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          RIGHT AT SIX 
          [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER]
O'CLOCK, WE'LL CALL THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, AUGUST 22ND. 
          ORDER. 
          UH, WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          HERE. 
          MAYOR SNYDER. 
          HERE. 
          MAYOR PRO. 
          TEM GORDON. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD HERE. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE JUST, I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA HERE. 
          DO WE JUST HAVE PLEDGE NEXT? OR ARE WE DOING AN INVOCATION? UH, COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEDGE. 
          JUST STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMENT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          [3. PUBLIC COMMENT]
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          THE LIGHT WILL START OFF GREEN. 
          WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW. 
          AND WHEN THERE'S TIME'S UP, IT'LL GO TO RED. 
          FIRST UP, WE HAVE JACQUELINE COLEMAN. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER. 
          FIRST OF ALL, AS MEMBERS, AS A MEMBER OF THE DEIB COMMISSION, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE DIVERSITY AND BELONGING STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          OUR COMMISSION IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, AND WE ARE HAVE BEEN FACED WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGES. 
          BUT THROUGH OUR VOLUNTEER WORK, WE ARE COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THE WORK THAT WE DO IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT. 
          AND AS THE CITY OF HUDDLE'S STRATEGIC PLAN CONTINUES TO INVOLVE THE DIVERSITY AND BELONGING STRATEGIC PLAN WILL FULLY SUPPORT IT. 
          WE ARE NOW IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF THE STRATEGY. 
          YOU HAVE ALL RECEIVED A COPY OF THE PROPOSAL THAT OUTLINES RECOMMENDED WORK, AND WE ASK THAT IT BE APPROVED. 
          THE DIVERSITY AND BELONGING PLAN SUPPORTS ALL FOUR PILLARS OF THE HUDDLE STRATEGIC PLAN, ESPECIALLY PILLAR FOUR, WHICH IS CREATING THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          WE, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO THANK THE CITY MANAGER FOR PUTTING ON WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A MASTERCLASS IN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THE WORK WAS A REAL TIME DEMONSTRATION WHERE EVERYONE CAN HAVE INPUT AND FEEL THAT THEY BELONG AND HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD, WHICH IS A MODEL FOR CREATING BELONGING. 
          WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT AND OUR OPINIONS CAN BE INFORMED. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS A A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WERE NOT MORE PEOPLE THERE. 
          BUT IN ADDITION, UM, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING WITH THE STAFF WHO ARE WONDERFUL AND AS WELL AS OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND COLLABORATE FOR EXCELLENCE AND EFFICIENCY. 
          THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE IS MODEST AND IS, IS VERY MODEST, BUT IT IS A NEEDED INVESTMENT THAT WILL SUPPORT HUDDLE AS WE CONTINUE TO REALIZE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY. 
          THERE'S NOT FLUFF IN THERE AND IT IS NOT PERFORMATIVE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN ENTITY THAT JUST CHECKS THE BOX. 
          WE, UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SUPPORT IT. 
          AS AN EXAMPLE, JUST LAST NIGHT I WAS TALKING TO A PROVIDER OF SERVICES FOR DIVERSITY AND BELONGING. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THE SERVICES THAT THEY WERE OFFERING WERE EXCELLENT, THE COST WOULD BE ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH AS THAT ONE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAD FOR ONE SEMINAR, ONE DAY SEMINAR VERSUS THE SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE OUTLINED IN THE PROPOSAL, WHICH COVERS SIX TO 12 MONTHS OF ONGOING SERVICES, SUCH AS DEVELOPING MEASUREMENTS, STRENGTHENING INTERNAL PROCESS, AND LEARNING AND ACCOUNTABILITY SESSIONS FOR LEADERS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE PROPOSAL AS WE CONTINUE ON OUR JOURNEY. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          NEXT WE HAVE PERRY SARD. 
          OH, THANKS. 
          GOOD EVENING GUYS. 
          FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS PERRY SARD. 
          I LIVE ON STEWART DRIVE IN THE GLENWOOD SUBDIVISION IN HU TEXAS. 
          AND I AM HERE FOR TWO REASONS TONIGHT. 
          THE FIRST REASON SINCE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SEEMS TO BE IN OUR BUDGET AND IN EVERYBODY'S MINDS THIS YEAR AND IN YEARS PREVIOUS. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S COMING INTO MY HOUSE FROM THE CITY. 
          WE ARE BEING CHARGED OUTRAGEOUS SUMS FOR WATER RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I HAVE HEARD IT FIGURES BANDAID AROUND THAT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE AT $200 A MONTH FOR THAT. 
          NOW, I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT WE'RE GETTING SOME TYPE OF A RECHARGE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN ONLINE UNTIL QUARTER ONE OF 2026. 
          BUT THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. 
          PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN THAT DON'T HAVE WATER FILTERS, I 
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GOT RID OF A SOFTENER 'CAUSE I CAN'T STAND THEM. 
          I PUT IN A FILTER. 
          THIS DISGUSTED ME. 
          IF I WANTED TO SAY WHAT I REALLY THOUGHT THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T LIKE IT. 
          SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NO NEW REVENUE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING ON THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. 
          I DON'T SEE A FIX COMING WITH NO, WITH NO TAXES, WITH NO MONEY TO DO IT. 
          I'LL BE GLAD TO LEAVE ONE OF THESE WITH YOU, BUT I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA GO TO TECQ AND ONE'S GONNA STAY WITH ME. 
          THE SECOND ITEM IS WE HAVE HELD ELECTIONS IN THIS TOWN, TOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          I HAVE VOTED IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. 
          I VOTED FOR EVERY CITY COUNCIL SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE. 
          WHEN I VOTE, I HOPE I VOTE FOR ADULTS. 
          WHEN UNFORTUNATELY WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW IS NOT TOO MANY ADULTS. 
          I SEE PEOPLE SPENDING MOST OF THEIR TIME TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF CITY COUNCIL. 
          I SEE PEOPLE ARGUING. 
          I SEE PEOPLE VOTING NO AGAINST CERTAIN PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON. 
          DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD FOR THE CITY, THEY'RE SAYING NO, THE OTHER PERSON WANTS IT AND THEY'RE VOTING. 
          NO, NO, WE ARE ADULTS. 
          YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ADULTS. 
          YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEAD AS ADULTS. 
          THE REST OF THE TOWN'S LOOKING UP HERE AND SAYING, WHAT IN THE HELL DO WE HAVE? I WOULD SAY IT'S THIRD GRADERS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN INSULT TO THIRD GRADERS. 
          HONESTLY, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE VOTE, GO THE WAY YOU WANT. 
          ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON. 
          IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT VOTE, THEN HAVE YOUR DEBATE AND TRY TO CHANGE IT. 
          TRY TO SWAY OTHER PEOPLE. 
          DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS OF HUDU. 
          NOT WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU, NOT WHAT IS YOUR OPINION THAT YOU DON'T LIKE PETER. 
          SO IF HE PUTS A MOTION, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE NO. 
          WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR NOT. 
          OR IF BRIAN PUTS A MOTION AND MIKE DOESN'T LIKE BRIAN, HE'S GONNA VOTE NO. 
          NO MATTER, NO STOP. 
          LEAD HIS ADULTS. 
          LET'S TRY TO BE A SHINING EXAMPLE TO OTHER CITIES IN THIS STATE. 
          NOT A LAUGHING STOCK. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          NEXT WE HAVE JAMES WEAVER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES WEAVER, LIVE HERE IN HUDA. 
          I LIKE NUMBERS. 
          YOU CAN LEARN A LOT MORE FROM ECONOMIC DATA THAN LISTENING TO A BUNCH OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MOST OF THEM ARE QUOTE JUNIOR POLITICIANS WAITING TO GO TO THE BIG SHOW STATE OR FEDERAL LEGISLATURE. 
          LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS. 
          COST OF LIVING PRICES HAVE GROWN 20% OR MORE SINCE 2020 IN SOME, SOME SECTORS HAS GONE UP MUCH MORE. 
          THAT PERCENTAGE WAS BASED UPON DATA OF DATED 3 6 24. 
          THE PRICES HAVE COOLED SOME, UH, FROM 8.7 IN 23 TO THE HIGHEST IN 40 YEARS AND IT'S DOWN AROUND 2.9 RIGHT NOW. 
          INDICATORS ARE SHOWING THE SLOWDOWN IS STILL HAPPENING. 
          YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS ON STATUS THOUGH, S-T-A-T-I-S-T-O OR TA, PARDON ME, STATUS TO.COM ALONG WITH OTHER NUMBERS AT FORETELL ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. 
          HOW MUCH WE CAN'T TELL THAT YET. 
          LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THE DATA FROM THE DALLAS FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION AND BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. 
          TEXAS JOB GROWTH DROPPED TO AN ANNUALIZED RATE OF 1.6 IN MARCH 1.6%. 
          THAT WAS DOWN FROM 4.1 GROWTH IN FEBRUARY. 
          THE STATE'S PERFORMANCE TRAILED THE NATION'S 2.3 JOB GROWTH IN MARCH OF 2024. 
          I POINT OUT TWO IMPORTANT INDICATORS. 
          ONE FROM THE TEXAS MANUFACTURER OUTLOOK SURVEY. 
          PMOS, IT'S PRODUCTION SETUP AND TEXAS SERVICE SECTOR OUTLOOK SURVEY, T-S-S-O-S, ITS REVENUE. 
          THOSE NUMBERS WERE AT THEIR HIGHEST AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020. 
          AROUND 15% PER QUARTER OVER QUARTER ANALY ANNUALIZED. 
          THOSE NUMBERS HAVE DECLINED TO A NEGATIVE ANNUALIZED FIGURE. 
          NOW GRANTED THE NEGATIVE RATE IS NOT SEVERE AT THIS TIME, BUT IT HAS CONTINUALLY BEEN DROPPING SINCE 2020 FROM A 15% QUARTER OVER QUARTER RATE TO NOW SHOWING A NEGATIVE. 
          IT'S A BIG CONTRACTION, NOT GOOD IN ANY WAY. 
          YOU CUT THOSE NUMBERS A FOUR YEAR CONSISTENT DECLINE. 
          WHEN YOU GET CONTRACTIONS OR CONTRACTIONS, PARDON ME, IN THE PRODUCTION AND REVENUE ROCK VOLUMES OF FOUR YEAR PERIOD, YOU WILL HAVE PROBLEMS THAT AFFECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HEARD FROM KATHLEEN COOK ABOUT LOCAL EMPLOYERS THAT ARE PROPOSING SIGNIFICANT LAYOFFS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          ALL OF THIS AFFECTS THE STABILITY OF OUR POPULATION BASE, ESPECIALLY THOSE AT THE LOWER RUNGS. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY HURTING. 
          I APPLAUD THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SPOKE UP 
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FOR HOLDING THE LINE THIS YEAR. 
          WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR ALL OF YOU TO AGREE ON? THANKS SIR. 
          NEXT WE HAVE WILL WILLIAMS. HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          I SAW YOU LAST WEEK. 
          I'M BACK. 
          NO CANE TODAY. 
          . 
          OKAY, THIS IS HOW PASSIONATE I AM. 
          WHEN I CAME LAST WEEK, I HAD SURGERY THREE DAYS BEFORE I GOT HERE. 
          THAT'S HOW PASSIONATE I'M, I DON'T LIVE IN HOME, BUT I CAME HERE TO FIGHT FOR VETERANS. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE MONEY THAT YOU CAN HELP VETERANS WITH AND VETERANS CAN TURN AROUND AND HELP YOU GUYS. 
          UH, YOU HAVE A MEMORIAL PARK, YOU HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE. 
          YOU HAVE MONEY FROM THE FROM THE STATE. 
          WHEN YOU GONNA USE IT, YOU CAN TAKE THAT MONEY THAT YOU HAVE SET ASIDE, GIVE IT TO THE VETERANS AND LET THE VETERANS WORK FOR Y'ALL AND RAISE MONEY TO PUT UP THE MEMORIAL PARK. 
          IT'S JUST THAT EASY BECAUSE IF, IF YOU DON'T, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA DO TO MEMORIAL PARK? WHO'S GONNA DO IT? HOW BEEN ABLE TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHICH SIDE THE FLAG GOES ON. 
          THE VETERANS DO MOST OF THE TIME. 
          IF YOU PUT UP A FLAG, IF YOU HAVE A CEREMONY, YOU ASK THE VETERANS, IS THIS RIGHT? WHY NOT JUST GIVE IT TO 'EM AND LET 'EM DO IT? I JUST LEFT ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL MEETING COMING HERE FROM GEORGETOWN. 
          THEY WERE TRYING TO GET ME TO GET THE VETERANS TO USE THEIR MONEY AND NOW I'M HERE BEGGING FOR MONEY FOR VETERANS. 
          I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN HALL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE SPEECH THAT WE WROTE OUT WHILE WE WERE GONNA DO. 
          DON'T DO THAT. 
          I'M SPEAKING FROM THE HEART. 
          I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. 
          ON THE WAY HERE, I SAW A SIGN THAT SAYS SUPPORT VETERANS. 
          REALLY, REALLY? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A BUILDING. 
          WE'RE HOMELESS. 
          WE MIGHT AS WELL BE IN VIETNAM WHEN WE CAME BACK FROM VIETNAM. 
          PEOPLE SPIT ON US. 
          YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SPIT ON US TOO. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A HOME. 
          IT'S JUST THAT EASY. 
          WE'RE HOMELESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER HEARD OF THE DUFFLE BAGS. 
          ONCE A MONTH WE GO AND GET SUPPLIES AND WE GIVE IT OUT TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST VETERANS. 
          BUT WE CAN'T DO IT IF WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING. 
          HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? THAT HELPS YOU GUYS. 
          PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD CERTAIN THINGS, THEY CAN COME TO US AND GET IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING. 
          WE NEED YOU GUYS HELP. 
          THERE'S MONEY THERE SET ASIDE THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO THE VETERANS AND IN TURN, TURN AROUND AND LET THE VETERANS WORK FOR YOU GUYS. 
          PUT UP THE MEMORIAL PARK. 
          I JUST HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, OTHER CITIES ARE LAUGHING AT Y'ALL. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. 
          POLITICS IS NOT MY THING. 
          BUT NOW YOU GOT A CHANCE TO HAVE CITIES TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING FOR THE VETERANS AND MOST CITIES AND STATE, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. 
          TEXAS IS THE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF ANY VETERANS, ANY STATE THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO. 
          SO YOU GUYS, I ASKED YOU, PLEASE HELP US. 
          THAT'S ALL WE ASK. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A HANDOUT. 
          WE'RE ASKING TO LET US HELP YOU, HELP OTHERS. 
          IF YOU LET US HELP YOU, I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED. 
          VETERANS DO NOT GIVE UP AT ALL. 
          IF WE DID, I WOULDN'T HAVE CAME HERE THREE DAYS AFTER SURGERY AND I DON'T LIVE HERE. 
          SO GIVE US A CHANCE. 
          MAKE IT AN INVESTMENT, GIVE US A CHANCE. 
          OKAY YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          THANKS. 
          WE HAVE IDA WEAVER. 
          HI THERE. 
          MY NAME IS IDA GALE WEAVER. 
          HERE'S MY TAKE ON THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST SATURDAY AND THE KEY WORD IS DISAPPOINTMENT. 
          IT WAS JUST A FORUM FOR CITY HALL HU TO SPOUT PROPAGANDA SUPPORTING THEIR EXISTENCE. 
          I AGREE WITH CITY HALL HU IN THAT A SMALL SAMPLING OF THE PEOPLE OF HUDU HAS TOLD THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. 
          THERE SEEMS TO BE LITTLE DISAGREEMENT THOUGH, THAT THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          BUT CITY HALL HUDU HAS BEEN HANGING THEIR COLLECTIVE HATS ON A MYRIAD OF OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT. 
          I'M OF HEARING IT. 
          CITY HALL HU SEEMS FOCUSED ON WANTING US TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE BUDGET AND HOW THEY WERE LOADING IT UP WITH THE PEOPLE'S 
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DESIRES. 
          I HAVE NO INTEREST IN LEARNING ABOUT THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S NOT MY JOB AND IT'S NOT COUNCIL'S JOB. 
          THE PEOPLE OF HUDA ARE FOCUSED ON KEEPING THE CITY TAX RATE AFFORDABLE FOR AS MANY OF THE CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE. 
          IT IS A JOB OF STAFF, INCLUDING THE CITY MANAGER, DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO PROPOSE A BUDGET THAT WORKS WITHIN THAT AFFORDABLE RATE. 
          STAFF HAS CREATED ALREADY AND WASTED THEIR TIME CREATING THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE BUDGET. 
          THIS IS THE HIGHEST RATE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY WITHOUT GOING TO A BALLOT. 
          IT APPEARS AS STAFF EXPECTS NOW FOR THE PEOPLE OF HU TO TELL 'EM HOW TO WHITTLE THIS BUDGET DOWN TO COMPLY WITH AN ACCEPTABLE NOT TO EXCEED RATE. 
          THIS IS NOT OUR JOB. 
          NO WONDER WE'RE NOT SHOWING UP. 
          IT'S NOT OUR JOB. 
          BOTTOM LINE COUNCIL HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT APPROVE A TAX RATE HIGHER THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. 
          NOW STAFF NEEDS TO SUBMIT A NO NEW BED REVENUE BUDGET THAT FULLY FUNDS, ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, HEALTH AND SAFETY AND A FEW SPECIAL INTEREST ALONG THE WAY. 
          NO ONE'S GONNA BE FULLY SATISFIED, BUT WE CANNOT AFFORD A COMPROMISE THAT SATISFIES EVERYONE. 
          CITY HALL HU MUST TAKE CARE. 
          THEIR PRIORITY MUST BE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY. 
          DON'T CUT THESE THINGS, DON'T POSTPONE. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE FULL FUNDING OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          WE HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR CITY ENGINEERING AND WE HAVE TO ADD ENGINEERS. 
          OUR ENGINEERING STAFF  WELL OF TWO PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK ONE OF 'EM ARE EVEN FULL-TIME. 
          WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FIVE YEAR WE NEED, AND WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS WE NEED THAT JUSTICE CENTER, OPEN AND OPERATIONAL. 
          WE NEED FINANCIAL ADVISORY SERVICES, AN INTERNAL AUDITOR, FULLY FUNDED CONSTRUCTION ON THE ROADS AND MAINTENANCE. 
          WE NEED A PUBLIC WORKS WITHIN THREE YEARS. 
          WE NEED A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY, OPERATIONAL, READY FOR THE FACILITY. 
          A A FACILITY, STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT. 
          EVEN WITH BUNKS FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE WEATHER, 24 HOURS, THEY NEED A PLACE THEY CAN GO AND WASH UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK MA'AM. 
          AND FOR THE RECORD FOR THE PUBLIC, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS ONLINE FROM TANYA WARD, KYLE THOMAS, JOHN RO, TERRY THITO, JULIA ANDERSON, GEORGE ZINGA, JESSICA NAURA, ISAAC CAMPBELL, ABBY RANON, UH, CAROLYN WRINKLE, MAGGIE CONY, JAMES GRINER, CARLY CRON, DORIS LOUIS, AMY WILLIAMS, MAYBE ANOTHER ONE FROM TANYA WARD, DOUGLAS MASTERS AND KATHLEEN COOK. 
          SO COUNCIL'S IN RECEIPT OF THOSE. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM WE HAVE 
          [4.1. Discussion and possible action on Proposed Fiscal Year 2025 Budget.]
IS ITEM FOUR ONE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET. 
          SO I GUESS WE'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS TO STAFF OR WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP DURING THE CONVERSATION OR DO THEY NEED TO BE ASKED NOW? I THINK THE WAY OUR PROTOCOLS ARE SET UP, WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 
          WE JUST CAN'T DISCUSS THE ITEM UNTIL WE MAKE A MOTION. 
          SO I GUESS WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          I GUESS I'M A LITTLE LOST AS TO WHAT, MAYBE CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE EXPECTED FLOW OF THE MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE? OR LIKE, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, SINCE YOU'RE RUNNING THE MEETING, KIND OF WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING HERE TONIGHT? YOU GUYS HAVE INSTITUTED COUNCIL PROTOCOLS. 
          WILL WE LIKE 'EM OR NOT? AS I RECALL AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS OR ASK QUESTIONS AND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO DEBATE OF HOW I DON'T LIKE THAT PROCEDURE, BUT THAT'S THE PROCEDURE WE HAVE IN PLACE. 
          SO PER OUR PROTOCOLS, WE CAN'T DISCUSS AN ITEM UNTIL WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. 
          MOTION TO DISCUSS A BUDGET AND START, UM, MAKING, UM, CUTS TO THE BUDGET AND AGREEING ON THAT. 
          AND I WOULD SUGGEST AND ALSO MOTION TO, AS PART OF THE MOTION TO 
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HAVE THOSE ITEMS TO BE, UH, LARGE TICKET ITEMS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          SO A MOTION TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET AND TO MAKE CUTS TO IT. 
          OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON. 
          THE ONLY SUGGESTION I I WAS GONNA MAKE IS WE'VE SUSPENDED THE RULES IN YEARS PAST. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS IN TERMS OF OUR PROTOCOLS, BUT IN REGARDS TO MY MOTION OR IN REGARDS TO SUSPENDING THE RULES, I MEAN, TO ME, WE COULD JUST SUSPEND THE RULES. 
          BUT IF YOU, WE MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS A BUDGET ONLY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. 
          IT'S WHATEVER GETS US GOING HERE. 
          SO AS A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND REPRESENTS, UH, ESSENTIALLY POINT, LET ME THINK HERE, 500.2 OF A PENNY ON THE TAX RATE. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER BECAUSE ANYTHING 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO CUT. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA BE AT NO NEW REVENUE AND WE'RE AT 45, WE'VE GOTTA CUT ALMOST 6 CENTS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT LARGER ITEMS BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT DOES NOT MOVE THE TAX RATE AT ALL, UM, AS I'VE SEEN PROPOSED OUT ON FACEBOOK. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IF WE DO KIND OF FOCUS ON THE BIGGER ITEMS FIRST, UM, AND THEN KIND OF WORK OUR WAY DOWN TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER ITEMS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WILL MAKE, MAKE LITTLER DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, I WOULD KIND OF PREFER THAT INSTEAD OF, I THINK IN TIMES PAST WE HAVE GONE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT AND KINDA LOOKED AT EVERY DEPARTMENT INDEPENDENTLY. 
          UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER COURT LAW FOR WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SUGGESTING IS MAYBE WE JUST FOCUS INSTEAD OF DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT RATHER. 
          LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE REALLY BIG ITEMS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE CUT. 
          KIND OF START THERE AND SEE, SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. 
          IS THAT KINDA WHAT YOU'RE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, I LIKE THAT. 
          I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR SNYDER. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR PRO TIM GORDON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. 
          AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SEVEN ZERO. 
          OKAY, SO I'LL START US OFF. 
          I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE KIND OF BIGGER ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I THINK PERSONALLY ABOUT EVERY ITEM THAT I'LL BE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE, I THINK COULD BE JUSTIFIED. 
          I THINK IT'S NEEDED, BUT I'M WILLING TO, IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND SPIRIT OF WORKING TOGETHER, I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT SOME CUTS. 
          AND SO MY FIRST RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CUT THAT, UH, THE NEW STREETS AND DRAINAGE CREW, OR THE SIDEWALK AND DRAINAGE CREW, UM, THAT WOULD BE FOR PERSONNEL. 
          UM, WHEN I ADDED IT UP WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT BENEFITS, IT CAME UP TO ABOUT A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER REASON THAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE THEN WOULDN'T EITHER PURCHASE OR LEASE THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL CUTS. 
          UM, SO MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER COULD HELP US WITH A TOTAL ON HOW MUCH THAT WOULD CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, PAY BENEFITS, EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING. 
          BUT IF WE, IF WE CUT THAT WHOLE CREW OUT WITH, WITH EVERYTHING TIED TO IT. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, DOES HAVE STAFF AT THE BACK WHO ARE GATHERING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL GRAB THE TOTALS AND TALLY. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, I CAN SAY THAT FOR SURE. 
          UM, BUT THEY'LL NEED A MINUTE TO PULL THE POSITION, SEE WHAT THE VALUES ARE, PULL THE EQUIPMENT, SEE WHAT THE VALUES ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND BE ABLE TO REPORT THAT BACK. 
          AS I LOOKED THROUGH CLEAR GOV, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS BETWEEN THREE AND 400,000 FOR ALL OF IT, BUT IF YOU COULD CONFIRM THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          DO WE HAVE INFORMATION BASED ON THE CONVERSATION LAST MEETING IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE BUDGETED, HOW MUCH SIDEWALK, HOW MUCH DRAINAGE CAN FOUR PEOPLE DO IN A YEAR? CORONADO PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UH, TAKING SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK, UM, 
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WENT AHEAD AND, AND TOOK WHAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY CONTRACTED OUT FOR. 
          UH, I'M GONNA BREAK IT UP INTO TWO PARTS. 
          ONE SIDEWALKS AND ONE DRAINAGE. 
          UH, FIRST I'LL TAKE UP THE, THE SIDEWALK PART WHERE WE HAVE CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT HAVE, UM, A ROUGHLY ABOUT $150,000 WOULD, UM, BE ABOUT 1400 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S BID OUT AT, AT SQUARE FEET, I BROKE IT UP TO LINEAR FEET AT FIVE FOOT, YOU KNOW, WITH SIDEWALKS, UM, SIMILAR TO A, UH, CREW IN HOUSE. 
          WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE IS, AND I THINK THE MENTION WAS IT'S ABOUT 350,000 FOR THE FOUR CREW, INCLUDING BENEFITS. 
          SO TWO 50 PLUS THE BENEFITS ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THAT'S THE ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE HERE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, ALBERTA CAN, UM, KIND OF HONE IN ON THAT A LITTLE MORE DETAILS TOO. 
          BUT, UH, WITH MATERIALS, UM, A CREW COULD PROBABLY DO, UM, ABOUT 21,000 SQUARE FEET OR ABOUT 4,200 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          AND SO THAT'S JUST A KIND OF A GAUGE. 
          SO LESS THAN A MILE, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY THREE TIMES OF WHAT WE'RE CONTRACTED OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THAT COMBINED WITH THE MATERIALS IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 425,000. 
          SO MATERIALS PLUS THE CREW BENEFITS, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 425,000. 
          NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO USE THAT CREW TO DO JUST SIDEWALKS FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF FOOTAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST OVER, UM, 8,400 LINEAR FEET. 
          NOW WHAT I DID NEXT IS TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH TO DRAINAGE TO ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE THAT DRAINAGE WORK, UH, COULD BE. 
          AND MOST OF THAT WOULD BE IN THE OLD TOWN. 
          AND SOME PORTION OF THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF 79. 
          UM, AND INCLUDING SOME ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, CULVERTS WITH DRIVEWAYS, SOME SIDEWALKS TO THE HOMES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, UM, REVIEWED TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO, UH, REMOVE AND REPLACE THOSE CULVERTS. 
          UM, IF SAY A FOURTH OF THAT, OF THOSE CULVERTS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED, THERE'S ENOUGH WORK FOR A DRAINAGE CREW TO DO, UM, SAY ONE TO TWO CULVERTS A WEEK. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE, WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, UM, WHILE YOU'RE, UM, RELEVELING THAT DITCH AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WOULD BE IN SIX MONTHS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY REPLACE AROUND, UM, HOLD A SECOND, ABOUT 3000 LINEAR FEET OF CULVERT. 
          AND THERE'S ABOUT 20,000 LINEAR FEET OF, UH, DRAINAGE DITCHES IN THE OLD TOWN AREA. 
          UH, SO THAT'S ENOUGH WORK IN SIX MONTH PACES FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS WORTH OF WORK THAT YOU CAN, SAME APPROACH, YOU CAN JUST CONCENTRATE ON JUST THE DRAINAGE, UH, WITH THAT APPROACH AND GET THAT DOWN IN HALF THE TIME, UH, TO TACKLE THE OLD TOWN AREA. 
          SO THAT IF I'LL, I'LL PAUSE THERE. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT I TOOK TO, UH, TACKLE WITH A FOUR PERSON CREW, UH, WITH EQUIPMENT, OBVIOUSLY, UM, THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS COST, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED IS, YOU KNOW, THE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES WITH THE DRAINAGE INCLUDES AN A MINI EXCAVATOR AND I BELIEVE, UM, A DUMP TRUCK. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE DUMP TRUCK OBVIOUSLY USES, IS USED FOR MULTIPLE PURPOSES, NOT JUST FOR THE DRAINAGE. 
