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          WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL 
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COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          PRESENT. 
          [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
COUNCILMAN THORNTON? HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN LAR. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD. 
          HERE. 
          MAYOR PROAM GORDON. 
          HERE, MAYOR SCHNEIDERS. 
          HERE NEXT WILL BE LED AN INVOCATION, UH, BY PASTOR ARTHUR L. SPENCE FROM LITTLE EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH, IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE. 
          SHALL WE PRAY? DEAR GRACIOUS LORD, WE COME DOWN JUST TO GIVE YOU YOUR HONOR, GLORY AND PRAISE. 
          LORD, WE THANK YOU, HONEY, FATHER, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. 
          GOD, WE THANK YOU, LORD FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, LORD AND LORD, WE THANK YOU WITH THE LORD WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, LORD, WE ASK LORD TO BLESS OUR CITY CALLED HUDDLE HEAVEN. 
          FATHER ALTOGETHER HEAVEN, FATHER LORD, BLESSED THE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEST OF MAYOR HEAVEN, FATHER LORD, AND BLESSED HEAVEN. 
          FATHER, EVERYONE THAT'S A BRIDE. 
          LORD. 
          LORD, WE ASK LORD TO LEAD GOD. 
          DIRECTORS AND MOTIVES, LORD, TO WHAT YOU HAVE US TO BE, LORD, AS WE LEAVE THIS PLACE, LORD, AS WELL, LORD, TO HAVE YOUR ANGEL PROTECTION AROUND US, LORD, THAT WE MAY BE GET TO OUR DESTINATION SAFELY. 
          LORD, WE GIVE YOU ALL THE HONOR, PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS WE ASK IN ALL. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. 
          THE PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD. 
          ONE AN INDIVISIBLE ALL NEXT 
          [5.1. Parks and Recreation Month]
IF COUNCIL, JOIN ME UP FRONT FOR OUR PROCLAMATION, MEMBERS OF THE PARK AND RECS DEPARTMENT AND BOARD. 
          SHE'LL HAND IT TO YOU. 
          YEAH, SHE'LL IT TO YOU. 
          FANCY NEW ONE. 
          THIS IS THIS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. 
          WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTE HEALTH AND WELLNESS, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR PARKS. 
          AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGE PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS, AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES. 
          AND WHEREAS PARK AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUTTA SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMMING, YOUTH SPORTS, AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASE IN COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION, RETENTION OF BUSINESSES, AND CRIME REDUCTION AND RAZ PARKS AND RECREATION ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND RA, OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH, AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HU RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION RESOURCES. 
          NOW THEREFORE BE THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HU DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JULY AS PARK AND RECREATION MONTH IN THE CITY OF HADDA. 
          PROCLAIM THE SIXTH DAY OF JULY, 2024. 
          JEFF, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          COUNSEL, UH, FOR THE PROCLAMATION. 
          MY NAME IS JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATIONS, MY HONOR, TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE. 
          UM, EVERY JULY WE COME TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE PARKS AND REC. 
          AND THIS YEAR YOU SEE THE BANNER HERE. 
          THE, THE THEME IS WHERE YOU BELONG. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S FITTING FOR HU. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE BELONGS IN OUR PARKS. 
          UH, I WANNA GIVE YOU SOME IN TO INFORMATION. 
          UM, FROM JUNE, 2020 THIRD TO JUNE, 2024, OUR PARKS WELCOMED OVER 158,000 VISITORS. 
          AND OUR SPECIAL EVENTS HAD 14,800 ATTENDEES. 
          UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO KEEP BUILDING A COMMUNITY THAT'S SUPPORTING HU HU AND WELCOMING. 
          THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND HU AND BEYOND. 
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I GOT EVERYBODY. 
          AWESOME. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          1, 2, 3, 4. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL 
          [6.1. Swearing in of Laura Hallmark as City Secretary]
RIGHT. 
          NEXT WE HAVE CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. 
          MR. RP. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL CITIZENS OF HU JAMES RP, CITY MANAGER. 
          FOR THE RECORD, WE GOT A LOT TO DO TONIGHT, UH, AND COMMENTS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO. 
          I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE SLIDES TO FLOW AND ALL. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA INTRODUCE YOU ALL THE NEW HIRES THAT WE ARE WELCOMING ON BOARD, UH, THIS MONTH. 
          UH, SO THESE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE ONBOARDED WITH THE CITY OF HUDU OVER THE LAST 30 DAYS. 
          AND, UH, AS IS TYPICAL OF OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH, WE INTRODUCE THEM TO THE PUBLIC SO YOU CAN SEE WHO THE, WHO THE SERVANTS ARE, WHO ARE SERVING, UH, YOU. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THEIR FAMILIES AND, UH, AND IN THIS, UH, IN THIS MOMENT OF THEIR, UH, CAREERS. 
          SO FIRST I'M GONNA START WITH CHRISTIANA SPENCER. 
          CHRISTIANA, IF YOU COME ON UP FRONT, LET'S WELCOME HER. 
          JOIN ME IN WELCOMING HER. 
          SO CHRISTIANA SPENCER IS JOINING TEAM HUDU AS OUR HR MANAGER. 
          SHE BRINGS OVER 17 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT. 
          SHE'S A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL HOLDING A LOT OF CREDENTIALS. 
          THEY ARE , IT'S A LOT OF LETTERS. 
          ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO. 
          PHR. 
          SHE IS, UH, SHRM DASH SCP CERTIFIED, AND I-I-P-M-A DASH SCP CREDENTIALED. 
          IN HER FREE TIME WHEN SHE'S NOT GETTING CREDENTIALS, SHE  SHE ENJOYS UNPLUGGING AND RELAXING, BRINGING A BALANCED APPROACH TO HER PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIFE. 
          SO, UH, JOIN ME IN WELCOMING CHRISTIANA TO THE TEAM. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME, YOU CAN STAY UP THERE, CHRIS, FOR PITCH YOUR TIME AND JUST LIKE  QUICK, UM, WHAT'S THAT? CAMERA START DOOR. 
          START. 
          UH, DAVID REEVES, YOU'RE LIVE ON YOUR MICROPHONE. 
           THE VOICE OF GOD. 
          Y'ALL. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          SORRY. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD APOLOGIZE FOR NEXT, IF YOU WILL, UH, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN WELCOMING THE TEAM. 
          HUDU WILLIAM KELLY. 
          COME ON UP. 
          WILLIAM WILLIAM JOINING TEAM HUDU AS OUR BUDGET ANALYST. 
          HE'S ORIGINALLY FROM THE HU AREA AND IS THRILLED TO BE BACK HOME. 
          HE'LL COMPLETE HIS UNDERGRAD, OR HE COMPLETED HIS UNDERGRAD FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AND HIS MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FROM TEXAS STATE UNIVERSITY. 
          HE'S MARRIED TO HIS WIFE DANA, AND IS IS A DOG DAD TO TWO AWESOME PUPS. 
          WILL'S FAMILY IS CURRENTLY LOOKING TO RELOCATE BACK TO HUDU FROM SINE. 
          HE'S THRILLED TO BE MOVING BACK TO HIS HOME COMMUNITY OF JUDO. 
          SO JOIN ME IN WELCOMING HIM. 
          NEXT I'M GONNA INTRODUCE JENNIFER AND I'D BE REMISS BECAUSE I FORGOT HOW TO PRONOUNCE HER LAST NAME. 
          ALL RIGHT, DERO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, HELP ME IN WELCOMING JENNIFER DERO. 
          JENNIFER IS JOINING TEAM HUDA AS A MARKETING ANALYST IN THE, IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. 
          SHE EARNED HER DEGREE IN VISUAL COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MARY HARDIN BAYLOR. 
          SINCE THEN, SHE HAS GATHERED EXPERIENCE IN CUSTOMER SERVICE, EVENTS AND MARKETING, AND MOST RECENTLY DEDICATED FIVE YEARS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY OF GEORGETOWN, KNOWN FOR HER STRATEGIC THINKING AND CREATIVE APPROACH. 
          JENNIFER IS COMMITTED TO ENHANCING MARKETING EFFORTS AND LOOKS FORWARD TO BRINGING HER DIVERSE BACKGROUND TO TEAM HURO. 
          IN HER FREE TIME, SHE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HER TWO CHILDREN, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE HERE ON THE FRONT ROW. 
          UH, ELLIE AND HUH? LL OH, THAT'S, THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          AND JACK. 
          SO L AND JACK, EVERYBODY SAY HI TO THEM. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          SHE ALSO ENJOYS COOKING, BAKING, AND SPENDING TIME OUTSIDE WHENEVER IT'S NOT SCORCHING HEART, WHICH IS BASICALLY THREE WEEKS IN DECEMBER MAYBE, OR JANUARY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, LAURA HALLMARK. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING. 
          WELCOMING JENNIFER. 
          ALRIGHT, NOW TEAM 
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HUDU. 
          I, I'M GETTING ALL BEFUDDLED NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          HELP ME AND WELCOMING TO TEAM HU LAURA, HALLMARK CITY SECRETARY LAURA IS JOINING TEAM HUDA WITH 18 YEARS OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE 15 AS CITY SECRETARY. 
          A QUOTE THAT SHE OFFERED IS BEING OF GOOD SERVICE AND BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS. 
          THAT'S BEEN THE MOTTO THROUGHOUT HER CAREER, WHETHER IT BE WITH RESIDENTS, COWORKERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS, OR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          LAURA BRINGS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND AGENDA, PUBLICATION, RECORDS MANAGEMENT, FACILITATION OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, APPLICATIONS, INTERVIEWING, APPOINTMENT PROCESS AND RECOGNITION, COORDINATION OF CITY ELECTIONS AND THE CANDIDATE PROCESS, AND HAS FACILITATED FOUR HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEWS. 
          JOIN ME ON WELCOMING LAURA TO TEAM HOOD. 
          NOW SHE DID TIME IT TO GET HERE RIGHT AFTER OUR CHARTER REVIEW, SO THAT WAY, THAT WAY SHE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BREATHER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NOW, IF YOU WOULD WELCOME, IF YOU JOIN ME IN WELCOMING TO TEAM HOOD KRISTEN PHILLIPS. 
          KRISTEN IS JOINING. 
          TEAM HURO IS OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR. 
          SHE COMES TO US WITH 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION VERSUS A TEACHER THEN IS A CAMPUS LIBRARIAN AND DISTRICT LEAD LIBRARIAN FOR CLEAN ISD. 
          SHE HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN LIBRARY SCIENCES FROM TEXAS WOMEN'S UNIVERSITY. 
          SHE'S GATHERED EXPERIENCE IN PLANNING, PROGRAMMING, PROMOTING SERVICES, FOSTERING A LOVE FOR READING AND LEARNING, AND SERVANT LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES. 
          KRISTEN BRINGS A PASSION AND EXCITEMENT FOR MAINTAINING A SPACE IN WHICH ALL MEMBERS OF THE HU COMMUNITY FEEL SAFE TO SEEK OUT KNOWLEDGE, FIND ENTERTAINMENT, AND CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          THE QUOTE THAT HAS DRIVEN HER IN EACH OF HER LIBRARY ROLES IS BY SIDNEY SHELDON, AND SAYS, LIBRARIES STORE THE ENERGY THAT FUELS THE IMAGINATION. 
          THEY OPEN UP WINDOWS TO THE WORLD AND INSPIRE US TO EXPLORE AND ACHIEVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO IMPROVING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          LIBRARIES CHANGE LIVES FOR THE BETTER. 
          IN HER SPARE TIME, SHE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HER FAMILY WHO ARE ALSO HERE. 
          HER HUSBAND, CLAY AND HER, HER CHILDREN, SORIN, ADDISON, AND ATTICUS. 
          AWESOME. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING HER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE WANNA PAUSE FOR PHOTOS OF NEW HIRES? YOU WANT ME TO GET THE PROMOTIONS UP HERE TOO? I'LL DO THIS FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL ARE DISMISSED. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          SO WE ALSO TAKE TIME AT THE FIRST MEETING OF EVERY MONTH TO RECOGNIZE ANY PROMOTIONS THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE LAST 30 DAYS. 
          SO NOW TO RECOGNIZE THE RECENT PROMOTIONS, CELEBRATING THESE INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENTS INSPIRES COLLECTIVE MOTIVATION AND GROWTH FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          LET'S TAKE A MOMENT TO APPLAUD THESE DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO HAVE RECENTLY ADVANCED IN THEIR CAREERS. 
          FIRST UP, ETHAN SIMS, UH, JOINING OR BEING PROMOTED TO MANAGEMENT ANALYST. 
          NEXT, KATE MORIARTY, UH, BEING PROMOTED TO ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. 
          NEXT, DUSTIN CLAWSON, BEING PROMOTED TO SENIOR UTILITY TECHNICIAN. 
          NEXT SHAYNA YOUNG, COMMUNICATE BEING PROMOTED TO COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT IS MICAH BLANTON, WHO'S BEING PROMOTED TO SENIOR UTILITY TECHNICIAN. 
          OKAY, NOW WE HAVE SOME DEPARTMENT ACCOLADES THAT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          THE FIRST IS FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STANDING AND COMING TO THE FRONT. 
          THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION HAS AWARDED THE CITY OF HU, A DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET. 
          THIS AWARD REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT OF THE CITY AND STAFF TO MEETING THE HIGHEST PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENTAL BUDGETING. 
          WE'RE HONORED THAT HU'S DEDICATION TO EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL PLANNING AND TRANSPARENCY HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED WITH THIS PRESTIGIOUS AWARD. 
          AND THANK YOU TO OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR THE TIRELESS EFFORTS PUT IN, UH, AND PUT FORTH TO ACHIEVE THIS AWARD. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          NEXT IS IF THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD COME UP, 
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WHOMEVER THAT MIGHT BE, WHOEVER THIS GUY IS, THE HUDDLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS EARNED ACCREDITATION FROM THE TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. 
          NOW, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS, IT MEANS THAT THEY'VE PROVED COMPLIANCE WITH 170 LAW ENFORCEMENT BEST PRACTICES, MAKING THEM ONE OF ONLY 180 DEPARTMENTS STATEWIDE THAT HAVE RECEIVED THIS CERTIFICATION. 
          THIS HONOR HIGHLIGHTS THEIR DEDICATION TO EXCELLENCE, PROFESSIONALISM, AND COMMUNITY SERVICE CHIEF JEFFREY YARBOROUGH SHARED THIS QUOTE, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS SET BY TPCA ARE SUCH THAT ONCE ACHIEVED, THERE IS A NEWFOUND LEVEL OF DEPARTMENTAL PRIDE BECAUSE OF THE STANDARD OF ACCREDITATION THAT WAS EARNED AND NOT GIVEN. 
          THANK YOU HUD, OPD FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO TOP TIER ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT, GENERAL COMMENTS NOW, UM, FIRST WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO GOING TO STAGE TWO, BUT I WILL TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT THE QR CODE. 
          AGAIN. 
          UH, THE WAY THAT THE QR CODE WORKS IS IF YOU PULL THIS UP ON YOUR PHONE RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ANNOUNCING YOU CAN JUST LINK TO FROM THAT ONE LOCATION SO I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL THE WEB ADDRESSES TO GO FIND THESE THINGS. 
          UM, SO WE WERE, WE WERE ENTERING STAGE TWO WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS STARTING TOMORROW, FRIDAY, JULY 12TH. 
          THIS WILL BE FOR ALL CITY OF HUDU WATER CUSTOMERS. 
          UH, KEEP IN MIND, THERE ARE OTHER WATER PURVEYORS THAT ARE INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY OF HUDU. 
          SO THIS IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVE THEIR WATER FROM THE CITY OF HU AND NOT JONAH, NOT MANVILLE. 
          THEY'RE IN THEIR OWN, UH, RESTRICTIONS. 
          UH, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT STAGE TWO MEANS. 
          GENERALLY, UH, IT IS WATERING TWICE A DAY DEPENDING ON YOUR ADDRESS. 
          AND, UH, I'M SORRY, DID I SAY TWICE A DAY? THANK Y'ALL. 
          YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA KEEP ME HONEST UP HERE. 
          SOMETIMES MY BRAIN'S RUNNING FASTER THAN MY MOUTH AND SOMETIMES MY MOUTH IS RUNNING FASTER THAN MY BRAIN. 
          UH, TWICE A WEEK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BASED ON, UH, YOUR ADDRESS. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO DEDICATED DAYS TO BE ABLE TO WATER OUTSIDE. 
          YOU CAN ALSO WATER BY HAND AND OTHER THINGS IN BETWEEN THOSE DAYS. 
          UH, BUT JUST CHECK WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE ONLINE AND THEY WILL GO IN EFFECT TOMORROW. 
          ALSO, RESTORATION BEGINS THIS WEEK ON THE PECAN WATER TOWER IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S THE THING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE DIRTY Q-TIP OVER THAT WAY. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          CREWS ARE EXPECTED TO WORK OVER THERE THE NEXT 90 DAYS TO SANDBLAST THE TOWER AND INSTALL A NEW, A NEW WATER PIPELINE. 
          WORKING HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, SEVEN TO 8:00 PM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND FRIDAY AND SATURDAY FROM 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM. 
          ALSO, WE WANNA ANNOUNCE THAT THE FALL ADULT SPORT LEAGUES ARE RE OR REGISTRATIONS OPENING FOR THOSE. 
          THESE WOULD BE CO-ED KICKBALL, CO-ED SOFTBALL, MEN'S SOFTBALL. 
          SO IF YOU NEED A TEAM AND YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ONE OF THE REC TEAMS, PLEASE UH, GO TO THE WEBSITE AND REGISTER. 
          OR YOU CAN JOIN THE FREE AGENT LIST IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM ALREADY. 
          AND THE TEAMS WILL RECRUIT YOU. 
          TO CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE LATEST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS VIDEO THAT WAS CREATED BY OUR IN-HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM. 
          SO IT WAS SHOT EDITED, AND ALL THE TALENT, UH, IS, IS INTERNAL WITH THE, WITH THE FOLKS, SOME OF THEM THAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA SHARE THIS. 
          IT'S JUST A COUPLE MINUTE VIDEO TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE SOUND. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
          INNOVATION BOULEVARD AT LIMMER LOOP WILL HAVE A FOUR-WAY TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLED. 
          THE HIGH TRAFFIC INTERSECTION PROVIDES ACCESS TO TOLLWAY ONE 30. 
          INNOVATION BUSINESS PARK AND TEXAS STATE TECHNICAL COLLEGE ENGINEERING PLANS ARE AT 60%. 
          DESIGN AND COST ESTIMATES ARE UNDER REVIEW. 
          THIS UPDATE IS ESTIMATED TO BE COMPLETE IN SUMMER 2025 WITH ITS DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANES IN EACH DIRECTION AND THROUGH RIGHT TURNS. 
          THE EXPANSION OF LIMMER LOOP IN 1660 WILL ALLEVIATE THE RUSH HOUR CONGESTION FELT BY RESIDENTS. 
          HU ISD ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS ARE WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY AS OUR FRITZ PARK AND COTTON CREEK TRAIL, THE ADJACENT SIDEWALKS FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WILL SERVE TO CONNECT OUR INCREASINGLY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SPEAKING OF SIDEWALKS OVER AN EDGE PIT AND LIMMER PLANS HAVE BEEN 100% APPROVED, AND DESIGN IS 30% COMPLETE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF HUNDREDS OF FEET OF SIDEWALK TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS, ESPECIALLY EMORY FORUMS, RESIDENTS THAT TRAVEL TO LOCAL BUSINESSES NEARBY. 
          SPEAKING OF SAFETY, THE CITY OF HUDU AND HUDU ISD HAVE PARTNERED TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AT EXCHANGE AND LIMMER LOOP NEAR COTTONWOOD CREEK ELEMENTARY, DESIGNED FOR THIS NEW TRAFFIC LIGHT AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSING IS FINALIZED AND IS SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION IN MARCH, 2025 FROM IMPROVING TRAFFIC FLOW TO NEW PEDESTRIAN PATHS. 
          THESE UPDATES ENSURE A SAFER, WELL CONNECTED AND 
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ACCESSIBLE HUDDLE. 
          AS OUR PROJECTS CONTINUE, WE APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE AND SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          STAY TUNED FOR MORE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECT UPDATES. 
          I AM VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN COMING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CITY AND THE STAFF THAT'S BEEN, UH, WORKING, BUILDING URGED UNDERWATER, A FATAL CONSTRUCTION FLAW IN ALL RECENT, ALL . 
          IT IS A FATAL FLAW. 
          LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO NOT DESIGN THOSE. 
          UM, ANYWAY, I'M JUST VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN COMING OUT OF THE STAFF AND, UH, AND, AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE, UH, THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR MAKING THESE PROJECTS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY CITY MANAGER COMMENTS. 
          THANKS, SIR. 
          NEXT WE GOT PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANY OKAY. 
          ABOUT THE SWEARING IN. 
          OH, WE'VE GOT, YEP. 
          SORRY. 
          SIX ONE THE SWEARING IN OF LAUREL HALLMARK AS CITY SECRETARY. 
          MAKING SURE WE'RE LIVE. 
           YOU GO. 
          ALRIGHT, MS. LAURA HALLMARK. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, PLEASE. 
          I, LAURA HALLMARK, I, LAURA HALLMARK, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF CITY SECRETARY FOR THE CITY OF HUDU, FOR THE OFFICE OF CITY SECRETARY. 
          FOR THE CITY OF HUDU. 
          OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THIS STATE, OF THE UNITED STATES, AND OF THIS STATE. 
          SO HELP ME GUIDE. 
          SO HELP ME. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT, LAURA. 
          SO THAT BRINGS US TO 
          [8.1. Presentation on the Vision and Future Possibilities of the Hutto YMCA (Russell Daniel)]
ITEM EIGHT, ONE PRESENTATION ON THE VISION AND FUTURE POSSIBILITIES OF THE HURO YMCA. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, MIKE? NO. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. 
          MY NAME IS RUSSELL DANIEL. 
          I'M THE, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING CHAIR, UH, FOR THE HU YMCA BOARD. 
          THIS IS AUGUST ALVARADO. 
          HE'S OUR, UH, BOARD CHAIR PRESIDENT, UH, THIS GO ROUND. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU GUYS DID, I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN MAY. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GRATEFUL FOR THE MATCHING FUNDS THAT YOU DESIGNATED FOR THE UPDATE OF OUR YMCA AND REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE COMING. 
          SO I WANNA THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DIVE RIGHT INTO OUR, OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, JUST BY WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW, UH, THE BUILDING, THE CURRENT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2012. 
          I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED IN 2013, BACK WHEN OUR POPULATION WAS ABOUT, UH, 16 OR 17,000. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE A MUCH BIGGER CITY, UH, NOW APPROACHING THAT 40,000 MARK VERY QUICKLY. 
          UM, THE, THE CURRENT YMCA BUILDING'S ABOUT 28,000 SQUARE FEET, AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE OVER 10,000, UH, INDIVIDUAL USERS WHO COME THROUGH THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          UH, NOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MOST OF THESE USERS ARE COMING FROM WITHIN A SEVEN MILE RADIUS OF THE FACILITY. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO, UH, FOR SUCH A, A SMALL FACILITY, IT IS, UH, VERY, VERY WELL USED. 
          UH, SINCE 2023, LABOR DAY 2023, UH, WE'VE HAD OVER 144,000 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CHECKED IN TO UTILIZE THE FACILITY. 
          UH, PROBABLY AN ADDITIONAL 78,000, UH, WHO HAVE VISITED AND WATCHED A BASKETBALL GAME OR WATCHED A SWIM LESSON OR GYMNASTICS CLASS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I THINK WE'RE CUT OFF ON THE BOTTOM THERE, BUT WE HAVE ABOUT 1500, OR I'M SORRY, 1400 INVOLVED IN, UH, YOUTH SPORTS AND ANOTHER 228 WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SPECIALTY DAY CAMPS. 
          SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, EXTENSIVELY LAST TIME, UH, THAT THE BUILDING IS VERY OVERCROWDED. 
          IT IS BECOMING AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE MEMBERS. 
          UH, SO TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF BENCHMARK THAT AND PUT SOME NUMBERS AROUND THAT, WE HAVE, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS CHART. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, UH, THEIR MUNICIPAL INDOOR REC FACILITIES SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, ADDED WITH THEIR YMCA SQUARE FOOTAGE, 
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IF THAT IS APPLICABLE. 
          AND THEN, UM, ADDED UP THE TOTAL THERE IN THAT MIDDLE COLUMN, UH, DIVIDED BY A POPULATION. 
          AND THEN YOU GET YOUR SQUARE FOOT PER CAPITA. 
          YOU'LL SEE OUR HU YMCA IS WELL BELOW THE AVERAGE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BURNETT, WHICH IS OUR, OUR OUTLIER THERE. 
          UH, SO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, IN OUR LOCAL, OUR LOCAL CITIES HERE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME AS WELL, THE MATCHING FUNDS THAT YOU GUYS GRANTED ARE GONNA GO TO EXPAND, UH, THE FITNESS FLOOR AND ADD A LITTLE OVER 400 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DO A, A REFRESH OF THE LOCKER ROOMS, AND WE'LL ALSO ADD OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHICH IS KIND OF THE HOT THING RIGHT NOW, AND HAVE SOME OUTDOOR EXERCISE AREA AS WELL. 
          UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, UH, THINK SEPTEMBER COLBY GONNA HAVE, GONNA HAVE SOME WALLS MOVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ON THAT. 
          VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MEET OUR GROWING COMMUNITIES INDOOR, UH, RECREATIONAL NEEDS, UH, FOR THE FUTURE. 
          SO, UH, A LITTLE MORE HISTORY HERE IN 2019. 
          SO, FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT, UH, THAT CITY COUNCIL AND THE YMCA COMMISSIONED A MARKET RESEARCH FIRM TO DETERMINE THE FOLLOWING. 
          IF A LARGER YMCA A SLASH REC CENTER, UH, WAS CONSTRUCTED, WOULD MORE HOUSEHOLDS ACTUALLY USE IT? SO, UH, THE RESEARCH, UH, ENCOMPASSED THESE AREAS, AND WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROJECT, THEY PROPOSED A NORTH LOCATION AND A SOUTH LOCATION. 
          NOW, THERE WAS ACTUALLY NO LAND GIVEN OR DELEGATED FOR THIS AT ALL. 
          THIS WAS KIND OF ALL IN THEORY. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST NORTH OF, UH, LIKE LIMMER LOOP THERE. 
          AND THEN JUST SOUTH, UH, KINDA WHERE CHRIS KELLY AND, UH, COMES TOGETHER WITH, UH, ONE 30. 
          SO THOSE TWO GENERAL AREAS. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY SURVEYED, UH, 900 PEOPLE AND UTILIZED THE FOLLOWING METHODOLOGY. 
          UH, WE TOOK THE CURRENT NUMBER OF YMCA MEMBERS IN 2019, UH, PLUS THE NUMBER OF SURVEYED HOUSEHOLDS, UH, THAT INDICATED A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF INTEREST IN JOINING A NEW LARGER FACILITY. 
          NOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. 
          THEY RATED THIS ON A SCALE OF ONE TO FOUR, WITH FOUR BEING VERY HIGH, AND THEY ONLY COUNTED THOSE THAT MARKED A FOUR. 
          SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF IMPORTANT TO NOTE. 
          THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THOSE WHO WOULD'VE BEEN A THREE AND SAID, YEAH, WE'LL PROBABLY GO, BUT NOT, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. 
          UH, ADDED IN PRICE POINT AND THEN, UH, LOCATION AND USE THAT, UM, TO FIND AN EXTRAPOLATED USAGE PROJECTION BASED ON, UH, 22, 20 23 POPULATION. 
          UH, THAT STUDY DETERMINED THAT 80%, 87% OF THE INTERVIEW PARTICIPANTS PREFERRED A SOUTHERN, UH, SITE LOCATION. 
          AND WITH THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BROUGHT IN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, 1,903 UNITS, WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 6,660 INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, UH, WHO WOULD PAY TO USE A LARGER FACILITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HUDU. 
          SO, A, AGAIN, AT THE TIME, UH, THE, OF THAT STUDY, THERE WERE 2071 UNITS IN OUR CURRENT YMCA. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, PUTTING A-Y-M-C-A IN THAT SOUTH LOCATION WOULD'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, UH, WHO WOULD'VE USED THAT. 
          UH, THAT FACILITY WAS PROPOSED AT 60,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, YOU CAN READ THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THAT WOULD'VE ALSO OUT, UH, INCLUDED OUTDOOR, UH, POOL AND AMENITIES TO GO WITH IT. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE, THE SURVEY THERE OF WHAT PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN, WHAT THEY WANTED, UH, WELLNESS AND FITNESS CENTER GROUP EXERCISE, VERY HIGH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR POOL, UH, AGAIN, RANKING VERY, VERY HIGH. 
          SO THIS LARGER FACILITY, UH, THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THAT STUDY IN 2019 IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS GOING IN IN GEORGETOWN CURRENTLY. 
          UH, THIS, UH, I BELIEVE, JEFF, AM I RIGHT THAT THIS IS IN DESIGN PHASE? IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS IS IN DESIGN, UH, HOPEFULLY BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT THE INSIDE OF THAT FACILITY IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF BASKETBALL COURTS, UH, BIG GYMNASTICS AREA, UH, INDOOR LAP POOL, OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL POOL, UM, COMMUNITY ROOM, TEEN ZONE CHILDCARE, UH, VERY NICE LOCKER ROOMS. AND, AND THEN UPSTAIRS YOU SEE THE, UH, REALLY LARGE FITNESS AREA. 
          AND SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN 2019. 
          SO, UH, THE NEXT QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY COST. 
          WHAT'S THE COST OF THAT KIND OF FACILITY? UH, THAT'S WHERE STICKER SHOCK STARTS TO SET IN. 
          AND YOU SEE THAT, THAT PRICE TAG, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO 32 MILLION FOR THAT GEORGETOWN YMCA. 
          SO 
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AT THIS POINT, UH, IN THE CONVERSATION IN 2019, UH, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES AND WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY. 
          OBVIOUSLY, COVID STEPPED IN THERE, AND THEN I BELIEVE, UH, 20 21, 20 22, UH, CAME BACK AND STARTED TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE IF WE JUST TOOK THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT YMCA AND EXPANDED THAT, PUT IN AN OUTDOOR POOL, PUT IN, UH, LARGER, UH, FITNESS AREA. 
          AND THIS WAS THAT PROPOSAL. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO AREAS CIRCLED IN RED, UH, THE ADDITIONAL FITNESS AREA THERE ON THE RIGHT, AND THEN THE OUTDOOR, UH, RECREATIONAL AND LAP POOL, UH, ON THE TOP LEFT. 
          AND THAT PLAN CAME BACK AT SEVEN TO 8 MILLION AT THAT TIME. 
          SO, UH, THIS LEADS ME TO TODAY WHAT ARE OUR SOLUTIONS IN LIBERTY HILL, LIBERTY CITY OF LIBERTY HILL, LIBERTY HILL, ISD, AND LEANDER, ISD ARE CURRENTLY TALKING WITH OUR YMCA OF CENTRAL TEXAS OF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A REC CENTER FACILITY THAT WOULD MEET THE NEEDS OF BOTH COMMUNITIES. 
          SO BACK TO HUDU 2019, WE TALKED ABOUT A NORTH SITE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT A SOUTH SITE. 
          OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE CHANGED, UH, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN WITH THE, UH, COMING OF SAMSUNG AND EVERYTHING THAT SAMSUNG WILL BRING IN BEHIND IT. 
          NOW WE'VE GOT THE MEGA SITE THINGS ARE ROLLING OUT ON THE MEGA SITE, SO WE KNOW THAT EAST IS WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING. 
          SO, UH, KIND OF OUR, OUR QUESTION FOR, FOR US AND FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER IS WHAT WOULD AN EAST SIDE REGIONAL YMCA REC CENTER LOOK LIKE AND COULD IT POSSIBLY SERVE TWO COMMUNITIES SIMILAR TO WHAT LIBERTY HILL AND LEANDER ARE LOOKING INTO? AND THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT IS IF YOU GET MULTIPLE PARTNERS IN, THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY RELIEVE THE COST BURDEN. 
          UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING. 
          THERE'S THAT SEVEN MILE RADIUS. 
          AGAIN, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN BETWEEN HU AND TAYLOR, COULD IT POSSIBLY SERVICE BOTH COMMUNITIES? UH, YOU SEE THAT RADIUS STILL INCLUDES ALL OF HURO DOWN TO, UH, OUT TO SIENNA AND TO STAR RANCH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES ALL OF TAYLOR, UH, AREA THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED IN BETWEEN. 
          SO TO CONCLUDE, I JUST WANT TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND, AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS. 
          WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF HUDU. 
          UH, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE BEING JUST ABSOLUTELY SQUEEZED INTO OUR CURRENT FACILITY. 
          UH, WHAT WOULD, UH, POSSIBLY A NEW REC CENTER LOOK LIKE IN OUR FUTURE? COULD WE DO IT ON THE EAST SIDE? COULD WE ENTICE TAYLOR AND TAYLOR, ISD TO BE PARTNERS? AND COULD WE ENTICE, HOW DO ISD IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, BOND ELECTION FROM LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS LEFT OFF OF HOW DO ISDS BOND, UH, WAS A NATATORIUM. 
          SO COULD WE APPROACH THEM AGAIN AND SAY, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO ANY UP AND, AND BRING IN YOUR PART TO, TO HELP BRING IN SOME FUNDING? UH, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE POTENTIAL INTEREST OF THESE POTENTIAL PARTNERS? AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I'LL END WITH IS THIS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. 
          SINCE 2019, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. 
          WE'VE SEEN THIS COMING. 
          WE KNOW THE GROWTH WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO COME EVERY MONTH. 
          WE ADD IN MORE AND MORE MEMBERS, AND THE SPACE JUST GETS SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER. 
          SO HOW LONG DO WE PUT THIS OFF OR WE GONNA DO SOMETHING? AND WHAT I THINK IS WE COULD DO SOMETHING REALLY GREAT. 
          WE COULD DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD SERVE BOTH HUDU, THAT WOULD SERVE TAYLOR, THAT WOULD BE A MAGNIFICENT FACILITY THAT WOULD SERVE OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS MEMBERS, BUT ALSO SERVICE US FOR GENERATIONS TO COME AND BE KIND OF A, A STAPLE IN BETWEEN HUDU AND TAYLOR. 
          AND SO WHAT'S STOPPING US FROM ACTUALLY PUTTING OUR BOOTS TO THE GROUND AND GETTING SOME WORK DONE? UM, PERSONALLY I'D LOVE TO SEE OUR CITY COUNCIL, UH, PUT TOGETHER A COMMISSION, UH, THAT WOULD, UM, LET'S MAKE THIS A REALITY. 
          WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THIS A REALITY? DO WE HAVE OTHER PARTNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED? AND LET'S BEGIN TO GO, ACTUALLY GO DOWN THE ROAD AND EXPLORE THIS AND SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UH, AT THIS POINT. 
          HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME FOR AUGUST. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, COLBY AND JEFF HERE. 
          JEFF IS OUR CEO AT THE CENTRAL TEXAS YMCA. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          ONE THING THAT LET, LET'S BE CLEAR ON ONE THING TOO. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, I LOVE THE, THE MESSAGE, JAMES, THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE CALL TO SERVICE. 
          AND WE ARE SERVING A POPULATION THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW, AND WE ARE CALLED TO SERVE THOSE FOLKS AS, AS BEST WE CAN. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THE 28 MILLION FOR THE GEORGETOWN LOCATION, IT'S A SHARED COST. 
          THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE COST FOR THE CITY, OKAY? LET'S JUST BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          IT BRINGS PARTNERSHIPS THAT WANTS TO, THAT, THAT WANT THE FACILITY. 
          THE CITY WANTED IT. 
          THE 
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Y WANTED IT. 
          UM, THE FOUNDERS DID A GREAT JOB OF GOING OUT AND, UH, SECURING FUNDING FOR THAT AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 
          SO IT, IT TAKES A, A WHOLE VILLAGE TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER THAT WE'RE HERE TO SERVE. 
          SO I LOVE, LIKE RUSSELL SAID, COMMISSIONING A A COMMITTEE OF CITY FOLKS, WHITE FOLKS, REGULAR POPULATION TO SEE, AGAIN, FROM THAT STUDY WHAT IS, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE INTERESTS NOW? LIKE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO SERVE NOW? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S CHANGED WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOW MOVED TO THE AREA. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UH, WE'RE READY TO DO THAT AND WE'RE READY TO DO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SUPPORTING US HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS, MAYOR OR ANYONE? THANKS GUYS. 
          QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, HAVE Y'ALL CONSIDERED LIKE GOING TO TAYLOR, WHAT IS THE TEMPERATURE IN TAYLOR FOR A, A WANT AND A NEED FOR A-Y-M-C-A? DO Y'ALL KNOW, LIKE FROM TALKING WITH THE CITY OR EVEN THE TAYLOR ISD DO, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A TEMPERATURE ON ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT OR, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW THEY, UH, PUT OUT AN RFP FOR A REC CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THEY'RE AT LEAST INTERESTED IN ONE FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          IN, IN, IN TERMS OF A WHY, THE WHOLE THING WITH SAMSUNG REALLY EXPLODED COUNCILWOMAN. 
          SO IT REALLY PRECIPITATED THAT TEMPERATURE REALLY, REALLY HOT WHERE A LOT OF CI CITIZENS THERE BELIEVE THAT THEY, AND THEY REALLY DO WANT A Y FOR TWO, FOR TWO REASONS. 
          THE, THE PRIMARY ONE THAT I WOULD SAY, AND JEFF PLEASE FEEL TO CORRECT ME, IS CHILDCARE. 
          THEY REALLY, REALLY, AND WE HELP 'EM A LOT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A FUN BUS THAT WE GO AND BRING KIDS AND THEY PARTICIPATE IN OUR HU Y SO THEY KNOW THE VALUE OF THAT. 
          SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING THEMSELVES IS, WITH THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND IT'S GONNA BE BUILT, CAN WE CAPITALIZE ON THAT? SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE GROUPS THERE THAT WE HEAR ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, WELL WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO STAND UP ONE THERE? SO YES, YES MA'AM. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET EXCITED 'CAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? MAY I ACTUALLY, ONE OTHER THING, MAYOR, SORRY. 
          UH, SURE. 
          COUNCILMAN DAN, I KNOW YOU REQUESTED US TO COME BACK WITH, WITH A PLAN. 
          I HOPE THIS MEETS WHAT YOU HAD REQUESTED FROM US. 
          WE, WE WENT THROUGH IT LIKE THREE ITERATIONS. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAD ASKED US LAST TIME. 
          Y NO, I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT BACK NEW IDEAS AND I MEAN, A REC CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND THAT'S A NEED FOR IT. 
          AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS TO GET THERE. 
          DUNNO HOW FAST WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THERE. 
          BUT SITTING AROUND NOT, NOT WORKING ON IT IS NOT GONNA GET US THERE. 
          WE NEED TO START THOSE STEPS. 
          AND SO I THINK THIS GIVES US SOME, I SOME IDEAS THAT WE HADN'T BEEN DISCUSSING BEFORE THAT WE NEED TO PURSUE. 
          WE DEFINITELY SHOULD BE TALKING TO TAYLOR AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT TOGETHER, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA. 
          SO YEAH, THIS WAS GOOD. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          'CAUSE ON SATURDAY WE'RE ALL GETTING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS FUTURE CIP PROJECTS, UH, IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND SO HAVING THIS INFORMATION, UM, CAN KIND OF DRIVE THE CONVERSATION ON SATURDAY AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU GUYS. 
          THANKS. 
          YOU KNOW MY VIEWS ON THE WHY, UM, BIG PROPONENT OF IT. 
          I THINK, UM, BEFORE I WERE TO SET UP A COMMISSION, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE. 
          AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE THIS THING WHERE WE HAVE A SPLIT IN THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE IN THE BUILDING OR ON THE COUNCIL, THAT WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE A NEW REC CENTER WHO WOULD DO A POOL. 
          SOME PEOPLE SAY IT WOULD NEVER BE THE Y I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT THAT YOU GUYS ARE A 5 0 1 C3. 
          THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF A 5 0 1 C3 IS TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OF GOVERNMENT. 
          SO WHEN GOVERNMENT TELLS ME THAT THEY WANNA RUN A POOL AND THEY WANNA HIRE THE PEOPLE AND THEY WANNA DO ALL THE WORK, ALL I SEE IS TAXES GOING UP, TAXES GOING UP. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO FIRST GET WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          SO, SO THAT THEY CAN SET THE DIRECTION SO THAT WHEN WE DO A COMMISSION, WE CAN SAY AT TODAY WITH THE COUNCIL THAT SITS UP HERE, NOW, DO WE WANNA PROCEED AND, AND WORK WITH THE Y AND STRENGTHEN THAT RELATIONSHIP AND TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF, SOMETIMES THERE'S BEEN ROADBLOCKS WHERE THE CONVERSATION GETS STOPPED BEFORE IT GETS STARTED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TOLD AS LONG AS I WORK HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A POOL OPERATED BY THE YMCA. 
          AND SO I THINK IF WE AS A COUNCIL COME TOGETHER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE CAN AT LEAST TELL YOU ALL IN THE PUBLIC WE EITHER SUPPORT YOU ALL AND THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY, OR WE THINK THAT INSIDE THIS BUILDING WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB. 
          AND THEN I THINK ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT WE CAN DO A COMMISSION MEET WITH, UM, THE MEMBERS OF, UH, TAYLOR AND THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S THESE FIEFDOMS WHERE, 
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YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE MY WAY OR IT HAS TO BE IN OUR CITY WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN HU THEY DON'T CARE. 
