALLY CLASSIFIED AS RECOUPMENTS, BUT AFTER DELVING INTO THE DETAIL, THOSE WERE REALLY PAID FOR BY DEVELOPERS.
EVEN THOUGH THEY GOT A CREDIT, THEY WERE PAID BY DEVELOPERS, NOT THE TOWN.
WE PULLED THOSE OUT, UH, TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
UH, SO BY WAY OF A SNAPSHOT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT RECALL THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR CLASS FACILITIES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR INCORPORATION INTO THE TRANSPORTATION, UM, IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
STATE FACILITIES, FACILITIES ARE ELIGIBLE ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE ONLY INCLUDING THE, THE PORTION OF COST THAT THE CITY MIGHT CONTRIBUTE ON THOSE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, UM, FM 1660, UM, IF, IF THE CITY'S ONLY GONNA BE CONTRIBUTING A PORTION OF THAT IE UP TO 20%, THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE THAT WE INCLUDED IN IT.
UM, THE TYPES OF COSTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE IS REALLY ALL THE COST TO PUT THAT A PER ON THE GROUND CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING RIGHT OF WAY.
DEBT SERVICE, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UM, UH, BRIDGE STRUCTURES OR CULVERTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, WORK COST ASSESSMENT, WORKSHEETS, PLANNING LEVEL, UH, COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS.
UH, SO WE HAVE ROUGHLY 83 PROJECTS IN THE PROGRAM.
UM, SO IN THE BACK OF THE APPENDICES, THERE'S A, A, A VERY THICK VOLUME OF, OF THE BREAKOUT OF COSTS.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE COSTS THAT ARE NOT ONLY ALIGNED WITH THE PROJECT, BUT WHAT PORTION ARE ELIGIBLE AS PART OF IMPACT V UH, PROGRAMMING.
THE, UM, WE WE'RE ADDING, THE CAPACITY THAT'S BEING ADDED IS A LITTLE OVER 39,000 VEHICLE MILES OF CAPACITY.
'CAUSE ROADS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WATER WASTEWATER, RIGHT? WE'RE DEALING WITH AN OPEN SYSTEM OF IMPROVEMENTS.
OTHER FOLKS ARE CUTTING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY TO CHEWING UP SOME OF THAT CAPACITY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WATER AND WASTEWATER.
THEY'RE DEALING WITH A CLOSED SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THOSE RATES.
THE USER RATES, THIS IS NOW OPEN.
WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, OF THE PROGRAM? YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH TO GET, GET YOU STARTED SIGNIFICANTLY GET THESE PROGRAMS STARTED.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF HUD OAK PASSING THROUGH ARE GONNA BE CHEWING UP SOME OF YOUR CAPACITY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, YOU WILL LOSE SOME OF THAT TO CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SO WE GOT ABOUT, AND WE HAVE NET CAPACITY OF ABOUT 3 7 9 THAT'S BEING PROVIDED IN THIS, IN THE PROGRAM.
UM, THE, THE, THE COST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, ABOUT $161 MILLION OF, OF COST, UM, THE COST OF NET CAPACITY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE PART THAT WE, YOU HAVE TO NET OUT WHAT'S BEING UTILIZED OR WHAT'S CONSUMED.
WE HAVE ABOUT 153 THAT'S ELIGIBLE.
THE GROWTH THAT'S FORECASTED OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW IS ABOUT 144,000 VMT.
SO WE'RE CONSUMING ALL THAT CAPACITY.
OKAY? SO I I, I CAN HEAR YOUR QUESTION ALREADY.
SO DO WE NEED MORE ROADS? WELL, WE COULD PUT MORE ROAD DOWN IF WE WANT, BUT THEN IT BECOMES A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
ARE WE GONNA BE PUTTING DOWN EIGHT LANE ROADS TO SERVE OTHERS IN MY COMMUNITY? I WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IT'S, UM, IT WOULD BE WITHIN YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I WOULD SAY YOU STICK WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WAS DEVISED AS PART OF THE SOAR, UH, 2040 THAT'S ALIGNED WITH YOUR LAND USES.
UH, SO, BUT BOTTOM LINE, WE'RE GONNA BE CONSUMING ALL THAT CAPACITY.
SO WHAT IT, IT DOES GONNA HAVE A KIND OF A DIFFERENT EFFECT ON THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
OKAY? WHEN WE DO THE CALCULATION, WE HAVE A FINITE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE GROWTH OCCURRING.
IT'S GONNA STRETCH THAT COST OUT, REDUCING THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
SO IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE, YOU'LL, IS PART OF YOUR DELIBERATION ON A COLLECTION RATE, WE CAN COLLECT UP TO THAT CREDITED MAX.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHO PICKS THAT UP? THAT'S YOUR TAX BASE.
WHO PICKS UP THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT? SO THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER THERE.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE CONSUMING ALL THE CAPACITY, ALL OF THE COST OF THE NET CAPACITY, ALL OF IT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO GROWTH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA USE IT ALL BOTTOM LINE.
OKAY? THE, THERE'S, THERE'S PROJECT TABLES THAT LIST EACH PROJECT BY SERVICE AREA, PROJECT NAME, THE LIMITS, THE NUMBER OF LANES THAT WE'RE ADDING, THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAT'S BEING ADDED INTO THE PROGRAM, THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, ET CETERA.
SO WE CAN HAVE THE, UH, ENUMERATION OF, UM, CAPACITY BEING PROVIDED, AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY,
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THE EXCESS CAPACITY THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN THE COST CALCULATION.UM, THIS, THIS HERE KIND OF SUMMARIZES A BREAKDOWN OF THAT CAPACITY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I KILLED THE WRONG TABLE.
I WANTED TO SHOW THE 10 YEAR GROWTH.
BUT THIS, THIS REALLY KIND OF BREAKS DOWN OF THOSE PROJECTS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND, AND THE EXCESS CAPACITY OF THAT ONE GREEN, THERE'S WHERE THE, THE NEW CAPACITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED BY SERVICE AREA.
THERE IS SOME, SOME, THERE ARE SOME DEFICIENCIES IN THE NETWORK, BUT ON THE FAR RIGHT IS OF THE NET CAPACITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED, OKAY? BY WAY OF THE COST ASSUMPTIONS, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, CONSTRUCTION OR, OR STRAIGHT FROM UNIT COST, UH, APPROACH THAT WE HAVE APPLIED.
WE, WE REVIEWED UNIT COSTING ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT HERE WITHIN HUDU, UH, AND IN THE CLOSE VICINITY TO HUDU.
SO WE HAVE SOME GOOD UNIT COSTING THAT WE APPLIED INTO EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND THE COST ESTIMATES, ENGINEERING IS TYPICALLY A PERCENTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, 13% OF CONSTRUCTION.
WE DELVED INTO A LITTLE ANALYSIS ON RIGHT OF WAY, OKAY? SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DO THE DETAIL OF HOW MUCH, UM, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY IS NEEDED ALONG EVERY LITTLE PIECE OF ROAD.
WE MORE OR LESS MADE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE GENERAL AMOUNT OF ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
AND THEN IT'S THE EXCESS TO GET TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN STANDARD.
OKAY? SO WE'VE INCLUDED THE COST OF THE ADDED RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED TO GET TO THOROUGHFARE, BUT THEN IT BECOMES OF WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND SO, UH, WE WENT INTO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, 2024 VALUATIONS.
WE PULLED ABOUT 50, 55 PROPERTIES ALONG ARTERIAL STREETS, OKAY? RANDOMLY ALONG ARTERIAL, BUT IN BOTH, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.
AND WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THAT.
BASICALLY, WE FOUND THAT THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT FOR RIGHT OF WAY IS ABOUT $2 AND 53 CENTS.
WE'RE ASSUMING TWO 50 FOR THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, BUT ABOUT TWO 50 FOR PROJECTS WITHIN WHAT I CALL THE URBAN CORE.
SO PROJECTS GENERALLY SAY LIMB OR LOOP TO SAY HIGHWAY ONE 30 DOWN TO WILLIAMSON LOOP STRETCHING OVER TO THE TECHNICAL SITE.
THE, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THE NAME.
WHAT'S THE, THE BIG TECH SITE YOU'RE ON THE FAR SITE, THE MEGASITE MEGASITE, THERE YOU GO.
UH, AND THEN SWINGING BACK TO LIMBER LOOP.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I CALLED KIND OF THE CORE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE ADDED RIGHT OF WAY IS AT TWO 50.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE CALLED IT KIND OF THE SUBURBAN GROWTH AREA.
THAT NUMBER CAME OUT TO BE CLOSE TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 75 CENTS AND A LITTLE OVER A DOLLAR.
WE SET A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT FOR RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, $43,000, UH, AN ACRE UP TO ANYWHERE FROM 80, 86, 90,000 UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OR PER PER ACRE FOR THE, IN THE URBAN CORE.
OKAY? UM, RECRUITMENT PROJECTS ARE THE ACTUAL COSTS THAT THE CITY INCURRED.
UH, ON THE, ON THE PROJECT THERE, ELLEN, WHICH PROJECT WAS THE RECRUITMENT? SCHNEIDER BETWEEN ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION? SCHNEIDER.
