[Planning and Zoning on December 3, 2024.]
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WE'LL CALL THIS DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
UM, SO FIRST UP WILL BE ROLL CALL.
PRESIDENT COMMISSIONER WORTZ HERE.
AND COMMISSIONER LEE IS ALSO HERE.
UM, THE FIRST UP WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, GO OVER THERE TO THAT COUNTER AND, UH, YOU'LL FILL OUT A FORM IF YOU WANNA MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM THAT IS LATER IN THE EVENING, UM, GO FILL OUT THE SAME FORM AND JUST NOTE THAT ON THE FORM.
AND UH, WE WILL CALL THAT WHENEVER THAT ITEM COMES UP.
SO IF NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE MOMENT, OKAY, UM, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 4.1, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024.
ITEM 4.2, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITION WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PROPOSED LIDO WALKER, PHASE TWO B, FINAL PLAT 8.841 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND ONE AMENITY LOT AND ONE OPEN SPACE.
ITEM 4.3 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PROPOSED LIDO WALKER, PHASE THREE, FINAL PLAT, 62.678 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 192 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THREE OPEN SPACE LOTS, TWO DRAINAGE EASEMENT, OPEN SPACE, AND ONE PARK LOT LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
AND ITEM 4.4 CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
THE PROPOSED LIONEL WALKER, PHASE FOUR, FINAL PLAT, 27.473 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND 139 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE OPEN SPACE.
LOT LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 1 32.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, MOTION OR WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHARAD TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STEWART.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
SO ITEM 5.1, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS TWO 10.
JANICE MAY TO ALLOW AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE SF ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD.
ASHLEY BAILEY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
UH, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS, UM, A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT WAS PLOTTED WITH COUNTRY ESTATE SECTION TWO THAT WAS RECORDED IN 1999.
IT'S BEEN ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SINCE THAT TIME.
UM, AND WITHIN OUR CODE, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AS WELL AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, CAN BE ALLOWED WITH AS LONG AS THERE IS AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE LOT IS JUST OVER THE 7,800 SQUARE FEET THAT'S LISTED THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS SHOWN ON THE PLOT PLAN THAT IS A PART OF YOUR PACKET.
SO SECTION 10.30 6.5 FROM THE UDC, UH, ALLOWS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD THIS REQUEST BE APPROVED.
AND THE PROPOSED PLANS WILL HAVE TO BE REDUCED SLIGHTLY TO MEET THAT SIZE LIMIT OF THAT 33% OF THE MAIN DWELLING.
UM, BUT THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, UM, ORDINANCE.
SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN WE HAVE THE ZONING MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, UM, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE CONDITIONS OF THIS, AND THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS THAT YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ONE ACCESSORY JOING UNIT ON THE LOT AND THE LOT SIZE FOR SINGLE HOUSEHOLD DWELLINGS
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WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCESSORY JOING UNIT AT A DU, UM, MUST BE AT LEAST 7,800 SQUARE FEET.SO THIS LOT DOES COMPLY WITH THAT.
THE ACCESSORY JOING UNIT MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE REAR OF THE MAIN HOUSE OR INCORPORATED INTO A DETACHED GARAGE, UH, WITHOUT ELIMINATION OF THE GARAGE'S PARKING.
A COMPLETE CONVERSION OF A DETACHED GARAGE IS NOT ALLOWED AND THAT IS NOT OCCURRING.
UM, SORRY, JUST THE GARAGE CONVERSION IS NOT OCCURRING AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE FLOOR AREA FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS MUST BE, UH, 400 TO 800 SQUARE FEET OR 400 TO 33% OF THE TOTAL LIVING AREA OF THE HOST STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS SMALLER.
SO THAT IS GOING TO, UH, STILL STAND IF THIS GOES FORWARD.
AND ACCESSORY JOIN UNITS MUST HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE FROM THE OUTDOORS ORIENTED TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE LOT IF THE UNIT IS ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND THE LAST IS THAT RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, MOBILE HOMES AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE PROHIBITED AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN YOU DO HAVE THE PLOT PLAN, WHICH ALSO THEN AGAIN VERIFIES THAT THIS IS OVER THAT 7,800 SQUARE FEET AS REQUIRED.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN JUST A QUICK SCHEMATIC OF WHERE THIS COULD FIT AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE REAR, THEY'RE ALSO STILL MAINTAINING THEIR SETBACKS OFF OF ANY EASEMENTS AND JUST REGULAR, UM, REGULAR SETBACKS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR REAR YARD SETBACK.
SO HERE'S JUST A QUICK MOCKUP.
AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE CODE READS WITH THAT, UM, FOUR TO 800 OR 33% SIZE REQUIREMENT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO MATCH IN WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS ALIGNS WITH THE SOAR 2040, UM, PLAN AS IT INTEGRATES THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, PROMOTING INCREMENTAL AND COMPATIBLE CHANGE RATHER THAN A DISRUPTIVE TRANSFORMATION, PRESERVING THE CULTURE AND CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE STILL INCREASING HOUSING AVAILABILITY AND OPTIONS.
AND A PUBLIC HEARING WAS RESCHEDULED FROM NOVEMBER UNTIL NOW, BUT WE ARE NOT MISSING OUR COUNCIL DATE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED AS DECEMBER 5TH.
SO THIS IS A QUICK TURNAROUND FOR US
UM, BUT WE PRIOR, WE DID RECEIVE TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND THEN ONE IN OPPOSITION.
BUT OTHERS HAVE COME IN, THOSE ARE EITHER ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET OR THEY WERE AT EACH OF YOUR PLACES TODAY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, AS IT SAYS, A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL END SAYING THAT STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT DOES MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS AS SET FORTH BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AT 7:07 PM UM, ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD.
UM, COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK OR SO JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
IS IT, AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE DONE, UM, MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVE NOT FILLED OUT A FORM THAT YOU JUST FILLED.
YEAH, WE DON'T NEED, THEY'VE ALREADY, UM, SUBMITTED ONE.
I GOT TWO SETS OF INSTRUCTIONS.
SO MY NAME IS LARRY KOCH, KOCH.
UH, I OWN PROPERTY JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS TWO 10 PROPERTY.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE, UH, WE BOUGHT IT BACK IN 2003 WHEN SOME, UH, PROPERTIES WERE, UH, BEING UNDER FORECLOSURE.
AND WE HAPPENED TO LIVE IN THE AREA FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
AND WE WERE WELL AWARE OF THIS.