          IF IT WAS BUILT IN TAYLOR, THEY WOULD GO TO TAYLOR, THE YMCA IN ROUND ROCK IS PROBABLY GONNA PULL PEOPLE FROM HU OUT THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK WE HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY HAVE TO LEAVE OUR CITY FOR BASIC SERVICES LIKE AQUATIC LEARNING HOW TO SWIM, UH, BASKETBALL PROGRAMS. AND SO THEN THEY GO TO ROUND ROCK. 
          AND WE CAN DO THAT HERE. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH OTHER CITIES, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS YOURSELF. 
          SO, UM, I'LL PUT THAT, I'LL PUT THAT PROMISE OUT THERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE AN ITEM COMING UP, UM, I'LL SAY THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE BOOKED IN JULY, BUT HAVE THAT THEN WE CAN GO TO A COMMISSION AND REALLY START, UM, I MEAN PUTTING UP OR SHUTTING UP. 
          OTHERWISE, THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S 40,000 PEOPLE TODAY. 
          THREE NEW FAMILIES, UM, PER DAY ARE MOVING INTO HUDDLE ON AVERAGE. 
          AND THEY ALL HAVE TWO POINT SOMETHING KIDS. 
          AND ALL ANYBODY THAT HAS A DOUBT AT THE SERVICE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DO IS GO TO THE Y AT SIX O'CLOCK AND WATCH, YOU KNOW, 50 KIDS COME RUNNING OUT AFTER BASKETBALL, HOW EXCITED THEY ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL. 
          AND THAT'S ONLY 50 KIDS OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          BUT THERE'S A THOUSAND KIDS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND WE'RE NOT, TO ME, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING WHAT WE NEED TO. 
          BUT, SO THANKS. 
          I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING AND FEEL FREE IF SATURDAY SOME QUESTIONS COME UP, I'D RATHER YOU CALL ME AND WE HANDLE THEM THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, SENSE OF TIME THAT WAY. 
          SO FEEL, FEEL FREE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DISTURBED. 
          GOOD TIME. 
          WE'LL CALL YOU. 
          YOU'VE GOT MY CELL NUMBER. 
          JUST CALL ME MAYOR. 
          SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [8.2. Estates of Hutto Public Improvement District (Kevin Youngblood)]
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT, TWO ESTATES OF HU PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THIS EVENING TO, UH, TO REINTRODUCE OUR PROJECT, THE STATE'S A HUDDLE, AND, UM, MY NAME'S KEVIN YOUNGBLOOD AND I'M WITH, UM, GFO HOME. 
          I'D BE THE, UM, I'D BE THE LAND DEVELOPER AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY BRING THE, UH, THE WHOLE BUILDING TO THE, UM, TO THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SO ABOUT GFO HOME. 
          UM, SO THE, THE G IN GFO HOME IS, UH, IS A GUY NAMED GLENN GHEN. 
          YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF GUILLEN HOMES. 
          UM, I THINK THEY WERE ONE OF THE LARGER PRIVATELY HELD, UM, UM, BUILDERS IN THE COUNTRY WHEN HE AND HIS TWO BROTHERS SOLD A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND HE ACTUALLY STARTED GFO HOME IN AUSTIN COMING UP ON SIX YEARS AGO. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS, HE HAD THIS IDEA OF, UH, YOU JUST CALL IT EXECUTIVE HOUSING, KINDA THESE LARGER, UM, MORE OPEN FLOOR PLANS, UM, THAT, UH, WERE KIND OF, UH, HEAVILY, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS HIGHER, HIGHER FINISHED OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, LITTLE, LITTLE BIT LARGER LOT THAT WOULD ATTRACT KIND OF THIS, UM, EXECUTIVE, UM, IT'S BASICALLY EXECUTIVE HOUSING IS. 
          AND WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESS HERE, UM, IN AUSTIN, UM, WITH THAT AND, AND DALLAS. 
          AND, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT HUDU IN PARTICULAR WITH ITS LOCATION, UM, AND WITH ONE 30, YOU KNOW, BECOMING THIS EMPLOYMENT HUB THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HUDU WOULD BE KIND OF AN IDEAL FIT FOR THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THESE EXECUTIVES TO HAVE SOME EXECUTIVE HOUSING. 
          THEY, THIS BUYER TENDS TO, UM, THEY TEND TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALS, BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, UPPER MANAGEMENT, UM, AND, AND THEY TEND TO WANT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT, UM, LARGER HOME, MAYBE A THIRD CAR GARAGE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UM, YARD. 
          AND THESE, UM, GFO HOMES BEEN BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN, UM, IDENTIFYING THAT BUYER AND, AND BRINGING THAT PRODUCT. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE PROJECT HERE. 
          IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN IN THE, UH, IN THE PATH OF GROWTH. 
          THERE'S THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          SO WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO REINSTATE THAT. 
          THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS A ILLUSTRATED REPRESENTATION OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ENTRY MONUMENT, UM, CAN BE AND THE, AND THE LANDSCAPING HARDSCAPE KIND OF ON THE ENTRANCE. 
          AND THEN THIS IS OUR, UH, THIS IS OUR PART CONCEPT. 
          UH, I GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK, UM, AFTER OUR INITIAL, UM, PRESENTATION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR, UM, MORE AMENITIES, PARTICULARLY TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          SO 
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THIS WOULD BE A 12 FOOT MULTIPURPOSE TRAIL. 
          IT'D BE A DOG PARK. 
          WE'D HAVE A LITTLE PAVILION, HAVE A PLAY FIELD. 
          I GOT SOME GREAT IN INPUT THAT, UM, ALONG THESE TRAILS, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU COULD PLANT SOME TREES FOR SHADE AND SOME, AND SOME BENCHES. 
          AND THEN, UH, ALSO LIKE THE, UH, ONE OF THE MORE POPULAR THINGS HERE IS, UH, IS THE SPLASH PAD HERE WITH THE CO-OP. 
          SO, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY LOSE A COUPLE LOTS AND, AND DO A LITTLE SPLASH PAD AS WELL AND PROVIDE, UH, ACCESS TO IT FROM, FROM THE PARK. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, AT THE HEAD OF THE PARK OFF OF COUNTY ROAD, UM, 1 33, THERE'S A, UM, A CAR PARK, A A PARKING LOT FOR PEOPLE TO PARK THE CAR AND, AND ENJOY THE, UH, AND ENJOY THE AMENITIES. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, UH, GFO PRESIDENTIAL SERIES. 
          SO THESE ARE OUR LARGER HOMES. 
          THESE ARE, THIS IS PART OF OUR INTERIOR DESIGN THAT WE HAVE. 
          SOME OF THESE HOMES, THESE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS OF HOMES HERE IN, IN, UH, IN AUSTIN. 
          I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY ON THIS. 
          OH NO, I'M SO SORRY. 
          , UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR, UM, KEEP GOING PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          OKAY, WHEN , WHEN, WHEN DID IT AGAIN? SO THIS IS THE LINK, AND AGAIN, THIS IS OUR PRESIDENTIAL SERIES. 
          THESE ARE OUR LARGER HOME PLANS. 
          UM, OUR AVERAGE, UH, SQUARE FOOT IS, UM, IS OVER 3000 FEET IN THIS SERIES. 
          UM, IT GOES UP TO 4,800 FEET. 
          UH, THIS PARTICULAR BUYER TENDS TO, UH, GO TO THE DESIGN CENTER AND, AND SPEND A, UM, SOME OF THE, A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT KIND OF CUSTOMIZING THEIR HOME, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS INTERIOR FINISH OUT. 
          THERE'S THE ROOSEVELT, ALL THESE HAVE SEVERAL ELEVATIONS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T GET, YOU KNOW, THE REPETITION THAT YOU MIGHT GET IN IN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ACTUAL PHOTOS OF THESE, UH, OF THE INTERIOR FINISH OUT OF, OF THESE, THESE ACTUAL HOMES. 
          AND THIS IS THE KENNEDY. 
          THIS IS OUR LARGER, THIS IS OUR LARGEST FLOOR PLAN IN THE SERIES. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT SOME OF THE INTERIOR DESIGN LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE, WE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT KIND OF THE END OF, UH, LAST YEAR. 
          AND, UM, ALL THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF THE, OF THE CITY'S, UM, BASELINE DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THE, UH, THE PARK WITH, UH, AND THAT'S, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S HEAVILY AMENITIZED. 
          UM, BE JUST OVER 400,000 APPROXIMATELY IN, UM, AVALOR TAX TO CITY OF HU, OR I'M SORRY. 
          AND THEN WE'D, THERE'D ALSO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT CONTRIBUTION, UM, IS ESTIMATED THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ALMOST $630,000. 
          I MAY TURN THIS OVER NOW TO, UH, TO RICK ROSENBERG. 
          HE'S, HE'S MY PID EXPERT IN, UH, IN COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEVIN. 
          UH, FOR THE RECORD, RICK ROSENBERG WITH DPFG, UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE PID PROCESS 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE. 
          BUT JUST A, A REINFORCEMENT THAT THIS IS A NO COST TO THE CITY, UH, FINANCING MECHANISM. 
          ALL THE COSTS ARE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE PIT. 
          UH, AND NO RESIDENT OF THE CITY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PIT. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE A FIXED, NOT A TAX, SO THAT THERE'S COST CERTAINTY FOR THE HOMEOWNER. 
          UH, THERE IS NO, THE, THE BONDS THAT WE WILL BE REQUESTING ARE NON-RECOURSE TO THE CITY. 
          UH, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PREPAY THEIR ASSESSMENTS AND WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY ANY TAX REVENUE FROM THE CITY, UH, SALES OR PROPERTY TAXES. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY TOURS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, AS KEVIN MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ABOVE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY. 
          AND THAT'S, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, WE KNOW THAT'S THE KEY PART OF REQUESTING THE PIT APPROVAL. 
          UM, 
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WE'RE BASICALLY USING THE PI TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THIS IS OUTTA THE STATUTE, THE LIST OF COSTS THAT ARE BEING PAID FOR. 
          UM, WE ARE TARGETING A, AT THIS TIME, A TOTAL TAX RATE OF INCLUDING ALL TAXING JURISDICTIONS IN THE PI EQUIVALENT RATE OF A $2 AND 70 CENTS TAX RATE. 
          THAT'S WITHIN THE, THAT'S EQUAL TO THE MARKET OF OTHER PROJECTS WITH PS IN THE HU AREA, TARGETING A 30 YEAR BOND TERM, ESTIMATED $6.3 MILLION BOND TO NET FOR KEVIN'S USE, $4.8 MILLION. 
          AND AS KEVIN SAID, UH, THE 10% COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE OF $628,000. 
          SO WE HAVE OVER $9.3 MILLION OF AUTHORIZED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WILL BE THE NET PROCEEDS TO THE DEVELOPER OF THE 4.8 MILLION LESS THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE, THE DEVELOPER IS FUNDING OVER 55% OF THESE ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE PIT IS ONLY PAYING FOR A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 45%. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO LOT TYPES WITH HOME PRICES STARTING AT 700,000, SEVEN 50 WITH A AN EQUIVALENT TAX RATE OF 54 CENTS. 
          SO THE MONTHLY PAYMENT FOR A HOMEOWNER IS, YOU KNOW, 300 TO $350 A MONTH. 
          UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE TARGETED TAX RATE PUTS THE PROJECT RIGHT INTO COMPETITIVE, UM, CYCLE OF, OF THE MARKET. 
          UH, THIS IS THE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE PROJECTED BOND OF $6.28 MILLION NETTING 4.8 LESS. 
          THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE GIVES, UH, IN ESSENCE THE DEVELOPER 4.2 MILLION, UH, TO FUND OUT OF, OF THE $9.3 MILLION OF COST. 
          SO A SIGNIFICANT OWNER CONTRIBUTION AND COST TO BE BORN BY THE DEVELOPER. 
          UH, TARGETING A VALUE TO LIEN RATIO RIGHT NOW OF THE, UH, IN ESSENCE WHAT, UH, THE APPRAISAL WILL SHOW ABOUT 2.6 TO ONE VERY CONSERVATIVE UNDERWRITING. 
          A LOT OF DEALS IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW ARE GETTING DONE AT THE TWO TO ONE. 
          WE'RE HAPPY THAT THIS IS AT THE 2.61 LEVEL, UH, TAX REVENUES TO BE GENERATED UPON BUILD OUT OF THE PROJECT, AS KEVIN REFERENCED OVER 400,000 TO THE CITY, ALMOST 1.2 MILLION TO THE ISD, UH, SIGNIFICANT MONEY TO THE COUNTY AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          SO THE TOTAL TAX RATE WILL BE $2 AND 70 CENTS. 
          BUT KNOWING AS HOMES GO UP IN VALUE THAT 54 CENTS WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON THE STARTING VALUE OF THE HOME 'CAUSE OF THE FIXED PAYMENT OF THE PIT. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          IT, UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PIT HIGH QUALITY PROJECT THAT, UH, FILLS A NICHE IN THE CITY. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. 
          SO ONE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL YOUR PARK IMPROVEMENTS FOR COMMUNITY BENEFIT NOW FIT WITH OUR NEW ADOPTED PIT POLICY. 
          'CAUSE I NOTICED ALL OF IT'S INSIDE THE RIPERIAN SETBACK AND INSIDE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANTED TO GET A LITTLE BIT FROM STAFF WHEN THEY COME BACK, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THAT IT'S AT 54 CENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND THAT DOES MEET ABOUT THE SAME, UH, 54 CENTS AS OTHER, UH, HOMES IN THE AREA. 
          BUT THIS HAS ALMOST DOUBLE THE PRICE OF MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA. 
          SO REALLY THAT PIT ASSESSMENT IS WAY ON A TRUE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, WAY HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WONDER IN THE CURRENT INTEREST RATES, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET $750,000, UH, ON A PROPERTY VALUE ON A HOUSE AT THIS TIME. 
          I, I WILL DEFER TO KEVIN ABOUT THE MARKETABILITY OF THE HOMES. 
          I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THE WAY THE MARKET LOOKS AT THE PIT PAYMENT IS WHAT IS IT AS AN EQUIVALENT TAX RATE? 'CAUSE THAT IS THE, THE COMPETITIVE MARKETPLACE. 
          UM, THE ACTUAL CASH MAY BE MORE THAN SOMEONE LIVING IN A 400,000 HOME, BUT IT IS EVERY COMMUNITY WE WORK IN THROUGHOUT TEXAS, WE LOOK AT THE RELATIVE EQUIVALENT TAX RATE COMPARED TO THE MARKETPLACE. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          ANY THOUGHTS ON MARKETABILITY? YEAH, REGARDING THE MARKETABILITY OF THE HOMES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL GOING INTO AREAS, UM, UH, ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR OF, UH, OF THE AUSTIN MSA AND, UM, BUILDING THIS BIGGER HOUSE ON A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LOT. 
          AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT ATTRACTING THAT PARTICULAR BUYER. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS EXECUTIVE HOUSING AND UM, YOU KNOW, ONE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WE JUST DELIVERED IS, UM, IT'S OVER, WELL, IT'S IN LEANDER AND IT'S NEXT TO, UH, A BUNCH OF SMALL HOMES ON 40 FOOT 
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WIDE, UM, LOTS. 
          AND THIS IS VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF, UM, OF THE PRICE POINT ON THOSE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME SERIES. 
          IT'S OUR 50 FOOT WIDE, UM, HOME AND, UH, IT'S EFFECTIVELY A 60 FOOT LOT ON OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          I GUESS FOR ME, COMMENTS, UM, WOULD BE, I, I LIKE THE PRODUCT. 
          I THINK THAT HUDA, YOU KNOW, NEEDS SOME BIGGER HOMES OR AN AREA WHERE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, SAID THAT CAN CUSTOMIZE THEIR HOME. 
          UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GOING UP, UM, YOU DON'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DEVELOPER DOES AND YOU, YOU DON'T GET A CUSTOM HOME. 
          SO, UH, IN THE BIGGER LOTS, OF COURSE, IT'S GREAT. 
          THE, UH, COMMUNITY AREA, I, I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I DO SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS AS COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CLARK ABOUT THE PID FEE AT $2 AND 70 CENTS. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PRODUCTS, I GUESS SOME HAN I GUESS FORMER PRODUCTS IN THE BROOKLYNS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT A PI. 
          AND SO IT'S HARD TO I GUESS COMPARE THAT. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT THE, THOSE HOMES ARE, ARE BIGGER HOMES. 
          THEY KIND OF BACK UP TO THE BRUSH OF CREEK AMPHITHEATER AND THEY'RE NOT NICER BEAUTIFUL HOMES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MIXED IN WITH, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, SMALLER HOMES TOO. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE THE PRODUCT. 
          UM, I GUESS I DO HAVE THE CONCERNS FOR THE PI FEE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO 70 PER 100 VALUE. 
          SO WE, UH, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT BOTH OF YOU HONESTLY, AND, UM, I'VE ACTUALLY FOUND IT, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SIDE, IT'S ALWAYS SURPRISING TO ME. 
          ONE OF OUR, OUR PROJECTS IS ACTUALLY IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY. 
          AND, UM, AND THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE TAX RATE IS, IS VERY LOW. 
          AND WE WERE SELLING HOMES, WE ARE SELLING HOMES THERE KIND OF 900,000, LIKE TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND, UM, IT'S ODD TO ME THAT REALLY THE TAX RATE NEVER COMES UP. 
          UM, IT JUST, IT JUST HASN'T, IT, I THINK IT'S REALLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BUYER AND THEY, THEY TEND TO HAVE A LOT OF DISPOSABLE INCOME AND UM, AND, AND THEY WANT THESE NICE HOUSES AND THEY WANNA BE CLOSER TO EMPLOYMENT AND SERVICES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTED US TO HUDA. 
          GUYS, CAN YOU GO BACK, UH, TO WHERE THE COSTS ARE ALL LAID OUT? AND BY THE WAY, LOVE THE PROJECT. 
          I THINK HOW TO REALLY NEED 60, 70 FOOT LOTS. 
          THEY NEED, THEY DO NEED A, A STEP UP. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE SEVEN 50, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKE EIGHT, NINE A MILLION BECAUSE MY HOUSE ISN'T THAT NICE. 
          AND HERE IN A COUPLE YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE TAXING ME ON A SEVEN 50, BUT, UM, OKAY, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          I I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED BEFORE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TALKED TO SOMEBODY. 
          IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, I HOPE I'M NOT GONNA SURPRISE YOU WITH ANYTHING HERE. 
          SO AS MUCH AS I LIKE IT, THERE'S A HUGE, BUT FOR ME, OKAY, AND, AND THAT IS, AND CITY MANAGER. 
          THIS IS THAT AREA WHERE THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE IT GOT BOMBED, RIGHT? THIS SECTION OF 1 33, YOU GOTTA COME DOWN. 
          AND SO HERE'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT, WELL, I THINK WE NEED THESE, YOU GO SELL 140 HOMES TO SOME HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS ON A ROAD THAT EVERY MERCEDES IS GONNA BOTTOM OUT EVERY LEXUS, EVERY BMW, THEY'RE GONNA BE UPSET. 
          AND WE'RE KIND OF IN A POSITION AS A CITY TO WHERE, IN MY MIND, WE HAVE TO FIX THE ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. 
          AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT ON THIS PROJECT, THERE'S REALLY ALL YOUR IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THEY'RE ALL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP ME AND THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN HUTTO TODAY. 
          AND SO THEN THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE THE DOG PARK AND THEY NEED TO GO GET SOME DOG TREATS AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO CHANGE A TIRE ON THE WAY TO GETTING WHERE THEY GOTTA GO. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GET MAD AT US. 
          AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S SO SMALL OF A PROJECT, A 600,000 BENEFIT FEE, WHILE IT'S 10%. 
          AND THAT'S THE STANDARD THING. 
          IT REALLY DOES NOTHING. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN RESURFACE A ROAD. 
          IT'S SO TORE UP FOR THAT. 
          SO INSTANTLY WE'RE FACED WITH MILLIONS OUT OF POCKET. 
          YOUR PROJECT BRINGS IN 400,000 A YEAR IN AD FORUM TAXES, WHICH WON'T HARDLY PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON ANYTHING OUT THERE. 
          AND SO BY, BY ALMOST BY APPROVING THIS, I THINK WE'RE ALMOST HURTING OURSELVES BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF COMPLAINTS. 
          WE'RE GONNA END UP LOSING MONEY. 
          IF YOU WERE A BUSINESS, YOU WOULD, WE WOULD BE DOING THIS AND THEN WE'D TAKE 400 GRAND IN AND WE'D SPEND LIKE 800 GRAND IN DEBT SERVICE AND WE WIND UP 400,000 A YEAR. 
          POOR FIXING ROADS THAT QUITE FRANKLY RIGHT NOW IT'S A COUNTY ISSUE. 
          NO ONE'S LIVING THERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO HERE BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE NEED IT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S 
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A GREAT DEAL FOR YOU TO GET A LOT OF YOUR IMPROVEMENTS BACK. 
          BUT I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND MAYBE YOU GOTTA WORK WITH ADJACENT LANDOWNERS, WHATEVER YOU GOTTA DO. 
          BUT SOMEHOW DEVELOPERS HAVE GOTTA PAY TO FIX THAT ROAD TO WHERE IT COMES DOWN INTO WHEREVER YOU'RE GONNA NAVIGATE DOWN. 
          AND WHETHER IT BE 1660, WHICH IS JAMMED UP AND NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDING TURN LANES. 
          IF YOU WANNA GO DOWN LIMMER LOOP THAT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED, THEN YOU WANNA COME DOWN TO ED SCHMIDT THAT NEEDS TO BE WIDENED. 
          WE'VE GOT LIKE 40 MILLION IN PROJECTS WE CAN'T AFFORD. 
          AND SO I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE IF IT WAS LIKE 40 FOOT LOTS, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T COMPLAIN AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DISPOSABLE INCOME. 
          THEY'RE NOT AS HIGH NET WORTH. 
          THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE MAYBE NOT AS HIGH. 
          BUT AS YOU SAID, THESE PEOPLE HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME, THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT DRIVING AROUND, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NICER VEHICLES POTENTIALLY. 
          AND ALL THEY'RE GONNA DO IS COMPLAIN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT. 
          SO DON'T NEED TO TONIGHT BECAUSE I, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY OUGHT TO WORK WITH STAFF AND I THINK, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE TAX RATE. 
          THE TAX RATE COULD BE $4. 
          IT, THE MARKET'S A MARKET AND IF YOU MAKE A GOOD ENOUGH HOME AND PEOPLE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS TO GO SPEND ON IT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR TAX BILL. 
          UM, I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR TAX BILL, THE ONES THAT ARE STRUGGLING IN A 300,000 HOMES. 
          SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS GOTTA DO, STRETCH THE THING OUT TO 35 YEARS TO WHERE YOU CAN SELL MORE DEBT AND PROVE MORE ROADS. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO YOU GUYS BEING HERE. 
          AND THE WHOLE POINT, AS I SEE A PIT, IT'S SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND 600 GRAND IS LIKE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING MORE, IT COSTS $750,000 JUST TO DO A STUDY ON WHAT A POLICE STATION SHOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          SO 600 GRAND WON'T EVEN, I MEAN, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY JUST, IT, IT WON'T DO ANYTHING FOR US. 
          SO, UM, I JUST SEE HOW THAT, I HOPE YOU GUYS COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT STAFF SOME WAY TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND GET IT TO WHERE WE'RE NOT FORCED HAVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR ALL THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE, DON'T GO OUT THERE AT NIGHT. 
          I DID A RIDE ALONG AND THAT ROAD, WHEN I SAY IT LOOKED LIKE IT GOT BOMBED, YOU CAN'T GO MORE THAN 15 MILES AN HOUR. 
          AND IT'S ONE LANE. 
          BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME FIXES. 
          IT'S JUST NOT ON US. 
          IT'S ON YOU GUYS, UNFORTUNATELY, THE DEVELOPERS, SO, CORRECT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE WELL AWARE. 
          WE ARE, UM, WELL AWARE OF THAT. 
          AND, UH, SO MY ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT IS ALSO THE, UM, HIS FIRM'S ALSO THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT NORTH AND THE ETJ AND THE COUNTY. 
          AND THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED. 
          THEY'RE ABOUT TO DELIVER LOTS, LIKE, TO YOUR POINT. 
          SO, UM, IT IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED. 
          SO WE TOOK SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS FROM OUR PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AND KIND OF MOVED THEM INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPLASH PAD, WIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAIL, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, TRY TO GET A BETTER TIMELINE ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS OUR INITIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL WAS TO ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THEN I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT'S BEING IMPROVED. 
          UM, WELL, IT'S PLANNED TO BE IMPROVED, RIGHT? WELL, I, I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, FUNDS THAT EARMARKED FOR IT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE ABOUT TO DELIVER LOTS AND THEY'RE, I MEAN, FROM EVERYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMMINENT. 
          SO, SO JUST FOR ME, HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK, HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS IRONED OUT? MM-HMM. 
           SO THAT WE CAN HAVE STUFF WRITTEN DOWN. 
          WE GOT A SPLASH PAD OUT HERE. 
          IT'S BROKE MORE THAN IT'S WORKING AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXCUSE. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THINGS, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A SPLASH PAD FOR THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, I WANNA FIND YOU GUYS IF IT'S NOT WORKING, BECAUSE THEN THE PUBLIC GETS IT DEPENDING ON IT. 
          THAT WAS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. 
          AND THEN IF THE BENEFIT CAN'T BE REALIZED BY THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OUT HERE, I THINK IT'S BEEN BROKE MAYBE MOST OF THE SUMMER. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS ARE DONE. 
          'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF MADE IT HARDER FOR YOU TO DO BUSINESS. 
          'CAUSE GUYS LIKE ME ARE GONNA START PUSHING FOR, YOU KNOW, PENALTIES AND ASSURANCES AND GUARANTEES BECAUSE WE KEEP OTHER GUYS KEEP, UH, I DON'T KNOW, THEY SKIP OUT ON US SOME, BUT, UM, LOVE IT. 
          AND I KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU GUYS AT SELL THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROLOGIS PEOPLE, THE SAMSUNG, ALL THE SUPPLIERS, THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE IN HOMES I'M LIVING IN, THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. 
          THEY WON'T TO ME. 
          THEY WANT WHAT YOU SHOWED. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO CITY MANAGER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT THE DEVELOPER TO THE NORTH, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE CONNECTED TO, WAS, WAS FUNDING THE, THE REDO OF THAT ROAD THAT WAS ALREADY ON THE HOOK, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 2.6 MILLION OKAY. 
          THAT THEY'VE GOT UP FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, AND THERE'S, I MEAN, TO TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, THERE'S IT, IT HAS TO BE IMMINENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA GET ANY TRAFFIC DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE, UM, A FEW TIMES RECENTLY AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, I I, I LOVE THE PRODUCT. 
          I THINK THIS IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I FELT THAT WE'RE MISSING IN HURO. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THE STARTER HOMES. 
          WE HAVE SOME OF THE KIND OF THE MIDDLE MOVE UP HOMES, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT MY FAMILY DID. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, BACK IN OH ONE, IT WAS A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS HOUSE, UM, SMALL LITTLE HOUSE. 
          THEN WE MOVED UP TO A LITTLE BIT 
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BIGGER HOUSE. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE, UM, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, YOU GOT PROLOGIS, YOU GOT SAMSUNG, YOU GOT THESE OTHER EXECUTIVES THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYWHERE TO, TO LIVE IN HURO, THAT THAT KIND OF MEETS WHAT THEY'RE WANTING. 
          AND SO THIS FILLS THAT GAP. 
          SO I LIKE THAT. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, UH, RECEIVING THE FEEDBACK ON, ON SOME OF THE AMENITIES. 
          YOU KNOW, I GET A LOT OF THESE EXECUTIVES, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY PUT POOLS IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SENSE HAVING A, A COMMUNITY POOL WHEN PROBABLY HALF THE LOTS ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN POOLS . 
          SO, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, COMING BACK AND BRING SOME, BRINGING A GOOD PRODUCT. 
          'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH, WITH, UH, WHAT THE MAYOR SAID TOO ON THE, ON THE PIT ASSESSMENT, I MEAN, THESE KIND OF, UH, HOME BUYERS WILL, THEY WON'T EVEN THINK TWICE ABOUT THAT PIT ASSESSMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, BUT, UH, BUT THEY WON'T. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A NON-ISSUE FOR ME. 
          I APPRECIATE THE, THE CHANGES YOU MADE. 
          SO I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS, UM, HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK MENTIONED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE PARKLAND. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL THOUGH, WERE YOU LOOKING TO DEDICATE THAT TO THE CITY OR WERE YOU PLANNING TO MAINTAIN THAT? NO, THEY, THE HOA HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          THE HOA WOULD BE MAINTAINING IT, CORRECT. 
          THEY PROBABLY DEDICATED THE CITY, BUT MAINTAINED BY THE HOA IN ORDER TO KEEP IT ELIGIBLE FOR THE PIT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE NO EXPENSE. 
          SO IF THAT AREA FLOODS AND, AND AMENITIES NEED TO BE REPAIRED, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ON THE HOOK FOR REPAIRS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THE OTHER PART IS ON THE ROADS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, OVER AN OVERPASS AT 1 32 AND, AND 79. 
          AND AS SOON AS WE DO THAT, THEN THE PATH OF 1 32 AND 1 33 ALL THE WAY UP TO CHANDLER IS GONNA BECOME A MAJOR ROAD. 
          AND SO REPAIRING THE EXISTING ROAD, OKAY, THAT'S GREAT TODAY, BUT IT'S NOT FAR DOWN THE ROAD THAT IT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND IT NEEDS TO BE A BIGGER ROAD. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT JUST FIXING WHAT'S THERE VERSUS A BIGGER ROAD. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE CITY STAFF HAS GONE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING LINED UP AND RIGHT AWAY, DEDICATION AND AS MUCH DONE AS WE CAN GET DONE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR RIGHT OF WAY, AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A WHOLE LOT OF CONSTRUCTION STUFF IN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, ON THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY DEDICATING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT EXPANSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOODNIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE ADAM 8.3 
          [8.3. Public Works New Facility (CIP F01-2024) Planning and Programming Update (Rick Coronado)]
PUBLIC WORKS, NEW FACILITY, CIPF ZERO ONE DASH 2 0 24 PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING UPDATE. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CO. 
          UH, COUNCIL, UH, RICK CORONADO, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. 
          UM, TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING A STATUS UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, NEW FACILITY PROGRESS, THE, UH, PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING PHASE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THAT IS, WAS APPROVED THIS YEAR, FISCAL YEAR, UH, 24 TO TONIGHT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE, UH, DALE AUSTIN AND TRISTAN SNYDER WITH THE SUNLAND GROUP. 
          THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE, UH, AN ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION FIRM THAT'S HELPED US OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS TO, UH, GET TO THIS, THIS STATE. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, TWO PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE PROGRESS, AND YOU SHOULD SEE ANOTHER ONE TOWARDS THE END OF SEPTEMBER AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DALE, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CAREFUL . 
          THERE YOU GO, SIR. 
          LISTEN RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS DALE AUSTIN. 
          THIS IS TRISTAN SNYDER. 
          UM, AS RICK SAID, WE ARE WITH THE SUNLAND GROUP, AND, UH, WE ARE THE FIRM THAT WAS, UM, SELECTED TO PROVIDE THE PROGRAMMING AND SITE SELECTION FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN PROGRESS WITH THE PROGRAMMING EFFORT, UH, BUT WE WANTED TO COME IN AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE AND, AND, AND WHERE WE'RE HEADING. 
          SO THE, THE TEAM YOU SEE HERE, UM, THE, THE UPPER PORTION THERE AND THE, IS THE CITY STAFF, THE STAKEHOLDERS, IF YOU WILL, THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS EFFORT. 
          AND THEN THE TEAM BELOW ARE THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THIS EFFORT. 
          SO, UM, AS A COLLECTIVE WHOLE, AS A TEAM, WE ARE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY COLLECTING INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDING NEEDS AND, UM, AND, AND WORKING TOGETHER. 
          SO, SO OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UH, WE COULD GET UP HERE AND TAKE AN HOUR. 
          WE WERE TOLD WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          SO  SURE. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE CONDENSED, CONDENSED, 
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CONDENSED, UH, BUT WE'RE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE BREAKOUT OF THE PRESENTATION WE'RE ABOUT TO GIVE YOU AS FAR AS THE PROCESS DEFINING ISSUES, RESEARCH NEEDS, ASSESSMENTS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO I, I THINK YOU'RE MOST OF, YOU'RE EXPERIENCED IN DEALING WITH CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, AND YOU KNOW THAT THE DESIGN PROCESS IS ONE THAT'S TYPICALLY DONE IN PHASES, UM, ALL THE WAY FROM PROGRAMMING WHERE WE ARE NOW THROUGH CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THE, THE POINT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THE PROGRAMMING PLANNING PHASE. 
          AND THIS, THIS, IN ESSENCE IS THE PHASE AT WHICH WE ARE COLLECTING INFORMATION, UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, AND CONSOLIDATING THAT INTO A, UM, A COHESIVE REPORT, UH, IF YOU WILL, AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE WILL DELIVER TO YOU AS THE PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS WILL BE A, AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL FOR THE DESIGN GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, SO WE BEGAN THE JOURNEY, UM, LATE MARCH. 
          AND IN THAT TIME WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN QUITE ACTIVE. 
          UH, WE'VE, WE'VE CONDUCTED THREE TOURS. 
          WE HAVE TOURED THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS CAMPUS FOR THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK. 
          WE HAVE TOURED THE EXISTING, UH, FACILITY FOR THE CITY OF HU AND OR FOR YOUR EXISTING FACILITY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO TOURED THE SAN MARCOS FACILITY, UH, CAMPUS AS WELL. 
          UH, IN EACH OF THOSE INSTANCES WE AT, AT THE ST. 
          MARCUS ROUND ROCK, WERE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THE, THE, THE STAFF THERE, THE FOLKS THAT RUN IT, THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF IT. 
          WE GOT TO GO AROUND AND CHORE AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE IN OPERATION AND, AND HOW THEY DO DO THINGS. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALSO CONDUCTED THREE DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS. 
          WORKSHOP ONE BEING, UM, MORE OF A GENERAL WORKSHOP, STARTING TO GATHER THE INFORMATION, WORKSHOP TWO BEING A LITTLE MORE DETAILED. 
          AND THE WORKSHOP THREE WAS REALLY A SUMMATION OF, OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GATHERED FROM ALL THE TOURS WE'VE TAKEN, LOOKING AT NEW, THE EXISTING FACILITY, THE TWO WORKSHOPS, ALSO COLLECTING INFORMATION FROM QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WE HAD PREPARED AND DISTRIBUTED TO THE, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO HERE WE'RE, TODAY ON THE 11TH, WE'RE GIVING YOU THIS PRESENTATION WITH THIS UPDATE, UH, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IS A DRAFT REPORT, UH, WILL BE READY BY THE 24TH. 
          UM, WE ARE, WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THAT REPORT DONE. 
          WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE COST ESTIMATING SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND. 
          SO ALL THAT'LL BE TOGETHER AND BE IN THAT DRAFT REPORT. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, UH, ONCE EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, COMMENT ON IT, CORRECTIONS MADE, THEN WE'RE SCHEDULED TO BRING THE FINAL REPORT TO YOU AT THE END OF AUGUST. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE TRISTAN, AND LET HIM TAKE IT TO THE END HERE. 
          HI Y'ALL. 
          UM, SO I GUESS I WANNA START OFF AND JUST, UM, AS WE WERE DIVING INTO THIS ISSUE, UM, WE REALLY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS COMPRISED OF, SO, AND EXIST, WHAT THEIR EXISTING FACILITY CONDITIONS WERE. 
          SO OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THE HU PUBLIC WORKS SPLIT UP? AND IT SPLIT UP INTO THESE SIX DIVISIONS, THE ADMINISTRATION, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS, UTILITIES, STREETS AND DRAINAGE, FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND FLEET MAINTENANCE DIVISIONS. 
          UM, EACH OF THESE PERFORM UNIQUE TASKS TO THE CITY OF HUDU FOR MAINTENANCE AND WHATNOT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE EXISTING FACILITIES WERE FOR THE CITY OF HATO. 
          SO THE CURRENT SITE IS ABOUT A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE, JUST SOUTHEAST OF DOWNTOWN, NEAR THAT NORTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, AND IT'S ALMOST COMPLETELY A HUNDRED PERCENT UTILIZED. 
          SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE STORAGE, YOU HAVE SERVICE EQUIPMENT, PARKING, YOU HAVE EMPLOYEE PARKING, AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE PRIMARY STRUCTURES. 
          SO THE FIRST STRUCTURE IS A PORTABLE OFFICE BUILDING. 
          IT HAS FOUR OFFICES. 
          IT HAS A CREW BREAK ROOM, AND TWO TOILETS. 
          UH, THIS IS THE OFFICE BUILDING. 
          UM, THE SECOND PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS A, UH, MULTI DIVISION MAINTENANCE BUILDING. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE ALL THE FLEET VEHICLES COME IN. 
          IT'S THREE SHARED VEHICLE BASES. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE SHARED WITH THE FLEET MAINTENANCE DIVISION, THE STREETS DIVISION, UTILITIES DIVISION, AND THEN THERE'S STORAGE IN THERE FOR FACILITY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO, UM, ALL IN ALL THE SPACES, IT'S CONSTRAINED. 
          UM, YOU HAVE STORAGE IN THERE, YOU HAVE LOCKER ROOMS, YOU HAVE A RESTROOM, AND THEN THE SCADA SLASH CREW REPORTING ROOM. 
          THERE'S THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THEN HERE'S, UH, SOME INTERIOR SHOTS. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME MULTI USES GOING ON, WHICH CAN SOMETIMES LEAD TO 
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INEFFICIENCIES, UM, AND CAUSE BOTTLENECKS IN, IN THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE OF, OF, OF HU. 
          UM, THEN LOOKING AT THE EXISTING KIND OF LOT AREA, UM, THE PREDOMINANT USE IS EQUIPMENT AND SERVICE VEHICLE STORAGE. 
          UH, SO HERE THE PHOTO IS ACTUALLY TAKEN AT A TIME OF THE DAY, WHERE IS THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. 
          SO ALL THE VEHICLES ARE PRETTY MUCH OUT IN THE FIELD DOING SERVICE WORK. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE CONSTRAINED, UH, WHEN IN THE MORNINGS AND THE AFTERNOONS WHEN ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MOVING AROUND ON SITE. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE THIRD STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT'S JUST A COVERED CANOPY FOR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT PARKING. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME STORAGE, UH, BUILDINGS AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL STORAGE IN THE BACK THERE. 
          SO TO SUMMARIZE, THE EXISTING FACILITY, UM, IT'S, UH, PRETTY CONSTRAINED. 
          UM, IT'S ALMOST AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, CAPACITY ON THE SITE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INEFFICIENCIES INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE BUILDING THAT ARE, ARE NOT VERY CONDUCIVE TO, UH, FULFILLING THE CURRENT CITY NEEDS, LET ALONE THE, LIKE, EXPONENTIAL GROWTH THAT WE ARE SEEING. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, SPEAKING OF GROWTH, UH, THAT BRINGS US TO LIKE OUR RESEARCH, UH, PHASE, WHICH WAS OUR NEXT TASK. 
          SO AS, AS WE ARE, WE UNDERSTOOD THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, WE WANTED TO DIVE INTO THE POPULATION, THE GROWTH, UM, STAFF PROJECTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, ALSO LOOK AT THOSE FACILITIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, AS Y'ALL EXPERIENCE, UM, SINCE 2000, THERE'S BEEN ALMOST EXPONENTIAL GROWTH, UH, IN THE CITY, UM, WITH THE CURRENT POPULATION, APPROXIMATELY 40,000 PEOPLE IN 2024. 
          AND THE CITY OF HUDA PROJECTING 65,000 PEOPLE BY 2030. 
          I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT PLENTY. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT POPULATION GROWTH, THERE'S ALSO AN INCREASE IN PROJECTED STAFFING FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          SO CURRENTLY THAT FACILITY THAT YOU LOOKED AT, AS WELL AS THERE'S A, A COUPLE OF LEADERSHIP OFFICES HERE IN CITY HALL. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THAT STAFFING IS 48 PEOPLE. 
          SO IN THE NEXT SIX YEARS, IT'S EXPECTED TO ALMOST DOUBLE THE STAFFING, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDING THAT FACILITY AND USING THAT FACILITY. 
          UM, SO BASED ON THOSE POPULATION NUMBERS AND THAT STAFFING, WE START TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE PICKED SAN MARCOS AND ROUND ROCK AS OUR COMPARISON CITIES. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT ARE NEIGHBORING TO HUDU. 
          UM, BUT OUR MAIN GOAL WAS TO LOOK AT THE 20 30, 20 27, 20 30 DATE, UM, TO FIND A CITY THAT HAD A MATCHING POPULATION TO THAT. 
          UM, AS WELL AS TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO THE STAFFING NUMBERS, UM, AND THE, FOR A SHORT-TERM GOAL. 
          AND THEN FOR A LONG-TERM GOAL, LOOKING AT THE, UH, CITY'S POPULATION IN 2047. 
          SO HUDU IN 2047 USING THE GROWTH PROJECTION, UM, IS ABOUT 135,000 PEOPLE. 
          SO BASED ON THOSE POPULATION NUMBERS, SAN MARCOS CAME OUT AS THE, UH, SHORT TERM CLOSEST, UM, UH, FACILITY, UH, WITH SAN MARCOS IN 2020, HAVING 67,000 PEOPLE. 
          UH, AND THEIR FACILITY'S ONLY THREE YEARS OLD. 