YEAH, BETWEEN ALLIANCE AND INNOVATION OVER THERE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, STUDY UPDATE COSTS.
WE DID INCLUDE TWO UPDATES INTO THE COSTING TWO AT 50,000.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SPREAD OUT BY SERVICE AREA BASED ON HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS PROVIDED BY THE CIP.
SO IT'S, IT'S SPREAD OUT ACCORDINGLY, WEIGHTED BY THE, BY THE CIP, UH, THE VEHICLE MODELS OF THE CIP IN EACH SERVICE AREA.
OKAY? SO THIS TABLE, UM, BY DESIGN, YOU CAN'T READ IT, BUT NO, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO IT
UM, AND SO, BUT THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS THE, THE CRUX OF THE CALCULATION, IF YOU WILL.
OKAY? UM, HOPEFULLY THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO READ.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE IN, IN ROWS ONE THROUGH FOUR ARE THE CAPACITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED, THE AMOUNT OF DEMAND ON THE, ON THE, ON THOSE ROADS WITHIN THE SERVICE AREAS.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS BY SERVICE AREA.
SO ALL THOSE ROAD PROJECTS ROLL UP INTO THOSE NEW SERVICE BOUNDARIES.
UM, ANY DEFICIENCIES THAT WE CAUGHT OUT OF OUR EXISTING NETWORK ANALYSIS, KNITTING THAT OUT TO LINE FOUR, HOW MUCH OF THE EXCESS CAPACITY THEN WE'RE, WE'VE THE, THE COST OF THE PROJECTS, THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION, THE ENGINEERING, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT THAT WAS.
WE'VE CALCULATED, OKAY, BASED ON HOW MUCH OF THAT NET COST, WHAT CAN WE CONSIDER? BUT IT'S BY SERVICE AREA.
SO FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S, IF YOU, IF I WERE TO SUM IT UP ON THE FAR RIGHT, THE ROW FIVE IS 161 MILLION, ROW SIX IS 153 MILLION CITYWIDE.
BUT YOU, YOU SEE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING OUT THE UTILIZED PORTION OF THAT COST, UH, LEAVING US THAT NET COST.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE COST, AND THAT, THAT'S LINE SEVEN.
THAT'S THE COST TO MEET EXISTING UTILIZATION.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, OVER IN THE WEST SERVICE AREA, THAT'S WHERE WE HAD SOME, SOME DEFICIENCIES, UH, OCCURRING.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVING TO NET THAT OUT.
UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT LEAVES US WITH A COST THAT WE CAN CONSIDER ATTRIBUTABLE.
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EIGHT IS THE 10 YEAR VMT THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE POP AND EMPLOYMENT COUPLED WITH THE SERVICING EQUIVALENT OR THE EQUIVALENCY TABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.'CAUSE TRAFFIC'S GENERATED DIFFERENTLY BY EACH ONE OF THOSE.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE VMT BY SERVICE AREA.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SUMS UP TO THAT CITYWIDE OF ABOUT 144,000.
YOU'LL SEE IN ROW NINE, WE'RE GONNA CONSUME ALL THAT CAPACITY.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE CONSUMING THAT ON THE, ON THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, SLIDE 10, THE COST ATTRIBUTABLE, UH, TO NEW, NEW GROWTH, UM, IS THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT IS REALLY THE COST OF THE NET CAPACITY.
THAT 153 MILLION THAT'S ALLOCATED, WE ARE ELIGIBLE TO INCORPORATE DEBT SERVICE.
AND SO THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS, THE METHODOLOGY IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS CONDUCTED IN THE WATER WASTEWATER.
UM, THE INTEREST RATE RANGED FROM, AND THEY BROKE IT OUT BY YEAR.
UM, BUT BASICALLY FROM FIVE AND A QUARTER UP TO SIX AND A QUARTER OVER A 30 YEAR NOTE, THEY MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ON CASH FINANCE PROJECTS OUT OF, OUT OF OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PROGRAM.
AND DEBT FINANCE PRO, UH, PROJECTS, MORE OR LESS A 50 50.
UM, BUT THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, UM, SOME, THEY INCORPORATED SOME PERCENTAGE FOR BOND ISSUANT COSTS ISSUANCE, UH, IN THERE, UH, THE COST FOR THOSE BONDS.
AND THEN, UM, THE STUDY UPDATES WERE INCORPORATED INTO THAT.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS ON LINE 11, THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS, OKAY? IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE CALL THAT OUT.
IT'S ELIGIBLE AND THEREFORE WE'RE, WE'RE INCLUDING IT, UH, IN THE PROGRAM.
SO THE NET COST, UH, ATTRIBUTABLE TO GROWTH IS BASICALLY LINES 10 AND 11 ADDED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE INSERVICE AREA ONE, IT'S 34 AND A HALF MILLION, 92 MILLION, 57 MILLION, 45 MILLION, SUMMING UP TO THAT OVERALL 200 AND, UM, ABOUT $210 MILLION.
SO THE, THE COST, SO THAT WOULD BE THE NET COST WITHOUT CREDIT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE FULL COST, WHAT'S COST OF THE ROADS, WHAT'S THE COST TO PUT IT ON THE GROUND? DIVIDE THAT OUT BY THE SERVICE UNITS OF GROWTH.
THAT'S THE 10 YEAR GROWTH, THAT'S ROW 13.
SO THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT RANGES FROM 3011, 90, 3900, 11 25.
IT VARIES BY SERVICE AREA, RIGHT? IT'S A FUNCTION OF DEMAND.
IT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH THAT COST IS GETTING SPREAD OUT, DRIVING SOME OF THOSE DOWN IN SERVICE AREAS, UH, UH, NORTH AND, UH, WEST.
UM, THEN BY LAW, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE CREDIT ANALYSIS, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN ROADS ARE BEING PUT DOWN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VALUE THAT'S, THAT'S BROUGHT TO THE CITY BY THE INCREASE IN ADVIL, ALARM TAXES, THAT THE CITY GETS THAT BENEFIT.
WELL, THAT, THAT HAS TO BE NETTED OUTTA THE EQUATION BECAUSE, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT PAID FOR THAT.
AND SO THE AD VALOREM, UH, TAX, UH, ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED.
AND, UM, AND, AND SO WHAT THAT IS, IS ROADS ARE GONNA BE PUT DOWN OVER TIME WITHIN THE 10 YEAR WINDOW, THEREBY RAISING THAT AVALOR.
WE NET THAT OUT IN TERMS OF UTILIZATION.
SO IT'S NET OF CALCULATION, THAT'S LINE 14.
YOU CAN SEE THE RANGE OF COSTS ANYWHERE FROM 2.6 TO SEVEN TO FOUR AND $5 MILLION.
SO THEN THAT MAKES THE RECOVERABLE PORTION.
ONCE YOU SUBTRACT THAT OUT OF THE PROJECTS, PLUS PLUS FINANCING, THAT'S LINE 15.
THAT'S THE CREDITED MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN, WE CAN COLLECT.
THAT BECOMES YOUR CEILING, IF YOU WILL.
OKAY? AND THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN COLUMN 16.
SO THAT WOULD BE COLUMN 15 DIVIDED BY YOUR SERVICE UNITS OF GROWTH IN COLUMN OR IN ROW NINE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS IN ROW EIGHT, SORRY.
AND THAT BECOMES YOUR CREDITED MAXIMUM COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
OKAY? THE IMPACT FEE, BECAUSE ROADS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
LAND USE GENERATES TRAFFIC DIFFERENTLY.
THIS IS THE BASE COST FOR ONE VEHICLE MILE, BUT IN EACH ONE OF THE RESPECTIVE SERVICE AREAS, AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THERE'S THAT EQUIVALENCY TABLE THAT BASED ON LAND USE TYPE INTENSITY AND LOCATION, UM, THAT'S HOW THE IMPACT FEE IS CALCULATED.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT, THAT'S A, THERE'S A LOT THERE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE TECHNICAL NUMBER CRUNCH.
OKAY? AND THIS TABLE KIND OF SUMMARIZES THAT IN THE, IN THE TABLE HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT, THAT'S THE ACTUAL COST.
THAT'S THAT FULL 100% UNCREDITED, AND THAT'S THE FULL COST.
MM-HMM,
AND THAT VARIES ANYWHERE FROM 88% TO 92% OF MAX.
IF WE DIDN'T DO THE CREDIT ANALYSIS, THE LAW SAYS CHAPTER 3, 3 5 SAYS YOU CREDIT THE COST OF CIP BY 50%.
WE PUT THAT IN THERE JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES.
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COLUMN THERE.THE FEE PER SERVICE AT 50% DISCOUNT.
JUST IF YOU'RE, IF THERE WAS THE, THE NOTION OF, WELL, WHAT WOULD IT BE IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS CREDIT NOW? SO WE INCLUDED IT IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CREDIT NUMBER FALLS IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
BETWEEN THE ACTUAL COST AND THAT 50%.
