[1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ]
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CALL THE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH TO ORDER.[3.1. Discuss options for strategies regarding Hutto Old Town (HOT) streets.]
DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR STRATEGIES REGARDING PETTO OLD TOWN STREETS DATING AND COUNSEL.UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO REQUESTED THIS ITEM, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT WAS ME.
SO, UH, I WENT AHEAD AND PUT SOME SLIDES TOGETHER JUST TO TRY TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSATIONS.
UH, SO WHAT I GOT HERE IS BASICALLY THE MAP THAT'S SHOWN IN THE COMP PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED.
UH, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN THE, THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GOT A, A VIA TASKABLE REFERENCE.
I'VE ALSO PUT IN HERE, UH, SOME OF THE VERBIAGE THAT PULLED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE ACCOUNT PLAN ABOUT, UH, RECLAIMING RIGHT OF WAY, UH, HOW TO DO THE STREET SCAPING THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN.
I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THIS TO YOU.
WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH IT IF YOU WANT.
I'M JUST GONNA DO A QUICK HIGH, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AND THEN SEE WHERE YOUR CONVERSATION GOES.
UH, HERE'S MORE FROM THE COMP PLAN ABOUT CONNECTING PEOPLE TO PLACES, UH, CONNECTING THEM, YOU KNOW, FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
UM, MORE STUFF ABOUT STREETSCAPING.
AND THEN, UM, I JUST, UH, WANTING TO POINT OUT THAT ACCORDING TO THE, UH, STARTED FOR THE DISTORTION ON THIS MAP, BUT THERE'S ONLY WAY I COULD GET IT TO FIT.
UH, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN PINK, THE LIVE OAK, WHICH IS THE ONLY COLLECTOR LEVEL STREET THAT WE HAVE THAT CROSSES THROUGH OLD TOWN.
UM, ALL OF THE OTHER STREETS WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER LOCALS.
UM, AND SO JUST TO HELP YOU KINDA GET A FRAME OF REFERENCE, THIS IS WHAT THE COMP PLAN SHOWS FOR THE TYPICAL CROSS SECTION FOR A COLLECTOR ROAD.
UH, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU THE 70 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE IN OLD TOWN.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER CLASSIFICATION THAT I MENTIONED WAS THE LOCAL STREET.
AGAIN, I'LL HIGHLIGHT THERE, THE 50 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE IN OLD TOWN.
AND SO, UM, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A STANDARDIZED CROSS SECTION TO SHOW YOU ON WHAT WE COULD DO IN OLD TOWN IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE LIKE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE LIVE OAK PROJECT NOW AND IT'S LITERALLY GOING BLOCK BY BLOCK, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN FIT IN THERE BASED ON TRYING TO FIT ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS. WHAT IS THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW? WHERE, WHAT, AND LIKE AS FAR AS FEET, IS IT JUST 20, IT'S JUST THE ROAD OR IS IT UH, NO, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS.
SOME PLACES WE HAVE ABOUT 35 FEET.
SOME PLACES WE'RE IN ABOUT 40.
I THINK THE HIGHEST I'VE SEEN ON LIVE OAK IS MAYBE 44 FEET.
SO IT, IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING LIKE, PARKING ON ONE SIDE ONLY IN SECTIONS.
AND WE'RE KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND BACK AND FORTH WHERE WE'RE DOING PARKING, WHERE WE'RE NOT DOING PARKING, WHERE WE'RE GONNA FIT IN SOME LANDSCAPING WHERE WE CAN'T FIT IN LANDSCAPING, TRYING TO GET SIDEWALK, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
JUST FOR LIKE, I GUESS, YEAH, MY BRAIN TO KIND OF IMAGINE.
AND THEN, SO THE NEXT THING THAT I DID WAS, WE ALREADY HAVE AN ENGINEERED ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE US TO DO LANDSCAPING AND STREET FOR LIVE OAK, AND THEN AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST US TO TAKE THE OVERHEAD.
THAT'S THE OH TO UG OVERHEAD ELECTRIC TO UNDERGROUND.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT COMES TO ROUGHLY $6.1 MILLION FOR LIVE OAKS.
AND THEN WHAT I DID WAS I EXTRAPOLATED THAT ON A PER LINEAR FOOTAGE, PER PER FOOT BASIS TO ALL THE OTHER FEET OF ROAD WITHIN OLD TOWN, SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ON LIVE OAK IF WE APPLIED THAT UNIFORMLY ACROSS ALL THE STREETS.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT BECAUSE LIKE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, FARLEY STREET, WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND UNDO THOSE TO MAKE 'EM MORE LIKE LIVE OAK.
AND SO IT'S NOT A DIRECT THING, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES YOU A BALLPARK COST.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I TALKED TO RICK, UH, CORONADO PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR 'CAUSE HE IS WORKING ON DOING SOME LIKE PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT OLD TOWN.
AND SO, UH, HE'S GOT SOME COST NUMBERS THAT HE CAN GO OVER WITH YOU AS WELL.
AND JUST LITERALLY, IF ALL WE WANNA DO IS JUST MILL AN OVERLAY, JUST REPAVE THE ROADS, THEN HE CAN GIVE YOU THOSE COSTS.
BUT REALLY, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THIS HIGH LEVEL TOPICS THERE.
AND WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE SLIDES, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
THE POINT IS JUST WE'RE HERE TO FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION.
ULTIMATELY WE KNOW WHAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS.
WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT ON MY VOTE.
IF THERE'S SOME OTHER DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, LIKE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US.
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YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF ALTERNATIVES AND OPTIONS AND COMBINATIONS THAT WE COULD DO.AND I COULD LITERALLY BE HERE ALL NIGHT TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER.
BUT I WOULD RATHER HEAR FROM YOU GUYS SINCE IT, IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE ON, ON
YEAH, I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GROUNDING UTILITIES, UM, JUST FOR AESTHETICS AND ALSO SAFETY, RIGHT? IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF MAJOR LIKE STORM OR, YOU KNOW, SAY EVEN A CAR ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW, THAT CAR COULD GO OFF AND THEN HIT THE POLE, HIT THE POWER, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE, KNOCK PEOPLE'S POWER OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, GROUNDING UTILITIES, I MEAN, IT'S DONE IN EVERY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR THAT REASON OR NOT FOR THOSE REASONS, BUT JUST FOR AESTHETICS, RIGHT? IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS, IT WASN'T LIKE A PRACTICE BACK WHEN OLD TOWN WAS KIND OF ESTABLISHED AND GROWING AND BEING BUILT OUT, BUT I THINK THAT JUST MOVING FORWARD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO I KEPT COMING BACK TO COST BECAUSE LIVE OAK IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
$1 MILLION JUST TO PUT THE ELECTRIC UNDERGROUND THERE IS KIND OF CRAZY TO ME THAT WE WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S NOT A MILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM TO ME.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX IT.