          RICK, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION FOR THIS CREW? SO I THINK THE REASON WHY I BROKE IT UP INTO, UM, SIX MONTH INCREMENTS IS TO, BECAUSE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS, YOU COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PIVOT FROM DOING ONE SET OF WORK TO THE OTHER SET OF WORK. 
          UH, SO THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE IN YEAR ONE, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO RAMP UP CREWS, UH, YOU HAVE TO GET THEM EQUIPPED, YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TRAINED. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAD A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF, OF, UH, ONBOARDING, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SIX MONTHS OF SIDEWALK WORK AND SIX MONTHS OF DRAINAGE WORK. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION OF THIS CREW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CURRENTLY TODAY WE 
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ARE DOING SIDEWALK REPAIR, JUST NOT AT THE SCALE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WITH A FOUR-MAN CREW, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THE, THE CURRENT PROGRAM IS THAT WE'RE CONTRACTING, UH, THAT SIDEWALK REPAIR AND WE ARE DOING SPOT REPAIRS IN, IN-HOUSE, MEANING SOMEBODY CALLS IN, UM, UM, ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE SIDEWALK AND NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. 
          THOSE ARE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 20 FEET OF SEVERAL PANELS OF REPAIR VERSUS WHAT THE PROGRAM FOR THE, FOR THE CONTRACTED SERVICES IS HUNDREDS OF FEET OF, OF REPAIRS. 
          SO IN A YEARS WE BUDGETED FOR ROUGHLY AROUND 1500 FEET OF REPAIRS CONTRACTED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          DID, WAS SOMEBODY LOOKING UP THE EQUIPMENT COST OF EQUIPMENT? IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DIDN'T, UM, STAND THIS CREW UP, HOW MUCH WOULD WE SAVE IN EQUIPMENT COST? I THINK THE, THE EQUIPMENT COSTS, UM, WERE BROKEN UP INTO, UH, OVER A FIVE. 
          IT WAS MORE LIKE A LEASE OR, UM, MULTI-YEAR PURCHASE. 
          I THINK IT WAS ONE FIFTH OF WHAT THE CAPITAL COSTS WOULD BE, UH, OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          SO THE TOTAL COST FOR THE EQUIPMENT, UM, SPECIFICALLY I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT WAS THE MINI EXCAVATOR IN THE DUMP TRUCK IS 79,000 9 0 1. 
          AND THEN THE PERSONNEL COST FOR THOSE FOUR POSITIONS IS 3 32, 812 AND 56 CENTS, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF $412,713 AND 56 CENTS. 
          SO THIS DIDN'T INCLUDE THE CRACK SEAL EQUIPMENT? NO, THAT'S SEPARATE, RIGHT? NO, NOT FOR THE DRAINAGE CREWS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, THEY NEED THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THIS JOB, CORRECT? THE MINI EXCAVATOR AND THE DUMP TRUCK? YEAH. 
          PART OF WE HAVE, WE HAVE OTHER ALTERNATIVE EQUIPMENT, BUT TO GET INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT'S KIND OF TIGHT FIT. 
          THAT'S WHAT PART OF THIS, UH, EQUIPMENT WAS FOR, WAS TO GET INTO THE TIGHT AREAS SUCH AS DOWNTOWN OR OLD TOWN. 
          WHAT IS THE, I GUESS, PURCHASE TIME ON GETTING A MINI EXCAVATOR IN A DUMP TRUCK? I MEAN, A MINI EXCAVATOR'S PROBABLY MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN A DUMP TRUCK. 
          I GUESS KIND OF ENLIGHTENED ME ON THE PROCESS OF, OF POTENTIALLY PURCHASING AND NOT LEADING TO A DELAY TO A DELAY IN, IN THEM DOING, STARTING THE JOB. 
          YEAH, I, THERE'S TWO ALTERNATIVES. 
          ONE WOULD BE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON WHAT THAT TIMEFRAME IS, BUT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS IF IT'S A LONGER LEAD TIME THAN RENTALS OF THAT EQUIPMENT WOULD BE THE OTHER OPTION. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE MORE IMMEDIATE TURNAROUND AND PURCHASING EQUIPMENT OF THIS SCALE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE GOVERNMENT PROCESS OF, OF HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT OUT THERE OR CORRECT. 
          LIKE GETTING, GETTING BIDS, RIGHT? OR HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK? I'M SORRY, I'M, I MAY UP CONFUSING SOMETHING TYPICAL. 
          UM, THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME TO YOU THROUGH SOME TORA TYPE OF COOPERATIVE BY BOARD, UM, AND SELECTING THAT EQUIPMENT, UM, THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD THAT I'VE COME TO YOU WITH, UH, HEAVY EQUIPMENT. 
          AND USUALLY THE PRO PROCUREMENT ON THAT IS LIKE, HOW LONG, I GUESS, HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE TYPICALLY? TYPICALLY? UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S, UM, A MONTH OR TWO AT MOST. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, THE LONGER LEAD TIMEFRAME IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ORDER IT, MANUFACTURE IT OR IF IT'S ALREADY, UM, IN THE LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS IS, I GUESS A CONCERN IS JUST LIKE THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS CREW. 
          UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING POTENTIALLY, UM, UH, NOT TAKING ON THESE FOUR CREW NEW, UH, FTES WITH THEIR EQUIPMENT, BUT I GUESS THAT, THAT DELAY FOR THEM TO GET STARTED. 
          UM, I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS. 
          UM, SO I GUESS MAYBE SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR N NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, WE CAN MAYBE, UH, POTENTIALLY GO FOR THE EQUIPMENT, UH, FIRST AT, AT A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME, HOWEVER, MAYBE THE CITY MANAGER FINDS BEST, UM, JUST TO, TO START TO WORK ON THAT PROCESS BEFORE WE HIRE THE FTE SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO WORK AS SOON AS THEY'RE HIRED. 
          UM, SO 
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I GUESS THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THE QUESTIONS IS 'CAUSE IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS, UM, BOUGHT AND, AND HIRED KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT HOW, HOW IT WOULD WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S SOME OPTIONS FOR, UM, DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR THEM TO USE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MY ONE CONCERN WITH HAVING, UH, THIS, THE FOUR FOUR MAN CREW, UM, FOR THIS NEXT BUDGET. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO VOICE THAT. 
          I'LL JUST ADD TOO, JUST SO TO CLARIFY THAT YES, THERE ARE OPTIONS ON, UM, THE TYPE OF, OR THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE LEASED OR PURCHASED IF THERE WAS A LAG BETWEEN, UM, MANUFACTURING AND RECEIVING IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO START USING THAT EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL AS THERE'S OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, DELAY ON WHEN TO ACTUALLY HIRE STAFF ON WHICH QUARTER THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HIRE THOSE AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE ARE DEFINITELY OPTIONS THAT WE'VE ALL EXERCISED. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          COUNSEL, I HAVE THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, THE TOTAL REDUCTION IN PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT FOR CUTTING THE, THE DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK CREW WOULD, WOULD NET A, WELL, I'LL NOT, SORRY, IT WOULD REDUCE THE BUDGET BY $412,713 AND 56 CENTS BETWEEN THE PERSONNEL AND THE EQUIPMENT. 
          CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? 4 1 2 7 1 3 AND 56 PENNIES. 
          HOWEVER, I REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND FUNDING FOR SIDEWALK REPAIRS FOR CONTRACT LABOR BY $150,000 TO HELP OFFSET THAT. 
          SO YOU, YOU MAY NEED TO CONSIDER IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD $150,000 BACK TO GO BACK TO HAVING THE LABOR FOR THE, FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK INSTEAD, UH, WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, I CAN GIVE YOU A NET NUMBER, BUT THAT WAS A REDUCTION THAT WE DID IN ORDER TO ADD IN THE SIDEWALK. 
          RICK, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KEEP TRACK. 
          YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 1400 LINEAR FEET IS HOW MUCH MONEY? IT'S ABOUT, UH, 150,000 FOR A CONTRACTOR TO DO 1400 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S 1400 LINEAR FEET, FIVE FOOT WIDE. 
          OH, FIVE FOOT WIDE. 
          AND WE HIRE A CREW, WE CAN DO 4,200 LINEAR FEET EVERY SIX MONTHS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE THAT I USED WAS TO DO SIX MONTHS WORTH OF, OF SIDEWALK WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THIS BUDGET, WITHOUT ME TRYING TO FIND THE PAGE, UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE? I THINK THERE'S LIKE A CIP FOR LAKESIDE OF STATES. 
          HOW MUCH MONEY'S IN SIDEWALKS FOR THERE? I WANNA SAY IT'S 2,000,050 OR SOMETHING. 
          OR AM I THINKING I'VE READ LIKE THREE YEARS OF BUDGETS IN A ROW, SO I'M GETTING MY NUMBERS MIXED UP. 
          YEAH, I'D HAVE TO GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. 
          UM, I'M NAVIGATING MY WAY THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE  LAKESIDE STATES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S A 2,027,000? THE NUMBER IS 2,000,020 7,000. 
          27,000 MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO 2,027,000. 
          SO KATE, IS THAT 2 MILLION NEXT YEAR OR IS THAT 2 MILLION TOTAL ACROSS THE FIVE YEAR CIP? THAT IS NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. 
          I, IT'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH TO ASK HOW MANY LINEAR FEET THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE US. 
          BUT IF I WAS ASSUMING, LET'S SEE, I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS HERE. 
          IF IT'S 150,000 FOR A CONTRACTOR TO DO 1400 LINEAR FEET, THEN WE'LL JUST SAY $2 MILLION DIVIDED BY 150,000, 13 TIMES 1400. 
          THAT SAME MONEY WOULD DO 18,666 LINEAR FEET WITH SIDEWALK. 
          AND SO THEN IF I TAKE THAT ASSUMPTION, I GO, OKAY, IF WE JUST SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, BECAUSE MY FEAR IS YOU HIRE FOUR PEOPLE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ARTICULATE THIS THE BEST, BUT EITHER WE RUN OUT OF MONEY. 
          THE, THE NEED IS OUTSTRIPS THE MONEY. 
          WE HAVE TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, IS WHAT I'M GONNA MAKE AN ASSUMPTION. 
          MEANING WE, WE CAN BUILD MORE SIDEWALKS THAN WE CAN PROBABLY STOMACH THE COST OF. 
          SO IF YOU HIRE FOUR 
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PEOPLE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS CAN FOUR PEOPLE MAKE AND, AND UM, I GUESS LIKE A MANUFACTURING, HOW MUCH CAN THEY PRODUCE? HOW MANY YEARS CAN THEY PRODUCE IT? 'CAUSE IF YOU THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON A JOB AND YOU SAY, WE WANNA DO ALL 18,000 LINEAR FEE, WELL HEY, LET'S HIRE EIGHT PEOPLE 'CAUSE WE CAN GET IT DONE TWICE AS FAST. 
          WELL THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE NEED 2 MILLION. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND WE KEEP NEEDING 2 MILLION. 
          IF WE SAY, OKAY, LOOK, LET'S DO THIS, HIRE FOUR PEOPLE AT $400,000 AND I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD STILL BE CIP, RIGHT? IF THEY, IF THEY DO COST TO CIP PROJECTS, IT GETS CHART SHARE, WELL THEN YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THIS YEAR THAT INSTEAD OF HIRING 2 MILLION IN WORK TO BE DONE, YOU SAY, OKAY, AND INSTEAD OF DOING 18,666 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK, WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO 8,400 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK AND AT 8,400 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK, DOES THAT COST COME OUT CHEAPER BY OUR OWN PEOPLE DOING IT ON A STEADY PACE WHERE EACH YEAR YOU CAN JUST BUDGET, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. 
          AND OCCASIONALLY THEY DO SOME OF OUR, UM, THEY DO SOME OF OUR MAINTENANCE ALSO. 
          SO IT'S NOT ALL CIP, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING MORE FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO HIRE FOUR PEOPLE, BUY EQUIPMENT AND THEN GO PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO GO BUILD TWO MAINTENANCE SIDEWALKS. 
          I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT, THEN THEY BUILD SIDEWALKS. 
          AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE DO IT OUTSOURCED. 
          BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONFUSED WHY WE HAVE, I WOULD THINK BUILDING THE SIDEWALKS, BUILDING THE SIDEWALK. 
          NOW OBVIOUSLY THE ONES IN LAKE SIDE OF STATES INCLUDE, UM, TEARING UP DRIVEWAYS AND REGRADING AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE EXTENSIVE. 
          BUT KIND OF THE SAME THING I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM DO IT, MAYBE WE DON'T KNOCK OUT $2 MILLION A YEAR IN LAKESIDE STATES. 
          MAYBE IT'S A MILLION A YEAR. 
          THESE PEOPLE GET ONBOARDED THE EQUIPMENT CIP EQUIPMENT, THE LABOR CIP, AND THEN AS OUR CITY GROWS, WE CAN STILL BUDGET 50 GRAND OR A HUNDRED GRAND IN MAINTENANCE AND THEN THEY CAN PEEL OFF, YOU KNOW, A WEEK A MONTH AND WORK ON THOSE PROJECTS. 
          AND I KNOW FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY HATE THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE WEEK THAT'S COMING OUTTA GENERAL REVENUE. 
          YOU'VE GOT THREE WEEKS COMING OUT OF A CIP. 
          BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO FIGURE OUT. 
          SO I GUESS I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE TO WHERE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO CUT PEOPLE. 
          IT'S JUST MAYBE WE CUT CONTRACTED SERVICES AND YOU GUYS ARE SMARTER THAN ME UP HERE. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE A COLLEGE EDUCATION, SO I GET ABOVE 2 MILLION. 
          I START, I START REALLY QUESTIONING THINGS. 
          BUT CAN YOU BUILD THEM INTERNALLY CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN OUTSOURCE 'EM? AND CAN YOU DO IT THIS WAY, SLOW DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME OF OTHER THINGS AND HAVE THEM HAVE CONSISTENT WORK FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS VERSUS RUNNING OUTTA WORK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE STAFF AND THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THEM. 
          BUT DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. 
          UH, I'LL JUST ADD, UM, JUST TALKING TO UM, MANY OF THE PUBLIC WORKS SURROUNDING AREAS THAT IS TYPICAL TO HAVE A CONCRETE CREW, UH, THAT HANDLES A LOT OF THE CONSISTENT BASIS OF SIDEWALKS, UH, CURBS, GUTTERS, APPROACHES, UM, ON ON ONGOING BASIS THAT THAT IS TYPICAL. 
          UM, AND LIKE YOU SAID THERE, THERE'S ENOUGH WORK THAT WILL TAKE YOU, YOU KNOW, DECADES TO COMPLETE. 
          BUT IT'S JUST TO MANAGE THAT GROWTH AND CONTINUED DETERIORATION OF SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE GAPS. 
          WE DO HAVE GAPS IN SIDEWALKS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACT SERVICES TO COVER, YOU KNOW, JUST A SHORT GAP THAT CAN BE DONE WITH IN-HOUSE CREWS. 
          SO THERE IS SOME VALUE IN HAVING IN-HOUSE CREWS TO BE CONSISTENTLY, UM, DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK. 
          UH, I ONLY APPROACHED IT IN A WAY WHERE THIS WAS A SPLIT CREW DOING HALF THE YEAR, UH, SIDEWALKS AND HALF THE YEAR DRAINAGE. 
          THAT'S NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'M EVEN THINKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIFE CYCLE OF A SIDEWALK IS COMPARED TO. 
          MY GUESS IS IT WOULD DEPEND A LOT ON HOW THE SUB BASE WAS AND HOW IT WAS INSTALLED IN THE SPEC, BUT, WELL, MATT JUST HAS REDESIGNED IT SO IT SHOULD BE FOREVER . 
          RIGHT? BUT IT'S THE PREVIOUS SIDEWALKS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          BUT, SO I KNOW THERE'S WORK AND, AND I, I WOULD APPRECIATE, I I DO LIKE HOW YOU'VE GOT IT SPLIT UP, AT LEAST FROM A MATH STANDPOINT, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT QUICKER TO WHERE IF YOU HAVE A PERSON, WHATEVER RAINY SEASON THEY'RE DOING SIDEWALKS DRY SEASON, THEY'RE DOING DRAINAGE DITCHES AND YOU KEEP 'EM BUSY AND THEN YOU GO A YEAR OR TWO AND YOU SAY, OKAY, I THINK WE CAN ADD ON LIKE A SECOND CREW OR HEY, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOSING THE LIFE LIFECYCLE OF OUR SIDEWALKS FASTER THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN I THINK IT'S A BIGGER ANALYSIS. 
          I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE SPEND, I LIKE THAT WE KEEP DOING WORK IN LAKESIDE OF STATES. 
          UM, WHEN WE FIRST 
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DID THAT PLAN, I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF KNOCKING IT OUT IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. 
          I WAS IN FAVOR OF A 10 YEAR PLAN, A CONSISTENT DEAL. 
          BUT EVENTUALLY I DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW A WAY TO, UH, A WAY TO EVALUATE OUR SIDEWALKS TO WHERE WE'RE JUST NOT GOING IN. 
          LIKE I THINK WE PICKED, I FORGOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          IT FELT LIKE WHEN WE PARK, WHAT'S THAT HU PARK? YEAH, IT FELT LIKE WE JUST PICKED IT AND I WAS LIKE, WELL AT THAT TIME I SAID, WELL WHY DID WE PICK THAT ONE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UM, WHATEVER OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT C OUT. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF PROCESS, I THINK WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD BE MOST EXCITED ABOUT IS IF LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAD A FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          WE SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO YEARS FROM NOW. 
          THEN I THINK PEOPLE ARE LIKE, LOOK, I CAN LIVE WITH IT FOR TWO YEARS. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. 
          I THINK WHERE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED IS THEY'VE LIVED HERE FOR FIVE, I'VE BEEN UP HERE FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO BUILD SIDEWALKS AFTER FIVE YEARS. 
          SO I THINK IF THE COUNCIL COMES UP WITH A PLAN WITH YOU ALL AND IT'S A CONSISTENT THING, PEOPLE ARE MORE PATIENT KNOWING PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, THEN THEY ARE. 
          UM, WHAT'S THAT OLD ADAGE? IF YOU GOT LIKE A, IF IT TAKES ONE PERSON TO DO A JOB IN AN HOUR, YOU CAN'T THROW 60 PEOPLE IN THERE AND HAVE 'EM DO IT IN A MINUTE. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN REBUILD THE WHOLE CITY IN A COUPLE YEARS, WHICH IS I THINK KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          WE JUST NEED A PLAN THAT'S STEADY, WE GET AHEAD. 
          I DON'T WANT US TO UNDERFUND OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE TO WHERE WE END UP, YOU KNOW, FALLING BEHIND ON THAT. 
          BUT, SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THAT OUT THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR GUYS' MATH TELLS YOU, BUT OH WAIT, ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          HOW MANY DUMP TRUCKS DO WE HAVE? I HAVE MY LIST HERE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE JUST BOUGHT ONE LAST YEAR, RIGHT? WE ARE WAITING FOR ONE THAT'S A NON CDL, UM, THAT WE ORDERED LAST YEAR. 
          SO, SO WE ORDERED ONE LAST YEAR AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT, SUPPLY CHAIN WITH THIS ONE HAS TAKEN SOME TIME AND SO WE ANTICIPATE TO HAVE IT IN NEXT MONTH. 
          BUT IT IS A NON CDLA SMALLER UNIT. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL OF DUMP TRUCKS THAT I'VE HAD ON SIDE BETWEEN UTILITIES AND UH, STREETS IS ROUGHLY AROUND FOUR. 
          AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION THAT'S COMING SOON AND WE'VE GOT LIKE 49,000 SOME CHANGE FOR SOMETHING FOR A DUMP TRUCK THIS YEAR TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE REQUEST IS A LARGER NON OR CDL UH, DUMP TRUCK THAT WAS LAST YEAR WAS LIKE 116,000, WASN'T IT? CORRECT. 
          IT WAS UH, JUST OVER 116,000 FOR THE, THE SMALLER SIZE UH, DUMP TRUCK. 
          AND THAT'S FOR THE NON CDL ONE, NON CDL ONE. 
          AND THE CDL ONE IS ONLY 49,000. 
          WELL THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN UP INTO FIVE YEAR. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          SO IT'S, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A LEASE PAYMENT. 
          YEAH, LEASE PAYMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR A DUMP TRUCK, WHY WOULD WE LEASE ONE? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DRIVE UNTIL THE LITERALLY THE WHEELS FELL OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, UH, MAYOR FOR THE RECORD, JAMES URBAN CITY MANAGER, IT'S ACTUALLY A LEASE PURCHASE, WHICH IS A WAY CITIES ARE ABLE TO BUY EQUIPMENT AND MAKE PAYMENTS ON IT LIKE A CAR PAYMENT. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE, THE REASON IT'S A LEASE IS BECAUSE EACH YEAR THE COUNCIL COULD ELECT NOT TO FUND THE LEASE BY NOT APPROVING THE BUDGET. 
          SO THE LEASE IS A MECHANISM THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IT, BUT AT THE END OF THE PAYMENT PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, YOU OWN THE VEHICLE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A CAR PAYMENT BASICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LAST YEAR WAS A NON CDL THIS YEAR AS A CDL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF YOU BOUGHT ONE IN CASH AS A, LIKE, I GUESS IF YOU CAN BUY A NON CDL FOR ONE 16 AND A CDL COSTS US A QUARTER MILLION, IS IT BIGGER? HOW MUCH BIGGER IS IT REALLY NEEDED? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CDL AND NON CDL AND DO YOU JUST BUY IT IN CASH? LIKE IF YOU SAID IT'S 150 GRAND TO BUY IT IN CASH, IS THAT BETTER THAN PAYING 50,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK HOW MUCH IT WAS. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE YEAR PAYMENT AND WHAT WAS THE QUOTED PART OF? I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF MAYBE 20, 30,000. 
          SO IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE TRUCK. 
          YEAH, IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE TRUCK. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE LEASE PURCHASE USUALLY BUILDS IN LIKE WHAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO LIKE AN INTEREST RATE PAYMENT. 
          SO, BUT FOR CITIES IT'S LESS. 
          SO IT'S USUALLY LIKE FIVE OR 6% IS USUALLY WHAT YOUR MONEY WOULD BE. 
          NOW WITH TODAY'S RATES, THAT'S USUALLY HOW THOSE WORK. 
          SO THE BANKS ARE BASICALLY FINANCING IT. 
          AND SO THE DIFFERENCE, THE DELTA IS IN THE FINANCING COST. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL THE CASH UP FRONT. 
          SO IS ANYONE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE, TO THAT RECOMMENDATION? WHAT I RECOMMENDED, I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR MAYOR, WERE YOU OKAY WITH THIS OR WERE YOU, WERE YOU NOT? I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR. 
          WHAT WITH YOUR COMMENT, 
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I'M JUST THROWING OUT, I MEAN IF WE CUT OUT, WE CUT OUT $400,000 OUTTA GENERAL REVENUE. 
          'CAUSE I ASSUME THAT 400 IS THAT JR REVENUE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? BUT WE BUDGET 2 MILLION FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BUILD SIDEWALKS. 
          THEN I GUESS ARE WE BUILDING SIDEWALKS CHEAPER THAN THEY ARE? YOU WILL EVENTUALLY NOT YOUR FIRST YEAR WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR STARTUP COSTS. 
          I, YEAH, I GET THAT FOR THE EQUIPMENT. 
          BUT YOU GOT $333,000 IN LABOR PLUS WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BUILD THE SIDEWALKS. 
          I GUESS YOU ALL HAVE THE NUMBERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF THEY CAN BUILD A, IF A CONTRACTOR CAN BUILD 1400 LINEAR FEET IN FOR 150 GRAND, WHAT'S THE COST FOR US TO DO IT? IF WE'RE MORE EXPENSIVE THEN I'M COMPLETELY OKAY WITH TAKING IT OUT. 
          IF SOMEHOW WE'RE CHEAPER, WHICH NORMALLY I WOULD SAY THE GOVERNMENT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK OUR BIDS ARE CRAZY HIGH, THEN I WOULD SAY, WELL THEN WHY NOT HIRE PEOPLE? THEY WOULD ALL GET CHARGED THE CIP AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE STATE OR THE GOVERNMENT WOULD LOOK AT EQUIPMENT BOUGHT FOR CIP THAT'S SOMETIMES USED FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          WELL, BUT YOU STILL GOT 2 MILLION IN SIDEWALKS BEING DONE THIS YEAR. 
          YEAH, MAYOR GENERALLY I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE BOND MONEY TO PAY FOR EQUIPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A 30 YEAR LIFECYCLE. 
          SO YOU WOULD GENERALLY, IF IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE FUNDING SOURCES TO THE GEO BOND FOR THE MATERIALS, I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. 
          YOU CAN USE THE GEO BOND FOR MATERIALS, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN USE GEO BOND FOR, FOR LABOR OR PERSONNEL COSTS. 
          I'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR A RULING ON THAT FROM ALBERTA JUST TO BE SURE. 
          BUT UM, AND YOU WOULD BUY EQUIPMENT ON A 30 YEAR BOND, YOU WOULD NOT. 
          BUT WHY IS THAT? WELL, BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT WEARS OUT IN SEVEN YEARS AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT FOR 30. 
          SO THAT'S USUALLY NOT A GOOD, PLEASE, I CAN'T HEAR WHAT HE'S SAYING IF YOU'RE TALKING TO ME. 
          SORRY. 
          SO THAT'S USUALLY NOT A GOOD FINANCIAL DECISION BECAUSE THE, THE DEPRECIATION OF THE ASSET THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR INTEREST ON FOR 30 YEARS IS, IS USED UP IN SEVEN, EIGHT, OR NINE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T LAST FOR THE FULL 30 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IF I WAS PLUS MINUS IN ACCOUNTING WORK. 
          BUT IF WE, SINCE WE'RE ALWAYS RUNNING THAT DEFICIT, WE ALWAYS BORROW MONEY EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? AS A CITY WHERE, I MEAN WE BORROW MONEY. 
          UH, YOU BORROW MONEY FOR YOUR CIP PROJECTS. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE BORROWING MONEY, LET'S SAY WE, LET'S SAY WE BOUGHT IT WITH CIP MONEY AND THEN PAID FOR SOME CASH ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, MONEY IS MONEY, RIGHT? SO WHETHER YOU, YOU COULD SAY, WELL I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THE EQUIPMENT FOR 30 YEARS, SO I'LL PAY CASH FOR THAT, BUT I'M GONNA GO BORROW MONEY OVER HERE FOR THIS. 
          I COULD ALSO BUY THE EQUIPMENT FOR 30 YEARS AND USE IT OVER HERE AND THEN PAY CASH FOR CONCRETE REPAIR OR, OR LIKE A CONCRETE UH, ROAD EXTENSION. 
          TO ME IT'S ALL THE SAME. 
          IF YOU BORROW LESS, YOU HAVE LESS DEBT SERVICE, YOU BORROW MORE HOW YOU GUYS ACCOUNT FOR IT. 
          I MEAN IF, IF YOU'RE GETTING RID OF A DUMP TRUCK AFTER SEVEN YEARS BECAUSE IT'S DEPRECIATED, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF MONEY. 
          IT MAY ACCOUNTING WISE BE WORTHLESS, BUT IN REALITY IT'LL LAST ANOTHER 10 OR 15 YEARS. 
          UH, IT MAY, BUT ARGUABLY IT'S NOT GONNA LAST THE FULL 25 YEARS OF THE DEBT SERVICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING IN TERMS OF I DO GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THOUGH, THAT THEN YOU'VE GOT DEBT SERVICE THAT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY ASSETS THAT EXIST, WHICH IS HOW YOU GET INTO COLLAPSE OF A FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT. 
          SEE WHEN YOU BUY LAND OR YOU BUILD A BUILDING THAT HAS LIKE A 50 YEAR LIFE, YES YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON IT, BUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE BUILDING IS STILL INTRINSIC BACKED BY THAT BOND. 
          IF YOU BUY STUFF THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LASTING VALUE, YOU'VE NOW UNDERVALUED THE BOND FOR THE ASSET THAT IT'S TIED TO IT. 
          IT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY YOU DON'T DO THAT IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          THERE ARE FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE TYPICALLY PAIRED FOR EQUIPMENT PURCHASES. 
          THEY'RE WHAT'S CALLED TAX NOTES AND THOSE ARE LA COS BUT THEY'RE SHORT TERM, THEY'RE SEVEN YEARS, NO MORE THAN 10. 
          THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU SEE PAIRED WITH THE PURCHASE OF A VEHICLE OR A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS A LIFECYCLE THAT IS NOT AS LONG AS A 25 YEAR GO BOND. 
          SURE. 
          NO, NO, I HEAR YOU. 
          IT'D BE NICE IF WE DIDN'T BORROW ANY MONEY. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE NEED SOME NUMBERS IN A WAY FOR ME TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, TO KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST DEAL HERE, GET A CREW AND NOT HAVE A CONTRACTOR OR A GO CONTRACTOR. 
          BUT THE, THE INTENTION WAS NEVER TO HAVE THIS CREW GO BUILD LIKE THE SIDEWALKS IN LAKESIDE OF STATES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT. 
          BUT THERE THAT CAPABILITY IS THERE IF YOU BUILD A CREW THAT IS SUSTAINED TO DO CONCRETE WORK. 
          NOW TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION IS, WHICH ONE'S CHEAPER? THE WAY I CALCULATE IS THAT IF THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN SIX MONTHS WORTH OF WORK, THEN IT STARTS TO BECOME 
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MORE ECONOMICAL TO HAVE THE IN-HOUSE CREWS, IF YOU'RE DOING LESS THAN 21,000 UH, SQUARE FEET OR 4,200 LINEAR FEET, THEN THE CONTRACT THAT SERVICES IS THE WAY TO GO. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS THE CALCULATION THAT I USED TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE DISTINCTIONS I GUESS HOW MUCH OH MINUTE STATES, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR REPAIRS THIS YEAR? UH, FOR THE SIDEWALK I BELIEVE IS 150,000. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, SO IT WAS, IT WAS REDUCED, UH, FROM MY, I BELIEVE THREE SOMETHING, 350,000 TO 150,000 IN TO OFFSET THE, UM, THE CREW. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE BUDGET 150 GRAND FOR SIDEWALKS AND HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE BUDGET FOR DRAINAGE? WAS THAT LIKE ONE POINT SOMETHING MILLION? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE BUDGET FOR SIDEWALK REPAIR WOULD KEEP AC CREW BUSY FOR IF THEY JUST DID SIDEWALKS, IT'D KEEP 'EM BUSY FOR LIKE TWO MONTHS. 
          AND SO IF THEY WERE JUST BUILDING SIDEWALKS AND THEY MADE PAID IT COST THE SAME AMOUNT AS A CONTRACTOR, YOU'D HAVE TWO MONTHS WORTH OF WORK WITH OUR CURRENT BUDGET. 
          SO NOW IF THEY COULD MAKE IT UP WITH DRAINAGE, I GUESS THEN THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRAINAGE MONEY BUDGETED, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A CREW THAT MAY NOT WORK FOR THREE MONTHS. 
          THE, THE DRAINAGE UH, ACCOUNT ALSO HAS, I BELIEVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR MATERIALS AS WELL. 
          SO WE HAVE $250,000 BUDGETED FOR DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND YOU GUYS WENT TO HIRE A CREW, SO THAT WOULD GIVE YOU 1400 SQUARE FEET OF SIDEWALK AND I'M SURE LESS THAN THAT ON DRAINAGE. 
          SO YEAH, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO KEEP FOUR GUYS BUSY. 
          WELL ARGUABLY THE, THE DRAINAGE DOESN'T COST AS MUCH BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GENERALLY EXCAVATING AND HAULING DIRT AWAY. 
          SO THE COST AND THE DRAINAGE IS MOSTLY ON WHEN YOU'RE BUYING NEW CULVERTS OR WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO REPLACE A DRIVEWAY. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE HAVING THE DRAINAGE CREW BUILD, UH, ENCLOSED STORM DRAINS WITH CONCRETE PIPE AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          UM, WHEN YOU DO GET TO THAT POINT, IT BECOMES VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          BUT WHENEVER YOU'RE JUST REGRADING DIRT WHERE WATER DRAINS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO AND UNCLOGGING CULVERTS AND REPAIRING CULVERTS, THE COST IS MOSTLY YOUR LABOR AND YOUR EQUIPMENT NOT MATERIAL. 
          AND THIS CREW WASN'T, I MEAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DIDN'T THINK THIS CREW WAS SLATED TO GO AND DO LIKE ALL THE MAJOR REPAIRS THAT WERE NEEDED IN LEGENDS HU NO. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE CONTRACTED OUT. 
          CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THAT THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN FOR, SO THIS WAS JUST GONNA LIKE CLEANING OUT THE CULVERTS IN OLD TOWN, KIND OF KEEPING THOSE FLOWING RIGHT. 
          REPAIRING SOME SIDEWALKS HERE AND THERE AS THEY NEED REPAIRS. 
          BUT THE, THE MAJOR SIDEWALK PROJECTS OF NEW SIDEWALKS AND THEN THE NEW DRAINAGE THAT'S NEEDED IN LEGENDS IS ALL CIP IT'S ALL CONTRACTED, IT'S ALL SEPARATE. 
          IT'S NOT THIS CREW IN ADDITION TO THIS CREW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, 12 PONDS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND INSPECT AND MAINTAIN AS WELL. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT, THAT SCOPE AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT MORE MAINTENANCE. 
          MORE MAINTENANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT IS THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT YOU HAVE BUDGETED FOR DRAINAGE? WHAT'S THAT GONNA GET US? IT IT'S MAINLY FOR MATERIALS. 
          SO MATERIALS AND CULVERTS AND, UH, CONCRETE WORK. 
          UM, ANY, IF YOU HAD TO HAVE ANY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT RENTALS, IT'S JUST THAT'S THE, THE BUDGET FOR DRAINAGE WORK WITH THIS CREW. 
          UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA REMOVE ALL THE MATERIALS BUDGET, UH, WE NEED SOMETHING TO PULL FROM. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A BUFFER. 
          YEAH, WELL IT'S, IT'S WHERE THE MATERIALS COSTS ARE GONNA COME, COME FROM BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE MAY HAVE A FAILURE DURING THE YEAR AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THIS, THIS YEAR ALONE. 
          WE HAD SEVERAL SEGMENTS OF STORM DRAIN PIPE THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE AND THAT WASN'T ANTICIPATED, BUT IT'S, IT WAS THERE TO PULL FROM THE DRAINAGE ACCOUNT AS WELL. 
          SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PLAN FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR DO YOU JUST PLAN TO GO TO WORK UNTIL YOU BUY A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN SUPPLIES AND THEN YOU QUIT? SO THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC PLANS, BUT MOST OF IT IS TO HAVE THE ALLOWANCE FOR MATERIALS TO PULL FROM, TO CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHETHER IT'S SIX MONTHS OR A FULL YEAR. 
          JUST DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE. 
          UH, IF, IF, IF THE PRIORITY FROM COUNCIL IS THAT THEY DO, UH, DRAINAGE, THEN I CAN EXTEND THEM TO DO A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF WORK, EXCEPT THAT THERE'LL BE WEATHER TYPE OF DELAYS THAT WE 
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NEED TO PIVOT TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, AS THE BUDGET'S PRESENTED, HERE'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. 
          WE SAID WE WANNA HIRE FOUR PEOPLE AND WE'RE GONNA DO A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THIS 150,000 IN THIS. 
          AND IF YOU GUYS HAD TO WRITE DOWN WHAT SIDEWALKS AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING, MY GUESS IS YOU DON'T HAVE THAT QUITE FIGURED OUT YET. 
          YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO DO WORK UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF BUDGET MONEY. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT, MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, TO WHERE WHEN YOU HAVE A PLAN, YOU CAN COME UP AND GO, WE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WE'RE KNOCKING OUT THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE. 
          WE'RE SAVING 20 GRAND FOR UNEXPECTED EVENTS THAT HAPPEN. 
          AND THEN WE CAN TELL EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA BUMP YOUR TAXES A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          IF WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO DO IT UNTIL WE RUN OUT OF BUDGET MONEY. 
          THAT'S WHERE I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO NOT WANT TO. 
          SO LEMME CLARIFY ON ON THE DRAINAGE. 
          WE HAVE PRIORITIZED THE OLD TOWN LOCATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE WORK IS. 
          UM, SO WHAT STREETS ARE YOU GONNA DO IN OLD TOWN? SO IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE PAVED AREAS, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE, WE WOULD PIGGYBACK OFF OF IS ANY AREAS THAT ARE BEING RE UM, ASPHALT, UM, MILL AND OVERLAY WOULD BE THE SAME LOCATIONS BECAUSE PART OF THE UM, PCI SCORES ON SOME OF THE OLD TOWN INCLUDES MILL AND OVERLAY. 
          AND SO WE WOULD USE THOSE AS PRIORITY LOCATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY DOING WORK IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, AND THEN TO USE THAT AS THE PRIORITY LOCATIONS FOR, UH, OLD TOWN. 
          AS FAR AS THE, THE SIDEWALKS, WE HAVE ALREADY A, UM, A LOCATION THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL WORK, WE CAN CONTINUE ON THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          BUT TO YOUR POINT IS WE HAVEN'T MAPPED EVERY SINGLE AREA THAT NEEDS, UH, SIDEWALKS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK TOWARDS. 
          BUT WE HAVE AREAS IN HU PARK THAT, UM, THAT WE NE DID NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK I'M SAYING IT RIGHT. 
          UH, LIKE CAN I TRY? SURE. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE'S ASKING RICK IS THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL THAT IS BUDGETED WITH THIS CREW, IS IT ENOUGH TO KEEP THEM BUSY FOR THE FULL YEAR? BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA MATERIAL IN FOUR MONTHS AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT MONTHS OF NOTHING OF, OF, NO OF NO, UM, MATERIAL FUND TO PAY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE OR SIDEWALK REPAIR. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE A CREW SITTING IDLE, NOT DOING DRAINAGE OR SIDEWALK. 
          AND, AND TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, NOT TELL ANYBODY HOW TO DO THEIR JOB. 
          I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU HOW I WOULD DO IT. 
          I'D COME OUT AND I'D SAY, HU STREET IS 2000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE HAVE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM AMOUNT OF PIPE WE HAVE TO REPLACE. 
          WE'RE GONNA DIG THIS OUT. 
          THAT ROAD'S ESTIMATED 10 GRAND. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH SIDES. 
          I'M NOW GONNA GO DO METCALF. 
          AND WHEN I ADD IT ALL UP, I GO, OKAY, TO DO WHAT WE PLAN TO DO AN OLD TOWN THAT'S GONNA COST $175,000. 
          WE HAVE 250 BUDGETED AND WE'RE GONNA KNOCK OUT OLD TOWN. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA GO DO WORK BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY IN THE AREA. 
          WHICH MEANS WHEN I GO TO TELL THE PUBLIC I'D LIKE TO RAISE YOUR TAXES, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT? I'M GONNA DO DRAINAGE WORK IN OLD TOWN. 
          ARE YOU GONNA DO MY ROAD? YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT WE'RE GONNA START. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING MORE. 
          'CAUSE ANYBODY THAT RUNS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, YOU GO, OKAY, I'M GONNA SPEND 10 GRAND ON IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS HOUSE. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WELL, I'M GONNA PUT NEW GUTTERS ON A HOUSE THAT'S 2,500. 
          YOU DON'T JUST BUDGET THE MONEY AND THEN AS A YEAR JUST START SPENDING MONEY. 
          AND THEN YOU GO, OKAY, WELL I'M OUT. 
          NOT SAYING YOU GUYS ARE NECESSARILY DOING THAT, BUT THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL I'M ALWAYS HOPING WE GET TO, TO WHERE WE CAN GO TO PEOPLE. 
          AND I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DON'T MIND RAISING TAXES AS LONG AS I CAN SHOW EVERYBODY WHERE EVERY PENNY GOES, AND THEN THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION TO GO MY ROAD'S GETTING REPAVED SOMEWHERE IN SPRING OF 25 BECAUSE IT'S ON A LIST INSTEAD OF I PASS IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GETTING DONE. 
          WE JUST BUDGETED 2 MILLION NEXT YEAR. 
          SO, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, UM, WE HAVE, UH, PECAN TAYLOR AND EAST THAT ARE PART OF THE MILL AND OVERLAY, THERE ARE ABOUT 1500, YOU KNOW, LINEAR FEET FOR THOSE, UH, SEGMENTS. 
          AND ALTOGETHER THOSE FOUR ADD UP TO ABOUT 4,500 LINEAR FEET, THAT WAS THE INTENT WAS SIX MONTHS OF WORK ON THE DRAINAGE AND SIX MONTHS OF WORK ON THE SIDEWALKS. 
          THE SIDEWALKS WERE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR 150 FOR A CONTRACT TO, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH AT LEAST 21,000 TO COMPLETE THE HUDDLE PARK 
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AREAS. 
          UM, 21,000 LINEAR FEET IF IT'S SIX MONTHS OF SIDEWALK WORK. 
          SO THE INTENT WAS THEY WOULD SPLIT A YEAR, 600 DRAINAGE AND SIX ON SIDEWALKS, SIX MONTHS ON EACH AND CLEAN THE, UH, DETENTION PONDS AND DETENTION PONDS, WHICH TYPICALLY IS MAINLY, THAT'S TREE REMOVALS AND, AND INSPECTION. 
          BUT, UH, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED ALL THE INSPECTIONS. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT'S DEVELOPED OFF OF THOSE, UM, PONDS AS WELL FOR FUTURE, UH, WORK. 
          UH, BUT THE MATERIAL TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS THE BUDGET WOULD COVER THE MATERIALS FOR SIX MONTHS OF WORK ON BOTH THOSE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURES. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          SO A FULL YEAR OF WORK, SIX MONTHS OF DRAINAGE WORK AND SIX MONTHS OF SIDEWALK WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, HAVE THAT WORK FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. 
          SO IF A CONTRACTOR DID 4,200 LINEAR FEET, IT'D COST YOU $450,000. 
          BUT IF YOU GUYS DO IT, YOU CAN DO IT FOR 150. 
          THE CONTRACTOR DID IT FOR FOUR, UH, 1400 LITER, UH, 150,000 WITH OUR SALARIES. 
          AND, UM, WE WOULD DO 4,200 WAS THE PLAN OF SIDEWALKS OVER SIX MONTHS AT A PACE OF, UM, ABOUT 150 PER WEEK. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, HOW MUCH IT, HOW MUCH, UH, FOOTAGE THAT WE COULD REPLACE IN A WEEK. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACTOR COULD DO THE SAME, SAME JOB FOR 450,000. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE BREAKEVEN POINT CAME IN. 
          THE SAY IS IN SIX MONTHS, THAT WOULD BE A BREAKEVEN POINT. 
          IF WE DO MORE WORK, THEN, THEN IT BECOMES MORE ECONOMICAL FOR US TO DO IT IN-HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE HAVING 'EM DO FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          YOU HIT THAT BREAKEVEN POINT. 
          AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE GETTING SIX MONTHS OF DRAINAGE WORK. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE BEING EFFICIENT WITH GOVERNMENT BY USING THE PEOPLE TO DO DUAL ROLES INSTEAD OF HAVING A DRAINAGE CREW AND A SIDEWALK CREW COMPLETELY SEPARATE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO DOUBLE DUTY, AND THE KEY IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH A CONCRETE WORK CREW BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE DRAINAGE AREAS. 
          AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY HARD SKILL SET TO KIND OF HELP, YOU KNOW, HAVE FORMED UP. 
          SO, MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, I HAVE AN ANSWER BACK FROM ALBERTA. 
          SHE SAID THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HIRE PEOPLE WITH GEO DOLLARS, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO LONG AS YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE SALARIES APPROPRIATELY, AND ALL OF THEIR SALARY CHARGES ARE FOR APPROVED PROJECTS IN THE BOND THAT SHE THINKS THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE. 
          BUT SHE WOULD ASK, UH, OUR BOND COUNSEL TO GET A A A FOR SURE. 
          A THUMBS UP ON THAT RULING. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, I THINK EARLIER YOU COULD PAY FOR THE PERSONNEL AND THE EQUIPMENT AND THE MATERIAL ALL FROM THE BOND FUNDS THAT ARE BUDGETED. 
          BUT WE WOULD SLOW DOWN HOW FAST WE WERE DELIVERING THAT WORK SLOW DOWN BECAUSE, WELL, THE CONTRACTOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE WOULD BE USING IN LAKESIDE IS GOING TO, IS GOING TO WORK ALL YEAR LONG AND IS GOING TO GET, OH, OKAY. 
          ALL, ALL THE SIDEWALK BUILT. 
          SO NOW, NOW OUR CREW WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT, THAT VOLUME AT THAT FAST, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY BUILD 8,400 LINEAR FEET AND A CONTRACTOR'S GONNA BUILD 1600. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RICK, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST IS, UM, I'M, I'M JUST LISTENING HONESTLY. 
          I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO GIVE CONTEXT TO. 
          UM, THE PROBLEM IS IF WE SIT HERE NEXT YEAR AND YOU DON'T DO WHAT YOU SAY, BE PREPARED FOR THAT. 
          UM, IF YOU, IF I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST PART. 
          IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU COME BACK HERE NEXT YEAR AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE, YOUR CREW HAS NOT DONE MM-HMM. 
          YOUR, THE CREW, LET'S SAY WE APPROVE THE CREW AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE WHAT THEY, WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE OR AGREE, I'M SAYING THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SAID THOUGH. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T TRUST, UM, PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. 
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SO MOST OF THIS WORK WILL BE LIKE, THIS CREW, THIS CREW WILL BE LIKE HEAVILY DEDICATED TO OLD TOWN, WHETHER IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 79 OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79. 
          I, I GUESS I KINDA GET THAT IMPRESSION THAT MAYBE THE, THE DRAINAGE IS MORE OF A CONCERN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 79, I GUESS. 
          SO THEIR, THEIR FOCUS IS REALLY GONNA JUST BE MAINTAINING AND GIVING SOME LOVE TO OLD TOWN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? WELL, JUST TO KIND OF, UM, GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE MAINLY THE DRAINAGE DITCHES LIE IS GONNA BE OLD TOWN AS NEW SYSTEMS ARE BUILT, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE STORM DRAINS. 
          UM, NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T DITCHES ELSEWHERE, BUT THE FOCUS IS GONNA BE IN THE AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED OVER A WHILE. 
          SO, OF COURSE, SO LET'S SAY THERE'S LIKE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION ON LIKE A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN, THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TAKEN THERE RIGHT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A DAY. 
          THE INTENT IS, IS THEY ARE FOCUSED AND THAT THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT TIMELINE. 
          THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERABLES TO MEET. 
          AND ON OCCASION IF THERE'S EMERGENCIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE PULLED FOR EMERGENCY, UH, REQUEST. 
          BUT THE, THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE A FOCUS TEAM THAT IS DEDICATED TO DRAINAGE. 
          SO ONE OF THE ASPECTS THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT AND WORTHY OF MENTIONING IS THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY CLEANING OUR STORM DRAINS, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT TOO. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE THE CAPABILITY OF, OF STARTING THAT RIGHT AWAY, BUT EVENTUALLY AS A PART OF THE ONGOING PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, WE NEED TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY CLEANING OUR STORM DRAINS AS WELL. 
          SO, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS A DIFFICULT THING FOR ME TO SUGGEST IT, BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH $2 MILLION TONIGHT. 
          WE GOTTA FIND $2 MILLION SOMEWHERE. 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS 20% THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOU CAN CUT, THIS GETS US 20, THIS GETS US A FIFTH OF THE WAY TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S A VALUABLE CREW. 
          I, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO FUND IT, BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT I AM UNWILLING TO BUDGE ON. 
          AND SO THIS IS ONE THAT I THOUGHT, WELL, IF WE HAVE TO CUT AND WE, IF WE CAN MAKE A, A BIG DENT AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CUT OUT FOUR INDIVIDUALS PLUS EQUIPMENT ALONG WITH IT, THEN YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT 45 MINUTES KIND OF BEATING AROUND THE BUSH, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO START MAKING SOME KIND OF DECISIONS ON WHAT ARE WE GONNA, I MEAN, ARE WE REALLY GONNA CUT 2 MILLION OR ARE WE NOT? AND, AND IF WE ARE, THEN, THEN LET'S JUST KIND, I MEAN, IF, IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS, HAS BETTER IDEAS OF WHERE ELSE WE CAN CUT, I HAVE ONE OTHER ONE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG ITEM, WHICH IS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS BUDGET HAS BUILT INTO IT, UM, ENOUGH EXTRA MONEY TO GET US ABOVE THE 20% FUND BALANCE. 
          MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HOLD THE 20%, AND I THINK, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE NUMBERS ARE ABOUT $700,000 THAT WE COULD TAKE FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND ELIMINATE IT HOLD TO THE 20%, WHICH IS IN OUR FISCAL BUDGETARY POLICY, IT'S 10% REQUIRED IN OUR CHARTER, 20% FOR FISCAL BUDGET, BUDGETARY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          SO IF WE, IF WE JUST HOLD THAT AT 20%, THAT'S ANOTHER $700,000 BETWEEN THAT AND THIS, THIS GETS US HALFWAY THERE. 
          YOU SAID 700 OR SEVEN 50? ABOUT 700 IS WHAT I REMEMBER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. 
          IS THAT A MOTION ON THAT ONE? I DON'T, I I DON'T REALLY WANNA MAKE ANY MOTIONS TONIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, I GUESS WE CAN, MY, MY, MY DESIRE WASN'T TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT TO START BRINGING UP IDEAS OF WHERE WE CAN CUT TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR, IS THIS A DUMB IDEA? IS THIS AN IDEA THAT EVERYONE'S KIND OF AGREEABLE TO? I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT, UH, THAT I HAD THOUGHT OF IS THAT IF WE DO THAT, IF WE DO THAT AND THIS STREET SCREW THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS, ROUGHLY, LET'S TALK TO SEVEN 50. 
          I MEAN, YOU BRING IT UP, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON IT AND GET IT GOING. 
          I WANT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ON WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS ABOUT THAT. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? JUST REPEAT THE SPECS ON THAT. 
          SOUNDS LIKE THE MAYOR WANTS A MOTION. 
          . 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA INSIST ON A MOTION OR ARE YOU GONNA I'M JUST SAYING, NO, I'M NOT, BUT OKAY, WE CAN TALK HERE UNTIL THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          AGAIN, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T START MAKING MOTIONS AND DOING SOMETHING, THEN WE'RE GONNA LEAVE HERE AT TWO O'CLOCK AND GO, WELL, WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. 
          AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WHAT'D YOU GUYS DO? WE HAVEN'T CUT NOTHING OUT YET, BUT I THINK WE MADE PROGRESS. 
          I'M SAYING IF WE GOT SOME OF THESE IDEAS, LET'S START MAKING MOTIONS. 
          THAT GETS A CONVERSATION. 
          IF THERE'S A SECOND, YOU GET A VOTE AND THEN YOU CAN WRITE IT DOWN. 
          UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD IT BACK IN IF SOME, SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA. 
          BUT I'M JUST THROWING OUT SO WE GOT PROGRESS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MY, MY, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. 
          I, I THINK MAKING A MOTION AND SETTING IT IN STONE. 
          NOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA BRING SOMETHING UP THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT MAY BE BETTER THAN TAKING THIS FUND BALANCE OUT. 
          AND SO I'D LIKE TO KINDA GET ALL THE IDEAS OUT. 
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UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER SUGGESTED, LET'S GET 'EM ALL OUT THERE, PUT 'EM ON A LIST AND SAY, WHAT DOES IT ADD UP TO? DOES, DOES, DOES THAT GET US TO THE 2 MILLION? YES OR NO? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HASN'T BROUGHT UP YET THAT MAYBE IS BETTER AND MAYBE WE CAN PUT THE STREETS STREET SCREW BACK IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT YEP. 
          I MEAN, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OVER KEEPING THE 20% AND JUST HOLDING IT THE 20% AND NOT GOING ABOVE MY, MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT WE HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO FORMALIZE A REPAYMENT AGREEMENT WITH EDC. 
          WHAT? YEP. 
          OH, FOR US TO REPAY BACK THEM OR THEM TO PAY US? NO, TO PAY US. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET MONEY IS WE DID FORGIVE 12 MILLION YEP. 
          TO THE EDC. 
          YEP. 
          AND WE COULD GO BACK TO THE EDC AND I UNDERSTAND THE EEC HAS ALREADY HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT YEAH, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THAT ABOUT MAYBE, YEAH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED BY THAT BOARD OR THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE 20% WHEN WE ALL AS A COUNCIL SAID, WE, THE GOAL, ASPIRATIONAL GOAL WAS TO GET TO 30% BECAUSE THAT'S BETTER FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          UM, THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT 700 K OUT, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT GETTING THAT, THAT BACK FROM THE EDC. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THEY, UNTIL THEY DO LAND SALES OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          BUT JUST THAT WE HAVE THAT, UH, UM, FUNDING SOURCE LISTED. 
          UM, SO THE, HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT? IT, IT LOOKS THE, IT IS THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OVERAGE? YES. 
          THE OVERAGE 20 OVER PERCENT. 
          IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S ABOUT 738,000 OR 737,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          JAMES, I WAS THINKING YOU SENT AN EMAIL THAT SAID THERE'S 3.2 MILLION BETWEEN THE BUDGET YOU PROPOSED AND NO NEW REVENUE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT IF YOU JUST WANTED TO GET DOWN TO JUST 20% 20%, WE NEEDED TO CUT 2 MILLION. 
          2 MILLION AND LIKE 50,000. 
          SO THIS DOESN'T HELP US THEN. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE 7 38 OFF THE 3 MILLION, NOT 7 38 OFF THE 2 MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          I MAYBE WHAT I'D HAVE TO DO , IS LOOK AT WHAT THE, LET ME, LET'S GO BACK TO THIS AGAIN. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IT. 
          IF YOU'RE CUTTING FROM THE FUND BALANCE DOWN, WELL IF IT'S 3.2 MILLION TO GET FROM WHAT YOU PROPOSED AND NO NEW REVENUES, 3.2 MILLION MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THAT JUST TO GET US DOWN TO 20% AND NO NEW REVENUES, 2 MILLION, THAT WOULD LEAD TO LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 2000003.2 IS SOME KIND OF SURPLUS NUMBER. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND THEN IF WE TAKE SEVEN 50 AND SURPLUS OFF, IT CAN'T COME OFF THE 2 MILLION. 
          IT HAS TO COME OFF THE 3.2. 
          I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT ALSO ANYTHING YOU TAKE OFF THE TWO WOULD ALSO COME OFF THE 3.2. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WOULD WORK. 
          WELL, NO, BECAUSE THE 2 MILLION WAS ACTUAL SPENDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2000003.2 WAS A SURPLUS AMOUNT. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU WERE ABLE TO GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOUR, SO YOUR THREE ONE, IF YOU REDUCED IT BY SEVEN WOULD NOW BECOME 2.4, BUT YOU ONLY PRODUCTION OF REVENUE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU ONLY NEED TWO TOO IN CUTS TO GET US TO 20% IN NO NEW REVENUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF OVERSIMPLIFYING, BUT YEAH, IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S COMP. 
          I DON'T WANNA RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES SO WE CAN SAVE MORE MONEY IN THE BANK. 
          I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM NECESSARILY, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO THINK WE COULD JUST CUT SEVEN 50. 
          YOU CRUNCH THE NUMBERS AND A WEEK AND GO, WELL WE STILL GOT 750 GRAND. 
          NOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YOUR FUND BALANCE WOULD GET TOO LOW AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MORE EXPENSES THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT EVERY, I LIKE THE IDEA. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS US, BUT EVERY DOLLAR I WILL SAY IT HELPS JUST NOT AS MUCH AS MAYBE I THOUGHT EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU DO CUT EFFECTIVELY REDUCES THE CO OVERALL COST BY A DOLLAR 20. 
          SURE. 
          'CAUSE OF THE 20% RESERVE THAT GOES WITH THE EXPENSE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE WE CAN SAY 3.2. 
          AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT BASICALLY 1.1 MILLION ON THE, THE BOOKS. 
          AND YOU CAN ASSUME THAT IT'S A 7 38 WOULD NOT HAVE A FACTOR OF 1.2 BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY GOING ONLY TO THE RESERVE BALANCE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT ANYTHING THAT'S AN ACTUAL EXPENSE CUT, YOU CAN MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER BY 1.2 FOR THE, UH, FOR THE 20%. 
          BUT SINCE WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY IT'S THAT, I THINK WE JUST, IF IT'S 2.1 MILLION IS WHAT WE NEED TO CUT. 
          SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE 2.1 OF EXPENSES. 
          IT IS 2.1. 
          IF, IF YOU GO TO NO NEW REVENUE, THAT WILL REDUCE REVENUE BY THE 3.1, WHICH INCLUDES THAT 700,000. 
          SO IN ORDER 
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TO BALANCE WITH THE 20% RESERVE REQUIREMENT, YOU NEED TO CUT 2 MILLION IN EXPENSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU CAN REDUCE THE, THE, THE REVENUE BY TAKING OUT THE 700,000 IN THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH WOULD WORK IF YOUR TAX RATE WAS GONNA GO ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S, BUT IF WE'RE NOT, THEN, THEN WE DO HAVE TO BASICALLY HIT 2 MILLION IN EXPENSE REDUCTION AND THAT 700 WILL COME OUT AUTOMATICALLY AT WHATEVER THE NEW TAX RATE IS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NO, I GET YOU. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE IT BEING BIG ENOUGH TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ONCE WE CUT OUT 2 MILLION EXPENSES. 
          THE TOTAL AMOUNT GOING INTO FUND BALANCE IS 1.4 MILLION 700 TO OFFSET EXPENSES 700 FOR BEING NOT AT 20%. 
          SO AS THE EXPENSES COME DOWN, THAT FUND BALANCE NUMBER WILL ALSO COME DOWN AS DOES THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE TAXES, TO HAVE FUND BALANCE. 
          SURE. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NOT AT 20%? UH, NOT END YOUR RESERVE AT ONLY 20% OF YOUR EXPENSES, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL POLICY. 
          SO REMEMBER GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE EXPENSES ARE GOING UP, WE ALSO HAVE TO KICK UP RESERVES. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE THE ROAD CREW AT FOUR 12. 
          WE HAVE ANOTHER 1.6 MILLION TO GO. 
          AND, AND JUST FOR CLARITY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE MAYOR PRO TEMS MOTION AND THEN THE MAYOR'S, UH, REQ LINE OF QUESTIONING, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FUND THE DRAINAGE CREW FROM THE MONEY THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR LAKESIDE ESTATE AND THE CIP, WHICH IS BEING FUNDED FROM THE GEO. 
          BUT WE WILL NEED TO GET A, AN ACTUAL THUMBS UP FROM THE BOND ATTORNEY BEFORE WE CAN SAY THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO GONNA BE PAYING INTEREST FOR 30 YEARS ON THE SALARIES FOR ONE YEAR TO HAVE THEM DO THAT, WHICH ALSO IS NOT A GOOD FISCAL POLICY. 
          WELL, I, I MEAN, COUNCIL MEMBER, TECHNICALLY WE'RE DOING THAT WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE'RE HIRING TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THEM FULL FREIGHT, WHICH INCLUDES THEIR SALARY COSTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHETHER YOU, TO ME, WHETHER YOU BORROW THE MONEY TO PAY SOMEONE'S SALARY MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OR YOU SAY, I'M GONNA PAY THIS BUCKET OF CASH, I'M GONNA GO BORROW A HUNDRED GRAND OVER HERE, UNLESS WE'RE NOT BORROWING ANY MORE MONEY, THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA BORROW 10 MILLION A YEAR, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT, IT MAY, FROM A PERSON'S POCKETBOOK, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          'CAUSE WHETHER YOU SPEND 10 MILLION AND BORROWED MONEY AND 10 MILLION IN CASH, HOW THE CHECKS GOT WRITTEN OUTTA WHICH ACCOUNT, EITHER WAY YOU SPENT 20 MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE THE BEST THING IS NEVER TO BORROW MONEY AGAIN. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE, THEN WE COULD HAVE THAT DEBATE LIKE, HEY, IF WE DO THAT, WE GOTTA GO BORROW MONEY. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          WELL, THIS MONEY'S ALREADY BORROWED. 
          IT'S ALREADY I HEAR YOU. 
          IT'S ALREADY EARMARKED. 
          AND, AND YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AND FOR US, I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT ALBERTA'S TRYING TO SAY IS THAT SHE BELIEVES IT'S JUST AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE. 
          WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS BE PAYING, IS CHARGING THEIR SALARIES AGAINST THE GO AND THEN SEND THEM TO GO OUT TO GO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AN APPROVED EXPENSE OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE, WE DID THAT. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO BE GET SIDEWAYS WITH AG AGAIN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I, I GUESS THE QUESTION ALSO WOULD BE, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE SHIFTED INTO THAT GO THAT MIGHT BE LESS PROBLEMATIC? UH, MAYBE, I MEAN, WE GO BACK TO THE CIP LIST THAT YOU, THAT THE COUNCIL'S WORKSHOPPED AND WHAT YOU'VE PRIORITIZED AND LOOK TO SEE IF YOU PULL OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT MAY BE A BETTER, A BETTER WAY TO DO IT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA, THAT DOESN'T HELP THE GENERAL FUND SIDE THOUGH, THAT I CAN NO, NO, NO. 
          IF I'M SAYING IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND SOMEWHERE THAT OH, ACTUALLY WOULD FIT. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE IS. 
          EVERYTHING'S EITHER A PUBLIC COMMUNITY, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, OR PI FEE OR IT'S A YEAH. 
          BUT THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FEE, THINGS CAN BE TAKEN OUT OF THERE AND THEN OTHER THINGS CAN BE PUT IN THERE. 
          SO YEAH, LIKE SOME, I'M WITH CUSTOMER THORNTON, SO OKAY, I WANNA BUILD NEW SIDEWALKS. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S A-C-I-P-I WANNA GO REPAIR A SIDEWALK IN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S A REPAIR. 
          WELL THEN THINK OF DRAINAGE. 
          IT'D BE INTERESTING FOR BARR TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU JUST DIG A DITCH DEEPER, THAT'S A REPAIR. 
          BUT IF YOU COMPLETELY IMPROVE IT WITH CONCRETE AND, AND YOU FIX IT UP, THAT COULD BE ICIP. 
          WELL THEN I'D BE SAYING, OKAY, WELL WHY ARE WE USING GENERAL REVENUE FOR MONEY? THAT COULD BE CIP AND THEN, 'CAUSE EVENTUALLY I SEE US GETTING BIG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ABSORB A CREW THAT DOES NOTHING THAT DOES IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THIS. 
          BUT I, I DON'T, BUT UNTIL WE GROW UP TO BE A BIGGER CITY, SOMETIMES I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO BE LIKE A GEORGETOWN AND RUN A HIERARCHY AND ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS AND WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET. 
          SO WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO, IN MY MIND, HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE WHAT RICK'S SUGGESTING, INSTEAD OF HAVING A SIDEWALK CREW AND A DRAINAGE CREW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CREW THAT DOES BOTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND MAYBE THEY DO WHATEVER THEY, THEY HELP OUT ON PARADES OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THAT WAY YOU'RE USING PEOPLE AND ALBERTA'S GONNA WANNA AN ACCOUNTING PERSON TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. 
          BUT I SEE US DOING SOMETHING LIKE 
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THAT. 
          A LOT OF HYBRIDS UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT POINT. 
          BUT, SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO, TO THAT STATEMENT IS, CIP IS A IS A DESIGNATION. 
          HOW IT GETS PAID FOR DOESN'T, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CIP IT DOESN'T MA THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GETTING PAID FOR WITH DEBT. 
          IT COULD GET PAID FOR WITH GENERAL FUND. 
          SURE. 
          IT COULD GET PAID FOR A UTILITY FUND, COMMUNITY IMPACT FEE, TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE. 
          SO CIP IS A CATEGORY. 
          AND THEN UNDER THAT IS HOW, HOW THAT PROJECT GETS FUNDED IS ALL THE, TRYING TO MATCH UP THE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF, OF REVENUE TO OFFSET THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE. 
          IT'S JUST GENERALLY YOU CAN BORROW MONEY, YOU CAN SELL BONDS TO DO CIP PROJECTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU CANNOT, YOU CAN DEFINITELY, ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GO TO MARKET, YES. 
          YOU CAN SELL, YOU CAN SELL BONDS TO DO CIP PROJECTS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND TO COUNCILMAN CLARK'S POINT, IT MAY NOT BE AS GOOD A SECURITY AS LIKE A VEHICLE OR A HOUSE YOU CAN TAKE. 
          BUT WE BUILD ROADS AND CALL THAT ASSETS. 
          AND TO ME, I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DRAINAGE DITCH AND A ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO, IF YOU OWE MONEY ON IT AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COME REPO IT FROM THE CITY. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S, YES, IT'S, IT'S AN ASSET ON OUR BOOKS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CONVERT INTO MONEY. 
          BUT ROADS AND SIDEWALKS AND BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES AND PARKS, THOSE ARE ALL CERTAINLY THINGS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE PAID FOR WITH DEBT. 
          I WAS RECOMMENDING NOT TO DO EQUIPMENT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN TIME. 
          AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT YOU PAY FOR THAT OUT OF A DIFFERENT POCKET. 
          SO THAT WAY EVERYTHING'S NICE AND CLEAN, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          MONEY FROM OVER HERE. 
          MONEY FROM OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SEVEN 30 EIGHT'S A GOOD NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          , SO I JUST HAD ONE OTHER ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEETS THE, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND CRITERIA OR NOT. 
          IT MIGHT WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT PAINS ME TO, TO EVEN BRING IT UP AND TO SAY IT. 
          I THINK IT COULD DEFINITELY BE UTILIZED IN THE CITY. 
          BUT THE MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST MM-HMM. 
           65,000, UM, BENEFITS WOULD ADD TO THAT. 
          AND THEN I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF WE DIDN'T HIRE A MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST, IF THERE WERE SOFTWARE THAT WE ALSO WOULDN'T GET OR IF WE WOULD STILL WANT TO GET ALL THE SOFTWARE, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT POSITION. 
          SO MAYBE SHEA CAN TELL US, SORRY TO MAKE YOU COME UP. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          UH, SHAYNA YOUNG COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER FOR THE MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST THAT IT'S JUST A STANDALONE FTE. 
          THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE OR EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD COME WITH THAT PERSON. 
          WE FIND THAT IN COMMUNICATIONS, WHAT WE'RE LACKING MOST IS RESOURCES IS TIME. 
          WE LACK PERSONNEL. 
          UM, WE TEND TO DO, UH, WE LACK THE MOST WITH JUST HAVING ENOUGH ALLOCATION OF HAVING MANY BODIES NEEDED AT ONE PLACE AT ONE TIME. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T LOSE ANY OF THE DIGITAL BUSINESS. 
          YOU'D STILL DO LIKE THE HOOTSUITE AND THE, THE APP. 
          YOU'RE STILL, YOU'D STILL BE ABLE TO DO ALL THAT WITHOUT AN PERSON. 
          WE STILL NEED ALL OF THOSE OTHER, UM, SOFTWARES AND, UM, TECH LINE ITEMS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEED FOR THE MULTIMEDIA SPECIALISTS. 
          'CAUSE WHAT THEY ARE BASICALLY IS A DUPLICATION OF KATIE. 
          SO WE JUST BASICALLY WANT TO CLONE A MINI KATIE  AND SEND HER OUT IN MORE PLACES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, KATIE, UM, DOES PRETTY MUCH ALL PHOTO AND VIDEO BY HERSELF AND THEN ALL POST-PROCESSING. 
          SO WHENEVER PARKS HAS AN EVENT OR THERE IS, UM, ANY TYPE OF COVERAGE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THE STATE OF THE CITY OR ANY BIG PRODUCTIONS, SHE DOES PHOTO AND VIDEO BY HERSELF WITH ME AS THE BACKUP. 
          AND THEN SHE DOES ALL THE POST-PROCESSING ON HER OWN. 
          WOW. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT SHE CANNOT HAVE ANY, UH, OR VERY LITTLE VACATIONS OR TIMES OFF. 
          AND THEN WHENEVER THERE'S OVERLAPPING EVENTS, WE HAVE TO DO EXTERNAL COVERAGES. 
          SO YOU'LL NOTICE ON PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WE HAVE ALMOST $7,000 ALLOCATED THERE AND WE SPEND IT EVERY YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S HIRING EXTERNAL PHOTOGRAPHERS AND VIDEOGRAPHERS TO DO WORK AND HIRING. 
          THIS PERSON WOULD GET RID OF THAT 7,000? YES. 
          OH, ALL RIGHT. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          I DON'T WANNA RECOMMEND THIS ONE. 
          SOMEBODY ELSE CAN. 
          NOT ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND CHASE. 
          SO, OH, SORRY. 
          YOU, YOU GUYS DO A LOT OF GREAT WORK. 
          IT'S A LOT MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN WHAT WE'VE MAYBE HAD WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE ON SOME THINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THIS POSITION WASN'T THERE, WE TO NOT BURN OUT THE PEOPLE WE HAVE NOW, MAYBE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEVEL REDUCTION IN SOME OF OUR PHOTOGRAPHY OR EVENTS THAT WE GO. 
          MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST IS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE GROWING AND WE'RE NOT. 
          AND SO AS PARKS OR OUR OTHER GREAT ACTIVITIES ARE STAYING THE SAME, WE ARE NOT, UM, ABLE TO GROW AT THE SAME CAPACITY. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE WONDERFUL, 
          [01:30:01]
UH, LIKE EVENTS THAT WE'RE DOING AND, UM, THE LIBRARY SERVICES ARE AMAZING AND THERE'S GREAT, UM, STORIES BEING TOLD IN LIKE THE EDC EVENTS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO AS MANY THINGS AS WE CAN, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BE EVERYWHERE AT ONCE. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TELL ALL OF THE GREAT SERVICES THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO I GUESS IF DIMINISHING, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS MAN. 
          I'M JUST NOT GOOD AT ARTICULATING THINGS. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE'RE OKAY WITH, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME EVENTS. 
          WE DON'T NEED PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY OUT THAT WE COULD JUST MM-HMM. 
          . 
          HEY GUYS, IF YOU WENT TO THE SUNSET PARTY, HOW TO SHARE YOUR PICTURES WITH US. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I, I LOOK AT IT, I DO WONDER, YES, WE SAVED $7,000 IN THIRD PARTY COSTS, BUT AT THE COST OF 90,000, AND WE WOULD, TO ME ALLEG, THIS HAS AN EXPANSION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A BAD THING. 
          BUT IF WE EXPAND, THEN IF WE TELL PEOPLE PROBABLY THE REASON YOUR TAXES WENT UP, WE'RE EXPANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          OUR PEOPLE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND AT THIS TIME THEY MAY NOT. 
          OR THEY MAY SAY, NO, I LIKE IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, HEY HU'S GREAT AND I WANNA SEE EVEN MORE CONTENT. 
          AND WE GO, OKAY, WHAT'S GONNA COST YOU, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY GONNA PAY $3 A MONTH FOR THAT. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          LIKE THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE. 
          OR THEY MAY SAY, WE LIKE IT, BUT WE DON'T NEED IT AS MUCH. 
          IF YOU GUYS TONE IT DOWN AND MAYBE HAVE LESS, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT FOR NOW. 
          I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SEE. 
          UM, THE DEBATE ON THIS BEING IS NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING A BAD JOB, BUT IS THIS A SERVICE THAT WE'RE READY TO EXPAND AT THIS TIME? OR IS IT ONE THAT WE'RE OKAY TRYING TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC TO, MAYBE THAT'S, YOU SAID HER NAME IS, I FORGET HER NAME. 
          KATIE. 
          KATIE, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF KATIE SPENT MORE TIME MAYBE WITH NON-PROFESSIONAL PICTURES, UHHUH, BUT THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST SOLD IT OUT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK, THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING BAD AT ALL AND YOU GUYS COULD EXPAND AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10 PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S A REALLY GREAT POINT. 
          AND YOU WOULD FIND A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT, I THINK IS THAT EXPANSION READY? LIKE LAST YEAR I WASN'T NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF ADDING FOUR LIBRARIANS. 
          I WAS LIKE, IS THERE A WAY TO ADD TWO MM-HMM. 
           IT WAS AGAINST LIBRARIES. 
          I WAS JUST LIKE, IT'S ADDING A LOT OF SERVICES, A LOT OF PAYROLL, AND HOW DO WE USE THAT ELSEWHERE? AND I KIND OF THINK THE SAME WAY ON SOME OF OUR POSITIONS. 
          IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE BAD OR NOT NEEDED MM-HMM . 
          BUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THE VIABILITY LONG TERM? UM, AND AND ON THAT WITH OUR SERVICES NOTES, THERE'S MANY SERVICES THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE. 
          LIKE OUR VICTIM SERVICES, WE'RE JUST PUTTING UP A WEBPAGE FOR THEM THIS WEEK. 
          THEY HAVEN'T HAD A WEBPAGE YET. 
          SO BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN OF THEM AND HAVE THEM HAVE AS MUCH VISIBILITY AS SOME OF OUR OTHER SERVICES OR THINGS LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU MIGHT NOT THINK OF THEM AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD INITIALLY MAYBE NEED PHOTOS OR VIDEOS. 
          BUT BEING ABLE TO INFORM RESIDENTS OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. 
          AND THEN ON THAT SAME NOTE, WE'RE LAUNCHING THE GRANICUS FOR, UM, RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO REPORT THEIR, UM, NEEDS LIKE FILLING THE POTHOLES AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF MARKETING TO INFORM RESIDENTS ON HOW TO USE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE ALSO ANTICIPATING THAT GREAT NEED OF MARKETING, WHICH WOULD TAKE PHOTO AND VIDEO AS WELL. 
          SHAY ALSO, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME WHENEVER YOU BROUGHT IT UP AND THAT WAS THE, UH, CIP VIDEOS AND ALL OF THE VIDEOGRAPHY WORK THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN TO DO THOSE IN HOUSE. 
          NOW WE DID MOVE THOSE IN HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE ALL HAPPENING IN HOUSE IF YOU ARE ENJOYING THEM. 
          UM, KATIE DOES DO THEM ALL ON HER OWN NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I FEEL LIKE FROM THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN LIKE GREAT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN REVIEWED WELL BY THE SURVEY RESULTS. 
          RIGHT? SO WHAT, THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE ESSENTIALLY IS THAT THEY'VE, THE COMMUNITY FROM THE SURVEY HAS BEEN LIKE, HEY, THIS IS GREAT. 
          IT'S, THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND HUDDLE OUT, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE MORE, UM, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING THE INFORMATION DUE TO THE HARD WORK THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF INCREASING THEIR CAPACITY TO, TO GET MORE INFORMATION TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LOVE THIS KIND OF STUFF. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR DEVICES ALL THE TIME AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY GET INFORMATION FROM THE CITY VIA THE COMMUNICATIONS OR YOU KNOW, HER, HER DEPARTMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
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ALRIGHT, THANKS . 
          SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU GO BACK, , SORRY, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT NO PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, AFTER REVIEWING THE BUDGET, I MEAN, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO, TO REALLY MAKE ANY SIGNIFICANT CUTS, UM, FROM THIS BUDGET BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BEFORE THAT THIS IS A MODEST BUDGET AND DUE TO THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN INFRASTRUCTURE, IN QUALITY OF LIFE IN SAFETY OVER THE PAST YEAR, UM, IT DOESN'T WARRANT IT TO ME, BUT I AM OPEN TO WORKING WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND SO THIS ISN'T A SLIGHT ON ANY STAFF MEMBER. 
          IT'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVE WITH OUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          AND SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR SOFTWARE MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, IN LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, I MEAN THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S NOT UN THAT'S NOT ABOVE THE, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS OUTTA THE WAY SO TO NOT HAVE YOU COME ALL THE WAY BACK UP. 
          BUT PROBLEM, UM, 23,000, I'M NOT SURE I SEE THE VALUE OF A CALENDAR SOFTWARE THAT OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY CAN INTEGRATE INTO WHENEVER WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING THAT INTEGRATION ALREADY ON A DAY-TO-DAY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY BASIS WITH SOME OF OUR NONPROFITS WITH THE ISD WITH OTHER BUSINESSES. 
          I'M NOT SEEING IT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THAT POINT YET. 
          I THINK WE'LL GET THERE. 
          BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF VALUE YOU SEE IN THAT 23,000 BEING SPENT FOR THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON HOW WE COULD IMPROVE OUR WEBSITE AND THERE'S SIMPLE THINGS THAT ARE ON THEIR WAY, JUST ON THE PLATFORM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING. 
          BUT WE DID WANNA RESEARCH IF THERE WAS ANY WAY WE COULD IMPROVE BEYOND WHAT CIVIC HAS FOR US. 
          AND WHENEVER WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT CALENDARS, THERE WERE A LOT OF MODELS OUT THERE THAT WEREN'T ANYTHING MORE SPECIAL THAN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND THEN WE FOUND BE WITH, AND THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSIVE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKED BEST ABOUT THEM IS THEY REALLY ARE A CRM FOR OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO WHILE THEY ARE A CALENDAR ON THE FOREFRONT AND THERE ARE THE, UH, IT'S THE ABILITY THAT, UM, OTHER STAKE EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS CAN SUBMIT THEIR EVENTS FOR OUR APPROVAL. 
          THE BEST PART OF IT IS THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GIVING US THEIR INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN CONTACT THEM. 
          AND SO IF THE PTA IS THROWING A DANCE, THEY CAN SELL THEIR TICKETS THROUGH IT. 
          THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED FINANCIALLY, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, UM, FLOW THROUGH. 
          BUT THEY TAKE ALL THE NORMAL PAYMENTS, YOU KNOW, STRIPE, APPLE PAY AND ALL THAT STUFF SO THEY CAN DO ALL THEIR FUNDRAISING THROUGH IT. 
          SO THAT'S AN INITIATIVE FOR THEM TO SIGN UP AND BE PAYERS THROUGH IT. 
          UM, AND THEY CAN, UM, SELL ALL THEIR TICKETS, DO ALL THEIR EVENTS AND HOSTING THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. 
          IT'S A REALLY CLEAN USER INTERFACE. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA BE MOTIVATED TO WANT TO BE ON THAT APP ANYWAYS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO GET ALL OF THAT DATA AND IT'S VERY FORWARD FACING THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE HIDDEN, YOU'RE OPTING IN THAT WE RECEIVE THAT DATA AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THE CITY WILL HAVE ALL OF THE CONTACTS IN ONE PLACE. 
          SO IF THE LIBRARY WOULD LIKE TO HOST AN EVENT AND SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TEDDY BEAR SLEEPOVER FOR FIRST GRADERS, THEY CAN SEND OUT A TARGETED EMAIL OR TEXT MESSAGE FOR THE FIRST TIME TO THE WHOLE GROUP AND OVERLAP WITH WHOEVER WENT TO THE PARKS MOVIE NIGHT. 
          WHERE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S USING SEGMENTED SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO INTEGRATE AND TALK TO EACH OTHER. 
          SO THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN START SKIPPING THE ALGORITHM AND OUR FACEBOOK, UM, AND INSTAGRAM ALGORITHMS AND SKIP OUR ADVERTISING MONEY AND BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN OVER TIME AND ALSO BUILD UP OUR EMAIL SUBSCRIBER LIST. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MARKETING SAY THAT YOUR EMAIL SUBSCRIBERS ARE, UH, WHERE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO REACH YOUR CONTACTS. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LIKE BEST. 
          IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE A THREE MINUTE VIDEO, UM, I DID GIVE A FILE, UM, THAT WE HAVE LIKE A DEMO OF, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, VIDEOS OF LIKE SUGAR 
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LAND AND SOME OF THE OTHER BIG CITIES THAT USE THIS PLATFORM. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. 
          UM, SO JUST THINKING, JUST THINKING IT THROUGH, 'CAUSE I AM FAMILIAR WITH HOOTSUITE AND UNDERSTANDING ITS CAPABILITIES. 
          I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY ALL OF THE CAPABILITIES THAT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH 'CAUSE I'VE NEVER USED UTILIZED THIS SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND IT SOUNDS REALLY GREAT. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING THOUGH, AS WE RAMP UP, IF WE COULDN'T UTILIZE HOOTSUITE TO THE FULLEST THIS YEAR AROUND MAYBE PUSH OFF THIS SOFTWARE TO RE-LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, NOT KILL IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT FUNDING IT FOR NEXT YEAR AND UTILIZE HOOTSUITE TO THE FULLEST FOR THIS YEAR. 
          GAIN ALL OF THOSE CONTACTS, THOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES, INTEGRATE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS WITHIN HOOTSUITE. 
          POTENTIALLY SEND OUT DIFFERENT LOGINS TO THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT WOULD, UH, PARTNER WITH US AND EVERYONE UTILIZE HOOTSUITE. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE SEE HOW THAT WORKS AND WE, YOU KNOW, SEE THE, THE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS OF UTILIZING HOOTSUITE, THEN WE MAYBE GO FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A BETTER, NOT A BETTER JUSTIFICATION, BUT MORE OF A STRONGER JUSTIFICATION TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE BUS BUSTING AT THE SEAMS RIGHT HERE. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT WOULD HELP US TO, TO, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT ALSO START TAKING PAYMENTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SUNSET, HOOTSUITE, THOSE ARE SEPARATE BUT PARTNERING MODALITIES, UM, THEY WOULDN'T REPLACE ONE ANOTHER AT ANY TIME. 
          HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ALWAYS RESEARCH AND WHATEVER SPEED YOU GUYS WANT COMMUNICATIONS TO GROW AT, WE WILL AND WE'LL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO JUST RESEARCH AND IMPROVE THE DEPARTMENT AT WHATEVER RATE YOU ALLOW US TO. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT, NOT A QUESTION, BUT JUST A COMMENT THAT I, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WHEN YOU BRING IN NEW SOFTWARE THERE, THERE IS SOME COST TO THAT IN TERMS OF BURDEN ON THE DEPARTMENT TO COME UP TO SPEED AND GET TO USE IT ONBOARDING. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU START BRINGING IN MULTIPLE NEW SOFTWARE AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE IT IS BETTER TO STAGE IT. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK THERE'S UH, SOME VALUE IN THAT STRATEGY OF NOT BRINGING IN TOO MUCH ALL AT ONCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE, WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE BE WITH, RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHERS? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY CAN BE AT NO NEW REVENUE. 
          BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET, UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME BASE INCREASES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, UM, UH, ANYTHING THAT WE WANNA DO IS THAT WE, WE WANT TO HAVE THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FULLY FUNDED, UM, WHICH ADDS 900 K ABOVE WHAT WE WERE AT LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S, EVEN IF YOU'RE AT NO NEW REVENUE, THAT'S NOW A NEW THING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING. 
          WE'RE FULLY BUDGETING. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE THE, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, SAID THAT EVEN AT NO NEW REVENUE, WE GENERATED I THINK WHAT ABOUT $2 MILLION MORE IN REVENUE AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE OVER WHAT WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR. 
          IS THAT THE, UH, APPROXIMATELY, LET, LET ME LOOK TO VERIFY THE 2 MILLION WAS HOW MUCH WE NEEDED TO CUT FROM EXPENSES TO GET DOWN TO, I KNOW THAT, BUT I WAS JUST ASKING JUST OVER THE REVENUE WE GENERATED LAST YEAR VERSUS THIS YEAR AT GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          I'LL LOOK, I JUST GOTTA COMPARE THE TWO TWO BUDGET. 
          SO, BUT WHILE HE'S LOOKING AT THAT, MY POINT WAS THE ROAD MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO BE FULLY FUNDED. 
          THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 900 K EXPENSE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS ALSO A BAD DECISION. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE HAD THE WINTER STORM AND WE HAD TO GO PULL FUNDS FROM ANOTHER ROAD PROJECT AND VERY QUICKLY PERSONALLY, THAT PROJECT WAS UNDER BUDGET. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY TO GO DO AN EMERGENCY REPAIR ON ANOTHER ROAD. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT GOOD BUDGETING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD FUND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY EXPERTS WE NEED TO DO. 
          SO THAT WAS 900 K. 
          ALSO DISPATCH SERVICES FROM WILLIAMSON COUNTY, THEY GIVE US A NEW BILL. 
          THEY'VE STATED PUBLICLY IT'S NOW $485,000, 4 84 0 8 6. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY ONE POINT IT'S THE INCREASE ACTUAL BILL IS THE INCREASE OVER WHAT OF WHAT WE PAID LAST YEAR. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BEING AT NO NEW REVENUE, WELL THIS IS NOW ANOTHER, UH, AMOUNT THAT'S NOT EVEN, YOU JUST HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. 
          UM, SO IF I DO THAT, THAT'S ABOUT 1.3 MILLION THAT WE NEED. 