OKAY? SO THAT BECOMES YOUR, THE, THE HIGHLIGHTED BLUE BECOMES THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN COLLECT BY SERVICE AREA, PER VEHICLE MODEL ON THE, THE CURRENT.
UM, AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THIS NUMBER IS AGAIN, IT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECTS, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE DEMAND THAT'S OUTSTRIPPING WITH THE CAPACITY THAT'S BEING MADE AVAILABLE, SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS VARIED AND, AND YOU SAW THE, IT VARIED SIGNIFICANTLY IN, UH, IN THE, UM, I'M SORRY, IN THE EAST AND WEST WHERE IT WAS.
IT'S WHERE IT'S 10 98 IN SERVICE AREA EAST AND IT'S 9 91 IN SERVICE AREA WEST.
OKAY? SO THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU WANNA APPLY THIS? BECAUSE ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT IN WEST AT 9 91 TIMES ITS EQUIVALENT IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT FROM SERVICE AREA SOUTH AT $3,600 TIMES THE EQUIVALENT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THEY'LL BE PINING, WELL, IF I JUST GO ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT CHEAPER.
WHY IS THAT? WELL, IT'S ALL CALCULATED INDEPENDENTLY.
SO MAYBE IN SOME OF YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES, YOU MIGHT WANNA THINK, WELL, MAYBE WE FIND A NUMBER AND WE APPLY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD SO EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME THING.
UM, BY WAY OF COMPARISON, THE 2018 MAXIMUM NUMBER OR THE ACTUAL NUMBER WE HAD ONE SERVICE AREA WAS 2396.
SO NOW WE HAVE FOUR SERVICE AREAS.
WE HAVE THE GROWTH THAT VARIES.
AND THEY SHOW, UH, THE, THEY SHOW THE VARIATION OF THE 3,900, UH, 3000 1100, UH, AND THEN IN EAST AND WEST.
SO HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE IMPACT FEE? I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES.
DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, IT'S THE, THE SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT TIMES THE SERVICE UNIT EQUIVALENT THAT EQUIVALENCY TABLE CREATES, CREATES, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT VEHICLE MILES FROM THE APPLICATION, THEN TIMES WHATEVER THE COLLECTION RATE IS BY ADOPTED BY RATES THAT BECOMES YOUR IMPACT FEE.
SO JUST AS KIND OF AN EXAMPLE, IF WE PICK THAT LOW ONE THAT WAS 9 91 IN, IN SERVICE AREA WEST, A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WOULD BE 4.31 VEHICLE MILES.
THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
HOW MUCH TRAFFIC GETS GENERATED TIMES THE COLLECTION RATE OF 9 91? THE IMPACT FEE WOULD BE $4,271 FOR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING, BECAUSE IT'S ON A PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BASIS TIMES THE SERVICING GENERATION OF 8.64 86.4 VEHICLE MILES GENERATED TIMES THE COLLECTION RATE 85,600.
UM, $600 WOULD BE THE IMPACT FEE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SOME VARIATION IN WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT, UM, THE NUMBERS WILL BE, BUT IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE KIND OF WHAT THE COLLECTION RATES WILL BE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO NEXT.
BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANT TO ASK, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNICAL NUMBER CRUNCH TO GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE IN THE BLUE, THE CREDITED MAXIMUM? ALL THIS WILL BE WRITTEN OUT IN REPORT FORM.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT, UH, READY TO GO FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT.
MM-HMM,
OUR APPENDIX XI DUNNO IF THAT'S THE SAME THING.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE TABLE NUMBER IN THE REPORT, SO, OKAY.
YEAH, IT, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE, SO THE WAY THE REPORT IS WRITTEN, IT'S SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO TRACK HOW THE NUMBERS ARE CALCULATED, LINE ONE MINUS, LINE TWO, MINUS LINE THREE EQUALS LINE FOUR OR REFERRING TO OTHER TABLES, IT KIND OF POINTS TO THOSE.
THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ALSO BE THE ENUMERATION OF ALL OF THE ANALYSIS AND THE APPENDICES, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS, THE TENURE VMT, THE THE CIP OR THE CAPACITY BY PROJECTS OVER THE 10 YEAR WINDOW THAT'S MADE AVAILABLE BY THIS NEW IF CIP.
AND THEN THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION, THE COST WORKSHEETS, ALL THOSE THINGS WILL BE BACK THERE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNICAL PIECE? SO, UH, WE, WE HAVE A KIND OF A BREAK SLIDE HERE, AND THAT IS SOME, SOME ADVISORY COMMITTEES LIKE TO FIRST SHUT DOWN.
DO WE AGREE ON THE, THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION OF WHAT'S THAT MAXIMUM CEILING.
AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT SHOULD WE ASK NEW DEVELOPMENT TO SHIP IN THE COLLECTION RATE.
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IF YOU ALL WANNA DO THAT, THIS, THIS MIGHT BE THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO APPROVE THAT PROCESS THAT WE UNDERTOOK TO CALCULATE THAT MAXIMUM CREDITED AND THAT BECOMES THE CEILING.
AND THEN FROM THERE IT'S THE COLLECTION RATE.
IT'S WITHIN YOUR, YOUR PURVIEW HERE.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS TECHNICAL PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH THESE NUMBERS AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THEIR METHODOLOGY AND, AND THE RESULTS.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATIONAL.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT.
UM, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I DON'T SEE ANY CONCERNS WITH, WELL, HE'S STACK
UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
UH, SO I THINK THESE GUYS WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE DUG INTO THE WEEDS ON ALL OF THEIR TECHNICAL ANALYSIS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY THEY'RE STILL DOING A LOT OF NUMBER CRUNCHING TO NOT HAVE THE ACTUAL REPORT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE I KEEP THROWING CURVE BALLS AT 'EM AND SAYING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT ABOUT THIS? BUT I THINK OVERALL, I MEAN, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING PER 3 95.
AND SO, UH, I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
UM, I KEEP PUSHING THEM TO TRY TO GET THAT NUMBER UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PROJECTS.
WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
SO I I I'M GOOD WITH THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS.
WELL, ON THAT MAX FEE COST SUMMARY, WHERE YOU HAVE THE 50% NUMBER ACCREDITED AND THE ACTUAL COST, ARE YOU SAYING THE CREDITED MAX COST IS THE MAX WE CAN CHARGE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE ACTUAL, THE ACTUAL KIND OF POINTS TOWARD WHO PICKS UP THAT DELTA, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO, SO YOU ALSO THREW OUT A WHILE AGO THAT BECAUSE DEVELOPERS MIGHT COMPETE AND TRY TO GO ACROSS THE STREET OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE IF WE WOULD ADOPT FOUR DIFFERENT RATES, POTENTIALLY, THE CHALLENGE IS WITH THIS, THESE ARE THE MAX RATES PER THOSE DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS, RIGHT? SO WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT IF, HEY, WE LIKE THE 3,601, LET'S APPLY THAT TO ALL FOUR SERVICE AREAS.
NO, YOU, YOU CAN, AND WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT HERE IN A MINUTE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THE BOOKS, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT COLLECTION RATE FOR RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO FIRST MAKE SURE YOU ALL WERE HOY WITH THE, THE DERIVATION OF THE UNIT COST, AND THEN ON THE COLLECTION RATE, THAT BECOMES THE POLICY SIDE OF THINGS.
WELL, YOU MENTIONED, I THINK IT WAS ON PAGE 14, THE SAME TABLE, UM, THAT THERE COULD BE A WEIGHTED AVERAGE.
AND TO ME THERE'S AN ASTERISK ON THAT WEIGHTED.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE WEIGHT? IS IS IT PER VEHICLE MILE PER IT IS, IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLE MILES IN EACH SERVICE AREA.
SO THE MORE VEHICLE MILES IN ONE SERVICE AREA, THEN THAT, THAT, THAT COST IS, IS ADDED MORE.
UH, BUT THAT WAS A, A WEIGHTED NUMBER, JUST SYSTEM WIDE.
YOU WOULD NOT USE THAT SYSTEM WIDE NUMBER IN THE, IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
YOU WOULD PICK FROM ONE OF THESE.
SO I, I KIND OF EXCLUDED IT IN THIS, IN THE FINAL TABLES HERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT, THERE IS ONE, BUT IT'S NOT APPLICABLE.
IF IT, IF IT HELPED, LIKE, OKAY, WE WANNA TRY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF BALANCE IN ALL THESE, BUT IN THE END, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO START THINKING IN THE, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS LIKE FOUR, 700 AND SOME ODD.
IN THE END, YOU'RE GONNA BE THINKING, WELL, OKAY, I'M STILL, THERE'S GROWTH COMING, THERE'S IMPACT ON THE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING ON THE GROUND.
WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT? AND YOU, YOU MIGHT PICK A NUMBER OR YOU MIGHT SAY PERCENTAGE OF MAX, OR YOU MIGHT SAY TOP OF THE LINE.
JUST FOR, FOR MY EDIFICATION, COULD WE HAVE THAT WEIGHTED AVERAGE? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE KINDA LIKE OUR MINIMUM NUMBER.
INSTEAD OF THE, ALMOST CLOSE TO SEVEN 50 INSTEAD OF THE 36 47.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT, THAT'S THE 50.