THAT'S WHERE I HAVE AN ISSUE THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE HERE.
AND IT WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND EXTRAPOLATING THAT OUT TO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? AND SO THAT APPROACH DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK EVERYWHERE.
AND SO THAT WAS WHY I WANTED THIS MEETING WAS TO SAY, WHAT IS THE RIGHT APPROACH? BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO NOTHING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ROADS THERE THAT NEED WORK NOW, RIGHT? AND BUT IF WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THE LIVE OAK TREATMENT ON EVERY STREET, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO SOME OF THOSE ROADS FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? SO WHAT, HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING TO GIVE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? EVEN NOBODY LIKES KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, BUT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IF YOU'RE THINKING YOU WANT TO DO A FULL REBUILD, YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING LIKE LIVE OAK ON, ON SOME OF THOSE ROADS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE TIME FOR IT.
IF YOU CAN BUY FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS WITH, SO THE, SO THE PROBLEM WITH SOME MONEY NOW, THAT'S WORTH DOING POTENTIALLY.
SO RIGHT UP, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
THERE'S TWO, TWO ROUTES PAY OR DO NOTHING, RIGHT? JUST LIKE SIMPLY LOOKING AT IT.
WELL, BUT IT'S HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY? WHAT DO YOU DO? BECAUSE YOU EITHER PAY FOR, PAY FOR THE, THE FULL PACKAGE MM-HMM.
AND WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ON WHAT'S NEEDED VERSUS WHAT'S WANTED AND A MILLION DOLLARS TO UNDERGROUND THE UTILITY.
THE OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND UHHUH
THAT'S JUST THE, THAT'S JUST TAKING ENCORE FROM OVERHEAD LINES TO UNDERGROUND.
ARE THERE GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR US TO DO THAT? I MEAN, I'M GUESSING IT'S MORE THAN JUST AESTHETICS.
ANYTHING YOU CAN APPLY FOR OR IS IT JUST NO, WE, WE CAN CHECK.
I I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY ELECTRICAL GRANTS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE.
UH, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY CHECK INTO THAT.
UM, AND THE COST IS BECAUSE OF HOW ENCORE WANTS IT DONE.
LIKE THEY WANT THEIR OWN CONCRETE.
SO THE, THE COST IS KIND OF BECAUSE OF HOW ENCORE WANTS IT DONE, BUT KIND OF BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN AND A NORMAL SITUATION, IF WE HAD SUFFICIENT ROOM OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY TO A DEDICATED UTILITY EASEMENT WHERE THEY COULD BE OVER THERE IN LIKE THE GRASSY AREA, WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR A CONCRETE DUCT BANK WITH ALL THESE MANHOLES TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM, I MEAN RIGHT NOW IF YOU DRIVE DOWN LIVE OAK, WE HAVE MAYBE 15, 20 FEET BEFORE YOU HIT PEOPLE'S HOUSES ON SOME SIDES OF THE ROAD.
AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND TRYING TO FIT PARKING AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER 10 TO 15 FOOT OF EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO PUT A, THE UTILITIES IN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM UNLESS WE TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO SOMEBODY'S FRONT DOOR.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, ENCORE IS SAYING, WELL, I HAVE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
IF I'M GONNA GO IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CITY ROAD, I WANNA BE IN A CON CONCRETE DUCK BANK AND NOBODY ELSE CAN TOUCH IT.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT COST FACTOR IS COMING IN.
SAY IF YOU DON'T MOVE THAT, DOES IT AFFECT, 'CAUSE IT'S NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE POWER POLES.
DOES THAT AFFECT HOW WIDE OF THE STREET WE CAN HAVE? OR LIKE THE POLE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MOVED REGARDLESS, EVEN IF YOU DO SOMETHING.
SO IF IT IS A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT IS 350,000 TO MOVE 'EM OUT OF RIGHT.
WHERE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD, BUT TO EVEN WIDEN THE THING, THEN YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT AS A MILLION.
IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IF YOU DON'T DO IT WHEN YOU BUILD THE ROAD
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VERSUS DOING IT, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THE LONG TERM MOST IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY, BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE OTHER ONE NUMBER THAT I WANNA SEE HERE IS YES, OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND.THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE RELOCATION COST IF YOU DON'T DO OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND.
AND WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? WELL, OR DOES ENCORE JUST THEN PAY FOR THAT? ONCE AGAIN, YOU GET, I BELIEVE THAT OUR, OUR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH ENCORE SAYS IF THEY ARE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY AND ARE ARE IN OUR WAY, THEY WILL REMOVE OUT OF OUR WAY AT THEIR COST.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS MOVING A, SHIFTING A POLE OVER TO GET OUT OF OUR WAY IS ONE THING VERSUS US SAYING, WE WANT YOU TO GO UNDERGROUND.
AND, BUT THE OTHER THING IS I'LL, I'LL JUST REMIND THE COUNSEL.
UH, WE ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVED DESIGN FOR LIVE OAK BACK IN 2019, I THINK IT WAS.
YOU GUYS DESIGNED IT AND YOU STARTED A PROJECT AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF ALL OF IT, BUT I, THE PROJECT WAS STOPPED AND THEN WHEN I GOT HERE, IT WAS, WE DON'T LIKE THE DESIGN, LET'S REDESIGN IT.
AND, AND SO WE'RE REDESIGNING IT AND THAT'S WHERE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS COMING FROM NOW ABOUT PUTTING IT UNDERGROUND AND DOING, I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WAS DONE IN 2019 LEFT THE POWER POLES WHERE THEY WERE.
AND SO YOU WEREN'T INCURRING ANY COSTS OR ANY MOVEMENT OF THOSE.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES BECAUSE RIGHT, 2019 WAS BEFORE WE HAD THE ICE STORMS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ABOUT LOSING ELECTRICITY DURING AN ICE STORM.
UM, CONCERNS ABOUT TREES GETTING IN THE POWER LINES.
