* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL [1. CALL SESSION TO ORDER ] RIGHT. SEVEN O'CLOCK. WE'LL CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2024 TO ORDER. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU WAITING ON HIM. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. WE DID NOT HEAR YOUR RESPONSE. RANDALL, CAN YOU HEAR US? I'LL TRY MESSAGING IN MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. UM, COUNCILOR KOHLER HERE. COUNCILMAN PORTERFIELD. MAYOR PROAM GORDON. HERE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. IS IT APPROPRIATE JUST TO KEEP GOING? CITY ATTORNEY AND WHEN HE CHECKS IN, HE CHECKS IN. HOW'S, HOW DO WE DO THIS? I JUST MESSAGED HIM HERE. OKAY. JUST ANNOUNCED THAT HE'S PRESENT BUT NOT ABLE TO SPEAK. CAN YOU HEAR US? ALRIGHT, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING AND WHEN HE CHECKS IN AND WE HEAR HIM. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE'LL BE LED IN VACATION BY AMAM KASIM CHARI REPRESENTING THE, AND I APOLOGIZE SIR, THE AMIA, AM I SOUND RIGHT. MUSLIM COMMUNITY. SO PLEASE RISE. I BEGAN IN THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISHMAEL, AND ISAAC. THE GOD OF MOSES, JESUS AND MUHAMMAD. PEACE BE UPON ALL OF THEM. THE GOD WHO IS THE MOST GRACIOUS EVER MERCIFUL AS MAY PEACE AND BLESSINGS OF GOD ALMIGHTY BE UPON YOU ALL. I'M HONORED AND HUMBLE TO STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE EDDI MUSLIM COMMUNITY. MUSLIMS WHO BELIEVE THE LATTER DAY MESSIAH HAS COME. WE JOIN TOGETHER IN PRAYER BEFORE OUR CREATOR. I WILL NOW RECITE A FEW VERSES FROM THE ISLAMIC HOLY BOOK, THE HOLY QURAN. ALL PRAISE BELONGS TO GOD. LORD OF ALL THE WORLDS, THE GRACIOUS, THE MERCIFUL MASTER OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. YOU ALONE, DO WE WORSHIP AND YOU ALONE? DO WE SEEK HELP? GUIDE US ON THE RIGHT PATH, THE PATH OF THOSE ON WHOM YOU HAVE BESTOWED YOUR BLESSINGS. THOSE OF THOSE WHO HAVE NOT GONE ASTRAY, NOR OF THOSE WHO HAVE ENCOURAGED YOUR DISPLEASURE. OYE WHO BELIEVE, BE STEADFAST IN THE CAUSE OF GOD, BEARING WITNESS AND JUSTICE. AND LET NOT AT PEOPLE'S HOSTILITY INCITE YOU TO ACT OTHERWISE THAN WITH JUSTICE. BE ALWAYS JUST THAT IS NEARER TO RIGHTEOUSNESS AND FEAR. GOD. SURELY GOD IS AWARE OF WHAT YOU DO AND CREATE NOT DISORDER IN THE EARTH AFTER IT HAS BEEN SET IN ORDER AND CALL UPON HIM GOD IN FEAR AND HOPE. SURELY THE MERCY OF GOD IS CLOSE UNTO THOSE WHO DO GOOD. OH OUR LORD. DO NOT PUNISH US IF WE FORGET OR FALL INTO ERROR. OH OUR LORD. BURDEN US NOT WITH WHAT WE HAVE, NOT THE STRENGTH TO BEAR AND REMOVE OUR SINS AND GRANT US FORGIVENESS AND HAVE MERCY ON US. SURELY YOU ARE OUR MASTER, OUR LORD FORGIVE US, OUR ERRORS AND OUR EXCESSES AND OUR CONDUCT AND MAKE FIRM OUR STEPS. OH MY MASTER, MY OMNIPOTENT GOD, MY BELOVED, MY GUIDE AND MY LEADER. OH, CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH. OH, YOU WHO HAVE CONTROLLED THE WINDS AND TIDES. OH YOU WHO SEND THOUSANDS OF GUIDES AND THOUSANDS OF LEADERS FOR THE GUIDANCE OF MANKIND. FROM ADAM TO JESUS. OH GREAT AND EXALTED. ONE WHO APPOINTED THE GREAT PROPHET, OH GRACIOUS ONE WHO CREATED THE MESSIAH FROM AMONG THE SERVANTS OF THE PROPHET, OH, CREATOR OF LIGHT AND A FACER OF SPIRITUAL DARKNESS. I PROSTRATE BEFORE YOU. YES, ONLY BEFORE YOU. OH MY DEAR GOD, SAVE MY PEOPLE FROM ALL TRIALS AND ANGUISHES PROTECT THEM FROM EVERY FORM OF DIFFICULTY. CREATE AMONG THEM NOBLE AND INSPIRATIONAL PEOPLE. MAY THEY BECOME ONE NATION THAT YOU SELECT AS YOUR OWN. AND MAY THEY BECOME ONE GROUP WHICH YOU SELECT FOR YOURSELF. MAY THEY BE PROTECTED FROM THE ONSLAUGHTS OF SATAN AND MAY ANGELS CONTINUE TO DESCEND UPON THEM. BLESS THIS GROUP IN THE WORLD AND IN FAITH. BLESS THEM, BLESS THEM. BLESS AMERICA AND THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS. AMIN AND AGAIN AMIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS. FLAG, PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER UNDER GOD, ONE AN IVIS. ALL RIGHT, NEXT. IF THE COUNCIL JOIN ME UP FRONT FOR SOME PROCLAMATIONS [00:05:02] MEMBERS WE'RE THE FIRST ONE IS A HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. MEMBERS OF OUR DNI THAT ARE HERE, MEMBERS OF OUR HISPANIC, WE'D LIKE TO COME UP. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS [5.1. Hispanic Heritage Month - September 15-October 15, 2024 ] A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. WHEREAS NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH IS CELEBRATED NATIONWIDE FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH THROUGH OCTOBER 15TH EACH YEAR. THIS OBSERVATION STARTED IN 1968 AS HISPANIC HERITAGE WEEK BY PRESIDENT LB JOHNSON AND WAS EXPANDED BY PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN IN 1988 TO COVER THE MONTH AT WHICH IT IS CELEBRATED TODAY. UNDERSTANDING THAT SEPTEMBER 15TH IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT IS THE ANNIVERSARY OF INDEPENDENCE FOR LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES, COSTA RICA, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA, HONDURAS, AND NICARAGUA. IN ADDITION, MEXICO CELEBRATES THEIR INDEPENDENCE DAY ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AND CHILE CELEBRATES THEIR INDEPENDENCE DAY ON SEPTEMBER 18TH. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUDU LOOKS FORWARD TO HONORING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH AND CELEBRATES THE RICH HERITAGE ARTS HISTORIES, FOOD, MUSIC, AND TRADITIONS OF ALL 26 AND MORE LATIN AMERICAN NATIONS, WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT THESE NATIONS ARE NOT MONOGAMOUS AND THIS MONTH CELEBRATES HONORS AND PAYS TRIBUTE TO ALL FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO HUDU, TO TEXAS AND TO OUR SOCIETY. WHEREAS LATINOS ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DESCENDANTS FROM LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES AND MAY SPEAK A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. HISPANICS OR INDIVIDUALS THAT SPEAK SPANISH AND ARE DESCENDANTS FROM SPANISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES, INCLUDING SPAIN. LATINX IS A GENDER NEUTRAL OR NON-BINARY TERM FOR PEOPLE OF LATIN AMERICAN DESCENT. AND WE REC RECOGNIZE THE LATINX IDENTITY ALSO ENCOMPASSES PEOPLE IN BLACK, AFRICAN, ASIAN, INDIGENOUS, AND QUEER COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS RECOGNIZING THAT HISPANICS AMOUNT TO AN ESTIMATED 11.9 MILLION RESIDENTS TOTALLING 40.2% OF THE STATE OF TEXAS POPULATION OF WHICH THOSE RESIDENTS SPEAK ENGLISH AND OR SPANISH. UNDERSTANDING THAT HISPANICS ARE EXTREMELY ENTREPRENEURIAL AND PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN OUR ECONOMY AND WORKFORCE AND HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO MAKING TEXAS PROUD. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUDDLE RECOGNIZES THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF ALL HISPANIC CITY EMPLOYEES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION AND BELONGING COMMISSION OF HUDU RECOGNIZES THAT HELP IS NEEDED TO INCREASE CULTURAL AWARENESS, EDUCATION, ENRICHMENT, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR RESIDENTS. IT IS THROUGH THEIR SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT OUR CITY WILL CONTINUE TO BECOME MORE CULTURALLY DIVERSE AND A WELCOMING CITY FOR EVERYONE. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF HUDU IS COMMITTED TO RECOGNIZING HISPANIC LATINO, LATINX CULTURE AND HERITAGE AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY AND ITS STRONG INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. AND NOW THEREFORE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HU DUE, HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 15TH THROUGH OCTOBER 15TH, 2024 AS NATIONAL HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH AND CALL ITS OBSERVANCE TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. DID LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? NO, NO. THANK YOU. NO . ANYBODY FROM OUR COMMISSION? THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION READ ON BEHALF OF LATINOS AND HISPANICS, UH, FOR, UH, HURO AND UH, IDENTIFY THOSE DATES. THANK YOU. LEMME GET A QUICK PHOTO OF YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. OH, THE NAME? YEAH. [5.2. National Night Out - October 1, 2024 ] WE HAVE ONE OTHER PROCLAMATION. IT'S A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND PEOPLE FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEF COME ON UP HERE. HOW YOU DOING? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, WHEREAS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TOWN WATCH NATW SPONSORS A NATIONAL COMMUNITY BUILDING CAMPAIGN ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 [00:10:03] ENTITLED NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. AND WHEREAS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IS CELEBRATING 40 YEARS OF COMMUNITY BUILDING THAT PROMOTES STRONG POLICE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMRADERY TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFER. WE CARING PLACES TO LIVE AND WORK. AND WHEREAS THE RESIDENTS OF HUDU PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN ASSISTING THE HU POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH JOINT COMMUNITY BUILDING EFFORTS. AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT CAMPAIGN PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS IN HUDU TO JOIN OVER 38 MILLION NEIGHBORS ACROSS 17,000 COMMUNITIES FROM ALL 50 STATES, US TERRITORIES AND MILITARY BASES WORLDWIDE. AND WHEREAS IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT ALL NEIGHBORS OF HUDU COME TOGETHER WITH POLICE AND WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD A SAFER, MORE CARING COMMUNITY. AND NOW THEREFORE WE, THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HU DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 AS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND ENCOURAGE ALL HUDDLE RESIDENTS TO JOIN US FOR THE EVENT. CHIEF, I KNOW YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY AND SOMETHING PLANNED FOR THIS NIGHT. WHAT YOU GOT? ALRIGHT, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PROCLAMATION AND WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENT, OCTOBER 1ST. AND WE WANNA THANK OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE HU IS SAFE FOR A REASON. WE'RE ONE OF THE SAFEST COMMUNITIES FOR A REASON. AND ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE PARTNERSHIP THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE FOR OUR COM WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY HAS WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THAT LEVEL OF RESPECT THAT IS SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T FIND EVERY PLACE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WHEN WE HAVE OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, IT, WHEN GO TO OUR COMMUNITIES, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FAMILY REUNION BECAUSE THE OFFICERS KNOW OUR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY KNOW AND RESPECT OUR OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO CALL OUR OFFICERS WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES GOING ON. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRULY VALUE BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT, WHICH IS CRIME HAS BEEN DETERRED. THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE OUR CITIZENS ARE CALLING US, THEY'RE SENDING US NOTIFICATIONS ON OUR TIPS 4 1 1 APP SAYING THAT X IS GOING ON OR Y IS GOING ON AND WE'RE GETTING THERE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT WHO WE DO IT FOR AND THEY CARE ABOUT US ENOUGH TO CALL US. AND SO WE'RE WANTING TO COME OUT AND CONTINUE TO CULTIVATE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND THAT PARTNERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE HURO REMAIN THE SAFEST CITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, IF NOT THE COUNTRY. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, WELL THANKS SIR. AND I WILL SAY SOMETHING, THE CHIEF AND HIS POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE DOING SO GOOD THAT EVEN SHALL I SAY, SUSPECTED CRIMINALS COME TO YOUR POLICE STATION FOR ASSISTANCE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BEING CHASED BY THE POLICE THIS LAPTOP. SO, GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. IT'S GONNA BE ON TV ONE DAY. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS, Y'ALL LEMME KNOW IF THEY GOT IT WORKING NOW WE HEAR YOU. WE HEAR YOU. COUNCILOR CLARK, ARE YOU HERE? PRESIDENT. OKAY. NEXT STEP BRINGS [6. CITY MANAGER COMMENTS] US UP TO CITY MANAGER COLLINS MAYOR, COUNCIL, UH, CITIZENS OF HUDDLE FOR THE RECORD, JAMES ARP, CITY MANAGER, UM, QR CODE. THIS ALLOWS YOU TO SCAN ON YOUR PHONE AND BRING UP A LINK TO ALL THE ITEMS THAT I AM ANNOUNCING TONIGHT. UH, FIRST IS ROAD AND ROAD MAINTENANCE ANNOUNCEMENTS. UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. UH, GENERALLY, UH, HIGHLAND NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD IS CURRENTLY SEEING, UH, THE, THE STREET MAINTENANCE ROLL OUT, UH, WITH HOLBROOK ASPHALT COMPANY. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, TREATING STREETS FROM SEPTEMBER 16TH THROUGH OCTOBER 1ST. RESIDENTS OF HIGHLAND NORTH CAN VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE DETAILS ON TIMES AND, AND WHICH, UH, STREETS AND BLOCKS AND E STREET TRAFFIC CHANGES BEGAN. UM, ON SEPTEMBER 17TH AND TRAFFIC ON E STREET E STREET WILL NOW BE STOPPING AT LIVE OAK AND HODO STREET WILL BE STOPPING AT E STREET DURING THIS SAME TIMEFRAME. A MILLON OVERLAY TREATMENT IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 26TH. THIS PROCESS REMOVES THE TOP LAYER OF ASPHALT AND REPLACES IT WITH A FRESH LAYER. THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES THAT ARE ON THAT, UH, STRETCH OF ROAD WILL ALSO BE REMOVED AT THE SAME TIME SINCE THE STOP SIGNS WILL BE GOING UP IN PLACE. PECAN STREET, UH, MILLON OVERLAY WILL OCCUR BETWEEN WEST STREET AND FM 1660 DOWNTOWN STREET CLOSERS, CLOSURES AND TRAFFIC DETOURS WILL BE IN PLACE ON SEPTEMBER 25TH FROM 7:00 AM TO [00:15:01] 5:00 PM WITH EXPECTED REOPENING BY 5:00 PM OF THE SAME DAY. UPCOMING EVENTS WITH COOLER WEATHER AHEAD, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL EVENTS LINED UP ON TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24TH. HERE AT CITY HALL, THE HU POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR SU SUICIDE PREVENTION. MONTH FREE RESOURCES WILL BE AVAILABLE AND ATTENDEES ARE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR PURPLE AND TEAL CANDLES WILL BE PROVIDED. DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE HU PD FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, HAPPENING OCTOBER 1ST. UH, REGISTERING WITH THE PD GIVES THE PD A MAP OF WHERE THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO, UH, MAKE, UH, UH, VISITS AND THAT, UH, HELPS THEM MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET TO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. UH, COMING UP AT CITY HALL IS AN ADAPTIVE DANCE. IT'S AN EVENING OF FUN TO OPEN TO MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS AND OLDER FOR FREE. NIGHT OF DANCING FROM SE FROM SEVEN TO 9:00 PM ON OCTOBER 12TH. THE DANCE IS OPEN TO INDIVIDUALS WITH DIVERSE PHYSICAL, COGNITIVE, OR EMOTIONAL CAPABILITIES. FORMAL ATTIRE IS WELCOME, BUT ATTENDEES ARE ENCOURAGED TO DRESS COMFORTABLY. WE ALSO HAVE THE FAMILY CAMP OUT. SO THIS IS A FRIGHTFULLY FANTASTIC FAMILY ADVENTURE THIS FALL WITH A FAMILY CAMP OUT AT ADAM ORAIN PARK ON OCTOBER 18TH. S'MORES EDUCATIONAL DEMONSTRATIONS AND DINNER AROUND THE CAMPFIRE IS PLANNED FOR YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. AND THEN HU WEEN HU WEEN IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. UH, FRITZ AT ORGAIN SATURDAY, OCTOBER 26TH WILL BE THE TRICK OR TREAT THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH VENDORS WHO ARE SETTING UP AT THE ADAM OR GAME PARK. UM, THE, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, THE TRICK OR TREAT WITH VENDORS IS SET UP AT ADAM OR GAIN PARK FROM FIVE 30 TO 7:30 PM WITH THE SENSORY FRIENDLY TIME 30 MI 30 MINUTES PRIOR. SO FRITZ AT ORAIN, THIS IS BEING HELD AT ADAM ORAIN BECAUSE FRITZ PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED FRITZ AT ORAIN. AND THEN PARKS AND REC IS HOSTING ITS ANNUAL HOUSE DECORATING CONTEST. UH, THIS IS FREE AND OPEN TO ALL IN THE 7 8 6 3 4 ZIP CODE. SO VISIT THE SITE AND SEE THE CATEGORIES THAT WE'LL BE JUDGING. AND, UH, MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. [7. PUBLIC COMMENT] WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE LIGHT WILL START AT GREEN. WHEN THERE'S 30 SECONDS LEFT, IT'LL GO TO YELLOW. AND THEN WHEN RED, UM, POPS UP, YOUR TIME'S UP. RICK, ARE YOU HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? IT DOESN'T SAY. OKAY, FIRST PERSON UP IS RICK HUDSON. HEY EVERYBODY. RICK HUDSON, RESIDENT OF HU. UM, NO SCRIPT TONIGHT FOR ME. UM, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS PLUS THE CITIZENS OF HURO HAVE BEEN LETTING YOU KNOW IN VERY CLEAR TERMS WHAT THEY EXPECT YOU TO DO AS COUNSEL. THIS IS NOT NEW. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. NOW, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE PRIORITIES IS ROADS. ONE OF THE PRIORITIES IS WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONE OF THE PRIORITIES IS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE JUNE 6TH, 2024 MEETING, SPECIFICALLY ITEMS 10.2 AND ITEMS 10.3 ON THOSE ITEMS. MIKE SNYDER AND EVAN PORTERFIELD VOTED NOT TO FUND WASTEWATER AND ROAD PROJECTS. IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S RIGHT THERE. ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO WATCH IT. NOW, IF OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE NOT REPRESENTING US AND DOING WHAT WE TELL THEM TO DO, I WONDER WHY THEY'RE EVEN UP THERE. AUGUST 15TH OR THEREABOUTS, THERE WAS A MEETING NOT IN PUBLIC WHERE THREE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO SIT DOWN AGAIN, NOT IN PUBLIC, SIGN A DOCUMENT NOT IN PUBLIC, AND CHOOSE A COURSE OF ACTION THAT UNDERMINES THE GOVERNMENT OF THIS CITY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TAKEN ENGLISH CLASSES, BUT THE DEFINITION OF THAT BEHAVIOR IS A CABAL, NOT A DEMOCRACY, NOT A REPUBLIC. AND IT IS NOT REPRESENTATION. THANKS SIR. OKAY, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR, I HAVE ONE FOR ITEM 10, 2 12, 2 AND 12 TWO. IF I'M MISS ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO COME UP AND SPEAK IN PERSON, PLEASE LEMME KNOW. OTHERWISE, WE DID RECEIVE ONLINE COMMENTS FROM CHRISTIAN BUCKINGHAM, MARTHA MANGU, [00:20:02] KATHLEEN COOK, GRETA GOLDSBY, ANOTHER ONE FROM MARTHA MAGNUM. SO WE DID RECEIVE THOSE AND THE COUNCILS HAS THOSE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE [8.1. Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) Updates and Presentations. ] HAVE ITEM EIGHT ONE, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, CIP, UPDATES AND PRESENTATIONS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL FOR THE RECORD. MATT RECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, NORMALLY WE DO THIS ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH, BUT WE GOT SHIFTED AROUND EARLIER THIS SUMMER AND SO WE JUST KEPT IT ON THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH. BUT STARTING IN OCTOBER, WE'LL GET BACK ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULE. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA JU SO PER THE NORMAL, IF IT'S NOT A QUARTERLY, WE'LL JUST RUN THROUGH TRAFFIC. AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS. SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC PROJECTS, FM 1660 AT LIMMER. SO WE'RE GONNA START DOING PAVING, UH, ON TUESDAY NIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE OPENED UP TO TRAFFIC, UH, NEXT WEEK. AND THEN IN EARLY OCTOBER, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALL THE WORKERS SHIFTING. WHEN WE SHIFT TRAFFIC TO THE WEST SIDE, ALL THE WORK WILL BE SHIFTING TO THE EAST SIDE. SO, UH, EVERYTHING IS TRACKING. WE CONFIRMED WITH THE CONTRACTOR TODAY THAT WE ARE STILL ON SCHEDULE AS SHOWN, UH, ON THE, ON THE PRESENTATION COUNTY ROAD 1 32 OVERPASS. UH, SO 60% HAS BEEN, UH, SHARED WITH TXDOT. AND THEN WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR THIS AGENDA TONIGHT, EMORY FARMS INTERSECTION. SO THAT'S OUT FOR BIDDING. WE ACTUALLY GOT BIDS BACK. UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH EVALUATING ALL THEM AND TRYING TO MAKE OUR FINAL SELECTION SO WE CAN GET THAT UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT'S IT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION UPDATES. THANKS SIR. QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. MUST BE SAVING SOMETHING FOR YOU FOR LATER. THANKS MATT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM EIGHT, [8.2. Cottonwood Properties planning and development update from Midway.] TWO COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT UPDATE FROM MIDWAY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. UM, MY NAME IS DAVID HIGHTOWER. I'M A, UM, EVP WITH MIDWAY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND WE ARE HONORED TO BE HERE AND WE ARE HONORED TO BE TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AND WORK ON WHAT IT WE REFER TO AS THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY. AND HOPEFULLY I WON'T SCREW UP THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY GOOD AT THIS TECHNICAL STUFF. UH, QUICK AGENDA, GENERAL UPDATE, EVALUATE, PHASE AND EXPLANATION OF WHAT THAT IS, OUR DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. AND THEN WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WE WERE ASKED TO COME MAKE THIS PRESENTATION. VERY MUCH LIKE THE SAME PRESENTATION WE MADE TO THE EDC BOARD, UH, LAST MONTH BECAUSE OF CONCERNS REGARDING THE, UH, 1 32 79 OVERPASS PROJECT AND ITS IMPACT ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY 'CAUSE I THINK THERE MAY BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. GENERAL UPDATE. WE HELD A KICKOFF MEETING VERY EARLY THIS YEAR, UH, WITH, WITH STAFF AND OTHER, UH, KEY CA, UH, STAKEHOLDERS IN . UH, WE ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE EDC IN APRIL AND IMMEDIATELY KICKED OFF OUR C CIVIL FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS. WE ENGAGED P DAWSON LOCAL ENGINEERING FIRM TO WORK WITH US ON THIS PROJECT, VERY CAPABLE FIRM. WE ALSO BEGAN WORKING ON OUR MARKET ANALYSIS WITH RESPECT TO OFFICE, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT SITES THAT MIGHT BE, UH, WITHIN THIS PROJECT. WE ENGAGED, UH, STARTED WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IN MAY. AND IN FACT, UH, MS. ANNA DEAN'S MY, UH, PARTNER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY AND HER TWO DAUGHTERS CAME UP FOR THE SUNSET BLOCK PARTY. BASH HAD A WONDERFUL TIME. HER DAUGHTERS WANT TO HAVE A HU A, UH, HIPPO FOR A PET. AND, UH, THEY CAN'T WAIT TO COME BACK, UH, BECAUSE THEY REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED THEMSELVES UP HERE. IT'S SUCH A NICE COMMUNITY, AND THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY RECEPTIVE. UH, ANNA GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IMPACT. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO BE OUTTA STATE, BUT ANNA GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, I, UH, INFLUENCE OR IMPACT OR, UH, COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND REALLY FELT THE ENERGY AND THE VIBE. AND SO WE'RE, I JUST KINDA HELPED TO FUEL OUR EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT. WE BEGAN WORKING ON THE PROGRAM NARRATIVE, WHICH WAS COMPLETED EARLIER, UH, THIS IN THE SUMMER, UH, WORKING WITH THE EDC BASED ON INPUT, NOT ONLY DURING THAT PROCESS, BUT ALSO THROUGH QUESTIONNAIRES THAT WERE SENT OUT TO KEY MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND BEGAN WORKING ON A MASTER PLAN THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE HAD HEARD. OUR DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES. [00:25:01] ONE, AND I THINK OUR INCLUDES THE CITY AS WE UNDERSTAND IT. THIS HAS BECOME A SOURCE OF PRIDE IN PLACE FOR AN AUTHENTIC COMMUNITY CONNECTIVENESS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIDWAY PRIDES ITSELF IN DOING IS DEVELOPING MIXED USE, MULTIPLE USE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES THAT ALLOW CONNECTIVITY AND PLACEMAKING FOR THE, NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO BECOME A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE ATTRACTED FROM OUTSIDE OF HOT HOTEL TO COME IN, SHOP, VISIT, RECREATE AND WHATEVER, AND LOOK POSSIBLY EVEN FIND A PLACE TO LIVE, ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO SPEND THEIR TIME. THAT'S ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES. AGAIN, DESTINATION FOR VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OF HATTO. UH, BECOME A CATALYST FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT. AND WE THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE DO BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DO HAS A VERY STRONG POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND US. AND, UH, THIS IS A GREAT, THIS PROPERTY IS GREATLY LOCATED FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. AND OF COURSE, WORKING WITH THE CITY TO INSTILL TRUST IN THE CITY GOVERNANCE THROUGH A SUCCESSFUL AND TIMELY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE EVALUATE PHASE. WE'RE WRAPPING UP WHAT WE CALL THE EVALUATE PHASE, WHERE WE GO THROUGH SITE ANALYSIS, CIVIL DUE DILIGENCE, MARKET ANALYSIS, CONCEPT PLANNING, UH, AND THERE. AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON VARIOUS CONCEPT IDEAS, A DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY ONCE WE'VE KIND OF STARTED NARROWING DOWN WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF CONCEPT. AND OF COURSE THE PROJECT TIMELINE. OUR CIVIL DUE DILIGENCE IS THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVALUATING THE PROPERTY, ITS CONDITION, WHAT'S AROUND IT, WHAT SERVES IT, HOW IT WILL BE SERVED, IS PRETTY MUCH DONE. UH, ACCESS TO UTILITIES, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT TIMING OF INSTALLATION OF UTILITIES, UH, MAJOR SANITARY SEWER PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED OR ARE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS A 250 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GONNA TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS TO DEVELOP. AND OF COURSE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE AND UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT THE UTILITY CAPACITIES AND SUPPLY WILL BE THERE AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP. AND OF COURSE, THE MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN TEXAS WITHOUT DOING A MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY. UH, AND THAT WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY WORK ON THAT. ONCE WE HAVE A LAND PLAN THAT IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY, THEN UH, WE CAN GO FULL BORE ON A, UH, FULL BORE DRAINAGE STUDY THAT LOOKS AT THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND HOW WE WOULD DRAIN IT. , WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF COURSE, OF DRAINING INTO COTTONWOOD CREEK, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANY OFFSITE, BUT HOW, HOW WE DRAIN, HOW WE IMPACT COTTONWOOD CREEK, OF COURSE, IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND WE'RE GONNA BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN OUR, UH, CONCEPT OF, AND PROOF IS EVERYBODY'S EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT. UH, TRAILS AND PARKS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT IN PROJECTS THAT WE DO. I I HAVE A PROJECT IN HOUSTON I'M DOING WITH, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE WORKING, UH, ON ABOUT A MILE, ACTUALLY ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF OF TRAILS THAT WILL BE CONNECTED TO OTHER TRAILS THAT OTHERS ARE DEVELOPING AROUND US. UH, SO CONNECTIVITY THROUGH TRAILS AND PARKS SPEAKS TO QUALITY OF LIFE. IT SPEAKS TO WELLNESS OF THE CITIZENS. IT SPEAKS TO BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE PARKS ON A BICYCLE, IN A STROLLER, ON A TRICYCLE WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS A LOT OF STREETS. SO WE, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MINIMIZE THE CONFLICT BETWEEN TRAILS AND STREETS, AND OF COURSE, ADDITIONAL SPORTS FIELDS AND THINGS FOR OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES IS WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR IN OUR EVALUATE PHASE. WE JUST LOOKED AT THE POPULATION GROWTH, RECOGNIZING THAT HUTTO IS HASN'T, UH, WHAT SOME MIGHT CONSIDER AN EXPLOSIVE POPULATION GROWTH. NOT, NOT, UH, NOT TO BE TOO TERRIBLY SURPRISED. IT'S GREATLY INFLUENCED BY THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING TO THE EAST OF YOU. BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO PART OF THE BYPRODUCT OF THE WHOLE AUSTIN AREA DEVELOPMENT OFFICE DEMAND, UH, IS PRETTY MUCH TIED RIGHT NOW TO SAMSUNG. UM, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE OFFICE DEMAND, AND WE WILL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THIS PROJECT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED IN DEALING WITH INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES IS THEY MAY HAVE AN OFFER NECESSARILY WANT ON THE INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS. UH, THE WORKERS IN AN OFFICE COMPLEX MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFF HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, IF YOU WILL, THAN THE INDUSTRIAL PE PEOPLE, UH, IN THEIR, ON THEIR TEAMS. UM, AND THEY WANNA BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT MORE LIKE WHAT WE'RE CON CONTEMPLATING, WHERE THERE, IT'S A WALKABLE SITUATION WHERE YOU WALK ACROSS THE STREET, WALK DOWN THE STREET TO GO TO LUNCH, NOT HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE 15 MINUTES TO GET TO LUNCH IF YOU DON'T [00:30:01] WANT TO EAT THE CAFETERIA. UH, MULTIFAMILY, YOUR SUPPLY IS HIGH. ACTUALLY, RENTS WE FOUND DID DROP, BUT THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL. WE'RE SEEING THAT IN A LOT OF MARKETS RIGHT NOW. IT'S A CYCLICAL BUSINESS, DOESN'T BOTHER US, BUT IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR AND MAKE SURE TIMING OF WHAT WE DO, UH, TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE MARKET CYCLES. THE RESIDENTS ARE SEEKING MORE RETAIL. WE SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF RETAIL GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE GROWTH YOU HAVE, THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SATISFY THE DEMAND OF YOUR CITIZENS. UH, AND AGAIN, BACK TO THE CREATING A PLACE THAT PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF HUTTO WANT TO COME TO, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL. AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF A SIGNIFICANT, UH, DEMAND FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. WE THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE DO. DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSTRAINTS. UM, WE WANNA DEVELOP THIS AS A MIXED USE DESTINATION. AND AT THE HEART OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THIS 250 ACRES, THE WESTERN MORE, UH, PART OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE WHAT WE CONSIDER THE REAL HEART, WHERE THE REAL TRUE URBAN, WHAT WE CALL SERVING. AND BY SERVING, IT'S A KIND OF AN URBAN FIELD, BUT IT'S IN A SUBURBAN CONTEXT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A DOWNTOWN CONTEXT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LOWER SCALE, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN COLLEGE STATION WITH OUR CENTURY SQUARE PROJECT. WE SEE THAT AS BEING MORE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY PAD SITE, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE 79 AND 1 32 FRONTAGES, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT OUT HERE IN THE CO-OP AND OTHER PLACES. AND IT THAT GETS TO THE ISSUE OF THE ACCESS, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON IN A MINUTE. BUT WE THINK THAT HAVING SOME LARGE LAND SALES EARLY ON, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE NORTHERN TRACK, WHICH IS ABOUT 86 ACRES FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO CREATING THE POPULATION BASE THAT WOULD HELP FUEL THE RETAIL DEMAND FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND SO IT'LL DRIVE TRAFFIC, IT'LL GENERATE EARLIER CASH FLOW, WHICH WE CAN BE REINVESTED INTO THE PROPERTY. THE CONSTRAINTS, UM, ACCESS TO UTILITIES, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT ABOUT WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE AND HOW TO ACCESS 'EM. IT'S A QUESTION OF TIMING OF SOME OF THE INSTALLATION. I KNOW THERE'S A MAJOR TRUNK SANITARY SEWER PROJECT BEING CONTEMPLATED, INCLUDING CROSSING, UH, 79. THAT ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA SERVE THIS PROPERTY. AND THEN THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER PROJECT THAT, THAT GREEN LINE THAT YOU SEE IS A PROPOSED SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THAT WILL SERVE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF US. AND OF COURSE, THOSE PROPERTIES, FOR THE MOST PART TO THE NORTH OF US WERE BEING DEVELOPED. MOST OF THEM ARE SINGLE FAMILY. AND AGAIN, POPULATION GROWTH HELPS FUEL RETAIL. THE SCHEDULE OF THE FINAL DESIGN AND APPROVAL OF THE HIGHLY OVERPASS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THIS PROPERTY, WHAT IT IS AND HOW IT IS AND WHEN IT'S BEING DONE. UH, WE CAN, WE WILL GET INTO THAT. BUT THE EL WHAT WE IS, THE MORE WE INVESTIGATED WHAT WAS BEING DIS, UH, DESIGNED AND WHAT HAS, UH, IS, UH, YOUR CITY ENGINEER SAID, UH, 60% DESIGN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO TXDOT FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED. THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN, THOSE ARE PROPOSED PUBLIC STREETS. AND BASED ON THE, OUR ANALYSIS OF THE OVERPASS PRELIMINARY, OR THE DESIGN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT WILL BUR BASICALLY ELIMINATE ACCESS TO 79 AND 1 32 FROM ON 1 32 FROM MAJOR DOWN TO 79. AND ON 79, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE WAY TO OUR FIRST ENTRANCE STREET THERE, CARROLL, WHICH IS THE EXTENSION OF CARROLL DRIVE OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH, THE ELEVATED HIGHWAY INTERSECTION WILL HINDER RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WILL ESPECIALLY HINDER BIG BOX DEVELOPMENT. IN FACT, WE TOOK, WE DID A SITE PLAN AND, AND TOOK IT TO SOME MAJOR, UH, BIG BOX, UM, RETAILERS THAT WE KNOW THAT THE CITY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY. UM, AND THEY PRETTY MUCH SAID, IF THAT OVERPASS IS DONE THE WAY YOU SAID IT IS, THEN WE'RE NOT INTERESTED. AND WE, WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST END. UH, WE'LL GO LOOK AT ALL OTHER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND ELIMINATE EVERY OTHER POSSIBILITY BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THIS ONE. THAT'S JUST THE MARKET. THIS LAND USE DIAGRAM KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OR, UH, SHOW THE LAND USES, AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY ON THE NORTHERN TRACK. UH, AND, AND THIS IS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN GET OUR ACCESS TO 79 AND MAJOR, UH, BIG BOX IN RETAIL ON THE CORNER THERE. THEN, UH, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT ALONG, UH, THE FRONTAGE ON 79. AND THE BLUE IS REALLY THE MORE MIXED USE, HIGHER HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, RETAILS, HOTEL, AND OTHER SIMILAR USES. AND OF COURSE, HOW DO WE, UH, INCORPORATE SOME SPORTS FIELDS INTO THE [00:35:01] FLOODPLAIN AREA, VERY MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COTTONWOOD CREEK AND FITZ PARK. SO BASICALLY IT'S A GROWTH OF FITZ PARK. THIS IS ONE OF OUR EARLIER CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS. IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE THIS ONE WAS DONE, BUT AGAIN, IT SHOWS THE BIG BOX RETAIL ON THE, ON THE, UH, CORNER, STARTING OFF WITH LOWER DENSITY PAD DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE. AND THEN WORKING TO MASTER PLAN WITH HIGHER DENSITY ON THE BLUE AREAS TO THE BACK. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE, THE GREEN DOTTED LINES THAT'S EXTENDING TRAILS THROUGH THE PROJECT SO THAT YOU'VE GOT TRAIL OPPORTUNITIES THAT NOT ONLY COME TO THE PROJECT, THEY GO THROUGH THE PROJECT AND EVENTUALLY UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH. IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU WILL, WHERE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS BEING DONE. AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE WILL BE GETTING INTO STRUCTURED PARKING, WE'LL HAVE TO START OFF WITH SURFACE PARKING. UH, STRUCTURED PARKING IS VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT IF WE CAN DEVELOP AND GET STARTED WITH A PROJECT THAT CREATES A PLACE AND CREATES THE ACTIVITY AND CREATES DEMAND, WE WILL EVENTUALLY GET TO THAT STRUCTURED PARKING IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY. THIS IS SOME, UH, PHASE ONE IMAGERY, IF YOU WILL. AND IF THE PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM IS AN IDEA OF HOW WE WOULD DISCONNECT HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS FROM STREETS, UH, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A NUMBER OF RE UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS WHO HEARD ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HEARD THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN IT. AND, UH, TOWNHOUSE OR, OR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY IS A PRODUCT THAT WE THINK WOULD REALLY WORK IN THIS CITY. IN THIS CASE, UH, IT'S MORE OF A, UH, AFFORDABLE ENTRY POINT FOR YOUNG FAMILIES TRYING TO BUY HOMES. THEY REALLY WANNA BE NEAR PARKS. SO THIS WOULD WORK FOR THAT. UH, AND, AND AGAIN, THE, UM, THE IDEA OF BRINGING IN SOME, UH, ONE OR TWO HOTELS I THINK OVER TIME WILL WORK FOR, UH, FOR THE PROJECT AND WILL WORK FOR HUTA. AGAIN, HIGHWAY OVERPASS AND THE UTILITY PROJECTS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR TIMELINE. MAJOR COMMITMENTS CAN'T BE FINALIZED UNTIL THE OVERPASS FI IS FINALIZED. ACCESS TO THE SITE WOULD BE SEVERELY LIMITED BASED ON WHAT WE SAW. SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT. AND THERE'S, UH, WE NEED REAL CLARITY ON THE DELIVERY OF THIS OFF WHAT WE WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE TAKEAWAYS. CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS OF POPULATIONS SUPPORT THE LOWER DENSITY SURFACE PART SURFACE PARK PROJECT. AGAIN, OVER TIME WE WILL SEE MOVING TO A HIGHER DENSITY PROJECT THAT HAS, UH, A GARAGE OR, OR STRUCTURED PARKING. AND EVERY TIME WE DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE TRY TO THINK THROUGH THAT LONGER TERM PHASE, WHERE EVENTUALLY WE MAY REPLACE A SURFACE PARKING LOT WITH A PARKING GARAGE. SO AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND CREATE DENSITY IN THAT SENSE OF PLACE, EARLIER PHASES AGAIN, UH, WOULD PROBABLY, UH, NEED TO OCCUR ALONG 70 NINES IS WE HAVE VISIBILITY AND ACCESS AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THE PROJECT AND START UTILIZING THE SERVICES THAT ARE THERE. AND OF COURSE, THE LEGACY MIXED USE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT WILL OCCUR AFTER THE, UH, INITIAL PHASES. EARLY LAND SALES ARE IMPORTANT IN THIS PROJECT TO HELP US, UH, GENERATE, UH, MORE ACTIVITY. WE'RE NOT GONNA DEVELOP EVERYTHING OURSELVES, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN THE QUALITY DEVELOPERS TO DO PIECES OF IT, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, OR MULTIFAMILY. UM, WE LIKE TO FOCUS MORE ON THE RETAIL OFFICE AND THE HOTEL KIND OF USES, BUT UH, IT'S, IT'S 250 ACRES. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE WE THINK THAT GIVEN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH MASTER PLANNING THESE KIND OF PROJECTS, WE CAN CREATE THE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. WE CAN CREATE THE THEME FOR THE PROJECT AND ESTABLISH THE GUIDELINES FOR THE PROJECT IN A WAY THAT IF WE SELL A SITE TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER, WHAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED IS GONNA BE EASILY, CLEARLY SEEN TO BE PART OF A BIGGER PROJECT AND, AND BE COMPLIMENTARY AND ACCRETIVE TO THE VALUES BEING CREATED. I'M HAPPY TO BE JOINED BY OUR CEO MR. BRAD FRAS. UH, AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANKS, UH, GREAT JOB, DAVID. UM, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. DAVID, YOU, UH, MENTIONED AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UM, YOU MENTIONED SIX PHASES. UM, ANY IDEA ON THE TIMELINE FOR THOSE PHASES? UM, AND DO YOU HAVE THE, THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY [00:40:01] TO ACHIEVE THOSE PHASES IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME? WE BELIEVE THEY ANSWERED. THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS WE BELIEVE WE DO. UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS EVERYBODY ELSE GOES THROUGH. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ZONING, MASTER PLANNING, ZONING AND, AND, AND KEEPING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE CITY. AND OF COURSE THAT'S WHERE THE CITY GETS TO , HAVE A SAY IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND WE HOPE TO, UH, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN A VERY TIMELY AND A VERY PROPER MANNER, UH, WITHOUT ANY DELAY. AND AS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE DISCUSSIONS IN THAT, AFTER WE GET KIND OF PAST THIS OVERPASS QUESTION WHERE WE, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY SAY, OKAY, NOW WE KNOW WHAT THE ENVELOPE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THIS IS, WE CAN REALLY HONE DOWN ON A PLAN THAT WE CAN SUBMIT AND GET INTO THAT MORE FORMAL PROCESS. OKAY. SO THE PHASES, PROBABLY THE TIMELINE ON THE PHASES WOULD PROBABLY COME AFTER UNDERSTANDING THE, THE 1 32 OVERPASS? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THE, SO ONE OF THE SPOTS WHERE YOU WERE SHOWING ON THE MAP, UM, THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OR HAVE YOU SYNCED UP WITH THE ISD OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE DOING IN FUTURE PHASES? UH, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAD A MIXED USE PLAN THAT WAS, THAT WAS GONNA BACK UP TO THE SCHOOL THERE AND THEN SOME SPORTS FIELDS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WOULD APPROACH THE ISD AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING ON MAKING THIS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE THINGS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT IN THE BACKYARD OF A SCHOOLHOUSE? THE, THE SCHOOL EXISTS, AS YOU KNOW. UM, AND WHAT'S NOT READILY APPARENT IS THERE IS ACTUALLY A DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG THE EASTERN AND SOUTH SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THAT SCHOOL SITE. UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL BE ENLARGED PARTLY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE, CLEAN IT UP, BUT IT WILL ALSO SERVE AS A BUFFER. OKAY. AND WE'LL PROBABLY END UP WITH A TRAIL UP ALONG ONE SIDE OF IT, WHICH SIDE IT IS, WILL DEPEND ON THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL. BUT I CAN SEE THAT ACTING AS A BUFFER AGAINST THE SCHOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME PROTECTION AND SEPARATION. AND OF COURSE, HOW WE SITE PLAN THAT SPECIFIC PROP USE ON THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY. ADJOINING WILL DEFINITELY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SCHOOL. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. SO, UH, I HAD A COUPLE, CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES WHERE YOU HAVE THE LAND USE OF THE EEG H THIS ONE? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO ONE THING I, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL, WE EVEN ADOPTED AND, AND, AND DIRECTED THE EDC, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WANTED SOME LAND TO BE USED FOR GOVERNMENTAL LAND. AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR PLAN ANYWHERE AT ALL. SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU CAN KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT. 'CAUSE ONE OF THING, I UNDERSTAND THAT EARLY LAND SALE GET MOMENTUM KIND OF MAKES SENSE FOR JAY TO PROBABLY BE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME TRANSITION HOUSING OR SOMETHING. BUT AGE, A LOT OF IT, I MEAN, SOMEPLACE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO GO SELL LAND THAT THEN WE HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BUY LAND TO GO PUT A POLICE STATION AND SOME OTHER GOVERNMENTAL BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THE CITY. UM, SO I KIND OF, I'M CURIOUS WHERE ANY OF THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED OR CONSIDERED, BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. WE, WE ARE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I THINK THERE'S A NEW LIBRARY THAT'S BEING CONTEMPLATED. THERE'S A NEW, AND FORGIVE ME, I FORGET WHAT THE NEXT TERM OF IT IS, BUT IT'S, UH, HAS TO DO WITH YOUR EMERGENCY SERVICES. SOME COMMU, YOU KNOW, COMMAND CENTER OR, OR OF SOME SORT. JUSTICE CENTER. JUSTICE CENTER. THANK YOU. UM, YES, WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE STUDIES BEING DONE ON THOSE TO DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT THOSE WOULD BE. I, AND AS I SAID TO THE EDC BOARD, I SAID WE'RE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE 'EM. WE SEE THAT AS BEING PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THEIR FOOTPRINT, WHAT'S THEIR SIZE, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT ACCOMMODATING PARKING. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO MASTER PLAN 'EM IN THERE. AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS NEXT DESIGN PHASE. WE'VE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF INTEREST IN PERHAPS A HOSPITAL IN THIS AREA, UM, THAT, THAT CAN RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, A, A SMALL EMERGENCY CENTER TO A LARGE HOSPITAL COMPLEX CENTER. I'VE DONE BOTH. SO, UH, IT'S, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THOSE WHO WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING THAT AND FINDING A PLACE FOR IT. AS BRAD LIKES TO SAY, WE DESIGN, WHEN WE GO INTO ONE OF THESE KIND OF PROJECTS, WE DESIGN IT AS PLUG AND PLAY. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT USE WHEN THE TIME FOR THAT USE COMES. WE MAY NOT NEED A HOSPITAL TODAY, BUT YOU MAY NEED IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. AND HOW WE DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, WE WANNA MAKE [00:45:01] SURE THAT WE CAN PUT IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. UM, IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THAT, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN OVERLAY OF THIS THAT INCORPORATES SOME OF THOSE USES. UH, UH, I ASKED DAVID TO TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE IT, IN A PRESENTATION LIKE THIS, IT WAS JUST CONFUSING 'CAUSE YOU END UP WITH ABOUT TWO DOZEN COLORS. UH, BUT WE'VE INCORPORATED THOSE IN AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, WE LIKE TO DO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CREATING THE FABRIC OF THIS PROJECT, UH, PERSONALLY I LIKE FIRE STATIONS WITHIN THE MEAT OF THE PROJECT. UH, YOU GOTTA DESIGN AROUND THEM A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN MY KIDS WERE GROWING UP, HUNTER'S CREEK, THEY LOVE TO GO TO THE POLICE STA THE FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT A MINUTE AGO ABOUT HOW THE EMERGENCY SERVICES WORK TOGETHER AND THEY GET THE RESPECT OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU GET THAT RESPECT BY BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF ISOLATED. I'D LOVE TO SEE A FIRE STATION HERE. I THINK ABOUT CARMEL, UH, DOWNTOWN, THERE'S A FIRE STATION AND THE KIDS ARE ALWAYS IN THERE TALKING TO THE FIREMEN. YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, BEL AIR HAS ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THEIR TOWN THAT'S REALLY ACTIVE. AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCORPORATED SOMEWHERE IN HERE. NOT JUST PUSHED ON THE EDGE BECAUSE I THINK IT AGAIN, CREATES THAT COMMUNITY WITH THE, THE EMERGENCY WORKERS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY LIBRARIES ARE CHANGING RAPIDLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT FROM 'EM. AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THE MEAT OF THE PROJECT. UH, THE JUSTICE CENTER, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE WE END UP USING A SHARED GARAGE BECAUSE GARAGES ARE EXPENSIVE. Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE, THERE MIGHT BE A SHARED USE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING A WHOLE LOT OF JUSTICE. I CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, MAYBE SOME COURT DATES. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN YOU HAVE MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THOSE GARAGES SO YOU GET MORE UTILITIES OUTTA THOSE GARAGES AND MAKE THOSE DOLLARS, UH, BETTER SPENT. SO, NO, IT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO. UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER USES. YOU ASK ABOUT THE, THE PHASING. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS LIKE YOU'RE PLAYING A PARTY, YOU'RE SETTING THE TABLE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S SHOWING UP. AND AS SOON AS WE START ANNOUNCING THIS AND START CREATING SOME MOMENTUM, WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF CALLS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND AS DAVID SAID, WE'D LIKE TO SET UP A PLAN THAT'S MORE OF A PLUG AND PLAY. DOES THIS WORK WELL NEXT TO THIS? AND DOES THIS WORK WELL NEXT TO THIS? AND IT REALLY GETS EXCITING WHEN THE PIECES START COMING TOGETHER. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR DIRECT QUESTION, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT ADJACENT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND ONCE WE KNOW THE SIZE, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY PLUG IN BEST, UM, AND THEN WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT. BEFORE WE GO ON, IF I MAY WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD ON. WHAT, FROM WHAT WE, BEFORE WE GO ON, BRAD, CAN YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, SURE. I'M BRAD FRILLS AND I'M CEO OF MIDWAY. OH, THANKS. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, FROM, FROM WHAT WE JUST HEARD, YOU MAY NOT NEED A VERY BIG JUSTICE CENTER. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A GREAT POLICE FORCE, , BUT, UM, IF, IF A MEDICAL COMPLEX OR, OR EVEN YOUR FIRE STATION, 'CAUSE EVERY, EVERYWHERE THERE'S A FIRE TRUCK, THERE'S A AMBULANCE. MM-HMM. , RIGHT. UH, ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT. AND UH, WHERE IT GOES WILL DEPEND ON HOW YOU ACCESS THIS PROPERTY FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. I DID A DEAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN WHICH WE PLACED, UH, TEXAS CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL FOR MAJOR, THEIR FIRST MAJOR CAMPUS OUTSIDE THE TEXAS MEDICAL CENTER. AND I'LL NEVER FORGET I WAS MEETING WITH THE CEO AND HE SAID, ACCESS AND VISIBILITY IS CRITICAL BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN MAMA IS RUSHING TO THE HOSPITAL, 'CAUSE JOHNNY'S IN THE BACKSEAT WITH THE MARBLE STUCK DOWN HIS THROAT, YOU KNOW, SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW TO GET IN AND HOW TO GET TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. AND SO, 'CAUSE SHE'S IN PANIC, RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THE USE, BUT HOW, HOW WE DO IT AND HOW IT RELATES AND HOW YOU ACCESS THIS PROPERTY IS VERY IMPORTANT FROM THAT ASPECT. I GUESS, UH, SPEAKING TO, I SEE A QUESTION COMING UP. YEAH. TO ACCESS POINTS RIGHT HERE WHERE THE ARROWS ARE, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT'S FUTURE, UM, ACCESS POINTS, THE MAIN ONES WE SEE THOSE, WE SEE THOSE AS THE PUBLIC STREET ACCESS. OKAY. AND THEN, OKAY, SO BEING ON 79 HERE, UM, IF YOU'RE HEADING EAST, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A TURN A, A TURN LANE OR A SIGNAL TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. YOU MAY NOT NEED A SIGNAL. YOU, YOU HAVE ACCESS RIGHT INTO THE CO-OP HERE WITH A LEFT PROTECTED LEFT TURN. MM-HMM. PROTECTED IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S A, YEAH. LEFT TURN LANE, NOT NECESSARILY A SIGNAL. YEAH. SO HOW THAT WORKS, AND OF COURSE THAT'S BEING ON 79, THAT'S GONNA BE A FUNCTION OF TEXTTO AND SIGNAL SPACING AND ACCESS SPACING AND HOW WE, WHAT WE DO WITH RESPECT TO ANY OTHER DRIVEWAYS ALONG THERE, OF COURSE IS GONNA BE TO SUBJECT TO CITY AND TEXTILE APPROVAL. MM-HMM. . AND THIS, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE ON THE OTHER ONE, THE SECOND ONE TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE A NEW ROAD. 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS CARROLL DRIVE RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT. AND THEN THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE A NEW ROAD. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THEN I GUESS FOCUSING BACK ON THE 1 32 A BRIDGE THAT IS CURRENTLY AT 60%, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. UM, HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW IT GOES OVER 79 AND WHERE IT ENDS UP, DOWN ON THE GROUND. DOES IT BLOCK THAT [00:50:01] ENTRANCE? YES. ENTRANCE? IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? I GUESS CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH I GUESS THE COMPLICATIONS SURROUNDING THAT? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, THAT ENTRANCE FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THAT OVERPASS DESIGN AS IT IS TODAY, AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT CRITICIZING THE OVERPASS DESIGN, DON'T GET ME WRONG. AND I REALIZE WE'RE KIND OF COMING IN HERE THROWING A MONKEY WRENCH IN THE PLAN KIND OF AT THE LATE IN THE GAME. BUT WE WERE ASKED, WHAT DOES IT DO TO THIS PROPERTY? AND WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU, YOU ASK US OUR OPINION ON SOMETHING , YOU'RE GONNA GET OUR OPINION. MM-HMM. AS I UNDERSTAND THAT OVERPASS YOU WOULD, AND YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF 'EM AROUND THE AUSTIN AREA. IT'S IN ALL OVER THE STATE WHERE IF BASICALLY IT'S AN ELEVATED SEPARATED INTERCHANGE, RIGHT RAMPS, YOU, YOU GO, IF YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND ON 79 AND YOU WANNA GO NORTH ON 1 32, YOU GO UP AND OFF RAMP BASICALLY TO AN INTERSECTION WITH A LIGHT TURN LEFT, GO TO THE LIGHT THAT'S INTERSECTS THE OTHER RAMP. AND THEN YOU GO DOWN TOWARDS THE NORTH ON 1 32. SO YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH, UH, BIG RETAINING WALLS WHERE THOSE RAMPS ARE UNTIL YOU GET REAL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. THEN THEY SWITCH TO COLUMNS FOR SITE DISTANCE AND SAFETY. AS I UNDERSTAND, THE DOWN RAMP ON THE WESTBOUND 79 WILL GO PAST WHAT IT, YOU SEE A LITTLE DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT, UH, THE LONG TIME AGO. IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME OBVIOUSLY. MM-HMM THAT RAMP WILL GO PAST THAT BEFORE YOU'RE DOWN AND YOU CAN MERGE AND UNDER THE TECH STOCK DESIGN REGULATIONS, YOU'VE GOTTA BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THAT MERGE POINT BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE ANY KIND OF ACCESS. AND BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD, UH, WITH, WITH THE ENGINEERS WHO WERE WORKING ON IT, THAT'S HOW WE LOCATED THE E THE STREET, UH, CARROLL AS YOU SEE IT HERE. MM-HMM. , WE WOULD PREFER THAT IT BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST, GIVE US BETTER DEPTH FOR THAT B SITE, UH, AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT BETTER VISIBILITY FOR THE PROPERTIES BEHIND IT. BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE UNDER THE CURRENT 60% DESIGN. AS I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU'LL HAVE A RAMP ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT YOU GOT A RAILROAD THERE, NOBODY'S GONNA CARE ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU WON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE RE THAT RETAIL ALONG THERE, MUCH LESS BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT FROM 1 32 TO THAT STREET BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE RAMPS. I'VE GOT A PICTURE, I, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN HERE. I TOOK A PICTURE OF ONE OF THESE KIND OF RAMPS. IT'S ON I 10 IN HOUSTON LOOKING ACROSS THE FREEWAY. TOOK A PICTURE OF THIS DOWN RAMP AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN SEE IS THE TOP OF A 24 STORY OFFICE BUILDING BEHIND IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE GROUND LEVEL ACROSS, YOU KNOW, IF I MAY THE, UM, I WANNA APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR GETTING CONTROL OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A BIG ENOUGH AREA THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DISTRICT AND YOU CAN CREATE SOMETHING, AN IMAGE FOR HUDA. IF Y'ALL WOULDN'T HAD CONTROL OF THIS, THIS THING WOULD'VE BEEN PICKED OFF. AND IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE THE REST OF 79. AND SO I APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR GETTING CONTROL OF IT. WHAT, WHAT DAVE'S REFERRING TO HERE IN OUR PROJECT IN COLLEGE STATION, HE MENTIONED, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH COLLEGE STATION, BUT WE'RE, WE DID A PROJECT AT CENTURY SQUARE AND WE'RE ONE BLOCK OFF OF TEXAS AND UNIVERSITY. OKAY. AND TEXAS AND UNIVERSITY IS, IF IT'S NOT, THE TEXAS IS OLD HIGHWAY SIX RIGHT THROUGH THE CITY AND, AND THEN UNIVERSITY DRIVE. AND IT IS, I'VE HEARD IT'S THE NUMBER ONE HIGHEST TRAFFIC COUNT INTERSECTION IN THE STATE. IF IT'S NOT THE NUMBER ONE, IT'S PROBABLY IN THE TOP 10. AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT LAND INCORPORATED INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT. WE OPTED NOT TO. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME AT THAT INTERSECTION, I'M TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CARS A DAY, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO A GRADE SEPARATION THERE. AND THAT CORNER PROPERTY WAS EITHER GONNA END UP FEELING LIKE IT'S 20 FEET IN THE AIR OR FEEL LIKE IT'S 20 FEET IN THE GROUND 'CAUSE THE OVERPASS GONNA BE GOING THIS WAY. OR IF IT GOES UNDER IT'S GONNA GO THIS WAY AND YOU LOSE UP THAT FIRST QUARTER MILE COMING BACK OUT OF THAT AREA. AND SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PURPOSE IN BUYING THIS BECAUSE IF WE DEVELOP IT, THE VALUES ARE GONNA GET DISRUPTED LONG TERM. AND THE RETAILERS, IF WE PUT 'EM THERE, THEIR SALES ARE GONNA GO AND THE SALES TAX IS GONNA GO AWAY. AND I FEEL THE SAME THING ABOUT THIS INTERSECTION. YOU'RE LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM HAVING THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT THEY DO AT COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY. BUT IT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT SOME POINT IN TIME. BUT LET IT ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BECAUSE THE OTHER BENEFIT THAT Y'ALL HAVE FROM THIS BY TAKING CONTROL OF THIS IS THE SALES TAX THAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE ON THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE HUGE. THE PROPERTY TAX THAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE ON THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA BE HUGE AND THOSE ARE PERPETUAL FOR Y'ALL. THE HOTEL TAX IS GONNA BE HUGE OVER TIME AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT DISRUPTS THOSE REOCCURRING REVENUE STREAMS FOR THE CITY. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY Y'ALL BOUGHT THIS, I WOULD ASSUME IN THE FIRST PLACE TO GET TO CREATE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND IN OUR OPINION, YOU'RE GONNA [00:55:01] MISS A LOT OF THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY DESTROYS THE VALUE OF THAT INTERSECTION. AND, AND THAT'S JUST ON THIS SIDE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE EAST, YOU'RE HURTING THAT CORNER OF THE EAST TOO. AND THAT'S GONNA BE A TAX PRODUCER FOR YOU AS WELL. IF WE DO THIS RIGHT, IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT IS THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, A POINT TO NOTE COLLEGE STATION, I TOLD JANE THIS THE OTHER DAY. THE CITY TOLD ME THAT, UH, CENTURY SQUARE, OUR PROJECT THAT'S LITERALLY 27 ACRES IS THE LARGEST TAX PRODUCER IN COLLEGE STATION. AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN YEARS. SALES TAX, SALES TAX, HOT TAX TOO. THE, UH, BUT WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND IT, SO IT'S MEANINGFUL. SO, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PRODUCE HERE. WE WANNA CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT PEOPLE WANNA INVEST IN, THAT THEY'LL SPEND THEIR MONEY THAT Y'ALL GET YOUR PIECE OF, THAT Y'ALL CAN GO DO OTHER THINGS THAT IMPROVE THE CITY. AND, AND IN OUR TRUE BELIEF TO PROFESSIONAL BELIEF, HAVING DONE THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, I WOULD LET THAT BE A GREAT INTERSECTION, BUT AVOID THE OVERPASS AT THIS TIME AND PUT IT IN 30 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED OR 25 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED IN MY OPINION. SO WE HAVE AN ITEM LATER ON THE AGENDA NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING. WOULDN'T IT BE MORE PRUDENT OR BENEFICIAL FOR US TO MOVE THAT UP NOW SO WE CAN HAVE THIS AS A COHESIVE DISCUSSION? I, I DO HAVE IT AND I I DO HAVE IT TO BE PULLED UP. OH, GOOD. BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DODI, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BRIDGE AND FACTS WITHOUT NECESSARILY CALLING THE ITEM, RIGHT? YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL UNDER 14 ONE THAT, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO, AND THERE WERE PROPOSALS AND, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS THAT WE WERE BEING ASKED TO KIND OF AT LEAST GIVE DIRECTION ON OR GIVE AN INDICATION. SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR DECISION ON Y'ALL'S PART THAT WILL AFFECT THIS PROPERTY, FIRSTLY, IN MY OPINION. UM, AND UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE PROPOSITION TO PUT IT IN . AND, AND, AND MY GUESS IS THERE'S IN THE HIERARCHY AND NEEDS IN THE CITY, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER PLACES Y'ALL CAN USE THIS MONEY TODAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE THAT INTERSECTION GETS UP TO THE DEMAND THAT YOU NEED FOR THAT KIND OF INTERSECTION. I MEAN, JUST DRIVE DOWN THE OTHER INTERCHANGE ON 79, THEY WORK PERFECTLY FINE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THESE OVERSIZED INTERSECTIONS. UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT, I I'M NOT IN HUDDLE DAILY, SO I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE I COME INTO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND GOING ON ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD NOW BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING THERE IN AND OUT THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S GONNA BE RELATIVELY SHORT-LIVED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT KIND OF DEMAND ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE LONG TERM. 'CAUSE WHEN THAT PLAN OPENS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EMPLOY AS MANY PEOPLE AS ARE EMPLOYED OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE A RELIEF FROM THAT AT SOME POINT. SO I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, IN MY OPINION, HOW IT IS FOR THE NEXT, ONCE THAT PLANT GETS FINISHED. BUT I COULD BE WRONG. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION SITES JUST HAVE MORE DEMAND ON 'EM THAN THE ACTUAL, UM, USE OF THE SITE SOMETIMES. SO COULD WE, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH YOUR DESIGN? I MEAN, IN ITEM 14.1 IT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPED AN, AN ALTERNATE DESIGN. CAN, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THAT? DO YOU HAVE PICTURES OF IT? DO YOU HAVE COST ESTIMATES? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? ALL, ALL I HAVE IS A SCHEMATIC DESIGN THAT I, THAT I SKETCHED UP AND SENT TO PAP DAWSON. I SAID, WOULD YOU MAKE THIS LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL? BECAUSE, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY A SCHEMATIC, BUT IT'S SIMPLY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY PRESENTATION. UM, DO WE HAVE IT? WE COULD PULL IT UP. DOES SOMEBODY HAVE IT? SO, UM, CAN WE, I GO AHEAD. THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS TOPIC, ABOUT THE BRIDGE TOPIC AT THE ED AT THE LAST CDC MEETING. MM-HMM. . THERE'S OTHER STUFF BEYOND WHAT THEY PROPOSED. SO I THINK JUST TO GET THE WHOLE VIEW OF ALL THAT, WE CAN JUST SAVE THAT FOR THAT ITEM. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA CALL IT RIGHT AFTER THIS ANYWAY. RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK WE'LL BE SERVED BY JUST WAITING. I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING IT ALL TOGETHER. I THOUGHT THE MAYOR SAID WE WERE, WELL, WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT THE BRIDGE THAT THEY HAVE, BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE RELATING TO THAT INTERSECTION THAT CITY STAFF HAS. SO YOU GUYS CAN VOTE, VOTE DIFFERENTLY. BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE THEIR JOB'S TO DO IS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR VISION, THE HURDLES, THE OPPORTUNITIES, THE ROADBLOCKS THEY'RE SEEING, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AND, AND APPRECIATE THEIR TIME. AND THEN WHEN WE GO TALK ABOUT THE BRIDGE, WE'RE GONNA REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID AND THEN WE'RE EITHER GONNA GIVE IT CREDIT, DISCOUNT IT SOME, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE BRIDGE. BUT I THINK IF WE START MIXING IN BRIDGE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS? UM, ONE OF THE EMAILS, AND WE'VE MET, AND YOU GUYS KNOW, I, I TRY NOT TO BE SO BLUNT AND FORWARD, BUT IT JUST COMES OUT THAT WAY. ONE OF THE COMMENTS I SAID WAS, IS, I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' INPUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE LAND. AND SO I HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN, WHEN I MAKE DECISIONS PERSONALLY ON THINGS IS BECAUSE, WELL, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF, [01:00:01] UH, EXPERIENCE. UM, WE'RE NOT QUITE MARRIED YET, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL COURTING EACH OTHER ON THIS. AND WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF IT'S UNDER CONTRACT AND NOW WE'VE GOT TIMELINES AND WE'VE GOT PLANS TO CLOSE LAND, I THINK THAT HELPS A LOT. BUT THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANTED TO KEEP YOUR GUYS' PRESENTATION PERSONALLY IS SEPARATE FROM A BRIDGE BECAUSE WE START MELDING INTO TWO. NO, NO. AND DON'T GET US WRONG, THE, UH, BUT LEMME CORRECT ONE THING. WE ARE INVESTING WITH YOU DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS IN VALUATION. SO WE HAVE HARD DOLLARS IN THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT. SO WE ARE INVESTED NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE OWN THE LAND, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO GET THERE. AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA MAKE CLEAR IS THAT WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE ABOUT THE OVERPASS, WE CAN WORK WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A FAR DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT WE DEVELOPED THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE HOPEFUL TO DO JUST DISAPPEAR. AND SO, UH, BUT WE WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHATEVER, IF THAT OVERPASS WAS THERE TODAY AND YOU ASK US TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, WE'D HAVE AN INTEREST IN DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD JUST BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SURE. AND WE, WE JUST HATE TO FORECLOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AVOID THAT CONFLICT. UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DEVELOP WITH WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS EXIST. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE CONDITIONS THE BEST THEY CAN BE FOR THE PROJECT LONG TERM. I GUESS ANOTHER ANOTHER THING, UM, FOR ME, LIKE I, I TRUST YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO WITH THIS, THIS PROPERTY AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST HIGH LEVEL WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE. UM, IT'S, IT'S GREAT, RIGHT? BUT I GUESS ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES YOU DID HAVE LIKE A BULLET POINT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE PUBLIC TO TRUST IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? AND UNFORTUNATELY IN HUDA, WE, WE DO HAVE BIG CHALLENGES WITH, UM, TRUST OF OUR CITY AND TRUST OF OUR CITY COUNCIL. UM, SO THAT'S A BIG HURDLE GOING INTO THIS PROJECT. UH, IT'S LIKE IT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER. I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE LIKE THE PROFESSIONAL, YOU'RE LIKE, LET US JUST GO IN AND DO OUR JOB. BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE A, A, A DYNAMIC IN HURO THAT KIND OF CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, ADD SOME, LIKE TAINT IT A LITTLE BIT IN MAYBE A NEGATIVE LIGHT. AND SO I, I THINK THAT Y'ALL COULD EARN THE TRUST OF, OF THE RESIDENTS OF HUDU THAT WE, THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO GET SOME, UH, GOOD, YOU KNOW, RETAILERS OFFICE, YOU KNOW, SPACE HOLDERS, UM, SOME GREAT PRODUCTS, UH, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL. I, I DO LIKE MYSELF, I DO TRUST IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION. UM, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S AN EXTRA HURDLE WE HAVE TO GO OVER WHENEVER WE KIND OF ADD THE BRIDGE INTO THAT AS WELL. IT'S LIKE, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT AND NOW WE'RE AT 60% TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GO BACK, UM, TO GO BACK AND KIND OF RESTART TO ACCOMMODATE Y'ALL. THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL WORLD. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME TRUST FROM THE RESIDENTS ON, ON, ON WHAT'S COMING TO THE PROPERTY. AND THIS ULTIMATELY DELAYS IT. AND, AND I'M HAPPY THAT YOU SAID THAT IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, STAY THE COURSE THAT YOU CAN WORK AROUND IT, THE PROPERTY WON'T BE AS, YOU KNOW, GREAT AS WHAT YOU ENVISIONED IT OR HAVE AN IDEA FOR. IT WILL, IT'LL BE WATERED DOWN A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH, WITH IT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT WHAT Y'ALL HAVE THE VISION AND KIND OF PLOTTING IT OUT HIGH LEVEL, I THINK IT'S GREAT. BUT, UM, JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW THINGS TUGGING, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH AND PLAYING HERE THAT KIND OF MAKE YOUR JOB D DIFFICULT. AND THAT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MARKETS THAT WE'VE OPERATED, WE'VE BUILT THE GOODWILL OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WHEN WE SUGGEST THINGS, THEY KIND OF JUST SAY, OKAY, WE, WE'VE SEEN 'EM DO THIS 15 TIMES, SO WE TRUST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. BUT IT'S AN OBSTACLE WE GO THROUGH EVERY TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED THAT TRUST WITH, BUT WHAT, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR VISION THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING HERE. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH CHANEY AND HER TEAM COURSE. OF COURSE. WHAT IS Y'ALL'S VISION FOR THE PROPERTY? AND Y'ALL TOLD US WHAT YOUR VISION WAS, AND THEN WE ADAPTED A PLAN TO CREATE THAT DIVISION THAT WE AGREE WITH. UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HIT YOUR VISION IF THAT OVERPASSES THERE. THE VISION THAT WAS LAID OUT TO US BEFORE WE EVER STARTED PLANNING. AND, AND THE, AND I KNOW THIS IS A FACT BECAUSE THERE'S A RETAILER WE WENT AND TALKED TO AND, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW RETAILERS WORK, THE PEOPLE YOU WANT, REVENUE IS REVENUE. IF THEY GET THAT REVENUE AND HU OR IF THEY GET IN ALASKA, THEY DON'T CARE. IT'S ALL REVENUE GOES TO THEIR BOTTOM LINE. SO THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE SPOT THAT GIVES THEM THE REVENUE THAT MAKES SENSE AND THEY LIKE TO GET MARKET SHARING AREAS, BUT THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REVENUE GENERATION. AND THERE'S A GROUP THAT WE TALKED TO THAT I THINK WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND THEY LITERALLY SAID, NO, [01:05:01] IF THAT INTERSECTION BECOMES ELEVATED, WE DON'T WANT TO GO WEST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER INTERSECTION IN FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION. SO WE'RE GONNA GO EXPLORE EVERY OTHER FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION IN THAT MARKET BEFORE WE COME BACK HERE, IF WE COME BACK HERE. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID WHERE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT Y'ALL WANT, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO ATTRACT THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS THAT THEY NEED TO CREATE THE REVENUE THAT THEY NEED TO ON THEIR INVESTMENT. AND THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE OF IT. YEAH. WE, WE, WE FULLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID AND, AND THE, THE TRUST ISSUE. WE BECAME AWARE OF THAT DAY ONE IN, IN FIRST CONVERSATIONS. WE UNDERSTAND, UH, AND WE RESPECT THAT. AND THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE A SITUATION THAT EXACERBATES A PROBLEM LIKE THAT. AND AS BRAD SAYS, IF THE, IF THE OVERPASS IS, IF YOU DECIDE TO BUILD THAT OVERPASS, THAT'S FINE. WE'LL WORK WITH IT, WE'LL WORK WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. BUT AS I MENTIONED TO THE EDC LAST TIME WE WERE VISITING, WE'RE KIND OF AT A POINT AN IMPASSE, WELL NOT AN IMPASSE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF ON HOLD UNTIL WE SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH, RIGHT. BECAUSE IF THE OVERPASS IS THERE, WE GO ONE DIRECTION. IF IT'S NOT WE GO THIS DIRECTION, WE CAN GO EITHER DIRECTION. IT'S JUST, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE THAT. AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN YOUR SHOES, I HA I KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA BE VERY TOUGH. UH, BUT Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE THROUGH THE BEST DECISION FOR THE CITY OF HATO. WE RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT WE WERE ASKED TO COME AND GIVE OUR OPINION AND OUR THOUGHTS ON HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. IT'S, YEAH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, THANK, APPRECIATE IT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS 'CAUSE AS A DEVELOPER, WE'VE GONE DOWN ROADS BEFORE AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN GOTTEN NEW INFORMATION AND WE'VE ABANDONED DOLLARS THAT WE'VE SPENT AND THEY'RE SUNK. BUT IN THE END, UM, IT WAS A WISE DECISION 'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE SPENT MORE DOLLARS CHASING THOSE DOLLARS. AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU EVALUATE, IT'S A CONSTANT EVALUATION, UH, AND YOU JUST HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE WHEN YOU AGREED TO GO FORWARD ON THE 60% IS ALL I'M SAYING. AND I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T GET OVERLY CONCERNED AS A, I'M NOT A TAXPAYER IN THIS CITY, BUT I APPRECIATE WHEN OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS REEVALUATE THINGS AND UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUST 'CAUSE THEY MADE A DECISION AT ONE DAY. THEY DON'T USE THAT AND CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH IF IT'S NOT THE RIGHT DECISION. SO AS A TAXPAYER, I APPRECIATE VALUATION, SO I WOULDN'T BEAT YOURSELF UP OF IT IF YOU MAKE A DECISION TO GO A DIFFERENT WAY. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A JUSTIFIABLE DECISION. BUT I DON'T LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. TOUGH TAXPAYERS HERE, . YEAH. THEY'RE TOUGH EVERYWHERE. BUT I MEAN, YEAH, ALWAYS. YOU KNOW WHAT, SPEAKING AS A TAXPAYER, ALL WE WANT IS GOOD GOVERNANCE AND GOOD STEWARDSHIP. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AS TAXPAYERS. AND I THINK AS LONG AS Y'ALL PROVIDE THAT, PEOPLE SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF IT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I HAVE SEVERAL I'VE BEEN WAITING. UM, OKAY. SO ON THE TOPIC OF CITY FACILITIES, WHAT YOU GUYS REALLY NEED IS A FOOTPRINT AND A PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE, WHAT WE EXPECT THOSE TO BE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE MAYBE TWO YEARS OUT, MIGHT BE FIVE YEARS OUT, MIGHT BE 10 YEARS OUT BEFORE WE BUILD A FACILITY. SO YOU JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU CAN PLUG AND PLAY IN THE DIFFERENT PLACES AS YOU START PUTTING THAT PUZZLE TOGETHER. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO I MEAN, SO WE, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SITE REQUIREMENT IS. YEAH. WE DON'T NEED A, WE DON'T NEED A FOOTPRINT IF YOU JUST SAID I NEED TWO ACRES RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M, OKAY. SORRY. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT WAS A SIZE, SIZE AND SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE UTILITY REQUIREMENT IS. MM-HMM. . BECAUSE IT MAY MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE AND A 10 INCH WATER LINE. WELL, SO MY POINT IS ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE. THAT WE DON'T NEED A FULL STUDY OF WHAT OUR FULL REQUIREMENT IS. NO, NO. WE NEED, WE CAN LOOK AROUND AT COMMUNITIES AND SAY, YEAH, WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ABOUT THIS SIZE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S GONNA CHANGE. BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE DO A STUDY WHEN WE'RE CLOSE TO BEING READY TO BUILD SO THAT WE GET THE REQUIREMENTS RIGHT. IF WE THEN DON'T BUILD FOR FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE TO GO DO A STUDY AGAIN. AND SO I DON'T WANNA DO A STUDY JUST FOR YOU. SURE, SURE. AND THEN GO DO ANOTHER ONE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED. YEAH. TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU NEED, AND YOU KNOW THAT THOSE ANSWERS ARE GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME ANYWAY. THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY AS IT BUILDS OUT, IT, IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER TO FIT THINGS IN. BUT YEAH, I THINK WHAT I WOULD SAY, I WOULDN'T EVEN DO A STUDY. I WOULD JUST WRITE DOWN THE USE RIGHT. THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. AND LOOK AT THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE DOING THAT SAME USE. YEAH. AND IF IT'S THREE TO FIVE ACRES, PUT IT DOWN. 'CAUSE YOU CAN MORPH OVER THAT. MM-HMM AND WE'LL PUT YOU SOMEWHERE. THE OTHER ONE CAN FLEX NEXT TO YOU OR IT CAN SHRINK NEXT TO YOU. SO I JUST DON'T WANT US AS A CITY TO GO SPEND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN VARIOUS STUDIES. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ASKING WHEN THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU NEED. NOT. SO IT'S MORE OR LESS A USE AND A, AND IF YOU JUST TELL US THE USE, WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE GENERAL SIZE. I MEAN HONESTLY WE CAN, WE CAN GENERALLY DO THAT. 'CAUSE WE CAN GO TO PLACES THAT IT'S BEEN DONE AND ASK Y'ALL'S GROUP, IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? AND YOU SAY YES. AND WE SAY, OKAY HERE, LET'S JUST, AND THEN ON THE, THE TRUST TOPIC, I THINK LAYING OUT THE TIMELINE OF YOU THINK THE BUILD OUT'S 12 TO 15 YEARS. I, I KNOW AT THE EDC YOU SAID TAKE DOWN [01:10:01] PROBABLY 20 TO 30 ACRES A YEAR IS, IS PROBABLY A GOOD, GOOD TARGET, GOOD GOAL FOR THAT. IT'S NOT GONNA JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN BUILD OUT IN THREE YEARS. THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK HAVING UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS IN THE PUBLIC IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT INJURES TRUST. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE GOOD THING. AND THEN THE OTHER IS ON THE RETAILERS, LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO BE SPECULATING ABOUT RETAILERS. WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOT SOMEBODY HERE TO CONTRACT AND IT CAN BE ANNOUNCED. THAT'S GREAT. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES US MUCH GOOD TO SPECULATE BECAUSE THEN THINGS FALL THROUGH. AND PART OF THAT IS BASED ON, I MEAN THE REASON YOU WANT SINGLE FAMILY OR OR RESIDENTIAL IN HERE EARLY IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DRIVE THE FOOT TRAFFIC AND THE LOCAL TRAFFIC UP TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT THE RETAILERS THAT WE WANT TO ATTRACT. CORRECT. 'CAUSE WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING IN ON SPECULATION OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE. THEY'RE HAPPIER TO COME IN WHEN THEY SEE MORE REALITY ON THE GROUND RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY CAN COMMIT TO. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. BUT IT'S ALSO 250 ACRES IS A LOT OF LAND. IF YOU DEVELOP, IF YOU DEVELOP IT WITH DENSITY MUCH AND, AND THIS CITY'S GONNA CHANGE, IT'S CHANGED A LOT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT MORE IN THE NEXT 20. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDER DEVELOP A SITE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS BACK TO THAT SITE FOR PROBABLY ANOTHER 50 YEARS BEFORE THAT USE WEARS OUT. YOU TEAR IT DOWN AND YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO WE LIKE TO GO SOMETIMES A LITTLE SLOWER PACE SO THAT THE, THE, THE MARKET DEMANDS CAN CATCH UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT YOU GET THE DENSITY THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE. SO THAT STAYS RELEVANT FOR A LONGER PIECE OF TIME. AND THE ONE THING I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS, YOU PROBABLY HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, MUELLER AIRPORT WHEN IT WAS YEAH IT WAS 3, 500, 600 ACRES. YOU NOTICE HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL THEY PUT IN THERE AT A MORE DENSE CON CONGREGATION. SO THAT, 'CAUSE IT WOULD'VE TAKEN THEM 50 YEARS TO BUILD OUT THAT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. SO THEY BROUGHT IN RESIDENTIAL THAT CREATED A DENSITY THAT ALLOWED THEM TO DO USES ON THAT PROPERTY THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WANTED AND WHAT THE AREA WANTED. AND IT'S, IT'S JUST RIGHT UP THE ROAD AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S A HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL PIECE THAT OFFERS SOMETHING THAT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T. SO YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY APPETITE FOR THAT HIGH DENSITY IS QUITE THERE. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO, THE CLOSER YOU GET IN THAT DIRECTION, THE EASIER IT IS TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE OTHER GOALS. SO IT IS FINDING WHAT THAT BALANCE IS FOR, FOR YOU GUYS FOR OUR COMMUNITY WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT THAT'S NOT AND THE DENSITY. YEAH. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY WAS DRIVEN THERE BY LAND VALUES. MM-HMM IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE VALUES THAT MUER VERSUS HERE. SO THAT ALMOST FORCED YOU TO A HIGHER DENSITY LEVEL THAN WHAT WE WOULD THINK IS APPROPRIATE. I WAS JUST MAINLY TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AS A USE THAT DRIVES, PUTS MORE VALUE ON THE BALANCE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER, I ALWAYS GO TOWARDS THE END, GET EVERYBODY OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT IT USUALLY STARTS ROUND TWO. ALL RIGHT GUYS, I THINK YOU GOT COURAGE COMING HERE AND TELLING US WHAT SOME DON'T WANT TO HEAR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BRIDGE THING PERSONALLY. UM, WE KILLED IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO. IT COMES BACK. I THINK THE TRUST ISSUE, EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT VERSION WITH THE TRUST. I THINK THE TRUST ISSUE FOR MYSELF THAT I HAVE AND, AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW IS THAT FREQUENTLY WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT IF YOU DO IT OUR WAY IT'LL BE SUCCESSFUL. AND WE SAY, WELL WE'RE PROFESSIONALS AND, AND WE'RE GOOD AT LIKE HOW A BRIDGE SHOULD LOOK. BUT WE DON'T, NOBODY THAT I'VE MET INSIDE THIS BUILDING UNDERSTANDS HOW A BIG BOX RETAILER, HOW THEY THINK, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MAYBE WE DON'T NEED MONUMENT SIGNS ANYMORE. AND I'VE SAID, WELL I, YOU'D BE SHOCKED. LIKE SIGNAGE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. MAYBE IT'S PSYCHOLOGICAL AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GEOLOCATE IT, BUT WE HAVE REALLY, REALLY RESTRICTIVE SIGNS. AND SO IF YOU PUT AN OVERPASS AND YOU HAVE SIX FOOT TALL MONUMENT SIGNS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE PUSH BACK ON THAT. WE HAVE SO MANY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE PUT ON A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES, I THINK YOU GUYS ALLUDED TO IT THAT WELL, THEY CAN GO TO THE EDGE OF ROUND ROCK AND CAPTURE THE SAME PEOPLE. THEY CAN GO JUST WHAT, A QUARTER MILE TO THE EAST AND THEY'RE ON EDGE OF TAYLOR AND TAYLOR WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST THRILLED TO HAVE A 300 ACRE DEVELOPMENT OF SALES TAX THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER 20 YEARS. SO, UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT. I DON'T KNOW WHO PUSHES A BRIDGE. I KNOW THE FIRM THAT WE HAD, IT WAS BEFORE OUR CURRENT CITY ENGINEER AND THEY WERE PLAYING CITY ENGINEER AND DESIGNER. AND SO OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD WANT NOTHING MORE THAN A GIANT, YOU KNOW, 5 MILLION UH, DOLLAR DESIGN BRIDGE BECAUSE I THINK THAT HELPS 'EM. BUT SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE TRUST GOES. I THINK THE MORE THAT WE SAY YOUR DEVELOPERS, HERE'S THE ACREAGE, GO DO IT. I THINK THAT'S BETTER. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ALLUDE TO ABOUT THE MONEY IS, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GOT SOME MONEY PUT IN, BUT AS I'VE TOLD THE CITY MANAGER, WHAT I WANT IS INSTEAD OF ME LAYING AWAKE AT NIGHT WITH THE CITY OR THE EDC [01:15:01] SPENDING $3,000 A DAY ON CARRY COSTS, I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE LAYING AWAKE AT NIGHT, BEATING ON DOORS, POUNDING PAVEMENT GOING, MAN, WE WE GOTTA GET IT. WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING. HOW DO WE GET THIS GUY TO COME? NOT THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T DOING THAT, BUT AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, IMPORTANCE TO YOU WHEN IT'S LIKE, OKAY, MY RETURN IS GOING DOWN IF I DON'T GET SOMETHING DONE VERSUS WORKING WITH US. AND IT HAS BEEN I THINK LIKE 10 MONTHS. AND SO I'M THINKING WE OUGHT TO BE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. I'M GLAD THE MO U'S COMING UP FOR EXPIRATION. 