BUT I MEAN, WOULDN'T THAT, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS BY HOW WE GOT IT, THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM.
GENERALLY WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE IS THEY'VE, THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE LOWEST, THE, THE, THE SERVICE COST PER SERVICE UNIT IN THE SERVICE AREA.
AND SAID THIS IS THE BOTTOM THAT WE'LL CONSIDER.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE HOW TO WORD IT.
SO I'M, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT, UH, SERVICE AREAS.
THERE'S MORE GROWTH IN EAST THAN THERE IS IN NORTH.
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SO THE COST IS SPLIT BETWEEN 10 TIMES THE NUMBER OF SERVICE MILES, RIGHT? SO THAT ALL TRACKS.I'M WONDERING FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY ADDITIONAL BURDENS IN COMPUTING THESE FEES? BECAUSE BUSINESS X WANTS TO GO IN EAST SECTION, SO YOU'VE GOT TO OH, YEAH.
OR SHOULD WE, I, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SHOULD WE DO A CITYWIDE OR SHOULD WE BREAK IT OUT INTO THESE QUADRANTS SO THAT WE CAN TARGET THE GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS AND GET THE MONEY THERE? SO LET ME ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
IS THERE GONNA BE ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON STAFF? YES.
WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION FOR THAT LITTLE COST CALCULATOR YOU PULL WITH A PULL DOWN MENU, YOU PICK THE SERVICE AREA, IT, IT'LL CALCULATE STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT THROUGH.
SO STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO USE, IT CAN PUT ONE UP THERE ON THE WEBSITE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT TO USE IT SO THEY CAN CALCULATE IT BEFORE COMING INTO STAFF ON PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS OR WHATEVER.
THEY'LL KNOW IN ADVANCE GENERALLY WHAT THEIR, THEIR COST, THEIR IMPACT FEE MIGHT BE.
BUT, BUT BY, BY LAW THOUGH, YOU WILL NEED TO CONSIDER BY SERVICE AREA.
SO THAT ORDINANCE WILL HAVE EACH ONE OF THE SERVICE AREA LISTED.
I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
SO THE AGGREGATION HAS TO BE BY AREA, COULDN'T BE BY USE OR ZONING OR NO.
REMEMBER, 'CAUSE THIS IS THE COST TO PUT A UNIT, A ROAD ON THE GROUND.
WE WANT TO, SO YOU HAVE TO DO MAKE THAT HOYLE.
BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT THE EQUIVALENCY TABLE THAT VARIES BASED ON TRAFFIC CHARACTERISTICS BY LAND USE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT CALCULATION? THERE? YOU FINISHED? ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? NO, WE'RE GONNA MOVE, WE'RE MOVING ON.
I MEAN, THIS IS SIMPLY, THIS WOULD BE THE DERIVATION OF THE CALCULATED, UH, CREDITED MAXIMUM COST PER SERVICE UNIT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, WE CAN KEEP MOVING.
IF, IF WE COULD DISCUSS THE CREDITED MAX COST PER SERVICE PER AREA.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH? WELL, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE, MAKE THE DISCUSSION GO A LITTLE EASIER.
SO WHAT, WHAT THAT'LL BE, THIS MAXIMUM WOULD BE IN YOUR ORDINANCE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO SCHEDULES.
SCHEDULE ONE AND SCHEDULE TWO.
THIS MAXIMUM CREDITED WILL BE SCHEDULE ONE.
ALL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ASSESSED AT SCHEDULE ONE, BUT THE FEE WILL BE PAID BASED ON THE SCHEDULE TWO, WHICH IS THE COLLECTION RATE DECIDED BY POLICY.
SO ARE, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THESE SERVICE AREA NUMBERS? I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE AND, AND WITH STAFF AND ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, VETTING AND APPROVING AND CURVE BALLING, UM, THESE NUMBERS, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MATT AND STAFF THAT, THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE REAL AND ACCURATE.
UM, YEAH, AND IT'S JUST, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT, UM, I MEAN AS FAR AS THOSE INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS, I DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, COMMENT OTHER THAN I ACCEPT THEM.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT, UM, IS WHETHER WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AREA A THE, THE LOCATION AGGREGATION IS REQUIRED BY LAW, SO THAT'S NOT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO I GUESS WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ELSE IS FOR DISCUSSION? WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, I I SEE THE 2018 ON PAGE 14, UH, THE 2018 RATE OF 2396.
SO THE, THE LOW GROWTH AREAS WILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY A 50% INCREASE AND THE HIGH GROWTH AREAS EAST AND WEST LOOK TO HAVE A 50% REDUCTION.
AND THAT, THAT 20 THE, WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SO YOU COULD SEE WHERE YOU WERE ON THAT MAXIMUM CEILING WHEN YOU HAD ONE SERVICE AREA.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THOUGH, SIMILAR TO THE WATER WASTEWATER, WE'RE SEEING A LOT, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES LOOKING TO UPDATE THESE, THE PROGRAMS MORE OFTEN SIMPLY BECAUSE THE, THE COST OF THE, THE, OF THE PROJECTS JUST CONTINUES TO GO THROUGH THE CEILING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE UNIT COSTING, WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THESE ARE GOOD UNIT COSTS HERE IN 2024, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN 2026.
BUT REMEMBER WE'RE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, SO WE DON'T PUT THE CITY IN A REFUND SITUATION IF SOMETHING CHANGES.
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YEAH.IF, IF WE WERE ABLE TO BE ONE AREA MM-HMM.
SO THIS DOESN'T LOOK TOO, I MEAN, 39 HUNDRED'S A BIG NUMBER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT THAT OUTRAGEOUS FROM WHAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY.
WELL, AND, AND LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT QUADRANTS, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF WEST IS PRETTY DEVELOPED, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN A LOT OF IT'S ETJ STILL.
BUT I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT STAR RANCH AND YOU'VE GOT CNN STUFF OUT THERE AND SO THEIR FEES ARE A LOT LESS BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
AND SO I DON'T WANNA AVERAGE DOWN TO A LOWER NUMBER.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, THE HEAVY GROWTH THAT'S DRIVING THAT COST PER SERVICE UNIT DOWN.
THERE'S, IT'S ALMOST BUILT OUT.
YOU STILL HAVE GROWTH COMING IN THAT QUADRANT IN THAT SERVICE AREA, BUT BECAUSE THE GROWTH IS OUTSTRIPPING THAT CIP, IT'S DRIVING THAT COST DOWN.
BUT A LOT OF THAT GROWTH IS ALREADY BEING, IS ALREADY HAPPENING THIS, SO IT'S NOT NEW MONEY THAT WE CAN INCREASE THE FEES ON.
THIS WOULD POINT TO WHAT, BECAUSE OF THAT FORECASTED GROWTH, THIS POINTS TO WHAT THAT MAXIMUM IS.
SO I'M GONNA ASK A, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND BASED ON GROWTH.
SO THE LOWER NUMBERS HERE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING THE FASTEST AT THE MOMENT AND PREDICTED TO GROW THE FASTEST BASED ON US HAVING THOSE LOWER NUMBERS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND IT VARIED BY SERVICE AREA.
SOME, SOME WERE 200 AND SOME ODD PERCENT OF THEM ALLOWABLE BECAUSE IT'S DRIVING THAT NUMBER DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE HAD ENOUGH CAPACITY.
THAT WOULD RAISE THAT NUMBER AWAY.
BUT BY, IF WE WOULD CONSIDER DOING A VARIED AMOUNT SUCH AS SHOWN HERE OR STILL HAVE HIGHER FOR SOUTH, NORTH, ET CETERA, THEN THE GROWTH WOULD CONTINUE HAPPENING IN THE AREAS WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE GROWTH.
AND THERE WOULD NOT BE ENCOURAGEMENT FROM DEVELOPERS TO GO TO THE OTHER AREAS.
BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE CHARGING, IN THIS CASE FOUR TIMES MORE IN THE SOUTH THAN WE WOULD BE THE WEST.
SO WE WOULD CONTINUE GETTING GROWTH, TRYING TO PUSH INTO A CROWDED AREA ALREADY IN ONE SERVICE AREA AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE ENCOURAGED TO GO TO ANOTHER SERVICE AREA.
WELL, AT THE SAME TIME THAT'S EXACTLY MY CONCERN.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THE DEVELOPER ISN'T GONNA EAT THESE, THEY'RE GONNA PASS 'EM ON TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE HOME BUYER OR THE BUSINESS BUYER, WHATEVER.
WELL, THE ORIGINAL COST IS TO THE DEVELOPER.
RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THEM THROUGH.
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE A DEVELOPER.
IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE, BUT IT'S A DETERRENT.
IF YOUR FEE IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER IN ONE ZONE VERSUS ANOTHER, THEN YOU MIGHT RECONSIDER THE LOCATION OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT BASED OFF OF THE MM-HMM.
BECAUSE YOUR POINT, BECAUSE YOUR POINT MAKES SENSE.
BUT HOWEVER, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT NEXT STAGE, THE DEVELOPER SURE.