WE DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, ONE OF BUYING THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE LEASED IT EVER SINCE TO SINGLE FAMILIES WITH NO MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN.
WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE MOWED WHEN IT WAS EMPTY, WE REPAIRED IT OR I'M THERE ALL THE TIME TO DO.
MATTER OF FACT, NEXT WEEK I'LL BE GOING THERE TO GET, UH, PEST INSPECTION AND PEST CONTROL.
AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE NOW OCCUPYING THE STREET, INCREASINGLY MORE AND MORE TO THE POINT THAT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN I NEEDED TO TRIM A TREE BY ORDINANCE, UH, THE CAR
SO IT'S, MY STATEMENT HERE IS, I THINK IT'S IN PFLUGERVILLE, I MEAN PFLUGERVILLE TTOS BEST INTEREST BECAUSE THIS WHOLE AREA WAS BEAUTIFUL.
SINGLE FAMILY AREA HOMES WHEN WE HAD IT, THERE WAS OUT QUICK PARKING.
THAT SEEMS TO BE DETERIORATING.
AND MY GUESS IS FROM HAVING LIVED IN THE AREA AND WATCHED IT BECOME POPULATED, TAYLOR PFLUGERVILLE AND TTO SOME OF THOSE AREAS, UH, ATROPHY, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S GOING TO LOWER THEIR VALUE.
PROB MAYBE LOWER YOUR TAXES, OF COURSE YOU CAN RAISE THE TAX RATES, BUT FOR THE REASONS OF AESTHETICS, BASICALLY I OPPOSED TO THIS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, GO AHEAD MA'AM.
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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.UM, MY NAME IS VERONICA STRONG.
I AM THE OWNER NEXT AND ADJACENT TO PROPERTY 18.
JANICE MAY, I ACTUALLY HAD THE HOME BUILT IN 2000 AND MOVED IN IN 2001.
AND WITH GROWTH AND IN EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY HERE IN TEXAS, WE ARE GROWING
WE'RE BURSTING AT THE SEAS BASICALLY.
UM, AND WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, WITH NEW COMPANIES COMING IN, SAMSUNG, TESLA, SO FORTH, WE'RE GONNA BE GROWING EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
I MEAN WE HAVE 2200 STUDENTS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND SO THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE ENORMOUS.
THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE ABUNDANCE.
THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE CARS THERE.
I ACTUALLY KNOW THE NEIGHBORS.
I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, LIKE MY HOME HAS THE LIVING QUARTERS ONLY UPSTAIRS.
IF I HAD MY FATHER LIVING WITH ME AND SOMETIMES HE DOES LIVE WITH ME, I WOULD WANT THAT AN ADJACENT BUILDING FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS NOT MOBILE TO GO UP AND DOWN.
THIS YEAR HE IS AT 88 YEARS OLD.
SO I ACTUALLY DO APPROVE THIS FOR THEM BECAUSE IT IS FOR THEIR PARENTS.
AND SO I WOULD WANT SOME THE SAME CONSIDERATION FOR ME.
UM, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF TWO 10 JANUS MAY.
AND UM, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THIS PERMIT.
UM, I DID WANNA SPEAK ON THE CAR SITUATION.
UM, SO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE MOVING INTO THE HOME IN THE BACK, IF WE ARE APPROVED TO BUILD IT, ARE HIS PARENTS.
UM, SO THE CAR SITUATION WOULDN'T CHANGE IN GENERAL.
HOWEVER, UM, WHAT DID HAPPEN WAS WE COMBINED OUR THINGS AND THEIR THINGS INITIALLY AND WE HAD WAY TOO MUCH SPACE.
UM, JUST THIS PAST WEEKEND WE ACTUALLY FINALLY FINISHED CLEANING EVERYTHING OUTTA THE GARAGE.
AND WE GOT TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE OR DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE FIVE CARS, UM, IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE NOW.
SO, UM, ALL THE CARS IN OUR LOT ARE NOW TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, AND YEAH, THE HOME WOULD BE FOR HIS PARENTS WHO DO ALREADY LIVE WITH US, BUT CAN'T GO UPSTAIRS BECAUSE OF MOBILITY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY.
UM, HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT SEVEN 13 AND OPEN IT TO THE DS FOR DISCUSSION.
I HAVE SOMETHING, ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONS, IT SAYS THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA, THIS ONE IS NOT.
WELL AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A SCHEMATIC WHERE THEY SEND IT.
SO IF WE HAVE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THERE ARE WAYS TO ATTACH IT, TO MEET THE COM, MEET THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE KNOW IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT SMALLER ANYWAY, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER DESIGN FEATURES.
IT WAS JUST REALLY TO SHOW THAT YES, THIS LOT CAN ACTUALLY OKAY.
CAN HOLD AN A DUI DO HAVE A QUESTION.
THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LIKE A SHED ON THE PROPERTY ONCE THIS IS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR SHEDS? SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SHED BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE A DWELLING.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCESSORY DWELLING.
SO THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
BUT NOT AS THEY, IT'S NOT PRECLUDED TO HAVE ANOTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
BUT AGAIN, I BELIEVE THE CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I BELIEVE IT LIMITS IT TO TWO.
SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS AND ONE OTHER THING.
SO REAL, REAL QUICK RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU SAID, VICE CHAIR BOYER, IF I'M READING BULLET THREE, CORRECT.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED BECAUSE IT SAYS IT MUST BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE OR INCORPORATED INTO A DETACHED GARAGE.
SO THIS IS NOT A DETACHED GARAGE.
IT IS NOT A CURRENT DETACHED GARAGE.
HOWEVER, THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THEY CANNOT CREATE AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE IN THAT CASE THEY COULD HAVE BUILT A DETACHED GARAGE AND THEN CONVERTED IT TO A DWELLING UNIT.
THEY'VE JUST, THEY'VE GOT OPTIONS ON THEIR DESIGN.
YOU CANNOT ELIMINATE THE A GARAGE'S.
PARKING SPACES, PARKING, WHICH, WHICH IS WHERE I, WHERE MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE.
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SINGLE BAY GARAGE THERE, THERE IS NOT BUILT AS PART OF THIS A DU MM-HMM.IT COULD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS I THINK WITHIN WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES, THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, YOU CAN ATTACH THAT IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS WHERE IT'S STILL SEPARATE.
SO IT'S, IT'S STILL FUNCTIONS ESSENTIALLY AS TWO SEPARATE, UM, UNITS.