          SO IT'S A PRETTY NEW AND, AND GOOD COMPARISON TO HAVE. 
          UH, AND THEN FOR OUR LONG-TERM GOALPOSTS, UH, WAY IN THE DISTANCE, UH, ROUND ROCK WITH A POPULATION CURRENTLY OF 120,000 PEOPLE, UM, WHICH THEIR FACILITY RANGES IN AGE. 
          UH, SO THAT IS KIND OF GETTING CLOSE TO HU'S 2047 GOALPOST. 
          SO LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT SAN MARCOS, UH, WE TOOK SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES, AS YOU CAN SEE, SITE, AREA, TOTAL BUILDING AREA, VEHICLE AREA, AND WE COMPARED THEM DIRECTLY WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO ALMOST IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE CATEGORIES. 
          IN FACT, I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, UH, HUDU IS DEFICIENT COMPARED TO SAN MARCOS, WHICH THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME STILL, SO IT MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE. 
          HOWEVER, THE AMOUNT THAT IT IS DEFICIENT BY IS PRETTY EXTREME. 
          JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, SITE AREA AND TOTAL BUILDING AREA, THERE'S ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING AREA THAT THE CURRENT HU PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS LACKING. 
          SO WE TOURED THE SITE, UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SAN MARCOS IS A, IS A CONSOLIDATED FACILITY, UH, WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS FOR THE DIVISIONS, UH, LOCATED ON A 20 ACRE SITE. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, UH, PRETTY PACKED, UH, ON THERE ON IN SAN MARCOS. 
          UM, IT CONTAINS AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, A CREW, BUILDING A MAINTENANCE BUILDING, A WAREHOUSE BUILDING, UH, AND SEVERAL OTHER, UH, SITE STRUCTURES. 
          I DIDN'T PUT THEM ALL UP THERE 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE, UM, REALLY DIFFICULT. 
          UM, ANYWAY, 
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THEN WE, SO THAT WAS THE SHORT TERM. 
          SO JUMPING TO THE LONG TERM, WE WENT TO, OR WE LOOKED AT ROUND ROCK AS A DIRECT COMPARISON, AGAIN, SEEING THE SAME DEFICIENCIES, BUT OUR REAL PURPOSE FOR LOOKING AT ROUND ROCK WAS LOOKING AT THE SITE AREA. 
          SO PLANNING EARLY FOR THE LAND THAT YOU WILL NEED LATER IN, IN, IN THE FACILITY'S LIFE CYCLE, UM, WAS PARAMOUNT TO THIS SITE VISIT. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WENT TO ROUND ROCK, UH, AND IT HAD A SIMILAR COMPOSITION TO SAN MARCOS WITH A CONSOLIDATED FACILITY, UH, WHERE THERE WAS MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON A SINGLE SITE, UH, C KIND OF CENTRALLY LOCATED. 
          THIS ROUND ROCK WAS A 39 ACRE SITE. 
          UM, IT CONTAINED SEVERAL DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT WERE DIVISION SPECIFIC. 
          UM, THERE'S THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, UH, AND THEN THIS WAS A UTILITIES AND TRANSPORTATION BUILDING, SOME INTERIORS, A WAREHOUSE BUILDING, UH, THE OLDER FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING THAT YOU JUST SAW. 
          AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS AS WELL AS THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER STRUCTURES, I MEAN THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE. 
          BUT ALL OF THIS WAS IN, UH, IN SERVICE TO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY OF ROUND ROCK HAS ENOUGH LAND FOR CONTINUED EXPANSION, UH, AS WELL AS THEY HAD ENOUGH LAND TO CREATE A CONSOLIDATED FACILITY THAT SUITS 120,000 PEOPLE. 
          UM, WHEREAS COMPARED TO SAN MARCOS, UM, THEIR POPULATION AGAIN IS AROUND 67,000, UH, OR WAS IN 2020. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THEIR SITE IS ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, BUILT UP, UM, WITH VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR EXPANSION. 
          SO THEY WOULD EITHER NEED TO, UH, UM, ACQUIRE MORE LAND OR BUILD VERTICALLY, UM, UH, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND LAND AWAY FROM THEIR SITE AND DO A SEPARATED FACILITY. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, LOOKING BACK AT HUDU, UH, A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE, WHICH IS ABOUT A FIFTH OF WHAT SAN MARCOS, UH, CURRENTLY UTILIZES. 
          AND ABOUT A 10TH OF WHAT ROUND ROCK CURRENTLY UTILIZES. 
          SO KIND OF GOING BACK, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A LACK OF LAND, IT'S A LACK OF SPACE. 
          UM, AGAIN, AS I WAS SAYING, THERE'S A BUILDING DEFICIENCIES AND AREAS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM, FROM THE HU PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS SAYS THE, IN THE TOP RIGHT IS A TOILET, UM, A RESTROOM WITH A SHOWER, UH, IN, AND IT'S THE ONLY TOILET AND SHOWER IN THAT, UH, MAINTENANCE BUILDING. 
          UH, AND THEN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS THE THREE VEHICLE BAYS WITH ALL THE STORAGE AND, UM, NECESSARY THINGS, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          AND, UH, AND, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST INEFFICIENT AND NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM AND AS WELL, A LACK OF VEHICLE AREA. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN, AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THE, THE SITE IS CONSTRAINED. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR GROWTH. 
          UH, SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, AN ISSUE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POPUL OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POPULATION GROWTH AND WE TALK ABOUT STAFFING INCREASES, YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT VEHICLE NUMBER INCREASES. 
          SO NEEDING MORE VEHICLES TO SERVICE MORE POPULATION AND MORE STAFF TO USE 'EM. 
          SO BASED ON THAT RESEARCH, UH, WE WENT INTO OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, PORTION WHERE WE SORT OF CATALOGED THE USES AND BUILDINGS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE GATHERED OVER OUR WORKSHOPS, THESE SITE VISITS, THE RESEARCH CONVERSATIONS WITH CREW MEMBERS AND LEADERSHIP. 
          UM, AND WE CREATED THIS LIST OF SPACES. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE LISTED FOUR BUILDINGS, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES, UH, AND ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, FOR, UH, A, A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. 
          UM, BREAKING THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THIS IS KIND OF A TIMELINE, UM, CHART. 
          UH, SO IN THE FAR LEFT CORNER IS THE CATEGORY. 
          SO YOU HAVE TOTAL BUILDING AREA, TOTAL STRUCTURE AREA. 
          THEN MOVING OVER TO THE SECOND COLUMN, IT IS THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION, OUR 2027 YEAR LOOKING AT KIND OF A SAN MARCOS TIME. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSED BUILDING PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, A BUILDING AREA, ABOUT 93,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A TOTAL FOOTPRINT OF ABOUT 515,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN ALL THE WAY OUT, UM, 2037 WOULD BE AN ADDITION SLASH RENOVATION TO SOME OF THESE SPACES. 
          AND THEN 2047 WOULD BE THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION TO FULLY BUILD OUT, UH, THE FACILITY. 
          SO IN THE VERY END, 2047 TOTAL BUILD OUT FOOTPRINT, ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A MILLION SQUARE FOOT, UH, OF AREA, WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE OPEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPING AREA. 
          UM, SO BREAKING THAT OR DIVING INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE PROGRAMS IDENTIFIED. 
          THIS IS LIKE YOUR OFFICES FOR LEADERSHIP, UH, CONSTRUCTION 
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INSPECTIONS, OPEN OFFICES, UH, AND BREAK ROOMS. UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF AROUND 16,000 SQUARE FOOT AND ABOUT, UH, A TOTAL FINAL BUILD OUT AT THE BOTTOM THERE OF ABOUT 26,400 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE CREW BUILDING ANOTHER ONE OF THE USES, THIS IS WHERE THE LOCKER ROOMS, THE LARGE, UH, MEETING HALL SLASH TRAINING ROOMS, UM, CONFERENCE ROOMS, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS CENTER FOR EMERGENCIES, AS WELL AS OTHER PRIVATE OFFICES FOR, UH, CREW MEMBERS. 
          UM, BUT I HAVE AN INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF AROUND 31,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A FINAL BUILD OUT OF 47,000, UM, MAINTENANCE BUILDING. 
          THIS IS AGAIN THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, UH, AND USES THAT YOU SAW KIND OF WHILE WHAT'S TAKING PLACE ON THE CURRENT PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S LARGER. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE 33,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, THIS IS ALL THE WORKSHOPS VEHICLE BASE FOR FLEET MAINTENANCE AND THE DIVISION SPECIFIC USES. 
          UH, AND THAT WOULD, UM, HAVE A FINAL BUILD OUT IN 2047 TO 66,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEN THE WAREHOUSE ABOUT 12,500 SQUARE FEET AND 5,000 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL THE STORAGE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS OTHER SITE STRUCTURES. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL OF THESE, UM, BUT THEY'RE THERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM. 
          UH, BUT ALL IN ALL, IT COMES OUT TO ABOUT A RECOMMENDED SITE AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 38 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE LAND. 
          I, SO NOW TALKING ABOUT SITE, WE REALLY WANTED TO, UH, THINK ABOUT WHAT THE CITY OF HUDU NEEDS TO, WHAT WE, WHAT IS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN LOOKING FOR A SITE IN THE CITY OF HUDU. 
          SO TALKING ABOUT UTILITY ACCESS, UM, DOES IT HAVE IT OR DOES IT NOT? HOW FAR AWAY? UM, TALKING ABOUT FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WHAT IS PLANNED AT THE CITY LEVEL, WHAT'S PLANNED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, UH, TALKING ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND ZONING PLANS. 
          SO ALL THE MASTER PLANNING FOR ZONING, UH, AS WELL AS FUTURE AMENITIES, LIKE WHAT'S THERE, NEW PARKS GOING BY IT, YOU KNOW, NEW TRAILS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY A NEW POSSIBLE LAND. 
          AND AS WELL AS POSSIBLE CO-LOCATION OF OTHER PLANNED CITY FACILITIES ON ONE SITE. 
          AND SO FROM THAT, WE KIND OF CREATED A THEORETICAL SITE, UM, WHICH WAS A 46 ACRE SITE THAT WOULD FULLY, UH, ALLOW FOR THE 2047 FINAL BUILD OUT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THE MINIMUM RECOMMENDED FOR A 2047 DEVELOPMENT WOULD LI WOULD BE 38 ACRES. 
          UH, AND THE REASON I KEEP SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SITES THAT ARE IN HATO AND AVAILABLE, UH, THEY HAVE A LARGE FLOODPLAIN ISSUES, THEY HAVE EASEMENT ISSUES, UM, OR THEY HAVE LARGE SETBACKS, UM, OR THEY HAVE RIGHT OF AWAYS THAT ARE ABOUT TO CUT THEM IN APART. 
          SO JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT FINAL BUILD OUT, IT WOULD BE A LARGER, PROBABLY SITE THAN 38 ACRES. 
          ANYWAY, THAT'S AS CONDENSED AND SUMMARIZED AS I THINK WE COULD BE. 
          UM, OUR NEXT STEPS, UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR COST ESTIMATION, THE DRAFT REPORT AS DALE SAID, AND THE FINAL REPORT ON AUGUST 22ND. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? NO, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED CONFERENCE ROOMS IN EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, UM, ESPECIALLY THE WAREHOUSE. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT THAT ON BUILD OUT. 
          LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE NOT, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, ROUND ROCK IS EXISTING AT 84,000 SQUARE FEET TODAY AT 120,000 POPULATION. 
          AND YOU'RE SAYING OUR INITIAL BUILD OUT SHOULD BE MORE THAN THEM. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, QUESTION THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, THEY ARE SUCCEEDING AT THAT BUILD OUT LEVEL WITH A MUCH LARGER POPULATION, A MUCH LARGER REVENUE STREAM THAT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW, WE'LL, I MEAN, I'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE COST ASSESSMENTS, BUT AT THIS TIME I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S NICE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FEASIBLE IN A TIMEFRAME THAT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED. 
          WELL, IT, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT WHILE WE DID COMPARISONS, THESE TWO FACILITIES, THEY ARE ALL STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO THAT FACILITY LOOKED AT, AT ROUND ROCK HAS ONLY HAD CERTAIN DIVISIONS THERE. 
          THEY STILL HAVE OTHER FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT, THAT HOUSE SOME OF THEIR OTHER DIVISIONS, AND WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THIS. 
          AND THEN THE SAME WITH SAN MARCOS, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT DIVISIONAL FORMAT AND THEY ALSO HAD OTHER FACILITIES THAT STILL HAS SOME OTHER DIVISIONS. 
          SO, UM, TH THIS SITE AND THE, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, 
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THE PROGRAM WAS REALLY SPECIFIC TO HUDU, THE DIVISIONS YOU HAVE AND THE CO-LOCATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS MAY LOOK A LITTLE OFF, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU CAN ANSWER 'EM, GREAT. 
          IF NOT, RICK MAY KNOW THESE, UH, THE INFORMATION HERE. 
          BUT, UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ACREAGE OF THIS, THE, THE LOT RIGHT THERE BY THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THEY'RE CURRENT, WHERE THEY'RE CUR CURRENTLY OPERATING? WHAT'S THE ACREAGE ON THAT? I THINK IT WAS 4.55 ACRES AND, AND SOMETHING WE DIDN'T MENTION, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING OVERUTILIZED RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO GO PARK ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LOT AND WALK OVER TO THIS FACILITY. 
          IT, IT REALLY IS OVERUTILIZED. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY ACRES IS THE LOT, UH, OF THE LAND ON THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A HUGE PIECE OF LAND AND OF COURSE WE'RE GO UNDERGOING THE EXPANSION, SO THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA EXPAND THERE. 
          BUT I GUESS THE TOTAL LOT THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THAT SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHAT'S THE ACREAGE ON THAT? I BELIEVE THE RICK CORONADO PUBLIC HORSE DIRECTOR, UH, THAT'S JUST OVER A HUNDRED ACRES, BUT UH, A LOT OF IT IS, UM, KIND OF SLATED AND PLANNED FOR ADDITIONAL EXPANSIONS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE TOOK ABOUT, TOOK, TOOK A LOOK AT WAS SOME OF THE EXISTING SITES THAT WE HAVE. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT ONE WAS KIND OF SLATED FOR DIFFERENT EXPANSIONS. 
          AND I GUESS WITH OUR EXPANSION THAT WE'RE UNDERGOING NOW, HOW MUCH AIR, LIKE HOW MANY ACRES WOULD THAT TAKE TAKE UP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA EXPAND MORE, BUT I GUESS WHAT, WITH THE EXPANSION STARTING, HOW MUCH IS, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY ACRES IS IT GONNA TAKE ABOVE THAT 100 ACRES? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 20 TO 30 ACRE, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE'RE ONLY A FIFTH USE UTILIZING A FIFTH OF THAT AREA. 
          AND KIND OF SOME, SOME OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ALSO IS SOME OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN AND SO NOT ALL OF IT IS DEVELOPABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUT UM, I CAN SEE IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE SUPER, THE FAR SOUTH SIDE. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, SO ON YOUR PROPOSAL YOU HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM 38 ACRES, THAT'S TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS IT IS. 
          SO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, OUR FOUR AND A HALF ACRES WE HAVE EVERYBODY'S OUT THERE, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT ANIMAL CONTROL EVEN OUT THERE. 
          UM, IS THAT 38 ACRES IS STILL KEEPING THAT SAME CONCEPT OF EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME SITE. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ANIMAL CONTROL WILL BE AT THE NEW FACILITY. 
          UH, BUT AS FAR AS ALL THE, THE DIVISIONS THAT WE COVERED AT THE FIRST OF THE PRESENTATION, THE INTENTIONS FOR THOSE DIVISIONS TO BE THERE STILL. 
          CORRECT. 
          FOR ROUND ROCK OR FOR, YEAH, FOR ROUND ROCK AND SAN MARCO. 
          IS THAT THE CASE FOR THEM? ARE ARE, ARE WE EQUIVALENT IN WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SITE FOR OUR 38 ACRES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE OTHER, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT, THAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN OUR 38 THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN THEIR 38? 'CAUSE YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THEIR SITES, UH, OR THEIR SITES DIDN'T HAVE WHAT WE HAD. 
          ARE WE TRYING TO, ARE WE TRYING TO KEEP THE SAME MODEL OR ARE WE TRYING TO UM, I GUESS EXPAND AND IF WE REALLY WANNA BE LIKE ROUND ROCKER SAN MARCUS, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO SEE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET 20 ACRES OVER HERE AND STILL USE THIS FOUR AND A HALF KIND OF DEAL. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY MIND AROUND WHAT YOUR 30 ACRES, UM, WHAT IT'S, UH, KEEPING KEEPING ON SITE, I GUESS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO. 
          I KINDA GOT LOST A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT, UM, SAME ,  OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I, I DON'T RECALL. 
          I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR MEETING MINUTES AS FAR AS WHAT DIFFERENT DIVISIONS THEY HAVE THERE VERSUS ELSEWHERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE SITES AND A PART OF THAT 30 ACRE SITE IS, 'CAUSE IT IS SPREAD OUT. 
          THEY HAVE FACILITIES HERE THAT ARE NEW, THEN THEY HAVE SOME OLDER ONES. 
          AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, OF BUYING THE LAND RIGHT NEXT TO 'EM. 
          AND THEN THEY INTEND TO EXPAND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE, THE BUILDING TO TAKE OVER THE USES THAT ARE ON THE BACK. 
          AND THEN THAT WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND THEN REPURPOSED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND THEN VICE VERSA, THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OTHER FACILITY UP THERE. 
          SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS OF DEMOLISHING THE OLD STRUCTURES. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE SAW ON THE SLIDE, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM SIX YEARS TO 40 YEARS OLD ON THE STRUCTURES THEY HAVE IN THAT WHOLE CAMPUS. 
          SO THEY DO INTEND TO CONSOLIDATE DOWN TO ALL NEW FACILITIES AT SOME POINT. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THEIR DIVISIONS, THAT THAT REALLY IS GONNA COME DOWN TO YOUR NEEDS AND YOUR USES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIVISIONS YOU HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GROW, WHO 
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KNOWS YOU MIGHT HAVE FUTURE DIVISIONS AND WHETHER THOSE ARE CO-LOCATED WITH YOU OR AT A DIFFERENT SITE. 
          I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD'VE TO BE DECIDED AT THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOTTA BE 38 ACRES OR IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UH, DEPENDING ON, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NEW HERE, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE AROUND THE CITY FOR A SMALLER LOCATION IF WE CAN USE, UH, TWO OR THREE SMALLER LOCATIONS TO ACHIEVE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THE SAME GOAL. 
          ARE WE TRYING TO THROW IT ALL ON 38 ACRES? YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE NEEDS AND THIS IS WHAT WOULD MOST COMFORTABLY FIT AND GET YOU INTO 2047 SO THAT YOU AREN'T LACKING. 
          HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DESIGN, YOU MAY GO OUT AND YOU MAY FIND A 30 ACRE SITE AND YOU JUST SAY, HEY, THAT'S IT. 
          WELL THEN WE'VE GOT TO, AS WHEN WE HIT THE DESIGN PART OF IT, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO STORY BUILDINGS AT THAT POINT, MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT CONSOLIDATIONS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRAM AND YOUR NEEDS AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE A A, A CONSTRAINT LIKE A SITE SIZE, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO WORK AROUND THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD TACKLE AND DESIGN AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, STANDING HERE TODAY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS GET 38 ACRES OF DEVELOPABLE LAND AND FROM WHAT WE KNOW TODAY THAT THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF YOU TO 2047. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A, LIKE A BUILD OUT PLAN, LIKE KIND OF GOING TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD'S SAYING LIKE 38 ACRES, RIGHT? BUT DID THESE CITIES, LIKE WAS THERE PROGRESSION STEPS THAT THEY TOOK TO PURCHASE LAND THEN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE FACILITIES THERE AND HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE THE KIND OF THE REMEDIES TO DOING TO TO GOING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING SOME SORT OF, OF OF, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE TRANSITION PERIOD RIGHT? TO GETTING TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW? YEAH, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD SOME EXISTING FACILITIES. 
          I KNOW THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT ROUND ROCK BOUGHT FOR EXAMPLE, WAS RIGHT THERE ON SUNRISE. 
          THEY, THEY BUILT THAT NEW FACILITY THERE AND SO THEN THEY LOCATED TO THAT FROM OTHER FACILITIES. 
          ONCE THEY BUILT THAT AND THE SAME AS SAN MARCOS, THEY, THEY PURCHASED A RURAL SITE THAT WAS UNDEVELOPED AND, AND BUILT THAT WHOLE COMPLEX AND CAMPUS AND THEN, AND THEN BROUGHT PEOPLE OVER. 
          AND SO, SO THIS DIAGRAM UP HERE, WE WERE KIND OF GOING THROUGH IT FAST, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU FOLLOW THE COLOR COATING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU IS ON A, THE THEORETICAL 46 ACRE SITE. 
          AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAME UP THEORETICALLY AND UH, BUT WE'RE SHOWING YOU HOW THOSE EXPANSIONS WOULD WORK WITH THE COLOR CODES. 
          SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE PLAN FOR EXPANSION OF EACH FACILITY AND LAY DOWN YARDS AND PARKING AND FUTURE DETENTION PONDS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. 
          UM, AND THEN KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, LET'S GO BACK TO, YOU HAD A ROUND RIGHT HERE. 
          SO ON THE, ON THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT'S THE NEWEST, THAT'S THE 6-YEAR-OLD PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND THEY COME DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM AND, AND, AND THE, THESE TWO FACILITIES, THE, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND THEN THE, THE MATERIALS AND LAY DOWN YARD ACROSS THE STREET, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MUCH OLDER FACILITIES. 
          SO THEY, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO THE NEW ONE THAT THEY BUILT SIX YEARS AGO, THEY ARE ABOUT TO START AN EXPANSION ON THAT ALREADY. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING WE HEARD FROM ROUND ROCK AND WE ALSO HEARD THAT FROM SAN MARCOS. 
          THEY BOTH SAID IMMEDIATELY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THOUGHT WE PLANNED FOR GROWTH AND HERE WE ARE SIX YEARS LATER, WE NEED TO ADD ON, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE FILLED IT UP IN NO TIME AT ALL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE, WE KEPT HEARING THAT STORY OVER AND OVER. 
          SO THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT ON THAT MAIN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. 
          AND AS I SAID, THESE BUILDINGS DOWN HERE TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM, THEY ARE GONNA EVENTUALLY BUILD NEW FACILITIES AND THEN TAKE THOSE OUT OF COM, DECOMMISSION 'EM AND USE 'EM FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          MAYOR PROTON, I'VE NEVER BEEN OUT TO OUR CURRENT HUDDLE SITE. 
          I'VE NEVER GONE OUT THERE. 
          I WAS UH, UH, PRETTY SURPRISED HOW CRAMPED EVERYTHING WAS THERE. 
          I MEAN, I CAN REALLY SEE HOW WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM EVERYTHING IN A FOUR, WHAT IS IT, FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE THAT WE'VE GOT THERE. 
          SO DEFINITE NEED FOR EXPANSION. 
          UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE SITE WHERE YOU CAN CO-LOCATE EVERYTHING AND THEN JUST GROW AS YOU NEED. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA BE THE CHALLENGE IS FINDING THAT SITE AND FINDING A SITE THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO, TO PURCHASE AS A CITY AND THEN, UM, SIT ON IT AND, AND THEN GROW OVER TIME. 
          THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE. 
          AND FINDING A CONVENIENT SITE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY THAT THE, THE WORKERS CAN GET TO DEFINITELY NEEDED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, 
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THIS IS ONE OF OUR FIRST, UM, STUDIES, IF YOU WILL. 
          CAN YOU GUYS REMIND ME HOW MUCH IS THE STUDY, THIS, THIS WHOLE PROCESS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST IN THIS PROCESS FOR OUT THE FEE THAT WE'VE DONE? MM-HMM. 
          , UH, DON'T HOLD ME TO THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 1 55 OR SOMETHING LIKE ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          ONE 50. 
          SO THIS IS 1 55 HERE, RIGHT? THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS IT, IT SEEMS LIKE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAY THIS. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO DIMINISH YOUR GUYS' WORK. 
          OKAY? BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DID AND WE SAY, WELL THEN HOW DOES IT GOTTA BE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? AND I WOULD THINK FOR LIKE $155,000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OPTIONS. 
          FOR INSTANCE, COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAD IS DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL FOUR BILLIONS ON THE SAME POT OF LAND? CAN, LIKE IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT SITE PLAN ONE, UM, SO I REMEMBER WHAT THE DIFFERENT, UH, WHICH ONE, WHATEVER THIS THEORETICAL PLAN, COUPLE MORE. 
          ALRIGHT, LIKE RIGHT THERE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE THE WAREHOUSE, LIKE HOW BIG IS A WAREHOUSE AND SUPPORTING PEOPLE AND OFFICES, WHATEVER IT NEED TO BE. 
          IS THAT A FOUR ACRE? IS THAT A 10? BECAUSE 38 ACRES IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE IN MY MIND. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I THINK THE CITY'S ONLY LIKE EIGHT SQUARE MILES, RIGHT? AM I WRONG OR IS IT BIGGER? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT IS SOMEONE ON STAFF? WHAT ARE WE EIGHT, NINE SQUARE MILES? WE'RE NOT THE SIZE OF ROUND ROCK OR GEORGETOWN, RIGHT? AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GOING TO IS, DOES THE WAREHOUSE HAVE TO BE NEXT TO THE MAINTENANCE SHED AND DOES THE ADMIN HAVE TO BE NEXT TO THE WAREHOUSE? AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN I QUESTION WHY IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY. 
          BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A FIVE ACRE SPOT OVER HERE, A 10 ACRE SPOT OVER HERE, A LAY DOWN YARD NEEDS TO BE, SO TO ME FOR 155 GRAND, WE OUGHT TO KNOW HOW BIG THE LAY DOWN YARD DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST A SQUARE AND WE DON'T HAVE SQUARES. 
          WE, WE GOTTA SPLIT THIS UP MAYBE AND WE OUGHT TO HAVE OPTIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK IS GIVE US SOME OPTIONS. 
          AND THEN YOU SAID YOU DON'T KNOW THE COST OF THIS, BUT IF YOU ASK ANYBODY WHO BUILDS APARTMENTS AND THEY SAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD A 400 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY CAN GIVE YOU ROUGH MATH ON WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU ROUGH MATH ON THAT. 
          AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SHOPPING FOR A HOUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING PRICES YET. 
          SO WE GET ALL EXCITED. 
          STAFF MEMBERS GET EXCITED, LOOK WHAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET THIS. 
          AND THEN SOMEONE'S GOTTA BE THE JERK. 
          AND IT'S ALWAYS THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE A JERK TO GO, WELL GUYS, WE CAN'T DO $65 MILLION, SO WHAT CAN WE DO FOR 10? AND SO TO ME, YOU GUYS NEED TO BREAK THIS UP. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE IMMEDIATE PRESSING NEED PERSONALLY ADMIN BUILDINGS LIKE THE LEAST IMPORTANT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY GET PAID THE MOST. 
          SO WHAT HELPS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE WORK, AND, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG ON THAT, BUT WHAT'S OUR MOST PRESSING NEED? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO JUST GO IN AND KNOCK OUT, YOU KNOW, 75% OF WHAT YOU PROPOSE HERE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS. 
          BECAUSE IF THEY'RE ON A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE NOW AND WE GO BUY 38 ACRES, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE FOUR AND A HALF? I MEAN, COULD THAT NOT BE AN ADMIN AND REDO THE ADMIN BUILDING THERE AND BUILD THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THESE ARE JUST THINGS I'M THROWING OUT THAT I'M LIKE, WHEN WE'RE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY ON THESE PLANS, I'M HOPING UM, TO SEE THAT YOU MENTIONED SOMEONE'S BUYING LAND. 
          WHO'S LOOKING AT BUYING LAND FOR THE CITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU SAID, YOU SAID THEY ARE LOOKING AT BUYING LAND. 
          WHO IS THEY? IS THAT US? THAT'S YOU? YES. 
          THAT'S A SHOCK TO ME 'CAUSE NO ONE'S EVER ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEA FOR NEXT YEAR IS OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE BROUGHT TO YOU. 
          BUT SO, SO WE, WE, WE DID GO LOOK AT AVAILABLE SITES AND YOU'RE QUITE CORRECT. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE LONG AND LINEAR AND OTHERS HAVE LITTLE CROOKS IN 'EM. 
          SOME HAVE FLOODPLAINS ALL THROUGH 'EM. 
          AND IN FACT, I THINK THE PRESENTATION BEFORE US, WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT SITE. 
          SO YOU KNOW, WE SAID, UH OH, THERE, THERE'S ONE GONE. 
          UM, SO AS A PART OF OUR, OUR, OUR PROCESS WE DO OF, OF OUR SERVICES, WE ARE ON TAP TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THREE SPECIALIZED SITE ANALYSIS. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE SITES, UH, SELECTED AND IDENTIFIED FIRST. 
          AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF GIVING YOU A THEORETICAL SITE, WE'LL SIT DOWN AND GIVE YOU, THIS IS WHAT THIS SITE CAN DO. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD FOUR OPTIONS. 
          HERE'S A 38 ACRE OPTION. 
          HERE'S HOW YOU DO 140,000 PEOPLE IN YOUR CITY, BUT YOUR MAINTENANCE IS IN A DIFFERENT AREA. 
          YOUR LAY DOWN YARD IS IN A DIFFERENT AREA. 
          AND I GET IT, PEOPLE GOTTA DRIVE. 
          MAYBE THEY'RE MEET IN THE ADMIN BUILDING AND THEN THEY GOTTA GO TO THE WAREHOUSE, BUT WE'RE EIGHT SQUARE MILES I THINK ROUGHLY OR NINE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE DRIVING FROM ONE SIDE OF TOWN LIKE IN AUSTIN TO THE OTHER. 
          IT'S NOT A 45 MINUTE DRIVE. 
          SO FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT, I'D HATE TO GO OUT AND SPEND AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, 
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$10 MILLION ON LAND JUST SO SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE FIVE MINUTES TO GO GET PARTS AND HAVE A MEETING. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE ALL THE CONFERENCE ROOMS BECAUSE THE MORE CONFERENCE ROOMS YOU BUILD, THE MORE TIME PEOPLE SPEND IN THEM. 
          NOT ALWAYS BEING PEOPLE LIKE TO MEET. 
          AND THEN THE MORE YOU MEET, THE MORE PEOPLE YOU NEED BECAUSE YOU GOTTA GET THE WORK DONE AND PEOPLE ARE MEETING, THEN YOU GOTTA HIRE BOSSES. 
          WHICH GETS TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I KIND OF JUMPED AROUND YOU ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES. 
          YOU'RE SAYING, WELL BASED ON POPULATION YOU GET SO MANY FTES. 
          WHAT TRIGGERS THE HIRING OF MORE PEOPLE BASED ON POPULATION? LIKE IF, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR POPULATION DOUBLED IN TWO YEARS, WHY WOULD WE NEED TO DOUBLE OUR EMPLOYEE COUNT? THAT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          NO, . 
          I THINK, UM, UH, PART OF THE EXERCISE WAS TO IDENTIFY SERVICES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE RELATED TO SERVICES, MEANING SERVICES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TODAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE DIFFERENT, LIKE I'LL JUST TAKE AN EXAMPLE. 
          UH, AS WE KIND OF CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF, OF UH, 50,000 POPULATION, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT UH, INCLUDE, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL OR TRAFFIC LIGHTING, UM, SIGNAL LIGHTING. 
          UH, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE KIND OF A NATURAL TRANSITION FOR UH, YOU KNOW, HU UH, THERE MAY BE OTHERS. 
          AS YOU BRING ON NEW SERVICES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR, YOUR, UH, STAFFING FOR, UH, WASTEWATER VERSUS WATER AND POTENTIALLY EVEN UH, RECLAIM TYPE SERVICES IN THE FUTURE. 
          WHICH WE HEARD FROM ROUND ROCK AND UM, AND SAN MARCOS AS THEY HAD TO GROW THEIR WATERSHED TYPE OF, UH, FACILITIES OR EVEN SERVICES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS TRIGGERING SOME OF THOSE POPULATION OR STAFFING PROJECTIONS. 
          NOT SO MUCH RELATED TO THE POPULATION ITSELF BECAUSE IT WAS AN INDEPENDENT, IT WAS AN INDEPENDENT, UM, REQUEST ON QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH NECESSARILY THE POPULATION. 
          WE JUST USED THAT AS A COMPARISON AS THESE OTHER FACILITIES HAD THESE POPULATIONS INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          THE REASON I ASK IS LIKE, TAKE WATER. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA DO MAINTENANCE AND WATER, WE HAVE ONE OF THE SMALL CCNS IN THE METRO AREA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE WHEN WE BUILD OUT OUR CCN IT OUGHT TO BE FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LIKE ROUND ROCK OR GEORGETOWN WHERE THEY CONTROL THEIR ENTIRE CCN WITH WATER. 
          AND SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE GO TO DO THIS COMING UP, THAT WE'VE REALLY, UH, AGAIN, WE SPENT 150 GRAND, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW YOU GET TO THE POPULATION. 
          'CAUSE YOU START USING THAT AS A, AS A REASON BEHIND WHY YOU HAVE TO BUILD EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA BUILD AND HOUSE ALL THESE PEOPLE. 
          AND IT REMINDS ME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WE HAD ONCE WHERE THEY SAID YOU'RE GONNA MAKE $40 MILLION ON IT. 
          AND WE SAID, WELL CAN YOU SHOW US THE MATH? AND THERE WAS NO MATH BEHIND IT. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE MATH, HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THOSE PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE IF WE START BUYING A 38 ACRE SITE TO PARK 250 EMPLOYEES, THEN TO ME, SOMEONE'S GOTTA REALLY SHOW WHAT THE 250 EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA DO, WHAT THE FUTURE'S GONNA BE. 
          'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA TELL US A COST. 
          IT'S GONNA MAKE ME PASS OUT WHEN I HEAR THE COST. 
          I'M SURE IT IS. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA GO, OKAY, WELL WHAT CAN WE DO THAT WE CAN OUTSOURCE TO SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE MEANTIME, SINCE WE CAN'T MAYBE AFFORD TO BUILD ALL THIS, BUT THERE'S THAT, LET'S SEE, FOUR BUILDINGS, WHO'S, YEAH, SO THAT'S IT. 
          AND THEN WHATEVER THE BUY THE LAND IS, I ALWAYS LIKE IT WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT WE'RE OUT SHOPPING FOR LAND BEFORE WE PUT ON OUR CONTRACT AND BUY IT. 
          'CAUSE WE DID THAT BEFORE  AND UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING THAT OUT. 
          UM, SO ANY KIND OF PLANS. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY'S EVEN THINKING ABOUT BUYING LAND. 
          IF YOU GUYS ARE SAYING WE NEED 38 ACRES. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE ACRES, THEN WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT A PLAN HERE THAT SAID 38 ACRES, IT SHOULD BE 33 OR WHATEVER. 
          SO SOMEHOW WE GOTTA GET ALL THIS WRAPPED UP, BRING IT TO US, I THINK THE NEXT TIME WITH SOME REALLY CONCRETE THINGS. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE GOT SUPER TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE IN THIS CITY. 
          SOMEONE'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY. 
          IT'S EITHER THE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GET A ROAD FIXED, EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE WORKING OUTTA MODULAR TRAILERS FOR ANOTHER FEW YEARS. 
          THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE CRAMPED. 
          WE JUST CAN'T BUILD A WHOLE CITY IN THREE YEARS. 
          AND SO THE MORE INFORMATION YOU ALL PROVIDE, AT LEAST FOR ME, THE MORE WE CAN SAY, OKAY RICK, IF YOU HAD 10 MILLION TO SPEND OR 15 OR 20, WHAT WOULD YOU SPEND IT ON? AND WOULD YOU BUILD, YOU KNOW, A BETTER PLACE TO LAY EVERYTHING DOWN OR PARK YOUR VEHICLES OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          AND THEN HE CAN MAKE THE DECISION WITH HIS EMPLOYEES ON WHAT HE THINKS IS RIGHT AND WE CAN BACK IT UP OR, BUT EVERYTHING THAT ALWAYS COMES TO US IS EVERYTHING'S GOTTA BE GRAND AND BUILT. 
          AND WE'RE NOT ROUND ROCK. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE TAX SPACE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WE GOT OUR FIRST STOPLIGHT 20 YEARS AGO ROUND ROCK ALREADY RAN OUTTA WATER ONCE BEFORE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO GET ON THE PATH OF ROUND ROCK. 
          AND I, I HATE COMPARING THIS ALL THE TIME TO THE BIGGER CITIES BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN AROUND LONGER. 
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THEY'RE ALREADY IMPROVING AND EXPANDING EXISTING FACILITIES AND I MEAN OUR POLICE STATION'S IN THE OLD CITY HALL, THE OLD CITY HALL'S RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          I THINK IT'S A RESTAURANT NOW, ISN'T IT? OR IT USED TO BE THE ON E STREET? NO, ON E STREET. 
          BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT BEING, IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO COMPARE US TO BIGGER CITIES WHEN THEY'VE HAD YEARS AND YEARS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT LEAP. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO I THINK TAKE STEPS, BUT I COULD BE WRONG, BUT WELL, YOU'RE, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TOOK THROUGH, WENT THROUGH THIS, UH, PROCESS, WE DEFINITELY HAD TO IDENTIFY THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, WHICH WAS THE, UM, KIND OF THE 2027 TIMEFRAME. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY CLOSER TO WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN SAN SAN MARCO. 
          UM, AS FAR AS ALL THE SERVICES THAT WE WERE, UM, VISITING, THEY, THEY MAY HAVE HAD ONE OR TWO, THEY HAVE ELECTRIC. 
          SO WE HAD TO DISCOUNT THAT OUT OF, UH, THE SERVICES OR THE KIND OF SERVICES THAT WE CURRENTLY PROJECT TO HAVE, UH, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO THIS WAS A, A COMPARISON EXERCISE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT GAVE US AN IDEA OF, OKAY, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT SERVICES VERY QUICKLY. 
          UM, UNKNOWNS. 
          YEAH, I MEAN IT IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A LARGER, UM, UTILITY BACKGROUND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD PROBABLY IN THE ORDER OF 10 SERVICE CENTERS AND SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WITH HURO BEING, I THINK IT'S MAYBE LIKE 64 SQUARE MILES OF, UH, OF AREA OH, 64. 
          WELL, I MEAN YOU HAVE ONE DIRECTION'S ABOUT EIGHT MILES, SO IT'S ABOUT 60 SOMETHING SQUARE MILES. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          UH, SO DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING, AN OPTION, UH, TO LOOK AT AS DECENTRALIZED, UH, AS WE GET INTO THESE, UH, NEEDS FIRST. 
          AND THEN IDENTIFY WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          BECAUSE THE RESEARCH IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IS YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THE EXISTING SITE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, UH, BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL DIS YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TO DISPLACE A LOT OF THE, THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF OPTIONS ON HOW TO GET TO FIRST PHASE, SECOND PHASE AND FUTURE PLANNING. 
          BUT, UM, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD CONVERSATION TO AT LEAST PROVIDE YOU AS A, UH, OUR INITIAL INFORMATION AND WE'LL GROW FROM THAT TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL REPORT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THE BIG COMPONENT IS THE COST, ESTIMATING THE COST AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY DETAILS. 
          YEAH, I MEAN DETAILS WHERE PEOPLE FALL ASLEEP READING THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WE CAN SIT THERE AND MAKE, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A HARD DECISION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE, MAYBE YOU GUYS GET THE FACILITY, BUT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOW THAT'S FIVE TIMES THE STUDY COST, BUT THEY COME BACK WITH A BETTER STUDY AND IT REALLY GIVES US LIKE, OH MAN, WE REALLY GOTTA DO THAT. 
          IT'S FULL OF DETAILS. 
          WELL THEN THEY MAY GET, THEY MAY GET THAT AND THEN YOU GUYS GET NOTHING BECAUSE, OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WIKIPEDIA IS RIGHT, BUT THEY SAY WE'RE 12, A LITTLE OVER 12 SQUARE MILES. 
          SO AGAIN, WHEN I'M COMPARING OTHER CITIES, I ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY ROADS DO WE HAVE COMPARED TO THE COUNTY, COMPARED TO THE STATE. 
          LIKE HOW MUCH, HOW MANY ROADS ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA MAINTAIN VERSUS IF YOU'RE GONNA COMPARE THE CITIES, WHAT THEY HAVE, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WHO'S RUNNING THEIR OWN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM? WHO HAS THEIR OWN GOLF COURSE THAT THEY MANAGE? WHO HAS THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT? 'CAUSE I ALWAYS SEE LIKE IN OUR, WE USED TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY, WE NEED TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE 'CAUSE OUR FTE COUNT TO POPULATION, LOOK HOW LOW IT IS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. 
          AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, BUT THEY GOT A GOLF COURSE, THEY HAVE AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU START BACKING ALL THAT OUT AND YOU GO, WHY ARE WE COMPARING JUST WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR HUTTO TO BE SUCCESSFUL? YOU TO RETAIN EMPLOYEES AND TO BE HAPPY AND NOT, YOU KNOW, HATE COMING TO WORK. 
          BUT THAT'S ALL I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR. 
          NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT MARBLE FLOORS, NOTHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT, BUT NOT THE BEST. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IN OVER TIME TO GET TO THE BEST, I THINK. 
          AND MAYBE NOT. 
          YOU MAY SHOW THE COST AND WE'RE ALL SHOCKED AND WE SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO IT. 
          I DUNNO. 
          BUT THAT'S, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT EVERY DOLLAR RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET TO A BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS. 
          I THINK THAT WAS EVERYBODY. 
          CAN I, CAN I, OH SURE. 