UPFRONT THEY'LL BE LIKE, YEP, WE CAN COVER IT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GET PASSED ONTO TO THE MM-HMM.
HOWEVER, THEN THEY HAVE TO CHARGE MORE FOR THOSE TO THE HOMEOWNER FOR THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SELL THOSE AS PREVALENTLY AS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO IN THE OTHER AREAS.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO TEND TO NOT GO INTO THOSE AREAS.
WELL, WELL IT'S NOT FOUR TIMES AS MUCH TOTAL.
IT'S FOUR, FOUR TIMES AS MUCH ON A 5% OF THE TOTAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE FEES ARE FOR THE TOTAL COST OF THE, IN WORDS, THE CONSUMER PRODUCT.
LET'S SAY IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING, YEAH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EXAMPLES.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT, I DUNNO, SLIDE 16 WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE COLLECTION EXAMPLES.
I KNOW WE'RE GETTING, HE WENT AHEAD.
NO, YOU ALREADY SHOWED US 16
UM, SO I MEAN, COLLECTION EXAMPLES, I MEAN THAT'S THE CASE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
IT'S NOT JUST, THIS ISN'T THE RATE JUST POOR FOR LIKE ONE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
THE SERVICE UNIT CAN CHANGE DEPENDING ON VEHICLE MILES, DEPENDING ON WHATEVER.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DIRECT, THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY'RE BEING CHARGED.
NOW I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE KIND OF STIMULATING GROWTH OR OR SLOWING GROWTH IN ONE AREA.
BUT THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WOULD BE SLOWER GROWTH WOULD BE FAR NORTH.
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LOOP.EAST WILLIAMS AND HIGHWAY, I GUESS EAST, YEAH.
WILCO, EAST WILCO HIGHWAY, WHATEVER.
ON THE NORTH SIDE, I'M NOT SO SURE BECAUSE IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY DO WITH CHANDLER AND UNIVERSITY.
BUT IF THEY DO END UP WIDENING THAT, LIKE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, MATT HAS TOLD US THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT MM-HMM.
AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BALANCE OUT OKAY, DO WE WANT TO PAY A HIGHER FEE TO BE CLOSE TO YEAH.
THIS MAJOR ROADWAY OR NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.
OR DO WE WANT TO, I I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST CONTINUING THE SECOND PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN COMING BACK TO THIS.
JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR HOW IT APPLIES TO ACTUAL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES WITH THE DIFFERENT HOMES.
LET ME JUST, UH, ANNOUNCE THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
I IMAGINE Y'ALL ARE HERE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND WE ARE STILL IN THE CIP MEETING.
UM, SO I APOLOGIZE THAT WE ARE RUNNING OVER.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH LONGER IT'S GOING TO BE.
I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH
MY MY PART WON'T WILL GO FAIRLY QUICK, BUT I JUST WANNA NEED TO EXPLAIN SO IT'LL HELP YOU IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT COLLECTION RATE AND HOW YOU MIGHT APPLY IT.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE, OR WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHARTS, WHAT WE'RE CALLING BENCHMARKING CHARTS AND WHAT, WHAT THE, THE CHART IS AIMED AT IS WHAT IS THE ACTUAL IMPACT FEE, DEPENDING UPON SOME SAMPLE LAND USES.
AND SO THIS CHART, WE HAVE ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT'S DEPICTED.
AND WHAT WE HAVE, UM, ON THE, THE, ALONG THE BOTTOM WE HAVE, UH, SOME OF YOUR PEER CITIES, ROUND ROCK, PFLUGERVILLE, GEORGETOWN, UH, SHIRTS, ETTE, UH, NOT ETTE, OLO, NEW BRAUNFELS, AUSTIN, WILEY TAYLOR, WE HAVE SOME OF YOUR, SOME, SOME CITIES IN NORTH TEXAS.
UM, JUST SO YOU CAN AS COMPARISON, UH, PURPOSES.
BUT WHAT WHAT WE'RE AIMED AT IS, IS SHOWING, WELL WHAT IS THE, THE CURRENT, UNDER THE CURRENT COLLECTION RATE FOR RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS 7 84 PER SERVICE UNIT.
UH, WHAT IS THAT FEE? THAT FEE RIGHT NOW IS 34 $3,400 FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT.
WE, WE GUESSED AT WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE GUESSED WRONG BASED ON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE WATER WASTEWATER.
BUT WE SAID MAYBE YOU MIGHT TAKE THE LOWEST ONE, THE 9 91 AND APPLY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO IF YOU WERE TO SAY, TO TAKE THAT APPROACH, THE IMPACT FEE FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE $4,300 RANGE.
WE, WE ADDED ANOTHER COLUMN, THE SERVICE AREA EAST, WHICH WAS THE SECOND LOWEST, THE 10 89.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT IMPACT FEE BE? THAT WOULD BE $4,700.
SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE HIGHEST ONES, BUT WE HAVE THE LOWER ONES IF YOU WILL.
SO JUST, JUST TO KIND OF LAY OUT WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
DO, DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THE HIGHEST ONE IS, ALAN? I GUESS WE HIGHER THAN ANYTHING IN JUST A SECOND.
SO THAT, THAT'LL BE, UH, 4.71 HERE.
I CAN CALCULATE THAT FOUR POINT, UH, SEE THAT WOULD BE SERVICE AREA SOUTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE 17,177 MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU WENT FULL THROTTLE IN SERVICE AREA SOUTH, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF TO YOUR POINT.
SO, UM, SO AND SO THIS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FEES THAT VARY.
YOU SEE OVER IN PFLUGERVILLE THEY'RE COLLECTING 6,800 AND THESE ARE BASED ON THEIR CURRENT ORDINANCES.
SO COLLECTION RATES PROBABLY WELL PROGRAMS WITHIN AT LEAST THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
MOST OF 'EM ARE ANYWHERE, THREE YEARS OR SO.
THERE SHE IS, UH, THREE YEARS OR SO.
BUT, UM, AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UPDATE, UH, IS ON SOME OF THOSE.
ALONG COMMISSIONER'S LEE'S PREVIOUS QUESTION, WHEN WERE THESE IMPACT FEES DONE? I MEAN, HOW MANY? YEAH, SO WITHIN THE, AT, AT THE WORST CASE, WITHIN THE LAST AT FIVE
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YEARS.BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE, IN 2020 THROUGH 2022.
UM, I WANTED, AND SO THE REASON WE'RE SHOWING RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE GONNA SHOW NOW NON-RESIDENTIAL.
'CAUSE YOU ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT COLLECTION.
AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF SUM IT ALL UP HERE AT THE END.
SO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S LIKE, UM, HIGH HIGH TECH, UH, SOME, MAYBE SOME DISTRIBUTION TYPE STUFF.
UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, TYPICAL SIZE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE THE SIZE OF SAY, A SUPER TARGET, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SIZE OR A SUPER WALMART, THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE KIND OF, UH, DISTRIBUTION, LIGHT TECH, UH, LIGHT, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE ACTIVITIES.
BUT HERE AGAIN, WE HAVE WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT FEE BE HERE IN HUDU UNDER CURRENT EXISTING, THAT'S THE LIGHT BLUE ONE.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN HU TODAY IS $146,000 IMPACT FEE IN THE, THE 9 91.
UH, WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER THING WE CALLED HU EXISTING PLUS 25%.
UM, 9 91 REPRESENTS GENERALLY ABOUT A 26% INCREASE OVER YOUR CURRENT COLLECTION RATE OF SEVEN 40 SOMETHING.
SO WE SAID, OKAY, IF YOU APPLY A 25% INCREASE TO NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW IT, JUST TO SHOW IT.
IF WE, IF WE WERE THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING BY 25%.
WHAT IS THAT IMPLICATION? $183,000 FOR THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OVER IN THE EAST AND THE WEST SERVICE AREAS.
YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT IN CALCULATION $363,000 IN THE WEST, $399,000 IN THE EAST.
THAT THOSE WERE THE TWO LOWEST ONES.
ONLY BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND THAT'S THERE, DRIVING THAT DOWN.
PFLUGERVILLE NEXT DOOR, UH, THEY'RE AT 4 48.
THERE'S SOME OF YOUR PEER CITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING.
25,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THIS MIGHT BE A TYPICAL SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZED STRIP CENTER, UH, THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT A NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER KIND OF THING.
UM, AND, AND HERE AGAIN, SAME THING.
UH, WHAT IS THE CURRENT IMPACT FEE IN HUDA? $75,000 FOR 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
IF WE BUMP CURRENT COLLECTION RATE UP BY 25%, 75,000 TURNS INTO $77,000 IMPACT FEE.
IF WE GO WITH THE LOWEST COLLECTION RATE, THE WEST SERVICE AREA, THAT'S $153,000, SECOND LOWEST, $189,000.
IF YOU WERE TO ASK, UH, WELL, THOSE ARE GONNA BE SIMILARLY, YEAH.
UH, TWO, IT'S IN THE, IN THE SOUTH IT'S 224,000 IN THE NORTH.
AND THEN ONE LAST SCENARIO HERE, AND THIS IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL OFFICE.