SO WOULD THAT THEN TAKE A PART OF THAT 400 TO 800 SQUARE FEET? ONLY IF IT'S LIVABLE.
IF IT WAS LIKE A COVERED WALKWAY OR SOMETHING, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT.
AND, AND IF IT WAS IN TOTALLY IN THE BACKYARD, YOU COULD STILL ILLUMINATE IT? OH YEAH.
YOU COULD STILL WHAT? ILLUMINATE IT? YEAH.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS, WE WERE SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T ELIMINATE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING.
NO, I THINK IT WAS ELIMINATE THE GARAGE.
ELIMINATE, NOT ELIMINATE, ELIMINATE THE GARAGE.
ELIMINATE MY HEARING AIDS AT HOME.
I RESPOND TO ACTUALLY, SO IT'S FINE.
IS THERE ANY RESTRAINTS ON HOW HIGH THE STRUCTURE CAN BE BUILT? YES, IT'S IN THE CODE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE, UM, MAIN STRUCTURE ITSELF.
SO IF IT WAS, SO IF IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE, IT COULD BE A TWO STORY.
YOU, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IF YOU WOULD INCORPORATE IT INTO A GARAGE, IT WOULD EITHER BE ADJACENT OR ABOVE.
AND ON, UM, THIS, THAT 3 0 6 STUFF, 5.3, THE FOURTH ONE DOWN ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT WOULD COME UNDER THE, IT COULDN'T EXCEED 33% OF THE, THE EXISTING HOME.
AND UM, I HAVE THAT ON SMALLER.
WHICHEVER IS SMALLER, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IN THIS CASE, YEAH, THE 33% WOULD BE SMALLER IS WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS 2162 PER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THAT WOULD LIMIT IT AT LITTLE UNDER 6, 761 SQUARE FEET.
SO JUST MAKING THAT AWARE THAT WOULDN'T WANNA PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO AN ARCHITECT AT 800 SQUARE FOOT OR MAYBE ALREADY.
I THINK MAYBE YOU HAD, BUT, BUT THAT LIMIT IS LIMITED.
THAT MAXIMUM WOULD BE 7 61, NOT 800 WHICHEVER'S SMALLER.
SO A QUESTION, UM, TO MS. BAILEY, UM, AS WE'RE RELOOKING THE, UH, UDC AND REWRITING SOME OF THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT HASN'T ALL TAKEN EFFECT YET.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
DID WE LOOK AT THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FOR CHANGES FOR THAT? UM, YES.
AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ITEMS COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE THAT NARROWLY FAILED AT THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT ADUS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED BY W RIGHT.
PREEMPTED BY ALL ORDINANCES, UM, AND DEED RESTRICTIONS AND ANY CCRS FOR ANY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY W RIGHT.
WITH NO ADDITIONAL PARKING, IT'S GONNA BE FINE STATE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE, UH, ADDRESSING IT IN THIS UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
YEAH, WE, I BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY BEEN FILED.
THAT WILL BE A PROBABLY A THING.
I WAS JUST CHECKING BECAUSE TO ME IT SEEMS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE THAT IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO, AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE UDC THAT WE SHOULD BE COMING OUT WITH IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, HOPEFULLY FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THE REST BEFORE, UM, Y'ALL HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH, I MEAN, NOT A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH IT, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE THAT.
BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT FORMALLY, UM, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT WE TRIED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF NOT A GUESSING GAME.
IT'S MORE OF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD WANT INSTEAD OF WELL, YOU HAVE ALL THESE BIG PARAMETERS AND FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU WANT THAN LEAVE ALL OF THE GRAY AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS ON, BUT THEN ALSO TRIED TO MAKE IT SO THINKING WHAT WAS IN THE LAST BILL THAT MAYBE WE WOULD STILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
I WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ORDINANCES IF IT GOES THROUGH AS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, PARAMETERS ON IT REGARDING THE, THE UDC, MAYBE A FIRE CODE IF IT IS ATTACHED.
I ASSUME YOU WANT AT LEAST ONE EXIT TO EXIT INTO THE YARD FOR SAFETY, BUT CAN, YOU CAN HAVE IT CONNECTING THROUGH A DOORWAY TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON THAT.
YOU COULD BY THE FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE OR YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A COVERED WALKWAY OVER TO IT JUST SO IT'S AN ALL WEATHER.
I MEAN TYPICALLY YOU WOULD JUST ROCK IT TWICE.
YOU WOULD, UM, DO TWO SETS OF SHEET ROCK, NOT JUST ONE.
AND THAT USUALLY GIVES YOU THE HOUR FIREWALL.
UH, QUICK QUESTION ON AS FAR AS THE FIRE CODE GOES, IT NEEDS TO MEET ALL THE FIRE CODE FOR A STANDARD BUILDING AS FAR AS WINDOWS AND BEDROOMS
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AND SO ON SO FORTH.YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE INGRESS EGRESS REQUIREMENTS.
EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, EVEN IF THIS IS THE SUP IS APPROVED, WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, SO IT WOULD STILL GET THE FULL PLANS EXAMINER REVIEW ON THAT AND THEN KIND OF DOVETAILING ONTO THAT.
AND AS FAR AS THE ENTRANCE GOES, THE, THE, UH, SCHEMATIC I GUESS OF THE A DU SHOWS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A ENTRANCE INTO A KITCHEN AREA AND ENTRANCE INTO THE LIVING ROOM, WOULD IT STILL HAVE TWO ENTRANCES? IT COULD.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO, BUT IT COULD HAVE TWO.
ON THE FIRE CODE IT'S TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NEED TWO.
IF IT'S LESS THAN HALF OF THE, I THINK THE DIAGONAL DISTANCE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT THE MOST WELL VERSED ON THE FIRE.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR MOST SUBDIVISIONS.
I THINK IT'S THE SAME FOR MOST HOMES AS WELL AS THAT YOU SPREAD THOSE OUT.
SO IF IT MET THE SIZE REQUIREMENT, BUT I COULDN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO.
OBVIOUSLY YES, IT HAS TO HAVE ONE.
I CAN DEFINITIVELY SAY THAT CAN'T CRAWL IN THROUGH WINDOWS.
AT LEAST ONE ENTRANCE CAN'T CRAWL IN THROUGH WINDOWS.
WHAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM JUST ADDING ONTO THEIR HOME? PUT THE 800 OR WHATEVER, 700 SOME ODD SQUARE FOOT ONTO THEIR HOME, ATTACHING IT TO THE BACK OF THE HOME.