UM, THAT KIND OF, AND THEN THE AESTHETIC FACTOR, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS, WHAT THE ULTIMATE VISION IS FROM COUNCIL AS FAR AS WHAT THEY WANT THE ROAD TO LOOK LIKE.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE 2019 DESIGN? YEAH, WE COULD IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS AND JUST LEAVE THE POWER POLES UP.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE THEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS CHANGED THAT NOW WE'RE AT AIMING AT A DIFFERENT VISION.
LIKE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN A VERY DEF FINE WAY.
THINK THE PREVIOUS THING WAS MAYBE NOT DONE WITH FULL COUNCIL.
THERE'S THE COUNCIL, THE DECISIONS GOT MADE AND THERE'S A COUNCIL THAT SAT UP ON THE DAAS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
AND THE ONES THAT SAT UP ON THE DAAS DIDN'T ALWAYS PARTAKE IN THE DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T DO.
AND SO THEN DIRECTIONS WENT OUT.
COUNCIL WANTS THIS AND COUNCIL WANTS THAT.
THERE'S REALLY NO VOTES FOR WHAT COUNCIL WANTED OR DIDN'T WANT.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE REBUILDING LIVE OAK AND I'M NOT AGAINST PERSONALLY THE UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES, BUT WE GOT A BILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS IN PROJECTS.
AND TO ME, WE GOTTA, MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT, WE HAVE TO GO WITH NEEDS AND DO WE NEED TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES RIGHT NOW FOR 7 MILLION? THAT'S AN INTERSECTION.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND FOREGO AN INTERSECTION SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN BORROW, IS WHAT I MEAN.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT A TAX TO GO ABOVE NO NEW REVENUE.
WE'RE TALKING LIKE A TRIPLING.
IF WE WERE TO DO A BILLION IN PROJECTS AND THEN LIVE OAK IS 6 MILLION OUTTA ALL THE ROADS, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ROAD TO REBUILT.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ROAD TO REPAVE.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ROAD TO SMOOTH OUT JUST AS I THINK METCALF AND HUDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS, E STREET, WEST STREET, MAIN STREET, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING NOTHING ON ANY ROADS AND WE'RE GONNA THROW 6 MILLION AT A ROAD THAT IF YOU DID A TRAFFIC COUNT, WHAT WOULD THE CAR COUNT BE THERE? AND AGAIN, YOU WOULD BE FOREGOING MANY OTHER ROADS IN THE CITY WHEN I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE, THEY JUST, THEY WANNA STOP HITTING POTHOLES AND THEY WANNA PLANT, WHICH I DON'T THINK REALLY HAVE A PLAN, BUT I JUST FIND IT TOUGH TO START LOOKING AT MILLIONS, GOING TO SOMETHING THAT THERE'S FIXES TEMPORARILY.
AND WE TAKE ON THINGS FOR 40, 50, 60,000 PEOPLE A DAY ARE GOING THROUGH INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE NOT SIGNING ON OUR LIST.
I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE FRONTAGE ROADS ON ONE 30 ON OUR LIST OF PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S 7 MILLION, THAT'S 6 MILLION WE COULD PUT TO FINISH UP THE DESIGN, THE STUDY AND DOING ALL THAT.
TO ME, THAT'S A BIGGER IMPACT TO HUDA THAN THE LIVE.
BUT I THINK WE GO THROUGH AND AND THAT'S BOND MONEY AND I GET THAT AND MAINTENANCE IS NOT GONNA BE BOTTLE MONEY.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOCUSED ON LIVE OAK.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO TAKE IT ANY FURTHER EAST RIGHT NOW.
UH, AT LEAST THAT'S ON THE CIP BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY POPULAR TO TALK ABOUT.
AND I'LL HAVE A GUY DOWN THERE YELLING AT ME HERE BEFORE LONG.
BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM RICK WHAT THE MAINTENANCE PLAN IS FOR OLD DOWN DAYS? DAYS,
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I MEAN, STREETS? YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD.SO THE CURRENT MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT'S KIND OF, UH, APPROVED IF IT'S FUNDED AT A 1.2 MILLION OR GREATER IN THE FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME IS ABOUT, UM, 18,000 LINEAR FEET OF, OF, UH, STREETS.
AND THAT'S ROUGHLY AROUND $65 PER LINEAR FOOT JUST BASED ON THE CURRENT PRICING THAT WE HAVE FOR CONTRACTORS WE HAVE.
SO THAT, THAT ESTIMATE IS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE FOR MILL AND OVERLAY.
SO MILL AND OVERLAY FOR, UH, THE STREETS IN OLD TOWN STARTING, UH, WE HAVE THREE PACKETS RIGHT NOW OUT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, IN LINE THREE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE GONNA DO THREE STREETS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS INCLUDES TAYLOR, A PORTION OF PECAN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE DOING IT UH, WEST OF 1660 BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE TANK.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE E STREET, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS ALSO HAS BEEN TO PREP THOSE STREETS, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SOME CURB RE UH, REDOING SOME OF THE CURBS AND ALSO, UM, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE HAVE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR, UH, REMOVAL OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE IN PLAY RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU SHOULD START SEEING THE FIRST PACKET OF, UM, TAYLOR, UM, THE END OF THIS MONTH THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE LIKE ONE TO TWO DAY, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION, REMOVE THE ASPHALT AND THEY'LL PAVE.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEING COORDINATED WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS THERE.
SO THAT'S ABOUT $150,000 WORTH OF WORK IN, IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT HERE.
UH, AND THEN SO YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES FIVE, YOU'LL GET ABOUT, UM, $1.2 MILLION WORTH OF WORK IN OLD TOWN, UH, OVER THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE FUNDING CURRENTLY.
SO I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE WITH THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, LIKE ACCOUNT THAT OLD TOWN IS WITH THE MILL AND OVERLAY, IT'S KIND OF BEING TAKEN CARE OF TO SOME EXTENT RIGHT? YEAR AFTER YEAR, AS LONG AS IT'S FUNDED.
RIGHT? SO I GUESS THE BIG QUESTION IS, IS WHY VO AND THE, THE HIGH PRICE DOLLAR, THE HIGH PRICE TAG OF THAT? BECAUSE IF THAT CONTINUES TO BE FUNDED, THEN THAT WOULD FIX ALL OF THE LOCAL, LOCAL STREETS THAT WE CALLED IT, LIKE THE LOCAL STREETS OR AT LEAST WOULD MAINTAIN THEM, RIGHT? UM, AND HAVE THEM DRIVE FULL WITH WHAT THE CREW'S DOING OR THE CONTRACTOR.
SO YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY, UM, PLANNED FOR THE FUNDING.