UM, SO THIS MIGHT BE A SMALL LITTLE MEDICAL CENTER TYPE THING.
THAT'S FOUR FOUR TO 500, 5,000 SQUARE FEET MAYBE, BUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF GENERAL OFFICE.
AND SAME THING, CURRENT IMPACT FEE, 36,500, YOU BUMP THAT UP BY 25%, WHEREAS THAT'S PUT YOU AT 43,000.
THE EAST AND THE WEST SERVICE AREAS, 85,090 4,000, UM, UH, IN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, THAT WOULD BE 315,000 IN THE SOUTH.
WHY? I HAVE TO ASK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION.
HOPEFULLY, WHY FOR A GENERAL OFFICE ARE OUR RATES HIGHER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL IN A COMMERCIAL? SO, SO REMEMBER IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? IT'S TRIP GENERATION.
SO THAT'S THE, THE LENGTH PIECE.
AND ON AVERAGE HERE IN CENTRAL TEXAS, IT'S 14 SOME ODD MILES.
BUT, UM, BUT THEN WE, WE'VE, WE'VE TAILORED THAT TO HUDA.
UM, SO THAT, AND I THINK IT'S LIKE, UH, EIGHT, UH, IT IS UH, 8.64 DIVIDED BY 1.44, WHATEVER, SIX, A LITTLE OVER SIX MILES, SIX MILES.
IT'S ULTIMATELY BECAUSE WE'RE GENERATING MULTIPLE TRIPS TO AN OFFICE VERSUS WE'RE GENERATING SHORTAGE TRIPS TO A SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE THERE'S MORE, TYPICALLY MORE COMMERCIAL AT, AT NEIGHBORHOOD CORNERS.
PLUS WE'VE NETTED OUT TRAFFIC ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE FOR PASS BY AND DIVERTED, RIGHT? THAT TRAFFIC'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
WE DON'T WANNA DOUBLE TAG TAG THE DEVELOPER.
WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THAT PRIMARY TRIP GENERATION.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THERE.
YOU DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE PASS BY TRIP TO GO TO WORK.
RIGHT? THAT'S YOUR PRIMARY TRIP TYPICALLY.
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I, I WANT TO, HERE, HERE, HERE IS KIND OF A SUMMARY OF, OF COLLECTION RATE CONSIDERATIONS, RIGHT? YOU PICK THE LOWEST ONE, APPLY IT ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU TAKE ONE AND APPLY TO EVERY ONE OF 'EM.LET'S SAY YOU, RATHER THAN DOING 9 91, YOU TAKE THE SECOND 1, 10 89, THEN 10 89 COULD APPLY IN THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH, BUT THE WEST, BECAUSE IT'S 9 91, THAT'S CAPPED AT 9 91.
OKAY? SO THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD VARY IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT.
OR YOU COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA DO 50% OF MAX OR 25% OF MAX.
UM, OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF.
SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IF YOU'RE A LEGACY BUSINESS, YOU'VE BEEN IN HUDA, YOU WANT TO GIVE THE LOCAL LEGACY BUSINESS A BREAK OR IF THEY HAVE TRIP REDUCTION, UM, MEASURES OR THEY PEAK SPREAD THAT YOU OFFER A REDUCTION FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THOSE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS CAN BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
THIS YEAR KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHERE YOU ARE.
AGAIN, THAT SAME TABLE ON THE RIGHT, THE BLUE IS YOUR NOW CA CREDITED MAX CEILING.
UM, BUT WHERE YOU ARE ON THE LEFT, YOUR THE CREDITED MAX IS 1960, NOT THE ACTUAL, IT'S, IT'S 1960, BUT YOU'RE CURRENTLY COLLECTING AT $400 A SERVICE UNIT FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL AND 7 84 FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE POLICY DECISION WAS THAT YOU WERE GOING, AT LEAST IN 2018, CITY LEADERSHIP DECIDED THAT THERE WAS THE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO COLLECT FROM A COLLECTION RATE PERCENTAGE, RESIDENTIAL WAS COLLECTING AT 32% OF MAX NON-RESIDENTIAL AT 16.9 17% OF MAX WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.
TO SAY WE THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SOME, SOME COMMUNITIES RATHER JUST HAVE ONE ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT WE SEE A LOT MORE WITH THE, THE BREAKDOWN OF A RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL.
WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS PART OF THE, PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO SAY, WE THINK 9 91 IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S A 25% INCREASE OVER WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY COLLECTING.
I KEEP BRINGING THAT UP, BUT REMEMBER IF YOU APPLY 9 91 ACROSS THE BOARD, WHO PICKS UP THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT EQUATION? MM-HMM.
THAT MEANS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN NORTH IS PICKING UP A LOT MORE OF THAT COST.
AND IN SOUTH THEY'RE PICKING UP A LOT MORE OF THAT COST.
IF YOU WERE TO HAVE THAT LOWER COLLECTION RATE, WOULD THAT TAX, WOULD THAT BE ACROSS ALL THE TAX BASE OR JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH OR SOUTH? IT, IT'D BE THE ENTIRE TAX BASE, RIGHT? IT'D BE, YEAH.
ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT FALLING WITHIN THOSE SERVICE AREAS, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT PICK, PICKING UP THE COST FOR THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE ROAD IS BUILT IN THE NORTH QUADRANT.
EVERYBODY, PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH STILL GOTTA PAY FOR IT.
NOW, NOW YOU WERE SAYING THERE WAS A, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD, I THOUGHT THE AGGREGATION WAS ONLY BY AREA.
WELL, AT THE TIME YOU ONLY HAD ONE SERVICE AREA.
SO THEN YOU COULD DO, NOW YOU'VE GOT FOUR.
SO YOU CAN'T, SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING UP IF YOU FEEL THAT, OKAY, IN 2018 WE'RE AT SEVEN COLLECTING, SAVING FOUR, WE WANNA RAISE A COLLECTION RATE BY 25%.
AND YOU WANT THAT TO BE UNIFORM ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU'RE DONE FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, YOU MAY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, 9 91, WELL FINE, THAT'S CAPPED THERE FOR, FOR WEST, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT 10 89, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT A 38% INCREASE, UH, VERSUS 25.
AND YOU APPLY THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO IT WOULD BE 10, 10 89 IN NORTHEAST AND SOUTH, BUT 9 91 IN WEST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CAPS, THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN COLLECT IN, IN THE WEST.
SO THE, THE TWO PARTS THAT KIND OF, THE TWO GRAPHS I SHOULD SAY THAT KIND OF SCARE ME RIGHT NOW ARE ON PAGE 22 AND 23.
WE WANT SHOPPING HERE, WE WANT OFFICE HERE.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DISPLAYED ON THE GRAPH.
AND THOSE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE GOING TO BE, ARE TOP END.
AND THAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CAN GO WHERE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL
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GOES.BUT I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE BIG RATES FOR NORTH AND SOUTH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE EXAMPLES OF THE GENERAL OFFICE AND THE SHOPPING CENTER.
BECAUSE AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT THE TAX BASE UP A WHILE AGO.
SO OVERALL THIS IS CALCULATED BASED ON THE TOTAL OF 10 YEARS WORTH OF CIP TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN BE FULLY PAID FOR RIGHT.
IS IF WE INCORPORATE THESE AMOUNTS AS YOU'RE SHOWING THE MAXIMUM.
SO IF WE REDUCE THESE AT ALL, AND FOR EXAMPLE, WE'D BE REDUCING THE SOUTH ONE BY A FOURTH OF WHAT IS NEEDED, THAT ALL HAS TO BE RECOUPED THROUGH SOME MEANS.
THE ONLY OTHER MEANS TO DO THAT WOULD BE THROUGH TAXES.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER PART WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUSH OUT THAT SMALLER BUSINESS PIECE.
SO THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
AND SO HERE'S KIND OF THE DELIBERATION PIECE ON A POTENTIAL COLLECTION RATE THAT YOU ALL WOULD RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.
NEED THERE BE A LITTLE WRINKLE HERE IN THIS THING, BUT WELL, I, IF I CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME OF OUR VERY INTELLIGENT SMART CITY STAFF THAT'S HERE, IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MADDEN AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
IF THEY WOULD PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN WITH DEVELOPMENT NOW, WHAT YOU SEE DEVELOPMENT LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS WOULD BE PROBABLY THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE TO START WITH BEFORE WE TALK THROUGH IT.
I, I GUESS THE FIRST, HE'S LOOKING AT ME THE FIRST BITE
I KNOW WE HAVE TO SPLIT IT INTO QUADRANTS, BUT DO WE WANNA SPLIT THE RATES INTO QUADRANTS? I FEEL LIKE WE'D HAVE TO FOR ROAD SITUATION BECAUSE YOUR NORTH AND SOUTH DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROADS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD MORE ROADS ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT DOES COME TO THOSE AREAS, THAT'S A LOT OF IMPACT.
AND, AND IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THAT'S A DE DE DEIN
SO I, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST PIECE.
DEINCENTIVIZE, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT I'D LIKE KIND OF STAFF TO WEIGH IN ON, IF YOU WILL, IS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DIFFERENT RATES FOR THESE DIFFERENT QUADRANTS? THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION,
WE THREW OUT A VERY LOADED QUESTION TO YOU.