          MORE COMMENTS? JUST A FEW COMMENTS FROM ME. 
          UM, I LIKE THIS STUDY. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING UP HERE TO PRESENT, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS AND FACILITIES, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND WE'LL GET MORE DETAILS IN AT THE FINAL, UM, I GUESS REPORT WITH THE COST ESTIMATES, RIGHT? SO WE ARE, THAT'S, THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE ON THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          SO WE WILL BE GETTING COST ESTIMATES IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UH, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, THE 
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CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS, UM, A LOT OF TOUGH DECISIONS, UH, TO MAKE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, SOMETIMES OUR PLAN FOR THE FUTURE IS SHORTSIGHTED. 
          WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT, UH, THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF HUDU, UM, CI CITIES LIKE SAN MARCUS AND ROUND ROCK, THEY LIKELY HAD A, HAD A PLAN. 
          WE'RE KIND OF NEW TO THIS STRATEGIC PLANNING. 
          UM, SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY SHORTSIGHTED, UH, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER IT COMES TO PUBLIC WORKS. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN UP OUR EYES AND, AND, AND THE POSSIBILITIES. 
          AND LOOKING AT THE, THE THE YEAR RANGES THAT YOU, YOU'VE PROVIDED FOR US. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT TELLING US TO BUILD, UM, 30, 38 TO 46 ACRES IN FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING OUT TO 2040, THAT'S 25 YEARS FROM HERE FROM NOW. 
          SO, UH, WE NEED TO, UM, KIND OF PICK OUR HEADS UP OFF THE DESK AND START, YOU KNOW, LOOKING UP, BECAUSE WE DO NEED A PLAN FOR, FOR THE CITY AND SOME OF THESE CITIES THAT Y'ALL HAVE COMPARED US TO. 
          THEY, THEY HAD SOME KIND OF A PLAN. 
          IT MAYBE HASN'T WORKED OUT TOO WELL FOR THEM OR MAYBE IT'S WORKED OUT GREAT. 
          UM, AND, AND THE GOOD THING IS, IS LIKE YOU SAID, WITH HUDA, UH, WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, 20 ACRES HERE, MAYBE 10 ACRES THERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S WORKING FOR US. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE COME TO. 
          UM, AND KIND OF BACK TO THE, UM, QUESTION ON HAVING ALL THE, UH, BUILDINGS IN ONE LOCATION. 
          OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT A PUBLIC'S WORK PUBLIC WORKS PERSON, BUT, UM, I WOULD JUST ASSUME THAT HAVING EVERYBODY TOGETHER THAT WORKS IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT, IT, IT, IT JUST, IT WOULDN'T CAUSE ISSUES. 
          THERE'S, EVERYTHING'S MORE STREAMLINED. 
          UM, YOU CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A BENEFIT TO HAVING MOST OF THE, UH, FACILITIES TO TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND ANOTHER THOUGHT, JUST KIND OF THINKING IN THE, UH, FUTURE, UH, FOR HUDA, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN HUDA, UM, EVERYBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT ROADS, BUT WATER AND WASTEWATER, ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEW. 
          WE HAVE BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOODS GOING UP. 
          UM, THE ONLY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS, UM, OLD AND WEATHERED IS OLD TOWN. 
          UM, SO THAT IS, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS NEW, THEY HAVE NEW WATER LINES, NEW WASTEWATER LINES. 
          UM, THOSE, UH, AREAS ARE NEW. 
          BUT IF YOU THINK IN THIS 25 YEAR PERIOD, ALL OF THAT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, NOT A ROAD IS GOING TO AGE. 
          IT'S GOING TO NEED A FACILITY THAT CAN UPKEEP AND MAINTAIN WATER AND WASTEWATER ISSUES. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST MY, UH, FEW COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON, ON THIS. 
          BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS STUDY. 
          I THINK IT'S GREAT. 
          I'M EXCITED FOR THE FINAL, UM, RESULT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL. 
          YOU GOT THE CONDENSED VERSION, SO THAT'D BE GOOD TO LOOK THROUGH THAT. 
          WE CAN BRING IT TO YOU . 
          GREAT, THANKS. 
          YEAH, AND I, I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO LOOK FOR A SIZABLE PIECE OF LAND THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE GROWTH NEEDS AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BUILD A LOT ON IT RIGHT AWAY. 
          YOU CAN BUILD THE FIRST, THE INITIAL BUILDING CAN BE FLEXIBLE AND CRAM THINGS IN THERE THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT IN THERE EVENTUALLY. 
          AND THEN YOU, YOU ADJUST AS YOU ARE ABLE TO BUILD MORE DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE CITY, 12 SQUARE MILES SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE CITY LIMITS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SIZE THAT COUNTS TOTALLY FOR THIS. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE SQUARE MILES OF THE WATER, CCN, WHICH IS GONNA BE ONE NUMBER, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SQUARE MILES OF THE SEWER CCN, WHICH IS MUCH LARGER THAN CITY LIMITS. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ETJ, WHICH YES, IT'S BOUNDED ON A LOT OF SIDES, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BOUNDED ON THE NORTH. 
          AND AS WE GROW TO THE NORTH, THE ETJ CAN EVEN STILL EXPAND FURTHER. 
          SO HOW FAR WE GROW AND WHAT WE NEED TO SERVICE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN WE ARE TODAY. 
          SO WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT WE HAVE ITEM NINE 
          [9.1. Conduct a public hearing on Ordinance No. O-2024-002 for the Planned Unit Development (PUD) request for the property known as Meadow Brook Planned Unit Development (PUD), 87.8 acres, more or less, of land, located off FM1660S (Ashley Bailey)]
ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH ZERO TWO FOR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          HUD REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS MEADOWBROOK PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, HUD 87.8 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED OFF FM 1660 SOUTH MAYOR IS MS. UH, BAILEY IS MAKING HER WAY TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE NEXT THREE ITEMS, 9, 2, 3 AND FOUR, THOSE ARE LISTED AS PUBLIC HEARINGS AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ORDINANCES, BUT WE DID NOT GET THE ORDINANCES AND TIME FOR THEM TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. 
          SO IT'LL JUST BE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AND THEN THE ITEMS FOR THE VOTE ON THE ZONING WILL OCCUR. 
          NEXT MEETING FOR 9, 2, 3, AND FOUR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO YOU WANT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS KEPT OPEN UNTIL WE GO TO THE ORDINANCE? YES, PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT, BEFORE I FORGET, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE AT 9:00 PM ALRIGHT, UM, MAYOR AND COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD, ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          UH, REALLY QUICK 
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ON THIS ONE, THIS IS 87.8 ACRES. 
          IT IS NORTH OF FM 1660, UH, SOUTH, AND THEN IT IS ALSO WEST OF 1 34. 
          IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE ARTERIAL. 
          OH, IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UM, SOUTHEAST LOOP COMES THROUGH AND THEN WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER, UM, ARTERIAL FOR HETO COMING THROUGH THERE AS WELL. 
          YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE. 
          THIS WAS ON YOUR AGENDA A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE PUD, WHICH IS WHY IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU. 
          THE DENSITY HAS INCREASED, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ONLY AND WE'LL HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION OF THE 18TH MEETING AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NO MORE ACTION. 
          WE'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          JUST M HEARING FROM THE STATE MANAGER. 
          UH, AS LONG AS YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S OPEN AND LEAVE IT, THEN WE THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO SPEAK NOW, OTHERWISE, WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN. 
          THE NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ON TO 
          [9.2. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-037 for the zoning change request for the property known as 213 FM 1660 South, 1.08 acres, more or less, of land, located at FM 1660 S and Evans Street, from OT-4R (Urban Residential) to OT-4T (Transition) (Ashley Bailey)]
NINE TWO, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACCIDENT ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH 0 3 7 FOR THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS 2 1 3 FM 1660 SOUTH 1.08 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED AT FM 1660 SOUTH AND EVAN STREET FROM OT TO FOUR R. 
          URBAN RESIDENTIAL TO OT DASH FOUR T TRANSITION. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 0 1, SORRY. 
          UH, THIS IS AN ACRE, UH, JUST OVER AN ACRE PRO UH, PARCEL. 
          IT IS THE, UH, IF YOU DRIVE ON 1660 SOUTH EVERETT, IT'S THE LITTLE BIT OF A MID-CENTURY MODERN THAT FRONTS RIGHT ONTO 1660 SOUTH AT EVANS. 
          UM, THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS UP FOR REZONING IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          IT DOES GO FROM THAT URBAN RESIDENTIAL TO A TRANSITIONAL ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMERCIAL, AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING ONLY. 
          WE WILL HAVE, UM, THE ACTION AT THE 18TH MEETING NEXT WEEK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK TONIGHT? ALRIGHT. 
          SEE NO 
          [9.3. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-038 for the proposed Penske Planned Unit Development, 35.8 acres, more or less, of land, from Multi-family and an original zoning to PUD at the time of annexation, located on the west side of Innovation Blvd (Ashley Bailey)]
ONE WILL MOVE TO NINE THREE. 
          CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH 0 3 8 FOR THE PROPOSED PENS. 
          PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          35.8 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND FROM MULTIFAMILY, AND AN ORIGINAL ZONING TO HUD AT THE TIME OF ANNEXATION. 
          LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF INNOVATION BOULEVARD. 
          OPEN UP, OPEN. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER UP PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 0 3. 
          KEEP INTERRUPTING HERE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT. 
          IT'S 35 ACRES. 
          UM, YOU MAY RECALL A FEW YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY DID ANNEX A PORTION OF THIS AT THE NORTH END. 
          IT WAS ZONED, UH, FOR MULTIFAMILY ALONG WITH A SMALL PIECE, UM, THAT WAS JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY FOR THE EXTENSION OF SCHNEIDER BOULEVARD. 
          UH, THIS WILL HAVE AN ANNEXATION ITEM WITH IT, INCLUDING THAT, UM, MUNICIPAL SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WE DO WITH THE ANNEXATIONS. 
          IT'S A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. 
          UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT OF A AUTO CENTERED USE. 
          UM, SO IT'S THE PENSKE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING IN TWO PHASES. 
          BUT AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING ONLY AT THIS POINT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I'LL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE A NO ONE. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO 
          [9.4. Conduct a public hearing and consider possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-039 for the proposed Stromberg Planned Unit Development, 372.121 acres, more or less, of land, from Agricultural/Single-Family - Rural to Planned Unit Development, located south of CR 132 (Ashley Bailey)]
ITEM NINE FOUR, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH 0 3 9 FOR THE PROPOSED STROMBERG PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          372.121 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND FROM AGRI AGRICULTURAL SINGLE FAMILY TO RURAL, I'M SORRY, FROM AGRICULTURAL SINGLE FAMILY TO RURAL TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED SOUTH OF CR 1 32. 
          AND WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9 0 4. 
          OKAY, SO THIS ONE WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          IT'S JUST OVER 372 ACRES. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAPS. 
          IT'S JUST SOUTH OF COUNTY ROAD 1 32 AND THEN IT IS EAST OF 1 34. 
          SO IT'S, UM, IN THE SAME KIND OF GENERAL VICINITY AS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT, UH, WE HAVE OPEN TONIGHT FOR THE MEADOWBROOK PUD. 
          THIS WILL BE GOING FROM AG OR WHAT WE CALL OUR SINGLE FAMILY RULE DISTRICT TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS, BUT AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING ONLY TONIGHT. 
          UM, YOU DO HAVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT MORE AT THE NEXT ITEM, UH, MEETING. 
          I'LL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SEEING NO ONE. 
          THANKS ASHLEY. 
          IS THAT IT FOR TONIGHT FOR YOU? NO, SORRY. 
          I'LL 
          [10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, City Council Liaisons, and Area Government appointments.]
MOVE ON. 
          ITEM TEN ONE, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT, 
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REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS, CITY COUNCIL LIAISONS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. 
          UH, MAYOR, THE DOMINATING COMMITTEE DOES NOT AT THIS TIME HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR NOMINATIONS FOR MEMBERSHIPS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY AT LEAST ONE, UH, BOARD TO UM, CONSIDER, UM, APPOINTING SOME LIAISONS. 
          THE PARKS BOARD CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A COUNCIL LIAISON. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE ONE. 
          AND SO THEY'VE ASKED FOR A LIAISON. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE IN THE PAST CONSIDERED, UH, CHANGING LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS IF PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SO WE COULD DO THAT TONIGHT IF, IF WE SO JUICE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL,  WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AROUND . 
          I'M WAITING. 
          SO, SO I CURRENTLY SOMETHING CURRENT, I CURRENTLY SERVE ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          I'M GLAD TO STAY ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS COMING UP. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO STAY INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          SO UNLESS ANYONE REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I'M GLAD TO STAY THERE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON IS THE DEFAULT LIAISON TO EDC BECAUSE HE'S ON THE EDC, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. 
          ARE YOU UH, THE DNI COMMISSION. 
          DNI. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          LIBRARY. 
          I'M LIBRARY. 
          YEAH, YOUR LIBRARY. 
          AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT AND YET? HMM. 
           AND AMBERLY. 
          WHAT ARE YOU PARKS? NO YOU'RE NOT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE. 
          I GUESS IT'S IF FOR ME, I, I WAS, UH, PLANNING IN ZONE OR I'M PLANNING IN ZONING, BUT I GUESS I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I GUESS THE DEAL IS WITH LIAISONS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN A LIAISON. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE NOT DOING THAT FROM A, A WORKSHOP THAT, A WORKSHOP THAT WE DID. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DID IT, BUT THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT WAS YOU TOO. 
          I, YEAH, SO I'M, I'M UNSURE OF MY ROLE. 
          . 
          UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, FULL DISCLOSURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS BASICALLY THAT ONCE WE MOVED TO HAVING STRATEGIC SESSION, STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THE GETTING THAT COMMUNICATION GOING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ALL THE WAY THERE ON THAT COMMUNICATION. 
          I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE BOARDS COMING TO US AND REPORTING TO US AND, AND KEEP THAT GOING A LITTLE MORE. 
          BUT THAT WAS THE GOAL, RIGHT? WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT THEM TO WORK ON TRUE. 
          AND, AND WORK THAT OUT AND NOT HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING WITH, WITH A GIVEN BORDER COMMISSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS THAT WHAT WE WANNA DO? JUST TELL ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          WE DON'T DO LIAISONS ANYMORE. 
          JUST LET 'EM KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS, I MEAN, THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW THE, THE PARKS WAS ASKING IF THEY COULD HAVE A LIAISON. 
          THEY, THEY LIKED HAVING ONE, THEY WOULD LIKE ONE. 
          BUT, UM, IF THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          WELL, I KIND OF, I, WELL I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. 
          I MEAN, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THEM COMING PRESENTING TO US, WE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEIR QUARTERLY PLANS WERE, KIND OF GIVING THEM SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE PURPOSE. 
          WE CAN APPROVE WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE LIAISONS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD DENY THEM, BUT , WHAT WAS MY THOUGHT? LIKE PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          THEY HAVE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN 'EM DIRECTION OF LIKE A UDC REWRITE AND THEY DID A 2040 COMP PLAN AND THEY DID SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF DOING THAT WITH P AND C. 
          UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY STARTED THAT NOW. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE A LIAISON, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY, EDC IS GONNA MEET WITH US QUARTERLY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE'VE NOW IDENTIFIED THAT ONE. 
          SO MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO NOT DO THIS AND THEN TALK ABOUT HAVING PARKS DO A QUARTERLY WITH US ON, DURING OUR SIX O'CLOCK WORKSHOP. 
          JUST LIKE WE KIND OF DO WITH EDC. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I THINK D AND I IS REACHING A POINT WHERE THEY'RE COMING BACK TO US NEXT WEEK WITH A DRAFT OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S REACHING A POINT WHERE HOPEFULLY THAT IS READY TO KIND OF GO OFF AND WORK AND JUST COME BACK TO THE FULL COUNSEL FOR, FOR ADVICE. 
          SO I DUNNO THAT THEY NEED A, A LIAISON. 
          I THINK I'LL PROBABLY STILL ATTEND THEIR MEETINGS FOR A WHILE, WHICH WE'RE ALL WELCOME TO DO ANYWAY, SO, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I GUESS MAYBE ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US A REPORT SINCE WHEN, WHENEVER WE MET BACK IN FEBRUARY, MARCH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DID THAT SATURDAY WORKSHOP. 
          BUT IF THEY WOULD 
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LIKE TO DO THAT IN LIEU OF AT, ARE WE GONNA ASK EVERY BOARD TO DO THAT? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT SHOULD BE A STANDARD. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD, THEY SHOULD ALL, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK WE ESTABLISHED THAT THAT QUARTER QUARTERLY, OR MAYBE THAT ONE'S, WELL MAYBE THAT ONE'S SEMI-ANNUALLY BECAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER LITTLE BOARDS DON'T. 
          BUT LIKE EDC IS, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT AND, YOU KNOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST TO DIAL IT IN. 
          ARE WE APPOINTING ANYBODY OR NOT? MM-HMM. 
          NOPE. 
          NO, SIR. 
          UM, WE CAN COME BACK IF YOU GUYS WANNA TALK ABOUT THE LIAISONS, WE CAN HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AND JUST REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANNA DO, IF WE WANNA CHANGE. 
          BUT ARE WE, ARE YOU SOUNDING LIKE WE'RE TELLING ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, THERE ARE NO LIAISON APPOINTMENTS. 
          IF, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO ATTEND ONE AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON SAID, THEN THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT DO WE WANNA COMMUNICATE THAT AT LEAST? I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD. 
          YOU DO IT EITHER ALL OR NOTHING IS MY OPINION. 
          IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE A LIAISON TO CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. 
          LET'S LET, LET'S HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON IT SO THAT WE'RE, SINCE WE'RE JUST TALKING APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS AND, WELL, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. 
          IT'S, BUT NOW, NOW WE'RE LIAISONS. 
          LET'S MAKE A MAKE A MO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ALL COUNCIL LIAISONS FROM ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          . 
          I WAS LIKE . 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON REMOVING A LIAISONS FROM THE BOARDS? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PER AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR SCHNEIDER. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THO AYE. 
          A MEMBER JOHNSON AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORT AYE. 
          QUESTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO AT NINE 12. 
          OUR FIRST ACTION . 
          ALRIGHT, THAT 
          [11.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance O-2024-036 to approve a budget amendment for the FY24 Hutto Economic Development Corporation budget in the amount of $3,750 for incentives management software (Cheney Gamboa)]
BRINGS US UP TO ITEM 11 ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION AND ORDINANCE O DASH 2024 DASH 0 3 6 TO APPROVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24 HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,750 FOR INCENTIVES MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CHENEY GIBO, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          UH, THIS ITEM IS PRETTY CLEAR CUT. 
          IT'S A 37 50 BUDGET AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR AN INCENTIVE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FROM THIS COMPANY CALLED CIVIC SERVE. 
          UM, IT MANAGES THAT MANAGES THE END TO END PROCESS FOR INCENTIVES. 
          SO EVERYTHING FROM WHEN WE INITIALLY APPROVE THAT INCENTIVE, WE ENTER IN ALL OF THE PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THE ASSOCIATED INCENTIVE WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THAT END USER TO INTERACT WITH THE INTERFACE AND UPLOAD ANY REQUIRED DOCUMENTS SUCH AS, UM, EMPLOYMENT AFFIDAVITS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, WE'RE ALLOWED TO SCHEDULE REMINDERS THROUGH THAT SOFTWARE. 
          SO IT'S A REALLY ROBUST PLATFORM THAT I THINK WILL REALLY HELP NOT ONLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT OUR FINANCE TEAM BETTER ENFORCE AND MAINTAIN, UM, THOSE INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS AND KEEP THEM ALL IN COMPLIANCE. 
          UH, MUCH EASIER. 
          UM, IT'S, THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT IS FOR A THREE MONTH INTERIM CONTRACT. 
          SO WE HAD NEGOTIATED THE PRICE DOWN PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY FOR THE FULL CONTRACT AND THEN PRORATED, UM, THAT AMOUNT OVER THE THREE MONTH TERM. 
          UM, AND IT'S A REALLOCATION FROM THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE TO THE BUSINESS PROGRAM ADMIN LINE. 
          SO THERE'S A NET ZERO CHANGE FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE WILL ENTERTAIN IF THERE'S NO QUESTION, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11 1 0 20 24 DASH 30 0 3 6 AS IT PRESENTED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          AND I DO, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE A, IS I KNOW IT'S 15,000 PER YEAR. 
          UH, IS THERE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF YEARS THAT WE HAVE TO DO? IS IT LIKE A CONTRACT OR IS IT JUST YEAR TO YEAR? IT'S YEAR TO YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER NORTON AYE. 
          MAYOR . 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR . 
          AYE. 
          CLARK AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          NEXT WE 
          [12.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-130 adopting the Athletic Fields Study (Matt Rector and Jeff White)]
HAVE ITEM 12, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 30, ADOPTING THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF APPRO RECREATION. 
          UH, THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY WAS APPROVED IN THE FY 24 BUDGET AND PAID OUT, PAID FOR FROM THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE HUNTER RUSH AND ZACH CLARK HERE WITH MHS DESIGN TO LEAD YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THE FINDINGS. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TONIGHT. 
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UH, MY NAME'S HUNTER RUSH WITH MHS PLANNING AND DESIGN HERE TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING ABOUT, UM, THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY. 
          UH, WE'VE, WE'VE, I'LL I'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DETAILS HERE SHORTLY. 
          SO, OF COURSE, OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF WHY, WHY WE DID THIS, OUR TIMELINE, THE INVENTORY, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, NATIONAL STANDARDS, AND THEN YOUR LOCAL NEEDS. 
          UH, AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I'M GONNA GO PRETTY QUICK THROUGH THE BEGINNING 'CAUSE I'M SURE WE ALL REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME OF THE, THE FIRST ITEMS. SO AGAIN, OUR, OUR PURPOSE WAS TO DETERMINE THE ATHLETIC NEEDS IN HU UM, LOOKING AT THE FIELD SPECIFICALLY, UH, ALSO TO ASSIST IN PLANNING AND BUDGETING. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOME ITEMS HERE WITH SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SOME ITEMS COST IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND WHERE, HOW YOU COULD PHASE THOSE, UM, AS WELL AS PROVIDING ECONOMIC BENEFITS, UM, TO, AND RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS THERE. 
          THOSE ARE NATIONAL NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE IN THE BILLIONS. 
          UM, KIND OF GOING BACK A COUPLE HOURS AGO TO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING RECREATION MONTH AND ALL THE, THE IMPORTANCE THAT THAT REALLY HAS FOR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, REAL BRIEFLY ON OUR TIMELINE, WE KICKED THIS OFF IN OCTOBER OF 2023. 
          UH, WE MOVED THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROVIDED A DRAFT. 
          WE HAD SOME FOCUS GROUP INPUTS, UM, AND THEN WE, WE CAME TO COUNCIL IN MARCH, UM, SORRY, IN APRIL. 
          WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THAT. 
          AND FROM THAT WE WENT AND MET WITH ADDITIONAL FOCUS GROUPS AND CAME AND PRESENTED TO THE EDC FOR THEIR COMMENT, UH, WHICH, WHICH WE'VE UPDATED THE PLAN PER THAT AND PER, UM, PER COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL COMMENTS. 
          AND SO WE'RE HERE TODAY WITH THE FINAL DRAFT, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION AND POTENTIAL ADOPTION. 
          SO, REAL BRIEFLY, WE, WE PERFORMED OUR INVENTORY. 
          WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PARKS AT FRITZ RIVERWALK AND CREEKSIDE. 
          UM, WE DID ONSITE INSPECTIONS OF ALL THOSE AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL DESKTOP REVIEWS. 
          LOOKING AT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE. 
          WE MET WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, SO ALL THE YOUTH ATHLETIC GROUPS, UH, AS LONG AS WELL AS THE, UM, EDC, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, AND THE YMCA TO TALK ABOUT THEIR NEEDS OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY NEED. 
          SO, REAL BRIEFLY, IN NATIONAL STANDARDS, THESE ARE SOMETHING IMPORTANT WE WANT TO NOTE. 
          UM, BUT IT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE NATIONAL STANDARDS. 
          SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE PRETTY HIGH. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMPARING, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE EARLIER IN SOME OTHER PRESENTATIONS ABOUT COMPARING TO OTHER CITIES. 
          NATIONAL STANDARDS ARE, THEY'RE GOOD AT A VERY HIGH ELEVATION, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REAL GREAT BECAUSE YOU ARE HUDU, YOU'RE YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LOOKING AT PLACES LIKE CHICAGO, NEW YORK. 
          UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN FOR NATIONAL STANDARDS, YOU HAVE A DEFICIT IN, IN ALMOST ALL OF YOUR ATHLETICS. 
          AND THE WAY THEY LOOK AT THAT IS BASICALLY FIELDS PER, UM, PER POPULATION NUMBERS BASED ON USES WHAT WE'VE DONE. 
          SO AGAIN, REAL BIG PICTURE, YOU GOT A DEFICIT IN A LOT OF YOUR FIELDS. 
          WE WANTED TO LOOK MORE LOCALLY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, IN ADDITION TO, UM, TO SPEAKING WITH ALL THE INDIVIDUAL GROUPS, WE'VE COLLECTED ALL THEIR INFORMATION, ALL THE THEIR PLAYERS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS, WE CALL IT A CARRYING CAPACITY ANALYSIS. 
          WE KNOW EACH FIELD BASED ON THEIR SCHEDULES, UM, AND THEIR NUMBER OF PLAYERS CAN HOLD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GAMES PER DAY, PER WEEK. 
          SO WE DO, WE CRUNCH SOME MATH AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY FIELDS EACH ORGANIZATION REALLY NEEDS BASED ON THEIR NUMBERS. 
          UM, MOST ORGANIZATIONS WANT MORE FIELDS. 
          THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW YOUTH ATHLETICS FUNCTION. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN, THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES FOR SCHEDULING. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAY GAMES MORE OFTEN. 
          YOU CAN PLAY MORE GAMES, YOU CAN LIGHT ADDITIONAL FIELDS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS THAN JUST BUILDING ADDITIONAL FIELDS, UM, THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO. 
          BUT OVERALL, FOR THE LOCAL NEEDS, YOU CAN SEE ADDITIONAL GAMES AND PRACTICE SPACES, UH, FOR FIELDS, SPORTS EQUIPMENT, CONCESSION RESTROOMS, LIGHTING, PARKING, UM, SAFETY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ON SOME OF THE FIELDS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, SPACE FOR ALL PARK USERS. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON, IF YOU GO BUILD THESE BIG ATHLETIC COMPLEXES, MAKE SURE MOM, DAD, GRANDMA, GRANDPA, UM, BROTHERS, SISTERS, HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUNDS, WALKING TRAILS, THINGS TO DO WHILE BROTHERS SON IS, IS RECREATING SO BIG BASED ON ALL THAT INFO. 
          I WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          BUT BASED ON ALL THAT INFO, WE'VE COME UP WITH FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND IT'S KIND OF, THEY'RE BIG MILESTONES. 
          SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS CAN BE PHASED AND CAN BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER NUMBERS SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF PICK DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OUT OF EACH ONE, UH, TO PHASE IT APPROPRIATELY BASED ON, BASED ON BUDGET. 
          SO THE FIRST OPTION WOULD BE OPTION A, WHICH IS TO EXPAND FRITZ PARK, UM, AND TO, WITH ADDITIONAL FIELDS THAT WOULD MEET YOUR CURRENT NEEDS. 
          UM, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON EACH ONE OF THESE AFTER I GO. 
          A QUICK OVERVIEW. 
          THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ON OPTION A IS THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP 
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SEPARATE FACILITIES. 
          SO YOUR SOCCER WOULD STILL BE SEPARATE FROM, UM, BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FOOTBALL WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO USE THE ISD FIELDS AS THEY CURRENTLY DO. 
          UM, AND IT WAS THE OTHER IMPORTANT ITEM IS SOME OF YOUR FIELDS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, ARE NOT REGULATION SIZE. 
          THIS OPTION WOULD KEEP THOSE, YOU'D STAY ON THOSE, YOUR REGULATED NON-REGULATED SIZE FIELDS. 
          OPTION B WOULD BE MEETING YOUR CURRENT NEEDS, BUT BUILDING A NEW COMPLEX WHERE EVERYTHING IS TOGETHER. 
          SO YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY REBUILD ALL THE FIELDS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN ONE COMPLEX. 
          C IS YOUR SHORT TERM, WHICH IS ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS OUT, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, AGAIN, BUILDING A NEW COMPLEX WITH ALL NEW FIELDS, GETTING UP TO ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND D IS YOUR, THAT'S YOUR BIG ONE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE NUMBERS HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          THAT'S YOUR BUILD OUT THROUGH, BUILD OUT ALL THE FIELDS YOU'RE GONNA NEED IN ONE, ONE CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO NOTE, UM, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS, THAT THIS PLAN DOESN'T COMMIT COUNSEL TO ANY SPENDING. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A PLAN THAT'S MEANT TO BE A FLEXIBLE GUIDE TO HELP ASSIST IN BUDGETING AND PLANNING AS YOU MOVE INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN ALL BE PHASED. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL. 
          THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER AS WE WALK THROUGH THESE OPTIONS IS THE THREE, KIND OF THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATIONS I THINK IN ALL OF THIS ARE GOING TO BE, UM, IF, IF THE CITY WANTS TO HAVE ALL YOUR FIELDS AT ONE LOCATION, IS IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOCCER, YOU KNOW, MOVE TO THE SAME LOCATION AS A HUB? OR IS IT OKAY TO HAVE SOCCER AS A SEPARATE FACILITY? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL AS FIELD SIZES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, YOU ARE OPERATING RIGHT NOW WITH SOME FIELDS THAT ARE NOT FOR THE EXACT, FOR THE SAME REGULATION AS THAT YOUR LEAGUES ARE PLAYING IN. 
          HOW CRITICAL IS THAT? UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE FIELDS WOULD'VE TO BE EITHER REBUILT OR TORN DOWN, UM, TO GET TO THOSE, UH, REGULATION SIZES. 
          AND THEN THIRD, OF COURSE, THE ONE WE'RE PROBABLY ALL MOST FA FAMILIAR WITH IS THE BUDGET. 
          THAT'LL BE A BIG CONSIDERATION AS YOU LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND THROUGH THESE OPTIONS YOU'LL SEE IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE AS YOU GET FURTHER OUT AS YOU'RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE. 
          SO OPTION A, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE, UM, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE BUILDING NEW FACILITIES TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. 
          THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD GET YOU THROUGH, UH, I BELIEVE 2030. 
          UM, IF YOU BUILT, OR ACTUALLY THIS WOULD GET YOU THROUGH BUILD OUT, IF YOU GO IN AND BUILT THESE FIELDS, UM, YOU, IT WOULD GET YOU THROUGH, BUILD OUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT YOU WOULD STILL BE PLAYING ON SOME NON-REGULATED FIELD SIZES, UM, AS WELL AS YOUR SPORTS FACILITIES WOULD BE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE TAG ON THAT. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT DOLLARS AT ABOUT $15 MILLION. 
          UM, A FEW THINGS I DO WANNA POINT OUT ON THAT AS WELL. 
          THIS IS TOTAL COST. 
          UM, WE HAVE PUT IN SOME ESTIMATES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT DESIGN IN THERE. 
          YOU HAVE A LARGE CONTIN, $2 MILLION CONTINGENCY BUILT IN. 
          SO WE DID TRY TO BE PRETTY REASONABLE. 
          AND THERE IS SOME, SOME FLUFF IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO PUT A NUMBER ON THINGS WITHOUT A DESIGN BECAUSE IT IS VERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PIE IN THE SKY AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, AGAIN, THESE NUMBERS DO HAVE ITEMS SUCH AS PLAYGROUNDS, TRAILS, SITE FURNITURE, UM, A LOT OF EXTRA AMENITIES THAT AREN'T NECESSARY TO BE BUILT. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO GO JUST BUILD FIELDS. 
          SO IF YOU REALLY JUST WANTED TO GO BUILD THE FIELDS ALONE IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, YOU'RE AT ABOUT $7 MILLION. 
          UM, WOULD BE KIND OF YOUR ROUGH ESTIMATE TO GO BUILD FIELDS. 
          OPTION B, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE YOUR MEETING, YOUR CURRENT NEEDS FOR YOUR USER GROUPS, BUT YOU'RE REBUILDING THE FIELDS. 
          UM, TO BE AT A REGULATION SIZE AND TO BE ALL AT ONE COMPLEX, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOUR, YOUR TOTAL PRICE FOR THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 26 MILLION. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, ONE THING I DID NOT MENTION, WE DO HAVE A FIVE YEAR, UM, BUILD OUT ON THIS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE CONTINUES TO GO UP EVERY YEAR. 
          UM, AS, AS IT DOES FOR ALL THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. 
          WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU HAD THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS TO SEE THAT THEY WERE AVAILABLE OPTION C AGAIN, TO MEET THE FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR NEEDS BASED ON YOUR LOCAL NEEDS. 
          UH, YOU'D BE BUILDING ADDITIONAL FIELDS. 
          UM, REALLY IT'S ONLY HAD ONE ADDITIONAL BASE BASEBALL FIELD, ONE ADDITIONAL SOFTBALL FIELD, UM, AND THREE ADDITIONAL SOCCER FIELDS AT THIS POINT. 
          SO YOU'D MOVE INTO THIS $30 MILLION RANGE. 
          UM, AGAIN, WITH IT GROWING OVER TIME AND OPTION D, THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS YOUR BIG ONE. 
          THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA GO BUILD IT ALL AT ONE TIME. 
          UM, AGAIN, IT COULD BE PHASED, BUT YOU GO GET, THIS IS AN ESTIMATED, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ACREAGES EARLIER. 
          YOU'RE ABOUT ABOUT A HUNDRED ACRES, A HUNDRED, 125 ACRES TO BUILD A COMPLEX OF THIS SIZE. 
          AGAIN, ALL OF THESE CAN BE PHASED, YOU KNOW, DO YOU REALLY NEED 16 INDIVIDUAL SOCCER FIELDS? SOCCER IS MEANT, THEIR FIELD DIMENSIONS ARE MEANT TO BE MULTIPURPOSE 
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SIZED FIELDS, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN REWORK FIELDS AS NECESSARY. 
          SO A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE WORKED OUT IN THE DESIGN PHASE. 
          UH, IF AND WHEN YOU GOT TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, . 
          AND AGAIN, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A FEW OF THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WERE AVAILABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS ARE, ARE BIG. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING A LOT WITH SPORTS COMPLEXES OF THESE, THESE SIZES, AGAIN, THERE ARE PARKS AND WILDLIFE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, THAT COME AROUND ANNUALLY. 
          PRIVATE DONATIONS OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE YOUR GENERAL FUND USER FEES OR, OR A BOND. 
          IF THAT IS A ROUTE, UH, COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO. 
          SO I, I KNOW I WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK AND THERE'S SOME BIG NUMBERS, BUT I FIGURED THERE MAY BE SOME DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON SOME OF THAT. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE AT THIS TIME. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE COMMENTS FROM APRIL AND GOING OFF AND CERTAINLY THANK YOU. 
          AND ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES. 
          CUSTOMER THO DID HE GET ALL THE BASEBALL ONES? 'CAUSE ON THE SOCCER ONES, THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO SOCCER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, I COULD, IF YOU GO BACK ON THE, ON THE, UM, INVENTORY FOR SOCCER, THOSE ARE ALL, WHOOPS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL, UH, EIGHT U FIELDS. 
          AND SO WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE SIX, I THINK IT'S MISLEADING THAT IT'S, WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE AN INVENTORY OF SIX SOCCER FIELDS WHEN NOBODY THAT'S IN MIDDLE SCHOOL IS PLAYING ON THOSE FIELDS COMFORTABLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO, TO COUNT 'EM AS AND BECAUSE, 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE DID THAT WITH BASEBALL, YOU HAVE THE DIMENSIONS AND I DON'T KNOW BASEBALL, BUT YOU HAVE THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR A SOFTBALL, BUT THE SIX SOCCER FIELDS, IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE MORE, I'M, SO, MAY, MAY, ACTUALLY IT'S, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE. 
          IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE REPORT. 
          IT JUST SAYS THERE'S SIX FIELDS AND HERE I PULLED IT UP. 
          YES. 
          UH, I, I, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NICER YARDS. 
          SO IT'S 60 BY 90. 
          UH, IT SAYS YARDS, BUT IN SOME OF THESE, I THINK GOT THE FEET, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S 73 BY 1 0 7, THAT'D BE A 200 BY 300. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S FEET TOWARDS THE END, NOT YARDS. 
          BUT I, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A A 70 BY 100 YARD SOCCER FIELD. 
          RIGHT? THAT'D BE, THAT'S BIGGER THAN A, IT'S BE ABOUT SIZE. 
          THAT'S BIGGER THAN COLLEGE, RIGHT? YEAH, MOST THE, THE LARGEST SOCCER FIELD IS ABOUT 300 FEET, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS A HUNDRED YARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          PAGE 54 OF THE STUDY HAS THE SOCCER FIELD DIMENSIONS AND 53 AND 54 HAVE BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE FIGURE 3.4. 
          I COULDN'T TELL IF THOSE WERE FEET OR YARDS. 
          I KNOW IT SAYS YARDS, BUT BEING OUT THERE, THOSE AREN'T, ANYWAY, WE, WE WILL VERIFY THAT THAT IS FEET. 
          IT IS FEET, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SEE ALL THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          SO ALL THOSE FIELDS ARE ALL FOR EIGHT U YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, I DOUBLE CHECKED. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND, AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW BASEBALL REAL WELL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, PAGE 54, 54 AND WHAT, UH, THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, 54, THERE'S THE FIELD STANDARD DIMENSIONS. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THERE HE'S LOOKING AT, AND THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDED SIZES, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RECOMMENDED. 
          WHAT I'M GOING BACK TO IS CURRENT INVENTORY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SAY WE HAVE SIX, BUT THEY'RE NOT ANYTHING ANYBODY CAN USE UNLESS IT'S EIGHT U. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE TO MENTION, BUT TO ME IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING WHEN IF YOU'RE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, YOU CAN'T PLAY ON THOSE FIELDS. 
          I MEAN, OTHERWISE WHEN YOU GO TO MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT'S LIKE YOU'S LIKE YOU'RE GOING FROM AN INDOOR SOCCER FIELD TO A REGULAR, BECAUSE THE, THE GYM, THE UM, LIKE AN EIGHT U IS 75 TO 105 LONG BY 45 TO 75 FEET WIDE. 
          THAT'S EVERY ONE OF OUR FIELDS. 
          YOU GET TO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REPORTS, THE REPORT, BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE DOING INVENTORY TO ME, WE, WE NEED TO BE INVENTORYING. 
          WHERE ARE WE CATERING TO? ARE WE CATERING TO, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTARY KIDS, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL? THAT WAY WHEN WE KNOW WE, WE NEED TO GO BUILD SOME FIELDS, ARE WE GONNA BUILD MORE EIGHT U FIELDS? ARE WE GONNA GO BUILD? AND SAME WITH BASEBALL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DO, BUT IF EVERYTHING WE HAVE ON INVENTORY IS ALL FOR 10 U THEN WHAT DO WE DO FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOLERS? NOW IF ALL OF THEM ARE HIGH SCHOOL REGULATION, BUT NOT COLLEGE, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL BECAUSE OUTFIELDS 20 FEET TOO SHALLOW OR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE PICKED UP ON. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE INVENTORY BECAUSE WHAT ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SIX CARS, BUT FOUR OF 'EM DON'T WORK. 
          SO REALLY YOU GOT 
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TWO. 
          AND SO HOW MANY OF THIS IS ACTUALLY USABLE THAT THE MOST OF OUR POPULATION CAN USE? CORRECT. 
          AND YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT IS SOCCER'S A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE THE FIELDS ARE REARRANGED. 
          SO SIX WAS THE, IN TALKING WITH THE ORGANIZATION, THAT WAS THE NUMBER THEY WANTED TO USE. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS THEIR MOST COMMON LAYOUT. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THEM BECAUSE I THOUGHT BEFORE YOU HADN'T TALKED TO SOCCER. 
          SO YOU GUYS WENT BACK AND TALKED TO THEM. 
          WE, WE HAVE ORIG. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK TO FOOTBALL. 
          OH, FOOTBALL. 
          WE DID TALK WITH SOCCER BECAUSE I'D GO BACK AND TALK TO 'EM AND GO, DO YOU GUYS WANT, WHEN YOU SAY SIX, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY OKAY PLAYING ON FIELDS? HALF THE SIZE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THEY WERE CONTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF FIELDS THEY HAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WHICH YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HEAR A LOT FROM YOUTH ATHLETICS. 
          SO THAT WAS, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE SO MULTIPURPOSE THAT THEY CAN SHIFT FIELDS AND, AND REALLY SINCE THEY HAVE JUST A LARGE OPEN SPACE, THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I DO THINK IF YOU WENT TO GO BUILD SIZE SPECIFIC, IT WOULD YES, MOST DEFINITELY SIT DOWN WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND TALK THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE I'VE SEEN FRISCO DID THIS, BUT I'VE SEEN WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE TWO OVERSIZED, YOU KNOW, LIKE COLLEGE FIELDS, BUT THEN THEY CAN BE SPLIT UP INTO FOUR, SAY U 14 AND THAT COULD BE SPLIT UP INTO EIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          U 10. 
          AND SO THEN THEY HOLD TOURNAMENTS AND STUFF AND THEY BRING PEOPLE IN. 
          AND I THINK TO ME PERSONALLY, I THINK WE CAN ADD SOME BASEBALL FIELDS APPROPRIATELY AND THEN BRING, HAVE A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE INSTEAD OF ALWAYS LEAVING. 