UM, AND SO THE ONLY CONSIDERATION IS THAT IT'S, IT MAY BE TAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE REQUIRE MORE THAN WHAT THE PLAN, UH, CALLED FOR MEANING.
UM, YOU HAVE TO RESET MANHOLES OR YOU HAVE TO DO CARDBOARD AND SO THAT BEFORE THEY COME IN, DO THAT WORK, YOU GOTTA PREP IT.
AND WE DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER MORE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
SO WE'RE TAKING TRAFFIC COUNTS TO SEE WHAT THE BEST, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN NEEDS TO BE.
UM, BUT IT IS JUST GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT IT IS STILL IN THE FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND SO THAT ESTIMATE IS IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACTOR COST ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE PLAN AS WELL AS CURRENT BIDS.
SO THAT'S 1.2 MILLION DOING THAT OVER FIVE YEARS.
THAT IS PART OF YOUR ROAD MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT JUST SAYING YOU COULD DO IT IN FIVE YEARS, 1.2 MILLION, YOU'RE SAYING YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS WHATEVER STREET'S BLOCKED OUT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THAT'S ALREADY FACTORED IN OR ARE WE TRADING MAINTENANCE IN OLD TOWN FROM MAINTENANCE WE WOULD'VE DONE SOMEWHERE ELSE? NO, IN, IF I PULL THE, THE, THE YEARLY LAYERS AND MAKE IT A FIVE YEAR PLAN, UH, IT PRETTY MUCH COVERS EVERY STREET FROM OUR EXISTING PLAN THAT HAS TO BE MILL AND OVERLAID ALREADY.
SO I'M NOT TAKING IT FROM ANY OTHER, UH, PLACE IN THE CITY.
IT IS ALREADY PLANNED FROM THE 1.2 MILLION BUDGET OR GREATER.
AND HOW SOON CAN WE, WE HAD TALKED LAST YEAR ABOUT SOME OF US HAD A, A DESIRE TO HAVE THAT PLAN POSTED ONLINE SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT, HEY LOOK, I JUST GOTTA DEAL WITH MY STREET.
IF COUNCIL KEEPS DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, WHAT POINT DO WE CONVEY THAT TO THE PUBLIC TO WHERE THEY KNOW, OKAY, THERE IS A PLAN.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S, IT'S POSTED RIGHT NOW AND THE THE THREE, UH, STREETS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ARE WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, TAYLOR EAST AND UM, CON THOSE
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ARE ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE AS A COLOR CODE OF MILL AND OVERLAY.THEY MAY SAY THIN MILL AND OVERLAY, BUT THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST THIN MILL.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S IN THERE.
IT'S, WHAT I DON'T HAVE IS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.
SO I CAN PUT ANOTHER MAP THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, IF IT'S A 1.2 MILLION BUDGET OR GREATER.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOTTA DO A MAP.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT STREET THEY LIVE ON WHERE IF YOU JUST HAVE THE STREETS LINED OUT, LIKE YEAH, BOTH THE, THE STREETS, UH, THE STREET LISTING AS WELL AS A MAP IS AVAILABLE ON, WHAT'S THAT UNDER PUBLIC COURTS, UH, WEBSITE.
IF I SEARCH IT, I CAN SEND, LET, SEE HERE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS YOU, AND I KNOW IT'S UNDER PUBLIC WORKS AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THE AVERAGE PERSON ON THE STREET, THEY JUST WANT TO LIKE GET IN A SEARCH BOX AND THEY WANNA SEARCH LIKE ROAD PLAN AND THEY DON'T WANNA KNOW THAT.
LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DEPARTMENT IS THAT IN? OKAY, THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE JUST NOT, UH, TYPICALLY WE'LL ALSO ATTACH IT TO A NEWS FLASH AND UH, WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE A, A NEW UPCOMING ONE.
YOU HAVE A, ANOTHER COUNCIL ITEM TONIGHT RELATED TO, UH, PRESERVATION.
UH, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE KIND OF ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT WEBSITE AS WELL.
AGAIN, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR MATT IS LIKE IF I PUT IN SEARCH BOX ROAD PLAN, I GET STRATEGIC PLANNING ON JULY 24, STRATEGIC PLAN, AUGUST 24, EAST, WEST WILCO, HIGHWAY 1 38, 2 OF THOSE, AND THEN PLANNING FROM 23 SO WE CAN WORK WITH CO COMMUNICATIONS AND FIND A A BETTER SPOT FOR THAT TO BE FOUND MORE EASILY.
WHAT WOULD YOU SEARCH? UM, IT'S UNDER PUBLIC WORKS AND YOU GET A STREETS AND DRAINAGE AND IT'S ON THAT LIST.
SO YOU GO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKED.
WE KNOW I JUST SEARCHED UP, UM, HOW DO PUBLIC WORKS OVERLAY AND I GOT TO IT.
NO, I, YEAH, I'M NOT TAKING IT RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLIC WORKS, I KNOW IT'S PUBLIC WORKS.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT PUBLIX WORKS DOES.
SO THEN WE HAD TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES AND IF IT'S A ROAD ISSUE, IT'S PUBLIC WORKS.
IF IT'S A WATER ISSUE, I UNLESS THAT PUBLIC WORKS OR IS THAT UTILITIES? YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND SO THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE ROAD, BUT ALSO IF YOU'RE DOING THE MILLION OVERLAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DRAIN THROUGH THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT YOU KNOW, MIGHT GET CUT BECAUSE OF BEING AT W REVENUE OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT FUNDED IN THE BUDGET 'CAUSE IT'S A NEW EXPENSE WITH NEW EMPLOYEES AND NEW EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT AFFECT AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT HELP OLD TOWN AND WE DIDN'T MAINTAIN, YOU SAID WE COULD KEEP EMPLOYED FOR A YEAR BUILDING SIDEWALKS IN AND UH, THE DRAINAGE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE, AND I THINK A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS NEED TO BE IN OLD TOWN.
THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE 'EM STACKED FOR.
IS IT TO DO IT WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS MILL? I'M JUST SAYING WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE REPAIR WORK ON THESE THREE ROADS, YOU WERE ALSO GONNA DO THE DRAINAGE IF YOU HAD THAT CREW, RIGHT? BUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO US NOW.
HOW DOES THAT MIRROR UP IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN? BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE ROADS AND DRAINAGE DITCHES REPAIRED.
I WOULD THINK AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY WOULD BE A, IN ADDITION TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE WOULD BE THE REPAIRING THE DRAINAGE IN OLD TOWN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE DITCHES LIE.