I WILL SAY FROM MY SIDE, 'CAUSE MY TEAM DOES NOT ASSESS, BUT WE DO COLLECT, WE CAN WORK WITH WHATEVER IS APPROVED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE GOT AN APP FOR THAT.
UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE WHOLE THING WITH THE QUADRANTS, I PUSHED FROM DAY ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FUTURE PROOFED THIS THING.
BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE WOULD GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE QUADRANTS ANYWAY.
AND SO DEFINITELY WE NEED TO HAVE THE QUADRANTS AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT RATES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CREATED A SPREADSHEET TOOL OURSELF TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE ALL THE IMPACT FEES VERY QUICKLY BY OURSELVES.
UM, AND SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR OR I COULD JUST HAVE EDDIE GIVE ME HIS HANDY DANDY TOOLS THAT HE'S ALREADY CREATED.
SO IT, IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE EITHER WAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL AWARE OF IS THAT THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA MAKE THE DECISION.
AND SO
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UH, WITH THESE HUGE VARI WITH THE HUGE VARIATION IN THESE IMPACT FEES, UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT LOOKING FORWARD, BUT NOW I KIND OF WANNA LOOK BACK.
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HAS ANYONE SEEN A SUPPRESSION OF BUSINESSES COMING IN BECAUSE OF THESE HIGH IMPACT FEES IN OTHER LOCATIONS? YEAH.SO IN, IN, IN ALL HONESTY, WHAT WE SEE ARE THE BIGS, THEY BUILD THAT IN THEIR PERFORMANCE.
IT'S THE, IT'S MORE OF THE LOCAL MOM AND POPS THAT THERE'S AN IMPACT.
THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON, ON LEASING.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IMPACT ON THOSE BUSINESSES THAT LEASE SHOPPING CENTERS, THEY'RE GONNA LEASE OUT, LEASE OUT THEIR BUILDING, I MEAN, WILL PAY A HIGHER IMPACT.
SO THE, IT'LL BE, THAT MEANS THAT MEANS THEIR RENT'S GONNA BE HIGHER.
IT'LL, THE RENT'S ALREADY SKY HIGH.
WELL, SO I'LL, I I KNOW I DON'T, THIS WOULD BECOME, MAKE THIS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH FOUR SERVICE AREAS.
BUT YOU MENTIONED THE FACT OF OTHER SPECIFIC POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT COULD BE VERY DEEP.
I DON'T WANNA GET THAT DEEP WITH IT, BUT IS THERE WAYS THAT WE COULD, LIKE YOU MENTIONED ONE EXAMPLE WAS, UM, EXISTING OWNERS THAT ARE MAYBE JUST RELOCATING AND BUILDING A BIGGER BUILDING.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN SPECIFY VIA POLICY FOR SMALL BUSINESS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT TECHNICALLY THEIR COLLECTION RATE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE? SO WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE YOU, YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, UM, THE, THE KIND OF POLICY THAT YOU WANNA CRAFT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND YOU WANNA LIST ALL THAT OUT.
SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU ALL ARE FACED WITH A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THE REQUEST, WE WANT YOU TO WAIVE OUR FEE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CRITERIA OF WHAT, WHY YOU ONE OF THESE THINGS HERE, X, Y, AND Z.
UM, BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T, THE CRAFTING OF POLICY CAN BE, CAN HAVE A, A VERY WIDE RANGE DOWN IN BROWNSVILLE.
THEY, THEY FELT THAT, UM, AND IN WACO THEY FELT THAT IF YOU'RE A LEGACY BUSINESS IN TOWN, YOU'VE BEEN HERE AT LEAST FIVE OR WACO WAS FIVE YEARS.
BROWNSVILLE, I'M SORRY, WACO WAS 10 YEARS, BROWNSVILLE WAS FIVE YEARS.
AND YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON YOUR EXISTING SITE.
TECHNICALLY THAT EXPANSION IS SUBJECT TO FEE.
BUT IF YOU'RE A LEGACY BUSINESS, THEY FELT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWING.
LEGACY BUSINESSES THAT EXPAND ON THE CURRENT SITE.
SO IT'S THE ANYWHERE FROM THERE TO, THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN BROWNSVILLE REGARDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, BUT BY LAW, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL HOUSING IS, IS, UM, EXEMPT.
UH, AND BY, AND IT CAN BE WAIVED.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS ON THE HOUSING SIDE OF THINGS THERE.
FIRST TIME BUYERS AND THOSE KINDS OF IMPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OTHER VERY UNIQUE ONES.
UM, YOU'RE A, YOU'RE A BUSINESS THAT WANTS THAT DESIRES TO COME TO HUDDLE.
IF YOU BRING 500 EMPLOYEES WILL REDUCE YOUR IMPACT FEE BY X.
YOU KNOW, AS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE BIGS TO COME IN PERHAPS IN THE MEGA SITE.
THOSE KIND OF TECHNICAL, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO IT, IT HAS A WIDE, UM, RANGE OF, OF, OF, UM, APP POTENTIAL APPLICATION.
BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET SO DETAILED THAT THEN WERE MIRED AND YOU KNOW, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE COGNIZANT OF YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THAT THE, THE COMMUNITY IS TRYING TO, TRYING TO PUSH.
I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT.
AND, AND IT'S JUST FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT WORKS THE BEST TO, TO ATTRACT AND MAINTAIN THE BUSINESS THAT WE WANT IN HU IE LOTS OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE LEAVING 'CAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD IT ANYMORE.
AND IF THEY CAN HAVE A BREAK TO SOME DEGREE TO RETAIN THEM, I THINK THAT'S A PLUS.
HOWEVER, BALANCING THAT WE ALSO DON'T MAKE IT HARDER TO KEEP TRACK OF THIS AGAIN VIA STAFF CALCULATIONS.
FIGURING IT OUT AND SPECIFICS.
ONE THING TO RECALL THOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOUR EXISTING BUSINESSES ARE ALREADY HERE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HIT WITH MM.
IT'S THE NEW I I MET THE EXPANSIONS PART.
BUT, BUT OR THE EXPANSION OF A SMALL BUSINESS.
'CAUSE IF A SMALL BUSINESS CAN'T EXPAND HERE WITHOUT A NEW FEE, THEY MIGHT GO TO A NEIGHBORING TOWN THAT'S CHEAPER AND YEAH.
SO, AND, AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, MAYBE IT'S CATEGORICAL AREAS FOR COUNCIL TO CONTEMPLATE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THIS COULD GO IN ANY DIRECTION, SOLUTION IT FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN ANYWAY.
SO GOING BACK TO THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE, IF THAT COMES OUT AROUND 25, 2600,
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WHAT ARE THE PROS OR CONS? PROS AND CONS FOR, FOR CITY, FOR HAVING A ONE AVERAGE? WELL, SO LET'S JUST SAY IF IT'S 2,500, THAT MEANS IN SERVICE AREAS, ONE, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH, THAT'S 2,500 SERVICE AREAS.EAST AND WEST WOULD BE 10 89 AND 9 91.
THEY STILL HAVE TO BE AT THE, THAT'S THEIR MAX, THE MAX SERVICE AREAS.
COULD YOU MAX, COULD YOU NOT AVERAGE THOSE FOUR AND CHARGE THAT? YEAH, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE NEVER SHOWED YOU THAT AVERAGE
BUT, UM, THAT'S ONLY, THAT WAS IF THERE WAS THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT'S THE CITYWIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT IN THERE.
SO, BUT THERE, THERE, THE ONLY WAY YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER IT IS AGAIN, IF YOU APPLY A COLLECTION RATE ACROSS THE BOARD.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING AT.
IF YOU TOOK ALL FOUR OF THOSE NUMBERS, ADDED THEM UP AND DIVIDED IT BY FOUR, YOU COME OUT WITH 20, 26, 27.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE YOUR CEILING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE NORTH THIS YEAH.
THAT YOU'RE APPLYING THAT TO EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST ALSO.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE, YOU CAN, THOSE ARE THE, ON THE POLICY SIDE, YOU CAN BE WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER YOU DESIRE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ON THE POLICY SIDE, YOU COULD DO THAT.
BUT I MEAN WITH, I MEAN WE COULD USE THAT AS A FIGURE OF MERIT TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL.
I MEAN, THEY CAN CHOOSE THE 25, 500.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE FIGURE IS.
I JUST FIGURED INVITED, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A NUMBER THAT SEEMS PRACTICAL THEN.
AND THEN, OR, OR MAYBE, YEAH, MAYBE YOU, YOU CALCULATE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND THEN IT APPLIES TO THE SOUTH.
OR MAYBE YOU MAKE THE SOUTH AT 27 76.
SO NORTH AND SOUTH ARE THE SAME.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU WERE TO GO THE MAX AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EAST AND WEST WOULD BE 10 89, 9, 9 1.
WELL LET'S JUST CAP IT AT 2000 FOR NORTH AND SOUTH ON, ON AS FAR AS STAFF WORKLOAD, I DON'T KNOW.