WOULD THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO THAT? THEY WOULD NOT.
THEY ENCLOSE OR THEY BUILD ON AND THEY BUILD ADDITIONS AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN SU FOR THIS.
THE ONLY REASON THAT THE SUP IS REQUIRED IS BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A DETACHED, UM, TO WHERE TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE ADDING ONTO THE HOME, EVERYBODY IS IN ENTERING THROUGH THE HOME.
AND THIS WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE EXIT SO THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY AND, UM, AUTONOMY WITHIN THAT MAIN STRUCTURE.
ARE, UH, TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT ARE, ARE YOU TOTALLY AGAINST JUST ADDING ONTO THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF DOING THE SPECIAL PERMIT REAL ESTATE WAY? THE HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD, UM, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, FEEL INDEPENDENT.
IF WE CAN MAKE THAT THE OPTION TO DO, UM, WE'RE NOT AGAINST.
SO JUST, SO JUST TO CLARIFY FROM THE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT TEAM, WE, WITH THIS SUP, IF WE APPROVE THIS SUP, THEY CAN BUILD THIS AS DETACHED.
WITHOUT THE SUP, THEY WILL HAVE TO REDUCE THE SIZE OBVIOUSLY TO MEET THE 33%.
THEY CAN JUST BUILD IT TO WHATEVER THE UDC, BUT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT A DETACHED.
JUST CLARIFYING, NOT DETACHED.
IF YOU WANT THAT TO BE A CONDITION OF THIS, THAT IT COULD BE DETACHED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD THAT, THE WAY THAT I READ IT IS THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE A COVERED WALKWAY OR SOMETHING.
IT STILL HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR DESIGNS, WELL KEEP IN MIND THAT THE DESIGNS HAVE NOT BEEN THROUGH THE PLAN REVIEW.
IT'S JUST TO SHOW THAT THERE IS ENOUGH, THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE ON THE LOT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE IT FORWARD WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S SPACE FOR IT.
SO IF WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE THE INDEPENDENCE FOR THEIR PARENTS AND EVERYTHING, LIKE THEY SAID, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE MOTION TO SAY THAT IT CAN BE A DETACHED, IT COULD BE A FULLY DETACHED.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY COULD STILL HAVE A DETACHED UNIT, BUT BUT STILL MEET THE OTHER CONDITIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE HOME MY THOUGHT, GIVE THE HOMEOWNER THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE CHOICE OF WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THEIR HOME.
UM, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT HOMES MOVING TO HURO, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH DEVELOPMENT IT WAS, BUT THERE WERE HOMES FOR SALE THAT HAD THE, IN-LAW QUARTERS THAT WERE ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
SO THIS IS NOT LIKE A CRAZY CONCEPT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UM, IN HURO.
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OKAY.WELL, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 5.1 AS PRESENTED WITH, AND YOU CAN WORD THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT, YOU WORD SMITHY PEOPLE, BUT TO
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I WILL SAY THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH ANOTHER SECTION OF THE UDC WHERE IF YOU HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ATTACHED.
SO WE ALLOW IT IN OTHER AREAS SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW IT EVERYWHERE.
BUT THIS, THIS ISN'T IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO NO HOA 'CAUSE IN COUNTRY STATES.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER STEWART TO APPROVE WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE OWNER CAN MAKE THE A DU ATTACHED OR DETACHED AT THEIR DISCRETION, SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR BOYER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? I'M GONNA SAY THIS.
I I, I KIND OF HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PASSING SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE KNEW FOR SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DETACHED OR IF IT'S GONNA BE ATTACHED.
UM, TO ME WE'LL FIND THAT TO ME, JUST TO ME, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH PASSING IT RESPECTFULLY, TONY, WHY? WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE? WELL, BECAUSE I, I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE IT IN YOUR MIND WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK FOR THE AESTHETIC PART OF IT, I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.
BUT PERSONALLY, UH, I DO HAVE, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PASSING SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY.
BUT, BUT WE ARE PROVING THE PERMIT.
AND WE REVIEW THE PLANS, MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO CODE, GIVEN A PERMIT.
PERMIT SHOULD BE FOR EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
THIS WILL COME BACK TO US THOUGH, RIGHT? ONCE THEY HAVE THE PLAN, WELL, WE CAN VOTE ON IT, Y'ALL.
I MEAN, HOWEVER IT GOES IS IT GOES, BUT I JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM VOTING WITHOUT KNOWING A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WELL, I, I AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN ABOUT NOT KNOWING, BUT THE FACT THAT IT IS COMING BACK, THAT WE WILL KNOW AND WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON IT.
AND I GOES BACK TO THE COUNCIL ANYWAY, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE VOTE NOW.
I, I DON'T FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT IT BEING SOMEWHAT OPEN-ENDED FROM THE ACTUAL PLANS, THE BLUEPRINT SIZE OF THE, THE LOT IN THE FACIL IN THE, THE BUILDING.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT COME BACK TO YOU.
WE WILL, IT GOES TO COUNCIL DOESN'T COME BACK TO US, BUT IT WILL GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL CITY, THROUGH THEIR PROCESSES, THEIR BUILDING PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE IT MEETS EVERYTHING.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, UM, SEVERAL MORE STEPS OF REVIEW IF THIS IS APPROVED JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT STAGE AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THEIR INSPECTIONS AND THEN A FINAL CO INSPECTION.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY MOST RESIDENCES HAVE A MINIMUM OF LIKE 17 INSPECTIONS.
SO THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD COME BACK TO US IS IF THEY WANTED TO MODIFY THE SUP.
OR IF IT WAS A YEAR AND THEY HADN'T.
SO IF NO, IF NOTHING IS DONE AND THERE'S NO FORWARD MOVEMENT WITHIN A YEAR OF THE APPROVAL, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO JUST, SO AGAIN, DISCUSSING THE MOTION, UM, I THINK THE, THE WAY IT WAS WORDED CAN WORK WELL BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS GIVING THEM AN ADDITIONAL OPTION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT UDC THAT ALREADY IS LINING UP WITH WHERE THE STATE IS HEADING, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ALREADY HEAD WITH THE UDC REWRITE IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO A MONTH ANYWAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING WITH THE MOTION.
WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING IT ANY MORE EARTH SHATTERING THAN THAT.
UM, MY COMMENT ON THE, ON THE UH, DETACHED PORTION OF THE MOTION, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH A DETACHED A DU THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING OR ANYTHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, OH THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE THEIR OWN SEWER LINE OR SOMETHING SILLY LIKE THAT.