THAT INCLUDES THE CONCRETE WORK FOR THE CULVERTS AND, AND SIDEWALKS OR YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, THE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL.
SO IF ONE, ONE OF THE CULVERTS WERE, OR THE DITCH WERE TO COLLAPSE OR FAIL OR UH, WHATEVER THE SCENARIO IS, 'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT WORKS, UM, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST THE CITY TO CONTRACT IT OUT TO GET IT FIXED? OR CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH, I GUESS WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW IF THAT SCENARIO WERE TO HAPPEN AND THEN HOW THE CITY WOULD GO TO ADDRESS THAT ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY? YEAH, SO IF IT IS, WELL IF IT IS A, UH, CULVERT IN ONE OF THE DITCHES, THEN WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT BY, UH, DEPLOYING OUR STAFF TO EITHER, UM, ONE REMOVE, ASSESS IT FIRST, UH, REMOVE IT.
WE'VE HAD A FEW OF THOSE CALLS THAT WE WOULD DO IN-HOUSE.
UM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S MULTIPLE AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE CLOVERS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, THEN WE COULD ENTERTAIN WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD CONTRACT THAT OUT.
BUT CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE AN IN-HOUSE APPROACH TO THAT TO ASSESS IT IF IT, IF IT'S A COLLAPSE CULVERT ONE.
IF, IF WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN IT, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING.
IF IT'S COLLAPSED THEN WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE IT THE ENTIRE SECTION AND THEN PUT A NEW, UM, CULVERT.
AND IF WE HAVE TO POUR CONCRETE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POUR A NEW DRIVE.
AND WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON, I GUESS IF IT WERE TO COLLAPSE A WORST CASE SCENARIO, TIMEFRAME ON GETTING THAT ADDRESSED? DEPENDING ON THE STAFF YOU HAVE, TYPICALLY THAT'S MATERIALS IS NOT AN ISSUE TO OBTAIN.
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OF A STAFFING, UH, ISSUE, WHICH I WOULD SAY IF THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY ON ANOTHER PROJECT, THEY WOULD PROBABLY TAKE BETWEEN ONE TO TWO WEEKS TO TO TURN THAT AROUND.AND THEN I REMEMBER IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT IF WE WERE TO HAVE THE NEW FORMAT CREW, THEY COULD DO TWO OF THE CULVERTS A WEEK.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH, I THINK, UM, I, I MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING THIS OUT, YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH A CUSTOMER AS WELL.
SO IN EMERGENCY SENSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MORE EXPEDITED THAN YOU WOULD BE IF, IF YOU'RE PLANNING THIS OUT BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO I DID MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, ON A WEEKLY BASIS OR A MONTHLY BASIS THAT YOU'D HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN DO.
BUT THAT, THAT REALLY REFLECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF THAT WOULD BE PROPOSE WOULD BE DOING ESSENTIALLY DITCHES AND SIDEWALKS AS WELL.
I GUESS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS THAT'S SAFETY WISE ARE SIDEWALKS AND WALKABILITY THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO SIDEWALKS IN OLD TOWN.
DO WE WANT SIDEWALKS THERE? DO WE NOT WANT SIDEWALKS THERE? I MEAN I, I WOULD PREFER SOME SAFETY LIKE SIDEWALKS AND BIKERS COULD JUMP ON THE SIDEWALKS TOO.
BUT IF YOU KNOW THE COST, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE COST.
'CAUSE THE DOLLAR IS JUST TOO SCARY THEN.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
WE NEED TO, UM, WELL ON SOME OF THE SMALLER STREETS, AND IF IT GOES DOWN TO PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS IS WHAT A CITY PROVIDES.
IT PROVIDES, THEY PROVIDE STREETS, THEY PROVIDE SIDEWALKS AND SAFETY AND SO, I MEAN, BUT AT THE BASICS, BUT AT, BUT MAYBE YOU SAY, OKAY, LIVE OAK HAS SIDEWALKS AND THEN ONE NORTH SOUTH ROAD HAS SIDEWALKS, THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT TRAVELED THAT MUCH.
THEY CAN WALK DOWN, GET ON THE MAIN SIDEWALK TO THEN GET TO THE OTHER PLACES THEY, YEAH.
OR EVEN ONE SIDED, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS IN GEORGIA, THEY JUST HAVE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, HERE IN TEXAS EVERYBODY HAS A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, YARD.
YOU JUST HAVE ONE ON ONE SIDE.
AND SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU LIVE ON THIS SIDE, IF YOU WANNA WALK ON THE UH, SIDEWALK, YOU JUST CROSS THE STREET AND GET ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU, I GUESS DEVELOPERS DO THINGS SO AT LEAST ONE SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BECAUSE I GET IT THAT WE'RE RESTRICTED ON UH, SPACE SO WE CAN'T DO DOUBLE-SIDED AT, AT THE RISK OF MUDDYING UP THE MUDDY WATERS ALREADY.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT I PITCHED TO ASHLEY AND RICK WAS, YOU KNOW, I COME FROM SOUTHEAST MISSOURI SO YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR OLD TOWN WE HAD A LOT OF ONE WAY STREETS.
AND SO IF YOU DID ONE WAY STREETS, THEN NOW YOU DON'T NEED TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC NOW YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE ROOM FOR YOUR DRAINAGE DITCHES TO STAY AS DRAINAGE DITCHES.
YOU CAN STILL FIT IN A SIDEWALK AND YOU HAVE A ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHY I STARTED OUT BY SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AND WE, IT IS REALLY JUST
AND IT'S NOT US HAVING TO DECIDE ON THE STAFF LEVEL.
OKAY, WELL THEN THAT TIME GETS TO THE BIGGER SIDEWALK THAT THIS HAD.
BUT BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS, I MEAN IT WAS LIKE A FOUR HOUR MEETING GOING YEAH, WE WERE JUST SITTING THERE GOING, OKAY, WHO GETS THE BIG SIDEWALK? WHO GETS THE LITTLE SIDEWALK WHO DOESN'T GET PARKING THIS TIME? THAT DOES SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. YEAH.
I MEAN YEAH, THAT ABSOLUTELY DOES.
I MEAN, AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, ROADS THAT ARE NOT TRAVELED AND IT HELPS WITH THE PARKING DOWNTOWN FOR EVENTS AND BUSINESSES, IT'S GREAT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC COUNTS, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TURNING ANYTHING INTO A MAJOR DRAG STRIP BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LOW TRAFFIC COUNTS ALL AROUND.