          BUT THEN I THINK YOUR MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, I, I WOULD KEEP ALL BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL TOGETHER JUST BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT AN 8-YEAR-OLD AND A 12-YEAR-OLD, YOU DON'T WANNA BE DRIVING ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          BUT I THINK THE SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR SOCCER AND LIKE FLAG FOOTBALL, LACROSSE, THEY CAN ALL BE IN THE SAME AREA BECAUSE THEY USE THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS. 
          AND YOU CAN FLIP IT ON AND SAY WE'RE HAVING A FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT THIS WEEKEND. 
          EVERYBODY'S THERE, YOU'RE STILL PLAYING SOCCER. 
          OR YOU CAN HAVE A SOCCER AND YOU CAN MOVE IT ALL AROUND. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK DEFINITELY, UM, WE NEED MORE FIELDS. 
          UM, WE'VE GOTTA KEEP THE PEOPLE HERE AND KEEP 'EM ACTIVE. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE, I THINK OUR AVERAGE AGE, I WANNA SAY IT'S LIKE 35 OR 50% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE 35 OR YOUNGER. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT OF THE R 2024 DASH ONE 30 REPORT AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND IT MOTION BY COUNCILOR CLARK, SECOND BY COUNCILOR THORNTON. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAD ONE. 
          I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE SOCCER FIELD. 
          SO IF I LOOK AT PAGE 23 OF THE REPORT, IT SAYS THERE'S SIX SOCCER FIELDS AND IT LISTS 2 75 FOOT 1 201 2 25, 1 300, 1 3 10. 
          IS THAT HOW THEY CONFIGURE A TYPICAL LIKE SOCCER DAY? THEY KIND OF CONFIGURE THAT FIELD IN, IN, IN THOSE CONFIGURATIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S HOW THEY USE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S HOW THEY USE IT. 
          BUT IT, I BUT IT DOES CHANGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE PORTABLE GOALPOSTS. 
          IT CHANGES VERY OFTEN, BUT THEY CHANGE. 
          BUT THAT IS THE HOW, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE OF 300 FOOT ONES, COUPLE OF 200 FOOT ONES, AND A COUPLE OF 70 FIVES IS HOW THEY KIND OF USE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SOME OF THOSE ARE OVERLAPPED , ARE THEY? OKAY. 
          IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SOCCER'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED IN THAT IT'S HARD TO KIND OF QUANTIFY AN EXACT AMOUNT BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE, BUT THAT IS HOW IT'S DESIGNED. 
          AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, THEY BUILD FIELDS AND THEN YOU CAN ROTATE 'EM 90 DEGREES AND IT'S MEANT TO BE. 
          BUT I THINK THERE, IF YOU BUILD, IF YOU DO ONE FIELD THAT'S FOR HIGH SCHOOLERS, YOU CAN'T DO ANY OTHER FIELDS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE ARE SOME FIELDS THAT AREN'T. 
          BASICALLY IT TAKES OUT FIVE FIELDS TO DO ONE FOR HIGH SCHOOL. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IF YOU KEEP IT YOUNG, YOU CAN HAVE SIX MULTIPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANKS HUNTER. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          AYE. 
          A AYE MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A AYE WISH AND PASSES SEVEN ZERO. 
          ANY OTHER ACTION FOR THIS ITEM? YOU SAID THERE WAS THREE BIG QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE WANNA GROUP 'EM HOW MUCH WE WANNA SPEND IN REGULATION? DO WE WANNA KEEP 'EM AT REGULATION SIZE OR GET CLOSE TO IT? WE TRYING TO MAKE OTHER QUESTION TO DUMP THE STUDY, NOT TO DISCUSS THAT TODAY. 
          THAT WAS THE ASK THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          ALRIGHT, WE MOVE ON. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A, UM, ITEM I GUESS TO TALK ABOUT DETAILS OF THAT'S, I MEAN WE CAN'T, IT'S CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ADOPTING THE STUDY. 
          AND PART OF WHAT HE SAID PART OF THE STUDY, THEY HAD THREE BIG QUESTIONS OUTTA THE STUDY. 
          IF WE WANNA GROUP 'EM THE BUDGET AND HOW WE 
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WANNA SIZE 'EM. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF WE DON'T DO IT TODAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE GUYS GO ON AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS. 
          IF WE DON'T SAY WE WANT 'EM GROUPED, WE WANNA STAY ROUGHLY REGULATION SIZE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OTHERWISE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA BRING BACK? JUST SOMETHING. 
          WELL, YEAH, AT THIS POINT THAT'S, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION, UM, OF WHAT, HOW YOU WANNA WORK THROUGH THOSE PRIORITIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT . 
          YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THAT ON SATURDAY? MAYBE? CAN YOU, CAN YOU REMEMBER THOSE QUESTIONS? OH YEAH. 
          FOR SATURDAY? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          MAY I, I KIND OF CUT THE TAIL END OF THAT CONVERSATION, SO I'M SORRY, BUT I, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS ITEM IS ON THE CIP, UH, FOR FUTURE YEARS. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER ON SATURDAY IS WHAT SCALE OR OPTIONS YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS ITEM 12 
          [12.2. Consideration and possible action to approve Resolution No. R-2024-134 to award a Depository Services contract to Wells Fargo Bank and authorizing the City Manager to execute the contract and all necessary agreements (Alberta Barrett)]
TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 34 TO AWARD A DEPOSITORY SERVICES CONTRACT TO WELLS FARGO BANK AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND ALL NECESSARY AGREEMENTS. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          UH, ALSO, UH, WITH US THIS EVENING IS MR. ALANDA HUNTS WITH VALLEY VIEW CONSULTING. 
          SO, UM, PER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO SOLICIT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, UM, AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          AND OUR CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 24. 
          UM, AT THAT POINT WE REACHED OUT TO VALLEYVIEW TO KIND OF HELP US WITH THIS APPLICATION AND SOLICITATION PROCESS, WHICH WE STARTED IN MARCH OF 24. 
          UH, WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS, THE ADVERTISEMENTS, UM, WE OPENED ON MAY 3RD. 
          UH, WE RECEIVED TWO APPLICATIONS. 
          ONE, UH, WELLS FARGO AND ONE REGIONS BANK. 
          AFTER THE ANALYSIS AND REVIEW OF BOTH APPLICATIONS, UM, IT WAS APPARENT THAT WELLS FARGO IS THE MORE, UM, BENEFICIAL, UM, BANK DEPOSITORY FOR THE CITY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO GET APPROVAL TO ISSUE A CONTRACT WITH WELLS FARGO. 
          UH, WE WANNA DO THREE, EXCUSE ME, TWO INITIAL YEARS AND THEN THREE OPTIONAL ONE YEAR FOR OUR TOTAL OF FIVE. 
          UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ORLANDO'S HERE THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OR, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ANALYSIS QUESTIONS FROM COUNSELOR ACTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE R 2024 DASH 1 34 AS PRESENTED SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR CLARK, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER LAR DISCUSSION. 
          SO THE ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU, UM, 'CAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS IS THE AGREEMENT WE HAD BEFORE IS ESSENTIALLY WE GOT NO MONEY TO THE CITY. 
          IT'S JUST IF AS LONG AS WE COVERED OUR BANK FEES, THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WAS LOST. 
          SO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GONE OUT AND DONE THIS AND WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POTENTIAL OF GETTING ANOTHER $800,000 TO THE CITY THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HEY, APPRECIATE THIS. 
          WHY WE, YOU KNOW, GLAD WE'VE HIRED YOU TO BE OUR, YOU KNOW, CFO AND BRINGING THESE OPPORTUNITIES AND, AND FOUND THIS THAT'S INCREASING REVENUE WITHOUT TAXING OUR CITIZENS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I MISS , WE ARE GETTING 800,000 MORE, OR WE CAN GET 800,000 MORE BASED ON THE INTEREST RATE AND OUR AVERAGE BALANCE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE REVENUE THAT WE SHOULD SEE. 
          OH, SUCH AS INTEREST EARNED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ARE WE NOT DOING TREASURY BILLS AND THE OTHER INVESTMENTS WE DID PREVIOUSLY? YES, WE STILL DO THOSE, BUT THIS IS THE INTEREST THAT WE HAVE, UM, WITH A DEPOSITORY BANK IN THIS CASE, WELLS FARGO, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM BEFORE, WE WEREN'T GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF, UH, WE, WE ONLY HAD TWO PEOPLE RESPOND BACK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE SENT FIVE APPLICATIONS OUT. 
          WE RECEIVED TWO FIVE. 
          WHICH BANKS? UM, THEY WERE, UM, BANK OF AMERICA, JP MORGAN CHASE, PNC BANK, REGIONS BANK IN WELLS FARGO. 
          SO DID OTHER BANKS KNOW THAT WE WERE DOING THIS OR JUST THE BANKS THAT WE SENT THIS STUFF TO? WELL, WE PUT IT AS AN ADVERTISEMENT. 
          SO, AND IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          SO IF THEY WERE LOOKING, THEY, THEY WOULD KNOW. 
          AND WE ONLY CONTACTED, WE SENT IT TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS IN OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          WE DIDN'T CONTACT BANKS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          HOW COME WE DIDN'T CONTACT BANKS OUTSIDE TO SEE LIMITS? SINCE IT'S A BIG METRO AREA AND WE'RE A SMALL TOWN, UM, JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD FIVE THAT ARE LOCAL. 
          SO KEEP OUR MONEY HERE IN HU 
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OKAY. 
          I'M CON I'LL BE HONEST, I'M COMPLETELY CONFUSED BY THAT WHOLE THING BECAUSE WELLS FARGO'S NOT LOCAL. 
          THEY GOT A LOCAL BRANCH, BUT THEY'RE OUTTA SAN FRANCISCO. 
          AND IF WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          EVERY TIME WE SEND A BID OUT, NO ONE, NO ONE RESPONDS. 
          AND IT ALMOST MAKES ME FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING AS A CITY. 
          THIS ISN'T JUST YOU, THIS IS ROADS, PARKS, SOMETIMES WE GET BIDS, NOBODY EVEN RESPONDS BACK. 
          SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YOU WOULD THINK WITH ALL THE TRANSACTIONS WE'RE GONNA DO THAT THERE'D BE ALL THESE BANKS WOULD GO, YEAH, LET'S DO IT. 
          BUT I COULD SEE WHERE CHASE IS SO BIG, WE DON'T MEAN NOTHING. 
          BUT THEN I DO WONDER, WHAT ABOUT THE VERA BANKS AND THE REGIONAL BANKS? WOULD THEY BE MORE INTERESTED IN GIVING US OTHER SERVICES ON OUR BENEFITS? BUT IF WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA REACH OUT TO 'EM AND WE THROW AN AD IN THE TAYLOR PRESS, WHICH HAS A DECENT FOLLOWING IN HU AND TAYLOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF AUSTIN AT, UM, YOU KNOW, BANK OF TEXAS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN TAYLOR PRESS. 
          BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE BETTER FOR US TO FIND A WAY TO CAST A WIDE NET AND GET ALL THE BENEFITS AND WE CAST A SHORT ONE AND THEN WE GET TWO PEOPLE COME BACK AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, HERE'S THE BEST OF TWO. 
          BUT IT'S JUST BANKING ON THIS ONE. 
          BUT THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE GOT A CREDIT CARD ISSUE BECAUSE IF YOU ASK TWO PEOPLE, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, TWO DEALS NOT WORTH IT. 
          BUT, SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING OUT. 
          I JUST WISH WE HAD A WAY TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN HUDA. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT, SO IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, WE'RE APPROVING THIS TONIGHT. 
          IF IT PASSES AND THEN WE WOULDN'T SEE IT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS AND THEN WE WOULD APPROVE ON A YEAR BY YEAR. 
          THIS IS APPROVING TWO YEARS, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          THIS THE INITIALS FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN WE, WE HAD THE OPTION TO DO THREE ONE YEARS AND THEN AT THE OPTION, IS THAT A COUNCIL DECISION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OR IS THAT A STAFF DECISION AT THOSE? NO, IT'D BE A COUNCIL DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          END OF DISCUSSION. 
          HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          AYE NAY. 
          MAYOR . 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THOMPSON AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          NEXT 
          [12.3. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-135 scheduling a public hearing to consider amendments to the Land Use Assumptions and a Capital Improvements plan for Water and Wastewater under which an impact fee may be imposed within the City; directing the City Secretary to publish notice of said public hearing; and directing the Capital Improvement Advisory Committee to consider and make recommendations on the amendments to the Water and Wastewater Land Use Assumptions and Capital Improvements Plan (Matt Rector)]
WE HAVE, WE HAVE ITEM 12 THREE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 35, SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO DELAY USE ASSUMPTIONS AND A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER UNDER WHICH AN IMPACT FEE MAY BE IMPOSED WITHIN THE CITY. 
          DIRECTING THE CITY SECRETARY TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF SAID PUBLIC HEARING AND DIRECTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          HELLO, MATT. 
          WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? ? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD. 
          MATT RECTOR, THE CITY ENGINEER. 
          UH, SO AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, WE HAVE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, UM, AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE TO UPDATE THOSE AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM IS, IS BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE P AND Z, WHICH YOU GUYS HAD DEDICATED, YOU HAD DIRECTED THEM PREVIOUSLY TO SERVE AS YOUR CIAC, YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. 
          AND SO THE FIRST ITEM, THIS IS THE FIRST OF THREE THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, IS TO, UH, SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ON THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE UPDATE, AND THEN TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FOLLOW STATE LAW TO GET THOSE IN PLACE. 
          AND, AND TO, UH, TO BETTER EXPOUND ON ALL THIS, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, LANCE PARISHIONER FROM KIMLEY HORN, AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO HIM AND, AND HE CAN TALK YOU THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. 
          MAYOR. 
          UM, AS MATT SAID, I'M LANCE PARER WITH KIMLEY HORN. 
          I HAVE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF AND THE CIAC TO DEVELOP THE UPDATES TO THE CAPITAL. 
          UM, UH, I'M SORRY, THE IMPACT FEES OF VER HATO FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UM, JUST A RECAP ON WHERE WE ARE. 
          WE'VE, UH, WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS ABOUT LAST DECEMBER. 
          WE'VE HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ADV ADVISORY COMMISSION WORKED A LOT WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH THIS AND EVALUATE A LOT OF HISTORICAL DATA AND THE, THE, UM, ADOPTED AND APPROVED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY CITY OF HU AND THE MASTER PLANS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          SO WE DID, LAST JANUARY, WE, WE WENT OVER, UH, SERVICE AREAS AND GROWTH RATES WITH THE CIAC. 
          THEN IN APRIL WE WENT OVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR THE IMPACT FEE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY LAST TUESDAY, WE DEVELOPED AND PRESENTED OUR, UH, DRAFT REPORT AND IMPACT FEE 
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THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS YEAR'S UPDATE. 
          AND Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, OUR DRAFT REPORT TOO AS WELL. 
          SO GONNA KINDA KEEP THIS A LITTLE BIT HIGH LEVEL, BUT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THE REPORT TOO AS, AS THINGS COME UP. 
          UH, FIRST OFF, Y'ALL SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE WATER, UH, SERVICE AREA IS NOT THE SAME AS THE, THE, UH, CITY LIMITS AND THE WASTEWATER SERVICE AREA IS ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE ETJ ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GROWTH RATES TOO, YOU MAY SEE SOME DIFF YOU WILL SEE SOME DIFFERENT NUMBERS. 
          THEY'RE ALL ROUGHLY CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT WATER HAS ITS OWN WASTEWATER HAS ITS OWN, AND TRANSPORTATION MAY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ONE TOO. 
          AND THIS IS DUE TO THE SHAPES OF THESE THINGS AND BUILD OUTS OF 'EM. 
          UM, SO ONTO ONTO THAT, THE, THE SERVICE SERVICE AREAS WERE APPROVED BY THE CIEC. 
          UM, WHAT WE DID ON THIS, WE ESTABLISHED THE GROWTH RATES AFTER THAT. 
          AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS ABOUT 10.45% FOR WATER, AND THEN 10 POINT 89% WATER FOR, UH, WASTEWATER WITH THE ADDITIONAL SERVICE UNITS, UH, LISTED THERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 17,000 FOR WATER AND 24,000 FOR, UH, WASTEWATER. 
          THIS IS OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD. 
          OKAY? AND WHAT WE DID WITH THAT IS WE, WE, AGAIN, WE COMPARED, UM, THE PAST COUPLE YEARS OF HISTORICAL DATA TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE MASTER PLANS AND ESTABLISHED, UM, OUR GROWTH RATES BASED ON, BASED ON THOSE THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, GOT, GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES ON HERE IS, UH, FROM OUR APRIL PRESENTATION. 
          I DIDN'T PUT THE NUMBER, THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON THESE, THEY'RE IN THE PACKETS, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE, THIS IS THE 10 YEAR CIP FOR THE WATER SIDE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S 16 PROJECTS ROUGHLY ABOUT THAT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS CAN KIND OF CHANGE OVER TIME, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THINGS GET BID DIFFERENTLY OR, OR WHATNOT ON THIS. 
          AND YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG WHERE SOME OF THE SOURCE WATER'S COMING FROM AND HOW IT'S BEING PUSHED AROUND THE CITY OVER THE NEXT 10 YEAR HORIZON. 
          AND SO WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE ESTABLISH THE RECOVERABLE COST IS WHAT IS THAT CAPACITY THAT'S GONNA BE USED UP IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? WHAT NEW GROWTH IS GONNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CAPACITY OF IT? AND WHAT ARE THOSE RECOVERABLE DOLLARS? SO WATER HAS THAT, THAT AMOUNT. 
          WASTEWATER, WASTEWATER IN THIS NEXT PLANNING PERIOD IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S HU HOWTOS, A DESIRABLE CITY, A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS COMING HERE. 
          AND THE CITY'S INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO THAT AND TO HELP SUPPORT AND PAY BACK. 
          UM, THESE, THESE CAPITAL EXPENSES, THE IMPACTS FEES ACROSS THIS WILL BE HELPING Y'ALL PAY DOWN THAT DEBT ON THIS. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S A LIST OF 48 PROJECTS WITHIN THE WASTEWATER. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A WASTEWATER HEAVY PROJECT, UH, CYCLE. 
          THIS GO AROUND IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, NEXT IS, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST, UH, UH, TUESDAY. 
          SO LET ME JUST REMIND EVERYONE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          UM, THE, THE, THE, IT'S A SIMPLE EQUATION THERE IS THE 10 YEAR RECOVERABLE COST OF THE IMPACT FEE, CIP DIVIDED BY THE 10 YEAR SERVICE UNIT PROJECTION ADDITIONS IN THIS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A BALANCE TOO. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATED TOGETHER TOO. 
          THAT RECOVERABLE COST IS RELATED ALSO TO THE SERVICE UNIT PROJECTIONS ON THIS. 
          SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN THIS, AFTER WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF ON COMING UP WITH, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE EXPECTED PROJECT COSTS? HOW MUCH CAPACITY ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING AT USING IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? AND THEN DEBT SERVICES, FINANCING AND INTEREST AND OTHER CREDITS THAT GO INTO IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ROUGHLY 117 MILLION IN, IN, UH, WATER, THEN OVER 300 MILLION IN WASTEWATER. 
          AND IF YOU DIVIDE THOSE OUT WITH THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAD, YOUR NEW IMPACT FEE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS IS 6,808 FOR WATER AND 12,670 FOR WASTEWATER. 
          SO, UM, WATER ACTUALLY WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM YOUR CURRENT ONE, BUT WASTEWATER HAS GONE UP AND THAT'S DUE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LARGE SERVICE AREA AND THE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE GROWTH THAT'S COMING HERE AND TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH AS WELL. 
          SO, AND INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THAT, SO HERE'S KIND OF A REGIONAL COMPARISON. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE, UM, ON THE DECK. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HUDU PROPOSED, IF YOU CAN READ THAT. 
          MY APOLOGIES FOR IT BEING SMALL WHERE YOU LAND. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE HIGHER END, BUT PFLUGERVILLE GEORGETOWN ARE, ARE RIGHT THERE WITH US. 
          UH, NEW BRAUNFELS AND PFLUGERVILLE, THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS. 
          YOU GO EAST, THEIRS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, THAN THAN US. 
          SO, AND THEN YOU CAN KINDA LOOK UP THE LIST AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES AS WELL ON THIS TO SEE WHERE YOU PAIR UP. 
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SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY CLARIFICATIONS? I DO. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK? I THINK IT'S ONE SLIDE. 
          SO THE 17 2 19, IS THAT L LUE? YES, IT'S, WE WE'RE CALLING THEM SERVICE UNITS, BUT YEAH, ONE ONE LUE IS ONE SERVICE UNIT IS ONE HOUSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT 17, IS THE CURRENT NUMBER GROWING AT 10.45% A YEAR FOR 10 YEARS, CORRECT. 
          TO GET TO 17? CORRECT. 
          SEE, SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT NUMBER IS TOO, IT'S TOO HIGH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULD MAKE OUR IMPACT FEE ON WATER BE TOO LOW. 
          AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I'M ALWAYS WONDERING IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP OF THE, UM, THE, UH, CCN FOR THE WATER. 
          SO, OH, CC, YOUR ASSUMPTION, WELL, YOU, YOU WERE JUST ON THERE, THAT LAST ONE IF YOU GO BACK TO OKAY. 
          GO FORWARD TWO SLIDES. 
          IT HAD IT RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WITH YOUR PROJECTIONS, YOU'RE SAYING IN 6.88 YEARS, WE'RE DOUBLING OUR WATER LUS IN THE CITY. 
          IN THE CCN. 
          AND I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED, AND I HAVEN'T EVER GOT IT AT WHAT POINT YOU CAN, I MEAN, YOU COULD EVENTUALLY WE'LL TEAR DOWN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND PUT UP A DUPLEX OR SOMETHING, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE RUN OUT OF THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE LUE AND WATER? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND. 
          IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. 
          SO TO ME, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE ALMOST GROWING IT TOO MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS CAUSING OUR WATER IMPACT FEES TO BE TOO LOW MATHEMATICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DOUBLE OUR WATER LUS IN THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF DEVELOPABLE LAND. 
          IF WE WERE JONAH, I'D SAY ABSOLUTELY. 
          THEY'VE GOT A HUGE AREA. 
          BUT SURE. 
          I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE. 
          BUT HOW FAR OFF AM I, I MEAN, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS AREA THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNDEVELOPED, IT'S A HIGH SCHOOL. 
          YOU'VE GOT SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN HERE. 
          SO OTHER THAN OUR MEGA SITE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY AND THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, ALMOST ALL THE LAND IS ALREADY MM-HMM. 
           IN CONSTRUCTION ALREADY BUILT AND IT'S GOT SURE. 
          UH, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA DOUBLE IT, WHICH SURE. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR LIKE THOSE DETAILS GO, THIS, THOSE, THOSE PROJECTIONS, THOSE INCREASES IN DENSITY, THEY ALL, WE, WE TOOK THAT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FROM THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS ON THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING BY. 
          AND THEY'RE SHOWING A 20 YEAR APPROACH OF ADD ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, LUE AND KEEP BRINGING UP EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP. 
          I KEEP GOING. 
          YOU CAN'T GROW THE WATER INDEFINITELY. 
          AT SOME POINT IT'S GOTTA, RIGHT. 
          IT HAS TO FLATLINE. 
          'CAUSE YOU, I MEAN, LOOK AT THE MAP. 
          THERE'S ONLY FOR THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN ARGUING, CAN SOMEONE SHOW ME WHEN WE FLATLINE AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, THE GUYS THAT DID THE WATER WASTEWATER PLAN, IT GOES STRAIGHT UP LIKE THIS FOR THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS. 
          I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'RE LIKE, EVERYTHING SOUTHWEST 79 IS GONNA BE BUILT OUT IN THE NEXT LIKE FIVE YEARS. 
          IT'S ALL UNDER CONTRACT. 
          WE GOT A PLAN. 
          THEY'RE WORKING ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          I MEAN, SEE MANAGER, HOW FAR OFF AM I, I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, CAN YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA AFFECT OUR FINANCING WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPACT FEES. 
          BECAUSE IF WE STICK AT A 10.5% GROWTH OR 10.45 AND YOU GUYS, SOMEONE COMES BACK IN FOUR YEARS AND GOES, WELL, IT'S BUILT OUT. 
          THAT AFFECTS OUR BONDING WE JUST PUT OUT AND WHICH I BROUGHT IN THEM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT AFFECTS THIS, THAT AFFECTS LIKE EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. 
          WE JUST KEEP SAYING WE'RE GONNA GROW WATER INDEFINITELY. 
          SURE. 
          UH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING ON THAT. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THING TO NOTE ON THIS, KINDA LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, IS THE, THE SERVICE PROJECTIONS TOO. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY THE, IS IT THE FEE THAT'S ANY CONCERN ON THIS? OR IS IT JUST THAT I THINK IT'S TOO LOW. 
          YOU THINK IT'S TOO LOW, BUT ONE, I MEAN, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DROPPING OUR WATER IMPACT FEE. 
          AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE OVER PROJECTING GROWTH THAT WE CAN'T, WE PHYSICALLY CAN'T HIT. 
          AND SO YOU CAN'T COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND WHAT WE DO DO IT. 
          BUT YOU COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND GO YEAH. 
          MIGHT HAVE DID THAT WRONG. 
          UM, WE HAVE A NEW CALCULATION SURE. 
          BUT NOW WE HAVE FIVE YEARS OF MONEY WE DIDN'T CAPTURE, SO. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU MADE THE GROWTH BE 8%, THEN THE, THE IMPACT FEE GOES UP. 
          WELL, SO ON THAT THOUGH, UM, IT'S A, THERE'S A, THIS IS HOW THEY'RE RELATED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SAY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REDUCE THE GROWTH RATE AND WE HAVE A, A, A LOWER SERVICE UNIT PROJECTION, SAY 10,000. 
          YOUR RECOVERABLE COST ALSO GOES DOWN WITH THAT AS, AS WELL YOUR, YOUR, UH, CAPACITY THAT YOU'RE USING. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE, THIS IS GROWTH PAYING FOR GROWTH, RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE PIPE, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THE PUMPS, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT, WHATEVER, WHAT'S NEEDED. 
          BUT IN THAT 10 YEARS, IF IT'S NOT COMPLETELY 
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COVERED, THEN THAT, THAT RECOVERABLE COST WILL GO DOWN. 
          AND SOMETIMES THAT I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK IN FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO BUILD ALL THESE CIP PROJECTS ANYWAY. 
          'CAUSE IN FIVE YEARS WE BUILT IT OUT. 
          WE BUILT OUT OUR CN LET'S SAY IN FIVE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SPEND 117 MILLION REGARDLESS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU ARE JUST NOT GONNA GET 17,000 UNITS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE BUILT OUT. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          BUT I MEAN, DEBATE THIS EVERY YEAR, AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE FLAT LINE. 
          LIKE WHAT YEAR DO WE NO LONGER INCREASE OUR CC, OUR OUR, UH, L LUS AND OUR CN IT CAN'T GO ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT MAYOR, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE OTHER POINT THAT YOU'RE MISSING THAT I DON'T, I THINK YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THAT GOES ON THIS STATE LAW FOR THE CAPITAL RECOVERY IS BASED ON INCREMENTAL GROWTH ABOVE. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE 117 MILLION, IF YOU SAY IT, IT CHANGES. 
          THEY CAN'T MAKE THE NUMBER BE 117 BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT ADDING THAT MUCH COST TO THE LINE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD THROUGH THIS AREA. 
          IF YOU SAY THE LUE LUMBER IS LOWER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE TOP NUMBER WOULD DROP TO SAY YOU CAN ONLY RECOVER BY STATE LAW 70 MILLION AND YOU'VE GOT 10 MILLION, WHICH MEANS YOUR MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE IMPACT FEE IS THE SAME NUMBER, IS ABOUT THE SAME. 
          THAT'S THE , THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY. 
          IT BALANCES ON BOTH SIDES. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU KEEP ARGUING ABOUT ONE. 
          AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IF YOU LOWER THAT, THE OTHER ONE GOES DOWN TWO. 
          SO IT IT'S AN ALGEBRA EQUATION. 
          WELL, AND THEN ALGEBRA YOU USE, I GUESS IT'S MORE LIKE, I'D LIKE TO USE FACTUAL INFORMATION SURE. 
          AND THEN SEE THE NUMBERS. 
          I GUESS ONE OF DON'T MATTER, ONE OF THE THINGS ON THIS IS LIKE THE LAG ON STUFF, AND SORRY, YOU WAG AND I'M NOT IN THE WAGYU. 
          I REALLY WANNA KNOW IS HOW MUCH WATER DO WE ACTUALLY LEGITIMATELY THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE USING IN 10 YEARS? YEAH. 
          AND THEN WHATEVER THE TOP NUMBER IS, THEN YOU HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER. 
          BUT IF YOU JUST ARE JUST, IF WE'RE WAGGING ON THE NUMBER SAYING WE'RE GONNA GET TO A CERTAIN LIMIT YES. 
          AND IT IT'S NOT GONNA GROW TO THAT NUMBER, THEN WELL, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE JUST MAKING DECISIONS HERE BASED ON INACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          I DIDN'T DO A FULL BLOWN LAND USE ANALYSIS. 
          WE TOOK THAT FROM THE ALREADY ADOPTED THINGS. 
          SO, AND THEY'RE SHOWING THAT IS WHAT WE BASED THIS ON THE PROJECTIONS AND THEY'RE SHOWING WELL BEYOND 10 YEARS. 
          OH, I KNOW. 
          EXTRA GROSS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          YOU MAKE A BAD ASSUMPTION ONE DAY AND THEN EVERYTHING KEEPS USING THE SAME BAD INFORMATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I ARGUED IT THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY HIM AND I, I COULD SAY IT WAS RAINING OUTSIDE AND YOU'D BE WET AND HE'D SAY IT'S SUNNY. 
          BUT MY POINT IS, AT SOME POINT SOMEONE AROUND HERE HAS TO SHOW US WHEN THAT LITTLE BITTY CCN IS NO LONGER GROWING. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING, WE JUST SOLD 300 MILLION IN BONDS BASED ON A GROWTH RATE THAT I DON'T THINK CAN HIT THAT. 
          AND NO ONE WILL EVER SHOW ME, WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY LIKES TO PROVE ME WRONG, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN SAY IT, BUT I NEED A PROFESSIONAL TO SHOW US AT SOME POINT, WHERE DOES IT FLATLINE? AND MAYBE IT'S IN 15 YEARS, MAYBE IT'S IN 20, MAYBE IT'S IN SIX YEARS, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT YEAH, YOU CAN'T KEEP DOUBLING AT, AT A 10.45 GROWTH IN 10 YEARS. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE GROWING THIS ONE AND A HALF TIMES SURE. 
          IN AN AREA MASS THAT'S, WE'RE ONLY GOT LIKE 25% OF OUR LAND MASS LEFT. 
          SO HOW DO YOU GROW ONE AND A HALF TIMES THE USAGE WITH 25% OF LAND MASS? UNLESS YOU GO SUPER DENSE. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT DOING DENSE, WE'RE DOING INDUSTRIAL. 
          YEAH, I GOTCHA. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S THAT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          I NOT NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          I'M NOT LIKE A, A FINANCE, I DON'T HAVE A MASTER'S IN FINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I JUST SEE NUMBERS AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR WATER, WITH ALL THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING YEAH. 
          HOW OUR WATER IMPACT IS GOING DOWN WITH INFORMATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. 
          IT'S, YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE ADOPTED INFORMATION THAT WE HAD THAT WE BA USED BASIS STUDY ON. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          BUT, UM, ONE OTHER, ONE THING WITH HUD O2 IS THE WATER SUPPLY. 
          THERE'S INCREMENTAL, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES ACQUISITIONS OF WATER THAT WILL NEED TO OCCUR TOO FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES AS WELL. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S THE PUSH WE COULD GROW OUR LUE. 
          'CAUSE IF OUR LU STOP IN SIX YEARS, WE DON'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT WE HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE NEED ALL THE WATER WE'RE THINKING WE NEED IN EIGHT YEARS? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE YOU GOTTA PUMP IT TO SOMEBODY. 
          AND WE ALREADY BEEN IN A POSITION BEFORE WHERE WE WERE PAYING FOR MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER WE WEREN'T USING AND WE GREW OUT OF THAT. 
          BUT NOW WE'RE PLANNING ON ALL THIS WATER, BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN IF WE'RE GONNA USE IT. 
          SURE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING IMPACT FEES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT'S BEEN REALLY COMMON ON THIS TOO, IS IT'S LIKE GROWTH GROWTH IS DIFFICULT TO, UM, PREDICT. 
          AND SOME OF THE COSTS, SOME, MAYBE, MAYBE IF THINGS SLOWED DOWN OR THINGS LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, THE IMPACT FEES CAN BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR TOO. 
          AND THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT MORE AND MORE JUST TO KEEP UP WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN PRICING AS WELL. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING FOR NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WE'VE, WE'VE USED ALL THE ADOPTED CITY MATERIALS, 
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YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? AND IF THINGS AREN'T MOVING ACCORDING TO PLAN, THEN THEY CAN BE ADJUSTED, YOU KNOW, LATER ON. 
          THIS IS JUST, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, OUR BEST, BEST ATTEMPT AT THE NEXT, UH, 10 YEAR PLAN FOR THE FIVE YEAR IMPACT FEE STUDY. 
          SO YOU SAID THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF OF WHICH DOCUMENTS? THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS AND THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS. 
          AND SO WHO DID THOSE STUDIES FOR US? IT WAS FREEZE GARVER, GARVER FREEZE NICHOLS DID THE WATER MASTER PLAN. 
          GARVER DID THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. 
          THE COMP PLAN IS BEING DONE BY ALSO FRIES AND NICHOLS. 
          YES. 
          AND SO THEIR GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS IN THERE ARE WHAT YOU'RE DEPENDING ON. 
          YES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE MAYOR SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR'S ARGUING IS HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THEIR NUMBERS. 
          THOSE ARE WRONG. 
          AND SO DO WE NEED TO GET WITH THOSE, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND ASK THEM WHERE THEY CAME, CAME UP WITH THEIR NUMBERS AND HOW THEY CALCULATED IT? I MEAN, WELL, I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. 
          I'D EITHER LOVE TO PROVE HIM RIGHT. 
          OR PROVE HIM WRONG. 
          BUT, BUT I'M, BUT I, I, I, WE'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO BE WRONG TOO, BECAUSE MY GOD, WE'RE BORROWING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A WATER GRAPH THAT GOES LIKE THIS FOR 30 YEARS. 
          AND YOU GUYS ARE SMART PEOPLE. 
          LOOK AT THE CCN, LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT AND TELL ME HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET, IF YOU'RE USING 9,000 LUE NOW AND WITH 25% OF LANDMASS LEFT, HOW DO YOU SQUEEZE OUT ANOTHER 14,000 L LUE ON THAT LAST LITTLE BIT WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS? YEAH. 
          SOME OF IT'S DATA CENTER, WHICH IS GONNA USE MORE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LOT OF FINANCING ALL GOING ON, ON ONE DOCUMENT. 
          SURE. 
          THAT COULD BE, COULD BE RE-UP UPDATED. 
          AND I'D LOVE TO BE WRONG BECAUSE GOD, SOMETIMES IT'S GREAT TO BE WRONG WHEN YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT FINANCIAL ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD ADD ONE THING TOO, ABOUT THE, THE, UH, GROWTH RATES THAT WERE IN BOTH DOCUMENTS AND IS THAT THERE, THERE WERE CHUNKS OF TIME AND THREE OF 'EM OVERLAPPED WITH OUR 10 YEAR PERIOD WHERE THEY, THEY STARTED WITH A VERY HIGH GROWTH RATE AND THEN THEY DROPPED, IT WAS 18% FOR A FEW YEARS, 5% FOR A FEW YEARS, THEN 2% FOR A FEW YEARS. 
          SO IT STARTS TO TAPER DOWN OVER TIME. 
          BUT WHEN WE AVERAGE THAT OUT OVER 10 YEARS, WE'RE GETTING 10%. 
          SO I THINK THAT AFTER THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, IT'S GONNA, IT'S EXPECTED TO NOT CONTINUE AT A 10% GROWTH RATE, YOU KNOW? BUT YOU ARE SEEING A DROP. 
          YES, YOU ARE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU WERE SEEING A DROP. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THIS, THIS, UH, GRAPH HAS JUST SIMPLIFIED IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS SIMPLIFIED. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION BEING MADE THAT IT'S JUST GROWING AT 10% EVERY YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE USED OUR GROWTH RATES FOREVER, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE, WE USED OUR GROWTH RATES TO GET THE, UM, 10 YEAR SERVICE UNIT PROJECTION. 
          WE USE THE MASTER PLAN ONES. 
          WE USE THE, THE START WITH THE 18% FOR WHATEVER YEARS ARE LEFT IN THAT. 
          AND THEN FIVE AND THEN TWO. 
          IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME ON BOTH OF THOSE. 
          SO AVERAGES TO 10. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE IF THAT HELPS. 
          IT'S, IT'S FASTER GROWTH RATE THAT'S DROPPING OFF AND IT'S TAPERING OFF. 
          SO I'M, YEAH, I'M HEARING YOU. 
          WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THERE IS A TAPER. 
          THERE IS A TAPER OKAY. 
          ON BOTH SIDES. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE THAT GRAPH FROM THE WATER MASTER PLAN TO SHOW US? UM, I HAVE MY  EXCEL CHART. 
          , UH, NOT, NOT HANDY. 
          LIKE PAY OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN ON WATER GROWING YEAH. 
          IS NOT TAPERING OFF. 
          LIKE IT'S, IT STARTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GROWTH RATE. 
          GROWTH RATE THOUGH. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LIKE A 18. 
          IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE GO UP, I THINK WE GO UP TO LIKE 12 POINTS. 
          WE HAVE YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? NO, GO. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          IT SAYS 12 ALL THOSE YEARS, IF YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS, WHERE I WAS GOING, YOU WOULDN'T ARGUE WITH MARITIME, THE GROWTH RATES WE'RE USING FOR OUR BOND FINANCING WE JUST DID ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE NUMBERS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE USING AND WHY. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT WHAT THE GROWTH RATE'S GONNA BE. 
          AND I VOICED MY CONCERN AND THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA VOTE, WE'RE GONNA PASS IT AND HEADS UP TO MATT AND EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT. 
          DON'T BE THE GUY THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYS, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY MORE IMPACT FEES OUTTA WATER. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. 
          SURE. 
          LANDMASS, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CREATE A HELL OF AN ISSUE. 
          AND AGAIN, I WON'T BE HERE, BUT WHOEVER'S GONNA BE HERE IS GONNA LOOK BACK AND THEY'LL CAN SAY, WELL, SOME PEOPLE HAD A CONCERN AND SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T AND, AND IT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER WATER MASTER PLAN COME UP. 
          AND I, I JUST REMEMBER THE GRAPH WENT UP. 
          'CAUSE I THINK I ASKED WADE, HE WAS HERE, UH, AS A CITY, UH, CITY ENGINEER AND I WAS LIKE, HOW DOES THE SCENE KEEP GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND, UM, ANYWAY, UH, WE GOTTA BE OUTTA HERE BY 1115. 
          I THINK , THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN. 
          YEP. 
          NOTED. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE 
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IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT ONES, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND STUFF, THAT'S TALKING, LOOKING AT OVERALL TOTAL POPULATION GROWTH OF TOTAL LUE USAGE OVER THE YEARS, AND THEN THEY AVERAGE IT OUT FOR THE GROWTH OVER THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD. 
          SO EVEN IF YOU WERE HIGH IN COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN LEAN AND THEN HIGH AGAIN, YOU GET AN AVERAGE RUN RATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR FINANCIAL CALCULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN YOU DO A, A BACK TO ZERO DATE. 
          WHEN YOU DO A CASH FLOW BACK TO CASH FLOW ZERO AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE CO THE COST OF CAPITAL IS ON DAY ONE VERSUS OVER THE 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION PERIOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S THE WAY THEY DO THE CALCULATION THERE. 
          THIS IS CAPITAL RECOVERY FEE, WHICH CAN ONLY BE THE INCREMENTAL USAGE OF THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH. 
          SO IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS. 
          THEY CAN'T BE THE SAME BECAUSE IT'S LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHY I GET FRUSTRATED WITH YOU SOMETIMES, BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU THROW OUT TWO THINGS, CONFUSE THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE NOT, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. 
          YES. 
          THEY'RE BOTH FRUITS, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING. 
          SO I'M JUST, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. 
          MOTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DIDN'T MAKE THOSE. 
          SO A MOTION HAS NOT BEEN MADE. 
          WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S MAKE A MOTION. 
          UNLESS YOU PER PROTOCOLS, YOU GOTTA ASK SOME QUESTIONS. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE A MOTION, THEN YOU ARGUE WITH ME. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R DASH 2024 DASH 1 35 AS PRESENTED SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOTION BY MAYOR POTM GORDON. 
          SECOND. 
          SECONDED BY HOUSE MAYOR LAR DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM OR ARGUING WITH THE MAYOR. 
          ANY HE'S NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. 
          . 
          IT'S GIVING A DIFFERENT NUANCE TO THE COMPLEX ISSUE HEARING, THEN PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          OH, AND WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DID YOU GUYS JUST, UH, I THINK GONNA COME BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? SO WE'RE SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE'RE DIRECTING THE CITY SECRETARY TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE, AND THEN WE'RE DIRECTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS TONIGHT, WE'RE JUST STARTING THE PROCESS. 
          BUT DO WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND THE AMOUNT? YEAH, SORRY. 
          WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND THE AMOUNT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WE JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN INCREASE. 
          YOU CAN JUST SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN WE MOVE THE WINDOW OR ALL THE SCREENS JUST WENT OFF? OH, IT'S JUST, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU POWERPOINT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          AYE APPEAL. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION AND PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 FOUR CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 36. 
          SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO DELAY AND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          DIRECTING THE CITY SECRETARY TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF SAID PUBLIC HEARING AND DIRECTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS TO LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE. 
          GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A REPEAT HERE EXCEPT WE'RE GONNA FLIP IT FROM WATER AND WASTEWATER OVER TO TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND SO TO GUIDE US THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION, I'VE GOT ELLEN EMERIN AND EDDIE HAASS HERE FROM FREEZA NICHOLS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, EDMUND HAAS FREEZA NICHOLS, UH, WE LED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROADWAY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE UPDATE. 
          UH, IF WE CAN GET THE, DIDN'T WE HAVE TO DO THE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA MOVE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN UP FIRST. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WAIT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THEY EVEN GAVE ME A NOTE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I NEED TO POSTPONE 12 FOUR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          WE GOTTA 
          [12.5. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-137 to adopt the updated Thoroughfare Plan (Matt Rector)]
DO 12 FIVE FIRST CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 37 TO ADOPT THE UPDATED THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU . 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ELLEN AMARE. 
          I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE EDDIE HAAS. 
          UM, WE'RE FROM FREEZER NICHOLS. 
          WE'RE UPDATING THE, UM, MOBILITY MASTER PLAN AND THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO TODAY WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THOSE TWO ONGOING PROJECTS. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE MOBILITY, UM, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN COMPONENT OF THE MOBILITY PLAN. 
          UM, WE'RE BRINGING THIS PARTICULAR COMPONENT TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE IT WILL BE THE ROOT OF THE FURTHER THE WORK THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO IN THE IMPACT FEE UPDATE AND THEN IN THE MOBILITY PLAN AS THOSE, AS THOSE CONTINUE FORWARD . 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, UM, AS LANCE MENTIONED, WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE IMPACT FEE PORTION. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, THAT SAME GROUP HAS SERVED AS A STEERING COMMITTEE FROM THE MOBILITY PLAN SIDE. 
          UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ON THE METHODOLOGICAL 
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APPROACH, THE DATA ANALYSIS, UM, TROUBLESHOOTING, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE SEEN AND APPROVED, UM, ALL OF THE MATERIAL THAT YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT IN ORDER FOR US TO ADVANCE THIS TO YOU ALL. 
          SO THIS IS A QUICK VIEW OF HOW THESE TWO PROJECTS WORK TOGETHER, WHICH I WILL NOT, UM, BELABOR TOO MUCH EXCEPT TO SAY THAT, UM, THEY'RE BOTH ONGOING LOOKING TO TARGET THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IN ORDER TO ADOPT BOTH THE UPDATED MOBILITY PLAN AND THE UPDATED TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE, UH, PROGRAM. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, UM, LOOKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF A THEFOR PLAN, AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE IT WILL THEN BE THE ROOT OF FINISHING UP THESE TWO PROJECTS. 
          SO THE REQUESTED ACTION HERE IS GOING TO BE, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UM, AS THE BASIS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE PROGRAM. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE MOBILITY PLAN, THIS IS JUST THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ELEMENT. 
          I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS A QUICK VIEW OF THE PREVIOUS MOBILITY PLAN, VERSION OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND THEN THE UPDATED ONE, THE PREVIOUS ONE ON THE LEFT, THE UPDATED ONE ON THE RIGHT. 
          UM, THE EXISTING PLAN HAD A GOOD BASE NETWORK. 
          WE USED THAT AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NETWORK TO KIND OF BUILD ONTO AND, UM, AND CREATE THE UPDATES. 
          SO BY WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE PROCESS FOR UPDATING YOUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS TWOFOLD. 
          FIRST QUANTITATIVE AND THEN QUALITATIVE. 
          THE QUANTITATIVE TECHNICAL BASIS, UM, THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR MOST THEIR FARE PLAN UPDATES. 
          WE USE THE REGIONAL TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL DATA. 
          IN THIS CASE IT WAS THE 2045 APPROVED MODEL. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT 2050, UH, DRAFT MODEL DATA, THE POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT VALUES, UM, PROJECTIONS. 
          THOSE ARE BASED ON A VARIETY OF DATA SOURCES. 
          THIS WAS NOT, UM, ANY KIND OF GROWTH PROJECTION. 
          THIS WAS GENERAL TRENDS, TOTAL DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES, EXISTING IN COMMITTED IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE USED THE EXISTING PLANS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND USE, AND THEN, UM, GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN ADJACENT AREAS. 
          UM, WE COORDINATED QUITE A BIT ON STAFF WITH THAT, SINCE THAT IS KEY TO CONTINUITY WITH THOSE ADJACENT SITES. 
          AND THE GROWTH. 
          THE OTHER BRANCH, THE MORE OF THE QUALITATIVE ELEMENT INCLUDED SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR, UM, THINGS THAT ARE OF COURSE, HU SPECIFIC THAT ARE REQUIRED HERE. 
          UM, PROPER NETWORK REDUNDANCY IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IN HUDU THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO TRAVEL TO MOST PLACES. 
          USUALLY THAT'S ABOUT ONE MILE ARTERIAL SPACING, AND THAT'S ALSO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, HERE IN HUDU. 
          UM, CONNECTIONS TO FUTURE ROUTES AND THEN BRIDGING EXISTING GAPS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER WHEN WE DO MORE OF THE QUALITATIVE UPDATE PORTION. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT WAS A BIG PART OF THIS UPDATE AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE HERE AT CITY HALL IN, IN MARCH, UM, AND WE RECEIVED, UM, LOTS OF COMMENTS FOR THAT. 
          THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          LOTS OF MARKUPS ON MAPS THAT WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT WAS OPEN FOR SIX, SIX WEEKS, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, WE RECEIVED OVER 200 COMMENTS ON THAT. 
          SO THAT HAS BEEN, UM, A PART OF THE ANALYSIS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S ACCESS TO THE MAJOR CONNECTIONS VIA SOME SORT OF SMALLER ROADS. 
          ULTIMATELY, UM, CONTEXT IN HUDU WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR, FOR UPDATING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          REALLY ANYTHING OVER, UM, SIX LANES, A REALLY LARGE ADDITIONAL REGIONAL ARTERIAL LIKE 79. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          SO, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE WAS, UM, A PARAMOUNT CONSIDERATION. 
          THERE'S JUST A QUICK LOOK AT THE NOMENCLATURE THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE MAP. 
          UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA NOTE IS THAT THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN HAD FOUR MAJOR CLASSIFICATIONS. 
          WE INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL ONE BECAUSE SOME ROADS LIKE, UM, 79 AND 1660 WERE CLASSIFIED THE SAME. 
          AND THERE, THERE'S SOME NUANCES IN THERE THAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO CLASSIFIED DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO WE ADDED THIS REGIONAL ARTERIAL CLASSIFICATION. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ONLY NEW ONE, BUT MOST THINGS ARE THE SAME. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS ROADWAY NETWORK IS JUST ROOTED IN THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE DEPICTED, DEPICTED 
          [03:15:01]
HERE. 
          THIS SHOWS SOME GENERAL GUIDANCE FOR WHAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THESE DIFFERENT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          THIS IS, CAN BE TAILORED IN ANY SITUATION. 
          UM, ANYTHING FROM FOUR TO SIX LANES FOR THAT MAJOR ARTERIAL DIVIDED UNDIVIDED. 
          IT DEPENDS ON CONTEXT. 
          UM, AND ONE THING THAT WE DO PLAN ON DOING WHEN THE MOBILITY PLAN IS COMPLETE AS PART OF THE UPDATE IS COORDINATING WITH STAFF, COORDINATING WITH ENGINEERING TO COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT CONTEXTUAL ALTERNATIVES SO THAT, UM, WE HAVE SOME GUIDANCE MOVING FORWARD, WHETHER THESE, UM, THESE ROADS SHOULD LOOK SIMILAR TO THIS STANDARD THAT YOU SEE OR WHETHER THEY SHOULD LOOK DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE ALSO COORDINATING WITH THE TEAMS THAT ARE UPDATING THE, UH, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE TRANSPORTATION DESIGN, UH, CRITERIA. 
          SO JUST A, AT A LOCAL LEVEL, I'LL KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH, UM, THE MAJOR CHANGES. 
          LIMMER LOOP WAS, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN SHOWN AS A PRETTY LOW, LOW CLASSIFIED FACILITY. 
          UM, SO WE UPDATED THAT CLASSIFICATION TO REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF OF TRAFFIC THAT'S PROJECTED TO BE, UM, ON THAT ROAD. 
          IT ALSO IS, IS REROUTED OVER TO 1 0 1. 
          UM, THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE ONE OF THOSE IMPORTANT EAST-WEST CONNECTIONS. 
          AS I MENTIONED, NETWORK REDUNDANCY, UM, IS A FOCUS HERE. 
          SO, UM, LIMMER LOOP WAS, WAS A CRITICAL UPDATE. 
          LIKEWISE, CHANDLER ROAD, WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTROLLED ACCESS FACILITY WITH SOME GRADE SEPARATION, SO THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE CHANGE AS WELL. 
          COUNTY ROAD 100 AS IT EXTENDS, UH, EAST IS, IS SIMILAR IN THAT WAY. 
          WE, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO PLAY A BIGGER ROLE. 
          IT WAS NOT ON THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS ANYTHING ABOVE A COLLECTOR. 
          UM, AND SO THIS REALLY WILL SERVE KIND OF THOSE MIXED USE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN, UM, IN THE NORTHEAST AREA. 
          THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS WELL. 
          SO THIS WILL BE A CRITICAL CONNECTION FOR THOSE. 
          EDGE SCHMIDT BOULEVARD. 
          UM, AGAIN, SERVING INNOVATION DISTRICT, THIS WAS DESIGNATED, THIS WAS CLASSIFIED PRETTY LOW IN THE PREVIOUS THERE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS WELL. 
          SO WE BROUGHT IT UP TO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S SIMILAR WITH CLASSIFICATION TO FUTURE 1660 AND LIMMER LOOP. 
          THE OTHER BIG THING TO NOTE HERE, UM, IS A POTENTIAL GRADE SEPARATION AT 79. 
          THIS IS A NOT SET IN STONE AND ITS FEASIBILITY IS TO BE DETERMINED BY A FUTURE STUDY. 
          BUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AS IT EXISTS, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY, AND AS WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, UM, IS A BIT ON THE VISIONARY SIDE. 
          IF WE PUT IT ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THEN THE CITY HAS, UM, THE LATITUDE TO CONTINUE EXPLORING IT IN THE FUTURE. 
          MA'AM, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU IF, IF YOU GO BACK, OF COURSE, THE TOP PART OF ED SCHMIDT, WHEN YOU GET ABOVE CHANDLER, WE'RE OUT OF THE, WE'RE OUTTA HU AT THAT POINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE IDEA THERE IS TO SHOW ITS SIGNIFICANCE AS KIND OF A, AN ARTERIAL. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING MAINLY HU BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE SHOWING CONNECTED NETWORK WITH YOUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW SOME OF THESE KEY CORRIDORS PLAY INTO THAT. 
          AND SO WE'RE FOCUSING ON THOSE KEY EAST, WEST KEY NORTH, SOUTH CORRIDORS, BUT THE DOT, THE DOTTED ONES WHERE IT'S AN EXTENSION, THAT'S NOT FACTORED IN OUR COSTS, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS NOT A, UM, A COST BASED DOCUMENT. 
          THE THEY'RE AFA PLAN, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION, I GUESS THIS ONE ISN'T SOMEONE ELSE WHO USE THIS PLAN TO THEN FIGURE OUT IMPACT FEES ON THE NEXT ONE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THEN. 
          I'LL WAIT, I'LL ASK YOU THAT THEN. 
           JUMPING AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, AS A PREVIEW, THE IMPACT FEE FOR TRANSPORTATION IS ONLY APPLICABLE IN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          SO THIS FUTURE EXTENSION IS, IS NOT CONSIDERED IN THAT COST. 
          UM, 1 32 SIMILAR TO ED SCHMIDT THERE. 
          AND THE 1660, EVENTUALLY THAT WILL BE REROUTED TO CONNECT A LITTLE BIT BETTER OVER 79. 
          UM, THIS WAS NOT A HUGE CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO CALL OUT. 
          NONETHELESS, WE WANNA CALL OUT THE FUTURE WILCO HIGHWAY, UH, 1 0 1 SINCE EVENTUALLY THIS WILL BE ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONNECTION. 
          AGAIN, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IF IT'S PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND IT CAN BE PART OF THAT VISIONARY DOCUMENT, UM, IT PROVIDES A 
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FOUNDATION FOR CONTINUING TO EXPLORE IT AS AN IMPORTANT CONNECTION, WHICH IT LIKELY WILL BE. 
          MOVING DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE CITY I JUST MENTIONED WILCO HIGHWAY. 
          SO, UM, WE KNOW HOW CRITICAL THIS CONNECTION IS GOING TO BE. 
          IT WAS ON THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          THIS IS UPDATED TO INCLUDE THE PORTION THAT IS BUILT. 
          UM, SO THAT SOLID LINE, THE DOTTED LINE TURNS TO A SOLID LINE THERE, UM, IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THOSE GRADE SEPARATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL. 
          CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD, UH, RECEIVED AN UPDATED CLASSIFICATION TO ALIGN WITH THE NEW SCHEME, UH, THAT WE CREATED THAT ADDITIONAL CLASSIFICATION. 
          SO THIS CHANGE TO FIT INTO THAT, BUT THIS WAS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          UM, IT CONTINUES TO BE A REALLY IMPORTANT NORTHWEST CONNECT NORTH SOUTH CONNECTION. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT POTENTIAL GRADE SEPARATION AT 79, AS I MENTIONED, UM, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE, PUTTING IT ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ALLOWS THAT INVESTIGATION. 
          SO CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD, UM, WAS LARGELY THE SAME. 
          AND THEN THIS SOUTHERN SECTION OF 1660 THAT WILL EVENTUALLY SORT OF BE ROU REROUTED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ALL CURRENTLY. 
          UM, FM 1660. 
          UM, LIKEWISE THE NETWORK REDUNDANCY NORTH AND SOUTH OF 79, THAT NORTH AND SOUTH MOVEMENT WAS REALLY CRITICAL. 
          SO THIS WAS ON THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT THE, WE REFINED SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS WITH, UH, WILCO HIGHWAY AND THEN THE WAY IT INTERACTED WITH THE OTHER, UM, LOWER LEVEL CLASSIFIED ROADS THERE IN THE CITY. 
          CR 1 32 WAS PREVIOUSLY CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR. 
          PRETTY LOW ON THE LAST THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT IT IS THE ONLY MAJOR, UM, EAST-WEST CONNECTOR BETWEEN 79 AND CARL STERN. 
          AND WITH THE MEGASITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S EXPECTED OVER THERE, WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CREATE THIS CONNECTION. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS RECLASSIFIED FROM A COLLECTOR TO A MAJOR ARTERIAL. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE MAJOR ARTERIAL CLASSIFICATION OF EDGE SCHMIDT OR LIMMER LOOP, BUT THIS CALLS IT OUT AS, UM, A MAJOR AND IMPORTANT PART OF THE NETWORK. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, CARL STERN, THIS IS A MINOR ARTERIAL ON THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          IT WAS A MINOR ARTERIAL ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A MAJOR RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, UM, AND WE'RE CALLING IT OUT BECAUSE IT AGAIN, PROVIDES THAT REALLY CRITICAL CROSSTOWN MOVEMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT REMAINS THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BUT WILL LIKELY BE SIZED ACCORDING, ACCORDING TO THE NEEDS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO THE MAJOR ROADWAY CHANGES, UH, EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT ARE THE CONNECTIONS TO THE CONNECTIONS. 
          SO, CALLING OUT THESE GRADE SEPARATIONS HERE, SOME OF THESE ARE SET IN STONE, SOME OF THESE ARE NOT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THE VISIONARY NATURE OF THIS PLAN ALLOWS THOSE TO CONTINUE TO BE INVESTIGATED. 
          SO LET'S START THOROUGHFARE PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, THIS REALLY REPRESENTS THE FUNCTIONAL NETWORK, HOW THINGS ARE EXPECTED, EXPECTED TO FUNCTION BASED ON A CERTAIN SYSTEM OF CLASSIFICATIONS. 
          UM, THESE AREN'T ASSOCIATED WITH SPECIFIC EXACT TRAFFIC VOLUMES, BUT WE HAVE SOME THRESHOLDS FOR WHAT'S EXPECTED IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S HOW THESE, THAT'S HOW THESE CHANGES CAME TO BE. 
          SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 20 24 1 37 AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR CLARK, SECOND BY COUNCILOR LAR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR PERSON. 
          MORNING. 
          AYE. 
          MCC AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL THOMPSON. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO 12 FOUR. 
          [12.4. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-136 scheduling a public hearing to consider amendments to the Land Use Assumptions and a Capital Improvements plan for amendments to the Transportation Impact fee within the City; directing the City Secretary to publish notice of said public hearing; and directing the Capital Improvement Advisory Committee to consider and make recommendations on the amendments to the Land Use Assumptions and Capital Improvements Plan for amendments to the Transportation Impact Fee (Matt Rector)]
OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, EDMUND HAAS, UH, FREEZE NICHOLS. 
          ELLEN AND I DEVELOPED THE UPDATE TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE. 
          IS ELLEN LAID OUT IN THE NETWORK DEVELOPMENT, 
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THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN OF THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT BECOMES THE ROOTS OR THE BASIS FOR THE CIP, THE IMPACT FEE, CIP. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS, WELL, ACTUALLY THIS IS REALLY JUST A BRIEFING. 
          ALL WE'RE SEEKING FOR YOU IS TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5TH. 
          SO WE'RE, THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT, UH, WE'VE DONE TO DATE BY WAY OF WORK PROCESS, PROCESS-WISE, FROM THE IMPACT FEE PERSPECTIVE, SIMILAR TO WHAT LANCE TALKED ABOUT, LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, HOW ARE WE GONNA GROW OVER 10 YEAR WINDOW? WHAT'S THE CIP NECESSITATED BY GROWTH? THE CIP ONCE IT'S DEFINED, THE COST NECESSITATED BY GROWTH OF THAT CIP DIVIDED BY THE SERVICE UNITS OF GROWTH BECOMES YOUR COST PER SERVICE UNIT. 
          THAT BECOMES THE MAXIMUM THRESHOLD OF A COLLECTION RATE ON A PER SERVICE UNIT BASIS. 
          UH, AND THEN FROM THERE, IT BECOMES A POLICY DECISION ON WHAT THAT COLLECTION RATE OUGHT TO BE. 
          WE'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND. 
          AND, AND AS ELLEN IDENTIFIED, THE REASON WE WE'RE BRINGING THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN NETWORK TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS PER 3 95 CALLING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THE 60 DAY, YOU'RE CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITHIN 60 DAYS. 
          THE NEWSPAPER NOTICING, WE HAVE THE SCHEDULE LISTED OUT FOR STAFF, UH, TO MAKE THOSE NOTICES. 
          UH, IN THE TAYLOR PRESS. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU ALL ARE CALLING FOR THE, THE RESOLUTION FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN WE'LL, THE, WE'LL HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO COLLECTION RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT WILL BE THE REQUEST. 
          UH, AT THE END OF THE CONCLUSION, YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT SINCE YOU'RE THE ADOPTION OF THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM, IT'S SIMPLY JUST A FINANCE TOOL TO FUND, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE POLICY DIRECTIVE IS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA CHIP IN, IN A PORTION OF THAT COST. 
          YOU HAD A CERTAIN SPECIFIED COLLECTION RATE BASED ON THAT CALCULATED MAXIMUM IN THE 2018 STUDY. 
          WE'RE MERELY UPDATING THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, THE PROGRAMMATIC UPDATE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ESTABLISHING WHAT THAT THRESHOLD IS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AS PART OF POLICY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          WE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GROWTH RATES, THE, THE SUPPORTING LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE CIP AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UH, THE, UM, DERIVATION OF THE COST PER SERVICE UNIT. 
          ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES AS PART OF THIS STUDY IS, UM, THE SERVICE AREA IN THE PAST, MY LOG, UM, SERVICE AREAS FOR ROADS CAN'T BE GREATER THAN SIX MILES AND ONLY WITHIN YOUR CITY LIMITS. 
          YOUR CITY HAS NOW ENCROACHED ON THAT. 
          SO THERE'S SOME GROWING PAIN. 
          SO WE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS OF BREAKING THE CITY UP INTO FOUR QUADRANTS. 
          WE CAME UP WITH THIS, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          THIS WILL SET YOU UP FOR THE LONG TERM AS OTHER AREAS ANNEX INTO THE CITIES, THE ANNEX INTO A SPECIFIC SERVICE AREA, VOLUNTARILY ANNEXING INTO A SPECIFIC SERVICE AREA. 
          UH, THEN THAT'LL BE PART OF THE, UH, INTO THE IMPACT FEE PROGRAM. 
          SO WE HAVE NOW FOUR SERVICE AREAS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH, SO ULTIMATELY, IN THE PAST, YOU ONLY HAD ONE COST PER SERVICE UNIT, ONE COLLECTION RATE. 
          NOW WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT NUMBERS CALCULATED INDEPENDENTLY. 
          AND SO YOU ALL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          WHAT DO WE WANNA DO BY WAY OF A COLLECTION RATE? SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN DETAIL, UH, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER. 
          THE FIRST, UH, THE, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO, UM, AS WE SAW WITH THE WATER WASTEWATER, UM, IMPACT FEE, THESE NEED TO BE BASED ON SOME KIND OF GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS. 
          USER FEES REQUIRE AN ANALYSIS OF THE USERS. 
          THIS ROADWAYS ARE OF COURSE, A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER BECAUSE IT'S THE, UM, THE IMPROVEMENT IS NOT LIMITED TO, UH, CERTAIN PEOPLE, SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOING TO BE USING THEM. 
          UM, BUT ROADWAYS BUILT IN THIS SOUTHERN, UM, ROADWAY SERVICE AREA WILL NOT ONLY SERVE PEOPLE WHO, WHO LIVE THERE. 
          SO AS AN OVERVIEW OF THE POPULATION GROWTH, UM, THE RATE THAT WE USED FOR THIS CALCULATION WAS 8.75% AVERAGE ANNUALLY. 
          THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT 42,000 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN THE 10 YEAR HORIZON. 
          UM, ALSO ABOUT 12,000 DWELLING UNITS. 
          THAT'S BASED ON AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE. 
          UM, BUT THE DWELLING UNITS IS A POINT OF REFERENCE. 
          WE DIDN'T USE THAT NUMBER IN THE CALCULATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE LOVELY LITTLE PIE CHART THAT YOU SEE THERE IS GENERALLY HOW WE EXPECT THE POPULATION GROWTH TO BE ALLOCATED BY THOSE SERVICE AREAS. 
          8.75 MM-HMM, , THE, UM, 8.75 WAS ALSO A NEW CALCULATION. 
          UM, SO SOME OF, SOME OF THE VALUES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DRAWN FROM THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, EXISTING PLANNING DOCUMENTS, THIS USED A LOT OF, OF NEW SOURCES. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT CENSUS DATA, A CS DATA, ISD DATA, UM, THE CAMPO DATA AS WELL WITH THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL. 
          IT CAME FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT SOURCES TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT MADE SENSE FOR THIS, THIS CALCULATION. 
          AND THEN ON THE EMPLOYMENT SIDE, THE REASON WE BREAK OUT OUR PROJECTIONS ON THE ROADWAY SIDE INTO, UH, POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT OR RESIDENTIAL 
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AND NON-RESIDENTIAL IS JUST BECAUSE EMPLOYMENT TRIPS HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. 
          PEOPLE DRIVING AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY, DIFFERENT LENGTHS OF TRIPS. 
          AND SO THE 10 YEAR EMPLOYMENT GROWTH RATE CAME OUT TO ABOUT 9%. 
          AGAIN, THAT WAS A CALCULATION WITH, WITH NEW DATA THAT WE COMPILED FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOURCES. 
          THE NET GROWTH OF EMPLOYEES IN THE 10 YEAR HORIZON WITH THIS CALCULATION, UH, IS ABOUT 24,000. 
          AND THEN BROKEN UP INTO SERVICE AREAS AGAIN, UH, THE PIE CHART THAT YOU SEE THERE REPRESENTS THAT IT'S GOT A COUPLE LAYERS. 
          UM, THE BASIC, THE SERVICE AND THE RETAIL EMPLOYMENT, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL BREAKOUT WE DO. 
          AGAIN, BECAUSE THOSE TRIPS HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. 
          SO WE NEED TO EVALUATE THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY WHEN WE'RE DETERMINING WHO'S GOING TO BE USING THE ROADWAY FACILITIES AND WHEN AND HOW MUCH AND SO FORTH. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE LUA THEN BECOMES THE, THE BASIS WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE SERVICE UNIT, THE SERVICE UNIT'S THE SAME AS THE VEHICLE MILE. 
          SO WE USE THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE NET INCREASE IN GROWTH BY SERVICE AREAS, TIME OF SERVICE UNIT EQUIVALENT FOR THE, UH, PER LAND USE EQUIVALENCY TABLE. 
          SO WE'RE ABLE TO GENERATE THE VMT DEMAND BY SERVICE AREA THAT THE DEMAND THEN BECOMES THE BASIS FOR WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CIP. 
          HOWEVER, UM, WE, THE, THE PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH IS THAT YOU'RE GROWING SO FAST THAT WE, WE SHOULD PUT THE WHOLE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN THERE. 
          SO WHAT THE MAP REPRESENTS IS REALLY THE NEEDED OR THE ADDED CAPACITY TO ACHIEVE THOROUGHFARE STANDARD. 
          OKAY? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO, UH, RECOUPMENT PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, CITY DOLLARS EXPENDED. 
          WE'RE RECOUPING THE COST AT THAT EXCESS CAPACITY. 
          BUT ALL OF THE PINK LINES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, THOSE ARE, UH, ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR CLASS FACILITIES FROM THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          AND IT'S NEW LANES, WHETHER IT'S ROAD WIDENINGS OR NEW RAIN ROADS ALTOGETHER, IT'S THOSE NEW, THE NEW CAPACITY ADDED INTO THE PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALLOCATING OUT TO THE NEW GROWTH THAT'S NECESSITATED OVER THAT 10 YEAR WINDOW. 
          SO AS WE, AS WE LOOKED AT IT, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'VE ONLY CALCULATED IT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, WE'VE CALCULATED BY SERVICE AREAS. 
          SO IT BECOMES A LITTLE COMPLICATED. 
          LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FM 1660 HALF OF THAT CAPACITY IS IN SERVICE AREA, EAST HALF OF IT'S IN SERVICE AREA WEST. 
          SO WE'RE ALLOCATING THAT CAPACITY BY DIRECTION. 
          SO IT'S A ROBUST ANALYSIS IN THE, THE DEFINITION OF CAPACITY, BUT THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY IN THE UTILIZATION. 
          SO WE'RE ALLOCATING IT PROPERLY BY THE SERVICE AREAS. 
          SO ONCE WE IDENTIFIED THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER, IN OTHER WORDS, PUT THE WHOLE THING IN THERE, UH, THEN THE COSTING OF THOSE, WE PREPARED COST TESTIMATE WORKSHEETS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          LOOKING, UH, GENERATING COSTS FOR CONSTRUCTION RIGHT OF WAY, ENGINEERING, UH, DEBT SERVICE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS AN AVERAGE OF WHAT'S NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON AVERAGE, IF A, IF A ROADWAY HAS 60 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY, AND THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARD COSTS FOR 80, WE'RE ONLY ASSUMING 20, 20 FEET FOR THAT ADDITIONAL NEED. 
          OKAY? LIKEWISE, THE COST OF ON SYSTEM ROADS IS ELIGIBLE. 
          IE FM 1660, SOME OF YOUR OTHER ON SYSTEM FACILITIES, THERE IS, THERE'S AN ANTICIPATED CITY PARTICIPATION PERCENTAGE ONLY THE CITY'S PORTION OF COST IS INCLUDED. 
          SO GENERALLY IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 20% ON THOSE ON SYSTEM PROJECTS. 
          THE REASON WE'RE WE DON'T WANNA DOUBLE DIP AND COLLECT ON BEHALF OF ANOTHER AGENCY, AND IT'S NOT FAIR THAT THAT COST GET, THAT BURDEN GETS PUSHED ONTO NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE GOTTA FOCUS ON THE CITY COST THERE. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          UH, BY WAY OF A SNAPSHOT, WE, WE HAVE 83 PROJECT SEGMENTS AS PART OF THE OVERALL PROGRAM. 
          THE, THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT $361 MILLION. 
          UM, THERE WAS A CREDIT ANALYSIS THAT WAS CONDUCTED, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THE COST TOTAL COST CIP IS $161 MILLION. 
          THE COST OF THE NET CAPACITY IS 153 MILLION. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, SOME OF THAT CAPACITY IS BEING CHEWED UP BY TRAFFIC. 
          SO THIS IS THE NET THAT'S ELIGIBLE, UM, BASED ON, UM, THE CAPACITY OR THE, THE GROWTH, I'M SORRY, BASED ON THE, THE, UM, THE NECESSITATED CAPACITY, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE'RE GONNA BE BURNING UP ALL THAT CAPACITY, UM, BY THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH. 
          THE COST THAT'S ELIGIBLE IS NOT ONLY THE COST OF THE NET CAPACITY, BUT THE DEBT SERVICE TO, TO, TO FUEL THOSE PROJECTS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT $210 MILLION THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO THE GROWTH. 
          UH, WE HAVE ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS DONE, UH, INDEPENDENTLY BY SERVICE AREA. 
          WE'RE ONLY SHOWING YOU A ROLL UP, UH, AT THE END AS THIS IS ONLY A BRIEFING. 
          BUT BASICALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IS BY SERVICE AREA. 
          THE, THE AREA IN THE HIGHLIGHTED GREEN IS THE CREDITED MAXIMUM COST PER SERVICE UNIT. 
          OKAY? AND YOU SEE THE VARIATION IN COST FROM ANYWHERE FROM THE 9 91 IN THE, IN THE WESTERN, UH, SERVICE AREA UP TO THE, THE 36 47 THERE IN THE, THE SOUTHERN. 
          THAT BECOMES THE CEILING, THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN COLLECT ON A PER VEHICLE MILE BASIS. 
          OKAY? BY WAY OF COMPARISON, THE LAST CALCULATION WAS 
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1960. 
          REMEMBER, YOU ONLY HAD ONE SERVICE AREA, SO IT WAS 1960, THAT WAS THE CEILING. 
          BUT BY POLICY THAT THAT LEADERSHIP, UH, REGIME DECIDED TO COLLECT $400 A SERVICE UNIT FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND 7 84 FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GONNA BE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AS THE POLICY DISCUSSION ON WHAT COLLECTION RATE DO YOU WANT TO, TO ACHIEVE? OKAY? OR WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ASK NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO CHIP IN, IN, IN HELPING THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN THIS WALL, YOU'LL SEE THESE, UH, HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, WE DID WHAT'S, WE DID WHAT'S CALLED BENCHMARKING. 
          WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR PEER CITIES THAT HAVE IMPACT FEE PROGRAMS? WHAT ARE THEY COLLECTING? SO WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF LAND USE SCENARIOS. 
          UM, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE HERE, WE HAD THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          YOU SEE, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL IMPACT FEE? OKAY, SO I'M SWITCHING GEARS HERE. 
          COST PER SERVICE UNIT TIMES THE SERVICE UNIT GENERATION MAKES THE IMPACT FEE. 
          SO THIS IS NOW THE IMPACT FEE. 
          AND, AND WHAT'S SHOWING ARE THE DOLLARS OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT UNDER THEIR CURRENT ADOPTED ORDINANCES AND WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING, WHAT EACH ONE OF THOSE CITIES ARE COLLECTING. 
          SO, HU EXISTING, YOU'RE COLLECTING ABOUT $3,400 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE FOR ROAD. 
          UM, IN THE WEST, IF YOU WERE TO TO, TO COLLECT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, IT WOULD BE $4,300 IN THE EAST. 
          IF YOU WERE TO COLLECT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, THAT'D BE $4,700 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WE ASSUMED THE TWO LOWEST ONES ONLY BECAUSE THE COLLECTION RATE WOULD, WOULD GO FROM 7 84 UP SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          WE CAN PUT ALL FOUR IN THERE IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE. 
          AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED WITH, UH, ABOUT WITH, WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW, HOW HUDU EXISTING VERSUS THE LOWER TWO, UH, THE SERVICE AREAS, HOW YOU WOULD SLO RELATIVE TO YOUR PEER CITIES IN ROUND ROCK. 
          THE COST OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS $9,100 IN, UH, AUSTIN, IT'S $3,000 IN PFLUGERVILLE, $6,800. 
          OKAY? SO WE PRESENTED THESE BENCHMARKS JUST SO THAT IT COULD HELP THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE IMPLICATION ON A COLLECTION RATES. 
          OKAY, WE RAN ANOTHER SCENARIO HERE. 
          HERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          IN THE LIGHT BLUE. 
          YOU CAN SEE UNDER YOUR CURRENT, UH, COLLECTION RATE HOW, UH, YOU'RE, WHAT THE IMPACT FEE IS FOR THAT SIZE DEVELOPMENT, $146,000. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE THAT COLLECTION RATE THAT $400, INCREASE IT BY 25% JUST AS A, AS A, A, A SWAG AT WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO INCREASE IT BY, UM, THAT WOULD BE $183,000 FOR THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, SQUARE FOOT, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU WANTED TO GO TO THAT MAXIMUM ALLOW AMOUNT THAT YOU COULD COLLECT THE TWO LOWEST ONES, THE EAST AND THE WEST SERVICE AREAS, YOU SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER TURNS OUT TO BE. 
          363 390 $9,000. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A BIT MUCH, BUT THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS IT RELATES TO POLICY. 
          WE WILL GET WITH STAFF ON HOW YOU WANT US TO MODIFY THESE CHARTS. 
          IF YOU WANNA SEE ALL FOUR SERVICE AREAS VERSUS JUST THE TWO LOWEST ONES THERE IN THE GRAPH. 
          WE DID TWO OTHER SCENARIOS. 
          WE DID A SHOPPING CENTER AND THESE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING SCALABLE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR MIND, THIS IS A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S KIND OF A TYPICAL STRIP RETAIL, BUT IF YOU'RE THINKING LIKE A, LIKE A WALMART OR A TARGET, THEY'RE GENERALLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, 1 25 SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE GENERALLY SCALABLE. 
          SO AGAIN, THE BENCHMARKING IN HOW TO EXISTING VERSUS PEER CITIES AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE RAN ANOTHER SCENARIO OF OFFICE CURRENT, SAME KIND OF SCENARIO. 
          10,000 SQUARE FEET, SOMETHING SMALL-ISH, NOT BOUTIQUE-ISH, LIKE A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT, BUT A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING HOW YOU ALL WOULD SLOT BY WAY OF A COLLECTION RATE FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THAT SIZE, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE, UM, VERSUS OTHER, UH, THE OTHER COLLECTION. 
          UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER RATES FOR THE, THE EAST AND THE WEST SERVICE AREA. 
          WE'LL DELVE INTO THIS IN, IN DETAIL, UH, IN, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL MIGHT WANNA BE CONSIDERING IS, AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE SEPTEMBER, HOW DO WE WANT TO COLLECT? DO WE WANT TO COLLECT 25% OF MAX FOR EACH ONE OF THE SERVICE AREAS, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A VARYING COLLECTION RATE? DO WE WANT TO DEFINE ONE NUMBER THAT WOULD, COULD APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD SO THE DEVELOPER IN NORTHERN SERVICE AREA IS NOT PINING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SOUTH, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. 
          WE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH TO HOW YOU MIGHT WANNA INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND OR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU COULD HAVE THE, UM, GOING WITH THE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS UP TO THE 50%, THE CREDITED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS THAT WE'VE DEFINED. 
          OKAY? THERE ARE OTHER POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT ONLY JUST ABOUT WHAT'S THAT COLLECTION RATE. 
          YOU CAN USE THE, THE IMPACT FEE AS, AS A, 
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NOT ONLY AS A FINANCE TOOL, BUT TO INCENTIVIZE CERTAIN KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE VISITED WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THAT TO, AND JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, BROWNSVILLE, UH, THEY WANTED TO, UM, THEY WANTED TO, TO GIVE A BREAK TO LEGACY BUSINESSES. 
          THEY FELT THAT IF YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE CITY AT LEAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS AND YOU WANT TO EXPAND AT THE EXIST, SAME EXISTING SITE, MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIVE THE FEE FOR THAT EXPANSION. 
          POLICY CAN GO IN ANY DIRECTION. 
          IT COULD BE TO THOSE, UH, MAJOR EMPLOYERS THAT BRING A LARGE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES TO HU MAYBE WE DISCOUNT THEIR IMPACT FEE BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. 
          UH, THOSE THAT BRING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE, UH, A RANGE OF HOUSING CHOICES WITHIN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. 
          MAYBE WE INCENTIVIZE AND REDUCE THE FEE. 
          SO THERE'S A RANGE OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, BUT AS WE VISITED WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU IN A LETTER. 
          THAT LETTER WILL BE, UH, DUE AT LEAST, UH, FIVE BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YOU'LL PROBABLY GET THAT A LOT SOONER. 
          UH, THEY IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THAT, BUT THEY DID ADOPT THE DERIVATION OF WHAT THOSE MAXIMUMS WERE. 
          AND THE, THE, THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATIONS AND THEY, THEY, THEY LABELED IT BROADLY, UM, THAT THE, THE COUNCIL CONSIDER SOME KIND OF, UM, ADJUSTMENT OR SOME KIND OF, UM, INCENTIVE FOR LEGACY BUSINESS. 
          SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          THE MOM AND POPS MAYBE THINK ABOUT, UM, UH, MIXED USE OR BLENDED TYPE SITES THAT ARE, THAT HAVE UNIQUE COMMERCIAL TYPE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOUR, YOUR POLICY BE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU COULD USE THIS AS AN INCENTIVES TOOL. 
          ALSO STEPS FORWARD IF WE KIND OF BEEN TALKING ABOUT IF YOU ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, CALLING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE NOTICING. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT TWO NOTICES IN THE PAPER. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE'S GONNA BE IN JULY, AROUND JULY 12TH, I BELIEVE IT IS, OR 14TH. 
          AND THEN THERE'LL BE THE, THE, THE OTHER ONE IN, UM, IN AUGUST. 
          THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST AT THE, THE STATE MINIMUM, AT LEAST 30 DAYS OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE THAT YOU'LL GET THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THAT, FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. 
          UH, AND THEN SINCE THERE'S TWO READINGS, THE HOPE IS THAT IN ORDER TO ADOPT THIS THING BY FISCAL YEAR 24, WE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SEPTEMBER 5TH. 
          DECIDE ON A COLLECTION RATE FIRST READING, THEN YOUR SECOND READING OF SEPTEMBER 19TH, THEN BY FISCAL YEAR 25, THEN THE NEW RATES WOULD BE IN PLAY WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL OR ACTION? MAKE A MOTION TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING RESOLUTION NUMBER R 2024 DASH 1 36 AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR CLARK, SECONDED BY CUSTOMER LAR. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE NO. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A THOMPSON AYE. 
          AYE. 
          NUMBER AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT 
          [13.1. Consideration and possible action related to the review of wholesale utility agreement (Alberta Barrett and Sara Cervantes)]
WE HAVE ITEM 13, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE REVIEW OF HOST SALE UTILITY AGREEMENT. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL, SARA CERVANTES, DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR THE RECORD. 
          UH, I BELIEVE AT AN EARLIER MEETING, AND I'VE GOT THE DATE HERE, THE APRIL 4TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK DIRECTED STAFF TO PERFORM AN ANALYSIS OF WATER AND WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS TO WHICH THE CITY OF HU IS A PARTY, SPECIFICALLY THOSE TO WHICH WE ARE PROVIDING WATER OR WASTEWATER SERVICES TO CITIZENS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS. 
          UM, I CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO ME BY OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT THE TIME. 
          AND, UM, I PRESENTED A CHART, UH, FOUR YEAR REVIEW BROKEN DOWN BY WATER AGREEMENTS, THEN WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS, AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE SECTION FOR THE OTHER AGREEMENTS JUST FOR COMPLETENESS PURPOSES AND CLARIFICATION. 
          SO IF YOU HAD THOSE KIND OF ON YOUR MIND TO KIND OF BREAK THOSE DOWN, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I, WHAT I BELIEVE THE DIRECTION TO STAFF WAS, WAS TO GO IN AND SEE WHAT RATES WERE WE CHARGING THESE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS FOR WATER WASTEWATER. 
          AND THEN WHAT WAS THE FEASIBILITY WITHIN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF TO GET THOSE AMENDED IF THOSE RATES DID NOT REFLECT OUR CURRENT RATES. 
          UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE, THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED SECTIONS ARE, UM, AGREEMENTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER. 
          UH, I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON OUR NEW FEE SCHEDULE THAT WENT ACTIVE IN JUNE, UH, THAT NONE OF THOSE RATES ARE, UH, UP TO THE CURRENT RATE. 
          UM, AND I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND DIRECTION FROM STAFF TO TAKE THIS EVEN FURTHER. 
          SO THANK YOU SARAH. 
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I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED GREEN, SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          INTERESTING. 
