* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HEARING PROBLEMS. YOU [00:00:01] KNOW WHAT, . [Planning and Zoning on August 6, 2024.] ALL RIGHTY. IT IS 7:00 PM WE ARE GOING TO CALL THIS CITY OF HU PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR AUGUST 6TH, 2024 TO ORDER ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER STEWART? HERE. COMMISSIONER MORRIS HERE. . OKAY. VICE CHAIR HUDSON HERE. WHAT? HAZEL, WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME? OD SHERROD. COMMISSIONER SHERROD PRESENT. AND COMMISSIONER WETZ HERE. AND I AM CHAIR SUSANNA BOYER. I AM HERE. WE ARE MISSING BRIAN LEE, WHO DID LET US KNOW THAT HE WOULD BE OUT. ALL RIGHTY. PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO NOT. HEARING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE THAT BACK DOWN AT 7 0 1. AGENDA ITEMS, ITEM 4.1, ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. WOULD ANYONE TO PROVIDE A NAME OR JUST MAKE A MOTION? OR WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PROVIDE A NAME FOR EITHER POSITION OR MS. ASHLEY? DO WE PUT ONE ALL NAMES IN THE HAT AND THE TOP AND GETS THE CHAIR AND THE SECOND VOTES GETS THE VICE CHAIR? OR WE DO THEM INDEPENDENTLY? YOU USUALLY DO 'EM INDEPENDENTLY. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE BRIAN LEE AS CHAIR AND SUSANNA BOYER AS VICE CHAIR. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ANY OTHER? WELL, SINCE YOU MADE IT AS A MOTION. YEAH. OH, WELL, I JUST SAID I NOMINATED. OH, SORRY. AND THEN YOU SAID I SECONDED THE NOMINATION. SORRY. YEAH. 'CAUSE I THINK WHEN WE DID, I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION LAST YEAR, WE JUST, YEAH, I THINK WE JUST PUT PUT NAMES IN THERE. PUT NAMES OUT. YEAH. PUT THE NAMES OUT. ALL VOTED. MY, MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU TALK TO BRIAN? BRIAN? IS HE WILLING TO YES. YES. DO IT? YES. YES. EITHER POSITION. YES. ANGEL. THAT'S WHAT ANGEL WAS TELLING ME. UH, HE, THAT HE SAID HE WOULD, WOULD BE FINE WITH EITHER POSITION. OKAY. OKAY. AND AS ALWAYS, I ALSO AM FINE WITH EITHER POSITION. IF ANYONE WANTS TO GO AND PUT ME BACK IN THE CHAIR OR KEEP ME IN VICE CHAIR OR WHATEVER, ALSO FINE WITH IT. AND I AM ENJOYING MY SPOT RIGHT NOW. I'VE GOTTEN MY LEGS UNDER ME, AND I THINK I'M DOING A FAIRLY GOOD JOB. SO I WOULD LIKE TO STAY AS CHAIR ACCEPTING THE NOMINATION REALLY DIFFICULT. SO NO ONE NOMINATED ME, BUT I'M NOMINATING MYSELF. YOU CAN DO THAT. I KNOW. YES. WELL, I SECOND THAT NOMINATION. . THANK YOU. . OKAY. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DO EITHER ONE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OKAY. AND I'M THE SAME WAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN CHAIR. I DON'T WANNA DO IT ANYMORE. . . THERE WE GO. RIGHT. I DON'T WANT CHAIR EITHER. OKAY. OKAY. SO, SO WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE NOMINATED FOR CHAIR, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. I AM CORRECT IN THAT, CORRECT? MM-HMM. TWO, THREE, POSSIBLY THREE. OH, YOU'RE NOMINATING YOURSELF CHAIR TO THE VICE CHAIR AS WELL. YEAH. THERE ARE THREE NOMINATED FOR CHAIR COMMISSIONER LEE, COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR HUDSON, AND CHAIR BOYER. I, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU'D NOMINATE YOURSELF. I JUST SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO DO IT. YEAH. YES. YOU CAN NOMINATE YOURSELF. YES, YOU CAN. SURE YOU CAN. I KNOW. BUT YOU DIDN'T NOMINATE YOURSELF. HE SAYS I'M WILLING TO DO IT. YEAH. HE SAID HE WAS WILLING TO DID NOM HIMSELF. HE DID NOT NOMINATE HIMSELF. SO DID YOU NOMINATE HIM? NO. OH, YOU WANNA, NO. YES. YOU DID NOMINATE YOURSELF. HE WANTS TO NOMINATE HIMSELF. I WILL NOMINATE MYSELF THERE. THERE WE GO. OKAY. I'M A ROLL GUY. OKAY. CAN WE VOTE MY SECRET BALLOT ? WE CAN, WE'VE GOT PAPER RIGHT HERE. I HATE THAT THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING. NO, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO IT BY SECRET. WE CAN'T BALLOTT DO SECRET BALLOT. YEAH. A PHONE IN FRONT. ALL RIGHT. [00:05:01] DID JUST SCRATCH OFF BRIAN. YES. NO. 'CAUSE HE NOMINATED BRIAN. NO, HE SAID HE DIDN'T. WELL, THEN I NOMINATE BRIAN. NO, I, HE, HE NOMINATED HIM. I NOMINATED BRIAN AND SUZANNE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. MM-HMM. . I JUST SPOKE THAT RICK DID NOT NOMINATE HIMSELF WHEN HE SAID HE WAS WILLING TO DO BOTH AND THEN, THEN HE NOMINATED HIMSELF. YES. SO WE'VE GOT, IS THAT THE MATTER OF RECORD? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE COULD GET THIS MOVING. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE SUSAN BOYER AS CHAIR AND RICK HUDSON AS VICE CHAIR. OKAY. OKAY. I CAN I, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? SO, THIS IS MY THOUGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POSITION. I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK RICK HAD MENTIONED IT BEFORE, AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IT'S LIKE A, A POSITION WHERE YOU GAIN EXPERIENCE THAT CAN BE ON A ROTATION TYPE OF THING. SO RICK, WHEN I FIRST JOINED, RICK WAS THE GUY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS VICE, BUT RICK IS VICE NOW. SUSANNA IS THE CHAIR. IN MY MIND, IF WE HAD BRIAN BE THE CHAIR, SUSANNA THE VICE, WE'RE IN THIS LIKE ROTATION THING WHERE DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THAT EXPERIENCE. BEING THE CHAIR IS MY THOUGHT. SO FOR THAT REASON, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE BRIAN'S NAME IN THE VOTE OR WHATEVER. SO I DON'T, OR VOTE CHAIR AM BY CHAIR. I CAN'T. YEAH. LIKE THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BRIAN IN A POSITION IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM. AND I'M SAD THAT HE'S NOT HERE TODAY TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. AND IT'S, YOU WOULD WANT HIM HERE FOR THIS VOTE. BUT THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. AND I DUNNO HOW TO VOTE, HOW THIS IS A WEIRD VOTE. RIGHT. SO, RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MY, I HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT AS A COMMISSION TO SET OUR OWN POLICY ON HOW WE DO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? CAN I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, CAN WE DO THE ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR? SO I YEAH. WELL, I, RIGHT. I MEAN, BUT, BUT COULD WE MAKE IT A POLICY WHERE AFTER ONE YEAR YOU, LIKE CHERYL WAS SAYING, SOMEONE ELSE THAT HASN'T BEEN SHOULD BE UP AND THE CURRENT CHAIR GOES TO VICE CHAIR. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, IF THAT'S, I, I MEAN, I MEAN, IS THAT A, A POLICY THAT WE CAN MAKE A, A DEAL THAT WE COULD SAY THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE MAKE IT A POLICY OR NOT IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT AN UNWRITTEN RULE THAT THIS GROUP JUST FOLLOWS ON. OPTIONALLY. CAN WE PUT IT IN THE CHARTER? NO, NO, NO. I'M LOOKING AT THE CHARTER NOW. I DON'T SEE IT. NO, IT'S NOT CHARTER LIKE THAT. BUT, AND IN LIEU OF WE FINDING OUT HOW WE CAN DO OUR OWN POLICIES WITHIN ANY COMMISSION OR SPECIFICALLY P AND Z. YEAH. I LIKE US TO, I'M, I WOULD VOTE IN AGREEMENT, NOT, NOT MOTION NECESSARILY, BUT IN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THIS UNWRITTEN RULE WHERE CHAIRS BECOME VICE CHAIRS AND ROTATE OUT. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU DO IT. LIKE YOU COULD SAY, WE HAVE A PRACTICE OF DOING THIS. RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND UNTIL WE DECIDE ON, YOU KNOW, ON ANOTHER ONE. BUT I, I LIKE THAT. AND, AND THAT BASICALLY IT WAS SEATED BY YOURSELF WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT ROTATION. RIGHT? EXACTLY. AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IS I THINK, UH, ATTENDANCE OUTSIDE OF P AND Z IS IMPORTANT. ATTENDANCE AT, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, ATTENDANCE AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND I KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW IT. I'VE BEEN DOING THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO. SO WE'VE KIND OF HAD THE P AND Z COVERAGE AT THESE OTHER THINGS. AND I'M JUST WORRIED WITH BRIAN'S SCHEDULE NOW WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE WHOSE SCHEDULE OUTSIDE OF P AND Z DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW FOR AS MUCH INTERACTION WITH STAFF, OTHER BOARDS AND WITH COUNCIL. BETWEEN YOU AND I, WE COVER A HUNDRED PERCENT. I WAS GONNA SAY, SO ALL MEETINGS, THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WERE FOUR OF US IN ATTENDANCE. YES. AT THE LAST ONE. AND I, I'M SAYING, AND AT THE BUDGET MEETINGS, THERE WERE THREE OF US. RIGHT? EXACTLY. I THINK SO I THINK THERE'S REPRESENTATION OF P AND Z REGARDLESS IF THE CHAIR IS ABLE TO ATTEND OR NOT. YEAH. IT'S ALREADY EXISTS. MM-HMM. WHETHER THEY BE BOARD CHAIR OR NOT. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR. I THINK ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE THERE. WE USED TO HAVE AN UNWRITTEN RULE THAT THE CHAIR ATTENDS CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM, I DON'T KNOW [00:10:02] WHEN OR WHERE THAT EVER WENT. UH, I KNOW ONCE I LEFT THE FIRST TIME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT. BUT I KNOW RICK AND I WERE PRETTY MUCH AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. UM, MAINLY BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE THE CHAIR. THEY DID BACK THEN. THEY REALLY WANTED TO SEE THE CHAIR AT THEIR MEETINGS. THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, BUT I THINK IT SOME OH, I'M SORRY. NO, BUT, BUT LIKE, LIKE YOU ALSO SAID, JIM, THERE WERE FOUR OF US THERE. MM-HMM. LAST THURSDAY, AND THEN I LEFT. 'CAUSE OF OTHER, I DID TWO OTHER REASONS, , BUT THERE WAS, FOR REASONS, AT LEAST TWO OF YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU STAYED, BUT I KNOW RICK PROBABLY STAYED ALL NIGHT UNTIL EXEC . BUT IT'S, IT'S, I'M JUST THINKING. I LIKE THE, I, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING A NEW PERSON EVERY YEAR ON A ROTATING BASIS IN THE CHAIR AND THEN HAVE THE CURRENT CHAIR AUTOMATICALLY DROP DOWN TO THE VICE CHAIR. 'CAUSE THEY ARE UP TO SPEED ALREADY. RIGHT. EXACTLY. MOMENTUM THERE. I LIKE THAT IDEA. THE FORMER CHAIR CAN HELP OUT THE RIGHT. THAT GIVES CHAIR, THAT GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVICE AS A CHAIR. YEP. I AGREE. I LIKE THAT. AND AS FAR AS REQUIRING ONE PARTICULAR PERSON ON P AND Z TO MEET EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THE STATE OF OUR CITY IS UNREASONABLE REQUESTS. I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE CHAIR HAS TO BE AT EVERYONE, OR THE VICE CHAIR HAS TO BE AT EVERYONE. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE IS REPRESENTATION FROM P AND Z AT, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF THOSE, OF 2.5 PEOPLE AT EVERY CITY EVENT. FROM BNC IF YOU INCLUDE THIS SATURDAY. I'M TALKING ABOUT MEETINGS AND, AND WORK SITES. WELL, YOU AND I ARE THERE. YEAH. PRETTY MUCH. WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. PEOPLE COME IN AS WELL. WE'RE, WE'RE THE MOST REPRESENTED COMMISSION AT CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S A FACT. AND BY FAR, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAINTAIN. RIGHT. THAT VISIBILITY. BUT WE SHOULD, BUT WE SHOULD BE. I AGREE. I THINK CITY COUNCIL, I THINK A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE AT EVERY ONE OF OUR P AND Z MEETINGS. AGREED. ABSOLUTELY. ROTATING OUT. BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. WE'VE SUGGESTED THAT BEFORE. SO, YEAH. HOPEFULLY THEY, WELL, THERE'S, THERE ARE FOUR THAT HAVE COME, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION THEIR NAMES, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT HAVEN'T. AND IF I GO BACK THREE TERMS, WE'VE HAD FOUR . OKAY. SO THERE HAVE BEEN NOMINATIONS TO THIS POINT RIGHT NOW OF COMMISSIONER LEE. TWO VOTES FOR CHAIR. WE HAVEN'T VOTED WELL. NOMINATIONS COMMISSIONER LEE, TWO NOMINATIONS FOR AS CHAIR COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR HUDSON. ONE NOMINATION FOR CHAIR AND FOR ME, THREE VOTES FOR CHAIR, VICE CHAIR NOMINATIONS, TWO FOR ME, THREE FOR RICK. AND SO WE'RE MISSING ONE, ONE FOR BRIAN. I DID, I I NOMINATED BRIAN AFTER THE FACT FOR VICE CHAIR. OKAY. SO WHAT, IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL VOTE THOUGH YET. RIGHT. WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT BRIAN LEE AS CHAIR AND YOURSELF AS VICE CHAIR. I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION AND THROW OUT THE NOMINATIONS. NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THE NOMINATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, CAN, CAN I, CAN I ADD THIS? WHY DON'T WE TAKE A VOTE ON, DO WE WANT TO DO THE ROTATING CHAIR? LIKE, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT? AND, AND LET'S, LET'S VOTE ON THAT. AND IF WE ALL ARE, ARE WHATEVER, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE DO. I MEAN, BECAUSE ROTATING, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IF WE GO THE WAY I'M TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE, FOUR, I'M SORRY, THREE THAT ARE, WOULD ACTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR, UM, THE CHAIR, WHICH WOULD BE CHERYL, JIM, HAZEL. HAZEL AND BRIAN. MY, MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT A MOTION TO DETERMINE HOW WE VOTE IS WHETHER IT'S OF ALLOWED. RIGHT. I WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE AN MOTION THAT DETERMINES HOW WE VOTE TODAY. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THAT, THAT MOTION, THE WAY WE DO THE PROCEDURE IS CONSIDERED NOT APPROPRIATE. AND THEN OUR VOTE IS NULL. [00:15:01] SO I, I AGREE IN PRACTICE WITH, LET'S ROTATE IT THROUGH. BUT I AL I THINK JIM HAD THE TERMINOLOGY RIGHT. THIS IS A PRACTICE WE'VE TAKEN AGREEMENT. IT'S PRACTICE. YEAH. THE PRACTICE. I THINK ANGEL WILL COME IN AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO DETERMINE, WILL THAT BE EVERY CALENDAR YEAR? BECAUSE YEAH. THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE SEAT MAY BE VACANT BEFORE THE CALENDAR YEAR'S OVER WITH. AND THEN WHAT? WELL, I THINK THAT THE CHARTER CHARTER, WELL, IF FOR APPOINTED CHAIR, YOU'RE APPOINTED FOR A YEAR. MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE TO DO NEW ELECTIONS EVERY YEAR. YES. BUT LET'S SAY, MY, MY TERM IS UP. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO IT. HERE ARE THE TERMS UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR? NO. NO. BASED ON YEARS WOULD BE FOR JUNE 30TH. JUNE 30TH. OKAY. SO YEAH, SOON THERE'S NO APPOINTMENTS OR RIGHT. SO IF MY TERM'S UP IN JUNE, THEN YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE BEING IN THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS UNLESS YOU GET REAPPOINTED. MM-HMM. . EXACTLY. BUT THAT'S ALSO PART ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY WE STARTED DOING THE ELECTION IN AUGUST AFTER EVERYBODY IS DEFINITELY SEATED IN THEIR POSITIONS RATHER THAN, I, I THINK BACK IN 20 18, 20 19, WE WERE DOING IT IN JANUARY. AND THAT JUST OKAY. AND, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL ALLOWS FOR A, BASICALLY AN NONCOMMISSIONED COMMISSIONER AS A HOLDOVER UNTIL THE REPLACEMENT YES. COMES ONLINE. AND THAT'S WHERE RICK SAYS, WE WAITED TILL SOMETIMES AUGUST BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DID THE ELECTIONS. MM-HMM. . IT'S KINDA THE SAME THING IN THE CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT. UNTIL EVERYONE'S SEATED. THEY DON'T DETERMINE PRO YOU COULD HAVE A ACTING CHAIR. YEAH. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T DETERMINE PRO TIM, IF THERE'S A SPECIAL ELECTION, YOU GOTTA WAIT FOR THAT. MM-HMM. HAVE THERE TO RUN OFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, NO, I, I DEFINITELY LIKE THE ROTATION OF, YOU KNOW, ROTATING OUT THE, THE CHAIR BECOMES THE VICE CHAIR. I LIKE THAT AS A PRACTICE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT IN WRITING. AND THIS IS HOW WE DO IT. END OF STORY. AND I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I SECOND THE MOTION. SO NOW WE HAVE TO DO A DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION. IF I'M, IF I UNDERSTAND. WELL, WE STILL HAD NOMINATIONS ON THE FLOOR. UM, WELL, THE O THE ONLY OTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS WITHDRAW YOUR, NO, YOUR MOTION. THAT WAS RICK'S. I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION IF WE STILL HAVE NOMINATIONS TO DISCUSS. THE NOMINATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. WE JUST NEED TO VOTE ON 'EM, I GUESS. OR NOT VOTE ON 'EM. JUST, I DUNNO, ASHLEY HELP. BUT, BUT ARE WE GOING, ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON, ON CHAIR AND THEN TURN AROUND AND THEN VOTE ON VICE CHAIR? OR ARE WE GOING TO LET'S VOTE. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. RIGHT? I KNOW. SO WE TO, BUT THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THE UNWRITTEN RULE OF RO OF RO OF ROTATION. RIGHT. BUT THE NOMINATIONS WERE MADE BEFORE ALL OF THAT. OKAY. BUT THE, THE MOTION CAN BE WITHDRAWN, WHICH IT WAS I DID. WHICH, YES. SO THERE ARE, SO YOUR MOTION, THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE TABLE. STILL ON THE TABLE. YES. THE NOMINATION, WE WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION OF NOMINATIONS. I BELIEVE YOU CAN WITHDRAW THE NOMINATION, WHOEVER MADE THE NOMINATIONS AND BASICALLY START OVER. IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO? IF THAT'S WHY I SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT DO WE WANNA DO THE ROTATION? AND IF WE WANNA DO THE ROTATION, THEN IT'S UP TO, UH, THE, THE SIX OF US TO KNOW WHO ACTUALLY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, I GUESS IS THE WORD TO DO THAT. I THINK WHAT I, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UH, IN ROBERT'S RULES, AND I'M NOT A, YOU CAN DO A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS NON-BINDING. CORRECT. I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A RESOLUTION TO SANCTION SOMEONE ON CITY COUNCIL. BUT IT'S NOT BINDING. IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION. I'M NOT A ROBERT'S RULE PERSON. ACTUALLY, I GAVE YOU THAT LAMINATED THING ON ROBERT ROOF. I YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT. SHE'S GOT A LAMINATED THAT ONE. UH, I DON'T ANYMORE. OH, I HAD, YEP. THERE YOU IS OVER. SO WHAT, SO WE CAN MAKE A, I'M SUGGESTING, DID I THAT I THINK MINE DID NOT LOOK LIKE THAT. I THINK I OFF, I HAD ONE LIKE THAT TOO. IT'S LIKE THREE BUCKS OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. WHICH IS IN VIOLATION. , YOU MADE A MOTION. SHE WANTS IT DOING THERE. [00:20:01] THAT'S EASY. I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S SUCH A, A SUCH A THING. A, A RESOLUTION. WHAT IS A RESOLUTION? A RESOLUTION IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S SUCH A THING. IS THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WE SANCTIONED A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE HE POSTED PUBLIC DATA ON A FACEBOOK PAGE ABOUT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER. AND HE WAS A RESOLUTION WAS TO REPRIMAND HIM. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY THAT, SO I, I THINK IT'S ROBERT'S RULES. I THINK THE CLOSEST IS PROBABLY THE STANDING RULES, WHICH ARE RULES FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ORGANIZATION INSTEAD OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. WHAT IS A RESOLUTION IN ROBERT'S RULES? I IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, A RESOLUTION IS A FORMAL WRITTEN MOTION THAT IS USED FOR IMPORTANT OR COMPLEX QUESTIONS, OR WHEN GREATER FORMALITY IS DESIRED. RESOLUTIONS ARE OFTEN LENGTHY AND CAN BE USED TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE A LAW. SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO A RESOLUTION. NO, NO. SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CHAIR. I AGREE. AND THEN WE VOTE AND THEN SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION ON THE VICE CHAIR AND WE VOTE. MM-HMM. . AND THEN WE GO ON WITH THE AGENDA. YEP. I AGREE. SO THAT'S COOL. OKAY. UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ELECT BRIAN LEE AS CHAIR. I SECOND. I THIRD. ALRIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, OKAY. THE MOTION IS THAT BRIAN LEE WILL BE CHAIR. UH, THAT MOTION WAS BROUGHT BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NO. NO. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. FIVE TO ONE. FIVE TO ONE. MM-HMM. , I MAKE A MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY. I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ELECT, UH, SUSANNA BOYER TO VICE CHAIR. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MORRIS FOR SUSANNA BOYER TO BE VICE CHAIR AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NO. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. SO BRIAN LEE WILL BE OUR CHAIR AND I WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR. YES. ALL RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE NOMINATIONS. , I'LL STILL HELP YOU OUT. HUH? I'LL STILL . OKAY. SO ITEM FOUR ONE IS FINALLY DONE. OKAY. FIVE ONE. UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE NEED TO PULL 5.1 TO CORRECT THE DATE ON THE MINUTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, CONSIDERING FOR POSSIBLE ACTION ON, BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT DATE AND SHE COULDN'T JUST CORRECT THEM. SO WE HAVE TO PULL IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL 5.1. OKAY. SO 5.1 SAYS CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 7TH, 2024. ITEM 5.2 SAYS, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HU GATEWAY. FINAL PLAT, 46.777 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD ONE 19 AND NORTH OF LIMMER. LOOP ITEM 5.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED ALTA ED SCHMIDT. [00:25:01] FINAL PLAT, 77.881 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND FOUR MULTIFAMILY LOTS LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD ONE 19. AND IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WE MAY NOT HAVE TO PULL 5 2, 5 3, BUT IT IS REGARDING FIVE TWO AND FIVE THREE IN THE PACKET. EVERYTHING IS SAYING PRELIMINARY IN RED. OH. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT HAS NOT YET BEEN FINALIZED BY THEIR SIDE. THEY ALWAYS, UM, THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THEIRS. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEN THAT PRELIMINARY, UH, WOULD HAVE TO COME OFF AFTER. 'CAUSE THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. UM, SO THE PRELIMINARY WOULD COME OFF ONCE THEY'VE FIXED THOSE AND EVERYTHING'S CLEARED. OKAY. SO THIS IS MORE OF A HOUSEKEEPING ADMINISTRATIVE THAN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG INCOME. OKAY. PERFECT. YOU'RE WORKING ON THE RIGHT STUFF. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK I DO NEED TO HAVE THEM PULLED BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, IT APPLIES TO BOTH OF THEM. 5.2 AND 5.3. YEAH, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THERE. IT'S NOT REALLY TO GET IN THE WAY. JUST NOTING STUFF. I LIKE TO PULL BOTH. CAN WE, IF I EVEN ALL THREE, MIKE CAN MOTION TO MOVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSED. ASK IF WE WANT TO PULL, AND I WANT TO PULL, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE TABLING WE'RE PULLING FIVE ONE. I'D LIKE TO PULL FIVE TWO AND FIVE THREE. IT'S NOT A MOTION, IT'S JUST PULLING IT FROM THE IT'S AN UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION. UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION. ANY OBJECTIONS? HEARING NONE. SO ALL THREE ITEMS HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO WE'LL TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. 5.1. THE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON. AND THAT DATE SHOULD BE JULY 2ND, 2024. SO THAT DATE JUST NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. AND CORRECTIONS WERE MADE TO 5.3 IN THE MINUTES AND CORRECTIONS WERE MADE TO A FEW OTHER AREAS. SO I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON JULY 2ND, 2024 AS CORRECTED. I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THEY ARE. ANY DISCUSSION FIRST? ANY DISCUSSION? YES. MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS, IS THAT SINCE THE PUBLIC NOTICE SAYS JULY 7TH, IS THAT ANY VIOLATION OF TECH TEXAS OPEN RECORDS ACT? THE MINUTES THAT ACTUALLY GO IN ARE CORRECT AND ONCE THEY'RE SIGNED, THEN THEY'RE OFFICIAL AND THEY WILL BE POSTED. SO IT WON'T, THE NOTIFICATION BEING IN ERROR IS NOT A TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS. IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF THERE WAS JUST A TYPO AND WE CORRECTED THAT. JUST NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE. THANK FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHTY. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, CHAIR BOYER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SHERROD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES SIX. OH. SO MY QUESTION FOR FIVE TWO AND FIVE THREE, CAN I ROLL RIGHT INTO THAT? IS THAT OKAY? UM, ASHLEY ARE THE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES AND THE WASTEWATER FEES. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THE NEW FEES APPLY TO BOTH OF THESE? UM, IT'S SET AT THE TIME OF RECORDATION. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST UP TO THEM. WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU'RE ON THESE NEW FEES. UM, BUT IF THEY RECORD PRIOR TO THE NEW FEES, IT WOULD BE ON THE FEES THAT WE HAVE. NOW, IF THEY RECORD AFTER, THEN IT'S ON THE NEW FEES. BUT IMPACT FEES ARE ALWAYS DONE BY DATE OF RECORDATION AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY LEGAL WAY FOR US TO SAY ANYTHING APPROVED FROM THIS DATE RETROACTIVELY HAS TO GO TO THE NEW FEES. OKAY. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT BOTH OF THEM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I AM MISTAKEN. SO THEY ARE, ONE OF THEM IS LIMMER LOOP, THE OTHER ONE IS AT SCHMIDT, VERY, VERY BUSY TRAFFIC AREAS. RIGHT. UM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING ON OUR CIP, BUT I THINK THERE'S ITEMS RELATED TO BOTH OF THESE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HAVE THESE TWO SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IMPROVING ED SCHMIDT SINCE THIS ONE OF THEM IS RIGHT OFF OF EDGE SCHMIDT? THE [00:30:01] OTHER ONE IS OFF OF LIMMER LOOP. THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY MUCH RIGHT OFF OF EDGE SCHMIDT. MM-HMM. . THEY'RE BOTH NORTH OF LIMMER. UM, FOR SOME OF THIS THAT IS WHAT THE, UM, IMPACT FEE OR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE WILL BE GOING TO. UM, I WILL SAY ON BOTH OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXTENDING RIGHTS OF WAY. UM, ONE IS EXTENDING BROOKSIDE, THE OTHER IS EXTENDING EMORY BOULEVARD OR EMORY CROSSING BOULEVARD THROUGH THEIR, UH, PROJECT. LIKELY THAT WILL BE THEIR, UM, ALLOWANCE AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR THEIR PROJECT. BUT IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO TIF, IF THEY DON'T COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE EXPANDED THIS ROADWAY AND THAT WAS PART OF YOUR SYSTEM AND, AND THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A TIF CREDIT OF SOME SORT, THEN LIKELY YOU WOULD SEE OTHER THINGS HAPPENING AT THE INTERSECTIONS BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS OF WHAT THEIR IMPACT MAY BE TO THOSE AREAS. BUT FOR SURE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, MATT HAS TO LOOK AT WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER, HAS TO LOOK AT WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT NOW. 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL LIGHTS, UM, RIDE IN, RIDE OUT. IT'S ALL NORTH OF LAER. SO WE'VE GOTTA INVOLVE THE COUNTY AS WELL. IT'S A TERRIBLE INTERSECTION TODAY. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IT'LL BE WITH THESE TWO, TWO DEVELOPMENTS GOING FORWARD. I THINK BECAUSE, SORRY, I'M NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH. IT'S A TERRIBLE INTERSECTION TODAY AND IT'LL BE SIGNIFI SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE WHEN BOTH OF THESE ARE THERE AND IT, RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE CONCERN THAT I HAVE BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU ADD A LIGHT, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, IT'S STILL THE EXPANSION. YEAH, IT'S THE GROWTH AND THEN THE CATCH UP PART. YES. YES. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MORRIS, DID YOU HAVE SOME, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT ON THE, UM, THE HU GATEWAY, THAT'S A FIVE ONE TO FIVE TWO CORRECT. THAT THERE'S NATURAL GAS GOING IN THERE. I JUST DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW. AND I'M RIGHT NEXT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I THINK PART OF EMORY, SO JUST I DIDN'T, I JUST KIND OF MAKE, MAKE NOTE 'CAUSE OF THE, THE DIFFERENT CODES. IT'S THE RAILROAD COMMISSION, IT'S NOT CITY, CITY CODES THAT TAKE PRECEDENCES. IS THAT TRUE FOR NATURAL GAS ASH? UM, SO NATURAL GAS IS MOSTLY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE PROPANE TANKS ARE DONE BY RAILROAD COMMISSION, NATURAL GAS, UM, IT'S JUST PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLAN SET. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY CAN RUN THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THE RAILROAD COMMISSION HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY OVER NATURAL GAS AS THEY DO OVER THE PROPANE TANKS. OKAY. THAT'S MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. YEAH, JUST MAKING NOTE OF THAT. WE DO HAVE NATURAL GAS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS IT. THERE WAS AN OBJECTION. IT WAS JUST A CURIOSITY NOTE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. WOULD THESE BE MULTIFAMILY? ASHLEY, DO WE KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY UNITS EACH OF THESE ARE? UH, WE DO NOT KNOW. I KNOW I CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION BASED ON BOTH OF THESE HAVE SEPARATE ZONINGS WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH. UH, GATEWAY IS GOING TO BE IN ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT PHASES ON, AND THAT'S THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT'S FIVE. UM, 2, 5 3 IS ALL MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT'S ALSO IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UM, PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE DRAINAGE LOT. UM, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, USUALLY THEY'RE RUNNING ABOUT 20 UNITS PER ACRE WITH THOSE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. 20 UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ON, I, I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM TOLD US THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 700, 775 UNITS. UM, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE. YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE, THESE, BOTH OF 'EM HAVE SEVERAL PHASES. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE LARGER COMPLEXES COME UP THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE UNTO THEMSELVES, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PART OF FACE. I I BELIEVE IT'S THE WHAT? IT'S THE ONE. OH, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH. I DON'T REMEMBER. WELL, THE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT WAS PART OF EMORY COVES AND THE DEVELOPER CAME IN HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO. MM-HMM. ON THAT. YEAH. AND THAT ONE HAS A AND THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS, THOSE WERE, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME TWO LEVEL, BUT MOST OF THOSE WERE LIKE, UH, JUST LIKE FOURPLEXES IN A, WITH, WITH ALLEYS BETWEEN THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD THEN, BUT IT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD. I DON'T THINK IT WAS 700. MAYBE IT WAS THE OTHER ONE WAS 700, BUT, OR BUT, BUT THE 28 UNITS A ACRE IS WHAT I THINK THEY TALK ABOUT. YEAH. FOR SOME, FOR SOME REASON, 700, 700 PLUS RINGS A BELL WITH ME WITH ONE OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS. WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 20 UNITS PER ACRE ON APPROXIMATELY 42 ACRES. 42. YEAH. BUT ALMOST A THIRD OF THAT ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE FLOODPLAIN IS GOING, IS NOT DEVELOPED AT ALL. CORRECT. ASHLEY? CORRECT. SO ON, UM, IS THAT PART OF THE 42 ACRES? FIVE TWO ON GATEWAY? UM, THEY COULD STILL GET 20 UNITS AN ACRE AND THEY COULD, UM, THERE ARE, THERE IS THE ABILITY IN THE CODE TO GET BACK SOME OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE DONATING FOR PARKLANDS, THAT YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR TOTAL DENSITY ON THAT SIDE. THEY DO HAVE A LARGE AREA OF FLOODPLAINS. SO THAT WAS WHERE, UM, IF YOU RECALL DURING THAT PUD, THERE WERE ITEMS SET FORTH ADJACENT TO THOSE [00:35:01] EXISTING EXISTING HOMES WHERE THERE COULD ON MORE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE LIKE AN 80 FOOT SETBACK, I WANNA SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD TO 120, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SMALLER HOMES ADJACENT OR SMALLER BUILDINGS ADJACENT EXISTING HOMES. YEAH. I'M LIKE SIX HOUSES AWAY FROM THAT. SO I WAS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION. SO, BUT THAT 42 ACRES, IS THAT INCLUDING THE FLOOD PLAIN OR NOT INCLUDING THE FLOOD PLAIN? IT DOES INCLUDE, RIGHT. SO SO IT'LL BE OVER OVERALL. SO IT CAN'T BE OVER 800. IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE A THIRD OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN. SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S ALSO 25 ACRES OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM GOING FOUR, 500 HOMES ON THAT ONE. ON 5.2, FIVE TWO. I'M ONLY SPEAKING TO FIVE TWO. RIGHT. SO FIVE TWO WOULD HAVE 500 UNITS. RIGHT. SO, BUT IF I'M LOOKING AT FIVE THREE, BOTH OF THEM COULD HAVE APPROXIMATELY 20 UNITS PER ACRE. AND SO IF FIVE THREE IS SHOWING 77 ACRES, CORRECT. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVERY ACRE WOULD BE, I MEAN YOU'RE DEVELOPED, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE. YEAH, THEY'VE STILL GOT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLA, THEY STILL HAVE A LARGE DRAINAGE AREA THROUGH THERE BECAUSE OF THE CREEK AS WELL. UM, SO THEY'VE GOT ONE LOT THAT'S ABOUT JUST OVER 15 ACRES, ALMOST 16 ACRES. THEY'VE GOT ONE THAT'S 20 AND THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT'S 22 BETWEEN THE TWO SHEETS. SO BETWEEN THE TWO, YOU COULD HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY YOU COULD HAVE 14, 1500. YEAH. 14, 1500, 14, 1500 ADDITIONAL. YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM TRAFFIC WISE. YEAH. TRAFFIC WISE. EXACTLY. EVEN IF THEY PAY US A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA CREATE A NEW FLYOVER ON ED SCHMIDT OR SOMETHING LIKE , I DON'T, THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND SO THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN ALLOW AND KEEP IN MIND, STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW US ANYMORE TO, UM, REQUEST RIGHT OF WAY FROM DEVELOPERS. SORRY. UM, UNLESS IT'S FULLY FUNDED IN THE CIP. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD'VE SEEN DONE THROUGH COUNCILS THAT WE DID GO ADOPT THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN. THAT'S WHY YOUR CIP LIST GOT SO LONG. UM, SO WE WERE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THE EXTENSION OF ED OF EMORY CROSSING THROUGH ON ONE OF THEM TO GET A FULL RIGHT OF WAY. SO AT LEAST THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE FULLY, UM, ENTERING AND EXITING OFF OF EDGE SCHMIDT. IT WOULD BE FROM THEIR SIDE ROADS IS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LIMITED ACCESS ON EDGE SCHMIDT. GRANTED, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT SOMEWHERE. YEAH. UM, SO THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES, WHICH THEN WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THAT. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUCH A ROBUST CIP AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY REALLY NOT HAD ONE UP UNTIL THE LAST YEAR OR TWO AS EXTENSIVE AS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. UM, AND THIS IS, I BELIEVE OUT OF WHAT WE'VE FIGURED OUT ON COUNCIL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE PROBABLY THE LOT ON FARLEY WAS DONE, THAT CIP PROJECTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN UP AND MOVING UP UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 10 YEARS THAT WE HAVE HAD. AND THAT CIP WORK WAS FARLEY AND THE PARKING LOT, IT WASN'T ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON LIMMER IN 1660 FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW, WHICH FINALLY UNDERWAY OR EVEN AT 1660 SOUTH AT 79, THAT'S NOW DONE. UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN FORWARD MOVEMENT ON THE CIP AND WE'RE STARTING TO PICK UP. BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THAT THAT CIP HAS GOTTEN AS LARGE AS IT HAS IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOTICING, OKAY, IF WE DON'T GET THESE OTHER CONNECTIONS, THEN WE DO HAVE THOSE PINCH POINTS. UM, ONCE EMORY CROSSING IS FULLY DEVELOPED, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE ANOTHER EAST WEST ROUTE BETWEEN EDGE SCHMIDT AND 1660 NORTH, WHICH WILL BE A GOOD OFFSET TO LIER LOOP. IT DOESN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING, BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY HELP WITH SOME, SOME OF THE MORE LOCAL TRAFFIC INSTEAD OF THE THROUGH TRAFFIC. WILL THAT WARRANT A, UH, TIA AT THAT TIME? UM, THESE ACTUALLY ALREADY WARRANTED TIAS BACK WITH THE, UM, ZONING. OKAY. SO TIAS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULLY APPROVED LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS. UH, LOOKING AT FOR, I WOULD SAY ON THE EAST SIDE, THE GET HU GATEWAY, WHICH IS 5.2, UM, THE EXTENSION OF BROOKSIDE THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT THEN ALSO ALLOWS ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO NORTH FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT TO NOT HAVE TO GO TO LIMMER TO THE INTERSECTION, THEY'D BE ABLE TO CROSS OUT FROM BROOKSIDE AND THEN GO NORTH. OKAY. UM, SO IT, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WILL END UP BEING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EVERYBODY NOW IS FORCED TO GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION FROM ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY. SO GETTING PEOPLE ALTERNATIVE MODES AND ALTERNATIVE ACCESS POINTS THAT AREN'T JUST TOO LIMMER IS GOING TO START HELPING. OKAY. BUT, BUT THE, UH, EMORY COVE PHASE THREE THAT CONNECTS THE 1660 NORTH IS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AWAY, CORRECT? UM, PROBABLY NOT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AWAY. OKAY. WITH HOW THEY'RE BUILDING OUT RIGHT NOW. WE HAD, UM, MOST RECENTLY, I BELIEVE ANOTHER PLAT COME THROUGH AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S IN FOR REVIEW 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO REVIEW THOSE ALL THE TIME WITH, UM, OKAY. THE PIS GOOD. SO WE ARE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE EMORY GOOD. UM, DEVELOPMENT WITH PLATS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. I HAVE A, UH, QUESTION REGARDING, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION. SO [00:40:01] I KNOW THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF GATEWAY AS THE SUBSTANTIAL PARKWAY DE UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION. MM-HMM. DOES ANY OF THAT, BECAUSE I'M SEEING AT THE, I'M GONNA SAY THE FAR RIGHT CORNER OF LOT ONE BLOCK A I'M SEEING WHAT LOOKS LIKE FEMA ZONE, ET CETERA. IS ANY OF THAT PARKLAND DEDICATED OR AND YOU'RE ON FIVE TWO, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT'S PAGE 11 OF 21 IS THE ONE THAT I'M LOOKING AT. SO SOME OF THE FLOOD, UH, PARKS DID ACCEPT SOME OF THE FLOODPLAIN AS OKAY PARKLAND. UM, THEY ARE ABLE TO, EVEN WITH THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS MM-HMM. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A LOT OF OUR, UM, TRAILS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LONG FLOOD PLAIN. UM, SO THEY ACTUALLY DID A SITE VISIT BACK WHEN THE ZONING WAS COMING THROUGH. OKAY. AND, UM, SAW THE PROPERTY, SAW HOW IT WAS GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE PARKS MASTER PLAN. THIS DOES FOLLOW THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND IS ONE OF THOSE DESIRED CONNECTIONS ALONG THERE. AND THEN THIS WILL THEN GO NORTH AND FLOW INTO THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S EXISTING AND WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE BUILT OUT IN THAT EMORY CROSSING DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, IS WE'VE GOT THESE THREE PIECES OF LAND AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THREE OF THEM ARE CONNECTED TOGETHER FOR THE TRAILS. YEP. WHERE YOU SEEING THE FLOODPLAIN AT? UH, ON PAGE 11 OF 21 LOT ONE BLOCK A IN THE, OH, THERE YOU GO. UPPER RIGHT ON, UH, FIVE TWO DARK SPOT ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. YEAH. I WAS AT FIVE THREE. I'M SORRY. YEP. AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THAT LITTLE TINY CORNER THAT CUTS IN. RIGHT. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR LIGHTS? UM, SO CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, TONY? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. . IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR LIGHTS? THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. LIGHTS OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS. TRAFFIC LIGHTS. NO, . I'M A, I'M A TEXAN. I JUST CALL 'EM LIGHTS. OKAY. . NOT IF IT'S NOT PROPORTIONATE. SO THEY WOULD ONLY EVER HAVE TO PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE. SO FOR SOME OF THESE, IT MAY JUST BE A QUARTER OF A SIGNAL BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL, THEY WOULD NOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC ALONG EDGE, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THEM TO FIX. SO THAT'S WHERE THE TIFF COMES INTO PLAY, IS THAT IF A LIGHT IS NECESSARY, IF A LIGHT IS WARRANTED AND IT WASN'T OTHERWISE CALLED OUT AS THEY HAVE A SHARE IN THEIR TIA, I'M NOT AWARE IT AT ALL, THEN THAT COULD BE WHAT THE TIFF GOES TO PAY FOR. OKAY. WHO DETERMINES IF A LIGHT IS WARRANTED? UM, THERE ARE WARRANT STUDIES AND THEN CITY ENGINEER, IF IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN, UH, EXPRESSLY SAID YES AT THIS POINT, THIS LIGHT WILL BE NECESSARY IN THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. MM-HMM. , WE STILL HAVE TO JUST WORK WITH THE COUNTY. IT'S G WOULD, WOULD THE COUNTY, UH, YOU WANNA GO, DO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COST? UM, SOMETIMES ON THEIR STREETS THEY DO. SOMETIMES IT'S A JOINT VENTURE. SOMETIMES AFTER WE'VE ANNEXED IT'S US, EVEN THOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY STILL COUNTY ROAD. UM, THERE ARE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE OR IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN, MAYBE WE FUND IT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE CITY AND THEN THEY HAVE THE, UM, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT COST SHARING MECHANISMS AND AGREEMENTS YOU CAN DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHEN ARE THEY PROJECTING HAVING THESE, DO THEY HAVE A PROJECTION YET WHEN THE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE COMPLETED? NO. OKAY. AND THAT'S HONESTLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE USUALLY ASK ABOUT. UM, THEY'LL DISCLOSE AT SOME POINT WITH, UM, AT LEAST THEY KNOW HOW MANY LUE IN THEIR SER, BUT WE USUALLY DO NOT REQUEST TIMING. UM, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST UP TO THE MARKET AND HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GO IF THEY'RE AT FINAL PLAT. UM, IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE DART MOVING IN THE NEXT YEAR. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHTY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 5.2. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.2. I'LL SECOND IT AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHTY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WIRTZ TO APPROVE ITEM 5.2 AS PRESENTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. NAY. OKAY. VOTE PASSES. FIVE TO ONE. [00:45:03] I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 5.3. JIM, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON FIVE THREE OR WERE THEY MIXED? THAT WAS THE ATMOS. OKAY. I WAS JUST MAKING A NOTE. I'M SORRY, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO ITEM FIVE THREE AS READ. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHTY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHERROD. IS IT SHERROD OR SHERROD? SHERROD. SHERROD. MM-HMM. . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR HUDSON TO APPROVE ITEM 5.3 AS READ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. NAY. NAY. OKAY. WE NEED A VOTE CALL. THERE WAS BOTH, THEY BOTH PASSED THE TWO. FOUR. TWO FOUR. TWO. FOUR. TWO, FOUR. FIVE. ONE. FOUR. TWO. FOUR. TWO. YEAH. PASSES. FOUR, TWO. ALL RIGHTY. ITEM NUMBER SIX. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE, UM, IN YOUR EMAIL, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SEEN IT, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO RESTART THE, UH, LUNCHTIME JUST TEAMS MEETINGS JUST TO GO OVER THE NEXT, UM, MODULE OF THE UDC. THIS ONE IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE PORTION. THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, CHANGES FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO. ONE OF THEM IS BECAUSE STATE LAW HAS CHANGED SO MUCH AND THAT PLATS, ESSENTIALLY IF IT MEETS OUR PLOTTING CRITERIA, UM, STATE LAW SAYS APPROVE IT OR WE CAN GET SUED. UM, WHICH IS ALWAYS FUN. , WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, THE, WE CAN, THERE'S LAWSUITS THAT HAVE NO, NO, NO. I MEAN WHAT WAS THE, UH, THE, THE CHAPTER, THE SUBDIVISION, THE SECTION SUBDIVISION. THE SUBDIVISION SUB SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU. SUBDIVISION PLATTING. UM, SO STATE LAW HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED NOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER CHANGES FOR SHOT CLOCK AND THE ARREST TO ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS BECAUSE THIS IS MINISTERIAL. UM, SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING. I THINK WITHIN REASON, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY RELAS WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME FORWARD. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CHANGES, UM, IN THAT. AND THEN THAT ALSO ALLOWS TIME FOR, UM, TRAINING SESSIONS, MORE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT THE STATE IS DOING. UM, BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY THEN FOCUS ON THE LARGER ITEMS LIKE ZONING AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THINGS RATHER THAN SAYING, OKAY. REALLY COOL LINES ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER. AND THEN KNOWING YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT ANYWAY, WE CAN THEN FOCUS MORE ON JUST THOSE ZONING ITEMS. AND THEN THE, I THINK THE LARGER DISCUSSIONS OF JUST HOW DOES THE CITY OF HUDU, UM, MAINTAIN WHAT HUDU WANTS TO LOOK LIKE WITH ALL OF THE CHANGING ROLES IN THE STATE LAW AND JUST IN THE MARKET ITSELF. SO, SO WHEN WE'LL START, UM, THOSE START, I BELIEVE WE DID 'EM FOR THE WEEK AFTER THE 15TH. SO IT'S NOT NEXT WEEK, IT'S THE WEEK AFTER THAT. I SAID THERE WERE TWO 21ST AND 22ND I THINK DAYS. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YES. 21ST AND 22ND. SO IT'S NOT NEXT WEEK. SO IT'S TWO WEEKS FOR TODAY THAT THEY WOULD START, IT'S JUST LUNCHTIME. I'M SAYING THURSDAY WE WILL GET YOU 12 TO ONE ADDED. YES. OKAY. GET EMAIL. UM, WE WILL GET YOU ADDED AND IT'S REALLY, AND SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE GO OUT. I SHOULD BE SENDING OUT THE UM, JUST THE DRAFT OF WHAT WE HAVE UM, TOMORROW SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE ABOUT A WEEK TO LOOK THAT OVER AND JUST SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. YEAH. TWO WEEKS YOU'LL HAVE TWO-ISH. UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME TIME JUST TO LOOK IT OVER, MAKE ANY NOTES. UM, ALWAYS THESE ARE JUST GONNA BE, WE HAVE TO, I THINK WE HAVE TO STILL POST THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE POSSIBLE QUORUM. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GO TOTALLY FINE. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. IT'S JUST, HEY, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE THIS, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST SEND YOUR CONCERNS BACK IN VIA EMAIL. JUST SAY, HEY, I MADE THESE NOTES. UM, SEND A SEPARATE EMAIL CARRY OR PIGEON ANYTHING IS PROVIDED. WE LOVE COMMENTS ON THIS STUFF JUST SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UM, BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT. AND THE ONLY OTHER ONE I HAVE IS AN UPDATE. YOU WILL REMEMBER HOPEFULLY THERE WAS A REZONING ON 1660 SOUTH AT A HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN HERE SINCE ABOUT THE SIXTIES THAT YOU HEARD FEW MM-HMM. PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, MONTH AND A HALF AGO. THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL. SO THAT DID GO THROUGH. BUT I DID WANNA UPDATE YOU ON ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED ON AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL. THE OTHER ITEMS ARE PENDING, UM, BOTH THE PUD FOR THE LARGE CAR DEALERSHIP ALONG THE ONE 30 AND INNOVATION CORRIDOR THAT IS GOING ON THE 15TH, AS IS THE STRONGBERG PUD. UM, THAT'S OUT ON THAT EASTERN SIDE CLOSER TO 1 32. AND SO WITH EITHER OF THOSE YOU'LL LIKELY THEN [00:50:01] WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON SHOULD WE PUT MORE EMPLOYMENT ALONG THE 1 32 CORRIDOR NOW THAT WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CHANGE SOME THINGS. 'CAUSE UM, TALKING INTERNALLY WITH STAFF AND WITH ENGINEERING AND LOOKING AT THE MOBILITY MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A FEW AREAS THAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY WANNA CHANGE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WELL FROM, AND CHANGE IT BACK TO MAYBE 'CAUSE SOME COMMERCIAL CORNERS THAT WE'RE SAYING COULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE USEFUL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM THAT. WE'LL SEE HOW THE STROMBERG PLAYS OUT. SO WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW TO REACT ON THERE. UM, BUT THOSE WILL BE SOME UPCOMING ITEMS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WITH YOU. AND THE STROMBERG WAS THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT. WAS IT LAST MONTH OR THE MONTH PRIOR? THE LAST MONTH. MONTH. LAST MONTH. TWO MONTHS. YEAH. IT'S THE LONG NARROW 375 ACRES. RIGHT. AND THEN AT THE TOP, YEAH, THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND ONE OF THEM ALLOWED FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE EMPLOYMENT AREA AT THE NORTH. MM-HMM. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE THE CORRIDORS TRENDING TOWARDS WITH SAMSUNG COMING IN NOW. UM, AND ALL THE SAMSUNG SUPPLIERS. AND SO IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING CONCEPT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE. THEY DID HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY TO REALLY START TO BUFFER THOSE EMPLOYMENT USES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE. BUT UM, HOWEVER THAT PLAYS OUT, YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM US AGAIN JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE COMP PLAN ABOUT LAND, FUTURE LAND MOUTH MAYBE EVERY 18 MONTHS OR SO, DEPENDING ON HOW THE MARKET TURNS OUT. JUST WITH HOW QUICKLY EVERYTHING'S GOING. UM, AND JUST KINDA HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION OF DO WE NEED TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, PAINT THE ROSES RED OR CHANGE SOME OF THESE CORNERS OVER. SO, OKAY. SO TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED PLA PROCESS. WE DO NOT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AT ALL. ALRIGHT. WE ARE ONE OF THE LAST CITIES THAT DOES IT. OKAY. OKAY. , WOULD THAT BE BOTH PRELIMINARY AND FINAL OR ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE FINAL PRO PLAT AUTHORITY? I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND REPL AUTHORITY BECAUSE FINALS HAVE TO MATCH THE PRELIM. SO AT THAT POINT IT'S LIKE, WELL YES, IT MATCHES THEM. WE'RE GOOD. UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE DISCUSSED THERE. UM, RELAS WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN RIGHT NOW PER OUR CODE, NOT IN STATE LAW, WE STILL DO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR PRELIMS. THAT IS ONE THING I HAVE REQUESTED TO COME OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY MEANINGFUL FEEDBACK ON THOSE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT USUALLY THE FEEDBACK IS IS I DON'T LIKE THE USE. WE CAN'T CHANGE THE USE ONCE WE'RE AT A PLAT AND IF YOU SAY NO TO PLAT, THERE CAN BE A LAWSUIT BECAUSE IF ITS STATUTORILY MEETS EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU'RE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT. UM, SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE STATE IS DEFINITELY HAS CHANGED SOME THINGS, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD HELP SPEED THE PROCESS ALONG. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BRING EVERYTHING FORWARD AND THEN WE CAN FOCUS, WE CAN SHIFT A LITTLE BIT AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT REALLY WILL MATTER TO HOWTO IN THE LONG RUN RATHER THAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THE PAPERWORK ITEMS. AND THEN OF COURSE WITH THAT IT COULD, THERE WOULD BE CHANGES OF HEY, THESE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. THE REPORTING WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT. SO YOU'D STILL BE IN THE KNOW, JUST THE REPORTING COULD LOOK DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT TOMORROW. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU. OKAY. CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON CHEWY'S, UM, MCALLISTER'S AND ALL THAT? WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, CHEWY'S IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THEY ARE CALLING IN INSPECTIONS. MCALLISTERS. THEY HAD MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PERSON WHO WAS HIRED TO GO CLEAN THAT UP OVER THERE 'CAUSE IT UM, THE SUNFLOWERS WERE GETTING QUITE TALL. UM, THERE WAS A CONTRACTOR THAT WAS NO LONGER WITH THE PROJECT, SO IT WAS A STALEMATE. THERE WAS NO WORK DONE SINCE FEBRUARY. THEY WENT AND CLEANED THAT UP. BUT THAT THEY HAVE FULL PERMITS. UM, THEY WERE WORN SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE OWNER THAT IF THERE'S NO WORK PROGRESSING THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PULL THOSE PERMITS AGAIN. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S GOOD. UM, SO CONTINUING TO TRY TO PUSH OVER THERE. BUT WE DID GET A NAME AND THEY DID GET THE SUNFLOWERS CLEANED UP. UM, EVERYTHING ELSE OVER THERE IS PROGRESSING. THERE IS A BURGER KING GOING UP THAT'S BURGER KING. OKAY. OH, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING UP THERE? THERE'S A BURGER KING GOING IN. THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF THAT I HAVE HEARD MIGHT NOT COME IS THE TACO BUENO. BUENO WAS ORIGINALLY NOTED ON A PLAN, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT THAT MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY END UP BEING A TACO. BUENO. WHICH BURGER KING? MM-HMM. . WHERE'S THE BURGER KING COMING IN? UH, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THAT LINE. THAT STRIP ALONG CHRIS KELLY NEXT DOOR TO MCALLISTER'S. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. FANTASTIC. DOES WE HAVE RIGHT AFTER, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH BEFORE WE MET AND EVERYTHING AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MCALLISTERS AND EVERYTHING. IT WAS NOT TWO DAYS LATER 'CAUSE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. MM-HMM. TWO DAYS LATER THAT LOT WAS CLEANED UP. YEP. IT WAS LIKE, WELL I TALKED TO UM, THE MANAGER OF THE ONE IN GEORGETOWN AND HE TOLD ME, MY WIFE AND I, THAT THEY PLAN ON HAVING THAT ONE OPEN IN OCTOBER. IT COULD HAPPEN. I MEAN THEY'VE, THEY MADE, YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AND THEY'VE MADE SOME SERIOUS PROGRESS. THAT'S WHAT WAS SO INTERESTING. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH LEASE COAST. THEY [00:55:01] MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS AT THE BEGINNING. YOU'RE LIKE, IT'S COMING AND THEN EVERYTHING JUST KIND OF STALLED. RIGHT? YEAH. ONCE THEY GOT TO THE INTERNAL, AND I WILL ALSO SAY EVEN LIKE WITH WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE WITH JACK ALLEN'S, YOU SEE SO MUCH CHANGE WHEN THE WALLS ARE GOING UP AND THE INSTALLATION'S GOING ON, THEY'RE GETTING THE WALLBOARD. ONCE IT GOES INTERNAL, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT'S HAPPENING? RIGHT. YEAH. YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. YOU'RE LIKE EXACTLY. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE IT, IF THERE IS A SLOW DOWN, IT'S USUALLY ONE THAT ONCE I START SEEING SOMETHING SLOWING DOWN AND THEY HAVEN'T CALLED IN AN INSPECTION A MONTH, I'M USUALLY SENDING EMAILS. UM, CERTAINLY I DID FOR THE MCALLISTERS BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU FAILED THIS ONE INSPECTION. THAT WAS A REBAR IN THE GROUND. YOU GUYS GOOD? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING? WAS THERE, DID YOU HAVE TROUBLE IN SCHEDULING AN INSPECTION? 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WEBSITE. THINGS LIKE THAT. ESPECIALLY, UM, JUST TRYING TO REACH OUT AND YOU KNOW, PULL 'EM A LITTLE BIT. BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO. BUT BOTH OF THEM TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ARE STILL VERY MUCH COMING. IT WAS JUST A CONTRACTOR ISSUE ON ONE. AND CHEWY'S IS WELL UNDERWAY. EVO IS ALSO WELL UNDERWAY. I KNOW NOBODY ASKED ABOUT THAT ONE, BUT IT'S REALLY EXCITING AND IT IS RIGHT OVER BY CHEWY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT MOVING OVER BY CHEWY'S. YES, THERE IS THERE. THEY'RE ALSO MOVING A LOT OF DIRT ON ACROSS OVER THERE. UM, I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET? ACROSS ALLIANCE WHERE? ALLIANCE. ALLIANCE. ALLIANCE. OH, THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO BE? THAT'S HUGE. THAT IT IS HUGE. IT GOES ALL THE WAY BETWEEN ALLIANCE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE, ALMOST THE PRODUCT ROAD INNOVATION. UM, YEAH. TO INNOVATION. SO IT IS HUGE. YOU WOULD'VE, UM, SEEN THAT A FEW YEARS AGO. I BELIEVE THE FINAL PLOTS CAME FORWARD IN 2023. I ONLY KNOW THIS BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT THOSE THE OTHER DAY. UM, THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS COMING IN. THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE SITE PLANS. IT'S CALLED IRONWOOD. IT'S VERY LARGE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. 'CAUSE THAT WHOLE AREA WAS SET OUT FOR, SO IT'S GONNA LOOK SIMILAR TO TITAN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UM, FOR IRONWOOD YOU WOULD PROBABLY, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN ONE 30 IN VILLE. SAME DEVELOPERS. SO SAME KIND OF LOOK, THEY'LL LOOK GOOD. I MEAN, THEY'LL LOOK LIKE TITAN. IT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU'RE IN THE EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT ON THOSE BIGGER CORRIDORS OF 79 AND ONE 30. THEY'VE GOT SOME USERS COMING IN OVER THERE TOO. UM, AS, AS FAR AS THINGS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ABOUT THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT? UH, BUSINESS IS THERE THAT, IS THAT ANYTHING WE NEED TO HAVE ON OUR RADAR? UM, NOT UNTIL IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA. OKAY. UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN BROUGHT TO US FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT THERE WERE MORE OUTSIDE SALES THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOWED IN THE PUD. THAT SEEMS LIKE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A TYPO OR A MISPRINT OF SOME SORT BECAUSE THEY SAY YES, YOU CAN DO IT FOR SOME ITEM SALES OUTSIDE. BUT THEN THEY ALSO, IN THE VERY FIRST, I WOULDN'T CALL IT THE PREAMBLE, BUT CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF IT SAYING HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY OF THESE THINGS. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY LISTED THERE AND WE'RE LIKE, HEY, WE NEED TO CLEAN THIS PART UP. THEY DO WANNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT, I THINK ON THEIR TRUCK RENTAL AND SOME OF THEIR CONTRACTOR THINGS. UH, WHEN THE MAIN THING THAT, UM, STAFF HAD ASKED BACK FOR IS, WELL, HOW DOES THIS WORK? HOW DOES THIS LOOK? UM, HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS IN OTHER PLACES? WE ACTUALLY WENT AND LOOKED AT A LOT OF OTHER HOME DEPOTS IN THE AREA OF HOW IS THIS WORKING? UNFORTUNATELY FOR MOST, THEY ARE NEWER HOME DEPOTS, SO THEY HAD SPACE TO THE SIDE. UM, THIS DOES NOT, SO LOOKING AT, WELL, HOW CAN WE SHIELD IT? HOW CAN WE BUFFER IT? UM, HOW CAN WE STILL MAKE THIS LOOK LIKE A, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST CLASS COMMERCIAL CORNER, BUT THEN ALSO ALLOW HOME DEPOT TO DO WHAT HOME DEPOT DOES. AND SO WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN COMMENTS BACK, BUT THAT WOULD BE A FULL PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PD WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THE INTERESTING ONE ON THAT, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING MODIFIED. SO YOU WILL SEE IT IN THE, UM, ZONING, BUT IF IT'S NOT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S BEING MODIFIED, WE CAN'T TOUCH IT. UM, IS THAT IN 2014 WHEN THAT PUD WAS APPROVED FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS OUTSIDE SALES AND UM, STORAGE OF SOME OF THEIR, I GUESS SEASONAL ITEMS, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET UP TO A FIVE STORY LIMIT. SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING ONE. SO THAT WAS DONE IN 20 14, 60 FEET? YEAH. IF OR MORE A LITTLE BIT. NOW, WOULD, WOULD THAT HEIGHT APPLY TO THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S GOING IN BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE BANK AND FIRESTONE AND ALL THAT STUFF? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BREWERY. WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS A SMALLER BREWERY AND BARBECUE JOINT. MM-HMM. . AH, I KNOW NOW IT'S A BARBECUE JOINT. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. BURGERS AND BREWERY. YEAH. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REALLY NICE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. DO THEY, DO THEY GET TO GO UP TO 60 FEET? UM, NO, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY FOR THE, THE HOME DEPOT, PUD, IT'S REALLY JUST THE HOME DEPOT LOT THAT IS AFFECTED. SO IF HOME DEPOT, I SUPPOSE WERE TO REDEVELOP AND WANT TO DO MULTI STORIES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THEY DEVELOP THOUGH. UM, BUT THAT WAS INTERESTING THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED UP TO THAT HEIGHT. SO, MM-HMM. . YES SIR. WHAT HAPPENED TO DOLLAR GENERAL BESIDES NOTHING? , UM, DOLLAR GENERAL ACTUALLY PULLED OUT OF THAT SECOND ONE ON LONG LUMBER. UM, THE LITTLE VERSION THEY STORE, THEY YEP. THEY PULLED AWAY. SO WHO OWNS IS THE SAME OWNER? IT'S THE SAME OWNER. GO GET AN ALL BIG STAND. I DON'T, I JUST SAID NEVERMIND. WE DON'T WANT TRADER [01:00:01] JOE. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT AS MUCH FUN 'CAUSE WE WORK ON THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF, THAT WOULD, COULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING AND THEN THEY GO AWAY AND IT'S, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A NEW CONCEPT FLOOR PLAN. RIGHT. CONCEPT MORE GROCERY, WHICH HUH. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS BEING DONE OR NOT, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THE CITY CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE TO LET JOHN Q PUBLIC UNDERSTAND HOW CITIES WORK? ? I MEAN, WELL, I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE THAT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY GET TIRED OF READING ON FACEBOOK STATEMENTS BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT'S, IT'S READ FACEBOOK PAINTING A VERY NEGATIVE PICTURE OF HUDA TO ME. UH, I MEAN LIKE JUST RECENTLY WITH FLORA, THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH ON THERE AND OF COURSE IT'S THE CITY'S FAULT IT'S THERE. IT'S GONNA BE THIS AND IT'S GONNA BE THAT. THAT'S WITH EVERY CITY THOUGH. BUT I KNOW, BUT I THINK IF, IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD HAVE A, SOMETHING ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE OR SOMETHING SO JOHN Q PUBLIC CAN GO AND READ. THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED IT. WELL, BUT IT'S, IF WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR IDENTIFY DEVELOPMENT CODE YEAH. THAT SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. SOMETHING FROM DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENTS ONLINE. WE ARE WORKING ON A SUPER SECRET DASHBOARD TO EXPLAIN THINGS, JUST LIKE YOU SAID. YEAH. IF IT MEETS EVERYTHING, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S A WAY THAT WE COULD PROBABLY TELL THAT STORY A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM 'CAUSE THEY DO SUCH WONDERFUL WORK. UM, SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CHANGES GOING FORWARD OF HOW DO WE TELL THAT STORY AND HOW DO WE TELL WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE AS WELL? BECAUSE FLORA IS A MUD THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2009, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . IT'S IN THE E TJ THAT'S NOT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? FLORA? FLORA, ISRA. UM, IT'S A HUGE DEVELOPMENT ON CHANDLER ROAD AND 1660 NORTH. THEY'VE GOT A, LIKE ONE 30 STREET AREA. THEY'VE GOT A BILLBOARD ACROSS FROM HEV. SO IT'S IN E TJ'S. RIGHT. AND IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT'S A FULL NICE, YEAH, IT'S A FULL MEAN, IT WILL BE A, IT'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERNS OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE REST F-L-O-R-A. MM-HMM. . FLOR. AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACTUALLY REPAVING A PORTION, OR AT LEAST IN FRONT OF THEIR, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTY ROAD 1 33. SO THAT SHOULD BE NICE 'CAUSE THAT THING IS BUMPY. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET IN JUST WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH RELATIONSHIPS. UM, AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAS ALSO SEEN LIKE, HEY, THIS WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD ALSO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE YES, THEY ARE IMPACTING OUR STREETS. UM, BUT CERTAINLY WITH, YEAH, WITH WINTER STATE LAWS WITH YOU CAN DIS ANNEX OR DO A LOT OF THINGS IN THE COUNTY AND TRY TO GET A BATCH PLANT. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF. THAT'S AN ONGOING COUNCIL ITEM FOR, UM, BATCH PLANTS BEING THOSE PRIVATE WASTEWATER PLANTS. SO I THINK THAT INFORMATION'S OUT THERE MAY JUST NOT BE AS READILY ACCESSIBLE OR DIGESTIBLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN AGENDA AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THE ITEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. . SO CERTAINLY THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO BETTER EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. HUNDRED PERCENT. AND MAKE SURE YOU PUT IN THERE THAT THE CITY IS NOT IN THE, UH, HABIT OF PURCHASING FARMS. OH, OKAY. YEAH, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN THE HABIT OF PURCHASING FARMS. OH GOD. I JUST IGNORE THOSE AND DON'T LOOK AT 'EM. I I SEE THE COMMUNITY. I TRY TO IGNORE 'EM, BUT I CAN'T YOU STAND IT SOMETIMES. YEAH. BUT IT SAYS IT'S GONNA HAVE A MARKET SQUARE FOR FARMER'S MARKETS. MM-HMM. WELCOME CENTER, CLUBHOUSE, POOL, FITNESS CENTER, PLAYGROUND STUFF, SPLASH PAD 400, EXCUSE ME, 835 ACRES. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AS I CALL IT THE TRIANGLE? WELL, OF COURSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S CALLED. IT'S UP THERE ON, UH, CHRIS KELLY AND ONE 30, THE 95 ACRES, UH, I'VE GOT FOR SALE. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ELSE. SO HER MILL, IT'S BACK UP FOR SALE. YEAH, I SAW THAT AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. FISHER'S GOT IT BACK UP FOR SALE AGAIN. MM-HMM. NO. RIGHT BY THE UNHEARD WHERE YOU'RE COMING IN AND 6 85 GOES, GOES WAY AND THEN ON HER CHURCH GOES THIS S WAY AND IT, IT'S A TRIANGLE. IT MAKES, AS SOON AS YOU SAID TRIANGLE, I WAS LIKE, I KNOW. TWO TRIANGLES. WHICH ONE ? UM, NO I HADN'T, I'D NEVER ACTUALLY SAW ANYTHING FURTHER AFTER THE, UM, MEETINGS THAT WE HAD HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER TO SEE HOW THAT COULD WORK. MM-HMM. BECAUSE IT IS PARTIALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S MOSTLY IN THE MUD, BUT WE HAVE THIS LIMITED ANNEXATION PER, UM, LIMITED PURPOSE, ANNEXATION, A FEW OTHER THINGS. SO, UM, BUT NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH. OKAY. COOL. OKAY. IF GOT ANYTHING ELSE FUN, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, . ALRIGHTY. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. IF I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 8:04 PM ANY OBJECTIONS? NO. 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