BUT DEFINITELY KEEPING LIVE LIVE, I MEAN NOT SO NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST DECIDE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, NO BUT NO BUT AN IDEA THAT WE SHOULD BE PERCEIVING.
YEAH, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, BUT WHAT'S THE PRICE TAG ON THAT? WELL IT'S THOUGHT IT'D BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER.
OH YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT, YEAH, I MEAN I DIDN'T
THE PROBLEM IS THE ROADS ALL NEED TO BE REBUILT AT SOME POINT.
SO A LAYER OF ASPHALT TODAY BUYS US MAYBE FIVE OR 10 MORE YEARS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, TO CUSTOMER THORNTON'S POINT, MAYBE A, A MEETING AFTER THIS TAKEN, YOU GUYS COME BACK WITH LIKE A COUPLE OPTIONS.
THE BEST GUESS OF WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH INFLATION DOLLARS FOR WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD IT OUT OVER SAY FIVE OR 10 YEARS.
AND THEN MAYBE WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN AND SAY,
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I MEAN I AGREE WITH COLA.I THINK IN A SCENARIO LIKE THAT LIVE OAK NEEDS TO BE LONG TERM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EXTENDED.
SO THAT SHOULD PROBABLY STAY A TWO, A TWO WAY.
BUT THE OTHER ONES TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, I THINK THE QUESTION I REALLY ASKED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN IS PART OF OLD TOWN IS OLD TOWN, IT'S THE ALLURE OF IT.
I'M NOT SAYING PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEIR DITCHES NOT FLOODING AND THEY DON'T WANT UM, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY, UH, POWER LINES BURIED.
BUT IT'S KINDA LIKE SAYING YOU WANT A, I WANT A VERY OLD LOOKING HOUSE, CLASSIC ARCHITECTURE, BUT I WANT ALL THE UPGRADES AND EVERYTHING LIKE A BRAND NEW HOUSE.
IT'S TOUGH TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU A LOT OF TIMES YOU LOSE THE WHAT MADE IT.
SO I THINK IF YOU COME IN, YOU MAKE IT ONE WAY SIDEWALKS, YOU ADDRESS LANDSCAPING AND SOME OF THE ISSUES WHERE STUFF'S GROWN OUT OVER TIME AND DISHES AND YOU GOT TREES OVER, LIKE I KNOW ONE HOUSE THAT COME OUTTA THE DRIVEWAY, LUCKILY THERE'S NO TRAFFIC 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE EASTBOUND AT ALL.
SO YOU PULL OUT BLIND, YOU FIX SOME THINGS LIKE THAT AND I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD SIDEWALKS AND WALKABILITY AND YOU CAN KEEP THE ALLURE OF OLD TOWN WITHOUT COMING IN CHOPPING.
BECAUSE I ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT LIBO CHOPPING ALL THESE TREES DOWN TO PUT THIS IN.
LIKE, WELL GREAT, YOU'VE GOT ON STREET PARKING, YOU'VE GOT SIDEWALKS BUT YOU'VE LOST ALL THE TREES.
AND THEN I ALSO THINK IT LOOK VERY ODD TO HAVE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS TO THREE FOOT SIDEWALKS TO A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK.
IT WOULD JUST LOOK EXTREMELY LIKE IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE PLANNED IT POORLY, BUT IN REALITY WE PROBABLY PLANNED IT WELL, BUT MAYBE THAT'S AN IDEA THAT I COULD SEE CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH AND REPAY LATER UP TODAY BUT THEN HAVE A PLAN.
LAST THING I'D SAY IS WE HAVE A LUG OF MONEY COMING EVERY YEAR IN THREE YEARS THAT WE, WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'M NOT REAL BIG ABOUT TAKING ON A BUNCH OF DEBT TODAY BECAUSE IF WE TAKE IT ON TODAY THEN IN THREE YEARS WHAT DO WE DO WITH AN EXTRA 10, 15, 20 MILLION A YEAR
IN MY MIND, EVEN IF WE HAD A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU GUYS PROBABLY PHYSICALLY COULDN'T DO IT.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE ABOUT 50 PROJECTS COME OFF YOUR PLATE AND GO, I'M DOING 15 THIS YEAR, I'LL DO 15 NEXT YEAR INSTEAD OF I'LL DO 64 TODAY AND COUNCIL WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT I'M ACTUALLY GONNA BUILD IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
WE SHOULD JUST HAVE A PLAN AND GO, IT COULD CHANGE EVERY YEAR.
DON'T GET MAD BUT YOU'RE ENGINEERING NEXT YEAR FOR 26 OR 27 INSTEAD OF ENGINEERING TODAY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS OF PROJECTS.
UM, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT I THINK ONLY COMES WHEN YOU'RE BACK.
NOT YOU GUYS TOOK EASY ROB, BUT WHEN YOUR BACK'S AGAINST THE WALL AND YOU GOTTA COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND MONEY IS NOT THE ANSWER, THEN I THINK WE START GETTING CREATIVE AND THEN HOPEFULLY OLD TOWN PEOPLE LIKE AS MUCH AS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO, BUT THEY MAY HATE IT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT TO DO.
I THINK IT'S GREAT, AT LEAST WE'RE DOING THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? AT MINIMUM THAT'S THE BARE MINIMUM, RIGHT? AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH LIVE OAK RECONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN WHENEVER I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL LIVE OAK WAS GONNA BE $5 MILLION CASH MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND.
NOW WE'RE TALKING $10 MILLION BOND MONEY AND THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THREE YEARS.
AND SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SO THAT IT'S DONE.
IT'S A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, CHECKED OFF THE LIST AND IT WILL HOLD UP FOR 20 YEARS HOPEFULLY
BUT I MEAN MOVE FORWARD BUT THEN COME BACK WITH SOME PLANS ABOUT, DO YOU DO WHERE YOU START THE NORTH SOUTH ONE WAY STREETS AND THEN A COUPLE OF THE EAST WEST ONES.
MAYBE YOU KEEP, YOU KNOW, TAYLOR IS GOING DOWN TO THE RESIDENTIAL OR INTO THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THAT ONE STAYS A TWO WAY, BUT THAT WE HAVE LIVE OAK AND TAYLOR GOING OFF THE THING.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S BASICALLY IF YOU WANT TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN IT, PROBABLY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SHOULD IT BE A ONE WAY, IT'S PROBABLY WHAT GOES TOGETHER, RIGHT.
OTHERWISE THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE IT NECESSARILY.