THEY WOULD BOTH HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN THE SEWER'S GONNA HAVE TO
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BE CONNECTED ANYWAY.RIGHT? BUT NOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK UM, DETACHED WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO THEN DEAL WITH AS MUCH FIRE CODE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE MORE THAN A 10 FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY, THEN I WILL CALL THE VOTE ALL.
WAIT, DID WE GET A SECOND? MM-HMM?
OH YEAH, WE DID THE SECOND I'M, THAT'S WHY WE WERE DISCUSSING
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO FOR THE VOTE FOR THE MOTION, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED HU CROSSING PHASE FOUR SECTION 13 LOT THREE BLOCK A REPL 1.502 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND TWO LOTS LOCATED ON CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD.
THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL SO I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT THAT.
BUT THE PROPOSED REPLAT IS A SUBDIVIDE LOT THREE INTO TWO PARCELS WITH THE INTENT FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE ONE AND A HALF ACRE LOT WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS WITH THE SOUTHERN LOT BEING UM, JUST OVER 0.85 OR EIGHT SIX ACRES AND THE NORTHERN LOT BEING 0.67 BASICALLY.
UM, THE OTHER LOT WILL BE AN ABBOTT'S FROZEN YOGURT CUSTARD PLACE THAT WE HAVE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT.
AND THE SITE IS, IS A PART OF THE HU CROSSING PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THIS ONE IS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S UM, BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THAT ACRE, WE DID HAVE A REPL RECENTLY MIGHT BE IN YOUR BRAIN THAT WE HAD TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE SMALLER THAN THE AVERAGE BECAUSE IT IS IN THE PUD.
THAT AVERAGE DOES NOT APPLY IN THIS PUD AREA.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING.
UM, I REALIZE THAT WE DID NOT PUT THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THIS IS ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THE PUD.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL LOTS.
SO IT DOES HAVE SOME SMALLERS, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY THE JUSTIFICATION OF WHY WE ALLOWED IT ON THE OTHER AREAS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE THAT IT WORKS.
UM, SO WITH THAT, IT IS JUST SURROUNDED BY OTHER UH, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL AREAS OVER THERE THAT ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
SO YOU'VE GOT THE TAKE FIVE, UM, IS VACANT AND YOU ALSO HAVE MCALLISTER'S DELI THAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE ONLINE AT SOME POINT.
AND ON THE EAST, LISTEN, WE'RE SPEAKING THAT INTO EXISTENCE.
AND ON THE EAST SIDE IT IS UM, CHRIS KELLY BOULEVARD AND HUDU HIGH SCHOOL.
SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TWO PAGES.
IT'S JUST UM, HERE THREE A AND THEN THREE B ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, JUST SEPARATING THAT INTO TWO LOTS.
SO THEY CAN HAVE TWO SEPARATE OWNERSHIP LOTS OVER THERE.
AND WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AS REQUIRED BY THE UDC, UM, WERE NOTIFIED.
THE APPLICANT DID WAIVE HOUSE BILL 31 67 OR THAT SHOT CLOCK BILL.
AND WE REVIEWED ALL OF STAFF, REVIEWED THE RELA, UM, TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH OUR CODES AND REQUIREMENTS AND DETERMINED THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS PRESENTED.
SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:33 PM IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEEING, HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:34 PM AND OPEN AT TWO.
MM-HMM
UM, THAT WAS DONE WITH PART, ESSENTIALLY PART OF THE MASTER PLAN OF THAT WHOLE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
SO THEY WILL NOT, THEY SHOULD NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS.
I BELIEVE THE CLOSEST ACCESS IS CHRIS KELLY.
THERE'S A FULL SHARED DRIVE THAT RUNS THE LENGTH BEHIND AND I THINK THERE'S ONE ACCESS OVER BY TAKE FIVE OFF OF CHRIS KELLY.
I WANNA SAY MM-HMM?
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP, THEY ARE NOT APPROVED ALONG THAT WHOLE SECTION TO HAVE ANY OTHER CHRIS KELLY ACCESS.
NO, IT SHOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRIVEWAY SPACING.
YEAH, I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
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WHEN I DROVE BY THERE TODAY TO LOOK, IT LOOKS OR APPEARS THAT LOT THREE B, THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING BEING BUILT.SO WE WOULD ALLOW THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, IF IT'S GOING THROUGH A REPL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PLOTTED LOT.
THEY ALREADY HAD BUILDING PERMITS, THEY'RE JUST DOING THIS.
IT'S JUST AN OWNERSHIP LINE ESSENTIALLY.
UM, SO THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP UP WITH THEM ON THEIR SCHEDULE AND IF THIS GOES THROUGH THEN THEY'RE FINE.
IF NOT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONDO AND THEY CAN SEPARATE THE OWNERSHIP IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE 5.2 AS PRESENTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HUDSON TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WETZ.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE I WILL CALL THE VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, MOTION PASSES.
SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 5.3, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
1660 SOUTH HU LOT ONE A REPL, 1.331 ACRES, MORE OR LESS OF LAND ONE LOT LOCATED ON FM 1660 SOUTH.
OKAY, SO THIS RE PLAT IS JUST TO COMBINE TWO LOTS INTO ONE.
UM, FOR WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS CALLED THE HU GROCERY STORE, IT IS THE UM, GAS STATION ALONG 1660 SOUTH.
UM, SO THIS REPL IS NECESSARY FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
THEY EXTENDED THEIR PARKING LOT INTO THE ADJACENT LOT AND SO THEY HAVE TO RECTIFY THAT.
UM, SO THE LOT WILL BE JUST OVER ONE AND A THIRD ACRES.
SO SURROUNDING THIS YOU'VE GOT LEGENDS OF HU WHICH IS ALL EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN SOUTH YOU HAVE LIFEPOINT FELLOWSHIP CHURCH.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS 1660 SOUTH YOU ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE UM, THE SCHEMATIC.
THIS IS JUST SOUTH OF RICHARD'S DRIVE AND AGAIN, THEY'RE JUST REMOVING THAT LOT LINE THAT YOU SEE ON THE NORTHERN THIRD OF THE PROPOSED UM, SCHEMATIC.
SO WITH THAT THEY DID WAIVE THE SHOT CLOCK BILL.
EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET WAS NOTIFIED.
WE GOT NO RESPONSES AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THOSE TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE UDC AND OUR OTHER STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED.
UM, WE WILL OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:38 PM IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEEING AND HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 38 AND OPEN IT TO DISCUSSION.