Y'ALL CAN TAKE WHATEVER WE GIVE YOU OR THE COUNCIL GIVES YOU.
BUT DOES THAT, IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND, AND STAFF LOADING TO GO TO ONE FEE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA VERSUS FOUR SEPARATE ONES? NO.
THE ONE, THE ONE FEE, THE HIGHEST YOU CAN GO FOR ONE FEE IS 9 91.
IN, IN, YOU CAN DO A WEIGHTED AVERAGE, BUT YOU CAN'T CHARGE MORE THAN 9 91 IN WEST.
I THOUGHT THE POLICY YOU COULD PICK.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IN IRVING.
THEY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CALCULATED NUMBER, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT IN IRVING THEY JUST SAID OKAY, EXCEPT FOR THAT 9 91, THAT'S THE LOW ONE.
WE'RE GONNA SAY TO THEY, THEY SAID THEY TOOK THEIR SECOND LOWEST ONE AND THEY APPLIED THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MAXIMUM, UH, NUMBER THAT WE COULD USE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA IS 9 91 IN WEST? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
IF, IF YOU ALL AS A POLICY DECIDE YOU WANT IT TO BE 9 91, THEN IT WOULD APPLY BECAUSE THE OTHER CEILINGS ARE HIGHER.
SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, SO WHAT, SO WHAT WE'RE CONFUSED ABOUT IS, OKAY, SO LET'S SAY WE GO WITH THE 27 76 UHHUH ACROSS THE BOARD AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO INTO WEST AND BUILD THEIR CAPPED WOULD STILL BE THE 9 91.
SO THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE TECHNICAL, IF YOU DO THIS AVERAGE, THAT'S, THAT WOULD ONLY WORK FOR THE TWO.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS I SHOULD ASK
AND, AND WE WORK WITH OTHER STAFFS ON THE COST CALCULATOR AND IT, IT REALLY IS A PULL DOWN MENU.
ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED, YOU PUT THOSE RATES IN, YOU JUST PULL DOWN AND IT CALCULATES.
SO THAT'S NOT THAT BIG OF DEAL.
AS, AS FAR AS INCENTIVES, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO DECIDE ON THE INCENTIVES.
BUT IF WE GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THE MAX RATES SHOULD BE, THEN THEY CAN, THEY CAN PLAY WITH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ALL SALONS,
I THINK WE CAN SAY LIKE OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER ACCOMMODATING LEGACY.
AND THEN THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT ACCOMMODATION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY GET PAID FOR.
I'M NOT GETTING PAID FOR THIS
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.
ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH WHATEVER THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES ARE.
SO, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SET OUT A FEW THINGS SUCH AS EXISTING BUSINESSES OR MAYBE SMALL BUSINESS.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO DECIDE ON WHAT RATE WE WANT TO SET FOR COLLECTION.
AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY
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GOOD ON HAVING DIFFERENT RATES.BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE GOOD WITH ACTUALLY USING THESE RATES.
WELL I, I THINK I'M ACTUALLY GOOD IF WE, IF WE KIND OF PUSH IT TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BUSINESSES THAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT.
IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU WANNA WAIVE THOSE FEES, IF YOU WANNA REDUCE THOSE FEES.
BUT IF YOU DON'T, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HERE'S THE IMPACT THAT IT COULD HAVE.
WELL MY OPINION IS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS KIND OF WORK FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THEY ARE TAKING ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM STAFF THAT THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE TAKING THE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET US THE CORRECT NUMBERS.
SO WHO ARE WE TO SAY NO, WE DON'T LIKE THAT NUMBER YOU GAVE US.
WE WANNA CHOOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
NO, THAT'S AT LEAST FOR RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THOSE NUMBERS.
WELL, NO, I THINK WE NEED TO DO A DISCOUNT FOR COMMERCIAL LIKE HE WAS SAYING BECAUSE WELL THAT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE THOUGH.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S UP TO US TO AT LEAST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, CHAIRWOMAN AND EXCEPT THE TABLES, I'M SORRY, THE TABLES, THE CHARTS THAT THEY WERE SHOWING US WERE NOT SHOWING ANYTHING FOR NORTH OR SOUTH BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ANTICIPATING WE WERE GOING TO CHOOSE THOSE RATES WHEN THEY SHOWED US WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL, IT WOULD BE FOR NORTH AND SOUTH.
FOR EAST IT'S 4,700 FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT IS ALMOST, IT'S OVER THREE TIMES MORE.
SO WE WOULD NOW BE CHARGING, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THE SOUTH, THEY NOW HAVE 14,000 FOR TRANSPORTATION FEES PLUS WHATEVER WE JUST APPROVED FOR WASTEWATER AND WATER FEES.
THEY'VE DONE THE MATH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE COMPARISONS THEY'VE SHOWED US, WE'RE ASSUMING WE WERE NOT CHOOSING THE NORTH AND SOUTH RATES.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT CHOOSING THOSE RATES, WHO'S PAYING FOR THOSE ROADS THAT NEED TO GO INTO THOSE AREAS? I COMPLETELY AGREE.
AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN EITHER.
AND SO I WOULD RATHER GO WITH THE RATES THAT THEY'RE GIVING US, AT LEAST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM.
AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THEIR OWN ROADS TO COME INTO THOSE AREAS.
AND IF YOU WANNA COME TO HU YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO HELP OUT.
DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO PAY FOR ITSELF AS MUCH AS IT CAN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BECOME JUST A BEDROOM COMMUNITY LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE WANT, WE WANT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO IF WE GIVE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT HUDA AS A WHOLE ON THE TAX BURDEN DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.
HOW, HOW ABOUT THIS FOR THE COMMERCIAL WE INCLUDE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, WE INCLUDE THAT A STATEMENT, SOME SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL DEVELOPS INCENTIVES, TARGETED INCENTIVES FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT THEY WANT TO ATTRACT TO THESE QUADRANTS.
AND THAT WAY IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THESE FEES MAY BE TOO HIGH IN THE NORTH FOR A SMALL BUSINESS.
BUT COUNSEL, YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT HOW YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT.
DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE SUGGESTIONS, WHICH I'VE A LEGACY ESTABLISHMENT, SMALL BUSINESSES, FIRST TIME BUYERS, EMPLOYEE NUMBERS, AND MM-HMM.
DO WE WANT TO SPECIFY THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE INCLUDING FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS IN THAT.
RIGHT? I THINK WE SAID RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL IF I'M UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
WELL THAT COULD BE YOUR FIRST TIME IN COMMERCIAL.
WHY NOT? ALL RIGHT, WELL I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS.
IS I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CREDITED MAX COST PER SERVICE UNIT.
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OKAY.PER QUADRANT AS PRESENTED ON PAGE 25.
DO YOU WANT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS? NO, I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE ACCREDITED MAX COST PER SERVICE UNIT PER QUADRANT AS PRESENTED IN THE GRAPH ON PAGE 25 FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
MOTION GONNA SOUND VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE JIM HELP ME OUT.
SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CREDITED MAX COST PER SERVICE UNIT PER QUADRANT, PER THE GRAPH ON PAGE 25 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL.
AND ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CREDITS CREDITS SUCH AS LEGACY.
WHICH CITY COUNCIL TO, TO CONSIDER, CONSIDER, THANK YOU.
CREDITS SUCH AS LEGACY ESTABLISHMENTS, SMALL BUSINESSES, LARGE EMPLOYEE COUNTS, AND SOME TYPE OF LIMITED COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER DISCOUNT.
AND SOME TYPE OF
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, WHEN YOU SAID LIKE, LIKE TARGETED COMMERCIAL.
TARGETED COMMERCIAL AND RIGHT.
TARGETED UNIQUE COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE FIRST TIME BUYERS OR NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
WE READY TO, IS THAT WE PUT IT BACK INTO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS MOTIONAL.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE ASSIST.
I WILL SECOND ALL OF THAT MOTION.
ALL OF IT OR HALF OF IT? ALL OF IT.
AND, AND ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CREDITS SUCH AS A LEGACY ESTABLISHMENT, SMALL BUSINESS, LARGE EMPLOYEE COUNTS AND TARGETED UNIQUE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
ANY OPPOSED? NO, AYES HAVE IT.
I KNOW THAT THE ROAD PIECE IS, IS CAN GET YOU WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE AND SO GREAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK THERE'S A, A, A GOOD, A GOOD FRAMEWORK FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE THESE CONSIDERATIONS AS PART OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
THAT IS GONNA START, UH, IN JULY, JULY 11TH.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE'RE GONNA BRIEF THEM ON THE CALCULATED NUMBERS, BUT WE'RE SHOOTING ULTIMATELY FOR THE, UH, FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH SEC, SECOND PUBLIC, UH, OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE FIRST PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING OF SEPTEMBER 5TH WITH THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON THE FIFTH AND THEN THE SECOND READING ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, UH, OF SEPTEMBER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, YOUR PATIENCE ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE DEEP THOUGHT HERE, BUT VERY THANK YOU.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
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IS ADJOURNED AT 7:56 PM BY, AND WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS PLANNING AND ZONINGS AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK AT 8 0 1.