          AND SO I'M WAITING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANSWER FROM, UH, 
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SO THE, THIS YEAR, SO I CAN GIVE YOU THIS NUMBER AND THEN I'LL HAVE TO GO LOOK AT LAST YEAR. 
          SO, SO THIS YEAR THE NO NEW REVENUE M AND O WILL, WILL IS PROJECTED TO, UH, GENERATE 14,752,634. 
          AND THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE, UH, M AND O PORTION WAS FOR LAST YEAR. 
          SO I GUESS BACK TO ROAD, ROAD MAINTENANCE, UM, I GUESS PUTTING A TOPIC ON, ON THE TABLE, UM, SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THE CITY MANAGERS PROPOSED BUDGET DOES HAVE, UH, ROAD MAINTENANCE FULLY FUNDED AT 2.1 MILLION. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH I, I DON'T  I DON'T WANT TO CUT OUT OF THAT. 
          UM, I DO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD BE WILLING TO, UH, DROP IT DOWN A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, 500, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ONE TO MAKE IT 1.6 MILLION. 
          UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT WAS, UH, I GUESS REPORTED TO US FROM THE, UH, DATA THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, REPORTED TO US. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IN THIS SITUATION OF BEING A SMALL CITY AND A SOPHISTICATED CITY AND WE'RE IN THIS MIDDLE POINT AND I FEEL LIKE THE 2.1 MILLION, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          AND SO UNFORTUNATELY I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE 2.1 MILLION, BUT BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE GOT TO, UM, DECREASE, UM, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR THE CITY, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I I AM PROPOSING THIS, UM, NOT NOT WILLINGLY OR WANTING TO, BUT AS JUST A, A METER AND A GAUGE TO, TO, TO CUT SPENDING FOR THE CITY. 
          SO THOSE ARE WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER, THOSE ARE MY, THOSE ARE MY, UH, COMMENTS. 
          IF I COULD CUT YOU REAL QUICK, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW ANY SLIGHT TO ANYBODY. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO CALL OUT ANYBODY. 
          BUT BEFORE WE REQUEST THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE, BUT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GOT KIND OF STICKY LAST YEAR, BUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, PORTERFIELD LAST MEETING, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU FOUND 5 MILLION IN THIS BUILDING OR IN MAINTENANCE FACILITY MAINTENANCE THAT YOU FELT THAT WE COULD CUT, THAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST JUST IN THIS BUILDING? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN, CAN WE POTENTIALLY HEAR THAT SO THAT WAY WE COULD FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ROLL WITH BEFORE WE LOOK AT ROAD MAINTENANCE? SURE. 
          UM, JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, I'LL START WITH, UH, INSURANCE FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, THE NUMBERS AND HOW THAT WORKS? BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T FIND A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT INSURANCE IS, BUT LIKE HOW ARE YOU BUDGETING THAT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT WHOLE BUDGETING PROCESS? SURE. 
          SO THE, IN THERE'S THE BENEFITS FOR BEING AN EMPLOYEE THAT ARE INSURANCE ARE HEALTH INSURANCE, VISION, DENTAL, IS THERE ONE I'M MISSING? HR, MEDICAL, DENTAL, VISION, UH, INSURANCE, SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. 
          YEAH, THOSE THINGS. 
          AND THE, UM, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE TOO? ACTUALLY NO, THE, UM, H-S-A-H-S-A-Y. 
          YES. 
          THE, YES, THE HIGH, HIGH, UH, HIGH DEDUCTIBLES, UH, SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 
          SO AS CURRENTLY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, THE, THE CITY HAS TRADITIONALLY PAID FOR THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND THE EMPLOYEE ONLY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF AN EMPLOYEE WORKS FULL-TIME, NOT PART-TIME, BUT THEY WORK FULL-TIME, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THEIR INSURANCE COVERED BY BY THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE MULTIPLE PLANS, ONE OF WHICH IS THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE INSURANCE ACCOUNT OR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE INSURANCE. 
          SO IF AN EMPLOYEE IS ON THE INSURANCE FOR THEMSELVES, THEN THEY JUST HAVE NO OUT OF POCKET. 
          IF THEY CHOOSE THE, THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE, THEN THE CITY CONTRIBUTES THE AMOUNT THAT WE PAY FOR INSURANCE TO THEM BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY'RE ON THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT INSTEAD. 
          SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT INSTEAD OF BEING PAID FOR TO BE ON THE HMO OR THE PPO IF AN EMPLOYEE SIGNS UP FOR COVERAGE FOR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THEMSELF, DIFFERENT RATES, FAMILY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENTS, THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          THEY PAID THE, THE DIFFERENCE, THE, THE DELTA, THE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO IF I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, 
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AN EMPLOYEE AND THEY ARE COVERING THEIR FULL FAMILY, WIFE AND ALL THEIR KIDS, THEN THEY'RE PAYING EVERY SINGLE MONTH FROM THEIR CHECK DEDUCTION TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THE INSURANCE EFFECTIVELY WORKS. 
          THE EXPENSES AS THEY ARE BUDGETED ARE BASICALLY THE, THE NET EFFECT OF THE OPTION THAT THE EMPLOYEE CHOSE TO THE CITY BECAUSE THE REMAINDER COMES FROM THE EMPLOYEE'S SALARY DEDUCTION, WHICH IS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE SALARY. 
          SO THE, SO THE 1.653 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET FOR ALL THE INSURANCE, MEDICAL, DENTAL, VISUAL, UM, DISABILITY, IF IT APPLIES LIFE AND HSA, UM, THAT THAT NUMBER IS THE, UM, IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THEM AS THEIR BENEFIT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NUMBER, BUT YES, WHATEVER IS IN THERE AS AN EXPENSE IS NETTING OUT WHAT THE, UM, IS NETTING OUT WHAT THE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          SO HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          SO THE NUMBER, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S MY CALCULATION, UM, THAT NUMBER THAT'S BUDGETED IS THE NUMBER THAT THE CITY CONTRIBUTES, PERIOD. 
          WHETHER THEY ELECT TO HAVE THAT BE THEIR ONLY OPTION, OR IF THEY ELECT TO PAY MORE AND THAT THAT NUMBER IS OFFSET FOR WHATEVER THEY PAY MORE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. 
          UM, I'VE NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE, UM, INCLUDING A GOVERNMENT, UM, ENTITY, UM, WHERE I HAD ALL MY BENEFITS PAID FOR. 
          NOW I DID HAVE MEDICAL PAID FOR, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS AN OPTION. 
          UM, I DID NOT GET LIFE, I DID NOT GET DENTAL, I DID NOT GET VISION. 
          UH, MY WIFE WORKS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, AND I MIGHT GET THIS WRONG SO SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME, BUT THEY GET THEIR, UM, SAME THING BASE MEDICAL COVERED. 
          UM, IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE A HIGHER, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, LOWER DEDUCTIBLE, WHATEVER, THEY PAY THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? UM, BUT ALL THE, EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS AN ELECTIVE. 
          UM, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA SAY FAIR, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT GET ALL THAT INSURANCE, UM, OFF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD INSURANCE. 
          'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, A AS AN EMPLOYEE AND A BUSINESS OWNER, INSURANCE IS, IS EXPENSIVE. 
          WOO. 
          Y'ALL ALMOST HEARD IT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE . 
          UM, SO TO ME IT'S KIND OF B******T THAT A CITY EMPLOYEE GETS MORE THAN, THAN THE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE PAYING THAN THE TAXPAYER THAT'S PAYING FOR IT. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A HUGE CUT THERE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT HUGE, MAYBE NOT 1.6 MILLION, MAYBE NOT ALL OF IT. 
          UM, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO MATCH, UM, AT LEAST MAYBE THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT NEEDS TO BE OVERHAULED. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT YOU GET ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          NO WONDER PEOPLE WANNA WORK FOR THE CITY. 
          THE PAY IS GOOD, THE BENEFITS ARE GREAT. 
          UM, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS MY FIRST BIG CUT FOR ME SINCE YOU ASKED, UH, BRIAN, I'LL KEEP GOING. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK MORE TO THAT THEN? COULD YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND? BECAUSE I MEAN, YEAH, I GUESS WHEN I LOOK AT IT WITH DELL, DELL COVERS I THINK HALF OF OUR INSURANCE AND THEN WE PAY THE OTHER HALF. 
          UM, AND THAT'S FOR FAMILY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          UM, AND SO COULD YOU KINDA WALK US THROUGH WHY THE CITY IS DIFFERENT THEN? WHY THE CITY IS, IS NOT DOING A A 50 50 SPLIT? IS THAT TRADITIONAL FOR CITIES? IS THAT JUST DIFFERENT FOR HUDU? I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS IS COMMON IN CITIES. 
          IT IS COMMON AS A RECRUITMENT TOOL. 
          UM, NORMALLY YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR PERSONNEL AND, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PRIVATE SECTOR EQUIVALENTS ARE, ARE KNOWN TO HAVE HIGHER PAY THAN THE CITY EQUIVALENT HAS. 
          UM, YOU CAN USUALLY SEE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD IN LIKE ALL THE POSITIONS. 
          AND MANY PEOPLE WHO COME TO WORK FOR CITIES ARE, UM, A A TYPE OF PERSONALITY WHO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND ABOUT COMMUNITY AND THEREFORE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY VALUE IS STABILITY. 
          AND, AND, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO, THEY'RE WILLING TO EARN LESS IF THEY HAVE GOOD BENEFITS, UH, THAN, THAN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR EQUIVALENT. 
          SO, SO YES, IT'S PRETTY COMMON. 
          NOW, DOES EVERY CITY PAY FOR LIFE INSURANCE? USUALLY THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF LIFE INSURANCE THAT IS, THAT IS AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S, IF YOU WANT MORE THAN THAT, YOU PAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, VISION AND DENTAL IS, IS IS TYPICALLY ROLLED IN, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, UH, HEALTH IS THE ONE THAT I ALMOST ALWAYS SEE MANY, MANY, MANY CITIES PAY FOR THE, THE COST OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          AND THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS OVER TIME THE, THE EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION MAY END UP, THE CITY MAY SAY, HEY, 
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YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR OUR CLAIMS WERE REALLY BAD AND THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP FROM, UH, 600 TO AN EMPLOYEE TO A THOUSAND EMPLOYEE. 
          WE CAN'T GO UP THAT MUCH. 
          SO EMPLOYEES, YOU'RE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SAID UP TO THIS POINT THAT WE WERE GONNA PAY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE OUR, OUR RATES HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT THIS YEAR BASED OFF OF WHAT OUR BUDGET IS. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CITIES WHERE THEY START ASKING THE EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SOME AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTION BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, UH, A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN, IN BASE RATES. 
          WE GO OUT TO BID PRETTY REGULARLY TO TRY TO KEEP PUSHING THOSE RATES DOWN AND TO HOLD THEM COMPETITIVELY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS. 
          I THINK WE WENT OUT TO BID TWO YEARS AGO AND UM, THIS YEAR WE ROLLED IN, WE ROLLED IN, UH, INTO THE PROVIDER, THE, THE MEDICAL AND THE DENTAL, WHICH GOT US A DISCOUNT, WHICH IS HOW WE'RE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY KEEP IT THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR AND ONLY COST THE CITY AN ADDITIONAL $10,000 THAN WHAT WE PAID LAST YEAR FOR THE SAME, FOR THE SAME SERVICE FOR THE EMPLOYEES. 
          SO EVAN, MAY I ASK A SAID LIKE A SLIGHT SEGUE, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THE VARIABLE PAY THIS YEAR? INCREASES FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE PARITY. 
          PARITY PAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PARITY. 
          UH, 700 AND CHANGE. 
          I'LL HAVE TO PULL THAT EXACT NUMBER UP. 
          AND THAT'S, IS THAT COLA OR THAT'S JUST VARIABLE? THAT'S JUST THE MARKET. 
          SO WHEN WE DID THE MARKET STUDY LAST YEAR, THE, THE COUNCIL FUNDED 800,000 FOR PD FOR MARKET. 
          SO THAT ADJUSTED THEIR PAY SCALES UP AND THEN WE'VE, I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL FUNDED SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF LIKE TWO 50 FOR ALL THE OTHER STAFF KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE STEPPING IT IN. 
          SO THAT IS JUST, I MEAN, IT DOES INCLUDE THE NON-SWORN PD, BUT THE SWORN PD OR AT MARKET. 
          AND THEY'RE ALSO SO ABOUT 150 PEOPLE IF WE HAVE 40 SWORN, UH, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF I TAKE 750, IS IT CORRECT THAT NOT ALL EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE THE PARITY PAY? 'CAUSE SOME MAY BE ALREADY AT MARKET? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IF THEY'RE ALREADY AT MARKET OR THEY'RE AT WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OR IN THE RANGE, YEAH, RIGHT. 
          THEN, THEN THEY'RE, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR A PARODY. 
          A PARITY IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE BELOW THE MARKET FOR WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. 
          SO, UM, SO NOT ALL EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE PARODY, PAY A PARODY, AND NO THEY DIDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING UP THE NUMBER FOR YOU. 
          MINUTE, GIMME ONE. 
          NO, IT'S FINE. 
          YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          SO HERE, HERE'S MY SEGUE. 
          I SAID BEFORE MY PARENTS ALL RETIRED FROM THE GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL, BUT MY DAD ALWAYS TOLD ME, WENT TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. 
          I COULD HAVE MADE MORE IN THE PRIVATE FIELD BY WHEN HERE FOR THE STABILITY AND THE BENEFITS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTEMPT TO DO IS TO DO A TRIFECTA. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE PERKS OF PRIVATE WORKING FROM HOME COMP TIME AND ALL THESE THINGS WITH TOP-NOTCH BENEFITS WITH PAY THAT I DIDN'T SEE THE STUDY, BUT A LOT OF THE PAYS THAT I SEE IN HERE, AND I DID COMPARE, I TRIED TO COMPARE THOSE THAT I COULD TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          I SEE US TRYING TO DO TOP PAY, TOP PERKS AND TOP BENEFITS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUSTAINABLE. 
          I THINK AT SOME POINT PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME HERE. 
          YOU, YOU AS A CITY MANAGER ARE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THE STAFF TO FIND A WAY TO MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO WANNA COME HERE AND ATTRACT THEM BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE OR THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO. 
          OR, HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY INSURANCE PREMIUMS, BUT IF IT'S, HEY, YOU CAN MAKE AS MUCH PAY. 
          I'M GONNA ARGUE SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE AS MUCH OR MORE THAN THEY CAN IN PRIVATE FIELD. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT'S THE AVERAGE SALARY OF OUR 200 EMPLOYEES AND WHAT'S THE MEDIAN? AND THEN COMPARE THAT. 
          'CAUSE THE CITY OF HUDU HAS 103, I THINK AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AND I BET WE'RE IN THE 80, 75 TO 85 RANGE FOR OUR AVERAGE EMPLOYEE. 
          AND SO THE AVERAGE EMPLOYEE IN HUDU MAY MAKE CLOSE TO JUST UNDER WHAT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IN HU HAS. 
          AND THE, AND TO COUNCILMAN PORTER PHIL'S POINT, IF YOUR BENEFITS ARE BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE PAYING YOUR BENEFITS, IT, IT DOES BECOME A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU GO AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO CONVINCE THE PUBLIC THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE A NICER CARS THAN YOU, THEY'RE GETTING CAR ALLOWANCES. 
          THEY GET, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR THEMSELVES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLANS, BUT WE GIVE THEM MONEY FOR HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLANS. 
          I THINK IT DOES BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A LOPSIDED DEAL. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR PEOPLE IF THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE REALLY HIGH BENEFITS AND GOOD PAY AND GOOD PERKS, GREAT PAY, GREAT BENEFITS, BUT YOU GOT A SLAVE HERE EIGHT HOURS A DAY, MAYBE 
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NINE, AND YOU HAVE TO COME TO WORK AND YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THAT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I DO FIND THIS KIND OF TRYING TO HIT ALL THREE POINTS. 
          UH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF A SEGUE FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT IT SOMETHING I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN SEEING IT IN A BUDGET TO WHERE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, IRENE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO KIND OF GIVE US KIND OF LIKE A RECAP OF THE WHOLE PARODY, WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAD, WHAT SHE BROUGHT US, WHAT LAST YEAR, POSSIBLY JUST KIND OF, OR MAYBE YOURSELF. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LAST YEAR, THE, JUST TO GET PEOPLE UP TO THE MINIMUM MM-HMM. 
           IF MEMORY SERVES WAS LIKE 800,000 AND WE, AND WE OUTSIDE OF PD AND WE FUNDED TWO 50. 
          SO THIS YEAR, THE, AND WE FUNDED THAT FOR THE LOWEST PAID EMPLOYEES. 
          SO ANYBODY WHO MADE UNDER 20 BUCKS AN HOUR, THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT MONEY BASICALLY WENT. 
          SO THAT LEFT A, A SIZABLE CHUNK. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE ADJUSTMENT THAT'S HAPPENED RIGHT SINCE THEN, RIGHT IN THE MARKET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LAST YEAR'S UNFUNDED THIS YEAR AND HOW IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED OR, OR GROWN. 
          THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          AND REMEMBER THE, THE, THE MINIMUM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF OUR MARKET STUDY. 
          SO WHEN WE DID A MARKET STUDY, 50% OF THE CITIES THAT WERE STUDIED PAID LESS THAN US FOR STARTING PAY. 
          50% OF THEM PAID MORE THAN US THAN STARTING PAY. 
          OUR, OUR STARTING PAY WAS SET AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S HOW WE DID IT. 
          EMBARRASSING TO SEE THE CITIES. 
          THERE'S A, A TRACKER OF GOVERNMENT SALARIES. 
          YOU CAN GET HU ISD MM-HMM, , TAYLOR, ROUND ROCK, GEORGETOWN, MM-HMM. 
          , UM, EVERYBODY BUT US. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET IN THERE, BUT SOME OF OUR POSITIONS, TOP DIRECTOR POSITIONS ARE WITHIN 10 OR 15 GRAND OF SAY A CITY WITH 1800 EMPLOYEES. 
          AND SO PART OF ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA WORK IN A SMALLER TOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE WAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHER THAN A BIGGER TOWN, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH CITIES THAT ARE EXPONENTIALLY BIGGER THAN US, I, I DON'T, IT'S LIKE BEING A SMALL MARKET BASEBALL TEAM AND TRYING TO GET THE, THE THE TOP HOME RUN PERSON. 
          YOU WANT IT, BUT YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO YOU TRY TO GET THE BEST TALENT YOU CAN AND THE, BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR EMAIL ABOUT PAYGOV OR CLEAR GOV WAS SCREWED UP. 
          AND SO I LOOKED AT THE 2024 BUDGET COMPARED IT TO THE 2025 BUDGET. 
          AND I TOOK THE POSITIONS THAT HAD WAGES THAT WENT FROM HERE A LITTLE BIT UP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THEN A BIG BUMP. 
          BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOT 5.8%, NOT UNREASONABLE, BUT THEN WE GET UP INTO THE SIX FIGURES AND THERE'S A SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT BUMP, BUT 44.8, THIS PERSON ACTUALLY IS NOT MAKING A, ACCORDING TO THE DATA GIVEN US, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE AN EXTRA 1300 AND THEN A 53%, A 34.8, A 23.4 I, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF COMPANIES, YOU HIRE SOMEBODY. 
          AND, AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WE HIRED THREE MONTHS AGO, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING YOU NEED A 30,000 INCREASE TO GET TO MARKET. 
          BUT WHEN YOU HIRED 'EM THREE MONTHS AGO, I WOULD ARGUE ECONOMICALLY THAT WAS MARKET. 
          UNLESS WE PROMISE THEM WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A $30,000 PAY INCREASE. 
          MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HIRED RECENTLY ARE BEEN HIRED AT MARKET. 
          IT'S YOUR EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THAT ARE AFFECTED PREDOMINANTLY BY THE PARITY. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOWS IN HERE BECAUSE IF I TAKE THE SAME POSITION THAT EXISTED LAST YEAR MM-HMM. 
           AND EXISTED A YEAR BEFORE, THERE'S A HUGE INCREASE, LIKE 20, 30% INCREASE IN SOME PEOPLE. 
          SO THE, I'M NOT TRYING TO CALL OUT THE PEOPLE. 
          SURE. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I DO FEEL LIKE, I'LL JUST SAY IT, IT FEELS LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LOYALTY THING. 
          HERE'S HOW I CAN BREED THE MOST LOYALTY IS I CAN PAY MY PEOPLE THE MOST AND IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO BE THE BAD GUYS TO TAKE THE MONEY AWAY. 
          BUT I, I CAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DID THIS, BUT IF IT WAS ME IN YOUR SHOES, I'D SAY, LOOK, I OFFERED, I TRIED TO GET YOU A 25,000 INCREASE. 
          COUNCIL SAID NO, AND IN MY MIND WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS, I WOULD THINK IS, HEY, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT BELOW MARKET. 
          WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU LIKE 6% PAY BUMPS FOR SO MANY YEARS TO GET YOU UP THERE. 
          NOT JUST A 40% PAY BUMP TO GET YOU UP THERE BECAUSE YOU DID HIRE 'EM SIX MONTHS AGO AND THEY SEEM TO LIKE THE JOB. 
          AND SO NOW THEY'RE HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE GIVING 'EM 20, 30,000 MORE. 
          IT'S, IT'S CAPPED AT 10. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THIS 20 TO 30,000 MORE. 
          WELL, SO LET, LET, LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT SEEING THE DATA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT ANSWER, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT, PARTICULARLY ON THE SWORN SIDE THAT DID GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY. 
          AND THE NON-SWORN, 
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OKAY. 
          SO I'M STARTING THERE BECAUSE WE DID AS A BODY AND AS AN ORGANIZATION, INVEST HEAVILY IN PD LAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN PERCENTAGES ARE BIGGER WHENEVER THE PAY IS LOWER. 
          SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WHO WERE LIKE UNDER $20 AN HOUR AND THEY GOT RAISED TO $20 AN HOUR. 
          AND THAT'S A BIG PERCENTAGE. 
          IF YOU GO FROM 18 TO 20, THAT THAT'S A BIG PERCENTAGE. 
          RIGHT? $18 AN HOUR TO $20 AN HOUR, THAT'S A BIG PERCENTAGE. 
          BUT THE ONES THAT I THINK ARE REALLY BIG, I'M, I'M ALMOST BETTING THAT EITHER IT WAS ONLY PARTIALLY FUNDED FOR THE YEAR AND NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE FULL FUNDING FOR THE YEAR. 
          SO THEREFORE IT LOOKS LIKE A MUCH BIGGER PERCENT, OR THAT POSITION WAS VACANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, EXPENDITURE IN THERE. 
          I THINK SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE AT PLAY, BUT I CAN'T TELL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO COME AND SHOW ME SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY, THEN I CAN ANSWER, UM, IF SOMEONE GOT PROMOTED AND TOOK A DIFFERENT JOB WITH A DIFFERENT PAY THAT WOULD SHOW THAT THAT PERSON HAS, HAS POTENTIALLY HAD A PAY INCREASE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSITIONS THEN, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN GO BACK AND, UH, IDENTIFY LIKE WHAT THE POSITIONS WERE MAKING THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND, AND SEE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE CHANGES ARE. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOME SPECIFICALLY THAT Y'ALL WANT TO EMAIL OR THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEND THEM OVER AND THEN I CAN LOOK AT IT AND GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. 
          AND IF IT IS THAT THE POSITION WENT UP BY 40%, THEN I'LL HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS TOO. 
          SO, SO MY PROPOSAL INSTEAD OF GETTING IN ON INDIVIDUAL ONES OR LOOKING AT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAPPED THE SALARY INCREASE INSTEAD AT 10 K TO MAKE IT 5K, UM, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD, WE COULD GET THE NUMBER FROM THE, THE CITY MANAGER OF HOW MUCH THAT WOULD REDUCE, UM, TOWARDS THAT 2.0 'CAUSE $750,000 DIVIDED BY 150. 
          NO, BUT IT'S NOT THAT WAY BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GET IT. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT EVERYBODY'S GETTING, NOW THAT'S, I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T. 
          SO HOW MUCH WOULD THAT SAVE IF WE CAPPED IT 5K IF I CAP IT AT FIVE? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE FURTHER THAN 5,000 AWAY FROM WHERE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN YOUR MARKET, THEN YOU WOULD ONLY GET 5,000. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE CLOSER THAN 5,000, YOU WOULD GET WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MM-HMM, , OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU NEED TO GO FROM 70 TO 90, YOU WOULD GO TO 75 5. 
          BUT IF YOU NEED TO GO TO 70 TO 73, YOU GO TO 73. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND DOLLAR AMOUNTS. 
          BECAUSE TO ME, AND THAT'S WHAT IT HAS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALREADY DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          PERCENTAGES IS WHAT, WELL, THE REASON I DIDN'T USE PERCENTAGES IS BECAUSE PERCENTAGES, UH, IN, IN INADVERTENTLY FAVOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE MAKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND YOU'RE GONNA DO 5%, THAT'S A $5,000 RAISE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING 40,000 AND IT'S, AND IT'S A, AND IT'S A A AND PERCENT, I SAID 5% RIGHT? THEY GET $2,000, THEY GET $2,000. 
          SO BY DOING IT BY A DOLLAR CAP, THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE LESS WHO ARE FURTHER BEHIND ARE ABLE TO GET A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF PAY RAISE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING MORE HAVE TO SUFFER LONGER. 
          BASICALLY. 
          THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. 
          THAT'S IF YOU DO 5% ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          BUT IF YOU SAID WE'RE ONLY GONNA GIVE 3% OR WE'RE GONNA GET 4% ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU DETERMINE SOME PEOPLE WILL GET SIX AND SEVEN. 
          SOME PEOPLE, 'CAUSE I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, A PERSON MAKING 180, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY KEEP GETTING 3% RAISES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE LAYING ASPHALT AT 48,000 A YEAR. 
          AND TO ME, INFLATION COSTS EVERYTHING HURT THAT PERSON. 
          SO IF THEY GET A 5% RAISE AND ONE OF OUR HYATT PEOPLE GETS A 2% RAISE, THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. 
          AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T BOTHER THEM BECAUSE, WELL THEY'RE MAKING LIKE 200 GRAND A YEAR. 
          SO WHAT I'VE SEEN SOME COMPANIES DO IS WE'RE ONLY INCREASING PAY X PERCENT, FIGURE IT OUT AND THEN SOME PEOPLE WILL GET EIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, IF I GIVE THIS PERSON 10 WHO'S NOT GETTING FIVE OR WHO'S NOT GETTING FOUR, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GO LINE BY LINE EACH POSITION. 
          BUT I ALSO KNOW MOST COMPANIES AND HALF OF US UP HERE ARE GOING THROUGH SITUATIONS AT, AT COMPANIES, THEY SET A BUDGET AND PEOPLE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT. 
          AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS NOT SO MUCH A DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENT IS, BUT HERE'S A PERCENT INCREASE IN SALARY FOR EXISTING PEOPLE. 
          YOU CAN DO IT AS COLA MERIT, UM, WHATEVER PARITY, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          BUT THIS IS A MAX. 
          AND THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING THE MAX PAY FOR SEVERAL YEARS WAITING TO GET UP TO THEIR, THEIR NEW POSITION AND THEY DON'T JUST JUMP UP NEW POSITION 40,000 MORE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING I I I, I LOVE PROMOTING FROM WITHIN, BUT AS A PERSON TOLD ME, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING IN HERE SO I CAN BE AN EXPERT. 
          AND I SAID, WELL, BUT YOU'RE GETTING PAID TO BE AN EXPERT. 
          AND SO THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PAYING SOME PEOPLE TOP OF THE MARKET, LIKE THEY HAVE 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN REALITY, THEY MAY HAVE TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. 
          AND TO ME, WITH TWO YEARS EXPERIENCE, 
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THEY GET PAID DRAMATICALLY LESS AND WE INVEST IN TRAINING AND THEN AS THEY GET TRAINED, THEIR WAGES GO UP ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY AS THEY GO UP, WE'RE TRAINING THEM LESS AND THEY GET PAID MORE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE, IT APPEARS A LOT OF MONEY WITH A LOT OF TRAINING AND, UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE POSITIONS I'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO HOW THAT'S ALL DONE, I'M TRYING NOT TO BE A JERK, BUT HOW THAT'S ALL DONE IS WHERE I THINK SOME OF THIS, AND WE'RE NOT SAVING MILLIONS HERE, BUT WE'RE SAVING MONEY. 
          SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHEN YOU, YOU DO LOOK AT THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A JOB RATE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M A MANAGER, I MANAGE PEOPLE AND I DEAL WITH BUDGET STUFF. 
          LIKE, LIKE THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, WHEN WE HAVE A PARTICULAR JOB GRADE COMES IN, THERE'S BASICALLY LIKE THE MIDPOINT WOULD BE LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT AT THIS JOB, WHICH WOULD BE THE MARKET RATE. 
          BUT WE HAVE A RANGE OF LIKE 80% OF THAT VALUE UP TO 120% OF THAT VALUE. 
          AND THAT'S THE SALARY RANGE FOR THAT POSITION. 
          AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU PROMOTE SOMEBODY, BECAUSE THERE'S GAPS BETWEEN THE JOB GRADE, SO THEY DON'T JUST OVERLAP, MAYBE THEY DO AT THE ONE 20 TO THE 80% OVERLAP. 
          SO WHEN THEY GET THE PROMOTION, THEY GO TO MAYBE 85% OF THE NEW JOB GRADE. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GROWN INTO THAT ROLE FULLY BECAUSE YOU PROMOTED THEM. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT DOING AS IF SOMEONE WHO'D BEEN IN THAT ROLE FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          SO, SO THEY GET LESS, BUT THAT'S STILL MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS JOB GRADE. 
          SO THEY MAY GET A PAY BUMP OF 10%, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONLY WITHIN THE THING. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE AT 85 AND THEN THEY CAN'T GET TILL THEY GET PROMOTED AGAIN. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THAT JOB RANGE IF THEY'RE THERE 10 YEARS. 
          I MEAN, EVENTUALLY THEY MAY HIT THE MAX AND JUST BE LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE MAXED OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT KIND OF AN ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE YOU HAVE SET UP? AND IF NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS. 
          NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS BUDGET, BUT I THINK LONG TERM THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THE, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE THE STRUCTURE SET UP RIGHT NOW IS THE, GOING BACK TO THE SALARY SURVEY, WHICH IS THE DATA THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR AND THAT WE PREPARED AND WE PRESENTED THE, THE CITIES THAT WERE ON THAT LIST ARE THE, ARE THE CITIES THAT THE COUNCIL SET AS THEIR, AS THEIR COMPARISON AND THEIR, AND THEIR FISCAL POLICY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE CITIES THAT WE USED AND WE ASKED FOR THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE WORK, THE, THE SALARY RANGE OF THAT RIGHT. 
          OF OF US BEING THE 50TH PERCENTILE THAT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SALARY OF A, OF A STARTING EMPLOYEE WITH MINIMUM PAY, NOT SOMEONE WHO'S TENURED OR EXPERIENCED OR WHATEVER ELSE. 
          SO IF THAT JOB REQUIRES FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE PAC FOR THAT POSITION. 
          THEN WHAT WE DO IS, THIS IS WHAT, HOW A PD WORKS TOO. 
          SO YOU HAVE A PD OFFICER WHO IS LICENSED, NO EXPERIENCE, THEY'RE ABLE TO BE THE FIRST STEP OF THE PAY GRADE FOR POLICE OFFICER. 
          THEY HAVE FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. 
          THEN THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A LATERAL TRANSFER. 
          A HIGHER, SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN MINIMUM. 
          THE REASON THAT YOU DO THAT IS SO THAT WHENEVER YOU ARE RECRUITING EXPERIENCED PEOPLE, YOU ARE ABLE TO OFFER THEM MORE THAN WHAT THE MINIMUM RE UH, YOU KNOW, SALARY WAS FOR MINIMUM EXPERIENCE. 
          AND IT ALSO HELPS YOUR EXISTING STAFF TO WHERE I'M NOT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAY BECAUSE I'M, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP. 
          AND THEN YOU GO AND HIRE SOMEONE MAKING THE SAME AMOUNT THAT I MAKE AFTER I'VE BEEN HERE AND MORE EXPERIENCED AND, AND BETTER. 
          I'M NOT NEEDING TO BE TRAINED. 
          ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          WHENEVER YOU MOVE CLASSIFICATIONS, YOU GO TO THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CLASSIFICATION, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD GO DOWN TO THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CLASSIFICATION UNLESS YOU'RE MAKE, UNLESS YOU'VE ALREADY PROGRESSED MORE THAN THAT ONE, IN WHICH CASE YOU GO TO THE STEP THAT IS CLOSEST TO WHAT YOU'RE MAKING, BUT NOT A PAY CUT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING IT FOR PD AND I JUST COPIED THAT INTO THE REST OF THE ORGANIZATION. 
          SO, AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO BE AT 50TH PERCENT, I MEAN, I GET IT, IT IS, SOME OF THESE POSITIONS DO PAY A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEIR COUNTERPARTS AT THE OTHER CITIES ARE ALSO PAYING A LOT OF MONEY TOO. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE COMPARING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, DELL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE'RE COMPARING AGAINST THAT OTHER POOL OF CITIES. 
          AND THEN WE SHOULD REDO OUR SALARY SURVEY PROBABLY NEXT YEAR AND SEE WHERE THE SALARIES ARE AT FOR THAT POOL AGAIN AND SEE WHERE THE 50TH PERCENTILE IS AND THEN SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF OUR PARITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO, UH, HELP US OR IF WE'RE NOW NOT 50TH PERCENTILE, BUT MAYBE NOW WE'RE 60TH PERCENTILE, WHICH CASE THAT AFFECTS FUTURE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE DO. 
          ALSO, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, JUST ONE LAST THING I WAS SAYING ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME COMPLAIN ABOUT SOME OF THE LESS QUALIFIED PEOPLE WE HAD IN CITI AND AS WE'VE 
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UPPED OUR BENEFITS, MAINTAIN THESE THINGS AND DO THIS, WE'RE GETTING BETTER CANDIDATES THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD. 
          BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU HAVING ANOTHER CITY ENGINEER THAT WE HAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO WILL COST COST US WAY MORE THAN WHAT THEIR SALARY IS. 
          I THINK YOU CAN ATTEST TO THIS. 
          UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU CUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU'RE BASICALLY GONNA SAY THE APPLICANTS WILL GET GOING FORWARD ARE GONNA BE MORE LIKE THOSE INDIVIDUALS, NOT LIKE THE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE THE CITY ENGINEER WE HAVE NOW. 
          SO THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN POSITIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE POSITIONS THAT ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO HIRE FOR THAN OTHERS AND MORE DIFFICULT TO RETAIN PEOPLE. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, SOME, SOME POSITIONS MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A TARGET THAT'S 80% INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, 50% GOING IN, YOU KNOW, SO, OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S DIFFERENTIATION. 
          I'M SORRY COUNSEL. 
          UM, SO YOU SAID WE, WE WE DID 250 K LAST YEAR, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE, SO WE'VE GOT 789,997 THIS YEAR. 
          I, YES. 
          SO THAT'S MORE THAN TRIPLE. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP MAKING PROGRESS THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IF WE DID 500,000 THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT WE'VE PUT TOWARDS PARITY AND WE'VE TAKEN $289,000 OFF OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO I SECOND THAT SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING IT WASN'T THAT IT WAS 800 K TO THE POLICE PLUS 200. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          SO IT WAS A MILLION THAT'S TRUE. 
          VERSUS 7 89. 
          SO IT'S LESS THIS YEAR THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR, BUT TOWARDS THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES IT'S NOT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M JUST SAYING, SO MY COMMENTS ARE IN WORKING WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE MAYOR HAS, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON ON, UH, POTENTIALLY DECREASING THIS FROM 7 89, I GUESS IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          CORRECT. 
          I WAS SAYING INSTEAD OF DOING AND DECRE DECREASING IT TO, UM, A, YOU KNOW, 500,000 AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAID LA LAST YEAR, WHENEVER, UM, 800,000 WAS PROPOSED FOR THE PD, UH, ULTIMATELY WE ENDED UP CUTTING IT BACK DOWN TO 500,000. 
          SO, UH, SO THEY GOT 500,000 LAST YEAR. 
          SO THEN THIS YEAR THE REST OF THE CITY WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO 500. 
          HE FIGURED IT OUT RIGHT WHENEVER THAT LIKE CURVE BALL WAS KIND OF THROWN AT HIM. 
          BUT I ASKED HIM FOR THE CAP INCREASE IF WE PUT IT TO FIVE. 
          I THINK I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, LIKE SOMETIMES LIKE, LET'S JUST BE, LET'S YOU KNOW, LET'S, HOW WE DID WITH THE PD, WE, IT WAS A DIFFICULT TASK FOR HIM TO DO. 
          HE HAD TO GET WITH THE CHIEF, THEY HAD TO EVALUATE, THEY HAD TO CREATE THE STEP SYSTEM THAT HE CURRENTLY HAS THAT HE'S TRYING TO MIMIC HERE WITH THE REST OF THE CITY STAFF. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO, UM, SO DECREASING IT TO THE 500,000, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING THERE, WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS IT. 
          WE'RE NOT FULLY FUNDING IT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT, NOT THERE AS A CITY RIGHT. 
          AS FAR AS BUDGETING, UH, FOR THIS. 
          SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO 500,000, UH, FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, JUST KIND OF TO REPEAT SOME OF THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, CLARK HAD. 
          UM, ABSOLUTELY THIS DOES, UH, CREATE A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR, UH, VERY QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND TO RECRUIT EXPERIENCED FOLKS, I MEAN WE HAVE GOTTEN, UH, IN MY OPINION, WE'VE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW, UH, JUST LIKE TOP-NOTCH PEOPLE AND TALKING WITH UM, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH UM, HCU, JUST THE DEPART DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOTTEN TO CAME ACROSS. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, THEY ARE, THEY, THEY'RE THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS IN THEIR JOB. 
          THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THEY'RE HIGHLY QUALIFIED. 
          THEY LOVE WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY LOVE THE CITY OF HU AND THEY HAVE PASSION, RIGHT? LIKE JUST ALL AROUND, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF PEOPLE. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE TOP TIER PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT ONLY TRICKLES DOWN TO LIKE THEIR, UM, THEIR TEAMS, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, SO IT DOES CREATE A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT WE CAN'T GET THESE, UM, QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 
          I DO REMEMBER, UH, IN MY, IN MY JOB, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF HUDA WAS ABLE TO RECRUIT SOMEBODY AWAY FROM THEIR PREVIOUS JOB. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE THAT PERSON WHO HAS ALL OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AT A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT AGENCY. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE THAT PERSON WHO'S SUPER QUALIFIED CAN BRING ALL THEIR KNOWLEDGE TO THE CITY AND JUST BRING US UP TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, TO THAT LEVEL. 
          SO I DO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, BUT I AM ALSO WILLING TO, UM, WORK TO KIND OF BRING THIS DOWN TO 500,000. 
          WELL, I'M JUST SAYING YOU NEVER HEARD MY DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          I WAS ASKING FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE, IF WE CAPPED IT AT 5K MAX INCREASE, WHAT WOULD THAT MAKE OUR PARODY FOR THE GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR? SO IF, IF YOU, WHETHER YOU CAPPED IT AT FIVE OR YOU SET IT AT 500,000, BOTH OF THOSE SOLUTIONS WORK. 
          SO A $5,000 CAP TO WHERE NO ONE IS RECEIVING MORE THAN 5,000 IN PARITY. 
          UM, BUT MY CALCULATION GETS US REALLY CLOSE TO 500,000. 
          SO 
          [02:20:03]
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS WORKING IN THIS BUILDING AND WORKING AS A POLICE OFFICER, WE KEEP COMPARING EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING TO THE POLICE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COMPARE THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT, IT'S 50% VERSUS 80%. 
          HOW IS THAT THE SAME MAYOR WE HAVE 80%, HE'S TRYING TO DO A STEP PAY PLAN BASED ON, BUT HIS IS 80% FOR POLICE, IT'S 50% FOR CITY. 
          SO THAT IS ALREADY A VERY BIG DELINEATION. 
          WE'RE PAYING THE TOP 20% OF ALL POLICE OFFICERS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          WE'RE PAYING MID RATE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          SO I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          NO, THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. 
          NO, NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T I GUESS DIVIDE THE TWO. 
          'CAUSE A POLICE OFFICER IS A CERTAIN KIND OF A PERSON THEY WANNA SERVE. 
          THEY DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR JOBS. 
          RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN NOBODY'S COMPLAIN UP HERE COMPLAINING, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE, HEY, I NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE I WORK OUT IN THE FIELD AND IT'S SUPER DANGEROUS. 
          THESE ARE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE CHOSEN THIS CAREER PATH BECAUSE OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO, OR THEIR DESIRE, THEIR PASSION AND THEIR WANTING TO SERVE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS SOMEONE WHO IS IN THE CITY SIDE, SOMEONE WHO SITS AT A DESK IN A CUBICLE ON THEIR COMPUTER IN THE AC, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, YOU KNOW, THE LIVING, THE LUXURY LIFE, I I DON'T THINK QUOTE UNQUOTE LUXURY LIFE LIKE THAT HAS SAID TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO SERVE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF THE CITY. 
          AND UM, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DUMB YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S JUST DIFFERENT KIND DEPARTMENTS AND HOW PEOPLE WORK AND THE, THE NEEDS AND THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN BE PAR CAN BE COMPARED AND BE PUT UP AGAINST ONE ONE ANOTHER LIKE THE PD UP AGAINST, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF. 
          LIKE SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN THE BUILDING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S UNFAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S UNFAIR IS I GOT FOUR WORDS IN, SORRY. 
          AND SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING QUITE YET. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU, YOU'RE NOT COMPLETELY WRONG. 
          I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT LAST YEAR WE HAD 20 SOMETHING VACANCIES IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO SERVE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T PAY RENT, THEY'RE NOT WORKING. 
          AND YOU SAY NO ONE'S COMPLAINING. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THEY DON'T COMPLAIN. 
          WHAT THEY DID IS THEY JUST LEFT THE, THEY LEFT THE FIELD AND THEY WENT TO ANOTHER FIELD AND THEY WORKED FOR A TECH COMPANY. 
          THEY LAWN MOWING COMPANY, PAINT COMPANY. 
          THEY WORKED RETAIL. 
          THEY DID, DID WHEREVER THEY COULD. 
          I MEAN THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER THAT USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF HU THAT I JUST SAW TODAY. 
          THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE CITY OF HU 'CAUSE THEY MAKE MORE MONEY AT ANOTHER ORGANIZATION. 
          AND I SAW THEM TODAY. 
          SO I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COMPARE BECAUSE IT'S DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT POSITIONS. 
          THE CITY MANAGERS NOT COME TO US AND SAID, GUYS, WE GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM. 
          IF WE DON'T GIVE MAJOR BUMP INCREASES ON THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE, WE ARE NOT GONNA GET THIS CORE SERVICE OF THE CITY DONE. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION OTHER THAN WE ALMOST HAD IT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I THINK HAVING IN PAID MORE, I DON'T IT, IT IS ALMOST LIKE WHAT COUNCILOR CLARK SAID ABOUT ENGINEER. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA, THERE'S SOME POSITIONS I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE A POOR CITY ENGINEER, WELL YOU'LL GO SPEND $10 MILLION ON A ROAD AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN FIND OUT, WELL THAT WAS A MISTAKE. 
          AND SO YOU SAVED YOURSELF 50 GRAND IN SALARY AND SPENT MILLIONS. 
          WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           POLICE, WE WERE PAYING THESE GUYS 48, 50 2000 A YEAR AND SAYING GO OUT WORK MIDNIGHTS, WORK 12 HOUR DAYS AND BE HAPPY. 
          DON'T KICK ANYBODY'S BUTT, DON'T BEAT ANYBODY UP. 
          BE POLITE, DON'T BREAK ANY RULES AND COME TO WORK EVERY DAY HAPPY. 
          THAT DOESN'T WORK AT 52 GRAND A YEAR. 
          AND SO THEY'RE GETTING PAID IF ANYBODY INSIDE THIS BUILDING AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE HEARING THIS, IF THEY, TO ME, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, IF YOU WANNA MAKE POLICE OFFICER PAY, YOU WANNA WORK MIDNIGHTS, YOU WANNA WORK HOLIDAYS, YOU WANNA WORK OUT IN THE SNOW AND THE RAIN AND ALL THAT, UM, AND YOU WANNA POTENTIALLY BE KILLED EVERY TIME YOU DO YOUR JOB, THEN GO BE A COP. 
          THEY'RE HIRING. 
          BUT THERE'S CERTAIN PEOPLE INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT MAKE MORE THAN OFFICERS. 
          THERE'S EVEN PEOPLE, AND AGAIN, I'LL HAVE TO MEET WITH YOU ONE ON ONE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET IN A POSITION BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S LISTENING RIGHT NOW. 
          EVERY, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE. 
          BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE THAT'S MAYBE NOT AS HIGHLY SKILLED OF A JOB AS OTHER SKILLED JOBS AND THEY MAKE MORE THAN THE SKILLED PEOPLE. 
          AND SO I ASKED MYSELF, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFICATIONS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE EDUCATION AND ALL THAT, HOW ARE YOU MAKING MORE OR LESS THAN THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T REQUIRE ALL THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO WHERE SOMEONE OVER HERE SAID IT. 
          THERE'S A POINT IN TIME WHERE YOU JUST CAP OUT AND YOU GET LIKE A 2% INCREASE EVERY YEAR AND IT'S LIKE, SORRY, THAT IS THE MOST YOU GET. 
          YOU DO GREAT WORK, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, BUT IF YOU WANNA MAKE MORE, YOU NEED EDUCATION CERTIFICATION. 
          THERE'S OTHER ROLES. 
          AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT WE DO IS WE REALLY LIKE PEOPLE, WE FIND THEM ANOTHER ROLE TO GET THEM PAY THAT THEY REALLY WANT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THEM. 
          AND I GET THAT. 
          BUT SOMETIMES YOU LOSE A PERSON AND IT'S OKAY IF THEY LEAVE ON A GOOD REASON 
          [02:25:01]
AND THEY GO TO ANOTHER CITY AND THEY DO GREAT. 
          'CAUSE HALF THE PEOPLE I DEAL WITH IN MY DAY JOB USED TO WORK IN HUDU AND THEY LOVED HUDU. 
          THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF JUDO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I RUN THEM ALL THE TIME AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          AND IF YOU GO TO A BIGGER CITY TO MAKE BIGGER MONEY, IT'S OKAY. 
          AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE LIKE AUSTIN POLICE ARE TIRED OF MAKING MORE MONEY. 
          MONEY AND THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE LESS TO NOT DEAL WITH AUSTIN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S A, WELL I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THIS AS SIMPLE WITH THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY HAS THE ISSUE OF THE PAY. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD ALWAYS SAY I COULD USE MORE MONEY. 
          BUT FROM A MARKETING, HIRING, STAFFING STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TELL ME THAT ALL 150 EMPLOYEES NEED BIG INCREASES IN PAY TO STAY COMPETITIVE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM YOU JUST HIRED RECENTLY AND THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING PAY INCREASES. 
          AND TO ME THAT SET THE MARKET REGARDLESS OF THIS OTHER STUDY THAT SET THE MARKET THEY'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW, HEALTH INSURANCE FOR FREE LIFE, HEALTH, DENTAL, EYE, THEY GET HSA CONTRIBUTIONS IF THEY WANNA TRADE THAT IN FOR A HIGHER PAYING JOB WHERE THEY COULD GET LAID OFF, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR BENEFITS CUT WHEN THERE'S A RECESSION. 
          A LOT OF COMPANIES, YOU GUYS KNOW, SOME OF THEM, THEY CUT THEIR 401K, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT CITY EMPLOYEES GET TWO TO ONE MATCH. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY HAVE TO GIVE 8%. 
          BUT MY COMPANY, I GET 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR UP TO 6% IF I UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM RIGHT, I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE 8% BUT I WOULD GET $2 FOR EVERY DOLLAR I PUT IN. 
          THAT'S NOT A BAD GIG. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT THAT COME THAT YOU, THAT'S WHY I SAY YOU CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE GREAT BENEFITS, GREAT PERKS AND GREAT PAY. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE A MASS EXODUS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET A 20% PAY INCREASE THIS YEAR OR A 10 OR EVEN A FIVE, THEN I THINK THEY'RE TAKING THEIR CHANCES. 
          AND I DO DISAGREE WITH PORTERFIELD A LITTLE BIT ON THE BENEFITS TO WHERE IF PAY IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT YOU CAN GET IN A PRIVATE, BUT YOU GET THE GREAT BENEFITS, THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT I AM WITH THEM, I DO AGREE WITH THEM. 
          IF WE WANNA GIVE THEM HIGH PAY AND PAY 'EM WHAT YOU CAN MAKE IN A PRIVATE FIELD OR CLOSE TO IT, WELL THEN YOU GOTTA CUT THE BENEFITS. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN'T, WELL I HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED THE, UH, TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT TO MY CALCULATION, UH, $275,000 ACROSS THE BOARD AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          30 MINUTE HIJACK ON. 
          YEAH, NO WORRIES. 
          IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          WELL BRIAN, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, CAN I MAKE ONE JUST ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT ON ON THE THE STATEMENT, SO THE MAYOR WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO BE PAYING EQUIVALENT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT OUR, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, OUR PARITY PAY AND OUR STUDY WAS BASED ON COMPARING WITH OTHER CITIES, NOT WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOT COMPARING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          WE'RE COMPARING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN CITY GOVERNMENT AND THE LIST OF THE CITIES THAT THE COUNCIL HAD ADOPTED, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES, WHICH IS WHO YOU'RE ACTUALLY COMPETING AGAINST FOR PERSONNEL. 
          CAN YOU SHARE THAT STUDY WITH US JUST SO WE IT'S BEEN SHARED BEFORE, BUT YES, I'LL SHARE IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN THAT THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENTED ON LAST YEAR. 
          OH. 
          WHEN WE CAME WITH THE PD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO RAISE PD ABOVE THE, THE 50TH PERCENTILE? AND THE COUNCIL DID AGREE THAT WE GO TO THE 80TH PERCENTILE FOR THE PD AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          AND WE TOOK THE MONEY AND WE APPLIED IT AND WE MADE THE PD 80TH PERCENTILE AND THE REST OF THE STAFF ARE 50TH PERCENTILE. 
          SO IS THAT IN THE, UH, IS THAT GONNA BE IN LIKE OUR, UM, EXCUSE ME, IN OUR FOLDER SHARE FOLDER, WHATEVER WE CALL THAT THING? IS THAT GONNA BE, IF YOU JUST TELL ME WHERE TO GO LOOK, I'LL GO FIND IT. 
          I'LL, I'LL HAVE THEM DROP IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOLDER. 
          SO IT'S JUST SIMPLE TO FIND. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO, I MEAN I KNOW WE'RE COMPETING, THE MARKET WE'RE COMPETING IN IS THE AUSTIN AREA MARKET. 
          I GET THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, HOW MANY TOWNS ARE OUR SIZE IN THE AUSTIN AREA? SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE, WE CAN'T COMPARE OURSELVES TO ROUND ROCK. 
          WE CAN'T COMPARE OURSELVES TO LEANDER AND GEORGETOWN. 
          MAYBE TAYLOR, MAYBE DELVAL, MAYBE MANOR. 
          RIGHT? SO, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, THE COUNCIL EVAN IS FINE, SIR. 
          . 
          , SORRY. 
          OLD HABITS. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          . 
          UM, UM, OKAY. 
          I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. 
           THREW IT OFF. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT, THAT CHOSE THE CITIES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOOD TO KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE COUNCIL CHOSE THE CITIES AND SAID THESE ARE THE CITIES WE'RE COMPARING AGAINST. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER, ARGUABLY SOME OF THEM ARE SMALLER, ARGUABLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND THE BALANCE. 
          I GET THAT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS WHY THE COUNCIL, I, I BELIEVE, ELECTED TO CHOOSE THE 50TH PERCENTILE, THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. 
          BECAUSE IF IT, GOING BACK TO A SINGLE POSITION, SAY THE MEDIA POSITION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THAT POSITION MAY PAY MORE IN GEORGETOWN THAN IT WOULD HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT MAY PAY MORE HERE THAN IT WOULD IN SEIN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH, I GOTCHA. 
          UM, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST. 
          BRIAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          WELL, YOU WERE JUST, YOU JUST MEANT THE FIRST ONE. 
          CAN I NOT, CAN I FINISH? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU WERE JUST MENTIONING TRAINING AND, AND I, 
          [02:30:01]
I WANTED YOU TO KEEP GOING WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DO AGREE WITH TRAINING. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST KEEP GOING WITH THAT. 
          SO ON THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, AND THESE ARE JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, IF WE CUT ALL OF THESE A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT'D BE MY CALCULATION. 
          5.228 MILLION. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT EVERYTHING A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          WE'RE NOT CUTTING OUT ALL INSURANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, I'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND, AND REFILTER EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S 275,000 ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR EVERYBODY. 
          NOW THAT INCLUDES, THAT INCLUDES, UM, $34,300 FOR CITY COUNCIL TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WE ALL NEED HELP, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED $34,000 WORTH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE CUT IN HALF OR A QUARTER. 
          BUT THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK, EXCUSE ME, I GOT A MINT IN MY MOUTH. 
          UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND WE LOOK AT THAT 50TH PERCENTILE, ARE WE JUST LOOKING AT SALARIES OR ARE WE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING? BECAUSE THE BENEFIT OF HEALTH INSURANCE IS HUGE. 
          THE BENEFIT OF A CAR ALLOWANCE IS HUGE. 
          THE BENEFIT OF TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT IS HUGE. 
          ANYWHERE I GO THAT I'VE BEEN, IF I DID TRAINING NUMBER ONE, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC TO MY JOB AND I HAD TO SIGN A CONTRACT SAYING THAT I WAS GOING TO STAY THERE IF I GOT THAT TRAINING. 
          AND IF I BROKE IT, I HAD TO PAY IT BACK AND THEY WERE JUST GONNA TAKE IT OUTTA MY PAYCHECK WHETHER I LIKED IT OR NOT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TOLD ME, AND NOT TO HARP ON THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DEAL 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S A FINE PLACE TO START. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S AN OLD SAYING AND SOMEONE REMINDED ME LAST WEEK THAT IF YOU COUNT THE PENNIES, THE DOLLARS WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF LITTLE STUFF THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT OF BIG STUFF. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH AND UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          WE'VE GOT $324,000 IN SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT ALL OF THOSE, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR SOME OF THOSE. 
          WE NEED TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ASK, CAN YOU DONATE THIS A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE DADDY DAUGHTER DANCE? IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THERE ARE, I KNOW OF ONE BUSINESS THAT'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I KNOW OF TWO GET BUSINESSES THAT'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO MAYBE WE NEED TO GO DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, $275,000 TRAVEL AND LODGING. 
          $61,000 TUITION REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR $20,000. 
          I DON'T LIKE, PEOPLE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK TAX DOLLARS NEED TO PAY SOMEONE'S TUITION. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A DEBATE IN THIS COUNTRY ABOUT THAT ANYWAY. 
          UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          VEHICLE ALLOWANCE, $24,000. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU'RE A INSPECTOR, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GET A VEHICLE ALLOWANCE DRIVE AROUND. 
          CITY EMPLOYEE FUNCTIONS $24,450. 
          UM, UH, ANYWAY, UH, LONGEVITY, $58,000. 
          TO ME, THAT'S A, A GOVERNMENT, UM, EMPLOYEE BENEFIT THAT I HAVE RECEIVED BEFORE. 
          BUT IN THE PRIVATE WORLD, YOU DON'T GET. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A, IT'S A THING. 
          ALL FOOD AND MEALS, UM, INCLUDING THE $8,000 FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, $46,853. 
          AND THEN SPECIFIC TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, IF WE CUT OUT, UH, IF WE, UM, WELL WE WON'T CUT OUT THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          LET'S SAY WE CUT THAT IN HALF. 
          WE GET RID OF OUR FOOD MEALS, WE GET RID OF $6,000 IN SALARIES 'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO BE PAID. 
          UM, THE CONTRIBUTION TO C PROGRAMS, $208,000 THAT'S GIVING TAX DOLLARS TO NONPROFITS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BELIEVE IN BASED ON WHATEVER THEIR BELIEF IS. 
          DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. 
          UM, MAYBE WE NEED TO CUT THAT OUT. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO CUT THAT IN HALF. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT. 
          AND THAT'S ON MY LIST. 
          I I WE DON'T, WE CAN GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE, BRIAN. 