          UH, MAYBE THE COLOR DIDN'T SHOW UP WHEN WE UPLOADED IT INTO, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A, A, A MEMO THAT'S TITLED JULY 11TH, 2024, CITY COUNCIL MATERIALS. 
          UH, AND THEN IT SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN BY DIFFERENT SECTIONS. 
          THE SECTION TWO ANALYSIS OF AGREEMENTS 2 0 1 IS YOUR WATER AGREEMENTS. 
          UM, THAT BOTTOM AGREEMENT SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED GREEN FOR Y'ALL. 
          UM, I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT THEM GREEN, SO YOU, YOU, IT WAS EASY FOR YOU TO LOCATE WHICH OF THOSE ARE ACTIVE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN. 
          UM, THAT FIRST ONE IN THAT SECTION IS, UH, NOT EXPIRED. 
          IT WAS TERMINATED IN 2018. 
          SO APOLOGIES IF THAT DIDN'T, I CAN GO THROUGH IT IF IT, THAT HIGHLIGHT DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR Y ALL LIKE I CAN SEE IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S LIKE TAN. 
          IT'S THE BACKGROUND. 
          THE BACKGROUND IS FILLED WITH A, LIKE A OLIVE GREEN. 
          CORRECT? IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THAT CHART IS, IS HIGHLIGHTED PAGE ONE OF THE ITEM FORM OR 5 79 OF THE PACKET. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU SEE THE COLOR? YEAH, I JUST, IT'S NOT GREEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE THE, SORRY, IT'S GREEN ON MY SCREEN. 
          UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT EASY ENOUGH FOR Y'ALL TO DELINEATE FROM EACH OTHER. 
          UM, YOU DO SEE IT, SO YOU SAID THAT THE RATES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY COLLECTING ARE BELOW WHAT WE ARE COLLECTING, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          SO IN THE, THE WATER AGREEMENTS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE JONAH UM, WATER SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT, RIGHT NOW, THE RATES THAT WE ARE CHARGING THEM ARE BASED ON THE RATES THAT ARE, UM, MEMORIALIZED IN A DIFFERENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO IT SAYS IT IN THAT RATES AND FEES COLUMN, UM, THAT WE ARE AGREEING TO THE SAME RATES THAT JONAH HAS WITH THE BRAZOS RIVER AUTHORITY. 
          AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THERE, UM, WE HAVE WHAT THOSE CURRENT RATES ARE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE BELOW AND IT'S A LITTLE, UM, NOT APPLES TO APPLES EXACTLY, BUT LIKE THE WATER IS 2 35 PER 1000 GALLONS. 
          AND OUR CURRENT, UH, WATER RATES ARE BASED OFF OF KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE. 
          SO ZERO TO 5,000 GALLONS WOULD BE 5 84 FOR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT CAPACITY OF THAT AGREEMENT. 
          UH, WE JUST HAVE THAT BASE RATE IN THERE. 
          SO I'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH TO SEE HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF GALLONS ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING. 
          UM, I READ THAT AS 2 35 PER 1000. 
          AND THEN IF YOU TOOK THE, UH, THE 2 35 AND LET'S SAY IN THE ZERO TO FIVE, 5,000 GALLONS OF USING FIVE, THAT 2 35 TIMES FIVE TO GET YOU THAT ZERO TO $5,000, 5,000 GALLON RATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          LIKE I HAVE THE FLAT RATE HERE, BUT OUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE IS BASED ON A SLIDING SCALE ZERO TO 5,000 GALLONS. 
          5 0 1 TO 12, AND THEN SO ON. 
          I, I GET THAT. 
          MY, MY BIG QUESTION ON THIS ONE, AND THIS IS WHERE THIS, THIS SPECIFICALLY JONAH WATER ONE MM-HMM. 
           MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. 
          WHY I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS THAT WE'VE GOT THIS 50 YEAR AGREEMENT CORRECT. 
          HOW MUCH MAX WATER DO WE HAVE TO SELL TO THEM? ARE THEY BUYING FROM US? MM-HMM. 
          AND WE'RE BASICALLY RIGHT NOW SELLING IT AT A LOSS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           50% LOSS OR MORE MM-HMM. 
           DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THEY'RE BUYING. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE GONNA NEED TO REOPEN THAT AGREEMENT MM-HMM. 
           AND LOOK AT IT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID IN THAT SECTION 5.1 OF THAT AGREEMENT, IT SAYS WE'RE SELLING TO THEM AT, ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. 
          UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE PROCESS FOR THEM TO JUSTIFY WHAT IS NEEDED. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO IN MY TIME HERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO, UM, LIMIT THAT IN SOME WAY. 
          CONTRACTUALLY WE CAN WORK WITH LEGAL TO GET THAT DONE IF WE THINK THEY NEED TO BRING US JUSTIFYING DOCUMENT DOCUMENTATION SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED AND WHY. 
          UM, BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPLORE THOSE AVENUES FOR Y'ALL BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED WHY WE TERMINATED AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWED US TO CHANGE THE RATES BASED ON THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT AGREEMENT WAS TERMINATED IN 2018. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN INSTEAD WE PUT IN AND SAID, WELL, WHATEVER THIS THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, WHATEVER THEY CAN BUY, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR COST MODEL, MM-HMM. 
           IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA AGREE TO. 
          THAT'S A SUBJUGATION OF OUR LEGAL AUTHORITY. 
          THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE. 
          UM, BUT THIS KIND OF STUFF WE FIND HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ANYWAYS, UM, SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE US DEEP IN DIVE INTO THIS AGREEMENT AND THE BRASS RIVER AUTHORITY AND SEE WHAT OUR RISK IS BECAUSE MAYBE TODAY THEY DON'T NEED TO BUY WATER. 
          BUT I'M CONCERNED AS WE GO BY RECHARGE AND WE'VE GOT THIS RESERVATION FEES AND WE HAVE ALL THIS STUFF TO BRING IN THE WATER TO DO OUR ACTUAL WATER NEEDS, AND THEN THIS AGREEMENT SUB PRECEDES THAT AND THEY CAN BUY IT OUT FROM UNDER US AT A THIRD OF THE COST THAT'S PAYING FOR US. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT MIGHT BE AT SOME POINT THAT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE THEMSELVES, AND THEY'VE GOT NOW 
          [03:50:01]
A 50 YEAR DEAL THAT THEY CAN JUST BANKRUPT THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DIVE FURTHER INTO THAT. 
          SEE, THAT'S JUST ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE HAD IN OUR FILES. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO GO BACK AND LOOK HISTORICALLY AT WHAT WE'RE DEALING AT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO MORE THAN HAPPY TO DIVE FURTHER INTO THAT FOR Y'ALL. 
          SARAH. 
          DO, DO WE HAVE, UH, THE SAME AGREEMENT WITH JONAH WHERE WE CAN BUY WATER FROM THEM AS NEEDED? SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO SECTION 2.03, OTHER AGREEMENTS, I INCLUDED THOSE FOR COMPLETION. 
          UM, THERE IS NOT ONE, UH, IN THE FILES THAT I EVALUATED BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND JONAH. 
          THERE IS ONE BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU, UH, WHERE WE'RE PURCHASING WHOLESALE WASTEWATER FROM MANVILLE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE CITY OF HURO PURCHASING WASTEWATER FROM THE CITY OF TAYLOR. 
          I DID NOT SEE ONE IN THE FILES THAT I ANALYZED WITH JONAH. 
          I REMEMBER WASN'T THERE ONE WAST REMEMBER ONE I THOUGHT WE HAD TO FILL A TANK UP ONE DAY AND WE GOT IT FROM JONAH. 
          HAVE, HAVE WE EVER SOLD WATER THAT YOU KNOW OF TO JONAH? NOT BASED ON MY ANALYSIS OF THE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT I WAS GIVEN. 
          I THINK ONE TIME WE BOUGHT WATER FROM JONAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE A ONE-OFF DEAL THAT FILL TANKS FOR SOMETHING. 
          I WANNA SAY IT WAS BACK IN 19 OR 20. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR, I, I, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S AT LEAST, AT THE VERY LEAST A, A STANDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO UTILITIES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN INTERCONNECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR WATER TO FLOW BOTH WAYS. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN, IF MEMORY SERVES AND RICK IS GONE, IS HE THERE? WE, WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING WATER TO JONAH, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND RECENTLY. 
          YOU'LL HAVE TO TALK AT THE MICROPHONE, UNFORTUNATELY, UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU TO HAVE TO WALK UP TO THE FRONT. 
          ANYWAY. 
           MY JACKET. 
          MOST RECENTLY WE DID PROVIDE THEM TEMPORARILY WATER JONAH. 
          UM, SINCE THEN WE'VE DISCONTINUED THAT. 
          SO NOW, UM, MOST RECENTLY WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY INTER INTERCONNECT FOR JONAH TO PROVIDE US WATER AS WELL. 
          BUT NO CONTRACT IN PLACE? NO. 
          I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, MONICA BURKE, UTILITY BILLING SUPERVISOR. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. 
          BUT WE DO SELL WATER TO JONAH. 
          THERE'S A TWO INCH WATER METER THAT PROVIDES TO A LITTLE SECTION THAT'S OVER HERE BY THE HU CEMETERY. 
          THOSE HOMES THAT ARE BACK THERE. 
          THERE'S, WELL, THAT ONE LITTLE POCKET OF JONAH MM-HMM. 
           THAT'S SURROUNDED BY A MAN. 
          HOW DID THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, AND THEY PROVIDE, THEY BILL THOSE CUSTOMERS AND WE JUST PROVIDE THE WATER AND IT'S LIKE BETWEEN 200 TO 300,000 GALLONS A MONTH, DEPENDING ON THE MONTH DURING THE WINTER. 
          IT'S LESS DURING THE SUMMERS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WATER WE SELL AT THIS TIME TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO RENEGOTIATE THAT SECTION THAT IT HAS TO MATCH. 
          THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT GET 50% LESS THAN EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES AROUND THEM IN HU OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          AND I CAN EXPLORE THE TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT'S FACILITATING THAT. 
          UM, I'LL JUMP INTO THAT AS WELL AND SEE WHAT I CAN FIND BEFORE WE TRY TO RENEGOTIATE. 
          WE SIT DOWN WITH BILL BROWN AND THOSE GUYS BECAUSE YOU COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT AND THEY COULD JUST SAY NO. 
          FAIR. 
          THAT'S, BUT I THINK, BUT I THINK THE BIGGER THING OUGHT TO BE IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO BUY WATER FROM THEM AS NEEDED, WHAT IS THAT RATE WHEN WE NEED IT? AND SO I THINK WHAT MAYBE A GLOBAL TYPE DEAL TO WHERE MM-HMM. 
          WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO WHERE IF WE NEED WATER TO, TO A LINE BREAKER OR SOMETHING, WE CAN BUY WATER FROM JONAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN IN RETURN, HEY, IS THERE A WAY JUST TO ABSORB THAT PART OF THE CN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO, IT'S WEIRD THAT THEY HAVE THAT LITTLE PIECE DOWN THERE ANYWAY, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LEFTOVER DEAL. 
          I'D RATHER SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT MORE THAN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          PERFECT. 
          I CAN EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT. 
          AND WITH SOME OF THE, THOSE NOT REAL FLEXIBLE. 
          DEFINITELY WITH SOME OF THE EMERGENCY THINGS TOO, I CAN DIVE IN AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF AGREEMENT MIGHT BE COVERING YEAH. 
          UH, WHAT WE ARE REFERENCING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOUR ITEM, YOU WANNA DO ANYTHING DIRECTION? UM, YEAH. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, THE JONAH WATER AGREEMENT FOR THAT LITTLE SECTION THAT WE'RE SELLING. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          ALWAYS TO, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THAT OVER OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD TO, UH, MAKE IT EQUITABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN HOT PAYING INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. 
          SO YOU CAN, CAN YOU WORD THAT IN 15 WORDS OR LESS  SO WE KNOW WHAT THE MAKE THAT AGENDA ITEM BE? YEAH. 
          JONAH WATERS SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT RAPE FEE, UH, 
          [03:55:01]
UH, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORD, UM, REVISION, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING THE, THAT SMALL SECTION THAT WE SELL WATER TO, MAY I SUGGEST INSTEAD OF RATE FEE, IT JUST SAYS SOMETHING LIKE JONAH WATER AGREEMENT REVIEW. 
          SURE. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SURE. 
          IS THAT BETTER TO DO LIKE AGREEMENT, NOT JUST REVIEW THE RATES? MM-HMM. 
           THAT, THAT WORKS FOR ME. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA MAKE, UM, AGREEMENTS PLURAL, BECAUSE THERE STILL IS THAT WATER AGREEMENT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE BRAZOS RIVER AUTHORITY AGREEMENT. 
          THAT'S SO WE CAN OPEN BOTH OF THOSE UP AGREEMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          JOAN OF WATER AGREEMENTS, WHAT'S THE NEXT WORD? WHAT DO WE, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO DO THIS AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MAYBE PERFECT REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, Y'ALL ARE THE ONES SITTING UP THERE, SO I'LL LET YOU MAKE THE MOTIONS. 
          . 
          NO, I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, IT SOMETIMES LIKE DOTTY HELPS US. 
          WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT WE GOTTA PUT IT IN A MANNER WHERE THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DON CAN READ IT AND GO, OH, I KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING. 
          IF WE JUST SAY, REVIEW WATER AGREEMENTS, YOU REALLY NOT. 
          'CAUSE YOU, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING ANY WORK BEHIND THE SCENES UNTIL WE ACTUALLY TELL YOU TO GO DO IT. 
          SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF TELLING YOU GO DO IT. 
          BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO TELL YOU TO DO? OKAY, LET'S TRY IT AGAIN. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE SO FAR? AND I'LL HELP YOU FILLING GAPS. 
          , JUST LIKE JONAH WATER AGREEMENTS. 
          UH, REVIEW AND REVIEW OF JONAH WATER AGREEMENTS FOR TEST PRACTICES BASED ON CURRENT WATER, UH, RATES OF THE CITY. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTED. 
          LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THIS UNFUNDED MM-HMM. 
           AGREEMENT WHERE WE'VE GOT THIS, UH, LIABILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, I WANNA SHORE UP ANY CLOSING LOOP, ANY CLOSE, ANY LOOPS IN OUR ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE GENERAL WATER. 
          A AGREEMENTS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF. 
          YES. 
          FINE. 
          YOU DOING GREAT? ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          YOU SAID THAT THORNTON DAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU GIVE THE SECOND TO, UH, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL PASSFIELD AYE. 
          MAYOR . 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR STANDARD. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          NEXT WE HAVE 
          [13.2. Discussion and possible action providing direction to staff on the 42-inch wastewater line for the Cottonwood/Allora property (Matt Rector)]
DISCU ITEM 13 TWO, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THE 42 INCH WASTEWATER LINE FOR THE COTTONWOOD EL AURORA PROPERTY. 
          GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR COUNSEL. 
          UH, SO THIS ITEM CAME BEFORE YOU ON JUNE 6TH, AND YOU ASKED US TO BRING IT BACK. 
          AND JUST A REFRESHER. 
          SO THIS IS ACTUALLY STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SER FOR THIS PROJECT, THE LAST SER I'LL SAY. 
          AND SO THE SEGMENT OF THE LINE IN QUESTION IS HIGHLIGHTED AS ITEM NUMBER TWO DOWN THERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE MAP. 
          UM, LAST TIME WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, I HAD PRESENTED THIS TIMELINE. 
          UH, COUNSEL ASKED FOR MORE DETAILS AND THE BACKUP INFORMATION. 
          I BELIEVE ALL THE BACKUP FOR MOST OF THIS IS IN YOUR DROPBOX, IN YOUR TEAMS CHANNEL. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CORRESPONDENCE GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          UH, THERE'S A LOT OF EMAILS, BUT BASICALLY, UH, THE ORIGINAL SER FOR THIS PROJECT WAS SENT OUT ON DECEMBER 30TH, 2021. 
          KEEP IN MIND, I'M JUST GONNA PUT MY DISCLAIMER OUT THERE. 
          I DIDN'T GET HERE UNTIL 2023 . 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT I'M BAS IS ON FILES THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND. 
          UM, SO  DECEMBER 30TH, 2021, ORIGINAL SER WENT OUT AND UPDATED. 
          SER WENT OUT AUGUST 19TH, 2022. 
          UH, A THIRD SER OR AN UPDATED SER WENT OUT ON JANUARY 20TH, 23. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS A MEETING HELD BETWEEN THE CITY, BGE AND LENNAR ON JANUARY 26TH, WHICH PROMPTED A FOURTH SER BEING SENT OUT ON JANUARY 30TH. 
          MORE CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED. 
          THE FINAL SER, WHICH IS THE MAP THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU, CAME OUT ON FEBRUARY, 2023 IN APRIL. 
          LENNAR REQUESTED COORDINATION FOR THE CONNECTION OF THAT 42 INCH LINE INTO THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH WAS BEING DESIGNED. 
          THERE'S A LIFT STATION BEING DESIGNED AT THE CENTRAL PLANT BY DCS, WHICH IS OUR CONSULTANT. 
          AND SO I SET UP THE COORDINATION BETWEEN BGE, WHICH IS LENNAR'S ENGINEER AND OUR ENGINEER STARTING IN MAY. 
          UM, AND SO WE WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT TALKING THROUGH 
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THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HOW WE WERE GONNA GET THIS LINE DONE. 
          AND THEN HONESTLY, IT KIND OF FELL OFF MY RADAR 'CAUSE BGE AND DCS HAD IT. 
          AND, UM, I CHECKED WITH BGE IN JANUARY AND I GOT THE RESPONSE THAT'S IN YOUR TEAM'S THING, BASICALLY, THAT IT HAD FALLEN OFF THEIR RADAR AND THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN BUSY WITH THEIR SITE PLANS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND THEY NEEDED TO RE REENGAGE. 
          UM, IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, WE GOT THE FIRST SUBMITTAL OF THE 42 INCH PLANS. 
          WE PROVIDED THEM RESPONSES IN MAY, THEY RESUBMITTED IN JUNE. 
          WE PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF THE RECAP OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WILL, THE DIRECTION WAS TO FACILITATE A CONVERSATION AND GIVE YOU GUYS BACKGROUND INFORMATION. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO GO FROM HERE OTHER THAN THERE'S THE INFORMATION AND NO, I, THAT WAS MY REQUEST, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO ORIGINALLY I BROUGHT THIS UP. 
          I WAS IN A MEETING, I BELIEVE WITH COUNCIL MAYOR KOLAR. 
          AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE CAN'T DEVELOP THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY UNTIL THIS LINE IS IN SERVICE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UM, KIND OF. 
          YES. 
          THE, THE, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SER THAT I'VE, I'VE PUT THE MAP BACK UP. 
          WE ESTIMATED THAT THE COTTONWOOD PROJECT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 1,400 LU AND SO, UM, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE EXISTING 12 INCH LINE FOR ANY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS TO BE FULLY SERVED. 
          AND SO THERE'S THREE PROJECTS THERE. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE ALLORA PROJECT, WHICH IS ON THE FAR NORTHERN CORNER, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FRITZ AND THE GRINDER PROJECTS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COTTONWOOD. 
          UM, AND SO BASICALLY FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE TO BE SERVED, THIS ADDITIONAL LINE HAS TO BE INSTALLED. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN THE COTTONWOOD PROJECT GOES TO DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD NEED TO CONSTRUCT THIS LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF IT, IF IT WENT FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I'M A SELFISH PERSON, RIGHT? I DON'T CARE ABOUT DEVELOPERS. 
          LIKE I CARE ABOUT HOW TO, SO $3,000 A DAY INTEREST CARRYING COST ON LAND, THAT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A GROCERY STORE RIGHT NOW, THEY CAN'T BUILD IT UNTIL SOMEONE DESIGNS THE LINE, AS I TELL, INTERRUPT ME WHEN I'M WRONG, UNTIL SOMEONE DESIGNS THE LINE, GETS PERMISSION FROM UP TO GO UNDERNEATH OR OVER OR SOMEHOW THROUGH THEIR RAILROAD LINE. 
          AND THEN THEY GOTTA BID IT OUT, CONSTRUCT IT, AND HAVE ALL THAT DONE BEFORE. 
          SO WHAT I TOLD JAMES WAS, I'M LIKE, AT $3,000 A DAY, LIKE TO ME, THIS, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS. 
          I THOUGHT IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PUSHED IT BY THE LAND BECAUSE I WOULD'VE SAID, GOOD LUCK TO THE NEXT GUY. 
          YOU CAN'T GET CAPACITY. 
          AND HERE WE BOUGHT IT AND WE'RE 18 MONTHS LATER, SO WE'RE 1.8 MILLION IN INTEREST GONE. 
          AND WE'RE DEPENDING, AS I SEE IT, WE'RE DEPENDING ON LENNAR TO DESIGN A LINE. 
          ONCE THEY DESIGN IT, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR IT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME OF IT OR WE'RE GONNA REIMBURSE 'EM. 
          BUT SOMEONE'S STILL GOTTA GO UNDERNEATH 79 CONNECT TO THE TREATMENT PLAN. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT OUR, WHAT EXACTLY OUR PLAN IS FOR ALL THAT. 
          AS WE SIT ON THIS LAND, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND A MONTH IN CARRY COST. 
          THIS JUST JUMPED UP TO BE LIKE A, LIKE A HUGE ISSUE FOR ME PERSONALLY. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE US TO SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU GUYS, ONE, HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE SURE LENNAR DOESN'T USE HIS LEVERAGE AGAINST US? MAYBE THEY HAVE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          AND THEN TWO, HOW ARE WE FUNDING THIS THING? AND IN THREE, HOW ARE WE GETTING UNDER UP? 'CAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS THERE QUICK. 
          SO I MEAN, WE COULD BE THREE YEARS AWAY BEFORE WE COULD DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER ALMOST $4 MILLION IN CARRY COSTS THAT WE'RE OUT. 
          SO WE COULD BE OUT 6 MILLION ON LAND THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP, BECAUSE I HEARD THAT IN A MEETING AND I WAS LIKE, DAMN, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A 42 INCH LINE ISSUE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GOTTA DO AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, NOT THAT IT WOULD FALL OFF YOUR RADAR AGAIN, BUT IT BECOMES LIKE JAMES'S TOP 10 PRIORITIES IN THE CITY IS THAT WE'RE MEETING WITH UP, WE'RE COMING TO COUNCILS WITH HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND IT, AND THEN WE'RE FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DESIGNED. 
          'CAUSE ANY POINT THEY COULD DO, BY THE TIME WE DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES AND WATER AND WASTEWATER, LENNAR MAY PUT PENCILS DOWN IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S FUNDING THE WHOLE, OR DESIGN THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO IF THEY STOP DOING RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, WHAT GETS US TO GET GOING? UM, IT'S I GUESS THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. 
          AND I DIDN'T MIND ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTING MORE INFORMATION. 
          TO ME IT'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A FIVE ALARM FIRE. 
          IT, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A POSITION LIKE THIS TO WHERE WE'RE COMPLETELY BEHOLDEN TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          SO, UM, I GOT A QUESTION. 
          OH, SO 
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WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE MAYOR IS THAT THE EDC CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THIS LAND UNTIL THE CITY BUILDS A LINE. 
          WAS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND. 
          IS THAT THE WAY YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING IT? SO THIS, THE EDC IS BASICALLY JUST SITTING THERE HANDS IN THE AIR, HOPELESS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          THE CITY NEEDS TO BUILD THIS LINE. 
          WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN THIS LAND. 
          BUT I MEAN, UM, COULD I, CAN I HAVE MAYBE CHENEY COME UP AND ASK HER A COUPLE? I MEAN, SURE. 
          SO, 'CAUSE I MEAN, I'M THINKING IF, IF MIDWAY IS WORKING ON THIS AND THEY'VE GOT A GROCERY STORE OR THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP THERE, WOULDN'T THAT GROCERY STORE THEN HELP FUND THIS LINE? INSTEAD OF HAVING LENNAR FUND IT, THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE READY TO BUILD, WE'RE READY TO BUY THIS, THIS CHUNK OF LAND AND, AND WE'LL BUILD THE LINE. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT TOO SIMPLE? IS THAT WE HAVE THE TERMS ON BOTH SIDES SO WE COULD EVEN DO CAPITAL RECOVERY FOR THEM OVER TIME? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT LIKE, SO I MEAN, I, I'LL ANSWER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT YOU, YOU ASKED FOR TANYA TO COME UP HERE, SO YOU PROBABLY WANNA HEAR HER TALK RATHER THAN ME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS YOUR CITY ENGINEER. 
          YES. 
          IF MIDWAY BROUGHT GROCER X IN TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THERE AND THEY HAD, THEY HAD IT LAID OUT, I WOULD HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT I HAD WITH, THAT I'VE HAD WITH FRITZ AND GRINDER THAT WE NEED YOU GUYS TO DESIGN AND BUILD THIS LINE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVE YOU IN THE EXISTING 12 INCH. 
          AND SO THEN IT WOULD BE ON THEM TO, TO DO THE SAME THING THAT LENNAR IS DOING. 
          THAT THAT'S MY TAKE. 
          YEAH. 
          THANKS CHANEY. 
          GAMBOA, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          REALLY I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS JUST A TIMING ISSUE. 
          SO LENNAR IS READY TO GO NOW AND THEY WANNA BUILD IT NOW SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES WITH MIDWAYS PLANNING. 
          PART OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IS FIGURING OUT THEIR CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN ESTIMATING WHAT TYPE OF L UI L LUS THEY WOULD NEED AS WELL AS OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO THOSE PLANS WOULD COME FORWARD, UM, AT THAT TIME AND THEY WOULD PLAN THE DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO HOW LENNAR IS PLANNING THEIRS. 
          THEY HAVE THE NEED FOR IT NOW, SO THEY WANNA BUILD IT. 
          NOW COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES IS NOT AS FAR ALONG IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, SO WE DON'T NEED IT NOW. 
          SO, SO COTTONWOOD ISN'T ON HOLD AND, AND BECAUSE OF THIS LINE, NO, COTTONWOOD ISN'T JUST SITTING NO, IT IS NOT, IT'S STILL IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WITH MIDWAY. 
          SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR THAT LINE AT THIS TIME. 
          IT WILL BE REQUIRED AS THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPS AND THAT WILL BE AFFIRMED WITH MIDWAY'S CONCEPT PLAN. 
          I'M SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IS THAT IT, IT WAS SOUNDING TO ME LIKE COTTONWOOD CAN'T DEVELOP BECAUSE THIS LINE ISN'T, ISN'T THERE? THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          IT'S IF AND WHEN COTTONWOOD IS READY TO DEVELOP, THE LINE WILL GET BUILT BY WHOEVER NEEDS TO BUILD IT FIRST. 
          WHETHER IT'S LENNAR THAT GETS IT DONE FIRST, OR WHETHER IT'S SOME OTHER PERSON WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP IN THERE. 
          BUT, BUT THIS ISN'T LIKE COSTING THIS, THE EDC, WHAT IS IT, $3,000 A DAY? NO, BECAUSE WE WOULD SELL THE LAND AND WE WOULD RECOUP THAT MONEY SPENT. 
          HOLD ON. 
          NO ONE'S GONNA BUY LAND EXCEPT FOR US THAT DOESN'T HAVE UTILITY SERVICE. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT, I'M ATTAIN NOW. 
          THERE'S ALMOST NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA WALK UP AND SOMEONE'S GONNA SAY, I'LL SPEND $20 MILLION ON LAND THAT I DON'T HAVE SEWER CAPACITY TO, AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA FIND IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. 
          AND I SAY IT IS DELAYING US BECAUSE THERE'S A CRITICAL ISSUE HERE THAT THEY CAN'T, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WILL NAR GET DONE WITH IT? WHEN WILL NAR START CONSTRUCTION? DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN? WE DON'T HAVE A CONSTRUCTION DATE YET. 
          LIKE I, LIKE I SHOWED IN THE OTHER SLIDE, WE JUST SENT THEM BACK COMMENTS ON THEIR SECOND ROUND OF SUBMITTALS THIS WEEK. 
          AND UH, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THEIR DESIGN ENGINEER ASKING HIM IF HE'S READY FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS WITH UPRR BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GIVEN HIM. 
          OR IF HE WANTS TO WAIT UNTIL HIS NEXT ROUND. 
          RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M GETTING IS, RIGHT NOW TODAY, IT'S NOT A DELAY, BUT JUST LIKE LIMMER IN 1660, I SAID, WE'RE WAITING ON UTILITIES, GET RELOCATED. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DELAYED. 
          NO, WE'LL BE FINE. 
          NOW WE HAVE A DELAY WITH ENCORE. 
          WE'RE NOT, WHAT'D YOU SAY EARLIER, CONSER CLARA ABOUT HEADS ON THE TABLE. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK UP AND SEE THE ISSUE HERE. 
          YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT WANTS TO BUILD A GROCERY STORE AND DEVELOP IT. 
          LET'S SAY THEY DO IT AND THEY GO, ONE PROBLEM, WE NEED THE LINE DONE. 
          LENNAR'S STILL OUT DESIGNING THE LINE. 
          WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO BRING BACK COMMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT COULD BE, UNLESS YOU GUYS TELL ME I'M WRONG, IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS, IT COULD BE SIX, IT COULD BE THREE YEARS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          I MEAN, THEORETICALLY THEY MAY NOT BUILD A DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          I MEAN, IS THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? 
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AND SO IF THEY DON'T BUILD A POSS IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA EXPECT MIDWAY WITH NO INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY, I'M ASSUMING. 
          RIGHT? NOT, THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEY'RE JUST GONNA BUILD A 42 INCH LINE, WHICH I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD COST, BUT IT WOULD BE ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH. 
          SO ALL I'M SAYING IS WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING IN TERMS OF WHO'S BUILDING THE LINE AND WHO'S FUNDING IT. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA DEPEND ON A DEVELOPER TODAY, IT'S NOT A DELAY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY DELAYING YOU SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE READY TO START DOING SOMETHING. 
          AND WE'RE GOING, WELL, HOLD ON, WE JUST NOW STARTED TALKING TO UP. 
          HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET WITH UP ON 1660 SOUTH AND 79? TWO, THREE YEARS? I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS STARTED THAT. 
          WELL, YOU'VE BEEN HERE HOW LONG? I'VE BEEN HERE 18 MONTHS. 
          AND HOW'S THAT GOING WITH THEM? ARE THEY REAL FAST TO TURN STUFF AROUND OR ARE THEY NO, NOT REALLY. 
          SO, UH, UH, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS YEAH, TODAY NOT A DELAY, BUT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, SOMEONE'S GONNA GO, WELL, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          WE DON'T, THE, THE PLANS AREN'T DONE OR UPS NOT ANSWERING EMAILS. 
          AND I'M SAYING TODAY, YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHEN DO YOU WANT MIDWAY? WHEN DO WE WANT MIDWAY TO BUILD THE BUILD ON THE PROPERTY? SO IF WE SAY WE WANT IT IN 2029, WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME. 
          IF WE SAY, HEY, WE WANT 'EM TO START IN A YEAR. 
          MAYOR, IF I MIGHT, UM, JAMES RP, CITY MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. 
          SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMPLICATING FACTOR TO, TO ADD TO THE, THE ARGUMENT BEING MADE IS THAT IF LENNAR SAY TAKES THREE MONTHS AND GETS THEIR PLANS APPROVED AND THEN DECIDES NOT TO BUILD, AND THEN WE DECIDE TO TAKE IT OVER OR MIDWAY DECIDES TO START, THAT DESIGN PROCESS HAS TO START ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH BECAUSE THE DESIGN DOESN'T BELONG TO US. 
          IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THE EDC, IT BELONGS TO LENAR. 
          AND UNLESS THE LENAR IS LIKE, HEY, PAY US FOR OUR COST AND YOU CAN HAVE THE DESIGN, WHICH I'VE HAD HAPPEN BEFORE, IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT UNLESS THEY DO THAT, WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON DESIGN ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'VE SEEN IT DELAY. 
          SO DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENT DESIGN LENNAR IS AT ON THIS? SO TYPICALLY WE SEE, OR BGE E YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY GRAY ENGINEERING NOW, BUT OKAY, I WON'T GO. 
          OH YEAH, REMEMBER, I REMEMBER YOU GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          UM, LEONARD ENGINEERING. 
          AND SO, UH, TYPICALLY IT TAKES AROUND THREE ROUNDS OF REVIEWS TO GET THERE. 
          SO I'D SAY MAYBE THERE'RE 60% DESIGNED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE OTHER THING, UM, MAYOR, TO, TO YOUR POINT, I ANTICIPATED SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES, UM, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH. 
          SO JUST FOR, JUST FOR REFERENCE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL DESIGNING THAT 42 INCH LINE, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO UP ON THE SCREEN THERE. 
          HOWEVER, THEY'VE ALREADY A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED ALL OF NUMBER ONE. 
          AND PART OF, I CAN'T REALLY SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          I THINK IT'S 5 5, 5 OR OR FOUR. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGNED. 
          THE FRITZ AND GRINDER DEVELOPMENTS ARE TECHNICALLY NOT IN THE CITY, THEY'RE IN THE COUNTY. 
          THEY DID NOT ANNEX. 
          BUT UM, WHEN WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH NAR, I TOLD THEM THAT I CANNOT PERMIT YOUR STUFF TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THIS 42 INCH LINE IS IN PLACE. 
          SO THEY PUSHED BACK AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION NOW. 
          OUR PLANS ARE BASICALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT DONE AND WE'RE IN THE COUNTY, SO WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? SO I CALLED THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND I SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS ISSUE. 
          HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS? SO THE COUNTY ENGINEER HAD THEM PUT NODES ON THEIR PLATS SAYING THAT THEY COULD NOT START WASTEWATER FLOWING UNTIL THE COUNTY GETS APPROVAL FROM THE CITY SAYING THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH IT. 
          AND THEN ON THEIR WASTEWATER PLANS THAT THEY HAD TO GET APPROVED THROUGH US, WE HAD THEM INCLUDE NOTES STATING THAT THEY WOULD NOT FLUSH ANY TOILETS UNTIL EITHER A PUMP AND HAUL SYSTEM WAS IN PLACE, WHICH I BELIEVE SARAH IS WORKING ON WITH THEM. 
          OR THAT 42 INCH LINE WAS CONSTRUCTED. 
          SO THEY, I'VE TRIED MY BEST TO PUT PLACE THINGS IN PLACE THAT WOULD KEEP THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE, SO TO SPEAK, TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP THEM IN THE GAME, KEEP US IN THE GAME, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S TALKING TO EVERYBODY, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL FOR THAT WHOLE AREA. 
          SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IT AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU A TIMELINE, BUT I'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT I COULD THINK OF TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN THE SAME DIRECTION. 
          SO WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THIS WILL HOLD UP ANY DEVELOPMENT ON COTTONWOOD. 
          NO, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. 
          THAT WE WON'T. 
          IF MIDWAY WERE TO FINISH TODAY, I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE LENNAR STUFF WOULDN'T DELAY WHATEVER MIDWAY COMES UP WITH, BUT MIDWAY HASN'T EVEN STARTED. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO PART OF THE LINES THAT MATT'S REFERRING TO ON THE DRAWING HERE ARE ON COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES. 
          SO THE LINE ALONG 79 ON THE 
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NORTH SIDE THAT RUNS OVER TO THAT 42 INCH LINE IS ON COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES. 
          AND SO THOSE EASEMENTS STILL HAVE TO BE SECURED AS WELL. 
          UM, SO MIDWAY'S GONNA HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT TOO, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN OF THAT OVERPASS. 
          SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO MAKE THE WHOLE SYSTEM WORK, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S NEEDED, UM, TO MAKE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN AND DEVELOP. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE LENNAR, THEY'RE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT RIGHT HERE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DESIGNED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ONE IN RED, FIVE IN BLACK, AND FOUR IN BLACK. 
          BUT WHAT'S MISSING IS JUST THE 45 INCH OR 42, SORRY, 42, I'M UPSIZING IT. 
          UM, SO IS THERE, I KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE OWNING THEIR WORK. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, HOW THE CITY HAS LIKE COST SHARING, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THE CITY DOES A WASTEWATER LINE, BUT THEN AS PEOPLE CONNECT, YOU PAY YOUR SHARE. 
          COULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED TO BE A BENEFIT FOR THEM TO, TO DO THAT? BUT HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET THAT STARTED? HOW DO WE, 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS ON THE CITY SIDE, RIGHT? HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE PRIVATE WORLD, RIGHT? TO GET THEM SOME MONEY BACK, SOME COST BACK IN THEIR POCKET. 
          SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, IF, IF WE WANT TO CONTROL THE TIMETABLE, THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO DO THAT IS TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND BUILD THE CRITICAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE PART THAT GOES UNDER 79 UNDER UPR AND TOUCHES THE BOTTOM CORNER OF COTTONWOOD PROPERTY. 
          IF THAT SE SEGMENT IS THERE, THE REST OF THAT LINE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BUILT TODAY BECAUSE COTTONWOOD MIDWAY COULD COME UP WITH AN INTERNAL DRAINAGE PLAN SO LONG AS THEY HAVE A PLACE FOR THE SEWER TO GO. 
          SO IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING DELAYED BY WHETHER OR NOT LENNAR'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD OR NOT, THE THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE STRATEGIC ASPECT OF THAT, WHICH IS THE, THE NUMBER TWO ON THERE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SEGMENT THAT GOES UNDERNEATH EVERYTHING AND THEN OVER TO THE CENTRAL PLANT. 
          THAT THAT'S THE CRITICAL PIECE. 
          THE REST OF THAT LINE DOESN'T MATTER TODAY. 
          IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER TOMORROW NECESSARILY, BUT THAT PIECE DOES BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER OR WASTEWATER TO GO, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          OKAY? SO IT'S REALLY LATE AT NIGHT. 
          AND THIS MIGHT BE OUTLANDISH. 
          SO IF, AND THIS I, THIS MAY NOT EVEN GO WITH THE, THE PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN OF HOW THIS IS ALL DESIGNED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE ALL THIS FLOW TO THE CENTRAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          COULD IT, I GUESS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE SAME IF WE, IF WE MOVE, LIKE SAY THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY TO HOOK IT UP TO LIKE 1 32 TO FLOW TO THE SOUTH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          I KNOW THAT IS CRAZY 'CAUSE IT'S LATE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I DON'T EVEN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE BUILT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE AT ANY TIME. 
          'CAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA GET OF ALL THAT CONNECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PLANT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT PLANT UPSIZED TO EVEN DO IT. 
          THAT'S SO FAR OUT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S BEYOND THAT SCOPE. 
          THIS IS MORE LIKELY THAT'S A BIGGER RISK THAN JUST WAITING AND WAITING. 
          I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 90 DAYS WE FIND OUT IF WE GET THROUGH THE FINAL REVIEW, WE GET THERE. 
          THEY, IF THEY COME BACK IN 30 DAYS AFTER YOUR COMMENTS AND SAY, HEY, YEP, GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT TO UNION PACIFIC, WE DO THAT, THEN I THINK YOU GO DOWN THAT PATH. 
          WELL WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM YOU GUYS IS A DIRECTION TO SAY AT WHAT POINT DO WE EITHER REACH OUT TO LENNAR AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO TAKE OVER THIS PROJECT. 
          WHAT DEAL CAN WE DO? CAN WE PAY THE NRE MONEY OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT IN FOR THE DESIGN AND WE TAKE OVER THE PROJECT STRATEGICALLY OR WE SEE IT'S MOVING FORWARD AND, AND WE JUST GO DOWN THE PATH WE'RE STILL ON. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DECISION BE. 
          DON'T TRY TO DO SOME OTHER CREATIVE THING. 
          'CAUSE NONE OF US ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS. 
          WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND WE DIDN'T. 
          WE SPENT, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON FREEZE NICKELS AND DCS AND ALL THESE PEOPLE DESIGNED THIS WHOLE WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM. 
          SO JUST DRAWING A PENCIL AND SAYING, WELL WHAT ABOUT THAT? THAT'S DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. 
          SO, OKAY THEN WE NEED, WE NEED TO PUT THIS WATER LINE ON OUR CIP LIST AND WE NEED TO FUND IT. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO RECOVER COSTS FROM FRITZ SKYER, FROM LENAR NEED FROM AOR, FROM COTTONWOOD AS WELL. 
          BUT, BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION. 
          BUT DON'T BUT BABY, BUT YOU DON'T TAKE THE, IF YOU'RE ALREADY AT 60% DESIGN AND YOU CAN HAVE A FINAL SOLUTION IN PROBABLY 90 DAYS, YOU DON'T THROW THAT AWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT 90 DAYS. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BACK ON THE TIMELINE ONCE, JUST REMIND US WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, 
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THAT DOESN'T MATTER NOW. 
          IT'S WHERE WE THINK THE TIMELINE WILL BE GOING FORWARD. 
          I KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER NOW. 
          YOU WAIT 90 DAYS AND IN 90 DAYS YOU GO, WELL THEY'RE ALMOST HERE. 
          THEY JUST TALKED. 
          BUT LAMAR'S GONNA ASK FOR SOME MONEY BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE 60% DESIGN NEED 90 NEED 90 MORE DAYS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG, WRONG WITH THEY, THE CITY GOING TO THEM AND SAYING, HEY, WE'D WANNA PARTNER WITH YOU ON THIS. 
          WE'LL PAY FOR HALF THE ENGINEERING COST, BUT WE WANNA HURRY UP AND GET SOME STUFF GOING. 
          THEY THINK WE DRAG OUR FEET TO ME AGAIN, IT'S $3,000 A DAY. 
          ANY, IF YOU SAVE SIX MONTHS, NOW YOU'RE SAVING, THAT'S 600 GRAND YOU SAVE NEXT YEAR, THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          BUT, BUT YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY WON'T BUY THE LAND OVER THAT SIX MONTHS WHILE IT'S STILL DESIGN. 