WAS MY BOOK SEVEN NINE OR TEN SIX POINT ONE 10 WITH GROUNDING ALL THE, WITH THE UTILITY? NO, 6.11.
YOU KNOW, 10, 7, 6, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S 6.1 CONSTRUCTION, NOT INCLUDING HOWEVER MANY MILLIONS IN DESIGN WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.
I MEAN YOU, YOU ALREADY SPENT MONEY ON LIVE OAK 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY, YOU HAD STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION TO DO SOME OF THE UTILITY WORK AND THEN IT GOT, FOR WHATEVER REASON THE PROJECT HAS STOPPED ONCE THE WATER LINE WAS FIXED.
UM, SO YOU, YOU'D ALREADY SPENT, I DON'T KNOW, X NUMBER OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS DOING THE DESIGN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU SPENT ON CONSTRUCTION.
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PROJECT STOPPED AND NOW WE'RE SPENDING SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AGAIN FOR DESIGN AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE 6.1 FOR CONSTRUCTION ASSUMING THAT WE DO THE ENCORE STUFF.'CAUSE IT'S EASY FOR ME TO TELL ENCORE, NEVERMIND STAY WHERE YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST GONNA WORK AROUND YOU.
AND THAT ELIMINATES A MILLION DOLLARS FROM, FROM THE PRICE.
WAS WAS ATMOS A ROADBLOCK WITH THIS TOO OR ARE THEY OKAY THIS IS SLOWING US DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAD A DESIGN BUT THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS GROWING THEY HAVE TO GO IN WITH LARGER LINES THAN WHAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED.
SO THEY'RE REDOING THEIR DESIGN, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT COSTING US ANY MONEY.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY LIVE OAK RIGHT AWAY WE NEED TO ACQUIRE TO IF, IF EVERYTHING WAS READY DO CONSTRUCTION TOMORROW IS THE RIGHT WAY.
WE NEED TO ACQUIRE STILL THERE.
SO YES, POTENTIALLY GOING BACK A FEW MONTHS, WE HAD PRESENTED THIS TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL SAID IF YOU NEED TO GO GET TWO OR THREE EXTRA FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, JUST GO DO IT.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD ONGOING WITH ATMOS AND ENCORE AND AT AND T AND CENTURYLINK AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
AND SO POTENTIALLY YOU'RE TALKING TWO TO THREE FEET OF EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE WOULD ACQUIRE UNLESS CITY COUNCIL SAID LEAVE ENCORE WHERE IT IS.
LET'S JUST GET BACK TO THE BASICS OF GET THE TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, GET SIDEWALKS WHERE YOU CAN GET 'EM AND PUT THE STORM UNDERGROUND AND WE DON'T NEED TO ACQUIRE ANYMORE RIGHT AWAY.
THEN MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND WE JUST MOVE DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO WHATEVER YOU GOT, WHATEVER IT IS THAT COUNCIL WANTS, WE CAN STILL ADJUST 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT TIME TO ADJUST ON THIS ONE SINCE WE GOT TWO ELDERS HU THAT ALSO HAVE TO LIVE IN OLD TOWN.
I ONLY GOT FIVE MINUTES, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY IF THERE WAS A TWO-WAY LIVE OAK CONCEPTUALLY, WHATEVER ROADS WERE WHICH WAY NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST ONE WAY, DO YOU GUYS SEE THAT AS BEING CRAZY THAT OLD TOWN WOULD TURN INTO A MAIN THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT WITH CERTAIN ONE-WAY ROADS TO NAVIGATE AROUND? OR DO YOU GUYS SEE THAT AS LIKE A PAINT WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE OF HODA? ANY CHANGE? IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT I WILL SAY, UM, A MONTH OR SO AGO I WAS UP IN JUNIOR ALASKA, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL OF ALASKA, BUT IT'S, AND I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY ONE-WAY STREETS THERE WERE.
I MEAN IT WAS EVERYWHERE AND THERE WERE NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND IT WAS LIKE, THIS WORKS AND, AND THERE WERE SIDEWALKS.
OF COURSE IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A, A DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO SIMILAR IN THAT REGARD TO WE HAVE, BUT NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, WISE TO KNOW SORT OF WHAT THAT TRAFFIC COUNT IS ON EACH OF THOSE ROADS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS A, WHO GETS A ONE WAY STREET AND WHO GETS A TWO WAY STREET.
MAYBE E STREET STAYS TWO WAY AS WELL.
'CAUSE PEOPLE HEAD DOWN FROM DURANGO TO GET ON EITHER LIVE OAK OR TO GET TO 79.
YEAH, WELL AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THAT WHOLE AREA SO IT WOULDN'T NEED TO CHANGE.
MIKE, MR. MAYOR, UH, ON LIVE OAK, UH, I'VE NOTICED TREMENDOUS TRAFFIC FLOWS, UH, SINCE CITY HALL WAS BUILT HERE.
PEOPLE USE IT AS A SHORTCUT TO GET TO 1660.
SOME OF THEM FLY THROUGH THERE.
I'VE LITERALLY BEEN FORCED INTO THE DI DITCHES, UH, WALKING DOGS BEFORE, UH, BY THE TRAFFIC AND, AND I WAS ON THE EDGE.
BUT I MEAN, IF I DIDN'T WANT TO GET HIT OR PUT THE DOG IN DANGER, I WAS IN THE DITCH.
DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE LIKE WHAT, 50 YEARS, 40 YEARS HAVE YOU SEEN? YOU GOTTA BE WE'RE THE ONLY TWO THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 50 YEARS.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT IN, IN YOUR 50, IN YOUR 50 YEARS THERE, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW THAT JUST IN TALKING THAT MAY FREAK OUT IF WE EVEN START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUDDLE GOING ONE WAY AND METCALF GOING ONE WAY THE OTHER WAY AND WEST GOING HAPPENS.
UM, AND, AND IF IT'S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, I'M ALL FOR IT.
UH, LIVE OAK, WHEN IT WAS, UH, PUT FORWARD, UH, IN 2018 AND THEN DESIGNED IN 2019, UH, IT WENT THROUGH HOW MANY CHARETTES THREE DIFFERENT PUBLIC CHARETTES AND, AND NO TELLING HOW MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT THAT TIME.
AND THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO TREES CUT DOWN UNDER THE 2019
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PLAN WHATSOEVER.AND NO RIGHT OF WAY ON THE LIVE OAK STREET ACQUIRED BECAUSE IT WASN'T NEEDED.
UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO PLACES WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE INFRINGED ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, IN, IN THE ENTIRETY OF IT.
AND THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE TREES ON THE ENTIRETY, UH, OF LIVE OAK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PRUNED OR CUT DOWN AND THEY'RE NOT IN THAT GREAT A SHAPE AND THEY ARE ON CITY RIGHT AWAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE FEELING FOR NOT DOING UNDERGROUND UTILITY IN IN OLD TOWN? UH, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, AND I CAN ONLY ADDRESS THAT MOSTLY HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THEY'D LIKE THE SAME THING FOR OLD TOWN AS EVERY OTHER SUBDIVISION IN HU I, I'D PERSONALLY RATHER WAIT, UH, FIVE, 10 YEARS TO SEE OLD TOWN DONE RIGHT THAN A BANDAID SLEPT ON IT.
UH, JUST TO GET US OUT OF THE CURRENT ISSUE.
BUT MILLING ROADS IS GOING TO BE A, A TOTAL BANDAID FOR IT UNTIL YOU GET RID OF THE DITCHES AND UH, GET US UNDERGROUND, UH, WASTE, UH, UH, STORM SEWER.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE PROBLEM SOLVED AND AT LEAST ONE SIDEWALK ON EACH, UH, STREET, UH, THERE'S DOES THE CURRENT PLANE CALL FOR TWO CURRENT PLANE CALLS FOR ONE ON EACH SIDE OF I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING REDUCED DOWN TO ONE SIDE.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT I'D MUCH RATHER SEE ONE NICE WIDE SIDEWALK IN HU UH, THAT WAS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY THAN, UH, TWO THREE FOOTERS THAT YOU, YOU COULD BARELY WALK OFF.
I'D MUCH RATHER SEE A, A A FOUR OR SIX FOOTER, UH, ON ONE SIDE THAN, THAN, AND, AND Y'ALL CHOOSE THE SIDE.
BUT MY WHOLE THOUGHT ON THIS IS, LET'S MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROUD OF.
UH, GEORGETOWN IS THE PRIME EXAMPLE IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY ON HOW OLD TOWNS CAN BE, UH, FIXED UP AND DONE NICELY WITH, UH, SIGNAGE, CURB AND GUTTERING, UH, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES IN, IN MOST AREAS.
AND, AND THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, ALL WE WANT IS THE SAME THAT EVERY OTHER SUBDIVISION IN HU GETS.
AND, AND, AND I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
GEORGETOWN HAS THE STREETS AS WELL DOWNTOWN.
NOTHING WRONG WITH ONE WAY STREETS.
SO I DON'T MIND IF, IF WE HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN AND LET'S SAY LIKE NEXT WEEK WE HAD A PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE MEETINGS AT OLD TOWN AND WE SAID AS A COUNCIL, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE LIVE OAK TWO WAY.
THIS IS ONE WAY, THIS IS ONE WAY.
AND WE HAD LIKE A FIVE OR 10 YEAR PLAN.
I DON'T MIND STARTING LIVE OAK TODAY, BUT I HAVE THE ISSUE ALWAYS WITH 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC TO OLD TOWN BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE WE ARE COMING IN AND OUT TO HIT THE ONE WAYS THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
BUT IF WE'RE JUST GONNA THOSE 7 MILLION AT A, AT A ROAD AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE REST OF IT LATER, THAT'S THE PART THAT I ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS I CAN'T DO ONE YEAR PERSONALLY AT A TIME.
I GOTTA DO FIVE, 10, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET TO THE END OF THE PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHAT I GOTTA DO TO WHERE THEN WE CAN, I CAN COMMUNICATE TO THAT ONE PERSON THAT'S NOT ON LIVE OAK THAT'S UPSET AND GO, WE'RE NOT GETTING YOU TODAY, BUT WE'RE GETTING YOU IN 2028 OR 2027.
AND THEN AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HOOK TO INSTEAD OF YOU GUYS WANT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE CUT OUT HERE? YEAH, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO FINISH MOST OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO ASK STAFF.
SO LIVE OAK AS IT IS TODAY, AS IT IS DESIGNED TODAY WITH MOVING THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND, IS IT FUNDED OR IS IT NOT FUNDED? I WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE THE
SO THE BONDING WAS FIVE OR YOU NEED TO SHARE THAT? WE JUST RECENTLY DID WHATEVER THAT ONE'S CALLED.
SO IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF WE WANTED TO DO IT, WE WOULD NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER MILLION IF WE WANTED TO DO UNDERGROUND.
NOW I JUST HAVE TO LOOK, I DON'T KNOW,
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SORRY.SO, SO NO DRAINAGE IS ADDRESSED? NO SIDEWALKS ARE ADDRESSED.
IT'S JUST STREETS, IT'S JUST MILL OVER LAKE.
IT IS A FIRE PLACE BASED ON THE STREET.
AND THEN DEBBIE, I DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU.
ARE YOU HEARING THE SAME THING FOR UNDERGROUND UTILITIES? ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT THEY DON'T REALLY CARE OR I THINK GENERALLY UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE THING TO HAVE, UM, I I WOULD JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE OLDEST TREES IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE IN OLD TOWN.
AND SO IF YOU'RE DOING THINGS THAT ARE GONNA, WE HAD A LOT OF TREES DAMAGED JUST ON HU STREET WITH ONE OF THE LAST STORMS LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO.
SO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES JUST, I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT I MEAN IT'S GONNA LAST, I MEAN HOW LONG, HOW LONG DO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES LAST EXACTLY.
IF IT'S IN THE CEMENT BLOCK? YEAH.
BUT, BUT, BUT THE UTILITY COMPANY PAYS FOR THAT MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT OH, I'M MAKING IT EASIER FOR ENCORE TO MAINTAIN STUFF.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THE LIFE OF LIFE OF IT, BUT THEN ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
YOU JUST LIKE THE WIND, A GUST OF WIND OF TEXAS WIND CAN BLOW THE TREE JUST THE RIGHT WAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S RIDICULOUS.
AND THEN TAKE DOWN THE POWER POLE, OLD TOWN FOLKS.
WELL, I MEAN, IT HAS TO DO WITH RIGHT WHERE THE SOURCE WAS, WHATEVER HAPPENED.
OLD TOWN PRESERVATION BEING THE REASON THAT THEY WANT THAT.
BUT YES, THE PRESERVATION OF, OF WHAT'S RIGHT, WHAT'S HERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT OF OLD TOWN, SO WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO GENERALLY PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE PRESERVED RIGHT.