          I MEAN THAT'S A BIG CAN OF WORMS. YOU OPEN WITH ME, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS WE CAN GO THROUGH JUST IN, IN THAT WHERE WE CAN CHOP OUT A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONE THAT I LIKED, UH, WAS THE, THE TRAINING. 
          I THINK THAT ME LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, THE TRAINING WAS EXTENSIVE IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, I DO THINK TRAINING IS VERY VALUABLE, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PARAMETER THAT I HAVE IS TO RELATE IT TO, YOU KNOW, MY JOB AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO TRAININGS. 
          I, I'D PROBABLY SAY ONCE A QUARTER, UM, MAYBE TWICE A QUARTER. 
          AND A LOT OF THOSE, UM, ARE DONE ONLINE. 
          AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THE CITY, WE HAVE OUR LINKEDIN LEARNING, UH, ACCOUNT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WITH THE LIBRARY CARD HAS ACCESS TO, TO LINKEDIN LEARNING. 
          AND SO, UM, KNOWING THAT, I, I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A VALUABLE TRAINING FOR ME TO GO TO OR OUR DEPARTMENT TO GO TO THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S THE TRAINING THAT WE SELECT FOR THAT YEAR, 
          [02:35:01]
MAYBE THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE FUND, RIGHT. 
          FOR THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF A DEPARTMENT DID A TRAINING LAST THIS YEAR, MAYBE THEY SKIP IT THIS UPCOMING YEAR AND THEY GO NEXT YEAR AND THEY GIVE THAT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          WE KIND OF DO A, AN AN ALTERNATING TRAINING FOR, FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO POTENTIALLY, UH, TO SAVE A LITTLE HERE AND THERE, UH, UTILIZING DIFFERENT RESOURCES AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE MAKE, UH, LINKEDIN LEARNINGS, UM, A REQUIREMENT ACROSS, UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, BASED ON WHAT'S OUT THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS POTENTIALLY, UH, CHECKING IN THE BOX IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEIR, UH, EMPLOYEES GET THE TRAINING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR, FOR SAVING IN THE TRAINING AREA. 
          SO TO RESPOND TO THAT, UM, THERE'S 139,000 IN TRAINING FOR PD ALONE. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T TRAIN YOUR POLICE OFFICERS THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS. RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK DISCRETIONARY TOO. 
          SO, SO THAT'S MORE THAN HALF THE REST OF IT IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN TRAINING. 
          SO, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NUMBER AGAIN? SORRY? THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S IN PD FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT IS 139,000. 
          IS THAT WITHIN THAT 2 75? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO HIS MATH. 
          WELL, I'LL, I'LL JUST FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING. 
          THAT DOES NOT, THAT IS NOT CALCULATED IN MY 2 75, I ACTUALLY, UM, IN ALL OF MY BUDGET CUTS, I DIDN'T TOUCH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE 2 75 IS FOR THE REMAINING STAFF THAT ARE NOT SWORN PERSONNEL? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT THE TRAINING IS BUDGETED IN THERE IS, IT'S IN, IT'S IN BY QUANTITY. 
          SO YOU MAY SEE A LONG LIST OF DIFFERENT TRAININGS IN A DEPARTMENT, BUT IF IT SAYS QUANTITY ONE AND THERE'S 10 PEOPLE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THAT MEANS ONE PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO THAT TRAINING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THERE'S FOUR, THEN THAT MEANS FOUR PEOPLE IN THAT DEPARTMENT ARE GOING TO THAT TRAINING. 
          AH. 
          THAT, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. 
          SO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WORKED WITH THEIR STAFF AND WORKED OUT THEIR, THEIR ANNUAL EDUCATION PLAN AND THEN BUDGETED THEIR REQUEST BASED OFF OF MAKING SURE THAT MOST OF THEIR STAFF ARE GETTING TRAINED AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, IF NOT TWICE A YEAR. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT SHOULD WORK OUT. 
          YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT QUANTITY TO COST TO LOCATION. 
          SO IN THE NOTES, IF YOU SEE ZERO, DOES THAT MEAN NO ONE'S GOING? RIGHT? THAT MEANS ZERO, NO ONE'S GOING, UH, NOT IN THE NOTE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          IT WOULD BE IN THE QUANTITY BEFORE THE UNIT COST FOR TRAINING. 
          UM, THE QUANTITY BEFORE THE, ALSO WHAT I'D WANT TO KNOW ON THAT NUMBER FOR JUST TAKING A HATCHET TO IT, IS THERE'S ALSO A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THEIR ROLES FOR THEIR CERTIFICATIONS AND STUFF. 
          ALL THAT'S BUILT IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF, BUT, BUT IF SOMEONE'S SAYING, HEY, JUST CUT THE 2 75 OUT, BUT 200,000 OF IT IS FOR, TO MAINTAIN OUR CERTIFICATIONS FOR OUR CITY. 
          'CAUSE CITY ENGINEER HAS TO DO CONTINUING EDUCATION. 
          OUR DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS, SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE PAID HOURS AND RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YEAH, IT SOUNDS GREAT WHEN ON PAPER, BUT THEN WHEN YOU PUT THE REALITY TO IT, IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, IN VIOLATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT NOT, AREN'T POSSIBLE LEGALLY OR WHATEVER, JUST CUT THEM. 
          BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEN WE WOULD BE OUTTA COMPLIANCE. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE, I UNDERSTAND THE CERTIFICATION COMPLIANCE DEAL. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT IT'S OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, I'M GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM A, A TAXPAYER ADVANTAGE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS. 
          AND THEY SEE THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS A BUDGET FOR $50,480 FOR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO, WELL WHAT THE HELL'S WHAT, WHAT'S HE DOING RIGHT NOW? MAYBE HE NEEDS ACTUALLY 25,000 OF THAT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          IF HE HAS TO HAVE THAT TO MAINTAIN A CERTIFICATION. 
          SO HE CAN BE OUR CITY MANAGER THEN YES. 
          AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UM, WE NEED THAT. 
          UM, WELL, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T HAVE 50,000 IN TRAINING ME PERSONALLY. 
          WELL, NO, NO. 
          YOUR, YOUR DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, I APOLOGIES. 
          YOUR DEPARTMENT. 
          YES. 
          SO THE CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT, CITY COUNCIL DEPARTMENTS FOR 34,000. 
          UM, HUMAN RESOURCES, 26,000, UM, THE BIGGER ONES DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, 24,000, UH, IT 25 PARKS AND REC, 25,000. 
          SO, SO OF THE 50,000 THAT'S IN MY BUDGET. 
          MM-HMM. 
           23 OF THAT IS FOR THE CONFERENCE THAT WE PUT ON FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES HERE THAT, THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED LAST YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S A ONE DAY WE SHUT DOWN CITY HALL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          EVERYONE COMES HERE. 
          SO ALL THE FIELD PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY, LET ME BACK UP. 
          TRAINING FOR, UM, PROFESSIONAL REASONS, TRAINING FOR CERTIFICATIONS, ALL THAT STUFF GENERALLY HAPPENS. 
          THE FIELD PERSONNEL RIGHT. 
          GENERALLY DON'T GET THAT SAME LEVEL OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO 
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LAST YEAR THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE ONE DAY EVENT AND WE BROUGHT ALL THE EMPLOYEES HERE TO CITY HALL AND WE HAD A ONE DAY CONFERENCE, IF YOU WILL, AND THE BUDGET FOR THAT WAS 23,000. 
          I THINK WE ACTUALLY SPENT LIKE 16 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THAT HALF OF THAT NUMBER IS. 
          THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT TO ME. 
          YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT TO THE PEOPLE LISTENING. 
          SURE, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA SEE A NUMBER AND THEY'RE GONNA GO, WELL THAT'S MY TAX DOLLAR, SO DEAL WITH IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WE DON'T  TO MIKE'S ANALOGY THAT I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE, YOU DON'T GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND FILL UP YOUR CART AND GO SEE HOW MUCH YOU GOT. 
          YOU GO WITH A HUNDRED DOLLARS BILL AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. 
          SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT NUMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          AT LEAST EVERYBODY I'M TALKING TO AND THE 17 PEOPLE THAT PUT PUBLIC COMMENT ON PAPER TONIGHT, UM, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE JUSTIFICATION. 
          I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT YES, SOME OF IT IS, AND TO UH, RANDALL'S POINT, SOME OF IT IS JUSTIFIED AND NEEDED. 
          IT IS REQUIRED. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IS WHAT AS WHAT IS NEEDED AND REQUIRED IN THAT SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IS WHAT IS NEEDED AND REQUIRED THIS YEAR. 
          NOT ANYTHING EXTRA. 
          WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT EXTRA PERSONALLY FOR THAT SPECIFIC ITEM. 
          I I WILL SAY, I THINK PART OF OUR PROBLEM IS LAST YEAR WE APPROVED A LOT OF STUFF. 
          I MEAN A LOT OF STUFF AND A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE NOT FUNDED LAST YEAR. 
          AND SO CUSTOMER CLARK BROUGHT IT UP. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL POSITIONS THAT WERE A Q4 AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM I HAD WITH LAST YEAR'S BUDGET IS IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA, WE APPROVED 12 FTES AND WE BARELY MADE BUDGET LAST YEAR, AND THEN THIS YEAR YOU GOTTA FUND THE FULL THING. 
          THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A PICKLE THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY ADDING 15 POSITIONS THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE REALLY KIND OF ADDING LIKE 20 SOMETHING POSITIONS. 
          AND LAST YEAR WE REALLY DIDN'T ADD 40. 
          WE REALLY ADDED LIKE 20 OR 25. 
          AND SO THIS YEAR WE'RE HAVING TO FUND A FULL SALARY THAT WE DIDN'T DO LAST YEAR. 
          THAT IS TRUE. 
          AND WE, AND SO, BUT WE DID DISCLOSE THAT AND TALK THROUGH THAT LAST YEAR. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          BUT IM, I'M TELLING YOU THAT'S WHY I HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE BUDGET. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE, AND WHICH IS WHY YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT NO NEW REVENUE WASN'T BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT THIS YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEN I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I KIND OF, I DID SAY IT ALMOST GUARANTEES NOT HAVING NO NEW REVENUE THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF POOR DECISION MAKING LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN AS I TALKED TO PEOPLE, THE ECONOMY GREW WORSE. 
          AND THEN I SAW THE BUDGET AND I WAS LIKE, WELL IF WE'RE GONNA NOT CUT OUT THE FAT, THEN I'M NOT RAISING A DOLLAR ON ANYBODY'S TAXES UNTIL OUR FOOD'S CUT OUT. 
          AND I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WE CUT THE MEETING EARLY AT WHATEVER IT WAS, SEVEN O'CLOCK THAT ONE NIGHT. 
          IT'S BEEN TWO AND A HALF WEEKS. 
          I WOULD WOULD'VE EXPECTED A BUDGET BACK FROM THE CITY MANAGER THAT SAID, OKAY, LOOK, I HEARD, I HEARD Y'ALL, I'VE HEARD THE PUBLIC, MY JOB'S TO PRESENT THE BUDGET. 
          I'VE MADE SOME CHANGES. 
          INSTEAD, WE DIDN'T GET A DOLLAR OFF. 
          AND SO IF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BOG DOWN IN THIS, THE FIRST THING WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IS WE OUGHT TO BE TRIPPING OVER THE PENNIES AND GOING, OKAY FOLKS, WE MAY HAVE TO RAISE TAXES. 
          WE CUT THE FOOD OUT, WE CUT THE TRAVEL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KOREA. 
          INSTEAD WE'RE TALKING BIG AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THE SMALL, WHAT IF THE SMALL STUFF ADDED UP TO 600 GRAND? BUT WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS AND WE NEED TO BE WORRYING ABOUT THE SMALL THINGS. 
          IT'S LIKE THE BROKEN WINDOWS THING. 
          YOU WORRY ABOUT THE SMALL THINGS. 
          NO ONE'S GONNA HAVE ANY IDEAS OF, HEY, HOW DO WE GO DO THIS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, MAN, THE COUNCIL, THEY DON'T EVEN EAT FOOD UP THERE. 
          AND SO THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GET X INSTEAD WE'RE HITTING ALL THE BIG STUFF, WHICH IS FINE. 
          WE WANNA START AT THE TOP AND WORK DOWN. 
          I'M ALWAYS A GUY, I WORK AT THE BOTTOM, BE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE WE'RE LEAN, WE'RE MEAN, AND YES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE YOUR TAXES. 
          SO BASED ON LAST YEAR, BASED ON WHAT THIS BUDGET LOOKED LIKE, I WAS LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T GO AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SEND A MESSAGE TO Y'ALL THAT, LOOK, WE GOTTA START DIGGING INTO THIS THEN TO, IF YOU WANNA CALL THE STUNT, PULL THE STUNT AND GO, OKAY, NOW WE GOT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. 
          IT'S LIKE I TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, I HOPE WE GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION NOW BECAUSE NEXT YEAR I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BUDGET WITH THE SAME MONEY YEAR OVER YEAR DONE BY APRIL. 
          AND THEN WE SPEND THE SUMMER, IMAGINE SPENDING THE SUMMER DEBATING WHAT WE CAN ADD TO EXPAND GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE AWAY. 
          IT'S A NEW CONCEPT, BUT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE RUN THEIR FAMILIES. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, I CAN'T, AS LONG AS WE'RE GETTING, UM, CLOTHING AND BRANDED MERCHANDISE AND ALL THAT STUFF AT THE TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE, I CAN'T, I I CAN'T GET IN HERE TO SOME OF THAT STUFF BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY TO THEM WHILE WE'RE DOING, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT THAT'S A I I AGREE. 
          I CAN, I CAN, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          WE CAN TAKE OUT THE FOOD, WE CAN TAKE OUT THE BRANDED CLOTHING. 
          UM, JUST KIND OF, I GUESS DEPENDS IF IT COMES TO LIKE BOOTS FOR SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO, TO BUDGE ON. 
          BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 
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FOOD CITY COUNCIL, FOOD CITY COUNCIL TRAINING, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT. 
          SO LEMME ASK YOU THIS, WHY ARE BOOTS IMPORTANT? WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER JUST TO PAY A PERSON A WAGE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET WHAT THEY WANT? BECAUSE, UH, SOMEONE SAID, WELL, THEY WEAR UP BOOTS IN SIX MONTHS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BOOTS THEY'RE GETTING, BUT WHATEVER MONEY. 
          SO NOW YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF PAYING THEM MORE. 
          I'M NOT AGAINST PAYING PEOPLE MORE MONEY, BUT IF, IF YOU, LISTEN WHAT I'M SAYING, A PERSON MAKING 180 5 A YEAR, GETTING A 6% RAISE, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST. 
          I ALREADY TOLD THE CITY MANAGER 1%, MAYBE TWO, DO THEY COME TO WORK? IF A PERSON IN THIS BUILDING IS MAKING 150 GRAND OR MORE A YEAR AND THEY'RE WORKING FROM HOME, THEN I, I'M PUSHING FOR A 0% RAISE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WORKS A HUNDRED PERCENT REMOTE, A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I'M TALKING A HUNDRED PERCENT FIVE DAYS A WEEK IN HERE. 
          YOU'RE SAYING EVER, BECAUSE OTHER COMPANIES, THEY SAID YOU CAN WORK FROM HOME, BUT YOU'RE GONNA, SOME PEOPLE TOOK PAY AWAY, SOME PEOPLE GOT LAID OFF BECAUSE OF IT. 
          AND I'M SAYING THE PERSON THAT WORKS EVERY DAY OUTSIDE 110 DEGREE HEAT, THEY SHOW UP EVERY DAY. 
          THEY SHOULD GET A 5% OR 10 OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THE PERSON WHO LOOK, I SAVE ON DAYCARE AND I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. 
          I GET MY JOB DONE. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          BUT YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT THAT PERSON DOES NOT RECEIVE A BENEFIT MORE THAN THE PERSON THAT'S OUT ON THE STREET. 
          AND SO I THINK WE GOTTA HAVE, UH, IT'S AN EQUITY THING FOR ME SOMEWHAT TO WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU GET THE BOOTS BECAUSE YOU MAKE THE MONEY TO DO IT. 
          I DON'T WANNA BUY A PERSON A, A, A WINTER COAT THAT SAYS CITY OF HUDDLE ON IT. 
          IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD A WINTER COAT, WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM ENOUGH MONEY. 
          AND IF THEY WANT HUDDLE ON THEIR COAT, THEN THEY CAN DO WHAT I DID. 
          BUY THE COAT AND THE CITY CAN PAY FOR THE MONOGRAM. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          BUT IT SAYS THING WHERE IT'S LIKE WITH THE TEACHERS, DON'T PAY THEM A LOT OF MONEY, BUT LET'S GIVE THEM HOUSING, PAY THEM ENOUGH MONEY TO GET THEM TO AFFORD THE HOUSING THEY WANT. 
          AND WITH THE SHOES, WHETHER WE GIVE 'EM 50 BUCKS OR 200 WE CAN GIVE 'EM $500, THEY'LL SPEND THE WHOLE 500. 
          BECAUSE WHO WOULDN'T BUY BETTER SHOES? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WEARING THROUGH 'EM AND ALL THAT. 
          IT JUST, YOU GET THROUGH. 
          AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE GUY THAT, OR THE GIRL THAT DOESN'T GET A SHOE ALLOWANCE? WHY, WHY DON'T THEY GET THAT? WELL, BACK TO, BACK TO YOUR THING OF LIKE THE PD VERSUS SOMEONE WHO, SOMEONE OUT IN THE FIELD VERSUS SOMEONE WHO'S INSIDE THE FIELD. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S LIKE, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S OPPOSITE FROM, FROM WHAT THAT CON THAT CONVERSATION TO THIS CONVERSATION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT GIVES, I MEAN, EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR OWN THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          SO WE'LL FINE. 
          IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. 
          IT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND BUCKS. 
          SO WE TEND TO PROVIDE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REQUIRED TO USE EQUIPMENT PD. 
          WE PROVIDE ALL OF THEIR EQUIPMENT, WE PROVIDE THEIR UNIFORMS, ALL THOSE THINGS, EVEN THEIR DRY CLEANING. 
          SO WE PROVIDE THAT. 
          THE REASON THAT WE CHOOSE TO PROVIDE BOOTS USUALLY, OR RAINCOATS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS IS BECAUSE IT'S A COST SAVINGS TO US. 
          IF YOU NEEDED, SAY YOU NEEDED THE $150 PAIR OF BOOT, LET'S SAY 200 'CAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          $200 FOR YOUR BOOTS. 
          FOR ME TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEE $200 NET AFTER TAX DEDUCTIONS, SAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE TMRS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          FOR THEM TO HAVE $200 IN THEIR POCKET, I HAVE TO PAY THEM CLOSER TO LIKE 180% OF THAT NUMBER BY THE TIME THEY GET IT ALL, ALL THEIR TAXES AND EVERYTHING TAKEN OUT. 
          SO IT ACTUALLY COSTS THE CITY MORE MONEY TO, TO GIVE THEM MORE SALARY. 
          SO THEY HAVE $200 NET IN THEIR POCKET THAN IT DOES JUST TO GIVE THEM THE $200. 
          SURE. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING GIVE 'EM $200 NET, I'M JUST SAYING WHATEVER. 
          I'M JUST SAYING NO MATTER WHAT THE NUMBER IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE KEEP COMPARING WITH COPS. 
          REMEMBER A PERSON HAS BOOTS. 
          THEY CAN WEAR THEM CAMPING, THEY CAN WEAR THEM FISHING, THEY CAN WEAR THEM ON THE WEEKEND. 
          PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME. 
          THEY CAN WORK 'EM WHILE THEY WORK IN THEIR YARD. 
          AN OFFICER WHO HAS A SPECIALIZED UNIFORM WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST CANNOT WEAR THAT OR SHOULDN'T BE WEARING IT WHILE THEY'RE CUTTING THE GRASS. 
          THEY SHOULDN'T BE FISHING IN THEIR POLICE UNIFORM UNLESS SIR, WE GOT SOME KIND OF FISHING DERBY OR SOMETHING. 
          SO SOME STUFF I THINK IS WARRANTED. 
          OTHERS, I THINK WE, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT, WE'RE TALKING LIKE THREE GRAND IN BOOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE GOT $3 MILLION PROBLEMS. SO I'M REALLY NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE BIT A LIMIT TO NOT GET CAUGHT IN THE WEEDS HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, ALL THE SAME. 
          IT'S CHEAPER TO PROVIDE THE ALLOWANCE THAN IT IS TO PAY MORE SALARIES SO THEY HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT IN THEIR POCKET. 
          SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT NUMBER YOU PICK SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I, I, I KIND LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, UH, IS SAY, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY CALCULATIONS, I COME UP WITH $46,853 FOR ALL FOOD AND MEALS. 
          NOW THAT INCLUDES, UH, A HOLIDAY BANQUET FOR $11,000 IN THE HR DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THAT'S FOR. 
          UM, THAT'S THE EMPLOY, THAT'S THE EMPLOYEE AND VOLUNTEER BOARD AND COMMISSION HOLIDAY BANQUET AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO THANK EVERYBODY BASICALLY. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, HIGH FIVE PIZZA PARTIES, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT EVERYWHERE WE CUT, WE CUT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE UP A LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE SAVE A PENNY HERE TO SAVE A DOLLAR 
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OVER THERE. 
          UM, IF IT'S $46,000, AND THIS IS NOT A MOTION, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION. 
          LET'S SAY WE TAKE THAT TO 20 AND WE SAY, HEY JAMES, YOU GOT 20 GRAND. 
          YOU GO TO YOUR TEAMS  AND FIGURE IT OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE HOLIDAY PARTY NEEDS TO BE $8,000. 
          NOW YOU GOT 12 TO USE ELSEWHERE, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU BUY US FOOD, WHICH I'M STILL NOT GONNA EAT, BUT THAT'S YOUR MONEY TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR DEPARTMENTS OR YOUR, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SAY, I I'M GONNA SPLIT THIS UP OR WHATEVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT, BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY. 
          I, I LIKE GETTING IN THE WEEDS, BUT I DON'T WANT GET INTO THORNS. 
          I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT, WHO NEEDS TO BUY A PIZZA AND WHO DOESN'T. 
          BUT DO I THINK $46,000, $46,853 IS EXTRAVAGANT FOR TAXPAYER MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN CUT IT AND WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA CUT AND WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE HERE FOREVER. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUS TO SUPPORT A TAX INCREASE TO DO THAT NEGATIVE, SIR. 
          NOT WITH ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE GOT. 
          THERE IS NO WAY WE ARE RAISING TAXES BASED ON, SO ALL YOU'RE DOING, ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE GOT. 
          SO ALL YOU'RE DOING IS TRYING TO GET US TO, TO, TO, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS TRYING TO GET US TO AGREED AGREE TO DO WHATEVER, LIKE A PIZZA PARTY, WHATEVER YOU'RE ASKING CITY MANAGER TO DO TO RAISE A POLITICAL ISSUE. 
          SO YOU CAN HEAR US VOTE NO ON IT. 
          NO, I'M NOT SAYING I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THAT. 
          I'M NO, YOU'RE GETTING US TO VOTE NO ON IT. 
          VOTE NO ON WHAT? ON THE, ON WHATEVER YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          NO, I'M JUST, I'M SUGGESTING SAY IT'S $46,000. 
          IF WE CUT IT TO 20, THAT'S $26,000 NOW THAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND BANK AND SEE WHERE WE LAND. 
          I THINK WHAT HE IS SAYING, I THINK THERE'S, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU DO ANYTHING. 
          I'M JUST SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, I'LL CUT. 
          I THINK EVERY TIME WE, IT'S LIKE I TOLD JAMES LUNCH, WHEN YOU DO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL AND WE SPEND SAY A MILLION DOLLARS IN TAXPAYER MONEY, IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND GOING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS COMPANY HERE. 
          WE NEED YOU TO CHIP IN FIVE BUCKS EVERY YEAR. 
          AND THERE'S GONNA BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SAY, I DON'T WANT THAT. 
          AND THERE'S GONNA BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY DO, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT PIZZA PARTIES, WE'RE BUYING GREETING CARDS FOR GET, WELL, WE'RE HAVING BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND IT ALL STARTS ADDING UP. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE GOING, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. 
          YOU GUYS ARE HAVING PIZZA PARTIES FOR WHAT YOU GUYS, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONCERN ON HEALTH INSURANCE LIKE I HAVE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONCERN ON CLOTHING LIKE I HAVE AND, AND A SOLID PAYCHECK AND ALL THIS. 
          AND NOW THEY GET PIZZA PARTIES AND ALL THAT. 
          AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO SAY, GUYS, IF THERE'S MONEY AND WE CAN STAY WITHIN OUR BUDGET EACH YEAR AND WE SHOULD BE BUDGETING TO NO NEW REVENUE EACH YEAR AND OCCASIONALLY GOING ABOVE IT FOR NEEDS, I THINK THEN YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT IF THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, I'D RATHER HAVE EMPLOYEES AND PIZZA PARTIES, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS AND ALL THE PARTIES BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY WORKS FOR A COMPANY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE LIKE A WHOLE DAY OFF FOR TRAINING AND BRING IN SPEAKERS AND YOU GET OFF ON YOUR BIRTHDAY, YOU GET OFF ON HOLIDAYS. 
          I MEAN, I HAVEN'T WORKED HERE, BUT IT'S A BETTER GIG THAN I GOT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I WAS PRETTY HAPPY UNTIL I LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHO ARE WE REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT EMPLOYEES TO ME SHOULD BE PAID WELL TAKEN AFTER AND SHOULD NOT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING ENDS MEET. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE SHOULD DRAW THE LINE AS A COUNCIL. 
          WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRYING ABOUT EVERY, HOW DO WE JUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR THEM? WE SHOULD BE GOING, HOW DO WE DO EVERYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT PUT US IN THESE CHAIRS? THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THEIR HOUSE PAYMENT ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE THE WATER BILL WHO DON'T GET PIZZA AND BENEFITS AND CAKE AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S WHO WE REPRESENT. 
          NOT, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE. 
          THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY HE GETS PAID ALMOST 300 GRAND A YEAR IS TO DEAL WITH THAT AND TO TELL US WHAT HE TRULY NEEDS TO MAKE IT MEET. 
          AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP AND WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT JAMES THINKS AND WHAT THE EMPLOYEES THINK. 
          AND WE FORGET ABOUT THE PEOPLE, LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE, WHATEVER THE QUOTE WAS ABOUT. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE WHO ARE SUBSIDIZING EVERYTHING HERE. 
          I'M COMPLETELY OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT YOU ALSO CAN'T BE MAKING 10% RAISES WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DIDN'T EVEN GET A RAISE THIS YEAR AND I DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND I GOT LAID OFF AND MY TAX BILLS DUE. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE A POLITICAL THING. 
          IT'S AN OVERALL DEAL BUDGET WITH THE MONEY YOU GOT, JAMES HAD 1.9 MILLION EXTRA TO SPEND ACCOUNTS. 
          THE THE COUNTY PERSON'S GONE. 
          NO ONE'S BROUGHT UP THAT, HEY, THE COUNTY'S STIFFEN US ON THE 9 1 1 STUFF. 
          IN MY OPINION, WE ALL PAY TAXES TO THE COUNTY. 
          THEY WANTED TO SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND SO THEY PUSHED A BURDEN ON US. 
          I THINK IT'S UNFAIR THAT'S 800 GRAND THAT THEY USED TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAY THEY CAN'T PAY ANYMORE. 
          AND SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT WORKING WITH ROUND ROCK WHO HAS A 9 1 1 SYSTEM, TAYLOR WHO HAS ONE AND LOOK ELSEWHERE THAT 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GO UP AGAIN 
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NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? YEP. 
          SO THE COUNTY IS SHIFTING BURDENS ON US. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING BRAND NEW BUILDINGS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. 
          THEY'RE GIVING THEMSELVES PAY RAISES AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT. 
          THE CITY OF HU IS THROUGH HIGHER FEES ON STUFF THAT USED TO BE COVERED. 
          AND WE CAN'T GET OUTTA THAT THIS YEAR, BUT WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT AGENCY. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAYOR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CRITICIZING CITY STAFF FOR REQUESTING RESOURCES TO PERFORM THEIR JOBS. 
          CITY STAFF ARE NOT POLITICIANS. 
          THIS IS THEIR CAREER. 
          IN MY FULL-TIME JOB, I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SHOUTING AT ME SAYING I DON'T NEED OR DESERVE TRAINING OR I DON'T DESERVE BENEFITS OR I DON'T NEED TO BE PAID, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE LOCAL JOB MARKET OR NEED A RAISES DUE TO INFLATION OR JOB PERFORMANCE. 