'CAUSE TO ME IT'S TIME TO PUTTER, GET OFF THE GREEN. WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU NEED. IF WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO DO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND BE SUCCESSFUL, THEN I THINK WE AS A CITY NEED TO REEVALUATE. AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT GOES BACK INTO THE TRUST 'CAUSE NOT BEEN A MONTH AGO, MAYBE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 42 INCH WASTEWATER LINE AND KIND OF THE UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S REALLY NOT PUSHING YOUR GUYS' TIMELINE. AND IN MY MIND, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE WASTEWATER. AND TO ME IT'S, IT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME IT WOULD BE PUSHING IT SOMEWHAT BECAUSE YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA GET REAL SERIOUS AND SPEND MONEY UNTIL WE GET REAL SERIOUS. AND IF WE CAN'T GIVE YOU A TIMELINE WHEN IT'S OPERATIONAL, WHEN CAN YOU GIVE US A TIMELINE WHEN YOU'RE GONNA LAND A BIG BOX? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL THE TENANT WHEN IT'S GONNA BE DONE. AND SO RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING'S CONCEPTUAL AND I KNOW THOSE GUYS AND THEY TYPICALLY ARE LIKE, WHEN YOU GET SOME CONCRETE ANSWERS, WHEN IT'S DESIGNED, WHEN IT'S FUNDED, GIVE US A CALL AND IF WE'RE NOT ALREADY FIGURED THINGS OUT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME OF THE TRUST GOES IS WE'RE BEING TOLD, TRUST US, THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER AND WE'VE ALMOST LAND ALMOST TWO YEARS AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN ON THE WASTEWATER LINE OTHER THAN WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER AND START IT OVER. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETIMES THE TRUST. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, AND I'M NOT REALLY ASKING YOU GUYS QUESTIONS 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY CAME UP AND SAID, HEY, THIS DEAL MAY NOT WORK IF YOU GUYS DON'T CHANGE THE BRIDGE. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO DIG A HOLE BASE ON ME ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT JUST GIVEN GENERAL THOUGHTS THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE, UM, I THINK ACCESS IS IMPORTANT TO UTILITIES. I THINK ACCESS TO THE ROAD IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I I CAN'T, IT, IT JUST AMAZES ME HOW MANY TIMES, NOT JUST HOW TO GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL TELLS PEOPLE THAT, WELL THIS ACCESS WILL WORK, TRUST US. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SKIN IN THE GAME. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS THEIR JOB IS TO MAKE PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT SAFELY. AND DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS PARTICULAR USER WANTS THE ACCESS 100 FEET OFF THE INTERSECTION, MAYBE WE TRY TO DO THAT. SO I KNOW THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND. UM, BUT I THINK RESTRICTING ACCESS ALONG 79, I DON'T THINK WE WANT THE PROJECT YOU'RE GONNA BRING WITH THE BRIDGE, WHICH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE ALL MULTIFAMILY, 200 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY. BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW OF A SINGLE PERSON THAT WOULD COME HERE DEVELOP. AND, AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO TOLD ME, WELL IT WORKS DOWN AT UH, STONEHILL, IT WORKS OVER AT 45 AND 35. AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT PEOPLE MISS IS THAT 79 IS NOT, I 35, 79 IS NOT ONE 30 AND EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT DRIVE TIMES. AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY OFF THE BEATEN PATH OFF ONE 30. AND SO YOU'RE REALLY CATERING TO PREDOMINANTLY WHAT HUDU AND TAYLOR PEOPLE. AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN OVERPASS BLOCKING VISIBILITY, BLOCKING ACCESS, YOU START TAKING AWAY SO MUCH OF YOUR PEOPLE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SEE IT TO WHERE ONE 30 HAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY SAY, LOOKING AT STONE HILL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE 40,000 PEOPLE. RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE COMING UP ON US TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE THEN YOU GUYS, IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD A BRIDGE, YOU GUYS MAY SAY, WELL, I MEAN IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD WHAT YOU WANT. DO YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE? WE MAY SAY NO AND AT LEAST YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT JUST KEEP WASTING TIME. WE'RE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WHERE I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THIS MIDDLE GROUND, UM, UTILITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AT STONEHILL IS, IS BASICALLY A SCARCITY GAME. MM-HMM. WHEN LINCOLN GET SCARCE, PEOPLE CHANGE WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT SCARCITY OUT HERE. OH, EXACTLY. AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE YOU GET IT GOING 20 YEARS AGO, THE FIRST GUY THAT LANDED, THAT'S RISK. YEAH. NOW YOU GO AND SAY, I HAVE AN OUT PARCEL. SOMEONE MOVED OUT. WELL YEAH, YOU HAVE 15 PEOPLE WANNA BACKFILL IT BECAUSE NOW, NOW ALL THE PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE, THAT RISK IS GONE. WE HAVE TO CREATE OUR WHOLE OTHER MAGNET OVER HERE AND EPICENTER FOR PEOPLE TO COME. AND WHY WOULD THEY, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD THEY DRIVE FROM ROUND ROCK COME UP ONE 30 EXIT AND COME OVER THERE? NO, IT'S, IT'S AND UH, ALL THAT, UM, ALL FACTORS INTO THEIR DECISION. SO THE LAST THING I'D SAY IS IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO BUILD A BRIDGE AND REDESIGN IT, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE A DELAY IN THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. WE'RE PROBABLY TWO YEARS AWAY FROM WASTEWATER SERVICE. AND SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW A TIMELINE. LAST I HEARD WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE UP AND RUNNING. AND SO TO ME WE HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE'RE 60% THERE. WE CAN, THEY WANT, THEY CAN FINISH IT UP. SO WE HAVE IT PLANNED FOR 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR WE CAN DO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE A WHILE BACK AND JUST CUT OUR LOSSES AND STOP GOING DOWN THAT [01:20:01] UH, IT'S KIND OF A BOON DOG. 'CAUSE YOU GUYS MAY NOT NOTICE ONCE YOU BUILD THE BRIDGE, WE'VE GOT LIKE $60 MILLION IN ROADS WE GOTTA BUILD TO IT 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A BRIDGE. AND SO WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO I DON'T KNOW, WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ON THAT. BUYING A HOUSE, YOU NEED TO BUY A RUG . EXACTLY. THEN YOU NEED TO BUY ART, THEN YOU NEED TO BUY. SO ANYWAY, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING. UM, I IF YOU GUYS STICK WITH IT, I HOPE YOU DO. I HOPE WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET YOU UNDER CONTRACT, START GETTING SOME MOMENTUM, GET YOU SOME CONCRETE ANSWERS. AND THAT I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS ALWAYS FEEL EMPOWERED TO TELL US NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR BUT WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR AND THEN NOT, NOT FEEL THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THAT. THAT YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONALS IN DEVELOPMENT. YOU OTHER PEOPLE WHO MEET WITH THE ACTUAL DEVELOPERS THAT WE CRAVED, WE CRAVED TO HAVE THESE TENANTS COME, BUT WE SAY WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. BUT A LOT OF DECISIONS WE MAKE, LIKE LATER ON TONIGHT WE'RE POPPING IN, UH, IMPACT FEES REALLY HIGH AND TO ME THE FIRST THING THAT DOES IS MAKE A RETAILER GO ONE MILE AWAY. I CAN SAVE, YOU KNOW, $400,000 GOING A MILE AWAY. I JUST GO DOWN THERE. AND SO I THINK ALL THESE THINGS WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT BECAUSE I THINK WE KEEP MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE MAKING PEOPLE GO, CAN I GO TO, WELL NOT VILLE, CAN I GO TO GEORGETOWN? CAN I GO TO ROUND ROCK? UM, AND SO I THINK ALL THESE DECISIONS WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT? AND MAYBE WE WANT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY WITHOUT BIG BOX AND RETAIL FOR OUR PEOPLE. UM, IF WE WANT THAT BUILD A BRIDGE, YOU KNOW. WELL IF I CAN ADD ONE THING THAT YOU SAID WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT 20 YEARS, YOU COULD DESIGN THIS INTERSECTION AND WE'D BE PERFECTLY HAPPY IF YOU DESIGNED IT FOR TODAY. THAT LEFT SPACE FOR YOUR OVERPASS IN THE FUTURE. AND WHEN IT COMES ALONG YOU DO IT. UH, BECAUSE INTERSECTION IS AT GREAT, THE OVERPASS IS GONNA GO OVER AND IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE SAME KIND OF EFFECT ON IT. THAT, THAT WE'D HAVE. YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME ACCESS YOU GOING WEST. YOU JUST COME TO THE INTERSECTION AND TAKE A, I MEAN GOING NORTH YOU JUST COME TO THE INTERSECTION AND TAKE A TURN. MM-HMM. , YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO UP ON ELEVATED THING AND TURN OVER YOU. YOU CAN DESIGN THIS FOR TODAY AND FOR NEXT YEAR. I MEAN IT'S UH, THERE, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR. IT'S JUST OUR OPINION IS DO WHAT YOU NEED TO FOR TODAY IN THE NEXT 15, 20 YEARS AND 20 YEARS. LET YOUR PREDECESSORS OR YOUR PEOPLE THAT TAKE Y'ALL'S PLACE MAKE THE DECISION IF THEY WANT THE BRIDGE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN THE TWO IN MY OPINION. YEAH. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT DAVE? YES. SAVED THE $88 MILLION. I BET YOU HAVE ANOTHER USE FOR IT. OH, THERE'S A COUPLE. UH, NO CITIES. I BET YOU'LL HAVE A USE. AND BRAD, DID YOU SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THAT? IF THE, IF THE DESIGN THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED IS TO BE PUT OFF FOR 20 YEARS, DOES THE BIG BOX THEN BECOME SATISFIED WITH THE 20 YEAR TIMEFRAME OR IS THAT STILL ENOUGH TO SAY, LIKE YOU GUYS WERE SAYING IN COLLEGE STATION, HEY WE KNOW SOMEDAY IT'S GONNA BE GRADE SEPARATED SO WE'RE NOT GONNA INVEST IN THAT PROPERTY. NO. COLLEGE STATION IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE INTERSECTIONS THERE AND THEY'RE, THEY, THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY SO THEY HAVE LIMITED ROOM TO DO IT. SO THEY'RE EITHER GONNA GO UNDER WITH IT OR THEY'RE GONNA GO OVER WITH IT. MM-HMM. . AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A GREAT AT GRADE CHAIN TURN AS WELL IF IT HAPPENS. UH, WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS I'D CREATE THE INTERSECTION AT GRADE AND THEN LET YOUR NORTH, YOUR EAST WEST OR YOUR NORTH SOUTH, EITHER ONE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. LET THAT BE YOUR FLYOVER. AND IN THIS CASE IT'D BE NORTH, NORTH, SOUTH. 'CAUSE YOU GOT THE TRAIN TRACKS. MM-HMM. . BUT IT CAN, THAT CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE GOING SOUTH. THEY CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE GOING NORTH OR YOU COME UP TO GRADE AND TAKE A LEFT OR RIGHT. SO YOU'RE NOT BUILDING HUGE RETAINING WALLS. YOU'RE BUILDING THE STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD INSTEAD OF TAKING THE WHOLE ROAD UP. AND, AND THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO THE BIG BOX CLIENTS THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT. YES. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT DISRUPTING THE INTERSECTION. ALRIGHT GUYS, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ARE YOU STICKING AROUND FOR THE NEXT ITEM 14 ONE? WE CAN, WE CAN IF YOU'D LIKE US TO. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO GO, UM, 14 ONE THEN TEN TWO, THEN 12 TWO, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT. WE DO THE BRIDGE, THEN WE WOULD GO TO, UM, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ITEM FOLLOWED BY THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES. I THINK THAT KNOCKS OUT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, HERE, NO OBJECTIONS IN, WE'LL GO TO ITEM [14.1. Discuss and consider action regarding the overpass design at CR 132 and Highway 79. (Cheney Gamboa/Matt Rector) ] 14 ONE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ACTION REGARDING THE OVERPASS DESIGN AT CR 1 32 AND HIGHWAY 79. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR COUNSEL. OKAY, UH, SO WE'VE ALREADY TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT JUST TO KIND OF RECAP THE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT, UH, TO REMIND EVERYONE IN CASE THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF IT, THE CR 1 32 AT US 79, [01:25:01] UH, CONNECTION IS BASICALLY A CONNECTION OF A NEW NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL THAT WAS A, ORIGINALLY A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN, UH, WILLIAMSON COUNTY TDOT AND THE CITY OF HUDU TO BE A REGIONAL PROJECT. UM, IT WAS BACK IN 20 17, 20 18, THERE WERE, UH, SOME PASS THROUGH FUNDS SET ASIDE THROUGH TDO AND WILLIAMSON COUNTY TO HELP PAY FOR THIS. IT WAS GONNA BE A JOINT REGIONAL EFFORT. UH, IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO PROVIDE RELIEF FROM FS 1660 AS IT GOES THROUGH TOWN. UH, IT WAS, UH, ANTICIPATED TO ELIMINATE THE ACT GRADE CROSSING, UH, US 79 AND UPRR. UH, WE WERE GONNA, IT WAS GONNA IMPROVE SAFETY TO 1 32 AND 79. UH, SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, SEVERAL FATALITIES IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THERE. UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH T NOT TO ADD MORE SIGNALS AND CONGESTION TO US. 79, UM, THE DESIGN. SO THE DESIGN WAS STARTED ON IT IN 2019. UM, THE DESIGN WAS STOPPED IN 2020. UM, AND THAT WAS ABOUT $830,000. THE DESIGN WAS STARTED UP AGAIN IN 2023. WE SPENT ABOUT 691,000 TO DATE. UH, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THERE WE'RE ABOUT 60% INTO THE DESIGN COORDINATING WITH TXDOT. UH, THIS IS LOOKING AT, SO CR 1 32 IS BASICALLY GOING LEFT TO RIGHT IN THIS PICTURE. SO NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THIS PICTURE, WHICH HAS USS 79 GOING LEFT OR RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, TXDOT HAS INDICATED IS THAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING THEIR ULTIMATE CROSS SECTION OF USS 79 TO BE SIX LANES DIVIDED THE NORTH SOUTH ARTERIAL PER THE COUNTY'S PLAN. UM, THE CITY'S PLAN AND TDOT'S PLAN IS TO DO A SIX LANE NORTH SOUTH ROADWAY. AND SO YOU HAVE BASICALLY TWO SIX LANE ROADS CROSSING EACH OTHER, PLUS YOU HAVE THE RAILROAD IN THERE COMPLICATING THINGS. UM, SO AS WE, AS WE WORK THROUGH THE DESIGN ON THIS PROCESS, AND IF YOU HAVE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE DO HAVE WADE BITTEN HERE FROM GARVER TO ANSWER DETAILED DESIGN QUESTIONS. UM, AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THIS, AS YOU JUST HEARD, UH, MIDWAY HAS SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVES. AND SO, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KIND OF TAKE A BREATH FOR A MOMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND LET LET YOU GUYS DECIDE KIND OF WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO. UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS WE WERE JUST INFORMED, UH, RECENTLY, I THINK LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, TDOT IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON A PROJECT NOW TO INSTALL A TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE. AND WHEN I SAY TEMPORARY, THEY'RE NOT DOING MASSED ARMS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S THE, THE TENSION CABLES WITH A HANGING SIGNAL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING A TEMPORARY SIGNAL TO TRY TO IMPROVE SAFETY WHILE WE COME UP WITH OUR SOLUTION. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. UM, AND SO LOOKING THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF, UM, I'VE PUT THESE SAME OPTIONS IN YOUR PACKET. AND SO HERE ARE THE OPTIONS AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE WAY I SEE THEM. UM, WE COULD STAY THE COURSE AS WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND GO AHEAD AND CONSTRUCT, UH, THE OVERPASS AS I SHOWED IT VERY BRIEFLY THERE. AND WHAT WAS BASICALLY DISCUSSED BACK IN THE WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD IN LIKE AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. UM, WE COULD CHANGE COURSE AND TRY TO WORK WITH TXDOT AND UPRR TO ADOPT THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THAT WE JUST HAD UP ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU. THAT WAS DONE BY P DAWSON WORKING WITH MIDWAY. UH, WE COULD CHANGE COURSE, UM, FYI DO NOT MEAN THE PUN HERE, FOR CHANGING COURSE. IT WAS COMPLETE ACCIDENT. I JUST REAL, IT JUST CLICKED FOR ME. UM, I'M A LITTLE SLOW ON THE UPTAKE, BUT I'LL GET THERE, CHANGE COURSE AND NOT DO THE OVERPASS OR SORRY, JUST DO AN OVERPASS. SO JUST NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 1 32 AND 79 ANYMORE. JUST 70 NINES FLYING EAST WEST UNDERNEATH ONE 30 TWOS GOING NORTH, SOUTH OVER. THERE'S NO ON OFF RAMPS, THERE'S NO TURN LANES, THERE'S NO CONNECTION THERE ANYMORE. UM, WE COULD JUST POSTPONE THE PROJECT AND WAIT. UM, WE COULD CHANGE COURSE AND TRY TO WORK WITH TDOT AND UPRR TO INSTALL A PERMANENT SIGNAL ON US 79. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID MENTION WHEN I ME MENTIONED THE TEMPORARY SIGNAL IS THAT IT IS ONLY A SIGNAL. THERE IS NO WORK TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION TO FIX ANYTHING WITH THE RAILROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S LITERALLY JUST A SIGNAL ON 79 AND 1 32. SO WE COULD WORK WITH TEXDOT AND UPRR TO DO A PERMANENT SIGNAL THAT NOT ONLY [01:30:01] IMPROVES SAFETY, BUT EXPANDS THE CR 1 32 AND FIXES THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION. AND THOSE ARE THE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SIXTH OPTION, BUT MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING. SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS AS I SEE THEM. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE, THE MIDWAY TEAM HERE. WE HAVE GARVER HERE. CHANEY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER. SO, UH, WE'RE ALL HERE TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANKS SIR. SO WHAT IS OPTION TWO? YOU SAID IT WAS UP ON THE SCREEN. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT. I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT IS. DOES IT INCLUDE A, A BRIDGE? DOES IT NOT, DOES IT, I MEAN, LIKE WHAT? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THAT NUMBER TWO IS. YEAH, CAN YOU, I MEAN ALL OF THEM, BUT START WITH NUMBER TWO FOR ME. OKAY, THERE WE GO. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THROUGH THE ONLINE. CAN YOU ZOOM IN MORE INTO THE INTERSECTION THERE PLEASE? SO WE CAN KIND OF TALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE MORE. OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. UM, AND SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE WITH THE AERIAL BACKGROUND, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINES THERE. UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY MIDWAY FOLK AND GARVER, LET ME KNOW IF I RUN OFF THE ROAD HERE. UM, ANOTHER PUN, THAT FUN WAS INTENDED. OKAY. , I LIKED, I LIKED THAT. JUST TRYING TO SEE IF YOU'RE AWAKE. . UH, SO THE RED LINES WOULD BE YOUR ACTUAL BRIDGE OVER 79. SO THAT'S YOUR LANES NORTH AND SOUTH FOR THE 1 32. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE JUST OUTSIDE OF THOSE RED LINES WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE THE TURN LANES. SO EFFECTIVELY YOU WOULD BE WIDENING THAT AREA. YOU WOULD HAVE THE TURN LANES TO WHERE IF YOU'RE NORTHBOUND ON 1 32, YOU COULD TURN RIGHT ONTO 79. UM, OR UH, IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND ON 79, YOU CAN TURN RIGHT AND GO DOWN ON 1 32. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT TURNS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALL THERE. UM, BUT THIS LEAVES THE AT GRADE CROSSING OVER THE RAILROAD IN PLACE, IT ACTUALLY WOULD EXPAND THE AT GRADE CROSSING. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TWO-LANE COUNTRY ROAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . AND SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT SIGNIFICANTLY WIDER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. WHAT'S THE COST ESTIMATE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UH, I DON'T HAVE HAVE, HAVE YOU GUYS, WE, WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO COST IT. NO. OKAY. LESS THAN THE CURRENT PLAN. WELL I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S LESS THAN THE CURRENT PLAN, BUT IT'S ALSO PROBABLY 21 YEARS REMOVED. 'CAUSE YOU DO THAT GRADE TODAY AND YOU COME BACK AND DO THE OVERPASS WHEN IT'S TIMELY. OH, I SEE. SO YOUR PLAN WOULD BE A, A PHASED APPROACH WHERE YOU DO THE ACT GRADE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN IF AND WHEN YOU NEED A A, A BRIDGE, THEN YOU PUT IT IN LATER, YOU BASICALLY CREATE THE OPTIONALITY FOR A BRIDGE IN THE FUTURE. IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL NEED FOR BEDTIME, WOULD YOU MICROPHONE CREATE INFRASTRUCTURE TODAY? OH, SO FOR THE FUTURE THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE MAYBE EVEN A MORE LIKE A RAISED ABOVE THE NORTH SOUTH, POSSIBLY LIKE MORE OF A FLYOVER ABOVE THE NORTH SOUTH. I'M SORRY, REPEAT THAT. SO, SO THE NORTH SOUTH, THAT WOULD BE ELEVATED, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? WELL IF, LET'S TRY TO ENVISION, IF YOU'RE COMING UP 1 32 FROM THE SOUTH, YEAH. YOU'VE GOT THE OPTION OF GOING AND, AND THE BRIDGE IS IN THE MIDDLE. MM-HMM. . SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING LEFT LANE OVER THE BRIDGE AND IT COULD BE THE LEFT TWO LANES AND I YOU NEED SIX LANES, BUT YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE AT GRADE ON THAT TURNING LEFT. YOU GO, YOU GO OVER OR YOU TAKE THE RIGHT TWO LANES AND YOU COME UP TO THE INTERSECTION. THERE'S A SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION, YOU'VE GOT A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE GOING TO THE WEST. YOU'VE GOT LEFT TURN LIGHTS AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE LEFT TURN, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE LEFT TURN, UH, AISLE JUST UNDER THE BRIDGE FOR A LEFT TURN GOING EAST OR UH, GOING WEST. IF YOU'RE NORTHBOUND EAST, IF YOU'RE SOUTHBOUND, YOU HAVE THREE FLOW RIGHT LANES. AND THE BEAUTY OF IT, I THINK, AGAIN, , THE LITTLE ARROGANCE SINCE I SKETCHED THIS UP, BUT YOU, YOU BASICALLY HAVE FRONTAGE ROAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO YOU'VE GOT THAT FRONTAGE ROAD, YOU'VE GOT THE ACCESS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ACCESS RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION. TXDOT DOESN'T LET YOU DO THAT ANYWHERE, BUT YOU'VE GOT ACCESS A LOT CLOSER THAN YOU WOULD WITH THE OTHER DESIGN. AS I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER DESIGN. YOU CAN, DESI, AS BRAD SAID, YOU CAN DO THIS INTERSECTION, LEAVE ROOM FOR THE BRIDGE, KNOWING THE OVERPASS, KNOWING WHAT YOU WILL NEED IN THE FUTURE AND COME BACK AND BUILD IT IN THE FUTURE. IT'S DONE ALL THE TIME. AND, AND, AND I LIKE IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, IT'S THE SADDEST THING IN THE WORLD TO SEE IS A AMBULANCE OR A FIRETRUCK SITTING BEHIND A TRAIN. MM-HMM, , RIGHT? SO YOU COULD HAVE CONTINUITY FREE [01:35:01] FLOW FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND YET STILL HAVE THAT ACCESS WITH THE AT GRADE INTERSECTION. IT'S A DESIGN IDEA. WE HAVEN'T COST IT OUT. BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S A SIGNIFICANT LESSON. WHAT WAS BEING CONTEMPLATED IN MY OPINION. TO ME, THIS'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A W GRIMES IN 79 OR RIGHT NOW. THEY, THEY CROSSED THE RAILROAD TRACK. YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW IT, BUT IT'S UH, IT'S UH, I THINK IT'S A SIX LANE NORTH SOUTH THAT'S INTERSECTING A SIX LANE ON 79. SO IF IT'S THE ONE I'M THINKING OF. YEAH. YEAH. AND IN THE FUTURE, AND THEY HAVEN'T STARTED MOVING UTILITIES YET AND GETTING RIGHT AWAY, BUT 79 WILL FLY OVER THE INTERSECTION. THIS IS JUST INSTEAD OF 79 FLYING OVER, THIS IS GONNA BE 1 32 FLYING OVER IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT'LL HAVE FRONTAGE ROADS A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST. IT'LL HAVE A TEXAS U-TURN. UM, BUT EVERYBODY'S ACCESS IS STAYING THE EXACT SAME ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHED, AS I SEE IT, YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL, UH, NODE OF BUSINESSES WITH A ESTABLISHED FOLLOWING AND THEN YOU COME AND DO THIS AND NOW THEY'RE DOING A TEXAS U-TURN AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO A LIGHT, TAKING A LEFT AND THEN DOING A U-TURN. IT'S ALMOST OPERATES BETTER 'CAUSE IT'S FREE FLOWING. BUT TO ME THIS IS, IT'S LIKE WHEN I FORGOT WHO I TALKED WITH YOU GUYS ONCE. I SAID YOU SEE THIS IN DALLAS ALL THE TIME, SIX LANE HITTING SIX LANE. I FEEL LIKE FOR SOME REASON IT'S EITHER TDOT DRIVEN OR OUTSIDE ENGINEER DRIVEN THAT ONCE YOU GET TO THE EAST SIDE OF HU WE CAN'T TOUCH THE SPEED LIMITS. WE CAN'T PUT ANY ACCESS POINTS IN EVERYTHING HAS THEIR FREE FLOW. BUT I'M LIKE FROM HUDU WEST OF 35, EVERYBODY'S GOT VIABLE ACCESS. EVERYBODY HAS VIABLE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY. BUT IN HUDU FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'RE BEING TOLD FROM THIS POINT GOING EAST 65 MILES AN HOUR, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT RETAIL SHOPPING TOO. AND SO TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BEING PUT AT A DISADVANTAGE AND WE NEED TO KIND OF FIGHT BACK A LITTLE BIT AND GO, THIS WORKS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN TEXAS. WHY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP A ROW 65 MILES AN HOUR WHEN WE GOT, YOU KNOW, THREE, 4,000 PEOPLE A YEAR MOVING ON TOP OF THIS LONG TERM THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE RETAIL. THAT'S ONE REASON WE LIMITED OUR ACCESS TO THE SITES TO TWO INTERSECTIONS. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING OUT THERE AT 65 MILES AN HOUR, YOU WANT TO LIMIT HOW PEOPLE ARE PULLING OUT AN END THROUGH MM-HMM. COURSES. SO WE'RE FINE WITH, WITH THE SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY ONE, MY ONE QUESTION ON THIS THOUGH, AND THIS IS A GOOD SOLUTION, BUT I I I HAVE TWO PROBLEMS. ONE, DO WE KNOW IF UNION SPECIFICALLY LET US DO AT GRADE ACROSS THEIR RAILROAD TRACK, DO WE KNOW IF TEXTILE IS GONNA ALLOW A CONTROLLED PERMANENT INTERSECTION? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THIS IS REQUIRING. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU'VE GOT A TON OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE SOUTH OF HU RIGHT NOW THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GONNA BE ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING DOWN TO THE SOUTH IS GOING TO GO NORTH THERE AND THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO CHANDLER ROAD TO GET OUT TO THE TOLL ROAD. THEY'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN TO COME IN 79 TO GET BACK TO ONE 30. 'CAUSE THIS THING ISN'T RIGHT NOW GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST LOOP. SO LONG TERM I'M LIKE, ARE RES CURATING A WORSE TRAFFIC INTERSECTION? NO, NOT FOR THE NORTHBOUND PEOPLE. 'CAUSE THEY COULD BE GOING SOUTHBOUND ELEVATED OVER IT, BUT UNTIL THAT GETS BUILT, UM, YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN'T SEE IT QUITE AS WELL ON THAT SCREEN. BUT AT THIS INTERSECTION YOU CAN TURN EVERY WAY. IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH, YOU CAN TAKE A LEFT HAND. I I UNDERSTAND THAT SIR. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SOUTH COMING NORTH ARE GONNA WANT TO TURN LEFT. IT'S BUILT FOR THAT. IT'S BUILT FOR THAT. IT IS BUILT. I I I SEE HOW FAR ALREADY CHRIS KELLY BACKS UP AND THAT ONE'S A FOUR LANE WITH TWO DEDICATED LE I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE KNOW THAT YOU NEED THAT? UNION PACIFIC WOULD EVEN LET US DO THAT AND SET IN TDOT LET US TO A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION OVER 79 A HIGHWAY. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THIS IS AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION IS MY QUESTION, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S YOUR FIELD THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THAT APPROVAL? SO COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, I, I CANNOT SPEAK TO TXDOT 'CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED BACK TO ME YET. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I SENT THIS SCHEMATIC TO BENESH, WHICH IS THE CONSULTANT FOR UPRR AND THEY, THEIR INITIAL RESPONSE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION SO I'M NOT DIGGING INTO THE WEEDS OF ANYTHING YET. THEIR INITIAL RESPONSE WAS THIS WAS A NON-STARTER UNLESS THE CITY WAS WILLING TO CLOSE THREE GATED INTERSECTIONS. SO TO DO THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THREE OTHERS SOMEWHERE. THREE GATED INTERSECTIONS. 'CAUSE WE DON'T, NOT ALL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ALL OF OUR RAILROAD CROSSINGS ARE GATED SO WE CAN'T JUST CLOSE ANYMORE. 1660. WE'D HAVE TO CLOSE CHRIS KELLY. THREE OF THE GATED ONES. I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE THREE. DO WE? WE HAVE, WE HAVE CHRIS [01:40:01] KELLY, WE HAVE JIM CAGE, WE HAVE 1660 SOUTH, WE HAVE THIS 1, 1 32 AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT I BELIEVE IS FURTHER TOWARD, FURTHER OUT ON THE MEGA SITE. SO WE HAVE FOUR, WELL EVERY TIME I IN, IN MY DAY JOB, EVERY TIME I CALL SOMEONE FOR SOMETHING, THE FIRST THING THEY SAY IS NO, BECAUSE THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD IS TO SAY NO. AND THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD IS TO SAY WE'LL BUILD A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BRIDGE AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. AND AND TO ME THOSE ARE EASY ANSWERS. DO I THINK THAT UP IS GONNA JUST SAY, WELL HECK YEAH. HOW MANY LANES DO YOU GUYS WANT? BY ALL MEANS NO, NOT AT ALL. BUT I THINK IT'S IT, WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT. AND AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON MATT THAT'S ON PREVIOUS STUFF, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IS ALWAYS YOU JUST THROW A LOT OF MONEY AT IT BECAUSE LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RETURNS. WE DON'T. WE JUST THROW MONEY AT IT AND EVENTUALLY IT FIGURES IT'S OUT, IT'S WAY OUT. BUT WELL HERE WE CAN DO THAT BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A DEVELOPMENT. UM, WELL WHAT I'D ADD TO THAT IS AN UN GATED INTERSECTION IS FAR MORE, MORE RISK FOR UP THAN A GATED INTERSECTION. AND IF YOU'RE ASKING SOMEBODY TO CLOSE A UNGATE, I'D RATHER TAKE OUT THREE UN GATED BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN JUST WALK OUT ON THERE. HAR CAN GET STUCK ON THERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE THE TRAIN COMING. THAT IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN A GATED INTERSECTION. SO JUST THAT COMMENT JUST TELLS ME THAT'S A FLIPPANT COMMENT IN MY OPINION. WE'VE DONE, WE'VE CHANGED OUT INTERSECTIONS I'VE HAD TO DO, IF THEY WENT TO THREE THAT'S NEW. I HAD TO CHANGE OUT TWO TO GET ONE BEFORE AND UH, IT TAKES TIME. I'VE NEVER GONE TO A CITY WITH AN IDEA AND THEN GO, WELL SURE, YEAH, HERE'S HOW YOU DO IT. IT'S ALWAYS A NO AND YOU GO, OKAY, WELL DON'T TELL ME NO. HOW DO WE WORK THROUGH THIS? WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS? OKAY, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? WE NEED A CERTAIN INTERSECTION, DESIGN A CERTAIN WAY WITH CERTAIN GATES AND CERTAIN SAFETY MEASURES TO ME. WE NEED TO KNOW ALL THAT AND THEN WE CAN SAY, YEAH, THAT'S TOO MUCH. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW AN AT GRADE INTERSECTION COMES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO $88 MILLION. I MEAN IT'S A HELL OF A LOT LESS ENGINEERING, WHICH THE CITY MANAGER HAS TOLD US THAT ENGINEERS MAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT COSTS. SO THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME FEEL THEY OVER-ENGINEER. BECAUSE IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN THE MORE ENGINEERING YOU DO OF THE PROJECT, THEN THE MORE MONEY YOU MAKE. AND I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM HOW DO WE MAKE IT WORK THE BEST CALLED ENGINEERING ETHICS. PLEASE DO NOT DISPERSE A DISPARAGE EVERYONE WHO'S A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING LICENSE CERTIFIED IN THE BOARD STATE OF TEXAS. IF I DID, I'M SORRY. I WOULDN'T SAY NO. HE'S TALKING ABOUT ME. NO, HE'S TALKING. YEAH, IT'S UPS OR I MEAN RAILROAD SERVICE. IT'S THIS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYTHING DONE WITH THEM. I'LL GIVE A STORY IN HOUSTON, A GUY NAMED, UM, ARCHIE DUNHAM WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT UP, HE HAD 1200 ACRES. HE WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP AND TRY TO GET TWO INTERSECTIONS. THEY WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM. HE WAS ON THE BOARD DIRECTOR'S UP, HE SUED THEM TO GET THE INTERSECTIONS. THIS IS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE RAILROAD THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH AND IT TOOK A LAWSUIT TO GET 'EM DONE. I MEAN IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OBSTINATE THE BEST. THAT KIND OF, KIND OF, BUT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, IN MY OPINION, IS THEY WANT STACKING LANES. SO IF THEY CAN TAKE OUT INTERSECTIONS, THEY CAN STACK TRAINS THERE AND SEND 'EM THERE ALL DAY LONG BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING IN AN INTERSECTION. SO THEY WANT LONG PIECES. AND SO THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET LONG STRETCHES AND YOU CAN'T BLAME IT. IT MAKES THEIR BUSINESS MORE EFFICIENT. BUT, AND A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS ME IN A, IN A PICKLE HERE BECAUSE IF I AGREE WITH THE BRIDGE ON DISCOUNTING DISPARAGING P DAWSON FOR THEIR IDEA, AND IF I LIKE THE P DAWSON, WELL THEN I'M DISPARAGING THE OTHER GROUP. 'CAUSE BOTH ENGINEERS CAN'T BE RIGHT ON THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS IN A COMPLETE AND AND AND IN DEFENSE OF P DAWSON, DAVID, THIS IS MY . AND, AND WHILE AND WHILE MY, AND WHILE MY LICENSE IS IS UH, HAS BEEN, UH, WHAT I WAS SAYING, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS ENGINEERS ARE GONNA DEVELOP AND DESIGN TO WHAT WAS ASKED OF THEM. ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN MAKE CHANGE MAINSTREAM. BUT YOU WERE SAYING THAT THEY JUST OVERDESIGNED JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT MORE MONEY. AND I SAID THAT'S AN ENGINEERING ETHICS VIOLATION AND DON'T SAY THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY, MIKE. YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL ABSOLUTELY DESIGN WHAT YOU ASKED FROM DESIGN. I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. I GUESS, YEAH, A QUESTION FOR, FOR WADE, UM, UM, I GUESS IN, YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH TXDOT, 'CAUSE YOU ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN CONTACTS ALONG WITH UH, MATT WITH COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AND BACK AND FORTH. I GUESS WHAT, WHAT PERCEPTION WOULD THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CHALLENGES WOULD THE CITY BE GOING UNDERGOING WITH TXDOT AND THAT RELATIONSHIP? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD VERY STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS ON OTHER INTERSECTIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND, AND SO I THINK I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT THIS IS JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER BLACK MARK AGAINST THE CITY OF HUDA WITH TXDOT IN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STATE, WHICH 79 IS THEIR ROAD. SO I KNOW THAT'S A HARD PROBABLY [01:45:01] QUESTION TO ANSWER 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA ANSWER. BUT I GUESS CAN YOU SPEAK TO, I GUESS YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH TXDOT ON THE 1 32 OVERPASS AND, AND HOW, HOW IT'S BEEN GOING, I GUESS THE KICKBACK BACK AND FORTH AND WELL OPTIONS OF CHANGING. YEAH, SO WADE BENTON WITH GARVER. UM, SO MAYBE TO STEP BACK A MINUTE FOR FROM THE DIRECT QUESTION YOU ASKED, UM, YOU KNOW, MATT MENTIONED THE GENESIS OF THE PROJECT REALLY WAS THIS IDEA THAT TO TO CREATE A NEW FM 1660, A NEW NORTH SOUTH ROUTE FROM CHANDLER DOWN TO 1660 DOWN IN BRUSHY CREEK, UM, TO TAKE SOME OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND DIRECT TRAFFIC OUT AT OLD TOWN. UM, AND THAT WAS IN 2010 I THINK IS WHEN THAT STARTED WITH THE COUNTY. UM, OUR INVOLVEMENT ON THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN USING, UTILIZING OR ALIGN WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, WHICH IS THIS 1 32 IS NOT GOING TO BE A CITY ROAD. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE A TXDOT FACILITY. AND, AND AS SUCH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WITH TXDOT, UM, AND DESIGN IT TO MEET TXDOT CRITERIA IN ADDITION TO CITY CRITERIA. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS, THIS IS A REGIONAL PROJECT. OKAY, IT'S A, IT'S, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ONE, UM, ELEVATED CROSSING OVER 79 AND AND THE RAILROAD AND THAT'S AT ONE 30, UM, EXA COUNTY OR BUILDING ONE AT 3 30, 3 49. UH, THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER ONE. UM, AND SO FROM A MOBILITY STANDPOINT, I MEAN THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT LINK TO ALL THAT. THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON A SEGMENT FROM LIMMER UP TO CHANDLER AND THEN FROM, UH, JUST SOUTH OF UH, 79 HERE DOWN TO 1660, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO DEDICATE OR IDENTIFY AND WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO, TO GET THAT RIGHT AWAY. SO IT'D BE A, IT'D BE A SIX LANE ARTERIAL SECTION THAT WAS MENTIONED. UH, AND THEY'RE DESIGNING THAT SEGMENT, THOSE SEGMENTS AS WELL, UM, TO MEET TEX CRITERIA. SO OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH TEX ON 79 SPECIFICALLY, UH, THEIR BIG CONCERN IS TRAFFIC ON 79 OBVIOUSLY, UM, AND SIGNAL SPACING. SO THROUGH HU RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A, WHAT, FOUR SIGNALS AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY FAIRLY CLOSELY SPACED. ALL THOSE SIGNALS HAVE SIGNAL PREEMPTION TIED TO THE RAILROAD. SO A TRAIN COMES THROUGH AND THE SIGNALS GET DISRUPTED ON ANY NORTH SOUTH TRAFFIC. REALLY THAT IS CHRIS KELLY AND I GUESS, UM, 1660 SOUTH AND JIM CAGE INTERSECTIONS. UM, SO THE TRAIN DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SIGNAL TIMING AND TRAFFIC FLOW ON 79. THIS IS A VERY HEAVY SEGMENT OF UP LINE, UH, HEAVILY TRAVELED. SO IT IS, IT IS AN IMPACT. SO TXDOT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THEM EARLY ON, UM, BASICALLY THEY SAID, HEY, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN INTERSECTION HERE AT AT 1 32, WHETHER IT'S ELEVATED OR AT GRADE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET MAYBE ONE MORE BETWEEN THERE AND 1660 TO GET THAT SPACING. UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER IN TERMS OF ANY DESIGN ANALYSIS. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOT A CORRIDOR STUDY THAT THEY'RE, UH, ABOUT TO INITIATE FOR 79. DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA SHOW, BUT THAT, UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THEY'VE INDICATED, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A SIX LANE SECTION. UM, DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY OUT. PROBABLY BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WEST OF ONE 30 IN ROUND ROCK. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR UH, DESIGN AND ANALYSIS HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON SAFETY TRAFFIC NUMBERS, NOT ONLY ON 79 BUT 1 32. AND HOW DO WE BEST ACCOMMODATE THOSE? SO, SO I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MATT AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. I GUESS IN RELATION TO EAST WILCO HIGHWAY, IS THAT THE CORRECT NAME? OKAY, SO WITH THAT BEING, HOW DOES THAT CONNECT TO 1660 TO THEN MOVE PEOPLE FROM 1660 TO 1 32? I'M JUST THINKING OF MO MOVEMENT AND HOW THAT AS LIKE A REGIONAL LOOK. LIKE, I KIND OF KNOW WHERE 33 49 IS OVER ON THE EAST, BUT I GUESS I GUESS WHAT, WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND THE PROJECT AND THE EAST WILCO [01:50:01] HIGHWAY BEING COMPLETED? THE SECOND, SECOND PHASE, SO PHASE TWO, THIS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HU ARTERIAL THE COUNTY? YEAH, YEAH. THE ARTERIAL THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE ON 1 32 TO GET THEM MO KEEP 'EM MOVING TO SAY CHANDLER. YEAH. SO COUNTY ROAD 1 32, UH, HU ARTERIAL, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UH, THAT WOULD GO DOWN AND IT WOULD TIE IN DIRECTLY TO 1660 SOUTH MM-HMM. . SO THAT IN THEORY WHEN IT'S ALL DONE, PEOPLE COMING WESTBOUND ON 1660 SOUTH COULD TAKE THIS AND GO ALL THE WAY UP TO CHANDLER ROAD. OKAY. AND THEN THEY COULD CONTINUE WESTBOUND ON CHANDLER. PEOPLE AT EASTBOUND ON CHANDLER COULD DO THE SAME THING AND GO SOUTHBOUND ON THIS AND THEN GO CONTINUE EASTBOUND ONTO 1660 SOUTH. UM, THE INTERSECTION WITH THIS ROAD, THE EAST WILCO HIGHWAY IN 1660 HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY AND MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW THEY DO THINGS IN THAT AREA. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, I, I NEED TO GET BACK TO YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY IF THIS ROAD ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO EAST WILCO HYATT. DON'T THINK IT DOES. I THINK IT JUST CONNECTS TO 1660 WITH, UH, OVERPASS WITH A BRIDGE BASICALLY KEEPING THE TWO DISCONNECTED TO SEPARATE. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I, I CAN VERIFY THAT I'VE GOT THE PLANS IN MY COMPUTER AND I CAN VERIFY IT AND GET BACK TO YOU. PERFECT. THANK YOU. UM, IF I CAN OFFER ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE TWICE TONIGHT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS ALL NECESSARY INFORMATION. UM, WADE MENTIONED HOW MANY SIGNALS WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND I THINK, UM, THE, THE MIDWAY GUYS AND, AND THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW THIS, I'M NOT DISPARAGING ANYBODY. UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF CO-OP HERE AT 79 AND HOW THAT'S NOT SIGNALED. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IS GOING TO BE SIGNALED. UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT WHEN WE INSTALLED ALL THAT WITH TXDOT. WE HAVE TO SEND PERIODIC UPDATES ON THE TRANSPORTATION NUMBERS TO TXDOT BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW THAT WARRANTS IT, TDOT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE DEVELOPER OF THE CO-OP GO PUT THOSE SIGNALS UP. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WADE SAID THERE WAS A NUMBER OF SIGNALS, WE'RE GONNA ADD ONE. AND THEN I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE MIDWAY GUYS EVEN KNEW THAT THERE WAS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE. WE JUST GOTTA GO PUT THE LIGHTS UP. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE'RE DEBATING ALL THIS, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. SO MATT, AT ONE 30, AT 1 32 IN THE INTERIM, THERE WILL BE A, A SIGNAL THERE. MM-HMM. ALWAYS LIKE GOING EAST, NORTH, SOUTH. CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE FROM TI BELIEVE TEXTILE IS TELLING US THAT IN, THEY'RE TARGETING JANUARY OF 26 TO HAVE THAT UP. AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE, LIKE I SAID, ON, ON TENSION CABLES. SO THEY'RE NOT PUTTING MASKED ARMS AND PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND ALL THE TYPICAL STUFF THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN ONE OF OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS. IT'S JUST GONNA BE POLES, TENSION WIRES, THE LIGHTS HANGING. AND ARE THEY SERVICE, CAN YOU SAY JANUARY OF 26, MATT? I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE TIMELINE. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD? YEAH, JANUARY OF 26. YES SIR. SO 18 MONTHS FROM NOW. AND 'CAUSE WITH OUR, WE COULD CUSTOMER THOMPSON STILL, STILL, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, AS A FLOOR, UM, ARE THEY SERVICING THOSE OR ARE WE TASKED WITH SERVICING THAT SIGNAL? YEAH, THEY WILL. THEY WILL. IT'S ON SYSTEM AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT UP. THEY WILL BE UNDER THEM TO MAINTAIN IT AND OPERATE IT AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE OBJECTION THAT UPR HAS IS JUST EXPANDING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT OBJECTING TO, UM, TDOT'S PLAN TO PUT A PERMANENT LIGHT IN THERE BY JANUARY OF 26TH. THEIR OBJECTION IS MAKING IT WIDER, EXPANDING IT KIND OF, IS THAT WHAT THE OBJECTION IS? UM, SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT UPRR IS AWARE THAT TEXTILE IS PUTTING A SIGNAL 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IMPACTING UPRR MM-HMM. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN I SENT THIS TO UPRR, IT WAS A VERY HIGH LEVEL, HERE'S A SCHEMATIC IDEA. WHAT'S THE GENERAL THOUGHT? SO WE HAVEN'T HAD IN DEPTH, AND I, I SHARED IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I SHARED IT WITH CHENEY. I SAID, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO UPRR, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO TEXTILE. I HAVEN'T GOT FEEDBACK FROM TEXTILE. HERE'S THE FIRST GLANCE WHAT THEY SAID, MAYOR IS CORRECT. TYPICALLY THAT CONSULTING FIRM IS GONNA SAY NO, NO MATTER WHAT YOU ASK FOR. AND I THINK THE MIDWAY GUYS ARE GONNA AGREE WITH ME. LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR RESPONSE. NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT. SO THEN WE GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S TALK THIS THROUGH. AND, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE DESIGN, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR FULL QUESTION. UM, THEY'RE PUSHING BACK ON [01:55:01] THE IDEA OF US WIDENING AN AT GRADE CROSSING THAT IS ALREADY SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC WITHOUT GIVING UP SOMETHING IN RETURN WHERE WE LAND ON HOW MANY GATED CROSSINGS AND HOW WE DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT IS TBD. BUT THEIR INITIAL PASS BASED ON ME SENDING THEM THIS PDF WAS NOPE. NOT UNLESS YOU'RE GIVING US THREE GATED CROSSINGS IN RETURN FOR IT. OKAY. DO YOU THINK THAT COULD CHANGE LIKE LEADERSHIP? I, I THINK THERE'S SOME NEGOTIATION THAT WE CAN DO WITH THEM. I THINK WE HAVE TO SELL OUR CASE AND COME UP WITH GOOD IDEAS AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRADE. MM-HMM. . SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S LIKE, OH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE UP THIS ONE OR THESE TWO RATHER THAN YOU, YOU GIVING US THREE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SAY WE GIVE UP THIS ONE, YOU GIVE US THAT ONE, AND THEN WE LAND ON SOMETHING IN THE IN BETWEEN. THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE IT, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE ENGINEER TALKING TO ANOTHER ENGINEER. THIS IS NOT HIGHER LEVEL PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED YET. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY COMMITTED RIGHT NOW THAT WE WILL CLOSE THAT ONE ON THE BANK SIDE? BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, MATT. I WANNA MAKE SURE SO WE DON'T LOSE LEVERAGE. WE NEED IT. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED TO CLOSING ANY OF OUR CROSSINGS WITH UPRR. I BELIEVE CHA UH, YEAH, CHANEY AMBO, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT ISSUE EXTENSIVELY BECAUSE, UM, THE PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OWNED LAND AT THE MEGASITE WAS CONSIDERED. THERE WERE NEVER ANY FORMAL DOCUMENTS BROUGHT FORTH TO AUTHORIZE THE CLOTHING CLOSINGS. SO THOSE HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE. THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN EXECUTED. SO THOSE ARE STILL OPEN TECHNICALLY. I GUESS CAN WE TALK WITH THE ISD ON LIKE WITH THE NINTH GRADE CENTER BEING BUILT OUT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, SOUTH TO GET TO THE HIGH SCHOOL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. RIGHT. THEY TYPICALLY PROBABLY USE GYM CAGE. RIGHT. OR THAT INTERSECTION WITH THAT RAILROAD CROSSING. SO I GUESS CAN, CAN WE TALK WITH THEM I GUESS, ON FUTURE ZONING? OBVIOUSLY THEY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, I THINK A A CLOSURE. A CLOSURE THERE. BUT I THINK THAT'S ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE VIABLE. BUT WE'D HAVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE ISD, UM, AND THAT, THOSE ARE JUST MY KIND OF PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS ON POSSIBILITIES. SURE. AND ASHLEY AND I HAVE A RECURRING MEETING WITH THE, UH, ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT AND HIS TEAM. MM-HMM. . WE CAN BRING IT UP AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. YEAH. SO IS THE ACTION TO GIVE IS THE ACTION TO CONSIDER THIS PLAN? THE, THE ASK OF CITY COUNCIL. AND I'M GONNA ASK ON BEHALF OF CHENEY AND MYSELF AND THE MIDWAY GUYS AND THE GARVER GUYS TO GIVE US SOME KIND OF GUIDANCE ON WHAT COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE IS ON WHICH DIRECTION WE DO WE NEED TO PAUSE WHAT GARVER ISS DOING AND VET OUT FURTHER THE PAP DAWSON STUFF. DO WE PAUSE EVERYTHING AND JUST LET SEE WHAT TEXTILES GONNA DO AND WAIT, DO, I MEAN REALLY WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FEEL OUT COUNSEL AND GET SOME KIND OF CLARITY ON WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO FROM HERE. THANK YOU, LAURA. I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT, UH, DAVID'S PLAN KIND OF THE SPECS FOR ALL OF THAT AND WHAT, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW DAVID, YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS JUST KIND OF SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD DRAFTED UP. BUT I MEAN, I'D BE INTERESTED TO HAVE MATT LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL AND KIND OF GET A COST ESTIMATE. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, FUTURISTIC, UM, YOU KNOW, TIMEFRAME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, ALL THE NUANCES THAT WENT INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR DRAFT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I'M, I'M HAPPY. YEAH. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND. I, I GUESS I'M JUST VOICING THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT AND UH, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE EDC HAD CONSIDERED IN OUR MEETING AS WELL. AND SO I THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK I VOICED IT THERE IN THE MEETING THAT [02:00:01] I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. AND SO I STILL STAND ON THAT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF MOCKED OUT, SPECKED OUT, UM, AND GET ALL THE NUANCES FOR THAT AND, UH, UH, SEE THAT BROUGHT BACK. SO IS THAT A MOTION? I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THINK? WELL, MY THOUGHT IS, I, I MEAN, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING LIKE OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS IF WE JUST ALLOW THE CURRENT DESIGN TO KEEP PROGRESSING, UM, WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO STOP THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER PLAN. AND I MEAN, THAT, THAT DELAYS THE WHOLE THING. I THINK THERE'S POTENTIALLY A WINDOW WHERE THAT DESIGN KEEPS WORKING, BUT YOU GO AND YOU TALK TO THE RAILROAD AND YOU TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH AS FAR AS SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE MIDWAY PROPOSAL AND, AND THEN HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VIABLE DECISION POINT OF, WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO, TO MAKE A DEAL ON THE, WITH THE RAILROAD AND SWITCH TO A PROJECT THAT IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE TO GET APPROVED VERSUS ONE THAT WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET IT APPROVED TODAY. UM, UH, THERE'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER. THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NOT A GREAT ANSWER HERE TODAY, BUT WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION AND IT'S GONNA TAKE MONTHS TO GET THERE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE A, A, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEK THING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS I DON'T WANT TO PAUSE, BUT I ALSO KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING AND WHAT OUR RUN RATE IS ON THAT AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF WE PAUSE TODAY AND PICK UP AGAIN IN SIX MONTHS VERSUS WE LET IT GO FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN WE PAUSE AND HOW MUCH DID WE RUN UP IN THAT MEANTIME? SO THAT ANSWER I'D KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR. YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, UH, WORK WITH GARVER AND LOOK AT WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS IS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER ON THEIR CONTRACT AND COME BACK WITH YOU, GET THE, GET THAT BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD SPEND OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEN I'M, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH, WITH, UH, DAVID AND, AND HIS TEAM AND, AND THE PAP DAWSON TEAM TO SEE IF THEY CAN GIVE ME A LITTLE, LITTLE DEEPER VIEW OF THE SCHEMATIC SO THAT I CAN SHARE IT WITH THE BENESH TEAM AT UPRR AND START HAVING THOSE MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATIONS. YEAH, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THIS PROJECT IS, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER EVEN WITH, EVEN IF WE BUILT THE OVERPASS, IT'D BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER, BUT HOW MUCH WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUT ALSO IT HAS THE OPTION OF WHEN YOU BUILD THE OVERPASS, WHICH IS, IS A DIFFERENT PART OF IT. BUT YEAH, I, I, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE COMMIT TO A DIRECTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THAT OPTION OPEN AND TRY TO FIND A WAY TO SEE HOW VIABLE THAT PATH IS. OKAY. AND, AND LET ME SAY, YOU KNOW, TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT HERE DRUMMING BUSINESS FOR P DAWSON . I DON'T OWN ANY PART OF PEYTON DAWSON . THIS WAS, THIS WAS MY DESIGN CONCEPT. I ONLY ASKED THEM TO PUT IT IN A MORE OF A PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DONE DESIGN ENGINEERING FOR 44 YEARS. UM, BUT I KNOW IT WORKS. I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER PLACES. AND SO IT WAS JUST AN IDEA THAT WE THOUGHT BETTER SERVE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. WELL, I THINK SOMEONE, THERE'S GOTTA BE A DIRECTION THAT'S GOTTA BE GIVEN OUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF WE LEAVE HERE WITH NO ACTION, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE STAFF CONTINUES ON THE WAY. THESE GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEIR MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING'S OVER IN LIKE THREE WEEKS AND $3,000 A DAY, $200,000 A MONTH IS SPENT WHILE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO. SO, I MEAN, TO ME, YEAH, FOR ME, THIS IS A REALLY HARD DECISION. BUT I, WITH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON ON KIND OF STAYING THE COURSE WITH OUR, UH, WITH THE WORK GARVER IS DOING AND DESIGNING WHERE WE'RE AT. UM, UM, I, I DO FORESEE SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH UPRR AND THEN ALSO TECH DOT. UM, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO HAVE MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO KIND OF POKE AND SEE IF YOU CAN PICK AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET THEM TO, TO MAYBE BUDGE ON SOME THINGS. BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, OR I SUSPECT THAT, UH, UPRR WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO DEAL WITH IN THIS SCENARIO, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, TO THE PROJECT AS WELL, JUST BEING REALISTIC. UM, SO, UM, I GUESS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR, UH, GARVER TO CONTINUE WITH ENGINEER OR WITH DESIGN AND TO DIRECT STAFF, UM, UH, MATT AND CHENEY TO CONNECT WITH UPRR AND TECH PARTNERS AND THE [02:05:01] COUNTY IF NEEDED, UM, ON POTENTIAL CHANGES AND TO OBVIOUSLY LOOP IN, UM, THE DEVELOPER IN ANY CONVERSATIONS AS NEEDED SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING. ALRIGHT. QUESTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR TO CONTINUE BRIDGE AS PLANNED. COUNCILMAN KOHLER, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO INVESTIGATE THE PROPOSAL BY MIDWAY ON THEIR, JUST TO GET THE SPECS ON WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD COST, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION? I MEAN, I THINK ANY INFORMATION IS ANY AND ALL INFORMATION IS WORTHWHILE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE A COST TO THE CITY OR TO THE DEVELOP. I'M NOT QUITE SURE, I GUESS WHOSE ARENA THAT MAY BE. WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN OUR WORKUP ON OUR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE IT, IT'S OKAY. IT'S ACCEPTABLE. YEAH. PERFECT. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ACCEPT IT THEN IF, THANK YOU, DEAN. SO THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THE BRIDGES PLAN, HAVE STUFF, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH UP, AND COME UP WITH COSTS ON MIDWAY DESIGN, IS THAT RIGHT? CONVERSATION WITH UP, UM, TDOT AND THE COUNTY. IF THE COUNTY IF NEEDED, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND ADD THE COUNTY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING DO ONE AND THEN INVESTIGATE TWO THE WHAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT WHAT IT IS? STAY THE COURSE. YEAH. OKAY. , I DO IT A SECOND. SECOND. AND I DO, I, I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, T DOT WILLING TO PUT THE TEMPORARY, UM, LIGHT UP. OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE JANUARY, 2026 BEFORE THE RESIDENTS THERE IN THE SOUTH ARE GONNA GET SOME SAFETY TO GET TO SCHOOL AND WORK AND LIFE. BUT I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. YEAH. AND THANK YOU TO, THANK YOU MATT, FOR INVESTIGATING THAT AND FOR ANY OTHER PARTNERS THAT WERE ABLE TO COME IN ON THAT. I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG RELIEF TO THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S TAKING THEIR KIDS TO LIKE FARLEY OR GOING TO HU ELEMENTARY OR ANY OTHER TRAVELS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING ACROSS 79. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD FATALITIES THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HEAR A NUMBER OF STORIES, UM, CROSSING 79 RIGHT THERE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FIGURING OUT AN ALTERNATIVE. UM, IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE FIGURED THIS SITUATION OUT, COUNCILMAN CLARK, I THINK YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD. WELL, LAUREN, HAS IT BEEN SECONDED YET? YES. OKAY. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING THROUGH AND GOING DOWN TWO PATHS REALLY IS NOT MAKING A DECISION. UM, SO I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT. UM, I WOULD SAY IF WE CAN, WE'RE AT 60% DESIGN, SO HOLDING OFF AND NOT STAYING ANOTHER $300,000 TO WHAT SELL WAS LIKE FROM THIS, I'VE SEEN FROM THE PROPOSAL TO WHERE WE WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS. UM, IT'S LIKE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. WE GET DEDICATED TWO LANES GOING NORTH, SOUTH, UNINTERRUPTED ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK, AND YOU GET FULL ACCESS ON 79 AND THE ABILITY TO BE RETAIL IF THAT CAN BE AGREED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D EVEN CONTINUE DESIGNING AND WASTE ANOTHER $300,000 WE'D THROW AWAY. UM, SO IN THAT CASE I WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE AT 60% AND PUT IT ON HOLD TILL WE GET AN ANSWER. AND, AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO GO FORWARD, AND THAT'S $300,000 THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND TOWARDS THE DESIGN OF THE NEW PROPOSAL. IF, IF TEX STOCK AND UPRR CAN DO IT, IF NOT, WE'RE ALREADY AT 6% DESIGN. THE ONLY TIME WE LOST IS THE ABILITY TO GO TO THIS. BUT AS MIDWAY'S ALREADY SAID, WE CONTINUE WITH WANT, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA PULL OUT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT BIG BOX RETAIL AND EVERYTHING GOING THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE SPEND $300,000 MORE. YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR THROWS OUT A NUMBER OF 200,000 A MONTH. IT'S 90,000 A MONTH, NOT 200,000. UM, BUT STILL YOU COULD, IT IS $300,000 TO GO DOWN TO DESIGN. THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE DESIGN WE WANT TO HAVE. SO WHY, WHY DOUBLE DOWN ON A PAD DESIGN WHEN WE, IF WE CAN GET THIS OTHER ONE WOULD BE BETTER. SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE STOP AT 60% AND THEN IF GARBER TOOK OUR CONTRACT AND HE MAYBE, MAYBE, UM, UH, MATT COULD TALK ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO GET THE APPROVAL FROM TEXT UPRR, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, HEY GAR, WE'RE GONNA STOP AT 6%. AND THEN IF WE GET THIS WORKED OUT AND WE'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE YOUR CONTRACT, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO DO A NEW AGREEMENT, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT 300,000 YOU ALREADY PROMISED WAS 900, [02:10:01] WELL 300,000 OF IT'LL GO TOWARDS THE SOON DESIGN AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME UP WITH EXTRA MONEY. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 300,000 TO DESIGN. AND IF THEY GO, HEY, IF T DOT SAYS NO AND UPRR SAYS NO, THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOTTA CONTINUE WITH THE STAYING THE COURSE. WELL THEN WE ARE 300,000 ALREADY ALLOCATED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AS IS AT 60%. WE JUST PICK IT UP AND AT THAT POINT, WAY'S NOT GONNA AGREE TO WITH THE BIG BOX THING AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA MOVE ON OR WHOEVER. AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. BUT IT'S ALSO NOT BEING MENTIONED IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, HOLISTICALLY WHEN THE MAYOR THROWS UP NUMBERS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PAID ON PARTICULAR LAND, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT THE COUNCILS TALK ABOUT. THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION'S BUDGET. UM, THEY HAVE OTHER LAND DEALS THAT ARE PAYING THEM MONEY THAT COVERS THE INTEREST CARRYING COST OF THAT LOAN. SO YOU THROW OUT A NUMBER, BUT THEN YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ALSO HAVE A DEAL ON THE OTHER THAT'S COVERING THAT COST UNTIL THEY MAKE ANOTHER LAND SALE ON A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EDC IN EVERYTHING THEY OWN, IN HOLISTIC NUMBER IN THEIR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE. AND JUST THROWING OUT ONE PIECE OF NUMBER TO RUSH SOMETHING ISN'T REALLY EVEN DOING SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE FINANCES OF THE EDC. UM, BUT I KEEP HEARING IT AND THE WRONG NUMBERS, LIKE 200,000 MEANS 90. UM, AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S PAYING BASICALLY THE CARRYING COSTS. SO RIGHT NOW EDC IS FUNDED ON THAT, AND IF THEY GET THAT LAND SALE, THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PAY OFF THAT LOAN. SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELL THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY JUST HAVE TO SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER LAND THEY'VE GOT THE, THE MEGA SITE LAND THAT THEY COULD SELL AND PAY OFF THIS LOAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TIE IT TO THIS PROPERTY HAS TO SELL TO THE MEN, MAKE MONEY ON IT. UM, SO ANYWAYS, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF THINKING. SO I DEFINITELY BE VOTING NO ON THIS PROPOSAL. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WAS THERE AN AMENDMENT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE TO THE MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT WE CHANGE THE COURSE AND, AND THEN MATT FIGURES OUT IF, IF WE HAVE TO USE GOLF HARBOR FOR THAT CHANGE COURSE NUMBER SO WE DON'T THEN BREACH A CONTRACT WITH THEM, THEN WE KIND OF WORK WITH HIM ON THAT. OR WE CAN PUT IT ON HOLD AND NOT WASTE THAT $300,000 AND WE COULD USE IT FOR THE BETTER DESIGN. SO WHAT'S YOUR AMENDMENT FOR THE MOTION? WHAT'S YOUR MOTION HERE TO AMEND THAT? WE SUSPEND, WE POSTPONE, UH, WE SUSPEND THE GOING FURTHER THAN THE 60% DESIGN AND WE REALLOCATE THE FEASIBILITY FOR OPTION TWO. ALL RIGHT. SO MOTION TO SUSPEND THE GARVER PROJECT AND TO WORK WITH TEXT OUT AND UPR TO ADOPT AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN DONE BY MIDWAY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO I'LL SECOND THAT SO WE CAN DISCUSS, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF WHY I BROUGHT UP WHAT THE EXPENSE IS. I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU GET THAT. IT'S 300,000. IF IT'S 300,000 THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. UM, IT IS 300,000. IT'S 640% TO DATE, IT'S 984,000 FOR THE PROJECT, FOR THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE. SO THAT'S ABOUT $300,000 MORE. OKAY. SO, BUT I THINK THEY, THEY'VE DONE WORK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE PAID THEM FOR ALL THE WORK. SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE PAUSED. THAT WAS WHY I WANTED TO, TO CHECK THAT NUMBER. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT WAS IN THERE. UM, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY TO BE SPENDING, BUT THERE IS THE, THE BALANCE OF SPENDING THE MONEY VERSUS THE DELAY IF YOU END UP GOING BACK TO IT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT COSTS AS FAR AS THE EXPENSE TO THE EDC, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I ALSO DON'T BANK ON LAND SALES BECAUSE, UM, UNTIL THEY CLOSE, THEY'RE NOT CLOSED. AND WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT DRIVEN BY A LARGE COMPANY NEXT DOOR THAT IS NOT ON TRACK WITH ANY OF THE TIMELINES THAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN EXPECTED TO BE ON, THEN THOSE LANDFILLS MAY DELAY AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT'S A HARD THING TO BANK ON UNTIL THE MONEY'S COLLECTED. SO, OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? YEAH, FOR ME, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN CONTINUING WITH OPTION ONE. I MEAN, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND, AND FROM WHAT I'M FEELING HERE, IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF THE, THE CURRENT DESIGN, IT'S GONNA REALLY HUGELY NEGATIVE, NEGATIVELY AFFECT THAT LAND, THE LAND VALUE WHO WE CAN GET THERE. UM, TO ME, DEVELOPING THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES RIGHT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN STICKING WITH THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF STARTED DOWN THE PATH OF, I THINK THAT IT IS SUNK COST. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON THAT, ON THAT BRIDGE SO FAR. BUT IF WE CAN GET TO A BETTER DESIGN THAT MAKES THE LAND WORK BETTER AND THAT IT'S OVERALL CHEAPER ANYWAY, THEN WE JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE, THE MONEY THAT WE'VE SPENT AND NOT LET THAT FOR ME KIND OF CLOUD MY JUDGMENT AND GO DOWN. AND I WOULD RATHER KIND OF PUT OUR RESOURCES ON WORKING WITH UPRR TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK, GETTING IT FIGURED OUT. BECAUSE EVEN IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT, I STILL DON'T SEE MYSELF VOTING FOR THIS, THIS BRIDGE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO [02:15:01] THE LAND BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO THE, TO THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES COULD BE. AND SO IF YOU KNOW, OPTION TWO DOESN'T WORK OUT, THEN MAYBE WE GO TO OPTION THREE OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE. BUT FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I I, I THINK THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES, TO ME, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT, MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PLAN IS FOR THIS INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL. MR. MAYOR, CAN I WITHDRAW MY, MY SECOND ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION? I HONESTLY DUNNO HOW THAT WORKS. WE'RE AN AMENDMENT WITH A SECOND. WE CAN'T WITHDRAW THE ORIGINAL MOTION. CAN WE ? I THOUGHT YOU WERE NOT THE SECOND ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL. HE WAS, I WAS THE SECOND ON, ON THE ORIGINAL. NO, I'M SORRY. I TOLD YOU THE WRONG THING. OH, OKAY. DID, YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT. UM, AND YEAH, MY MATH IS WRONG, 3000 TIMES, 30, 90,000. UM, BUT FOR ME, THE IMPORTANCE OF COTTONWOOD DEVELOPING IS THAT EVERY DOLLAR SPENT IN CARRY COSTS IS A DOLLAR NOT SPENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE EDC IS BY LAW ABLE TO SPEND. AND SO I DON'T CARE IF THEY HAVE A HUNDRED LAND DEALS TO PROVIDE INCOME TO PAY FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A DAY OR A MONTH OR WHATEVER, AND MONEY NOT BEING SPENT, MONEY SPENT NOT BENEFITING THE TAXPAYER IS MONEY NOT SPENT WELL? AND THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME, AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF CARRY COSTS AND DEAL THINGS, BUT WE'RE WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING AND, UM, TO ME THAT LAND IS MORE IMPORTANT, NOT JUST FROM, TO GET IT OFF THE BOOKS AT EDC, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FROM A SERVICES STANDPOINT. WE NEED A GROCERY STORE ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. IF YOU DON'T DO IT HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU DO IT. YOU'RE ALMOST IN TAYLOR AT THIS POINT. AND THERE'S SERVICES THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED. THERE'S SALES TAX THAT CAN BE PROVIDED. AND SO THE BENEFITS, AND I'M WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM, I HAVEN'T BEEN A PROPONENT OF THE BRIDGE SINCE I GOT ON COUNCIL IN 2019. AND SO I DON'T SEE MYSELF VOTING FOR IT EVER. AND THE COUNCIL MAY CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THAT WAY, AND I DON'T THINK THESE GUYS WILL DROP IT AS COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, CLARK SUGGESTED, I THINK THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD BIG BOX RETAIL AND THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA SAY WE DON'T LIKE, BUT WE'RE NOT THE PROFESSIONALS IN DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE. AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY IT'S GONNA BE A 240 ACRE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEAL, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU BUILD AN OVERPASS LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, YEAH, SO I'M COMPLETELY OKAY. UM, POSTPONING, I DO THINK IT, IT'S SAD WE SPENT THAT MONEY, BUT ALSO IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND, 90,000 SOME MONTHS, $93,000 A MONTH, UM, THAT'S BEING SPENT ON A PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA GET DONE AND THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO. AND SO THAT POINT, YOU SPENT 500 IN BULLET, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SAVED MILLIONS. UM, BUT SO I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO SWITCH COURSE, BUT I THINK SOMEONE SAID, UH, SOMETIMES GOVERNMENT'S GOTTA REEVALUATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THE LAST THING I'D SAY IS I'M NOT KNOCKING WEIGHT AT GARVER FOR DESIGNING A SAFE BRIDGE. OKAY? IF YOU TASK SOMEONE, BUILD A BRIDGE FOR SAFETY, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A BRIDGE FOR SAFETY. IF YOU TASK THESE GUYS WITH, HEY, BUILD A BRIDGE THAT HELPS YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BRIDGE. AND THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT FOR WHAT THEY SERVED. WHAT I'M CRITICIZING EVERYBODY FOR IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE COMBINE THE SAFETY OF THINGS AND A DEVELOPER IN THE CONVERSATION SO THAT THE NEXT TIME WE DESIGN, DECIDE TO DESIGN A MILLION DOLLAR BRIDGE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE VIABILITY OF THE LAND ONCE IT'S DONE ALONG WITH THE SAFETY. 'CAUSE IF YOU JUST GO SAFETY, TXDOT DOESN'T WANT ANY ACCESS POINTS ON 79 AND THE RAILROAD WANTS TO CLOSE DOWN EVERY ENTRANCE, WELL OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T WORK. SO WE HAVE TO BE WORKING TOGETHER, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE DID IN THE PAST. WE JUST SAID, GO DESIGN US A BRIDGE AND OUT COMES A BRIDGE THAT IS THE MOST SAFE THING YOU CAN BUILD, I WOULD SAY. BUT FROM A VIABILITY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TEXTILE LEAVING TELL YOU, THEY'RE NOT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS. THEY'RE IN A SAFETY MODEL. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE ARGUMENTS AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE BACK AND FORTH, IS BECAUSE WE NEED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SAFETY. AND THESE GUYS ONLY WANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TXDOT ONLY WANTS SAFETY. AND SO OUR JOB'S TO KIND OF FORCE EVERYBODY TO TALK. SO ANYWAY, YEAH, I GUESS FOR ME, UH, I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO MAXIMIZE, MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY. UM, I I, I DO FEEL LIKE I LIKE HAVING OPTIONS, UM, AND SOME OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO CHANGE AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING. BUT I FEEL WE DO HAVE, THE CITY DOES HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. UM, AND THAT WILL ONLY DELAY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY EVEN MORE UNFORTUNATELY. THIS IS JUST HOW, HOW I FORESEE THIS GOING ON JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN [02:20:01] UPRR AND TDOT, THEY ARE, UH, EVERYBODY HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT THE CURRENT CHANGING COURSE TO, UH, POTENTIALLY CHANGE IT. UH, WE MAY HAVE TWO PLAYERS THAT DON'T HAVE A SEAT AT AT THE, IT'LL, IT'LL JUST BE THE CITY OF HU AND THE TAXPAYERS OF HU THAT, THAT WILL DO THAT. UM, UM, I MEAN I KNOW THAT THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL ON THIS, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, BUT I JUST, THERE, I FEEL LIKE STOPPING SOMETHING THAT ALREADY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, PLAYERS AT THE TABLE, UH, FOR A BRIGHT SHINY PENNY THAT WE ALL WANT, UM, IS GOING TO DELAY IT EVEN D DELAY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY OF THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTY. UM, SO, UM, YEAH. I WON'T BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT. ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. AND THIS IS TO POSTPONE THE PROJECT NUMBER FOUR AND TO DO NUMBER TWO, CHANGE COURSE AND TRY TO WORK WITH TDOT AND UPRR TO ADOPT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN DONE BY MIDWAY MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOHLER NAY. MOTION PASSES FIVE ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS. NOW THE OVERALL ITEM IS THE EXACT SAME THING. WE HAVE TO VOTE TWICE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU VOTE AGAINST THE MOTION AS AMENDED BY YOUR AMENDMENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO NOW THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS NUMBER FOUR, POSTPONE THE PROJECT. NUMBER TWO, CHANGE COURSE. TRY TO WORK WITH TXDOT AND UPRR TO ADOPT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN DONE BY MIDWAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION? NO, THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS NOW THE AMENDED MOTION IS, OKAY. GOTCHA. YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS COUNCILOR CALLER BRINGS UP SOME GOOD POINTS. IT'S A REGIONAL PROJECT. TWO PEOPLE WON'T BE AT THE TABLE, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, WHEN YOU COME TO THE TABLE AND YOU'RE TALKING, THIS IS HOW I RUN STUFF. IF, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ME TO DO STUFF AND SPEND MY MONEY, I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEND SOME OF YOUR MONEY TOO. OTHERWISE, YOUR INPUT KINDA LIKE WHAT I SAID WITH THOSE GUYS, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOUR OPINION. I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE UNDER CONTRACT. WELL, IT'S GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO TELL US HOW TO BUILD A BRIDGE, BUT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO IT. THEY'RE JUST TELLING US HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY. AND I THINK ONE OF COMMENTS IS, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE ENGINEERS AND THE TAXPAYER AT THE TABLE. AND GOD WILLING, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, IS THE TAXPAYERS ARE PUT AHEAD OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND IF TEXDOT WANTS TO COME IN AND SPEND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON A BRIDGE, THEN BY ALL MEANS THESE GUYS MAY BE BUILDING APARTMENTS THERE. BUT SINCE WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY, THEN I THINK OUR TAXPAYERS OUGHT TO COME FIRST. AND MAYBE THE COUNTY CAN PONY UP SOME MONEY AND THEY CAN COME IN AND WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO ADVICE, UM, ADVISEMENT. BUT WITHOUT THAT IT'S JUST PEOPLE TALKING AND TELLING US HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY AND DO THINGS. AND IN OTHER CITIES, TDO SPENDS MONEY IN OTHER CITIES. THE COUNTY SPEND SUBSTANTIAL MONEY IN OTHER CITIES. AND I HAVE YET TO SEE THAT IN FIVE YEARS, SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY, UM, UNLESS ELECTED BY THE VOTERS TO DO IT ON A BOND PACKAGE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, I KNOW THAT RUBS PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY. BUT YEAH, TO, TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE MAYOR HAS, HAS MADE, UM, WITH THE COUNTY, WE CAN APPROACH THEM. WE CAN ASK THEM TO PUT, PUT THIS PROJECT AS A POTENTIAL BOND PROJECT, UM, WITH COST PARTICIPATION. UM, I'M PRETTY SURE NO ONE ON THE CITY COUNCIL OR IN THE CITY, CITY STAFF HAS APPROACHED THE COUNTY, UH, IN THAT, UM, IN, IN THAT LIGHT ALSO, UH, AS FAR AS TECH DOT STATE DOLLARS GO, I, I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER CAN TALK TO THIS, BUT MAYBE SOME CAMPO MONEY OR, UH, SOME KIND OF ASSISTANCE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GOING TO PAY, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT OR EVEN 75% OR MAYBE NOT EVEN 60% OF THE COST. BUT IT IS A COST PARTICIPATION WITH OTHER PLAYERS, UM, UH, FOR, FOR THE PROJECT. SO THEN SOLELY THIS, THIS, IF WE SWITCH GEARS AND WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING OUR DESIGN, IF WE SWITCH GEARS, THEN IT WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE HU TAXPAYERS. IT'S LIKE TENNIS. I SEE YOU GOING BACK AND FORTH. QUICK QUESTION. THE LAST BOND PACKAGE THAT THE COUNTY VOTERS VOTED FOR AND PASSED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME HOW MANY PROJECTS YOU PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY, BUT HOW MANY DID THEY ACCEPT AND PUT ON THE MEASURE THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY APPROVED? THAT'S FOR HUDA. UH, WE SUBMITTED THREE ROAD PROJECTS AND I BELIEVE ONE PART PROJECT AND IT PASSED THE FIRST PASS OF THE REVIEWS, [02:25:01] BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE FINAL PACKAGE. SO NONE OF OUR PROJECTS MADE IT TO THE ROAD BOND PACKAGE. BUT YOU DID SUBMIT THREE ROAD AND ONE PARK, CORRECT. AND THIS, THIS ARTERIAL WAS ONE OF THE ROAD HOT PACKAGES THAT WE SUBMITTED AND, AND I PRESENTED ON IT WHEN THEY HAD THEIR, UH, PRESENTATIONS OVER IN THE, UH, OVER IN TAYLOR. I WAS THERE REPRESENTING THE CITY. I REMEMBER HE WENT THAT'S, YEAH, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T GET DONE ON THE FIRST TRY. YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRYING. AND THEN THE OTHER THING JUST, JUST FOR, SINCE WE'RE CLARIFYING, UH, I HAVE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY 'CAUSE WE JUST, THE COUNTY JUST SUBMITTED THE UPDATES TO THE STATE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE, WHAT IS IT? RE THE STIP. UM, AND SO THAT'S THE 2050 VERSION OF THE STEP. AND UM, WHEN THE COUNTY SUBMITTED, I ASKED THEM TO SEND ME ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTING AND I DID GET THEM TO UPDATE THEIR SUBMITTAL. UM, WE DIDN'T GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS IN TIME FOR, FOR US TO BE PARTNERS WITH THEM, BUT THEY DID SUBMIT THE HU ARTERIAL TO THE STATE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND I GOT THEM TO UPDATE IT SO THAT IT IS NOT JUST A TRAFFIC CONGESTION PROJECT, IT IS ALSO A SAFETY PROJECT. SO NOW IT'S IN BOTH. AND SO THAT ACTUALLY IMPROVES OUR RUNNING, SO TO SPEAK, OF THE BEING ABLE TO POTENTIALLY GET STATE FUNDING. WILL IT BE BUILT BY THE TIME WE GET FUNDING POTENTIALLY, UH, IF IF WE CONTINUE FORWARD MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE BUILT WITH THE BRIDGE BEFORE? YES, THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO HOW THEY CAMPO SELECTS THE PROJECTS AND SENDS OUT THEIR FUNDS. MAYOR FOR, BUT THE ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTING IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING OBLIGATING THAT. SO YOU COULD WAIT UNTIL YOUR OPPORTUNITY COMES AROUND. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FORWARD AND SPEND THE MONEY. YEAH. JUST EVENTUALLY THESE GUYS STILL NEED ACCESS OFF 1 32. A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE. YEAH, I JUST, SO, I MEAN, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I WORKED FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE DID THAT A LOT WHERE WE WOULD DESIGN A PROJECT AND THEN PUT IT UP ON THE SHELF. AND THEN WHEN CONGRESS CUT A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL OF OUR WORK GOT DONE AND WE STARTED OVER WITH DESIGNING A BUNCH OF THINGS AND PUTTING IT ON THE SHELF AND WAITING FOR CONGRESS TO CUT US A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY. LIKE IF, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER BACK WHEN, UM, WE HAD THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY PACKAGES UNDER, UH, PRESIDENT BUSH AND OBAMA, WE WERE BUSY 'CAUSE WE WERE BUILDING EVERYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE HAD WANTED TO BUILD FOR YEARS AND THEN STARTED REDESIGNING THINGS SO THAT WHEN FUTURE CHUNKS OF MONEY CAME FORWARD. SO WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT WHERE WE DESIGN IT AND THEN WE JUST WAIT UNTIL, YEAH, SOME FUNDING COMES AVAILABLE. SO I GUESS GOING BACK TO NUMBER, UH, FIVE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE CORD, KEEPING EVERYTHING ACCURATE, NO BRIDGE, NO, NO NOTHING. BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING PERMANENT THAT INCREASES SAFETY AND, UH, MOBILITY FOR RESIDENTS KIND OF MOVING BACK AND FORTH A ACROSS 79, JUST KIND OF KEEPING IT SIMPLE, PLAIN JANE AND HAVING THAT DESIGN SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE DEVELOPERS OF COTTONWOOD COULD KIND OF KEEP GOING. OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU'D HAVE YOUR TWO NEW ACCESS POINTS. UM, AND THEN, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE HOW, HOW IT IS CURRENTLY JUST EVERYTHING ON, ON THE GROUND. BUT WE WOULD HAVE THIS OVERPASS DESIGN ALREADY AND SAY IN FIVE YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THE COUNTY ON BOARD. WE CAN HAVE THE STATE BEING LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BOOMING PART OF, OF, YOU KNOW, EAST WILLIAMSON COUNTY, UM, BAM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DESIGN AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT. I, UM, DESIGN, LET'S DO IT. I MEAN, IT MAY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, TWEAKED. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS IN THE ENGINEERING WORLD, BUT TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ALREADY ON THE PRO UH, PROPERTY, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM THERE AT LEAST WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A 60, YOU KNOW, 60, 75 OR EVEN 90% I GUESS. 'CAUSE YOU GET TO 90%, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT THE 90%. AND SO IT MIGHT EVEN BE WORTHWHILE TO DO THAT JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING FLAT ON THE, ON THE GROUND. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT NUMBER TWO DOES, BECAUSE NUMBER TWO DOES THAT. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. NUMBER TWO DOES THAT BECAUSE WE CAN DESIGN THE OVERPASS, BUT WE HAVE THE GRADE, THE GRADE LEVEL SETTING AND WE CAN BUILD ALL OF THE AT GRADE STUFF AND THEN NOT BUILD THE OVERPASS AND THEN TRY TO LINE UP ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR POTENTIAL FUNDING PARTNERS TO GET THAT BUILT A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AND WHEN DEMAND IS THERE TO, TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE AT THAT POINT. CAN, CAN WE CALL THE VOTE? 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE THE FALL AND FALL MOTION AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO ARGUE TO CHANGE IT AGAIN. SO CAN WE CALL THE VOTE? I DID NOT PROPOSE [02:30:01] ANY CHANGES. UH, COUNCILOR CLARK, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH BEING ON TEAMS, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE HAVING IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION. UM, SO I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY. COUNCILOR THORNTON, I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILOR THOMPSON WANTS TO SPEAK AND I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET, HAVE YOU? I DON'T NEED TO. I I SAID WHAT I NEED. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION THOUGH, MR. MAYOR? IT'S TO, UH, POST NUMBER FOUR, POSTPONE THE PROJECT, AND NUMBER TWO, CHANGE COURSE AND TRY TO WORK WITH TEX OUT AND UPRR TO ADOPT THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN DONE BY MIDWAY. ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. LOST TRACK WAS THAT SIX? MOTION PASSES. FIVE ONE. UH, WE DEBATED THAT ONE. THAT [10.2. Consideration and possible action relating to requirements for persons residing in the Exterritorial Jurisdiction or non-US Citizens, (Resident or Non-Resident Aliens) or foreign nationals to serve on some boards and/or commissions if allowed by law. (Mayor Pro Tern Gordon).] BRINGS US UP TO ITEM 10. TWO CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO REQUIREMENTS FOR PERSONS RESIDING IN EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION ARE NON-US CITIZENS, RESIDENT OR NON-RESIDENT ALIENS OR FOREIGN NATIONALS TO SERVE ON SOME BOARDS AND OR COMMISSIONS IF ALLOWED BY LAW. AND WE HAVE A CITIZEN COMMENT ON THIS. UH, BEATRICE BOCANEGRA. HI, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS BEATRICE GRA. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE BE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN ORDER ORDER TO SERVE IN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL PUT YOUR HEADS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS TO VERIFY RESIDENCY. IN THE SPIRIT OF HONORING TODAY'S PROCLAMATION, I ASK, WE OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MIND ENOUGH TO EMBRACE ALL HOW RESIDENTS WHO WISH TO SERVE OUR CITY. I, MYSELF, DID NOT BECOME ELIGIBLE TO SERVE UNTIL 2016 WHEN I, UH, AND I PURCHASED MY HOME HERE IN 2007. CONTRIBUTIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE NOT TO INCLUDE PERMANENT RESIDENTS, SO KNOW THAT THESE NUMBERS WOULD BE EVEN LARGER. 8.5 BILLION. AND THAT'S B WITH, THAT'S WITH A B, B FOR BRAVOS STATE AND LOCAL TAXES, 5 MILLION HEALTHCARE WORKERS. UM, ANY SEN UH, WORKERS IN OTHER ESSENTIAL INDUSTRIES. OUR LABOR FORCE IS MADE UP BY 10%. SELF-EMPLOYED UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS. UM, THEY CONTRIBUTE TO CONSUMER SPENDING TAX CONTRIBUTIONS OF APPROXIMATELY $27 BILLION WITH BS AND BRAVO 12 BILLION, ALSO WITH A BS AND BRAVO SOCIAL SECURITY CONTRIBUTIONS, CONTRIBUTIONS TO AGRICULTURE AS 24% OF FARM WORKERS ARE UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLIC SERVICES, AND MORE UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS CONTRIBUTE AND LIVE IN HURO. LET'S NOT LEAVE THEM BEHIND. REMEMBER THAT BEING KIND AND INCLUSIVE IS FREE AND A GOOD THING. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. MAYOR GORDON. BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR ITEM, OR MAYOR PERAM GORDON. YEAH, SO I HAD ASKED, UH, SO THIS KIND OF CAME UP, UM, UH, PROBABLY A FEW MONTHS AGO BACK WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING CHANGING THE NAME OF THE DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION COMMISSION TO DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BELONGING. UM, AND IT REALLY GOT ME THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOES EVERYONE FEEL, YOU KNOW, A A SENSE OF BELONGING WITHIN THE CITY? UM, I HAVE A GROWING NUMBER OF FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES WHO, UM, ARE NOT CURRENTLY US CITIZENS. MANY OF THEM ARE WORKING ON THEIR CITIZENSHIP. MANY OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOWARDS THAT, SOME AREN'T. UM, SOME, I'VE GOT ONE FRIEND WHO'S BEEN HERE TWO DECADES AND, YOU KNOW, WHO IS A GREEN CARD HOLDER AND, AND WORKS, UM, IN TEXAS AND HAS LIVED HERE MANY, MANY YEARS. UM, I'VE GOT OTHER FRIENDS WHO ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, RECENT KIND OF TRANSPLANTS FROM OTHER AREAS OF THE WORLD. UM, MOSTLY LIKE BRAZIL. UM, I'VE KNOWN, UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG INFLUX OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS IN SUPPORT OF SAMSUNG AND THEIR SUPPLIERS. AND SO A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ASIAN PEOPLE COMING HERE. AND SO IT JUST GOT ME THINKING, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE AND ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IN ADDITIONAL WAYS THAN THEY CAN SERVE NOW? UM, I HAD, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT I WANTED IN THE PACKET, BUT, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY DID SEND A MEMO OUT TO THE COUNCIL, WHICH, UM, WAS INTENDED TO BE IN THE PACKET. AND THEN I POSTED SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATIONS ON OUR MESSAGE BOARD. I KNOW THE MAYOR SAW IT AT LEAST. AND SO JUST MY THOUGHTS WERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE? I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, MAYBE IT IS A GOOD IDEA. BUT I JUST GOT THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BROADEN, UM, OUR HORIZONS A LITTLE BIT? THE FIRST, UH, BOARD THAT I REALLY THOUGHT OF WAS THE, THE DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND BELONGING, UM, COMMISSION. I THOUGHT THAT'S A GREAT WAY FOR, FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO [02:35:01] BRING IN A LOT OF, UM, MAYBE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES VERY RECENTLY. UM, I THOUGHT THAT KIND OF MADE SENSE. AS I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS, I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY. THEY ARE TAXPAYERS. SOME OF THEM HAVE PURCHASED HOMES, SOME OF THEM HAVE, YOU KNOW, ARE RENTERS. UM, ALL OF THEM ARE PAYING, UM, SALES TAX FOR SURE. UM, THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE USING OUR PUBLIC LIBRARY. THEY'RE USING OUR PARKS. UM, AND, UH, COULD WE BENEFIT FROM HAVING SOME OF THEIR INPUT? AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE GENESIS OF IT CAME FROM. AND THAT'S KINDA WHAT I WAS THINKING. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP AS A, AS AN IDEA TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AMONG THE COUNCIL TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IDEAS THAT YOU HAD, UM, CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE. UM, IN THE MEMO THAT CAME FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE MAIN KIND OF CLASSIFICATION THAT I WAS REALLY KIND OF LOOKING FOR WAS WHAT'S, UH, TERMED AS RESIDENT ALIEN, WHICH IS SOMEBODY WHO EITHER, UH, HAS A GREEN CARD OR PASSES WHAT'S CALLED THE SUBSTANTIAL PRESENCE TEST, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'VE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES AT LEAST 31 DAYS DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF MEET SOME RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. AND SO ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO, THAT WAS KIND OF THE BACKGROUND OF IT AND WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS WERE. SO WE'LL EITHER ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR WE CAN, UM, ONE, THE MOTION COULD BE TO SUSPEND THE RULES, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION WE CAN'T DISCUSS UNLESS WE, UNLESS THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER OF THE ITEM. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE QUESTIONS OR FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM OR MOTION, CAN YOU GO OVER THE, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST, UM, I GUESS SET OF CRITERIA WITH THE GREEN CARD HOLDER. CAN YOU GO OVER, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE, UM, THE MEMO, BUT THE SECOND SET OF CRITERIA? YES. SO THE FIRST ONE IS CALLED, UM, A RESIDENT ALIEN IS DEFINED, UM, IN THE IRS TAX CODE AS A PERSON WHO MEETS EITHER THE GREEN CARD TEST OR THE SUBSTANTIAL PRESENCE TEST. AND SO THE GREEN CARD TEST IS A PERSON WHO, UM, HAS A, IS A LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT WITHIN THE US ACCORDING TO US, UH, IMMIGRATION LAWS, UM, THEIR STATUS HASN'T BEEN REVOKED. UM, THEY BASICALLY QUALIFY TO HOLD A GREEN CARD. MM-HMM, . AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE US ON AT LEAST EITHER 31 DAYS DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR AND 183 DAYS DURING THE THREE YEAR PERIOD. THAT INCLUDES THE CURRENT YEAR AND THE TWO IMMEDIATELY PROCEEDING. SO 31 DAYS DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR, CURRENT CALENDAR YEAR, AND 183 DAYS TOTAL FOR THREE YEARS. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THIS MAY BE IN THE MEMO, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER GORDON, WHAT DOES THE CHARTER SAY ABOUT THIS? OR DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? UH, SO THE CURRENT, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE CHARTER, DOTTIE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE WHERE IT SAYS THAT IN ORDER TO SERVE ON A BORDER OR COMMISSION, YOU NEED TO BE A REGISTERED VOTER WITHIN THE CITY. UM, AND THEN THAT ALSO BROUGHT UP KIND OF AN ANCILLARY, UNINTENDED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALSO ANCILLARY THING TO WHERE WE DO ALLOW SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE ETJ TO SERVE ON SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT IN SOME OF OUR WORDING WHERE IT SAYS YOU NEED TO BE A REGISTERED VOTER IN THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE CITY. 'CAUSE THEY LIVE IN THE ETJ, BUT WE ALLOW THEM TO SERVE LIKE ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THE, UH, THE LIBRARY BOARD OR THE TWO THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND, UH, I THINK WE DID THE DI OR DEIB IS, IS THE, IS THE THIRD ONE WHERE I, I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME CLEANUP, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION OF THE, UH, OF THE WORDING. AND THE CHARTER DOES ALLOW YOU TO ESTABLISH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BY ORDINANCE. BUT THEN YOU LOOK TO STATE LAW, LIKE I GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HAS SPECIFIC MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS. MM-HMM. . SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT YOU'VE CREATED TO SEE IF THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT SAYS WHAT THE MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS ARE. AND I HAVE NOT DONE THAT. SO ARE YOU LOOKING TO, IS YOUR GOAL TO HAVE A MOTION TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US TO MAKE CHANGES. YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY. I MEAN, POSSIBLY IF, IF, IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A, A DISCUSSION OPEN ENOUGH TO WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO ARE AT LEAST OPEN TO THE IDEA, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT A FINAL ACTION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I, YEAH, MY INTENTION WAS NEVER TO HAVE A, EVEN A FINAL ACTION, BUT MORE TO JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS [02:40:01] THAT CAN BE PRESENTED AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP AGENDA, UM, TO DISCUSS WHICH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED OR EXEMPTED BASED ON STATE LAW. AND TO FURTHER SPECIFY, JUST LIKE WE DON'T ALLOW MORE THAN TWO EJ MEMBERS ON OUR BOARD, WE WOULD SAY ETJ SLASH NON-CITIZEN MAX TWO. SO THAT WAY RESIDENTS ARE STILL THE MAJORITY OF OUR BOARD. UM, BUT TO COME BACK AT, AT A WORKSHOP. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COUNCIL MAYOR CLARK. HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. I THINK THAT'S, I THINK IT GIVES US MORE DISCUSSION AND THEN A WORKSHOP WOULD GIVE US MORE ABILITY TO KIND OF FREELY TALK ABOUT IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, I GUESS. UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FINE BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATENESS ON CERTAIN BOARDS VERSUS OTHERS. UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN EASIER CASE ON SOME, AND THEN ON OTHERS THERE ARE AT LEAST THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS ABOUT CONCERNS. UM, AND THEN ALSO HOW YOU NAVIGATE THOSE LIMITS. 'CAUSE IS IT GONNA BE A TOTAL NUMBER OF ETJ PLUS RESIDENT ALIENS HAS TO BE UNDER A CERTAIN NUMBER OR HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU WORD THAT TO MAKE THAT, UM, FIT. OTHERWISE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE INTENT OF EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ARE THERE. SO FIGURING OUT WHAT WE WOULD WANT THOSE ORDINANCE CHANGES TO BE. I GUESS A WORKSHOP IS, I, WHEN HE SAID WORKSHOP AT FIRST, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT'S OVERKILL, BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO DISCUSS HERE THAT, THAT IT WARRANTS A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD HALF HOUR DISCUSSION ON IT TO COME TO SOME CONSENSUS ON WHAT NOR NOTES CHANGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. YEAH, I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE WORKSHOP, UM, IDEA. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO SUSS OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE SOME, JUST A, A FEW RESERVATIONS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING CITIZENS, UM, AT THE MOMENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS, UH, HAS THAT PRIVILEGE AT THE MOMENT. AND SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT IT, BUT, UM, I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, PARAMETERS. SO I THINK THAT THE WORKSHOP WOULD HELP US OUT TO KIND OF SUSS THAT OUT. YEAH, I GUESS, UM, FOR ME, DEFINITELY HAVING LEGAL'S INPUT INTO WHAT IS ALLOWED BY, UH, I GUESS IN DOING THIS, UM, ALLOWED, WHETHER IT'S IN STATUTE OR NOT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR ME THEN TO MAKE, I GUESS NEXT STEPS OR MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS. SO I THINK FIRST STEP WOULD BE JUST GETTING LEGAL TO RESEARCHES MORE BECAUSE LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS OR RESERVATIONS OR I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL CONCERNS. SO, BUT IF THAT, THAT CAN BE CLARIFIED BY LEGAL, THEN MAYBE THAT CAN CLEAR SOME THINGS UP. SO I DON'T MIND A WORKSHOP. THE PART THAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT, ABOUT THE MOTION IS TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. TO ME THAT IS A POLICY DECISION. THAT IS, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE WANNA DO. NOW WE CAN SAY BASED ON A LEGAL OPINION OF WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF GET TOGETHER AND GO, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD BOARD TO DO THIS? I DON'T KNOW. AND SO I THINK THEY NEED TO STAY OUT OF THAT PART BECAUSE IT'S UP TO, IT'S GONNA BE UP TO US TO DECIDE DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT IT? I AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. I, I ADMIT I I'LL TAKE THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I, WHEN I ADMIT STAFF, I MEANT LEGAL STAFF, NOT, NOT CITY STAFF. 'CAUSE IT'S OUR PURVIEW OF CREATE BOARDS AND COMMISSION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY STAFF. SO, SORRY FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION REPORTS. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS GONNA BE LEGAL. YEAH. YEAH. NOW, THE ONLY THING I'D SAY ON THIS IS, SO I TALKED TO, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, I REALLY THOUGHT WOULD HAVE AN OPPOSITE OPINION OF ME. AND, UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE A GREEN CARD BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT WHILE THEY'RE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE INTRICACIES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BECOMING A CITIZEN, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH A PROCESS. THEY MAY BE WORKING ON BECOMING A CITIZEN AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. ONE OF THE CONCERNS SOMEONE HAD GAVE TO ME WAS, ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS, IS THE, THEY DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME UP AND SAY, HEY, I'M NOT HERE LEGALLY, BUT I'M . I HAVE SUBSTANTIAL PRESENCE BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN ENVIRONMENT IN TEXAS WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKED AT BY CERTAIN PEOPLE A CERTAIN WAY. AND SO THEY THINK THAT WHILE IT MAY BE AN EMPTY ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME UP, THEIR QUESTION WAS HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY SAY, I DON'T HAVE STATUS TO BE HERE AS SOME PEOPLE THINK I [02:45:01] SHOULD, BUT I STILL WANNA SERVE ON A BOARD AND COMMISSION. SO THEN THAT GOT ME TO LOOK ABOUT BEING A RESIDENT OF THE CITY. AND, UM, AND THEN THE VOTER, REGISTERED VOTER. AND I THINK THE ONLY REASON A REGISTERED VOTER IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF AN ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO PROVE BY LAW THAT YOU ARE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT YOU LIVE IN A CITY BECAUSE ANY OTHER MECHANISM, THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVIDE PROOF. NOW YOU COULD LIE ON YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION, AND THEN THERE'S CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR THAT. BUT ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU DO A UTILITY BILL, THIS IS JUST THE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE WORK SESSION. IF, IF YOU SAY, WELL, A UTILITY BILL CAN ESTABLISH RESIDENCE, UM, WELL THEN YOU MAY HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE LIKE, WELL, I'M THE RESIDENT BECAUSE I HAVE A UTILITY BILL. OR YOU SAY, WELL, I JUST NEED A LEASE. WELL, THEN HOW DO YOU VERIFY THE LEASE IS AN ACTUAL LEASE. AND IT'S NOT SOMEONE FROM GEORGETOWN THAT WANTS TO BE ON A BORDER COMMISSION. AND SO I THINK WE REALLY GOTTA THINK HOW WE'RE GONNA, HOW, HOW DO WE VET THIS? 'CAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE CITY SECRETARY TO SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME GOING THROUGH TRYING TO IDENTIFY, IS THIS PERSON REALLY HERE? AND WE ALREADY ARGUE ENOUGH ON THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE LIVING IN THE CITY. IF WE START OPENING UP THIS WIDE THING, I'M AFRAID THAT YOU JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, THEREBY THAT'S GONNA QUESTION DO YOU REALLY LIVE IN A CITY? AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, IF WE DO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MORE DO IT AS I UNDERSTAND THE ETJ ISSUE. BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE PER BOARD LIKE WE DID WITH DNI ORIGINALLY, UM, LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE EDC INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCES THAT THEN WE CAN SAY IN THAT WAY, WHO IN ETJ OR WHATEVER CAN SERVE AND, AND THEN WHO CAN'T. UM, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THERE IS A CONFLICT. UM, BUT I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THE, EVERYBODY IN ETJ BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON OUR BOARD. 'CAUSE WE HAVE 40,000 PEOPLE AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THEM MORE INVOLVED. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY HAVING A WORK SESSION. UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S, THIS IS A DETAILED THING HERE, BUT, ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER DISCUSSION. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12 TWO, [12.2. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-061 adopting the amendments to the Water and Wastewater Impact Fees, and amending the Code of Ordinances. (Matt Rector)] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH 0 6 1, ADOPTING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AND AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND ON THAT, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. FIRST WE HAVE DAVID GLENN, THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND. PERFECT. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, APOLOGIZE IF I COUGH. I, ALLERGIES ARE KILLING ME, BUT MY NAME IS DAVID GLENN. UH, I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS FOR THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING AROUND AND HEARING ME OUT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ITEM. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK, UH, AGAINST THE PROPOSED 40% INCREASE IN THE WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, UM, WHICH AMOUNTS TO $8,000, UH, INCREASE ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. WE, OF COURSE, UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IN INFRASTRUCTURE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONSTRUCTION IS EXPENSIVE, BUT WE JUST FEEL THIS INCREASE IS TOO BIG TOO QUICKLY, AND WE'RE CONCERNED THE IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON THE MARKET. I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU I WANTED TO GO OVER. UM, OVERALL, THE, THE MARKET IN CENTRAL TEXAS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS IS DOWN 38%. I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT IN 2024. WE ARE SEEING A SLIGHT UPTICK IN SOME MARKETS. BUT ACROSS THE 35 MARKETS IN THE REGION, HUDA IS ACTUALLY DOWN 33%. AND THAT IS THE SECOND BIGGEST DECREASE BEHIND NORTHEAST AUSTIN IN JUST ABOVE PFLUGERVILLE. SO, UH, HUDU IN PARTICULAR IS ALREADY SEEING, UM, FEWER STARTS THAN, THAN MOST CITIES IN THE REGION. UM, TO SHARE SOME PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THE COST, I WAS, I'VE BEEN VISITING WITH MY DEVELOPERS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALTERNATIVES. UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE DEVELOPERS DO IS ACTUALLY CREATE THEIR OWN PACKAGE PLANTS. AND THEY CAN DO THAT FOR ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE COST OF WHAT, UM, IS BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT. SO ROUGHLY 7,000, $8,000 PER HOME. UM, I ALSO ASKED THE BUILDERS WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF THIS INCREASE WERE TO GO THROUGH AS PROPOSED. AND, UM, THE QUOTE I GOT WAS, WE WILL ADJUST OUR PRICES, CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT, AND THEN MOVE ON FROM HURO. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT, UM, CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THIS MIGHT DO TO THE, TO THE HOUSING MARKET. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES. UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE DECREASE IN, UM, THE WATER FEE. WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. HOWEVER, BY OUR ESTIMATES ABOUT HALF THE CITIZENS RESIDENTS HERE ARE ON JONAH WATER. SO MANY FOLKS WON'T EVEN REALLY [02:50:01] BENEFIT FROM, FROM THAT PARTICULAR DECREASE. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENTS. I KNOW WHEN Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES EARLIER, THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GIVING BACK MONEY TO THE DEVELOPERS IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, THERE'S AN OVERCHARGE OR SURPLUS. UH, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND FROM A MEMBER'S EXPERIENCE, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS CITIES HOLD ON AND WAIT TILL THAT 10TH YEAR BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GIVE THAT MONEY BACK. AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY INSTANCE WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN A CHECK CUT AND GIVEN BACK TO THE DEVELOPER FOR OVER COLLECTING. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL TO EASE INTO THESE, UM, EASE INTO THESE FEES AS OPPOSED TO, UM, INCREASING 'EM SO, UH, SO DRAMATICALLY YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, SO HUDU IS SEEING A, A, A STEEP DROP OFF IN PERMITS. UH, WE NEED ROOFTOPS TO PAY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT NEEDLE TO THREAD. I'M, I'M GLAD I'M NOT IN YOUR SEAT. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO PAY OUR SHARE AND WE DO CONSIDER OURSELVES MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. UM, WE DO BELIEVE IN THIS INSTANCE IT'S TOO HIGH. SO OUR ASK WOULD BE TO CONSIDER MAYBE ADOPTING AT 70% OR 75% OF THE RATE FOR THE WASTEWATER FEE AND, UM, AND REALLY NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE MAX RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A NEED TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? SO I HAD A QUESTION. SO, UM, YOU SAID SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS SAID THEY WOULD JUST KIND OF CLOSE OUT WHAT THEY'VE GOT AND THEN MOVE ON FROM HURO. MM-HMM. . IS THERE A CHANCE, AND YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PACKAGE PLANS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO WOULD THERE BE ALSO A KIND OF A CHANCE THAT THEY WOULDN'T MOVE ON FROM HURO, BUT THEY WOULD STILL DEVELOP IN, THEY THEY JUST DEVELOP IN THE COUNTY? CORRECT. AND THEY WOULDN'T, THEY'D CHOOSE NOT TO ANNEX 'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE FEE. SO WE'D STILL GET THE SAME HOMES. MM-HMM. , WE JUST WOULDN'T GET ANY OF THE TAXES. WE WOULDN'T GET. SO THE HOMES WOULD STILL BE BUILT. WE WOULDN'T GET ANY OF THE PROPERTY TAX AND WE WOULDN'T GET ANY OF THE FEES AND WE MIGHT GET A PACKAGE PLANT. THAT'S CORRECT. IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE, THE DISCUSSION I HAD EARLIER. THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THAT YOU COULD JUST GO A MILE OUTSIDE OF TAYLOR AND DO THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENTLY AND MAYBE MORE AFFORDABLY. OKAY. UM, THE 75%, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT PERCENTAGE? HONESTLY, WE TRIED TO FIND A NUMBER THAT WE COULD BRING FORWARD TO Y'ALL THAT WASN'T SAYING THAT, DIDN'T SAY, DON'T DO IT AT ALL. , TRYING TO PICK A MIDDLE GROUND. AND, AND THAT'S INTENTIONAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DO WANNA RECOGNIZE THE, THE, THE NEED, RIGHT? AND EVERY CITY DOES HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, DIFFERENT CIPS, BUT, UM, 75% IS WITH THE NUMBER WE ALL DECIDED ON, THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE. OKAY. SO THE 75%, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SPOKE WITH, UH, CITY STAFF ABOUT AND KIND OF VETTED THAT THROUGH AND WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM CITY STAFF WITH THAT PERCENTAGE? WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO VISIT WITH CITI ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR, UM, PROPOSAL. WE DID MEET WITH MATT EARLIER THIS WEEK AND KIND OF WENT OVER SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN AND BROUGHT SOME OF MY DEVELOPERS TO THAT DISCUSSION. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE 79%, UM, TYPICALLY WHEN THESE FEES ARE ADOPTED, WE GET, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONGER PERIOD BETWEEN THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FINAL ADOPTION. USUALLY THEY GO THE FULL 30 DAYS, BUT WITH THE TWO WEEK TURNAROUND THAT WE'VE SEEN, IT'S BEEN, UH, WE'VE HAD TO WORK QUICK. OKAY. SO THEN MATT, DID YOU HAVE ANY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD FROM YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THE 75%, UH, RECOMMENDATION? UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THE 75% RECOMMENDATION. SO I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO VET IT, LOOK AT IT, CONSIDER IT ANYTHING REALLY. UM, SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE DOING EVERYONE A DISSERVICE IF I TRIED TO SPEAK ON IT INTELLIGENTLY RIGHT NOW WITHOUT HAVING LOOKED AT IT. OKAY. SO FOR, FOR DAVID, I THINK, UM, THE KEY TO ME THAT, THAT JUMPED OUT WAS WHEN YOU SAID THEIR COST FOR A PACKAGE PLANT. YOU, YOU SAID SEVEN 8,000 MM-HMM. , I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOUR 75% NUMBER CAME FROM BECAUSE IT WOULD PUT US IN LIKE AT NINE K MM-HMM. , WHICH IS IN THE BALLPARK. AND SO THEN THE DISCUSSION IS, WELL, IT'S NOT ALL THAT MUCH OF A COST DIFFERENCE TO DO A PACKAGE PLANT VERSUS WORKING WITH THE CITY. MM-HMM. . AND SO IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF RED TAPE GOING THROUGH TCEQ MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IS ALMOST A WASH. IS THAT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE AT THERE? YES. I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR BUILDERS LIKE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON CITY SERVICES, WATER AND WASTEWATER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEAL WAY. WE'VE SEEN SOME CITIES, YOU KNOW, WHO'VE STRUGGLED WITH CAPACITY AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN BEHIND, HAD TO DO MORE AUDITORIUMS AND PACKAGE PLANTS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO GET THINGS, KEEP THINGS MOVING. UM, SO IT'S NOT IDEAL. UH, SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT, EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE KEENAN WILSON. WILSON. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. [02:55:01] MY NAME IS KEENAN WILSON. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER FOR ALTA EDGE SCHMIDT WOOD PARTNERS. I'M HERE TO READ INTO RECORD AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THE 77.81 ACRE PROPERTY. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE IMPACT FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE ALTA EDGE SCHMIDT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT REMAIN AT THE RATE CONTEMPLATED THROUGHOUT OUR 2.5 YEAR REVIEW PROCESS, AND THAT A 90 DAY GRACE PERIOD BE PROVIDED BEFORE THE NEW FEES GO INTO EFFECT. TO ALLOW OUR FINAL PLAT TO BE RECORDED BY JANUARY 1ST, THE PLAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON AUGUST 6TH, 2024. AT THIS TIME, WE ARE UNABLE TO ACCURATELY DETERMINE THE NEW IMPACT FEES BECAUSE OUR SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST REFERENCES LU THIS, I THIS DEAL IS MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS BREAKING GROUND IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. BUDGETS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, BIDS COMPLETED, AND EQUITY AND DEBT COMMITTED BASED ON THE EXISTING FEES. THE PROJECT ENGINEER ESTIMATES AN INCREASED COST OF OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT WE ARE NOT SURE AT THIS POINT. WE KNOW IT'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE AND A BURDEN ON THE PROJECT. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT OTHER CITIES WILL BUILD IN A GRACE PERIOD EXTENDING BEYOND THE 90 DAY APPEALS PERIOD UNDER CHAPTER 3 95 OF THE TEXAS LGC IN ORDER TO GIVE ONGOING PROJECTS TIME TO GET THROUGH THE FINAL PLAT. AND BEFORE FEES TAKE EFFECT, BASED ON OUR READ OF THE CITY OF HUDA'S EXISTING CODE, WHEN FEES WERE INCREASED IN 2021, THE NEW FEES DID NOT APPLY TO PLATS RECORDED PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 1ST OF THE YEAR FOLLOWING PASSAGE. THEREFORE, WE DO NOT FEEL OUR REQUEST IS OUTSIDE OF INDUSTRY STANDARDS GENERALLY, OR CITY OF HUDDLE PRACTICES SPECIFICALLY. I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AN UNDER REVIEW FOR OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH CITY STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS TIME PERIOD TO ACHIEVE APPROVALS. WHEN WE FIRST UNDERTOOK THIS PROJECT, WE BELIEVED THAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE STREAMLINED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DETAILING THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WITH THIS IN MIND, PLEASE CONSIDER OUR REQUEST FOR A GRACE PERIOD FOR THE NEW FEES SO THAT THIS PROJECT CAN CONTINUE WITH CERTAINTY OF COST AND WITHOUT ADDITIONAL DELAYS. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I FORGOT WHAT WE DID LAST, LAST, LAST WEEK. WE ADOPTED, WHAT WAS THE WATER? 68 0 8 OR SOMETHING? YEAH. YEAH. 68 0 8. 68 0 8. 68 0 8. AND WE DID WHAT FOR WASTEWATER? 12,670, CORRECT. 1,670 AND 75% OF 12,670 IS 95 0 2 50 95 0 3 0 2. SAY THAT AGAIN. 9,502 AND 50 CENTS. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. IS WHAT THAT'S 75% THE WASTEWATER. IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THEIR ASK, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS WHOLE CONVERSION, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING LUE AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, MOVE OVER TO SERVICE UNIT, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. OKAY. I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO LIKE A QUICK EXERCISE ON SOMETHING SUPER BASIC TO KIND OF LIKE GET, OR THE CITY MANAGER CAN DO IT. 'CAUSE I THINK WE TALKED, WE TALKED IN OUR, OUR MACADO IT, WE TALKED IN OUR, UH, MEETING ABOUT JUST DOING SOME SIMPLE MATH AND COMPARING, YOU KNOW, HOW IT WOULD WORK OUT. I GUESS ANOTHER QUE UH, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IS WHENEVER THE SER REQUESTS ARE GOING THROUGH, IT'S ALL BASED ON LUE. HOW IS THE SER PROCESS GONNA, IS IT GOING TO CONTINUE AS L LUS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONVERT, UM, TO WHAT, WHAT IS IT SERVICE UNIT, I GUESS, OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? OR I GUESS WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND GETTING THIS NUMBER TO THE ACTUAL COSTS? YEAH, SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S LIKE TRANSLATING, IT'S LIKE SPEAKING TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRANSLATE IT. YEAH. EITHER IS THAT THE CASE OR NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. UM, IF I COULD JUST WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THESE SLIDES THAT I THINK IT MIGHT HELP. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. CLARIFY THAT. GREAT. YEAH. UM, AND SO THE FIRST SLIDE YOU SEE THERE IS, UH, LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD THIS, I, I, I SAID THAT MOST CITIES AROUND HERE, UH, WE'RE USING THE METER METHOD THAT WE'RE PROPOSING GOING TO. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH US AND CEDAR PARK THAT ARE USING THE [03:00:01] VARIABLE LUE METHOD THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING. EVERYBODY ELSE, AUSTIN BUTA, GEORGETOWN ROUND ROCK, PFLUGERVILLE, TAYLOR, EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING THIS METER METHOD. NOW, HOW THEY IMPLEMENT IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, BUT, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY. THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THIS IS THE CURRENT PROCESS. SO THE CURRENT PROCESS IS BASICALLY A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT. THEY COME IN AND THEY HAVE A USE, RIGHT? SO THEY MIGHT BE A WAREHOUSE BUILDING OR AN OFFICE. AND I'VE GOT SOME BLOWUPS THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS MATH WORKS. BUT BASICALLY, THEY COME IN AND THEY SAY, OH, I'M GONNA BUILD AN A WAREHOUSE BUILDING. AND SO THEN LET'S SAY IT'S A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING. AND SO PER THIS TABLE, WHICH IS BASED ON NOTHING BUT SQUARE FOOTAGES OF A BUILDING OF A SPECIFIC USE, YOU CONVERT THAT 200,000 SQUARE FOOT TO AN LUE NUMBER. OKAY. UH, AND SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE NUMBERS THERE. AND I, WE TRIED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A GOOD RUNDOWN ON, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL TYPE PROJECTS. WE DIDN'T, UM, WE USED REAL PROJECTS HERE IN HU FOR MOST OF THESE, BUT WE ADJUSTED SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT WE WEREN'T LIKE CALLING ANYBODY SPECIFIC OUT. RIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU PRETTY CLOSE. AND THEN, UM, ON THE BOTTOM, SO YOU CAN SEE I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT APARTMENTS ON THERE. ONE OF THEM IS LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN HU'S WATER AND WASTEWATER. AND THEN THE BOTTOM IS A HU APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH JUST JONAH'S WATER. NOT THAT IT REALLY MATTERS FOR OUR LUE CALCULATION, BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S USUALLY A DIFFERENCE THERE AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. AND THEN, AND THEN I WENT WAY EXTREME AND I SAID, OKAY, IF SOME BIG CHIP MANUFACTURER THAT'S TO BE NAMED, UH, CAME IN TO, TO HUDU, THAT HAS HAPPENED IN SIMILAR CITIES THAT AREN'T TOO FAR AWAY FROM US . UM, AND THEY WERE JUST LIKE, OKAY, I WANT TO DROP THIS GIANT PLANT IN HUDU, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT CONVERT TO IN OE? AND SO THEN I WENT A STEP FURTHER AND I SAID, OKAY, AND THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS GETTING INTO THE LANGUAGE QUESTION. UM, IF YOU TOOK THOSE SAME, THAT SAME TABLE THAT I JUST HAD ON THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE A WAREHOUSE BUILDING, AN OFFICE, BUILDING AN APARTMENT, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT CONVERTS TO 50 LUS, BUT THEY ARE PROBABLY PUTTING IN AN INCH AND A HALF METER BECAUSE WAREHOUSES TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WATER USE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, MOST OF 'EM ARE CROSS DOCK TYPE BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE A SMALL LITTLE OFFICE AND A SMALL LITTLE RESTROOM IN THERE. SO IT'S TYPICALLY NOT A HUGE USE. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, BUT I'M TYPICAL. AND THEN YOU CAN COMPARE THAT WHERE YOU'VE GOT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AND A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE, SAME EXACT METER. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN LU. AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE SAY THAT IT'S A VARIABLE LUE METHOD, IT'S BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, SOME PROJECTS ARE FEELING THAT PAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND SOME PROJECTS ARE NOT FEELING IT AS MUCH, EVEN THOUGH AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THEY GO PUT THEIR METER IN, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME. OKAY. SO FAST FOOD AND SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WOULD PAY THE SAME WATER WASTEWATER IMPACT OF THE USING THIS METHODOLOGY BECAUSE OF THE THE METER 'CAUSE OF THE METER SIZE? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO, UM, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE LANGUAGE, AS YOU PUT IT, L LUS IS JUST A LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT. AND IN OUR ORDINANCES, IN IN OUR UTILITY CRITERIA MANUAL AND IN OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, WE SPECIFY THE GALLONS PER DAY FOR EVERY LUE. AND SO THAT'S JUST A UNIT OF MEASURE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK AT THESE METERS, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT THAT PER THE A WWA GUIDANCE, EACH OF THESE METERS HAS A SPECIFIC FLOW RATE THAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE. THAT'S THE METER CAPACITY IN GPM. SO YOU CAN CONVERT GPM GALLONS PER MINUTE TO GALLONS PER DAY, AND THEN YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES IN ACTUAL FLOW. SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE METER METHOD IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS GIVING YOU A BETTER REPRESENTATION ON ACTUAL FLOW THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. UM, SO I DON'T, I'M HOPING THAT I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. MM-HMM? . SO THEN WE NO. YEAH, THIS NO, THIS IS GREAT. YEAH. WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND I SAID, OKAY, SO JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN COMPARE WHAT WE DID IN 2020 VERSUS WHAT WE DID IN 2024, WHAT WAS THE [03:05:01] GROWTH RATE? WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN EACH, WHAT DOES THAT ACCOUNT FOR IN NEW UNITS IN EACH, WHAT WERE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS IN EACH? AND WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO IN COST PER UNIT? AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2020, WHEN WHEN, WHEN THE CITY DID THIS, THEY WERE PROJECTING AN 8.99% GROWTH RATE FOR WATER, A 10.44% GROWTH RATE FOR WASTEWATER, WHICH EQUATED TO THOSE TWO RESPECTIVE, UH, GROWTH UNITS. AND BOTH REPORTS TALK UNITS. THEY DON'T SPECIFY LUE, THEY DON'T SPECIFY SERVICE UNIT, THEY'RE JUST UNITS. UM, OKAY. PAUSE THERE. OKAY. OKAY. UNITS AS IN WHAT IS A NEW, THE UNIT? SO WHEN, WHEN YOU DO THIS METHODOLOGY YOU'RE TAKING, WHAT ARE YOUR EXISTING UNITS ON THE GROUND? OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAD, UM, I, I DON'T, SORRY, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T PUT THE EXISTING NUMBERS IN THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR, FOR OUR CURRENT STUDY, WE HAD LIKE 10,000 UNITS ON THE GROUND. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT GROWTH RATE THAT THE CIAC OR PNZ, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU GUYS DECIDED THAT THE PNZ WAS GONNA BE YOUR CIAC, WHEN YOU TAKE THE GROWTH RATE THAT THEY RECOMMENDED, WHICH IS THE 10.45 TIMES YOUR INITIAL UNITS AND TAKE THAT OUT OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 17,000 UNITS OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD. SO FROM 2023 TO 2033. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND SO THEN YOU TAKE YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS, WHICH FOR JUST, JUST FOR KEEPING IT HIGH LEVEL WATER IN 2020, WE WERE PROJECTING $74 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS IN 2024. WE'RE PROJECTING $117 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT COSTS. AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT 74 1 17 DIVIDED BY YOUR NEW UNITS, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET YOUR WATER COSTS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE NOT ONLY DID WERE WE EXPECTING FEWER UNITS, BUT WE HAD LOWER COSTS. AND SO THAT CONVERTS OUT TO THE NUMBERS YOU SEE THERE FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. SO THAT'S WHY OUR WATER EFFECTIVELY WOULD'VE GONE DOWN. MM-HMM, . SO THEN TRYING TO TAKE IT A STEP FARTHER TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE SOMEWHAT, THE REQUEST THAT YOU MADE LAST TIME. WE SAID, ALL RIGHT, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN. ALL THOSE SAME PROJECTS THAT I'VE HAD ON THE PREVIOUS TWO TABLES, WAREHOUSE, OFFICE, APARTMENT, HOTEL, FAST FOOD, SIT DOWN, ALL THOSE, AND THEN SAID, ALL RIGHT, WHAT DID THEY PAY IN 2021 AFTER WE ADOPTED TO THE NEW RATES IN 2020? WHAT WOULD THEY PAY USING THIS METHOD IN 2024? AND WHAT IS THAT DIFFERENCE? AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE ONES IN RED, THEY WENT DOWN, THE ONES IN BLACK, THEY WENT UP. AND SO, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING EFFECTIVELY IS THAT THE ONES WITH THE HIGHER USE, THE HIGHER THE BIGGER METERS THEIR RATES WENT UP, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING MORE WATER, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF INTUITIVE BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPACT FEE. SO YOU'RE HAVING A BIGGER IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM. YOU'RE USING MORE WATER. THE ONES WITH THE SMALLER METERS, BASICALLY THEY WENT, THEY WENT DOWN, THEY'RE NOT USING AS MUCH WATER. SO GOING FROM THE VARIABLE LUE METHOD TO THE STRAIGHT METER METHOD, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY THIS, BUT IT GIVES YOU A BETTER PROJECTION OF ACTUAL IT'S THE AVERAGE. YEAH. INSTEAD OF IT BEING, SOME ARE LOW, SOME ARE HIGH, BUT THE METER'S THE SAME. NOW IT'S JUST THIS IS THE AVERAGE THAT WE'RE CHARGING FOUR METER. WE DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU'RE A LOW OR HIGH. YEAH. UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE RAN. UM, I THINK THAT, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. SO I THINK THAT TRIES TO ANSWER. I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER LAR, IF I'VE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT'S TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT COUNCIL ASKED LAST TIME. UM, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND ONE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WILL PUT IN THERE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS WHEN WE GET TO THE ACTUAL, UH, FEE ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEXT ITEM OR MAYBE TWO ITEMS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS ON THE AGENDA. UH, WHAT I RECOMMENDED IN THAT FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE IS, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER, IS THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THIS NEW FEE STARTING IN FEBRUARY OF 25 JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS KIND OF THE STANDARD THAT I FOUND IN THE PREVIOUS FEE SCHEDULES. OBVIOUSLY WE LEFT THE WAY WE WROTE THE ORDINANCE I WORKED WITH WITH DOTTIE AND HER TEAM. THE WAY WE WROTE THE ORDINANCE IS COUNSEL CAN SET WHATEVER DATE THEY WANT. WE WOULD JUST NEED TO BRING THAT APPENDIX A OF THE FEE SCHEDULE BACK WITH AN UPDATED START TIMELINE. SO MATT, WHO DETERMINES THE METER SIZE OF A DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE MECHANICAL ENGINEER FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPER DOES DETERMINES THE METER SIZE. SO SAY THAT APARTMENT IN JONAH, LET'S SAY THEY GO, OOH MAN, [03:10:01] NOW THAT WE GOTTA PAY PER METER, WE'RE GONNA REDESIGN THIS. WE DON'T NEED FOUR, SIX INCH METERS ANYMORE. 'CAUSE BEFORE WE WERE JUST PAYING BY USAGE AND NOW WE'RE PAYING BY METERS. SO I GUESS THEY COULD NOT, AND I'VE NEVER DESIGNED AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, COULD THEY COME OUT WITH A WAY TO WHERE THEY ONLY NEED TWO SIX INCH METERS OR THEY DECIDE ONE EIGHT INCH WILL HANDLE IT AND THAT'S CHEAPER? UM, OR WHY I THINK ABOUT THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. WHAT IF A DATA CENTER SAID WE'RE TO HAVE JUST A TWO INCH, BUT LET'S SAY SOMEONE THAT, LET'S SAY THE CHIP, THE CHIP PERSON SAID TWO EIGHT INCH METERS, THEY'RE CRAZY. WE'RE GONNA PUT ONE IN AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD A, A BIG TANK AND WE'RE GONNA HOLD ALL THE WATER. WE'RE GONNA PUMP WATER 24 HOURS A DAY. WE'RE GONNA HOLD THE WATER AT NIGHT. AND SO IN THE MORNING WHEN WE GO TO USE WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, WE CAN THEN UTILIZE THAT WATER BECAUSE THAT METER LOOKS LIKE THIS METER WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. SO MAYBE THEY SAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SPEND A MILLION ON A TANK OR THEY CAN SPEND 2 MILLION ON A, ON A METER. I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STOPS PEOPLE FROM, 'CAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY MANIPULATING METER SIZES AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YOU, YOU, YOU ARE. UM, SO KIND OF A, A SIDE NOTE, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, YOU, YOU GUYS ALL KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING MANUAL, THE FIRST ONE FOR HUDU. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THIS METER METHOD, WAS THEM POTENTIALLY SAYING, WELL I DON'T WANT A SIX INCH METER. I WANT A ONE INCH METER. AND SO WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS WORKING WITH THE TEAM THAT'S HELPING US WITH THE ENGINEERING MANUAL. UH, AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE A SIMILAR TOOL WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET IN OUR PLAN, SET THEIR BREAKDOWN OF THEIR FIXTURE UNITS SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT THEIR ENGINEER IS DESIGNING THINGS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF FIXTURE UNITS THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA GO IN AND SAY, PUT 30 SINKS AND 20 TOILETS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF IN THERE, THERE'S A FLOW ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE FIXTURES. AND SO THEN WE LOOK AT PER THE A WWA STANDARDS, WHICH IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, WELL HOW MUCH FLOW ARE THOSE GONNA NEED? OKAY, WELL WHY ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T NEED A ONE INCH METER WHEN BY ALL THESE FIXTURES, YOU ACTUALLY NEED A THREE INCH METER. SO IF I SAY, 'CAUSE WE'RE BUILDING A TANK AND WE'RE GONNA PUMP WATER AT NIGHT WHEN NO ONE'S WORKING AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR FLOW DURING THE DAY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THESE OTHER CITIES HAVE CONTEMPLATED THAT THE REASON I ASK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN FEES ARE LOW, PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW TO, I MEAN DEVELOPERS, ANY BUSINESS OWNER THAT'S HALFWAY DECENT BUSINESS OWNER IS GONNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THINGS CHEAPER. MM-HMM. . AND SO I GET CONCERNED AS WE INCREASE COSTS, WE JUST INCREASE PEOPLE TO GO, OKAY, HOW DO I ENGINEER THIS DIFFERENTLY TO STILL GET YOU THE FLOW YOU SAY I NEED, BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO AND PAY YOU, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS IN IMPACT FEES JUST BECAUSE YOU SAID I'M GONNA GET YOU THE FLOW. BUT I'VE FIGURED OUT, BUT THAT ACTUALLY HURTS US, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, LIKE I WAS TELLING THE CITY MANAGER TO ME, AND I GET IT, WE'RE ONE OF TWO CITIES IN A METRO AREA, BUT AN LUE SEEMS LIKE A MORE ACCURATE MEASURE OF IMPACT VERSUS YOU GET THESE FEES TOO HIGH, PEOPLE WILL DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND WE'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME SEWER CAPACITY WE HAVE TO HAVE. BUT UH, I JUST THROW IT OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIX IT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT IS THERE, BUT, UM, I MEAN YOU'RE NOT WRONG. BUT HAVING WORKED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHY ENGINEERS GET PAID WHAT WE GET PAID, RIGHT? WE GET PAID TO FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS AND WE GET PAID TO HELP DEVELOPERS FIGURE OUT WAYS TO DO THINGS FASTER AND CHEAPER AND EASIER AND GET THROUGH ALL OF THE HOOPS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATES THROW AT THEM. UM, WE'RE PROBLEM SOLVERS. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND SO, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED LIKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE A STORAGE TANK ABOVE 50,000 GALLONS OR SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN'T I THINK, I THINK GO AHEAD. MY CAR, SORRY. I WAS JUST SAYING FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING AT IT FROM THE WRONG PROBLEM. WATER IS NOT WHERE THE INCREASE IN FEE IS COMING FROM. IT'S FROM WASTEWATER. THEY'RE NOT STORING THEIR ABUSE IN THE TANK TO DUMP THE, THE FLOW RATE FOR THEIR CHARGE IS GONNA BE NOT 'CAUSE OF THE WATER THEY NEED, BUT THE WASTEWATER FLOW OUT. SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE BIG HIT IS. AND MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE IN THE ETJ. SO THE WATER, UH, FOR CITY OF HU ISN'T GOING TO REALLY BE THERE. IF THEY OVER-ENGINEER AROUND IT, THEY'RE STILL, 'CAUSE WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN RESERVATION, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN A RESERVATION REQUEST AND PAY FOR THE RESERVING FOR THE LU STILL CORRECT. MATT? YES. UH, YEAH, WE HAVE THE RESERVATION REQUIREMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO I DON'T, I I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT WATER FROM THE WRONG POINT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE RESERVATION REQUIREMENT. SO EVEN, EVEN IF THEY UNDER ENGINEER THE, THE DOMESTIC METER AND THEY NEED A TON OF WATER, WELL THEY STILL HAVE TO SHOW HOW MUCH LEDS [03:15:01] THEY NEED AND THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THE RESERVATION FEE TO GET IT. SO THAT DIDN'T GO AWAY. AND EVERYONE IN THE E TJ THAT'S NOT ON OUR WATER, JUST WASTEWATER. UM, NOW I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE AT THE MAX FEE, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONCLUDING THE, THE ISSUE. 'CAUSE MOST OF THE GROWTH FOR LIKE THE HOMES AND STUFF IS NOT GONNA BE IN THE CITY. IT'S GONNA BE IN E TJ. ALRIGHT, SO WATER, NOT OUR CCN, EXCUSE ME. NOT NOT NOT IN OUR CN ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ARTICULATE. YOU'RE RIGHT, I I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WATER, BUT YOUR WATER METER IS WHAT DICTATES YOUR WASTEWATER IMPACT. OKAY? SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER USAGE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEONE GOING, I DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE. AND SO I CAN CUT A MILLION OUTTA MY PROJECT BY FIGURING OUT A WAY TO VALUE ENGINEER HOW TO GET THE WATER PRESSURE. I NEED THE FLOW RATE THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING. AND SO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, CUSTOMER CLARK, IS LITERALLY WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. GUYS LIKE MATT, YOU KNOW THOUGH, IF YOU, IF THEY GET THEIR RIGHT NOW POINT OF ORDER'S, HEY, WHAT WE DO IS DEVELOPERS, WE TAKE THE CODE, WE SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY, WE UNDERSTAND THE RULES, AND THEN WE GO BACK TO ENGINEERS AND MATT'S PUT ON BOTH SIDES. UM, AND WE GO BACK TO ENGINEERS AND DO EXACTLY WHAT MATT SAYS. WE FIGURE, OKAY, CUT MONEY OUT OF THIS, HOW DO WE DO IT? AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO BASICALLY BEAT THE CITY AT WHAT THE CITY WAS TRYING TO DO. AND ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS WHEN YOUR IMPACT FEES ARE 4,000, WHATEVER YOUR MEASUREMENT IS, THAT'S ONE THING IT'S NOT REALLY WORTH SCREWING AROUND WITH. 'CAUSE ENGINEERS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE 18,000, $20,000 FOR WATER WASTEWATER, WHATEVER IT IS, 13,000 FOR WASTEWATER, ALL OF A SUDDEN IF YOU'RE BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, YOU START DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE NOW I CAN PAY YOU 20 GRAND TO SAVE ME HALF A MILLION. AND I JUST WANNA, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 'CAUSE I, I KNOW HOW PEOPLE THINK AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING THROUGH THOSE EXERCISES IN PFLUGERVILLE RIGHT NOW ON HOW TO BEAT THAT SYSTEM. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT DOING THAT SYSTEM IN ROUND ROCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR TIME. SO I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN I BRING UP WATER, JUST KEEP IN MIND, YOUR WATER METER IS WHAT DICTATES YOUR WASH, YOUR WASTE WATER FEE. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE, YOU COULD USE A MILLION GALLONS A DAY OR YOU COULD USE 10 GALLONS A DAY, WHATEVER METER YOU PUT, IT USED TO BE RIGHT? HOW MUCH WATER YOU USED ACCORDING TO THE MANUAL FOR WHATEVER THE LUE WAS. AND SO I JUST SAW IT OUT THERE. BUT I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. THESE DIFFERENCES, WHEN I ADD THESE UP, I COME UP WITH A NEGATIVE NUMBER. THIS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING IN LESS MONEY. SO THE CITY MANAGER SAYS IT'S AVERAGING, I'M NOT SAYING YOU GUYS CHERRYPICKED ALL THE MONEY SAVERS HERE, BUT WHO'S PAYING MORE? BECAUSE IF WE'RE RAISING FEES FROM WHATEVER IT WAS TO 12,670 AND ALL YOUR EXAMPLES COME UP TO A NET NET NEGATIVE IN INCOME FOR THE CITY, WE GOTTA AVERAGE IT OUT. SO WHO'S GETTING, WHO'S GETTING PINCHED? WHO, WHO ARE WE NOT THINKING OF HERE? SO, UM, WE, WE RAN, WELL WE DID, WE KIND OF ANTICIPATED THIS QUESTION. WE RAN THE NUMBERS BASED ON IF WE HAD APPLIED THIS SYSTEM ON EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR, WHAT WOULD THE DIFFERENCE BE? AND NOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, I TOTALLY JUST SPACED ON THE NUMBER. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I KNOW IT IT WAS, UM, IT WAS 3.7 MILLION TOTAL PLUS TOTAL NET PLUS. YES. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU CAN TELL EFFECTIVELY BY LOOKING AT THE CATEGORIES, SO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE APARTMENTS, UH, THE HOTELS, THE DATA CENTERS, THE DATA CENTERS, THEY'RE GONNA PAY MORE THAN THAN WHAT THEY WERE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM WITH, WITH THE HIGHER RATE. AND THAT'S BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY IS ONE-TO-ONE. SO IF YOU RAISE IT $1, THEY'RE PAYING MORE NO MATTER WHAT. THE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS LIKE WAREHOUSES AND OFFICES THAT ARE NOT BIG WATER USERS, THEY'RE GONNA PAY LESS. SO IF WE HAD APPLIED THIS THIS YEAR, WE WOULD'VE COLLECTED ROUGHLY $725,000 OR LESS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE AND WE WOULD'VE COLLECTED 4.5 MILLION MORE ON THE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT AND THOSE OTHER ONES SIDE. AND THE NET EFFECT WOULD'VE BEEN AN INCREASE OVERALL OF THE 3.7 MILLION. SO THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS CONSIDERED IN TAKING A VOTE ON EFFECTIVELY DOES. IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EFFECTIVELY SAYING IF YOU'RE A SMALL WATER USER AND COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GONNA PAY LESS IN HUDU. AND IF YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT DATA CENTER, THAT SORT OF STUFF, YOU'RE GONNA PAY MORE BY THE, BY THE WAY THAT IT'S IMPLEMENTED IF WE KEEP IT THE SAME [03:20:01] DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS OF RIGHT NOW. AND THEN ANOTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, OR AT LEAST I DIDN'T HEAR THE CONSULTANT SAY IS THAT WHILE, WHILE , I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING IT OUT WHILE THEY PRESENTED SERVICE UNITS, THE COUNCIL COULD ELECT TO KEEP IT AT THE VARIABLE RATE. AND THEN NOW YOU HAVE YOUR MAXIMUM DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU CAN CHOOSE A DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNT LOWER THAN THAT. YOU CAN KEEP IT ON THE VARIABLE RATE IF YOU CHOOSE TO. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS CLARIFIED BY THE CONSULTANT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GO TO THE AVERAGE SO THAT WAY THERE'S NO MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING TO TRY TO TRUE UP NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE CALCULATED IT ONE WAY AND THEN THE, THE RESTAURANT OR WHOEVER ELSE SAYS, NO, HERE'S MY REAL DATA. UM, WE NEED TO LOWER IT. SO GO TO AVERAGE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE. SO LONG WAY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. BUT THE ANSWER IS THE RESIDENTIAL COM, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS, THOSE SORTS OF FOLKS ARE GONNA PAY MORE. AND THE COMMERCIAL THAT OUR LOW, OUR OUR LOW WATER USERS WILL PAY LESS UNDER THIS SYSTEM. YEAH. I WENT THROUGH AND KIND OF CALCULATED OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE INCREASE IS FOR EACH ONE. WAREHOUSE DROPS ALMOST 50%. OFFICE GOES UP A ONE AND A HALF TIMES HOTEL, 1.8 TIMES FAST FOOD 1.7 TIMES. SO IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE AND A HALF ISH IS WHAT WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING UP. BUT THEN YOU GET INTO APARTMENTS, IT'S 2.8 TIMES SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS FOUR AND A HALF TIMES. SO ON WASTEWATER, I MEAN IT IS JUST LIKE ALL THE BURDENS BEING PUT ON THE THE HOMES IT SEEMS TO ME. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING UP FOUR AND A HALF X WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR ON WASTEWATER. NOW THE WATER IS GOING DOWN, BUT THE WASTEWATER IS GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, DATA CENTERS A, YOU KNOW, A BIG INCREASE THERE. UM, BUT WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND LAST TIME AND, AND I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS LUE VERSUS SERVICE UNIT AND ALL THAT, FOR SOME REASON I JUST HAD IT IN MY HEAD THAT, YOU KNOW, A SERVICE UNIT WAS LIKE LESS THAN AN LUE WHEN WE WERE CALCULATING THINGS OUT BECAUSE WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT, OH YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE LESS, IT'S GONNA BE LOWER. BUT WE WERE REALLY TALKING MORE COMMERCIAL. WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK RESIDENTIAL LAST WEEK. UM, AND SO FOR SOME REASON I JUST HAD IT IN MY HEAD THINKING, OH WELL A SERVICE UNIT'S PROBABLY LIKE A HALF OF AN LUE OR FOURTHS OF AN LUE. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE-TO-ONE, BUT IT'S JUST WHO IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE METER SIZE THROWS IT ALL OFF AND, AND, AND ALL THAT. SO, AND IT JUST, IT JUST AGAIN SCARES ME TO THINK IF WE RAISE IT TOO HIGH THEN WE'RE ALMOST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BUILD OUTSIDE THE CITY. NOT ANNEX, START BUILDING MORE PACKAGE PLANTS, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO KILL . WE'RE TRYING TO KILL ALL THESE PACKAGE PLANTS AND THIS COULD UNINTENTIONALLY MAYBE PROLIFERATE MORE OF THEM. AND SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT. I GUESS THE COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR ONSIDE OH YEAH, GO AHEAD. I JUST REALIZED THAT YOU HAD ASKED ME ONE OTHER QUESTION AND I DIDN'T ANSWER IT AND I APOLOGIZE. THE SER PROCESS IS NOT CHANGING. OKAY. BECAUSE AT THE SER TIMELINE, THEY ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THEIR BUILDING AND ALL. IT'S TYPICALLY THE SER IS HAVE ANNEXATION AND PLATTING, SO THEY HAVEN'T DONE DETAILED DESIGN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO WE'RE KEEPING IT, SCRS WILL STILL BE BASED ON LU. OKAY. AND THEN, AND THAT IS, SO THEY'LL DO A RESERVATION 'CAUSE OUR CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE IS $70 PER LUE, WHICH EVERY DEVELOPER THAT WE'VE TOLD THAT TO IS LIKE, YOU GUYS ARE WAY CHEAP COMPARED TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO. MM-HMM. . SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA PUSH BACK. IT'S NOT TO SAY THEY WON'T, BUT EVERY DEVELOPER SO FAR THAT WE'VE SOLD, OH, YOU GOTTA RESERVE YOUR LUE AND IT'S $70 PER LUE. THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S IT. SO, UM, THE SER PROCESS IS NOT CHANGING AND I APOLOGIZE. I YOU ASKED THAT AND I DID NOT ANSWER IT AND SO, YEAH, NO, THANK YOU. MATT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADOPT DIFFERENT RATES FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL? AS FAR AS I'M AWARE YOU CAN. I MEAN, WE DO IT ON ALL THE OTHER IMPACT FEES. I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER TO DOTTIE ON ALL THE LEGALITIES OF THAT, BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD THINK OF IS WE HADN'T ADVERTISED IT THAT WAY. YEAH. BUT MAYBE AS LONG AS YOU STAY UNDER THE MAXIMUM, YOU COULD SPLIT IT OUT. ONE WAY TO FIND OUT IS TO DO IT. AND CAN YOU, JANE OR MATT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PUT OUT THE CHART WHERE YOU HAVE, COMPARING TO ALL THE OTHER CITIES? DO YOU HAVE THAT FROM LAST TIME? UH, UH OH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHERE LIKE WE ADD UP ALL OF OUR IMPACT FEES AND WE COMPARE IT TO ALL THE OTHER CITIES. YEAH. JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR WASTEWATER. UH, YEAH, I DID. I DIDN'T, I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT GRAPHIC IN [03:25:01] THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IT SHOULD BE IN THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST THURSDAY. YEAH, LAURA SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP REAL QUICK. OKAY. I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION, THIS MIGHT BE FOR ALBERTA, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS CALCULATED ANYTHING, BUT I GUESS SO IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL. SO IF WE STAY WHERE WE'RE AT, OBVIOUSLY THE COLLECTION IS JUST NOT GONNA BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE IMPACT ON OUR, LIKE LET'S JUST FOCUS ON WASTEWATER, RIGHT? UM, THE IMPACT CAN WE GET CLOSE TO DETERMINING WHERE IT MAKES SENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAKES SENSE , WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE FEES PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE OR RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, SO THEY CAN, THEIR PARTIALITY OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE ADDING TO THE CAPACITY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THE NUMBER IS 12 IF THEY'RE DOING THEIR FULL AMOUNT. SO YOU CAN DO SOMETHING LESS. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE CALCULATION DOES. IT'S NOT WELL AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, MATT, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT I GUESS, OR MAKE ME, HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, TOPIC. WELL, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF WE DON'T CHARGE THE 12 7 60 FOR WASTEWATER UHHUH AND WE CHARGE SOMETHING LOWER YEAH. BUT WE KEEP THE VARIABLE METHODOLOGY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING, THEN WHAT PRICE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT ALL THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE WORKS? IS THAT BASICALLY YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY FIX ALBERTA . WELL, I I DON'T KNOW THAT, I MEAN I'M NOT TRYING, I'M NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT OR TRYING TO LIKE OUT MATH IT, RIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO A NUMBER THAT'S RIGHT. REASONABLE. BUT THE PRO, THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T, ALBERTA CAN'T GIVE US THAT NUMBER. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WHATEVER WE SET THE RATE AT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE RATE OF GROWTH IN THE CITY. MM-HMM. . AND SO IF WE SET THE RATE HIGHER, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET MORE MONEY. MM-HMM. NECESSARILY. BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA SLOW THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO A CRAWL. MM-HMM. . AND IF WE DON'T, I MEAN IF WE DON'T COLLECT ENOUGH THEN THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA GONNA TAKE OFF MORE THAN IT WOULD, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, NOBODY CAN TELL US THAT NUMBER. YEAH. NOBODY HAS THAT NUMBER. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. AND, UH, YOU ARE, YOU'RE GREAT WITH NUMBERS, YOU'RE GREAT WITH ENGINEERING. SO TWO GREAT MINDS CAN MAYBE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. SO , SO COUNCILMAN MEMBER KOLAR HERE. HERE'S SOMETHING I MIGHT COULD ADD THAT IT'S NOT GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED BECAUSE I AGREE. I I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE ANSWERED. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE I COULD SAY THIS WITH FAIR, FAIR CERTAINTY. IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO INCREASE THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES ABOVE WHERE THEY ARE NOW AND STAY WITH THE VARIABLE CALCULATION, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY SIGNALING THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANT WAREHOUSE OFFICE, THAT SORT OF STUFF. BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR COST WOULD GO UP EVEN MORE RAPIDLY THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE. RIGHT. YOU WOULD BE SIGNALING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND TO THE APARTMENTS AND TO THE DATA CENTERS AND THE OTHER ONES GENERALLY SPEAKING THAT, THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN, IN SEEING MORE OF THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? MM. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD END UP SIGNALING BY STAYING WITH THE VARIABLE. IF YOU GO TO FIX, YOU'RE SIGNALING JUST THE OPPOSITE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU SET THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AT. MM-HMM. BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD FROM THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, IT'S LIKE IF YOU END UP AROUND 9,000, WE THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SO THE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING UP CONSIDERABLY, BUT $9,000 WOULD MEAN THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WOULD COME DOWN EVEN MORE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT WAS TIMES 12 AND THEN IT WOULD BE NOW THAT TIMES NINE MM-HMM. . SO TO THE QUESTION ABOUT CAN YOU SPLIT THEM BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL MAY WE THINK MAYBE YOU CAN. SO MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S THE PATH THAT Y'ALL ARE ENDING UP, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING. BUT THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT BETWEEN COMPARING VARIABLE WITH HIGHER RATES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, YOU'RE SIGNALING AND THAT REGARD EFFECTIVELY THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE A WHOLE LOT, WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE MORE WAREHOUSE AND THESE OTHER TYPES OF USES BECAUSE THE IMPACT FEES ARE SO HIGH, IT'S BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER AND HARDER TO JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. NOW YOU COULD ALSO HAVE BIGGER POCKETS AND MAYBE IT'S NOT SUCH OF A BIG HIT, BUT I MEAN, I THINK ARGUABLY AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SIGNALING THAT THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE. MM-HMM. NADI. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. DO WE ADOPT 68 0 8 FOR THE WATER AND 75% OF THE 12 6 70 FOR WASTEWATER WATER? 68 0 8 AND WASTEWATER. 75% [03:30:02] MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CLARK. WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IF WE CAN CHANGE THAT PERCENTAGE TO A NUMBER. IF WE CAN CHANGE IT TO 9,500 EVEN THAT'S LIKE 74.9% . THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. 7500 9500. 9,575. YEAH. ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT RATES IN DIFFERENT CLASSES? APARTMENTS PAY ONE SINGLE FAMILY PAY ONE. YOU THE, I JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH. THE ORDINANCES, UH, SEPARATES IT FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN, OR NON-RESIDENTIAL. SO DIFFERENT RATES IN THOSE CATEGORIES. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FEE THING? UM, THE OTHER SLIDESHOW. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RESIDENTIAL. NON-RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS IN SOME CONTEXTS WE CONSIDER APARTMENTS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IN A AND, BUT THEY'RE ALSO RESIDENTIAL. SO WHAT IS, HOW DOES THAT DEFINITION MATCH UP WITH APARTMENTS? I I THINK APARTMENTS ARE CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE IT'S MULTIFAMILY. YEAH. MM-HMM. . THERE'S A ONE THAT'S GOT LIKE, UH, WAREHOUSES SAVE 500,000. UH, YEAH. ARE YOU, ARE YOU WANTING THAT ONE? YEP. OKAY. IF YOU NEED ME. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, COMMERCIAL IS ALL SAVING MONEY. UM, DATA CENTER IS GOING UP FOR YEAH, FOR THE MOST PART. BESIDES DATA CENTER, EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING UP. EVERYTHING'S GOING UP. BUT WAREHOUSE, UM, CAN I JUST ADD ONE CLARIFICATION, ASHLEY? JUST WHISPER TO ME, APARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL. OH, OKAY. SORRY. SO, WELL I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. THAT JUST LIKE MADE IT EASIER FOR ME TO SET THE, THE WATER AT 68 0 8 AND TO SET THE WASTEWATER FOR RESIDENTIAL AT 7,600 AND THE COMMERCIAL AT 12 6 70. I'LL SECOND THAT. ARE WE GONNA CALL IT COMMERCIAL OR NONRESIDENTIAL? NONRESIDENTIAL? WELL, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE APARTMENTS INTO THE HIGHER PAY CATEGORY, WE CAN. AND HERE'S THE REASON I HAVE THIS AT A HUNDRED PERCE AT, AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, WAREHOUSES ARE CHEAPER OFFICES, CHEAPER APARTMENTS COST MORE. THEY'RE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON US. HOTELS ARE CHEAPER, FAST FOOD'S, CHEAPER SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IS CHEAPER. AND THE $10 BILLION DATA CENTER PAYS MORE. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THEM. AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WHILE I HEAR 75% IS ON THE BORDER. THE ONE NOT KNOCKING YOU GUYS, IT'S NOT A HU THING, IT IS A CENTRAL TEXAS THING. BUT THE FIRST THING PEOPLE DO IS THEY START ENGINEERING A PACKAGE PLANT. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN WANNA PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE CITY TO THEN PAY EQUAL. SO YOU STILL GOT THE TIME COMPONENT OF DEALING WITH THE CITY. AND I UNDERSTAND TCQ, BUT IT'S A FORMALITY. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A PROCESS. AND SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCENTIVE TO GO, HEY, COME IN, DEAL WITH OUR BUILDING STANDARDS, DEAL WITH OUR PROCESSES AND IN RETURN YOU COULD SAVE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON YOUR PROJECT. BUT IF WE JUST GO ONE FOR ONE COST WISE, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE NOW PICK UP THE, THAT DON'T PICK UP THE PHONE AND GO PACKAGE PLANT. AND SO I DON'T WANNA INCENTIVIZE HOMES. THEY'RE STILL GETTING A 60% BUMP IN WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. BUT I THINK AT A HUNDRED PERCENT I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS MANY COMMERCIAL PEOPLE WERE GONNA TAKE THAT BIG OF A DROP AND I THINK THEY STILL GET A DROP, WHICH THEY SHOULD STILL BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. SO IT WAS YOUR MOTION FOR RESIDENTIAL 7500 7676, WHICH PUTS IT LIKE 59.99% KNOWING WE CAN, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, WE CAN ALSO GO UP RIGHT NADI, LIKE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO DO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WE CAN ALWAYS AT SOME POINT GO UP AND STOP THE FLOW. WE JUST, YOU YOU CAN ADVERTISE CAN YOUR FEE, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO ABOVE YOUR CEILING, ABOVE YOUR MAX. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M, I'M OKAY. I CAN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THE ORIGINAL MOTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADMIT IT IF YOU DON'T WANT, BUT I'LL JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'D BE ABOUT 14. THAT'D BE 14, 4 0 8 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE TOTAL, WHICH IS I THINK A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN GEORGETOWN [03:35:01] AND PFLUGERVILLE. CHEAPER DISTRICT, BUT NOT TOO FAR. YOU KNOW, NOT TOO FAR OFF A NOSE, BUT BUT SLIGHTLY CHEAPER THAN THOSE. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT US TO BE A MAGNET FOR RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING. WE'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, HEY, HOW DOES OPEN THEIR DOORS? BUT ALSO DON'T WANNA SAY WE'VE CLOSED OUR DOORS BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GONNA COME. MM-HMM, , WE GOT A TON OF ETJ AND THEN WE THINK WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM NOW THEY'RE JUST GONNA BAND TOGETHER AND GO, IT'S OPEN SEASON. WE CAN DO LIKE MEGA PACKAGE PLANTS AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK 'EM INTO IT. WHEREAS RIGHT NOW WE SAY WE GOT CHEAP IMPACT FEES. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. IT'S GONNA MAKE PEOPLE UPSET 'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY WANT US TO HIT THE HOMEOWNERS THE HARDEST AND I GET THAT. BUT THEY ALSO DON'T WANT PACKAGE PLANTS. UM, AND THEN I'M SURE SOME PEOPLE IN THE WAREHOUSE BUSINESS ARE GONNA BE LIKE, YOU COULDN'T CUT IT FOR US A LITTLE BIT. BUT SO YEAH. HOW WOULD, HOW, YEAH, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT SOMEBODY IN THE WAREHOUSE? IT WOULD JUST BE AS IS RIGHT WITH ON THIS TABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO THEY'RE GENERALLY THEY WOULD SEE A DECREASE. THEY WOULD SEE A DECREASE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE SWITCHING FROM LUE TO SERVICE. 'CAUSE WE'RE SWITCHING FROM VARIABLE. VARIABLE TO FIXED. OKAY. TO FIXED. SORRY. YEAH. SO WAREHOUSE WOULD SEE IF THAT COMES IN THAT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THEN WE GAVE IT OTHER VARIABLE TO FIX VALUE, GOT INCREASING SCHOOL POPULATION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK IT'S OKAY. IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE INCENTIVIZING THE TYPE OF USE WE'VE BEEN OKAY WITH LIKE SOME CITIES DON'T WANT WAREHOUSE. WE SEEM TO BE OKAY IF IT'S BUILT US WITH A CERTAIN STANDARD. MAYBE THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF AN INCENTIVE THAT KEEP DOING THAT. AND LIKE CUSTOMER CLARK SAID, IT'S LESS TAXING ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. GENERALLY LESS TAXING ON THE ROADS BECAUSE BIG BUILDINGS WITH LOW, UH, EMPLOYEE AND LOW, UM, LOW VOLUME OF TRAFFIC COMPARED TO APARTMENTS. BUT IN ANY APARTMENT, PEOPLE ARE GONNA RAISE HELL, UM, BECAUSE IT JUST GOT MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT MAYOR, THERE'S, WE JUST GOT TOLD BECAUSE OF RANGE DROPPING, WE'RE OVER PRESCRIBED ACCORDING TO, UH, FROM THE MIDWAY PRESENTATION. SO THE ANOTHER THING THAT'S WORTH CLARIFYING IS SINCE WE'RE CHANGING METHODOLOGY AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS, THIS AFFECTS PLATS GOING FORWARD. OR DO YOU APPLY THE NEW METHODOLOGY TO PLATS THAT ARE ALREADY IN, LOCKED IN UNDER THE OLD METHODOLOGY, LOCKED IN UNDER THE OLD, UH, RATES? I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO OFFER THE 90 DAY. WELL WE, OR I THINK HE SAID FEBRUARY OF 25. HE SAID FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY ALREADY. SO ARE YOU WILLING TO BRING IT BACK A MONTH EARLIER? ? SO THERE'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S PART OF THIS ITEM, BUT THERE'S A SUBSEQUENT ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE FEE SCHEDULE PORTION. OKAY. AND THAT FEE SCHEDULE PORTION, WHAT WHAT I RECOMMENDED IS THAT THIS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT FEBRUARY OF 2025. OKAY. AND SO THEN THAT'S WHEN ANY, ANY, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE READS IS ANY PLAT APPROVED AFTER FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025 OR WHATEVER DATE YOU GUYS SELECT, THAT'S WHEN THIS NEW PROCESS AND THESE NEW COSTS WOULD START. SO ANYTHING BEFORE THAT, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FEE SCHEDULE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE TIERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE PRIOR TO 2013, BETWEEN 2013 AND 2018, AND THEN BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020 AND THEN BETWEEN, SO WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE TIERS AND EACH ONE OF THOSE REQUIRES A DIFFERENT PROCESS AND A DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO THIS WOULD BE THE SAME WAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF I HAVE A PLOT FROM 2021 AND I COME IN TO BUILD MY PROJECT NOW AND I HAVE A TWO INCH METER, I'M SORRY. I HAVE A ONE AND A HALF INCH METER AND I'M A WAREHOUSE, I'M GOING TO PAY EFFECTIVELY THE EXISTING RATE TIMES THE OLD WAY OF CALCULATING THE OLD. CORRECT. SO, SO MY RATE AS OF 21 TIMES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT I HAVE ON THE VARIABLE SCALE. CORRECT. OKAY. VERSUS IF I COME IN AND PLOT TODAY OR PLA FEBRUARY OR BETWEEN, IS IT BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY? I DUNNO. WHAT DID YOU SAY? IF YOU PLA IF YOU PLA AFTER FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025. ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU PLA AFTER FEBRUARY, THEN YOU WOULD PAY THE, THEN PAY NEW SYSTEM WOULD PAY WAY LESS. SO EVERYONE WHO HAS A 21 PLOT OR OLDER SHOULD BE COMING INTO REPL AFTER FEBRUARY TO RESET THEIR RATES TO THE NEW CALCULATION AND THE NEW FEES. BUT JAMES, YOU JUST LOST THIS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR EVERY 200,000 SQUARE FOOT. . , YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY A FEE. YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, I'D SAY THIS OTHER THING, YOU COULD DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL'S CHANGED, BUT SOME REQUIREMENTS MAY HAVE CHANGED. AND SO NOT ONLY YOU'RE PAYING TO GO BACK TO THE PROCESS AGAIN. YEAH. YOU ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CITY AGAIN. RIGHT. AND GO NOT LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN UPDATED, BUT YOU GOTTA GO TO P AND Z, YOU GOTTA HAVE ALL THESE MEETINGS. AND SO YOU COULD DIRECTLY [03:40:01] DO THAT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED IN THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SOME OTHER DRAINAGE STUDY YOU HAVE TO DO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GRANDFATHERED IN THAT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR PLAS. BUT YEAH, THE THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU DID THAT, IF YOU CAME BACK IN AND PLATTED RE PLATTED FROM YOUR 2021 TO YOUR 2025, THEN NOW YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHATEVER REGULATIONS ARE IN PLACE BY THE CITY. AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENGINEERING STAFF. MM. YEAH. FAIR . AND THE ONE BEFORE, REMEMBER LIVE VOTE DOESN'T MATCH UP. SO YEAH. YEAH. BACK IN THE, UH, WHY DO YOU CALL THEM THE, THE NOT THE GOOD OLD DAYS? UH, BEFORE TIMES. THE BEFORE TIMES. VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. YEAH, BEFORE TIMES. ALL RIGHT. UM, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. SO NOW WE HAVE THE AMENDED MOTION, WHICH WILL BE THE WATER SET AT 68 0 8. THE RESIDENTIAL WASTEWATER SET AT 7,600 AND THE COMMERCIAL SET AT 12,670. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PROAM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. IT BRINGS US TO ITEM NINE ONE BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE ONE. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF CLEANUP THAT PERTAIN TO THIS ORDINANCE. I THINK YOU OUGHT TO VOTE TO ADD A DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL TO THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE FEBRUARY DATE, BECAUSE IN YOUR ORDINANCE IT SAYS, UH, SEPTEMBER 30TH. ARE WE CHANGING THAT TO FEBRUARY, 2025? THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS I'D LIKE YOU TO VOTE ON. TO CLARIFY, WHICH ORDINANCE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE. OH, OKAY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, I, PAGE EIGHT IN THE PACKET. SO WHEN WE STARTED THE IMPACT FEES, WE STARTED THEM AND THEN FEBRUARY WAS THE DATE THAT WE THEY'LL GO INTO THAT. YEAH. AND SO THEN THE NEXT TIME WE DID IT, IT WAS FEBRUARY TO WHATE. AND SO THIS, UM, NEW DATE IS GONNA BE, IF IT'S FEBRUARY 1ST, THAT'S A, UM, SATURDAY SUN SUNDAY, I THINK. SUNDAY, FEBRUARY. UH, OKAY. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I JUST THIRD, FEBRUARY 3RD IS A MONDAY. OKAY. WHICH IS, I THINK, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO THE TWO THINGS WOULD BE TO ADD DEFINITIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL TO THE ORDINANCE IN THE PACKET. AND THEN THE PLATS. THE LOTS PLATTED AFTER FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025. ALL RIGHT. THEN A MOTION TO, IN REGARDS TO THE WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE, TO SET THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO BE FOR PLATS AFTER FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025. AND TO SET A DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL TO WHAT? BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH, DO WE HAVE 'EM IN THE UDCA DEFINITION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL? UH, MAYBE BE MORE BASED ON THE ICC CODES ON HOW WE PROCESS THOSE PERMITS. BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE'LL USE THE DEFINITIONS. YEAH, WE CAN GET YOU SOMETHING. AND IF YOU WOULD SEND THOSE TO ME TOMORROW. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR NOW. THE RESIDENTIAL CODE TO BE SET PER THE INTERNATIONAL, WHAT IS THAT? IT'S I-C-C-I-C-C IS THE BUILDING CODES THAT WE ADOPT. WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL? INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL. AND THE ICC INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO DO? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S, I'LL DO THAT MOTION SECOND. IT ALL SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN KOLAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. MAYOR PER TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. ALRIGHT, NOW WE GO TO ITEM NINE ONE. [9.1. Conduct the first of two public hearings on Resolution No. R-2024-199, amending the Strategic Partnership Agreement and the limited purpose annexation of 4.881 acres of Williamson County Water, Sewer, Irrigation, and Drainage District No. 3. (Sara Cervantes)] CONDUCT THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 1 99. AMENDING THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT AND THE LIMITED PURPOSE AND ATION OF 4.881 ACRES OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY WATER SEWER IRRIGATION AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT NUMBER THREE. AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE'D JUST LIKE YOU TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLICATION DIDN'T GO INTO THE NEWSPAPER ON THIS EXACT DATE. IT'S FOR OCTOBER 3RD. IT WAS [03:45:01] JUST INADVERTENTLY PLACED ON THIS AGENDA BY MISTAKE. ALRIGHT, SO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES. AT 10:45 PM ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. SO YOU WANT FROM THE, THE PUBLIC? I WOULD GO, GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT. THE NEXT OCTOBER 3RD AGENDA, WE WILL RE WE'LL PUT OPEN UP AGAIN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'LL CLOSE IT AT 10:46 PM ON SEPTEMBER 19TH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TEN ONE, [10.1. Consideration and possible action regarding possible appointments, re-appointments and/or removals to City Boards, Commissions, Task Forces, Economic Development Corporations, Local Government Corporations and Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Boards, and Area Government appointments.] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSSIBLE APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND OR REMOVALS TO CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TASK FORCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS AND TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE BOARDS AND AREA GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENTS. MAYOR, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT, BUT WE DO, I'M WORKING ON A NUMBER OF, UH, INTERVIEWS, UM, IN A WEEK AND A HALF THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, SEVERAL NOMINATIONS FOR THE, WHATEVER IT IS. THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING. ALRIGHT, THIS THING COMES UP HERE. I I, WHEN I ASK YOU GUYS A QUESTION, I, I'LL EMAIL YOU. THERE'S A PERSON WHO, WHOSE HUSBAND HAS PUT APPLICATION A COUPLE TIMES AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S NOT SHOWING UP IN THE SYSTEM. THERE, THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS ALSO REPORTED TO ME. WAS IT THE ETHICS COMMISSION? I BELIEVE SO, YES. THAT, THAT ISSUE WAS REPORTED TO ME. I DIG INTO IT. KATE DUG INTO IT. IT'S FIXED. OKAY, I SEE. I SAW FULLS. IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON IT SHOULD BE FIXED. YEAH, I THINK SO. WE GOT A SLEW THAT, UH, CAME THROUGH THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR 10? ONE. ALRIGHT, 11 ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH TWO SIX. REGARDING, THIS IS CONSENT, CONSENT, CONSENT. OH, YEP. SORRY. I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE THERE ALREADY. CONSENT, CONFIRM CONSENT. OKAY. WELL, WHAT IF WE COULD JUST HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. NORMALLY WE ASK IF THERE'S [11. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ] ANY CONSENT ITEMS PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE REMOVED. SURE. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ITEMS 11 ONE THROUGH 1118. ARE THERE ANY THAT ANYONE ON COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE REMOVED TO DISCUSS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AS PRESENTED. I MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. ANY DISCUSSION? AND I GUESS THE ONE, UM, 1110. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT. ANY, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR FOR TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LAR AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. I DO, I GUESS I KNOW IT'S LATE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE. I ASKED YOU A QUESTION, DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE ZONES? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECALL THAT ITEM? YEAH, YEAH, SURE. I GUESS IF WE DO, OKAY. THERES NO, THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. WE'LL RECALL ITEM 1110. OKAY. SO I HAVE, HOLD ON A MINUTE. SO NOW WE HAVE ITEM 1110 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH TWO 15, SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE WITHIN THE CITY. DIRECTING THE CITY SECRETARY TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF SAID PUBLIC HEARING AND DIRECTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND CAP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE . OKAY, SO MY QUESTION TO THE CITY MANAGER WAS, OKAY, SO SINCE WE'RE DOING THE, THE ZONES, SO, AND WE'RE DOING THE FLAT FEE ACROSS THE ZONES, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THEM FOR THE AREAS. WHEN YOU COLLECT THOSE, THOSE IMPACT FEES, DO THOSE FEES HAVE TO LIKE STAY IN THAT AREA? YES. BY LAW THEY'RE COLLECTED IN A ZONE AND THEY'RE SPENT ON THOSE PROJECTS IN THAT AREA. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S YEAH, I ASKED THAT AND JUST CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. AND I KNOW THAT WE JUST HAD YOU GUYS PUT A BRIDGE BACK ON. NOW WE JUST SUSPENDED A BRIDGE SO I KNOW THAT MAY CAUSE AN ISSUE IN 10 YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE. OH MY GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT WE ALSO DID NOT SET IT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT AND SO WE SAID IT YEAH, WE SENT IT LESS THAN THAT. AND I'M STILL OKAY THAT IF IN 10 YEARS, I'M SURE OUR COUNTY DEPARTMENT WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO CUT CHECKS. GOD, SHOULD THAT HAPPEN. 'CAUSE WE ALSO HAVE INCREASED COSTS AND STUFF THEN, BUT, SO I JUST, [03:50:01] OH, I'LL VISIT WITH STAFF ON THAT. WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL CALCULATION WON THAT DID NOT HAVE A LOT OF THAT COST IN THERE, BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE EXCLUDING IT ALL TOGETHER, IT MIGHT CHANGE IT, BUT WE'LL GET WITH STAFF MAYBE. WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING IT. WE'RE CHANGING THE DESIGN. SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED MILLION IT'S 50 MILLION, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE AND THERE'LL STILL BE SOME COSTS PROBABLY. SO YEAH, I WAS GONNA THROW OUT YOU LIKE I I AND THAT'S WHY I SAID DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE? I'M LIKE, OKAY, WE'LL JUST KEEP ON GOING. . ALRIGHT. FINE. THANK YOU THOUGH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YEAH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PUSH AND PULL, SO I APPRECIATE IT. HE WANTED TO BE HERE AGAIN UNTIL MIDNIGHT. . ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION FOR 1110. UH, MOTION TO MOTION. PRESENT A SECOND. SECOND. MOTION BY, WELL WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT ONCE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OH THAT'S TRUE. YEP. THAT'S TRUE. WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST HAVE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DANETTE BRINGS THIS [12.1. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-060 amending the budget for fiscal year October 1, 2023 through September 30, 2024 (Alberta Barrett)] UP TO ITEM 12 ONE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH SIX AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024. GOOD EVENING. ALBERTA BARRETT, FINANCE DIRECTOR. UM, SO FOR THE END OF THE YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT, UM, WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET WAS EACH LINE ITEM THAT WAS HAVING AN END INTO YEAR AMENDMENT, UM, AND WHAT THE REVISED LINE ITEM OR BUDGET FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UM, LINE ITEM WAS, UM, WITH THE TOTAL OF THOSE CHANGES. UM, BUT IT'S NOT INCLUSIVE OF ALL. SO, UM, TO CLARIFY, AFTER THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, YOUR REVENUES ARE 30,225,726 AND EXPENDITURES AT 29 MILLION 562 1 75, WHICH ADDS TO OUR FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT $634,000. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA FINISH YEAR $633,551 OVER BUDGET. YES. WE SHOULD RECEIVE MORE REVENUE, NOT OVER BUDGET. NOT OVER BUDGET, BUT ADD TO THE FUND. WE'LL HAVE SIX, YEAH, I GUESS WRONG TERMINOLOGY. 6 3 3 5 51. AND ADDITIONAL REVENUE THEN BUDGETED. YES. RIGHT, WHICH WILL GO DOWN. REVENUES FUND BALANCE EXPENDITURES, WHICH WILL GO DOWN TO OUR, UH, RESERVE. IT'LL GO TO THE FUND BALANCE, YES. OKAY. AND THEN IN THE UTILITY FUND, UM, SAME EFFECT, UM, EXCEPT THERE YOU HAVE, UH, REVENUES AT, UM, 29 MILLION 605 0 38 AND EXPENSES AT 28 MILLION 962 2 70. AGAIN ADDING TO YOUR FUND BALANCE OF 600 BY 642,768. IS THAT ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE? YES IT IS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THANK YOU. SORRY. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. AND, AND, OKAY. UTILITY FUND, SAME THING. UP. 6 42 MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN I GUESS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN GO THROUGH ANY PARTICULAR, UM, LINE ITEM. BUT IN SUMMARY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET HAS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CLARK. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN LAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR. AYE. MAYOR TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 12 THREE [12.3. Consideration and possible action on Ordinance No. O-2024-062 amending the fee schedule, Appendix A Fee schedule, section A5.004. Engineering (Matt Rector) ] CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON ORDINANCE NUMBER O DASH 2024 DASH 0 6 2 AMENDING THE FEE SCHEDULE APPENDIX A FEE SCHEDULE SECTION A 5.004 ENGINEERING. I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD JUST HAVE SAT UP HERE TONIGHT. UM, , SO IN YOUR PACKET WE HAVE, UH, AN UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE FOR YOU GUYS. UH, IT'S A LOT OF CHANGES BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE FORMAT ENTIRELY TO MAKE IT A CLEANER, MORE PROFESSIONAL LOOK. UM, I DID MY BEST TO TRY TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW YOU ON THE OLD VERSION ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED ON THE NEW VERSION, ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED AND THEN WHAT THE CLEAN NEW VERSION LOOKS LIKE. THE, UH, THE BIG CHANGES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THERE. UH, UTILITY RATES WERE UPDATED THROUGH, UM, ALBERTA'S TEAM TO REFLECT ACTUAL COST OF SERVICE, THE PARK RATES. SO IN THE OLD VERSION WE HAD DIFFERENT RATES FOR EVERY DIFFERENT PARK. AND SO JEFF AND HIS TEAM HAVE NOW MADE THOSE MORE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE PARKS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR EVERYONE. UH, [03:55:01] WE'VE UPDATED THE IMPACT FEES IN THERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE DATE 'CAUSE I TO SET, SET IT FOR FEBRUARY 1ST, NOT THINKING THAT THAT WAS A SUNDAY, BUT UH, WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT ONE CHANGED. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, ON THE DEVELOPMENT FRONT, ASHLEY AND I HAVE WORKED TOGETHER WITH OUR TEAMS TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL COSTS TO THE CITY FOR ALL THE VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS WE WENT THROUGH AND SAID WHICH ITEMS ARE NO LONGER VALID BECAUSE WE DON'T EVER DO, WE DON'T DO THEM ANYMORE. OR WHICH ITEMS DO WE DO THAT AREN'T EVEN IN HERE? AND SO LIKE YOU'LL SEE LIKE A DRAINAGE, DRAINAGE REPORT ANALYSIS. UM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT WE WERE PAYING A THIRD PARTY ENGINEER TO REVIEW THAT, BUT WE WEREN'T PASSING THOSE COSTS ONTO ANYBODY. THAT WAS JUST A COST THAT THE TAXPAYERS WERE PAYING TO REVIEW THESE REPORTS SUBMITTED BY DEVELOPERS. SO WE'VE ADDED THOSE KIND OF FEES IN THERE. AND THEN, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT TAKES STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS AND CAME UP WITH A COST TO TRY TO RECOUP AS MUCH OF THOSE COSTS AS WE COULD. SO THAT'S A LOT OF CHANGES. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE ASHLEY KNOWS, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME LIKE THIS, LIKE THE ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FEES WERE UPDATED AS KIND OF LIKE A OVERHAUL FOURTH OF RECORD? ASHLEY BAILEY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR? SORRY. UH, NO. NO. UM, I KNOW THAT WE DID, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT THE LAST TIME WE'VE DONE ANYTHING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FEES OR DEVELOPMENT FEES IN GENERAL WAS WHEN WE REDID THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FEES BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY LOW. UM, WHEN DID THAT OCCUR? DO YOU GOSH, THAT WAS EASILY THREE YEARS AGO. OKAY. SO WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE A FULL STUDY LIKE THIS ON OUR FEES, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, SO ON NEARLY SEVEN YEARS. AND THEN BEFORE THAT I THINK I FOUND SOMETHING FROM 2015. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YEP. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED WITH ONE CHANGE, UM, TO STRIKE THE INCREASE ON RESIDENT PARK FEES INCREASES AND KEEP 'EM AT THE, HOW THEY ORIGINALLY WERE SET. WHICH PAGE IS THAT? YEAH, UM, I'LL SECOND THAT. UM, THAT IS JUST, CAN YOU TELL US THE NUMBER AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THREE AND TWO IS ARTICLE A 4.000 PAGE 5 85 OF THE PACKET. LEMME GET THAT WRONG. AND MY REASONING FOR THAT IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE, THE PARKS ARE GETTING USED. I DON'T THINK, I HAVEN'T EVER HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT A FULL PARK, BUT I DO GET COMPLAINTS SOMETIMES THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THEM AND DIDN'T RESERVE YOU, GET LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT ALSO I GOTTA KEEP, FOR ME PERSONALLY, PEOPLE ALREADY PAY TAXES FOR THE PARKS AND SO TO PAY TAXES AND THEN TO COME AROUND THEN HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO USE THE PARK YOU ALREADY PAID FOR. I UNDERSTAND SOME, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT WEAR AND TEAR, BUT I DON'T MIND JACKING IT UP FOR NON-RESIDENTS. BUT AS WE BUILD OUT OUR PARK SYSTEM, UM, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MAKE PEOPLE NOT NOT UTILIZE A PARK JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA PAY THE FEE. SO WHAT'S THE CHANGE THEN? WHAT'S YOUR MOTION? IT JUST KEEPS A RESIDENT PARK FEES AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE. SO LIKE, SAY HU COMMUNITY PARK GOES FROM UH, $70 TO A HALF DAY TO 140 AND FROM 150 A DAY TO 300. AND IT'S JUST TO KEEP 'EM LIKE THEY WERE, BUT THE NON-RESIDENT WOULD STILL GO UP. BUT WAIT, BUT HOLD, HOLD ON. BUT THEY CHANGED IT TO, TO MAKE, THEY CHANGED IT TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL PARKS. SO THEY'RE THE SAME AMOUNT. SO HOW DO YOU ROLL THAT BACK? 'CAUSE NOW YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU WANT SOME PARKS TO COST MORE THAN OTHERS. SO THEN THAT'S DISENFRANCHISING TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY AND THEY HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THE PARK CLOSEST TO THEM. HOLD ON. NO, NO ONE SAID THAT. I JUST USED, I USED ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WERE DOING. THE MOTION, SIR, IS TO APPROVE ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE PRESENTED BUT TO NOT INCREASE THE PRICE OF PARKS FOR RESIDENTS. SO, NO, NO. SO THAT, OKAY, SO LEMME LEMME DO THIS. SO FRITZ PARK, THOSE THAT LIVE BY FRITZ PARK WOULD PAY NO INCREASE IN PARK FEES FOR FRITZ PARK, WHEREVER THEY LIVE. SO THAT'S, YOU LEAVE IT AT TWENTY A HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE HUNDRED FORTY THREE HUNDRED HU. COMMUNITY PARK WOULD STAY AT 10 71 50. ADAM ORAIN WOULD STAY AT 21 4300 HU. LAKE PARK PAVILION WOULD STAY AT 10 71 50. GLENWOOD PAVILION WOULD STAY AT 10 71 50. UM, FIELD WOULD STAY AT ONE 50 HOURLY. UM, CREEK FIELD, [04:00:01] UH, WOULD BE STAY AT 25. UM, SO, BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHY IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE HU COMMUNITY PARK PAVILION TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, WHY AREN'T YOU REDUCING FRITZ PARK TO BE, WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO INCREASE THE FEES, THEY'RE TRYING TO EQUALIZE IT SO THAT NO MATTER WHAT PARK YOU GO TO, YOU PAY THE SAME RATE FOR A PAVILION IF, IF IT'S IN HUDA COMMUNITY PARK OR IF IT'S IN FRITZ PARK OR IF IT'S WHEREVER. RIGHT. YOU'RE, THEIR INTENTION WAS TO JUST EQUALIZE IT SO THAT YOU'RE PAYING THE SAME RATE NO MATTER WHAT PARK YOU GO TO. BUT IN EQUALIZING EVERY SINGLE FEE WENT UP. NOT EVERY SINGLE, LIKE FRITZ PARK DIDN'T GO UP AND ALSO NEW INFIELD ACTUALLY WENT DOWN. OKAY. WELL FROM ONE 50 TO 100. SO IF YOU GUYS WANNA AMEND IT, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY TO WHERE WELL NOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK UP FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PARK HOW MUCH IT COSTS. INSTEAD WE COULD JUST HAVE ONE THING AND SAY IT'S THIS. NOW I AGREE THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR JEFF EXPLAIN. WELL I ALSO THINK IF YOU, IF YOU RENT THE FRITZ PARK LARGE PAVILION, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS PERSONALLY. UM, I THINK THE PAVILION AT SAY ADAM OR GAIN IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER DEAL THAN MAYBE AT HU COMMUNITY PARK. BUT, BUT I ALSO DON'T MIND IF YOU GUYS WANNA DROP THE FEES. I DON'T MIND DROPPING 'EM ALL. I MEAN NOTHING DON'T TEMP ME WITH A GOOD TIME. I THINK AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR 'EM SO IT SHOULD BE A NOMINAL FEE. SO JEFF, COULD YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WE'RE CHECKING ON A FEE SCHEDULE. UH, RIGHT NOW THE, WHAT I HAD IN MY PROPOSAL WAS NOT ADDING, THE ONLY ADDITION TO THE FEES THAT WE HAD WAS THE GEN BUILDING BEING ADDED ON THERE AND THEN THE REDUCTION IN THE, UH, FIELD FOR THE, UH, WIND FIELD TO MAKE ALL THE FIELDS JUST A HUNDRED DOLLARS. THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. IS WHEN YOU COMBINED ALL THE PARKS INTO ONE AND YOU SAID IT TO ONE RATE, LIKE THIS WENT FROM 10 TO 20. YEAH, I THINK THAT GOT CHANGED. HOW ABOUT LET'S JUST MAKE IT A HUNDRED BUCKS, A HUNDRED BUCKS AND I'M OKAY. HOW ABOUT THAT'S THAT, YEAH. FOR RESIDENTS. I GUESS LEMME ASK YOU THIS JEFF, HYPOTHETICALLY, IS THERE A REASON TO HAVE FRITZ AND ADAM HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER COST BECAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER PARKS AND THE SMALLER ONES OR IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION ALL ONE PRICE? YEAH, SO HUDDLE COMMUNITY WAS LOWER END BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RESTROOM. SO WE'VE ADDED A RESTROOM THERE. SO THAT BECOMES A MORE RENTABLE, COMMUNITY RENTABLE OPTION AND THE REST OF 'EM, UM, I BELIEVE WERE BASED ON SIZE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT JUST STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. WELL THEN HERE'S WHAT I'LL DO. OKAY. I'LL TRY TO AMEND THIS TO BE THAT THE HOURLY RATE FOR PARKS BE $10, THE HALF DAY RATE BE 70, THE FULL RATE BE ONE 50 FOR ALL PARKS AND THAT, UM, LIGHTS HOURLY GOES TO A HUNDRED FOR ALL THE FIELDS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE THE TWO THAT ARE HIGHER DOWN. MM-HMM. THE TWO, THE REST ARE ONE PRICE WOULD KEEP THEM ALL THE SAME. THAT'S AN EASY FIX FOR US. OKAY THEN THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS. DO YOU WANT TO, IS THE FEES PRESENTED TO THE GYM BUILDING? YOU WANT TO NO, I'M FINE. KEEP THOSE AS PRESENTED OR YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. YEP. AND THAT'S ONLY CHANGING RESIDENTIAL FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? THE RE THE RESIDENT FEE FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE NON-RESIDENT? NO. JUST NON-RESIDENT WILL BE AS PRESENTED. YEAH. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M FINE WITH THAT, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I MAKE ALL PARKS BE $10 AN HOUR TO USE TWO HOUR MINIMUM. JEFF DOES THAT A HALF DAY RATE TO BE 70. THE FULL DAY RATE TO BE ONE 50 AND THE LIGHTS TO BE RENTED AT A HUNDRED AN HOUR IF IT PASSES. JEFF, DOES THAT DO ANYTHING TO LIKE COSTS FOR, FOR MAINTAINING THESE PARKS FOR STAFF FOR NO CHANGING ANY OF THOSE FEES. OKAY. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, UM, A WAY FOR US TO PREVENT DOUBLE BOOKINGS, SETTING A FEE, UM, KEEPING PEOPLE KIND OF HONEST WITH THE DEPOSIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY CLEAN IT UP AND THERE'S NOT LEAVING A MESS FOR THE NEXT NEXT PARTY. ALRIGHT. DO YOU NEED A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, I JUST CALL VOTE. SORRY MR. MAYOR, CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SURE. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS POINTED OUT ON THE EARLIER ITEM WAS THAT I SET THE IMPACT FEE TO START FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025. IS THAT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED [04:05:01] AS PART OF HIS MOTION THAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT? 'CAUSE WE DID IT ON THE PREVIOUS OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED FOR THE RECORD? LET'S, FOR THE RECORD, LET'S PUT IT FEBRUARY 3RD FOR THE IMPACT FEES. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. CHANGE FEBRUARY 3RD WITH THE UPDATED IMPACT FEES. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR PROAM GARDEN. AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. NEXT BRINGS [13.1. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-222 adopting the Parks and Recreation Master Plan. (Jeff White)] US UP TO ITEM 13, ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTS ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 2 22, ADOPTING A PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF WHITE, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, BEFORE YOU. TONIGHT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS IS THE THIRD PLAN THAT WE HAD COMPLETED THIS YEAR. THAT'LL BE ALL SERVE ALL WILL SERVE AS A GUIDING DOCUMENTS FOR US. WE HAD OUR ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY, OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN, AND FINALLY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION, PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS IS A PART OF THE FY 24 BUDGET. IT CAME OUTTA THE PARK LAND IMPROVEMENT FUND. UH, WE HAD, UH, OVER 1,251 RESPONSES AS WELL AS, UM, ENGAGEMENT IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH OUR FUTURE PARK USERS. AND SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MARY KYLER WITH CLARK CONN, WHO'S GONNA DO A PRESENTATION ON THE PLAN. EXCELLENT. UM, HE'S GOING TO PULL UP A PRESENTATION OR SOMEONE IS, UM, SO AS JEFF SAID, I'M MARY KYLER WITH CLARK CONN. UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, PARKS MASTER PLAN SINCE LAST FALL. SO WE'RE HERE TO REPORT BACK ON IT. UM, WELL BEAR WITH ME . OKAY. SO THE PLAN SIMILAR TO THE PARKS, UM, TO THE TRAILS PLAN, IT WENT, UNDERWENT THE SAME PROCESS. SO IT STARTED WITH AN ANALYSIS PHASE WHERE WE LOOKED INTO THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE PARK SYSTEM. UM, FROM THERE WE CONDUCTED THE TRAIL SURVEY, UM, AND PARKS SURVEY SIMULTANEOUSLY, UM, WITH THE, UM, GATHERING THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, WE STARTED TO WORK ON PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS. AND AT THAT TIME IS WHEN WE CAME AND VISITED WITH YOU, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO. AND SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE TAKEN, UM, YOUR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND INTEGRATED THOSE INTO THE PLAN AS WELL AS THE GUIDANCE, UM, FROM JEFF AS WE WORKED THROUGH THE FINAL MASTER PLAN. UM, SO AS PART OF THAT, UM, HAVE, UM, SEVERAL HIGHLIGHTS, BUT I'LL LET THEM PULL IT UP BEFORE I CONTINUE. WELL, THANKS FOR STAYING. ABSOLUTELY. HOPE WE MADE IT WORTH YOUR TIME TO BE HERE TILL 11 O'CLOCK AND HUDDLE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT. IT'S DEFINITELY LATE. WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE HOURS IN US. WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. YEAH, SOMEONE SHOULD WARN ME I NEEDED MORE COFFEE. WE GET PACKED UP ABOUT 12 O'CLOCK , I THOUGHT WE WERE ALMOST DONE. HAVE YOU SEEN THE EXECUTIVE AGENDA? ? YOU NEED A DRIVE OR ANYTHING? GOT IT. YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT STUFF. I WAS GOOD TO ME. LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT, BEAR WITH ME. THAT'S OKAY. UM, IT SECURITY. UM, WHILE SHE KEEPS WORKING ON THAT, UM, TO START, WE SET SOME OVERARCHING VISION ITEMS FOR THE MASTER PLAN. UM, SO THERE ARE SEVEN, UM, KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS. FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS TO FOCUS ON RENOVATING THE EXISTING FACILITIES. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE REACHING THEIR LIFECYCLE. UM, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN. IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, BOTH FROM OBSERVATION AND SURVEY FEEDBACK WAS THE NEED TO INCREASE SHADE THROUGHOUT THE PARKS. SO THAT IS BEING ACHIEVED THROUGH BOTH, UM, STRUCTURES AND THEN ALSO [04:10:01] THROUGH INCREASED PLANTING. SO AS PART OF THIS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IS WHAT WE HAVE CATEGORIZED AS NATURAL FEATURE ENHANCEMENTS, AND THOSE INCLUDE ALL OF THE PLANTING STRATEGIES AND WAYS TO MAKE THE PARKS COOLER AND MORE ENJOYABLE, UM, FOR VISITORS. UM, ANOTHER BIG THING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS, UM, WAS TO DIVERSIFY THE PLAY EXPERIENCE. UM, AS PART OF THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UM, PROPOSED SEVERAL NEW PLAYGROUNDS, BOTH FOR PLACEMENT OF SOME OF THE EXISTING AND THEN SOME IN NEW PARKS. UM, AND THEN SOME IN THE UNDEVELOPED PARKS AS WELL. UM, TO BUILD ON THAT, IT WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND WORK ON THE, UM, UNDEVELOPED PARKS. YOU HAVE SEVERAL PARKLANDS THAT CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY IMPROVEMENTS. UM, ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS TO INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UH, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN A FEW MONTHS AGO. UM, SO IN THIS, IT UH, TOOK IT INTO CONSIDERATION, HOWEVER, THE MAIN RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, LIE WITHIN THAT OTHER REPORT. AND THEN FINALLY INCREASING THE PROGRAMMING AND AMENITIES SO THAT THERE'S MORE, UM, DIVERSIFIED, UH, PLAY OPPORTUNITIES AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, INCREASING THE PARKLAND AS YOUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW. AND SO REALLY THIS, UH, IS A GUIDE, UM, THE DOCUMENT TO HELP YOU, UH, PRIORITIZE PARKS AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND WHAT IS IN THEM IN THE COMING YEARS. BUT OF COURSE THAT WILL BE DEPENDENT ON HOW THE POPULATION CHANGES AND GROWS. UM, SO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE UNDERWENT THE NRPA, UM, THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION, UM, BASELINE STUDIES. AND THEN IN THIS, IT ALLOWS US TO IDENTIFY WHERE THERE MIGHT BE GAPS IN THE SYSTEM. AND WE DID THIS STUDY BASED ON BOTH YOUR CURRENT POPULATION AND YOUR PROJECTED POPULATION. AND THIS ALLOWS, UM, FOR US TO PROVIDE A GUIDING MECHANISM. HOWEVER, UM, THIS IS ONLY A BASELINE AND IT MUST BE INFORMED BY THIS, UM, SURVEY PROCESS, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. SO FROM THIS KIND OF, UM, GAVE US A PLACE TO START. AND SINCE AFTER THIS WE WENT AHEAD AND ADAPTED AND UPDATED THIS BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED IN THE SURVEY. UM, OTHER ELEMENTS TO THIS, WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, IS LOOKING TO THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT YOU MAY NEED TO ADD TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE RECREATIONAL SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE STANDARDS WOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU WOULD NEED 407 NEW ACRES OF PARKLAND, UM, TO BE AN AVERAGE SERVICE PROVIDER ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. AND SO AS PART OF THIS, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD NEW PARKLAND OR WHERE THEY SHOULD POTENTIALLY GO BASED UPON THE, UM, GROWTH IN THE CITY. BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SECOND OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT WILL BE THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRAILS THEMSELVES. SO SHE'S TRYING TO GET THE, UH, TEAMS SCREEN SHARE TO BEING ADVANCING WHILE YOU'RE ADVANCING. SO WE MAY JUST HAVE TO DO IT MANUALLY, JUST MAKE THAT, JUST EX JUST EXPAND THAT UP INSTEAD OF DOING THE SLIDESHOW. THAT IS THE ONE I'M SHARING. YEAH, BUT MAKE THAT BIG FOR US OVER HERE. AND THEN YOU JUST MANUALLY MOVE ON HER, UH, ON HER DIRECTION. IF YOU HIT THIS, IF YOU HIT THE SLIDESHOW BUTTON NOW, WILL THAT ONE GO TO SLIDESHOW? NO. OKAY. SO JUST HIT, HIT ESCAPE AND THEN JUST MANUALLY ADVANCE IT. CAN HE NOT SEE THAT? I, I CAN SEE IT, BUT THAT'S NOT DOING THE SLIDESHOW. RIGHT. SO JUST MANUALLY ADVANCE FROM HERE AND THAT'LL BE FINE FOR TONIGHT. ALRIGHT, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. UM, SO, UM, AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS PROCESS, AS I MENTIONED, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE PARKS IN THE EXISTING SYSTEM. THE TWO NUMBER DIFFERENT COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON THE NUMBERS, THE DARKER BLUE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED. AND THE LIGHTER BLUES ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED. UM, BUT DO NOT HAVE EXTENSIVE, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON 'EM, IF ANY AT ALL. AND SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THOSE LOCATIONS AS OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPANDING THE SYSTEM. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'D UNDERWENT THE ANALYSIS PORTION AND THIS WAS ABLE TO HELP GIVE US, UM, A SENSE OF WHAT THE EXISTING PARK SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE AND WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENTS, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO AGING FACILITIES. AND THEN ALSO TO UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHAT, UM, RECREATIONAL AMENITIES MIGHT BE MISSING THAT THE COMMUNITY MAY NEED WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM. AND SO FROM THE ANALYSIS PHASE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH YOU WILL SEE, UM, ARE SOME OF THE SURVEY RESULTS, UM, WE, UH, SELECTED A FEW FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED. UM, SOME RESPONSES, UM, AS WE WENT OVER DURING THE TRAILS DISCUSSION, IT WAS THE NUMBER ONE RATED ITEM. UM, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOUND IN THE OTHER REPORT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, OTHER UM, ELEMENTS INCLUDE INCREASING PLAYGROUNDS. UM, THERE WAS A DEMAND FOR SWIMMING AS WELL AS SPLASH PADS AND SOME ADDITIONAL EXERCISE STATIONS. UM, WITHIN THE REPORT. UM, WE DID NOT INCLUDE, UM, A SPECIFIC SITE FOR SWIMMING [04:15:01] OR AQUATICS AS THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT AS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH THE YMCA. SO THERE IS NO, UM, DEDICATED, UM, SWIMMING AND AQUATICS FACILITY, UM, CITED IN THIS PARTICULAR REPORT. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PASSIVE, UM, RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, ONCE AGAIN ANCHORED BY THE TRAILS AND THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH, UM, SUPPORT AMENITIES FOR THOSE NATURE TRAIL SYSTEMS INCLUDING PICNIC AREAS, NATURE AREAS, AND JUST GENERAL OPEN SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLORE. OVERALL, UM, THE RESPONDENTS, UM, 50 PER 56% OF THEM ARE REGULAR PARK USERS. UM, SO THAT HELPED GIVE US A GOOD BASELINE, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY IN YOUR PARKS TODAY. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE CHART ON THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER, UM, UH, CORRELATES WELL WITH THE OTHER RESPONSES. ONCE AGAIN, KEEPING THE, UM, PARKS AND TRAILS, UH, I MEAN THE TRAIL SYSTEM AS THE PRIMARY DEMAND ITEM FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY ENHANCING AND RENOVATING THE CURRENT, UM, PARK SYSTEM. UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE THEN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, A FEW MORE THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS. UM, AS I MENTIONED, REALLY FOCUSING ON DIVERSIFYING THE FACILITIES, UM, PLAYGROUNDS, UH, AND RENOVATING THE EXISTING FACILITIES AS WELL. UM, SO FROM THERE WE CAN GO INTO SOME OF THE MORE, UM, DETAILED ELEMENTS. ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE REVISED CHARTS. SO THIS KIND OF LOOKS AT YOUR EXISTING FACILITIES AND THEN THE TOTALS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MEET THAT CURRENT AVERAGE BY 2030. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, ADJUSTED THOSE TO AC ACCOUNT FOR WHICH YOUR CURRENT FACILITIES ARE AND THE ONES THAT WE THINK CORRELATE WITH THE SURVEY RESPONSES AND YOUR, UM, AVAILABLE PROPERTIES. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THAT CHART THEN INFORMED HOW EACH OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WAS APPLIED TO THE SPECIFIC PARTS. AND SO IN HERE IT'S VERY DETAILED, UM, AND WITH DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE CATEGORIZED BY RENOVATION, NEW, NEW FACILITIES AND NATURAL FEATURE ENHANCEMENTS. AND SO DEPENDING ON, UM, THE PARK SITE, UM, SOME HAVE, UH, ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND OTHERS UM, HAVE A LONGER, UH, LIST OF ITEMS. I WILL SAY THE FRITZ PARK, UM, LIST IS THE LIST THAT IS UNDERGOING UNDER YOUR CURRENT RENOVATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE NOW. UM, IT WAS JUST INCORPORATING THAT SO YOU HAD AN ACCURATE, UM, ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE PARK FACILITIES. OTHER ELEMENTS, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE IN HERE. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, CREEKSIDE PARK, UM, IT HAS SEVERAL NEW ITEMS INCLUDED IN THERE, BOTH UNDER RENOVATION AND THEN SOME NEW FACILITIES AS WELL THAT WILL HELP, UM, ENHANCE THAT SPACE. UM, AS WELL AS, UM, AND LIKE IN HU TO COMMUNITY PARK, UM, SEVERAL RENOVATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, LIKE JEFF SAID, THE ADDITION OF THE RESTROOM. AND WE, THE ONE ITEM THAT WE NOTED IN HERE THAT NEEDED TO BE RENOVATED YET WAS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PAVILION. SO THIS WILL BE THAT KIND OF GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF THE DIFFERENT PARK ELEMENTS. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU'LL SEE A FEW MORE OF THE EXISTING PARKS. UM, MOST OF THE RIVERWALK, UM, SOCCER FIELDS RECOMMENDATIONS CAME FROM THE, UH, ATHLETICS FIELD STUDY. AND SO THOSE INCORPORATED, WE WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY INFORMATION INTO THIS DOCUMENT AS WELL. SO, UM, BOTH OF THEM ARE, UM, COORDINATED. AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE INCLUDED SOME OF THE UNDEVELOPED PARKS IN HERE AS WELL. UM, IDENTIFYING WHAT TYPE OF AMENITIES WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THOSE LOCATIONS. SO FROM JUST THE LIST OF FACILITIES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, THE NEXT STEP WAS TO START, UM, LOOKING AT HOW THEY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE HAVE, UM, SORRY, WE HAVE SOME OF THE, UM, PARKS THAT WE DID, SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLANS. SO THESE WERE PARKS THAT NEEDED, UM, A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION AT THIS TIME. THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. UM, AND SO THEY WERE, UM, THREE PARKS THAT WE LOOKED AT. THE FIRST ONE WAS HU LAKE PARK. UM, THE PRIMARY IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS LOCATION IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PLAYGROUND FACILITY, EXTENSION OF THE TRAILS IN AN ADDITION OF A PARKING LOT. UM, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDED PARKING IN THE, UM, WITHIN THIS SPACE. UM, ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT YOU SEE IS AN EXPANDED BOARDWALK THAT WILL PROVIDE, UM, MORE FISHING OPPORTUNITIES. THAT WAS ONE OF THE SURVEY RESPONSES ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, AT THE LIBERTY IN EAST PARKLAND, UM, THIS IS THE LOCATION THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, SO SUITABLE TO LOCATE A BUILDING. AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, IS A PLACE FOR THE A PARKS, UM, OFFICE AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY. UM, A SMALL COMMUNITY, UM, MEETING SPACE AND THEN A PARK SURROUNDING THAT AREA, WHICH INCLUDES SEVERAL PLAY OPTIONS, SENSORY GARDENS AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. UM, SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, A COMMUNITY HUB, UH, RIGHT HERE CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN. AND ALL OF THESE FACILITIES, UM, COMPLEMENT THE NEARBY PARKS. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE LAST PARK THAT RECEIVED, UM, A MAS SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLAN WAS ADAM OR GAIN PARK. UM, AT THIS LOCATION, DUE TO [04:20:01] THE SITE BEING PRIMARILY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, THERE WAS LITTLE LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENHANCEMENTS, UM, FOR FEATURES LIKE RESTROOMS OR BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE CREEK. SO ALL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN LOCATED, UM, FURTHER NORTH ON THE SITE, UM, WITH THE AREA CLOSER TO THE CREEK, FOCUSED ON, UM, PASSIVE RECREATION TRAILS AND ACCESS TO THE WATER. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS A ENLARGEMENT OF THE AREA THAT IS IN ADAM ORAIN. THAT'S THE MORE FOCUSED DEVELOPMENT. THIS INCLUDES, UM, A SPRAY GROUND PLAYGROUND SPACE AS WELL AS UM, RESTROOMS AND A COUPLE PAVILIONS THAT WOULD BE RENTABLE, UM, AS WELL. AND THEN FINALLY, THIS ALSO HAS SOME ENHANCEMENTS TO THE PARKING LOT. IN ADDITION TO THOSE SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLANS, WE INCORPORATED THE, UM, SPORTS PARK THAT WAS RECOMMENDED AS PART OF THE FAC UM, ATHLETIC FIELD STUDY. AND THEN SEVERAL NEW PARKS IN ADDITION TO THAT. UM, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS A GENERIC LIST OF PARK AMENITIES THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HOWEVER, WHEN THOSE PARKS, UM, DO BECOME NEEDED BECAUSE OF POPULATION GROWTH, SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLANS SHOULD BE, BE PREPARED FOR EACH OF THOSE TO REFINE, UM, THAT LIST OF AMENITIES. AND THEN FINALLY, ON THE NEXT PART, YOU START TO SEE HOW THESE UM, ELEMENTS CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. WE HAVE, UM, CATEGORIZED THEM INTO THREE PRIORITIES ZONES SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT THE TRAILS MASTER PLAN WAS PRIORITIZED. SO ONE TO THREE YEARS, FOUR TO SIX AND SEVEN TO 10. UH, IT WILL TAKE A DIVERSE RANGE OF FUNDING IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE, UM, THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THIS MASTER PLAN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. UM, WE LISTED SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, UM, THAT COULD BE PURSUED. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDES, IN ORDER TO REALLY ALLOW THIS TO BE A GUIDING DOCUMENT, WE HAVE LISTED EACH OF THOSE AMENITIES, WHETHER THEY WERE RENOVATION NEW FACILITIES AND UM, NATURAL FEATURE ENHANCEMENTS BY PARK SO THAT YOU CAN SLOWLY PICK AND CHOOSE EACH OF THE RENOVATION OPTIONS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE. AND THEN WE ALSO RANK THEM, UM, BY PRIORITY. UM, AND THIS IS BASED ON, UM, PARK, UM, NEED FROM THE, THE SENSE THAT UM, IT'S HITTING ITS LIFECYCLE. UM, OR, UM, THERE'S SOME INSTANCES THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. SO THERE'S AN URGENCY FOR SOME REPAIRS. AND THEN OTHERS THAT ARE LONG-TERM VISIONS, UM, WHICH ARE LISTED AS THE LOW PRIORITY ITEMS THAT CAN BE FOCUSED ON MORE OF THE SEVEN TO 10 YEAR RANGE. AND SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES YOU CAN SEE, UM, HOW THEY'RE GROUPED HERE ARE THE NATURAL FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS. ONCE AGAIN, THESE PRIMARILY FOCUS ON INCREASING SHADE AND HABITAT THROUGHOUT, UM, THE PARK SYSTEM. AND THEN FINALLY THE BULK OF THE UM, UH, COST IS FOUND IN THE NEW FACILITIES, WHICH IS ON THE NEXT PA. THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WHERE THERE IS ALMOST $69 MILLION SHOWN FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS HERE. AND SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL BIG TICKET ITEMS AND THOSE INCLUDE THE SITE SPECIFIC MASTER PLANS, UM, AT ORG GAIN PARK, THE EASTERN LIBERTY PROPERTY AND THE HU LAKE PARK, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONES THAT ARE UM, HIGHER INVESTMENT PAR, UM, COSTS BECAUSE THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, ALTOGETHER. AND SO WHEN YOU START TO TAKE THIS AND BREAK IT DOWN ON AND SUMMARY ON THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH YOU SEE ARE, UM, THE TOTALS FOR THE RENOVATION, THE NEW FACILITIES AND THE NATURAL FEATURES AND THE NUMBER OF, UM, PRIORITIZATION IN EACH OF THOSE. SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT UM, KIND OF RESIDE IN THE MEDIUM PRIORITY. UM, AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, MOST OF THE NEW FACILITY PROJECTS, THAT'S YOUR BULK OF WHAT YOUR IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM. SO THAT IS A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN. SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. UM, NOT TO UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEE THE REFORESTATION PLANTING, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME UH, IMPACT FEE STUFF. NOW WE HAVE A STUDY THAT THEY CAN PAY A FEE TO PLANT TREES INSTEAD OF ON THEIR INDUSTRIAL SPACE. SO I'M HOPING THAT WE HAVE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS A GOOD GROWING LIST OF THESE TREES. SO EVERY TIME, MULTIPLE TIME WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COME IN THAT SAYS, HEY, WE WANT PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF PUTTING AN EXTRA 50 TREE TREES ON OUR PLACE, YOU GO IN IMMEDIATELY. GO AHEAD AND PLANT THEM IN THOSE, THOSE PARKS. SO, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WALKING US THROUGH THAT 13. I GUESS FOR, FOR THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST, UH, COMMENTS AND GET TO GET THE COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ON THINGS OF JUST, UH, TAKING THIS REPORT AND, [04:25:01] UH, TAKING IT TO THE PARKS ADVISORY BOARD AND HAVING THEM KIND OF DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS AND POSSIBLY, UM, GIVE GIVING CITY COUNCIL A REPORT IN LIKE FEBRUARY OR MARCH BEFORE STRATEGIC PLANNING, WHENEVER THAT OCCURS. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ACTION TO KIND OF PUT ON THEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE BEEN BUSY WITH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS ON, ON FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT PRIORITIZING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, HAVING THEIR INPUT WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR ME. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT NOT SEEN THIS YET? THE PARKS BOARD? YES. THEY WERE VERY INVOLVED. CLARK CON DID A PRESENTATION WITH THEM. THEY WERE SENT THIS FINAL COPY A FEW WEEKS AGO. SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SURE THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS, BUT JUST TO KIND OF TASK THEM WITH PUTTING ON SOME PRIORITIES. SURE. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE IT'S LAID OUT HERE BUT THEY CAN KIND OF THUMB THROUGH DOLLARS OR YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY A PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY OR CAN IT HOLD OFF? RIGHT. YEAH. EARLY IN THE THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE START LOOKING AT CIP MM-HMM . SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD THIS, UH, AS A PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION IN THAT PROJECT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IF WE SET SOME KIND OF GUIDELINES FOR 'EM. IF YOU JUST SAY, HEY, HERE'S A PARKS MASTER PLAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK'S A PRIORITY? AND YOU ASK THE PARKS BOARD, I WOULD IMAGINE MOST OF 'EM ARE GONNA SAY PARKS IS IMPORTANT AND AT SOME POINT THEN WE GOTTA COME BACK. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT ADVICE, I'D SAY IF YOU GUYS HAD X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, HOW WOULD YOU SPEND THAT MONEY? TO ME THAT'S REAL PRIORITIZATION. OTHERWISE, IF YOU ASK THE LIBRARY PEOPLE, THEY WOULD SAY, NEED A NEW LIBRARY, NEED THIS NEED THAT YOU ASK THE PARKS NEED NEW PARKS. AND THEN WE'RE STILL BACK WITH THE SAME THING. WE JUST HAVE A PRIORITY OF EVERYTHING GETTING DONE QUICK WHEN IN REALITY WE HAVE TO CUT IT BACK SOMEHOW. BUT SO THE GREAT THING ABOUT OUR PARKS BOARD IS, IS THEY'RE VERY ENGAGED AS YOU, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE ALSO, IT'S A DIVERSE GROUP AND SO SOME ARE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT TRAILS AND SOME OF 'EM MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS. SO THEY, THEY WEAVE THOSE PRIORITIES BASED ON UH, WHAT THEIR OWN PASSIONS ARE AS WELL AS FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GUYS WANT US PROCEED. WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT KIND OF A 10 YEAR LOOKOUT AHEAD AND SEE WHAT WE CAN SCHEDULE WITH THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF THE TRAILS. IT WAS A GREAT TRAIL MASTER PLAN. MM-HMM . BUT I WANNA RAISE PEOPLE'S TAXES FOR IT. I WANT YOU, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE COMING BACK NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING WITH A PLAN. BUT I WANT YOU GUYS TO LIKE ALL THE PROFESSIONALS IN CITY HALL TO GO, OKAY, I KNOW HOW TO BUILD $13 MILLION IN TRAILS. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? AND THEN US GO, YEAH, THAT WORKS OR IT DOESN'T OR MODIFY IT, BUT 'CAUSE TO ME THESE PLANS ARE ALWAYS GREAT, BUT THE FUNDING IS ALWAYS JUST RAISE TAXES AND NOT TO BRING UP THINGS THAT PASSED. NOT NECESSARILY. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE UM, PARK IMPROVEMENT FUND THAT FUNDS A LOT OF THIS, WHICH IS A TAX ON DEVELOPERS NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S WHY THEY CHARGE THE PRICES. THEY DO. THE RENTS ARE HIGHER ANYWAY, HOWEVER IT IS THE, THE PARK IMPROVEMENT FEES ARE NEVER GONNA PAY FOR WHAT WE JUST SAW. YOU'RE GONNA NEED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SO HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THAT? MM-HMM. . AND TO ME THAT'S REAL PLANNING IS YOU'VE GOT THE PICTURE OF WHAT YOU WANT AND NOW AT HOME YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT? AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO PLAN HOW TO PAY FOR IT AND WE OUGHT TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO WHERE THEY CAN BUDGET BETTER. AND I KNOW, CAN WE GO TO THIS SLIDE BEFORE THIS QUESTIONS ONE? YEAH. I KNOW SOME ARE GONNA ROLL THEIR EYES, BUT THEN WE END UP EVERY YEAR AT A BUDGET THING GOING, OKAY, WE GOT 200 MILLION IN PROJECTS, HOW DO WE NARROW IT DOWN TO 30 MILLION? THIS ONE? WELL NO. YEAH, THAT ONE. YEAH. AND SO I THINK LIKE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO LOOK AT. ONE IS, OKAY, SO WHAT DO YOU PRIORITIZE THAT YOU WANT TO USE THOSE IMPROVEMENT FEES ON? 'CAUSE THAT'S MONEY THAT CAN ONLY BE USED ON PARKS ONCE IT'S THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT BUDGET LOOK LIKE? WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THAT? AND THEN IT'S PRIORITIZING BEYOND THAT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU GIVE IT SOME BRACKETING OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 2 MILLION BEYOND THAT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HAD 5 MILLION? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A PRIORITY? AND WHATEVER THAT TOP NUMBER IS GONNA BE. YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE GONNA DEBATE AND DISAGREE ON WHAT THE TOP NUMBER IS, UM, AND WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER IS. BUT AT LEAST THEN THEY'VE PRIORITIZED BASED ON POTENTIAL AMOUNTS OF FUNDING THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE DEPENDING ON DECISIONS COUNCIL MAKES. AND, AND WE'VE GOT A PRIORITIZE LIST AND I LOVE THAT IDEA. AND I WOULD, YOU HAVE, IF THE DATA CENTER'S BUILT OUT AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LUGS OF MONEY, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS HAS BEEN DON'T DO IT AS M AND O MONEY, DO IT AS ONE-OFF ITEMS EACH YEAR. WELL THEN IF YOU HAD A ONE-OFF ITEM AND THE COUNCIL GAVE YOU $5 MILLION OR $10 MILLION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT? UM, YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH. I MEAN IF THE DATA CENTER COMES THROUGH FULL BORE THEN IT COULD ALMOST PAY FOR THIS MM-HMM. IN, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A REASONABLE NUMBER OF YEARS. YEAH. AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON'S, I KNOW THIS IS A PARTICULAR [04:30:01] POINT OF HIS INTEREST IS, UH, SO IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, PARK SPORT HAS HAD TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO CONSIDER FOR PARK LAND IMPROVEMENT. AND UH, ONE WAS 95 ACRES, WHICH HELPS US GET TO THAT NEEDED ACRES THAT WE HAVE. AND PART OF THAT WAS YOU NEED TO PUT A TRAIL, YOU NEED TO PUT TREES ALONG THERE. AND THE SECOND ONE WAS 17 ACRES AND, UM, THEY CAME BACK WITH DISC GOLF AND PICKLEBALL COURTS ALONG THE 17 ACRES AND TRAILS. SO PARKS BOARD IS GETTING IN THE HABIT OF, AND OUR STAFF'S GETTING THE HABIT OF, OF MAKING THOSE REQUESTS. AND YEAH, NOW THAT WE'VE HAD OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN ADOPTED, WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT WE CAN USE. AND SO THAT STANDARD HAS TO BE APPLIED IN MOST CASES UNLESS THERE'S AN EXCEPTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, IF IT'S A TRAIL IS NEAR THE CREEK AND THERE'S HEAVILY TREE LINED, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO PLANT MORE TREES, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET THE IDEA. THAT'S GOOD AND MEAN AND IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN GET ON TOP OF, YEAH. ON TOP OF THE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S A GOOD THING TO KEEP ASKING FOR MORE AND MM-HMM. PUSHING IT AND PUSHING IT AND YEAH. SEE WHAT WE CAN GET. GOOD. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 2024 DASH 2 22. IT IS PRESENTED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILOR CLARK. SECONDED BY M THOMPSON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MAYOR PROAM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO DIRECTION. NEXT ITEM 13 TWO [13.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-223 regarding approval of Traffic Impact Fee Credit for Hutto Crossing (Carmel Creek). (Matt Rector)] CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 2 23 REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE CREDIT FOR HU CROSSING CARMEL CREEK MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU POSTPONE THIS ITEM. WE HAD SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED TO VERIFY BEFORE WE WOULD BRING IT BACK. ANY OBJECTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHEN STEPH COMES BACK, THIS IS FOR THE CROMWELL CREEK DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. WE, SO I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE SAYING ROAD COSTS CHANGE AND THINGS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT I, FOR MY BENEFIT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING WHEN WE ENTERED INTO THE PROJECTS AND AGREEMENTS AND WHAT WE GOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE GOT IS BETTER. I'M PERSONALLY MORE INCLINED TO GIVE 'EM THE MONEY, BUT OF WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE GOT WAS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA GET. IT WAS GONNA BE A BIG RETAIL AREA AND INSTEAD WE GOT A GIANT AMOUNT OF MULTIFAMILY. I'M KIND OF LIKE, WELL YOU MADE A LOT OF MONEY AND MAYBE DEVELOPERS WIN SOME AND LOSE SOME SOMETIMES. SO. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS [14.2. Consideration and possible action on Resolution No. R-2024-224 authorizing the City Manager to execute the Wastewater Infrastructure Reimbursement Agreement with Lennar Homes of Texas Land and Construction, Ltd. facilitating the reimbursement of certain allowable costs for wastewater infrastructure. (Sara Cervantes)] US TO ITEM ALREADY DID 14 1 14 2 CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ON RESOLUTION NUMBER R DASH 2024 DASH 2 24 AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH LENNAR HOMES OF TEXAS ATLANTA CONSTRUCTION LIMITED, FACILITATING THE REIMBURSEMENT OF CERTAIN ALLOWABLE COSTS FOR WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. MAYOR COUNSEL SARASOTA FOR THE RECORD, UH, THIS DOCUMENT WAS EMAILED TO Y'ALL EARLIER TODAY. MY APOLOGIES THAT I DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE PACKET ITSELF. UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SEVERAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE WORKING THROUGH WITH LENNAR. UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE SECOND FROM THE TOP BLUE, THERE'S A, UM, PARCEL THERE LABELED FRITZ AND GRINER. THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE BUILDING AND PER THEIR SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD WHAT IS LABELED ON THIS CHART AS ITEMS ONE AND TWO. UH, SO THAT IS AN OVERSIZED LINE. SO A PART OF THIS AGREEMENT ACCOUNTS FOR THE OVERSIZED REIMBURSEMENT COST, I BELIEVE IT WAS A 15 TO A 21 INCH. SO THEY BID OUT THE COST OF THE 21, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING, AND THEN THEY BET OUT THE COST OF THE 15, WHICH IS WHAT IS NECESSARY TO SERVE THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN THE DELTA FOR THAT IS WHAT WE'RE REIMBURSING. UM, SO THAT'S PRESENTED IN THERE. AND THEN ANOTHER BIG ITEM FOR THE CITY, UH, ITEM THREE, IT'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT MAP IN THE LEFT CORNER. I THINK THAT'S LIKE A DARK GREEN ON YOUR SCREEN. UM, THAT IS THE PORTION OF THE COTTON RE COTTON COTTONWOOD CREEK INTERCEPTOR LINE THAT WE ARE NEEDING BUILT. UM, SO THIS AGREEMENT ACCOUNTS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT REIMBURSEMENT OF THAT, THAT IS WHAT THEIR SERVICE EXTENSION REQUEST STATES. UM, AND THAT LITTLE PIECE OF THE INTERCEPTOR LINE IS WHAT'S NECESSARY TO FACILITATE THE WASTEWATER SERVICE FOR THE COTTONWOOD PROPERTIES THAT ARE THAT BIG, UH, PORTION RIGHT THERE. UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. UM, BUT THIS IS I THINK TWO OUTTA THE THREE BIG AGREEMENTS WITH NAR THAT WE'VE GOT PROCESSING AND THEIR FINAL AGREEMENT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR TEN THREE. AND THIS IS FOR US TO TAKE OVER THE DESIGN AND THEM TO REIMBURSE US. NO, THEY, THEY ARE BUILDING THE 42 INCH INTERCEPTOR AND WE ARE REIMBURSING THEM. AND SO WHAT MAKES THEM MM-HMM. WHAT MAKES THEM DESIGN AND BUILD THAT THE SERVICE A EXTENSION REQUEST, THE SER WHICH SHOULD BE ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT. [04:35:01] I MEAN, WHAT WHAT MAKES THEM LIKE, THEY WAKE UP TOMORROW AND THEY GO, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE AND THEY WALK AWAY. WHAT'S GONNA MAKE THEM BUILD THAT? THE THE LINE ITSELF OR THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? NO, THE WHOLE LINE BECAUSE THE WHOLE LINE IS WHAT WE NEED FOR 240 ACRES. SO LIKE CORRECT IN IN STANDARD DEVELOPMENT AREAS YOU'D SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, YOU'RE GONNA ESCROW $1 MILLION FOR DESIGN AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT DONE BY X DATE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT, NOT THE OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. SO WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA TRIGGER TO FORCE THEM TO DESIGN AND BUILD THAT LINE? WELL, A PART OF THIS IS THEY NEED THAT LINE TO SERVE THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL. UM, SO ABSENT THE COMPLETION OF THAT SMALL PORTION OF THE INTERCEPTOR LINE, THEY WILL NOT HAVE WASTEWATER SERVICE UP TO THEIR FINALIZED PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE, THAT FRITZ AND GRANITE PROPERTY. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE DONE BUILDING HOMES. 'CAUSE REMEMBER THEY WOKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANNA BUILD HOMES ANYMORE, WE'RE DONE. THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT. THE CO THEIR STOCK IS, WERE ZERO IN THE STOCK EXCHANGE. MM-HMM. . BUT WE STILL NEED THIS IMPROVEMENT FOR 240 ACRES. SO WHAT'S MAKING THEM FROM, FROM A CONTRACTUAL PERSPECTIVE? UM, I DEFINITELY HAVE TO DEFAULT TO OUR LEGAL TEAM ON WHAT REMEDIES, IF ANY, WE WOULD HAVE UNDER THIS POTENTIAL AGREEMENT IF THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL VOTE ON. UM, THE, THE BIGGEST TEETH, UH, THE BIGGEST SKIN THAT THEY HAVE IN THE GAME HERE IS THAT THIS IS REQUIRED FOR THEIR PROPERTY. IF LENNAR WERE TO FALL OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH, WE DO HAVE THAT CONTINGENCY AGREEMENT IN HERE WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE THEIR DESIGN PLANS, LIKE THEY WILL ASSIGN THE RIGHTS TO THOSE TO US AND THEN WE COULD STEP IN AND FINISH THAT LINE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY. UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT WE'D HAVE TO MEET WITH OUR, OUR ATTORNEYS TO SEE WHAT OUR, UM, LEGAL REMEDIES WOULD BE BASED ON THIS AGREEMENT IN AND OF ITSELF. WHAT 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR HOW LONG SO FAR? WHEN YOU SAY IT, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT? THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE DESIGN? NO, NOT THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE DESIGN OF THIS LINE. HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'D THE EXACT, I MEAN HAS IT BEEN COUPLE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT? SO IT'S BEEN, WHEN I GOT HERE IN JANUARY OF 23, THEY HAD NOT STARTED THE DESIGN ON THIS. UH, THERE WAS A MEETING, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAY OF 23 WHERE WE OUTLINED WHO WAS THE GONNA DO WHAT AND WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT AND THEN IN I WANNA SAY JULY, THEIR ENGINEERS STARTED DOING COORDINATION WITH US. SO FROM JULY OF 23 UNTIL TODAY, SO ABOUT 14 MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT. AND HOW MUCH TIME DID THEY HAVE TO FINISH THE DESIGN? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SO THAT THE MIDWAY PEOPLE, AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME RE RECOURSE, SOMETHING TO TELL THEIR PEOPLE. YEAH. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF RECOURSE. SHOULD LENNAR SLOW PLAY BUILDING THE LINE OR NOT BUILD IT AT ALL? YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T, STUFF HAPPENS. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY TRIGGER THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT BY A CERTAIN TIME. I CAN TELL YOU LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THEY HAD SUBMITTED FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I TOLD YOU THAT IT USUALLY TAKES ABOUT THREE SUBMITTALS TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THE SECOND TIME NOW WE'VE SENT THEM COMMENTS BACK. UPRR HAS SENT THEM COMMENTS BACK AND SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THEIR THIRD AND HOPEFULLY FINALLY FINAL SUBMITTAL, UM, TO GET, TO GET IT FINAL PERMITTED SO THAT THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY TIMELINE TRIGGERS FOR THEM AS IT STANDS TODAY. UH, I DON'T WANNA BLOW UP THE DEAL OVER IT. I WOULD JUST SAY WHAT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT, MY OPINION AS A CITY IS IF SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA DO CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR US, THAT WE OUGHT TO DO WHAT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER OUT THERE WOULD DO IS ONE, DEVELOPERS DON'T DEPEND ON OTHER PEOPLE TO DO CRITICAL STUFF, BUT IF THEY DID DO IT, THEY'D MAKE YOU ESCROW. THE MONEY POST FISCAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE I WOULD THINK, YEAH, YOU WOULD POST FISCAL AND THEN IT'D BE SOME KIND OF TRIGGER, YOU HAVE 18 MONTHS TO DO THIS, OR WE'RE TAKING YOUR ESCROW MONEY, WE'RE TAKING YOUR PLANES, WE'RE GONNA FINISH IT, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT. UM, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT THEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND GO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU ALIGNED BY 2025, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT. I THINK THESE GUYS ARE GONNA BUILD THEIR HOMES 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY FIRED UP ABOUT THE SLOWING DOWN OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD HOMES. BUT I'D LIKE IT TO BE US TO LOOK AT MORE OF A STANDARD THAT WE LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. SO I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT IN, IN MOST INSTANCES. I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE 42 INCHES WE'RE PAYING FOR. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ESCROWING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY JUST GIVING THEM OUR MONEY TO GIVE BACK TO US. THE BIGGEST THING I THINK IN THIS, THAT WOULD BE A DELAY IS US [04:40:01] NOT HAVING THE DESIGN. SHOULD THEY FINISH THE DESIGN AND DECIDE NOT TO PURSUE IT. AND THE COST IS 17 INCH THAT GOES DOWN 79 UP 1 32, RIGHT? WELL THAT, THAT COULD BE BUILT BY COTTONWOOD, COULD BE BUILT BY THE EDC, BUT YES. ARGUABLY. BUT THE, THE CRITICAL COMPONENT OF THIS IS GETTING UNDER 79 UNDER THE RAIL AND CONNECTING INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT, THEN COTTONWOOD AND MIDWAY CAN DEVELOP THEIR OWN SEWER SYSTEM. THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS LINE GOING ALONG THE OUTSIDE EDGE THAT'S SERVING NORTH OF THEM. SO I BUT THE LINE ALONG 79, UP 1 32, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? YES. WE, WE WILL USE IT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO BE, BE USED. RIGHT. JUST SAYING IN THE, IN THE PRIVATE WORLD, PEOPLE ESCROW, THAT MIGHT, IF IT'S 5 MILLION, THEY ESCROW THAT AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTS BUILDING OUT THEIR THING. MM-HMM. NOT WORRIED. IF THESE GUYS STOP, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US AND GO, WE NEED MONEY TO BUILD THIS LINE. 'CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA DO IT NOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. I'M JUST SAYING TO ME IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT WATER RESERVATION FEE, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF. IT'S ALMOST STANDARD. AND, UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M TRACKING. I, THE ONLY THING I WAS TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND WAS, SINCE WE ARE BASICALLY PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE 42, WE WOULDN'T ASK THEM TO ESCROW BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR MONEY. BUT FOR THE REST OF THE LINE, YEAH. THE REST OF THE LINE, THEIR PORTION. YES. YEAH. OKAY. UM, ARE YOU SURE, ARE WE SURE THAT THEIR WASTEWATER LINE GOING ALONG 79? IS IT OUT OF THE NEW EXPANDED INFORMATION YOU GOT FROM 79 AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO TO SIX LANES? I STILL WANT JUST HAVE TO HAVE THIS PIPE AND IT HAS TO GET MOVED. NO. SO, UM, WHEN THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR DOCUMENTS, WE HAVE SHARED THAT WITH GARVER WHO WAS DOING THE DESIGN. SO IT HAS EVERYTHING THAT, THAT LENNAR HAS LAID OUT OR THEIR ENGINEER HAS LAID OUT IS IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING FOR THE OVERPASS AND THE WIDENING OF 79 IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER IN MIDWAYS PRESENTATION WHERE THEY HAD THE BLUE AND THE GREEN. THE BLUE WAS THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ROAD AND THE GREEN WAS FOR THE WASTEWATER EASEMENT. OKAY. WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS INCLUDED, SIR. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. BASED ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION. R 2024 DASH 2024 IS PRESENTED BY CUSTOMER CLARK. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO SARAH FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS. 'CAUSE THIS HAS DEFINITELY BEEN SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE CONSTANTLY BEEN WORKING ON, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK FOR SURE. IT WAS A LITTLE SQUIRRELY, BUT WE GOT IT DONE, SO, YEAH. AWESOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MAYOR POWER. TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 14, [14.3. Consideration and possible action establishing the City's legislative plan for the 89th regular session of the Texas legislature. (David Amsler) ] THREE, CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION ESTABLISHING THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE PLAN FOR THE 89TH REGULAR SESSION OF THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. DAVID AMSLER, DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC OPERATIONS FOR THE RECORD. UM, TONIGHT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ON HOW ROBUST OF A LEGISLATIVE PLAN YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE. HERE AT THE CITY OF HU. THERE WAS AN EMAIL SENT OUT A WEEK AGO INCLUDING A MEMO AND, UH, AN EXAMPLE RESOLUTION FROM A NEIGHBORING CITY AS WELL AS, UH, THE TML PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM, WHICH THEY ARE ADOPTING ON OCTOBER 10TH AT TML. UM, SO TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAD AND LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL. THANKS SIR. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? THE ONLY ONE ON YOUR LIST THAT I AM NOT NECESSARILY A FAN OF IS LEGISLATION REQUIRING CANDIDATES FOR CITY OFFICE TO DECLARE A PARTY AFFILIATION. WE GOT ENOUGH STUFF GOING ON IN, IN SMALL TOWNS. IF YOU START THROWING IN WHO'S A DEMOCRAT, WHO'S REPUBLICAN, WHO'S, UH, INDEPENDENT TO ME, YOU JUST ADD IT JUST MAKES IT A BIGGER CIRCUS. BUT, UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD OF THOSE, THEY'RE CONSIDERING ADDING THAT AND WE POTENTIALLY WOULD OPPOSE IT. YES, SIR. SO, UH, IN, IN THE, UH, MEMO IT SAYS CURRENT LEGISLATIVE ITEMS IDENTIFIED, UH, I DID NOT PUT SUPPORT OR OPPOSE ON THERE SINCE THAT'S A POLY POLICY DECISION FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE. UH, TML CURRENTLY IN THEIR PROPOSED RESOLUTION ARE OPPOSING THAT [04:45:01] SPECIFIC ITEM. YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR THEM TO DISCUSS. HEY, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE NOT? AND THEN YEAH, THEN WE WOULD DECIDE IF WE WANT TO OPPOSE OR SUPPORT. THESE AREN'T THINGS, THIS ISN'T A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. CORRECT. THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA DISCUSS AND THEN WE WOULD DECIDE DO WE, ARE WE FOR AGAINST? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. YES, SIR. AND, AND THE LIST THAT IS TAKEN FROM THE MEMO IS AN ABRIDGED VERSION FROM THE TML PROPOSED RESOLUTION, WHICH COVERS A LOT MORE ITEMS. THESE ARE JUST ITEMS THAT STAFF HAS NOTICED, UH, THIS COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN UPON, UH, MORE FREQUENTLY. UH, SO THIS WAS A GOOD STARTING PLACE. HOW MANY ITEMS ARE THERE IN TOTAL? GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO EMAIL THAT ANSWER BACK JUST THE WAY THAT TMLS RESOLUTION IS LISTED IT. I COULDN'T TELL YOU QUICKLY. OKAY. 'CAUSE YEAH, IF IT'S NOT TOO EXTENSIVE, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. OKAY. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR YOUR MEMO AGAIN. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. I APOLOGIZE. I GUESS GEN FOR ME, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT, UM, IDEA FOR A CITY TO HAVE A STRATEGY AND A GAME PLAN. OBVIOUSLY TML, UM, DOES REPRESENT ALL OF ITS MEMBER CITIES AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE SO THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, GO IN AND OPPOSE OR PROMOTE, UH, CERTAIN STANCES AS LAID OUT, LAID OUT HERE. BUT, UM, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE UNIQUE SITUATIONS FOR THE CITY OF HUDA OR OTHER CITIES. NO CITY IS THE SAME, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN'T COMPARE HUDA TO HOUSTON OR, YOU KNOW, BIG OR A TOWN IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY. SO I THINK IT'S WISE TO HAVE, UH, A STRATEGY AND A PLAN SO THAT WE ARE MADE AWARE OF, UH, SOME OF THE LEGISLATION THAT COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE CITY. UH, WE KIND OF SAW THAT, UH, THE LAST LEG, LAST LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL WITH THE, YOU KNOW, FIX TO THE, UH, THE UM, 1295, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF ONE OF THOSE OFF, OFF THE RADAR, UM, OF THE CITY OF HU AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THAT THE CITY STAFF COULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEEN IN COMMUNICATION AND LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. UM, UH, AND TO, TO JUST KIND OF UNDERSTAND OR OFFER SOME CHANGES. UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S WISE TO, TO HAVE A PLAN. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH. IT'S LIKE A POLICY DECISION THAT THE CITY CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO, TO MAKE. BUT I THINK IT'S WISE, LIKE TML KIND OF TRACKS SOME THINGS. THEY KINDA UPDATE IT, BUT IF, IF STAFF MAYBE COULD PINPOINT SOME THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY OR POLICIES, UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT. SO JUST, I THINK THE EC ONE WAS ONE SPECIFICALLY THAT IS KIND OF BEEN UNBUTTONED TOPIC FOR OUR CITY SPECIFICALLY. IT'S IN THIS LATE NEXT LEGISL LATE SECTION. AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SPENDING OUR OWN MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT REAL, UH, I DON'T REALLY THINK THE STATE, I DON'T THINK THE STATE'S GONNA DO A WHOLE LOT OF LISTENING TO US ANYWAY. THEY KIND OF HAVE THEIR MIND MADE UP AND THE GOVERNOR WILL KEEP CALLING LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS UNTIL HE GETS HIS WAY. SO I KIND OF FEEL LIKE A TOWN LIKE CUDO GOING DOWN WITH OUR 9,000 PEOPLE THAT VOTE, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA SWAY, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE AND MAYBE WE GET WITH GEORGETOWN. MM-HMM. . BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM I HAVE IS TMLI DON'T THINK EXACTLY DOES RIGHT ALL THE TIME BY THE CITIZENS. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES GIVING CITIES MORE POWER, THE WAY TO ME, THE WAY THE, THE REASON THE STATE DOES WHAT THEY DO IS BECAUSE CITIES DO WHAT THEY DO. AND IF CITIES STOPPED GETTING INTO EVERY SINGLE THING OF A PERSON'S LIFE, LIKE WHAT KIND OF GROCERY BAG YOU USE, THEN ESTATE WOULDN'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GET INVOLVED IN EVERYDAY LIFE. AND SO TO ME IT'S QUITE HONESTLY, IT'S YOU GUYS FIGHTING WITH THE STATE AND IF WE'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO JUST REPRESENT THE PEOPLE BETTER IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT SO OVERLY INTRUSIVE, THEN I THINK WE CAN SOLELY WORK THE STATE TO GET OUT. BUT THEY START EVERY DAY THINKING HOW DO THEY TAKE MORE POWER AWAY FROM YOU ALL? AND THEN TMLS THINKING, HOW DO WE GET MORE POWER TO YOU ALL? AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF TAXPAYERS GET LEFT OUT, BUT WELL, US ALL, US ALL. I'M NOT, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT THE, OBVIOUSLY I I, I CAN ALMOST GO ON A LIMB AND SAY I'M PROBABLY NOT THE, THE ONE THAT UM, HAS THE MAJORITY OPINION UP HERE. BUT I DO SIT IN TML SOMETIMES AND I GO, I LIKE THAT LAW THAT THE STATE PASSED [04:50:01] BECAUSE STATES DO THAT TO, OR CITIES DO THAT TO YOU. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER TIMES I GO, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE STATE WOULD GO THIS FAR. THEY JUST CRIPPLED THE CITY, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THEY LISTENED TO US. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M OKAY DOING WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANNA DO. I THINK THAT DECISIONS ALREADY MADE. AND YOU KNOW, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT FOR STAFF TO DO ANYTHING. THIS IS FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST BECAUSE ONE STAFF DOESN'T DO WELL ADVOCATING FOR ANYTHING AT THE STATE TO ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT THAT DOESN'T, I MEAN AMBER LEE MIGHT BACK ME UP ON THIS ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU BEING MAYOR WALKING IN TO TALK TO A REPRESENTATIVE IS GONNA GO WAY FURTHER THAN DAVID AMSLER OR JAMES ERP SHOWING UP TO GO TALK TO SOMEONE OR GIVING TESTIMONY OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO MAYBE A STEP FURTHER, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, I KNOW. YEAH. SO JUST LIKE THE MAYOR OF AUSTIN GO DOWN AND TALK TO HIS BLUE IN THE FACE, NOT THE CURRENT ONE. HE'S GOT SOME PULLED, BUT A TYPICAL ONE. MM-HMM. AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN TO HIM. BUT, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX IT. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS FOR US. I JUST, YEAH, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST ALREADY BAKED IN. LIKE YEAH, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S MIDDLE GROUND THAT CAN BE HAD IF YOU OFFER KIND OF A THIRD PATH, LIKE JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE, I I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PARTY AFFILIATION FOR OUR LOCAL ELECTIONS, BUT IF YOU PUT A POPULATION LIMIT ON THAT AND CITIES OVER A CERTAIN POPULATION MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE IN LARGER CITIES. SO IF YOU GET THEM TO CHANGE IT AND TWEAK IT, THEN MAYBE IT ONLY DOESN'T IMPACT EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, AND YOU, YOU MAKE IT, IT'S MAYBE NOT A GOOD LAW THAT YOU, LIKE IF WE MOVE, IT'S A BETTER IF ELECTION INTO NOVEMBER, THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE PARTY AFFILIATIONS. 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT GOES DOWN. I HEAR YOU. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET TO THOSE LAWS OF LIKE THIS LAW AND IF YOU'RE IN A COUNTY OVER 2 MILLION ON THE GULF COAST, BUT NOT LIKE THAT NEXT TO GALVESTON. ALL THE CARVE OUTS. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, WELL THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING IS THAT, UM, SOME, SOME LAWS ARE MADE TO GO AFTER CERTAIN CARVE OUT ENTITIES, THEN UNFORTUNATELY IT GETS TRICKLED DOWN TO EVERYBODY. LIKE IN MINNESOTA, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LAW THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE PARTY AFFILIATIONS UNTIL YOU'RE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN POPULATION. WHICH ACTUALLY ONLY AFFECTS LIKE FIVE CITIES IN THE WHOLE STATE. 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY THAT MANY THAT ARE ABOVE HUNDRED THOUSAND. IF, IF I MAY A COUPLE CLARIFYING ITEMS. UH, ONE COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON, UM, I RE-LOOKED AT IT, UH, FOR SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS THAT, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. IT'S 69. UM, BUT THEY DO HAVE OVERARCHING PRIORITIES AND, AND THERE'S ABOUT 13 OF THOSE, WHICH ANY LEGISLATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH THOSE OVERARCHING PRIORITIES, THEY, THEY WOULD BE SENDING UPDATES, UM, ABOUT, SO THAT, THAT NUMBER COULD RANGE. BUT THE SPECIFIC ONES THAT THEY ARE TARGETING IN THEIR PROPOSED RESOLUTION IS 69. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . AND THEN STAFF'S HOPE WAS TO, UM, HAVE THE COUNSEL, UH, PROVIDE SOME, SOME CLEAR DIRECTION SO THAT LEGAL, UH, CAN BRING BACK A RESOLUTION TO LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHICH AGENDA ITEMS YOU WANT STAFF PAYING ATTENTION TO. SO 69 OF THEM, YOU WANT US TO TELL YOU WHICH ONES WE WANT YOU TO PUSH AND WHAT WAY YOU WANT US TO PUSH 'EM? YES SIR. I THINK WE GOT MORE THAN ENOUGH STUFF GOING WITH OUR OWN CITY. WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THIS WITH MY OPINION. I I THINK IT'D BE A A PRETTY SMALL CHERRY PICKED LIST THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IF WE CHERRY IF, IF WE FOCUS ON ANY AT ALL. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THE ESD TAX ISSUE IS ONE THAT AFFECTS OUR CITY AND, AND I I WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, SO LEMME DO THIS, LET'S BRING IT BACK NEXT MEETING WITH A PLAN THAT WE, WE GIVE THEM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU NARROW DOWN WE, WE CAN'T AGREE VERY ON VERY LITTLE, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE GOTTA AGREE ON MAYBE THE TOP 10 FOR THEM TO GO DO, BUT THEY'VE KIND OF DONE THAT FOR US ALREADY. RIGHT? AND WHAT POSITION? WELL AND WHAT POSITION WE WANT, YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YES SIR. SO NOT JUST PARTY AFFILIATION. HOW MANY OF US ARE FOR IT? HOW MANY OF US ARE AGAINST IT? FOUR OR FOUR. THREE ARE AGAINST IT. THEY NEED TO KNOW THE YES SIR. OR, OR IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS, UM, THE, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE. YOU, YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION TO CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, THAT WORKS WITH STAFF, UM, AND, AND PROVIDES UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WELL, I NOMINATE, UH, CUSTOMER COLA FOR THAT. SHE'S ALREADY GONNA BE INVOLVED. SHE'S THE DEFAULT SORRY, SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ONLY IF YOU VOTE AGAINST SOTO OR YOUR BOSS DOES . OH, YOU GOT YOU GUYS. WELL, WELL I, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES [04:55:01] WHENEVER I, I WAS WATCHING COMMITTEE HEARINGS AND TESTIMONY AND, UH, THE LAYOUTS, THE CITY OF HUDA WAS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED. UM, ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WE'VE HAD SEVERAL LAWS ENACTED DUE TO , SOME OF IT MIS MIS DEEDS THAT HAVE NOW BEEN FIXED. I WASN'T EVEN PAYING ATTENTION, BUT I HEARD HUDA AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? SO I THINK IF WE'RE SPLIT FOUR THREE ON SOMETHING, WE REALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PUSH THAT ISSUE BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN YEAH, THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT YOU COULD SAY MAJORITY WINS, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE ARE PRETTY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF. UH, AS A GROUP, THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING. EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR TOP FIVE. WE'LL SAY 'EM, IF WE CAN ALL AGREE ON SOME NUMBER, WE GIVE 'EM TO 'EM. DOES THAT WORK? SO YOU'RE WANTING US TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST OF 69 THAT TM L'S GONNA LOOK AT AND THEN PICK FIVE AND TML IS GONNA BE BE VOTING ON WHAT TO PROCEED WITH RIGHT? ON THE 10TH OF OCTOBER? YES SIR. RIGHT. SO THAT LIST WILL CHANGE SOME AFTER THAT POTENTIALLY. CORRECT. I DON'T MIND GOING THROUGH THE 69. I MEAN THEY'VE GIVEN US EIGHT RIGHT HERE THAT ALL OF THESE LOOK LIKE THEY, I MEAN THEY'VE DONE THE WORK FOR US, RIGHT? THEY'VE, THEY'VE BASICALLY SAID, HERE'S THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP REPEATEDLY WITHIN THE CITY OF HU YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE. CAN'T WE JUST KNOCK THESE OUT NOW AND CALL IT A DAY? WELL, HERE, HERE WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. TAKE THE, WE START WITH THESE EIGHT AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT AND YOU WANNA TAKE THE TIME THEN FROM THE OTHER 69 AND YOU WANT TO BRING UP TO THE COUNCIL NEXT TIME WE ADOPT THESE EIGHT MAYBE TONIGHT. AND THEN IF THERE'S SOMETHING, ANY ADDITIONAL, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COUPLE MORE NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. DID ANYBODY READ ALL 69 NOM? SO I DON'T MIND LOOKING AT THE FIRST EIGHT THAT STAFF PICKED OUT, BUT YEAH, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE NOT KNOCKING YOU GUYS RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH STAFF SIZE. CORRECT. AND ULTIMATELY WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT GOES ON AROUND HERE. I AGREE. I'M SAYING LET'S START WITH THESE EIGHT AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ONES YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, WE ALREADY JUST SAID KIND OF A MAJORITY YOUR COUNCIL WILL AGREE ON ANY OTHER ONES. SO WHY DON'T AT LEAST GO THROUGH THESE EIGHT TONIGHT? OR DO WE DO 'EM ALL TOGETHER WHEN WE HAVE THE OTHER LIST? I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA DO IT TWICE. I MEAN, , OH, LET'S JUST BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK. YEAH. OR TWO WEEKS. WELL, BUT YEAH, WHY DON'T WE BRING IT BACK ON THE 17TH BECAUSE THEN TML WILL HAVE VOTED ON THE 10TH. WELL, THERE YOU GO. AND SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT T ML'S OFFICIAL POSITIONS ARE. OH, OKAY. SECOND MEETING ON EVERYTHING IN OCTOBER. I LIKE THAT. DOES THAT, DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO, TO KINDA GET THAT FROM THEM, DO YOU THINK? OR THE, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MISS OUT ON IS IF THERE WAS, IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE 69 BUT YOU KNEW OF ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE ITEM THAT YOU BELIEVE IS REALLY GOING TO IMPACT HUDU AND YOU WANTED TO PETITION TOT ML TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE WE WOULD MISS THAT. WELL, YOU OKAY. MAYBE THE DEADLINE'S OVER FOR THAT. OKAY. YOU'D HAVE TO SUBMIT A LATE, UM, RESOLUTION AND THAT DOESN'T USUALLY GO OVER VERY WELL. SO THEN IT'S NOT REALLY SUPER TIME CRITICAL. MM-HMM. IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH, RIGHT? WELL, WELL THEY START NO, NO, NO. I MEAN, AS FAR AS DECIDING WHAT WE WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR, IF WE DECIDE BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY. THE SESSIONS, A LOT OF THE LAW AND A LOT OF THE BILLS AND STUFF ARE GETTING FILED NOW PRE THEY, PRE-FILING STARTS IN NOVEMBER. HEARINGS ARE STARTING NOW AND EVERYTHING, WELL, IT'S JUST THE BILLS START GETTING FILED IN NOVEMBER. OKAY. SO THERE'S TYPICALLY A RUSH TO GET, UM, SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BILLS FILED. SO, SO, SO THE 17TH IS A REASONABLE DATE? OCTOBER, YEAH. YEAH, OCTOBER 17TH. OKAY. AND, AND DAVID, COULD YOU BRING BACK THE LIST OF WHAT TML CUTS IT DOWN TO AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS ON THE 10TH? YEAH, AND I'LL SEND IT OUT, UH, VIA EMAIL AS WELL. THANK YOU. MM-HMM, . ALRIGHT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING THEN. WE'RE JUST GONNA WAIT, BRING THIS BACK ON THE 17TH. ALL RIGHT. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. ITEM [14.4. Consideration and possible action relating to Texas Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (TPDES) Wastewater Permit Applications in the City of Hutto Extraterritorial Jurisdiction (Legal)] 14 FOUR CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO TEXAS POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM, D-P-D-E-S WASTEWATER PERMIT APPLICATIONS IN THE CITY OF HU EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. THE, THE ONLY REAL UPDATE I HAVE IS THAT I BELIEVE THE PERLA ESTATES IS, IS ALMOST TO THE POINT OF BEING BEFORE COUNCIL. SO PROBABLY, I THINK SARAH'S NOT HERE, BUT I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT IN OCTOBER AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT IS AVERY LAKE RIGHT THERE. SO GO AHEAD MATT. YEAH, I, I I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. WE MET WITH THEIR ATTORNEY AND THEIR LEE, THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM, I WANNA SAY TWO WEEKS AGO NOW. [05:00:01] AND, UH, THEY HAD MADE SOME EDITS TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE CITY AND I POINTED OUT THAT, UH, THEY HAD CHANGED THE LUE NUMBER FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THEIR SER. AND UH, SO WE TOLD THEM YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW SER TO SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY WE EVEN HAVE CAPACITY FOR THAT NUMBER, THAT NEW NUMBER. THEY JUST SUBMITTED THAT YESTERDAY. AND SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THAT AT THE SAME TIME SARAH'S WORKING WITH THEIR ATTORNEY TO UPDATE ANY OTHER LANGUAGE IN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE GOAL OF BRINGING IT FORWARD TO COUNSEL, I BELIEVE ON EITHER THE THIRD OR AT THE LATEST ON THE 17TH. WELL, GOOD JOB GETTING THAT TO WHERE THAT'S GONNA MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY OVER THAT NECK OF WOODS. IS THAT THE ONE WHERE YOU, YOU ATTENDED THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR WHATEVER? OKAY. PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE KNOW WHERE THREE AND TWO ARE. THAT'S WITH THE, I FORGET THE NAME, BUT THEY'VE GOT LIKE 3000 HOMES THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE FLORA DEVELOPMENT. SO IS THAT THE SAME, THEY'RE PUTTING TWO PACKAGE PLANTS THERE BECAUSE OF FLORA? UH, NO, THEY'RE NOT BOTH FLORA. SO THE NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN ONE IS THE FLORA DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM. THE NUMBER TWO IS, UH, ANOTHER DEVELOPER. CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UH, THAT IS AN, ACTUALLY IT'S A, I THINK THE, IT'S BASICALLY A MOBILE HOME PARK, LIKE A MANUFACTURED HOME MOBILE HOME PARK. AND UM, THEY HAD ALREADY HAD THEIR PACKAGE PLANT APPROVED I THINK BEFORE I EVEN GOT HERE. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN REALLY DO ABOUT THAT ONE. SO PLUS IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT THE PUBLIC LIKE THESE OTHER ONES DO. I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA YET. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE WEREN'T REALLY SCREAMING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. WHEREAS THE PEARL ESTATES ONE IS KIND OF IN THE SMACK MIDDLE OF YOU GOT ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOL, YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF STUFF HAPPENING ON IN THAT WEST SIDE. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT, AND [15. EXECUTIVE SESSION] LOOKS LIKE WE'RE READY FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE ITEM 15 ONE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 51 0.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY RELATED TO THE FOLLOWING, A SECOND AMENDMENT TO RECHARGE WATER SALE AGREEMENT FOR THE WHOLESALE DELIVERY AND SALE OF POTABLE WATER DATED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023 AS AMENDED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT DATED DECEMBER 10TH, 2023 B AMENDED AND RESTATED KOCH FEST AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF HU AND TEXAS MUSIC NETWORK DATED MARCH 4TH, 2021 C INTERVENING IN THE LAWSUIT WILLIAMSON COUNTY VJRS COMPANY INCORPORATED CAUSE NUMBER 24 DASH 0 3 6 9 DASH T FOUR 80 PENDING IN THE 480TH DISTRICT COURT, WILLIAMSON COUNTY AND D HU V BROOKLYN'S ET ALL CALLS NUMBER 23 DASH 1 22 DASH C3 95 PENDING IN THE 395TH DISTRICT COURT OF WILLIAMSON COUNTY, TEXAS. ITEM 15 TWO. RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY AND DELIBERATE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087 DELIBERATION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS RELATING TO A PENDING INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT HP B PENDING INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT JPDC. POSSIBLE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT WELCOME MATT D CLAIMS RELATED TO THE REDESIGN OF THE MEGASITE SPINE ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT E CLAIMS RELATED TO THE FARM LEASE ON THE MEGA SITE AND F PENDING WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, OVERSIZE AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS ALTA EDGE SCHMIDT. AND 15 THREE IN THE BACK OR OUT FRONT YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO IN THE BOX. OKAY, 15 THREE RECEIVED LEGAL ADVICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.074 DELIBERATIONS REGARDING PERSONNEL MATTERS TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT AND EVALUATION REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE AND DISMISSAL OF PUBLIC OFFICER EMPLOYEE CITY MANAGER. THE TIME IS 1205. I AM, I KNOW THEY ARE . ALRIGHT, IT'S 2 24. [16. ACTION RELATIVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. UH, SEE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE 16. ONE CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ABOVE. SO I HAD ONE FOR D 15.1 D, HURO V [05:05:01] BROOKLYN'S. UM, LET'S SEE. I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO RETAIN AN EXPERT TO PREPARE THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THE MEDIATION, UH, FOR THE BROOKLYN'S LAWSUIT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $50,000, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE EXPERT. AND ALLOW THE ATTORNEY JEFF CHAPMAN TO RETAIN THE EXPERT ON OH AND THE CITY'S BEHALF AND ALLOW THE ATTORNEY CHAPMAN TO RETAIN THAT EXPERT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 50,000. SECOND MOTION BY MAYOR PRO TEM GORDON. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR THOMPSON. MAYOR HAS, HAS RANDALL BEEN ABLE TO INDICATE THAT HE CAN HEAR? YES. OH, HE'S BEEN INDICATING. OKAY. SORRY, . ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK AYE. PRO TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. UNDER ITEM C I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR REPRESENTATION BY THE HYDE KELLY LAW FIRM TO INTERVENE IN THE LAWSUIT. WILLIAMSON COUNTY VERSE JRS COMPANY, UM, CAUSE NUMBER 24 DASH 0 3 6 9 DASH T 4 8 0 PENDING IN THE 480TH DISTRICT COURT IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,500. DOES THAT COVER IT? DOTY? MM-HMM. ? YES. MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. OH, SECOND NIGHT. OKAY. DIDN'T KNOW TIME LIMIT. SECONDED BY. IT'S ALSO TWO SOMETHING IN THE MORNING. CAN YOU CALL FOR THE SECOND? SECOND BY MAYOR PROAM GORDON. ANY DISCUSSION OF MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL TO VOTE. HOUSE MEMBER CLARK. AYE. MAYOR PROAM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER LAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON AYE. MAYOR SNYDER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO THERE. ANY OTHERS? UH, 16. TWO. UH, I MEAN FOR 16. ONE. OH. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. 16. TWO CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO A PROPOSED INCENTIVE AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT. WELCOME MATT. I MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN AGREEMENT AS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND QUESTION BY COUNCILMAN CLARK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN COLAR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON AYE. MAYOR SCHNEIDER. AYE. MAYOR PRO TIM GORDON. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER KOLAR AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER THORNTON. AYE. MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. THAT BRINGS [17. CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS ] US TWO ITEMS. 17. ONE GENERAL COMMENTS FROM STATE COUNCIL? UM, I HAVE ONE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC FOR BEING UNDERSTANDING THAT I'VE HAD TO BE UP HERE TAKING CARE OF MY FATHER WHO IS DOUBLE KNEE REPLACEMENT AND, UM, I WILL BE IN PERSON ON THE OCTOBER 3RD MEETING. ALL RIGHT. 17 TWO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS IN LIGHT OF THE, UM, BUDGET AMENDMENT EARLIER TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN AGENDA ITEM COME BACK TO ADD $275,000 TO THE ROAD MAINTENANCE BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR TO FULLY FUND THAT ITEM. UM, IN THE DISTANCE, IS THERE, IS THERE A SECOND? NO, IT'S JUST A FUTURE GEN ITEM. OH, SORRY. FUTURE. YEAH, FUTURE GEN. SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SAY THERE? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A POINT OF INFORMATION. OKAY. THE AMOUNT THAT WE ENDED THE BUDGET IS WHAT WE EXPECTED TO END THE BUDGET, SO THEREFORE THAT WAS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED. OKAY. OKAY. THIS WAS SO WE DON'T HAVE EXTRA, EXTRA MONEY. THIS WAS JUST CATCHING UP TO THAT. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. WITHDRAWN THEN. GREAT. SO BASED ON THAT, I HAVE [05:10:01] A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS FOR THE AMOUNT OF SHORTFALL THAT MAYBE WE COME HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE, UM, ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR MAINTENANCE. SO WE CAN START MAYBE DECOUPLING IT FROM, UM, PROPERTY TAX COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK, WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE. THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. SORRY. ROAD BEING AND STATE IS PART OF THE . OH, FROM ON THE UTILITY BILLS? YES. JUST FOR THE, JUST FROM FALSE, IF WE COULD START DECOUPLING IT FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY TAX RATE. AT LEAST HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE DISCUSSION ACTION ON THE ROAD MAINTENANCE FEE. YES. AND TO SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD WE HAVE TO ADD TO COVER THE 250 MILLION, 850,000 UH, DOLLARS OR UP TO NOT TO EXCEED UP TO MAYBE 500,000. THERE'S SOME SORT OF MATH OR SOMETHING FOR IT. YEAH, THERE'S SOME MATH THAT SIGN THERE. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL GO TO 17 THREE. FUTURE ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS IS ALLOWED BY HU CITY CODE SECTION 1.0, 2.033 ADDITIONAL OR RESCHEDULED MEETINGS. ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE THEN WE'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN AT 2:31 AM ON SEPTEMBER 20TH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.