WHY DO WE CALL IT THE HUDDLE GROCERY STORE? THAT NAME SOUNDS SO DECEIVING.
IF IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE,
GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE ORIGINAL APPLICATIONS LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE.
YEAH, I THINK IN 2008 WHEN I WAS HERE I WAS ASKED WAS THE GROCERY STORE AND THEY HAD PROBABLY A COUPLE DOZEN ITEMS. YEAH.
YOU KNOW, A FRESH PRODUCE, THEY REALLY, THEY WERE ONE OF THE FIRST.
SO I MEAN IT IS A, I NOT SAID ANYTHING, IT IS A PRETTY DECENT CORNER STORE.
I FEEL LIKE THE NAME IS INCREDIBLY DECEIVING.
SO I WAS, I WAS IMPRESSED OR NOT IMPRESSED UNTIL I WANTED TO MAKE SOME GUACAMOLE SALAD AND THEY HAD AVOCADOS.
THAT'S GREAT ACTUALLY I WISH THEY STILL DID.
SO THIS WILL SATISFY THE PLATING PORTION WHEN THEY UM, EXTENDED THEIR PARKING LOT WITHOUT PERMITS INTO THE ADJACENT LOT, THEN WE HAD SOME ISSUES.
SO THEY WOULD STILL, THIS IS PART OF THAT SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO BRING THE LOT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, SO IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THEN RECORDED, THEN WE WILL HAVE A SINGLE LOT.
SO AT LEAST IT CLEARS THAT COMMENT ON THE SITE PLAN AND THEY HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
BUT YEAH, THIS IS A VERY BIG STEP INTO GETTING COMPLIANCE.
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OKAY.HEARING NOTHING ELSE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 5.3 AS WRITTEN.
UM, I HEARD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WORTZ AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BOYER TO APPROVE ITEM 5.3 AS WRITTEN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE I WILL CALL FOR VOTE.
AND MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ARE ALWAYS EXHILARATING.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR REPORT
IT WAS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THAT AND IT'S ALWAYS, I'M GONNA LET YOU GUYS DOWN TONIGHT.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOR YOU IS TO REMIND YOU, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE IN THIS NO MAN'S LAND TIME BETWEEN TWO MAJOR HOLIDAYS THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, MORE HOLIDAYS UPCOMING AND THEN OUR NEXT P AND Z MEETING WILL BE ON JANUARY 7TH.
SO I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE WONDERFULLY, HOPEFULLY HAPPY AND GLORIOUSLY OUT OF THE OFFICE AS LONG AS UM, WE'VE GOT THE HOLIDAYS OCCURRING.
BUT WE WILL BE SENDING OUT SOME CORRESPONDENCE SO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE IT WILL BE DURING THE HOLIDAY, UM, HOLIDAYS THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT THAT NEXT PACKET.
SO, UM, BUT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WILL CHECK WITH IT, UM, IN THE MORNING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOURS.
I'LL TALK TO MAYBE FORWARD THE EMAIL TO YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, SEE WHAT THE, THE IP ADDRESS WAS SENT TO.
YEAH, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE THE, UM, HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING ON JANUARY 7TH.
WITH THAT SAID, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO HAND THE FLOOR OVER TO RICK, UM, OR SORRY COMMISSIONER HUDSON SO THAT HE CAN GIVE A UM, QUICK JUST BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR MOST RECENT CONFERENCE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ATTEND, UM, IN ALLEN, WHICH WAS THE STATE CONFERENCE THIS YEAR.
AND SO HE'S GOT SOME HANDOUTS JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME THINGS THAT HE WAS ABLE TO COLLECT AND JUST REALLY, UM, REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TRAINING.
AND WE WILL, WE DID JUST FIND OUT DATES FOR OUR NEXT CONFERENCE BECAUSE IT WILL BE IN COLLEGE STATION.
LET ME PULL THAT UP 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY JUST CAME OUT YESTERDAY.
AND JUST SO EVERYBODY HAS THAT ON THEIR RADAR, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BE POTENTIALLY, UM, TEXAS A PA SHOULD BE OCTOBER 22ND THROUGH IT LOOKS LIKE POSSIBLY THE 25TH, BUT THEY ONLY GAVE US TILL THE 24TH.
WE KNOW THAT THIS LAST TIME IT WAS THROUGH LATE ON THE 24TH.
SO IF PEOPLE WANTED TO STAY ON FRIDAY NIGHT, IT MADE SENSE.
I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE THE SAME MOVING FORWARD, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A MUCH MORE DRIVABLE DISTANCE IF YOU STAY ALL DAY FRIDAY AND COME HOME.
SO, UM, JUST KEEP THAT ON YOUR RADAR.
WE WILL BE GIVING MORE INFORMATION.
WE ARE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON VERY SOON, SO I WILL BE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO HAVE COMMISSIONERS CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
SO WITH THAT RICK, YOU'VE GOT LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, SO UH, EVERYONE'S GOT A DIFFERENT FOLDER.
THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I COLLECTED THROUGH THAT AND I'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE A PA TEXAS 2024 REPORT.
UH, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WAS CONDUCTED WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16TH THROUGH FRIDAY, OCTOBER 18TH IN ALLEN, TEXAS.
OKAY, WEDNESDAY WAS DRIVE UP TO ALLEN, CHECK INTO THE HOTEL AFTER BEST WESTERN FIGURED OUT I REALLY DID HAVE A RE RESERVATION CHECK IN AT THE CONVENTION, THEN PERUSE THE SPONSOR BOOTHS AND DISCUSS WHAT EACH COULD POTENTIALLY OFFER TO HUDDLE.
EACH OF THE SPONSORS MENTIONED BELOW INCLUDES A TAKEAWAY PACKET SO YOU GUYS ALL HAVE ONE.
UH, THERE WERE NO BREAKOUT SESSIONS ON WEDNESDAY, JUST WORKSHOP OPTIONS WITH AN ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED.
SO I DIDN'T ATTEND
BARRY DUNN WAS ONE OF SEVERAL PLANNING CONSULTANTS INCLUDED AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A CONSULTANT THAT IS NOT KIMLEY HORN OR FREEZE NICHOLS WAS PUTTING FORWARD.