          SO I GET THE SENTIMENT THAT WE DO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING STAFF WITH THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO SERVE THE CITIZENS THAT THEY ARE BEING ASKED TO PROVIDE CITY SERVICES TO. 
          AND I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S A DISPARITY TO SAY THAT WE ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S SOMEHOW SCREWING THE CITIZENS. 
          I I REALLY DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. 
          I THINK THE MORE STABLE WE CAN HAVE OUR GOVERNMENT AND IF IT MEANS GIVING PIZZA PARTIES, ALLOWING 'EM TO HAVE A PIZZA PARTY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          I MEAN WE'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE IT'S, IT'S ALL THESE MILLIONS DOLLARS TO, TO DO A HIGH FIVE PIZZA PARTY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          BUT WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT I HAVE NEVER QUIT A JOB EVER. 
          I'VE QUIT A MANAGER, I'VE QUIT AN ENVIRONMENT. 
          I HAVE QUIT A-A-A-A-A COMPANY THAT WASN'T TREATING ME RIGHT AND WASN'T TREATING ME WELL, I WASN'T COMFORTABLE THERE, I WASN'T MADE COMFORTABLE OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR CITY MANAGER. 
          I THINK IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR CITY STAFF THAT WE HAVE NOW A CULTURE HERE WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THE TURNOVER RATE. 
          I MEAN I THINK THE MAYOR PROBABLY REMEMBERS THIS FIGURE BACK IN 2019, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE TURNOVER RATE? IT WAS 60%. 
          IT WAS SO HIGH WHEN THE MAYOR PRO TEM WAS GONNA BRING IT UP IN PUBLIC, THE CITY MANAGER THREATENED TO QUIT OVER IT. 
          ? YEAH. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS SIX SIX, I SWEAR TO GOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY SAID 60% AND WE SAID 16 AND THEY SAID 60. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU COPIED ME ON THAT EMAIL, WE WOULD'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH. 
          I MEAN I IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A CULTURE HERE. 
          AND SO TO ME IF, IF INVESTING IN THAT AND, AND GIVING THESE, THESE LITTLE PERKS THAT DON'T ADD UP TO A WHOLE LOT MAKES UP FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, I'M ALSO WILLING TO LOOK AT THE, AT AT THE TRAINING BUDGET. 
          I MEAN WE ARE HEAVY ON TRAINING AND SO I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OH, MAYBE WE CAN DO WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND, AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET IT, TO GET IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S NOT AS HIGH AND WHERE WE CAN CUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          BECAUSE LIKE I'VE SAID, I'M WILLING TO CUT A LOT OF THESE LITTLE THINGS. 
          I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MUCH THE LITTLE THINGS ADD UP. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA ADD UP TO AS MUCH AS WE THINK THEY WILL, BUT STILL, I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER IT. 
          I'M STILL WILLING TO CONSIDER A LOT OF THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IF WE CAN ADD THOSE UP TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT MY, THE REASON I LIKED COUNCIL MEMBER KOHL'S MOTION IS BECAUSE LET'S GET ON THE BIG STUFF. 
          LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BIG THINGS ARE AND THEN LET'S FILL IN THE GAPS WITH THE LITTLE THINGS AND SEE HOW CLOSE WE CAN GET. 
          'CAUSE I, I THINK WE CAN GET PRETTY CLOSE. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IF WE JUST CUT THE THINGS THAT WERE POSED, THE 500 K ON ROAD MAINTENANCE, THE 2 89 OUT OF THE, UH, PARITY AND THE FIVE 12 K FOR THE ROAD CREW, DRAINAGE CREW. 
          BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT IT TO CIP. 
          SO THEY MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE GONE, BUT IF NOT THEY'RE GONE. 
          THAT'S 1.2 MILLION. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN DID YOU GET THE TWO 50 FOR THE MATERIALS? 'CAUSE YOU COULD SHIFT THAT OVER TO THE BOND FUND TOO. 
          NO, I DIDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONE 50 FOR THE CONCRETE, THE 100 FOR THE DRAINAGE. 
          SO IF, IF WE DO THAT, UM, I THINK THAT PUTS US AT 1.4. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALREADY JUST, JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE TO THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT JUST RIGHT THERE WOULD ALLOW US TO BE AT THE SAME TAX RATE WE ARE AT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN DOWN TO NOT NO NEW REVENUE BUT STAYING AT 42 CENTS. 
          UM, I, I WOULD NEED TO RERUN WHAT THE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE BASED OFF OF WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          Y'ALL NUMBER Y'ALL PICKED BEFORE, I WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF, LIKE WHEN AT THIS THRESHOLD OF THE TWO 50 K, THE FIVE 12, THE FOUR 12 K FOR THE ROAD CREW, THE 2 89 OUT OF THE, UM, THE PARITY AND THEN THE 500 K GOING FROM 2.1 TO 1.6 MILLION ON THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, UM, 
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WHAT TAX RATE THAT IS RIGHT THERE WITH THAT AMOUNT? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THEN WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO CUT? UH, 6 62 6. 
          WE ADD IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          1350 PLUS FOUR 12 PLUS 2 2 17 80. 
          ABOUT 1.8 MILLION. 
          I THINK 1.45 IS WHAT I GOT. 
          WELL THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. 
          13. 
          I GOT 2, 250 K FOR MATERIALS. 
          UHHUH 412 FOR SIDEWALK. 
          738. 
          NO, 7 2 89. 
          IT'S 2 89. 
          WE WEREN'T TAKING ALL THE PAYOUT. 
          WE WERE JUST GONNA GO DOWN TO 500 K LEFT. 
          SO IT WAS A NO, THAT WAS MATERIAL. 
          YOU SAID IT WAS 2 50, 2 5250 K FOR MATERIALS. 
          THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          412 FOR THE SIDEWALK CREW. 
          CORRECT? THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          700. 
          IT WAS 2 89. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU, LET ME FINISH. 
          I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YOUR NUMBER, YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT AM I SAYING? YOU'RE SAYING GET RID OF PARITY, PAY COMPLETELY. 
          NO, HE'S NOT. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO DO ME A FAVOR, JUST WRITE THE NOTES DOWN WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          250 FOR MATERIALS. 
          FOUR 12 FOR THE SIDE. 
          NO, KEEP WRITING. 
          FOUR 12 FOR THE SIDEWALK CREW. 
          I WROTE THAT 738,000 TO FOR THE 20% RESERVE DEAL. 
          WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT ON. 
          BUT HE SAID THAT WAS ALREADY GONNA GO. 
          BUT I'M, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I GOT SO FAR. 
          OKAY, FAIR. 
          BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS SOMETHING WITH THE 1.2. 
          I DON'T ADD THAT IN THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT YOU GIVE ME, MAYOR. 
          WELL, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TALKING 3.3 MILLION IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          I PUT DOWN 90,000 FOR A MULTIMEDIA SPECIALIST. 
          $23,000 FOR A CALENDAR. 
          289 FOR VARIABLE PAY. 
          BUT IT'S NOT VARIABLE. 
          IT'S, WHAT'S IT CALLED? PARITY. 
          PARITY. 
          PARITY, SORRY. 
          WELL, AND THEN THE TRAINING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DIDN'T CAPTURE WHAT, WHAT THE ULTIMATE THINKING WAS THERE, BUT, AND A POTENTIAL 500 FROM ROAD MAINTENANCE. 
          WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD, WHAT WAS THE TRAINING? MY CALCULATION? NO, WHAT WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO, WERE YOU SAYING CUT AND TRAINING CUT HALF, CUT A HUNDRED OUT? YOU WANT MY HONEST OPINION? NO, PROBABLY NOT. 
          NO. 
          'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU SAID GIVE HIM A NUMBER AND LET HIM WORK WITH IT. 
          IT, SO WHAT'S NUMBER? NO, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A NUMBER. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD NEED, UH, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE, BASED ON RANDALL'S SUGGESTION, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATION? BECAUSE IF I SAY CUT IT ALL OUT, SO THEN DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A WEEK, FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEN COME BACK AND THEN PROPOSE THAT TO THE MAYOR SO THAT WAY WE COULD THOMPSON I'D LOVE TO GO HOME ANYTIME. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE SET, SET A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND HE CAN MAYBE CUT MORE THAN THAT JUST SO WE CAN GET TO A NUMBER SO WE CAN KIND OF WHAT'S THE RE WHAT, WHAT'S THE TRAINING BUDGET AT WHAT, WHAT ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW? 2 75. 
          WHAT I HAVE IS 2 75 0 0 4 EXCLUDING POLICE EXCLUDES POLICE I'D SAY 50,000. 
          AND THE CITY MANAGER CAN COME BACK AND SAY WHY HE NEEDS TO BE ABOVE 50 GRAND. 
          YOU WANT TO CUT OUT 220,000 FROM THE TRAINING BUDGET. 
          I'D SAY 1 25. 
          WELL, 2 25. 
          I DON'T THINK HE NEED 23,000 TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE A DAY OFF AND HAVE A THING HERE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS, WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANNING THAT LEADERSHIP, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S LIKE 20 GRAND AND 10 GRAND IN EVERY SINGLE BUDGET, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. 
          IF THAT'S GOING TO BRIAN, I THINK YOU GUYS GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLOWLY OVER TIME IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP BRIAN COLLEGE STATION. 
          NOT ME. 
          WHAT'S THAT?  . 
          BRIAN COLLEGE STATION? NOT ME. 
          GOING TO BRIAN. 
          HE TO BRIAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, BCS. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK WHAT I THINK IS YOU REALLY NEED TO JUSTIFY TRAINING'S. 
          GREAT. 
          SOME PEOPLE ARE TRAINING TO FURTHER THEIR CAREERS, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD IF THEY'RE IN THEIR ROLE. 
          BUT BEFORE, BEFORE I FORGET THIS, I DO AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE DON'T QUIT. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED ENVIRONMENT TO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT EVERY TIME SOMEONE'S HOUSE GOES FOR SALE AND THEY MOVE OUTTA HU THEY QUIT. 
          HU SO WHY'D THEY QUIT? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG ENOUGH HOUSE FOR 'EM BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WAS TOO BAD. 
          THE TAXES WERE TOO HIGH. 
          THE WATER, EVERY TIME SOMEONE MOVES OUTTA HUDU, THEY QUIT US. 
          AND SO I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT AGAIN, THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT. 
          WHY ARE THEY QUITTING? WHY ARE THEY MOVING? YES, NEW PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. 
          WE'LL MEET 'EM ONE DAY. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY, I LIKE HUDU AND WE DISAGREE WHY THEY'RE LEAVING, BUT PEOPLE TELL ME I CAN'T AFFORD IT. 
          AND YOU SAY THEY WANT A BIGGER HOUSE OR TAXES AREN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL. 
          OR THEY WANNA GO TO CIENA AND HAVE A LOT NICER AMENITIES OR THEY WANNA MOVE INTO A PIT OR THEY WANNA MOVE INTO A MUD AND PAY A LOT MORE TAXES, BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE A HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT MOVED OUT, THAT'S WHY THEY, SO WHATEVER REASON THEY'RE QUITTING. 
          AND SO LIKE WHILE THE CITY MANAGER GETS PAID TO FIGURE OUT WHY EMPLOYEES QUIT, WE'RE HERE TO FIGURE OUT, I THINK WHY DO, WHY DO CITIZENS LEAVE? WHY ARE THEY QUITTING US? AND IF IT'S AMENITIES, WHAT ARE THE AMENITIES? WHAT ARE THE THINGS, IF IT'S A HOUSING, WHAT IS IT THAT ARE MAKING 'EM LEAVE? UM, I JUST THOUGHT IT OUT THERE THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE, IT'S, IT IS TO AN EXTENT. 
          BUT WE ARE HERE 
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BECAUSE PEOPLE ELECTED US TO DO ONE THING, REPRESENT JOE Q PUBLIC AND HIS WIFE JANE SMITH. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY NO ONE, NOTHING GETS, AND I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF THE APPROPRIATE THINGS TO PROVIDE FOR WHOEVER YOU JUST SAID THEY REPRESENT. 
          WE CAN'T REPRESENT PEOPLE IF WE DON'T PROVIDE STAFF WITH THE MEANS NECESSARY TO REPRESENT OR PROVIDE FOR SAID PEOPLE. 
          PEOPLE. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          LIKE WE, I REPRESENT ALL 35,000 PLUS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF HUNO, YOU KNOW, VOTER, NON-VOTER, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HUDU AND THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN HU ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, IT SAYS 77.6%, UH, RANK IT HIGH AS A PLACE LIKE HUDU AS A PLACE TO LIVE, RIGHT? SO THEY APPROVE 70, THAT'S PRETTY HIGH. 
          77%, 75.9% VALUE IT AS A PLACE TO RAISE CHILDREN. 
          LIKE THE COMMUNITY IS SOLID, THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH HUDA, THEY'RE HAPPY WITH LIVING HERE. 
          BUT THEN 24.8% SAY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A VALUE RECEIVED FOR CITY TAXES AND FEES, RIGHT? SO SOME MAY SEE IT AS, OH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GETTING, I MET A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THE CITY HALL, I MEAN CITY, UH, THE TOWN HALL. 
          AND THEY WERE LIKE, HEY, UM, I'M WILLING TO PAY MORE, PAY MORE IF Y'ALL CAN FIGURE OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TRAFFIC, WATER, WASTEWATER. 
          I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          SOME, SOME PEOPLE REFERENCED, HEY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT TO DINNER. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NO NEW REVENUE AND THE VOTER APPROVED THAT'S UH, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT TO DINNER TWICE. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST COMPARING IT TO THAT. 
          BUT THEY JUST DON'T SEE THE VALUE. 
          SO THE CITY, THE CITY IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE CITY TO WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS 'CAUSE THEY WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO SINCE THE RESIDENTS DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SEEING A GOOD VALUE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE ROAD PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, WATER WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, PD, HALF OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OR ALMOST HALF OF, UH, THE BUDGET COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? I MEAN WE HAVE ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY BASED OFF OF A 2022 LIKE SURVEY FROM SAFE WISE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THAT GOING FOR US. 
          BUT THE RESIDENTS NEED TO SEE THE CITY WORKING. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO ENABLE THE CITY TO GET TO WORK SOMETHING LIKE THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM SO THEY CAN DO, GET MORE WORK DONE SO THEY CAN GET MORE INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          OH, THIS REALLY IS WHAT THIS, UM, UH, CITY IS DOING. 
          INSTEAD OF LIKE, OH, THE CITY'S DOING NOTHING. 
          OH, THE, THE TRAIN IS STOPPED AGAIN ON THE RAILROAD. 
          WHAT IS THE CITY DOING? THE CITY IS DOING NOTHING. 
          RIGHT? AND SO JUST ALL THIS STUFF GENERATING. 
          SO IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOLDING THE CITY MANAGER ACCOUNT ACCOUNTABLE SO THAT HE CAN GET HIS STAFF STAFF TO WORK HARD FOR THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR, THEIR THEIR JOB TO DO PROJECTS AND BE THE FACE AND, AND PUSH OUT THAT VALUE THAT THE RESIDENTS PAY FOR IN THEIR CITY TAXES. 
          ARE WE TAKING ON MORE DEBT IN THIS BUDGET? LIKE IS THERE, IS THERE A PLANNED BOND SALE? I THINK I, I REMEMBER SEEING LIKE 29 OR 30 MILLION PROPOSED. 
          I WANNA SAY THAT THAT IS THE SECOND TRANCHE OF THE UTILITY PROJECTS. 
          SO REMEMBER THE, THE IRON REMOVAL WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS DELAYED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE, BE ON THE UTILITY FUND SIDE. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER GENERAL FUND DEBT ISSUANCES THAT ARE EVEN AVAILABLE THAT ARE VOTER AUTHORIZED. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM NOW ON WOULD HAVE TO BE A, A COUNCIL CO OR ISSUED AGAINST THE PARKS BOND, UH, AUTHORIZATION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? ALBERTA? NO, NO. 
          NEW GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED INS SUPPORTED DEBT ISSUANCES THIS YEAR. 
          SO IF REMOVE DOWN THE TRAINING TO ONE 50, TAKE ONE 50 OUT. 
          I GUESS THERE ARE SOME, EVIDENTLY SHE'S WALKING UP HERE. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS IN THERE? THE 29 IS THE STREETS, THE IRON REMOVAL AND THE SECOND TRANCHE IS IN 2026. 
          BUT WE'VE ALREADY, HAVEN'T WE ALREADY DONE THE 29? NO, THAT WAS AUTHORIZED BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T ISSUED IT. 
          NO, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE AUTHORIZED. 
          SO WE'VE, WE HAVE SPENT OR WE HAVE ISSUED EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED. 
          SO IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, WE'RE NOT PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO ISSUE ANY MORE INS SUPPORTED TAX. 
          THERE'S 29 MILLION WORTH OF STREETS BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED YET. 
          BUT IT WOULD BE HAVE TO BE AS AN INS ISSUANCE. 
          SO IT'D HAVE TO BE A CO YES. 
          OKAY. 
          EITHER WAY. 
          SO IS IT FACTORED INTO INS RATE THAT'S IN HERE TODAY? YES. 
          IT'S IN THAT $10 THAT WE PROPOSED TO YOU A COUPLE SATURDAYS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE I REALLY NEED YOU TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE THAT BRINGS UP THE CIP LIST AND SEE, SO THERE'S 
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30 MILLION WE CAN SAVE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 461 MILLION. 
          THE REASON I KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT IS WE HAVE MONEY BORROWED FOR PROJECTS WE'RE NOT DOING FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          WE'VE GOT A PROJECT OVER HERE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN Q3 UNTIL WE FIGURE STUFF OUT. 
          IT'S LIKE Q2. 
          AND I'M GONNA SAY BASED ON WHAT I SAW UH, THIS WEEKEND, I'M GONNA GUESS Q3 OF NEXT YEAR BEFORE 1660 AND LI'S DONE, IF THERE'S PROJECTS OUT THERE WHERE WE'RE BORROWING AND WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE TO GO FUND THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR TWO YEARS, BUT WE'RE BORROWING MONEY TODAY TO DO WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING THE MONEY FROM TWO YEARS TODAY. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO BE PLANNING OUR CIP. 
          THIS IS WHY I'M REAL BIG ON THIS PLANET TO WHERE JIMMY HADN'T BEEN UP HERE FOR A WHILE. 
          SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE HIM THE INVITATION. 
          I WOULDN'T SPEND $10 MILLION REBUILDING LIVE OAK BECAUSE LIVE OAK NEEDS PAVEMENT, WHICH THREE YEARS AGO I SAID PUT A LAYER ON IT AND WE CAN WORK TOWARDS WHEN WE STABILIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED, WE CAN FIX A DRAINAGE SHARE. 
          IT'S TO ME IS NOT A NEED TO FIX LIVE OAK. 
          IT IS A POLITICAL THING. 
          THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THERE. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD BE COMPLETELY HAPPY IF RIGHT NOW FOR A FEW YEARS, FIVE OR SO THEY HAD A SMOOTH ROAD AND THEN WE DID THAT. 
          AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT 10 MILLION AND YOU TAKE THAT PROJECT AND YOU SAY, OKAY, SIX YEARS AWAY IT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          AND THEN YOU DO THAT TO WHERE THIS YEAR WE CAN FULLY FUND WHAT WE CAN BUILD TODAY ON STREETS AND DRAINAGE WITHIN OUR BUDGET. 
          WE DON'T BORROW 30 MILLION. 
          AND THEN YOU TELL US WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE ON THAT IS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS, THAT AFFECTS WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THIS. 
          BECAUSE OF YOUR LOSS OF YOUR INS THAT GETS YOU CLOSER TO NO NEW REVENUE TOO. 
          BUT TO BORROW 30 MILLION, WE'VE GOT 461 MILLION IN THE BANK THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING NEXT YEAR. 
          WHY ARE WE BORROWING MORE MONEY? WE KEEP BORROWING MONEY AHEAD OF WHEN WE NEED IT. 
          AND I DISAGREE WITH THE COUNCILMAN CLARK ABOUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK, THEY WON'T BID ON PROJECTS RESPECTFULLY. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO IS PART OF BIDDING WITH CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND SOMEONE WHO ISN'T. 
          WHEN YOU GO AND GET A PROJECT BID OUT, THEY NEVER ASK YOU HOW MUCH IS IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT. 
          IT IS ASSUMED IF YOU DO THE PROJECT YOU CAN PAY FOR THAT. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED 80 MILLION IN A BANK TO GO DESIGN A PROJECT FOR A BRIDGE AND THEN TO GO BID IT OUT. 
          BUT YOU'RE ALSO NOT TELLING THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD BY THE AG THAT WE HAD TO FULLY FUND THE THREE NAMED PROJECTS. 
          SO WHEN WE HOLD ON FIRST ISSUANCE FOR THE ROADS TO EVEN DO THE OTHER PROJECTS, WE HAD TO TAKE OUT THAT MONEY YEAH. 
          AND FULLY FUND THEM. 
          WHICH WE DID. 
          WHICH WE DID. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MONEY'S SITTING THERE AND I WOULDN'T HAVE EVER DONE THAT. 
          WELL WE HAD TO BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE AG AND CLARK. 
          LISTEN, STOP BULL CRAPPING EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY, WE CAN HAVE 'EM PUT UP ON THE LIST. 
          ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED, THERE'S PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED, FULLY FUNDED TODAY. 
          LIVE OAK IS FULLY FUNDED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BY THE AG. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE TO DO 1660 AND LIVER, IT'S HALF FUNDED LIVE OAK IS HALF FUNDED, WHATEVER IT IS, 5 MILLION ONLY. 
          WE ONLY HAVE TO DO 1660 IN LIMMER. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 1660 NORTH AND 79 SHE'S DONE. 
          AND WE ONLY HAVE TO DO 79 AND 1660 SOUTH. 
          THAT'S ALL WE GOTTA DO. 
          THE REST OF THIS STUFF IS COMPLETELY OKAY TO MOVE AROUND WHEN IT COMES TO ROADS. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA GUESS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE BORROWED MONEY ON. 
          TWO YEARS AGO YOU WANTED TO BORROW $47 MILLION AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HELL WE WERE GONNA SPEND IT ON. 
          WE ONLY HAD 25 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THE ROAD PROJECTS. 
          WE'RE ADDICTED TO DEBT IN THIS CITY AND I'M TELLING YOU, WE CAN ONLY BUILD THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN AFFORD. 
          IF YOU SPEND THE MONEY IN OTHER THINGS, YOU GET LESS ROAD PROJECTS. 
          IF WE WANNA ADD 40 POSITIONS IN PAYROLL, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THEY NEVER SAID HIRE 40 PEOPLE. 
          THEY SAID BUILD ROADS. 
          YOU GUYS AGREED TO HIRE 40 PEOPLE. 
          WE GOTTA FUND THAT THIS YEAR 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY LAYOFFS. 
          WE CAN DO LESS ROAD PROJECTS BUT WE'RE GONNA GO BORROW $30 MILLION TO DO WHAT WITH WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NEXT YEAR WITH THAT 30 MILLION? EVERYTHING WE HAVE PLANNED TO DO NEXT YEAR IS ALREADY FUNDED OR COULD BE FUNDED. 
          YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE BRIDGE OVER 79 IS NOT FULLY FUNDED AT ALL AND IT'S 80 MILLION SO TO SAY IT'S A BAD IDEA TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT IT KILLS COTTONWOOD THAT WE'RE PAYING $3,000 A DAY IN CARRYING COSTS $3,000 A DAY, $100,000 A MONTH. 
          WE'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT IF WE BUILD THE BRIDGE AS DESIGNED KILLS THAT PROJECT, IT MAKES IT UNDEVELOPABLE. 
          SO YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SPEND $88 MILLION ON OUR BRIDGE THAT THEN INCLUDES ANOTHER $90 MILLION IN ROADS TO GET THERE JUST SO WE CAN TURN OVER TO THE STATE. 
          THAT'S THE DISCUSSIONS WE NEED TO HAVE. 
          SO BOOM, MOVE THAT MONEY AWAY. 
          'CAUSE I WILL NEVER VOTE TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE SO I CAN SIT ON PROPERTY THAT WE'RE PAYING $3,000 A DAY IN CARRY COSTS. 
          THAT COINCIDENTALLY, IF THE EDC WAS NOT PAYING THAT MONEY AND WE SOLD THE LAND, THAT'S $3,000 A DAY THAT EDC COULD PUT TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THEY CAN PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY CAN PAY FOR WATER PROJECTS, THEY CAN PAY FOR WASTEWATER PROJECTS, THEY CAN PAY 
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FOR PARK PROJECTS AND THEY CAN PAY FOR ROADS. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SIDEWALKS BUT THEY CAN PAY FOR ALL THAT. 
          BUT ALL THEIR MONEY'S GETTING TIED UP IN LAND THAT'S NOT EARNING US ANYTHING. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          YOU YOU GUYS WANNA WORRY ABOUT THESE LITTLE BITTY DOLLARS. 
          THIS THIS CITIZEN CITIZENS DON'T WANNA PAY $3,000 A DAY TO HAVE COTTONWOOD. 
          THEY WANT IT SOLD TO SOMEBODY, THEY WANT IT DEVELOPED. 
          THEY DON'T WANNA PAY $3,000 A DAY. 
          WE JUST DON'T. 
          AND WE NEVER INTENDED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          AND NOW WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. 
          ALBERTA, DIDN'T YOU SAY ON AUGUST 1ST, THE AUGUST 1ST MEETING THAT WE HAD, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD OR THE MONEY THAT WE HAD IN THE BANK, THAT MONEY WAS BUDGETED OUT ALREADY? YES. 
          THEY'RE EARMARKED FOR, UM, APPROVED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, WHETHER IT BE STREETS, WATER, WASTEWATER, SO THAT MONEY'S NOT JUST SITTING THERE. 
          IT IS IN THE BANK BUT IT IS PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED OR DESIGNED CURRENTLY. 
          AND SO FUNDS ARE BEING GOING TO BE SPENT SOON. 
          IT'S JUST AS THEY GET DEVELOPED AND PROCESSED, THEN THE MONEY WILL BE SPENT. 
          BUT THEY ARE YOUR MARK AND RESTRICTED FOR THOSE PURPOSES. 
          WE CAN'T JUST USE 'EM FOR ANYTHING HOLD. 
          'CAUSE WHEN YOU BORROW MONEY, YOU HAVE A RESTRICTED PURPOSE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU USE IT FOR. 
          SO THEN IS IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU CAN'T JUST SIT ON MONEY AS A CITY. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST STOCKPILE MONEY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THEN WE'LL BE UM, WE'D BE AN ARBITRAGE AND WE'D HAVE A IRS PENALTY FOR JUST SITTING ON IT AND EARNING MORE INTEREST THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING. 
          SO TO SAY THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THIS MONEY IN THE BANK FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE TWO AND THREE YEARS OUT, THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT WE'RE JUST SITTING ON MONEY. 
          CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT TWO AND THREE YEARS OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW DO I GET THAT? CAN I FINISH WHAT I'M SAYING? THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M DONE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE BORROWED MONEY IN 2018. 
          COUNCILMAN THOMPSON? I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT 2018. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ALWAYS WANNA, MAY, MAY I FINISH? NO, I DON'T CARE. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT 2018. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ALWAYS GOTTA EDUCATE ME ON 2018. 
          WE'RE IN 2024. 
          I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU STAY ON THE YEAR. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT 2018. 
          WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH 2018? ALRIGHT. 
          ARE YOU DONE THROWING A FIT? ARE YOU DONE TELLING ME ABOUT ANCIENT HISTORY? NO, I HAVEN'T STARTED YET. 
          WE'RE STILL . 
          YOU ACTUALLY DID START IT YOU SAID IN 2018. 
          SO ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR ANCIENT HISTORY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL GO AHEAD AND START. 
          ARE YOU DONE THROWING A FIT? ARE YOU GONNA START? YES. 
          SO IN 2018 I DON'T CARE ABOUT 2018 POINT OF ORDER. 
          YEAH. 
          IN 2018 I DON'T CARE ABOUT 2018 POINT OF ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S DO THIS. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. 
          CAN WE DISCUSS COURT APPEAL? I CANNOT, YOU CANNOT DISCUSS UH, ADJOURNMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PORTERFIELD AYE. 
          MAYOR SLIDER. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR PRO TIMM GORDON NAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK NAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON AYE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR THREE IJO AT NINE 19.
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