          THEY ALREADY OWN IT. 
          THEY ALREADY OWN IT. 
          I I'M ASSUMING THIS THEY DOESN'T OWN IT. 
          THEY DO NOT OWN THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY. 
          NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT KEEP, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE THROWING UP THE INTEREST COST. 
          YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY WON'T HAVE A BUYER OF THE PROPERTY KNOWING IT'S IN DESIGN. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A FLAWED ARGUMENT. 
          THAT'S YOUR OPINION. 
          I KNOW YOU DO AND I WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. 
          I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB. 
          AND YOU DON'T, THAT DOESN'T, LEMME ASK YOU THIS. 
          HAS ANYBODY CLOSED ON, ON MEGA SITE LAND WITHOUT WATER AND WASTEWATER AND ROADS BUILT, ARE THEY ALL STILL WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? THEY ARE WAITING ON THE COMPLETION OF THE SPINE ROAD. 
          SO THERE WE GO. 
          THEY'RE WAITING ON A ROAD. 
          SURELY PUMPING A TOILET IS GONNA BE JUST AS IMPORTANT. 
          SO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT THEY DON'T NEED, THEY NEED A ROAD TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE BUILDINGS. 
          THEY DON'T NEED TO FLUSH A TOILET WHILE THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION. 
          THEY CAN TELL MAYOR'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          MAYOR IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          SO IF, IF I MAY, SO THERE, THERE MAY BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION THAT KIND OF DOES ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED. 
          SARAH TELLS ME THAT LENNAR IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THEIR PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT APPROVED OR THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR REVIEW SO WE CAN BRING IT TO YOU TO APPROVE. 
          I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE MATT AND SARAH PITCH TO LENNAR THE POSSIBLE PARTNERSHIP ON THAT CRITICAL SEGMENT OF THE 42. 
          IF CERTAIN THRESHOLDS ARE TRIGGERED, THEN THEY WOULD AGREE TO SELL US THEIR ENGINEERING DESIGN THAT'S COMPLETED. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE OVER THE PROJECT AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD FUND IT AND THEN WE WOULD GO BUILD IT. 
          SO WE'D HAVE EVERYTHING ALL WRAPPED UP IN THE EVENT THAT LENNAR DOESN'T. 
          NOW THAT ONLY WORKS IF THEY COMPLETE THE DESIGN OBVIOUSLY. 
          BUT IF THEY COMPLETE THE DESIGN AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY HAVE A HICCUP, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE BECAUSE THEY WANT THE PUMP AND HAUL AS THEIR BACKSTOP IN CASE WE GET THINGS HELD UP ON OUR SIDE ON WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AT THE PLANT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AS I REMEMBER THEY WANTED, THAT IS A BACKSTOP IN CASE THE PLANT AND ALSO IN CASE WE CAN'T GET IT WORKED OUT WITH UP WELL IF WE CAN'T GET IT WORKED OUT FOR UP, IT'S EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM. 
          NOT JUST THEIRS. 
          WELL THAT'S WHY THEY WANT THE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THEY WANTED IT, THEY WANTED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUMPING HOLE IN A CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T COME THROUGH SAY JULY OF NEXT YEAR WITH THE UP AGREEMENT. 
          THEY WANTED US TO FUND A PUMPING HOLE BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE DON'T DO DEVELOPMENT UNLESS THEY GOT A SEWER. 
          SO AM I RIGHT ON THAT? THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO GOING, GOING A LITTLE BIT BACK, IT, IT STARTED BECAUSE IN THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THE OTHER LINES, THE 21 INCH LINE AND, AND ALL THE LINES RUNNING THROUGH THEIR SITE, THEY HAD A NOTE ON THERE THAT SAID, FOR OFFSITE 42 INCH LINE TO BE BUILT BY OTHERS. 
          AND SINCE WE HAD ALREADY HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM IN ALL OF THE EMAILS AND BACK AND FORTH THAT THEY WERE GONNA DESIGN AND BUILD THAT LINE, I BASICALLY DENIED THEIR PLANS AND SAID, YOU HAVE TO DESIGN THIS LINE AND IT HAS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THESE OTHER LINES CAN EVEN WORK. 
          AND THEY SAID, WELL THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA BE YEARS OUT FROM STARTING OUR PROJECT AND WE NEED TO START OUR PROJECT. 
          WHAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE? AND I SAID, WELL THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE YOU HAVE IS IF YOU GET INTO SOME SORT OF PUMPING HALL SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUMP AND HAUL THE LINE WHILE YOU'RE DESIGNING AND BUILDING THIS OTHER LINE. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE PUMP AND HALL CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE THEY WERE USING THAT AS A BACKSTOP TO GET, BASICALLY TO GET ME TO MOVE FORWARD ON IMPROVING THEIR OTHER PLANS. 
          SO ARE WE AFRAID OR ARE WE HESITANT TO DO THE PUMP AND HALL AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT CONTINUE THE DESIGN, FINISH OUT THE DESIGN, IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE FOR A DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR PUMP AND HAUL FOR TOO TERRIBLY LONG. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE, THE ISSUES WITH TCEQ ABOUT DOING IT. 
          YOU, YOU CAN DO IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT INDEFINITELY. 
          AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE A TRUCK THAT'S BASICALLY CONSTANTLY SUCKING STUFF OUT OF THE GROUND AND HAULING IT TO ANOTHER PLACE TO INJECT IT BACK INTO THE GROUND OR INTO THE SYSTEM, NOT INTO THE GROUND. 
          I SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I SAY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND AND TO YOUR OTHER OTHER POINT EARLIER ABOUT A COST SHARE AGREEMENT. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON 
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A CAR SHARE AGREEMENT WITH LENNAR AND WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THAT, UH, LAURA TEAM THAT THEY WOULD BE, UH, SUBJECT TO CAPITAL COST RECOVERY. 
          SO WE, WE ARE HAVING ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THE DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW EVERYBODY'S GONNA HELP SHARE THE COST IN THIS. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE HAVING COST SHARE AGREEMENT CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL PARTIES. 
          SO THE 42 INCH PLANS COMMENTS WERE ISSUED ON SEVEN 10? YES. 
          AND THIS IS 60% PLANS, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? ROUGHLY 60? IT IS THEIR SECOND SUBMITTAL. 
          SO ROUGHLY SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          ASSUMING THREE. 
          THREE. 
          SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DELAY? I STILL, I'M NOT GETTING WHAT THE DELAY IS. 
          WHY IS LENNAR, WHY ARE WE, WHY IS, WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG? IS, IS LENNAR JUST BALKING AT THE COST? ARE THEY SAYING THAT THIS IS TOO MUCH? NO. 
          UM, SO WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE BACK IN GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE JANUARY 26TH STUFF, UH, WE HAD THAT MEETING WITH LENNAR. 
          LENNAR SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE LINE AND THEY WOULD ENTER A COST SHARE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. 
          AND SO WE MOVED FORWARD. 
          THERE WERE SOME BACK AND FORTH ON HOW THEY WANTED THEIR SER TO LOOK. 
          THAT'S THE TWO FAULT SUBSEQUENT SCRS. 
          THEN THEY HAD SOME CHANGE OVER IN THEIR STAFF. 
          SO THE LENNAR PROJECT MANAGER, I BELIEVE HIS NAME WAS CHASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, HE'S NO LONGER WITH THE COMPANY. 
          SO THEY HAD A NEW PROJECT MANAGER COME IN, WE HAD TO GET HIM UP TO SPEED, THEN THEIR ENGINEERS LEFT THE COMPANY AND WENT TO A DIFFERENT COMPANY. 
          AND SO THEN THEY HAD TO CHANGE ENGINEERS. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DELAY FROM DECEMBER OF 21 TO JANUARY OF 23, BUT FROM JANUARY 23 ON, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST US GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH AN R GETTING EVERYBODY BACK UP TO SPEED AFTER WE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THE GAP BETWEEN MAY OF LAST YEAR AND JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THEIR ENGINEERS HAD PUT THINGS ON THE BACK BURNER. 
          AND I ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY HAD TO DO THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN OVER MY CHRISTMAS BREAK, WHEN I HAD TIME TO BREATHE, I REMEMBERED THIS PROJECT. 
          AND WHEN I CAME BACK I SAID, HEY, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THIS THING? AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE NEED TO START IT UP AGAIN. 
          THAT'S, SO THEY PUT THINGS ON THE BACK BURNER 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T REALLY URGENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT. 
          NOT AND WAS IT BECAUSE THIS, THIS LINE WASN'T IN EXISTENCE, IS IT? OR WAS IT OTHER FACTORS? NO, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE KNOWN FROM DECEMBER OF 21 THAT THIS LINE DIDN'T EXIST AND THAT THEY NEED, THAT SOMEBODY NEEDED TO BUILD IT. 
          AND THEIR SER FROM BACK THEN SAID THAT THEY NEEDED TO BUILD IT. 
          BUT THE DELAY ISN'T BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TWIDDLING OUR THUMBS. 
          WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS AT THE CITY. 
          IT'S ALL ON THEIR END. 
          UM, PRIOR TO JANUARY 23, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION AFTER JANUARY, BUT AFTER JANUARY 23, THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE DELAY HAS JUST BEEN BECAUSE OF THEIR TURNOVER AND THEIR CHANGING OF STAFF AND THEN GETTING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED AND THEN FOR WHATEVER REASON THEIR ENGINEER PUT THINGS ON THE BACK BURNER. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE HOPING THAT WE TAKE THIS OVER. 
          WELL, I MEAN EVERY DEVELOPER WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD TAKE IT OVER AND, BUT THEN IF WE, IF WE GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT'S KIND OF BEEN PROPOSED HERE, WE JUST TAKE IT OVER. 
          WE JUST DO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE THEY'LL DO IT. 
          OR IN THE TIMELINE THAT WE NEED. 
          WE THINK THAT COTTONWOOD WON'T DEVELOP WITHOUT IT. 
          SO WE JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT OVER. 
          WE CAN COST RECOVERY, RIGHT? IF WE TAKE IT OVER AND WE DO IT, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN GET THE COST. 
          SO IT'S REALLY THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IS, ARE WE WILLING TO FRONT THE MONEY NOW TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE TO, TO RELIEVE CONCERNS? MM-HMM, . 
          AND MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES IT, WHAT DOES IT TRULY FIX? DOES IT JUST FIX AN ASSUMPTION? DOES IT FIX A, A BAD FEELING THAT WE HAVE THAT MAYBE MIGHT COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULD HAVE, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE COTTONWOOD WILL WILL DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT FASTER. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, I'D I'D LOVE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON SATURDAY, I GUESS INSTEAD OF TONIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS IF WE GO AHEAD AND BITE THAT BULLET AND WE SAY, WE'RE GONNA FRONT THE COST, WE'RE GONNA BUY YOUR PLANS FROM YOU, SELL US YOUR PLANS FOR WHATEVER THE COST IS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT. 
          WE BUILD IT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, NOW WE CAN BREATHE EASIER. 
          HOW IS IT GONNA SIT? IS, IS MIDWAY STILL GOING TO TAKE JUST AS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO DEVELOP WHETHER WE'VE GOT THE LINE IN PLACE OR NOT? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO MY ASSUMPTION, AND I'LL, I'LL LET, I'LL LET CHENEY SPEAK ON THE MIDWAY STUFF IN MORE IN DEPTH, BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT MIDWAY'S NOT GONNA MOVE ANY FASTER IF THE LINE IS IN PLACE THAN THEY'RE CURRENTLY MOVING. 
          NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA MOVE ANY SLOWER, BUT THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT LINE IS GONNA MAKE THEM TRY TO SPEED THINGS UP AND TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT IS, DO WE WANT LENNAR IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT OR DO WE WANT THE CITY IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT? 
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THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT SUMS IT UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHO DO YOU WANNA CONTROL YOUR DESTINY? YOU'VE GOT 20 MILLION IN LAND, YOU GOT A DEVELOPER, THEY'RE NOT UNDER CONTRACT. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT RUSHING TO GO UNDER CONTRACT. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 'EM CLOSING ON LAND. 
          THEY'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING IT UNDER CONTRACT. 
          THEY'RE DOING DUE DILIGENCE AND IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE WAITING ON? WHEN'S THE SEWER COMING AND EVERY DAY IT'S NOT COMING. 
          THEY'RE WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE SEWER AND HAVE WATER AND HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THIS IS JUST A, THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR MIDWAY TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS LAND. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT UNDER CONTRACT. 
          THEY HAVE NO MONEY AT RISK. 
          THEY SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE MONEY, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD THEY WORRY ABOUT IT? THEY'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE, EVERYBODY'S WORRYING ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS THAT COST THEM MONEY THAT THEY CAN TURN DIRT ON NOW WHILE THE TIMES ARE GOOD, THEY'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME. 
          IT FALLS OFF THE RADAR. 
          SO YEAH, DRIVER'S SEAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS, NEEDS TO UNDER NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT DO WE WANNA BE THE ONES THAT CONTROL OUR FUTURE OR WE WANNA WAIT ON LENAR WHO WE HAVE SUCH A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS MAD AT US AND WE'VE, CHASE IS A GUY THAT LUKE LUCAS GOT INTO IT WITH OVER THERE. 
          OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, LENNAR'S ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE THIS GREAT RELATIONSHIP. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS MAD AT US, WE'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THEM AND HERE THEY'RE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT OF A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          BUT WE CAN TALK MORE SATURDAY. 
          TO ME IT'S JUST, YEAH, DEFINITELY TALK MORE ON SATURDAY. 
          BUT I REMEMBER IN THAT MEETING HE UM, FOR, I FORGET WHAT THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME IS. 
          THOMAS. 
          THOMAS, BUT THOMAS, HE SAID THAT HE, YOU KNOW, AS A DEVELOPER, THEY CAN GET THE WORK DONE A WHOLE LOT FASTER THAN SAY THE CITY WOULD. 
          I THINK THE TIMELINE, YOU KNOW IT SAY THEY ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, THEY ARE GONNA DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE IT ALL OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, HE, WHATEVER HIS TIMELINE WAS WAS MONTHS WITH THE CITY IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. 
          WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF BACKTRACK, RE-ENGINEER THINGS OR REDESIGN THINGS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE SAY HE SAID 18 MONTHS, BUT IF THE CITY'S GONNA DO THIS AND BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, IT'S GONNA BE TWO TO THREE. 
          LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THREE YEARS PLUS. 
          'CAUSE WE GOTTA START BACK. 
          WE GOTTA BACKTRACK. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          BUT WE, WE JUST LET 'EM DO IT AND WE PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW? AND THEN COST RECOVERY LATER THING, SAME THING WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I COULD BE BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT WITH THE SPINE ROAD OUT THERE, IF MAYBE WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN TIGHTENED TO DO IT AND BUILD IT, THEY COULD'VE GOTTEN IT CHEAPER, FASTER. 
          ALL THE GOOD STUFF. 
          HERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE CI CITY, IT'S ALL TIME DOING THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN YEAH, JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, IF THEY'RE AT 60%, WE, WE JUST, THE PROBLEM I THINK IS GONNA BE UP. 
          REMEMBER HE ASKED FOR ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT WE NEED TO BE THEIR ADVOCATE AND WE NEED TO BE FIGHTING HARD FOR THEM. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, NOBODY'S GONNA LISTEN TO, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE COMPANY OR THE FEDS AREN'T ANYWAYS. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A HARD TIME WITH JUST BEING THE CITY, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR IT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT THAT SECURES OUR ABILITY TO GET THE, UM, THE DESIGN AND WE WITH SOME TIMELINES WHERE, WHEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT IS MAKES SENSE FROM A CITY STAFFING POINT OF VIEW AND EVERYTHING. 
          THAT WAY IF THEY MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN GET THROUGH, HOLD ON WHAT, SORRY? STAFF COME BACK WITH A PUMP IN A HOLE AGREEMENT THAT SECURES HOW DOES ABILITY TO GET THE DESIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          SO I WOULD SAY A PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT THAT SETS A DEADLINE FOR THEM TO INSTALL THE LINE. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T INSTALL IT BY THAT DEADLINE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE, THEY HAVE TO ALLOW US TO PURCHASE THE DESIGN. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET STUCK IN AN ENDLESS TIMELINE. 
          IT'LL BE AND WE'RE BEING GOOD. 
          AND YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PARTNER, IT MAKES SENSE, LIKE YOU ALREADY SAID. 
          GOT GOT ONE ROUND OF COMMENTS. 
          YOU GOT ONE MORE ROUND OF COMMENTS? UH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING, SORRY, AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          OR MOTION. 
          SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A, UH, MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          I THINK DAN SECONDED IT 'CAUSE HE WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE, OH, THERE YOU GO. 
          UPDATED. 
          OH, HE DIDN'T SECOND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          NO I DID. 
          NO, I SECOND IT, BUT I WANT TO ADD THIS ADDITIONAL PROVISION. 
          YEAH, I SECONDED IT AND THEN I TRIED TO HELP WORD IT BETTER. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? WAS I GONNA LOVE YOU GUYS WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH A, NOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUMP AND HOLD . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          I LIKE BEING MR. YE AYE COUNCIL MEMBER COURTFIELD. 
          AYE. 
          AYE MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR SCHNEIDER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES IS SEVEN ZERO. 
          NEXT 
          [13.3. Consideration and possible action relating to Texas Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (TPDES) Wastewater Permit Applications in the City of Hutto Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (Legal)]
WE HAVE ITEM 13, THREE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING 
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TO TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM, T-P-D-E-S WASTEWATER PERMIT APPLICATIONS IN THE CITY OF HU EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION TO UPDATE OR SHARE AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL KNOWS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STRATEGIZING WITH, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT'S ON THE, THE WEST THAT WOULD BE FED BY THE AVERY BRANCH. 
          AND THEN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTHEAST, UH, THAT WOULD BE THROUGH AGREEMENT THAT'S BEING NEGOTIATED WITH LENNAR AND OTHERS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UH, WHEN WILL THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BE READY WITH LENNAR ON THE SOUTH SIDE? ANNEX 'EM INTO THE CITY. 
          MS. SARAH CERVANTES THAT THREE PAGE, THAT THREE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT IS PROBABLY UP TO 20 BY NOW. 
          SORRY. 
          I WAS, UH, SARAH ANTE IS DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR THE RECORD. 
          UM, WE ARE HAVING WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE NAR CREW ON TUESDAY MORNINGS AT NINE TO GO OVER EVERYTHING. 
          LENNAR, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, PLUS THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UM, I'VE GOT AN INITIAL DRAFT UP AND RUNNING AND I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PROVISIONS THAT I NEED TO WORK THROUGH ON THEIR END. 
          UH, AND THAT INCLUDES SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AS TO SOME OF THE TIMING THAT MAY BE ONGOING FOR CERTAIN ASPECTS. 
          UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LAST CALL THAT WE HAD THIS TUESDAY, I KNOW ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS THE CITY PROVIDING POLICE SERVICE TO THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD THEN REQUIRE ANNEXATION. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT NEGATING TO GET EVERYTHING ELSE DONE AND DUSTED READY TO GO. 
          UM, LENNAR BASICALLY TOLD US THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO CONNECT TO ALL OF THE, UM, WASTEWATER LINES CONNECTING TO OUR SYSTEM AT A NEGLIGIBLE COST. 
          NOTHING'S GONNA BE ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN, IN DEPTH THERE. 
          UM, WHAT THE GOALS OF COUNCIL ARE, IF IT'S TO MITIGATE THE USAGE OF THAT PACKAGE PLANT THAT WAS PROPOSED, OR IF IT'S TO MITIGATE THE USAGE OF THAT PACKAGE PLANT AND ANNEX THAT PARCEL INTO THE CITY, UM, IF THERE'S AN ANNEXATION COMPONENT, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TIMING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE LEGALITIES OF INSPECTING, BUILDING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT FIRST OPTION, UM, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH SIMPLER IN JUST CONNECTING THEM TO US LIKE WE DO WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT ASPECT. 
          UM, THAT WAS A LOT. 
          FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WHAT JUST CAME OUT HERE. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE ALREADY DECIDED WE WANT THEM TO ANNEX IN. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WE SUPP SUPPLY THEM POLICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           LET 'EM TAP INTO WASTEWATER AND THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY WERE GONNA BUILD IN A COUNTY ANYWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           BECAUSE O OTHERWISE IF WE, HERE'S WHAT'S GONNA, WE DRAG THIS OUT, THEY ALREADY BY RIGHT. 
          CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANNA BUILD ANYWAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA DO IT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE IMPACTS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS NOT BEING TAXED. 
          SO TO ME WE SHOULDN'T, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO INSPECT TO MAKE SURE WHEN THEY HIT THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, GOT SOMETHING WRONG, BUT WE NEED TO LIKE MM-HMM,  KEEP IT REALLY SIMPLE BECAUSE ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS JUST SAY, FORGET IT, WE WE'RE GONNA DO A PACKAGE PLANT AND THEN WE, WE HAVE NOTHING ON THEM. 
          SO TO ME MM-HMM. 
          , I THOUGHT THE COUNCIL ALREADY KIND OF SPOKE. 
          THEY MAY WANT THE POLICE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY'RE JUST GONNA STOP. 
          THEIR ENGINEER HAD BROUGHT UP SOME, UM, SOME ISSUES RELATED TO JUST ENGINEERING IN GENERAL AND GETTING THINGS DONE WHEN, WHEN IN RELATION TO WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING ANNEXED TIMING WISE. 
          SO I HAD PROPOSED THEM, GET EVERYTHING DONE, DUSTED, BUILT, AND THEN THE ANNEXATION AFTER THAT PERIOD. 
          SO WE KIND OF MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONFUSION ON WHO'S DOING WHAT. 
          UM, DIRECT DIRECTOR MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO SOME OF THOSE INTRICACIES, UH, BUT THEY WERE ALL, UM, BASICALLY IN THE WEEDS LEGALLY TRYING TO GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS DONE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO HIT THE SYSTEM AND THEN THEY ANNEX IN. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO. 
          SO, UM, PART OF THE, SO WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM A FULL SER WE'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEER WHO'S DESIGNING THE SOUTHEAST LOOP WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR AND THEIR ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CONNECTIONS CAN HAPPEN. 
          EVERYBODY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST PART THAT SARAH WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THEIR ENGINEER IS ON RECORD WITH LENNAR IN FRONT OF US SAYING THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST FOR US. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WE CAN, WE'RE GONNA, INSTEAD OF A PACKAGE PLANT, WE'RE GONNA PUT A LIFT STATION IN, WE'RE GONNA CONNECT INTO THEIR LINE, DONE. 
          UM, AND EVEN IN, IN THEIR SER, WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE STUBS OUT TO NEARBY LAND SO THAT WE CAN SERVE OTHER, OTHER AREAS AS WELL THROUGH THAT SAME LIFT STATION. 
          THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT. 
          WHAT THEIR ENGINEER DID BRING UP IS THAT ANNEXATION POTENTIALLY CREATES A LEGAL HURDLE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A-W-C-I-D AND SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, AND I DON'T, IT'S NOT MY WORLD OF UNWINDING, WHATEVER THAT MEANS, THE WCID IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE ANNEXATION PROCESSES. 
          FOR ME, THE, THE IMPORTANT FACTOR WAS TO JUST FOR THEM NOT TO DO THE PACKAGE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, I MEAN, IF THAT KIND OF STREAMLINES THINGS, 
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UM, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE ETJ AND DON'T WANT THEM TO DE ANNEX AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          SO, MM-HMM,  DEFINITELY. 
          AND I DID BRING, BRING UP THE, THE POLICE ASPECT OF IF YOU'RE NOT ANNEXED THEN THAT POLICE SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT WON'T BE ON THE TABLE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY THAT THAT WAS TAKING ON THEIR END. 
          UM, AND IT WASN'T A PRESSING ISSUE FOR THEM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THEY WEREN'T PRESSING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY WANT THIS ASPECT IN THE DA. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THINGS WERE KIND OF NEGOTIATED AND GOING. 
          IF WE'RE GOING THAT FIRST ROUTE WHERE WE'RE JUST CONNECTING TO THE SYSTEM, NOT ANNEXING, I CAN HAVE THAT READY MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK UP FOR Y'ALL TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO FOREVER GET RID OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF TAX REVENUE FROM MM-HMM. 
           THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU DON'T ANNEX, YOU GET NOTHING FROM IT. 
          SO, MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I TO AVOID A PACKAGE PLANT AND YOU GIVE UP THE TAX REVENUE IN PERPETUITY, I THINK THAT IS A SHORTSIGHTED MISTAKE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE I THINK I WOULD RATHER DO THE LIFT STATIONS ANYWAYS AND WE CAN TALK TO ASHLEY'S, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME FOR THEM OF WHAT AN ANNEXATION SOLUTION WOULD BE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IF IT HAS TO BE, AND IF IT HAS TO BE THAT THEY BUILD THEIR STUFF AND THEN WE GET SOME GUARANTEED ANNEXATION AGREEMENT AFTER THE FACT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THAT IT'S STILL PART OF THAT AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL ANNEX AT DECEMBER 1ST, 2027, WHO CARES? I MEAN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT I WANT SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY WILL ANNEX INTO THE CITY SOMEDAY AND WHAT THAT DAY IS THAT MAKES SENSE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THIS WCID AND ALL OF THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THERE CAN BE A TIMEFRAME AND THAT DATE, WHATEVER MAKES, CAN BE IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          UM, AND IF IT'S A VOL, 'CAUSE IT'S A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION ANYWAYS AND THEN THEY AGREE IN THE CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL DO IT AT THIS DATE OR BY THIS DATE OR WHATEVER, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, HE'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY CAN STAY IN THE COUNTY, BUT IF THEY WANT TO ANNEX IN ANYWAYS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T AGREE THAT WAY. 
          WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, ALL OF THOSE ETJ PROPERTIES ARE GONNA GOING TO USE THIS AS A PRECEDENT AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, THE CITY OF HUDA WILL ALLOW US TO BUILD AT THE COUNTY STANDARD, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA DE ANNEX. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE, THEY'RE NOW, IT'S NOT DE ANNEXING, THEY'RE NOT ANNEX THE, THE SENATE BILL 2038. 
          THEY COULD DO THAT. 
          RIGHT? THEY CAN LEAVE OR, WELL, I GUESS THEY'RE NOT LEAVING BUT NOT BE IN THE CITY OF HU RIGHT. 
          OR ADHERE TO THAT CAN GETTING WATER. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF THEY TAKE WATER, SO IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO GET WATER SERVICE FROM US, AND THEN WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE, I GUESS IT'S ETJ OR WASTEWATER SERVICE, I GUESS THEY COULD STILL BE THE EJ, BUT, UM, I JUST THINK IT'S DANGEROUS TO, TO GO THAT ROUTE TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD WHATEVER STANDARD THEY ARE. 
          WHICH I THINK IT'LL BE FINE. 
          IT'LL BE A OKAY. 
          IT'LL BE A GOOD PRODUCT. 
          UM, BUT IS IT, GO AHEAD. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO SIT THERE AND, AND HAVE THAT STIPULATION THAT SOMEDAY YOU CAN OR THEY WILL ANNEX INTO THE CITY? WELL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, ASHLEY, A QUESTION FOR ASHLEY. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, BECAUSE STAR RANCH HAS AN AGREEMENT RIGHT. 
          WHEN THEIR MUD'S PAID OFF, THEY WILL WALK IN 13 YEARS. 
          LEMME ASK YOU THIS. 
          THE, YEAH. 
          THE WASTEWATER, YOU SAID YOU COULD HAVE A WASTEWATER AGREEMENT BY NEXT WEEK IF, IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANNEXING AS A PART OF IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ETJ WHO'S JUST, IT'D BASICALLY BE A WHOLESALE WASTEWATER AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          UM, THEY WOULD HOOK UP, WE WOULD SELL JUST LIKE THE LAKESIDE MUD NUMBER NINE THAT JUST WENT THROUGH. 
          UH, IT'D BE ESSENTIALLY BASED OFF OF THAT TEMPLATE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO DEMANDING THEM FOR 42 INCHES OF WASTEWATER LINE TOO. 
          ALL I, SO I'LL JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR THEM. 
          IF I MAY. 
          MAYOR, I, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK MAYOR JUST FOR ONE SECOND. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION. 
          OH YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          THAT IS AN OKAY STIPULATION TO HAVE. 
          GENERALLY THERE ARE THINGS, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T UH, USE ANNEXATION AS OF SOLE INDUCEMENT RIGHT. 
          TO DO IT. 
          BUT IT IS OKAY, CERTAINLY IN PROVISIONS LIKE THIS TO HAVE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN DATE THAT IS LATE. 
          THIS, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T ASK DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT AS PART OF THAT, THAT DATE IN THE FUTURE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD LARGELY DEPEND UPON THE, THE UNWINDING OF THAT W-C-I-S-D. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE ON THAT IS THAT, BUT WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT AND HELP STRUCTURE SOMETHING THAT'S GENERALLY FEASIBLE. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK A WHOLESALE AGREEMENT WITH LENNAR, WHATEVER THAT DEVELOPMENT IS BY THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND BY COUNCILMAN LAR ALWAYS I BRING THAT UP. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ANNEX ANYWAY. 
          WE WERE SITTING IN A MEETING AND THEY SAID NO FROM THE BEGINNING 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE TERRIBLE TO US. 
          AND I SAID, DON'T SAY NO. 
          IF IT'S GONNA BE A PAIN IN THE REAR TO DO IT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO. 
          AND SO I DON'T WANT A PACKAGE PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S THE WHOLE COUNCILMAN MC KOHLER WAS RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEETING TO 
          [04:45:01]
BEGIN WITH. 
          IF THE AGREEMENT CAN BE DONE NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN VOTE ON IT AND PASS IT AND GIVE IT TO 'EM AND WE CAN GET THEM TO, NOT SAY VERBALLY, BUT PUT IT IN WRITING THAT YES, WE'RE GONNA CONNECT, THEN BOOM, PACKAGE PLANT NUMBER TWO GONE. 
          WE'LL GO FOCUS ON THE NEXT GUY. 
          AND WHY I LIKE TO HAVE IT ANNEXED IN, CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL. 
          THIS IS A WIN FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          WELL, IT'S A WIN FOR WHAT PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS EITHER. 
          NO. 
          THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY DOWN THERE THAT ARE GONNA MOVE OVER THE NEXT 2, 3, 4, 5, 10 YEARS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT THERE IN THEIR FRONT YARD. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE THE WIN IN MY MIND AND CONTROL IT. 
          CONTROLLING ALL THAT. 
          BUT LARGE DEVELOPMENT, LOT OF TAX MONEY GONE. 
          JUST SAYING YOU WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO PAY FOR THINGS AND DON'T CARE. 
          WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK OF IT LIKE THAT, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL WE COULD USE THAT AS TAXABLE INCOME, BUT IN RETURN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES. 
          SO YES, WE MAY BE TAKING MONEY IN, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY THEN WE HAVE TO HIRE LOTS OF PD. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT MONEY. 
          SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST LIKE RAKING IN THE CASH AND GETTING RICH OFF OF NO ANNEXING A SUBDIVISION. 
          WE HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES, ROADS, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS, UM, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYWAYS, UH, PD, THINGS OF THAT SORT. 
          SO, AND THEN IF WE EVER ADOPT A ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE EVER PAYING. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, WHEN WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE ROADS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DRIVING TO GET BACK INTO HU THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR ANY OF THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR THAT ANYWAY. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU THINK IN A MILLION YEARS YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO THEM TO VOLUNTARY ANNEX INTO THE CITY AND PAY A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, YOU'RE CRAZY. 
          NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE ONLY COMING IN ON ONE, UH, ONE CONDITION. 
          NO, THEY'D BE PAYING, THEY'D BE PAYING AVALOR TAX REVENUE, WHICH YOU COULD THEN APPLY TO MAINTENANCE OF YOUR ROADS. 
          EITHER THAT OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE ADDED TO THE WASTEWATER FEE, WHICH, ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT THE RULE OF THUMB IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT RESIDENTIAL DOES NOT, I KNOW. 
          DOES NOT PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          YEP. 
          IT, IT COSTS MORE TO SERVICE THAN IT BRINGS IN IN TAX REVENUE. 
          SO IF WE'RE NOT GETTING IMPACT FEES UPFRONT, IT'S NOT, IT'S, TO ME IT'S NOT THAT BIG. 
          IT'S NOT THAT GREAT A THING TO ANNEX THEM. 
          ESPECIALLY THEY'RE KIND OF AN ISLAND OUT BY THEMSELVES. 
          SO ALL OF A SUDDEN PD HAS TO GO RUNNING OUT THERE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          HMM. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AT LEAST, UH, CARS THAT HAVE THE BRUSH GUARDS IN CASE DEER JUMP OUT IN FRONT OF 'EM. 
          THEY CAN SMACK 'EM. 
          , SORRY, I WAS SORRY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING LIGHT, IT'S GETTING LATE. 
          SO WHICH PROJECT IS THIS, NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER FOUR? THIS IS NUMBER FOUR. 
          FOUR. 
          SO HALON? YES. 
          THE HALON. 
          JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE, I DID CHANGE THE MAP SLIGHTLY. 
          I PUT A BIG YELLOW X THROUGH THE 7 0 5 LIMMER 'CAUSE THEY HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR APPLICATION. 
          AND THEN I CIRCLED, UH, NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE UP THERE BECAUSE THOSE ARE DONE, THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO HELP EVERYBODY KEEP TRACK OF WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          AND SO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS HALON. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT ALL. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE CLERK. 
          AYE MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          WHAT'S NUMBER JOHNSON? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL NUMBER FOUR. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL WHARTON AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          NEXT 
          [14. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE ITEMS 14 1 14 2 14 3 14, 4 14, 5 14, 6 14, 7 14, 8. 
          UH, FOR CONSIDERATION ARE THERE ANY ITEMS WE WISH TO TAKE OUT? OTHERWISE WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PROTO GORDON, SECOND BY COUNCILOR CLARK. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MAY I AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          NEXT WE 
          [15. EXECUTIVE SESSION]
HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          ITEM 15, ONE. 
          RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 RELATED TO PENDING AND OR COUNSEL LEGAL REQUEST POTENTIAL CLAIMS PENDING LITIGATION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE AMENDED AND RESTATED KOCH FEST AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND TEXAS MUSIC NETWORK DATED MARCH 4TH, 2021. 
          THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HUDU AND THE DIRECTORS OF CHAOS LLC DATED MARCH 7TH, 2024, THE PROPOSED MEADOWBROOK PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED ESTATES OF HU PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          ITEM 15 TWO RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0.071 RELATING TO A HOST CELL WATER DELIVERY AGREEMENT AMENDMENT 
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IN CONTEMPLATION OF NEGOTIATING FOR IRON REMOVAL TREATMENT FOR CITY OF HU WATER IN CONJUNCTION WITH DELIVERY OF NEW WATER SOURCE. 
          AND ITEM 15 THREE, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0 7 1 RELATED TO THE BRANDON ROAK CLAM AGAINST THE HU ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DATED JUNE 27TH, 2024 IN CLAIMS RELATED TO THE REDESIGN OF THE MEGASITE SPINE ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 
          THE TIME'S 1150. 
          OKAY, LEMME SHOW YOU SOMETHING REAL QUICK. 
          10 MINUTES. 
          WHAT'S THE ALL IT'S 1 26. 
          WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. 
          [16. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. 
          16 ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. HAVE ANYTHING THERE? UM, I THINK DAN HAD ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          IN LIGHT OF, SO WE HAD, UH, THE CONTRACT WITH DOC ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          AND IN LIGHT OF AN EMAIL RECEIVED FROM CHRIS STONE, MANAGING PARTNER OF DOC, UH, WHO'S DOC, SORRY. 
          WHO'S DOC? DIRECTORS OF CHAOS, DIRECTORS OF CHAOS MANAGING THE, UH, AMPHITHEATER IN LIGHT OF AN EMAIL RECEIVED FROM CHRIS STONE THIS EVENING, STATING IN PART, ONGOING CHALLENGES WITH TICKET SALES AND OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS HAVE LED US TO THE DIFFICULT DECISION TO FORMALLY STEP DOWN AND EXERCISE THE OPTION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. 
          IN LIGHT OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXERCISE THE MUTUAL TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT AND TERMINATE OUR CONTRACT WITH DIRECTORS OF CHAOS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, UM, ON CONDITION OF THEM TURNING OVER, UH, CONTROL OF THE WEBSITE AND TURNING OVER ANY, UM, ALCOHOL LICENSE THROUGH TABC IMMEDIATELY TO THE CITY AND WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO INFORM, UH, DIRECTORS OF CHAOS OF THIS ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT. 
          IN WRITING. 
          OH, IN WRITING. 
          I'LL SECOND IT IN. 
          ADDING SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL. 
          WEBSITE? SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          YEAH, SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          MAYOR SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR, I'M GORDON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. 
          WAS THERE ANY OTHER ONES FOR THAT ONE? THIS ONE FOR THE COKE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          DID WE NEED TO DO THAT ONE? I DON'T HAVE THE PAPERWORK. 
          WAS THERE, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION NUMBER ON IT, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          PARDON ME? I CAN DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R DASH 2024 DASH 1 48, A RESOLUTION DECLARING VOID, THE AMENDED AND RESTATED KOCH FEST AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND TEXAS MUSIC NETWORK DATED MARCH 4TH, 2021. 
          SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR TIM GORDON. 
          SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          MAYOR SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR APPROACH. 
          TIM GORDON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR 16? ONE. 
          ALL 
          [17. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS]
          [04:55:01]
RIGHT. 
          WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM 17 ONE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WISH THE H-Y-B-S-A EIGHT U BASEBALL TEAM WELL IN THE UPCOMING WEEK AS THEY'RE REPRESENTING HUDU AND THE PONY WORLD SERIES, UH, TRAVELING OUT OF STATE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE PROUD OF THEM AND, AND WHAT THEY'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR. 
          WISH THEM THE BEST OF LUCK IN THE WORLD SERIES AND WE'RE PROUD THAT THEY ARE OUT THERE REPRESENTING HUDU. 
          WELL, COOL. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THANK YOU. 
          A BIG THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PUTTING ON A WONDERFUL EVENT ON THE 4TH OF JULY. 
          UM, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. 
          UM, I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE, THE DAY AND SPEND IT WITH MY FAMILY, BUT A LOT OF YOU WERE THERE AT THE, AT THE EVENT ACTUALLY WORKING IT. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, WONDERFUL EVENT, AWESOME FIREWORKS DISPLAY AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. 
          MY GRANDKIDS LOVED IT. 
          AND, UH, WE HAD A GREAT TIME THERE, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. 
          DID, DID WE GET AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME? DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? ATTENDEES? I'LL BE ABLE THAT REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS A LOT. 
          AND I'D, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT FINAL NUMBER. 
          ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, FUTURE AGENDA QUESTIONS OR, I'M SORRY, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT, I'LL SPLIT 'EM UP. 
          DOTTIE MAY WANNA PUT 'EM ALL AS ONE, BUT THERE'S A DISCRIMINATE, THERE'S A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RELEASE OF SEVERANCE AGREEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC FOR BYRON FRANKLIN, STACY SCHMIDT, MICHELLE SOREL, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, WHO, WHO WAS THE HR PERSON, BUT ANYWAY, ALISON HAGOOD. 
          ALISON HAGOOD. 
          THEN A DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON RELEASING THE ROSS FISHER NOTES CONCERNING THE INVESTIGATION OF, AT THE TIME PLACE THREE, MIKE SNYDER AND THE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ON RELEASING EMAILS. 
          I'LL HAVE TO GET THE EXACT DATE, BUT BETWEEN BYRON FRANKLIN AND PAUL HALL. 
          AND THEN FOR THOSE TO BE, UH, POSTED ON A CITY COUNCIL PAGE, ASSUMING THEY, IT GETS PASSED A RELEASE SET AND THEN AN ITEM ON POSTING CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS ON THE WEBSITE. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO ON TO 17 THREE FUTURE ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS AS ALLOWED BY JUDO CITY CODE SECTION 1.0, 2.03, ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS. 
          MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST PUT IT ON RECORD NOW THAT WE LOOK TO MOVE THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S JANUARY ONE, UH, MEETING TO JANUARY 8TH. 
          OH, YOU'RE LOOKING PRETTY FAR AHEAD THERE. 
          WELL, I WANT TO GIVE TIME FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT WE WOULDN'T MEET AND I THINK IT WAS JANUARY. 
          YEAH, JANUARY. 
          JANUARY 2ND. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          SO YOU DON'T WANNA MEET ON JANUARY 2ND? I TO THE NINTH BECAUSE THE HU DO ISD IS OUT UNTIL THE UH, UH, THE SIXTH. 
          AND SO A LOT OF STAFF AND PEOPLE WITH KIDS AND EVERYTHING ARE BE ON STILL FOR HOLIDAY BREAK. 
          AND SO IT'S THE DAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S DAY AND IT'S ALSO A HOLIDAY AND A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES AND WORK AND PEOPLE ARE OFF. 
          'CAUSE THE FIRST IS A WEDNESDAY, SO THEY HAVE THE SECOND OFF. 
          SO WE WEREN'T STAFFED AT THE WORK DURING CHRISTMAS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A OBJECTION. 
          NO OBJECTION. 
          ARE WE LOOKING IN MARCH AND APRIL FOR SPRING BREAK? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT CALENDAR PULLED UP. 
          WHAT'S SPRING BREAK? WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS ONE. 
          I WAS JUST SAY WE JUST, WE SIX MONTHS OUT. 
          ALRIGHT THEN WITH THAT WE'LL ADJOURN AT 1:35 AM ON JULY 12TH. 
          ALRIGHT.
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