UH, GENERAL CODE ALREADY HOSTS HURO GIS DATA ON E CODE 360 AND THEIR ADDITIONAL GIS OPTIONS COULD BE A MEANS TO INCREASE CITIZEN INTERACTION AND UNDERSTANDING OF GIS AS WELL AS REDUCE STAFF WORKLOADS REGARDING MAPPING BOUNDARIES AND GIS MM-HMM
SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CRITICAL IN THE COTTONWOOD PROJECT AND IN DOWNTOWN INFILL CONCEPTS.
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HALL STOOD OUT AS A POTENTIAL CONSULTANT FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN OF PARKS AND TRAILS.SO I WASN'T JUST LOOKING P AND Z AND HDR WAS THE ONLY CONSULTANT PRESENT WITH A FOCUS ON TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ABOUT WHICH I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE MORE BREAKOUT SESSIONS.
THE RECEPTION WAS WEDNESDAY EVENING WHERE I SPENT MUCH OF MY TIME IN DISCUSSION WITH VARIOUS CONSULTANTS AND A LEANDER COMMISSIONER WHOSE NAME ESCAPES ME.
UH, REGARDING A WIDE RANGE OF SUBJECTS INCLUDING INTEGRATED SU SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE INTO DESIGNS, LIFECYCLE OF INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENTS, CONNECTIVITY OF TRAILS AND BIKING OPTIONS, CONNECTING VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN WILLIAMSON COUNTY.
THAT WAS MAINLY THE LEANERS COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER'S FOCUS.
THURSDAY HAD FIVE BREAKOUT SESSIONS EACH WITH ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT SUBJECTS PLUS AN A PA TEXAS AWARDS LUNCHEON,
SOME SESSIONS HAD MULTIPLE SUBJECTS OF INTEREST, BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE OF ME AND THE SUBJECTS DID NOT GET REPEATED.
ADDITIONAL ATTENDEES WOULD'VE BEEN BENEFICIAL IN THIS SITUATION.
ALLOWING FOR COMPARING OF NOTES AND ADDITIONAL COLLABORATION GOING SOLO WAS OKAY.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THREE OF US THAT WENT JUST TWO.
AND THEN WE HAD A LAST MINUTE CANCELLATION JUST WITH IT HAPPENS.
I MEAN I'VE HAD TO PULL OUT THE LAST MINUTE TOO FROM CONFERENCES.
UM, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET THE SAME FUNDING JUST THAT WE CAN TRY TO TAKE, 'CAUSE I DO LIKE TO TAKE MY STAFF, I HAVE TO HAVE CERTIFICATION MAINTENANCE CREDITS, SO I HAVE TO GO UM, AND RECEIVE THOSE.
BUT IT IS, UM, IT IS REALLY BENEFICIAL.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF JUST CAMARADERIE THAT HAPPENS AND THERE'S A LOT OF, IT'S A LOT OF QUESTION ANSWERS.
I KNOW THAT RICK AND I WERE IN A SESSION TOGETHER, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO, UH, SESSION ONE ON THURSDAY WAS ROADS VERSUS STREETS WITH THE GEORGETOWN TRANSPORTATION PLANNER.
NATHANIEL WAGONER, SORRY, I'M GONNA DO SOME NAME DROPPING.
UH, IT COVERED A COMPARISON OF ASPHALT VERSUS CONCRETE IN STREET DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND THE MULTITUDE OF CHALLENGES WHEN TURNING AN FM OR RM OR COUNTY ROAD INTO A CITY STREET THAT'S RELEVANT TO SEVERAL ROADS IN HU.
SO THIS, BUT THIS WAS STILL MORE ABOUT DESIGN AND PLANNING THAN CONSTRUCTION, THOUGH THAT CONSTRUCTION INFORMATION WAS INFORMATIVE AND HELPFUL.
SESSION TWO WAS ACTIVATING DOWNTOWN SPACES WITH GARLAND PLANNING DIRECTOR ANGELA SELF.
UH, THAT COVERED LESSONS AND EXAMPLES OF UPGRADING AND ACTIVATING UNDERUSED DOWNTOWN SPACES, INCLUDING PARKING AND HISTORICAL DESIGNATION CHALLENGES ALSO SHOWCASED HOW TO, HOW TRANSPORTATION AND EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WAS INCORPORATED INTO DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.
SESSION THREE WAS PLANNING POWER REVOLUTION WITH AUSTIN MOBILITY OFFICER IC BO BODETT.
DISCUSSION OF THE CHALLENGES AND LESSONS LEARNED WITH MOVING PARKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FORWARD AGAINST CHALLENGES SUCH AS MISINFORMATION, SOCIAL MEDIA TROLLS AND COMMUNICATIONS OBSTACLES.
EXAMPLES INCLUDED ZILKER PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE CITY CODES CODE NEXT, IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT.
AND YES, ASHLEY WAS THERE WITH ME ON THAT ONE.
THIS WAS A DISAPPOINTMENT AS I WAS HOPING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT MAKING USE OF UN OR UNDERUTILIZED SPACES IN BUILT UP AREAS.
INSTEAD THE DISCUSSION WAS HOW TO EMPOWER POC OWNED COTTAGE BUSINESSES IN WHAT ESSENTIALLY DUPLICATED A FARMER'S MARKET IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT SOUTH DALLAS AND IT'S LIKE THAT'S GREAT.
THERE'S MORE THAN SOUTH DALLAS OUT HERE.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS KIND OF HIPPIE DIPPY, BUT WHATEVER WITH SAN MARCOS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, ANDREA VILLALOBOS, A WIDE ARRAY OF INEXPENSIVE IDEAS MOST UTILIZING JUST PAINT TO ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO VISIT AND USE SPACES FROM, FROM MURALS AND EDISON LIGHTS TO SIDEWALK SPACE AND TEMPORARY PEDESTRIAN
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PATHWAYS IN DOWNTOWN.THIS ALSO INCLUDED WAYS TO ENCOURAGE VISITORS TO LINGER IN AREAS BOTH IN COOPERATION WITH AND INDEPENDENT OF COMMERCIAL DRAWS IN THE AREA.
THEY HAD AN ALLEY, THEY PAINTED IT UP IN VIBRANT COLORS, THEY THREW A FEW UMBRELLA STANDS AND SOME EDISON LIGHTS AND TURNED IT INTO AN OUTDOOR EATING SPACE.
SOME MEDICINE LIGHTS PROBABLY TOOK UP $500.
FRIDAY'S BREAKOUT SESSIONS WERE MORE LIGHTLY ATTENDED THAN THURSDAYS AND THERE WERE FEWER SUBJECTS THAN PREVIOUS SESSIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST SESSION RAN FROM 3 45 TO 4 45 AND HAD ONLY THREE SUBJECTS AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER, THE MORNING SESSIONS WERE JUST AS DIVERSE AS THURSDAY.
SESSION ONE WAS PASS THE CHIPS SKIPPED AGAIN, SORRY.
UH, PASS THE CHIPS WITH TAYLOR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TOM TIS DISCUSSION OF THE CHALLENGES AND LESSONS LEARNED IN THE EXPANSION OF THE TEXAS INSTRUMENT CAMPUSES AND FACILITIES IN SHERMAN, TEXAS AND THE SAMSUNG FACILITY IN TAYLOR.
DISCUSSION WENT BEYOND THE CAMPUSES THEMSELVES AND INCLUDED HOW THE CITIES HAVE HAD TO ADJUST PLANS FOR TRANSPORTATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOUSING AND CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS.
AND SESSION TWO WAS PERSPECTIVES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION WITH LAPORTE PUBLIC WORKS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR JAMESON, APPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN A REH OF HOW THE C PROCESS, CIP PROCESS WORKS THAN ANY REVELATIONS OR INSIGHTS ON HOW TO IMPROVE OUR OWN CIP PROCESS.
NOT AS BAD AS THE SOUTH DALLAS ONE
AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, THESE BREAKOUT SESSIONS ARE OVERALL QUITE GOOD AND ALLOW COMMISSIONERS TO LEARN FROM OTHERS.
I BELIEVE THESE REFERENCES, EXAMPLES AND LESSONS CAN BE APPLIED TO OUR OWN WORK IN HURO.
HOPEFULLY ALLOWING CONCEPTS TO BE EXPLORED WITHOUT LARGE FINANCIAL EXPENDITURES, LENGTHY DELAYS OR COMMUNITY PUSHBACK.
ONE SESSION WAS LESS INFORMATIVE THAN I WANTED AND A SECOND WAS APPROPRIATE FOR NEWER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT ALL EXPERIENCE LEVELS CAN LEARN FROM THESE SESSIONS AND BRING THE LESSONS LEARNED BACK TO BENEFIT HURO.
AND THEN IN FULL DISCLOSURE, 'CAUSE RICK DID POINT AT ME, UM, MY MOM WON THE TEXAS LEGEND AWARD FOR HER 40 PLUS YEARS IN PLANNING.
SHE DID NOT KNOW, BUT I WAS LIKE, HEY EVERYBODY, JUST KEEP HER AT THE TABLE.
IT WAS THE WORST THING TRYING TO, SHE WOULD GHOST ME.
UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, HER ROLE ON THE A PA BOARD HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT AND SHE'S GOING TO BE MORE IN CONTROL OR IN CHARGE OF THE COMMISSIONER TRAINING.
SO, UM, I AM USING MY FAVORITE YOUNGEST DAUGHTER STATUS AND TRYING TO GET SOME, UM, TRAINING MATERIALS AND OTHER THINGS BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE BREAKOUT SESSIONS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TRACKS WHERE YOU CAN GO.
SO WHEN YOU DO GO, YOU CAN JUST STICK TO JUST THE COMMISSIONER TRACK OR YOU CAN BOUNCE AROUND AND UM, IT'S ONE THING THAT I WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
I WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE IN PERSON JUST BECAUSE SHE REPRESENTS THE BOARD FOR A PA.
UM, AND THEN SHE WAS RECENTLY NAMED AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER OUT TOWARDS WEST TEXAS.
UM, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THROUGH NEXT SUMMER.
BUT UM, WITH THAT SAID, I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR YOU JUST, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF CREATE LIKE A TRAINING BOOKLET WHEN ANYBODY COMES ON.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON.
ALSO, ARE ANY OF THESE AVAILABLE FROM THIS, UH, THIS CONFERENCE SPONSOR THAT ARE WEBINARS OR ANY I'M GONNA CHECK INTO THAT.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME ON THE PASSPORT SIDE, UM, FOR YOU.
MOST OF THOSE ARE FROM THE NATIONAL LEVEL, NOT FROM THE STATE LEVEL.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT LIKE, WELL WHAT ARE OTHER PLACES DOING? IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY? DO WE HAVE MORE HANDOUTS OR EVEN JUST THE SLIDES? JUST BECAUSE MM-HMM.
WE EVEN JUST THANK YOU SOME POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE TALKING TO HER 'CAUSE YEAH, NOW THAT I'VE GOT AN IN AND I, I KNOW WHO TO GO TALK TO.
SO WITH THAT, THEY'LL HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY SEASON.
I HOPE THAT I DON'T JUST SEE YOU IN THE NEXT NEW YEAR.
I HOPE THAT WE HAVE GOT SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS COMING UP.
UM, AND I KNOW WE HAVE COUNCIL ON THURSDAY AND WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
AND ONE OF THOSE I BELIEVE IS TO DISCUSS KIND OF SOME OF THE REALLY COOL THINGS THAT P AND Z HAS DONE.
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I BELIEVE IS THE HOLIDAY BANQUET.YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL ALSO RECEIVED THAT INVITATION.
IT'LL BE, IT'S A GIN BUILDING.
IT UM, IT'S FINISHED SO IT'LL BE ABLE TO BE OPEN.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE ON FRIDAY THE SIXTH AT THE GIN BUILDING.
I DIDN'T SEE IF THERE WAS AN RSVP ON THAT.
I THINK THEY JUST PLANNED FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S FOR PREVIOUS YEAR MEMBERS? OH YEAH.
OH HONEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL CITY.
YOU'RE OKAY
JUST SHOW UP WITH MY PLUS ONE.
YEAH, I'LL SAY I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE THERE, BUT I HAVE MY NEXT HALF MARATHON THAT WEEKEND IN SAN ANTONIO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BECAUSE I DO HAVE TO BE OUT OF TOWN.
SO IT DOES SAY, I JUST PULLED IT UP RSVP BY WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 27TH.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T RSVP, ARE THEY GONNA KICK YOU OUT IF YOU SHOW UP? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO FIND THAT EMAIL AND THEN JUST UM, SEND BACK THAT.
PLEASE DO THAT DIDN'T GET, OKAY.
LEMME MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY ASKED FOR EVERYBODY'S EMAILS AND I KNOW YOU WERE ON THAT LIST.
WELL DID GOING TO STAND, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, OKAY, WAIT, WE STILL HAVE TO CLOSE THE MEETING IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S IT AND THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THIS SESSION OF THE HUDDLE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AT 7:56 PM YAY.